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Russia experiences deadliest months in Ukrainian with nearly 100,000 soldiers lost
What warring nation can sustain this kind of losses? Seriously!
Yes, it's true that life in Russia is so horrible that people of all ages still sign up for huge $50,000 bonuses. But even if enough new recruits volunteered (there aren't nearly enough) it would cost Russia $5 billion monthly to (ONLY) replace their losses. And that's just the SIGN UP BONUSES that don't include all other military expenditures.
$60 billion annually in the US money just to get them to the frontlines!
One would have to be totally out of whack to believe this is sustainable.
https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/162568/ukraine-conflict-russian-troop-lossesUkraine is winning.
the Russian military bases in Syria are still up for discussion, try to keep up.Discussion with whom? Russia is leaving Syria, have you seen the ships loaded up and fleeing? They aren't welcome there, try to keep up.
I stated facts. The collective west is ultimately responsible for this war and making 2 Brothers fight. They have been doing it for a long time. They made the Shias and Sunnis fight after 9/11 in Iraq with the criminal invasion. None of this is new. Read up on history.Have you asked the Ukrainians if they are brothers with the orcs?
Ukraine is winning.Thank you for noticing.
Incrociatore
02-07-25, 17:53
Ukraine is winning.LOL, what is the name of this movie?
Ukraine is winning.How was your re-education camp? You got me worried for a minute there, but I'm glad your fingers are still working. Unless, that is, somebody's typing for you.
Looks like Blah-Blah was right. Now it's game over for the Ukrainians.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military-organizations/putin-s-troops-are-getting-so-desperate-they-re-using-donkeys-to-supply-ammo/ar-AA1yAuXp
https://youtu.be/a6ZEsMqI0pk (Start at 24.27).
Tremble Europe!
I stated facts. The collective west is ultimately responsible for this war and making 2 Brothers fight. They have been doing it for a long time. They made the Shias and Sunnis fight after 9/11 in Iraq with the criminal invasion. None of this is new. Read up on history.You are 100% correct. It is more specifically the neocons and zionists within the west who are doing this and consequently fomenting hatred and violence across the world.
As if most people in America would be even able to point out where Ukraine is on the map leave alone why "we" are supporting them. Btw, why are "we" supporting Israel with its genocide against the Palestinians?
Though, tbf, I don't think it's fair to tar the entire west with the same brush. Most of Europe did not support invasions of Iraq (as far as I know) or the brutalisation of Palestinians and they are pretty cool on the self inflicted war with Russia too.
Crimea was taken without a bullet being fired or a single person being killed. Why do you think that is? The population there is Russian. They voted to join Russia. End of story.Crimea did belong to Ukraine, like Donbas. Do you want to tell Putin is a angel? When he also tried to fuck elections in Georgia and Romania.
You are 100% correct. It is more specifically the neocons and zionists within the west who are doing this and consequently fomenting hatred and violence across the world.
Btw, why are "we" supporting Israel with its genocide against the Palestinians?
Though, tbf, I don't think it's fair to tar the entire west with the same brush. Most of Europe did not support invasions of Iraq (as far as I know) or the brutalisation of Palestinians You've got it all wrong.
This is a sub-forum dedicated to Ukraine, not the "brutalization" of "Palestinians".
Kindly go to the Israel forum and start a new thread where you can unload on "genocidal" Zionists to your heart's content.
John Clayton
02-08-25, 04:42
You are 100% correct. It is more specifically the neocons and zionists within the west who are doing this and consequently fomenting hatred and violence across the world...Pure, Russian propaganda. Russians launched an unprovoked war of territorial aggression against Ukraine. Want the war to stop? Russians go home.
Discussion with whom? Russia is leaving Syria, have you seen the ships loaded up and fleeing? They aren't welcome there, try to keep up.Well, discussion with the terrorist regime that has taken over Syria unfortunately. The same terrorist regime that is now backed and accepted by the collective west. And make no mistake about it, Al Qaida has taken over Syria. What does that say about the collective west now? Disgusting really.
And yes, if you read up on the news from the last couple of days, the Defense Minister of the new terrorist Syrian regime is on record saying that Russia can keep its bases if there is benefit for Syria. Read up on the news and get back to me.
Here, I will help you out since it is my duty to debunk fake news and to post facts and the truth:
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-could-keep-hold-of-key-syria-military-bases-minister-2025-2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/02/06/syria-defense-minister-russia-bases/
You are 100% correct. It is more specifically the neocons and zionists within the west who are doing this and consequently fomenting hatred and violence across the world.
As if most people in America would be even able to point out where Ukraine is on the map leave alone why "we" are supporting them. Btw, why are "we" supporting Israel with its genocide against the Palestinians?
Though, tbf, I don't think it's fair to tar the entire west with the same brush. Most of Europe did not support invasions of Iraq (as far as I know) or the brutalisation of Palestinians and they are pretty cool on the self inflicted war with Russia too.I respectfully disagree with some of your points.
1. The collective west (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, EU, S Korea), they are all complicit in the genocide in Palestine. Yes, it is the USA that is arming the Zionists but the rest of them are turning a blind eye and their media is also enabling the genocide. Many EU countries are still providing arms to the Zionists. Others are silent. Silence is complicity.
And I totally agree that it is the neocons and the Zionists who are fomenting violence and unrest all over the world. They destroyed the middle east (Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, Lebanon and now they are after Iran) and they are responsible for wrecking Ukraine. They are still trying to create unrest in Georgia and will continue to try in Belarus and I'm sure Moldova.
The leader is the United States. The Europeans are too spineless or stupid now it seems to know what is in their best interest.
LOL, what is the name of this movie?I'd call it Project Ukraine. Which has failed miserably.
Pure, Russian propaganda. Russians launched an unprovoked war of territorial aggression against Ukraine. Want the war to stop? Russians go home.Off to gaga land you go.
LOL, what is the name of this movie?It would be a great movie, on topic freedom defeating a dictator. Putin is shame of Russia and kill so many Russians. Wake up Russians.
Pahllus Maximus
02-08-25, 06:11
Eastern europe has long been a fuckup, Borat is funny because it speaks many germs of truth. Many theories, but like south America, nobody trusts the institutions or beyond tomorrow. Hrrrm, sounds a bit like what the USA has become.
In short, UA was and is hopeless corrupt from its start in 1991 as all the people I know who used to live there will tell you. The old Soviets was slightly better. It seems a Victoria Nuland and arms manufacturers cooked up a scheme and persuaded the equally corrupt politicians (an oxymoron) by wanting NATO that they knew Russia would go ape about. It worked. Nuland went long on the arms industry and last I heard got a bunch of cushy jobs as a payoff. The Obama's and people like Pelosi went big shorter after their 2014 coup and some insider info. There is even a fund that tracks Pelosi, it gets really good returns ! Meanwhile, those running UA have homes in the west and a ton of cash tucked away so they can walk away, just like freedom waving "leaders" in south vietnam fleecing America with their US residency safe in their back pockets and money offshore.
Follow the money, ignore all the slogans and public bullshit. As for the whole Palestine / Israel thing, land is scarce and Israel has enough money and investment in the arms industry to grab some free real estate and get cash, the benefit of stock holdings in the MIC etc, naturally dressed up with the usual bullshit, and I'll bet the other side has similar side deals going on. What is for sure none of them give a fuck about the population they nominally serve. This have been the case for millennia. We are fed retail politics to whip us up into a frenzy and blind us whilst the big boys make off with the big bucks almost in plain sight.
UA women are not that hot. Head to Siberia for smoking hot in looks and in bed, and don't forget Brazil and the Balkans. Lot's of eye candy. Many are extremely skilled in BJ's, they don't neglect the balls, use their little feminine fingers and pretty lips wrapped around your swollen manhood. As it should be. That's something worthwhile to get behind.
I want a hot Russian girl in KGB uniform and fishnet thigh highs using ancient Arabic methods to cause shattering orgasms. Sounds a better aspiration (and achievable) than parroting the retail politics to cover up the rotten core of corruption that knows no border or language barrier. Zalinkski and his pals will soon be sipping prosecco on the shores of Lake Geneva and watching their portfolios, it's all the same club, the differences are just show for the punters.
PS, some typos here, on the AMTRACK rattling past Philly to DC and bedtime.
Eastern europe has long been a fuckup, Borat is funny because it speaks many germs of truth. Many theories, but like south America, nobody trusts the institutions or beyond tomorrow. Hrrrm, sounds a bit like what the USA has become..Excellent mixture of political analysis, stock market tips and sex tips.
You've got it all wrong.
This is a sub-forum dedicated to Ukraine, not the "brutalization" of "Palestinians".
Kindly go to the Israel forum and start a new thread where you can unload on "genocidal" Zionists to your heart's content.So are you okay with what Israel is / has been doing in Gaza? Also, why did you put Palestinians in quotes?
I respectfully disagree with some of your points.
1. The collective west (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, EU, S Korea), they are all complicit in the genocide in Palestine. Yes, it is the USA that is arming the Zionists but the rest of them are turning a blind eye and their media is also enabling the genocide. Many EU countries are still providing arms to the Zionists. Others are silent. Silence is complicity.
And I totally agree that it is the neocons and the Zionists who are fomenting violence and unrest all over the world. They destroyed the middle east (Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, Lebanon and now they are after Iran) and they are responsible for wrecking Ukraine. They are still trying to create unrest in Georgia and will continue to try in Belarus and I'm sure Moldova.
The leader is the United States. The Europeans are too spineless or stupid now it seems to know what is in their best interest.I don't disagree. The Israeli tail wags the American dog the hardest, but it certainly does wag many other western countries too like the UK: we all know about "My AIPAC guy" that every congressman has in America, but the UK for instance has the same nefarious influence via the Conservative friends of Israel and Labor friends of Israel.
My point was to distinguish between the governments and institutions of the west and the people: there are very many just and humane people in the west who aren't racist or hateful. When I was in Spain or Greece, there was substantial prominent support for the Palestinians via flags, graffiti, etc and that too from the Spaniards / Greeks not any immigrants. It's also notable that Ireland is a strong supporter of Palestine, having been brutalised by the English they obviously empathise.
With Ukraine, the media's exertion on the minds of the masses is obvious. Any counter narrative about whether this was a war that could have been averted is suppressed. It really is very disheartening to witness the deleterious impacts of societal group think.
So are you okay with what Israel is / has been doing in Gaza? Also, why did you put Palestinians in quotes?Well of course he is. And the reason he placed "Palestinians" in speech marks is obvious: to deny their very existence and therefore legitimise the ethnic cleansing and their genocide and expropriation of their lands by the Israelis. I can understand racists and facists (I don't suggest it's acceptable just that I can logically understand a racist's / extreme nationalists mindset), it's just the hypocricy that I cannot fathom. How does the mind of a hypocrite work? The necessary cognitive dissonance is remarkable.
In response to the chap earlier about why raise Israel in the Ukraine thread, the reasoning is similar: you cannot condemn Russian invasion of Ukraine without condemning Israel's brutalisation of the Palestinian. Well, you can, but then you are a hypocrite. I hate hypocrisy.
Here, this is about so courageous Ukraine, when Israel and USA who want to eradicate Palestinians have nothing to do with Putin aggressing Ukraine, after he fucked Crimea elections and tried for Georgia, Moldavia and Romania.
Well of course he is. And the reason he placed "Palestinians" in speech marks is obvious: to deny their very existence and therefore legitimise the ethnic cleansing and their genocide and expropriation of their lands by the Israelis. I can understand racists and facists (I don't suggest it's acceptable just that I can logically understand a racist's / extreme nationalists mindset), it's just the hypocricy that I cannot fathom. How does the mind of a hypocrite work? The necessary cognitive dissonance is remarkable.
In response to the chap earlier about why raise Israel in the Ukraine thread, the reasoning is similar: you cannot condemn Russian invasion of Ukraine without condemning Israel's brutalisation of the Palestinian. Well, you can, but then you are a hypocrite. I hate hypocrisy.You nailed it. I know exactly why he put Palestinians in quotes and it is disgusting. These people have dehumanized Palestinians and consider them human animals.
My point was to distinguish between the governments and institutions of the west and the people: there are very many just and humane people in the west who aren't racist or hateful. When I was in Spain or Greece, there was substantial prominent support for the Palestinians via flags, graffiti, etc and that too from the Spaniards / Greeks not any immigrants. It's also notable that Ireland is a strong supporter of Palestine, having been brutalised by the English they obviously empathise.
.Mate I totally agree with you. There are some very good and decent and humane people in the west. When I condemn the collective west, I am talking about some of the pathetic and spineless and shameless governments in power over there, like in Germany, France, UK, etc. The support that say Ireland and Spain have shown the Palestinians is commendable.
Pahllus Maximus
02-08-25, 20:25
What we really need is genetic research so women have a clitoris in the back of their throat and anti-gravity tits. We also need better brains and more empathy. We need more BJ's and less war.
There was a genetic study of arabs and jews, some 1400, and low and behold plenty of inter breeding. The differences are about ideology and religion pushed by politicians and various grifters to steal stuff, segment, differentiate etc for their own games. Same thing with Serbs and Croatia, massive inter breeding and linguistic crossover, but that does not suit. In WW2 the jew status was just a cover story to steal, and this pattern goes on and has been going on probably since caveman A said caveman be (with the better cave, water hole, whatever) was hairier or grunted differently and must be killed and their cave / water hole taken over. Colonialism, a genetic difference of melanocytes (ie skin color) as an excuse to enslave humans (now labelled animals) was built on this same pack of lies to justify exploitation. There are so many variants it get tiresome and boring, but politicians, when young, must marvel at the game and the greed and dreams it excites, just as a teenager learning the ropes from a old con man how easy it is to lie and manipulate with words, rigged side shows etc etc. Much easier than genuine merit, skill or hard work. Most politicians and lawyers (same swamp) are unemployable except as entertainers or menial employment. And they know it!
One you subtract the made up differences, theft and killing no longer looks cool because those you are stealing from are just like us. So they make up nationalistic songs, ridiculous myths, uniforms with ribbons, medals etc to manipulate, no different to a casino that attract the punters with bright lights to fleece them. Politicians depend on the population believing lies, just as con men paint a rosy picture, prey on weakness and greed and also pretend to have empathy and humility. In WW2 they hung "Lord Haw Haw" and others for propaganda, and the world knows about Julian Assange releasing footage "collateral damage" showing the ugly reality behind all the fake slogans of restoring democracy etc. Had the Nazi's won they would have hung Churchill for propaganda. Victors write the "history" or rather the made up narrative.
All the retail politics and breathless indignation of the punters is playing into their hands. What the corrupt politicians fear the most is exposure of their financial interests and parallel lives they keep secret. Nigeria is going through this right now, the French and US installed a corrupt puppet government (living in luxury in Paris and Swiss bank accounts) and brutal suppression to get cheap uranium. Naturally requests for extradition and tacking down the ill gotten gains are met with shrill denials and national security etc, but shows the western leaders to no give a toss about decency or blood money.
All the blame games, victim hood, and anyone who claims the other chap (insert pejorative claims) is X, and thus branded as X, may be mangled and killed. Look over there. But don't look over where as those in charge feather their nests. History is repetitive, con the population, steal, change of guard, repeat. And behind that are war profiteers, in the USA a huge cashed up industry President Eisenhower warned of.
This sounds all very cynical, but its the ugly truth, and its very hard to counter because by definition voters follow IQ distribution, meaning half are below average intelligence and at 2 or more standard deviations you have imbeciles voting. Politicians, like carnival wheel con men, know this and exploit it, just as people with bags of cash are welcomed into their offices but constituents are ignored as irrelevant to graft franchise the political seats are. UA eliminated that abolishing elections in order to save democracy. Typical.
I feel sorry for the young of Ukraine and Russia being mangled and crippled as the victims of their lack of thinking of who benefits and exactly what society they are supposedly fighting for. The Palestinians defined as non-Israel citizens in the area surrounding the current political map of Israel are being pushed out by force as a land grab, and no amount of bullshit can cover that up. If Israel was for real, the UN or a third country would be in there to rebuild and get out guns and bombs by everyone, ie, no material benefit to Israel once the threat was removed. But that was the never game. Your average American is a victim, we become despised and the money spent on killing devices could employ quality teachers, free trade schools, fresh food for kids and other useful stuff, but unfortunately no profit in that for those in charge.
I think it's time for a BJ to clear my mind and put a smile on may face and a mocha cocoa to clear the winter blues. Found a local SA girl, she thinks men are so quickly and easily made happy and affectionate it puzzles her why so many women don't give good BJ's. She thinks its some feminist claptrap and points to so much discussion by men about BJ's that it's easy to deduce they way to win heart, minds and wallets. She's a Ph.D in the sciences and a very sharp cookie. We are fast becoming friends, built on total honesty and happy, quality sex and intelligent discussion readily skewering falsified sacred cows like any good scientist. Apparently genetic engineering of humans is around, underground, and furthermore, the next 20 years will be a golden age of medicine, too bad about the collapsing society we live in :-(. In fact, she had the idea of a clitoris in the back of the throat and some fixes to shoulder tendons and also the tit tendons. I think she is onto something.
Ignore the lies of politicians and algorithm generated crap designed to manipulate your brain. Just follow the money. That's where truth is found.
Peace, health, happiness and prosperity to all.
So are you okay with what Israel is / has been doing in Gaza? Also, why did you put Palestinians in quotes?I couldn't be happier for you now that you've met a long-awaited anti-Semitic russophile soulmate (although it's sad that your newly acquired soulmate doesn't have the guts to respond to me directly). Still I can see how he's made you so chirpy and bubbly, exuberant even. Good for you!
But like I told your BFF -- if you want to discuss the plight of so-called "Palestinians", all you have to do is go to the appropriate section of this forum and start a new thread. That's not too complicated, is it?
This thread is not about Palestine. It's about the blood the Russian Failed Mafia Terrorist State is spilling in Ukraine. Stick to the subject matter.
I couldn't be happier for you now that you've met a long-awaited anti-Semitic russophile soulmate (although it's sad that your newly acquired soulmate doesn't have the guts to respond to me directly). Still I can see how he's made you so chirpy and bubbly, exuberant even. Good for you!
But like I told your BFF -- if you want to discuss the plight of so-called "Palestinians", all you have to do is go to the appropriate section of this forum and start a new thread. That's not too complicated, is it?
This thread is not about Palestine. It's about the blood the Russian Failed Mafia Terrorist State is spilling in Ukraine. Stick to the subject matter.The reason I didn't respond to you directly in the first instance was. As I've said in another thread- because I honoured Mark Twain's admonition: "don't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you through experience".
Your accusations of anti-semitism are as contemptible as they are pathetic- and most reasonable people can see through your lies which people like you use as a shield to commit genocide and get away with it.
As for the reasons for bringing Palestine in the Ukraine thread- that too was explained. Try removing your head out of your posterior to read again, perhaps airing it will help. I doubt it though.
I couldn't be happier for you now that you've met a long-awaited anti-Semitic russophile soulmate (although it's sad that your newly acquired soulmate doesn't have the guts to respond to me directly). Still I can see how he's made you so chirpy and bubbly, exuberant even. Good for you!
But like I told your BFF -- if you want to discuss the plight of so-called "Palestinians", all you have to do is go to the appropriate section of this forum and start a new thread. That's not too complicated, is it?
This thread is not about Palestine. It's about the blood the Russian Failed Mafia Terrorist State is spilling in Ukraine. Stick to the subject matter.Dodged the question like the spineless coward that you are. You're a sick, disgusting racist. And of course, a delusional idiot, that's why it's fun owning your dumbass which I shall continue to do so.
Here, this is about so courageous Ukraine, when Israel and USA who want to eradicate Palestinians have nothing to do with Putin aggressing Ukraine, after he fucked Crimea elections and tried for Georgia, Moldavia and Romania.At least, try to respect courage of Ukrainians here, when this war have nothing with Israel versus Palestinians never ending story.
Elvis 2008
02-09-25, 16:50
Dodged the question like the spineless coward that you are. You're a sick, disgusting racist. And of course, a delusional idiot, that's why it's fun owning your dumbass which I shall continue to do so.The funny part about this is if you say most neocons are Eastern European jews, which they are, you are anti-Semitic, but "Palestinians" is okay. I read some of the most disgusting racist things about them I have ever seen. I wanted to flip the conversations and put in other races to demonstrate the racism. How about those "Jews" or "blacks" or "Mexicans" or "Whites" or "Chinese"?
As for why the Gaza matter is related to Ukraine, it is because the same American groups cheering on the destruction of Gaza are cheering on the Ukrainian war. It would be okay if this was just political support but when we look at USAID money and the NGOs, you can see how many off the book financial transactions were flowing to these positions.
I joked before that Democrats should be happy with Putin as he singlehandedly stopped the pandemic with the invasion of Ukraine. The media went from Covid, Covid, Covid to Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine overnight. In reality, the American people were waking up to the scam that was Covid and with a flick of the wrist, the new symbol that you belonged to the bureaucratic cause went from surgical mask to yellow and blue ribbon.
If you did not wear a mask, you wanted to kill your fellow American. If you did not support Ukraine, you wanted to suck Putin's dick. The people opposed to the war were spewing Russian propaganda but now we know there was a helluva lot more money in having a proUkraine position. We know about the tens of millions that flowed to Politico. Now there is the Internews network. My favorite independent journalist Matt Taibbi posted, USAID has pushed nearly half a billion dollars ($472.6 m) through a secretive US government financed NGO, "Internews Network" (IN), which has "worked with" 4,291 media outlets, producing in one year 4,799 hours of broadcasts reaching up to 778 million people and "training" over 9000 journalists (2023 figures). IN has also supported social media censorship initiatives.
He then responded, Have you ever come across a big piece of plywood lying flat in a field, or a junkyard? Sometimes you pick it up and it's just dirt, and sometimes it's a mass of snakes and maggots and wriggling things. Please bear with me on Internews. This one's going to take a minute.
At this point, as you can see, the biggest pro Ukraine war guys (John Clayton, Paulie97, and Xpartan) were also the most pro Covid guys. With JC, he wrote about how terrible Mexico's covid policies were and then was driving around the whole country banging Mexican strange a month later. I suspect the three guys accusing others of being on Putin's payroll are / were actually on USAID's payroll.
Prior to the pandemic, when I used seeking.com in Mexico City, the best I did was a 7 or 8. Once Covid hit, in one trip, I wound up with four of the 10 types. Nothing like mass Covid driven layoffs to get women more desperate.
As Pahlus says, this is how you deal with the insanity. With so many of the automatic causes, they made no sense until you followed the money. Once you get that, you look for the ways to play it and bang on the cheap. In recent times, that would have been scowering the nearby nations for Ukrainian or Palestinian refugees. Once this war ends, and it will end, maybe it is time to take a trip to Siberia.
If there is any revenge to be had, keep in mind JC, Xpartan, and Paulie, were trying on masks in their basements the whole time Covid was ravaging the world.
It has become apparent now that the same mask loving bureaucracy that so loved destroying our freedoms created Covid to begin with.
With Ukraine, the truth is slowly coming out. If the American / Western bureaucracy did not create this war, they certainly were fundamental in keeping it going to justify their gravy train payouts.
In the USA at least, the DOGE team led by Musk and his pack of zoomers have attacked the bureaucratic swamp faster and harder than ever seen before. The swamp is in retreat as their food source AKA money has been cut off. The bureaucrats have responded with lawsuits postponing things but the inevitable is coming. If you fucking bureaucrats cannot account for how our tax dollars are being spend, then why the fuck do we taxpayers need to keep giving them to you? This privacy and security bullshit will only work for so long.
Had the bureaucrats been willing to settle with Putin two years ago, they would have gotten a much better deal, but Putin is in a much stronger position now. Of course, now we know this was never about the country of Ukraine in the first place. After the Covid narrative was being questioned, the bureaucracy needed a new cause to keep the $ flowing, and that cause was Ukraine.
At least, try to respect courage of Ukrainians here, when this war have nothing with Israel versus Palestinians never ending story.I have nothing but the utmost respect for the innocent Ukrainians caught in this needless savage war instigated by NATO. The Ukrainians fight with honor and my hats off to them for that.
The funny part about this is if you say most neocons are Eastern European jews, which they are, you are anti-Semitic, but "Palestinians" is okay. I read some of the most disgusting racist things about them I have ever seen. I wanted to flip the conversations and put in other races to demonstrate the racism. How about those "Jews" or "blacks" or "Mexicans" or "Whites" or "Chinese"?
As for why the Gaza matter is related to Ukraine, it is because the same American groups cheering on the destruction of Gaza are cheering on the Ukrainian war. It would be okay if this was just political support but when we look at USAID money and the NGOs, you can see how many off the book financial transactions were flowing to these positions.
If you did not support Ukraine, you wanted to suck Putin's dick.
With Ukraine, the truth is slowly coming out. If the American / Western bureaucracy did not create this war, they certainly were fundamental in keeping it going to justify their gravy train payouts.
.I totally agree with so many of your points that I tried to quote them. If you understand Russia's position in this war, you're automatically labelled a Russian or a Putin apologist. This shit is so old. I have nothing to do with Russia, I have never ever even been to Russia but I have followed history / international relations for over 4 decades now so I know the facts.
As far as this Anti Semitism accusation goes, that is also so fucking old now. It's a tool to suppress the truth. Telling the truth is not anti-semitic for fucks sake.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for the innocent Ukrainians caught in this needless savage war instigated by NATO. The Ukrainians fight with honor and my hats off to them for that.Only Putin attacked. Other is only his paranoļa.
Had the bureaucrats been willing to settle with Putin two years ago, they would have gotten a much better deal, but Putin is in a much stronger position now. I had to snip your pet lunacies like masks, Covid, neocons, swam and your perceived connection between Ukraine and Covid because they don't belong in this thread.
But I must ask you this if you don't mind:
1. Why do you believe they would've gotten a much better deal in April 2022?
2. In what way or ways is Putin in "a much stronger position now"?
3. Is it possible that you have no idea about the real military situation in Ukraine and Russia and are just "borrowing" these talking points from Blood Red because he's been regurgitating them forever?
John Clayton
02-09-25, 23:15
...needless savage war instigated by NATO...This is a lie. The war was started by Russia in an act of territorial aggression. NATO did nothing to provoke it. Moderator: the poster should be blocked from posting in this forum.
Pahllus Maximus
02-09-25, 23:51
Facts is that USA via Victoria Nuland and some others destabilized the Russian puppet for a USA puppet (insert usual emotional jingoism, flag waving, freedom, democracy etc). The difference was a dramatic increase in cash from the US treasury to the US arms industry who gave the weapons to uncle same who gave "free" weapons to Ukraine. Meanwhile, various payoffs and side deals flowed to the corrupt insiders of the USA and their various propaganda outlets. Same as the corrupt puppets in South Vietnam with uncle sam paying for phantom armies etc. Really it was a joint venture between arms industry, corrupt US officials encouraging war to unlock cash and the corrupt South Vietnamese puppets. Naturally they used the bogeyman communism / democracy blah blah to keep the gravy train rolling. Same playbook for Ukraine. Zelinksi and buddies have beautiful houses in the west, assured immigration, cash and much more. They don't lose. Neither do the arms industry or the neocons manufacturing or stoking conflict. Israel is the same underling model, a tiny group of Israelis benefit, most get permanent lack of peace and conflict because the tiny group keep pissing off the neighbors and more cash from the USA because of guilt about the holocaust. Once again, peace by everyone getting a slice, stable land rights and taking the "nothing to lose" out of the equation undermines the business model.
The winners are the insiders who made a fortune. The losers are US taxpayers and young people being maimed and killed. Maybe they could skip the killing and directly transfer from the treasury to the insiders and cut out the middlemen so as to do away with the pretense of war being anything other than a fig leaf to cash in.
Peace is clearly against the business model.
We need to have transparency and corrupt leaders or those with official positions and unexplained wealth can be thrown into a penal camp and all their loot (under whatever name or shill) confiscated. They already do this for drug dealers. We need to see the war guys as inflicting death and misery as surely as a meth dealer. Removing all privacy of elected officials would go a long way. The money saved can provide BJ's to create serene minds and calm. Legalizing prostitution in the USA would create many opportunities and keep money within the USA rather than passport bros. I'm happy that President Clinton had BJ's the Oval Room, as apparently did President Kennedy in the 1961 missile crisis. BJ's may have save the world. There is no doubt they calm the male mind and create a happy and positive outlook about life and reduce aggression.
Sex binds us and reminds us of interconnections and social mobility and personal patronage.
Pahllus Maximus
02-10-25, 00:06
See my earlier post on genetics between arabs and jews. Waves of people criss-crossing the planet. Many jews have traces of Chinese from the silk road and mongol invasions, many were deported by the Ottomans from central europe to far flung parts of the Ottoman empire, and so on. War, drought, economic opportunity have all had an impact. So all this talk of "arabs" and "semitic" is nonsense once the DNA is examined. Ancient Babylon was a tumble dryer of genetics. Ancient Rome spread DNA far and wide, especially England.
We are hopelessly intermixed with DNA. Religion and ideology are just labels to justify what is basically greed and stealing of resources from somebody on the other made up side and artificial differences. There is more variation of genetics within causcasions than as between Africans and causcasions.
The "anti-semitic" thing is mostly a reductionist rhetorical tool / trigger to castigate and marginalize anyone who has a problem with the policies of those who claim to speak for the Israeli people, any more its "anti-American" to peak badly of whatever administration is power (virtually all are finacially corrupt and don't give a toss about the population or the future). Another cheap tool to manipulate and divide.
Pahllus Maximus
02-10-25, 00:22
Now can we get back to how the thing in UA can give mongers access to prime young pussy and BJ's?
Russia needs to have embargo lifted to mongers can freely enter Russia and enjoy the Tatars, Siberians and many other smoking hot beautiful young women who are curious about America and Europe guys who are far more polite, better dressed, good dental care, money for nice hotels and than the local guys. In St. Petersburg I had two 20 somethings who left me speechless in their skill set and mastery of male anatomy and nerves. Their frilly lingerie, thigh highs and flashes and bee stung dick sucking lips live on in my dreams. I mean look at that corrupt policy fool John Bolton, prolly has erectile dysfunction from years of anger. Has probably forgotten the joy of young women, if he did, they would gladly have these beauties spreading joy and understanding by human touch and shattering orgasms.
What's everyone here think? Kiev is probably a rubble zone, fuck that. Where are the hot UA women going to? Thank goodness they are not maiming and killing them in conscription, or at least not yet as this scam continues.
Maybe a board of mongers rate hotties, and they can get a chop in their passport and eventually improve the genetics of USA (and happiness in the meantime).
This is a lie. The war was started by Russia in an act of territorial aggression. NATO did nothing to provoke it. Moderator: the poster should be blocked from posting in this forum.How old are you?
How old are you?Age is just a number and is often the same number as their IQs. They remind me of the French SS soldiers, who were the last to defend Hitler's bunker in 1945. The difference is the SS fought. These yobs just spout crap.
Age is just a number and is often the same number as their IQs. They remind me of the French SS soldiers, who were the last to defend Hitler's bunker in 1945. The difference is the SS fought. These yobs just spout crap.French defending Hitler bunker?
This is a lie. The war was started by Russia in an act of territorial aggression. NATO did nothing to provoke it .Yes, only because of crazy shameful Putin who also kill many Russians. They should get rid of him and would then get a better life.
This is a lie. The war was started by Russia in an act of territorial aggression. NATO did nothing to provoke it. Moderator: the poster should be blocked from posting in this forum.Whether you agree with him or not or whether he is telling something true or not if your first impulse is to demand someone be censored or blocked for opinions then you seriously need to consider your mindset. The irony is your mentality is more in conformance with an unfree society such as Russia.
See my earlier post on genetics between arabs and jews. Waves of people criss-crossing the planet. Many jews have traces of Chinese from the silk road and mongol invasions, many were deported by the Ottomans from central europe to far flung parts of the Ottoman empire, and so on. War, drought, economic opportunity have all had an impact. So all this talk of "arabs" and "semitic" is nonsense once the DNA is examined. Ancient Babylon was a tumble dryer of genetics. Ancient Rome spread DNA far and wide, especially England.
We are hopelessly intermixed with DNA. Religion and ideology are just labels to justify what is basically greed and stealing of resources from somebody on the other made up side and artificial differences. There is more variation of genetics within causcasions than as between Africans and causcasions.
The "anti-semitic" thing is mostly a reductionist rhetorical tool / trigger to castigate and marginalize anyone who has a problem with the policies of those who claim to speak for the Israeli people, any more its "anti-American" to peak badly of whatever administration is power (virtually all are finacially corrupt and don't give a toss about the population or the future). Another cheap tool to manipulate and divide.Wait, wait, wait. My man, are you seriously suggesting that the blue eyed, blond jewess I once fucked wasn't 100% semite and that somehow across the hundreds of years of her ancestors' presence in Europe her inherited genepool was admixed with the local European genes? Well I would infer from that that her therefore her entitlement to a homeland that her people left 2000+ years ago is perhaps slightly less than those who have been there for 1000+ years. And that is a dangerous inference to make; it's anti-semitic.
How dare you, sir! You anti-semite!
Elvis 2008
02-10-25, 17:17
I had to snip your pet lunacies like masks, Covid, neocons, swam and your perceived connection between Ukraine and Covid because they don't belong in this thread.
But I must ask you this if you don't mind:
1. Why do you believe they would've gotten a much better deal in April 2022?https://www.ft.com/content/4351d5b0-0888-4b47-9368-6bc4dfbccbf5
Ukraine was in desperate need of new weaponry as its frontline buckles and Russian forces make gains on the battlefield at a faster rate than at any point since 2022.
2. In what way or ways is Putin in "a much stronger position now"?Russia has mobilized a force of about 50,000 soldiers, including 10,000 from North Korea, in a fresh attempt to push the Ukrainians out of Kursk, according to Zelenskyy and Ukrainian and western intelligence officials.
Losing Kursk would deprive Zelenskyy of a valuable bargaining chip in any upcoming talks with Russia.
3. Is it possible that you have no idea about the real military situation in Ukraine and Russia and are just "borrowing" these talking points from Blood Red because he's been regurgitating them forever?LOL. No, multiple sources have confirmed Ukrainian losses besides FT. The whole Kursk thing, which is supposed to be this big Ukrainian victory, is 600 square kilometers. That is a 20 x 30 km area or a 12 x 15 mile area. Yeah, that is not anything to write home about.
On the economic front, the war of attrition between Russia and Europe has been waged, and Europe has lost. If you look at the USA, you Democratic douches want everyone to look at job numbers and GDP and unemployment rate and take the focus off of the debt number and the amount going to pay interest on USA debt.
The problem is every dollar we have to borrow to pay for this stupid war makes the ones in my wallet less valuable. If you want my opinion of you Xpartan, it is frustrating to me that you are too dense to understand this fact.
It is no surprise you douches do not want to talk about Covid. Yeah, the asinine response to it was just $20 trillion. Granted this fuckery is a lot less than that, but it is still stupid. And while you and your neocon buddies keep droning on about Hilter, you seem to have forgotten one important difference. WE HAVE FUCKING NUKES!
Yeah, no shit you do not want to debate Covid. It is because almost everything about it was as big a fucking lie as is the case here, and you are back to your same sources. My God, man, haven't you learned anything from DOGE and the government money being spewed to report one side of the story and censor the other?
It is funny Paulie was ragging on guys griping about travel bans and "irresponsible" mongers. Of course, the travel bans were bullshit. The same goes here. Mongers cannot play in Ukraine and Russia. Oh yes, just like Covid, this stupid war is so much more important than that. My God, how much better the world would be if men were able to use their hard earned dollars for women versus weapons systems? Being able to blow up the world 100 X over is not enough?
I cannot wait until DOGE meets the DOD.
The reason I didn't respond to you directly in the first instance was. As I've said in another thread- because I honoured Mark Twain's admonition: "don't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you through experience".
Your accusations of anti-semitism are as contemptible as they are pathetic- Here is a little tip for you and all other anti-Semites who would like to remain cryptic on the Internet.
If you want to hide your anti-Semitism, lose the word "Zionists". Just remove it from your vocabulary. Only anti-Semites (actually, only RABID anti-Semites like so-called Palestinians, Middle-Eastern / Iranian propagandists and neo-Nazis) use the word "Zionists" with the same connotation you do.
Also, maybe go easy on the words like "jewess", which is a taboo for non-Jewish people. What you want to say is "Jewish woman" or "Jewish girl", not "jewess". Then, don't skimp on capital letters. I mean seriously, I know it's hard, but try. Next time type "Jew" instead of "jew" and "anti-Semitic" instead of "anti-semitic" and see if it doesn't throw you off-balance. I know acknowledging that Jews are people too might make you depressed, but on the bright side you won't have to ignore those red squiggly lines so hard.
Of course, all that won't make you any less anti-Semitic than you are, but it never was a goal, was it?
Here is a little tip for you and all other anti-Semites who would like to remain cryptic on the Internet.
If you want to hide your anti-Semitism, lose the word "Zionists". Just remove it from your vocabulary. Only anti-Semites (actually, only RABID anti-Semites like so-called Palestinians, Middle-Eastern / Iranian propagandists and neo-Nazis) use the word "Zionists" with the same connotation you do.
Also, maybe go easy on the words like "jewess", which is a taboo for non-Jewish people. What you want to say is "Jewish woman" or "Jewish girl", not "jewess". Then, don't skimp on capital letters. I mean seriously, I know it's hard, but try. Next time type "Jew" instead of "jew" and "anti-Semitic" instead of "anti-semitic" and see if it doesn't throw you off-balance. I know acknowledging that Jews are people too might make you depressed, but on the bright side you won't have to ignore those red squiggly lines so hard.
Of course, all that won't make you any less anti-Semitic than you are, but it never was a goal, was it?Pot calling the kettle black, is that a phrase you've heard before you Palestinian dehumanising piece of excrement?
You reference nazis yet stand up and excuse nazi behaviour when it's perpertrated towards the Palestinians.
I guess the ownership of the entire American government apparatus and the media makes you zionists think you can gaslight people into thinking up is down, wrong is right, black is white, and for the most part you are right: that's exactly what you have done successfully. But there will be people like on this board who see through your inveigling lies and evilness.
Here is a little tip for you and all other anti-Semites who would like to remain cryptic on the Internet.
1. If you want to hide your anti-Semitism, lose the word "Zionists". Just remove it from your vocabulary. Only anti-Semites (actually, only RABID anti-Semites like so-called Palestinians, Middle-Eastern / Iranian propagandists and neo-Nazis) use the word "Zionists" with the same connotation you do.
2. Also, maybe go easy on the words like "jewess", which is a taboo for non-Jewish people. What you want to say is "Jewish woman" or "Jewish girl", not "jewess". Then, don't skimp on capital letters.
3. Next time type "Jew" instead of "jew" and "anti-Semitic" instead of "anti-semitic" ?1. Zionists is a word with many connotations. The original one being the earlier European atheists who wished to return to Zion (their mythical Jerusalem).
2. Jewess, actress etc is a function of the quality of English one speaks and nothing more, no matter who takes offence.
3. Many Zionist apologists spell semitic wth a lower case s. Some use a hyphen, others do not. It is stylistic and not political. As regards capitalising Jew, letter case is a relatively recent invention. Classical Latin and Greek did not use letter case. This is called being unicase or unicameral (as opposed to bicameral). Unicase scripts today include Arabic, Hebrew, Georgian, and Hangul. Minuscule letters didn't always come directly from uppercase, but evolved alongside their majuscule counterparts. Like Greek and Latin A and a /945;. Both come from the same Phoenician letter 𐤀, but one developed through carving and the other through hand written text simultaneously. "Unicameral" literally means "one chamber" which seems like a funny term to apply to script but works perfectly for legislative bodies that are classified according to whether they have one or two chamber. The word case in lower case refers to a literal case publishers carried fonts in, and a case is like of like a tiny chamber in a way so maybe that's the connection. (Modern) Hebrew has different sets of symbols for print and for hand writing. It sounds like they probably evolved in the same way but Jews / jews don't mix them.
Pahllus Maximus
02-12-25, 01:13
Totally agree. $1 TRILLION a year in interest snowballing with all the war American cannot afford. Nukes are bad for business, health, happiness and prosperity. "Conventional" weapons are horrible, anyone who has seen 3rd degree burns, shattered eardrums, hydrostatic shock from projectiles and cowardly killer drones would know. I've NEVER met a combat soldier who has seen it up front and personal wants it again, assuming they are not rabid psychos. It's VERY expensive once future VA costs, contractors and lots of hidden extras are factored in. The only good bit is that gets a cohort of young men off the streets in Slumville, USA and puts some structure in their lives for a few years but also dumbs them down.
A trillion dollars in $100 notes 10,342,800 square kilometers. The area of the USA is 9,147,590 square kilometers (depends on continental and scattered islands). That means covering every inch of America in $100 bills for every trillion. Whichever way you stack the numbers, unfunded pensions, car loans, credit card debt, student loans, medicare, bonds etc is into double digit trillions. This is never going to be repaid. And eventually the world will wake up that the USD is a paper tiger.
The money should go to chasing beautiful young women who are full of life and joy and teaching BJ techniques, and getting smart teachers imparting real skills in food buying and preparation, critical thinking, basic math & sciences and courtesy and manners. Problem we have is a totally corrupt congress betraying the population at the bidding of their behind the scenes paymasters. I met a US congressman in Thailand (discovered after few days on a tour), good taste in women and very straight up about his buying a grifter franchise and mining it while he could. I'll remain discreet, but was told his attitude is the norm. He explained constituents were whiny, entitled, never thankful and his office produced "lawn clippings" for the air force academy recommendations, in one case for a downs syndrome kid, many others barely literate in their request, and lots of retail politics he described as entertainment and a product.
Lastly, I see no response about the genetics and the anti-semitism label being the cheap school boy debating team (3rd rate at that) to discredit the person rather than the substance.
I'm off to score with a young lady in fishnets and pirate smile! Chase joy, not some failed ex soviet state and its corrupt junta, each "new" face being like one of the carnival stands you poke your face through.
PaulInZurich
02-12-25, 19:41
Losing Kursk would deprive Zelenskyy of a valuable bargaining chip in any upcoming talks with Russia.
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The whole Kursk thing, which is supposed to be this big Ukrainian victory, is 600 square kilometers. The "Kursk thing" shows that Russia's only strength is that they have nukes. The only problem with nukes is that once anybody uses them, everybody else uses them and then bye bye everybody.
BTW, it's nice when a pro Russian admits that Russians need North Koreans for fighting, not just their ammo.
PaulInZurich
02-12-25, 19:48
Age is just a number and is often the same number as their IQs. They remind me of the French SS soldiers, who were the last to defend Hitler's bunker in 1945. The difference is the SS fought. These yobs just spout crap.The 33rd Charlemagne. After 1944 they created quite a few of these units with foreigners, including Albanians, Indians, moslems, etc.
PaulInZurich
02-12-25, 19:54
I cannot wait until DOGE meets the DOD.DOD budget will never be cut. Maybe they will come up with something about some toilets costing 10 k, when this type of stuff is used to cover secret stuff that isn't supposed to be known by the public and things like this were questioned decades ago. Then nothing will happen.
You never answered a simple question: Why do you believe Ukraine could've gotten a better deal in 2022 than now. Well, let me help.
They wouldn't.
In the early stages of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, both nations engaged in a series of negotiations aimed at halting the conflict. These discussions, held between late February and April 2022, revealed distinct and often opposing objectives from each side.
What the Russians wanted:
1. Neutrality and Demilitarization: Russia insisted that Ukraine enshrine a neutral status in its constitution. That means forever.
2. Russia demanded significant reductions in Ukraine's military capabilities, proposing a drastic downsizing of the Ukrainian army to about 50,000 personnel, along with strict limitations on armaments and military infrastructure.
3. Territorial Concessions: Moscow required Ukraine to recognize Russia's sovereignty over Crimea and autonomy for the ethnic Russian provinces in eastern and southeastern Ukraine. .
4. Cultural and Political Concessions: The Kremlin demanded that Ukraine grant the Russian language official status and implement laws that would align with Russian perspectives on historical and cultural issues.
As if that wasn't completely unacceptable for any sovereign nation, the Ukrainians soon kicked the Russians' ass north of Kyiv and Putin's mass atrocities in Bucha were discovered.
When you parroted Russian propocondom's Blah Blah, were you aware of these demands? Did you apply an effort to find out anything about these negotiations? Do you understand that Putin issued these demands in bad faith knowing they would be unacceptable?
And it doesn't matter how much or how little of the Kursk territory the Ukrainians have liberated. The important thing is there hadn't been any foreign troops on Russian land for the last 80 years. Even more telling is that they've been unable to kick them out for SIX MONTHS. This is a humiliation of cosmic proportions for Putin and his Failed Fucked-Up Fascist Mafia State.
And yes, they did bring in over 60,000 troops vs less than 20,000 Ukrainians, and yet, the Ukrainians just counter-attacked and improved their positions around Sudja. What does it tell you about the capabilities of Putin's so-called army, you brain-dead lunatic? https://www.nprillinois.org/2024-05-06/the-story-behind-2022s-secret-ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations.
https://www.nprillinois.org/2024-05-06/the-story-behind-2022s-secret-ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-peace-talks.html
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/ukraine-russia-war-peace-diplomacy
That brings us to the second part of the idiotic notion that Ukraine would've have gotten a better deal in 2022 than now.
May I humbly ask why?
By April 2022 Russia had occupied around 20% of Ukraine.
By February 2024 Russia has occupied around 20% of Ukraine.
So what the fuck makes you believe that Putin is in better position today, huh dimwit?
Yes, they did make some incremental gains in Donbas, but they lost the whole right-bank Kherson.
And, may I remind you about 600 square km of the historically Russian Kursk (actually should be more now after the recent counterattack).
And Russian economy is circling the drain -- wasn't the case in 2022.
And Russian losses are nearly 900,000 with up to 300,000 fatlities -- wasn't the case in 2022.
And Russian cannon fodder is coming to the end, so much so that Russians are sending their badly-wounded troops, even on crutches into senseless and deadly storm attacks -- wasn't the case in 2022.
So Elvis -- STFU, will you? Talk about something you know (if there is anything you do know, of course).
Here is a little tip for you and all other anti-Semites who would like to remain cryptic on the Internet.
If you want to hide your anti-Semitism, lose the word "Zionists". Just remove it from your vocabulary. Only anti-Semites (actually, only RABID anti-Semites like so-called Palestinians, Middle-Eastern / Iranian propagandists and neo-Nazis) use the word "Zionists" with the same connotation you do.
Also, maybe go easy on the words like "jewess", which is a taboo for non-Jewish people. What you want to say is "Jewish woman" or "Jewish girl", not "jewess". Then, don't skimp on capital letters. I mean seriously, I know it's hard, but try. Next time type "Jew" instead of "jew" and "anti-Semitic" instead of "anti-semitic" and see if it doesn't throw you off-balance. I know acknowledging that Jews are people too might make you depressed, but on the bright side you won't have to ignore those red squiggly lines so hard.
Of course, all that won't make you any less anti-Semitic than you are, but it never was a goal, was it?
I guess the ownership of the entire American government apparatus and the media makes you zionists think you can gaslight people into thinking up is down, wrong is right, black is white, and for the most part you are right: that's exactly what you have done successfully. But there will be people like on this board who see through your inveigling lies and evilness.Right, and this is yet another thing that anti-Semites shouldn't say out loud (well, other than amongst your ilk) if you don't want others to know what you are. Thanks for illustrating my point and bringing it to my attention.
Boy, anti-Semites are so easy, LOL. They just can't help it.
This tweet by Musk indicates conman Zelensky wil not be around for much more. The only question now is what to do with him. Is hanging too good for him, or sohuld he be skinned alive?Really? I'm seeing Trump's tweet, not Musk. This is extremely unprofessional, Igor#3.
Trump will stir the peace negotiations in Putin's favor, no matter what he says. His mission is to make Putin happy, and he won't deviate. Jesus Christ, I can't believe that even Ukrainians have fallen in this trap!
Trump has become much more disciplined than he was in 2016. He's not running his mouth like before because there're still Repubs who're supporting Ukraine, and he doesn't want them to lose their face.
So when he and his merry-banders do run their mouths, it's not a bug, it's a feature. A clear and public signal to Putin how much slack they're willing to cut him.
Ukraine may be Russian someday, Trump says ahead of Vance-Zelensky meeting
US President Donald Trump suggested that Ukraine may be Russian someday, throwing into question the future independence of a sovereign country that, with Western backing, has defended itself against Moscows full-scale invasion for nearly three years.
Trump discussed his administrations effort to end the war in an interview with Fox News that aired Monday, ahead of a meeting tabled for this week between his vice president, JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
They (Ukraine) may make a deal, they may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday, Trump said. He stressed that he also wanted to see a return on investment with US aid for Ukraine, again floating the idea of a trade for Kyivs rare earth minerals.
The US presidents comments will likely delight the Kremlin, which has illegally annexed four Ukrainian regions since launching its full-scale invasion and seeks Ukraines total submission.https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/11/europe/ukraine-russia-trump-zelensky-intl/index.html
Russia is popping champagne': Onlookers blast Pete Hegseth after big Ukraine announcement
U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth gave away a major bargaining chip on Ukraine even before negotiating a settlement to end its war with Russia.
The United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement, Hegseth said, stressing that no U.S. troops would be deployed to the country.
Experts weren't exactly surprised by Hegseth's comments or his tone, but they said the defense secretaries comments signaled a win for Russia and its president Vladimir Putin.
"They just surrendered one of the main points of leverage before negotiations even begin," posted former State Department spokesman Matthew Miller.
"There it is," added national security lawyer Bradley Moss. "They're going to surrender territory."
"And there it is," agreed Justin Baragona, senior reporter for The Independent. "The Trump administration is essentially handing Ukraine over to Putin."https://www.rawstory.com/pete-hegseth-ukraine-2671142575
There is only one hope for Ukraine -- to hold on for the next 4 years hoping that Europe won't budge.
Elvis 2008
02-13-25, 06:16
Trump will stir the peace negotiations in Putin's favor, no matter what he says. His mission is to make Putin happy, and he won't deviate. Jesus Christ, I can't believe that even Ukrainians have fallen in this trap!Yeah, I wonder how many people are like you saying this Trump Russia collusion bullshit with one hand and sucking up tax dollars with the others. It is amazing that you are so committed to type on a keyboard like a coward versus fighting.
https://www.azernews.az/region/237543.html
Very interesting facts about Samantha Power, the former head of USAID, have been revealed. So, it is mentioned in the report that ex-USAID Chief Samantha Power's net worth skyrockets from $6. 7 M TO $30 M on a $180 K salary.
On July 4, 2008, Power married law professor Cass Sunstein, whom she met while working on the Obama campaign.
Sustein is a "Palestinian" name right Xpartan? Hell, if his wife made that kind of scratch, how much did yours? If you are not married, maybe you should marry a "Palestinian" like that too.
So when you are banging hookers in Brazil Xpartan do you pay for them on your card or ours?
But don't worry you got all those New York "Palestinian" judges are running interference on Trump. The gravy train has not yet stopped.
Reiner Otto
02-13-25, 07:20
There is only one hope for Ukraine -- to hold on for the next 4 years hoping that Europe won't budge.I suspect, quite a few Ukrainian engineers and researchers are already planning their Ukrainian nukes. Should not be difficult for them to do a dirty bomb, at least.
Zelenski was fully right to resist to a criminal like Putin, despite corruption, he has all my respect to defend freedom versus a shameful dictator. Ukrainians are very courageous.This clown Zelensky stole billions of dollars, destroyed a generation of his country's young men and wrecked his country by choosing to go along with NATO and their wishes. What did he achieve? Is Ukraine ever going to be a part of NATO? NO. I said this from day 1. So what was the point of all this sucking up to NATO? Other than pocketing billions of dollars of course. If he still has your respect after all that, then.
You never answered a simple question: Why do you believe Ukraine could've gotten a better deal in 2022 than now. Well, let me help.
They wouldn't.
In the early stages of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, both nations engaged in a series of negotiations aimed at halting the conflict. These discussions, held between late February and April 2022, revealed distinct and often opposing objectives from each side.
What the Russians wanted:
1. Neutrality and Demilitarization: Russia insisted that Ukraine enshrine a neutral status in its constitution. That means forever.
2. Russia demanded significant reductions in Ukraine's military capabilities, proposing a drastic downsizing of the Ukrainian army to about 50,000 personnel, along with strict limitations on armaments and military infrastructure.
3. Territorial Concessions: Moscow required Ukraine to recognize Russia's sovereignty over Crimea and autonomy for the ethnic Russian provinces in eastern and southeastern Ukraine. .
4. Cultural and Political Concessions: The Kremlin demanded that Ukraine grant the Russian language official status and implement laws that would align with Russian perspectives on historical and cultural issues.
Those terms are correct in 2022. And if you pull your head out of your ass, you'd know that Zelensky was okay with those terms and a peace deal was ready to be signed until Boris Johnson / NATO told Zelesnsky to fight on.
And what are the terms on offer now? Crimea + full Russian control of the 4 new territories + neutrality and all the other stuff you mentioned. The longer this goes on, the more difficult the settlement terms will get. That is something which your dumbass fails to grasp because you're either delusional, stupid or ill informed. I think it's a combo of all three in your case but happy to educate you.
There is only one hope for Ukraine -- to hold on for the next 4 years hoping that Europe won't budge.Well, that's not going to happen. As soon as America stops the $$ and weapons, Ukraine will negotiate and cede territory and accept the core Russian demands. Of course, this will be a negotiation so there will be give and take, but I think at a minimum, the Russians will demand the below (in addition to other stuff and yes there may be some give or take):
1. No NATO. Neutrality for Ukraine.
2. Full control of the Donbas and Zap / Kherson. Now there could be some give and take here, let's see.
3. Crimea forever part of Russia.
If there is no peace in the near future, my prediction is that the Russians will take Odessa and Kharkov, and possibly 2 more oblasts. So once again, the longer this goes on, the more territory Ukraine will lose and more wrecked it will become.
Really? I'm seeing Trump's tweet, not Musk. This is extremely unprofessional, Igor#3.Musk tweeted it. Why dodn't you disappear, now that your freak, Zelensky, has lost. The EU and the Brits are begging tobe at the negotiations. Ha ha. They wil be left with cry baby Zelensky and his butt boys like you. I take it you are a bottom.
Zelenski was fully right to resist to a criminal like Putin, despite corruption, he has all my respect to defend freedom versus a shameful dictator. Ukrainians are very courageous.Zelensky is a corrupt, criminal dictator. He has no mandate. Yes, the Ukrainians who rest his press gang, are brave, and those who die for this scheming Jewish criminal are dead.
Zelensky is a corrupt, criminal dictator. He has no mandate. Yes, the Ukrainians who rest his press gang, are brave, and those who die for this scheming Jewish criminal are dead.Putin is a dictator and criminal, he is even scared to travel because of international law prosecution. Like a rat in his country. Ukrainians followed Zelinsky since 2022 , to defend their land and freedom. I love country Russia, but I support Zelinsky and Ukrainians for this war only Putin decided. I wish Ukraine won t accept to be fucked by Trump and Putin, when EU is with Ukraine.
This clown Zelensky stole billions of dollars, destroyed a generation of his country's young men and wrecked his country by choosing to go along with NATO and their wishes. What did he achieve? Is Ukraine ever going to be a part of NATO? NO. I said this from day 1. So what was the point of all this sucking up to NATO? Other than pocketing billions of dollars of course. If he still has your respect after all that, then.Ukrainians don t want to belong to Putin, like blind Russians under propaganda. And Putin killed so many Russians who are against him and on this war. Ukraine had experience to be stolen Crimea, reason why they ask for protection, but not to attack paranoiac criminal Putin. No country never planned to attack Russia. Only Putin made war and Russia broke.
Right, and this is yet another thing that anti-Semites shouldn't say out loud (well, other than amongst your ilk) if you don't want others to know what you are. Thanks for illustrating my point and bringing it to my attention.
Boy, anti-Semites are so easy, LOL. They just can't help it.Why should I not say it out loud if it happens to be the truth?
And the fact that you constantly make ad hominem attacks and tell me I shouldn't say something factual because I am then a xyz. Pretty much proves my point about you, hypocrite.
What's even more hypocritical is that you dodged the point of how your attempt of suppression of the truth is more in line with the ideology of Russia, which you are deriding.
Will say one thing about HotDog666 and Sirioja. They are consistent as fuck! Running flame wars across multiple country RANT threads. And Sirioja even in the American Politics Thread.
Putin is a dictator and criminal, he is even scared to travel because of international law prosecution. Like a rat in his country. Ukrainians followed Zelinsky since 2022 , to defend their land and freedom. I love country Russia, but I support Zelinsky and Ukrainians for this war only Putin decided. I wish Ukraine won t accept to be fucked by Trump and Putin, when EU is with Ukraine.Zelernsky, who is not "really" Ukrainian (raised speaking Russian and is from a minority group) has no mandate and refuses to hold elections. Putin's travel options were limited because British agent Khan put out a contract on him, But Putin will travel to Saudi or to China to put an end to Zelensky, who was elected on a peace mandate he reneged on, with Trump.
Trump has shown Europe, whose FM is an Estonian nobody raised in Soviet privilege, they are irrelevant. Gemany and France reneged on the Minsk Accord and they should bleed for that with some tough Rusisan love.
Elvis 2008
02-13-25, 17:55
You never answered a simple question: Why do you believe Ukraine could've gotten a better deal in 2022 than now. Well, let me help..And your point is what? That the billions of dollars spent and millions who died was for nothing? If the deal today is the same as it was in 2022, then it was pretty fucking stupid that Zelensky did not take it.
And your point now is that this stupid fucking war should continue?
I think you dumb Democratic douches do not get why you even fucking lost the election. When people were losing their homes in North Carolina, that idiot Kamala brought up DEI language. And when there is all this money for illegal immigrants and Zelensky and "weakening Putin", the people in NC were given these paltry three figure checks. Then came Florida with the hurricanes and California with the fires and it was the same BS.
Thanks for admitting the war was worthless.
Zelernsky, who is not "really" Ukrainian (raised speaking Russian and is from a minority group) has no mandate and refuses to hold elections. Putin's travel options were limited because British agent Khan put out a contract on him, But Putin will travel to Saudi or to China to put an end to Zelensky, who was elected on a peace mandate he reneged on, with Trump.
Trump has shown Europe, whose FM is an Estonian nobody raised in Soviet privilege, they are irrelevant. Gemany and France reneged on the Minsk Accord and they should bleed for that with some tough Rusisan love.So, you support criminal Putin who can only travel to no human rights countries. Even crazy Trump he hold balls in his hand after prostitutes party in Moscow for Trump, doesn't want to welcome him in USA, when Zelinsky is welcome and supported all over Europe except Orban. Hu who is nothing in EU. I hope EU won t accept senile Trump bullshits, as in economics, when Trump is only a fire maker with 0 knowledge. World changed, USA are not anymore king of the world and Russian army is now weak, they couldn't defeat so weak Ukraine in 3 years long. Best is to get rid of criminal shameful Putin and great Russia will be much better without him when he makes Russia rejected by all modern in mind countries. His friends are only dictators like him. But he hold Trump balls in his hand, with prostitutes party photos, when Trump is a sexual criminal who think more with his small tool. At least, Zelensky and Ukrainians have balls to resist for their land and freedom.
Pahllus Maximus
02-13-25, 20:52
Well, it looks like NATO is off the table for UA, and Victoria Nuland and her corrupt gang of crony capitalist looters and puppet masters nevertheless made off with the big money, noting Biden's son has unexplained wealth and links with UA (presumably because of multi-lingual skills, personal temperance, big IQ and superior trading skill - this is sarcasm - unfortunately have to say it). Zelinksy and his corrupt buddies can now retire to their mansions in the west and leave the scraps to the next turds that float to the surface to steal. Maybe insiders in UA, maybe Russian oligarchs, who knows. Stealing knows no boundaries, nationality or where the $ transits, and personalities are just distractions from the real game. The big law firms in London pander to such people and the thugs in Africa, or indeed anyone with coin. Money is washed, companies made to look respectable and of course secrecy, but only to the connected, different rules apply to everyone else.
As for the people of UA, their flag waving and jingos has left them with a wrecked country, maimed, dead and permanently alienated and cynical youth who, if they have any brains, desperately want to get the hell out of this perpetually failed state. Its hot young women are in the brothels of Germany, at least being paid to get fucked and create joy for men, unlike most of the UA population. There is talk of making Europe pay for reconstruction, meaning a few insiders get to raid the treasuries of the EU and siphon off $, the same people who probably had side deals on the killing and already out in the field buying up land / assets on the cheap.
Follow the money. It nearly always tells the real story, not the emotive theater for public consumption and self-righteous armchair types in their leafy, upper middle class suburbs who are ultimately paying for this glittering con job. The same people who use reductionist labels for those that challenge their pet scripts, you know, red necks, anti-semites, etc, play the man not the ball, preferably in abstract stuff as opposed to nitty gritty detail of who is benefiting from the deal.
I feel sorry for people conned into the emotive flag waving bullshit now starting to wake up to the sad reality of being played for suckers. Politicians are inherently corrupt liars with very few exceptions and generally unemployable outside of grifting.
Will say one thing about HotDog666 and Sirioja. They are consistent as fuck! Running flame wars across multiple country RANT threads. And Sirioja even in the American Politics Thread.I hate Putin and Trump, but I love Russia and I support Ukrainians and think our world must give a real country named Palestine to Palestinians.
And your point is what? That the billions of dollars spent and millions who died was for nothing? If the deal today is the same as it was in 2022, then it was pretty fucking stupid that Zelensky did not take it.
And your point now is that this stupid fucking war should continue?No, dimwit, the deal is not the same. No, it wasn't for nothing. In the last 2 years Ukraine has considerably improved its military standing, and no one will dare demand that they reduce their armed forces to 40,000 people today. You still haven't done any reading on the specifics of the Putin's 2022 "deal", you're just parroting the talking points of paid Russian propacondoms.
If Zelensky gave up in 2022, Puting would've destroyed Ukraine as an independent state by now. The reason why that country is still standing is that Zelensky stayed in Kyiv and Ukrainians have fought tooth and nail ever since. According to your logic, Churchill should've stopped fighting in 1940 because he SEEMINGLY didn't stand a chance against Der Fuhrer. My goodness, what a despicable human being you are if you really can't understand why people fight for their country.
Well, it looks like NATO is off the table for UAActually, if you think about it, NATO was always off the table. Yes, Biden was deceptive and kept the carrot dangling, but it was all BS. If you read Biden's statements, he was always non committal to Ukraine joining NATO, knowing full well it just wasn't going to happen. What Hegseth / Trump did the other day was just set the record straight and honestly, which I respect.
Furthermore, Hegseth pretty much said the war is over if you listen carefully to his comments. He also implied that Russia would get to keep the 4 new territories plus Crimea. And no NATO membership for Ukraine. Those are the 2 core Russian demands.
Now you can sit down and work towards an agreement, which will be very very tricky and may not even happen in my opinion. If that is the case, wait for the collapse of the Ukrainian army and the Russians take swaths of more land and you reach a frozen conflict, the most likely scenario IMHO. Although I hope Trump has the courage to negotiate something with Putin along the lines of what Hegseth said.
And yes, game over. Is any of this a surprise? I said this would happen from day 1. But the Pro Ukraine delusional fools had this pipe dream that just got BUTT FUCKED.
Thanks for admitting the war was worthless.Do these people fucking care? No. It's the Ukrainians that died for nothing, it was Ukraine that got wrecked. A lot of Russians died, so they will be all for it. And the MIC made a lot of money.
Disgusting and beyond tragic.
And one can't help but once again bring up Istanbul in April 2022. The terms back then and the terms now. Huge difference. Hundreds of thousands dead.
No NATO, no pre 2014 borders.
Unbelievable.
Do these people fucking care? No. It's the Ukrainians that died for nothing, it was Ukraine that got wrecked. A lot of Russians died, so they will be all for it. And the MIC made a lot of money.
Disgusting and beyond tragic.
And one can't help but once again bring up Istanbul in April 2022. The terms back then and the terms now. Huge difference. Hundreds of thousands dead.
No NATO, no pre 2014 borders.
Unbelievable.Russians died for nothing, killed by Putin craziness, when Ukrainians died to defend their land and freedom, when they don t want to belong to shameful dictator Putin. I wish Ukraine will keep Donetsk, Dniepro, Marioupol and Odessa, at least. No Crimea would not change, when Putin fucked elections there, like he also tried in Georgia, Moldavia and Romania.
No, dimwit, the deal is not the same. No, it wasn't for nothing. In the last 2 years Ukraine has considerably improved its military standing, and no one will dare demand that they reduce their armed forces to 40,000 people today. You still haven't done any reading on the specifics of the Putin's 2022 "deal", you're just parroting the talking points of paid Russian propacondoms.
If Zelensky gave up in 2022, Puting would've destroyed Ukraine as an independent state by now. The reason why that country is still standing is that Zelensky stayed in Kyiv and Ukrainians have fought tooth and nail ever since. According to your logic, Churchill should've stopped fighting in 1940 because he SEEMINGLY didn't stand a chance against Der Fuhrer. My goodness, what a despicable human being you are if you really can't understand why people fight for their country.Courageous Ukrainians showed to the world how Russian army is now weak. Putin is crazy, but we know military weak.
Russians died for nothing, killed by Putin craziness, when Ukrainians died to defend their land and freedom, when they don t want to belong to shameful dictator Putin. I wish Ukraine will keep Donetsk, Dniepro, Marioupol and Odessa, at least. No Crimea would not change, when Putin fucked elections there, like he also tried in Georgia, Moldavia and Romania.Well, the Russians already control most of the Donetsk peoples republic (Mariupol is a part of that). The longer this goes on, they may very well take Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov. Time to make peace and stop the killing, on both sides.
Well, the Russians already control most of the Donetsk peoples republic (Mariupol is a part of that). The longer this goes on, they may very well take Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov. Time to make peace and stop the killing, on both sides.I fully agree with you for stopping this war between brothers, when so many mixed families and already too many deaths, but when Putin already robbed Crimea by fucking elections with telegram, Russians must go home out of official Ukraine borders and Ukrainians will leave Koursk. I worry stupid Trump and Vance make a lot of noise, but Putin hold Trump balls in his hand, so, USA should not be good for Ukraine borders and I wish EU and Ukraine will resist to USA lack of knowledge. When You don t know, You can t decide for others. But, world now know Putin is military weak, needing to send 50 yo guys to be killed for money, when he was not able to defeat courageous with balls Ukrainians in 3 years. Fortunately for freedom, versus a dictator. Great Russia really deserve much better than such dictator, to be more welcome in our world, not only with China, north Korea, Al Assad, lands of no human rights. Wake up Russians, stop to be so blind.
Well, the Russians already control most of the Donetsk peoples republic (Mariupol is a part of that). The longer this goes on, they may very well take Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov. Time to make peace and stop the killing, on both sides.Only villages around, but not Donetsk city.
Elvis 2008
02-14-25, 20:35
No, dimwit, the deal is not the same. No, it wasn't for nothing.LOL. Well, if it is not the same, that would mean it could only be better or worse.
In the last 2 years Ukraine has considerably improved its military standing, and no one will dare demand that they reduce their armed forces to 40,000 people today.Uh, Xpartan, can they afford that many troops without Western aid? I know to a "Palestinian" like you that is the only thing they should spend money on, but I have a feeling they may have a better use for that money.
You still haven't done any reading on the specifics of the Putin's 2022 "deal", you're just parroting the talking points of paid Russian propacondoms.Yawn, you are the one saying the fighting resulted in Ukraine having a better deal. Or you have implied it with your assertions, and you cannot back it up.
If Zelensky gave up in 2022, Puting would've destroyed Ukraine as an independent state by now. The reason why that country is still standing is that Zelensky stayed in Kyiv and Ukrainians have fought tooth and nail ever since. According to your logic, Churchill should've stopped fighting in 1940 because he SEEMINGLY didn't stand a chance against Der Fuhrer.And here we go again with your mental masturbation and false analogies. Didn't you say Biden was a shoo in to be re-elected, and that Ukraine would take back all their territory?
And is Putin supposed to be Hitler or is it Trump? I am getting confused now.
My goodness, what a despicable human being you are if you really can't understand why people fight for their country.Seeing as how you voted Democrat and allowed for our borders to be invaded by foreigners and the havoc that they have brought to the USA, that would make you the despicable human being you describe. Let us get real. The only reason you "Palestinians" care more about the borders in Ukraine than in the USA is becasue of how much money you are laundering there.
Only villages around, but not Donetsk city.What are you talking about mate? Donetsk city was controlled by the Pro Russians even back before the full scale war started in 2022. The only main cities that Ukraine still controls in DPR at the moment are Kramatorsk, Sloviansk and Konstantinvika.
I suggest you consult this map, keeping in mind that this is a Pro Ukrainian map while looking at it.
What are you talking about mate? Donetsk city was controlled by the Pro Russians even back before the full scale war started in 2022. The only main cities that Ukraine still controls in DPR at the moment are Kramatorsk, Sloviansk and Konstantinvika.
I suggest you consult this map, keeping in mind that this is a Pro Ukrainian map while looking at it.Sorry, I forgot to post the link:
https://liveuamap.com/?s=09
Like I said, this is a PRO UKRAINIAN map so keep that in mind while looking at it.
Well, the Russians already control most of the Donetsk peoples republic (Mariupol is a part of that). The longer this goes on, they may very well take Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov. Time to make peace and stop the killing, on both sides.True Story -- I was reading this post on my mobile phone, bleary eyed, first thing this morning. I thought Xpartan posted it and was thinking at last! He's come to his senses! He wants to see an end to the insanity! Maybe this is a sign people are finally coming around and the war will be over soon.
Well, Xpartan's unfortunately still not of that mind. But hopefully the rest of the world will soon be.
If Zelensky gave up in 2022, Puting would've destroyed Ukraine as an independent state by now. The reason why that country is still standing is that Zelensky stayed in Kyiv and Ukrainians have fought tooth and nail ever since. According to your logic, Churchill should've stopped fighting in 1940 because he SEEMINGLY didn't stand a chance against Der Fuhrer. My goodness, what a despicable human being you are if you really can't understand why people fight for their country.What's the point of fighting and dying to the last man? What about when the situation becomes hopeless? Do you believe Ukrainians should do another Masada? Look at the reality. NATO is not going to send in troops, and Ukraine's not going to win this war. Better to settle it now, because the longer this goes on, the worse negotiating position Ukraine will be in.
Your analogy is flawed. German troops hadn't set foot on British soil in 1940. Britain had only entered the war a year earlier. And a year later the UK had the full force of the USA and USSR on its side.
This war has gone on for three years. And while the sides were stalemated for over 2 years, Russia is now slowly gaining ground. And will continue to if there's no peace.
What's the point of fighting and dying to the last man? What about when the situation becomes hopeless? Do you believe Ukrainians should do another Masada? Look at the reality. NATO is not going to send in troops, and Ukraine's not going to win this war. Better to settle it now, because the longer this goes on, the worse negotiating position Ukraine will be in.
Your analogy is flawed. German troops hadn't set foot on British soil in 1940. Britain had only entered the war a year earlier. And a year later the UK had the full force of the USA and USSR on its side.
This war has gone on for three years. And while the sides were stalemated for over 2 years, Russia is now slowly gaining ground. And will continue to if there's no peace.Ukrainians are in Russia in Koursk. Ukrainians must not accept actual situation with Russians inside their official borders, when they were already stolen Crimea. EU keep on supporting Ukraine and 0 reason for Ukraine and EU to follow 0 knowledge, stupid Trump and Vance, when we are not responsible if Trump fucked prostitutes and was on photos, in Moscow.
Elvis 2008
02-15-25, 13:57
One of the few journalists I can take to the bank is Glenn Greenwald. He was the guy that Edward Snowden chose as one of the honest journalists to give all the constitutional violations he found. I may disagree with him now and again, but he has never steered me wrong on the facts. Here is what he said on Ukraine:
There were all sorts of things that the United States knew that it could do that could provoke Russia to invade Ukraine. There were memos floating all around Washington for years saying, "These are the things that are the red lines for Moscow, not just for Putin but for everybody in Moscow, including his opponents and these are the things that if we do, we will force them to essentially invade eastern Ukraine."
The United States then proceeded to do all of them seemingly wanting Russia to invade Ukraine. In February 2022 they did that and the United States immediately announced, under the Biden administration, that we were going to fund this war, we were going to give Ukraine all the weapons and the money they needed to win.
NATO Capitals did the same and the way in which victory was defined was almost guaranteed to ensure that this war would go on forever or that it would end and the United States and NATO would lose humiliatingly. The definition of victory was expelling every last Russian troop from every inch of Ukrainian soil including what Ukraine looked like before 2014, namely part of Crimea being part of Ukraine, and that was never going to happen. There was zero chance that with the United States and NATO throughout Ukraine and exerting influence, manipulating elections, having installed a leader after a coup the Russians were going to allow NATO to take back Crimea, a geostrategically crucial piece of territory given its access to the Black Sea in its long history as part of Russia. They would have used nuclear weapons before they permitted NATO to take back Crimea or even drive them out of Eastern Ukraine given the stakes that they have in that part of the Ukraine.
Despite NATO spending hundreds of billions of dollars, sending all kinds of advanced weapons and doing things that promised over and over it wouldn't do and then did, like sending tanks and fighter jets, the Russians evaded sanctions, fortified their military, spent huge amounts of money on the war. In many ways, they fortified their economy and their country became stronger and stronger and they were able to defeat the entire West by continuing their expansion moving westward and holding on to Crimea.
The Ukrainian front line was collapsing and the United States spent hundreds of billions of dollars causing the loss of life of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians including many increasingly who did not want to go and fight and yet were forced to, physically, and it ended up being an absolute bloodbath, a complete waste of the kind that was very predictable. Yet, the position of the Democratic Party in the election under Kamala Harris or Joe Biden was "We're going to continue this war. We don't care. We're going to let Ukraine be destroyed. We're going to keep killing huge numbers of people."
Donald Trump repeatedly vowed that he would end this war and Americans voted for him on that basis and now, with not even a month in office, he started taking serious steps to try to end this war as promised. One of the steps that he took was that he picked up the phone and called the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, the first time American and Russian leaders had spoken in years.
Obviously, I had my criticism of Donald Trump, I shared them last night for 45 minutes to an hour concerning Gaza and I've shared them with respect to other topics as well including the attempt to target pro-Palestinian speech but, in this case, he deserves nothing but credit. In Washington, it has been a kind of mania, a psychosis, not to even try to end this war, not to pick up the phone and negotiate, wanting the war to go on despite how senseless it is, despite how destructive it is, despite how deadly it is. This is what Joe Biden and whoever was acting in Joe Biden's name should have been doing for years had they had any intention of trying to end the war, but they didn't, and Trump does.
Elvis 2008
02-15-25, 15:17
Why the hell did Democrats demonize Putin? Why did they start this war and why did that not end it when they had the chance?
IMO it was right there in front of the world to see at the DOGE conference. DOGE had discovered that USAID paid $50 million for condoms for Gaza. A reporter chimed in and said that the money was not going to Gaza but Africa and was for AIDS prevention.
This reminds me of a comedy where a guy could get whatever wanted from people by saying it was "for the bride". When you hear a phrase, it is for something like for AIDS in Africa, for Covid, or for Ukraine, you are just supposed to blindly nod your head and go along with it. Who wants to be for AIDS, for Covid, or accused of beng a Putin dick sucker?
If you apply logic to the situation, you ask yourself, why do I have to pay for my own condoms and people in Africa do not? If AIDS really was this huge problem in Africa, and it really is not, wouldn't people quit having sex all together or buy their own fucking condoms? So we are not even paying for a good like water that is a necessity, no, condoms are a pure luxury good.
While the Democratic douches screech about how you want to keep babies dying from AIDS in Africa, there is a charity that is being run by the same mother fucker who approved the condom grant, and wouldn't you know it, the condom company gave a $3 million donation to that charity, and the charity is there to feed the poor. And not only does the bureaucrat run this charity for $200,000 a year salary, he is such a fucking great guy that he runs four others. He is yanking in a million a year from his "charity work". And it is the same bullshit. Elvis, the guy is feeding children in Africa. How dare you question him!
And this is just with the stuff we have seen so far. DOGE worked because of their speed. The bureaucrats were caught off guard. In the past, a senator reported that her staff was threatened with the espionage act when they looked into federal spending. Now the Democrats have responded with lawsuits to prevent us from knowing exactly where our tax dollars are going under the guise of privacy. Oh, the bureaucrats and Elon Musk have sensitive financial information like your SSN and bank account information and we cannot have that. Oh, the IRS and other bureaucrats can have it but Elon Musk? No way!
The whole concept that we can trust unelected bureaucrats and not trust elected representatives and their teams is complete bullshit. We voted for this! These lawsuits are not about sensitive information. The Democrats want to keep the ludicrous spending and gravy train going.
As Musk said, if the USA is not paying a trillion a year on interest payments on the debt, there will be more credit extended to citizens and at a much lower rate. All but the grifters benefit when the budget is brought under control if not balanced.
It is not $50 million for condoms. It is how many other programs are there under these same supposedly unquestionable barriers. Well, we are going to find out how much money was spent in the for Ukraine category. The official estimates are that we have helped Ukraine to the tune of hundreds of billions. I bet when it is all said and done, we are going to see over a trillion dollars spent on various programs to "help Ukraine".
This whole thing was one big fucking racket.
One of the few journalists I can take to the bank is Glenn Greenwald. He was the guy that Edward Snowden chose as one of the honest journalists to give all the constitutional violations he found. I may disagree with him now and again, but he has never steered me wrong on the facts. Here is what he said on Ukraine:
There were all sorts of things that the United States knew that it could do that could provoke Russia to invade Ukraine. There were memos floating all around Washington for years saying, "These are the things that are the red lines for Moscow, not just for Putin but for everybody in Moscow, including his opponents and these are the things that if we do, we will force them to essentially invade eastern Ukraine.".But problem is Trump is on business with Netanyahou and has his balls in Putin hand, so, with also his lack of knowledge, when he is mostly a bullshiting making noise master, he doesn't have the level to take good decision for our world and freedom and respect. For example, his stupid and unrespectful Gaza beach resort. I wish Muslims won't accept such humiliation and Ukrainians will not accept when he will BBBJ Putin.
And now Russians shooting Tchernobyl, after they already tried on Zaporijjia years ago. Putin is really dangerous for our world and really time to stop him, to protect our world health.
Fantastic speech by Vance towards the euro trash. He ripped them a new asshole. Here's to eight years of hillbilly.
Ukrainian POV:
They Didn't Believe Putin Would Attack. Why the Minsk Agreements, Concluded 10 Years Ago, Failed.
February 12th marks exactly 10 years since the signing of the second Minsk agreements on the settlement of the conflict in Donbas.
They included two conditions.
Ceasefire and disengagement of troops. This point has never been fully implemented, but the intensity of hostilities in Donbas has sharply decreased since February 2015 and there were no full-scale battles there until February 2022.
The political part, which implied the reintegration into Ukraine of the then uncontrolled areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, granting them broad autonomy and enshrining it in the Constitution of Ukraine. The political part was not implemented, which later became one of the justifications for Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
At the same time, it is difficult to find another event that currently causes such a similar reaction from the Ukrainian and Russian authorities as the Minsk agreements. Both interpret them as a grandiose deception on the part of the enemy.
Moscow claims that Kiev deliberately refused to implement the political part of the Minsk agreements, and instead rearmed the army in order to allegedly attack Donbass in 2022, so the Kremlin no longer trusts Bankova and does not need "Minsk-3", while Russian politicians and a number of "public figures" are spreading the claim in society that 10 years ago, instead of signing the Minsk agreements, the Russians should have started a "special military operation".
In Ukraine, they say that Moscow imposed disadvantageous and a priori capitulative agreements on Kiev, then spent ten years preparing for an invasion and in February 2022, having gathered its strength, attacked; and therefore there is no longer any faith in the Kremlin and "Minsk-3" cannot be acceptable.
However, in reality, the Minsk agreements of 2015 were not a prelude to war, but a real chance to avoid it.
Let's start with the Russian argument that "it was necessary to start the "SMO" a long time ago. ".
All sources indicate that in 2014, Moscow did not launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine not so much because it did not want to, but because it could not.
Firstly, for this it would have been threatened with approximately the same sanctions that followed in 2022 and which could not even be compared in significance with the sanctions for the annexation of Crimea or for the hybrid war waged in Donbas. The Russian economy of 2014 would definitely not have withstood this damage and, most likely, collapsed. Especially considering that since the fall of 2014, world oil prices began to fall.
Secondly, although the Ukrainian army was much weaker during the Anti Terrorist Operation than in 2022, the Russian Armed Forces were not distinguished by their training and skills in the coordinated conduct of large-scale military operations. Some representatives of the "DPR" in their memoirs about the events of those years indicated that the main opponents of a full-scale invasion in 2014 were the Russian military. They stated that the Russian Federation did not have enough combat-ready troops to capture such a large country as Ukraine. Russia's rapid success in Crimea, from a purely military-technical point of view, was due to the fact that Russian troops were already present on the peninsula by that time and did not need time to move forward and deploy. But along the entire length of the Russian-Ukrainian border, there were no large Russian military units at all. They began to appear only in 2015, and Moscow spent several years creating and equipping them.
As for the beginning of the fighting in Donbass in April 2014, as Russian sources stated at the time, it was an adventure not coordinated with the political leadership of the Russian Federation, organized by people of the "Orthodox oligarch" Konstantin Malofeev, which drew Russia into a war for which it was not ready. In fact, the beginning of the war in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions showed that the Kremlin would not be able to "solve the issue" with as little bloodshed as in Crimea.
In view of this, since the end of May 2014, Moscow's main line has been to exit the conflict in Donbass by granting it a special status by agreement with Kiev. This project was actively developed in June 2014. However, the then Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, after some hesitation (he even declared a ceasefire in June), chose the military path to return the territories and withdrew from the ceasefire on July 1, sending the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the offensive.
The subsequent course of the conflict is well known. In August, after the introduction of a limited contingent of Russian troops into Donbass (which the Kremlin did not officially acknowledge), the Ukrainian Armed Forces suffered a series of defeats near Ilovaisk and Lugansk. Then Poroshenko was forced to agree to the first Minsk agreements. And then, after another military escalation in January-February 2015, to the second Minsk agreements.
At the same time, in the fall of 2014, interesting testimony from a Russian soldier who participated in the fighting in Donbass was published on Russian social networks. He noted that even the capture of Mariupol, not to mention a deeper advance, would have been a difficult task for the Russian army, would have led to large casualties and a complete "unmasking" of the participation of Russian troops in supporting the separatist movement in the southeast of Ukraine. Which the Kremlin leadership obviously did not want to do in those years for the reasons mentioned above.
As for the second Minsk agreements, Poroshenko agreed to them not for military reasons (despite the defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the battle for Debaltseve and the Donetsk airport, the front as a whole did not collapse), but purely for economic reasons: Western countries, which did not want to spoil relations with the Russian Federation, demanded that Kiev agree to Minsk-2 as a condition for continuing financial support for Ukraine.
In general, the Minsk agreements were quite beneficial for Moscow, since they left the discussion of the Crimea issue out of the negotiations, thereby de facto recognizing its Russian status, and also allowed the Kremlin to save face by obtaining a special status for the territories of the "LDNR" within Ukraine, and subsequently withdraw from the conflict in Donbas, opening the way to lifting sanctions against Russia.
However, in the end, the political part of the Minsk agreements was not implemented. What the Russian Federation accuses Ukraine of: allegedly Kiev did not intend to fulfill these agreements, strengthening its army in order to attack Donbas again.
In reality, this was not entirely true. Yes, the Ukrainian authorities did not want to implement the political part of the agreements, which they began to talk about openly around 2017. But this did not mean that Bankova was preparing to regain control over the southeast by force. There is no evidence of this. If a military scenario was considered by Kiev, it was only with absolute guarantees that the Russians would not interfere in the new ATO (for example, in the event of some internal upheavals in the Russian Federation). But this was definitely not the situation of February 2022, when a 150,000-strong Russian army was stationed at the borders of Ukraine, and mobilization was announced in the "LDNR". In addition, according to all polls in the period 2015-2021, the overwhelming minority of Ukrainians supported the military solution to the issue of the uncontrolled territories of Donbas.
For what reasons did Kiev not want to implement the political part of the agreements and reintegrate Donbas with a special status?
These factors can be divided into tactical, caused by the domestic and foreign political situation, economic interests, and strategic.
The tactical reasons were that the Ukrainian post-Maidan authorities perceived the uncontrolled part of Donbas as a completely alien element, the integration of which into Ukraine in a special status carried enormous risks. At the same time, maintaining the current "separatist" status quo promised, according to Kiev's logic at the time, great benefits: firstly, the constant maintenance of military tension in Donbas made it possible to attract the attention of the West to this problem and created an obstacle to the process of normalizing its relations with the Russian Federation, and also provided arguments for continuing Western financial support for Ukraine through the IMF and other structures; secondly, the situation when "there is no war, although there is a war", established in Donbass from 2015 to 2021, allowed the Ukrainian authorities to extract both political (maintaining tension in society due to the fact that the country is in a state of war and has an external enemy, the opportunity to stigmatize as accomplices of the enemy all those who destabilize the situation inside the country) and economic (development of military budgets) dividends. At the same time, there was no threat of large-scale military actions with a large number of victims and the threat of new losses of territory.
But the main reason why the Ukrainian authorities under Poroshenko and Zelensky did not want to implement the political part of "Minsk" was different.
Kiev did not believe that failure to implement the Minsk agreements and the continuation of the unresolved conflict in the southeast would lead to the beginning of a full-scale invasion of Ukraine by the head of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin. They also believed that the collective West would not allow this. And they also believed that if Putin suddenly decided to attack, the US and the EU would quickly find ways to "put him on his shoulder blades", forcing him to capitulate. Thus, according to the conviction of the Ukrainian authorities, the conflict in Donbas could continue to be maintained in a sluggish mode, without a transition to intensive military action, and then in some future the Russian Federation would either annex the uncontrolled territories, or, for the sake of restoring relations with the West and lifting sanctions, would simply give the "LDNR" to Ukraine without any special conditions.
It was this conviction that was the basis that determined the policy of the Ukrainian authorities towards Donbas until 2022. Moreover, the conviction was so strong that even shortly before the invasion on Bankova, many declared that the concentration of Russian troops on the border with Ukraine was Putin's bluff and in reality the matter would be limited to the annexation of the "LDNR", which Zelensky's office even expected with some relief, since this would bury the Minsk agreements, which they disliked.
Let us now turn to Kiev's arguments that the implementation of the political part of the Minsk agreements would be capitulation. They are well known. The logistics of the 2015 agreements envisaged holding elections to local authorities in "certain areas" of Ukraine before the transfer of control over the border to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Under such conditions, pro-Russian forces would have clearly won. Control over the border would have begun to be transferred only the day after the elections, and would have been fully completed only after the special status of Donbass was included in the Constitution, with "certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions" receiving very broad autonomy rights. In particular, the armed formations of the "LDNR" would have been legalized there under the guise of a "people's militia. ".
Thus, according to opponents of "Minsk-2", the implementation of its political part would have led to the emergence of a self-governing enclave within Ukraine that would be strictly oriented toward Moscow, through which the Russians would undermine Ukrainian sovereignty and block Kiev's European course.
But this point of view was not the only one in the Ukrainian elite there were also supporters of implementing the political part of "Minsk". Their arguments are presented below.
After the integration of the uncontrolled territories into Ukraine, whoever was elected to the authorities, they would have found themselves in the legal field of Ukraine one way or another. They would have entered Ukrainian political and economic life, quickly mastered corruption schemes, thanks to which life in Ukraine would have become much more attractive for local leaders than under the strict control of the Kremlin and the FSB. Also, Western partners would have quickly established their ties with them, would have allocated funds for the reintegration and restoration of Donbass, from which the "leaders of individual regions" would have systematically begun to feed themselves. Not to mention the influence and investments of Rinat Akhmetov and other prominent representatives of the "old Donetsk" elites. Soon after visiting the American embassy in Kyiv, as well as Washington, Brussels and Berlin, the leaders of the autonomous regions of Donbass would have suddenly begun to forget the numbers of their Moscow curators. Of course, they would not have given up their rights to self-government, nor would they have given up slogans in defense of the Russian language, against NATO and for friendship with Russia, but the real control over them by the Kremlin and Russian special services would have been cut off very quickly, since no one would have wanted to return from the free-and-corrupt Ukrainian bread to the rigid vertical of Moscow curators. At the same time, signals came from the Russian Federation in 2015-2016 that they would not have prevented such a development of events, since the implementation of the Minsk agreements in Moscow was perceived as a way out of the conflict with Kiev while saving face and with a view to lifting Western sanctions. And what would happen next with the "separate regions" was of little concern to anyone. Thus, having fulfilled the political part of the Minsk agreements, Kyiv would not only fully restore control over Donbass, but would also restore relations with the Russian Federation, minimizing the likelihood of war.
However, the point of view of the supporters of the implementation of the political part did not become dominant. With the support of the Western "war party", another position won, according to which Kyiv needs to block the implementation of "Minsk-2", while receiving domestic and foreign policy dividends and preventing the restoration of relations between the Russian Federation and the West.
The main motive, we repeat, was the conviction of the Ukrainian elites that Putin would not dare to attack Ukraine and the West would not allow it.
Already after the start of the full-scale invasion, some representatives of the former Ukrainian government admitted: if they had known that Putin would start a war and the West would not be able to stop him or destroy Russia with sanctions, they would not have slowed down, but, on the contrary, forced the implementation of the political part of Minsk and the reintegration of Donbass into Ukraine.
But what happened, happened.
And now the Minsk agreements of 10 years ago have been completely rejected and forgotten by the Ukrainian and Russian authorities. And the phrase "we do not need Minsk-3" is regularly repeated by both sides. Especially by supporters of war to a victorious end, who demand to fight until the complete capitulation of the enemy.
Nevertheless, this option for resolving the conflict is not the only one.
It is quite possible that the war will have to be ended on the basis of some kind of compromise. This is exactly what politicians are currently discussing at the initiative of the new US President Donald Trump, who is calling for a rapid ceasefire in Ukraine.
At the same time, both Kiev and Moscow insist on their own conditions, appealing, again, to the sad "Minsk" experience. The Ukrainian authorities, convinced of the fallacy of counting on the fact that Putin will not dare to attack, are demanding security guarantees from the West, implying the entry of allies into the war with the Russian Federation in the event of a possible new invasion. Either in the form of Kiev's admission to NATO, or the deployment of Western troops on Ukrainian territory (both of which seem extremely unlikely at the moment, including due to the Kremlin's harshly negative position). Moscow insists not just on concluding a truce, as was the case 10 years ago, but on a full-fledged broad peace treaty with legal fixation of all agreements, including Ukraine's recognition of the "new borders"; on changes in Ukraine's domestic policy (Kyiv is categorically against all of this), as well as on the lifting of Western sanctions against the Russian Federation.
It is still unknown whether it will be possible to reach a compromise on these positions, and if so, what kind.
However, the main question is different: even if the parties reach an agreement and the hot phase of the war ends, how will relations between Ukraine and Russia be built in the future? Will both countries strive for peaceful and non-hostile coexistence with each other, or will they set as their goal the creation of permanent mutual problems in the hope of at some point conducting a revenge battle with the subsequent capitulation of the enemy?
In the second case, no matter what agreements are concluded, they will most likely share the fate of the Minsk agreements, becoming only a respite before a new war or a series of armed conflicts. And many now think that this is exactly what will happen.
The chances that escalation can be avoided in the future will appear if conclusions are drawn from the experience of the last ten years. And especially from the erroneous calculations of both sides on the eve of 2022. Kiev has become convinced that the West is not ready to harshly oppose Moscow's military aggression and is even less ready to enter into a direct war with the Russian Federation for Ukraine, when the country has been in a state of bloody and destructive war with colossal losses for almost three years. Moscow has become convinced that the war with Ukraine was not an easy walk, having brought great sacrifices and risks for the future of the Russian Federation itself.
Of course, we can repeat this sad experience over and over again, year after year, which one day will become fatal for one of the parties, and it is possible that for both. But we can also put an end to this terrible destructive war together, each going their own way, without interfering with each other's lives. Put an end to what could have been put 10 years ago.
One of the few journalists I can take to the bank is Glenn Greenwald. He was the guy that Edward Snowden chose as one of the honest journalists to give all the constitutional violations he found...Excellent article Elvis. Thanks for posting it.
...The chances that escalation can be avoided in the future will appear if conclusions are drawn from the experience of the last ten years. And especially from the erroneous calculations of both sides on the eve of 2022. Kiev has become convinced that the West is not ready to harshly oppose Moscow's military aggression and is even less ready to enter into a direct war with the Russian Federation for Ukraine, when the country has been in a state of bloody and destructive war with colossal losses for almost three years. Moscow has become convinced that the war with Ukraine was not an easy walk, having brought great sacrifices and risks for the future of the Russian Federation itself.
Of course, we can repeat this sad experience over and over again, year after year, which one day will become fatal for one of the parties, and it is possible that for both. But we can also put an end to this terrible destructive war together, each going their own way, without interfering with each other's lives. Put an end to what could have been put 10 years ago.Absolutely.
PaulInZurich
02-16-25, 07:15
Fantastic speech by Vance towards the euro trash. He ripped them a new asshole. Here's to eight years of hillbilly.Vance is a nobody, who executes whatever his handlers order him. He lost his balls and his spine a while ago. Not that long ago he said that Trump is Americas Hitler. I would love to see him go home to his wife, Usha Chilukuri, after he publicly asks for a guy to be rehired who posted just a few months ago things like "Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool", "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity", "Normalize Indian hate". How much of a pussy do you have to be to not defend your wife and kids?
On a Sunday few articles below make interesting reading on tricky subjects.
The first one on the relationship between Trump and Putin!
Ex-intelligence chiefs believe Trump is an unwitting agent of Putin. Here's why;. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/13/trump-putin-secret-kgb-agent/.
Trump' s Business with Netanyaho, F*ck him': Trump rages at Netanyahu, claims he saved Israel from destruction https://www.timesofisrael.com/fck-him-in-interview-trump-rages-at-netanyahu-over-congratulations-to-bi.
US president-elect shares without comment a video on Truth Social of Columbia's Jeffrey Sachs calling PM a 'deep, dark son of a *****' and saying he's gotten US into 'endless wars'.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-posts-clip-of-prof-calling-netanyahu-obsessive-about-getting-us-to-fight-iran/
Putin shot himself in the foot when he thought a special speedy operation directed at Kiev will achieve regime change, Prague 1968 revisited.
The rest is History, prompting more countries to join Nato.
Now he is an indicted War Criminal with an arrest warrant hanging over his head.
How was all of this directed by Democrats!
This animated map clearly shows the pathetic territorial gains Russia has achieved since September 2022 having paid for them in 300,000 lives and depleted military equipment. You really must pay attention while watching to register those tiny pathetic movements.
3 years of war, and they haven't even taken Donbas.
Kyiv in three days, aha!
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9e6bzo
On a Sunday few articles below make interesting reading on tricky subjects.
The first one on the relationship between Trump and Putin!
Ex-intelligence chiefs believe Trump is an unwitting agent of Putin. Here's why;. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/13/trump-putin-secret-kgb-agent/.
Trump' s Business with Netanyaho, F*ck him': Trump rages at Netanyahu, claims he saved Israel from destruction https://www.timesofisrael.com/fck-him-in-interview-trump-rages-at-netanyahu-over-congratulations-to-bi.
US president-elect shares without comment a video on Truth Social of Columbia's Jeffrey Sachs calling PM a 'deep, dark son of a *****' and saying he's gotten US into 'endless wars'.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-posts-clip-of-prof-calling-netanyahu-obsessive-about-getting-us-to-fight-iran/Trump prefer in private with Putin, when he has to BJ Putin who hold his balls in Russian hand. Trump will soon swallow, better without witnesses like Ukraine or EU, but they don t agree when they don t need to BJ.
On a Sunday few articles below make interesting reading on tricky subjects.
The first one on the relationship between Trump and Putin!
Ex-intelligence chiefs believe Trump is an unwitting agent of Putin. Here's why;. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/13/trump-putin-secret-kgb-agent/.This article lacks depth, and I don't buy it. In the KGB times if you're a person of interest, they won't just flatter you. They wouldn't groom you for decades. They would always look for a way to lock you in. It could be a video-recorded bribe or statutory rape (KGB especially loved these two because these are easy to set up and document). If KGB had gotten interested in Trump in the Soviet times, this is how they would've proceeded. That means, it's entirely possible that somewhere in Lubyanka archives there is a folder with his name on the cover and signature inside.
Basically, I don't believe he's unwitting, unless they decided he was too undisciplined and wasn't worth the effort. That's also a possibility.
But unwitting or not, anyone who's been watching the Orange for the last 10 years simply can't have any doubts as to where his loyalties are.
Pahllus Maximus
02-17-25, 07:12
Waffle on. It was always going to end along these lines.
Ukraine was a paper state from 1991 run by a series of crooks lining their pockets. The grifters in Washington saw a chance to make big $ and ran with it, letting the usual useful idiots putting up flags etc and the usual shrill talk of democracy, apple pie and motherhood as Hunter Biden sniffed cocaine with underage hookers. And Biden gave himself and family and other cronies pardons in advance. Nearly as corrupt as the Clinton's. You should watch "Wag the Dog" (1997) with De Niro. I see Germany's Merkle admitted the Minsk accords were bullshit paper the whole time.
End result: NATO is out. Ukraine is going to lose territory and have to sell minerals, agriculture and the virginity of its women. Zelinsky and his buddies will slink off the lake Como or wherever with a few hundred million, each, and prolly a book deal to boot, and plenty of hot young women till he dies of old age, pampered and protected with the coin of whichever western country he retires to. He did well as a stand up comic. Who also banned elections when democracy did not suit. So typical. And the fawning press singing as a choir.
As for the people, catastrophic damage to property, maiming of body and mind of a generation and total loss of confidence and mass migration.
I only wish I could invest in Trump companies and those owed by the Netanyahu family. You can't get a better deal than free prime land cleaned up and paid for Uncle Sam and the profits privatized. Maybe that's the plan for Ukraine as well.
Waffle on. It was always going to end along these lines.
Ukraine was a paper state from 1991 run by a series of crooks lining their pockets. Really? No kidding!
What exactly is a paper state and how is it different from a real state?
What exactly is your area of expertise regarding Ukraine?
Why do you hate this country and its democratically elected leaders so much?
Why do you revere bloody tyrant and mass murderer Putin? No, seriously, please explain it to me: why does every MAGA kook in this country adore that bloodthirsty * and internationally recognized war criminal? What's the appeal?
You know why I enjoy your posts about Rio. Because you know Rio. When you know something about something it shows right away.
And when you don't know a dick about the country, the conflict and the history and dynamics of the conflict, and yet you're trying to extend your 2 hryvnas no one's asked you about, it shows too. It also shows how in order to compensate for your ignorance you "borrow" "ideas" from Russia state propagandists and useful idiots in this very thread.
Sad!
I wish Ukraine with EU support will refuse to be robbed by USA, shameful Trump, just a robber, when USA never protected Ukraine, when Trump has to BJ Putin. Even under war, but were many Ukrainian women to enjoy, when Putin closed Russia and less Russians to enjoy. Except few big cities, quite misery now in Russia, when dictator Putin got very rich, coming from being ex nothing in KGB.
PaulInZurich
02-17-25, 13:34
Ukraine was a paper state from 1991 run by a series of crooks lining their pockets. The "paper state" came into existence after a referendum where over 90% voted for independence. Even in Crimea more than 50% voted for independence.
Really? No kidding!
What exactly is a paper state and how is it different from a real state?
What exactly is your area of expertise regarding Ukraine?
Why do you hate this country and its democratically elected leaders so much?
Why do you revere bloody tyrant and mass murderer Putin? No, seriously, please explain it to me: why does every MAGA kook in this country adore that bloodthirsty * and internationally recognized war criminal? What's the appeal?
You know why I enjoy your posts about Rio. Because you know Rio. When you know something about something it shows right away.I think USA prefer to BJ and swallow dictator Putin, than helping Ukraine. Probably like WGs, they get paid to swallow. Funny image to see Donald on his knees swallowing Vladimir. Donald does this in private. After prostitutes party, will be new photos soon.
No, seriously, please explain it to me:!Maybe he doesn't like explaining himself to idiots like you. Did the mid wife drop you on your head after your mother had the mis fortune to give birth to you? You are a walking ad for why low IQ retards should be aborted.
Elvis 2008
02-17-25, 21:16
On a Sunday few articles below make interesting reading on tricky subjects.
The first one on the relationship between Trump and Putin!
Ex-intelligence chiefs believe Trump is an unwitting agent of Putin.Yeah, well, this is how intelligence leaders lie. Hunter Biden's laptop was not Russian disinformation; it had all the hall marks of Russian disinformation.
If you take out the word unwitting out of the headline, Trump could sue the Telegraph into the ground.
And here is a story told from the disgraced losers who said Hunter's laptop was fake and swore that Russiagate was true. I cannot believe anyone would continue to buy their BS.
But wait there is more:
At the far end of the spectrum is the idea that Trump is irrevocably compromised by secret kompromat (blackmail collateral) held on him in Russian vaults.
Oh, thank God, that is just an "idea". Of course, anyone with a brain knows that Trump is worth billions and can pardon himself for anything if this were true. This idea was not thought through well.
And opposed to this "idea", we KNOW is that anyone who opposed to the deep state's plan on Covid or with Ukraine was called a Russian agent either sucking Putin's dick or sucking on the money coming from his Tits. The truckers who were striking in Canada over Covid were Russian agents too right?
We got the dumb Democratic douches calling MAGA a cult when in reality, anyone who questions the Democratic douche narrative is the one called a cult member.
Why would anyone want to continue funding this dumb war? All you get are the same bullshit rebranded domino theory (first Ukraine, then Poland, then Germany) and accusations of being a Putin dick sucker. Given the cost of this war, you think there would be a better answer than that, but if your party is full of cult members, I guess you do not need one. All you say is Putin bad. Russia bad.
In a speech last week, President Sergio Mattarella criticised the "wars of aggression" that led to World War Two. "This was the project of the Third Reich in Europe. The current Russian aggression against Ukraine is of this nature," he said.https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-02-14/italy-presidents-third-reich-comments-on-russia-spark-row-rome-moscow-row
The statement was quite mild. I would put it quite differently, but, unlike Mattarella, I'm not a politician. Still Matarella's words, mild as they are, clearly reflect the reality of Putin's unprovoked aggressive war against Ukraine. I mean who in their right mind wouldn't see a glaring analogy between Hitler and Putin (although the former apparently wasn't a coward)? There is a reason he's called Putler by his own countrymen. You'd have to be blind -- although, strike that -- blindness wouldn't prevent anyone with a brain function from seeing this link.
That statement, however, hurt the feelings of one Maria Zakharova, Russian Press Alcach (as she's called by her countrymen).
Zakharova had accused Mattarella, a highly regarded former defence minister, of "scurrilous inventions" after he drew comparisons between the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Nazi Germany's wars of aggression.
In an address at a university at the beginning of February, Mattarella said there were parallels with the "project of the Third Reich" describing both invasions as a "war of conquest."
Zakharova responded, "It is strange and bizarre to hear scurrilous slander of this kind from the president of Italy, a country that truly knows what fascism is, not only from hearsay."https://www.yahoo.com/news/italy-backs-president-attack-moscow-121828998.html?guccounter=1
I guess what she meant to say was hey, you had fascism yourselves, so sit tight and shut your mouth.
Zakharova's belch didn't sit well with Prime Minister Meloni. Russia, she said, 'offended the entire Italian nation' by rejecting Third Reich comparison. Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni described the attack from Zakharova as "an insult directed at the entire Italian nation" and other parties also backed the 83-year-old veteran politician. Mattarella has received cross-party support following a scathing attack from a Russian government spokeswoman regarding his remarks on the invasion of Ukraine.
https://www.politico.eu/article/italy-giorgia-meloni-russia-offended-entire-nation-russia-nazi-germany-comparison
https://www.yahoo.com/news/italy-backs-president-attack-moscow-121828998.html
I think USA prefer to BJ and swallow dictator Putin, than helping Ukraine.Coward talk by pussy euros that want US to fight for them.
And opposed to this "idea", we KNOW is that anyone who opposed to the deep state's plan on Covid or with Ukraine was called a Russian agent either sucking Putin's dick or sucking on the money coming from his Tits. The truckers who were striking in Canada over Covid were Russian agents too right?.It is a wonder Putin stil; lhas a dick, what with so many millions sucking on it.
I see XPartan is still ranting. Awful the way HIV make folk like him become raving lunatics. I winder how many dicks he has sucked. Quite a lot, I imagine though he dies seem to draw the line at Putin's.
Coward talk by pussy euros that want US to fight for them.USA didn-t fight to protect poor Ukraine and even try to rob them now, just chicken robbers. Fortunately, when making a lot of noise for everything, but Trump is starting to understand, he won t decide on his own, even making his business in private with Putin, but we know Putin is crazy, but with now weak army and broke Russia because of him. So many in Russia are poor because of Putin who got rich. I m proud EU and UK will support Ukraine to resist, when only guilty is Putin craziness. Ukraine don-t have to lose, when aready Crimea was stolen by Putin who fucked elections, same than in Georgia and he tried in Moldavia and Romania. He is just dangerous for peace and Trump is too much playing same game with his mafia around him.
Elvis 2008
02-18-25, 16:42
It is a wonder Putin stil; lhas a dick, what with so many millions sucking on it.LOL. The last I checked Trump's stock in Truth Social was worth $6 billion. The Democratic douches on one hand tried to say he had no money and on the other tried to sue him into bankruptcy. Trump has already beaten criminal charges and has legal immunity. The only legal challenge to his authority is impeachment which would be the stupidest thing the Democrats could do. The concept that Putin has dirt on Trump and controls him is the stupidest fucking "idea" I have ever heard.
In the mean time, Hunter Biden's transactions were flagged by Estonia for money laundering. These transactions occurred from 2014 on, and that is when Hunter's pardon and many in Biden's family were extended to. The evidence then that Biden and the Dems were engaged in funny business in Ukraine is overwhelming. In fact, what the Dems are griping about right now, the executive branch holding onto money, is something Biden did to get a prosecutor in Ukraine, who was investigating his son, fired.
The Dems laundering money in Ukraine is not an idea; it is reality.
Trump just opened up a can of whoop ass on Zelensky LOL. My favorite parts:
*Modestly successful COMEDIAN.
*Zelensky is very low in Ukranian polls.
*A Dictator without elections.
*Zelensky better move fast.
*Zelensky probably wants the "gravy train" going.
*Zelensky has done a terrible job.
Trump just opened up a can of whoop ass on Zelensky LOL. My favorite parts:
*Modestly successful COMEDIAN.
*Zelensky is very low in Ukranian polls.
*A Dictator without elections.
*Zelensky better move fast.
*Zelensky probably wants the "gravy train" going.
*Zelensky has done a terrible job.The great thing about Trump is how he can see right through the bullshit. He is giving Zelensky the respect of a buck tooth idiot.
Elvis 2008
02-20-25, 17:09
Trump just opened up a can of whoop ass on Zelensky LOL. My favorite parts:
*Modestly successful COMEDIAN.
*Zelensky is very low in Ukranian polls.
*A Dictator without elections.
*Zelensky better move fast.
*Zelensky probably wants the "gravy train" going.
*Zelensky has done a terrible job.The Zelensky mask is coming down and the story of the USAID / CIA media campaign to deify Zelensky is coming out. In truth, Zelensky is a thug.
Tucker Carlson has a great interview with a Jewish human rights lawyer who says Zelensky is having priests beaten up and jailed and he said Nazis are found throughout the Zelensky government.
https://x.com/TuckerCarlson
The human rights lawyer, Bob Amsterdam, was actually picked up by Putin and jailed in 2005 so the usual Democratic douche tactic of calling him a Putin dick sucker is not going to work.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-first-draft-of-the-ukraine-wars-history/
The position that the continuation of the Ukrainian war no longer serves the interest of the US, the closure of the Ukrainian project, the restoration of the normal diplomatic ties between the US and the RF, the possibility of the detente in Europe, the leak of the possible amendment to 2008 Bucharest Memorandum, the demand to hold elections in Ukraine (likely in October 2025) are all positive news.
Pahllus Maximus
02-21-25, 05:00
The hard reality is that a deal will be done without UA or Europe. Slinking away is the same play as USA did in the middle east and Vietnam as their puppets lost the audience.
I only need to know, from actual experience of having invested $ in UA between 2003 and 2017 and hired many staff from there the reality of their complete lack of faith and cynicism in the post 1991 newly created flag, jingo, and other symbols as a new label for the same bunch of corrupt cronies and all desperately wanting a chop in their passport to get out. They came from all over, some from Crimea, others in Kiev and 2 from the far east. Getting wages to them was a nightmare because the banks were very slimy, in the end we used DHL to move literal cash in CHF. Good workers too. Most emigrated. I don't pretend to be an expert; UA is a rag-tag bunch of political lines on a map (that changes regularly) of people who have all sorts of language, ethnic, greed, and other conflicts going on, just as the old Yugoslavia was an unstable, quivering mess. I'm sure this mess will create books for decades to come with as many versions of reality as there are players and agendas. I'm just as sure some key real estate will be sold cheap to the well connected and its official currency soon worthless.
What I do understand is money, corruption and power that occupies a vacuum. Ukraine, much of Africa, Burma, Venezuela are the same basic story, the real players changing their stripes and alliances as expedient and conning the population. What makes this slightly different was a few insiders in the USA funneling really big cash to their arms industry and banker buddies and indirectly to themselves by creating a war via NATO they knew full well Russia would go bananas over. USA staged a coup, rightly or wrongly, and Victoria Nuland and Biden were in it up to their necks. Both became extremely rich out of it. It made them a fortune as US taxpayers funneled cash to the junta parading the usual motherhood and apple pie symbols served up and then the nonsense "teams" like the Red Sox vs the Yankees manufactured tribalism. Works every time. Just as the USA demonizes China and craps on about virtue as the USA is falling apart, including ridiculous debt levels and a military we cannot afford for make believe wars as cover to loot the treasury.
We can only hope beautiful UA women gravitate to the FKK's of Germany. The $ pissed against the wall in UA could have provided subsidized BJ's to calm everyone down.
Elvis 2008
02-22-25, 03:28
The hard reality is that a deal will be done without UA or Europe. Slinking away is the same play as USA did in the middle east and Vietnam as their puppets lost the audience.Yeah, Trump has pretty much blown up the narrative that Ukraine is a "Democracy". With Zelensky:
He's in year 6 of his 5 year term.
Declared martial law Feb 2022 and has banned elections since then.
Banned 11 political parties.
Passed law in 2022 to censor journalists and combined all news into one gov't station.
Journalists investigating his corruption get conscripted and thrown on the front lines to die.
The pretend realists will tell you this war is being fought to "weaken Russia" when it really is and was a means for Democrats to launder money. Those same "realists" won't tell you that "weakening Russia" has weakned Europe especially Germany due to cheap natural gas being cut off. We are also weakened by going more into debt to pay for this dumb war.
And all these federal judges had no issues when Biden threatened to pull Ukraine funding unless the prosecutor investigating his son was fired. I asked a Democratic douche about this. Why was this prosecutor fired? I was told the prosecutor was corrupt. My response was tell me who in Ukraine is not corrupt?
I knew someone who went to Ukraine before all this Russia stuff went down. A customs agent sat down with this guy with a big smile on his face and said, "Hey, how about those Ukrainian women, huh? We have some of the best women in the world!" The agent then told the guy he has an issue with the visa and for $20 in cash, the customs agent would make it all go away and the guy could get back to the important thing, Ukrainian women! The guy paid the customs agent and told me it was the nicest and funniest shakedown that he had ever had.
It is funny you mention Venezuela PM. I was there at a shareholder meeting for the Venezuelan telephone company being traded on the NYSE. Venezuela has a law that 50% of all profits have to be sent to shareholders, and the company was 25% owned by Verizon. Every Venezuelan at the shareholder meeting got up and griped about money being sent to Verizon. I was like, hey dipshits, they put in the phone lines and cell towers. You think anyone else is going to invest in your country if you just steal whatever they invest in? Chavez took the company over in a year and paid 20% of what the company was worth to Verizon. I said to myself as long as people in that country think stealing is the path to prosperity the country will always be poor. Despite having the largest oil reserves in the world, Venezuela will be poor until this generation dies off over the next 50 years.
As for mongers, the influx of Venezuelan women into Colombia made Colombia a fantastic destination.
The MIC always wants this war to be between the good guys and bad guys. Well, anyone who thinks Zelensky is a good guy is dreaming. Is he really any better than Hugo Chavez?
Trump just opened up a can of whoop ass on Zelensky LOL. My favorite parts:
*Modestly successful COMEDIAN.
*Zelensky is very low in Ukranian polls.
*A Dictator without elections.
*Zelensky better move fast.
*Zelensky probably wants the "gravy train" going.
*Zelensky has done a terrible job.Well, among these Putin-inspired idiocies, one is the most egregious. As a Russian national, Igor, you can't NOT know that Zelensky was the top-rated comedian, not only in his native Ukraine, but also in pre-2014 Russia. Come on, admit that one, at least, LOL.
What I do understand is money, corruption and power that occupies a vacuum. Ukraine, much of Africa, Burma, Venezuela are the same basic story, the real players changing their stripes and alliances as expedient and conning the population.Can you be even more mysterious? Who are those real players changing their stripes? Names please?
What exactly is it you're saying? That Ukraine doesn't deserve to be independent and free. Is that it? Is Ukraine the only country in the world with a serious corruption problem?
Interestingly, all of you seem to be fine with Russia and everything it does. At least, I haven't heard a single squeak from you, Elvis and Tiny (with propacondoms who gives a shit). Why?
Why is it that all of you refuse to see corruption in Russia, which is several orders above Ukraine? Russia is not just corrupt, it's corruption is systemic, brazen and simply-speaking insane. Yet, in your learned minds, Russia somehow remains a legitimate and even venerable power while Ukraine doesn't have the right to exist.
Ukraine is doing something about its corruption.
Russia is doing nothing at all.
If Ukraine doesn't deserve its freedom and independence due to corruption, then Russia is hopelessly fucked.
Corruption Perceptions Index:
Ukraine: 105 out of 180.
Russia: 154 out of 180.
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024
P.S. BTW, Russia IS fucked. Even The Orange with his merry band of traitors and criminals won't be able to help them, and oh boy ain't they trying!
John Clayton
02-23-25, 16:15
...a single squeak from you, Elvis and Tiny (with propacondoms who gives a shit). Why?...They are paid propagandists. It is very difficult for truth and reason to counter the flood of paid lies and disinformation.
They are paid propagandists. It is very difficult for truth and reason to counter the flood of paid lies and disinformation.Hahaha! So then you'd be Joseph McCarthy reincarnated?
Can you be even more mysterious? Who are those real players changing their stripes? Names please?
What exactly is it you're saying? That Ukraine doesn't deserve to be independent and free. Is that it? Is Ukraine the only country in the world with a serious corruption problem?
Interestingly, all of you seem to be fine with Russia and everything it does. At least, I haven't heard a single squeak from you, Elvis and Tiny (with propacondoms who gives a shit). Why?
Why is it that all of you refuse to see corruption in Russia, which is several orders above Ukraine? Russia is not just corrupt, it's corruption is systemic, brazen and simply-speaking insane. Yet, in your learned minds, Russia somehow remains a legitimate and even venerable power while Ukraine doesn't have the right to exist.
Ukraine is doing something about its corruption.
Russia is doing nothing at all.
If Ukraine doesn't deserve its freedom and independence due to corruption, then Russia is hopelessly fucked.
Corruption Perceptions Index:
Ukraine: 105 out of 180.
Russia: 154 out of 180.
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024
P.S. BTW, Russia IS fucked. Even The Orange with his merry band of traitors and criminals won't be able to help them, and oh boy ain't they trying!At the risk of violating another of Paulie's Rules of Logic, you don't think politicians in the USA are corrupt? Corruption isn't the issue. The issue is a senseless war that's killing and maiming people and depriving them of a decent living. The issue is should this war go on forever. Or as Blood Red says, to the last Ukrainian.
Elvis 2008
02-24-25, 00:55
Hahaha! So then you'd be Joseph McCarthy reincarnated?Nah, it is worse than that. Democratic douches always accuse you of the thing they are doing. They toss money at their pet clauses: Covid, climate change, and Ukraine and then accuse you of sucking Putin's dick, wanting the earth to end, or people dying of Covid if you oppose them.
The reason I bring that up is some dick in the Biden administration was just caught throwing $20 billion of "climate change" money into a bank account out of Trump's control. One of Biden's hacks at the EPA called it "throwing gold bars off the Titanic. " he got fooled by Project Veritas into talking about this while getting drunk. This is from Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn talking during their America This Week podcast, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZAvz5G82l0.
Matt Taibbi: And talking about throwing gold bars off the Titanic. Now-.
Walter Kirn: There is nothing in that presentation that causes me to think that the climate issue is oppressing mortal concern for humanity or that guy. He discusses it entirely in terms of money flows and gold bars and political maneuvering and the power of the purse. But I know it's not surprising that a bureaucrat should take lightly what is supposedly the end of mankind.
So it is a Biden political hack saying basically climate change is BS and it is entirely to give Democrats money. But it gets worse.
Matt Taibbi: So, it gets complicated from there. But then the next step in all this is, well, what's the money for exactly? And if you dig into that, that's when it gets weird. And that's when we get to this week's story, what I was looking at, there were eight grantees for 20 billion, which is kind of a small number small already. I looked in particular at a site called Climate United Fund, which was kind of hastily thrown together last September, and it has just a bunch of clip art on it. But there is another one that is the new focus of stuff, and it's called Power Forward Communities. Oh, this is the 990, the tax form for Power Forward Communities for 2023. Now, if you scroll down to item 23 in the nine nine form, and this is-.
Walter Kirn: So, their contributions are $100.
Matt Taibbi: That's their assets. However, Stacey Abrams did tweet that she was part of this thing called Rewiring America, which is sort of in the background of Power Forward Communities. It's a related entity, let's put it that way. This group, rewind America or Rewiring America, they still have as the pinned tweet on their Twitter page, like a, "Woohoo, we got $2 billion," thing, right? "It's official Power Forward Communities has received a $2 billion award from the EPA to help affordably decarbonize homes and apartments throughout the country. ".
Walter Kirn: What the hell does that mean? Affordably decarbonize? I haven't seen much of that going on. How come when I drive down the street in my little town, I don't see the decarbonization trucks pulled up in front of the buildings.
So if the Democratic douches got $20 billion thrown their way for "climate change", I cannot imagine how many gold bars were thrown off the Titanic for Ukraine.
Thing is if you are in the Power Forward community, you are going to be provaxx and wearing your blue and yellow ribbons to "work" proudly. In fact, putting the blue and yellow ribbon on may be the only form of work that is actually being done. I am sure the "work" can be done remotely.
So with guys like JC, who you know is provaxx and a climate change weirdo, he is getting huge $ and there is way more money in sucking Zelensky's dick than for anyone to go down on Putin.
In fact, for all the talk of Russia in 2016 influencing the election, there was very little mention of money involved. The only figure I heard with regards was Russia spending $100,000 in Facebook Ads. That is pretty paltry compared to $20 billion.
Elvis 2008
02-24-25, 01:20
Interestingly, all of you seem to be fine with Russia and everything it does. At least, I haven't heard a single squeak from you, Elvis and Tiny (with propacondoms who gives a shit). Why?If a woman provokes a man to hit her, and the man does it, that does not mean the man is a good guy. In the above scenario, the woman is Ukraine and the man is Russia, and they are both guilty.
The issue I have is that not only am I being told the woman is innocent, I am told that I have to give money to fund the woman's fight with the man and be 100% supportive of the woman. I am sick and tired of hearing about how great the woman is and and how bad the man is wrong when they were both behaving badly.
It is obvious that a man who invades a foreign country or smacks a woman is not good. Thing is when the USA tries to kill the "bad man" as in Libya, Iraq, and Syria, the end result has been chaos.
Then when you find out the woman and her friends are literally sending around memos discussing what it would take for the guy to hit you, you have convinced me the bad guy is less of a threat to me and the world than ever.
In fact, if you are getting together with your friends and trying to figure out what it takes to trigger someone to commit violence, you are a way bigger threat to society than the people committing violence. And you sure as hell are not an innocent.
At the risk of violating another of Paulie's Rules of Logic, you don't think politicians in the USA are corrupt? Corruption isn't the issue. The issue is a senseless war that's killing and maiming people and depriving them of a decent living. The issue is should this war go on forever. Or as Blood Red says, to the last Ukrainian.1. Your despicable ilk always cite Ukrainian corruption as a reason to stop the US military aid. Talk to them.
2. If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Talk to Putin.
3. You're a Russophile who doesn't give 2 shits about Ukrainian lives. Talk to your priest or shrink or whoever you put in charge of your immortal soul.
I don't normally post newspaper articles, but this one totally deserves it.
Im a former U.S. intelligence officer. Trump's Ukraine betrayal will have terrible consequences.
The United States is doing it again: walking away from allies. It is almost as if each U.S. presidency needs to practice betrayal as a form of statecraft. The examples of men and women who counted on our support are many. George H.W. Bush with the Kurds. Barack Obama with the Syrians. Donald Trump and Joe Biden with the Afghans. And now, Trump with the Ukrainians. America, the dependable ally, we are not.
Many of us, however, thought Ukraine would really be different. This was a classic story of right versus wrong, of David vs. Goliath, and the U.S. did come to Ukraines aid once Russian forces were on the move. Since then, Ukraine has exacted hundreds of thousands of casualties on the Russian invaders. Behind the scenes, the U.S. has reportedly provided critical military and intelligence assistance without a drop of U.S. blood shed.
Did the U.S. do enough? No. Bidens fear of possible escalation with Russia squandered too many opportunities, to the immense frustration of Ukraine, its soldiers and its supporters. But $60 billion in aid is not small potatoes. The Ukrainians fight valiantly and bravely, proving time and again that they would never be defeated. With the backing of the worlds greatest superpower, anything was possible.
Yet now, the Trump administration appears eager to walk away from Ukraine. Details of exactly how remain murky. The president and those around him are not talking with one voice. Trump says one thing one day, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth another, Vice President JD Vance and special envoy Keith Kellogg something else the next. Yet one thing appears abundantly clear: The U.S. is not an ally of Ukraine any longer. At best, America is now a neutral party, and at worst complicit in its demise.
This clear policy shift is nevertheless subtle enough that many Americans may not understand it. But for Ukrainians, and President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in particular, there is no doubt about the United States intentions. At the Munich Security Conference last week, Zelenskyy repeatedly pleaded that Ukraine needs the U.S. to support it against Russia, not to mediate between the two. Not only was Trump unpersuaded, he blamed Ukraine for starting the war an allegation that is of course patently false.
Trust is so hard to gain, and yet so easily lost. And though some of the Trump teams errors such as Hegseths statement that Ukraine would never join NATO were walked back, the damage is already done. Each concession to Russia gives Russian President Vladimir Putin a victory even before negotiations begin. One former U.S. senior intelligence officer told me that Ukraine, even in the best-case scenario, will look now at the U.S. from the vantage of a spouse scorned by infidelity.
I have spoken with numerous retired U.S. national security practitioners who have worked globally countering Russian aggression, including those who spent the last decade in and out of Ukraine, asking them what the recent U.S. policy change personally meant to them. Often there is a long silence. Then a sigh. A former intelligence officer said his thoughts immediately went to the scores of Ukrainians with whom he worked their incredible sense of resolve and will to fight. Some have recently visited Ukraine to make contact with old friends. It was difficult for them to look old Ukrainian partners in the eye as the U.S. shifts from ally to neutral player, or maybe worse.
My former colleagues thoughts shifted to the future as well. Many stated that this betrayal was the big one: epic in its scope, with far-reaching consequences for the next fight, likely with China. The fallout will be even worse than the Afghans left to fend for themselves. It will now be impossible for anyone to trust the U.S. as an ally. Our adversaries even now must be celebrating; there are surely open vodka bottles in the Kremlin.He's wrong about vodka, though. Putin elites have developed a liking for old pricey Scotch over the last 30 years. But in this case, they celebrate with the best Champagne money can buy. Trump's gifts that keep giving are totally worth it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-m-a-former-u-s-intelligence-officer-trump-s-ukraine-betrayal-will-have-terrible-consequences/ar-AA1zzm9p
Well, among these Putin-inspired idiocies, one is the most egregious. As a Russian national, Igor, you can't NOT know that Zelensky was the top-rated comedian, not only in his native Ukraine, but also in pre-2014 Russia. Come on, admit that one, at least, LOL.The comedian is on his way out soon hopefully. The sooner the better for Ukraine.
Reiner Otto
02-24-25, 15:59
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-m-a-former-u-s-intelligence-officer-trump-s-ukraine-betrayal-will-have-terrible-consequences/ar-AA1zzm9pI like it. Never been a friend of the Americans, after having worked there for about 3 years in summary, blaming them just to be friendly with the mouth.
I feel confirmed now in my opinion by the POTUS himself.
America loosing any trust in Europe.
Actually, for me the "deal" between Trump and Putin looks a bit like the deal, Hitler had with Stalin, regarding Poland.
1. Your despicable ilk always cite Ukrainian corruption as a reason to stop the US military aid. Talk to them.
2. If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Talk to Putin.
3. You're a Russophile who doesn't give 2 shits about Ukrainian lives. Talk to your priest or shrink or whoever you put in charge of your immortal soul.I think the dumbass meant to say IMMORAL but the only immoral thing is to cheer Ukraine on to fight a war to the last Ukrainian that they will never be able to win. That's the reality.
Dumbass Europeans never learn.
America is not their friend. It is not their benevolent Uncle. It has never pretended to be. It is a smooth talking, Godfather figure, which has kept European feeling secure about themselves simply because it was in it's interest. Dumbass Europeans, especially the British, insist on perpetuating their delusions that they are all bosom buddies.
Even when America has said or done things for decades which are not in its own interest alone, the foolish deranged British and some Europeans have followed them blindly into global conflagarations which were both morally and legally deleterious to them: principally the Iraq war.
And yet, they continue deluding about the "special relationship" even while America treats them like what they are: its bitches and working girls.
Well, Europeans, you had it coming. Your delusions of grandeur and notions that you are have a "special bond" is going to come with a very pricy reality check which you are going to find difficult to cash.
As for the Ukrainians. They're fucked. Life is not fair. They're going to have to come to terms with that fact.
Elvis 2008
02-24-25, 17:42
I don't normally post newspaper articles, but this one totally deserves it.
Im a former U.S. intelligence officer.OMG! Are you fucking kidding me?
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/02/02/now-we-know-the-shocking-truth-about-the-51-intel-officials-role-in-hunter-bidens-laptop-n4936606
Just days before a crucial debate, they enlisted 51 former intelligence officials to sign a letter suggesting the laptop was Russian disinformation giving Biden the perfect excuse to dismiss the story when Trump confronted him. That letter also handed Big Tech the justification to censor the story across social media, making it one of the most brazen examples of election interference in USA History.
On his first day back in office, Trump revoked the security clearances of those 51 officials. Since then, they've spun excuse after excuseincluding the laughable claim that they never actually called the laptop Russian disinformation. But now, a leaked email from John Brennan, one of the key signers, exposes the truth. Not only did these officials back the letter, but they did so with the explicit goal of helping Biden mislead the public. It's a damning revelation that confirms their role in manipulating the election narrative.
On October 19,2020, former CIA Director Mike Morell sent Brennan a copy of the letter, asking if he could add his name to the list, before explicitly stating he was "trying to give the Biden campaign, particularly during the debate on Thursday, a talking point to push back on Trump on this. ".
End of link. And who is this former intelligence official?
Marc Polymeropoulos. Was he one of the 51 liars to sign off on Hunter Biden's laptop calling it Russian disinformation?
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/Polymeropoulos%20Transcript_Redacted.pdf
You should also understand that although this interview is not under oath, we're.
Not swearing you in, that by law of course you're required to answer questions before.
Congress truthfully. And you understand that?
Mr. Polymeropoulos. I do.
You were one of 51 former intelligence officials who signed a public statement.
Regarding Hunter Biden's emails, correct?
A Correct.
Xpartan, thanks for admitting this war was a Democratic douche initiative to cover up the crimes of the Biden family, deify Zelensky, and demonize Putin. You quoted a known fucking liar who rigged an election!
Dumbass Europeans never learn.
America is not their friend. It is not their benevolent Uncle. It has never pretended to be. It is a smooth talking, Godfather figure, which has kept European feeling secure about themselves simply because it was in it's interest. Dumbass Europeans, especially the British, insist on perpetuating their delusions that they are all bosom buddies.
Even when America has said or done things for decades which are not in its own interest alone, the foolish deranged British and some Europeans have followed them blindly into global conflagarations which were both morally and legally deleterious to them: principally the Iraq war.
And yet, they continue deluding about the "special relationship" even while America treats them like what they are: its bitches and working girls.
Well, Europeans, you had it coming. Your delusions of grandeur and notions that you are have a "special bond" is going to come with a very pricy reality check which you are going to find difficult to cash.
As for the Ukrainians. They're fucked. Life is not fair. They're going to have to come to terms with that fact.I guess some of these clowns didn't get the memo from Henry Kissinger:
Being an enemy of the you. S can be dangerous. But being a friend can be fatal.
Whatever they voted, almost all Ukrainians support Zelensky about war to defend their country, when Ukraine was attacked by Putin. According to Ukrainian constitution lasting since before Zelensky, when Trump doesn t respect USA constitution and Putin is a dictator, no election under war. So, just normal, Zelensky is still president and Ukrainians know not many would have had balls to resist to Putin, when Trump is now sucking Putin, lying on money USA gave to Ukraine, less than what Europe gave, and now trying to rob Ukraine and make business with Putin, when Trump knows he can t compete with Europe and China for economics, for more than his taxes, but he will also be taxed, so he tries now to make business with shameful Putin, robbering poor Ukraine. Shame on USA.
1. Your despicable ilk always cite Ukrainian corruption as a reason to stop the US military aid. Talk to them.
2. If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Talk to Putin.
3. You're a Russophile who doesn't give 2 shits about Ukrainian lives. Talk to your priest or shrink or whoever you put in charge of your immortal soul.No, I'm a pacifist who believes peace is preferable to a war that kills and maims hundreds of thousands. What are you? Would you prefer a nuclear war that kills millions to peace in Ukraine? Please feel free to talk to your priest or shrink about that.
No, I'm a pacifist who believes peace is preferable to a war that kills and maims hundreds of thousands. What are you? Would you prefer a nuclear war that kills millions to peace in Ukraine? Please feel free to talk to your priest or shrink about that.For sure, peace is better than war, but Putin attacked and Ukrainians don t want to be robbed lands by Putin and values by shameful liar Trump. Only Ukrainians can decide, and Europe will support them, when Europe gave more money to Ukraine than USA, whatever Trump lies and bullshitings, or maybe too senile dangerous?
I like it. Never been a friend of the Americans, after having worked there for about 3 years in summary, blaming them just to be friendly with the mouth.
I feel confirmed now in my opinion by the POTUS himself.
America loosing any trust in Europe.
Actually, for me the "deal" between Trump and Putin looks a bit like the deal, Hitler had with Stalin, regarding Poland.Correct. Plus the Munich "deal" delivering Czechoslovakia to the Nazis. This Trump-Putin pact is a 2-for-1 deal.
America is losing trust of millions of Americans too, right now. I can only imagine the glow on Putin's mug. He couldn't have dreamed of royal gifts like this one just a few months ago.
Europe, however, is not immune to fascism. I wish it weren't the case, but cowardice and cynicism are not US inventions.
While the position of the RF is no foreign intervention and no ceasefire until the peace treaty is signed, I already can tell you how it would end:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXPR3Y465lA
Correct. Plus the Munich "deal" delivering Czechoslovakia to the Nazis. This Trump-Putin pact is a 2-for-1 deal.
America is losing trust of millions of Americans too, right now. I can only imagine the glow on Putin's mug. He couldn't have dreamed of royal gifts like this one just a few months ago.
Europe, however, is not immune to fascism. I wish it weren't the case, but cowardice and cynicism are not US inventions.Putin hold Trump balls in his hand, with photos of with prostitutes party in Moscow and Trump wants to rob poor weak Ukraine. Such shame for USA which are really not great again. USA really had to be no brained to elect such shameful, when Putin fucked his elections, when Zelensky is legal, according to Ukrainian constitution, when Trump fucked USA constitution and capitol.
Elvis 2008
02-26-25, 18:04
Actually, for me the "deal" between Trump and Putin looks a bit like the deal, Hitler had with Stalin, regarding Poland.That is pretty funny because I have read the Polish army is so good right now that in a conventional war they could be on the outskirts of Moscow in a matter of weeks. Their army is bigger than that of Germany and France.
America loosing any trust in Europe.I think it is fair to say that is true only of Western Europe, and I would say the feeling is likewise. Your Eurocrat nannies disregarded the Romanian elections because you did not like the result. You are saying Ukraine could not have fair elections because of Russian interference when in reality, it might just be that the result ends up like the one in Romania and might be one you Western Europeans just do not like.
You used censorship to try to reign in the AFD party in Germany which also was stronger in the Eastern part of Europe and in fact censorship in Western Europe now is the rage. It makes me wonder why is it that Eastern Europe, which was under the thumb of the old USSR, is so much more tolerant of Russia than Western Europe. If Putin was the threat he was made out to be, that seems like it should be the opposite.
Trump signed a deal that was good for Russia and the USA. Maybe it will be good for Ukraine too. We do not have the terms. But yeah, given the USA paid the most in this war to save your bacon, Trump did not think it necessary to cut the Europeans in on the deal.
Never been a friend of the Americans, after having worked there for about 3 years in summary, blaming them just to be friendly with the mouth.Well, that is good. In fact, it is all the more reason to pull out of NATO. The reason given for NATO's existence is that it has kept the peace in Europe the last 80 years. At this point, I think NATO is more likely to cause wars than to stop them, and you guys are not paying your fair share anyway. I am tired of our paying for peace while you Europeans take your 6 week vacations.
No, I'm a pacifist who believes peace is preferable to a war that kills and maims hundreds of thousands. What are you? Would you prefer a nuclear war that kills millions to peace in Ukraine? Please feel free to talk to your priest or shrink about that.You're a wishy-washy. You're willing to capitulate to a tyrant and give him the lands, the country AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. You don't own Ukraine and this is not your decision.
Second:
- Putin is bluffing, and yes, he's much better at it than us, it seems.
- Russia is not the only country with nukes. Our response will END their country, and they're well aware of that.
- Putin and his entourage are not mad (enough) to commit a murder-suicide.
- They're crooks and sybarites who love their lives and uber-luxurious lifestyles too much.
Putin hold Trump balls in his hand, with photos of with prostitutes party in Moscow and Trump wants to rob poor weak Ukraine. Such shame for USA which are really not great again. USA really had to be no brained to elect such shameful, when Putin fucked his elections, when Zelensky is legal, according to Ukrainian constitution, when Trump fucked USA constitution and capitol.You're being simplistic as always. Remind me what party just came second in Germany? What party got over 30% in France. What parties are ruling Hungary and Slovakia? Like I said before, fascism is not exactly an American invention; Europe has been flirting with fascism for at least 2 decades and your establishment politicians still have no idea what to do with it.
That said, Trump is very "special", I'll give you that.
Reiner Otto
02-27-25, 03:05
But yeah, given the USA paid the most in this war to save your bacon, Trump did not think it necessary to cut the Europeans in on the deal.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/these-countries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine#text=The%20 USA %20 leads%20 with%20 the, Institute%2 C%20 said%20 in%20 a%20 statement.
First of all, Trumpis usual lie, about "500 billion".
Second, USAs investment is only marginally higher than Europes, about 5% higher, or 4 Billion.
Third, Denmark, Estonia and Norway having committed the most aid relative to their total economic output.
Fourth, hasn't the USA some type of obligation, because of the Budapest memorandum? Or is it, that USA does not care about any agreements.
Unless it is to advantage of "Gods own country" ?
Probably I better need to clarify Trumps+Putins deals similarity to Adolf+Josefs deal regarding a third country, also for lower educated individuals, like Trumpists.
Anyway, looks like only one solution: UA will have to regain nuclear weapons. Should not be too difficult for them. Might even have an advantage for complete Europe.
- Russia is not the only country with nukes. Our response will END their country, and they're well aware of that.
-.It's called MAD (mutually assured destruction), dumbass. The whole world will get destroyed, including you.
It's called MAD (mutually assured destruction), dumbass. The whole world will get destroyed, including you.So is this going to prevent Putin from starting the nuclear war? Or do you believe that Putin is ready to do the world in -- himself and Russia including?
Now don't be shy.
You're a wishy-washy. You're willing to capitulate to a tyrant and give him the lands, the country AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. You don't own Ukraine and this is not your decision.
Second:
- Putin is bluffing, and yes, he's much better at it than us, it seems.
- Russia is not the only country with nukes. Our response will END their country, and they're well aware of that.
- Putin and his entourage are not mad (enough) to commit a murder-suicide.
- They're crooks and sybarites who love their lives and uber-luxurious lifestyles too much.That's not true. I believe all would be best served to negotiate a treaty that leaves borders along the current lines of control. Arguably that leaves the majority of THE PEOPLE where they want to be. Or at least some of the polling, done by western and Ukrainian organizations, indicates a majority of the inhabitants of Crimea post 2014, and the parts of Donbas controlled by militias pre 2022, would prefer being part of Russia over Ukraine.
One poll though was more telling. People were given three choices, something like affiliate with Ukraine; affiliate with Russia; or I don't give a damn, all I want is to live peacefully and get a decent pension. The third option was the most popular. The farther east you go, the more common that attitude is.
I'm not sure what the point is in drawing this out, to the last Ukrainian..
So if you were Trump or Macron or whoever, would you be willing to risk one billion lives based on your four assumptions? That's a rhetorical question. I already know the answer is yes.
That is pretty funny because I have read the Polish army is so good right now that in a conventional war they could be on the outskirts of Moscow in a matter of weeks. Their army is bigger than that of Germany and France.It'll never happen but it'd be interesting to wonder what might happen if Poland chose to "invade" Ukraine, all the way up to Ukraine's 2014 borders. Could they "take over" Ukraine entirely, defeating all the Russians inside, then "surrender" to Ukraine and withdraw? If need be, they could "occupy" Ukraine for some years to provide peace and stability to let Ukraine rebuild.
Elvis 2008
02-27-25, 16:18
It'll never happen but it'd be interesting to wonder what might happen if Poland chose to "invade" Ukraine, all the way up to Ukraine's 2014 borders. Could they "take over" Ukraine entirely, defeating all the Russians inside, then "surrender" to Ukraine and withdraw? If need be, they could "occupy" Ukraine for some years to provide peace and stability to let Ukraine rebuild.I meant that Poland comes to the side of Ukraine and goes to war with Russia. It is interesting though you do not hear the Polish side very much in this conflict. Given they are on the border of Ukraine and have the largest military in Europe, you would think they would be louder than anyone. Well, there is a reason for that.
I had to dig a bit to get into the Polish perspective. There is animosity between Ukraine and Poland over a massacre of Poles during WW 2, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Donald Tusk reach agreement on massacre of up to 100,000 Poles by Ukrainian nationalists, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/16/poland-hails-breakthrough-with-ukraine-over-second-world-war-volhynia-atrocity.
That made me think that the reason we do not hear the Polish perspective is that it does not line up with the Western Press, and I finally found an article where a journalist talked to the Polish people.
https://theconversation.com/why-many-poles-are-not-as-supportive-of-ukraines-war-effort-as-their-leaders-in-warsaw-240562
Observers in the west take it for granted that the pro-Ukrainian policies of successive Polish governments endorsed by the Catholic churches reflect views shared by citizens throughout the country.
But after more than two years of war, as I found during a recent research trip, doubts are being voiced in some segments of society. Farmers have been angry for years. Ukraine has rich soils and its agribusiness is free from EU regulations. Ukraine has been allowed to export its cheap grain to the EU. This has undermined the market for Polish farmers.
I also heard in plenty of conversations that Poland is the only ally of Ukraine to provide military hardware free of charge whereas other Nato states insist on full payment or offer credits that will theoretically have to be repaid one day.
Why do I have to wait months for my hospital appointment, people ask is it because of increased demand for health services from the millions of Ukrainian refugees? Why should my taxes pay for generous financial grants to Ukrainians who turn up at the border, claim the cash, and promptly return home?
Those who complain and exaggerate isolated abuses are often written off as gullible victims of Russian propaganda. But Poles are unlikely dupes. Monuments to communist crimes are everywhere.
Yet hatred of Russia does not translate into unconditional support for Ukraine. Ukrainian ministers have the undiplomatic habit of pointing out that large areas of present-day Poland were formerly occupied by Ukrainians.
During my recent visit, I was sometimes asked why the BBC and other influential western media never probed behind the slick public face of Volodymyr Zelensky's team to report on the real conditions and opinions of ordinary Ukrainians. Instead, Russians are demonised and Ukrainians hailed for their "European values" and their sacrifices on behalf of the west.
Coverage in Polish state media conveys a similar message but I found many citizens have become sceptical.
Often, the conversation turned to Boris Johnson. I was asked to explain why the then prime minister advised Zelensky in April 2022 that Ukraine should continue the fighting. Did Johnson, as has often been rumoured, sabotage proposals for a negotiated peace carefully drawn up in Istanbul shortly before his visit? Did he not care at all about the hundreds of thousands who would suffer and die if this war continued? Was he pursuing a devious strategy agreed with EU leaders and Nato partners, above all Washington?
I did not have answers to any of these questions. End of link.
So I think it is pretty clear why we are not hearing the Polish perspective. They are bearing a huge brunt of the Ukrainian refugee problem and want the war to stop because of that. They also do not fit into the Ukraine is good narrative that the Western press is pushing. And they have only been asking, hey, why do you guys in the West want this war so damned much?
Well, I think the answer is in the fact that only Poland is giving away free military hardware. If the Western military were really concerned about the second coming of Hitler, they would not care so much about the money. That they do tells me what I have always suspected: this war is a racket!
That's not true. I believe all would be best served to negotiate a treaty that leaves borders along the current lines of control. Arguably that leaves the majority of THE PEOPLE where they want to be. Or at least some of the polling, done by western and Ukrainian organizations, indicates a majority of the inhabitants of Crimea post 2014, and the parts of Donbas controlled by militias pre 2022, would prefer being part of Russia over Ukraine.
One poll though was more telling. People were given three choices, something like affiliate with Ukraine; affiliate with Russia; or I don't give a damn, all I want is to live peacefully and get a decent pension. The third option was the most popular. The farther east you go, the more common that attitude is.
I'm not sure what the point is in drawing this out, to the last Ukrainian..
So if you were Trump or Macron or whoever, would you be willing to risk one billion lives based on your four assumptions? That's a rhetorical question. I already know the answer is yes.1. What treaty? Trump is not only refusing to provide any security guarantees but even intelligence data and logistical support for our allies. Europe is saying it would be unable to provide security without our cooperation. You want Ukraine to agree to another pointless Budapest memorandum?
2. a) I know that Ukraine polls for you is like Ave Maria, but enough with that nonsense already. We wouldn't allow Texas to secede no matter what the damn polls would say.
B) Whatever some of them felt toward Russia before the full-scale war is now gone. Who do you think is getting bombed and killed? What cities are getting destroyed? The ethnic Russians. Did you see the photos of the predominantly Russian-speaking city of Mariupol? Get out of your comfort zone and see some videos. What did they do (and keep doing) with Kharkov? Hell, forget Ukraine and look at their indiscriminate bombings of their own Kursk Oblast! Fuck, that is RUSSIA proper, and they don't give a fuck.
3. I'm being more realistic than you, no matter how prudent you might appear. Russia will ALWAYS have nuclear weapons. Your attitude will not resolve the danger; it will only move it down the line. Only next time, they'll KNOW they can bluff their way out of anything.
If Biden and European governments haven't been scaredy cats and given Ukraine everything it needed promptly, this war would've been over by now with a real, long-lasting treaty that would include security guarantees, and Putin wouldn't be walking around today with that smug grin on his mug.
So is this going to prevent Putin from starting the nuclear war? Or do you believe that Putin is ready to do the world in -- himself and Russia including?
Now don't be shy.Putin isn't interested in starting a nuclear war. But if Russia faces an existential threat, he would not hesitate to use a tactical nuke inside Ukraine. And the west won't strike back with a nuclear option if he did do that IMO. Ukraine isn't important enough for a USA president to risk losing Chicago or NYC or LA.
Reiner Otto
02-28-25, 03:21
from the millions of Ukrainian refugees? Inzwischen sind noch 953 000 ukrainische FLüchtlinge in Polen gemeldet. In absoluten Zahlen ist Polen in der EU damit das zweitgrösste Aufnahmeland, hinter Deutschland mit 1,33 Millionen.
Easy to verify, in case of interest to provide reliable info.
You're being simplistic as always. Remind me what party just came second in Germany? What party got over 30% in France. What parties are ruling Hungary and Slovakia? Like I said before, fascism is not exactly an American invention; Europe has been flirting with fascism for at least 2 decades and your establishment politicians still have no idea what to do with it.
That said, Trump is very "special", I'll give you that.My meaning is Trump is playing robber. Sad for poor Ukraine. But many minerals are where Russians stay in Ukraine, when Ukraine was already robbed Crimea by Putin.
Putin isn't interested in starting a nuclear war.I agree. Now tell you BFF Tiny he has nothing to worry.
Here is the Zelensky creep, in the White House, being slapped down by both POTUS and VPOTUS. Zelensky is as much a bum as are his choirboys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOOOR7Kr-s.
Here is the Zelensky creep, in the White House, being slapped down by both POTUS and VPOTUS. Zelensky is as much a bum as are his choirboys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOOOR7Kr-s.Trump insults enough USA image since 2021 , he doesn t need Zelensky who is fully legal and supported about war to defend Ukraine, by Ukrainians, when Trump is only a robber, trying to fuck Ukrainians and make business with criminal who attacked, his friend Putin.
Here is the Zelensky creep, in the White House, being slapped down by both POTUS and VPOTUS. Zelensky is as much a bum as are his choirboys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOOOR7Kr-s.This is depressing. It looked like we were possibly on the cusp of a cease fire. J.D. Vance should have kept his fat mouth shut, and Trump should have put the full court press on Zelensky (and Putin) to settle this instead of giving up so quickly.
This is depressing. It looked like we were possibly on the cusp of a cease fire. J.D. Vance should have kept his fat mouth shut, and Trump should have put the full court press on Zelensky (and Putin) to settle this instead of giving up so quickly.Trump wants to fuck Zelensky and suck swallowing Putin. Zelensky is right to refuse and Ukrainians will support his decision, when USA never protected Ukraine.
Elvis 2008
02-28-25, 23:23
This is depressing. It looked like we were possibly on the cusp of a cease fire. J.D. Vance should have kept his fat mouth shut, and Trump should have put the full court press on Zelensky (and Putin) to settle this instead of giving up so quickly.Nah, you need to watch the whole thing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_YtXWVfkJE.
There are clips not showing the whole thing.
Things were going well. I could see the goal of Trump was to inform but to present a united front that progress is being made, and things were going smoothly. A reporter asked Trump whose side he was on. Trump was honest. He said that Zelensky hated Biden and vice versa which is true. He then pivoted and said he was on the side of peace and therefore was aligned with peace and the world. All JD Vance did was blast the notion of war and say that all Biden was doing was talking tough when people were dying and advocated for diplomacy. It was not personal towards Zelensky at all.
Zelensky was upset that he was being criticized. You can see Zelensky's body language. At first, he is leaning in towards Vance. Then when Vance responds, Zelensky immediately folds his arms and closes him off. The body language alone told the story. What Zelnsky was doing was going over all the times Putin has broken prior agreements. It showed me that Zelensky was not serious about a cease fire.
Where Zelensky really lost it was he reminded me of a drunk asking for a handout who said, "Well, you may be feeling better now but just wait in the future, your will feel badly too and you will need a handout. " And Trump just destroyed Zelensky when he made that comment, and Vance ripped Zelensky then for a complete lack of gratitude.
If I were on the front lines in Ukraine, I would be furious to see Zelensky mocking diplomacy. They showed a Ukrainian reporter with her hand over her head hiding her embarrassment. I think Zelensky's performance will be received horribly in Ukraine. Lindsay Grahm was a big Zelensky supporter and he pulled the plug after Zelensky's performance.
Now I know why Trump was keeping Zelensky out of the negotiations and just dealing with Putin as Zelensky was not interested in a cease fire. IMO he is out of touch with the Ukrainian soldier and the American tax payer. Trump booted him to the curb and told him come back when you are really ready to make a deal, but Zelensky needs to understand that means weeks not forever.
Zelensky acted like a thin skinned dictator not getting his way. If he is not willing to negotiate then I think we need to make our aid contingent about Ukraine restoring elections, a free press, and restoring opposition parties. I really doubt that Zelensky is representing his country right now. He looks like he is out for himself.
How come this place hasn't blown up?
So you got to hand it to Trump and his dollar tree underling JD (I've always been puzzled by that unique American habit of initialising your name) - they really know how to let the other guy know his place. In life, one makes decisions which seem not significant at the time but end up being life changing. I feel sorry for Ukraine but they will be rueing the day they chose to get rid of their nuclear weapons. And all those states who decided to fuck the supposed world order and to enhance their defense capacity will know they made the right decisions.
Meanwhile those fuckwits European scumbags who thought if they licked the American boot the most it would elevate them to their rightful nirvana are now shitting their pants. Once Russia is done with Ukraine, they will go after Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. And then the Eastern Europeans will be next. Russia probably doesn't care about West Europeans, but will want them servile to them in the new world order. Europe's erstwhile leaders going into Iraq at the behest of the zionists and American evangelicals rightwingers in an unholy war against someone who had done nothing to them and which resulted in hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths has yielded what gratitude or quid pro quo from America? Fuck all. And you fucking Europeans deserve it. You Deserve to be treated like shit by America. At least those of you Europeans who remain non-contrite about your American lapdog engagement like the British who elevated Blair to Sir Blair.
Now these same Europeans are summoned to bow down to the American alter, and while simultaneously wriggling to their American overlords economic demands and threats they will need to muster the resources to combat the military threats from Russia, all the while trying to revive their moribund economies. Karma is a dog called Schadenfreude. Actually Karma isn't my ***** because I happen to have most of my assets in Europe. How do you phrase "taking pleasure in seeing you get your just desserts but simultaneously being fucked off at the impact it's going to have on you?" I'm sure the Germans have a word for it.
Welcome to the brave new world. America, Russia (with an economy the size of Italy) and China will rule the world, and Israel will continue to rule America. Meanwhile the Europeans will continue their precipitous decline into irrelevancy.
This is depressing. It looked like we were possibly on the cusp of a cease fire. J.D. Vance should have kept his fat mouth shut, and Trump should have put the full court press on Zelensky (and Putin) to settle this instead of giving up so quickly.'On February 27, expert-level Russian-US consultations between Director of the Foreign Ministry Department of North America Alexander Darchiev and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Sonata Coulter convened in Istanbul. The discussions centred on normalising the operation of diplomatic missions of both countries, building upon recent bilateral engagements at the highest and high levels.
In accordance with the instructions from the foreign policy leadership of both countries, the parties meticulously explored avenues to overcome numerous irritants inherited from previous US administrations. Joint measures were agreed upon to ensure the unfettered mutual financing of Russian and US diplomatic missions' operations and to establish appropriate conditions for diplomats to fulfil their official duties.
The consultations also addressed issues related to Russian diplomatic properties in the United States, with a particular focus on the restitution of six premises unlawfully seized between 2016 and 2018. The necessity of achieving tangible outcomes to foster conditions conducive to improving bilateral relations, in the interests of both nations, was underscored. In particular, the American side was encouraged to consider the restoration of direct air service between the two countries.
The discussions proceeded in a substantive and business-like manner, with both parties agreeing to continue dialogue through this channel. '.
The US can impose sanctions on the Ukrainian regime and start supplying the RF, right? At least there is a talk or resuming direct flights.
As for today's shit show we have a proverb that can be applied to the bastard wretched clown, roughly translated as followed: 'You have pooped your pants, now observe the shit flowing down'.
This is depressing. It looked like we were possibly on the cusp of a cease fire. J.D. Vance should have kept his fat mouth shut, and Trump should have put the full court press on Zelensky (and Putin) to settle this instead of giving up so quickly.I understand why propacondoms are saying what they're saying, but why grownups who watched this disaster can't wrap their minds around the fact that the whole spectacle had been carefully rehearsed and that Zelensky just walked into a well-planned ambush? It so easy.
There is simply no other explanation except Trump being a Russian asset.
None.
This is depressing. It looked like we were possibly on the cusp of a cease fire. J.D. Vance should have kept his fat mouth shut, and Trump should have put the full court press on Zelensky (and Putin) to settle this instead of giving up so quickly.Zelensky showed that in addition to being an asshole, ungrateful, disrespectful and corrupt, he also has a very low EQ.
Zelensky showed that in addition to being an asshole, ungrateful, disrespectful and corrupt, he also has a very low EQ.No, Zelensky showed he has balls to resist to robber, but small size, crazy shameful Trump who tries to fuck Ukraine. My big respect and support to Ukraine which support Zelensky about war and when he is legal according to Ukraine constitution. Ukrainians can be proud to resist to dictator Putin and so shameful Trump who just tries to rob them.
Zelensky showed that in addition to being an asshole, ungrateful, disrespectful and corrupt, he also has a very low EQ.The only thing Zelensky showed is that in addition to being a fearless leader, he can still remain composed while being subjected to intense, unexpected, unprovoked and unprecedented attack from two openly hostile world-class assholes--the attack No other head of state has ever been subjected to from any US presidents in modern American history, and perhaps ever.
P.S. What yours and another asshole's posts are showing about your own characters is irrelevant. You know what you are.
Elvis 2008
03-01-25, 06:51
Zelensky showed that in addition to being an asshole, ungrateful, disrespectful and corrupt, he also has a very low EQ.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E
Zelensky tried to walk it back and appeal to the American people, but I do not think he gets that his audience now is Trump and not the American people. He seems to have believed his own press coverage and when he mentioned fighting for freedom, I am sure many Americans did not gag but I did. Do not talk to me about freedom when you have no free press, are throwing priests in jail, have no opposition parties, and no elections.
Unlike Biden and the press, Trump was not going to fall all over Zelensky with the we are not worthy praise. Trump talked to Putin. He has heard all the nasty shit about what the Ukrainians have done. Hell, Trump leaked to his friends in the media that Zelensky would never sign a peace deal, and Ukraine was likely going to have to send in new leadership who would.
Thing about Zelensky, and Trump got on him about this, was he even dressed offensively. Where is your suit asshole? Zelensky could not believe Trump was taking a middle position and not kissing his ass. Zelensky dressed like he was the most important person in the room, and he got put in his place. Zelensky thought Trump was wearing a suit for him.
When I thought about it, the Trump plan is very solid. The American people are not going to send troops in to defend Ukraine. There is nothing of importance there. The Trump plan was to develop rare earth metals in Ukraine because we need them. China has too much of a monopoly on them. We let Ukraine make some money from the production of these metals and then we have strategic assets in place we have to defend. That is the only way American troops could be involved in Ukraine, if we need them to be there.
Trump said the reason Putin would not break this deal was because Trump signed it. It sounded egotistical but I see why Trump had to say that versus spell out his plan.
In the end, Zelensky and the Democrats have nowhere to go. All they have is Putin sucks, keep fighting, and we will win, and that is why Trump will get his way in the end and win. No one else has a plan for peace other than Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E
Zelensky tried to walk it back and appeal to the American people, but I do not think he gets that his audience now is Trump and not the American people. He seems to have believed his own press coverage and when he mentioned fighting for freedom, I am sure many Americans did not gag but I did. Do not talk to me about freedom when you have no free press, are throwing priests in jail, have no opposition parties, and no elections.-- that parroting other people's lies still makes him a liar?
Elvis 2008
03-01-25, 21:28
No, Zelensky showed he has balls to resist to robber, but small size, crazy shameful Trump who tries to fuck Ukraine. My big respect and support to Ukraine which support Zelensky about war and when he is legal according to Ukraine constitution. Ukrainians can be proud to resist to dictator Putin and so shameful Trump who just tries to rob them.Here is a conversation among two real journalists: Walter Kirn: The crazy thing about that is that at least at one point, Zelensky claimed that he was only getting half of what they were telling us they were sending. Okay? He also, as I mentioned last week, there seems to be some real leakage on that money, because a lot of it is ending up in places like Czechoslovakia, in the form of very nice cars and private schools for Ukrainians who are not part of the war. And so-.
Matt Taibbi: I can't even tell you the different places that I've found money that's supposed to have gone to Ukraine. I mean, I found in Mexico. But anyway, go ahead.
Walter Kirn: So here's Ukraine having to pay us back with real wealth, real goods, minerals, for money that in some ways it didn't receive the benefit of in the first place.
And another excerpt: Walter Kirn: And in those halls, screwing Americans, having lived in Europe and having gone to Oxford, in those halls, screwing Americans is kind of a divine right. In the same way you have the right to treat your dog, or any other lesser being, somewhat according to your whims and will.
So Trump seems immune to the romance of Europe. He doesn't give a rip about their supposed high cultural authority. And what he does is he looks at the bottom line. He knows a deal, a good deal and a bad deal.
And another:
Matt Taibbi: My feelings about this are a little bit accelerated because I spent the whole week while all this was going on trying to follow USAID contracting documents, some of which were perfect metaphors for this entire situation. So for instance, we would send $34 million to an American company, which in turn would send most of that money to a British contractor on the ground, which would hire local social media influencers to create posts in line with American foreign policy objectives. So it's a contracting gravy train that we mostly don't even benefit from in order to prolong a war that also doesn't really benefit the United States. And here are the British offering really nothing, getting most of the money.
And then you have the Europeans posted the same thing after the meet with Zelensky: 'Hive Mind' Globalists All Post Same X Message After Zelensky's Oval Office Humiliation. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hive-mind-globalists-all-post-same-x-message-after-zelenskys-oval-office-humiliation.
The conversation of Taibbi and Kern was actually before the meeting with Zelensky took place, and Taibbi added a lot of context that I had missed. Here is what he wrote:
Zelensky's much-anticipated meeting with Donald Trump and J. The. Vance Friday afternoon led to one of the weirdest Oval Office scenes in history. What started as nervous diplomacy ended as a Three Stooges pie-fight, with the black-costumed Ukrainian leader leaving as two eyeholes covered in cream.
Trump and Vance fared better, but were clearly taken by surprise. Both were expecting Zelensky to sign a deal forking over $500 million in rare earth development rights in exchange for American funding during the the last three years of war. Not until early into the photo op did they realize they'the been punked.
Zelensky's DC visit was not by invitation, or appeared not to be. "I hear that he's coming," Trump said Wednesday. "Certainly it's okay with me if he'the like to. " Trump for the rest of the week told the press it would be a "big deal" if Zelensky signed a financial settlement giving the USA Development rights. In hindsight, he might have done better to wonder why exactly Zelensky was coming.
Zelensky said, "We can't just speak about ceasefire and speak and speak. It will not work. " he mentioned that Putin had violated agreements many times before, so why trust him now? Of course, Trump was saying Putin would be making the deal with Ukraine and the United States, which is different in a thousand ways than a deal with just Ukraine. Zelensky huffed at this, effectively saying he didn't trust America (read: Trump) to hold Putin to his word.
"25 times Putin's broken cease fire," Zelensky said.
He never broke to me," snapped Trump, realizing the meeting had moved into deeper water.
From there it was obvious the two sides had fundamentally different understandings. Trump and Vance clearly saw the minerals deal as a necessary precursor to making a security deal with Putin. Zelensky meanwhile began talking as if he intended to keep fighting with or without American support. One can call that brave, but once Trump and Vance realized they'the invited a throng of international media to have Zelensky call them out on their home ice, the mood turned ugly fast.
Incidentally, it's not hard to sympathize with the idea that Zelensky must do everything possible to keep his country from being overrun. But his only shot was to play to the sympathies of American voters. He did the opposite, doing everything but micturate on the White House furniture.
Europeans really recognize that we are defending line. That's why they helped us. " At this, Trump pointed out that we have a "ocean" between us and Russia and therefore it made no sense that we were paying so much more than Europe. "No, no," Zelensky said, repeatedly denying even the idea that the USA Sent more support than Europe.
Later, Zelensky said, "You have a nice big ocean so you don't feel now, but you'll feel it in the future. " This was Zelensky's faux-soldier act amped to 11, warning about a threat whose gravity only a war-torn hero could understand, invoking the specter of Russia invading the United States.
At this, Trump blew his top. It was a combination of everything: Zelensky continually talking over him and Vance, claiming he was defending Europe and the United States, saying Trump's word was worthless, and acting like he was doing something other than showing up for the umpteenth time to beg more billions out of the American taxpayer, only this time selling himself with rudeness instead of cloying theatrics.
A reporter previously asked if he owned a suit and what the fuck, why did he come to the White House dressed this way? That seemed gratuitous at the time. Now, with his pleas about seriousness, not so much. The exchange got more heated when Vance jumped in, asking if Zelensky had said thank you. Zelensky responded by telling Vance he was wrong if he thought he could win an argument by "speaking wery loudly about the war. ".
Trump verbally stepped in front of Vance, as if ready to throw on his behalf. It was the kind of thing you expect to see at last call of a Midwestern hotel bar, not the White House. "he's not speaking loudly," Trump shouted. "he's not speaking loudly. Your country is in big trouble. ".
Zelensky asked for a minute to speak. Trump said no, because "you've done a lot of talking," and laid into him.
We don't often get to see pure presidential rage in public, but Trump now gave it to Zelensky with both barrels with cameras rolling, yelling over him as he tried to mumble in protest. "You're not winning. You're not winning this. You have a damn good chance of coming out, okay? Because of us. ".
Incredibly, Zelensky used the next pause to up the ante yet again.
"Mr. President, we are staying in our country staying strong," he said. "From the very beginning of the war, we've been alone. ".
Alone? "You haven't been alone!" Trump shouted. "We gave you, through this stupid president, 350 billion you your military equipment and you met a brave, but they had to use our military. If you didn't have our military equipment you invited, if you didn't have our military equipment, this war would've been over in two weeks!
"In three days," Zelensky quipped. "I heard it from Putin. In three days. ".
In this peak-lunacy moment of the visit, Zelensky showed that whatever else one might think of him, he sure has big brass ones. It takes a special type of person to show up uninvited to the White House and accuse the president of being Putin's * in the middle of demanding continued billions from him in military support.
Trump now backed off and composed himself long enough to try to sum up the scene. "I think it's good for the American people to see what's going on," pointing out that Zelensky was refusing a cease-fire, and it's now going to be hard to get a deal done, because "the attitudes have to change. ".
Whether on his own or at the behest of all those Macrons and Harrises and Kristerssons who had statements of support ready for the media this afternoon, Zelensky through his gauntlet-throwing perfomance essentially dared Trump to walk away from Ukraine and NATO. Anyone who thinks he won't do it is delusional. I get the sense there are European officials who still doubt it. Talk about sitting on bad cards. This was going all in with nothing at all.
Once again, neoliberal bureaucrats seem bent on snatching needless war and misery from the jaws of resolution. What a development! Things are likely to fall apart quickly.
Nah, you need to watch the whole thing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_YtXWVfkJE.
There are clips not showing the whole thing.
Things were going well. I could see the goal of Trump was to inform but to present a united front that progress is being made, and things were going smoothly. A reporter asked Trump whose side he was on. Trump was honest. He said that Zelensky hated Biden and vice versa which is true. He then pivoted and said he was on the side of peace and therefore was aligned with peace and the world. All JD Vance did was blast the notion of war and say that all Biden was doing was talking tough when people were dying and advocated for diplomacy. It was not personal towards Zelensky at all.
Zelensky was upset that he was being criticized. You can see Zelensky's body language. At first, he is leaning in towards Vance. Then when Vance responds, Zelensky immediately folds his arms and closes him off. The body language alone told the story. What Zelnsky was doing was going over all the times Putin has broken prior agreements. It showed me that Zelensky was not serious about a cease fire.
Where Zelensky really lost it was he reminded me of a drunk asking for a handout who said, "Well, you may be feeling better now but just wait in the future, your will feel badly too and you will need a handout. " And Trump just destroyed Zelensky when he made that comment, and Vance ripped Zelensky then for a complete lack of gratitude.
If I were on the front lines in Ukraine, I would be furious to see Zelensky mocking diplomacy. They showed a Ukrainian reporter with her hand over her head hiding her embarrassment. I think Zelensky's performance will be received horribly in Ukraine. Lindsay Grahm was a big Zelensky supporter and he pulled the plug after Zelensky's performance.
Now I know why Trump was keeping Zelensky out of the negotiations and just dealing with Putin as Zelensky was not interested in a cease fire. IMO he is out of touch with the Ukrainian soldier and the American tax payer. Trump booted him to the curb and told him come back when you are really ready to make a deal, but Zelensky needs to understand that means weeks not forever.
Zelensky acted like a thin skinned dictator not getting his way. If he is not willing to negotiate then I think we need to make our aid contingent about Ukraine restoring elections, a free press, and restoring opposition parties. I really doubt that Zelensky is representing his country right now. He looks like he is out for himself.OK Elvis, Maybe this is a first. I watched the whole video, and have, to an extent, changed my mind. Here is where the various individuals fucked up. I'll omit Trump's gaffes from the list. He's an old man and not on top of things 100%, so like Biden I won't hold him responsible for his fuckups.
Zelensky's enthusiasm for peace was lacking. For example, he said he still wants Russia to withdraw from occupied lands. He wants sufficient assurances to be reasonably sure Russia won't try this again. He characterized Putin as a killer. He said he wants the Europeans to hand over $300 billion in Russian sovereign assets to Ukraine for rebuilding. He doesn't want a cease fire before locking down terms of a long term deal. If he and Ukraine stick to these positions, the war will probably go on until Ukraine loses.
Zelensky should have addressed questions through a translator. Vance was able to railroad him because his English isn't anywhere close to 100%. Zelensky fucked up by asking Vance a question near the end of the press conference, which gave Vance the opportunity to unload.
Given that Zelensky and Trump weren't on the same page on many issues, they shouldn't have held an hour long press conference. Maybe a few minutes, tops. The press was part of the problem. One reporter said something like "President Zelensky just said he won't compromise. " Reviewing the video, I don't think he said any such thing. Another reporter pointed out that Zelensky was shaking his head when President Trump was talking about security guarantees. He might have been, but he probably didn't fully understand what Trump was saying.
Zelensky should have sucked up his pride and not disagreed with Trump or Vance. When Trump said the USA spent lots more on Ukraine than Russia, Zelensky should have just smiled. Or said Ukraine was very grateful for help from both the USA and Europe, instead of pointing out the USA hadn't spent more. If I understood him correctly, Zelensky told Trump that he (Trump) may share Putin's view that Ukraine is not a real country. Like Vance, he didn't know when to keep his mouth shut, when to put his pride aside. I'm reminded of the great Ghetto Philosopher, Marcellus Wallace. If Bruce Willis had listened to him, three people wouldn't have died. And Marcellus and Willis wouldn't have gotten butt fucked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1q2PitIM9w
Elvis 2008
03-01-25, 22:01
I cannot think of one time Taibbi or Glenn Greenwald have led me wrong. At this point, I am willing to declare the whole Ukraine war is another Russiagate, the demonization of Putin with Europeans and Democrats stuffing their pockets all while blasting Putin. And I am sick to death of the narrative of something so "evil" like Covid or Putin that if you even question the trillions of dollars being spent on said bogeyman, you are flirting with the devil.
In the case of Covid, it was the fucker Fauci who created Covid and in this case IMO, it was the fuckers at NATO who wanted and goaded Putin into war. The very people demanding our money for safety are what unleashed the great evil to begin with.
If you do not get by now that Putin and Russia want peace and the leadership in Ukraine and Europe do not, you are sleeping under a rock. This is the second attempt at ending the war Ukraine or Europe has destroyed.
When VP Vance went to Europe and blasted the leaders for censorship and rigging elections, it went over like a fart in church. The arrogant Europeans responded like how dare you tell us what to do and at this point, I think it is time for the USA to respond in kind.
Russiagate was an attempt to destroy the Trump presidency, and it had its origins in Europe. As Taibbi and Kern pointed out, the American media world is not own and run by Americans but by foreigners with their own agenda.
I was told on this forum what Europeans think. I am so sick of that. When in the world has the always arrogant European given a fuck what an American thought about anything?
Given the grifters in Europe and NATO, given the attempt at manipulating our government with Russiagate and Ukrainegate, given the destruction of the free press, given the absolute rigging of elections in Europe like with Romania or no elections with Ukraine, given the huge contributions we have given to Europe with little in return, and given the socialist nature of much of Europe, why should Americans even care about Europe?
Given the miniscule tax rate and debt of Russia, maybe if Putin took over Europe it would not be such a bad thing. Putin has done a much better job of balancing his nation's check book than European leaders have.
But I want us out of NATO and out of Europe, and I think Trump wants us out too. It is a bad deal. I could not believe this asshole Zelensky coming forward saying he was fighting to protect the USA from Russia. Fuck him and fuck Europe.
Zelensky showed that in addition to being an asshole, ungrateful, disrespectful and corrupt, he also has a very low EQ.
I understand why propacondoms are saying what they're saying, but why grownups who watched this disaster can't wrap their minds around the fact that the whole spectacle had been carefully rehearsed and that Zelensky just walked into a well-planned ambush? It so easy.
There is simply no other explanation except Trump being a Russian asset.
None.
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The US can impose sanctions on the Ukrainian regime and start supplying the RF, right? At least there is a talk or resuming direct flights.
As for today's shit show we have a proverb that can be applied to the bastard wretched clown, roughly translated as followed: 'You have pooped your pants, now observe the shit flowing down'.It was indeed a shit show. I'd say all the participants pooped their pants.
I just want to see this over. Ukrainian and Russian men can stop dying. Ukraine's economy can return to normal. And Russians will be able to get Schengen visas again and use Visa and Mastercards when traveling. Europeans can buy cheap, CLEAN BURNING Russian natural gas instead of burning more coal. The sooner that happens, the better.
I'm fearful that without Trump's involvement, Ukraine, the Europeans and the Russians will draw this out longer than need be.
Did you ever consider Putin should pay a price for his atrocities? Or would you just prefer to be on good business terms with any warlord in the workd?
That was one of the most disgraceful and embarrassing displays of American "diplomacy" I have ever seen in my life. And Vance has the nerve to talk about being disrespectful as he goes on lecturing to our allies about what it means to live in a democracy? At the same time he suckles at the scrotum sack of an asshole who tried to overturn a democratically held and free election in what at least used to be the world's leading democracy. That is until these motherfuckers and their sycophants took charge. Every time I think the United States can't sink any lower under Trump I'm proven wrong! To let that man come to America then to berate him in public like that! You don't want to call the aggressor Putin names because that won't promote peace, but calling Zelensky names will? Ukraine already tried diplomacy with Russia and it didn't work. The man is fighting for the sovereignty of his country! He needs some guarantees to make sure if the lying Russians attack again then Ukraine can and will be defended against future aggression. Is that so unreasonable? This is no longer a democracy we have in America. No, what we now have is an "idiocracy". Ashamed to be an American right now due to the lunacy on display in the White House! On this and other topics I won't go into. I ordinarily would not post about politics while on a mongering trip, but that spectacle I witnessed was extraordinarily shameful!
Newton York
03-02-25, 02:24
I want everyone and everything to end. That's what I want. This world is hell. I never asked to be born and I don't have the guts to kill myself, I just want everything to end.
Elvis 2008
03-02-25, 03:04
Did you ever consider Putin should pay a price for his atrocities? Or would you just prefer to be on good business terms with any warlord in the workd?The Polish political leadership is right up there with the rest of Europe. I found an article where some Polish people were interviewed, and they were very skeptical of the Ukraine good, Russia bad narrative. The Ukrainians undertook a massive and bloody campaign against the Poles in World War 2, and Ukrainian leaders have routinely said that part of Poland belongs to Ukraine.
Outside of Tucker Carlson interviewing Putin, you hear nothing from the Russian side. And when I listen to Matt Taibbi, a reporter I trust, go off on how crazy the Western media is when it comes to Russia, I am even more skeptical of things.
Thing I feel pretty safe in saying then is if you hold Putin accountable for atrocities, he is going to throw it right back in your face and say what about Ukrainian atrocities?
And in the end, we are back to the Putin bashing, and we know Europe and Zelnsky both want continued war, and they are using Putin bashing as the tactic to continue the fight. I have asked this a dozen times to Putin bashers, how do you achieve peace without Putin? There is never an answer.
Putin said there was a deal in place and Boris Johnson scuttled it, and I never heard that until Putin brought it up, and it was true. Trump had a deal in place and Zelensky comes in uninvited, and Trump is okay with that as he thinks Zelensky is going to sign the deal, but no, Zelensky does more Putin bashing.
So I am done with you Putin bashers. Putin and Russia want peace, and you Putin bashers do not, and I am totally uninterested in our providing any more financial or emotional support for Ukraine, and I am sure I am not alone.
If Europe wants this war so damned much, then they can fight Putin on their own and if you hate Putin so much, I am sure the Ukrainian army has a place for you.
Like Vance, he didn't know when to keep his mouth shut, when to put his pride aside. I'm reminded of the great Ghetto Philosopher, Marcellus Wallace. If Bruce Willis had listened to him, three people wouldn't have died. And Marcellus and Willis wouldn't have gotten butt fucked.Aside from your clearly misleading narrative (the fact that Vance INTENTIONALLY and repeatedly provoked Zelensky is clear as day if you really watched the video), what you're basically saying is that Zelensky should've thrown the fight to Putin. There is no other way to read your Pulp Fiction allusion.
What a humanitarian you are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SkW1JnYnas
Given the trajectory at the front, the POTUS should act fast to prevent a possible outcome of the collapse of the AFU, that is the direct conflict in Europe. He should learn from the marxist axiom, 'Yesterday it was too soon, tomorrow it will be late'.
It's still unclear to me in the context of the latest visit, why Mr. Putin is said to renege on the ceasefire agreements? On the contrary, he keeps his word. The position of the RF in the period before the SMO always was that Russia is not part of the conflict between Ukrainian government in Kiev and Donbass. This position was repeated in 2021 during the meeting with P. Biden: the only connection was the signature under Minsk agreements. Recall, in autumn of 2021 the Ukrainian government was parading its position not to implement those agreements and choose Plan be, that is the forceful solution to the conflict. It was that time when the US and EU flooded the country with weaponry and financial support.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
It was indeed a shit show. I'd say all the participants pooped their pants.
I just want to see this over. Ukrainian and Russian men can stop dying. Ukraine's economy can return to normal. And Russians will be able to get Schengen visas again and use Visa and Mastercards when traveling. Europeans can buy cheap, CLEAN BURNING Russian natural gas instead of burning more coal. The sooner that happens, the better.Gee, Tiny, be careful, you only have one heart. Stop worrying about Europeans, at least. They aren't using more coal than before. The US exported LNG has replaced Russian gas, and solar panels have replaced coal. Sure they still have issues, but one issue they don't seem to have anymore is their total dependence on Russian Failed Fascist Mafia State.
The energy appeared cheap, but it exposed us to blackmail, Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, the European Unions executive arm, told the World Economic Forum last month.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/business/ukraine-russia-energy-europe.html
Sleep well tonight.
https://www.facebook.com/100041809329735/videos/621417363940781
'Naff said.
The Polish political leadership is right up there with the rest of Europe. I found an article where some Polish people were interviewed, and they were very skeptical of the Ukraine good, Russia bad narrative. The Ukrainians undertook a massive and bloody campaign against the Poles in World War 2, and Ukrainian leaders have routinely said that part of Poland belongs to Ukraine.
Outside of Tucker Carlson interviewing Putin, you hear nothing from the Russian side. And when I listen to Matt Taibbi, a reporter I trust, go off on how crazy the Western media is when it comes to Russia, I am even more skeptical of things.
Thing I feel pretty safe in saying then is if you hold Putin accountable for atrocities, he is going to throw it right back in your face and say what about Ukrainian atrocities?What about them? You have any facts you'd like to discuss? Any specifics? Anything? Shoot.
And what's stopping you from listening to the Russian side? Seriously, you've got your Tucker, you've got your Questner, you've got your RedBlood, you've got your RT and Sputnik if everything else fails for some reasons. Finally, you've had all Russian sources on the web you can translate with one mouse click.
I mean all those mouthpieces will feed you enough Russian lies to last a lifetime. What are you whining about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SkW1JnYnas
Given the trajectory at the front, the POTUS should act fast to prevent a possible outcome of the collapse of the AFU, that is the direct conflict in Europe. He should learn from the marxist axiom, 'Yesterday it was too soon, tomorrow it will be late'.How are things in Toretsk that your glorious Second Army in Ukraine "captured" on Feb 7?
Pokrovsk -- you promised to "liberate" it by the NYE 2024, no?
Kyiv in three days? Kursk in three days? Sudja in three days?
How's it all going? LOL.
Gee, Tiny, be careful, you only have one heart. Stop worrying about Europeans, at least. They aren't using more coal than before. The US exported LNG has replaced Russian gas, and solar panels have replaced coal. Sure they still have issues, but one issue they don't seem to have anymore is their total dependence on Russian Failed Fascist Mafia State.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/business/ukraine-russia-energy-europe.html
Sleep well tonight.You're right Xpartan! From Eurostat, consumption of coal in Europe was up in 2022, but it probably dropped in 2023! (Only estimates are available for 2023 right now.).
Edit: But from your NYT article the LNG is going to cost out the gazoo! Children in Europe are going to go to bed hungry because of the high cost of LNG! I'm NOT going to sleep well tonight. So thanks for nothing!
Aside from your clearly misleading narrative (the fact that Vance INTENTIONALLY and repeatedly provoked Zelensky is clear as day if you really watched the video), what you're basically saying is that Zelensky should've thrown the fight to Putin. There is no other way to read your Pulp Fiction allusion.
What a humanitarian you are.You're reading that wrong, probably intentionally. The analogy clearly applied to the press conference, and it applied to both Zelensky and Vance.
Zelensky should have done his darnedest to avoid disagreeing with Trump, even when he knew what was coming out of Trump's mouth was fiction. And he should have done it with a smile, in the Ukrainian language. And because he didn't, he's increased the probability more people will die and get butt fucked.
He didn't have to agree to anything. He just needed to kiss Trump's ass, and let his diplomatic corps do its job. That is, get the best deal they could for Ukraine. Or alternately maybe he can stand on principle and continue the war without U.S. help. To the last Ukrainian.
You're reading that wrong, probably intentionally. The analogy clearly applied to the press conference, and it applied to both Zelensky and Vance.
Zelensky should have done his darnedest to avoid disagreeing with Trump, even when he knew what was coming out of Trump's mouth was fiction. And he should have done it with a smile, in the Ukrainian language. And because he didn't, he's increased the probability more people will die and get butt fucked.
He didn't have to agree to anything. He just needed to kiss Trump's ass, and let his diplomatic corps do its job. That is, get the best deal they could for Ukraine. Or alternately maybe he can stand on principle and continue the war without U.S. help. To the last Ukrainian. "To the last Ukrainian" is a mantra of your BFF and paid Russian propacondom BlahRed. Good job, you learn fast!
Now let's move on.
1. Zelensky refused to kiss Putin's ass when everyone told him to; he refused to leave Kyiv when everyone was giving him 3 days; he sure as fuck won't kiss Trump's ass now. What you stubbornly fail to understand, Zelensky is a head of a state, not a minion of those two MF-ers. If he kisses Trump's ass, it's the same as Ukraine kisses Trump's ass. That's not going to happen.
2. What you INTENTIONALLY refuse to see is that Trump had already made his choice. He's with Russia, Russia, Russia now. Whether Zelensky kissed his wrinkly, traitorous ass or not, it wouldn't have any bearings on whatever Trump does next. If Zelensky DID kiss his ass, as, I'm sure, many other ass-kissers suggested, he would be remembered as a man who kissed the mafia Don's ass and still got fucked later.
3. Your allusion clearly stipulates that it was Zelensky's fault, and his fault alone. How does it apply to Vance? Maybe re-read what you wrote if you didn't mean it that way.
However, if you really, truly believe that Vance and Trump went into this meeting without a firm intention to make a scene -- boy, do I have so many bridges to sell you!
You're reading that wrong, probably intentionally. The analogy clearly applied to the press conference, and it applied to both Zelensky and Vance.
Zelensky should have done his darnedest to avoid disagreeing with Trump, even when he knew what was coming out of Trump's mouth was fiction. And he should have done it with a smile, in the Ukrainian language. And because he didn't, he's increased the probability more people will die and get butt fucked.
He didn't have to agree to anything. He just needed to kiss Trump's ass, and let his diplomatic corps do its job. That is, get the best deal they could for Ukraine. Or alternately maybe he can stand on principle and continue the war without U.S. help. To the last Ukrainian. I watched the whole thing a few times (and I don't mean the 10 juicy mins, but the whole presser which lasted more than an hour). Zelensky started it when he was rude to Vance by calling him JD and was condescending towards him. He can disagree with Vance but not in a disrespectful manner. Then he tried to use his usual nonsense fear mongering by implying that Russia will come after them next which is absolute nonsense. Russia is only interested in the Russian speaking parts of Eastern Ukraine, not even western Ukraine, much less western Europe.
Then Zelensky mocked Trump with the 'Putin said he will take Ukraine in 3 days' (a lie, Putin never said that, it was General Mark Milley the former USA CJCS) and was very disrespectful. That was the last straw. Trump had enough, and the rest is history. Zelensky showed that he has a very low EQ. I was actually shocked by his arrogance and belligerence. I also think Trump was extremely arrogant and humiliated Zelensky. And as a result, all of Ukraine. Almost like 'listen, you are my servant, you better shut the fuck up or get the fuck out'. And that's exactly what he did, he kicked Zelensky out! Well deserved too. The sooner Ukraine is rid of this scumbag, the better off it will be, I truly believe that.
Elvis 2008
03-02-25, 18:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SkW1JnYnas
Given the trajectory at the front, the POTUS should act fast to prevent a possible outcome of the collapse of the AFU, that is the direct conflict in Europe. He should learn from the marxist axiom, 'Yesterday it was too soon, tomorrow it will be late'.It is pretty clear to me Zelensky and the European leaders do not want peace, and Russia and the USA do. So the USA is going to go back on its aid and Russia is going to grab more territory. That is a done deal.
The MAGA and Democrat douche responses were pro and anti Trump and predictable. What has changed is Zelensky has lost support among Republican Congressmen. Lindsay Graham was supportive of Zelnsky but is not now. Graham said, "What I saw in the Oval office was disrespectful and I don't know if we can ever do business with Zelenskyy again. " And Republicans in the House and Senate are dead set against giving anything to Ukraine. SEN. ROGER MARSHALL of Kansas said: "Not another penny. " And with Republcians in control of the House, Senate, and Presidency, Zelensky is getting nothing now.
He is going to have grovel like never before, and Trump is going to make him wait and feel the consequences of how stupid he was. Whatever deal Zelensky was asked to sign before, the conditions now are going to be way worse for Ukraine. You can count on that.
It's still unclear to me in the context of the latest visit, why Mr. Putin is said to renege on the ceasefire agreements? On the contrary, he keeps his word. The position of the RF in the period before the SMO always was that Russia is not part of the conflict between Ukrainian government in Kiev and Donbass. This position was repeated in 2021 during the meeting with P. Biden: the only connection was the signature under Minsk agreements. Recall, in autumn of 2021 the Ukrainian government was parading its position not to implement those agreements and choose Plan be, that is the forceful solution to the conflict. It was that time when the US and EU flooded the country with weaponry and financial support.
Yeah, I wanted a balance story on the Minsk accords. Most were the typical it is all Russia's fault, but I found this one that I felt was balanced. It is a Marxist site but I found they described the history of what went out pretty accurate.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html
So the article starts with an accurate description of Putin: The Putin regime represents the interests of the Russian oligarchs who looted the Soviet Union's socialised property and are at war with the Russian working class.
So yeah, the whole Russia is bad, they always break agreements, and Ukraine is great is just more bullshit.
It is pretty clear to me Zelensky and the European leaders do not want peace, and Russia and the USA do.Come on man. They do want peace! It's just that they don't want peace at any price! That means it needs to be a peace that preserves and protects Ukraine's sovereignty as a nation. Why is that so hard for you people to understand? I don't disagree with Trump that the United States ought to get something back for helping Ukraine. Zelensky was ready to sign the rare earths mineral deal, but he needs to know that Ukraine is going to be both supported and defended if the Russians renege on peace and attack Ukraine again. Saying that Ukraine started this war and now doesn't want peace is just plain ignorant! I mean if it was you and your country what would you do? Just sign anything that leaves the door open for Russia to attack again? Put a deal on the table that preserves and protects Ukraine's sovereignty into the future, and the Ukrainians will sign it. None of the signatures on the documents will be worth the paper they're written on though if the West isn't prepared to stand up to Russia if they don't keep their word, which with Putin we know the probability of that happening is high. Putin has to know that if he attacks again, the next time he will have to pay an even greater price for his transgressions.
2. What you INTENTIONALLY refuse to see is that Trump had already made his choice. He's with Russia, Russia, Russia now. Whether Zelensky kissed his wrinkly, traitorous ass or not, it wouldn't have any bearings on whatever Trump does next. If Zelensky DID kiss his ass, as, I'm sure, many other ass-kissers suggested, he would be remembered as a man who kissed the mafia Don's ass and still got fucked later.
3. Your allusion clearly stipulates that it was Zelensky's fault, and his fault alone. How does it apply to Vance? Maybe re-read what you wrote if you didn't mean it that way.
However, if you really, truly believe that Vance and Trump went into this meeting without a firm intention to make a scene -- boy, do I have so many bridges to sell you!Read the first sentence in your post #3924, where you quoted me, "Like Vance, he didn't know when to keep his mouth shut, when to put his pride aside. " You should listen to the whole press conference, all 50 minutes of it, like Elvis, Blood Red and I have. You see Trump swallowing his pride during the first 40 minutes or so, and not challenging Zelensky. That didn't happen until after Vance chimed in, after Trump was trying to wind up the press conference.
Winston S. Churchill, probably referring to conversations with the president before the USA entered the war, said "No lover ever studied every whim of his mistress as I did those of President Roosevelt. " That's what Zelensky would have done if he were wise, instead of arguing and sitting cross armed.
Trump said the group will take one more question. Then Zelensky piped up out of nowhere and told Vance he had a question for him. That would indicate that Vance and Trump went into the meeting without the intention of making a scene. If Zelensky would have kept quiet, instead of trying to debate Vance and Trump in his third language, this probably never would have happened.
But continue on with your idealism if it makes you feel happy or morally superior. Hopefully the people in charge won't continue this war to the last Ukrainian..
I watched the whole thing a few times (and I don't mean the 10 juicy mins, but the whole presser which lasted more than an hour). Zelensky started it when he was rude to Vance by calling him JD and was condescending towards him. He can disagree with Vance but not in a disrespectful manner. Then he tried to use his usual nonsense fear mongering by implying that Russia will come after them next which is absolute nonsense. Russia is only interested in the Russian speaking parts of Eastern Ukraine, not even western Ukraine, much less western Europe.
Then Zelensky mocked Trump with the 'Putin said he will take Ukraine in 3 days' (a lie, Putin never said that, it was General Mark Milley the former USA CJCS) and was very disrespectful. That was the last straw. Trump had enough, and the rest is history. Zelensky showed that he has a very low EQ. I was actually shocked by his arrogance and belligerence. I also think Trump was extremely arrogant and humiliated Zelensky. And as a result, all of Ukraine. Almost like 'listen, you are my servant, you better shut the fuck up or get the fuck out'. And that's exactly what he did, he kicked Zelensky out! Well deserved too. The sooner Ukraine is rid of this scumbag, the better off it will be, I truly believe that.After viewing the whole exchange, admittedly only once, I believe a big part of the problem was that Trump and Vance, for for that matter probably Rubio, Waltz and others, didn't believe Zelensky was willing to accept conditions that would be necessary for a ceasefire. My thought that this was a travesty has mellowed. Perhaps this was the kick in the pants Zelensky and other Ukrainian power brokers needed to get serious about ending this.
Elvis 2008
03-02-25, 21:09
What about them? You have any facts you'd like to discuss? Any specifics? Anything? Shoot.
And what's stopping you from listening to the Russian side? Seriously, you've got your Tucker, you've got your Questner, you've got your RedBlood, you've got your RT and Sputnik if everything else fails for some reasons. Finally, you've had all Russian sources on the web you can translate with one mouse click.
I mean all those mouthpieces will feed you enough Russian lies to last a lifetime. What are you whining about?Okay, let us start with an easy one. Was I making it up when Victoria Nuland was picking who was going to run Ukraine in 2014? Did I make it up when Nuland was told the EU wanted a different leader than the one she chose and said "Fuck the EU"?
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/us-envoy-says-f-k-the-eu-in-leaked-recording/
Nuland said she did not think that Klitschko should be in government. She said that "Yatse", meaning Yatsenyuk, "is the guy" to be prime minister, while Klitschko, from the outside, should keep the unity of the opposition. Klitscko working under Yatsenyuk is not going to work, she said.
I find it curious how Democratic officials are so interested in propping up Ukrainian leaders. Biden gets a prosecutor fired who is investigating his son, and there is this. Are you willing to fess up now and admit you were wrong about Nuland?
As for Zelensky's claim that Putin is always breaking cease fires, there was an article I linked that I felt was balanced. I have not fact checked all that it said, but I found it very credible with the history of this conflict. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html.
Merkel has made few public statements since she was replaced as chancellor by Olaf Scholz in Germany a year ago, after sixteen years in office. The extensive interview published by Die Zeit on December 7 is a rare exception.
All the more remarkable is her admission that the Minsk agreement served to buy time for Ukraine's rearmament. "It was clear to all of us that this was a frozen conflict, that the problem had not been solved, but that is precisely what gave Ukraine valuable time," Merkel told Die Zeit.
Previously, the Minsk agreement, which Merkel signed together with then-French President Franois Hollande, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and Russian President Vladimir Putin in September 2014, had been portrayed as an effort towards peace that the Russian president had allegedly later thwarted.
Now, Merkel confirms that NATO wanted war from the start but needed time to prepare militarily.
Just two months after Merkel's third government took office, the US and Germany organized a coup in Ukraine in February 2014 that used fascist militias to help a pro-NATO regime come to power. Washington and Berlin had a problem, however. The dominant role played in the new regime by right-wing nationalists, admirers of Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, and fascist militias divided the country. Especially in the majority Russian-speaking east, where the prospect of being ruled by Ukrainian ultranationalists was met with horror.
Russia, fearing for its Black Sea fleet base in Sevastopol, annexed Crimea with the help of a referendum. Russian-backed separatists proclaimed independent republics in Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine.
The new rulers in Kiev were unable to prevent this. The Ukrainian army had fallen apart. Soldiers unwilling to sacrifice themselves for the new regime had deserted en masse.
Under these circumstances, Merkel and Hollande organized the Minsk agreementas Merkel now admitsto freeze the conflict and buy time. The agreement included a cease-fire, the withdrawal of heavy weapons, and the establishment of a security zone, monitored by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). The Ukrainian government pledged to amend the constitution to allow special status for Donetsk and Luhansk and grant them greater autonomy.
Hardly any of this was ever implemented. In particular, the Ukrainian side boycotted all agreements. It did not want a negotiated settlement. Lacking soldiers ready to fight, the newly installed President Petro Poroshenko mobilized the Azov battalion and other fascist militias, which the billionaire oligarch partly financed from his own assets. They were integrated into the armed forces and sent into the breakaway regions to terrorize the local population and keep the conflict going.
The regime in Kievwhether under Poroshenko or his successor Zelenskyand its backers in Berlin and Washington, were never interested in a peaceful solution. They were interested in buying time to escalate the wareven if this had disastrous consequences for the population of the affected areas.
The German Institute for International and Security Affairs (SWP), which is close to the German government and has no sympathy for Russia, published a paper "The Donbas Conflict" in February 2019 three years before the current war broke out. It paints a devastating picture, which makes clear that the regime in Kiev has always been concerned with geopolitical goals in the Donbas conflictlinking up with NATO, isolating Russiaand that it was willing to ruthlessly sacrifice the fate of the Ukrainian population to these goals.
End of link. I am not sure I buy all that was written but go ahead and tear it up. I am not saying all in the article is right, but I thought it was more accurate than the Ukraine good, Russia bad nonsense the MSM and Zelensky are pushing.
Axel Heyst
03-02-25, 21:14
Tiny, it was a fucking disaster, although quite a show, no matter which way you slice it. I saw it live and I could not believe what I was seeing. Of course Ukraine's security concerns are real. Nobody trusts Putin, a cold blooded murderer, but these concerns should have been voiced in private, not in front of the world in the White House. I score it Ukraine -5, the USA -1. 5, and Putin +2. Zelensky obviously fucked up, maybe he was jet lagged, but I assume the rift will only be temporary unless the Z man is interested in committing national suicide and losing another million or so of his people over the next few years.
Check out Victor Davis Hanson's observations:
"Friday's extraordinary Oval Office meeting between President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy went off the rails, leaving hopes for a USA -brokered peace deal between Russia and Ukraine in question. Here are some reasons why things went wrong, and where it leaves efforts to end the war.
1. Zelenskyy does not grasp or deliberately ignores the bitter truth: Those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (as with his Scranton, Penn. Campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being "briefed" by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine's as they feign.
2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agenda and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to "reset" with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone's sake.
3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the USA Promises, promisesgiven that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsession, and spend 3-5% of their GDP on defense. The USA Does not just pay 16% of NATO's budget, but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop, patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogue states that otherwise might interrupt Europe's commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.
4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once-deal-breaking impediments to peace have been settled. Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO, and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector / tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin, unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions, has now incurred a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.
5. What are Zelenskyy's alternatives without much USA Helpwait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a third Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ? And hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?
6. If there is a cease-fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?
7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine, suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damagenone of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile President Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and, when visiting, was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted and berated a host and patron president in the White House.
8. If Ukraine has alienated the USA, what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy's cards he seems to think form a winning hand?
9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite welluntil Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was nave for such a supposedly worldly leader.
10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyivbut three years and 1. 5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in spring 2025.
Quo vadis, Volodymyr?
Do you believe developments over the last 72 hours could actually be positive? It looks like Europe and Ukraine are coming up with a proposal for terms for a ceasefire. And Russia and the USA will probably do the same. Perhaps that makes sense. If you have Putin and Zelensky or their subordinates in the same room, they'd likely be at each others throats.
After the breakdown in Washington maybe Zelensky will become more realistic about terms for a ceasefire. And presumably Zelensky and the Europeans will put together a proposal for security guarantees, backed up by European troops on the ground, that would make the Ukrainians feel secure.
Russia's got to want to see relations with the world return to normal, and must be getting a whiff of what that would be like in discussions with the Trump administration about renewing direct air service and the like.
What do you think?
Read the first sentence in your post #3924, where you quoted me, "Like Vance, he didn't know when to keep his mouth shut, when to put his pride aside. " You should listen to the whole press conference, all 50 minutes of it, like Elvis, Blood Red and I have. You see Trump swallowing his pride during the first 40 minutes or so, and not challenging Zelensky. That didn't happen until after Vance chimed in, after Trump was trying to wind up the press conference.Pride? What pride? Trump's? The only thing Trump swallowed was cum leftovers on the back of his throat from blowing Putin over and over again.
Vance? The living and breathing lump of dung? The one who called him American Hitler before crawling back to his new owner for docile servitude? That Vance?
Tell me if you will: How did Zelensky offend Trump? By calling Putin a murderer and terrorist? By stating that he must pay for his crimes? By suggesting that he pays reparation for the extreme damage and loss of lives he instilled on his country? That offended Trump? Wow!
That said, I came here bearing a gift.
I did re-watch this astonishing disgrace again, and I'll give you two concessions.
1. Zelensky shouldn't have addressed Vance directly. That was definitely a mistake. He just should've expressed his opinions by talking to the media.
2. he should've spoken via the interpreter the whole time. His English is much better now than it was in 2022, but talking in his native tongue would've helped him under the sustained attack from two vicious assholes. Then again, he didn't expect an ambush.
Winston S. Churchill, probably referring to conversations with the president before the USA entered the war, said "No lover ever studied every whim of his mistress as I did those of President Roosevelt. " That's what Zelensky would have done if he were wise, instead of arguing and sitting cross armed.But that's exactly what Zelensky had done since Trump won the election. Thanking him profusely (for NOTHING by the way) on all and every occasion, smiling to the man who had wronged him for years at every turn, who'd already called him a dictator and blamed HIM, not Putin for the war.
Of course, Roosevelt never berated his allies, so we don't know if Churchill would've argued or sat "cross armed", if he had. Churchill, from what I've read, had an explosive personality, and I don't see him taking it up his ass from a scum like Trump. Actually, I think with Churchill things could've gone physical.
BTW, your bringing up Churchill is very unfortunate. Not only is it insulting to compare a titan like Roosevelt to the utter piece of shit we're having in the WH today, but please do some reading on how respectfully Churchill and Roosevelt were treating their ally De Gaulle despite hating his guts.
You're simply don't do something like this to your allies. Of course, when your ally is a dictator and war criminal, all bets are off.
I watched the whole thing a few times (and I don't mean the 10 juicy mins, but the whole presser which lasted more than an hour).Now THAT I believe. But here's the real question: are you and your comrades Scotch people or Champaign people, or both? And did the management provide the booze or did you pool your own resources? I mean, that was your personal Victory Day, wasn't it?
Do you believe developments over the last 72 hours could actually be positive? It looks like Europe and Ukraine are coming up with a proposal for terms for a ceasefire. And Russia and the USA will probably do the same. Perhaps that makes sense. If you have Putin and Zelensky or their subordinates in the same room, they'd likely be at each others throats.
After the breakdown in Washington maybe Zelensky will become more realistic about terms for a ceasefire. And presumably Zelensky and the Europeans will put together a proposal for security guarantees, backed up by European troops on the ground, that would make the Ukrainians feel secure.
Russia's got to want to see relations with the world return to normal, and must be getting a whiff of what that would be like in discussions with the Trump administration about renewing direct air service and the like.
What do you think?And this man calls me an idealist!
Putin couldn't be happier with Russia at war and his power unchallenged. His only concern now is a rapidly deteriorating economy, but he has Trump to fix it.
Putin will only stop when he can't fight any longer, which would happen THIS YEAR if a different president took the WH. Since that's not what happened, his errand boy will finish the destructions of the US Defense sector, put a stop to all Ukraine military assistance, degrade the Nato capabilities, remove the most important economic sanctions (and pressure Europe to do the same), and start cooperating with Russia on joint economic programs. With the economic blockade broken, there are no incentives for Putin to stop the war other than on their terms, which means Ukraine's capitulation.
It must feel like Christmas in Kremlin.
And man, how I wish to be wrong, but, unfortunately, I've been 100% right about everything regarding Trump so far (go ahead and check my old posts! And I don't see that changing. The only weak hope for Ukraine now is if Dems flip the Congress in 2028, but by then, Trump and his minions will have been totally entrenched.
What do you think?I see a dictator in Ukraine with no interest to make peace. Ukraine is fucked.
Do you believe developments over the last 72 hours could actually be positive? It looks like Europe and Ukraine are coming up with a proposal for terms for a ceasefire. And Russia and the USA will probably do the same. Perhaps that makes sense. If you have Putin and Zelensky or their subordinates in the same room, they'd likely be at each others throats.
After the breakdown in Washington maybe Zelensky will become more realistic about terms for a ceasefire. And presumably Zelensky and the Europeans will put together a proposal for security guarantees, backed up by European troops on the ground, that would make the Ukrainians feel secure.
Russia's got to want to see relations with the world return to normal, and must be getting a whiff of what that would be like in discussions with the Trump administration about renewing direct air service and the like.
What do you think?The best for current regime is Kiev is to accept Putin's proposal of June 2024.
Zelensky kaput, he is an expired former President, he even can't resign now.
We will not allow any European intervention whatsoever. As we say 'I won't even poop with you nearby in the open field'. Recall Macron at the end of the table across Putin in Moscow? Keen to know why?
No ceasefire until the treaty is signed. As we say, 'Money upfront from the buyer in the morning, and the chairs go to the buyer in the evening'.
As for guarantees, my view, it can be modeled after Austrian Treatise of 1955.
Remember, Ukrainian conflict is just a child of a deterioration in US / Russia relations and a deterioration of security in Europe prior to 2008.
And this man calls me an idealist!
Putin couldn't be happier with Russia at war and his power unchallenged. His only concern now is a rapidly deteriorating economy, but he has Trump to fix it.
Putin will only stop when he can't fight any longer, which would happen THIS YEAR if a different president took the WH. Since that's not what happened, his errand boy will finish the destructions of the US Defense sector, put a stop to all Ukraine military assistance, degrade the Nato capabilities, remove the most important economic sanctions (and pressure Europe to do the same), and start cooperating with Russia on joint economic programs. With the economic blockade broken, there are no incentives for Putin to stop the war other than on their terms, which means Ukraine's capitulation.
It must feel like Christmas in Kremlin.
And man, how I wish to be wrong, but, unfortunately, I've been 100% right about everything regarding Trump so far (go ahead and check my old posts! And I don't see that changing. The only weak hope for Ukraine now is if Dems flip the Congress in 2028, but by then, Trump and his minions will have been totally entrenched.I've been right since 2023, pointing out the obvious, that the two sides were engaged in WWI trench warfare and should settle this. And that Russia was dead set on not losing, ergo Ukraine could not win. I believe that you on the other hand have been predicting an imminent Ukrainian victory since then.
Pride? What pride? Trump's? The only thing Trump swallowed was cum leftovers on the back of his throat from blowing Putin over and over again.
Vance? The living and breathing lump of dung? The one who called him American Hitler before crawling back to his new owner for docile servitude? That Vance?
Tell me if you will: How did Zelensky offend Trump? By calling Putin a murderer and terrorist? By stating that he must pay for his crimes? By suggesting that he pays reparation for the extreme damage and loss of lives he instilled on his country? That offended Trump? Wow!
That said, I came here bearing a gift.
I did re-watch this astonishing disgrace again, and I'll give you two concessions.
1. Zelensky shouldn't have addressed Vance directly. That was definitely a mistake. He just should've expressed his opinions by talking to the media.
2. he should've spoken via the interpreter the whole time. His English is much better now than it was in 2022, but talking in his native tongue would've helped him under the sustained attack from two vicious assholes. Then again, he didn't expect an ambush.
But that's exactly what Zelensky had done since Trump won the election. Thanking him profusely (for NOTHING by the way) on all and every occasion, smiling to the man who had wronged him for years at every turn, who'd already called him a dictator and blamed HIM, not Putin for the war.
Of course, Roosevelt never berated his allies, so we don't know if Churchill would've argued or sat "cross armed", if he had. Churchill, from what I've read, had an explosive personality, and I don't see him taking it up his ass from a scum like Trump. Actually, I think with Churchill things could've gone physical.
BTW, your bringing up Churchill is very unfortunate. Not only is it insulting to compare a titan like Roosevelt to the utter piece of shit we're having in the WH today, but please do some reading on how respectfully Churchill and Roosevelt were treating their ally De Gaulle despite hating his guts.
You're simply don't do something like this to your allies. Of course, when your ally is a dictator and war criminal, all bets are off.Yeah, you're repeating what I already said, about Zelensky addressing Vance and needing an interpreter.
And yeah, you're right about Trump's thin skin and De Gaulle. So what. Trump's a narcissist and Zelensky should have know that when he went to Washington. Maybe he should have treated Trump like Churchill treated De Gaulle, especially considering Trump is potentially key for Ukraine's survival.
Again, after thinking this over, I'm not sure Trump did a bad thing on Friday, if it ultimately helps gets the two sides to a lasting agreement.
Roosevelt's your hero, not mine.
The best for current regime is Kiev is to accept Putin's proposal of June 2024.
Zelensky kaput, he is an expired former President, he even can't resign now.
We will not allow any European intervention whatsoever. As we say 'I won't even poop with you nearby in the open field'. Recall Macron at the end of the table across Putin in Moscow? Keen to know why?
No ceasefire until the treaty is signed. As we say, 'Money upfront from the buyer in the morning, and the chairs go to the buyer in the evening'.
As for guarantees, my view, it can be modeled after Austrian Treatise of 1955.
Remember, Ukrainian conflict is just a child of a deterioration in US / Russia relations and a deterioration of security in Europe prior to 2008.I hope and pray Russia will be more flexible Questner. If Ukraine did turn out like Austria, meaning neutral and a prosperous member of the EU, it would be ideal. But I don't think Ukraine and the Europeans will go for that. I appreciate your point of view, it's interesting to know, and I expect that Russia will start negotiations with those goals in mind.
Tiny, it was a fucking disaster, although quite a show, no matter which way you slice it. I saw it live and I could not believe what I was seeing. Of course Ukraine's security concerns are real. Nobody trusts Putin, a cold blooded murderer, but these concerns should have been voiced in private, not in front of the world in the White House. I score it Ukraine -5, the USA -1. 5, and Putin +2. Zelensky obviously fucked up, maybe he was jet lagged, but I assume the rift will only be temporary unless the Z man is interested in committing national suicide and losing another million or so of his people over the next few years.
Check out Victor Davis Hanson's observations....Very interesting observations Axel. Thanks for posting that. I agree strongly with #2 and #9. Hanson has some ideas for post-ceasefire security that would certainly provide strong assurances to Ukraine. The question is whether Russia would go for them.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people: https://youtu.be/VaW2BNNCnrE?si=zf0ZBIv37AozlGSc.
Elvis 2008
03-03-25, 19:17
I see a dictator in Ukraine with no interest to make peace. Ukraine is fucked.I agree. Thing about this incident is the Democratic douches are using this incident to bash Trump like they always have.
But Zelensky had a supporter in Congress with Lindsay Graham, and Zelensky said this about Graham, Reporter: Senator Graham said that perhaps you should consider resigning.
Zelensky: I can give him the citizenship of Ukraine. He will become a citizen of our country, and then his voice will gain weight.
And this came out as well: In 2022, NBC was reporting that Joe Biden lost his temper with Zelensky because he wasn't grateful and he was very demanding.
People have said that Zelensky acted like a person using cocaine. What I can certainly say is he acted like a cocaine addict desperate for money.
If Zelensky was not going to go forward with a cease fire agreement, what was he even doing in the USA? He came to the USA to sign an agreement that allowed for American companies to invest in Ukraine. In other words, his visit was not about peace. He was in the USA to get more money.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people: https://youtu.be/VaW2BNNCnrE?si=zf0ZBIv37AozlGSc.
Trump is not just changing American foreign policy. He is reorienting America's moral compass, a compass that has been firmly set since the country's founding almost 250 years ago.Yep! 100%.
Elvis 2008
03-03-25, 21:24
Putin couldn't be happier with Russia at war and his power unchallenged. His only concern now is a rapidly deteriorating economy, but he has Trump to fix it.
Putin will only stop when he can't fight any longer, which would happen THIS YEAR if a different president took the WH. Since that's not what happened, his errand boy will finish the destructions of the US Defense sector, put a stop to all Ukraine military assistance, degrade the Nato capabilities, remove the most important economic sanctions (and pressure Europe to do the same), and start cooperating with Russia on joint economic programs. With the economic blockade broken, there are no incentives for Putin to stop the war other than on their terms, which means Ukraine's capitulation.
It must feel like Christmas in Kremlin.Yeah, I cannot say I disagree with you, however I think you do not get that Republicans, Trump, the Ukrainian people and Putin want peace. Democrats, European leaders, and Zelensky want war, so to you, Putin winning is your losing. I think the parties who want peace including Putin won.
But yeah, the war is going to end when Putin wants it to. The USA will use the removal of sanctions as leverage to get a better deal for the Ukrainian people and ourselves but there is no doubt that Russia is going to do well when this war ends, and the sanctions are removed.
As for NATO, yeah, I hope we pull out. They remind me of a police force trying to create bad guys to justify their existence when there is no crime. It is just one debacle after another. I do not know what the USA gets out of being in NATO.
Thing is from a debt POV Europe is in way worse shape than the USA which is in way worse shape than Russia. Russia does not have the nanny socialist state that Europe does, and Europe does not pay much for its own defense; they sponge off of us.
The only weak hope for Ukraine now is if Dems flip the Congress in 2028, but by then, Trump and his minions will have been totally entrenched.I think you are confusing Zelensky and his cronies for the people of Ukraine. I think the people of Ukraine want peace. The Ukraine delegation was near tears after Zelensky pulled his coke fueled rant.
As for you Democratic douches, when you were running around crucifying Trump for pieces of paper and a check to a porn star, can we admit the truth now? Your demented president blew up Nordstream in an act of war against Russia. What were the chances that would lead to an all out nuclear war? 1%? 2%? How fucking stupid was that? That is why I call you all Democratic douches. Your priorities are so fucked up!
And you keep up this bullshit about what a danger Putin is and was? OMG. You Democratic douches and the European leaders are more of a threat to the planet than Putin ever was. Thank God he was more rational than you fools were! So when you Putin bashers are out smashing away at him, the rest of the world owes him a debt of gratitude for keeping his cool.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGq219qBEAV/#.
I've been right since 2023, pointing out the obvious, that the two sides were engaged in WWI trench warfare and should settle this. And that Russia was dead set on not losing, ergo Ukraine could not win. I believe that you on the other hand have been predicting an imminent Ukrainian victory since then.So your reasoning is that when one side wants to win very, very much, it somehow guarantees their victory?
You serious?
When in the history of warfare, was ANY COUNTRY "dead set on losing"? Was Russia "dead set on losing" the Crimean War? The Japanese War? The WW1? The Winter War? The Afghan War? Any of other multiple conflicts it's lost during its long, bloody history?
Yeah, you're repeating what I already said, about Zelensky addressing Vance and needing an interpreter.
And yeah, you're right about Trump's thin skin and De Gaulle. So what. Trump's a narcissist and Zelensky should have know that when he went to Washington. I didn't "repeat" what you said, Tiny. Like I explained in my post, I simply agreed with you on these particular points. If you can't see the difference, that's fine, too.
Sorry I had to snip the rest of your quote because that's utter nonsense, and I've also developed thin skin for that lately.
I've gone from thinking "WTF were Vance and Trump doing, why couldn't they keep their mouths shut," to believing maybe they did the right thing. The following is from the Associated Press, today. Zelenskyy needs some prodding to come to the table.
Zelenskyy:
A deal to end the war between Ukraine and Russia "is still very, very far away," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said, adding that he believed Ukraine's long-term partnership with the USA Was strong enough that American support would continue despite recent fraught relations with USA President Donald Trump.
"I think our relationship (with the USA) will continue, because it's more than an occasional relationship," Zelenskyy said late Sunday, referring to Washington's support for the past three years of war.
"I believe that Ukraine has a strong enough partnership with the United States of America" to keep aid flowing, he said at a briefing in Ukrainian before leaving London.
Trump's Reply:
"This is the worst statement that could have been made by Zelenskyy, and America will not put up with it for much longer!" Trump said in a post on his Truth Social platform.
"It is what I was saying, this guy doesn't want there to be Peace as long as he has America's backing and, Europe, in the meeting they had with Zelenskyy, stated flatly that they cannot do the job without the USA Probably not a great statement to have been made in terms of a show of strength against Russia," Trump added in his post. "What are they thinking?
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...a92adad1715231
According to a Gallup poll, 52% of Ukrainians want an end to the war as soon as possible. 38% believe their country should keep fighting until victory.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/...d-end-war.aspx
Time to end the madness.
There is no doubt anymore why Trump and Vance put on that show on Feb 28. It's all clear as day. Turned a bit clumsy, but they got a formal excuse they can now throw at some of their supporters who love Trump and dislike Putin. This is what it was all about from the beginning.
U.S. Pauses All Military Aid to Ukraine
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-pauses-all-military-aid-to-ukraine/ar-AA1AaF5c
From now on, only morons or scumbags can keep denying Trump / Vance's CLEAR INTENT to derail the deal and throw Putin a rope. Good job America.
Trump has to put all his chips in or move 'va banque' (and this is never done in real estate where risk the borrowed funds) to achieve any success. Without it two years from now the conflict still be ongoing. Ukrainian won't sign anything. The British war party prefers muddy waters and war to any peace. The resource 'deal' is a joke. The resources are there to benefit the oligarchs with a few crumbs left for budget, why would anyone allow the spoils to flow west?
Also, let's start to debunk cliches. A war to the last Ukrainian is one of them. Once 60% plus of the army will be wiped out the AFU will collapse. The war will end then (unless Europeans step in to die).
'Putin can't be trusted' is another cliche. You don't have to trust him to sign a treaty with the RF. Putin is not a religion.
Another cliche: There were no elections in Great Britain during WWII. So what? There were elections in the US during WWII and also technically Ukraine is not at war, there is only Marshal law in the country. Ukraine did not declare war on Russia. Russia did not declare war on Ukraine. So, Rada should oust the bastard and call on elections.
I've been right since 2023, pointing out the obvious, that the two sides were engaged in WWI trench warfare and should settle this. And that Russia was dead set on not losing, ergo Ukraine could not win. I believe that you on the other hand have been predicting an imminent Ukrainian victory since then.
Yeah, you're repeating what I already said, about Zelensky addressing Vance and needing an interpreter.
And yeah, you're right about Trump's thin skin and De Gaulle. So what. Trump's a narcissist and Zelensky should have know that when he went to Washington. Maybe he should have treated Trump like Churchill treated De Gaulle, especially considering Trump is potentially key for Ukraine's survival.
Again, after thinking this over, I'm not sure Trump did a bad thing on Friday, if it ultimately helps gets the two sides to a lasting agreement.
Roosevelt's your hero, not mine.Trump has real lack of knowledge about the world, but typical American not knowing more than USA. Also senile schizophren only able to threaten and try to put fire everywhere, what he showed in front of the whole world. When Russia would be broke at the end of the year if still isolated, but Trump will help Putin and blackmailing poor Ukraine, when he knows he lost for economics versus Europe when he can t compete for quality and versus cheap China. USA always made good money from wars, even when they lost, but now really shameful to rob Ukrainians they didn't even protect. Some countries will boycott so shameful now USA, so many don t want anymore Tesla from facist fool Musk and Europe have now to live without USA when can t trust so crazies. Only good point is USA congress don t agree with Trump gang and Trump is failing a lot for his decisions about inside USA, at least few are not as crazy as this senile.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people: https://youtu.be/VaW2BNNCnrE?si=zf0ZBIv37AozlGSc.The Video is actually made me say wtf. Who is this presenter? Is he seriously deranged in his idea that "we used to be the good guys but now we're not"? LOL, what deluded BS!
Those seriously ill informed that "it were not always ever so" I would advise a little edification. I don't like Trump and I think his behaviour demeaned America but simply the only difference between him and predecessors is that he wears his intentions on his sleeve. There never was a "truth, justice and American way" golden period. What will happen to Ukraine is just another in the series of governments, states and leaders, some democratic, which America has deposed throughout history. The nerve of this presenter in brushing aside misadventures with "oh sure we made mistakes". Millions dead in Vietnam is not a "mistake". Nor was Iraq a "mistake". Nor is the systematic theft of the Palestinian's lands a "mistake". Nor was the deposition of a Iran's democracy a "mistake". These were calculated decisions by America, to further its interests at the time historically or more recently as a consequence of influence and lobbying on the levers of Government (which yet again makes a mockery about its democratic credentials) by nefarious confederations of neo-cons and zionists.
The American people aren't stupider than any other- they are very ill informed about the world though- and they are subject to the same demagoguery that populists throughout the world and throughout history have used successfully.
Ukraine is a pawn between America and Russia and they need to accept reality that a ceasefire on their terms is unlikely- I don't blame Zalinsky for holding out but he will need to face reality. A reality that the ROW including the dumb fuck Europeans are only now waking up to. That when someone smiles at you and charms you and acts like he's your buddy but acts like a motherfucker to others, then the fool is you for believing that the same won't happen to you sooner or later.
None of this detracts from the stupidity of Trump in turning an almost win-win-win-win deal (America-Ukraine-Russia-World) situation into a lose-lose-lose-win scenario. The man's a fucking idiot, not a deal maker.
But the simple fact remains, it's those who bought into America's consistent self interested disingenuity and duplicity have only themselves to blame.
Trump has to put all his chips in or move 'va banque' (and this is never done in real estate where risk the borrowed funds) to achieve any success. Without it two years from now the conflict still be ongoing. Ukrainian won't sign anything. The British war party prefers muddy waters and war to any peace. The resource 'deal' is a joke. The resources are there to benefit the oligarchs with a few crumbs left for budget, why would anyone allow the spoils to flow west?
Also, let's start to debunk cliches. A war to the last Ukrainian is one of them. Once 60% plus of the army will be wiped out the AFU will collapse. The war will end then (unless Europeans step in to die).
'Putin can't be trusted' is another cliche. You don't have to trust him to sign a treaty with the RF. Putin is not a religion.
Another cliche: There were no elections in Great Britain during WWII. So what? There were elections in the US during WWII and also technically Ukraine is not at war, there is only Marshal law in the country. Ukraine did not declare war on Russia. Russia did not declare war on Ukraine. So, Rada should oust the bastard and call on elections.Ukrainians and even Porochenko are behind Zelensky about this war only due to Putin craziness, and Trump is as crazy. When Europe gave more money than USA and should give again much more, Ukraine should not sign anything when can t trust schizophrene Trump who just want to rob them. The world saw the shame of Trump and Vance who are sucking Putin in front of all of us.
There is no doubt anymore why Trump and Vance put on that show on Feb 28. It's all clear as day. Turned a bit clumsy, but they got a formal excuse they can now throw at some of their supporters who love Trump and dislike Putin. This is what it was all about from the beginning.
U.S. Pauses All Military Aid to Ukraine
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-pauses-all-military-aid-to-ukraine/ar-AA1AaF5c
From now on, only morons or scumbags can keep denying Trump / Vance's CLEAR INTENT to derail the deal and throw Putin a rope. Good job America.It's the only way to bring that clown you jerk off to to the negotiating table. Time to end the bloodshed and make peace.
Elvis 2008
03-04-25, 22:14
Ukrainians and even Porochenko are behind Zelensky about this war only due to Putin craziness, and Trump is as crazy. When Europe gave more money than USA and should give again much more, Ukraine should not sign anything when can t trust schizophrene Trump who just want to rob them. The world saw the shame of Trump and Vance who are sucking Putin in front of all of us.Well, you are already wrong: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-ukraine-prepare-sign-minerals-deal-tuesday-sources-say-2025-03-04/.
If anyone wants to know what really happened, here you go. This is the discussion of two real journalists, Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS8rneA7cWY.
Short version is Zelensky was prepped to do what he did by American Democrats and European leaders. The plan was to shame Trump, embrace Zelensky, and keep the war money flowing. It was almost a we dare you to cut the money off Trump. The leader of this movement was Keir Starmer of the UK (yes them again! So Zelensky goes to London right after the meeting with Trump is done. Starmer tells Zelensky how welcome he is and Zelensky meets with King Charles. It is photo op city. Starmer tells Zelensky the UK, unlike the USA, is with you until the end.
The plan has since blow up. Congressional Republicans have stood with Trump, and in a recent poll, Americans favor a cease fire in Ukraine 79-16 percent. Americans feel even more strongly on this issue than trans men playing in women's sports. And Trump tells the military to stop aid to Zelensky. Estimates are Zelensky has 3 months of arms left and then they are done.
The funny part with all this was Starmer saying the UK planned to put boots on the ground and planes in the air, and there was this idea the Europeans were going to being fighting side by side with Ukraine. The hilarious part is the UK has 25 working tanks versus Russia's nearly 2000. https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/the-british-army-may-have-only-25-active-main-battle-tanks/.
Thing is France has a little over 100, and Germany has a little over 300. Only Poland and Turkey have a decent sized military and as for Poland sending in troops, given how the Poles feel about Ukrainians, I will believe it when I see it.
When all is said and done though, this looks like a huge win for Trump, Americans, and the people of Ukraine.
So the dollar tree Trump AKA JD insulted and humilitated the British. Brilliant! The British have been kissing American Ass ever since WW2 and the more America treats them like its *****, the more they suck up to America. How utterly contemptible. But even they are now protesting because despite them having followed America's summoning into an unholy assault on Iraq for no reason whatsoever, Dollar Tree Trump demeaned them by saying they haven't fought in decades and don't know the meaning of war. Not only is there no gratitude by the Americans, but there is outright contempt for the British. Good!
The Brits are protesting but what are they going to really do? Write a strict letter of complaint? LOL!! No, they'll just take it up the ass and squeal like piggy's, boys.
The Video is actually made me say wtf. Who is this presenter? Is he seriously deranged in his idea that "we used to be the good guys but now we're not"? LOL, what deluded BS!
Those seriously ill informed that "it were not always ever so" I would advise a little edification. I don't like Trump and I think his behaviour demeaned America but simply the only difference between him and predecessors is that he wears his intentions on his sleeve. There never was a "truth, justice and American way" golden period. What will happen to Ukraine is just another in the series of governments, states and leaders, some democratic, which America has deposed throughout history. The nerve of this presenter in brushing aside misadventures with "oh sure we made mistakes". Millions dead in Vietnam is not a "mistake". Nor was Iraq a "mistake". Nor is the systematic theft of the Palestinian's lands a "mistake". Nor was the deposition of a Iran's democracy a "mistake". These were calculated decisions by America, to further its interests at the time historically or more recently as a consequence of influence and lobbying on the levers of Government (which yet again makes a mockery about its democratic credentials) by nefarious confederations of neo-cons and zionists.
The American people aren't stupider than any other- they are very ill informed about the world though- and they are subject to the same demagoguery that populists throughout the world and throughout history have used successfully.
Ukraine is a pawn between America and Russia and they need to accept reality that a ceasefire on their terms is unlikely- I don't blame Zalinsky for holding out but he will need to face reality. A reality that the ROW including the dumb fuck Europeans are only now waking up to. That when someone smiles at you and charms you and acts like he's your buddy but acts like a motherfucker to others, then the fool is you for believing that the same won't happen to you sooner or later.
None of this detracts from the stupidity of Trump in turning an almost win-win-win-win deal (America-Ukraine-Russia-World) situation into a lose-lose-lose-win scenario. The man's a fucking idiot, not a deal maker.
But the simple fact remains, it's those who bought into America's consistent self interested disingenuity and duplicity have only themselves to blame.
The Video is actually made me say wtf. Who is this presenter? Is he seriously deranged in his idea that "we used to be the good guys but now we're not"? LOL, what deluded BS!
Those seriously ill informed that "it were not always ever so" I would advise a little edification. I don't like Trump and I think his behaviour demeaned America but simply the only difference between him and predecessors is that he wears his intentions on his sleeve. There never was a "truth, justice and American way" golden period. What will happen to Ukraine is just another in the series of governments, states and leaders, some democratic, which America has deposed throughout history. The nerve of this presenter in brushing aside misadventures with "oh sure we made mistakes". Millions dead in Vietnam is not a "mistake". Nor was Iraq a "mistake". Nor is the systematic theft of the Palestinian's lands a "mistake". Nor was the deposition of a Iran's democracy a "mistake". These were calculated decisions by America, to further its interests at the time historically or more recently as a consequence of influence and lobbying on the levers of Government (which yet again makes a mockery about its democratic credentials) by nefarious confederations of neo-cons and zionists.
The American people aren't stupider than any other- they are very ill informed about the world though- and they are subject to the same demagoguery that populists throughout the world and throughout history have used successfully.
Ukraine is a pawn between America and Russia and they need to accept reality that a ceasefire on their terms is unlikely- I don't blame Zalinsky for holding out but he will need to face reality. A reality that the ROW including the dumb fuck Europeans are only now waking up to. That when someone smiles at you and charms you and acts like he's your buddy but acts like a motherfucker to others, then the fool is you for believing that the same won't happen to you sooner or later.
None of this detracts from the stupidity of Trump in turning an almost win-win-win-win deal (America-Ukraine-Russia-World) situation into a lose-lose-lose-win scenario. The man's a fucking idiot, not a deal maker.
But the simple fact remains, it's those who bought into America's consistent self interested disingenuity and duplicity have only themselves to blame.As stupid does! Did you even listen to what he said? He didn't call the American people stupid. No, I did. Well, at least 50% of them are. And I'm 100% serious!
Well, you are already wrong: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-ukraine-prepare-sign-minerals-deal-tuesday-sources-say-2025-03-04/.
If anyone wants to know what really happened, here you go. This is the discussion of two real journalists, Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS8rneA7cWY.
Short version is Zelensky was prepped to do what he did by American Democrats and European leaders. The plan was to shame Trump, embrace Zelensky, and keep the war money flowing. It was almost a we dare you to cut the money off Trump. The leader of this movement was Keir Starmer of the UK (yes them again! So Zelensky goes to London right after the meeting with Trump is done. Starmer tells Zelensky how welcome he is and Zelensky meets with King Charles. It is photo op city. Starmer tells Zelensky the UK, unlike the USA, is with you until the end.
The plan has since blow up. Congressional Republicans have stood with Trump, and in a recent poll, Americans favor a cease fire in Ukraine 79-16 percent. Americans feel even more strongly on this issue than trans men playing in women's sports. And Trump tells the military to stop aid to Zelensky. Estimates are Zelensky has 3 months of arms left and then they are done.
The funny part with all this was Starmer saying the UK planned to put boots on the ground and planes in the air, and there was this idea the Europeans were going to being fighting side by side with Ukraine. The hilarious part is the UK has 25 working tanks versus Russia's nearly 2000. https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/the-british-army-may-have-only-25-active-main-battle-tanks/.
Thing is France has a little over 100, and Germany has a little over 300. Only Poland and Turkey have a decent sized military and as for Poland sending in troops, given how the Poles feel about Ukrainians, I will believe it when I see it.
When all is said and done though, this looks like a huge win for Trump, Americans, and the people of Ukraine.Yes, USA with shameful schizophrene Trump threatening and robbering values to poor Ukrainians to make once again good money on this war. I don t think Ukrainians agree to be stolen by friends Trump and Putin. I support those who boycott USA and Tesla when no MAGA but real shame, playing the rich robbering the poor, when I already did boycott chinese products because of shameful chinese government. What about lands stolen by Putin? After Crimea. Did You see how your senile orange suck good Vladimir? So tasty for USA.
As stupid does! Did you even listen to what he said? He didn't call the American people stupid. No, I did. Well, at least 50% of them are. And I'm 100% serious!I didn't say he did.
And you clearly didn't understand my response. Read it slowly this time, and I will elaborate the obvious for your benefit: The American people are no stupider than any other people. They are more ill informed than other people due to their media's peculiarity of omitting world affairs as well as the huge lobbying influence of the zionist / neocons / corporate. This has a very deleterious impact on American politics and world affairs.
Elvis 2008
03-05-25, 17:09
Yes, USA with shameful schizophrene Trump threatening and robbering values to poor Ukrainians to make once again good money on this war. I don t think Ukrainians agree to be stolen by friends Trump and Putin. I support those who boycott USA and Tesla when no MAGA but real shame, playing the rich robbering the poor, when I already did boycott chinese products because of shameful chinese government. What about lands stolen by Putin? After Crimea. Did You see how your senile orange suck good Vladimir? So tasty for USA.I love how we are giving hundreds of billions to Ukraine at the same time we are stealing from them.
As for you and other Europeans going off on Putin now, it is painful obvious that you Europeans are so in debt up to your eyeballs you have little choice but to try to steal the $250 billion in Russian money parked in European banks.
Wasn't that the goal of all this Putin bashing? Call him a war criminal and slink off with the $250 billion in booty using a USAID type of fraud.
The UK has 25 functional tanks. France has less than 200. Germany has less than 400. If Putin were the monster you all said he was, why didn't you build that up? Hmmm?
The USA has over 2000 tanks. Russia has around 2000 as well. While we have been building up our defenses, you Europeans have been on vacation.
The UK / Europeans scuttled the first set of peace talks and tried to do it again. The whole event with Trump was a UK plot, but it did not work.
What gets me with you Europeans is you run around and say Putin is interfering in elections when the whole thing with Russiagate and Ukrainegate was a European connection.
I do not know if the USA and Europe have many shared values any more. I think we do with Eastern Europe, but Western Europe is behaving horribly.
Elvis 2008
03-05-25, 17:25
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article300946424.html
In the latest Harvard Center for American Political Studies-Harris poll, 72% of respondents said Ukraine should negotiate a settlement with Russia, while just 28% of respondents said they want Ukraine to keep fighting to win the war.
He didn't call the American people stupid. No, I did. Well, at least 50% of them are. And I'm 100% serious!Yeah, that would be 72% are stupid now.
Yep! 100%.No, that is more like 28% siding with you now, and the numbers are continuing to go lower and lower.
I didn't say he did.
And you clearly didn't understand my response. Read it slowly this time, and I will elaborate the obvious for your benefit: The American people are no stupider than any other people. They are more ill informed than other people due to their media's peculiarity of omitting world affairs as well as the huge lobbying influence of the zionist / neocons / corporate. This has a very deleterious impact on American politics and world affairs.When electing Trump, most Americans can t be clever, when they already have low level for culture, not knowing much more far than their nose and feet. USA and China won't improve level of our world. Trump doesn't even know the meaning of dictator, what is friend Putin is. Our world can't trust USA now with such crazies leading mostly no brained in USA.
AntonySun1996
03-05-25, 19:40
99% Americans can't even find Ukraine on a world map, let alone understand this conflict.
Trump's logic is if you just surrender to the bully attacking you, the war will automatically stop. It does not work this way. Ask Czechoslovakians.
I didn't say he did.
And you clearly didn't understand my response. Read it slowly this time, and I will elaborate the obvious for your benefit: The American people are no stupider than any other people. They are more ill informed than other people due to their media's peculiarity of omitting world affairs as well as the huge lobbying influence of the zionist / neocons / corporate. This has a very deleterious impact on American politics and world affairs.Point taken and mine proven. They're too stupid and lazy to think for themselves. You prove my point! And you think the matter isn't as serious since you proclaim that the American electorate is no more stupid than the electorate of any other nation? So do you think that makes the world a better and safer place then? No, you're being too slow. Way too slow! Time to step it up and come to your senses! If that's even possible. Probably not since you're saying really stupid things here.
We shall never surrender!
https://youtu.be/CkcsKuMKooo?si=F6nkOw8CeikKgkxu
I love how we are giving hundreds of billions to Ukraine at the same time we are stealing from them.
As for you and other Europeans going off on Putin now, it is painful obvious that you Europeans are so in debt up to your eyeballs you have little choice but to try to steal the $250 billion in Russian money parked in European banks.
Wasn't that the goal of all this Putin bashing? Call him a war criminal and slink off with the $250 billion in booty using a USAID type of fraud.
The UK has 25 functional tanks. France has less than 200. Germany has less than 400. If Putin were the monster you all said he was, why didn't you build that up? Hmmm?
The USA has over 2000 tanks. Russia has around 2000 as well. While we have been building up our defenses, you Europeans have been on vacation.
The UK / Europeans scuttled the first set of peace talks and tried to do it again. The whole event with Trump was a UK plot, but it did not work.
What gets me with you Europeans is you run around and say Putin is interfering in elections when the whole thing with Russiagate and Ukrainegate was a European connection.
I do not know if the USA and Europe have many shared values any more. I think we do with Eastern Europe, but Western Europe is behaving horribly.France have nuclear, when we know now Putin is crazy, but his army is weak, not able to defeat so weak and poor Ukraine in 3 years. When Putin is a criminal, Europe have to use 200 billions of Russian values versus him and to help Ukraine, when USA are now only able to threaten and blackmail, to rob the poor, so we can t trust anymore USA.
I love how we are giving hundreds of billions to Ukraine at the same time we are stealing from them.
As for you and other Europeans going off on Putin now, it is painful obvious that you Europeans are so in debt up to your eyeballs you have little choice but to try to steal the $250 billion in Russian money parked in European banks.
Wasn't that the goal of all this Putin bashing? Call him a war criminal and slink off with the $250 billion in booty using a USAID type of fraud.
The UK has 25 functional tanks. France has less than 200. Germany has less than 400. If Putin were the monster you all said he was, why didn't you build that up? Hmmm?
The USA has over 2000 tanks. Russia has around 2000 as well. While we have been building up our defenses, you Europeans have been on vacation.
The UK / Europeans scuttled the first set of peace talks and tried to do it again. The whole event with Trump was a UK plot, but it did not work.
What gets me with you Europeans is you run around and say Putin is interfering in elections when the whole thing with Russiagate and Ukrainegate was a European connection.
I do not know if the USA and Europe have many shared values any more. I think we do with Eastern Europe, but Western Europe is behaving horribly.The UK has 25 functional tanks. France has less than 200. Germany has less than 400. If Putin were the monster you all said he was, why didn't you build that up? Hmmm?
Because the Europeans are not only fucking idiots but they are cowardly bullies and thugs. They can beat up on shitty little countries who didn't do anything to them or who cannot fight back (like Iraq) but they will run to the coats of Uncle Sam when the going gets tough. They are shameless cowards. If it weren't for America's coverage the Europeans would have shat their pants a long time ago. Instead they lowered their defence spending to a pittance and instead spend all that money on welfare spending on their indolent natives meanwhile importing millions of immigrants to do the jobs that their people refuse to do.
The Germans and British are the biggest fuckwits in Europe- even bigger than the French, and that takes some doing. Not just in defense but very many other ways which are outside the scope of this post.
None of this detracts however from the fact that Russians are fucking corrupt sons of bitches who are incapable from moving onto the present day and joining the quasi democratic world.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article300946424.html
In the latest Harvard Center for American Political Studies-Harris poll, 72% of respondents said Ukraine should negotiate a settlement with Russia, while just 28% of respondents said they want Ukraine to keep fighting to win the war.
Yeah, that would be 72% are stupid now.
No, that is more like 28% siding with you now, and the numbers are continuing to go lower and lower.Did you fail to finish reading the article you're citing? Or was it that you couldn't wait to run here and provide more ammunition to your other MAGA friends?
Most voters took issue with how the negotiations have gone down and with some of the terms that Trump officials have discussed.
59% said they were opposed to Ukraines leaders being left out of the U.S.-Russia dialogue, while 41% were in favor.
55% said they were against European leaders being sidelined from the negotiations, while 45% were in favor.
57% said they were opposed to Trump administration officials forcing Ukraine to make territorial concessions in order to end the war. Meanwhile, 43% said they were in favor of this.And the most important part:
Two-thirds of respondents also said that, should Ukraine make concessions to Russia, it should be given security guarantees from the U.S., while 34% said they were opposed. Is that what Trump is trying to do by making Ukraine sign the unconditional ceasefire without any concessions from Russia or US security guarantees?
He, that's not what he's trying to do.
Trump is trying to sell Ukraine down the river, and people DO NOT want this.
But you wouldn't know because you stopped reading after you saw the datapoint you loved.
Don't be shy now. Please tell me how I've got it all wrong.
I love how we are giving hundreds of billions to Ukraine at the same time we are stealing from them..That's not going to make sense to him if he doesn't pay taxes.
Since Zed signed a security agreement with Denmark which makes Ukraine to come to Denmark's assistance in case of aggression by the US again Greenland, the US has cut the bastard off the trust money. LOL. Anyway, we discount the military aid flow and continue with the plans to push forward. We are only 300 years of the Mongolian yoke and 2 weeks of the Julian calendar behind Europe and don't want to join. Russians and Ukrainians for that matter are happily not Europeans.
https://charliehebdo.fr/editions/1702/
The UK has 25 functional tanks. France has less than 200. Germany has less than 400. If Putin were the monster you all said he was, why didn't you build that up? Hmmm?
1. Get your facts straight. The UK still has 200+ functional tanks, not 25. If it enough? No.
2. There is no "if" about Putin being a monster. He is the world's worst monster and mass murderer. Only morons or scoundrels can doubt that.
The UK has 25 functional tanks. France has less than 200. Germany has less than 400. If Putin were the monster you all said he was, why didn't you build that up? Hmmm?
Because the Europeans are not only fucking idiots but they are cowardly bullies and thugs. They can beat up on shitty little countries who didn't do anything to them or who cannot fight back (like Iraq) but they will run to the coats of Uncle Sam when the going gets tough. They are shameless cowards. If it weren't for America's coverage the Europeans would have shat their pants a long time ago. Instead they lowered their defence spending to a pittance and instead spend all that money on welfare spending on their indolent natives meanwhile importing millions of immigrants to do the jobs that their people refuse to do.
The Germans and British are the biggest fuckwits in Europe- even bigger than the French, and that takes some doing. Not just in defense but very many other ways which are outside the scope of this post.
None of this detracts however from the fact that Russians are fucking corrupt sons of bitches who are incapable from moving onto the present day and joining the quasi democratic world.But France is the only one having nuclear in EU and Russian army showed how so weak when not able to defeat courageous but weak Ukrainians after 3 years. Putin is a crazy criminal dictator but knows about his army low level. Does his nuclear really work? When for sure, working for France. If Trump didn t help him, he would be broke at the end of year and would have to return home, out of Ukraine borders, when Trump will probably give him new lands, sucking him, after threatening, blackmailing to rob poor Ukrainians.
Putin's president Donald Trump has quietly disconnected Ukraine from the vital US intelligence sharing. Now Ukraine, among other things, won't know when and where Putin will strike Ukraine's civilian infrastructure including apartment buildings and power stations in his drive to freeze Ukrainians to death and force Zelensky's capitulation.
U.S. Cut Ukraine Off NATO's Intelligence Channel: Reports
The U.S. has banned its allies, including the U.K., from passing on American intelligence, according to new reports, a move set to cut off Ukraine's access to vital information used to coordinate strikes and protect its cities in its fight against Russia.
Several British outlets, including the Daily Mail and Financial Times newspapers, reported intelligence agencies and military bodies in the U.K. and other allies have been ordered not to share U.S.-generated intelligence.https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-2039872
Like I said before, there is no doubt anymore why Putin's president Trump and his lapdog JD put on that pathetic show on Feb 28. That much is clear. Next question is when Trump orders to share US intelligence with Russia, Russia, Russia.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article300946424.html
In the latest Harvard Center for American Political Studies-Harris poll, 72% of respondents said Ukraine should negotiate a settlement with Russia, while just 28% of respondents said they want Ukraine to keep fighting to win the war.
Yeah, that would be 72% are stupid now.
No, that is more like 28% siding with you now, and the numbers are continuing to go lower and lower.Where did I say that the Ukrainians should keep fighting and not negotiate? I never said that. I said that they need a negotiated peace that protects and defends their sovereignty as a nation. Not to just give in so that an asshole Putin can just attack them again. So stop putting words in my mouth that I did not utter. They need to hard bargain for a deal that is good for Ukraine. A cease fire while the negotiations proceed would be a good thing. And my calling American voters stupid isn't about their views regarding peace in Ukraine. It's about returning a piece of shit like Donald Trump to the White House. If you're going to address what I say then at least stay on point and stop twisting my words to make some other point you want to. You did the exact thing other Dems here rightly accuse you of doing again and again.
When electing Trump, most Americans can t be clever, when they already have low level for culture, not knowing much more far than their nose and feet. USA and China won't improve level of our world. Trump doesn't even know the meaning of dictator, what is friend Putin is. Our world can't trust USA now with such crazies leading mostly no brained in USA.Well, there's a lot of reasons that Americans voted for him. Much as it makes us feel good by labelling all Trump supporters as stupid, it's not objective and intelligent to be so one dimensional. The reasons people voted for Trump include:
- economic: cost of living and inequality and lack of real wage growth.
- social: backlash at the perceived left swing manifested by lack of control of crime, drugs, etc.
- democrats: weak, clueless, lacking control. What exactly did you expect from a senile old man, succeeded by an untalented woman with an insecure hysterical clacking laugh?
- Zionists: the Israeli assault on Palestine has torn America down the middle, and the voting statistics show that a lot of people who would have voted for Democrats didn't because of their prostration to the Zionist alter. Trump therefore won those regions by default.
99% Americans can't even find Ukraine on a world map, let alone understand this conflict.
Trump's logic is if you just surrender to the bully attacking you, the war will automatically stop. It does not work this way. Ask Czechoslovakians.<<99% Americans can't even find Ukraine on a world map, let alone understand this conflict.
This is the simple point I am making that this imbecile Cane cannot understand. When I lived in America, I was astounded by the lack of news, reports and anything on overseas, and this is the single biggest issue which makes American politics so pernicious.
Point taken and mine proven. They're too stupid and lazy to think for themselves. You prove my point! And you think the matter isn't as serious since you proclaim that the American electorate is no more stupid than the electorate of any other nation? So do you think that makes the world a better and safer place then? No, you're being too slow. Way too slow! Time to step it up and come to your senses! If that's even possible. Probably not since you're saying really stupid things here.Dude, you are talking like a complete imbecile. There are so many non-sequiturs (look it up) and strawman arguments (look that up too) and false premises (even you won't need to look that one up. Maybe) in your self indulgent ramblings that you could confound a Philosophy professor. Give your head a shake.
I won't waste my time anymore on you, other than to give a few facts:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/well-developed-public-education-system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_secondary_education_attainment
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-country
Dude, you are talking like a complete imbecile. There are so many non-sequiturs (look it up) and strawman arguments (look that up too) and false premises (even you won't need to look that one up. Maybe) in your self indulgent ramblings that you could confound a Philosophy professor. Give your head a shake.
I won't waste my time anymore on you, other than to give a few FACTS:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/well-developed-public-education-system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_secondary_education_attainment
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-countryYour "facts" don't prove jack shit! Because you see it's what people feel and do! I don't give a damn how educated they think they are, including you throwing around a bunch of "big words" hahaha! Have another hot dog and hit the road bro!
Elvis 2008
03-06-25, 16:15
They need to hard bargain for a deal that is good for Ukraine. A cease fire while the negotiations proceed would be a good thing. And my calling American voters stupid isn't about their views regarding peace in Ukraine. It's about returning a piece of shit like Donald Trump to the White House. If you're going to address what I say then at least stay on point and stop twisting my words to make some other point you want to. You did the exact thing other Dems here rightly accuse you of doing again and again.LOL. Trump has been in office 6 weeks, and he is near getting a cease fire. Biden had three years and did nothing. There would have been no talk of peace without Trump so your argument: cease fire good, Trump bad is ludicrous.
The Democratic approach was to demonize and not communicate with Putin. Trump has called Putin several times. Biden never did. Show me one example of any Democrat advocating for a line of dialogue with Putin.
So your genius notion of a cease fire is Ukrainians dropping their weapons?
Is anyone here actually in country?
I've been looking at ladies listed on Seeking, and there is a lot of talent in Kyiv.
I'm looking more at possible STR / LTR rather than pure P4P.
Also, I'm thinking of visiting for a weekend. Any recommendations on the past bus / train route? I'm looking at departing from either Warsaw, Budapest or Bucharest.
Thanks in advance, FJ.
Elvis 2008
03-06-25, 19:20
1. Get your facts straight. The UK still has 200+ functional tanks, not 25. If it enough? No.
2. There is no "if" about Putin being a monster. He is the world's worst monster and mass murderer. Only morons or scoundrels can doubt that.LOL. https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/the-british-army-may-have-only-25-active-main-battle-tanks/.
Out of those 160, the Royal Armored Corps can't find many tanks that are fully operational. They are trying to get at least 59 that are in "green" or "go" phase and many are still in "red" or "no go" status. Again, as noted by the article above, the active force of tanks has dwindled down to around 20 to 25, and getting 59 tanks ready to go will not be possible for an indefinite period of time.
There is no "if" about Putin being a monster. He is the world's worst monster and mass murderer. Only morons or scoundrels can doubt that.If he were such a monster, the average Russian would have done economically much worse under Putin. They have not. They have done better.
If Putin were such a monster, those living closest to him in Eastern Europe would be the ones most frightened of him. Not only are the Poles skeptical of this Putin devil, Zelensky angel routine, the most pro right wing countries now are in Eastern Europe.
If Putin were such a monster, when Nordstream were blown up, he would have sent a missile or nuke at Warsaw, Berlin, or London.
In reality, you Democratic douches are constantly alternating your view of him. On one hand, he is this evil, crazy murderous dictator. Then when it comes to him starting a nuclear war, he is completely rational and is smart enough to never do that.
To be honest, you dumb Dems should thank your lucky stars that Putin was in office when he was. If he was not, nuclear war was very real.
If something happens to him, it is very likely the next Russian leader will be even worse.
Where did I say that the Ukrainians should keep fighting and not negotiate? I never said that. I said that they need a negotiated peace that protects and defends their sovereignty as a nation. Not to just give in so that an asshole Putin can just attack them again. So stop putting words in my mouth that I did not utter. They need to hard bargain for a deal that is good for Ukraine. A cease fire while the negotiations proceed would be a good thing. .Hard bargain for a deal? You don't seem to understand that Ukraine has ZERO CARDS. Ukraine will have to make very, very painful compromises and cede a lot of territory, agree to neutrality and will be a dysfunctional rump state. That is the bitter reality they will soon face / already are facing.
LOL. Trump has been in office 6 weeks, and he is near getting a cease fire. Biden had three years and did nothing. There would have been no talk of peace without Trump so your argument: cease fire good, Trump bad is ludicrous.
The Democratic approach was to demonize and not communicate with Putin. Trump has called Putin several times. Biden never did. Show me one example of any Democrat advocating for a line of dialogue with Putin.
So your genius notion of a cease fire is Ukrainians dropping their weapons?You have to keep it real by calling a spade a spade, then act accordingly. Wasn't Chump the one talking about playing cards? Ukraine has zero cards? What are you smoking Elvis? Possession is nine tenths the law, and Ukraine still holds most of its territory. I say again Ukraine needs to hard bargain to get an enforceable agreement that will protect and defend its sovereignty from further aggression from Putin, who should be demonized for being the latest beady eyed Ruskie dictator that he is! And the United States isn't the only western player in this thank God! The Europeans now realize that they better get up off their dead asses and act! Ukraine was supposed to fall in 3 days but they're still standing years later. The Ruskies are bogged down and not strong enough to take Ukraine. The Ukrainians don't have to win. They just don't have to lose. Take a cease fire. Then let Putin the aggressor show if he really wants peace. He's the one who attacked thinking he was going to score a quick victory. He's the one who says Ukraine isn't even a "real" country. That proves right there just where he's coming from. Asshole Putin's "peace" has Ukraine being a vassal of Russia. Those who love freedom and democracy can't let that happen!
Well, there's a lot of reasons that Americans voted for him. Much as it makes us feel good by labelling all Trump supporters as stupid, it's not objective and intelligent to be so one dimensional. The reasons people voted for Trump include:
- economic: cost of living and inequality and lack of real wage growth.
- social: backlash at the perceived left swing manifested by lack of control of crime, drugs, etc.
- democrats: weak, clueless, lacking control. What exactly did you expect from a senile old man, succeeded by an untalented woman with an insecure hysterical clacking laugh?
- Zionists: the Israeli assault on Palestine has torn America down the middle, and the voting statistics show that a lot of people who would have voted for Democrats didn't because of their prostration to the Zionist alter. Trump therefore won those regions by default.Except robbering the poor, you think your shameful crazy president will improve situation, when for sure, he put shame on your country, when he fuck your constitution and capitol. A not respectable and trustable schizophrene, but quite senile.
You have to keep it real by calling a spade a spade,!Seems those 19th century spades are winning the war for Putin against the gangster Zelensly and the gangster Democrats. Gangster not gangsta.
Seems those 19th century spades are winning the war for Putin against the gangster Zelensly and the gangster Democrats. Gangster not gangsta.Zelensky is supported by Ukrainians and even Porochenko, and legal according to Ukraine constitution, when Putin was always elected, only under fear and a criminal dictator, when he can t travel in normal countries and even Trump doesn t want to receive him, when he received and insulted Zelensky who stayed very respectful.
Elvis 2008
03-06-25, 22:12
You have to keep it real by calling a spade a spade, then act accordingly. Wasn't Chump the one talking about playing cards? Ukraine has zero cards? What are you smoking Elvis?LOL. Uh, yeah. What do you think Zelensky did? He met with Democrats before Trump. He then met with Europeans. He planned that blowup with Trump. He thought he could maybe put a wedge between Trump and the American people or between Trump and Congressional Republicans. It blew up in his face. Those were the only cards he had, and they blew up in his face.
Possession is nine tenths the law, and Ukraine still holds most of its territory.They have three months of arms left. They won't be holding any of their country after this summer.
Those who love freedom and democracy can't let that happen!This from a Democratic douche whose party tried to arrest their way into power and chose a man with severe dementia in the primaries and then booted him out. I think after the last 3 elections Democrats should not be able to comment on Democracy. When you let your voters pick the nominee, get back to us.
LOL. Uh, yeah. What do you think Zelensky did? He met with Democrats before Trump. He then met with Europeans. He planned that blowup with Trump. He thought he could maybe put a wedge between Trump and the American people or between Trump and Congressional Republicans. It blew up in his face. Those were the only cards he had, and they blew up in his face.
They have three months of arms left. They won't be holding any of their country after this summer.
This from a Democratic douche whose party tried to arrest their way into power and chose a man with severe dementia in the primaries and then booted him out. I think after the last 3 elections Democrats should not be able to comment on Democracy. When you let your voters pick the nominee, get back to us.And you seem happy poor but so courageous heroic Ukrainians may lose versus criminal dictator Putin who attacked them, when he didn't respect what he signed on 2014, when Ukraine defend their land and freedom. Anybody respectable should help them who fight for freedom versus a dictator, not blackmailing to try to rob them, like shameful Trump who tries to find new money, when he knows he lost versus Europe higher quality and cheap China. Trump behavior and USA are not respectable to try to rob the poor and suck swallowing Putin cum, when only solution was to make Russia fully broke, when they are already quite and would really be at the end of year. But Trump needs Putin business and will help him, not poor Ukraine.
LOL. Uh, yeah. What do you think Zelensky did? He met with Democrats before Trump. He then met with Europeans. He planned that blowup with Trump. He thought he could maybe put a wedge between Trump and the American people or between Trump and Congressional Republicans. It blew up in his face. Those were the only cards he had, and they blew up in his face.
They have three months of arms left. They won't be holding any of their country after this summer.
This from a Democratic douche whose party tried to arrest their way into power and chose a man with severe dementia in the primaries and then booted him out. I think after the last 3 elections Democrats should not be able to comment on Democracy. When you let your voters pick the nominee, get back to us.Ha! You're delusional beyond belief! That disastrous meeting was clearly a trap set by Trump and Vance! That was supposed to be a photo opportunity and they turned it into a shameful bashing of an ally. And the Ruskies couldn't even overrun Ukraine when they were armed to the teeth. Now with their tanks and navy destroyed and their own armaments running low, they're having to turn to countries like North Korea and Iran for help! The Chinese are too smart to be dragged into Putin's fucked up disaster. You and the rest are a bunch of scumbag, right wing extremists who support a convicted felon and sexual harasser in the White House. Around the world the United States is no longer looked upon with admiration as a global leader because of scumbag, lowlife Repukeians and those who support and make excuses for the likes of them.
PaulInZurich
03-07-25, 05:41
If Putin were such a monster, those living closest to him in Eastern Europe would be the ones most frightened of him.Those living the closest to him in Eastern Europe _are_ the ones most concerned about him. The countries that oppose Putin the most are Poland and the Baltic countries. This is not just in the media, I know enough people from work, especially from Poland who all say the same thing. Who bumped up their military spending the most? Right, Poland and the Baltic countries.
Reiner Otto
03-07-25, 12:15
1) If he were such a monster, the average Russian would have done economically much worse under Putin. They have not. They have done better.
2) If Putin were such a monster, those living closest to him in Eastern Europe would be the ones most frightened of him. Not only are the Poles skeptical of this Putin devil, Zelensky angel routine, the most pro right wing countries now are in Eastern Europe.
3) If Putin were such a monster, when Nordstream were blown up, he would have sent a missile or nuke at Warsaw, Berlin, or London.
1) According to this logic, Hitler was no monster, too.
2) All Baltics and Poles are afraid of Putler.
3) A monster is not necessarily suicidal.
Except robbering the poor, you think your shameful crazy president will improve situation, when for sure, he put shame on your country, when he fuck your constitution and capitol. A not respectable and trustable schizophrene, but quite senile.For clarity, I am not American. I also don't favour Trump- I think he is one crazy SOB who is unravelling all the gains the world has made since WW2 and could well precipitate a WW3. My only point to you was that there are some comprehensible reasons why Americans voted for Trump. A choice between two rubbish candidates was going to be a lose situation, whatever the reasons. I explained the reasons why Trump won. It is not a case of my liking these reasons. In the same way as if I drop a glass it falling is not my liking gravity. It just is a fact.
1) According to this logic, Hitler was no monster, too.
2) All Baltics and Poles are afraid of Putler.
3) A monster is not necessarily suicidal.I love country Russia, but Putin is a criminal and prosecuted by international law, he can t even travel in normal countries and crazy Trump didn t welcome him in White House, where legal Zelensky was received to be threatened and blackmailed. I m proud french Mirage will now help Ukraine, when I would feel really shameful if I was American.
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