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But buying from the source / where they're made is really appealing. I swear there's a supermodel on every corner in Kyiv. Too bad the putz to the east is denying us our God given right to seek it out.Totally agree with this, service is always better on their own territory, and in Kyiv they are just ridiculously hot. It's a pleasure just walking around the city, so many beautiful women everywhere.
Totally agree with this, service is always better on their own territory, and in Kyiv they are just ridiculously hot. It's a pleasure just walking around the city, so many beautiful women everywhere.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4EMXvCF8Ns
I just watched this guys video and felt sick. He made a horrible joke to Ukrainians and doesn't know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4EMXvCF8Ns
I just watched this guys video and felt sick. He made a horrible joke to Ukrainians and doesn't know it.I prefer the evidence of my own experiences. When I have been there, and I was there recently, the people were pleasant as always, and the girls were gorgeous everywhere I turned.
DramaFree11
04-02-24, 15:57
I prefer the evidence of my own experiences. When I have been there, and I was there recently, the people were pleasant as always, and the girls were gorgeous everywhere I turned.In the middle of a war, people are pleasant and happy. You are truly living in Fantasy world. Hot girls everywhere, you are in serious denial.
LOL, as a true 'nostradamus' I'll say this.
While the West seems to be tired and in disarray right now, the last quarter of 2024 will break this pattern. Trump and the Reps (the last Putin's hope) will lose miserably, the military aid to Ukraine will resume in spades, and not only will the Third Rome (or Fourth Reich, as some would call it more accurately) eventually return to the borders of 1991 -- it'll start devouring itself from the inside until it finally shrinks into a much smaller (and hopefully more peaceful) normally-sized country.
Till then, Ukraine must hold on, since you're absolutely right -- they don't have another choice.So the first part (resumption of the US military aid) has almost come true, much earlier than I anticipated.
And the last 6 months have proved that Ukraine can stand on its own even with Russia's artillery advantage of 6-10 to 1, denying the aggressor any significant gains and making them pay in tens of thousands of dead and crippled Russian solders for every village and township they've managed to "conquer" so far.
In the meantime, Ukraine keeps destroying the Russian Navy and hitting military targets and fuel refineries deep inside Russia reducing aggressor's economic means needed to finance the war.
The age of empires is gone.
DramaFree11
04-23-24, 21:10
So the first part (resumption of the US military aid) has almost come true, much earlier than I anticipated.
And the last 6 months have proved that Ukraine can stand on its own even with Russia's artillery advantage of 6-10 to 1, denying the aggressor any significant gains and making them pay in tens of thousands of dead and crippled Russian solders for every village and township they've managed to "conquer" so far.
In the meantime, Ukraine keeps destroying the Russian Navy and hitting military targets and fuel refineries deep inside Russia reducing aggressor's economic means needed to finance the war.
The age of empires is gone.You truly live in a fantasy world.
So the first part (resumption of the US military aid) has almost come true, much earlier than I anticipated.
And the last 6 months have proved that Ukraine can stand on its own even with Russia's artillery advantage of 6-10 to 1, denying the aggressor any significant gains and making them pay in tens of thousands of dead and crippled Russian solders for every village and township they've managed to "conquer" so far.
In the meantime, Ukraine keeps destroying the Russian Navy and hitting military targets and fuel refineries deep inside Russia reducing aggressor's economic means needed to finance the war.
The age of empires is gone.And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
Western hegemony is gone.
The following has more truth in it than literally the stupid shit coming out of the mouth of the arm chair enemy:
https://youtu.be/duPBb1ftpsM?si=axquBj_A2cyakpry
And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
Western hegemony is gone.You're right.
The Russians are way more effective than American billions could ever be.
Russia drops 21 bombs on itself in huge humiliation for Putin as casualties remain mystery.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-drops-21-bombs-on-itself-in-huge-humiliation-for-putin-as-casualties-remain-mystery/ar-AA1nw21e?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=ef0356eed83a4784bcc9b8e87893266f&ei=13
Keep up a good work!
And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.Let's wait and see. That kind of money buys a heck of a lot of things that will absolutely destroy the Russians. Not to mention the ongoing aid that is increasing from the European states. The coming period will be very interesting to see.
QUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
QUOTE.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/04/24/congress-has-given-ukraine-a-reprieve-with-its-new-aid-package
America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve.
FilthyBeaver
04-27-24, 04:08
Russia has historically been willing to absorb tremendous casualties for political causes. What Mr Putin doesn't understand is this isn't history, this is today. The generation fighting are accustomed to the internet, free thought, and personal freedoms the previous generations (including his) were not. He's only in control because he has a very effective propaganda machine and still has enough following at the lower levels of local government to stiffel any amount of social disorder.
The aid will not end the war. The aid will slow the Russians down tremendously but the end will only come when the will of NATO to prop-up Ukraine fades or when Putin is gone. As an American I'm sad to say the issue has become more political than pragmatic and is being held hostage by a small number of legislators with very big mouths. The fact of the matter is at least 1/3 of the money we spend to support Ukraine is directly funding production of weapons in our massive defense industrial complex so it's basically going right back into our economy in the form of wages and taxes. There isn't an intelligent legislator that would fight that (unfortunately there are plenty of unintelligent legislators).
Having been all over Ukraine and seen the contrast between a very Ukrainian city like Lviv (where you never hear Russian being spoken) and a resort town like Odessa (where Russian is spoken out in the open everywhere, at least before the war). I think I can say they're just as stubborn as the Russians, have proven themselves resourceful and ingenious with what they have, and employ clever tactics. Add that to fact that they are fighting for their very existence I think they have a very good chance of ending this with their heads held high. At a minimum, Russia will never control Ukrainian territory. Partisans will run a gorilla war against them for decades with plenty of help from the CIA using its black budgets that don't get scrutinized like everything else that goes through congress. If Ukraine "looses" Russia will have created Afghanistan for themselves all over again which is sad because Putin was alive for that Russian nightmare and there will be a lot of young hot slavs that get killed which breaks my heart.
This is ISG after all.
QUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
QUOTE.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/04/24/congress-has-given-ukraine-a-reprieve-with-its-new-aid-package
America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve.
QUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
QUOTE.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/04/24/congress-has-given-ukraine-a-reprieve-with-its-new-aid-package
America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve."Temporary" is all Ukraine needs.
What the Economist and other intellectuals fail to understand is that Putin can't keep it up indefinitely. He's already spending over 40% of Russia's entire budget on waging his war of choice. America and the West have the money. He, on the other hand, will spend his way into oblivion.
QUOTE=JojosunQUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
QUOTE.
https://www.economist.comleaders /2024/04/24/ congress-has-given-ukraine-a-reprieve-with-its-new-aid-package.
America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve. QUOTE.
Let's hear what The War Analyst have to say?
'War analysts say Ukraine should treat the latest US aid package like it's the last one it'll get'.
https://africa.businessinsider.com/military-and-defense/war-analysts-say-ukraine-should-treat-the-latest-us-aid-package-like-its-the-last-one/t6bmrq2
Russia has historically been willing to absorb tremendous casualties for political causes. What Mr Putin doesn't understand is this isn't history, this is today. The generation fighting are accustomed to the internet, free thought, and personal freedoms the previous generations (including his) were not. He's only in control because he has a very effective propaganda machine and still has enough following at the lower levels of local government to stiffel any amount of social disorder.
The aid will not end the war. The aid will slow the Russians down tremendously but the end will only come when the will of NATO to prop-up Ukraine fades or when Putin is gone. As an American I'm sad to say the issue has become more political than pragmatic and is being held hostage by a small number of legislators with very big mouths. The fact of the matter is at least 1/3 of the money we spend to support Ukraine is directly funding production of weapons in our massive defense industrial complex so it's basically going right back into our economy in the form of wages and taxes. There isn't an intelligent legislator that would fight that (unfortunately there are plenty of unintelligent legislators).
Having been all over Ukraine and seen the contrast between a very Ukrainian city like Lviv (where you never hear Russian being spoken) and a resort town like Odessa (where Russian is spoken out in the open everywhere, at least before the war). I think I can say they're just as stubborn as the Russians, have proven themselves resourceful and ingenious with what they have, and employ clever tactics. Add that to fact that they are fighting for their very existence I think they have a very good chance of ending this with their heads held high. At a minimum, Russia will never control Ukrainian territory. Partisans will run a gorilla war against them for decades with plenty of help from the CIA using its black budgets that don't get scrutinized like everything else that goes through congress. If Ukraine "looses" Russia will have created Afghanistan for themselves all over again which is sad because Putin was alive for that Russian nightmare and there will be a lot of young hot slavs that get killed which breaks my heart.
This is ISG after all.Great analyses. I'd only argue that the Ukrainians are more stubborn than the Russians, maybe because unlike the Russians, they're defending their homeland. The Russians are forced into relentless waves of what they call "meat assaults" by their commanders, and the only reason they keep fighting is because they're scared of their own bosses more than they are of the Ukrainians (and for a good reason too).
Moscow's 'meat wave' tactic litters Ukraine battlefield with frozen corpses of Russian troops.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/moscows-meat-wave-tactic-litters-ukraine-battlefield-with-frozen-corpses-of-russian-troops/
'They're Just Choosing Where To Die. ' When Russia's Poorly-Trained Stormtroopers Retreat, Russian Barrier Troops Gun Them Down.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/18/theyre-just-choosing-where-to-die-when-russias-poorly-trained-stormtroopers-retreat-russian-barrier-troops-gun-them-down/?sh=1bf7852375a0
At some point though, sheepish as they are, Russian grunts will have enough and embark on slitting the throats of their officers and deserting en mass. That's how the Russian Civil War came around -- the one that claimed at least 10 million lives.
And mass desertions, by the way, have already started.
Russian Military Hit by Mass Desertions.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-troops-mobilization-desertion-problems-convictions-1881268
Let's wait and see. That kind of money buys a heck of a lot of things that will absolutely destroy the Russians. Not to mention the ongoing aid that is increasing from the European states. The coming period will be very interesting to see.What you and many others do not seem to understand that this isn't a funding issue. Ukraine doesn't have the manpower anymore. You can't print soldiers. Does that make sense to you or not?
Furthermore, the collective West doesn't have the weapons in stock in the quantity that Ukraine needs.
It's over.
And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
Western hegemony is gone.Exactly. It will only postpone the inevitable, which is a Russian victory. But by postponing the inevitable, the collective west is just going to send tens of thousands of Ukrainian men (and women) to their graves. But anyone with a brain knows that the collective west doesn't give a shit about Ukrainians dying. Until the last Ukrainian, right? Disgusting. Make peace now you fools!
So the first part (resumption of the US military aid) has almost come true, much earlier than I anticipated.
And the last 6 months have proved that Ukraine can stand on its own even with Russia's artillery advantage of 6-10 to 1, denying the aggressor any significant gains and making them pay in tens of thousands of dead and crippled Russian solders for every village and township they've managed to "conquer" so far.
In the meantime, Ukraine keeps destroying the Russian Navy and hitting military targets and fuel refineries deep inside Russia reducing aggressor's economic means needed to finance the war.
The age of empires is gone.So tell me, has Ukraine retaken Crimea? Did they reach to the sea of Azov after taking Robotnye during their FAILED counter offensive last year? Was the land bridge severed? You are delusional. But reality will soon catch up with you mate. And then you'll just make excuses.
FilthyBeaver
05-03-24, 00:17
Ukrainians fighting for these existence is definitely a huge plus for them. We need to be clear though. Ethnic "Russians" aren't dying enmass (unless you want to talk about the prisoners they let out to be cannon fodder). It's the tartars and other poor central Asian "Russians" that are being ground into meat. If they were plucking kids from Moscow or St Petersburg and sending them to the front, even Putin wouldn't survive the backlash.
Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.
Great analyses. I'd only argue that the Ukrainians are more stubborn than the Russians, maybe because unlike the Russians, they're defending their homeland. The Russians are forced into relentless waves of what they call "meat assaults" by their commanders, and the only reason they keep fighting is because they're scared of their own bosses more than they are of the Ukrainians (and for a good reason too).
Moscow's 'meat wave' tactic litters Ukraine battlefield with frozen corpses of Russian troops.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/moscows-meat-wave-tactic-litters-ukraine-battlefield-with-frozen-corpses-of-russian-troops/
'They're Just Choosing Where To Die. ' When Russia's Poorly-Trained Stormtroopers Retreat, Russian Barrier Troops Gun Them Down.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/18/theyre-just-choosing-where-to-die-when-russias-poorly-trained-stormtroopers-retreat-russian-barrier-troops-gun-them-down/?sh=1bf7852375a0
At some point though, sheepish as they are, Russian grunts will have enough and embark on slitting the throats of their officers and deserting en mass. That's how the Russian Civil War came around -- the one that claimed at least 10 million lives.
And mass desertions, by the way, have already started.
Russian Military Hit by Mass Desertions.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-troops-mobilization-desertion-problems-convictions-1881268
So tell me, has Ukraine retaken Crimea? Did they reach to the sea of Azov after taking Robotnye during their FAILED counter offensive last year? Was the land bridge severed? You are delusional. But reality will soon catch up with you mate. And then you'll just make excuses.You're a funny guy. It's as if Dr. Goebbels asked on the radio in the winter of 1942:
- So has Russia taken back Kyiv?
- Have they broken the siege of Leningrad?
- Have they retaken Crimea?
But oh my, what a difference a couple of years can make!
So like you said, reality will soon catch up with you, and it won't be pretty.
The Evil Empire is doomed this time, and the Ukrainians are the straw that will have broken the camel's back.
Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.That's like comparing apples and oranges. Ukraine isn't Afghanistan, to compare the 2 scenarios is ridiculous. No doubt the collective west will sponsor an insurgency, but Ukraine is never getting Crimea or the 4 new territories back, ever.
Ukrainians fighting for these existence is definitely a huge plus for them. We need to be clear though. Ethnic "Russians" aren't dying enmass (unless you want to talk about the prisoners they let out to be cannon fodder). It's the tartars and other poor central Asian "Russians" that are being ground into meat. If they were plucking kids from Moscow or St Petersburg and sending them to the front, even Putin wouldn't survive the backlash.
Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.You're right that Putin's henchmen are trying to avoid drafting too many Moscovites, but the Russians from other regions (including ethnic Russians) do a lot of dying still. Every regional head has their quotas, and they don't have a 'luxury' to draft 'non-Russians" only. The only Putin's ally who doesn't have to pull his weight in terms of the quotas is Chechnya's Kadyrov due to his special relationship with the boss.
Also, I must say I'm a little more optimistic. I don't think Putin has a chance to make such substantial territorial gains that the gorilla war will become the only option for resistance. He's bound to run out of time and man power despite the propaganda and poker face.
You're a funny guy. It's as if Dr. Goebbels asked on the radio in the winter of 1942:
- So has Russia taken back Kyiv?
- Have they broken the siege of Leningrad?
- Have they retaken Crimea?
But oh my, what a difference a couple of years can make!
So like you said, reality will soon catch up with you, and it won't be pretty.
The Evil Empire is doomed this time, and the Ukrainians are the straw that will have broken the camel's back.Good luck.
DramaFree11
05-03-24, 23:01
Good luck.BloodResd, XMan lives in a fantasy world, do not pay attention to him. I honestly think he believes war is a Video Game, and you can just re-set when you are losing.
Ukraine was played by the west and the Euros, what a waste.
Ukraine never had a chance, they could have gotten decent deal at the beginning, but they choose to push there luck. Now they will end up with almost nothing, and if they do not surrender quickly the will lose everything. Those that are crazy enough to believe Ukraine will be able to continue with a guerrilla war are in.
In complete denial.
FilthyBeaver
05-04-24, 15:15
Nobody is going to change anyone's mind but are you guys not aware of history? Our Vietnam, their Afghanistan. Far superior forces lost a war of attrition to a much less powerful force over the course of a decade. Russia went in to support a soviet friendly government that was largely unpopular, the only difference between then and now is the the Ukrainians already threw out the Russian friendly government. Guess what happens in about 10 years from now? Putin will be dead, do you think the next guy wants this headache, that he didn't start? I believe putin was driving a cab around the time the afghan war was winding down so maybe he didn't have the time to grab a newspaper and learn something. Then again the info was all state controlled so maybe I can't blame him for being ignorant here.
I generally agree that it will be very difficult if not impossible for Ukraine to get any of the seized land back and I doubt very seriously that it can be done militarily but it is absolutely possible politically. As Ukrainian special forces establish guerilla tactics on land, the Russians will get tired of dying over time. They have already, very successfully, rendered the black sea fleet useless. Why couldn't they do the same on the ground? When you're fighting for your very existence you can do a lot more than the side that has no idea why it's there. The CIA thrives in proping up local governments in situations like this. The Ukrainians will get all they need to make Russians in the occupied territory miserable for as long as they want.
BloodResd, XMan lives in a fantasy world, do not pay attention to him. I honestly think he believes war is a Video Game, and you can just re-set when you are losing.
Ukraine was played by the west and the Euros, what a waste.
Ukraine never had a chance, they could have gotten decent deal at the beginning, but they choose to push there luck. Now they will end up with almost nothing, and if they do not surrender quickly the will lose everything. Those that are crazy enough to believe Ukraine will be able to continue with a guerrilla war are in.
In complete denial.
DramaFree11
05-04-24, 18:14
Nobody is going to change anyone's mind but are you guys not aware of history? Our Vietnam, their Afghanistan. Far superior forces lost a war of attrition to a much less powerful force over the course of a decade. Russia went in to support a soviet friendly government that was largely unpopular, the only difference between then and now is the the Ukrainians already threw out the Russian friendly government. Guess what happens in about 10 years from now? Putin will be dead, do you think the next guy wants this headache, that he didn't start? I believe putin was driving a cab around the time the afghan war was winding down so maybe he didn't have the time to grab a newspaper and learn something. Then again the info was all state controlled so maybe I can't blame him for being ignorant here.
I generally agree that it will be very difficult if not impossible for Ukraine to get any of the seized land back and I doubt very seriously that it can be done militarily but it is absolutely possible politically. As Ukrainian special forces establish guerilla tactics on land, the Russians will get tired of dying over time. They have already, very successfully, rendered the black sea fleet useless. Why couldn't they do the same on the ground? When you're fighting for your very existence you can do a lot more than the side that has no idea why it's there. The CIA thrives in proping up local governments in situations like this. The Ukrainians will get all they need to make Russians in the occupied territory miserable for as long as they want.The CIA and MI6 has failed miserably in Ukraine. The country is slowly being destroyed and taken over.
Any Guerrilla warfare will result in more death and destruction. Russia will not pay games with Ukraine, they will just take more lives and territory.
The current occupant of the Ukrainian presidency has been just added to the Wanted list by the Interior Ministry of the RF together with the former occupant and a bunch of others. Just a reminder, the present term of the presidency and all Rada are going to expire on May 21,2024 absent the elections.
It has been reported, true to the fact, that clowns and pole sportsmen (your striptease dancers) can dodge the newly Ukrainian draft as essential workers.
Nobody is going to change anyone's mind but are you guys not aware of history? Our Vietnam, their Afghanistan. Far superior forces lost a war of attrition to a much less powerful force over the course of a decade. Russia went in to support a soviet friendly government that was largely unpopular, the only difference between then and now is the the Ukrainians already threw out the Russian friendly government. Guess what happens in about 10 years from now? Putin will be dead, do you think the next guy wants this headache, that he didn't start? I believe putin was driving a cab around the time the afghan war was winding down so maybe he didn't have the time to grab a newspaper and learn something. Then again the info was all state controlled so maybe I can't blame him for being ignorant here.
I generally agree that it will be very difficult if not impossible for Ukraine to get any of the seized land back and I doubt very seriously that it can be done militarily but it is absolutely possible politically. As Ukrainian special forces establish guerilla tactics on land, the Russians will get tired of dying over time. They have already, very successfully, rendered the black sea fleet useless. Why couldn't they do the same on the ground? When you're fighting for your very existence you can do a lot more than the side that has no idea why it's there. The CIA thrives in proping up local governments in situations like this. The Ukrainians will get all they need to make Russians in the occupied territory miserable for as long as they want.Afghanistan and Eastern Ukraine are like I said apples and oranges. You also are ignoring the fact that Putin does NOT want to conquer all of Ukraine, despite what the pathetic main stream western media tells you. He is only interested in what is east of the Dniper + Odessa, all the territories that are historically Russian and have large numbers of ethnic speaking Russians. Now if he tried to conquer western Ukraine like Lviv, then I agree with you, he will face a fierce resistance. But he has no desire to cross the Dniper at this point other than to take Odessa.
BloodResd, XMan lives in a fantasy world, do not pay attention to him. I honestly think he believes war is a Video Game, and you can just re-set when you are losing.
Ukraine was played by the west and the Euros, what a waste.
Ukraine never had a chance, they could have gotten decent deal at the beginning, but they choose to push there luck. Now they will end up with almost nothing, and if they do not surrender quickly the will lose everything. Those that are crazy enough to believe Ukraine will be able to continue with a guerrilla war are in.
In complete denial.What I find astonishing that a lot of Pro Ukrainian folks still don't get some very basic things:
The collective west is interested in PUNISHING and hurting Russia, NOT in helping Ukraine win. Hell, Lloyd Austin said this in 2022, that America wanted to weaken Russia, he said nothing about Ukraine winning.
This is about feeding the military industrial complex using Ukrainians as cannon fodder. The western leaders have said so many times, shamelessly, that is is Ukrainians dying, not their people. These people are sick.
Ukraine CANNOT win this. They are out of manpower. The collective west doesn't have the weapons in the quantity that Ukraine needs, nor can they produce them in the amount that Ukraine needs. The longer this goes on, the more territory Ukraine will lose, and another generation of men will die for nothing. For Gods sake, talk peace for once.
Ukraine CANNOT win this. They are out of manpower.Excellent post. I see a lot of fresh Ukrainian men in my US city and it is sad to know sick bastards in the West are scheming how to get this fresh meat back to the motherland.
FilthyBeaver
05-05-24, 18:57
So his stated goal of removing nazis and being laughed out of bucha in the first few months were a dream of mine? I'm not pro anything, I'm looking at facts and correcting ignorance. How are removing the "nazi regime" and proping up a pro soviet government in Kabul different?
I can't wait to hear this answer.
He's only interested in what he's interested in now because his army turned out to be a paper tiger and he can only hope to hold these areas as he hasn't a prayer of taking the rest.
One of the things that came with my erectile dysfunction is age, experience, and living though a significant amount of history. Pick almost any conflict in history that ended in a war of attrition and I'll show you an aggressor that lost. If you don't understand this I can't help you.
Afghanistan and Eastern Ukraine are like I said apples and oranges. You also are ignoring the fact that Putin does NOT want to conquer all of Ukraine, despite what the pathetic main stream western media tells you. He is only interested in what is east of the Dniper + Odessa, all the territories that are historically Russian and have large numbers of ethnic speaking Russians. Now if he tried to conquer western Ukraine like Lviv, then I agree with you, he will face a fierce resistance. But he has no desire to cross the Dniper at this point other than to take Odessa.
FilthyBeaver
05-05-24, 19:21
It takes 2-3 years for intelligence services to do their own various assessments before they start funneling actionable tactical support. Up to now it's only been strategic. Give it another 6-12 months.
The CIA and MI6 has failed miserably in Ukraine. The country is slowly being destroyed and taken over.
Any Guerrilla warfare will result in more death and destruction. Russia will not pay games with Ukraine, they will just take more lives and territory.
AntonySun1996
05-05-24, 22:42
Ukraine just can't win this war. It's running out of manpower. Just look at Ukraine's demographic chart. There are pretty much no military age men left. The US can throw as much billions of military aid they want, but the Abrahams and F16's aren't going to drive themselves. It will just prolong the pain and suffering before the inevitable defeat.
Ukraine should have taken the deal in 2022.
DramaFree11
05-06-24, 00:34
It takes 2-3 years for intelligence services to do their own various assessments before they start funneling actionable tactical support. Up to now it's only been strategic. Give it another 6-12 months.Wow! You are smoking the same crap XMan is smoking. The CIA and the MI6 have been causing problems in Ukraine for over 10 years now, probably longer. You guys are in serious denial, this is part of the reason for the war.
FilthyBeaver
05-06-24, 15:32
If you think foreign intelligence isn't involved in decapitating the black sea fleet you are badly mistaken. We won't know the whole story until 20-30 years after it's all over. A la hardy boys, air America, wind talkers, etc. Unfortunately I won't be around then. Give me an example of how the intelligence services are "causing problems. " No generalities, a real problem.
Wow! You are smoking the same crap XMan is smoking. The CIA and the MI6 have been causing problems in Ukraine for over 10 years now, probably longer. You guys are in serious denial, this is part of the reason for the war.
AntonySun1996
05-07-24, 04:05
Give me an example of how the intelligence services are "causing problems. " Want examples? Just randomly throw a tart onto a world map.
Euromaidan and the whole series of subsequent dramas are the masterpiece of the Victoria Nuland gang and CIA's work. After ruining Ukraine they wanted to copypaste it in Hong Kong in 2019 and Belarus in 2020, but failed miserably.
And then those warpigs in Washington lecture you how Russia and China are aggressors.
So his stated goal of removing nazis and being laughed out of bucha in the first few months were a dream of mine? I'm not pro anything, I'm looking at facts and correcting ignorance. How are removing the "nazi regime" and proping up a pro soviet government in Kabul different?
I can't wait to hear this answer.
He's only interested in what he's interested in now because his army turned out to be a paper tiger and he can only hope to hold these areas as he hasn't a prayer of taking the rest.
One of the things that came with my erectile dysfunction is age, experience, and living though a significant amount of history. Pick almost any conflict in history that ended in a war of attrition and I'll show you an aggressor that lost. If you don't understand this I can't help you.You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, I just want to state that I really do not have a horse in this race. I'm neither Russian or Ukrainian. I am commenting purely from a neutral perspective, after getting fully aware of the facts because the western mainstream media is pure evil that just lies.
The reasons for launching the SMO were:
1. To force neutrality from Ukraine and it never joining NATO, which is an existential threat for Russia. Almost worked, the Ukrainians were ready to accept neutrality and say no to NATO in Istanbul 2022 until the collective west (Boris Johnson sabotaged it).
2. Denazification.
3. Demilitrization.
4. Guarantees for the safety and autonomy to the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine, and in particular in the Donbas.
So the above are the main reasons for the SMO. I hope you see how this scenario is different from Afghanistan in 1979, which was indeed a mistake and the Russians had no business being there and they paid a price with their defeat, just like the Americans did almost 22 years later.
If his army is a paper tiger, then why did the NATO backed and armed Ukrainian army fail miserably in the counter offensive in 2023? They only took 1 village, think about it, and lost tens of thousands of NATO trained men and billions of dollars of equipment.
We will see how much more territory the Russians take. The longer this goes on, the more territory the Ukrainians will lose and the more Ukrainian men will die needlessly and the worse deal they will get. There are clear signs of a potntial Ukrainian collapse on the frontline in the coming weeks and months.
I have nothing against Ukraine or Ukrainians. As a matter of fact, I have met some very decent and kind Ukrainians, men and women. My GP in Sydney is a Ukrainian, an amazing man. I'm neutral in this. I'm calling for a ceasefire to stop the killing and this madness. This war should NEVER have happened. I blame the collective west for taking Ukraine down the primrose path with false promises of joining NATO and the EU, only and only to make Russia bleed. These people are pure evil (The collective west), may God punish them one day. God bless the Ukrainian people.
CEASEFIRE NOW!
Ukraine should have taken the deal in 2022.They were about to until that awful Boris Johnson flew to Kiev, told Zelensky to say no to any deal and that NATO and the west will back Ukraine to the very end. And fast forward to today.
May these warmongers in the collective west rot in eternal hell for taking Ukraine down the primrose path just to feed their greed (military industrial complex) and to make Russia bleed. Sure, Russia is hurting but Ukraine will cease to exist and has had entire generations wiped out and is wrecked.
FilthyBeaver
05-07-24, 15:27
Name one entity NATO has attacked without provocation since the history of its existence. Why is every former eastern bloc country now a part of NATO except for Belarus? The existential argument is complete nonsense.
This is all because one tiny man with a very large ego can't appetite the fact that his way of rule (note I did not use the word governance) has been rejected by the entirety of the free world. What exactly are his justifications for attacking Georgia?
We're not going to change each other's minds so I'll end with this. If you come to my house and try to take it without giving me compensation that I alone agree to, one of us is going to die. If you already have a house hundreds or thousands of miles away, filled with kids, wife, girlfriend, whatever, you don't personally want my house and want to go home ASAP. You can't win, you don't want to win, you don't care. There will be plenty of give and take, but you will lose the war of attrition. People have never accepted subjugation throughout history and it's not going to start now. It's not going to happen tomorrow or next month but Russia will lose.
You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, I just want to state that I really do not have a horse in this race. I'm neither Russian or Ukrainian. I am commenting purely from a neutral perspective, after getting fully aware of the facts because the western mainstream media is pure evil that just lies.
The reasons for launching the SMO were:
1. To force neutrality from Ukraine and it never joining NATO, which is an existential threat for Russia. Almost worked, the Ukrainians were ready to accept neutrality and say no to NATO in Istanbul 2022 until the collective west (Boris Johnson sabotaged it).
2. Denazification.
3. Demilitrization.
4. Guarantees for the safety and autonomy to the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine, and in particular in the Donbas.
So the above are the main reasons for the SMO. I hope you see how this scenario is different from Afghanistan in 1979, which was indeed a mistake and the Russians had no business being there and they paid a price with their defeat, just like the Americans did almost 22 years later.
If his army is a paper tiger, then why did the NATO backed and armed Ukrainian army fail miserably in the counter offensive in 2023? They only took 1 village, think about it, and lost tens of thousands of NATO trained men and billions of dollars of equipment.
John Clayton
05-07-24, 15:41
You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, ... may God punish them one day. God bless the Ukrainian people.
CEASEFIRE NOW!A russian disniformation troll. What I would like to know is how much this guy is paid? How is he paid? Does he work in some building with more of his kind? Does he enjoy his work?
Name one entity NATO has attacked without provocation since the history of its existence. Ummm. Libya?
Why is every former eastern bloc country now a part of NATO except for Belarus? The existential argument is complete nonsense.
This is all because one tiny man with a very large ego can't appetite the fact that his way of rule (note I did not use the word governance) has been rejected by the entirety of the free world. What exactly are his justifications for attacking Georgia?Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO were Russian red lines, this was clearly stated at Bucharest in 2008 by Putin.
but you will lose the war of attrition. People have never accepted subjugation throughout history and it's not going to start now. It's not going to happen tomorrow or next month but Russia will lose.You live in lala land. And I don't think you understand what a war of attrition means. Russia is conducting a war of attrition which is why it's winning. What matters in a war of attrition?
Artillery.
Manpower.
Russia has a huge advantage in both, this is why Ukraine is losing and will lose.
A russian disniformation troll. What I would like to know is how much this guy is paid? How is he paid? Does he work in some building with more of his kind? Does he enjoy his work?You have no argument. Walk on home, boy.
Reiner Otto
05-07-24, 18:20
1. To force neutrality from Ukraine and it never joining NATO, which is an existential threat for Russia. Almost worked, the Ukrainians were ready to accept neutrality and say no to NATO in Istanbul 2022 until the collective west (Boris Johnson sabotaged it).
What a joke.
There were talks, yes, and unacceptable demands from Russian side: I. E. Only 85.000 Ukrainian soldiers to be kept (De-militarization). To make it easier for Putler, to invade later on.
Not to forget, that Putler already broke the non-agression agreement against UA, from Budapest 1994.
Unfortunately, at that time UA trusted Russia, and gave up their nuclear weapons, last not least because of this non-agression agreement.
The talks of Istanbul also mentioned security guarantees, from Western Countries, and Russia. How to fulfill? Western countries do not and did not want to take direct action against Russia in case of aggression.
Putin Propagandist Panics Over Ukraine Receiving Long-Range US Missiles
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-propagandist-panics-over-ukraine-receiving-long-range-us-missiles-1894422
Panic is about right. All Russian assets are on the highest alert now, from professional ex-Olgino trolls to paid propagandists and useful idiots in the West. You can gauge the level of their desperation by the fact that they're willing to pay for trolling a mongering forum once again, LOL.
By the way, for those who're really interested in specifics of Russia's information wars, here is an excellent new paper. Highly recommended!
A multilingual analysis of pro Russian misinformation on Twitter during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-60653-y
No doubt, we're going to see more cool poker faces and prophecies of Ukraine's demise as the Evil Empire is racing toward the cliffs.
John Clayton
05-08-24, 04:07
You have no argument. Walk on home, boy.I'm simply curious about how you are compensated. If there's enough money to be had, I would like to get in on it. I know you are required to maintain the official line in this forum, so you can private message me the details of payment.
Well, saying 'Hello' to the current commander-in-chief of the AFU's adopted son residing in Australia.
'Nigel Casey was warned that any UK military facilities and equipment on Ukrainian territory and beyond could be hit as a response to Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory with British weapons. '.
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1948389/
And.
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1948486/
Guess what, tactical munitions are not part of the doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons.
Reiner Otto
05-08-24, 06:43
Here is a neutral (Swiss) explanation regarding the unacceptable Russian conditions for peace during beginning of war.
https://www.nzz.ch/international/wie-russland-und-ukraine-eine-chance-verpassten-den-krieg-zu-beenden-ld.1827138
To argue against your (unverified) Russian point of view, peace had been possible already for 2 years.
Elvis 2008
05-08-24, 07:10
I'm simply curious about how you are compensated. If there's enough money to be had, I would like to get in on it. I know you are required to maintain the official line in this forum, so you can private message me the details of payment.And how many Covid boosters did you get JC? Hmm.
Seeing as how your powers of prediction are so amazing, JC, where are we at in two years with this war? And by the way, is this the last of the money we need to give Ukraine? What will get for it and how much more will they need?
I'm simply curious about how you are compensated. If there's enough money to be had, I would like to get in on it. I know you are required to maintain the official line in this forum, so you can private message me the details of payment.As I said, you have no argument, you cannot debate me. Run along now.
And how many Covid boosters did you get JC? Hmm.
Seeing as how your powers of prediction are so amazing, JC, where are we at in two years with this war? And by the way, is this the last of the money we need to give Ukraine? What will get for it and how much more will they need?Elensky already mentioned a minimum 10 year plan. Each year will require tens of billions of dollars. Another forever war while Ukraine gets wrecked.
Elensky already mentioned a minimum 10 year plan. Each year will require tens of billions of dollars. Another forever war while Ukraine gets wrecked.1. There is no 10 year plan. The reparations and rebuilding of Ukraine after the war will be paid for by Russia.
2. 90% of the US military help to Ukraine is spent in the US, not Ukraine.
3. There isn't a number that's too high to stop your wannabe Fuhrer.
1. There is no 10 year plan. The reparations and rebuilding of Ukraine after the war will be paid for by Russia.
2. 90% of the US military help to Ukraine is spent in the US, not Ukraine.
3. There isn't a number that's too high to stop your wannabe Fuhrer.So how much more of Ukraine do you want to get wrecked? How much more territory do you want the Russians to take and annex before you call for a ceasefire? Fact of the matter is that no one will keep funding this needless war that Ukraine cannot win. The collective west will force Ukraine to make peace on Russia's term most likely after the you. S elections, unless the AFU collapses before that which is possible.
DramaFree11
05-14-24, 19:56
So how much more of Ukraine do you want to get wrecked? How much more territory do you want the Russians to take and annex before you call for a ceasefire? Fact of the matter is that no one will keep funding this needless war that Ukraine cannot win. The collective west will force Ukraine to make peace on Russia's term most likely after the you. S elections, unless the AFU collapses before that which is possible.RedBlooded, XMan and his crazy liberal friends do not care, they want this war to continue no matter what the cost is. We should have been negotiating from the beginning, instead Nato / Ukraine pushed their luck, now both are being destroyed As a Result countless numbers of Ukraine's and Russian are being killed. Parts of Europe are in a Recession and Americas Economy is in horrible shape, NATO is a complete joke. What a waist.
The Liberals still think they can stop Russia, just send more money to one or most corrupt countries in the world with zero oversight.
John Clayton
05-14-24, 20:05
...Fact of the matter is that no one will keep funding this needless war that Ukraine cannot win...More pure Russian propaganda. It shows how vulnerable relatively open democratic institutions (e. g. , this forum) are to the lies and propaganda of a totalitarian government.
An interview with the first hand information from someone 'v teme' (mostly used in Ukraine this Russian expression stands for an insider with deeper information on a specific topic):
https://eng.belta.by/society/view/how-ukraines-security-agencies-prepared-dirty-bomb-and-what-radon-corporation-has-to-do-with-it-158244-2024/
https://eng.belta.by/society/view/how-us-security-agencies-used-ukrainian-saboteurs-to-cover-up-explosions-at-nord-streams-158243-2024/
https://eng.belta.by/society/view/how-biden-familys-partners-sponsored-ukrainian-terrorism-via-burisma-company-158241-2024/
A tip: if you ever face a choice of a marriage to a Russian girl (a toss), a Ukrainian (pass) or a Belorussian (grasp) choose a girl from Belarus.
DramaFree11
05-15-24, 04:30
More pure Russian propaganda. It shows how vulnerable relatively open democratic institutions (e. g. , this forum) are to the lies and propaganda of a totalitarian government.More denial from you and liberal friends. Maybe negotiate instead of sending more money to a country that is on the verge of collapsing and corrupt. There are no more men or women to send to the front. Over 500,000 are dead now, but why stop now.
So how much more of Ukraine do you want to get wrecked? How much more territory do you want the Russians to take and annex before you call for a ceasefire? Fact of the matter is that no one will keep funding this needless war that Ukraine cannot win. The collective west will force Ukraine to make peace on Russia's term most likely after the you. S elections, unless the AFU collapses before that which is possible.You know what else is possible?
Killing dozens of your own civilians with your own missiles.
Why do you fellas keep killing Russians? Can't help yourselves?
Russian missile causes collapse of Belgorod building OSINT analysts.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-missile-causes-collapse-belgorod-151000232.html#text.
More pure Russian propaganda. It shows how vulnerable relatively open democratic institutions (e. g. , this forum) are to the lies and propaganda of a totalitarian government.I don't know. I think, they're quite transparent, aren't they? I mean you can easily tell who the shills are.
More pure Russian propaganda. It shows how vulnerable relatively open democratic institutions (e. g. , this forum) are to the lies and propaganda of a totalitarian government.So if you believe Ukraine can win, tell me this: what does a Ukraine victory look like in your view? What defines Ukraine winning?
The Liberals still think they can stop Russia, just send more money to one or most corrupt countries in the world with zero oversight.This will stop too eventually, question is when, it can't go on forever. Everyone can see the corruption in Ukraine. How about those defenses in Kharkov? The Russians just walked in. That's a bloody disgrace for Ukraine.
You know what else is possible?
Killing dozens of your own civilians with your own missiles.
Why do you fellas keep killing Russians? Can't help yourselves?
Russian missile causes collapse of Belgorod building OSINT analysts.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-missile-causes-collapse-belgorod-151000232.html#text.I stopped reading when I read "OSINT analysts".
More denial from you and liberal friends. Maybe negotiate instead of sending more money to a country that is on the verge of collapsing and corrupt. There are no more men or women to send to the front. Over 500,000 are dead now, but why stop now.Yeah, why stop now indeed! There are still teenagers to send to the frontline to get killed. I'm sure there are some elderly too.
Until the last Ukrainian. What a horrific, needless tragedy. NATO and the warmongers in the collective west are PURE EVIL.
DramaFree11
05-15-24, 15:57
Yeah, why stop now indeed! There are still teenagers to send to the frontline to get killed. I'm sure there are some elderly too.
Until the last Ukrainian. What a horrific, needless tragedy. NATO and the warmongers in the collective west are PURE EVIL.We forgot to mention Ukraine has been sending girls to the front for several months now, probably longer. The media and the left conveniently forgets to report this.
John Clayton
05-15-24, 16:20
So if you believe Ukraine can win, tell me this: what does a Ukraine victory look like in your view? What defines Ukraine winning?There is no "victory" for the tens of thousands of Ukrainians who have been killed, wounded, mutilated or tortured in this war. A partial justice would be if Russia withdrew to the internationally recognized borders, to which it is a guarantor, detained all persons accused of war crimes or waging a war of aggression and remanded them to the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and began to pay reparations to Ukraine for damaged caused by its illegal actions.
However, in the short term, I believe that the Crimean peninsula is strategically untenable. I hope and expect that with the arrival of F-16's and longer range munitions, Ukraine will finally be able to advance through Melitopol and sever the land bridge to Russia, forcing the evacuation and surrender of Crimea. I wish that this disaster would cause the removal of Putin and the governing hierarchy, the end of government information control in the Russian Federation, and the normalization of relationships between the West and Russia.
There is no "victory" for the tens of thousands of Ukrainians who have been killed, wounded, mutilated or tortured in this war. A partial justice would be if Russia withdrew to the internationally recognized borders, to which it is a guarantor, detained all persons accused of war crimes or waging a war of aggression and remanded them to the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and began to pay reparations to Ukraine for damaged caused by its illegal actions.Well, if that is your definition of what victory looks like, I'm afraid NONE of that is ever going to happen. The 4 new territories + Crimea are gone forever. The longer this goes on, the more territory Ukraine will lose.
However, in the short term, I believe that the Crimean peninsula is strategically untenable. I hope and expect that with the arrival of F-16's and longer range munitions, Ukraine will finally be able to advance through Melitopol and sever the land bridge to Russia, forcing the evacuation and surrender of Crimea.You are seriously on drugs or just delusional. Or you have ZERO knowledge of military matters. Last year, when the much hyped Ukranian counter offenseive started, that was Ukraine's BEST CHANCE to make any impact on the outcome of the war, it was their last roll of the dice. At that time, Ukraine had NATO trained fresh brigades, a ton of western weapons worth billions of dollars. And what was the outcome of the counter offensive? They succeeded in taking Robotyne, a tiny village. They didn't even reach Tokmak! And you think now Ukraine will reach Melitopol and severe the land bridge and threaten Crimea? You live in lala land. The F16's won't make any difference, just like the ATACMS didn't, just like HIMARS didn't, just like storm shadow / scalp / Abrams / Leopards didn't. They will all burn.
I wish that this disaster would cause the removal of Putin and the governing hierarchy, the end of government information control in the Russian Federation, and the normalization of relationships between the West and Russia.I'm afraid none of your wishes are going to come true. But you can continue to wish and dream. The reality is quickly unfolding before your eyes in Donetsk and Kharkov.
DramaFree11
05-15-24, 18:12
There is no "victory" for the tens of thousands of Ukrainians who have been killed, wounded, mutilated or tortured in this war. A partial justice would be if Russia withdrew to the internationally recognized borders, to which it is a guarantor, detained all persons accused of war crimes or waging a war of aggression and remanded them to the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and began to pay reparations to Ukraine for damaged caused by its illegal actions.
However, in the short term, I believe that the Crimean peninsula is strategically untenable. I hope and expect that with the arrival of F-16's and longer range munitions, Ukraine will finally be able to advance through Melitopol and sever the land bridge to Russia, forcing the evacuation and surrender of Crimea. I wish that this disaster would cause the removal of Putin and the governing hierarchy, the end of government information control in the Russian Federation, and the normalization of relationships between the West and Russia.JC you and Xman are smoking the same crap. The war is over, it has been over for several months, the only thing that would save Ukraine if the states and NATO decided to send 100,000's of troops. NATO has nothing to send and the states are not prepared for war with Russia. Not to mention we are running low on weapons and ammunition, we have given way too much to a lost cause. Counter to what the media says Russia Army is well equipped and seasoned fighters now, we would probably get our ass kicked.
The liberals, America and the Euros created this disaster, the only way to save Ukraine is to surrender, before there is nothing left. You guys really screwed up this time, no plane, weapon or large some of money will change anything. Russia continues to get stronger while the west and the Euros get weaker.
John Clayton
05-15-24, 21:46
... I'm afraid NONE of that is ever going to happen. The 4 new territories + Crimea are gone forever...Russia can not supply Crimea. They will soon be gone -- wait for it.
Russia can not supply Crimea. They will soon be gone -- wait for it.You have no idea what you are talking about. Let me educate you.
Even before the Kerch bridge was constructed, Russia could supply Crimea via air and ferry route. Plus, now there is a land bridge from the new territories to Crimea, a rail link recently completed.
JC you and Xman are smoking the same crap. The war is over, it has been over for several months, the only thing that would save Ukraine if the states and NATO decided to send 100,000's of troops. NATO has nothing to send and the states are not prepared for war with Russia. Not to mention we are running low on weapons and ammunition, we have given way too much to a lost cause. Counter to what the media says Russia Army is well equipped and seasoned fighters now, we would probably get our ass kicked.
The liberals, America and the Euros created this disaster, the only way to save Ukraine is to surrender, before there is nothing left. You guys really screwed up this time, no plane, weapon or large some of money will change anything. Russia continues to get stronger while the west and the Euros get weaker.The war ended after Ukraine's last throw of the dice, the much hyped counter offensive launched in 2023 FAILED miserably. They managed to take Robatino only, can you imagine? And Russia recaptured it today. Unbelievable.
These people still do not understand that it isn't about money or ammunition. This is about MANPOWER now. Ukraine is out of manpower. You cannot print soldiers.
NATO is not going to get involved. These people don't want to help Ukraine win, they want to make Russia bleed / weak. Llyod Austin openly said this back in 2022! The sooner Ukraine realizes this, the better off they will be. The warmongers in the collective west took Ukraine down the primrose path. These people are pure evil.
Reiner Otto
05-16-24, 06:42
These people still do not understand that it isn't about money or ammunition. This is about MANPOWER now. Ukraine is out of manpower. You cannot print soldiers.
NATO is not going to get involved. These people don't want to help Ukraine win, they want to make Russia bleed / weak. Unfortunately, the facts prove, what you write. Western countries simply dragged out serious support of UA, which believed the Wests cheap words. Unfortunately.
I only remind the 5000 helmets, Germany sent as "First Aid" after the war started, or the long discussions regarding Leopard tanks, or the long delays of fresh US money. Not to mention the failed promise of 1 Mio artillery shells. I am not a big fan of the US, but as a German engineer, I know, that the Americans can be VERY FAST to build up industrial facilities.
In case they really want. Production of shells is not too complicated a process.
The West simply cheated UA. To break up UA, part to the West (Poland?) part to Putler?
Unfortunately, the facts prove, what you write. Western countries simply dragged out serious support of UA, which believed the Wests cheap words. Unfortunately.
I only remind the 5000 helmets, Germany sent as "First Aid" after the war started, or the long discussions regarding Leopard tanks, or the long delays of fresh US money. Not to mention the failed promise of 1 Mio artillery shells. I am not a big fan of the US, but as a German engineer, I know, that the Americans can be VERY FAST to build up industrial facilities.
In case they really want. Production of shells is not too complicated a process.
The West simply cheated UA. To break up UA, part to the West (Poland?) part to Putler?And Ukraine still is believing the collective wests bullshit words it seems. Or who knows, I don't know what the ordinary Ukrainian thinks. The corrupt Kiev regime will want this to go on as long as possible so they can keep bagging billions, they don't seem to care that the country is getting depopulated and wrecked.
And like you said, they hesitated and delayed sending what Ukraine really needed to have made a difference. They took Ukraine down the primrose path. The goal was to make Russia weak and to make it bleed, NOT to make Ukraine win. I wish Ukrainian supporters would admit that. Now they are dangling the carrot of Ukraine joining NATO one day. Write this down: Ukraine will NEVER join NATO. They know this but are still giving this false hope to the poor Ukrainians. Pure evil like I said. And yes, Ukraine will be divided.
Everything East of the Dniper plus Odessa will be Russia most likely. What is left will be a dysfunctional rump state unviable to ever join the EU and will never join NATO as I said. Who knows, the Poles, Hungarians may swallow up some territory as well. Zelensky if he succeeds in running away like Ghani did in Afghanistan will be living overseas in one of his mansions. That man is a curse for Ukraine, history will judge him very harshly.
Unfortunately, the facts prove, what you write. Western countries simply dragged out serious support of UA, which believed the Wests cheap words. Unfortunately.
I only remind the 5000 helmets, Germany sent as "First Aid" after the war started, or the long discussions regarding Leopard tanks, or the long delays of fresh US money. Not to mention the failed promise of 1 Mio artillery shells. I am not a big fan of the US, but as a German engineer, I know, that the Americans can be VERY FAST to build up industrial facilities.
In case they really want. Production of shells is not too complicated a process.
The West simply cheated UA. To break up UA, part to the West (Poland?) part to Putler?For the "collective West" (as Russian shills cordially call all of us) this is a process. In democratic countries, helping others with anything, finances or munitions takes time and torturous debates and discussions. I too would've been much happier if this had been done in a jiffy, but the "collective West" is not a bunch of Putinstans where everything and everyone bends to the whim of one person. In the US specifically, the military aid had been held hostage to our internal politics, not even mentioning the little fact that Nato (go figure!) just doesn't make enough armaments for a big war.
This is unfortunate, but it is what it is. What are you going to do, as they say here in Brooklyn.
There hasn't been any menace in the West dragging its feet. Stupidity, cowardice, greed -- yes. Malice -- no. Your interpretation of the West's intentions is simply way off.
Or who knows, I don't know what the ordinary Ukrainian thinks.
The shame is unbearble for fighting men outside the trenches to look at each other. Even I as an outsider am looking at these dudes a little funny. Brothers are in need and not stepping up.
The shame is unbearble for fighting men outside the trenches to look at each other. Even I as an outsider am looking at these dudes a little funny. Brothers are in need and not stepping up.Russians like you don't speak for Ukrainians, I was there recently, and they are grateful for the help they are getting and looking forward to using it to kick the invading force out of their country.
Russians like you don't speak for Ukrainians, I was there recently, and they are grateful for the help they are getting and looking forward to using it to kick the invading force out of their country.Ten years ago at the onset of the war, 10 out of 10 Ukrainians outside of Ukraine would have firmly said yes to a call from the motherland. Now it's a zero out of ten. What changed?
Elvis 2008
05-20-24, 03:31
JC you and Xman are smoking the same crap. The war is over, it has been over for several monthsYeah, and the bullshit reason we were given was to weaken Russia. It was just pols handing money to defense contractors who handed it back to them in the form of donations.
the only thing that would save Ukraine if the states and NATO decided to send 100,000's of troops.And that is another reason to vote Trump. Biden said he wanted that and is crazy enough to do it. To quote a famous general:
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
I cannot believe how much fucking debt we racked up in the Iraq war for oil and what mattered to get more oil was not an invasion but to refine a drilling technique. The war on Covid cost like $10 trillion and now you got this one which ironically is mild in comparison. WTF did we get for all that money spent? Anything?
That is the thing with Democratic douches. They have no concept of how much things cost.
Chime in the Democratic douche who says, "Iraq was a Republican war. " Yeah, no shit, so why is this one any better?
And now the douches will say, it was an unprovoked attack on a sovereign country. Please. It was a provoked attack and everyone with even a speck of knowledge knows it.
And that is another reason to vote Trump. Biden said he wanted that and is crazy enough to do it. .It's hard to say but to be fair, I think Biden has been consistent from the get-go in saying that there won't be any American boots on the ground. He realizes that if he did that it would mean a possible nuclear showdown with Russia, which no one wants. Is he being reckless in provoking Russia? Of course. But NATO or the collective west won't get involved by putting their soldiers on the ground or even enforcing some sort of no-fly zone. Macron is talking out of his ass and full of shit. The collective west is happy to fund Ukraine, they have plenty of money to throw away it seems. And they are happy to supply enough weapons to Ukraine, so Ukraine doesn't win or doesn't collapse quickly either. The aim is to make Russia bleed and weak, until the last Ukrainian. That's sick but it's the horrific reality.
The shame is unbearble for fighting men outside the trenches to look at each other. Even I as an outsider am looking at these dudes a little funny. Brothers are in need and not stepping up.I can understand a Ukrainian sitting in the trenches feeling pissed at the men overseas running away from serving. But then I put myself in the shoes of a Ukranian living overseas, in his 20's or 30's, fighting age and I can understand them not wanting to come back and being sent to the meat grinder with little to no training and face certain death. Who can blame them?
Russians like you don't speak for Ukrainians, I was there recently, and they are grateful for the help they are getting and looking forward to using it to kick the invading force out of their country.Thank you for your racist display. A warmonger like you shouldn't be on this website.
UA is the remake of the first Gulfwar, when Saddam went to pick up his stolen money from a US / UK pipeline, that was running from Kuwait into Iraq.
How many US biolabs in the UA? Since when? By whom? How maintained? For what purpose? You know the answer as much as I do.
$5 M mobster Joe & Co. + BURISMA, including member of the US Congress. , wasn't enough, he had to fire a native prosecutor from his own court, and add to it $1 B from the USAID to a rogue general.
Then, the pipeline made to destroy Germany's economy.
Your Bidet has done it all, has much as letting fly Gaza because he is on his way out, this guy has 5 years to live. The Jew knew, and grabbed the opportunity. This attack was announced and demonstrated during 2 long years before it happened. Conveniently, that day, all forces public and private, were concentrated in one location facing Jordana.
Still up in 2017, a website described in a chronological order all discrepancies in regard to Joe's first wife, and child deadly accident. Super Pedo is well organized.
His second wife died too.
The only real support the US has in the EU is from these puppet from England, and that's pretty thin.
Thank you for your racist display. A warmonger like you shouldn't be on this website.Supporting the right of Ukrainians to be free and remove invaders from their lands isn't warmongering. If you want peace, then campaign for Russia to leave, it's not rocket science.
Elvis 2008
05-21-24, 07:22
It's hard to say but to be fair, I think Biden has been consistent from the get-go in saying that there won't be any American boots on the ground. He realizes that if he did that it would mean a possible nuclear showdown with Russia, which no one wants.I think you need to separate Biden from his administration. https://nypost.com/2022/03/25/joe-biden-says-us-troops-will-be-in-ukraine-in-apparent-gaffe/.
Here is what Biden said: President Biden told US troops in Poland Friday that they will witness the bravery of Ukrainians fighting off Russia's invasion "when you're there" making a significant gaffe after he previously said the US must stay out of the European conflict to avoid triggering "World War III."
Biden made the remark while addressing members of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division after lunching on pizza and posing for selfies with dozens of paratroopers at a mess hall in Rzeszow, southeastern Poland.
"You're going to see when you're there, and some of you have been there, you're going to see you're going to see women, young people standing in the middle in front of a damned tank just saying, 'I'm not leaving, I'm holding my ground, Biden said.
A White House official quickly clarified that Biden wasn't changing his stance on deploying the military into Ukraine.
"The president has been clear we are not sending US troops to Ukraine and there is no change in that position," a Biden spokesman told The Post.
Biden also said that there was no way we should let Putin stay in power.
These were written off as Biden gaffes, but neither sounded like gaffes to me. I think Biden wants US troops in Ukraine and regime change in Russia. I think his administration has told Biden it would be a horrible move and advised against it. Thank God.
Biden is a fucking bully. Always has been. Always will be. All these fucking trials with Trump are made out to not be Biden, but it is him. And it is the same thing when he had a SWAT team invade Trump's house. He played like he was in the dark with it but it came out later that was his brain child too.
AntonySun1996
05-21-24, 15:33
Supporting the right of Ukrainians to be free and remove invaders from their lands isn't warmongering. If you want peace, then campaign for Russia to leave, it's not rocket science.Easy for you to say as a westerner who sits behind keyboard doesn't have to actually bleed and die in this war.
The biggest sacrifice you have done for Ukraine's freedom is probably changing your profile picture on social media to Ukrainian flag. While actual Ukrainian men are being caught on streets by TCC to send to front.
I think you need to separate Biden from his administration.
"You're going to see when you're there, and some of you have been there, you're going to see you're going to see women, young people standing in the middle in front of a damned tank just saying, 'I'm not leaving, I'm holding my ground, Biden said.
A White House official quickly clarified that Biden wasn't changing his stance on deploying the military into Ukraine.
"The president has been clear we are not sending US troops to Ukraine and there is no change in that position," a Biden spokesman told The Post.
Biden also said that there was no way we should let Putin stay in power.
.I don't like Sleepy Joe but once again to be fair to him, the man is suffering from Alzheimer's. He isn't running the show. It's Blinken and Sullivan for the most part. I don't think the people actually running the White House are stupid enough to risk a nuclear showdown with Russia over Ukraine, it's just not going to happen thank God.
The Russian army is a joke. Incredibly corrupt, incompetent, undisciplined with soldiers charging against machine guns, drones and mines either drunk or high out of their minds. Their war strategy is a succession of primitive meat assaults. That's probably how cavemen fought thousands of years ago. Every day of fighting in Ukraine takes about 1500 orcs out of commission.
Russian military hardware (whatever's left of it) is MOSTLY a joke. And there isn't much left. They're storming well equipped Ukrainian positions with 1950 BTRs and rely on Iranian drones and outdated and often faulty North Korean munitions.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/20/when-a-70-year-old-russian-btr-50-attacks-ukrainian-troops-its-bad-news-for-the-whole-russian-war-effort
North Korean for fuck's sake!
However, there was one particular type of war Russia used to excel -- information war. Used to, because Russia has overplayed its hand just like it always does. No one gives a shit about their red lines and nuclear blackmail any more. The mere fact that they have shills posting on a mongering forum is beyond pathetic.
But I digress. Caught a new show Moscow Tool yesterday on Comedy Channel. Funny as hell, but also mind-blowing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwLFOM3rgq8&pp=ygUMbW9zY293IHRvb2xz
Not that I didn't know about MAGA degenerates who adore Putin, but seeing their lips actually moving -- well, that's something. Too bad Klepper went too easy on those magnificent morons.
But then, he talks to Kline Preston, a MAGA lawyer and official observer of several Russian elections, and oh my God! That tool doesn't even try denying that he's a Russian asset. In fact, he's the one who suggests he is (Hello, Dr. Freud!
Watch it. It's both scary and hilarious.
Reiner Otto
05-22-24, 07:04
https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2024/05/21/rossiya-reshila-vodnostoronnem-poryadke-sdvinut-granitsu-slitvoi-ifinlyandiei-ibaltiiskom-more-a131403
This happens, when the West is not determined enough. Foreseen, though.
Easy for you to say as a westerner who sits behind keyboard doesn't have to actually bleed and die in this war.
The biggest sacrifice you have done for Ukraine's freedom is probably changing your profile picture on social media to Ukrainian flag. While actual Ukrainian men are being caught on streets by TCC to send to front.I've been there many times before and during the Russian invasion / war. Provided humanitarian aid, helped fund raise for their military and families there, as well as helping UA refugees in my own country.
Picture attached is from April 2024.
Unlike others here, I want them to have autonomy and freedom, the right to choose their own destiny, without the Russian boot on their necks.
I am many things, but a keyboard warrior, is not one of them.
Now tell me what you have done, other than hope for Russians to keep killing Ukrainians?
AntonySun1996
05-22-24, 19:00
Provided humanitarian aid, helped fund raise for their military and families there, as well as helping UA refugees in my own country.Sure buddy. A noble man who helps Ukrainian refugees and military such as you would just sit on an online forum for sex tourists in Ukraine. Does not make one wonder the true intention of your visits at all.
I want them to have autonomy and freedom, the right to choose their own destiny, without the Russian boot on their necks.You are more than welcome to join the foreign volunteer army yourself instead of just chanting your ideologies online encouraging others to die for them.
Now tell me what you have done, other than hope for Russians to keep killing Ukrainians?I do make donations to war refugees, but not to military units of either side. Unlike some naive kids, I don't think helping to prolong this war does any help to the people that has already been suffering so long.
hope for Russians to keep killing Ukrainians?If that's what you get from what I wrote, I suggest you seek help ASAP regarding your dyslexia.
Unlike others here, I want them to have autonomy and freedom, the right to choose their own destiny, without the Russian boot on their necks.Pretty disingenuous statement coming from a sex tourist in Kiev. Create all the illusion you want, every Ukrainian sees right through.
The Russian army is a joke. Incredibly corrupt, incompetent, undisciplined with soldiers charging against machine guns, drones and mines either drunk or high out of their minds. Their war strategy is a succession of primitive meat assaults. That's probably how cavemen fought thousands of years ago. Every day of fighting in Ukraine takes about 1500 orcs out of commission.
Russian military hardware (whatever's left of it) is MOSTLY a joke. And there isn't much left. They're storming well equipped Ukrainian positions with 1950 BTRs and rely on Iranian drones and outdated and often faulty North Korean munitions.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/20/when-a-70-year-old-russian-btr-50-attacks-ukrainian-troops-its-bad-news-for-the-whole-russian-war-effort
.Let's assume all of that is true, that the Russian army is weak, the Russians are stupid and incompetent, their hardware is a joke, etc etc. Answer this question:
If all that is true, why did the Ukrainian counter offensive last year fail so miserably? They actually had a well trained, well armed army with many NATO trained brigades at that time. And they only captured 1 village. Why?
DramaFree11
05-23-24, 05:53
The Russian army is a joke. Incredibly corrupt, incompetent, undisciplined with soldiers charging against machine guns, drones and mines either drunk or high out of their minds. Their war strategy is a succession of primitive meat assaults. That's probably how cavemen fought thousands of years ago. Every day of fighting in Ukraine takes about 1500 orcs out of commission.
Russian military hardware (whatever's left of it) is MOSTLY a joke. And there isn't much left. They're storming well equipped Ukrainian positions with 1950 BTRs and rely on Iranian drones and outdated and often faulty North Korean munitions.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/20/when-a-70-year-old-russian-btr-50-attacks-ukrainian-troops-its-bad-news-for-the-whole-russian-war-effort
North Korean for fuck's sake!.As usual you are wrong and living in some fantasy world. I think you are describing Ukraine army, but why stop lying now.
AntonySun1996
05-23-24, 08:35
I've been there many times before and during the Russian invasion / war. Provided humanitarian aid, helped fund raise for their military and families there, as well as helping UA refugees in my own country.
Picture attached is from April 2024.
Unlike others here, I want them to have autonomy and freedom, the right to choose their own destiny, without the Russian boot on their necks.
I am many things, but a keyboard warrior, is not one of them.
Now tell me what you have done, other than hope for Russians to keep killing Ukrainians?Gulliver in your photo is a nice shopping mall in the heart of Kyiv by the way. Brings a lot of memories. However, last time I checked, there are no "orcs" around that area.
Kharkiv and Donbass fronts are more suitable for your purposes.
Your post history suggests you still engage in sex tourism in Ukraine during the war time, so let me summarize:
You want Ukrainians to "kill orcs" in the east, yet you yourself are sitting in Kyiv hundreds of miles away from frontline, "helping Ukrainian people and military" as you claim. How?
You come to Ukraine to take advantage of the situation, paying to have sex with women when their men are dying on the front. I'm sure Ukrainians are very grateful for your bravery.
What a hero.
If all that is true, why did the Ukrainian counter offensive last year fail so miserably? They actually had a well trained, well armed army with many NATO trained brigades at that time. And they only captured 1 village. Why?That's not even true.
AntonySun1996
05-23-24, 17:39
That's not even true.I wonder why I wasn't invited to last summer's Crimea beach party.
Elvis 2008
05-23-24, 19:59
As usual you are wrong and living in some fantasy world. I think you are describing Ukraine army, but why stop lying now.This guy Peter Zeihan made the case that Russia always starts wars horribly and then they get rid of the politically adept but no nothing losers in the military and then put in people who know what they are doing, and then Russia uses its superior manpower to win. That pattern has totally held true in this war.
As far as Xman and Russian propaganda, have you seen the Russians skilled with communications in any area? Any blockbuster movies? Any great social media sites? Any kick ass music groups? Shit, Putin went on this boring 30 minute history lecture when he started talking to Tucker Carlson. When I was in the former USSR, the Soviets thought they understood Americans but I felt they did so to a rigid point where we were given beef with literally every meal.
American propaganda is so much better. The only place Russian propaganda took hold was in universities and communism / socialism was a great excuse for why those intelligent professors were not more wealthy and powerful than they were. It was and is fertile ground for socialism.
But yeah, guys like Xman do not think there is any American propaganda in this war. There is only Russian propaganda.
That's not even true. What part is not true?
And tell me, what territory did Ukraine capture during their much hyped counter offensive that started in June 2023? Name some villages, cities, towns, etc. I know they captured Robotyne to much fanfare, a small tiny village that the Russians have since recaptured.
What part is not true?
And tell me, what territory did Ukraine capture during their much hyped counter offensive that started in June 2023? Name some villages, cities, towns, etc. I know they captured Robotyne to much fanfare, a small tiny village that the Russians have since recaptured.That's not how that works, if you put forward a claim without evidence, it can also be dismissed without evidence. Let's see where you are getting this information from?
Your post history suggests you still engage in sex tourism in Ukraine during the war time, so let me summarize:Is there something wrong with mongering? If you want to criticize people for mongering, why are you here?
AntonySun1996
05-24-24, 03:39
Is there something wrong with mongering? If you want to criticize people for mongering, why are you here?Nothing.
What's wrong is hypocrisy. Taking advantage of the war, hunting Ukrainian women when their husbands are on frontline dying, while claiming to be helping Ukraine is just another level.
If you want to criticize people for mongering, why are you here?I do not calm I'm a saint as you do, nor do I criticize mongering. I do criticize hypocrisy.
Let's assume all of that is true, that the Russian army is weak, the Russians are stupid and incompetent, their hardware is a joke, etc etc. Answer this question:
If all that is true, why did the Ukrainian counter offensive last year fail so miserably? They actually had a well trained, well armed army with many NATO trained brigades at that time. And they only captured 1 village. Why?Of course, the mere premise of your question is yet another element of disinformation because the AFU liberated over a dozen villages, not one. That being said, here are the reasons why the 2023 counteroffensive was stalled.
1. It was repeatedly postponed due to poor weather and countless delays in weapon supplies.
2. Due to these delays, the Russians had managed to build efficient defense infrastructure.
3. The Ukrainians had gotten too cocky after their spectacularly successful counteroffensives in 2022.
Nevertheless, I find it interesting (and telling) how you consistently bragging about thwarting a Ukrainian CO. Is that where mighty Russia and its military prowess are standing right now? A stalemate?
That's a fateful departure from Kyiv in 3 days.
I mean, you guys have captured some yummy cities recently, like Bakhmut or Avdiivka. Want to tell us about those glorious victories and what they cost you? No?
Pretty disingenuous statement coming from a sex tourist in Kiev.
You come to Ukraine to take advantage of the situation, paying to have sex with women
Is there something wrong with mongering? If you want to criticize people for mongering, why are you here?They're probably working on more than one forum. I see how these fellas might get confused.
That's not how that works, if you put forward a claim without evidence, it can also be dismissed without evidence. Let's see where you are getting this information from?Why are you even in this discussion if you have no clue? You should stick to punting which you clearly excel at. As for your question, let me educate you. This is from the pathetic pro Ukrainian western mainstream media. Have a read if you have the attention span:
Despite six months of intense fighting, Ukraine managed just a 7.5-kilometer advance, reaching the village of Robotyne.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/MAPS/klvygwawavg/#four-factors-that-stalled-ukraines-counteroffensive.
John Clayton
05-24-24, 19:19
Why are you even in this discussion if you have no clue? ...You are demonstrating a complete (and sad) lack of self awareness.
Nothing.
What's wrong is hypocrisy. Taking advantage of the war, hunting Ukrainian women when their husbands are on frontline dying, while claiming to be helping Ukraine is just another level.Maybe it's better if you make a list of places where mongers are allowed to operate? Would be good to know what the ISG morality police allows and disallows. Glad you know everything about the lives of Ukrainians.
I do not calm I'm a saint as you do, nor do I criticize mongering. I do criticize hypocrisy.Hypocrisy? Irony is lost on you I guess.
You are demonstrating a complete (and sad) lack of self awareness.This is unfortunately endemic amongst the RuZZians.
This guy Peter Zeihan made the case that Russia always starts wars horribly and then they get rid of the politically adept but no nothing losers in the military and then put in people who know what they are doing, and then Russia uses its superior manpower to win. That pattern has totally held true in this war.
That guy gets most things wrong, but I did like his recent video about higher rates for way longer.
I don't know about Russian strategy, but I do know it's a shit show for the Westerners that went to fight. Ukrainians basically grind them up and have no respect for their lives. Plenty of reports out there of their terrible experiences, completely out gunned with fractional resources.
AntonySun1996
05-25-24, 03:56
Hypocrisy? Irony is lost on you I guess.Sure. You are not a hypocrite at all.
Having some random foreign dude pay to have sex with their women is exactly what Ukrainian soldiers need.
Why are you even in this discussion if you have no clue? You should stick to punting which you clearly excel at. As for your question, let me educate you. This is from the pathetic pro Ukrainian western mainstream media. Have a read if you have the attention span:
Despite six months of intense fighting, Ukraine managed just a 7.5-kilometer advance, reaching the village of Robotyne.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/MAPS/klvygwawavg/#four-factors-that-stalled-ukraines-counteroffensive.Gee, that's just lazy.
After an obligatory tirade against "pathetic pro Ukrainian western mainstream media" where do you go? That's right, you paste a link from "pathetic pro Ukrainian western mainstream media" that practically lists the same pointers I already provided you a day earlier.
That's lazy and clumsy. You've now officially crossed into the Drama Queen territory.
I don't know about Russian strategy, but I do know it's a shit show for the Westerners that went to fight. Ukrainians basically grind them up and have no respect for their lives. Plenty of reports out there of their terrible experiences, completely out gunned with fractional resources.My understanding is that both sides use foreign fighters in their ranks. Seeing that you're so well-versed in these matters, is there anything you could tell us about foreign soldiers fighting for Russia and how are their lives respected by your homeland?
I don't know about Russian strategy, but I do know it's a shit show for the Westerners that went to fight. Ukrainians basically grind them up and have no respect for their lives. Plenty of reports out there of their terrible experiences, completely out gunned with fractional resources.You just described the Russian military doctrine. Also by reversing the narrative, you've also used the main tool in the Russian propaganda playbook.
You can now pass go and collect 200 rubles.
You are demonstrating a complete (and sad) lack of self awareness.You cannot debate, that much is clear.
Elvis 2008
05-25-24, 13:41
That guy gets most things wrong, but I did like his recent video about higher rates for way longer..He is a mouth piece for the CIA and wants a demented president like Biden in office so the CIA can do whatever the hell it wants.
But just like the kid in the military who released documents about how lousy the chances of Ukraine was of winning, Zeihan let us know the truth about how the CIA felt. He said repeatedly this was Russia's war to lose.
Gee, that's just lazy.
After an obligatory tirade against "pathetic pro Ukrainian western mainstream media" where do you go? That's right, you paste a link from "pathetic pro Ukrainian western mainstream media" that practically lists the same pointers I already provided you a day earlier.
That's lazy and clumsy. You've now officially crossed into the Drama Queen territory.
?I posted an article from Reuters which is from the western media (anti Russian) to prove that the Ukrainian counter offensive was an utter failure and they just captured 1 village which they since have lost.
I posted an article from Reuters which is from the western media (anti Russian) to prove that the Ukrainian counter offensive was an utter failure and they just captured 1 village which they since have lost.Please indicate: a) where the article states that Ukraine only "captured 1 village" or b) what brought you to the conclusion (based on the above article) that it captures only 1 village.
He is a mouth piece for the CIA and wants a demented president like Biden in officeFor your guy, dementia is a feature, not a bug.
Biden Is Getting Older. Trump Is Losing His Mind.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/biden-getting-older-trump-losing-mind
Trump, Dementia, Collective Pathology
https://kenmcgoogan.com/2024/05/17/trump-dementia-collective-pathology
Our Diagnostic Impression of Trump is Probable Dementia: For Licensed Professionals Only
https://www.change.org/p/our-diagnostic-impression-of-trump-is-probable-dementia-for-licensed-professionals-only
Please indicate: a) where the article states that Ukraine only "captured 1 village" or b) what brought you to the conclusion (based on the above article) that it captures only 1 village.When the counter offensive started, the MINIMUM goal was to reach Tokmak. They moved in the direction of Tokmak but were stopped after they captured Robotyne. Now of course while moving on to Robotyne, they captured the land that comes before it. But they didn't even reach Tokmak. The only village / territory they really captured was Robotyne, even the western mainstream media admits that.
Are you disputing that the counter offensive was a colossal failure, and that the AFU were sent on a suicide mission with no aircover?
When the counter offensive started, the MINIMUM goal was to reach Tokmak. They moved in the direction of Tokmak but were stopped after they captured Robotyne. Now of course while moving on to Robotyne, they captured the land that comes before it. But they didn't even reach Tokmak. The only village / territory they really captured was Robotyne, even the western mainstream media admits that.
Are you disputing that the counter offensive was a colossal failure, and that the AFU were sent on a suicide mission with no aircover?Oh, yes I do. Setback -- yes. Disappointment -- definitely. Colossal failure? Give me a break.
- Putin's failure to capture Kyiv or even Kharkiv in 2022 -- that's a colossal failure.
- The decimation of the Black Sea fleet (by a country that doesn't have a Navy, LOL) -- that's a colossal failure and funny one too.
- Fleeing for their dear lives from Kharkiv and Kherson regions in 2022 -- that's 2 colossal failures.
- Putin's fleeing from Moscow during the Prigozhin mutiny -- that's one colossal and truly hilarious failure.
Compared to these truly colossal failures, the AFU inability to meet the declared goals of the 2023 counter offensive is a very "middle-of-the-road" failure, unpleasant, but limited in its consequences, which doesn't get anywhere close to "colossal". You need to work harder on your vocabulary.
Then of course, there is your own failure to directly answer my question:
Please indicate: a) where the article states that Ukraine only "captured 1 village" or b) what brought you to the conclusion (based on the above article) that it captures only 1 village.Since you simply make things up as you go along, allow me to educate you. Here is a list of settlements liberated by AFU during the 2023 counter offensives.
Robotyne, Pyatikhatky, Rivne, Novodarivka, Neskuchne, Blahodatne, Storozhove, Makarivka, Staromayorske, Andriivka, Klishchiyivka; town Urozhayne.
A little more than "1 village", isn't it?
Work smarter, not harder, will you?
Robotyne, Pyatikhatky, Rivne, Novodarivka, Neskuchne, Blahodatne, Storozhove, Makarivka, Staromayorske, Andriivka, Klishchiyivka; town Urozhayne.
Rivne is in western Ukraine. Must have been a tough battle.
DramaFree11
05-27-24, 04:35
Oh, yes I do. Setback -- yes. Disappointment -- definitely. Colossal failure? Give me a break.
- Putin's failure to capture Kyiv or even Kharkiv in 2022 -- that's a colossal failure.
- The decimation of the Black Sea fleet (by a country that doesn't have a Navy, LOL) -- that's a colossal failure and funny one too.
- Fleeing for their dear lives from Kharkiv and Kherson regions in 2022 -- that's 2 colossal failures.
- Putin's fleeing from Moscow during the Prigozhin mutiny -- that's one colossal and truly hilarious failure.
Compared to these truly colossal failures, the AFU inability to meet the declared goals of the 2023 counter offensive is a very "middle-of-the-road" failure, unpleasant, but limited in its consequences, which doesn't get anywhere close to "colossal". You need to work harder on your vocabulary.
Then of course, there is your own failure to directly answer my question:
Since you simply make things up as you go along, allow me to educate you. Here is a list of settlements liberated by AFU during the 2023 counter offensives.
Robotyne, Pyatikhatky, Rivne, Novodarivka, Neskuchne, Blahodatne, Storozhove, Makarivka, Staromayorske, Andriivka, Klishchiyivka; town Urozhayne.
A little more than "1 village", isn't it?
Work smarter, not harder, will you?Xman you are smoking some serious crack. The only one lying and in major denial is you and your buddy Pres. Z.
Ukraine needs to Start negotiating immediately, save what they can, but that would mean the money would stop and the corruption would be exposed. Nothing will be left to fight over. I guess in your crazy ass liberal world that is a win, destroying a country and getting all there men killed, for nothing.
Have you ever been to Ukraine, I have never read one report of you being in Country. At least some of your wacko crazy friends, are still visiting Ukraine. It makes no sense, and shows pure desperation or a death wish looking for cheap pussy in the middle of a major war.
More and more countries have allowed UA to use munitions on Russian soil. In addition there are huge economic problems with Gazprom amongst others which is affecting the war chest. The pivot to Asia delivery from Europe has been a complete failure, whilst "The Power of Siberia 2" pipeline is paused while Xi negotiates better terms with Putler.
Whilst Z team has manpower in droves, it doesn't have lasting economic power.
When Putler broke his LTS contracts in Europe, all the potential customers watched, in the same way they watched when the US seized funds.
Z team is an unreliable partner, which makes the terms for their contracts much more lopsided towards the customer.
This war will continue for a few more years, and the economic collapse in Z land will come before the capitulation of Ukraine and their European partners.
Rivne is in western Ukraine. Must have been a tough battle.My bad. Meant Rivnopil, not Rivne.
That guy gets most things wrong, but I did like his recent video about higher rates for way longer.
I don't know about Russian strategy, but I do know it's a shit show for the Westerners that went to fight. Ukrainians basically grind them up and have no respect for their lives. Plenty of reports out there of their terrible experiences, completely out gunned with fractional resources.By the way, I noticed your radio silence on Russia's treatment of their foreign mercenaries. Any comments on that?
Just a reminder:
My understanding is that both sides use foreign fighters in their ranks. Seeing that you're so well-versed in these matters, is there anything you could tell us about foreign soldiers fighting for Russia and how are their lives respected by your homeland?
Oh, yes I do. Setback -- yes. Disappointment -- definitely. Colossal failure? Give me a break.Their main goal was to sever the land bridge and reach the sea of Azov. They only reached up to Robotyne, a tiny village to much fanfare. They didn't even reach Tokmak! They lost tens of thousands of some of their best NATO trained soldiers and an enormous amount of NATO supplied hardware. And to you that is a disappointment and a setback. LOL.
- Putin's failure to capture Kyiv or even Kharkiv in 2022 -- that's a colossal failure.He never tried to capture Kiev or Kharkov for that matter, he didn't have enough troops. You don't have a military background so you don't understand these things, you just believe whatever the pathetic mainstream western media you jerk off to tells you. They told you this 'Kiev in 3 days' narrative and you ran with it. The purpose of the initial invasion was to put pressure on Ukraine and make them realize how serious Russia was and to force them to negotiate, which they did and accepted neutrality in Istanbul in 2022 March until Boris Johnson and USA told Elensky to ditch the talks.
- The decimation of the Black Sea fleet (by a country that doesn't have a Navy, LOL) -- that's a colossal failure and funny one too.Yes, Russia has suffered losses there. Decimation? Nope.
- Fleeing for their dear lives from Kharkiv and Kherson regions in 2022 -- that's 2 colossal failures.See my above post regarding Kiev. Regarding Kharkov and Kherson, once again you do not have a military background and do not understand battle so let me school you again little man. Russia made a TACTICAL withdrawal from Kherson and Kharkov because they did not have enough troops on the ground at that time.
- Putin's fleeing from Moscow during the Prigozhin mutiny -- that's one colossal and truly hilarious failure.And what was the end result? Nothing, just made Putin stronger and a huge disappointment for the collective west.
Compared to these truly colossal failures, the AFU inability to meet the declared goals of the 2023 counter offensive is a very "middle-of-the-road" failure, unpleasant, but limited in its consequences, which doesn't get anywhere close to "colossal". You need to work harder on your vocabulary.
Then of course, there is your own failure to directly answer my question:
Since you simply make things up as you go along, allow me to educate you. Here is a list of settlements liberated by AFU during the 2023 counter offensives.
Robotyne, Pyatikhatky, Rivne, Novodarivka, Neskuchne, Blahodatne, Storozhove, Makarivka, Staromayorske, Andriivka, Klishchiyivka; town Urozhayne.
A little more than "1 village", isn't it?
Work smarter, not harder, will you?Which of those territories you listed is still controlled by Ukraine? I will wait for your answer. Get to work.
And one more thing I want to clearly point out about the current Russian incursion in Kharkov (before people like Xpartan who suffer from delusions start another propaganda):
The Russians have no intention of capturing Kharkov, they have gone in with a very small force. The aim is to establish a buffer zone to reduce Ukrainian attacks on Belgorod and stretch the already overstretched Ukranian reserves and inflict more attrition on them.
The Russians have no intention of capturing Kharkov, they have gone in with a very small force. The aim is to establish a buffer zone to reduce Ukrainian attacks on Belgorod and stretch the already overstretched Ukranian reserves and inflict more attrition on them.Normal people know this, but the troll farm really likes making whoppers here.
Their main goal was to sever the land bridge and reach the sea of Azov. They only reached up to Robotyne, a tiny village to much fanfare. They didn't even reach Tokmak! They lost tens of thousands of some of their best NATO trained soldiers and an enormous amount of NATO supplied hardware. And to you that is a disappointment and a setback. LOL.Yes it is. Compared to a series of knockouts the Ukrainians delivered around Kyiv, Kharkov and Kherson in 2022, it's practically nothing.
But that's even beside the point. You said the Ukrainians only liberated 1 village while they liberated more than a dozen. That was a direct lie. You can't wiggle your way out of it.
He never tried to capture Kiev or Kharkov for that matter, he didn't have enough troops.He never tried to capture Kyiv? Now that's hysterical!
Russias failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340
It's a bit early to rewrite history. You'll have to wait for at least a few decades.
You don't have a military background so you don't understand these things, you just believe whatever the pathetic mainstream western media you jerk off to tells you. They told you this 'Kiev in 3 days' narrative and you ran with it. They told you this 'Kiev in 3 days' narrative and you ran with it. Who told me what? Kyiv in 3 days was Russia's propaganda drivel. It's your own colleagues who ran with it, not me. Soloviev, Skabeyeva, Simonyan among others. They all gave Kyiv from 1 to 3 days. Your fuhrer was actually more conservative; his prognosis was 2 weeks. Our "pathetic mainstream western media" simply quoted your own people. Talk to them if you have a problem.
See my above post regarding Kiev. Regarding Kharkov and Kherson, once again you do not have a military background and do not understand battle so let me school you again little man. That's right, I don't have military background. But neither do your generals, it seems.
Russia made a TACTICAL withdrawal from Kherson and KharkovYou forgot a "goodwill gesture", LOL.
Which of those territories you listed is still controlled by Ukraine? I will wait for your answer. Get to work.Yes Sire. Cream and sugar?
Normal people know this, but the troll farm really likes making whoppers here.You are a member of the troll farm, evidenced by spelling Kharkiv incorrectly in the Ukrainian forums.
Who told me what? Kyiv in 3 days was Russia's propaganda drivel. It's your own colleagues who ran with it, not me. Soloviev, Skabeyeva, Simonyan among others. They all gave Kyiv from 1 to 3 days. Your fuhrer was actually more conservative; his prognosis was 2 weeks. Our "pathetic mainstream western media" simply quoted your own people. Talk to them if you have a problem.LOL, he's a historian quoting western media, but he reckons the "taking Kyiv in 3 days" is a western story. So unravels the latest Russian shill to infest the Ukrainian forums. Why they never post in the Russia forums, I will not understand.
Remember 99 Red Balloons? Time of the fall of the Berlin Wall is far behind us. Still our dear Korean friends play games. Some would even suggest this is the wonder weapon they are going to send west to get rid of the 'expired President' (good pun) in Kiev. Indeed, what would you do with the expired tuna can? You can't bring it to the community food bank or animal shelter. It's just thrown into the garbage.
https://youtu.be/lwz3KhjgXLE?si=eW7xdzISk2PG95-2
Yes it is. Compared to a series of knockouts the Ukrainians delivered around Kyiv, Kharkov and Kherson in 2022, it's practically nothing.You obviously do not know what a knock out is LOL. Nor do you understand tactical withdrawals because you do not have a military background.
But that's even beside the point. You said the Ukrainians only liberated 1 village while they liberated more than a dozen. That was a direct lie. You can't wiggle your way out of it.
He never tried to capture Kyiv? Now that's hysterical!
Russias failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340
It's a bit early to rewrite history. You'll have to wait for at least a few decades.Yes, he didn't. He didn't have enough troops to take Kiev. The SMO was started with a very small number of troops. The goals initially I have already highlighted earlier. It was to coerce Ukraine to sue for peace and accept neutrality. This worked. See Istanbul March 2022. Elesnky is on record saying that Ukraine is ready to accept neutrality. Would you like me to link you to that news? Then Boris Johnson sabotaged it and that is when NATO got involved.
Who told me what? Kyiv in 3 days was Russia's propaganda drivel. It's your own colleagues who ran with it, not me. Soloviev, Skabeyeva, Simonyan among others. They all gave Kyiv from 1 to 3 days. Your fuhrer was actually more conservative; his prognosis was 2 weeks. Our "pathetic mainstream western media" simply quoted your own people. Talk to them if you have a problem.Yes, the pathetic western MSM you jerk off to came up with the Kiev in 3 days non sense. You can keep running with it. Just like:
Ukraine is winning.
The Russians are running out of ammo.
The Russians are weak and stupid.
The Russians are running out of missiles.
The Russians are running out of drones.
The Arbrams, leopards, storm shadows etc are going to be a game changer.
Ukraine will get Crimea back in summer of 2023 after the counter offensive.
OH did I mention that UKRAINE IS WINNING? LOL.
That's right, I don't have military background. But neither do your generals, it seems.
You forgot a "goodwill gesture", LOL.Yes, and I do have a military back ground so I will be here to school on military matters so pay close attention.
Yes Sire. Cream and sugar?Yeah, weaseled your way out of that one. The true mark of a coward. Walk on home, boy.
You are a member of the troll farm, evidenced by spelling Kharkiv incorrectly in the Ukrainian forums.Kharkov, like Odessa, is historically a Russian city. Technically, both spellings are correct.
Normal people know this, but the troll farm really likes making whoppers here.Yes, but I just thought I'd make it clear before some of the folks here start another narrative saying that the Russians didn't succeed in capturing Kharkov when they do not have any intention of doing so. Vladimir Putin stated a few months back about the buffer zone inside Kharkov.
Kharkov, like Odessa, is historically a Russian city. Technically, both spellings are correct.Neither Odessa, nor Kharkiv are Russian cities now. So the new spelling is correct. No one is calling Istanbul Constantinople due to historical context.
Reiner Otto
05-30-24, 16:29
Kharkov, like Odessa, is historically a Russian city. Interesting. Because Kharkiv was for a couple of years the capital of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic?
Odessa, at least was founded by Catherine, the Great. But then, may be historically it is German?
LOL, he's a historian quoting western media, but he reckons the "taking Kyiv in 3 days" is a western story. So unravels the latest Russian shill to infest the Ukrainian forums. Why they never post in the Russia forums, I will not understand.To me, it's astonishing that they would waste resources on a mongering forum at all. Yet, this is how insane the Russian propaganda machine is. They want to be under every boulder, rock and pebble.
Undermining Ukraine: How Russia widened its global information war in 2023
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-depth-research-reports/report/undermining-ukraine-how-russia-widened-its-global-information-war-in-2023
The true mark of a coward. Walk on home, boy.I understand you're upset. But look, I didn't choose your job for you. Get out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat.
When you just began your tenure, you managed to refrain from personal attacks. You came in strong with a rich assortment of lies, half-truths, and demagoguery techniques expecting that these decadent westerners would have no idea what hit them.
So when your lies get unraveled, and you're left with no arguments to counter the cold, hard facts, you become angry and resort to the only tools available to any shill in the world -- deflection and personal attacks. That's plain boring.
You've degenerated in just a matter of days. Sad!
I understand you're upset. But look, I didn't choose your job for you. Get out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat.
When you just began your tenure, you managed to refrain from personal attacks. You came in strong with a rich assortment of lies, half-truths, and demagoguery techniques expecting that these decadent westerners would have no idea what hit them.
So when your lies get unraveled, and you're left with no arguments to counter the cold, hard facts, you become angry and resort to the only tools available to any shill in the world -- deflection and personal attacks. That's plain boring.
You've degenerated in just a matter of days. Sad!Selective quoting. I understand. You have no rebuttal. Like I said, walk on home boy.
P.S. Ukraine is winning.
Neither Odessa, nor Kharkiv are Russian cities now. So the new spelling is correct. No one is calling Istanbul Constantinople due to historical context.I do think that Putin will end up capturing and annexing both Kharkiv and Odessa, and everything east of the Dniper. After that, I really don't know what he has in mind to be honest. He may very well end up taking 4 more Oblasts in addition to the 4 he partially controls + Crimea. The longer this tragic needless war continues, the more territory Ukraine will lose.
John Clayton
05-31-24, 15:24
I..The longer this tragic needless war continues, the more territory Ukraine will lose.Xpartan just remarked on how ubiquitous Russian disinformation is, even here on a sex website. To be fair, Russian disinformation is not just everywhere, it has been incredibly effective -- maximum results with very little effort. Truly, Russia punches far above its weight. It has been amazing how a backwards country with an economy smaller than Italy's has been able to achieve strategic outcomes only through propaganda. How is this campaign funded? How much is this poster paid to do his work on this forum?
Xpartan just remarked on how ubiquitous Russian disinformation is, even here on a sex website. To be fair, Russian disinformation is not just everywhere, it has been incredibly effective -- maximum results with very little effort. Truly, Russia punches far above its weight. It has been amazing how a backwards country with an economy smaller than Italy's has been able to achieve strategic outcomes only through propaganda. How is this campaign funded? How much is this poster paid to do his work on this forum?You can only post rubbish and can't dispute facts because you cannot debate. Ukraine is losing territory daily.
How much territory has Ukraine lost in 2024?
How much territory has Ukraine lost in 2024?This is a war of attrition. Ukraine is trading small villages and towns for massive Russian losses. This is the 243 day of the Russian offensive, in this time they have almost 2900 armored vehicles + artillery destroyed plus 1100 more abandoned. Do you think that's sustainable?
You can only post rubbish and can't dispute facts because you cannot debate. Ukraine is losing territory daily.
How much territory has Ukraine lost in 2024?880 square kilometers.
https://youtu.be/kF_1ggbDPQw?si=4j5tyqdSVlZXuVEN
In March 2022, the RuZZians were occupying 27% of Ukraine.
Right now, they're only controlling 17%.
They lose 1,200-1,500 soldiers every single day.
The Black Sea in Crimea is practically a no-sail zone for the RuZZians.
RuZZia gets hit daily, including areas up to 1,100 miles away from the border.
The length of Nato borders with RuZZia has more than doubled.
Of course, there is also a tiny-teeny matter of RuZZia having turned into an openly fascist state, but I promised numbers so numbers you get.
Good job comradZ. Keep winning!
This is a war of attrition. Ukraine is trading small villages and towns for massive Russian losses. This is the 243 day of the Russian offensive, in this time they have almost 2900 armored vehicles + artillery destroyed plus 1100 more abandoned. Do you think that's sustainable?Do you believe everything the pathetic mainstream western media tells you?
Do you think Ukraine is winning?
Do you believe everything the pathetic mainstream western media tells you?
Do you think Ukraine is winning?Is Russia winning?
Is Russia winning?Yes.
The AFU are being decimated. Ukraine is out of manpower; the mobilization has not gone well. Not many men want to go to the meat grinder and die for nothing, who can blame them? The west cannot supply Ukraine the weapons in the amount it needs, it can send money yes, but it can't print manpower. And you're forgetting that the collective west does not want to help Ukraine win, they want to make Russia weak. The two are not the same, are they now?
This is a war of attrition and Russia is slowly destroying AFU, one of the goals of the SMO (demilitarization). I'd be surprised if this thing goes past the end of this summer or by the end of 2024 maximum. A collapse of AFU also cannot be ruled out.
Yes.
The AFU are being decimated. Ukraine is out of manpowerDecimated, huh? If you say so.
Total RuZZian losses: 507,000.
Daily RuZZian losses (or over 1,000 people on average):
- Category 7 the 30 the 3 m 6 m 1 why.
- Personnel 1244.3 1260.3 1022.3 975.6 819.9.
Yes.
The AFU are being decimated.
Not many men want to go to the meat grinder and die for nothing, who can blame them? The west cannot supply Ukraine the weapons in the amount it needs, it can send money yes, but it can't print manpower. And you're forgetting that the collective west does not want to help Ukraine win, they want to make Russia weak. The two are not the same, are they now?
This is a war of attrition and Russia is slowly destroying AFU, one of the goals of the SMO (demilitarization). I'd be surprised if this thing goes past the end of this summer or by the end of 2024 maximum. A collapse of AFU also cannot be ruled out.AFU decimated? The losses on Z team are an order of magnitude worse.
Meat grinder? It's not the AFU that are running a meat grinder strategy. You are confusing them with the Z team.
The West does not want Russia to win, they will not allow that. Trump would, but he is a traitor to democracy.
There is no SMO, it's an invasion, occupation and war. May I remind you this is the Ukrainian forums, and we don't have to lie to ourselves here.
You predict a collapse of the AFU by September 2024?
Decimated, huh? If you say so.
Total RuZZian losses: 507,000.
Daily RuZZian losses (or over 1,000 people on average):
- Category 7 the 30 the 3 m 6 m 1 why.
- Personnel 1244.3 1260.3 1022.3 975.6 819.9.Keep believing the lies from the western MSM. They also told you that Ukraine is winning, would get Crimea back last year and that the counter offensive would result in AFU reaching the Sea of Azov and severing the land bridge.
AFU decimated? The losses on Z team are an order of magnitude worse.
Meat grinder? It's not the AFU that are running a meat grinder strategy. You are confusing them with the Z team.
The West does not want Russia to win, they will not allow that. Trump would, but he is a traitor to democracy.
There is no SMO, it's an invasion, occupation and war. May I remind you this is the Ukrainian forums, and we don't have to lie to ourselves here.
You predict a collapse of the AFU by September 2024?I don't predict it; I'm saying there is a high probability of it happening and it cannot be ruled out.
As for the losses, let's be honest here. NO ONE knows for sure how many casualties each side has suffered, but in my view, the losses suffered by AFU are much higher. Even if we say both sides have suffered equal or the Russians more, you have to keep in mind that Russia can replace the soldiers due to the fact that they have 3 x the population compared to Ukraine. Ukraine cannot replace the manpower now. It is simple math if you can be objective and look at the reality.
This cannot go on for a long time. Ukraine is out of manpower. Even if you give them all the weapons they are asking for, who is going to operate them? Unless NATO gets involved on the ground, which is not going to happen. Ukraine is doomed. I say that with no happiness. I'm NOT a Russian. I don't have a horse in this race. This is an enormous tragedy that could've easily been avoided. I blame the warmongers in NATO and the west. They took Ukraine down the primrose path. May God punish them one day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Be-lZSZSqM
Look at this beautiful thing. Big anti war protest in Europe. Sign of things to come.
Keep believing the lies from the western MSM.You're a Russia state employee: lying is what you do for a living.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Be-lZSZSqM
Look at this beautiful thing. Big anti war protest in Europe. Sign of things to come.You did it fellas! First, you survived the Ukraine's counteroffensive last year, and now this.
Big success, as Borat would say.
"In Europe" LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Be-lZSZSqM
Look at this beautiful thing. Big anti war protest in Europe. Sign of things to come.https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1796998318624481346
Look at this beautiful thing. Huge Russian column absolutely obliterated. Sign of things to come.
https://x.com/randymot4/status/1797603919893504381
The Russian Army has been ordered to make a major breakthrough to score political points to attempt to force a ceasefire. This explains the suicidal attacks and huge casualties. It has failed and resulted in an 8 to 1 kill ratio.These are horrific casualty figures, an army that sends people to their deaths in this senseless way is pure evil. Pyrrhic warfare from the Z Team as usual.
https://x.com/randymot4/status/1797603919893504381
These are horrific casualty figures, an army that sends people to their deaths in this senseless way is pure evil. Pyrrhic warfare from the Z Team as usual.Hard to call it Pyrrhic. Pyrrhus was a brilliant commander and he did win his battle. Russian military "geniuses" are simply sending troops to their death without a plan or strategy, just to please the boss.
https://x.com/randymot4/status/1797603919893504381
These are horrific casualty figures, an army that sends people to their deaths in this senseless way is pure evil. Pyrrhic warfare from the Z Team as usual.Are you keeping track of AFU casualties? Or do you believe the figure put out by the actor Zelensky - 33 K?
Maybe next month Bill Shorten will award a small disability pension to the expired clown.
We use technical control as well as verified obituaries, cemetery records, social media and confirmations by the family members to add to the tally. The information has been released to the press.
This all has been a horrible tragedy as we fight each other for ten years, fight an image in a mirror, fight with ourselves, which in part explains the difficulty.
We always collected the debts in the past, and we are going to collect them this time.
Maybe next month Bill Shorten will award a small disability pension to the expired clown.
We use technical control as well as verified obituaries, cemetery records, social media and confirmations by the family members to add to the tally. The information has been released to the press.
This all has been a horrible tragedy as we fight each other for ten years, fight an image in a mirror, fight with ourselves, which in part explains the difficulty.
We always collected the debts in the past, and we are going to collect them this time.Nothing you write makes sense, maybe the Russian ChatGPT needs fine tuning. If you have numbers and a source share them, otherwise keep this nonsensical cod-wash to yourself.
It's time to introduce the Speaker of the Rada, Mr. Stefanchuk, obviously a very hungry man. Just run a google translate of today's article here: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27590/4941386/.
Note: The article directly mentions NABU, and it's not a planet from The Star Wars but rather https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anti-Corruption_Bureau_of_Ukraine.
It's time to introduce the Speaker of the Rada, Mr. Stefanchuk, obviously a very hungry man. Just run a google translate of today's article here: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27590/4941386/.
Note: The article directly mentions NABU, and it's not a planet from The Star Wars but rather https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anti-Corruption_Bureau_of_Ukraine.You are aware that Russian lies and propaganda doesn't work the same way outside of Z Land? It especially doesn't work in Ukraine.
We always collected the debts in the past, and we are going to collect them this time.
Nothing you write makes sense, maybe the Russian ChatGPT needs fine tuning. If you have numbers and a source share them, otherwise keep this nonsensical cod-wash to yourself.Actually this does make sense. This is a Russian "imperialist" accidentally telling us what he really thinks.
Clearly, Ukraine owes Questner a debt. A big one.
But the thing is, it doesn't end with Ukraine. Every former Russian / Soviet colony owes Questner a debt. Kazakhstan, Armenia, Moldova, you name it.
Then there are the Baltics. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were always a bit different. So it shouldn't come as a surprise that they've been trying to get as far away from their creditor as humanly possible. Ingrates!
And don't get me started on Eastern Europe, especially the Poles who too seem to owe a hell of a debt to Questners, more than anyone else, (after Ukraine and the Baltics), of course.
But that doesn't mean the rest of the world is safe. Like Questner's chieftan once said: "Russia's borders don't end anywhere".
That's a literal quote, by the way. I'm not making this up.
How are Questners collecting debts? Very simply, really. Think of Mariupol, the city that doesn't exist anymore where tens of thousands of dead civilians are lying in mass graves or under the rubbles and new, hastily erected buildings. First bombs, then bulldozers. No efforts are spared to make the identification of human remains impossible.
That's the fate of every Ukrainian city if they allow Questners to freeze this war, so they could catch a break and grow new meat for their war grinders.
In fact, the Ukrainians don't really have a choice. They must fight to the bitter end or face the annihilation. The West must support Ukraine's heroic effort with all its might and stop telling them where they're allowed and not allowed to shoot.
The world must stop Questners from collecting their homicidal debts. It's really that simple.
... The world must stop Questners from collecting their homicidal debts. It's really that simple.https://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1798537710120153373
Interesting that you mention the Russians collecting debts, according to a leading Russian economist, their own economy is undergoing a suicide. So their ability to pay their own debts, is something they really need to worry about.
Too much focus abroad and not enough focus on the needs of their own people.
But as you say, they live in a demented imperial mindset, whereby conquest seems like a better thing that providing basic 1950's level plumbing to the whole population.
Thank god UA is fighting back, otherwise they will have to endure this kind of horrific tyranny.
Looks like we are a step closer to ending the dumb war.
Looks like we are a step closer to ending the dumb war.What do you mean? Can you please explain?
Looks like we are a step closer to ending the dumb war.
What do you mean? Can you please explain?That's a Russian "denazifier" basking in Marine FASCIST LE Pen's EU victory, LOL. The one who brought a bag full of cash from Moscow.
What he fails to understand, though, is that politicians try to avoid being associated with losers. Fascists more than anyone.
Russia has started releasing female prison inmates to join the war in Ukraine. A group of women from a prison near St. Petersburg were released in late May to join the fighting.
https://x.com/clashreport/status/1800222766878347361
Now that the men's prisons are empty, the Z crew has to get cannon fodder from the women's prisons.
Glad that more aid is coming to UA, things are getting very interesting.
That's a Russian "denazifier" basking in Marine FASCIST LE Pen's EU victory, LOL.Very deceiving how you tag stuff en aye zee and fascist. Most of that far right vote is nothing more than older people that don't want illegal immigration and wars.
In memoriam of Daniel Dennet: Maybe philosophical robots indeed do exist. They are heartless and brainless and only appear to exist.
As Mr. Lavrov recently stated as a perfect diplomat, The West started 'to vibrate', meaning 'to shiver' that is 'to fear'. Not only the few Western potential military targets were purposefully leaked in mass media (and we leak them too), but even countries. From 1 kt per airstrip to 75 kt to per base.
The only hope we will strike a deal with the elites in Ukraine faster than your mummy with an ice cream in his waning hand turns everything into ashes.
DramaFree11
06-12-24, 03:19
Russia has started releasing female prison inmates to join the war in Ukraine. A group of women from a prison near St. Petersburg were released in late May to join the fighting.
https://x.com/clashreport/status/1800222766878347361
Now that the men's prisons are empty, the Z crew has to get cannon fodder from the women's prisons.
Glad that more aid is coming to UA, things are getting very interesting.Again, you guys are delusional. Ukraine has been using women in the front lines for over a year, probably longer, but you guys conveniently leave this out. Why start dealing in Reality now, keep watching CNN and your other crazy liberal channels.
Reiner Otto
06-12-24, 06:53
Ukraine has been using women in the front lines for over a year, probably longer,What you left yout, is the fact, that the women from UA serving in the Ukrainian army, to fight against the Orks, do it voluntarily. And are NOT former criminals.
What you left yout, is the fact, that the women from UA serving in the Ukrainian army, to fight against the Orks, do it voluntarily. And are NOT former criminals.He always does this. Half truths or outright lies. No sources, no evidence.
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1800436192737145280
Lovely to read this sentiment amongst the Orc milbloggers.
https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/russians-falsely-claim-victory-in-battle-for-ukraine-village-that-hasnt-existed-for-37-years
Orcs falsely claim victory in battle for Ukraine village that hasn't existed for 37 years.
The Russian Ministry of Defense fabricated the capture of two Ukrainian villages in Luhansk and Kharkiv oblasts.
The Orcs have once again lied about the seizure of several settlements, including one that has not existed for 37 years, Nazar Voloshyn, a spokesman for the Khortytsia Operational-Strategic Group, said in a comment to LIGA.net.
On June 11, the Russian Ministry of Defense released a statement claiming that occupiers had taken control of the villages of Artemivka in the Luhansk Oblast and Tymkivka in the Kharkiv Oblast. Voloshyn said that the village of Tymkivka had been abolished in 1987. In addition, Artemivka was renamed Myasozharivka in 2016 as part of the decommunization process.
"Currently, Myasozharivka is under the control of the Ukrainian Defense Forces!" the spokesperson stated.
Again, you guys are delusional. Ukraine has been using women in the front lines for over a year, probably longer, but you guys conveniently leave this out. Why start dealing in Reality now, keep watching CNN and your other crazy liberal channels.Now they are turning to convicts too. The average age of the Ukrainian soldier is 43. What's next, teenagers to the meat grinder? Until the last Ukrainian. Horrific.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainian-parliament-approves-voluntary-mobilization-of-convicts-for-war-ukraine-russia/
https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1801151035722932499
-Moscow Stock Exchange down -15%.
-Largest Russian banks have halted withdrawals.
- Largest Russian banks and brokerages' websites are offline, client logins no longer work.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/argentina-becomes-a-new-member-of-the-ukraine-defense-contact-group/
Argentina became a new member of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group (UDCG) in the Ramstein format.
US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin announced this during a speech.
He stated that he was pleased to see Argentina as a new member of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group.
"I am pleased to welcome Argentina as a new member of the Contact Group. Mr. Petri, I am glad to have you with us. The stakes in this war are high. None of us wants to live in a world dominated by Putin. That is why we have a lot of work ahead of us, and I am confident that this coalition will continue to meet the challenges," the US Secretary of Defense said.
Nice to see this, further cements Milei's position of not aligning with BRICS.
Now they are turning to convicts too. The average age of the Ukrainian soldier is 43. What's next, teenagers to the meat grinder? Until the last Ukrainian. Horrific.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainian-parliament-approves-voluntary-mobilization-of-convicts-for-war-ukraine-russia/One question though: why aren't you concerned when your people are doing the same thing?
Actually, strike that. The Ukrainians don't recruit rapists and murderers. Or female convicts for that matter.
So not the same thing.
One question though: why aren't you concerned when your people are doing the same thing?
Actually, strike that. The Ukrainians don't recruit rapists and murderers. Or female convicts for that matter.
So not the same thing.First of all, I'm not Russian. I do care about the innocent brave Ukrainian people that are suffering from this savage needless war, which could've easily been avoided. And which could've easily been stopped in March 2022 in Istanbul.
With regards to Russia using convicts, that is well documented. Do I agree with it? No, I don't. But now the Ukrainians are doing the exact same thing. That's all I'm pointing out.
https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1801151035722932499
-Moscow Stock Exchange down -15%.
-Largest Russian banks have halted withdrawals.
- Largest Russian banks and brokerages' websites are offline, client logins no longer work.https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399
Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF
An influential global body has forecast Russia's economy will grow faster than all of the world's advanced economies, including the US, this year.
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) expects Russia to grow 3. 2% this year, significantly more than the UK, France and Germany.
Oil exports have "held steady" and government spending has "remained high" contributing to growth, the IMF said.
P.S. UKRAINE IS WINNING.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399
Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMFIMF has been using figures sent in by the Russians without scrutinising them. If you really want to know how the Russian economy is doing, you need to look at other factors, like satellite imagery of industrial production, energy consumption, etc that can be validated without Kremlin stats.
None of those metrics show growth of any kind, rather the opposite, which makes sense considering everything you see in terms of the flight from Russia of the youth and intelligentsia, as well the the effect of the sanctions.
Just look at the figures from GazProm, they are not good reading.
If you seriously believe that Russia is a growth economy at the moment, then buy the dip at the stock exchange.
IMF has been using figures sent in by the Russians without scrutinising them. If you really want to know how the Russian economy is doing, you need to look at other factors, like satellite imagery of industrial production, energy consumption, etc that can be validated without Kremlin stats.
None of those metrics show growth of any kind, rather the opposite, which makes sense considering everything you see in terms of the flight from Russia of the youth and intelligentsia, as well the the effect of the sanctions.
Just look at the figures from GazProm, they are not good reading.
If you seriously believe that Russia is a growth economy at the moment, then buy the dip at the stock exchange.Just to be clear, IMF means USA. I don't think they would be using info put out by the Russians.
Would it be fair to say the sanctions imposed on Russia by the collective west didn't have the desired outcome?
Just to be clear, IMF means USA. I don't think they would be using info put out by the Russians.I think you need to check on this.
As for desired outcomes, the sanctions bleed the Russians and are having the desired effect of weakening their economy and isolating them internationally. So they are working as intended.
First of all, I'm not Russian. Look, somebody calls me a Russian shill, I won't be waiting for days and weeks to react.
There is a famous joke wrongly attributed to Churchill that goes like this. A man is asking a woman:
He: Madam, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?
She: Well, I suppose, I could.
He: How about one pound?
She: How dare you! What kind of woman do you think I am?
He: We’ve already established that. Now we’re negotiating.See, I've never said you're an ethnic Russian, although I think you are (might be wrong, though). But it doesn't matter. You don't need to be Russian to be employed by Russia. And you're not a useful idiot either. No one in their sound mind would simply repeat Putin's soundbites over and over and over again. Everything coming from you, one way or another, has been introduced by Putin's propagandists. No 'honest' useful idiot could talk the way you do.
I do care about the innocent brave Ukrainian people that are suffering from this savage needless war, which could've easily been avoided. And which could've easily been stopped in March 2022 in Istanbul.Right. More bullshit.
With regards to Russia using convicts, that is well documented. Do I agree with it? No, I don't. But now the Ukrainians are doing the exact same thing. That's all I'm pointing out.not the exact same thing. Ukrainians do not recruit rapists, murderers and female convicts, which has been pointed out to you and is also well documented.
Keep doing a great job on this important, decision-making forum, LOL.
First of all, I'm not Russian. Look, somebody calls me a Russian shill, I won't be waiting for days and weeks to react.
There is a famous joke wrongly attributed to Churchill that goes like this. A man is asking a woman:
He: Madam, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?
She: Well, I suppose, I could.
He: How about one pound?
She: How dare you! What kind of woman do you think I am?
He: Weve already established that. Now were negotiating.See, I've never said you're an ethnic Russian, although I think you are (might be wrong, though). But it doesn't matter. You don't need to be Russian to be employed by Russia. And you're not a useful idiot either. No one in their sound mind would simply repeat Putin's soundbites over and over and over again. Everything coming from you, one way or another, has been introduced by Putin's propagandists. No 'honest' useful idiot could talk the way you do.
I do care about the innocent brave Ukrainian people that are suffering from this savage needless war, which could've easily been avoided. And which could've easily been stopped in March 2022 in Istanbul.Right. More bullshit.
With regards to Russia using convicts, that is well documented. Do I agree with it? No, I don't. But now the Ukrainians are doing the exact same thing. That's all I'm pointing out.NOT the exact same thing. Ukrainians do not recruit rapists, murderers and female convicts, which has been pointed out to you and is also well documented.
Keep doing a great job on this important, decision-making forum, LOL.
Four conditions for negotiations with Kiev: what Putin said at Foreign Ministry: Russia considers Ukraine's neutral, non-aligned, non-nuclear status and the lifting of all Western sanctions as a necessary condition - https://tass.com/politics/1803575 and https://tass.com/politics/1803657.
MOSCOW, June 14. / TASS /. Russia today makes another true peace proposal to Kiev, which envisages the recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics, as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions as Russian territories, the consolidation of Ukraine's non-aligned and nuclear-free status, its demilitarization and denazification, and the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with senior diplomats.
Today we are making another concrete, real peace proposal to Kiev, he said.
Putin went on to list Russia's terms for a settlement. As soon as Kiev agrees to these conditions, agrees to completely withdraw its troops from the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions and actually launches this process, we are ready to start negotiations without delay. I repeat, our principled position is as follows: the neutral, non-aligned, non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its demilitarization and denazification. What's more, these parameters were generally agreed upon by everyone back during the Istanbul talks in 2022. Everything was clear regarding demilitarization, everything was spelled out, including the number of tanks, and everything was agreed upon. Of course, the rights and freedoms of Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine must be fully ensured, the new territorial realities and the status of Crimea, Sevastopol, the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions as Russian constituencies must be recognized. In the future, all these basic, principled provisions should be recorded in terms of fundamental international agreements, he said.
All Western sanctions imposed on Russia should also be abolished. Of course, this also means the lifting of all Western sanctions against Russia, the president said.
Putin emphasized that Russia's plan would mean ending the conflict once and for all, not freezing it. The essence of our proposal is not some kind of temporary truce or suspension of fire, as the West wants, in order to restore losses, rearm the Kiev regime, and prepare it for a new offensive. I repeat, we are not talking about freezing the conflict, but about bringing it to an end, the president said.
The Russian leader added that if Kiev and Western countries once again refuse Russia's offer, the settlement conditions will become stricter. If Kiev and Western capitals refuse it, as before, then, after all, this is their business, their political and moral responsibility to continue the bloodshed. Obviously, the realities on the ground, on the line of engagement will continue to change, and not in favor of the Kiev regime. The conditions for the start of negotiations will change, he clarified.
Applauding King's English:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/13/meloni-in-the-pink-as-she-consoles-procession-of-dead-men-walking
Meloni in the pink as she consoles procession of dead men walking.
Patrick Wintour.
Italian PM was all smiles at start of G7 summit as she met parade of haunted-looking statesmen, most of whose days in power are numbered.
Never has a host had so little in common with her guests. Standing serene in a salmon pink trouser suit having topped the poll in the European parliamentary elections, Italy's far-right leader, Giorgia Meloni, waited to greet her fellow G7 leaders. She stood on a small stage under an awning and an azure sky with the backdrop a suspiciously imported-looking olive tree, a pointless rustic water pipe and the brash G7 flags discreetly put to one side so they did not spoil the view's centrepiece – Meloni herself.
To her right was a large stone arch that acts as the entranceway to Borgo Egnazia, the purpose-built "medieval" holiday complex giving celebrities an authentic sense of Puglia's rural life, including a Michelin-starred restaurant, spas and wellness clinics.
In intervals of three or so minutes, haunted-looking world leaders one by one trooped through the arch to be greeted by their host. Hollowed and broken by the electoral battlefield, it was a parade of the living dead. They each received a consoling handshake and photograph with Meloni.
The suited statesmen bore the look of people who knew this was their last such summit, and who if they could would have skipped the opening session on Africa and migration and instead headed straight into the wellness clinic and locked the door.
One of the first through the arch of shame was Charles Michel, the outgoing European Council president reportedly plotting to prevent the commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, from being given a second term. The two top EU officials pointedly did not arrive together, and Meloni is said to be arbiter of von der Leyen's future. Michel was given the quickest of handshakes before being dispatched by the Italian prime minister to sign a pointless-looking piece of declaratory paper, a sort of G7 visitor's book. He looked as enthused as a man signing his own death warrant.
Next through the arch was Rishi Sunak, 21 days away from what may be the biggest Conservative party rout in history. At the last G7 summit, in Japan, Sunak had been the life and soul of the party, wearing the red socks of the Hiroshima baseball team, Toyo Carp. This year the socks were funeral black, and after his now notorious early departure from the-day commemorations in Normandy, his minder's only instruction will have been to stay right until the last glass has been washed and put away. Meloni, an insurgent in office, and Sunak, an incumbent, may be Eurosceptic buddies but are on very different glide paths.
Next through the arch came that great wordsmith, Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, still digesting a set of results in which his party scored 13.9%, a record low for the European parliament, faring worse than the scandal-ridden, far-right Alternative füare Deutschland.
No sooner was Meloni waving off Scholz than the Japanese prime minister, Fumio Kishida, arrived. Two days ago he will have discovered that his popularity had fallen to 21%, a record low. He faces the prospect of being thrown out by his own party in September, and as he was ushered away by Meloni to sign the G7 death warrant, she could have been thinking that here was one man she would not be seeing at the next G7 in Canada.
But if she had pity for Kishida, look who was next. Through the arch of shame came another lame duck, albeit a well-presented one, in the form of Justin Trudeau – blue suit, brown shoes, big smiles and a poll rating that is at a 50-year record low for his party, driven in part by opposition to his green policies. There again, most politicians are hated in Canada. He is widely expected to lose next year.
The next arrival was Emmanuel Macron, the gelignite still on his suit from just having blown up French politics, and in the process possibly destroyed his own party. In their brief exchange Meloni would have been looking for signs of residual sanity in a man recently driven mad by fighting populism. Given that Meloni, with her party's fascist roots, represents much of what he is trying to unmask and defeat in France, the exchange between the two was courteous.
And then, with one leader to go, there was a pause, followed by a further pause, and another one, as Meloni adopted an infinite variety of patient poses waiting for the president of the United States. As time passed, she inspected the water pipe, took a selfie with the photographers, motioned for a chair and even gave a disparaging glance at the nylon flags spoiling the authenticity of her venue.
Meloni may even have reflected on the fleeting nature of power, or on whether Joe Biden's driver had got lost in the medieval village. But then, 21 minutes late, the president arrived, wearing dark glasses and moving gingerly through the arch and on to the stage, a raw display of mortality.
Given the vastness of the G7 agenda over the next two days, and the collective power of the G7 economies, it was not an altogether reassuring opening passage. Perhaps the summit's first session should have been on politics.
Four conditions for negotiations with Kiev: what Putin said at Foreign Ministry: Russia considers Ukraine's neutral, non-aligned, non-nuclear status and the lifting of all Western sanctions as a necessary condition Delusional.
TL: DR Give Russia everything, no reparations, no return of kidnapped Ukrainian children, remove sanctions and don't join NATO so Z team can try again in 5 years.
The Russian leader added that if Kiev and Western countries once again refuse Russia's offer, the settlement conditions will become stricter. If Kiev and Western capitals refuse it, as before, then, after all, this is their business, their political and moral responsibility to continue the bloodshed. Obviously, the realities on the ground, on the line of engagement will continue to change, and not in favor of the Kiev regime. The conditions for the start of negotiations will change, he clarified.Probably the most important part of what Putin said. The longer this goes on, the more territory Ukraine will lose, the more difficult the peace terms will be.
NOT the exact same thing. Ukrainians do not recruit rapists, murderers and female convicts, which has been pointed out to you and is also well documented.
How do you know this? Have you seen the file of each Ukrainian convict that they are recruiting and verified that none of them were convicted for rape or murder?
I think you need to check on this.
As for desired outcomes, the sanctions bleed the Russians and are having the desired effect of weakening their economy and isolating them internationally. So they are working as intended.Ukraine is also winning.
Delusional.
TL: DR Give Russia everything, no reparations, no return of kidnapped Ukrainian children, remove sanctions and don't join NATO so Z team can try again in 5 years.Are you not aware of the fact that Zelensky was ready to accept neutrality in March 2022 in Istanbul? Obviously, the negotiations will have some give and take, but the 4 new territories + Crimea staying with Russia and neutrality for Ukraine are nonnegotiable IMO.
I think the proposition is pretty good. Take it now before he adds Kharkov and Odessa.
Are you not aware of the fact that Zelensky was ready to accept neutrality in March 2022 in Istanbul? Obviously, the negotiations will have some give and take, but the 4 new territories + Crimea staying with Russia and neutrality for Ukraine are nonnegotiable IMO.Having a party that reneges on every agreement is also something that makes terms non negotiable.
Probably the most important part of what Putin said. The longer this goes on, the more territory Ukraine will lose, the more difficult the peace terms will be.No, the most important part of what he said was that they didn't even want to take Kyiv, LOL. What a funny dude!
How do you know this? Have you seen the file of each Ukrainian convict that they are recruiting and verified that none of them were convicted for rape or murder?I know this because the Rada bill specifically states "those who committed serious crimes including murder, rape, terrorism, dealing drugs and treason, will be ineligible to trade their jail terms for the defense of their country. ".
Another reason why I know this is that if the Ukrainians were indeed recruiting murderers and rapists, we wouldn't hear the end of it from you and your "colleagues".
John Clayton
06-16-24, 01:50
... but the 4 new territories + Crimea staying with Russia and neutrality for Ukraine are nonnegotiable IMO.Let's bookmark this post and see how well it ages.
I can be very critical on the accuracy, intentions, omissions and the character of the article, still here it is:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html
And the English text of the documents:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/e548b273c4d42a3a/5e73b566-full.pdf
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ba6c7377883d7829/f5aff231-full.pdf
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/a456d6dd8e27e830/e279a252-full.pdf
Remember, there is another maximum plan as promoted by the former RF President Mr. Medvedev who is a member of the Security Counsel, and who plays a bad cop if you wish, a plan that is shared by many which means total territorial integration of Ukraine into the RF.
As an alternative, the next step may bring forward a creation of a parallel Ukrainian government in Kharkov, which was a capital of Donbass in 1917 and later a capital of Ukraine from 1918 to 1934.
Let's bookmark this post and see how well it ages.Notice Putin didn't mention Kharkov and Odessa. Yet. He hinted at it by saying that the terms will become more difficult the longer this goes on.
At Istanbul 2022 it was just the Donbas and Crimea plus neutrality.
530,000 dead and crippled; 30% of Navy destroyed; targets INSIDE RUZZIA get blown up day in and day out and they issue ultimatums!
What clowns!
Nothing they're saying matters. What this guy's saying -- that matters.
Putin is in no position to make demands of Ukraine for peace, US defense secretary says
BRUSSELS, June 14 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin is in no position to make demands on Ukraine to end the war, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Friday, as he touted Kyiv's military successes confronting Moscow's full-scale invasion.
Putin said earlier on Friday that Russia would end the war in Ukraine only if Kyiv agreed to drop its NATO ambitions, hand over the entirety of four provinces claimed by Moscow, and carry out a demilitarization.
"He is not in any position to dictate to Ukraine what they must do to bring about peace," Austin told reporters at NATO headquarters in Brussels.
Russia controls nearly a fifth of Ukrainian territory in the third year of the war. Ukraine says peace can only be based on the full withdrawal of Russian forces and the restoration of its territorial integrity.
"He's had some hundreds of thousands of troops wounded and killed in this unjust and unprovoked invasion. He could end this today if he if he chose to do that. And we call upon him to do that and to leave Ukrainian sovereign territory," Austin said.
The timing of Putin's speech was clearly intended to preempt Ukraine's Swiss summit, billed as a "peace conference" despite Russia's exclusion, where Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy seeks a show of international support for Kyiv's terms to end the war.https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-is-no-position-make-demands-ukraine-peace-us-defense-secretary-says-2024-06-14
In other news, Zelensky held a peace conference but didn't invite the enemy. Seriously, this is beyond comprehension and absolute madness.
I can be very critical on the accuracy, intentions, omissions and the character of the article, still here it is:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html
And the English text of the documents:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/e548b273c4d42a3a/5e73b566-full.pdf
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ba6c7377883d7829/f5aff231-full.pdf
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/a456d6dd8e27e830/e279a252-full.pdf
Remember, there is another maximum plan as promoted by the former RF President Mr. Medvedev who is a member of the Security Counsel, and who plays a bad cop if you wish, a plan that is shared by many which means total territorial integration of Ukraine into the RF.
As an alternative, the next step may bring forward a creation of a parallel Ukrainian government in Kharkov, which was a capital of Donbass in 1917 and later a capital of Ukraine from 1918 to 1934.The longer this goes on, the more territory the Russians will take. My prediction is that Russia will annex at least 2 more, perhaps a maximum of 4 more Oblasts which means everything east of the Dniper (Odessa included). And the longer this goes on, the more of Ukraine will get wrecked by Russia. Time is not on Ukraine's side, neither is the manpower factor (the most important here).
I think the proposition is pretty good. Take it now before he adds Kharkov and Odessa.Exactly. That's what common sense tells you.
Exactly. That's what common sense tells you.He will not be able to take Kharkiv or Odessa. I'm interested to hear your explanation on how to agree a deal with a party that has reneged on everything so far.
I know this because the Rada bill specifically states "those who committed serious crimes including murder, rape, terrorism, dealing drugs and treason, will be ineligible to trade their jail terms for the defense of their country. ".
Another reason why I know this is that if the Ukrainians were indeed recruiting murderers and rapists, we wouldn't hear the end of it from you and your "colleagues".It's so easy to own you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/16/ukraine-convicts-soldier-shortage-war/
KYIV — To fill a critical shortage of infantry on the front line, Ukraine has embraced one of Russia's most cynical tactics: releasing convicted — even violent — felons who agree to fight in high-risk assault brigades.
More than 2,750 men have been released from Ukrainian prisons since the parliament adopted a law in May authorizing certain convicts to enlist, including those jailed for dealing drugs, stealing phones and committing armed assaults and murders, among other serious crimes.
Reiner Otto
06-16-24, 16:28
which means everything east of the Dniper (Odessa included). Excuse me, you have any idea, where Odessa is located?
This is an indication, that you have no personal connection or knowledge about UA.
In opposition to me, BTW. You can check my old posts.
It's so easy to own you.You conveniently ignore facts, and equivocate things without context. Russia is the aggressor, they are invading, them using prison labour isn't the same as Ukraine using it to save their country from a bloodthirsty dictatorship.
It's so easy to own you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/16/ukraine-convicts-soldier-shortage-war/
KYIV To fill a critical shortage of infantry on the front line, Ukraine has embraced one of Russia's most cynical tactics: releasing convicted even violent felons who agree to fight in high-risk assault brigades.
More than 2,750 men have been released from Ukrainian prisons since the parliament adopted a law in May authorizing certain convicts to enlist, including those jailed for dealing drugs, stealing phones and committing armed assaults and murders, among other serious crimes.Thank you. Yes, it appears that only convicts who kill more than one person are banned from enlisting. That's not what I read about this bill before, but I don't mind being corrected (not that I enjoy admitting when I'm wrong, but I like even less to STAY wrong).
For the record, I believe that a civilized army shouldn't enlist convicted murderers. But at least, the Ukrainians have some restrictions on the offences unlike the Russians who simply take everyone.
In any case, if pointing out a discrepancy means "owning" your opponent, then you've been owned here times and again, and it doesn't seem to bother you one bit. Hey, Reiner owned you just now, so let's see how you're going to wiggle out of that predicament.
The longer this goes on, the more territory the Russians will take. My prediction is that Russia will annex at least 2 more, perhaps a maximum of 4 more Oblasts which means everything east of the Dniper (Odessa included). And the longer this goes on, the more of Ukraine will get wrecked by Russia. Time is not on Ukraine's side, neither is the manpower factor (the most important here).We have to bring a couple of chessboards to discuss it. At the moment the current president of the RF does not want to go further, does not have a mandate to do so, and did not stated otherwise publicly. So far he has been very cautious and has chosen to pay risk premium on timeline. This is a risky strategy but it allows to save lives and methodically increase the army capability and numbers at the front and in reserve since this is a conflict between the US and the RF already where the US and NATO countries finance and arm the bankrupt Ukraine, and Russians fight each other on both sides.
Also, there is no point to end the conflict in animosity. There are multiple ways how to de facto control the territory and the legal agreements play a secondary role.
I don't know how the cards are going to fall but I am pessimistic on the outcome. The Ukrainian government won't sign anything and the intervention of the NATO will end in a disaster and a nuclear conflict. The army is back to old proven military codes not only in engineering on a battlefield.
There is a couple of characteristics that show up time to time in Ukraine: 1) Asinine obstinance as opposed to perseverance 2) Always choosing 'loose-loose' over 'win-win' 3) Biting an apple you don't want to eat.
As for specific regions: the game on the chessboard should make sense. For example, from the military POV Odessa region should be one of the last to be taken, however it would mean that Kiev already had been taken and then the fighting might be over. So, in my view, there are only few options on the table, or a friendly Ukrainian state side by side or no state at all. I prefer the last one but I am afraid I would see none of the two options.
Excuse me, you have any idea, where Odessa is located?
This is an indication, that you have no personal connection or knowledge about UA.
In opposition to me, BTW. You can check my old posts.I know where Odessa is located. That's why I said everything east of the Dniper AND including Odessa which is west, and historically a Russian city.
He will not be able to take Kharkiv or Odessa. I'm interested to hear your explanation on how to agree a deal with a party that has reneged on everything so far.There won't be a deal. What we will get is an ugly peace, a frozen conflict. There are examples of that all over the world. North Korea and South Korea. They never signed a peace deal, did they? You have a DMZ. Cyprus. The Turks took what they could and have kept it. Aren't you familiar with what happened to Georgia after 2008? There are 2 autonomous republics there.
Ukraine will get carved up and become a dysfunctional rump state. The Russians will keep on taking territory until Ukraine either collapses or they take enough territory, and the shooting just stops. The 2 sides have positions that are irreconcilable so you can't really square that circle.
You conveniently ignore facts, and equivocate things without context. Russia is the aggressor, they are invading, them using prison labour isn't the same as Ukraine using it to save their country from a bloodthirsty dictatorship.I was just pointing out that Ukraine is doing the same thing that Russia is doing and exposing the lies by Xpartan.
We have to bring a couple of chessboards to discuss it. At the moment the current president of the RF does not want to go further, does not have a mandate to do so, and did not stated otherwise publicly. So far he has been very cautious and has chosen to pay risk premium on timeline. This is a risky strategy but it allows to save lives and methodically increase the army capability and numbers at the front and in reserve since this is a conflict between the US and the RF already where the US and NATO countries finance and arm the bankrupt Ukraine, and Russians fight each other on both sides.
Also, there is no point to end the conflict in animosity. There are multiple ways how to de facto control the territory and the legal agreements play a secondary role.
I don't know how the cards are going to fall but I am pessimistic on the outcome. The Ukrainian government won't sign anything and the intervention of the NATO will end in a disaster and a nuclear conflict. The army is back to old proven military codes not only in engineering on a battlefield.
There is a couple of characteristics that show up time to time in Ukraine: 1) Asinine obstinance as opposed to perseverance 2) Always choosing 'loose-loose' over 'win-win' 3) Biting an apple you don't want to eat.
As for specific regions: the game on the chessboard should make sense. For example, from the military POV Odessa region should be one of the last to be taken, however it would mean that Kiev already had been taken and then the fighting might be over. So, in my view, there are only few options on the table, or a friendly Ukrainian state side by side or no state at all. I prefer the last one but I am afraid I would see none of the two options.NATO will not intervene. They just want to make Russia bleed using Ukrainians as cannon fodder. This is a battle of attrition. The Russians are slowly destroying AFU and taking territory. They can replace the manpower, Ukraine soon won't be able to. They will keep taking territory until Ukraine either collapses or you reach a point where both sides just stop shooting (an ugly peace like North and South Korea).
The longer this goes on, the more territory Russia will take. I stand by what I said. Russia will most likely take 2 more 4 more Oblasts in addition to the 4 they have annexed (plus Crimea of course). Putin has no interest in western Ukraine where he will face enormous resistance and where there are mostly ethnic Ukrainians.
Reiner Otto
06-17-24, 06:27
everything east of the Dniper AND including Odessa which is westVery doubtful. Will need re-taking Cherson, which then is hard to hold because being on the Western side of the Dnepr, taking Mykolaiv and crossing the Bug river, adding about 200 km frontline on the.
Land and even more on the seaside. But, may be the Orcs, stationed already in PMR, might give it a try. But not so many of them in PMR, and supply very difficult.
BTW, "historically Russian" can be used also also for taking Mykolaiv etc.
But this argument is bull. , because then it is high time for Germany to build atomic weapons, and re-take large parts of Poland, the Baltics and Kaliningrad, of course.
Very doubtful. Will need re-taking Cherson, which then is hard to hold because being on the Western side of the Dnepr, taking Mykolaiv and crossing the Bug river, adding about 200 km frontline on the.
Land and even more on the seaside. But, may be the Orcs, stationed already in PMR, might give it a try. But not so many of them in PMR, and supply very difficult.
BTW, "historically Russian" can be used also also for taking Mykolaiv etc.
But this argument is bull. , because then it is high time for Germany to build atomic weapons, and re-take large parts of Poland, the Baltics and Kaliningrad, of course.Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong. My predictions are before everyone:
The Russians will annex 4 more Oblasts (in addition to the 4 current annexed ones + Crimea).
That is, unless Ukraine sues for peace and accepts the current terms that Putin offered a few days ago, or there is a collapse and you get some sort of ceasefire. The longer this goes on, the more difficult it will get for Ukraine.
Note that at Istanbul 2022, Russia had not annexed Zaporizhya and Kherson. There was no land bridge from Crimea to mainland Russia. Now there is. Russia will never give that up.
My prediction is that Russia will annex at least 2 more, perhaps a maximum of 4 more Oblasts which means everything east of the Dniper (Odessa included).
Excuse me, you have any idea, where Odessa is located?
This is an indication, that you have no personal connection or knowledge about UA.
Hey, Reiner owned you just now, so let's see how you're going to wiggle out of that predicament.
I know where Odessa is located. That's why I said everything east of the Dniper AND including Odessa which is west.Really? That's your save? Dude, you've got to work on your wiggling skills.
I don't know what's more pathetic for a propagandist: this or not knowing where a major enemy city is located.
Oh well, keep hiding your glaring incompetence behind your big words and scary facades. We don't mind, as long as your glamorous army is doing the same thing.
For the record, I believe that a civilized army shouldn't enlist convicted murderers. .So, we can agree that the RF army an AFU are the same in this regard.
John Clayton
06-17-24, 16:21
Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong. My predictions are before everyone:
The Russians will annex 4 more Oblasts (in addition to the 4 current annexed ones + Crimea)...I wish there were a way to bet some money in this forum on potential outcomes.
Really? That's your save? Dude, you've got to work on your wiggling skills.
I don't know what's more pathetic for a propagandist: this or not knowing where a major enemy city is located.
Oh well, keep hiding your glaring incompetence behind your big words and scary facades. We don't mind, as long as your glamorous army is doing the same thing.It's not my fault that you're failing at reading comprehension. Grasping at straws. Scraping the bottom of the barrel. I do understand though.
P.S. Ukraine is winning.
Western leaders now saying Russia was provoked. What took so long?
Western leaders now saying Russia was provoked. What took so long?Getting desperate, huh?
It didn't take long for western leaders to put the moron in his place.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/21/russia-was-provoked-into-ukraine-war-claims-nigel-farage
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/06/22/nigel-farages-claim-that-nato-provoked-russia-is-naive-and-dangerous
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo
Western leaders now saying Russia was provoked. What took so long?Which ones, be specific?
Western leaders now saying Russia was provoked. What took so long?Anyone that has a clue knows that NATO expansion is what caused this war. Plus the coup which removed the democratically elected president of Ukraine in 2014.
NATO expansion into Georgia and Russia were Russian red lines, both of which were crossed. Look at what happened to Georgia in 2008. Look at what is happening to Ukraine now. The collective west doesn't give 2 shits about Ukraine. Ukraine will NEVER EVER join NATO. So, what the fuck was the point of all of this? Ukraine supporters should be asking that question if they had any common sense.
Elvis 2008
06-24-24, 13:28
I wish there were a way to bet some money in this forum on potential outcomes.JC, you can just bet green on a roulette wheel and have the same effect. I am glad you think casinos need the money.
John Clayton
06-24-24, 16:54
JC, you can just bet green on a roulette wheel and have the same effect. I am glad you think casinos need the money.Just sayin' the effect of having some money in the game mitigates some of the more extreme positions people take anonymously on the internet. I imagine, for example, that Blood Red would behave differently if he had to put his own money on the outcome (rather than getting a stipend to repeat Kremlin propaganda). Sure that the future of ICE vehicles is ordained? Buy Chevron stock. Prognosticating on the internet that Russia will triumph? Buy rubles.
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1958997/
On June 23, the Kiev regime, with support from the United States and its satellites, committed yet another heinous terrorist crime against civilians in Russia by firing missiles at Sevastopol. For their terrorist attack, they specially chose a day – Holy Trinity Sunday – one of the most important holidays celebrated by the Russian Orthodox Church.
Four persons were killed, including a two-year-old boy, who was playing on the municipal beach, and a nine-year-old girl. One hundred and fifty-one people applied for medical assistance; 82 persons – 55 adults and 27 children – were hospitalised, many of them in a grave condition. All patients are receiving skilled medical aid.
According to the Defence Ministry of Russia, the attackers used US ATACMS operational missiles with cluster warheads for greater kill ability. All flight data were entered by US military crews based on US reconnaissance satellite inputs. A Global Hawk US reconnaissance drone was on duty off Crimea.
The Investigative Committee of Russia has promptly started an investigation into this crime. All those implicated in this and other terrorist attacks in the territory of the Russian Federation will incur inevitable punishment.
There is no doubt that the United States is involved in this ominous crime. Washington and its satellites have created and nurtured the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev. They are cherishing and supporting their Ukrainian puppets, using them to wage a war against Russia, and encouraging them to commit acts of international terrorism and kill Russian civilians, including with the use of cluster munitions, one of the most terrible types of inhumane weapons. A response to this crime will inevitably follow.
The Western capitals continue to criminally hush up the Zelensky regime's barbarous actions. There are no denouncements from international organisations either. The Russian Federation is again urging them to give a proper assessment to yet another outrage perpetrated by the Kiev regime and the West.
Russia expresses its sincere gratitude for the condolences conveyed by officials from friendly states and by members of the European and US public. The words of commiseration continue to come in.
We commiserate with Sevastopol, where a day of mourning has been announced today. We express condolences to the families and friends of the victims and wish an early recovery to the wounded.
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1958806/
On June 24, US Ambassador to Russia Lynne Tracy was summoned to the Foreign Ministry, where she was presented with a demarche in connection with a new bloody crime committed by the Kiev regime, patronised and armed by Washington, which launched a well-targeted missile attack on civilians in Sevastopol that led to numerous casualties, including among children.
It was stressed that the United States was conducting a hybrid war against Russia and supplying the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the most advanced weapons, including ATACMS missiles with cluster warheads used against Sevastopol residents, which actually made the US a party to the conflict. Moreover, the targeting and flight data entry is performed by US military crews and therefore the United States shares equal responsibility with the Kiev regime for this outrage.
The ambassador was told that Washington's actions of this sort, including its permission to fire at targets in the Russian hinterland, actions that were aimed at encouraging the pro-Nazi authorities in Ukraine to continue hostilities "until the last Ukrainian," would not be left unpunished. Retaliatory measures are certain to follow.
Anyone that has a clue knows that NATO expansion is what caused this war. Putin's belief that he's Peter the Great reincarnate (reinforced by thousands of tongues competing for a spot in his ass in the last 20 years) caused this stupid, suicidal war.
Good news: the former head of St. Petersburg troll factory Ilya Gorbunov has been detained.
On the anniversary of the mutiny carried out in Russia by the late mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Federal Security Service (FSB) has detained a top manager of his purported “troll factory.” Ilya Gorbunov, a former top manager of Patriot media, was detained on June 22 in St. Petersburg, according to the local newspaper Fontanka. Gorbunov has reportedly been accused of extorting money from a member of the Public Chamber and former director of the St. Petersburg television channel. Gorbunov was allegedly responsible for covering the march on Moscow by Prigozhin’s Wagner mercenary force on June 23, 2023.https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-official-arrested-arms-procurement-fraud/32744402.html
Every fascist will get his or her one way or another.
Putin's belief that he's Peter the Great reincarnate (reinforced by thousands of tongues competing for a spot in his ass in the last 20 years) caused this stupid, suicidal war.No, dumbass. Putin tried very hard to avoid a full scale war. That's why there were 2 Minsk accords which Ukraine didn't implement. Angela Merkel is on record saying that Ukraine and the west used that time to arm Ukraine and they had no intention of implementing it. Russia tolerated 2 NATO expansions. When they crossed the Russian red lines with Georgia and Ukraine, Russia acted. Putin warned about this in 2008.
John Clayton
06-26-24, 03:31
No, dumbass. Putin tried very hard to avoid a full scale war. That's why there were 2 Minsk accords which Ukraine didn't implement. Angela Merkel is on record saying that Ukraine and the west used that time to arm Ukraine and they had no intention of implementing it. Russia tolerated 2 NATO expansions. When they crossed the Russian red lines with Georgia and Ukraine, Russia acted. Putin warned about this in 2008.Moderator, this is paid FSB disinformation.
Moderator, this is paid FSB disinformation.Oh, yes it is!
Just as the sky is blue, the sun is hot, and the Pope is still Catholic.
What's your point John? LOL!
Look at it from this prospective.
Stepmother-Russia keeps wasting its very limited resources paying trolls to run their pie holes on a mongering forum. What's the effectiveness of these expenditures?
I say let them.
John Clayton
06-26-24, 16:19
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What's your point John? LOL!
...point is, it is paid political disinformation and a waste of bandwidth -- the poster should be blocked because he is wasting the Earth's precious electrons.
Moderator, this is paid FSB disinformation.You cannot debate or argue my points. Run along now.
You cannot debate or argue my points. Run along now.Can't debate someone that has drunk the FSB cool aid.
The NATO expansion argument has been debunked in this thread multiple times, yet here is again.
Can't debate someone that has drunk the FSB cool aid.
The NATO expansion argument has been debunked in this thread multiple times, yet here is again.How has it been debunked? If Ukraine was neutral, there would be no war right now. And if the west hadn't removed the democratically elected president in 2014 and installed a puppet anti Russian government. Crimea would still be a part of Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't be wrecked today.
So what did Ukraine achieve by sucking up to the west and NATO?
Ukraine will NEVER join NATO.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html
A reminder. The above was written long before the events in Georgia on August 8, 2008 and before the summit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit
At that time there was absolutely no real interest on the part of the people of Ukraine to join the alliance.
For years any success in joining NATO or EU for that matter by Ukraine was described in Ukraine by a phrase that can be translated as 'to shove in the unshoveable'.
Folks who argue for such success can be only described as intellectual hunchbacks, and we got a nice proverb for the kind, 'Only the grave will heal a hunchback'.
How has it been debunked? If Ukraine was neutral, there would be no war right now. And if the west hadn't removed the democratically elected president in 2014 and installed a puppet anti Russian government. Crimea would still be a part of Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't be wrecked today.
So what did Ukraine achieve by sucking up to the west and NATO?
Ukraine will NEVER join NATO.It's not the neutrality you were seeking when you poisoned Yuschenko and propped up a degenerate ex-felon Yanukovich. You wanted IINO Ukraine -- Independent in the Name Only.
And what did Russia achieve other than having shot itself in the balls?
- Two neutral countries have joined Nato.
- The new Nato-Russia border is doubled with an addition of nearly 1,000 miles.
- The Baltic Sea is now a Nato lake.
- The Black Sea in Crimea is not accessible to Putin's fleet anymore.
- Russia proper is being hit every single day.
- Over a thousand of dead orcs daily.
- 530,000 dead and crippled orcs since the beginning of the war.
- Nearly 50% of Russia's economy is working for the war and state security.
Well, boys, you bit more than you can chew. Now chock on it.
Russia hasn't been THIS fucked since 1942.
How has it been debunked? If Ukraine was neutral, there would be no war right now. And if the west hadn't removed the democratically elected president in 2014 and installed a puppet anti Russian government. Crimea would still be a part of Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't be wrecked today.
So what did Ukraine achieve by sucking up to the west and NATO?
Ukraine will NEVER join NATO.Read the threads from 2 years back. You're just parroting the Kremlin, none of what you're saying makes any sense.
- Over a thousand of dead orcs daily.
- 530,000 dead and crippled orcs since the beginning of the war.
.How many Ukrainians have died?
Read the threads from 2 years back. You're just parroting the Kremlin, none of what you're saying makes any sense.You can't debate me.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html
A reminder. The above was written long before the events in Georgia on August 8, 2008 and before the summit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit
At that time there was absolutely no real interest on the part of the people of Ukraine to join the alliance.
For years any success in joining NATO or EU for that matter by Ukraine was described in Ukraine by a phrase that can be translated as 'to shove in the unshoveable'.
Folks who argue for such success can be only described as intellectual hunchbacks, and we got a nice proverb for the kind, 'Only the grave will heal a hunchback'.The pro Ukraine tools on here will ignore that. They will also ignore Putin's famous speech in Munich in 2007 where he spoke about this.
Guys, this is a monger site. Political opinions you can discuss with your mate DTrum. On X but you will never achieve a result. Stop it. Waste of energy.
Talk about fucking, boobs and pussy! There is an oversupply of lonely ladies at the moment in Kiew. No one out on a hunt? . well you better shall know the shortest way to the next shelter and perhaps wear a bulletproof vest. But then, reward is likely to be overwhelming.
No one there to report?
The pro Ukraine tools on here will ignore that. They will also ignore Putin's famous speech in Munich in 2007 where he spoke about this.The same Putin that lied about his intentions just days before he started the war?
Is that the one we have to believe and take seriously?
If you think he will ever keep his word, I have a bridge for sale.
The pro Ukraine tools on here will ignore that. They will also ignore Putin's famous speech in Munich in 2007 where he spoke about this.They better adjust their 46 inch belt and watch a replay of Alley Cat vs Nosferatu debate with one hand in a bucket of chicken wings. They think Pershing was a German brand of laundry detergent.
Meanwhile on June 28,2024, Putin announced the resumption of production of medium- and shorter-range ground-based missiles in the Russian Federation. As always it means deployment decisions already have been made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty
Talk about fucking, boobs and pussy! There is an oversupply of lonely ladies at the moment in Kiew. Please, don't spread lies here. Nothing but hags and hardened skanks left in Kiev. The fresh and pretty left the country.
How many Ukrainians have died?They ain't sent to sure death in meat assaults.
The same Putin that lied about his intentions just days before he started the war?
Is that the one we have to believe and take seriously?
If you think he will ever keep his word, I have a bridge for sale.Ukraine will have to negotiate with Vladimir Putin, and it will.
Reiner Otto
06-29-24, 06:49
Meanwhile on June 28,2024, Putin announced the resumption of production of medium- and shorter-range ground-based missiles in the Russian Federation. As always it means deployment decisions already have been made.
Whats your point here? Putler already since 2018 has Iskander missiles stationed in Kaliningrad. Rockets, capable of nuclear warheads, to reach Berlin or Warsaw. Did NATO attack Russia because
of this reason? Did Germany try to regain former German territory there?
Ukraine will have to negotiate with Vladimir Putin, and it will.Gee, I wonder what happened? Looks like some reality is starting to sink in perhaps. Although I doubt it.
"We don't have too much time," he said, pointing to the high casualty rate among soldiers and civilians.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/28/ukraines-zelenskyy-charting-comprehensive-plan-to-end-war-with-russia
Gee, I wonder what happened? Looks like some reality is starting to sink in perhaps. Although I doubt it.You can't make deals with a nation of liars.
You can't make deals with a nation of liars.As a guy in US trucking, my spidey sense goes off with Ukrainians. Not so with Russians.
Please, don't spread lies here. Nothing but hags and hardened skanks left in Kiev. The fresh and pretty left the country.You are there?
I have proven Infos from Biz Travellers that Nightlive, although reduced, still has ample supply of sex hungry ladies.
Yes, many left. But those are the moms with kids. Not hunting target.
Where is desaster you find opportunities!
As a guy in US trucking, my spidey sense goes off with Ukrainians. Not so with Russians.You should move to Russia ASAP and never leave.
Ukraine has to hold presidential elections and free elections to a new Rada following a suspension of the martial law. It has to agree to the RF's terms to start the true negotiations as opposed to the spring of 2022 farce. The agreement should be verifiable, enforceable and should not be humiliating as the Treaty of Versailles. The RF is not interested in freezing the conflict.
At the moment, as the locals say, there are three types of Ukrainians (said using a derogatory word):
Those living in the left bank (lower bank of Dnieper, to the east) who would agree to surrender Donbass.
Those living in Kiev, who would agree to surrender the left bank.
And those living in the Western Ukraine, who would agree to surrender everything east of the river Zbruch (along the Polish. Russian border of 1921).
However, the Western Ukraine is Russian historic land as well up to the WWI.
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