Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand [Archive] - Page 7

LittleBigMan

09-06-21, 02:09

Shit like the same damn price these days! You don't come away from there without having spent $10. When I was at the university I would eat lunch there everyday. 2 tacos for 49 cent each and I would bring my own cup to steal from the self-serve drink fountain.Being from the hood, there was no TB, it wasn't until someone in the group got a car that we were able to travel outside 20 minutes out then it was 19 cents for one Taco next door McDonalds 25 cents for a burger only take out, those were the days?

With the price of space, TB is paying I can see why the price but aside from the pre-pack sauce I could never figure out why a Taco is so high, labor is cheap? I've had many tacos in form styles, places and they all range in 2 buck range. Sadly the most convenient and best priced Mexican meal Tequila Reef the new location is gone for good.

Explorer8939

09-06-21, 03:53

Being from the hood, there was no TB, it wasn't until someone in the group got a car that we were able to travel outside 20 minutes out then it was 19 cents for one Taco next door McDonalds 25 cents for a burger only take out, those were the days?

With the price of space, TB is paying I can see why the price but aside from the pre-pack sauce I could never figure out why a Taco is so high, labor is cheap? I've had many tacos in form styles, places and they all range in 2 buck range. Sadly the most convenient and best priced Mexican meal Tequila Reef the new location is gone for good.Yep, I was a big Tequila Reef fan.

If I am craving Mexican food, I go to the Azul restaurant in the Zona Norte, Tijuana, but it's very far from Pattaya. So, I bought some alleged Mexican salsa at the supermarket and maybe I can make some tacos.

ErsatzJulian

09-06-21, 08:33

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/

Here is an article (peer reviewed for the comatose NYT readers) on Ivermectin. I can see a million flaws with the article but hey I read the Daily Mail and bang hookers.It is a meta-data analysis which means that while suggestive, it is not something anyone rational person would pin their health decision. And if you see a millions flaws for it, why offer it up as evidence as your thinking that Ivermectin is a treatment for COVID. Just stick to the medical consensus.

PedroMorales

09-07-21, 08:16

It is a meta-data analysis which means that while suggestive, it is not something anyone rational person would pin their health decision. And if you see a millions flaws for it, why offer it up as evidence as your thinking that Ivermectin is a treatment for COVID. Just stick to the medical consensus.https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout/article_e3db8f46-f942-11eb-9eea-77d5e2519364.html?fbclid=IwAR3VsJiagcDecNC97GAN19sn3E-zaUuUk2iPHVbg7f9QQ7XDinx-FRobgP4

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

A few weeks ago, our TV cameras had shocking videos from India of poor folk dropping dead. Real Biblical plague stuff, just like the earlier snuff stuff from China, which seems to have been faked. Now no more. Some say it is due to Ivermectin which Big Pharma / Gates seem to hate https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

I was told separately that was the case. Anyway, Indian snuff rates seem to be well below Thailand and the Brothel State of Ukraine. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

Have a look at Israel's figures. Were they just given a placebo?

I have concluded nothing, except that a lot of government advisors have got very rich out of this. I post stuff here to see what others think on the long shot light might emerge. We live in hope.

NiteRiderCal

09-16-21, 03:38

Downandup

09-16-21, 08:18

But what is the harm? Ivermectin is exceptionally safe, like taking a baby aspirin.Ivermectin is great to treat parasitic worms, good to hear that it's helped you. There's no evidence whatsoever that it does anything for Covid.

Paolo99

09-16-21, 20:11

Let's see if some members who always try to pump their stocks of Pfizer and Mode-rna on this site are going to call him paranoid or say that he cannot properly read a medical study, or that science is on the side of universal covid vaccine.

Here is a well known scientist explaining everything about covid19, vaccines and pharmaceutical's interests.

I thought it's a very informative interview for anyone wanting to understand what's going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg

NiteRiderCal

09-16-21, 22:38

Ivermectin is great to treat parasitic worms, good to hear that it's helped you. There's no evidence whatsoever that it does anything for Covid.Wrong! There is a lot evident. The evident is not gold standard and not definitive. Never the less, there is a ton of evident that it do work for covid. There is also a few evident that it does not work for covid, those study is also not definitive.

Some of the current study on ivermectin, like the one from Duke are designed to fail and when it does fail, it will not change anything. We need a study that is design to fairly test if it work or not.

Explorer8939

09-17-21, 05:23

Pretty soon you are going to have to be vaccinated to enter Thailand so all this discussion about Ivermectin is moot.

Member #4753

09-17-21, 11:15

Pretty soon you are going to have to be vaccinated to enter Thailand so all this discussion about Ivermectin is moot.Pretty sure you will need to be fully vaccinated to enter most countries in 2022.

NicFrenchy

09-17-21, 13:40

Long but very interesting about immunity.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/waning-immunity-not-crisis-right-now/619965/

PedroMorales

09-17-21, 15:30

Long but very interesting about immunity.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/waning-immunity-not-crisis-right-now/619965/Thanks for the post. If you wonder who pays for it, you will see an owner of Johnson & Johnson, maker of the vaccines (sic), mentioned at the bottom of the article. Please check out the video below for a different and perhaps more informed approach. As for me, I cashed in all my US $ and other Forex (though I still have plenty in various bank accounts). For me, SE Asia is over. I pity all the vagabonds in Pattaya but they are in my prayers, as they are in the day dreams of spammers. I see the curtains coming down all over the world and I can't see them being lifted again in my life time. The world has gone mad to prop up Big Pharma's stock price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg

Mr Enternational

09-17-21, 16:25

For me, SE Asia is over. I pity all the vagabonds in Pattaya but they are in my prayers, as they are in the day dreams of spammers. I see the curtains coming down all over the world and I can't see them being lifted again in my life time.Instead of being so bleak, you should look to new horizons. There are great times being had in South America and the Caribbean. I am still paying rent in Pattaya, but I am in no hurry to get back there. There are other shows in town to be enjoyed.

PedroMorales

09-17-21, 18:19

Instead of being so bleak, you should look to new horizons. There are great times being had in South America and the Caribbean. I am still paying rent in Pattaya, but I am in no hurry to get back there. There are other shows in town to be enjoyed.Thanks for the tip but it is too much hassle and that hassle will only grow. I follow a brave Dutch chick on Youtube who motorbikes around Africa. Braver and more adventurous than me. As well as being a looker, she is so organized. But I am not going into within 20 metres of lions. SE Asia was good for non stop sessions with LBFMs but, for me, it is over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhAlrrPPAxE

Crocodilexp

09-18-21, 22:44

For me, SE Asia is over. I pity all the vagabonds in Pattaya but they are in my prayers, as they are in the day dreams of spammers. I see the curtains coming down all over the world and I can't see them being lifted again in my life time.This is awfully pessimistic, but you're not fundamentally wrong. Travel restrictions are going to be relaxed at a glacial pace, and the world might not get back to where it was in 2019 for a long, long time. Even now, most of us can go somewhere, sometimes with somewhat bearable conditions (like a PCR test), but the age of just a few clicks to book and hopping on a plane to virtually anywhere without a worry if you'll be able to move onward are over.

When it comes to mongering, the supply of girls in Thailand has thinned out considerably between 2010 and 2019, to the point that it was already a shadow of its former self. After the pandemic, it will not go back to the 2019 levels, and plenty of girls will be turned off by the health risks.

Some cultures tend to mostly ignore Covid despite the death toll, but Thailand isn't among them, they developed a massive paranoia surrounding the disease, although they got out relatively lightly so far. If the HIV scare put a damper on our hobby in Thailand, Covid will be 100 x worse, since effects are immediate, you can easily transmit it to family, and protection way more difficult. The authorities won't be too eager to support the naughty nightlife scene re-building (we're well beyond re-opening now, most venues are gone) and might use the opportunity to kill off most of it for good.

PedroMorales

09-19-21, 09:17

This is awfully pessimistic, but you're not fundamentally wrong. Travel restrictions are going to be relaxed at a glacial pace, and the world might not get back to where it was in 2019 for a long, long time. Even now, most of us can go somewhere, sometimes with somewhat bearable conditions (like a PCR test), but the age of just a few clicks to book and hopping on a plane to virtually anywhere without a worry if you'll be able to move onward are over.

When it comes to mongering, the supply of girls in Thailand has thinned out considerably between 2010 and 2019, to the point that it was already a shadow of its former self. After the pandemic, it will not go back to the 2019 levels, and plenty of girls will be turned off by the health risks.

Some cultures tend to mostly ignore Covid despite the death toll, but Thailand isn't among them, they developed a massive paranoia surrounding the disease, although they got out relatively lightly so far. If the HIV scare put a damper on our hobby in Thailand, Covid will be 100 x worse, since effects are immediate, you can easily transmit it to family, and protection way more difficult. The authorities won't be too eager to support the naughty nightlife scene re-building (we're well beyond re-opening now, most venues are gone) and might use the opportunity to kill off most of it for good.Even (especially?) in Europe, there is too much demand to show an array of papers. Countries are moved from green to red and back again in a blink, sinking any hope of making plans. I am off on my travels in a few days. I checked requirements countless times but I have only discovered I need another Covid test and another paper. There is a bigger game afoot here and we are all the collateral damage.

Your post is good. Check out the Philippines pages. Pathetic pictures of pussies, growth "models" that would warrant a straight fail in any school and endless links without context. The Dutch chick I follow has a purpose, as all travel should.

I watch Pattaya videos. Wall to wall vagabonds and Thai and farang tear assing on walks up and down the promenade like they are prisoners let out for an hour or so.

When the tourist dust settles, SE Asia will be well dowen the big boys' list, fighting for tourist crumb with the lockdown paradise of Australia.

If a newer model emerges, it will not be for God fearing mongers like us but more for the packaged tour top dollar lot. The freedom and anarchy are gone.

Vendelo

09-26-21, 08:20

When it comes to mongering, the supply of girls in Thailand has thinned out considerably between 2010 and 2019, to the point that it was already a shadow of its former self. After the pandemic, it will not go back to the 2019 levels, and plenty of girls will be turned off by the health risks.
You are a qualified person to ask the following question. Before I ask, I first joined TF around 2015 and was amazed at the quantity of beautiful women. But my first trip was to BKK in 2017 and then three trips to Phuket in 2019. I noticed in 2019 that the quantity of beautiful women on TF decreased tremendously compared to my experience in 2015. Any idea what is the cause?

Crocodilexp

09-26-21, 23:31

You are a qualified person to ask the following question. Before I ask, I first joined TF around 2015 and was amazed at the quantity of beautiful women. But my first trip was to BKK in 2017 and then three trips to Phuket in 2019. I noticed in 2019 that the quantity of beautiful women on TF decreased tremendously compared to my experience in 2015. Any idea what is the cause?For me, TF was at its peak (for regular girls, not PFP) around 2010-2013 and declined afterwards, slowly but noticeably.

No idea about the reasons, I can only speculate. Perhaps it has to do with demographics, average age in Thailand rose from 35 in 2010 to 40 in 2020, so there are fewer young women. For me, 40 is when the good and cuteness looks of most Thai women decline, although there are exceptions.

Farang tend to be less popular among younger Thais as well. Once upon a time each one of us was assumed to be rich and a potential great catch, even the older folks without much going for them. Now it's more of "meh, maybe".

Last, but not least, I hate the 3 trends of thick drawn-on eyebrows, tattoos or fake noses. Most Thai women on TF have at least one these days. When it comes to Thai women, I always loved the simple, sweet, and friendly vibe. They were never too good at the sex-bomb, 100% dolled up, hot high-maintenance kind of style, it ends up fake and ugly. The 3 trends kill their key strength. Maybe someone prefers this new look, but it's not for me.

Among normal girls online, the eagerness to jump in bed has declined as well. It's not exactly hard (compared to the west), but I feel that since about 2014 I had to "work for it" more than before, and a higher percentage of contacts or fist dates don't go anywhere.

Don't get me wrong, TF is still a goldmine, relative to any dating sites in the west.

NicFrenchy

09-27-21, 03:29

You are a qualified person to ask the following question. Before I ask, I first joined TF around 2015 and was amazed at the quantity of beautiful women. But my first trip was to BKK in 2017 and then three trips to Phuket in 2019. I noticed in 2019 that the quantity of beautiful women on TF decreased tremendously compared to my experience in 2015. Any idea what is the cause?I can answer that one.

Thaifriendly is probably now the least popular of the dating sites (doesn't mean it's bad), followed by Thaicupid (which some girls like because you need to pay to access / respond so it weeds out the cheapstakes).

It's all been replaced by the god-of-all apps = Tinder.

It's full of young pretty girls but most are either looking for P4 P or young guys. I do pretty well but it's a long game and tourists have very low chances to score these coffe-shop hoppers, instagram young junkies.

I've been doing a few of them but they're really not my type, they treat you like a glorified photographer and they're not the best in the sack either.

Some young girls just as soon as you match, ask for your LINE (a must for communication) and send you 20 nudes with the caption: 2,000 thb for 2 hours and 1 shot.

I tend to ignore anything below 27 28, that way I get girls that are fairly serious about wanting to just hook-up, can hold somewhat of a conversation and are more fun in bed (if it gets there).

Many of these girls have been burned before, one-night-stands, Friends with benefits, stock investments. They are wary of guys so it takes a bit longer to get them on your side of the fence, but it's possible.

If you're looking for a little less stunning girls, badoo is worth a try, I have pulled a few girls from there and all ended up in bed without a lot of convincing. Just need to be treated with respect.

I stick to my few rotation of girls now and a bit out the dating app game, but I'm sure you can find what you're looking for in Tinder.

One word of advice, I bought their premium for one week and it was the biggest waste, girls they say were interested in you were not really and it's all made to look like there's lots of girls that like you but you can't see them unless you pay.

You can fare just as well with the free option: have an interesting profile name, good photos, fun photos and an interesting Bio. Fun photos are the most crucial, it shows the girls there can be a good time to be had with you. And Sanook is what these girls love.

Houston Player

09-27-21, 05:53

I can answer that one.

Thaifriendly is probably now the least popular of the dating sites (doesn't mean it's bad), followed by Thaicupid (which some girls like because you need to pay to access / respond so it weeds out the cheapstakes).

It's all been replaced by the god-of-all apps = Tinder.

It's full of young pretty girls but most are either looking for P4 P or young guys. I do pretty well but it's a long game and tourists have very low chances to score these coffe-shop hoppers, instagram young junkies.

I've been doing a few of them but they're really not my type, they treat you like a glorified photographer and they're not the best in the sack either.

Some young girls just as soon as you match, ask for your LINE (a must for communication) and send you 20 nudes with the caption: 2,000 thb for 2 hours and 1 shot.

I tend to ignore anything below 27 28, that way I get girls that are fairly serious about wanting to just hook-up, can hold somewhat of a conversation and are more fun in bed (if it gets there).

Many of these girls have been burned before, one-night-stands, Friends with benefits, stock investments. They are wary of guys so it takes a bit longer to get them on your side of the fence, but it's possible.

If you're looking for a little less stunning girls, badoo is worth a try, I have pulled a few girls from there and all ended up in bed without a lot of convincing. Just need to be treated with respect.

I stick to my few rotation of girls now and a bit out the dating app game, but I'm sure you can find what you're looking for in Tinder.

One word of advice, I bought their premium for one week and it was the biggest waste, girls they say were interested in you were not really and it's all made to look like there's lots of girls that like you but you can't see them unless you pay.

You can fare just as well with the free option: have an interesting profile name, good photos, fun photos and an interesting Bio. Fun photos are the most crucial, it shows the girls there can be a good time to be had with you. And Sanook is what these girls love.In my opinion TF is by far the best. Much better than Tinder, hit rate is 10 to 1 over Tinder for older guys. If I send 10 TF messages I get responses on 7. If I like 10 Tinder profiles I get matched 1 time.

Crocodilexp

09-27-21, 06:10

Johnie

10-01-21, 12:08

I went down to the first floor to pick up a lady who was coming to drink, and saw a really hot lady walking around the lobby, wearing a face mask, of course. I thought some guy got really lucky today. Oops, it was the lady I came down to pick up.

There was a second lady, a silicon enhanced MILF. They didn't know each other previously. They do now. After a few drinks, one was literally begging for dick. Apparently some guy had barfined her for a few days, but didn't pay enough to fuck her, so she was a little randy. Anyway she got dick, but never came, so she left looking for a man in LK Metro.

I forgot to mention that yesterday I had two top tier ladies come over for drinks, and eventually, we got around to playing on the sofa. One lady straddled me and fucked my mouth while the other lady blew me. After about 10 minutes, my tongue gave out, and I pulled the lady down. They didn't miss a beat, they just switched positions, and the other lady started fucking my mouth.

After a while, one of the ladies laid back, and I held up her leg to expose her pussy and finger fucked her, ie my hands were full. No matter, the other lady started making out with her, and helped me out.

There were two other ladies who showed up yesterday, one in the early afternoon, the other an overnighter. Lots of fun.Get real dude, nibody believes this shit.

Johnie.

Nixonbd

10-01-21, 15:07

Get real dude, nibody believes this shit.

Johnie.His fantasy posts are of no value. You can block his posts, as I have.

RacShack

10-01-21, 16:49

His fantasy posts are of no value. You can block his posts, as I have.Wow, thanks bud I'm going to block him and see if that works before I completely give up on site itself (very close) is their anyway to come together and everyone blocks or ignore him for good, I've seen very valuable members on here just completely give up and not return, its a shame! Not making sense at all I've got infraction for asking if rules have changed on here because he even gets away with posting and bragging about known bars where ladyboys work, witch in past was not allowed and got infractions for just asking about, weird!

EihTooms

10-13-21, 08:26

Alcohol sales, other entertainment venues to be allowed by Dec 1.
PUBLISHED: 11 OCT 2021.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2196079/pm-sets-nov-1-for-reopening-to-foreign-tourists-from-low-risk-countries

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said on Monday that he will push for the opening up of the country to fully vaccinated foreign tourists from at least 10 countries on Nov 1, as the government earlier planned.

Gen Prayut said in a nationally televised broadcast that fully vaccinated tourists from at least 10 low-risk countries would be allowed to enter Thailand by air with no quarantine requirements.

The prime minister named the United Kingdom, Singapore, Germany, China and the United States among the first group of countries to benefit from the move.

"I have instructed the CCSA and the Ministry of Public Health to urgently consider within this week to allow, as of Nov 1, international visitors to enter Thailand without any requirement for quarantine if they are fully vaccinated and arrive by air from low-risk countries," he said.

He pledged to open the gates for more countries by Dec 1 and targeted others by Jan 1.

Tourists from countries not on the low-risk list would be allowed but they would be required to quarantine, he added.

The announcement came after other countries including Singapore and Australia eased travel restrictions for their citizens to travel overseas.

Gen Prayut hoped the decision to open up the country next month would draw foreign tourists to Thailand over the next three months, including the forthcoming year-end holidays.

They would revitalise the sector and related businesses that involved millions of people in the country, he went on.

The government had earlier planned to open only Bangkok and several provinces for foreign tourists on Nov 1. The other provinces are Chon Buri (Pattaya city, Bang Lamung district, and Sattahip district), Phetchaburi (Cha-am district), Prachuap Khiri Khan (Hua Hin district) and Chiang Mai (Muang, Mae Taeng, Mae Rim and Doi Tao districts).

Monday's announcement indicated that the reopening would cover all parts of the country.

The announcement came after the country saw the number of fatalities drop below 100 in recent days, with new cases hovering around 10,000.

Although the situation was improving in most parts of Thailand, a surge of new infections continued in Narathiwat, Pattani, Songkhla and Yala. The southern border provinces were in the spotlight of health authorities who were mulling additional measures to clamp down on the spike in the areas.

Tourism was the main sector driving the economy before the pandemic floored the industry last year. The sector accounted for about 20% of gross domestic product if both local tourists and foreign arrivals were counted. Revenue from foreign tourists alone was about 15% of GDP, as the country welcomed almost 40 million travellers from abroad, especially Chinese.

The Bank of Thailand estimated only 200,000 foreign arrivals this year with the number jumping to 6 million next year.

Restrictions eased for alcohol sales

The prime minister said the government will allow restaurants and other places to sell alcohol by Dec 1 to promote tourism and the entertainment sector as people plan to celebrate the new year.

"By Dec 1, we will also consider allowing the consumption of alcoholic beverages in restaurants as well as the operation of entertainment venues under appropriate health precautions to support the revitalisation of the tourism and leisure sectors, especially the new year period," he said.

RacShack

10-13-21, 12:03

EihTooms

10-13-21, 15:06

"By Dec 1, we will also consider allowing the consumption of alcoholic beverages in restaurants as well as the operation of entertainment venues under appropriate health precautions to support the revitalization of the tourism and leisure sectors, especially the new year period," Prayut said.

By now you should know to read that quote more carefully "consider allowing" are the key words. Nothing is set in stone until the Royal Gazette prints it and it can all change in an instant, like it has been in the past year with everything they say. Clearly this is a marketing ploy because there is absolutely no mention to what happens to vaccinated arrivals who test positive after they land. This has been the case since Thailand reopened their airports. People testing negative on departure, but positive on arrival. Imagine the backlash when they do, do not carry insurance (like backpackers), and get forced quarantined even if they are fully vaccinated and have no symptoms, and are forced to pay out of pocket. And they aren't even sick.
...Yes, I am with you on the fact that things can change in an hour. That is why I posted the report without comment, just FYI to anyone looking for positive signs.

But sometimes there are enough bits and pieces of mounting evidence that some of these entertainment venue owners, operators and interests have been tipped off about a move that is more firm than usual even before it is made available for public consumption.

I have mentioned signs of life in terms of renovation and sprucing up of some go-go bars and beer bars lately. Well, this week I am seeing more of it.

And I dare say it appears to me there are several more restaurants and "entertainment venues" in the area (not go-go bars yet) that juuuust might be jumping the gun on the moves cited in that report by 3-7 weeks as though they don't expect much hassle or penalty at all for their eagerness to get up and running.

Btw, "marketing" for what if it isn't for travelers and tourists to start firing up to book flights and rooms on the premise that there will be plenty for them to do and spend money on when they arrive other than time in a quarantine hotel or hospital care and medical staff?

Kurredut

10-13-21, 17:22

For me, TF was at its peak (for regular girls, not PFP) around 2010-2013 and declined afterwards, slowly but noticeably.

No idea about the reasons, I can only speculate. Perhaps it has to do with demographics, average age in Thailand rose from 35 in 2010 to 40 in 2020, so there are fewer young women. For me, 40 is when the good and cuteness looks of most Thai women decline, although there are exceptions. snip.I feel the same about the decline of TF. Up to 2017 I was still able to harvest few Line IDs of working girls but converting TF ladies to bed companions has not worked for me after that. I tried WeChat in 2019 but got replies mostly from tall ladies with big hands. I have used past 15 months building up my Facebook friend list but like you said, aside from obvious bar girls the interest of the younger generation in farangs seem to have waned considerably. I use fake pictures in my FB account so it is not due me being bald, 40 kg overweight, miserable old man.

I have ten times more Messenger activity with young FB friends from Philippines than from Thailand. Maybe it is also a language barrier issue.

HorseTrader

10-13-21, 19:30

But sometimes there are enough bits and pieces of mounting evidence that some of these entertainment venue owners, operators and interests have been tipped off about a move that is more firm than usual even before it is made available for public consumption.Even with inside information, it's a crapshoot. The Thai government will respond according to how COVID progresses and nobody knows how COVID will progress. We also dont know how customers and workers will respond to whatever future health may become.

Mr Enternational

10-13-21, 19:59

The Thai government will respond according to how COVID progresses and nobody knows how COVID will progress. That has shit to do with shit. I am in the Dominican Republic where no test or vaccine is required to enter. Ain't a myriad of tourists coming here spreading covid around or falling out in the street and needing the government to care for them because they did not get the covid insurance. It is the same in Colombia. These folks are dummies.

NicFrenchy

10-14-21, 01:41

I feel the same about the decline of TF. Up to 2017 I was still able to harvest few Line IDs of working girls but converting TF ladies to bed companions has not worked for me after that.I can guarantee you that TF is still alive. And Kicking. It is actually even better than Tinder in the sense that because you need a 10 mn cooldown to write messages (as a free member) it's easier to ask for LineID to chat.

I match with quite a lot of ladies (I don't go for the 20-26 babies) 27-50 mark. The big advantage I have is I live in Bangkok so the ladies are interested to "Finally" talk to someone they could potentially meet without having to wait for the next tourist vacation. They're also very careful because many have been scammed (so they say).

I usually am the one to give my LineID to carry on the conversation and about 70% actually bite.

The key to success is patience, it takes quite a few days / weeks of chat to set up the story you want and meet them in a setting that leads to bed. It's worth it in the end for me.

Tinder is also one that I have had success with but a lot more LBs and Pros there. Girls right away ask for your LineID, and send you pictures, prices, services.

Badoo is also good but you need to really be patient before you find something you might like.

As I said, I like girls with experience, no young puppies. As a local though, the downside is that some girls really get attached once you take them out and have sex.

EihTooms

10-14-21, 02:32

I can guarantee you that TF is still alive. And Kicking. It is actually even better than Tinder in the sense that because you need a 10 mn cooldown to write messages (as a free member) it's easier to ask for LineID to chat.

I match with quite a lot of ladies (I don't go for the 20-26 babies) 27-50 mark. The big advantage I have is I live in Bangkok so the ladies are interested to "Finally" talk to someone they could potentially meet without having to wait for the next tourist vacation. They're also very careful because many have been scammed (so they say).

I usually am the one to give my LineID to carry on the conversation and about 70% actually bite.

The key to success is patience, it takes quite a few days / weeks of chat to set up the story you want and meet them in a setting that leads to bed. It's worth it in the end for me.

Tinder is also one that I have had success with but a lot more LBs and Pros there. Girls right away ask for your LineID, and send you pictures, prices, services.

Badoo is also good but you need to really be patient before you find something you might like.

As I said, I like girls with experience, no young puppies. As a local though, the downside is that some girls really get attached once you take them out and have sex.Yes, I do pretty well with TF and Tinder too. I still say a lot of TF girls are no longer in the area their profile says they live and are only going to chat chat chat into infinity but not meet due to Covid fears. But the ones who are actually IN Bangkok where I live are game. Just have to video chat and meet where escape is easy to avoid as much shock and regret as possible.

Badoo, on the other hand, has been a complete waste of time for me. After thousands of profile clicks by me and rejections by me of others, I have not connected with one lady from Badoo in the 6-7 months that I have had a "Lifetime" membership (3,000 baht, one time). Oh, I could meet a lot if fat old ladies or chat forever with better looking ones who live in Chiang Mai. LOL. But so far I have not made a connection with 1 doable lady who actually lives within 100 km of me and is up for being done by me.

Kurredut

10-14-21, 08:51

The big advantage I have is I live in Bangkok so the ladies are interested to "Finally" talk to someone they could potentially meet without having to wait for the next tourist vacation. They're also very careful because many have been scammed (so they say).

I usually am the one to give my LineID to carry on the conversation and about 70% actually bite.Living in Bangkok is certainly an advantage. I used to spend 10-15 weeks a year in Thailand back in 2012-2017 but now trying to keep girls interested from other side of the globe is a futile task. During past two years almost 20 percent of my hundred or so WG Line contacts have either moved back to family homes or had babies or just plain disappeared. I should get my boots on the ground again.

Kurredut

10-14-21, 14:24

I am disappointed but not in the least surprised about the limitations of the November 1st reopening. Instead of 10 plus countries promised quarantine free entry there will be only five on the list: Britain, the United States, Germany, China and Singapore. That closes the door for a quick tour in November.

Possibly good news is that COE is being replaced by an app that should / could be simpler to use.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2197799/quarantine-being-lifted-more-provinces-being-opened

NicFrenchy

10-15-21, 01:36

trying to keep girls interested from other side of the globe is a futile taskI'm assuming you're talking about girls with above average looks, well these girls get quite a LOT of messages on a daily basis. Weed-out the guys that message about the size of their dicks and wanting video sex calls or just asking for sex on first message.

What's left is all the guys maybe worth talking to ( 50% for argument's sake), why would a girl worth her salt be talking to john Rambo on the other side of the planet? Why waste time on a guy she may never meet or might meet for a week when he visits, want to have sex and go back to his country or to another girl he chats with?

These girls ask pretty quick: Where you from and where you live. If you don't live in their area or near their area? They're not investing time and efforts.

While you're juggling with 10 20 conversations, they have hundreds of guys messaging, especially on TF where you don't need to match to send a message.

Kurredut

10-15-21, 06:14

What's left is all the guys maybe worth talking to ( 50% for argument's sake), why would a girl worth her salt be talking to john Rambo on the other side of the planet? Why waste time on a guy she may never meet or might meet for a week when he visits, want to have sex and go back to his country or to another girl he chats with?Exactly the point I was trying to make: a futile task.

HorseTrader

10-16-21, 23:07

Mr Enternational

10-16-21, 23:27

Are some people still getting effective use from the free membership? I can only view profiles for free, I must pay to contact the desirable ones.Fuck that. I have money. Some of the dating sites that you use and have proven to work for you, then it is best to pay the money. It is all a numbers game, and the more numbers you can hit in a given time, the better. Damn waiting 10 minutes. That is ridiculous. As far as TF goes, I have not paid for it since I left because there is no reason to. I do not need it when I am not there. But when I am in the country I keep my subscription paid. My Latinamericancupid I pay by the year ($119) because I am always traveling around Latin America.

NicFrenchy

10-18-21, 02:37

Fuck that. I have money. Some of the dating sites that you use and have proven to work for you, then it is best to pay the money.Quite right, and in the dating scene, my money is on Tinder at the moment. TF, Badoo, Tagged are just a mere side entertainment.

As a local, the only negative in playing the non P4 P game is that, no matter how many times you tell these girls you are not looking for a relationship, they always want more.

Golden Rule: Never bring them home (they should not know where you live), or work.

Houston Player

10-18-21, 07:13

Quite right, and in the dating scene, my money is on Tinder at the moment. TF, Badoo, Tagged are just a mere side entertainment.

As a local, the only negative in playing the non P4 P game is that, no matter how many times you tell these girls you are not looking for a relationship, they always want more.

Golden Rule: Never bring them home (they should not know where you live), or work.Your Golden Rule of advice is certainly in the right thread. LOL.

Khondjii

10-19-21, 17:45

I'm Swiss and supposed to fly in Bangkok 3rd November.

For now Thailand says that 5 countries can enter without quarantine: China, Germany, Singapore, UK and USA.

Thailand government could announce an extended list with other countries in the coming days. Ok.

Even if your country is or will be on the list there are quite a few conditions to obtain a "Thailand Pass", including the purchase of COVID insurance and the choice of a specific hotel. When I look at the "how to" chart for entering Thailand, it already gives me a headache.

Note for myself: think of a plan be.

StudBucket

10-20-21, 02:59

Explorer8939

10-20-21, 05:32

Quite right, and in the dating scene, my money is on Tinder at the moment. TF, Badoo, Tagged are just a mere side entertainment.

As a local, the only negative in playing the non P4 P game is that, no matter how many times you tell these girls you are not looking for a relationship, they always want more.

Golden Rule: Never bring them home (they should not know where you live), or work.On the contrary, I bring many home. That's how I have my condo cleaned, about 50% of the ladies clean up the place.

Khondjii

10-20-21, 23:48

Unless you are completely okay without going to gogobars, nightclubs, or bars, you would be better off leaving on Dec. 1. The ban on serving alcohol is still in affect until Dec. 1, so IMO not worth going until then.I'm afraid, You're right.

- Even if your country is on the "OK list".

- Even if you are vaccinated.

- Even if you have a PCR test valid for 48 hours.

- Even if you have to make another PCR test once entering in Thailand.

- Even if you subscribe a COVID insurance up to $ 100 K.

- Even if you must stay in an imposed hotel.

What will you really find in Thailand since November?

- no alcohol (and I'm not an alcoholic but hey.).

- closed bars?

- massage parlors open randomly? With just a few girls?

- a local population mostly hostile to the reopening of the country - https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/most-thais-against-reopening-country-poll.

- wearing a mask everywhere, outside, inside.

Seriously, it will take time to find again the Thailand (and the world) we have known.

Shit!

Take care guys.

EihTooms

10-21-21, 05:35

...
What will you really find in Thailand since November?

- no alcohol (and I'm not an alcoholic but hey.).

- closed bars?

- massage parlors open randomly? With just a few girls?

- a local population mostly hostile to the reopening of the country - https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/most-thais-against-reopening-country-poll.

- wearing a mask everywhere, outside, inside.

Seriously, it will take time to find again the Thailand (and the world) we have known.

Shit!

Take care guys.Other than that "local population" part, my observation and experience is that the things you listed are not exactly true even now, October 21, 2021. I'm talking about the main red light district of Bangkok.

Sure, everything can change on a dime. But a punter could go out this very night and be swarmed by perfectly doable if not more than doable young P4P ladies while getting shit-faced drunk if that is his thing. The alcohol part carries risks for now though.

Remember the "friend" or whatever of a member here who wrote a couple of recent reports his member friend posted about how he'd been in Bangkok for 3 days, how dreary everything looked in Bangkok, how he would not stick his dick in the dregs he saw, how sorry he was if he insulted anyone living here who did?

Well, he was mostly right about how things looked in general and I said so.

But while he was boasting about how his punter knowledge and punter game was superior to the poor confused souls who had not figured out how to behave properly as a very good boy to arrange meetings with sideliners or certain Thai website girls for presumably very safe, polite, basic, standard P4P fare, he pretty much had missed 2-3 elephants in the room where a moderately curious punter could then and can now get what you listed at less than normal cost.

He just either totally missed it or was keeping mum about it for any one of a few reasons. Lol.

ThaiGoodTimes

10-21-21, 06:13

I'm afraid, You're right.

- Even if your country is on the "OK list".

- Even if you are vaccinated.

- Even if you have a PCR test valid for 48 hours.

- Even if you have to make another PCR test once entering in Thailand.

- Even if you subscribe a COVID insurance up to $ 100 K.

- Even if you must stay in an imposed hotel.

What will you really find in Thailand since November?

- no alcohol (and I'm not an alcoholic but hey.).

- closed bars?.I'll stop giggling at your reply soon.

If you want all that, well nearly (no gogo's yet), then go to Phuket.

It's all readily available, and it's also where the girls have moved to now that they again can enter.

As always, they follow where the punters are heading with their western filled wallets.

ThaiGoodTimes

10-21-21, 06:21

Other than that "local population" part, my observation and experience is that the things you listed are not exactly true even now, October 21, 2021. I'm talking about the main red light district of Bangkok.

Sure, everything can change on a dime. But a punter could go out this very night and be swarmed by perfectly doable if not more than doable young P4P ladies while getting shit-faced drunk if that is his thing. The alcohol part carries risks for now though.

Remember the "friend" or whatever of a member here who wrote a couple of recent reports his member friend posted about how he'd been in Bangkok for 3 days, how dreary everything looked in Bangkok, how he would not stick his dick in the dregs he saw, how sorry he was if he insulted anyone living here who did?

Well, he was mostly right about how things looked in general and I said so.

But while he was boasting about how his punter knowledge and punter game was superior to the poor confused souls who had not figured out how to behave properly as a very good boy to arrange meetings with sideliners or certain Thai website girls for presumably very safe, polite, basic, standard P4P fare, he pretty much had missed 2-3 elephants in the room where a moderately curious punter could then and can now get what you listed at less than normal cost.

He just either totally missed it or was keeping mum about it for any one of a few reasons. Lol.100% agree with you.

And I will add that very very very satisfactory punting has continued throughout all the Covid restrictions across pretty much all the playspots in Thailand. I can personally claim that through experiences in Phuket, Bangkok, Pattaya, and Hua Hin, as well as information provided to me by trusted fellow punters in each of those locales.

The ones who missed out on knowing how to keep happy with covid, where those who never fostered "enduring engagements" with bars, girls, etc. , so they had no inside running to how the girls kept working. They were the just come, see, fuck and leave brigade of punters. As I read recently, those in the know, who played the long game, and played it to rules, got invited inside the telegram groups, and have endured good times. My personal approach has always been to get to know Mamasan, and long time, good time girls, and they have helped me continue to meet my needs.

NicFrenchy

10-21-21, 07:32

a punter could go out this very night and be swarmed by perfectly doable if not more than doable young P4P ladies while getting shit-faced drunk if that is his thing. The alcohol part carries risks for now thoughThe way Bangkok is at the moment, you can easily have a party, 2 or 3 ladies, your own supply of alcohol all in the comfort of your hotel room. Although curfews have been eased, the ladies would not charge an arm and a led for "long time".

You may have to sneak the ladies in 1 by 1 (hotel policies and all) but the safest way these days is house (small parties, 5 people max I believe).

I would avoid places that sell alcohol, at least until restaurants / bars can officially serve. The last thing you want is you being caught and slapped with a fine, a ticket back home and maybe a couple years ban from re-entering the kingdom. As a tourist, you're the lowest hanging fruit. A little notch below soi dogs.

AirlineCrew

10-21-21, 10:36

Dear Gents,

First off this post contains no information on Thailand, if that's what you are looking for than skip my rant. (Don't want to step on anyone's toes, I've learned my lesson from previous experiences).

I've not been on this site for awhile, as my name suggest I work for an airline and I've traveled to BKK all through covid multiple times. However when I'm there I'm not allowed to have visitors or even leave my hotel room. Even though our entire airline now is vaccinated we are still not allowed to leave the room or have a visitor. But that's not what my rant is about.

For years and years I've visited the soapies and oilies in BKK, mostly out of necessity since the sex in my marriage was basically non existent and absolutely not very exciting. I did see value in my marriage and I was able to live this way with quenching my sexual desires in Thailand and many other places around the world. However my marriage has ended (for reasons that didn't involve cheating on my ex wife) and I've been single until recently. Never stopped visiting the ladies though, but this time in my own country and whenever it was allowed during lockdown. (Even if it wasn't I still got my fix from time to time).

Now I've met a new woman via tinder. She is absolutely wonderful, we have been going on dates a few months now and the sex is fantastic. She is all I could wish for and has made me see what I have missed in my previous marriage. I actually start to have feelings for her. We are slowly planning a future together. Out of respect I've stopped seeing WG's. However I've come to realize this has become an actual hobby of mine. It started out of necessity but I've actually enjoyed seeing women all these years. The thrill of finding that gem in some seedy place or actually exploring some cities in the world using tips from my fellow mongers on this website.

It's hard for me to imagine that I will never get to spend time with a hot 20 year old in Thailand again, especially now that I'm over twice that age and the idea gets more exciting the older I get. I've even had sex with women that are much older than I am which I found enjoyable as well. Or women that I normally wouldn't fall for like black women or fat women. They are usually not my preference but man I've had some good times with a BBW and some African ladies.

My new girlfriend knows about me having visited hookers and she was ok with me doing so in the past but had asked me to stop because of possible STD's and mostly because she considers it cheating.

I'm not going to ask you gents what I should do, I realize this forum would not be neutral. It's just a rant and I need to figure this out myself but any thoughts or experiences would be welcome. Thanks to everyone for all the tips I got through the years by reading this forum and it was a pleasure to have helped others the same time.

ALC.

NicFrenchy

10-21-21, 11:30

Dear Gents,Nice rant and yes you're between a rock and a hard place.

Now, from experience I am afraid the temptation will be too large for you to abstain from having "fun" in Thailand. As strong as your will may be, once you get a taste of that life, as you so eloquently put it, it becomes a game, an addiction of sorts.

I am in a relationship, and even though I love my partner, I am straying. Mostly non P4 P this past couple years but I do indulge in massages from time to time. I tried to stop, I did for a while, but went back.

What triggered my going back? Could be a million things, but it was alcohol. My mind wasn't 100% and I got weak. Once I had the first taste again, I was done for.

I'm rooting for you and your couple, but your job will provide a lot of time away from your partner. And a lot of temptations. The only thing I would say, is try not to bring anything nasty home back to her.

Crazy4Thai

10-21-21, 13:29

I agree with NicFrenchy. My handle could accurately be adjusted to Crazy for Pussy. All kinds of pussy. I have not been picky like many are. Not that I don't have my standards. But it's not just the sex act, it's all that goes with it. The surprise chemistry, the surprise willingness to please, the laughter while we are still playing pool, finding that she matches my wit and banter. It's an exploration and discovering delights. Not always of course, but often enough. And then there is the sustainability of your new love. I'll just say that my own true loves have never worked out and they failed even before I became a world class monger. So that was not a factor. Of course you could try, I mean truly commit, to quit and see how it goes. I know that people not on the game find it so easy to criticize us who are but what's true for me is that I really just love women and want to be around them. And fuck them. Could it be that you now have an obligation to keep us posted?

AirlineCrew

10-21-21, 18:33

At Nicfrenzy and Crazy4 thai thanksi for the kind words and wisdom. I think you two are probably right. The thought of being exclusive to this one woman for the rest of my life would seem an impossible task. I'm going to try for now. Since I can't come into Thailand and indulge right now anyway that's an easy thing to say but just like you said this will probably change as soon as Thailand opens up again.

Staying away from all the venues in BKK would seem a bloody shame and since my experience is that every "regular" massage joint will ask you if you want to try the specials I just know that in a moment of weakness I'll say yes and then I'm back for sure. I've had sex at places when I was seriously going to get a massage. Just at a place near my hotel not even close to the RLD. Girl asked if I wanted a HJ like they always do and I just ask if she would do full sex. Sometimes they would hesitate but they always said yes in the end. I'd like to think I've liberated some young girls from their virginity this way.

Imagine if I had stayed faithful to my ex wife all those years what a waste that would have been.

Time will tell, maybe I'll fool myself and just be really picky with the ladies from now on and think that will justify it LOL.

Banana Boi

10-21-21, 19:02

I heard rumors there will be 45+ countries on the no quarantine list starting in 10 days.

SedNabokos

10-21-21, 23:44

I heard rumors there will be 45+ countries on the no quarantine list starting in 10 days.46 countries according to The Phuket News (https://www.thephuketnews.com/thailand-welcomes-visitors-from-46-countries-from-nov-1-81773.php).

Australia.

Austria.

Bahrain.

Belgium.

Bhutan.

Brunei Darussalam.

Bulgaria.

Cambodia.

Canada..

HorseTrader

10-22-21, 04:21

I heard rumors there will be 45+ countries on the no quarantine list starting in 10 days.
General information:
https://asq.in.th/thailand-pass

Some insurance options:
https://asq.in.th/thailand-covid-insurance

No guarantees how valid this information will be when you or I decide to travel.

NicFrenchy

10-22-21, 08:13

this will probably change as soon as Thailand opens up againIt looks like Thailand is reopening, and not to just a couple countries. This is very positive for the economy, not so much for your plans.

Being Picky is not really possible anymore, I get hit-on by 18 year old girls (and guys) for sex, the really good looking ones ask for 3 K for sex for 1 hour, and it takes only a few seconds to extend this to multiple hours and multi orgasms. What can I say, the iphone13 is out and they all want to have it.

On the other hand, December 1st looks like it's going to be the start of the alcohol ban lift, this means bars and nightlife will reopen. And Families in Issan will push their girls back to Bangkok to earn money and send it back.

The future looks brighter now, let's hope it stays that way.

GreenToad

10-22-21, 17:14

No Quarantine.

"Note: Must wait for RT-PCR test result at the hotel for 1 night, or until a negative result is received."

Q. Where will I get my RT-PCR test? At the airport when I land, or at the hotel?

Q. How much does this test cost?

Q. How long does it generally take to get these results back?

Q. I presume I will have to stay in my hotel for the shorter of 1 night, or test results received.

Q. If I land at 06:30 AM what is "1 night" - is it until 06:30 the following day? What If I land at 23:45?

Q. If I land at 06:30 and my RT-PCR results come in the same day at 15:30, am I free to roam around Bangkok starting at 15:31?

I realize it's Thailand and getting precise answers to specific questions is not always easy but any insight would be appreciated.

Thank you!

NicFrenchy

10-23-21, 01:37

Q. Where will I get my RT-PCR test? At the airport when I land, or at the hotel?You're not leaving the airport until your PCR test is done, they will setup something (might be outside) for you to go to get your PCR test. Don't worry, there will be a plethora of workers directing you as soon as you get off the plane.

Q. How much does this test cost?The one I did in a BKK Hospital was 4 k, 5 k if I wanted the results same day.

For this one, My guess is it will be included in the price of your room (which is why you will have to stay in an ASQ hotel). Again it's not clear but that's what makes the most sense, seeing how they've done things so far.

Q. How long does it generally take to get these results back?24 hours.

Q. I presume I will have to stay in my hotel for the shorter of 1 night, or test results receivedYes, stay in an ASQ (or maybe SHA+) hotel is mandatory until you get your test results back.

Q. If I land at 06:30 AM what is "1 night" - is it until 06:30 the following day? What If I land at 23:45?That is unfortunately not that simple. But rest assured, regardless of your arrival time you will not be able to leave your hotel until a negative test clears you.

Q. If I land at 06:30 and my RT-PCR results come in the same day at 15:30, am I free to roam around Bangkok starting at 15:31?Technically, yes, you're in the clear as soon as your PCR test comes back negative. You can then roam as you please.

Explorer8939

10-23-21, 04:37

I am planning to go to Thailand November 2. Right now, there isn't enough information to apply for a COE, I hope things will be clearer in a few days.

Turgid

10-24-21, 17:33

I'm in Pattaya now and I took a walk down walking street. Lots of construction noise behind closed doors, so I think things are happening. I'm wondering what will happen to the smaller places, but I guess we'll see. I'll be happy if they aren't bought up by Chinese and turned into something awful.

I have already seen two girls and have one scheduled every day this week, so we'll see what happens. So far, so good. Had two excellent experiences so far. The one girl said she hadn't had a client in 5 days and her profile on TF is always near the head of the search because she is always working on there. She's cute, so I'm surprised she has no work. Girls have been messaging me like crazy and asking to see me because they knew I was coming this week. I'm running out of excuses already. Might have to take out a loan and have an orgy. Something to aspire to, anyway.

Oh, and one of the girls came over after curfew in a cab, so that is happening. I'll do the reports later.Ah, someone has taken over from Explorer.

BionicMan

10-25-21, 05:43

Ah, someone has taken over from Explorer.Either a bipolar guy or starting an exit strategy and build a "new" image to be able to invade a different thread.

RacShack

10-25-21, 06:27

Either a bipolar guy or starting an exit strategy and build a "new" image to be able to invade a different thread.And the first thing he talks about in Tijuana is his expertise in that certain type of "lady" he seems to like playing with his ass and that same bar they hang out in Thailand, weird? Or just me thinks so? Been their 3 or 4 days now and not one word on the girls their, because now he must be very careful because posters that are really their or cross over all the time can call him out on his bullshit lying.

And yes from beginning I was thinking it's all about a exit strategy! From 9 girls a day to zero in Tijuana!

Mogwai

10-31-21, 07:51

Ah, someone has taken over from Explorer.

Either a bipolar guy or starting an exit strategy and build a "new" image to be able to invade a different thread.CIMguy has nothing to do with Explorer, and he's not the same guy either.
CIMguy has a credible posting history. Take a look at that first, before you make false accusations.

PedroMorales

10-31-21, 15:05

CIMguy has nothing to do with Explorer, and he's not the same guy either.
CIMguy has a credible posting history. Take a look at that first, before you make false accusations.I have no interest in CIMguy's fantasies as they are not my style. Good luck to him. I am here to get information I could use (though it is too late for me to make an ISG app). COMguy writes, like many others, about these women, like from a checklist (attitude 9/10, bust size 3/10, GFE 1/10 etc) and a lot of guys like that, just as others like the vacuous pussy pervert pics in the Phils threads.

Here are my money-related questions for CIMguy. You constantly stress you are on a budget and I appreciate that.

1. In Pattaya, you are limiting yourself to 2-03 women per week. Why not pig out on them instead? What do you do there for the rest of the time?

2. You stress you are on a budget but you go to Zurich where a cup of coffee costs more than a Thai bonk. Please explain.

Thank you.

Turgid

10-31-21, 16:51

CIMguy has nothing to do with Explorer, and he's not the same guy either.
CIMguy has a credible posting history. Take a look at that first, before you make false accusations.I see you quoted me. If you think that I think they are the same person you are a confused person.

Mr Enternational

10-31-21, 18:12

Here are my money-related questions for CIMguy. You constantly stress you are on a budget and I appreciate that.

1. In Pattaya, you are limiting yourself to 2-03 women per week. Why not pig out on them instead? What do you do there for the rest of the time?

2. You stress you are on a budget but you go to Zurich where a cup of coffee costs more than a Thai bonk. Please explain.Maybe he knows that he does not need more than 2 or 3 women per week. It does not have to be feast or famine. He realizes that middle ground. Maybe unlike the rest of ISG, he is fucking like a rabbit when he is home anyway and not beholden to how many guys say they are in a sex prison.

There are tons of things to do in Pattaya if you are looking to do something. If you are only looking for bars then that is what you will find. I hardly ever go to a bar, yet I stay busy.

Myself, I would not buy a new car or new house. In the States my house is paid off and my car is a 1998. I prefer to use my money for traveling and investing. And when traveling I do not spend a bunch of money on hookers. I deal with cheap hookers, then I do normal more expensive shit like Maldives with a normal girlfriend.

Just because someone posts about cheaping out on some things on this board does not mean they are broke or can't afford more expensive whatever. Maybe they prefer making their Bentley payments over $300/ hour for 1 hooker. Or maybe they prefer a $35 cup of coffee in Switzerland over a $60 bar girl in Pattaya. For most people on this board I assume that mongering is only 1 part and does not consume their total life or is their reason of being.

HorseTrader

10-31-21, 18:31

Maybe he knows that he does not need more than 2 or 3 women per week. It does not have to be feast or famine. He realizes that middle ground.That is the mistake I made my last time in Thailand (early 2020). I had sex anywhere from 0 to 3 times per day, which averaged to about 1.5. times per day. My last several days I was at about 3 per day and that was too much for me (thanks to Viagra) . I'm an old man and that pace was difficult to manage. I would have enjoyed the trip more if I limited myself to 1 per day.

PedroMorales

10-31-21, 19:42

I just want his take. Thai hookers quickly get tiresome. When I go to SE Asia, I always ensure I have a non hooker project on. I kind of regret that now when I think of the good and cheap hookers I could have spent more time with. That said, a Thai hooker is better than a Swiss coffee. Whatever about pigging out on Thai hookers, I'd be going easy on everything in Switzerland. That said, I have met some Swiss on holidays who are as tight as a mouse's crotch.

Maybe he knows that he does not need more than 2 or 3 women per week.

Explorer8939

10-31-21, 21:52

I am planning to go to Thailand November 2. Right now, there isn't enough information to apply for a COE, I hope things will be clearer in a few days.Because ThailandPass doesn't come online until November 1, I had to postpone my flight to Thailand until November 10. I have my AQ hotel, my insurance, and my flight, so I have everything to get something off ThailandPass except my RT-PCR test.

I am staying in Bangkok at the Radisson on Sukhumvit, so I can check out the local talent, once I get my test results after landing.

NicFrenchy

11-01-21, 02:05

1. In Pattaya, you are limiting yourself to 2-03 women per week. Why not pig out on them instead? What do you do there for the rest of the time?
I'm not a big fan of Pattaya but to limit Pattaya to just a big pussy, all you can shag buffet is a mistake.

Is it so hard to believe that some guys actually come to Thailand to relax? Live at a different pace than back home?

There are a lot of things to do here, to visit, to learn, mountains, beaches, waterfalls, caves. I think limiting thailand to just prostitution does not do the place any justice. I mean, 2 weeks here and more than 3 girls a day? Doesn't it get old after 2 or 3 days? Massage, massage, gogo, streetwalker, freelancer. Rinse-repeat like groundhog day.

I think a lot more fun can be had here if you pace yourself and enjoy the many things Thailand has to offer, while still ending up with 1 or 2 girls each day.

Sunlover2

11-01-21, 02:47

I think a lot more fun can be had here if you pace yourself and enjoy the many things Thailand has to offer, while still ending up with 1 or 2 girls each day.When I was younger, still working (stress) and on shorter stays; I was on the 2 x daily plan. Now that I am older, retired (no stress) and on longer stays; I settle in at about the every other day plan.

I have the funds to monger as often as I fancy, so I can always pursue any spontaneous situations that might arise. I also find that with a buffer day (and the proper motivation 555) I do not need ED meds to fall back on, which I much prefer.

And when something is available 24/7/365 and in abundance, there is no need to chase it like it will be your last. YMMV of course.

SL.

CIMguy

11-01-21, 06:53

I'm not a big fan of Pattaya but to limit Pattaya to just a big pussy, all you can shag buffet is a mistake.

Is it so hard to believe that some guys actually come to Thailand to relax? Live at a different pace than back home?

There are a lot of things to do here, to visit, to learn, mountains, beaches, waterfalls, caves. I think limiting thailand to just prostitution does not do the place any justice. I mean, 2 weeks here and more than 3 girls a day? Doesn't it get old after 2 or 3 days? Massage, massage, gogo, streetwalker, freelancer. Rinse-repeat like groundhog day.

I think a lot more fun can be had here if you pace yourself and enjoy the many things Thailand has to offer, while still ending up with 1 or 2 girls each day.I agree. I came to Krabi a little before the pandemic and had a blast doing all kinds of things. Went hiking, kayaking, snorkeling, boat trips. Some things can get expensive if you add them up, but no more expensive that the escorts and there are things that cost nothing, like hiking. Still plenty of time for punting.

CIMguy

11-01-21, 07:05

I have no interest in CIMguy's fantasies as they are not my style. Good luck to him. I am here to get information I could use (though it is too late for me to make an ISG app). COMguy writes, like many others, about these women, like from a checklist (attitude 9/10, bust size 3/10, GFE 1/10 etc) and a lot of guys like that, just as others like the vacuous pussy pervert pics in the Phils threads.

Here are my money-related questions for CIMguy. You constantly stress you are on a budget and I appreciate that.

1. In Pattaya, you are limiting yourself to 2-03 women per week. Why not pig out on them instead? What do you do there for the rest of the time?

2. You stress you are on a budget but you go to Zurich where a cup of coffee costs more than a Thai bonk. Please explain.

Thank you.1. I am limiting myself to 2-3 per week because that is all the money I have. I am only working part time this year while I finish my doctorate. As it is, I'll probably run out of money for punting at this rate in March or April. I don't know why a lack of money is confusing to you or why you would attack me for sharing reports. The orgy thing was a joke, that's all. I thought it was clearly a joke.

2. What is this about Zurich? I used to live in Zurich so I didn't need to travel there. Do you think I was taking vacations to Zurich? I was not. I'm a school teacher and I worked there.

You seem to be filling in a lot of info on your own and it's all wrong. Go check my posts about trips to Berlin (cheapest flight from Zurich and cheap girls). I have never had much money. I save and use some of the money for punting. When the money is gone, it's gone. And I don't drink expensive coffee. I drink cheap tea.

I was going to post about the girls I've seen this week, but now I think I shouldn't bother. People complain about no posts about actual punting and girls and then attack someone who tries to do both. Pretty lame.

Explorer8939

11-01-21, 17:52

SedNabokos

11-02-21, 01:46

I was going to post about the girls I've seen this week, but now I think I shouldn't bother. People complain about no posts about actual punting and girls and then attack someone who tries to do both. Pretty lame.Please ignore the trolls.

I've been vicariously enjoying your adventures, and would appreciate hearing more.

HorseTrader

11-02-21, 03:17

Thailand Pass, I successfully completed my application and am waiting for my QR code. If you have problems with your app, let me know, maybe I can help.It's my understanding that Thailand Pass is an app. Is that correct? I tried to download it from that App Store, but it wasn't there.

Where did you get your?

Banana Boi

11-02-21, 03:28

It's my understanding that Thailand Pass is an app. Is that correct? I tried to download it from that App Store, but it wasn't there.

Where did you get your?Thailand Pass is not an app. It's the application form that needs to be completed to get in to Thailand. It replaced the COE.

https://tp.consular.go.th/

The mandatory app I think you are thinking of is the Mor Chana app which can be downloaded from the App store. This is the app you must use once you land in Thailand so they can monitor everywhere you go. Big Brother is watching.

HorseTrader

11-02-21, 05:15

Thailand Pass is not an app. It's the application form that needs to be completed to get in to Thailand. It replaced the COE.

https://tp.consular.go.th/

The mandatory app I think you are thinking of is the Mor Chana app which can be downloaded from the App store. This is the app you must use once you land in Thailand so they can monitor everywhere you go. Big Brother is watching.Thank you, I think it was The Thaiger that said it was an "app" and I interpreted it as a "computer application" (like from the app store) when it really is just an "online application".

I booked mark that URL for future reference. From what I've read so far, it seems very clear. Maybe even simple.

I'm targeting arrival in January or February, provided things continue to improve.

For my travel the flight prices are about the same as February 2020 flights, but connections are much worse so travel time is much longer for me now. What was a 20-hour 2-flight trip in 2020 will be 28-hour 3-flight trip in 2022. Perhaps more flights will be added in the near future.

CIMguy

11-02-21, 09:36

PedroMorales

11-02-21, 09:37

I was not attacking you. Others did and others said to read your posts which I did. I noted the piece about Switzerland and so asked about that as I was intrigued by it. You gave a good answer: not all Swiss are loaded.

As regards limiting yourself to 2-3 hookers per week, that is good too as a lot of guys leave their brains at the airport and their life's savings with one or more hookers.

What people do in privacy with hookers is of no interest to me as it is unlikely I would be with the same hooker and have the same experience with her.

1. I am limiting myself to 2-3 per week because that is all the money I have. I am only working part time this year while I finish my doctorate. As it is, I'll probably run out of money for punting at this rate in March or April. I don't know why a lack of money is confusing to you or why you would attack me for sharing reports. The orgy thing was a joke, that's all. I thought it was clearly a joke.

2. What is this about Zurich? I used to live in Zurich so I didn't need to travel there. Do you think I was taking vacations to Zurich? I was not. I'm a school teacher and I worked there.

You seem to be filling in a lot of info on your own and it's all wrong. Go check my posts about trips to Berlin (cheapest flight from Zurich and cheap girls). I have never had much money. I save and use some of the money for punting. When the money is gone, it's gone. And I don't drink expensive coffee. I drink cheap tea.

PedroMorales

11-02-21, 09:44

CIMGuy, don't let the losers bother you, go ahead and post.

Thailand Pass, I successfully completed my application and am waiting for my QR code. If you have problems with your app, let me know, maybe I can help.I have explained myself to CIMGuy in an earlier post. I asked valid questions, even if I have no interest in your attempts at porno.

QR Code: Be sure to follow the plane's guidelines carefully both coming and going. A hooker friend of mine got a 5 page checklist for Singapore. Ensure you also have the necessary forms such as locator forms for return. Some airlines get you to upload it all directly, others use outside apps. You also should have hard copies of all forms and a fully charged phone with all apps on it. I check multiple airlines and ferries to ensure I have all paperwork / apps.

Explorer8939

11-02-21, 15:36

It's my understanding that Thailand Pass is an app. Is that correct? I tried to download it from that App Store, but it wasn't there.

Where did you get your?https://tp.consular.go.th/

SaulGoodman41

11-03-21, 20:10

Member #4753

11-04-21, 02:16

Hi,

Thanks to you all for the updates on the Thailand scene. Does anyone know if the larger Bangkok soapies such as Emmannuelle and La Belle are showing any signs of life at present? I'm planning a month in BKK ideally arriving mid-Nov but wondering if it'd be best to wait until after Dec 1st. Thanks.There is no sign of life yet for the big soapies or gogos. I don't see them opening until early 2022.

I think everyone is waiting to see what happens in November as far as how many tourists come in. If there is no big spike in cases they will look to open up bars and entertainment places at a later stage.

You can see a little more activity from normal businesses in the tourist areas in anticipation of arrivals. However most business have been shut for 1 1/2 years and many completely gone. The ones that remain are hanging on by a thread so they are very cautious about spending money until they can see the demand arriving. Every time they open and then shut costs money. They have been buring cash for 18 months. No much cash left. The first priority is to get normal activity going. Enterntainment and bars will be the last to open.

Having said all of this. There are many oilies open, albiet with a skeleton staff and are quite tragic at the moment. If tourist numbers start to increase these places will probably be the first to get going and to start building staff.

There are also a few bars that have called themselves restaurants in order to get going. These places are small and nothing like before, not worth coming for.

Unless you are here you would not comprehend the devastaion covid has brought to the tourist areas inlcuding all of lower Sukhumwit, Patpong and Khao san. The entertainment streets are completely shut, it is eerie to walk down them at night. Completely black. They have been like this for 6 months.

Even normal things are eerily quiet. You can get a seat on the BTS in rush hour. There is no tourists here at all.

Thailand is in a holding pattern. I would not jump on a plane right now and expect everything to jump back to normal in weeks. It is going to be a slow build and most people are in a wait and see mode. I think you would have to be very optimistic in wishing to see bars / gogos and soapies open in December, I would think this is maybe a 10% chances. Some time early next year would be a more realistic time scale.

Banana Boi

11-04-21, 08:07

Thailand Pass, I successfully completed my application and am waiting for my QR code. If you have problems with your app, let me know, maybe I can help.You must have horseshoes being able to apply for the Thailand Pass on Day 1. As you likely know there was on API error on Day 1. It's now 2 pm on Nov. 4 and guys still can't get their applications in. I know expats who have been trying to apply since 9 am on Nov 1 and still haven't been able to submit their applications.

Which browser do you use - chrome, firefox, edge, etc? Which email account - Gmail, hotmail, etc?

Personally I haven't bothered trying. Knew this would be a clusterfuck so am waiting til things sort out before applying.

Racshack, please delete some of those Pattaya gogo girl photos in your inbox!

Ed Setra

11-04-21, 08:17

You must have horseshoes being able to apply for the Thailand Pass on Day 1. As you likely know there was on API error on Day 1. It's now 2 pm on Nov. 4 and guys still can't get their applications in. I know expats who have been trying to apply since 9 am on Nov 1 and still haven't been able to submit their applications.

Which browser do you use? Gmail, hotmail, etc?

Personally I haven't bothered trying. Knew this would be a clusterfuck so am waiting til things sort out before applying.Yeah, I tried when they opened the site (very early morning here in Europe). Site froze several times so I gave up after a few tries.

A few hours later I tried again and got onto site and progressed a bit. Then discovered that they would not accept pdf uploads. WT actual F. JPG or one other only, so I gave up 'til later in the day when I could transfer my pdfs to jpg. A real PITA.

Later Nov 1 I tried again and got the successfully accepted message. Now I await the QR code with email 'within 7 working days'.

Wouldn't want to be a worrier or have high blood pressure if you were travelling soon.

BTW: API error seems to have been fixed now and there was a workaround published elsewhere (Involved using Chrome, I believe).

I used Firefox browser and gmail.

J Janni

11-04-21, 08:30

Yeah, I tried when they opened the site (very early morning here in Europe). Site froze several times so I gave up after a few tries.

A few hours later I tried again and got onto site and progressed a bit. Then discovered that they would not accept pdf uploads. WT actual F. JPG or one other only, so I gave up 'til later in the day when I could transfer my pdfs to jpg. A real PITA.

Later Nov 1 I tried again and got the successfully accepted message. Now I await the QR code with email 'within 7 working days'.

Wouldn't want to be a worrier or have high blood pressure if you were travelling soon.

BTW: API error seems to have been fixed now and there was a workaround published elsewhere (Involved using Chrome, I believe).

I used Firefox browser and gmail.Watching with interest.

I managed to get my COE for the Phuket Sandbox about 8 hours before my flight departed the UK on the 30th of June.

Looking at coming back on the 19th for a couple of weeks. Glutton for punishment!

SaulGoodman41

11-04-21, 09:56

There is no sign of life yet for the big soapies or gogos. I don't see them opening until early 2022.

I think everyone is waiting to see what happens in November as far as how many tourists come in. If there is no big spike in cases they will look to open up bars and entertainment places at a later stage.

You can see a little more activity from normal businesses in the tourist areas in anticipation of arrivals. However most business have been shut for 1 1/2 years and many completely gone. The ones that remain are hanging on by a thread so they are very cautious about spending money until they can see the demand arriving. Every time they open and then shut costs money. They have been buring cash for 18 months. No much cash left. The first priority is to get normal activity going. Enterntainment and bars will be the last to open.

Having said all of this. There are many oilies open, albiet with a skeleton staff and are quite tragic at the moment. If tourist numbers start to increase these places will probably be the first to get going and to start building staff.

There are also a few bars that have called themselves restaurants in order to get going. These places are small and nothing like before, not worth coming for.Thanks for this info MaxBkk. I hadn't quite realized the extent of how much things have changed and how long it will take for them to recover. I shall take your advice and look to 2022. Regards.

HorseTrader

11-05-21, 01:29

Just 2 days ago I bought my January airline ticket to BKK, 28 hours gate to gate. Today I received a revised travel schedule and every flight was changed. The trip is now 40 hours gate to gate. A little research shows that my twice weekly long-haul flight no longer exists. I don't think my body can tolerate a 40-hour gate to gate trip, need to reconsider everything. Getting old sucks. Next I deal with the airline and try to get a full refund. Frustration.

End rant.

PedroMorales

11-05-21, 01:49

Why are they making such a radical change so far out? I take it you are flying from a large city and not some dirt strip in Yellow Brick Road State. Have they spelled out where the extra hours / lay over is coming from?

I, say, f you intended to fly LAX-Narita-BKK, then they might choose to cancel one leg nearer the date if the traffic was not there (this has happened to me on multiple occasions recently in Europe with different air lines). But this far in advance indicates your carrier is at sea.

Just 2 days ago I bought my January airline ticket to BKK, 28 hours gate to gate. Today I received a revised travel schedule and every flight was changed. The trip is now 40 hours gate to gate. A little research shows that my twice weekly long-haul flight no longer exists. I don't think my body can tolerate a 40-hour gate to gate trip, need to reconsider everything. Getting old sucks. Next I deal with the airline and try to get a full refund. Frustration.

End rant.

Explorer8939

11-05-21, 04:19

Yeah, I tried when they opened the site (very early morning here in Europe). Site froze several times so I gave up after a few tries.

A few hours later I tried again and got onto site and progressed a bit. Then discovered that they would not accept pdf uploads. WT actual F. JPG or one other only, so I gave up 'til later in the day when I could transfer my pdfs to jpg. A real PITA.

Later Nov 1 I tried again and got the successfully accepted message. Now I await the QR code with email 'within 7 working days'.

Wouldn't want to be a worrier or have high blood pressure if you were travelling soon.

BTW: API error seems to have been fixed now and there was a workaround published elsewhere (Involved using Chrome, I believe).

I used Firefox browser and gmail.Most of the early problems have been fixed in Thailand Pass, except one: they have a huge backlog, and are not processing apps very quickly.

If you want a QR code fast, just select the Alternative Quarantine option instead of Test and Go, everything is the same, except it works.

Mr Scand

11-05-21, 20:23

Most of the early problems have been fixed in Thailand Pass, except one: they have a huge backlog, and are not processing apps very quickly.

If you want a QR code fast, just select the Alternative Quarantine option instead of Test and Go, everything is the same, except it works.I applied today for my Thailand pass. From press the button to receive the QR code in my mail took less than an hour.

The hard part was to collect all doc's and convert to jpeg for upload.

HorseTrader

11-05-21, 20:39

Why are they making such a radical change so far out? I take it you are flying from a large city and not some dirt strip in Yellow Brick Road State. Have they spelled out where the extra hours / lay over is coming from?

I, say, f you intended to fly LAX-Narita-BKK, then they might choose to cancel one leg nearer the date if the traffic was not there (this has happened to me on multiple occasions recently in Europe with different air lines). But this far in advance indicates your carrier is at sea.I was only sent a revised itinerary, no explanation. My 2nd of 3 flights was from one huge city to another huge city, long flight. That flight no longer appears on the airline schedule. I don't know why.

I called the airline today and arranged a 100% refund, so that is positive. The agent didn't know why the change was made.

Franciscass

11-07-21, 16:48

Tried but couldn't find answers.

How long can one stay using the Thailand pass.

Can the stay be extended once here.

Many thanks.

Explorer8939

11-07-21, 19:05

Tried but couldn't find answers.

How long can one stay using the Thailand pass.

Can the stay be extended once here.

Many thanks.Thailand Pass does not give you a visa. Your first step is to get a visa, or decide to enter Visa Exempt. If you choose the latter, tell Thailand Pass you are staying for 30 days.

Mr Scand

11-07-21, 19:08

Tried but couldn't find answers.

How long can one stay using the Thailand pass.

Can the stay be extended once here.

Many thanks.For me it is 30 days, however I think that is related to Visa rules more than the Thailand pass. Normally we have 30 days on arrival.

CIMguy

11-08-21, 06:59

Tried but couldn't find answers.

How long can one stay using the Thailand pass.

Can the stay be extended once here.

Many thanks.Some people have 30 days and some have 45 days. They have special rules right now allowing you to extend your stay another 30 days with a quick trip the immigration office and a 1000 bht fee. I will be going to do that again and I think there is more involved the second time. I can report here when I find out how it works.

The Phuket office right off beach road in Patong was pretty easy. Get there before 3 pm because the lady who does the visa extensions leaves at that time. One note, let them do the visa copies there for 100 bht or whatever it is. The nearest place to get copies will take you an hour and / or cost you more than 100 bht in taxis. Several of us didn't understand that he could do the copies there and almost left to get them done near the hospital. It's much quicker and easier to have him do it.

Crazy4Thai

11-08-21, 15:44

Thailand Pass does not give you a visa. Your first step is to get a visa, or decide to enter Visa Exempt. If you choose the latter, tell Thailand Pass you are staying for 30 days.Are you sure? I am about to fall down that rabbit hole and was sure that I read that during the process you will choose your length of stay, which equals a visa or no visa for 30 days. For example I intend to stay 60 days that translates to a tourist visa. Once in country you can always extend by 30 days for a fee. I think it's 1900 baht. If you don't get your visa through Thailand Pass, where do you get it "first?

Mr Enternational

11-08-21, 16:28

If you don't get your visa through Thailand Pass, where do you get it "first?The Thai embassy or consulate as has always been the case. Unless you are eligible for visa on arrival, in which case you get it from the immigration agent when you arrive at the airport in Bangkok.

Explorer8939

11-08-21, 16:28

Are you sure? I am about to fall down that rabbit hole and was sure that I read that during the process you will choose your length of stay, which equals a visa or no visa for 30 days. For example I intend to stay 60 days that translates to a tourist visa. Once in country you can always extend by 30 days for a fee. I think it's 1900 baht. If you don't get your visa through Thailand Pass, where do you get it "first?https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

Banana Boi

11-09-21, 02:06

I applied today for my Thailand pass. From press the button to receive the QR code in my mail took less than an hour.There is very quick 'automatic' approval for Thailand Pass if you completed your app correctly and Thailand has received the pki (public key infrastructure) from your country.

Member #4753

11-09-21, 03:01

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/Attention: Due to system upgrade, Thai e-Visa service will be temporarily unavailable from 10 December 2021 at 11.00 AM to 12 December 2021 at 11.00 PM (UTC). Should there be any enquiries, please contact Thai Embassy / Consulate at your country of residence.

A truly "only in Thailand moment".

Banana Boi

11-09-21, 03:45

Thai e-Visa service will be temporarily unavailable from 10 December 2021 at 11.00 AM to 12 December 2021 at 11.00 PM (UTC).Pretty impressive they can predict a system upgrade over a month away. Luckily I'll already be in Thailand by December 10.

Franciscass

11-09-21, 05:56

Thailand Pass does not give you a visa. Your first step is to get a visa, or decide to enter Visa Exempt. If you choose the latter, tell Thailand Pass you are staying for 30 days.Lovely people, great food, world class hotels and resorts whether you enjoy mountains or beaches, interesting entertaining nightlife but is there a more chaotic confusing immigration department on the planet?

Thanks to all who responded.

Franciscass

11-09-21, 06:05

Some people have 30 days and some have 45 days. .Any idea on what makes the difference. If arriving from UK is it 30 or 45 ?

Crazy4Thai

11-09-21, 14:39

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/Thanks. Silly me, somehow I thought Thai Pass would be 1 stop shopping. I get it now.

Member #4753

11-09-21, 16:26

Any idea on what makes the difference. If arriving from UK is it 30 or 45 ?I believe when 14 day quarantine was in place they would add 15 days to your normal 30 days stay. So your stay on arrival was 45 days. 15 days being the actual time of quarantine as the first day did not count.

Now that quarantine is no longer required they should revert back to 30 days on arrival.

Having said that, it is a little messy right now to what is exactly happening and when the dust settles it will be much clearer.

Banana Boi

11-11-21, 19:09

HorseTrader

11-17-21, 17:03

The level of antibodies and therefore protection from serious illness seemingly does decline round about 6 months after initial full vaccination, hence the importance of the booster. Whether you are also more likely to become infected and more likely to transmit as far as I can tell is still not fully understood but true or not it's a common belief in Thailand that Sinovac loses on both scores within 6 months.This is a reply from the Bangkok thread.

Yes, the concepts you describe are valid, but the time frame is not universally agreed. There was a USA study that shows about 50% of initial protection after 6 months, but there is a British study that shows very little loss of protection after 6 months. Sorry that I can't find the link to the reference, this is something I read about a week ago. Both studies were for mRNA vaccines, one addressed only Pfizer while the other addressed both Pfizer and Moderna, I can't remember which was which.

To boost or not to boost is another decision point for those who trust vaccines and those who don't.

Member #4753

11-17-21, 17:21

This is a reply from the Bangkok thread.

Yes, the concepts you describe are valid, but the time frame is not universally agreed. There was a USA study that shows about 50% of initial protection after 6 months, but there is a British study that shows very little loss of protection after 6 months. Sorry that I can't find the link to the reference, this is something I read about a week ago. Both studies were for mRNA vaccines, one addressed only Pfizer while the other addressed both Pfizer and Moderna, I can't remember which is which.

This is another decision point for those who trust vaccines and those who don't.The studies that you refer to were published in the The Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine. The general conclusion was that Pfizer's efficacy reduced from 90% to 50% after 6 months against infection, but still at 90% protection against serious desease. Moderna's efficacy was at about 70% after 6 months. Althought both mRna vaccines are very similar, Pfizer uses about 30 units of the active component while Moderna uses 100 units. So it stands to reason that because Moderna uses 3 times the dose it will wane slower.

HorseTrader

11-17-21, 17:27

The studies that you refer to were published in the The Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine. The general conclusion was that Pfizer's efficacy reduced from 90% to 50% after 6 months against infection, but still at 90% protection against serious desease. Moderna's efficacy was at about 70% after 6 months. Althought both mRna vaccines are very similar, Pfizer uses about 30 units of the active component while Moderna uses 100 units. So it stands to reason that because Moderna uses 3 times the dose it will wane slower.I read a lot of stuff and then cannot remember the source, which can be a problem in a world full of fake information. Thanks for that good comment.

TourduMonde

11-18-21, 09:36

I read a guy who tested positive is now in hospital for at least 10 days. He is asymptomatic. "Kirovs estimates he may have to pay 350,000 Baht towards hospital and quarantine fees if his insurance provider won't cover it. " The gamble one has to take going to Thailand right now.Is there a reason to think this Covid insurance we have to take out to get entry clearance into Thailand won't cover us if we actually need it?

ThaiGoodTimes

11-21-21, 14:59

CIMGuy, don't let the losers bother you, go ahead and post.

Thailand Pass, I successfully completed my application and am waiting for my QR code. If you have problems with your app, let me know, maybe I can help.Having met and shared a drink and active discussion on punting targets with CIMguy I'm pretty well qualified to speak on him. For a stranger he's not a bad guy, as likely I was to him. We discussed our "grand game" and how to play it, and he was no naive novice. He has a plan and knew how to execute it. Sometimes it worked.

Sometimes it didn't. I know he still wishes he did different on night and took Earn's sister when he had the chance. Alas he didn't, and the chance didn't return. Whereas I know if she was 50% or more akin to Earn he would have enjoyed it more!

Keep punting (CIMguy) mate.

Explorer8939

11-27-21, 01:48

Bars will open nationwide on January 16, assuming no disasters before then. There will be some restrictions. Some will be followed, others will be ignored.

The one night quarantine for vaccinated arrivals will end on December 15. There will be an ATK test on arrival, rather than a PCR test.

Cucumber

11-27-21, 20:43

The studies that you refer to were published in the The Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine. The general conclusion was that Pfizer's efficacy reduced from 90% to 50% after 6 months against infection, but still at 90% protection against serious desease. Moderna's efficacy was at about 70% after 6 months. Althought both mRna vaccines are very similar, Pfizer uses about 30 units of the active component while Moderna uses 100 units. So it stands to reason that because Moderna uses 3 times the dose it will wane slower.In other words, if you have had two shots of Moderna, it is equivalent to six shots of Pfizer. It is also not surprising that people have more side effects from Moderna. But personally I would rather have side effects than covid.

PedroMorales

11-27-21, 22:37

In other words, if you have had two shots of Moderna, it is equivalent to six shots of Pfizer. It is also not surprising that people have more side effects from Moderna. But personally I would rather have side effects than covid.I thought you were speaking of whiskeywhisky. Would it not depend on what those side effects were? I had Covid last August and have done some heavy duty physical stuff since. Not Boot Camp but enough to impress people 1/3 my age. I don't want side effects. I am preparing for the issues that lie ahead as New Nazis tighten the noose.

Crocodilexp

11-27-21, 23:11

Is there a reason to think this Covid insurance we have to take out to get entry clearance into Thailand won't cover us if we actually need it?

For entry, you're only required to have insurance covering Covid with symptoms.

Plenty of policies do not include "asymptomatic Covid", you have to pay more to cover that. Even if they cover it, current rules are to detain and isolate everyone seated within 2 rows ahead and behind anyone that tests positive. I'm fairly sure it doesn't fall under "asymptomatic", but presumably you could pay even more for that coverage.

Last, but not least, even if something is nominally covered, it might be an uphill battle to get the insurer to pay out the claim.

TConor

11-28-21, 02:12

Explorer8939

11-28-21, 02:42

Total crap.Since this the Covid rants topic, what part of the opinion you responded to is crap?

HorseTrader

11-28-21, 04:58

….current rules are to detain and isolate everyone seated within 2 rows ahead and behind anyone that tests positive. …That is consistent with rumors, but have you seen it printed by a trustworthy source?

That is my #1 concern with the whole entry system. One person tests positive and about 45 people get locked up.

Member #4753

11-28-21, 09:14

That is consistent with rumors, but have you seen it printed by a trustworthy source?

That is my #1 concern with the whole entry system. One person tests positive and about 45 people get locked up.They definitely used to do this when entering the Phuket sandbox. There was a well german lady that appeared on various news outlets that this happened to. She appeared on the Thaiger as a video interview while in her isolation hotel.

However, I don't believe they still do this since dropping the quarantine requirement.

Downandup

11-28-21, 10:21

The one night quarantine for vaccinated arrivals will end on December 15. There will be an ATK test on arrival, rather than a PCR test.I expect that to be postponed any time soon due to the new omicron variant, they will need to discover how bad it really is before restrictions are relaxed any further.

HorseTrader

11-28-21, 17:01

They definitely used to do this when entering the Phuket sandbox. There was a well german lady that appeared on various news outlets that this happened to. She appeared on the Thaiger as a video interview while in her isolation hotel.

However, I don't believe they still do this since dropping the quarantine requirement.Thank you, this is important information. Moments ago I purchased my January tickets and I'm worried about getting locked up upon arrival. I bought just one night in a Test and Go hotel, hope that I don't need more than that.

This is a good place for people to post Thai COVID travel information, especially links to formally published information.

Johnie

11-29-21, 09:44

Thank you, this is important information. Moments ago I purchased my January tickets and I'm worried about getting locked up upon arrival. I bought just one night in a Test and Go hotel, hope that I don't need more than that.

This is a good place for people to post Thai COVID travel information, especially links to formally published information.Hi Horse,

I am in a similar boat. I booked a flight to BKK from Australia earlier this week and was prepared for one night quarantine and was further encouraged by a recent post by that pest Explorer (he appears more recently to have moderated his posts however) but with Omicron now apparent I fear having to go inside for the whole 14 days as before.

Changes everything! Johnie.

Banana Boi

11-29-21, 19:34

I postponed my trip.

HorseTrader

11-29-21, 20:48

I postponed my trip.That is a strong possibility with me too. I paid about 15% extra to book fully refundable airline tickets and my hotel bookings will also be refundable or pay at hotel.

Nothing is certain.

Crocodilexp

11-30-21, 01:39

That is consistent with rumors, but have you seen it printed by a trustworthy source?

That is my #1 concern with the whole entry system. One person tests positive and about 45 people get locked up.Article from Nov 12:

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/tourism/government-considers-easing-entry-rules-antigen-testing-may-replace-pcr-test

The key bit: "CCSA will also review the rule that currently requires travellers who sat 2 rows behind or in front of an infected passenger to be moved to quarantine facilities. ".

So, that rule is currently in force, but they might eventually relax it.

Banana Boi

11-30-21, 04:58

HorseTrader

11-30-21, 06:22

If you can book your seats in the first row or the last row of each section on the plane to decrease the number of rows that may affect you. That is, don't sit in the middle of the plane! If I book business class on a lay flat seat I should be exempt from this 2 row rule, shouldn't I?Good point! I just changed my seat to use your concept for my flight leg that arrives in BKK.

This has always been a silly rule. You might spend 17 hours on a flight from Chicago to Hong Kong surrounded by sick people and Thailand will never know. But, you spend 2.5 hours from Hong Kong to BKK with one sick person 2 rows away on the other side of the airplane and you get quarantined for 2 weeks.

Mr Enternational

11-30-21, 15:53

This has always been a silly rule. You might spend 17 hours on a flight from Chicago to Hong Kong surrounded by sick people and Thailand will never know. But, you spend 2.5 hours from Hong Kong to BKK with one sick person 2 rows away on the other side of the airplane and you get quarantined for 2 weeks.No sillier than the rule some places of a person being able to enter an establishment solely based on the fact that they have a vaccine card when they could just as well have the disease and a person not being able to enter without the card when they could just as well not have the disease. Why is there more importance placed on having the vaccine than actually having the disease?

PedroMorales

11-30-21, 15:59

. Why is there more importance placed on having the vaccine than actually having the disease or not?Control Control Control.

Banana Boi

12-01-21, 05:08

I heard the antigen test is scrapped and it's back to mandatory RT-PCR test and I assume 1 night hotel quarantine on arrival.

LittleBigMan

12-01-21, 11:36

I heard the antigen test is scrapped and it's back to mandatory RT-PCR test and I assume 1 night hotel quarantine on arrival.Yep, you got that right! Personally, the way the leaders have been and will continue going about handling this pandemic unless Thailand is an anchor to you I would stay away than being put through this be. S. This would be the last place I would visit I not being a world traveler coming from California if I needed pussy that bad would rather head south and let the Mexicans screw me over!

Banana Boi

12-01-21, 13:11

Those of you who haven't gone through the process of completing an eVisa and Thailand Pass are in for a treat. It's nothing tricky but just bothersome and it takes time as well as timing. Give yourself AT LEAST 2 weeks to complete this process. There are no instructions on what they are asking for so it's all guesswork unless you do hours of research on a site like AN. You have to take a selfie with you holding your passport in the exact pose they want you to be in and showing exactly what they want to see on your passport, knowing to take a photo of a blank page on your passport if you haven't travelled internationally in the past 12 months, converting every single pdf attachment to a jpg, bank statement, proof of income, having to book AQ hotels directly with the AQ hotel where there is lost in translation, people having problems paying because they are using Chrome or not using a gmail account, etc. Yes, you can book through Agoda but make damn sure you are paying for a true Test and Go package. Many hotels are selling hotel nights without the Test and Go package. A true Test and Go package will cost at least 4000 baht for 1 night but most are in the 6000-7000 baht range. If you have booked a regular hotel and not a Test and Go you will be denied at the Thai border and will have to purchase the NEXT flight out of Thailand back to where you came from no matter what the cost.

Mr Scand

12-01-21, 14:11

DoktorEn

12-02-21, 04:52

I arrived Phuket today and have to say it was a quite smooth experience. Well organized and a fast process. Out in the cab to my hotel within less than an hour and that includes waiting for the luggage.

During the PCR test at airport they handed over some kind of rapid test to bring. Though, they forgot to explain when to use it and what to do with it when used?Ask your hotel. Mine said I should take it on the sixth day, take a photo of the result and send it to the hotel. I had never tried a self test before this, so I just watched a YouTube video explaining how to do it.

Downandup

12-02-21, 09:48

Banana Boi

12-02-21, 13:08

The Thailand Pass part is not to hard if you have everything ready, images of your passport, Test & Go hotel reservation, a vaccination certificate, and separate QR images for each vaccination. If you have all of those you can get the pass in a few hours.How long did it take you to get the Letter of Confirmation from your hotel? If it was quick please share with me / us which Test and Go hotel you booked with. How long did it take you to get your eVisa approved? Which Visa did you apply for? It's the eVisa that takes time, not the actual Thailand Pass. Thailand Pass is approved within hours for many countries with QR codes for vaccines.

El Frances

12-02-21, 15:14

How long did it take you to get the Letter of Confirmation from your hotel? If it was quick please share with me / us which Test and Go hotel you booked with. How long did it take you to get your eVisa approved? Which Visa did you apply for? It's the eVisa that takes time, not the actual Thailand Pass. Thailand Pass is approved within hours for many countries with QR codes for vaccines.For large hotels, you can book directly on their website, you get instant confirmation and an email follow quickly. Just look on the ASQ / SHA list which hotels you like and check if you can book directly online. That's how I booked in Bangkok and it was also clearly distinguished on the website between test and go package reservation and regular reservation.

Banana Boi

12-02-21, 15:27

For large hotels, you can book directly on their website, you get instant confirmation and an email follow quickly. Just look on the ASQ / SHA list which hotels you like and check if you can book directly online. That's how I booked in Bangkok and it was also clearly distinguished on the website between test and go package reservation and regular reservation.How long did it take for you to get the Letter of Confirmation? If you got it quickly, which hotel was it (PM me if you wish)?

I contacted over 10 hotels of choice from the AQ hotel sites well over 2 weeks ago. All but one were 4 or 5 star hotels. One just got back to me yesterday. Some have yet to reply.

Banana Boi

12-02-21, 15:28

Thailand hunting down 783 missing Africans who came in on flights since November 15. Should that even be an issue if they are using the Mor Chana app?

Member #4753

12-02-21, 16:41

Thailand hunting down 783 missing Africans who came in on flights since November 15. Should that even be an issue if they are using the Mor Chana app?The press release went something like: "no need to panic, all 783 missing africans are in Bangkok, they have not moved to other areas", friggin hilarious.

Guaranteed the Omicron variant is already in Bangkok and circulating through the community.

HorseTrader

12-02-21, 18:49

How long did it take for you to get the Letter of Confirmation? If you got it quickly, which hotel was it (PM me if you wish)?

I contacted over 10 hotels of choice from the AQ hotel sites well over 2 weeks ago. All but one were 4 or 5 star hotels. One just got back to me yesterday. Some have yet to reply.I've had a similar problem with test and go at my favored BKK hotel. I sent email to hotel requesting clarification and some additional details. Received a quick reply that was clear and complete. Turned out to be useless since the hotel's website was inconsistent with the email guidance.

I would also appreciate the name of a specific hotel that has the test and go bugs worked out. Ideally will be between Cowboy and Nana plaza.

Thomas9

12-02-21, 18:54

I would also appreciate the name of a specific hotel that has the test and go bugs worked out. Ideally will be between Cowboy and Nana plaza.I was happy with Aloft Bangkok Sukhumvit 11 for my 1-day quarantine. They emailed me the required letter within 24 hours of booking, without my having to ask.

I found it listed on here: https://asq.in.th/.

HorseTrader

12-02-21, 22:16

I was happy with Aloft Bangkok Sukhumvit 11 for my 1-day quarantine. They emailed me the required letter within 24 hours of booking, without my having to ask.

I found it listed on here: https://asq.in.th/.Thanks for that. I'm still in the process of dealing with this stuff for my next trip. Thanks to those who first found these links, I'm just copying here for anybody who needs them:

Thailand Pass: https://tp.consular.go.th/.
Thailand E-Visa: https://www.thaievisa.go.th/.
Test and go hotels: https://asq.in.th/.
COVID Insurance: https://asq.in.th/thailand-covid-insurance/.

I remember some sort of notice about the E-Visa website going down for a few days, perhaps about now. It doesn't work at the moment, but it worked in the past and I expect it will work again in a few days.

Banana Boi

12-03-21, 00:45

I remember some sort of notice about the E-Visa website going down for a few days, perhaps about now. It doesn't work at the moment, but it worked in the past and I expect it will work again in a few days.Next week. It's working now.

Due to system upgrade, Thai e-Visa service will be temporarily unavailable from 10 December 2021 at 11.00 AM to 12 December 2021 at 11.00 PM (UTC). Should there be any enquiries, please contact Thai Embassy/Consulate at your country of residence.

ChocoJelly

12-05-21, 00:45

Downandup

12-05-21, 10:25

Hello,

Just asking if anyone knows.

I got my insurance cover from 1cover.com.au.

They are advertising that it covers for Covid etc.

But a threads ago, HorseTrader Included a link for insurance coverage by other.

Thailand approved company's.

Am I to use one of these company's or will my 1 cover insurance policy suffice?

Thanks.All you need is an insurance policy that states that you are covered for at least $50,000 of medical, it does not have to be from Thailand and does not require a statement that it covers Covid. I have my Thailand pass with that.

ChocoJelly

12-05-21, 10:29

All you need is an insurance policy that states that you are covered for at least $50,000 of medical, it does not have to be from Thailand and does not require a statement that it covers Covid. I have my Thailand pass with that.Thank you for the info.

Banana Boi

12-14-21, 17:55

South Africa study shows double vaccinated Pfizer is 33% effective for Omicron. That's not good.

HorseTrader

12-14-21, 18:17

South Africa study shows double vaccinated Pfizer is 33% effective for Omicron. That's not good.If I recall correctly, some USA data demonstrated certain antibodies increased by a factor of 25 after a booster shot. The context of that report was Omicron, but it certainly wasn't a direct statement that the booster gave huge protection against Omicron.

HorseTrader

12-14-21, 22:46

South Africa study shows double vaccinated Pfizer is 33% effective for Omicron. That's not good.I just saw the same report, which also stated that double Pfizer is 70% effective at preventing hospitilizations from Omicron.

Explorer8939

12-15-21, 06:24

If I recall correctly, some USA data demonstrated certain antibodies increased by a factor of 25 after a booster shot. The context of that report was Omicron, but it certainly wasn't a direct statement that the booster gave huge protection against Omicron.I got my booster this morning.

I expect to be protected from Omicron for at least 6 weeks.

Member #4753

12-15-21, 14:16

South Africa study shows double vaccinated Pfizer is 33% effective for Omicron. That's not good.33% efficacy AR preventing covid infection.

70% efficacy of preventing serious illness.

SpirouleGroom

12-15-21, 17:12

I just saw the same report, which also stated that double Pfizer is 70% effective at preventing hospitilizations from Omicron.New Pfizer pill is 89% effective. Its 6% less than those super shots. I cannot trust this mega corporation anymore. They are doing progress in reverse.

I intended to get my first shot at it but when I read that South Korea with a 90% of the general pop hooked on pfizer was experiencing a surge in hospitalization while omicron has replaced delta, I backed away.

I intend to make up for my loss shots by getting a super jab with 10 xbillion spike protein; Hope this will get me thru the winter.

Anyway, things are looking much better now. We can travel freely without mask and tests. I can't thank Pfizer enough for that.

Dg8787

12-15-21, 17:38

33% efficacy AR preventing covid infection.

70% efficacy of preventing serious illness.Both are better than ZERO.

Axel Heyst

12-15-21, 18:08

The WHO reported that the Total Number of Confirmed Omicron Deaths as of Dec 10 was ZERO.

Update: One Omicron Death as of Dec 14.

I leave it to each one of of us to interpret this information and assess the risk.

SedNabokos

12-16-21, 04:18

Thailand has launched a new tourism website, aiming to make travel to the country easier for the 8-15 million tourists expected to visit next year.

The central platform, named Entry Thailand (http://entrythailand.go.th/en/) includes necessary information before arrival, providing basic information and documents that tourists have to prepare in advance with complete links to third-party organizations involved with entry requirements, websites for authorized SHA+ hotels, COVID-19 insurance, Thailand Pass registration and MorChana ‒ the official tracking app.

Source: The Phuket News (https://www.thephuketnews.com/tourism-ministry-unveils-portal-to-assist-visitors-82396.php).

Banana Boi

12-16-21, 04:36

Axel Heyst

12-16-21, 05:13

My concern is not being hospitalized or dying. First reports are the Omicron virus cases are more mild. Issue is you are much more susceptible to getting COVID now between the time you took your RT-PCR test at home and at the Test and Go hotel. 33% vs. 95% efficacy.I object to the test on arrival too. But I am not that worried about testing positive upon arrival after testing negative before the flight. I personally just don't like the Thai government imposing this requirement on me. I find it demeaning and ungracious especially since I, as a visitor, would be about to dump a whole lot of hard currency into the Thai economy.

I can't help the way I feel. I just find the idea of travelling for 24 hours on a plane from Florida, arriving in BKK at around 10 pm, getting tested and forced to wait for results in a Go hotel instead of doing my thing which is to collect my bags, grab a taxi, check into my hotel, shave / shower, change clothes and be out on the Street looking for girls by midnight, unacceptable. That's why I will be flying back to SP for a third time in a year. Maybe I will return to LOS in the fall or sometime in 2023 or maybe never.

HorseTrader

12-16-21, 06:00

I have a feeling many guys here wouldn't even be going to Thailand without Pfizer's PE pill.... and the whole P4P industry would be much smaller. Thailand tourism would also take a noticeable hit.

Explorer8939

12-20-21, 06:10

The Health Minister is saying that Test and Go will be scrapped and they will go back to the quarantine system.

LookingLooking

12-20-21, 07:20

Currently under discussion.

Due to increased number of new variant entering Thailand despite visitors testing negative on arrival.

A decision should be available by tonight.

HorseTrader

12-20-21, 16:48

The Health Minister is saying that Test and Go will be scrapped and they will go back to the quarantine system.Yikes! Can you provide a reference link?

Banana Boi

12-20-21, 16:57

Yikes! Can you provide a reference link?It's not official yet but seems like it will happen. Time for everyone to cancel their trips and go to Cambodia.

HorseTrader

12-20-21, 18:03

It's not official yet but seems like it will happen. Time for everyone to cancel their trips and go to Cambodia.The travel world is driving me nuts. First I buy tickets on Cathay Pacific, but a little later they rerouted me to an unacceptable schedule. I cancel and have refund verbally approved. Next I buy tickets on British Airways, but they stop flying to BKK and they give me unacceptable rerouting via Qatar. I cancel and have refund verbally approved. Shortly before Explorer made his post, I bought from Lufthansa. If this 7-day quarantine actually happens, I might cancel those tickets too.

At the moment, I have the bills for 3 round trip flights on my credit card. I hope the formal refunds come soon.

End rant.

Thomas9

12-20-21, 18:18

Yikes! Can you provide a reference link?https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1472771217648394241

"The Minister of Public Health is proposing for Test & Go to be scrapped and quarantine brought back for all international arrivals. This is despite the fact that only 0. 14% of Test & Go arrivals tested positive. Even talking aloud about this plan will be disastrous for tourism."

https://www.matichon.co.th/covid19/news_3094960

Allover

12-20-21, 18:29

The travel world is driving me nuts. First I buy tickets on Cathay Pacific, but a little later they rerouted me to an unacceptable schedule. I cancel and have refund verbally approved. Next I buy tickets on British Airways, but they stop flying to BKK and they give me unacceptable rerouting via Qatar. I cancel and have refund verbally approved. Shortly before Explorer made his post, I bought from Lufthansa. If this 7-day quarantine actually happens, I might cancel those tickets too.

At the moment, I have the bills for 3 round trip flights on my credit card. I hope the formal refunds come soon..International travel is a real shitshow now and Omicron may change everything on a moments notice. Since I'm older I don't know how many trips I have left in me. I'm pissed off. Thailand is my preferred destination but, with everything closed, I won't go there until after reopening and I don't see that happening until late spring / summer. Is anyplace easy to visit now?

Banana Boi

12-20-21, 20:47

The travel world is driving me nuts.It's Thailand, not the world. Friends of mine are going everywhere except Thailand. Brazil, Medellin, Germany, Cambodia, Indonesia, Canada, etc. Hobby spots are open in these countries with few barriers to entry. These governments don't have weekly knee jerk reactions not thinking about how it affects those interested in coming to their country. Thailand regularly report they want fewer regular tourists and only want investors who can afford 10s of millions. I think they're getting the first part of their wish at least.

Anyone on the ground in Pattaya and Bangkok can attest very few tourists have arrived in Thailand even with the Test and Go.

Member #4753

12-21-21, 02:14

Thailand is getting about 10,000 international arrivals per day. About 80% are arriving on the Test and Go program. Only 0.2% are testing positive (reference Richard Barrow's )

If that gets scrapped, and it looks like it will, then the arrival numbers will drop to 2,000 to 4,000 per day. What little tourists that were here will soon be gone again.

The tourist companies that started back up again will probably have to close again.

The biggest issue is the lack of clear messaging. One minister says something, then it goes through the process and may or may not come into affect a week later. Very hard to plan anything when no one knows what the rules are.

The is little doubt the Omnicron variant is in Thailand and spreading. In a few weeks Thailand will most likely see a new surge start, the rest of the world is just a few weeks ahead.

HorseTrader

12-21-21, 07:39

It's Thailand, not the world. Friends of mine are going everywhere except Thailand. Brazil, Medellin, Germany, Cambodia, Indonesia, Canada, etc. Hobby spots are open in these countries with few barriers to entry. These governments don't have weekly knee jerk reactions …. I give Thailand credit for keeping people alive. Much fewer per capita COVID cases and deaths than other destinations, such as Brazil. The expense being economic. The various nations count cases and deaths differently, so there is some uncertainty in that. Nevertheless, I will feel safer in Thailand than other countries, assuming I actually go.

…. Since I'm older I don't know how many trips I have left in me. I'm pissed off. Thailand is my preferred destination but, with everything closed, I won't go there until after reopening and I don't see that happening until late spring / summer. …I'm in the same situation, I finally have the time and money to enjoy the best of Thailand, but COVID is taking that away (twice per year trips of 45 to 60 days, each). The other worry for old punters is the likelihood of outliving our dicks. On the bright side is that I have one 85 year old friend who is still an active punter, but no more than 2 or 3 times per week (very healthy life style).

Explorer8939

12-21-21, 10:01

Test and Go is scrapped. No new applications will be processed. Existing QR codes will still be valid.

Merry Christmas.

They timed it so people who planned to come after January 7 will have to do quarantine.

Member #4753

12-21-21, 11:01

Banana Boi

12-21-21, 13:09

The Prime Minister just announceed that the thai Pass system, which allows entry into to Thailand at the moment, will stop accepting new applications. The 90,000 people who already have a Thailand Pass will be allowed to enter, but no new applications will be accepted.Technically you still have nearly 5 hours (midnight BKK time) to register for your Thailand Pass. If not registered, you're SOL.

Heard 5 people who arrived in Phuket yesterday tested positive for the Omicron variant, even though they had a negative RT-PCR test before their flight. American, Swede, German, Thai, and French. Scary part is they were on different flights. Wonder how many others who sat around them will also require mandatory hospitalization.

Axel Heyst

12-21-21, 14:36

ElMexicant

12-21-21, 17:01

Wavering Thai Government policies on entry are very difficult to understand. Omicron is fast spreading, but not nearly as dangerous as it's preceding variants. To date I believe only 1 person in the world has died from it. There are now medicines for dealing with Covid infections that did not exist a year ago. It is their country and they can do what they want. I just find it very frustrating. The error in the the policy seems to be that in the long run, at some future date, the Thai government will have to open the border and thus expose it's people. Covid is the gift that keeps on giving. It is going to be around in some form for a long time to come.Hey bro,

So let's say you are vaccinated but catch Omicron. You little sick, so have to stay home from work 3-5 days. Or you can go to work and reinfect others. But this is Omicron. You can get infected again and again. Keep staying home from work 3-5 days each time or go and reinfect others because you think it's not too bad. Now multiply that by tens of millions of people that keep reinfecting each other. What do you think happens to an entire country? What about the healthcare system? Inflation? Debt? You know when it comes to government it's always about a plus minus in the revenue, not death. See cigarettes.

HorseTrader

12-21-21, 17:57

….Or you can go to work and reinfect others. But this is Omicron. You can get infected again and again. Keep staying home from work 3-5 days each time …. Are you sure about an individual getting reinfected with the identical virus? With other viruses, once you beat it you have immunity from that virus. Depending on the exact virus, that immunity may last a few months but it may last a lifetime.

What's different about omicron so that the same individual can get it again and again?

Mr Enternational

12-21-21, 18:59

So let's say you are vaccinated but catch Omicron. You little sick, so have to stay home from work 3-5 days. Or you can go to work and reinfect others. But this is Omicron. You can get infected again and again. Keep staying home from work 3-5 days each time or go and reinfect others because you think it's not too bad. I see your point!

Sunlover2

12-21-21, 19:11

Mr Enternational

12-21-21, 19:22

Immunity means you are more likely to avoid a catastrophic outcome, not that you can't catch the same virus again.Well that is not what the dictionary seems to think.

So if I am immune from prosecution it means I can still be prosecuted but it will not be that bad?

See that prefix im- means not. Impossible, Immeasurable, Impolite, Immature. We don't say these words for something that may be able to be done, or something with a slight chance of being measured, or someone that is 10% polite. But you are saying it for more-likelies or so-so's now?

A better word would be quasi-immune if what you say is what it is supposed to convey.

Sunlover2

12-22-21, 01:25

Well that is not what the dictionary seems to think.

So if I am immune from prosecution it means I can still be prosecuted but it will not be that bad?

See that prefix im- means not. Impossible, Immeasurable, Impolite, Immature. We don't say these words for something that may be able to be done, or something with a slight chance of being measured, or someone that is 10% polite. But you are saying it for more-likelies or so-so's now?

A better word would be quasi-immune if what you say is what it is supposed to convey.You are conflating two distinctly different concepts, which happen to share a word:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunity_(medical).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_immunity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflation

But since you posted it in a Stupid Shit thread you are right on point!

SL.

Explorer8939

12-22-21, 01:36

The real question is what happens when Omicron hits Thailand?

If Omicron is mild, best they ignore it, like they do the flu. And vaccinate everyone.

PedroMorales

12-22-21, 02:20

Good point but not a bullseye. The clot shot falls way short, not a little short and folk wonder if the supposed pay off is worth the risk of a clot.

Asymptotic is a word many Covidiots do not understand but most mongers who got one or more clap doses would for the simple reason women tend to be asymptotic clap carriers.

I have got hepatitis and other shots but I ain't taking no clot shot. I have hardened my heart and stocked up my larder and (European) wine cellar. If I have to go, I am taking a lot of good French and Spanish wines with me. I'll write (via a medium).

Here is a link to the audio version of RFK's book on Dr Fauci. RFK will probably continue toe family tradition of getting capped. https://e1.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZnmpFZqfY8MNOKk7BLkl9UWvF5bjlSEFpX#returl=https%3 A // e1. Pcloud. Link / publink / show%3 Fcode%3 DkZnmpFZqfY8 MNOKk7 BLkl9 UWvF5 bjlSEFpX&page=login.

You are conflating two distinctly different concepts, which happen to share a word:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunity_(medical).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_immunity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflation.

Banana Boi

12-22-21, 02:41

The real question is what happens when Omicron hits Thailand?Omicron cases double every 2 or 3 days. Thailand is only a week or more behind USA and Europe in reporting the first Omicron cases so one would expect 1000's of cases per day within another week or two. Whether that is what will be reported by Thailand is another question altogether.

Axel Heyst

12-22-21, 04:38

Hey Pedro,

I have watched RFK Jr. 's 30 minute interview with Tucker Carlson and I think RFK Jr. Has a lot of interesting things to say about vaccines and the history of vaccines. His main concern with the mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines like Moderna + Phizer is that they were rushed into production (to stop a pandemic) without complete and thorough testing of the potential side effects, so nobody really knows what the long term effects of the vaccine might be on, say, children. It should be noted that complete and thorough testing takes 5 years minimum.

So ok, I understand his concerns and he is probably right that healthy children should not be vaccinated. Furthermore, nobody should be forced to take the vax because we supposedly live in free countries like the USA, Australia, UK, Canada, ect. 555, or at least we thought we did before Covid came around.

Yet, despite RFK Jr's warnings which I think are serious, I have chosen to take the Moderna vax 3 times so far and I will probably get another Moderna shot 8 to 10 months from now if one is recommended and made available. Why, because I am over 55 and have weighed the pros and cons and I have decided in favor taking the vax in order to travel and shag pretty young girls by the bus load without worrying whether I will wind up in a hospital ward in some 3rd world foreign country.

The alternative is no vax which means no travel and no pretty young girls by the bus load. But I am aware that I am taking a small risk so if 10 or 20 years or another 500 to 1000 girls, it turns out that I develop some health issues related to the vax, then so be it. That's life. There is inherit risk in everything we do. But I would rather take the relatively small unknown risk of the vax in order to fuck as many girls as I want now and for the next 10 years than to play it safe and abstain for 5 years or longer until the clinical studies RFK Jr. Talks about reach their final scientific conclusions.

But that is just me. I totally respect your decision not to vax. "Whatever gets you through the night," as John Lennon famously coined.

Paolo99

12-22-21, 10:09

Yet, despite RFK Jr's warnings which I think are serious, I have chosen to take the Moderna vax 3 times so far and I will probably get another Moderna shot 8 to 10 months from now if one is recommended and made available. Why, because I am over 55 and have weighed the pros and cons and I have decided in favor taking the vax in order to travel and shag pretty young girls by the bus load without worrying whether I will wind up in a hospital ward in some 3rd world foreign country.

The alternative is no vax which means no travel and no pretty young girls by the bus load. But I am aware that I am taking a small risk so if 10 or 20 years or another 500 to 1000 girls, it turns out that I develop some health issues related to the vax, then so be it. That's life. There is inherit risk in everything we do. But I would rather take the relatively small unknown risk of the vax in order to fuck as many girls as I want now and for the next 10 years than to play it safe and abstain for 5 years or longer until the clinical studies RFK Jr. Talks about reach their final scientific conclusions.I've heard that many times already, but what makes you think that you'll really be able to fuck these 1000's pretty young girls even if you get 10 shots of your mode-rna gene therapy solution. They are treating people like shit before allowing them in their country (at least for Thailand).

I know plenty of people that rushed to get their vaccines a few month ago to be able to get back quickly to the "normal life."

What do they got so far? 3 shots in only 6 months, and they can only go to restaurants or get a membership in their sport clubs. What a big deal. None of them could go on vacation "like before" because the conditions are shitty.

People that are ready to accept whatever they impose on us for so little are real low lives, no matter their social positions or amount of money they have on their bank account.

ElMexicant

12-22-21, 11:04

Are you sure about an individual getting reinfected with the identical virus? With other viruses, once you beat it you have immunity from that virus. Depending on the exact virus, that immunity may last a few months but it may last a lifetime.

What's different about omicron so that the same individual can get it again and again?Hey bro,

Think of this way. SARS-COV-2 is vagina. We can call it yoni, pussy, or panocha, but it is still vagina. Now with vagina, it can be brown, black, white, yellow, hairy, bald, prickly, or trimmed. But is still just vagina though there are so many variations aka variants. Counter the vagina with penis. Once again, many variations, but still just a penis. This is where the vaccine for SARS-COV-2 comes in. Many brands, many names, but still just a vaccine for COVID. If you go back and look at past 2 years. Same vaccines, once, twice, thrice, and probably more form here on out to do what? Still fighting that SARS-COV-2. They have told people repeatedly. There is no such thing as 100% immunity with anything. It's only "varying degree of immunity." And everybody response is different. So this means vaccines to lessen the severity, not 100% immunity. So with almost 30 different types of variants is just all semantics to leading back to two things, SARS-COV-2 and vaccines. The mutations will never stop, just like the same as the cold virus, which you can catch over and over again. To the point that they don't even name all the cold virus variants because it's not that severe and too many, naming is pointless. SARS-COV-2 hasn't gotten there just yet.

PedroMorales

12-22-21, 11:53

Like many others, you are taking the clot shot for freedom, freedom to fuck, to visit ski slopes, beaches etc. Just as you aree swayed by your dick's needs, so I am by my refusal to lie down to tyranny. Non Serviam.

Hey Pedro,

I have watched RFK Jr. 's 30 minute interview with Tucker Carlson and I think RFK Jr. Has a lot of interesting things to say about vaccines and the history of vaccines. His main concern with the mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines like Moderna + Phizer is that they were rushed into production (to stop a pandemic) without complete and thorough testing of the potential side effects, so nobody really knows what the long term effects of the vaccine might be on, say, children. It should be noted that complete and thorough testing takes 5 years minimum.

So ok, I understand his concerns and he is probably right that healthy children should not be vaccinated. Furthermore, nobody should be forced to take the vax because we supposedly live in free countries like the USA, Australia, UK, Canada, ect. 555, or at least we thought we did before Covid came around.

Yet, despite RFK Jr's warnings which I think are serious, I have chosen to take the Moderna vax 3 times so far and I will probably get another Moderna shot 8 to 10 months from now if one is recommended and made available. Why, because I am over 55 and have weighed the pros and cons and I have decided in favor taking the vax in order to travel and shag pretty young girls by the bus load without worrying whether I will wind up in a hospital ward in some 3rd world foreign country..

Mr Enternational

12-22-21, 15:29

so nobody really knows what the long term effects of the vaccine might be on, say, children. It should be noted that complete and thorough testing takes 5 years minimum.
But I am aware that I am taking a small risk so if 10 or 20 years or another 500 to 1000 girls, it turns out that I develop some health issues related to the vax, then so be it. That's life. There is inherit risk in everything we do. But I would rather take the relatively small unknown risk of the vax in order to fuck as many girls as I want now and for the next 10 years than to play it safe and abstain for 5 years or longer until the clinical studies RFK Jr. Talks about reach their final scientific conclusions.
Finally somebody honest about the shit. We do not know. You are willing to take the risk by getting it and others are willing to take the risk by not getting it. It seems most people don't have a choice in which risk to take. It is either dictated to them which risk to take or they are scared into believing one risk is better than the other.

Banana Boi

12-23-21, 02:48

Israeli man tests positive for COVID on Dec. 17 and leaves his hotel on Sukhumvit in Bangkok. Heads down to Pattaya. Then heads up to Koh Samui. Spreading his love in a different way.

Downandup

12-23-21, 04:37

Finally somebody honest about the shit. We do not know. You are willing to take the risk by getting it and others are willing to take the risk by not getting it. It seems most people don't have a choice in which risk to take. It is either dictated to them which risk to take or they are scared into believing one risk is better than the other.You guys need to get real. Were you ever vacccinated for measles, mumps, tuberculocis etc? What's so different about this vaccine that will start the zombie apocalypse?

PedroMorales

12-23-21, 10:30

You guys need to get real. Were you ever vacccinated for measles, mumps, tuberculocis etc? What's so different about this vaccine that will start the zombie apocalypse?https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/israeli-who-escaped-with-covid-19-now-in-custody-in-koh-samu

The above is the link of the Israeli super spreader in Thailand. A citizen of Israel where they are vaccinated like a voodoo doll. It is the clot shot fanatics who believe the Apocalypse at hand. Your key contribution is to show you have done zero research, none, nada. Then you have the arrogance to ask what the big deal is. Are you a cop? Australian? Austrian? German? Dutch.

Axel Heyst

12-23-21, 16:11

You guys need to get real. Were you ever vacccinated for measles, mumps, tuberculocis etc? What's so different about this vaccine that will start the zombie apocalypse?Downandup, I am no anti vax'er. As I clearly stated in my last post I have taken the Moderna jab 3 x with no regrets. I have also taken other vaccines including annual influenza, shingles, tetanus, and yellow fever (many years ago). That said, you should take a look at the RFK Jr. Interview and judge for yourself. It is very interesting if nothing else.

https://vimeo.com/649132950?embedded=true&source=vimeo_logo&owner=4140352

Paulie97

12-23-21, 21:56

Downandup, I am no anti vax'er. As I clearly stated in my last post I have taken the Moderna jab 3 x with no regrets. I have also taken other vaccines including annual influenza, shingles, tetanus, and yellow fever (many years ago). That said, you should take a look at the RFK Jr. Interview and judge for yourself. It is very interesting if nothing else.

https://vimeo.com/649132950?embedded=true&source=vimeo_logo&owner=4140352RFK, Jr is a clown that has repeatedly been debunked. Here's a sample.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/10/robert-f-kennedy-jr/no-covid-19-vaccine-not-deadliest-vaccine-ever-mad/

Paulie97

12-23-21, 22:01

Downandup, I am no anti vax'er. As I clearly stated in my last post I have taken the Moderna jab 3 x with no regrets. I have also taken other vaccines including annual influenza, shingles, tetanus, and yellow fever (many years ago). That said, you should take a look at the RFK Jr. Interview and judge for yourself. It is very interesting if nothing else.

https://vimeo.com/649132950?embedded=true&source=vimeo_logo&owner=4140352RFK Jr is a clown that has been repeatedly debunked. Here's a sample.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/10/robert-f-kennedy-jr/no-covid-19-vaccine-not-deadliest-vaccine-ever-mad/

And Tucker Carlson? Johnny Mac said it best. Wink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU

Nyc6969

12-23-21, 22:50

So am I now stuck in a sick Thai purgatory of vague regulations and ever changing policies.

So the other morning (NYC Time) I wake up to news that Thai Pass is hitting down at noon. I quickly buy an insurance policy and get my other docs in order and submit my application for Jan 21st arrival under Test and Go at 7:15 am. At 9:15 am, much to my surprise, I receive approval with the QR code. I was amazed it got done without any problems so close to the deadline.

Now I read the official policy and it says that they are only letting approved people in until January 10th under Test and Go. Huh? WTF? Why did you just approve my Jan 21 arrival? My first reaction is to freak out but after a deep breath, I am just going to wait and see what happens. Things could always change tomorrow and usually do. I have a few weeks to cancel what I've booked so I have some time. Just shows how hard it is to actually book a trip to Thailand right now.

Explorer8939

12-23-21, 23:38

Israeli man tests positive for COVID on Dec. 17 and leaves his hotel on Sukhumvit in Bangkok. Heads down to Pattaya. Then heads up to Koh Samui. Spreading his love in a different way.He is in the hospital now, and soon will be in the monkey house.

MakeItOrBreak

12-24-21, 03:04

Houston Player

12-24-21, 03:15

He is in the hospital now, and soon will be in the monkey house.No he is not in the hospital but he is in custody. He has tested negative 3 times in a row so the original test was a false positive. He is being charged with failing to abide by disease-control measures in violation of the emergency decree. The offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in prison and / or fine of 40,000 baht. I hope he receives the maximum penalty, he will probably be fined 40,000 baht and be deported.

Banana Boi

12-24-21, 03:59

I don't understand why he bolted before even knowing the test results. Did he not know he had to stay? The hotel Association is eluding there was a breakdown in communication.

Thai news is questioning how odd it is he tested positive at the hotel but since it is now in the news he amazingly tested negative 3 times.

Franciscass

12-24-21, 05:44

As a goodwill gesture in this time of festive cheer may I offer my sincere sympathy to the antivaxers among us as their dear beloved leader has just these poor souls adrift and rudderless in a sea of confusion.

Leoaff12

12-25-21, 09:11

Anybody knows where to find a good place to do PCR-test in Bangkok? I need to do it 48 hours before I fly back to my country.

Downandup

12-26-21, 02:32

Anybody knows where to find a good place to do PCR-test in Bangkok? I need to do it 48 hours before I fly back to my country.That's been answered here. You can read it in the appropriate thread.

Mr Enternational

12-27-21, 23:16

Questner

12-28-21, 02:00

First steps to realizing we may just have to live with it forever. Anyone think Thailand will follow suit?

"News Alert: CDC shortens recommended Covid-19 isolation and quarantine time.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday shortened the recommended times that people should isolate when they've tested positive for Covid-19 from 10 days to five days if they don't have symptoms -- and if they wear a mask around others for at least five more days. ".No, they are going to save face at any cost. Skip a test there now and face up to two years and up to 45 K baht fine. Making changes to the best or making changes at customer request is the hardest thing to do. Thailand will be the last country to return on my list while this shit show malady lasts with the governments.

Breadman

12-28-21, 06:12

No, they are going to save face at any cost. Skip a test there now and face up to two years and up to 45 K baht fine. Making changes to the best or making changes at customer request is the hardest thing to do. Thailand will be the last country to return on my list while this shit show malady lasts with the governments.So we've all read here about the horror stories of being sent to a Thai hospital after testing positive for covid, having no symptoms and getting stuck with the hospital bill. And it seems like the Thai people pretty much 'fall in line' with the rule of getting tested and off to hospital seeing that they don't get a bill. But what do you do if your staying with a Thai who says you should go get tested because they think they have covid? What do you do if you have light symptoms but your basically staying solo? If your planning a trip to Thailand (or any country) this is something you should think about.

My first thought would be to self quarantine and avoid any hospital stays unless the symptoms are severe. I would do the same at home, self quarantine and wait for it to pass. But in a foreign country is this an option for a foreigner? Would telling the girl that you were with that you tested negative be acceptable even if you didn't take a test? If you want to avoid a costly hospital stay along these lines in my mind the solution is simple. Don't keep a single girl as a permanent GF. Break the link to the girl who said to you that you should take a covid test. Telling her you have another girl your seeing is much easier than going down the path of lying about getting tested.

The old days of finding a few steady girls might be gone if you want to avoid a trip to the hospital and a financial hit.

Houston Player

12-28-21, 10:42

So we've all read here about the horror stories of being sent to a Thai hospital after testing positive for covid, having no symptoms and getting stuck with the hospital bill. And it seems like the Thai people pretty much 'fall in line' with the rule of getting tested and off to hospital seeing that they don't get a bill. But what do you do if your staying with a Thai who says you should go get tested because they think they have covid? What do you do if you have light symptoms but your basically staying solo? If your planning a trip to Thailand (or any country) this is something you should think about.

My first thought would be to self quarantine and avoid any hospital stays unless the symptoms are severe. I would do the same at home, self quarantine and wait for it to pass. But in a foreign country is this an option for a foreigner? Would telling the girl that you were with that you tested negative be acceptable even if you didn't take a test? If you want to avoid a costly hospital stay along these lines in my mind the solution is simple. Don't keep a single girl as a permanent GF. Break the link to the girl who said to you that you should take a covid test. Telling her you have another girl your seeing is much easier than going down the path of lying about getting tested.

The old days of finding a few steady girls might be gone if you want to avoid a trip to the hospital and a financial hit.I don't know about all of your scenarios, but as an expat living here I was allowed to self quarantine in my condo.

Breadman

12-28-21, 16:05

I don't know about all of your scenarios, but as an expat living here I was allowed to self quarantine in my condo.Well a Thai girl I know had a positive test result without symptoms and was sent to a 'hospital' for a week. So not so sure the Thai gov't would allow a tourist to self quarantine. Roll of the dice maybe on who does which?

PedroMorales

12-28-21, 16:45

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10350201/Europe-Covid-British-tourists-refused-entry-Austrian-airport.html

So, 110 Britishers landed in Österreich and were told to FKK off, that the rules had changed and tough shtt the site had not been updated to inform them of this. Note they had been allowed fly. Pedro does not need any more of this nonsense. That is Österreich, one of Europe's richest regions. If they are such clowns, what hope is there in the Land of Smiles?

Arn Poddict

12-28-21, 20:32

My first thought would be to self quarantine and avoid any hospital stays unless the symptoms are severe. I would do the same at home, self quarantine and wait for it to pass. But in a foreign country is this an option for a foreigner? Would telling the girl that you were with that you tested negative be acceptable even if you didn't take a test? If you want to avoid a costly hospital stay along these lines in my mind the solution is simple. Don't keep a single girl as a permanent GF. Break the link to the girl who said to you that you should take a covid test. Telling her you have another girl your seeing is much easier than going down the path of lying about getting tested.

The old days of finding a few steady girls might be gone if you want to avoid a trip to the hospital and a financial hit.What is the difference in practice if you fuck same one girl for 7 days or you fuck 7 days different girl each day and catch Covid-19? Is there some way the local authorities will find out that you have been in contact with a person who has Covid? Can the infected girl that you fucked turn you in and force to be tested? Of course if anyone of us has moderate or severe Covid symptoms these days a test is wise to do and proper, symptom based health care accordingly. That is why we have insurances to enter Thailand in case shit happens during the trip and hospital calls.

For me the risk catching Covid seems to be the same in both fuck variations above. But is there a difference in the aftermath of your infection depending how long time you have spent time with a single girl? If not I would not skip a longer term girl if I would find a good one. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Questner

12-29-21, 00:50

Just wait until your girl tests positive and then charges you for all the days of her quarantine per hour.

Crocodilexp

12-29-21, 01:11

But what do you do if your staying with a Thai who says you should go get tested because they think they have covid? "No" is a complete sentence. Don't care what she says, the potential downside of testing positive is too high.

I'd do a responsible thing and self-isolate in my room if I were in contact with a suspected case. However, I would only get tested in Thailand if I needed medical treatment or was forced (on entry).

Banana Boi

12-29-21, 01:20

I'd do a responsible thing and self-isolate in my room if I were in contact with a suspected case.I would too but imo I think the majority of guys would continue going out nightly if they were in close contact with someone who had COVID. This would be especially true if a guy were on a 2-4 week Thailand sex vacation. Doubtful they'd voluntarily self quarantine for 7 or 10 days?

Do they sell self testing ATK or PCR tests in Thailand?

Arn Poddict

12-29-21, 10:15

"No" is a complete sentence. Don't care what she says, the potential downside of testing positive is too high.

I'd do a responsible thing and self-isolate in my room if I were in contact with a suspected case. However, I would only get tested in Thailand if I needed medical treatment or was forced (on entry).This answers some of the questions in my previous post. Thanks!

Breadman

12-30-21, 13:58

And overheard a guy on his phone telling his buddy that he had to take an antigen test. From the sounds of it he was standing somewhere in an open area without eating or drinking and not wearing a mask and the police informed him he would have to take (and I am assuming pay for) an antigen test. He sounded pretty well pissed off about the situation.

Now what I find amazing is all of these women wearing masks here, long black hair and striking eyes and I can't help but think they will all look as hot without the mask on. But I know that isn't true.

Wingman just landed a day ago in Bangkok. He arrived around 11 pm, taken to his hotel and given his PCR test. He woke up at 8 am to a phone call saying his test was negative. He then checked in early to his next hotel and managed to pick up 4 different women. And he did them all while wearing his mask. He doesn't want to catch covid before his day 5 PCR test. Correct me if I am wrong but if the girl has covid it will get on his bed sheets, towel etc and infect him when he takes off his mask.

Banana Boi

12-30-21, 17:08

From CDC, based on scientific studies "CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of symptoms and the 2-3 days after. ". Because of this quarantine is only needed for 5 days if no symptoms or after fever subsides.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html

Breadman

12-30-21, 17:34

What is the difference in practice if you fuck same one girl for 7 days or you fuck 7 days different girl each day and catch Covid-19? Is there some way the local authorities will find out that you have been in contact with a person who has Covid?.Well my thoughts are that if you don't repeat with a girl then its less likely she'll think of contacting you if she does come up positive. If she does contact you it would be remotely and you could say 'yes I got tested and it came back negative'. And she wouldn't know your real name, possibly forget exactly where you are staying. Easier to deny is what I am going with here. Now if you have a girl staying with you for 7 days who turns out positive then my guess is the first thing she would say when getting said result was 'I'm staying with a foreigner. ". Now its unlikely the girl will know exactly 'when' she caught covid. And will accept your answer that your negative and feeling fine if its over LINE chat.

Can the infected girl that you fucked turn you in and force to be tested? .Sure she can. It might even be possible for a girl to do that just to spite you, revenge. I would imagine the Thai medical authority would take her word over any farang every time.

Arn Poddict

12-30-21, 19:53

Sure she can. It might even be possible for a girl to do that just to spite you, revenge. I would imagine the Thai medical authority would take her word over any farang every time.In the middle of all the speculation going on at the moment regarding Covid on this forum this is for sure a fact. Farang loses always.

Banana Boi

12-31-21, 02:57

There are now 1000 reported Omicron cases. 534 the other day so this number is consistent with Omicron cases doubling every 2-3 days.

Explorer8939

12-31-21, 03:27

It is suspected that the cheap antigen tests can't detect Omicron. This may be a bug or a feature.

HorseTrader

12-31-21, 06:57

Sunlover2

12-31-21, 07:54

Houston Player

12-31-21, 09:21

It is suspected that the cheap antigen tests can't detect Omicron. This may be a bug or a feature.

Are you saying that the cheap antigen tests cannot differentiate between omicron and other variants, such as delta? Or are you saying that these tests will show negative even if the omicron variant is present? The former would not be a problem, the latter would be a total waste of a test.

My understanding is: with the Omicron variant, the viral load is so small (by comparison) that the existing inexpensive antigen tests have a hard time detecting it.

SL.None of this is true. Where are you guys getting your information? Even a little common sense would tell you this was impossible. The Omicron variant is much more transmissible, why? Because it has a much higher viral load than previous variants. It can be detected by all current testing methods as accurately (or inaccurately) as previous variants. In fact the ATK tests don't really even test for Covid-19 they test for (any) Corona virus it's just that besides the common cold Covid-19 is the only corona virus currently circulating around the globe.

The Omicron variant spreads much faster but also dissipates much faster so the viral load gets smaller twice as fast as with previous variants. This is why after several days of infection the ATK test can't detect the virus because of the small viral load, but at the same time you are no longer contagious and are not likely to be spreading the virus so who gives a shit.

Sunlover2

12-31-21, 11:41

None of this is true. Where are you guys getting your information? Even a little common sense would tell you this was impossible. The Omicron variant is much more transmissible, why? Because it has a much higher viral load than previous variants. Contagion and viral load are distinctly different concepts: https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-viral-load#1-3.

SL.

Banana Boi

12-31-21, 12:36

85 dead from motor vehicle accidents in the first 2 days of the 7 days of death.

For first time visitors to Thailand who may not know, if you get caught by police riding on a motorbike without a helmet the maximum fine is 500 baht. If the police try to extort more than 500 baht tell them you will pay 500 baht or go down to the police station with them. Someone let us know if my info is dated.

Axel Heyst

01-02-22, 04:13

BB, I quoted your post from the Pattaya thread and responded here in the Rants and Stupid section because I think this new policy is more at home here.

Kiss Pattaya goodbye everyone. This is a big one!

https://thepattayanews.com/2022/01/02/chonburi-governor-releases-late-night-updated-orders-around-covid-19-and-food-and-beverage-establishments/This is madness. Nobody is dying from Omicron. What is the latest count: 2? Therefore there is no need to close down entry into the country or impose mandates on the bars & restaurants, or to mandate anything for that matter. Covid is becoming endemic. It will never go away completely. Like the Flu! And currently there are 2 very decent vaccines available to Thais and better vaccines (more comprehensive and longer lasting) are being developed by Pfizer and Moderna among others.

I am sure the Thai Government will reverse these new decisions in a few weeks when the number of new cases peak, but the real problem is this heavy mindset in politicians and various governments around the world. Theses entities will continue to respond the same way with every new variant. So you can follow the bouncing ball: Thailand kind of opened (covid test before & after arrival + proof of vaccination + up to a 24 hour quarantine) in November and most of December although there were strict regulations on the bars, then Thailand closes again now due to a non lethal variant, but will reopen again in February (probably), and later in 2022 they will most likely shut down again in April or May when a new variant arrives in time for the rainy season. 555. What a callosal load of bull! I feel sorry for the Thai people that have had to endure this madness as well as those ISG'ers with real Thai GF's who they have not seen for a long, long time.

Anyway, I have better things to do than play along with this dumb ass open / close / close / open game the government likes to play and fortunately I have better places to go too. Bye Bye Thailand. I had a lot of fun here while it lasted (1989 to 2019).

Banana Boi

01-02-22, 17:03

HorseTrader

01-02-22, 18:10

Seems like everyone I talk to in Pattaya both guys and girls, even non P4 P girls knows a ton of people with COVID now. Unless everyone knows one another which is possible in a small town like Pattaya but all 3,000 cases of COVID reported in Thailand yesterday all live in Pattaya!. Something just isn't adding up to me.I can say the same thing about Phuket. Published new cases in Phuket have been running at about 80 per day. I don't believe it is that low.

Member #4753

01-02-22, 23:34

I can say the same thing about Phuket. Published new cases in Phuket have been running at about 80 per day. I don't believe it is that low.I follow about 50 Thai Instagram girls that are known to work in the business. There are currently 8 that have come down with covid in this past week. 4 are in Phuket, 4 In Pattaya.

The official Thai numbers have under counted the cases all the way through the pandemic by a large multiple.

ThaiGoodTimes

01-03-22, 02:23

I follow about 50 Thai Instagram girls that are known to work in the business. There are currently 8 that have come down with covid in this past week. 4 are in Phuket, 4 In Pattaya.

The official Thai numbers have under counted the cases all the way through the pandemic by a large multiple.Yes, in Phuket I am hearing of multiple working girls now with covid.

GrapeMan

01-03-22, 20:08

Just to put this to bed a bit, many major cities across the world, be it in Asia, Europe or North America, are experiencing rises in cases right now, ones that test more, and have tests readily available, like New York City, are also detecting more (duh!) In the US there seems to be at least some indication (which may or may not bear out to be true at the end of the day) that the at home rapid tests have a higher false negative rate with omicron, that means they are less sensitive to omicron, this is direct from the US government but they caution that these are early results and it may change. There also seems to be indication that the 10 day (or 14 day) quarantine was a good baseline, but for vaccinated people it is likely over cautious, and you are likely fine after 5 days if asymptomatic. Omicron cases appear to be mild to no symptoms in vaccinated people. Unvaxxed people are same as always.

We'll get a rise this month, shit will get weird in lots of cities in Jan, than calm down again. I just hope they don't go crazy with travel restrictions cause those can take a long time to sort out. Its already everywhere, no need to do anything other than test, and if you're vaxxed, you're fine anyways.

When/if Thailand changes or adopts new rules, who the fuck knows, the only constant is that things seems to change every couple of weeks, so planning right now is somewhat useless

Member #4753

01-03-22, 23:23

The Thai Government is making an announcement today in regards to "Test & Go", "Sandbox" and other ways to enter Thailand.

It is anticipated that the current suspension of "Test & Go" and the "Sandbox" schemes except Phuket, will continue.

Currently the only way to enter Thailand is through hard qurantine 7,10,14 days depending on country and vaccination status. Or through the 7 day Phuket sandbox scheme, where you are free to leave hotel during the day and have to get PCR tested twice at your expense.

People that lodged their Thai Pass before December 22 and have been approved can still enter under the suspended "Test & Go" or other "Sandbox" schemes, however it is expected that then Thai government will announce you must enter before January 10 or it will expire.

Mr Enternational

01-04-22, 01:17

The Thai Government is making an announcement today in regards to "Test & Go", "Sandbox" and other ways to enter Thailand.Seems you missed the announcement that was already made that said they would wait until January 31 to make an announcement.

"Anutin Charnvirakul, Minister of Public Health and Deputy Prime Minister, confirmed this morning to the Thai press, January 3rd, 2022, that he has proposed on behalf of the Ministry of Public Health (MOPH) to delay any resumption of the “Test and Go” program until at least the end of January, scheduled for a review by the Center for Covid-19 Situation Administration, or CCSA, tomorrow, January 4th."

Banana Boi

01-04-22, 04:09

For those who have approved QR codes for Thailand Pass and think you have an indefinite time to use them Thailand is now considering putting a time limit on when they can be used. They will make the announcement on January 10 and your approved Thailand Pass could be invalid as early as January 10.

Explorer8939

01-04-22, 04:49

The semi-official announcement is that bars will not open on 16 January.

Banana Boi

01-04-22, 05:01

HorseTrader

01-04-22, 05:45

This TikTok girl is documenting her Thailand quarantine on TikTok. This could be you.

https://www.tiktok.com/search?q=Megan%20Meeke%20&t=1641268634023

She wanted water. Hotel says she has to pay cash. She has no cash. Who enters a foreign country with zero cash in that currency? Not smart. Guess she's drinking from the tap.I exchange all my baht at the Thailand airport in favor of USA dollars, better baht to dollars exchange rate there. I have zero baht at home so upon return to Thailand I normally hit the Thailand airport ATM immediately after gathering my luggage and before going to transportation.

Is that concept still possible in the age of Test and Go and Sandbox?

I'm also wondering if it will be possible to buy a Thai SIM card before going to my Phuket Sandbox hotel.

Member #4753

01-04-22, 07:35

Seems you missed the announcement that was already made that said they would wait until January 31 to make an announcement.

"Anutin Charnvirakul, Minister of Public Health and Deputy Prime Minister, confirmed this morning to the Thai press, January 3rd, 2022, that he has proposed on behalf of the Ministry of Public Health (MOPH) to delay any resumption of the Test and Go program until at least the end of January, scheduled for a review by the Center for Covid-19 Situation Administration, or CCSA, tomorrow, January 4th."This is not the official announcement. It is a 3 step process.

Step 1: All ministers put forward their recommendations to the CCSA. The Health minister has the loudest voice as it pertains to public health but not all of his recommendations are followed verbatim. Probably between 60 to 80 % of his proposals have been followed during the current Pandemic.

Step 2: The CCSA meets, which is the meeting today to which I was referring to.

Step 3: It becomes official law when it published in the Royal Thai Government Gazette, usually a few days later.

Along each step of the way things do get dropped and added. For example, on December 22 the CCSA stated that current Thai Pass's would be valid until Jan 10 only. However this was never stated in the Royal Gazette, hence there was no official cut off date. However, this may be corrected today.

Chimpo Chinn

01-04-22, 07:36

The semi-official announcement is that bars will not open on 16 January.There was never a statement that said anyone but Sex Started Mongers were target ing Jan 16.

Govt said will assess situation.

Breadman

01-04-22, 11:36

Banana Boi

01-04-22, 15:25

Don't assume just because you have medical insurance your hospital bills will be paid. Don't leave your hotel if you are told to.

"Hotels want them off the premises and sent to hospitals but the insurance companies are refusing to honor policies saying they have to pay for hospitals. The foreigners are pointing out that they are insured and won't pay for hospitalization. This, said the source, meant that a large number of foreign tourists are refusing to budge at hotels."

https://aseannow.com/topic/1245465-phuket-hotels-desperate-as-insured-foreign-tourists-with-covid-denied-coverage-refuse-to-go-to-hospital-hospitel-shortage-admitted/

Chop

01-04-22, 16:09

Staying at an airbnb for the first time ever in Thailand and the owner upon me checking in informed me that I had to file paperwork with immigration with my passport showing my current residency. But I recalled reading in the Cambodia forum that travel agents would for a fee go to immigration on your behalf for a fee. So I stopped by a local visa agent and for 500 baht they went and filed the paperwork with my passport, just had to pick it up the next day. Anyway got their LINE ID and said I would be stopping by to do the 30 day extension and was informed I could now increase that to 60 days for an extra 2000 baht. Have plans to go to Cambodia but for 2000 baht this gives me some extra insurance if I am delayed, flight cancelations etc.I'm no visa agent, so take this with a grain of salt: Whatever residency paperwork you needed for your initial visa should already have been done as part of sandbox / COE / ASQ / T&G, however you made entry (really, just put the name of the hotel in the blank and get your stamp.) Visa *extensions* require a residency doc of some sort. Condos, hotels, and I guess AirBnBs (never personally done one) are happy to make you up a doc. The fee at the Immigration office is 1900 baht, no matter what the visa is. 30 day, 60 day, 1 year, all 1900 baht. The last 2 times I went for the extension there was an officer standing in the doorway to the 30 day office waving everyone upstairs to the 60 day office. They can't be bothered with the 30 day extensions, and they're passing the 60 day ones out like jelly beans here in Phuket. In any case, there's no way you were ever going to get an extension, any extension, for 500 baht. The 1900 baht fee is impossible to avoid.

I think maybe you've misunderstood your agent. They want 500 baht do do the running around and paperwork for you, plus another 1900--rounded up to 2000 and clipping you for another 100 baht--for the fee they'll have to pay at the office. It's a bargain. Take it.

Breadman

01-05-22, 07:05

I'm no visa agent, so take this with a grain of salt: Whatever residency paperwork you needed for your initial visa should already have been done as part of sandbox / COE / ASQ / T&G, however you made entry (really, just put the name of the hotel in the blank and get your stamp.) Visa *extensions* require a residency doc of some sort. Condos, hotels, and I guess AirBnBs (never personally done one) are happy to make you up a doc. The fee at the Immigration office is 1900 baht, no matter what the visa is. 30 day, 60 day, 1 year, all 1900 baht. The last 2 times I went for the extension there was an officer standing in the doorway to the 30 day office waving everyone upstairs to the 60 day office. They can't be bothered with the 30 day extensions, and they're passing the 60 day ones out like jelly beans here in Phuket. In any case, there's no way you were ever going to get an extension, any extension, for 500 baht. The 1900 baht fee is impossible to avoid.

I think maybe you've misunderstood your agent. They want 500 baht do do the running around and paperwork for you, plus another 1900--rounded up to 2000 and clipping you for another 100 baht--for the fee they'll have to pay at the office. It's a bargain. Take it.Ignore what I said about the airbnb, residency etc. That was just to show how I got their LINE ID. I am on a 60 day tourist visa and this visa agent knows that. So on the LINE chat I said I'll be coming by to do my 30 day visa extension. And they replied 'you can now extend 60 days due to covid'. I then made sure they understood I was already on a 60 day visa and they said 'yes, you can now extend another 60 days'. A 30 day extension using the visa agent services is 4000 baht, saves you from waiting in line. They take your passport and all the paperwork and get it stamped without you needing to be there. Now the 60 day extension will cost 6000 baht, my bet is the same 2100 fee plus two 1900 visa extension fee's at immigration. Or might the 60 day extension only cost 1900 baht and the visa agent is trying to collect 4100?

Now on a different subject, just love the photo in this article below. Nothing says social distancing like putting sick people into an open area with fans blowing all of the covid all over the place.

https://thethaiger.com/news/bangkok/bangkok-prepares-field-hospitals-isolation-centres-for-anticipated-covid-19-uptick

Member #4753

01-05-22, 23:11

Chop

01-06-22, 00:50

Ignore what I said about the airbnb, residency etc. That was just to show how I got their LINE ID. I am on a 60 day tourist visa and this visa agent knows that. So on the LINE chat I said I'll be coming by to do my 30 day visa extension. And they replied 'you can now extend 60 days due to covid'. I then made sure they understood I was already on a 60 day visa and they said 'yes, you can now extend another 60 days'. A 30 day extension using the visa agent services is 4000 baht, saves you from waiting in line. They take your passport and all the paperwork and get it stamped without you needing to be there. Now the 60 day extension will cost 6000 baht, my bet is the same 2100 fee plus two 1900 visa extension fee's at immigration. Or might the 60 day extension only cost 1900 baht and the visa agent is trying to collect 4100?

Now on a different subject, just love the photo in this article below. Nothing says social distancing like putting sick people into an open area with fans blowing all of the covid all over the place.

https://thethaiger.com/news/bangkok/bangkok-prepares-field-hospitals-isolation-centres-for-anticipated-covid-19-uptickOK, I misread your original post as you'd get the 30 day extension for 500 baht. Impossible at that price. That's what I was trying to get at. My misread, my bad.

The 60 day extension is a special exception they made "temporarily" for Covid. Temporary is going on two years now. The fee at the Immigration office for it is 1900 baht, same as all the other extensions, including the regular 30 day that everyone used to do in the before times. So yeah, your agent is clipping you for double (ish) the price. 6000 baht for a 60 day extension is pretty steep, but not completely outrageous. To be fair, the 60 day-er requires two trips to the office (although still, you only pay the 1900 baht fee on the first trip I. E, once. LOL at Thai bureaucracy), and if that pic you linked makes you uncomfortable about covid protocols, or lack thereof, you'd absolutely shart yourself walking into the immigration office. Might be worth it for that alone. I'd still take the deal, especially if you're pressed for time.

Chimpo Chinn

01-06-22, 01:39

Explorer8939

01-06-22, 04:17

The number of ladies in Pattaya who have Covid is astounding. I can only think of a few ladies who don't have Covid-19. Slim pickings at the moment.

The official positivity rate is 25%, but that doesn't count unofficial tests, where, if positive, the test remains hidden.

LookingLooking

01-06-22, 05:14

There is still no official announcement in regards to the current suspension of "Test and Go" and "Sandbox schemes" etc.

Numerous sources have stated that the "test and go" suspension will continue, however the delay in the official announcement suggests there is still wrangling in the fine details.

There is a Friday CCSA meeting where the final details will probably be announced.It's a given that it will continue to be suspended till further notice. The situation here this week is much more worse than when it first got suspended. Daily infections have almost doubled within 2 days. 2 of my contacts here got covid in the past 1 week. I got infected myself too. Private hospitals are overwhelmed with patients queuing for admission, even testing alone has waiting time of 12 hours.

I waited my ambulance for 10 hours. That was 4 days ago. I was not the only patient in the ambulance. It has to be shared.

That's how bad it is here this week.

Explorer8939

01-07-22, 01:57

700+ cases in Pattaya today.

The authorities are probably going to shut the bars today. I will let you guys debate whether a restaurant serving alcohol is a bar.

It's going to be a sad January, maybe Omicron will pass quickly. I am leaving town if I test negative for Covid19.

Member #4753

01-07-22, 02:36

It's a given that it will continue to be suspended till further notice. The situation here this week is much more worse than when it first got suspended. Daily infections have almost doubled within 2 days. 2 of my contacts here got covid in the past 1 week. I got infected myself too. Private hospitals are overwhelmed with patients queuing for admission, even testing alone has waiting time of 12 hours.

I waited my ambulance for 10 hours. That was 4 days ago. I was not the only patient in the ambulance. It has to be shared.

That's how bad it is here this week.Yes it is much worse than the numbers suggest here in Thailand. They seem to go up by 50% per day over the last 3 days. I know of a bunch of girls in Pattaya and Phuket that have tested positive. Strangely I don't personally know of anyone in Bangkok yet.

Where were you located when you tested positive. ?

Hope you have no or little symptons and get out of Hospital soon.