Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Elvis 2008]

There is no reason for Pelosi to make the trip, very bad decision, but this what Dem. Do best, make horrible / risky decisions.Yeah, if China attacked Taiwan, I might volunteer my services to help them and definitely support arming them. All the false rhetoric used with Ukraine would be true with Taiwan. My understanding is the people in Taiwan would fight to the last man.

That said, the best refs, cops, and pols are not ones that escalate tensions but de-escalate them. That was something Obama was actually a master at that Biden is clueless on. With Biden, there are all these inflammatory definitive and often wrong statements. China would not be justified in attacking Taiwan but why do these dumb Dems have to keep provoking them?

[WyattEarp]

Switzerland has gone for centuries without foreign wars by looking to its defenses and minding its own business. Would that American politicians would copy Switzerland's aim to putting its own people first and not using them as cannon fodder in foreign disputes. Those seeking to involve Americans in another foreign war should set the example by practicing what they preach and signing up with the International Legion themselves!Hmmm. Switzerland minding its own business? I think Swiss neutrality has hinged a lot on its special position as the banker of last resort. You could plunder assets, deposit them in Swiss banks and still access the proceeds from abroad if you lose power.

I'd say Switzerland is minding everyone's business.

[Golfinho]

Yeah, if China attacked Taiwan, I might volunteer my services to help them and definitely support arming them. All the false rhetoric used with Ukraine would be true with Taiwan. My understanding is the people in Taiwan would fight to the last man.LOL. Taiwanese are like the world's biggest weenies. Haven't you been there and seen it? They are all aboard the globohomo express.

[Xpartan]

Yeah, if China attacked Taiwan, I might volunteer my services to help them and definitely support arming them. All the false rhetoric used with Ukraine would be true with Taiwan. My understanding is the people in Taiwan would fight to the last man.Really?

So Putin's barbaric killing, raping and torturing Ukrainians in his war of choice is the false rhetoric? But Taiwan that hasn't been attacked yet, has your sympathy?

Something's not right here. It seems to me that this is a personal choice. You either hate Ukraine or love Russia too much.

[DramaFree11]

Really?

So Putin's barbaric killing, raping and torturing Ukrainians in his war of choice is the false rhetoric? But Taiwan that hasn't been attacked yet, has your sympathy?

Something's not right here. It seems to me that this is a personal choice. You either hate Ukraine or love Russia too much.As usual you are wrong. We want the war to end. Either way Ukraine is totally screwed, as usual.

Pres. Z. Is going to get everyone killed and there will be nothing left to fight over. I guess this is Winning strategy, he must be a Democratic, they love to lose.

[PedroMorales]

Switzerland has a first class military and would be hard to take out. Both the Nazis and the (Nazi lite) Americans cracked Switzerland's bank secrecy laws by threats and guile. Switzerland is also a first class industrial power, perhaps as rich as parts of Northern Italy and Austria but rich nonetheless.

To repeat: You are an American, a moron. You do not belong here. You and your ilk have made shit of this thread, just like Americans make shit of everything.


Hmmm. Switzerland minding its own business? I think Swiss neutrality has hinged a lot on its special position as the banker of last resort. You could plunder assets, deposit them in Swiss banks and still access the proceeds from abroad if you lose power.

I'd say Switzerland is minding everyone's business.

[Travv]

New Batches Of Ukrainian Troops Quit the Fight as Russia Grinds On.

Published August 5, 2022 at 7:00 am by Larry Johnson.

Ukraine's President Zelensky is spooked and having a tough time hiding it. In remarks made on August 3rd, Zelensky is complaining that Europe is dragging its feet in supplying financial support to keep Ukraine afloat:

Zelensky then made a startling admission about who is winning the war in Ukraine:

"We still cannot break the advantage of the Russian army in artillery and in manpower, and this is very felt in the battles, especially in the Donbass – Peski, Avdiivka, and other directions. It's just hell. It can't even be described in words. "

When you consider the fact that Ukraine's armed forces outnumbered the Russians who invaded by a factor of 3 to 1, then you have to ask–exactly what "advantage" does the outnumbered Russian army enjoy? The answer is simple–Russia has air supremacy, superior intelligence and electronic warfare capabilities. It is targeting Ukrainian forward command centers and destroying senior brigade and regimental commanders. This strategy decapitates the chain of command on the frontlines and subjects the troops crouching in trenches and bunkers to seemingly unrelenting barrages of missiles and artillery shells. The result is simple–it demoralizes the troops.

Evidence of this is emerging on social media. First up, the 56th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine declaring it will no longer fight because there is no supply and they are being sent to certain death. There is a similar message from men fromthe 58 brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Some of them deserted and returned home to Konotop, in the Sumy region. Like the men in the 56th brigade, these soldiers complain that they were sent to the front with no proper weapons or equipment just to be pounded by Russian artillery. Rather than serve as cannon fodder they left their frontline positions and headed back home with their weapons. . . "

Maybe the Ukies should enlist Afghans. These dudes have defeated both the Russian and American armies! If they can't, there are always plenty of chickenhawks, armchair generals, keyboard commandoes and social justice warriors posting on ISG to send draft notices!


As usual you are wrong. We want the war to end. Either way Ukraine is totally screwed, as usual.

Pres. Z. Is going to get everyone killed and there will be nothing left to fight over. I guess this is Winning strategy, he must be a Democratic, they love to lose.

[PedroMorales]

New Batches Of Ukrainian Troops Quit the Fight as Russia Grinds On.
!Beats me why there are not more Ukrainian desertions. They are like the Wehrmacht who fought on, with high moral, until the very end for a bunch of losers and grifters. Zelensky and his fellow criminals have skimmed a fortune none of us here can comprehend. That is before you factor in their sales of arms, HIMARS etc.

I was expecting the trolls to show up praising Nancy Pelosi. Won't be long now, as the monkey said when he got his tail cut.

[Paulie97]

Now, 50 years later we have Ukraine vs Russia and once again the west is trying to stop Russia (still communist to some) from taking over vast territories. We're trying to stop communism all over again but this time is different because everyone has nukes. Nuclear war has never been closer to destroying humanity than it is today. Propaganda was expertly used in the Vietnam era and it's being used now. This conflict would be over now had we stayed out of it and Ukraine would be more intact w less dead Ukrainians.Ukraine doesn't want to bend over and grab their ankles and give away their land and identity. They certainly don't want you, Elvis, Pedro, Drama Queen, or Tucker deciding what is best for them. So myself, the vast majority of Americans, and even the vast majority of Republican politicians want to send them weapons, and that's what we are going to continue to do.

We did stop the USSR, who had nukes from the 50's onwards. You can bet your life that South Korea is glad we opposed them. Don't forget that detail! Now the enemy is authoritarianism which is an ideology that spreads well beyond the now defunct USSR, is found in a substantial minority in Western Europe, and is well represented in the US with Carlson, the Trump cult, "Stop the Steal," and the efforts to overturn a democratic election and all varieties of looney conspiracy theories. Your analogy doesn't work. Russia today has an economy about the size of Mexico. They aren't entitled to any "sphere of influence" as no one wants anything to do with them but Iran. Unlike the former USSR they are engaging in nuclear saber rattling, which is an act of desperation. We the US and NATO don't back down from such from tyrants or anyone else, and for obvious reasons, primarily because it shows weakness and sends the wrong message. Ukraine gets weapons. If Vlad touches NATO it's on as it should be.


I'm always searching for the least biased news. Maybe you can point me towards a more fair and honest news source. Thanks.About anything but Carlson would be a big step up. LOL he is conspiracy theory peddler, white grievance inciter that laughs at people who take him seriously while laughing all the way to the bank. That was his defense in a liable suit, and it worked, the judge finding it hard to believe that there's anyone out there dumb enough to believe him. He's not "news. " So with that in mind, take a look around. Google is your friend. The big three, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, London Times, the last three from a right-center angle are a big step up from Fox which for the most part isn't news. That especially applies to the evening hours. It all birthed from the "entertainer" Rush Limbaugh who never had the balls to take the debate stage in a neutral environment where his claims could be examined.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/greedy-associates/tucker-carlson-successfully-argues-nobody-really-believes-tucker-carlson-is-reporting-facts/

P.S. All of these points have been made innumerable times on this thread by myself and have only been ignored while the same pro-Russia, isolationist talking points have been repeated ad nauseam. Our side though has gotten tired of going in circles so have moved on to more important matters, like working and earning money for vacations. And here's something else to put in your pocket, as you seem at least somewhat sincere, calling something a "fact" or "the truth" never makes it a fact or the truth. Or in other words, asserting something as true never makes it true. These are the two fallacies in play:

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion

[Paulie97]

These fellas are unbelievable. They are dying to get on their four, spread the cheeks and let world dictatorships like Russia and China have their way with them.Easily the most nauseating aspect is when the Drama Queens and Elvis' try and portray themselves as humanitarians, that submitting to Russia is in the best interest of Ukrainians, this with full knowledge of the summary executions, widespread violence against women, tortures of prisoners of war, deportation "re-education" camps, etc. When in reality they just want cheaper gas prices for their old pickup trucks and mobile homes. A very miserable and bloody time would follow any surrender to Russia. But you could have easily told the colonists the same thing, that bending over for the British would save lives but they had greater aspirations, something called freedom. Ukraine is fighting for that and their existence, language, culture, national identity, etc. The price to pay for that is their business, and I'm glad that the overwhelming majority of our elected officials including Republicans stand with them.

[The Cane]

What is it any good for? More fucking and less fighting please!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk

[DramaFree11]

Easily the most nauseating aspect is when the Drama Queens and Elvis' try and portray themselves as humanitarians, that submitting to Russia is in the best interest of Ukrainians, this with full knowledge of the summary executions, widespread violence against women, tortures of prisoners of war, deportation "re-education" camps, etc. When in reality they just want cheaper gas prices for their old pickup trucks and mobile homes. A very miserable and bloody time would follow any surrender to Russia. But you could have easily told the colonists the same thing, that bending over for the British would save lives but they had greater aspirations, something called freedom. Ukraine is fighting for that and their existence, language, culture, national identity, etc. The price to pay for that is their business, and I'm glad that the overwhelming majority of our elected officials including Republicans stand with them.You truly delusional. Yes, I do want cheaper gas and peace would be even better. There is no way Ukraine wins, only in your Video Game and your Fantasy world. Unfortunately Pres. Z. is playing the same game you are playing, he is getting many incident people killed in the process and his country is being destroyed. This is not winning.

[Paulie97]

What is it any good for? More fucking and less fighting please!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNkAs has been said so many times on this thread, that's all up to Putin who chose that path.

[Travv]

More support for your statement below from Gonzalo Lira:

"For those new to this blog and unfamiliar with TTG, TTG is a retired US Army Special Forces officer of Lithuanian heritage. He no longer thinks rationally about war. His hatred of all things Russian cloud his judgment. He asserts that I am drinking Moscow's kool-aid because I point out the obvious–Russia is winning and will defeat Ukraine completely and decisively. TTG insists that the arrival of HIMARS and M777's are game changers and, wait for it, the Ukrainians will mount the ultimate offensive and push the Russians back to Moscow. Normally, I would not want to waste time to engage such nonsense but in this case I think it is warranted.

. . The fact that Ukraine had a three to one advantage and were embedded in defensive positions should have led to the defeat of the Russians. One of the traditional military doctrines is that an army fighting a foe who is on the defense must have at least a three to one advantage if they have any hope of prevailing in the fight. Well guess what–Russia has turned that doctrine on its head. We now have a case study (on-going) of the first time that an inferior force (in terms of numbers) is steadily defeating an entrenched, fortified enemy with three times the numbers. There is not one area in Ukraine where the Ukraine army has pushed the Russians out of territory they have occupied and held it against Russian counter attacks. Not one. The Russian feint towards Kiev in early March does not count. Western propaganda insists this was a tremendous Ukrainian victory. But Russia used that operation to fix Ukrainian forces around Kiev so that the Russian, Donetsk and Luhansk forces could mass for the offensive to retake the Donbas. And that is exactly what the Special Military Operation has been doing over the last five months.

The only "offense" we are seeing from Ukraine is the shelling of civilians in the Donbas. This does highlight one shortcoming of the Russian SMO–the lack of effective, comprehensive counter battery fire. It is worth noting that the areas being targeted by Ukraine are in the Western part of the Donbas occupied by Russia and its allied Republics (I. E. , Donetsk and Luhansk). Killing a few civilians in cities in the Donbas with indiscriminate shelling–while horrific for the families who loose loved ones–does not win the war for Ukraine. In fact, it reinforces its image as a lawless violator of human rights. Still, it is up to Russia to put in place the necessary intelligence platforms required to quickly identify the source of the fires and destroy them. Ukrainian artillery and HIMMARS will not stop Russia's allied offensive and force a retreat. Neither will it force a stalemate. Russia has defacto air supremacy and has intact tank battalions and a plethora of artillery and missiles that it continues to rain down on Ukrainian forces. . . ".

Full article: http://www.stationgossip.com/2022/08/russia-is-slowly-and-methodically.html.

Photo: US Troops Enter Ukraine! LOL.


You truly delusional. Yes, I do want cheaper gas and peace would be even better. There is no way Ukraine wins, only in your Video Game and your Fantasy world. Unfortunately Pres. Z. is playing the same game you are playing, he is getting many incident people killed in the process and his country is being destroyed. This is not winning.

[DramaFree11]

Easily the most nauseating aspect is when the Drama Queens and Elvis' try and portray themselves as humanitarians, that submitting to Russia is in the best interest of Ukrainians, this with full knowledge of the summary executions, widespread violence against women, tortures of prisoners of war, deportation "re-education" camps, etc. When in reality they just want cheaper gas prices for their old pickup trucks and mobile homes. A very miserable and bloody time would follow any surrender to Russia. But you could have easily told the colonists the same thing, that bending over for the British would save lives but they had greater aspirations, something called freedom. Ukraine is fighting for that and their existence, language, culture, national identity, etc. The price to pay for that is their business, and I'm glad that the overwhelming majority of our elected officials including Republicans stand with them.Pauline, you and XMan do have a few things in common with Pres. Z. You are delusional, living in a fantasy world and no desire to negotiate. Unfortunately, many will die from this ridiculous war. Russia will get the ports and Ukraine will end up with almost nothing, but in your world that is a win.

You do not have one thing in common with Pres. Z. , you are not as corrupt as he is. The truth will come out some day.

[Paulie97]

You truly delusional. Yes, I do want cheaper gas and peace would be even better. There is no way Ukraine wins, only in your Video Game and your Fantasy world. Unfortunately Pres. Z. is playing the same game you are playing, he is getting many incident people killed in the process and his country is being destroyed. This is not winning.That's what I call service. My post wasn't up 30 minutes and you've already posted a reply. Stupid Shit in Kyiv is no doubt a great place to build your life around. Wink.

You whine with the same mantra over and over daily for months but your only alternative is for Ukraine to surrender their country, their culture and identity, toss their women to the wolves, accept tortures and executions, and submit their children to deportations and "re-education. " That isn't an option for them nor do they want it, irrespective of Zelensky. It's also not an option for the West to look the other way at this aggression against a democratic partner.

You are delusional in that your analysis is way overly simplistic with use of the black and white thinking fallacy. There are other possible outcomes besides a complete Russian defeat and surrender or else Ukraine should bend over and grab their ankles.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

There's unlikely to be any clear cut winner and loser as in one side unconditionally surrenders. Even if Russia managed to occupy Ukraine there would still be armed resistance. Occupying territory is one thing. Holding it is another. Russia isn't going to use nukes as that's suicide. Even if only tactical nukes they'd lose the few friends they have left in the world. So with that hardly at risk and NATO weapons and greater motivation among the Ukrainians in play, it's a pretty fair fight. Russian casualties and humiliation have been high, and it would be much worse if our weapons support wasn't restrained and delayed. Your prediction of Ukrainian demise within one week proved not only laughable, but the Ruskies lost key battles running from Kyiv and Kharkiv. Make a video game of that. Currently the Ukrainians are staging counter offensives in the South. The outcome will likely come at the negotiating table where Ukraine will be in a much better position than your bend over and grab their ankles, throw their identity, culture, women, and children to the wolves suggestion. While Russia has already lost the war with the failures of their key objectives, embarrassments on the battlefield, weighty economic sanctions, and worldwide pariah status.

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/chief-executive-leadership-institute-research-insights-business-retreats-and-sanctions

From the Western perspective, we've done what we had to do, sent the message that if one wants to change borders in Europe with aggression then there will be consequences. The appeasement you suggest of course invites more aggression. Thankfully that's how our politicians and most Americans see it. If that troubles you then you are free to surrender the freedoms you are enjoying and move to totalitarian Russia, say something they don't like, get caught with a joint and spend 15 years in Siberia. But instead you'll just hang out in the US all day posting in Stupid Shit in Kyiv. None of your predictions have panned out so far so we'll see how it goes. That or tell us all about everything you heard and saw in the Ukraine when we know you've never been. Wink.

P.S. Gas prices dropping, 50+ days and running.

[Paulie97]

Pres. Z. is playing the same game you are playing, he is getting many incident people killed in the processWell you got all the Russo propaganda / lingo down, now all you need is a "Z" t-shirt to wear. Or maybe you can come up with a Z flag to fly beside your Trump flag. I'm sure all the "incident" people in your trailer park will be very impressed. LOL Meanwhile the vast majority of even Republicans support lethal aid to Ukraine so we are in good shape.

Slava Ukraini.

[Xpartan]

More support for your statement below from Gonzalo Lira:

"For those new to this blog and unfamiliar with TTG, TTG is a retired US Army Special Forces officer of Lithuanian heritage. He no longer thinks rationally about war. His hatred of all things Russian cloud his judgment. He asserts that I am drinking Moscow's kool-aid because I point out the obviousRussia is winning and will defeat Ukraine completely and decisively. TTG insists that the arrival of HIMARS and M777's are game changers and, wait for it, the Ukrainians will mount the ultimate offensive and push the Russians back to Moscow. Normally, I would not want to waste time to engage such nonsense but in this case I think it is warranted.

. . The fact that Ukraine had a three to one advantage and were embedded in defensive positions should have led to the defeat of the Russians. I've almost quit arguing about politics in this and the other forums, but this lie is so dumb and outrageous--how can I just let it go?

February 2022, before the Russian invasion. Source: Global Firepower.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia

Russia; Ukraine.

Active Personnel: 850,000; 200,000.

Paramilitary: 250,000; 50,000.

Tanks: 12,420; 2,596.

Armored Vehicles: 30,122; 12,303.

Total Aircraft: 4,945; 387.

Total Helicopters: 2,087; 146.

Naval Fleet: 605; 38.

[DramaFree11]

That's what I call service. My post wasn't up 30 minutes and you've already posted a reply. Stupid Shit in Kyiv is no doubt a great place to build your life around. Wink.

You whine with the same mantra over and over daily for months but your only alternative is for Ukraine to surrender their country, their culture and identity, toss their women to the wolves, accept tortures and executions, and submit their children to deportations and "re-education. " That isn't an option for them nor do they want it, irrespective of Zelensky. It's also not an option for the West to look the other way at this aggression against a democratic partner.

You are delusional in that your analysis is way overly simplistic with use of the black and white thinking fallacy. There are other possible outcomes besides a complete Russian defeat and surrender or else Ukraine should bend over and grab their ankles.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

There's unlikely to be any clear cut winner and loser as in one side unconditionally surrenders. Even if Russia managed to occupy Ukraine there would still be armed resistance. Occupying territory is one thing. Holding it is another. Russia isn't going to use nukes as that's suicide. Even if only tactical nukes they'd lose the few friends they have left in the world. So with that hardly at risk and NATO weapons and greater motivation among the Ukrainians in play, it's a pretty fair fight. Russian casualties and humiliation have been high, and it would be much worse if our weapons support wasn't restrained and delayed. Your prediction of Ukrainian demise within one week proved not only laughable, but the Ruskies lost key battles running from Kyiv and Kharkiv. Make a video game of that. Currently the Ukrainians are staging counter offensives in the South. The outcome will likely come at the negotiating table where Ukraine will be in a much better position than your bend over and grab their ankles, throw their identity, culture, women, and children to the wolves suggestion. While Russia has already lost the war with the failures of their key objectives, embarrassments on the battlefield, weighty economic sanctions, and worldwide pariah status.

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/chief-executive-leadership-institute-research-insights-business-retreats-and-sanctions

From the Western perspective, we've done what we had to do, sent the message that if one wants to change borders in Europe with aggression then there will be consequences. The appeasement you suggest of course invites more aggression. Thankfully that's how our politicians and most Americans see it. If that troubles you then you are free to surrender the freedoms you are enjoying and move to totalitarian Russia, say something they don't like, get caught with a joint and spend 15 years in Siberia. But instead you'll just hang out in the US all day posting in Stupid Shit in Kyiv. None of your predictions have panned out so far so we'll see how it goes. That or tell us all about everything you heard and saw in the Ukraine when we know you've never been. Wink.

P.S. Gas prices dropping, 50+ days and running.You have never been to Ukraine, but why would that matter. Yes, good news that gas prices are falling.

Occasionally, maybe you could write a post about a girl or getting laid. I spent Saturday in MTY and now I am CDMX, having a great trip. You are probably slumming somewhere in Colombia, chasing fat chicks.

[Paulie97]

He asserts that I am drinking Moscow's kool-aid because I point out the obviousRussia is winning and will defeat Ukraine completely and decisively.Then what the hell are they waiting for? 6 months in and as it stands now they've lost in the range of 40 to 75 K personnel, 1,768 of those silly jack in the box death trap tanks, 4,014 armored combat vehicles, 936 artillery systems, 223 aircraft, 117 air defense systems, 2,914 vehicles and tankers, 15 ships, etc. Etc. And all for marginal gains and two humiliating tuck tail and run defeats at Ukraine's two largest cities. Throw in the heavy economic sanctions, the many grieving Russian families of the war dead who are scared to speak out, the fact that win, lose or draw Russia is a pariah for generations, and thus far it's a lousy return on the investment, to say the least. Better shit or get off the pot. That or start to take negotiations seriously. Ukraine can field an army in the one million range and support from the West shows little signs of waning.

Puts can start by dropping the "de-Nazification" hogwash, while those on the extreme right represent only 2% of the voting population of Ukraine and have won no seats in parliament. And no the Jewish president, son of Holocaust survivors isn't a Nazi plant. LOL In case no one has noticed the Ruskies have a penchant for silly conspiracy theories just like the MAGAs, and the stance is always that of victimization while acting as the aggressor. That better explains Trump's role as Russo suck up while some of his followers have taken the same cue, shameful and unAmerican.

[Paulie97]

I've almost quit arguing about politics in this and the other forums, but this lie is so dumb and outrageous--how can I just let it go?Based on that criteria you'll be posting here every day, several times a day as the supply of lies, half-truths, and logical fallacies is boundless. Best policy is to not login to the site if you have more important and productive things to do.

[Travv]

You also forgot to tally the unofficial and official assistance of the US Army as shown in the original attached photo entering Ukraine! The power of US Diversity and Gay Pride will defeat Russian Masculinity and the Patriarchy! LOL!


I've almost quit arguing about politics in this and the other forums, but this lie is so dumb and outrageous--how can I just let it go?

February 2022, before the Russian invasion. Source: Global Firepower.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia

Russia; Ukraine.

Active Personnel: 850,000; 200,000..

[DramaFree11]

I've almost quit arguing about politics in this and the other forums, but this lie is so dumb and outrageous--how can I just let it go?

February 2022, before the Russian invasion. Source: Global Firepower.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia

Russia; Ukraine.

Active Personnel: 850,000; 200,000..XMan you finally wrote a good report. I never thought Ukraine had a 3-1 edge. The rest of his report is correct about the desertions and as the war drags on it will become a bigger issue for Ukraine. They have no reserve units and grandparents do not count.

[DramaFree11]

Then what the hell are they waiting for? 6 months in and as it stands now they've lost in the range of 40 to 75 K personnel, 1,768 of those silly jack in the box death trap tanks, 4,014 armored combat vehicles, 936 artillery systems, 223 aircraft, 117 air defense systems, 2,914 vehicles and tankers, 15 ships, etc. Etc. And all for marginal gains and two humiliating tuck tail and run defeats at Ukraine's two largest cities. Throw in the heavy economic sanctions, the many grieving Russian families of the war dead who are scared to speak out, the fact that win, lose or draw Russia is a pariah for generations, and thus far it's a lousy return on the investment, to say the least. Better shit or get off the pot. That or start to take negotiations seriously. Ukraine can field an army in the one million range and support from the West shows little signs of waning.

Puts can start by dropping the "de-Nazification" hogwash, while those on the extreme right represent only 2% of the voting population of Ukraine and have won no seats in parliament. And no the Jewish president, son of Holocaust survivors isn't a Nazi plant. LOL In case no one has noticed the Ruskies have a penchant for silly conspiracy theories just like the MAGAs, and the stance is always that of victimization while acting as the aggressor. That better explains Trump's role as Russo suck up while some of his followers have taken the same cue, shameful and unAmerican.Pauline talk about lying. Where in the Hell is Ukraine, going to get 1 million man army. (That is trained, under 50 and sorry females do not count. You are completely delusional) You really no nothing about Ukraine. Stop watching CNN and all the other fake news. This is the words negotiations have come out of your month. Both parties should be negotiating, including your hero Pres. Z. The head clown in charge.

[Xpartan]

Based on that criteria you'll be posting here every day, several times a day as the supply of lies, half-truths, and logical fallacies is boundless. Best policy is to not login to the site if you have more important and productive things to do.LOL, you've got a point.

But Travv's posted a direct and vicious falsehood, not their typical half-truths or logical fallacies. That he's now trying to say, oh no, it wasn't me, just some nutso blogger, makes it even more pathetic, IMHO.

[Travv]

Gonzalo Lira gave the number of Russian troops assigned to the invasion. You gave the total number of Russian troops available. Many of the Russian troops are posted on the Chinese or other borders and are not available for use in Ukraine since they are protecting distant regions. I googled and found this number of troops from a neutral website link posted below which roughly agrees with the number of Russian troops that Gonzalo Lira said were being used. Since Ukraine doesn't have to defend its border with Poland, it has freed up Ukie troops but still has not stopped Russia from taking the Donbass region. Seems to me Gonzalo Lira is correct!

Also, why are you still posting here? Shouldn't you be at the Ukrainian Embassy as was suggested a few days ago, taking the Ukie military oath for the International Legion and preparing to take your place in the trenches on the Eastern Front near the Donbass?

I suspect the biggest battle will be to get the chickenhawks, keyboard commandos and call of duty Rambos from their mommies basement and get them enlisted in the Ukie Legion! The Ukies should be able to draft a brigade of chickenhawks off of ISG posters that drool for war but refuse to leave their Xbox game consoles and head out to the Ukrainian trenches where they demand the rest of us be sent! LOL.

How many troops has Russia sent into invasion of Ukraine?

Estimates of the total number of Russian forces involved in the invasion of Ukraine vary but around 150,000 troops are thought to be deployed in total.

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/24/latest_news/1645729870_894320.html


I've almost quit arguing about politics in this and the other forums, but this lie is so dumb and outrageous--how can I just let it go?

February 2022, before the Russian invasion. Source: Global Firepower.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia

Russia; Ukraine.

Active Personnel: 850,000; 200,000.

Paramilitary: 250,000; 50,000.

Tanks: 12,420; 2,596.

Armored Vehicles: 30,122; 12,303.

Total Aircraft: 4,945; 387.

Total Helicopters: 2,087; 146.

Naval Fleet: 605; 38.

[Xpartan]

How many troops has Russia sent into invasion of Ukraine?

Estimates of the total number of Russian forces involved in the invasion of Ukraine vary but around 150,000 troops are thought to be deployed in total.

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/24/latest_news/1645729870_894320.htmlI'm not arguing with you that the main 2 reasons Russians fucked up so spectacularly are their eternal arrogance and sheer incompetence. That wouldn't be the first time in their history, of course. They decided to show up, rain fire on Ukrainian cities, kill a few hundred civilians, and wait till Ukrainians drop their drawers and bow down to the boss.

That doesn't matter though. Even if your sources are correct, and even if we assume that the ENTIRE Ukrainian army from the get go was fighting the advancing Russian troops along the 700-mile front line (a laughably impossible assumption, because the attack took AFU by surprise) -- even then your and your boy Gonzalo's "3 to 1" formula flies out of the window.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Hestendk]

Gonzalo Lira gave the number of Russian troops assigned to the invasion. You gave the total number of Russian troops available. Many of the Russian troops are posted on the Chinese or other borders and are not available for use in Ukraine since they are protecting distant regions. I googled and found this number of troops from a neutral website link posted below which roughly agrees with the number of Russian troops that Gonzalo Lira said were being used. Since Ukraine doesn't have to defend its border with Poland, it has freed up Ukie troops but still has not stopped Russia from taking the Donbass region. Seems to me Gonzalo Lira is correct!

Also, why are you still posting here? Shouldn't you be at the Ukrainian Embassy as was suggested a few days ago, taking the Ukie military oath for the International Legion and preparing to take your place in the trenches on the Eastern Front near the Donbass?

I suspect the biggest battle will be to get the chickenhawks, keyboard commandos and call of duty Rambos from their mommies basement and get them enlisted in the Ukie Legion! The Ukies should be able to draft a brigade of chickenhawks off of ISG posters that drool for war but refuse to leave their Xbox game consoles and head out to the Ukrainian trenches where they demand the rest of us be sent! LOL.

How many troops has Russia sent into invasion of Ukraine?

Estimates of the total number of Russian forces involved in the invasion of Ukraine vary but around 150,000 troops are thought to be deployed in total.

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/24/latest_news/1645729870_894320.htmlYour quoting an article from 26 February 2022 ?

A good Guess about how many troops / Meccernaries Russia have in Ukraine would be +300.000 that's been or are involved, this counts all troops, including 200 & 300 Status.

Then people talk about the Global Firepower rankings.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia

I always been saying this is BS.

One thing is to count how many Tanks Russia have, when knowing little bit about russia and there way to operate then you need count how many tanks are infact WORKING.

If Russia was so strong as soem people still think, then Ukrain would be fighting inside Kyiv already, also the Air defence is still working in Ukraine inclduign planes.

I myself personally seen 4 Newly made Landingsstrips for fighting planes, seen more then 20 planes parked at these (different planes, tail tag).

To think the Russians are winning is based on what proff?

Last month they gained 0. 02% of land compared the month before.

Before suggesting me to join the Foreign legion, then let me come before you there.

I'm workign with The foreign legion but as Support staff, on the eve of 23 Feb., I prepared the Bagpack and the weapons we had in house and was ready to drive.

On the 24 aot of us who was ready as foreigners was asked to wait and bette make noise and get support down.

My Team (4 guys) managed to get more then 75 highly trained European soldiers down and equip them and they was send into battle and helped liberate Irpin / Bucha area.

No dead ones yet of these, but some with injuries.

All the ones I spoken with, everyone of them says that the Russians using old tactics at best or else just running without any tactics and they where unprepared and poorly trained.

[Travv]

Newsweek.

. . In just the last few days, the narrative has palpably shifted. First, Thomas Friedman of the New York Times sent up a trial balloon, a clear signal straight from one of the White House's most dependable stenographers:

Dear reader: The Ukraine war is not over. And privately, USA Officials are a lot more concerned about Ukraine's leadership than they are letting on. There is deep mistrust between the White House and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky—considerably more than has been reported.

What are those limits regarding Ukraine? Well, for starters, Zelensky rules much like his adversary, the universally denounced Putin, does. Zelensky shut down all opposition media in Ukraine, then banned opposition political parties. He declared that Russia would have to kill every single citizen of Kyiv to get to him, but also found time to pose for a melodramatic Annie Leibovitz portrait spread for American fashion magazine Vogue. Zelensky also fired the Ukrainian equivalent of the USA Attorney General and the head of the CIA, on the very same day, perhaps during breaks from his grandiose photo shoot.

Like Friedman, CBS News apparently got the memo to start tarnishing Zelensky's halo. That network explored the folly of sending a mountain of USA Taxpayer money into one of the most corrupt countries on Earth, though later deleted its tweet on the topic. CBS admitted that vast amounts of American largesse has been pilfered, conceding that "much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the USA Is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines. " CBS also quoted an on-the-ground operative who disclosed the reality of America's generosity: "like 30 percent of it reaches its final destination. ".

So, American taxpayers borrow tens of billions of dollars their country does not have, to send fortunes to the unaccountable leader of a corrupt country, all to escalate a war in which America has no vital national interest. Oh, and during a recession with runaway inflation at home. Gotcha. That reality would be damning enough, but Zelensky just upped the ante, making American escalation even more wrongheaded. . . . Zelensky has now put out feelers to the USA's primary adversary, China, promising a "bridge to Europe".

Putin is a thug and Zelensky is a corrupt autocrat. Their battle involves no vital USA National interest. Biden's intervention harms America and worsens the plight of the Ukrainian people, who have become pawns in a battle of Black Sea oligarchs. America should insist on dialogue, negotiation, and de-escalation. If the parties refuse, then it's time for an American approach of realism and restraint, because this is simply not our fight, and Zelensky sure as hell is not our fighter. Steve Cortez.

Comment: The sane solution here is for the USA to remain neutral like Switzerland and sell arms and supplies to both sides for cash. However, this option will not occur since "much of the billions of dollars of. . . Aid that the US is sending to Ukraine" is skimmed and sold, presumably by the Ukrainian mafia with kickbacks to "The Big Guy" and other politicians. Those who are chickenhawks here should stop trying to get others to fight for them (Hawk for war) and stop being Chickens themselves and enlist in the Ukie Legion! Practice what you preach! It's a rich politicians'$ war and a poor man's fight. If this is what you want, enlist in the Ukie Legion and leave the rest of us out of it!

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-narrative-shifting-opinion-1731875

[Hestendk]

Newsweek.

. . In just the last few days, the narrative has palpably shifted. First, Thomas Friedman of the New York Times sent up a trial balloon, a clear signal straight from one of the White House's most dependable stenographers:

Dear reader: The Ukraine war is not over. And privately, USA Officials are a lot more concerned about Ukraine's leadership than they are letting on. There is deep mistrust between the White House and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyconsiderably more than has been reported.

What are those limits regarding Ukraine? Well, for starters, Zelensky rules much like his adversary, the universally denounced Putin, does. Zelensky shut down all opposition media in Ukraine, then banned opposition political parties. He declared that Russia would have to kill every single citizen of Kyiv to get to him, but also found time to pose for a melodramatic Annie Leibovitz portrait spread for American fashion magazine Vogue. Zelensky also fired the Ukrainian equivalent of the USA Attorney General and the head of the CIA, on the very same day, perhaps during breaks from his grandiose photo shoot.

Like Friedman, CBS News apparently got the memo to start tarnishing Zelensky's halo. That network explored the folly of sending a mountain of USA Taxpayer money into one of the most corrupt countries on Earth, though later deleted its tweet on the topic. CBS admitted that vast amounts of American largesse has been pilfered, conceding that "much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the USA Is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines. " CBS also quoted an on-the-ground operative who disclosed the reality of America's generosity: "like 30 percent of it reaches its final destination. ".

So, American taxpayers borrow tens of billions of dollars their country does not have, to send fortunes to the unaccountable leader of a corrupt country, all to escalate a war in which America has no vital national interest. Oh, and during a recession with runaway inflation at home. Gotcha. That reality would be damning enough, but Zelensky just upped the ante, making American escalation even more wrongheaded. . . . Zelensky has now put out feelers to the USA's primary adversary, China, promising a "bridge to Europe".

Putin is a thug and Zelensky is a corrupt autocrat. Their battle involves no vital USA National interest. Biden's intervention harms America and worsens the plight of the Ukrainian people, who have become pawns in a battle of Black Sea oligarchs. America should insist on dialogue, negotiation, and de-escalation. If the parties refuse, then it's time for an American approach of realism and restraint, because this is simply not our fight, and Zelensky sure as hell is not our fighter. Steve Cortez.

Comment: The sane solution here is for the USA to remain neutral like Switzerland and sell arms and supplies to both sides for cash. However, this option will not occur since "much of the billions of dollars of. . . Aid that the US is sending to Ukraine" is skimmed and sold, presumably by the Ukrainian mafia with kickbacks to "The Big Guy" and other politicians. Those who are chickenhawks here should stop trying to get others to fight for them (Hawk for war) and stop being Chickens themselves and enlist in the Ukie Legion! Practice what you preach! It's a rich politicians'$ war and a poor man's fight. If this is what you want, enlist in the Ukie Legion and leave the rest of us out of it!

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-narrative-shifting-opinion-1731875Linking to an article that's an Opinion Article what's your point with that?

You complain that Zelinsky uses his power to fires people he want to change in the Government.

Thats fully inside the scope of the democratic way to rule.

Zelinsky been replacing alot of people lately, and In my opinion its because there is now a need for different people.

Same as a Company, when you start Person X is probbaly a Good CEO, but after 5 years he is maybe a Bad CEO because the company is somewhere else then 5 years ago.

You write it like 70% of the help is stolen, which is untrue, alot of the promised help are not arrived yet, and some of it is comming slower then promised.

To Call Zelinsky a Autocrat show you don't know what an Autocrat is.

There is No proff of larger scale stealing of the Weapons help, yes there been some stealing and its beeing delt with.

There also been private people who collected money and used them for own gains, this also beeing delt with.

Zelinsky also not banned all opposition political parties, the Rada banned all Communist / Russian Parties until the war is over.

There is still many Opposition parties operating today, including big one with members in Rada (Poroschenko etc).

Most of what you write is plain old BS, you not even know what a Presidenst job is, you complain that he istrying to get attentions of the media, which is how you infact make sure Ukrain is not forgotten.

I like that you want the the USA should insist in dialogue.

You remember Russia said they would NOT invade?

How do you have a positive dialogue with a asshole who one days says one thing and the next day do the opposite of that?

[PedroMorales]

How do you have a positive dialogue with a asshole who one days says one thing and the next day do the opposite of that?That is the very problem here, arguing with idiots like you. The role of a President differs from country to country. Some have executive power, others do not. Zelensky has not only banned most opposition parties but locked up their leaders. You hold up Poroshenko as some kind of good guy, the guy who banned Russian and helped kick start this whole mess. I am waiting on a woman to drop round to suck my cock. Much better than reading your nonsense or of anyone else who thinks that the leader of a country should wave his cock around in public.

[DramaFree11]

Linking to an article that's an Opinion Article what's your point with that?

You complain that Zelinsky uses his power to fires people he want to change in the Government.

Thats fully inside the scope of the democratic way to rule.

Zelinsky been replacing alot of people lately, and In my opinion its because there is now a need for different people.

Same as a Company, when you start Person X is probbaly a Good CEO, but after 5 years he is maybe a Bad CEO because the company is somewhere else then 5 years ago.

You write it like 70% of the help is stolen, which is untrue, alot of the promised help are not arrived yet, and some of it is comming slower then promised.

To Call Zelinsky a Autocrat show you don't know what an Autocrat is.This is not a good thing for Ukraine. If you are having to change personnel this late in the game it just means big trouble. I am sure reality is starting to sink in for Pres. Z. Ukraine is in a no win situation, it will only get worse.

[Travv]

"Refusing to follow several western nations to impose damaging costs on Russia for its unwarranted invasion of a sovereign Ukraine, the right wing president Jair Bolsonaro criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky saying that Brazil would "adopt a neutral stance on Ukraine" and will not impose sanctions on Russia.

Speaking at a news conference while on vacation on Sunday, January 27, Bolsonaro said Ukrainians had "trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation" — referring to Zelensky's former career as an actor and comedian. . . ".

That's some stupid shxt right there! What could possibly go wrong with putting a comedian in charge of negotiation with the Russians? Maybe a giant Russian shxthammer down on the entire country when the Russians realized he was a *******? Z to Ukrainians: You fxcked up! You trusted us with the fate of your nation!


That is the very problem here, arguing with idiots like you. The role of a President differs from country to country. Some have executive power, others do not. Zelensky has not only banned most opposition parties but locked up their leaders. You hold up Poroshenko as some kind of good guy, the guy who banned Russian and helped kick start this whole mess. I am waiting on a woman to drop round to suck my cock. Much better than reading your nonsense or of anyone else who thinks that the leader of a country should wave his cock around in public.

[Hestendk]

That is the very problem here, arguing with idiots like you. The role of a President differs from country to country. Some have executive power, others do not. Zelensky has not only banned most opposition parties but locked up their leaders. You hold up Poroshenko as some kind of good guy, the guy who banned Russian and helped kick start this whole mess. I am waiting on a woman to drop round to suck my cock. Much better than reading your nonsense or of anyone else who thinks that the leader of a country should wave his cock around in public.So who did zelinsky lock up after the war broke out?

To say he banned most oppositions parties is an lie if you don't know that then please read up on it.

The only person who started this Mess is Putin.

[Hestendk]

This is not a good thing for Ukraine. If you are having to change personnel this late in the game it just means big trouble. I am sure reality is starting to sink in for Pres. Z. Ukraine is in a no win situation, it will only get worse.I don't know if you been in ukraine after 24 February?

And I don't know where you get your info from.

But yes we can agree that its in general is bad to changes these position these times, but if it needs then it need be done.

To say Ukrain is in a No Win situation Could you please explain why you think this?

Because the Repports I'm getting from the front says different.

And last month Russia managed to take 0. 02% land compared to the month before, and this month they lost more then gained.

[Hestendk]

"Refusing to follow several western nations to impose damaging costs on Russia for its unwarranted invasion of a sovereign Ukraine, the right wing president Jair Bolsonaro criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky saying that Brazil would "adopt a neutral stance on Ukraine" and will not impose sanctions on Russia.

Speaking at a news conference while on vacation on Sunday, January 27, Bolsonaro said Ukrainians had "trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation" referring to Zelensky's former career as an actor and comedian. . . ".

That's some stupid shxt right there! What could possibly go wrong with putting a comedian in charge of negotiation with the Russians? Maybe a giant Russian shxthammer down on the entire country when the Russians realized he was a *******? Z to Ukrainians: You fxcked up! You trusted us with the fate of your nation!Zelinsky was not my favorit in the last election.

But I can say he probably been the president that done most good fro Ukraine the last 12 years if not more.

Many people starts their carrers one place and end up another.

Yes he Is an comedian, but he was also a pretty big business owner succesfully, which I think is a good thing as a politican person.

I have when Politic people only have worked in that field and never had their hand dirty in the real life.

In my opinion I see Zelinsky use a lot of advisors that have better knowledge then him on certain points and listen to those, excatly as most western leaders to (whaterver its business or politics).

So to continue with this that he was A comedian, seriously? Grow up.

And what so. Richard Branson, Abraham Lincoln they also dropped out of school but see where that landed them.

[PedroMorales]

So who did zelinsky lock up after the war broke out?

To say he banned most oppositions parties is an lie if you don't know that then please read up on it.

The only person who started this Mess is Putin.Viktor Medvedchuk is a prisoner of CockMan Zelensky.

Here is a a link to parties Cock Man has banned. Stick to rimming hairy Ukrainian asses.

This "Mess" began when you Nazis started your Maidan crimes. Hopefully, you will all meet the same end Bandera met.

[Hestendk]

Viktor Medvedchuk is a prisoner of CockMan Zelensky.

Here is a a link to parties Cock Man has banned. Stick to rimming hairy Ukrainian asses.

This "Mess" began when you Nazis started your Maidan crimes. Hopefully, you will all meet the same end Bandera met.The mess started When Putin came to power.

Have you ever been to Ukraine?

I not meet any Nazi here, but I meet plenty in russia.

Viktor was first Jailed but in his house, for a major involment in coruption and also helping the occupied areas to sell coal diverteed back to Ukrain.

Then 2-3 days before the 24 February he escaped from the House (his own big manson).

Noone knew where he was, but some months after he was arrested trying to get to cross the border and in an Ukrain Uniform.

So yes Ukrain jailed him, but there are valid reasons behind it, and Viktor had a big play in the 24 February playbook.

So maybe you should try and read up on the things and not just make your own story.

Is clear that your Anti Western, sp maybe you should just go live in Chine / Russia.

[John Clayton]

Viktor Medvedchuk is a prisoner of CockMan Zelensky.

Here is a a link to parties Cock Man has banned. Stick to rimming hairy Ukrainian asses.

This "Mess" began when you Nazis started your Maidan crimes. Hopefully, you will all meet the same end Bandera met."Pedro Morales" is a troll, who lives in St. Petersburg and is paid by Unit 54777 of the GRU.

[PedroMorales]

"Pedro Morales" is a troll, who lives in St. Petersburg and is paid by Unit 54777 of the GRU.Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banned_political_parties_in_Ukraine are some of the political parties Cock Man Zelensky has banned. I forgot to post the link. He is taking the West for a mega Bn $ ride.

After your latest personalised attack on me, I flicked back through your posts to confirm what an American idiot you are. You mention a certain place. I have been there, packing. As were my friends. We were on a charity mission to rescue a fool, someone like you. There are places, you fool, you are better to go to your God like a soldier. If you are ever blessed to meet me, you will see I am Gandhi and Mother Theresa in one. Not so those friends who would slit anyone's throat in a blink (Never trust a Spic with a knife, The Naked and the Dead? Those guys who would easily handle a butterfly like me and squash a slug like you, were genuinely scared in some places and for good reason. Some places you just don't go, no matter how many Rambo cock suckers you have; not my words but theirs. I even had to get armed guards to go in and fuck the hired help (not much of a fuck but I digress) . What is the expression about your sort, fools go where angels fear to thread. The Mexican Apache thought Geronimo and his pals were putos and the Comanche were a rougher crowd; they had a point. There are much tougher around. Not a threat to you as you are just another fat Yank, who can't even eat a hamburger correctly. The point is, stick to your hamburgers and hand jobs. If you want excitement, go watch animals in a zoo. There are far more dangerous outv there in the wild, and they don't eat hamburgers, drink Coke and sniff little chicas' panties.

As regards Ukraine, Zelensky's days are numbered. Do you like that he used to expose his cock for a living. You get off on shit like that? These are rhetorical questions as you are American, a blubber whale without the nutrition.

God bless. Pray the Rosary.

[PedroMorales]

The mess started When Putin came to power.

Is clear that your Anti Western, sp maybe you should just go live in Chine / Russia.Putin and Russia have nothing to do with this, except stopping your genocide.

Russia and its allies are winning, so you parasites can live in the rump state Russia, Roman ia, Poland and Hungary leave you with. You swarmed into Western Europe as economic migrants. Best stick to what you are good at: picking asparagus in Germany, strawberries in Finland and pimping out your sisters and mothers in Ukraine as hookers and surrogates. No one wants Nazis, except in a zoo.

[Paulie97]

"Pedro Morales" is a troll, who lives in St. Petersburg and is paid by Unit 54777 of the GRU.Hopefully they aren't paying him more than the Russian minimum wage as his work is quite shrill, disoriented, just shoddy. Wink.

[Hestendk]

Putin and Russia have nothing to do with this, except stopping your genocide.

Russia and its allies are winning, so you parasites can live in the rump state Russia, Roman ia, Poland and Hungary leave you with. You swarmed into Western Europe as economic migrants. Best stick to what you are good at: picking asparagus in Germany, strawberries in Finland and pimping out your sisters and mothers in Ukraine as hookers and surrogates. No one wants Nazis, except in a zoo.Only ones doing Genocide is the Russians, plenty of proff of that.

Yes yes Russia is winning, that's why the Graveyards in Russia a full of 200, and hospitals of 300.

How Can I swarm into western Euripe as E-conomic Migrant? When I'm Born and raised in one of the most rich Western Europe Countries?

You got me right on One thing, I'm infact very good at picking Asparagues.

What is your skillset?

Head Down Asss up?

[The Cane]

What is your skillset? Head Down Asss up?Man did you get that one right!

[Kozerog]

To say Ukrain is in a No Win situation Could you please explain why you think this?

Because the Repports I'm getting from the front says different.

And last month Russia managed to take 0. 02% land compared to the month before, and this month they lost more then gained.Ukrainian military is fighting brilliantly. But that's tactics. You need think strategically, big picture.

If Russia is humiliated in this war, they will retaliate by fully backing China in the eventual war over Taiwan. Technology has changed so that cutting sea lanes is much easier than in WW2, when Germany tried but failed to use submarines to cut sea lanes. In particular, drone subs and smart torpedoes / mines will soon make it easy for combined Russia / China to impose a sea blockade on Taiwan, Korea and Japan. Since all of those countries depend heavily on sea transport, they will soon concede. Concession means Taiwan accepts Chinese sovereignty, Korea and Japan become neutrals and expel USA military bases. This will be a colossal loss of prestige for the USA.

Next step is Russia agrees to back off their alliance with China is exchange for non-interference in Ukraine (and Kazakhstan, see etc). In order to avoid further defeats from China-Russia-Iran alliance, USA accepts this Russian offer and throws Ukraine under the bus. So all this current vfighting and loss of life and destruction of property will have been for nought because Ukraine is going to be a Russian dependency again eventually.

Precisely because Russia is so weak, Europeans won't object when USA decides to ally with Russia in exchange for Russia breaking with China. So in the long run, no one is coming to Ukraine's defense. By long run, I'm talking 5-20 years. Long time span to resolve situation is not good news for Ukraine, because it just means more death and destruction with the same final result. Even if Russia gets pushed all the way back to the 2014 border (no Crimea, no Donbas), Russia can just wait until USA occupied with China and strike again, next time usibg Chinese drone technology, which is getting better very fast.

I don't know what USA strategy is, and probably USA itself doesn't know. As with idiotic USA strategy in Afghanistan, military leaders just say whatever the politicians want to hear so they can get steady promotions, and the politicians follow the herd, which is increasingly scatter-brained, in case you haven't noticed. If USA actually wanted a quick victory in Ukraine, why not send huge numbers of HiMARs artillery and rockets long ago, manned by USA citizen CIA soldiers without uniforms? Fuck the rules of war: you want to win, you break rules. Answer: because USA doesn't really want to win, they just want to bleed Russia for some reason. USA Secretary of Defense actually said just that. Why bleed Russia if Russia so weak they can't possibly threaten Western Europe? It makes no sense. Though maybe explained by my comment that scatter-brained USA electorate is ultimately in charge of USA policy, at least until China moves, at which point steadier hands will seize control of the ship and the scatter-brained herd will be told to take orders instead of giving them.

Finally, remember that Ukraine has no nukes and never will have them, but Russia does have them, which is another reason USA doesn't really want Ukraine to win.

[Hestendk]

Ukrainian military is fighting brilliantly. But that's tactics. You need think strategically, big picture.

If Russia is humiliated in this war, they will retaliate by fully backing China in the eventual war over Taiwan. Technology has changed so that cutting sea lanes is much easier than in WW2, when Germany tried but failed to use submarines to cut sea lanes. In particular, drone subs and smart torpedoes / mines will soon make it easy for combined Russia / China to impose a sea blockade on Taiwan, Korea and Japan. Since all of those countries depend heavily on sea transport, they will soon concede. Concession means Taiwan accepts Chinese sovereignty, Korea and Japan become neutrals and expel USA military bases. This will be a colossal loss of prestige for the USA.

Next step is Russia agrees to back off their alliance with China is exchange for non-interference in Ukraine (and Kazakhstan, see etc). In order to avoid further defeats from China-Russia-Iran alliance, USA accepts this Russian offer and throws Ukraine under the bus. So all this current vfighting and loss of life and destruction of property will have been for nought because Ukraine is going to be a Russian dependency again eventually.

Precisely because Russia is so weak, Europeans won't object when USA decides to ally with Russia in exchange for Russia breaking with China. So in the long run, no one is coming to Ukraine's defense. By long run, I'm talking 5-20 years. Long time span to resolve situation is not good news for Ukraine, because it just means more death and destruction with the same final result. Even if Russia gets pushed all the way back to the 2014 border (no Crimea, no Donbas), Russia can just wait until USA occupied with China and strike again, next time usibg Chinese drone technology, which is getting better very fast.

I don't know what USA strategy is, and probably USA itself doesn't know. As with idiotic USA strategy in Afghanistan, military leaders just say whatever the politicians want to hear so they can get steady promotions, and the politicians follow the herd, which is increasingly scatter-brained, in case you haven't noticed. If USA actually wanted a quick victory in Ukraine, why not send huge numbers of HiMARs artillery and rockets long ago, manned by USA citizen CIA soldiers without uniforms? Fuck the rules of war: you want to win, you break rules. Answer: because USA doesn't really want to win, they just want to bleed Russia for some reason. USA Secretary of Defense actually said just that. Why bleed Russia if Russia so weak they can't possibly threaten Western Europe? It makes no sense. Though maybe explained by my comment that scatter-brained USA electorate is ultimately in charge of USA policy, at least until China moves, at which point steadier hands will seize control of the ship and the scatter-brained herd will be told to take orders instead of giving them.

Finally, remember that Ukraine has no nukes and never will have them, but Russia does have them, which is another reason USA doesn't really want Ukraine to win.I can agree with what your writting, could be a potentially endgame, but I not think this is going to happend.

China as I See it is tired of Russia Fucking up everywhere they go, China have major problems themself on the Real Estate market, if that collapse they will have big Internal problems, which cannot be hidden with a War against Taiwan.

I think Russia Will break and have a Leadeship changes before 12 months, A leadership that can be made a peace with, remember Russians leaders don't have a problem throwing the old Leaders under the Bus if needed.

China Until now have not exported much to Russia This Year, yes they are buying energy ressurces but at a very high discount.

Russia is a sinking ship, they just don't admit it yet.

Have you see the new troops they sending, and their loadout.

If this continues Ukrain will be able to defeat them with bow and arrows on the battle field.

[Chicago85]

I can agree with what your writting, could be a potentially endgame, but I not think this is going to happend.

China as I See it is tired of Russia Fucking up everywhere they go, China have major problems themself on the Real Estate market, if that collapse they will have big Internal problems, which cannot be hidden with a War against Taiwan.

I think Russia Will break and have a Leadeship changes before 12 months, A leadership that can be made a peace with, remember Russians leaders don't have a problem throwing the old Leaders under the Bus if needed.

China Until now have not exported much to Russia This Year, yes they are buying energy ressurces but at a very high discount.

Russia is a sinking ship, they just don't admit it yet. Have you see the new troops they sending, and their loadout.

If this continues Ukraine will be able to defeat them with bow and arrows on the battle field.Few Thoughts:

Ukraine. I agree that the US is not giving Ukraine what it needs to outright 'win,' and this is by design so as not to antagonize Russia (given nukes) and to bleed them dry. What the US, and others to a more limited degree, are doing though is continuing to transition Ukraine to advanced Western weapons and more of them. They started out with 4 HIMARS which royally f-ed up Russia and they're now up to 12 or so plus equivalents from other counties. The USA Has 500+ of those systems, not to mention ones capable of much longer ranges and accuracy. Additionally the US has only been sharing late 90's technology. If they wanted to they could roll out the latest suff.

China. The key here is the US Public's willingness to enter into a war with China. Should we want to we could lay the hammer down. Financially, over 20% of China exports are to the USA Vs 8% the other way. Include Europe / Japan and it'd hit 50% plus.... we could isolate China trade wise. They also hold over $1 T of our debt. From a military standpoint, yes they do have a larger armed forced, but it is nearly all conscripted and non-professional (ie poorly trained). The US has nearly 1 M professional soldiers who are incredibly well trained and the logistics are a well oiled machine. Last of all, you mention a blockade of Taiwan. The US and allies could do the same in the South China Sea for China. China imports 80%+ of their oil (at least until Russia pipeline is expanded). That's a big choke point right there.

Just my armchair quarterback ramblings!

[Kozerog]

It never ceases to amaze me when people think exports matter. If no buyer, throw it in the ocean. Imports are what matter, exports are what you use to pay for essential imports. China imports oil, food, raw materials, which is precisely why I have that long 5-20 year time frame. Pipelines will be built eventually, and sanctions pretty much guarantee Russia will feed those pipelines. Both China and Russia now see that owning USA debt is a mistake, so they will gradually convert that debt to stockpiles of raw materials so they no longer need to import much. Both China and Russia will build a semiconductor industry so they no longer depend on USA and allies for that. This Ukraine war has revealed weaknesses, and both China and Russia will now try to fix those weaknesses before the move on Taiwan. (Of course, China could be stupid and attack now, just like Russia was stupid to attack too soon.).

If Russia is a sinking ship, that just gives China more leverage to force Russia to sell China what it needs. Too much Russian weakness is not good news for USA. What USA needs is a medium strengtg Russia that fears China more than the USA but is strong enough to break with China and defend Siberia. Ukraine might benefit from extreme Russian weakness, but expecting Russia to fall apart soon is wishful thinking. Plus those nukes will still be there, possibly in the hands of someone much worse than current Russian leadership.

[Hestendk]

It never ceases to amaze me when people think exports matter. If no buyer, throw it in the ocean. Imports are what matter, exports are what you use to pay for essential imports. China imports oil, food, raw materials, which is precisely why I have that long 5-20 year time frame. Pipelines will be built eventually, and sanctions pretty much guarantee Russia will feed those pipelines. Both China and Russia now see that owning USA debt is a mistake, so they will gradually convert that debt to stockpiles of raw materials so they no longer need to import much. Both China and Russia will build a semiconductor industry so they no longer depend on USA and allies for that. This Ukraine war has revealed weaknesses, and both China and Russia will now try to fix those weaknesses before the move on Taiwan. (Of course, China could be stupid and attack now, just like Russia was stupid to attack too soon.).

If Russia is a sinking ship, that just gives China more leverage to force Russia to sell China what it needs. Too much Russian weakness is not good news for USA. What USA needs is a medium strengtg Russia that fears China more than the USA but is strong enough to break with China and defend Siberia. Ukraine might benefit from extreme Russian weakness, but expecting Russia to fall apart soon is wishful thinking. Plus those nukes will still be there, possibly in the hands of someone much worse than current Russian leadership.China Already have Semiconductor plants, but the issue is that the Patents are hold by western companies.

This is the same issue Russia Have, dosnt matter if they could manage to Build a plant, but it need to have high tech stuff which they not have access to, but the still needed a design for a Semiconductor of high level and not just some old shit from the 80 or 90.

Russia don't have the scientist to developed these things right now.

China is stockpiling Natural gas and Oil.

What will happend when they stop to do this?

The Oil / Gas Market will fall and then russia have a big problem.

[Hestendk]

Few Thoughts:

Ukraine. I agree that the US is not giving Ukraine what it needs to outright 'win,' and this is by design so as not to antagonize Russia (given nukes) and to bleed them dry. What the US, and others to a more limited degree, are doing though is continuing to transition Ukraine to advanced Western weapons and more of them. They started out with 4 HIMARS which royally f-ed up Russia and they're now up to 12 or so plus equivalents from other counties. The USA Has 500+ of those systems, not to mention ones capable of much longer ranges and accuracy. Additionally the US has only been sharing late 90's technology. If they wanted to they could roll out the latest suff.

China. The key here is the US Public's willingness to enter into a war with China. Should we want to we could lay the hammer down. Financially, over 20% of China exports are to the USA Vs 8% the other way. Include Europe / Japan and it'd hit 50% plus.... we could isolate China trade wise. They also hold over $1 T of our debt. From a military standpoint, yes they do have a larger armed forced, but it is nearly all conscripted and non-professional (ie poorly trained). The US has nearly 1 M professional soldiers who are incredibly well trained and the logistics are a well oiled machine. Last of all, you mention a blockade of Taiwan. The US and allies could do the same in the South China Sea for China. China imports 80%+ of their oil (at least until Russia pipeline is expanded). That's a big choke point right there.

Just my armchair quarterback ramblings!Right now Ukrain have 16 Himars as a Minimum.

Then they have the 270 MLRS, 6 as I remember.

I don't think the US have +500 of such Lunchpads but dosnt matter, Ukrain just need little bit more and some longer ranged missiles for it.

Russia is running dry of everything.

Just look Youtubers who still broadcasts and they saying the Malls are half empty compared to normal, the lines of goods much less then normal etc etc.

In a standoff vs. China I don't see China have any chance defeating the combined west, without going full nuclear, and then noone or everyone win (depending on how you see it).

[PedroMorales]

As Russia's forces pound Soledar, more than 2,000 Banderites have been killed, with many more surrendering. The 15th Battalion of 58th AFU Motorized Infantry Brigade has been eliminated. Iranian Shahed 129 drones are seeing action and have already wiped out batteries of M777 Howitzers. The head of the Hitlerite forces is asking Zelensky for permission to withdraw as discipline is further dissipating. What he should be doing is fragging Zelensky and his wife. This is a turkey shoot. Zelensky should be arrested before he flees to one of his overseas mansions.

[MgLuulay]

As Russia's forces pound Soledar, more than 2,000 Banderites have been killed, with many more surrendering. The 15th Battalion of 58th AFU Motorized Infantry Brigade has been eliminated. Iranian Shahed 129 drones are seeing action and have already wiped out batteries of M777 Howitzers. The head of the Hitlerite forces is asking Zelensky for permission to withdraw as discipline is further dissipating. What he should be doing is fragging Zelensky and his wife. This is a turkey shoot. Zelensky should be arrested before he flees to one of his overseas mansions.You are talking Joke.

People are suffering because of Putin, he should be hanged.

[Hestendk]

As Russia's forces pound Soledar, more than 2,000 Banderites have been killed, with many more surrendering. The 15th Battalion of 58th AFU Motorized Infantry Brigade has been eliminated. Iranian Shahed 129 drones are seeing action and have already wiped out batteries of M777 Howitzers. The head of the Hitlerite forces is asking Zelensky for permission to withdraw as discipline is further dissipating. What he should be doing is fragging Zelensky and his wife. This is a turkey shoot. Zelensky should be arrested before he flees to one of his overseas mansions.I think this is the 3rd time Russia says they eliminated the 15th Battalion.

Where do you get your news from, please show me.

[Travv]

KYIV, UKRAINE — Ukrainian President and American pop culture icon Volodymyr Zelensky made another emotional plea today for additional USA Funding to help his country's war efforts against Russia.

Dressed in a full-length fur coat and a fat gold chain with a diamond-encrusted dollar sign, Zelensky made an impassioned request. "We are in dire need of additional financial resources to help us in our struggle against the evil Russian invaders," Zelensky told the media gathered around him. "It is only through the generosity of the American government that the Ukrainian people will be able to fight back against our oppressors. ".

The Biden Administration was all too happy to comply. "The President has already authorized an additional $800 million in aid for the brave Ukrainian government," said White House spokesperson Liz Megli. "And the American people can have full confidence that this money is going directly into the hands of the Ukrainian military and suffering Ukrainian children and is in no way part of a massive international money laundering scheme. ".

Republican congressional leaders initially questioned the additional funding but quickly changed their minds after the media asked them why they hated Ukrainian children and wanted them to die.

At publishing time, Zelensky was already busy earmarking where the latest wave of USA Funding would go. "It will be used for very good things. Yes, only to aid us in our righteous cause," Zelensky said before ordering the crew of his jet to be sure the bottles of Cristal on board were sufficiently chilled before takeoff for his flight to one of his new mansions in Tel Aviv or Miami. . .

[DramaFree11]

KYIV, UKRAINE Ukrainian President and American pop culture icon Volodymyr Zelensky made another emotional plea today for additional USA Funding to help his country's war efforts against Russia.

Dressed in a full-length fur coat and a fat gold chain with a diamond-encrusted dollar sign, Zelensky made an impassioned request. "We are in dire need of additional financial resources to help us in our struggle against the evil Russian invaders," Zelensky told the media gathered around him. "It is only through the generosity of the American government that the Ukrainian people will be able to fight back against our oppressors. ".

The Biden Administration was all too happy to comply. "The President has already authorized an additional $800 million in aid for the brave Ukrainian government," said White House spokesperson Liz Megli. "And the American people can have full confidence that this money is going directly into the hands of the Ukrainian military and suffering Ukrainian children and is in no way part of a massive international money laundering scheme. ".

Republican congressional leaders initially questioned the additional funding but quickly changed their minds after the media asked them why they hated Ukrainian children and wanted them to die.Great report. I could not find that picture, please post a link.

[Travv]

Fake but real? LOL.


Great report. I could not find that picture, please post a link.

[Xpartan]

Great report. I could not find that picture, please post a link.Let me help you out then.

https://babylonbee.com/news/zelensky-gives-impassioned-plea-for-more-us-money-while-wearing-a-fur-coat-and-gold-chain

The page above belongs to Babylon Bee, a conservative pseudo-satirical website that desperately tries to emulate success of The Onion.

Travv prefers not to credit his "sources" in a hope that some gullible individuals take them (and his other lies) seriously.

Proxy lying, as I call it.

[Kozerog]

More serious discussion of corruption in Ukraine:

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/

USA "corruption" is not really corruption, since its perfectly legal business as usual. Defense contractors give $100 million in legal campaign contributions to politicians, politicians vote for $10 billion extra military spending in Ukraine, defense contractors get $1 billion extra profits. (I'm just making numbers up, of course, but you get the point.) Defense contractors and politicians win, USA taxpayers lose, Ukraine gets destroyed. War is a racket. I got my own start in life in the USA defense industry, BTW.

[Xpartan]

More serious discussion of corruption in Ukraine:

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/

USA "corruption" is not really corruption, since its perfectly legal business as usual. Defense contractors give $100 million in legal campaign contributions to politicians, politicians vote for $10 billion extra military spending in Ukraine, defense contractors get $1 billion extra profits. (I'm just making numbers up, of course, but you get the point.) Defense contractors and politicians win, USA taxpayers lose, Ukraine gets destroyed. War is a racket. I got my own start in life in the USA defense industry, BTW.Everything you must know about Max Blumenthal, the creator of the latest Kozerog's "serious" discussion.


Max Blumenthal (born December 18, 1977) is an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories, and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes. . . He is also a regular contributor to Russian state sponsored Sputnik and RT, and has been accused of spreading Russian propaganda.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal

[Paulie97]

More serious discussion of corruption in Ukraine:

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/ The attention seeker and kook Max Blumenthal is the editor of the Grayzone and is a long established far left, Chomsky-esque conspiracy theory peddler and pro-Kremlin regular contributor to the Russian state news sources Sputnik and RT. Just Google the guy folks. He falsely claimed that the Mariupol theater attack was committed by the Ukrainian Azov Battalion among other pro-Russian propaganda. Your source is 100% worthless. Yea Russia truly wishes that Ukraine has "lost the war," as do the many 10's of 1000's of Ruskie mothers in mourning back home.


I got my own start in life in the USA defense industry, BTW.I seriously doubt you've ever set foot in the USA, as you keep claiming you are from there trying to buttress some credibility for yourself. Save it.

Slava Ukraini.

[Paulie97]

Everything you must know about Max Blumenthal, the creator of the latest Kozerog's "serious" discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_BlumenthalHere's a hilarious tweet from Blumenthal from Feb 26th where he asserted that the Ukrainian "regular military" has been "vanquished. " Say what? Facts of course are optional with this dictator propping opportunist. Some of his antics regarding Syria are also interesting.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1497615455858659341

[Desin]

"Zelensky's move is not just a signal of desperation as his military is ground down by Russian forces in the east. It extends the virtual impunity that Ukrainian battalions infested with hardened criminals and neo-Nazis have enjoyed for over eight years as official enforcers of the post-Maidan regime's rule. ".

Not a hint of propaganda there.

"Back in February 2014, when the US-backed Euromaidan coup drove out Ukraine's democratically elected president, the new regime in Kiev faced a crisis. ".

Totally trustable.

From https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/.

[DramaFree11]

"Zelensky's move is not just a signal of desperation as his military is ground down by Russian forces in the east. It extends the virtual impunity that Ukrainian battalions infested with hardened criminals and neo-Nazis have enjoyed for over eight years as official enforcers of the post-Maidan regime's rule. ".

Not a hint of propaganda there.

"Back in February 2014, when the US-backed Euromaidan coup drove out Ukraine's democratically elected president, the new regime in Kiev faced a crisis. ".

Totally trustable.

From https://thegrayzone.acom/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/.I think both militaries are bogged down now, it will be a battle of attrition. I doubt Ukraine has any reserve units left.

I just wish one side would win or better yet find a compromise. Nobody in America cares anymore. The only people that benefitting from this war are the Arms Dealer's, Politician's and some contractors. Definitely worst case scenario.

[Paulie97]

"Zelensky's move is not just a signal of desperation as his military is ground down by Russian forces in the east. It extends the virtual impunity that Ukrainian battalions infested with hardened criminals and neo-Nazis have enjoyed for over eight years as official enforcers of the post-Maidan regime's rule. ".

Not a hint of propaganda there.

"Back in February 2014, when the US-backed Euromaidan coup drove out Ukraine's democratically elected president, the new regime in Kiev faced a crisis. ".

Totally trustable.

From https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/.Calling it trustworthy doesn't make it trustworthy. Assertions prove nothing, and especially when Russo propagandist, serial liar Max Blumenthal is under consideration. For one thing there hasn't been enough "Neo-Nazis" to win a single seat in the Ukrainian parliament. They are about 2% of the voting population while the country serves under a democratically elected (75% of the vote) Jewish, descendant of Holocaust survivors president. Graystone is a joke, as is Russian propaganda generally, as is the Russian military that already has 40 to 60 K dead in a botched attempt to steal a much smaller country and install a puppet leader. 6 months in and they keep dying in droves while gaining little ground. This while the world sanctions them to death.

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/chief-executive-leadership-institute-research-insights-business-retreats-and-sanctions

[PedroMorales]

With the CIA's car bomb murder of Dariya Dugina, their use of chemical weapons and their shelling of the nuclear plant, hopefully now Russia will take the gloves out and there will be a massive ramp up up to and not excluding nuclear first strikes. Wiping London, New York, London and Chicago off the earth would help bring the survivors to the surrender table.

[Kozerog]

Latest from Pat Buchanan, American political commentator, columnist, politician, assistant and special consultant to USA Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan:

https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2022/08/22/is-autocracy-americas-mortal-enemy/

His previous analysis also very accurate. To wit, Ukraine will never get enough US help to "win". Probably Ukrainian higher ups have figured this out and are anticipating an eventual mutiny by the Ukrainian people. So no wonder they steal everything they can while they can and put the loot safely in Swiss banks. (Russian higher ups do the same, of course.).

https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2022/06/02/us-and-ukraine-goals-in-conflict/

Is Buchanan also a serial liar?

[Desin]

I think both militaries are bogged down now, it will be a battle of attrition. I doubt Ukraine has any reserve units left.UK just started to train Ukrainian troops. If their compatriots can hold the lines for half a year and then another, maybe they will start to have some possibilities to get offensive. Russia has huge warchest, so unless the sanctions slash deep, it's hard to think why they would give up and admit defeat.


Calling it trustworthy doesn't make it trustworthy. Assertions prove nothing, and especially when Russo propagandist, serial liar Max Blumenthal is under consideration.Yup, I tried to be sarcastic. I did follow the Russian propaganda from Tass for several weeks in the start of the war and noticed the pattern they used. But this article and the tv-show about international aid not reaching it's intented destination indeed plays very well for Russia.

When the first billions were announced, I thought that a lot of people are going to get rich. Of course in EU it's all too common to use the EU funding for all kinds of projects, in the mentality that everything they get from it is a gain for the local city / town / village. But since corruption is in my understanding one of the essential criterias why Ukraine will not be able to join EU, this will of course make it even less propable. Plus the fact that there will be a shitload of guns, economical and mental problems in the country after the war. Imagine walking the K-street thinking that anybody could have a gun and have issues about "rich" foreigners coming to enjoy their young women after they themselves have lost their assets, limbs and / or mental health in the war.

I'll wait until some of you guys scout out the place first and say it's safe, without hostility to foreigners.

[Xpartan]

Latest from Pat Buchanan, American political commentator, columnist, politician, assistant and special consultant to USA Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan:

https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2022/08/22/is-autocracy-americas-mortal-enemy/

His previous analysis also very accurate. To wit, Ukraine will never get enough US help to "win". Probably Ukrainian higher ups have figured this out and are anticipating an eventual mutiny by the Ukrainian people. So no wonder they steal everything they can while they can and put the loot safely in Swiss banks. (Russian higher ups do the same, of course.).

https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2022/06/02/us-and-ukraine-goals-in-conflict/

Is Buchanan also a serial liar?No. You, on the other hand. . .

His articles are thoughtful and realistic. Yes, the world is getting tired and somewhat oblivious to Russia's unspeakable vileness and brutality. But in a war with goalposts moving every day, I'm sure Russians will manage to piss the West hard enough to move more. Perhaps in the coming days. Just a few short weeks ago, America told Zelensky not to touch Crimea, and now it's a legit target as far as we're concerned.

Leave it to the Russians to shoot themselves in the foot, the knees, the balls and all their other appendages they can aim at. Soon we'll see Ukrainians getting even more HIMARs and finally ATACMS, bombers and fighter jets. Russia started this war, but it will be ended by it.

[Paulie97]

This Viktor Yanukovych was his own worst enemy and dug his own grave living in opulent luxury in typical Russo kleptocrat fashion while shirking from an EU trade deal. The vast majority of the country was fed up with him already, but after a truce was broken and in the range of 100 protestors were shot down by government police, all bets were off. So the crook was impeached, then stole 37 billion and ran to Russia where he belongs. It's not complicated and is all rather predictable. A people begin to take an interest in democracy and this draws resistance from autocrats at home and abroad, no "CIA coup" is needed. And that's irrespective of the Noam Chomskys and social media hacks like Max Blumenthal who see the USA hiding under every Bush and as the cause of all the evil on the planet, and this while they prop up murderous dictators like Putin and Assad. It's highly biased, dishonest, self-serving, and pukeworthy among us who love freedom and democracy.

Nonetheless we tolerate it. Blumenthal is still a US citizen as far as I know as that's who we are. We tolerate stupid, false, and unpatriotic publications. Try that in Russia.

[Paulie97]

Latest from Pat Buchanan, American political commentator, columnist, politician, assistant and special consultant to USA Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan:

https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2022/08/22/is-autocracy-americas-mortal-enemy/

His previous analysis also very accurate. To wit, Ukraine will never get enough US help to "win". Probably Ukrainian higher ups have figured this out and are anticipating an eventual mutiny by the Ukrainian people. So no wonder they steal everything they can while they can and put the loot safely in Swiss banks. (Russian higher ups do the same, of course.).

https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2022/06/02/us-and-ukraine-goals-in-conflict/

Is Buchanan also a serial liar?Though an old right isolationist that is often wrong, Buchanan is way above Blumenthal in the integrity department. Congratulations on the upgrade. It's a source worth reading, and not surprisingly he says nothing about any expected coming "mutiny" in Ukraine while the powers that be currently hoard away funds abroad for an escape. Perhaps you forgot to drop the Blumenthal link for that one (Wink) or it's just another installment of your anti-American, anti-Ukrainian wishful thinking. But I'll second Xpartan's reply to you in that article is three months old and Russia keeps stepping on their dicks and pissing off the West more. And Buchanan conveniently left out the part where Zelensky early on offered to make Ukraine a neutral zone if confirmed by popular vote. But Russia has shown no genuine interest in negotiations though as the pain keeps coming this is liable to change. Ukraine knowing their intentions are willing to fight for their existence as a people. If anything the botched run on Kyiv taught us its that Russia wants it all, the Ukrainian farmlands, industries, and ports. All the other "reasons" given for the invasion were horseshit. But there's apparently a good bit of discord within the Russian armed forces while they're releasing prisoners to fight. CNN got a live interview with this guy at an undisclosed location. Good work!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/22/europe/pavel-filatyev-ukraine-russia-paratrooper-interview-intl/index.html

And the old black and white thinking error keeps popping up here as this one very likely won't wind up all or nothing. The war likely will end at the negotiating table though you get plenty of all or nothing talk from both sides at the moment. Talks of total victory go further to motivate troops than what I just stated. So Ukraine is currently strengthening their position in negotiations while the West sends the message that tyrants don't get to change borders in Europe without severe consequences. Ukraine wants to fight, asked us for weapons and the answer is yes. The USA, NATO, that's who we are and what we do and we've shed plenty of blood for what we stand for. Freedom isn't free.

That said the time has come! I'm heading south to Colombia for my vacation and political discussions are never part of these events, even with other ISG members I meet there on the ground. You all hold down the fort until I return.

P.S. Gas prices are still dropping, at least here in the USA. Isn't that lovely?

[Paulie97]

https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2022/08/22/is-autocracy-americas-mortal-enemy/Forgot to read this one. It's a classic case of Buchanan cherry picking the historical evidence along with fallacious comparisons seen through his isolationist lens. He mocks the French Revolution while ignoring the American and fruitful democracy that followed. He cherry picks quotes from the Founders, but out of context as we then were a new, weak, and vulnerable nation. Preservation was the aim as we weren't a major power. Nonetheless both Washington and Jefferson advocated foreign trade and saw a place for foreign alliances in the matter of war.

https://www.americanforeignrelations.com/E-N/Isolationism-The-myth-of-the-founders.html

Then Pat leaps to WW II complaining about Stalin while Hitler gets a total pass. This isn't surprising given his past associations with Holocaust revisionists while personally advocating some of the same.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB940785195432234780

But anyway, WW II, should we have just sat that one out Pat? Had he been involved in politics back then that's certainly the side he would have taken. US isolationism is an old scrouge that never learns.

Then he's off to Nicaragua, well yea, there were some alliances with dictators in opposition to worldwide communism. It was the lessor of two evils dilemma and the Monroe Doctrine (1923). Be sure that South Korea is very glad we didn't sit their cause out in the 50's.

But anyone who thinks there's no trouble with worldwide autocracy today wasn't paying attention with Trump's light then violent coup efforts culminating in Jan 6th and the ongoing nonsense that follows it now, both in the US and in Europe, all of course omitted from Pat's analysis. Or even in the microcosm of the same here in a hooker forum where Ukraine's quest for democracy is downplayed along with their significant progress toward reforms since 2014 and the break with Russia. This while the vile behavior and society which is Russia is either embraced or swept under the rug.

Pat can do his cherry picked, agenda driven history lessons but we are going to keep supporting democracy and sending Ukraine the desired weapons. The world is a community and we and our allies have a role to play, both in trade and defense.

Buchanan is what he is, a biased far right ideologue that latches onto what suits his preconceptions and ignores what doesn't. It's the realm where half-truths are linked together to create untruths, using history in a way to further his politics, and in a way that responsible professional historians never do. But he's still a step up from Blumenthal so I stand by my congratulations, though with less enthusiasm after now refreshing my memory. He's been off the radar for a good while.

[Paulie97]

Monroe Doctrine originated in 1823 not 1923, typo.

[Xpartan]

Monroe Doctrine originated in 1823 not 1923, typo.I didn't mean to say Russia "will be ended by this war". The Russian Empire will, without a doubt, fail spectacularly, but Russia is here to stay. Hopefully, in a smaller and less homicidal state then the Third Rome.

[PedroMorales]

More American mercenaries have met their Maker in Donbas. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/08/28/ukraine-updates-american-killed-battle-donbas/7925220001/ Shudda stayed in Memphis, Elvis.

Former see / S of the British forces now admits Ukraine is beaten and the glorious Russian Army have won. Suck it up. Or, better still, copy Memphis boy.

[John Clayton]

More American mercenaries have met their Maker in Donbas. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/08/28/ukraine-updates-american-killed-battle-donbas/7925220001/ Shudda stayed in Memphis, Elvis.

Former see / S of the British forces now admits Ukraine is beaten and the glorious Russian Army have won. Suck it up. Or, better still, copy Memphis boy.PedroMorales is a paid Russian troll.

[Kozerog]

But anyway, WW II, should we have just sat that one out Pat?Not sat it out entirely, but no reason to favor USSR versus Nazi Germany. We could have negotiated with Hitler and thus pitted a weak Germany versus a weak USSR (possibly with independent Ukraine) and thus prevented USSR dominance after WW2.

As for the blessed jews, just as many people died under Stalin and Mao, there was the Rwanda atrocity which is now mostly forgotten, the mostly forgotten Pol Pot atrocity in Cambodia, the on going Yemen catastrophe, etc, etc. But only the poor Jews seem to matter, and only the Jews get exempt from scrutiny about Nazi like concentration camps in Gaza, and about nuclear and biological weapons proliferation, and anyone who questions why the blessed jews are so special is an anti-Semite.


But anyone who thinks there's no trouble with worldwide autocracy today ... And how does bringing Russia and China together help with this? How did USA intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya make democracy flourish in those countries?

USA cannot rule the world alone because modern technology (drone subs, smart torpedoes) undermines ability of USA to project military power. Like ancient Athens, USA can only dominate via alliances, and right now we are alienating our single most important potential ally, which is Russia.

With Russia as USA ally, China is blocked on all sides. With Russia as China's ally, providing the energy and raw materials China would otherwise need to import by sea lanes, China is in a position to drive the USA out of Asia entirely, which will have massive political and economic repercussions. Very very stupid of USA to be bringing about Russia-China alliance.

Buchanan has another essay up today at that site. Similar points as what I am making.

[Xpartan]

Idiocy #1:


Not sat it out entirely, but no reason to favor USSR versus Nazi Germany. We could have negotiated with Hitler and thus pitted a weak Germany versus a weak USSR (possibly with independent Ukraine) and thus prevented USSR dominance after WW2.The Nazis was waging a war against Great Britain, our closest ally in the world. The Nazis were worse for Europe, our interests and the world peace than the USSR. Besides, it was the Nazis who declared war on America. The rest of your "geopolitics" is equally moronic garbage.

Idiocies 2-4:


As for the blessed jews, just as many people died under Stalin and Mao, there was the Rwanda atrocity which is now mostly forgotten, the mostly forgotten Pol Pot atrocity in Cambodia, the on going Yemen catastrophe, etc, etc. But only the poor Jews seem to matter, and only the Jews get exempt from scrutiny about Nazi like concentration camps in Gaza, and about nuclear and biological weapons proliferation, and anyone who questions why the blessed jews are so special is an anti-Semite.That's because the glove fits. The problem, though, is not just that you're an anti-Semite (what Kremlin bots aren't) but that you're ignorant. Neither Stalin nor Mao tried to eliminate a whole ethnic group. You're bringing up Rwanda because, like I said, you don't recycle your trash, but it came much later, and yes, we failed to protect them just like we had failed to protect the Jews (CAPITAL FUCKING "J") thanks to fucking isolationists you, Kremlin bots, love so much.

Idiocy 5:


And how does bringing Russia and China together help with this? How did USA intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya make democracy flourish in those countries?Russia and China are not together and never will be. First, the Chinese historically hate Russians (and vice versa BTW), second, they are way too practical to lose our markets, and third, they're not morons to bet on a obvious loser.

Idiocy 6:


USA cannot rule the world alone because modern technology (drone subs, smart torpedoes) undermines ability of USA to project military power. Like ancient Athens, USA can only dominate via alliances, and right now we are alienating our single most important potential ally, which is Russia.Huh? When has Russia been our ally? What in the holy name of fuck are you smoking or licking aside from Vlad's ass?

Idiocy 7:


With Russia as USA ally, China is blocked on all sides. With Russia as China's ally, providing the energy and raw materials China would otherwise need to import by sea lanes, China is in a position to drive the USA out of Asia entirely, which will have massive political and economic repercussions. Very very stupid of USA to be bringing about Russia-China alliance.OK, this is simply an Olgino-concocted geopolitical word salad. Screw that.

Slava Ukraine!

[Paulie97]

Idiocy #1:

The Nazis was waging a war against Great Britain, our closest ally in the world. The Nazis were worse for Europe, our interests and the world peace than the USSR. Besides, it was the Nazis who declared war on America. The rest of your "geopolitics" is equally moronic garbage.

Idiocies 2-4:

That's because the glove fits. The problem, though, is not just that you're an anti-Semite (what Kremlin bots aren't) but that you're ignorant. Neither Stalin nor Mao tried to eliminate a whole ethnic group. You're bringing up Rwanda because, like I said, you don't recycle your trash, but it came much later, and yes, we failed to protect them just like we had failed to protect the Jews (CAPITAL FUCKING "J") thanks to fucking isolationists you, Kremlin bots, love so much.Good answers. For one thing you can't negotiate with committed old school Fascists like Hitler and Mussolini. In their minds the state is pre-eminent and war and conquest are it's highest expression. They are in a constant state of the same as it's so dictated by their ideology. And therein lies the problem with listening to guys like Pat Buchanan, IE. "Hitler didn't want to take over the world! He didn't want to kill all Jews!" But Pat is a journalist, not a historian. History is only used, cherry picked to prop up his political preconceptions. He also obviously never read Mein Kampf.

But yea in these discussions many want to globe trot putting the USA on trial, which of course is a dodge, "appeal to hypocrisy" or the tu-quoque fallacy.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

If we were the worst nation on the earth that doesn't get Russia off the hook in their treatment of Ukraine. But yes we have supported dictators in Latin-America in opposition to worldwide communism, or undemocratic regimes in the Middle East to favor the interests of allies and ours in the matter of energy resources. So what? That's called practicality and diplomacy and still leaves us free to oppose growing Fascist and authoritarian sentiments and actions on our soil and in Europe.

You are also correct in that China is no real ally of Russia. The former will never treat the latter, with their economy about the size of Texas, as an equal. Lip service is all that Russia is getting. Push come to shove China will buddy up to the West as such is in their economic interests.

And Kozerog, we get your anti-Americanism loud and clear, but you are going to be waiting a very long time to see our demise, and doubtfully will even live that long. And certainly aren't going to see it in this Russian invasion of Ukraine debacle / mega-embarrassment. Nonetheless keep waving those pom poms. Lolol.

Slava Ukraini.

[Paulie97]

Idiocy #1:

The Nazis was waging a war against Great Britain, our closest ally in the world... Besides, it was the Nazis who declared war on America. Ironic indeed that someone that claims to want to have a "serious discussion" could overlook such details. He lacks the very basics learned in Middle School. Yea right, let's "negotiate" with Germany while they annex France, carpet bomb Britain, and declare war on the US. Too bad Neville Chamberlain never met Kerzog. He'd have had it all ironed out in a hurry. Wink.

[Paulie97]

How did USA intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya make democracy flourish in those countries?The greater Middle East and Eastern Europe are two different worlds. Our primary aims in the former were to combat terrorism, and we hear much less out of Isis and al Qaeda nowadays. What about Poland? Slovakia? The Czech Republic? Latvia? Estonia? To name a few. And Ukraine? That now has a freedom of 61 as opposed to Russia's 19.

https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores

https://fallacyinlogic.com/false-analogy-definition-and-examples/

Yes we support democracy in Europe, and especially our allies. We are also glad to assist Ukraine with intelligence and weapons.

[Golfinho]

Idiocy #1:

The Nazis was waging a war against Great Britain, our closest ally in the world. The Nazis were worse for Europe, our interests and the world peace than the USSR. Just to address one of your unending idiocies: Great Britain was hardly the USA's closest ally in the world. Roosevelt was determined to break the British Empire's economic hegemony. It was a major postwar aim of his policy. And in fact it came to pass as a consequence of the War, where now Britain is the USA's poodle, a satellite that thinks it's a sovereign ally.

[Paulie97]

Here's the freedom scores of the Central and Eastern Euro countries mentioned, and there are several others:

Poland (81), Czech Republic (91), Slovakia (90), Estonia (94), Latvia (88) & Ukraine (61). And this is in part due to a number of countries including the US that have supported democracy and freedom on the European continent. But don't expect to find any of this information in Pat Buchanan's columns or on Max Blumenthal's pro-Kremlin blogs, as they have agendas. Pitching agendas is never "serious discussion. " Heck Max told us on 2/26 that the Ukrainian army was "vanquished. " Lolol Check my post history for the twitter link.

https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores

[Elvis 2008]

Apparently, the USA and UK prevented Russia and Ukraine from a truce. This was no surprise to me at all and expected.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-allies-led-uks-johnson-sabotaged-tentative-ukraine-russia-peace-deal

Europe is going to be praying for global warming this winter. Electricity costs have skyrocketed.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/how-name-god-shocked-europeans-post-astronomical-energy-bills-terrifying-winter-approaches

One such owner is Geraldine Dolan, who owns the Poppyfields cafe in Athlone, Ireland. And was charged nearly 10,000 (US $10,021) for just over two months of energy usage.

My mum owns a small caf in Leicester. Her electricity bill has just jumped from 10 k ($12 k) a year to 55 k ($64 k) a year. She is working out her options but more than likely she will be forced to close.

And just to show you what genius these politicians are, Russia has shut down the natural gas pipeline supplying natural gas to Europe and instead of getting paid for it is choosing to burn it. That is about $10 million worth of gas a day it is pissing away.

https://mishtalk.com/economics/major-stress-test-in-europe-as-russia-shuts-down-the-natural-gas-pipeline

I remember one time in Driver's Education the instructor said after looking at some gruesome accidents, "Does it really matter whose fault it is in the end?

You look at this mess and how fucking stupid it is and the complete fucking waste of money and lives and have to ask, does it really matter whose fault is this? I cannot believe anybody is for something as fucking stupid as this war.

[PedroMorales]

Churchill's fight them on the beaches speech.


Just to address one of your unending idiocies: Great Britain was hardly the USA's closest ally in the world. Roosevelt was determined to break the British Empire's economic hegemony. It was a major postwar aim of his policy. And in fact it came to pass as a consequence of the War, where now Britain is the USA's poodle, a satellite that thinks it's a sovereign ally.Churchill's famous speech ends thus: we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

Churchill had, of course, been paid for his art in the 1930's and was given a dodgy Nobel Lit prize afterwards. But he was prepared to see his "island nation" destroyed so that the New World, as this alcoholic calls it, would prevail. The EU leaders, like Gorbachev selling his pizzas, are doing the same.

The Americans, flotsam of the world that they are, also engineered the collapse of French Indo China and grabbed a ton of Pacific Islands. I really hope Europe collapses this winter so that the Europeans might turn, like rabid dogs, on those American cross breeds who are responsible.

[Xpartan]

Just to address one of your unending idiocies: Great Britain was hardly the USA's closest ally in the world. Roosevelt was determined to break the British Empire's economic hegemony. It was a major postwar aim of his policy. Aha. I'm sure it would've been if Roosevelt survived the war. But, hey, don't let little things like a dead president interfere with your mission.

[PedroMorales]

Just to address one of your unending idiocies: Great Britain was hardly the USA's closest ally in the world. Roosevelt was determined to break the British Empire's economic hegemony. It was a major postwar aim of his policy. And in fact it came to pass as a consequence of the War, where now Britain is the USA's poodle, a satellite that thinks it's a sovereign ally.You could also have mentioned the USA's efforts to destroy French Indo China, having first enslaved the peoples of Guam and Saipan, thousands of whom suicided to stop the USMC gang raping them. Americans belong in zoos, somewhere between the crocodile and snake pens.

[Kozerog]

Article on Gorbachev, including all the things he said that aren't reported in the western press, because they too closely echo Putin's complants:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/09/ignoring-gorbachevs-warnings/

[Kozerog]

And Kozerog, we get your anti-Americanism loud and clear, but you are going to be waiting a very long time to see our demise, and doubtfully will even live that long. And certainly aren't going to see it in this Russian invasion of Ukraine debacle / mega-embarrassment. Nonetheless keep waving those pom poms. Lolol.

Slava Ukraini.You have bad reading skills (stupid, in other words) if you think I'm anti-American. Most of my wealth is connected with the USA, I'm a USA passport holder, last thing I want is demise of the USA. Though demise is extremely unlikely, because USA is an impregnable fortress. But it could be pushed back into that fortress. That is, pushed out of Asia, thanks to fools like yourself. Regardless of what the Russians and Chinese think of one another, they are moving full speed ahead at strengthening ties. Truly incredible that USA has managed to bring about the one thing (alliance of those nuclear powers, plus all of central Asia, Iran and North Korea) that could actually threaten USA world power. Seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.

Parallels with ancient Athens are clear. Arrogant refusal to acknowledge desire for power by other states (demand for Corinth, etc to be subordinates rather than equal partners), reckless foreign wars (Syracuse expedition), demagogic politicians and their foolish supporters (like Paulie97 and other fools in this forum). Unlike ancient Athens, USA is an impregnable fortress, as already noted, so it can't be conquered. But it can be toppled from its current exalted position, and that's exactly the direction it is heading.

As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.

[PedroMorales]

As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.Things are going swimmingly for the USA terror state as Western Europe is imploding, which was the point of the entire exercise. Plus it is now infested with unwanted Ukrainians. There is going to be a very violent reaction. I feel law and order will break down and lots of foreigners will become fair game. Though I am fine, I can see the pressure building and the clashes of objectives over resources, the main one being all the handouts being given to Ukrainian and other parasites, both foreign like them and domestic as well.

Once the EU stops printing money, the game is up. Fasten your seatbelts for a bumpy ride or some such. Let's hope and pray the gloves come off. Nobody wants this but nobody can avoid it.

[Golfinho]

Truly incredible that USA has managed to bring about the one thing (alliance of those nuclear powers, plus all of central Asia, Iran and North Korea) that could actually threaten USA world power.
As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.Not ruined so much as bought and sold. The news has gotten out how Cargill, DuPont, Monsanto and the rest of them have acquired huge holdings of Ukraine's black soil farmland, amongst the world's most fertile, the very land recently having come under Russian control. Ukraine must counterattack to secure the US chemical agro industry's property rights.

[Questner]

Article on Gorbachev, including all the things he said that aren't reported in the western press, because they too closely echo Putin's complants:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/09/ignoring-gorbachevs-warnings/Here is a 2014 interview: BBC HARDtalk. Mikhail Gorbachev. President of the Soviet Union 1990-1991 (10/11/14).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHL9lNxKQbg

Here is what we face: Senator Richard H. Black. The US and NATO don't care how many Ukrainians die -.

Russia Ukraine War: "We don't care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We do not care. It's become a great football game. You know, we've got our team. They've got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score and run it up. And, you know, we don't care how many how many of our players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win. ".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXOWZnRCc20

[DramaFree11]

Here is a 2014 interview: BBC HARDtalk. Mikhail Gorbachev. President of the Soviet Union 1990-1991 (10/11/14).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHL9lNxKQbg

Here is what we face: Senator Richard H. Black. The US and NATO don't care how many Ukrainians die -.

Russia Ukraine War: "We don't care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We do not care. It's become a great football game. You know, we've got our team. They've got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score and run it up. And, you know, we don't care how many how many of our players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win. ".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXOWZnRCc20Exactly, either way Ukraine loses. They are being played.

[Paulie97]

You have bad reading skills (stupid, in other words) if you think I'm anti-American. Most of my wealth is connected with the USA, I'm a USA passport holder, last thing I want is demise of the USA. Though demise is extremely unlikely, because USA is an impregnable fortress. But it could be pushed back into that fortress. That is, pushed out of Asia, thanks to fools like yourself. Regardless of what the Russians and Chinese think of one another, they are moving full speed ahead at strengthening ties. Truly incredible that USA has managed to bring about the one thing (alliance of those nuclear powers, plus all of central Asia, Iran and North Korea) that could actually threaten USA world power. Seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.

Parallels with ancient Athens are clear. Arrogant refusal to acknowledge desire for power by other states (demand for Corinth, etc to be subordinates rather than equal partners), reckless foreign wars (Syracuse expedition), demagogic politicians and their foolish supporters (like Paulie97 and other fools in this forum). Unlike ancient Athens, USA is an impregnable fortress, as already noted, so it can't be conquered. But it can be toppled from its current exalted position, and that's exactly the direction it is heading. First of all I couldn't care less about your angry prognostications. Stop reading all the anti-American propaganda you constantly plant your nose in, and viola, anger goes away. If nothing else it will support your cardiac health. You likely agreed with your guy Max Blumenthal when he said on 2/26 that the Ukrainian army was "vanquished. " LOL.

There's an old truism, in that "the strongest points in a debate are not found in the ones that are addressed, but in the ones that are ignored. " You were rebutted repeatedly on many fronts by both myself and Xpartan recently, and it's all been ignored other than to restate your premise regarding China, blame the US for Ukraine, and to once again claim to be an American. I invite the readers to scroll back and view all the rebuttals directed at you that were completely ignored.

As to any wealth, all mongers are "wealthy. " Just ask them. LOL Your typical wealthy person is smart enough to forgo using Max Blumenthal, a regular on Russian state news, as a source to buttress what you want to prove. And wealthy people also aren't looking for bargains on pussy in countries that are down on their luck. You keep trying to impress but are anything but impressive.

As to China, any "alignment" with Russia is show. That's what I meant by "lip service. " China will never in a million years treat Russia, a country with an economy about the size of the state of Texas, as an equal. China is about the money, and push come to shove relations with us will trump any sentiments toward Russia. And once again, nukes are very unlikely to be used as anyone sending them to the West is getting them back in spades. Russia will not use them in Ukraine as that would mean losing the few countries they have left that pay any attention to them. The war likely will end in negotiations once Russia is put in more of a negotiating mood. They have suffered plenty and more is to come. So your analysis is as usual all over the place, while extremely repetitive as you refuse to interact with the points others are making in response.


As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.This has been rebutted at least 100 times, by myself and many others. I'm not doing it all over again because you choose to make this false assertion again. Assertions prove nothing, "saying it's so doesn't make it so. ".

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion

The sum of it is that Ukraine like much of Eastern Europe takes an interest in democracy. Russia is trying to rebuild empire. Ukraine doesn't want to be conquered even if you think that's what's best for them, so we are responding to their requests for weapons. You are biased and agenda driven when you make it all about the US. Eastern Europe enjoys democracy and they have agency in these matters. That includes Ukraine and their agency in fighting back against Russia's genocidal, criminal invasion. This ALL of course has already been hammered out and presented in detail, by myself, Xpartan, Jmsuttr, and others. We also, unlike you, have provided a number of legit, well sourced academic articles. Anyone interested can scroll back in the thread and read.

All that said I'm not seeing any new ground covered here so I'm finished going in circles with you, Pedro, Elvis, or any other Russophile spinning a one sided tale here. I'm the only one left to any degree, I think, so you and those like minded as yourself are free to validate one another and talk about how right you are. LOL Cheers.

[PedroMorales]

Not ruined so much as bought and sold. The news has gotten out how Cargill, DuPont, Monsanto and the rest of them have acquired huge holdings of Ukraine's black soil farmland, amongst the world's most fertile, the very land recently having come under Russian control. Ukraine must counterattack to secure the US chemical agro industry's property rights.The news has gotten out to you and to people like you. Most people only care about bread and circuses. NBA, baseball, ice hockey, football etc. Women only care about boob and lip jobs.

[Golfinho]

The news has gotten out to you and to people like you. Most people only care about bread and circuses. NBA, baseball, ice hockey, football etc. Women only care about boob and lip jobs.As shares in these agro companies are assuredly held by Blackrock et. Al. , most American people (if they have any assets) are invested in 'Ukraine's Victory', whether they realize it or not.

[Xpartan]

You have bad reading skills (stupid, in other words) if you think I'm anti-American. Most of my wealth is connected with the USA, I'm a USA passport holder. . .Huh? Being a passport holder would mean you're an American citizen. Why wouldn't you just say that?

Do you hate America so much that you can't even say it aloud: "I'm an American citizen"?

Or are you simply lying again?


Here is a 2014 interview: BBC HARDtalk. Mikhail Gorbachev. President of the Soviet Union 1990-1991 (10/11/14).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHL9lNxKQbg

Here is what we face: Senator Richard H. Black. The US and NATO don't care how many Ukrainians die -.

Russia Ukraine War: "We don't care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We do not care. It's become a great football game. You know, we've got our team. They've got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score and run it up. And, you know, we don't care how many how many of our players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win. ".Ah, Col. Black again.

First of all, he is (was) a State Senator of Virginia.

Second of all, if you can't find a quote from someone who's not the most infamous apologist of Syrian butcher Bashar Assad and Russian butcher Vladimir Putin -- please go away with your ignorant trolling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Black_(politician).

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/dick-black-assad-the-gop-official-at-the-heart-of-one-of-trumps-favorite-conspiracies-announces-retirement-d3b415ddc642


China is about the money, and push come to shove relations with us will trump any sentiments toward Russia.Oh yes, 100%! The Chinese are just using Russia like an icebreaker to test the West's resolve. Not even mentioning they have no sentiments toward Russia. They haven't forgotten how in 19th century Count Muravyev annexed 1 million square kilometers of Chinese territory under false pretenses. That dude, by the way is still considered a hero in Russia, and why wouldn't he be?

[Xpartan]

In just a few days, AFU have de-occupied dozens of settlements and liberated over 1,500 square miles in Kharkov Oblast and Donbass during their incredible counterattack. Two crucial transportation and military hubs Izum and Kupyansk have also fallen to AFU who're now closing in on Lisichansk and Severodonetsk. Some accounts claim AFU have entered the Donetsk Airport that was a scene of bloody battles in 2014.

The glorious Russian armed forces of rapists and marauders are "regrouping" ROFL.

Hey shills, here goes your meal ticket.

[The Cane]

What does "Petulant Immorales" have to say now?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62860774.amp

[Questner]

What does "Petulant Immorales" have to say now?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62860774.ampThings are more complicated that cornholes of your brancas. We are the same nation in the times of a civil war. We will overcome. As they say often here 'it's not your girl, it's only your turn'. In the same fashion in due time every nation that did harm to us is going to join the list of all others that failed in the past. Somehow you may think that this evil done to us is risk free, and under no circumstances it will come unto you. Well, there just may be no time to ask then 'Why us? Why now? What have we done to deserve it?' Personally I'm worried. I'm not privy to the plans. I misunderstand what is going on. But we've got actually a dove at the helm, and you should really pray hard the hardliners won't take over. Now, it won't cost much to have simple human decency and respect to everyone affected by this disastrous conflict. Don't think our blood is somehow thinner than yours, and our daily bread rationing should be lower than others of the Allies.

[PedroMorales]

https://www.intermagazin.rs/ruski-analiticar-namamili-smo-ukre-da-izadju-iz-utvrdjenja-da-napadnu-sad-su-nam-na-dlanu-obracun-moze-da-pocne/?fbclid=IwAR2JNP4rV3WmH12iViCdi3LeUbK_GwhAX5azUSdIeCy0BJ272QYXlv3p8YY

The above report confirms the Ukrainians are fked. As that they have "recaptured" has no natural line of defence. It is a strange war as US and Russian satellites see all. The American plan is to wear the Russians down by fighting to the last Ukrainian. Let's hope they are successful and Russia can then swat the Baltics.

A favour: As Americans are morons, can you refrain from posting on matters like this where you are totally ignorant? I would ask you to post on which toilet rolls give most value for money in these hard time but I doubt most of you are potty trained or even wash your hands after soiling your panties.

[PedroMorales]

In revenge attacks for American war crimes against Hanoi, Baghdad and Belgrade, the Ukrainian aggressors are being pulverised with X22 missiles fired from Russia long range Tupolev TU-23 M3's. The Ukrainian Nazi vermin and any foreigners with them have no way of avoiding death from above. Time now for Russia to go on the offensive and finish off the filth.

[John Clayton]

In revenge attacks for American war crimes against Hanoi, Baghdad and Belgrade, the Ukrainian aggressors are being pulverised with X22 missiles fired from Russia long range Tupolev TU-23 M3's. The Ukrainian Nazi vermin and any foreigners with them have no way of avoiding death from above. Time now for Russia to go on the offensive and finish off the filth.I worry about you as a human being, not simply a Russian shill. Pumping out disinformation and Russian propaganda is obviously your "work"; however, it must be really dispiriting. Do you fall asleep easily at night thinking, "Well, I really accomplished something today"? Or do you have to drink yourself into oblivion? Do you ever review your life and your "work"? Personally, I would find it difficult and soul crushing to do what you do. Do you work from a script, or do you receive talking points every day from your bosses? (I suppose there would be a certain amount of creativity if you were completely free to innovate.).

Also, I'm sure it would be of great interest to all of us to know how much you are paid. If you're paid in roubles, how do you effectively convert that to useful currency?

[Cons68]

On one hand it is fascinating to read all that crap, on the other I guess you may feel as you describe.

Have you noticed how these guys tend to be South Americans? Probably cheaper.


I worry about you as a human being, not simply a Russian shill. Pumping out disinformation and Russian propaganda is obviously your "work"; however, it must be really dispiriting. Do you fall asleep easily at night thinking, "Well, I really accomplished something today"? Or do you have to drink yourself into oblivion? Do you ever review your life and your "work"? Personally, I would find it difficult and soul crushing to do what you do. Do you work from a script, or do you receive talking points every day from your bosses? (I suppose there would be a certain amount of creativity if you were completely free to innovate.).

Also, I'm sure it would be of great interest to all of us to know how much you are paid. If you're paid in roubles, how do you effectively convert that to useful currency?

[Xpartan]

Things are more complicated that cornholes of your brancas. We are the same nation in the times of a civil war. We will overcome. As they say often here 'it's not your girl, it's only your turn'. In the same fashion in due time every nation that did harm to us is going to join the list of all others that failed in the past. Somehow you may think that this evil done to us is risk free, and under no circumstances it will come unto you. Well, there just may be no time to ask then 'Why us? Why now? What have we done to deserve it?' Personally I'm worried. I'm not privy to the plans. I misunderstand what is going on. But we've got actually a dove at the helm, and you should really pray hard the hardliners won't take over. Now, it won't cost much to have simple human decency and respect to everyone affected by this disastrous conflict. Don't think our blood is somehow thinner than yours, and our daily bread rationing should be lower than others of the Allies.Ukrainians have told you times and again: they're not your brothers. And there is no point of return after you committed every war crime under the sun and after what you did to the Russian cities of Kharkov and Mariupol.

You're not the same nation and never will be.

Snap out of it. Ukraine has already won. All you've achieved is a strong NATO ally on your borders with the most powerful army in Europe who hates your guts.

[Golfinho]

I worry about you as a human being, not simply a Russian shill. Pumping out disinformation and Russian propaganda is obviously your "work"; however, it must be really dispiriting. Do you fall asleep easily at night thinking, "Well, I really accomplished something today"? Or do you have to drink yourself into oblivion? Do you ever review your life and your "work"? Personally, I would find it difficult and soul crushing to do what you do. Do you work from a script, or do you receive talking points every day from your bosses? (I suppose there would be a certain amount of creativity if you were completely free to innovate.).

Also, I'm sure it would be of great interest to all of us to know how much you are paid. If you're paid in roubles, how do you effectively convert that to useful currency?More blind eyes off the hasbara trolls and their pilpul. You've found something real to worry about! Well done.

[PedroMorales]

A further 10,000 Chechens are on their way to the front. The Russians' Dam Busters squad has shown the Ukrainian Nazis can expect to have American rules visited upon them: water, sewage etc are all now legitimate targets as they were in Iraq and are in Gaza. Given the amount of Americans and British in Zelensky's latest provocation, no Geneva Convention or any other rules now apply to Western assets working for or with the Nazis.

With winter coming in Western Europe, major Russia attacks will break America's satrapies. Onwards to Odessa and Transnistria.

[John Clayton]

A further 10,000 Chechens are on their way to the front. The Russians' Dam Busters squad has shown the Ukrainian Nazis can expect to have American rules visited upon them: water, sewage etc are all now legitimate targets as they were in Iraq and are in Gaza. Given the amount of Americans and British in Zelensky's latest provocation, no Geneva Convention or any other rules now apply to Western assets working for or with the Nazis.

With winter coming in Western Europe, major Russia attacks will break America's satrapies. Onwards to Odessa and Transnistria.There's been radio silence on this thread from this guy for the last week or so -- I imagine the success of the recent Ukrainian counterattack frustrated even the most dedicated Russian paid propagandists. (However, during his brief hiatus, I saw he did comment on another thread about American strippers being fat and ugly -- for the first time I agreed with him!) I sympathize with him slightly as it must be incredibly difficult mentally to pump out propaganda on a daily basis, even if you are handsomely paid for it. Although it's difficult to feel much empathy for him, imagine the internal stress he must be subject to from having to perform this "work" every day. Probably drinks himself into a stupor every night.

[RubMeister100]

A further 10,000 Chechens are on their way to the front. .Why does your invincibly stronk Russian Army need to hire Chechens to do their fighting?

Not enough machine gunners at the Russian border to keep Orcs from running home to their mommies?

[Xpartan]

There's been radio silence on this thread from this guy for the last week or so -- I imagine the success of the recent Ukrainian counterattack frustrated even the most dedicated Russian paid propagandists . . . Although it's difficult to feel much empathy for him, imagine the internal stress he must be subject to from having to perform this "work" every day. Probably drinks himself into a stupor every night.His silence coincided with the silence of Putin's Defense Ministry, which has finally called this monumental defeat a planned "regrouping" LOL. Now that the new instructions have been issued, I'm sure Merdo will look lively again.

[RubMeister100]

In revenge attacks for American war crimes against Hanoi, Baghdad and Belgrade, the Ukrainian aggressors are being pulverised with X22 missiles fired from Russia long range Tupolev TU-23 M3's. The Ukrainian Nazi vermin and any foreigners with them have no way of avoiding death from above. Time now for Russia to go on the offensive and finish off the filth.Yawn. "pulverized". "death from above".

If only you orcs could fight as enthusiastically as you blabber from behind your computer screen.

Or your country could build anything better than the Lada equivalent. FFS, Russia even bases their 2022 models on the 1965 FIAT 124 design they copied from FIAT. FIATS also being well known as unreliable, shitbox cars.

Russia and Russians are the laughing stock of the world now! Thanks for doing your part Komrade!

[Xpartan]

I'm sure the AFU will give the Glorious Russian Army of rapists and marauders even more opportunities to keep "regrouping" in the near future. In the meantime:

- 8,500 sq. Km and 388 administrative units liberated (including major Russian military hubs of Izum, Vovchansk and Kupiansk).

- thousands of Russian troops KIA or wounded.

- hundreds taken POW (at least).

- 400 pieces of heavy Russian equipment captured (at least) including tanks, APCs, MLRS, artillery vehicles and planes; half of them in good working condition.

All these gains have been achieved in about 10 days in Kharkiv Oblast. There are more gains in the Kherson operation even if they've been more modest.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/counteroffensive-kharkiv-oblast-danilov-names-211200861.html

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-oryx-tanks-planes-military-vehicles-capture-counteroffensive-1743216

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/09/09/the-ukrainian-army-is-surrounding-10000-russian-troops-in-the-east

All I can say, I'm loving Russian "regroupings". Keep up the good job!

Slava Ukraine!

[PedroMorales]

Listen racist, the T34 hammered Hitler's super weapons, including the Tiger. Ukraine is a NATO army, run by NATO officers. It will perish, as will all the British and American mercenaries boasting on camera about their puny offensive. You want to be NATO? Fine. Your dams, your water works, your sewage are all now legitimate targets, as will be your political front men.

Now you go back to rubbing yourself, doggie.

The only good American.


Yawn. "pulverized". "death from above".

If only you orcs could fight as enthusiastically as you blabber from behind your computer screen.

Or your country could build anything better than the Lada equivalent. FFS, Russia even bases their 2022 models on the 1965 FIAT 124 design they copied from FIAT. FIATS also being well known as unreliable, shitbox cars.

Russia and Russians are the laughing stock of the world now! Thanks for doing your part Komrade!

[Reiner Otto]

Listen racist, the T34 hammered Hitler's super weapons, including the Tiger. Yes, when ten T34 were approaching one Tiger.

Look at the first rockets in USA and UDSSR. Copycats of the V2, German design, from German engineers. Who also built the turboprops for the TU-95.

The problem of / in Russian engineering is, Russians are top in theoretical disciplines, even better than USA. But lack of practical implementation.

Wernher von Braun originally coopt with a few Russians. But then W. V. be. Built the V2.

Having lived and worked for many years both in RF and in UA, I learned, that furtunately the common people there are different from Putler.

Obviously, you are an exception.

Slava Ukraine.

[VinDici]

These gains and the progressions of the Ukrainians is a pleasure to watch. I enjoy cheering on each and every small victory, including marveling at the overview when we look at the new status maps and all the equipment / ammo they captured.

Slava Ukraini!

[DramaFree11]

These gains and the progressions of the Ukrainians is a pleasure to watch. I enjoy cheering on each and every small victory, including marveling at the overview when we look at the new status maps and all the equipment / ammo they captured.

Slava Ukraini!Yes, Ukraine Military is doing an amazing job, with a lot of help, probably way more then we will ever know. We will see what happens, but there is a good chance Ukraine wins the war, but still looses. Hopefully Putin does not Nuke them, if he gets desperate he is capable of anything.

Theses are just a few major issues they will have to figure out: The country infrastructure will be destroyed. They will still have to deal with Russia for energy. Countless deaths, of young males. Many injured, not mention PTSD. The ramifications of the best and brightest fleeing Ukraine for a better life, and this will only be exasperated by the war. The countless number of people that lost everything as a result of the war and have left to Europe. Ukraine has one of the lowest Birthrates in the world. We will see what happens.

[PedroMorales]

The Nazis in Bahmut have no hope, bar suicide. Nazi offensives have stalled. Back to terrorism and social media. Hope vou apologists have stocked up on your baby oil and tissues. I reckon 100,000 more dead Ukrainian soldiers by the end of the year. Well done Hunter Biden. A true American.

[VinDici]

The Nazis in Bahmut have no hope, bar suicide. Nazi offensives have stalled. Back to terrorism and social media. Hope vou apologists have stocked up on your baby oil and tissues. I reckon 100,000 more dead Ukrainian soldiers by the end of the year.What a clown.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-16

The Bakhmut assault has been repelled.

The terrorism comes from Russia with their attacks on civilians, torture and mass graves in the wake of their retreats.

Will you place money on that between today and 31st December 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers will die? I'll take that bet.

[PedroMorales]

Keep your Hitlerite propaganda to yourself. The mass execution hoax has already been disproved by those paying attention, which excludes Americans, Darwin's missing link. You serve no purpose in giving American links as Americans are murderers, thieves, torturers and liars. The Ingulets River is flooded, so more Ukrainians rat trapped and on their way to the great Reich in the Sky. Some photos of more dead American "volunteers" doing the social media rounds. 500 Ukrainians fried crispy in Seversk.

Our prayers are with Ukraine, facing extermination again because of American treachery. We know what you vermin are doing from the Baltic micro states all the way to Syria and Africa. The only good American.


What a clown.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-16

The Bakhmut assault has been repelled.

The terrorism comes from Russia with their attacks on civilians, torture and mass graves in the wake of their retreats.

Will you place money on that between today and 31st December 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers will die? I'll take that bet.

[Xpartan]

Chechen fighters are a well-known and feared brand in Russia. They defeated the Russian Army in the First Chechen War and (a funny story, actually) still managed to impose their will on Kremlin even after "losing" the Second War. No other Federal District in Russia has the budget and privileges Chechnya does. Their operatives can freely roam across Russia and kidnap or kill whoever they want. They recently kidnapped a wife of a federal judge, having forced her family to flee Russia.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-chechnya-judge-flees-wife-abducted/31668999.html

But Ukrainians, unlike Russians, don't give two fucks about feared Chechen fighters. Back in February, the AFU exterminated over 200 elite Chechen special forces sent by Kadyrov to assassinate Zelensky in Kyev. Since then Kadyrov doesn't let Russian generals use his boys for actual fighting. They display their skills on TickTock by fighting trees, traffic lights and empty buildings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAjobwvchRg

That doesn't mean that Chechens don't kill. They do -- mostly Ukrainian civilians and Russian soldiers who're either trying to flee the combat, or seriously wounded and need consistent care. Killing Russians is a favorite Chechens' pastime. Fighting AFU -- not so much.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/chechen-fighters-executed-3-russian-troops-who-rebelled-against-ukraine-war-official-says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi_SQGqnanM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10772043/Brutal-sect-Chechens-executed-Russian-troops-Ukraine-claim-witnesses.html

[Tumeric1]

Keep your Hitlerite propaganda to yourself. The mass execution hoax has already been disproved by those paying attention, which excludes Americans, Darwin's missing link. You serve no purpose in giving American links as Americans are murderers, thieves, torturers and liars. The Ingulets River is flooded, so more Ukrainians rat trapped and on their way to the great Reich in the Sky. Some photos of more dead American "volunteers" doing the social media rounds. 500 Ukrainians fried crispy in Seversk.

Our prayers are with Ukraine, facing extermination again because of American treachery. We know what you vermin are doing from the Baltic micro states all the way to Syria and Africa. The only good American.Check out the image for helpful recommendation.

[VinDici]

Keep your Hitlerite propaganda to yourself. The mass execution hoax has already been disproved by those paying attention, which excludes Americans, Darwin's missing link. You serve no purpose in giving American links as Americans are murderers, thieves, torturers and liars. The Ingulets River is flooded, so more Ukrainians rat trapped and on their way to the great Reich in the Sky. Some photos of more dead American "volunteers" doing the social media rounds. 500 Ukrainians fried crispy in Seversk.

Our prayers are with Ukraine, facing extermination again because of American treachery. We know what you vermin are doing from the Baltic micro states all the way to Syria and Africa. The only good American.Godwins law again.

Mass execution isn't a hoax, there are actual people who are dead.

I notice you didn't take me up on the bet, perhaps your Kremlin wages aren't enough to cover for your mouth?

Reality a little hard for you at the moment?

[PedroMorales]

Kiev's Hitlerites bombed Olenivka POW camp again, murdering scores of their own POWs, who were being held as POWs by Russia and her gallant allies.

Your mass execution has already been disproved. Over 10,000 Ukrainians dead because of their stupid, failed offensive.

As regards Godwin's law, you haver probably missed the Nazi insignia the Kiev Hitlerites are now openly displayiing. Yo have obviously missed all the banning of Russian language, strapping kids to lampposts, marches honouring Nazi Bandera etc.

You are American, ie you are a moron and a troll.

The only dealings I would want with you is bringing kids to look at you as a zoo exhibit.


Godwins law again.

Mass execution isn't a hoax, there are actual people who are dead.

I notice you didn't take me up on the bet, perhaps your Kremlin wages aren't enough to cover for your mouth?

Reality a little hard for you at the moment?

[VinDici]

Your mass execution has already been disproved.

The only dealings I would want with you is bringing kids to look at you as a zoo exhibit.They have not, and more and more evidence is being presented each day. It's not MY mass execution, it's a war crime committed by the Russian Army.

Dealings? I see you're all mouth and no trousers.

Looks like the "De-Nazification" includes destroying monuments from the 9th Century.

[Golfinho]

How can 150 million Russians be allowed to continue to control all those natural resources they're sitting on? It just isn't fair to American financiers, err to the rest of the worlds' peoples. Since those greedy Russians refuse to come to their senses and give, err share the wealth, then by any means necessary to liberate and bring freedom and democracy to those oil, natural gas, and rare earth minerals is simple justice. The original nazis have shown the way; the USA has only to pick up their torch and finish the job.

[DramaFree11]

How can 150 million Russians be allowed to continue to control all those natural resources they're sitting on? It just isn't fair to American financiers, err to the rest of the worlds' peoples. Since those greedy Russians refuse to come to their senses and give, err share the wealth, then by any means necessary to liberate and bring freedom and democracy to those oil, natural gas, and rare earth minerals is simple justice. The original nazis have shown the way; the USA has only to pick up their torch and finish the job.America has lots of Oil, but the Democratic's do not want to drill. They are also putting crazy restrictions and regulating the hell on oil companies. Crazy we are at war with Russia and not producing oil to are full capacity, not even close. It makes no sense, as usual we are fighting a war half ass.

[VinDici]

How can 150 million Russians be allowed to continue to control all those natural resources they're sitting on? It just isn't fair to American financiers, err to the rest of the worlds' peoples. Since those greedy Russians refuse to come to their senses and give, err share the wealth, then by any means necessary to liberate and bring freedom and democracy to those oil, natural gas, and rare earth minerals is simple justice. The original nazis have shown the way; the USA has only to pick up their torch and finish the job.What does that have to do with Russians invading Ukraine and killing the Ukrainian people?

Post that rant in an American forum.

[MgLuulay]

Whatever Putin is saying, he cannot hide Russian is losing in Ukraine, at least for now.

I wonder how many children of Putin & his elite politicians are fighting against Ukrainians at the front line.

At the end of the day, only the ordinary Russians are going to die and their family will suffer.

[Golfinho]

What does that have to do with Russians invading Ukraine and killing the Ukrainian people?
Post that rant in an American forum.Try again. Maybe you'll get it.

[PedroMorales]

Nuclear war, what countries should be wiped off the face of the maps first? I vote England, the City of London and the other financial nerve centres. The main targets are the nuclear silos in various US flyover states and their European equivalents but I feel a strong calling card, a knock knock whos's there multiple tap, best fits the bill.

Israel would be another welcome target but that ain't going to happen. God knows why Russia released those English mercenaries on the Saudis' advice. No doubt odd games going on but let's just hope Russia is on a roll and King Charles' reign is shortened by knock knock nukes.

[VinDici]

Nuclear war, what countries should be wiped off the face of the maps first? I vote England, the City of London and the other financial nerve centres. The main targets are the nuclear silos in various US flyover states and their European equivalents but I feel a strong calling card, a knock knock whos's there multiple tap, best fits the bill.

Israel would be another welcome target but that ain't going to happen. God knows why Russia released those English mercenaries on the Saudis' advice. No doubt odd games going on but let's just hope Russia is on a roll and King Charles' reign is shortened by knock knock nukes.Why would you vote for anyone to be wiped out by nuclear weapons?

[MgLuulay]

Nuclear war, what countries should be wiped off the face of the maps first? I vote England, the City of London and the other financial nerve centres. The main targets are the nuclear silos in various US flyover states and their European equivalents but I feel a strong calling card, a knock knock who's there multiple tap, best fits the bill.
....Last time talking big only on online, but Russian soldiers are running away on ground.

Now you admit Putin is losing. Not many option left in Putin's hand except talking about nuclear.

[Reiner Otto]

I wonder how many children of Putin & his elite politicians are fighting against Ukrainians at the front line.
As soon as an increasing number of children of inhabitants of Moscow and St. Petersburg will be "Missing in Action", "Putlers Reich" is coming to an end.

[PedroMorales]

Last time talking big only on online, but Russian soldiers are running away on ground.

Now you admit Putin is losing. Not many option left in Putin's hand except talking about nuclear.This is about destroying NATO, Hunter Biden's bio labs. Even before day 1, nukes were on the table. The American criminal regime is the only country ever to use nukes, on Japan, when Japan was already beaten. If you are American, you and your fat ass are excess to requirements.

Maybe get your news from somewhere else besides the CIA. Asa regards the other troll talking about Russians dying, this is not their first rodeo. They are not Americans, who just slaughter Arabs, Asians and Latinos.

[PedroMorales]

Last time talking big only on online, but Russian soldiers are running away on ground.

Now you admit Putin is losing. Not many option left in Putin's hand except talking about nuclear.This is about destroying NATO, Hunter Biden's bio labs. Even before day 1, nukes were on the table. The American criminal regime is the only country ever to use nukes, on Japan, when Japan was already beaten. If you are American, you and your fat ass are excess to requirements.

Maybe get your news from somewhere else besides the CIA. Asa regards the other troll talking about Russians dying, this is not their first rodeo. They are not Americans, who just slaughter Arabs, Asians and Latinos.

[Timmy21]

Whatever Putin is saying, he cannot hide Russian is losing in Ukraine, at least for now.

I wonder how many children of Putin & his elite politicians are fighting against Ukrainians at the front line.

At the end of the day, only the ordinary Russians are going to die and their family will suffer.The last two days Russia has detained thousands of Russians, protesting the war, and over 51 percent are women. The Russian dictator needs to stick a uniform on his daughters and send them both, straight to the front.

[How14]

Nuclear war, what countries should be wiped off the face of the maps first? I vote England, the City of London and the other financial nerve centres. The main targets are the nuclear silos in various US flyover states and their European equivalents but I feel a strong calling card, a knock knock who's there multiple tap, best fits the bill.

Israel would be another welcome target but that ain't going to happen. God knows why Russia released those English mercenaries on the Saudis' advice. No doubt odd games going on but let's just hope Russia is on a roll and King Charles' reign is shortened by knock knock nukes.You my friend are a total idiot.

[VinDici]

..garbled lunacy...It's hard to understand clown speak, we only understand rational English.

[PedroMorales]

Are an idiot. Russia has 25 million reserves. 25 million, get the number. 300,000 are being called up. Ukraine's capability is gone. Their reserves are gone.

You are afraid of nuclear weapons. Your problem, not mine. If it takes nuclear war to stop the USA, that is fine with me. As long as a lot of Americans also perish.

The Russian Army is now committed and will prevail.

Watch also Sunday's election in Italy.


You my friend are a total idiot.

[Shevchenko]

Are an idiot. Russia has 25 million reserves. 25 million, get the number. 300,000 are being called up. Ukraine's capability is gone. Their reserves are gone.

You are afraid of nuclear weapons. Your problem, not mine. If it takes nuclear war to stop the USA, that is fine with me. As long as a lot of Americans also perish.

The Russian Army is now committed and will prevail.

Watch also Sunday's election in Italy.I haven't followed this thread much, but, jeez, why do you hate America so much?

What have they done to you or to Latin America?

If you explain, we would sympathize with you.

[Shevchenko]

Are an idiot. Russia has 25 million reserves. 25 million, get the number. 300,000 are being called up. Ukraine's capability is gone. Their reserves are gone.

You are afraid of nuclear weapons. Your problem, not mine. If it takes nuclear war to stop the USA, that is fine with me. As long as a lot of Americans also perish.

The Russian Army is now committed and will prevail.

Watch also Sunday's election in Italy.I haven't followed this thread much, but, jeez, why do you hate America so much?

What have they done to you or to Latin America in your opinion?

If you explain, we would sympathize with you.

If no America, you wouldn't have named yourself PedroMorales.

[Xpartan]

Are an idiot. Russia has 25 million reserves. 25 million, get the number. 300,000 are being called up. Ukraine's capability is gone. Their reserves are gone.

You are afraid of nuclear weapons. Your problem, not mine. If it takes nuclear war to stop the USA, that is fine with me. As long as a lot of Americans also perish.

The Russian Army is now committed and will prevail.

Watch also Sunday's election in Italy.Even Russia claims 2 million reservists. And whatever they claim must be divided by 10 at least.

The endless lines of vehicles on the borders of Georgia and Armenia, as well as 10-fold price hikes on any flights out of Russia (mostly sold out even at those prices) can tell everyone who's not a moron how many Russians are actually willing to die for the bunker rat.

[Paulie97]

Even Russia claims 2 million reservists. And whatever they claim must be divided by 10 at least.

The endless lines of vehicles on the borders of Georgia and Armenia, as well as 10-fold price hikes on any flights out of Russia (mostly sold out even at those prices) can tell everyone who's not a moron how many Russians are actually willing to die for the bunker rat.It's quite the "mobilization. " Wink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-P44xUPvRg

[Golfinho]

The Russian dictator needs to stick a uniform on his daughters and send them both, straight to the front.Right. Just like the Big Guy stuck a uniform on Hunter.

[VinDici]

Right. Just like the Big Guy stuck a uniform on Hunter.He hasn't done a mobilisation. (facepalm).

[PedroMorales]

I haven't followed this thread much, but, jeez, why do you hate America so much? What have they done to you or to Latin America in your opinion? If you explain, we would sympathize with you. Your "sympathy" is not required. Save it for some stray dog in one of your drug addled cities. The fact you have no idea what the USA has done to just about everyone tells it own story. The USA is to today what Nazi Germany was to an earlier era but even worse than that. Nazi Germany was defeated by the 35 million soldiers of the Red Army and the reservists who stood behind them. That America zoo exhibits here think the Russian Army would be limited to 2 million shows what shallow minds Americans have.

Here is how things will play out. The new Novorossiya is forming. When the referendums are finished, any attack on it = nuclear war, which makes the actual size of Russia's reserves moot. As long as England and America are in the nuclear cross hairs, all is good.

At the other level, Italy is currently telling the EU to fukck off. The EU has threatened retaliation. , a game we can all play.

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere.

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;.

And not before time. We are seeing this happening in England and Sweden at the moment. Whatever power the Democrats have over the UK and Europe is making their currencies and economies implode and boosting the dollar to help in the mid terms. But that won't stop the gates of hell opening. Already Germany's main producer of toilet paper has folded. Can you imagine, Germans being like Joe Biden with streak marks on their underwear because they obeyed the CIA.

The Yanks, like the miserable sons of bitches they are, think they will escape this one unscathed. And yes, the Greta Tunbergs and EU MPs will have to be dragged out first to meet their Makers. And then the harlots of the media. You want a colour revolution? You are going to get one, in deepest oceans of red blood. I neither welcome nor fear it. I am resigned to it and happy to play my bit part. Beats watching American movies or leering about American elephant women.

On that last point, the Australians (better lap dogs than sheep dogs) are getting heavy into eating crickets, getting kids (joeys) to munch on them. Are they as fattening as the corn oiled crap Americans much on? Crickets ffs.

[VinDici]

Here is how things will play out. The new Novorossiya is forming. When the referendums are finished, any attack on it = nuclear war, which makes the actual size of Russia's reserves moot. As long as England and America are in the nuclear cross hairs, all is good.There will be no nuclear war. Should Russia deploy tactical nukes, it will be the end for them, and they know it.

If NATO decided to make a coordinated attack against Russia, the Russians would be wiped out very quickly. Unlike the Russian army, NATO actually has decent tactics and logistics to back up their mouths.

[Golfinho]

There will be no nuclear war. Should Russia deploy tactical nukes, it will be the end for them, and they know it.Have you ever seen the map? Try paying attention to the size of Europe relative to the Russian landmass. This should give you some clues as to what gets wiped out or not.

Just the same, there's not going to be a nuclear Armagedeon. It's not like the insane fundamentalist zionists are anywhere near the red buttons.

[VinDici]

...Just the same, there's not going to be a nuclear Armagedeon..You can just write "I agree" next time. No need to be a dick about it.

[MgLuulay]

Your "sympathy" is not required. Save it for some stray dog in one of your drug addled cities. The fact you have no idea what the USA has done to just about everyone tells it own story. The USA is to today what Nazi Germany was to an earlier era but even worse than that. Nazi Germany was defeated by the 35 million soldiers of the Red Army and the reservists who stood behind them.
.Anyway Putin is losing the war as of today.

If you insist, Go and fight Ukrians at the front line.

Don't just be a "keyboard warrior" LOL.

[Xpartan]

Have you ever seen the map? Try paying attention to the size of Europe relative to the Russian landmass. This should give you some clues as to what gets wiped out or not.I saw that map way before 1992. It was much, much bigger.

The Russian landmass you're in awe of is mostly depopulated areas.

The REAL size of Europe is 600 million people.

Russia - 144 million, and the number keeps shrinking.

Empires that don't go with the times die, usually with a great deal of violence.

One day, Russia will be a decent country, but it won't be an empire and it will fit into a much smaller map.

[Elvis 2008]

https://zeihan.com/russia-calls-up-more-troops/

"It is still the Russians war to lose. But they are following the playbook."

I have been listening to Peter Zhein's speeches and I cannot see how anyone can be pro-war. There is no winning this war. It is how much we all lose and it is not just Ukraine or Russia but all of mankind. If the world does not have access to the potash and fertilizer of Russia and Belarus, the resulting famine is going to make these war deaths look like a blip. This war really, really, really needs to end.

[PedroMorales]

The American bombing of Nordstream 2 off the Danish coast shows that Americans, all Americans, should be barred from Europe. It is quite amazing that Europe has a bunch of leaders happy to see the pariah state of the USA wreck Europe and the world.

[PedroMorales]

Soon I will be saying goodbye as I will be heaven bound with the Rapture, heaven bound where there are hopefully no Americans.

Just like Russia which the Biden mob have ordered all Americans to leave. The governments of Poland, Romania and the Baltic states have also demanded their citizens leave Russia. I reckon the American terrorists will next attack the Crimean bridge. The Rapture will soon come when the nuclear weapons start flying, which they must very soon. We can only hope and pray China, Pakistan, North Korea and India join in. Either way, bend over and kiss your fat asses goodbye. What did the world ever do to have Americans in our midst? Oh well, that is all moot now.

[VinDici]

The American bombing of Nordstream 2 ....The Americans did not bomb Nordstream 2, it was the Russians. Evidence will be found soon enough, I'm so confident I will happily place a wager on this, do you want to take me up on this? I will bet that it was not the Americans, will you take the bet?

[Xpartan]

This war really, really, really needs to end.It does. And it will. Not by useful idiots chanting their hollow mantras, but by AFU kicking Putin's ass.

[Golfinho]

The Americans did not bomb Nordstream 2, it was the Russians. Evidence will be found soon enough, I'm so confident I will happily place a wager on this, do you want to take me up on this? I will bet that it was not the Americans, will you take the bet?Of course, the Russians did it. Why wouldn't they bomb their own pipeline? What better way to throw away all their leverage over the Western Europeans?

[PedroMorales]

120,000 Belarussian peace keepers are mobilising at the Ukrainian border. Some 30,000 more Russians have moved up to the front. Russian peace maker Putin has declared Luhansk, Donbas etc are Russian. Let's all pray he drops the big one again and again and rids the world of London and the USA.

[VinDici]

Of course, the Russians did it. Why wouldn't they bomb their own pipeline? What better way to throw away all their leverage over the Western Europeans?This is the reason why Russia destroyed the pipeline. Gazprom is in breach of their contracts for shutting down gas supply and can be sued because of it. The destroyed pipelines are supposed to be "force majeure" which would give them en excuse not to deliver.

They already played their leverage card by stopping the deliveries.

Try and live in reality, and not in clown world for a change.

[VinDici]

120,000 Belarussian peace keepers are mobilising at the Ukrainian border. Some 30,000 more Russians have moved up to the front. Russian peace maker Putin has declared Luhansk, Donbas etc are Russian. Let's all pray he drops the big one again and again and rids the world of London and the USA.Peace maker. Please explain?

Also given that Belarus struggled to supply 5000 troops at the start of the war, how will they supply 120,000 now that they can clearly see that RuZZia is losing? Please explain?

Why are you praying for nuclear escalation?

You don't want to take any of my wagers. What a cowardly person you are.

[PedroMorales]

Is an Australian expression, referring to the sheep shit that gets stuck in the arses of sheep well as to turds like you.

1. Belarus.

https://odessa-journal.com/defence-intelligence-belarus-is-preparing-to-receive-20000-people-mobilized-from-the-russian-federation/ + Russia was economical with the truth when it sent its peace keepers in.

2. You know Russian blew the pipelines in one of NATO's most heavily guarded waters. Between us, we know everything. You know everything except you are a cross dressing bisexual moron and I know that already.

3. You want a bet but I don't want to know shoe shit like you. I don't bet, not financially at least. I was going to travel tomorrow to take care of business like you but it can wait.

4. Nuclear war: The world without the USA would be a better place. Nuke it.

4. Go back to pulling your cock and sucking the cocks of others. You know no better.


Peace maker. Please explain?

Also given that Belarus struggled to supply 5000 troops at the start of the war, how will they supply 120,000 now that they can clearly see that RuZZia is losing? Please explain?

Why are you praying for nuclear escalation?

You don't want to take any of my wagers. What a cowardly person you are.

[Golfinho]

This is the reason why Russia destroyed the pipeline. Gazprom is in breach of their contracts for shutting down gas supply and can be sued because of it. The destroyed pipelines are supposed to be "force majeure" which would give them en excuse not to deliver.
.Simpleton. The Germans signed a contract to buy Russian gas. Uncle Shmuel made a sanction and told the Germans they couldn't buy anymore Gazprom. The German leadership followed orders, breaching their contract and can be sued because of it. Then the German people went to streets to protest this idiotic decision. Afraid the puppet politicians would respect the people they obstensibly represent, Uncle Shmuel blows up the pipeline.

[VinDici]

1. Belarus.

https://odessa-journal.com/defence-intelligence-belarus-is-preparing-to-receive-20000-people-mobilized-from-the-russian-federation/ + Russia was economical with the truth when it sent its peace keepers in.

2. You know Russian blew the pipelines in one of NATO's most heavily guarded waters. Between us, we know everything. You know everything except you are a cross dressing bisexual moron and I know that already.

3. You want a bet but I don't want to know shoe shit like you. I don't bet, not financially at least. I was going to travel tomorrow to take care of business like you but it can wait.

4. Nuclear war: The world without the USA would be a better place. Nuke it.

4. Go back to pulling your cock and sucking the cocks of others. You know no better.There are no peace keepers from Russia, there are only invaders it's not the same.

You're not only a liar you're a coward plain and simple.

[VinDici]

Simpleton. The Germans signed a contract to buy Russian gas. Uncle Shmuel made a sanction and told the Germans they couldn't buy anymore Gazprom. The German leadership followed orders, breaching their contract and can be sued because of it. Then the German people went to streets to protest this idiotic decision. Afraid the puppet politicians would respect the people they obstensibly represent, Uncle Shmuel blows up the pipeline.Where is this fantasy from?

Germans would and are allowed to buy gas from Russia. The contract is to be paid in USD. When Russian tried to change the terms and it was rejected, DE had to pivot. In order to stop DE filling it's reserves before winter, Russia turned off the gas. No intervention from the US required or needed.

Who are these protesters in Germany other than Russians with permits to live there, latest support for Ukraine was higher than 70% in Germany and the number has increased with each month.

[Xpartan]

Pro-Kremlin neo-Nazi militia inciting the torture and murder of Ukrainian prisoners.


A neo-Nazi pro-Kremlin group active in Ukraine is inciting atrocities against prisoners of war and explicitly advocates the torture of captives including removing body parts. The self-styled Task Force Rusich is fighting in Ukraine on behalf of the Kremlin and is linked to the notorious Wagner Group mercenaries.

A message on Rusichs Telegram channel sent on 22 September advocates the destruction of prisoners on the spot.

The Rusich Telegram post contains specific and detailed instructions for the channels followers on the disposal of prisoners of war from the armed forces of Ukraine.

Its key points also include explicit instructions to murder captives after interrogation and encourages forcing the families of murdered captives to pay Rusich for the coordinates of their loved ones bodies.

It says the capture of Ukrainians should not be reported to the pro-Kremlin command, and if a report has to be made, it should say that the captive is already injured or dying.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/pro-kremlin-neo-nazi-militia-inciting-torture-murder-ukrainian-prisoners

[Golfinho]

Germans would and are allowed to buy gas from Russia. The contract is to be paid in USD. When Russian tried to change the terms and it was rejected, DE had to pivot. In order to stop DE filling it's reserves before winter, Russia turned off the gas. No intervention from the US required or needed.

Who are these protesters in Germany other than Russians with permits to live there, latest support for Ukraine was higher than 70% in Germany and the number has increased with each month.So you absorb your information exclusively from mainstream Anglo-American zio news sources. You're excused.

[VinDici]

So you absorb your information exclusively from mainstream Anglo-American zio news sources. You're excused.I prefer that to pulling it out from my arse.

[YummyPL]

https://zeihan.com/russia-calls-up-more-troops/

"It is still the Russians war to lose. But they are following the playbook."

I have been listening to Peter Zhein's speeches and I cannot see how anyone can be pro-war. There is no winning this war. It is how much we all lose and it is not just Ukraine or Russia but all of mankind. If the world does not have access to the potash and fertilizer of Russia and Belarus, the resulting famine is going to make these war deaths look like a blip. This war really, really, really needs to end.It can end very easily. All Putin has to do is withdraw his troops and it will end. Just one man's orders. As simple as that.

[Golfinho]

It can end very easily. All Putin has to do is withdraw his troops and it will end. Just one man's orders. As simple as that.Sure, and it will end where it began: with NATO back to stealth pushing to dismember Russia. Simple as that.

[VinDici]

Sure, and it will end where it began: with NATO back to stealth pushing to dismember Russia. Simple as that.As opposed to Russia blatantly invading other countries and taking their land and resources?

[Riina]

Have you guys noticed the little Ukrainian flags and bumper stickers in communities are slowly disappearing? We're all that much closer to getting smoked for a bunch of crooks.

[Chicago85]

Have you ever seen the map? Try paying attention to the size of Europe relative to the Russian landmass. This should give you some clues as to what gets wiped out or not.

Just the same, there's not going to be a nuclear Armagedeon. It's not like the insane fundamentalist zionists are anywhere near the red buttons.

Regardless of landmass, Russia is a country where 25% of people lack indoor plumbing, from which soldiers steal washing machines (a common appliance in western nations for over 50 years), and from which 700,000 people, including 300,000 military aged males have fled (10% to 20% of available). I respect the Russian people and culture, but they lack technology and as we've seen their weapons are laughable and military training non-existent. You can easily find these facts via google. What the 300,000 young men noted above do have is a survival instinct.

If Mother Russia hasn't taken the time to buy her soldier sons socks I seriously doubt she's been taking the time to maintain her nuclear arsenal. There's much greater risk of these bombs blowing up in their silos and the Russians know it. Also the first time that even a tactical nuke is dropped the US / NATO will wipe out the Black See Fleet, the Northern Fleet and ANY Russian soldier that our OUTSTANDING satellite imagery can find. Do you not understand that our highly TRAINED and EXPERIENCED military leadership has already planned for every possible scenario? Ukraine would be clear in 3-4 days and if we wanted to put up a McDonalds in Red Square we could do so by Christmas.

[Golfinho]

. Do you not understand that our highly trained and experienced military leadership has already planned for every possible scenario? Ukraine would be clear in 3-4 days and if we wanted to...Do you not understand that your highly trained and experienced military leadership has already failed to defeat adversaries in every possible scenario -- from tribesmen in sandals to viets in pajamas?

[Chicago85]

Do you not understand that your highly trained and experienced military leadership has already failed to defeat adversaries in every possible scenario -- from tribesmen in sandals to viets in pajamas?The USA Captured all of Iraq's major cities in 3 weeks. It's a country of 40+ million. It was similar to Afghanistan. The challenge comes with guerilla warfare, the rural countryside, and the fact that the government tied the militaries hands in many ways. If Russia drops a nuke the gloves will be off with untied hands, don't kid yourself.

[Xpartan]

Regardless of landmass, Russia is a country where 25% of people lack indoor plumbing, from which soldiers steal washing machines (a common appliance in western nations for over 50 years), and from which 700,000 people, including 300,000 military aged males have fled (10% to 20% of available). I respect the Russian people and culture, but they lack technology and as we've seen their weapons are laughable and military training non-existent. You can easily find these facts via google. What the 300,000 young men noted above do have is a survival instinct.

If Mother Russia hasn't taken the time to buy her soldier sons socks I seriously doubt she's been taking the time to maintain her nuclear arsenal. There's much greater risk of these bombs blowing up in their silos and the Russians know it. Also the first time that even a tactical nuke is dropped the US / NATO will wipe out the Black See Fleet, the Northern Fleet and ANY Russian soldier that our OUTSTANDING satellite imagery can find. Do you not understand that our highly TRAINED and EXPERIENCED military leadership has already planned for every possible scenario? Ukraine would be clear in 3-4 days and if we wanted to put up a McDonalds in Red Square we could do so by Christmas.Let's not oversimplify. That "planning for every possible scenario" thingy -- I'm very skeptical. For one thing, I'm not at all convinced NATO will act quickly and decisively if Putin drops a tactical nuke on Ukraine. Even if they suddenly decide they've got balls, there will be quite a few logistical challenges.

1. Russia's fleets aren't important to their war efforts, but Russia has 60+ submarines that won't be easy to locate and take out quickly. I believe half of them are nuclear-powered.

2. Russia's occupying forces are stationed in populated areas. How are we going to take them out without destroying the cities and killing the locals?

3. Nato's direct involvement will make the war even more unpredictable than it is now. You just don't know what can finally push that maniac to push that button.

4. Don't kid yourself expecting ALL Russian strategic nukes to misfire. They have 6,000. Even if 10% reach their destinations that's game over for most of the world.

That said, we still have to press ahead supporting Ukraine, no matter what. I just hope you're right and Nato is prepared for whatever lies ahead.

[Paulie97]

Let's not oversimplify. That "planning for every possible scenario" thingy -- I'm very skeptical. For one thing, I'm not at all convinced NATO will act quickly and decisively if Putin drops a tactical nuke on Ukraine. Even if they suddenly decide they've got balls, there will be quite a few logistical challenges.

1. Russia's fleets aren't important to their war efforts, but Russia has 60+ submarines that won't be easy to locate and take out quickly. I believe half of them are nuclear-powered.

2. Russia's occupying forces are stationed in populated areas. How are we going to take them out without destroying the cities and killing the locals?

3. Nato's direct involvement will make the war even more unpredictable than it is now. You just don't know what can finally push that maniac to push that button.

4. Don't kid yourself expecting ALL Russian strategic nukes to misfire. They have 6,000. Even if 10% reach their destinations that's game over for most of the world.

That said, we still have to press ahead supporting Ukraine, no matter what. I just hope you're right and Nato is prepared for whatever lies ahead.The one that "lacks balls" is you, not NATO. Why not just join up with Kerzhog and Pedro and tell Ukraine to bend over and grab their ankles? Yes we are prepared for a "catastrophic response" if Poots uses tactical nukes, and that's precisely what you are going to see if he takes that step. The odds of that though remain very low. It would involve Russia losing the few major players left that will have anything to do with them. Plus there's no guarantee that the order would get carried out.

[Jmsuttr]

And the tide has turned against Russia in several significant ways.

Before elaborating on the above, I wanted to thank the senior members who sent me DMs. I initially took a break to help out a family member who was having medical issues. After that resolved I decided to take a long overdue vacation. During that extended break I realized that, while others would doubtlessly get all worked up debating every wave and ripple, I should follow my own advice about only concerning myself with tidal events. Since the end of June, when I last posted, things were mostly at a standstill until the Kharkhiv counteroffensive in September. And even that, as notable as it was (and is) is better described as a byproduct of a tidal force, rather than the force itself. Here's my reasoning:

1. Battlefield tidal forces: Russia, even after retreating from Kyiv, maintained a significant numerical advantage in terms of artillery and the ability to launch massive "fires" at a town or area to push Ukrainian forces back. The Russkies didn't care if they obliterated everything, they'd roll in and take possession of the ruins. Even with advantages in morale and competence, Ukrainian forces were fighting against the tidal force of massed artillery, and similar weapons systems. The fact they (Ukraine) were able to force a de facto stalemate is a huge credit to them.

The tide on the battlefield shifted with the introduction of HIMARS and other precision and long-range Western systems. Ukraine has been able to disrupt Russian logistics by hitting ammo dumps and fuel depots while staying out of range of Russian guns. The fact that Russian logistics are mostly railroad dependent means those weapons and fuel caches aren't that hard to locate. And if Russian forces try to spread them out that makes their logistics chain less efficient, and slower. Since the introduction of HIMARS, the M777, HARMs, etc. , Russia has been on the back foot and unable to mount any significant offensive actions. Ukraine is now on the front foot, as evidenced by both Kherson and Kharkhiv fronts, and Russia is on the defensive. Mobilization is Russia's attempt to turn the tide but, IMO, it's probably too little, and too late, and has negative consequences that affect other (non-battlefield) tidal forces.

2. Economic tidal forces: People can debate the efficacy of sanctions, and they're certainly in a constant state of enforcement vs evasion flux, but I would argue that the only proof that matters is what translates to the battlefield. Between formal (govt imposed) and informal (private company decisions) sanctions, I've seen no evidence of a shift in the prevailing tide, which is against Russia. Any money Putin may have from oil and gas sales does not seem to have translated into material benefits on the battlefield. And the mobilization, as I mentioned in #1 (above) has unintended negative consequences for the economy. By taking hundreds of thousands of working-age men out of the economy, compounded by hundreds of thousands more who have fled to avoid conscription, there will be nasty domino-effect cascades that we haven't yet begun to see. The fact the Russian economy hasn't collapsed is not the real issue. They're resilient and resourceful and I'm sure they'll find a way to muddle through. But the key point is that they haven't been able to stop their deteriorating position on the battlefield. And the pattern of losses is bound to be detrimental to the national morale and psyche.

I'm sure some will rush to point out Putin's weaponization of energy and how Europe will be affected this winter. While I don't have a crystal ball, I'd simply note that Europe has remained remarkably unified while Putin has increasingly made negotiations a non-starter. By continually ramping up the threats and showing no reluctance to shut off oil and gas flows, Russia has shown itself to be an untrustworthy bully. The only point of a negotiation is if there's confidence that agreements would be respected and that the bully wouldn't simply resume aggression in the future. Ukraine certainly has no confidence and, just as importantly, neither do the Baltics, Poland, and other significant countries. So I expect Europe will muddle through their own set of issues this winter. And, while tides can always change, I see no evidence that's happening at this time.

3. Demographic tidal forces: The brain drain that was already happening has been exacerbated by even more Russians fleeing conscription. Unrest and resentment is increasing in regions which are not ethnically Russian, like Dagestan. And millions who were previously able to ignore the "Special Military Operation" are now having to worry about their family members being sent to war. If Russia was being invaded, or if they were winning the war, they could probably be successful in creating a positive feeling in the population. But neither of those conditions holds true, which means that negative sentiment, unrest, and population outflow, are likely to continue. It's also worth noting that Russian state media, and pro-Russian social channels, have turned negative and taken to finger-pointing and blaming various figures (usually military) for failures, which probably has an amplifying effect on any negative sentiment in the population.

4. Geopolitical tidal forces: Russia has continued down the path of national isolation and even supposed "friends," like China and India, are (mildly) supportive in word rather than deed. They see Russia losing and want to maintain enough distance to avoid getting pulled down (or in). The CSTO has crumbled as Azerbaijan vs Armenia and Tajikistan vs Kyrgyzstan conflicts arise without Moscow having the ability to influence matters. Kazakhstan has cozied up to China and has openly defied Putin, refusing to acknowledge the annexation of Ukrainian territories. In fact, IIRC, only North Korea has given such acknowledgement. Even China and India have remained silent, while Turkey has openly condemned it. It's obvious to all who aren't Putin sycophants that Russia has lost influence, respect, and has retained only a fraction of it's former geopolitical position. That's a tidal force that's unlikely to change for years, or decades, if ever.

I'm sure others can add to the list above, or argue the validity of various points, so knock yourselves out. But I wanted to make this post now because it's very possible that Putin, depending on how he chooses to respond to the attack on the Kerch Strait bridge, may turn some (or all) of those tidal forces into raging cascades. Stay tuned!

[DramaFree11]

Let's not oversimplify. That "planning for every possible scenario" thingy -- I'm very skeptical. For one thing, I'm not at all convinced NATO will act quickly and decisively if Putin drops a tactical nuke on Ukraine. Even if they suddenly decide they've got balls, there will be quite a few logistical challenges.

1. Russia's fleets aren't important to their war efforts, but Russia has 60+ submarines that won't be easy to locate and take out quickly. I believe half of them are nuclear-powered.

2. Russia's occupying forces are stationed in populated areas. How are we going to take them out without destroying the cities and killing the locals?

3. Nato's direct involvement will make the war even more unpredictable than it is now. You just don't know what can finally push that maniac to push that button.

4. Don't kid yourself expecting ALL Russian strategic nukes to misfire. They have 6,000. Even if 10% reach their destinations that's game over for most of the world.

That said, we still have to press ahead supporting Ukraine, no matter what. I just hope you're right and Nato is prepared for whatever lies ahead.Wow, Xman we finally agree. I also feel that most of Putin, nukes do not work, but if 10% work, that is enough to escalate this even more. Ukraine's army is definitely winning, so I was wrong, but as I said from the beginning what will this cost the country and the world. Now instead of having one Country screwed up, we are probably going to have 2. Putin is digging a huge grave, that will take years to dig out of, he needs to go. Time will tell.

Hopefully the Ukraine will take this gift and turn their country around and eliminate the corruption. I have my doubts. They owe this to the rest of the world, many are suffering financially from this ridiculous war, that should have never started and there is a lot of blame to go around, including Biden and his allies.

Putin and Z need to find a solution quick, but until the rest of the world, but pressure on them to find a solution, the crisis will only get worse. Elvis was correct, Biden wants this war and is doing nothing to end it, for whatever reason.

[Xpartan]

The one that "lacks balls" is you, not NATO. Why not just join up with Kerzhog and Pedro and tell Ukraine to bend over and grab their ankles? Yes we are prepared for a "catastrophic response" if Poots uses tactical nukes, and that's precisely what you are going to see if he takes that step. The odds of that though remain very low. It would involve Russia losing the few major players left that will have anything to do with them. Plus there's no guarantee that the order would get carried out.Before you say something that dumb, at least read the message all the way through. If you had you would've found this: "That said, we still have to press ahead supporting Ukraine, no matter what. I just hope you're right and Nato is prepared for whatever lies ahead. ".

I have good reasons to doubt Nato's competence. Why the fuck have we not given them F16? Why do we block Poland from sending them old Soviet MiGs? Why not give them long-range ATACMs if not in an attempt to appease Pu? Today Russians hit Ukraine with 100 missiles and at least half came through, yet Ukrainians have been begging for NASAMS for 6 months already (yes they've been promised once again in 2 months -- maybe). Your cavalier desktop warrior attitude is only matched by your vagueness (who do you mean by "major players", when you have no idea whether or not Pu has already removed every "middleman" between him and the nukes). Gee, I really hope WE, as you put it, know a little more than YOU do -- crossing your fingers and praying for the best.

[VinDici]

And the tide has turned against Russia in several significant ways.

...Great summary and analysis, welcome back sir!

*salute.

[Jojosun]

https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-719300

: More than 15,000 have confirmed participation in a sex party on a hill if Putin decides to press the red button, with participants even indicating whether they prefer anal or oral sex.

The organizers claim that the event, in which the locals will give up the atomic shelters and bunkers in favor of a sexual celebration, is so popular that "for some reason, all the apartments with a view of the hill have disappeared from real estate sites. ".

[Questner]

Wow, Xman we finally agree. I also feel that most of Putin, nukes do not work, but if 10% work, that is enough to escalate this even more. Ukraine's army is definitely winning, so I was wrong, but as I said from the beginning what will this cost the country and the world. Now instead of having one Country screwed up, we are probably going to have 2. Putin is digging a huge grave, that will take years to dig out of, he needs to go. Time will tell.

Hopefully the Ukraine will take this gift and turn their country around and eliminate the corruption. I have my doubts. They owe this to the rest of the world, many are suffering financially from this ridiculous war, that should have never started and there is a lot of blame to go around, including Biden and his allies.

Putin and Z need to find a solution quick, but until the rest of the world, but pressure on them to find a solution, the crisis will only get worse. Elvis was correct, Biden wants this war and is doing nothing to end it, for whatever reason.Thankfully, the professionals in the US know that 100% work and have the capability to obliterate everything. The screw ups in our military were known for generations, however it doesn't change the ability of the triad. I can attest it.

We are the same country and will remain corrupt. Your country is no less corrupt, just your corruption has its own flavor and rules. Biden has failed on peace effort. He was in a deep conflict of interest on Ukraine for years.

There are many opinions on the conflict, and I find some on The American Conservative and The Federalist make sense.

Going to the origin of the conflict, here is only one of its pages. Download it. Read it. There is nothing ridiculous in it. https://www.conflits-nations.com/le-livre-blanc.

[Xpartan]

Putin and Z need to find a solution quick, but until the rest of the world, but pressure on them to find a solution, the crisis will only get worse. Elvis was correct, Biden wants this war and is doing nothing to end it, for whatever reason.I'm always happy to find a common ground with my opponents, but you keep insisting on the impossible (Putin and Zelensky at the same table). This is not going to happen. Not because Pu is a war criminal and mass murderer, but because whatever he signs ain't worth shit. Ukraine knows that their only chance of survival is pressing ahead.


Thankfully, the professionals in the US know that 100% work and have the capability to obliterate everything. The screw ups in our military were known for generations, however it doesn't change the ability of the triad. I can attest it.Aha. In the most astonishingly corrupt big country on planet Earth, the arsenal of 6,000 nukes is sacred. No one embezzles. No one steals. No one drinks themselves into oblivion. No one cuts corners. Everything works like a clock. Swiss clock, not Russian. Yeah, sure.

Whatever is the nature of your delusion, the Russian Empire is as good as dead. Too bad she's chosen such a bloody and despicable path to self-destruction. Didn't have to be.

[DramaFree11]

I'm always happy to find a common ground with my opponents, but you keep insisting on the impossible (Putin and Zelensky at the same table). This is not going to happen. Not because Pu is a war criminal and mass murderer, but because whatever he signs ain't worth shit. Ukraine knows that their only chance of survival is pressing ahead.

Aha. In the most astonishingly corrupt big country on planet Earth, the arsenal of 6,000 nukes is sacred. No one embezzles. No one steals. No one drinks themselves into oblivion. No one cuts corners. Everything works like a clock. Swiss clock, not Russian. Yeah, sure.

Whatever is the nature of your delusion, the Russian Empire is as good as dead. Too bad she's chosen such a bloody and despicable path to self-destruction. Didn't have to be.Xman they should have been negotiating from the beginning, you should always negotiate even if you hate your opponent. Nothing bad can come from talking. This war should have never happened and nobody is going to win with the exception of a few politicians and arms dealers. This is worst case scenario minus the nuclear option.

Again you liberals live in a fantasy world, how are you going to enforce war crimes, we are not going into Russia unless he decides to go nuclear and then Russia will be wiped out and this is bad for everyone. I know CNN likes to talk about this garbage, but is impossible to enforce war crimes and I am sure your boy Pres. Z is guilty of many things as well, he is no Choir Boy. Try to live in the really world.

[Paulie97]

This is from a retired four star US Army general who gives us some ideas of what Putin can expect if he uses a tactical nuke. Rest assured he knows much more about it than anyone in a hooker forum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL90ljiNuSs

Poots is more likely to get put out to pasture (forced retirement) before that happens, among other outcomes. See the video, interview with his former speechwriter on the regular Kyiv thread that I just posted.

[VinDici]

Putin and Z need to find a solution quick, but until the rest of the world, but pressure on them to find a solution, the crisis will only get worse. Elvis was correct, Biden wants this war and is doing nothing to end it, for whatever reason.It has been demonstrated again and again, that deals agreed with Putin are not honoured. It's not possible to come to a negotiated settlement with someone who will not hold up their side of the agreement. Ukraine will only have peace if they can decisively kick the Russians out, and even then, I expect constant sabotage from the Russians until there is real regime change.

[DramaFree11]

It has been demonstrated again and again, that deals agreed with Putin are not honoured. It's not possible to come to a negotiated settlement with someone who will not hold up their side of the agreement. Ukraine will only have peace if they can decisively kick the Russians out, and even then, I expect constant sabotage from the Russians until there is real regime change.You are correct, but Ukraine's government is not much better. Ukraine is almost as corrupt as Russia, in something probably more corrupt. Sorry, Ukraine government is horrible, maybe they will change, but I have my doubts.

[WyattEarp]

And the tide has turned against Russia in several significant ways.

Before elaborating on the above, I wanted to thank the senior members who sent me DMs. I initially took a break to help out a family member who was having medical issues. After that resolved I decided to take a long overdue vacation. During that extended break I realized that, while others would doubtlessly get all worked up debating every wave and ripple, I should follow my own advice about only concerning myself with tidal events. Since the end of June, when I last posted, things were mostly at a standstill until the Kharkhiv counteroffensive in September. And even that, as notable as it was (and is) is better described as a byproduct of a tidal force, rather than the force itself. Here's my reasoning:

1. Battlefield tidal forces: Russia, even after retreating from Kyiv, maintained a significant numerical advantage in terms of artillery and the ability to launch massive "fires" at a town or area to push Ukrainian forces back. The Russkies didn't care if they obliterated everything, they'd roll in and take possession of the ruins. Even with advantages in morale and competence, Ukrainian forces were fighting against the tidal force of massed artillery, and similar weapons systems. The fact they (Ukraine) were able to force a de facto stalemate is a huge credit to them.

The tide on the battlefield shifted with the introduction of HIMARS and other precision and long-range Western systems. Ukraine has been able to disrupt Russian logistics by hitting ammo dumps and fuel depots while staying out of range of Russian guns. The fact that Russian logistics are mostly railroad dependent means those weapons and fuel caches aren't that hard to locate. And if Russian forces try to spread them out that makes their logistics chain less efficient, and slower. Since the introduction of HIMARS, the M777, HARMs, etc. , Russia has been on the back foot and unable to mount any significant offensive actions. Ukraine is now on the front foot, as evidenced by both Kherson and Kharkhiv fronts, and Russia is on the defensive. Mobilization is Russia's attempt to turn the tide but, IMO, it's probably too little, and too late, and has negative consequences that affect other (non-battlefield) tidal forces.

2. Economic tidal forces: People can debate the efficacy of sanctions, and they're certainly in a constant state of enforcement vs evasion flux, but I would argue that the only proof that matters is what translates to the battlefield. Between formal (govt imposed) and informal (private company decisions) sanctions, I've seen no evidence of a shift in the prevailing tide, which is against Russia. Any money Putin may have from oil and gas sales does not seem to have translated into material benefits on the battlefield. And the mobilization, as I mentioned in #1 (above) has unintended negative consequences for the economy. By taking hundreds of thousands of working-age men out of the economy, compounded by hundreds of thousands more who have fled to avoid conscription, there will be nasty domino-effect cascades that we haven't yet begun to see. The fact the Russian economy hasn't collapsed is not the real issue. They're resilient and resourceful and I'm sure they'll find a way to muddle through. But the key point is that they haven't been able to stop their deteriorating position on the battlefield. And the pattern of losses is bound to be detrimental to the national morale and psyche.

I'm sure some will rush to point out Putin's weaponization of energy and how Europe will be affected this winter. While I don't have a crystal ball, I'd simply note that Europe has remained remarkably unified while Putin has increasingly made negotiations a non-starter. By continually ramping up the threats and showing no reluctance to shut off oil and gas flows, Russia has shown itself to be an untrustworthy bully. The only point of a negotiation is if there's confidence that agreements would be respected and that the bully wouldn't simply resume aggression in the future. Ukraine certainly has no confidence and, just as importantly, neither do the Baltics, Poland, and other significant countries. So I expect Europe will muddle through their own set of issues this winter. And, while tides can always change, I see no evidence that's happening at this time.

3. Demographic tidal forces: The brain drain that was already happening has been exacerbated by even more Russians fleeing conscription. Unrest and resentment is increasing in regions which are not ethnically Russian, like Dagestan. And millions who were previously able to ignore the "Special Military Operation" are now having to worry about their family members being sent to war. If Russia was being invaded, or if they were winning the war, they could probably be successful in creating a positive feeling in the population. But neither of those conditions holds true, which means that negative sentiment, unrest, and population outflow, are likely to continue. It's also worth noting that Russian state media, and pro-Russian social channels, have turned negative and taken to finger-pointing and blaming various figures (usually military) for failures, which probably has an amplifying effect on any negative sentiment in the population.

4. Geopolitical tidal forces: Russia has continued down the path of national isolation and even supposed "friends," like China and India, are (mildly) supportive in word rather than deed. They see Russia losing and want to maintain enough distance to avoid getting pulled down (or in). The CSTO has crumbled as Azerbaijan vs Armenia and Tajikistan vs Kyrgyzstan conflicts arise without Moscow having the ability to influence matters. Kazakhstan has cozied up to China and has openly defied Putin, refusing to acknowledge the annexation of Ukrainian territories. In fact, IIRC, only North Korea has given such acknowledgement. Even China and India have remained silent, while Turkey has openly condemned it. It's obvious to all who aren't Putin sycophants that Russia has lost influence, respect, and has retained only a fraction of it's former geopolitical position. That's a tidal force that's unlikely to change for years, or decades, if ever.

I'm sure others can add to the list above, or argue the validity of various points, so knock yourselves out. But I wanted to make this post now because it's very possible that Putin, depending on how he chooses to respond to the attack on the Kerch Strait bridge, may turn some (or all) of those tidal forces into raging cascades. Stay tuned!I can't disagree with much of what you wrote here. I took a break from this thread because there wasn't much new being said. You still have the Russian fanboys still spreading nonsense here.

I think we knew back this summer the Ukrainians with Western weapons could defend themselves. I am somewhat surprised how much success the Ukrainians have had in such a short time. Besides the Western weapons, it seems that Ukraine's Western-influenced military strategy is far superior to Russia's strategic capabilities. Of course whether it be war or business, if you don't have the resources (effective weapons) and effective implementation the strategy is likely moot. That's not to mention underestimating your opponent and having a complete lack of understanding of the battlefield.

As many commentators have noted, we are in a very dangerous stage in the war. Russian defeats triggering Putin to just destroy things in response. The Russian military (as any large military) is very capable at destruction. You mentioned the Kerch Bridge and the likelihood of Putin's "raging cascades". No surprise that is what we got this week.

I'm sure some of you realize we are in a very different asymmetric war. One where both parties are acting with some restraint in their offensive strikes. Now we have the larger party in this war increasingly becoming less restrained. The smaller party can attack, but risks attacking their opponent too deep.

I now don't see an off-ramp for Russia (Putin) through negotiation. That option seems to becoming more and more of an impossibility. Perhaps the only real resolution to the conflict comes from Putin being deposed by the Russians themselves. Clearly, engaging in a war with an autocratic leader who realizes he has nothing to lose puts us in a very dangerous place.

Maybe I'm optimistic, but I long for one of those deals where a peaceful retirement is negotiated with a failing autocrat. Basically, Putin can take some of his loot and run off to some neutral country that would agree to have you. That's not to say some Russian government of the near future doesn't send some agents to perform a Trotsky on him.

[Anaximander]

Hi folks,

Heading to Kyiv for business. Anyone know of any freelance secretaries / translators (don't have to be 100% fluent in English)/ general fixers / helpers?

Please post here or DM!

Thanks,

AX.

[Xpartan]

You are correct, but Ukraine's government is not much better. Ukraine is almost as corrupt as Russia, in something probably more corrupt. Sorry, Ukraine government is horrible, maybe they will change, but I have my doubts.You keep saying how horrible Ukrainian government is. Apparently it isn't as corrupt or as terrible since they've been beating the living shit out of the "second world army" for 7 months. Apparently, if they had been AS corrupt and AS terrible as you claim them to be, they would've just taken the Russian money and handed their country to Putin on a silver platter (as he expected they would). Apparently if Zelensky had been AS corrupt AS you make him to be, he would've cared first and foremost about saving his ass and would've caved in or at least taken the flight to safety when it was offered by the Americans.

That being said, corruption has nothing to do with the negotiation you're demanding. Despite what has been said a thousand times by me and other people, you simply refuse to understand that any negotiation with Putin doesn't make any sense because Putin won't adhere to any agreement or treaty he signs today, in his day of weakness. Why is it so hard for you to understand that Putin has already violated every single agreement he has signed with or in regard to Ukraine to this day?

[VinDici]

Hi folks,

Heading to Kyiv for business. Anyone know of any freelance secretaries / translators (don't have to be 100% fluent in English)/ general fixers / helpers?

Please post here or DM!

Thanks,

AX.I know one, if you can purchase the right to send a DM, then I can share details.

[VinDici]

You are correct, but Ukraine's government is not much better. Ukraine is almost as corrupt as Russia, in something probably more corrupt. Sorry, Ukraine government is horrible, maybe they will change, but I have my doubts.I think we can safely say that after watching the performance of the RU military, and seeing what has happened in the background, as well as all the mysterious deaths of oligarchs and officials that oppose the war. To say that the level of corruption in UA is more corrupt is quite frankly ridiculous.

UA has some serious problems with corruption, however it is nowhere near on the level of RU.

[Chicago85]

Let's not oversimplify. That "planning for every possible scenario" thingy -- I'm very skeptical. For one thing, I'm not at all convinced NATO will act quickly and decisively if Putin drops a tactical nuke on Ukraine. Even if they suddenly decide they've got balls, there will be quite a few logistical challenges.
...
That said, we still have to press ahead supporting Ukraine, no matter what. I just hope you're right and Nato is prepared for whatever lies ahead.Agree with everything you wrote and points #1 to #4 are excellent. I think NATO will be prepared, the question is NATO's will to execute, particularly at the individual country level. I believe the considerations for a country like Estonia will be much different from France, or Turkey, or the US. These will include considerations for soldiers to be lost, proximity to Russia, arms cost, economic impact and potential radiation. Some countries like Poland and Baltics are chomping at the bit to fight, most others have a less aggressive stance.

[DramaFree11]

I think we can safely say that after watching the performance of the RU military, and seeing what has happened in the background, as well as all the mysterious deaths of oligarchs and officials that oppose the war. To say that the level of corruption in UA is more corrupt is quite frankly ridiculous.

UA has some serious problems with corruption, however it is nowhere near on the level of RU.You are correct, I should have said before Covid and the War. Russia was great place and highly functioning. Ukraine was dump. Unfortunately, as a result of the war we will probably end up with 2 screwed up countries instead of one. Not to mention the world economy.

Putin definitely needs to go, he has really screwed things up, for the entire world not just Ukraine and Russia. Time will tell if this war was worth it and maybe both countries will get their acts together, I have my doubts. Many political leaders wanted this war, now they have their wish.

[WyattEarp]

You are correct, I should have said before Covid and the War. Russia was great place and highly functioning.I have always heard (including from here) that Moscow and Saint Petersburg were the only nice and highly functioning cities in Russia and the USSR before that. Other Russian cities are suppose to be dumps. Kiev could have been held back by the Soviet planners.

I just think we need to stand back and look at the bigger picture.

[Jmsuttr]

Hi folks,

Heading to Kyiv for business. Anyone know of any freelance secretaries / translators (don't have to be 100% fluent in English)/ general fixers / helpers?

Please post here or DM!.If recent days have demonstrated anything, it's that all of Ukraine is a war zone. In fact, the worse Putin's forces do on the actual battlefield, the greater the chance he'll launch missiles or drone-bombs at civilian areas.

Now, it's certainly true that the deaths and casualties from such attacks are usually somewhere in the double digits. But it's also true that each of those killed is 100% dead. It's rather like Russian Roulette (pun intended) in that the odds may be in your favor but the negative consequences, should they happen, are catastrophic. And it really doesn't matter much what the supposed targets are because many of the missiles and drones aren't that precise, or they land off-target as Ukrainian defenses try to shoot them down. You could be in a residential or office building, in a park, in a restaurant, or simply on the street. One moment all is fine. The next moment everything goes black (forever).

If you're working for yourself, then that's a scenario in which you assume the risk for yourself. But, if an employer is knowingly (or unthinkingly) sending you into a war zone, then shame on them.

I personally wouldn't engage in discretionary travel to Ukraine until a real cessation of hostilities takes place. And I sure as hell wouldn't send someone for whom I'm responsible (as a manager, owner, or otherwise). But that's just me.

[Xpartan]

Agree with everything you wrote and points #1 to #4 are excellent. I think NATO will be prepared.And we have the answer.


European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell also warned Putin not to cross that threshold. “Any nuclear attack against Ukraine will create an answer, not a nuclear answer but such a powerful answer from the military side that the Russian Army will be annihilated,” he said in a speech in Bruges, Belgium.https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nato-holds-nuclear-talks-amid-war-tensions-putin-91429572

This is specific enough for me. Ballsy too. I'll happily eat crow.


I have always heard (including from here) that Moscow and Saint Petersburg were the only nice and highly functioning cities in Russia and the USSR before that. Other Russian cities are suppose to be dumps. Kiev could have been held back by the Soviet planners.

I just think we need to stand back and look at the bigger picture.Not quite. It's been a very very long time since I was in Russia, but I would add Kazan, Yekaterinburg and perhaps Irkutsk to the list of cities worth visiting for sightseeing or more horizontal activities. Sochi should also be beautiful now after they got a lift before the Olympics as long as you shrug off their "Caucasian Riviera" shtick. Of course, I doubt I'll ever be willing to set my foot in that country again no matter how functional or monger-worthy their cities are, but that's another story.

[DramaFree11]

I have always heard (including from here) that Moscow and Saint Petersburg were the only nice and highly functioning cities in Russia and the USSR before that. Other Russian cities are suppose to be dumps. Kiev could have been held back by the Soviet planners.

I just think we need to stand back and look at the bigger picture.Russia was amazing, before the war and Covid. The guys that wrote that the only 2 cities that are nice are St. Pet. And Moscow. These guys hate Russia.

Russia and the people are not the issue. The problem is Putin and yes, he needs to go.

[Riina]

, he needs to go.The clown needs to go.

[DramaFree11]

The clown needs to go.Sorry, you are the one that has been spreading lies about Ukraine for years. You and couple of your crazy ass friends should be ashamed of yourselves. Kiev has been dead for girls for almost 10 years now, but you guys keep lying. Yes, Russia was a great place before Covid, unfortunately that ship had sailed and yes, Kiev was a shit show.

Guys read your crazy ass posts and booked trips as a result. You and your buddies should be ashamed of yourself.

Ukraine might actually get a 3rd or 4th chance to straighten out there country, but I am sure they will screw it up as always. Try be honest and post a really report about Ukraine was, instead of this fantasy world you and your looser friends live in.

[VinDici]

The clown needs to go.Could not agree more!

[Xpartan]

Russia was amazing, before the war and Covid. The guys that wrote that the only 2 cities that are nice are St. Pet. And Moscow. These guys hate Russia.

Russia and the people are not the issue. The problem is Putin and yes, he needs to go.Well, I don't know if "amazing" isn't an overstatement.

Are you well-traveled? What other mongering destinations have you been to. I mean if you compare the "used-to-be Russia" to the dreadful mongering scene in America I can understand.

Otherwise? Yes, young Russian girls can be model quality (I emphasize "young" because Russian women don't usually age gracefully). And yes, they know how to dress. But Russia has always been overpriced, especially Moscow. SP was a little better, but, strangely, more interior cities were a mixed bag. So if we are talking about Moscow, what made it better than other overpriced European capitals? I just came from Lisbon. There is a thriving mongering scene there, and while it's still a bit pricey for my tastes, it's cheaper than Moscow 15 years ago.

In terms of your other sentiment, I'm sorry but the Russian people are the ones who are fanning this war. Some of them might live without running water, but they totally share their chieftain's imperial ambitions. Blaming this despicable crime on one, even very bad man is an extreme simplification and wishful thinking, nothing else.

[Paulie97]

Well, I don't know if "amazing" isn't an overstatement.

Are you well-traveled? What other mongering destinations have you been to.LOL Drama Queen hasn't traveled beyond his mother's basement except to walk up to the kitchen for a free meal. He claimed to have gone to Medellin, Colombia and found it full of "fat chicks. " What he failed to realize, having never been there, is that the city is full of fitness freaks and people obsessed with their appearance while obesity is hardly seen. He was confusing Medellin with what he read about Mexican border towns.

In any case, he hasn't been to Ukraine or Russia or even Europe so don't interact with him on that level. He's only here to recycle what he heard on Tucker Carlson or like blogs that pitch sucking up to Russia and simpleton America First hogwash to poorly educated Americans and Euros. And he likely has more than one handle here.

[DramaFree11]

LOL Drama Queen hasn't traveled beyond his mother's basement except to walk up to the kitchen for a free meal. He claimed to have gone to Medellin, Colombia and found it full of "fat chicks. " What he failed to realize, having never been there, is that the city is full of fitness freaks and people obsessed with their appearance while obesity is hardly seen. He was confusing Medellin with what he read about Mexican border towns.

In any case, he hasn't been to Ukraine or Russia or even Europe so don't interact with him on that level. He's only here to recycle what he heard on Tucker Carlson or like blogs that pitch sucking up to Russia and simpleton America First hogwash to poorly educated Americans and Euros. And he likely has more than one handle here.Pauline you live in Fantasy world. You fit in perfectly with the clowns that say Kiev has been a great place for mongering for the last 5 years. You are correct, I wish I never went to MDE, it is a total shit show. Fat chicks, drugs, violence and horrible food, I guess that is paradise.

[Riina]

So if we are talking about Moscow, what made it better than other overpriced European capitals? I just came from Lisbon. There is a thriving mongering scene there, and while it's still a bit pricey for my tastes, it's cheaper than Moscow 15 years ago.
Lisbon is a Western city. Mongering there is very transactional. Kiev and Moscow are different. The doors are wide open to unique experiences and sugar daddy stuff.

[LuvMexicanas]

LOL Drama Queen hasn't traveled beyond his mother's basement except to walk up to the kitchen for a free meal. He claimed to have gone to Medellin, Colombia and found it full of "fat chicks. " What he failed to realize, having never been there, is that the city is full of fitness freaks and people obsessed with their appearance while obesity is hardly seen. He was confusing Medellin with what he read about Mexican border towns.

In any case, he hasn't been to Ukraine or Russia or even Europe so don't interact with him on that level. He's only here to recycle what he heard on Tucker Carlson or like blogs that pitch sucking up to Russia and simpleton America First hogwash to poorly educated Americans and Euros. And he likely has more than one handle here.He's a compulsive liar. He's posted in the past that he's lived in Ukraine twice and in another another post he claimed three times. Who the fuck confuses the number of times they lived in a foreign country? No one. He also lied about visiting Tijuana 20-30 times during the first year of the pandemic despite how easy it is to see his own post history debunks his claim. He constantly bags on Colombia where I doubt he's ever been. His posts consist of generalities or info anyone could regurgitate from reading ISG.

[VinDici]

You fit in perfectly with the clowns that say Kiev has been a great place for mongering for the last 5 years.The clown is you. Any time people talk about enjoying the Kyiv experience, your comments often put down the whole scene. We get it, you liked it before, but many of us have had a great time there in recent years, accept it and move on.

[DramaFree11]

The clown is you. Any time people talk about enjoying the Kyiv experience, your comments often put down the whole scene. We get it, you liked it before, but many of us have had a great time there in recent years, accept it and move on.Wrong!! I would not criticize someone for having fun, if they write an accurate report. Rog. And his band of brothers have been lying and exaggerating for years, why stop now. If you have actually been to Kiev and read their reports you would understand this.

[Chicago85]

Pauline you live in Fantasy world. You fit in perfectly with the clowns that say Kiev has been a great place for mongering for the last 5 years. You are correct, I wish I never went to MDE, it is a total shit show. Fat chicks, drugs, violence and horrible food, I guess that is paradise.Checking in from the Medellin Forum. You clearly haven't been there. Like EVER. LOL. It's the exact opposite of what you're suggesting. With the possible exception of the food. And I would not say it's 'horrible' it simply lacks imagination and spices.

Hopefully your mom can afford cable next year. I'm sure the basement is pretty boring given your need to make up stories.

[DramaFree11]

Checking in from the Medellin Forum. You clearly haven't been there. Like EVER. LOL. It's the exact opposite of what you're suggesting. With the possible exception of the food. And I would not say it's 'horrible' it simply lacks imagination and spices.

Hopefully your mom can afford cable next year. I'm sure the basement is pretty boring given your need to make up stories.Mxico is so much better then Colombia, sorry. We can agree on the bad food.

[Chicago85]

Mxico is so much better then Colombia, sorry. We can agree on the bad food.Very good, agree to disagree. If you ever give Colombia a shot again shoot me a DM and I'll share my thoughts and / or guide you myself.

I do agree that Mexico, particularly Mexico City can be great for the hobby and food, history, and sophistication more interesting in many ways.

[Xpartan]

Lisbon is a Western city. Mongering there is very transactional. Kiev and Moscow are different. The doors are wide open to unique experiences and sugar daddy stuff.Sugar daddy stuff? You're calling that unique?

OK, fine, I don't care. I'm glad you had your fun whatever it is.

Just stop blaming the victim that the fun is no longer there.

[Riina]

Sugar daddy stuff? You're calling that unique?

OK, fine, I don't care. I'm glad you had your fun whatever it is.

Just stop blaming the victim that the fun is no longer there.Wasn't even a political comment. You really are a troll.

[DramaFree11]

He's a compulsive liar. He's posted in the past that he's lived in Ukraine twice and in another another post he claimed three times. Who the fuck confuses the number of times they lived in a foreign country? No one. He also lied about visiting Tijuana 20-30 times during the first year of the pandemic despite how easy it is to see his own post history debunks his claim. He constantly bags on Colombia where I doubt he's ever been. His posts consist of generalities or info anyone could regurgitate from reading ISG.L. Mudd. Now I see you are asking for advice about Laredo, you can not go much lower. Laredo is truly the bottom of the barrel, but Laredo is probably High Class for you. Maybe, Pauline and some of the other clowns you hang out with can meet you Laredo, Hell maybe you guys can have a reunion and write bad posts. You are an expert on being cheap and making shit up.

You would fit in perfectly with the guys that lie about Kiev, I doubt you have ever been to either Kiev or Moscow, but why would that stop you.

I see you where CDMX, when I was there, of course you never took my invitation to meet, just like Pauline. You prefer to just make shit up about me. I am in MTY or CDMX every 10 days you and your loser friends can meet me anytime. It is really amazing how you get away with the stuff you say, it makes you wonder.

[LuvMexicanas]

L. Mudd. Now I see you are asking for advice about Laredo, you can not go much lower. Laredo is truly the bottom of the barrel, but Laredo is probably High Class for you. Maybe, Pauline and some of the other clowns you hang out with can meet you Laredo, Hell maybe you guys can have a reunion and write bad posts. You are an expert on being cheap and making shit up.

You would fit in perfectly with the guys that lie about Kiev, I doubt you have ever been to either Kiev or Moscow, but why would that stop you.

I see you where CDMX, when I was there, of course you never took my invitation to meet, just like Pauline. You prefer to just make shit up about me. I am in MTY or CDMX every 10 days you and your loser friends can meet me anytime. It is really amazing how you get away with the stuff you say, it makes you wonder.Classic DramaFreak reaction to lash out with a bunch of tangential shit to divert attention from his past lies.

[DramaFree11]

Classic DramaFreak reaction to lash out with a bunch of tangential shit to divert attention from his past lies.You are truly a bottom feeder, hanging out in Laredo. Have you ever been to Moscow or Ukraine, I highly doubt you are too cheap.

[DramaFree11]

Very good, agree to disagree. If you ever give Colombia a shot again shoot me a DM and I'll share my thoughts and / or guide you myself.

I do agree that Mexico, particularly Mexico City can be great for the hobby and food, history, and sophistication more interesting in many ways.Thank you for the invite that is very nice. Best of luck. I am super happy in CDMX and MTY, no need to change. I miss Tijuana, but travel costs have went up dramatically from.

Texas.

[LuvMexicanas]

You are truly a bottom feeder, hanging out in Laredo. Have you ever been to Moscow or Ukraine, I highly doubt you are too cheap.I was in the area for other reasons and took the opportunity to check it out. It's a one time thing to cross it off the list of the many border towns that exist, but you'll be a liar for life. When were you last in Ukraine to where you speak with so much authority on it?

[Sorbonne]

Wrong!! I would not criticize someone for having fun, if they write an accurate report. Rog. And his band of brothers have been lying and exaggerating for years, why stop now. If you have actually been to Kiev and read their reports you would understand this.If one has truly a great time, in Kyiv or otherwise, I'm not sure if he would report the details here.

I haven't. I think we want to keep it secret.

Sure, Kiev was better 10 years ago and more. It was great in 2008-2009.

But as I gained more skills there, my experience improved. So for me the best time was 2018-2019.

So sad, it might be forever gone now.

[Shevchenko]

Your "sympathy" is not required. I think you do. You need sympathy, or to be more precise, love.

Just like what Osama bin Laden needed was love.

That's the way to get rid of hate.


Save it for some stray dog in one of your drug addled cities. I did.

[The Cane]

Another one bites the dust! Hey, hey, hey another one bites the dust!

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/31/oligarch-renounces-tinkov-russian-citizenship-ukraine-war

[Xpartan]

Bucha was only one of many killing sites left by the Russian troops in their hasty retreat, but it was the first one. And the one that's been studied extensively.

One of the units that committed war crimes in Bucha was the 64th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade. In April 2022, the brigade received the honorary guards status from Putin for the job well done.

The film is difficult to watch, just a fair warning.

https://apnews.com/article/bucha-ukraine-war-cleansing-investigation-43e5a9538e9ba68a035756b05028b8b4


The first man arrived at 7:27 a.m. Russian soldiers covered his head and marched him up the driveway toward a nondescript office building.

Two minutes later, a pleading, gagged voice pierced the morning stillness. Then the merciless reply: Talk! Talk, f--ing mother-f--er!

The women and children came later, gripping hastily packed bags, their pet dogs in tow.

It was a cold, gray morning, March 4 in Bucha, Ukraine. Crows cawed. By nightfall, at least nine men would walk to their deaths at 144 Yablunska street, a building complex that Russians turned into a headquarters and the nerve center of violence that would shock the world.

Later, when all the bodies were found strewn along the streets and packed in hasty graves, it would be easy to think the carnage was random. Residents asking how this happened would be told to make their peace, because some questions just dont have answers.

Yet there was a method to the violence.

What happened that day in Bucha was what Russian soldiers on intercepted phone conversations called zachistka cleansing. The Russians hunted people on lists prepared by their intelligence services and went door to door to identify potential threats. Those who didnt pass this filtration, including volunteer fighters and civilians suspected of assisting Ukrainian troops, were tortured and executed, surveillance video, audio intercepts and interviews show.

The Associated Press and the PBS series Frontline obtained surveillance camera footage from Bucha that shows, for the first time, what a cleansing operation in Ukraine looks like. This was organized brutality that would be repeated at scale in Russian-occupied territories across Ukraine a strategy to neutralize resistance and terrorize locals into submission that Russian troops have used in past conflicts, notably Chechnya.

[DramaFree11]

Bucha was only one of many killing sites left by the Russian troops in their hasty retreat, but it was the first one. And the one that's been studied extensively.

One of the units that committed war crimes in Bucha was the 64th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade. In April 2022, the brigade received the honorary guards status from Putin for the job well done.

The film is difficult to watch, just a fair warning.

https://apnews.com/article/bucha-ukraine-war-cleansing-investigation-43e5a9538e9ba68a035756b05028b8b4XMan war is Hell and people die. This is what happens, both parties are guilty. These guys need to find some middle ground and reach a settlement.

Yes, Putin is horrible guy, he will not quit and good luck prosecuting war criminals, unless we invade Russia.

And that is not going to happen unless Putin nukes Ukraine.

I am in Mexico City having fun, you should do the the same.

[Xpartan]

XMan war is Hell and people die. This is what happens, both parties are guilty. These guys need to find some middle ground and reach a settlement.

Yes, Putin is horrible guy, he will not quit and good luck prosecuting war criminals, unless we invade Russia.

And that is not going to happen unless Putin nukes Ukraine.

I am in Mexico City having fun, you should do the the same.You're saying "war is hell" as if it's a natural disaster like earthquake. It's not. Wars are started by people (or monsters in this particular case).

But then you attempt to qualify by stating " both parties are guilty. " That's an outrageous falsehood, but at least it explains your rather detached "war is hell" cliche. No, Drama, both parties are not guilty. Only one party is guilty. Putin is the aggressor while Ukraine is being attacked. Lumping together an aggressor and the victim is the dumbest thing you could've done.

[DramaFree11]

You're saying "war is hell" as if it's a natural disaster like earthquake. It's not. Wars are started by people (or monsters in this particular case).

But then you attempt to qualify by stating " both parties are guilty. " That's an outrageous falsehood, but at least it explains your rather detached "war is hell" cliche. No, Drama, both parties are not guilty. Only one party is guilty. Putin is the aggressor while Ukraine is being attacked. Lumping together an aggressor and the victim is the dumbest thing you could've done.Both parties are guilty. You live in a fantasy world. You guys wanted a war and bad things happen during wars. Yes, Pres. Z is guilty of war crimes, not as bad a Putin, but nevertheless crimes.

The funny thing is, I have talked about negotiating and finding a solution, you and your crazy ass friends want this to continue. The world is going into a recession and Europe is about to freeze there ass off this winter, I guess this is what you wanted. All this could have been prevented.

[VinDici]

XMan war is Hell and people die. This is what happens, both parties are guilty. These guys need to find some middle ground and reach a settlement.In the context of the Bucha massacre, can you please clarify what you mean by "both parties are guilty"?

[Xpartan]

Both parties are guilty. You live in a fantasy world. You guys wanted a war and bad things happen during wars. Yes, Pres. Z is guilty of war crimes, not as bad a Putin, but nevertheless crimes.

The funny thing is, I have talked about negotiating and finding a solution, you and your crazy ass friends want this to continue. The world is going into a recession and Europe is about to freeze there ass off this winter, I guess this is what you wanted. All this could have been prevented.Sure. Just double down on every idiotic notion in your repertoire. There's no better way to win an argument, right?

And your "you guys wanted a war" is simply priceless. Well done!

[DramaFree11]

Sure. Just double down on every idiotic notion in your repertoire. There's no better way to win an argument, right?

And your "you guys wanted a war" is simply priceless. Well done!Yep, you guys wanted a war and now deal with consequences. Maybe the Euros, Pres. Z. , Bidden and the rest of your liberal buddies might have thought this out.

[Hestendk]

Both parties are guilty. You live in a fantasy world. You guys wanted a war and bad things happen during wars. Yes, Pres. Z is guilty of war crimes, not as bad a Putin, but nevertheless crimes.

The funny thing is, I have talked about negotiating and finding a solution, you and your crazy ass friends want this to continue. The world is going into a recession and Europe is about to freeze there ass off this winter, I guess this is what you wanted. All this could have been prevented.Could you please let us know what Warcrimes Zelinsky has ordered?

Europe will not freeze this winter, the Gas stocks are full most places, so this will not be an problem.

What solution you want?

Yes he can move his orcs back to russia anno 2014 and then we can talk.

Else there is nothing else to Burn the Orcs again and again.

[Xpartan]

Yep, you guys wanted a war and now deal with consequences. Maybe the Euros, Pres. Z. , Bidden and the rest of your liberal buddies might have thought this out.Who are "you guys"? Don't hold back, be specific.

[VinDici]

Yep, you guys wanted a war and now deal with consequences. Maybe the Euros, Pres. Z. , Bidden and the rest of your liberal buddies might have thought this out.No one wanted a war except Putin, remember when head of state, after head of state tried to de-escalate. Putin claimed he would never invade, and then did it anyway.

[DramaFree11]

No one wanted a war except Putin, remember when head of state, after head of state tried to de-escalate. Putin claimed he would never invade, and then did it anyway.Just not true. Biden and the Euro's have done nothing to deescalate the war. If they really wanted to win, for starters we could start producing oil, but that makes too much sense.

They are just now starting to talk about making Pres. Z. to negotiate. This should have been going on months ago. Again Ukraine might actually win the war, but end up with nothing. A country destroyed, the Infrastructure is in ruins, a large number of the population will be dead, crippled, and the smart ones left the country never to return. I am sorry this is not winning.

[The Cane]

The Ruskies have fled from Kherson! Where is "Pedro Immorales" now (and the rest of the Kremlin trolls) talking a bunch of bullshit about the Ruskies winning the war LOLOLOL! The third major land battle defeat for "Pewtin". And at sea? Ruskie warship go fuck yourself LMAO! What a major cluster fuck of a disaster by Russia's two-bit dictator of a "leader"! Hahaha! We stand with Ukraine!

[Hestendk]

Just not true. Biden and the Euro's have done nothing to deescalate the war. If they really wanted to win, for starters we could start producing oil, but that makes too much sense.

They are just now starting to talk about making Pres. Z. to negotiate. This should have been going on months ago. Again Ukraine might actually win the war, but end up with nothing. A country destroyed, the Infrastructure is in ruins, a large number of the population will be dead, crippled, and the smart ones left the country never to return. I am sorry this is not winning.You newer negotiate before you have a good standpoint, NEWER.

Ukraine is far from destroyed.

Less then 3% of the population if we take the worst case scenario.

Smart ones left the country?

Have you ever been in ukraine, the smart ones are still here, and the ones that left will return many of them.

You lack basic knowledge on the Ukrain people, you think of them as russians.

[DeathPoet]

Just not true. Biden and the Euro's have done nothing to deescalate the war. If they really wanted to win, for starters we could start producing oil, but that makes too much sense.

They are just now starting to talk about making Pres. Z. to negotiate. This should have been going on months ago. Again Ukraine might actually win the war, but end up with nothing. A country destroyed, the Infrastructure is in ruins, a large number of the population will be dead, crippled, and the smart ones left the country never to return. I am sorry this is not winning.You realize that Kiev was the one that started fucking up Crimea right? Or are you not able to remember past the last thing CNN told you? And there's a reason the Azoff Battalion uses Nazi imagery on their standards. The only reason the West is involved is to stop Putin from getting his hands on all the records of their money laundering AND to fight BRIC which once it gets going will start fucking up the Euro / Dollar immediately.

[Xpartan]

You newer negotiate before you have a good standpoint, NEWER.

Ukraine is far from destroyed.

Less then 3% of the population if we take the worst case scenario.

Smart ones left the country?

Have you ever been in Ukraine, the smart ones are still here, and the ones that left will return many of them.

You lack basic knowledge on the Ukraine people, you think of them as Russians.Drama loves Russia and hates Ukraine. There can't be any other explanations for all that gibberish he's spewing around here.

Whether or not he gets paid for loving Russia and hating Ukraine I don't know but, either way, no one is that stupid.

[DramaFree11]

You newer negotiate before you have a good standpoint, NEWER.

Ukraine is far from destroyed.

Less then 3% of the population if we take the worst case scenario.

Smart ones left the country?

Have you ever been in ukraine, the smart ones are still here, and the ones that left will return many of them.

You lack basic knowledge on the Ukrain people, you think of them as russians.Completely false you should always negotiate. You are wrong about just the large number that fled over the last 10-15 years, maybe a small portion returned. Ukraine is screwed either way.

[VinDici]

Just not true. Biden and the Euro's have done nothing to deescalate the war. If they really wanted to win, for starters we could start producing oil, but that makes too much sense.

They are just now starting to talk about making Pres. Z. to negotiate. This should have been going on months ago. Again Ukraine might actually win the war, but end up with nothing. A country destroyed, the Infrastructure is in ruins, a large number of the population will be dead, crippled, and the smart ones left the country never to return. I am sorry this is not winning.There was absolutely no reason to start a war, Russia's territorial integrity has never been threatened. They have strategic nukes.

To win we need to move away from reliance on dictators and that means moving to nuclear and renewables. Which BTW most of Europe is doing thanks to the Orcs.

The infra is in ruins because the dirty orcs are targeting it, in direct violation of the Geneva convention, since these are not military targets and affect civilians primarily.

The smart ones are leaving Russia not Ukraine. Meanwhile, the dirty orcs are stealing the children of Ukraine.

Russia WILL lose this war and the way it is going, it seems more and more likely that the actual Federation will break up. What an own goal that will be.

Why would UA come to the negotiating table when the dirty orcs are focusing artillery on civilian infrastructure, will only regroup to attack later, have kidnapped Ukrainian children and forced them into dirty orc foster homes. Not to mention that UA is absolutely kicking RU's ass. With that kind of initiative, and the absolute shambles of a shitshow that is the army of dirty orcs, that also needs lines to shoot their own deserters, why would UA even consider discussions?

UA has been clear with their preconditions, RU should accept them, get the fuck out, and deal with the domestic mess they themselves created.

[Hestendk]

Completely false you should always negotiate. You are wrong about just the large number that fled over the last 10-15 years, maybe a small portion returned. Ukraine is screwed either way.Most of the people who fled after 24 February will come back.

They don't have any other options, EU are not going to let them Immigrate to EU after the war.

Ukraine will have a Boom of jobs and rising middle class after the war.

When was you last time in Ukraine?

[WyattEarp]

Completely false you should always negotiate.The conundrum is what would you negotiate. Give the tiger a leg or an arm and hope he doesn't come back for more.

Hitler got Austria and Czechoslovakia and that wasn't the end. Do you really believe Putin would be satisfied with some Eastern pieces of the Ukraine.

There's an old axiom "you can't negotiate with crazy" for a reason.

I'm sure you might respond that the Ukraine and other former Soviet republics are not worth the West's support. The big picture is China is watching the West's resolve relative to their own designs on Taiwan.

[VinDici]

Most of the people who fled after 24 February will come back.

Ukraine will have a Boom of jobs and rising middle class after the war.Exactly, the allies have committed to some sort of Marshall Plan, there will be a lot of opportunity.

Ukrainians love their country, and if there is good work for them, they would rather be there.

[Xpartan]

One of the 100 missiles launched by the Russian aggressor today, hit Poland, a NATO member. Two farmers are dead.

As always, Russia has already blamed Ukraine for the attack. Just their usual dumb soundbites, nothing more.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

Perhaps, end-of-the-world interesting. Intentional or not, NATO can't let it slip. Just can't.

[Riina]

Looks like the biggest crooks on the planet are part of the biggest scam ever. Of course! Would not have expected anything less.

[DramaFree11]

One of the 100 missiles launched by the Russian aggressor today, hit Poland, a NATO member. Two farmers are dead.

As always, Russia has already blamed Ukraine for the attack. Just their usual dumb soundbites, nothing more.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

Perhaps, end-of-the-world interesting. Intentional or not, NATO can't let it slip. Just can't.Xman you are one twisted guy. I think you are honestly hoping for this to escalate.

[WyattEarp]

One of the 100 missiles launched by the Russian aggressor today, hit Poland, a NATO member. Two farmers are dead.

As always, Russia has already blamed Ukraine for the attack. Just their usual dumb soundbites, nothing more.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

Perhaps, end-of-the-world interesting. Intentional or not, NATO can't let it slip. Just can't.First, we now know the missile was a Ukrainian stray.

Second, we wouldn't launch a NATO retaliatory attack on Russia even if it was determined to be a Russian stray missile. A severe warning would be more appropriate. If there was anything else that could be embargoed, that would send a message. (Not sure there is anything left to embargo.) Perhaps, there is other forms of support that could be provided to the Ukraine if Russia crosses a line. It's all moot at this point.

[VinDici]

Looks like the biggest crooks on the planet are part of the biggest scam ever. Of course! Would not have expected anything less.What does this have to do with Kyiv?

[Golfinho]

Xman you are one twisted guy. I think you are honestly hoping for this to escalate.How many more Ukrainians have to be killed and driven off their homeland, I. E. Palestinianized, before Ukraine can be colonized into a reconstituted Khazaria?

[Golfinho]

Looks like the biggest crooks on the planet are part of the biggest scam ever. Of course! Would not have expected anything less.Laundering money stolen from his ponzi scheme to give to president ziostinklensky. Of course!

[Xpartan]

First, we now know the missile was a Ukrainian stray.

Second, we wouldn't launch a NATO retaliatory attack on Russia even if it was determined to be a Russian stray missile. A severe warning would be more appropriate. If there was anything else that could be embargoed, that would send a message. (Not sure there is anything left to embargo.) Perhaps, there is other forms of support that could be provided to the Ukraine if Russia crosses a line. It's all moot at this point.First, you're right. It was a Ukrainian missile that missed its target.

Second, really, crossing the line? Russia has crossed 1,000 and one lines and there have been an avalanche of severe warnings already. If anything, warnings only embolden Putin and create an illusion that no actions will follow. I would hope that if Russia does actually attack a NATO country in any way, shape or form, the block will respond with something more essential than yet another "warning". Not nuclear, but the complete annihilation of their Black Sea fleet would be a good start.

[Jmsuttr]

It's remarkable how little the conversation in this subforum has evolved over the past months. People still talking about, or obsessing over, pre-Feb 24th Ukraine and Russia as if either existed anymore. They don't, and they're not coming back.

Nobody who matters cares about past Ukrainian corruption and failings. And nobody who matters cares about what Russia was before. All that matters is now, and Putin tipped the scales against himself when he invaded, for which he's reaping the consequences. As far as peace plans are concerned, Ukraine is calling the shots by virtue of their battlefield successes. If Russia was winning, things might be different, but that's not the case. If the West doesn't have the balls to stand up to Putin, that's not a problem because Ukraine will do it. All the West needs to do is provide support. And the same lack of balls means the West won't cut off support as long as Ukraine keeps up the positive momentum. And the intensity of support by the Baltics, the Nordics, Poland, and others, more than offsets lukewarm sentiment elsewhere in Europe. The present course of things is likely to continue, barring either a game-changing event or an accumulation of tidal factors.

And things like the missile that hit Poland, whether Russian or Ukrainian, are better thought of as ripples or waves, since they're unlikely to have a lasting effect. Tidal forces are things like Ukraine's use of Western weapons to devastate Russian logistics (fuel, ammo, and other supplies). That leveled the playing field and resulted in Russia being unable to support their forces on the west bank of the Dnipro. Another tidal force is the lack of workers in Russia's defense industries caused by a combination of brain-drain emigration and mobilization. One estimate I read put the worker deficit at approx 400,000. Lack of skilled workers means battlefield losses can't be replaced quickly, if at all. And that isn't simply an issue for defense companies. Other industries also suffer from lack of skilled workers and shortages of parts and equipment. That's a slow cancer that probably won't show itself until things like trains and planes start failing.

Looking at the current state of affairs, there's a good probability the war continues to drag on through the winter. Russia's on the defensive and no longer controls the where, when, or tempo of battle. But they do benefit from sheer mass, which means that any degradation will be a lengthy process. Unless, of course, something happens internally that results in more rapid changes. Putin's death, or a coup, are two possible examples.

Whatever happens next, it will be dependent on the present situation, not the past. And anyone who wants to see it coming, even a little bit in advance, should focus on the tidal factors and avoid being distracted by every little ripple or wave.

P.S. It is nice to see that the worst of the Putin butt-boy trolls have fled. I guess even they couldn't keep pretending that failures were somehow victories. How embarrassing for them!

[Xpartan]

If the West doesn't have the balls to stand up to Putin, that's not a problem because Ukraine will do it. All the West needs to do is provide support. And the same lack of balls means the West won't cut off support as long as Ukraine keeps up the positive momentum. And the intensity of support by the Baltics, the Nordics, Poland, and others, more than offsets lukewarm sentiment elsewhere in Europe. The present course of things is likely to continue, barring either a game-changing event or an accumulation of tidal factors.

And things like the missile that hit Poland, whether Russian or Ukrainian, are better thought of as ripples or waves, since they're unlikely to have a lasting effect. Tidal forces are things like Ukraine's use of Western weapons to devastate Russian logistics (fuel, ammo, and other supplies). Yep, well put!