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'And the LORD said unto Vatniks, why are you so fucking stupid?I heard your brave leaders have been sending their sons to the front.
My last post dealt directly with your comment that I'm taking things too personally. In response I stated that, aside from all the analysis and reasoning about geopolitical and battlefield outcomes, there is a distinct and separate moral dimension that needs to be considered and addressed. And it's that dimension that explains my personal feelings of revulsion and outrage.
So, lets try this a second time, shall we? Here's a video interview of a Wagner mercenary who has returned to Russia from fighting in Ukraine. In the interview, he states (among other disclosures) that he was given explicit orders to kill civilians, including children. In one graphic passage, he talks about shooting a girl who was about 5 or 6 years of age. He killed her with a shot to the head.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1648013152414732288
Here's my challenge to you: Can you describe, in a simple single sentence, your reaction as a moral being to this (IMO) quintessential example of evil?
Please don't do yourself a disservice by engaging in some (for this particular moral issue) detached pundit-style discussion of a geopolitical or policy topic. It's a simple question that begs an equally simple answer.
Here's the bottom-line, IMO: Nobody knows how the war will end. Maybe Russia wins completely, maybe Ukraine wins completely, or maybe it'll be something in the middle. But that has NOTHING to do with recognizing evil when it's being perpetrated..You can frame the war as a black and white moral question. That's important. I can abhor the Russian atrocities and at the same time think about what the practical resolution to the hostilities might look like.
I am not criticizing Xpartan's post that followed your post, but it highlights the dilemma in thinking the United States and the West can fight every moral battle on the planet. The list he notes is long "Saudis, China, Venezuela and a litany of other "bad hombres" from Haiti to the "Stans". I could add some countries to that list, but that's not the point. The point is the you. S, and its European allies will support the cause of freedom and human rights. They will support those fighting tyranny and aggression. However, there will be accommodations with evil as there has been since 1945.
I too believe Putin was always going to attack, but I don't think he was looking for excuses. His excuses are ridiculous, clumsy and, quite frankly, insane. I think he attacked when he got to believe that his army was ready and Ukraine would fall apart the moment his tanks cross the border...........I agree with you that Putin was always going to attack the Ukraine. He believed his army was ready and it would be an easy victory.
I kind of think $100 a barrel oil early last year got Putin thinking he had the West in a precarious state. The West's need for oil and gas would outweigh its principle. Of course, it hasn't worked out that way. In Putin's mind, the timing was perfect.
You can frame the war as a black and white moral question. That's important. I can abhor the Russian atrocities and at the same time think about what the practical resolution to the hostilities might look like.
I am not criticizing Xpartan's post that followed your post, but it highlights the dilemma in thinking the United States and the West can fight every moral battle on the planet. The list he notes is long "Saudis, China, Venezuela and a litany of other "bad hombres" from Haiti to the "Stans". I could add some countries to that list, but that's not the point. The point is the you. S, and its European allies will support the cause of freedom and human rights. They will support those fighting tyranny and aggression. However, there will be accommodations with evil as there has been since 1945.You made a comment that, in your opinion, I'm taking the war too personally. The primary thrust of my response was NOT directed at the war, in a generalized sense, but rather at a SPECIFIC incident that I assert was an act of pure evil. And I asked you directly for your reaction to that specific act.
You can frame the war as a black and white moral question.You're substituting a more abstract and generalized view in lieu of the very specific question presented to you.
I am not criticizing Xpartan's post that followed your post, butWhy are you commenting about Xpartan's post in your response to mine? Whether or not you intended it, the only purpose this passage served was either as filler (kindest interpretation) or as misdirection (less kind interpretation), both of which allowed you to side-step answering the specific question posed to you.
Can you find the frankness needed to answer a simple question with an equally simple answer? Fuck the war, in its generalized and abstract sense, and fuck Realpolitik and similar issues. So, let's try this again. Will the third time be a charm, or a strikeout?
"Here's a video interview of a Wagner mercenary who has returned to Russia from fighting in Ukraine. In the interview, he states (among other disclosures) that he was given explicit orders to kill civilians, including children. In one graphic passage, he talks about shooting a girl who was about 5 or 6 years of age. He killed her with a shot to the head.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...13152414732288
Here's my challenge to you: Can you describe, in a simple single sentence, your reaction as a moral being to this (IMO) quintessential example of evil?
Please don't do yourself a disservice by engaging in some (for this particular moral issue) detached pundit-style discussion of a geopolitical or policy topic. It's a simple question that begs an equally simple answer".
To sum up, the ENTIRETY of this post deals solely with asking whether or not you would call the willful shooting of an innocent, defenseless young girl, an evil act.
If your moral compass says yes, then you've answered the question about why I have strong personal feelings.
If you can't (or won't) answer, or continue to seek refuge in "big picture"/ geopolitical / abstract concepts, that will be a profoundly disappointing development.
Duh, let's not get into details about the modified version of AA-13 Axehead. Today everyone asked about what was in common between Zed and Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China. Of course, both to share their funeral terracotta warriors. Trying to flush the drive of the image of schnorring Z, here's a nice triptych:
Duh, let's not get into details about the modified version of AA-13 Axehead. Today everyone asked about what was in common between Zed and Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China. Of course, both to share their funeral terracotta warriors. Trying to flush the drive of the image of schnorring Z, here's a nice triptych:Since Putin will be sucking it, no matter what, details really don't matter.
Except, of course, if Putin sucks it three times in a row. Would that then be characterized as a nice trip-dyck?
Oh, and Putin should count himself lucky that he's servicing Xi rather than Emperor Wun Fat Dong!
Vladimir Solovyov, an anchor on the Russia 1 channel, urged Carlson to "come join us," writing on his Telegram channel: "you don't have to be afraid of taking the p*** out of Biden here." Another message signed by his team on the nightly show said that the U.S. mainstream media "has lost its last remaining voice of reason."
"You have our admiration and support in any endeavor," it said in English, "be it running for president of the United States (which you should totally do, by the way) or making an independent media project."https://www.newsweek.com/carlson-russia-kremlin-media-fox-news-1796512
I think Tucker should totally go work for Russia -- overtly, this time.
Elvis 2008
04-27-23, 08:21
Since you're so eager to believe unverified anonymous info, here's some more for you to swallowYou do not know if Hersh has one or many sources. You just think your Democratic douche fact check is a source.
Of course, you have not read the article. No shock there. You did not even try to find it. Here it is: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream.
And here is a quotation of the story:
The Norwegian navy was quick to find the right spot, in the shallow waters of the Baltic sea a few miles off Denmark's Bornholm Island. The pipelines ran more than a mile apart along a seafloor that was only 260 feet deep. That would be well within the range of the divers, who, operating from a Norwegian Alta class mine hunter, would dive with a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and helium streaming from their tanks, and plant shaped C4 charges on the four pipelines with concrete protective covers. It would be tedious, time consuming and dangerous work, but the waters off Bornholm had another advantage: there were no major tidal currents, which would have made the task of diving much more difficult.
After a bit of research, the Americans were all in.
At this point, the Navy's obscure deep-diving group in Panama City once again came into play. The deep-sea schools at Panama City, whose trainees participated in Ivy Bells, are seen as an unwanted backwater by the elite graduates of the Naval Academy in Annapolis, who typically seek the glory of being assigned as a Seal, fighter pilot, or submariner. If one must become a "Black Shoe"that is, a member of the less desirable surface ship commandthere is always at least duty on a destroyer, cruiser or amphibious ship. The least glamorous of all is mine warfare. Its divers never appear in Hollywood movies, or on the cover of popular magazines.
End of link. There are a lot of facts there, and not one was disputed.
And for someone who claims to be making statements based on facts, you are just a Democratic douche type who swears anything on CNN and MSNBC is fact and anything on Fox is not.
If you weren't such a loser, you would have taken on Hirsch's article versus insulting me.
You're substituting a more abstract and generalized view in lieu of the very specific question presented to you.Nice seeing you put Wyatt on the spot for the third time, but this "abstract" "generalized" "realpolitik" softcore isolationism occasionally seasoned with sympathy for Russian propaganda is all we've gotten from Wyatt for the last 14 months, and with little consideration to the unfolding narrative. If you've read one of his posts you've read them all, thus for the most part I've stopped reading them.
I'll add that with someone like Elvis it's direct. You know exactly what you are getting and where's he coming from. Wyatt's ad nauseam and disingenuous pseudo-intellectualism though is especially nauseating.
And yes, the Russians are war criminals. Their actions should invoke an emotional reaction from anyone with a moral conscience. Fact is though that many on the planet do not have one. Life is only viewed and lived with the aim of what pleasures they can personally get out of it. It's thus very easy and perfectly natural for them to operate in the abstract when it comes to the tribulations of other people.
You do not know if Hersh has one or many sources. You just think your Democratic douche fact check is a source.
End of link. There are a lot of facts there, and not one was disputed.
And for someone who claims to be making statements based on facts, you are just a Democratic douche type who swears anything on CNN and MSNBC is fact and anything on Fox is not.Here you go. The recap of a BS "article" and two Elvis' signature "douches" in one post. Good job!
You do not know if Hersh has one or many sources. You just think your Democratic douche fact check is a source.
Of course, you have not read the article. No shock there. You did not even try to find it. Here it is: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream.
And here is a quotation of the story:
The Norwegian navy was quick to find the right spot, in the shallow waters of the Baltic sea a few miles off Denmark's Bornholm Island. The pipelines ran more than a mile apart along a seafloor that was only 260 feet deep. That would be well within the range of the divers, who, operating from a Norwegian Alta class mine hunter, would dive with a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and helium streaming from their tanks, and plant shaped C4 charges on the four pipelines with concrete protective covers. It would be tedious, time consuming and dangerous work, but the waters off Bornholm had another advantage: there were no major tidal currents, which would have made the task of diving much more difficult.
After a bit of research, the Americans were all in.
At this point, the Navy's obscure deep-diving group in Panama City once again came into play. The deep-sea schools at Panama City, whose trainees participated in Ivy Bells, are seen as an unwanted backwater by the elite graduates of the Naval Academy in Annapolis, who typically seek the glory of being assigned as a Seal, fighter pilot, or submariner. If one must become a "Black Shoe"that is, a member of the less desirable surface ship commandthere is always at least duty on a destroyer, cruiser or amphibious ship. The least glamorous of all is mine warfare. Its divers never appear in Hollywood movies, or on the cover of popular magazines.
End of link. There are a lot of facts there, and not one was disputed.
And for someone who claims to be making statements based on facts, you are just a Democratic douche type who swears anything on CNN and MSNBC is fact and anything on Fox is not.
If you weren't such a loser, you would have taken on Hirsch's article versus insulting me.Anyone can claim whatever they want. Without verification those claims will never qualify as facts.
Therefore, my claim that you're the source of the highly questionable (same exact phrase, 20 years apart from different people, really?) "goat fuck" quotes is every bit as valid as any of Hersh's claims. No independent verification? No problem! Are his "sources" confidential? Well, so are mine. Lots of juicy detail? Hey, just stay tuned for the bombshell details that will be disclosed at www.elvisthegoatfucker.com (it'll be a doozy)!
P.S. Most of the links I've posted have been those that set forth verifiable facts, such as reports of Russian ships being photographed in the area of the explosion. I don't believe I've posted ANYTHING (Dem douche or otherwise) that seeks to directly fact check Hersh's NordStream story. I did post a link to a critic who pointed out problems with PREVIOUS stories, and discussed how those past issues give rise to credibility questions. Your bogus assertion is therefore a pathetic straw-man argument. Nice try!
But I'm glad you brought it up, because here's a new story describing one of the photographed Russian ships as having mini-submarine capabilities.
https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1651699036607447046
https://www.information.dk/indland/2023/04/forsvaret-bekraefter-rusland-specialfartoej-naer-nord-streams-spraengningspunkt
I'm not pushing any particular narrative because, as I've stated repeatedly, I choose to reserve judgment until more verified facts (not mere claims) come to light. Of the various alternative possibilities, things aren't trending particularly well for your preferred narrative.
P. P.S. Facts are neither Democrat or Republican. They rest securely on the foundation of verified evidence.
https://dnyuz.com/2023/04/27/russian-army-commander-arrested-for-selling-tank-engines/
"The Kommersant newspaper reported that Colonel Alexander Denisov is accused of stealing seven V-92 S2 engines worth 20.5 million roubles (around 200,000) between November 2021 and April 2022".
"In 2019, two other Russian army officers were convicted of a similar theft".
Ah, Russian institutionalized corruption, the gift that keeps on giving!
Orc grunting noisesThese last few days watching the RuZZians running away and leaving equipment behind have been an absolute joy.
These last few days watching the RuZZians running away and leaving equipment behind have been an absolute joy.Not to mention how they leave their dead behind to fertilize the Ukrainian Earth!
Elvis 2008
04-28-23, 17:23
Anyone can claim whatever they want. Without verification those claims will never qualify as facts.
Therefore, my claim that you're the source of the highly questionable (same exact phrase, 20 years apart from different people, really?) "goat fuck" quotes is every bit as valid as any of Hersh's claims. No independent verification? No problem! Are his "sources" confidential? Well, so are mine. Lots of juicy detail? Hey, just stay tuned for the bombshell details that will be disclosed at www.elvisthegoatfucker.com (it'll be a doozy)!
I'm not pushing any particular narrative because, as I've stated repeatedly, I choose to reserve judgment until more verified facts (not mere claims) come to light. Of the various alternative possibilities, things aren't trending particularly well for your preferred narrative.
P. P.S. Facts are neither Democrat or Republican. They rest securely on the foundation of verified evidence.You are boring me and everyone else. This is the Democratic douche defense. I gave you the link to Hersh's article and asked you to point out one thing he got wrong. You rambled on about some bullshit with regards to what constitutes a fact and what does not and then you personally attacked me.
Then you double down on the same Russian ships near the pipeline bullshit.
The fact is that the Nordstream pipeline was blown up. Hersh wrote a great article about the USA doing it. And I pointed out how it benefitted the USA to the tune of billions and even trillions of dollars. The evidence looks very strong the USA with the help of European nations blew up the pipeline.
You disregard all of that and say there were Russians ships in the area which is so meaningless that it actually adds to the likelihood the USA did it as it is the weakest alterative to the USA doing the deed.
So let's make it personal with you. If it makes Russia look badly, JM, that is a fact for you, and anything that makes Ukraine and its allies look badly is not a fact and should be disputed. So you can stop with the lectures. We all know how you are now.
You are like Eihtooms, AKA Bagdad Bob, of the politics forum. Every post he makes is some version of Dems good, Republicans bad.
Elvis 2008
04-28-23, 17:36
I'll add that with someone like Elvis it's direct. You know exactly what you are getting and where's he coming from. Wyatt's ad nauseam and disingenuous pseudo-intellectualism though is especially nauseating.
And yes, the Russians are war criminals. Their actions should invoke an emotional reaction from anyone with a moral conscience. Fact is though that many on the planet do not have one. Life is only viewed and lived with the aim of what pleasures they can personally get out of it. It's thus very easy and perfectly natural for them to operate in the abstract when it comes to the tribulations of other people.Thanks Paulie, with the pipeline issue for instance, I am actually glad Biden went ahead with that. You could make the case that was in American's interests. I even get keeping the reasons for doing it dark just do not feed me the bullshit about facts and who did what.
Switching gears for a second, we were fed this bullshit about Covid not coming from a lab and Fauci lying about gain of function research. Andrew Huberman was on Joe Rogan's podcast and admitted he does gene manipulation in his lab and knew personally how common lab leaks were. So I get scientists and their desire to cover up the likely origins of Covid but do not feed me this bullshit that anyone saying it did not come from a lab was engaging in conspiracy theory. When that was put that out there, that practically confirmed for me Covid did come from a lab.
Sure, the Russians are war criminals but prosecuting them is the kind of thing you say at a political rally but it is hard to enact. If you say you are going to do that, then the chance of a cease fire or peace deal is markedly lowered. In fact, Russell Brand had a podcast where he quoted a paper saying I think it was the CIA was helping the Russians get out of war criminals charges because if potential charges were enacted against Russia, the same could be done for the USA.
You are boring me and everyone else. This is the Democratic douche defense. I gave you the link to Hersh's article and asked you to point out one thing he got wrong. You rambled on about some bullshit with regards to what constitutes a fact and what does not and then you personally attacked me.
Then you double down on the same Russian ships near the pipeline bullshit.
The fact is that the Nordstream pipeline was blown up. Hersh wrote a great article about the USA doing it. And I pointed out how it benefitted the USA to the tune of billions and even trillions of dollars. The evidence looks very strong the USA with the help of European nations blew up the pipeline.
You disregard all of that and say there were Russians ships in the area which is so meaningless that it actually adds to the likelihood the USA did it as it is the weakest alterative to the USA doing the deed.
So let's make it personal with you. If it makes Russia look badly, JM, that is a fact for you, and anything that makes Ukraine and its allies look badly is not a fact and should be disputed. So you can stop with the lectures. We all know how you are now.
You are like Eihtooms, AKA Bagdad Bob, of the politics forum. Every post he makes is some version of Dems good, Republicans bad.Facts aren't facts just because they fit into your preferred narrative. If Hersh can't be bothered to provide corroboration, why should anyone give him a minute's attention?
Facts = things that actually happened. Facts require verification and corroboration before they can be considered as such. For example, every story I linked to about Russian ships contained verifiable facts, namely the photos taken of those ships and the attendant dates and locations. Oh, and the latest link, the one to the mini-sub capable ship, is also factual.
Narrative = A story, which might or might not be true. What distinguishes a true narrative is the set of verified facts it contains. A narrative which lacks such facts is rightfully disregarded.
Hersh provides no corroboration, no verification, and apparently doesn't seem to think he needs any. If his uncorroborated word is good enough for you, fine. It isn't good enough for me.
Unlike you, I have not pushed any single alternative as being definitely true. Providing factually true information is not the same as pushing a specific narrative. I continue to reserve judgment until more facts come to light. I understand why that's difficult for you to grasp, since you view any questioning of your narrative as being the endorsement of another. It's not.
BTW, how can you take personal offense at the revelation that you're the source of the infamous (and suspicious) "goat fuck" quotes? After all, I've scrupulously adhered to Hershian standards of proof, right? And, considering how important Hersh's narrative is to your feelings of self-worth, I'd have thought you'd be pleased as punch at being outed as the "goat fucker".
Of course, when others consider the EXTREME improbability of two separate sources, concerning two distinct events with 20+ years between them, uttering the EXACT same phrase to Hersh, they would naturally wonder about the credibility of such an account. But not you! As a true Hersh acolyte you take every word as gospel and question nothing. Anyone with doubts, or seeking verification, is an apostate and blasphemer, right?
But hey, no worries, since you're such a fan of unverified claims, here's another fun website for you:
https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/
They have LOTS of highly detailed "facts" on their website. Pray tell, which ones did they get wrong? No rush, we've got plenty of time.
P.S. If you find my posts boring, by all means ignore them. So, while I will continue to post relevant facts, your presence is as profoundly irrelevant as the existence of unverified narratives.
Zed looks more and more like Saddam. Destined to hang won't drown.
Not to mention how they leave their dead behind to fertilize the Ukrainian Earth!Forget the dead. They leave their wounded behind just as easily.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687053/Putins-troops-flee-Vuhledar-battlefield-leave-wounded-vehicles-destroyed.html
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-moscow-91c46d82268b3d5210b811ba67d66d33
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/10/russias-wounded-soldiers-abandoned-fate-kherson-army-flees-ukrainian
There are refrigerated trains with tens of thousands of their dead soldiers that the Ukrainians are willing to return. The Russians won't have it. They'd have to pay the families for their fallen, while the MIA don't count.
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2022/07/27/no-body-means-no-money-ukrainian-official-accuses-russians-of-abandoning-dead-soldiers/
Boy, what a country! I see why Questner couldn't be prouder.
Zed looks more and more like Saddam. Destined to hang won't drown.Mussolini: Shot by partisans, hanged upside down by a mob (78 years + 1 day ago).
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/28/did-the-brutal-death-of-mussolini-contribute-to-hitlers-suicide/
Hitler: Suicide, reportedly motivated by what happened to Mussolini (see above). Fascinating that Little Adolf (was he as short as Putin?) received the devastating news exactly 78 years ago today!
"News of Mussolini's public, humiliating death reached Hitler by radio the following day, April 29,1945, in his Fuhrerbunker below Berlin, where he had been confined for two weeks as Soviet forces approached the German capital. "This will never happen to me," Hitler said".
Of course, if rumors about Putin's health are accurate, he might croak on his own in his PutinBunker. Or perhaps he'll be "helped along" by the hand of someone close to him?
However it happens, good riddance to a murderous, imperialist thug. He will be reviled throughout the civilized world while Zelensky will be celebrated. Putin flushed Russia's future down the toilet while Ukraine, although it won't necessarily be an easy path, is destined for a bright future as part of the EU (and likely NATO).
P.S. I doubt Putin will end like Saddam. Capture is a less likely outcome than death. If karma is a thing, his final act might be a rather messy one. One can only hope.
Forget the dead. They leave their wounded behind just as easily.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687053/Putins-troops-flee-Vuhledar-battlefield-leave-wounded-vehicles-destroyed.html
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-moscow-91c46d82268b3d5210b811ba67d66d33
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/10/russias-wounded-soldiers-abandoned-fate-kherson-army-flees-ukrainian
There are refrigerated trains with tens of thousands of their dead soldiers that the Ukrainians are willing to return. The Russians won't have it. They'd have to pay the families for their fallen, while the MIA don't count.
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2022/07/27/no-body-means-no-money-ukrainian-official-accuses-russians-of-abandoning-dead-soldiers/
Boy, what a country! I see why Questner couldn't be prouder.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-orders-21-mobile-28994545
Ash takes up less space and, as an added bonus, burning the bodies can be done unilaterally. No need to worry about the inconvenience of Ukraine having dead Orcs on ice.
As you noted, without bodies being returned to families, no combat death payments need be made. Ashes, unlike corpses, can't be identified.
Truly the kind of "final solution," that should appeal to LilliPutin!
Elvis 2008
04-29-23, 18:14
Facts aren't facts just because they fit into your preferred narrative. If Hersh can't be bothered to provide corroboration, why should anyone give him a minute's attention?
Facts = things that actually happened. Facts require verification and corroboration before they can be considered as such. For example, every story I linked to about Russian ships contained verifiable facts, namely the photos taken of those ships and the attendant dates and locations. Oh, and the latest link, the one to the mini-sub capable ship, is also factual.
Narrative = A story, which might or might not be true. What distinguishes a true narrative is the set of verified facts it contains. A narrative which lacks such facts is rightfully disregarded.
Hersh provides no corroboration, no verification, and apparently doesn't seem to think he needs any. If his uncorroborated word is good enough for you, fine. It isn't good enough for me.We already saw your corroboration bullshit blow up with the origin of Covid. We have all these scientists say the same thing publicly: that Covid did not come from a lab but came from nature, but there was not one fact to fit that theory. The people organizing the Covid came from nature theory we now know were not even listed as authors of the article, and the article also went on to say that anyone saying Covid came from a lab was engaging in conspiracy theory.
We also know that two of the authors of the article also were paid off. They first said Covid did in fact come from a lab. They changed their tune once Fauci gave them millions in grant money.
So that blows up your whole corroboration as facts bullshit model for truth? How do you know those corroborating are not doing so out of self interest? Or being paid off? You do not. There were no facts showing Covid came from nature. There was just corroboration.
As for you, you are not looking at Ukrainian weakness:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-simply-dont-have-ammo-polish-general-says-can-no-longer-supply-ukraine-warns-russia
Speaking at a strategy session of the National Security Bureau, the Polish Armed Forces chief of staff General Rajmund Andrzejczak said that when he analyzes the war in Ukraine politically, he is pessimistic.
This is, he explained, because "there is nothing that indicates that Russia will lack the resources to continue the conflict."
He said during the session that he did not feel sanctions would stop Russia from having the funds to continue the war.
The general also offered a bleak assessment of Poland's ability to send ammunition to Ukraine.
"We simply don't have the ammunition. Our industry isn't ready to send the equipment to Ukraine and to maintain our own dwindling reserves," he said.
He noted that he was tirelessly presenting such an analysis in order to raise awareness.
He continued his remarks by saying that "war is not the business of soldiers. "
And how about this for corroboration from Republican Congressmen?
For nearly a year, your administration has poured aid into Ukraine at the expense of USA Military readiness. Supplies that will take years to replenish are being exhausted by Ukraine in a matter of weeks. Ukraine is currently burning through more 155 mm artillery rounds in one month than the USA Can produce in six. We have given more Javelins to Ukraine than can be made in four years. 10 As we demand that industry ramp up production of HIMARS, Javelins, and Stingers to support Ukraine, our allies are left with delivery backlogs for these same weapons. Should our actions entangle us in a confrontation with Russia now or should conflict erupt in the Indo-Pacific in the coming years, we fear that our military will be woefully unprepared to meet these challenges as a direct result of what has been shipped to Ukraine.
You are so blind it is unreal. Ukraine can and probably will lose this war and yet here you are talking about how Putin will die like Hitler. Yeah, Ukraine is going to surround Moscow like Hitler was in Berlin.
You say no one knows what is going to happen and then you come up with this Hilter bullshit.
DramaFree11
04-29-23, 20:35
We already saw your corroboration bullshit blow up with the origin of Covid. We have all these scientists say the same thing publicly: that Covid did not come from a lab but came from nature, but there was not one fact to fit that theory. The people organizing the Covid came from nature theory we now know were not even listed as authors of the article, and the article also went on to say that anyone saying Covid came from a lab was engaging in conspiracy theory.
We also know that two of the authors of the article also were paid off. They first said Covid did in fact come from a lab. They changed their tune once Fauci gave them millions in grant money.
So that blows up your whole corroboration as facts bullshit model for truth? How do you know those corroborating are not doing so out of self interest? Or being paid off? You do not. There were no facts showing Covid came from nature. There was just corroboration.
As for you, you are not looking at Ukrainian weakness:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-simply-dont-have-ammo-polish-general-says-can-no-longer-supply-ukraine-warns-russia
Speaking at a strategy session of the National Security Bureau, the Polish Armed Forces chief of staff General Rajmund Andrzejczak said that when he analyzes the war in Ukraine politically, he is pessimistic.
This is, he explained, because "there is nothing that indicates that Russia will lack the resources to continue the conflict."
He said during the session that he did not feel sanctions would stop Russia from having the funds to continue the war.
The general also offered a bleak assessment of Poland's ability to send ammunition to Ukraine.
"We simply don't have the ammunition. Our industry isn't ready to send the equipment to Ukraine and to maintain our own dwindling reserves," he said.
He noted that he was tirelessly presenting such an analysis in order to raise awareness.
He continued his remarks by saying that "war is not the business of soldiers. "
And how about this for corroboration from Republican Congressmen?
For nearly a year, your administration has poured aid into Ukraine at the expense of USA Military readiness. Supplies that will take years to replenish are being exhausted by Ukraine in a matter of weeks. Ukraine is currently burning through more 155 mm artillery rounds in one month than the USA Can produce in six. We have given more Javelins to Ukraine than can be made in four years. 10 As we demand that industry ramp up production of HIMARS, Javelins, and Stingers to support Ukraine, our allies are left with delivery backlogs for these same weapons. Should our actions entangle us in a confrontation with Russia now or should conflict erupt in the Indo-Pacific in the coming years, we fear that our military will be woefully unprepared to meet these challenges as a direct result of what has been shipped to Ukraine.
You are so blind it is unreal. Ukraine can and probably will lose this war and yet here you are talking about how Putin will die like Hitler. Yeah, Ukraine is going to surround Moscow like Hitler was in Berlin.
You say no one knows what is going to happen and then you come up with this Hilter bullshit.Elvis, Xman and Pauline, believe everything they read and see from there liberal sources. Ukraine is getting destroyed. Putin is now stronger then ever, the sanction have done nothing, but bring Russia and China closer. Great job Biden and his buddies.
This will go down as one of the miss calcuations ever. We go to war with Russia, but the states and Europe forget to produce gas. The world is now in recession and it could get much worse. Putin is a bad guy, but he is totally winning now at home and abroad. This war should have never started.
The funny part is the liberals want this disaster to continiue and Rep. , want it to end. I guess they want to keep blaming Russia for everything. What a disaster, the quicker this ends the better off, everyone will be. Ukraine is not winning anything, I am sorry, they are getting more destroyed every day this continues. There will be nothing left to fight over, Ukraine will lose one or 2 generations of men, and Kiev will probably be land locked. I guess this is a win!
Mussolini: Shot by partisans, hanged upside down by a mob (78 years + 1 day ago).
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/28/did-the-brutal-death-of-mussolini-contribute-to-hitlers-suicide/
Hitler: Suicide, reportedly motivated by what happened to Mussolini (see above). Fascinating that Little Adolf (was he as short as Putin?) received the devastating news exactly 78 years ago today!
"News of Mussolini's public, humiliating death reached Hitler by radio the following day, April 29,1945, in his Fuhrerbunker below Berlin, where he had been confined for two weeks as Soviet forces approached the German capital. "This will never happen to me," Hitler said".
Neither. He'll be done in by his own henchmen, like Ceasescu was, sans the dramatics of a fake trial and firing squad. I'm thinking poison (or sledgehammer in case they're pressed for time). That, of course, will be followed by a quick cremation in accordance with the family wishes, LOL.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-orders-21-mobile-28994545
Ash takes up less space and, as an added bonus, burning the bodies can be done unilaterally. No need to worry about the inconvenience of Ukraine having dead Orcs on ice.
As you noted, without bodies being returned to families, no combat death payments need be made. Ashes, unlike corpses, can't be identified.
Truly the kind of "final solution," that should appeal to LilliPutin!You're talking about a separate thing. For whatever reason (humanitarian, PR or both), the Ukrainians are trying to preserve the bodies of Russian soldiers they've killed.
Putin is burning the bodies of civilians he's killed to destroy the evidence.
Which, by the way, won't work. There are people who operate these mobile crematoriums. They will talk one day.
We already saw your corroboration bullshit blow up with the origin of CovidYou're obviously COVID-obsessed but, unfortunately for you, facts that are relevant to this Ukraine-centric forum, including facts relevant to the NordStream issue, have an existence that is INDEPENDENT and OUTSIDE of your little COVID bubble. Nice try at attempting to link the issues, but it doesn't help Hersh as it provides nothing in the way of factual corroboration of his claims.
FWIW, I can't recall if I've ever even mentioned COVID in this forum. If I have, it was probably to point out the utter irrelevance of trying to shoehorn COVID-specific issues into the Ukraine discussion.
BTW, while you're on your COVID rant, can you educate us as to whether COVID spreads differently on a Flat Earth?
"So that blows up your whole corroboration as facts bullshit model for truth?Actually, it precisely substantiates my position. Those who pushed the "natural origin" narrative did so WITHOUT verifiable facts! Here are two examples:
1. If COVID was natural, there should have been a sizable animal population (bats, pangolins, or other) in which the SARS-COV 2 virus (or very close variant) could be detected. That fact never materialized, despite the best efforts of the narrative-pushers. The closest variant that has ever been found in animals is a distant relative, at best.
2. If COVID was natural, no one would benefit more than China. A lab leak would make China the bad guy, whereas a natural origin would make China just another victim. China not only has exclusive control over the area from which the "natural origin" allegedly came, but they also have a huge amount of resources (scientists + soldiers + other personnel) they could have deployed to find the "natural" source, had it existed. The fact that China couldn't produce evidence of animal origin is a pretty good indication of a flawed narrative.
You seem to be assuming that I was somehow on the "natural origin" bandwagon. Nothing could be further from the truth. As the two above points illustrate, that narrative was lacking when it came to essential, verifiable facts. As a consequence, from early on I doubted "natural origin" and leaned toward the lab-created theory. And, as is my general practice, I refused to jump to conclusions and patiently waited for more facts to surface.
Thanks much for so effectively making my point for me!
And thanks SO much for clearly demonstrating that narrative + reinforcing narratives (repeated ad nauseam) will NEVER = verified and corroborated facts!
(Note: I don't believe goats have been investigated as a possible source of COVID. Someone should research whether goat-fucking was the problem.).
As for you, you are not looking at Ukrainian weakness:Unlike you, I am perfectly able to keep my feelings for Putin and his Orcs (abhorrence and contempt) completely separate from my analysis and evaluation of evidence and facts. As much as it's my HOPE for a Ukrainian victory, I have made no such prediction or claim. "Expert" prognosticators are out there in force, on both sides. But, since the vast majority of truly relevant information is being kept secret (by both sides), all the pundits are basically peddling guesswork and their personal opinions. That's fine, and I'm sure it helps pay the bills, but it's still mere speculation.
As I've said many times before, if I had a dollar for every wrong prediction about this war, I'd have a shitload of dollars!
You are so blind it is unreal. Ukraine can and probably will lose this war and yet here you are talking about how Putin will die like Hitler. Yeah, Ukraine is going to surround Moscow like Hitler was in Berlin.
You say no one knows what is going to happen and then you come up with this Hilter bullshit.And you're apparently blind to the fact that my Mussolini / Hitler post was a direct response to a known clown who tried to equate Zelensky with Saddam (and his death). What does it say about you that you're unable to pick up on ridicule and then try to distort it to fit your own convoluted, bile-filled, pretzel-logic?
Twister much?
Confused Orc noisesAre the chinese lessons going well? Has your daughter been purchased by a guy in shanghai yet?
Elvis, Xman and Pauline, believe everything they read and see from there liberal sources. Ukraine is getting destroyed. Putin is now stronger then ever, the sanction have done nothing, but bring Russia and China closer. Great job Biden and his buddies.
This will go down as one of the miss calcuations ever. We go to war with Russia, but the states and Europe forget to produce gas. The world is now in recession and it could get much worse. Putin is a bad guy, but he is totally winning now at home and abroad. This war should have never started.
The funny part is the liberals want this disaster to continiue and Rep. , want it to end. I guess they want to keep blaming Russia for everything. What a disaster, the quicker this ends the better off, everyone will be. Ukraine is not winning anything, I am sorry, they are getting more destroyed every day this continues. There will be nothing left to fight over, Ukraine will lose one or 2 generations of men, and Kiev will probably be land locked. I guess this is a win!Ukraine is at war and, while it's obviously not flourishing, it's supported by Europe, the US, and other major countries (like Australia and Japan). Russia has the support, in varying degree, of China, Iran, and North Korea.
The war has been mostly static over the winter months, so it's hard to see any firm evidence for your conclusion that Ukraine is losing. If you have anything to offer, other than your own opinion, kindly lay it on the table for examination and debate.
Otherwise, your opinion is just one of many, most of which have turned out to be wrong.
P.S. The war could end tomorrow. All it'd take is for Putin to order his troops back to Russia. Dems didn't start this war, and neither did Republicans. It was started by a narcissistic dictator with imperialist and revanchist ambitions. He can either decide to stop it, or he will need to be stopped.
Actually, it precisely substantiates my position. Those who pushed the "natural origin" narrative did so WITHOUT verifiable facts! Here are two examples:
1. If COVID was natural, there should have been a sizable animal population (bats, pangolins, or other) in which the SARS-COV 2 virus (or very close variant) could be detected. That fact never materialized, despite the best efforts of the narrative-pushers. The closest variant that has ever been found in animals is a distant relative, at best.
2. If COVID was natural, no one would benefit more than China. A lab leak would make China the bad guy, whereas a natural origin would make China just another victim. China not only has exclusive control over the area from which the "natural origin" allegedly came, but they also have a huge amount of resources (scientists + soldiers + other personnel) they could have deployed to find the "natural" source, had it existed. The fact that China couldn't produce evidence of animal origin is a pretty good indication of a flawed narrative.You're really swaggering around on this one. LOL Peer reviewed analysis from SARS-2 positive swabs collected from the Wuhan wet market in the early days of the pandemic show the presence of DNA from susceptible animal species. And this is based on a recently released peer reviewed study conducted by international researchers.
https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#. ZE6749 rMJPY.
Also SARS-2 has been discovered in animals many times.
https://www.fao.org/animal-health/situation-updates/sars-cov-2-in-animals/en
Of course none of that will take any dedicated conspiracy theorist or Chinophobe off their soap box, but it might inspire someone like yourself to approach this one with some of the same humility you display when it comes to predicting the outcome of the war in Ukraine. This one is inconclusive.
The funny part is the liberals want this disaster to continiue and Rep. , want it to end. The "funny" part is that you are poorly educated and don't know how to do research. LOL You want to be part of the conversation but are unable to engage beyond repeating the same fallacious and unsubstantiated opinions over and over in a hooker forum.
It's not about "liberals" against "Republicans" as the majority of the latter support Ukraine and wish to provide them with the means to prevail in the conflict.
I guess they want to keep blaming Russia for everything.Without a doubt. They started the war and are waging it by murdering non-combatants. All reasonable "liberals" and "Republicans" feel this way.
What a disaster, the quicker this ends the better off, everyone will be. And what a disaster it would have been if Ukraine had just bent over, grabbed their ankles, and gave away their country when the invaders arrived. If you had any decency or ethics beyond wanting to see lower gas prices for yourself you'd instead be in here every week howling for Putin to stop prosecuting his illegal war.
Ukraine is not winning anything, I am sorry, they are getting more destroyed every day this continues. There will be nothing left to fight over, Ukraine will lose one or 2 generations of men, and Kiev will probably be land locked. I guess this is a win!There's one statement I agree with here, and that's when you say you are "sorry. " You certainly are, and are a third rate tool of far right propaganda and you don't even know it. You can't even come up with any new material. If we've read one of your posts we've read them all. But Russia controls much less territory then they did at the start of the war. There's plenty of maps up that illustrate that if you know how to use Google. Also Ukraine isn't anywhere near landlocked, while your predictions are worthless.
Recently in an interview held in a shelter-basement type of a bunker, Zed has admitted to carrying a handgun. Is it a plastic pocket clown howitzer or a Walter with a dong attached to a barrel, we don't know. Folks report fewer and fever Napoleons in Ukraine's asylums, a sign of failure of the education system. Lunatics just haven't ever heard about the emperor's life.
"When Švejk subsequently described life in the lunatic asylum, he did so in exceptionally eulogistic terms: 'I really don't know why those loonies get so angry when they're kept there. You can crawl naked on the floor, howl like a jackal, rage and bite. If anyone did this anywhere on the promenade people would be astonished, but there it's the most common or garden thing to do. There's a freedom there which not even Socialists have ever dreamed of. ".
― Jaroslav Hašek, The Good Soldier Švejk.
On the Covid lab leak theory.
Recent senate report is Republican partisan, and even they admit it's inconclusive. There's simply no room for cocksuredness on this one.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/new-report-senate-republicans-doubles-covid-lab-leak/story?id=98656740
Elvis 2008
05-01-23, 22:56
On the Covid lab leak theory.
Recent senate report is Republican partisan, and even they admit it's inconclusive. There's simply no room for cocksuredness on this one.
Well, there was absolute certainty and that was the point. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20) 30418-9/ fulltext.
"We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. ".
The whole point of the exercise was not to debate Covid but debunk JM and his ridiculous notion of corroboration as fact. These "scientists" corroborated Covid could not possibly come from a lab which was ridiculous. Facts are facts. You do not need ten people to agree with you that two and two are four.
Furthermore, JM has this black and white perception of the world. With Covid, I think it is around 98% that it came from a lab and there were rumors that animals that were infected with Covid by the lab were sold to the wet market. Apparently, Chinese lab techs are not well paid. Of course, no one will admit to that now.
Based on the facts as put out, I would put it as 99% now that the information leaked about Ukraine was true and the same with the USA blowing up the Nordstrom pipeline. I think what people do not get is how hard it is to write something like Hersh did with the pipeline and get all the facts right. If he got one wrong, the USA government would have jumped him, but they disputed nothing factually. Their responses to both the leak and Hersh's article were weak. What may change my mind is new information not hit jobs on the people bringing us the facts.
Elvis 2008
05-01-23, 23:19
So I wrote before about the Polish general and Republican Congressman warning about the limitations on how many more weapons could be given to the Ukrainians.
Well, here are ones on Russia and its limitations:
Iranian drones used by Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToagLbv0140
Russia trying to buy arms from Egypt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxvCENNuDcc
So when you look at it, both sides are having a hard time securing arms.
Thing is Russia was #2 in the world in arms sales: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/arms_exports/.
It does make you wonder why Russia is scrambling for arms so much. Is their arms industry being mismanaged? Hurt by sanctions? Or both?
You're really swaggering around on this one. LOL Peer reviewed analysis from SARS-2 positive swabs collected from the Wuhan wet market in the early days of the pandemic show the presence of DNA from susceptible animal species. And this is based on a recently released peer reviewed study conducted by international researchers.
https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#. ZE6749 rMJPY.
Also SARS-2 has been discovered in animals many times.
https://www.fao.org/animal-health/situation-updates/sars-cov-2-in-animals/en
Of course none of that will take any dedicated conspiracy theorist or Chinophobe off their soap box, but it might inspire someone like yourself to approach this one with some of the same humility you display when it comes to predicting the outcome of the war in Ukraine. This one is inconclusive.Your hypothesis falls short for at least two reasons:
1. The lab-leak hypothesis, as I understand it, postulates that viral genetic sequences taken from animals, such as the ones being researched at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, were manipulated in ways that made them more infectious to humans. That's not inconsistent with the content of your two articles.
A) Your first article has this title: "Genetic evidence of susceptible wildlife in SARS-CoV-2 positive samples at the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, Wuhan: Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control". And this quote: "Our analysis of these data found that genetic evidence of MULTIPLE animal species was present in locations of the market where SARS-CoV-2 positive environmental samples had been collected".
B) Your second article opens with this passage: "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2): A virus that is spreading globally through human-to-human transmission, but has also demonstrated ability to infect MULTIPLE animal species". "with spillover potential from one animal species to another".
C) Both articles, together and separately, make the point that several species of animals are susceptible to either human-to-animal or animal-to-animal transmission of SARS-COV2. Neither article makes the claim that they've pinpointed the source of the original strain. In fact, the specific use of the word "MULTIPLE" (emphasis added, here and above) is a clear indication that the phenomenon they're describing is necessarily one that occurred AFTER the point of origin. Neither article makes the claim, nor do they pretend to do so, that they've definitively proved the animal origin hypothesis OR that they've pinpointed the likely (single) candidate for the species of origin.
2. Re your second article: When you pull back the curtain on the authoritative "Peer Reviewed" label, there's a major fly in the ointment:
A) "We acknowledge that these circumstances are unusual. We are proponents of open data sharing, and ensuring that data from our analyses are broadly accessible in public repositories is our standard practice. Although our colleagues at the CCDC have stated their intention to share these raw sequence data to support the publication currently undergoing review, they remain inaccessible through GISAID at the time of writing".
B) In layman's language, China refuses to share the data and we have no idea if they ever will. So, not sure exactly what "peer reviewed" means, in this context, but they admit that the data itself is being withheld. If the data isn't available for independent review, what exactly were the "peers" looking at?
C) Which begs the question, if the data is favorable to the animal origin hypothesis, and if that hypothesis is favorable to China, why are they withholding it?
To be clear, I'm perfectly open to being persuaded either way. But, so far, the animal-origin narrative has been mostly full of Sound and Fury (signifying nothing).
Here's an example of what I would view as convincing evidence: A bat (or numerous bats) were captured from their natural habitat (near Wuhan, or wherever). Samples were taken, genetic sequences analyzed, and the ORIGINAL (or very close variant) SARS-COV2 strain was detected. Here are our findings, published online for all to evaluate for themselves.
Has anything even close to that happened? Nope, it hasn't. China would be the CLEAR beneficiary. China has MORE than enough resources. But, here we are a few years after the onset of the pandemic, and all that's coming out of China is the sound of crickets.
Recently in an interview held in a shelter-basement type of a bunker, Zed has admitted to carrying a handgun. Is it a plastic pocket clown howitzer or a Walter with a dong attached to a barrel, we don't know. Folks report fewer and fever Napoleons in Ukraine's asylums, a sign of failure of the education system. Lunatics just haven't ever heard about the emperor's life.
"When vejk subsequently described life in the lunatic asylum, he did so in exceptionally eulogistic terms: 'I really don't know why those loonies get so angry when they're kept there. You can crawl naked on the floor, howl like a jackal, rage and bite. If anyone did this anywhere on the promenade people would be astonished, but there it's the most common or garden thing to do. There's a freedom there which not even Socialists have ever dreamed of. ".
― Jaroslav Haek, The Good Soldier vejk.https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/vladimir-putin-falls-down-stairs-and-soils-himself-claims-suggest/news-story/4da8667ecd4e6b21c871617f08f5959b
Reports are that his KGB babysitters couldn't bring themselves to touch him, so they took turns trying to clean him off with water pistols!
― Jaroslav Jokester, The Good Jester vejk.
On the Covid lab leak theory.
Recent senate report is Republican partisan, and even they admit it's inconclusive. There's simply no room for cocksuredness on this one.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/new-report-senate-republicans-doubles-covid-lab-leak/story?id=98656740"While their investigation concedes that "both hypotheses are plausible," the nearly 300-page document released by the minority on the Senate health subcommittee makes a circumstantial case that the "PREPONDERANCE of circumstantial evidence" points to "an unintentional research-related incident" -- an undetected aerosol leak -- likely at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), as the first spark which would ultimately ignite the pandemic" (emphasis added).
I responded separately to your longer post, but one additional point is that my initial response to Elvis was for the specific purpose of debunking his argument about Hersh, corroboration, etc. He brought up the COVID issue, not me. And the points I made about the flaws in the narrative he cited were not intended as a comprehensive defense of the lab-leak hypothesis, or anything other than popping his Hersh-bubble.
Demonstrating that a particular narrative is flawed, and citing points that favor an alternative narrative, is NOT the same as asserting a definitive conclusion about either narrative. Here's a direct quote from my response:
"As a consequence, from early on I doubted "natural origin" and LEANED TOWARD the lab-created theory. And, as is my general practice, I refused to jump to conclusions and patiently waited for more facts to surface. " (emphasis added).
As the article you posted clearly shows, more facts are surfacing with the passage of time. I'm persuaded solely by evidence and facts, full stop. As things stand right now, the PREPONDERANCE of that evidence leans toward the lab-leak hypothesis, which is why I LEAN TOWARD that position. If new evidence surfaces, I'll be happy to consider it.
If there's anything about which I'm "cocksure," it's my ability to sort through what's presented as evidence and separate the wheat from the chaff.
Any questions?
So I wrote before about the Polish general and Republican Congressman warning about the limitations on how many more weapons could be given to the Ukrainians.
Well, here are ones on Russia and its limitations:
Iranian drones used by Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToagLbv0140
Russia trying to buy arms from Egypt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxvCENNuDcc
So when you look at it, both sides are having a hard time securing arms.
Thing is Russia was #2 in the world in arms sales: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/arms_exports/.
It does make you wonder why Russia is scrambling for arms so much. Is their arms industry being mismanaged? Hurt by sanctions? Or both?We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more. All the goals of the SMO are going to be achieved. Yes, there are and there were cases of mismanagement. With some brief interruptions mismanagement is a historical constant. It only leads to ingenuity and new levels of freedom to operate fast when needed. Don't forget we have a border and a railway into NK and have secured the military and technical agreement with PRC, an unprecedented one which has been in waiting for the long 45 years, and which can backstop any military effort. The sanctions only propel the economy forward.
It's highly irrelevant whatever any media posts, no one cares about it. Here is a recent example of such nonsense:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/06/counteroffensive-ukraine-zelensky-crimea/673781/
Here is some really scary stuff (with one Secretary of Hate burning in hell):
Well, there was absolute certainty and that was the point. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20) 30418-9/ fulltext.
"We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. ".
The whole point of the exercise was not to debate Covid but debunk JM and his ridiculous notion of corroboration as fact. These "scientists" corroborated Covid could not possibly come from a lab which was ridiculous. Facts are facts. You do not need ten people to agree with you that two and two are four.
Furthermore, JM has this black and white perception of the world. With Covid, I think it is around 98% that it came from a lab and there were rumors that animals that were infected with Covid by the lab were sold to the wet market. Apparently, Chinese lab techs are not well paid. Of course, no one will admit to that now.
Based on the facts as put out, I would put it as 99% now that the information leaked about Ukraine was true and the same with the USA blowing up the Nordstrom pipeline. I think what people do not get is how hard it is to write something like Hersh did with the pipeline and get all the facts right. If he got one wrong, the USA government would have jumped him, but they disputed nothing factually. Their responses to both the leak and Hersh's article were weak. What may change my mind is new information not hit jobs on the people bringing us the facts.You keep talking about Hersh's "facts," but all they amount to are unverified claims, nothing more.
If you can point to a third party who has verified any of Hersh's claims, please do so. Otherwise, it's mere narrative. In fact, why doesn't Hersh himself point out examples of verification? If there are any out there, he'd be in the best position to know. Has he followed up with anything that highlights points of verification? If so, I haven't seen it. So what we're left with is Hersh's word, and only HIS word.
― Serious accusations demand serious evidence, right? Here's a thought experiment for you:
1. You've been accused of a serious crime, let's use murder for this example.
2. A very persuasive witness testifies for the prosecution, with a HIGH level of detail, about all the "facts" that point to you as the murderer.
3. The witness refuses to answer any cross-examination questions. Furthermore, the witness characterizes any questions as a personal attack.
4. The prosecution fails to present any other witnesses, or any other pieces of evidence, that would tend to validate the single witness's account. AND, here's an interesting twist, the prosecutor and the witness are the SAME person!
5. In the jury deliberation room, Juror 1 says "Wow, that witness was really persuasive and he had a LOT of detailed facts". Juror 2 says "Wait a minute. These are serious charges, and all we have is the unverified testimony of a single witness. I need more than that".
Question: Both jurors have been nominated to be the foreperson of the jury that will decide your fate. Which one would you prefer?
P.S. While you obviously believe that failing to issue some kind of point-by-point rebuttal amounts to an admission that Hersh's story is true, others would likely see such a rebuttal in a much different way. "Hey! The US govt wouldn't issue such a specific rebuttal if there wasn't something there".
So, since there's a definite possibility that anything beyond a flat denial could be turned into a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" double-edged sword, what would be the point of going down that road?
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230208-white-house-rejects-report-that-us-was-behind-nord-stream-sabotage
Note: NOTHING in any of the above means that I'm not open to the possibility that the US bombed the pipeline, or was involved in it. But only verifiable facts can back up that serious accusation, not someone's personal narrative.
We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more..... Don't forget we have a border and a railway into NK and have secured the military and technical agreement with PRC, an unprecedented one which has been in waiting for the long 45 years, and which can backstop any military effort.....
l):HOLD UP. LOL. This has to be the most hilarious straight faced satire I've ever read if you're honestly suggesting that North Korea and China will be the saviors of Russia. China is using tech from the 90's that barely works (and was stolen by the way). North Korea is using mostly tech from the 60's and has a few nuclear missiles that it can't even properly aim. Hell, the country can't even feed it's people.
I wish I could watch some of the Russian propaganda some time because these hot takes are just too much LOL.
We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more."We (Wagner) have only 10-15% of the shells that we need," he said, blaming the leadership of the Russian army. He spoke in an interview with Russian pro-Kremlin war correspondent Semyon Pegov".
All the goals of the SMO are going to be achieved."Prigozhin said he expected a Ukrainian counterattack in mid-May. "This counteroffensive could become a tragedy for our country," he said".
The sanctions only propel the economy forward.
Except when it comes to tanks, which are being propelled backward (in time)!
https://eurasiantimes.com/russian-tanks-are-tanking-due-to-ukraine-war-report-reveals/
"A recent report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) analyzes the impact of sanctions on Russia's defense industry and its effect on the war in Ukraine".
"According to the report, Russia has lost between 1,845 to 3,511 tanks in Ukraine and is believed to hold roughly 5,000 tanks in reserve".
"This ultimately forced Russia to bring older Soviet-era tanks manufactured decades before Russia's military modernization program began in 2011".
Golly, gee! Where are all the CCP and NORK tanks?
It's highly irrelevant whatever any media posts, no one cares about it.Is it still irrelevant when a prominent figure in the Russian war effort, Prigozhin, gives an interview to Russian media? I bet the Russian MilBloggers care, and Girkin's Angry Patriots Club. In fact, I bet they're paying close attention to every word.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/russia/article/2023/05/01/wagner-chief-says-ukraine-counterattack-could-be-tragedy-for-russia_6025013_140.html
We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more. All the goals of the SMO are going to be achieved. Yes, there are and there were cases of mismanagement. With some brief interruptions mismanagement is a historical constant. It only leads to ingenuity and new levels of freedom to operate fast when needed. Don't forget we have a border and a railway into NK and have secured the military and technical agreement with PRC, an unprecedented one which has been in waiting for the long 45 years, and which can backstop any military effort. The sanctions only propel the economy forward.Who the fuck is "We"? Do you represent Putin's government in this monger forum? Is that what "you" are?
Hey, "you" have already lost. Sanctions are working. Your economy is already in the dumpster. You've gambled everything and lost. Your citizens will soon beat the hell out of each other in bread lines. Maybe it will take a year. Maybe two, if you're lucky. But you're getting there. Fast.
Say Hi to Evgeny Prigozhin, a former rapist who was made to suck dicks in prison for his sins. That's your next emperor.
We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more.You will be subjugated and never again be any kind of world power. Resources plundered by the chinese, women fucked by them and men cleaning their pools.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/tinder-owner-match-group-swipes-left-russia-pledging-exit-by-june-30-2023-05-02/
"It's not a good look for a trusted brand to be continuing operations in a nation where the head of state has been indicted by the International Criminal Court" (real quote).
Off the record, Tinder CEO is reported to have said "It's impossible for Tinder to operate within a country that's so totally fucked!" (sarc quote).
You will be subjugated and never again be any kind of world power. Resources plundered by the chinese, women fucked by them and men cleaning their pools.Well, even though the days of the Russian Empire are numbered, any country with 6,000 nukes is destined to be some kind of world power, even if its future population is reduced to eating beets and shitting in outhouses.
The Russians have sold China 25 tons of enriched uranium, so it won't be long until China becomes the third nuclear mega-player in the world.
https://eurasiantimes.com/new-chinas-cfr-600-facility-boosted-by-russian-enriched-uranium
HOLD UP. LOL. This has to be the most hilarious straight faced satire I've ever read if you're honestly suggesting that North Korea and China will be the saviors of Russia. China is using tech from the 90's that barely works (and was stolen by the way). North Korea is using mostly tech from the 60's and has a few nuclear missiles that it can't even properly aim. Hell, the country can't even feed it's people.
I wish I could watch some of the Russian propaganda some time because these hot takes are just too much LOL.Here is my suggestion, watch 'The Battle of Chosin' here: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/chosin/ and then have a coffee break with Mark Milley and laugh into his face.
We of course chose our Savior in the 9th Century AD.
Some daily routine from the Colonel: https://youtu.be/2Rkr3YGKF9A.
'Dear, take this poison! I don't want to wash the walls'.
Here is my suggestion, watch 'The Battle of Chosin' here: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/chosin/ and then have a coffee break with Mark Milley and laugh into his face.
We of course chose our Savior in the 9th Century AD.Take Putin's dick out of your mouth, and remove your hands from his asshole. Those two habits of yours perfectly explain why everything you post is incoherent bullshit.
Do you babble on like this in real life? If so, it must truly suck for anyone unlucky enough to be around you. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it.
Some daily routine from the Colonel: https://youtu.be/2Rkr3YGKF9A.
'Dear, take this poison! I don't want to wash the walls'.Send more hapless peasants to die in my hopeless meat grinder of a war.
Ruin the future for generations of Russians.
Shit myself.
Get cleaned up.
Grovel on my knees before Master Xi.
Repeat the same hopeless, hapless, cycle all over again.
Elvis 2008
05-03-23, 06:37
We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more. All the goals of the SMO are going to be achieved. Yes, there are and there were cases of mismanagement. With some brief interruptions mismanagement is a historical constant. It only leads to ingenuity and new levels of freedom to operate fast when needed. Don't forget we have a border and a railway into NK and have secured the military and technical agreement with PRC, an unprecedented one which has been in waiting for the long 45 years, and which can backstop any military effort. The sanctions only propel the economy forward.My point in showing this was that if you look at both sides there is an issue with munitions. The key to me is if the West continues to supply Ukraine. I think JM has the idea that the West's goal was Ukrainian victory but I think it really was to weaken Russia. Hell, the Dems are still convinced that Putin was responsible for Trump and the 2016 victory. Yeah, Russia has North Korea, and North Korea buys from China so while the Chinese say they are not helping Russia too much, this could be a way around that.
Yeah, that Atlantic article is terribly wishful thinking IMO and love that pic of the ladies. LOL.
This is just my opinion but the Western nations seem to be getting a bit desperate:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/murdochs-spoke-zelenskyy-weeks-firing-anti-war-host-tucker-carlson
Both Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy shortly before firing Fox News' anti-war host Tucker Carlson, who has repeatedly asked why the United States is sending vast resources to one of the most historically corrupt nations on the planet while neglecting its own citizens.
I think Carlson had a good point. We are on the verge of a debt crisis, and I am still not seeing much value for the USA in this war.
And this: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/kirby-claims-whopping-100000-russian-casualties-bakhmut-alone.
In a Monday press briefing National Security Council spokesman John Kirby issued a surprisingly high estimate of Russian casualties which he said took place since December fighting in the contested Donetsk city of Bakhmut.
He said Russian forces have suffered over 100,000 total casualties. Including about 20,000 soldiers killed in combat and another 80,000 wounded.
End of link. To me, that number just sounds like total bullshit.
And this: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-long-awaited-ukrainian-counteroffensive-delayed.
So Kirby paints a picture of a teetering Russian army, and still there's no counteroffensive on the horizon. "But for the moment, they are barely moving forward, stalled not by ferocious Russian attacks, but by an enemy no less tenacious: the viscous central Ukrainian mud," The New York Times wrote Monday. A Ukrainian officer interviewed by the Times acknowledged that "Until the weather improves, there will be no counteroffensive. " This is because: "the vehicles will get stuck and then what will we do if the shooting starts?
The report further describes why Ukraine is holding off in saying, "Deep and black, with a consistency similar to a mixture of cookie dough and wet cement, the spring mud is one obstacle that the Ukrainian military, for all its ingenuity, finds difficult to overcome. " Further "It jams weapons and steals the boots from soldiers' feet. Wheels and treads spin and spin, only digging military vehicles deeper into the mire. ".
My comment: This mud is an excuse. It has been known about forever.
Last week, NATO's top commander, US Army General Christopher Cavoli stated that the Russian army operating in Ukraine is larger than when the Kremlin launched its special military operation and the Ukrainians "have to be better than the Russian force they will face" and decide when and where they will strike.
Cavoli said Russia has strategic depth in manpower and has only lost one warship and about 80 fighters and tactical bombers in an air fleet numbering about 1,000 so far. The general gently contradicted Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chief of General Staff Gen. Mark Milley who have been propagating that Russia is on the brink of defeat.
Gen. Cavoli's testimony came soon after the leaked Pentagon documents recently, which has presented a grim picture of the state of Kiev's military preparedness and the Biden Administration's lack of confidence in the Zelensky regime.
The former CIA analyst Ray McGovern told China's CGTN, "I believe it could be that some senior policymakers in the Pentagon at the highest reaches of the Department of Defense have decided, 'You know, it's a fool's errand in Ukraine. Maybe, we got to get out the truth. Maybe, we got to expose people like Joint Chief of Staff Milley and Secretary Austin for the lies they have told about Ukrainian progress and Russians being just pulverised. And, maybe, that will stop this widening of the war. ' ".
The well-known former CIA analyst Larry Johnson shares the same view. He wrote: "This looks like a controlled, directed leak. The leaked material is not random intelligence material. It is designed to tell several stories. The most prominent is the deterioration of Ukrainian capabilities and the major obstacles confronting the United States and the rest of NATO in supplying badly needed air defence, artillery shells, artillery pieces and tanks. In other words, Ukraine is going to crash and burn. ".
End of link. Zero hedge is unabashedly pro-Russia and pro-Putin but they are giving another side of things we are not seeing. People can take these articles for what they want, but I do not trust Miley and Austin for shit.
My reading of this mixed bag of information is things are going really badly for Ukraine. It is just my opinion, but I think the guys pushing the Ukraine can win narrative are getting desperate and are flat out lying now. I could be wrong, but that is my take.
Orc grunting noisesSeems that people take war crimes seriously, the one painting the walls will be Putin.
According to CNN:
Russia has suffered more than 100,000 casualties since December, including over 20,000 dead, according to White House estimates. The Kremlin has rejected the numbers.I have to side with the Kremlin here although for a reason they wouldn't like.
There is no way the Russians would only suffer 1 death for every 4 wounded. Yes, those are the "normal" proportions for "normal" modern warfare, but this war is anything but normal. Their wounded do not get pulled from the battlefield unless they can walk or crawl. They're left to die in agony that may last for days. The Russians aren't interested in pulling the wounded who couldn't be sent back to the meatgrinder. The medics too are doing everything they can to avoid risking their own lives pulling the wounded under the enemy fire.
And then, there are commanders who simply shoot their wounded who can't move.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10820515/Putins-commanders-slaughtering-wounded-soldiers-captured-Russian-troops-reveal.html
The level of cynicism and callousness toward their own comrades is almost unimaginable, but it is what it is.
Not a "schadenfreude" on my part. If the Russian casualties amount to 100,000, it means at least half of them are dead. It's a simple logic.
Can you find the frankness needed to answer a simple question with an equally simple answer? Fuck the war, in its generalized and abstract sense, and fuck Realpolitik and similar issues. So, let's try this again. Will the third time be a charm, or a strikeout?
"Here's a video interview of a Wagner mercenary who has returned to Russia from fighting in Ukraine. In the interview, he states (among other disclosures) that he was given explicit orders to kill civilians, including children. In one graphic passage, he talks about shooting a girl who was about 5 or 6 years of age. He killed her with a shot to the head.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...13152414732288
Here's my challenge to you: Can you describe, in a simple single sentence, your reaction as a moral being to this (IMO) quintessential example of evil?
Please don't do yourself a disservice by engaging in some (for this particular moral issue) detached pundit-style discussion of a geopolitical or policy topic. It's a simple question that begs an equally simple answer"..JM, I answered your question. I didn't waver or equivocate. The Russian atrocities are disgusting and should be punished to the extent possible. I appreciate your impassioned support and belief in the Ukraine. I'm not challenging the Ukraine's right to their pre-2014 borders.
Our heated exchange started with a discussion about Crimea as a must-have Ukrainian objective and Crimea's ties to Russia or lack thereof. The fact that I see discussions all over the internet on the Crimea means that opinions are forming on the peninsula being a key Ukrainian objective.
Here's an interesting passage from Politico to give context:
"And this time, more western policy-makers — providing the arms, the financing and the diplomatic support necessary for Ukraine to finally achieve its goal of retaking "every inch" of Russian-occupied Ukraine — are increasingly along for the ride. "No matter what the Ukrainians decide about Crimea in terms of where they choose to fight. Ukraine is not going to be safe unless Crimea is at a minimum, at a minimum, demilitarized," undersecretary of state Victoria Nuland recently said. Or as Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh announced last month, the USA Will back Ukraine's efforts to reclaim the peninsula it first lost nearly a decade ago. ".
I will say this again. I don't care who tries to twist it or attack me. A political settlement as opposed to a sweeping military victory will likely be necessary to end the hostilities. You have mentioned the collapse of the Putin regime as a result of Ukrainian battlefield successes. This too is really a political solution. While we can all hope, it's also not something to count on as the impetus for terminating the war.
(Sorry for my delay in responding. I've been busy and I wanted to try to respond thoughtfully without trying to raise the heat unnecessarily.).
My point in showing this was that if you look at both sides there is an issue with munitions. The key to me is if the West continues to supply Ukraine. I think JM has the idea that the West's goal was Ukrainian victory but I think it really was to weaken Russia. Hell, the Dems are still convinced that Putin was responsible for Trump and the 2016 victory. Yeah, Russia has North Korea, and North Korea buys from China so while the Chinese say they are not helping Russia too much, this could be a way around that.
Yeah, that Atlantic article is terribly wishful thinking IMO and love that pic of the ladies. LOL.
This is just my opinion but the Western nations seem to be getting a bit desperate:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/murdochs-spoke-zelenskyy-weeks-firing-anti-war-host-tucker-carlson
Both Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy shortly before firing Fox News' anti-war host Tucker Carlson, who has repeatedly asked why the United States is sending vast resources to one of the most historically corrupt nations on the planet while neglecting its own citizens.
I think Carlson had a good point. We are on the verge of a debt crisis, and I am still not seeing much value for the USA in this war.
And this: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/kirby-claims-whopping-100000-russian-casualties-bakhmut-alone.
In a Monday press briefing National Security Council spokesman John Kirby issued a surprisingly high estimate of Russian casualties which he said took place since December fighting in the contested Donetsk city of Bakhmut.And, when it comes to opinion, there's no way to say 100% whether it's right or wrong. Actually, let me qualify that a bit. You can judge opinions using 20-20 hindsight, but upcoming events are a different matter. A good track record is a positive thing, but it's no guarantee that future predictions will be correct. And a bad track record is a negative thing, but it's no guarantee that future predictions will be wrong.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but, unless and until what they "think" and "predict" is reflected in facts on the ground, all that opinion = exactly zero. And aggregating opinion on top of opinion doesn't change that calculus.
And it's also fair to point out how many of the pundits you cite are pro-Russia, anti-Ukraine, or both. Larry Johnson, for example, has a track record of appearing on Russian and Chinese propaganda outlets. He's entitled to his opinion but it's worth observing that he's arguably not exactly a neutral observer.
That's not to say there aren't a number of pro-Ukraine analysts and pundits, such as retired generals Ben Hodges and Mark Hertling. And, while their military expertise is head and shoulders above most, that's still no guarantee.
All the focus on opinion is completely wrongheaded, IMO (pun intended), as the war will be decided on the battlefield. And I'll take an ounce of factual info over a ton of opinion any day.
P.S. About mud being an excuse, if you follow any of the channels that show video of areas near the frontlines, you'd see the reality of the rasputitsa. There's a reason this season has a specific name. It was a factor in WW-II campaigns and weather has always been a key factor in battle. Assuming a Ukrainian offensive would rely heavily on the use of tanks and vehicles, they'd be foolish to attack prematurely. Bottom line, you don't know, I don't know, and opinions are a dime a dozen.
P. P.S. Your opinion as to what I think is even less relevant than all the BS above. I don't give a fuck about the West's agenda. I back Ukraine because they're defending themselves against aggression, and the right of self-defense is a moral absolute. And I oppose Russia because they are the aggressor. And, building on that latter fact, I DESPISE Putin and his Orcs because they're pursuing their aggression in a depraved, atrocity-laden way. If I merely opposed them, I would simply wish for them to fail and leave Ukraine. But, because I despise and hate them for the cruelties and atrocities they've committed, my wish for every perpetrator is that they die horribly (at least as horribly as their victims) and burn in lowest circle of hell. Is that clear enough for you?
DramaFree11
05-04-23, 00:55
According to CNN:
I have to side with the Kremlin here although for a reason they wouldn't like.
There is no way the Russians would only suffer 1 death for every 4 wounded. Yes, those are the "normal" proportions for "normal" modern warfare, but this war is anything but normal. Their wounded do not get pulled from the battlefield unless they can walk or crawl. They're left to die in agony that may last for days. The Russians aren't interested in pulling the wounded who couldn't be sent back to the meatgrinder. The medics too are doing everything they can to avoid risking their own lives pulling the wounded under the enemy fire.
And then, there are commanders who simply shoot their wounded who can't move.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10820515/Putins-commanders-slaughtering-wounded-soldiers-captured-Russian-troops-reveal.html
The level of cynicism and callousness toward their own comrades is almost unimaginable, but it is what it is.
Not a "schadenfreude" on my part. If the Russian casualties amount to 100,000, it means at least half of them are dead. It's a simple logic.You guys have to stop reading and watching CNN. When is the last time they have told the truth about anything.
Our heated exchange started with a discussion about Crimea as a must-have Ukrainian objective and Crimea's ties to Russia or lack thereof.No, the "heated" part of the exchange started with you presuming to tell me that I was taking things too personally. And that led me to challenge you, repeatedly and directly, to take that geopolitical stick out of your ass and respond to Russia's atrocities on a strictly personal and moral plane. I even provided you with an example of a particularly heinous act, the cold-blooded shooting of a young girl in the head, in hopes of knocking you out of your detached, navel-gazing mode.
Even now, after a cursory acknowledgement of Russian atrocities, presented as though you're viewing them through a long-distance, indifferent lens, you rush to take refuge under your abstract geopolitical comfort blanket. I guess that stick up your ass must be surgically attached, huh?
Oh, and if you're wondering why I edited out all the ancillary geopolitical BS you posted, you'll find the answer in the paragraph below. I used it in my response to Elvis but it's equally applicable here.
"I don't give a fuck about the West's agenda. I back Ukraine because they're defending themselves against aggression, and the right of self-defense is a moral absolute. And I oppose Russia because they are the aggressor. And, building on that latter fact, I DESPISE Putin and his Orcs because they're pursuing their aggression in a depraved, atrocity-laden way. If I merely opposed them, I would simply wish for them to fail and leave Ukraine. But, because I despise and hate them for the cruelties and atrocities they've committed, my wish for every perpetrator is that they die horribly (at least as horribly as their victims) and burn in lowest circle of hell".
That's it in a nutshell, 100% morality and 0% geopolitics. Any questions?
When a majority of Russians hear of (Tucker) Carlson the image of Karlsson-on-the-Roof comes to mind. Karlsson is a character in a series of children's books by the Swedish author Astrid Lindgren.
Of course, we can debate if 150 of 152 mm artillery shells is enough to suppress a platoon on a hectare. Pulverizing everything is not a goal of this war. The West of course will supply until one moment it is going to stop. This type of support is unconscionable and inevitably will end in ignominy. The sooner the gang at the scene in Kiev will follow the fate of the former government of South Vietnam the better.
When a majority of Russians hear of Putin the image of a pathetic loser comes to mind. Pathetic post-Soviet losers, like Putin, Yeltsin, and Medvedev, are characters in a series of comic books by the Russian author Havuhadinov.
Of course, we can debate if tossing one pathetic loser is enough to suppress a platoon on a hectare, or whether two or three are needed. Pulverizing every last Orc is a goal of this war. The West of course will supply until one moment it is going to shove it up Putin's ass. This type of support is laudable and inevitably will end in Russia's ignominy. The sooner the gang at the scene in Moscow will follow the fate of the current government of North Korea the better.Couldn't agree more! Keep these nuggets coming!
DramaFree11
05-04-23, 02:55
My point in showing this was that if you look at both sides there is an issue with munitions. The key to me is if the West continues to supply Ukraine. I think JM has the idea that the West's goal was Ukrainian victory but I think it really was to weaken Russia. Hell, the Dems are still convinced that Putin was responsible for Trump and the 2016 victory. Yeah, Russia has North Korea, and North Korea buys from China so while the Chinese say they are not helping Russia too much, this could be a way around that.
Yeah, that Atlantic article is terribly wishful thinking IMO and love that pic of the ladies. LOL.
This is just my opinion but the Western nations seem to be getting a bit desperate:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/murdochs-spoke-zelenskyy-weeks-firing-anti-war-host-tucker-carlson
Both Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy shortly before firing Fox News' anti-war host Tucker Carlson, who has repeatedly asked why the United States is sending vast resources to one of the most historically corrupt nations on the planet while neglecting its own citizens.
I think Carlson had a good point. We are on the verge of a debt crisis, and I am still not seeing much value for the USA in this war.
And this: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/kirby-claims-whopping-100000-russian-casualties-bakhmut-alone.
In a Monday press briefing National Security Council spokesman John Kirby issued a surprisingly high estimate of Russian casualties which he said took place since December fighting in the contested Donetsk city of Bakhmut.
He said Russian forces have suffered over 100,000 total casualties. Including about 20,000 soldiers killed in combat and another 80,000 wounded.
End of link. To me, that number just sounds like total bullshit.
And this: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-long-awaited-ukrainian-counteroffensive-delayed.
So Kirby paints a picture of a teetering Russian army, and still there's no counteroffensive on the horizon. "But for the moment, they are barely moving forward, stalled not by ferocious Russian attacks, but by an enemy no less tenacious: the viscous central Ukrainian mud," The New York Times wrote Monday. A Ukrainian officer interviewed by the Times acknowledged that "Until the weather improves, there will be no counteroffensive. " This is because: "the vehicles will get stuck and then what will we do if the shooting starts?
The report further describes why Ukraine is holding off in saying, "Deep and black, with a consistency similar to a mixture of cookie dough and wet cement, the spring mud is one obstacle that the Ukrainian military, for all its ingenuity, finds difficult to overcome. " Further "It jams weapons and steals the boots from soldiers' feet. Wheels and treads spin and spin, only digging military vehicles deeper into the mire. ".
My comment: This mud is an excuse. It has been known about forever.
Last week, NATO's top commander, US Army General Christopher Cavoli stated that the Russian army operating in Ukraine is larger than when the Kremlin launched its special military operation and the Ukrainians "have to be better than the Russian force they will face" and decide when and where they will strike.
Cavoli said Russia has strategic depth in manpower and has only lost one warship and about 80 fighters and tactical bombers in an air fleet numbering about 1,000 so far. The general gently contradicted Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chief of General Staff Gen. Mark Milley who have been propagating that Russia is on the brink of defeat.
Gen. Cavoli's testimony came soon after the leaked Pentagon documents recently, which has presented a grim picture of the state of Kiev's military preparedness and the Biden Administration's lack of confidence in the Zelensky regime.
The former CIA analyst Ray McGovern told China's CGTN, "I believe it could be that some senior policymakers in the Pentagon at the highest reaches of the Department of Defense have decided, 'You know, it's a fool's errand in Ukraine. Maybe, we got to get out the truth. Maybe, we got to expose people like Joint Chief of Staff Milley and Secretary Austin for the lies they have told about Ukrainian progress and Russians being just pulverised. And, maybe, that will stop this widening of the war. ' ".
The well-known former CIA analyst Larry Johnson shares the same view. He wrote: "This looks like a controlled, directed leak. The leaked material is not random intelligence material. It is designed to tell several stories. The most prominent is the deterioration of Ukrainian capabilities and the major obstacles confronting the United States and the rest of NATO in supplying badly needed air defence, artillery shells, artillery pieces and tanks. In other words, Ukraine is going to crash and burn. ".
End of link. Zero hedge is unabashedly pro-Russia and pro-Putin but they are giving another side of things we are not seeing. People can take these articles for what they want, but I do not trust Miley and Austin for shit.
My reading of this mixed bag of information is things are going really badly for Ukraine. It is just my opinion, but I think the guys pushing the Ukraine can win narrative are getting desperate and are flat out lying now. I could be wrong, but that is my take.Elvis, I think the next 2-4 weeks are crucial for Ukraine military. If they can somehow mount spring offensive, (I have my doubts), they might have a chance. They have to gain some momentum quickly or they will be wiped out. Time will tell, but the media is starting to change their tune that maybe Ukraine military is starting to lose. I think we will have our answer the first week in June maybe sooner.
Maybe, Biden and the allies will come to there senses at start a road to piece, but there are no signs of this happening, they just keep doubling down.
Orc having an opinion on press freedom.Tell us again how someone is allowed to freely express their opinion when there are muscovites around?
No, the "heated" part of the exchange started with you presuming to tell me that I was taking things too personally. And that led me to challenge you, repeatedly and directly, to take that geopolitical stick out of your ass and respond to Russia's atrocities on a strictly personal and moral plane. I even provided you with an example of a particularly heinous act, the cold-blooded shooting of a young girl in the head, in hopes of knocking you out of your detached, navel-gazing mode.
Even now, after a cursory acknowledgement of Russian atrocities, presented as though you're viewing them through a long-distance, indifferent lens, you rush to take refuge under your abstract geopolitical comfort blanket. I guess that stick up your ass must be surgically attached, huh?
Oh, and if you're wondering why I edited out all the ancillary geopolitical BS you posted, you'll find the answer in the paragraph below. I used it in my response to Elvis but it's equally applicable here.I'm guessing you are here to try to persuade others that the Ukraine War is a cause we must commit to resolutely. However, I don't see you persuading. Instead, you are shouting down on someone who has been in mostly support of your posts. No one has to be in 100% agreement with your perspective to show loyalty to the Ukrainian cause.
I do think you take it too personally. So what? I don't want to here aggressive retorts that I don't care about the Russian atrocities. Or the the old social media standby "you're not answering my question" repeatedly to establish dominance over someone and the thread.
If you want to be effective at delivering your message, I would dial it down a bit. Maybe quite a bit. Let some opinions breathe without feeling compelled to suffocate anyone whose opinion doesn't conform to yours. In case you haven't noticed, this thread is the same hand full of people shouting at each other day-in and day-out on an "anonymous fuckboard."
Elvis, I think the next 2-4 weeks are crucial for Ukraine military. If they can somehow mount spring offensive, (I have my doubts), they might have a chance.The 2-4 week timeline is reasonable, although weather is an important factor, as I mentioned in my response to Elvis, and that's beyond anyone's control. The last thing Ukraine will want is to start an offensive and get (literally) bogged down.
And I have no doubt that Ukraine will launch an offensive. They've announced it, and everyone (internally and externally) expects it. In anticipation they've been training troops and accumulating resources so, given the circumstances, inaction would understandably be viewed as failure.
To what degree that offensive succeeds is a different matter. That remains to be seen, although it's relevant to point out that Ukraine has demonstrated an ability to surprise.
They have to gain some momentum quickly or they will be wiped out.Really? What's your definition of momentum? And what evidence can you present that Russia's military currently has the capacity to do any "wiping" out? With the exception of perhaps Bakhmut, which has turned into a meat-grinder attritional battle, Russia has either been going backwards or remained static. If you have sources to back up your assessment that Russia retains significant "wiped out" capability, kindly share some links.
Time will tell, but the media is starting to change their tune that maybe Ukraine military is starting to lose.Which media, specifically? And are these fact-based stories or opinion pieces? The latter, as I've repeatedly pointed out, have mostly been wrong and are a dime a dozen.
I think we will have our answer the first week in June maybe sooner.Again, weather-dependent but not an unreasonable timeline.
Maybe, Biden and the allies will come to there senses at start a road to piece, but there are no signs of this happening, they just keep doubling down.The definition of peace depends on who you ask. For Russia, it means "Give us what we want, all or a significant part of Ukraine." For Ukraine it means reclaiming their 1991 borders and gaining assurances (via NATO membership or otherwise) that future aggression by Russia will be deterred. Those positions are poles apart, neither side shows any inclination to negotiate, and neither side's allies show either the ability or inclination to push either party to the negotiating table.
Among the Western allies, there are strong voices who view the conflict as being a) a continuation of Russia's 2014 aggression; b) more than simply a dispute between two states; c) likely to raise the threat level in Europe if Russian aggression is rewarded. Among those voices are (at a minimum) the Baltics, Poland, and the Nordics. And those views are so strongly held that they can't and won't be disregarded by larger allies.
Also, as far as doubling-down is concerned, it's actually quite a rational strategy if you believe you hold a winning hand. Whether or not that's the case will only be known with the benefit of hindsight.
Nice seeing you put Wyatt on the spot for the third time, but this "abstract" "generalized" "realpolitik" softcore isolationism occasionally seasoned with sympathy for Russian propaganda is all we've gotten from Wyatt for the last 14 months, and with little consideration to the unfolding narrative. If you've read one of his posts you've read them all, thus for the most part I've stopped reading them.
I'll add that with someone like Elvis it's direct. You know exactly what you are getting and where's he coming from. Wyatt's ad nauseam and disingenuous pseudo-intellectualism though is especially nauseating.
And yes, the Russians are war criminals. Their actions should invoke an emotional reaction from anyone with a moral conscience. Fact is though that many on the planet do not have one. Life is only viewed and lived with the aim of what pleasures they can personally get out of it. It's thus very easy and perfectly natural for them to operate in the abstract when it comes to the tribulations of other people.Apparently Paulie, it is lost on you that you are in the International Sex Guide website on a thread called Stupid Shit in Kyiv calling another participant a pseudo-intellectual. JM seems to have self-awareness that we are on a sex forum. I believe he called it an "anonymous fuckboard".
Part of the reason the various "Stupid Shit" threads were created here was the moderators were tired of having to moderate the hyperaggressive pundits and self-proclaimed experts that routinely turn up on ISG to tell everyone how everything works and how they should think. I am doing neither. I have given my opinion on how the war might end. I just don't see how it ends in the nice, neat resolution that some others believe.
If it helps you understand the world better to divide everybody into two opposing camps with strict lines, you do what you got to do. Most Americans are pragmatic about the Ukraine war. Hope for the best, but prepare for something less might be a good way to put it. As far as this thread, I'm perfectly comfortable disagreeing with Elvis, ignoring the Russophiles and challenging JM on occasion all in a civil manner.
If you believe that the Ukrainians will push back the Russians to the pre-2014 borders including out of Crimea and the conflict will mostly be over. That is just an opinion. It could play out that way. I have simply offered an opinion, consistently I might add, that is questioning the ability to achieve an ideal outcome. That doesn't mean I don't support the Ukrainians.
You should be telling us your opinion on how the war ends. Basically, you have to write an ending. While the collapse of the Putin regime has been discussed, that is neither a political resolution the Ukrainians or the West directly control nor one they can depend on. So let's skip the personal targeting and discuss the war's progress and end.
I'm guessing you are here to try to persuade others that the Ukraine War is a cause we must commit to resolutely.You guess wrong. I'm not trying to persuade anyone. I post facts and analyses I think are interesting and relevant and people are free to decide for themselves. Similarly, when people post narrative and opinion, dressed up as fact, I'm happy to point out facts that burst that bubble.
Either way, I frankly don't give a fuck what they believe, because the war will play out how it plays out. Oh, but I do enjoy making fun of the Putin FanBoy clique. That doesn't mean I'm trying to persuade them either, because they're immune to fact.
However, I don't see you persuading. Instead, you are shouting down on someone who has been in mostly support of your posts. No one has to be in 100% agreement with your perspective to show loyalty to the Ukrainian cause.I don't give a fuck what you think. Especially now that you've conclusively demonstrated yourself to be morally impaired. Whether you're a moral cripple, or a moral coward, you'll have to decide for yourself. And others can read each and every moral challenge that was placed before you, and render their own judgments on your repeated evasions. I'm not trying to convince them either, the posts speak for themselves.
I do think you take it too personally. So what?No problem. I do think you can go fuck yourself. So what?
I don't want to here aggressive retorts that I don't care about the Russian atrocities. Or the the old social media standby "you're not answering my question" repeatedly to establish dominance over someone and the thread.If you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen. If YOU hadn't taken it upon yourself to play the role of "school marm," lecturing me about how I should "feel," there would have been no retort. Oh, and if this is too aggressive for you, I suggest you either drag your pussy-ass somewhere else, or maybe just STFU instead of presuming to lecture others.
BTW, you'd actually be more believable if you dropped any pretense at caring, since it's glaringly obvious you don't. Someone who at least is honest about their moral indifference is better than someone who expresses pseudo-concern.
I would dial it down a bit. Maybe quite a bit. Let some opinions breathe without feeling compelled to suffocate anyone whose opinion doesn't conform to yours.Once again, go fuck yourself. Since you've conclusively shown yourself to be a moral pygmy, pretending to care (in the oh-so-comfortable abstract), why should your second attempt at lecturing meet with anything less than the same contempt merited by the first?
In case you haven't noticed, this thread is the same hand full of people shouting at each other day-in and day-out on an "anonymous fuckboard."In case you haven't noticed, I much prefer HONEST exchanges, even if they involve shouting, over the kind of mealy-mouthed, weasel-worded, piss-ant contributions you offer.
I'm perfectly able to deal with robust debate, even if it crosses into shouting and nastiness. And that's because I'm confident in my ability to construct sound arguments that are based on facts and evidence.
But, when someone presumes to tell me how I should feel, especially when that person has put his moral impairment on full display, then the shotgun gets loaded and the volume gets turned up. Don't like it? Tough shit. When you choose to start something, completely unsolicited and uncalled for, you choose to reap what you've sown.
BTW, I'm more than primed for another round, are you? If you think you've seen aggressive and enraged, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Should you take him to Bethesda Naval Hospital, will he jump to the Dark Side from the highest floor?
You guys have to stop reading and watching CNN. When is the last time they have told the truth about anything.CNN (just like all other American media) quoted Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It would take you 10 seconds to research the topic. Much less than writing that bullshit, pointless post of yours.
The only thing you're capable of is blabbering about the imminent demise of Ukraine. On and on, ad nauseum for over a year -- that's all you've been doing since the war broke out.
Pathetic!
Elvis 2008
05-05-23, 07:10
Elvis, I think the next 2-4 weeks are crucial for Ukraine military. If they can somehow mount spring offensive, (I have my doubts), they might have a chance. They have to gain some momentum quickly or they will be wiped out. Time will tell, but the media is starting to change their tune that maybe Ukraine military is starting to lose. I think we will have our answer the first week in June maybe sooner.Yeah, I got a feeling that those who were towing the we-are-winning-in-Ukraine members of the press are hedging their bets. The latest drone attack on the Kremlin reeked of desperation.
Maybe, Biden and the allies will come to there senses at start a road to piece, but there are no signs of this happening, they just keep doubling down.Yeah, I have been surprised Biden's crazy spending has not led to a recession yet. When that happens, even the Fed is predicting it, then the aid to Ukraine will be in jeopardy. I wonder if Ukraine has the USA's blessing to make a deal right now. I hope they do.
Orc sad noises, "I am a LoZer"Good morning, have you had your breakfast? For Muscovites, this is the MOST important meal of the day.
DramaFree11
05-05-23, 15:40
CNN (just like all other American media) quoted Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It would take you 10 seconds to research the topic. Much less than writing that bullshit, pointless post of yours.
The only thing you're capable of is blabbering about the imminent demise of Ukraine. On and on, ad nauseum for over a year -- that's all you've been doing since the war broke out.
Pathetic!You are living in dream world, stop watching crazy ass liberal media. We will have all.
The answers in the next couple of weeks.
Sorry to tell you, but Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked directly and in directly. There will be nothing left, but a broke and destroyed country. That is definitely a win, in your liberal world.
Ukraine needs to start negotiating quickly and stop listening to Biden and buddies. As Elvis said the latest stunt of flying Drones in Moscow is a big mistake.
Time will tell who is correct!
Elvis 2008
05-05-23, 17:37
I'm guessing you are here to try to persuade others that the Ukraine War is a cause we must commit to resolutely. However, I don't see you persuading. Instead, you are shouting down on someone who has been in mostly support of your posts. No one has to be in 100% agreement with your perspective to show loyalty to the Ukrainian cause.
I do think you take it too personally. So what? I don't want to here aggressive retorts that I don't care about the Russian atrocities. Or the the old social media standby "you're not answering my question" repeatedly to establish dominance over someone and the thread.
If you want to be effective at delivering your message, I would dial it down a bit. Maybe quite a bit. Let some opinions breathe without feeling compelled to suffocate anyone whose opinion doesn't conform to yours. In case you haven't noticed, this thread is the same hand full of people shouting at each other day-in and day-out on an "anonymous fuckboard."Great post, Wyatt! Yeah, I liked JM's posts. I knew what side he was on, and I used to respect his posts and what he brought to the table. Lately, it has been personal attacks and just stupid narcissistic comments (I will decide which facts are true.).
No one knows what is really going on. The government has too much at stake to allow uncensored views of what is happening. In that way, it is like Covid. With that, I had to run to unconventional sources to get to what I considered the truth, and the same goes here.
So much of our information is censored or put forward in a way that makes the government look good. You could easily identify a liberal from 2017 on because anything in government that went wrong was Trump's fault. You could say anything about him but the lettered agencies used to be honest as the day is long. Those days are gone.
I noticed most of the cop shows had a black boss after Obama was elected, but my favorite entertainment pertaining to the government was the show Narcos. The DEA chief was canned in 2014 for among other things having agents who were fucking hookers paid by the drug cartels still at the DEA. The show Narcos skirted the payment issue but gave us DEA agents fucking hookers but it was for intelligence purposes. Yes, they were fucking hookers for our benefit! Those agents are still there by the way.
Still, I remember when the lab leak theory in April 2021 was allowed to be discussed in the press and was somehow not a racist attack on the Chinese. LOL. And now we are seeing reports that are saying Ukraine is in trouble, and those reports are not met with calls that you want to kiss Putin's ass. And FWIW, I think this kid Teixeria leaking documents had something to do with that.
You are living in dream world, stop watching crazy ass liberal media. We will have all.
The answers in the next couple of weeks.
Sorry to tell you, but Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked directly and in directly. There will be nothing left, but a broke and destroyed country. That is definitely a win, in your liberal world.
Ukraine needs to start negotiating quickly and stop listening to Biden and buddies. As Elvis said the latest stunt of flying Drones in Moscow is a big mistake.
Time will tell who is correct!Drama, It is unclear why you persist in posting statements that appear to lack basic literacy and demonstrate a level of reasoning that is reminiscent of an eight-year-old. While there are individuals on this forum who hold varying beliefs and perspectives, your posts are notably unsophisticated and unintentionally funny. Your time would be better spend learning language (any language, for that matter, including your native) and increasing your overall level of analytical abilities by getting your hands on some elementary math textbooks.
You are living in dream world, stop watching crazy ass liberal media. We will have all.
The answers in the next couple of weeks.
Sorry to tell you, but Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked directly and in directly. There will be nothing left, but a broke and destroyed country. That is definitely a win, in your liberal world.
Ukraine needs to start negotiating quickly and stop listening to Biden and buddies. As Elvis said the latest stunt of flying Drones in Moscow is a big mistake.
Time will tell who is correct!Have news for you.
Time has spoken.
You're a paid olginsky troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
Your "mongering activities" in other threads are most likely fakes. You most likely have never been to Mexico or Colombia.
No one can keep repeating the same dumb, ridiculous, thoroughly debunked shit for over a year, as if they were on a mission -- unless they ARE on a mission.
To be honest, I had my doubts, so I've carved a few quotes from your rich "library" to keep them all on the same page.
You're claiming to be from Texas. In my opinion, you don't live in this country.
It's astonishing that Russia would waste money on propagandists on a fucking mongering forum, but what do I know! I guess we're Very Important People after all, LOL.
Anyway, here goes.
March 2022.
Ukraine decided to take on a bully and is getting absolutely destroyed as result. Any deal is good deal at this point, nobody is coming to help them and if thought that was going to happen, maybe one of the biggest miscalculation of all time.
There will be nothing will be left of Ukraine
Nobody is winning. This is a total mess. The war needs to end yesterday, somebody needs to win.
When your country is destroyed, sorry that is not a win. They will never get into NATO because of the corruption. Yes, both Russia and Ukraine are screwed.May 2022.
Ukraine loses either way. A tie is not a win, if there is nothing left.
Nobody is winning, this is total mess. The longer this craziness continues, the world economy will tank, this is almost worst scenario, minus a Nuclear War.
So true, they should be forced to negotiate and compromise. Instead of sending weapons, we should say enough is enough. Find a solution and end this crazy war.
We should be demanding a ceasefire and negotiations. Cut off some of the money and weapons, you will see a settlement quickly.
They need to find a solution to end this, both sides need to compromise. Nobody is winning.
Let's see how well the great Ukraine army does, they sure as hell were not calling the shots at the beginning, maybe a little now. They have done amazing up to this point, but now is time for compromise. Yes, Ukraine is partially to blame for this mess they are in and if the get greedy they will end up flattened and broke.
This is endless stupid war. Yes, Ukraine government is partially to blame for all there lies, corruption and silly games
Both sides are terrible, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt governments ever or an Evil Dictator, pick your poison.
If gas goes up much more and Ukraine is unwilling to negotiate, support will dry up fast for Ukraine.
As usual Ukraine will lose because of corruption and greed. They were winning, but there leadership was too stupid to make a deal.
I have bad news for you, Ukraine is now losing and it is only going to get worse. They need a solution or a compromise quickly. The longer this goes on the worse it will get for Ukraine and the world's economy. Ukraine will end up with almost nothing, but that is what they do best lose.
Ukraine government has about 1-2 months to figure this out, or they are in deep shit. Public opinion will start shifting when the media starts reporting about all the corruption that is and was going on in Ukraine. Then the funds, support and weapons will dry up. The better start negotiating, or they will end up with almost nothing.
July 2022
I give the liberal Media, 1-2 months, and they will turn on Ukraine Government. They will bring up the corruption and start asking questions. Also, they will questioning why there is almost zero negotiations going on to end this war. This will be the end of the Ukraine government.
They are destroying there country and the world economy. Negotiate before it is too late.
Until Ukraine and there allies wake up and decide to have a winning strategy they are going to lose big time.
Liberals are good at losing, and Ukraine Government is even better at losing. This time Ukraine is taking the world economy down with them and our Great Pres.
Ukraine looses either way, but there government is too stupid to realize this. So sad!!
Why Ukraine would risk everything over joining a corrupt organization,(NAtO), beats me. They can have NATO, we should pull out, let Ukraine have NATO.
Ukraine is being destroyed, there people are getting killed or wounded, there will be nothing left to fight over.
We want the war to end. Either way Ukraine is totally screwed, as usual.
August 2022
Pres. Z. Is going to get everyone killed and there will be nothing left to fight over. I guess this is Winning strategy, he must be a Democratic, they love to lose.
There is no way Ukraine wins, only in your Video Game and your Fantasy world. Unfortunately Pres. Z. is playing the same game you are playing, he is getting many incident people killed in the process and his country is being destroyed.
You are delusional, living in a fantasy world and no desire to negotiate. Unfortunately, many will die from this ridiculous war. Russia will get the ports and Ukraine will end up with almost nothing, but in your world that is a win.
This is the words negotiations have come out of your month. Both parties should be negotiating, including your hero Pres. Z. The head clown in charge.
I am sure reality is starting to sink in for Pres. Z. Ukraine is in a no win situation, it will only get worse.
Exactly, either way Ukraine loses. They are being played.November 2022.
XMan war is Hell and people die. This is what happens, both parties are guilty. These guys need to find some middle ground and reach a settlement.
The funny thing is, I have talked about negotiating and finding a solution, you and your crazy ass friends want this to continue. The world is going into a recession and Europe is about to freeze there ass off this winter, I guess this is what you wanted. All this could have been prevented.December 2022.
Ukraine is screwed either way, so they mights well finish off Russia military, hopefully they will not get nuked in the process. 2 corrupt countries, fighting over joining an even bigger corrupt organization, NATO. When your country is destroyed, and a majority of the country is long gone, this is not a win!February 2023.
Ukraine is being wiped out. You are losing a generation of men, maybe more. Those that are able to flee are leaving and will never return. At the end the world will turn on Pres. Z. he has. Ruined Ukraine, this is not a win.
This is a needless war. The west is using Pres. Z. , when they do not need him anymore or the war is not winnable, they will dump him.March 2023.
You guys are dreaming that there will be a Spring Offensive from Ukraine, they are finished. I do believe that parts of the reports are true, but this guy was probably set-up by the CIA. Interesting how the media is suddenly talking about corruption in Ukraine government. Something is definitely up. The Ukraine military has done an amazing job and totally over achieved, but they are done, time negotiations, that should have happened, 13 months ago.
You guys truly live in a Fantasy world. Ukraine is done. The sooner they figure that out, many lives will be saved, we can move on, and we will avoid World War 3. Sometimes I actually believe this is what you want. You wanted a war, now we all have to deal with the consequences, and Ukraine is being destroyed, but in your liberal world this might be a win.
You will have no military left in 10 months. You guys truly are delusional.
They should have been negotiating, from a the beginning. This will end horribly for the Ukraine people and the longer this drags on the worse it will be for all parties, especially Ukraine, they are being destroyed.April 2023.
Here is today's.
Ukraine is getting destroyed. Putin is now stronger then ever, the sanction have done nothing, but bring Russia and China closer.
You are living in dream world, stop watching crazy ass liberal media. We will have all.
The answers in the next couple of weeks.
Sorry to tell you, but Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked directly and in directly. There will be nothing left, but a broke and destroyed country. That is definitely a win, in your liberal world.
Ukraine needs to start negotiating quickly and stop listening to Biden and buddies. As Elvis said the latest stunt of flying Drones in Moscow is a big mistake. Time will tell who is correct!And here is the winner:
You live in a fantasy world-- addressing your opponents more than 20 times over the last year.
Fantasy world, indeed.
The West's "Empire of Lies" in Ukraine - https://youtu.be/bUEHeVIQHts.
Drama, It is unclear why you persist in posting statements that appear to lack basic literacy and demonstrate a level of reasoning that is reminiscent of an eight-year-old. While there are individuals on this forum who hold varying beliefs and perspectives, your posts are notably unsophisticated and unintentionally funny. Your time would be better spend learning language (any language, for that matter, including your native) and increasing your overall level of analytical abilities by getting your hands on some elementary math textbooks.Drama is one of those illiterate MAGAs so don't expect education. He was ripped of repeatedly by Ukrainian scammers as he is not that clever so has a deep seated hatred for Ukraine.
Great post, Wyatt! Yeah, I liked JM's posts. I knew what side he was on, and I used to respect his posts and what he brought to the table. Lately, it has been personal attacks and just stupid narcissistic comments (I will decide which facts are true.).1. Which side I'm on has been crystal clear from my very first post. No mystery there, even for the most obtuse.
2. Wyatt made it personal by presuming to lecture me about how I should feel. Once someone makes it personal, it's rather pathetic to whine about a personal response.
3. I have never once stated that I "decide" which facts are true. And I challenge you to produce a SINGLE thing I've posted to back up your BS assertion. True facts speak for themselves and they have an amazing ability to rise conspicuously and persistently above pseudo-evidence and opinion-based narrative. For any facts I've posted, I welcome rebuttal and debate. I will always acknowledge fact-based positions and, wherever those facts lead, that's where I'll follow.
It's unfortunate how many, like you, decide first which narrative they prefer, and then selectively choose facts that fit therein.
Confirmation bias much?
The West's "Empire of Lies" in Ukraine - https://youtu.be/bUEHeVIQHts.The perfect example of that is their self-delusion about supposedly winning WW-II without any help from the West.
In fact, May 9th is their primary Festival of Delusion. Too bad so many Russian cities will not be holding any parades. And those parades that might take place will be even more pathetic caricatures than usual.
Yeah, I got a feeling that those who were towing the we-are-winning-in-Ukraine members of the press are hedging their bets. The latest drone attack on the Kremlin reeked of desperation.https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/16700
"If you carry out a false flag operation you are supposed to follow up, as if it was genuine, to give you at least marginal credibility, but the Kremlin stooges are so full of themselves that they did not even bother to try to be credible".
"How could they instantly know that Ukraine was behind the attack? How could they believe that anybody would be so dumb as to expect Putin in the Kremlin at night? Why were two men on the dome of the Senate Building in the middle of the night? Why were the buildings not damaged? Why did they not seek and arrest any suspect culprits? Why hasn't any responsible air defense generals been sacked? How pathetic, Putin".
Here's an opinion piece, by a Swedish author, that raises some relevant questions about things that happened during the incident (2 men climbing the Kremlin dome, in the middle of the night, at the exact time of the attack, really?) as well as things that should reasonably have happened in the aftermath (no one held accountable or sacked over the intrusion). The article makes additional points but the above excerpts capture the gist of the argument.
Once again, the knee-jerk narrative ignores or avoids inconvenient facts. If it was a false flag, how desperate must the Kremlin be?
Have news for you.
Time has spoken.
You're a paid olginsky troll.
-- addressing your opponents more than 20 times over the last year.
Fantasy world, indeed.The internet never forgets. Well played!
Should you take him to Bethesda Naval Hospital, will he jump to the Dark Side from the highest floor?If so, too bad he wasn't pushed by the other guy (et tu, Patrushev?) but highly unlikely he'd poke his head out of his bunker-hole.
I am an idiot, and I suck Putin's cock every nightSeems like the raping of Ukrainians by Rachists is never ending.
Drama is one of those illiterate MAGAs so don't expect education.Let's see if ChatGPT can write a post in the style of the resident fuckhead DramaFree:
"Kyiv is done, it used to be good, but Ukraine's best days are long gone, every single woman has left. Only time will tell if things will work out for Ukrainians. There are faults on both sides. The Ukrainians brought this upon themselves by trying to have a democracy. There is a lot of corruption in Ukraine (conspicuous lack of mention of the kleptocracy he lives in). ".
The perfect example of that is their self-delusion about supposedly winning WW-II without any help from the West.Yep. And then their propagandists turn around and scream how they're not fighting Ukraine--they're fighting the whole Nato.
You're fighting the whole Nato, aren't you? Why? Because they give Ukraine tanks and some missiles (not even long-range missiles or aircraft, mind you)?
That's funny because whatever Nato's giving Ukraine now, pales in comparison with the US land lease for the USSR during the WW2.
If you're fighting the whole Nato now, then you have no claim for WW2. Make your pick, scumbags.
Apparently the wretched clown has a twatter account.
Just browsing.
https://twitter.com/obraibant/status/1654914236907134977/photo/1
https://twitter.com/CyrilleGermain/status/1654922916641792001/photo/1
Apparently the wretched clown has a twatter account.
Just browsing.
https://twitter.com/obraibant/status/1654914236907134977/photo/1
https://twitter.com/CyrilleGermain/status/1654922916641792001/photo/1Needs waxing, though. Or at least a trim.
Apparently the wretched clown has a twatter account.Speaking of clowns, we can all see the Muscovy State Circus live on the internet.
"Igor Girkin is very pessimistic today. He says it is time to start thinking about preventing Russia from falling apart because military defeat is near.
Translation:
Regular readers and listeners should remember the assessment of the situation that I laid out (and expressed) last winter. One of the theses was: "If the necessary national measures for the successful conduct of the war are not taken before May, we will not be able to win this war.
I state: NO MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN. Neither organizational nor personnel. The goals of the war have not been determined, and the inhabitants of the Planet of the Pink Ponies (PRP) have not understood that "this war will be fought until one side is victorious. Accordingly, since there is no goal, there is no strategy. No strategy. No conscious work on its implementation. But the enemy has a strategy from the beginning and is being implemented with all its might. More and more successfully since the Kremlin is "playing giveaway" with an inexplicable enthusiasm and childlike confidence in the ultimate "contract" that is comfortable for the elderly Ponies, Elephants, and Unicorns.
Now we have to think about how to preserve the state, the country and the people in a situation of impending military defeat.
And, yes. Even for a "worthy non-fatal defeat" (in which our enemies will be forced to abandon their plans for the complete fragmentation of Russia and the elimination of its sovereignty) we will have to fight long and hard. Harder and longer than it would have been if we had fought to win decisively from the outset. And the longer the occupants of the PRP will linger in the "sweet languor" of confidence in their peaceful and happy old age (which has long come for most of the VIPs) - the less chance that in the end the Russian ship will manage to get out of the military storm and systemic crisis, without sinking (after a long and bloody Troubles) into History".
https://twitter.com/VolodyaTretyak/status/1655186960577703941
P.S. In an off the record comment, Girkin suggests that Putin FanBoy Questner should subscribe to Girkin's "Twatter" channel. Girkin said that it might help Questner to extract his head from Putin's Pink Pony ass.
Is the reason you aren't at the front line that you changed your gender?
Here's a leak, the little scummy bug with his Parent 1 and Parent 2.
Here's a leak, the little scummy bug with his Parent 1 and Parent 2.What's the Russian word for "Depends," and also for scummy? And it's reported that he has some bodyguards who specialize in cleaning up #1 leaks, and others who specialize in cleaning up #2.
I'm guessing you'd be a likely candidate for the #2 group.
Here's a leak, my trousers when the AFU is nearAre the chinese lessons going well?
"Rampant corruption is reported to have rendered Russia's ballistic missile early warning system virtually useless. Scams by contractors are said to have led to unsuitable foreign-made components being used on a wide scale".
"Most of the components, as usual, were purchased abroad and under the guise of procuring expensive transistors protected from interference and radiation, the brains of the radar were supplied with cheap parts that were unusable for military purposes".
"This made it possible to have a huge profit margin, a thousand different kinds of radio components were purchased for cents, and invoiced for hundreds of dollars each".
"According to a source, the result now is that Russia has unstable radars, which provide a "window of opportunity" to hit Russian territory without retaliation".
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655449330021433347.html
Although it's a Russian source, if this report is true it's likely that Western intel agencies and others (Ukraine, China, etc.) are aware of the situation. And, according to the report, Putin is also aware. Here are a few possible implications:
1. Any nuclear saber-rattling by Putin will be viewed as nothing more than a bluff by Ukraine and Western allies, as well as by China. That was probably already the case, but this reported info would provide an additional factual basis.
2. If the report is true, with respect to early warning radars, then it's reasonable to assume that corruption may have undermined other areas of Russia's nuclear (and conventional) capability. That's because the same electronics component shell-game scam could easily be used elsewhere, in both nuclear and non-nuclear military systems.
3. Putin is very likely aware that the West knows, and that China also knows. So he'll be aware that any nuclear threats coming from either the Kremlin or Russian state media will only be useful for scaring the uninformed public.
The article indicates that more info might be coming out in the near future. We'll have to wait and see, since it's obviously in Russia's interests to keep info like this under wraps.
Institutionalized Russian corruption, the gift that keeps on giving!
One victorious day the grotesque clique of ordinary traitors occupying Kiev will be washed down the sewage.
"Rampant corruption is reported to have rendered Russia's ballistic missile early warning system virtually useless. Scams by contractors are said to have led to unsuitable foreign-made components being used on a wide scale"Of course! Ukraine is very fortunate that Russia is so impossibly corrupt. Which also tells me that Putin's "impenetrable" bunkers aren't worth shit (who wouldn't have skimmed from the government contract on something that was never supposed to be used anyway?) This is also why MOST Russian nukes ARE shit (but not all 6,000 of them, unfortunately).
However, I doubt Putin knows the extent of the steal. No one would dare upset him.
One victorious day...The LoZZers haven't had a victory for a long time, and one doesn't seem to be coming. What is air defence doing BTW? Can you tell me?
The 30 min parade today in Muscovy was a pretty hilarious clown walk. A single T-34 on show, and fake fat Putin in the stands since bunker boy won't come out to play.
Everyone is laughing, from the Baltic States to the "allies" in the CSTO.
One victorious dayOn this very day, during the (supposedly) most momentous celebration of Soviet military might, all Russia could muster up was a single 80-year old T-34 tank! The entire pathetic parade, if it can even be called that, took only about 10 minutes. Oh, and ZERO aircraft participating in any kind of demonstration or flyover.
How humiliating! Bwa-ha-haa-haaa!
The 30 min parade today in Muscovy was a pretty hilarious clown walk. A single T-34 on show, and fake fat Putin in the stands since bunker boy won't come out to play.
Everyone is laughing, from the Baltic States to the "allies" in the CSTO.https://www.asomf.org/interesting-facts-about-victory-in-europe-day/
Germany had already unconditionally surrendered to Allied Forces (sans USSR), first on May 4th (some German forces), and then on May 7th (ALL German forces).
Stalin was pissed and insisted on having his own "signing ceremony" in Berlin, which happened a couple of days later. Which means that all the events of May 9th were purely for show, as the REAL surrender had already taken place. That's why EVERYONE other than Russia celebrates VE-Day on May 8th, the date on which the ACTUAL surrender agreement took official effect.
How appropriate that even matters of Russian "national pride" are based on shambolic lies. And a shambolic holiday deserves an equally shambolic parade. Potemkin would be proud!
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/moscows-military-parade-a-humiliating-flop-with-a-strong-indication-to-the-west-putin-has-small-weapon-stock/
Of course! Ukraine is very fortunate that Russia is so impossibly corrupt. Which also tells me that Putin's "impenetrable" bunkers aren't worth shit (who wouldn't have skimmed from the government contract on something that was never supposed to be used anyway?) This is also why MOST Russian nukes ARE shit (but not all 6,000 of them, unfortunately).
However, I doubt Putin knows the extent of the steal. No one would dare upset him.I agree that no one wants to (voluntarily) be the bearer of bad news. But, once a significant piece of bad news leaks out, or is otherwise discovered, it would be foolish to not order a thorough investigation. And Putin, although evil, is no fool.
One of the keys to Putin's rule is how he actively creates and promotes separate "silos" of power that he can then play against each other and use to investigate each other. The military vs the FSB is the most obvious example, although there are other elements (like the FSO) that are less talked about.
The main point I'm getting at is that any group tasked with getting to the bottom of a nasty procurement scandal doesn't really need to worry about upsetting Putin. That's because a) he ordered the investigation; b) They're throwing others under the bus, while simultaneously elevating their own status, and; c) Putin will be more upset if facts come out later that the investigators should have found and reported.
Of course, whatever comes out of any such situation is likely to be handled outside of the public eye. Think back over the past year about how many surprising "suicides" and "accidents" have taken place. It's impossible to know what the internal motivations were for each death (targeted killing), but that's how such things are usually handled.
But, and this is key, even if Putin knows every detail he really can't do shit about it. The damage has already been done and repairing it, even if no sanctions were in place, would take years. Under current circumstances, there's little hope the problem can be effectively fixed.
Keep things quiet, deal privately with the responsible people, and continue to play the "bluff" card. That's really all Putin can do, IMO. Unfortunately for him, that doesn't work well when your adversaries know exactly what's in your hand.
In one of the WWII documentaries there was a comment to the tune that some of the Allied soldiers deployed to Europe did not know what they were fighting for until they saw the concentration camps. Then they realized what they had been fighting against. There always will be the question of how it could have happened and why the highest forces above had not intervened and allowed the Holocaust. I will not argue with those that say that an eventual miracle saved those who were still alive. For me, the answer is the following: it took a heroic action of a soldier to win over evil. If we take a minute of silence for each Soviet soldier and civilian fallen during the war, we will keep silence for half of a century.
In one of the WWII documentaries there was a comment to the tune that some of the Allied soldiers deployed to Europe did not know what they were fighting for until they saw the concentration camps. Then they realized what they had been fighting against. There always will be the question of how it could have happened and why the highest forces above had not intervened and allowed the Holocaust. I will not argue with those that say that an eventual miracle saved those who were still alive. For me, the answer is the following: it took a heroic action of a soldier to win over evil. If we take a minute of silence for each Soviet soldier and civilian fallen during the war, we will keep silence for half of a century.During WW-II, Ukraine experienced higher losses, both military and civilian, than other Soviet Republics in proportion to their respective populations. One obvious reason is because Ukraine's geographic position turned it into a buffer zone (and killing zone) between Germany and Russia.
https://texty.org.ua/projects/103854/occupation_eng/
Without the efforts of millions of Ukrainians who died in WW-II, Russia would have lost. But, because they're such brainwashed and ungrateful bey*tches, Russians refuse to acknowledge their debt to Ukraine, just like they refuse to acknowledge their debt to the Western Allies who kept Russia alive with an extensive Lend-lease program.
So, while you're having your "minutes of silence," don't forget to allocate MILLIONS of minutes for the UKRAINIANS who gave their lives. And, at the end of it all, it's worth noting that all Ukraine wants, in return for its sacrifice, is for Russia to leave them the fuck alone!
If we take a minute of silence for each Soviet soldier and civilian fallen during the war, we will keep silence for half of a century.And yet you can't shut up for even one day, I think we would all look forward to half a century of silence from the Vatniks.
During WW-II, Ukraine experienced higher losses, both military and civilian, than other Soviet Republics in proportion to their respective populations. One obvious reason is because Ukraine's geographic position turned it into a buffer zone (and killing zone) between Germany and Russia.
https://texty.org.ua/projects/103854/occupation_eng/
Without the efforts of millions of Ukrainians who died in WW-II, Russia would have lost. But, because they're such brainwashed and ungrateful bey*tches, Russians refuse to acknowledge their debt to Ukraine, just like they refuse to acknowledge their debt to the Western Allies who kept Russia alive with an extensive Lend-lease program.
So, while you're having your "minutes of silence," don't forget to allocate MILLIONS of minutes for the UKRAINIANS who gave their lives. And, at the end of it all, it's worth noting that all Ukraine wants, in return for its sacrifice, is for Russia to leave them the fuck alone!Hell yes!
Russia wouldn't have won without American land-lease and its western allies in general. It's a simple fact acknowledged by (among others) Stalin and Zhukov.
Russia wouldn't have won without the Ukrainians. One Ukrainian was fighting for every four Russians.
Russia wouldn't have won without ethnic minorities other than Ukrainians. 8 million of them were fighting alongside the Russians.
And as soon as it was over, Stalin proposed the toast for the great Russian people.
Yeah, right.
1. Japan appears likely to open a NATO liaison office:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/10/asia/japan-foreign-minister-hayashi-nato-intl-hnk/index.html
"Japan is in talks to open a NATO liaison office, the first of its kind in Asia, the country's foreign minister told CNN in an exclusive interview on Wednesday, saying Russia's invasion of Ukraine has made the world less stable."
"Something happening in East Europe is not only confined to the issue in East Europe, and that affects directly the situation here in the Pacific. That's why a cooperation between us in East Asia and NATO (is) becoming. Increasingly important".
2. Japan and South Korea are putting decades of animosity aside to build defense ties:
https://japantoday.com/category/politics/japan-south-korea-to-link-radar-systems-to-track-n.korea-missiles-source
"Japanese and South Korean defense authorities are set to agree early next month to link their radars via a USA System to share real-time information on North Korea's ballistic missiles, a person with knowledge of the matter said on Tuesday".
"Ties between the United States' Asian allies have warmed in recent months in the face of the North Korean threat. Resuming their "shuttle diplomacy", Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida met with South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol in Seoul on Sunday, where they confirmed progress in defense cooperation".
IMO, many countries are rethinking their defense policies in the aftermath of Russia's aggression. As part of that process they're making decisions about who their adversaries are likely to be, and with whom they should strengthen or forge new alliances.
With respect to Asia, China has tried hard to project an image of a benign neighbor. They can't be happy that Asian rivals like Japan and South Korea are working together on defense. Even though they name North Korea as the primary reason, China is the obvious elephant in the room.
And China REALLY must be pissed at any suggestion that NATO might rise in prominence in Asia. The blame for that can truly be placed squarely at Russia's feet. Not good for Russia to upset China, their economic lifeline and master.
Fascinating to consider how concerns and precautions resulting from Russia's aggression may have the effect of deterring aggression (by China or Russia) in Asia.
Seems like these are already in Ukraine. And I noticed that Priz got the ammo he asked for, it was kindly supplied by the AFU up his Orc ass.
Except when they work brilliantly.
On a way to meet his maker Zed first has to meet Papa.
On a way to meet his maker Zed first has to meet Papa.Der Orc-Fuhrer knows that his Orc-Hordes are about to become Orc-Toast!
Orc grunting.Everyone is laughing at this situation.
Imagine a country so morally bankrupt, that they not only steal land, children and elections, they even take stamp designs from Ukraine. How pathetic.
Tragically doubling down and doubling the losses.
Tragically doubling down and doubling the losses.Have you seen the videos circulating online showing Orcs in full flight, like the leaderless, poorly trained, pussy-bitches they are?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/05/11/ukraine-russia-war-live-updates/70206608007/
Even Prigozhin is ranting about his fellow Orcs running away. My hope and prayer is for MUCH more to follow, just like this.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/wagner-mercenary-russia-admits-putin-soldiers-fleeing-ukraine/
"Head of Russia's Wagner group admits Putin's soldiers are fleeing".
Putin has survived in power by pitting different power factions against each other. Now that strategy is demonstrably contributing to Russia's failure on the battlefield. And the counteroffensive (that some mistakenly think isn't coming) hasn't even started in earnest.
Tragically doubling down and doubling the losses.Completely agree with you, he is doubling the losses of the LoZZers. Are you able to see?
Hey RuZZbots, what is air defence doing?
Looks like the common thief and traitor-in-chief as expected is going to be awarded another medal tomorrow, this time 'ze german' one.
John Clayton
05-14-23, 02:38
Looks like the common thief and traitor-in-chief as expected is going to be awarded another medal tomorrow, this time 'ze german' one.This account is a bot.
Looks like the common thief and traitor-in-chief as expected is going to be awarded another medal tomorrow, this time 'ze german' one.And Putin, the REAL Traitor-in-Chief, will be reviled and ridiculed as a dictator who flushed his entire country's future down the toilet. Oh wait, I mean the outhouse, since those are much more common in Russia.
Frustrated Orc grunting noisesI would say this is a pretty accurate summary of the war.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/four-russian-aircraft-shot-down-within-their-own-borders
One bomber, one fighter escort, two helicopters, and an estimated 9 aviators eliminated. And reportedly it all happened about 50 km INSIDE Russia. Three possible explanations have been proposed:
1. All four aircraft experienced near-simultaneous catastrophic in-flight systems failure. Highly unlikely, IMO.
2. All four aircraft were shot down by their own forces in a "friendly fire" incident. Possible, but also rather unlikely (IMO). One, maybe, but all FOUR? If Russian air defenses are so incompetent, then Ukraine will hardly need to lift a finger as Russian forces will mostly eliminate themselves.
3. All four aircraft were shot down by Ukraine. Possible methods include: a) Ukrainian Special Forces who successfully infiltrated Russian territory and used some type of MANPAD system; b) Pro-Ukraine partisans using MANPADs; c) Ukrainian forces using ground-based anti-aircraft systems, which would need to be brought close to the border, or into Russia, in order to be effective, or; d) Ukrainian fighters using air-to-air missiles.
One key point not mentioned in the article is that, for all or most of the scenarios listed in #3, Ukraine would likely have needed advance intel about details of the aircrafts' movements. I imagine that could make for some sleepless nights for Russian pilots and crew.
And, as a bonus, at least one (possibly both) of the helicopters reportedly had sophisticated electronic warfare capabilities. If that's true, that's an even more significant loss, one that will be difficult or impossible to replace.
Again, no matter how you slice it, a REALLY bad day for the Russian Air Force.
This account is a bot.May 14,2023.
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As history tells us, Charlemagne died depressed and disillusioned: none of his plans came through. Today the spirit of the long gone monarch appeared on the scene in Germany and knocked the prize in his name off the jester's stand to the floor.
May 14,2023.
Dear Mr. Clayton:
Hereby I attest my account is a genuine one.
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Questner.Since bots are designed to simulate real people, they can never be as stupid as someone who goes out of his way to post the same inane Putin-shit day after day.
Only a real idiot could pull that off.
As history tells us, Charlemagne died depressed and disillusioned: none of his plans came through. Today the spirit of the long gone monarch appeared on the scene in Germany and knocked the prize in his name off the jester's stand to the floor.Berlin, Rome, Paris, and beyond, the free world welcomes Zelenskyy with open arms. Putin, meanwhile, slumps in deep depression in his Fuhrer-bunker, because he's pretty much a prisoner in his own country. As an indicted war criminal, he's at risk of arrest if he sticks his pathetic head out of his pathetic hole.
He can't even attend the upcoming BRICS conference in South Africa. He's been told he can attend via "Zoom call" so that he can avoid the risk of arrest. A Zoom call? How fucking humiliating is that? No wonder he's depressed.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/05/use-zoom-or-well-arrest-you-at-brics-summit-south-africa-warns-putin/
I hear Minsk is nice this time of year. Or maybe he could plan a nice vacation at his master's house in Beijing?
BTW, the thumbs-down verdict of history is already being written about Putin. And even Russian historians will one day use papers about Putin to wipe their asses.
Since bots are designed to simulate real people, they can never be as stupid as someone who goes out of his way to post the same inane Putin-shit day after day.
Only a real idiot could pull that off.Just like Putin he simply can't stop.
Putin used to rule the biggest country on the planet and enjoy the friendship of corrupt foreign leaders like Trump, Schroeder and Berlusconi.
Now he rules his bunker and talks to his cronies on Zoom. And drags his unwinnable war to postpone the inevitable.
Questner doesn't have a bunker, but he used to be capable of writing somewhat coherent, if duplicitous posts. That's gone now. He's reduced to pasting hateful, idiotic memes.
Good job!
Today the spirit of the long gone monarch appeared and knocked the prize in his name off the jester's stand to the floor.I heard that Kaydrovites have been seen in Bakhmut.
Actually, it's you who is trying to employ the straw man fallacy. That's because you've been thoroughly ass-dragged for having the audacity to tell me how I SHOULD FEEL. And now you're subtly trying to move the goalposts by adding the word "pejorative," as though it's somehow fine to tell others how they SHOULD feel as long as it's done in (however you choose to define it) a non-pejorative way.
Here's a thought experiment for you:
1. You're standing in a bar and the news is on TV. On the news there's a report of some horrifically evil atrocity, such as a young girl being shot in the head by a cold and calculating killer.
2. The guy next to you is visibly outraged at the news report. So much so that he expresses that outrage verbally. You, and others around, can clearly hear his outrage..You're way too deep into your own thoughts here to have a civil back and forth conversation with someone. This coming from someone who has generally who has been supportive and in agreement with you. I've tried to give you an off-ramp from these endless criticisms. So much for trying to get back to civil discourse.
The affronting comment "No offense, but you seem to take the Ukraine War a bit too personally. One doesn't necessarily have to be Ukrainian to hold a personal animosity towards Russia." Oh my JM, how brash and insolent o fme to suggest that perhaps you have some personal animosity towards Russia that goes beyond a distant observer. (By the way, anyone can appear to be winning an argument on social media by trying to reshape the discussion into something else. Excessive drama over an innocuous comment, turning posts into a question of morality.).
You have been on the International Sex Guide for the last fifteen months almost exclusively and obsessively posting on the war in the Ukraine. You have not been present anyone else on ISG. I'm not sure how much credit one should receive for such a valiant and focused effort. Some might think being an armchair warrior on a sex site ranks just above posting a Ukrainian flag on their Facebook page. Being more emotional and going batshit crazy on people doesn't give you any moral superiority here. More than likely it confirms the view that you have a personal angle in this war.
It actually might be better if you said your family was persecuted by the Russians or your significant other is Ukrainian. I can't be the only one here who really hopes that is the case. Otherwise, you are expending far too much time, energy and anger trying to combat anyone who has different take on the war than you. (All the while in the Stupid Shit in Kyiv of the International Sex Guide. Sorry the gravitas of the thread or the lack thereof never changes).
FYI: Your silly bar scene analogy was a not so clever way to try to intimidate and display aggression. You should be careful that you don't cross a line with the moderators. They don't take kindly to members threatening other members even if it is just abstract sparring in a Stupid Shit thread.
Muscovy Foreign Ministry tried to troll by saying that British taxes were being wasted in Ukraine, and got ratioed by Brits saying that it was the best use of taxes they could imagine, and would prefer the government spend more, rather than on stupid domestic programs.
What an own goal, by the losing cowardly, child kidnapping idiots.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65594540
Making the rounds of the major European capitals (and the UK), Zelenskyy came away with major arms commitments AND a show of solidarity and support that would have been hard to imagine even a few months ago (esp from Germany).
In addition to pledges of significant military assistance (tanks, armored vehicles, missiles, drones, etc.), it almost appeared as if leaders were competing with each other to show how much they support Ukraine. In Italy, Zelenskyy was greeted by a military horse-mounted honor guard. In Germany, Chancellor Scholz gave a speech in which he declared "Ukraine is Europe," and then followed by saying "Slava Ukraini" (Glory to Ukraine). Finally, in the UK the PM gave Zelenskyy the kind of bro-hug usually reserved for the closest of personal friends.
Whether one believes the displays were 100% genuine, 100% for show, or something in between, what's relevant is that each government thought it important to publicly express OVERWHELMING commitment to, and support for, Ukraine.
It's also worth noting that the timing was impeccable, as it shores up support just before the anticipated counteroffensive by Ukraine. It puts to rest, at least for the near future, any talk of "Ukraine fatigue" in Europe. And it can't help but be a morale boost for both the Ukrainian military and a hopeful population.
Irrespective of your position on the war, any intellectually honest observer should acknowledge that this was extremely well-played by Zelenskyy.
Meanwhile, in a dreary bunker somewhere, Putin is likely crying in his borscht. At least he won't need to add salt!
You're way too deep into your own thoughts here to have a civil back and forth conversation with someone. This coming from someone who has generally who has been supportive and in agreement with you. I've tried to give you an off-ramp from these endless criticisms. So much for trying to get back to civil discourse.I frankly don't give a fuck about anyone's support. It's fine if someone wants to debate facts and analyses, but the facts and evidence will always stand or fall on their own merits. You keep repeating this trope as though your support means anything. It doesn't. The fact you keep bringing it up says something about you. Do you crave the approval of others? I don't. Are "off-ramps" also something you crave? I don't.
As far as civil discourse, once you've made things personal, that possibility gets flushed down the toilet. As a pathetic faux-victim pussy, you've placed yourself in the same tranche as the Putin FanBoyz, worthy only of ridicule and scorn.
The affronting comment "No offense, but you seem to take the Ukraine War a bit too personally. One doesn't necessarily have to be Ukrainian to hold a personal animosity towards Russia." Oh my JM, how brash and insolent o fme to suggest that perhaps you have some personal animosity towards Russia that goes beyond a distant observer. (By the way, anyone can appear to be winning an argument on social media by trying to reshape the discussion into something else. Excessive drama over an innocuous comment, turning posts into a question of morality.).So now, in addition to telling me how I SHOULD FEEL, you're trying to play fuckboard psychoanalyst? Wow, if anyone needs their head examined, it's YOU! Oh, BTW, a morally outraged reaction at the kinds of atrocities committed by Russia is an emotionally appropriate response. I have lots of good company on that score. But moral blindness, or worse, moral cowardice, is where you appear to pitching your tent.
You have been on the International Sex Guide for the last fifteen months almost exclusively and obsessively posting on the war in the Ukraine. You have not been present anyone else on ISG. I'm not sure how much credit one should receive for such a valiant and focused effort. Some might think being an armchair warrior on a sex site ranks just above posting a Ukrainian flag on their Facebook page.ROTFLMAO! What a feeble attempt to insert a subtle ad hominem into your pseudo-victim-pussy-protests. I've been on USASG since the mid-2000's, and on SF Redbook forums before that. I think I have a couple of Asia-related posts on ISG, but I've never really needed to use it for mongering purposes. My reason for posting in this forum is specifically because of my strong feelings about the war in Ukraine.
And yet you, with your relatively few (and lame) posts about Canada and Brazil, are somehow trying to imply that those insipid postings give you 'gravitas' to ANY degree? Abso-fucking-lutely HILARIOUS! Clearly, the mere fact that you have to stoop to such bullshit tactics is PROOF-POSITIVE that you're a pathetic piece of excrement, truly the lowest of the low.
Being more emotional and going batshit crazy on people doesn't give you any moral superiority here. More than likely it confirms the view that you have a personal angle in this war. It actually might be better if you said your family was persecuted by the Russians or your significant other is Ukrainian. I can't be the only one here who really hopes that is the case. Otherwise, you are expending far too much time, energy and anger trying to combat anyone who has different take on the war than you. (All the while in the Stupid Shit in Kyiv of the International Sex Guide. Sorry the gravitas of the thread or the lack thereof never changes).Once again you concoct a piteous straw-man scenario in your own tortured imagination. What does it say about you that you can't comprehend legitimate feelings of moral outrage in the face of unspeakable atrocities? If you can only conceive of being outraged when the atrocity happens to you, or someone close to you, what kind of a moral cripple you must be!
FYI: Your silly bar scene analogy was a not so clever way to try to intimidate and display aggression. You should be careful that you don't cross a line with the moderators. They don't take kindly to members threatening other members even if it is just abstract sparring in a Stupid Shit thread.Oh, poor, pathetic, faux-victim pussy! Your whiney-beeyotch reactions don't change the fact that the analogy was SUPREMELY accurate and on point. Once again, try telling the outraged stranger at the bar that your comment about how he SHOULD FEEL was meant innocuously. I would refer you back to the original analogy for the likely response. And what you consistently try to obfuscate is that this was ENTIRELY started by YOU! Yet, in the face of that incontrovertible fact, you contemptibly try to portray yourself as the wronged party. And you, even MORE contemptibly, try to disparage my legitimately-held feelings of moral outrage as I see prisoners beheaded, little girls shot in the head, and other unspeakable acts perpetrated in calculated and systematic ways.
In the immortal words of Will Smith (in MIB) "Don't start nuthin, won't be nuthin". Of course, faux-victim pussies will always try to claim that they never start anything. You're truly the Bill Laimbeer of ISG!
If you find Stupid Shit in Kyiv inhospitable, why don't you stick to telling mongers where to find the best feijoada in Brazil? Or the best poutine in Canada? You can always throw in a little geopolitics with your culinary recommendations. That would be right up your alley and wouldn't put to much strain on your limited intellectual and argumentative capacity. I almost included "moral" in that list, but that capacity appears to be non-existent in your case.
After being rebuffed the Pope gives a celestial advice to a delusional clown, 'You have to hide'.
'You have to hide'.This is what every Muscovite has to do!
After being rebuffed the Pope gives a celestial advice to a delusional clown, 'You have to hide'.Definition: Putin FanBoy who believes his own propaganda.
Perfect example of delusion vs reality from last night's missile attack on Kyiv. Six supposedly "unstoppable" Kinzhal hypersonic missiles were successfully intercepted. Another nail in the coffin of the reputation of Russia's military hardware. And a huge nail in the coffin for the future of Russia's military export industry.
Morality, in its simplest sense, concerns itself with questions and judgments about right and wrong. While there are many moral issues about which there can be vigorous debate (ex: legalization of prostitution), there are many about which there is universal, or near-universal, agreement. I would submit that an example of the latter category is the calculated murder of an innocent child. I know of no country, society, or system of laws, in which that is not viewed as morally wrong (to put it mildly). So that fact provides a suitable foundation for this thought experiment:
1. On the other side of the world, an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. You don't personally know any of the individuals involved.
Q: What feelings, if any, does the above scenario generate within you?
2. On the other side of your country, an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. You don't personally know any of the individuals involved.
Q: Same as for #1.
3. On the other side of your city or town an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. You don't personally know any of the individuals involved, but you're familiar with the neighborhood.
Q: Same as for #1.
4. On the other side of your street, an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. You've personally seen the child playing in the neighborhood and you've exchanged pleasantries with the child's parents.
Q: Same as for #1.
5. In your own home, directly in front of you, an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. In this scenario, the child is your daughter or son, or perhaps a grandchild or other beloved family member.
Q: Same as #1.
Discussion: Every morally relevant element is the same in each scenario. The only variables are the proximity of the event and the level of personal knowledge of the area and victim. And, since the event is one that's generally acknowledged to be morally wrong (if not heinous, reprehensible, etc.), then one's reactions arguably provide a sort of barometer of moral sensitivity.
If scenarios 1 and 2 generate feelings like outrage, feelings of anger and hate against the perpetrator, desire for justice (or even revenge), then it's fair to say you tend to fall within the highly sensitive segment of the moral spectrum.
If you start to have similar feelings when events unfold as in scenario 3, I would argue that's the part of the spectrum in which a sizeable percentage (majority?) of people fall. After all, people live busy lives and understandably don't necessarily think much about (relatively) distant happenings.
Scenario 4 is where the rubber, morally speaking, really meets the road (or street). If you're not feeling outrage at this point, I'd suggest you'd be well advised (IMO) to examine the foundations and underpinnings of your personal moral sense.
Scenario 5, it's fair to say, is where 99.999% of people will absolutely have feelings of anger, outrage, grief, etc. However, if that's the ONLY scenario that moves you, and if every other scenario gets a "shit happens" (or similar) response from you, that's a hugely sad commentary on your moral sense, IMO.
BTW, in NONE of the above scenarios do I pretend to have the right to tell anyone how they SHOULD feel. An individual's feelings are entirely up to them. However, what the experiment illustrates is that there is a spectrum in the moral dimension, and also that there are ways in which you can assess, for yourself, approximately where you fall on that spectrum.
Also, while everyone is entitled to their own feelings, and entitled to NOT be lectured about how they SHOULD feel, it's perfectly fair to make assessments based on what people have said for themselves. As one example, for the PutinFanBoyz who exult and applaud events like the one described above, I would argue that the moral labels "evil" and "reprehensible" are appropriate. For those who feel nothing until scenario 4, I would argue that the moral labels "obtuse," or perhaps "blind," could be used. Finally, for someone who can't be bothered to have feelings until the events of scenario 5 splatter blood on their own shoes, I would argue that the moral label "cripple" applies.
Everyone can judge and evaluate for themselves. And, if anyone thinks the experiment is flawed, in either its premises or design, I'm happy to debate the topic.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/four-russian-aircraft-shot-down-within-their-own-borders
One bomber, one fighter escort, two helicopters, and an estimated 9 aviators eliminated. And reportedly it all happened about 50 km INSIDE Russia.
3. All four aircraft were shot down by Ukraine. Possible methods include: a) Ukrainian Special Forces who successfully infiltrated Russian territory and used some type of MANPAD system; b) Pro-Ukraine partisans using MANPADs; c) Ukrainian forces using ground-based anti-aircraft systems, which would need to be brought close to the border, or into Russia, in order to be effective, or; d) Ukrainian fighters using air-to-air missiles.With respect to the last option above (air-to-air), here's an opinion-analysis by someone who claims to have experience and knowledge of the equipment and issues discussed. I don't know the author and neither do I know whether his analysis is accurate. My reason for posting is simply as info, and because I haven't seen this analysis anywhere else. And, if it's a correct assessment, it could have significant implications for use of air assets in the war.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1658188159815934014.html
The thread is in German, but Google translate worked well for me.
Also, one possible way to evaluate if this author is onto something will be to observe the behavior of Russian aircraft, going forward. Accident or malfunction shouldn't cause a general change in behavior, and neither should friendly fire (assuming the cause is found and corrected). But a new Ukrainian air-to-air attack capability would likely have an effect on when and where Russia decides to use its aircraft.
Oh my JM, how brash and insolent o fme to suggest that perhaps you have some personal animosity towards Russia that goes beyond a distant observer. (By the way, anyone can appear to be winning an argument on social media by trying to reshape the discussion into something else. Excessive drama over an innocuous comment, turning posts into a question of morality.).Well, I don't know Wyatt. Seeing HOW (with medieval brutality) and WHY (to wipe Ukraine off the map) they are waging this war, I honestly don't understand how any normal person of any creed and national origin can feel anything other than "some personal animosity towards Russia. " What do you feel towards Russia?
DramaFree11
05-18-23, 01:27
Well, I don't know Wyatt. Seeing HOW (with medieval brutality) and WHY (to wipe Ukraine off the map) they are waging this war, I honestly don't understand how any normal person of any creed and national origin can feel anything other than "some personal animosity towards Russia. " What do you feel towards Russia?XMan, Ukraine should have been negotiating for months, instead they pressed there luck, now they are being wiped out. Pres. Z. Is drinking the same cool-aide you drink. This war should have never happened, and negotiations should have been going on from day one.
Now with the latest attack in Moscow, what did they think would happen.
By the way I was in MTY over the weekend, banging hot girls. I will be back in 8 days, with actual girls, join me. This is real world, not this fantasy world you live in. I do feel sorry for the Ukraine people, but I have zero compassion for there government. You conveniently forgot to talk about the corruption going on by he Ukraine government. , even the liberal media report this, but why bother bringing the corruption up.
All you do is complain and watch liberal news. Get a life.
Laurent Gerra: LE cirque Zelensky, bientôt proche de chez vous!
https://youtu.be/p-ZyUJAJb9U
From French:
"he can be seen everywhere. Yesterday he visited the Elysée Palace. President Zelensky is touring with a circus. And now, an advertisement in support of Ukraine.
- Gilles Margaritis presents the "Zelensky Circus", which tours all over Europe with its menagerie! In Zelensky's circus you can see a very annoying beardless woman Ursula von der Leyen, Joe Biden an American equilibrist on magic walkers, the Macrons juggling pots, and the highlight of the program, a human cannonball from NATO's procurement. "Zelensky Circus" - yesterday in the Elysée Palace, tomorrow. In your city. ".
he can be seen everywhere.Guess who is getting kicked out everywhere, the unwanted peoples.
XMan, Ukraine should have been negotiating for months, instead they pressed there luck, now they are being wiped out. Pres. Z. Is drinking the same cool-aide you drink. This war should have never happened, and negotiations should have been going on from day one.
Now with the latest attack in Moscow, what did they think would happen.
By the way I was in MTY over the weekend, banging hot girls. I will be back in 8 days, with actual girls, join me. This is real world, not this fantasy world you live in. I do feel sorry for the Ukraine people, but I have zero compassion for there government. You conveniently forgot to talk about the corruption going on by he Ukraine government. , even the liberal media report this, but why bother bringing the corruption up.
All you do is complain and watch liberal news. Get a life.They are not being wiped out, rather the opposite, they just got Storm Shadows, they will get more, and then F-16's, what do you think will happen to the Orcs when that comes online?
This war should not have happened, I think we all agree. The bloodthirsty, rapist, child kidnapping RuZZians cunts, should have stayed home.
Stop pretending to care about corruption, you are a disingenuous piece of Z filth. If you actually gave a fuck about corruption, you'd start with that shithole kleptocracy that is the State of Muscovy, when you've cleaned that up, we can have the discussion about Ukraine.
All you do is watch RT, take your head out of your ass and understand that your beloved country will not survive this war.
XMan, Ukraine should have been negotiating for months, instead they pressed there luck, now they are being wiped out. Pres. Z. Is drinking the same cool-aide you drink. This war should have never happened, and negotiations should have been going on from day one.
Now with the latest attack in Moscow, what did they think would happen.
By the way I was in MTY over the weekend, banging hot girls. I will be back in 8 days, with actual girls, join me. This is real world, not this fantasy world you live in. I do feel sorry for the Ukraine people, but I have zero compassion for there government. You conveniently forgot to talk about the corruption going on by he Ukraine government. , even the liberal media report this, but why bother bringing the corruption up.
All you do is complain and watch liberal news. Get a life.Russia is the homeland of corruption, and that's the way it's always been. In fact, to use a religious analogy, it's where the "Original Sin" of Soviet and Post-Soviet corruption can be traced. Whenever someone makes a comment about any kind of corruption in a country that was formerly part of the Soviet Union, they usually neglect to mention how that's part of the negative legacy imparted by the Kremlin-centered kleptocratic system.
When one looks at the countries that have successfully escaped that legacy, it's clear that the most successful have adopted European systems and left Russia (far behind) in the rear-view mirror. The Baltic nations are probably the clearest examples. And that's precisely the path Ukraine wants to pursue. Candidate status for EU membership means that anti-corruption efforts are not only required, but will be under close watch every step of the way. Going forward, Ukraine has every opportunity to evolve for the better, especially with respect to their governance.
Ukraine has a bright future ahead as part of the EU, and also of NATO. In stark contrast, Russia is choking on the vomit of their inbred corruption. They can't escape it because it's part of the fabric of their very existence. Russia operates under the Law of the Jungle, wherein the powerful prey upon the weak. Now that they've been thoroughly isolated they're reduced to eating their own, like a cage full of rabid dogs. And, IMO, Putin will not be able to escape the harvest he has sown.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-of-putins-biggest-mistakes-is-finally-catching-up-with-him
Bottom-Line: Ukraine = hope. Russia = despair.
P.S. It's hard to negotiate with someone who wants to kill you and erase your nationhood. Especially if their position is something like "If you surrender, I'll only cut off your arm for now, but I'll still kill you later. " What's the point of negotiating with that? Better to resist with all your might and do your best to kill or cripple the rabid dog.
P. P.S. You keep making the same intellectually dishonest mistake as others (or perhaps it's intentional) by creating a false equivalence between aggressor and victim. The war should never have happened? Right, so why don't you tell that to Putin? He gave the order, no one else. And he can end the war anytime he wants.
Laurent Gerra: LE cirque Zelensky, bientt proche de chez vous!
https://youtu.be/p-ZyUJAJb9U
From French:
"he can be seen everywhere. Yesterday he visited the Elyse Palace. President Zelensky is touring with a circus. And now, an advertisement in support of Ukraine.
- Gilles Margaritis presents the "Zelensky Circus", which tours all over Europe with its menagerie! In Zelensky's circus you can see a very annoying beardless woman Ursula von der Leyen, Joe Biden an American equilibrist on magic walkers, the Macrons juggling pots, and the highlight of the program, a human cannonball from NATO's procurement. "Zelensky Circus" - yesterday in the Elyse Palace, tomorrow. In your city. ".It's shooting down Russia's most modern, allegedly "unstoppable" hypersonic missiles. Oh, and the best part about it is that they were shot down with Western anti-aircraft technology that's about 40 years old!
Hear that flushing sound? That's the sound of future Russian weapons contracts going down the toilet.
Can't wait for the NEXT act!
DramaFree11
05-19-23, 00:29
They are not being wiped out, rather the opposite, they just got Storm Shadows, they will get more, and then F-16's, what do you think will happen to the Orcs when that comes online?
This war should not have happened, I think we all agree. The bloodthirsty, rapist, child kidnapping RuZZians cunts, should have stayed home.
Stop pretending to care about corruption, you are a disingenuous piece of Z filth. If you actually gave a fuck about corruption, you'd start with that shithole kleptocracy that is the State of Muscovy, when you've cleaned that up, we can have the discussion about Ukraine.
All you do is watch RT, take your head out of your ass and understand that your beloved country will not survive this war.M.
Ukraine is being wiped out both directly and indirectly. Yes, Pres. Z. Is a total piece of shit. He is being played by the Euors / Biden. His population is fleeing the country never to return or being killed. The infrastructure / economy is in ruins or being destroyed. I guess this is winning in your crazy Ass liberal world.
Yes, Putin is a terrible person, but he is winning, big time. Sanctions are not working, many parts of the world are in recession now and gas prices are high. Not to mention he is now in partnership with many of our enemies. Great job!
DramaFree11
05-19-23, 01:46
Russia is the homeland of corruption, and that's the way it's always been. In fact, to use a religious analogy, it's where the "Original Sin" of Soviet and Post-Soviet corruption can be traced. Whenever someone makes a comment about any kind of corruption in a country that was formerly part of the Soviet Union, they usually neglect to mention how that's part of the negative legacy imparted by the Kremlin-centered kleptocratic system.
When one looks at the countries that have successfully escaped that legacy, it's clear that the most successful have adopted European systems and left Russia (far behind) in the rear-view mirror. The Baltic nations are probably the clearest examples. And that's precisely the path Ukraine wants to pursue. Candidate status for EU membership means that anti-corruption efforts are not only required, but will be under close watch every step of the way. Going forward, Ukraine has every opportunity to evolve for the better, especially with respect to their governance.
Ukraine has a bright future ahead as part of the EU, and also of NATO. In stark contrast, Russia is choking on the vomit of their inbred corruption. They can't escape it because it's part of the fabric of their very existence. Russia operates under the Law of the Jungle, wherein the powerful prey upon the weak. Now that they've been thoroughly isolated they're reduced to eating their own, like a cage full of rabid dogs. And, IMO, Putin will not be able to escape the harvest he has sown.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-of-putins-biggest-mistakes-is-finally-catching-up-with-him
Bottom-Line: Ukraine = hope. Russia = despair.
P.S. It's hard to negotiate with someone who wants to kill you and erase your nationhood. Especially if their position is something like "If you surrender, I'll only cut off your arm for now, but I'll still kill you later. " What's the point of negotiating with that? Better to resist with all your might and do your best to kill or cripple the rabid dog.
P. P.S. You keep making the same intellectually dishonest mistake as others (or perhaps it's intentional) by creating a false equivalence between aggressor and victim. The war should never have happened? Right, so why don't you tell that to Putin? He gave the order, no one else. And he can end the war anytime he wants.It takes 2 to have a war. Yes, Putin is the aggressor and a bad guy. If you think Ukraine are saints, your drinking the same crap Xman is drinking.
Ukraine had a chance for a bright future, but they screwed it up, mostly because of corruption and greed.
You should always negotiate.
John Clayton
05-19-23, 03:21
M.
Ukraine is being wiped out both directly and indirectly. Yes, Pres. Z. Is a total piece of shit. He is being played by the Euors / Biden. His population is fleeing the country never to return or being killed. The infrastructure / economy is in ruins or being destroyed. I guess this is winning in your crazy Ass liberal world.
Yes, Putin is a terrible person, but he is winning, big time. Sanctions are not working, many parts of the world are in recession now and gas prices are high. Not to mention he is now in partnership with many of our enemies. Great job!Can you point to a single post of yours that has been correct? Why do you even exist?
This week the RF denounced its participation in the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe. This leads to an inevitable outcome: Ukraine Can't Join NATO.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/ukraine-cant-join-nato/
https://youtu.be/CR-78UGyhhQ
XMan, Ukraine should have been negotiating for months, instead they pressed there luck, now they are being wiped out. Pres. Z. Is drinking the same cool-aide you drink. This war should have never happened, and negotiations should have been going on from day one.
Now with the latest attack in Moscow, what did they think would happen.
By the way I was in MTY over the weekend, banging hot girls. I will be back in 8 days, with actual girls, join me. This is real world, not this fantasy world you live in. I do feel sorry for the Ukraine people, but I have zero compassion for there government. You conveniently forgot to talk about the corruption going on by he Ukraine government. , even the liberal media report this, but why bother bringing the corruption up.
All you do is complain and watch liberal news. Get a life.As I proved in my recent post (the one you've conveniently ignored) you've never been in MTY or anywhere else, and never banged hot girls. You are sad, pathetic Russian shill living in a one-bedroom apartment with your parents, working for Prigozhin's Internet Research Agency, or whatever they call it nowadays. The fact your bosses posted you to spam a mongering forum tells me that they consider you a loser with no prospects in life. Take their money while you can.
This week the RF denounced its participation in the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe...No wants to be in league with the Muscovites, Moldova is leaving, and others will too as the war goes on and Muscovy becomes less and less relevant.
M.
Ukraine is being wiped out both directly and indirectly. Yes, Pres. Z. Is a total piece of shit. He is being played by the Euors / Biden. His population is fleeing the country never to return or being killed. The infrastructure / economy is in ruins or being destroyed. I guess this is winning in your crazy Ass liberal world.
Yes, Putin is a terrible person, but he is winning, big time. Sanctions are not working, many parts of the world are in recession now and gas prices are high. Not to mention he is now in partnership with many of our enemies. Great job!Ukraine is not being wiped out, they are taking back territory. Of course you RuZZbots hate Zelenskyy, he is everything you cannot have, he doesn't hide in bunkers, he is there for his people and leads from the front. The infrastructure is rebuilt at a record breaking pace, have you seen the rebuilt Bucha? Your homeland is such a shithole, the poor Ukrainian drone operators don't know if the area has already been bombed or not.
Europe has already committed to invest in Ukraine and rebuild after they eliminate the invaders, so the wartime economy will be rebuilt with assistance from allies. Who will help the Muscovites? Iran? North Korea? China, will take your land and resources, welcome to the new reality of becoming the Belarus of China.
Putin is losing, both support and stolen territory. His allies are openly critising him, all the public speaking events and parades are being cancelled or drastically reduced in scale. Is this the sign of a winner? Obviously not.
Sanctions are working really well, if you want to understand why the sanctions are completely fucking Muscovy, just keep watching the $RUB exchange rate. Even though the currency is not floated, it's going down the shitter, which is odd since it's not possible to trade (let that sink in). There's also a ton of other evidence such as export output, and the frustration of the Muscovites when they cannot do anything with $INR that they have collected, since India also has very strict currency controls, similar to the other best bud, China.
You are not on "our" side, you are a Z Rachist. No need to keep LARPing.
Ukraine is being wiped out both directly and indirectly. Yes, Pres. Z. Is a total piece of shit. He is being played by the Euors / Biden.I'd lay odds that Zelenskyy is more popular in Ukraine now than when he was first elected. He could easily have fled, but decided to stay and fight. He just visited Italy, Germany, France, the UK, Saudi Arabia, and he's currently in Japan attending the G-7 summit. Where's LilliPutin? Stuck in his Fuhrer-Bunker!
Far from being played, Zelenskyy is the Uber-Maestro. He's gotten HUGE support from the West, which has allowed Ukraine to greatly strengthen their military, and more. And did you miss my post about Germany's Chancellor Scholz declaring "Ukraine is Europe" and "Slava Ukraini"? That is positively mind-blowing!
BTW, it's virtually certain that billions will flow into Ukraine for post-war reconstruction. Ukraine will join the EU, and NATO, which will propel them forward with every expectation of a positive future. Russia will descend into the abyss for decades (generations?) to come.
Oh, you don't like Zelenskyy? Too fucking bad! He didn't start the war, and if he vanished tomorrow someone else would step up without missing a beat. Furthermore, I stand by my prediction that he'll be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, which he'll absolutely win.
His population is fleeing the country never to return or being killed.When bombs and missiles are falling, moving out of range is the reasonable thing to do. You have absolutely no idea how many refugees will return, so there's zero factual basis for that statement. If, as I fully expect, Ukraine experiences a post-war construction and business boom (especially as EU integration nears) it's very likely that there will be an equally strong inflow of returnees and other immigrants.
Also, with the arrival of the newest air defenses, Ukraine has become highly efficient at intercepting Orc-missile attacks. That doesn't mean the danger is past, but it does reduce the pressure on people in Kyiv and other areas.
The infrastructure / economy is in ruins or being destroyed.Some of it is, and much that's been destroyed has already been rebuilt. Have you seen photos of the reconstructed areas of Bucha? Have you bothered to notice that Ukraine is once again EXPORTING electricity? Great Britain experienced plenty of destruction during the Blitz, yet nobody used that as an excuse to make peace with Hitler.
And, with the BILLIONS in reconstruction money to come, Ukraine should have no problem rebuilding.
I guess this is winning in your crazy Ass liberal world.You have NO FUCKING CLUE whether I'm a liberal, a conservative, or something else. There are Ukraine supporters in every segment of the political spectrum. One thing I ABSOLUTELY am is someone who carefully observes and evaluates REAL facts and evidence.
Yes, Putin is a terrible person, but he is winning, big time.Yes, he's terrible (evil, actually) but no, he's not winning. I challenge you to produce one shred of OBJECTIVE evidence to back up that statement. And narrative and-or opinion do not qualify as evidence.
Hint: One Captain Obvious metric is to compare the amount of Russian-occupied territory today vs one year ago.
Sanctions are not working,Sanctions are a constantly moving dynamic in which the West tries to stop or restrict various things and Russia tries to avoid them. For every example you could cite, I guarantee I could cite countervailing examples. The bottom-line is how everything translates to battlefield realities. If Russia is doing so well, why are they pulling decades-old tanks out of mothballs? If Russia is doing so well, why has the number of artillery rounds fired daily dropped so dramatically compared to months ago? If Russia is doing so well, why have their missile barrages become much less frequent? In sum, Russia's capabilities have been steadily eroded, and there are zero signs that they can adequately replenish those capabilities.
many parts of the world are in recession now and gas prices are high.Ukrainians are being killed and couldn't care less about your gas prices (which have eased downward recently). And recessions come and go, even in peacetime, so that's a non sequitur. If you feel like complaining, you should send a letter to the Kremlin. Also, rather than any significant degree of "Ukraine fatigue" setting in, Western support remains firm. In fact, it looks like F-16's may be on the way, sooner rather than later.
Not to mention he is now in partnership with many of our enemies. Great job!Good! Better for the world to clearly see who supports Putin and his Orcs. The curtain has been pulled back and people can no longer pretend that Russia or China have "benign" intentions. And Russia is doing a great job turning themselves into a vassal state of China, effectively a larger version of North Korea. So, if China has to provide life-support to Russia, like they do for the Norks, that's an even heavier weight dragging them down. BTW, there's plenty of historic bad blood between Russia and China, so any "partnership" is likely to be less than smooth.
It takes 2 to have a war. Yes, Putin is the aggressor and a bad guy. If you think Ukraine are saints, your drinking the same crap Xman is drinking.
Ukraine had a chance for a bright future, but they screwed it up, mostly because of corruption and greed.
You should always negotiate.If someone wants to kill you, there's no "common ground" for negotiation. You resist and, if possible, kill your attacker, incapacitate them, or bloody them enough that they stop their attack.
I've never portrayed Ukraine as a saint. I've ABSOLUTELY portrayed them as a victim of aggression. How you feel about them is neither material nor relevant. They have an unqualified right to defend their lives and their country, full stop.
You seem to be drinking the same backward-looking propaganda-piss as Questner. Ukraine certainly has had corruption issues, no doubt about it. And the recent arrests of judges show the problem persists.
BUT, you ignore that they're moving forward to EU integration, which means corruption will need to be continually rooted out. And, since they see EU and NATO as essential for security and survival, serious anti-corruption efforts are viewed as mandatory, not optional. Something you also continually and disingenuously ignore is that EU officials will be evaluating Ukraine's progress every step of the way. Ukraine doesn't get to self-certify, they'll have to show real and measurable results.
Besides, whatever Ukraine's past or present problems, nothing justifies Putin's naked aggression. And nothing requires Ukraine to lay down and die. So the logical response is to kill as many Orcs as possible and shove the shards of their bones up Putin's ass. That should probably achieve the desired result, especially if the shards are shoved deep and with a firm twisting motion.
Finally, your intentional ignorance of demonstrable facts makes your Ukraine predictions both groundless and ludicrous. At least others are honestly anti-Ukraine, whereas you're a pathetic phony who pretends to be neutral. It's obvious you have Putin's dick in your mouth, no matter how hard you try to hide it.
This week the RF denounced its participation in the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe. This leads to an inevitable outcome: Ukraine Can't Join NATO.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/ukraine-cant-join-nato/
https://youtu.be/CR-78UGyhhQAll the Putin scum-sucking links you post can't change the absolute fact that Russia is a feeble shadow of its former self. They'll be lucky if they can preserve their own borders. Their master, China, has already started calling Vladivostok by its historic Chinese name.
Mandarin language classes will soon be required in Russian schools and Russian women will soon be shipped off to Beijing to serve as concubines to the Master (Han Chinese) Race!
In other words, Russia is not even in control of its own future. Much less does anyone outside Russia give a flying fuck what they say or want.
BTW, here's a trivia question for you:
Q: Name an international agreement that Russia (or USSR) hasn't broken or violated.
A: The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact!
With a top general MIA for the last two weeks it smells The Beggar of the Year 2022 is pissing his pants afraid to go back to his bunker.
DramaFree11
05-20-23, 04:48
As I proved in my recent post (the one you've conveniently ignored) you've never been in MTY or anywhere else, and never banged hot girls. You are sad, pathetic Russian shill living in a one-bedroom apartment with your parents, working for Prigozhin's Internet Research Agency, or whatever they call it nowadays. The fact your bosses posted you to spam a mongering forum tells me that they consider you a loser with no prospects in life. Take their money while you can.You are one crazy dude. Join me in MTY next weekend. Maybe you can take a break from watching CNN, going out in public might do you some good.
Moscow was my favorite city in the world pre-Covid, it was an amazing place. Now Covid and Putin have ruined my trips. As a result, I re-discovered CDMX and MTY. I am having the best sex of my life and having wild adventures. You should try and have sone fun instead of complaining all the time and living in a fantasy world.
afraid to go back to his bunker.As opposed to the guy who is afraid to leave his bunker? Everyone knows who the coward is.
With a top general MIA for the last two weeks it smells The Beggar of the Year 2022 is pissing his pants afraid to go back to his bunker.A tour of European capitals, a stopover at the Arab Summit, and an integral role at the G-7 Summit in Japan; Zelenskyy's diplomatic efforts have resulted in enthusiastic guarantees of support, as well as opening the door to F-16 pilot training and deliveries of that aircraft. Oh, and he was transported to Japan by a French government plane, so I imagine he was treated to some gourmet in-flight meals.
BTW, even your pathetic attempt at ridicule is an epic fail. Someone who is truly afraid would never risk stepping out of the bunker in the first place.
Which raises the question: Where LilliPutin? And where LilliPutin body-double?
P.S. Ukraine's top general staying out of the public eye, in the lead-up to a much-anticipated counteroffensive, very likely has the Orcs pissing their pants. Hopefully it won't be long before all that remains of those pants-pissers will be a wet spot in the dirt.
You are one crazy dude. Join me in MTY next weekend. Maybe you can take a break from watching CNN, going out in public might do you some good.
Moscow was my favorite city in the world pre-Covid, it was an amazing place. Now Covid and Putin have ruined my trips. As a result, I re-discovered CDMX and MTY. I am having the best sex of my life and having wild adventures. You should try and have sone fun instead of complaining all the time and living in a fantasy world.Since this is a Ukraine-focused subforum, your (alleged) Mexico mongering is irrelevant. What is relevant is your faux-neutrality and consistent anti-Ukraine drivel.
If you're having such a great time in CDMX and MTY, maybe you should spend more time with your head up some puta's twat, rather than up Putin's ass, eh?
You are one crazy dude. Join me in MTY next weekend. Maybe you can take a break from watching CNN, going out in public might do you some good.
Moscow was my favorite city in the world pre-Covid, it was an amazing place. Now Covid and Putin have ruined my trips. As a result, I re-discovered CDMX and MTY. I am having the best sex of my life and having wild adventures. You should try and have sone fun instead of complaining all the time and living in a fantasy world.Yep, aha, in your dreams.
Here are your 3 talking points.
1. Ukraine is corrupt.
2. Ukraine is getting destroyed.
3. Ukraine must negotiate with Putin.
That's it! That's all you've been saying for the last 14 months of the war. Since then, things have changed dramatically on the battlefield and in the world. The only thing that hasn't changed is the same three dumb talking points you started with.
Oh, and that's great that you've been taught some city acronyms (although even then you're still confusing an IATA code MTY with the official name of the Mexican capital CDMX). But it doesn't change the fact that you're a fraud who's probably never been to Mexico or any country beyond your native Russia.
I've overheard the Saudis have offered Zed to renew his Personalausweis at their embassy in Istanbul. With around fifty thousand dead only in Artyomovsk since October 8, 2022 why wouldn't he accept the invitation? One thing is to take court to the circus and another completely is to bring circus into the court.
I've overheard the Saudis have offered Zed to renew his Personalausweis at their embassy in Istanbul. With around fifty thousand dead only in Artyomovsk since October 8, 2022 why wouldn't he accept the invitation? One thing is to take court to the circus and another completely is to bring circus into the court.All you do is suck LilliPutin's dick and spit it out in this forum. And you're not even Putin's favorite dick-sucker, because you don't swallow!
What will you do when Putin gets flushed down the toilet with the rest of the Orc-turds?
One thing is to take court to the circus and another completely is to bring circus into the court.Why don't you bring Putler to court, he has an open invitation from the ICC?
Elvis 2008
05-22-23, 08:40
You are one crazy dude. Join me in MTY next weekend. Maybe you can take a break from watching CNN, going out in public might do you some good.
Moscow was my favorite city in the world pre-Covid, it was an amazing place. Now Covid and Putin have ruined my trips. As a result, I re-discovered CDMX and MTY. I am having the best sex of my life and having wild adventures. You should try and have sone fun instead of complaining all the time and living in a fantasy world.Xpartan is back with the oft quoted Democratic douche move that you have never been to place X, something he wants to be true but is not, and this is why Xpartan is on ignore for me. Obviously, we have met in Monterrey and you have seen stunning women but Xpartan just makes shit up and is too dumb to believe any facts that do not fit the Democratic douche narrative.
Meanwhile, JM has drunk so much Kool Aid that he thinks it is possible that you can kill all these Russians and not have any dead Ukrainians as he pounds away on his keyboard on a hooker forum marshalling up support for Ukrainians being slaughtered. JM, if you are so fucking outraged, do as we have said so often before, go volunteer to fight you coward. You keep calling everyone Putin lovers where you sit on your ass watching Ukrainians die. How about you quit with the name calling and put YOUR ass on the line?
Trump had a town hall meeting on CNN, and his biggest applause line of the night was that he would stop people from dying in Ukraine. The idiotic CNN host was parroting the moronic Democratic douche line about Ukraine winning. He said he could stop the war in 24 hours and made the point that the USA had sent $170 billion in aid versus Europe's $20 billion. I have heard the Democratic douches say this is a war not just on Ukraine but Europe. Well, the European countries are not spending like it is a war on Europe.
And let's not forget that Ukraine was used to get Biden's God awful handling of Covid off the front pages. You remember that? Two years of nonstop headlines on Covid were gone from the front pages in an instant. I was actually in a country where they still had up the mask signs and social distancing and I just shake my head and ask, "How did so many people fall for this complete bullshit?" I imagine we will be asking the same about this war some day.
The Democrats lied their asses off about Putin stealing the 2016 election and their response now is he is a madman. Well, here is a great idea. Let's make up a complete lie about a madman and see what he does. If you are a Democratic douche, the 2016 lies and the Ukraine invasion have nothing to do with each other, but in actuality, it proved to Putin beyond a shadow of a doubt he could not trust the Democrats. And I have said this about these douches before but when it comes to everything but nukes, Putin is a madman. With nukes though, they want to believe he is stone cold rational.
Xpartan is back with the oft quoted Democratic douche move that you have never been to place X, something he wants to be true but is not, and this is why Xpartan is on ignore for me. Obviously, we have met in Monterrey and you have seen stunning women but Xpartan just makes shit up and is too dumb to believe any facts that do not fit the Democratic douche narrative.
Meanwhile, JM has drunk so much Kool Aid that he thinks it is possible that you can kill all these Russians and not have any dead Ukrainians as he pounds away on his keyboard on a hooker forum marshalling up support for Ukrainians being slaughtered. JM, if you are so fucking outraged, do as we have said so often before, go volunteer to fight you coward. You keep calling everyone Putin lovers where you sit on your ass watching Ukrainians die. How about you quit with the name calling and put YOUR ass on the line?
Trump had a town hall meeting on CNN, and his biggest applause line of the night was that he would stop people from dying in Ukraine. The idiotic CNN host was parroting the moronic Democratic douche line about Ukraine winning. He said he could stop the war in 24 hours and made the point that the USA had sent $170 billion in aid versus Europe's $20 billion. I have heard the Democratic douches say this is a war not just on Ukraine but Europe. Well, the European countries are not spending like it is a war on Europe..You are truly all over the fucking map with this one. Are you congenitally unable to form a coherent thought? Are you mentally incapable of constructing any kind of reasoned argument? All the evidence of your posting history suggests not!
In a single rant you whine about Xpartan, me, CNN, COVID, and the 2016 election. Wow, that probably sets a new record for rambling, congrats!
Xpartan can speak for himself, and your other ramblings are so incoherent that they wither on their own, so I'll just speak to your asinine bleatings about me.
1. About outrage, you obviously haven't read my earlier post in which I proposed a moral thought experiment. I challenge you to respond to that post and show why my feelings of moral outrage are misplaced. If you want to be a moral reprobate, that's your choice. But trying to belittle moral outrage that is completely justified does nothing but display your amorality. If karma is a thing, you might want to keep an eye out for life to deal you a personal blow that moves you to outrage. And, if and when some atrocity hits you personally, please feel free to come back and post about your newly awakened moral sensibilities. In the meantime, for all the moral pygmies in this forum, go fuck yourselves.
1. About my efforts on behalf of Ukraine, I support them in ways that you have no fucking clue about. If you're so anti-Ukraine, why aren't you with Wagner PMC on the front lines of Bakhmut? And why do you continually deny Putin's agency? He gave the marching order on Feb 24th. Is he a puppet, or did he act as a free agent? You can't have it both ways. If he's a free agent, then he's responsible for ordering the invasion, full stop.
3. About the name-calling, I only do it when it's 100% justified and accurate. So, as pertains to you specifically, it's hard to find a single name that adequately captures your idiocy. Mental midget comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others equally suitable.
Meanwhile, if you'd like to learn how to be less incoherent, here are some tips:
https://literaryterms.net/when-and-how-to-write-coherently/
Of course, it's highly unlikely that you care. And equally unlikely that you'd be able to comprehend the tutorial.
4. Any questions?
P.S. I've never claimed that Russians can be killed while avoiding Ukrainian casualties. I challenge you to produce one shred of evidence to back up your BS claim. You can't, and won't, because that's just another one of your blatant lies. Your recurring falsehoods really make anything and everything you post nothing more than a bile-filled stinking puddle of dog vomit.
Elvis 2008
05-22-23, 20:51
You are truly all over the fucking map with this one. Are you congenitally unable to form a coherent thought? Are you mentally incapable of constructing any kind of reasoned argument? All the evidence of your posting history suggests not!
In a single rant you whine about Xpartan, me, CNN, COVID, and the 2016 election. Wow, that probably sets a new record for rambling, congrats!
Xpartan can speak for himself, and your other ramblings are so incoherent that they wither on their own, so I'll just speak to your asinine bleatings about me.
1. About outrage, you obviously haven't read my earlier post in which I proposed a moral thought experiment. I challenge you to respond to that post and show why my feelings of moral outrage are misplaced. If you want to be a moral reprobate, that's your choice. But trying to belittle moral outrage that is completely justified does nothing but display your amorality. If karma is a thing, you might want to keep an eye out for life to deal you a personal blow that moves you to outrage. And, if and when some atrocity hits you personally, please feel free to come back and post about your newly awakened moral sensibilities. In the meantime, for all the moral pygmies in this forum, go fuck yourselves.
1. About my efforts on behalf of Ukraine, I support them in ways that you have no fucking clue about. If you're so anti-Ukraine, why aren't you with Wagner PMC on the front lines of Bakhmut? And why do you continually deny Putin's agency? He gave the marching order on Feb 24th. Is he a puppet, or did he act as a free agent? You can't have it both ways. If he's a free agent, then he's responsible for ordering the invasion, full stop.
3. About the name-calling, I only do it when it's 100% justified and accurate. So, as pertains to you specifically, it's hard to find a single name that adequately captures your idiocy. Mental midget comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others equally suitable.
Meanwhile, if you'd like to learn how to be less incoherent, here are some tips:
https://literaryterms.net/when-and-how-to-write-coherently/
Of course, it's highly unlikely that you care. And equally unlikely that you'd be able to comprehend the tutorial.
4. Any questions?Everything you have written above is just pure bullshit. You attack none of the arguments and go off on me.
P.S. I've never claimed that Russians can be killed while avoiding Ukrainian casualties. I challenge you to produce one shred of evidence to back up your BS claim.No, it is just a lie of omission. You keep blathering on about Russians dying and casually forget to mention the Ukrainians who have died to produce that result. But hey, you can talk of victory of a hooker forum with no cost to yourself and imagine the hundreds of billions of dollars coming in from God knows where to rebuild the country, but none of that really matters. All that matters is your wearing a yellow and blue pin showing your "support" for Ukraine (whatever the hell that means). By all means, JM, keep patting yourself on the back and keep telling yourself that your caring about Ukraine (not the people dying but the mission and the associated "victory") makes you a morally superior person.
https://youtu.be/5U4RSrl9Gwo
How often would you see a Hollywood movie scenario where an ideological and greedy gang of terrorists with 'all-or-nothing' attitude hijacks a plane? The assassins start on executing the passengers until their demands are met. With a help of few brave the only marshal on board tries to convince the gang leader and their associates to land and free everyone onboard. The marshal has a deadline as he knows that the plane can be shot down off the skies.
Everything you have written above is just pure bullshit. You attack none of the arguments and go off on me.
No, it is just a lie of omission. You keep blathering on about Russians dying and casually forget to mention the Ukrainians who have died to produce that result. But hey, you can talk of victory of a hooker forum with no cost to yourself and imagine the hundreds of billions of dollars coming in from God knows where to rebuild the country, but none of that really matters. All that matters is your wearing a yellow and blue pin showing your "support" for Ukraine (whatever the hell that means). By all means, JM, keep patting yourself on the back and keep telling yourself that your caring about Ukraine (not the people dying but the mission and the associated "victory") makes you a morally superior person.If you had the intellectual capacity to actually formulate a coherent argument, maybe a response would be possible. But ranting is not the same as arguing. Too bad you can't tell the difference.
Oh, and what a complete and total pussy you must be to whine about my "going off on you" when it was YOU who took a blatantly personal swipe at me.
But you already established what a TOTAL pussy you are with this simple admission:
"this is why Xpartan is on ignore for me".
ROTFLMAO! Wow! Do you need ISG to create a "Safe Space in Kyiv" forum where you won't need to worry about getting your widdle feewings hurt? Is there a better example of pathetic and teminal pussiness than that? I don't think so.
And, once again you stoop to lies because you can't point to a SINGLE thing I've posted to back up your ludicrous straw man assertions. And, since you can't actually quote anything I've said, you just make shit up.
BTW, Mr. Faux-no-balls-patriot, what are YOU doing to fight against the nefarious forces you see around every corner and behind every tree? Did you get arrested with the Jan 6th protesters? Or are you just wearing a "J-6" pin in support?
That's actually rhetorical, no need to answer. Someone who is so pussified that they have to hit the "ignore" button probably pisses themselves at the drop of a hat.
Clean-up on Aisle Elvis!
P.S. Why don't you put me, and everyone else (except Drama and Questner) on ignore? Then you could enjoy an endlessly delusional menage a trois! Or maybe it'd just be a circle-jerk?
https://youtu.be/5U4RSrl9Gwo
How often would you see a Hollywood movie scenario where an ideological and greedy gang of terrorists with 'all-or-nothing' attitude hijacks a plane? The assassins start on executing the passengers until their demands are met. With a help of few brave the only marshal on board tries to convince the gang leader and their associates to land and free everyone onboard. The marshal has a deadline as he knows that the plane can be shot down off the skies.Evil bully and his gang terrorize a small town. The townspeople rally around their sheriff, defeat the evil bully and his gang, and kill or arrest all the bad guys.
The townspeople and their sheriff live happily ever after.
You attack none of the arguments and go off on me.Resolved: Vladimir Putin personally gave the order to invade Ukraine. Therefore, by definition, Putin is the aggressor.
Evidence in support:
1. In the early hours of Feb 24th, 2022, Russian forces entered Ukraine and advanced on multiple axes, including toward Kyiv.
2. In the early hours of Feb 24th, 2022, Putin publicly announced the invasion, calling it a "Special Military Operation".
3. Absent evidence that Putin was acting against his own will, the logical conclusion is that Putin was acting as a free agent.
4. At the time Putin ordered the invasion, there were no foreign troops (NATO, Ukraine, etc.) on Russian soil.
5. At the time Putin ordered the invasion, Ukraine was much weaker, militarily, and posed no credible threat to Russia.
6. At the time Putin ordered the invasion, NATO was an alliance of 30 nations, with unanimous consent required before any military action could be initiated.
7. At the time Putin ordered the invasion, NATO was an alliance of 30 nations, of which several (Hungary, Turkey, Germany, France, etc.) were on good terms with Russia and would never have approved military action against it.
8. Items 6 and 7, taken together, are prima facie evidence that NATO posed no credible threat to Russia.
Conclusion: Absent any credible threat against it, Russia launched a war and invasion against Ukraine. And it did so on the free-will orders of Putin. Therefore, Putin is the aggressor.
See how that works? Feel free (if you can) to debate any of the points I raised in support of the argument.
"SM-3: The ICBM Stopper. The newest SM-3 variant, Block IIA, has shown it can actually play a role in taking down enemy intercontinental ballistic missiles.
It can do so by being thrust just beyond the boundary of the Earth's atmosphere, where it can take out an ICBM just as the missile finishes its mid-course phase and descends into a terminal phase within the atmosphere.
This is incredibly significant and a historic breakthrough that was first confirmed during a test in 2020".
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/05/sm-3-iia-the-missile-that-could-kill-russian-of-chinese-icbms-in-a-war/
If this is the level of information that's publicly available (since 2020), then I imagine the classified info is likely to be quite eye-opening.
And, if this is what's publicly known, I imagine both Russia and China have been working overtime to figure out how this affects their nuclear calculus.
All nuclear powers routinely monitor the weapons tests of other nuclear powers, so Russia and China would have some idea of the missile's capabilities.
If the US has truly developed a reliable ICBM stopper, and if we have an adequate supply, that's potentially a game changing development.
as he knows that the plane can be shot down off the skies.Do you mean when the Raschists shot down an innocent passenger plane MH17? Raschists have always been terrorists it seems, thanks for reminding everyone.
How's it going in Belgorod BTW?
Xpartan is back with the oft quoted Democratic douche move that you have never been to place X, something he wants to be true but is not, and this is why Xpartan is on ignore for me. Obviously, we have met in Monterrey and you have seen stunning women but Xpartan just makes shit up and is too dumb to believe any facts that do not fit the Democratic douche narrative.Can't stay away, can you, Elvis? I've already explained to you that it's not "ignore" when you talk about someone, but not to someone. You're still reading, still paying attention and still getting aggravated.
What's the point, really?
Elvis 2008
05-23-23, 17:38
Resolved: Vladimir Putin personally gave the order to invade Ukraine. Therefore, by definition, Putin is the aggressor.
Evidence in support:
1. In the early hours of Feb 24th, 2022, Russian forces entered Ukraine and advanced on multiple axes, including toward Kyiv.
2. In the early hours of Feb 24th, 2022, Putin publicly announced the invasion, calling it a "Special Military Operation".
3. Absent evidence that Putin was acting against his own will, the logical conclusion is that Putin was acting as a free agent.
4. At the time Putin ordered the invasion, there were no foreign troops (NATO, Ukraine, etc.) on Russian soil.
5. At the time Putin ordered the invasion, Ukraine was much weaker, militarily, and posed no credible threat to Russia.Yawn. How about posting 2 and 2 equal 4. Everyone here knows all that you dumb Democratic douche. I had a Driver's Ed teacher say that when you get into an accident, "Does it really matter whose fault it is?" Does it matter how the war started or is it important that it ends? Unless you are thinking of invading Russia (and that latest idiocy about shooting down ICBMs) makes me wonder if you are crazy enough to advocate that, do you get that there has to be a deal worked with Putin and that means addressing his feelings and those of the Russian people? You can cry to the heavens how dumb Putin and the Russians are for invading Ukraine but unless they feel secure about their borders, this war is not going to end.
But I have seen this dumb Democratic douche movie before. At its worst with Covid, we had these idiotic Democratic douches literally advocating for not medically treating the unvaccinated. And now we have a dumb shit Democratic douche in you literally cheering on death in this war. You really need to go out and get laid bro.
Yawn. How about posting 2 and 2 equal 4. Shit, I love math. Allow me to help.
I had a Driver's Ed teacher say that when you get into an accident, "Does it really matter whose fault it is?" Why yes, Elvis, it does!
Does it matter how the war started?Fuck yes, Elvis, it does!
Or is it important that it ends? Fuck yes, but you've forgotten one more:
Is it important how it ends? Because, my shrimp-headed friend, it's very fucking important how wars end.
Unless you are thinking of invading Russia (and that latest idiocy about shooting down ICBMs) makes me wonder if you are crazy enough to advocate that, do you get that there has to be a deal worked with Putin and that means addressing his feelings and those of the Russian people? You can cry to the heavens how dumb Putin and the Russians are for invading Ukraine but unless they feel secure about their borders, this war is not going to end.Tell me, wise one, should we have made a deal with Hitler back in 1940's?
Just yes or no. Yes or fucking no, Elvis? Be honest now. What do you really think?
Oh and I snipped your misplaced Covid idiocy. I know you can't help it, so -- you're welcome.
And now we have a dumb shit Democratic douche in you literally cheering on death in this war. You really need to go out and get laid bro.Almost every suburban high school in my metro area has a few refugee Ukrainians. I can tell you absolutely there's no dad here that would send his boy into that human tragedy. Yet, fools that have nothing to do with country advocate more death.
https://t.me/ministry_of_defense_ua/7655
Wagner captures Russian commander as Prigozhin feud with army escalates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/wagner-group-release-video-of-captured-russian-commander
https://nypost.com/2023/06/05/russian-officer-captured-accused-of-firing-on-mercenaries/
TL; DR.
So having finally "captured" a town of Bakhmut (after 9+ months of heavy fighting and 20,000+ dead Russians), Prigozhin, the head of PMC Wagner, decides it's time to withdraw. Because, you know, capturing a town is one thing, but holding it is another, and he knew that "holding" part would be problematic. The Army command, however, has other idea and it sends a unit that mines the routs Wagner is using to retreat. That doesn't sit well with Prigozhin, so he sends his desperados, who promptly kill a few (probably a dozen) Russian soldiers and take their lieutenant-colonel prisoner.
Question: How does the Russian Ministry of Defense react?
Answer: Like nothing happened.
Prigozhin is allowed to withdraw his unit out of Bakhmut, and the AFU promptly moved in. They're now controlling the western and southern outskirts of the city.
This is how their war will end. The Russian snake will eat itself by confusing its own tail for an enemy.
Do I smell sulfur in the air again?
DramaFree11
06-06-23, 03:44
Wagner captures Russian commander as Prigozhin feud with army escalates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/wagner-group-release-video-of-captured-russian-commander
https://nypost.com/2023/06/05/russian-officer-captured-accused-of-firing-on-mercenaries/
TL; DR.
So having finally "captured" a town of Bakhmut (after 9+ months of heavy fighting and 20,000+ dead Russians), Prigozhin, the head of PMC Wagner, decides it's time to withdraw. Because, you know, capturing a town is one thing, but holding it is another, and he knew that "holding" part would be problematic. The Army command, however, has other idea and it sends a unit that mines the routs Wagner is using to retreat. That doesn't sit well with Prigozhin, so he sends his desperados, who promptly kill a few (probably a dozen) Russian soldiers and take their lieutenant-colonel prisoner.
Question: How does the Russian Ministry of Defense react?
Answer: Like nothing happened.
Prigozhin is allowed to withdraw his unit out of Bakhmut, and the AFU promptly moved in. They're now controlling the western and southern outskirts of the city.
This is how their war will end. The Russian snake will eat itself by confusing its own tail for an enemy.Is this another one of your fantasy. Ukraine is getting destroyed, do you really believe this crap.
Do I smell sulfur in the air again?Yes, you love the smell of your own farts you RuZZian piece of shit.
Is this another one of your fantasy. Ukraine is getting destroyed, do you really believe this crap.After the war, there will be no Russian Federation, the country will split apart. Better suck up that copium you piece of shit.
John Clayton
06-06-23, 21:15
Is this another one of your fantasy. Ukraine is getting destroyed, do you really believe this crap.How have your previous predictions worked out? Have you ever been right?
Is this another one of your fantasy. Ukraine is getting destroyed, do you really believe this crap.You're not even trying, tovarisch.
Zero work ethics!
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
The Lord will strike down all Z fuckheadsIdolise that man, he may yet preside over the duchy of musovy when the Federation breaks ups.
How have your previous predictions worked out? Have you ever been right?He's never been right about anything, he's been throwing shade on Ukraine long before the war started. The guy is a Vatnik idiot, similarly to Q there is no benefit to reasoning with them, they don't deserve intellectual engagement, mockery is enough. I managed to get a picture of the two of those idiots together.
How have your previous predictions worked out? Have you ever been right?Well, he repeats the same exact drivel for the last 1. 5 years, so he must be on to something, right? LOL!
3.22: There will be nothing will be left of Ukraine
5.22: Ukraine is now losing and it is only going to get worse.
7.22: Ukraine is being destroyed
12.22: Ukraine is screwed either way
2.23: Ukraine is being wiped out.
4.23: Ukraine is getting destroyed.
5.23: . . . they are being wiped out.
6.23: Ukraine is getting destroyed.
DramaFree11
06-09-23, 01:25
He's never been right about anything, he's been throwing shade on Ukraine long before the war started. The guy is a Vatnik idiot, similarly to Q there is no benefit to reasoning with them, they don't deserve intellectual engagement, mockery is enough. I managed to get a picture of the two of those idiots together.You are smoking the same crap Xman is smoking. You guys never talk about how the west and the Euro's are destroying and using Ukraine, in an attempt to get back at Putin.
The Ukraine military has obviously out performed everyone expectations, but they are running out of gas and men, but in your liberal world, they can magically produce more men. A tie is not a win for Ukraine, not like in your crazy ass liberal world.
Funny you liberals never talk about negotiations or a settlement, just keep the war going. Meanwhile Ukraine keeps getting destroyed, Ukraine infrastructure is in shambles, civilians that are lucky enough to leave the country, never to return, so many civilians lives are being destroyed, and 2-3 generations of men is being wiped out. Yes, Ukraine is winning!
Xman, I am heading back to MTY this weekend again, join me, to actually be with real girls. , maybe you can leave your computer for a weekend. They have CNN in Mexico, your keep watching your favorite channel. This is real world un-like the fantasy world you live in. Keep up the lies and manipulation of the truth.
Vatnik cope and mumblingYou don't need to be a liberal to want war mongering invaders to fuck off and die. Don't talk to us, just drop your weapons and fuck off back to Muscovy, when you do that we can have a long talk. Asking for talks while you are invading someone else's country as committing war crimes daily is not an option you obtuse disingenuous piece of shit. Whatever part of the political spectrum a person is on, they don't want murdering RuZZian bastards running roughshod over Ukrainian land. Get that through your thick Vatnik skull.
No one wants to hang out with filthy muscovians, go fuck yourself.
Should I care about few worthless and heartless troglodytes? Nope. But you should know that only in Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) the AFU lost more that the US during the whole Vietnam War. Only in a couple of recent days the human toll was more than the US lost during the whole 20 years in Afghanistan. Hundreds of millions of equipment has been burned, all paid by deficit borrowing.
The table of Bakhmut's losses attached:
Should I care about few worthless and heartless troglodytes?Fuck you Orc shithead.
Clown land goes brrr, the world watches and laughs.
Fuck you Orc shithead.He's now attaching tables, don't you see? And the other "Ukraine must be destroyed" fella has recently pasted a whole post with a few paragraphs. I don't know if their boss told them to work harder, but they're finally trying, it seems.
'Too little for a counteroffensive!
A new promising bunker with a toilet for Zed (alluding to Putin's legendary promise made in 2000 to kill terrorists everywhere be in while they are in the loo).
He's now attaching tables, don't you see? And the other "Ukraine must be destroyed" fella has recently pasted a whole post with a few paragraphs. I don't know if their boss told them to work harder, but they're finally trying, it seems.That pair of idiots, so much cope.
alluding to Putin's legendary promise...Yo fuckhead, the one that keeps himself locked in the bunker while shitting himself isn't from UA. Even Nature hates RuZZian cunts. Why don't you go for a swim? We'll all watch.
Zed has been piling up amidst burned equipment.
The sullen green goblin and his predecessor now can only squawk from the bunker or a commode's hole: remember that was the fate they promised to the children of Donbass!
The sullen orc sucks his own dick and cries while his money devalues by the second!Do all ruZZians shit themselves uncontrollably or just you and Putin?
The only memory to remain of the two will be the flood.
The only memory to remain of the two will be the flood.There will be many memories of the wretched criminals. It's all recorded.
At least 11 civilians are killed and dozens are wounded after a Russian missile hit an apartment building in Kryvyi Rih last night. Kryvyi Rih is Zelensky's hometown. The toll is expected to rise.
What a country!
And let's not forget the finest, morally incorruptible people who're tirelessly defending her atrocities all over the world, even here on this forum.
Seriously, let's not. I sincerely hope that we'll never forget them and their roles, no matter how small they might seem right now.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/democratic-backsliding/
DramaFree11
06-14-23, 15:10
At least 11 civilians are killed and dozens are wounded after a Russian missile hit an apartment building in Kryvyi Rih last night. Kryvyi Rih is Zelensky's hometown. The toll is expected to rise.
What a country!
And let's not forget the finest, morally incorruptible people who're tirelessly defending her atrocities all over the world, even here on this forum.
Seriously, let's not. I sincerely hope that we'll never forget them and their roles, no matter how small they might seem right now.You really think Pres. Z. Is not doing the exact same thing. War is hell!
You may think it's the lame on the shoulders of the blind; alas, no, it's the blind leading the dead.
Last nine days for the AFU: 7,500 dead, 160 tanks and 360 armored vehicles lost.
You should have been invited to the yesterday's meeting with the military correspondents in Kremlin. No, you haven't? Well, maybe next time. Just poking.
Read my lips: https://youtu.be/9gN3k0UXpxQ.
You should have been invited to the yesterday's meeting with the military correspondents in Kremlin.You should have fucked off back to Muscovy.
What an absolute shambles.
Looks like the Counter Offensive is having a lot of success. Getting rid of some of the worst criminals in the world. I thank Ukraine for this service to democracy and peace.
'Mein Kaput' is a new opera to be penned by Zed. Soon at garage sales in the West.
New patented green version o vaZELine by Zed and Co soon to be distributed among his gang of lowlife swindlers and traitors, good both for an Arschloch and lips during harsh Siberian winters.
https://youtu.be/5g2FYAL8D2w
Zed is pooping his pants big time, and with couple of his henchmen already literally losing their brains, who will blame him?
John Clayton
06-16-23, 03:38
https://youtu.be/5g2FYAL8D2w
Zed is pooping his pants big time, and with couple of his henchmen already literally losing their brains, who will blame him?Moderator, this is a bot account. A waste of bandwidth.
Zed is pooping his pants big timeEveryone knows who falls down stairs and shits himself and it isn't VZ. So much cope you fucking loser.
War crimes are getting recorded and there will be a reckoning for these vile Z shits.
TASS has put together Putin's key answers.
On Ukrainian counteroffensive:
The losses that Kiev is facing during its so-called counteroffensive are ten times greater than Moscow's. The Ukrainian armed forces have already lost 186 tanks and 418 armored vehicles.
The main thing is that Kiev has achieved no success in any area.
Putin on future of F-16 jets:
The F-16 fighter jets that the West may send to Ukraine will face the same fate as the tanks that were provided to the country. The tanks are burning, including Leopards. F-16's will burn in the same way, there is no doubt about it.
If they are deployed to air bases beyond Ukraine but get involved in military activities, we will have to figure out where and how we can hit the equipment that is being used against us in combat. This creates a serious risk of NATO being dragged further into the armed conflict.
Putin on buffer zone:
By trying to attack the Kremlin and the Belgorod Region, Kiev is provoking Russia to take serious and strong retaliatory measures.
Russia can destroy any target in Kiev but sees no need to do so: We destroyed five Patriot systems outside Kiev, so we would not have any problem wiping out any building in downtown Kiev. We have the opportunity but don't have the need to do so.
If attacks on Russia's border regions continue, Moscow would consider the possibility of creating a buffer zone in Ukraine.
Putin on West's role in Ukraine:
The West seeks to shift the responsibility by accusing Russia of unleashing the conflict in Ukraine. However, we are well aware of how it all began.
Moscow was forced to use the army to help Donbass in a bid to end this armed conflict. Today, Western countries are doing their best to make Russia suffer a strategic defeat on the battlefield, while NATO is being dragged into the war in Ukraine.
Putin on nuclear weapons:
Russia will not hold talks on nuclear arms reduction with the West. No way!
Russia has no need to use nuclear weapons but in theory, it's definitely possible to use them: It would be possible if there is a threat to our territorial integrity, independence and sovereignty, as well as to the existence of the Russian state.
The first batch of tactical nuclear warheads has already been delivered to Belarus. We will fully complete this work by the end of the year.
(in fact the original No way! Was a polite version of No fucking way!
Putin onn Zelensky:
Since I was a child, I have always had many Jewish friends. They say that Zelensky is not Jewish, but a disgrace to the Jewish people.
(and you have to read the full interview in the full context of what has been said).
The losses that Kiev is facing during its so-called counteroffensive are ten times greater than Moscow's. The Ukrainian armed forces have already lost 186 tanks and 418 armored vehicles.
The main thing is that Kiev has achieved no success in any area.The level cope is hilarious. This guy clearly has his head stuck right up his own ass.
If they are deployed to air bases beyond Ukraine but get involved in military activities, we will have to figure out where and how we can hit the equipment that is being used against us in combat. This creates a serious risk of NATO being dragged further into the armed conflict.Go on, attack NATO you fucking idiots, then you really will see a 3 day war. What has been given to UA is deprecated stock, imagine what would happen if the actual state of the art equipment is deployed. Cope harder retards.
Russia can destroy any target in Kiev but sees no need to do so: We destroyed five Patriot systems outside Kiev... If attacks on Russia's border regions continue, Moscow would consider the possibility of creating a buffer zone in Ukraine.Moscow can do fuck all, they are already losing this war and getting beaten by amateurs on the their own land. Amazing you destroyed 5 out of 2 patriot systems, is that in addition to the 50 HIMARS that Muscovy destroyed? Copium Extreme.
It would be possible if there is a threat to our territorial integrity, independence and sovereignty, as well as to the existence of the Russian state.If you deploy nukes, that will be the end of the RuZZian state. At that point NATO will be forced to act and it will not stop until the state is destroyed. Cope harder fuckhead.
Looks like we have a picture of Questner. This is him every night reading about RuZZian getting fucked in the ass by Ukraine.
Moderator, this is a bot account. A waste of bandwidth.Not sure about the bot, but yesterday Questner spammed the forum with several bona fide Putin's propaganda lines. That's not an opinion; we're talking about a direct dissemination of propaganda from a fascist aggressor state. I don't know how it's not a blatant violation of the forum rules.
The Answer is right here https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/06/06/leopard-2-tank-seen-destroyed-in-russian-media-video-was-actually-a-farm-harvester/?sh=55352f701dfd.
The Answer is right here https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/06/06/leopard-2-tank-seen-destroyed-in-russian-media-video-was-actually-a-farm-harvester/?sh=55352f701dfd.True: One of the social media posts on Telegram depicted a Spring 2022 video with what looks like an agricultural equipment targeted. Propaganda war is on, and no one has cancelled on critical thinking. However it doesn't change the reality on the ground. I can post videos with burned and destroyed equipment supplied by NATO, including tanks. There are couple of reasons and rules why I don't post them.
Bradley destroyed near abandoned Leopard tank:
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/47448
Dutch. American armored M113 vehicles destroyed:
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/47467
(warning: 18+).
Look that fucking idiot is at it again.
Senator Dick Black, GOP the VA Senate, Purple Heart Veteran:
Ukraine's offensive hit a steel wall. 7,000 KIA, 160 tanks and 360 armored vehicles destroyed in just one week with trivial gains. It is a pointless bloodbath. Charred Leopard tanks and Bradley vehicles lie everywhere. Telling Ukraine to fight "for as long as it takes" is inhuman. End this tragic war now. 7:34 am · 14 Jun 2023 2 M Views.
https://twitter.com/SenRichardBlack/status/1668945069636820993?s=20
John Clayton
06-19-23, 02:54
Dutch. American armored M113 vehicles destroyed:
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/47467
(warning: 18+).Moderator: this account is obviously a Russian bot. It should be blocked.
Senator Dick Black, RuZZian shill lies his ass off as usualYou keep forgetting that Muscovite Propaganda doesn't work outside of Muscovy you stupid fuck.
Senator Dick Black, GOP the VA Senate, Purple Heart Veteran:
Ukraine's offensive hit a steel wall. 7,000 KIA, 160 tanks and 360 armored vehicles destroyed in just one week with trivial gains. It is a pointless bloodbath. Charred Leopard tanks and Bradley vehicles lie everywhere. Telling Ukraine to fight "for as long as it takes" is inhuman. End this tragic war now. 7:34 am 14 Jun 2023 2 M Views.
https://twitter.com/SenRichardBlack/status/1668945069636820993?s=20And Dick Black, the FORMER senator of Virginia Senate (and a cocksucker for Putin and Asad) strikes again, Now armed with the RF DOD numbers. Splendid!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4028-Stupid-Shit-in-Kyiv&p=2741991&highlight=richard+black#post2741991.
Let's do a video recap.
https://www.rt.com/russia/578306-videos-destroyed-hardware-ukraine-counteroffensive/
Me Too Kiev style:
Hooker: $50 everything included.
Zed: I charge the same rate.
Don't you rush it, Zed! There is a line of 29 dicks per each NATO country member to get you in!
Don't you rush it, Zed! There is a line of 29 dicks per each NATO country member to get you in!Hey man, you're spamming tf out of this board, can you please stop? Enough is enough.
These aren't reports you're serial posting. None of this is specific to what's going on in Kiev. Maybe your posts belong in one of the russia sub-forums (.
Extreme CopiumMore and more reports are coming in of Z losses. In fact the more losses accrued from Muscovy the more the troll factory post weird shit.
Quote: Even by the standards of the Neocons who engineered this war, it is not going well. The "spring counteroffensive" is a pathetic failure. I'm waiting to see how the administration will sugarcoat this calamity to shore up dwindling support for this disastrous misadventure, one in a long series of forever wars.
https://robertfkennedyjr.substack.com/p/bidens-foreign-policy-war
Now, when the lying sob is out of Parliament, it's worth reminding that one of the negotiators in the Ukrainian delegation was shot by the SS after the first round in March 2022.
Quote: With each passing day, it's becoming clear that the Ukrainian counteroffensive is failing to achieve any of its originally stated objectives.
https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1670923154443882496?s=20
A reminder for the clueless:
https://odysee.com/@RTDocumentary:4/Operation_Ukraine_Bandera's_Dark_Shadow:2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
A reminder for the cluelessThe Z-tard trying to tell people that they are clueless.
Someone is coming for you, and when they find you there will be no mercy.
On June 22nd a reminder of why the present dead end ideology promoted by the gang of bone breakers and grifters occupying Kiev will be eradicated:
https://youtu.be/7ibizxvxgaY
The Z-tard trying to tell people that they are clueless.
Someone is coming for you, and when they find you there will be no mercy.Poor Pu stutters and giggles when he hears the name Zaluzhny.
"be-be-but where is he? I-I-I know. ".
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-valery-zaluzhny-stammer-video-1807529
On June 22nd a reminder of why every Muscovite is sucking his own dick and coping like fuckReminder on 22nd June that RuZZians are still kidnapping Ukrainian children, raping their women and as places are liberated people are finding mass graves and evidence of war crimes. RuZZian PropagandaBot Go Fuck Yourself.
While this tragedy goes on, don't you still think you're going to get away?
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/47837
Kilgore: AN / TWQ-1, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of The Avenger in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'them, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell? The whole hill. Smelled like. Victory. Someday this war's going to end.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/47815
While The Creepy has already loaded the future generation with an extra grand of debt to pay for his gas adventure in Ukraine, the local gangsters and collaborators are pissing it all.
'Degradation. The Triptych' :
Orc liesLOL no meme needed.
Just LOLOLOLOLOL, got my popcorn out and laughing so fucking hard at your shithole country falling into civil war.
LOLOLOLOLOL.
This too shall pass.I heard that Ukraine has actually run out of popcorn and they are shipping in more urgently.
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