Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[Member #4753]

Please name numerous sources.

Usually it's Noi from Buriam or Nip from Kalasin. Get my point.The sources I were referring to were News Outlets. Bangkok Post, Thaiger, Pattay & Phuket local news. The "Test & Go" scheme as well as corona virus dominates expat news. Hence there are several articles per day relating to these topics on the news outlets who quote various Official Thai Government Ministers - to whom which the ulimate decision will come.

Feel free to read them to develope your own take / opinion on what is expected to happen.

[LookingLooking]

Yes it is much worse than the numbers suggest here in Thailand. They seem to go up by 50% per day over the last 3 days. I know of a bunch of girls in Pattaya and Phuket that have tested positive. Strangely I don't personally know of anyone in Bangkok yet.

Where were you located when you tested positive. ?

Hope you have no or little symptons and get out of Hospital soon.I was in Bangkok for 3 weeks before getting infected. Mostly stayed in the Sukhumvit stretch.

I have recovered from symptoms now. But still not even half way through my 10 day mandatory quarantine period.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

The impact in Phuket of the new wave is just starting to become very visible now.

Everybody now knows multiple people that are sick, tho most are very mildly so, and as such are isolating at home.

And definitely not recorded in the official numbers.

Sadly, myself included most likely.

I had a positive ATK test at a clinic yesterday morning.

So I then took a PCR test in the afternoon that I'm now awaiting test results on.

Running a diving business here and having been on a registered tourist vessel (dive boat), there are "advice" protocols that the boat (and I) have to follow.

Hence the PCR confirm or clear Covid test.

And from there, if I am positive, I just hope to stay clear of the expensive "hospitel" protocols and isolate at home.

[Explorer8939]

Those cheap ATK kits are pretty useless for detecting Omicron. If you are symptomatic, try to get an RT-PCR test.

[Locamotive]

It's a given that it will continue to be suspended till further notice. The situation here this week is much more worse than when it first got suspended. Daily infections have almost doubled within 2 days. 2 of my contacts here got covid in the past 1 week. I got infected myself too. Private hospitals are overwhelmed with patients queuing for admission, even testing alone has waiting time of 12 hours.

I waited my ambulance for 10 hours. That was 4 days ago. I was not the only patient in the ambulance. It has to be shared.

That's how bad it is here this week.Yes. But infected with what? Is this regular COVID or Delta or the Omicron variant. I think everyone needs to calm down or we will never get back to normal. A neighbor she tested positive for Omicron, people are crazy here lining up for tests. She goes to hospital, nurse tells her you have no symptoms. I know but I tested positive OMG! I'm going to die. Lady calm down, if you get sick come back, but you're probably fine. Oh and she had both jabs. They need to take this crap off the news and these countries open and get back to normal. The general public is insane.

[Member #4753]

Summary of todays CCSA meeting:

Test & Go suspened indefinitely.

All holders of Thai Passes (Test and Go + Sandboxes) that were lodged before December 22 cut off must enter before Jan 15.

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Phuket Sandbox to continue.

The following destinations are added to the sandbox scheme however the commencing date yet to be announced.

Koh Samui, Koh Tao and Koh Phangan.

Krabi and Phangnga.

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Alcohol to be suspended at restaurants in all provinces except the following tourist provinces.

These provinces can serve alcohol until 9 pm.

Bangkok.

Chon Buri.

Kanchanaburi.

Krabi.

Nonthaburi.

Pathum Thani.

Phangnga.

Phuket.

The above announcement need to be published in the Royal Gazette to become official. However any changes will most likely be very minor.

[Pistons]

Seems like everyone I talk to in Pattaya both guys and girls, even non P4 P girls knows a ton of people with COVID now. Unless everyone knows one another which is possible in a small town like Pattaya but all 3,000 cases of COVID reported in Thailand yesterday all live in Pattaya!. Something just isn't adding up to me.It all adds up to me. Because of the culture in Pattaya, it is the epicenter of testing due to the bar and restaurant scene there. Thus everyone gets extra high loads of graphene oxides in them, which leads to the toxic effect which in combination with a cold or a flu is considered covid. In the rest of Thailand there is less need for testing and use of facial diapers. And maybe even lower levels of vaccination. Because the tests shwabs are dipped in the graphere producing hydrogel substance before inserted into your nose or throat. And the facial diapers who have passed approval are all coated with the same graphene materials.

This all adds up to why the hive of cases in Thailand are centered in Pattaya / Jomtien.

[HorseTrader]

Summary of todays CCSA meeting:
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The above announcement need to be published in the Royal Gazette to become official. However any changes will most likely be very minor.Thanks MaxBKK. English summary video of today's CCSA meeting is on YouTube. Search "CCSA UPDATE Fabulous 103fm". Sorry, I cant get the direct link to work.

[Banana Boi]

It all adds up to me. Because of the culture in Pattaya, it is the epicenter of testing due to the bar and restaurant scene there. Thus everyone gets extra high loads of graphene oxides in them, which leads to the toxic effect which in combination with a cold or a flu is considered covid. In the rest of Thailand there is less need for testing and use of facial diapers. And maybe even lower levels of vaccination. Because the tests shwabs are dipped in the graphere producing hydrogel substance before inserted into your nose or throat. And the facial diapers who have passed approval are all coated with the same graphene materials.

This all adds up to why the hive of cases in Thailand are centered in Pattaya / Jomtien.What you are saying is supporting what I said. What I was saying is there were likely 3000 Omicron cases per day in Pattaya alone. Thailand was reporting 3000 cases for all of Thailand the day I made my post and we know BKK and Phuket are also having outbreaks.

[Pistons]

What you are saying is supporting what I said. What I was saying is there were likely 3000 Omicron cases per day in Pattaya alone. Thailand was reporting 3000 cases for all of Thailand the day I made my post and we know BKK and Phuket are also having outbreaks.Haha OK. They are just pulling numbers out of the hat then. Makes sense too.

[Chimpo Chinn]

Govt is smart. Limit alcohol sales lowers drunk driving deaths.

If just one crazy person life is saved it will be worth it.

We all in this together.

[Explorer8939]

It all adds up to me. Because of the culture in Pattaya, it is the epicenter of testing due to the bar and restaurant scene there. Thus everyone gets extra high loads of graphene oxides in them, which leads to the toxic effect which in combination with a cold or a flu is considered covid. In the rest of Thailand there is less need for testing and use of facial diapers. And maybe even lower levels of vaccination. Because the tests shwabs are dipped in the graphere producing hydrogel substance before inserted into your nose or throat. And the facial diapers who have passed approval are all coated with the same graphene materials.

This all adds up to why the hive of cases in Thailand are centered in Pattaya / Jomtien.RT-PCR tests are showing a massive increase in Covid in Chonburi.

If your theory that graphene oxides were causing positive ATK tests were true, then ATK tests would constantly be positive in high numbers, but the number of positives Is increasing.

Hospitals will soon be filling up, so Covid is really here.

[Pistons]

RT-PCR tests are showing a massive increase in Covid in Chonburi.

If your theory that graphene oxides were causing positive ATK tests were true, then ATK tests would constantly be positive in high numbers, but the number of positives Is increasing.

Hospitals will soon be filling up, so Covid is really here.You need a certain level of graphene oxide in combination with flu or cold virus.

[Member #4753]

Apparently they are looking at scrapping the cut off date for current Thai Pass holders that lodged before Dec 22. They initially said cut off would be Jan 15, updates are suggesting no cut off.

Nothing is certain until changes get published in the Royal Gazette. So little changes (or big changes can still occur).

[Explorer8939]

You need a certain level of graphene oxide in combination with flu or cold virus.I think you are confused.

Neither ATK tests nor RT-PCR confuse Covid with the common cold or flu.

[Travv]

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"No one cared who I was before I put on the mask," said Dr. Anthony Fauci in an interview with Don Lemon on CNN. "Before COVID no one knew my name. Now I am proud to unveil an even more elaborate mask and self-injecting bio-suit to further cement my place in history. "

"And save lives," he added.

"I can't understand what you're saying," said Don Lemon. "Can you take off the mask for a minute?

"It would be extremely painful," warned Dr. Fauci. "I would advise you not to make further anti-science requests. I was born in science, molded by it. I am the premier authority on the subject. ".

Pfizer is expected to have 10,000 suits ready by Q3 2022, with more than a million planned before the end of the year. The Biden Administration is reportedly utilizing recent census data to make sure there are enough suits so that each American can have three. Any remainders will be sent over to Ethiopia, delaying food shipments temporarily. . . "

[Houston Player]

I think you are confused.

Neither ATK tests nor RT-PCR confuse Covid with the common cold or flu.You are the one that is confused. ATK tests do not test for Covid-19, they test for Corona viruses of any kind including the common cold.

[Member #4753]

"New York, NYTo simplify booster injections against COVID-19, Pfizer has developed a new Bane-style Vacci-Suit to enable the automatic injection of new doses. The suit comes with up to ten additional doses that can be switched out as new vaccines are developed.

"The suit comes with a built-in mask for extra safety," said a spokesperson for Pfizer. "We've given the very first suit to Dr. Fauci so he can help spread the news on this innovative technology.

"No one cared who I was before I put on the mask," said Dr. Anthony Fauci in an interview with Don Lemon on CNN. "Before COVID no one knew my name. Now I am proud to unveil an even more elaborate mask and self-injecting bio-suit to further cement my place in history. "

"And save lives," he added.

"I can't understand what you're saying," said Don Lemon. "Can you take off the mask for a minute?

"It would be extremely painful," warned Dr. Fauci. "I would advise you not to make further anti-science requests. I was born in science, molded by it. I am the premier authority on the subject. ".

Pfizer is expected to have 10,000 suits ready by Q3 2022, with more than a million planned before the end of the year. The Biden Administration is reportedly utilizing recent census data to make sure there are enough suits so that each American can have three. Any remainders will be sent over to Ethiopia, delaying food shipments temporarily. . . "Can you add additional drugs to the mix. Like Viagra every 12 hours too? - 555.

[RacShack]

Correct. The online scene meant for Thai guys is neither appealing nor accessible to tourists. Even for residents, it only appeals to the small group who speak / read / write Thai reasonably well.

One thing I hated about the online scene was funneling. The site has 200 girls, I pick 10, then three reply within a reasonable timeframe, two of those go silent after I ask for an address. In my experience, being a Farang is already a filter, plenty of girls will refuse / not reply, or try to charge extra. Admittedly, I tried the Thai online scene pre-Covid, maybe it's a bit better now, with them being more desperate for business.

Maybe the the LINE groups that GoatScrot mentions are good, but I've been in one of those (courtesy of a FanFinFin girl) and deleted it after a week. Too much noise, can't browse/search, just an endless feed of posts, often repetitive. Presumably it's fun for some people, but not for me.

Technically, a sufficiently motivated and patient Farang could score in Thai-oriented online scene only using English, but there are obstacles at each step.Well. Apparently one of our own has broken into this "Thai only" online market and is kicking ass and taking names. He is beating the local Thais at their own game. Top 25 status in the least amount of time as a member. Big deal especially when you consider the very top members are just agents. And if you were ever lucky enough to meet the guy. You know he is just a forever tourist that can't speak a lick of Thai. Wonder what type of shit he tells these girls? Still having a good time with his game and has been getting serious action at Thailands' expense. Let Google help you with the who part. LOL. WWJACOBS.

[Banana Boi]

1% testing positive upon landing in Phuket. 4% positive on their 2nd RT-PCR test on 5th day of quarantine. So 1 in 25 chance you are going to hospital for 10 days before your quarantine is up. 5 days quarantine, 1 day RT-PCR test results, then 10+ days hospital is 16 days of your vacation. Imagine if your vacation was scheduled for 2 weeks? You'd miss your flight home!

[Member #4753]

1% testing positive upon landing in Phuket. 4% positive on their 2nd RT-PCR test on 5th day of quarantine. So 1 in 25 chance you are going to hospital for 10 days before your quarantine is up. 5 days quarantine, 1 day RT-PCR test results, then 10+ days hospital is 16 days of your vacation. Imagine if your vacation was scheduled for 2 weeks? You'd miss your flight home!Although we will never know, it would be interesting to know why there is a big jump in testing positive on the second test.

Did they catch it from home or did they run out to Bangla Road and get as many girls as they could find on the first few nights.

Depending on how many days you stay it is probably prudent to chill on the first couple / three days so you can pass the test on the 5th. Then go crazy.

At the moment there are tons of cases on workers on Bangla, so chances are you are going to come into contact with omicron while there. Whether or not you get infected is another matter but you will most likely come into contact with it.

[Crocodilexp]

Depending on how many days you stay it is probably prudent to chill on the first couple / three days so you can pass the test on the 5th. Then go crazy.

If you're in Thailand for mongering, the optimal strategy is to be extremely cautious until you take the swab for the 2nd test, then go all-out crazy immediately afterwards, perhaps line up a few girls to arrive right after getting back to the hotel. If you happen to test positive, at least you had your bit of fun before the 10-day imprisonment. If you happen to be negative, continue with the crazy, perhaps slightly toned down.

[HorseTrader]

Although we will never know, it would be interesting to know why there is a big jump in testing positive on the second test.My assumption is the second test is intended to find people who caught COVID while traveling, which seems to be happening at a 4% rate. I feel very COVID safe when home alone, but I could easily catch COVID sitting in the middle of economy or waiting in a massive airport gate area.

Thinking back about 8 months, the sandbox concept seemed to be built on the assumption that nearly everybody in the sandbox would be vaccinated and there would be near zero COVID. If I recall, there was going to be a threshold of something like 120 new COVID cases per week in Phuket, anything above that threshold could close down the sandbox. That's from an foggy old memory, which is probably valid in concept but wrong in numbers. Clearly, that concept went in the trash.

[PedroMorales]

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/cathay-pacific-to-suspend-transit-travelers-from-high-risk-places-from-jan-16

Hong Kong is stopping transit flights. Cargo planes are down to 20% of pre covid loads "because of staffing". Chinese new year is almost on us (Feb 1, Year of the Bonobo). Now if "they" block tells of millions of Chinese and others moving about / home for that, heaven help us. There were mad scenes some years ago when China was covered by snow and migrants could not make their annual pilgrimage home to their villages. And then you have tinkering with global logistics.

You have to re-arrange your priorities. There are much bigger players about than you and your LBFM desires.

[Member #4753]

Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul just announced that data coming out is confirming that Omicron is much milder than Delta. For this reason restrictions will be less than previous big waves and the various rentry schemes like Test and Go could be reintroduced sooner than we were expecting.

The most likely path to easing entry requirement is by adding Bangkok and Pattaya to the sandbox schemes in the next few weeks. Which means a 7 day hotel stay but you are free to leave and do what you want during the day.

The reintroduction of the Test and Go scheme, where you only need to stay at a hotel for 1 night, would probably be reintroduced as soon as cases start coming down in western countries. Hopefully this is not too far away.

My personal opinion is that once the Test and Go scheme is back and runs successfully for say 8 weeks, they will scrap it and allow normal entry. Probably only need ATK before flight and then just enter as per pre pandemic.

For full articles see the Bangkok Post and Thethaiger.

[Rodwint2]

Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul just announced that data coming out is confirming that Omicron is much milder than Delta. For this reason restrictions will be less than previous big waves and the various rentry schemes like Test and Go could be reintroduced sooner than we were expecting.

The most likely path to easing entry requirement is by adding Bangkok and Pattaya to the sandbox schemes in the next few weeks. Which means a 7 day hotel stay but you are free to leave and do what you want during the day.

The reintroduction of the Test and Go scheme, where you only need to stay at a hotel for 1 night, would probably be reintroduced as soon as cases start coming down in western countries. Hopefully this is not too far away.

My personal opinion is that once the Test and Go scheme is back and runs successfully for say 8 weeks, they will scrap it and allow normal entry. Probably only need ATK before flight and then just enter as per pre pandemic.

For full articles see the Bangkok Post and Thethaiger.One new problem is that the traveler needs to get a PRC test 72 hours before they get on the plane to Thailand. In the US, the surge of the new covid version has flooded testing centers across the country. What use to take 1 or 2 days is now taking 3 to 4 days. Travelers may not be able to get their test results in time to even be allowed to board their flights.

[Breadman]

One new problem is that the traveler needs to get a PRC test 72 hours before they get on the plane to Thailand. In the US, the surge of the new covid version has flooded testing centers across the country. What use to take 1 or 2 days is now taking 3 to 4 days. Travelers may not be able to get their test results in time to even be allowed to board their flights.You have to find out if the testing place has a lab onsite like a hospital. You can't go to your local pharmacy that has to FedEx the test now that pilots are getting covid and causing delays.

[Member #4753]

One new problem is that the traveler needs to get a PRC test 72 hours before they get on the plane to Thailand. In the US, the surge of the new covid version has flooded testing centers across the country. What use to take 1 or 2 days is now taking 3 to 4 days. Travelers may not be able to get their test results in time to even be allowed to board their flights.You usually need a Travel specific PCR test that comes with a medical type fit to fly certificate. These tests are not free and need to be booked and undertaken at specific locations. The good news is that they do get prioritised and the results come back quickly. I paid $150 for the 24 hour test and it came back in about 12 hours. You can pay more to get the result back in 6 hours, I saw some places that could do it in 30 minutes but it was more expensive.

I don't think the standard goverment PCR test can be used for the purpose of International Travel. I may be wrong, but in the 6 or so international trips I have made over the last 6 months I paid for the expidited travel test at a cost of around $150 a pop.

[Downandup]

The reintroduction of the Test and Go scheme, where you only need to stay at a hotel for 1 night, would probably be reintroduced as soon as cases start coming down in western countries. Hopefully this is not too far away.Like South Africa before, UK rates of infection have started to fall and rapidly while those that have been infected have had milder symptoms. News reports say that epidemiologists see reason to believe that Covid will move into an endemic stage soon with the rest of the world to follow as Omicron spreads, then declines and more people are vaccinated, there are still questions on how Omicron will affect a population with lower vaccination rates.

[HorseTrader]

You usually need a Travel specific PCR test that comes with a medical type fit to fly certificate. These tests are not free and need to be booked and undertaken at specific locations. The good news is that they do get prioritised and the results come back quickly. I paid $150 for the 24 hour test and it came back in about 12 hours. You can pay more to get the result back in 6 hours, I saw some places that could do it in 30 minutes but it was more expensive.Also check your airline and transfer airport for their requirements to fly. For my case, Thailand requires RT-PCR testing within 72 hours of flight time, but my airline requires testing within 48 hours. Combine reduced weekend testing hours and a late weekend flight time, I have a very short window when I can actually take my RT-PCR test with 24-hour turn around time. Be sure to advance schedule your test time carefully. To be safe, I might pay the extra $75 to get 1-hour turn around testing.

Regarding cost of the testing, my friend expected to pay $150 for his 24-hour test results, but the test facility asked for his insurance card and they charged him nothing.

[Rodwint2]

You have to find out if the testing place has a lab onsite like a hospital. You can't go to your local pharmacy that has to FedEx the test now that pilots are getting covid and causing delays.I appreciate your and MaxBKK's advice and information. Thank you!

[HorseTrader]

Just finished a call with a Phuket friend. Her business has 14 workers, all of them vaccinated. Today there were only 6 working, the other 8 were all home battling COVID. Of the 6 that worked today, 4 have already recovered from COVID. Only 2 of 14 have avoided COVID, so far.

The first of the recovered workers reported her illness to authorities and was then isolated in a hotel room. That was 2 weeks ago and she is now recovered and working. None of the other workers reported their illnesses. All were diagnosed using at home testing.

The published numbers of COVID cases in Thailand are not a reflection of how many cases exist. Perhaps is a reflection of how many tourists tested positive. Many Thai people simply are not reporting their illnesses.

Tourists must pass an arrival test, a day 5-6 test, and a pre-return flight test. Chances of having a healthy vacation are looking smaller and smaller.

[Breadman]

Just finished a call with a Phuket friend. Her business has 14 workers, all of them vaccinated. Today there were only 6 working, the other 8 were all home battling COVID. Of the 6 that worked today, 4 have already recovered from COVID. Only 2 of 14 have avoided COVID, so far.

The first of the recovered workers reported her illness to authorities and was then isolated in a hotel room. That was 2 weeks ago and she is now recovered and working. None of the other workers reported their illnesses. All were diagnosed using at home testing.

The published numbers of COVID cases in Thailand are not a reflection of how many cases exist. Perhaps is a reflection of how many tourists tested positive. Many Thai people simply are not reporting their illnesses.

Tourists must pass an arrival test, a day 5-6 test, and a pre-return flight test. Chances of having a healthy vacation are looking smaller and smaller.Of coarse its under reported, same with every other country out there but your still leaving you home to go about your daily routine I'm betting. Nobody who self tests will report it unless they have severe symptoms. Simple fact is those wanting to stay at home for Christmas and New Years missed out on coming to Thailand. I too was planning on coming after New Years but as soon as I heard about Omicron I left a week later. What you are reporting about the bar in Phuket is just an outbreak in a specific bar, it can happen in any bar where the girls are all in one confined area. Doesn't mean that every bar is having an outbreak. What the bar should have done was close itself down upon learning several of the girls were positive for covid and self isolated all of the girls. Trying to stay open is just spreading it to the others over and over again. In fact the bar owner and manager can get in serious trouble for not calling the hotline and reporting these cases. And 'battling covid'. Sorry man but its not a battle if your vaccinated, its a day of feeling sick and then your tired for a day after.

Vacations are dead for the time being. There is no 'safe healthy vacation' that consists of flying halfway around the world to have sex with hot Asian girls anymore. Traveling to the other side of the world and enjoying yourself will for the next year or two be for the long time vacationers, those willing and able to spend months in a country. Your two week trips just won't work anymore, not with all of the testing and requirements. Unless you can fly direct from your home city to Thailand your trip starts and ends in jeopardy, so many flights are being canceled since so many employees are calling in sick.

[Explorer8939]

My guess is that Omicron will have mostly passed by March 1, so it's just a blip.

The killer for Thailand is that Test and Go has been shutdown for a month, and probably for another month, so there is 2 months worth of business lost. Since so many people came for the holidays, as they leave and are not replaced, Pattaya and Phuket will empty out. If Test and Go is not reinstated by April 1, the post Songkran period will be as dead as a doornail.

[Breadman]

The old days are gone, there are new rules in this world if you want to find hot young women for sex. To the unvaccinated sex tourists just forget about it and stay at home, foreign governments just aren't going to listen to your arguments. They only want those who are vaccinated, they don't want anti vaxxers who might tax their hospital systems. The days of living in places such as Florida and doing 4 short trips a year so you can keep seeing your family are finished. Only those who have the money and the spare time and can take 3 months off from their home life can enjoy a long sex retreat. Unless your lucky enough to have a direct flight from your city to Thailand but even with those fights your going to have some severe hurdles to go through if your an anti vaxxer. I've got a buddy here who can 'work from home' and has so far done this here in Thailand without his company back home figuring out he's nowhere near his home. Sadly though he has to make it back home for some in person work that can't be done remotely and things might get dicey come time for his flight home.

Also gone are those old youtubers who did a massive amount of border runs to keep living in Thailand, possibly even a handful of posters here who can no longer manage this type of visa. Then there are those who choose the more riskier path. The 'not so legal' ways of getting an extension. You see them on youtube, too young to get a retirement visa but living in Thailand for years and years (CB Media for example). Flaunting the system in some way as to keep on getting their passport stamped most likely by the same visa agent and immigration officer over and over again. Sometimes its not all that much cloak and dagger types of dealings but when you enter on a tourist visa and leave 4 years later on a 'volunteer' visa there are questions. Or the guy who takes a kickboxing class once a week to 'stay in school' but he's never allowed to practice because he's twice the size of those in his class. Risks are risks, you deal with the consequences if caught.

Maybe things return to normal in two years, we will see what happens as they happen. But if your an anti vaxxer your chances of doing your short overseas sex tours might be hard to accomplish. These second and third world countries got hit pretty hard when the pandemic came along and things finally stabilized with the shipments of vaccines. And the people here are lining up for shots without question.

[Mr Enternational]

The old days are gone, there are new rules in this world if you want to find hot young women for sex. To the unvaccinated sex tourists just forget about it and stay at home, foreign governments just aren't going to listen to your arguments.Incorrect. To the sex tourists that don't have vaccination cards, forget it and stay at home. There is a difference!

[Breadman]

Incorrect. To the sex tourists that don't have vaccination cards, forget it and stay at home. There is a difference!If you are implying that you can fly into Thailand with a false vaccination card you are mistaken, at least for now. You need a QR code showing all of your vaccination info and who knows what other info is on there. I got mine from my online hospital account. You send in that QR code so they can check your status. They won't accept a photo of a card. Same with the Cambodia visa, you need to upload your QR code to get your visa to enter the country.

[Member #4753]

The Public Health Minister Anutin plans to make a proposal to reopen registration for the Test & Go quarantine exemption scheme at the next CCSA general meeting.

Anutin was the minister which initially pushed for the suspension of the Test and Go scheme, so his reversal will probably see the scheme resumed.

The proposed date will become clearer with the political manouverings leading up to the meeting.

[Banana Boi]

Some on here report that Thailand is going overboard with COVID paranoia. Not even close compared to China! In the past 2 days the stories out of China are bizarre. China claims it has detected it's first Omicron case. An office worker caught Omicron from a parcel that was shipped out of Canada, went through USA and Hong Kong, and handled by the office worker who got Omicron. China is now blaming Canada and USA for passing Omicron to them. The entire office building has been under lockdown for a couple of days now and employees have not been able to go home. Today's story is that a pet store worker got COVID. They tested the animals and a couple of hamsters tested positive for COVID. China has decided to cull 2000 animals guilty by association.

[PedroMorales]

But if your an anti vaxxer your chances of doing your short overseas sex tours might be hard to accomplish. These second and third world countries got hit pretty hard when the pandemic came along and things finally stabilized with the shipments of vaccines. And the people here are lining up for shots without question.Why all the nostalgia and hatred? I am not jabbed and have decided not to take the jab, no matter what the cost. I merely adapt. Next week, I am in Eastern Europe.

I believe the Covid stuff will end in about 2 months and the carbon tax stuff will then kick in. I am already making contingency plans for that.

Good on Pattaya's hookers for taking the clot shot. They would not be my first port of call for medical advice. Not that it matters. My mind is made up. No clot shot for me. I am too young and pretty to die.

[Breadman]

Why all the nostalgia and hatred? I am not jabbed and have decided not to take the jab, no matter what the cost. I merely adapt. Next week, I am in Eastern Europe. I believe the Covid stuff will end in about 2 months and the carbon tax stuff will then kick in. I am already making contingency plans for that. Good on Pattaya's hookers for taking the clot shot. They would not be my first port of call for medical advice. Not that it matters. My mind is made up. No clot shot for me. I am too young and pretty to die.Don't take what I said the wrong way, I am not pro or con on the vaccination status of anyone. Its their business. I'm just trying to look at the long term effects and what I went through to get here. Doom and gloom may be on the horizon. Just can't see everything getting back to normal for years and years. It is now ingrained in many countries that you better be vaccinated or else. Just look at Australia. You read of Omicron going rampant and then burning itself out. That's not happening in Thailand and that's not good news, by wearing masks and continuing with their protocols they are just delaying the burnout. Everywhere you go you see Thai's wearing masks, buying new masks. Following the rules. Just can't see the governments here lessening their control right now.

Now I did hear an interesting theory on what's going on behind the scenes here that might make things clearer. Guy said Thailand is basically run by a a dozen families. The families in the electronic sector are making money hand over fist. The families in the bar scene are losing money hand over fist. And those in charge want to keep them on their knees so they can swoop in and buy property and businesses pennies on the baht. So everyone hoping for a quick turnaround of the gogo bars might have to wait for some time.

[Mr Enternational]

If you are implying that you can fly into Thailand with a false vaccination card you are mistaken, at least for now. You need a QR code showing all of your vaccination info and who knows what other info is on there.Still no problem. My boy just said it is 7 day quarentine for vaxed and 10 day quarentine for unvaxed. So an extra 3 days in jail and non-vaxed can have at it as well. That is Thailand though. A lot of other countries you can just flash them a picture of your card on your phone. Nobody is checking shit with a microscope. Strange thing is that I know a bunch of people vaxed that have covid right now.

[Huacho]

If you are implying that you can fly into Thailand with a false vaccination card you are mistaken, at least for now. You need a QR code showing all of your vaccination info and who knows what other info is on there. I got mine from my online hospital account. You send in that QR code so they can check your status. They won't accept a photo of a card. Same with the Cambodia visa, you need to upload your QR code to get your visa to enter the country.This asshole has been flying all over with a fake vax card and bragging about it.

[HorseTrader]

I just received an email from one of my regular resorts that stated Test and Go is back starting February 1. A key difference is tourists must stay in an approved hotel on day 1 and day 5, which matches RT-PCR test dates. Other readings imply that medical insurance must cover all possible COVID situations. Take it for what it's worth, maybe not formalized yet.

I'll still wait until I have good confidence that a positive test and mild symptoms will not force me into a miserable quarantine situation. I don't mind quarantine if I test positive and I can be in the hotel that I selected.

[Mr Enternational]

This asshole has been flying all over with a fake vax card and bragging about it.Thanks for being a concerned citizen. I also went into Walmart in the USA without a mask like 50 times since they announced people no longer had to wear masks there anymore. They stopped disinfecting those carts though, so they must not give a shit about our health like they claimed they did.

I can't for the life of me understand why you are running all around ISG stressing yourself about whether I get sick or not. Quick, you better run over to the other thread where ET is bragging about fucking 2000 hookers with no condom. He is bound to end up catching something one of these days and you need to jump in to protect him. From your dungeon you should call up the Bangkok Hilton and make a reservation for him for being out in the world where he could possibly get sick.

Meanwhile, my vaccinated girlfriend has Covid and is quarantined in a Peruvian hospital for 15 days because they do not want her to infect anybody, so I can not see her this trip. Meanwhile I am out here with nothing so it is impossible for me to infect anybody with something I do not have. It seems your feeble mind can not understand that. You live in Guatemala, so I am sure that you read Spanish.

Signed, Asshole By Nature.

[Explorer8939]

Meanwhile, my vaccinated girlfriend is quarantined in a Peruvian hospital for 15 days, so I can not see her this trip. You live in Guatemala, so I am sure that you read Spanish.

Signed, Asshole By Nature.She doesn't say she is in a hospital.

BTW, my Thai ex-girlfriend wanted to spend a week with me, so she told her customer that she had Covid, to get rid of him for a while.

[EihTooms]

I also went into Walmart without a mask like 50 times since they announced people no longer had to wear masks there anymore. I can't for the life of me understand why you are running all around ISG stressing yourself about whether I get sick or not. Quick, you better run over to the other thread where ET is bragging about fucking 2000 hookers with no condom. You should call up the Bangkok Hilton and make a reservation for him.

Meanwhile, my vaccinated girlfriend is quarantined in a Peruvian hospital for 15 days, so I can not see her this trip. You live in Guatemala, so I am sure that you read Spanish.

Signed, Asshole By Nature.LOL. Hmm. I wouldn't characterize it as "bragging". Maybe if all of the 1,000's I barebacked were 9+ girls and for free.

No, I was merely replying to a question:


So my question. If you have a x% of going bareback with a girl which is common. What is the % of in a 12-15 day trip in the Land you end up itching and burning headed to the Pharmacy? LOL.And I felt it wouldn't be useful info if I didn't cite truthful figures and results and instead gave the impression that I only barebacked 2-3 girls over a span of 12-15 days once or twice a year as was possibly suggested in the question.

[Mr Enternational]

I just received an email from one of my regular resorts that stated Test and Go is back starting February 1. A key difference is tourists must stay in an approved hotel on day 1 and day 5,That ain't test and go if you have to stay there 5 days. That is more reduced sandbox.

[Tomasb]

Yes, so you either have to make a reservation with the same designated hotel for a maximum of five nights or check out for three days and then check back in on day 5. The PCR tests are 2200 b per test so add another 4400 b to your budget to start your trip, not including the extra hotel cost for day 5 (and day 1). Not to mention, it's unclear to me if you were to test positive on day 5, does that mean a trip to the hospital for ten days even if asymptomatic? I am hearing many horror stories about starting out your visit in a field hospital.

And they really expect 5 mm to 8 mm tourists by year end with this revised policy?


That ain't test and go if you have to stay there 5 days. That is more reduced sandbox.

[PedroMorales]

And they really expect 5 mm to 8 mm tourists by year end with this revised policy?Only led by the nose mongers will go to LOS under those conditions. There is too much uncertainty. I would expect massive consolidation in the Thai property sector as the rich squeeze out the losers who had a bar or cafe going to keep their ho happy.

Starting back from scratch, they want shopaholic women and planes full of Chinese, who just want to sample Chinese food, Thai style. They are not interested in horny farangs like me, who will be dropping a small fortune next week on some medical procedures I would have got done at Bumrungrad. Fine.

[Mr Enternational]

She doesn't say she is in a hospital.

BTW, my Thai ex-girlfriend wanted to spend a week with me, so she told her customer that she had Covid, to get rid of him for a while.Sorry pimp if I do not include 100% of every conversation that I copy. But do you see it now?

I am not a customer. When I say girlfriend I mean normal girlfriend, not someone I am giving money to. A couple of months ago I gave her $25 to get back and forth to see me after work and she got angry and gave the money back and said it felt like I was paying her.

[Mr Enternational]

LOL. Hmm. I wouldn't characterize it as "bragging". Maybe if all of the 1,000's I barebacked were 9+ girls and for free.LOL. You know I only said that because it was the term he used. For some reason some people attribute saying something that may be astronomical to them and out of their reach as bragging.

I can't spell worth a shit anymore but when my 9 year old nephew told me that he won the district spelling bee I did not see it as him bragging. I just saw it as him letting me know he won the spelling bee.

Nobody is running around giving a shit if the person next to them has been vaccinated, espeically if they are showing no signs of sickness. It is the governments that are making these rules of showing vaccine cards thinking it will make people feel they are doing something and making a difference when it is not doing a damn thing.

If I have a vaccine card and I have covid then I can enter the restaurant. If I do not have a vaccine card and do not have covid then I can not enter the restaurant. Makes no sense at all allowing someone to enter or not based on having a card or vaccine rather than having an actual disease.

Yesterday to get into Peru I only had to show a negative test, but when I went to the grocery store to buy water and to a restaurant to eat, I had to show a vaccine card. Ridiculous to me when my girl is laying up in a hospital right now with covid having been vaccinated.

Cue Huacho's rant about how I have been entering grocery stores to buy water using a fake vaccine card.

[Banana Boi]

No one is going to sign up for this PCR test on the 1st and 5th day crap. I predict these rules will be amended over the next few days after they hear all the negative feedback people have. Then it will be posted in the Royal Gazette.

Example how silly this rule is. Guy flies in to Bangkok and does 1 night stay in Sha+ hotel. He came back to Thailand to be with his family in Rayong. So after 1 night he drives 3-4 hours to Rayong. On the 5th day he has to book a SHA+ hotel for 1 night and drive 3-4 hours back to Bangkok to get a PCR test. If he had COVID he's already spread it around Rayong so at the very least let him just get the 5th day COVID test in Rayong.

I think the thought process was that people would be lazy and book 5 straight nights at the Test and Go hotel instead of booking nights 1 and 5. One of the things SHA+ hotels were complaining about is that people only stay 1 night and leave.

[Explorer8939]

Sorry pimp if I do not include 100% of every conversation that I copy. But do you see it now?

I am not a customer. When I say girlfriend I mean normal girlfriend, not someone I am giving money to. A couple of months ago I gave her $25 to get back and forth to see me after work and she got angry and gave the money back and said it felt like I was paying her.Yep. She said she was in the hospital.

[PedroMorales]

Mexico has removed all Covid 19 entry requirements. As I have been saying between the postings of the weirdos in the Philippines, it would take those with huevos to break the stalemate. It will be good to go back. Hopefully, no long term residents of the Philippines will pollute it with their presence.

Vamos México!

[Mr Enternational]

Mexico has removed all Covid 19 entry requirements. Vamos Mxico!Do you have an article for this? Different cities in Mexico have had different entry requirements.

[PedroMorales]

Do you have an article for this? Different cities in Mexico have had different entry requirements.https://embamex.sre.gob.mx/suiza/index.php/turismo/covid-19/english

https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions Many airlines use this. I use it too but more as well.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/mexico/entry-requirements#entry-rules-in-response-to-coronavirus-covid-19.

[Houston Player]

Sorry pimp if I do not include 100% of every conversation that I copy. But do you see it now?

I am not a customer. When I say girlfriend I mean normal girlfriend, not someone I am giving money to. A couple of months ago I gave her $25 to get back and forth to see me after work and she got angry and gave the money back and said it felt like I was paying her.You have a funny definition of a girlfriend. You seem to have a girlfriend in every city that you have ever been to and multiple girlfriends in most. You actually have many friends that are girls instead of girlfriends.

It's all good I think most guys understand what you mean.

[Chimpo Chinn]

No one is going to sign up for this PCR test on the 1st and 5th day crap. I predict these rules will be amended over the next few days after they hear all the negative feedback people have. Then it will be posted in the Royal Gazette.

Example how silly this rule is. Guy flies in to Bangkok and does 1 night stay in Sha+ hotel. He came back to Thailand to be with his family in Rayong. So after 1 night he drives 3-4 hours to Rayong. On the 5th day he has to book a SHA+ hotel for 1 night and drive 3-4 hours back to Bangkok to get a PCR test. If he had COVID he's already spread it around Rayong so at the very least let him just get the 5th day COVID test in Rayong.

I think the thought process was that people would be lazy and book 5 straight nights at the Test and Go hotel instead of booking nights 1 and 5. One of the things SHA+ hotels were complaining about is that people only stay 1 night and leave.You don't get Thai Govt. Officials do you.

Hint. They need to look important and smart.

Immigration require you to draw hand made Map to your house to prove residency in Rayong is lunatitacal.

[Chimpo Chinn]

You have a funny definition of a girlfriend. You seem to have a girlfriend in every city that you have ever been to and multiple girlfriends in most. You actually have many friends that are girls instead of girlfriends.

It's all good I think most guys understand what you mean.I think most of us don't understand this guy.

Only he does it the right way.

[Houston Player]

No one is going to sign up for this PCR test on the 1st and 5th day crap. I predict these rules will be amended over the next few days after they hear all the negative feedback people have. Then it will be posted in the Royal Gazette.

Example how silly this rule is. Guy flies in to Bangkok and does 1 night stay in Sha+ hotel. He came back to Thailand to be with his family in Rayong. So after 1 night he drives 3-4 hours to Rayong. On the 5th day he has to book a SHA+ hotel for 1 night and drive 3-4 hours back to Bangkok to get a PCR test. If he had COVID he's already spread it around Rayong so at the very least let him just get the 5th day COVID test in Rayong.

I think the thought process was that people would be lazy and book 5 straight nights at the Test and Go hotel instead of booking nights 1 and 5. One of the things SHA+ hotels were complaining about is that people only stay 1 night and leave.I agree with what you're saying but just a correction the SHA hotel for the second test can be in any province in Thailand only the first hotel needs to be in Bangkok.

[Explorer8939]

Do you have an article for this? Different cities in Mexico have had different entry requirements.Mexico has dropped all Covid requirements to enter the country.

[Explorer8939]

I agree with what you're saying but just a correction the SHA hotel for the second test can be in any province in Thailand only the first hotel needs to be in Bangkok.I can't argue with you, because the new rules have not yet been published.

[Mr Enternational]

You have a funny definition of a girlfriend. You seem to have a girlfriend in every city that you have ever been to and multiple girlfriends in most. You actually have many friends that are girls instead of girlfriends.

It's all good I think most guys understand what you mean.Maybe I do have a funny definition. When I say girlfriend I mean my main girl that I have in a particular place that I go out and do normal shit like travel and go to the movies with.

Then I would also have several side chicks that we probably just mainly fuck, but I would not refer to them as a girlfriend. I would refer to them as a chick that I mess with or one of my chicks.

Then I would refer to a chick that I give money to as a hooker. And this would be a payment on a per meeting basis. I do not send remittances or keep anyone on retainer. If you did not get it when you were in front of me then you will not be getting it.

[Banana Boi]

I agree with what you're saying but just a correction the SHA hotel for the second test can be in any province in Thailand only the first hotel needs to be in Bangkok.You are correct you can get the 2nd test in any province but not every province will have SHA+ hotels. We'll see the SHA+ hotel list and what the Royal Gazette ends up publishing after the backlash this new proposal generates.

Correct Tomas. Now your 1st 16 days in Thailand could be wasted. Day 1 SHA+ hotel waiting for test. Days 2-5 for anyone smart is really don't go with any girls and more or less stay in your hotel. Day 5 SHA+ hotel waiting test. Day 6 test is positive even though you are symptomatic. Days 6-16 you're in a hospital with all other COVID Farang. At least for other countries you get to stay in the hotel for quarantine and not go to a hospital.

[HorseTrader]

…. it's unclear to me if you were to test positive on day 5, does that mean a trip to the hospital for ten days even if asymptomatic? I am hearing many horror stories …For me, that is the main problem with Thailand travel now.

I was assuming that there was no need to make your first and fifth nights in the same hotel. Thought I could do night 1 in Bangkok and night 5 in Hua Hin and any other place other times.

[PedroMorales]

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/mexico/entry-requirements#entry-rules-in-response-to-coronavirus-covid-19.

Mexico's second link did not come up properly so there it is above. I am moderated here, meaning I cannot edit my own posts and must wait until they are approved. This is because a former USAID fat cat, who lives in the Philippines and who has never posted one, single solitary report but it here for other, more sinister reasons, objected to me calling prostitutes he has never met and I have skanks, just as one might call them hookers (an Americanism) or whatever.

As regards your points about various regions of Mexico having different rules, they do not control border entry, which is a privilege that can be denied even to citizens as we have seen during this Covid baloney. I have forfeited several flights during Covid because of that. Hotels next week have told me I must produce certs on arrival. Fancy arriving late at night with no certs. You'd be out with Jesus, Mary and Joseph hoping to get into a shed with a water buffalo.

Davos is winding up now. And so too is Covid. This is so even though several. France, Netherlands, Greece, Italy, Austria / Germany and more have, along with the Nazi state of Australia, draconian laws.

The rule of thumb now is one must check multiple sources before travel for things like locator forms.

Mongering is now a matter of logistics, of putting an increasing number of ducks in order. In the past, mongers hit BKK and Pattaya only. Travel anywhere beyond them was too exotic, too much hassle. Now they too are too much hassle because of too many rules by too many bodies.


https://embamex.sre.gob.mx/suiza/index.php/turismo/covid-19/english

https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions Many airlines use this. I use it too but more as well.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/mexico/entry-requirements#entry-rules-in-response-to-coronavirus-covid-19.


Do you have an article for this? Different cities in Mexico have had different entry requirements.

[Explorer8939]

For me, that is the main problem with Thailand travel now.

I was assuming that there was no need to make your first and fifth nights in the same hotel. Thought I could do night 1 in Bangkok and night 5 in Hua Hin and any other place other times.The specific rules for the new Test and Go have not been published. Until then, everyone is guessing.

[Mr Enternational]

As regards your points about various regions of Mexico having different rules, they do not control border entry, which is a privilege that can be denied even to citizens as we have seen during this Covid baloney.Cancun, Mexico City, Puerto Vallarta, LOS Cabos all have different requirements to enter Mexico by air.

[Tomasb]

That's a good description to line out the risk you undertake by going to Thailand now. Because Omicron virus does not always appear on first test, there is always the potential that you were infected on your journey to Bangkok so even if you stayed in your hotel for day 2- 5, you could still test positive because of a prior contact. The whole reason for the the additional testing on Day 5 is because some tourists and citizens entering the country in late 2021 were tested as negative and then discovered afterwards that they had been infected on their flight or traveling to airport or whatever.

But is it a steadfast rule that you have to go to hospital if you tested positive on either day 1 or 5 or can you stay isolated in your hotel?

It would still suck as you pointed out as that means up to 16 days you are in limbo, either in a hospital or quarantined. The risks might be small but who knows given the virulence of Omicron. IMHO, I am taking a hard pass on traveling there at the present time. Also, since the clubs are closed and the drink curfew is at 11 pm, it is also another reason not to bother. It seems the joy has left the city for late night carousing, mongering, or just wandering about in the wee hours.


You are correct you can get the 2nd test in any province but not every province will have SHA+ hotels. We'll see the SHA+ hotel list and what the Royal Gazette ends up publishing after the backlash this new proposal generates.

Correct Tomas. Now your 1st 16 days in Thailand could be wasted. Day 1 SHA+ hotel waiting for test. Days 2-5 for anyone smart is really don't go with any girls and more or less stay in your hotel. Day 5 SHA+ hotel waiting test. Day 6 test is positive even though you are symptomatic. Days 6-16 you're in a hospital with all other COVID Farang. At least for other countries you get to stay in the hotel for quarantine and not go to a hospital.

[Explorer8939]

The latest Test and Go rules.

[Allover]

But is it a steadfast rule that you have to go to hospital if you tested positive on either day 1 or 5 or can you stay isolated in your hotel?I wish we had a definitive answer to this question. Either way the thought of having to quarantine for an extra 10 days, even in a nice hotel, will keep me away from Thailand for the time being.

[PedroMorales]

I wish we had a definitive answer to this question. Either way the thought of having to quarantine for an extra 10 days, even in a nice hotel, will keep me away from Thailand for the time being.Governments are flip flopping as they balance the views of their focus groups with those of their more draconian overlords. Travelling anywhere in these times, as I am, involved a lot of extra uncertainty. Added to that, one has to deal with all kinds of min or ass holes, some of whom let the authority go to their heads. To take an ongoing example. And let's hope Mr Entertainment or some other ghetto dweller does not weigh in. In ordinary times, you have two passports, one for the Peoples Republic of China and another for the Republic of China (IE Taiwan). Taiwanese I have bonked have claimed they ran into problems many times with airport / immigration staff mistaking one passport (and visa criteria) for the other. Fancy where we stand with non stop Covid flip flops.

We have seen such BS already with countries in Africa being on green lists (unrealistic for logistics) and others being on other lists. In the civilized world, a Dutch could fly from Portugal with no problem, or go from Spain to Portugal with no problem and then fly onwards but could not fly from Spain. Then the situation was reversed, Spain ok, Portugal not ok. If a simple hop like that is so problematic, what chance has a longer one (with stop overs)?

[ElMexicant]

Staying at an airbnb for the first time ever in Thailand and the owner upon me checking in informed me that I had to file paperwork with immigration with my passport showing my current residency. But I recalled reading in the Cambodia forum that travel agents would for a fee go to immigration on your behalf for a fee. So I stopped by a local visa agent and for 500 baht they went and filed the paperwork with my passport, just had to pick it up the next day. Anyway got their LINE ID and said I would be stopping by to do the 30 day extension and was informed I could now increase that to 60 days for an extra 2000 baht. Have plans to go to Cambodia but for 2000 baht this gives me some extra insurance if I am delayed, flight cancelations etc.This is from Richard Barrow. No more COVID extensions for Non Immigrant Visas like work or education. Looks like they are kicking them out and those who came on VOA. You will also have to do a 30 days automatic extend before applying for a 60 day COVID extension.

🔴 Good news for people on the special covid stamp. On this Immigration letter released today, it says that the deadline to apply for the stamp has now been extended to 25th March 2022. However, they add that they will be even stricter than before.

I will need to consult with some visa experts, but it looks like people with Visa on Arrival (Section 3) and Non-Immigrant Visa (Section 5) can no longer use the covid stamp to extend their stay in #Thailand. I will add more information soon.

Update: I've spoken with someone in Immigration and this is what I understand from that conversation:

If you have VOA you cannot change to Covid stamp.

If you have a Tourist Visa you can change to Covid stamp after you've extended it for 30 days.

If you have a Non be, for example, and you lose your job, you cannot change to Covid stamp.

On some other questions they will get back time. But Immigration should be releasing some infographics tomorrow.

[Locamotive]

No one is going to sign up for this PCR test on the 1st and 5th day crap. I predict these rules will be amended over the next few days after they hear all the negative feedback people have. Then it will be posted in the Royal Gazette.

Example how silly this rule is. Guy flies in to Bangkok and does 1 night stay in Sha+ hotel. He came back to Thailand to be with his family in Rayong. So after 1 night he drives 3-4 hours to Rayong. On the 5th day he has to book a SHA+ hotel for 1 night and drive 3-4 hours back to Bangkok to get a PCR test. If he had COVID he's already spread it around Rayong so at the very least let him just get the 5th day COVID test in Rayong.

I think the thought process was that people would be lazy and book 5 straight nights at the Test and Go hotel instead of booking nights 1 and 5. One of the things SHA+ hotels were complaining about is that people only stay 1 night and leave.What if you are not staying 5 days? You want to go over just for the weekend. Can you just leave on day 3 or4?

[Banana Boi]

What if you are not staying 5 days? You want to go over just for the weekend. Can you just leave on day 3 or4?Pretty sure not many people will go through the hassle of getting a Thailand Pass, purchasing asymptomatic COVID insurance, pay for a RT-PCR test before departure and again on arrival, be stuck in a SHA+ quarantine hotel for 1 night, only to leave a day or 3 later. But if you don't mind risking 10 days hospitalization there is nothing stopping you from leaving on day 3 or 4 if you tested negative. Keep in mind you will be there a minimum of 11 days if you test positive on arrival. You also may raise red flags for a sharp Immigration Officer too.

If you are really interested in doing this, ask on a Visa board like The Thaiger or AseanNow.

[IGotBottle]

Hello folks,

First time on ISG. Nice to meet you all.

I am flying in to Thailand this week on the 30-day stay and have some questions regarding visa and extensions; if any of you could help me out with them that would be great:

1. Is it possible to apply for a tourist visa after I arrive in Thailand? Google seems to say no but I couldn't find a clear answer.

2. Is the maximum extension on the 30-day stay the 60-day Covid extension? Making the maximum stay 90 days? Any way to stay longer than 90 days, perhaps through multiple extensions?

[Mr Enternational]

The Questionnaire of Identification of Risk Factors in Travelers. Once

Completed, arrivals to PVR International Airport will receive a QR.

Complete the health questionnaire.Exactly. This is not needed for Cancun or Mexico City, but is required for Puerto Vallarta and Los Cabos. So what disinformation are you talking about? If you had actually been there then you would have known this instead of thinking you can google your way through the rest of your life.

That mold in the basement must be getting to you. Come out and live real life and go somewhere cool like the rest of us. Or maybe your kids are doing the right thing keeping you locked down there. You know grandpa is not allowed to come out for any fresh air. Just make sure his computer stays charged.

[Allover]

Governments are flip flopping as they balance the views of their focus groups with those of their more draconian overlords. Travelling anywhere in these times, as I am, involved a lot of extra uncertainty. Added to that, one has to deal with all kinds of min or ass holes, some of whom let the authority go to their heads. To take an ongoing example. And let's hope Mr Entertainment or some other ghetto dweller does not weigh in.Thanks for supporting my decision but I'm very unimpressed with the rest of your post.

[Downandup]

Hello folks,

First time on ISG. Nice to meet you all.

I am flying in to Thailand this week on the 30-day stay and have some questions regarding visa and extensions; if any of you could help me out with them that would be great:

1. Is it possible to apply for a tourist visa after I arrive in Thailand? Google seems to say no but I couldn't find a clear answer.

2. Is the maximum extension on the 30-day stay the 60-day Covid extension? Making the maximum stay 90 days? Any way to stay longer than 90 days, perhaps through multiple extensions?Oh boy! You won't be flying into Thailand unless you are heading to Phuket or another sandbox area for two weeks, once you get to the airport you will have to show your Thailand Pass to prove this. The visa waiver program is suspended right now and does not restart until February 1st. What's more there are testing requirements that it appears that you are unaware of and should have been checking on since you booked as the requirements keep changing.

[Explorer8939]

Exactly. This is not needed for Cancun or Mexico City, but is required for Puerto Vallarta and Los Cabos. So what disinformation are you talking about? If you had actually been there then you would have known this instead of thinking you can google your way through the rest of your life.

That mold in the basement must be getting to you. Come out and live real life and go somewhere cool like the rest of us. Or maybe your kids are doing the right thing keeping you locked down there. You know grandpa is not allowed to come out for any fresh air. Just make sure his computer stays charged.The questionnaire is a vestige from last year, and has officially been abandoned. There is nobody to process any questionnaire.

[Finnish Fucker]

Pretty sure not many people will go through the hassle of getting a Thailand Pass, purchasing asymptomatic COVID insurance, pay for a RT-PCR test before departure and again on arrival, be stuck in a SHA+ quarantine hotel for 1 night, only to leave a day or 3 later. But if you don't mind risking 10 days hospitalization there is nothing stopping you from leaving on day 3 or 4 if you tested negative. Keep in mind you will be there a minimum of 11 days if you test positive on arrival. You also may raise red flags for a sharp Immigration Officer too.
If you are really interested in doing this, ask on a Visa board like The Thaiger or AseanNow.Getting the Thailand pass was really easy. But the risk of testing positive on arrival or day 6 and being sent to a hospital is the crap part. Gave me too much anxiety in my first week of vacation. And combined with all the bars closing at 21, no agogos open, this trip was definitely the worst what I have experienced in Thailand in my 14 years of travelling. Not worth the stress if you have 2 weeks vacation. If I´d have 2 months trip then I would not give a shit if I get infected or not.

I will not make a new trip to Thailand until the mandatory PCR testing is over and / or the nightlife is more open.

[Mr Enternational]

Getting the Thailand pass was really easy. But the risk of testing positive on arrival or day 6 and being sent to a hospital is the crap part. Gave me too much anxiety in my first week of vacation.

I will not make a new trip to Thailand until the mandatory PCR testing is over and / or the nightlife is more open.The juice is not worth the squeeze. There are too many countries that you can go to right now that do not have the hoops of "applying" for a pass beforehand, mandatory insurance, taking 10 million Covid tests, and quarantining. The most you have to do is flash a vaccine card or negative test. Why does Thailand complicate things so much?

[Huacho]

The most you have to do is flash a vaccine card or negative test. Why does Thailand complicate things so much?Could it possibly be because of all the assholes flying around with fake vax cards like you brag about doing?

[IGotBottle]

Oh boy! You won't be flying into Thailand unless you are heading to Phuket or another sandbox area for two weeks, once you get to the airport you will have to show your Thailand Pass to prove this. The visa waiver program is suspended right now and does not restart until February 1st. What's more there are testing requirements that it appears that you are unaware of and should have been checking on since you booked as the requirements keep changing.I have Thailand Pass and will be doing AQ. Not sure what the "testing requirements that keep changing" are that you speak of.

[Downandup]

I have Thailand Pass and will be doing AQ. Not sure what the "testing requirements that keep changing" are that you speak of.If you are doing AQ then you know what you are doing, your first question looked as if you had just bought a ticket. The testing requirements that I mentioned are all the PCR tests required. I did Test & Go where I needed a PCR test before departure and on arrival at a SHA+ hotel the first night. And when that restarts, you now have to return to a SHA+ hotel and get another PCR test on day 5. And then there are the recent antigen tests required to get into most establishments such as restaurants.

[Banana Boi]

9 cases of Omicron subvariant BA. 2.

Where did this subvariant come from? Never even knew one existed until today.

[Horatio]

What are some countries in south America that have similar overnight options like Thailand? I like overnight much better than short time. Thanks.


The juice is not worth the squeeze. There are too many countries that you can go to right now that do not have the hoops of "applying" for a pass beforehand, mandatory insurance, taking 10 million Covid tests, and quarantining. The most you have to do is flash a vaccine card or negative test. Why does Thailand complicate things so much?

[Sam Sanuk]

Many international travellers need a RT PCR test before boarding a plane. This is particularly true if flying from BKK to Cambodia. I am curious to know if such tests are available in the lower Sukhumvit area or at the airport. Turn around time and cost info would also be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

SS.

[Povheadhunter]

Could it possibly be because of all the assholes flying around with fake vax cards like you brag about doing?Being vaccinated does not stop the spread so who's the asshole now. Looking at you Huacho.

[Explorer8939]

https://www.novotelairportbkk.com/offers/testandfly/

Novotel has a test and fly package.

[EihTooms]

Being vaccinated does not stop the spread so who's the asshole now. Looking at you Huacho.Being vaccinated reduces your chances of getting infected and therefore providing a host body for the virus to mutate and produce variants that might someday override most or all vaccine protections when you then infect others by at least 5 times:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/cdc-unvaccinated-5-times-more-likely-get-covid-19

This ongoing circular effect of infection, possible mutation into variants, transmission to others, wait and see studies of those new conditions that might or might not require new travel restrictions and quarantine rules and on and on and on is largely being fueled by the unvaccinated, either by choice or unfortunate circumstance of lack of access to the vaccines.

[Explorer8939]

The latest on Test and Go.

[Sam Sanuk]

https://www.novotelairportbkk.com/offers/testandfly/

Novotel has a test and fly package.Great info and one I'm inclined to book! And the graphic posted here is a very informative piece of info. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=332079&d=1643277825.

Thanks,

SS.

[Allover]

https://nextshark.com/thailand-traitep-dream-forest/

[Explorer8939]

I am traveling with a Thai lady outside Thailand, and will do Test and Go with her when I return. After we are released, I will go back to my condo, when I am not going to have much contact with anyone. My Thai lady friend will go back with her husband and live in party central.

On Day 5, I will test with her again. The question is what happens if she is positive and I am negative?

[Member #4753]

I am traveling with a Thai lady outside Thailand, and will do Test and Go with her when I return. After we are released, I will go back to my condo, when I am not going to have much contact with anyone. My Thai lady friend will go back with her husband and live in party central.

On Day 5, I will test with her again. The question is what happens if she is positive and I am negative?On day 5 book 2 seperate hotel rooms, in 2 seperate hotels.

[HorseTrader]

I am traveling with a Thai lady outside Thailand, and will do Test and Go with her when I return. After we are released, I will go back to my condo, when I am not going to have much contact with anyone. My Thai lady friend will go back with her husband and live in party central.

On Day 5, I will test with her again. The question is what happens if she is positive and I am negative?


On day 5 book 2 seperate hotel rooms, in 2 seperate hotels.I agree with MaxBkk, suggest you also buy separate hotel rooms for day 1. It won't hurt to buy your return flights using separate itineraries. Do whatever you can to make the paperwork appear as if you are traveling separately.

On a related note, it is my plan to wear N95 mask while in airports and other places when close to people. I'll continue that process for about the first 3-4 days. I doubt the day 5 PCR test will be positive after a day 4 exposure.

[Explorer8939]

I agree with MaxBkk, suggest you also buy separate hotel rooms for day 1. It won't hurt to buy your return flights using separate itineraries. Do whatever you can to make the paperwork appear as if you are traveling separately.

On a related note, it is my plan to wear N95 mask while in airports and other places when close to people. I'll continue that process for about the first 3-4 days. I doubt the day 5 PCR test will be positive after a day 4 exposure.Actually, I thinking of sending her home alone to Thailand, and staying alone in Brazil for a while.

[Member #4753]

On a related note, it is my plan to wear N95 mask while in airports and other places when close to people. I'll continue that process for about the first 3-4 days. I doubt the day 5 PCR test will be positive after a day 4 exposure.That is exactly what I did when coming back on BKK a few weeks ago.

[AdaeLover]

Many international travellers need a RT PCR test before boarding a plane. This is particularly true if flying from BKK to Cambodia. I am curious to know if such tests are available in the lower Sukhumvit area or at the airport. Turn around time and cost info would also be appreciated. Thanks in advance..Near the Philippines Embassy in Sukhumvit soi 30 you have an option, 2900 THB, 24-36 hours.

Sukhumvit 21, the Japanese Pharmacy / clinic has the saliva one for 4000 THB, I think 48 hours.

[Banana Boi]

Many international travellers need a RT PCR test before boarding a plane. I've been reading stories of guys who have tested positive while getting a PCR test in order to board a plane home. They are then hospitalized for 10 days delaying their trip home. Not only that they are also being charged an overstay fee while they are in the hospital because they didn't go to Immigration to extend their Visa. Not sure how someone is supposed to get to Immigration if they are forced to go to the hospital.

New numbers out for Phuket Sandbox. 2% testing positive on arrival, 5% on day 5 PCR test. So out of 2800 arrivals per day 196 people will be hospitalized before 7 day Sandbox is completed. Thailand investigating a high proportion of tourists from Russia who are testing positive on arrival.

[HorseTrader]

I've been reading stories of guys who have tested positive while getting a PCR test in order to board a plane home. They are then hospitalized for 10 days delaying their trip home. Not only that they are also being charged an overstay fee while they are in the hospital because they didn't go to Immigration to extend their Visa. Not sure how someone is supposed to get to Immigration if they are forced to go to the hospital.

New numbers out for Phuket Sandbox. 2% testing positive on arrival, 5% on day 5 PCR test. So out of 2800 arrivals per day 196 people will be hospitalized before 7 day Sandbox is completed. Thailand investigating a high proportion of tourists from Russia who are testing positive on arrival.Those are among my concerns. I've scheduled my stay to be slightly longer than 30 days and will get the E-Visa (seems quick, easy, and free); I expect that will extend my time to 60 days. As mentioned below, I'll be very careful at home before going to the airport and will wear N95 mask during travel. Assuming I pass my day-1 PCR test, I'll stay mostly isolated until about day 4, if I'm exposed to COVID after day 4 it is unlikely that my day-5 PCR test will show a problem.

My bigger concern is hotels in resort areas. Specifically 2 hotels in Samui and 1 in Hua Hin have their own requirements to demonstrate negative PCR test results within 72 hours of checking in at their hotels. I'm still looking for hotels in those areas without that requirement. Informal backchannel information with another poster confirms this concept, but indicates this is seldom done on Phuket. I may find myself spending more time on Phuket than ideal.

[Member #4753]

New numbers out for Phuket Sandbox. 2% testing positive on arrival, 5% on day 5 PCR test. So out of 2800 arrivals per day 196 people will be hospitalized before 7 day Sandbox is completed. Thailand investigating a high proportion of tourists from Russia who are testing positive on arrival.When I came back into Thailand through Phuket around Christmas / New Year Russians were the largest tourist group. They have a very relaxed view towards covid, masks were only worn when absolutely necessary and as soon as they hit Phuket Airport were in full on holiday / party mode.

[Member #4753]

My bigger concern is hotels in resort areas. Specifically 2 hotels in Samui and 1 in Hua Hin have their own requirements to demonstrate negative PCR test results within 72 hours of checking in at their hotels. I'm still looking for hotels in those areas without that requirement. Informal backchannel information with another poster confirms this concept, but indicates this is seldom done on Phuket. I may find myself spending more time on Phuket than ideal.Phuket was relatively easy. I landed about 5 pm, Test at airport on arrival, at hotel by 7 pm. Had to stay in room until result which came 12 hours later at around 7 am. Forwarded the test email to hotel reception and was free from that point.

Test on day 5 was easy as well. Went to my predetermined testing location, got swabbed and result was back again in 12 hours.

My experience in Thailand is that paid for tests get given priority over say free tests administered by government. I have taken probably a dozen PCR tests in Thailand, all paid for and all back in 12 hours or less despite the standard disclaimer of 24 to 48 hours.

The good thing about Phuket is that you have to book the tests through another website. So hotels do not get involved.

[HorseTrader]

I'm finally back in Thailand for the next few months, luckily made a window where there's only 1-day quarantine, and flew to Samui for a little non-mongering style relaxation.

And guess what? I caught covid, even though I have 3 vaccinations and I'm quite careful about wearing my mask, except when I eat at restaurants.

I took 2 brands of quick tests, both returned negative results, but I was feeling so bad I went to a hospital, and tested positive.

The entire experience (besides what was probably one of the worst flus I've had) wasn't terrible. The hotel they quarantined me in had an ocean view, and the food wasn't bad.

Still. It shows that even being careful and vaccinated you can get infected.Sorry for your illness, hope you are now fully recovered.

This is good information for us. It's very easy to learn how to get into Thailand, but there is very little detailed information regarding what happens if you test positive. (1) Do you get a choice as to where you go after testing positive? (2) How long must you stay in quarantine if your symptoms are mild? (3) Do you still need to pay for your original hotel while you are in a quarantine hotel? (4) Did your mandatory insurance pay for everything (hotel? hospital? transportation? food?)?

This information has been hard for me to find. Thanks for any insight that you can provide.

[LookingLooking]

Sorry for your illness, hope you are now fully recovered.

This is good information for us. It's very easy to learn how to get into Thailand, but there is very little detailed information regarding what happens if you test positive. (1) Do you get a choice as to where you go after testing positive? (2) How long must you stay in quarantine if your symptoms are mild? (3) Do you still need to pay for your original hotel while you are in a quarantine hotel? (4) Did your mandatory insurance pay for everything (hotel? hospital? transportation? food?)?

This information has been hard for me to find. Thanks for any insight that you can provide.I had the same experience as MissionAsia, except that I didn't have a room with such a good view and food for me was not as good.

1) You can choose the hospital / hospitel to admit to. After your admission is confirm, you can no longer choose.

2) I was made to stay in the hospitel for 10 days. I admitted around 11 pm on day 1. 1 hour after I admitted is already day 2. On day 10 you don't get to leave like right after midnight of day 9. Ask the hospital / hospitel for discharge timing. Some of my friends got quarantined for up to 14 days, so the quarantine period may differ according to hospitals. But health ministry's advice is a minimum of 10 days. More serious symptoms have to stay longer in hospital of course, at least till you are no longer in danger.

3) The day I move to the hospitel was the last day of my hotel booking. So this question is not applicable for me.

4) I got my insurance from a Thai insurer. You may want to enquire about their insurer hospital list and choose from there which one to admit into. They have a system link with the insurer and claims will be made by the hospital on your behalf. You probably need to pay a deposit to get admitted first, usually range 100 k-250 k baht. After you get discharged, they will show you the bill and say how much is claimable form insurer and how much is not. They will refund your deposit amount less the amounts which are not claimable. My non claimable portion was about 4200 baht. Total bill turned out to be somewhere around 87 k baht (claim 83 k from insurer).

[HorseTrader]

I had the same experience as MissionAsia, except that I didn't have a room with such a good view and food for me was not as good.Thank you for that great information. Sorry you had the illness and hope all is well now.

[Banana Boi]

I was made to stay in the hospitel for 10 days.So after a positive test on Day 1 are there not any other tests done where if you negative a couple of times you can leave? Scary that you may get a false positive and no follow up tests are done.


Some of my friends got quarantined for up to 14 days, so the quarantine period may differ according to hospitals.Which hospitals made your friends stay 14 days? This would be very helpful information so we know not to book hotels related to these hospitals.

[Banana Boi]

You are only allowed to bring 30 face masks with you in to Thailand. 50 if you have a medical note.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/air-travellers-warned-not-to-bring-more-than-30-face-masks-on-board-overseas-flights/

That means if I stay 60 days I have to use my N95 masks 2 days in a row. Pretty sure that isn't helping contamination in Thailand. Are they actually selling 3M N95 masks in Thailand now? Not interested in China KN95.

[ActionGene]

You are only allowed to bring 30 face masks with you in to Thailand. 50 if you have a medical note.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/air-travellers-warned-not-to-bring-more-than-30-face-masks-on-board-overseas-flights/

That means if I stay 60 days I have to use my N95 masks 2 days in a row. Pretty sure that isn't helping contamination in Thailand. Are they actually selling 3M N95 masks in Thailand now? Not interested in China KN95.I think this article is saying that you cannot leave Thailand with more than 30 masks. They do not want you to export the masks from Thailand to other countries.

[Member #4753]

You are only allowed to bring 30 face masks with you in to Thailand. 50 if you have a medical note.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/air-travellers-warned-not-to-bring-more-than-30-face-masks-on-board-overseas-flights/

That means if I stay 60 days I have to use my N95 masks 2 days in a row. Pretty sure that isn't helping contamination in Thailand. Are they actually selling 3M N95 masks in Thailand now? Not interested in China KN95.3 M N95 masks are not readily available in Thailand. The closest thing is the 3 M KF94 made in Korea which you can find at Watsons and Boots. The Chinese KN95 are everywhere but the quality is "variable" at best.

Just bring as many masks as you want. Thai customs are not going to see or care about how many masks you bring. They are only concerned with very illegal stuff or local Thai people exceeding their duty free allowance.

[Breadman]

So I'm sitting around yesterday talking to a few guys and one is an American heading home the following morning and I asked him where he got the covid test. He said he just walked into a clinic and they emailed him the results in a few hours. I said PCR test? He said 'No, antigen test. You only need an antigen test to fly into the USA'. Left it at that. Next morning it dawns on me that there are no direct flights back to the USA from Thailand, your flying on foreign carriers that might demand a PCR test to fly into their country (such as Japan, Korea etc). I wonder if he was able to board his flight this morning?

[LookingLooking]

So after a positive test on Day 1 are there not any other tests done where if you negative a couple of times you can leave? Scary that you may get a false positive and no follow up tests are done.

Which hospitals made your friends stay 14 days? This would be very helpful information so we know not to book hotels related to these hospitals.No other tests were done after day 1. I know I have it because I was feeling really bad with symptoms including a burning fever and bad chills. I was shivering with the slightest movement of air around me. Pretty much recovered after 3 days just by taking medication available from 7-11. Throughout the 10 days I experienced almost all the symptoms of the Omnicon variant as they said in the news and research papers, including a lower back pain which was very unique.

After I recovered and returned to my country, I was tested positive on PCR again. Yes you can still test positive after recovery, up to the next 90 days. So this confirmed that mine wasnt a false positive.

Those I had been in close contact or should I say bodily contact with up to 4 days before I got tested positive, were all tested positive too and sent to quarantine. They self reported to authorities after testing positive. Don't worry, the authorities won't ask who your close contacts were and round them all up for quarantine. Even if you had a partner staying in the same room with you, she still won't be hauled into quarantined if she tested negative.

I do hear many patients (with no symptoms) complaining about conspiracy theories of making these tests turn up positive in order to sell more hotel rooms to them in the form of hospitels. PCR tests have a very low rate of error. Chances are these patients are just in denial mode of having to waste time and pay for 10 days of quarantine when they don't feel unwell at all. I must add that I have tested negative all along in many ATK tests I took from the day I was detected to 4 weeks later. In thailand, if you got a positive on ATK it would still have to be confirmed with another PCR test before they classify you as a positive case.

No idea which hospitals my infected friends stayed at. They were all thai and all admitted into private hospitals. Their english wasnt good so they all misspelled the hospital names to me and I have no idea which hospitals are these.

If you are not sure how many days you'll be spending in the hospital or hospitel, do ask the staff before you admit. They will tell you. If you are not happy with it, look for another hospital to admit into.

[ActionGene]

You are only allowed to bring 30 face masks with you in to Thailand. 50 if you have a medical note.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/air-travellers-warned-not-to-bring-more-than-30-face-masks-on-board-overseas-flights/

That means if I stay 60 days I have to use my N95 masks 2 days in a row. Pretty sure that isn't helping contamination in Thailand. Are they actually selling 3M N95 masks in Thailand now? Not interested in China KN95.I think this article is stating that you cannot leave Thailand with more than 30 masks. There is a ban on exporting the masks as they want to keep them available for their citizens.

[TConor]

You are only allowed to bring 30 face masks with you in to Thailand. 50 if you have a medical note.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/air-travellers-warned-not-to-bring-more-than-30-face-masks-on-board-overseas-flights/

That means if I stay 60 days I have to use my N95 masks 2 days in a row. Pretty sure that isn't helping contamination in Thailand. Are they actually selling 3M N95 masks in Thailand now? Not interested in China KN95.And this was old news from a year ago and no longer applies.

[Explorer8939]

You are only allowed to bring 30 face masks with you in to Thailand. 50 if you have a medical note.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/air-travellers-warned-not-to-bring-more-than-30-face-masks-on-board-overseas-flights/

That means if I stay 60 days I have to use my N95 masks 2 days in a row. Pretty sure that isn't helping contamination in Thailand. Are they actually selling 3M N95 masks in Thailand now? Not interested in China KN95.First off, it's fake news.

Secondly, it's about taking masks out of Thailand.

[Mr Enternational]

You only need an antigen test to fly into the USA'. Left it at that. Next morning it dawns on me that there are no direct flights back to the USA from Thailand, your flying on foreign carriers that might demand a PCR test to fly into their country (such as Japan, Korea etc). I wonder if he was able to board his flight this morning?Yep. Depends on the country you are stopping through. It is best to call the airline and ask or some of them have the info on their apps and websites.

One of my chicks was flying from Chile to where she is from in Dominican Republic, stopping over in Panama. She went to the airport in Chile twice and was denied. With her going through Panama they wanted her to be vaccinated and have certain paperwork, which took her over 1 month to get.

[LookingLooking]

So I'm sitting around yesterday talking to a few guys and one is an American heading home the following morning and I asked him where he got the covid test. He said he just walked into a clinic and they emailed him the results in a few hours. I said PCR test? He said 'No, antigen test. You only need an antigen test to fly into the USA'. Left it at that. Next morning it dawns on me that there are no direct flights back to the USA from Thailand, your flying on foreign carriers that might demand a PCR test to fly into their country (such as Japan, Korea etc). I wonder if he was able to board his flight this morning?There are places where you can enter with just a negative antigen test result. He could transit from there.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks guys. My bad. My speed reading and English as a 3rd/4th language doesn't help at times.

[PedroMorales]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10479521/Gangster-30-dead-outside-luxury-villa-Phuket.html

Singh got at least 18 bullets into him.

Note to self: Do not become a gangster, flee to Phuket and make serious enemies.

[Sir Lancelot]

I've got a question about testing. I'll soon be in Thailand (Krabi's sandbox) and will have a PCR test on days 1 and 6. If clear, I plan to head to Pattaya, Bangkok and Chiang Mai.

My question is, when might I get tested throughout my trip? For example, do tourists get tested before taking domestic flights / trains? How about bars? I remember reading a while ago that customers were required to get tested before entering bars but I assume that's no longer the case? How about the entrances to Nana Plaza / Soi Cowboy / large beer complexes in Pattaya?

Secondly, are rapid lateral flow tests easily available for tourists and if so, where from?

[PinkPearl]

4) I got my insurance from a Thai insurer. You may want to enquire about their insurer hospital list and choose from there which one to admit into. They have a system link with the insurer and claims will be made by the hospital on your behalf. You probably need to pay a deposit to get admitted first, usually range 100 k-250 k baht. After you get discharged, they will show you the bill and say how much is claimable form insurer and how much is not. They will refund your deposit amount less the amounts which are not claimable. My non claimable portion was about 4200 baht. Total bill turned out to be somewhere around 87 k baht (claim 83 k from insurer).I'm wondering who your insurer was. And how to avoid making a 100000 to 250000 baht deposit.

Also how much did you end up paying for your hospital bill. Are you implying that you get back 83000 out of the 87000 baht bill from your insurer, so only pay 4000 baht for a 10 day hospital stay.

Did you get a 83000 baht cheque from your insurer.

[Member #4753]

I've got a question about testing. I'll soon be in Thailand (Krabi's sandbox) and will have a PCR test on days 1 and 6. If clear, I plan to head to Pattaya, Bangkok and Chiang Mai.

My question is, when might I get tested throughout my trip? For example, do tourists get tested before taking domestic flights / trains? How about bars? I remember reading a while ago that customers were required to get tested before entering bars but I assume that's no longer the case? How about the entrances to Nana Plaza / Soi Cowboy / large beer complexes in Pattaya?

Secondly, are rapid lateral flow tests easily available for tourists and if so, where from?No testing is required to get on a domestic plane, however they sometimes ask to see your vaccination certificate or record.

Bars etc: To use Soi Cowboy as an example. About 3 weeks ago when more and more bars within the soi opened, there was no entry without taking a rapid Antigen test at both ends of the Soi. As this has an affect of reducing customer numbers by probably 90%, it was slowly done away with. Currently there is no testing or any other requirements to enter the soi or its bars.

This is the common pattern. They make a big point of opeing complexes with all sorts of testing and other ideas to demonstrate to the local public that they are doing everything to reduce covid transmission. Once the place is open for a couple of weeks all the testing seems to dissappear and it is business as usual until something brings more heat to the area.

You can buy Rapid Antigen Tests at pharmacies, supermarkets, 7 / 11 etc. There are no shortages at the moment due to supply issues. There seems to be a generic THB 75 version as well as more expensive versions which cost THB 200 or even THB 250. The general consesus is that the more expensive tests are of a higher quality.

[LookingLooking]

I'm wondering who your insurer was. And how to avoid making a 100000 to 250000 baht deposit.

Also how much did you end up paying for your hospital bill. Are you implying that you get back 83000 out of the 87000 baht bill from your insurer, so only pay 4000 baht for a 10 day hospital stay.

Did you get a 83000 baht cheque from your insurer.The claim was made directly by the hospital as they are one of the insurer's preferred hospital. So I was reimbursed for the deposit amount minus the 4200 baht. The 83,000 baht was settled between the hospital and insurer. My insurer was Thai AXA.

You have an option to avoid paying for the deposit amount. But you may have to wait for days before getting admitted. This would depend on how long it takes for your insurer to produce a letter of guarantee to the hospital. I heard it takes at least 2 business days to do so, but often longer than that. Patients who pays the deposit will be prioritized for admission. Meanwhile you are not sure what will happen to you if you don't get admitted on the same day. You can't leave your existing hotel room either since you are covid positive and your quarantine period starts on admission day, not the day you are tested positive.

Hospitals in Thailand are reluctant to admit foreigners who do not have a Thai social security number, even if you are willing to pay upfront deposit. It took me 9 hours (by phone) just to find a hospital willing to admit me on the same day.

[Mr Enternational]

Patients who pays the deposit will be prioritized for admission. Meanwhile you are not sure what will happen to you if you don't get admitted on the same day. You can't leave your existing hotel room either since you are covid positive and your quarantine period starts on admission day, not the day you are tested positive.What special treatment did you receive that you had to be in a hospital? Did you have to stay hooked up to machinery or anything? Wouldn't it had been cheaper to quarentine in a hospitel if you did not need something that only a hospital could offer?


Hospitals in Thailand are reluctant to admit foreigners who do not have a Thai social security number, even if you are willing to pay upfront deposit. It took me 9 hours (by phone) just to find a hospital willing to admit me on the same day.That was not my experience when I hurt my foot. They actually got angry that I would not stay. But I live around the corner and told them I could just come back tomorrow at whatever time they told me. I had remembered my friends telling me that if you ever need to stay in a hospital be prepared to pay $500 per day. So I felt they were trying to juice me. There was nothing they would be doing to my foot all night that I would need to be there instead of at home.

[LookingLooking]

What special treatment did you receive that you had to be in a hospital? Did you have to stay hooked up to machinery or anything? Wouldn't it had been cheaper to quarentine in a hospitel if you did not need something that only a hospital could offer?

That was not my experience when I hurt my foot. They actually got angry that I would not stay. But I live around the corner and told them I could just come back tomorrow at whatever time they told me. I had remembered my friends telling me that if you ever need to stay in a hospital be prepared to pay $500 per day. So I felt they were trying to juice me. There was nothing they would be doing to my foot all night that I would need to be there instead of at home.No special treatment. Its just quarantine and monitoring my condition. I was admitted into a hospital, not hospital. But everything was billed through the hospital. They have the hospital nurses stationed below the hospital 24/7 and hospital doctor to call your room and check your condition daily. Mild or no symptoms don't get to admit into the hospital.

When did you hurt your foot? During covid, hospital beds are pretty scarce. They have to save it for more serious cases. Ambulances will extremely busy even on emergency services. I waited another 3 hours for the ambulance to come and pick me up. Even that, I have to share the ambulance with other patients. My thoughts are that it used to be easy to admit into a hospital in Thailand. But because many white tourists choose not to pay their hospital bills after their stay, they are now reluctant to admit anyone who doesn't pay an upfront deposit first even with a valid insurance policy as some insurers find excuses not to pay too.

[Sir Lancelot]

No testing is required to get on a domestic plane, however they sometimes ask to see your vaccination certificate or record.Thanks for such a thorough reply. Very useful.

[Crocodilexp]

your quarantine period starts on admission day, not the day you are tested positive.

That's 100% bullshit, although no doubt they try it on, there's a lot of money they stand to gain.

So, if you spend 9 days in a hotel after a positive test before being admitted, you have to spend 10 days in a hospital? No way that's the actual rule.

[LookingLooking]

That's 100% bullshit, although no doubt they try it on, there's a lot of money they stand to gain.

So, if you spend 9 days in a hotel after a positive test before being admitted, you have to spend 10 days in a hospital? No way that's the actual rule.This is thailand. It doesn't always have to make sense. Among those I knew:

1 waited 4 days to admit into hospital. So its 10 + 4.

Another one admitted 1 day after, stayed in hospital for 14 days and still have to stay at home for another 7 days. 1 + 14 + 7.

They're both Thai So the policy has nothing against foreigners.

Yes different hospitals apply different number of days. The govt's guideline is "a minimum of 10 days".

[Breadman]

This is thailand. It doesn't always have to make sense. Among those I knew:

1 waited 4 days to admit into hospital. So its 10 + 4.

Another one admitted 1 day after, stayed in hospital for 14 days and still have to stay at home for another 7 days. 1 + 14 + 7.

They're both Thai So the policy has nothing against foreigners.

Yes different hospitals apply different number of days. The govt's guideline is "a minimum of 10 days".Simple question is why? Why did you report it? Why not buy a bunch of self tests and self isolate? Were you symptoms that bad? And how much did you have to pay for your other accommodations? Were you able to cancel them? Imagine a guy paying $700 for an expensive non refundable airbnb and then finding out he's positive, what would he do in this case? My guess is not report it and self isolate.

[HorseTrader]

Simple question is why? Why did you report it? Why not buy a bunch of self tests and self isolate? Were you symptoms that bad? And how much did you have to pay for your other accommodations? Were you able to cancel them? Imagine a guy paying $700 for an expensive non refundable airbnb and then finding out he's positive, what would he do in this case? My guess is not report it and self isolate.Perhaps I confused the understanding by moving this conversation to this thread. MissionAsia previously reported that he tested negative with ATG but felt very bad so went to hospital, where he tested positive with RT-PCR. LookingLooking reported that he had same experience and that he never tested positive with ATG tests.

When you are in anywhere in the world and have repeated negative ATG tests, the reasonable thing to do is seek medical attention.

[Breadman]

When you are in anywhere in the world and have repeated negative ATG tests, the reasonable thing to do is seek medical attention.Well that's a judgement call on that is how do I feel? Everyone has different reactions I'm sure, mine were just some extra coughing and fatigue (if that was indeed covid). A positive test told me I had it but afterwards I was informed I should have taken several tests to confirm the positive result on the first test. And that's what I was asking? How severe the symptoms are and when he decided to go to the hospital? Guy is lucky his insurance paid, he must have had symptoms vs being asymptomatic.

[Breadman]

I must say in all of my research I never heard about this, assumed the visa setup was the same as its always been. Don't know how I missed it, guess I was thinking it was an over and done deal when COVID hit way back when. Maybe I was focused on finishing work and downsizing during the last year and a half. Anyway I went ahead and applied for a 60 day visa and expected to only be able to extend 30 days and then move onto Cambodia with a possible return to Thailand. It was when I contacted a visa agent about registering my residency at my airbnb that they said 'we can do a 30 day or a 60 day' and that threw me for a loop. I remember asking them over and over how can 60 days? Thinking it was some sort of error. I'd explain I was already on a 60 day and wanted another 30 and got the same response. I reached out to MonkeyPaw and he explained the setup and how they've been extending this special 60 day visa over and over again. So I chatted once again with the visa agent and explained again when my visa ended and got the same response "yes we can renew your visa for another 60 days". Landed here in early December and its now looking like I won't have to leave until early June. I am hoping they do another COVID extension, I've heard mixed reports but with Omicron pushing cases over 10 k the last few days my luck just might last another round.

I know, these extensions are most likely old news but if it helps a few people here already in Thailand know they can easily extend then its worth a repeat.

[LookingLooking]

Simple question is why? Why did you report it? Why not buy a bunch of self tests and self isolate? Were you symptoms that bad? And how much did you have to pay for your other accommodations? Were you able to cancel them? Imagine a guy paying $700 for an expensive non refundable airbnb and then finding out he's positive, what would he do in this case? My guess is not report it and self isolate.The test centre has reported it.

It was not detected via self test. I needed to be tested to get clearance to return to my country.

Symptoms were bad but not life threatening.

If it was self test, I wouldn't report it either. Heck I wouldn't even do a self test.

[TourduMonde]

The test centre has reported it.

It was not detected via self test. I needed to be tested to get clearance to return to my country.

Symptoms were bad but not life threatening.

If it was self test, I wouldn't report it either. Heck I wouldn't even do a self test.Obviously this only works for people in certain places. Particularly continental Europe / Schengen, but avoiding PCR tests / hospitalization / missed flights in Asia is reason enough in my opinion to fly back to a neighboring country that doesn't require pre-departure PCR and then reach your home country overland, if the combination of countries enables you to do it.

[LookingLooking]

Has anyone recovered from covid within 90 days, travelled to Thailand and got tested positive before?

What happens in this case? Do you still have to go through minimum of 10 days quarantine?

[HorseTrader]

One of the Thailand Pass online help pages includes the following text: "What is highly advised to travelers is to choose insurance companies or hotels in Thailand that produce a 1-page document as a receipt or proof of purchase and confirmed booking." Apparently they want us to research the format of confirmation receipts before we buy. Same issue is present for your airline booking. 555 TIT. Actually, the Thailand Pass webpage allows submitting limited supplemental documentation in *. Pdf format, but not in the locations where the required confirmations are uploaded.

The Thai E-Visa webpage also has some quirks, one of which is submitting your picture in a very specific form. My pictures were rejected multiple times because their automated system thought there were more than one person in the picture (it was just me). It took me an hour to figure out exactly how to crop my picture to make their software happy.

I recommend doing both the Thailand Pass and the Thailand E-Visa applications using a computer with a decent monitor. Using a smartphone or tablet would be a pain in the neck. After you have all the required documentation gathered, allow yourself an hour to complete the Thailand Pass application and a couple of hours to complete the Thailand E-Visa application. It's a bit more complex than it was in early December.

https://tp.consular.go.th/
https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

[Member #4753]

I recommend doing both the Thailand Pass and the Thailand E-Visa applications using a computer with a decent monitor. Using a smartphone or tablet would be a pain in the neck. After you have all the required documentation gathered, allow yourself an hour to complete the Thailand Pass application and a couple of hours to complete the Thailand E-Visa application. It's a bit more complex than it was in early December.

https://tp.consular.go.th/
https://www.thaievisa.go.th/The Thai Government loves to make paperwork as complicated as possible. If you live here and have to do any official business / government paperwork it is mind numbing!

[EihTooms]

Has anyone recovered from covid within 90 days, travelled to Thailand and got tested positive before?

What happens in this case? Do you still have to go through minimum of 10 days quarantine?It didn't happen to me, I've been here without leaving Thailand throughout the entire Covid era so far.

But a very good friend from Belgium who owns a condo in Bangkok and his pattern was to spend half the year in Thailand returned to Thailand about 6-7 months ago. He tested negative on arrival then did his 14 days in a quaratine hotel. He continued to test negative for the next 14 days.

On his 15th day, ready to be released from quarantine, his test came up positive and he was immediately taken to a hospital for a 10 day stay.

How could that be? And he felt fine, no symptoms at all.

It took him 2-3 days at that hospital to convince them to either look closer or perform another test to make sure they weren't just detecting traces of Covid antibodies he'd acquired from a case of Covid he'd fully recovered from in Belgium months before returning to Thailand.

They did. That's what it was. They released him.

This was 6-7 months ago so by now the tests might be better at detecting the difference, the quarantine times have changed, maybe not the same chance of that happening.

[Breadman]

Something odd has happened several times with 4 different Thai Friendly girls. Do the chat on LINE, get a photo or two and then they no show. Had one say she got in taxi but that was 45 minutes late, then 20 minutes later taxi had low tire pressure and she would be later than usual. Some just don't show at all, no chat nothing. Had one this afternoon say the location I gave her brought her to a place 3 km's from where I gave her my location and condo name. She then sent me a photo of her on her way but with google maps streetview you can grab 'photos' from anywhere in the world and say you are there. So I'm waiting and then she says she's 5 km's further past my condo. Now if anyone knows LINE locations you can easily change your location by moving the dot. Its not a huge deal when your living here but if your on a 2 week vacation that time wasted is a big deal. Have to wonder if someone is creating fake accounts on TF along with fake LINE accounts just to scam people. Even had one 'girl' ask me for money so she could come to Pattaya. Maybe video chats are the only way to weed out the scammers?

Now if you don't know LINE has private chat groups (up to 500 people) and they promote bars, general conversations. I think anyone can create a group and invite people to it. I did hear a story that there are LINE chat groups with the working girls who share info on clients, bad clients etc. And these no shows makes me wonder if this is true and somewhere in time I pissed off a girl and now my profile is on said chat. Its possible. Luckily there are thousands more here who aren't in those chat groups if they do exist.

[EihTooms]

Something odd has happened several times with 4 different Thai Friendly girls. Do the chat on LINE, get a photo or two and then they no show. Had one say she got in taxi but that was 45 minutes late, then 20 minutes later taxi had low tire pressure and she would be later than usual. Some just don't show at all, no chat nothing. Had one this afternoon say the location I gave her brought her to a place 3 km's from where I gave her my location and condo name. She then sent me a photo of her on her way but with google maps streetview you can grab 'photos' from anywhere in the world and say you are there. So I'm waiting and then she says she's 5 km's further past my condo. Now if anyone knows LINE locations you can easily change your location by moving the dot. Its not a huge deal when your living here but if your on a 2 week vacation that time wasted is a big deal. Have to wonder if someone is creating fake accounts on TF along with fake LINE accounts just to scam people. Even had one 'girl' ask me for money so she could come to Pattaya. Maybe video chats are the only way to weed out the scammers?

Now if you don't know LINE has private chat groups (up to 500 people) and they promote bars, general conversations. I think anyone can create a group and invite people to it. I did hear a story that there are LINE chat groups with the working girls who share info on clients, bad clients etc. And these no shows makes me wonder if this is true and somewhere in time I pissed off a girl and now my profile is on said chat. Its possible. Luckily there are thousands more here who aren't in those chat groups if they do exist.I have encountered ditzy girls like that on TF for years. Maybe a little more during the Covid era because many profiles say they live in Bangkok and they haven't been in Bangkok since March 2020. Probably the same with Pattaya.

I think out of boredom in their boring outer provinces they are curious to see how many guys they can get to say "Good morning" and "Good night" to them every day, how many they can convince to transfer money to them for travel to your area which they'll never do. The latter is a whole new industry for hookers who had to move from bars and streets to the phone over the past couple of years. Those 200-300 baht transfers add up to a decent income for them if they can scam 2-3 each day.

Even when they aren't really outright scamming you for money, many Thai girls live to waste your time, ruin your night or weekend. Nothing short of winning the lottery makes them happier.

Haven't you arrived on time at a designated meeting place and had them tell you they are almost there, running just a little bit late, please wait blah blah only to find out 30 minutes later they just stepped out of the shower?

The last thing a Thai girl wants to happen is for her to arrive first and have to waste 10 minutes of her valuable time waiting for you. Since your time is utterly worthless, it is much better for her to make sure you are actually standing at the meeting place before she opens her closet to decide what to wear.

Then she is wide open for all kinds of interruptions and alternate plans from her girlfriends, other guys, family, whatever. Whether or not she informs you about it isn't important.

So I can't say what is happening to you is some kind of fake account scam. It just sounds like normal Thai dating site behavior to me.

Yes, insisting on a video chat first avoids many issues. But not all. Designating your apartment or a place very nearby is also a plus. Now I tell them I have arriced, to Line me when they arrive and I know I can get there in less than 10 minutes, tell them I was in the toilet. Meanwhile, I go about my business, do other things and I am only willing to allow 30-45 minutes late "due to traffic" before I agree to meet someone else and do something else.

[HorseTrader]

Haven't you arrived on time at a designated meeting place and had them tell you they are almost there, running just a little bit late, please wait blah blah only to find out 30 minutes later they just stepped out of the shower?

The last thing a Thai girl wants to happen is for her to arrive first and have to waste 10 minutes of her valuable time waiting for you. Since your time is utterly worthless, it is much better for her to make sure you are actually standing at the meeting place before she opens her closet to decide what to wear.

Then she is wide open for all kinds of interruptions and alternate plans from her girlfriends, other guys, family, whatever. Whether or not she informs you about it isn't important.

So I can't say what is happening to you is some kind of fake account scam. It just sounds like normal Thai dating site behavior to me.This is part of Thai culture, not just P4P industry. Many farang with Thai wives have similar complaints. Thai wives tell husbands they need to be more flexible. That attitude ended a 2-year live-in relationship I had with a Thai-USA citizen. Even Thai business meetings in professional environments are frequently 15-30 minutes late. Many Thais live for right now. Don't try to fight it.

I did actually have a Nana Butterflies girl run to me in March 2020, tourists were starting to be fewer and fewer and she knew it. We had plans to meet for 3rd time and she was late. My line messages said I was leaving and she said she was running. Off in the distance I could see she was running. She was a sweaty mess, first order of business was shower and hair washing.

[Banana Boi]

My favorite freebie girl has absolutely no concept of being on time. It got to the point that I went to WS or LK instead of waiting around for her. I would update her whenever I switched gogo bars so she could find me. When she showed up you could tell she went to get her hair and nails done. She's been up to 2. 5 hours late but I guess I get what I pay for.

[Explorer8939]

This is part of Thai culture, not just P4P industry. Many farang with Thai wives have similar complaints. Thai wives tell husbands they need to be more flexible. That attitude ended a 2-year live-in relationship I had with a Thai-USA citizen. Even Thai business meetings in professional environments are frequently 15-30 minutes late. Many Thais live for right now. Don't try to fight it.

I did actually have a Nana Butterflies girl run to me in March 2020, tourists were starting to be fewer and fewer and she knew it. We had plans to meet for 3rd time and she was late. My line messages said I was leaving and she said she was running. Off in the distance I could see she was running. She was a sweaty mess, first order of business was shower and hair washing.This summer, when everything was closed, I was having ladies come over to my condo. There were virtually no other customers, and I was amazed that the ladies were not only always on time, they would come early.

Then, some places opened in September, and the ladies started coming later, or canceling altogether.

[Breadman]

Something to consider, hotels have been closed for a good long time. Same goes for condos that are devoid of tenants because they are stuck waiting for the country to re-open. And what is that one thing you should realize before making the trip back over here before things 'settle down'? Why its the cockroaches. Hotels that couldn't stay open sure didn't keep spraying to keep the pests away. Thousands upon thousands of vacant rooms letting these little devils run loose for the last two years, it will take some time before their numbers drop. I've been in an SHA hotel and spotted them in my room, been in two condos and once again spotted them here and there. Just the other night I had to pee, turned on the light and I start to pee into the toilet and I thought to myself "man I sure don't remember taking a crap and not flushing" and then the 2 inch cockroach started to swim his way to safety. Ten flushes later I was sure he wasn't coming back up.

Now on a slightly different subject. I changed condo's and I go to cook some food and all the steam is rising and I pull out the exhaust fan. Fan kicks on but its not clearing up the steam. So I open the cabinet to see what the deal was and realize they never hooked up the tube to vent the fan, it was just blowing into the upper cabinet.

[Breadman]

It took my buddy over a week to get all of the documents ready for the Thai Pass. He tried buying the insurance from Thai insurance companies but they never charged his credit card. He finally used a link I found that compares travel insurance packages and got a fast purchase and the documents. Then he booked his 2 SHA hotels at the Landmark hotel in Bangkok and they too took their time confirming his reservation. Finally all of the documents needed to apply for the Thai Pass was in his possession. He uploaded all of them to the Thai Pass website, hit send and just over 2 hours later was approved. What does that tell you? Tells me there are very few people applying for this 2 day testing crap. There will be no big flows of tourists coming in March. It will be a trickle.

[Member #4753]

From March 1 it looks like the Test and Go entry program will involve being PCR tested on arrival, staying at an approved hotel on your first night and once your test results come back negative you are free to go.

There is some mention that the current 2nd hotel stay and test on 5 will be replaced by a normal Antigen test that does not require a hotel stay. The exact details of the second test are a little murky at this stage.

The official notice will become law and the 2nd test clarified when it is published in the royal gazette in the next few days.

[LookingLooking]

From March 1 it looks like the Test and Go entry program will involve being PCR tested on arrival, staying at an approved hotel on your first night and once your test results come back negative you are free to go.

There is some mention that the current 2nd hotel stay and test on 5 will be replaced by a normal Antigen test that does not require a hotel stay. The exact details of the second test are a little murky at this stage.

The official notice will become law and the 2nd test clarified when it is published in the royal gazette in the next few days.Yes the 2nd test quarantine is not required from 1 March. 5th day a self atk test and upload result via app.

No don't ask me if you can just take a negative result photo and upload it. Up to your own imagination.

[Mr Enternational]

I changed condo's and I go to cook some food and all the steam is rising and I pull out the exhaust fan. Fan kicks on but its not clearing up the steam. So I open the cabinet to see what the deal was and realize they never hooked up the tube to vent the fan, it was just blowing into the upper cabinet.Is there a tube? That sounds like is a ductless range hood which is pretty common these days. My house was built in 2002 and there is no duct for it to vent to outside.

[HorseTrader]

Then he booked his 2 SHA hotels at the Landmark hotel in Bangkok and they too took their time confirming his reservation. Finally all of the documents needed to apply for the Thai Pass was in his possession. He uploaded all of them to the Thai Pass website, hit send and just over 2 hours later was approved. What does that tell you? Tells me there are very few people applying for this 2 day testing crap. There will be no big flows of tourists coming in March. It will be a trickle.I had same problems with slow confirmation from hotels. Brief telephone calls prompted them to send proper confirmations quickly.

I applied for Thailand Pass and EVisa about 2 weeks ago. It took 3-4 days to get Thailand Pass and 5-6 days to get EVisa. Back channel contact with another board member indicates he had similar response time. Don't rely on 2 hour response.

I also expect a trickle of tourists in March, but my reasoning is hotter weather and increasing COVID. Still, some resorts are doing well, the premium villas at my favored resort are fully booked through March 22. I suspect there are plenty of standard rooms available.

[Breadman]

Is there a tube? That sounds like is a ductless range hood which is pretty common these days. My house was built in 2002 and there is no duct for it to vent to outside.No tube, just air being blown directly into the cabinet. Maybe its meant to filter the air like you are implying but half of the steam from the stove gets diverted to either side.

[Member #4813]

From March 1 it looks like the Test and Go entry program will involve being PCR tested on arrival, staying at an approved hotel on your first night and once your test results come back negative you are free to go.

There is some mention that the current 2nd hotel stay and test on 5 will be replaced by a normal Antigen test that does not require a hotel stay. The exact details of the second test are a little murky at this stage.

The official notice will become law and the 2nd test clarified when it is published in the royal gazette in the next few days.Has anyone on the Board experienced this? From what I read, one has to go from the airport directly to the approved government hotel. Does that mean that an official car takes you to the hotel directly from the airport?

Where is the PCR sample taken (I assume they do a nasal swab)? At the airport, or at the hotel?

How long does it take for the result to come back? I will be in Thailand in 2 months, so I do not need to know about day #5 (if I am lucky, the entire program will be dropped by then). Thanks.

[Mr Enternational]

I will be in Thailand in 2 months, so I do not need to know about day #5 (if I am lucky, the entire program will be dropped by then). Thanks.2 months? Who knows what it will be then. Looks like you are already behind on times. Day 5 has been canceled and you do it yourself starting and insurance down to $20,000 March 1.

[Member #4813]

Thank you Mr Enternational. I know that things might be different in two months, but I need to buy plane tickets now. So I will repeat my question. And please, if you don't know the answer and have not been to Thailand recently, please do nor answer.

Has anyone on the Board experienced this? From what I read, one has to go from the airport directly to the approved government hotel. Does that mean that an official car takes you to the hotel directly from the airport?

Where is the PCR sample taken (I assume they do a nasal swab)? At the airport, or at the hotel?

How long does it take for the result to come back?

Many thanks!

[HorseTrader]

Has anyone on the Board experienced this? From what I read, one has to go from the airport directly to the approved government hotel. Does that mean that an official car takes you to the hotel directly from the airport?

Where is the PCR sample taken (I assume they do a nasal swab)? At the airport, or at the hotel?

How long does it take for the result to come back?

Many thanks!As of February 26, this is the process for entry at BKK. Have all documents ready to show to multiple people.

During walk from gate to immigration, you will be stopped at least twice to check your paperwork. Passport. Thai Pass. Entry card/departure (which you fill out and sign on your airplane). Vaccination certification. Your completed health card, which basically says you will be quarantined if found sick (also completed on your airplane). If the papers you completed on the airplane were not fully completed, these people will assist you. RT-PCR test report from your home country. Hotel/transportation/RTPCR purchase documentation. Of all the documents you gathered, these people check every one except proof of insurance, for me that was only checked when applying tor Thailand pass and upon checking in to my first flight leaving my home country.

You will get final immigration check as normal, but these people have more papers than during pre-COVID days. These are the only people who will look at your E-visa.

Get your luggage, as normal.

Now is a good time to use one of the ATMs or cash exchange place in the luggage claim area. DTAC also has a place that sells SIM cards. Unlimited 30-day service for about 300 baht or unlimited 90 day service for about 900 baht are 2 of the choices. They will install and test for you. This will be your only time to see money exchange or SIM cards prior to entry into quarantine.

Walk through customs area and go to exit door 10. There will be hotel representatives there to help you find your proper transportation to hotel. Your hotel representative will need some of the papers discussed above and she will put you on your prearranged hotel shuttle. The transportation is a specially equipped van with plexiglass separating driver from passenger.

Once at my hotel I registered as normal but was sent directly to a RT-PCR test swab area. After that is finished I went to my secure floor where quarantine starts.

RT-PCR preliminary results were provided to me in about 10 hours and final results in 24 hours. Cannot leave room until receive negative report.

The airport process has many more paperwork steps than before, but there are enough qualified people to guide you without delay and they are happy to do it. Just be sure you have your paperwork hard copies readily available for the walk from airplane to hotel transportation. As described above, my entire journey from gate to my room took about 2 hours.

[Explorer8939]

Are bars still requiring you to take an ATK test, or show results?

[SinfullyKorean]

Answer to your question:

No, you are not taken directly to the hotel. You're taken directly to the hospital administering the covid test (nasal swab). It's a drive through test site and I stayed in my car the whole time. The hospital has a copy of your passport and you show yours to match their records. After taking the test (around 1:30 AM), I was dropped off at the hotel. During my transfer ride, the driver coughed a couple times which made me uncomfortable and paranoid haha. Front desk receptionist told me I should receive my results by 12 PM. At around 8 AM I called the front desk in hopes that the results came in early. They said no, and it should come in by 12 PM. At around 10:30 AM, I got a phone call with my negative result. I confirmed I can go out now and enjoy my time.

Other details:

I was scheduled to arrive at the airport on Feb 25 12 AM. Flight was a bit early and arrived around 11:40 PM Feb 24. On all the forms, I wrote that I arrived on Feb 25. Nobody gave me any problems with this.

When you book your hotel quarantine package, you have to call the hotel to confirm that you are indeed purchasing the Test & Go day 1 package. After I booked mine (Galleria 12 in BKK), you will receive instructions on transfer from the airport. Basically, when you exit to the general arrival area where taxi stands used to be, you'll see a bunch of stands coordinating the transfers to various hotels.

Suggestions:

As Mr E mentioned, quarantine restrictions are changing constantly and will undoubtedly change before May rolls around. Best advice would be to delay the booking and application for Thailand Pass as long as possible.

Interesting observations:

My hotel has a quarantine section attached next to it. I think it used to be the hotel gym or something, but repurposed as a quarantine facility. I asked the front desk and they said people who want to isolate but have mild symptoms are advised by their doctors to isolate in such facilities. So I think it's for people who may have the option of isolating at home, but are afraid of infecting others in the house. Or it could be a way of getting the government to pay for your stay for a few days. I asked if tourists are also put in there and he said no.

So what if tourists are diagnosed positive? He told me that the person should contact the insurance company to see which hospital he needs to be taken to that the insurance company would cover. It's the first time I was told about this so I found it interesting. Once you find out which hospital is covered, the ambulance should take you to the hospital.


Thank you Mr Enternational. I know that things might be different in two months, but I need to buy plane tickets now. So I will repeat my question. And please, if you don't know the answer and have not been to Thailand recently, please do nor answer.

Has anyone on the Board experienced this? From what I read, one has to go from the airport directly to the approved government hotel. Does that mean that an official car takes you to the hotel directly from the airport?

Where is the PCR sample taken (I assume they do a nasal swab)? At the airport, or at the hotel?

How long does it take for the result to come back?

Many thanks!

[Houston Player]

Are bars still requiring you to take an ATK test, or show results?In Bangkok no bars or entrances to Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza require any testing. I think in Pattaya some may still require testing or proof of a recent test but I can't answer definitively.

[SinfullyKorean]

In Bangkok no bars or entrances to Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza require any testing. I think in Pattaya some may still require testing or proof of a recent test but I can't answer definitively.None of the gogo bars are requiring tests. But The Cassette Sky Bar in BKK required an ATK test (150 B) to go in.

[Member #4813]

Answer to your question:

No, you are not taken directly to the hotel. You're taken directly to the hospital administering the covid test (nasal swab). It's a drive through test site and I stayed in my car the whole time. The hospital has a copy of your passport and you show yours to match their records. After taking the test (around 1:30 AM), I was dropped off at the hotel. During my transfer ride, the driver coughed a couple times which made me uncomfortable and paranoid haha. Front desk receptionist told me I should receive my results by 12 PM. At around 8 AM I called the front desk in hopes that the results came in early. They said no, and it should come in by 12 PM. At around 10:30 AM, I got a phone call with my negative result. I confirmed I can go out now and enjoy my time.

Other details:

I was scheduled to arrive at the airport on Feb 25 12 AM. Flight was a bit early and arrived around 11:40 PM Feb 24. On all the forms, I wrote that I arrived on Feb 25. Nobody gave me any problems with this..It sounds like I should quarantine in the USA prior to boarding my plane as the incubation period of SARS-CoV-2 is a minimum of 3 days. Even if I get exposed at JFK or on the plane, my PCR will be negative!

Not going to happen but that sounds like what I should do.

Many thanks for providing these details. I will hold off on the plane reservation. It makes me think that maybe I should skip BKK and just be satisfied with Manila (the next step of my trip) where the girls are super easy and the testing rules are simpler.

By the way, once you cleared your PCR test, could you bring a girl back to your room? Or did you have to change hotels?

[Mr Enternational]

Sam chose the place because he recognised a pretty girl he'd seen at Olny LK Bar the night before. He bought her a drink but when he asked about the bar-fine she told him 'I not boom-boom'.LOL. I have always said to use drinks as a reward, not a preward. Most guys think they have to walk in and immediately buy a drink for a chick. No. A chick has to show me she is worthy of me buying her drink besides the fact that she is there working.

Joke with her for a few minutes, ask about barfine, touch on her if you want, THEN buy the drink if you are getting good vibes or if she is entertaining. Don't just go throwing a 140 baht drink on every chick that you think looks good. After buying tons of drinks you may get a surprise such as Sam did. He could have walked in and said I like you; how much is barfine and would have known from the jump that she does not boom boom.


Interestingly Sam had been working on a girl from this bar for a while, buying her ladydrinks, and when he asked about meeting her on her day off, she agreed. But next day she sent him a Line message saying she couldn't meet as her Dad died. All I can do is fucking laugh. Sounds like you guys are the kings of buying ladydrinks, but the jesters of getting laid in a hooker den.


We went to at Lai and again my favourite girl was with a Korean customer. I enjoy the thrill of the chase and I'm determined to buy this girl at least one lady-drink.What chase? Are you guys not realizing these chicks are hookers or what a hooker is? They fuck for money. No need to coax them or kiss up to them with drinks. Determined to buy a girl a bunch of drinks before you pay her to fuck sounds weird. Why not just be determined to pay her to fuck from the start? You guys have this mongering thing totally mixed up.

[RacShack]

LOL. I have always said to use drinks as a reward, not a preward. Most guys think they have to walk in and immediately buy a drink for a chick. No. A chick has to show me she is worthy of me buying her drink besides the fact that she is there working.

Joke with her for a few minutes, ask about barfine, touch on her if you want, THEN buy the drink if you are getting good vibes or if she is entertaining. Don't just go throwing a 140 baht drink on every chick that you think looks good. After buying tons of drinks you may get a surprise such as Sam did. He could have walked in and said I like you; how much is barfine and would have known from the jump that she does not boom boom.

All I can do is fucking laugh. Sounds like you guys are the kings of buying ladydrinks, but the jesters of getting laid in a hooker den.

What chase? Are you guys not realizing these chicks are hookers or what a hooker is? They fuck for money. No need to coax them or kiss up to them with drinks. Determined to buy a girl a bunch of drinks before you pay her to fuck sounds weird. Why not just be determined to pay her to fuck from the start? You guys have this mongering thing totally mixed up.Not everyone is on a strict budget like it's sounds like you are bud, plus his reports are excellent boots on ground reports very helpful, on like others, if he buys 50 drinks on his amazing trip he's having, its 200 dollars and it's his 200, the day I have to worry about 200 $ is the day I stop traveling, but that won't be happening anytime soon! Hope this helps you see he's just having fun his way, and sounds like not worrying about a few bucks! With many good reports on where to stay, drink, (and not to drink) eat, and so on!

[Sir Lancelot]

What chase? Are you guys not realizing these chicks are hookers or what a hooker is? They fuck for money. No need to coax them or kiss up to them with drinks. Determined to buy a girl a bunch of drinks before you pay her to fuck sounds weird. Why not just be determined to pay her to fuck from the start? You guys have this mongering thing totally mixed up.I think we've established before that our outlook on mongering is totally different. You sound a very frugal gent who views the process as a business transaction. I'm on holiday and want to enjoy myself as well as going with lots of girls. It never ceases to amaze me on this forum there is always someone like you who thinks one rule fits all. There only one was doing things correctly (your way, naturally) and only one 'correct' price to pay.

I actually think some of your comments are naive. If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular. I'm getting vibes that you aim for girls a few rungs down the ladder, so it might work for you but it wouldn't for every girl, especially the popular ones.

[Chimpo Chinn]

I think we've established before that our outlook on mongering is totally different. You sound a very frugal gent who views the process as a business transaction. I'm on holiday and want to enjoy myself as well as going with lots of girls. It never ceases to amaze me on this forum there is always someone like you who thinks one rule fits all. There only one was doing things correctly (your way, naturally) and only one 'correct' price to pay.

I actually think some of your comments are naive. If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular. I'm getting vibes that you aim for girls a few rungs down the ladder, so it might work for you but it wouldn't for every girl, especially the popular ones.Good clean rebuttal.

Me E views just unconventional. We want fun at reasonable prices. We don't want bottom dwelling girls, no offense to them.

[Mr Enternational]

Not everyone is on a strict budget like it's sounds like you are bud, plus his reports are excellent boots on ground reports very helpful, on like others, if he buys 50 drinks on his amazing trip he's having, its 200 dollars and it's his 200, the day I have to worry about 200 $ is the day I stop traveling, but that won't be happening anytime soon!It is not about a budget. It is about someone not realizing they are dealing with hookers. You do not have to butter them up or win them over by buying drinks as he is reportedly attempting and failing to do. You merely have to ask them how much to come fuck. The shit is elementary.

But if he thinks he is going to win some type of prize or it makes him feel all fuzzy inside buying drinks then enjoy the pleasure. But it has zero to do with whether you will be able to fuck the girl as it seems he is attributing it to.

[Mr Enternational]

If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular.Newsflash! She is a HOOKER. She is there to fuck for money!

Buying a bunch of lady drinks and not being able to fuck a hooker is pretty much worse than not buying lady drinks and being ignored. Either way you leave with a hard, dry dick, but one way you leave with dignity and the money you started with.

Spent all that money on a hooker and still did not fuck. You can buy drinks for random broads and not fuck back home. What is mongering coming to?

[Member #4753]

It never ceases to amaze me on this forum there is always someone who thinks one rule fits all. If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular.I totally agree with this, you cannot be a Cheap Charlie with a top of the rung girl that is in demand. Standard practice to buy them a drink once they sit down. Investing 1 or 2 drinks in a hottie is well worth it so you can judge what your next move is.

[Gonz0]

Yes.

They drink the real shot, and then I order more (up to 4).Considering that the lady expected the watered down drink, and that they want (to remain sober, I wondered whether some might not appreciate having to drink the real tequila shot.

[IHeartIpa]

I actually think some of your comments are naive. If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular. I'm getting vibes that you aim for girls a few rungs down the ladder, so it might work for you but it wouldn't for every girl, especially the popular ones.That was my read as well. If you're a typical Pattaya sexpat you're goal is cheap sex often. Never paying more than 1300 (1000+300 room maybe). No buying drinks unless you have to, and definitely no tipping. This works fine for the 30 yo+ ladies as they are happy to have any customer. And since Pattaya has way more 30+ ladies than under 30 I can see how a expat thinks this way.

What annoys me about these expats is that its the tourist $$ that keeps Pattaya going, not the cheap charlies. New girls aren't coming to Pattaya to meet only customers who don't buy drinks and don't tip. At Mr. Enternational Don't put down tourists whose money Pattaya desperately needs ATM.

[EihTooms]

It is not about a budget. It is about someone not realizing they are dealing with hookers. You do not have to butter them up or win them over by buying drinks as he is reportedly attempting and failing to do. You merely have to ask them how much to come fuck. The shit is elementary.

But if he thinks he is going to win some type of prize or it makes him feel all fuzzy inside buying drinks then enjoy the pleasure. But it has zero to do with whether you will be able to fuck the girl as it seems he is attributing it to.Of course, it is very much about the money with these girls. Not 100% that and only that. But mostly that.

Therefore, on the issue of money and bargirls, it's not like taking a girl without buying her a LadyDrink upfront causes the whole issue of the money she and the bar would have otherwise gotten for those LDs evaporate from the exchange and forgotten. Your approach is asking a bargirl to leave 200 baht on the table that she would otherwise split with the bar that allows her to stand or sit around and ply her trade out of the heat and rain minus the actual cost of the booze for every LD you don't buy her. And in exchange for what?

I have no doubt girls who can't imagine getting two or more LadyDrinks bought for them tonight would jump at the offer. But girls who are at least popular enough to know they can easily get 2 or more LDs bought for them and get the barfine paid for them and get close to their asking price in the room any night of the week would have no incentive to do it unless some bizarre desperate circumstances arose for her the very night and hour you happened to hit on her.

A popular bargirl might be fine with doing that as long as she calculates she will get that "butter me up" extra 200-400 baht out of you in some other way. In some cases, it could easily be after you've paid the barfine and discovered in the room that no way in hell is the chemistry right with this one. That is when I would wish I had only invested 200 baht and 10 minutes sitting next to her in the bar before I wasted my time taking her back to my room and dealing with whatever money will be exchanged now.

Unless you are saying you and anyone reading your posts can easily walk into any bar, choose a girl among the most popular ones, among the better lookers by a reasonable consensus of punters, simply say "let's go" or at most after just a moment or two of chitchat that likely isn't even about sex and she'd hop off the stage and go with you. Whereupon you will, after just paying the barfine and taking her to your room, get the BBFS+CIP you've said is the undiscussed norm in Thailand during a Long Time starting at a reasonable time of the night and all for only the 1,000-1,100 baht you say you have virtually always paid for LT and almost never more than that.

Yes, if that is what you are saying you routinely do any time of the day or night in go-go bars, beer bars and so on without haunting the venues at all and sometimes ungodly hours, waiting around like a sick puppy waiting for the rare opportunity to arise where such a thing might happen with a girl who would otherwise have no problem getting LD commissions paid to her, barfines paid for her and 2,000+ baht paid to her just for ST, then you are indeed the King of Thai Punters!

However, something tells me that isn't the way it routinely works for you nor would it likely routinely work that way for anyone else. Sure, it might happen occasionally for anyone if the stars are aligned just so. But routinely and predictably on any given night with any given girl the punter actually wants to fuck, highly doubtful.

Again, I can only compare my experience and observation with bargirls in Bangkok. Maybe it is a whole different bargirl world in Pattaya.

[Sir Lancelot]

Newsflash! She is a HOOKER. She is there to fuck for money!We established when we locked horns on this page before my trip that that's all you see these girls as. Someone to bang if necessary terms and conditions are agreed on beforehand. Many people, not just me, see them as people and enjoy getting to know them too. That's the bit you seem to be missing. You come across as a cheap Charlie who thinks they know best.

As I said earlier, people have different approaches and there isn't a right way, no matter how vehemently you suggest there is.

P.S. - please please please go up to the prettiest gogo girl you can find and by way of introduction ask her 'do you do anal?' I'm dying to hear how that goes.

[Breadman]

So I met this younger guy a few months ago on soi 6 and you know how these girls want to latch onto a younger guy for a relationship, marriage and all that. Anyway he has a unique view on the long time setup here in Thailand with pay for play. He won't 'pay the girls for sex' but at times he will 'give them 1000 baht to come by his condo after work'. Then in his mind the sex isn't pay for play since he paid ahead of time. There are few mid 30's guys roaming around Thailand so he gets lots of attention. Helps that he's on Thai Friendly. He'll even tell them 'I'll spend time with you but I won't give you money'. So he gets the girls that have sponsors, girls that just want to have sex with a younger guy at their discretion. But he draws a very 'unique' line between working girls and a relationship. That line is the thinness of a condom. You give a girl money and she has sex without a condom then he looks down on the girl for not having safe sex. But in the mean time he's seeing a girl that he paid at the beginning to get her over (or gave her the money) and she has sex with him bareback then its a different story. They are 'in a relationship' so bareback is now allowed. An interesting view I must say. He also has a unique view on a working girl being in a 'relationship' where she gets no support and works in the bars having sex with other men. That is allowed as long as a condom is in use.

Now to me money is what controls these girls. You want sex, give them money. You want a relationship, give them support to send back home. I've been in this game too long not to have realized money is the key to all things. The guy met a really good looking girl and got her to quit opening her legs to earn money. He flew back home after his visa ended after buying her a 100,000 baht motorcycle with plans on paying for her condo while he worked a few months and then coming back. He has very little savings and wants to move here permanently and get a job teaching. A relationship fraught with many pitfalls from a girl used to making tons of cash and having a guy who's running low on money. Will be interesting to see where he is in ten years and if a working girl can become a homebody.

I know that this post is a bit of a ramble. But it is that way because his arguments are so unlike what pay for play is all about. Young man's syndrome might be a good description for it. I told him he should head out to the province and find normal girls and see if his charm works on them instead of focusing on working girls.

[Mr Enternational]

Many people, not just me, see them as people and enjoy getting to know them too. Of course they are people. They are people with a certain job to do. And that job is fucking for money. When you are looking for a guy to paint your house do you tell him hey let me buy you some drinks before you get started and hope he really likes you enough to let you pay him to paint your house? No. You say how much to paint my house because you know he is a house painter. I do not know how this get lost when it is about pussy.


You come across as a cheap Charlie who thinks they know best.I don't know if I know best, but what I do know is that I am paying for pussy. You seem to think you are impressing them with your drink buying abilities. But even after all that you are still not able to fuck them. You leave thinking well I guess I did not buy her enough drinks. I better come back tomorrow and buy more.


P.S. - please please please go up to the prettiest gogo girl you can find and by way of introduction ask her 'do you do anal?' I'm dying to hear how that goes.Go up to the prettiest hooker and ask her about sex? She knows what she is there for, but evidently some of her customers do not.

[LookingLooking]

By the way, once you cleared your PCR test, could you bring a girl back to your room? Or did you have to change hotels?The right answer is, yes.

But some hotels don't give a fark about guests. They may say no. They may even say everything is a yes before you get your PCR test results. I stay in 1 which allowed me to go out of the hotel to collect my food delivery and in the process I walked to the nearest 7-11 (5 min away) to take beer back to my room to drink. Seriously I can see they don't give a fark about my quarantine.

Do consult your hotel beforehand.

[EihTooms]

Of course they are people. They are people with a certain job to do. And that job is fucking for money. When you are looking for a guy to paint your house do you tell him hey let me buy you some drinks before you get started and hope he really likes you enough to let you pay him to paint your house? No. You say how much to paint my house because you know he is a house painter. I do not know how this get lost when it is about pussy.

I don't know if I know best, but what I do know is that I am paying for pussy. You seem to think you are impressing them with your drink buying abilities. But even after all that you are still not able to fuck them. You leave thinking well I guess I did not buy her enough drinks. I better come back tomorrow and buy more.

Go up to the prettiest hooker and ask her about sex? She knows what she is there for, but evidently some of her customers do not.There isn't a punter here who couldn't find a Thai hooker who would go to his room and fuck for 500 baht. Maybe less.

Have you ever seen a house with a really shitty paint job? I have.

Have you ever tried to contract with a really good house painter and had him say, "Really busy these days. Call me back in a month and I'll see what I can do"? I have.

Turns out there are a lot of crappy house painters who seem to be available for any job at any time for almost any price.

And really good ones who are not.

It all depends on how important a good quality paint job is to you for your house.

[Banana Boi]

By the way, once you cleared your PCR test, could you bring a girl back to your room? Or did you have to change hotels?Once your RT-PCR test comes back negative you leave your SHA+ hotel to a different hotel unless you booked your SHA+ hotel for more than 1 night.

[Member #4813]

The right answer is, yes.

But some hotels don't give a fark about guests. They may say no. They may even say everything is a yes before you get your PCR test results. I stay in 1 which allowed me to go out of the hotel to collect my food delivery and in the process I walked to the nearest 7-11 (5 min away) to take beer back to my room to drink. Seriously I can see they don't give a fark about my quarantine.

Do consult your hotel beforehand.LookingLooking; It sounds to me like I should spend my first night quarantining at your hotel. I wouldn't mind a little naughty fun while awaiting my PCR result! Can you share its name with us? Thanks.

[LookingLooking]

LookingLooking; It sounds to me like I should spend my first night quarantining at your hotel. I wouldn't mind a little naughty fun while awaiting my PCR result! Can you share its name with us? Thanks.The Quarter Hualamphong by UHG.

Hey, don't blame me if you get caught. You'll become a fugitive.

I did not try to bring anyone into my room on quarantine day.

[Banana Boi]

Vietnam has fully reopened. No quarantine. No COVID test on arrival. No Thailand Pass headache. No pre-paying for airline tickets. No pre-paying for Test and Go hotel. No insurance requirement. No chance of getting locked up for 10 days and paying out of your own pocket because your insurance won't cover for asymptomatic people.. Back to pre-pandemic entry requirements. Simple 30 day eVisa online, book flight and go. Vietnam here I come!

[Axel Heyst]

Vietnam has fully reopened. No quarantine. No COVID test on arrival. No Thailand Pass headache. No pre-purchasing airline tickets. No Test and Go hotel. No insurance requirement. No chance of getting locked up for 10 days. Back to pre-pandemic entry requirements. Simple 30 day eVisa online, book flight and go. Vietnam here I come!Sounds great. Have a great trip. Thailand & Jakarta can't be far behind.

[SinfullyKorean]

I've never been a LT guy, after I'm done I have no desire to hang out with them. But they'd usually quote for both. 00 Tmae was 500-1 k ST and 1 k-1500 LT. Exchange rate was 40 plus to the USD, so 12.50ST. And as a dude in his early 30's, I could knock off two or three and not spend 50 bucks. Was a hard transition around 07 when I started going to the oilies and paying 2,100 for 90 minutes. Most I was paying then for ST was 1 K for FL and GoGo gals. But performance at the oilies certainly warranted it. Leaving with your knees shaking every time was amazing.


500 B ST with brand new streetwalker. I was her first client (yes I know they all say so but this one was true). And I have the video to remember it by.

Routine BBFS, no questions asked.

Nadia, a half Thai half Indian non pro I met outside Nana hotel. Craziest sex ever. She showed up once at my nice hotel wearing a white latex nurse outfit and red fishnets. Made a full prono with me with my good buddy playing cameraman and gave him a nice BJ as a reward. Used to giver her 100 USD after a few days of fun.

Great sex on Soi 6 for 700 Bhat with young hot cuties. Had to shoo them away there were so many of them.

And many many more. So yeah, compared to those days its been downhill for a while now. Covid is the final nail I fear.FFS, stop with this bullshit of "the golden days" or "back in '00". Who the fuck cares what it used to be 100 years ago? Fucking annoying as hell! Covid is the best thing that happened to mongers in a long time. It has actually set the prices back. Thermae girls are reducing prices to 4 k for LT and 2 k ST. You're still complaining? GTFO. Sick of this shit.

With enough research, 2 pops during 90 minutes can be had for 1800B with some of the hottest ladies on fiwfans. 1200-1500B for some hot young MP AND soi 6 ladies in Pattaya, too.

Just please stop complaining about how good it used to be.

[Supmam]

Haha.

There's probably some dude in a retirement village in Florida telling all he can bash that things in Thailand changed in '39. A harem of topless consorts in each village. Only protection needed was a gun against tigers.


FFS, stop with this bullshit of "the golden days" or "back in '00". Who the fuck cares what it used to be 100 years ago? Fucking annoying as hell! Covid is the best thing that happened to mongers in a long time. It has actually set the prices back. Thermae girls are reducing prices to 4 k for LT and 2 k ST. You're still complaining? GTFO. Sick of this shit.

With enough research, 2 pops during 90 minutes can be had for 1800B with some of the hottest ladies on fiwfans. 1200-1500B for some hot young MP AND soi 6 ladies in Pattaya, too.

Just please stop complaining about how good it used to be.

[Rodwint2]

I was looking at the requirement for returning to the US from Thailand. The requirement is full vaccination and a covid test taken the day before the flight. My question is which covid test is being required and where can I get a test done the day before my flight? Also, how much will it cost to get the test done? Thanks for any info.

[Crocodilexp]

FFS, stop with this bullshit of "the golden days" or "back in '00". Who the fuck cares what it used to be 100 years ago? Fucking annoying as hell! I do. You don't. Don't tell me (and others) what to talk about.

When dealing with changes, it helps to see how others perceive them. Hearing a ton of upbeat bullshit about the current scene sometimes makes me doubt my own sanity.

In a different world, maybe this forum should be all about specific tips on girls and venues (go here, pay this much), but clearly that's not the case. People talk about various mongering-related topics, and comparing the current situation to previous times is a legit one. Deal with it. Use the ignore function if you must.


Covid is the best thing that happened to mongers in a long time. It has actually set the prices back.

Prices are not the main issue. Problem is the reduced selection of working girls, which is outright depressing, often bordering on disgusting, as well as the complete lack of fun in the Bangkok scene. For a brief period in 2020, there actually was a mini-revival with a few interesting girls at low prices, but that's long gone now.

Of course, if you still love it, great for you, enjoy while you can.

[Goatscrot]

FFS, stop with this bullshit of "the golden days" or "back in '00". Who the fuck cares what it used to be 100 years ago? Fucking annoying as hell! Covid is the best thing that happened to mongers in a long time. It has actually set the prices back. Thermae girls are reducing prices to 4 k for LT and 2 k ST. You're still complaining? GTFO. Sick of this shit.

With enough research, 2 pops during 90 minutes can be had for 1800B with some of the hottest ladies on fiwfans. 1200-1500B for some hot young MP AND soi 6 ladies in Pattaya, too.

Just please stop complaining about how good it used to be.If you'll notice I did at the end of one of my posts praise the online scene, which I do find good, but as Croc said in the preceding post, the entire scene is just not fun anymore. Best analogy I can come up with is going to Disneyland and only 10% of the rides are operating and all of those at one quarter of the speed they were be operating at. Another would be skiing on a mountain that used to have fluffy powdery snow and now only has one run open and it's icy with bare spots. So no, it's not just about the cost, it is somewhat about availability as there is only a fraction of what there was, but it is about how the scene has changed over the last 10 years and most of that is not related to covid but to the changing nature of punters in Thailand.

[Mr Enternational]

I was looking at the requirement for returning to the US from Thailand. The requirement is full vaccination and a covid test taken the day before the flight. My question is which covid test is being required .Full vaccination is only required for non US citizens. Antigen test is required.

[Nounce]

This is your experience but there are many don't have the same experience as you and are free to think without the comparison.


.Hearing a ton of upbeat bullshit about the current scene sometimes makes me doubt my own sanity...I am saying the above based on your statement below.


...When dealing with changes, it helps to see how others perceive them....

[SinfullyKorean]

I do. You don't. Don't tell me (and others) what to talk about.

When dealing with changes, it helps to see how others perceive them. Hearing a ton of upbeat bullshit about the current scene sometimes makes me doubt my own sanity.

In a different world, maybe this forum should be all about specific tips on girls and venues (go here, pay this much), but clearly that's not the case. People talk about various mongering-related topics, and comparing the current situation to previous times is a legit one. Deal with it. Use the ignore function if you must.



Prices are not the main issue. Problem is the reduced selection of working girls, which is outright depressing, often bordering on disgusting, as well as the complete lack of fun in the Bangkok scene. For a brief period in 2020, there actually was a mini-revival with a few interesting girls at low prices, but that's long gone now.

Of course, if you still love it, great for you, enjoy while you can.


If you'll notice I did at the end of one of my posts praise the online scene, which I do find good, but as Croc said in the preceding post, the entire scene is just not fun anymore. Best analogy I can come up with is going to Disneyland and only 10% of the rides are operating and all of those at one quarter of the speed they were be operating at. Another would be skiing on a mountain that used to have fluffy powdery snow and now only has one run open and it's icy with bare spots. So no, it's not just about the cost, it is somewhat about availability as there is only a fraction of what there was, but it is about how the scene has changed over the last 10 years and most of that is not related to covid but to the changing nature of punters in Thailand.My apologies. I was drunk out of my mind when I wrote that post. I don't take back what I said, but I would normally exercise more restraint. I suppose that's what alcohol does.

I do find it annoying. But that's because I'm coming from the US where talents have dried up much more than here. I hope you understand that for most of us coming from abroad, this is still paradise. Where we're able to drop a nut for $36-$45 per pop easily. There are massage parlors nearby where I'm staying currently in Pattaya where their standard rate is 1200-1500 be for CFS. If you're comparing it to when you used to pay $21 back in 2000, then it seems in line with inflation, if not less.

I don't like stirring up drama and I'm sorry if I caused any butts to be hurt =).

I'll write a fiw (pun intended) FRs as recompense (in the Pattaya thread).

[LittleBigMan]

If you'll notice I did at the end of one of my posts praise the online scene, which I do find good, but as Croc said in the preceding post, the entire scene is just not fun anymore. Best analogy I can come up with is going to Disneyland and only 10% of the rides are operating and all of those at one quarter of the speed they were be operating at. Another would be skiing on a mountain that used to have fluffy powdery snow and now only has one run open and it's icy with bare spots. So no, it's not just about the cost, it is somewhat about availability as there is only a fraction of what there was, but it is about how the scene has changed over the last 10 years and most of that is not related to covid but to the changing nature of punters in Thailand.I don't think you need to soften or back down from what you wrote. I think if we can read their post they need to take the time to bare with others regardless of how old or young they are! I remember those days clearly as it happen yesterday but today is today one thing for sure everyone comes to a point in their life thinking about the old days no one is so above that it doesn't happen sadly some of us won't be around when they start doing it and someone tells them the same!

[HorseTrader]

I was looking at the requirement for returning to the US from Thailand. The requirement is full vaccination and a covid test taken the day before the flight. My question is which covid test is being required and where can I get a test done the day before my flight? Also, how much will it cost to get the test done? Thanks for any info.Agree ATG is sufficient, but it must be properly documented. Pain in the ass.

If someone finds a specific place in lower Sukhumvit area, please post. I've found many online, but haven't dug far enough to find details such as specific location, price, and appointment details.

[PedroMorales]

Vietnam has fully reopened. No quarantine. No COVID test on arrival. No Thailand Pass headache. No pre-paying for airline tickets. No pre-paying for Test and Go hotel. No insurance requirement. No chance of getting locked up for 10 days and paying out of your own pocket because your insurance won't cover for asymptomatic people.. Back to pre-pandemic entry requirements. Simple 30 day eVisa online, book flight and go. Vietnam here I come!That is for fully vaccinated (sic) mongers only.

[Allover]

I understand some are tired of hearing about the old days since those days are no longer relevant. It not that hard to scroll past those posts as we do for other topics that don't interest us. My first visit was in 1997 and it was literally heaven on earth. The sheer numbers of good looking girls begging for you to choose them is not something that can be imagined. It was unbelievable. And your age really didn't matter. As Goatscrot has pointed out old men and the hottest young girls was a common sight. I'm so happy to have been there in those times. Ok I'll stop now.

[Banana Boi]

Compared to now any single day pre-COVID was the good old days!

[Goatscrot]

Compared to now any single day pre-COVID was the good old days!I don't know, I've actually had a pretty good time with online during covid. Great looking girls and excellent prices. I'd say it's the best time I've had in quite a few years. I'm not going to be thrilled to see the hordes return.

[Turgid]

I understand some are tired of hearing about the old days since those days are no longer relevant. It not that hard to scroll past those posts as we do for other topics that don't interest us.....I have never understood guys complaining about posts. Most of the time I am on ISG I'm scrolling and stop only to read something that has piqued my interest.

[OlderMan4U]

Can anyone who's recently arrived in Thailand give their experiences in the process? Specifically, the Test and Go scheme.

I was originally not going to Thailand because of all the required tests and all but wanted to hear first hand experiences first.

So my questions:

1. I see that there is a PCR-RT test given to you on first day of arrival. Where is that done? At the airport or at the hotel?

2. Which leads me to, can you take taxi to hotel in Pattaya and get tested there instead of Bangkok?

3. How long did it take you to get your first test result back?

4. I also see that there is a day 5 test required, but this one can be rapid antigen based and can be done by yourself. How was that process?

5. It appears that you have to spend one night in a specialized hotel after the day 5 test. Did you stay your entire time in Pattaya at the same hotel you took your test? It seems like a pain to me to have to book a separate hotel on day 5 only.

6. How strict are the police about wearing face masks?

Thanks!

[Rodwint2]

Agree ATG is sufficient, but it must be properly documented. Pain in the ass.

If someone finds a specific place in lower Sukhumvit area, please post. I've found many online, but haven't dug far enough to find details such as specific location, price, and appointment details.Exactly my question. What is the ATG test? Is that a ATK test or PCR test? The CDC requirement is for an "antigen" test. So what that means is an issue.

[Monger234]

Hey folks,

Considering a mongering + tourism trip next month but not able to decide between BKK Thailand or PP Cambodia or AC Philippines.

I have travelled a lot and mongered across the globe, so I am not a newbie. But I have not been to BKK or PP or AC.

I have RTFF on all these cities, but still need advice from someone who has been to all these cities and can provide a first hand insight.

Appreciate your help and as always I will contribute to the forum after I visit one of these destinations based on your suggestion.

Cheers!

[Expat American]

Hey folks,

Considering a mongering + tourism trip next month but not able to decide between BKK Thailand or PP Cambodia or AC Philippines.

I have travelled a lot and mongered across the globe, so I am not a newbie. But I have not been to BKK or PP or AC.

I have RTFF on all these cities, but still need advice from someone who has been to all these cities and can provide a first hand insight.

Appreciate your help and as always I will contribute to the forum after I visit one of these destinations based on your suggestion.Depends how important the "tourism" part of your trip is and what you want to do in the non mongering time. Of the 3 BKK is the most interesting from a general tourism perspective and AC is the least. BKK has temples, culture, great dining, clubs etc. AC is a dilapidated third world shit hole with nothing to do outside fucking and drinking. Its ok for 3-4 days at most. PP is not quite as desolate as AC but not as good as BKK. For mongering if you want friendly English speaking girls with BBFS the norm, then its hard to beat AC, even with the higher prices and lower mileage in bars than the good old days. BKK has a large selection of pretty girls, but feels more commercial. Haven't played in PP so can't compare but seems again half way between AC and BKK.

[RacShack]

Depends how important the "tourism" part of your trip is and what you want to do in the non mongering time. Of the 3 BKK is the most interesting from a general tourism perspective and AC is the least. BKK has temples, culture, great dining, clubs etc. AC is a dilapidated third world shit hole with nothing to do outside fucking and drinking. Its ok for 3-4 days at most. PP is not quite as desolate as AC but not as good as BKK. For mongering if you want friendly English speaking girls with BBFS the norm, then its hard to beat AC, even with the higher prices and lower mileage in bars than the good old days. BKK has a large selection of pretty girls, but feels more commercial. Haven't played in PP so can't compare but seems again half way between AC and BKK.Don't forget HCM and Vietnam. My buddy another ISGer is there now. I think most of you know already who it is by his pics. He says they have Gogo dancers everywhere now and he was able to smash one the other night. He says he's having time of his life at very cheap prices 60% less than Pre-Covid. 1,000,000 2 hours of GFE from very very hot girls with the prettiest nipples. The online game is even better than Fiwfans for him. Best food in the world. He also apologizes that his LINE contacts all got lost because his Thai number was ported out and not backed up when he went to Vietnam. Those who need to contact him, already know who and how. He hopes to see some of us there soon because it's all open. Long live the Prince!

[Monger234]

Don't forget HCM and Vietnam. My buddy another ISGer is there now. I think most of you know already who it is by his pics. He says they have Gogo dancers everywhere now and he was able to smash one the other night. He says he's having time of his life at very cheap prices 60% less than Pre-Covid. 1,000,000 2 hours of GFE from very very hot girls with the prettiest nipples. The online game is even better than Fiwfans for him. Best food in the world. He also apologizes that his LINE contacts all got lost because his Thai number was ported out and not backed up when he went to Vietnam. Those who need to contact him, already know who and how. He hopes to see some of us there soon because it's all open. Long live the Prince!What a perfect timing for your reply, thank you. Just today I was going to ask about HCM Vietnam because in the original comparison between BKK, PP and AC, I somehow forgot to add HCM, which was also in my original list of destinations. How is the scene in HCM, is it restricted to a small mongering hub or is it big like BKK. Is there a lot of bars / places to pick girls and is the nightlife good. It sure looks good from RTFF of HCM, but how would you compare it to BKK. Thanks a lot for your reply!

[Member #4813]

I am a little confused on how one does this. The SHA+ hotels must be prepaid along with the PCR test. And, we must sign up for a Thai pass.

Is Agoda the best way to do this (in other words, is there one stop shopping)?

I realize that the rules changed a few days ago (no pre trip test needed, but still need the test upon arrival). But the rules are still complicated.

[Downandup]

I am a little confused on how one does this. The SHA+ hotels must be prepaid along with the PCR test. And, we must sign up for a Thai pass.

Is Agoda the best way to do this (in other words, is there one stop shopping)?

I realize that the rules changed a few days ago (no pre trip test needed, but still need the test upon arrival). But the rules are still complicated.It's probably best to book directly with the hotel or else use Agoda and ensure that you search for SHA plus hotels. I booked directly with Holiday Inn for last December.

[HorseTrader]

I am a little confused on how one does this. The SHA+ hotels must be prepaid along with the PCR test. And, we must sign up for a Thai pass.

Is Agoda the best way to do this (in other words, is there one stop shopping)?

I realize that the rules changed a few days ago (no pre trip test needed, but still need the test upon arrival). But the rules are still complicated.This thread had much discussion on the topic about 3 months ago, suggest you read there for background. Changes of which I'm aware are small: (1) The day 5 RT-PCR test is replaced with day 5 antigen test. (2) Starting April 1, you no longer need the pre-travel RT-PCR test.

Your day 1 SHA hotel package should include secure transportation from airport, RT-PCR test and the room. Be sure either food or room service is available. Since this is a special hotel package, I recommend booking directly with the hotel and skip sites like Agoda.com and Hotels.com.

[SinfullyKorean]

My hotel allowed me to partake in the breakfast buffet even though my result wasn't in yet. I don't think many of these hotels are very strict about enforcing the rules. Not that I suggest anyone break them and go out before the result comes in.


This thread had much discussion on the topic about 3 months ago, suggest you read there for background. Changes of which I'm aware are small: (1) The day 5 RT-PCR test is replaced with day 5 antigen test. (2) Starting April 1, you no longer need the pre-travel RT-PCR test.

Your day 1 SHA hotel package should include secure transportation from airport, RT-PCR test and the room. Be sure either food or room service is available. Since this is a special hotel package, I recommend booking directly with the hotel and skip sites like Agoda.com and Hotels.com.

[SteelBaton]

What a perfect timing for your reply, thank you. Just today I was going to ask about HCM Vietnam because in the original comparison between BKK, PP and AC, I somehow forgot to add HCM, which was also in my original list of destinations. How is the scene in HCM, is it restricted to a small mongering hub or is it big like BKK. Is there a lot of bars / places to pick girls and is the nightlife good. It sure looks good from RTFF of HCM, but how would you compare it to BKK. Thanks a lot for your reply!

I have spent lots of time in all of the above over the past decade (500+ girls) By far, Jakarta is the best for me. Tons of girls, lots of free lancers. Low prices ($35-$55 for FS) The city doesn't have a lot of tourism options, it but certainly good for 3-5 days if you stay near one of the shopping malls (Plaza Indonesia is the best). Easy to bring girls back to the hotels with you so pick a nice 4-5 star with a swimming pool. Indo women are generally pretty flexible, not arrogant, can be very pretty, and BB is often the rule. Fewer MILFs than other places. Lots of venue options.

Saigon was very good for a while for me, but by 2018, it seemed difficult to find young attractive girls. I had a network of a few mamasan who could deliver great girls. Occasionally possible to find an attractive girl in more recent times, but I never found a club or bar that had take-out girls. I don't think that's common/legal in Vietnam. Sometimes you can work the online forums or WeChat, but often I found that a horrible waste of time with lots of bait-n-switch. I much prefer a city that has dedicated venues where you can see, meet, and pick your girl. There are many massage options that usually deliver a happy ending, but I have tried multiple times to convert those in to FS and rarely succeeded. That said, of all the locations, Vietnam is the best for food and tourism. In Saigon or Hanoi, you can have some real fun at the KTVs if you know your way around and have a local friend, and don't mind spending money (half a dozen, half-naked or fully-naked 18-22 yr beautiful girls singing and dancing, lots of groping. No sex in the KTV, but most will go home with you for USD 100-150). I would say, for me, very high chance of a strike out in Saigon if I want FS with attractive non-MILF under 24 and I'm not doing the KTV route.

AC is exactly as described, a shithole of rundown bars and a ton of friendly MILFs. If you are ok with some baby damage and want nonstop maximum drinking and cheap sex with basic food and no ambiance, it's an awesome choice. Pinoys are really sweet, kind, women and they all speak more English than the other locations. But after three visits, I won't go back.

PP. Haven't been in 4 years, but the bars were pretty good back then. I like the city a lot. Good food, nice attractions. A Khmer girl often is fairly docile and sweet, like a lot of Buddhists. If I didn't love Jakarta so much, I would re-visit, maybe I should put it on the list for 2022.

BKK. The most "sex-forward" of places, lots of options and very unlikely to not find what you are after. Good food. Nice city to visit, lots of tourism options. Personally, I would try Phuket these days, but have never mongered there, no cant add an informed opinion.

Manila. You didn't put it on your list, but I would rank it above AC as more likely to find single girls, not only MILFs.

Personal ranking:

Jakarta: 9/10.

BKK: 8/10.

PP (circa 2018): 7/10.

HCMC: 6/10.

AC: 5/10.

The obvious choice is to go to two or three cities over 2 to 3 weeks if you have the time. The places are all within a few hours of each other.

[Sir Lancelot]

Personal ranking:

Jakarta: 9/10.

BKK: 8/10.

PP (circa 2018): 7/10.

HCMC: 6/10.

AC: 5/10..It's an interesting debate. Personally I would rank Jakarta much lower. Yes it is very cheap and has some exceptionally pretty young girls in places like Classic, Travel, Pen J, Stadium etc, but it's a bang and go type place with far fewer long-time opportunities, the girls speak little English and I struggled to either find the girlfriend experience (a lot of girls don't kiss) or the pornstar experience (a lot of girls won't give oral). It's a great place to have cheap quickies with gorgeous girls but the sex cannot compare to other places in Asia in my opinion.

Your assessment of Angeles massively differs from my experience too. I found on multiple visits there were lots of young, pretty girls, available for long-time at about 60% of the price you'd pay in Thailand. All the girls speak excellent English and Filipinas are by far the most carnal girls I've encountered in Asia. In my opinion, Angeles is the only place that can rival Pattaya or Bangkok, although it's a gogo town with little else going on (the beauty of Thailand is the sheer variety of ways you can meet girls). The other places you listed like Ho Chi Minh and Phnom Penh I found to be interesting diversions, but no more.

[Explorer8939]

I am looking for a link to the official announcement that pre-departure RT-PCR tests are no longer required on April 1.

[Banana Boi]

Rankings of all the P4P cities I have been to in SEA. This is only on girls' looks and quantity of girls. Price is not relevant. This has nothing to do with service since that is huge YMMV everywhere anyways. In brackets are the number of visits I have made since 2016. Caveat Emptor I have not been to any of these places except Thailand since COVID began.

Jakarta (10+).
Pattaya (hometown).
Bangkok (40+ at least).
Singapore (3).
Ho Chi Minh (2).
Phnom Penh (10).
Kuala Lumpur (2).

Regarding Jakarta yes it's true it's mainly incalls but I think many guys on here are more than happy with places like Soi 6 in Pattaya. If you want girls to take home there are tons at iBar type places like CJs and Bats. Not sure if Sir Lancelot has been to those.

Now if you care to do things in addition to P4P, Bangkok is the best city followed by Singapore.

Here's a YouTube video of Bui Vien Walking Street this past weekend. Are BKK or Soi Buakhao currently rocking like this when you guys say they're busy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_L50wk-YTM&t=28s.

[Axel Heyst]

Here's a YouTube video of Bui Vien Walking Street this past weekend. Are BKK or Soi Buakhao currently rocking like this when you guys say they're busy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_L50wk-YTM&t=28s.I never been to Vietnam although I like the Viet girls I have met in HGK and Singapore mucho. The Viet's that use to to hang out in Wan Chai bars 10 years ago were the life of the party.

This street in Saigon looks like a tourist nightmare to me. I see something like Walking Street Pattaya pre-Covid with similar foot traffic but without Go Go's, bars, and girls and by girls I mean hookers. No thanks.

[Axel Heyst]

I have spent lots of time in all of the above over the past decade (500+ girls) By far, Jakarta is the best for me. Tons of girls, lots of free lancers. Low prices ($35-$55 for FS) The city doesn't have a lot of tourism options, it but certainly good for 3-5 days if you stay near one of the shopping malls (Plaza Indonesia is the best). Easy to bring girls back to the hotels with you so pick a nice 4-5 star with a swimming pool. Indo women are generally pretty flexible, not arrogant, can be very pretty, and BB is often the rule. Fewer MILFs than other places. Lots of venue options.

Saigon was very good for a while for me, but by 2018, it seemed difficult to find young attractive girls. I had a network of a few mamasan who could deliver great girls. Occasionally possible to find an attractive girl in more recent times, but I never found a club or bar that had take-out girls. I don't think that's common/legal in Vietnam. Sometimes you can work the online forums or WeChat, but often I found that a horrible waste of time with lots of bait-n-switch. I much prefer a city that has dedicated venues where you can see, meet, and pick your girl. There are many massage options that usually deliver a happy ending, but I have tried multiple times to convert those in to FS and rarely succeeded. That said, of all the locations, Vietnam is the best for food and tourism..A good list, Steel. I am glad you posted. It got me thinking about my own favorite towns.

I have never been to Saigon for exactly the reason you describe above. No thanks. It just sounds like too much trouble to find obliging hot girls to consider this city a 1st class or even a 2nd class mongering water hole and most 4* to 5* hotels are girl unfriendly, so it has never been on my radar.

I like Jakarta because I love Jakarta girls. They are so natural and up for a good time! My favorite joint is Malioboro / Malio and I am very happy to hear it is survived Covid. Emporium is gone as is Blok M / Too bad! I used to enjoy starting the evening out in a bordello and then later going to CJ's, Bats, or Blok M to look for a 2nd girl. The longest amount of time I spent in Jakarta on any one trip was 3 weeks and I was ready to fly to Manila by the end of that visit. Ha Ha. 2 to 2.5 weeks is ample. I definitely would not want to live there.

So despite all it's flaws and there are many, I still think Thailand reigns as the number 1 girly destination on the planet. BKK & Pattaya. The reason is obvious: girls, girls, girls, anytime of the day or night. Just walk outside your hotel in BKK or Pat and you are there. Plus the food is great and it has very low crime stats. I walk anywhere, day or night, and I have never seen any trouble.

Phnom Penh is an enjoyable city. The girls are sexy and kind of funky too. I like that. They are a lot of fun. At one point back in the early 00's I actually liked PNH over BKK. Then the hostess bars changed a little with the advent of BMD girls and it was not as good as before, but I still like the place. But, Phnom is a relatively small place and it can get old fast. 2 to 3 weeks is about the most time I would want to spend there on any one trip.

Singapore pre-Covid was a really worthwhile destination. But I don't know if the good times will ever come back. The OT and Brix Bar were outstanding pick up joints. That's were I met a boatload of Viet girls. Geylang used to rock too. I liked the Chinese 150 houses best, and walking around Geylang after dark pre 2015 and being surrounded & accosted by hundreds, yes hundreds, of girls was simply amazing. I loved it!

Same same for Manila. I used to prefer Manila over AC. Why? Because the quality of Makati girls was so much higher (and so was the price, unfortunately). I met some of my all time favorite girls in Bottoms, Plan Bee & Kojax. The girls at EDSA were not too shabby either and super friendly. But the EDSA complex is closed for good and nobody knows the status of the 3 bars I just mentioned. I cry for you, Manila!

AC is a dump, always has been. It is a poor man's Pattaya, 555. Nothing to do all day except hang out by the hotel pool or go to a shitty shopping mall. It has been in decline for some time. I stopped going there in 2015. Pre 2010 it was pretty great! There were plenty of young, attractive bar girls and the EWR (early work release) was only 1200 p. For that small sum the girls would stay all night and shag as many times as you wanted. In fact getting them to leave was the problem back in the day. Pre-Covid 2019, however, AC was not the same place and I doubt things are going to improve post-Covid. I will probably never go back although you never know.

RGN: before Covid, I began branching out with side trips to Yangon. The girls were great and very unspoiled. I liked that! The city is spread out like Jakarta and you must take taxis to go from bar to bar, but the town is good. I will go back when I return to SE Asia.

HKG used to be great. This is the place where I found many lovely Viet girls as well as smokin' hot Japanese, Korean, Mainland Chinese, and even Mongolian girls. It is dead now and I do not see it ever coming back to life.

Sao Paulo: my new love! Yeah, thanks to Covid I changed continents. Easy entry, lots of super hot girls, good food; what is not to like? Nothing, plus it is 8. 5 hours from my home compared to 24 hours to BKK. SP is spread out like Jakarta. Fortunately Uber is cheap. For daytime action there are the Moema Clinicas which very much resemble Geylang houses. 240 BR is the all inclusive price for an hour of bliss with one of the girls. It is very worthwhile. Nightime action is centered around the Boates (bordellos) like in Jakarta and here SP really shines. Scandallo, for example, IMHO ranks as one of the best bordellos in the world, better than Malioboro / Mali club. I love this joint because every night you will find 100 to 150 freelance, very attractive, high class FL girls to choose from.

RJ (Rio de Janeiro): I had to include it in my roundup, although IMHO it pales in comparison to SP. It just does, sort of like MNL vs AC because the highest quality is found in SP even though RJ is still fun with plenty of Termas and small pick up bars to find girls, and it has iconic beaches.

So that's my list of favorite watering holes. If I had to place them in order of preference it would be:

1. BKK.

2. Pat.

3. Sao Paulo.

4. Jakarta.

5. MNL*.

6. Singapore*.

7. Phnom.

9. RJ.

9. Yangon.

10. AC.

* Sadly I have placed asterisks on MNL & Singapore because I have serious doubts that they will return to their pre-Covid good times. I sincerely hope they do.

[Axel Heyst]

How did I leave Macau off my list of favorite destinations? I do not know.

From 2009 to Covid, I never travelled to Asia without spending 5 week nights (Sunday to Friday) in Macau at the beginning or the end of my Asian trip. Super expensive, you betcha, but my favorite Saunas had the best selection of Chinese Mainland, Korean, and Taiwanese girls anywhere! The NE Asian talent was so good that Viet girls were considered entry level (the least expensive) or they were consigned to thigh massage (hand job) duties.

In one of my favorite saunas pretty little Indonesian girls were given the sole job of helping customers disrobe. They apparently were not considered shag worthy. 555. Anyway, Macau had top quality girls, great service, super high prices, and great Cantonese food. It was one of my favorite destinations. I pray that the Saunas survive Covid! So here is my revised list of favorite watering holes:

1. BKK.

2. Pat.

3. Sao Paulo.

4. Jakarta.

5. MNL*.

6. Macau.

7. Singapore.

8. Phnom Penh.

9. RJ.

10. Yangon.

11. AC.

[TourduMonde]

I am looking for a link to the official announcement that pre-departure RT-PCR tests are no longer required on April 1.As of yesterday the legal change had yet to be published in the Royal Gazette. It's still at the level of "politicians have agreed".

[Explorer8939]

As of yesterday the legal change had yet to be published in the Royal Gazette. It's still at the level of "politicians have agreed".I am told the new rules will be published on Monday.

[BroComplex]

In these high end massage places can you fuck them without condom?Are you trying to get super gonorrhea or something. Those massage girls fuck multiple men a day I wouldn't fuck them without a condom.

[OlderMan4U]

I am looking for a link to the official announcement that pre-departure RT-PCR tests are no longer required on April 1.I would rather take the pre-departure RT-PCR test and forgo the two in-country. The way I look at it, it's better to test positive before getting on the flight and having to cancel / reschedule, than test positive in Thailand get stuck in miserable quarantine conditions for 10-14 days.

And the United States continues to require a negative PCR-RT test only one day before flying back to the USA.

[EihTooms]

Are you trying to get super gonorrhea or something. Those massage girls fuck multiple men a day I wouldn't fuck them without a condom.Is this intel from your personal experience and testimonials from other guys you know who frequent those high end venues?

Because if it is, it seems like you are saying those top of the line stunner girls fuck bareback routinely and with virtually every customer. How else could they get the STDs you suggest a customer would avoid by wearing a condom?

If so, great! I might even be up for booking or taking one if those top of the line stunners even at something like 10,000 baht. Once in a while anyway.

Do I need to discuss it with them upfront or should I just count on the stunner I choose to simply go along with it without my mentioning it.

Frankly, I have not yet seen the That stunner who would be worth 10,000 baht for Short Time or Long Time unless BBFS+CIP was enthusiastically agreed to upfront.

[HorseTrader]

…And the United States continues to require a negative PCR-RT test only one day before flying back to the USA.Not quite accurate. The USA requires a viral test, which is less restrictive than only allowing RT-PCR test. The headache is that you must follow a certain process, simply doing an informal at home test is insufficient unless it includes certain documentation.

For my return I'll be using a hotel sponsored RT-PCR test, which is the same process as used on arrival. Expensive, yes. Easy, yes.

[OlderMan4U]

Not quite accurate. The USA requires a viral test, which is less restrictive than only allowing RT-PCR test. The headache is that you must follow a certain process, simply doing an informal at home test is insufficient unless it includes certain documentation.

For my return I'll be using a hotel sponsored RT-PCR test, which is the same process as used on arrival. Expensive, yes. Easy, yes.Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. I'm not too bright about the various tests. But yes you do have to follow some guidelines including getting proper documentation and all.

It's still not something I can risk with my current job.

[Explorer8939]

I am back in Thailand, and awaiting the results of the Covid test.

I am sharing a Test and Go room with a Thai lady this time.

[Banana Boi]

I am sharing a Test and Go room with a Thai lady this time.Free Thai lady courtesy of the SHA+ hotel I hope.

[Explorer8939]

Free Thai lady courtesy of the SHA+ hotel I hope.No, I took her to South America for 3 months.

She came back to Pattaya, and went out drinking the first night. Now she has Covid.

[OlderMan4U]

Can anyone recommend a reputable rapid antigen test center in Pattaya that the airlines will accept at BKK before flying back to the USA? I think it's either PCR or antigen accepted and antigen seems faster results.

[StLouisMo2010]

I have applied for the Travel Pass, about 2 weeks ago:

Within 30 minutes I have received- Insurance (paid with receipt and policy) Test and Go Hotel voucher (and even directions from the hotel for arrival), have submitted Hotel Voucher, Vax info for 3 shots,. No word from Travel Pass. Upon inquiry I get "Info not registered" and then I get a solicitation from "consultants" who can clear Travel Pass. Quickly, guaranteed, for about 2500 BT. Any comments, advise would be appreciated, I do have 6 weeks before arrival, which could possibly be the reason for delay, but who knows?

[Allover]

I'm finally in the very initial stages of a trip to Thailand in July. Problem is I was diagnosed with Covid a few days ago. My concern, other than a fast recovery, is I could possibly test positive for months. Has anybody been in this situation? Is it possible to avoid 10 days in hospital quarantine?

[Explorer8939]

The government is considering further reductions in requirements for entry into Thailand, such as eliminating the one day quarantine and the RT-PCR test. They are looking at implementation in May.

[Rodwint2]

Can anyone recommend a reputable rapid antigen test center in Pattaya that the airlines will accept at BKK before flying back to the USA? I think it's either PCR or antigen accepted and antigen seems faster results.This is the US Embassy for Thailand website regarding Covid 19: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.

This is the list of hospitals and clinics in Thailand that are recognized for providing tests for US return: https://service.dmsc.moph.go.th/labscovid19/indexen.php.

This list is linked from the embassy webpage.

[Explorer8939]

I'm finally in the very initial stages of a trip to Thailand in July. Problem is I was diagnosed with Covid a few days ago. My concern, other than a fast recovery, is I could possibly test positive for months. Has anybody been in this situation? Is it possible to avoid 10 days in hospital quarantine?Another question:

A lady friend is recovering from Omicron, when can I safely bang her?

[Seeko]

I have applied for the Travel Pass, about 2 weeks ago:
No word from Travel Pass. Upon inquiry I get "Info not registered" and then I get a solicitation from "consultants" who can clear Travel Pass. Quickly, guaranteed, for about 2500 BT. Any comments, advise would be appreciated, I do have 6 weeks before arrival, which could possibly be the reason for delay, but who knows?Did you apply with the official Thailand government website? https://tp.consular.go.th/home.

If so, try contacting them via their official channels, via Contact Us link.

I'd just apply again. I believe they don't process them until near departure date. Mine and a friend's passes were approved 2 days before flight. Another friend got worried when he was a week out and still no reply, so he just contacted them and received his next day.

Do not reply to any email from Thailand Pass. There was news about its database being hacked and email addresses of applicants being stolen. I still get a spear-phishing email every other week from supposedly Thailand Pass, stating that there's something wrong with my submitted documents and that I need to provide my DoB and passport number. Yeah, right. I've been in LOS for a few months, so I don't think I will be needing ThPass services. Nice try.

[OlderMan4U]

This is the US Embassy for Thailand website regarding Covid 19: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.

This is the list of hospitals and clinics in Thailand that are recognized for providing tests for US return: https://service.dmsc.moph.go.th/labscovid19/indexen.php.

This list is linked from the embassy webpage.Awesome, thank you (and others who PM'd me).

I wish the CDC kept the three day test window, but it is what it is.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Try Phuket, short time starts 2000 up. Usually 2 k-3 k depending on services. Because of high prices, I ask more thing such as BBFS, CIM, Rimming, deep throat etc. my success rate for all of these services is almost %90 Otherwise I don't accept to pay these high fees here in phuket. I never barfined from bars , always look for freelancers.

There is still mandatory ATK test in Pattaya before entering Gogos ?More bullshit from you Kievfreak, so I ask why you keep spreading it?

Those prices might be asked of dumb tourists on Patong, Bangla Road Walking Street, or ThaiFriendly, but they are not general Patong bar prices.

And even at those places, experienced punters have no problems getting those initial asking prices dropped considerably.

So why can't you?

Look around Patong OTOP, Patong Ratuthit or Nanai Road bars and the prices are much less than that.

Get out of Patong and hit the bars in Kamala, Kata, Karon, Chalong or Rawai and you will get short time easily for 1000 or a bit more plus bar fine.

And that will be with quality girls, some even the SYT (21) no baby damage ones you've claimed are no longer available in Phuket.

[Kiev Freak]

More bullshit from you Kievfreak, so I ask why you keep spreading it?

Those prices might be asked of dumb tourists on Patong, Bangla Road Walking Street, or ThaiFriendly, but they are not general Patong bar prices.

And even at those places, experienced punters have no problems getting those initial asking prices dropped considerably.

So why can't you?

Look around Patong OTOP, Patong Ratuthit or Nanai Road bars and the prices are much less than that.

Get out of Patong and hit the bars in Kamala, Kata, Karon, Chalong or Rawai and you will get short time easily for 1000 or a bit more plus bar fine.

And that will be with quality girls, some even the SYT (21) no baby damage ones you've claimed are no longer available in Phuket.

Why you defend these girls so aggressively? Unless you have bar business in Phuket, there is really no sense about it. If you could get better prices for young and nice girls, I am really happy for you. I cannot. I am just saying what I am quoted all the time on Thaifriendly and tinder freelancers for short time. 90% of girls wont accept long time , doesnt matter how much offered. I am talking about my experiences about online girls and freelancers in night clubs. Didnt try rawai and Kamala bar scenes. Dont know prices there. And these prices for Phuket.dont know situation in pattaya. And my post about girls 7+ , not chubby and has a decent face. If you can accept older ones , yeah , cheaper prices possible.

@walkaboutboyz

Bars and gogos are money trap in Phuket IMO.prices skyrocketed here. Many girls even won't leave bar, because they just make money from drinks. Lady drinks 220 baht, and they prefer to stay at bar and being a drink sl*t. Unfortunately many newbies just keep buying LDs by hoping girls will come with them. But usually they won’t. I didn't try gogos in Phuket but Another punter wrote in Phuket topic, he paid 15 k bar fine for 5 days and also expected to pay 15 k for girl for 5 days /24 hours. So total damage 30k for 5 days. Of course everybody has their own budget, but this is really not for me.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Why you defend these girls so aggressively? Unless you have bar business in Phuket, there is really no sense about it. If you could get better prices for young and nice girls, I am really happy for you. I cannot. I am just saying what I am quoted all the time on Thaifriendly and tinder freelancers for short time. 90% of girls wont accept long time , doesnt matter how much offered. I am talking about my experiences about online girls and freelancers in night clubs. Didnt try rawai and Kamala bar scenes. Dont know prices there. And these prices for Phuket.dont know situation in pattaya. And my post about girls 7+ , not chubby and has a decent face. If you can accept older ones , yeah , cheaper prices possible.I'm not defending anyone, and I have no interest in bars.

But what you are putting out there about Phuket prices and availability across multiple forums (Phuket and now Pattaya) is wrong.

You are branding all of Phuket with your poor experiences in one part of Patong, Bangla Road and with ThaiFriendly and Tinder, and making that out to be the situation everywhere in Phuket. Only when challenged do you back down and specify things a little more.

If you don't like your experiences you have had in Phuket, then fine, no problem, but please stop promoting that what you have had is the norm in Phuket, its not, not even close.

[Paolo99]

I didn't try gogos in Phuket but Another punter wrote in Phuket topic, he paid 15 k bar fine for 5 days and also expected to pay 15 k for girl for 5 days /24 hours. So total damage 30k for 5 days. Of course everybody has their own budget, but this is really not for me.There have always been guys doing these kind of stuff, even in Pattaya. But it doesn't mean it is the norm to pay these prices. I don't know the situation in Phuket right now, but maybe you should stop trying Thaifriendly or Tinder and go meet the girls directly in the bars instead.

[AggieDad1]

Was waiting for the USA To drop the requirement for the covid test for getting back into the country. But in the last few days I decided to just take the trip and if I get stuck in Thailand because of a positive covid test then so be it. So I began looking at dates and flights and discovered something unusual. It does not matter if I book the flight for two days from now or two weeks from now flights from Houston to Bangkok are the same price. So I started looking at May 2nd as a good date for leaving Houston and arriving on May 3rd in Bangkok. But then I find out since the rules are changing I cannot even apply for Thailand pass until the 29th of April. Just my luck.

[OlderMan4U]

Yeah, who would have thought Thailand would outdo the United States in terms of getting things back to normal.

Quite frankly I was shocked that the Thai government basically said, screw this, we're opening back up fully with little to no restrictions on May 1st. At the rate they were going, I would have thought nothing would have changed until towards the end of the year.

I do believe this will finally be the so called "game changer" in terms of reinvigorating tourism to Thailand, at least until there are no restrictions. But May 1st, as long are you are fully vaccinated, no more testing whatsoever required (only self test recommended if needed). For those not vaccinated, all they need to do to avoid the quarantine and testing in country, is to test negative no more than 72 hours before flight. That's as good as it gets.

Masks are still required of course, but I figure there's some leeway with that in Pattaya outside of businesses (your mileage may vary).

[Mr Enternational]

For those not vaccinated, all they need to do to avoid the quarantine and testing in country, is to test negative no more than 72 hours before flight. That's as good as it gets.Thanks. I had not seen that. Last I saw when this was announced the other day is that nonvaxed have to quarantine 5 days and everyone has to have 10K insurance.

[Breadman]

Yeah, who would have thought Thailand would outdo the United States in terms of getting things back to normal..Just remember, its not Thailand greeting you before you board the flight. Its the airline and their rules you have to follow. And for those flying from the USA and Canada, remember that you are not flying into Thailand on your original carrier but a foreign carrier and it is their rules you have to follow when you go to board that flight.

[Nixonbd]

Yeah, who would have thought Thailand would outdo the United States in terms of getting things back to normal.

Quite frankly I was shocked that the Thai government basically said, screw this, we're opening back up fully with little to no restrictions on May 1st. At the rate they were going, I would have thought nothing would have changed until towards the end of the year.

I do believe this will finally be the so called "game changer" in terms of reinvigorating tourism to Thailand, at least until there are no restrictions. But May 1st, as long are you are fully vaccinated, no more testing whatsoever required (only self test recommended if needed). For those not vaccinated, all they need to do to avoid the quarantine and testing in country, is to test negative no more than 72 hours before flight. That's as good as it gets..In the Pattaya vids I have seen over the past couple weeks, very few people are wearing masks as they walk around town and neither are the girls standing on the street outside their bars.

[HorseTrader]

...So I started looking at May 2nd as a good date for leaving Houston and arriving on May 3rd in Bangkok. But then I find out since the rules are changing I cannot even apply for Thailand pass until the 29th of April. Just my luck.Typical Thai action. Declare May 1 the date of change but not provide a reasonable way for anybody to arrive until well after May 1.

One Thai Pass problem from January is that my first choice COVID insurance company refused to cover me and their automated rejection didn't state why. I applied to another company and was quickly accepted. Nothing is certain about Thai Pass until you actually have it in hand.


In the Pattaya vids I have seen over the past couple weeks, very few people are wearing masks as they walk around town and neither are the girls standing on the street outside their bars.I didn't get to Pattaya in my recent trip, but people in several other areas were wearing masks consistently until they got seated at their restaurant. I'd estimate 95% wearing masks on BTS / MRT and airports, 90% in malls and stores, 80% on streets away from red light districts, 20% on streets in red light districts, and 10% in restaurants. Farang wore masks less than Thai.

[AggieDad1]

I tried applying in the opening minutes of the new Thailand Pass. Needless to say the first few hours did not go well. It was about 2 and one half hours into the process when I finally got a popup with a code and a notice saying I should have my pas in "3 to 5 days". I used the code to check my status and that screen said "48 hours". Three hours after getting the popup I received an official email confirming my application. About 13 hours from receiving the email I received another email with my approved Thailand Pass QR code. I am hearing that people applying now are receiving there QR code much faster.

[TConor]

I tried applying in the opening minutes of the new Thailand Pass. Needless to say the first few hours did not go well. It was about 2 and one half hours into the process when I finally got a popup with a code and a notice saying I should have my pas in "3 to 5 days". I used the code to check my status and that screen said "48 hours". Three hours after getting the popup I received an official email confirming my application. About 13 hours from receiving the email I received another email with my approved Thailand Pass QR code. I am hearing that people applying now are receiving there QR code much faster.When so many other places will not require such BS.

[LittleBigMan]

The country leaders of Thailand are playing it safe like always their practice is to watch and follow what other countries do even then they most likely after reading everything stand around scratching their heads as the reason why it is turtle slow.

The pressure is on within their ranks sure it is one day this the next something else but the proposal has been submitted to end two days ago to review the request to end it all by June 1st, personally, I think it might even happen?

Predictable, prior to Songkran they throw it out that after the numbers should be in the 50,000 range this is classic Thailand to throw a high number out if it isn't reached then leaders all look good, guys like Anutin can stand up and claim they got a handle of things that covid is no match for their medical system. Since Songkran, the rate has dropped to 15,000 a day from 25,000 so are we headed to opening?

Tomorrow it will be May 1st, the next meeting in two weeks by cabinet cross your fingers?

[AggieDad1]

The country leaders of Thailand are playing it safe like always their practice is to watch and follow what other countries do even then they most likely after reading everything stand around scratching their heads as the reason why it is turtle slow.

The pressure is on within their ranks sure it is one day this the next something else but the proposal has been submitted to end two days ago to review the request to end it all by June 1st, personally, I think it might even happen?

Predictable, prior to Songkran they throw it out that after the numbers should be in the 50,000 range this is classic Thailand to throw a high number out if it isn't reached then leaders all look good, guys like Anutin can stand up and claim they got a handle of things that covid is no match for their medical system. Since Songkran, the rate has dropped to 15,000 a day from 25,000 so are we headed to opening?

Tomorrow it will be May 1st, the next meeting in two weeks by cabinet cross your fingers?The good vaccines have their benefits in that they lower the chance of sever illness and death. If you get the vaccine that is your choice. That said, the difference in the way the two groups should be treated is maybe have the unvaccinated have a higher insurance coverage than the vaccinated, since they are more likely to spend more time in the hospital. But that is it. By the way I got the J&J vaccine in April 2021. Since it was getting close to the one year mark and some countries consider you unvaccinated if you haven't had a booster after so many months I went ahead and received the Phizer shot as the booster. Ran a fever the first night and was tired a couple of days but was ok after that.

[TConor]

The good vaccines have their benefits in that they lower the chance of sever illness and death. If you get the vaccine that is your choice. That said, the difference in the way the two groups should be treated is maybe have the unvaccinated have a higher insurance coverage than the vaccinated, since they are more likely to spend more time in the hospital. But that is it. By the way I got the J&J vaccine in April 2021. Since it was getting close to the one year mark and some countries consider you unvaccinated if you haven't had a booster after so many months I went ahead and received the Phizer shot as the booster. Ran a fever the first night and was tired a couple of days but was ok after that.That said, the difference in the way the two groups should be treated is maybe have the unvaccinated have a higher insurance coverage than the vaccinated, since they are more likely to spend more time in the hospital. But that is it.

The unvaccinated also have a greater chance of getting the virus and anyone getting it (even the break through cases) have a chance to spread it. So they need to be treated as the they are, inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated. The exceptions are for medical reasons, I mean exception for not being inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated.

[AggieDad1]

The unvaccinated also have a greater chance of getting the virus and anyone getting it (even the break through cases) have a chance to spread it. So they need to be treated as the they are, inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated. The exceptions are for medical reasons, I mean exception for not being inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated.In most cases I would agree with you. But we are talking about Thailand, which is still having 10 to 20 thousand new cases a day. Considering reported cases are only a small percentage of actual cases (lots of asymptomatic cases with omichron), the major concern is not unvaccinated tourist adding to the spread, but the unvaccinated getting sick and ending up in the hospital. Anyone coming to Thailand at this time needs to be aware that the virus is still very active in Thailand. Even the vaccinated is taking a risk. That said, I will be there May 3rd with a bag full of masks looking for a good time. LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

That said, the difference in the way the two groups should be treated is maybe have the unvaccinated have a higher insurance coverage than the vaccinated, since they are more likely to spend more time in the hospital. But that is it.

The unvaccinated also have a greater chance of getting the virus and anyone getting it (even the break through cases) have a chance to spread it. So they need to be treated as the they are, inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated. The exceptions are for medical reasons, I mean exception for not being inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated.Except I disagree. That is not it. I may be inconsiderate, stupid, or just uneducated, but I have had experience.

While me and other friends and family members have been stomping all over South and Central America and the Caribbean with no vaccine and no masks and as of late been on planes all around the USA with no vaccine and no mask and have not contracted any virus, I have had other fully vaccinated friends and family members that barely left the house and got the disease. Most said it was the worst 2 weeks of their life although they were not hospitalized.

And what exactly is the treatment for someone that is hospitalized? Last I heard was when they were only sticking tubes down the patients' throats and most of them did not make it home from that anyway.

[TConor]

Except I disagree. That is not it. I may be inconsiderate, stupid, or just uneducated, but I have had experience.

While me and other friends and family members have been stomping all over South and Central America and the Caribbean with no vaccine and no masks and as of late been on planes all around the USA with no vaccine and no mask and have not contracted any virus, I have had other fully vaccinated friends and family members that barely left the house and got the disease. Most said it was the worst 2 weeks of their life although they were not hospitalized.

And what exactly is the treatment for someone that is hospitalized? Last I heard was when they were only sticking tubes down the patients' throats and most of them did not make it home from that anyway.So let's hope you and your friends continue to beat the odds, but when the wheel turns to "oo" , let's hope God or if you are here, Buddha has mercy on why'all.

Oh, and the Pfizer pill is a treatment BEFORE you get into a hospital. The pill is Paxlovid:

Pfizer said safety data in the trial was consistent with previous studies, which had shown the pills to be nearly 90% effective at preventing hospitalization or death in COVID patients at high risk of severe illness when taken for five days shortly after symptom onset.

[EihTooms]

Yeah it's ridiculous.

I always tell them that I usually only take the same girl once, which is usually true, and might come back for the other girls in bar. If they get a bad attitude I just pay my check bin and move onto another bar.I know a few fellow punters whose main strategy for getting BBBF+CIP with the girls is to work on the reality of their general unattractiveness and present themselves as shy losers in the sexual arena at home and abroad, that they just arrived in Thailand, it's been a very long time since they got laid in their home country, not sure how things work around here, gee it would be great and so lucky if they found a beautiful lady like you I could see while I am here, blah blah blah.

The girl might and often does conclude, yep, he is damn unattractive, probably has not had sex with anyone in a long time (therefore little or no chance of having HIV or any other STI) and certainly not with a girl as young and hot as me and if I rock his world in bed like he has likely never experienced I will be his go-to girl throughout his entire stay. Besides, she might conclude, not many other girls would agree to have any kind of sex with this troll much less Real Sex but I am special and can deal with it.

Therefore, his being seen trotting around multiple girls from that and other nearby bars tends to contradict that little scenario strategy. Who knows what the first and subsequent bare back girls will say to everyone else about his "unfortunate but sexually safe" profile once they realize they've been fooled.

Those are the guys I know who are terrified to be seen by previous ladies with other ladies and would never take another girl from the same bar.

The funny part is the guys who can and do get away with presenting themselves that way and have the looks to make it believable get more BBFS+CIP with more new and different girls in two weeks than I do in 6 months! LOL. So any girls who think fucking guys like that is in any way safer for them in terms of risk of disease could not be more wrong.