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Have you looked into sex dolls? They are getting increasingly lifelike.I have two of them and they are awesome. The only problem is I am lazy and don't like to clean them after use. So I have my maid clean them and that has a cost associated with it.
Banana Boi
01-07-19, 22:46
I have two of them and they are awesome. The only problem is I am lazy and don't like to clean them after use. So I have my maid clean them and that has a cost associated with it.I just take a bath with mine.
I don't give two shits if a girl I am paying gets off or not.
Agree 1000%
There is a difference between residents and visitors, that is true. However, for us "old school mongers" who have been engaging in P4 P for 20 plus years and have been doing the BKK thing since the 90's, we remember a time when you could get the best lookers easily and the egos of punters played little to no part in the scene.
Isn't the biggest factor the fact that you are 20+ years older? If you are 60 now don't you think you would still have a much higher success rate at getting the top girls if you were currently here as a guy in his mid to late 30s? Age matters for men just like age matters for the girls we choose!
I just take a bath with mine.Sounds romantic.
If you are 60 now don't you think you would still have a much higher success rate at getting the top girls if you were currently here as a guy in his mid to late 30s? Age matters for men just like age matters for the girls we choose!I think it goes both ways depending on the girl. When I first arrived in Asia, I could easily get the non pro girls. I can't do that so easily now 20 years later. But the hard core girls are every bit as easy now as they were back then, maybe easier. I still remember when I first arrived, there was a seriously hard core pro girl who was an absolute stunner. I thought she was the hottest girl in Jakarta. She was a free lancer who used to always go with older guys. She only went with me a few times and she would always choose the older guys over me or the other younger guys when the opportunity was there to go with an older guy. I asked her if she did that because they paid her more money and she told me that was not the case, that they gave her the same money. I could hardly believe it. I thought I was fairly good looking at that time and figured any girl would want to be with me over some old coot for the same price. But her explanation was that many times those old guys didn't even want sex, they just want to go home and cuddle. She preferred that over getting drilled all night by young guys even if they were good looking. (I think she also had a local boyfriend, so that had a lot to do with her choices.) Then again, that was prior to viagra, so I am guessing that had tilted the scales some since then.
Isn't the biggest factor the fact that you are 20+ years older? If you are 60 now don't you think you would still have a much higher success rate at getting the top girls if you were currently here as a guy in his mid to late 30s? Age matters for men just like age matters for the girls we choose!Well, perhaps partially. I'm early 50's by the way, still have my hair (555), and in very good shape (gym 5 days a week), non-smoker, etc etc. Probably look better now than I did in my early 30's. One of the reasons for choosing Thailand is 20 years ago it was the dudes in their 50's and 60's that had the hottest gals, be it pro or non-pro. Personally I think the influx of Asian punters and the change in attitude towards Westerners is more to blame. Don't think anyone would put forth that we are more "welcome" here than we were 20 years ago. Gals would rather go with Asian guys. For the age question, just head into Thermae. Older Japanese guys who look like they are already embalmed pull the hotties all the time.
Well, perhaps partially. I'm early 50's by the way, still have my hair (555), and in very good shape (gym 5 days a week), non-smoker, etc etc. Probably look better now than I did in my early 30's. One of the reasons for choosing Thailand is 20 years ago it was the dudes in their 50's and 60's that had the hottest gals, be it pro or non-pro. Personally I think the influx of Asian punters and the change in attitude towards Westerners is more to blame. Don't think anyone would put forth that we are more "welcome" here than we were 20 years ago. Gals would rather go with Asian guys. For the age question, just head into Thermae. Older Japanese guys who look like they are already embalmed pull the hotties all the time.I'd also add in the fact that gals have a lot more options now as far as decent paying jobs.
Banana Boi
01-08-19, 07:47
Hope I am allowed to ask this but does anyone know if there is a Japanese or Korean sex board that talks about Thailand? Just curious to see what it says more than anything. Will depend on Google translate. Not sure if you are allowed to post board names on here either so PM me if you prefer.
Gals would rather go with Asian guys.I agree that is the trend in Thailand. If that's a problem for you, you are in the wrong country. Move to Indonesia. White men are treated like rock stars in Indonesia.
Hope I am allowed to ask this but does anyone know if there is a Japanese or Korean sex board that talks about Thailand? Just curious to see what it says more than anything. Will depend on Google translate. Not sure if you are allowed to post board names on here either so PM me if you prefer.I have seen Japanese posts translated to English and also seen Thai forums. Neither are particularly enlightening. They deal in vagueness, smart comments, expressions of excitement, and comparison to other things, rather than calling a spade a spade. Very indirect hinting at things. In the end, I found I learned absolutely nothing.
Most forums are pretty bad for any detail. ISG is probably by far the best, despite low quality posts often appearing. A few years back one forum staring with W seemed to be highly fixated on Annies for unknown reason, and mostly 2 and 3 line smart ass comments. Others can have a different opinion but most forums were quite useless for a Farang like me. Even I can read Thai very well, they use a lot of words that are not real words (not in a dictionary) either teenage slang, or made up words, or words that are imitating the sound of something like "Ka-boom" for example, is not a real word. "Boom boom" is also not a real word but in this case we know it is a euphemism for fucking. So not normal conversational Thai, not formal or technical Thai, rather bullshit Thai. Lots of repeat word marks, e. G. To mean "good good good good", or "yes yes yeeeeeeees". This sort of rubbish, like the writer is on drugs, or about to cum at the time.
Never seen Korean forum translated.
I don't give two shits if a girl I am paying gets off or not.The topic at the time was young girls wanting to fuck guys. I hate the "Shag" word. Part of special UK crude language. 555. Fuck seems much nicer to me.
Paying hookers is another thing. However I prefer hookers who appear to be having a good time regardless of a cum or not. Girls not into it really spoils my fun. I have been able to fuck girls showing little or zero response if they have really hot bodies to compensate and are not at all obstructive, When it comes to obstructive girls including the stiff legs type, then I really can't do them at all. Maybe psychologically it would seem like having to try to are*pe them. Big kissing girls usually seem to be in the mood. That matters.
Most of my girls cum relatively easily, where I am much more difficult, except for the ex CH girl who cums with fair difficulty but makes it occasionally. I am not really doing many girls that will have a lot of subsequent guys on the same day, and hence resist getting carried away to preserve their energy. This would happen a lot if you are an early customer in an MP. If you are the late customer, girl may already be "fucked out". Most of my regular girls (in fact all them) appear to want the DATY before sex unless they are having a period and concerned about smell or blood, much like many guys would want a BBBJ first. None seem in a big hurry to get the dick in.
One hooker Mali from Shark claimed to have cum 3 times (on last occasion), but I did not necessarily believe her. However she possibly had no reason to bullshit, so may have been true. Last time saw her she was with a customer in Billboard and claimed to have not been working Shark for a few weeks. Maybe staying with the customer full time.
So while many of you are taking mechanical girls or starfish, it is not my favourite thing. "Lovey Dovey" potentially orgasmic girls works for me big time, failing that, having a 9 points body, letting me have fun with it, relaxed and no obstructions. This later type would be a hot girl I had in 5 Star. Very deadpan, but still managed to enjoy her great body. No clue if she started to enjoy the DATY or not. Can't even remember the name now. Have to look back to old report, even have done her twice.
The topic at the time was young girls wanting to fuck guys. I hate the "Shag" word. Part of special UK crude language. 555. Fuck seems much nicer to me.
Paying hookers is another thing. However I prefer hookers who appear to be having a good time regardless of a cum or not. Girls not into it really spoils my fun. I have been able to fuck girls showing little or zero response if they have really hot bodies to compensate and are not at all obstructive, When it comes to obstructive girls including the stiff legs type, then I really can't do them at all. Maybe psychologically it would seem like having to try to are*pe them. Big kissing girls usually seem to be in the mood. That matters.
Most of my girls cum relatively easily, where I am much more difficult, except for the ex CH girl who cums with fair difficulty but makes it occasionally. I am not really doing many girls that will have a lot of subsequent guys on the same day, and hence resist getting carried away to preserve their energy. This would happen a lot if you are an early customer in an MP. If you are the late customer, girl may already be "fucked out". Most of my regular girls (in fact all them) appear to want the DATY before sex unless they are having a period and concerned about smell or blood, much like many guys would want a BBBJ first. None seem in a big hurry to get the dick in.
One hooker Mali from Shark claimed to have cum 3 times (on last occasion), but I did not necessarily believe her. However she possibly had no reason to bullshit, so may have been true. Last time saw her she was with a customer in Billboard and claimed to have not been working Shark for a few weeks. Maybe staying with the customer full time.
So while many of you are taking mechanical girls or starfish, it is not my favourite thing. "Lovey Dovey" potentially orgasmic girls works for me big time, failing that, having a 9 points body, letting me have fun with it, relaxed and no obstructions. This later type would be a hot girl I had in 5 Star. Very deadpan, but still managed to enjoy her great body. No clue if she started to enjoy the DATY or not. Can't even remember the name now. Have to look back to old report, even have done her twice.Part of their job is to act like they are into it in a convincing fashion, even if they are not.
I agree that is the trend in Thailand. If that's a problem for you, you are in the wrong country. Move to Indonesia. White men are treated like rock stars in Indonesia.Yes, that seems to be the case. Guess regular trips are in order. I remember when the white man was treated like a rock star here in LOS. Sure miss it.
Banana Boi
01-09-19, 03:12
Yes, that seems to be the case. Guess regular trips are in order. I remember when the white man was treated like a rock star here in LOS. Sure miss it.There are still areas in Pattaya at least where Farang is King. Soi 6, soi 7, Soi 8, LK Metro, iBar, Redcar, most G clubs and BJ bars, ThaiFriendly, almost any outdoor beer bar complex, Beach Road freelancers, massage streets like Soi 25 and Soi Honey, and some Walking Street gogo bars like Sapphire, Windmill, Taboo, Heaven Above, Atlantis, Living Dolls, etc. This list entails likely 75% of what Pattaya has to offer, excluding Thai bars which I have yet to read a report of on here.
I agree that is the trend in Thailand. If that's a problem for you, you are in the wrong country. Move to Indonesia. White men are treated like rock stars in Indonesia.I don't know if age or race is the main reason. I have read many reports by newbies in Chinese forums. There are just so many newbies visiting Thailand, and many are taken advantage of by the girls. Some almost sound like scams that were ridiculous.
Like here, they also complain about high roller, Japanese, and Korean. I guess Japanese and Korean probably are also complaining about the same thing.
There are still areas in Pattaya at least where Farang is King. Soi 6, soi 7, Soi 8, LK Metro, iBar, Redcar, most G clubs and BJ bars, ThaiFriendly, almost any outdoor beer bar complex, Beach Road freelancers, massage streets like Soi 25 and Soi Honey, and some Walking Street gogo bars like Sapphire, Windmill, Taboo, Heaven Above, Atlantis, Living Dolls, etc. This list entails likely 75% of what Pattaya has to offer, excluding Thai bars which I have yet to read a report of on here.But for the most part, and I will acknowledge there are exceptions, those places employe some pretty mediocre looking gals. Mind you, dark skin, baby, hard Isaan face, crosses them off my list.
As a non user, I've always been told that vitamin V and Cialis assist in maintaining a strong erection but may limit the ability to ejaculate at all, let alone many times. Now I read in the Soapy pages that guys are getting 4+ shots away in an hour or two.
I could possibly manage that for the first day or two after arrival but then it's one or two a DAY max. However, staying hard all night is easy for the first 2 or 3 weeks if I'm with someone I find visually arousing. Again, I'll stay hard for ages but there may only be one shot for the evening.
So my question is, what are guys using to permit multiple shots per day or evening (or even in rapid succession over an hour or two) when they don't have an issue getting or remaining erect? Do Viagra and Cialis provide the same effect of to they act differently? Have I been misinformed on the stamina vs ejaculation trade off?
Cheers, G.
So my question is, what are guys using to permit multiple shots per day or evening (or even in rapid succession over an hour or two) when they don't have an issue getting or remaining erect? Do Viagra and Cialis provide the same effect of to they act differently? Have I been misinformed on the stamina vs ejaculation trade off?I think you are missing the recovery aspect that ED meds can provide. Yes; they can slow you down some for round one, but they can also get you ready quicker for round two and beyond.
SL.
HorseTrader
01-22-19, 08:20
As a non user, I've always been told that vitamin V and Cialis assist in maintaining a strong erection but may limit the ability to ejaculate at all, let alone many times.I'm sure everybody responds a little differently, but I agree with your comments. First, the ED meds help me get hard. Second, they do not help me get repeated orgasms. In fact, for me they tend to make me slower to reach climax, which is a good thing for the first girl of the day. But for the 2nd or 3rd girl of the day, I might get nice and hard but not be able to finish. And finally, for me these characteristics are true with both Viagra and Cialis. I don't know about Levitra, I only tried it one time and it was ineffective for everything.
As a non user, I've always been told that vitamin V and Cialis assist in maintaining a strong erection but may limit the ability to ejaculate at all, let alone many times. This is my experience as well. When I'm using ED meds more than two days in a row, even when I only have one romp a day, I can hardly get to the finish anymore.
So I consider them as a backup and only take them occasionaly when I can't get or stay strong for one reason or the other.
This is my experience as well. When I'm using ED meds more than two days in a row, even when I only have one romp a day, I can hardly get to the finish anymore.
So I consider them as a backup and only take them occasionaly when I can't get or stay strong for one reason or the other.Every one must be different. I only use ED meds when planning on fucking more then once a day as the mind is willing but. You know the rest. I can usually finish 75% off the time. Without I can finish after one session but after 2 days of sex 3 times a day I have trouble getting an erection up to 12 hours between encounters. I will pill up daily when I am in Pattaya.
I think you are missing the recovery aspect that ED meds can provide. Yes; they can slow you down some for round one, but they can also get you ready quicker for round two and beyond.
SL.Thanks for this. When you say "recovery" do you mean the ability to maintain an erection only or to be able to continie to ejaculation?
As I am now, ie unmedicated, I have the choice of a short to medium session to ejaculation or an all nighter with out. If I have not ejaculated I can get hard again basically at will so I'm wondering what benefit, if any, EDs would provide me? It looks as if they assist in maintaining an erection, which is generally not a problems for me if I find the girl's looks or performance arousing, but do not assist with multiple ejaculation, which I would find nice but not essential.
Thanks Again, G.
PS. I should mention that my trips are usually several weeks so my comments are about days or weeks in, not the first day or two.
Engine Driver
01-23-19, 10:28
Thanks for this. When you say "recovery" do you mean the ability to maintain an erection only or to be able to continie to ejaculation?
As I am now, ie unmedicated, I have the choice of a short to medium session to ejaculation or an all nighter with out. If I have not ejaculated I can get hard again basically at will so I'm wondering what benefit, if any, EDs would provide me? It looks as if they assist in maintaining an erection, which is generally not a problems for me if I find the girl's looks or performance arousing, but do not assist with multiple ejaculation, which I would find nice but not essential.
Thanks Again, G.ED meds will help you get hard and stay hard. They will often delay ejaculation. In the case of Cialis, anejaculation is very common. Cialis is also called a weekend drug in that one dose on Friday night and you're good to go the whole weekend. Viagra only lasts about 4 hours and you have to remember to pop a pill as soon as you pay the barfine.
What ED drugs will not help you with is improving libido. Not much point in getting a boner when you don't really want to fuck.
ED meds will help you get hard and stay hard. They will often delay ejaculation. In the case of Cialis, anejaculation is very common.Thanks sounds like they may not be for me. Getting or staying hard is rarely an issue but multiple pops (or even one after an all night sessuon) would be good. However, it looks as if EDs will not assist there.
ED meds will help you get hard and stay hard. They will often delay ejaculation. In the case of Cialis, anejaculation is very common...It would be more accurate to say ED drugs do nothing to enhance ejaculation. I don't think they delay or impede it. It's just that they enable you to have intercourse in cases when without them you couldn't have intercourse let alone ejaculate. I don't believe the "desensitisation" story. Any impression you ejaculate quicker when not on ED drugs is because you then need to finish quicker (before detumescence sets in).
It is a story analog to that of Viagra increasing the chances of sudden death. If Viagra prevented old men from dying it would be the first ever drug with death as medical indication.
HorseTrader
01-24-19, 06:48
It would be more accurate to say ED drugs do nothing to enhance ejaculation. I don't think they delay or impede it.Based on my personal experience, I agree with your first sentence, but disagree with your second sentence. For me, this is true for both Viagra and Cialis. It might be different for other people.
Engine Driver
01-24-19, 11:01
I don't think they delay or impede it.Cialis does impede ejaculation for many men, as do a range of anti-depressant drugs (SSRIs). Anejaculation is well documented for Cialis. Numerous double blind tests have been conducted to show that this is common, particularly after the first pop. Google is your friend.
Cialis does impede ejaculation for many men, as do a range of anti-depressant drugs (SSRIs). Anejaculation is well documented for Cialis. Numerous double blind tests have been conducted to show that this is common, particularly after the first pop. Google is your friend.My impression was that without Cialis there would be either no 2nd pop or there would be one equally devoid of ejaculation. As to google being my friend I seem to find studies that say things like "Treatment with tadalafil 10 or 20 MG was associated with significant increases in ejaculatory and orgasmic function (vs placebo) across all baseline ED, EjD, and OD severity strata. ".
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2012.11656.x
SSRIs have nothing to do with ED drugs.
Besides, do people who report such anejaculations wait till the effects of the ED drugs die out in order to have successful ejaculations? If sildenafil causes anejaculation just bide your time for a couple of hours and you're in business right? That this is not the case brings us back to what we can be sure of, namely ED drugs can do nothing to accelerate the semen cycle.
When I take viagra, I always developed hiccups an hour or two after first ingesting the drug. However, cialis does not affect me in this way. Has anyone experienced this type of hiccup? They are frequently severe and can last several hours so at some point it becomes not worth it. But I don't find cialis to be as effective. I am sure this has happened to others but there have been more than a few times when I took the viagra in anticipation of something happening that did not for a variety of reasons. All I was left with was a fantastical case of hiccups.
As far as ejaculation, I certainly notice viagra impedes or delays ejaculation. However, I have on a few occasions experienced multiple pops even staying hard for a long time, which seemed to accentuate my pleasure and ejaculatory response. I am 70 now but a couple of years ago in Thailand, I took 50 MG of Viagra before having sex with this horny lassie who was also a prolific squirter and I mean prolific! I came 4 times in a twelve hour period including one dry run for a total of five orgasms. She was about 25 and just literally could not get enough. Maybe that's a factor that needs to be considered too. So far this visit, I have not run into the type of girls I did a few years ago. A lot of disinterested pros once back in the room who expect you to do all the work and want to hit and run you. I am quite frustrated at the type of girls I seem to be meeting. Oh where are the semi pros?
https://www.stickboybkk.com/opinion/barfines-gone-bonkers/
They are accelerating into the stratosphere. How much higher can they go? May as well go somewhere cheaper.
Crocodilexp
02-05-19, 02:47
When I take viagra, I always developed hiccups an hour or two after first ingesting the drug. They are frequently severe and can last several hours so at some point it becomes not worth it.Yes, that's a side effect of Viagra, happens to me too sometimes, albeit not as severe. A glass of water with a sachet of Eno (they sell them at every 7-11, orange or lemon flavor) quickly fixes the hiccup issue for me, might be worth a try.
Oh where are the semi pros?
Mostly the thing of the past. Sure, if you look enough (especially online) you might come across one eventually, but they're not exactly common these days and getting more and more scarce.
Girls still working in the industry are increasingly the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. Comparing average girls on the BTS to leftovers encountered a walk around lower Sukhumvit at night makes me want to weep.
Thanks. I will try that. However, last night I took a viagra followed by a random glass of ginger ale I just happened to have available. Remarkably, no hiccups.
Yes, I see these gorgeous girls on BTS all the time but alas never in the clubs or bars. Yesterday, for the SuperBowl I got up early to go to a restaurant on Soi 13. I walked from Soi 11 to 13 and was propositioned by two hookers in that one block at 6:30 am. Only in Thailand.
Yes, that's a side effect of Viagra, happens to me too sometimes, albeit not as severe. A glass of water with a sachet of Eno (they sell them at every 7-11, orange or lemon flavor) quickly fixes the hiccup issue for me, might be worth a try.
Mostly the thing of the past. Sure, if you look enough (especially online) you might come across one eventually, but they're not exactly common these days and getting more and more scarce.
Girls still working in the industry are increasingly the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. Comparing average girls on the BTS to leftovers encountered a walk around lower Sukhumvit at night makes me want to weep.
I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was. She gave junior a wash, took her top off and got to work.
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees. She seemed to be under the impression that she was doing me a favour by giving me a BJ, and that I should do as I was told.
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs. I did not forcefully grab her hands, just gently moved them away. Anyway, she got me to about 95%, and I took hold of junior to give him a couple of tugs to get him ready, and after about 20 seconds he was set to explode so I let him go and gently tried to put him inside her mouth, all the while she was still on her hands and knees and her face was no more than a foot away from junior. She grabbed hold of him and would not let him inside her mouth! Junior is of average size, but if he was 15 inches I could have understood her reluctance to let him in! I tried to take her hand off so as I could stick him inside her mouth but it was too late, junior started to 'leak' and she backed off and made it clear that the session was over and stood up. I gave junior a few tugs and finished myself off and I shouted out, in annoyance, asking "why did you do that" and "why wouldn't you let me CIM", and she grabbed her top and left the room.
I was really pissed off and kept shouting, which is the worst thing you can do in Thailand, all disputes should be settled without shouting or raising your voice, no matter what the provocation, it's the Thai way of doing things. Then the female manager came up and asked that I go downstairs to sort it out.
So I went downstairs and explained what had happened and said she needed to give me a full refund, but she pointed to the NO REFUND sign and refused. I raised my voice again and yes, I know I should not have done so! I made it clear I was not going to leave unless I had a full refund. I told her to call the police, she said OK and made a phone call. I had no way of knowing who she called, but a few minutes later a Thai man came in, asked what the problem was, I told him I had already explained to the manager and that I wanted a refund. He pointed to the sign, I raised my voice again and told him I was not going anywhere without a full refund, he then shouted back and told me to "get out" and pulled out a gun! This was in full view of the manager and about six girls who had come to the waiting area to see what all the commotion was about. He cocked it back, and pointed it at me and waved it at me, but I stood my ground and faced him down. Was it bravery on my part? Or stupidity? I have never had a gun pulled on me before, but I did not actually feel threatened.
If anything, at that moment, I was not scared and I'm sure he sensed that I was not scared, he looked like a little wimp, he was about a foot shorter than me, skinny, and in his 30's (I'm in my early 60's and of slim / average build). He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun. I said to him "are you going to use it, go on then" but he backed down, I had a gut feeling that he was more mouth than action, maybe the gun was not loaded, though of course I could have been wrong and he could have shot me.
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper. I have had other disputes in bars, but have always managed to remain calm, and have always managed to resolve the problem, always in my favour, by being calm, polite, and persistent, but last night I was really pissed off.
Anyway, after a few minutes things got a bit calmer and I asked the Thai man who he was, the manager, the owner, or who? He said he was a policeman, I told him "no you're not", and I asked the manager who he was and she also said he was a policeman. No way was he a policeman. I told the manager that I was going to call the police, and I did and told them I had been threatened by a man with a gun and that I had been denied a service in a massage shop and refused a refund. A few minutes later the man with the gun left the shop. If he had been a real policeman he would have hung around until the police showed up.
I was in the waiting area in the shop until about 10 pm when six police showed up, and during the time before they arrived three customers came in but were told by the manager that they were closed (they actually close at midnight), she sent them away because of the continuing noisy argument I was having with her, it never looks good from a customer point of view when you walk in and there is an irate customer sounding off, the manager even told me I was causing them a loss of business, and that made me more determined to keep at it! They refused me a 1.3 k refund but lost at least 3.9 k worth of business!
So, I politely and calmly explained to the police about the man with the gun, asked them if they were aware that it was a BJ shop (they were) and then explained about the failure of the shop to provide the CIM service I had paid for and the refusal by the shop to refund me. They then talked with the female manager. The police asked me what I wanted, I told them I wanted a full refund (I had already made up my mind to accept at least half back, I knew it would end up as haggle, it always does), they suggested to the shop a 50% refund and asked me if I would accept that, I said I would. The manager then said 500, I said no, 650, and that was it, the manager gave me a refund of 650 and I thanked the police and left. I heard two of the policeman questioning the manager about the man with the gun, wanting to know who he was, I'm certain that they would have found out who he was and had a word with him, I doubt if he would have been arrested, rather I think the police would have shaken him down for some money for his recklessness.
When I got outside I waited for a few minutes for the police to come out, two of them did and I thanked them again and told them I didn't want the money and tried to give it to one of them, but it was politely refused. I set off and had just got back to the top of soi 33 near Sukhumvit when the same two police rode up and stopped alongside me on their motorbike to ask me if all was OK, and if everything was all right, I said yes, thanked them, and said I really do not want the money and gave it to one of them, he smiled and thanked me and took it! I thanked them again, and they rode off, and I headed down to soi Cowboy in a taxi to finish the evening off.
I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.Man, that's some balls you have. Happy to hear that drama turned out so good.
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I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper. I have had other disputes in bars, but have always managed to remain calm, and have always managed to resolve the problem, always in my favour, by being calm, polite, and persistent, but last night I was really pissed off.
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I was in the waiting area in the shop until about 10 pm when six police showed up, and during the time before they arrived three customers came in but were told by the manager that they were closed (they actually close at midnight), she sent them away because of the continuing noisy argument I was having with her, it never looks good from a customer point of view when you walk in and there is an irate customer sounding off, the manager even told me I was causing them a loss of business, and that made me more determined to keep at it! They refused me a 1.3 k refund but lost at least 3.9 k worth of business!
-snip- Yep, after living here a while there are times when our understanding and appreciation for the "Thai way" just reaches a breaking point and we snap. I have certainly snapped a few times, raised my voice beyond all local norms, shouted back at nosy busy-body taxi drivers who linger in front of the hotels on my soi to SHUT THE FUCK UP! after one of them said something cute in Thai about having seen me with so many ladies when I walked by with a new one and the others laughed (they have never done it again. none of them), stood my ground in go-go bars demanding a refund same as you did in the BJ Bar (but never had a gun pulled on me!) and so on.
Not something either one of us would recommend to anyone else, right? And I do remind myself to be more careful next time after I have snapped. But your reading of the situation and feelings were right this time. Mine have been right about it so far, too. So far.
With that in mind, it's great to hear the shop lost a lot of business defending and protecting that little scammer. I hope they took all of the refund out of her portion of the Pay Upfront bill. I don't recall Paying Upfront at a BJ Bar in the past. But I can tell you that unless the BJ that follows me Paying Upfront is one of the best I have ever experienced in a year, I would never go back to such a shop a second time.
Man, that's some balls you have. Happy to hear that drama turned out so good.I call it stupidity / arrogance tempered with luck.
I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was. She gave junior a wash, took her top off and got to work.
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees. She seemed to be under the impression that she was doing me a favour by giving me a BJ, and that I should do as I was told.
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs. I did not forcefully grab her hands, just gently moved them away. Anyway, she got me to about 95%, and I took hold of junior to give him a couple of tugs to get him ready, and after about 20 seconds he was set to explode so I let him go and gently tried to put him inside her mouth, all the while she was still on her hands and knees and her face was no more than a foot away from junior. She grabbed hold of him and would not let him inside her mouth! Junior is of average size, but if he was 15 inches I could have understood her reluctance to let him in! I tried to take her hand off so as I could stick him inside her mouth but it was too late, junior started to 'leak' and she backed off and made it clear that the session was over and stood up. I gave junior a few tugs and finished myself off and I shouted out, in annoyance, asking "why did you do that" and "why wouldn't you let me CIM", and she grabbed her top and left the room.
I was really pissed off and kept shouting, which is the worst thing you can do in Thailand, all disputes should be settled without shouting or raising your voice, no matter what the provocation, it's the Thai way of doing things. Then the female manager came up and asked that I go downstairs to sort it out.
So I went downstairs and explained what had happened and said she needed to give me a full refund, but she pointed to the NO REFUND sign and refused. I raised my voice again and yes, I know I should not have done so! I made it clear I was not going to leave unless I had a full refund. I told her to call the police, she said OK and made a phone call. I had no way of knowing who she called, but a few minutes later a Thai man came in, asked what the problem was, I told him I had already explained to the manager and that I wanted a refund. He pointed to the sign, I raised my voice again and told him I was not going anywhere without a full refund, he then shouted back and told me to "get out" and pulled out a gun! This was in full view of the manager and about six girls who had come to the waiting area to see what all the commotion was about. He cocked it back, and pointed it at me and waved it at me, but I stood my ground and faced him down. Was it bravery on my part? Or stupidity? I have never had a gun pulled on me before, but I did not actually feel threatened.
If anything, at that moment, I was not scared and I'm sure he sensed that I was not scared, he looked like a little wimp, he was about a foot shorter than me, skinny, and in his 30's (I'm in my early 60's and of slim / average build). He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun. I said to him "are you going to use it, go on then" but he backed down, I had a gut feeling that he was more mouth than action, maybe the gun was not loaded, though of course I could have been wrong and he could have shot me.
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper. I have had other disputes in bars, but have always managed to remain calm, and have always managed to resolve the problem, always in my favour, by being calm, polite, and persistent, but last night I was really pissed off.
Anyway, after a few minutes things got a bit calmer and I asked the Thai man who he was, the manager, the owner, or who? He said he was a policeman, I told him "no you're not", and I asked the manager who he was and she also said he was a policeman. No way was he a policeman. I told the manager that I was going to call the police, and I did and told them I had been threatened by a man with a gun and that I had been denied a service in a massage shop and refused a refund. A few minutes later the man with the gun left the shop. If he had been a real policeman he would have hung around until the police showed up.
I was in the waiting area in the shop until about 10 pm when six police showed up, and during the time before they arrived three customers came in but were told by the manager that they were closed (they actually close at midnight), she sent them away because of the continuing noisy argument I was having with her, it never looks good from a customer point of view when you walk in and there is an irate customer sounding off, the manager even told me I was causing them a loss of business, and that made me more determined to keep at it! They refused me a 1.3 k refund but lost at least 3.9 k worth of business!
So, I politely and calmly explained to the police about the man with the gun, asked them if they were aware that it was a BJ shop (they were) and then explained about the failure of the shop to provide the CIM service I had paid for and the refusal by the shop to refund me. They then talked with the female manager. The police asked me what I wanted, I told them I wanted a full refund (I had already made up my mind to accept at least half back, I knew it would end up as haggle, it always does), they suggested to the shop a 50% refund and asked me if I would accept that, I said I would. The manager then said 500, I said no, 650, and that was it, the manager gave me a refund of 650 and I thanked the police and left. I heard two of the policeman questioning the manager about the man with the gun, wanting to know who he was, I'm certain that they would have found out who he was and had a word with him, I doubt if he would have been arrested, rather I think the police would have shaken him down for some money for his recklessness.
When I got outside I waited for a few minutes for the police to come out, two of them did and I thanked them again and told them I didn't want the money and tried to give it to one of them, but it was politely refused. I set off and had just got back to the top of soi 33 near Sukhumvit when the same two police rode up and stopped alongside me on their motorbike to ask me if all was OK, and if everything was all right, I said yes, thanked them, and said I really do not want the money and gave it to one of them, he smiled and thanked me and took it! I thanked them again, and they rode off, and I headed down to soi Cowboy in a taxi to finish the evening off.Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
I wouldn't call that balls. Plain stupidity in a foreign country. I have done some similar stupid things but not to that point. I knew when to walk away. It was only small money. Not even worth the risk. Upside was very small. No John Wayne here.
Newbies disregard his post.
My 2 baht advice is to put in your will for cremation to save on cost, time and shipping back to home country.
I have lived in Thailand for many years .Far too many by the sounds of it.
Member #4698
02-06-19, 03:49
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.
Do you remember a few years back there was an incident that made all the BKK newpapers and internet. Apparently an expat got into a heated argument with a taxi driver half his size. The driver stopped his car, picked up a machete in the trunk, and hacked the expat to death. What a way to go! But not more stupid than arguing at gun point in a blow job bar with a Thai pimp over $20. Bravo!
I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was. She gave junior a wash, took her top off and got to work.
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees. She seemed to be under the impression that she was doing me a favour by giving me a BJ, and that I should do as I was told..Well done for standing your ground. If more people stood their ground, there would be less scams / stealing in bars, by girls, by taxis.
I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was. She gave junior a wash, took her top off and got to work.
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees. She seemed to be under the impression that she was doing me a favour by giving me a BJ, and that I should do as I was told.
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs. I did not forcefully grab her hands, just gently moved them away. Anyway, she got me to about 95%, and I took hold of junior to give him a couple of tugs to get him ready, and after about 20 seconds he was set to explode so I let him go and gently tried to put him inside her mouth, all the while she was still on her hands and knees and her face was no more than a foot away from junior. She grabbed hold of him and would not let him inside her mouth! Junior is of average size, but if he was 15 inches I could have understood her reluctance to let him in! I tried to take her hand off so as I could stick him inside her mouth but it was too late, junior started to 'leak' and she backed off and made it clear that the session was over and stood up. I gave junior a few tugs and finished myself off and I shouted out, in annoyance, asking "why did you do that" and "why wouldn't you let me CIM", and she grabbed her top and left the room.
I was really pissed off and kept shouting, which is the worst thing you can do in Thailand, all disputes should be settled without shouting or raising your voice, no matter what the provocation, it's the Thai way of doing things. Then the female manager came up and asked that I go downstairs to sort it out.
So I went downstairs and explained what had happened and said she needed to give me a full refund, but she pointed to the NO REFUND sign and refused. I raised my voice again and yes, I know I should not have done so! I made it clear I was not going to leave unless I had a full refund. I told her to call the police, she said OK and made a phone call. I had no way of knowing who she called, but a few minutes later a Thai man came in, asked what the problem was, I told him I had already explained to the manager and that I wanted a refund. He pointed to the sign, I raised my voice again and told him I was not going anywhere without a full refund, he then shouted back and told me to "get out" and pulled out a gun! This was in full view of the manager and about six girls who had come to the waiting area to see what all the commotion was about. He cocked it back, and pointed it at me and waved it at me, but I stood my ground and faced him down. Was it bravery on my part? Or stupidity? I have never had a gun pulled on me before, but I did not actually feel threatened.
If anything, at that moment, I was not scared and I'm sure he sensed that I was not scared, he looked like a little wimp, he was about a foot shorter than me, skinny, and in his 30's (I'm in my early 60's and of slim / average build). He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun. I said to him "are you going to use it, go on then" but he backed down, I had a gut feeling that he was more mouth than action, maybe the gun was not loaded, though of course I could have been wrong and he could have shot me.
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper. I have had other disputes in bars, but have always managed to remain calm, and have always managed to resolve the problem, always in my favour, by being calm, polite, and persistent, but last night I was really pissed off.
Anyway, after a few minutes things got a bit calmer and I asked the Thai man who he was, the manager, the owner, or who? He said he was a policeman, I told him "no you're not", and I asked the manager who he was and she also said he was a policeman. No way was he a policeman. I told the manager that I was going to call the police, and I did and told them I had been threatened by a man with a gun and that I had been denied a service in a massage shop and refused a refund. A few minutes later the man with the gun left the shop. If he had been a real policeman he would have hung around until the police showed up.
I was in the waiting area in the shop until about 10 pm when six police showed up, and during the time before they arrived three customers came in but were told by the manager that they were closed (they actually close at midnight), she sent them away because of the continuing noisy argument I was having with her, it never looks good from a customer point of view when you walk in and there is an irate customer sounding off, the manager even told me I was causing them a loss of business, and that made me more determined to keep at it! They refused me a 1.3 k refund but lost at least 3.9 k worth of business!
So, I politely and calmly explained to the police about the man with the gun, asked them if they were aware that it was a BJ shop (they were) and then explained about the failure of the shop to provide the CIM service I had paid for and the refusal by the shop to refund me. They then talked with the female manager. The police asked me what I wanted, I told them I wanted a full refund (I had already made up my mind to accept at least half back, I knew it would end up as haggle, it always does), they suggested to the shop a 50% refund and asked me if I would accept that, I said I would. The manager then said 500, I said no, 650, and that was it, the manager gave me a refund of 650 and I thanked the police and left. I heard two of the policeman questioning the manager about the man with the gun, wanting to know who he was, I'm certain that they would have found out who he was and had a word with him, I doubt if he would have been arrested, rather I think the police would have shaken him down for some money for his recklessness.
When I got outside I waited for a few minutes for the police to come out, two of them did and I thanked them again and told them I didn't want the money and tried to give it to one of them, but it was politely refused. I set off and had just got back to the top of soi 33 near Sukhumvit when the same two police rode up and stopped alongside me on their motorbike to ask me if all was OK, and if everything was all right, I said yes, thanked them, and said I really do not want the money and gave it to one of them, he smiled and thanked me and took it! I thanked them again, and they rode off, and I headed down to soi Cowboy in a taxi to finish the evening off.I would highly suggest others not to try this. All the money in the world is not worth your life, simply my 2 cents.
Man, that's some balls you have. Happy to hear that drama turned out so good.Actually I'd say it's not about my balls, rather it was more about the Thai man with the gun being a weasel who I felt posed no threat to me. Yes, he had a gun, but he felt no more threatening to me at the time than an old granny with a rolled-up newspaper! Some people have an air of menace about them, and have an intimidating presence, but that Thai man looked and acted more like an immature kid than someone willing to use a gun. I really don't think he had the balls to use it, but if he had I really don't know how I would have reacted. There is a possibility that the gun was not loaded, or was not a real gun, but I do know for a fact that Thailand has a lot of guns, and a lot of people carry them.
I have thought about the incident a lot since it happened. If he had fired a warning shot, would I have left? Or would I have jumped on him to try and overpower him? If he had fired at me but missed, would I have left, or would I have jumped on him and tried to overpower him? I think a lot of men are capable of murder, it depends on the circumstances, if I had, at the moment he pointed his gun at me, felt threatened and in fear of my life, maybe I would have jumped on him and it would have been a kill or be killed situation. At the moment when he pointed the gun at me, if I had reacted by trying to jump him or by pulling out a knife or gun, maybe he would have felt threatened and in fear of his life and reacted by shooting me. But at no time did I do anything to cause him to fear for his life.
I have never been mugged, or had a knife pulled on me, and up till Monday night had never had a gun pulled on me. How would I react if a similar situation were to occur again? I really don't know but hope it doesn't, because I don't go around looking for trouble. All I wanted on Monday night was a BJ!
Not something either one of us would recommend to anyone else, right?Absolutely not! I posted here, not to brag, but simply to let others know about what had happened. If anything, it was more about my stupidity than bravery!
With that in mind, it's great to hear the shop lost a lot of business defending and protecting that little scammer. I hope they took all of the refund out of her portion of the Pay Upfront bill.My guess is that out of the THB1.3 k fee that the shop takes from a customer, the shop takes at least 800. But whatever amount they take, I can guarantee that the shop kept the 650 they had from me, and would in no way have given anything to the girl. And the chances are that they would have fined her for the loss of business they suffered when they had to turn customers away when I was sounding off!
Franciscass
02-06-19, 06:51
Seems to me MD was being unreasonable in the room and I can imagine the girl being frightened of his behavior. Did he reserve a refund umm doubtful?
How he handled it back at reception is another question. Demanding a refund for a service paid for and you feel was not delivered is perfectly fair. What do you do if it is refused? Simply walk away post on ISG and chalk it up to experience. I don't think so.
As I said I feel he was out of order in the room but I applaud him standing up to intimidation. Meekly walking away because you are afraid of the consequences some say is smart, for me its cowardice.
He read the situation correctly and got half his money back.
Giving it to the police was a big mistake.
Crocodilexp
02-06-19, 07:45
I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33)
He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun.Thank you for sharing this, it's good to know how far things can go, and it's useful to know the name of the shop so we can all keep our distance from it.
What you did was crazy brave, for no benefit whatsoever. I'm sure you're already aware of all that you did wrong, but one thing you did right is calling the police after being thereatned with a gun. That's a serious crime (counts as "assault with a deadly weapon" in most countries, even if it's just a threat and he didn't actually shoot), and shouldn't casually be allowed to slide, not even in Thailand.
The big "no refund" sign is a big red flag, it shows that people have been dissatisfied and asked for a refund before, probably on multiple occasions. However, IMHO, in such places, if any sexual activity happens (which it clearly did) and you do ejaculate, you're not entitled to a refund if you're unhappy with exactly how it went. You can ask, of course, and they should oblige if they're customer-minded, but you're not really entitled to one. I'm surprised the police actually negotiated a partial refund for you, it's probably because the shop pays money to their station, and they preferred not to deal with the assault charges (which are the real issue here).
Pointy Stick
02-06-19, 07:49
I would highly suggest others not to try this. All the money in the world is not worth your life, simply my 2 cents.Agreed. My life is worth more than 1300 baht. If the dude really didn't look the part and actually felt threatened then there is a higher chance he would have used the firearm.
If anything, at that moment, I was not scared and I'm sure he sensed that I was not scared, he looked like a little wimp, he was about a foot shorter than me, skinny, and in his 30's (I'm in my early 60's and of slim / average build). He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun. I said to him "are you going to use it, go on then" but he backed down, I had a gut feeling that he was more mouth than action, maybe the gun was not loaded, though of course I could have been wrong and he could have shot me.
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper.I think your actions are basically justified although I can't say I would have done the same thing. Some French guy got shot by an off-duty policeman over some love triangle recently but I'm sure the guy pointing the gun at you didn't want to go to jail over a 1300 baht blow job so in that situation it's almost certainly a bluff. Good to hear that the police helped you out. I assume it was the regular police rather than the tourist police. I agree that you should press charges rather than let it drop.
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However, IMHO, in such places, if any sexual activity happens (which it clearly did) and you do ejaculate, you're not entitled to a refund if you're unhappy with exactly how it went. You can ask, of course, and they should oblige if they're customer-minded, but you're not really entitled to one.With all due respect, my opinion is it very much matters how and where one ejaculates when a BBBJ+CIM has been agreed to. I suppose an exception might be when a punter is so fast on the trigger that he ejaculates before the requested act even begins. Or if he is the one who changes direction of things and goes for FS or whatever.
But in the case of a BBBJ+CIM, if the girl agrees to provide a CIM finish for the money and she dodges or pulls away at crunch time as she did in this case, she did not provide what he paid for and I think he is very much entitled to a refund.
Normal restaurant analogies don't exactly work re certain sexual acts like a BBBJ+CIM. After all, when a tray of food is placed before us and it is clearly not what we ordered, that is the moment to point it out and get the order right. If we see that a Big Mac was placed on the tray instead of the Filet o' Fish we ordered but we gobble it down anyway, we are not entitled to a refund. We got food in our mouth and our belly. We ought to pay for it. It doesn't matter if it wasn't what we ordered once we have eaten it.
But that isn't how the moment of ejaculation works at the end of a blowjob. Once an orgasm is on its way, there is no stopping it to have a discussion with the lady about her getting the order wrong and please bring me a Filet o' Fish instead of a Big Mac, I'll wait.
So, with that huge difference in mind, here is a different kind of restaurant analogy re a BBBJ+CIM; If you were blind, ordered a Filet o' Fish, was assured by the server that the sandwich in that wrapper on your tray is indeed a Filet o' Fish and definitely not a Big Mac, but after taking a big bite of the thing and some of it going down your throat you realized you'd been lied to, then imo you definitely deserve a refund. Even though just like the example above you got food in your mouth and down your throat. The huge difference being you did not know until it was too late that you'd been lied to and did not get what you ordered.
And, no, I don't think that restaurant analogy works further with regard to simply getting your Filet o' Fish order right after you've taken a bite of a Big Mac. Most male humans will not have another orgasm the "right way" within minutes of having one the way he did not want it. It isn't the same as just taking one bite out of a sandwich and then trading it in for another one. Besides, in the case of that BJ Bar I seriously doubt anyone would have offered the customer another BJ to "have it your way" within minutes of getting it the wrong way.
CzarNicholas
02-06-19, 12:40
I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was..I feel your pain.
But just a warning to everyone out there, if I'm ever pointing a gun at someone and they make this comment to me, they are going to have their brains splattered all over the walls in about 0.5 seconds! "are you going to use it, go on then".
Its game over!
Were you drunk?
Why would you say that to somebody with a pistol in your face?
Franciscass
02-06-19, 13:29
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees.
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way.Rereading your account which is refreshing for its honest portrayal of what happened I offer the following as a possible explanation of her behavior.
As you mention everything was going well until you changed position and moved her hands from holding your dick.
She may then for whatever reason have felt you wanted to face fuck her, something she hadn't signed up for.
She is in my opinion entitled to hold your dick while giving head and allowing you to come in her mouth. Changing position and taking her hands off "junior" could have alarmed her and made her apprehensive about what was going on.
Possible?
Crocodilexp
02-06-19, 16:16
But in the case of a BBBJ+CIM, if the girl agrees to provide a CIM finish for the money and she dodges or pulls away at crunch time as she did in this case, she did not provide what he paid for and I think he is very much entitled to a refund.I guess we won't agree on this, but in a BBBJ+CIM deal, BBBJ is over 90% of the work. You're not entitled to a full refund if your restaurant meal (which you consumed in its entirety) was missing the truffle on top, no matter how much you wanted that truffle. Now, in a very fancy posh restaurant where you pay over the odds to get the food as perfect as possible, they might apologize profusely and comp your meal, but most hooker establishments are far from that category, especially one with a big sign saying "no refunds" (translation: we know we're crappy as other have complained before).
The broader point is that sex industry has very few service guarantees. Now, if a girl promises A+ or BBBJ and doesn't deliver at all, that's obvious grounds for raising a fuss, but if the dispute is about something like CIM or decent DFK that's more or less a side benefit, I think legitimately all we can do is give zero tip, chalk it up to experience, and move on. Trying to do otherwise means being one of those customers who cheats girls by fucking but not wanting to pay (on some pretext).
I guess we won't agree on this, but in a BBBJ+CIM deal, BBBJ is over 90% of the work. You're not entitled to a full refund if your restaurant meal (which you consumed in its entirety) was missing the truffle on top, no matter how much you wanted that truffle.Ah, see I believe it is the way the act finishes that defines the act and not what occurred 90% of the time prior to the finish. An agreed upon BBBJ+CIM that finishes with the girl pulling her mouth away while she gives you a handjob to a finish is a handjob with some oral foreplay thrown in (which is a better finish than what Mdemde described. He had to take matters into his own hands; masturbation).
Do you suppose if a girl in a massage shop spent 90% of a session giving her customer a handjob and in that last 10% of the session mounted him (at his request) and he finished inside her pussy that she would only charge him 10% of the cost of FS and 90% of the cost of a handjob? Somehow I think that girl and anyone managing that shop would fully agree with me that the sex act is defined by how it finishes and not by what happened 90% of the time before the finish.
No, they would charge that customer 100% of the cost of FS. If the customer balks, some shops might even consider having a goon brandish a gun to make sure that full amount for FS got paid before the customer was allowed to leave.
Blanquiceleste
02-06-19, 17:08
If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.
Do you remember a few years back there was an incident that made all the BKK newpapers and internet. Apparently an expat got into a heated argument with a taxi driver half his size. The driver stopped his car, picked up a machete in the trunk, and hacked the expat to death. What a way to go! But not more stupid than arguing at gun point in a blow job bar with a Thai pimp over $20. Bravo!Mdemde should be simply glad and thank his stars he has lived to tell us this tale. Insane. Stupid. Lapse of reasoning and judgment.
DO NOT TRY THIS ANYWHERE, EXPERIENCED OR OTHERWISE!
............... Was it bravery on my part? Or stupidity? I have never had a gun pulled on me before, but I did not actually feel threatened....................Total stupidity. Bravery is Che Guevara engaging fully armed soldiers with a defective gun. Stupidity is willingness to die for spraying jizz on carpet rather than in mouth. You're lucky you are alive to tell the tale and not causing grief to family and friends who would have heard that you were shot in a blow job bar and that the only down side for you was having to clean soiled underwear.
Stupidity is willingness to die for spraying jizz on carpet rather than in mouth. You're lucky you are alive to tell the tale and not causing grief to family and friends who would have heard that you were shot in a blow job bar and that the only down side for you was having to clean soiled underwear.There's no way he would have been shot dead in the middle of the BJ bar in that part of Suk. This would bring too much bad publicity to these massage shops while the authorities are trying to clean the reputation of the Thai massage shops. The Thai guy that pulled a gun was probably very stupid.
But he knew he would have been in a very big trouble if he pulled the trigger, and would have put all the owners of massage places in a big trouble too. I'm glad that Mdemde stood his ground if he felt he had been scammed. When it comes to foreigners, some of these Thai people think they can easily get away with wathever they want. I 'm not saying the reason he got engaged in this affair was worth it, but it's good to always show them that we are not afraid also. Spudipidity was the reaction of the manager (that first agreed to the service that didn't arrive and then by calling that cowboy) and obviously the reaction of the Thai guy that thought that pulling a gun would solve a commercial affair. I understand that Mdemde has been living in Thailand long enough that he feels the need to not let any of these scammers take advantage of him. If you're reading these lines Mdemde, kuddos to you for standing your ground in front of these f*ckers. Now if I were you, I would not go again in that part of the city in a near future, and would even consider moving from Suk if you're staying there. You made them lose face, some policemen got involved too, who knows what could cross their mind if they see you again in a place that's not related to massage shops.
Wudalang88
02-07-19, 04:19
Anyway, she got me to about 95%It is really funny that you mentioned that she got you about 95% and yet you are asking for 100% refund. This shows how unreasonable you are! The girl needs to be paid anyhow, asking 100% refund is like you are asking them to give you a entirely free session of BJ. How about the charges for rooms, A/C, cleaning utilities for your junior?
Seems to me MD was being unreasonable in the room and I can imagine the girl being frightened of his behavior. Did he reserve a refund umm doubtful?
How he handled it back at reception is another question. Demanding a refund for a service paid for and you feel was not delivered is perfectly fair. What do you do if it is refused? Simply walk away post on ISG and chalk it up to experience. I don't think so.
As I said I feel he was out of order in the room but I applaud him standing up to intimidation. Meekly walking away because you are afraid of the consequences some say is smart, for me its cowardice.
He read the situation correctly and got half his money back.
Giving it to the police was a big mistake.It seems the girls are very frightened as Mdem mentioned that he did start shouting at the girl. No matter how, it is really unreasonable to ask for full refund for a service paid and done, even it is not delivered as expected, especially it is being stated in the counter "No Refund" and Mdem already accepted upfront. I can imagine that the girl at the counter looks terrified when Mdem is shouting and asking for full refund. What I usually do is that, instead of shouting loud to the girls (this will scare them bro), I would speak calmly and complain to the manager about my dissatisfaction about that particular girl. I am sure if the girl is that bad, many customers would have did the same complain and eventually the shop wouldn't want to keep her as staff!
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs.While everything is from Mdem's point of view, there are times where I get to know from Thai night girls that there are customer who is very un-thoughtful, forcing them to deep throat or didn't bother to give them space for breathing. Could this be the reason why she is trying to put one hand to hold on junior while giving BJ? Though, I salute you for your bravery. Calling police was the right move. But asking for refund and paying the police was just stupid.
Wudalang88
02-07-19, 04:21
Anyway, she got me to about 95%It is really funny that you mentioned that she got you about 95% and yet you are asking for 100% refund. This shows how unreasonable you are! The girl needs to be paid anyhow, asking 100% refund is like you are asking them to give you a entirely free session of BJ. How about the charges for rooms, aircond, cleaning utilities for your junior?
Seems to me MD was being unreasonable in the room and I can imagine the girl being frightened of his behavior. Did he reserve a refund umm doubtful?
How he handled it back at reception is another question. Demanding a refund for a service paid for and you feel was not delivered is perfectly fair. What do you do if it is refused? Simply walk away post on ISG and chalk it up to experience. I don't think so.
As I said I feel he was out of order in the room but I applaud him standing up to intimidation. Meekly walking away because you are afraid of the consequences some say is smart, for me its cowardice.
He read the situation correctly and got half his money back.
Giving it to the police was a big mistake.It seems the girls are very frightened as Mdem mentioned that he did start shouting at the girl. No matter how, it is really unreasonable to ask for full refund for a service paid and done, even it is not delivered as expected, especially it is being stated in the counter "No Refund" and Mdem already accepted upfront. I can imagine that the girl at the counter looks terrified when Mdem is shouting and asking for full refund. What I usually do is that, instead of shouting loud to the girls (this will scare them bro), I would speak calmly and complain to the manager about my dissatisfaction about that particular girl. I am sure if the girl is that bad, many customers would have did the same complain and eventually the shop wouldn't want to keep her as staff!
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs.While everything is from Mdem's point of view, there are times where I get to know from Thai night girls that there are customer who is very un-thoughtful, forcing them to deep throat or didn't bother to give them space for breathing. Could this be the reason why she is trying to put one hand to hold on junior while giving BJ? Though, I salute you for your bravery. Calling police was the right move. But asking for refund and paying the police was just stupid.
If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.
Do you remember a few years back there was an incident that made all the BKK newpapers and internet. Apparently an expat got into a heated argument with a taxi driver half his size. The driver stopped his car, picked up a machete in the trunk, and hacked the expat to death. What a way to go! But not more stupid than arguing at gun point in a blow job bar with a Thai pimp over $20. Bravo!Call this. Natural selection.
Total stupidity. Bravery is Che Guevara engaging fully armed soldiers with a defective gun. Stupidity is willingness to die for spraying jizz on carpet rather than in mouth. You're lucky you are alive to tell the tale and not causing grief to family and friends who would have heard that you were shot in a blow job bar and that the only down side for you was having to clean soiled underwear.Mdemde may have felt brave, but the guy in the shop likely did not feel threatened by on old man in his 60's who loses his temper if he finishes on the floor.
Blanquiceleste
02-07-19, 05:41
I'm glad that Mdemde stood his ground if he felt he had been scammed. Some folks here seem to have balls that are bigger than their brains. I hope they do not reproduce.
No personal offence.
Some folks here seem to have balls that are bigger than their brains. I hope they do not reproduce.
No personal offence.All talk and no real tough guy balls. Tough guys do not cry to the cops nor do they rat out the place. Whining because he didn't get to CIM. Tell it to your mother.
I feel your pain.
But just a warning to everyone out there, if I'm ever pointing a gun at someone and they make this comment to me, they are going to have their brains splattered all over the walls in about 0.5 seconds! "are you going to use it, go on then".
Its game over!
Were you drunk?
Why would you say that to somebody with a pistol in your face?Watching too many Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood movies.
I assume it was the regular police rather than the tourist police. I agree that you should press charges rather than let it drop.Yes, it was the regular police. But I will not be pressing charges, apart from the fact that I don't want to end up in the Bangkok Post as a 'foreigner threatened with gun in Bangkok massage parlour' and then have the story picked up by the press in my home country, the court system here is corrupt and favours not only the wealthy over the poor, but also the locals over the foreigner. It would be a long, drawn out and time consuming process with most likely a counter charge from the man with the gun accusing me of assaulting him and backed up with (paid-for) witnesses, that is how they play the system. I would then have to surrender my passport and would be unable to leave the country until the case was over, which would be at least a year or two. And I would need to engage a lawyer, they don't come cheap here and are notoriously corrupt. Everything here is corrupt and as a foreigner the cards are stacked against you. It really is not worth the hassle. But if it had occurred in my home country then I most definitely would press charges.
Now if I were you, I would not go again in that part of the city in a near future, and would even consider moving from Suk if you're staying there. You made them lose face, some policemen got involved too, who knows what could cross their mind if they see you again in a place that's not related to massage shops.That's a bit over-dramatic. To people like that, all farangs are the same so it's unlikely they would even recognise him.
If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.You are being kind. I call BS on 90% of it.
That he had an experience in the room that did not meet his expectations is believable. The rest of the story varies from unlikely to highly implausible.
SL.
If you're reading these lines Mdemde, kuddos to you for standing your ground in front of these f*ckers. Now if I were you, I would not go again in that part of the city in a near future, and would even consider moving from Suk if you're staying there. You made them lose face, some policemen got involved too, who knows what could cross their mind if they see you again in a place that's not related to massage shops.I actually live well away from Sukumvit. The reason I gave the THB 650 that I got back from 7-Heaven to the police was as a bribe of sorts, to thank them for what they did and to get them on my side IE leave them with a favourable impression of me. A smile, a thank you, and a cash sum always goes down well with the Boys in Brown! The police have no reason to come after me, though I did cause the weasel with the gun to lose face in front of all the Thai staff at 7-Heaven who saw him having to back down to a foreigner. Will he come after me? I don't think he will, I'm sure that the police have by now tracked him down and warned him off. It is always a high-profile case and bad publicity for Thailand if anything bad happens to a foreigner. If anything does happen to me then the police will know who will be their first suspect, and he will know it as well, it would be very risky for him.
You are being kind. I call BS on 90% of it.
The rest of the story varies from unlikely to highly implausible.
SL.Of course I have no way of backing up my story, but feel free to challenge any part of it. I have nothing to gain from telling a pack of lies. But it should be easy to verify one part of my story, I invite any poster here to visit 7-Heaven tonight or tomorrow night or whenever under the guise of going for a BJ. Then start chatting with the manager, and tell her you went there last Monday night at about 10 pm hoping to have a BJ but you saw the place was full of police so were frightened and left. Then ask her what the problem was. Then wait to see what she says. She will most likely laugh it off as something like 'only farang causing problem' but that will be confirmation of one part of my story. That the police were there. Then you can either go for a BJ (I suggest you give 'Soda' a miss), or make an excuse and leave. But like I said, feel free to challenge any part of my story and I will do my best to respond.
Rereading your account which is refreshing for its honest portrayal of what happened I offer the following as a possible explanation of her behavior.
As you mention everything was going well until you changed position and moved her hands from holding your dick.
She may then for whatever reason have felt you wanted to face fuck her, something she hadn't signed up for.
She is in my opinion entitled to hold your dick while giving head and allowing you to come in her mouth. Changing position and taking her hands off "junior" could have alarmed her and made her apprehensive about what was going on.
Possible?When I took her hands off of junior, which I had to do at least three of four times, I did so slowly and gently, she had no cause for alarm. I did not go for a HJ with CIM as a finish. For me, a proper or standard BJ is given when the female makes full use of her tongue as well as by thrusting her mouth up and down on junior, and when the female stops for a rest, I then like to continue for awhile by gently holding her mouth still and then letting me do the thrusting, never forcefully. This, to me, is a normal BJ, with minimal or no hand work from the female and is how I have always been serviced.
I feel your pain.
But just a warning to everyone out there, if I'm ever pointing a gun at someone and they make this comment to me, they are going to have their brains splattered all over the walls in about 0.5 seconds! "are you going to use it, go on then".
Its game over!
Were you drunk?
Why would you say that to somebody with a pistol in your face?I had not been drinking. I challenged him because though he was threatening me, he did not look menacing, if anything he looked pathetic. He was a weasel trying to act tough. He had a gun, of course he could have used it, but he did not frighten me at all.
There's no way he would have been shot dead in the middle of the BJ bar in that part of Suk. This would bring too much bad publicity to these massage shops while the authorities are trying to clean the reputation of the Thai massage shops. The Thai guy that pulled a gun was probably very stupid...........If the Thai guy is stupid enough to pull out a gun in those circumstances he is stupid enough to have his finger slip on to the trigger.
Crazy4Thai
02-08-19, 02:33
I feel your pain.
But just a warning to everyone out there, if I'm ever pointing a gun at someone and they make this comment to me, they are going to have their brains splattered all over the walls in about 0.5 seconds! "are you going to use it, go on then".
Its game over!
Were you drunk?
Why would you say that to somebody with a pistol in your face?Too true! Let's call it Thai Roulette and this time you survived. I for sure am a hothead. But with a gun pointed at me? I would like to think that would cool me right the fuck down.
If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.
Do you remember a few years back there was an incident that made all the BKK newpapers and internet. Apparently an expat got into a heated argument with a taxi driver half his size. The driver stopped his car, picked up a machete in the trunk, and hacked the expat to death. What a way to go! But not more stupid than arguing at gun point in a blow job bar with a Thai pimp over $20. Bravo!Some of you guys misunderstand what the stupid shit thread is for. It's the internet and there will always be trolls who put up dubious posts, part of using the forum is learning to identify them, it's not hard, they self identify, and then ignore them. The subject of the forum doesn't matter, there will always be people who need to bloviate, auto repair, angry cats, travel forums or hookers.
The stupid shit isn't the original post, the stupid shit is the 38, yeah really 38 I counted them, posts that have now come as a result of the first one. They are spread over four pages and anybody who's coming here to read about fucking hookers in Bangkok had to wade through them.
That's why I moved it all to the stupid shit thread, including this one.
A2
NaughtyDogBKK
02-08-19, 07:35
I've just recently moved to Bangkok and have a few quick reports. Most of them have been about blowjobs. Frankly struggling to justify paying every time I want my whistle wet, which is what it can cost at an oily, gogo, etc. That said, I still want my whistle-wetter to be something attractive. Which is unfortunately a real limitation in Bangkok BJ shops.
The first place I went was to "the L word". I don't want to get code worded out, but you know the place. Walked up and saw a cutie, waved at her and she happily jumped up and took me upstairs. What followed was an exceptional BJ. As she started, she took my hands and put them on her head, forcing herself down. I took the hint and happily face fucked her to an embarrassingly quick completion. It was an all-in-all amazing experience. Her name was Ma. Price was ฿800, and I gave her the change as well.
The second visit I came back to the same place. But. Honestly no one there was in any way appealing. One woman jumped up but she was. To put it politely even if she wasn't really old she wouldn't have been great looking. There were a few passable ones in there, but with this woman up in my face I couldn't really pick any of them. Definitely no Ma. Anyway, I just said "Um. No thanks. I think I'm good. " and left. I crossed the road and went to the famous Wood Bar. TBH my experiences there were not great, but the last time I went was literally years ago, so one bad provider doesn't mean much. Wood has one advantage over Ls. Instead of walking down a blind alley to get pounced by whoever, they do a little line-up for you. Frankly the talent in that line-up wasn't great. I asked about price and was told ฿1000, which is more than Ls. I was on a pretty tight budget and not that keen on any of them so again I decided on a no go.
Third trip out I went back to Ls. No Ma again, but no scary woman, and one was alright, so I picked her. Kind of cute face, friendly, nice big titties on display. The act was. Alright. Nothing world class. Afterwards she said some things with a laugh. Pointed at her mouth and my old fella. And I kind of went "Well, yeah, that's why I came here. " It was about two minutes later I realised what she was saying. Just after I'd paid. Now I don't know exactly what she'd been eating. Tom Yum maybe? I'm no expert. But I know for sure that you shouldn't eat spicy food for lunch when you suck dicks for a living. Ugh. The burning. So on the way home I stopped in at a 7-11 and bought a small bottle of milk. For rinsing purposes. Still, by the time I finished my walk home, everything had settled down. I drank the milk.
Fourth trip out I'd heard about the famous Som's Haven, but never got to go. I did also find out that there was a less catchily-named Duangporn's Haven. It's located just near the Asok intersection and then down an alley, Analisa Massage is in the same alley. Anyway, I walked up and though there were no real lookers, a chubby girl jumped up like it was her turn. Inside she explained that it was a BJ bar, and the price was. Which is 100 less than I thought. I asked if the BJ was with her and she said it was. I was. Not keen and despite her attempts to explain her mad BJ skills, I asked for someone else and picked. Frankly the least worst. That experience was. Alright. Taking me into and out of a shower room seemed like a lot of effort and ceremony for a BJ and certainly wasn't the deal at any other I've been too, which is more of a quick wipe and off we go. I wasn't feeling it much, and it was a pretty ordinary BJ. So it took time for me to get interested. I started feeling her up a bit and that helped the process to completion, but wouldn't be a recommendation. On the way out there was a hottie who hadn't been there when I arrived. Dammit.
I just want to see Ma again, but unfortunately the BJ bars you have to roll the dice and take your chances.
Beijing4987
02-08-19, 07:56
To put someone the ignore list takes clicking on "settings", clicking on ignore list, typing the posters handle, then clicking one last time to confirm. To undo the ignore only takes on click.
Beijing4987
02-08-19, 08:02
Those that quote someone on my ignore list are put on my ignore list, even if I normally read their other posts. Like Adm says, it just snowballs. Just ignore and do not quote and the problrm goes away.
Pointy Stick
02-08-19, 08:51
I had not been drinking. I challenged him because though he was threatening me, he did not look menacing, if anything he looked pathetic. He was a weasel trying to act tough. He had a gun, of course he could have used it, but he did not frighten me at all.Do you think it was worth the risk? I've done some stupid shit in Thailand like hanging out of the back of a train drunk trying to light a cigarette but I dialed down on that shit pretty fast. I think your life is worth more than blowing in a prostitutes mouth but that's just my opinion.
The stupid shit isn't the original post, the stupid shit is the 38, yeah really 38 I counted them, posts that have now come as a result of the first one. They are spread over four pages and anybody who's coming here to read about fucking hookers in Bangkok had to wade through them.
That's why I moved it all to the stupid shit thread, including this one.
A2I understand and agree with you that the original post was not stupid shit. But why do you classify the responses to that post, that were (given the subject) inevitable and IMO not stupid at all, as stupid shit? Just because they are off topic? If that's the reason then I wish you good luck with keeping the Thailand threads on topic.
PedroMorales
02-08-19, 15:26
There are lots of examples of pint sized Thais blowing obese farangs away with 45's, 38's and so on as they prefer the Monkey House to losing face. The house will always take the locals' side. Being a virtual Clint Eastwood can be fun but it is no fun to those who try to rinse and repeat in real life.
Some of you guys misunderstand what the stupid shit thread is for. It's the internet and there will always be trolls who put up dubious posts, part of using the forum is learning to identify them, it's not hard, they self identify, and then ignore them. The subject of the forum doesn't matter, there will always be people who need to bloviate, auto repair, angry cats, travel forums or hookers.
The stupid shit isn't the original post, the stupid shit is the 38, yeah really 38 I counted them, posts that have now come as a result of the first one. They are spread over four pages and anybody who's coming here to read about fucking hookers in Bangkok had to wade through them.
That's why I moved it all to the stupid shit thread, including this one.
A2
I understand and agree with you that the original post was not stupid shit. But why do you classify the responses to that post, that were (given the subject) inevitable and IMO not stupid at all, as stupid shit? Just because they are off topic? If that's the reason then I wish you good luck with keeping the Thailand threads on topic.They weren't reviews. They weren't about some guy sticking his dick in a chick, they weren't on topic at all. And let me say it again, there were 38 of them taking up 4 pages. Nobody except the 5 or 6 guys involved in it care about it at all. The majority of people who come to this site, myself included want to know about getting pussy in Thailand. They really don't give a shit if some guy thinks another guy is lying.
That's why this thread is here. You can call as many people as you want liars on this this thread, you can call them douchabags, jackwhistles, assholes, dickweeds, I don't care. You can pretty much call them anything you want as long as you don't talk bad about their moms.
The purpose of this website is simple, it's been the same forever, and it is crystal clear "The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex" it's so elegant in it's simplicity. 38 posts arguing with a guy about his truthiness has nothing to do with getting pussy.
I have no illusions that this will keep the Thailand thread on track, we would nearly have to burn it down to do that. I'm in Thailand right now, I was thinking about going to one of the high dollar spas like Utopia or La Belle and I wanted to check if I was remembering correctly how bad they suck for falangs and ran into 38 posts calling a guy a liar. It was excessive even by Thailand standards so I moved them and posted the admonishment about why I did. I know it will be the same tomorrow, it probably is the same right now, I'm sure a couple guys have already picked it back up.
I'm going back home in a few weeks and I'll most likely be fucking my regulars before I go. Since the ISG isn't my direct responsibility I probably won't look at the Thai forums until I come back so what happens happens.
You asked, so I thought I would answer. I just wish guys would fight on the fight thread, it would make the forum a lot more usable and would attract a lot more new guys and the amount of info would get better. I guess I'm a dreamer.
A2
LittleBigMan
02-08-19, 15:52
If the Thai guy is stupid enough to pull out a gun in those circumstances he is stupid enough to have his finger slip on to the trigger.I'm no expert but you are very lucky in general you haven't seen a Thai man really go off. Although it is my experience no different than those who haven't experience it? Due to their education, cuddle and being brainwashed Thai men are immature since they are pushed to grow up fast in their culture but their brains haven't been fully developed. One of my favorite saying to my son friends when they visit the house " you look like a man have a dick but what you got up top " sadly in general many of these guys are mental midgets. Years back I had a lot of problems more than my share of confrontations with Thai men I had to pretty much re-invent myself so I could live here somewhat in peace. Being Asian, once they realized you aren't Thai tough to explain the look but they pretty much give you the head toe going over and here it comes " you are in Thailand my country I'm not going to lose face over this to a foreigner? Snap!
There have been recent stories reported Thai vs. Thai of a Army officer pulling out a gun during a driving incident that CCTV caught, recently just off Sukhumvit in Bangkok where an off duty police in a confrontation with a French guy who won the battle pulled out his gun chase down the Frenchmen in broad daylight and shot him to death.
Sure this might happen anywhere in the world, hope people never experience it because until you do many don't have an idea of what I'm talking about? They act first in rage and worry later! None of this means here in a confrontation you should take it likely because one slip and it is over I once did turn my back and nearly lost my life.
There are lots of examples of pint sized Thais blowing obese farangs away with 45's, 38's and so on as they prefer the Monkey House to losing face. The house will always take the locals' side. Being a virtual Clint Eastwood can be fun but it is no fun to those who try to rinse and repeat in real life.Gave me the best advice I ever got about Thailand so far. "Thais are the nicest people in the world right up to the moment they aren't and when they aren't somebody is going to die. " I've always taken that to mean "don't fuck with Thais. " It has served me well so far. I can't imagine getting myself into a position where a Thai would be waving a gun at me and if it ever happened challenging them would be the last thing I would do.
A2.
P.S. Well, maybe except from behind the keyboard. Then I might.
Just saying.
To put someone the ignore list takes clicking on "settings", clicking on ignore list, typing the posters handle, then clicking one last time to confirm. To undo the ignore only takes on click.If I may kind sir, click their name, click "Add to ignore list" and bobs your uncle it's done.
Franciscass
02-09-19, 03:35
When I took her hands off of junior, which I had to do at least three of four times, I did so slowly and gently, she had no cause for alarm. I did not go for a HJ with CIM as a finish. For me, a proper or standard BJ is given when the female makes full use of her tongue as well as by thrusting her mouth up and down on junior, and when the female stops for a rest, I then like to continue for awhile by gently holding her mouth still and then letting me do the thrusting, never forcefully. This, to me, is a normal BJ, with minimal or no hand work from the female and is how I have always been serviced.First let me say I am not judging you, just trying to figure out what might have caused her attitude to change.
When you say she stopped for a rest and you then took her head in your hands and continued with the blow job that is by my definition face fucking. She no longer has any control over what was happening except to pull away altogether. I don't doubt that you felt what you were doing was OK and other girls have had no issue with it but obviously this girl had.
Perhaps she had some similar experience in the past that went sour.
When you book a girl for a BJ except for delivering agreed CIM or number of pops how she does it is not part of the agreement. When it's not delivered in the specific way you want but still qualifies as a BJ I. E. Sucking your dick, it's difficult to argue you should get a refund.
If everybody who wasn't satisfied with how a girl performed and demanded a refund can you imagine the reception area with guys screaming she wasn't enthusiastic enough I want my money back.
Only you and she know for sure what went down and it would be very interesting to hear her side of the story.
Unlike most members I applaud you for standing your ground. You read the situation correctly realized he was not a serious player and off he went.
When I know I am within my rights I have stood up to taxi driver scammers and other rip off merchants including police trying to extort.
Bringing up isolated lurid incidents of a machete hacking and guns being used does not reflect what normally happens in a face off, More often than not a calm polite and firm refusal to be taken advantage of gets you through without any trouble.
Do you think it was worth the risk?It was risky, yes. But it all happened so quick, and I was really angry and really pissed off about what had happened with the girl, and as we all know being in that state can affect judgement. But I honestly did not fear for my life. If he (the Thai man that pulled the gun) had been a bit bigger, and had an air of menace about him maybe I would have backed down. I really don't know. If he had fired a warning shot I would most likely have reacted differently. Maybe I would have fled, maybe I would have jumped him. Maybe he knew that if he fired a warning shot I would have jumped him and that caused him to back down. It all happened so quick and without warning, I did not think about the risk to me when it happened, I reacted instantly by challenging him. Others might have fled, others might have reacted the same as I did, others might have jumped on him and kicked the shit out of him. Was I foolish? Yes, because I could have lost my life!
I have never been mugged but have often thought about how I would react if I was. But I had never thought that I would ever have a gun pulled on me in a BJ shop.
If everybody who wasn't satisfied with how a girl performed and demanded a refund can you imagine the reception area with guys screaming she wasn't enthusiastic enough I want my money back.It wasn't so much as to how she performed, it was the fact that I paid for a BJ with a CIM finish. I made a point of asking the manager before I paid at reception and the girl before she started, and both confirmed that yes it would be a CIM finish. But I did not get a CIM finish. That was the whole point of the BJ, being able to finish and shoot my load inside her mouth! She prevented me from finishing inside her mouth. She stopped at the critical moment. She short changed me. She ripped me off. I don't slap girls around and have never had rough sex, I did not do anything to cause her to be scared or frightened of me. The manager tried to rip me off by point blank refusing a refund. I was pissed off with both the girl and the manager.
"Thais are the nicest people in the world right up to the moment they aren't and when they aren't somebody is going to die. " I've always taken that to mean "don't fuck with Thais. " It has served me well so far.Learned that one 30 years ago, it should be emblazoned at customs in Swampy.
Crocodilexp
02-09-19, 17:39
I've always taken that to mean "don't fuck with Thais. " It has served me well so far.
I fucked with hundreds of Thais so far (as I imagine most people on this forum did) and never had any trouble.
It wasn't so much as to how she performed, it was the fact that I paid for a BJ with a CIM finish. I made a point of asking the manager before I paid at reception and the girl before she started, and both confirmed that yes it would be a CIM finish. But I did not get a CIM finish. That was the whole point of the BJ, being able to finish and shoot my load inside her mouth! She prevented me from finishing inside her mouth. She stopped at the critical moment. She short changed me. She ripped me off. I don't slap girls around and have never had rough sex, I did not do anything to cause her to be scared or frightened of me. The manager tried to rip me off by point blank refusing a refund. I was pissed off with both the girl and the manager.+1 agree. IMO, even if you did something innocuous like touching her ears or her face while she was blowing you and she used that as an excuse not to deliver what she took your money for, she and the management should have given you a full refund. She must have had dozens of men touching her ears or face during a blowjob in her life. And if it annoyed or scared her so much that she could not proceed with the agreed upon service it is simple enough to ask the customer not to do it or move the man's hands away.
As far as I know nobody pays for JUST a "BBBJ" as oral foreplay with no expectation of a finish in some specific way. It is not an act that stands alone as something any punter searches out and pays for; "Just give me some oral foreplay for a few minutes and I'll be on my way, thanks. 500 baht? Fine."
Franciscass
02-10-19, 02:45
+1 agree. IMO, even if you did something innocuous like touching her ears or her face while she was blowing you and she used that as an excuse not to deliver what she took your money for, she and the management should have given you a full refund. She must have had dozens of men touching her ears or face during a blowjob in her life. And if it annoyed or scared her so much that she could not proceed with the agreed upon service it is simple enough to ask the customer not to do it or move the man's hands away.
As far as I know nobody pays for JUST a "BBBJ" as oral foreplay with no expectation of a finish in some specific way. It is not an act that stands alone as something any punter searches out and pays for; "Just give me some oral foreplay for a few minutes and I'll be on my way, thanks. 500 baht? Fine."Only the two people in the room know what actually happened. Does this girl have a history of not delivering on CIM, if so yes it's a straight up rip off. If she doesn't and most customers are happy with her performance it would suggest something out of the ordinary happened to cause the change in her behavior half way through the session. Gently touching a girls ear or face while she is sucking is perfectly fine, taking her hands away and holding her head in both hands is something entirely different and could conceivably give a girl cause for concern to what the customer is really after.
As far as I know nobody pays for JUST a "BBBJ" as oral foreplay with no expectation of a finish in some specific way. It is not an act that stands alone as something any punter searches out and pays for; "Just give me some oral foreplay for a few minutes and I'll be on my way, thanks. 500 baht? Fine."You hit the nail on the head (pardon the pun).
I fucked with hundreds of Thais so far (as I imagine most people on this forum did) and never had any trouble.Fucked with, or just fucked. I've fucked a few dozen Thai's (thank you ladies) but I have only once, for a very short time until I remembered I was a guest in their country, fucked WITH a Thai.
I also learned something yesterday. It's not a bad thing to talk like Warner Oland playing Charlie Chan when giving directions to a moto taxi. I told him FoRest and he nodded his head I jumped on and he went the wrong way so I directed him. When we got there he looked at me and said FoLest! I told him with a straight face sollee and have told all the rest FoLest since then and they all knew right where it was.
I haven't spoken like that because it seemed somehow bad in my head. Live and learn.
As far as I know nobody pays for JUST a "BBBJ" as oral foreplay with no expectation of a finish in some specific way. It is not an act that stands alone as something any punter searches out and pays for; "Just give me some oral foreplay for a few minutes and I'll be on my way, thanks. 500 baht? Fine."I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.
I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.Ah. But I'll bet you would have asked for your money back if she had only hovered her ass 12 inches above your cock or if she had rubbed her ass over your right foot instead.
I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.Ah. But I'll bet you would have asked for your money back if she had only hovered her ass 12 inches above your cock or if she had rubbed her ass on your right shoe instead.
Banana Boi
02-14-19, 14:54
if she had rubbed her ass on your right shoe instead.It depends. How much does a quality shoe shine cost these days?
It depends. How much does a quality shoe shine cost these days?LOL. If he has to pay 500 baht for the left shoe too, I think 1,000 baht might be a tad bit pricy.
I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.For 500 k (16,000 USD) I wouldn't mind as well to do this. I have a small ass so if you close your eyes you won't feel the difference LOL.
About to start my 28 days trip to Thailand and the currency is definitively not in my favor. All currency right now are doing poorly against the baht. Because of it, I will have to plan better and be more efficient punting, 10% lost in 90 days which might translate one girl less.
I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.500 k or 500 baht?
Steve 9696
02-22-19, 02:42
Day 7.
It was Monday and my final night in Bkk before I hit Patts for 6 days. I had a few business meetings in the morning which I wrapped up early, so I had more time to play.
My plan was to finally meet a girl from Uthai Thani who I had also met on TF 2 months back. She was 21, cute and apparently a virgin. I had sent her some money to travel to Bkk to meet me. We were to spend the night together, then head to a destination 1 hour outside Bkk, spend the night there and we'd go our separate ways with me heading to Pattaya. Now this was a big gamble I was taking as firstly, I wasn't sure if she would pitch and secondly I didn't know if I'd like her that much to spend 2 nights with her. It's not really my style to go with girls LT, however, I did end up having 2 overnight affairs on my trip.
It's obvious why I'd do something this crazy, and it's because I wanted to take her virginity. We had discussed it prior to my arrival and she was quite content to let me be her first. 11 am I get a Line call, she had arrived in Bkk and was at a coffee shop near Ekkamai Bts. I head over and finally meet her. Let's just say she's very photogenic. In reality without filters she was still cute, but not what I anticipated. She had great legs, slightly tanned complexion, short, small bust, a bit of acne being covered up with makeup, cute smile, braces. We ordered some coffee's and something to eat. She started talking about how good it was to finally meet, how much she looked forward to this moment, how we go so well together and all that kind of stuff. Didn't really bother me, until she started going on about love, a distant relationship, meeting her family and going to visit her sickly father, and even about coming to live with me in my country. Errrr. What?.Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly. [Deleted by Admin] It is horrifying. These girls are human beings.
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Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly. Take a look at the shit you post. It is horrifying. These girls are human beings.Though I'm guilty of appreciating SiamSin's posts in start and it's hard to find moral line on this forum (considering it's sex in exchange of money) but now I'm feeling it too, especially after reading about sending the girl back after she travelled all the way to meet him, yes he gave her money but everything can't be escaped by throwing money. He should have been cautious before asking her to come all the way.
SiamSin shouldn't glorify these incidents and may be review his future FRs more before posting.
Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly. Take a look at the shit you post. It is horrifying. These girls are human beings.I think SiamSin just has a way of saying things in a more humorous way in keeping with how many men talk about these things among themselves but not necessarily exactly the way he said it to the lady in person. "luring a virgin from miles away"? Being involved quite a bit with dating sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid, I can assure you there are very, very few, maybe NO truly "innocent" Thai girls on those sites. I mean "innocent" in the same way we think of the word in the West.
I realize you did not use the word "innocent", but it seems to have been implied that she was an "innocent", unknowing virgin. Here's the thing; NO truly "innocent" Thai girl would ever go online to present herself in a virtual line up and then reply and respond to the idea of meeting a total stranger (a farang!), especially if there was the probability of sex happening. From a Thai male's point of view, that is less than a half step away from being a stone cold prostitute. Most "innocent" Thai girls have likely not even been left alone with a boy old enough to fuck them without grandma monitoring the situation nearby. We are a bit misled about the concept of "innocence" based on the girls we meet in and around the red light districts of Bangkok and Pattaya. Truly "innocent" Thai girls would never even pass through either of those places unless it was with their family.
And I would almost be willing to bet serious money that girl BROUGHT UP the idea of SiamSin paying for her trip to Bangkok and pestered him at least a half dozen times to transfer it quick quick quick before he finally did so. That is sure the way it has been with me and the "innocent" Thai girls living in the outlying areas I meet on those dating sites. That is, IF they really and truly do live in those outlying areas and are not instead pocketing the few hundred baht bus fare for the trip and merely hopping on their boyfriend's motorcycle to meet their generous farang in the bus terminal at the designated time all the way from Sukhumvit Soi 101. LOL. The chance of her now being a little lamb lost in the Big City with no idea what to do or where to go with the additional money he gave her is very remote.
Steve9696,
If you read the entire post you would realise that I said she's cute, but not what I anticipated (This happens a lot when meeting girls online). Never said she was ugly. I also pointed out that she was 'apparently' a virgin! It could all have been a hoax. The only reason that I didn't go through with it was the obvious emotional attachment that may arise. I believe that this is relevant to the board, considering that other punters may find themselves in a similar situation, using the online avenues I did. As much as I am guilty of wording the reports in a non-typical and more descriptive approach, my point was quite simple, if a punter finds himself in a situation with a virgin, maybe think twice especially if there will be no further commitment from his part thereafter.
The way I look at it, I was never disrespectful nor did I hurt her in anyway. If anything, she got to travel to the capital city, go around shopping and seeing attractions, spend a night there, and head back home without spending a cent. She sent me photos of her at Siam Paragon and MBK, 2 places she wanted to visit. We're still friends on Line, and chat occasionally.
Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly.."Horrifying" is a bit too much, no?
We are talking about girls that are going to spend hours of intimate time with random guys that they've never met before in exchange of money. These girls have probably done it hundred times with hundreds foreigners, they have probably seen a lot worst than Siamsin and certainly from people of their own country also.
I don't think he did anything wrong, the girl that said she was a virgin was probably not virgin anyway, the girl in the MP is fooling dozens of customers a month with her out of shape body.
I like Siamsin's posts, especially the stolen pics. It's when you start getting emotional with these girls that you realise that they were not as kind as you thought and you get badly burnt.
Blanquiceleste
02-22-19, 14:13
I think SiamSin just has a way of saying things in a more humorous way in keeping with how many men talk about these things among themselves but not necessarily exactly the way he said it to the lady in person. "luring a virgin from miles away"? Being involved quite a bit with dating sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid, I can assure you there are very, very few, maybe NO truly "innocent" Thai girls on those sites. I mean "innocent" in the same way we think of the word in the West.
I realize you did not use the word "innocent", but it seems to have been implied that she was an "innocent", unknowing virgin. Here's the thing; NO truly "innocent" Thai girl would ever go online to present herself in a virtual line up and then reply and respond to the idea of meeting a total stranger (a farang!), especially if there was the probability of sex happening. From a Thai male's point of view, that is less than a half step away from being a stone cold prostitute. Most "innocent" Thai girls have likely not even been left alone with a boy old enough to fuck them without grandma monitoring the situation nearby. We are a bit misled about the concept of "innocence" based on the girls we meet in and around the red light districts of Bangkok and Pattaya. Truly "innocent" Thai girls would never even pass through either of those places unless it was with their family.
And I would almost be willing to bet serious money that girl BROUGHT UP the idea of SiamSin paying for her trip to Bangkok and pestered him at least a half dozen times to transfer it quick quick quick before he finally did so. That is sure the way it has been with me and the "innocent" Thai girls living in the outlying areas I meet on those dating sites. That is, IF they really and truly do live in those outlying areas and are not instead pocketing the few hundred baht bus fare for the trip and merely hopping on their boyfriend's motorcycle to meet their generous farang in the bus terminal at the designated time all the way from Sukhumvit Soi 101. LOL. The chance of her now being a little lamb lost in the Big City with no idea what to do or where to go with the additional money he gave her is very remote.Have to agree 100% with this perspective.
Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly. Take a look at the shit you post. It is horrifying. These girls are human beings.Trust me there are plenty more guys that have done worse shit. How do you think 7 / 10 prostitutes are single mothers?
There is nothing wrong with face pics IMHO. There are plenty of folks who post face pics. Same goes for "stolen moment" pics. How do you know it is not a screen grab from a video that was filmed with consent? I am certain he is not the first guy sending away a girl because she was not visually appealing. Sure, I may have personal views that are different. But it is the BM's right to post as he feels. There is an Administrator to decide it is appropriate or not.
Best way to ask a "normal girl" (7-11, coffee house, etc) worker if they do ST or LT without offending them? I see her often on Holiday so don't want to make it weird if she don't.
Steve 9696
02-22-19, 17:59
Have to agree 100% with this perspective.
Trust me there are plenty more guys that have done worse shit. How do you think 7 / 10 prostitutes are single mothers?
There is nothing wrong with face pics IMHO. There are plenty of folks who post face pics. Same goes for "stolen moment" pics. How do you know it is not a screen grab from a video that was filmed with consent? I am certain he is not the first guy sending away a girl because she was not visually appealing. Sure, I may have personal views that are different. But it is the BM's right to post as he feels. There is an Administrator to decide it is appropriate or not.Sure. I am not saying that we should censor his posts. And yes there are worse guys on the planet. That doesn't change the fact that I think his behavior is douchey. And I am glad I am granted the freedom to say so. I know that tigers can't change their stripes and hoping they will is futile. But I think sometimes people should step back and examine their behavior (me included!) and we may sometimes conclude "damn. That was a shitty thing to do. " And perhaps make a slight change to our future actions. Maybe a vain hope. But it is my hope nonetheless.
I also pointed out that she was 'apparently' a virgin! It could all have been a hoax. The only reason that I didn't go through with it was the obvious emotional attachment that may arise. I believe that this is relevant to the board, considering that other punters may find themselves in a similar situation, using the online avenues I did. As much as I am guilty of wording the reports in a non-typical and more descriptive approach, my point was quite simple, if a punter finds himself in a situation with a virgin, maybe think twice especially if there will be no further commitment from his part thereafter.
The way I look at it, I was never disrespectful nor did I hurt her in anyway. If anything, she got to travel to the capital city, go around shopping and seeing attractions, spend a night there, and head back home without spending a cent. She sent me photos of her at Siam Paragon and MBK, 2 places she wanted to visit. We're still friends on Line, and chat occasionally.Based on the conversation you described, you are the hunter but I can see you could become hunted at some point if you go thru with it.
That doesn't change the fact that I think his behavior is douchey.Maybe rewording my entire story would sound less 'douchey' in your books Steve. It would go something like this.
Met a girl that I had chatted to from TF at a coffee shop. She arrived from Uthai Thani to meet me in Bkk at my expense. An okay looking girl and a apparently a virgin. We had discussed having sex on our chats. She was really happy to finally meet me, but her constant mention of love, a relationship and meeting her family, got to me. I decided I couldn't go through with this, so I made up an excuse to leave, gave her enough money to stay the night in BKK, shop and travel home the next day. Is that better Steve?
"damn. That was a shitty thing to do." Perhaps if I went through with having sex with her and claiming her virginity, promising to meet her family and ensuring that I would continue a distant relationship with her, all the while whispering sweet words of love in her ear, but as soon as the 2 nights were over and she left, I blocked her and ended all contact with her, and you said that was 'a shitty thing to do' I would agree 100%.
However, meeting a girl for the first time and not being happy with an emotional attachment that may arise (catching feelings) if we had to have sex, knowing that my intention was purely sexual but not her's, then giving her money for her troubles is certainly not a shitty thing to do, I believe it was the right thing to do.
"damn. That was a shitty thing to do."IMO these are 'shitty' things to do and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular:
1. Having a wife that you apparently love, took vows with, have kids with, but she doesn't know that you sleep with prostitutes, post about it on a forum, then go home and kiss her like nothing happened. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.
2. Having sex with poor prostitutes and offering them extra money for BBFS because it 'feels' better but endangers the girl, yourself, your wife and future punters. I think that's pretty 'shitty' and pretty selfish.
3. Knowingly having an STD, not doing anything about it, but still punting for BBFS without concern for the lady's medical bills or her well being. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.
But if me paying a girl for no sex is 'douchy' and a 'shitty' thing to do, then I must apologise for not conforming to the norm Steve.
Steve 9696
02-22-19, 22:48
Maybe rewording my entire story would sound less 'douchey' in your books Steve. It would go something like this.
Met a girl that I had chatted to from TF at a coffee shop. She arrived from Uthai Thani to meet me in Bkk at my expense. An okay looking girl and a apparently a virgin. We had discussed having sex on our chats. She was really happy to finally meet me, but her constant mention of love, a relationship and meeting her family, got to me. I decided I couldn't go through with this, so I made up an excuse to leave, gave her enough money to stay the night in BKK, shop and travel home the next day. Is that better Steve?
Perhaps if I went through with having sex with her and claiming her virginity, promising to meet her family and ensuring that I would continue a distant relationship with her, all the while whispering sweet words of love in her ear, but as soon as the 2 nights were over and she left, I blocked her and ended all contact with her, and you said that was 'a shitty thing to do' I would agree 100%.
However, meeting a girl for the first time and not being happy with an emotional attachment that may arise (catching feelings) if we had to have sex, knowing that my intention was purely sexual but not her's, then giving her money for her troubles is certainly not a shitty thing to do, I believe it was the right thing to do.
IMO these are 'shitty' things to do and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular:
1. Having a wife that you apparently love, took vows with, have kids with, but she doesn't know that you sleep with prostitutes, post about it on a forum, then go home and kiss her like nothing happened. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.
2. Having sex with poor prostitutes and offering them extra money for BBFS because it 'feels' better but endangers the girl, yourself, your wife and future punters. I think that's pretty 'shitty' and pretty selfish.
3. Knowingly having an STD, not doing anything about it, but still punting for BBFS without concern for the lady's medical bills or her well being. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.
But if me paying a girl for no sex is 'douchy' and a 'shitty' thing to do, then I must apologise for not conforming to the norm Steve.Easy enough to ignore me, but instead you wrote a considered response. I appreciate that. And thanks to all forum guys who make for interesting dialog. And always thanks to all the WGs, especially those that make us believe it's real for an hour. Hats off to them.
Mr Enternational
02-22-19, 23:40
Best way to ask a "normal girl" (7-11, coffee house, etc) worker if they do ST or LT without offending them? I see her often on Holiday so don't want to make it weird if she don't.Why not ask her out like a normal person? Why try to make everyone out to be hookers?
Why not ask her out like a normal person? Why try to make everyone out to be hookers?That would be my recommendation too. But chances are very good that it will turn into some form of P4P anyway if the girl inserts into the conversation how strapped for cash she is, that her family needs money, her baby needs clothes or whatever. Not meaning that she is a hooker exactly or that he is only a customer. It is just a reality of life and imo fair for a man who is boffing an extremely low income girl to give her a gift (money) to "help her family" or to "buy her baby new clothes."
And it is entirely possible she will refuse an offer of money. It happens. But if the "gift" offer is made as close as possible to her mentioning how low on cash she is then it will be a natural response to what she just said and he should not be worried about having insulted her out of the blue.
If the idea is he really doesn't want to have a dating relationship with the girl and only wants to fuck, pay and leave (or her to leave), then he will need to tighten up the spaces between Hello, My Baby Need Clothes, I Can Help You, The Fuck Session, Here Let Me Help You and Bye (until next time). LOL.
Personally, I think the instant the girl mentions anything about needing money it is game on with that sequence of events and she will appreciate the speed and efficiency with which the man grasped the situation and acted on it rather than feel insulted by it.
My experience anyway. YMMV.
That would be my recommendation too. But chances are very good that it will turn into some form of P4P anyway if the girl inserts into the conversation how strapped for cash she is, that her family needs money, her baby needs clothes or whatever. Not meaning that she is a hooker exactly or that he is only a customer. It is just a reality of life and imo fair for a man who is boffing an extremely low income girl to give her a gift (money) to "help her family" or to "buy her baby new clothes."
And it is entirely possible she will refuse an offer of money. It happens. But if the "gift" offer is made as close as possible to her mentioning how low on cash she is then it will be a natural response to what she just said and he should not be worried about having insulted her out of the blue.
If the idea is he really doesn't want to have a dating relationship with the girl and only wants to fuck, pay and leave (or her to leave), then he will need to tighten up the spaces between Hello, My Baby Need Clothes, I Can Help You, The Fuck Session, Here Let Me Help You and Bye (until next time). LOL.
Personally, I think the instant the girl mentions anything about needing money it is game on with that sequence of events and she will appreciate the speed and efficiency with which the man grasped the situation and acted on it rather than feel insulted by it.
My experience anyway. YMMV.OK, that's the avenue I thought to take. I just wasn't sure if there was a shortcut to P4P conversation.
1 more question before I arrive. My last trip I came back with both chlamydia and gonorrhea. I like BB too much I don't care about the shot in the ass or the 2 horse pills they give you but I don't want to be judged by my primary care Dr. Is there something I could buy at a pharmacy or a clinic the day I go back to ward off any possibilities? I'll be in Pattaya.
HorseTrader
03-17-19, 06:19
In November I posted about a girl who went on holiday with a farang who didn't pay the agreed 30,000 baht fee. This is the friend of one of my Thaifriendly girls. Older girl who is a bit chunky, not pretty.
Today I asked how the girlfriend was doing financially. It turns out that getting stiffed by the farang convinced her to start a new way of dealing with farang men. She basically finds farang men on Thaifriendly and Thaiflirting. She spends hours each night video chatting with these men, telling them how much she cares for them and doing video masturbations. After a few days of sucking them in she tells them her financial problems. Can't pay rent. Can't pay kids' tuition. Can't pay power bill. Sometimes she makes plans to meet them in Bangkok, but says she doesn't have money to buy travel things (clothes, suitcase, etc.). She now has several men sending money to her. Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it. She has no intentions of meeting any of these farang men, just wants to collect their pity money. I'm surprised she is successful at this, she speaks almost zero English.
I suspect this is a pretty standard Thai girl scheme for money.
Mr Enternational
03-17-19, 08:48
She now has several men sending money to her. Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it.I have said before that women have told me they do not ask for anything, guys just force it upon them. No surprise when reading reports of guys being with chicks that don't even want money but they sneak it into their bags or tell them to buy something for their child or whatever. I remember when I first started going to Philippines and posted about fucking normal women and not having to give them anything. I was ridiculed by guys saying you are supposed to give them something anyway. Talking about they are just shy to ask. I have met plenty of chicks that have not been shy to ask, so if they need it that bad then I am sure they would ask. Besides, if they keep coming back over and over for even years sometimes and you have not given them anything, then that theory has lost its wind.
I am of the school of not giving them shit, that way I know who is with me for me and who is with me because they want money and other tangible goods. I pay hookers. I don't pay or "help" chicks that claim not to be a hooker. We can go out and live it up and take trips together, but no dough! Hell, she made it all these years without my money, why would she need it now?
At the beginning of last month I spent some time with a chick who works at a clinic in Colombia. Two weeks after, she told me that she wanted me to get her a phone just like mine. She saw how I could take pictures in the water at the beach and all. Samsung Note 9. $1000. I told her no. She has not said a word to me since.
As I write this a chick is just leaving my room. She works at the cable company in Pattaya. She has been over here a million times, usually late at night and she gets up for work early the next day. This morning she was asking if I had a girl over here because there is hair in the bathroom that is not hers. She said but she is not mad. This chick had never asked me for anything until one minute ago when she asked me to give her money to get food. I went and got my wallet and gave her 200 baht. She thanked me and I walked her out.
Big difference between the two chicks. And I would say big difference between me and a lot of other mongers. I have friends though that do the same shit and they should definitely know better. A while back a married friend that has mongered all over the world was talking about sending a Pattaya bar girl monthly remittances because it seemed she really wanted better for her life. I don't know if he ever started doing it, but that is the kind of shit going on out there.
Another chick that I mess with told me a gang of stories about guys. She said one guy told her the next time he comes he is going to buy her some land. She said she does not know if he is telling the truth or not, but last time gave her 50,000 baht for staying with him for 10 days. Meanwhile I gave her 1200 baht for staying with me about 18 hours.
I have friends though that do the same shit and they should definitely know better. A while back a married friend that has mongered all over the world was talking about sending a Pattaya bar girl monthly remittances because it seemed she really wanted better for her life. I don't know if he ever started doing it, but that is the kind of shit going on out there.
Another chick that I mess with told me a gang of stories about guys. She said one guy told her the next time he comes he is going to buy her some land. She said she does not know if he is telling the truth or not, but last time gave her 50,000 baht for staying with him for 10 days. Meanwhile I gave her 1200 baht for staying with me about 18 hours.Yup.
In the province I live in Isan the stories I hear and have heard from current providers, retired ones and their family members reflect these comments.
I see the land, houses and new Isuzu the-Max's from "Lor Falang with good heart" money daily.
If you have nothing better to do with your coin good on you. Your Bar girls husbands, boyfriends and family are living it up and need more.
PedroMorales
03-17-19, 09:51
Having skimmed the posts, I would like to ask if folk can help me put int a TV proposal. Basically there are TV shows where the crew look at shoddy workmanship alleged handymen or tradesmen did on buildings and how they over charged for same. The show then gets a professional crew in to fix up the damage, usually gratis.
I would pitch as follows: We get guys who have been done over and shaken down by the hookers of Thailand and the Philippines. After hearing their sob stories, then we send in the happy brigade, seasoned hookers to give them what they need on the house. We could have an are and X rated version of this show. Sponsors would not be an issue. Takers?
Engine Driver
03-17-19, 21:13
Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it. She has no intentions of meeting any of these farang men, just wants to collect their pity money. I'm surprised she is successful at this, she speaks almost zero English.
I suspect this is a pretty standard Thai themgirl scheme for money.This is chicken shit money for many mongers, so I suspect they don't really care. It's just a bit of light amusement for them and makes them feel good. No harm. Mongers are not going to go poor and girls aren't going to get rich. Each benefits a little, so let it continue!
I can understand Mr E's approach to payment, but me and many mongers feel better if we give the girls some money.
This is chicken shit money for many mongers, so I suspect they don't really care. It's just a bit of light amusement for them and makes them feel good. No harm. Mongers are not going to go poor and girls aren't going to get rich. Each benefits a little, so let it continue!
I can understand Mr E's approach to payment, but me and many mongers feel better if we give the girls some money.Giving them money for nothing ruins a perfectly good working girl and will change the relationship you have with her forever. Honeslty, you're hiring them for a job. They view you as a customer, so view them as you would any service provider.
A very wise monger I know goes so far as to pay them per session at the usual rate even when he takes them on a trip (pays for the trip as well). He'll also "loan" gals he's known for a time up to two sessions worth of money. But that loan is paid with the next two sessions.
Sorry, sending money to a working girl, whether you can afford it or not and no matter how it makes you "feel" , wins you no real favors. In fact, it makes you a mark in the gal's eye. It means she no longer has to earn. Your giving it for free. And she will never give it for free.
Franciscass
03-18-19, 03:51
The conversation on getting it for free amuses me. Those members who argue for it being perfectly acceptable are the same members who regularly glorify in paying the girls less than scale. Wrapping it up in self-serving justification waffle is a snow job. Let's call it out for what it is, it's simply being cheap and worse in some cases taking advantage of mostly vulnerable impressionable uneducated girls. I accept there is not the occasional genuine boy meets girl romance but come on guys don't be a cheap charlie pay the lady or leave the bed.
Having skimmed the posts, I would like to ask if folk can help me put int a TV proposal. Basically there are TV shows where the crew look at shoddy workmanship alleged handymen or tradesmen did on buildings and how they over charged for same. The show then gets a professional crew in to fix up the damage, usually gratis.
I would pitch as follows: We get guys who have been done over and shaken down by the hookers of Thailand and the Philippines. After hearing their sob stories, then we send in the happy brigade, seasoned hookers to give them what they need on the house. We could have an are and X rated version of this show. Sponsors would not be an issue. Takers?I'll help and I have TV experience.
Mr Enternational
03-18-19, 04:56
Giving them money for nothing ruins a perfectly good working girl and will change the relationship you have with her forever. Honeslty, you're hiring them for a job. They view you as a customer, so view them as you would any service provider.
Sorry, sending money to a working girl, whether you can afford it or not and no matter how it makes you "feel" , wins you no real favors.On the contrary, sending money to "take care" wins you the real title of boyfriend. A customer is one who gives money per session. I always tell working girls that I like to be customer, not boyfriend.
Engine Driver
03-18-19, 06:43
Giving them money for nothing ruins a perfectly good working girl and will change the relationship you have with her forever. Honeslty, you're hiring them for a job. They view you as a customer, so view them as you would any service provider.
A very wise monger I know goes so far as to pay them per session at the usual rate even when he takes them on a trip (pays for the trip as well). He'll also "loan" gals he's known for a time up to two sessions worth of money. But that loan is paid with the next two sessions.
Sorry, sending money to a working girl, whether you can afford it or not and no matter how it makes you "feel" , wins you no real favors. In fact, it makes you a mark in the gal's eye. It means she no longer has to earn. Your giving it for free. And she will never give it for free.Mate, who cares if it ruins a girl? If the mongers want to send money for doing nothing, isn't it their prerogative? Seriously, a monger spills more than that chicken shit money at the pub on Fridays. If a girl is ruined, then there's only another few million or so left in Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia. Everyone is getting too concerned about what a monger can and can't do with his money.
HorseTrader
03-18-19, 06:53
On the contrary, sending money to "take care" wins you the real title of boyfriend. A customer is one who gives money per session. I always tell working girls that I like to be customer, not boyfriend.Perhaps that is true in some cases, but not the specific case that I mentioned. She has no intention of meeting any of her customers, but, she will make plans to spend holiday with you but she has no intention of actually showing up at the designated meeting place. She doesn’t care that a farang flew half way around the world to spend his holiday with her. For her, it's a business. Chat, video sex, and her sob stories results in farang money being wired to Issan. That has become her only source of money since November.
Mr Enternational
03-18-19, 07:28
Perhaps that is true in some cases, but not the specific case that I mentioned. She has no intention of meeting any of her customers, The case I was talking about is if a guy has met and fucked a hooker here and sends money afterwards. I was not talking about the catfishing and scamming that your friend's friend is doing.
Mr Enternational
03-18-19, 07:41
Mate, who cares if it ruins a girl? Everyone is getting too concerned about what a monger can and can't do with his money.I don't give a fuck what anyone does with their money. The effects of doing that is what concerns me. In the 20 years that I have been mongering I have personally seen Costa Rica, Rio de Janeiro, and Sosua, Dominican Republic ruined because of this kind of shit. And from the looks of it, those same guys are working on ruining Medellin, Colombia right now. Doesn't much affect me because I learn languages, get normal chicks, and go to spots that locals go to.
I don't give a fuck what anyone does with their money. The effects of doing that is what concerns me. In the 20 years that I have been mongering I have personally seen Costa Rica, Rio de Janeiro, and Sosua, Dominican Republic ruined because of this kind of shit. And from the looks of it, those same guys are working on ruining Medellin, Colombia right now. Doesn't much affect me because I learn languages, get normal chicks, and go to spots that locals go to.Exactly. That is the point.
Mate, who cares if it ruins a girl? If the mongers want to send money for doing nothing, isn't it their prerogative? Seriously, a monger spills more than that chicken shit money at the pub on Fridays. If a girl is ruined, then there's only another few million or so left in Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia. Everyone is getting too concerned about what a monger can and can't do with his money.Point is it doesn't just ruin one gal, it ruins the entire scene. Changes expectations of not just that one gal, but all the ones she communicates with.
On the contrary, sending money to "take care" wins you the real title of boyfriend. A customer is one who gives money per session. I always tell working girls that I like to be customer, not boyfriend.I'd say it earns you the title of "patsy. " She isn't your "girlfriend" unless you are at least living in the same country as she is. Chances are even then she has more than one "boyfriend. ".
Crocodilexp
03-21-19, 18:36
If a girl is ruined, then there's only another few million or so left in Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia.Unfortunately, the mongering scene in all of these countries has long been in serious and irreversible decline, and in Thailand the regular dating scene is going to shit too (relative to what it was only a few years ago). I'm 100% certain about this for Thailand and Indonesia, not closely familiar with the Philippines.
Ten years ago, when decent girls were cheap and plentiful, I would have agreed with you. An occasional sponsor might have even done us a favor overall, since the girls had something to aspire too, and would be nicer to Farang customers in hopes of maybe snagging a regular or semi-regular sponsor.
However, these days, the scene has changed massively, we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel. Throw the sponsors into this mess, and you have bottom-end girls, who already charge high prices for not much service, thinking they're worth even more. Slightly more skilled ones are even dropping out of the straight-out PFP scene altogether, moving to chasing sponsors online.
The conversation on getting it for free amuses me. Those members who argue for it being perfectly acceptable are the same members who regularly glorify in paying the girls less than scale. Wrapping it up in self-serving justification waffle is a snow job. Let's call it out for what it is, it's simply being cheap and worse in some cases taking advantage of mostly vulnerable impressionable uneducated girls. I accept there is not the occasional genuine boy meets girl romance but come on guys don't be a cheap charlie pay the lady or leave the bed.Agreed. Even the ladies who aren't giving it up regularly for cash can still always use some help. I like to give gifts.
Engine Driver
03-22-19, 04:18
Unfortunately, the mongering scene in all of these countries has long been in serious and irreversible decline, and in Thailand the regular dating scene is going to shit too (relative to what it was only a few years ago). I'm 100% certain about this for Thailand and Indonesia, not closely familiar with the Philippines.
Ten years ago, when decent girls were cheap and plentiful, I would have agreed with you. An occasional sponsor might have even done us a favor overall, since the girls had something to aspire too, and would be nicer to Farang customers in hopes of maybe snagging a regular or semi-regular sponsor.
However, these days, the scene has changed massively, we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel. Throw the sponsors into this mess, and you have bottom-end girls, who already charge high prices for not much service, thinking they're worth even more. Slightly more skilled ones are even dropping out of the straight-out PFP scene altogether, moving to chasing sponsors online.Technology disrupters have entered just about every industry. Look at taxis, hotels, food delivery, motor vehicles, book sales and movies. Why should the mongering industry be any different?
There are mongers who will always yearn for the good old days when bar fines were 100 baht, girls asked for 300 baht all night with 4 pops CIM, there were no Indians or Russians in Pattaya, when AC wasn't teaming Koreans, the bars were all rocking and there was no internet. Unfortunately, those days are gone and mongers just need to adapt. To say that the sponsors have destroyed it for everyone is a bit ridiculous. The girls now have access to technology and there is very little unemployment in the shithole countries in which we monger in. These are the only things which have changed.
If it's any consolation, the average western monger has seen his wealth dramatically rise to unprecedented levels over the past 20-years (despite the GFC). Stocks have risen, property has risen and he's probably had five promotions at work. I don't see any mongers bleating about that.
Unfortunately, the mongering scene in all of these countries has long been in serious and irreversible decline, and in Thailand the regular dating scene is going to shit too (relative to what it was only a few years ago). I'm 100% certain about this for Thailand and Indonesia, not closely familiar with the Philippines.
Ten years ago, when decent girls were cheap and plentiful, I would have agreed with you. An occasional sponsor might have even done us a favor overall, since the girls had something to aspire too, and would be nicer to Farang customers in hopes of maybe snagging a regular or semi-regular sponsor.
However, these days, the scene has changed massively, we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel. Throw the sponsors into this mess, and you have bottom-end girls, who already charge high prices for not much service, thinking they're worth even more. Slightly more skilled ones are even dropping out of the straight-out PFP scene altogether, moving to chasing sponsors online.A very spot on analysis. Sad but true.
Technology disrupters have entered just about every industry. Look at taxis, hotels, food delivery, motor vehicles, book sales and movies. Why should the mongering industry be any different?
There are mongers who will always yearn for the good old days when bar fines were 100 baht, girls asked for 300 baht all night with 4 pops CIM, there were no Indians or Russians in Pattaya, when AC wasn't teaming Koreans, the bars were all rocking and there was no internet. Unfortunately, those days are gone and mongers just need to adapt. To say that the sponsors have destroyed it for everyone is a bit ridiculous. The girls now have access to technology and there is very little unemployment in the shithole countries in which we monger in. These are the only things which have changed.
If it's any consolation, the average western monger has seen his wealth dramatically rise to unprecedented levels over the past 20-years (despite the GFC). Stocks have risen, property has risen and he's probably had five promotions at work. I don't see any mongers bleating about that.Have to say I agree with Croc on this one. Yes, in many aspects of life technology has led to better service and ease. With mongering, it's the opposite. It's led to hordes of mongers who have very low expectations of the gals they take, higher prices, bad attitudes, and on and on. How do you "adapt" to that? It's like being sold a car that that has fewer features, is less technologically advanced, and performs worse than you old car for 5 times the price. And the amazing thing is that so many of the new punters are ok with this. How many times on the forum do we read, "well she didn't do what she promised but I tipped her anyway."
there is very little unemployment in the shithole countries in which we monger in. It's not just that unemployment is low, it's also that salaries have increase a lot. I'm sure a lot of mongers here would remember 15 to 20 years ago when you could pick up a nice looking regular girl on a Friday night who was just out to make some extra money because she had run out before her next payday. They would only be out for a few night a month. They would be girls from banks, insurance companies, etc. Where the pay was quite low. These days they make enough to live on and send money home.
It's not just that unemployment is low, it's also that salaries have increase a lot. I'm sure a lot of mongers here would remember 15 to 20 years ago when you could pick up a nice looking regular girl on a Friday night who was just out to make some extra money because she had run out before her next payday. They would only be out for a few night a month. They would be girls from banks, insurance companies, etc. Where the pay was quite low. These days they make enough to live on and send money home.Correct, however the rise in salaries in Thailand no where justifies the crazy increase in p4 p prices and is absolutely no excuse nor reason for the decreased performance standards or the terrible attitudes. That lies at the feet of the punters, who have become far less demanding.
Mr Enternational
03-22-19, 10:09
It's not just that unemployment is low, it's also that salaries have increase a lot. I'm sure a lot of mongers here would remember 15 to 20 years ago when you could pick up a nice looking regular girl on a Friday night who was just out to make some extra money because she had run out before her next payday. They would only be out for a few night a month. They would be girls from banks, insurance companies, etc. Where the pay was quite low. These days they make enough to live on and send money home.The other day I was at Pattaya Bazaar and ran into a chick that I know who works there. She started talking about another chick that we know in common that always goes to the discos. The disco chick had borrowed up to 10 K from the Bazaar chick and never paid it back over 2 years. The disco chick called the Bazaar chick's boyfriend and caused him to break up with her. The Bazaar chick did not want to be friends with the disco chick anymore at which time she paid her her 10 K back. We both said that was weird.
As I have always said that most hookers these days are hookers because they are lazy. The Bazaar chick goes on about how the disco chick talks about how she can make 2000 or 3000 for a short time. The Bazaar chick realizes that is not steady employment. She said she makes enough at the bazaar to pay her bills and send money back home and she has a motorbike and a car (I am thinking the former boyfriend may have helped somewhat). Meanwhile I always see the disco chick walking and hardly ever with a customer at the discos. So the disco chick spends hours on end hoping for money, while the bazaar chick is spending the same amount of time actually making money and is not complaining about anything.
Engine Driver
03-22-19, 22:42
Correct, however the rise in salaries in Thailand no where justifies the crazy increase in p4 p prices and is absolutely no excuse nor reason for the decreased performance standards or the terrible attitudes. That lies at the feet of the punters, who have become far less demanding.We also need to factor in that each day, thousands of first time mongers are coming to Thailand from China, India and Korea. The burgeoning middle class from these countries now wants to taste foreign pussy and no one is going to stop it. 20 years ago, the western monger did not encounter this problem and had free reign over the chicks.
The girls can drop their standards because the new mongers don't know what to expect and have no performance benchmark for comparison.
Sure, technology, low unemployment, higher salaries and greater competition from new mongers means the game now sucks. But so what, we just need to adapt and find our niche.
We also need to factor in that each day, thousands of first time mongers are coming to Thailand from China, India and Korea. The burgeoning middle class from these countries now wants to taste foreign pussy and no one is going to stop it. 20 years ago, the western monger did not encounter this problem and had free reign over the chicks.
The girls can drop their standards because the new mongers don't know what to expect and have no performance benchmark for comparison.
Sure, technology, low unemployment, higher salaries and greater competition from new mongers means the game now sucks. But so what, we just need to adapt and find our niche.I agree with your first paragraph. Yes, the influx of hordes of Asian first time mongers has really effected (read practically ruined) the p4 p scene for in Thailand. I remember my first trip to Nom Penh in the late 90s. Ran into a dude I had met in Bkk a few months before the first night. He literally grabbed me by my collar and said, "This is what you pay them," and proceeded to list the prices at all the venues. And added, "If you pay more you'll ruin it for all of us including yourself." He's right. Sadly the natural progression is for it to be ruined. It's inevitable and with the ease of travel and the ease of gathering information, places will lose their luster quickly. Thailand was amazing for decades. The decline happened very quickly. Mongers wanting good scenes need to choose places that are edgy and where there is very little for tourists these days. Methinks the final run for us over 50s will be a country in the north of South America once it stabilizes just a wee bit. Probably get at least a few good years where it is cheap and lots of fun.
I don't see much of a niche left to tell you the truth. Many of us have no want to spend hours on the net shifting through the chaff. Even there it's tough to find a gal that ticks all the boxes. The beauty of the scene in Thailand was its ease. Walk down Sukhumvit at night and get propositioned every 15 mtrs, go to a soapy and you'd have a hundred gals to look at, hit a pse oily and you'd have a hard time choosing, go to Thermae and it was a party every night with aggressive gals grabbing your package. That's all gone and it's not coming back. What's replaced it is less fun, harder work for the monger, and considerably more expensive. Honeslty if it were better and more expensive, we'd all be happy.
HorseTrader
03-23-19, 05:20
.... Honeslty if it were better and more expensive, we'd all be happy.For me, this is exactly true. I can only spend 7 or 8 weeks in Thailand per year and with that short of a season I don't worry much about girl money. If I pay an extra 1,000 baht per day that means my vacation costs went up by only 15%; that's not a big deal. Perhaps it is people like me who screw up the pricing for the mongers who have 365 days of access.
I don't think that money is the issue for quality. The best professional experience of my life was with an average looking Butterflies girl who only charged 2000 baht short time, but she was an excellent performer and stayed about 12 hours. I think I tipped her about 1000 baht.
Right now the stupid shit in Thailand is probably the election tomorrow.
Corruption still reigns supreme. In the province the next door neighbour say she will vote for No. 6 on the ticket, I think it's from Chuan's party or is that Aphisit's party, more comebacks? She says she got paid 300 Baht for her vote. There are even people setup to take the voters' ID details to make sure they voted for who they said they would when paid.
Naturally people who get elected have to use nefarious means to get back some of the money the invested to get elected.
PedroMorales
03-23-19, 10:21
Perhaps it is people like me who screw up the pricing for the mongers who have 365 days of access.A socialist friend of mine I set up top be a millionaire complained that in Tunisia the Germans were ruining it for everyone by tipping. This socialist millionaire would prefer folk worked for nothing. Jacking up the prices and gentrying the P4P industry does have its advantages as it weeds out the crap and brings more money in by encouraging women tourists who spend m ore. Guys just spend money on beer, flat screen TVs to watch sport and putting their penises into warm, moist places.
Expecting hookers to open up for peanut is silly when better options are now available to them as they are to us.
Right now the stupid shit in Thailand is probably the election tomorrow.
Corruption still reigns supreme. In the province the next door neighbour say she will vote for No. 6 on the ticket, I think it's from Chuan's party or is that Aphisit's party, more comebacks? She says she got paid 300 Baht for her vote. There are even people setup to take the voters' ID details to make sure they voted for who they said they would when paid.
Naturally people who get elected have to use nefarious means to get back some of the money the invested to get elected.1000 THB a household where I am.
A socialist friend of mine I set up top be a millionaire complained that in Tunisia the Germans were ruining it for everyone by tipping. This socialist millionaire would prefer folk worked for nothing. Jacking up the prices and gentrying the P4P industry does have its advantages as it weeds out the crap and brings more money in by encouraging women tourists who spend m ore. Guys just spend money on beer, flat screen TVs to watch sport and putting their penises into warm, moist places.
Expecting hookers to open up for peanut is silly when better options are now available to them as they are to us.Well, he probably did not expect people to work for nothing, Making 1 or 1. 5 k baht for 30 min to an hour of work in Thailand is quite a bit more than the 300 Baht a day min wage. Jacking up the prices has no advantages. It simply makes it "exclusive" which is exactly what folks came to Thailand to escape. Nothing worse than the "I can afford it and you can't" crowd. It's nice to have a scene everyone can enjoy. That's really the point.
For me, this is exactly true. I can only spend 7 or 8 weeks in Thailand per year and with that short of a season I don't worry much about girl money. If I pay an extra 1,000 baht per day that means my vacation costs went up by only 15%; that's not a big deal. Perhaps it is people like me who screw up the pricing for the mongers who have 365 days of access.
I don't think that money is the issue for quality. The best professional experience of my life was with an average looking Butterflies girl who only charged 2000 baht short time, but she was an excellent performer and stayed about 12 hours. I think I tipped her about 1000 baht.You get guys who are paying for an expensive Hotel, and eat in expensive restaurants, which is fine, maybe splurge money on drinks, but then want to pay very stingy for a girl. That is what I find to be a "mean" attitude. If they value the sex so much less than their room, and dinner, why take the sex at all? Seems like they just need a hole to stick the dick in. Can go get a cheap BJ at the BJ shop. Can roll the dice with street walkers. However they need not whinge about prices. Street walkers are still cheap.
Makes a lot more sense to me if guys looking for a quality room, and quality food, and paying more, also do so with taking higher quality girls, or alternatively more of them. These days I try to work to some sort of budget due to being in Thailand a lot more than 6 weeks per year. I used to spend far more. The first way to reduce spend is by eating healthy Thai food (yes its possible to find that largely vegetable based. Ignoring all the junky stuff Thais eat) and cheaply. Then stay in a very Moderately priced accommodation. Room has to have a desk to work at, and comfortable bed, and preferably not noisy, and location has to be convenient for either me or the visiting girls. Finally make private meetings with favourite girls to cut out bar fees, drinks, massage fees to management etc. , but I need a quality girl, with good looks, good fun, good performance.
The prices got a lot higher, we have to accept it, or take the desperate girls willing to go lower. The advantage of regular girls, is you don't have to bicker the price. They know I pay fairly, not always exactly the same. There can be a bonus for working them extra hard or for longer time. They are extra keen to visit me when business is low.
Do I want to pay very cheaply for a crap rushed session with a girl with a body gone bad? Or will I pay somewhat more for the girl with pretty face, good body, plenty of time no rush, fun and skills? I prefer the later. Lowest price is not everything for some of us. Even endlessly changing girls is not important to me. It is about getting the best experience for time invested for me. For some reason I can not find very plain faced girls that exciting, nor high surgeries girls, nor fat, damaged or saggy bodies. Over the years, just got used to looking at much higher quality. Not every pussy is equal too. Too me, it makes sense that girls should come for a wide range of prices. They are not all equally desirable or worth exactly the same money. A bad fuck is not worth the same as a good fuck. That obvious to me but others disagree. Some girls I would not be interested to fuck for free.
In the 80's and early 90's this place was Utopia, you could get a girl for the whole night for 500 Baht Plus BF, maybe far less in the 80's. Even my Thermae girls were wonderful. Unfortunately something went wrong, and prices took off at some period when I was not mongering. Still, cheaper countries exist, if mongering is not illegal there. Out of the city in Cambodia where girls have no English.
Seems that everyone has very different priorities, especially for how to use money.
Mr Enternational
03-24-19, 04:37
Do I want to pay very cheaply for a crap rushed session with a girl with a body gone bad? Or will I pay somewhat more for the girl with pretty face, good body, plenty of time no rush, fun and skills? I prefer the later. Why are these the only 2 options? Of course you could pay cheaply for a girl with a pretty face, good body, plenty of time, fun and skills. You could also pay somewhat more for a crap rushed session with a girl with a body gone bad. Paying more does not necessarily get you a better anything, as well as paying less does not necessarily get you a worse anything.
And besides from how she looks, there is not much of anything that can be assured before the session takes place. I remember one chick that I met on Tinder.. She had the worst fucking attitude, but once that dick went up in her it was like she was a totally different person. As soon as the dick came out, back to being the same asshole.
Unfortunately, the mongering scene in all of these countries has long been in serious and irreversible decline, and in Thailand the regular dating scene is going to shit too (relative to what it was only a few years ago). I'm 100% certain about this for Thailand and Indonesia, not closely familiar with the Philippines.
Ten years ago, when decent girls were cheap and plentiful, I would have agreed with you. An occasional sponsor might have even done us a favor overall, since the girls had something to aspire too, and would be nicer to Farang customers in hopes of maybe snagging a regular or semi-regular sponsor.
However, these days, the scene has changed massively, we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel. Throw the sponsors into this mess, and you have bottom-end girls, who already charge high prices for not much service, thinking they're worth even more. Slightly more skilled ones are even dropping out of the straight-out PFP scene altogether, moving to chasing sponsors online.In the glory years of the 80's and 90's tourism figures into don muang were only around 250,000 per annum now its 20 million so you see where they have become spoilt by too much money. In the crash of 97 I was getting over 90 bahts to the pound and st was 3-500 and even all night was a 1000 to bang them day and night. It was so good I used to see regular guys on the plane that were booking 3 plane seats for every 2 months visits. Yes scraping the barrel indeed,that's why many old timers are going elsewhere as its bad value now.
Up to 2013 my regular gals were 2000 a pop then they jacked up their rates to 5000 a pop overnight. So that led me to find other places. In the glory years it was all westerners now its tons of Russians Indians and Chinese.
Anandraj3669
03-26-19, 13:25
Hi guys,
Would be visiting Busan and Seoul for holiday.
Any suggestions for best hostess bars? And escort services? Or erotic spas and saunas in the above cities?
Anand.
Would be visiting Busan and Seoul for holiday.
Any suggestions for best hostess bars? And escort services? Or erotic spas and saunas in the above cities?Have you tried the South Korea forum?
Just did a trip to Bangkok and Pattaya and had signed up for Thai Friendly using a handle that had 'freelance' in it thinking the girls who did freelance would see it and understand what I was looking for and would respond, didn't happen. So I deleted that account and opened another using a more reasonably named handle, still not too many replies. So I upgraded to premium which put my messages to the top of their inbox and that seemed to really turn around the lack of responses. I didn't use it much in Bangkok, mainly in Pattaya and did ten girls on that site. Of those ten I'd say half of them looked as good as their photo's, the rest were acceptable and didn't get turned away but it did sour me to using it too often when Soi 6 was so close. I was with a Thai Friendly girl for several days who had over 1700 messages that she basically just ignored. She also had her LINE ID on her account for a bit and her LINE kept popping up on her phone and she'd just swipe those chats away.
I finally hit the cancel feature on Thai Friendly and even though it says you get a full refund if you cancel within 14 days I was still charged and no option came up to ask for the refund. I uninstalled the app from my phone but then changed my mind and put it back on. Since I had deleted my old account that was premium the handle that came up was the old one with 'freelance'. I hit the password and it let me log in. I then signed in on my laptop under the freelance and noticed something odd. It had transferred my premium membership to the old account. I was then allowed to change the handle again since it was listed as premium. Under my account where it lists when you were charged for your membership, first billed etc it just says: No order found. I am curious if this glitch might have given me a free premium account or if I'll be billed a second time for it. Should find out in ten days or so.
In the glory years of the 80's and 90's tourism figures into don muang were only around 250,000 per annum now its 20 million so you see where they have become spoilt by too much money. In the crash of 97 I was getting over 90 bahts to the pound and st was 3-500 and even all night was a 1000 to bang them day and night. It was so good I used to see regular guys on the plane that were booking 3 plane seats for every 2 months visits. Yes scraping the barrel indeed,that's why many old timers are going elsewhere as its bad value now.
Up to 2013 my regular gals were 2000 a pop then they jacked up their rates to 5000 a pop overnight. So that led me to find other places. In the glory years it was all westerners now its tons of Russians Indians and Chinese.Just spot on. And the more that is paid, the worse the service gets.
In the glory years guys got hitched up with Thai women and as those guys died off the Thai women got London houses worth a million or more, but that avenue will close off due to all the money hungry short timers who will never really get to know the punters on GFE expeditions. So no juicy inheritance won't be coming their way any more.
It's not just that unemployment is low, it's also that salaries have increase a lot. I'm sure a lot of mongers here would remember 15 to 20 years ago when you could pick up a nice looking regular girl on a Friday night who was just out to make some extra money because she had run out before her next payday. They would only be out for a few night a month. They would be girls from banks, insurance companies, etc. Where the pay was quite low. These days they make enough to live on and send money home.Yes the nana disco at the nana hotel was packed with normal gals who wanted to earn some extra cash and they were all mostly hot lookers. I had mates who used to fly in from Hong Kong just for the weekend at the nana as the scene was so good. But unfortunately the management of the disco started bag checks and charging so they killed it off. The waitresses in the disco used to harass the drinkers to buy more drinks and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) guys off.
These women used to stay all night for a good session and brekkers and even come back later for another session.
All history now and silly high prices being asked.
Mr Enternational
04-20-19, 21:55
In the glory years guys got hitched up with Thai women and as those guys died off the Thai women got London houses worth a million or more, but that avenue will close off due to all the money hungry short timers who will never really get to know the punters on GFE expeditions. So no juicy inheritance won't be coming their way any more.That is a 2 way street. Not many punters these days are traveling to the other side of the world to be tied down with 1 chick. I have tons of chicks that are not hookers and I don't have to give money to, yet I am not trying to settle down with one of them. And who are all these punters you claim are leaving millions of baht/dollars/pounds/euro to hookers?
That is a 2 way street. Not many punters these days are traveling to the other side of the world to be tied down with 1 chick. I have tons of chicks that are not hookers and I don't have to give money to, yet I am not trying to settle down with one of them. And who are all these punters you claim are leaving millions of baht/dollars/pounds/euro to hookers?They met up back in the glory days and built a Thai house or took them back home with them. Its all different now with the demise of the GFE market. They're more like hard hookers now in stead of easy going women who had a job in the day and did some work occasional to make ends meet. That's how different it has become now. That new punters can't appreciate.
I myself built a house in nong khai when I met this Thai women, it didn't cost much in 1997, and I gave it to my Thai daughter and her as I don't go there much now.
Cost was less than 10,000 pounds at the time.
Yes the nana disco at the nana hotel was packed with normal gals who wanted to earn some extra cash and they were all mostly hot lookers. I had mates who used to fly in from Hong Kong just for the weekend at the nana as the scene was so good. But unfortunately the management of the disco started bag checks and charging so they killed it off. The waitresses in the disco used to harass the drinkers to buy more drinks and guys off.
These women used to stay all night for a good session and brekkers and even come back later for another session.
All history now and silly high prices being asked.It was a very different time in almost every way. The only thing similar to today was you paid the gals. BKK was a much more free-wheeling city then, the atmosphere was relaxed, the vast majority of punters were from Europe or North America, and yes, like it or not this was a factor (Asian men and Western men have very different wants when it comes to P4 P, so nothing racist here, I'm just stating a fact), and almost all the gals were looking for a boyfriend and they were giving you that hard sales pitch every time they were with you. For the most part they were skinnier, sexier, and wanted to party and have a good time every night. Currently their is a photo exhibit at Smalls Bar on Suan Plu Road of gals from Qbar in the early 00's. Man, what a time. Just looking at those photos brings the difference into focus. Made me very nostalgic. The scene is simply a shadow of its former self. If you think spending hours on the internet is more fun and exciting then having countless clubs and other venues that were hopping till all hours and packed with gals, almost all of whom were on the game, then well, I just don't know what to tell you. BKK was vibrant at night, it came alive after dark; daytime was just something you had to get through before you got out there amongst it at night. From the soapies, GoGos, to the beer bars, yes, BKK had lots of beer bars in the late 90's early 00's, to the discos, to Thermae, to the street, you were just surrounded and engulfed by the "scene. " It was ever present and always a factor and around you. It was almost as if Sukhumvit Road was simply a setting for the "scene. " Do yourself a favor and get to Smalls in the next week or so to see the photo exhibit.
They met up back in the glory days and built a Thai house or took them back home with them. Its all different now with the demise of the GFE market. They're more like hard hookers now in stead of easy going women who had a job in the day and did some work occasional to make ends meet. That's how different it has become now. That new punters can't appreciate.
I myself built a house in nong khai when I met this Thai women, it didn't cost much in 1997, and I gave it to my Thai daughter and her as I don't go there much now.
Cost was less than 10,000 pounds at the time.I know so many guys who have been with their ex-P4P girlfriends and wives for nearing 20 years now. Yes, some did not work out but so many did. Now, the expectations are quite different.
Mr Enternational
04-22-19, 03:38
They met up back in the glory days and built a Thai house or took them back home with them. Its all different now with the demise of the GFE market. They're more like hard hookers now in stead of easy going women who had a job in the day and did some work occasional to make ends meet. That's how different it has become now. That new punters can't appreciate.
I myself built a house in nong khai when I met this Thai women, it didn't cost much in 1997, and I gave it to my Thai daughter and her as I don't go there much now.
Cost was less than 10,000 pounds at the time.Maybe I am just not getting it. I don't see any freaking demise. I get tons of GFE from hookers and non-hookers alike. That does not mean I am trying to build somebody a damn house or have them move in with me!
You must be one of those hopeless romantic types. Maybe it is you, because none of my friends ever complain about not being able to get GFE. I would say maybe it is your age, but I have friends of all age groups that have no problem with this. Also, money can not buy you love. So what is with this trading a house for someone to like you? I have plenty of women treating me well without me having to buy them shit.
Maybe I am just not getting it. I don't see any freaking demise. I get tons of GFE from hookers and non-hookers alike. That does not mean I am trying to build somebody a damn house or have them move in with me!
You must be one of those hopeless romantic types. Maybe it is you, because none of my friends ever complain about not being able to get GFE. I would say maybe it is your age, but I have friends of all age groups that have no problem with this. Also, money can not buy you love. So what is with this trading a house for someone to like you? I have plenty of women treating me well without me having to buy them shit.You must be like buying a side of beef online like all the new punters now. Stickmans photos shows a miserable selection of pigs with tatts and braces so you must have low standards, if not show us some of your women which you claim, where's your proof.
As I said it was so good in the 80's and 90's guys wanted to have a house there to stay in which many did you must be too hard up to build a house where you want to live for some comfort. I own houses where I want to live as I enjoy them.
Attractive women don't need to do GFE nowadays as there plenty of high paying jobs in BKK. Plus living expenses and rents mean they need a reliable source of salary to live on. Bars find it hard to find staff except skanks and pigs of low horizons. And the places where FLs used to hang out to find a long term payer no longer exist. I had really lovely women stay with me in a hotel room for days and weeks with trips down to samui and Phuket as a couple and I paid them off at the airport when I left. This used to be common among tourists and pals of mine so you got to know the women well during their stays with you. They just used to go home to change clothes every evening then come back to the hotel or I used to buy them some new clothes that they wanted to wear.
Women in BKK have gotten too well off to do GFE. Except rough old women who can't find a good paying job in an office or even 7-11 or a shoe factory.
The grace and the nana disco and thermae 1 were the major places where guys used to find some very attractive women for long periods but they no longer exists as they used too in the 90's.
Prices on smoochi are indicative of what you will pay nowadays for short timers. All spoilt by guys paying them too much cash and many have a Thai pimp boyfriend living with them so they need more cash to pay him off as well.
The market has changed big time in BKK. All deterioration over recent years. So you may as well find some better places in my opinion. All this is well known if you have read stickmans blog over the years as he has it all covered since he started his blog and Bernard trink his predecessor covered the bar scene.
Mr Enternational
04-23-19, 01:51
Attractive women don't need to do GFE nowadays as there plenty of high paying jobs in BKK.So since you are complaining it must mean you can not get a normal woman that is not a hooker? I thank the stars for attractive women that have good jobs, so I do not have to give them money! I have even been fucking hookers and once they got good jobs they said I no longer needed to give them money for fucking. But for you it means the demise of getting pussy. Sad, dude.
You must be like buying a side of beef online like all the new punters now. Stickmans photos shows a miserable selection of pigs with tatts and braces so you must have low standards, if not show us some of your women which you claim, where's your proof.What the fuck does Stickman have to do with me? I'm not about to show you pictures of chicks that I fuck for you to beat off to. I have nothing to prove to you. Why don't you show us some of your women which you claim you can not get GFE from.
Attractive women don't need to do GFE nowadays as there plenty of high paying jobs in BKK. Plus living expenses and rents mean they need a reliable source of salary to live on. Bars find it hard to find staff except skanks and pigs of low horizons. And the places where FLs used to hang out to find a long term payer no longer exist. I had really lovely women stay with me in a hotel room for days and weeks with trips down to samui and Phuket as a couple and I paid them off at the airport when I left. This used to be common among tourists and pals of mine so you got to know the women well during their stays with you. They just used to go home to change clothes every evening then come back to the hotel or I used to buy them some new clothes that they wanted to wear.
Women in BKK have gotten too well off to do GFE. Except rough old women who can't find a good paying job in an office or even 7-11 or a shoe factory.
The grace and the nana disco and thermae 1 were the major places where guys used to find some very attractive women for long periods but they no longer exists as they used too in the 90's.
Prices on smoochi are indicative of what you will pay nowadays for short timers. All spoilt by guys paying them too much cash and many have a Thai pimp boyfriend living with them so they need more cash to pay him off as well.
The market has changed big time in BKK. All deterioration over recent years. So you may as well find some better places in my opinion. All this is well known if you have read stickmans blog over the years as he has it all covered since he started his blog and Bernard trink his predecessor covered the bar scene.Agree with everything that you have said and will add, the number punters (namely Asian punters on holiday) has increased and the supply of gals has decreased. A good looking gal can call the shots and does not have to perform. The new mongers I see are not like the hardened demanding Western dudes that used to rule the scene. They are very naive guys who will pay what is asked without bargaining (just have a wander into some of the GoGos where they flash a sign in front of the dudes showing the price ST / LT fee + BF) and demand very little. They don't expect GFE or PSE from the provider. Some have very little experience with any nightlife of any kind as is seen in their behavior in clubs. Just head to some of the discos in Bangkok and on Walking Street for prime examples. Reminds me of my first middle school dance when I was 13 and the boys hung out in groups and just stared sheepishly at the gals. Syz made such a great point a couple of weeks ago. In the 80's, 90's, and early 00's, customers were almost exclusively Western with a few Japanese thrown in and for the most part the Japanese scene was separate (Soi Thaniya and a few select GoGos). Gals were more open, less "dick scared," and wanted to party and have fun because that is what the Western dudes wanted. A gal who is a bit wild and not in the least demure. With the decline in numbers of the Western punter and the rise in numbers of the Asian punter the culture of these haunts has changed as has the gals.
An average GoGo gal can make well over 50 k a month without even putting forth much effort. 100 k a month is not so hard to reach. That's a huge amount of money for a local. And if you want to look at what the top gals at Baccara are making, it'd flush you red. So we are left with the bottom of the barrel if we want either. Better job opportunities outside the P4 P realm, more punters who are less demanding, it's all added up to make a pretty dismal scene. And I don't think it will change.
MongerForSex
04-23-19, 09:55
So since you are complaining it must mean you can not get a normal woman that is not a hooker? I thank the stars for attractive women that have good jobs, so I do not have to give them money! I have even been fucking hookers and once they got good jobs they said I no longer needed to give them money for fucking. But for you it means the demise of getting pussy. Sad, dude.
What the fuck does Stickman have to do with me? I'm not about to show you pictures of chicks that I fuck for you to beat off to. I have nothing to prove to you. Why don't you show us some of your women which you claim you can not get GFE from.Now, we must be attractive to have a good job? Their job will never be as well paid as their job as a hooker unless they have a job as a businesswoman, medical professional, lawyer, politician.
They talk about attractive women, but they are really attractive for everybody? The same happens to Brazil, dudes always talk about Rio in the past, they alway say girls were more attractive. Nothing changed in Brazil when it comes to attraction but only those dudes changed. When you start mongering for the first time, you will always think about when you mongered for the first time because you was young and start having sex with girls or because you were married for a long time and just started enjoying your life because you never experienced it.
show us some of your women which you claim, where's your proof.
I'm not about to show you pictures of chicks that I fuck for you to beat off to.Whenever I read any report on girls that does not include photos, I just consider the girls to likely be dogs and disregard the report. Without photos, it didn't happen.
Now, we must be attractive to have a good job? Their job will never be as well paid as their job as a hooker unless they have a job as a businesswoman, medical professional, lawyer, politician.
They talk about attractive women, but they are really attractive for everybody? The same happens to Brazil, dudes always talk about Rio in the past, they alway say girls were more attractive. Nothing changed in Brazil when it comes to attraction but only those dudes changed. When you start mongering for the first time, you will always think about when you mongered for the first time because you was young and start having sex with girls or because you were married for a long time and just started enjoying your life because you never experienced it.Not really. Re Brazil.
For e. G. In Brazil, in Rio there was Help. You can easily divide Rio into the "Help" period / phase and the post Help phase. I also agree nothing in Thailand has come close to matching the old Thermae late at night vibe.
I remember guys in Indonesia talking about the Tanamur Disco in Jakarta. Looks like the old little street of bars in South Jakarta is now also dead. the Stadium is gone. Red Square is gone. I have heard of no place coming anywhere close to the vibe and the opportunity in those locales of old. Cuba of mid to late 90's was mind blowing and that will never ever return either.
I suppose it's a mix of good and bad. I agree social media brings increased opportunities in many ways. But a big part of me also greatly misses the good old days in such places, which will never return.
What most people fail to realize is that the "long term trend" for this "hobby" is a fairly steep descent. (for both economic and social / societal and even political reasons).
Not really. Re Brazil.
For e. G. In Brazil, in Rio there was Help. You can easily divide Rio into the "Help" period / phase and the post Help phase. I also agree nothing in Thailand has come close to matching the old Thermae late at night vibe.
I remember guys in Indonesia talking about the Tanamur Disco in Jakarta. Looks like the old little street of bars in South Jakarta is now also dead. the Stadium is gone. Red Square is gone. I have heard of no place coming anywhere close to the vibe and the opportunity in those locales of old. Cuba of mid to late 90's was mind blowing and that will never ever return either.
I suppose it's a mix of good and bad. I agree social media brings increased opportunities in many ways. But a big part of me also greatly misses the good old days in such places, which will never return.
What most people fail to realize is that the "long term trend" for this "hobby" is a fairly steep descent. (for both economic and social / societal and even political reasons).Could not agree more. The decline has been fast and steep. Last 5 years has seen venues disappear and attitudes change. Can't think of a single place in Asia that is as good or better than it was 20 years ago, for all the reasons you stated in your last sentence. Stadium was just unreal. Also the old Martini's and Sharky's in Nom Penh. Good times they were.
Could not agree more. The decline has been fast and steep. Last 5 years has seen venues disappear and attitudes change. Can't think of a single place in Asia that is as good or better than it was 20 years ago, for all the reasons you stated in your last sentence. Stadium was just unreal. Also the old Martini's and Sharky's in Nom Penh. Good times they were.I liked Tanamur better than Stadium, but both rocked. No other discos anywhere in Asia compare to those two. I think Tanamur was voted best night spot in Asia for over 10 years in a row.
Mr Enternational
04-23-19, 17:25
Whenever I read any report on girls that does not include photos, I just consider the girls to likely be dogs and disregard the report. Without photos, it didn't happen.That is ridiculous thinking. Berry is saying he can not get GFE. You are saying that because he did not post pics, then it means he actually can get GFE?
Banana Boi
04-23-19, 18:21
Whenever I read any report on girls that does not include photos, I just consider the girls to likely be dogs and disregard the report. Without photos, it didn't happen.Why do you even bother reading this board then? If we follow your logic all that everyone here writes is make believe.
Why do you even bother reading this board then? If we follow your logic all that everyone here writes is make believe.I wouldn't say that everything is make believe. There is some factual information given about places and events. However, I never trust anyone saying they were with a hottie if they do not provide photos. One man's 10 is another man's 2.
That is ridiculous thinking. Berry is saying he can not get GFE. You are saying that because he did not post pics, then it means he actually can get GFE?Naw, I'm not saying anything about Berry. I am saying you claiming that you do get GFE is meaningless as far as I can see because you aren't posting photos. Anyone can get GFE from a girl who most guys consider to be less desirable. I don't consider that something to be intriguing. If you claim the chicks are decent or even hot, that may be your view of reality, but it may or may not be reality for the rest of us.
However, if a photo accompanied the claim, then we can all come to our own conclusion based on our own perception of reality, beauty, and desirability.
I can understand people not wanting to post photos. That's fine, and of course you don't have to try to impress anyone with your photos or even stories of your prowess and conquests. I really don't care one way or the other. I have no idea if your girls are great catches or girls most guys wouldn't walk across the street for a freebie. However, I do feel it prudent to assume the girls to be dogs whenever I read any story that specifies any girl but does not include a photo. I think it's only common sense. Too many times guys on here have claimed they were with a 9, then when I find out which girl it really was, she was a 4 in my eyes. If someone is getting GFE from a 9, that's awesome. If she's a 4, that swings the pendulum 180 degrees. And of course, all of us guys have different tastes. A photo can work wonders.
However, I never trust anyone saying they were with a hottie if they do not provide photos. One man's 10 is another man's 2.I'd agree with your comment on different ratings. However, this makes the inclusion of photos as justification all the more pointless.
If someone shows his #10 who is statuesque, buxom and curvaceous, some will likely complain that she is too big.
If someone posts another who is tall, lythe with a dancer's ass, others will complain that she is titless and skinny.
Who is right?
Cheers. G.
I'd agree with your comment on different ratings. However, this makes the inclusion of photos as justification all the more pointless.
If someone shows his #10 who is statuesque, buxom and curvaceous, some will likely complain that she is too big.
If someone posts another who is tall, lythe with a dancer's ass, others will complain that she is titless and skinny.
Who is right?
Cheers. G.I only care about my own rating. But the photos definitely allow perspective.
I only care about my own rating. But the photos definitely allow perspective.Yep Real photos and clear are worth more than the ratings. Need several guys to rate a girl as top, to get any felling of the possibility she might be good, and I like to see the ratings of certain guys who taste is very similar to my own. Pics are more of a means of ruling girls out, for me, rather than anything that positive.
Fake pics only lead to disappointment.
So I know Smoothy taste is not that similar to mine. However at Least I know Smoothy likes raunchy, I like slim and pretty, less raunchy. I don't take other guys recommended girls in general. Never got a girl to keep repeating from a recommendation at all, that I can recall. We just have to know when our personal taste is different. Had to find all my girls for myself.
I find venue recommendations more useful, as a place to check out and see if anyone appeals.
I'd agree with your comment on different ratings. However, this makes the inclusion of photos as justification all the more pointless.
If someone shows his #10 who is statuesque, buxom and curvaceous, some will likely complain that she is too big.
If someone posts another who is tall, lythe with a dancer's ass, others will complain that she is titless and skinny.
Who is right?
Cheers. G.Agree. On top of which, since when do photos tell us which girls we would fuck or not given the opportunity unless the photos show extreme conditions we are certain are not for us? The vast majority in the middle can go either way depending on the circumstances.
"does not look like the photos" might be the most oft repeated refrain on these forums where public photos are accessible.
Photos can mislead as easily if not more easily as to inform. I am sure every one of us could post photos of girls where the angle, the lighting, the year taken and so on would for all the world look like a solid 8 or 9 where in person even the guy proudly posting the photo would probably take a pass on fucking her for free.
And by the same token, I'll bet we have all shown a photo of a girl to a friend that elicted near outright laughter but when that same asshole critic meets the girl in person he suddenly turns unto a stalker trying to get any information about her he can in order to contact her when you are not around.
95% of the time the only thing that matters is how the girl looks and comes across in person. Possibly, full body video clips taken in a very well lit setting yesterday might be more helpul. But even that won't be the way she will come across in person.
The same happens to Brazil, dudes always talk about Rio in the past, they alway say girls were more attractive. Nothing changed in Brazil when it comes to attraction but only those dudes changed. When you start mongering for the first time, you will always think about when you mongered for the first time because you was young and start having sex with girls or because you were married for a long time and just started enjoying your life because you never experienced it.Speaking generally you're probably right, but as far as I'm concerned I'm 100% sure that the quality of girls (by their look) in Pattaya for example has declined a lot.
My first trip there was in 1997 and I don't even remember seeing a lot of stunners, but there was a lot of slim girls looking quite cute. Then I had a long break when I couldn't go back there from 2000 until 2009. From 2009 to 2012 I could still spot many cuties in many places of the town, from 2012 until 2015 most of the girls were of very bad quality while prices went up dramatically. It's not only the way that we see them that changed, but also the place attracts a lot more girls that are not good looking at all while the cute ones are being outnumbered by far.
I liked Tanamur better than Stadium, but both rocked. No other discos anywhere in Asia compare to those two. I think Tanamur was voted best night spot in Asia for over 10 years in a row.They were in a league of their own. Never seen people partying harder than in discos in Indo back in the day. Truly amazing. The world is far more conservative than it was 20 years ago. I think late Boomers and early Gen X'rs are the most libertine folks on the planet. The Mils are very uptight with so many different things. Their attitudes about gender and sex have spayed and neutered them.
Mr Enternational
04-24-19, 10:47
Naw, I'm not saying anything about Berry. I am saying you claiming that you do get GFE is meaningless as far as I can see because you aren't posting photos. Anyone can get GFE from a girl who most guys consider to be less desirable. I don't consider that something to be intriguing. If you claim the chicks are decent or even hot, that may be your view of reality, but it may or may not be reality for the rest of us.Why would anyone go out looking for a chick that is going to be desirable to Smoothy? By that same token what Berry is saying is also meaningless because we do not know if the chicks he claimed he used to get GFE from were hotties because he posted no pictures. Maybe those chicks were dogs, and fast forward to today, not even the dogs will touch him with a 10 foot pole, so now he complains.
They were in a league of their own. Never seen people partying harder than in discos in Indo back in the day. Truly amazing. The world is far more conservative than it was 20 years ago. I think late Boomers and early Gen X'rs are the most libertine folks on the planet. The Mils are very uptight with so many different things. Their attitudes about gender and sex have spayed and neutered them.The millenials in developing countries have not been spayed and neutered by these concepts spread around in Anglophone university sphere.
Could not agree more. The decline has been fast and steep. Last 5 years has seen venues disappear and attitudes change. Can't think of a single place in Asia that is as good or better than it was 20 years ago, for all the reasons you stated in your last sentence. Stadium was just unreal. Also the old Martini's and Sharky's in Nom Penh. Good times they were.You should have been in Russia in the 90's. Insane. The Hungry Duck. Ror those who were ever there, nothing in this world will ever compare.
The millenials in developing countries have not been spayed and neutered by these concepts spread around in Anglophone university sphere.Less so, but it is happening in developing countries as well. And that trend will continue.
So I know Smoothy taste is not that similar to mine. However at Least I know Smoothy likes raunchy, I like slim and pretty, less raunchy. I do like raunchy at times! But I'm not sure you can generalize that I only like raunchy based on that one photo I posted of Ice (the wild looking tattoed and pierced girl from Crazy House). You probably forget because she wasn't as memorable as Ice, but I also posted this photo of the girl in the pink dress who you said you did like. Both girls were from Crazy House, and I liked them both, but they were quite different.
MongerForSex
04-24-19, 14:34
I do like raunchy at times! But I'm not sure you can generalize that I only like raunchy based on that one photo I posted of Ice (the wild looking tattoed and pierced girl from Crazy House). You probably forget because she wasn't as memorable as Ice, but I also posted this photo of the girl in the pink dress who you said you did like. Both girls were from Crazy House, and I liked them both, but they were quite different.I like tattoo girls with pierced pussies but it's a pity the girl doesn't look Asian. She looks Indian. Are there many Asian looking girls with pierced pussies and tattoos?
You should have been in Russia in the 90's. Insane. The Hungry Duck. Ror those who were ever there, nothing in this world will ever compare.Would have loved to have done Eastern Europe and Russia in the early 90's. Hot Czech gals for 10 USD. What an amazing time that must have been.
The millenials in developing countries have not been spayed and neutered by these concepts spread around in Anglophone university sphere.Actually what has happened in Asia is just as bad. Gals in Asia have become much more conservative in the last decade. See a lot of braless gals? Short shorts? Number of belly shirts in decline? Most gals are dressing as frumpy as can be. They strive to be "pretty" but in a very asexual and non-seductive manner. I see this with almost all Asian gals, although you do see some pretty slutty Chinese chicks now and then. Even the mode of dress in Pattaya has become tame. 15 years ago you would see gals showing a lot more skin. The "good girl" image is way more in force. Everyone wants to be Hi-so and to be seen as "classy. " Sexy and seductive is beneath them and reserved for the "poor people. ".
Would have loved to have done Eastern Europe and Russia in the early 90's. Hot Czech gals for 10 USD. What an amazing time that must have been.Luanda Angola may be a good option currently. Their currency has fallen and the girls there are hot, wild, partiers. They have black girls with a Portuguese mix and the Brazilian culture. By far the best looking girls in Africa if you ask me. I had wild times at places like Stadium and Tanamur in Jakarta, but I had some similar wild times at the night spots in Angola. They do like to party.
Crocodilexp
04-25-19, 13:30
Actually what has happened in Asia is just as bad. Gals in Asia have become much more conservative in the last decade. See a lot of braless gals? Short shorts? Number of belly shirts in decline? Most gals are dressing as frumpy as can be.
Non-PFP girls dressing more conservative is not a good trend, but it doesn't bother me too much. After investing the requisite effort (sometimes considerable), one will be naked in the bedroom anyway. The amount of effort is going up, partly because just being a Farang is not much of an immediate status boost as in the old times, but that's a different topic.
What bothers me far more is that hookers and borderline girls are much fewer in numbers. Worse yet, out of the few that remain, most have so unmistakably bottom-of-the-barrel, piece-of-trash hooker-looks with fake thick eyebrows, extensive tattos, awful nosejobs and worse boobjobs. While some punters might find it sexy, rauchy and appealing, to me it gives out an impression of trash that I not only wouldn't fuck, but feel bad being around. Case in point, Smoothy's first picture a few posts ago (no offense to Smoothy, I understand sexual attraction works in mysterious ways).
Gone are the times when a huge number of working girls I came across in Thailand were rather normal, cute, pleasant women, to the point that you could easily be surprised and delighted they were actually on the game and available for 1000 baht. They were so nice you could easily imagine spending a few pleasant hours / days / months in their company or even marrying one as some Farang did. Back then (not so long ago, just 5-10 years or so), even short times were 2-shot leisurely affairs for me. These days, even if I find someone somewhat sexy, I wouldn't want to stick around after the first pop, let alone negotiate and pay for two.
Actually what has happened in Asia is just as bad. Gals in Asia have become much more conservative in the last decade. See a lot of braless gals? Short shorts? Number of belly shirts in decline? Most gals are dressing as frumpy as can be. They strive to be "pretty" but in a very asexual and non-seductive manner. I see this with almost all Asian gals, although you do see some pretty slutty Chinese chicks now and then. Even the mode of dress in Pattaya has become tame. 15 years ago you would see gals showing a lot more skin. The "good girl" image is way more in force. Everyone wants to be Hi-so and to be seen as "classy. " Sexy and seductive is beneath them and reserved for the "poor people. ".I heard / read that this was due to pressure from the Thaksin govt. They put the clamps on old Thai "sluttiness".
Case in point, Smoothy's first picture a few posts ago (no offense to Smoothy, I understand sexual attraction works in mysterious ways).No problem. I didn't marry her. She's so unique looking, I had to fuck her. I also fucked a midget I pulled from Kiss bar soi cowboy once. She had a beautiful face and great upper torso, but those stumpy legs were a real turn off in bed so I won't do that again. I can't say I regret giving it a try though!
Mr Enternational
04-25-19, 16:21
I heard / read that this was due to pressure from the Thaksin govt. They put the clamps on old Thai "sluttiness".The funny thing is that when studying Thai history I learned that the women were damn near naked before the farang showed up and made them cover themselves. I wish you farang would make up your got damn minds. Do you want them covered or naked?
MongerForSex
04-25-19, 17:59
The funny thing is that when studying Thai history I learned that the women were damn near naked before the farang showed up and made them cover themselves. I wish you farang would make up your got damn minds. Do you want them covered or naked?I want them with sexy lingerie on.
The funny thing is that when studying Thai history I learned that the women were damn near naked before the farang showed up and made them cover themselves. I wish you farang would make up your got damn minds. Do you want them covered or naked?LOL no I'm serious. I read or heard somewhere that before Thaksin came to power the social climate in Thailand was different. Girls were super mini skirts, etc.
And then the social mores (pushed by the government) changed.
Mr Enternational
04-25-19, 23:26
LOL no I'm serious. I read or heard somewhere that before Thaksin came to power the social climate in Thailand was different. Girls were super mini skirts, etc.
And then the social mores (pushed by the government) changed.I was serious too. The Thais used to walk around the same as you see the Africans and Native Amazons in the National Geographic pictures.
"Historically, both Thai males and females dressed themselves with a loincloth wrap called chong kraben. Men wore their chong kraben to cover the waist to halfway down the thigh, while women covered the waist to well below the knee. Bare chests and bare feet were accepted as part of the Thai formal dress code, and are observed in murals, illustrated manuscripts, and early photographs up to the middle1800's.
On 15 January 1941, Plaek Pibulsonggram issued a Thai cultural mandate to modernize and Westernize Thai dress, by deeming the long-practiced customs of wearing underpants, wearing no shirt, or wearing a wraparound cloth, as forms of inappropriate public attire. ".
LOL no I'm serious. I read or heard somewhere that before Thaksin came to power the social climate in Thailand was different. Girls were super mini skirts, etc.
And then the social mores (pushed by the government) changed.I seem to even remember mid 2000's the government decreed that even the university outfits on the girls were getting a little too tailored and revealing. Those were the good old days on the sky train LOL.
Blanquiceleste
04-26-19, 01:03
Agree with everything that you have said and will add, the number punters (namely Asian punters on holiday) has increased and the supply of gals has decreased. A good looking gal can call the shots and does not have to perform. The new mongers I see are not like the hardened demanding Western dudes that used to rule the scene. They are very naive guys who will pay what is asked without bargaining (just have a wander into some of the GoGos where they flash a sign in front of the dudes showing the price ST / LT fee + BF) and demand very little. They don't expect GFE or PSE from the provider. Some have very little experience with any nightlife of any kind as is seen in their behavior in clubs. I have nothing against anyone or any race for that matter. However, I want to make an observation and invite some thoughts.
If you look at the FB page of Sapphire in Pattaya, which is acknowledged by almost everyone as a tourist trap, all you will see in their pics are white dudes getting shit-faced. So is it fair to say that the girls there who have golden pussies and princess attitudes have been spoiled rotten by the same western mongers?
The fact is the world has changed. Some folks have more disposable income than others and they choose to blow it the way they want. Some of us here don't seem to have that luxury or that will. Why complain about those who can afford it and won't flinch dropping 10 K baht a night?
I have nothing against anyone or any race for that matter. However, I want to make an observation and invite some thoughts.
If you look at the FB page of Sapphire in Pattaya, which is acknowledged by almost everyone as a tourist trap, all you will see in their pics are white dudes getting shit-faced. So is it fair to say that the girls there who have golden pussies and princess attitudes have been spoiled rotten by the same western mongers?
The fact is the world has changed. Some folks have more disposable income than others and they choose to blow it the way they want. Some of us here don't seem to have that luxury or that will. Why complain about those who can afford it and won't flinch dropping 10 K baht a night?I don't flinch at all. If she meets my style, Ill pay the 10 K and work hard at making it a longer than 30 second experience.
I don't get involved in the negotiation gig and rarely stick my tongue in the honey pot. I'm too busy. And I don't care what others do.
Anyway, how would I find a girl from ASM?
I have nothing against anyone or any race for that matter. However, I want to make an observation and invite some thoughts.
If you look at the FB page of Sapphire in Pattaya, which is acknowledged by almost everyone as a tourist trap, all you will see in their pics are white dudes getting shit-faced. So is it fair to say that the girls there who have golden pussies and princess attitudes have been spoiled rotten by the same western mongers?
The fact is the world has changed. Some folks have more disposable income than others and they choose to blow it the way they want. Some of us here don't seem to have that luxury or that will. Why complain about those who can afford it and won't flinch dropping 10 K baht a night?Why? Simple. As the prices have gone up, the service and quality has gone down. And yes, western punters tend to be more demanding as to what they want and expect from P4P gals.
I heard / read that this was due to pressure from the Thaksin govt. They put the clamps on old Thai "sluttiness".I have been here on and off since 1991 well before Thaksin. With Thaksin came a crack down on what goes on behind closed doors. Not really out in public. The crack down was for girls too young, and all the Thai Yai girls from Myanmar in the Soapy MPs, etc. Also making places close earlier instead of adult stuff ranging on till 4 am. Crack down of forcing girls to have medical exam certificates, trying to reduce STDs perhaps. I think they have reduced. I never caught anything recently.
In 1991, Thais were very demure in public, but could be very slutty hidden away. The exception would be Pattaya, where I am no expert, having only visited there twice and both times briefly. I was always told that anything goes in Pattaya where it definitely does not in public in Bangkok.
Girls on the street today in Bangkok dress far more sexy than when I first came to Thailand. Even 10 years ago, I would say the dress was still a lot more conservative. In the modern day, have girls wearing very tight leotards to show off the exact shape of their legs, ass, and maybe even camel toe pussy. Never saw that in my early days here. Girls did not want to appear to be hookers, if they were not. Thai girls were very reluctant to hold hands with a farang, and you could not kiss in public even on the cheek.
Example of slutty in 1991, hidden away in the "dirty" bars, would be going upstairs to Patpong Rose bar, and seeing a girl sitting naked with legs spread so male customer could do the full deep pussy exam with fingers stuffed in there. Or upstairs in the Kangeroo bar girls would get your pants down quickly and we would get their pants down quickly too. Multiple girls per male customer. Many wore shorts with no knickers underneath. Live sex shows were plentiful, sometimes including volunteer customers at Kangaroo bar I think. Just about anything goes. BJs and DATY in the bars, not uncommon. I would say overall their is less raunchy behaviour in bars now, other than we now have some bars with girls dancing nude and fully shaved pussy, but girls are much more sexy in public, than years ago. Influenced heavily by Korean sexy videos I think.
On a tangent:
So many Thais have visited Korea and failed to come home, that there is now starting to be a crack down. For all the Thais currently in south Korea, I don't know what percentage are working as hookers, and how many restaurants, etc. But probably mostly illegal workers.
Banana Boi
04-27-19, 12:17
So many Thais have visited Korea and failed to come home, that there is now starting to be a crack down. For all the Thais currently in south Korea, I don't know what percentage are working as hookers, and how many restaurants, etc. But probably mostly illegal workers.I know a few gogo girls who went to Korea with their Sponsors. Most have not returned but some have after the money dried up. Also know some who went to jail for a year in Korea for working in sex shops.
I know a few top looking gogo girls who went to Korea with their Sponsors. Most have not returned but some have after the money dried up. Also know some who went to jail for a year in Korea for working in sex shops.Yes you are more likely to meet these types of girls that appeal more to Koreans I guess. I simply heard that around the local Thai village, quite a number of the Issan people living there are now in South Korea. I did not dare ask what percentage were young girls. The info was most had been there for significant time and probably over stayed or were not really tourists. Definitely working for money was the intention.
It used to be possible for Thais to travel to Korea pretending to be tourists I think, as part of AEC (Asia Economic Community). They may have had to have Guarantors, I don't know. If intending to work in restaurants, guarantors might be available. Same for hookers. However now that some days, hundreds of Thais were arriving in Korea on a particular day, they are starting to not allow them in mostly, was the story I heard.
I know a few gogo girls who went to Korea with their Sponsors. Most have not returned but some have after the money dried up. Also know some who went to jail for a year in Korea for working in sex shops.I've heard of similar stories in the Philippines. One girl said the money was fantastic but she needed the help of a regular foreign customer to basically escape their clutches.
Cheers. G.
I simply heard that around the local Thai village, quite a number of the Issan people living there are now in South Korea. I did not dare ask what percentage were young girls. The info was most had been there for significant time and probably over stayed or were not really tourists. Definitely working for money was the intention.This information is correct from what you have heard from the villagers. Many Issan people are working in South Korea. The large factories regularly employ many people to assemble motor parts, smartphone hardware and farmers to work in agriculture and of course girls and katoeys to work in cough cough. Massage. I have personally met and spoke with these people. Some of the massage girls are making 50,000 THB per month for what they say is easy work. The factory and farm hands considerably less however better than the 300 THB per day they get around here.
One beauty brought her sponsor from Korea to look around the village and meet her family. He didn't get out of the van.
I know a few gogo girls who went to Korea with their Sponsors. Most have not returned but some have after the money dried up. Also know some who went to jail for a year in Korea for working in sex shops.I knew quite a few Indonesian girls who went to Japan for a few years back in the early 2000's. When they came back, they raved about the great money they made in Japan and wanted to go back there as soon as possible.
I have been here on and off since 1991 well before Thaksin. With Thaksin came a crack down on what goes on behind closed doors. Not really out in public. The crack down was for girls too young, and all the Thai Yai girls from Myanmar in the Soapy MPs, etc. Also making places close earlier instead of adult stuff ranging on till 4 am. Crack down of forcing girls to have medical exam certificates, trying to reduce STDs perhaps. I think they have reduced. I never caught anything recently.
In 1991, Thais were very demure in public, but could be very slutty hidden away. The exception would be Pattaya, where I am no expert, having only visited there twice and both times briefly. I was always told that anything goes in Pattaya where it definitely does not in public in Bangkok.
Girls on the street today in Bangkok dress far more sexy than when I first came to Thailand. Even 10 years ago, I would say the dress was still a lot more conservative. In the modern day, have girls wearing very tight leotards to show off the exact shape of their legs, ass, and maybe even camel toe pussy. Never saw that in my early days here. Girls did not want to appear to be hookers, if they were not. Thai girls were very reluctant to hold hands with a farang, and you could not kiss in public even on the cheek..I'd say that 10 years ago the dress was far sexier than it is today.
Banana Boi
04-28-19, 00:14
One beauty brought her sponsor from Korea to look around the village and meet her family. He didn't get out of the van.Too funny. Can't say I can blame him.
Luanda Angola may be a good option currently. Their currency has fallen and the girls there are hot, wild, partiers. They have black girls with a Portuguese mix and the Brazilian culture. By far the best looking girls in Africa if you ask me. I had wild times at places like Stadium and Tanamur in Jakarta, but I had some similar wild times at the night spots in Angola. They do like to party.Just not into black girls.
Non-PFP girls dressing more conservative is not a good trend, but it doesn't bother me too much. After investing the requisite effort (sometimes considerable), one will be naked in the bedroom anyway. The amount of effort is going up, partly because just being a Farang is not much of an immediate status boost as in the old times, but that's a different topic.
What bothers me far more is that hookers and borderline girls are much fewer in numbers. Worse yet, out of the few that remain, most have so unmistakably bottom-of-the-barrel, piece-of-trash hooker-looks with fake thick eyebrows, extensive tattos, awful nosejobs and worse boobjobs. While some punters might find it sexy, rauchy and appealing, to me it gives out an impression of trash that I not only wouldn't fuck, but feel bad being around. Case in point, Smoothy's first picture a few posts ago (no offense to Smoothy, I understand sexual attraction works in mysterious ways).
Gone are the times when a huge number of working girls I came across in Thailand were rather normal, cute, pleasant women, to the point that you could easily be surprised and delighted they were actually on the game and available for 1000 baht. They were so nice you could easily imagine spending a few pleasant hours / days / months in their company or even marrying one as some Farang did. Back then (not so long ago, just 5-10 years or so), even short times were 2-shot leisurely affairs for me. These days, even if I find someone somewhat sexy, I wouldn't want to stick around after the first pop, let alone negotiate and pay for two.Concur. It's getting to the point where it is almost not even worth it for me anymore. I only partake about once a month. And even then the majority of the time I think, I could have jerked off and saved the money. I really don't like choosing between old uglies who perform and young lookers who don't and expect you to pay dearly for it. Neither has become the best option most of the time.
Too funny. Can't say I can blame him.Yes LMAO. He just sat there peeping out the window. Another arrival I witnessed here was during Songkran when a girl brought her Japanese sponsor to experience the friendly locals. He at least got out and walked around a bit. I said greetings to him but he didn't appear to want to chat. It's not that bad here in the sticks in Isan, a little "National geographic" but you can work with it.
This information is correct from what you have heard from the villagers. Many Issan people are working in South Korea. The large factories regularly employ many people to assemble motor parts, smartphone hardware and farmers to work in agriculture and of course girls and katoeys to work in cough cough. Massage. I have personally met and spoke with these people. Some of the massage girls are making 50,000 THB per month for what they say is easy work. The factory and farm hands considerably less however better than the 300 THB per day they get around here.
One beauty brought her sponsor from Korea to look around the village and meet her family. He didn't get out of the van.Very Interesting.
Funny about taking the sponsor to the village. My Thai GF was never keen to have me visit the area of Bangkok where she used to live, fearing gossip, before she was really sure we were a permanent thing. So while I met her brother and daughter, was several years before meeting the village relatives, and there had never been any Farangs there in that village (nor Koreans I guess). So I am the only Farang there. The whole Amphoe does have some other Farangs, but I never met them.
Don't need any any local "Bros" at all, and have very few Farang buddies / acquaintences in Bangkok as well. I am just not a very social animal, I guess, but have significantly more female regular contacts than guys, especially if omit work contacts.
One monger buddy OS suddenly dropped me from contact, as he seemingly decided to drop monger buddies as being a bad influence, ha ha. Yet he was a much more wayward prolific big spending monger than me. No idea if he has been successful in cutting his mongering budget, or giving it up completely. I had cut back a lot before he did. He was a very stressed guy, so over eating and mongering were his releases. At first I was concerned he might have died from heart attack, however hope he is doing well now.
Hopefully most guys mongering here in Thailand are relatively stress free.
I'd say that 10 years ago the dress was far sexier than it is today.How is that? More bare legs years ago rather than very tight spandex now? Not sure I can see the more conservative dress now. I see very tight stuff now showing exactly what the great ass is like.
Right now I do see many girls dressed very demurely and others dressed hot a bit like hookers. Not sure if all the girls dressed like hookers actually are hookers or not, but I assume so if any ass cheek is hanging out of short cut off shorts, as that is just a bit too sexy for the BTS travel. I don't think we saw that 10 years ago, but maybe my memory is bad.
Very Interesting.
Funny about taking the sponsor to the village. My Thai GF was never keen to have me visit the area of Bangkok where she used to live, fearing gossip, before she was really sure we were a permanent thing. So while I met her brother and daughter, was several years before meeting the village relatives, and there had never been any Farangs there in that village (nor Koreans I guess). So I am the only Farang there. The whole Amphoe does have some other Farangs, but I never met them.
Don't need any any local "Bros" at all, and have very few Farang buddies / acquaintences in Bangkok as well. I am just not a very social animal, I guess, but have significantly more female regular contacts than guys, especially if omit work contacts.
One monger buddy OS suddenly dropped me from contact, as he seemingly decided to drop monger buddies as being a bad influence, ha ha. Yet he was a much more wayward prolific big spending monger than me. No idea if he has been successful in cutting his mongering budget, or giving it up completely. I had cut back a lot before he did. He was a very stressed guy, so over eating and mongering were his releases. At first I was concerned he might have died from heart attack, however hope he is doing well now.
Hopefully most guys mongering here in Thailand are relatively stress free.My GF is also not high on me meeting her family. Though, few days back, when she had couple of extra glasses of gin and tonic, she asked if I want to meet her parent (she was going to meet them next day). I didn't explicitly said no, but showed some hesitation, she got the hint and blurted that "she was kidding".
How is that? More bare legs years ago rather than very tight spandex now? Not sure I can see the more conservative dress now. I see very tight stuff now showing exactly what the great ass is like.
Right now I do see many girls dressed very demurely and others dressed hot a bit like hookers. Not sure if all the girls dressed like hookers actually are hookers or not, but I assume so if any ass cheek is hanging out of short cut off shorts, as that is just a bit too sexy for the BTS travel. I don't think we saw that 10 years ago, but maybe my memory is bad.Oh man, gone are the days of short tight university uniforms, gone for the most part are the days of the belly shirt, gone are the days of short shorts with a little butt teasing. Asian gals for the most part are dressing rather frumpy.
Oh man, gone are the days of short tight university uniforms, gone for the most part are the days of the belly shirt, gone are the days of short shorts with a little butt teasing. Asian gals for the most part are dressing rather frumpy.I guess I have not been mixing with Uni girls over these years (a bit old to be going for Uni girls unless they are part time hookers). Okay Was one Accountancy student studying outside Bangkok, who worked at Crazy House on some weekends to get funds needed to finance the studies so definitely could not work full time, so was seeing her arrive in plain clothes then totally nude on stage, definitely not in her school uniform. Very pretty and all natural slim, so took her no more than 10 to 20 minutes to get a customer, no problems. I think she rarely danced a full rotation on stage before being called off. I have seen a some Soapy girl hookers in their school uniforms many years ago. They were very conservative outfits, at least knee length skirts.
I have seen some short shorts with butt teasing in just this last year or two, but probably were hookers on their way to work. I was quite shocked to see it. I still am surprised by the tight hugging gym outfits these days being worn on the street leaving nothing much to the imagination. So short shorts and mini skirts are less sexy to me. I don't have the psychology to be thinking of trying to see up short skirts to see the knickers like Japanese guys. Hence I like girls to be dancing just fully nude. In bars, skirts with no knickers underneath seems very silly to me.
Not sure if their is still a lot of that, or very limited now.
I am hating the double layer bras of Coyotes, because can't see what the tits are like at all.
Just not into black girls.If you are from the USA, that's understandable. I don't like most black girls in the USA because too many are ill mannered, entitled, loud mouths. But black girls in Angola are much more charming. There are also mixed blood girls there due to the Portuguese colonization days. The women there are damn hot. Unfortunately, the city of Luanda is pretty shitty. But the beaches are excellent and rife with hotties wearing g-strings.
If you are from the USA, that's understandable. I don't like most black girls in the USA because too many are ill mannered, entitled, loud mouths. But black girls in Angola are much more charming. There are also mixed blood girls there due to the Portuguese colonization days. The women there are damn hot. Unfortunately, the city of Luanda is pretty shitty. But the beaches are excellent and rife with hotties wearing g-strings.I love hot black girls with big luscious lips, if they are pretty and not fat, especially from West Indies, Dominican Republic, South America, even some African countries like Ghana, Kenya, etc. And overall you would have to say they are better at sex than Thais. However I think we must recognise that there are guys that are strongly biased about skin colour and race since they were young, and they won't change. In Europe I meet plenty of guys that would not consider an Asian girl at all, nor a black girl. Hard to understand why. I almost would not consider a girl from my home country any more, even though I had some great young hookers there many many years ago. Just too hard to find the hot good ones.
I hardly do any black girls here in Bangkok, but that is only because the quality is not impressive. I have met some stunning half black girls that were way hotter than the white girls, e. G. Black mother and German father girls could be super stunning.
I really liked clubs with girls originating from a wide variety of countries, and Cuban semi-black girls were fabulous even if they had zero English (who cares). Used to do regularly a Uni student in Germany Kelly who came from Puerto Rico, but sounded like an American. Very amazing for deep tongue kissing. Funny accent. When she mentioned "Hidden valley Ranch Dressing" it sounded to me like "wrench Dressing" so I had no clues what she was talking about. ha ha. I don't know if "Hidden Valley" was ever heard of where I come from. Not the sort thing I would buy, most likely.
I could say I am not that into Indian girls, especially if hairy arms, however would not be true. I would easily take one if pretty enough. I once wanted to do a secretly Pakistani girl who was a stripper. I have certainly had Turkey, Uzbek, and Khazak girls, and Myanmar girls, maybe just a fluke, no Indian girls that I can recall. Maybe no Norwegian and Finnish either, but not because they were not my taste. LOL
I love hot black girls with big luscious lips, if they are pretty and not fat, especially from West Indies, Dominican Republic, South America, even some African countries like Ghana, Kenya, etc. And overall you would have to say they are better at sex than Thais. However I think we must recognise that there are guys that are strongly biased about skin colour and race since they were young, and they won't change. In Europe I meet plenty of guys that would not consider an Asian girl at all, nor a black girl. Hard to understand why. I almost would not consider a girl from my home country any more, even though I had some great young hookers there many many years ago. Just too hard to find the hot good ones.
I hardly do any black girls here in Bangkok, but that is only because the quality is not impressive. I have met some stunning half black girls that were way hotter than the white girls, e. G. Black mother and German father girls could be super stunning.
I really liked clubs with girls originating from a wide variety of countries, and Cuban semi-black girls were fabulous even if they had zero English (who cares). Used to do regularly a Uni student in Germany Kelly who came from Puerto Rico, but sounded like an American.Its all pink on the inside. Hot is hot, sometimes the colour makes it hotter.
Its all pink on the inside.I doubt many guys judge girls on the color of the inside of their pussy.
I love hot black girls with big luscious lips, if they are pretty and not fat, especially from West Indies, Dominican Republic, South America, even some African countries like Ghana, Kenya, etc. And overall you would have to say they are better at sex than Thais.
I hardly do any black girls here in Bangkok, but that is only because the quality is not impressive.It's a shame that the quality of the African providers here is so poor or lately non existent. I too like to mix it up with the occasional ebony sex machine. Some of the southern Thai girls can be very dark and really are a thing of beauty. Damn, good memories years ago in Phuket at Rock Hard. I had a session with a half Thai / African provider. She had great big black tits, a tiny wist, an African bubble butt, slightly curly hair and big dark Thai eyes. She was very black.
Its all pink on the inside. Hot is hot, sometimes the colour makes it hotter.I think the smell of a girl matters a lot more than her colour. My ex farang wife, was not the best at smelling great in the pussy region. Bad underarm smells would put me off selecting a girl for a GF these days as well. That is one thing that makes Thais so good. They can have Som Tam salad or Smokers breath (Ganja breath is not my favourite haha but makes girls hornier), Thai underarms and pussy are usually real sweet.
I would do the green girl Zoe Saldana from Guardians of the galaxy no problem, and the blue Mystique for from X-men (Rebecca Romjin. Spelling? And of course 7 of Nine. They always ensure the aliens look close enough to human. They don't give them weird horrible eyes, mouths, and noses. The point is though, that the colour of the skin does not matter, and Borg face shrapnel / decoration does not detract that much. Its a bit similar to tats and piercings.
So think the shape, curve, softness, firmness, bounciness of the important features of a girl, face and body, are what matters, not her colouration so much. Hair colour again could be anything at all, pink, green, white, I don't care that much. My GF tried to do a funky hair colour for Songkran. Turned out a bit different to what she intended. Ha ha.
Even have to agree with Goat on one thing. Unshaved pussy definitely attracts negative points when evaluating a girl, longer pussy hair even worse. Bald pussy is much nicer. The more body hair on a girl overall (other than on the head), the less I like it. Smooth nude is the go.
Colour inside the pussy not important, but girls with exceptionally pretty pussy definitely get significant bonus points. One of my regular bargirls has pussy not that tight but extremely perfect looking pretty pussy, so hard to give her up. Messy layout pussy attracts negative points. No clues if girls evaluate dick appearance or not, however know very well some girls like small and some like larger. Again I think very clean dick that smells good has to be important.
I would do the green girl Zoe Saldana from Guardians of the galaxy no problem, and the blue Mystique for from X-men (Rebecca Romjin. Spelling? And of course 7 of Nine. They always ensure the aliens look close enough to human. They don't give them weird horrible eyes, mouths, and noses. The point is though, that the colour of the skin does not matter, and Borg face shrapnel / decoration does not detract that much. Bald pussy is much nicer. Messy layout pussy attracts negative points.All those Aliens you mention are very doable. Messy pussy layout (MPL?) is a winner for me. I just can't get enough of the Hope Solo rare beef type of pussies. I haven't encountered too many MPL's of that level on Thai women.
and the blue Mystique for from X-men (Rebecca Romjin. Spelling? It's Rebecca Romijn. You switched the i and the j, which is understandable if you're not Dutch. (Romijn is a Dutch name.)
It's Rebecca Romijn. You switched the i and the j, which is understandable if you're not Dutch. (Romijn is a Dutch name.)Fancy giving away that I am not Dutch. Ha ha. However I have been to Nederlands a few times so I ought to have seen the 'ij' spelling in words enough times. Always amazed at how gutterally words had to be pronounced so taxi driver would understand the destination.
I did not want to see Rebecca replaced as Mystique in X-men but I guess she got a bit older. I don't really have the hots for the new one Jennifer Lawrence.
Once asked a Dutch guy, how come you call "orange Juice", "Sinaasappel juice" (I mean funny really like "Sin-ass-apple" what has it got to do with apples?" he quickly came back: "Yeh what have Pineapples got to do with apples as well?" he had a good point there.
I think of tits as like coconuts, if convex enhancements, and as like Papayas if a bit saggy.
All those Aliens you mention are very doable. Messy pussy layout (MPL?) is a winner for me. I just can't get enough of the Hope Solo rare beef type of pussies. I haven't encountered too many MPL's of that level on Thai women.Personally I have never heard of Hope Solo but perhaps Americans will understand what that is about. Never seen the Abbrev MPL either, but for sure I am not into that. Neat pretty pussies for me. Tiny clit can be a problem for DATY, trying to stay on it, so I prefer at least average size.
Personally I have never heard of Hope Solo.A simple good search on hope solo pussy, and you will learn easily enough. Raunchiest ragged out pussy I've ever seen.
If I can't remember their names and faces, I doubt I will remember their pussies.
My dick ain't got eyes.
Banana Boi
04-30-19, 12:22
A simple good search on hope solo pussy, and you will learn easily enough. Raunchiest ragged out pussy I've ever seen.OMG that's nasty. Total opposite of what I like. I like clean pussies with zero meat.
Once asked a Dutch guy, how come you call "orange Juice", "Sinaasappel juice" (I mean funny really like "Sin-ass-apple" what has it got to do with apples?" he quickly came back: "Yeh what have Pineapples got to do with apples as well?" he had a good point there. Why is it called 'orange juice' in English, referring to the color instead of the fruit? An orange colored juice could be anything LOL.
But seriously, I have looked it up and 'Sinaasappel' was originally 'China's appel', because they were coming from China. Over the years 'China' degenerated to 'Sinaas', which sounds similar in Dutch.
However I don't know where the 'appel' part comes from. Maybe just because they have the shape of an apple?
A simple good search on hope solo pussy, and you will learn easily enough. Raunchiest ragged out pussy I've ever seen.I searched Hope Solo only without pussy and got American female soccer goalkeeper. Did not look any further. Actually I am not even curious enough to see the nasty pussy. I am sure I would not be impressed.
Actually one of my regulars has bigger pussy lips than I would like, but I have to ignore it. At least cannot fall off the bigger than average clit. Other regulars have very pretty pussy to make up for it.
I hate ugly porno pics so much, that I generally stay out of the photo gallery thread here and careful only to do pretty porn, no nasty stuff.
My new girl last night, not only had a great taunt ass, but also amazingly pretty pussy. She may have noticed gazing at her pussy during the fuck more then her face. I did tell her that her pussy was outstandingly nice a few times. She was all natural, with main body negative being small tits with sag. I ignored the tits mostly but lying down, you don't notice the sag so much.
Finished in prone fucking which gave me great view of the ass and pussy and a great feel (tits not in view at all). She would turn her head so could still tongue kiss. Now if a girl had a crappy ass, I would do a different position to not look at it so much. If she had messy pussy, I would choose positions to hide it likely.
When choosing girls from a nudie bar, there is no need to select a messy pussy girl, nor girls with any other off-putting features. I like nudie bars a lot for these reasons. Girls that are not nude maybe hiding something. When no girl is perfection from head to toe, we compromise. My most usual compromise will be on how good the tits are. Big or small can be O.K. I will even take surgeries girls if is a good subtle job. Not keen on large scale piercings, but minor piercings and even tongue piercings are O.K. Almost any colour girls and tats have to be tolerated.
Girls that are not nude maybe hiding something.Sure, it could be a surprise, killer body.
For me, unwrapping is half the fun. As they say, life is like a box of chocolates and I've been lucky to get more strawberry coconut than inedible hard centers. My fine sense of braille limits the number of times I'm too disappointed. 😎.
Enjoy. G.
Sure, it could be a surprise, killer body.
For me, unwrapping is half the fun. As they say, life is like a box of chocolates and I've been lucky to get more strawberry coconut than inedible hard centers. My fine sense of braille limits the number of times I'm too disappointed. 😎.
Enjoy. G.I am thinking your message is like, if they are over dressed, a bit of grouping may not go amiss. In bars I would want to pull Coyote girls bras aside to really see the tits underneath. Some of these bras are so hard and so stuffed that feeling the outside would not really work. Really not enough girls have really great bodies for me to use the box of chocolates approach. However I did get extremely lucky with recent MP girl who had tits well covered.
I searched Hope Solo only without pussy and got American female soccer goalkeeper. Did not look any further. Actually I am not even curious enough to see the nasty pussy. I am sure I would not be impressed.If you've ever seen a video of a girl's pussy that has been double fisted on a daily basis, or have had a bowling ball shoved up her pussy, their pussy will look similar.
If you've ever seen a video of a girl's pussy that has been double fisted on a daily basis, or have had a bowling ball shoved up her pussy, their pussy will look similar.That's not quite English, so I have to guess: "similar ".... to each other or to Hope Solo nasty pussy, or extremely wide gaping one? Anyway, I am sure I don't need to see any of these things.
I assume bowling ball is a slight exaggeration, ha ha. I like moderately tight squeezing pussy (not too narrow from doctor stitching it up) but relatively straight and long without too severe uterus cervix obstruction since it is typically only 4 inches in (finger reachable).
Have met one or two girls with absolutely cavenous pussy inside with dick flopping around in there lucky to feel the walls of pussy at all. That does not make for a good fuck. Maybe those girls would have to offer tighter ass. One of these girls was in Bacarra, so I could not imagine she would get repeat Asian customers, maybe only giant dick customers. If pussy grips one's skinny finger quite nicely, that is a good sign. I like to put a finger in deep to check no foam "Luuk jiap" (fluffy chick) obstructions. I hate fucking a piece of foam just 4 inches in, or trying to. The feel is just not right. I always ask girls to remove such obstructions. All too common. Happens maybe 10% of girls tried. I guess it would not matter for a 3 inch dick.
I guess it would not matter for a 3 inch dick.Maybe that's why I've never noticed it.
CzarNicholas
07-06-19, 23:28
Makes perfect sense. Only people that are not getting sex regularly think it is really good to be getting off all the time. If you have to fuck for a living who wants to (or even can) be getting off 5 times a day. It ain't as fun when you have to do it for a job. That is why I laugh when I read reports saying she was really in to it.I love to cycle.
I was in a new bike shop I found the other day, and was chatting with the owner.
I was saying woww you "have it made" you love bikes and get to work with them all day etc etc etc.
He said hahaha, it ruined his hobby, now bikes are work and he has to find other things to do for pleasure!
http://www.bangkokeyes.com/
Read the history of BKK bars in this months issue.
MongerForSex
07-16-19, 21:32
Let's move the lady boy topic here. The pattaya thread is bombarded by ladyboys. LOL Let's talk about shit here.
Let's move the lady boy topic here. The pattaya thread is bombarded by ladyboys. LOL Let's talk about shit here.LOL you my friend are a mind reader.
Man that was post of the year. I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard and will put it in ROD. Only problem I see is that you should have put you read instead of you learned, because a lot of the info was either incorrect or outdated.I agree. I wish I had said "I read" instead of "I learned" because I really did not learn much from the postings.
I tried to be sarcastic enough to let the reader know that it was done a bit tongue in cheek.
There are 3 or 4 people that post good reports and good information and the rest is just trolling and in-fighting which drags the boards down.
Cheers!
MongerForSex
07-24-19, 07:14
I agree. I wish I had said "I read" instead of "I learned" because I really did not learn much from the postings.
I tried to be sarcastic enough to let the reader know that it was done a bit tongue in cheek.
There are 3 or 4 people that post good reports and good information and the rest is just trolling and in-fighting which drags the boards down.
Cheers!Are you a troller or one of the 4 people?
Franciscass
07-24-19, 07:42
I agree. I wish I had said "I read" instead of "I learned" because I really did not learn much from the postings.
I tried to be sarcastic enough to let the reader know that it was done a bit tongue in cheek.
There are 3 or 4 people that post good reports and good information and the rest is just trolling and in-fighting which drags the boards down.
Cheers!Self confessed sarcastic tongue in cheek troller here. I'm confused Linyio,(I know, nothing new there) , but if you did not t learn much from the postings what was the purpose of your post. Just to let everybody know you had been reading the forum and getting lots of details on the Pattaya scene ass ways and confusing people. I always read up on where I'm going but the idea of summarizing what I read or learned and posting it on that country's thread makes absolutely no sense. Well intentioned maybe but possibly better you wait check it out for yourself and then give your in real time impressions.
Cheers.
Hello forum,
I am reaching Pattaya on 19th, and I am a first time traveller to Thailand. I am staying at Soi 8, and intend to have some fantastic time.
I request seniors to help me about the places where I can find sex. I intend to have soapy massage at one the MPs and also take one girl to my room. Also let me know the prevailing rates.
Thank you.Maybe start by changing your handle to NotSoSmartBoyMgg?
Rtff, cheers.
I am planning my next trip as a visit to Asia, specifically to Pattaya. Being the responsible monger I am I read back the forum from October of 2018, roughly 130 pages.
... to the girl for sex.Every once in a while, one fires up the browser, logs into ISSG and stumbles upon an original contribution!
After wiping the tears from my eyes, all one can do is acknowledge Gracias, Linyjo!
Hope I don't miss reading your trip report!
I have 50 more pages to go, which I am sure will only add to my wealth of wisdom.Please continue with the 'Stupid shit in Thailand' thread. Looking forward to hearing from you what you've learned there.
MongerForSex
07-24-19, 13:12
Please continue with the 'Stupid shit in Thailand' thread. Looking forward to hearing from you what you've learned there.That's the right thread for people no trolling. There is no troller there, only good and informative posts.
I'm confused Linyio,(I know, nothing new there) , but if you did not t learn much from the postings what was the purpose of your post. Let me try to clear up your confusion. The point of the post was to summarize what I read over all those pages into small data bytes that are easy to read and understand. Like the Cliff notes of the forum.
Just to let everybody know you had been reading the forum and getting lots of details on the Pattaya scene ass ways and confusing people.I am not sure why anyone would be confused by a summary of other peoples advice and experience.
I always read up on where I'm going but the idea of summarizing what I read or learned and posting it on that country's thread makes absolutely no sense. To me, contributing to the board and future mongers makes perfect sense. Provide them with the cliff notes of the last 130 pages and share the information from the boards in a simple way all in one posting.
Well intentioned maybe but possibly better you wait check it out for yourself and then give your in real time impressions.I will add my impressions after I visit but that does not discount or invalidate the information already provided by others. My summary was of other peoples musings, I will add my own when I post my trip reports.
Every once in a while, one fires up the browser, logs into ISSG and stumbles upon an original contribution!
After wiping the tears from my eyes, all one can do is acknowledge Gracias, Linyjo!
Hope I don't miss reading your trip report!Thanks man. Nice to know someone appreciated reading my summary. I will definitely add my experiences when / if I make it there.
Cheers Bro.
Franciscass
08-02-19, 14:13
Let me try to clear up your confusion. The point of the post was to summarize what I read over all those pages into small data bytes that are easy to read and understand. Like the Cliff notes of the forum.
I am not sure why anyone would be confused by a summary of other peoples advice and experience.
To me, contributing to the board and future mongers makes perfect sense. Provide them with the cliff notes of the last 130 pages and share the information from the boards in a simple way all in one posting.
I will add my impressions after I visit but that does not discount or invalidate the information already provided by others. My summary was of other peoples musings, I will add my own when I post my trip reports.I still find it exceedingly odd but you do have your fans Linyio so perhaps there was some merit to your summation of 130 pages which I imagine took some time and effort.
Thanks man. Nice to know someone appreciated reading my summary. I will definitely add my experiences when / if I make it there.
Cheers Bro.What you wrote looked like a very good summary, and I even got a chuckle or two, without me reading the whole thing (I was busy on other things). Could be very valuable to newbies, in particular.
Now instead of saying, "Read the Fucking Forum", we can refer guys to your post to read.
Many guys just post a lot of shit with zero useful information. Then there are the smart asses. The better your post, the more there will be knockers, who possibly never or rarely posted anything useful. There will always be shit dumpers, on the forum, really negative types. Treat it as praise that you got their attention. I am amazed that posters that think sarcasm is actually funny, since it requires so much talent to make sarcastic remarks (whoops I was sarcastic myself).
Being new to the forum, you are seen as fair game. Guys don't like it if new posters start showing them up.
Unbelievably, I think the Thailand forum has improved. It was significantly more negative a few years back, but some guys left.
I often wonder what motivates the shit dumpers, if they are not disagreeing with your points. Jealous of the attention your post got. Not many posts are important and get a lot of interested readers.
I hope your own experiences will make as good reading. Always things to be learned from our experiences, I just wish I could refrain from making the same mistakes again.
What you wrote looked like a very good summary, and I even got a chuckle or two, without me reading the whole thing (I was busy on other things). Could be very valuable to newbies, in particular.
Now instead of saying, "Read the Fucking Forum", we can refer guys to your post to read.
Many guys just post a lot of shit with zero useful information. Then there are the smart asses. The better your post, the more there will be knockers, who possibly never or rarely posted anything useful. There will always be shit dumpers, on the forum, really negative types. Treat it as praise that you got their attention. I am amazed that posters that think sarcasm is actually funny, since it requires so much talent to make sarcastic remarks (whoops I was sarcastic myself).
Being new to the forum, you are seen as fair game. Guys don't like it if new posters start showing them up.
Unbelievably, I think the Thailand forum has improved. It was significantly more negative a few years back, but some guys left..Very well said about the posers and trolls. I agree with you and noticed the same thing. In fact, I noted it in my first summary how useless a lot of the commenters are. They just want to stir shit, because they are either bored or jealous.
I think it's obvious that some members are commercial and have an agenda. Driving conversation towards certain places and dumping on other places. They also troll members they see as a threat or those in opposition to their opinions.
As far as being the new guy, I am new to the Thailand thread but not to the boards. My first post was in 2015 and I was a long time lurker before that, so I'm well versed in the trolls and the shit stirring malcontents. I usually just take the high road and ignore them as my time and effort is worth more than that.
PedroMorales
01-01-20, 14:12
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7842273/British-man-50-killed-trying-light-firework-Thailand-New-Years-Eve.html
These fireworks are aimed at kids who don't have a lot of baht. I have met several missing arms from "accidents". Do not have anything to do with them. If you see people with them, walk away quickly. They are lethal.
Although I could write a hundred quips here, sarcasm does not look well on a tomb stone.
Although I could write a hundred quips here, sarcasm does not look well on a tomb stone.Someone close to me in Thailand once injured a kid's eardrum with a fireworks explosion, totally accidental but sickening. Dangerous stuff to be avoided if possible.
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