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You seem to be using that word wrong. There are still people arguing that the earth is flat, so a recently released study doesn't mean something is indisputable. In this case, if I'm seeing the same study there seem to be a few salient points you glossed over.
1. The study covers the risk of infected people infecting others with the Delta variant within their own households. That's hardly earthshaking news. Within your own household you're around those people throughout your total infectious period, so if you're infected, vaccinated or not, shouldn't make much difference in your own household.
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Studies also indicate that significant loss of brain tissue is a common occurrence for people who have had COVID. Since unvaccinated people are more likely to contract the disease and are more likely to have serious symptoms. Well perhaps you should reconsider your remarks.
Hi JB, which "that word" do you refer to?
They are not "salient points". They are irrelevanat points to the point that I was making. There is a study that demonstrates vaxd are just as tansmissable as unvaxxed. Your first reaction is to dispute its veracity. Ok, then show a study that refutes this conclusion.
You seem to think that the population of the study (households) is in some way not representative of the wide rpopulation. Yet most people live in households. And if it was obvious that everyone on the household would get COVID regardless. Then both sample sizes would show 100% - which they were far from!
Your points 2 and 3 I think are irrelevant to my comment. I said vaxd and unvaxd are equally transmissable. I didn't comment on how long they were infectious of how likely they were to become infected.
As for "loss of brain tissue" - I have not read anything on that at all. Do you have any studies on that? But regardless, that w / be a danger to someone that contractfs COVID. So if the nonvaxd are more at danger to that, then that is a danger yo oneself, as I mentioned in my final comment - "the unvaxd are only an increased danger to themselves" - surely that's their decision. Like drinking alcohol, smoking, taking drugs, crossing the road.
MarquisdeSade1
11-03-21, 17:20
JJBee is smarter than me? The guy who spread Covid across 2 continents and was so stupid that he did not know what he had? He got it, and I did not after being exposed hundreds of times, and he is smarter than me? Uh, okay..Except for this part, that turd knew very well what they had (as did everyone else hopefully including the authorities) because the hospital told her after they tested her after the ambulance brought her there.
But they wanted to go visit some 3rd world putas and knew they wouldn't need proof of a neg test upon arrival.
Peru locked down harder than anywhere and had the highest death rate in the world. With Villany's comment about genetic makeup, I guess the reason was when the virus had a chance to infect a Swede or Peruvian, it went for the Peruvian. Clearly, the Covid virus is racist and I think we need to intentionally infect more white people with Covid to offset this.
Villany, why are you attacking me instead of the WHO? Oh right, because you are a douche!How many times can it be said. Statistics are far more persuasive than random speculation out of the Elvis school of random hunches. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
Sweden 11.5% CoVid cases as a percent of the population.
Peru. 6. 6%. CoVid cases as a percent of the population.
The fact that Peru has more deaths as a percentage of population than Sweden despite having a much lower rate of infection can be attributed to Sweden having a better health care system.
So the vaxd and the unvaxd are equally as likely to pass the virus on to any vulnerable / imuno-compromised person.No, the study did not look at or compare the rates of transmission by vaxxed vs unvaxxed. If you really think it did, then pull out a quote from it. I read the whole thing. But then, I'm unbiased.
Mr Enternational
11-03-21, 19:22
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/business_law/publications/blt/2020/04/border-searches/
As requested, nipped in the bus. This is about searches at the US border, which are allowed if the officerBrother J, sometimes you write the longest unnecessary stuff. Me and my girl went to Exito yesterday where I bought a set of 2 9-cube silicone ice trays to keep in my luggage so I can make ice when I am staying in these airbnbs from now on. The price was 20,000 pesos, but when I checked out at the register it said 10,000 pesos and on the receipt it said 50% discount for "bolita verde."
Walking out of the store me and my girl started to debate what bolita verde was. Then I said fuck that. Let's just go back in here and do the simple thing: ASK!
Went to the customer service desk and there sat your cousin. I handed him the receipt and asked what bolita verde was. Well he wanted to see the item so I took it out of my gymsac and handed it to him. He went to punching all kind of stuff into the computer and giving us the history of Exito, how many employees were at that particular store, about how the security guard's cousin is in the army and so forth. Then, literally after 5 minutes, he finally told me the simple answer to what I had asked. It was a marked down item, but he had no idea why the tag did not specify that.
Once again I remind you that this discussion originally had NOTHING to do with the United States. This started because PolloNegro said that WHEN LEAVING MEDELLIN there is "a big increase in the airlines waiting until you enter into the tunnels headed to the plane and then snatching you aside for a strip search, computer search and a phone search, looking for inappropriate photos."
To which VasyaPetya responded asking "What if you refuse to unlock your phone for them or your laptop? They can't get into either of mine because mine are encrypted so good luck to them. "
So this was NOT about searches in the US. You hijacked it and made it that way, and went all around the world in 1 week in the process.
And finally, how does asking one person at the airport a question about the legality of a search provide a definitive answer? I can spend the next 3 weeks giving examples showing how completely useless that is. That's almost as definitive as asking someone driving a car what's the proper valve lash on a Gen 1 413 hemi with solid rockers.Do you honestly believe that I was an officer in the United States Navy and worked to obtain a masters degree and would not obtain information from a reputable source? You act like I am just going to waltz into the airport and ask the first swinging richard that I pass about searches in the airport. I have enough sense to go directly ask people that would be charged with such searches or to the office that they come from. I have heard of a dumb question P. O. , but you must have been the first dumb response P. O.
Hi JB, which "that word" do you refer to?
They are not "salient points". They are irrelevanat points to the point that I was making. There is a study that demonstrates vaxd are just as tansmissable as unvaxxed. Your first reaction is to dispute its veracity. Ok, then show a study that refutes this conclusion.
You seem to think that the population of the study (households) is in some way not representative of the wide rpopulation. Yet most people live in households. And if it was obvious that everyone on the household would get COVID regardless. Then both sample sizes would show 100% - which they were far from!
Your points 2 and 3 I think are irrelevant to my comment. I said vaxd and unvaxd are equally transmissable. I didn't comment on how long they were infectious of how likely they were to become infected.
As for "loss of brain tissue" - I have not read anything on that at all. Do you have any studies on that? But regardless, that w / be a danger to someone that contractfs COVID. So if the nonvaxd are more at danger to that, then that is a danger yo oneself, as I mentioned in my final comment - "the unvaxd are only an increased danger to themselves" - surely that's their decision. Like drinking alcohol, smoking, taking drugs, crossing the road.The word you used incorrectly was "indisputable. " A study, particularly one which you misrepresented does not make anything "indisputable. " It might lead to a consensus within the appropriate scientific community, but there will still be those who dispute it. I'm somewhat embarrassed for you that I need to point that out again, since my first paragraph made it abundantly clear.
More embarrassment for you is coming. I didn't dispute the study which you mentioned. In fact I quite clearly agreed with the study in my first point. I suppose redundancy is the order of the day, but you failed to understand something which I wrote in simple and clear terms.
I'll go over point 1 again. The study you referred to showed that persons infected with Covid , regardless of vaccination status were equally likely to infect others within their own household. "Within their own household is a critical part of the study, and twice now you've omitted it. I must conclude this was not by accident and your intention is to misrepresent the study.
That is not irrelevant, it's clearly a salient point. Let's try this it like this: If I point out a study which shows following a vegan diet greatly reduces life expectancy, but leave out "if they try to forcibly change the diet of carnivorous animals", I've misrepresented the study, by claiming something the study did not show.
The study you feel compelled to misrepresent does not show vaccinated and unvaccinated people transmit the disease equally and the study clearly states that is not the case.
Yes, I think, actually "know" is the correct word, that within the household is not representative to within the entire population. Perhaps your household and your behavior outside of the household is unique.
If you live with a domestic partner, within your household you probably spend several hours every day sleeping next to them. I'm guess that you don't spend several hours sleeping next to 25% of the people who you see outside of your household. Am I wrong? If I meet you for lunch will we need to go lay down together for 8 hours? That's got to be awkward. "Hi Doc. Here for my annual checkup. Do you want to sleep with me before or after you check my prostate?
If you live with children, depending on their age you probably come within close physical contact with them frequently. You share meals together, sit and watch TV together, work on homework or play games together. How often, while at the grocery store, do you sit down on a couch with the cashier and watch a movie together? I guess that would explain why the cashiers are so slow.
Within the household is not an acceptable analogy for the general population. If you had read beyond the headline you would have seen the study recognized that fact.
No. The transmission rate within all households would not be expected to be 100%. First, not all households are the same. A household with a single parent and 2 late teen children would likely have a lower household transmission rate than a household with 2 parents and 4 children under the age of 5. A household of 3 living in. 6,000 square foot home would likely have a lower household transmission rate than a family of 10 living in an 800 square foot home.
My points 2 and 3 are only irrelevant if you insist that everyone spends 8 hours daily in a bed with a significant number of the people they interact with. I guess I'm going to need a much bigger bed, because according to your belief, I'm supposed to be sleeping for about 8 hours daily with about 10-12 people.
If instead, you had read the study, and can count to 20 without removing your shoes and socks, then point 2 and 3 are also salient. Might as well get those shoes off because we're going to do some basic math.
Assuming person 1 and 2 become contagious on the same day, person 1 is vaccinated, 2 isn't. The contagious period for each is 8 and 10 days respectively. Next, infection depends upon 2 main factors, time and distance. The closer an infected person is to an uninfected person, the greater the chance of infection. The longer time spent in close proximity, the greater the chance of infection. There's an upper limit for each. Once you're close enough and have spent enough time within that distance, the risk of transmission reaches a maximum. For the sake of discussion we'll say 6 inches and 15 minutes is optimum for transmission. Optimum transmission can be reached quicker at less distance, or can require longer exposure at a greater distance. Beyond a certain distance or less than a certain time and transmission rate approaches zero. Did you follow that?
Within your household, if you're infected, you will likely reach optimum transmission rate with some member of your household for every day of your infectious period. Whether that period is 8 or 10 days makes little difference because of the frequency of reaching optimum transmission rate. This is why the study shows, within the household, transmission rate is equal, regardless of vaccination status. Put an infected person in a household, they'll likely infect someone else in the household.
However, not everyone lives in a household and not every household has an infected person. That's where points 2 and 3 come into play.
If I'm vaccinated, the risk of becoming infected is less. That means, if everyone in the household is vaccinated, the risk of anyone in the household is lower than if everyone is unvaccinated. If nobody within the household becomes infected, then the transmission rate within the household remains at 0.
Until someone in the household becomes infected, the study shows nothing. If you have 20 households, 10 vaccinated, 10 not and 3 unvaccinated households end up with someone infected, while only 2 vaccinated households have someone infected we can separate the households into 5 groups.
1. The group of all houses, where unvaccinated households have a greater risk of infection.
2. Vaccinated households, where members have a lower risk of infection, than group 3.
3. Unvaccinated households, where members have a higher risk of infection than group 2.
4. Infected households, where vaccinated and unvaccinated have an equal chance of infection.
5. Uninfected households.
Only when you limit yourself to infected households does vaccine status not matter for infection risk.
It took me less than 30 seconds to find the studies on loss of brain mass. If you're interested in the findings, invest 30 seconds. If instead you are choosing the head in the sand approach, there's no benefit in me leading you to something you're planning to ignore.
Your final statement is clearly false. The examples you gave demonstrate the statement is false. You might as well say "hair is not flammable, just like wood and kerosene are not flammable.
Unvaccinated people are not only a risk to themselves, same with drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking and crossing the road.
1. Drinking alcohol. It's still in the headlines, NFL wide receiver Henry Riggs III was arrested and charged with DWI after he crashed into another car and killed a woman. It's reported he was driving at speeds up to 156 MPH before the accident.
2. Taking drugs. I'm running out of time, but all it takes is reading the news to find examples of drug users committing violent crimes.
3. Smoking. Just search for "cigarette caused fatal Derby house fire. ".
4. Crossing the road. Have you ever seen what happens when someone steps out into the road in front of a 1987 Camaro traveling at a high rate of speed? The driver of the car didn't survive. Every year about 200 people are killed by deer crossing the road.
And finally, unvaccinated people are only a danger to themselves. That would be laughable if it wasn't so macabre.
At the beginning of June an unvaccinated person came into my home. I was vaccinated. He had symptoms, but didn't think it was Covid and he had already stated he wasn't going to get tested. As a result I was infected, even though I was vaccinated. Forget about what I experienced with COVID. My uncovered medical expenses were almost $5,000. The 2 weeks of work I missed, cost me another $4,000.
In addition, there were 3 other people he was in contact with who were hospitalized for Covid symptoms. 1 was vaccinated, 1 wasn't and the third was unknown status. The definitely unvaccinated person died. The others survived.
I'm going out on a limb and assume none of that is going to register with you. Most people either understand it right away, or they figure it out at the funeral.
Brother J, sometimes you write the longest unnecessary stuff. Me and my girl went to Exito yesterday where I bought a set of 2 9-cube silicone ice trays to keep in my luggage so I can make ice when I am staying in these airbnbs from now on. The price was 20,000 pesos, but when I checked out at the register it said 10,000 pesos and on the receipt it said 50% discount for "bolita verde."
Walking out of the store me and my girl started to debate what bolita verde was. Then I said fuck that. Let's just go back in here and do the simple thing: ASK!
Went to the customer service desk and there sat your cousin. I handed him the receipt and asked what bolita verde was. Well he wanted to see the item so I took it out of my gymsac and handed it to him. He went to punching all kind of stuff into the computer and giving us the history of Exito, how many employees were at that particular store, about how the security guard's cousin is in the army and so forth. Then, literally after 5 minutes, he finally told me the simple answer to what I had asked. It was a marked down item, but he had no idea why the tag did not specify that.
Once again I remind you that this discussion originally had NOTHING to do with the United States. This started because PolloNegro said that WHEN LEAVING MEDELLIN there is "a big increase in the airlines waiting until you enter into the tunnels headed to the plane and then snatching you aside for a strip search, computer search and a phone search, looking for inappropriate photos.".I really should write down the responses I expect from people and timestamp them, to show I'm either a prophet or you're completely predictable.
My discussion of what's legal in the US was to illustrate the exact path taken in the exact situation being discussed. I even simplified it for you. This was after, days ago stating that the legality of a search would be something determined by the Colombian courts.
It's like I handed you a dog turd, told you not to eat it, and you munched it down. Then I showed you a dog dropping a deuce explained what dog shit was and next thing you're whipping out a napkin and chowing down.
Should I be using smaller words? I'm trying to figure out why you can't understand something which is so incredibly basic.
If some legal authority in Colombia, or any other country in the world requests you to unlock your phone it's legal at that moment. It remains legal until the action is challenged in that country's courts and a ruling is handed down. Unless the ruling disallows any such searches for any reason, it remains legal, however there may be restrictions. I'm fairly certain that the Colombian courts are not set up at the airports, where they can issue an immediate ruling if someone objects to the search.
That's the way things work. Everywhere. Unless there's something in the Colombian Constitution prohibiting searching cell phones (take a wild guess why that's unlikely, it's related to why the US Constitution fails to mention the internet), any type of search not previously declared illegal by the courts is legal. Any type of search not previously declared illegal by the courts is legal. Any type of search not previously declared illegal by the courts is legal. Do I need to copy and paste 30 more times?
You want to accuse me of hijacking the topic after you lead off with getting stopped by the cops in the DR after picking up a hooker in front of them? Seriously? Let's not forget the mustard packets, pencils and hot sauce. That's, I think the word is, "hypocrisy. ".
I clearly stated that my link of the legality of such searches in the US was to illustrate how the process works. I've restated the process again. Apparently you're on of those officers who would have caused me to scream "How the fuck did someone so fucking clueless ever get commissioned?" That only happened once, although I'm guessing if you'd been in my chain of command it would have been a regular occurrence.
What does having a Master's Degree have to do with it? I spent too much time working with people with PhD's and MS' to think that a piece of sheepskin has any relationship to ability.
Using your Naval Officer experience (Ensign Senior Grade was it?) and your Master's Degree, tell me where in the airport will you find the person responsible for establishing policy for every international airport in Colombia? I'll make it even easier. Where, in which airport in the US will you find the office of the head of DHS? I'll make it even easier. On which US Navy ship will you find the office of the CNO?
I would think a former Naval Officer would have an inherent grasp of this, but apparently you were a slow learner. Rules come from the top down and they seldom come with explanations. So unless you're talking with the person who originated a rule, the chance of getting an explanation is slim to none. When you issued orders did you explain to everyone involved why they were chosen for the task and how everyone else was chosen for the task?
"Helmsman 5° left rudder. Come around to bearing 275. "
"Why are you giving me that order?
"Because you're the Helmsman."
"But why do you want me to turn the rudder 5° to the left?
"Because there is a ship in front of us that we're about to hit."
"But why can't I use 5° right rudder?
"Because. Can someone find out why the starboard lookout is screaming?
Entiendes? If they are searching phones at the Barranquilla airport, you might find someone who will tell you they are searching phones. He might even tell you why. It's unlikely he's going to fall his boss and route you all the way to the top so that the ultimate authority can explain to you the legal justification.
However, if they are not searching phones at the Barranquilla airport, you're just going to find people who can tell you they aren't searching phones. In either case you've learned absolutely nothing definitive.
However, since you erroneously claimed to want to nip it in the bud, go right ahead. I will need the name of the person and their title, including their location. I will also expect a transcript of the entire conversation. While you're at it, names and titles of the people you went through to get to the top. Otherwise, I'm going to assume you're just making shit up. Again.
I see your a proud graduate of the Elvis school of illogic. I said that Sweden has strong genetic similarities with its neighbors Norway, Finland and Denmark.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/
If you are capable of reading a map you will see that Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark are among the most genetically homogenous. In addition they have very similar climatic characteristics and with the exception of Denmark very strong population density similarities as well. This makes them a perfect group to compare and contrast.
Obviously you think that is cherrypicking. I question whether you have ever seen the inside of a math or statistics textbook..This is laughable, around 30% of the population in Sweden are immigrants or children of immigrants while in Finland it's closer to 5%. Good luck finding any Swede to agree with you that Sweden is "genetically homogenous".
The unemployment rate in Sweden is about 10% while it's 3% in Norway.
Sweden is the rape and gang shooting capital of Europe, while Norway and Finland isn't close to stealing that title.
You thinking that all the Nordic countries are more or less the same is simply a result of your ignorance. I apologize for giving you some insight to what's really going in in the Nordics.
I can't help to notice that of the eight "successful" countries that you mentioned six of them are Asian countries and the other two are islands isolated from the rest of the World. Your argument only strengthen my argument that a lockdown isn't a guarantee for anything.
But wtf do I know, maybe France, Italy, Belgium, Spain and Portugal didn't have any lockdowns.
How many times can it be said. Statistics are far more persuasive than random speculation out of the Elvis school of random hunches. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
Sweden 11.5% CoVid cases as a percent of the population.
Peru. 6. 6%. CoVid cases as a percent of the population.
The fact that Peru has more deaths as a percentage of population than Sweden despite having a much lower rate of infection can be attributed to Sweden having a better health care system.Or maybe it's because Sweden have tested more than twice as many per capita than Peru. Who the fuck knows? LMFAO!
The WHO said the only reason for lockdowns was the temporary spread in the delay of cases. Got that douche? Lockdowns do not prevent the spread of Covid. Dr Nabarro made the statements in an interview with The Spectator.
"The only time we believe a lockdown in justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources; protect your health workers who are exhausted," Dr Nabarro said.
"But by and large, we'd rather not do it."https://khn.org/news/fact-check-world-health-organization-did-not-change-its-lockdown-stance-or-admit-president-trump-was-right/
We checked with Nabarro to find out if the clip accurately reflected the points he raised during a nearly 20-minute interview. He responded, by email: "My comments were taken totally out of context. The WHO position is consistent."
To test this premise, we looked at statements by WHO leaders over the course of the pandemic. In the multiple media briefings we reviewed from February onward, the WHO appeared consistent in its messaging about what lockdowns should be deployed for: to give governments time to respond to a high number of COVID-19 cases and get a reprieve for health care workers. Although WHO leaders in February supported the shutting down of the city of Wuhan, China, the presumed source of the COVID-19 outbreak, they have also acknowledged that lockdowns can have serious economic effects, and that robust testing, contact tracing and physical distancing are usually preferable to completely locking down.
So, I guess you forgot to tell the WHO that they changed their position to yours. They never did. They advocate for extensive testing, contact tracing, strong health care options and lockdowns to contain out of control outbreaks.
(Which is why the several countries in SE Asia have done so much better. (I. E. Singapore, Vietnam, Laos, South Korea, Indonesia and a few others Australia, New Zealand and Japan) They have all used lockdowns, heavy testing, contact tracing etc.
Bill Maher spoke out against lockdowns, and the entire world save for a few places are coming out of it.Seriously? The guy is a comedian. I guess that is from the School of Elvis. I'll listen to a comedian in a time of crises if I like what he says but scientists? Screw them. Great Elvis logic.
The reason cases in Colombia are lower is the vaccine? Uh, no, douche, the vaccine does not prevent the spread of Covid. That is a fact, deal with it.From WHO website:
What are the benefits of getting vaccinated?
The COVID-19 vaccines produce protection against the disease, as a result of developing an immune response to the SARS-Cov-2 virus. Developing immunity through vaccination means there is a reduced risk of developing the illness and its consequences. This immunity helps you fight the virus if exposed. Getting vaccinated may also protect people around you, because if you are protected from getting infected and from disease, you are less likely to infect someone else. This is particularly important to protect people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19, such as healthcare providers, older or elderly adults, and people with other medical conditions.
So you see. Elvis, your analytical lapses continue. Yes if you have the disease, the vaccine doesn't prevent your spreading it to others. The point is: if you have been vaccinated you are less likely to get it in the first place and therefore less likely to spread it.
Stanford analyzed all the interventions and showed that doing a little intervention like Sweden had the same results as extreme lockdowns.And they also said that their study was very early (March 2020) and that there was much to learn as events unfolded and their conclusions were subject to revision. A fact you kind of like to gloss over.
That is science, douche, not picking out a few countries and getting the results you want. You can pick 4 points on a graph and argue anything. Correlation does not equal causation.You shouldn't use big words like: Science, Correlation and Causation. You simply have no idea what they mean or how to apply them.
JJBee is smarter than me? .....Feeling insecure?
Let me ask you something douche. As for my prediction being wrong, did YOU predict a 100 million Americans would get sick with Covid despite everything that was done? ........given that 1 in 3 Americans got Covid anyway, did we accomplish anything? Thing that I did predict is that the "scientists" would say no bad how things got that they would not admit to fucking up. They would say, "Can you imagine if we did nothing?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
How many times can I say this: You should do your homework before you post your random machinations. If you check Worldometers you will see that the US has only had 47 million cases not the 100 million you came up with. That isn't 1 in 3 that is more like 1 in 7.
I would respond to more of your nonsense but it gets tiring correcting the paper of a student who clearly should be moved back a few grades.
The word you used incorrectly was "indisputable. " A study, particularly one which you misrepresented does not make anything "indisputable. " It might lead to a consensus within the appropriate scientific community, but there will still be those who dispute it. I'm somewhat embarrassed for you that I need to point that out again, since my first paragraph made it abundantly clear.
More embarrassment for you is coming. I didn't dispute the study which you mentioned. In fact I quite clearly agreed with the study in my first point. I suppose redundancy is the order of the day, but you failed to understand something which I wrote in simple and clear terms.
I'll go over point 1 again. The study you referred to showed that persons infected with Covid , regardless of vaccination status were equally likely to infect others within their own household. "Within their own household is a critical part of the study, and twice now you've omitted it. I must conclude this was not by accident and your intention is to misrepresent the study.
That is not irrelevant, it's clearly a salient point..Sry JB, I got 3 paras in and gave up. I don't have the time or enthusiasm to read long dialogues of snarky sarcasm and misrepresentation. So I am afraid the "embarrassment" will pass me by. I can say from just the opening 3 paras that you are very wrong. I DID quite clearly note that the study was about households. I even wrote 'You seem to think that the population of the study (households) is in some way not representative of the wide rpopulation. ' So how you can claim I ignored it, is beyond me. Clearly you just read in to things whatever you want. I have been down that path with you before and it is not an event I am keen to repeat.
Contracting the virus from a fellow household member. I see nothing wrong in a study based on that. The environment is the same for both groups of people. Both groups of people were equally ikely to spread the virus. I will just ask one question. Why would that result be any different in any other environment? If they are at home they both spread it to 25%Vof vaxd household members and 38% of unvaxd household members. In other environments no doubt the spread rates will be different to those 2 rates, but there is no reason to think that vaxd and unvaxd would diverge from being equally infectious. We certainly don't have any evidence to support that idea. So whatever you put forward would be speculative.
Mr Enternational
11-04-21, 00:42
tell me where in the airport will you find the person responsible for establishing policy for every international airport in Colombia?I am like JK. I am not about to read all of that off-base shit! Whoever said anything about finding the person responsible for the policy? Why do you always tend to make the simplest things so complicated?
Any fool can go up to any policeman and ask if there is a code for someone not stopping at a stop sign and they should be able to tell you which code it is. The same as one could walk up to an immigration officer, security personnel, military personnel, or their office in the airport and ask the question about unlocking electronics.
It is not the brain surgery that you make things out to be. No need to hunt down the president of the country and ensure he has his nuclear codes with him in order to pose a mundane 2-second question. Why do you continually insist on taking the long way to a short cut?
This is laughable, around 30% of the population in Sweden are immigrants or children of immigrants while in Finland it's closer to 5%. Good luck finding any Swede to agree with you that Sweden is "genetically homogenous".
I can't help to notice that of the eight "successful" countries that you mentioned six of them are Asian countries and the other two are islands isolated from the rest of the World. Your argument only strengthen my argument that a lockdown isn't a guarantee for anything.
But wtf do I know, maybe France, Italy, Belgium, Spain and Portugal didn't have any lockdowns.They are laughable with their ignorant certainty. Its really a quite distasteful characteristic in a few folk here. You are quite right to point out that confirmed cases are a ridiculous measure to use for anything. In fact, confirmed death rates are also quite useless. This is bcos different countries test at different concentration levels, and also have different rules for declaring deaths and measures for analysing cause of death. A far better measure is "excess deaths". You might find this website useful: https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=cumulative-deaths&tab=trend.
It shows excess deaths in each country since covid. Stats which are far harder to argue with.
Sweden has had 18.400 excees deaths out of a population of 10.2 million, whiich is 1. 800 deaths per million.
Indonesia has had 475.500 excees deaths out of a population of 277 million, whiich is 1. 700 deaths per million.
Indoneisia has had cruel lockdowns which destroyed the economy. Sweden did not. I am struggling to see how Indo is a success and Sweden is a failure.
South Korea also avoided lockdown. It has had 2. 700 excees deaths out of a population of 51 million, whiich is 53 deaths per million.
I think there is a clear winner here, folks.
Lockdowns were never necessary. When we go through the next viral crisis, I am sure many countries will not use the technique.
Elvis 2008
11-04-21, 02:22
What are the benefits of getting vaccinated?
The COVID-19 vaccines produce protection against the disease, as a result of developing an immune response to the SARS-Cov-2 virus. Developing immunity through vaccination means there is a reduced risk of developing the illness and its consequences. This immunity helps you fight the virus if exposed. Getting vaccinated may also protect people around you, because if you are protected from getting infected and from disease, you are less likely to infect someone else. This is particularly important to protect people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19, such as healthcare providers, older or elderly adults, and people with other medical conditions.
So you see. Elvis, your analytical lapses continue. Yes if you have the disease, the vaccine doesn't prevent your spreading it to others. The point is: if you have been vaccinated you are less likely to get it in the first place and therefore less likely to spread it.
How many times can I say this: You should do your homework before you post your random machinations. If you check Worldometers you will see that the US has only had 47 million cases not the 100 million you came up with. That isn't 1 in 3 that is more like 1 in 7..You [Deleted by Admin] really like to argue about things that have been settled. WHO is denying that it ever said lockdowns were its primary method of containing the virus. I personally think they lied about that to cover their ass but it does not matter, it is settled science that lockdowns do not work to control the spread of the virus, so I do not know what the fuck you are arguing about.
As for the vaccine preventing transmission, that is not only obvious from the data, the CDC has come out and said the vaccine does not prevent transmission, so again I do not know what the fuck you are talking about.
The number of USA cases recorded is 47 million. CDC estimates put it at around 100 million. Again, you are attributing their number to me.
Usually when you douches are so badly beaten, and this is about a dumb a post as it gets, you do not admit you are wrong and will get into defining what words like transmission, estimates, and lockdown are (Like Clinton: that depends on what you definition of is is). I do not mind debates where I learn something with a seasoned opponent but you are engaged in a moronic pissing match where you are lying your ass off, and that means you go on ignore.
Elvis 2008
11-04-21, 02:36
Contracting the virus from a fellow household member. I see nothing wrong in a study based on that. The environment is the same for both groups of people. Both groups of people were equally ikely to spread the virus. I will just ask one question. Why would that result be any different in any other environment? If they are at home they both spread it to 25%Vof vaxd household members and 38% of unvaxd household members. In other environments no doubt the spread rates will be different to those 2 rates, but there is no reason to think that vaxd and unvaxd would diverge from being equally infectious. We certainly don't have any evidence to support that idea. So whatever you put forward would be speculative.You are dead on JustTK. I actually think the vaccine worked to prevent spread early on and then Delta hit and changed everything. Birdbrain is off the reservation again and wanting to believe the vaccine prevents infection (even after he got vaccinated and spread Covid himself LOL).
Thing is early on I did not see any cases of asymptomatic transmission but Delta is different. Now Covid patients routinely have no idea where they got it and asymptomatic spread is very real IMO. The notion that you can transmit the virus and be asymptomatic is IMO very real now.
But you do not even have to trust the CDC when it says the vaccine does not prevent transmission. If you look at the data, you see the UK, USA, and Israel have a huge amount of cases and they are among the most vaccinated in the world. There is not one speck of data supporting that the vaccine prevents transmission now but these Democratic douches keep insisting that it does based on "logic."
The funny part is the people who vote Democratic (like Bill Maher and the Atlantic writer) have been like enough is enough. They are saying, "Screw the masks. Screw lockdowns. Screw the notion that drug company immunity is better than natural immunity", but the hard core douches do not get it. They are constantly comparing this shitty vaccine with vaccines that really work.
I have to wonder if they are largely living off government payouts. I actually hope it is that. I would rather believe that they be paid off than be this dumb.
LoveItHere69
11-04-21, 02:59
I have been in Colombia most of the last two years. The only people I know that had COVID were my co-worker, her family, and family friend.
Overweight mom 35 non-smoker had a few bad days of it but fine. Four female kids age 6 to 14 got over it quickly. Thin dad 35 had the most trouble in the family. He had trouble breathing but as soon as his lungs felt better he would go outside and smoke and the breathing issues returned. Surprise surprise. The family friend was a guy 40, slightly overweight, smoked a little, was gay, and had prior health issues (health issues and severity unknown) and he died. The results matched my thoughts on it. Plus, the endless 3 weeks together nearly ended in divorce.
Studies are stupid like statistics. You can get any result that you want out of them. Every 10 years there is a new study such as coffee is good for you, then bad for you going on for the last 40 years. Same with wine, beer, chocolate, and even aspirin.
Fake news states that 5 million people have died. Out of 8 billion people that means the death rate is a huge whopping. 000625% For this we have destroyed entire economies and peoples ways of life. Supply chain issues and lack of personal and government money to hand out will cause many of the starving people worldwide to receive even less food supplies this year and easily the next year. Their death rate could surpass the COVID death rate.
November 3 2021 CDC Covid ratings 1 low, 2 moderate, 3 high, 4 very high.
USA 4 very high.
Colombia 2 moderate.
China 1 low.
You have to be an idiot if you trust the CDC.
No I do not care if you get it because no matter what it will find you. I would rather get Covid and what ever happens happens than live a life of fear and control by governments. Even if the death rate increases ten times to 50 million that would still only be a. 00625% chance of dying.
JJBee is smarter than me? The guy who spread Covid across 2 continents and was so stupid that he did not know what he had? He got it, and I did not after being exposed hundreds of times, and he is smarter than me? Uh, okay.Almost certainly. If you remember I offered you a wager quite some time ago. We both take the same battery of tests, administered by the same psychologist at the same time and then we publish the results here. Highest score wins the wager. You will also recall that you failed to acknowledge my offer, the same as you refused to acknowledge the wager I proposed when you declared you would take the under on the US death toll reaching 80000.
Since it seems unlikely you will ever put your money where your mouth is on which of us is more intelligent, let's examine some anecdotal evidence.
You claim I spread COVID across 2 continents. It appears one of us doesn't know the difference between continent and country. It also appears one of us is lying. There were no cases in north America which connected to me. Unless you wish to claim someone on my one flight while I was contagious, was infected by me. If that's the claim you wish to make provide 3 pieces of information: Flight Number, my seat number and the seat number of the person you claim I infected. If you wish to claim it was someone I was in close proximity with, just provide the date, city and state.
I do claim responsibility for infecting one person in Colombia, however, none of her contacts became infected during her infectious period. That hardly qualifies as spreading COVID across 2 continents. Again, if you wish to claim she or I infected others, provide names and dates along with test results.
Since you are also claiming you were exposed "hundreds of times" provide some names, dates and locations of those hundreds of exposures, including proximity of each infected perso, duration of exposure and test results for each infected person you were exposed to.
While we're at it, either you are unable to express yourself clearly or you are claiming that whether or not a person becomes infected with COVID correlates with intelligence. Provide the study which confirms this.
Of course there is a clincher. During the same time period when you claimed I was spreading COVID across Colombia, you also claim the end of lockdowns caused COVID cases in Colombia to drop. Do you see the discrepancy? The end of the lockdowns, according to you, caused COVID transmission to drop, but I, again according to you, caused COVID transmission to increase. Care to explain how a rate can drop and increase at the same time?
There's really no need for you to continue to prove which of us is more intelligent. However, if you wish to quantify the difference, I'll place $5,000 on the table. Ready to prove your claim?
Sry JB, I got 3 paras in and gave up. I don't have the time or enthusiasm to read long dialogues of snarky sarcasm and misrepresentation. So I am afraid the "embarrassment" will pass me by. I can say from just the opening 3 paras that you are very wrong. I DID quite clearly note that the study was about households. I even wrote 'You seem to think that the population of the study (households) is in some way not representative of the wide rpopulation. ' So how you can claim I ignored it, is beyond me. Clearly you just read in to things whatever you want. I have been down that path with you before and it is not an event I am keen to repeat.
Contracting the virus from a fellow household member. I see nothing wrong in a study based on that. The environment is the same for both groups of people. Both groups of people were equally ikely to spread the virus. I will just ask one question..It's not even my birthday and first you and then MrE come along and bestow such lavish gifts on me. I'm damn near speechless. Allow me to elaborate on your unintended generosity.
You got 3 paragraphs in and then gave up? Yet you then responded to my post beginning with the 5th paragraph. We'll get to that part in a moment. But first:
I DID quite clearly note that the study was about households.However, your original post states:
I saw a few days ago reports of a study published in Bloomberg, Fortune, BBC, Guardian (look them up on search "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" that verify that the vaxd are just as transmissable WRT the virus as the unvaxd. So the vaxd and the unvaxd are equally as likely to pass the virus on to any vulnerable / imuno-compromised person.
So now it is really indisputable that the unvaxd are only an increased danger to themselves. So there is no more excuse for the persecution of the unvaxd to continue.Notice how you failed to mention the limits of the study? It was not until I pointed out that you misrepresented the study, and specified it was limited to within the household and the Delta variant, that you applied the false equivalence of outside the household and inside the household.
There is a reason why the study limits its findings to within the household, and specifies that vaccination overall reduces the risk of infection and that vaccination reduces the infectious period. That reason is called "peer review. ".
For any study to be accepted by the scientific community it must undergo peer review. For those who don't understand it involves other qualified persons examining the data, the methodology and the conclusions to look for errors, inconsistencies or outright fraud. Andrew Wakefield comes to mind.
If the study claimed the data from within households directly correlates to the entire population, it would have been immediately and universally rejected. That's like looking at 5 puppies, noting that 2 are black and declaring 40% of all dogs are black. The study has no data to support that their findings can be applied universally. In fact, they state clearly within the study that the findings are not applicable universally.
However, you have continued to assert that the findings, which the study says aren't true outside of the household, are true outside the household. And I've already explained twice why your claim is incorrect.
Now let's get back to where you decided to respond to something which you claimed you didn't read. I've seen this many times, even before MrE thought you had figured out how to squeeze your way between Scylla and Charybdis. Here's an alternative version of what happened, because your response, to the contents of my 5th paragraph and beyond, which you claimed to not have read, quite clearly demonstrates your version is false.
In my 6th paragraph I gave a simple example which clearly demonstrates the difference between within the household and outside the household; the person you share a bed with inside the household. I'm guessing your visits to restaurants and grocery stores don't also include spending 8 hours (more or less) in bed with an employee or fellow customer. Am I incorrect?
I'm certain I am correct. I've spent a lot of time in stores and restaurants. I spent a few years delivering food to stores and restaurants. Although I did once get a blowjob inside the cooler from the manager of a convenience store, I didn't spend 8 hours in bed with her, or any other employee in the 50 places I serviced each week.
My alternative version? You realized you were unable to come up with a rebuttal. It's quite obvious spending 8 hours in bed with someone every day, maximizes the possibility of infection, while a few minutes 3-5 feet away from someone separated from you by plexiglass minimizes the risk of infection.
When you were faced with admitting your error, you decided to go the ostrich route: stick your head in the sand and pretend you saw nothing. But you made a common mistake. You felt the need to contest what I wrote, even though you claimed to have not read it.
There's no need to go on. You've demonstrated you are inherently dishonest and lack integrity.
However, I will give MrE his own response, because I have integrity.
I am like JK. I am not about to read all of that off-base shit! Whoever said anything about finding the person responsible for the policy? Why do you always tend to make the simplest things so complicated?
Any fool can go up to any policeman and ask if there is a code for someone not stopping at a stop sign and they should be able to tell you which code it is. The same as one could walk up to an immigration officer, security personnel, military personnel, or their office in the airport and ask the question about unlocking electronics.
It is not the brain surgery that you make things out to be. No need to hunt down the president of the country and ensure he has his nuclear codes with him in order to pose a mundane 2-second question. Why do you continually insist on taking the long way to a short cut?If you're not going to read it, why and how did you respond to it?
You can read my response to JustTK to understand how you failed the integrity test.
Let's go straight to your newest line of bullshit.
Just about any police man can tell you the codes for offenses he regularly write tickets for. That's a long way from any policeman knowing everything within the vehicular code. Test it if you like. Ask 3 different police man what the code is for violating the bridge law and for an explanation of the bridge law.
Or try this. You fly through a lot of airports and probably know the code for the ones you frequently visit. If I give you the name of any airport in the world, can you tell me the airport code from memory?
I actually had an experience with what you claim every police officer will know. Two experiences, but I'll only go with one.
30 years ago I worked at a truck dealership in San Diego. We sold medium duty trucks. There are 2 main classes of trucks; 26,000# and under and over 26,000#. There are different rules for each including, in some states different speed limits. Over 26 k is considered a Truck, under isn't.
One customer had a 26 k truck but he added a trailer, which made his combined gross vehicle weight rating over 26 k. He called wanting an answer. I called the California Highway Patrol and they didn't know I called CalTrans, the California Department of transportation and they didn't know. So I opened up the California Vehicle code and found the particular code. However, it was ambiguous.
Once again I called the CHP and CalTrans. They read the code and give me 2 different answers.
Let me know if you ever want to try having integrity.
It's not even my birthday and first you and then MrE come along and bestow such lavish gifts on me. I'm damn near speechless. Allow me to elaborate on your unintended generosity.Wah, wah, wah, Sry JB I cant hear u. I am not going to waste my time chatting w someone who cannot maintain a reasonable and friendly tone.
...Studies are stupid like statistics. You can get any result that you want out of them. Every 10 years there is a new study such as coffee is good for you, then bad for you going on for the last 40 years. Same with wine, beer, chocolate, and even aspirin.People who are unable to perform basic math (and not to name names but there are several on here. Just read more of this thread) usually feel statistics are bogus. Mostly because they don't understand them. Science largely uses statistics to analyze and evaluate events. Of course if the inputs are flawed so are the statistics. But in time more inputs are available and eventually the statistics accurately reflect reality.
Fake news states that 5 million people have died. Out of 8 billion people that means the death rate is a huge whopping .000625% For this we have destroyed entire economies and peoples ways of life. Supply chain issues and lack of personal and government money to hand out will cause many of the starving people worldwide to receive even less food supplies this year and easily the next year. Their death rate could surpass the COVID death rate.
November 3 2021 CDC Covid ratings 1 low, 2 moderate, 3 high, 4 very high.
USA 4 very high.
Colombia 2 moderate..Fascinating! So you think that 5 million of 8 billion was. . 000625% (which, of course, most 3 graders would tell you is not correct).
https://www.calculator.net/percent-calculator.html I'm linking a percent calculator to help you out in the future.
But the correct percentage would be: 0. 0625%.
Elvis needs to open his fly just to count to eleven. Or ten and a half, anyway.
Mr Enternational
11-04-21, 19:20
Wah, wah, wah, Sry JB I cant hear u. I am not going to waste my time chatting w someone who cannot maintain a reasonable and friendly tone.Yeah man. All that BS started to make my head hurt.
And 2 hours ago I did ask the immigration shift supervisor in Bogota about searching electronics. She said the authorities in any airport in the world and law enforcement have the right to search electronics under the guise of preventing terrorism.
I asked what if the phone is locked and the person will not unlock it. She said then they go get the police to get it unlocked. Then I had a JB moment acting like those answers were not good enough, and kept saying but and trying to ask more questions about it. She said, "Get the hell out of here, I have already answered your question." Then she walked off.
That was simple enough. Now brace for his 8 paragraph rebuttal of my 2 sentences worth of encounter.
Wah, wah, wah, Sry JB I cant hear u. I am not going to waste my time chatting w someone who cannot maintain a reasonable and friendly tone.I understand completely. I have the same issue with hypocrisy as you have with having your incapacities pointed out.
Claiming people from the US can only resort to insults when they disagree is a reasonable and friendly tone? The majority of the posters are from the US, most disagree from time to time and most drop the matter before it devolves into insults. I don't belong in that group. If someone repeats their idiocy 3 times, there's no benefit to not point it out. And when their tone from the beginning is insulting, at some point I will respond in like manner.
Claiming that the COVID vaccine causes Dunning Kruger is a reasonable and friendly tone? Perhaps where you're from "reasonable" and "friendly" have different meanings.
Saying someone disagrees with something after they clearly agreed with it is reasonable and friendly? Misrepresenting a study to agree with your bias is reasonable and friendly? Lying about not reading something and then responding falsely to what you claimed to have not read is reasonable and friendly?
Your hypocrisy and lack of integrity has been confirmed.
For everyone else:
I think it was 1998, the day after Thanksgiving, I had a couple of small households of furniture to deliver in the Los Angeles area. I know it was the day after Thanksgiving, because I had forgotten to arrange some laborers in advance.
I had spent Thanksgiving with 2 women I knew in Chino Hills. They had a big house with room to park my truck. One of the women had owned a large contracting company with her ex, which was how she could afford the big house. The other was a Hollywood insider, worked as a personal assistant to some of the biggest stars. She drove a new Mercedes SL, had a closet full of furs and designer dresses, and dated one of the biggest producers. As a result of my friendship with her, for a few years I had the personal phone numbers, addresses and email accounts of literally every actor, director, producer, agent, etc in Hollywood. In a few of my more shameful moments I considered how much it might be worth, but eventually I wiped that hard drive.
I was joking around about putting them to work for me moving furniture and the Hollywood girl said it sounded like fun. So I ended up Van Nuys with a 40 year old debutante as my lumper. The last place we were delivering to I had to park the truck in the alley, blocking it. However, there were ways to easily get around my truck.
About halfway through unloading some chunky, mid 20's woman pulls up in a 10-12 year old Volvo and starts blowing her horn. I go to talk to her and she starts ranting about moving my truck. I was calm and polite, and told her I would be there at least another hour. I then pointed out 2 options which would quickly take her around my truck.
This achieved what I will now call the JustTK response. She began screaming about her importance, about her father, the Chief of Police, about how much trouble I was going to be in, just the typical irrational tantrum exhibited when spoiled brats don't get their way.
I remained polite and told her if she was in a hurry she should take 1 of the 2 options available, otherwise she would be sitting there for an hour.
We went back to work and she alternated between honking her horn and screaming out the window. After another 10 minutes had passed she decided to fake call the police. She holds her phone up to her ear and starts talking as loudly as possible. She described me in an inaccurate and unflattering manner and claimed I had threatened her. Then she got to my friend who she called my "fat, ugly white trash girlfriend. ".
As I noted previously, my friend was definitely not white trash. She also weighed half as much as the woman who was calling her fat. It's possible the woman was reasonably attractive, but with her mouth open she was a troll. However, my friend was clearly the winner in the looks department.
After her fake phone call, she yelled that the police were coming to throw me in jail. I just laughed and kept working. However, my friend decided she was tired of listening to the bullshit and walked up to her car. The window was quickly rolled up and doors locked. Diane just calmly said "you need to leave. " That's when the woman went full JustTK.
She cranked up her radio, stuck her fingers in her ears and said "I can't hear you. ".
Diane leaned over to look straight in the windshield and said "read my lips. You need to leave right now. " She spun her tires backing up and took off like her ass was on fire.
About 10 minutes later 4 skater punks come walking across the alley. I'm thinking I'll have to deal with more self-important delusional assholes. Nope. They were just gushing with how awesome we were and how the woman treated everyone that way. They had brought me a case of beer as thanks. I told them I couldn't accept the beer, but I had an idea. I handed them a $20 and told them to call their friends, buy more beer and throw a party telling the story.
Somewhere in the LA basin there are some 50 year old guys who probably still tell that story.
It's been a long time since I thought of that story, but seeing someone figuratively sticking their fingers in their ears and typing "I can't hear you" on a message board, well it's hard not to make the connection.
Yeah man. All that BS started to make my head hurt.
And 2 hours ago I did ask the immigration shift supervisor in Bogota about searching electronics. She said the authorities in any airport in the world and law enforcement have the right to search electronics under the guise of preventing terrorism.
I asked what if the phone is locked and the person will not unlock it. She said then they go get the police to get it unlocked. Then I had a JB moment acting like those answers were not good enough, and kept saying but and trying to ask more questions about it. She said, "Get the hell out of here, I have already answered your question." Then she walked off.
That was simple enough. Now brace for his 8 paragraph rebuttal of my 2 sentences worth of encounter.1. People unable to handle basic math seems to be the theme today. I count 5 sentences worth of encounter.
2. I recall you claimed it's not legal for them to ask you to unlock your phone.
3. I recall you claimed they couldn't detain you for refusing to unlock your phone.
4. I also recall I stated that they have the legal authority to unlock your phone and to detain you if you refuse.
5. I also recall stating that in any country in the world, unless such a search has been specifically prohibited under any circumstances, such a search is legal.
6. Bear with me. I'm trying to stretch it to 8 paragraphs so that you will have been right about 1 thing, no matter how inconsequential.
7. I certainly understand how it would make your head hurt. When proof that you are completely clueless, about something you tried to pass as an expert on, is right there for everyone to read Cognitive dissonance can cause headaches.
8. Now that you've proven yourself wrong on every count and claimed victory, I sure hope you still have plenty of hot sauce left, because eating crow is easier with some seasoning.
People who are unable to perform basic math (and not to name names but there are several on here. Just read more of this thread) usually feel statistics are bogus. Mostly because they don't understand them. Science largely uses statistics to analyze and evaluate events. Of course if the inputs are flawed so are the statistics. But in time more inputs are available and eventually the statistics accurately reflect reality.
Fascinating! So you think that 5 million of 8 billion was. . 000625% (which, of course, most 3 graders would tell you is not correct).
https://www.calculator.net/percent-calculator.html I'm linking a percent calculator to help you out in the future.
But the correct percentage would be: 0. 0625%.It looks like another one doesn't understand studies or statistics. It's funny because so much of everyone's everyday life is based on statistics.
Upgrades to roads, water systems, sewage systems, the electric grid are all ruled by statistics. Which crops are planted, which seed strains, which herbicides and pesticides and when to plant, apply pesticides, herbicides and fertilizer, along with when to harvest, statistics all the way.
Whether to build a new hospital, or expand an existing one, how many ambulance and firetrucks, how many police officers, all is based on statistics. Add to that, where to build pharmacies, grocery stores, hardware stores, restaurants and clubs and without statistics the entire infrastructure is fucked.
And let's not forget that any type of insurance is 100% statistics. Without statistics civilization collapses.
Studies on the other hand. Yes you can do a study and get whatever results you want. Absolutely. Undeniably. Just like you can claim that you can knock out anyone with a single punch.
That's when the truth comes out. My favorite example because it ties in so nicely with the 79 Club (my new classification for all the idiots who argue against vaccines, 79 represents their median IQ), is Andrew Wakefield and his study which showed the existing MMR vaccine causes autism. Almost immediately after publication doctors began questioning his data and his methodology. Ironically his study was published in "The Lancet", which eventually fully retracted the study. As a result his right to practice medicine was revoked and now he's just another 79 Clubber.
As you well know, but several obviously don't, no study is complete until it passes peer review. The findings need to be duplicated, the methodology needs to be confirmed. If it can't be confirmed it gets tossed aside.
Just like the "I can kick anyone's ass" crowd. It looks good on paper until you're toe to toe with someone who has been a boxer for 30 years.
Elvis 2008
11-04-21, 20:29
That was simple enough. Now brace for his 8 paragraph rebuttal of my 2 sentences worth of encounter.Oh yeah, there will be that five wagers, an IQ challenge, about 10 false analogies, and a lecture on why 0.06% is different than 0.0006%.
Elvis 2008
11-04-21, 20:40
People who are unable to perform basic math (and not to name names but there are several on here. Just read more of this thread) usually feel statistics are bogus. Mostly because they don't understand them. Science largely uses statistics to analyze and evaluate events. Of course if the inputs are flawed so are the statistics. But in time more inputs are available and eventually the statistics accurately reflect reality.
Fascinating! So you think that 5 million of 8 billion was. . 000625% (which, of course, most 3 graders would tell you is not correct).
https://www.calculator.net/percent-calculator.html I'm linking a percent calculator to help you out in the future.
But the correct percentage would be: 0. 0625%.And you tried to brag about being civil and not name calling? And you equate an incorrect mathematical solution to me?
Who gives a fuck about 0.0625 and 0.00625%? His point, which is correct, is the risk of Covid has been greatly exaggerated.
Is there any point in this point outside of you being a patronizing bragging dick which is the same with all your posts?
I guess the reason you have to pay for women is they are unimpressed by your math skills.
You are on ignore douche.
PedroMorales
11-04-21, 20:57
The USA and the civilized world have different definitions of billion.
Inferential statistics has type 1 and type 11 errors. Descriptive statistics are just that.
Pic 1 is a famous book (in the civilized world).
Pic 2, Dalia Dippolito, is a famous hooker (in the USA jungle), who was 500% sure she wanted a hit man to off her working girl loving hubby. Here are her prison details. Write to her. She'll be out in 2031, so less than 10 years to wait.
People who are unable to perform basic math (and not to name names but there are several on here. Just read more of this thread) usually feel statistics are bogus. Mostly because they don't understand them. Science largely uses statistics to analyze and evaluate events. Of course if the inputs are flawed so are the statistics. But in time more inputs are available and eventually the statistics accurately reflect reality.
Fascinating! So you think that 5 million of 8 billion was. . 000625% (which, of course, most 3 graders would tell you is not correct).
https://www.calculator.net/percent-calculator.html I'm linking a percent calculator to help you out in the future.
But the correct percentage would be: 0. 0625%.
People who are unable to perform basic math (and not to name names but there are several on here. Just read more of this thread) usually feel statistics are bogus. Mostly because they don't understand them. Science largely uses statistics to analyze and evaluate events. Of course if the inputs are flawed so are the statistics. But in time more inputs are available and eventually the statistics accurately reflect reality.
Fascinating! So you think that 5 million of 8 billion was. . 000625% (which, of course, most 3 graders would tell you is not correct).
https://www.calculator.net/percent-calculator.html I'm linking a percent calculator to help you out in the future.
But the correct percentage would be: 0. 0625%.There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million), so both of you are right in a way. But both are wrong in a way too.
Excelss deaths show that 11.7 miilions may have died from COVID. So out out 7. 753 billion (using short scale), that's 0. 15%, or 1,500 deaths per million (which is the common stat expression).
As for the vaccine preventing transmission, that is not only obvious from the data, the CDC has come out and said the vaccine does not prevent transmission, so again I do not know what the fuck you are talking about.Oh dear. Let's try this in a simple way so that even Elvis can grasp the concept.
The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. But stay with me for just a few more seconds. What does the vaccine do? It makes it a lot less likely you will get CoVid in the first place. And if you do get a breakthrough case of CoVid you are a lot less likely to have severe consequences. Stick with the first part. The vaccine makes it a whole lot less likely that you will be infected with CoVid. So take two groups. One group is vaccinated and the other group isn't. Which group will more likely get infections? See'Mon. Elvis you can get this one right. It is binary, so you are 50-50. Answer: The unvaccinated group is more likely to get infected. By extension (simple arithmetic) more members of the unvaccinated group are likely to get infected with CoVid than from the vaccinated group. Now we get to the next part. If the unvaccinated group has a lot more people infected than the vaccinated group. Isn't the unvaccinated group much more likely to pass along the virus to family members or other members they come in contact with? (For Elvis: That was a rhetorical question. The answer would be obvious to any 3rd grader.).
The number of USA cases recorded is 47 million. CDC estimates put it at around 100 million. Again, you are attributing their number to me.I'm using the 47 million reported on Worldometer. You constantly banter that the CDC can't be trusted, can't be believed, lack competence etc etc etc but you choose to use their number when it suits your purposes. Isn't that the classic example of shopping around for a number you like for your argument. Pick a number here, pick one there, Pick one on aisle 3. C'mon. Elvis try to be consistent.
There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million), so both of you are right in a way. But both are wrong in a way too.
Excelss deaths show that 11.7 miilions may have died from COVID. So out out 7. 753 billion (using short scale), that's 0. 15%, or 1,500 deaths per million (which is the common stat expression).You don't know what you are talking about. A million million? We call that a Trillion not a Billion. You aren't smart enough to take the vaccine and now you want to wade into a statistical discussion?
Seriously dude? Come back when you can pass a grade school math equivalency test.
There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million), so both of you are right in a way. But both are wrong in a way too.Possibly in your native language but certainly not in English, where a million million is a trillion. Now let's get back to you being completely full of shit about what that study you posted meant.
There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million), so both of you are right in a way. But both are wrong in a way too.And he's off by a factor of a hundred, not by a factor of a thousand. People who don't understand numbers should not be allowed to use them for anything.
This is laughable, around 30% of the population in Sweden are immigrants or children of immigrants while in Finland it's closer to 5%. Good luck finding any Swede to agree with you that Sweden is "genetically homogenous".Well, I'll give you props for doing your homework. You're still wrong, mind you but you did show some modest intelligence by trying to do your research. Here is the problem in what you came up with:
Yes, Sweden does have about 30% of its population having come from other countries but of that 30% (something close to 10% (1/3 of the 30% came from Norway, Denmark and Finland. And then some more came from Germany too. The largest historical group of immigrants are from Finland. In other words your 30% is greatly exaggerated. AND a number of the immigrants that did come to Sweden over the years, intermarried and assimilated which means that although you may have Swedes with one immigrant parent they still possess genetic characteristic of the general Swedish population.
Math teacher: 'The formula for the area of a circle is Pi are-squared. '.
TK and Elvis: 'That can't be right! Pi are round and cake are square. '.
PedroMorales
11-05-21, 00:37
First off, Norway and Finland were formerly parts of Sweden. The great Finnish patriot, Carl GUSTAF Mannerheim, spoke Swedish as he was of Swedish nobility. The Finns did mot of the heavy fighting for King Karl Gustaf the Great of Sweden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden
Wikipedia tells us the great increases in Swedish population and in Swedish crime are from Africa and similar toilets. Muslims who cam, e to Sweden decades ago came to work. Now they come to scrounge on Sweden's great security system and to commit crime. These people do not assimilate in Sweden, Germany, France or anywhere else. In Germany, for example, they support the Turkish not the German football team. Parts of the Netherlands and Belgium are ISIS safe havens.
The future is the medieval city state or the mad Max type we associate with the toilet of the USA and Latin America. Wealth, gated communities and savages beyond them.
Though Europe is the heart of the civilised world and Germany is the pinnacle of engineering, the fact is for every one German engineer Germany can throw at a problem, China can throw 100 or 1000 if need be. The US model of simply stealing superior German grey matter is likewise running out of track.
I am unsure what this stupid shit is about. By all means, be stupid. But do not be that stupid.
Well, I'll give you props for doing your homework. You're still wrong, mind you but you did show some modest intelligence by trying to do your research. Here is the problem in what you came up with:
Yes, Sweden does have about 30% of its population having come from other countries but of that 30% (something close to 10% (1/3 of the 30% came from Norway, Denmark and Finland. And then some more came from Germany too. The largest historical group of immigrants are from Finland. In other words your 30% is greatly exaggerated. AND a number of the immigrants that did come to Sweden over the years, intermarried and assimilated which means that although you may have Swedes with one immigrant parent they still possess genetic characteristic of the general Swedish population.
You don't know what you are talking about. A million million? We call that a Trillion not a Billion. You aren't smart enough to take the vaccine and now you want to wade into a statistical discussion?
Seriously dude? Come back when you can pass a grade school math equivalency test.Really, you are the worst of the worst in assuming you are correct, and then criticising others despite being wrong! Haha.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scale
Just take a humility pill, man. It will help you get along with people better.
Possibly in your native language but certainly not in English, where a million million is a trillion. Now let's get back to you being completely full of shit about what that study you posted meant.If you are able to discuss it in a polite / respectful way, Sure! Lets go fir. Otherwise. F.
If you are able to discuss it in a polite / respectful way, Sure!.I called you on it earlier, as did several other people, and you did not and cannot verify your assertions. So, politely and respectfully, you are completely and totally full of shit, and are a selfish unvaccinated asshole who continues to fuck hookers. So when the mandate hits Colombia, please do not let the door hit you in the ass.
'The short scale is used in most English-speaking and Arabic-speaking countries, in Brazil, and in several other countries. ' And this is an English speaking forum, and did I mention you are completely full of shit?
Really, you are the worst of the worst in assuming you are correct, and then criticising others despite being wrong! Haha.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scale
Just take a humility pill, man. It will help you get along with people better.I should take a humility pill? Sure guy anything you say. I thought we were having our discussion in English American style? Did someone go back to medieval long scales? No.
If you would improve your reading skill you would have understood the context of the discussion. We were talking about 5 million deaths from CoVid and a world population of 8 billion. That wasn't 8 billion on the long scale or else the population of the earth would be 8 trillion using the universally accepted numerical system. Only a 3rd grader could have made that mistake.
Really, you are the worst of the worst in assuming you are correct, and then criticising others despite being wrong! Haha.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scale
Just take a humility pill, man. It will help you get along with people better.Once again, you are arguing about factors of a thousand and the OP was wrong by a factor of a hundred. So for those who can count to three, the OP was off by two decimal places and you are arguing about differences of three decimal places. But unvaccinated people are stupid by definition at this point, so it is not surprising you can't figure that out.
You don't know what you are talking about. A million million? We call that a Trillion not a Billion. You aren't smart enough to take the vaccine and now you want to wade into a statistical discussion?
Seriously dude? Come back when you can pass a grade school math equivalency test.Whenever someone is discussing world population and throw out "8 billion" it's glaringly obvious they are referring to 8,000,000,000. There's no ambiguity, no question whatsoever about the value being discussed.
If you are able to discuss it in a polite / respectful way, Sure! Lets go fir. Otherwise. F.Why do you insist others hold to a standard which you refuse to abide by?
LoveItHere69
11-05-21, 05:33
Yup. Screwed up. Got in a rush and should have left off the " Boy that sure got some people hot and bothered. Yikes!
The last three hotels I have stayed at have not been expensive but on the new side (3 years old) or remo deled. They used some low trough like sink built into the hallways to clean the mop head. I was eating at the food court in Santa Fe Mall which I believe is the largest mall in Medellin. They were using a plastic mop bucket on wheels but without the mop head ringer. So all these places are wringing out the water by hand which is very hard work time consuming, and does a horrible job. Is the same thing happening in the fancy hotels? What the hell gives? Why on earth do they do this (other than save a little money)?
Disgusting news up next. Botero Real next to the church is currently the most popular love hotel in Centro. The new owners kicked out all the over-nighters to make it short time only 2 months ago. Two receptionists work 12 hour shifts. For curiosity sake I asked what their busiest day was. Basically how much sex happened that day, Received to two different answers from each girl. 510 and 600. We will go with the lower count. They said they had 30 rooms. So 510/30 = 17 romps in each room. I think they only change the sheets twice or maybe thrice times per day. Yuck!
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JohnnyWalker55
11-05-21, 17:16
Oh dear. Let's try this in a simple way so that even Elvis can grasp the concept.
The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. But stay with me for just a few more seconds. What does the vaccine do? It makes it a lot less likely you will get CoVid in the first place. And if you do get a breakthrough case of CoVid you are a lot less likely to have severe consequences. Stick with the first part. The vaccine makes it a whole lot less likely that you will be infected with CoVid. So take two groups. One group is vaccinated and the other group isn't. Which group will more likely get infections? See'Mon. Elvis you can get this one right. It is binary, so you are 50-50. Answer: The unvaccinated group is more likely to get infected. By extension (simple arithmetic) more members of the unvaccinated group are likely to get infected with CoVid than from the vaccinated group. Now we get to the next part. If the unvaccinated group has a lot more people infected than the vaccinated group. Isn't the unvaccinated group much more likely to pass along the virus to family members or other members they come in contact with? (For Elvis: That was a rhetorical question. The answer would be obvious to any 3rd grader.).
.Nice condescending tone, shows where you are mentally.
You completely disregard IFR, natural immunity from antibodies, and herd immunity. There's a reason there wasnt a vaccine for the spanish flu, becuase you can't create a vaccine for the flu. Which is what covid is, a deadlier version of the flu. Which is the reason masks are required again along with booster shots, because the vaccine is literally not a vaccine. It's a treatment to prevent death. There's a reason the average age of covid death is higher than the average age of death by natural causes in the usa. It's not the damn plague.
But it always fascinates me how "progressives" or "liberals" whatever you want to call it, have become complete bootlickers with govt mandates when they were all free speech anti war anti gov people in the 60's.
I mean this is a govt funded vax from a monopoly of pharma companies with a long history of malpractice lawsuits, they are obligating you to take it or you lose your job / right to travel in a lot of cases, and you have no legal recourse against said companies! Insanity,
But again arguing with somebody who is vaccinated is like arguing against god with a christian, it goes nowhere 99% of the time because of the inherent bias.
You completely disregard IFR, natural immunity from antibodies, and herd immunity ...But again arguing with somebody who is vaccinated is like arguing against god with a christian, it goes nowhere 99% of the time because of the inherent bias.Well, maybe because the scientific community, as opposed to the tin foil hat crowd, has rejected the concepts of IFR and herd immunity, and maybe because most studies show natural immunity is inferior to and does not last as long as vaxxing. But I personally am done arguing with anti vaxxers and am ready to just start either holding them down and jabbing them or maybe just fucking shooting them. You are a bunch of selfish fucking assholes and it isn't about you or freedom or personal choice. It is a fucking epidemic and sane people are tired of the restrictions and vaccination is the way to go. Hello? Smallpox? Polio? Measles? You people are stupid, ignorant, selfish fucking assholes and probably engage in felching.
more members of the unvaccinated group are likely to get infected with CoVid than from the vaccinated group.Tell that to Jen Psaki (after she recovers from covid, of course).
Nice condescending tone, shows where you are mentally.
You completely disregard IFR, natural immunity from antibodies, and herd immunity. There's a reason there wasnt a vaccine for the spanish flu, becuase you can't create a vaccine for the flu. Which is what covid is, a deadlier version of the flu. Which is the reason masks are required again along with booster shots, because the vaccine is literally not a vaccine. It's a treatment to prevent death. There's a reason the average age of covid death is higher than the average age of death by natural causes in the usa. It's not the damn plague.
But it always fascinates me how "progressives" or "liberals" whatever you want to call it, have become complete bootlickers with govt mandates when they were all free speech anti war anti gov people in the 60's.
I mean this is a govt funded vax from a monopoly of pharma companies with a long history of malpractice lawsuits, they are obligating you to take it or you lose your job / right to travel in a lot of cases, and you have no legal recourse against said companies! Insanity,
But again arguing with somebody who is vaccinated is like arguing against god with a christian, it goes nowhere 99% of the time because of the inherent bias.Are you confused about the meaning of "herd immunity?" I'm asking because you list "natural immunity from antibodies and herd immunity" as if they are 2 separate things. I'm also not understanding lumping Infection Fatality Ratio with immunity from antibodies. I suppose death does provide a type of immunity, which is superior to all other acquired immunities against reinfection, but is it the best method?
Actually the reason why there wasn't a vaccine against the Spanish flu is because 100+ years ago medical science was 100+ years behind where it is today. That's like saying the reason there were no airplanes in the American Revolution is because airplanes don't work.
As for the COVID vaccine, it's vaccines, plural, there are several. They are all slightly different. Is the average age of death from Covid higher than the average age of death from natural causes? I'm asking because I can't find any figures for either. I suspect the difference is not huge, since heart disease, cancer, COVID, and most of the other natural causes are more common amongst the elderly. I did find numbers for Canada, but it's a comparison between 2020 for Covid and average life expectancy for 2019. However, life expectancy includes accidents, suicides and violence which are skewed to the young. If you remove those, the age difference is not significant.
Progressives or liberals or whatever YOU want to call them? Are these the same progressives and liberals you were complaining about protesting last year? I'm working on an article for The Journal of American Hypocrisy" and would like some clarification.
Instead of splitting people by "liberal" and "conservative", let's try something different.
Group 1: "I'll do whatever the fuck I want and I don't care who it hurts or kills. ".
Group 2: "I don't want to endanger myself needlessly, especially if it endangers others. ".
Pick one. Now it doesn't matter who you vote for, what race or religion, what gender. Now we can have a discussion about the issue without the labels.
Issue 1: wearing masks. Are masks effective at reducing the spread? Notice I didn't say 100% effective. Does a properly worn mask provide some protection? If there's some confusion, go to a hospital emergency room and wait for a gunshot victim to be brought in. After the emergency surgery ask the ER surgeon why he wore a mask. Be prepared for a disrespectful, bordering on angry response.
Issue 2: Do vaccines offer some level of protection above natural immunity acquired from infection? There's quite a large body of data available. How do you interpret it?
The internet is a government funded invention. I don't see a lot of people screaming about not using the internet because it was funded by the government. Every fire department and police department is government funded. Does that mean I shouldn't call them if my house is on fire?
As for the pharmaceutical monopoly, what's your take on Viagra and Cialis? Same pharmaceutical companies, with the same history of lawsuits. Why aren't you raising hell every time someone asks where to buy Viagra? Let's go a step further. If you have an allergic reaction to something and need an injection of epinephrine to save your life, are you ready to refuse it because it came from those big, bad pharmaceutical companies?
I fully support each individual's right to refuse vaccination. But if your reason is because it came from a pharmaceutical company, then there's a whole bunch of stuff you need to give up in order to be consistent, including eating anything you didn't grow or raise yourself. Yep. Them big, mean ol' pharmaceutical companies have their finger in just about everything you eat or drink.
Losing jobs? Losing the right to travel? You lost me there. If I refuse to get drug tested when ordered, I lose my job. In fact, I would be unable to be hired for my job anywhere, without the drug test. Under certain circumstances, refusing the drug test would permanently disqualify from my job. Not only could I not get hired, I couldn't even apply. If I wish to travel to certain places in the world, I'm required to have certain vaccines. It's been that way for years. There are certain jobs where I would be required to get certain vaccines. It's not as if the mandates are an entirely new thing. It's simply an addition to a list of requirements which already existed.
Finally, why argue about it? I'm vaccinated. My opinion is that it's in almost everyone's best interest to get vaccinated. You have your reasons for not getting vaccinated. They aren't important to me. What is important to me is when people are insisting others not get vaccinated. It's the same with drugs or barebacking hookers. I don't feel either is in your best interest, but those are personal choices. It's only when someone starts insisting everyone should be doing those things that I am opposed.
Yup. Screwed up. Got in a rush and should have left off the " Boy that sure got some people hot and bothered. Yikes!
The last three hotels I have stayed at have not been expensive but on the new side (3 years old) or remo deled. They used some low trough like sink built into the hallways to clean the mop head. I was eating at the food court in Santa Fe Mall which I believe is the largest mall in Medellin. They were using a plastic mop bucket on wheels but without the mop head ringer. So all these places are wringing out the water by hand which is very hard work time consuming, and does a horrible job. Is the same thing happening in the fancy hotels? What the hell gives? Why on earth do they do this (other than save a little money)?
Disgusting news up next. Botero Real next to the church is currently the most popular love hotel in Centro. The new owners kicked out all the over-nighters to make it short time only 2 months ago. Two receptionists work 12 hour shifts. For curiosity sake I asked what their busiest day was. Basically how much sex happened that day, Received to two different answers from each girl. 510 and 600. We will go with the lower count. They said they had 30 rooms. So 510/30 = 17 romps in each room. I think they only change the sheets twice or maybe thrice times per day. Yuck!.Santa Fe mall is possibly the third largest mall in the Medellin metro area. Plaza Mayorca is much bigger. Centro Comercial Viva is the largest.
No comment on cheap and nasty hotels in El Centro, except to clarify the difference between a cheap short time hotel and a love hotel / motel. Love motels usually offer rooms for 3 hours minimum and they typically have at least a sex chair in addition to the bed. They also, in my experience are much cleaner and get a thorough cleaning, linen change, between customers. There are several that appear decent in El Centro, but I've only checked out 1.
As for your complaint, it's almost an everyday occurrence. Someone is always asking a question which was just answered. The best ones are the "I've been reading the forum, and I have a few questions", followed by a list of questions which are answered every week. My absolute favorite ones are the "I've mongered all over the world for 20 years (but their post count is 1) and I have some questions. I promise to post a detailed report after my trip. " Then they ask something like "are the girls okay with me bringing my own condoms?
Yup. Screwed up. Got in a rush and should have left off the " Boy that sure got some people hot and bothered. Yikes! You waded into a tempestuous debate and happened to make a math error. No big deal despite the blowback. I have to give you respect. You admitted you made a mistake. Not something we see around here very much.
***** Complaint. Guy asks about where to buy men's happy pills and 24 hours later another guy asks the same question in the same thread.We have a lot of visitors who aren't willing (or perhaps aren't able?) to read through the forum and learn from the multiple members who actually try to help people. You can lead a new member to sound advice. You just can't make him read it.
Now it's clear who Pedro Morales is, Shoobree the Swede, but this time failed to keep his conversations consistent between his handles. Oops. Anyway pal is going to be a long winter down in your momma's basement in Stockholm, eating pickled herring and beating off with the juice of the same. Of course we are never going to see you in Colombia, "southern Europe," purportedly "roughing up Americans" lololol or any other venue this forum is about. You haven't even the balls to stick with one handle, much less do any traveling or start any fights with any ethnic groups you envy. Wink.
First off, Norway and Finland were formerly parts of Sweden. The great Finnish patriot, Carl GUSTAF Mannerheim, spoke Swedish as he was of Swedish nobility. The Finns did mot of the heavy fighting for King Karl Gustaf the Great of Sweden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden
Wikipedia tells us the great increases in Swedish population and in Swedish crime are from Africa and similar toilets. Muslims who cam, e to Sweden decades ago came to work. Now they come to scrounge on Sweden's great security system and to commit crime. These people do not assimilate in Sweden, Germany, France or anywhere else. In Germany, for example, they support the Turkish not the German football team. Parts of the Netherlands and Belgium are ISIS safe havens.
The future is the medieval city state or the mad Max type we associate with the toilet of the USA and Latin America. Wealth, gated communities and savages beyond them..
Why do you insist others hold to a standard which you refuse to abide by?Really? I am always respectful to those that show some. But I can see you have already formed your opinion, so don't waste your breath.
Whenever someone is discussing world population and throw out "8 billion" it's glaringly obvious they are referring to 8,000,000,000. There's no ambiguity, no question whatsoever about the value being discussed.My point was that I pointed that "There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million)" - yet he insisted that I was an idiot and that I was wrong. Whereas I am clearly correct. It is this arrogant and ignorant assertion of correctness with some people here that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course, I can defend what I say (as another claimed I couldn't). I just simply refuse to engage with condescending ar8 eholes. That is quite another story.
Nice condescending tone, shows where you are mentally. I'd much prefer someone come across condescending but bring truth than pretend to be humble while talking out of their ass. Speaking of which:
Which is what covid is, a deadlier version of the flu.Everyone knows Covid isn't influenza but the most ignorant among us. It's hard to get any more asinine than that.
There's a reason the average age of covid death is higher than the average age of death by natural causes in the usa. Please link your source (s) for these claims, something the right wingnuts among us almost never do. Covid has drastically reduced life expectancy in a number of US states and other countries. That would hardly be the case if what you just claimed is true. In any case, prove it.
https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/new-metric-shows-covid-drastically-reduced-lifespan
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0254925
But it always fascinates me how "progressives" or "liberals" whatever you want to call it, have become complete bootlickers with govt mandates when they were all free speech anti war anti gov people in the 60's.It fascinates you only because you don't know how to think well enough to make anything resembling a valid comparison. Screw your "freedom" to spread disease. Such has nothing to do with anti-war protests. Also screw your "free speech" to call for violent insurrections, to hang the vice president and speaker of the house, or whatever other numbskull 70 IQ Alex Joneseque silliness that threatens our democracy. And the "big tech" the wingnuts want to cry about have a Constitutional right not to host vile information like the aforementioned or Covid nonsense, calling it "the flu," etc. On their private platforms. Good on them for taking a stand. Post your nonsense over at News Max or Info Wars.
I mean this is a govt funded vax from a monopoly of pharma companies with a long history of malpractice lawsuits, they are obligating you to take it or you lose your job / right to travel in a lot of cases, and you have no legal recourse against said companies! But again arguing with somebody who is vaccinated is like arguing against god with a christian, it goes nowhere 99% of the time because of the inherent bias.And you aren't "biased?" Spinning out your wingnut conspiracy theories? The pharmas aren't monopolies, and aside from J & J and the talcum powder, only one in the vaccine game has had a notable settlement related to a pharmaceutical, back in 2009. The vaccine from the same, Pfizer, has been monitored by numerous entities outside of their corporate structure. Yes I'm all for vaccine mandates and mask requirements while leaving the selfish and cowardly on the sidelines, couldn't happen soon enough for me.
In any case your post was more arrogant than the one you objected to. Funny how these things end up once you've finished typing.
My point was that I pointed that "There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million)" - yet he insisted that I was an idiot and that I was wrong. Whereas I am clearly correct. It is this arrogant and ignorant assertion of correctness with some people here that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course, I can defend what I say (as another claimed I couldn't). I just simply refuse to engage with condescending ar8 eholes. That is quite another story.Did your momma ever tell you to stop diggin'?
The original poster acknowledged he made a mistake. You could have seen this in any number of ways but NO, you had to pontificate about long scales and short scales. The discussion that gave rise to the calculation was one about the earth's population as a denominator. Even you, even you could have figured out what number we were talking about. At this point the only person on the planet who thinks you're not impaired mentally is you. As the old saying goes. "It's time to stop digging".
Really? I am always respectful to those that show some. But I can see you have already formed your opinion, so don't waste your breath.I've already pointed out your post, which was not a reply to anyone, where you said the vaccine causes Dunning Kruger. That is directed at every vaccinated person, whether or not they have ever replied to one of your posts.
Then there was your link to the Pfizer study in The Lancet, where you speculated that vaccinated people would denigrate the publication. Once again, it was a post which originated with you, not a reply to someone else.
These are just 2 examples where you began with a disrespectful tone. Are there more?
Well, maybe because the scientific community, as opposed to the tin foil hat crowd, has rejected the concepts of IFR and herd immunity, and maybe because most studies show natural immunity is inferior to and does not last as long as vaxxing. But I personally am done arguing with anti vaxxers and am ready to just start either holding them down and jabbing them or maybe just fucking shooting them. You are a bunch of selfish fucking assholes and it isn't about you or freedom or personal choice. It is a fucking epidemic and sane people are tired of the restrictions and vaccination is the way to go. Hello? Smallpox? Polio? Measles? You people are stupid, ignorant, selfish fucking assholes and probably engage in felching.I have a third option, it's something that has been used before. Set up natural acquired immunity centers.
Instead of bitching about vaccines, just set up a place where anyone who wants to try the herd immunity route can check in for a week and be exposed intentionally every day. After 1 week of exposure, they return a week later for testing. If positive, they quarantine for 2 weeks. If they remain uninfected, or recover thy get a natural immunity card good for 3 months, which serves in lieu of a vaccine card. Every 3 months repeat the process to renew the card. If they don't get infected for 3 consecutive renewal visits they get a permanent card.
My point was that I pointed that "There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million)" - yet he insisted that I was an idiot and that I was wrong. Whereas I am clearly correct. It is this arrogant and ignorant assertion of correctness with some people here that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course, I can defend what I say (as another claimed I couldn't). I just simply refuse to engage with condescending ar8 eholes. That is quite another story.No. You were wrong. Completely and absolutely wrong. The key is context. If you throw out answers without considering context, there's a good chance you're going to be wrong.
If someone is looking for a girl who is an expert at sucking dick and you respond with a discussion about pudding, you're wrong.
I suppose we could all go with "I respectfully wish to point your awareness to the possibility there could be a slight error in your response", bit "you're wrong" leaves no ambiguity and allows us to move on.
And you can use "asshole. " No need to censor yourself. No need to use "arse". Nobody is going to wonder what a perforated donkey has to do with the replay. And it's a forum dedicated to the pursuit of fucking hookers. If someone gets offended because you spelled out arse, they are in the wrong place.
Mr Enternational
11-06-21, 03:56
But I personally am done arguing with anti vaxxers and am ready to just start either holding them down and jabbing them or maybe just fucking shooting them. You are a bunch of selfish fucking assholes and it isn't about you or freedom or personal choice. It is a fucking epidemic and sane people are tired of the restrictions and vaccination is the way to go. Hello? Smallpox? Polio? Measles?You left out Herpes.
Less than an hour ago I watched the entire anti-vax mindset play out right in front of me.
If you pay attention, you know I drive a truck, semi, big rig, 18 wheeler. Why I drive a truck is simple; it makes me happy. A long time ago I had a job that sucked. The work itself was fine, I enjoyed it. However, I was supposed to stretch 6-10 hours of work into a 45 hour work week (we did exclusively contracting for the Department of Defense). Fortunately, for me, the contract they hired me to fill was awarded to another company, which left me free to explore other opportunities (which is corporate speak for I was terminated).
Instead of collecting unemployment, I took a job driving a tow truck. Instead of hitting snooze 6 times every day, I was putting in 80-100 hours a week and loving it. The overall pay was much better and I didn't have to wear a tie.
After a few years I ended up doing the corporate grind again. Once again, I loved the work, but hated the environment. After a couple of high stress years, I got my CDL, Commercial Drivers License and it's what I've done for most of the last 26 years. No alarm clock, no boss, minimal bureaucratic bullshit and the pay and benefits are pretty good.
Driving 60 hours a week, you see a lot of things, good and bad. Tonight was a bad one. Coming into Indianapolis 2 new Corvettes went by me at 150 MPH or more. Zigging around traffic one of them zigged at the wrong time and clipped a minivan. The minivan spun out into the grass, the Corvette spun into the median divider wall. Both people were able to get out of the Vette, although the passenger was pretty wobbly. I'm not sure about the minivan. The other Corvette kept going.
If one of the Corvettes had hit the back of a truck, they would have removed the bodies with a squeegee.
The Corvettes were the unvaxed crusaders, the ones telling people to beware of vaccines. The trucks were the vaccinated. If they get hit they're probably going to walk away. All the other cars are the partially vaccinated, or vaccinated with compromised immunity, who are trying to minimize exposure.
The Corvettes are whipping along, infected and unvaccinated. They aren't hurting anyone. Right until someone makes a lane change. Sometimes the Corvette can react and avoid infecting someone. Sometimes they just crash and only hurt themselves. Other times they cause a devastating crash.
When you're driving down the highway at 150 MPH, you're not thinking about other people you might infect. You don't know if they will get sick or die. All you're thinking about is your sweet ride. Then one day someone changes lanes and you start a chain reaction, killing 20.
Vaccinate or not, that's your choice. But at least try to keep from infecting others.
PedroMorales
11-06-21, 12:37
Well, maybe because the scientific community, as opposed to the tin foil hat crowd, has rejected the concepts of IFR and herd immunity, and maybe because most studies show natural immunity is inferior to and does not last as long as vaxxing. But I personally am done arguing with anti vaxxers and am ready to just start either holding them down and jabbing them or maybe just fucking shooting them. You are a bunch of selfish fucking assholes and it isn't about you or freedom or personal choice. It is a fucking epidemic and sane people are tired of the restrictions and vaccination is the way to go. Hello? Smallpox? Polio? Measles? You people are stupid, ignorant, selfish fucking assholes and probably engage in felching.I had to look up felching. Externalising the internal?
I had C19 and I currently have a digital passport allowing me travel within the EU. I am unvaccinated and hope to remain so. I never took a flu jab either and hope not to. There is no flu vaccine and nor is there a C19 vaccine.
Herd immunity? What happened to the Spanish flu which was no Spanish? Are they still dropping dead l ike flies in Italy, India, Spain and elsewhere? No?
Smallpox, measles and polio are not like the flu and C19. Apples and giraffes.
You have very serious fascistic issues. Hitler could have used you, if you were really up to the job of slaughtering Slavs. Washing one's hands, keeping away from the infected goes a long way to avoiding the flu and C19.
That was vicious, even dastardly for me to once again slap you with a narcissist's dilemma. All I can say is it's something you can control. Stop trying to include me in your narcissistic fantasies and I'll stop broadsiding you with the narcissist's dilemmas.
I had the experience of living with a narcissist for over 5 years. Although I suspected some personality disorders when we first got together, I was unaware of the extent of them. It wasn't until I inadvertently put her in a narcissist's dilemma, which caused enough physical distress to send her to the hospital, when she was referred to a psychiatrist. Although it didn't fix all her issues, learning to move on from the narcissism helped break her self-destructive cycles which had caused several setbacks in her professional life.
Before I get to what a narcissist's dilemma is, I'm going to detail 2 of your incompatible narcissist fantasies, and explain how they clearly illustrate your issues, which I have told you in the past you should seek professional help to resolve.
The first fantasy happened about 15 months ago. As I reported here, I had experienced 3 symptoms over about 2 weeks, fever, persistent cough and shortness of breath. These are the 3 most common symptoms of Covid. At the time, in my area, Covid testing was only available, by appointment, for those with symptoms. By the time I could work an appointment into my schedule, the symptoms were mostly gone.
While getting tested, the nurse noticed my pulse was very high and brought me into the clinic for an EKG, which showed atrial fibrillation. I ended up spending a night in ICU, where another Covid test was taken. The Covid tests were both negative, my heart rate was brought under control, I was set up with a follow-up appointment with a cardiologist and sent home.
That's where your fantasy began. According to you, I was stupid for thinking I had Covid, and I was stupid for not recognizing the atrial fibrillation. You claimed you immediately recognized the A-Fib and knew more about my health than I did. That last bit is a definite sign of narcissism, claiming superior knowledge without having the knowledge. The only crossover symptom between Covid and A-Fib is shortness of breath. I had no other symptoms, which I could notice. It's tough to get an accurate pulse while driving a truck and there was no chest pain, fatigue or dizziness. On the day it was detected there wasn't even shortness of breath. Even my cardiologist, after hearing the symptoms was surprised that I had no definitive A-Fib symptom.
Your second fantasy, which you recently repeated, was just a few months ago. After a longer than normal week (my normal week is 70 hours), accompanied by 2 flips of my normal sleep schedule I had the following symptoms: fatigue, light headedness, heart palpitations and chest pain. All 4 A-Fib symptoms, with no fever, cough or shortness of breath.
When the symptoms became too severe to ignore I stopped at the last convenience store for 25 miles and called an ambulance. Before the ambulance arrived, I stumbled into the convenience store and collapsed. I was weak and had trouble controlling my extremities, along with extreme dizziness. The EMTs got me loaded up and hooked me to the EKG, so the doctors could see what was going on. They took vitals and except for the pulse, they were good. Blood pressure was up slightly, but not high. No fever and my lungs were clear.
My condition continued to deteriorate, to the point where I couldn't speak and was unable to move. The doctors checked almost everything, including an MRI. They even collected a urine sample, once my condition began to improve, to check if I was on any drugs. After finding nothing definitive, I was released and spent 2 days resting. Once I felt mostly recovered (still with no Covid symptoms) I decided to go ahead with my vacation. It wasn't until almost 2 weeks later when Covid symptoms began to appear. When they did, I left 2 days early for Bogota, and went to be tested.
Once again you claimed I was stupid for not recognizing I had Covid. 3 EMTs, 3 doctors and 4 nurses could find no reason to suspect I had Covid, but you knew. Right? You then went on a hyperbolic rant insinuating I was wiping out the population of Colombia.
Do you recognize how these 2 fantasies are incompatible? When I had symptoms of Covid, I was stupid for thinking I might have Covid. When I had no symptoms of Covid, I was stupid for not knowing I had Covid. In both cases you claimed to know things even my doctors didn't know.
Now to the narcissist's dilemma. It's my own phrase, so I doubt you'll find much about it. I just checked and I am wrong. There goes my Nobel prize.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evolution-the-self/201110/the-narcissists-dilemma-they-can-dish-it-out
In my words, I'll explain it. When I was much younger it could be summed up with 5 words: put up or shut up. It was common for someone to start bragging about their superiority. We didn't have the internet then so it had to be done in the real world. Most people did it face to face, "my car is faster than yours" or "I can kick your ass. " At which point they might hear "put up or shut up. " For most people the issue would be quickly resolved. Either they would recognize their bluff had been called and step back, or the challenge would be accepted and everyone would see who was right.
However, for a narcissist, backing down isn't an option and putting the issue to the test isn't possible. The sole reason they are making claims they can't support is because they feel inadequate. The fear of everyone else discovering their inadequacy is devastating. So they run from the confrontation. Before we had the internet that often literally meant running away and then coming up with constant excuses why they couldn't back their claims.
Of course these days it's much easier. They can run and hide until their symptoms abate and then pretend they were never faced with the dilemma. In extreme cases, they'll create a new account to come in and provide support for their original account. Isn't that right, Elvis? But the one thing they can't do is accept the challenge.
I'll close this with a sincere request. If you're exhibiting signs of narcissism, go get help. You'll be amazed at how much better life becomes when you discover real self worth. I make that request, because I'm also suggesting how to handle narcissts. Put them to the test whenever possible. Every time one pops up, hit them with a dilemma.
This is one of the dumbest takes I have heard during the pandemic. And I have heard it claimed here a few times. So let's exam the logic a little.
Firstly, one would need to verify that one is indeed a greater risk to a puta. This is far from clear. A vaxd person is equally likely to spread CV if they have the virus as an unvaxd person. But is the unvaxd person more likely to have the virus? That is very unclear. On average an unvaxd person has a 38% chance of catching the virus over a 20 day period, whereas a vaxd has 25% chance. However, immunological organizations confirm and agree that everyone will get the virus and everyone will have antibodies sooner or later bcos the vax does not prevent transmission. Furthermore, as time goes on, those stats will change in favour of the unvaxd bcos an ever greater proportion of the sample will have caught the disease and will have antibodies. So the 2 groups will effectively merge in to one with no discernible differences.
It's important to note also that those stats are averages. They say nothing of the circumstances that any individual may have. One could do a hell of a lot to reduce your likelihood of not having the virus when you have sex – go for regular checks, avoid French kissing, make sure you don't go out when you have flu-like symptoms, social distance, take regular exercise, eat a vegan diet, avoid having sex when you're old or obese or have high blood pressure or diabetes (or any other contributory factor), make sure your 2nd vax jab is not more than 2-3 months old, or catch the virus naturally. These actions would be far more effective in reducing transmission than having a vax that is only partially effective. So if one argues that having unvaccinated sex is selfish, then you must accept that having sex while failing to meet any of these conditions is also selfish – I doubt anyone here would accept that.
Furthermore, you could apply the same dumb logic to countless other activities where we all accept an element of risk. Is it selfish to ask a puta to visit you in your apartment bcos she needs to catch a taxi and that carries a risk of accident? Is it selfish to have sex with a puta if you had recent unprotected oral or penetration sex with one else – that carries a risk too? Wearing a bright yellow T-shirt might attract bees and the girl might be allergic to bees! . OMG, we need to put a stop to all interaction!
Finally, what about the girl – the claim ignores her circumstances too. Maybe she already had the virus, maybe she is happy to accept the risk, maybe you told her when you arranged to meet her.
Overall, it is a VERY DUMB claim.
This is one of the dumbest takes I have heard during the pandemic. And I have heard it claimed here a few times. So let's exam the logic a little.Is this an example of being respectful? You are constantly complaining about people being insulting and disrespectful, yet here you are again. If you are going to be so adamant about respectful discourse perhaps something like "I strongly disagree that having sex while unvaccinated is selfish" would be better than your "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" intro.
Firstly, one would need to verify that one is indeed a greater risk to a puta. This is far from clear. A vaxd person is equally likely to spread CV if they have the virus as an unvaxd person. But is the unvaxd person more likely to have the virus? That is very unclear. On average an unvaxd person has a 38% chance of catching the virus over a 20 day period, whereas a vaxd has 25% chance. However, immunological organizations confirm and agree that everyone will get the virus and everyone will have antibodies sooner or later bcos the vax does not prevent transmission. Furthermore, as time goes on, those stats will change in favour of the unvaxd bcos an ever greater proportion of the sample will have caught the disease and will have antibodies. So the 2 groups will effectively merge in to one with no discernible differences."Puta" is a derogatory word. If you must specify, "prostitute" is the respectful term.
Again, I must point out that your statement is incorrect. The study you continue to refer to specifically states that transmission rates for vaccinated and unvaccinated people are only equal within the household environment. All currently available studies show that outside of the household, unvaccinated people have a higher transmission rate than vaccinated people.
Another statement which is not correct is the declaration that everyone will eventually become infected. That's simply not supported. Some, for whatever reason, are not susceptible to the virus.
Your last statement is also incorrect based upon currently available data. We're seeing different levels of protection from different vaccines against different strains. While at some point in the future your statement may be factual, at this time it is not.
It's important to note also that those stats are averages. They say nothing of the circumstances that any individual may have. One could do a hell of a lot to reduce your likelihood of not having the virus when you have sex go for regular checks, avoid French kissing, make sure you don't go out when you have flu-like symptoms, social distance, take regular exercise, eat a vegan diet, avoid having sex when you're old or obese or have high blood pressure or diabetes (or any other contributory factor), make sure your 2nd vax jab is not more than 2-3 months old, or catch the virus naturally. These actions would be far more effective in reducing transmission than having a vax that is only partially effective. So if one argues that having unvaccinated sex is selfish, then you must accept that having sex while failing to meet any of these conditions is also selfish I doubt anyone here would accept that. Haven't you stated an opposition to vaccine mandates? It appears you're suggesting mandates against having sex for people who don't fit into your definition of low risk. Unless you are also insisting all of your sexual partners submit to the same requirements, with proof, before any sexual encounter, your logic seems flawed.
If having sex unvaccinated is selfish, it's because of your risk of infecting others. While there are some ways to reduce your risk of becoming infected, most of what you mentioned are ways to reduce your risk of serious illness or death if you become infected. You understand your contradiction? You claim that everyone will eventually become infected and claim your lifestyle prevents you from becoming infected. Unless you get tested daily, you have no guarantee that you aren't infected.
Furthermore, while there are many communicable diseases, no other which is currently prevalent poses the health risks of Covid. If a girl gives me strep throat, or I give her a cold, complete and rapid recovery is almost certain. Covid however, even cases which aren't severe, poses long term health risks. It's a false equivalence to compare Covid with the common cold.
Furthermore, you could apply the same dumb logic to countless other activities where we all accept an element of risk. Is it selfish to ask a puta to visit you in your apartment bcos she needs to catch a taxi and that carries a risk of accident? Is it selfish to have sex with a puta if you had recent unprotected oral or penetration sex with one else that carries a risk too? Wearing a bright yellow T-shirt might attract bees and the girl might be allergic to bees! . OMG, we need to put a stop to all interaction!Again, referring to something you disagree with as "dumb" is disrespectful. What's worse you have yet to prove the logic is flawed, since the core of your rebuttal is based upon your belief which contradicts the study you use to defend your belief. And again, "puta" is disrespectful.
Life carries risk. Every day, every thing comes with an element of risk. It's both hyperbole and a straw man to say nothing should be done that carries risk, and then declare the risk you pose to others as acceptable.
When you are only risking yourself, that is a personal choice. When you are deciding that risking the health, welfare and lives of others is perfectly acceptable, that's selfishness.
Finally, what about the girl the claim ignores her circumstances too. Maybe she already had the virus, maybe she is happy to accept the risk, maybe you told her when you arranged to meet her.
Overall, it is a VERY DUMB claim.Seriously, can you not see the disrespect? Perhaps if you treated the discussion with respect, you would get respectful responses.
Let's examine it from your situation. If I have read your posts correctly, you have a wife and children and another post of yours indicates they are all living with you. Am I correct in assuming you have not allowed, or freely offered the others in your family the chance to get vaccinated? Are you informing them of the increased risk you pose to them each time you choose to visit a prostitute? Have you asked if they are willing to accept the increased risk? If not, selfish seems to be a fair assessment.
Here's an idea which might work better for you. Adopt an attitude of "fuck it." Do what you want. There's no need to constantly argue that what you choose to do is superior to everyone else's decisions. There's no need to misrepresent studies or rationalize what you want to do. Just say "fuck it" and do what you want.
That would save all of the hypocrisy over respect and disrespect and best of all it covers every eventuality. If someone around you gets sick, fuck it. If they die, fuck it. If you get sick, fuck it.
Now it's clear who Pedro Morales is, Shoobree the Swede, but this time failed to keep his conversations consistent between his handles. Oops. Anyway pal is going to be a long winter down in your momma's basement in Stockholm, eating pickled herring and beating off with the juice of the same. Of course we are never going to see you in Colombia, "southern Europe," purportedly "roughing up Americans" lololol or any other venue this forum is about. You haven't even the balls to stick with one handle, much less do any traveling or start any fights with any ethnic groups you envy. Wink.Not only are you incorrect about everything that you wrote, you also seem to be mentally sick. You're a pathetic weirdo.
We all know that you're hiding in your mothers basement afraid of Covid-19 while I'm out living the life. It can be easy being you, so afraid and weak.
Well, maybe because the scientific community, as opposed to the tin foil hat crowd, has rejected the concepts of IFR and herd immunity, and maybe because most studies show natural immunity is inferior to and does not last as long as vaxxing. But I personally am done arguing with anti vaxxers and am ready to just start either holding them down and jabbing them or maybe just fucking shooting them. You are a bunch of selfish fucking assholes and it isn't about you or freedom or personal choice. It is a fucking epidemic and sane people are tired of the restrictions and vaccination is the way to go. Hello? Smallpox? Polio? Measles? You people are stupid, ignorant, selfish fucking assholes and probably engage in felching.I'm fully vaccinated against C19 and I have to say that you are obviously a nutter ready for the insane asylum.
Well, I'll give you props for doing your homework. You're still wrong, mind you but you did show some modest intelligence by trying to do your research. Here is the problem in what you came up with:
Yes, Sweden does have about 30% of its population having come from other countries but of that 30% (something close to 10% (1/3 of the 30% came from Norway, Denmark and Finland. And then some more came from Germany too. The largest historical group of immigrants are from Finland. In other words your 30% is greatly exaggerated. AND a number of the immigrants that did come to Sweden over the years, intermarried and assimilated which means that although you may have Swedes with one immigrant parent they still possess genetic characteristic of the general Swedish population.You are not only incorrect, what you write is also irrelevant considering the simple fact that it still leaves 20% of the population compared to the 5% in Finland which of course also consists of immigrants from neighboring countries.
More importantly you have failed to take into consideration the number of people with foreign born grandparents.
Well, I'll give you props for doing your homework. You're still wrong, mind you but you did show some modest intelligence by trying to do your research. Here is the problem in what you came up with:
Yes, Sweden does have about 30% of its population having come from other countries but of that 30% (something close to 10% (1/3 of the 30% came from Norway, Denmark and Finland. And then some more came from Germany too. The largest historical group of immigrants are from Finland. In other words your 30% is greatly exaggerated. AND a number of the immigrants that did come to Sweden over the years, intermarried and assimilated which means that although you may have Swedes with one immigrant parent they still possess genetic characteristic of the general Swedish population.Over 2 million are born outside of Sweden and the most common country of birth is Syria followed by Iraq.
You have yet to show any kind of intelligence.
Finally, what about the girl the claim ignores her circumstances too. Maybe she already had the virus, maybe she is happy to accept the risk, maybe you told her when you arranged to meet her.Just because a desperate, ignorant hooker says she is willing to take a risk, does not mean I am willing to PUT her at risk. Because, um, you know, there is a bit of a power disparity between a reasonably wealthy gringo and a desperate, ignorant, maybe strung out hooker. But it certainly doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't give a shit.
On average an unvaxd person has a 38% chance of catching the virus over a 20 day period, whereas a vaxd has 25% chance. .Since this is a foundational statement for your logic that follows it, can you please provide what your basis is for this statement? In the 20+/- months of the pandemic, there is a reported 14% of the US population that has gotten COVID (understanding the % is probably a bit higher given unreported cases). So I'm sure you can understand on some level it is hard to fathom that there's a 25% chance in the next 20 DAYS for vaccinated people. Simple math would imply that over the next year. A vaccinated person would have more than a 99%chance of getting COVID.
USD is getting better against COP. It was 37 xx, now 3870. When will this change to seen on my credit card? I am still getting 37 xx for my most recent transactions.
USD is getting better against COP. It was 37 xx, now 3870. When will this change to seen on my credit card? I am still getting 37 xx for my most recent transactions.It will be the second business day after you see the rate on Xe.com. You can go to https://usa.visa.com/support/consumer/travel-support/exchange-rate-calculator.html and see the up-to-date rate you will get. Monday, you should see 3832 and Tuesday, 3872 (something close to those amounts). Keep in mind, Visa changes the rate at midnight GMT which is 7 pm Colombian time.
It will be the second business day after you see the rate on Xe.com. You can go to https://usa.visa.com/support/consumer/travel-support/exchange-rate-calculator.html and see the up-to-date rate you will get. Monday, you should see 3832 and Tuesday, 3872 (something close to those amounts). Keep in mind, Visa changes the rate at midnight GMT which is 7 pm Colombian time.You are right Fun Luvr the Visa rate is changed at midnight to reflect the days activity and some guesstimate about direction. But The rate set Friday and midnight will be the same for Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
The reason is that Sunday at midnight there is no new data so every weekend is a 3 day weekend so to speak. The rate will change Monday and midnight for Tuesday.
Over 2 million are born outside of Sweden and the most common country of birth is Syria followed by Iraq.
You have yet to show any kind of intelligence.So thank you for all your BS. The question is which country or countries would you compare to Sweden? Step back and get back to the point. I would happily argue with you about the immigration dynamics but this all circles back to comparing what Sweden did to another country that did something different. So Elvis-clone. Which country or countries are the best match and comparison with Sweden?? Despite all your rhetoric. Show me another country or countries that more closely match Sweden. If you can't do that, then stop wasting my time.
For everyone out there who feels that acquired immunity from infection with Covid is superior to getting vaccinated, I have a question.
Why haven't you made an effort to get infected?
At this point roughly 1 in 30 of the population, or more has had Covid. Surely we're all smart enough to figure out how to find an infected, contagious person and spend some time in close proximity to them. The ratio of the population that sells marijuana is much lower and I'm sure none of us would have difficulty finding someone who sells it.
So, what is your reason for not being proactive towards acquiring some natural immunity? Wouldn't it be better to get some immunity before a really bad variant pops up?
VasyaPetya
11-07-21, 07:34
This is one of the dumbest takes I have heard during the pandemic. And I have heard it claimed here a few times. So let's exam the logic a little.
Firstly, one would need to verify that one is indeed a greater risk to a puta. This is far from clear. A vaxd person is equally likely to spread CV if they have the virus as an unvaxd person. But is the unvaxd person more likely to have the virus? That is very unclear. On average an unvaxd person has a 38% chance of catching the virus over a 20 day period, whereas a vaxd has 25% chance. However, immunological organizations confirm and agree that everyone will get the virus and everyone will have antibodies sooner or later bcos the vax does not prevent transmission. Furthermore, as time goes on, those stats will change in favour of the unvaxd bcos an ever greater proportion of the sample will have caught the disease and will have antibodies. So the 2 groups will effectively merge in to one with no discernible differences.
It's important to note also that those stats are averages. They say nothing of the circumstances that any individual may have. One could do a hell of a lot to reduce your likelihood of not having the virus when you have sex go for regular checks, avoid French kissing, make sure you don't go out when you have flu-like symptoms, social distance, take regular exercise, eat a vegan diet, avoid having sex when you're old or obese or have high blood pressure or diabetes (or any other contributory factor), make sure your 2nd vax jab is not more than 2-3 months old, or catch the virus naturally. These actions would be far more effective in reducing transmission than having a vax that is only partially effective. So if one argues that having unvaccinated sex is selfish, then you must accept that having sex while failing to meet any of these conditions is also selfish I doubt anyone here would accept that.
Furthermore, you could apply the same dumb logic to countless other activities where we all accept an element of risk. Is it selfish to ask a puta to visit you in your apartment bcos she needs to catch a taxi and that carries a risk of accident? Is it selfish to have sex with a puta if you had recent unprotected oral or penetration sex with one else that carries a risk too? Wearing a bright yellow T-shirt might attract bees and the girl might be allergic to bees! . OMG, we need to put a stop to all interaction!
Finally, what about the girl the claim ignores her circumstances too. Maybe she already had the virus, maybe she is happy to accept the risk, maybe you told her when you arranged to meet her.
Overall, it is a VERY DUMB claim.Bro, don't argue with covidiots. Its absolutely not worth your time.
Elvis 2008
11-07-21, 08:31
That was vicious, even dastardly for me to once again slap you with a narcissist's dilemma. All I can say is it's something you can control. Stop trying to include me in your narcissistic fantasies and I'll stop broadsiding you with the narcissist's dilemmas.You are not hitting me with a dilemma Professor Shit for Brains. I said it was 50-50 you would stroke out in the next 5 years, and it looks like you have done it already. So tell me Professor, why didn't you have a stroke, the negative MRI? And are you saying stroke symptoms are not related to Covid?
And what did your doctors put down for a final diagnosis, "I don't know"? I heard insurance companies pay out real well for that diagnosis.
Bro, don't argue with covidiots. Its absolutely not worth your time.This is a perfect example of someone that wants to be heard but lacks the wits to formulate any sort of argument so he just insults and runs. Impressive. Wink.
Life carries risk. Every day, every thing comes with an element of risk. It's both hyperbole and a straw man to say nothing should be done that carries risk, and then declare the risk you pose to others as acceptable.
When you are only risking yourself, that is a personal choice. When you are deciding that risking the health, welfare and lives of others is perfectly acceptable, that's selfishness.Reminds me of months ago when he first discovered his new home here in the Colombia forum, while equating Covid with car cashes and asking why no one is calling for the removal of all cars from the road. What he neglected was that there's a world of mitigation going on with cars, safety protocols and inspections, speed limits, seat belt and drunk driving laws, and the list goes on.
I personally doubt he spends much time chasing hookers as so much of his days are spent here typing out fallacious arguments. Wouldn't surprise me for a moment if he's never set foot in Colombia. We have a lot of those around here. Wink.
Bro, don't argue with covidiots. Its absolutely not worth your time.Plus, he's not very good at it, a feeling I'm sure you're familiar with.
Here's a pro-tip:
If you want to discuss a subject, any subject, discuss it. If you're not interested in hearing anything anyone else has to say on the subject, don't discuss it.
It's like your religious beliefs. If you just want a bunch of people to tell you how wonderful they are, go chat with the people at your favorite religious institution. If you want to insist your beliefs are the only ones, go fuck yourself with a rusty cattle prod. There's a third option, but people with strongly held religious beliefs are seldom interested in hearing questions which contradict their dogma. I've noticed it's the same with anti-vaxxers and people who insist on rights which they don't have.
There's much worthy of discussion regarding Covid and vaccines, but only one side wants to have a discussion. The other side has spent the last 20 months insisting:
1. Covid is a hoax.
2. Covid isn't as bad as the flu.
3. Covid is no worse than the flu.
4. Covid is the flu, just a worse type of the flu.
5. Covid is a weapon created by China.
6. Covid is a weapon China created for the US.
7. Covid is just a trick to bring about a "new world order."
8. Vaccines don't work.
9. Vaccines are a trick to inject us with microchips to control us.
10. Vaccines are killing more people than Covid.
And that's without getting into the really wacky shit.
So, if you don't want to have a discussion, there's no need to tell us you don't want to have a discussion. If you just want to throw insults, then jump right in.
And as a side note, you did notice MrE's discovery that:
A. You are subject to have your phone searched in Colombia.
Be. If you refuse they can detain you while the police break into your phone and search it.
I believe you stated otherwise? As I said, you're probably familiar with not being good at all this discussion stuff.
Plus, he's not very good at it, a feeling I'm sure you're familiar with.
Here's a pro-tip: If you want to discuss a subject, any subject, discuss it. If you're not interested in hearing anything anyone else has to say on the subject, don't discuss it.
I am willing to discuss it. I had a very productive chat here a coupla weeks ago, with some guy that presented his arguments in a respectful way. I just refuse to engage with people that cannot attack the argument, only attack the person.
I am not anti-vax. I am anti- unnessary and not very good vax. And also anti-vivisection. But you just lump everyone in to the same bucket to make your life easier to attack.
I said nothing about immigration rights, so that's another bullshlt story. Well done, keep it up.
You are not hitting me with a dilemma Professor Shit for Brains. I said it was 50-50 you would stroke out in the next 5 years, and it looks like you have done it already. So tell me Professor, why didn't you have a stroke, the negative MRI? And are you saying stroke symptoms are not related to Covid?
And what did your doctors put down for a final diagnosis, "I don't know"? I heard insurance companies pay out real well for that diagnosis.You wish to play doctor with me again? My goodness. You also wish access to my insurance information. Surely you recognize that's illegal, counselor.
Let's clear it up. Simple as can be. Name a city in the continental US, only requirement is that the city has at least 2 practicing psychologists. Pick a date. I can do December 6, 13, or 20. I'll choose a psychologist qualified to perform aptitude testing. I'll set 2 appointments. I'll pay in advance for both appointments. We'll both complete the same battery of tests. Takes about an hour. We'll get the results. We'll post the results right here. Low score pays high score $5,000.
You even get the better deal. You can pick a location convenient to you and you don't have to pay for your test. Tell me. What are you afraid of? You keep running away. Every time I offer to test one of your claims, you take off like a scared little bunny and hide in a hole for a few days. Every single time! Come on out and prove yourself.
And why do you always run from my rebuttal? Why not respond to the questions? Here, I'll even make that simple for you, you can even ask a real doctor to help with the answers:
1. If a person is experiencing fever, shortness of breath and a persistent dry cough, should they get a Covid test?
2. If a person has heart palpitations, dizziness and weakness, with a history of atrial fibrillation, without fever, cough, shortness of breath or loss of sense of taste or smell, should they get a Covid test?
Now your original answer was that I was stupid for getting a Covid test for the first scenario and that I was stupid for not getting a Covid test for the second scenario. Do you wish to change your answers, or are you going to pick a city and date so we can get a definitive answer on our comparative intelligence? Or is it going to be scared bunny again? (Spoiler alert. It's going to be scared bunny all the way).
While we're on the subject. You claimed I was spreading Covid throughout Colombia (technically you claimed the entire continent, but I understand your need for hyperbole). However another board member, a person who gives frequent tours in Bogota claims he has had Covid 5 times, giving tours, visiting clubs. A different BM said he had Covid, continued to see girls and got a Certificate of Recovery via a video visit well before completing quarantine. A third BM was positive for Covid and asked for opinions about whether or not he should isolate. All things publicly posted here.
4 people positive for Covid. Only 1 of the 4 immediately went into quarantine upon learning, informed his personal contacts and posted here for anyone who he forgot to inform. 2 others continued business as usual and the last one, if I remember correctly, only took a day or two out of commission. Yet the only one you commented on, the only one you accused of starting a new wave of infections (while also claiming a significant drop in new infections), was the one person who took action to prevent infecting others. Care to explain the discrepancy?
I know the answer. You also know the answer, but only one of us is able to get you the treatment you need.
And let's not forget your own claim of being exposed "hundreds of times. " You forgot to mention how, after each exposure, you isolated for 5-7 days and then got tested to confirm you weren't infected (just did the math, if we're being held to the same standards you've had to isolate for a minimum of just under 3 years over the past 20 months). Or was that just more of your silliness? You can't hold 1 person to a standard while not holding yourself and others to the same standard.
Does December 13 in Dallas work for you? Let's solve this.
Almost forgot. What you said is that I would die from a stroke in the next 5 years. Are you suggesting I'm posting from some afterlife? Did you just call me your Messiah? I think you did!
Don't forget, I also offered you a bet on that one. Let's make it $1 million. Have your lawyer draw it up. I'll get a $1 million life insurance policy with a 5 year term (5 years from July 2021, because I expect you'll still be making that prediction without accepting a wager long after 5 years have passed). Contestability period is 2 years. If I die of stroke or cerebral hemorrhage, you're the beneficiary. If I die of other causes, or survive your escrow of $100,000 comes to me (or my estate). Where else are you going to get 10-1 odds? (Scared bunny mode engaged).
I am willing to discuss it. I had a very productive chat here a coupla weeks ago, with some guy that presented his arguments in a respectful way. I just refuse to engage with people that cannot attack the argument, only attack the person.
I am not anti-vax. I am anti- unnessary and not very good vax. And also anti-vivisection. But you just lump everyone in to the same bucket to make your life easier to attack. (Why would I want to make my life easier to attack?)
I said nothing about immigration rights, so that's another bullshlt story. Well done, keep it up.Sorry, you lost me there. I don't recall mentioning anything recently about immigration rights. Are you confusing me with someone else, or did I post something I don't remember?
As respectfully as possible, I disagree. I just posted a respectful response, pointing out the flaws in your argument. Yet, you had already refused to engage with me, because I offered arguments you couldn't counter. I also pointed out your hypocrisy in regards to your whole "respectful" schtick.
And you have mentioned several times you are anti-vivisection, which was your original reason for not getting vaccinated. It's pretty funny if you think about it. I'm assuming that's also the reason behind the vegan diet? I'm fully supportive of a person's dietary choices and a vegan diet is certainly healthier than my diet. But I always get a good laugh when someone states their choice is because of an unwillingness to participate in the slaughter of "sentient beings. "
I acknowledge, that if I want a nice, thicky juicy stake, cooked rare (just cook it until it stops mooing), some steer is going to have to give its life in order for my horseradish to have something to go on. However, no matter what diet I choose, I'm requiring the slaughter of "sentient beings" along with the destruction of their habitat. It's hard to grow lentils without first clear cutting a forest and burning out what remains.
Every action, every day, to support human life requires non-human life to suffer on a scale which is beyond your imagination. I accept that, because as liberal as I am, or as liberal as I'm accused of being, I prefer sex with humans over sex with animals. Although I admit, I've never given the sheep a chance to prove themselves.
You remind me of a protest I saw outside of a Furrier long ago. All those people with their BMWs waving signs and then climbing back into that nice leather interior.
I am willing to discuss it. I had a very productive chat here a coupla weeks ago, with some guy that presented his arguments in a respectful way. I just refuse to engage with people that cannot attack the argument, only attack the person.
I am not anti-vax. I am anti- unnessary and not very good vax. And also anti-vivisection. But you just lump everyone in to the same bucket to make your life easier to attack.
I said nothing about immigration rights, so that's another bullshlt story. Well done, keep it up.Actually, many of us have attacked your arguments, requested citations, requested sources, etc. It's only because you don't ever provide any meaningful support for any of your inaccurate nonsense, keep repeating it, and are disrespectful while doing so that we eventually started telling you how full of shit you are. You're a Typhoid Mary and you should be incarcerated if you can't modify your dangerous behavior. Or deported back to Never-Never Land or wherever you are from (Scandinavia is my guess).
Elvis 2008
11-07-21, 22:14
You wish to play doctor with me again? My goodness. You also wish access to my insurance information. Surely you recognize that's illegal, counselor.It is not illegal when you go spitting out your medical history over the entire internet professor shit for brains. You ascribe me as being a narcissist than give a medical history so basic for a TIA or mini stroke that if a medical student missed the diagnosis, he would flunk his rotation.
So the notion that eight health care professionals could not come up with what is wrong with you is a fucking lie. They would create a list of possibilities and it not a big list, and #1 on that list would be stroke / mini stroke.
Furthermore, because Covid causes clots, and clots can become strokes, the notion that you had no symptoms of Covid is dead wrong.
In fact, the reason the doctors would not have tested for Covid IMO is because they were so sure of their diagnosis already.
And then you decide to go to Colombia in this weakened state when it is teaming with Covid and the USA has at the time comparably has little. How much did the fact that you were vaccinated and you thought you had 95% immunity factor into that boneheaded decision?
Well, at least now we all know why my posting was bothering your mental state. I said that it was 50-50 you stroke out in the next 5 years and you already had. Instead of dealing with reality, you chose to call me a narcissist.
I told you to be humble, deal with reality, and to focus on your own well being. This long ass pathetic post just shows how sick in the head you are, and I will give you the biggest insult I can. I expected this from you. You are going to die from denial.
My mind is apparently functioning fine. After all I was able to predict you would do the scared, bunny trick from my wagers. Although, that's not really much of a test.
It is not illegal when you go spitting out your medical history over the entire internet professor shit for brains. You ascribe me as being a narcissist than give a medical history so basic for a TIA or mini stroke that if a medical student missed the diagnosis, he would flunk his rotation.
So the notion that eight health care professionals could not come up with what is wrong with you is a fucking lie. They would create a list of possibilities and it not a big list, and #1 on that list would be stroke / mini stroke.If you want to come here, I'll go with you to the hospital and give you access to my medical records. Then you can pretend you're a doctor with the real doctors. Maybe one of them will let you wear his stethoscope.
If you want more detail, come on down. But stroke wasn't on the list, although that was the second thing checked for. There was one possibility that almost certainly isn't on your fictional list. You're the one making the remote diagnosis. Tell me what it could be.
Yes, I spread what I experienced over the internet, especially after the positive Covid test, because others might experience a similar set of symptoms and nobody know to check for Covid.
Furthermore, because Covid causes clots, and clots can become strokes, the notion that you had no symptoms of Covid is dead wrong.
In fact, the reason the doctors would not have tested for Covid IMO is because they were so sure of their diagnosis already.But we've already determined that your opinion isn't worth the price of a pig shit sandwich on moldy bread. After all, your opinion was that Covid was a hoax, that the flu was much worse, that Covid was no worse than the flu, that US deaths would never exceed 40,000, then 80,000, and you scoffed at reports it could exceed 200,000. Maybe, just maybe if you hadn't declared yourself to be all knowing on Covid and then had to change your declarations every week, someone would be interested in your opinion.
But, let's just assume this time, your opinion is not complete bullshit. Tell me Oh Glorious Keeper of All Knowledge, After 6 hours in the ER, would they have let a stroke victim walk out? If your answer is anything but "No" then your opinion is, as already stated, worthless. Would a stroke victim likely been able to drive 40 miles home? Two days later, would a stroke victim been able to drive for 7 hours? The answer is "no" because they wouldn't have released me if they had diagnosed a stroke. They would be trying to find a cause, probably putting me on blood thinners and referring me to a specialist.
One final bit before moving on. There were no blood clots, no stroke, so no symptom of Covid.
And then you decide to go to Colombia in this weakened state when it is teaming with Covid and the USA has at the time comparably has little. How much did the fact that you were vaccinated and you thought you had 95% immunity factor into that boneheaded decision?My weakened state? You're funny. I work a minimum of 70 hours every week, about once a month I'll have an 80 hour week, occasionally, more. Just last Monday I worked from 2 pm until 8 am. That's 18 hours without a break, other than the bathroom and to grab a quick bite. Although I was exhausted from the week before my problem, I wasn't exactly invalid and after 2 days of sleep, I felt back to normal.
As for the comparative Covid rates, at the time of my trip, per capita cases locally were 4 times higher than in Medellin. Besides, have you forgotten again. You claimed ending the lockdown caused a drop in Covid cases, at the time of my trip.
How much did my vaccination status go into my decision? Not much. I took a trip 7 months earlier when there was no vaccine.
Well, at least now we all know why my posting was bothering your mental state. I said that it was 50-50 you stroke out in the next 5 years and you already had. Instead of dealing with reality, you chose to call me a narcissist.
I told you to be humble, deal with reality, and to focus on your own well being. This long ass pathetic post just shows how sick in the head you are, and I will give you the biggest insult I can. I expected this from you. You are going to die from denial.We both know why I called you a narcissist. It's because you're a narcissist. As far as having a stroke, not yet. My medical records are right here for your viewing pleasure. Come out from under your bed and I'll show them to you.
My well being is doing just fine.
So thank you for all your BS. The question is which country or countries would you compare to Sweden? Step back and get back to the point. I would happily argue with you about the immigration dynamics but this all circles back to comparing what Sweden did to another country that did something different. So Elvis-clone. Which country or countries are the best match and comparison with Sweden?? Despite all your rhetoric. Show me another country or countries that more closely match Sweden. If you can't do that, then stop wasting my time.Oh, this is hilarious. I was simply responding to your post, so take a look at yourself. Are you a goldfish? That would explain your short memory.
It's funny how you claim that lockdowns works so well but completely ignore the countries with high mortality rates despite their lockdowns. That's cherry-picking. Simple as that, there's no more to discuss.
What country to compare Sweden with, for real? Are you 5 years old? I would compare it to Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Somalia.
I most certainly wouldn't expect it to be the same as Norway and Finland considering how those countries differ concerning other stats like gang shootings, rapes, healthcare and migration.
You seem to be stuck in the 70's. You must be from the USA, that would explain how you can be so clueless and arrogant at the same time.
Actually, many of us have attacked your arguments, requested citations, requested sources, etc. It's only because you don't ever provide any meaningful support for any of your inaccurate nonsense, keep repeating it, and are disrespectful while doing so that we eventually started telling you how full of shit you are. You're a Typhoid Mary and you should be incarcerated if you can't modify your dangerous behavior. Or deported back to Never-Never Land or wherever you are from (Scandinavia is my guess).You belong in insane asylum.
Sorry, you lost me there. I don't recall mentioning anything recently about immigration rights. Are you confusing me with someone else, or did I post something I don't remember?You wrote "And as a side note, you did notice MrE's discovery that:
A. You are subject to have your phone searched in Colombia.
Be. If you refuse they can detain you while the police break into your phone and search it.
I believe you stated otherwise? As I said, you're probably familiar with not being good at all this discussion stuff. ".
That was in reference to passing thru immigration. I didn't say anything about that. So that was a false accusation.
As respectfully as possible, I disagree. I just posted a respectful response, pointing out the flaws in your argument. Yet, you had already refused to engage with me, because I offered arguments you couldn't counter. I also pointed out your hypocrisy in regards to your whole "respectful" schtick.Well, this response seems a little better, but you usual tone is smug self-righteusness, dripping in condescension, and often outright insults.
You say you called out my hypocrisy, but there is nothing hypocritical in my position. I attack arguments, not people. The only times I insult people is in retaliation to their insults.
Every action, every day, to support human life requires non-human life to suffer on a scale which is beyond your imagination.I don't know why you must say it is beyong my imagination. Are you insulting my imagination now too? I didn't realise you were party to the scope of my imagination.
Veganism is not about elliminating all suffering. It is minimising suffering where possible and practical. We all recognise that life on Earth requires some, often unintentional, suffering. But vegans do not advocate for the elimination of all life on Earth in order to avoid all suffering. Just tread as lightly as one can. That involves not murdering and torturing animals for a whimsical 5 minutes of taste pleasure.
Actually, many of us have attacked your arguments, requested citations, requested sources, etc. It's only because you don't ever provide any meaningful support for any of your inaccurate nonsense, keep repeating it, and are disrespectful while doing so that we eventually started telling you how full of shit you are. You're a Typhoid Mary and you should be incarcerated if you can't modify your dangerous behavior. Or deported back to Never-Never Land or wherever you are from (Scandinavia is my guess).You are one of the members I ignore bcos I hadn't seen any of your responses that were not insulting. And this comment here is another example of your inability to communiacate in a respectful way. So all I can say is go FK urself little fella.
HighOnTravel
11-08-21, 19:27
It is not illegal when you go spitting out your medical history over the entire internet professor shit for brains. You ascribe me as being a narcissist than give a medical history so basic for a TIA or mini stroke that if a medical student missed the diagnosis, he would flunk his rotation.
So the notion that eight health care professionals could not come up with what is wrong with you is a fucking lie. They would create a list of possibilities and it not a big list, and #1 on that list would be stroke / mini stroke.
Furthermore, because Covid causes clots, and clots can become strokes, the notion that you had no symptoms of Covid is dead wrong.
In fact, the reason the doctors would not have tested for Covid IMO is because they were so sure of their diagnosis already.
And then you decide to go to Colombia in this weakened state when it is teaming with Covid and the USA has at the time comparably has little. How much did the fact that you were vaccinated and you thought you had 95% immunity factor into that boneheaded decision?
Well, at least now we all know why my posting was bothering your mental state. I said that it was 50-50 you stroke out in the next 5 years and you already had. Instead of dealing with reality, you chose to call me a narcissist..Bro, gtfo here with your covid fear mongering. Everyone on this planet who steps outside his door will contract covid at one point in their lives.
Oh, this is hilarious. I was simply responding to your post, so take a look at yourself. Are you a goldfish? That would explain your short memory.
It's funny how you claim that lockdowns works so well but completely ignore the countries with high mortality rates despite their lockdowns. That's cherry-picking. Simple as that, there's no more to discuss.
What country to compare Sweden with, for real? Are you 5 years old? I would compare it to Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Somalia.
I most certainly wouldn't expect it to be the same as Norway and Finland considering how those countries differ concerning other stats like gang shootings, rapes, healthcare and migration.
You seem to be stuck in the 70's. You must be from the USA, that would explain how you can be so clueless and arrogant at the same time.I'm not sure you are smart enough to understand the point of the discussion. You are saying that you think CoVid prevention and procedures are related to gang shootings, rapes and healthcare and migration. So on that basis you think Sweden is most closely related and comparable to Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Somalia.
I'm obviously way out of date but everything I've read says that factors like climate, genetic similarities and population density have a lot to do with CoVid transmission. I can't ever remember seeing gang shootings being a related factor. Maybe you would be so kind as to share your sources that point in that direction. Otherwise I think everyone here thinks you are Elvis-in-drag and not capable of an intelligent discussion.
Elvis 2008
11-08-21, 21:48
Let's start from the back and go forward.
My well being is doing just fine.Covid, A-fib, RA, and now a neurological illness that no one supposedly diagnosed that you have determined is not coming back. That is doing fine? Denial with you is a river in Egypt.
One final bit before moving on. There were no blood clots, no stroke, so no symptom of Covid.I could argue that this is so fucking stupid it should go first. Professor Shit for Brains, do you know why people in A-fib have clots and strokes? It is because their blood does not properly flow when the heart is not beating right, and it clots.
Let's go to symptoms of Covid.
You said that you had fatigue, light headedness, heart palpitations and chest pain. You said they were due to A-fib and not Covid. It is possible that is what did it, but on what fucking planet are those not symptoms of Covid? And you are giving everyone lectures on Covid? Do you even know what Covid is you moron?
Oh and you have rheumatoid arthritis? I am sure you think that has nothing to do with blood clots either.
Now when you form blood clots, the body has the mechanism to break up said clots. If the body can break up the clots and the cells can hang on despite the interruption of oxygen and nutrients, they do not die. And if brain cells did not die (or really not that many died) after the dissolution of clots, a brain MRI would be normal. That is how you tell the difference between a stroke and a mini stroke or TIA, the reversal of symptoms in a short period of time.
So, gee, A-fib, RA, Covid, and a reversible neurological event? What could it be? It cannot be blood clots because you said so, and you are the all knowing Professor Shit for Brains.
I didn't say you had a 50% chance of dying from a stroke. Strokes do not kill that often. I said you had a 50% chance of stroking out which means damage or disability from a stroke. And what I meant were stroke symptoms like dizziness, an inability to talk or talk correctly or not using your extremities properly, symptoms you have never had before. Most people who stroke out die from heart attacks.
But that is okay. Your brilliant doctors, the ones who diagnosed you with "I don't know" and did not run a Covid test when you had symptoms, said you are fine, so you should go with that.
As for my opinion, well, this is expected, a trial run. The inability to break up the clots and the location of those failures are what determine the final symptoms of a stroke.
But you do not need to worry because you did not have any clots, and I am not going to debate a moron who is in denial about his health anymore. You are on ignore.
Elvis 2008
11-09-21, 00:47
Bro, gtfo here with your covid fear mongering. Everyone on this planet who steps outside his door will contract covid at one point in their lives.HOT,
I have not been Covid fear mongering, just the opposite. I am making fun of a Democratic douche who at first lectured and fear mongered, then got vaccinated, then got Covid. He had symptoms of Covid but did not know he had it, spread it all over two continents, and after all that is back lecturing about the dangers of Covid (even though he STILL does know Covid symptoms) and the benefits of the vaccine. I WISH I were making that up.
I agree with you. Covid is here to stay and we have to live with it.
Bro, gtfo here with your covid fear mongering. Every unvaccinated moron on this planet who steps outside his door will contract covid at one point in their lives.Fixed that for you!
You wrote "And as a side note, you did notice MrE's discovery that:
A. You are subject to have your phone searched in Colombia.
Be. If you refuse they can detain you while the police break into your phone and search it.
I believe you stated otherwise? As I said, you're probably familiar with not being good at all this discussion stuff. ".
That was in reference to passing thru immigration. I didn't say anything about that. So that was a false accusation.I'm probably going to be disrespectful here.
Maybe you should go back and read that again. Or maybe not, if you prefer to wallow in your ignorance. The person I was responding to, is the person who was saying he couldn't be detained for not unlocking his phone. How did you fail to understand that, and what the fuck does that have to do with "immigration rights?" It wasn't a false accusation, because it had nothing to do with you.
Do you now understand why I have trouble being polite and respectful when I'm inundated with idiots incapable of understanding a couple of simple sentences.
Well, this response seems a little better, but you usual tone is smug self-righteusness, dripping in condescension, and often outright insults.
You say you called out my hypocrisy, but there is nothing hypocritical in my position. I attack arguments, not people. The only times I insult people is in retaliation to their insults.So, let's see if I understand this correctly. Stating, as you did, that vaccination causes Dunning Kruger, in a post that was not in response to anyone who insulted you, is in no way insulting or disrespectful? Is that the statement you are going to stand by? Referring to women, who aren't even on ISG, as "putas" is not insulting or disrespectful? Shall I go on? Your hypocrisy is rather obvious, at least to everyone else.
I don't know why you must say it is beyong my imagination. Are you insulting my imagination now too? I didn't realise you were party to the scope of my imagination.
Veganism is not about elliminating all suffering. It is minimising suffering where possible and practical. We all recognise that life on Earth requires some, often unintentional, suffering. But vegans do not advocate for the elimination of all life on Earth in order to avoid all suffering. Just tread as lightly as one can. That involves not murdering and torturing animals for a whimsical 5 minutes of taste pleasure.I say it's beyond your imagination, because it's beyond most people's imagination,. It's beyond most people's imagination because they don't have any experience with the path from field to table. Because they don't want to know about it. Have you ever worked at farming? I'm not talking about raising a couple of plants in a backyard garden. I'm talking about thousands of acres of farmland. Have you ever been inside a grain mill? Pound for pound a vegan diet results in just as much animal death as an omnivorous diet.
Can you wrap your imagination around that concept, or is it, as I stated, beyond your imagination?
Veganism causes just as much suffering as raising animals for meat. Did you fail to understand, again? I'll go with condescending and insulting here. It would be easier if you knew the difference between a farm and a forest. Let's use beans today. Now, in order to plant beans, I need a field. Which means, since fields aren't naturally occurring, whatever is growing and living on the land where I want to grow beans, needs to be destroyed, wiped out, obliterated. Everything from large mammals down to small reptiles had better run away or it gets killed. If the land was previously a prairie, I could have just put up a fence, brought in some cattle and the cattle could live in harmony with everything else.
But noooo. That would be cruel. We've got to have beans instead. The first step is a controlled burn. You set fire to the prairie and everything living there either gets burned alive, or it runs away, but the habitat is destroyed. Next, you plow the land, destroying anything which might have survived living beneath the soil. After working the soil some more, eventually beans are planted and everything can return to normal.
That's just the beginning. There's so much more to consider, irrigation, harvesting, plus all the little bean eating animals which need to be killed to protect the profits.
It's a cute little concept, "treading as lightly as one can", but it's just a fantasy.
I'm not sure you are smart enough to understand the point of the discussion. You are saying that you think CoVid prevention and procedures are related to gang shootings, rapes and healthcare and migration. So on that basis you think Sweden is most closely related and comparable to Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Somalia.
I'm obviously way out of date but everything I've read says that factors like climate, genetic similarities and population density have a lot to do with CoVid transmission. I can't ever remember seeing gang shootings being a related factor. Maybe you would be so kind as to share your sources that point in that direction. Otherwise I think everyone here thinks you are Elvis-in-drag and not capable of an intelligent discussion.Wow, you're even dumber than I thought. The original claim that I made (which made you cry) was that lockdowns won't guarantee success. That is obviously correct and factual considering the situation in countries like Peru, France, Spain, Italy and so on.
You came in like a clown making false claims acting as if Sweden is exactly the same as Norway and Finland and I gave pointed out several examples which shows how outdated and inaccurate your fake news are.
Anyways, you didn't even have the intelligence to mention that the culture of a country also matters.
Wow, you're even dumber than I thought. The original claim that I made (which made you cry) was that lockdowns won't guarantee success. That is obviously correct and factual considering the situation in countries like Peru, France, Spain, Italy and so on.
You came in like a clown making false claims acting as if Sweden is exactly the same as Norway and Finland and I gave pointed out several examples which shows how outdated and inaccurate your fake news are.
Anyways, you didn't even have the intelligence to mention that the culture of a country also matters.If you want to see dumb. Look in the nearest mirror. The whole discussion came from a post pointing out all the silliness out of the Elvis school of lunacy. You had a hissy fit when I pointed out that Sweden did much worse with CoVid containment than its neighbors who are the best comparison. OH NO says Shoo Bree. The best comparison is Iraq, Iran, Syria and Somalia because of gang shootings and rape. Seriously? That redefines dumb in a way that even Elvis might not try to defend. You are seriously making me reconsider changing the "Elvis School of Lunacy" to the "ShooBree School of the Retarded". Kind of has a nice ring. Don't you think?
I'm probably going to be disrespectful here.
Maybe you should go back and read that again. Or maybe not, if you prefer to wallow in your ignorance. The person I was responding to, is the person who was saying he couldn't be detained for not unlocking his phone. How did you fail to understand that, and what the fuck does that have to do with "immigration rights?" It wasn't a false accusation, because it had nothing to do with you.
Yes you are being disrespectful again. I guess that's just the way many USAns are. They can't help themselves in their "exceptionalism". You wrote "And as a side note, you did notice MrE's discovery that:. " So clearly you were writing to me as your response was to my comment. So calling me ignorant for your incorrect / inaccurate comment just shows what a FKN MORON you are. And yes that whole discussion was about the rights of immigration officials to seach cellphones, so it was everything to do w immigration you FKN MORON.
I am really tired of chatting w you you FKN MORON. So don't expact any more replies from me you FKN MORON.
PedroMorales
11-09-21, 17:55
It is great to see folk blasting away at each other Though this thread is too rich for mas comment (good point on ploughing a field), we cannot have the language of Cervantes abused.
Though puta is the Spanish for hooker, it is also a semi-respectable curse to encompass low class males or females, pick pockets, thieves and the like, something like mother fucker (chinga tu madre) in what passes for English in the USA.
If anyone with an urge to be fast tracked to a morgue wants some racier Spanish, much more brutal insults are at hand.
If you want to see dumb. Look in the nearest mirror. The whole discussion came from a post pointing out all the silliness out of the Elvis school of lunacy. You had a hissy fit when I pointed out that Sweden did much worse with CoVid containment than its neighbors who are the best comparison. OH NO says Shoo Bree. The best comparison is Iraq, Iran, Syria and Somalia because of gang shootings and rape. Seriously? That redefines dumb in a way that even Elvis might not try to defend. You are seriously making me reconsider changing the "Elvis School of Lunacy" to the "ShooBree School of the Retarded". Kind of has a nice ring. Don't you think?Is hilarious, the dork calls comparing his country to it's Nordic neighbors "cheerpicking," then he "cheerypicks" running to countries far away that have little in common with Sweden. In any case, he's never been to Colombia, never will go, and the closest thing he'll ever see to world travel is morphing around ISG as a coward under of host of different user names. This record played out over a year ago. He must be very bored down in momma's basement to come by here trying for a rerun.
It is great to see folk blasting away at each other Though this thread is too rich for mas comment (good point on ploughing a field), we cannot have the language of Cervantes abused.
Though puta is the Spanish for hooker, it is also a semi-respectable curse to encompass low class males or females, pick pockets, thieves and the like, something like mother fucker .Thk you for posting some sense. Quite rare in this section. Not only is puta not an insult, but it is also impossible to insult people that are not present and party to the words. . Never heard anything so ridiculous. Fkn moron. Haha.
Though puta is the Spanish for hooker, it is also a semi-respectable curse to encompass low class males or females, pick pockets, thieves and the like, something like mother fucker (chinga tu madre) in what passes for English in the USA.Where I live, they use 'puta' as a random filler word, even when two women are talking. The same way some English speakers use 'fucken' as filler or punctuation. They use 'mierda' the same way, just in random conversation. Example: 'Ayer puta fui al supermercado. Mierda, mucha gente. Pero puta, buenas gangas. ' Yesterday I went to the fucking supermarket. Shit, there were a lot of people. But fuck did I get some good bargains. Like that.
Is hilarious, the dork calls comparing his country to it's Nordic neighbors "cheerpicking," then he "cheerypicks" running to countries far away that have little in common with Sweden. In any case, he's never been to Colombia, never will go, and the closest thing he'll ever see to world travel is morphing around ISG as a coward under of host of different user names. This record played out over a year ago. He must be very bored down in momma's basement to come by here trying for a rerun.You make some very good points. I can't imagine anyone who would think Sweden is most like various Middle-Eastern countries because they took on some immigrants. I have to wonder if ShooBree is a second account for Elvis or MarquisdeSade1.
It is great to see folk blasting away at each other Though this thread is too rich for mas comment (good point on ploughing a field), we cannot have the language of Cervantes abused.
Though puta is the Spanish for hooker, it is also a semi-respectable curse to encompass low class males or females, pick pockets, thieves and the like, something like mother fucker (chinga tu madre) in what passes for English in the USA.
If anyone with an urge to be fast tracked to a morgue wants some racier Spanish, much more brutal insults are at hand.The bottom line is that puta is a derogatory word in Spanish when referencing prostitutes. The neutral word would be "prostituta. " Thus JustTK's hypocrisy with his constant whimpering about other posters treating him with disrespect was exposed. Yet again as it was already exposed with his calling those who disagree with him or ask for source citations "dumb."
The thread is "rich" though I agree, as it's full of keyboard warriors in basements over in Europe who've never been to Colombia and surely never will go. They can't afford the airfare. They exist only in ISG on the free for all threads.
If you want to see dumb. Look in the nearest mirror. The whole discussion came from a post pointing out all the silliness out of the Elvis school of lunacy. You had a hissy fit when I pointed out that Sweden did much worse with CoVid containment than its neighbors who are the best comparison. OH NO says Shoo Bree. The best comparison is Iraq, Iran, Syria and Somalia because of gang shootings and rape. Seriously? That redefines dumb in a way that even Elvis might not try to defend. You are seriously making me reconsider changing the "Elvis School of Lunacy" to the "ShooBree School of the Retarded". Kind of has a nice ring. Don't you think?Yikes, it's easy to see that you're the retard given that your only argument is "mirror, mirror on the wall". You're simply too stupid to understand simple facts & stats, not to mention your inability to draw any reasonable conclusions.
You probably should work on your reading comprehension because you haven't understood a god damn thing.
You make some very good points. I can't imagine anyone who would think Sweden is most like various Middle-Eastern countries because they took on some immigrants. I have to wonder if ShooBree is a second account for Elvis or MarquisdeSade1.Shoobree operates under a number of different user names as his posts kept getting removed. Then he found the free for all threads in the country specific forums that he's never been to, nor will he ever go to. Others have tried to use immigration as an excuse for Sweden's dismal Covid performance when compared to their neighbors, but the same also have high rates of immigration from Africa and the Middle East. In fact Norway has a higher percentage of immigrants, 16.8 percent to Sweden's 14.
He also was for a long time pretending to be an American in the American politics forums, of course pushing racism and MAGAism. Yet another Magat without the dinero for a plane ticket, thus they has nothing relevant to contribute to the discussions here. Wink.
PedroMorales
11-10-21, 17:36
The bottom line is that puta is a derogatory word in Spanish when referencing prostitutes. The neutral word would be "prostituta. " Thus JustTK's hypocrisy with his constant whimpering about other posters treating him with disrespect was exposed. Yet again as it was already exposed with his calling those who disagree with him or ask for source citations "dumb."
The thread is "rich" though I agree, as it's full of keyboard warriors in basements over in Europe who've never been to Colombia and surely never will go. They can't afford the airfare. They exist only in ISG on the free for all threads.Are you for real? This thread is hilarious. I have no intention of ever going to Colombia though, like most civilized people, I love the writing of Gabriel García Márquez, who would never use such a dumb ass word to describe a puta.
Unless he was speaking Latin.
As regards not being able to afford the airfare, here is a flight for less than 500 $. https://www.gotogate.co.uk/rf/result?selectionKey=TP1015-12Jan22-T_TP209-12Jan22-T_CM803-13Jan22-A_CM494-13Jan22-A_NK3103-26Jan22-Y_NK3119-26Jan22-Y_TP204-26Jan22-T_TP1016-27Jan22-T%2C1ynruh9%2C%3A%3Ag_0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0%3Ah_0.0.0.0.1.1.1.1%3Aa_OV.SC.ES.UM.K0.UE.13G.OV%3Ab_C%3Ac_R%3Ad_69140%3Ae_7b66%3Af_5%3Ai_1.0.0%3Aj_E0%3Az_1ni6f9.
Most parts of Western Europe have higher median wages than the USA ie Big Mac land. Plus, Europeans actually get holidays.
By all means, insult away so we can laugh at you but don't insult your European betters. Few Europeans live in basements BTW https://www.quora.com/Do-houses-in-Europe-have-basements.
Nut as you probably can't afford the fare to the civilized world from your NYNY / Chicago slum, you probably don't know that.
Yes you are being disrespectful again. I guess that's just the way many USAns are. They can't help themselves in their "exceptionalism". You wrote "And as a side note, you did notice MrE's discovery that:. " So clearly you were writing to me as your response was to my comment. So calling me ignorant for your incorrect / inaccurate comment just shows what a FKN MORON you are. And yes that whole discussion was about the rights of immigration officials to seach cellphones, so it was everything to do w immigration you FKN MORON.
I am really tired of chatting w you you FKN MORON. So don't expact any more replies from me you FKN MORON.Once again, being disrespectful by accusing all US citizens of a trait exhibited by one (with provocation). If you're going to constantly paste your hypocrisy across the board, you should expect it's going to be noticed.
Here's the post of mine you're referring to. It was a reply to VasyaPetya. His post was directed to you. My post only referred to you in the opening line.
Plus, he's not very good at it, a feeling I'm sure you're familiar with.
Here's a pro-tip:
If you want to discuss a subject, any subject, discuss it. If you're not interested in hearing anything anyone else has to say on the subject, don't discuss it.
It's like your religious beliefs. If you just want a bunch of people to tell you how wonderful they are, go chat with the people at your favorite religious institution. If you want to insist your beliefs are the only ones, go fuck yourself with a rusty cattle prod. There's a third option, but people with strongly held religious beliefs are seldom interested in hearing questions which contradict their dogma. I've noticed it's the same with anti-vaxxers and people who insist on rights which they don't have..It seems silly to need to explain simple pronouns to someone, but you obviously don't understand the usage.
"Plus, he's not very good at it, a feeling I'm sure you're familiar with."
In this sentence, "he" refers to you, since I'm responding to someone who responded to you. "You're" refers to VasyaPetya, the person I'm responding to. Because it seems likely you'll fuck this part up too, "I" refers to me.
He = JustTK.
You = VasyaPetya.
I = Jjbee62.
Got that bit cleared up now have we?
If we skip through the middle of the post, which is general advice which applies to everyone, we get to the part where you failed to understand something quite simple.
"And as a side note, you (VasyaPetya) did notice MrE's discovery that:
A. You (VasyaPetya) are subject to have your phone searched in Colombia.
Be. If you (VasyaPetya) refuse they can detain you (VasyaPetya) while the police break into your (VasyaPetya's) phone and search it.
I believe you (VasyaPetya) stated otherwise? As I said, you're (VasyaPetya is) probably familiar with not being good at all this discussion stuff."
Clear as can fucking be you incestuous, festering twat.
Now to top it with a bit of chutney.
"Immigration Rights" refers to the rights of immigrants. Immigration is the process through which immigrants emigrate to a different country. Each country has established rights which apply to immigrants and the process of immigration.
The discussion about searching phones never once mentioned immigration and at this point it seems more likely such searches are conducted by airport security personnel, rather than immigration or customs.
If you're trying to say "fucking moron" just type it out. It's allowed. None of us are 10 years old and mother won't punish you if you say, or type "fucking."
Any questions? From the very beginning, you've been fucking yourself in the ass with your logical fallacies, hypocrisy, misrepresentations and outright lies. Then you accuse everyone else of touching your butt, when they point out the obvious.
Thk you for posting some sense. Quite rare in this section. Not only is puta not an insult, but it is also impossible to insult people that are not present and party to the words. . Never heard anything so ridiculous. Fkn moron. Haha.You left out the disrespectful part, dumbfuck. Or are you once again practicing your hypocrisy?
There is an entire category of words which are considered disrespectful and insulting, whether or not they are directed at an individual.
Let's try a couple you're probably familiar with: Coon and Dago. There are thousands of others but these will suffice.
If you were to say something like "all these coons are ruining this place", or "A couple of Dagos were here yesterday" it's insulting, whether they specified groups are present. And you know it's insulting. If you're walking around El Centro you don't start yelling "puta" at every girl.
However, as is common with racists, bigots and misogynists, you feel it's perfectly acceptable if no woman is around to hear it.
Normally, I wouldn't mention it, except of your constant bullshit whining about people being disrespectful and insulting.
.......Most parts of Western Europe have higher median wages than the USA ie Big Mac land. Plus, Europeans actually get holidays.
By all means, insult away so we can laugh at you but don't insult your European betters. Few Europeans live in basements BTW https://www.quora.com/Do-houses-in-Europe-have-basements.
Nut as you probably can't afford the fare to the civilized world from your NYNY / Chicago slum, you probably don't know that.WoW are you in need of a remedial history lesson. Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies. And the only reason you have the right to blow your hot air this direction is because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars. But for that you would be clicking your heels and spraying your spit when you talk. OH yes and you have the luxury to share your obnoxious, uneducated opinions with us is because we created the internet to allow it. So you can keep writing your Euro-crap. Maybe ShooBree will agree with you.
Where I live, they use 'puta' as a random filler word, even when two women are talking. The same way some English speakers use 'fucken' as filler or punctuation. They use 'mierda' the same way, just in random conversation. Example: 'Ayer puta fui al supermercado. Mierda, mucha gente. Pero puta, buenas gangas. ' Yesterday I went to the fucking supermarket. Shit, there were a lot of people. But fuck did I get some good bargains. Like that.Okay. Let's make it simple. Where you live, walk up to any woman you don't know and say "eres puta. " A statement, not a question. What type of reaction would you expect? Better yet, try it in front of her husband or father. Is everyone laughing and having a good time?
The girls in Medellin say "hijaputa" all the time. Among friends it's acceptable. Using it with strangers is not a good idea.
WoW are you in need of a remedial history lesson. Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies. And the only reason you have the right to blow your hot air this direction is because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars. But for that you would be clicking your heels and spraying your spit when you talk. OH yes and you have the luxury to share your obnoxious, uneducated opinions with us is because we created the internet to allow it. So you can keep writing your Euro-crap. Maybe ShooBree will agree with you.Yep we have a bunch of whining, whimpering, ungrateful and envious Euros amongst us, all sources of both nausea and amusement. Not to mention that there's no shortage of broke dumbasses over there, as is seen in this hooker forum day after day. Keep dreaming of Colombia guys. Wink.
You make some very good points. I can't imagine anyone who would think Sweden is most like various Middle-Eastern countries because they took on some immigrants. I have to wonder if ShooBree is a second account for Elvis or MarquisdeSade1.You have already disqualified yourself from any serious discussion by claiming Sweden to be "genetically homogeneous" and acting as if all the Nordic countries are exactly the same.
No matter what childish insults you throw at me the fact remains that, unlike you, I have actually managed to back up my statements with facts and statistics.
You have yet to explain how lockdowns can be so great while at the same time Peru has twice the number of deaths per capita compared to Brazil and Colombia.
You also have to explain how the number of deaths per capita can be less or roughly the same in Sweden as it is in other Western European countries such as France, the UK, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Portugal and Switzerland.
WoW are you in need of a remedial history lesson. Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies. And the only reason you have the right to blow your hot air this direction is because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars. But for that you would be clicking your heels and spraying your spit when you talk. OH yes and you have the luxury to share your obnoxious, uneducated opinions with us is because we created the internet to allow it. So you can keep writing your Euro-crap. Maybe ShooBree will agree with you.Haha, oh god you really are stuck in the past!
Its embarrassing to see the moronic shit you write, Europeans are working for European companies. The high paying jobs are with European companies. I don't know anyone who works for an American company. It always amuses me to visit Japan and hear what they think of the Americans they have had the displeasure of dealing with.
And lets face it, there are not many USAns working in Silicon Valley. You Americans are too stupid and uneducated to do the work properly so the companies have to hire Asians and Europeans.
And how about the American car industry, its shit. Its the worst shit I've ever seen, and I've seen French cars. Don't even get me started on Air Boeing. USA is dependend on tariffs because no one outside the US wants to buy their shit. Why? Because you are incompetent, you should have realized that a long time ago but you didn't as you USAns suffers from the Dunning Kruger-effect.
USA is about to go belly upp, just look at the debt and trade deficit.
The problem with you isn't only your lack of education, its the combination of how uneducated and arrogant you are.
USAns are a bit like King Midas but whatever you touch turns to shit. If you want to make something into an overprised tourist trap just send in the USAns! Because you have no clue about anything. You tip when no one else will tip and you overpay because you're ignorant&arrogant.
Its 2021, and you are still stuck in the 70's.
Once again, being disrespectful by accusing all US citizens of a trait exhibited by one (with provocation). If you're going to constantly paste your hypocrisy across the board, you should expect it's going to be noticed.I wrote "many USAns", not "all", you fkn moron.
because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars..In the Second World War the USA was too cowardly to enter until it was half way over and until the Europeans (mostly Russians and Brits, but also plenty of rebels from defeated countries) had blunted Hitler. The prospect of genocide against the Jews was not enough of a provocation to enter the war for the USA. Oh no, no. They had to wait for a selfish reason to enter. The Japanese sank a few of the ships in Pearl Harbour. Ah diddums.
How cowardly to claim victory when you only turn up after the fighting is done. It reminds me of the Galdiator movie when Commodus turns up in Germania to claim the glory just as Maximus has finished the barbarians off. You guys and your warped versions of history make me laugh.
You have yet to explain how lockdowns can be so great while at the same time Peru has twice the number of deaths per capita compared to Brazil and Colombia.
You also have to explain how the number of deaths per capita can be less or roughly the same in Sweden as it is in other Western European countries such as France, the UK, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Portugal and Switzerland.Aks them to explain the stats in South Korea. No lockdown. Lockdowns were clearly not necessary. They were a tool that was used with highly variable results. Results that indicate that there were more important factors at play.
Elvis 2008
11-11-21, 00:33
Yikes, it's easy to see that you're the retard given that your only argument is "mirror, mirror on the wall". You're simply too stupid to understand simple facts & stats, not to mention your inability to draw any reasonable conclusions.
You probably should work on your reading comprehension because you haven't understood a god damn thing.Oh, he gets it, Shoobree. While Viliany is not trying to get laid solving calculus problems (one of these days it will work for sure), you have to understand that he and all the rest of these Democratic douches are not trying to be logical but working on their douche scores. The only way these guys can be so irrational is that they are getting paid for it and with these douches, the feeling not the reality but the feeling is that if they are good douches with high scores the government gravy train will not stop for them.
So how do you be a good douche? You just point and hate.
Trump: evil. Trump voters: more evil. And then you go down the list: Putin, Joe Rogin, Aaron Rogers, Dennis Prager, Sweden, those not vaccinated, and lately parents AKA domestic terrorists in Virginia (that one did not work out so well).
The douches are in foul mood because of Virginia, and they know what is coming.
You are a bad douche if you criticize Fauci because he is on your team. He did not fund development of the virus because he says so, and you cannot criticize China for making and screwing up and releasing the virus. No, that is racist, but Sweden is mostly white so they are fair douche game.
You will never beat a douche. They will never admit they are wrong. What they will do is go silent. They will debate censoring Trump on Twitter but when you tell them that their stupid censoring led to Trump starting his own media company which put $4 billion in his pocket they will be silent. That is really a foreshadow of things to come.
They demonize those who do not get vaccinated as selfish because they are spreading Covid (even though getting the vax does not prevent transmission), but when one of their own is symptomatic and spreads the virus over 2 continents, it is crickets. You cannot criticize your fellow douche. It hurts your score.
The douches wanted to destroy the world economy so Trump would not get re-elected. Mission accomplished, but they thought they could just turn it back on, and it does not work that way. I think the funniest issue is on oil. Do you get what a great unifier Joe Biden is? The prices on oil and gas have skyrocketed, and there is a ton, I mean a ton, of spare capacity in the system. You have a very diverse set of producers in OPEC, in Russia, and the American oil companies. Inevitably, one country or group would increase capacity to get at the spare cash and drive the price down. Because of Joe Biden, no one is cheating, and prices are up and staying there. The American rig count is half of what it was when oil was this high before.
So Sweden's greatest sin was not participating in the destruction of the world economy to get rid of Trump. Everyone else was willing to do it. The reason that Sweden did not is this was not up to the pols. It was the only country that had a health care professional in charge, and he had the audacity to look at lockdowns and say they have not been proven to work with Covid. Do no harm again.
And my hat is off to the Colombian people who also did not allow their government to destroy their economy by fighting lockdowns.
The douches are going to have to pull out all the stops in 2022 and 2024 and it is not going to work. For people who so hate Trump, no one can match him financially now. His being president in 2024 now is virtually his choice. And this time, Trump will have his personnel (and not Bush's personnel) to drain the swamp, and all these douches will be deprived of their precious swamp water and only then will these douches perish. It is not going to be reason or logic that does them in but their own stupid douche plans for domination.
PedroMorales
11-11-21, 00:37
WoW are you in need of a remedial history lesson. Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies. And the only reason you have the right to blow your hot air this direction is because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars. But for that you would be clicking your heels and spraying your spit when you talk. OH yes and you have the luxury to share your obnoxious, uneducated opinions with us is because we created the internet to allow it. So you can keep writing your Euro-crap. Maybe ShooBree will agree with you.You have watched too many Audie Murphy movies. Have you seen Colditz where US prisoners escape? In reality, none escaped. And Americans did no serious fighting in Europe. Bar the Ardennes where they were surrender monkeys and shot prisoners out of hand.
90% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front. The Yanks came in late, robbing and raping all round them. They even make movies boasting about their thieves.
Now off you go and polish up your brasses on the USS Harvey Milk.
This Brit invented the Internet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee Americans do not invent. They just rob (from German physicists after WW2) and rape. Away and eat your Big Mac and Coke.
PedroMorales
11-11-21, 01:04
Aks them to explain the stats in South Korea. No lockdown. Lockdowns were clearly not necessary. They were a tool that was used with highly variable results. Results that indicate that there were more important factors at play.Too stupid. He thinks these 50 (non Brit) European companies are American. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURO_STOXX_50.
Even European heroes are better.
MarquisdeSade1
11-11-21, 02:15
The type of rationale during this thing has been inconceivable to me. If you are vaxed then it is okay for you to come in and spead the disease around. If you are unvaxed, don't you dare come in here and spread the disease that you don't have around. So it is better for a vaxed person that is infected to come in than an unvaxed person that is not infected? If you are vaxed with the disease then we are happy to continue being your employer. If you are unvaxed without the disease then turn in your ID. What logically should matter is if the person is infected, regardless of their vaccination status.
The world has gone crazy. Nobody ever came and made sure I was wearing a condom so I would not get AIDS, never came to make sure I was wrapped up so I did not catch pneumonia, never came to make sure my seat belt was on so I did not die in an accident, never made sure my shoes were tied so I did not trip and fall. But now everyone is dead set on making sure I am vaxed so I don't get Covid to the point that I can not work or enter certain establishments without being so. This type of thinking must be well beyond my paygrade or from another world.https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/08/reality-dysphoria/
KyoHiromitsu
11-11-21, 02:57
Aks them to explain the stats in South Korea. No lockdown. Lockdowns were clearly not necessary. They were a tool that was used with highly variable results. Results that indicate that there were more important factors at play.No government tells the truth about Covid. Statistics are meaningless. For example: Japan has like 225 cases today and No lockdown. DO you actually believe it? Statistics can be manipulated in a thousand ways.
Elvis 2008
11-11-21, 03:31
You have yet to explain how lockdowns can be so great while at the same time Peru has twice the number of deaths per capita compared to Brazil and Colombia.In reality, it is because Peru had a different strain of the virus. Their living conditions (remarkably stable climate, sea level altitude, and crowded living conditions in Lima) made it ideal for the virus to spread. See the link: https://www.contagionlive.com/view/the-transmissible-lambda-variant-is-dominant-strain-in-peru.
If you are going to make a side by side comparison, you have to know which variants there are, how cases are reported, how the diagnosis is made, and how one determines if Covid was the cause of death or just along for the ride, and no one cared if that data was accurate. In Italy, of all the death attributed to Covid, only about 3% did not have comorbid risk factors. I have seen dozens of people with low oxygen and in respiratory distress, some in their 20's. On the other, I have seen exactly one person declared dead with Covid, a 93 year old with leukemia, a dubious claim to be sure.
On top of that, you have to account for other decisions. Sweden's early high death rate was much like New York's in that the vulnerable elderly were not isolated from those contaminated with Covid. That decision about the elderly is not factored into with Sweden by the media. No, the death rate was higher because they did not lock down.
I saw a few days ago reports of a study published in Bloomberg, Fortune, BBC, Guardian (look them up on search "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" that verify that the vaxd are just as transmissable WRT the virus as the unvaxd. So the vaxd and the unvaxd are equally as likely to pass the virus on to any vulnerable / imuno-compromised person.
So now it is really indisputable that the unvaxd are only an increased danger to themselves. So there is no more excuse for the persecution of the unvaxd to continue.Hi JustTK,
Apologies for not responding to you earlier, I have been very busy at work. I am also an ultra runner, so there are always days where I just run, eat, and sleep, and don't do anything else.
I did not know that your objection to the vaccine was primarily because of ethical reasons. I fully agree that lots of unsavory things happen at pharma, but it stands to reason how much blame can be put on them in this instance, since testing was required by law. Here is PETA's take on this:
"The goal of being vegan and advocating for animal rights should always be to bring about positive change for animals. As long as tests on animals are a legal requirement, refusing to take a medicine on ethical grounds will not help animals who have already been used in tests or spare any the same fate in the future. ".
https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/vegans-covid-19-vaccine/
So while there are differing opinions, I think no reasonable person would / should give you too much grief if you cite plausible ethical concerns for not getting vaccinated. Taking this into account, I would still argue you should get vaccinated in part because prolonging the pandemic invariably will result in more animal experiments being carried out, which is completely counter to what you want to achieve. Perfect can be the enemy of good.
That said, in many of your posts it seems you are grasping for straws, trying to come up with additional explanations why people shouldn't get vaccinated (and I suspect this is because you want this to be true). Unfortunately, this is where the wheels are coming off in your reasoning, as several people have pointed out. Your post on "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" is another example in my opinion, as it seems to escape you what conditional probabilities are. What is the chance a person from Utah you see is a Mormon? What is the chance a person from Utah you see is a Mormon, given he is lying drunk in the gutter? Totally different. The same thing in the paper you cite, which reports on transmissions in a household *given the vaccinated person had a breakthrough infection. It is not very surprising if you spend an extended period of time with an infectious person that you don't see a big difference in rates of transmissions comparing breakthrough and natural infections (even though by all accounts people with natural infections are infectious for a longer time). If you had read the manuscript, you probably would have noticed this sentence in the abstract:
"Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts."
Reducing this to "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" is absurd. I am going back to my first response to you: it is not helpful to "amplify stuff you read somewhere without understanding the meaning of it. Be better. And dare to think for yourself. " I fully respect your ethical concerns, but I don't think you are doing yourself a favor peddling some nonsensical soundbites.
In the Second World War the USA was too cowardly to enter until it was half way over ...Just one simple question JustTK, how do you determine when a war is half way over while it is in progress?
Pound for pound a vegan diet results in just as much animal death as an omnivorous diet.
Veganism causes just as much suffering as raising animals for meat. Hi JjBee62,
I started reading some of the posts on this board a few weeks ago, and you always struck me as a very level-headed guy. This post however was a bit of a head scratcher.
I am not a vegan, but I fully recognize how much damage to the planet and animal suffering is caused by the meat industry. With all due respect, your rationale and bean examples seem a bit underwhelming in light of the fact that less than 10% of all soy is used for human food products such as tofu and soy milk, and a large number of studies suggest that global land use could drop tremendously if everybody went vegan (for example https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaq0216). I recognize that I might be missing something, and I'd certainly be open to change my mind if you can corroborate your statements. I also recognize that this board is not about diet choices, but then, I didn't start it.
Ethical concerns aside, I disagree with most of JustTK's statements about vaccination, but that doesn't mean I have to disagree with him if he says the sky is blue.
How cowardly to claim victory when you only turn up after the fighting is done.Clearly the only coward here is you, spending hours each day taking pot shots at Americans on a long established American owned website, and from the safety of your computer hiding out in Europe somewhere. The greatest contribution of the US in World War II involved production of war materials, producing more airplanes than all of the other major powers combined. And Stalin was propped up by our supplies, including 400,000 trucks and billions of dollars worth of airplanes. And such supply routes to the east were created by our fighting efforts in the Mediterranean, especially Africa and Italy along with the British. We were also instrumental in the liberation of France, the defeat of the Japanese in the South Pacific, and for bringing about a sure end with the invention of the atom bomb. To say we only showed up when it was over is asinine to the point where it could only come from a little vegan boy trolling day in and day out in a hooker forum, whining about how everyone is picking on him.
A lot of Euros love to run their mouths, until they need us, and they inevitably do. The two World Wars are just two of many examples, and of many more to come.
Happy Veterans Day everyone.
PedroMorales
11-11-21, 11:06
What a polite post. A better analogy might have been a vaccinated Mormon who hangs around with high risk folk. Most Westerners seem to be now vaccinated (sic) with one or other of the approved shots. Austria is insisting on 3 shots (to save their ski industry) and Israel is just a land of Guinea pigs anyway.
Americans and those they influence just want a comfort blanket. Take the clot shot and you will be fine until the next shot.
I got Covid and have a travel cert valid for three more months. I practice social distancing though some avoid / are wary of me lest I Typhoid Mary them.
I have hepatitis shots but I do not have flue shots as the latter is a virus that has been with us for centuries but largely vanished last year because of social distancing. Big Pharma rushed out their clot shots. They have a history of lying and price gouging. East Asians have the social discipline for social distancing and lockdowns. Americans and Brits do not. They prefer anarchy and comfort blankets.
Hi JustTK,
Your post on "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" is another example in my opinion, as it seems to escape you what conditional probabilities are. What is the chance a person from Utah you see is a Mormon? What is the chance a person from Utah you see is a Mormon, given he is lying drunk in the gutter? Totally different. .
In the Second World War the USA was too cowardly to enter until it was half way over and until the Europeans (mostly Russians and Brits, but also plenty of rebels from defeated countries) had blunted Hitler. The prospect of genocide against the Jews was not enough of a provocation to enter the war for the USA. Oh no, no. They had to wait for a selfish reason to enter. The Japanese sank a few of the ships in Pearl Harbour. Ah diddums.
How cowardly to claim victory when you only turn up after the fighting is done. It reminds me of the Galdiator movie when Commodus turns up in Germania to claim the glory just as Maximus has finished the barbarians off. You guys and your warped versions of history make me laugh.How quaint. So you have rewritten history to diminish the role the US played. How sweet. I'm sure you are ignorant that even before the US was actively fighting the war in Europe. They sent vast amounts of supplies via convoys to both Great Britain and to Russia. The US supply ships probably saved Great Britain from having to raise the white flag. But of course, not knowing anything about WWII I'm sure you were unaware.
The genocide of the Jews was not well know until the camps were overrun at the end of the war.
It's OK. I understand you recreate whatever doesn't fit your own preconceived notions. This is evidenced by your complete ignorance of history and your laughable understanding of the efficacy of the vaccine against the CoVid virus. It must be nice to live in your little hovel of ignorance.
Oh, he gets it, Shoobree. While Viliany is not trying to get laid solving calculus problems (one of these days it will work for sure), you have to understand that he and all the rest of these Democratic douches are not trying to be logical but working on their douche scores. The only way these guys can be so irrational is that they are getting paid for it and with these douches, the feeling not the reality but the feeling is that if they are good douches with high scores the government gravy train will not stop for them.
So how do you be a good douche? You just point and hate.
Trump: evil. Trump voters: more evil. And then you go down the list: Putin, Joe Rogin, Aaron Rogers, Dennis Prager, Sweden, those not vaccinated, and lately parents AKA domestic terrorists in Virginia (that one did not work out so well)..Douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche.
That's the only thing you ever say.
Douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche, douche.
Everyone I know stopped using the word in the 6th grade when we found out where douches go. One day you'll know too.
You have watched too many Audie Murphy movies. Have you seen Colditz where US prisoners escape? In reality, none escaped. And Americans did no serious fighting in Europe. Bar the Ardennes where they were surrender monkeys and shot prisoners out of hand.
90% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front. The Yanks came in late, robbing and raping all round them. They even make movies boasting about their thieves.
Now off you go and polish up your brasses on the USS Harvey Milk.
This Brit invented the Internet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee Americans do not invent. They just rob (from German physicists after WW2) and rape. Away and eat your Big Mac and Coke.Every thing you said is either mistaken or a lie. You tell me which?
90% of the casualties weren't at the Eastern Front but it certainly was the highest percentage. Mostly because a complete German army was abandoned and not permitted to retreat during the battle of Stalingrad.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Stalingrad
If it had not been for the American supplies and equipment sent to Great Britain and Russia you wouldn't be able to manufacture your version of history.
Oh and BTW you are full of shit about who invented the internet as well.
https://www.history.com/news/who-invented-the-internet
The scientist you reference above, came along later and developed the WWW methodology. BTW he was working at MIT (for ignorant like you that is the abbreviation of Massachusetts Institute of Technology) when these new protocols were developed.
Here is a direct quote:
"While it's often confused with the internet itself, the web is actually just the most common means of accessing data online in the form of websites and hyperlinks."
Clearly the only coward here is you, spending hours each day taking pot shots at Americans on a long established American owned website, and from the safety of your computer hiding out in Europe somewhere. The greatest contribution of the US in World War II involved production of war materials, producing more airplanes than all of the other major powers combined. And Stalin was propped up by our supplies, including 400,000 trucks and billions of dollars worth of airplanes. And such supply routes to the east were created by our fighting efforts in the Mediterranean, especially Africa and Italy along with the British. We were also instrumental in the liberation of France, the defeat of the Japanese in the South Pacific, and for bringing about a sure end with the invention of the atom bomb. To say we only showed up when it was over is asinine to the point where it could only come from a little vegan boy trolling day in and day out in a hooker forum, whining about how everyone is picking on him.
A lot of Euros love to run their mouths, until they need us, and they inevitably do. The two World Wars are just two of many examples, and of many more to come.You are absolutely clueless, you're a brain dead moron hiding in a basement in a USA in crisis. No one is hiding, except from you. You must be seriously demented going on and on with insults making no sense whatsoever. Please explain in what way he is hiding and from who? We all know that you're hiding in your mothers basement because you are afraid of Covid-19, but you need to substantiate your claim that he is hiding.
The truth is simple USA needs Europe more than Europe needs them.
I'm still waiting for the USA to pay the EU the money they owe us for creating the chaos in the Middle East which caused millions of refugees to head for the EU.
And lets be real, the libtarded USAns on this site had nothing to do with the WW2 so pipe down. You should focus on your opioid and debt epidemic. Or failed aircraft company. Or why no one wants to import your shitty American cars.
Can some one please explain what the NL after internationalsexguide stands for? I've heard that it stands for the Netherlands, which is a European country. So I guess Europe saved USA again.
How quaint. So you have rewritten history to diminish the role the US played. How sweet. I'm sure you are ignorant that even before the US was actively fighting the war in Europe. They sent vast amounts of supplies via convoys to both Great Britain and to Russia. The US supply ships probably saved Great Britain from having to raise the white flag. But of course, not knowing anything about WWII I'm sure you were unaware.
The genocide of the Jews was not well know until the camps were overrun at the end of the war.
It's OK. I understand you recreate whatever doesn't fit your own preconceived notions. This is evidenced by your complete ignorance of history and your laughable understanding of the efficacy of the vaccine against the CoVid virus. It must be nice to live in your little hovel of ignorance.Actually it's thanks to Russia that Germany lost the war. But congrats on dropping the A-bomb on Japan after they had basically already surrendered. Really impressive. Not.
BTW, good work in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
PedroMorales
11-11-21, 19:33
The Yanks were "over paid, over sexed and over here". Everyone hated them, the Tommies who did the heavy fighting and the Ossies who beat them up in Sydney and Brisbane for sucking off their donkeys. The coward McArthur even tried to claim Australian victories as American, the PNG battle of the Kokoda Trail, the first land defeat of the Japanese, being a case in point.
The Americans used to loot the teeth of dead Japanese soldiers, real gutter scum. McArthur, surrender monkey in the Philippines where the Yanks continued to rape the children until their bases were closed.
The USA bankrupted the Brits, stole all their reserves and military secrets, raped their women and then set up Bretton Woods etc to rob and rape the world.
Stalingrad was 2nd rate soldiers; the cream had already perished by then. Kursk was but one of much bigger defeats.
Germany and the Axis lost 5.5 million soldiers dead, with some 4.5 million more captured on the Eastern Front.
As the American surrender monkeys lost a trifling 400,000, many of them non Americans and the Wehrmacht were great in defence, it is an insult to claim these American rapists were decisive.
As regards the Web, no one doubts the Americans are good at snooping (Peeping Tom pervs). American "dominance" in World War Two and after it was due to German physicists and rocket scientists, many of whom had served Hitler. Americans are good at thieving and eating hamburgers and little else. No one doubts that.
Go get a language of your own.
MIT (for ignorant like you that is the abbreviation of Massachusetts Institute of Technology).
An ignorant like me? LOL.
Every thing you said is either mistaken or a lie. You tell me which?
90% of the casualties weren't at the Eastern Front but it certainly was the highest percentage. Mostly because a complete German army was abandoned and not permitted to retreat during the battle of Stalingrad.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Stalingrad
If it had not been for the American supplies and equipment sent to Great Britain and Russia you wouldn't be able to manufacture your version of history.
Oh and BTW you are full of shit about who invented the internet as well.
Actually it's thanks to Russia that Germany lost the war. But congrats on dropping the A-bomb on Japan after they had basically already surrendered. Really impressive. Not.
BTW, good work in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.You know less of history than you do about CoVid. I wonder if anyone here is surprised by that?
Russia did well against Germany largely because the US provided massive support when they needed it most. But you have to give a major assist to Hitler who made a myriad of bone-head mistakes that cost dearly.
You also failed to mention or recognize that after the war the US sent billions of dollars in aid to rebuild the war torn countries of Europe. When in the history of the world has a victorious nation helped rebuild the countries that were allies as well as those that were conquered?? I think the world you'll search for is "never".
No government tells the truth about Covid. Statistics are meaningless. For example: Japan has like 225 cases today and No lockdown. DO you actually believe it? Statistics can be manipulated in a thousand ways.Yes, correct. And some govts are worse than others, whether they do it deliberatly or not. But excess death stats are much harder to manipulate bcos death stats are generally not tightly controlled by central government. I wrote 1 week ago:
"South Korea. Has had 2. 700 excees deaths out of a population of 51 million, whiich is 53 deaths per million. ".
Even if one claimed the Korean govt was hiding deaths, it would need to be hiding deaths at a rate of 30 dead for every 1 declared. To be even average in terms of death per capita. I dunno about you, but I find that somewhat hard to believe.
Just one simple question JustTK, how do you determine when a war is half way over while it is in progress?You can't know. But that was not my claim. The USA refused to involve itself in a war to save the world ffom Jewish genocide and the rule of facism. It only felt compelled to join when a tinpot army decide to bomb a few of its ships in a harbour.
Do something against the USA. And you are going to pay! Commit genocide and try to instigate worldwide facism. Oh, no problem, just go ahead and don't worry about us!
But congrats on dropping the A-bomb on Japan after they had basically already surrendered.
BTW, good work in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.Enola Gay. The ultimate despicable act of cowardice of the 20th century. Seems they had no faith in their soldiers to win a war if they had to fight man to man, so instead they dropped the most lethal weapon ever designed (by UK, BTW) on helpless citizens. Bcos they are Asian and worth less than USAn lives. And I guess they were correct bcos they have lost many wars against 3rd world countries since then.
PedroMorales
11-12-21, 00:19
I only entered this thread because I thought it was funny and some American hamburger chomper was insulting the Spanish language from a position of ignorance. I guess I should apologize for arguing with a fool, one who thinks putas are addressed as Señora Prostituta. Perhaps that is what they do in the Hamptons when they are playing at The Great Gatsby. The civilised world, those with words in their veins, speak more earthily.
The thread has been useful in showing Americans who can see they are not universally loved. Was Marilyn Monroe the only American woman whose accent did not grate? What is it with Americans and their loud, atonal voices? Who knows or cares really. Best avoided.
Salud!
Elvis 2008
11-12-21, 01:47
Yes you are being disrespectful again. I guess that's just the way many USAns are. They can't help themselves in their "exceptionalism".You will probably like this clip, JustTK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2HKbygLjJs
"We didn't identify ourselves by who we voted for and we do not scare so easily. " That probably encompasses 90% of what we did wrong with Covid.
We have a section here on American women and how bad they are and then we have this section where American men travel to Colombia to get their sexual needs met and you have to hear about how exceptional we are. I can understand why you think we are crazy even if others do not.
You might be confused by the freedom line so let me explain. Freedom does not refer to doing drugs, gambling, or paying women for sex. We Americans have to go to Colombia for those freedoms.
However, I was in Singapore when an American there was caned for spray painting cars. The police chief in his American home town said the police there would have done nothing to him had he vandalized cars there, so that is what the freedom refers to: the freedom to commit vandalism.
I would think that our nation which is #1 in the world with its incarceration rate would shut up about freedom, but we do not. Thank a veteran for your freedom is a good military slogan.
The notion that veterans are there to protect our freedom (what freedom?) is something even the current soldiers do not buy. One of them told me that the nations we declare war on or are our enemies are the ones thinking about setting up another reserve currency. He said his job was not to protect American lives or freedom but the American dollar, and that makes a lot more sense to me.
So, yeah, we own the world's printing press and because of that and the money we have, we think we are exceptional in everything just like a rich man thinks he is good at everything. The irony is how many Americans believe that #1 talk but have never left the country.
For me, it is precisely that we do not have freedom that I am going to retire outside of the USA. Sure, I will work next to the printing press and be rewarded for it, but I am not staying in a nation that is so full of it. You can see the hypocrisy dripping through just on this forum.
I will tell you one of the worst events in this nation's history. It was when Obama killed an American citizen without a trial. This was a blatant constitutional violation and where were the men and women who took an oath to protect the constitution, our "heroes", when this happened, storming the White House? Nope, they were sitting on their asses getting their pension checks and free health care.
Probably the greatest threat to my freedom is the number of people being paid off by our government and that includes current and former members of the military. These people care a helluva lot more about their government check than freedom.
One of the reasons I think some here were so pro lockdown is that they are or were government people who got paid during the lockdowns. For them, the idea they got paid for nothing is too tough to take. No, they were paid to lock down and keep us safe.
That is another thing the USA may be #1 at, the number of government workers patting themselves on the back.
Elvis 2008
11-12-21, 03:08
Actually it's thanks to Russia that Germany lost the war.The USA was so anti-USSR that it did not want to teach about their role in WW2. The USA beat the Nazi's be team.
With the movie Patton, you would think that Patton, Eisenhower, Bradley, Montgomery, or Rommel were the greatest generals in WW2 but I remember one text book saying Zhukov was WW2's greatest general and I was thinking, "And who the fuck is he?" he is actually rated here as the #8 greatest general of all time, and most Americans have no clue who he is: https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/best-generals-ranked-by-statistics/.
But congrats on dropping the A-bomb on Japan after they had basically already surrendered. Really impressive. Not.Well, the Soviet armies were done with Germany and turning their eyes on feasting on Japan. The bomb was meant to end the war as quickly as possible even if it meant the loss of a huge amount of civilian life not just to defeat Japan but to keep the Soviets out. Given that the Soviets did not take over Japan, and Japan became the world's #2 economic power in comparison to what happened to those nations in Eastern Europe, I think it is fair to say it worked out for the best for the country as a whole. The USA likes to think of itself as their WW2 machine was the most powerful military ever assembled but it seems to me the Soviets had a force that actually was.
BTW, good work in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.Oh, you are most welcome. There is more to come. Biden is doing something big in Asia and Africa. I suspect he is going to be fighting proxy wars with China there. I suspect the Syrian refugee flood in Europe will be an African flood soon.
I think the Democratic douches learned their point and hate thing from the military. I am not sure what African or Asian leader is going to be threatening our way of life next but I have every confidence our military will find someone who fits the part.
Hi JjBee62,
I started reading some of the posts on this board a few weeks ago, and you always struck me as a very level-headed guy. This post however was a bit of a head scratcher.
I am not a vegan, but I fully recognize how much damage to the planet and animal suffering is caused by the meat industry. With all due respect, your rationale and bean examples seem a bit underwhelming in light of the fact that less than 10% of all soy is used for human food products such as tofu and soy milk, and a large number of studies suggest that global land use could drop tremendously if everybody went vegan (for example https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaq0216). I recognize that I might be missing something, and I'd certainly be open to change my mind if you can corroborate your statements. I also recognize that this board is not about diet choices, but then, I didn't start it.
Ethical concerns aside, I disagree with most of JustTK's statements about vaccination, but that doesn't mean I have to disagree with him if he says the sky is blue.There's some hyperbole in there.
What I was pointing out is there's much more involved than what most people recognize.
Global land use could be reduced if everyone went vegan. However, what happens to 500 million chickens, 100 million cows and 75 million pigs (just in the US)? We either kill them into extinction, or we turn them loose. I already have to deal with too many deer on the highways, the typical cow weighs 500 lbs more. The pigs are a bigger concern, because they're much more dangerous. Let them go feral and we're going to start losing people to them.
There are very few simple answers to complex problems.
Every thing you said is either mistaken or a lie. You tell me which?
90% of the casualties weren't at the Eastern Front but it certainly was the highest percentage. Mostly because a complete German army was abandoned and not permitted to retreat during the battle of Stalingrad.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Stalingrad
If it had not been for the American supplies and equipment sent to Great Britain and Russia you wouldn't be able to manufacture your version of history.
Oh and BTW you are full of shit about who invented the internet as well.
https://www.history.com/news/who-invented-the-internet
The scientist you reference above, came along later and developed the WWW methodology. BTW he was working at MIT (for ignorant like you that is the abbreviation of Massachusetts Institute of Technology) when these new protocols were developed.I'm not going to wade into the WW2 conflict. It's obvious a few people didn't learn their history. It also appears one person is very upset that the Nazis lost.
However, the internet was created by the US DARPA. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Originally it was called DarpaNet.
I was heavily involved in the rollout of access to the WorldWideWeb at Sandia National Labs, in 1995. At the time everyone had access to the internet at the labs, but it was decided that everyone needed WWW access. At the time that required manually configuring each computer, adding the drivers and installing the Netscape browser. Once we got into the swing of it, we could set someone up in about 10 minutes. The hardest part was explaining to everyone why they needed it.
With most of the people, we would just ask what they were interested in, then type it into a search engine and show them the results. Easier and more visual than a Gopher search.
At the time they hadn't come up with an Acceptable Use Policy yet, and told us to tell everyone "use your best judgement. " I warned them that they were going to end up firing a lot of people, because "best judgement" is going to tell them, since they're already allowed to use the internet for personal use during their own time, they would go straight to the porn.
It took less than 3 weeks before they had to start firing people. As soon as it started, my phone started ringing. I went around, changed NICs, Network Interface Cards, changed IPs, and cleared browser histories and saved about 10 people from getting fired. At our next IT meeting my boss had the nerve to ask why nobody had thought about how people might misuse the web. That's when I decided I was done with IT.
I'm currently, much busier than any dead or completely disabled person should be. Sorry for the confusion, but I had some difficulty with your diagnosis. There was only 1 bit which I'm certain about.
You're insane.
When someone who isn't a doctor, who has demonstrated an abysmal level of knowledge, claims he's more qualified than 7 doctors he knows nothing about, that's insane.
When someone (not a doctor, etc) claims to know more about the health of a person he's never met, than the person (or any of his doctors), that's insane.
I could go on, but there's only 2 possible conclusions. Either you're insane, or you're trying to convince everyone you're insane. Considering you're making the effort on an anonymous monger board, I believe it amounts to the same thing. That's not a diagnosis, just an analysis of what you've demonstrated. Feel free to consult with a qualified professional.
I'm certain you will have a response which is equally insane, but it's unlikely I'll find the time to read it, what with being busy and in whatever state of invalidism you've declared for me.
However, I would like to leave you with something you caused me to remember.
https://youtu.be/Oz-TPoswOQA
Hi JjBee62,
Ethical concerns aside, I disagree with most of JustTK's statements about vaccination, but that doesn't mean I have to disagree with him if he says the sky is blue.I enjoy your methods, although it's been many years since I've been patient enough to emulate them. Benjamin Franklin would approve. If you can find a copy, his autobiography is well worth your time.
I've been doing the online debate thing for over 30 years, well before the worldwide web. Long ago I learned the paradox of reasoned debate. It's nearly impossible to have a reasoned debate.
If you are debating someone capable of reasoned debate, they've done their research, they've correctly applied logic and have built a robust argument. Which leaves only minor points of contention. If your opponent is incapable, or unwilling to engage in reasoned debate, you're left wading through a flood of logical fallacies from someone who has no interest in fact.
The vaccination debate illustrates this perfectly. The main question, to vaccinate or not, is clear, both for the individual and the larger population. What you're left with are reasonably minor side issues. For example, do the rights of the individual override the welfare of the population. I believe it does, with restrictions. However, if you're making the argument of your right to refuse the vaccine, you've given up your argument that others should refuse the vaccine.
One subplot which is fertile for debate is vaccination strategy. Is it better to begin with the most vulnerable, or with those with greater risk of exposure? Another one, should distribution distribution begin with the wealthiest nations or with the poorest? There are many others, but few are interested in pursuing them.
You know less of history than you do about CoVid. I wonder if anyone here is surprised by that?
Russia did well against Germany largely because the US provided massive support when they needed it most. But you have to give a major assist to Hitler who made a myriad of bone-head mistakes that cost dearly.
You also failed to mention or recognize that after the war the US sent billions of dollars in aid to rebuild the war torn countries of Europe. When in the history of the world has a victorious nation helped rebuild the countries that were allies as well as those that were conquered?? I think the world you'll search for is "never".When will USA send the money they owe the EU for taking the consequences of your failed wars in the Middle East?
You USAns might not know it, but you are laughing stock of the rest of the World and one of the biggest reasons for that is your lack of education. So I guess that your lack of knowledge about the WW2 really doesn't surprise me.
The Russians, supported by the UK, did much more than the USAns to beat the Germans. Maybe you didn't know that UK and the US are two different countries? That would explain why you appear to be so confused.
When will USA send the money they owe the EU for taking the consequences of your failed wars in the Middle East?
You USAns might not know it, but you are laughing stock of the rest of the World and one of the biggest reasons for that is your lack of education. So I guess that your lack of knowledge about the WW2 really doesn't surprise me.
The Russians, supported by the UK, did much more than the USAns to beat the Germans. Maybe you didn't know that UK and the US are two different countries? That would explain why you appear to be so confused.I'm sure the US will be happy to square accounts with you Euro-cheats. When are you going to pay up the decades of arrearages in your balances for supporting NATO?
As to your knowledge of WW2 history. You should be bending down kissing our feet and throwing in a few BJ's when asked. If it weren't for US support during and especially after the war, Europe would be a collection of 3rd world countries.
I only entered this thread because I thought it was funny and some American hamburger chomper was insulting the Spanish language from a position of ignorance. I guess I should apologize for arguing with a fool, one who thinks putas are addressed as Seora Prostituta.I just noticed that Mileroticas website title for Sta Marta section is ".
Escorts why prepagos en Santa Marta. Putas Mileroticos" - must be a huge insult to sex workers if one of their primary sales channels refers to them as putas. Haha. I was obviously showing no respect to these people who are not even here to read my words. What disgracefull behaviour! Hehe.
ChuchoLoco
11-12-21, 19:23
When will USA send the money they owe the EU for taking the consequences of your failed wars in the Middle East?
You USAns might not know it, but you are laughing stock of the rest of the World and one of the biggest reasons for that is your lack of education. So I guess that your lack of knowledge about the WW2 really doesn't surprise me.
The Russians, supported by the UK, did much more than the USAns to beat the Germans. Maybe you didn't know that UK and the US are two different countries? That would explain why you appear to be so confused.Actually Stalin was basically begging for help for a couple years for a western front against the Germans while Churchill and Roosevelt argued but finally decided to wait a so the Russians would be brutalized and also weaken the Germans which is what happened. The UK had been fighting the Germans all over the place usually losing and this is said with no offense intended to the Brits who suffered more than most of us Americans know. Then finally came Normandy.
American men travel to Colombia to get their sexual needs met and you have to hear about how exceptional we are. I can understand why you think we are crazy even if others do not.
You might be confused by the freedom line so let me explain. Freedom does not refer to doing drugs, gambling, or paying women for sex. We Americans have to go to Colombia for those freedoms.
Probably the greatest threat to my freedom is the number of people being paid off by our government and that includes current and former members of the military. These people care a helluva lot more about their government check than freedom.
Hehe, yes I agree that "greatness" and "freedom" are meaningless words without context. In what sense are you greatest or free? As you highlight. But in whatever sense you are thinking, it does seem that the USA is becoming less "great" and less "free" with each passing puppet / idiot is in charge. Any rational person can see that the reigns of power have passed completely to the ruling elites. And unfortunately, its not only the USA people that must suffer. And this is why I speak about it.
Where do you think to live?
PedroMorales
11-12-21, 20:53
I just noticed that Mileroticas website title for Sta Marta section is ".
Escorts why prepagos en Santa Marta. Putas Mileroticos" - must be a huge insult to sex workers if one of their primary sales channels refers to them as putas. Haha. I was obviously showing no respect to these people who are not even here to read my words. What disgracefull behaviour! Hehe.I got put on moderate mode as an American in the Philippines who has yet to post one field report or piece of useful information objected o me using the word skank on a report about "the ladies of the night" "courtesans" "escorts" "fille de joie" or whatever one calls feral prostitutes. Maybe Pornhub should moderate its language.
On a slightly different note, I watched a contemporary Sandista band play a Let's Go Brandon number en español, por supuesto. The chick was hot.
Here is PETA's take on this:
That said, in many of your posts it seems you are grasping for straws, ... it seems to escape you what conditional probabilities are.Hey Prtbrgr.
How are you? Thanks for you reply.
Yes, PETA and the official Vegan Society both have said it's a personal choice, up to the individual, and it is not anti-vegan to have a vaccine (or take medicine). Personally I think there is a lot politics going on in their public positions. Can you imagine if they took the hardline position and said taking medicine was anti-vegan? I would say they would immediately lose most of their members, and end the vegan movement for years to come. It is a hard enough struggle, without alienating the majority of, otherwise, good people. You make a special case for personal health – which is the one time they argue for being selfish. To me it lacks some consistency but I understand that it would be very damaging to take the opposite position.
"it seems to escape you what conditional probabilities are".
No, I have taken that it into consideration. Let me try to explain why the conditional probability is the same. This study result – vaxd person chance to catch COVID – 25%, non-vaxd person chance to catch COVID. Ok, on the face it these results you are more likely to catch COVID if you are not vaxd (due to the vax having some efficacy). However, there are 2 obvious flaws in this data – it is far from complete!
1. The study was run over a fixed period of time. If we lengthen the period then everyone will catch the disease. Both groups will be at 100%. This was verified by Andy Slavitt, the former White House Senior Advisor for COVID Response, who wrote "Given Delta's contagiousness & the fitness of future mutations in order to beat it, this means SARS-CoV-2 will be contagious enough that everyone will get the virus". And that makes logical sense too bcos if we extend the period under review then both groups percentage approach 100 and slow down. So that being the case, every person, whether vaxd or non-vax, will have the virus once, and during time every person will be as equally contagious (as the report stated). So everyone is equally dangerous to a vulnerable person.
2. the research compared a vaxd group vs an unvaxd group. But that unvaxd group is made up of some with natural immunity and some without. If however, there were more people with natural immunity, the stats would be closer together. Until we reach a point when one group is vaxd, and the other group entirely has natural immunity? Then what would the stats show? And what if the vax efficacy has waned in that group? Then what would the stats show?
Studies show natural immunity is better in the long term – see this Israel study - https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/.
And for those that say science is against the non-vaxd, read this - https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-delivers-13-times-more-protection-than-covid-vaccines/.
This post however was a bit of a head scratcher.
I am not a vegan, but I fully recognize how much damage to the planet and animal suffering is caused by the meat industry. With all due respect, your rationale and bean examples seem a bit underwhelming in light of the fact...Yes indeed, a baseless argument. One that has been thoroughly debunked countless times.
"Let's use beans today. Now, in order to plant beans, I need a field. Which means, since fields aren't naturally occurring, whatever is growing and living on the land where I want to grow beans, needs to be destroyed, wiped out, obliterated. ".
Well firstly, this is true of all food. As you say, most plant crops are fed to farm animals, so most land is cleared for animal farming, not for vegan human consumption. There would already be enough cleared land to feed the world several time over if everyone was vegan. To follow that line of thinking to its conclusion, one would need to argue for the end of all human civilisation in order to stop all farming, and very few advocate for that. Humans have a right to life, as much as other animals.
There are also some crop deaths – again mostly caused to feed farm animals. But vegans would try to minimize these deaths by implementing animal friendly harvesting and delivery techniques, whereas meat eaters would not give a sh*t. Using pesticides to kill 'pests" – again, not an argument against veganism. Farmers are not vegans – vegans would farm using animal friendly techniques.
So to summarise – whatever animal deaths there are in bringing vegan food to the human dinner table – you can multiply it several fold for the meat-eater. Then add on the deliberate cow / pig / chicken / fish deaths. Deaths in vegan food delivery would be accidental in a vegan world, whereas deliberate or uncaring in a carnist world.
Elvis 2008
11-13-21, 01:30
Where do you think to live?I just put a deposit down on a place in Cartagena. I have been paying a lot to see my GF and either flying to Colombia to meet her or meet in Mexico, so we decided the time was right to settle on a place. The apartment there, which is expensive actually for Colombia, is $700 per month, but it is beautiful. We have a stunning 16th floor view of the harbor and now we get to pick out the furniture we like and make it into a home. I hope to be there 7 to 10 days a month and slowly increase that amount over time.
The other place I really liked and could see myself living is Argentina. A family member has brought property near Mendoza and the land out there is very rich, and you can live like a king for very little.
PedroMorales
11-13-21, 01:59
Is this impacting the puta market?
I see the media hacks are now blaming floods, mud slides and so on on global warming, not on the fact that Yankee McDonalds man has stripped land of trees and other natural impediments to erosion. Vegan ites are full of manure. The problem is the American one of over eating, over self indulgence. This Americanism is a cancer that spreads, much like their waist lines. Plenty of fat Europeans now. Not as be ad as US Blubber land but getting there. Ad as for African / black women. So unhealthy carrying around all that jelly.
I will give it to Africans, not the tubbies. They sure can move. That is because they move their asses and eat whatever they can.
Anyone know where I could get a vegan cat or dog?
Yes indeed, a baseless argument. One that has been thoroughly debunked countless times.
"Let's use beans today. Now, in order to plant beans, I need a field. Which means, since fields aren't naturally occurring, whatever is growing and living on the land where I want to grow beans, needs to be destroyed, wiped out, obliterated. ".
Well firstly, this is true of all food. As you say, most plant crops are fed to farm animals, so most land is cleared for animal farming, not for vegan human consumption. There would already be enough cleared land to feed the world several time over if everyone was vegan. To follow that line of thinking to its conclusion, one would need to argue for the end of all human civilisation in order to stop all farming, and very few advocate for that. Humans have a right to life, as much as other animals..It's fun watching you think yourself into a corner. Have you spotted the trap you built for yourself yet?
"Humans have a right to life, as much as other animals."
Do you see it yet? I'll add another piece of the puzzle.
"I'm not anti-vax, I'm anti-vivisection."
Perhaps you don't see it because you refuse to accept a few simple facts.
1. Unvaccinated people are more likely to contract Covid.
2. Unvaccinated people are more likely to infect others.
3. Unvaccinated people are more likely to die from Covid.
Even if you eliminate the first 2, which would demonstrate a lack of integrity, you're still left with an inescapable conclusion:
It's better to kill humans than to kill animals to protect humans. Or humans have less right to life than animals.
For the rest, you seem to not understand how farming works. That's not an insult, simply a natural consequence of not growing up on a farm.
If vegans farmed using animal friendly techniques, we would all starve. I say that because it would require everything to be done by hand. Just turning the soil would require 1 person over a week per acre. You could speed that up using draft animals, but that's not particularly animal friendly. At a guess, 1 person could produce enough to feed 10&15 people, but that's 16 hours per day, nearly every day.
Insects aren't the only pests to worry about. All types of small mammals have to be controlled. Look up "The great bunny bash of 1981" for just one example.
You mentioned animal friendly transportation, can you describe that to me? I'm in transportation business and I can really benefit from this animal friendly transportation. In the past 20 months, I've had 3 trucks severely damaged by animals. That's from 4 deer and 1 wild turkey. There were 2 other deer casualties, but they caused minimal damage. There have been countless other casualties, but they're mostly unnoticeable.
There's no way to avoid most collisions with animals. Everyone tries. If you eliminate hunting and other forms of population management, it gets worse. I was in Idaho in 1981 and driving down the highway looked like a jackrabbit invasion. You would see 10-20 every mile, either dead or crossing the road.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain the solution for all the existing meat animals if everyone goes vegan. Your thoughts?
I'm sure the US will be happy to square accounts with you Euro-cheats. When are you going to pay up the decades of arrearages in your balances for supporting NATO?
As to your knowledge of WW2 history. You should be bending down kissing our feet and throwing in a few BJ's when asked. If it weren't for US support during and especially after the war, Europe would be a collection of 3rd world countries.Here you go showing your ignorance again, not all European countries are part of NATO and more importantly no one needs or have asked the US to have such a inflated and irresponsible military spending. You should be ashamed to even bring that up considering that US military spending is the root of so much misery in the Middle East as well as in Europe.
The rest of the world would be so much better off if the US didn't even exist. You should apologize for even existing. Pay the money you owe for taking care of the mess you caused us in the Middle East and then go ahead and nuke yourselves.
I just put a deposit down on a place in Cartagena. The apartment there, which is expensive actually for Colombia, is $700 per month,
Do you mean you bought a place and the repayments are 700 pm, or your renting? Is it in Bocagrande? I have been to CTG a few times, and didn't see any other barrio in which it looked good to live.
I see the media hacks are now blaming floods, mud slides and so on on global warming, not on the fact that Yankee McDonalds man has stripped land of trees and other natural impediments to erosion. Vegan ites are full of manure. The problem is the American one of over eating, over self indulgence.
Anyone know where I could get a vegan cat or dog?USA remains a small portion of the world. They may consume more on average but the bigger problem is world population. Lots of small meals add up too.
You can buy vegan cat food and vegan dog food. But best to convert them while they are young.
MarquisdeSade1
11-13-21, 15:17
Hehe, yes I agree that "greatness" and "freedom" are meaningless words without context. In what sense are you greatest or free? As you highlight. But in whatever sense you are thinking, it does seem that the USA is becoming less "great" and less "free" with each passing puppet / idiot is in charge. Any rational person can see that the reigns of power have passed completely to the ruling elites. And unfortunately, its not only the USA people that must suffer. And this is why I speak about it.
Where do you think to live?https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/12/the-royalist-left/
Elvis 2008
11-13-21, 16:59
Do you mean you bought a place and the repayments are 700 pm, or your renting? Is it in Bocagrande? I have been to CTG a few times, and didn't see any other barrio in which it looked good to live.Renting. The two best places are Manga and Bocagrande and we got in a place in Manga. We did see some nice modern complexes by the airport. My GF grew up there and in those neighborhoods she was concerned about being out at night. With Manga, her mother has lived there alone for a decade and not had any issues.
Elvis 2008
11-13-21, 18:28
I'm currently, much busier than any dead or completely disabled person should be. Sorry for the confusion, but I had some difficulty with your diagnosis. There was only 1 bit which I'm certain about.
You're insane.
When someone who isn't a doctor, who has demonstrated an abysmal level of knowledge, claims he's more qualified than 7 doctors he knows nothing about, that's insane.
When someone (not a doctor, etc) claims to know more about the health of a person he's never met, than the person (or any of his doctors), that's insane.
I could go on, but there's only 2 possible conclusions. Either you're insane, or you're trying to convince everyone you're insane. Well, there is another possibility, and that is you are insane, Professor Shit for Brains. You are the one whose brain allegedly froze up so badly that you could not speak.
Hell, the only reason your sorry ass brought up your stroke like symptoms was to show me up, and that blew up in your face. And now you got nothing left but name calling and groveling. "I will let you look at my chart". Go fuck yourself.
Assuming what you said is accurate, and we all know you are a fucking liar, you were in a hypercoaguable state and had symptoms of a clot at the artery where most strokes occur. Not that fucking hard. Like I said, your case bores me. The only thing interesting is if all your arms and legs were dysfunctional versus on one side, which would be new.
That would means clots in both sides of the artery. And no, I do not want to know.
A mini stroke is a warning sign, a preview of coming attractions, and you might not like this but clot formation or a plaque breaking off and occluding blood supply is more up to God than health care providers or you.
I can get that you are scared that what happened to you might be permanent, and that is why you are so fucking rude and in denial, but this is not my first rodeo, and I do not want to deal with some asshole in denial. Your health is fine? Once again, go fuck yourself.
The rate of stroke per year with someone in chronic A-fib is 6% per year. It goes down a little with treatment, but the treatment has side effects. You allegedly are not in A-fib all the time and that puts the rate lower, but it goes higher with RA, a previous ministroke, and probably with Covid. How high? No one knows, but with your work schedule and shitty attitude, that cliff I saw in you driving off of in the future is a helluva lot closer.
But then again, what do I know? I am insane. Go talk to your genius doctors, Professor Shit for Brains. I am done discussing this.
irony is lostCurious to know where you think the irony was in either my or Elvis' comments.
MarquisdeSade1
11-14-21, 05:28
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/us/sweetheart-swindler-sentenced.html?surface=most-popular&fellback=false&req_id=722538783&algo=bandit-all-surfaces_setnthitem_0_news_typekoftopn_2_5_news&variant=2_bandit-all-surfaces_guardrails_pool_hp_3d&pool=pool/eb1c3756-caa2-47cd-b3ba-0be3d88f1636&imp_id=791532743&action=click&module=Popular%20in%20The%20Times&pgtype=Homepage
Elvis 2008
11-14-21, 07:29
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally
After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus.
My firm, on behalf of ICAN, asked the CDC for precisely this proof (see below). ICAN wanted to see proof of any instance in which someone who previously had COVID-19 became reinfected with and transmitted the virus to someone else. The CDC's incredible response is that it does not have a single document reflecting that this has ever occurred. Not one.
But it gets worse. The CDC's excuse for not having a shred of evidence of the naturally immune transmitting the virus is that "this information is not collected. " What?! No proof! But yet the CDC is actively crushing the rights of millions of naturally immune individuals in this country if they do not get the vaccine on the assumption they can transmit the virus. But despite clear proof the vaccinated spread the virus, the CDC lifts restrictions on the vaccinated?! That is dystopian.
End of link.
Well, now we know why the unvaxxed are so demonized even those with natural immunity. Clearly, the money made from said vaccines is filtering to the Democratic party. There is no other excuse. That is the reason the Dems are so vilifying those who are not vaxxed.
In the latest boneheaded rule, the CDC says you have to have your Covid test one day before returning to the USA if you are not vaccinated but you have three days if you are. Uh, why? Where is the science with this? Well, here is your answer: there is none. These are "scientists", government bureaucrats, literally making laws out of their ass that benefit them.
It is the douches here who tried to rewrite history, but these Democratic douches wanted to line up behind that fucker Fauci and let him do whatever he wanted. Happy now guys? Hope you enjoy that nose swab and oh by the way all those people crossing the borders on foot in car, THEY do not have to be tested, but YOU on an airplane do.
I would love some douche to defend the logic behind this. Yeah, let's make more stringent laws when Covid cases are plummeting. Jesus.
MarquisdeSade1
11-14-21, 22:47
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally
After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus.
My firm, on behalf of ICAN, asked the CDC for precisely this proof (see below). ICAN wanted to see proof of any instance in which someone who previously had COVID-19 became reinfected with and transmitted the virus to someone else. The CDC's incredible response is that it does not have a single document reflecting that this has ever occurred. Not one.
But it gets worse. The CDC's excuse for not having a shred of evidence of the naturally immune transmitting the virus is that "this information is not collected. " What?! No proof! But yet the CDC is actively crushing the rights of millions of naturally immune individuals in this country if they do not get the vaccine on the assumption they can transmit the virus. But despite clear proof the vaccinated spread the virus, the CDC lifts restrictions on the vaccinated?! That is dystopian.https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/12/the-cdc-cant-prove-a-single-instance-of-a-naturally-immune-individual-spreading-covid/
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally
After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus.
My firm, on behalf of ICAN, asked the CDC for precisely this proof (see below). ICAN wanted to see proof of any instance in which someone who previously had COVID-19 became reinfected with and transmitted the virus to someone else. The CDC's incredible response is that it does not have a single document reflecting that this has ever occurred. Not one.
But it gets worse. The CDC's excuse for not having a shred of evidence of the naturally immune transmitting the virus is that "this information is not collected. " What?! No proof! But yet the CDC is actively crushing the rights of millions of naturally immune individuals in this country if they do not get the vaccine on the assumption they can transmit the virus. But despite clear proof the vaccinated spread the virus, the CDC lifts restrictions on the vaccinated?! That is dystopian.
End of link.
Well, now we know why the unvaxxed are so demonized even those with natural immunity. Clearly, the money made from said vaccines is filtering to the Democratic party. There is no other excuse. That is the reason the Dems are so vilifying those who are not vaxxed..I don't condone being unvaxxed but for all you guys who don't want to get vaxxed and then worry about having to have PCR test done right before your flights back to the US there is an easy loophole. All you have to do is fly into Mexico as opposed to the US. Mexico doesn't and never did require a negative PCR test at all and crossing the land border CBP doesn't require a PCR test either. Ideally if you lived in San Diego this would work much better for you, however the Tijuana airport now has the CBX cross border express for like the last 5 years which makes it so you can cross the border into San Diego without stepping foot outside the Tijuana airport. So if you are unvaxxed and don't want to take a PCR just book your flight to Tijuana, cross the land border, and uber / bus it to SAN airport and take your next flight to your home city. Kind of like a layover in TIJ / SAN with a short uber ride between the 2 Airports.
MarquisdeSade1
11-15-21, 00:34
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally
After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus.
My firm, on behalf of ICAN, asked the CDC for precisely this proof (see below). ICAN wanted to see proof of any instance in which someone who previously had COVID-19 became reinfected with and transmitted the virus to someone else. The CDC's incredible response is that it does not have a single document reflecting that this has ever occurred. Not one.
But it gets worse. The CDC's excuse for not having a shred of evidence of the naturally immune transmitting the virus is that "this information is not collected. " What?! No proof! But yet the CDC is actively crushing the rights of millions of naturally immune individuals in this country if they do not get the vaccine on the assumption they can transmit the virus. But despite clear proof the vaccinated spread the virus, the CDC lifts restrictions on the vaccinated?! That is dystopian..I'm feeling some buyers remorse, with these mandates, I feel my voluntary vaxing wasnt so voluntary, if now they are forcing people "at the end of a barrel".
Reminiscent of the trains to the "work camps" ala WW2.
Some boarded the trains willingly, some didn't.
We all know how it worked out for all of them.
Many pro-vaxers (pro lockdowns pro maskers) here remind me so much of the capos in Viktor Frankls, Mans Search for Meaning.
There were bars in Nana in BKK they all knew how much a girl was getting when she left with me, and that was less than everyone else was paying.
I would regularly take putas from the same few bars for the most part and they all knew what I would pay, never as much as everyone else was paying.
This monger never pays retail, jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Aka sticker price / sucker price.You've been called out as a liar so many times by so many people. But you keep on with this BS. BlackThought and I agreed to call your lies. We put up $10,000 all you had to do was make a plane reservation, come to Medellin and show us your passport with all your travel stamps. You demanded a wager. We put it up. And surprise, surprise not another peep out of you. What's the problem? Won't your high-school give you the time off? Won't your mother let you leave?
Mr Enternational
11-15-21, 02:21
I don't condone being unvaxxed but for all you guys who don't want to get vaxxed and then worry about having to have PCR test done right before your flights back to the US there is an easy loophole.A PCR test is not needed to enter the USA. An antigen test (which is cheaper) is sufficient.
A PCR test is not needed to enter the USA. An antigen test (which is cheaper) is sufficient.Well any test for that matter, if you transit thru Mexico into US via a land border then you don't need any test PCR antigen or otherwise.
PedroMorales
11-15-21, 11:09
Our leaders, who are paid by Big Pharma et al, want us all spiked up. Given most have taken the clot shot, why no herd immunity?
Or as an alternative, all you unvaxxed fucks could take a plane to Never Never Land where Trump is still fuhrer. Then you could get on a bus to Go Fuck Yourself. Now don't get me wrong. Unvaccinated people should still have certain rights. Such as, the right to inhale, but not the right to exhale. Get your fucking heads out of your stinky asses, roll up your arms, and bend over.
... all you unvaxxed fucks ... Get your fucking heads out of your stinky asses, roll up your arms, and bend over.Your compliant servitude leads me to suppose your quite used to bending over at the first request.
MarquisdeSade1
11-15-21, 17:32
You've been called out as a liar so many times by so many people. But you keep on with this BS. BlackThought and I agreed to call your lies. We put up $10,000 all you had to do was make a plane reservation, come to Medellin and show us your passport with all your travel stamps. You demanded a wager. We put it up. And surprise, surprise not another peep out of you. What's the problem? Won't your high-school give you the time off? Won't your mother let you leave?Birds of a feather. You hang around all the weird ass freaks like JJquasimodo and Osteo.
We can only imagine what you look like, of course my post strikes a nerve with you.
Trust me you don't want to meet up with me.
Mr Enternational
11-15-21, 19:06
Or as an alternative, all you unvaxxed fucks could take a plane to Never Never Land where Trump is still fuhrer. Then you could get on a bus to Go Fuck Yourself. Meanwhile I am talking to a Mexican chick that has been vaccinated and is currently on her second bout with covid in 1 month. There is a big world out there. This website is based in the Netherlands and this thread is about Colombia. What the fuck does Trump have to do with any of this? Maybe you missed the election when he lost and is no longer in charge of shit. Are people in countries that are not USA and don't want to be vaccinated being shamed by their fellow countrymen in the name of Trump as well?
Our leaders, who are paid by Big Pharma et al, want us all spiked up. Given most have taken the clot shot, why no herd immunity?It appears there are some things you don't understand.
Let's start with the basics. You keep referring to the vaccines as "clot shot. " Current studies indicate that about 20% of people with Covid develop blood clots. Both the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines have a rare side effects of causing blood clots, almost exclusively in women under 60 and primarily in women under 24. The incidence of blood clots from the vaccine is much lower than the incidence of blood clots from Covid. Unless you're a woman, under the age of 60, a group most of us don't belong to, your risk of blood clots from the vaccine is almost non-existent, while you're risk of blood clots from Covid is reasonably high.
"Herd immunity" is not a precise measure. I'm going to refer to it as "criticality" for a moment.
A nuclear reactor is considered "critical" at a SUR (Startup Rate) of 1. That is, when the reactor power level is exactly self-sustaining, when each atom which undergoes fission causes exactly 1 other atom to fission, the power level is stable. The reactor could be at 10% power, or 100% power, but as long as that ratio is equal to 1, the reactor is critical. If it's greater than 1, it's supercritical, under 1, subcritical. This ratio is the most important measure of the reactor, because if it gets too high, the reactor effectively becomes a bomb. (This is something the movies have always fucked up. They'll say "the reactor is critical" and panic, but critical is where you want the reactor to be.).
That criticality is the same for infectious diseases. If the ratio is 1, then case numbers remain constant. The spread of the disease is stable. Herd immunity is achieved when each infected person, on average, infects less than 1 person, due to acquired immunity.
However, with Covid, there's no indication yet that infection or vaccination provides permanent immunity. Quite the opposite. It could be, in a year or two we'll discover that a combination of multiple vaccinations and multiple infections gives permanent immunity, or not.
We can simulate herd immunity, which most countries have attempted, with varying degrees of success. That's done with a combination of infection reduction strategies, masks, social distancing, reducing large public gatherings, contact tracing, quarantine and vaccination all play a role.
Even if either the vaccines or infection gave permanent immunity, we haven't reached the level where vaccination would provide herd immunity. Worldwide about 53% are fully vaccinated, 58% in the US.
There's really only 1 benefit of getting vaccinated. If you're vaccinated, your chances of surviving Covid go way up. If you survive you have a chance of seeing herd immunity achieved. If you don't, you move the rest of us closer to the goal.
Meanwhile I am talking to a Mexican chick that has been vaccinated and is currently on her second bout with covid in 1 month. There is a big world out there. This website is based in the Netherlands and this thread is about Colombia. What the fuck does Trump have to do with any of this? Maybe you missed the election when he lost and is no longer in charge of shit. Are people in countries that are not USA and don't want to be vaccinated being shamed by their fellow countrymen in the name of Trump as well?I remember talking to a guy who would have received the Medal of Honor for his service in Vietnam, according to him, except his missions were all top secret. He was also only 12 at the end of hostilities in Vietnam, but I'm sure he was being completely truthful.
I'm sure you realize this already, but you shouldn't accept everything everyone says as the truth, even if it comes from a Mexican chick.
There is a big world out there. Which is confusing if you're attempting to say that 1 Mexican chick is the yardstick we should use for everyone. There are people who have been shot in the head, who survived with no long term problems. Does that mean getting shot in the head doesn't pose a health risk?
Trump no longer has anything to do with this, although I hear from people everyday who also missed the election where he lost and is no longer in charge. I'd estimate there are millions of them just in the US.
I've told you before, you shouldn't care about people trying to shame you for whatever reason. Can you walk into a local church and start talking about all the prostitutes you've fucked without people shaming you? If you believe what you're doing is right, then stop worrying about what other people think.
Shit, there are people out there getting shamed because they're on food stamps and they sometimes spend money on things that aren't necessities. I had an old boss try to shame me because a work injury that laid me up for 18 months cost the company $50,000. People right here on ISG tried to shame me because at one point I was flat broke.
Personally, I haven't seen anyone being shamed because they don't want to get vaccinated. Even most of the ones who are spreading false information about the vaccines aren't getting shamed. Some of them are losing their jobs, but that's nothing new.
It seems like there's a simple solution. If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't. Almost nobody will know, or care. If you want to convince other people not to get vaccinated, expect some resistance. It's the same as if you try to tell your married friends they shouldn't be married. There will be some resistance.
Now, if your big issue is that your employer, or the countries you want to visit require vaccination, the solution is still simple. Decide what's more important to you. Everyone does it every day. I know guys who won't work certain jobs, because smoking weed is more important to them.
Every employer, every country has the right to make rules. If you don't like the rules, go somewhere else.
Elvis 2008
11-16-21, 02:17
Meanwhile I am talking to a Mexican chick that has been vaccinated and is currently on her second bout with covid in 1 month. There is a big world out there. Of all is here: https://mises.org/wire/why-bidens-vaccine-mandate-hasnt-delivered-promised-results.
Let me start with my favorite line of the whole article: As of August 25,2021, it takes over twenty-five hundred vaccinations to prevent a single death in the US. The data for the developed world are worse.
The scientific basis for the mandate is dubious. We are told that the vaccine is effective and safe. If this assertion were true, there would be no reason for coercion, as everyone would voluntarily take the vaccine. Furthermore, anyone taking the vaccine would have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. If the vaccine worked, then everyone taking the vaccine would be protected. Of course, the vaccine does not work for everyone. Since the vaccine does not work for everyone, it becomes a judgment call whether the risk of vaccination is worth the benefit. Contrary to what is claimed on a daily basis, the vaccine is not safe. There is a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention database of adverse effects. As of November 7, 2021, there were 2,725,582 adverse events in 634,609 adverse event reports, including 8,284 deaths, 9,726 life-threatening events, 9,580 permanent disabilities, 363 congenital anomalies or birth defects, 38,818 hospitalizations, 79,615 ER visits, and 121,100 doctor's office visits attributed to the covid vaccines. These are only the risks we know about so far. Nobody knows what the adverse effects will be one, five, or ten years from now.
The risk versus benefit calculation is purely subjective, as the risks are unknown currently. Even if the total risk were limited to what is currently known, the risk versus benefit calculation would remain purely subjective, because death from covid and death from blood clots and other known covid vaccine complications are not directly comparable, as individual fear of one type of death is not equal to the fear of all other types of death. Furthermore, the benefits to society of an individual covid vaccination are not necessarily the same for the person taking the risk of the vaccination due to the very large disparity in risk versus age. While it may be noble to voluntarily accept a risk to benefit someone else, it is immoral to coerce someone to accept a risk to benefit someone else.
MarquisdeSade1
11-16-21, 02:42
Your compliant servitude leads me to suppose your quite used to bending over at the first request.Pure gold bro.
One of the best one-liners ever on ISG!
Encore por favor!
Elvis 2008
11-16-21, 03:24
Our leaders, who are paid by Big Pharma et al, want us all spiked up. Given most have taken the clot shot, why no herd immunity?Because herd immunity is a pipe dream with a virus that mutates like Covid. The "scientists" have been pulling this if you just wear your masks, wash your hands, get the vaccine and everything will be fine shit for over a year now. You only have to look at how many people have been vaccinated and gotten the virus afterwards to see what utter horse shit this vaccine induced herd immunity is.
BTW, love that clot shot nickname.
Meanwhile I am talking to a Mexican chick that has been vaccinated and is currently on her second bout with covid in 1 month.Simply brilliant, a most sound and marvelous way to draw sweeping conclusions on health matters where life and death is often at stake, "some Mexican chick told me that." We should all be laughing our asses off but I'll refrain as the matter is quite serious.
Someone recently said in so many words that it isn't debate when one side is constantly dishing out logical fallacies while the other side is tasked with unraveling them. I call that a circle jerk, and that's about all you can find in a hooker forum. Some of it is stupidity, some is just ignorance and lack of education, but if one wants real debate they need to look elsewhere. And there are places to find it around the internet, depending on the topic of interest.
what utter horse shit this vaccine induced herd immunity is.
"herd immunity" is a very appropriat term when you think about it. Vaccinating the sheeple.
PedroMorales
11-16-21, 21:05
The Bible says the shepherd should abandon the flock and go after the lost sheep. This could be an expensive and dangerous thing, depending on what ledge that sheep is on. They want all of us vaccinated, every last one. I feel this is for total control, with more QR / cell phone monitoring to follow.
Fully vaxed folk I know who now have covid are starting to worry about their tickers. They are even blaming heart attacks and strokes on climate change. I gave up Viagra o go easy on my heart, which does not need these vaccinations and their boosters, which remind me of CPR to kick start a dying heart.
"herd immunity" is a very appropriat term when you think about it. Vaccinating the sheeple.
Elvis 2008
11-16-21, 22:22
"herd immunity" is a very appropriat term when you think about it. Vaccinating the sheeple.You are two for two on the one liners JustTK. I love it.
Hey, are you in Colombia? My gal just told me I have to bring my vaccine card as it is required everywhere. She is in Bogota. Are you seeing that too?
Mr Enternational
11-17-21, 00:13
I'm sure you realize this already, but you shouldn't accept everything everyone says as the truth, even if it comes from a Mexican chick.Or better yet, maybe I should not believe the documents she showed me confirming this. Afterall, documents can be made to show anything. Yes; everything and everybody in this world is one big lie. I guess we should not believe your lies about getting covid after being vaccinated either.
Elvis 2008
11-17-21, 01:36
Or better yet, maybe I should not believe the documents she showed me confirming this. Afterall, documents can be made to show anything. Yes; everything and everybody in this world is one big lie. I guess we should not believe your lies about getting covid after being vaccinated either.I guess they think you cannot get Covid after being vaccinated. The CDC shows that on the last day measured in September, September 4 on this chart, that out of one in six recorded infections occurred in the vaccinated. See the link: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status.
As for getting it twice in one month, that is certainly possible. I see people who test + 4 weeks after initially testing + all the time. I would not put that under common (most people clear it by 4 weeks) but would say it is not uncommon, and I fail to see why anyone would lie about this.
I guess if you think Covid is often a case of life and death you would be skeptical. I have not seen anyone die of pure Covid. Only death I have seen is a 93 year old with cancer where Covid was claimed to be the cause of death. I have seen people very often who are very sick with very low oxygen but once oxygen is put on them, they come up to normal or near normal pretty quickly. So often really sick? Sure. Life or death? Nah.
Paulie is right that there are two sides. Hopefully, here we try to get to the third side, the truth. We have the Republican who say Covid does not exist.
But we also have these Democratic douches have been exaggerating the effects of the virus since day one for political gain: https://nypost.com/2021/09/17/bill-maher-criticizes-liberal-media-over-covid-19-reporting/.
And thanks to these douches and their "scientists" we have had to endure these pointless travel bans, expensive, painful, and ridiculous swabs and now have to prove that we have been vaccinated to travel, and I guess to go out to eat now in Colombia.
I long for the day when travel vaccines and travel plans were what they used to be, directed by people on only one side, the side of the truth. Do you remember when getting vaccinated to travel used to make sense?
Hey, are you in Colombia? My gal just told me I have to bring my vaccine card as it is required everywhere. She is in Bogota. Are you seeing that too?I am in Medellin. I think the vaccine card is only required for sporting events, concerts, etc. I have been to two stores today, neither required anything other than a mask.
Elvis 2008
11-17-21, 03:43
Or better yet, maybe I should not believe the documents she showed me confirming this. Afterall, documents can be made to show anything. Yes; everything and everybody in this world is one big lie. I guess we should not believe your lies about getting covid after being vaccinated either.Here we go again with the douches pretending they have knowledge, https://www.science.org/content/article/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some "To count as a case of reinfection, a patient must have had a positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test twice with at least one symptom-free month in between. But virologist Chantal Reusken of the Dutch National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) explains that a second test can also be positive because the patient has a residue of nonreplicating viral RNA from their original infection in their respiratory tract, because of an infection with two viruses at the same time or because they had suppressed but never fully cleared the virus."
Then there is this chart from the CDC showing that on September 4, the last date data was recorded, that one out of every 6 recorded cases of Covid was in the vaccinated: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status.
So I do not what the douches are talking about. I have seen people not clear Covid for 4 weeks. Most people do, but there are many who do not. Of course, I have only seen hundreds of cases in person while the douches watch MSNBC and read the NYT and pat each other on the back about how smart they are.
As for Paulie's contention, there are two sides, there are. The Republican retards who do not want to vax anyone including 80 year olds with poor immunity, and the Democratic douches who want to vaccinate healthy 5 year olds.
What I hope we have here is a third side, those interested in the truth. Paulie's comment that Covid is often life and death perplexes me. 95+% of people are told to go home and isolate and nothing happens to them. Some are sicker and require treatment with drugs like Regeneron, and what we do see is people coming in profoundly low on oxygen. The only time I would describe this as "life and death" is in a hospital where no oxygen is available. In every case I have seen, you put these people on oxygen and shortly thereafter the oxygen levels return to normal. There is the fear said people will go on a ventilator, and it happens, but I personally have never seen it.
As for the deaths, the only one I have seen is in a patient with cancer who refused to be put on a ventilator. Cause of death on death certificates is horribly unreliable, and most doctors just put down whatever the government wants to hear. When Italy stripped all secondary causes and listed only pure Covid deaths, the number of Covid deaths dropped by 97%.
So I put 100 X more value on what people like what you say Mr. E than what I see on the news.
I have picked on the douches more because they have the government's ear, and I have been frustrated by the attempt to lower the often life and death Covid infections (cough, cough) with idiotic travel bans, often pointless vaccines, worthless lockdowns, and now the all too frequent painful and expensive Covid tests (on day one or three because why?
Do you all remember the days when travel and vaccines only had one side, the truth? Ah yes, those were the days my friend, and I hope they return soon.
Elvis 2008
11-17-21, 03:44
I am in Medellin. I think the vaccine card is only required for sporting events, concerts, etc. I have been to two stores today, neither required anything other than a mask.Thanks FL. I will be in Cartagena soon. Hopefully, things are still mellow there.
Or better yet, maybe I should not believe the documents she showed me confirming this. Afterall, documents can be made to show anything. Yes; everything and everybody in this world is one big lie. I guess we should not believe your lies about getting covid after being vaccinated either.I've tried really hard. I really have.
What documents? Hmmm? Is this just more of the complete bullshit you're rather famous for? Two positive Covid tests in 1 month. You understand that if you contract Covid you will likely test positive for up to 3 months. That's why a negative test after infection is not required. Let me just clarify that for the dumbfucks in the audience. If you test positive for Covid, and you get tested again within a month, you're almost certain to test positive again.
Meanwhile you keep crying about some big, bad bullies trying to shame you for not getting vaccinated. I'll buy you a crying towel and a box of tampons.
Remember just a few weeks ago when you were trying to shame me because I said the authorities have the right to search your phone? Remember arguing that they couldn't and wouldn't do that? Remember when you found out that I was right that you tried to shame me for explaining the shit in detail?
Let's face it. You're a Useless, pathetic fuck that has no fucking idea what he's talking about, and lacks the sense to shut his fucking cock garage.
Or better yet, maybe I should not believe the documents she showed me confirming this. Afterall, documents can be made to show anything. Yes; everything and everybody in this world is one big lie. I guess we should not believe your lies about getting covid after being vaccinated either.Let's dissect this again.
Meanwhile I am talking to a Mexican chick that has been vaccinated and is currently on her second bout with covid in 1 month.You frequently bring something like this up. Who is this Mexican chick? What documents did she show you? Why did she show them to you? What Mexican chick is sending her vaccine card and her medical records to some guy she's talking to? Why would some guy ask a girl to prove something like that? Doesn't make sense.
Here's what I think happened. You fabricated the whole thing, in an attempt to show the vaccine is useless. When I called bullshit, you fabricated that the imaginary girl had shown you documents. As is so often the case with you, you failed to think any of it through.
As I already pointed out, 2 positive Covid tests in one month is not an indication of 2 different Covid infections. Another thing you failed to think through is that your example shows your belief that naturally acquired immunity is better than the vaccine, is more bullshit. Again I'll break that down to dumbfuck level for you.
If she caught Covid twice in one month, the first case shows the vaccines aren't 100% effective, something everyone knows. However, the second infection shows that naturally acquired immunity is much lower than the vaccine. It should be nearly impossible to get reinfected in less than 3 weeks if recovering from Covid provides any protection, because your body is still producing antibodies. The only way that works is if having Covid completely removes any protection against Covid.
To further explore your bullshit, Covid affects people differently. Some are only sick for a few days. Some go through multiple cycles of being sick. Some are sick for months. My own about I was slightly I'll for 2 days, felt fine for 5 days, became extremely I'll for a day, was only slightly I'll for 2 weeks and then was extremely I'll for 10 days. That's more than a month with 1 about. There was also an additional 2 months with a persistent cough.
As for my getting sick with Covid, you caught me. I spent 2 weeks in the Bogota Courtyard by Marriott, without leaving my room, just to convince everyone the vaccines don't work. Yep. Absolutely.
Have I mentioned that you write shit without bothering to think it through?
https://thebogotapost.com/colombia-to-require-vaccination-certificates-from-november-16/49401/
'This includes: Pubs, bars, cinemas, nightclubs, concerts, casinos, sports events, church services, museums, and theme parks. From November 16, anyone over the age of 18 will need to show their vaccination proof.'
That's the gist of it.
MarquisdeSade1
11-17-21, 17:28
Here we go again with the douches pretending they have knowledge, https://www.science.org/content/article/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some "To count as a case of reinfection, a patient must have had a positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test twice with at least one symptom-free month in between. But virologist Chantal Reusken of the Dutch National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) explains that a second test can also be positive because the patient has a residue of nonreplicating viral RNA from their original infection in their respiratory tract, because of an infection with two viruses at the same time or because they had suppressed but never fully cleared the virus."
Then there is this chart from the CDC showing that on September 4, the last date data was recorded, that one out of every 6 recorded cases of Covid was in the vaccinated: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status.
So I do not what the douches are talking about. I have seen people not clear Covid for 4 weeks. Most people do, but there are many who do not. Of course, I have only seen hundreds of cases in person while the douches watch MSNBC and read the NYT and pat each other on the back about how smart they are.
As for Paulie's contention, there are two sides, there are. The Republican retards who do not want to vax anyone including 80 year olds with poor immunity, and the Democratic douches who want to vaccinate healthy 5 year olds..Here a question, with all these vax mandates, why the fuck don't they apply to Congress?
Mr Enternational
11-17-21, 20:08
Meanwhile you keep crying about some big, bad bullies trying to shame you for not getting vaccinated. I'll buy you a crying towel and a box of tampons.What the fuck? Why is your thing to always change what people say? I never said anyone was trying to shame me. I spoke about people in general, not me personally.
MarquisdeSade1
11-17-21, 21:44
What the fuck? Why is your thing to always change what people say? I never said anyone was trying to shame me. I spoke about people in general, not me personally.But she sure can take a huge shit on stage and throw it in the audience and piss and spit all over everything and just yell a lot.
You're trying to debate someone that belongs in a straightjacket 24/7 in a state hospital somewhere, permanently!
#1 troll on all of ISG.
https://yourmileagemayvary.net/2021/11/17/man-trashes-msp-airport-threatens-tsa-agents-life-its-a-free-country/
Must be one of her friends.
It appears there are some things you don't understand.
Let's start with the basics. You keep referring to the vaccines as "clot shot. " Current studies indicate that about 20% of people with Covid develop blood clots. Both the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines have a rare side effects of causing blood clots, almost exclusively in women under 60 and primarily in women under 24. The incidence of blood clots from the vaccine is much lower than the incidence of blood clots from Covid. Unless you're a woman, under the age of 60, a group most of us don't belong to, your risk of blood clots from the vaccine is almost non-existent, while you're risk of blood clots from Covid is reasonably high.
"Herd immunity" is not a precise measure. I'm going to refer to it as "criticality" for a moment.
A nuclear reactor is considered "critical" at a SUR (Startup Rate) of 1. That is, when the reactor power level is exactly self-sustaining, when each atom which undergoes fission causes exactly 1 other atom to fission, the power level is stable. The reactor could be at 10% power, or 100% power, but as long as that ratio is equal to 1, the reactor is critical. If it's greater than 1, it's supercritical, under 1, subcritical. This ratio is the most important measure of the reactor, because if it gets too high, the reactor effectively becomes a bomb. (This is something the movies have always fucked up. They'll say "the reactor is critical" and panic, but critical is where you want the reactor to be.)..Great post and 100% spot on. Nice analogy to nuclear reactor start up.
Mr Enternational
11-18-21, 01:13
Remember just a few weeks ago when you were trying to shame me because I said the authorities have the right to search your phone? Remember arguing that they couldn't and wouldn't do that?No I do not remember that! So in order to show that you are not the chronic liar or habitual misunderstander that everyone already knows that you are, please quote the post where I said these things.
You are forever accusing people of saying things, but it is funny that you never do something as simple as quote the post where they said it. Put up or shut up, although we know the chance of you shutting up is absolute zero.
Mr Enternational
11-18-21, 02:07
Here's what I think happened. You fabricated the whole thing, in an attempt to show the vaccine is useless.You are a piece of work. The way you get into people's head and read people's thoughts. The only problem with your bullshit telepathy is why would I need to show the vaccine is useless? That has never even been an argument of mine. Find one post where I have said the vaccine is useless. My only argument is that people should not suffer social persecution and ramifications because they do not want to take the vaccine. I notice that you waste a lot of unnecessary thinking on shit that you can just simply ask about. But I guess asking is too easy.
As for my getting sick with Covid, you caught me. I spent 2 weeks in the Bogota Courtyard by Marriott, without leaving my room, just to convince everyone the vaccines don't work. Yep. Absolutely.It seems you were the one trying to prove the vaccine is useless. Least of all it was useless for you. You go get the vaccine, contract covid, then proceed to spread it around on 2 continents. I do not get the vaccine and I have not had a trace of covid. So getting the vaccine did not work for you, but not getting the vaccine has been working for me for almost 2 years now. Hmmm.
I am not against vaccination by the way. But I am going to drag JustTK into this because me and him were 2 unvaccinated fools hanging out together partially wearing masks all over the cesspool of downtown Medellin. I don't know about JustTK, but I felt fine in the days after, and even took a covid test that turned out to be what? NEGATIVE!
https://mises.org/wire/why-bidens-vaccine-mandate-hasnt-delivered-promised-results.
Let me start with my favorite line of the whole article: As of August 25,2021, it takes over twenty-five hundred vaccinations to prevent a single death in the US. The data for the developed world are worse.You either do not read what you cite, or you do not fully comprehend what you read. Let me help you out, my man (cont).
You should have included the two sentences preceding your quote.
"Figure 1 analyzes efficacy based on the entire US population. The number to vaccinate in order to prevent a single death can be calculated from the slope of the regression line."
Now let's have a look at those blue dots in Figure 1. Does that look light a straight line to you? If yes, with all due respect, I encourage you to get your eyes checked. If not, and you still think the statement you quoted makes sense, you should maybe ask the institution that granted your degree (if any) for a refund.
If I am not mistaken, the most logical COVID article you previously put forward was written by a guy with expertise in animal husbandry. This one is just as bad. I always try to be polite to people, but some of your posts really are a bit embarrassing.
No I do not remember that! So in order to show that you are not the chronic liar or habitual misunderstander that everyone already knows that you are, please quote the post where I said these things.
You are forever accusing people of saying things, but it is funny that you never do something as simple as quote the post where they said it. Put up or shut up, although we know the chance of you shutting up is absolute zero.Ask and ye shall receive. Bear with me here, I'm going to cover both of your posts in this one.
I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!Here you'll see where you insinuate that people are calling you a piece of shit for not getting vaccinated. Seems like nitpicking to say that's markedly different from "being shamed. " So, if people are calling you a "piece of shit" for not getting vaccinated, and people are being shamed for not getting vaccinated, can you understand how that appears as if you're talking about yourself? If it makes you feel better, I can just refer to you as "piece of shit" from this point.
Now to the security searching phones.
Let's start here:
Anything is possible, but is it at all probable? You guys act like the man is going to walk through immigration cussing people out and making demands. And who even is this person that is supposed to be asking him to unlock his phone? Everytime I pass through, it is just simple security saying to put things on the belt and do you have anything in your pockets.
The time I was taken to the back it had nothing to do with that. I was actually in the front of the airport just hanging around waiting to check in or something and the guy came up to me and told me to come to the back room for a random search. You guys are acting like someone telling a passenger to unlock their phone is an everyday occurrence when it is not. Next up: what to do and not do when you get a snake bite in Botero Park.Here you're declaring that having your phone checked is as unlikely as getting a snake bite in Botero Park (it's Botero Plaza, not Park).
As I said just because something is improbable, doesn't mean it never happens. The question wasn't about the likelihood, it was about the legal right for the relevant authorities to search your phone. Patience. I want to make sure I cover your request completely. Next up:
When did the conversation turn to lawful requests? Last time I saw the conversation it was about unlocking your electronics for the Colombian authorities, but it was never established whether this is lawful or not. I only saw people yelling do whatever they tell you so you will not miss your flight or get framed.While you don't say it's not legal for the relevant authorities to unlock and search your phone, you are questioning whether or not it qualifies as a legal search.
Again, could be and will be are different things. You could be struck by lightning today so you better stay inside. The chances of you being detained for not opening a stupid phone, I would say are close to zero, same as the chances of you getting struck by lightning today. Are you really going to walk outside and challenge that lightning?Here you're saying having your phone searched is as unlikely as getting struck by lightning. Another of your logical fallacies. There's no relationship between the two. I cut out all the silly stuff where you babbled about getting stopped by the Dominican police in a car. Seems kinda of dumb for you to throw that in after your complaint the discussion is about getting your phone searched at the airport. I understood the implication though, that just because the police request something, it's not necessarily legal. That appears to say that it's illegal for the relevant authorities to search your phone. Let's move to your closing argument.
To answer your question, yes I would recommend someone comply with a lawful order, but if they are not sure whether it is lawful or not, then do not be afraid ask to be shown the code giving them the authority to ask for what they are asking for or ask for a higher authority that can verify they are allowed to be asking for that. Don't just roll over and do whatever is being asked because it "could" cost you time or money.When I backed you up against the wall, you came up with this wishy-washy response. This is your fight or flight response, and it's definitely got its sneakers on. You're refusing to admit such a request is legal, but you're unwilling to take a position.
How do you know he is following orders? Moreover, if he was following orders, how do you know the orders he was given were legal? He could be acting on his own thinking he is doing something good and beneficial, or he could even have misunderstood orders. Have you ever done something in a different way than you were taught or were supposed to be doing it? I certainly have.
To nip this in the bud, please show where it is legal for the people at the airport in Colombia to ask passengers to unlock their electronic devices. And if you can not do that then I will gladly go to them and ask when I leave Colombia 2 days from now.Now we're getting somewhere. Again, implication and a refusal to accept the legality of the search is your modus operandi.
Need I continue? All of the drawn out discussion was because you kept arguing against people allowing the relevant authorities to search their phones. You can bluster and bullshit all you want, but it's all there. Talking about snakebites and Dominican police and fucking mustard packets, instead of accepting a simple fact. And then somehow it's my fault, for stating that fact clearly from the fucking beginning.
What was the conclusion, when you asked at the airport? Plain and simple, that what you spent a week arguing against was exactly what I told you again and again and again.
It's one thing to post such idiotic shit, but you took it to a whole new level by asking me to put your idiocy on display for everyone. I'm a people pleaser. If you want to make a fool of yourself and want me to point it out to everyone, I'm happy to oblige.
You are a piece of work. The way you get into people's head and read people's thoughts. The only problem with your bullshit telepathy is why would I need to show the vaccine is useless? That has never even been an argument of mine. Find one post where I have said the vaccine is useless. My only argument is that people should not suffer social persecution and ramifications because they do not want to take the vaccine. I notice that you waste a lot of unnecessary thinking on shit that you can just simply ask about. But I guess asking is too easy.
It seems you were the one trying to prove the vaccine is useless. Least of all it was useless for you. You go get the vaccine, contract covid, then proceed to spread it around on 2 continents. I do not get the vaccine and I have not had a trace of covid. So getting the vaccine did not work for you, but not getting the vaccine has been working for me for almost 2 years now. Hmmm.Continuing on. ISG decided I was done and posted.
When Cassius Clay, AKA Muhammad Ali, was drafted, he told them they could lock him up. He didn't run to Canada, didn't shit his pants and pretend insanity, didn't pay a doctor to get deferred. He took a stand and accepted the"social persecution and ramifications."
When you and JustTK decided to oppose vaccination, you both claimed a moral position, which is fine. However, instead of standing on your moral positions, you both keep trying to show the vaccines are ineffective. You with ridiculous examples and JustTK with lying about the results of studies.
To simplify it:
If your opposition to vaccination is as you stated, the effectiveness of the vaccines doesn't matter. If the vaccines are ineffective, social persecution and ramifications don't matter.
How have you made it this far without learning the basics of logic?
Mr Enternational
11-18-21, 19:56
Ask and ye shall receive. Bear with me here, I'm going to cover both of your posts in this one.
Here you'll see where you insinuate that people are calling you a piece of shit for not getting vaccinated. You need to take a trip back to English 101 to learn comprehension skills. Questioning whether something is legal is not saying something is illegal. It is merely a question.
I was not insinuating anything. I was asking how can people be labeled heros in one breath and be labeled the scourge of society in another. The only reason I refered to myself is because of my connection to the military and my connection of not being vaccinated. Even still I have never been labeled or called a hero nor a piece of shit. I am speaking from a societal point of view. Myself, I look at the military as a regular job and not something special to praise people for. Most people that go in do it for what they will get, not because they are trying to be some kind of patriot.
Run to the store for me. Most people would understand that I want them to make a trip to the store. But with your comprehension you would put on sneakers and literally run. Then when you came back and I asked why you were out of breath, you would say you told me to run.
Mr Enternational
11-18-21, 20:02
If your opposition to vaccination is as you stated, the effectiveness of the vaccines doesn't matter. If the vaccines are ineffective, social persecution and ramifications don't matter.What the fuck dude. Are you being serious right now? I explicitly said I was not against vaccination and here you come saying "if your opposition to vaccination is as you stated". I am pro choice; I am not anti-vax. How are you understanding these two very different things to mean the same thing? Add basic reading skills to the comprehension skills that you need.
I do not know whether the vaccine works, but I do know that it did not work for you!
Social ramifications always matter. Take a look at the movie Idiocracy where society started watering crops with Gatorade wondering why they were starving to death. Mf with sense comes along and tells them it is better to use water and they wanted to throw him in jail.
Seems like life is definitely imitating art these days when what matters is if you have the vaccination and not whether you have the disease.
Mr Enternational
11-18-21, 21:12
Here you're declaring that having your phone checked is as unlikely as getting a snake bite in Botero Park (it's Botero Plaza, not Park).Exactly! I said it was improbable and not likely. I did not say it was impossible and illegal as you attributed to me yesterday.
Remember just a few weeks ago when you were trying to shame me because I said the authorities have the right to search your phone? Remember arguing that they couldn't and wouldn't do that?
Hey, are you in Colombia? My gal just told me I have to bring my vaccine card as it is required everywhere. She is in Bogota. Are you seeing that too?Yeah, I am still here. Just spent the past week in Sta Marta. Loved it. Yeah, they instroduced the measures while I was there. Seems a lot of places are displaying the notices at the moment, but no one is enforcing it. Maybe once the police recogise tbhis as a new opportunity to extort cash, they might be forced in to being compliant with the state mandates. Difficult to predict which way it will go. Will the people riot and overthrow the new manadtes, will the business organisers ignore the rules and the government lose motivation, will the police get heavy, will confirence in the virus continue to slide and everyone give up. Who knows. And all this is a country where the virus is already well under control. Its just farcical, it really is.
...you are not the chronic liar or habitual misunderstander that everyone already knows that you are, please quote the post where I said these things..Hehe, you noticed that too, hey!! He is unbelievable. He always misquotes, bcos it helps him put forward his arguments, but all it really demomstrtaes is that he is one of those people that is unable to pay attention; he simply sees or reads what suits his narrative and strawman's you. Good luck arguing with him. You will be going round in circles forever because he will keep changing your storyline back to the one he wants to attack. Hehe.
BTW. Yeah, I am still virus-free. Tried really hard to catch the damn virus, bar breaking in to an ICU. Hehe. It may be anecdotal, but it seems to me that good health and a decent diet is just as effective at preventing contagion as the darn vax. Not to worry, I will not give in yet. I will continue to put my respiratory and other organs where others fear to go.
The only reason I refered to myself is because of my connection to the military and my connection of not being vaccinated. Even still I have never been labeled or called a hero nor a piece of shit.I'll bite on this one. You're not a hero for being in the military, because as you say, it's just a job choice. But you are a piece of shit for not getting vaccinated. So, bottom line, you're just a piece of shit like every other unvaccinated asshole running around threatening others.
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd. " - Bertrand Russell.
Always appreciated the great man. I wonder though if he would appreciate being quoted here on this website several times. Hehe.
I'll bite on this one. You're not a hero for being in the military, because as you say, it's just a job choice. But you are a piece of shit for not getting vaccinated. So, bottom line, you're just a piece of shit like every other unvaccinated asshole running around threatening others.Eloquently stated on all points.
MarquisdeSade1
11-19-21, 01:31
What the fuck dude. Are you being serious right now? I explicitly said I was not against vaccination and here you come saying "if your opposition to vaccination is as you stated". I am pro choice; I am not anti-vax. How are you understanding these two very different things to mean the same thing? Add basic reading skills to the comprehension skills that you need.
I do not know whether the vaccine works, but I do know that it did not work for you!
Social ramifications always matter. Take a look at the movie Idiocracy where society started watering crops with Gatorade wondering why they were starving to death. Mf with sense comes along and tells them it is better to use water and they wanted to throw him in jail.
Seems like life is definitely imitating art these days when what matters is if you have the vaccination and not whether you have the disease.Barry Hussein aka Prez Comacho.
Dood at the pay fone trying to overpay the puta was hilarious reminds me of the fools in Tijuana jajajajaaaaaa.
MarquisdeSade1
11-19-21, 01:49
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd. " - Bertrand Russell.
Always appreciated the great man. I wonder though if he would appreciate being quoted here on this website several times. Hehe.Ala Bertrand and Christopher Hitchens.
LoveItHere69
11-19-21, 04:55
Democrats either took some really good notes watching Marvel or they are Hydra!
"Hydra was founded on the belief that humanity could not be trusted with its own freedom. What we did not realize was that if you tried to take that freedom, they resist. The war taught us much. Humanity needed to surrender its freedom willingly." COVID!
I'll bite on this one. You're not a hero for being in the military, because as you say, it's just a job choice. But you are a piece of shit for not getting vaccinated. So, bottom line, you're just a piece of shit like every other unvaccinated asshole running around threatening others.The vaccine is so successful that the vaccinated have to have a lockdown in Austria.
I would never have taken the vaccine if I had known how badly the vaccinated would be treated, I can't even travel to Dubai nor Brazil without having to take a PCR- test just like the unvaccinated.
The vaccine is a scam.
Elvis 2008
11-19-21, 10:20
I'll bite on this one. You're not a hero for being in the military, because as you say, it's just a job choice. But you are a piece of shit for not getting vaccinated. So, bottom line, you're just a piece of shit like every other unvaccinated asshole running around threatening others.In the UK, there are about 1800 people making claims against vaccine manufacturers. See the link: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/vaccine-damage-payouts-uk-could-soar-next-year.
The Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme (VDPS) is a one-off tax-free payment of 120,000 ($160,000) if someone is proved to have been severely disabled as a result of vaccination from diseases such as measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR), swine flu, and more. Historically, the average number of annual assessments for the scheme has been 100. It is now estimated that there will be 1,500 to 1,800 claims, according to the tender document.
110,206,709 vaccine doses have been administered in the country as of Nov. 17.
Given that it takes 2500 shots to prevent one life, and that varies based on age and health condition, it seems to me that you are a real dick for making fun of someone's health care decision making, but this is what we have come to expect from you Democratic douches.
Seriously, where the fuck do you get off injecting yourself into someone's most personal decision? Maybe we should be checking to make sure that condom is correctly on your dick when you go to fuck.
The other part that is disgusting is that in the USA, the vaccine manufacturers get a pass from lawsuits. And the government officials who are pushing the vaccines are legally immune is well. That is not exactly confidence inspiring. Of course, a douche like you is in favor of the government getting a pass on any responsibility.
I am so sick of you freedom hating douches cheering on government irresponsibility. I still do not get why you cheer on the same government that has made it so profitable for women to soak men so badly that you have to go to Colombia.
Elvis 2008
11-19-21, 10:43
Yeah, I am still here. Just spent the past week in Sta Marta. Loved it. Yeah, they instroduced the measures while I was there. Seems a lot of places are displaying the notices at the moment, but no one is enforcing it. Maybe once the police recogise tbhis as a new opportunity to extort cash, they might be forced in to being compliant with the state mandates. Difficult to predict which way it will go. Will the people riot and overthrow the new manadtes, will the business organisers ignore the rules and the government lose motivation, will the police get heavy, will confirence in the virus continue to slide and everyone give up. Who knows. And all this is a country where the virus is already well under control. Its just farcical, it really is.That is good to know. My gal said it is being enforced in Bogota, Cartagena, and Barranquilla with establishments being fined up to 1 million COP. That is anecdotal but I think it is true.
I had to scrounge around and find my vaccine card. Anyway, I look at it and you know what is there? There are two lines under the first 2 injections marked other and other. In other words, these fuckers knew the vaccine was going to fail and planned on boosters as soon as the vaccine was rolled out.
And the most vaccinated country on earth, Gibaltar, which is 99 to 118% vaccinated, is seeing an explosion in cases.
https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/press-releases/rise-in-active-covid-19-cases-public-urged-to-be-cautious-and-reduce-mixing-8452021-7433
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/most-vaccinated-nation-earth-cancels-christmas-over-surge-cases
And they are going on lockdown.
Then you have Ireland at 93% going on lockdown as well.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/93-vaccinated-ireland-has-gone-back-partial-lockdown-including-midnight-curfew
You would think by now we would learn but we don't.
I love the Charlie Brown Peanuts comic strips where Charlie Brown went to kick a football and Lucy would pull it back, and Charlie Brown would fall on his ass.
https://*******.com/4yx6ey62
In fact, when I went on seeking dates, I would inevitably run into women who would get cold feet at the last minute and cancel. I called that pulling a Lucy.
Things is the so called "scientists" keep pulling a Lucy with the American public. The pandemic will be over if you wash your hands, social distance, wear masks, get your vaccine ETC. You would think after 100 million cases that the public would be like, "Oh no, you guys are full of it. We are no longer listening to you", but they have not.
As for you JustTK, it is hilarious to me that your own actions to prevent getting sick (or trying to) are looked at with disdain. Like you JustTK, the reason I have avoided getting sick IMO were my own actions: staying away from people who looked sick, keeping conversations to a minimum especially with people who looked sick or had Covid. I have seen hundreds of people with Covid and have not gotten myself.
The irony is that when I shared what worked with me, I had some douche here say, "Avoiding sick people is not going to cut it. " Where do these douches get off saying crap like that? Why would anyone believe Fauci and all the "scientists" after all we have seen?
PedroMorales
11-19-21, 12:39
Austria, birth place of Herr Hitler, has mandated the clot shot for all. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10220735/Europes-Covid-crisis-Austria-makes-vaccines-mandatory-EVERYONE.html?fbclid=IwAR09crS50_7_FhXztrE3e2dTDVcZJoCfLD-kWq75_M_RiBFSND5uU3BrS3o.
JohnnyWalker55
11-19-21, 16:00
I'll bite on this one. You're not a hero for being in the military, because as you say, it's just a job choice. But you are a piece of shit for not getting vaccinated. So, bottom line, you're just a piece of shit like every other unvaccinated asshole running around threatening others.Never knew govt / big pharma could wage such a stong propaganda campaign, I'm sure you'd be the first one to tell the brownshirts where anne frank was.
Then again, you can't have an intelligent discussion with vaccinated people because of the inherent bias, because the alternative to them being "right" is realizing they were duped with a shitty treatment shot that doesn't "stop the spread" or prevent you from contracting covid, like real vaccines do for polio or cholera. Enjoy your required boosters every six months for the rest of your life because of your *now* compromised immune system. sickening.
PedroMorales
11-19-21, 16:27
I'll bite on this one. You're not a hero for being in the military, because as you say, it's just a job choice. But you are a piece of shit for not getting vaccinated. So, bottom line, you're just a piece of shit like every other unvaccinated asshole running around threatening others.Go to Austria, birthplace of Hitler, where vaccinations (sic) by bullies are compulsory.
Never knew govt / big pharma could wage such a stong propaganda campaign, I'm sure you'd be the first one to tell the brownshirts where anne frank was.
Then again, you can't have an intelligent discussion with vaccinated people because of the inherent bias, because the alternative to them being "right" is realizing they were duped with a shitty treatment shot that doesn't "stop the spread" or prevent you from contracting covid, like real vaccines do for polio or cholera. Enjoy your required boosters every six months for the rest of your life because of your *now* compromised immune system. sickening.I'm vaccinated and it was here in Colombia. I don't really care that some people don't want to get vaccinated. The main objection I have is most people who post negative comments on here about the vaccine are blissfully unaware of the realities involved. Just look at what you said. This "shitty treatment" reduces the likelihood of you receiving the infection by dramatic percentages. It also greatly reduces the possibility of you spreading the virus too.
(I. E. You are anywhere from 50%-90% less likely to get the infection (depending on how long ago you received the vaccination) and since you are less likely to contract the virus in the first place you are also less likely to transmit it. (I. E. You can't transmit it if you don't have it). Also you are going to recover more quickly and less likely to die. If you get the virus and recover faster. Then the window of 'having it' to spread it is smaller also.
Is the vaccine perfect? No, not yet. You can still get the infection but it is much less likely. You make another stupid comment about 'real vaccines' not needing boosters. Well here are a few vaccines where boosters are the norm. Hepatitis A, Hepatitis be, Measles, Tetanus, Shingles, Pneumonia among others.
Here is an article talking about these issues from USA Today. It also includes the sources for much of their commentary.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/17/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-protect-against-infection-transmission/6403678001/
Never knew govt / big pharma could wage such a stong propaganda campaign, I'm sure you'd be the first one to tell the brownshirts where anne frank was.
Then again, you can't have an intelligent discussion with vaccinated people because of the inherent bias, because the alternative to them being "right" is realizing they were duped with a shitty treatment shot that doesn't "stop the spread" or prevent you from contracting covid, like real vaccines do for polio or cholera. Enjoy your required boosters every six months for the rest of your life because of your *now* compromised immune system. sickening.Wow, so many BrainWashed DkHds out there. Getting poopied pants for people not accepting Poison into their body. CovidVax is a Lottery of Death and serious Illness and you're a piece of Sht for not wanting to risk your life. Just wow. Neurotic psycho vaxer DkHds.
I'm vaccinated and it was here in Colombia. I don't really care that some people don't want to get vaccinated. The main objection I have is most people who post negative comments on here about the vaccine are blissfully unaware of the realities involved. Just look at what you said. This "shitty treatment" reduces the likelihood of you receiving the infection by dramatic percentages. It also greatly reduces the possibility of you spreading the virus too.
(I. E. You are anywhere from 50%-90% less likely to get the infection (depending on how long ago you received the vaccination) and since you are less likely to contract the virus in the first place you are also less likely to transmit it. (I. E. You can't transmit it if you don't have it). Also you are going to recover more quickly and less likely to die. If you get the virus and recover faster. Then the window of 'having it' to spread it is smaller also.
Is the vaccine perfect? No, not yet. You can still get the infection but it is much less likely. You make another stupid comment about 'real vaccines' not needing boosters. Well here are a few vaccines where boosters are the norm. Hepatitis A, Hepatitis be, Measles, Tetanus, Shingles, Pneumonia among others.
Here is an article talking about these issues from USA Today. It also includes the sources for much of their commentary.And thank you for bringing a link with evidence, something besides the unsubstantiated, unsourced, dishonest by omission, rehased poop spun out by parrots who only read right wingnut media. There's a reason why the vast majority of individuals dying from Covid since the vaccine rollouts are the unvaccinated. Duh. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
Wow, so many BrainWashed DkHds out there..Pot calling the kettle black. Find the nearest mirror.
JohnnyWalker55
11-19-21, 18:58
I'm vaccinated and it was here in Colombia. I don't really care that some people don't want to get vaccinated. The main objection I have is most people who post negative comments on here about the vaccine are blissfully unaware of the realities involved. Just look at what you said. This "shitty treatment" reduces the likelihood of you receiving the infection by dramatic percentages. It also greatly reduces the possibility of you spreading the virus too.
(I. E. You are anywhere from 50%-90% less likely to get the infection (depending on how long ago you received the vaccination) and since you are less likely to contract the virus in the first place you are also less likely to transmit it. (I. E. You can't transmit it if you don't have it). Also you are going to recover more quickly and less likely to die. If you get the virus and recover faster. Then the window of 'having it' to spread it is smaller also.
Is the vaccine perfect? No, not yet. You can still get the infection but it is much less likely. You make another stupid comment about 'real vaccines' not needing boosters. Well here are a few vaccines where boosters are the norm. Hepatitis A, Hepatitis be, Measles, Tetanus, Shingles, Pneumonia among others.
Here is an article talking about these issues from USA Today. It also includes the sources for much of their commentary.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/17/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-protect-against-infection-transmission/6403678001/No, it doesn't reduce transmission, what it does is reduce the chance of death, and even that is proving not effective. Which is why the cdc mandated masks for indoor spaces again. And why you need boosters because the effectiveness is under 50% after 6 months. This isn't even debatable. Because the vaccine does nothing to reduce transmission, especially with variants (that occur naturally, not because of the evil unvaxxed). because it's a respiratory virus, and vaccines don't exist for respiratory viruses. only treatments.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people
2 peer reviewed medical journals. ^ . trust the science
Get the shot if you want, I don't care. But mandating it is simply ridiculous. if you're not over 65/have 2 comorbidities it's literally the flu. statistically with the IFR. and if you're under 18 it's non lethal. literally And we have to take boosters every six months for shingles, tetanus, hepatitis? Seriously lmao?
It's not a vaccine, so stop calling it that. And linking an article from usa today (LOL!) shows me where you're at. the author is a mouthpiece for big pharma, linking clinical trials as proof of "vaccine" effectiveness
"trust the science! Debunked!
Like I said, you can't discuss the ineffectiveness of the covid shot with people who got it, because of the inherent bias.
if you can't see mandates as a power grab from the powers that be, I don't know what to tell you.
MarquisdeSade1
11-19-21, 19:43
That is good to know. My gal said it is being enforced in Bogota, Cartagena, and Barranquilla with establishments being fined up to 1 million COP. That is anecdotal but I think it is true.
I had to scrounge around and find my vaccine card. Anyway, I look at it and you know what is there? There are two lines under the first 2 injections marked other and other. In other words, these fuckers knew the vaccine was going to fail and planned on boosters as soon as the vaccine was rolled out.
And the most vaccinated country on earth, Gibaltar, which is 99 to 118% vaccinated, is seeing an explosion in cases.
https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/press-releases/rise-in-active-covid-19-cases-public-urged-to-be-cautious-and-reduce-mixing-8452021-7433
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/most-vaccinated-nation-earth-cancels-christmas-over-surge-cases
And they are going on lockdown.
Then you have Ireland at 93% going on lockdown as well.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/93-vaccinated-ireland-has-gone-back-partial-lockdown-including-midnight-curfew.The next cards could be larger and have 20 empty lines.
No, it doesn't reduce transmission, what it does is reduce the chance of death, and even that is proving not effective.Of course you provide no source material for this claim that the vaccines are "proving" to be ineffective against reducing mortality. And in fact, the one working link you provided, to the UC Davis article contradicts this claim and even your whole thesis altogether. See below. Have you been taking lessons from Elvis on sourcing?
"Although vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection are much less likely to become severely ill than unvaccinated, the new study shows that they can be carrying similar amounts of virus and could potentially spread the virus to other people. This study did not directly address how easily vaccinated people can get infected with SARS-CoV-2, or how readily someone with a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus.
'Our study does not provide information on infectiousness,' Michelmore said. 'Transmission will be influenced by several factors, not just vaccination status and viral load.'
Those factors could include, for example, when they were vaccinated and with what vaccine, the underlying status of their immune system, and the intensity of exposure.
It's very important to get vaccinated, Michelmore said, because vaccines greatly reduce the risk of severe disease, but you should not assume that because you are vaccinated you cannot get infected or transmit the disease to others. Mask-wearing and regular testing remain important, especially in areas of high prevalence."
Also your attempt to dismiss the USA Today fact check article, with no basis other than to appeal to your right wingnut media "big pharma" conspiracy theory is likewise a joke. That article is full of imbedded links to supporting sources, so if you want to discredit them all get to work. Thus far all you've offered is BS not above third rate barstool banter, while still calling Covid the flu and declaring anyone "healthy" under 65 safe. There's been many who've found themselves on their backs recanting such statements and some are now in the ground. Not to mention that the world is full of 40 and 50 somethings that think they are "healthy" but a thorough examination reveals otherwise.
P.S. It bears repeating. The overwhelming majority of those dying of Covid in the US are the unvaccinated, so man up and get the jab guys. Follow the advice of the article Johnny Walker just posted. He likely pulled it off a right wingnut blog, and those guys also have a habit of posting articles without reading them.
It's not a vaccine, so stop calling it that. And linking an article from usa today (LOL!) shows me where you're at. the author is a mouthpiece for big pharma, linking clinical trials as proof of "vaccine" effectiveness
"trust the science! Debunked!
Like I said, you can't discuss the ineffectiveness of the covid shot with people who got it, because of the inherent bias.
if you can't see mandates as a power grab from the powers that be, I don't know what to tell you.You know that many of the popular dctionaries have actually had to change their definition of vaccine, to accommodate the latest addition? They used to define it as a shot that gave immunity. But bcos the CV shot doesn't do that, they had to redfine what a fkn vax is! Haha. Tells you a lot.
They have also started to redefine what an anti-vaxxer is. Used to be someone that disuputed the efficacy of vaxxes or believed some hocus-pocus about tracking systems and space invaders. Now it includes those who argue against mandates. Its incredible. Truly, truly dystopian. Hope some of the smarter folks will eventually wake up to this.
You make another stupid comment about 'real vaccines' not needing boosters. Well here are a few vaccines where boosters are the norm. Hepatitis A, Hepatitis be, Measles, Tetanus, Shingles, Pneumonia among others.It comes down to who gets to define the term "vaccine. " I'll go with the medical professionals any day over mongers rehashing misinformation from right wingnut blogs and / or misrepresenting the findings of studies. According to the CDC a vaccine is "a preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases. " The Covid vaccine has been demonstrated to do this. It need not accomplish it's goal perfectly or permanently in order to fit the definition. Annual flu shots are also technically vaccines.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
Here's some info on the pneumonia vaccine and associated need for booster shots.
https://www.cdc.gov/pneumococcal/vaccination.html
So once again Johnny Walker is shrill and blustery but doesn't know what he's talking about. Is anyone surprised?
Austria, birth place of Herr Hitler, has mandated the clot shot for all. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10220735/Europes-Covid-crisis-Austria-makes-vaccines-mandatory-EVERYONE.html?fbclid=IwAR09crS50_7_FhXztrE3e2dTDVcZJoCfLD-kWq75_M_RiBFSND5uU3BrS3o.Invoking Hitler into this discussion is perhaps the most idiotic statement I have seen in my 20 years of reading monger boards. Cheers.
Invoking Hitler into this discussion is perhaps the most idiotic statement I have seen in my 20 years of reading monger boards. Cheers.For whatever reason mongering often doesn't draw the brightest bulbs in the box. Wink.
For whatever reason mongering often doesn't draw the brightest bulbs in the box. Wink.Yeah, you're the proof of that.
Elvis 2008
11-20-21, 06:24
It comes down to who gets to define the term "vaccine. " I'll go with the medical professionals any day over mongers rehashing misinformation from right wingnut blogs and / or misrepresenting the findings of studies. According to the CDC a vaccine is "a preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases. " The Covid vaccine has been demonstrated to do this. It need not accomplish it's goal perfectly or permanently in order to fit the definition. Annual flu shots are also technically vaccines.
So once again Johnny Walker is shrill and blustery but doesn't know what he's talking about. Is anyone surprised?You are such a 99.4% douche. First, you decry an Elvis source as one that is not correct and never give one example. Then you are completely fucking clueless about the controversy with the CDC and the term vaccination and assign blame to the right wing nuts when it is the government whose dick you are sucking that is the source of the problem.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html#storylink=cpy.
Here it is: Before the change, the definition for "vaccination" read, "the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease. " Now, the word "immunity" has been switched to "protection. " The term "vaccine" also got a makeover. The CDC's definition changed from "a product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease" to the current "a preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases."
You know what this is? A famous Democratic douche tactic in that you change the meaning of what a word means when you have no way out of winning an argument. Let me give you an example, "That depends on what your definition of is is. ".
Another favorite douche tactic is to compare the Covid vaccine to Polio. Well, guess what, the Covid vaccine is not in the same class as the polio vaccine, and the CDC had to change the definition of what the word vaccination was to fit them in together.
MarquisdeSade1
11-20-21, 07:16
Invoking Hitler into this discussion is perhaps the most idiotic statement I have seen in my 20 years of reading monger boards. Cheers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
PedroMorales
11-20-21, 13:17
Invoking Hitler into this discussion is perhaps the most idiotic statement I have seen in my 20 years of reading monger boards. Cheers.Psychman.
Please excuse me as explaining things to American morons is not easy.
1. Austria doing Covid segregation is setting a precedent that Slovakia has already followed and Germany is considering is important.
2. Hitler was born in Austria. These new German and Austrian rules have been compared countless times to the segregation rules Hitler's honchos practiced in (Czecho) Slovakia and elsewhere.
3. Hitler had been a (male) prostitute in Austria. Evidence for that can be seen by examing who was murdered on The Night of the Long Knives. Dead (gay) men tell no tales.
4. Hitler was a pervert who, if he were alive today, would probably be posting nude photos of his niece, who had to do all sorts of sordid things to him, on the Philippines board.
5. As Hitler is a metric for many things today, he features often on the Internet as a meme or a simile, like "as cold as ice" "as hot as hell", "as stupid as a Psychman".
6. Shouldn't you be in Kenosha, looting in memory of the perverts Rittinhouse wasted?
PedroMorales
11-20-21, 14:58
For whatever reason mongering often doesn't draw the brightest bulbs in the box. Wink.Gives 44,000,000 hits. You think all of those links derive from those not "the brightest bulbs in the box. Wink. "
Go check that. And google argumentum ab auctoritate, which is where you derive your arguments (sic). Wink.
Mongering attracts morons like you, who have no hope of getting a root unless you pay well over the going rate for it. Now back you go to loot over the Rittinhouse acquittal. Wink.
Then you are completely fucking clueless about the controversy with the CDC and the term vaccination and assign blame to the right wing nuts when it is the government whose dick you are sucking that is the source of the problem.
Here it is: Before the change, the definition for "vaccination" read, "the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease. " Now, the word "immunity" has been switched to "protection. " The term "vaccine" also got a makeover. The CDC's definition changed from "a product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease" to the current "a preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases."They all claim science is on their side, but guess what? None of them ever provide any science. They are not able to bcos, guess what? The science is not on their side. "I am going to go with the CDC definition. " haha, I bet he is. Bcos the CDC have changed the fkn definition to suit their narrative. That is the point! A point whkich sadly evades him.
MarquisdeSade1
11-20-21, 18:53
Psychman.
Please excuse me as explaining things to American morons is not easy.
1. Austria doing Covid segregation is setting a precedent that Slovakia has already followed and Germany is considering is important.
2. Hitler was born in Austria. These new German and Austrian rules have been compared countless times to the segregation rules Hitler's honchos practiced in (Czecho) Slovakia and elsewhere.
3. Hitler had been a (male) prostitute in Austria. Evidence for that can be seen by examing who was murdered on The Night of the Long Knives. Dead (gay) men tell no tales.
4. Hitler was a pervert who, if he were alive today, would probably be posting nude photos of his niece, who had to do all sorts of sordid things to him, on the Philippines board.
5. As Hitler is a metric for many things today, he features often on the Internet as a meme or a simile, like "as cold as ice" "as hot as hell", "as stupid as a Psychman".
6. Shouldn't you be in Kenosha, looting in memory of the perverts Rittinhouse wasted?Encore. Encore.
MarquisdeSade1
11-20-21, 18:55
Gives 44,000,000 hits. You think all of those links derive from those not "the brightest bulbs in the box. Wink. "
Go check that. And google argumentum ab auctoritate, which is where you derive your arguments (sic). Wink.
Mongering attracts morons like you, who have no hope of getting a root unless you pay well over the going rate for it. Now back you go to loot over the Rittinhouse acquittal. Wink.Great minds.
For whatever reason mongering often doesn't draw the brightest bulbs in the box. Wink.
Yeah, you're the proof of that.Says the guy who thinks the closest comparative match to Sweden is Iran, Syria and Iraq. You've forfeited any credibility with that one.
Says the guy who thinks the closest comparative match to Sweden is Iran, Syria and Iraq. You've forfeited any credibility with that one.Says the guy who thinks that Sweden is genetically homogeoneous and all Scandinavian countries are exactly the same. You're even so retarded that you actually said that all well-paid jobs in Europe are with US companies.
You're clearly brain damaged.
Says the guy who thinks that Sweden is genetically homogeoneous and all Scandinavian countries are exactly the same. You're even so retarded that you actually said that all well-paid jobs in Europe are with US companies.
You're clearly brain damaged.Not brain damaged. Simply flawed. My biggest flaw is arguing with people who aren't very bright and can't read. Maybe English is not your native language. Who knows. Who cares.
Here is an article I saw in the Washington Post which color codes countries and regions according to their ethnic diversity:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/
As to your other silly comment. I never said "all well-paid jobs in Europe are with US companies." If you could read or comprehend English you would see that I responded to a comment from one of your brethren, who said that Europe has higher average salaries that the US. My comment was that it was largely due to jobs with US companies. Those high paying tech jobs and finance jobs do raise the average quite a bit.
Since you can't read and your analytical ability is on a par with your reading ability. It really is a waste of time dealing with you.
Not brain damaged. Simply flawed. My biggest flaw is arguing with people who aren't very bright and can't read. Maybe English is not your native language. Who knows. Who cares.
Here is an article I saw in the Washington Post which color codes countries and regions according to their ethnic diversity:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/
As to your other silly comment. I never said "all well-paid jobs in Europe are with US companies." If you could read or comprehend English you would see that I responded to a comment from one of your brethren, who said that Europe has higher average salaries that the US. My comment was that it was largely due to jobs with US companies. Those high paying tech jobs and finance jobs do raise the average quite a bit.
Since you can't read and your analytical ability is on a par with your reading ability. It really is a waste of time dealing with you.He can't deal with the actual arguments so he creates a caricature and argues against that while attributing it to you. It's the best he can do, irrespective of any reading abilities, as he wants to engage but lacks the wits to do so.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
P.S. This is the same twerp that desperately wants to be an American but never can be. He was caught repeatedly pretending to be one in the the politics forum.
He can't deal with the actual arguments so he creates a caricature and argues against that while attributing it to you. It's the best he can do, irrespective of any reading abilities, as he wants to engage but lacks the wits to do so.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
P.S. This is the same twerp that desperately wants to be an American but never can be. He was caught repeatedly pretending to be one in the the politics forum.You are quite correct. And there are a few others who follow the same path. They can't formulate a reasonable argument or logical premise so they alter what was (said) written to provide them with a platform to argue what they want.
He can't deal with the actual arguments so he creates a caricature and argues against that while attributing it to you. It's the best he can do, irrespective of any reading abilities, as he wants to engage but lacks the wits to do so.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
P.S. This is the same twerp that desperately wants to be an American but never can be. He was caught repeatedly pretending to be one in the the politics forum.Why do the US libtards always lie and make up shit? Its not normal, at least not in Europe. Its sick, you need professional help.
Not brain damaged. Simply flawed. My biggest flaw is arguing with people who aren't very bright and can't read. Maybe English is not your native language. Who knows. Who cares.
Here is an article I saw in the Washington Post which color codes countries and regions according to their ethnic diversity:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/
As to your other silly comment. I never said "all well-paid jobs in Europe are with US companies." If you could read or comprehend English you would see that I responded to a comment from one of your brethren, who said that Europe has higher average salaries that the US. My comment was that it was largely due to jobs with US companies. Those high paying tech jobs and finance jobs do raise the average quite a bit.
Since you can't read and your analytical ability is on a par with your reading ability. It really is a waste of time dealing with you.No, your biggest flaws are that you are arrogant and brain damaged. You make your embarrassing and incorrect statements yet you keep making even more idiotic comments instead of simply apologizing and admitting that I'm way smarter and knowledgeable than you are.
I've said it before and I will say it again, you're stuck in the 70's. Its because of people you, arrogant and out of touch with reality, that the rest of the world looks down on USAns for being fat and uneducated loudmouths. You do realize that you would be laughed out of the room if you made these ridiculous statements in Europe?
But lets remind you what you actually wrote about salaries in Europe: "Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies."
Haha, its so stupid and incorrect that I have to laugh. It doesn't matter if you said a large part or all, its still just as moronic and incorrect. Embarrassing.
There Shall cause a Great migration from Europe and Australia to escape the Neurotic Psycho Vaxer nazis. It will be like the pilgrims escaping religious persecution from England and Europe in the 17th century.
PedroMorales
11-22-21, 23:21
As to your other silly comment. I never said "all well-paid jobs in Europe are with US companies." If you could read or comprehend English you would see that I responded to a comment from one of your brethren, who said that Europe has higher average salaries that the US. My comment was that it was largely due to jobs with US companies. Those high paying tech jobs and finance jobs do raise the average quite a bit..Just popping in here to take a pop and remind people how stupid low class Americans are. German engineers are the world's best. That is not in dispute. Sweden and (belatedly) Finland are also good. Ditto Switzerland, Denmark and the Netherlands. Northern Italy and Austria are amongst the richest parts of Europe. There is a reason the super wealthy live in Switzerland. Italian and French brands dominate the luxury market. And you think they are all US dependent, you Walmart winker.
Germany has survived the US robbing its technology and kidnapping its engineers (Paperclip). The problem for Germany is US bullyboy tactics over its Russian deals and the threat China's amries of engineers pose. For every one engineer Germany can throw at a problem, China can throw hundreds.
America, land of fat women, does not figure.
Here is a snap shot of median (not "average" salaries, you American moron). Note Europe wins https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country.
Americans, of course, have no savings and most have no equity so they don't figure in the rainy day stakes. Too many hamburgers, not enough forward planning.
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