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Admin
01-01-00, 04:00
Thread Starter.

Woodman09
06-01-19, 17:58
LOL. I talk a lot of crap, Money definitely can make a difference.


GFE happens, paying more does not necessarily create a connection with your ho. I have had GFE paying $10 and some of the hottest girls too.

That is why speaking Spanish can make your experience 10 x + Better.

A wad of cash guarantees nothing. Persuasion counts for more.

Riina
06-02-19, 14:37
LOL. I talk a lot of crap, Money definitely can make a difference.The monger in me says you don't believe this.

Blue Touch
06-03-19, 23:04
I am looking for robbery rates in Santa Fe district and in Chapinero vs. Those in El Centro and other districts in Medellin. If you know credible figures, please let me know. No thanks for the city-wide rates. They are at everywhere. Thanks.

KangarooTed
06-04-19, 10:20
I am looking for robbery rates in Santa Fe district and in Chapinero vs. Those in El Centro and other districts in Medellin. If you know credible figures, please let me know. No thanks for the city-wide rates. They are at everywhere. Thanks.Apologies I'm not clear on why you want these, are you writing a paper on the topic?

I'll hazard an answer for what it's worth:

If you intend to walk around flashing your iPhone in the street in the night, and generally showing the papaya, over a week long period, the chances of you getting robbed in Santa Fe are 100%.

If you spent the same amount of time there and don't flash your iPhone around using it at night in the street, the chances of you getting robbed is zero%.

It depends entirely on you behaviour.

Is that relevant to your question?

If you want to get robbed, I'm sure you can find someone to accommodate you, wherever you go.

Blue Touch
06-04-19, 21:18
I am looking for public statistics, not your subjective impression or personal opinion. Certainly my question is stupid and less intelligent than these posts on the Bogota thread. Thank you.


Apologies I'm not clear on why you want these, are you writing a paper on the topic?

I'll hazard an answer for what it's worth:

If you intend to walk around flashing your iPhone in the street in the night, and generally showing the papaya, over a week long period, the chances of you getting robbed in Santa Fe are 100%.

If you spent the same amount of time there and don't flash your iPhone around using it at night in the street, the chances of you getting robbed is zero%.

It depends entirely on you behaviour.

Is that relevant to your question?

If you want to get robbed, I'm sure you can find someone to accommodate you, wherever you go.

KilledSoul
06-04-19, 21:42
If you spent the same amount of time there and don't flash your iPhone around using it at night in the street, the chances of you getting robbed is zero%.




It depends entirely on you behaviour.
It also depends what you look like. If you look weak and dumb gringo who doesn't know what he is doing, you are going to be a target. I for one didn't have any problem in Santa Fe and felt safe but few weeks ago an Asian guy from this forum was robbed of his iPhone X.

My advice would be, fuck statistics because it depends on the individual. If you look like a tough Latino you won't be messed with. But if you are really dumb you can be robbed in El Poblado too.

My advice:

1. Have the mindset of "Glass is already broken" I. E "You are going to be robbed" so keep your cards and iPhone at room and only take minimum cash and a cheap phone to Santa Fe.

2. Take help of a senior member on this forum for first few trips to Santa Fe. Woodman09 seems to be recommended on the forum.

3. Never loose your senses by drinking too much. I only drink water in the clubs.

4. If you are really paranoid, then take taxi to Troya and take taxi out of Troya and never walk on the streets.

I personally followed rules 1,2 and 3 for my first trips to Santa Fe.

KangarooTed
06-04-19, 22:00
It also depends what you look like. If you look weak and dumb gringo who doesn't know what he is doing, you are going to be a target. I for one didn't have any problem in Santa Fe and felt safe but few weeks ago an Asian guy from this forum was robbed of his iPhone X.

My advice would be, fuck statistics because it depends on the individual.Yes, that's what I said.

The statistics aren't relevant to the poster, but if he wants to make himself one, all he has to do is wave his iPhone around like the other guy.

Blue Touch
06-05-19, 00:23
Although I'm amazed by your deep knowledge and the recommendations nobody could ever offer, I just want stats.


It also depends what you look like. If you look weak and dumb gringo who doesn't know what he is doing, you are going to be a target. I for one didn't have any problem in Santa Fe and felt safe but few weeks ago an Asian guy from this forum was robbed of his iPhone X.

My advice would be, fuck statistics because it depends on the individual. If you look like a tough Latino you won't be messed with. But if you are really dumb you can be robbed in El Poblado too.

My advice:

1. Have the mindset of "Glass is already broken" I. E "You are going to be robbed" so keep your cards and iPhone at room and only take minimum cash and a cheap phone to Santa Fe.

2. Take help of a senior member on this forum for first few trips to Santa Fe. Woodman09 seems to be recommended on the forum..

JjBee62
06-05-19, 00:30
I am looking for robbery rates in Santa Fe district and in Chapinero vs. Those in El Centro and other districts in Medellin. If you know credible figures, please let me know. No thanks for the city-wide rates. They are at everywhere. Thanks.Rates? I'm pretty sure the ladrones in both Santa Fe and El Centro, offer their service free of any surcharges. If one of them tries to charge you extra for robbing you, I'd refuse the service and look for a different thief.

Riina
06-05-19, 01:56
It depends entirely on you behaviour.Yep, all in your behavior. That's why hipsters and non profit workers can rent and live in sketchy hoods and never have a problem.

KilledSoul
06-06-19, 05:47
Rates? I'm pretty sure the ladrones in both Santa Fe and El Centro, offer their service free of any surcharges. If one of them tries to charge you extra for robbing you, I'd refuse the service and look for a different thief.Agree with you. My standard rate is an iPhone X. I refuse the service if they want my credit card too.

Blue Touch
06-14-19, 21:25
What are the criteria in selecting stupid posts? What quality makes you most eligible person to determine if posts are stupid or not? Thank you.


Thread Starter.

JjBee62
06-15-19, 15:14
What are the criteria in selecting stupid posts? What quality makes you most eligible person to determine if posts are stupid or not? Thank you.1. Ownership. Their board, their rules, their decisions. They decide based upon what they think is best for the board. Not everyone will agree, but it's a private business, not a democracy. We don't get to vote on it.

2. Experience. They sort through 100's of stupid posts every day and need to decide which ones to block, which ones to comment on and which ones to move to a thread like this one.

Blue Touch
06-30-19, 23:13
Almost every bloc and every 10 mnts you walk at Botero or P Bolivar, idiots will bother or mess with you if you are Asian. They do to you things they don't do to white gringos. They yell at you "Chino", try to grab your arm, make slanted eyes to you, say "Chin Chon Chan" (they mean to pretend speaking Chinese), want to start a fight with you, etc. They think its funny and they think that will make them better than you. If you walk with white persons, these pathetic don't do these to you. Some Asians told me that its because of these idiots, rather than crime, its not worth spending time in Centro. Majority of Colombians, specially those in low strata, are racist and sexist, and just like other racists in general, they don't know that they are.


Thank you everyone for taking time out of your day to answer these questions. A few remarks I have after reading your comments:

1. I am not a drinker what-so-ever, much much more of a fanatic for la crippa. Does anyone have experience scoring grade-A product? I have zero interest in trying to get any Miley-Cyrus out there just not a fan of anything that makes you alert and edgy, that is what work is for not your leisure at least my IMO and I am well aware of the dangers of associating myself with narco-traffico. What am talking about right here is more about the love of the mean mean green. .

JjBee62
07-01-19, 12:19
Almost every bloc and every 10 mnts you walk at Botero or P Bolivar, idiots will bother or mess with you if you are Asian. They do to you things they don't do to white gringos. They yell at you "Chino", try to grab your arm, make slanted eyes to you, say "Chin Chon Chan" (they mean to pretend speaking Chinese), want to start a fight with you, etc. They think its funny and they think that will make them better than you. If you walk with white persons, these pathetic don't do these to you. Some Asians told me that its because of these idiots, rather than crime, its not worth spending time in Centro. Majority of Colombians, specially those in low strata, are racist and sexist, and just like other racists in general, they don't know that they are.I'm going to nominate this post for this year's "Complete Bullshit Award."

Seriously? That's a load of garbage. I was fortunate enough to meet and hang out with a few different guys with Asian heritage. All of them spent at least some time in El Centro. Not one of them mentioned anything like that, or showed any hesitation to visit El Centro. I've also seen dozens of Asian tourists in Plaza Botero, since I enjoy sitting there and people watching.

Majority of Colombians, especially low estrato Colombians, don't give half a fuck about race. All of the conversations I have had with Colombians showed they couldn't understand why the US is so hung up on race.

The Tall Man
07-01-19, 19:06
Almost every bloc and every 10 mnts you walk at Botero or P Bolivar, idiots will bother or mess with you if you are Asian. They do to you things they don't do to white gringos. They yell at you "Chino", try to grab your arm, make slanted eyes to you, say "Chin Chon Chan" (they mean to pretend speaking Chinese), want to start a fight with you, etc. They think its funny and they think that will make them better than you. If you walk with white persons, these pathetic don't do these to you. Some Asians told me that its because of these idiots, rather than crime, its not worth spending time in Centro. Majority of Colombians, specially those in low strata, are racist and sexist, and just like other racists in general, they don't know that they are.

I'm going to nominate this post for this year's "Complete Bullshit Award."

Seriously? That's a load of garbage. I was fortunate enough to meet and hang out with a few different guys with Asian heritage. All of them spent at least some time in El Centro. Not one of them mentioned anything like that, or showed any hesitation to visit El Centro. I've also seen dozens of Asian tourists in Plaza Botero, since I enjoy sitting there and people watching.

Majority of Colombians, especially low estrato Colombians, don't give half a fuck about race. All of the conversations I have had with Colombians showed they couldn't understand why the US is so hung up on race.Yes my observations are the same and I have spent considerable time in both Medellin and Bogota, the average even barrio brat cares little about race and I have never seen any ill will nor poking fun of countless chinos I have seen and some of whom befriended anywhere in Colombia.

The Tall Man.

Blue Touch
07-02-19, 05:42
First of all I did not write about Bogota. Secondly, thank you for your opinion. I don't call your opinion garbage but I disagree with it. Your opinion was based on the second hand info rather than a direct observation or experiments. What makes you so emotional? You are welcome to call my response garbage again, if that will solve your anger. Thanks.


I'm going to nominate this post for this year's "Complete Bullshit Award."

Seriously? That's a load of garbage. I was fortunate enough to meet and hang out with a few different guys with Asian heritage. All of them spent at least some time in El Centro. Not one of them mentioned anything like that, or showed any hesitation to visit El Centro. I've also seen dozens of Asian tourists in Plaza Botero, since I enjoy sitting there and people watching.

Majority of Colombians, especially low estrato Colombians, don't give half a fuck about race. All of the conversations I have had with Colombians showed they couldn't understand why the US is so hung up on race.

Blue Touch
07-02-19, 05:55
Yes my observations are the same and I have spent considerable time in both Medellin and Bogota, the average even barrio brat cares little about race and I have never seen any ill will nor poking fun of countless chinos I have seen and some of whom befriended anywhere in Colombia.

The Tall Man.Thanks. My observation suggests otherwise. I will keep studying it.

JjBee62
07-03-19, 04:02
First of all I did not write about Bogota. Secondly, thank you for your opinion. I don't call your opinion garbage but I disagree with it. Your opinion was based on the second hand info rather than a direct observation or experiments. What makes you so emotional? You are welcome to call my response garbage again, if that will solve your anger. Thanks.First of all, the admins moved it to this thread. I had no input on that. Secondly, I call your opinion garbage because it's garbage. If it had any validity whatsoever, I wouldn't call it garbage. Develop better opinions.

My opinion was based on around 400 hours spent in El Centro, over about 5 months. I was there at all times between 9 am and 11 pm. The few times I was there after 11 pm I taxied in and out, so my opportunity to observe anything on the street was limited.

Granted, I did not directly observe anyone behaving in the manner you described. Nor did I hear of anyone behaving in that way towards any Asians. In fact, other than a couple of hookers along Veracruz that tried to grab onto me, and one hooker that succeeded in grabbing a guy I was walking with, I didn't see any gringo, white, black or Asian accosted in any way remotely close to what you say happens constantly.

I get emotional because I have a low tolerance for incompetence. I have no patience with people who, for whatever reason, spread complete bullshit.

Balboa
07-03-19, 19:19
I get emotional because I have a low tolerance for incompetence. I have no patience with people who, for whatever reason, spread complete bullshit.I've been hangin in Colombia / Medellin for over 20 years now.

As a generalization, the humble Colombianos could care less about race, skin color, etc.

They truly have bigger problems and concerns.

When I've encountered any type of racism, it was from the occasional snooty look from some of the more aristocratic types in the more affluent areas, as I enjoy the company of the morenas, and beautiful chocolate latinas, and I'm a light skin guy.

Obviously I've never walked in this Asian poster's shoes, however, I'd be be surprised to actually see la gente in el Centro treating him poorly because of his race.

To be honest, the most I ever hear about an Asian guy is when they've called a few of my Asian buddies, "Chino lindo", however, it was definitely endearing.

The poster may have been having a bad and unlucky day, because I can't imagine why anyone would make that stuff up.

Like I said, I've never walked in his shoes.

Mr Enternational
07-03-19, 20:57
LOL. A buddy of mine that I met from this board is Asian American. None of that shit happened to him in Medellin. Same with a Filipino buddy that I work with. They were just like anybody else there. Hilarious.

Bango Cheito
07-05-19, 09:32
LOL. A buddy of mine that I met from this board is Asian American. None of that shit happened to him in Medellin. Same with a Filipino buddy that I work with. They were just like anybody else there. Hilarious.There seems to be a rash of bad advice on here. Take taxis instead of Uber? Don't get a Schwab account?

JjBee62
07-05-19, 14:46
There seems to be a rash of bad advice on here. Take taxis instead of Uber? Don't get a Schwab account?Personally I prefer the Transmilenio in Bogota or the Metro in Medellin over taxis and Uber. I'm okay with the crowding, there's always plenty of eye candy, and I get where I'm going quickly and cheaply, although the Transmilenio is definitely a bumpy ride.

I've had too many Uber drivers get 3 blocks away and then cancel. Had a few taxis in Medellin who hadn't reset the meter and a few where the meter ended up higher than it should have been. In each case it cost me less than 3 k and taught me to pay more attention.

If you're a frequent traveler, getting a Schwab or similar account that refunds all ATM fees, is a smart move. If you only travel occasionally, rarely withdraw cash from ATMs and want the simplicity and service of a local bank, then it might not be worthwhile.

Blue Touch
07-05-19, 15:07
That's a very through social research with objective measurements and analysis. Thanks.


LOL. A buddy of mine that I met from this board is Asian American. None of that shit happened to him in Medellin. Same with a Filipino buddy that I work with. They were just like anybody else there. Hilarious.

Mr Enternational
07-05-19, 16:15
There seems to be a rash of bad advice on here. Take taxis instead of Uber? Don't get a Schwab account?I have enjoyed some of the OP's reports before. Then when he said his friend got robbed and they went to the bar and demanded to see the cameras I thought it was a stretch. Now with this ching chong shit, I am starting to believe someone hacked into his account. I could not imagine someone walking down any street in Colombia and being taunted like that. Sounds like something from a bad 80s movie.

Blue Touch
07-05-19, 16:53
Imagine Asian or African guys insisting that they know the experience of being caucasians and their knowledge is better than the Caucasians' knowledge on the subject.

The issue is about a study if an alleged social phenomenon exists or not, rather than advocating or discouraging something. So, perhaps the issue needs to be studied with relevant indicators and methods without bias, and without angry denial, predetermination, mob-rule or retaliation?

JjBee62
08-21-19, 12:10
Again some impeccable logic from Mr E.

After a lot of travelling, I have concluded that the differences in thinking / feeling between people from different countries aren't nearly as big as the differences between men and women. And as far as culture goes, differences between countries are less significant than differences between social classes within countries. If you are middle class, you are more likely to have a successful LTR with a middle class Colombian than with someone who is working class from your own country. And if you're liberal, you'll have more thinking in common with a Colombian liberal than with a conservative from your own country.

I am now seeing a Venezuelan girl from an impoverished middle class family. I started talking to her on SA last year. A large number of girls cannot hold a conversation beyond: "Hola amor, como ests? But this one I could talk to. Her spanish spelling is better than mine, which cannot be said for many of the girls I chat to. She was at home in VZ with no options in life, but recently made it out to Bogot. So I took a risk and sent her money to take a bus and come and stay with me for a week, sight unseen. .All I can say is "good luck." Hopefully at some point in the future I won't be saying "I told you so."

Mr. E's logic is impeccable, for Me. E's situation. His girlfriends are temps. When he's in a city where he has one, he spends time with that one. Neither has to adapt, because each visit is a honeymoon. If one starts being a pain in the ass, he just moves on. He knows he can replace her at any time. There's no long term commitment. Let me know if I'm wrong.

Much of what you say is true. Economic strata, as well as political and religious views are areas of difficulty. However, in a domestic situation those issues are obvious before any relationship begins. You're mostly exposed to a dating pool from your economic level. If you're religious, you are around women from your religion. You'll normally be at odds with women who hold opposing political views. There are natural filters to steer you.

However, this isn't a domestic situation. You met the girl from SA. Seeking Arrangements. Last year. You were looking for P4P. For several months, at least 8, she's been on SA, and you're the first one she has connected with? I'm just a skeptic.

So I'll ask the hard questions. She was apparently able to survive, without ever doing P4P, for the better part of a year. Not only that, she was able to do well enough to relocate to Bogota, all through an acceptable, non-P4P, source of income. Why would she now need money, from you, to survive on? Was she only being paid to be a virgin and fucking you got her fired?

How did she get on SA in the first place? I could understand Latin American Cupid. That's a mostly honest dating site. But SA? It's pretty clear that it's set up for women looking for men who will pay them for companionship. She's intelligent and well educated, but couldn't figure out SA is for P4P? And not one guy messaged her and brought up the subject of money for sex?

What woman is going to hop on a bus to go spend a week with someone she's never met, without understanding that sex is the only reason the guy is bringing her to him? How does she justify leaving whatever she's doing to support herself, unless she sees a chance to improve her situation?

Where does culture come into play? You spent a week with her, in a hotel or apartment, in a city foreign to both of you. And you're convinced that you've found the love of your life, who is at least 30 years younger than you.

You had a short term relationship that was centered around sex. Cultural differences never came into play. Wait until you take her back to the US and everyone starts whispering behind her back. Wait until your friends start trying to fuck her when you're not around, because they figure if she'll fuck you, she'll fuck them. Wait until you both have to endure the looks of disgust from everyone. Wait until she comes home crying, because some redneck in Walmart told her to go back to her country.

Or are you planning to move to Colombia? That would be the best bet, but not without difficulty.

Unless you're considering one of those 2 options, you're not getting into a long term relationship. You're buying a time share. You sleep there 2 weeks, or 2 months a year. Except you're paying for the bed all year round and you're convinced that bed will be empty whenever you're not in it.

How much will you pay? $300 per month? $500? More? What happens when she needs another $300 or $500 because she's sick, her phone is broken, her brother got arrested. What happens when you see her picture on here from some guy bragging about the hot Venezuelan who had never done P4P before?

It's your money. How you spend it is your business. I'm just saying Caveat Emptor.

Arcangel
08-22-19, 13:04
Jjbee, you're welcome to be a skeptic. I value your comments, you are one of the most consistently knowledgeable, helpful and sensible contributors to this forum. And you're welcome to say "I told you so" in the future, but what exactly is it you're telling me?

I think you are making a number of assumptions which are incorrect.

I'm not saying I'm about to marry this girl. I don't know how this relationship will develop or how long it will last, but I'm giving it a chance and enjoying it while it lasts. If she starts being a pain in the ass, I can move on. I know I can replace her at any time. But who knows, if she develops into a keeper, so much the better.


You met the girl from SA. Seeking Arrangements. Last year. You were looking for P4P.
How did she get on SA in the first place? I could understand Latin American Cupid. That's a mostly honest dating site. But SA? It's pretty clear that it's set up for women looking for men who will pay them for companionship. She's intelligent and well educated, but couldn't figure out SA is for P4P? It depends on your definition of P4 P. Some guys may argue that marriage is a P4 P contract. I take it to mean a deal where any payment due is settled in full the same day.

When I'm looking for P4 P I go to a casa and pay 50 k, or I look for a freelancer on mileroticos. I use SA as a dating site which is full of young women looking for older men. I think SA is just as honest as any other dating site, there's nothing dishonest about older men having more money than young women.

On any dating site it is clear that sex is on the cards. On SA there is also the expectation that the guy will provide material support in some form. But that doesn't necessarily make it P4 P, rather it is to some extent the norm in most societies, including latin america. Maybe in the US people see SA as more simply P4 P.

What those women on SA in Colombia and Venezuela are looking for varies. A few are looking for something like a committed relationship. I had one of those, until recently when she got very upset when I said I was meeting someone new. More girls want open relationships or occasional dates with remuneration, gifts or support. Many, I guess, are just testing the waters. Do you have any experience on SA are are talking about your assumptions?


And not one guy messaged her and brought up the subject of money for sex?Of course she received many messages from guys crudely asking for sex. It turned her off. It's not that she didn't want sex, but not with some random guy who she cannot relate to and who may well disappear the next day. She wasn't yet at the stage where she had to sell her pussy to the highest bidder.


She was apparently able to survive, without ever doing P4P, for the better part of a year. Believe it or not, most Venezuelans survive without ever doing P4 P. It doesn't take much to survive when you're living with your parents and have no children. Most venezuelans in P4 P I have talked do it to support their kids and / or grandmother.


Not only that, she was able to do well enough to relocate to Bogota, all through an acceptable, non-P4P, source of income. Many Venezolanos manage to reach Bogota with nothing, walking much of the way. She sold some prized posessions and made the trip with a few dollars in her pocket and hitchhiking on trucks.


Why would she now need money, from you, to survive on? She would survive somehow without me. But I don't want her to fall too low, I bought her some clothes to look pretty, she arrived in Bogota with very little. I want to share some of my material good fortune with a good-hearted person who improves my quality of life.


What woman is going to hop on a bus to go spend a week with someone she's never met, without understanding that sex is the only reason the guy is bringing her to him? How does she justify leaving whatever she's doing to support herself, unless she sees a chance to improve her situation?We both understood implicitly that sex was going to happen. But sex wasn't the ONLY reason, I can have that much more easily in Colombia. I think we both were romantic enough to want to try and make an online relationship real. She wasn't doing anything to support herself, and obviously seeing me was a chance to improve her situation, not only materially but emotionally, too.


You spent a week with her, in a hotel or apartment, in a city foreign to both of you. And you're convinced that you've found the love of your life, who is at least 30 years younger than you.
Or are you planning to move to Colombia? That would be the best bet, but not without difficulty.I never said I've found the love of my life. I found a good person who wants to be my girlfriend. We spent a week in a city I know well having spent a number of months there over recent years. And I now have an apartment there where I live part time. I will be back soon.


Wait until you take her back to the US I have no intention to take her to the USA. I have no intention to go there myself, it is not a country I am interested in visiting, let alone live in. The last time I was there was in the year 2000. Since then it has got steadily more paranoid and antagonistic against the world. I do not want to talk to any US immigration agent or any redneck in Walmart, I don't want to get shot by the police or by a mass shooter. I don't want to be around people who've been feeding the biggest troll until he got to live in the White House from where he antagonises everybody in the free world and talks lovingly to autocrats. Now, I know that the USA is a country with much natural beauty and many many good people. And so is Iran, Venezuela or Russia, but I'm not going there either. (\rant).

But I do want to take her travelling. The problem with most other girls is that they have commitments like work or children, or they charge by the hour or by the day. They have a life and they need me to add some cash to their life. This girl is free of commitments and she wants to spend her time with me.


Wait until you both have to endure the looks of disgust from everyone. I am aware of how we look together when we're out. I guess nowadays it's more acceptable for homosexual couples to be out in public than for heterosexuals with a big age difference. Well, in Colombia it's probably the other way around and I've not noticed any looks of disgust. But it's all legal between consenting adults, so let them think what they will. Anyway, I am always respecful and modest.


What happens when you see her picture on here from some guy bragging about the hot Venezuelan who had never done P4P before?I think I can tell an honest person from a hustler after talking together enough. Now, I'm not perfect but I trust myself enough to take the occasional risk in life. But what makes you think that a girl who sleeps with a man 30 years her senior must be a prostitute? Do you think it's impossible for feelings to exist in this constellation? Do you believe that relationships between men and women are possible at all?

I recently met a Colombian friend of a friend with his girlfriend. He looks around 30, she looks around 60. I don't know what it is that creates a bond between them, but if they're both happy, more power to them.


How much will you pay? Remains to be seen, so that everyone is happy. If I come to a point where I feel that she's not worth it to me, I can cut her loose. My risk exposure is very low. I cannot imagine any worst case scenario, like having to pay for a major operation (in Colombia, not USA! That would impact my financial wellbeing in any significant way.

The most serious consquence imaginable would be pregnancy, birth, child support, inheritance. So the plan is birthcontrol followed by TLN DFK BBFS CIP.


It's your money. How you spend it is your business. Yes, and it's not that much money, she is low maintenance and doesn't ask for anything much other than my attention and hugs and kisses. I spend more on my "things" but her attention gives me more happiness than things. I could have a Ferrari but I'd rather have her, and for the price of one Ferrari I could have her 100 times.

Mr Enternational
08-22-19, 15:45
Mr. E's logic is impeccable, for Me. E's situation. His girlfriends are temps. When he's in a city where he has one, he spends time with that one. Neither has to adapt, because each visit is a honeymoon. If one starts being a pain in the ass, he just moves on. He knows he can replace her at any time. There's no long term commitment. Let me know if I'm wrong.I would not say they are temps, because many I have been dealing with for years. But it is nothing for me to cut them off. And they can replace me at any time as well. I just enjoy people while they are around. Yesterday I was fucking a chick in Brazil and she asked me to marry her while we were fucking. I told her I was not getting married to anybody.

Last October I had brought one of my girlfriends in Bogota some bluetooth headphones. We had gotten back from a trip to Villa de Leyva and she went to sleep. When she is sleeping I am quiet as a mouse. She gets up the next morning and puts on her headphones and is dancing all around and singing all loud while I am trying to sleep. So I wake up and make a business call. She continued singing all loud. I said shhhh trying to get her to quiet down. She sat on the bed and pouted. When I hung up she gave me the 3rd degree saying her dad does not even tell her to be quiet and if I do it again she will just go home. I said don't do me any favors; you can just go now. She didn't go so I went and took a shower and packed my things up and told her to turn in the key as I walked out the door. You don't fucking threaten me. Since then she has apologized and when I was in Bogota last month she came by and we went to eat and stuff.

Most chicks know that I have other chicks although I will never admit to it. I will just say something like tell me her name since you know so much. No evidence, no charge. Hell, even when there is evidence there is no charge. I will be home in Thailand and riding with some chick on my bike and one of my other chicks will send me a message talking about they saw me with some lady. I will say well why didn't you say Hello, then? Then the next day I will be going to stay over that chick's house.

One funny story. Last year I had been dealing with one chick for about a year. I was fooling around on Tinder and met another chick that works at a massage parlor and started fucking her. She said it would be her birthday soon. One night the first chick told me she was going to her friend's birthday party at a disco. Later on she sent me a picture of her partying with her friend. Well it kind of looked like the second girl, but I could not be sure. So I asked if her friend works at the mall with her. She said no, she does massage. I said yeah I know. She was like how do you know? I said I know her. Then she told me that the second girl had to leave because her boyfriend from Dubai or some damn where was going to call. The second chick found out that I was messing with the first chick and tried to cut it off even though she never told me she had a boyfriend. I said we are not cutting anything off. The first girl had already told me it was fine by her for me to mess with her friend too as long as I was happy. The second girl promised that she would not see me again and I told her that we would see about that. Next thing I know she is asking when we are going to the beach and coming to spend the night. To this day I can still call either one of them when I want to see them. And all these are just normal free chicks.

JjBee62
08-22-19, 17:02
I would not say they are temps, because many I have been dealing with for years. But it is nothing for me to cut them off. And they can replace me at any time as well. I just enjoy people while they are around. Yesterday I was fucking a chick in Brazil and she asked me to marry her while we were fucking. I told her I was not getting married to anybody.

Last October I had brought one of my girlfriends in Bogota some bluetooth headphones. We had gotten back from a trip to Villa de Leyva and she went to sleep. When she is sleeping I am quiet as a mouse. She gets up the next morning and puts on her headphones and is dancing all around and singing all loud while I am trying to sleep. So I wake up and make a business call. She continued singing all loud. I said shhhh trying to get her to quiet down. She sat on the bed and pouted. When I hung up she gave me the 3rd degree saying her dad does not even tell her to be quiet and if I do it again she will just go home. I said don't do me any favors; you can just go now. She didn't go so I went and took a shower and packed my things up and told her to turn in the key as I walked out the door. You don't fucking threaten me. Since then she has apologized and when I was in Bogota last month she came by and we went to eat and stuff...You realize you just described a "temp. " Someone who is not guaranteed employment, who can be fired, laid off or reassigned at any time, for any reason.

Your posts almost always make me smile. I spent about 10 years living that life, just on a smaller scale. I had a girl into S and M in New York, a swinger in Phoenix, an anal party girl in Denver, a foot fetish girl in Dallas and a public sex chick in Eugene, Oregon. Wherever else I went, I could usually find someone. All free, many would cook me dinner. Some were just dates, dinner or a movie. Some started as dates but ended in bed. Some were nothing but sex.

Spent a 3 day weekend in a beachfront suite in Virginia Beach with a girl from Kentucky. Her boyfriend had rented the room, but couldn't get there until Tuesday. My best run was 6 girls in 5 states over 7 days.

All of them knew I wasn't available. Almost all of them knew they weren't the only one. It was fun at the time. There were a couple, looking back, that I wish I'd made a commitment to.

Arcangel
08-24-19, 14:02
The only thing that Venezuelan girl is loving is the money.What you're saying then is that my girl is no different from Melania Trump.

For those not too familiar with US popular culture: Melania Trump is a minor character in a reality TV drama that is shown daily on all channels in the US. The lead character is modelled closely on Hugo Chavez: he presents himself as the leader of a patriotic revolutionary movement, says his country has been treated badly but he will put it first, make it great and help the ordinary man. He polarizes the country, makes it turn in on itself so that he becomes stonger amid the division, disfunctionality and infighting. He thinks his mission is more important than the constitution and democracy, he only believes in elections where he wins. His followers attend raucous rallies where they adore him like the Messiah, many of them have guns and will use them to terrorize ordinary people. Unfortunately, his understanding of economics is badly flawed and his confrontational policies are doing serious damage. Blinded by his ideology, he blames all problems on other people. Because of inertia, short-termist policies, and the existing riches of the country, the economy seems to be booming for the first few years of his reign, but then things start going south.

Tune in again next week for the latest installment. Or for spoilers tune into news from Venezuela.

JjBee62
08-24-19, 14:20
What you're saying then is that my girl is no different from Melania Trump.

For those not too familiar with US popular culture: Melania Trump is a minor character in a reality TV drama that is shown daily on all channels in the US. The lead character is modelled closely on Hugo Chavez: he presents himself as the leader of a patriotic revolutionary movement, says his country has been treated badly but he will put it first, make it great and help the ordinary man. He polarizes the country, makes it turn in on itself so that he becomes stonger amid the division, disfunctionality and infighting. He thinks his mission is more important than the constitution and democracy, he only believes in elections where he wins. His followers attend raucous rallies where they adore him like the Messiah, many of them have guns and will use them to terrorize ordinary people. Unfortunately, his understanding of economics is badly flawed and his confrontational policies are doing serious damage. Blinded by his ideology, he blames all problems on other people. Because of inertia, short-termist policies, and the existing riches of the country, the economy seems to be booming for the first few years of his reign, but then things start going south.

Tune in again next week for the latest installment. Or for spoilers tune into news from Venezuela.Maybe you're absolutely right about your Venezuelan girl. I hope so. You pretty much nailed the current US situation.

Rather than go through a lot of explanations, I will just recommend that you keep a touch of skepticism. When these affairs fall apart the financial damage is the least of the problems.

BTW. Expect to get several nasty responses. A significant percentage of mongers are Trump fans.

Elvis 2008
08-24-19, 16:36
Remains to be seen, so that everyone is happy. If I come to a point where I feel that she's not worth it to me, I can cut her loose. My risk exposure is very low. I cannot imagine any worst case scenario, like having to pay for a major operation (in Colombia, not USA! That would impact my financial wellbeing in any significant way.

The most serious consquence imaginable would be pregnancy, birth, child support, inheritance. So the plan is birthcontrol followed by TLN DFK BBFS CIP.It is your emotional well being that is at risk AA. I posted my story for you because all the benefits and issues I had with her you seem to have with your Venezuelan as well. You are going to have to turn a deaf ear to the people saying she is in it just for money and you just for sex. It's there whether you or she want to admit it or not, and my gal did have emotional pressure on her from being called a gold digger by friends and family more than I realized. Still, it was a worthwhile experience even if it ended badly.

I think every monger has had his heart broken and paying for it is a way to prevent one's self from being hurt. I hope it works out. Everyone from afar thought what I was doing was crazy, but everyone who met us had a different opinion. I just met a lady whom I didn't bed who says that she won't date anyone under 50, and she is 28. She just likes hanging around older people. She can't stand the conversations she has with people of her own age. There are women who do want older men and not just for the money.

GeneHickman
08-24-19, 17:21
What you're saying then is that my girl is no different from Melania Trump.

For those not too familiar with US popular culture: Melania Trump is a minor character in a reality TV drama that is shown daily on all channels in the US. The lead character is modelled closely on Hugo Chavez: he presents himself as the leader of a patriotic revolutionary movement, says his country has been treated badly but he will put it first, make it great and help the ordinary man. He polarizes the country, makes it turn in on itself so that he becomes stonger amid the division, disfunctionality and infighting. He thinks his mission is more important than the constitution and democracy, he only believes in elections where he wins. His followers attend raucous rallies where they adore him like the Messiah, many of them have guns and will use them to terrorize ordinary people. Unfortunately, his understanding of economics is badly flawed and his confrontational policies are doing serious damage. Blinded by his ideology, he blames all problems on other people. Because of inertia, short-termist policies, and the existing riches of the country, the economy seems to be booming for the first few years of his reign, but then things start going south.

Tune in again next week for the latest installment. Or for spoilers tune into news from Venezuela.Ok, explain me one thing. How is a $500 B trade deficit with China and obvious intellectual property theft and state sponsored industrial espionage helpful near term or long term to the US? Just curious to hear why you believe a continuation of the trade policy of the last 3 x 8 yr = 24 yr is the path forward.

And I am asking this question in a genuinely non partisan way.

Big Boss Man
08-24-19, 23:17
Ok, explain me one thing. How is a $500 B trade deficit with China and obvious intellectual property theft and state sponsored industrial espionage helpful near term or long term to the US? Just curious to hear why you believe a continuation of the trade policy of the last 3 x 8 yr = 24 yr is the path forward.

And I am asking this question in a genuinely non partisan way.I, for one, can only give you a partisan answer. I fundamentally believe that free markets will lead to better outcomes than government-controlled markets. A tariff is a government-intervention in a market, plain and simple.

Free competitive markets are a core liberal tenet. "Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism (free markets), democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech. ".

Trump was writing the same things about Japan in 1987 and I believe he was wrong about the outcome then as he is now. "For decades, Japan and other nations have been taking advantage of the United States," Trump wrote. (See attached).

Combo
08-25-19, 02:35
Maybe you're absolutely right about your Venezuelan girl. I hope so. You pretty much nailed the current US situation.

Rather than go through a lot of explanations, I will just recommend that you keep a touch of skepticism. When these affairs fall apart the financial damage is the least of the problems.

BTW. Expect to get several nasty responses. A significant percentage of mongers are Trump fans.And a significant percentage of mongers are fans of other politicians. Not sure what the point is.


Ok, explain me one thing. How is a $500 B trade deficit with China and obvious intellectual property theft and state sponsored industrial espionage helpful near term or long term to the US? Just curious to hear why you believe a continuation of the trade policy of the last 3 x 8 yr = 24 yr is the path forward.

And I am asking this question in a genuinely non partisan way.I think it's a matter of approach. You may be correct about a problem with our trade with China. But the way Trump has approached it hasn't been sensical. He's let it become an ego match, which isn't going to work with Xi who faces no electoral / political pressure for basically the rest of his life.

GeneHickman
08-25-19, 03:05
I, for one, can only give you a partisan answer. I fundamentally believe that free markets will lead to better outcomes than government-controlled markets. A tariff is a government-intervention in a market, plain and simple.

Free competitive markets are a core liberal tenet. "Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism (free markets), democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech. ".

Trump was writing the same things about Japan in 1987 and I believe he was wrong about the outcome then as he is now. "For decades, Japan and other nations have been taking advantage of the United States," Trump wrote. (See attached).Let me not disagree or agree with you on that philosophy and instead present another angle. Even if you are correct, there is the small matter of national sovereignty and borders, and different forms of government.

The system you espouse works well Within a group of states with similar if not same legal frameworks and democratic tenets. Version 1.0 was the United States, each of the 50 states developed and there were some equalizing mechanisms.

China is a geopolitical rival and a communist state at that. They are an autocratic form of gov't at the end of the day. Their regional activity has not been peaceful, be that rhetoric directed at Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, South China sea etc.

Japan on the other hand is a democracy, and furthermore post WW2 has a pacifist constitution. So completely different kettle of fish. Anyway, I know this is not a board for this, but despite disagreeing on many other things, on this issue, I think Trump has it right. If there was a Democratic transition in China I would be a lot more open about it all.

GeneHickman
08-25-19, 03:12
And a significant percentage of mongers are fans of other politicians. Not sure what the point is.

I think it's a matter of approach. You may be correct about a problem with our trade with China. But the way Trump has approached it hasn't been sensical. He's let it become an ego match, which isn't going to work with Xi who faces no electoral / political pressure for basically the rest of his life.I hate to say it, but I don't think there is any approach that will work with the Chinese communist party. If there was, why didn't the 3 previous presidents do it? US corporate cheiftains have been had, and they and the liberal media which endorsed it, now need someone to blame. Trump provides that perfect excuse. The reality is this "confrontation on trade" should have happened under, Bubba, Dubbya, or under Obama, and all of them passed the buck. Shame on them. The longer it was left to be tackled the tougher the solution was going to be. I know some of y'all can't see any good in what trump does, but on this singular issue he is dead right to be tacking it IMHO. And like I said, I don't see the method as relevant as Xi will not respond irrespective. The may U turn before the recent summer escalation is a case in point.

And finally to end on a mongering point. You all do realize we would have zero chance with these beautiful chicas if there was not a delta in the purchasing power of our currencies right? They are not hanging with us because they find our 60 yr old weenies and 40 inch guts and balding heads sexy. No matter what they tell you! Lol

Mr Enternational
08-25-19, 04:35
And finally to end on a mongering point. You all do realize we would have zero chance with these beautiful chicas if there was not a delta in the purchasing power of our currencies right? They are not hanging with us because they find our 60 yr old weenies and 40 inch guts and balding heads sexy. No matter what they tell you! LolPeople have said that I am nuts for thanking god for poverty and that I am not in it, but I have no problem admitting why my bread is buttered the way it is.

Arcangel
08-25-19, 11:36
You all do realize we would have zero chance with these beautiful chicas if there was not a delta in the purchasing power of our currencies right?And you do realize that Chinese girls wouldn't be assembling your iPhones and everything, for the same reason? The trade deficit is the direct result of this and it has the stabilizing effect of levelling the playing field.

Hugo Chaves thought that his will is stronger than market forces. The troll in the White House is the same. Venezuelans think they don't have to do anything much besides squeezing the juice out of their soil and getting dollars for it. Americans think they can stay rich by filing patents and seeking rent on them.

The thing is, many people in the US have come to believe that when god created the world he made (white) americans as lords and everybody else as servants. They will not accept a levelled playing field and cannot understand that the american century is coming to an end. They think a war is necessary to preserve the status quo. So far it's a trade war.

The USA had a winning streak until 1945 that makes them believe that war is the solution for every major problem. However, in reality wars are not "good and easy to win". In war there are only losers. Look at the state if the British empire in 1945 compared to 1914, after they had "won" two monstrous wars against the upcoming power of the day.

What worries me is that people have short memories and today more and more politicians and their followers are talking like they did before 1914. Saying that they want to make their country great again, and implying that they are happy to sh $t on everybody else to achieve it.

There are plenty of things to rightly criticize about China today or imperial Germany then, but that doesn't mean that war is the best or only way to make the world better.

Gene, please do me a favour and try and put yourself in the shoes of a Chinese.

JjBee62
08-25-19, 13:45
And a significant percentage of mongers are fans of other politicians. Not sure what the point is.Stay tuned to the thread and you may figure it out.

Don't worry, I won't make you work that hard.

In my experience, Trump supporters tend to take any criticism of Trump personally. The responses tend to be a bit emotional.

If the criticism is clearly deserved, they'll invoke "what aboutism. " Trump's infidelity = "what about Clinton?" Trump's immigration policy = "what about Obama?

However, supporters of other politicians, once again, in my experience, tend to be more open to discussion. They are more likely to agree their politician hasn't been perfect. You can debate with this group.

JjBee62
08-25-19, 14:30
China is a geopolitical rival and a communist state at that. They are an autocratic form of gov't at the end of the day. Their regional activity has not been peaceful, be that rhetoric directed at Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, South China sea etc.Has the US regional activity always been peaceful? Asking for Argentina, Nicaragua, Honduras, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela and the Dominican Republic.


Japan on the other hand is a democracy, and furthermore post WW2 has a pacifist constitution. So completely different kettle of fish. Anyway, I know this is not a board for this, but despite disagreeing on many other things, on this issue, I think Trump has it right. If there was a Democratic transition in China I would be a lot more open about it all.Japan didn't have much say in all that. The US occupied Japan from the end of the war until 1952, replaced all government ministers with our puppets and prohibited them from having armed forces. They became our trading partner because they didn't have a choice.

They profited immensely from the arrangement. Having the US pay for their national defense allowed investment in infrastructure.

And, just like China, there were lots of issues with intellectual property theft and counterfeiting of US brands. They almost destroyed the US guitar makers by copying and improving their designs, often at the same factories where they were making guitars for Fender and Gibson. Then there was the entire home electronics industry. And let's not forget the automotive industry.

South Korea has done the same thing. They profit at our expense, but we allow them to do it, because our companies are still profiting from the arrangement.

If you take your technology to another country, because you want to cut your labor costs and boost your stock price, you're accepting those issues. They're figured in to the decision.

What Trump fails to understand is that it all comes back around. In the end the free market balances out. All those Japanese automakers now have factories throughout the US. Not just the car factories, but all the other factories, assembling all the little parts. The jobs we lost came back. The revenue we lost came back.

Madra Bid Dog
08-25-19, 16:27
I've had great success with SA in the US finding young hotties. Latin, even conservative Muslim girls (hijab and all) that go crazy with a romp in bed. I'm Hispanic myself and know the culture but would like to know your experiences with SA in Colombia. I'm not looking for a girlfriend-hell I got plenty in Colombia, I'm just looking for NSA companions for a few days when I'm in town. I mostly travel to Bogota.

GeneHickman
08-25-19, 17:08
And you do realize that Chinese girls wouldn't be assembling your iPhones and everything, for the same reason? The trade deficit is the direct result of this and it has the stabilizing effect of levelling the playing field.

Hugo Chaves thought that his will is stronger than market forces. The troll in the White House is the same. Venezuelans think they don't have to do anything much besides squeezing the juice out of their soil and getting dollars for it. Americans think they can stay rich by filing patents and seeking rent on them.

The thing is, many people in the US have come to believe that when god created the world he made (white) americans as lords and everybody else as servants. They will not accept a levelled playing field and cannot understand that the american century is coming to an end. They think a war is necessary to preserve the status quo. So far it's a trade war.

The USA had a winning streak until 1945 that makes them believe that war is the solution for every major problem. However, in reality wars are not "good and easy to win". In war there are only losers. Look at the state if the British empire in 1945 compared to 1914, after they had "won" two monstrous wars against the upcoming power of the day.

What worries me is that people have short memories and today more and more politicians and their followers are talking like they did before 1914. Saying that they want to make their country great again, and implying that they are happy to sh $t on everybody else to achieve it.

There are plenty of things to rightly criticize about China today or imperial Germany then, but that doesn't mean that war is the best or only way to make the world better.

Gene, please do me a favour and try and put yourself in the shoes of a Chinese.Still doesn't mean the US has to do China any favors by trading with them. Sans access to the US and to a lesser extent the EU market, China would never have been able to rise as quickly. I frankly would have far preferred US corporates outsource their manufacturing to democratic countries whose rise is less concerning to me. And finally I definitely don't agree with your view that innovation should not be rewarded. Its the only way the human race progresses.

The chinese tend to have a greater ability to tolerate an authoritarian regime than most americans and for certain I can.

Big Boss Man
08-25-19, 23:07
When asked by CNN's Brianna Keilar if he would use tariffs to cut a deal with China during his own presidency, Sanders said that he would.

"Yeah of course, it is used in a rational way within the context of a broad, sensible trade policy. It is one tool that is available," he said. "You're looking at somebody, by the way, who helped lead the effort against permanent normal trade relations with China and (North American Free Trade Agreement). ".

If you don't think that Bernie Sanders is a nut case who would lead the United States to ruin, I can't help you.

Big Boss Man
08-25-19, 23:30
This is a term that they used to teach in junior high growing up in California John Birch country.

It means "There is no such thing as a free lunch".

Think of all the things that Trump has promised us are free.

The tax cut would pay for itself based on the Laffer curve. Trump gave Arthur Laffer a Medal of Freedom. Of course, deficits keep risng in a good economy.

The trade war would pay for itself because China pays the tariffs. Even if the China is paying the tariffs, which I don't believe, all the money is being transferred to our farmers who are probably the most competitive in the world. The farmers need free markets not a bailout.

And, of course, the wall. Mexico will pay for the "great big beautiful wall. " I just don't trust the guy. He reminds me of a snake oil salesman.

Combo
08-26-19, 00:07
When asked by CNN's Brianna Keilar if he would use tariffs to cut a deal with China during his own presidency, Sanders said that he would.

"Yeah of course, it is used in a rational way within the context of a broad, sensible trade policy. It is one tool that is available," he said. "You're looking at somebody, by the way, who helped lead the effort against permanent normal trade relations with China and (North American Free Trade Agreement). ".

If you don't think that Bernie Sanders is a nut case who would lead the United States to ruin, I can't help you.IMO the choice between Trump and Sanders / Warren is a god-awful choice.

Anyway probably best to return to discussing chicas.

GeneHickman
08-26-19, 00:08
This is a term that they used to teach in junior high growing up in California John Birch country.

It means "There is no such thing as a free lunch".

Think of all the things that Trump has promised us are free.

The tax cut would pay for itself based on the Laffer curve. Trump gave Arthur Laffer a Medal of Freedom. Of course, deficits keep risng in a good economy.

The trade war would pay for itself because China pays the tariffs. Even if the China is paying the tariffs, which I don't believe, all the money is being transferred to our farmers who are probably the most competitive in the world. The farmers need free markets not a bailout.

And, of course, the wall. Mexico will pay for the "great big beautiful wall. " I just don't trust the guy. He reminds me of a snake oil salesman.US trade deals were championed by the Corporate elites in order to take advantage of the wage arbitrage everyone knows existed and still exists since in the 90's. You see post WW2 Unions and other representatives negotiated stong labour protections and wages, and the elites were not satisfied. They got the best of both worlds, market access and cheap and compliant labour. They ommitted to think about intelectual property theft, weakened US budgets and national trade imbalances. These globalists got a shock with the Trump election and still trying to undo it. FYI I share some of your concerns about Trump as well, but I don't trust the others at all. I think the prior 3 presidents were all corporate stooges.

Combo
08-26-19, 00:57
US trade deals were championed by the Corporate elites in order to take advantage of the wage arbitrage everyone knows existed and still exists since in the 90's. You see post WW2 Unions and other representatives negotiated stong labour protections and wages, and the elites were not satisfied. They got the best of both worlds, market access and cheap and compliant labour. They ommitted to think about intelectual property theft, weakened US budgets and national trade imbalances. These globalists got a shock with the Trump election and still trying to undo it. FYI I share some of your concerns about Trump as well, but I don't trust the others at all. I think the prior 3 presidents were all corporate stooges.Corporate stooges or politicians who saw little political upside to confronting a difficult problem? We've been able to import deflation for almost a quarter of a century now. That's a pleasant thing for the guy in charge.

GeneHickman
08-26-19, 01:13
Corporate stooges or politicians who saw little political upside to confronting a difficult problem? We've been able to import deflation for almost a quarter of a century now. That's a pleasant thing for the guy in charge.Yes sir, all while many categories of workers accounting for a substantial number of people lost their livelihoods and meaning in life and turned into meth and opioid addicts and the ranks of welfare recipients swelled and budget deficits widened. Doesn't sound like a well thought out plan to me. If you already had money sure it was a god send, but that's not most of middle America.

We now have a population that's out for retribution on the capitalistic class, and that's not a good thing. Once again the last 3 were corporate stooges and as you said did the most politically expedient thing.

Not to mention the US bulked up its geo political rival in the process.

JjBee62
08-27-19, 01:26
This is a term that they used to teach in junior high growing up in California John Birch country.

It means "There is no such thing as a free lunch".

Think of all the things that Trump has promised us are free.

The tax cut would pay for itself based on the Laffer curve. Trump gave Arthur Laffer a Medal of Freedom. Of course, deficits keep risng in a good economy.

The trade war would pay for itself because China pays the tariffs. Even if the China is paying the tariffs, which I don't believe, all the money is being transferred to our farmers who are probably the most competitive in the world. The farmers need free markets not a bailout.

And, of course, the wall. Mexico will pay for the "great big beautiful wall. " I just don't trust the guy. He reminds me of a snake oil salesman.It's "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. " Coined by Robert Heinlein in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" in 1966. Author Larry Niven also used it frequently.

Yes. I know it's grammatically incorrect.

No free lunches in Colombia either, but I've found a lot of cheap ones.

JjBee62
08-27-19, 02:22
Let me start by saying, I already know I'm an ass. I call bullshit when I see bullshit and that upsets people who are trying to sell bullshit.


MBD, the stereotypes these guys come up with aren't worth addressing. All women are the same, their families are the same, but stereotype on nationality? That isn't cool.Let's talk about stereotyping. This whole conversation started because you were stereotyping Venezuelans:


Venezuelans are fucked up. They think that they are rich because of their oil reserves, and the world stole from there, so it is okay to steal from others. After Western nations got ripped off, China and Russia moved in and they have gotten ripped off now. Maybe it's not fair to characterize all Venezuelans this way, but I was afraid that I would lose my woman to another man, and I did. I lost her to this stupid Ponzi scheme known as imarketslive or IML, and the guy was this sleaze ball founder, Christopher Terry. It makes Amway look ethical. You don't have to work, just trade currencies. Working is for suckers. That is the socialist way right?

I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word. Maybe that isn't fair but when you grow up in a culture of lies, it is hard to not lie yourself. Then you throw women in the mix and it is even worse. Yes, I think my girl was a narcissist, but how many hot women are normal? I think if I were to get married again it would have to be to an unattractive woman. Don't kid yourself, guys. These women really rarely love you. I literally got this woman out of hell, and this is what she did. Her family swore she was loyal, but in my heart, I think she was fucking around on me.Now, do you think all Venezuelans are fucked up and thieves, or do you think it's unfair to stereotype them? You can't have it both ways.


I can think of five different and easier ways to send money than Western Union. How would anyone know who sent the money and that these hot women are getting money from foreigners who have two (not one and not three) guys with them and the exact role these men play? Hang out at Western Union all day? All over a city?

Kudos to you on scoring big.I can think of 5 different ways to get laid without paying to move a hooker and her entire family to Peru. But that's hardly relevant.

The day after I arrived in Colombia, for what ended up being a 1 year stay, my bank account got hit with a big fraudulent charge. The bank blocked it and cancelled my ATM card. My replacement card got lost twice and it took almost 2 months to get a new card. Since I had consolidated everything prior to the move, my only source of money was to have a relative send it and Western Union was the most convenient option.

I made several trips to Western Union, always with my roommate. She also needed to make several trips to Western Union and I always went with her. There was usually a wait. There was often an attractive, inappropriately attired (for that location), young woman also waiting. These women were usually with 2 young men who did not appear to belong to the local economic strata. They were usually talking. My roommate's Spanish was pretty good, since she's 100% Colombian. After we left she would recount the conversation for me. She thought it was funny because the guys would be mocking the girl's Principe Azul.

It's also reasonably easy to spot a boyfriend when he's got his hand down the back of a girl's pants and is kissing on her neck.

I had another experience. My last full day in Colombia, at the end of that year, I was eating breakfast at a favorite place in Laureles. I'd been chatting with one of the waitresses for about 2 months. She was cute, sweet and Venezuelan. She was also lesbian, but I'm pretty sure I could have bought a date with her, if I had wanted.

As I was eating, she brought over a gringo who needed a translator. He was convinced she was the love he'd been searching for. He had taken her shopping twice. He had eaten at the restaurant several times, but it didn't appear he'd actually gotten her into bed. He had found someone who said he had a job for her. He wanted me to explain that to her. He also wanted to let her know he would be sending her $200 every week so she could take care of herself. He specifically stated Western Union.

The guy was literally gushing and she was clearly embarrassed. He knew almost nothing about her because he spoke no Spanish. He just knew she was pretty and that she smiled at him when he gave her money. After he left she wanted to know how to avoid him. I told her to take the money and whenever he returned tell him she had to return to Venezuela.

I don't have a problem with anyone sending any girl, in any country, money, for any reason. I think it's great. And I'm also certain many of the recipients will show their gratitude. I never claimed that wouldn't happen.

However, that money doesn't buy you loyalty. It doesn't buy you fidelity. It doesn't buy you respect. And it definitely doesn't buy you love.

Elvis 2008
08-28-19, 02:19
Why yes. I think the police would have taken the girl's side if she was Venezuelan. She was the victim of a crime. While not all police are perfect, police tend to take the side of crime victims over criminals.

I have no opinion on your ex, her alleged stalker and the alleged Peruvian police response, since it seems to be impossible to be polite while saying "we don't give a fuck about you."But you don't know any Venezuelans. So you just imagined what I said wasn't true? Why? To make yourself feel better?

Why are you posting stuff when you admit that you don't know any Venezuelans?

I am glad your faith in humanity is such that you think the citizens in neighboring countries aren't fucking over Venezuelans right and left, but if they are, then you are clueless.

As for the police taking the side of a Venezuelan working girl in Colombia over an American government employee, that is a good one. Instead of imagining how the Colombian police would behave, why don't you educate yourself on how they HAVE behaved in the past? Why was the head of the DEA fired /"retired" in 2015? Any clue as to why?

If you are going to have an opinion, at least back it up with some facts. First, you posted that Western Union crap and now this. Nobody wants to read posts that are in a exercise in mental masturbation.

JjBee62
08-28-19, 05:01
But you don't know any Venezuelans. So you just imagined what I said wasn't true? Why? To make yourself feel better?

Why are you posting stuff when you admit that you don't know any Venezuelans?

I am glad your faith in humanity is such that you think the citizens in neighboring countries aren't fucking over Venezuelans right and left, but if they are, then you are clueless.

As for the police taking the side of a Venezuelan working girl in Colombia over an American government employee, that is a good one. Instead of imagining how the Colombian police would behave, why don't you educate yourself on how they HAVE behaved in the past? Why was the head of the DEA fired /"retired" in 2015? Any clue as to why?

If you are going to have an opinion, at least back it up with some facts. First, you posted that Western Union crap and now this. Nobody wants to read posts that are in a exercise in mental masturbation.Do you read English? I'm asking because you either have the memory of a housefly, or your reading comprehension is well below what should be required to advance past 6th grade.

I wrote an extensive, detailed discussion about my experience with one particular Venezuelan. I believe I've written about her 3 or 4 times prior to that discussion. Hell, a few months ago I wrote a detailed description of the differences between the Venezuelan and Colombian cedula. Then I discussed my interactions with another Venezuelan, in just the last few days.

This entire silly confusion came about because I posted that I don't know "All Venezuelans", in response to your "all Venezuelans are fucked up" claim.

Read this part real slow, so there's a tiny chance you'll understand.

Not knowing all Venezuelans does not equal knowing no Venezuelans. Knowing one Venezuelan does not equal knowing all Venezuelans.

After making and defending your claim that "All Venezuelans are fucked up" you went on a pissy little rant that it's unfair to stereotype people. I notice you forgot to quote that bit.

Over the years there have been many posts about "Western Union Novios. " Most of them back up that "Western Union crap" I posted. It's common knowledge amongst frequent mongers and mongering expats in Medellin. A quick forum search will confirm it.

As for your claim about Peruvian police treatment of your girl, I dismissed it, because it's not verifiable. I also dismissed it because you keep referring to the girl as "your girl. " Your story, which you've repeated 3 times, clearly shows she was never your girl. Your judgement isn't trustworthy.

You had a sugar baby. The same thing you say you're looking for now. The SB-SD relationship is God level socialism. You're paying someone to not work, with no means to verify they aren't working and then expect them to work for free with no guarantee they'll work when you want them to. I have nothing against such an arrangement. I have said it many times: your money, your dick, your business. However, it's unfair to romanticize it.

You both never "fell in love" as you've said. You fell in love. She fell into a sweet deal. And that's why I'm still bothering with you.

You're probably a lost cause. You'll repeat the same cycle of confusing employment (or is it unemployment?) with love. However, there are guys out there who lack the experience to separate your fantasy from reality. It's not too late for them.

How you begin a relationship has a major impact on the nature of the relationship. If you meet someone at church, the relationship will be difficult if either stops attending church. If you meet at a bar, giving up drinking will strain the relationship. It's not necessarily the end, but it will need effort to change the basis of the relationship.

If you meet someone through a cash transaction, the basis of the relationship is money. There's always going to be a payer and a payee. Love, if you want to call it that, is dependent upon payment. She may enjoy your company. She may enjoy the sex. She may even develop feelings for you. Heck she might even, one day, call you "mi amor. " However, "Pretty Woman" was just a movie. The day your money runs out is the day your relationship ends. The day she finds a better source of income, your relationship ends.

What makes it worse, if you're in a sugar daddy relationship with a girl in another country, she has plenty of free time to either supplement her income or seek out a sugar daddy who has deeper pockets. Even if she doesn't do either of those things, there are plenty of guys around who will be happy to fuck her in the bed you bought. Do you really believe a girl, who loves sex that much, is going to be celibate for 3 months until you return?

If you want to find a sugar baby, you need to do it with your mind open.

1. She doesn't love you. She won't grow to love you. Instead of a daily rental you're in a long-term lease.

2. She isn't loyal to you. She's a mercenary. Your causes mean nothing to her. She enlisted for the paycheck.

3. Fidelity is something you can buy with a stereo. It's not something you can buy with a girlfriend. If you can't handle that she's getting more dick than a Richard convention when you're away, this is not for you.

4. She knows she has a marketable commodity. It's quite likely to become a publicly traded stock. Unless you're willing to wait a long time, the price can only go up.

5. If you forget any of this, she holds your balls for collateral. When she wants a pay raise, or a bonus (I mean, when she needs money because her grandmother is dying. Again), all she has to do is squeeze. If you're paying for the apartment, she can cost you 50 times more than what it'll cost to give her what she wants.

6. It's over when she decides it's over, which might be 3 weeks before you find out it's over. Meanwhile, the apartment has been emptied and she's still picking up the money you send.

Some people like that sort of relationship. It gives them the fantasy of a real relationship at double the cost for 1/10th the time. As long as you understand the difference between fantasy and reality, go for it.

Elvis 2008
08-28-19, 19:02
Venezuelans have run ins with LE in the neighboring countries every day. What my ex said was hardly unique.

Did you bother to look up what happened to the head of the DEA in 2015 and why? Of course not.

I ask again. Why does Venezuela have more oil than Saudi Arabia but Saudi Arabia is a rich country and Venezuela a poor one? And why would that affect Venezuelans?


You both never "fell in love" as you've said. You fell in love. She fell into a sweet deal. And that's why I'm still bothering with you.

You think you have it all figured out, but you are clueless.

The first year my ex was in Peru, I gave her a whopping $300 a month. All that covered was her rent.

Look at these links https://anfitrionasperu.com/genre/anfitrionas-top/

https://anfitrionasperu.com/genre/anfitrionasa1/.

And what is the going rate for hiring hostesses like this and banging hostesses like these? And do you know if my ex worked as a host? Point is maybe my deal wasn't all that sweet. You just want to believe it was.

Now I get why you dummies were saying if I was afraid of losing her to a guy with more money or a hunk I never had her. My ex was fluent in two languages, had a professional degree, and could be on the cover of a fitness magazine. Any guy not around would be afraid of losing her. What types of women are you all seeing?

As far as why she would be in love, maybe it's because I treated her better than any guy has treated her in her life. People tend to think of you in a positive light when you get them and their loved ones out of fucking hell and put them in a position to do well.

Everything you posted below is just more sheer mental masturbation. A guy just posted how he sent a woman money, and it worked out great for him. So maybe the problem isn't all the women you rant about below. Maybe the problem YOU have had with women is just you being, in your own words, an ass.


Over the years there have been many posts about "Western Union Novios. " Most of them back up that "Western Union crap" I posted. It's common knowledge amongst frequent mongers and mongering expats in Medellin. A quick forum search will confirm it.

As for your claim about Peruvian police treatment of your girl, I dismissed it, because it's not verifiable. I also dismissed it because you keep referring to the girl as "your girl. " Your story, which you've repeated 3 times, clearly shows she was never your girl. Your judgement isn't trustworthy.

You had a sugar baby. The same thing you say you're looking for now. The SB-SD relationship is God level socialism. You're paying someone to not work, with no means to verify they aren't working and then expect them to work for free with no guarantee they'll work when you want them to. I have nothing against such an arrangement. I have said it many times: your money, your dick, your business. However, it's unfair to romanticize it.

You both never "fell in love" as you've said. You fell in love. She fell into a sweet deal. And that's why I'm still bothering with you.

You're probably a lost cause. You'll repeat the same cycle of confusing employment (or is it unemployment?) with love. However, there are guys out there who lack the experience to separate your fantasy from reality. It's not too late for them.

How you begin a relationship has a major impact on the nature of the relationship. If you meet someone at church, the relationship will be difficult if either stops attending church. If you meet at a bar, giving up drinking will strain the relationship. It's not necessarily the end, but it will need effort to change the basis of the relationship.

If you meet someone through a cash transaction, the basis of the relationship is money. There's always going to be a payer and a payee. Love, if you want to call it that, is dependent upon payment. She may enjoy your company. She may enjoy the sex. She may even develop feelings for you. Heck she might even, one day, call you "mi amor. " However, "Pretty Woman" was just a movie. The day your money runs out is the day your relationship ends. The day she finds a better source of income, your relationship ends.

What makes it worse, if you're in a sugar daddy relationship with a girl in another country, she has plenty of free time to either supplement her income or seek out a sugar daddy who has deeper pockets. Even if she doesn't do either of those things, there are plenty of guys around who will be happy to fuck her in the bed you bought. Do you really believe a girl, who loves sex that much, is going to be celibate for 3 months until you return?

If you want to find a sugar baby, you need to do it with your mind open.

1. She doesn't love you. She won't grow to love you. Instead of a daily rental you're in a long-term lease.

2. She isn't loyal to you. She's a mercenary. Your causes mean nothing to her. She enlisted for the paycheck.

3. Fidelity is something you can buy with a stereo. It's not something you can buy with a girlfriend. If you can't handle that she's getting more dick than a Richard convention when you're away, this is not for you.

4. She knows she has a marketable commodity. It's quite likely to become a publicly traded stock. Unless you're willing to wait a long time, the price can only go up.

5. If you forget any of this, she holds your balls for collateral. When she wants a pay raise, or a bonus (I mean, when she needs money because her grandmother is dying. Again), all she has to do is squeeze. If you're paying for the apartment, she can cost you 50 times more than what it'll cost to give her what she wants.

6. It's over when she decides it's over, which might be 3 weeks before you find out it's over. Meanwhile, the apartment has been emptied and she's still picking up the money you send.

Some people like that sort of relationship. It gives them the fantasy of a real relationship at double the cost for 1/10th the time. As long as you understand the difference between fantasy and reality, go for it.

Big Boss Man
08-30-19, 19:03
It's "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. " Coined by Robert Heinlein in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" in 1966. Author Larry Niven also used it frequently.

Yes. I know it's grammatically incorrect.

No free lunches in Colombia either, but I've found a lot of cheap ones.I find this interesting because the class where I learned it was in 1966-67. That makes a good teacher to take something that he was reading and incorporate it into his lesson plan. In fact, he was a good teacher.

Elvis 2008
09-01-19, 20:34
JJBee, I never bothered reading your experience with one Venezuelan woman because it was so obvious that you were trying to put me down and bring yourself up. It was like you were saying that you had a great experience with a Venezuelan woman, and the fact that I had a poor one meant that I was a hopeless Romantic.

But I finally read it. The truth is that your experience was practically identical to mine except the good part of my relationship lasted 18 months, and chances are the woman I was with was way better looking. I have attached two pics of her. These pics were of her in Venezuela and with a better diet, clothes, and workout equipment, in Peru she looked even better than she did.

When you mentioned that you thought the average Colombian and Venezuelan had similar experiences, it was at that point I realized that you were clueless as to what is and was going on.

Why is that? Almost all wealth in Venezuela comes from oil. Chavez came in at a time when there were record low oil prices. One of Chavez's first actions was to fire half the people, the ones he felt disloyal to him at PVDSA, the national oil company, and he put in his cronies. Normally, such a move would have been a disaster but due to the nature of oil production and the quadrupling of oil prices, Venezuela was swimming in money. Chavez then used said money to buy off the poor who in turn voted for him and loved him. When production or oil prices started slipping, Chavez nationalized item after item and gave his incompetent cronies control of the seized companies. He demonized wealth and capitalism all while he and his cronies stuffed their pockets full of money and these corrupt government thieves stashed billions in cash in foreign banks.

I went to a shareholder meeting in Venezuela in 2007, when oil was at its peak. The workers and shareholders of the company were openly talking about screwing over the American parent who had built the company from the ground up. Stealing was okay. Your word meant nothing. Treating your citizens ethically was for suckers.

I picked up a Venezuelan stripper and took her to my hotel. She was great in the sack, but for the first time I can ever recall, she wouldn't name me a price. That is how badly Chavez and his anti-greed message had sunk in. Hookers weren't giving out prices.

Price controls had been put in place, and the quality and scarcity of goods, the anti-greed message, and the gross incompetence of corporate and government mismanagement put everyone I met if not in a down right shitty mood then certainly an ambivalent one. Smiles were not seen very often. Colombia was the land of smiles and had a wide variety of high quality, reasonably priced goods.

I met my ex in 2017. I didn't give her money at least the amount wasn't important because you couldn't buy shit in Venezuela anyway. I got her an airplane ticket to Aruba, and we met and went shopping for toiletries, food, and medications. Her father was diabetic and his eyesight was horrible due to high blood sugars as was his need to [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) every hour. Those conditions greatly improved with medication. Her sister's daily debilitating migraines were relieved with medication, and she was able to function and be productive. The sister was later crushed as a 21 year old friend of hers died due to his not being able to get antibiotics.

And you said Colombians and Venezuelans pretty much had it the same? And you made the comparison between this and a Colombian woman who you pay money to? Are you out of your FUCKING mind?

But you JJBee, you thought that you had seen it all before. You actually were so stupid that you compared giving money to a Colombian woman who uses it to buy a 10th pair of shoes the same as giving money to treat a family's debilitating illnesses. You went through this ridiculous rant about renting a woman and how she never loved me even though YOU HAD NO FUCKING CLUE as to what the condition of she and her family were.

So how did the people in Venezuela deal with the poverty? They came together, shared, went to church, prayed, and helped each other out. The material was not important because the government demonized it, and it was not obtainable. Families emphasized their daughters seek out productive men over handsome ones. Anyone who saved money saw their currency stolen from them as the government devalued it by 99%, home prices plummeted, and businesses were seized. Stealing was worthwhile, and saving and investment were wastes of time. All the things that a healthy culture emphasizes to be done were mistakes in Venezuela. It is this aspect of the economy that affected ALL Venezuelans.

So what happens when Venezuelans enter a capitalist country? They are pretty much the same at first as they are feeling things out but being thrown into a different culture changes people as they adjust to a new set of rules. Wealth accumulation is not a pipe dream but obtainable.

In my case, my ex had been trained to listen to her friends and to not listen to the government. When a flashy con man came along and told her that she could have her own money, and her friends who were taking advantage of her in their multilevel marketing (MLM) Ponzi scheme, told her not to be a gold digger and earn money on her own, I didn't have a chance. They told her as you implied that the money I was giving her was being used to control her. They were there every day and I wasn't, and these MLM people put on great shows. My experiences and use of American government statistics showing 99+% of people involved in MLM companies meant nothing to her as her experience had taught her governments weren't meant to be trusted. She lied to me because I was negative on MLMs when she first mentioned them, and she thought that I was preventing her from getting rich, and I was furious at her for lying to me, and that was the cause of our breakup.

When I saw her social media page, she only had handsome men on it but I don't think nor care that she wasn't cheating on me. What bothered me is that by not including me on her page, immigration might deny her a fiance visa. In reality, she was trying to sell people on the glamorous lifestyle that came from buying her product and having a guy who looked like her sugar daddy didn't fit that image.


The one thing I'm certain she won't do is turn into a gold digger.

You completely miss the point. There aren't gold diggers in Venezuela because there is no gold / wealth to be had. When you move a woman into a country where there is gold / wealth, you don't know what she will become or how she will change in order to obtain it.

JjBee62
09-02-19, 12:20
JJBee, I never bothered reading your experience with one Venezuelan woman because it was so obvious that you were trying to put me down and bring yourself up. It was like you were saying that you had a great experience with a Venezuelan woman, and the fact that I had a poor one meant that I was a hopeless Romantic.

But I finally read it. The truth is that your experience was practically identical to mine except the good part of my relationship lasted 18 months, and chances are the woman I was with was way better looking. I have attached two pics of her. These pics were of her in Venezuela and with a better diet, clothes, and workout equipment, in Peru she looked even better than she did.

When you mentioned that you thought the average Colombian and Venezuelan had similar experiences, it was at that point I realized that you were clueless as to what is and was going on..I wrote a long reply to you last week. Covering just about everything you decided that I didn't know. The admins (wisely) decided to block it. They're nice guys who occasionally provide better judgement for me.

My story about one Venezuelan was to illustrate one point:

Don't stereotype.

You stated all Venezuelans are fucked up. You also suggested they are all thieves. No sense in going into your other generalizations in this latest post.

On top of your stereotyping you bitched about people using stereotypes, for reporting frequently observed behavior. Then you go to great lengths to try and justify your continued stereotyping of all Venezuelans.

Pick a side. Either decide that stereotyping is wrong (the only correct answer) or keep trying to convince everyone all Venezuelans are the same.

As for you being a hopeless romantic, read your own posts. You worried about losing her to someone with a better body, or who spent more money. You worried her exclusion of you from social media would keep her from getting a fiance visa. You white knighted yourself over providing supplies and medicine to her family and over moving them out of Venezuela. And you continue to demonstrate that you are not over her yet.

The MLM guy was correct. You were using money to control her. The girl was also right, governments aren't to be trusted. They're like a vicious dog on a chain. The dog can only be trusted up to the strength of the chain.

The Venezuelan I have discussed, in detail, I met November 2017. Which means the good part of our "relationship" has lasted almost 21 months. Except I would never call it a relationship. She's someone I know and enjoy spending time with. She's someone who doesn't exhibit the behaviors you assigned to all Venezuelans. She's also, in my opinion, better looking.


You completely miss the point. There aren't gold diggers in Venezuela because there is no gold / wealth to be had. When you move a woman into a country where there is gold / wealth, you don't know what she will become or how she will change in order to obtain it.No. I didn't miss the point. I don't move women into countries where there is gold or wealth. Ironically, I've moved dozens of women, but all of them paid me for the service and a few of them fucked me as a means of leaving a tip. I'm not interested in putting on tights and a cape and running around shouting "Captain SaveAHoe to the rescue!" Any pictures of me in tights are fake and I was drunk. I either pay women for service provided, or I develop a relationship with them based on mutual respect and interest. Combining the two is a recipe for failure.

My method works for me. The women I pay ask me to see them again, when I'm in town. One of them even insists on introducing me to her friends. The women I've developed friendships with (the only LTR I'm interested in) treat me like a friend. One of them insists I use her apartment when I'm in town. If I want to hang out and discuss anything and everything, I call a friend. If I want to fuck, I call a prepago.

JjBee62
09-02-19, 19:45
In the first, she's the one in white. No tattoos, no piercings, no fake anything. The one in black had a prettier face, but the body was flabby. That pic was from Nov 2017. The other from July 2019.

As I think back I keep remembering other Venezuelans. I never really classified them as Venezuelans, just as I didn't classify this one that way. However, we've recently talked about Venezuela, so it's easy to remember.

One guy was a moderator at a webcam studio. Never got to know him well. Just noticed he did his job and was nice to me. Three more all worked at the same bar. One was the cook and the other 2 waitresses. The cook and I chatted quite a bit. Seemed reasonable.

One waitress was sweet and ditzy. She asked about webcam modeling, so I took her into the women's bathroom and took pictures of her tits. I think her boyfriend talked her into going to Ecuador.

The other claimed to have been a world class dancer. She was rather mercenary. Plastic tits, plastic ass, a whole wardrobe of fake smiles. Rather hardcore pro. I developed a train wreck fascination with her. I just wanted to find out if she lived up to her own hype. I wasn't overly impressed, but it was still an interesting night. She seems to be doing well. She just returned from a trip to Cancun and I'm certain it wasn't at her expense.

Each one was different.

It's much harder to get to know people than to just assign them a label.

Elvis 2008
09-02-19, 22:22
My story about one Venezuelan was to illustrate one point:

Don't stereotype.

You stated all Venezuelans are fucked up. You also suggested they are all thieves. No sense in going into your other generalizations in this latest post.No, I said Venezuelan have endured life changing trauma. They had their currency devalued 99%. They underwent food shortages, hunger, dirty water, frequent power shortages, and saw honest government officials subjected to poverty and crooked ones thrive. When your government leaders steal others blind, it does create a culture where stealing is okay. You blow all this off and say Colombians endured similar trauma which just shows you are clueless.


The MLM guy was correct. You were using money to control her. The girl was also right, governments aren't to be trusted. They're like a vicious dog on a chain. The dog can only be trusted up to the strength of the chain.If I were controlling her with money, then why would I offer to marry her and bring her to the USA Where she would get half my income and could make way more money? The FTC says 99.6% of people who enter MLMs lose money, and the company she was working for themselves has reported similar statistics. But once again, don't let facts get in the way of your absurd judgments.


No. I didn't miss the point. I don't move women into countries where there is gold or wealth.No, you completely missed the point. I said a woman can't be a gold digger in Venezuela because there is no gold to dig, and no one knows how she is going to react when she moves to a country with gold / wealth.


Ironically, I've moved dozens of women..You don't move women and then you do and every time you do, it is awesome. Gee, that was hard to predict.


The women I've developed friendships with (the only LTR I'm interested in) treat me like a friend. If I want to fuck, I call a prepago.And why is that the only LTR you are interested in? Because you had a previous LTR that was traumatic? That underscores my point. Trauma does affect behavior, and every person recently living in Venezuela has been traumatized.

Your behavior is showing you are stereotyping based on sex. You are saying any guy who gets into a LTR with a woman is a sucker, and any woman is the devil. Or maybe we should clarify this: any working woman right? I don't get why working women are okay to have as friends but not as GFs or wives. Because you had a bad experience one time and have seen similar things happen to others?

Or maybe it is because of the circumstances you met in. Right? That is what you were ranting about before. If you meet a woman as a hooker and you pay her, then she will always think of you as a john. Money will be the basis of your relationship. So a woman's and man's individual character don't matter? Who is stereotyping now?

Show me an attractive woman who is not a working girl who will stay with a guy who was initially fit and wealthy and then becomes obese and impoverished because I haven't seen that. Shit, a sizable percentage of women I know have gotten divorced out of boredom. So this whole notion you have of a working woman being the devil and nonworking woman as angel doesn't fit either. Again, YOU are stereotyping!!

The truth of the matter is Jjbee is that you have had bad LTRs, and your opinion of yourself is so high that you think any guy going for them is going to suffer the same fate you do, and you reject anything and anyone who doesn't conform to your opinion. It's not worth my time discussing anything with someone who is as egotistical and factually challenged as you are.

Cm6363
09-03-19, 02:17
In the first, she's the one in white.The one in black is a stunner. Do you have a phone number for her?

Bleble
09-03-19, 03:25
I agree, the one in black is a stunner.


The one in black is a stunner. Do you have a phone number for her?

JjBee62
09-03-19, 06:10
No, I said Venezuelan have endured life changing trauma. They had their currency devalued 99%. They underwent food shortages, hunger, dirty water, frequent power shortages, and saw honest government officials subjected to poverty and crooked ones thrive. When your government leaders steal others blind, it does create a culture where stealing is okay. You blow all this off and say Colombians endured similar trauma which just shows you are clueless.This is a sweet 2 lie combo. First:


Venezuelans are fucked up. They think that they are rich because of their oil reserves, and the world stole from there, so it is okay to steal from others.So, you actually did make the statement that you're now pretending you never made. Second, I said:


The more important question is, what does any of that have to do with the attitudes of all Venezuelans? What does it have to do with their understanding of capitalism? They've been going to the stores to buy their goods their whole life. They've been selling the products they make their whole life. There has never been some magical Venezuelan fairy who pops up and brings people masarepa, beans, rice, eggs and chicken whenever they say "Hail Chavez. " Their lives have been, until the recent problems, almost indistinguishable from the lives of Colombians.As you could see, if you ever pulled your head out of your ass, I never stated that Colombians endured the same trauma. However, I should have added "of equal economic strata. "


If I were controlling her with money, then why would I offer to marry her and bring her to the USA Where she would get half my income and could make way more money? The FTC says 99.6% of people who enter MLMs lose money, and the company she was working for themselves has reported similar statistics. But once again, don't let facts get in the way of your absurd judgments.I can't answer your first question. I don't claim to know why people do the things they do. I can't even figure out why you can't get a single thing right. I can point out that it's extremely unlikely she would get half your income, unless you're a complete idiot who's pussy blind. However, you just showed, again, you were using money to control her: "and could make way more money. ".

For the second point, I don't trust governments. That doesn't mean a government can't collect useful data. It means that placing your trust in any large, self-serving organization isn't a winning strategy. Personally, I agree about MLMs. But trying to salvage a failed relationship with government data didn't work.


No, you completely missed the point. I said a woman can't be a gold digger in Venezuela because there is no gold to dig, and no one knows how she is going to react when she moves to a country with gold / wealth.Just when I think there's a possibility you'll get something right, you fuck it up again. May 2019 Venezuela sold off $570 million from their gold reserves. In addition, in June 2019 Venezuela announced a goal of mining up to 80,000 kilos of gold annually. There's clearly gold in Venezuela.

The woman in question has already moved from a country with gold (Venezuela) to a country with gold (Colombia). She's been in Colombia at least half the time for 2 years. I've seen how she reacts.


You don't move women and then you do and every time you do, it is awesome. Gee, that was hard to predict.This one is simple, especially for someone who claims to know everything about me. For 7 years (1995-2002) I owned my own semi and moved people throughout the US. I handled the domestic portion of worldwide relocations as well as domestic household moves. I was also, at that time, incredibly active online. I met well over 1,000 people, in person, from online connections, from 1991 to 2002. When I met someone online, I remembered where they were from. Whenever I was headed to an area, I'd let whoever was local know. Mostly women would come to meet me. Sometimes for dinner or a movie, sometimes for coffee. Other times they were looking for a more intimate evening. Occasionally one would be planning a move. I'd give them a bargain price. Both parties won.

There were benefits. A woman I helped move from Texas to Florida tipped me $500. Two young women I moved from Tennessee to Florida both tipped me. One with $100 extra and the other by fucking me all night.


And why is that the only LTR you are interested in? Because you had a previous LTR that was traumatic? That underscores my point. Trauma does affect behavior, and every person recently living in Venezuela has been traumatized.Well Dr. Freud. It all began with my mother.

Your batting average is. 000 so far. It wouldn't be so embarrassing if you would stop pointing at the fences before every strikeout.

I've had several LTRs. Only 1 was traumatic, and it wasn't the last one. Most ended because it was time to move on. The traumatic one was bipolar and at the time I didn't realize how bad it would get. Sorry, but it doesn't underscore your point.

The reason why I am no longer interested in LTRs is because I've reached a point in my life where I'm comfortable with myself. I don't need someone to affirm my existence. For me I have the best of both worlds. I can sit down with a woman and enjoy myself without worrying about trying to get her in bed. No more trying to impress anyone. If I want someone in my bed, I pick up my phone. No worry that she'll be offended and no three date rule. When I'm done, Chao.


Your behavior is showing you are stereotyping based on sex. You are saying any guy who gets into a LTR with a woman is a sucker, and any woman is the devil. Or maybe we should clarify this: any working woman right? I don't get why working women are okay to have as friends but not as GFs or wives. Because you had a bad experience one time and have seen similar things happen to others?I bet if I gave you a single brick you could recreate the Parthenon in 5 minutes. You're a master at fabricating something from nothing.

I know a lot of guys who have been in LTRs with the same women for decades. I don't consider them to be suckers. I'm thrilled for them. I don't think every woman is the devil either. Besides the ridiculousness of twisting a plural into a singular, I don't believe in any devil. If anything, I've more often been guilty of idolizing women.

You don't get a lot of things. You don't even get the things you say:


But investing long term in a stripper or in Venezuela / a Venezuelan has been and should be expected to be a disaster.Yet now you wonder why it's a bad idea to make a working girl into a wife.

A LTR needs a lot of things to work. Sure, you can try to marry a hooker, if someone doesn't introduce her to MLM, but that's always going to be an issue. When there's an argument who will bring it up? Where do you stand when a friend learns your wife is a retired prostitute? What happens when you learn your boss is a former customer? These things can be overcome, but it requires 2 exceptional people committed to the relationship. That's difficult when hookers and mongers typically have issues committing to monogamous, relationships. Or are there hoards of monogamous working girls and johns out there that I'm unaware of?


Or maybe it is because of the circumstances you met in. Right? That is what you were ranting about before. If you meet a woman as a hooker and you pay her, then she will always think of you as a john. Money will be the basis of your relationship. So a woman's and man's individual character don't matter? Who is stereotyping now?If you build a house out of wood, you'll have a wooden house. If you want a brick house you need to build it with bricks. If you meet a prostitute as a customer, you've laid the foundation. It's possible to build a relationship, maybe one that will last. However, it's an uphill battle. There are reasons why you visit prostitutes. There are reasons why she is a prostitute. It's not a simple thing for both to change. If her reason for working was money, will she see you as a pay raise? If she's a unicorn who loves sex so much she decided to get paid for it, does she see you as capable of keeping her satisfied?


Show me an attractive woman who is not a working girl who will stay with a guy who was initially fit and wealthy and then becomes obese and impoverished because I haven't seen that. Shit, a sizable percentage of women I know have gotten divorced out of boredom. So this whole notion you have of a working woman being the devil and nonworking woman as angel doesn't fit either. Again, YOU are stereotyping!!Tell me you're a masochist and this might make sense. Otherwise, why would you constantly bend over and say "please sir, spank me again?

Perhaps if you weren't such a boor, all those women wouldn't leave you out of boredom.

There's a reason why your angel / devil construct doesn't work. Nothing I've written has so much as insinuated anything remotely resembling this idiotic fantasy of yours.

I judge individual women based on their actions. Whether they choose to be a nurse or a hooker, an engineer or a porn star, is irrelevant. Those are all just jobs. How they choose to support themselves is less important than why they chose that line of work. I don't judge them based on their nationality, or the color of their skin.

Each one is an individual. The most I will do is use my past experience to compare their behavior.


The truth of the matter is Jjbee is that you have had bad LTRs, and your opinion of yourself is so high that you think any guy going for them is going to suffer the same fate you do, and you reject anything and anyone who doesn't conform to your opinion. It's not worth my time discussing anything with someone who is as egotistical and factually challenged as you are.Have you been getting pegged by Rudy Giuliani? Your "truth" sounds a lot like his "truth is not truth" line.

Overall, my LTRs have been fantastic. Even the bipolar girl was incredible, until the switch flipped. The only real trauma was learning that it wasn't something I could fix.

About 3 years ago, one of those women tracked me down on Facebook. I hadn't seen her for over 30 years. She's got grandkids! And she told me she considers me one of the great loves of her life. Two years ago the daughter of my first wife tracked me down. My ex had recently died. Her daughter said the ex had kept all my old letters, cards and pictures. Heck, even the one that left me to be a sugar baby, hit me up after that fell through and asked how I'd been.

Egotistical? Not really. While I'm the world's greatest at being me, I can't say I'm the best at anything else and not many people are trying to be me.

I don't believe every man seeking an LTR will fail. Although I bet a lot would love to suffer my same date. Never paid alimony or support, never lost a house, never had an expensive divorce, never had an argument where I ended up cursing and screaming. However, did have 2 women who went through my sexual bucket list and checked everything off. Ever been with 4 women without paying any of them? Ever fuck while driving through Alabama at 1 am, going 70 mph with the dome light on? Ever have your girl surprise you with a stripper?

I do believe that it's highly unlikely to create a happy, lasting marriage with a prostitute, or a stripper, porn star, webcam model, or someone in a much higher or lower economic class. Now go ahead and tell me about your successful experience.

JjBee62
09-03-19, 06:13
The one in black is a stunner. Do you have a phone number for her?Sorry, but I don't. Her face was incredible, but she had a bit of a belly pooch. If I was guessing I'd say she'd recently had a baby. I'll look up her name and see if I can find her on Facebook.

JjBee62
09-04-19, 02:51
Sorry, but I don't. Her face was incredible, but she had a bit of a belly pooch. If I was guessing I'd say she'd recently had a baby. I'll look up her name and see if I can find her on Facebook.Dug her name out of the files, but couldn't find her on Facebook. Still have another avenue which may give me results. I did remember that she's a squirter.

Elvis 2008
09-06-19, 22:08
This is a sweet 2 lie combo.Sigh. You don't even get the point. Let's go over it again. Strippers live in an environment where lying is rewarded, where conning people out of money is rewarded, where looking at other people as marks is rewarded, and it changes people such that anyone pursuing a LTR with a stripper is a fool.

The people who lived in Venezuela after Chavez took office have seen a similar thing happen. They have seen lying rewarded and telling the truth be punished. They saw con men thrive and people who tried to do the right thing be punished, and it changed the people living there. It is not nationality based because anyone who left Venezuela prior to Chavez, when Venezuela was the richest country in Latin America, went unaffected.

You get condition one, JJBee, but you are clueless on condition two. You have said JJBee, "Their lives have been, until the recent problems, almost indistinguishable from the lives of Colombians. " I told you why this was wrong and how I had been there. I tried to show how Venezuelan mismanagement of oil resources, the crown jewel of their economy, has made an oppressive, terrible government like Saudi Arabia's shine in comparison. Aramco, the company which owns 100% of the oil resources, is owned by the Saudi government. True, they employ a butt load of Americans there, but they don't steal. In contrast, the Venezuelan government has public-private partnerships with oil companies, and that government is always playing the victim, finger pointing, reneging on deals, and stealing, and it's not limited to just American and Western oil companies, China and Russia have gone in and gotten burned too.

And what did my ex do when we broke up? Played the victim, reneged on a deal, and engaged in finger pointing.

You can accept the stereotype on strippers. Heck, you went so far with stereotyping that you called my ex a working girl when she wasn't one.

It can't be because she was Venezuelan because, and this is the funny part, you don't think things there were that bad. People have been entirely wiped out wealth wise, gone without power for days at a time, and have gone so hungry that they have an average 20 lb weight loss, and your response was,"Ehhh, that is just recent."

JJBee, truth is that you are so in love with your stereotypes of me as hopeless Romantic, her as a working girl, and you as the sage male that has avoided the LTR trap that you have made the most absurd statement of all time: working as a stripper or in prostitution does something to women with LTRs but living in Venezuela does not affect women with LTRs.

In other words, working in a strip club or as a prostitute in a prosperous nation is somehow WORSE than living in Venezuela. All I can say to that, and this is a rhetorical question, is: WTF is wrong with you?

There is nothing else to say. I have an opinion based on facts, experience, studying history, and a two year relationship with this woman, her friends, and her family, and you and others have an opinion based on meeting a few Venezuelans who were cool. There is no way my opinion is going to change, and I doubt yours will either.

JjBee62
09-07-19, 14:34
Sigh. You don't even get the point. Let's go over it again. Strippers live in an environment where lying is rewarded, where conning people out of money is rewarded, where looking at other people as marks is rewarded, and it changes people such that anyone pursuing a LTR with a stripper is a fool.

The people who lived in Venezuela after Chavez took office have seen a similar thing happen. They have seen lying rewarded and telling the truth be punished. They saw con men thrive and people who tried to do the right thing be punished, and it changed the people living there. It is not nationality based because anyone who left Venezuela prior to Chavez, when Venezuela was the richest country in Latin America, went unaffected.

You get condition one, JJBee, but you are clueless on condition two. You have said JJBee, "Their lives have been, until the recent problems, almost indistinguishable from the lives of Colombians. " I told you why this was wrong and how I had been there. I tried to show how Venezuelan mismanagement of oil resources, the crown jewel of their economy, has made an oppressive, terrible government like Saudi Arabia's shine in comparison. Aramco, the company which owns 100% of the oil resources, is owned by the Saudi government. True, they employ a butt load of Americans there, but they don't steal. In contrast, the Venezuelan government has public-private partnerships with oil companies, and that government is always playing the victim, finger pointing, reneging on deals, and stealing, and it's not limited to just American and Western oil companies, China and Russia have gone in and gotten burned too.

And what did my ex do when we broke up? Played the victim, reneged on a deal, and engaged in finger pointing.

You can accept the stereotype on strippers. Heck, you went so far with stereotyping that you called my ex a working girl when she wasn't one.

It can't be because she was Venezuelan because, and this is the funny part, you don't think things there were that bad. People have been entirely wiped out wealth wise, gone without power for days at a time, and have gone so hungry that they have an average 20 lb weight loss, and your response was,"Ehhh, that is just recent.".The irony probably escapes you, but from the very beginning we've been saying the same thing. LTRs with people from vastly different situations from your own are inadvisable and prone to failure.

The only real difference, you want to stamp every Venezuelan with the same mold. In other words, it's a bad idea, but only with Venezuelans, and with every Venezuelan.

While I haven't been to Venezuela, and I'm guessing you haven't been back in the past 2 years, I can appreciate how bad things are. I've never said things aren't bad. You just prefer to create your own story. I'm used to it.

Back on subject, have you been to Colombia? I don't mean the night clubs and massage parlors, nor the restaurants and hotels. I don't even mean the areas like Santa Fe in Bogota. I mean the places where the gringos never go. Have you seen the houses with no windows, dirt floors, no electricity and no running water, where the toilet is a board over a hole in the ground? Or maybe the more upscale places built from scavenged scrap, but tied into City utilities? Have you watched a middle aged woman carrying 50# of groceries up a hill steep enough to give a goat trouble?

You see, economic hard times don't have a huge impact on the lowest economic classes. It just brings a bit, of what they face everyday, up to the middle class. The poorest in every country have it just about the same. Through regime changes, boom times and bust, they just try to survive.

Let's move on to trauma.

All Venezuelans haven't faced the same trauma. Almost all of the ones in the middle, sure. However, most of the people at the top and bottom, are insulated. The top is insulated by money. The bottom is insulated by experience.

Even if every single Venezuelan experienced the exact same trauma, you've forgotten one key point: they are all individuals.

Different people react differently to trauma. Some crumble, some panic, some persevere and some rise above. Venezuela isn't unique, it's just current.

Pardon me for the assumption "your girl" was a working girl. In a previous post you were stating marriage to a working girl was a good idea, and that I was guilty of stereotyping by considering such a union a mistake. Since "your girl" is the only one you've been talking about marrying, I made the assumption.

I was tempted to once again go line by line through your post to point out your errors, but why waste the time? You would simply run away from anything you can't defend, change the narrative and play the victim.

Instead, I'll close with your final paragraph. In it you wallow in logical fallacy. You've designated yourself as the definitive source of knowledge on all things related to Venezuela and Venezuelans, when the discussion has nothing to do with knowledge of Venezuela. The discussion is about whether people, from any group you wish to assign them to, are individuals or carbon copies.

Elvis 2008
09-08-19, 01:04
In it you wallow in logical fallacy. You've designated yourself as the definitive source of knowledge on all things related to Venezuela and Venezuelans, when the discussion has nothing to do with knowledge of Venezuela.Oh no, correcting your ignorance doesn't make me an expert.


The discussion is about whether people, from any group you wish to assign them to, are individuals or carbon copies.LOL. That is exactly what YOU did to me and my ex without knowing any of the details of our relationship. She doesn't love you only money. Blah, blah, blah when she felt horrible about taking money and was desperate to make it on her own. You were a hopeless romantic blah, blah, blah. When it wasn't just me but her and our families who bought into our union. The family was in on you being scammed. Blah, blah, blah when they weren't.

Why have 4 million people left Venezuela? They have lost faith in their government, they have lost hope things will get better, and they are out of patience.

If you don't have hope, faith, and patience, a LTR is not going to succeed. Are individuals going to react to what happened in their country differently? Of course, but you are ignorant of what the people in Venezuela have in common.

That is what MY discussion was about.

YOUR discussion was about not stereotyping when you were stereotyping me and my ex.

LeyenLouvain
03-07-20, 18:00
The guy (called Silver Fox) in the clip below says:

- His 4. 5 star hotel near Parque 93 charges $40 per guest but he refuses to pay the guest fee at check out, and so they remove it.

- he manages to get 60 numbers of hot, non-P4 P girls per week.

https://youtu.be/B1vSRRbdYpE

Believable?

JjBee62
03-07-20, 18:23
The guy (called Silver Fox) in the clip below says:

- His 4. 5 star hotel near Parque 93 charges $40 per guest but he refuses to pay the guest fee at check out, and so they remove it.

- he manages to get 60 numbers of hot, non-P4 P girls per week.

https://youtu.be/B1vSRRbdYpE

Believable?Not believable to me. Didn't watch too much of it. Read the notes below. "Best time of year to come. Any time. " Maybe if you're looking at the weather as an upgrade to Canada. It's fairly miserable during the rainy season.

Gets 60 numbers per week, but according to the notes, most won't respond to his WhatsApp messages.

I'd also guess that getting guest fees removed might be possible, but it's not something I would bet on, especially if you're bringing back 2 girls a day.

Mr Enternational
03-07-20, 19:10
The guy (called Silver Fox) in the clip below says:

- His 4. 5 star hotel near Parque 93 charges $40 per guest but he refuses to pay the guest fee at check out, and so they remove it.

- he manages to get 60 numbers of hot, non-P4 P girls per week.

https://youtu.be/B1vSRRbdYpE

Believable?No. They have his credit card info for incidentals. A hotel that I usually stay in made me pay before they would let the girl in.

LatinaLover#1
07-06-20, 17:29
Everyone is a selfish asshole and it's even more prevenalent in the US. I think I actually lucked out being stuck here. Rent is cheaper, I still have regular I bang on the side and everyone wears a mask and is super hygenic. Only in America do people protest and complains about not spreading it to others. Fucking morons.

Thanks fo the info!I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one /.

JjBee62
07-06-20, 18:08
I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one /.You're right. Masks help protect the people around you.

However, if you are getting screened every 12 weeks, there's a 10 week stretch when you could be infected and not know. You might have no symptoms, or your symptoms might be minor. At any time during that period, if you became infected, a mask would help protect the people around you.

Nobody likes masks. They're uncomfortable, they make your face sweat, they fog your glasses and you can smell your own breath. However, most of us only need to put on a mask for a few minutes a few times a day. And if we're wearing masks, maybe other people, people who are infected, will also put on masks. And maybe we can slow this thing back down.

Routard
07-06-20, 18:27
I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one /.Because you might get infected just 5 minutes after your negative Covid test. With HIV you need to fuck someone to get it, with Covid you can get it just by breathing. And its hard to practice air abstinence for more than 5 minutes. Lol!

PVMonger
07-07-20, 14:08
I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one.You could have become infected as soon as you walked out the door of the Red Cross.

Elvis 2008
07-07-20, 15:37
To get back on track:

1) International flights are being scheduled as of Sept 1st.

2) There probably won't be much of a scene right after Sept 1st.

BC, I doubt that Americans will be let into Colombia Sept 1 without isolation. It will be free reign for the Europeans IMO though.

I am planning on flying my Colombian chicas to Mexico to meet them. Mexico has no formal restrictions at this time, and I do not think they will. My bet is Colombia opens up to the USA fully after the November elections and the shift goes from how bad Corona is in the media to how we over reacted to it.

The Corona virus spread is very real and very serious, but the number of deaths attributed to Corona has been a political farce. Corona is not in the same universe as the 1918 pandemic.

Turgid
07-07-20, 15:42
I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one /.You are under the wrong impression and as always being selfish ends up harming the selfish person as well. If two people meet and neither is wearing a mask there is a great possibility of infection for both. If one is wearing a mask there is lesser possibility of infection of both than if neither is wearing a mask. If both individuals are wearing masks the prevention of being infected is greatest for both.

DonCarlos1234
07-08-20, 08:02
BC, I doubt that Americans will be let into Colombia Sept 1 without isolation. It will be free reign for the Europeans IMO though.

Based on what? If airlines land and deplane passengers that go straight into quarantine it's a nightmare for everyone. Like let's go fly to a prison camp. WTF? Are you saying?

JonSnow1
07-12-20, 21:52
Quarantine is back in Bogota starting July 13. It will be in 3 phases and in select barrios for each phase.

July 13 - July 26 : Santa Fe & Chapiniero, Rafael Uribe, Usme.

July 27 - Aug 09: Bosa, Kennedy, Puente Aranda, Fontibon.

Aug 10 - Aug 23: Suba, Engativa, Barrios Unidos.

https://www.eltiempo.com/bogota/cuarentena-en-bogota-que-cambia-y-que-sigue-igual-en-bogota-a-partir-del-lunes-13-de-julio-516890

Bango Cheito
07-14-20, 09:22
BC, I doubt that Americans will be let into Colombia Sept 1 without isolation. It will be free reign for the Europeans IMO though.

I am planning on flying my Colombian chicas to Mexico to meet them. Mexico has no formal restrictions at this time, and I do not think they will. My bet is Colombia opens up to the USA fully after the November elections and the shift goes from how bad Corona is in the media to how we over reacted to it.

The Corona virus spread is very real and very serious, but the number of deaths attributed to Corona has been a political farce. Corona is not in the same universe as the 1918 pandemic.No argument there. Also, there's always a chance they push the dates back.

Elvis 2008
07-14-20, 17:20
Based on what? Like let's go fly to a prison camp. WTF? Are you saying?DC, when I had a chica fly to Mexico, she got put in self-quarantine for 14 days. If you do not understand it, educate yourself about it. As for why Europeans have free reign, it is because their infection rate is so low. If the USA gets down to European numbers, then maybe Colombia does at away with the quarantine. I just do not see Americans going to Colombia and being allowed to move about with no restrictions September 1 given infection rates in the USA. That is my opinion, nothing more.

Xpartan
07-15-20, 07:58
BC, I doubt that Americans will be let into Colombia Sept 1 without isolation. It will be free reign for the Europeans IMO though.

I am planning on flying my Colombian chicas to Mexico to meet them. Mexico has no formal restrictions at this time, and I do not think they will. My bet is Colombia opens up to the USA fully after the November elections and the shift goes from how bad Corona is in the media to how we over reacted to it.

The Corona virus spread is very real and very serious, but the number of deaths attributed to Corona has been a political farce. Corona is not in the same universe as the 1918 pandemic.Yet. Not in the same universe yet. The first wave of Spanish flu was very mild. It was the second wave that became a mass murderer.

Regarding masks: it's a mistake to presume that masks don't protect the wearers. They do, and to a large degree! Which was finally admitted by WHO and the US Surgeon General, but not the CDC after months and months of lying to the public. I can understand the lies because they needed that stuff for front line people, but now we're over the shortages, so propagating the same lie now is criminal, IMHO. And no, I'm not a virologist, but I read medical studies and interview real scientists for a living, and the evidence is overwhelming. Masks have been known to prevent diseases even when sick individuals weren't wearing them (on a plane). And that's just one example.

Anyway, being stuck here in NYC for at least another year, I do live vicariously through all of you, LOL. Just try to stay safe. Masks are the cheapest and easiest way we can protect ourselves. I mean, I don't like condoms either, but what's the alternative?

LatinaLover#1
07-19-20, 11:06
You are under the wrong impression and as always being selfish ends up harming the selfish person as well. If two people meet and neither is wearing a mask there is a great possibility of infection for both. If one is wearing a mask there is lesser possibility of infection of both than if neither is wearing a mask. If both individuals are wearing masks the prevention of being infected is greatest for both.It amazes me how ill informed the avg. Person is. First the masks out there don't protect anyone, too porous. Also. "when 2 people meet without mask greater the chance" your assuming one or both are infected. Lastly, the numbers of cases is greatly inflated. The way the trackers report positive covid goes like this: One positive person in an office of 50 and a household of 6 is reported as 56 + the original person for a grand total of 57 NEW cases, without any of the others tested. That's how we are getting theses crazy totals everyday. Either your going to get it or not. How do you explain a married couple in a small cruise cabin for weeks and only one gets the virus? The mask, the virus, the closing of schools when kids are practically immune and can't even be carriers, makes no sense. The death rate is so small, the flu kills as many or even more in some areas. This is scare tactics at the worse. A medical billing super in Texas who does billing for 5 states, Texas, oak. Ark. Ect was told to put every admission as COVID whether or not testing was preformed. The left wing media is pushing so many inaccuracies about this virus. Stop watching MSLSD and and do your research and go with the science and data, not the false narratives pushed by the left. Don't believe me, research it for yourself.

Mr Enternational
07-19-20, 11:31
Lastly, the numbers of cases is greatly inflated. The way the trackers report positive covid goes like this: One positive person in an office of 50 and a household of 6 is reported as 56 + the original person for a grand total of 57 NEW cases, without any of the others tested. That's how we are getting theses crazy totals everyday.Where did you get that info? Because here in Thailand when a plane with 100 people comes in and 3 test positive for Covid, they report 3 new cases, not 100. The other day when a diplomat's family came in and the 9 year old daughter was sick and they took her to the hospital and she tested positive for Covid, they reported 1 new case; they did not count the other 5 members of the family as you are asserting.


It amazes me how ill informed the avg. Person is. First the masks out there don't protect anyone, too porous.Why has operating room personnel worn those masks forever if it protects nobody? Why do you walk into a hospital and see doctors and nurses walking around with masks? You mean as greedy as these hospitals are they are going to spend money on masks that do not do anything? Maybe they are doing it for fashion.


This is scare tactics at the worse.For some reason this supposed scare tactic seems not to be working in some countries because I see a lot of mfs running around having big ass parties and refusing to wear masks. Here in Thailand where the scare tactics worked, everyone wore masks, shit closed down, there were curfews. Now there have been no new cases from inside the country for over 50 days and everything is back to normal (except for them not opening the country for infected non-Thais to come in).

Remind me again of what adverse effects wearing a mask has. Where are all the people confessing they wore masks and they ended up falling sick anyway? What is whoever getting out of this big worldwide conspiracy to get people to wear masks in public? I think they were spouting the same types of conspiracy theories when condoms came out.

The Tall Man
07-19-20, 14:01
It amazes me how ill informed the avg. Person is. First the masks out there don't protect anyone, too porous. Also. "when 2 people meet without mask greater the chance" your assuming one or both are infected. Lastly, the numbers of cases is greatly inflated. The way the trackers report positive covid goes like this: One positive person in an office of 50 and a household of 6 is reported as 56 + the original person for a grand total of 57 NEW cases, without any of the others tested. That's how we are getting theses crazy totals everyday. Either your going to get it or not. How do you explain a married couple in a small cruise cabin for weeks and only one gets the virus? The mask, the virus, the closing of schools when kids are practically immune and can't even be carriers, makes no sense. The death rate is so small, the flu kills as many or even more in some areas. This is scare tactics at the worse. A medical billing super in Texas who does billing for 5 states, Texas, oak. Ark. Ect was told to put every admission as COVID whether or not testing was preformed. The left wing media is pushing so many inaccuracies about this virus. Stop watching MSLSD and and do your research and go with the science and data, not the false narratives pushed by the left. Don't believe me, research it for yourself.After much research I totally and without any hesitation believe this is the case. A person is admitted to emergency from an auto accident and dies from internal injuries suffered from the accident and guess what, yep another Covid death. It is all lies and fake, everything is fake and made up, do not trust anything you hear.

The Tall Man.

Turgid
07-19-20, 15:28
.......... Lastly, the numbers of cases is greatly inflated. .........Most authorities state the number of cases is under stated. Some say the actual number of cases is ten times what is reported. Stay safe sir.

JjBee62
07-19-20, 15:30
It amazes me how ill informed the avg. Person is. First the masks out there don't protect anyone, too porous. Also. "when 2 people meet without mask greater the chance" your assuming one or both are infected. Lastly, the numbers of cases is greatly inflated. The way the trackers report positive covid goes like this: One positive person in an office of 50 and a household of 6 is reported as 56 + the original person for a grand total of 57 NEW cases, without any of the others tested. That's how we are getting theses crazy totals everyday. Either your going to get it or not. How do you explain a married couple in a small cruise cabin for weeks and only one gets the virus? The mask, the virus, the closing of schools when kids are practically immune and can't even be carriers, makes no sense. The death rate is so small, the flu kills as many or even more in some areas. This is scare tactics at the worse. A medical billing super in Texas who does billing for 5 states, Texas, oak. Ark. Ect was told to put every admission as COVID whether or not testing was preformed. The left wing media is pushing so many inaccuracies about this virus. Stop watching MSLSD and and do your research and go with the science and data, not the false narratives pushed by the left. Don't believe me, research it for yourself.I did research it for myself. Actually, I researched it for everyone. Strange thing about that. Seems like everyone who tells me "research it for yourself" never researched it. They went to fringe news sites where outrageous claims are made without evidence and then claimed to know the whole truth.

Let's start with your claims about the flu. You didn't research it. If anything you looked at the CDC influenza burden estimates without reading anything else. If you had done more research you would have found that the big numbers aren't even close to the actual numbers. Here's some numbers from the 2018-2019 flu season:

CDC estimate of hospital flu admissions: 490,600.

Actual lab confirmed flu admissions: 18,925.

CDC estimate of flu deaths: 36,000.

Actual lab confirmed pediatric flu deaths: 106.

Now for an explanation. The CDC only tracks pediatric flu deaths. For the estimated number of deaths they combine all pneumonia and flu deaths. They also add in all cardiac or pulmonary deaths which occur outside of a hospital.

I just found an actual number of total flu deaths from the CDC for 2017:6,515.

CDC estimate of flu deaths for 2016-2017:23,000.

CDC estimate of flu deaths for 2017-2018:61,000.

The 6,515 actual deaths is for the calendar year. If you take an average of the estimates, the estimate is almost 7 times higher than the actual number.

Compare any of those numbers to 142,000.

Next.

"A medical billing super. Put every admission as COVID."

Name? Copy of the affidavit? Copy of authorization to put every admission as COVID? That's your research? You don't even have the city the person who supposedly made this claim is from. You don't have anything other than an anonymous claim with no supporting evidence. You're telling me, a person is admitted to a hospital, after a car accident, they undergo surgery to repair 6 broken bones and stop some internal bleeding. They end up with casts and all the treatment associated with an auto accident, yet the insurance company pays the hospital that claimed the person was admitted for COVID? In many cases, a COVID hospital stay is less expensive than a surgical stay. Why would they bill $39,000 for a $250,000 reconstructive surgery?

The numbers aren't grossly inflated. My cousin works as a patient advocate at a large hospital in Nashville. She was planning on coming back for a visit next month. Two weeks ago the one unit set aside for COVID-19 patients was nearly empty. Now they have 2 units full and a third is half full. While I'm not putting her name, or the hospital here, I can assure you I know her. We grew up together, we're the same age. My mother and her mother grew up together. She's a grandmother, a staunch Republican and definitely not a liberal. She's also not someone who would cancel a trip home because of a hoax.

Now, back to the beginning, the masks. Those masks which do nothing are functionally identical to the masks which were used in hospitals from the late 1800's up to the 1960's, when disposable masks began to be used. For almost 150 years they've been shown to reduce the spread of airborne bacteria and virus. But suddenly they've stopped working?

What's crazy is that you have the same people claiming the masks won't do anything and claiming the masks make it impossible to breath. They claim it won't reduce the amount of virus becoming airborne and it blocks oxygen and causes carbon dioxide to build up.

For a moment, let's pretend you're 100% correct. I've got 3 unicorns, 2 Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster and several tooth fairies, who all believe everything you wrote, so I'll go along with them for a moment. What harm will it do you to pretend all the doctors and all the scientists aren't lying? Will your hair fall out and your balls shrink if you put on a mask? Let them all have their fun. Go along with it and then you can laugh at all of us in a few months.

Zeos1
07-19-20, 15:58
It amazes me how ill informed the avg. Person is. First the masks out there don't protect anyone, too porous. Also. "when 2 people meet without mask greater the chance" your assuming one or both are infected. Lastly, the numbers of cases is greatly inflated. The way the trackers report positive covid goes like this: One positive person in an office of 50 and a household of 6 is reported as 56 + the original person for a grand total of 57 NEW cases, without any of the others tested. That's how we are getting theses crazy totals everyday. Either your going to get it or not. How do you explain a married couple in a small cruise cabin for weeks and only one gets the virus? The mask, the virus, the closing of schools when kids are practically immune and can't even be carriers, makes no sense. The death rate is so small, the flu kills as many or even more in some areas. This is scare tactics at the worse. A medical billing super in Texas who does billing for 5 states, Texas, oak. Ark. Ect was told to put every admission as COVID whether or not testing was preformed. The left wing media is pushing so many inaccuracies about this virus. Stop watching MSLSD and and do your research and go with the science and data, not the false narratives pushed by the left. Don't believe me, research it for yourself.I have done lots of research myself. Almost everything you say above is total BS. Not sure where you are doing your research but it is not anything to do with science or reality. I agree though. There is a lot of ill informed people, and you are one of the most ill informed I've ever run into. I know the type though. Listen to all the stuff being put out by your in group and its supporters. Much like the flat earthers, or the creationists. They have their authorities, tons of books and rational sounding arguments. But all bullshit. And no changing them because they refuse to acknowledge any information which challenges their pre-determined position.

Nounce
07-19-20, 16:41
For some reason this supposed scare tactic seems not to be working in some countries because I see a lot of mfs running around having big ass parties and refusing to wear masks.
One thing in common is that they realized the stupidity and mistake only after they were dying from COVID.

LatinaLover#1
07-19-20, 23:16
I have done lots of research myself. Almost everything you say above is total BS. Not sure where you are doing your research but it is not anything to do with science or reality. I agree though. There is a lot of ill informed people, and you are one of the most ill informed I've ever run into. I know the type though. Listen to all the stuff being put out by your in group and its supporters. Much like the flat earthers, or the creationists. They have their authorities, tons of books and rational sounding arguments. But all bullshit. And no changing them because they refuse to acknowledge any information which challenges their pre-determined position.Your smug attitude and nonacceptance of an opposite opinion, identifies you as a left coast, sfb liberal. Since you asked, My recent research is part of the opinion of Dr. Scott Atlas, Hoover Institution Senior Fellow and former chief of Neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center. Next time do some real research, that means reading different opinions and stop regurgitating the slop you heard on Rachel Maddow and Moring Joe. I'm done with you.

Zeos1
07-20-20, 01:40
Your smug attitude and nonacceptance of an opposite opinion, identifies you as a left coast, sfb liberal. Since you asked, My recent research is part of the opinion of Dr. Scott Atlas, Hoover Institution Senior Fellow and former chief of Neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center. Next time do some real research, that means reading different opinions and stop regurgitating the slop you heard on Rachel Maddow and Moring Joe. I'm done with you.Wrong on all counts. I'm not a liberal, I'm not even from the USA. I don't listen to US media generally. And as for reading different opinions. Do lots of that. But you have this American disease it seems. That everything has to be seen as an attack on the right. Even the virus, or specifically the handling of it.

Mr Enternational
07-20-20, 03:51
After much research I totally and without any hesitation believe this is the case. A person is admitted to emergency from an auto accident and dies from internal injuries suffered from the accident and guess what, yep another Covid death. It is all lies and fake, everything is fake and made up, do not trust anything you hear.So then the number of car deaths is down and we no longer need to wear seatbelts. But if it is so fake, why do they need to wait until someone dies from something else? Why not just turn in a list of fake names?

Elvis 2008
07-20-20, 13:57
Your smug attitude and nonacceptance of an opposite opinion, identifies you as a left coast, sfb liberal. Next time do some real research, that means reading different opinions and stop regurgitating the slop you heard on Rachel Maddow and Moring Joe. I'm done with you.Don't even bother LL. You are not going to change these libtards mine. Even now when Covid has not proportionally killed more than the Hong Kong or Bird Flu in the USA, these liberal losers are screaming that this is the apocolpse and say it is a choice between lives and money when we never shut down anything with the prior two epidemics.

Then there is the counting and numbers. Money has been given to pump up Covid numbers and they have been pumped up: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/florida-man-20s-who-died-motorcycle-wreck-labeled-covid-19-death-state.

The fear porn has been out of control, and somehow the Chinese who probably created the virus get a pass while Trump is responsible for all these deaths. The global elitists in the deep state do not want Trump as president. That much is clear.

Somebody actually called the USA a democracy, and I would not call how Joe Biden got the Democratic bid Democratic. The guy wins one primary, and most of the other candidates bow out. The USA is a plutocracy now, and the irony is the guys who are touting the dangers of Covid are cheering on the fall of our republic.

JjBee62
07-20-20, 20:57
Don't even bother LL. You are not going to change these libtards mine. Even now when Covid has not proportionally killed more than the Hong Kong or Bird Flu in the USA, these liberal losers are screaming that this is the apocolpse and say it is a choice between lives and money when we never shut down anything with the prior two epidemics.

Then there is the counting and numbers. Money has been given to pump up Covid numbers and they have been pumped up: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/florida-man-20s-who-died-motorcycle-wreck-labeled-covid-19-death-state.

The fear porn has been out of control, and somehow the Chinese who probably created the virus get a pass while Trump is responsible for all these deaths. The global elitists in the deep state do not want Trump as president. That much is clear.

Somebody actually called the USA a democracy, and I would not call how Joe Biden got the Democratic bid Democratic. The guy wins one primary, and most of the other candidates bow out. The USA is a plutocracy now, and the irony is the guys who are touting the dangers of Covid are cheering on the fall of our republic.Another one that's easy to dismiss. When you get all of your information on any subject from one source you're guaranteed to be misled. At the very least you could pick a source which employs at least one qualified journalist.

The opening sentences of your link tells you that the story lacks any integrity. Didn't you read it?

"We know that coronavirus death counts are being inflated. We just don't know by how much. After all, how could they not be when there is a financial incentive for states and municipalities to report deaths as coronavirus deaths?

You have 2 declarative statements, yet there's nothing to back them up. If you know something, then it's a simple matter to demonstrate it. If I know it's raining, There's no need to qualify the statement. A simple "It's raining" will suffice. If nobody believes it's raining I can provide data from multiple sources, pictures, video. Prefacing anything with "We know" unless it's something indisputable, is a blatant attempt to mislead. Examples:

"We know the earth orbits the sun at a distance of approximately 93 million miles. " While you may not have known that, it's well founded and easy to verify.

"We know that Hillary Clinton and others are running a child sex trafficking ring out of the basement of a Washington DC pizza shop. " We don't know that. There's no evidence of that. The pizza shop implicated didn't even have a basement. Yet, there are still people who believe that.

Next, the financial incentive. Where's it coming from? Where is the money? If there's extra money coming in why aren't healthcare stocks booming? If checks are being written and checks are being cashed, the money has to show up somewhere. Where is it? Why are state revenues down so much if they're being paid to manipulate the data? Why aren't they manipulating it further? Most states showed a decline in cases, completely in line with what was expected due to the shutdown. Yet, if all the data is manipulated and inflated, if all the states are raking in big bucks to inflate the numbers, how could the numbers track downward?

It could be that 1 motorcycle accident death was miscounted. However, you can't inflate 1 to 100,000. Talk to Fun Luvr and see if his math tutor will help you with that.

It's so hard to follow you at times. Apparently, none of the deaths are actually happening, yet you're saying that Trump is being blamed for all the deaths. How can he be blamed for something that isn't happening?

As I've shown elsewhere, multiple times, which you conveniently refuse to address, the CDC estimates of influenza deaths are not supported by evidence. In fact the CDC clearly states this in the Limitations section of their annual flu burden reports. Estimated flu deaths are based upon the total number of pneumonia and influenza (P and I) deaths, plus any cardiac or pulmonary deaths which occurred outside of a hospital, or which occurred in a hospital, but no lab test for influenza was performed.

We don't know the actual number of deaths from the H3 N2 pandemic of 1968. The CDC estimate is 100,000. Which means that it may have killed proportionately more people than COVID, unless you own a calendar and note that you're talking about a much longer time frame. Also, it's worth repeating that you are on record as stating that COVID would be no worse than a normal flu season. Now you're saying it's not as bad as the worst flu seasons we have records of. I'm assuming, at some point you'll point out that the Holocaust killed more people. Where does it end?

You are right about one thing. You aren't going to convince anyone of anything until you can provide real data. Every time I provide real data, you disappear or start talking about Sweden. Provide the data. Or show that the data which the CDC had been collecting since 2003 is flawed.

Or move to Bulgaria. I'm sure they'll let you import some hookers.

The Tall Man
07-21-20, 00:41
Don't even bother LL. You are not going to change these libtards mine. Even now when Covid has not proportionally killed more than the Hong Kong or Bird Flu in the USA, these liberal losers are screaming that this is the apocolpse and say it is a choice between lives and money when we never shut down anything with the prior two epidemics.

Then there is the counting and numbers. Money has been given to pump up Covid numbers and they have been pumped up: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/florida-man-20s-who-died-motorcycle-wreck-labeled-covid-19-death-state.

The fear porn has been out of control, and somehow the Chinese who probably created the virus get a pass while Trump is responsible for all these deaths. The global elitists in the deep state do not want Trump as president. That much is clear.

Somebody actually called the USA a democracy, and I would not call how Joe Biden got the Democratic bid Democratic. The guy wins one primary, and most of the other candidates bow out. The USA is a plutocracy now, and the irony is the guys who are touting the dangers of Covid are cheering on the fall of our republic.
Another one that's easy to dismiss. When you get all of your information on any subject from one source you're guaranteed to be misled. At the very least you could pick a source which employs at least one qualified journalist.

The opening sentences of your link tells you that the story lacks any integrity. Didn't you read it?

"We know that coronavirus death counts are being inflated. We just don't know by how much. After all, how could they not be when there is a financial incentive for states and municipalities to report deaths as coronavirus deaths?

You have 2 declarative statements, yet there's nothing to back them up. If you know something, then it's a simple matter to demonstrate it. If I know it's raining, There's no need to qualify the statement. A simple "It's raining" will suffice. If nobody believes it's raining I can provide data from multiple sources, pictures, video. Prefacing anything with "We know" unless it's something indisputable, is a blatant attempt to mislead. Examples:

"We know the earth orbits the sun at a distance of approximately 93 million miles. " While you may not have known that, it's well founded and easy to verify.

"We know that Hillary Clinton and others are running a child sex trafficking ring out of the basement of a Washington DC pizza shop. " We don't know that. There's no evidence of that. The pizza shop implicated didn't even have a basement. Yet, there are still people who believe that.

Next, the financial incentive. Where's it coming from? Where is the money? If there's extra money coming in why aren't healthcare stocks booming? If checks are being written and checks are being cashed, the money has to show up somewhere. Where is it? Why are state revenues down so much if they're being paid to manipulate the data? Why aren't they manipulating it further? Most states showed a decline in cases, completely in line with what was expected due to the shutdown. Yet, if all the data is manipulated and inflated, if all the states are raking in big bucks to inflate the numbers, how could the numbers track downward?

It could be that 1 motorcycle accident death was miscounted. However, you can't inflate 1 to 100,000. Talk to Fun Luvr and see if his math tutor will help you with that.

It's so hard to follow you at times. Apparently, none of the deaths are actually happening, yet you're saying that Trump is being blamed for all the deaths. How can he be blamed for something that isn't happening?I must say that Elvis convinced me, all true statements. So one down and about 100 million to go.

Trump 2020!

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

JjBee62
07-21-20, 05:04
I must say that Elvis convinced me, all true statements. So one down and about 100 million to go.

Trump 2020!

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.I hope you require a little bit more than that in order to choose your girls. Because, if that convinced you, I'm pretty sure you're ending up bedding a lot of 40 year old transvestites. "Sure the razor stubble and penis looked suspicious, but she said she was 18."

What I believe happened is that you approached this with the firm belief that whatever comes from Trump is right. Elvis confirmed your belief, without providing anything at all other than his belief that whatever comes from Trump is right.

You didn't go out and read through the CDC's annual influenza burden reports, with focus on the Limitations section (any dataset is useless unless you understand the data limitations). You didn't access the ILI Surveillance System or the various state health departments to find actual numbers. You simply accepted the word of someone who has changed his story on COVID more often than most people change their underwear.

Sorry to be harsh, but your response is lacking in intellectual integrity. If you agree with him, do the research he can't, or won't do. Find evidence that everything is being inflated. Show proof of financial incentive for falsifying documents (not only a felony, but an absolute nightmare in malpractice lawsuits). Show actual, lab confirmed flu deaths which match or exceed the lab confirmed COVID-19 deaths. Don't rely upon hearsay. Find the cold, hard truth. If you can find it, I'll use up a favor, I've been saving a long time, in order to get it published and I can guarantee a Pulitzer for you. You will literally have the scoop of the century.

Unfortunately, everything that Trump says isn't guaranteed to be correct. To be brutally honest, everything Trump says isn't guaranteed to be coherent.

A guy I grew up with put up a question on Facebook yesterday. He asked if any of his friends personally knew anyone who had died from COVID-19, or if they personally knew anyone who tested positive. I tagged in another question. Did anyone personally know anyone who has died from the flu in the last 10 years.

Of 38 responses so far, 37 Yes on COVID, 1 No. 12 No on Flu, 0 Yes.

For some background, this is a deep red county. Trump could shoot a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient, while shitting on the US flag and waving a Nazi flag, and he'd still get 80% of the votes. My friend, an extremely devout Christian has said if Satan and Jesus were both on the ballot and Satan was the GOP candidate, Jesus would lose in a landslide.

So these aren't a bunch of liberals making false claims. They're a bunch of 50-65 year olds wearing MAGA hats.

One in particular caught my eye, partly because I had a crush on her back in 7th grade. She works at the local nursing home that was devastated back in May. Of the 36 residents, 18 died. There were 18 obituaries in the local paper. There were 18 funerals. 18 caskets were sold. 18 gravestones were engraved. The company formerly owned by my best friend dug 18 graves. 18 families grieved. And 18 deaths were reported. The numbers weren't inflated. I was 1 degree away from all of them. Most had kids I went to school with. Almost all of them had kids that were delivered by my aunt, who was the first of the 18. At the very least, I went through high school with one of the women who cared for them. These are her words:

"Yes to both (knows someone who died, knows someone tested positive). I worked the Covid wing at (redacted). Need I say more? I had more melt downs in those months than I've had in two years! Right now our daughter-in-law is suffering from Covid. I have never seen her this sick. She has had it for at least ten days now. We've had the kids. Because of our contact with her early on, we have all been tested and are waiting for those results, kids included."

Just as some extra information, she's worked in that nursing home for 35 years. She can't recall a single death from the flu.

I respect your knowledge and experience in Medellin. Sometimes you add some embellishments. Well we all exaggerate a bit, I'll just write it off as artistic license. I enjoy your reports, usually. In this case you jumped into something which you haven't taken the time to educate yourself on. While your live-in; is busy with Tik Tok, educate yourself. You'll be amazed at what you discover.

Elvis 2008
07-21-20, 06:25
When you get all of your information on any subject from one source you're guaranteed to be misled. At the very least you could pick a source which employs at least one qualified journalist.This is such a libtard POV. You spout something off and have no clue you are wrong. Zero Hedge compiles stories. It does not produce them. The original source was Fox 35 news which does employ reporters, https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death.

See? So why would you even bring up? Because you are a libtard who attacks sources you do not like.

Here is more from the same TV station:

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/governor-reacts-to-fox-35-investigation-into-covid-19-data-discrepancies

FOX 35 News discovered that several labs around Florida have reported 100% positivity, meaning every single person who took a coronavirus test was positive. We knew that seemed highly unlikely, so we dug deeper.

So in the libtard world, you do the same thing. It is not labs reporting 100% that is the issue. No, it is Fox News and anything they say cannot be trusted.

The same goes with this quote, "We were arguing, discussing, or trying to argue with the state. Not because of the numbers -- it's 100.it doesn't make any difference if it's 99 -- but the fact that the individual didn't die from COVID-19.died in the crash. But you could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash. I don't know the conclusion of that one. ".

Why are the other 99 Covid deaths right? Hell even a guy who dies in a motorcycle accident dies is counted as Covid and you have some government dickhead trying to justify it. It is the only one bad apple bullshit. How do we know all the other counted deaths are right?

I was trying to find the actual death numbers. Is 2019 more deadly than 2020 in the USA? According to libtards like you JJBee, it must be.

I ran several searches using google and could find nothing. I was like "Fuck me! Google is on in this shit. Run a search on duckduckgo. "

Here is the first hit on duckduckgo: https://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2020/04/24/death-rates-2019-vs-death-rates-2020-per-week/.

Week Number of Deaths 2019 Number of Deaths 2020.

1 58,291 59,087.

2 58,351 59,151.

3 58,194 57,616.

4 57,837 57,000.

5 58,128 56,426.

6 58,492 56,962.

7 57,917 55,981.

8 57,858 55,494.

9 57,920 54,834.

10 58,490 54,157.

11 57,872 52,198.

12 57,087 51,602.

13 56,672 52,285.

14 56,595 49,292.

15 55,477 47,574.

TOTAL 865,181 819,659.

So do you libtard bullshit again. What are you going to do? Attack the source? Attack duck duck go? Make fun of the vaccine liberation army? The one thing you will not do is provide your own data.

So tell me JJBee, why are these numbers hidden and not leading the headlines every day? HMMMM?

Elvis 2008
07-21-20, 16:34
I must say that Elvis convinced me, all true statements. So one down and about 100 million to go.

Trump 2020!.Thanks, TM! Sometimes I feel like I am a lone wolf fighting these Demorats.

JjBee62
07-21-20, 22:04
This is such a libtard POV. You spout something off and have no clue you are wrong. Zero Hedge compiles stories. It does not produce them. The original source was Fox 35 news which does employ reporters, https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death.

See? So why would you even bring up? Because you are a libtard who attacks sources you do not like.

Here is more from the same TV station:

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/governor-reacts-to-fox-35-investigation-into-covid-19-data-discrepancies

FOX 35 News discovered that several labs around Florida have reported 100% positivity, meaning every single person who took a coronavirus test was positive. We knew that seemed highly unlikely, so we dug deeper.

So in the libtard world, you do the same thing. It is not labs reporting 100% that is the issue. No, it is Fox News and anything they say cannot be trusted.

The same goes with this quote, "We were arguing, discussing, or trying to argue with the state. Not because of the numbers -- it's 100.it doesn't make any difference if it's 99 -- but the fact that the individual didn't die from COVID-19.died in the crash. But you could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash. I don't know the conclusion of that one. ".

Why are the other 99 Covid deaths right? Hell even a guy who dies in a motorcycle accident dies is counted as Covid and you have some government dickhead trying to justify it. It is the only one bad apple bullshit. How do we know all the other counted deaths are right?Are you joking, or are you drinking? I can understand if you're well past the "hold my beer" stage of inebriation. Otherwise, you probably shouldn't have made your masks out of plastic grocery bags.

Of course I'm going to attack any website called "Vaccine Liberation Army." It took less than 3 seconds to determine that it's a garbage anti-vax site with no science whatsoever behind it. The reason why these numbers are not top of the headlines every day is because anyone with at least a double digit IQ (which includes all farm animals excluding poultry) would laugh hysterically if the only source anyone could find to support their idiotic claim was "vaccine liberation army."

Now let me point out just how incredibly stupid your response is. This is going to be fun and educational. Well, not for you. Cognitive dissonance is going to spoil the fun and education is clearly an alien concept to you.

You included numbers for the first 15 weeks of 2020. That takes us up to about April 14 (7 x 15 = 105 days - 91 Jan-Mar days = 14th day of April. I include the math because some of you folks seem to be weak in the subject). Yet the first peak in COVID-19 cases didn't occur until May 6.

Seems strange to cut off your "data" before the numbers really began to diverge. Fortunately, I was able to find this, which explains the junk behind your anti-vax claim.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/mortality-in-the-u-s-noticeably-increased-during-the-first-months-of-2020-compared-to-previous-years/

It explains in detail why your silly little numbers are meaningless and deliberately misleading. It also has some quite informative graphs to illustrate the deviation, for those like you who are unable to read, but like pretty pictures.

And because, instead of searching until I can find 1 site, no matter how dubious, which supports my claims, I like to be thorough, here are some more sources.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/covid-19-death-toll-misleading-all-cause-mortality-excess-deaths-pandemic/

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/widely-shared-facebook-posts-mislead-on-covid-19-mortality-rate/

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-death-count-stable-idUSKBN22Q2MT

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/16/facebook-posts/widely-shared-facebook-posts-mislead-covid-19-mort/

As clearly demonstrated, you're completely and absolutely wrong on your second claim.

Your first claim is actually the funny one. You have 1 person, in 1 state who says that 1 death was wrongly attributed to COVID-19. The same person goes on to say that they don't know if the error has been corrected yet.

If it was not corrected, if no deaths from COVID-19 were wrongly attributed to something else, that means that the total death count from COVID-19 has been grossly inflated by 0. 0007%. To put that in perspective, if you went out and bought 4 new cars, each priced at $35,000, this gross inflation of price would mean a ridiculous overcharge of $1 on the fourth car.

You have a claim, at one point, one extra death was added, apparently by mistake, rather than design, to the total, currently more than 143,000. You have no idea whether the mistake has been corrected. You have no substantial claims of any other deaths falsely attributed. You have 1 death. Let me repeat that. You have 1 death.

Tell me, if you find a $1 bill in your washing machine, do you dismantle the machine looking for the other $80,000 which you're certain must be in there? If you see 1 housefly in your home, do you call an exterminator to get rid of the other 50,000 which you're certain are flying around? Because you certainly seem to want to make a mountain out of a molehill with your 1 death.

You still haven't addressed the CDC data on actual versus estimated flu deaths. You still haven't explained how you went from "no worse than a typical flu season" to "not as bad as the worst known flu outbreak in the history of the US" and now to "causing less people to die. " You have literally gone from saying it won't kill more than 20,000 people, to it won't kill more than 675,000 people, to its going to keep about 100,000 more people alive.

Congratulations. You've earned a lifetime achievement award in stupidity.

LoveItHere69
07-22-20, 00:37
I hope you require a little bit more than that in order to choose your girls.

What I believe happened is that you approached this with the firm belief that whatever comes from Trump is right. Elvis confirmed your belief, without providing anything at all other than his belief that whatever comes from Trump is right.I base sex on if it looks girlie enough, is warm, has a hole, and I can catch it.

The problem with most people is they believe what they hear and what they read, but ignore what the person does. What someone does is at least 90% of the real truth. I ignore whatever Trump says and tweets. He does it just to mess with people so they ignore what he is really trying to accomplish. Other times he is not sure what to do because he is not sure what "The People" really want. So he says something. If everyone hates it he sometimes back pedals and changes his mind. Basically test what sticks and hat does not because taking polls is largely a waste of time. I love that he is sticking it to China, closing the border, and eliminating high tech visas for foreigners. Seriously, how can a foreigner go to the same USA university as Johnnie but Johnnie is unqualified?

Seriously, enough is enough. STOP posting if not about Colombia. Nobody is changing anyone's mind. So much wasted energy.

JjBee62
07-22-20, 03:19
I base sex on if it looks girlie enough, is warm, has a hole, and I can catch it.

The problem with most people is they believe what they hear and what they read, but ignore what the person does. What someone does is at least 90% of the real truth. I ignore whatever Trump says and tweets. He does it just to mess with people so they ignore what he is really trying to accomplish. Other times he is not sure what to do because he is not sure what "The People" really want. So he says something. If everyone hates it he sometimes back pedals and changes his mind. Basically test what sticks and hat does not because taking polls is largely a waste of time. I love that he is sticking it to China, closing the border, and eliminating high tech visas for foreigners. Seriously, how can a foreigner go to the same USA university as Johnnie but Johnnie is unqualified?

Seriously, enough is enough. STOP posting if not about Colombia. Nobody is changing anyone's mind. So much wasted energy.Tell you what I'll do. When you quote each other person in this thread, involved in this current subject, and tell each to quit posting if it's not about Colombia, I'll do as you wish, for as long as everyone else complies.

Until then, I suggest skipping over my posts in the threads where the discussion is about something other than current happenings in Colombia.

I admire your dedication to Trump. I clearly see things differently. While I'm not an expert, I do have some knowledge and even a tiny bit of experience with public speaking. I'm also quite familiar with the ethics of public discourse.

Perhaps more importantly, at least to me, I'm aware of the gravity of a public address by the President of the United States. History is filled with defining moments within the speeches given by our Presidents. From "Four score and seven years ago" to "A day which will live in infamy", and "Ask not what your country can do for you" to "A thousand points of light", our leaders have shown strength, empathy and an ability to grasp the gravity of the moment.

Then we have this:

"'So shower-heads, you take a shower, the water does not come out. You want to wash your hands, the water does not come out. So what do you do? You just stand there longer? Because my hair, I don't know about you, but it has to be perfect.

Dishwashers, you didn't have any water, so you the people that do the dishes, you press it and it goes again.

And you do it again and again. So you might as well give them the water because you'll end up using less water. So we made it so dishwashers now have a lot more water and in many places, in most places of the country, water is not a problem. They don't know what to do with it. It's called rain."

I'm sure that in the midst of a global pandemic, with more than 130,000 US deaths, in the midst of rising unemployment and a stumbling economy, in the midst of a global trade war, there are probably other things which also need the attention of the President of the United States. However, I think that water conservation standards probably are pretty low on the list of priorities.

I really don't want to get into a pissing contest over the competence of Trump. I try to keep my discussion focused upon the facts, not opinions, not beliefs and not what the various politicians are saying. Because frankly, there has never been a disease stopped or cured by some blowhard with a microphone.

I welcome debate. Unfortunately, nobody appears capable of actual debate.

Paulie97
07-22-20, 04:30
It amazes me how ill informed the avg. Person is. First the masks out there don't protect anyone, too porous. Nonsense. See the links to the academic studies below. Even single layer bandanas greatly shorten the distances that a cough or sneezes travels. Double layered cloth type masks, especially tightly woven and quilted versions do even better. Shortening the distance that infectious particles can travel is a big plus, especially when all in a group are wearing masks. Throw in social distancing and efforts to discourage gathering in large groups, and it's clear why the EU and has Covid-19 under control and the states do not. BTW I heard something today at my neighborhood barbecue spot that reminded me of much of what I read regarding Covid in this forum. Guy picked up his order at the window and said to the cooks "This is all going to magically disappear after November. " Heck even a pandemic that effects every nook and cranny of the globe has to be all about the victimization of Trump. But the dilemma is this, you can't fix stupid, of which there is an over abundance in the states. All we can do is do out best to work around it.

https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/efficacy-facemasks-coronavirus.php

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

Elvis 2008
07-22-20, 06:00
You have literally gone from saying it won't kill more than 20,000 people, to it won't kill more than 675,000 people, to its going to keep about 100,000 more people alive.

Congratulations. You've earned a lifetime achievement award in stupidity.Show me where I posted that only 20,000 people would die.

Then you go on about the vaccine liberation army and do not address the data. Then you stupidly post links that verify the very data I posted.

But it gets better. As far as data beyond that, you post links that show the CDC does not have any other further data. No, that data is still being processed. I wonder why.

All the other deaths but that one are attributed to Covid, and why is that? Because you are a libtard who trusts everything the government says? You do not even know how many people were declared Covid deaths and had a negative test or no testing. Causes of deaths are opinions.

To me, the two biggest data points are number of dead and age of those dead. Because if life expectancy in 2020 is greater than in 2019, there is going to be one helluva lot of explaining to do by those at the CDC and elsewhere who have made a bad case of flu into a pandemic rivaling the apocalypse.

Paulie97
07-22-20, 06:59
Next, the financial incentive. Where's it coming from? Where is the money? If there's extra money coming in why aren't healthcare stocks booming? If checks are being written and checks are being cashed, the money has to show up somewhere. Where is it? Why are state revenues down so much if they're being paid to manipulate the data? Why aren't they manipulating it further? Most states showed a decline in cases, completely in line with what was expected due to the shutdown. Yet, if all the data is manipulated and inflated, if all the states are raking in big bucks to inflate the numbers, how could the numbers track downward?I noticed Elvis completely dodged these points. Elvis, care to answer? I'd especially be interested in an answer to this one.


Yet, if all the data is manipulated and inflated, if all the states are raking in big bucks to inflate the numbers, how could the numbers track downward? And why have the numbers in EU countries tracked way downward, in both reported cases and deaths? Did they decide to drop out of the global conspiracy? Do explain.

Paulie97
07-22-20, 07:24
After much research I totally and without any hesitation believe this is the case. A person is admitted to emergency from an auto accident and dies from internal injuries suffered from the accident and guess what, yep another Covid death. It is all lies and fake, everything is fake and made up, do not trust anything you hear.

The Tall Man.Monger Board "research" doesn't count, nor do links to kooky youtubers, "The No Vaccine Army" or obscure Bulgarian investor blogs. Every state, locale, every country faking numbers for money, even though in many places cases numbers and deaths are drastically declining. Here's the good news though, even most Republicans aren't buying this silliness. You can't win any state or national elections with the votes of only the most gullible and / or paranoid Republicans. This isn't even a Repub versus Dem thing, but kooky conspiracy theorists against the rest of us. Not to mention that Elvis is constantly ignoring JJBee62's points. This shows you who has the better arguments.

Paulie97
07-22-20, 07:49
This is such a libtard POV.Fox is the other side of CNN. Don't dare post a CNN link to a conservative, or it will instantly be dismissed with enthusiasm, so pot calling kettle black. But this isn't even a lib / conservative thing, but worldwide conspiracy theorist morons versus the rest of us. Most Repubs don't buy this silliness that all the worldwide Covid numbers, country by country are getting faked. That's late night radio stuff, or barstool banter with a poorly educated old angry white guy. Yea I'm white also, but not in that category.

But yea deSantis explained the "100% positive" business, right from the article you posted, though you never alluded to it. It's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

"The law requires for a reportable illness that if someone tests positive, it's reported. That's sort of the underlying law. We then said, I think in one of my executive orders, report the negatives too, and that's how we look to see percent positive and try to evaluate," DeSantis said. "There were a number of labs who were just doing kind of what the default is, which is sending the positives only without sending the negatives," DeSantis said.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/governor-reacts-to-fox-35-investigation-into-covid-19-data-discrepancies

So what's the big deal?

Even if you could accomplish the monumental task of proving that the whole Covid deal in the US is fake (won't happen) you have 194 countries left to go!

JjBee62
07-22-20, 20:42
Show me where I posted that only 20,000 people would die.

Then you go on about the vaccine liberation army and do not address the data. Then you stupidly post links that verify the very data I posted.

But it gets better. As far as data beyond that, you post links that show the CDC does not have any other further data. No, that data is still being processed. I wonder why.

All the other deaths but that one are attributed to Covid, and why is that? Because you are a libtard who trusts everything the government says? You do not even know how many people were declared Covid deaths and had a negative test or no testing. Causes of deaths are opinions.

To me, the two biggest data points are number of dead and age of those dead. Because if life expectancy in 2020 is greater than in 2019, there is going to be one helluva lot of explaining to do by those at the CDC and elsewhere who have made a bad case of flu into a pandemic rivaling the apocalypse.Of course you're aware that Mojo deleted all the posts from his thread. Which is the only reason you replied with confidence to the "only 20,000" portion. However, you appear to have forgotten that I saved all your posts from that thread, way back in April, for the explicit purpose of showing how frequently you have changed your story. Looks like time to crack open the laptop this weekend.

I included 5 links which all explained, in detail, including graphs, how wrong your data was. Yet you claim it confirms what you posted? It doesn't. You might as well tell me that thunder and lightning confirm that it's a beautiful, cloudless day, with zero chance of rain.

The links, again. From 5 different sources, all show an increase in the number of weekly deaths over the previous 5 year average (conveniently including the worst flu season in recent times which you were previously saying was much worse than COVID-19) and the data clearly shows the deviation began when people started dying from COVID-19.

I understand that you are unable to comprehend the data. You have shown that it's impossible for you to understand anything which does not confirm whichever position you've chosen on that particular day. For example, let's look at your rubber ball views on social distancing. You have claimed that social distancing had no effect on flattening the curve. You've claimed social distancing is responsible for flattening the curve. You've claimed that masks are useless and you've claimed that masks alone could have allowed us to avoid the shutdown, plus claiming the spike in Texas was due to relaxation of social distancing requirements for churches.

Here's something anyone else understands without requiring explanation. Data collection requires time. Anyone serious about collecting useful data, verifies the data, and continues to update the data, as more data becomes available. No reputable researcher would use unverified data. No reputable peer-reviewed publication would accept research which used unverified data.

Data collection is a tedious process. Data verification is even more tedious. This is why we don't see research making fantastic claims about things which happened yesterday, or last week. We see research which explains things from last month, or more frequently last year. The full burden of COVID-19 during 2020 will not be known for at least another year, and it will probably be about 5 years.

What we do know is that the anti-science dipshits, which includes the anti-vaccine dumbfucks, keep having to change their story. First some idiotic cock washer claims "it will be no worse than a normal flu season", then the same dick muncher claims "it's not as bad as a bad flu season. " After that the penis plucker continues to make comparisons all the way up to the worst flu season ever recorded. Always having to move those goalposts as reality ignores the prognostication of the pathetically uneducated.

All I have to do is say the numbers will continue to go up until the US decides to treat the highly infectious and dangerous disease as if it was a highly infectious and dangerous disease.

I don't need to change that. When the death count hits 150 k, 200 k, 250 k, I won't need to find new comparisons. When the shutdown comes back, I don't need to explain it. If curfews are enacted and enforced, I'm still comfortable with my answer. When almost every country refuses US visitors at least until early 2021, I'm still good.

In the meantime I'll continue to push back against your disinformation campaign and keep laughing at how silly you make yourself look.

Elvis 2008
08-08-20, 07:26
I noticed Elvis completely dodged these points. Elvis, care to answer? I'd especially be interested in an answer to this one.You really need an answer as to why a lab would report 100% positive results? Are you that stupid? One reason is that individuals get generous paid sick leave if they test + for Covid. Then you have hospitals getting paid more. As for why their stocks are not soaring, it is because they have fewer lucrative elective procedures to do.


And why have the numbers in EU countries tracked way downward, in both reported cases and deaths? Did they decide to drop out of the global conspiracy? Do explain.You mean Europe that includes Sweden where they didn't shut down the schools and still had mass gatherings. Unlike you know it all piece of shit, MSDNC watching, arrogant, narcissistic libtards, I don't know why the virus slowed in Asia and in Europe and not in the USA or the Americas. It may have been a mutation or environmental factors, but something happened.

Of course, you libtards have your standard stock responses without shit for data to back anything up. Why did the virus stop in Sweden which gave a middle finger to all the experts and was non compliant as hell and not in Peru or Colombia that implemented everything the experts asked for? The idea that you libtards know why is a fucking joke.

All you arrogant libtard assholes are saying is if Trump would have listened to the experts, things would have been great. Well, Sweden said FU to the experts and they are not having any problems now.

So here is my challenge to you. If your experts knew everything, show me one fucking expert who was 100% right about everything that Trump should have listened to and did not.

You and JJBee are so fucking stupid that you actually point to New York, the state that has three times more deaths than any other state save for New Jersey, as a success. Do you idiots realize that 32,000 deaths is worse than 10,000?

JjBee62
08-09-20, 14:14
You make it so easy.


You really need an answer as to why a lab would report 100% positive results? Are you that stupid? One reason is that individuals get generous paid sick leave if they test + for Covid. Then you have hospitals getting paid more. As for why their stocks are not soaring, it is because they have fewer lucrative elective procedures to do.Let's see if I understand your reasoning here Mr financial genius. The healthcare industry, the entire healthcare industry, has chosen, voluntarily to lose all the money from "lucrative" elective procedures, in order to pretend to treat COVID-19 for much less money, except they're supposedly getting paid more to treat COVID-19 cases? Either the entire healthcare industry is really stupid, or you didn't think that little tidbit of wisdom through.


You mean Europe that includes Sweden where they didn't shut down the schools and still had mass gatherings. Unlike you know it all piece of shit, MSDNC watching, arrogant, narcissistic libtards, I don't know why the virus slowed in Asia and in Europe and not in the USA or the Americas. It may have been a mutation or environmental factors, but something happened.Maybe it was the Yetis in Asia and the Loch Ness monster in Europe. Or perhaps Trump hating space aliens. Chemtrails? Fluoride in the water? Microchips in vaccines?

Everyone else knows why the rate of infection was slowed and stopped in Asia, Europe and of course Canada. But you don't know because it doesn't fit in with your "social distancing doesn't work", "social distancing was effective", "social distancing did nothing", "social distancing stopped the spread", "social distancing had no effect" position that you have changed roughly every 8 days.

I saw perfectly well why the transmission rate has been effectively curtailed in Europe, Asia and Canada, but not in the US or Colombia.

Normally, on Friday, I try to get out of Toronto before 5 am when the traffic starts picking up, but last week I had to wait until 2 pm, when the first wave of the afternoon traffic begins. Between my office and the 401 highway I passed by several occupied bus stops. Of the 50 or so people I saw waiting for buses, only one didn't have a mask covering her mouth and nose. She was standing 10 meters away drinking a soda. On the way back to the border I stopped at the Woodstock OnRoute for some lunch. All the employees and all the customers were wearing masks covering mouth and nose, except for 1 truck driver who came out of the men's room with no mask. Out of a total of about 100 people I observed on Friday, all but one were following social distancing or mask requirements.

After crossing the border I made 3 stops in the US during my 9 hour drive. At none of the stops were more than half the employees wearing masks properly. At none of the stops were more than half the customers wearing masks properly. At one stop, of the 8 employees, 6 had their nose uncovered. At one stop, I was the only customer wearing a mask. Just to be clear, there were signs on every door stating masks were required for entry.


Of course, you libtards have your standard stock responses without shit for data to back anything up. Why did the virus stop in Sweden which gave a middle finger to all the experts and was non compliant as hell and not in Peru or Colombia that implemented everything the experts asked for? The idea that you libtards know why is a fucking joke.

All you arrogant libtard assholes are saying is if Trump would have listened to the experts, things would have been great. Well, Sweden said FU to the experts and they are not having any problems now.So we're back to Sweden? Sweden has twice the population of Norway. Sweden has recorded over 22 times as many deaths as Norway, 5,763 to 256.

Of course the flaw in your argument for Sweden, besides the disparity in deaths is your claim that Sweden did nothing. Sweden did enact some restrictions intended to improve social distancing. They didn't do a complete lockdown. There's no worldwide consensus on whether their response was the correct one.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133


So here is my challenge to you. If your experts knew everything, show me one fucking expert who was 100% right about everything that Trump should have listened to and did not.Here's my challenge to you:

Stop doing anything that you can't guarantee with 100% certainty. That includes eating, drinking and breathing. If you're going to require 100% as the standard, then I insist that you also adhere to the 100% rule you want to impose.

As you've been told multiple times, no expert can be 100% correct, if their advice is not followed as given. If the experts say, "shut everything down until we can get the new infection rate down to a level where we can institute contact tracing and everything is only shutdown until the babies like you start shitting themselves, the experts weren't wrong. The recommendations were not followed. When the experts say "wear a mask" and the President goes on national TV and says "This is voluntary. I don't think I'm going to be doing it", it sends a contradictory message.

I'll tell you what, here's another challenge for you. Show me one time where Trump's statements or actions involving the coronavirus have been 100% correct and have not changed.


You and JJBee are so fucking stupid that you actually point to New York, the state that has three times more deaths than any other state save for New Jersey, as a success. Do you idiots realize that 32,000 deaths is worse than 10,000?This has already been covered, but in light of the hypocrisy in this post it's worth covering again.

You "are so fucking stupid that you actually point to" Sweden, the country with 22 times the number of deaths as it's neighbor Norway, the country with 4 times the per capita death rate of Germany (even though Germany's population density is almost 10 times greater), and the country with more deaths than 41 of the US states as a success, in the same post you want to call others stupid because New York went from being the state with the most cases to the state with one of the lowest number of cases per capita.

Let's put it in terms you'll still be unable to understand, but will clearly illustrate your grasp of the situation to everyone else.

Given a choice between staying in a hotel that was nearly destroyed 3 years ago by fire, which has since been completely rebuilt, and staying in a hotel that is currently on fire, you would choose the latter, if the current fire is smaller than the fire 3 years ago.

JjBee62
08-09-20, 16:36
You mean Europe that includes Sweden where they didn't shut down the schools and still had mass gatherings. Unlike you know it all piece of shit, MSDNC watching, arrogant, narcissistic libtards, I don't know why the virus slowed in Asia and in Europe and not in the USA or the Americas. It may have been a mutation or environmental factors, but something happened.So. Let's see if I understand you correctly. It was a mutation or environmental factors? Had absolutely nothing to do with the various responses (and associated compliance) of different countries or states?

Those darn mutations and environmental factors are tricky little buggers aren't they? They protected Europe, except for Sweden, where the number of deaths was 22 times higher than neighbor Norway. They protected Asia, except for India. They protected Canada, but not the US, except they protected New Hampshire and Vermont, but not Massachusetts. They protected Oregon, but not Washington. They initially protected Texas, then said "fuck you Texas, time to die. " They didn't protect California, then did protect it, then changed their mind again.

Of course the outcomes in each location have nothing to do with the response locally. The outcomes themselves have nothing to do with the outcomes. Right?

When you compare Sweden, which you love to do, with other countries what do you get? According to you, Sweden should be the model for the rest of the world. Except, as already mentioned, 22 times as many deaths as Norway. Much higher per capita deaths than anywhere else in Europe. If you adjust for population, if they had the same population as the US, they would have had 180,000 deaths. If they had the population of India they would have had 745,000 deaths. If they had the population of Germany, 45,700 deaths.

While we're at it, let's look at the entire planet, if everyone followed Sweden's lead and had comparable results. Adjusting solely for population, if Sweden's incredibly successful approach was equally as fantastically successful around the world, the current number of deaths would stand at 4.19 million, much better than 728 k.

I can see why you keep crowing about how incredibly successful Sweden has been!

Notes:

I used a population of 10.5 million for Sweden. 2019 estimate was 10.23 million.

I used population of 328 million for US. 2019 estimate was 328.2.

I used 1. 366 billion for India, the 2019 estimate and 7.594 for earth population, the 2018 estimate.

In other words, I cheated to try and make Sweden's numbers lower.

If you're trying to prove how much smarter you are, maybe you should consider an approach that doesn't prove the opposite every single time.

Cm6363
08-09-20, 21:48
Kudos JjBee62. Well said below.

For those of us who accept the scientific prognostication of a pandemic and are not in Colombia, how are those of you in country finding your activities?

If you enjoy GFE, CoVid-19 must be troubling.


So. Let's see if I understand you correctly. It was a mutation or environmental factors? Had absolutely nothing to do with the various responses (and associated compliance) of different countries or states?

Those darn mutations and environmental factors are tricky little buggers aren't they? They protected Europe, except for Sweden, where the number of deaths was 22 times higher than neighbor Norway. They protected Asia, except for India. They protected Canada, but not the US, except they protected New Hampshire and Vermont, but not Massachusetts. They protected Oregon, but not Washington. They initially protected Texas, then said "fuck you Texas, time to die. " They didn't protect California, then did protect it, then changed their mind again.

Of course the outcomes in each location have nothing to do with the response locally. The outcomes themselves have nothing to do with the outcomes. Right?

When you compare Sweden, which you love to do, with other countries what do you get? According to you, Sweden should be the model for the rest of the world. Except, as already mentioned, 22 times as many deaths as Norway. Much higher per capita deaths than anywhere else in Europe. If you adjust for population, if they had the same population as the US, they would have had 180,000 deaths. If they had the population of India they would have had 745,000 deaths. If they had the population of Germany, 45,700 deaths.

While we're at it, let's look at the entire planet, if everyone followed Sweden's lead and had comparable results. Adjusting solely for population, if Sweden's incredibly successful approach was equally as fantastically successful around the world, the current number of deaths would stand at 4.19 million, much better than 728 k.

I can see why you keep crowing about how incredibly successful Sweden has been!

Elvis 2008
08-09-20, 23:00
So. Let's see if I understand you correctly. It was a mutation or environmental factors? Had absolutely nothing to do with the various responses (and associated compliance) of different countries or states?JJBee, it is pretty clear to me that you want to go on about the experts and whether each country or state adhered to expert advice and give a prize based on that. Because all that mattered was compliance, that would mean the virus did not mutate into more virulent forms right and that environmental factors had no influence at all. That kind of statement is not only filled with arrogance; it is dead wrong.

In addition, you would have to give a score on what worked and what did not: social distancing, mass quarantines, hand washing, banning mass gatherings ETC. Did they all achieve the same deterrent effect or were they different? Did some places achieve better compliance with one method or other? Which of these methods worked best to contain the virus and which did nothing?

At this point, it is obvious to me that you are a Demorat with zero desire to truly understand how the virus spread and meekly trying to play the game the NYT, WaPO, and MSDNC are in saying that the virus spreading in the USA is all on Trump.


Those darn mutations and environmental factors are tricky little buggers aren't they? They protected EuropeSigh, and you are not being a good Demorat and keeping up on your propaganda. This is from today's NY Times.

European nations still lead the world in Covid-19 deaths per capita. A gruesome failure to protect the elderly is largely to blame.

Public health officials around the world excluded nursing homes from their pandemic preparedness plans and omitted residents from the mathematical models used to guide their responses. In a particularly grim twist, Belgian paramedics and hospitals sometimes flatly denied care to elderly people, even as hospital beds sat unused.


If you're trying to prove how much smarter you are, maybe you should consider an approach that doesn't prove the opposite every single time.Nah, like I said, I am happy with my final judgment on things, and I had to prove in my own mind your POV was wrong. There is no hope for you though.

It is pretty clear to me that you are more interested in being "right", which in your mind is popular with your fellow Demorats, than knowing what is going on.

Elvis 2008
08-10-20, 00:26
This is from today's NY Times.

European nations still lead the world in Covid-19 deaths per capita. A gruesome failure to protect the elderly is largely to blame.

Public health officials around the world excluded nursing homes from their pandemic preparedness plans and omitted residents from the mathematical models used to guide their responses. In a particularly grim twist, Belgian paramedics and hospitals sometimes flatly denied care to elderly people, even as hospital beds sat unused.If you read this, you can see the NYT and their game. Any time the experts are wrong, the NYT calls the experts public health officials. It was public health officials who also gave confusing remarks about masks not experts.

If you read JJBee's posts, he as well as all the Demorat libtards hold Europe up as a model for doing things right. This is a common libtard theme that the USA should be more like Europe so why the criticism here? Why bring up the death numbers. Now? That actually should make Americans feel good and Trump can say he did a better job than Europe did, right? Fewer people died per capita in the USA than Europe?

Because if you look at the numbers, the cases of Covid are surging in Belgium, France, and especially Spain, and the NYT wants to put out the notion that European public health officials did not listen to the experts. But of course, public health officials and the so called experts are one in the same.

So how come cases are surging in Europe? Well, no one knows but the NYT wants to present the image that it is because Europe did not listen to the experts just like Trump didn't.

JjBee62
08-10-20, 09:30
You replied to your own post, but included this:

"If you read JJBee's posts, he as well as all the Demorat libtards hold Europe up as a model for doing things right. ".

Are you telling yourself that you need to read my posts? Clearly you haven't read my posts because I have not held up anyplace as a model for doing things right. That would be you. And you held up Sweden. Time after time you held up Sweden. Strange, you're not only suffering from delusions, but you're actually writing posts to yourself telling yourself what you need to do.


If you read this, you can see the NYT and their game. Any time the experts are wrong, the NYT calls the experts public health officials. It was public health officials who also gave confusing remarks about masks not experts.

If you read JJBee's posts, he as well as all the Demorat libtards hold Europe up as a model for doing things right. This is a common libtard theme that the USA should be more like Europe so why the criticism here? Why bring up the death numbers. Now? That actually should make Americans feel good and Trump can say he did a better job than Europe did, right? Fewer people died per capita in the USA than Europe?

Because if you look at the numbers, the cases of Covid are surging in Belgium, France, and especially Spain, and the NYT wants to put out the notion that European public health officials did not listen to the experts. But of course, public health officials and the so called experts are one in the same.

So how come cases are surging in Europe? Well, no one knows but the NYT wants to present the image that it is because Europe did not listen to the experts just like Trump didn't.Suddenly you've forgotten about Sweden? Why didn't you mention Sweden? You've been going on and on about Sweden for 3 weeks. When I finally demonstrate how badly Sweden fared, now you've never even heard of the country?

It's called Sweden. Ring any bells? Complete amnesia, right? Maybe while you were doing all that deep diving for truth you bumped your head on your pelvis and gave yourself a concussion.

Are you sure you don't want to talk about Sweden anymore? Strange how that keeps happening. Every time someone points out the error of your reasoning, or one of your outright lies, you completely forget about it. It's almost as if you're without any shred of integrity.

Next up: Is it irony or intellectual dishonesty? Why, it's both! That's right! It's ironic that now you've completely abandoned Sweden you want to talk about per capita rates for Europe. Ironic because Sweden is one of the countries that drove that number higher.

Intellectual dishonesty, and using the word "intellectual' when talking about you is like using the word "steak" when talking about tofu, because much of Europe is seeing a decline in the number of new cases, while places like the US and Brazil are still on the rise. It won't be long before both the US and Brazil have higher per capita rates than Europe.

More of your dishonesty here:

"Cases are surging in Belgium".

Yes, except the surge is still only 25% of the peak number of cases.

France.

Yes, except the surge is still only 30% of the peak number of cases.

Spain.

Yes except the surge is still only 50% of the peak number of cases.

Compare to the US and the current peak is about 200% of the earlier peak number of cases.

And naturally you failed to mention Germany, the most populous country in Europe, where cases aren't surging. You forgot to mention Italy, where cases aren't surging. You left out the UK where cases aren't surging. In fact, it appears that cases are only surging in Spain, Belgium and France and the surge is nowhere near the surge in the US.

While you're at it, I need to insist that you do something. You need to personally call out every person who is currently in Colombia and who has posted about the women they have seen there, as well as the conditions on the streets. You need to inform each of them that they are lying. Because, either all of them are lying, or your assertion that Colombia had 100% compliance with the quarantine is a lie.

The only thing more virulent is your dishonesty.

Kazeu
08-10-20, 17:57
Uh. Anyone heard any good jokes lately?

Elvis 2008
08-10-20, 18:40
Clearly you haven't read my posts because I have not held up anyplace as a model for doing things right.Kazeu asked for jokes and with that statement you obliged him. Now how about you tell a joke that is actually funny?

Elvis 2008
08-10-20, 19:21
For those of us who accept the scientific prognostication of a pandemic and are not in Colombia, how are those of you in country finding your activities?In the USA, things are not that great as people are getting government handouts. In Mexico, things are way better because so many hot women have lost their jobs and are looking for alternative income.


If you enjoy GFE, CoVid-19 must be troubling.And the second reason is that men like yourself are afraid and there is less male competition in part due to the misinformation campaign. In your case, you equate a GFE experience with a woman and catching Covid.

It is funny when someone in another forum mentioned wanting to be safe and fucking a woman bareback but their both wearing masks. I laughed at the irony of the situation but from a Covid perspective, that probably does constitute safe sex.

JjBee62
08-11-20, 05:09
Kazeu asked for jokes and with that statement you obliged him. Now how about you tell a joke that is actually funny?Still avoiding talking about Sweden? What's the matter ElAnus? Why won't you discuss Sweden anymore? Your credibility is already in the shitter and every time you run and hide from the facts bit just goes further down the drain.

So talk to me. Tell me again about Sweden.

JjBee62
08-11-20, 05:13
Kazeu asked for jokes and with that statement you obliged him. Now how about you tell a joke that is actually funny?While you're at it, what about Germany? What about Italy? What about the UK? Yet again, any inconvenient facts you run and hide from. If you're going to make blanket statements about Europe, you should have taken the time to see how applicable those statements are. Or at least be prepared when they are challenged.

Time to face up to all your lies ElAnus.

Elvis 2008
08-12-20, 06:01
Still avoiding talking about Sweden?

So talk to me. Tell me again about Sweden.Obviously, you want to mouth off something about Sweden and the numbers. If you look at Denmark, Norway, and Finland, Sweden's policy was a failure. If you look at Spain, Belgium, and the UK, it is a resounding success.

Economically, there is no question it was a success: Sweden's second-quarter GDP figures were better an 8.6 per cent fall versus 11.9 per cent for the EU.

As far as going forward, it looks like they really have their shit together:

Instead, the latter argue much of the recent decline has to do with the fact that Sweden all but closes down for a month after the midsummer holiday at the end of June. Lena Einhorn, a virologist and prominent critic of Sweden's strategy, argued that results of antibody tests suggest the country remained some distance from herd immunity where so many people are infected that the virus stops spreading.

She added Sweden needed to stop bucking the international trend in two areas in particular: refusing to order the mandatory use of face masks; and failing to put all known contacts of infected people into quarantine.

Wow, that is the same thing I have been saying for at least a month.

And Sweden has allowed the young to get exposed to the virus by keeping schools open which is the right path to herd immunity:

Most of those who have had themselves tested are between 20 and 69 years old, but it is in the age category 1019 years that the largest proportion of those sampled, 29.3 per cent, carry antibodies. The age group 2029 also stands out somewhat, 16.6 percent in that group have tested positive.

It looks like they have their shit together to me, but to Demorats like you who want to shut down the world economy with a generalized lockdown to get Trump out of office, I get why you would do all you can to say Sweden is a disaster. You think world poverty is a sure path to Biden elections. Let's do more total lockdowns!

JjBee62
08-12-20, 20:26
Obviously, you want to mouth off something about Sweden and the numbers. If you look at Denmark, Norway, and Finland, Sweden's policy was a failure. If you look at Spain, Belgium, and the UK, it is a resounding success.

Economically, there is no question it was a success: Sweden's second-quarter GDP figures were better an 8.6 per cent fall versus 11.9 per cent for the EU.

As far as going forward, it looks like they really have their shit together:

Instead, the latter argue much of the recent decline has to do with the fact that Sweden all but closes down for a month after the midsummer holiday at the end of June. Lena Einhorn, a virologist and prominent critic of Sweden's strategy, argued that results of antibody tests suggest the country remained some distance from herd immunity where so many people are infected that the virus stops spreading.

She added Sweden needed to stop bucking the international trend in two areas in particular: refusing to order the mandatory use of face masks; and failing to put all known contacts of infected people into quarantine.

Wow, that is the same thing I have been saying for at least a month.It's always fun and easy when you make specific claims.

Now we can have more fun with Sweden. If you learned how to do basic math these lessons would be unnecessary.

"If you look at Spain, Belgium, and the UK, it is a resounding success. ".

Belgium: Currently has 75,008 confirmed cases with a population of 11.46 million.

Sweden: Currently has 83,455 confirmed cases with a population of 10.23 million.

If Sweden had the population of Belgium it would have almost 93,500 cases. If Belgium had the population of Sweden it would only have 67,000 cases. Hardly what I would call a resounding success. Deaths, Belgium has 9885, Sweden 5774. Adjusted for population Sweden would only have 6468 deaths. That one is a significant improvement.

Spain: Currently has 327 k confirmed cases with a population of 46.94 million.

If Sweden had the population of Spain they would have 382 k cases. If Spain had the population of Sweden they would have had 71,000 cases. Hardly what I would call a resounding success. Deaths, Spain has 28,581. Adjusted for population Sweden would have 26,493. Not a huge improvement, but better.

UK: Currently has 314 k cases with a population of 66.65 million.

If Sweden had the population of the UK they would have 543.7 k cases. If UK had the population of Sweden they would have had 48,100 cases. Yet another, not exactly what I would call a resounding success. Deaths, UK has 46,706. Adjusted for population Sweden would have 37,618. Another significant improvement.

Congratulations! If we look just at number of deaths, Sweden has lower per capita numbers than the 6 worst countries in Europe. Add in San Marino, Andorra and Italy. Which means 44 countries in Europe have done better and 186 countries around the world have had a better outcome.

Let's keep trying.

Colombia: 410 k cases with 49.65 million population. We have a winner! If Sweden had the population of Colombia, they would only have 405 k cases. If you look at deaths, Colombia currently has 13,475. Adjusted for population Sweden would have 28,000 deaths.

Brazil: 3. 12 million cases with 209.5 population. There's the big winner! If Sweden had the population of Brazil they would have only had 1. 7 million cases. Unless you look at deaths. Currently Brazil is at 103 k deaths, but adjusted for population Sweden would have had 118 k deaths. However, I don't have a high level of confidence in the numbers from Brazil. I expect when the dust clears their actual number of deaths will be much higher than reported.

Unfortunately, this particular disease isn't just about who dies and who doesn't. A small scale study of 57 patients found that 15 of the 40 who had mild cases still had abnormal lung function 30 days after they were discharged from the hospital. Of the 17 severe cases, 16 still had impairment.

Other studies are reporting lingering abnormalities, some severe in other organs, including the brain. Although it's much too early to be certain, there's speculation these abnormalities could last for a year or longer, with some researchers suggesting they could be permanent.

Which means the "herd immunity" route you've long been advocating comes with a risk of permanent disability. It means there's an added cost to the Sweden solution which neither you nor Sweden considered. In a few years we should be able to figure out the financial burden of that cost.

While initially, it might have been an economic success, will that continue to be true? If 2,000 or more of the ICU patients require long term medical care, what is the cost? If 3,000 or more of the non-ICU patients require long term medical care, what is the cost?

What happens in 3 or 4 years if we start seeing 50% of former COVID-19 patients suffering strokes, heart failure, liver failure, kidney failure, recurring pneumonia? You were right about one thing. We didn't know anything about this disease. We won't know much more than we know now for another year or two. We won't really know enough about it for 5 to 10 years.

Until that time, it is better to err on the side of caution.

Elvis 2008
08-12-20, 23:00
Until that time, it is better to err on the side of caution.Great! Now compare to Stockholm to Lima. I need a laugh.

Nounce
08-13-20, 06:40
It's always fun and easy when you make specific claims.

Now we can have more fun with Sweden. If you learned how to do basic math these lessons would be unnecessary.

"If you look at Spain, Belgium, and the UK, it is a resounding success. ".

Belgium: Currently has 75,008 confirmed cases with a population of 11.46 million.

Sweden: Currently has 83,455 confirmed cases with a population of 10.23 million.

If Sweden had the population of Belgium it would have almost 93,500 cases. If Belgium had the population of Sweden it would only have 67,000 cases. Hardly what I would call a resounding success. Deaths, Belgium has 9885, Sweden 5774. Adjusted for population Sweden would only have 6468 deaths. That one is a significant improvement.

Spain: Currently has 327 k confirmed cases with a population of 46.94 million.

If Sweden had the population of Spain they would have 382 k cases. If Spain had the population of Sweden they would have had 71,000 cases. Hardly what I would call a resounding success. Deaths, Spain has 28,581. Adjusted for population Sweden would have 26,493. Not a huge improvement, but better.
You maybe right but I won't make conclusion like this until it is over. One issue for me is that you are comparing absolute numbers in absolute time. I know that is not how I would draw my own conclusion. I just looked up data of Belgium and Sweden via Google. I see Sweden has only one peak and they have passed the peak. Belgium has one major peak and now there is a surge and another peak. There is even a beach riot made the news. This is not something you account for in your evaluation. I understand it if you view lives in absolute term that it is above all but for me I will take into account that others may not view things my way.

Until you two can quantify liberty / freedom and lives and agree to the same formula, you probably will never agree with each other.

My read is that Sweden actually has a long term view. They think government can't lockdown people forever and it is not sustainable that is why they make the choice they made. They already admitted that they should have protected nursing home better to reduce the deaths. They made some mistakes but that does not mean their choice is wrong if you can view it in the sense that freedom equal to live. I understand your point if you think live is above all.

JjBee62
08-13-20, 15:00
Great! Now compare to Stockholm to Lima. I need a laugh.One of your problems, and the list is a long one, is your inability to establish any solid point of reference. Or, to simplify it, you are constantly moving the goal posts. It's a logical fallacy, which I and others have pointed out to you many times. It's unethical and kinda a chickenshit thing, but we've all come to expect that type of behavior from you.

For example, all according to you, COVID was not as bad as the flu, it wasn't as bad as an average flu season, it wasn't as bad as the worst, recent flu season, was no worse than the worst, recent flu season, wasn't as bad as the Spanish flu pandemic and now the experts were completely wrong for initially treating it like a serious flu outbreak.

Or we can go back to Sweden. You chirped like momma just snowballed you with a partially digested worm about Sweden until I pointed out how badly they fared compared to the rest of the world. After hiding from the facts for a few days you came back pointing out 3 of the 6 countries in Europe which did worse. When shown that long-term they may not fare better, you move the goalposts to a comparison of Lima and Stockholm.

Okay. Let's play another round of "ElAnus makes himself look like an idiot because he can't do math."

Stockholm population: 975,900.

Lima population: 9.75 million.

I'm going to fudge those numbers just a bit and say Lima has 10 times as many people as Stockholm. It's what we used to call RadCon math. Don't worry, it's not something you could ever understand.

Stockholm Number of Cases: 23,101.

Stockholm Number of Deaths: 2,384.

Lima Number of Cases: 227 k.

Lima Number of Deaths: 9138.

Multiply Stockholm's numbers by 10 and we get.

Cases adjusted for population: 231 k.

Deaths adjusted for population: 23,840.

Could you step a bit closer to the microphone? I'm having trouble hearing your laughter over the guffaws of everyone who is busting up over you making the same stupid mistake 3 times in a row.

JjBee62
08-13-20, 18:48
You maybe right but I won't make conclusion like this until it is over. One issue for me is that you are comparing absolute numbers in absolute time. I know that is not how I would draw my own conclusion. I just looked up data of Belgium and Sweden via Google. I see Sweden has only one peak and they have passed the peak. Belgium has one major peak and now there is a surge and another peak. There is even a beach riot made the news. This is not something you account for in your evaluation. I understand it if you view lives in absolute term that it is above all but for me I will take into account that others may not view things my way.

Until you two can quantify liberty / freedom and lives and agree to the same formula, you probably will never agree with each other.

My read is that Sweden actually has a long term view. They think government can't lockdown people forever and it is not sustainable that is why they make the choice they made. They already admitted that they should have protected nursing home better to reduce the deaths. They made some mistakes but that does not mean their choice is wrong if you can view it in the sense that freedom equal to live. I understand your point if you think live is above all.Yes. Looking strictly at the numbers is a simplistic view. Consider my audience.

The problem with Sweden's approach, and the approach many have been insisting the US and other countries follow is it never considered aftereffects of the disease. At this point we still don't have enough information. Is the organ damage which has been detected permanent? Does it increase risks for other life-threatening conditions?

Where are we in a year if we learn that former covid patients are much more susceptible to pneumonia? Where are we if we see a significant spike in kidney failure or liver disease? Strokes, encephalitis, meningitis. These are all possibilities which Sweden didn't consider.

As you said before, erring on the side of caution tends to be the best approach.

Nobody, or I should say nobody who is sane, suggests a permanent shutdown. A shutdown is only needed until the case load is manageable and the resources are available to attack any outbreak and isolate it. That's where New Zealand is now. As soon as a case pops up, they take action.

Until a vaccine is available, that's the route which gives the best outcome. IMO.

GeneHickman
08-14-20, 05:25
Yes. Looking strictly at the numbers is a simplistic view. Consider my audience.

The problem with Sweden's approach, and the approach many have been insisting the US and other countries follow is it never considered aftereffects of the disease. At this point we still don't have enough information. Is the organ damage which has been detected permanent? Does it increase risks for other life-threatening conditions?

Where are we in a year if we learn that former covid patients are much more susceptible to pneumonia? Where are we if we see a significant spike in kidney failure or liver disease? Strokes, encephalitis, meningitis. These are all possibilities which Sweden didn't consider.

As you said before, erring on the side of caution tends to be the best approach.

Nobody, or I should say nobody who is sane, suggests a permanent shutdown. A shutdown is only needed until the case load is manageable and the resources are available to attack any outbreak and isolate it. That's where New Zealand is now. As soon as a case pops up, they take action.

Until a vaccine is available, that's the route which gives the best outcome. IMO.Whilst you won't find me arguing against a sane approach to disease containment, I am also of the view that opening of the economy in a sensible and structured manner was correct. The fallout of this pandemic is going to be felt generationally in much of the world. Finding some way to minimize it was appropriate. Why the mask mandate, social distancing and a phased rollout over a 8-12 wk peiod studying resurgence was not implemented I will never know. Why in a country that mastered mass production lines we can get as many tests as we damn well want and need I don't know. All these are needed tools to open up.

In the end however, the human body is a marvel of engineering. Though the after effects can't be predicted, most pathogens especially resporatory ones, once cleared by the human immune system do not leave long lasting ill effects. So on that point I don't think there is too much concern. But yeah its been a bad year all around. Countries that basked in the glory of controlling it, are facing their own outbreaks in a delayed fashion. This thing will unrelentingly exact its pound of flesh economically it would seem.

Elvis 2008
08-14-20, 06:37
One of your problems, and the list is a long one, is your inability to establish any solid point of reference. Or, to simplify it, you are constantly moving the goal posts. It's a logical fallacy, which I and others have pointed out to you many times. It's unethical and kinda a chickenshit thing, but we've all come to expect that type of behavior from you.

Or we can go back to Sweden. You chirped like momma just snowballed you with a partially digested worm about Sweden until I pointed out how badly they fared compared to the rest of the world. After hiding from the facts for a few days you came back pointing out 3 of the 6 countries in Europe which did worse. When shown that long-term they may not fare better, you move the goalposts to a comparison of Lima and Stockholm.

Okay. Let's play another round of "ElAnus makes himself look like an idiot because he can't do math."Oh, I can do math just fine.


I'm going to fudge those numbers just a bit and say Lima has 10 times as many people as Stockholm. It's what we used to call RadCon math. Don't worry, it's not something you could ever understand.Why not? You made them up last time I talked about Lima? Remember 3 days ago?


The population of Lima is 10.5 million.

Lima has had 19,684 cases.And now here you are today.


Lima population: 9.75 million.

Lima Number of Cases: 227 k.Wait, did Lima get 207,000 cases of Covid and 750,000 people die in two days? Or are you just a fucking moron, Mr. Math Whiz?


Could you step a bit closer to the microphone? I'm having trouble hearing your laughter over the guffaws of everyone who is busting up over you making the same stupid mistake 3 times in a row.So let us see who is laughing now. You are an arrogant asshole who cannot read, lacks common sense, who cannot do math, who completely missed the point on the comparison of Cusco to Lima because you are so sure that you are right about everything, and was so lacking in common sense you could not even see it when I set you up.

Hey JJBee, did you know the word gullible is not in the dictionary? Maybe you should look it up and prove me wrong.

What I have been trying to tell you Mr. Math Whiz is that if you have even one data point off, and the Covid numbers are hardly accurate, you can make incredibly foolish conclusions. There is old Wall Street adage. Numbers do not lie. People do. My corollary is Number do not lie, but people lie about numbers.

Maybe if you get your head out of your ass, you will see the wisdom in that.

Elvis 2008
08-14-20, 07:17
Until you two can quantify liberty / freedom and lives and agree to the same formula, you probably will never agree with each other.

My read is that Sweden actually has a long term view. They think government can't lockdown people forever and it is not sustainable that is why they make the choice they made. They already admitted that they should have protected nursing home better to reduce the deaths. They made some mistakes but that does not mean their choice is wrong if you can view it in the sense that freedom equal to live. I understand your point if you think live is above all.Wow, Nounce, you got both sides of the issue, good for you. I am impressed.

It is not a question of what I or anyone else thinks. Sweden did its own formula of freedom, lives saved, and money lost due to an economic shutdown, and they were very open about it. They projected 4000 deaths and had close to 6000, but that number was higher mostly because as you said they had a lousy policy in nursing homes.

It is funny how Sweden is so open to ridicule but everyone else in Europe was perfect.

What will be interesting going forward is seeing if Sweden's open policy protects them as the virus seems to be heading back into Europe.

Generalized lock downs do work destroying the economies but as far as preventing the spread of the virus, I am not seeing that at all. Some places that locked down are doing great; others are doing horribly.

What bugs me is Sweden seems to be the only one I see re calibrating with regards to what works and what does not, and I think they are asking their citizens to sacrifice the right amount, and they seem to have a plan.

In the USA, there seems to be no plan. First, it was flatten the curve. Then it was "we need more ventilators". Then it was "We need to open things up" then "We shouldn't have opened things up, let's close things again" and then, "We are going to have live with this until we get a vaccine" and now it is "The vaccines are not that great."

That is what is so frustrating to people like me. It is almost like the plan is we are going to muck things up until November and then we will tell everyone like they are being told in Sweden, "Yeah, guys, you are just going to have to live with the virus," and the press will quit reporting on it day after day.

I bet Corona Virus will be like the opioid crisis. Trump gets elected, and 95% of the reporting on that crisis went away, and the death numbers are as bad now as they ever were. If Biden wins, I think the same thing happens with the news with Covid.

JjBee62
08-14-20, 09:31
Oh, I can do math just fine.

Why not? You made them up last time I talked about Lima? Remember 3 days ago?

And now here you are today.

Wait, did Lima get 207,000 cases of Covid and 750,000 people die in two days? Or are you just a fucking moron, Mr. Math Whiz?

So let us see who is laughing now. You are an arrogant asshole who cannot read, lacks common sense, who cannot do math, who completely missed the point on the comparison of Cusco to Lima because you are so sure that you are right about everything, and was so lacking in common sense you could not even see it when I set you up.

Hey JJBee, did you know the word gullible is not in the dictionary? Maybe you should look it up and prove me wrong..Well it took me a few to figure that one out. It would have been quicker if you knew how to correctly quote. Both of your quotes, link back to me same post. Idiot. However, because I like to be thorough, I found the correct post.


Finally, let's talk about Cusco, Peru.

The population of Cusco is 428,000.

The population of Lima is 10.5 million.

Cusco has had 6,879 cases.

Lima has had 19,684 cases.

More math fun coming up, or as I like to call it "Elvis is going to start avoiding any mention of Peru after this."

Lima has 24.5 times as many people as Cusco.

Lima has 2. 86 times as many cases as Cusco..Here's what happened:

I fucked up. I screwed the pooch, dicked the donkey, I made a mistake. While scrolling through the Peru data, looking for Cusco, I spotted Lima Region and grabbed those numbers. What I should have grabbed was Lima Province.

The population difference was due to the order in which search results came back. The population of 9. 75 million is outdated. The 2019 population was 10.5 million. Let's correct my error here.

Adjusted for population Cusco would have 168,500 cases versus 227,000 for Lima. While it's a significant deviation, it's hardly the "tiny fraction" you claimed. If you compare Seattle to Des Moines you'll get a larger discrepancy.

Which brings us to your request to compare Stockholm to Lima. Here is my post, again properly quoted:


One of your problems, and the list is a long one, is your inability to establish any solid point of reference. Or, to simplify it, you are constantly moving the goal posts. It's a logical fallacy, which I and others have pointed out to you many times. It's unethical and kinda a chickenshit thing, but we've all come to expect that type of behavior from you.

For example, all according to you, COVID was not as bad as the flu, it wasn't as bad as an average flu season, it wasn't as bad as the worst, recent flu season, was no worse than the worst, recent flu season, wasn't as bad as the Spanish flu pandemic and now the experts were completely wrong for initially treating it like a serious flu outbreak.

Or we can go back to Sweden. You chirped like momma just snowballed you with a partially digested worm about Sweden until I pointed out how badly they fared compared to the rest of the world. After hiding from the facts for a few days you came back pointing out 3 of the 6 countries in Europe which did worse. When shown that long-term they may not fare better, you move the goalposts to a comparison of Lima and Stockholm.

Okay. Let's play another round of "ElAnus makes himself look like an idiot because he can't do math."

Stockholm population: 975,900.

Lima population: 9.75 million.

I'm going to fudge those numbers just a bit and say Lima has 10 times as many people as Stockholm. It's what we used to call RadCon math. Don't worry, it's not something you could ever understand..Now all we have to do is correct the population of Lima. Unfortunately, it just makes your inability to understand math more apparent.

Stockholm: Population 975,900, Cases 23,101 Deaths 2384.

Lima: Population 10.5 million Cases 227 k, Deaths 9,138.

Stockholm adjusted to Lima's population.

Cases 248,550.

Deaths 25,650.

Once again I will ask you to address this. You seem to be saying that Sweden's approach produced much better results for Stockholm than Peru's approach achieved for Lima. That is clearly not the case at this time. The numbers don't lie, as you said. Are you going to lie about the numbers? Or will you instead spend the next week talking only about the mistake which I admitted to?

I think we all know the answer, since you have not one time responded to any of the data which flies in the face of your hair-brained conspiracy theories.

Elvis 2008
08-14-20, 21:28
I fucked up. I screwed the pooch, dicked the donkey, I made a mistake. While scrolling through the Peru data, looking for Cusco, I spotted Lima Region and grabbed those numbers.Yes keep going.


Adjusted for population Cusco would have 168,500 cases versus 227,000 for Lima. While it's a significant deviation, it's hardly the "tiny fraction" you claimed. And you still do not get the point. You keep fucking with numbers that have already been calculated. All you are interested in is showing off your shitty and irrelecant "math skills".


Now all we have to do is correct the population of Lima. You seem to be saying that Sweden's approach produced much better results for Stockholm than Peru's approach achieved for Lima. That is clearly not the case at this time. The numbers don't lie, as you said. Are you going to lie about the numbers?God, you are dumb. I only wanted you to compare the two so I could catch you being an idiot.


I think we all know the answer, since you have not one time responded to any of the data which flies in the face of your hair-brained conspiracy theories.It is not a conspiracy theory when the NYTimes openly admits what they are doing: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html.

The article is titled: Let's call it Trump Virus. In fact, the media, which is upwards of 90% Democrat, has been doing it all can to pin the virus and its spread on Trump, and it has worked.

The UK Telegraph explained the possible and best actions of all government in this incredibly well written piece:

So now we know: Sweden got it largely right, and the British establishment catastrophically wrong. Anders Tegnell, Stockholm's epidemiologist-king, has pulled off a remarkable triple whammy: far fewer deaths per capita than Britain, a maintenance of basic freedoms and opportunities, including schooling, and, most strikingly, a recession less than half as severe as our own.

Our arrogant quangocrats and state "experts" should hang their heads in shame: their reaction to coronavirus was one of the greatest public policy blunders in modern history, more severe even than Iraq, Afghanistan, the financial crisis, Suez or the ERM fiasco. Millions will lose their jobs when furlough ends; tens of thousands of small businesses are failing; schooling is in chaos, with A-level grades all over the place; vast numbers are likely to die from untreated or undetected illnesses; and we have seen the first exodus of foreigners in years, with the labour market survey suggesting a decline in non-UK born adults.

Pandemics always come with large economic and social costs, for reasons of altruism as well as of self-interest. The only way to contain the spread of a deadly, contagious disease, in the absence of a cure or vaccine, is to social distance; fear and panic inevitably kick in, as the public desperately seeks to avoid catching the virus. A "voluntary" recession is almost guaranteed.

But if a drop in GDP is unavoidable, governments can influence its size and scale. Politicians can react in one of three ways to a pandemic. They can do nothing, and allow the disease to rip until herd immunity is reached. Quite rightly, no government has pursued this policy, out of fear of mass deaths and total social and economic collapse.

The second approach involves imposing proportionate restrictions to facilitate social distancing, banning certain sorts of gatherings while encouraging and informing the public. The Swedes pursued a version of this centrist strategy: there was a fair bit of compulsion, but also a focus on retaining normal life and keeping schools open. The virus was taken very seriously, but there was no formal lockdown. Tegnell is one of the few genuine heroes of this crisis: he identified the correct trade-offs.

The third option is the full-on statist approach, which imposes a legally binding lockdown and shuts down society. Such a blunderbuss approach may be right under certain circumstances if a vaccine is imminent or for some viruses for example, if we are ever hit with one that targets children and comes with a much higher fatality rate but the latest economic and mortality statistics suggest this wasn't so for Covid-19.

Almost all economists thought that Sweden's economy would suffer hugely from its idiosyncratic strategy. They were wrong. Sweden's GDP fell by just 8. 6 per cent in the first half of the year, all in the second quarter, and its excess deaths jumped 24 per cent. A big part of Sweden's recession was caused by a slump in demand for its exports from its fully locked-down neighbours. One could speculate that had all countries pursued a Swedish-style strategy, the economic hit could have been worth no more than 3-4 per cent of GDP. That could be seen as the core cost of the virus under a sensible policy reaction.

By contrast, Britain's economy slumped by 22.2 per cent in the first half of the year, a performance almost three times as bad as Sweden's, and its excess deaths shot up by 45 per cent. Spain's national income slumped even more (22.7 per cent), and France's (down 18.9 per cent) and Italy's (down 17.1 per cent) slightly less, but all three also suffered far greater per capita excess deaths than Sweden. The Swedes allowed the virus to spread in care homes, so if that major failure had been fixed, their death rate could have been a lot lower still.

End of link. To Americans like you JJBee, even though people in the UK are admitting they fucked up with a lockdown, you cannot admit to anything. It is telling to me that no one in the USA can write a piece like this. We are all supposed to be cheerleading Fauci when he acts like a complete idiot in public. To hold him accountable for acting like an idiot is taking him out of context or allowing the virus to spread. Anyone who opposes boneheaded US action is heading up a conspiracy theory whereas in the UK it is intelligent dissent. How the fuck did that happen?

As for Cusco and Lima, the reason I brought that up is to show how your parameters are skewed. With you and your fellow libtards, all that matters are public policies, death, and cases. This is not a mathematical calculation but a political one. Fuck the GDP. Fuck the unemployed, the airlines, the hair stylists. Fuck those who are depressed or being beaten at home, and we are making all these sacrifices for a virus that has a mortality rate some have calculated is only twice as deadly as the flu.

The problem with you and your libtard score card is that there are other factors at work: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7175867/.

As I said before, given my data analysis, there likely were and are other environmental factors at work. This is just one of them.

And instead of you even bothering to look up mutations, you accused me of making them up.

https://www.biospace.com/article/mutated-covid-19-viral-strain-in-us-and-europe-much-more-contagious/

Mutated COVID-19 Viral Strain in USA And Europe 10 Times More Contagious than Original Strain.

That kind of destroys the notion that the governments in Thailand and New Zealand were so much more on the ball than the USA.

And this is not even the whole story, there are different strains percentage wise in each continent. The point is your "math skills" are stupid because you are only putting in three variables when there are a lot more at work.

As for what I am saying, we have two proposed solutions at present, and both are flawed: herd immunity and a vaccine. Neither are going to work.

What is going to happen is someone in leadership is going to pronounce that the overreaction to the virus was worse than the virus itself which is pretty much what the UK piece said. The leader will pronounce that we are just going to need to live with the virus and go about our lives and propose what Sweden is already doing: targeted quarantines and masks in crowded situations when there is prolonged exposure. And you wait. All of a sudden the family dinner is going to be mentioned as a much bigger threat with the virus than social distancing for 2 minutes at Walmart.

And when is that announcement going to take place? Well, given my conspiracy buff ways, I predict with 90% certainty that such an announcement, which could made very easily right now, will be made after the 2020 election.

LatinaLover#1
11-12-20, 21:39
As soon as Biden takes over he will enforce a total mask law and an entire nationwide lockdown. You got about 2 months before the pussy disappears again.

DramaFree11
11-13-20, 00:17
As soon as Biden takes over he will enforce a total mask law and an entire nationwide lockdown. You got about 2 months before the pussy disappears again.Yep, I am afraid you are correct. We need the Vaccine ASAP.

YippieKayay
11-13-20, 00:42
Yep, I am afraid you are correct. We need the Vaccine ASAP.Yes, Biden will enforce lockdown in Bogota.

Why is this Facebook meme crap in this thread to begin with?

JjBee62
11-13-20, 01:49
Yes, Biden will enforce lockdown in Bogota.

Why is this Facebook meme crap in this thread to begin with?Because the world is coming to an end. The deep state is going to infect us all with a deadly virus which is a complete hoax so they can sneak microchips into everyone and control our thoughts and make us buy cheap crap from China in order to overthrow America and keep us from buying Magnum condoms.

Or something like that.

GauntMan
11-14-20, 06:55
Because the world is coming to an end. The deep state is going to infect us all with a deadly virus which is a complete hoax so they can sneak microchips into everyone and control our thoughts and make us buy cheap crap from China in order to overthrow America and keep us from buying Magnum condoms.

Or something like that.That depends on what the summit between the Reptilians, Annunakis and Grays agree.

MarquisdeSade1
11-15-20, 00:42
Absolutely not true. Lmao😂128514;128514;.

A girl is selling her body to make $$ because she has to. This is not her first choice in life nor is it something she is proud of. It's strictly for money.

These girls want $$$ nothing more. And on the other end wtf do we care to care about her emotions or feelings. If that's the case then we wouldn't fuck any of these girls cause they all have sob stories.

This is just another of many examples of just hating on others. That's all it is.

Look at Blakmans post he keeps it real. He pays minimum and there's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't make him any less susceptible to bad things happening.

The fact is more $$ you spend in this business girls will want your repeat business and do whatever it takes to keep you happy.

That's common sense.Sang the truth is the truth is the truth whether you accept it or not.

I've been around, I have studied this phenomenon, mongers like you delude themselves into thinking that when they get fleeced, they didn't get fleeced, they are ballin.

Read njoeans post in cdmx yesterday, that's what happens to mongers like you.

A girl is selling her body to make $$ because she has to. This is not her first choice in life nor is it something she is proud of. It's strictly for money.

These girls want $$$ nothing more.

A) many hookers love sex and eazy money so you are wrong again.

B) her 1st choice in life? I'm guessing it is the best choice for most.

C) strictly for the money? I'm sure you would like to believe that lie, then why do some hookers fuck me for free, when I never ask for it for free?

D) these girls want nothing but money? Keep lying to yourself but it won't make it true bro.

Abraham Lincoln. Quote - Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt. It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid.

MarquisdeSade1
11-15-20, 00:51
The one girl I paid 150 deserved 30 mil And the girl I just gave gifts, deserved 200 mil. Also Its like the more you show you like them the more they try to take advantage..But I have found the most uneducated and poor people in the world find generosity a weakness to be exploited not a virtue to be respected.

This is not a criticism of them but rather just an observation, are there outliers? Of course.

But more often than not this is the case, it is no different in USA or Europe (sorry romies you are guilty as charged) or Latin America.

Balboa
11-15-20, 02:47
I have found most putas respect the guy that pays less, this is a generalization of course, the greediest ones (the sharks won't) but in my experience the less I offer, the less I pay, the more I get literally and figuratively, but go ahead and pay more than you have to and believe this if you want, but I seriously doubt grown men here with healthy self esteem will agree.
That's actually funny to me, Lol.

The girls respect more the guys that pay less.

Ok.

So, don't be nice. It doesn't pay off.

Pay as little as possible, which will in turn, gain their respect.

Ok.

Well, unfortunately I broke both of those ISG rules today, LOL.

Met a new Vennie in Botero today.

And damn if she's not my new favorite!

I approached her, spoke nicely, invited her to drink a juice with me.

Asked her about Venezuela, her time in Medellin, etc.

I got her number, gave her a few pesos for her time, and simpatia.

I was on my way to meet up with another Vennie I had met a couple days ago.

However, my senses said to me, you got to take this girl now.

I texted the other Vennie, told her I'd be a little late.

I took the new Vennie over to a motel at the end of Veracruz.

Paid 12 k for an hours time in the room.

Never talked money with the new Vennie, and neither did she.

I was nice to her though, Lol.

I got a call I had to take as soon as we got in the room.

She was cool.

Helped me undress.

She started a nice BBBJ, with nice carios on my chest, etc.

After the call ended, maybe 10 min, she wanted to fuck.

Like really.

I was her BF for the next 30-40 min.

My best so far this trip, and that's saying a lot.

Cause they've all been great so far!

We finished up, cleaned up, I asked her what she normally charges.

She said 30 k.

I know she won't respect me anymore, and that now I've ruined Medellin and the mongering world for
eternity, but I gave her 60 k.

She deserved it. About an hour together and she was incredible.

Also, I was wearing a t-shirt when I met her.

Another broken rule, Lol.

What can I say?

I'm a rule breaker.

Enjoy!

MarquisdeSade1
11-15-20, 04:47
That's actually funny to me, Lol.

The girls respect more the guys that pay less.

Ok.

So, don't be nice. It doesn't pay off.

Pay as little as possible, which will in turn, gain their respect.

Ok.

Well, unfortunately I broke both of those ISG rules today, LOL.

Met a new Vennie in Botero today.

And damn if she's not my new favorite!

I approached her, spoke nicely, invited her to drink a juice with me.If you want to goto Botero and pay 2-3 x market rate, or what BM or I would pay.

Why don't you just go where it's more expensive and spend your money?

Why do you and others insist on finding the cheapest places and then try to drive the prices up? I don't get it.

Rule breaker? Sounds like its something else?

MarquisdeSade1
11-15-20, 07:04
I can not tell a mf what to do or what not to do. I can not tell a mf how to act or how not to act. I can not tell a mf what to pay or what not to pay. I can not tell a mf what to wear or what not to wear.

It may take some guys buttering a chick up. It may take some guys putting on their Sunday best. It may take some guys paying way more than other guys. It may take some guys bringing hookers gifts besides money.

All I can say is that I am just myself and I get great results just being me. No special nothing. Just plain old me. If you are trying to make yourself into something that you are not then it probably will not work anyway. Like when I tried to make myself into a married guy. That lasted all of 2 years. No fights or arguments or anything like that, but I could no longer fool myself. I am a player. That is just my personality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL23nJI4_Q8

FlowState985
11-15-20, 07:36
My physician says eating pussy can cause throat cancer, HPV.

He is an HIV expert, he's a smart dude so I listen to him.

He says eating puta pussy is even higher risk, Eddie Van Halen just died of throat cancer, did he eat too much vagina?

Too many slutty vaginas? Michael Douglas had throat cancer I believe I read at the time they said it was from HPV.

Proceed accordingly.Guess I got to start eating ass now.

JjBee62
11-15-20, 13:30
If you want to goto Botero and pay 2-3 x market rate, or what BM or I would pay.

Why don't you just go where it's more expensive and spend your money?

Why do you and others insist on finding the cheapest places and then try to drive the prices up? I don't get it.

Rule breaker? Sounds like its something else?Let's see. There's 1 Balboa, occasionally paying what amounts to 2, 30 k, 30 minute sessions for a 1 hour session, versus 50,000 Colombians paying 20-30 k for 30 minute sessions. Yes I can see how all the girls in El Centro are going to drop all their customers and hope to catch Balboa's eye.

Damn you Balboa!

BTW I gave a taxi driver a 350 peso tip last night, because I already have too many coins. I'm pretty sure that tomorrow everyone will be required to pay double for their taxis.

Sorry.

Elvis 2008
11-15-20, 16:37
But I have found the most uneducated and poor people in the world find generosity a weakness to be exploited not a virtue to be respected.

This is not a criticism of them but rather just an observation, are there outliers? Of course.

But more often than not this is the case, it is no different in USA or Europe (sorry romies you are guilty as charged) or Latin America.I totally agree with that. You want to negotiate down in El Centro or Santa Fe that is cool. I found with lower class employees that incentives did nothing for them but threatening to fire them did. However, you try that crap with higher educated and classier people, you will get nowhere. That is where incentives rule. That is probably why I like seeking so much. You have access to higher class women where incentives to perform do work though not all the time. That may be a better definition of a working girl than anything I have read: a working girl balks at generosity but women who take money from men and appreciate the money and the generosity are sugar babies.

MarquisdeSade1
11-15-20, 18:50
Guess I got to start eating ass now.Get your Hep vaccines updated LOL.

Or maybe do like me several years back I recd a series of HPV vaccines (Gardasil) and I'm 53 yo now.

And keep my clit licking to a minimum, espec with P4 .

MarquisdeSade1
11-15-20, 19:16
That's actually funny to me, Lol.

The girls respect more the guys that pay less.

Ok.

So, don't be nice. It doesn't pay off.

Pay as little as possible, which will in turn, gain their respect.

Ok.

Well, unfortunately I broke both of those ISG rules today, LOL.

Met a new Vennie in Botero today.

And damn if she's not my new favorite!

I approached her, spoke nicely, invited her to drink a juice with me.Please post her photo or send to me in PM, so I can find her ASAP and give her 15000 for a TLN or better yet have her pay me 30000 to offset the damage done to the market price.

Kib123
11-15-20, 19:17
But I have found the most uneducated and poor people in the world find generosity a weakness to be exploited not a virtue to be respected.

This is not a criticism of them but rather just an observation, are there outliers? Of course.

But more often than not this is the case, it is no different in USA or Europe (sorry romies you are guilty as charged) or Latin America.Perhaps well meaning, but comes out as condescending and not entirely accurate. I would argue "exploiting generosity" is more frequent among the upper classes. The poor just do it with lesser finesse, which makes it easier to spot, and ironically, avoid.

MarquisdeSade1
11-15-20, 19:18
I totally agree with that. You want to negotiate down in El Centro or Santa Fe that is cool. I found with lower class employees that incentives did nothing for them but threatening to fire them did. However, you try that crap with higher educated and classier people, you will get nowhere. That is where incentives rule. That is probably why I like seeking so much. You have access to higher class women where incentives to perform do work though not all the time. That may be a better definition of a working girl than anything I have read: a working girl balks at generosity but women who take money from men and appreciate the money and the generosity are sugar babies.Amen Preacher.

Mr Enternational
11-15-20, 21:55
Perhaps well meaning, but comes out as condescending and not entirely accurate. I would argue "exploiting generosity" is more frequent among the upper classes. The poor just do it with lesser finesse, which makes it easier to spot, and ironically, avoid.So you are saying that is how we get our Ken Lays and Bernie Madoffs? We know the guy on the street corner playing 3 card monte or the shell game is only there to screw somebody out of money.

MarquisdeSade1
11-15-20, 22:27
So you are saying that is how we get our Ken Lays and Bernie Madoffs? We know the guy on the street corner playing 3 card monte or the shell game is only there to screw somebody out of money.They exploited avarice not generosity, they weren't running non profits.

Balboa
11-16-20, 00:09
If you want to goto Botero and pay 2-3 x market rate, or what BM or I would pay.

Why don't you just go where it's more expensive and spend your money?

Why do you and others insist on finding the cheapest places and then try to drive the prices up? I don't get it.

Rule breaker? Sounds like its something else?Read JjB's post below a few times.

Then get back to me, LOL.

I'm not really over paying, just seems like it, I almost always stay for an hour. Couple pops of fun, etc.

I'm not trying to, and I'm not ruining your world.
I just like to build a little rapport, hang a little longer, enjoy the illusion and the sex a bit more.
I guess I could negotiate down to 50 k, instead of 60 k, but Ill save that for the real negotiators.

Kib123
11-16-20, 06:17
So you are saying that is how we get our Ken Lays and Bernie Madoffs? We know the guy on the street corner playing 3 card monte or the shell game is only there to screw somebody out of money.Yep, same concept.

Zeos1
01-01-21, 17:19
Any idea when they will stop requiring masks? Can't find anything online. Thanks.When the virus goes away. And you won't find that online.

BigButtDetecto
01-01-21, 18:03
Now that's bizarre.

I can understand not traveling at this time. Crowded airports and full airplanes, regardless of air travel industry studies, seem like an added risk. I can understand wanting to wait for the vaccine, or avoiding the obvious potential exposure represented by mongering.

I just can't imagine dropping all your plans solely over having to wear a quarter ounce worth of paper on your face.I personally feel safer when people around me wear mask. Just my opinion.

BigButtDetecto
01-01-21, 18:07
I already had the covid vaccine but I will still wear a mask in consideration for the vulnerable people down the road.

ExpatLover
01-01-21, 19:36
I already had the covid vaccine but I will still wear a mask in consideration for the vulnerable people down the road.Because you believe the vaccine is efficient? Don t be so nave the vaccine must be politically efficient, probably it will be so efficient as the normal flue vaccine. We all know a lot of people who got the flue despite getting the flue vaccine. In the contract between Pfister and Europe Pfister ask Europe to pay for all the side effects of the vaccine this demonstrate how confident they are with their product: take it easy and protect yourself.

Elvis 2008
01-01-21, 22:36
Any idea when they will stop requiring masks? Can't find anything online. Thanks.First off, Colombia has much higher compliance with mask wearing than the USA. I will try not to get in the Republican-Democrat BS but I remember Jon Stewart doing a bit on his show about steroids in baseball and how one side was like "steroids are awful" and the other side was like "steroids are not that bad." Sadly, Covid has been hit with the stupid red-blue bug.

Remember that stuff about scientists and "essential" businesses? Well, according to this study, 75% or so of cases are spread at home, so the "scientists" and the Democrats who rallied behind the stay safe, stay at home slogan were full of it. https://ny.eater.com/2020/12/11/22169841/restaurants-and-bars-coronavirus-spread-data-new-york.

Angry at many small businesses shutting down, Republicans shouted down the Democrats and "scientists" and attacked the use of masks which outside of isolation is probably the most effective way to stop the spread of Covid.

So the ultimate worst super spreader event is the family dinner. I cannot tell you how many fucking people I have seen who have gotten sick with Covid after Thanksgiving, but the pols with the courage to tackle this issue were shouted down and some stupid ones were seen hypocritically having their own family dinners. I expect Covid cases to hit their absolute peak a few weeks from now because of Christmas dinners and get together.

While some Republican leaning press outlets were publishing paranoid statistics about the number of people refusing to take the Covid vaccine, a buddy of mine went out to get his injection a few days ago and there were literally a thousand people out in the rain in 30 degree weather waiting to get a vaccine. He got an appointment for the injection, showed up and was told they ran out of vaccine.

People I work with have been getting Covid vaccines not at hospitals but at supermarkets! So I called around for my injection and finally found a supermarket willing to put me on a waiting list. Most people got the Pfizer vaccine but I know someone who got the Moderna vaccine. I know no one who personally has had an issue with the vaccine.

One of the things that people do not understand is the strange dynamic between government employees and contractors. When the government contracts out, you can get amazing things like the rapid development of the Covid vaccine which is if not a miracle damn near close to one.

On the flip side, you have government employees. A very good friend of mine is in the shipping business, and I am like dude, why is everyone out of the fucking vaccine now? He said the logistical end of transporting the vaccine is a nightmare but he and companies like his have been up to the challenge, yet he claimed the government employees in charge of distributing the vaccine are pussies. They do not want to be criticized for giving one group vaccines and not to another. Then amazingly, he said that government people have deferred decision making until after the holidays. Meanwhile, he is putting in 20 hour days around the clock this holiday season.

There has been a little bit of fire lit under the butts of these government dickheads but it has not hit full steam yet, and I think this coming week it sure will. Once attention is called to these government dickhead fence sitters, and they get their butts moving, the contractors will get going. I have full faith in the manufacturers like Pfizer and Moderna, in shipping companies like with my buddy and his colleagues, and the hospitals, pharmacies, and doctor's offices with regards to injecting the vaccine which is free by the way. It would not surprise me to see 20 million Americans vaccinated by the end of this month.

My understanding is that 50% of people have Covid antibodies a few weeks after the first dose. The second vaccine can be given 3 to 4 weeks after the first and you can see around 90% of people with antibodies a few weeks after that.

As much as I and others who are near me have been exposed to Covid, the antibody rate has been stunningly low. My complete guesstimate is that around one in ten people who think they may have had Covid has had it, so most people definitely need the vaccine.

I do not know when the masks will be gone in Colombia, but it would not surprise me at all to see that the legal mandatory mask wearing to be abolished by the end of 2021 for both the USA and Colombia if the vaccine works as well as predicted.

My main concern was how well the vaccine would work and how compliant people would be in getting it, but there seems to be no resistance now. Anyone saying Covid is a hoax now is being shouted down. The people scared of the vaccine are way outnumbered by the people scared of Covid.

Covid has shown some of the worst of mankind, but when you look at the speed with which the vaccine is being produced and distributed, it has also shown mankind at its best.

Turgid
01-02-21, 13:46
Now that's bizarre.

I can understand not traveling at this time. Crowded airports and full airplanes, regardless of air travel industry studies, seem like an added risk. I can understand wanting to wait for the vaccine, or avoiding the obvious potential exposure represented by mongering.

I just can't imagine dropping all your plans solely over having to wear a quarter ounce worth of paper on your face.You may not be aware but the requirement for wearing of masks is to restrict the spreading of covid 19. For your information a country that requires its inhabitants to wear a mask does so to restrict the spreading of a virus. If a country then decides that the population is no longer required to wear masks it means that the danger of the spread of the virus has subsided which is when I would decide to travel to that country.

JjBee62
01-02-21, 14:40
You may not be aware but the requirement for wearing of masks is to restrict the spreading of covid 19. For your information a country that requires its inhabitants to wear a mask does so to restrict the spreading of a virus. If a country then decides that the population is no longer required to wear masks it means that the danger of the spread of the virus has subsided which is when I would decide to travel to that country.Why yes, I am aware that mask requirements have been put in place as a preventative measure against the spread of COVID-19. However, the removal of a mask mandate, or other restrictions doesn't (unfortunately) mean the spread of the disease has subsided. It merely means the local politicians have made a decision. In an ideal world those decisions would be made correctly and at the correct time. However, we all know how that works.

BigButtDetecto
01-02-21, 19:32
Because you believe the vaccine is efficient? Don t be so nave the vaccine must be politically efficient, probably it will be so efficient as the normal flue vaccine. We all know a lot of people who got the flue despite getting the flue vaccine. In the contract between Pfister and Europe Pfister ask Europe to pay for all the side effects of the vaccine this demonstrate how confident they are with their product: take it easy and protect yourself.Most of the time the vaccine works partially; but its enough to create a "herd" immunity.

GeneHickman
01-02-21, 20:15
Most of the time the vaccine works partially; but its enough to create a "herd" immunity.This is one area the mRNA vaccines exceeded expectations. 95% efficacy is far more than even the optimists predicted. And the 5% getting it, got mild disease. Agree the longer term side effects aren't known, but can't be either, under the circumstances. Agree noone should go put themselves at risk, but purely from an odds perspective, once mRNA vaccine is in, one can be more chill. Flu vaccine varies 30-60% efficacy by year and strain and other such variables, and the chicken egg / attenuated adenovirus vaccines are coming up 60-70% efficacious v Covid also. Those maybe less protective but will and can be mass manufactured for the global masses. Their long term safety is also somewhat better known. I suspect like for flu, even for those that get it despite the shot, the shot is likely to make people get it less severely. So mortality will go way way down, this thing is here to stay, that's for sure and who knows what mutants emerge in the future or how long our immunity will last. As to whether the masses will take it, it depends, for now I think 2/3rd will take it. That maybe adequate to bring numbers down to acceptable low level noise, such that the country can fully reopen. Heck we accept 40-60k flu deaths annually, so we will learn to accept a few thousand of this too. However 350k(9mths) or 0.5M a year despite the lockdowns is unacceptable, And with a 95% vaccine its good enough to protect the takers adequately even without herd.

LatinaLover#1
01-03-21, 03:59
Gentlemen, another trip update coming in hot:

I woke up this morning feeling particularly motivated and, against my better judgment, decided to see if the casas in Chapinero were open. I figured what the hell since SF isn't going anywhere.

I took an Uber from my hotel to Chicas Milenio only to find it was closed. From there I walked south stopping at every casa until I reached La 64 (the North to South list is on Routard's Guide from 2018). Yes, you read that correctly. Every single one for a total of 19. Only two casas were open and it isn't even worth sharing because the talent was absolutely atrocious. PM me if interested both honestly not worth your time.

Refusing to give up, I hopped in another Uber and went to La Mezzanine only to find two girls working. They weren't bad. One was a solid 6. 5, had a great body and pretty face. The other was a soft 5 with a good body but not so pretty face. I almost went with the 6. 5 but, after all my efforts thus far through Chapinero, I refused to settle.

Ever more determined, I hopped in another Uber to Abadubai Spa. Ole' reliable. Except this time she wasn't so reliable as she was closed. Sad face. At this point I'm thinking, "well I'm already in the north and anything worth doing is worth overdoing. Moderation is for cowards. " So, I walked to Colorin, Isis, Lido, and Loutron. All closed. Skipped Absolut because I am not a fan of their general price to quality ratio. It is worth noting that Colorin had a sign on the door that said call for an appointment but I wasn't interested. Disclaimer: I expect Lido to be open later but I was walking by around 3 pm so the gates were closed and no guard was standing outside. Loutron was completely locked up and no one in sight.

Ever the wiser, I hopped in an Uber back to my hotel.

Before anyone says, "why didn't you call the places?" let me stop you right there. I did. Several of them. But today was about the journey, the experience, and the exercise.

Takeaways:

- My last Uber driver confirmed what other members have already said here. Most places will be closed until after January 6th. He said next weekend will be much better overall as people come back from vacation and the January 6th holiday, but many Colombians are gone through much of January. On the bright side, there is minimal traffic.

- My reliable waiter from SF the other night told me that some of the clubs will be open, so heading there later on. Report on that will come later.

- I'm going to stick to SF until next weekend because most places will be closed. Since I've done my long walk this trip, I'll be calling the places I want to visit (Abadubai and Loutron) early next week to see if they're open.

- Most importantly, I found a good place to watch football tomorrow.

Cheers,

TIA.While this time of year is normally slow the virus only enhanced the lack of talent. The PYP declared by Lopez isn't helping but I really believe a lot of the less desperate girls, especially with a kid, are less likely to take any chances catching the virus. I have a friend who danced early last year in the high end clubs in the North she told me very, very few are open during the pandemic. Face it guys, this virus has destroyed our hobby, economy and countless of lives, all over the world. EXCEPT for China! It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.

Zeos1
01-03-21, 16:05
While this time of year is normally slow the virus only enhanced the lack of talent. The PYP declared by Lopez isn't helping but I really believe a lot of the less desperate girls, especially with a kid, are less likely to take any chances catching the virus. I have a friend who danced early last year in the high end clubs in the North she told me very, very few are open during the pandemic. Face it guys, this virus has destroyed our hobby, economy and countless of lives, all over the world. EXCEPT for China! It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.China locked down, used masks, and did all the right things so that a real biological thing. A virus, could not spread. Yep, it does not take a genius to understand that. It's just basic biology.

And another certain country, who's king vacillated on whether the virus was real, and who's people cannot simply follow any health advice, got heavily infected, worse than any other nation on earth.

It does not take a genius to understand that. It's all just basic biology.

Elvis 2008
01-03-21, 18:20
As to whether the masses will take it, it depends, for now I think 2/3rd will take it. Nice post Gene and thank you for making it apolitical.

Everything you said was accurate but I am more optimistic than 2/3. There are a lot of people more afraid of getting Covid now than side effects from the vaccine.

Right now, officially, one in 35 to 40 Americans has Covid. I think it is more in the one to 15 to 20 range because not everyone who has Covid has been tested and the false negatives on testing are not the 5 to 15% rate the experts are saying but IMO are closer to 50%. I have seen too many families where one in three or two in four test positive when they all have symptoms. I also had a buddy who had blood clots everywhere and was tested for Covid 4 times and was negative all those times, and he is convinced he had it and I agree he probably did.

He is getting a super sensitive antibody test and I have been underwhelmed with the testing for antibodies as well. Apparently, a person can have a small number of antibodies but make a lot if the virus presents itself, and that small amount is not detectable.

Flip flop Fauci has done it again. First it was we do not need to wear masks. Then we do, but I was not wrong. I was just lying so health care workers could get masks.

Now he has upped the percentage with regards to herd immunity from 70 to 80 or 85%. No one really knows, but I think even if we can get 150 million Americans vaccinated in the next year and there are 20 to 40 million people with natural immunity, we can put Covid in the rear view mirror. From what I am seeing and hearing, I think that number is doable but we shall see.

I am not sure when Colombia gets the vaccine. What I wonder is if how off is their official number. Supposedly, only one in 200 Colombians is running around with Covid right now. I am not sure I buy that number either. It seems too low to me.

GeneHickman
01-03-21, 20:36
China locked down, used masks, and did all the right things so that a real biological thing. A virus, could not spread. Yep, it does not take a genius to understand that. It's just basic biology.

And another certain country, who's king vacillated on whether the virus was real, and who's people cannot simply follow any health advice, got heavily infected, worse than any other nation on earth.

It does not take a genius to understand that. It's all just basic biology.Not so simple my friend. I realise you don't like Trump, but let it not bias your view of this epidemic. No doubt the US(including he Trump administration) could and should have done better. Yet the Chinese story is a fable, and if you buy into it, well, dunno what else to say but you're gullible.

1. 5 B people and far more crowded than pretty much anywhere, massive urban centers, and with plenty of chance for epidemics and reintroductions and yet no disease spikes? Yeah right. Many island nations with strict travel bans and even lockddowns haven't been able to clear this surge reliably and you believe China is doing that? The truth to this story is unknown, and deserves a closer look, and the eventual conclusion maybe a natural event, but there sure is plenty circumstantial evidence to ponder and investigate.

LatinaLover#1
01-03-21, 22:01
China locked down, used masks, and did all the right things so that a real biological thing. A virus, could not spread. Yep, it does not take a genius to understand that. It's just basic biology.

And another certain country, who's king vacillated on whether the virus was real, and who's people cannot simply follow any health advice, got heavily infected, worse than any other nation on earth.

It does not take a genius to understand that. It's all just basic biology.Not a case of Covid in Wuhan since May? Really?? And that's because of a mask law!! J ajaja Open your eyes cupcake. The entire world has had mask laws and we're dropping like flies. China only had mask laws in certain areas. Has NOTHING to do with the best President we ever had. What it does have to do with is an attack by China to halt the fall they were in the middle of and they struck quick and decisive. Also riddle me this batman, the president had nothing to do with the mask laws anywhere! Every country choose their own form of restriction, every state, like California choose their form of lockdown and they are dropping like flies. Newsome has had complete control of his state. So if you were a Genous you would know that.

Xpartan
01-03-21, 22:51
Now that's bizarre.

I can understand not traveling at this time. Crowded airports and full airplanes, regardless of air travel industry studies, seem like an added risk. I can understand wanting to wait for the vaccine, or avoiding the obvious potential exposure represented by mongering.

I just can't imagine dropping all your plans solely over having to wear a quarter ounce worth of paper on your face.I'm going to start traveling when the risk to catch the disease drops significantly, which happens after the vaccination. However, according to the CDC, no one knows whether getting vaccinated will prevent you from spreading the disease. Mask mandates aren't going anywhere.

Still, I can see the opposing point of view. Wearing masks in hot climate is beyond annoying. You're already miserable even without the mask. Plus mandating wearing masks outside in uncrowded conditions is a huge overkill. You're extremely unlikely to catch COVID in a couple of seconds it takes to pass someone on the street.

Having said that, masks are certainly a lesser evil than having to stay put.

Xpartan
01-03-21, 23:01
And another certain country, who's king vacillated on whether the virus was real, and who's people cannot simply follow any health advice, got heavily infected, worse than any other nation on earth.

It does not take a genius to understand that. It's all just basic biology.And basic psychiatry.

Rextor
01-04-21, 00:28
Not a case of Covid in Wuhan since May? Really?? And that's because of a mask law!! J ajaja Open your eyes cupcake. The entire world has had mask laws and we're dropping like flies. China only had mask laws in certain areas. Has NOTHING to do with the best President we ever had. What it does have to do with is an attack by China to halt the fall they were in the middle of and they struck quick and decisive. Also riddle me this batman, the president had nothing to do with the mask laws anywhere! Every country choose their own form of restriction, every state, like California choose their form of lockdown and they are dropping like flies. Newsome has had complete control of his state. So if you were a Genous you would know that.I really love this line of logic. Let's grant that China did engineer the virus and release it upon the world (the reality is much depressingly ordinary. Rich people like eating bats and pangolins and shit). Literally all we had to do was wear masks and social distance and provide our citizens with a safety net generous enough to allow them to ride out a 2-week quarantine. As we are reminded over and over again. The US is the greatest country in the world, richest and most powerful. And we couldn't even handle a pandemic that pretty much every other developed country has managed 100% better. If this was engineered by China, good game, well played. The better team won. They proved to the world that the US is a falling empire, that its ruling class has so efficiently atomized, divided, and broken down its citizenry that we aren't even willing to wear a piece of cloth over our face in order to protect the most vulnerable. Hats off to the "best President we ever had" who shat himself on the world's stage while being "attacked" by China. Funny how this virus was specifically designed to kill Americans, and not Canadians, Australians, Thais, Germans, New Zealanders, etc. I guess I would need to be a "Genous" to figure that one out.

Questner
01-04-21, 00:48
China locked down, used masks, and did all the right things so that a real biological thing. A virus, could not spread. Yep, it does not take a genius to understand that. It's just basic biology.

And another certain country, who's king vacillated on whether the virus was real, and who's people cannot simply follow any health advice, got heavily infected, worse than any other nation on earth.

It does not take a genius to understand that. It's all just basic biology.China has massive cemeteries with rows after row same black granite and a portrait graves with names and dates on them, so don't be duped. I find it inane to believe any government, they are all Olympic champions in lying.

Zeos1
01-04-21, 01:36
Not so simple my friend. I realise you don't like Trump, but let it not bias your view of this epidemic. No doubt the US(including he Trump administration) could and should have done better. Yet the Chinese story is a fable, and if you buy into it, well, dunno what else to say but you're gullible.

1. 5 B people and far more crowded than pretty much anywhere, massive urban centers, and with plenty of chance for epidemics and reintroductions and yet no disease spikes? Yeah right. Many island nations with strict travel bans and even lockddowns haven't been able to clear this surge reliably and you believe China is doing that? The truth to this story is unknown, and deserves a closer look, and the eventual conclusion maybe a natural event, but there sure is plenty circumstantial evidence to ponder and investigate.They certainly had more in the early stages than they let on. But they had draconian measures to stop it, which worked. The virus certainly can be stopped if you basically don't let anyone come close to anyone else for a few weeks. That's just the biology of it.

There are many people, foreigners, in China that have observed and been part of their lockdowns and measures. How many people died? We don't know, they don't probably even know since many in the early stages were not classified as Covid.

The cover up of the early part of the epidemic in Wuhan is a story that has more attention in China than anywhere else in the world. The doctor who tried to get the word out, and convince people how bad it was, and who eventually died of Covid, is a national hero. A whistleblower against city and local officials who wanted to cover it up. And possibly the central government was on side with that until they realized they had to take a different course. In any case, I agree the total truth is not known. But, the measures they took work, work other places, but cannot be tolerated in more democratic and open societies.

When people say that various measures don't work they are comparing apples and oranges. Lockdowns, quarantines, distancing, travel restrictions, masks. They have all worked in many many countries. But unless the measures actually stop people's interactions with each other they are also doomed to fail. If a significant percentage of the population ignores them, then they don't work at all. See the USA.

PS.. I should say, they have partially worked in the USA. I think it would be a whole, whole, lot worse if no measures had been taken. We have all observed the times when cases doubled every 2 weeks before measures were put in place. If that had been allowed the US would likely have deaths into the millions by now. It is still killing around 1.5-2% of known cases.

ChuchoLoco
01-04-21, 20:19
They certainly had more in the early stages than they let on. But they had draconian measures to stop it, which worked. The virus certainly can be stopped if you basically don't let anyone come close to anyone else for a few weeks. That's just the biology of it.

There are many people, foreigners, in China that have observed and been part of their lockdowns and measures. How many people died? We don't know, they don't probably even know since many in the early stages were not classified as Covid.

The cover up of the early part of the epidemic in Wuhan is a story that has more attention in China than anywhere else in the world. The doctor who tried to get the word out, and convince people how bad it was, and who eventually died of Covid, is a national hero. A whistleblower against city and local officials who wanted to cover it up. And possibly the central government was on side with that until they realized they had to take a different course. In any case, I agree the total truth is not known. But, the measures they took work, work other places, but cannot be tolerated in more democratic and open societies.

When people say that various measures don't work they are comparing apples and oranges. Lockdowns, quarantines, distancing, travel restrictions, masks. They have all worked in many many countries. But unless the measures actually stop people's interactions with each other they are also doomed to fail. If a significant percentage of the population ignores them, then they don't work at all. See the USA.I remember before it became a worldwide epidemic that news reports showed massive mobilization and construction of hospitals almost overnight in Wuhan. SP?

So, it should have been obvious that something was going on. Incredible mobilization and almost like a time lapse video of the construction. That's how fast they got after it. Ours and intelligence of others should have known something was up and I believe they did and even warned but to deaf ears.

Elvis 2008
01-05-21, 01:55
China locked down, used masks, and did all the right things so that a real biological thing. A virus, could not spread. Yep, it does not take a genius to understand that. It's just basic biology.

And another certain country, who's king vacillated on whether the virus was real, and who's people cannot simply follow any health advice, got heavily infected, worse than any other nation on earth.

It does not take a genius to understand that. It's all just basic biology.
And basic psychiatry.
Let's grant that China did engineer the virus and release it upon the world (the reality is much depressingly ordinary. Rich people like eating bats and pangolins and shit). Literally all we had to do was wear masks and social distance and provide our citizens with a safety net generous enough to allow them to ride out a 2-week quarantine. As we are reminded over and over again. The US is the greatest country in the world, richest and most powerful. And we couldn't even handle a pandemic that pretty much every other developed country has managed 100% better. If this was engineered by China, good game, well played. The better team won. They proved to the world that the US is a falling empire, that its ruling class has so efficiently atomized, divided, and broken down its citizenry that we aren't even willing to wear a piece of cloth over our face in order to protect the most vulnerable. Hats off to the "best President we ever had" who shat himself on the world's stage while being "attacked" by China. Funny how this virus was specifically designed to kill Americans, and not Canadians, Australians, Thais, Germans, New Zealanders, etc. I guess I would need to be a "Genous" to figure that one out.Whenever the Democrats do something stupid, and politicizing an incurable disease is really stupid, the Republicans turn it around on them and hit them with it 10 X as hard. I can now see someone with colon CA being denied care because "Well, you were stupid you didn't get a colonoscopy" or when you have a heart attack, someone saying, "Well, did you exercise every day?" You can do it for any illness but the worst is for an incurable illness. Can you imagine if doctors treated patients like Democrats have treated Republicans with this pandemic? "Did you socially distance? No, well then no oxygen for you."

On top of that, there is the notion that all that matters is government. If you are a Democrat, then Venezuela, Nigeria, and Cambodia have the best forms of government, and Democrats should probably move there so they can live to be 100+. Because all that mattered with the pandemic is who voted for whom and who the leaders were, these countries must have the best leaders, best governance, and best health care in the world because of their numbers on Covid. Remember all that mattered with Covid is how governments acted.

For all their bashing of creation and praising of Darwin and evolution, Democrats have been hypocrites. In their mind, viruses do not mutate and adapt (well at least not until Trump is out of office). When I said there was variants of the virus, I was accused of making it up. Trump is out of office so lo and behold there is a more contagious mutation. Wow, there was none before hand? Really? Shiiiit!

Before all I heard was how great Europe was in handling the disease (save for those Swedish morons). My God, if the USA just had done what Europe had done, the USA would have done great and saved countless lives and then.

To me, who has actually followed the variants, there was no surprise with a second wave in Europe. The reason the Americas got hit harder was they had more contagious versions of the virus and it was just a matter of time before those variants spread to other places.

If you are going to hand out medals to countries who handled the virus well, (and Lord knows the NY Times has been doing that on a daily basis), it is totally okay to do because the pandemic is over or it will be as soon as Biden is sworn in. There is no way that a country like China can be hit by the newer more contagious versions of Covid and suffer a second wave because their country and government are just so damned good.

The same goes with Venezuela. Have you seen their numbers compared to their neighbors? Man, we should hold them up as a shining example of how to handle the virus. I cannot wait to see how many Democrats move there.

Just remember, everyone, government is the answer. I forgot the question but does it matter?

So the virus will be gone in a few weeks as will climate change. With Biden in office, every day will be 80 degrees and sunny. Man, am I looking forward to that.

PVMonger
01-05-21, 15:08
Whenever the Democrats do something stupid, and politicizing an incurable disease is really stupid, the Republicans turn it around on them and hit them with it 10 X as hard. I can now see someone with colon CA being denied care because "Well, you were stupid you didn't get a colonoscopy" or when you have a heart attack, someone saying, "Well, did you exercise every day?" You can do it for any illness but the worst is for an incurable illness. Can you imagine if doctors treated patients like Democrats have treated Republicans with this pandemic? "Did you socially distance? No, well then no oxygen for you."

On top of that, there is the notion that all that matters is government. If you are a Democrat, then Venezuela, Nigeria, and Cambodia have the best forms of government, and Democrats should probably move there so they can live to be 100+. Because all that mattered with the pandemic is who voted for whom and who the leaders were, these countries must have the best leaders, best governance, and best health care in the world because of their numbers on Covid. Remember all that mattered with Covid is how governments acted...Every time I read one of your posts, it has become more and more apparent that you have gone off the deep end.

Democrats "politicized" an incurable disease? Really? Unless "politicized" means follow the freaking rules, then they did not.

Only a lunatic would say that Democrats think that Venezuela, etc. Are great places. Some probably do, but that number is far less than the number of tRUMPettes that believe the election was stolen. You believe far too many Republican talking points.

As far as COVID goes, the virus doesn't move itself. People move it. Any measures to control the virus mean reducing the ways the virus can spread. Period. Full stop. Some governments were more effective at convincing their citizens to do this than were others. Donnie the Dumbass and his merry band of morons weren't effective at all. The major reason for that was that tRUMP took no responsibility (see his March 13th presser). Even though he broke his own rule about responsibility (and he is too stupid to remove the tweet) . "Leadership. If it happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible. " Yes, Donnie the Dumbass actually said that. Again, you believe too many Republican talking points.

Elvis 2008
01-05-21, 20:11
Every time I read one of your posts, it has become more and more apparent that you have gone off the deep end.Let me guess what party you belong to.


As far as COVID goes, the virus doesn't move itself. People move it. Any measures to control the virus mean reducing the ways the virus can spread. Period. Full stop.If that was all that mattered, Peru would have fewer cases than anywhere in the world.


Some governments were more effective at convincing their citizens to do this than were others.Here we go again. Even with an incurable disease, government is the answer.


Again, you believe too many Republican talking points.What Republican talking points?

BigButtDetecto
01-10-21, 03:37
Whenever the Democrats do something stupid, and politicizing an incurable disease is really stupid, the Republicans turn it around on them and hit them with it 10 X as hard. I can now see someone with colon CA being denied care because "Well, you were stupid you didn't get a colonoscopy" or when you have a heart attack, someone saying, "Well, did you exercise every day?" You can do it for any illness but the worst is for an incurable illness. Can you imagine if doctors treated patients like Democrats have treated Republicans with this pandemic? "Did you socially distance? No, well then no oxygen for you."

On top of that, there is the notion that all that matters is government. If you are a Democrat, then Venezuela, Nigeria, and Cambodia have the best forms of government, and Democrats should probably move there so they can live to be 100+. Because all that mattered with the pandemic is who voted for whom and who the leaders were, these countries must have the best leaders, best governance, and best health care in the world because of their numbers on Covid. Remember all that mattered with Covid is how governments acted.

For all their bashing of creation and praising of Darwin and evolution, Democrats have been hypocrites. In their mind, viruses do not mutate and adapt (well at least not until Trump is out of office). When I said there was variants of the virus, I was accused of making it up. Trump is out of office so lo and behold there is a more contagious mutation. Wow, there was none before hand? Really? Shiiiit!

Before all I heard was how great Europe was in handling the disease (save for those Swedish morons). My God, if the USA just had done what Europe had done, the USA would have done great and saved countless lives and then.

To me, who has actually followed the variants, there was no surprise with a second wave in Europe. The reason the Americas got hit harder was they had more contagious versions of the virus and it was just a matter of time before those variants spread to other places.

If you are going to hand out medals to countries who handled the virus well, (and Lord knows the NY Times has been doing that on a daily basis), it is totally okay to do because the pandemic is over or it will be as soon as Biden is sworn in. There is no way that a country like China can be hit by the newer more contagious versions of Covid and suffer a second wave because their country and government are just so damned good.

The same goes with Venezuela. Have you seen their numbers compared to their neighbors? Man, we should hold them up as a shining example of how to handle the virus. I cannot wait to see how many Democrats move there.

Just remember, everyone, government is the answer. I forgot the question but does it matter?

So the virus will be gone in a few weeks as will climate change. With Biden in office, every day will be 80 degrees and sunny. Man, am I looking forward to that.One of my posts was removed by the moderator before the US elections being labeled as political.

I see that the right wing and the left wing are not treated equally otherwise this post would have been censured.

Routard
03-09-21, 20:48
Hi,

Long time lurker and I'm jumping back in the lifestyle after over 10 years inactive. Never was a hardcore hobbyist and only know a little about my local NYC scene. I'm travelling to Bogota for the 1st time in late May or June and I want to have the best info I can for when out I'm there. Any help is appreciated. Thank you for all the good post and keep up the good work.

P.S. I am doing my homework, reading post, ect. No need to remind me of that. Not looking for someone to do the work for me and I'm willing to do as much as I can on my own. I'll play nice, please do the same.Here is a complete FAQ about Bogota:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3865-Bogota-FAQ&p=2241562&viewfull=1#post2241562.

This was pre-covid, a lot of things have changed and will change untill you will be here.

Mr Enternational
03-11-21, 16:31
You Guys are horny and not reading the past reports.

First get your Covid shots or.

Stay home.I think I have been to 8 countries since this thing started. I have no intention of getting any shots.

John Clayton
03-11-21, 16:51
I think I have been to 8 countries since this thing started. I have no intention of getting any shots.Which is parasitical behavior.

Questner
03-12-21, 03:02
Which is parasitical behavior.Better a choice of a smart guy who makes private decision about his health with advice of his physician based on long term safety, efficacy and effectiveness of any vaccine, and his previous exposure. Your own immune system is a best way to protect against this malady if you're healthy and under 60 year old Moreover, somehow many start to forget about the autonomy of each individual and inherent rights and freedoms, including freedom of travel.

Talkyes
03-12-21, 04:09
Which is parasitical behavior.Whoa chill bro this isn't reddit. You're not getting Karma points for showing how woke you are. I think if he's managed to go to 8 different countries and hasn't been spreading it, that kinda goes to show how the public concern / media frenzy is not exactly proportionate to the level of care required. Don't get me wrong I'm not an anti-masker but it's nobody's social responsibility to give up all enjoyment in life. If you're travelling a lot, maybe don't visit grandma in the old folks home right when you get home. If I'm sick of anything as much as covid it's this moral high ground bullshit around it.

John Clayton
03-12-21, 04:21
Better a choice of a smart guy who makes private decision about his health ...You've seen the movie. Earth is attacked by an alien horde species that reproduces in humans until they burst forth by the millions, destroying their human hosts. The only way humans have to fight back is to crush every one of these alien monsters out of existence before they can mutate and reproduce. To save humanity, all people from every country of the world have to band together, in noble common cause, to smash the aliens before they can kill us. The movie always has the evil or witless collaborators who believe they can live with the aliens, deal with the aliens -- going so far as nurturing the aliens inside their bodies. Are you seeing the analogy?

To be even more clear, the vaccine is not just about your health (or your belief), this is about all of humanity. All of us. We have to crush, kill, exterminate the aliens, and it takes all of humanity to do it.

GeneHickman
03-12-21, 05:15
You've seen the movie. Earth is attacked by an alien horde species that reproduces in humans until they burst forth by the millions, destroying their human hosts. The only way humans have to fight back is to crush every one of these alien monsters out of existence before they can mutate and reproduce. To save humanity, all people from every country of the world have to band together, in noble common cause, to smash the aliens before they can kill us. The movie always has the evil or witless collaborators who believe they can live with the aliens, deal with the aliens -- going so far as nurturing the aliens inside their bodies. Are you seeing the analogy?

To be even more clear, the vaccine is not just about your health (or your belief), this is about all of humanity. All of us. We have to crush, kill, exterminate the aliens, and it takes all of humanity to do it.Fair enough, but what of the argument that for something with a 0. 4% mortality in the general population and perhaps far less in fit healthy adults its a personal decision whether or not to take it. Lets get real here, humanity is not threatened by is thing.

BTW for the haters, I am in my 40's and healthy with no chronic illnesses and fully intend to take the vaccine, but just not of the view that it should be forced upon people.

John Clayton
03-12-21, 05:50
Fair enough, but what of the argument that for something with a 0. 4% mortality in the general population ...Maybe this virus wasn't World War Z, but it coulda' been.

1) I'm fed up / amazed with the antivax bullshit. People should realize that 90% of this propaganda originates in Russian disinformation bot farms.

2) This is not about you and your healthy immune system. Maybe you will be okay. Maybe you won't get sick. Maybe you don't care about the fat people who die from it (TBH, I don't). The fact is, the more this (any) virus replicates, the more it mutates. The more it mutates, the more potentially dangerous it gets. We have to mutually crush this, or it will be around for years (f'cking up travel and mongering) and maybe get worse.

3) These vaccines are amazingly good. Got a strong immune system? Get the vaccine -- it will make it even stronger!

MarquisdeSade1
03-12-21, 06:06
Maybe this virus wasn't World War Z, but it coulda' been.

1) I'm fed up / amazed with the antivax bullshit. People should realize that 90% of this propaganda originates in Russian disinformation bot farms.Then stop watching raquel maddow on a loop and take your damn psych meds you whack job.

And yes I recd the Moderna vax in Sept of 2020 you nutcase!!

GeneHickman
03-12-21, 12:33
Maybe this virus wasn't World War Z, but it coulda' been.

1) I'm fed up / amazed with the antivax bullshit. People should realize that 90% of this propaganda originates in Russian disinformation bot farms.

2) This is not about you and your healthy immune system. Maybe you will be okay. Maybe you won't get sick. Maybe you don't care about the fat people who die from it (TBH, I don't). The fact is, the more this (any) virus replicates, the more it mutates. The more it mutates, the more potentially dangerous it gets. We have to mutually crush this, or it will be around for years (f'cking up travel and mongering) and maybe get worse.

3) These vaccines are amazingly good. Got a strong immune system? Get the vaccine -- it will make it even stronger!Nah now you completely lost me. So yes this is natural selection. And the lesson here is improve your metabolic health! But most Americans don't want to hear that, they want to stay fat and "strengthen their immune system" have you seen our obesity and overweight rates, they are frankly obscene. Even amongst our youth. If this isn't a wake up call I don't know what will be. As to the mutants once again the process of natural selection means the virus will morph and vaccinating 8 B people ain't happening one way or the other herd immunity is the only way out eventually and I am certain this will exist as a background risk for many years to come, so yeah it will add a small but real travel and mongering risk.

MarquisdeSade1
03-12-21, 17:55
Nah now you completely lost me. So yes this is natural selection. And the lesson here is improve your metabolic health! But most Americans don't want to hear that, they want to stay fat and "strengthen their immune system" have you seen our obesity and overweight rates, they are frankly obscene. Even amongst our youth. If this isn't a wake up call I don't know what will be. As to the mutants once again the process of natural selection means the virus will morph and vaccinating 8 B people ain't happening one way or the other herd immunity is the only way out eventually and I am certain this will exist as a background risk for many years to come, so yeah it will add a small but real travel and mongering risk.He is blueanon.

MarquisdeSade1
03-12-21, 22:34
Every time I read one of your posts, it has become more and more apparent that you have gone off the deep end.

Democrats "politicized" an incurable disease? Really? Unless "politicized" means follow the freaking rules, then they did not.

Only a lunatic would say that Democrats think that Venezuela, etc. Are great places. Some probably do, but that number is far less than the number of tRUMPettes that believe the election was stolen. You believe far too many Republican talking points.

As far as COVID goes, the virus doesn't move itself. People move it. Any measures to control the virus mean reducing the ways the virus can spread. Period. Full stop. Some governments were more effective at convincing their citizens to do this than were others. Donnie the Dumbass and his merry band of morons weren't effective at all. The major reason for that was that tRUMP took no responsibility (see his March 13th presser). Even though he broke his own rule about responsibility (and he is too stupid to remove the tweet) . "Leadership. If it happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible. " Yes, Donnie the Dumbass actually said that. Again, you believe too many Republican talking points.Read this.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Xpartan
03-13-21, 08:04
Read this.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/Or did you stop at the headline? Because I can assure you this article is not about what you think. Try it, it's good (and real) journalism.

MarquisdeSade1
03-13-21, 13:39
Or did you stop at the headline? Because I can assure you this article is not about what you think. Try it, it's good (and real) journalism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cw03E2eoQU

MarquisdeSade1
03-13-21, 13:51
Or did you stop at the headline? Because I can assure you this article is not about what you think. Try it, it's good (and real) journalism.https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-vast-anti-trump-conspiracy-11612813840

MarquisdeSade1
03-17-21, 06:57
Maybe this virus wasn't World War Z, but it coulda' been.

1) I'm fed up / amazed with the antivax bullshit. People should realize that 90% of this propaganda originates in Russian disinformation bot farms.

2) This is not about you and your healthy immune system. Maybe you will be okay. Maybe you won't get sick. Maybe you don't care about the fat people who die from it (TBH, I don't). The fact is, the more this (any) virus replicates, the more it mutates. The more it mutates, the more potentially dangerous it gets. We have to mutually crush this, or it will be around for years (f'cking up travel and mongering) and maybe get worse.

3) These vaccines are amazingly good. Got a strong immune system? Get the vaccine -- it will make it even stronger!https://www.rt.com/usa/518303-china-greatest-us-threat-poll/

MiamiSammy
03-22-21, 23:48
https://www.rt.com/usa/518303-china-greatest-us-threat-poll/You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you? I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and leave a more intelligent response in the toilet bowl. Your idiot lost, to the benefit of the entire world. Get over it or slither back under your rock.

MiamiSammy
03-22-21, 23:50
He is blueanon.The irony is that Qanon belongs to you Trumpists, and there is no such thing as "blueanon". You're falling way short of qualifying for moron status.

LuvMexicanas
03-27-21, 15:50
And you really have the nerve to put SA hookers on a pedestal. LOL.I've seen my fair share of ISG posters do this even to the extent of deluding themselves into believing these chicks aren't hookers at all.

Elvis 2008
03-30-21, 01:06
I've seen my fair share of ISG posters do this even to the extent of deluding themselves into believing these chicks aren't hookers at all.It is funny how when you show up I get points for a post and Drama Free's post gets axed, and you are posting the same shit you did in the CDMX thread all over again.

Luvmutt, you actually put a guys personal name out on the forum and did not get points. What is up with that?

Then you cite an administrator as proof of your wisdom. Here is what he said years ago.


Thanks for clearing that up, when I read your original post I was thinking, fuck, got to start looking for the next place because Medellin just died.

There are no real SB's on SA. Real SB's don't have ads, they don't need them, they have guys who pay their bills. They might, and I stress might, be low volume prostitutes but they are not sugar babies.Millions of women on SA and this admin actually acts like he has interviewed them all.

And this is what the Admin said that made you slobber all over him.


There is covert and overt prostitution. If a woman won't fuck you unless she's getting some kind of remuneration IMHO she's a prostitute, end of brother. She may be a low volume prostitute she may have a selective clientele but she's a hooker. Like I said, I like hookers, I don't hold that against them.

If you're the only one she's fucking and you're "helping her" or she wouldn't fuck you that's still prostitution.

If she's whatever age and she fucks you so good that you want to give her shit, you're in big fucking trouble, good trouble mind you, but trouble none the less and she would keep fucking you if you gave her nothing, she's not a hooker.

It's about their expectation of getting paid. If it's a condition of fucking you, regardless of what or how much it is, she's a hooker.

This isn't a ruling, it's my opinion.

And again, I really like hookers.So we got one guy here putting seeking women on a pedestal. It is fair to be critical of him because he is wrong but at least he has met a woman from the site. It is pretty clear that you and this Admin2 have never met one yet you claim to be experts about the women there.

Every woman on seeking is a hooker and none are potential sugar babies? Thank God we have you two guys with no experience from the site advising us. I mean, what would I and Dramafree do without you guys showing us the way?

It is not like we know anything about Admin2's tastes right?


As of yesterday at around 13 the price for an hour was indeed 140 K.

Mine wanted 70 K for a BBBJ, I declined because I thought that number was ridiculous. I realize she can ask whatever she wants but I was 100% feeling the gringo bump, was I in error and that is a customary amount?Yeah, 70 k for a BBBJ is "ridiculous". Thank God, I have a guy like that "schooling" me. You two are peas in the pod.

I looked at your posting history. One post from Ecuador and another from Korea where you were at in the 90's and all the rest from Mexico and the post from Ecuador was generic. It is not like you have been there.


It's not so much about interracial as it is skin color. In just about every culture (eg China and India which make up a third of the world's population) light skin is associated with class and wealth and dark skin the opposite. Pale skin is valued higher in just about every country in the world, especially in Asian and Spanish / Portuguese speaking countries.
I was in Korea in the mid to late 90's and I see not much has changed. I admire all of you for mongering in what I believe is one of the most difficult countries to hobby for foreigners. If you are not Korean or Korean-looking and fluent in the language, you will find it nearly impossible to have an A-class experience. The standard is early 20's and BBFSCIP. The guys I ran with wouldn't go near a girl even 25. Having said that, keep trying because Korean women are among the best in the world.And Admin2 has had experience in Asia as well. Then he gives expert advice on Covid and so do you. Hmmmm. I said you and Admin2 are two peas in a pod. Or is it really one pea in a pod? Yeah, citing yourself as an expert sounds about right.

So WTF are you posting for here anyway? You had no previous posts about Colombia. Clearly, you have never been there. Clearly you know none of the women who are on seeking.com from Colombia yet you proclaim to be an expert and know all about these women just like Admin2 does too. And Juan Carter seems to hate seeking as well. What is up with that?

Here is my guess as to why you are here. You are rallying against the concept of guys paying $100 to be on a pussy site. How dare guys do stuff like that? Shouldn't they listen to guys like you / Admin2/ JC, the so called experts?

No, douchebag, I fucked a woman who could be on Price is Right as a model all day and night long for 3 different days and nights, and there was not one fucking second that we talked about money, and it seems to me your green with envy jealous ass cannot handle it. So you call me a nave liar and her a ****. What else are you going to do? Do you think I care? Even though I was there, you know better? God, you are dumb.

So I repeat, it is not about Colombia. So WTF are you doing here you jealous POS? Trying to discredit a guy who is getting his brains fucked out in Colombia?

I thought this forum was about getting laid. Have you ever even been to Colombia?

LuvMexicanas
03-30-21, 15:08
You mad bro? Clearly, you are not thinking straight claiming that I'm an admin. Wow. You're probably one of those idiots who still thinks Elvis is alive.

DramaFree11
03-30-21, 19:20
It is funny how when you show up I get points for a post and Drama Free's post gets axed, and you are posting the same shit you did in the CDMX thread all over again.

Luvmutt, you actually put a guys personal name out on the forum and did not get points. What is up with that?

Then you cite an administrator as proof of your wisdom. Here is what he said years ago.

Millions of women on SA and this admin actually acts like he has interviewed them all.

And this is what the Admin said that made you slobber all over him.

So we got one guy here putting seeking women on a pedestal. It is fair to be critical of him because he is wrong but at least he has met a woman from the site. It is pretty clear that you and this Admin2 have never met one yet you claim to be experts about the women there.

Every woman on seeking is a hooker and none are potential sugar babies? Thank God we have you two guys with no experience from the site advising us. I mean, what would I and Dramafree do without you guys showing us the way?So true, this guys should have been suspended months ago. Now my posts are suddenly being flagged very strange.

Elvis 2008
03-30-21, 19:43
You mad bro? Clearly, you are not thinking straight claiming that I'm an admin.No, tell me why you did not get points for outing a guy's name. Now you come in the Colombia forum and repeat nothing of value. I gave you a chance to answer why you posted in Colombia, and you gave nothing. All your doing is trolling which should result in your getting points too. Admin2 was bragging about coming up with the stupid shit forum, and all of sudden my comment is found here.

Go get another handle Mr. "impartial" admin. Luvmexicans is done. I have an idea: how about leaving guys who post about getting laid alone versus demanding everyone get laid on the cheap like your sorry ass does. Some of us actually want quality.

70 k for a BBBJ is "ridiculous". Man, you are a piece of work.

LuvMexicanas
03-31-21, 02:52
No, tell me why you did not get points for outing a guy's name. Now you come in the Colombia forum and repeat nothing of value. I gave you a chance to answer why you posted in Colombia, and you gave nothing. All your doing is trolling which should result in your getting points too. Admin2 was bragging about coming up with the stupid shit forum, and all of sudden my comment is found here.

Go get another handle Mr. "impartial" admin. Luvmexicans is done. I have an idea: how about leaving guys who post about getting laid alone versus demanding everyone get laid on the cheap like your sorry ass does. Some of us actually want quality.

70 k for a BBBJ is "ridiculous". Man, you are a piece of work.Two things: 1) the member included his first name in his own post and I simply repeated that very common generic beyond belief first name in a subsequent post. How the fuck is that outing someone? 2) I have received points and had my own posts deleted so how the fuck am I an admin? You're really on tilt and need to get a grip.

Mojo Bandit
04-09-21, 01:53
This was posted by LatinaLover#1.

Colombia.

Just got back from 10 days in Colombia, 4 days in Tyrona Nat'l Park (a total cluster fuck) and the rest of the time in Bogota. Went thru the latest bullshit required to travel to and from Colombia and ran into the current restrictions in place in Bogota. Maybe it's because of the many years I've spent in Colombia prior to the pandemic but it's just not the same and nowhere as enjoyable as pre-covid. Went to Unicentro Bogota mall on the 6th and was turned away with my even number on my passport, I went to Andino mall and no one was checking anything. The typical train wreak bullshit is alive and well in Colombia. The amount of red tape has worn me out, you may have more tolerance for it than me but I'm done! The last straw was on the way back to Atlanta on Delta. I was taking a drink of water when the lead, very rude Facemask Nazi flight attendant stopped by me and said to me, "keep your mask on above your nose, I don't want to tell you again!. Tell me again! This was the first time I saw this woman. I had all I could handle by then and it took all my self control to keep from unloading on this * Now they have this 4 day working,3 day strict quarantine. In Santa Marta they closed the beaches on Friday to EVERYONE and then opened them on Saturday so they forced EVERYONE to go to the beach that one day! Brilliant, get everybody to hit the beach the same day. Seems like the morons are back at it again. I won't advise anyone to stay away but I would not be surprised to see the baboons in charge to close the borders or lock everyone down in place in the near future. Colombian pussy is a big draw for most but be prepared to endure the aggravation and expense involved.

Mojo Bandit
04-09-21, 02:01
This was posted by LatinaLover#1.

.Tried to send you a PM but your box is full.

DramaFree11
04-09-21, 02:02
No, tell me why you did not get points for outing a guy's name. Now you come in the Colombia forum and repeat nothing of value. I gave you a chance to answer why you posted in Colombia, and you gave nothing. All your doing is trolling which should result in your getting points too. Admin2 was bragging about coming up with the stupid shit forum, and all of sudden my comment is found here.

Go get another handle Mr. "impartial" admin. Luvmexicans is done. I have an idea: how about leaving guys who post about getting laid alone versus demanding everyone get laid on the cheap like your sorry ass does. Some of us actually want quality.

70 k for a BBBJ is "ridiculous". Man, you are a piece of work.L. Mex, has all these rules, yet he can not follow the most basic rules. He should be suspended. Many people are now not posting as frequently because his comments and slandering multiple people, very sad.

DramaFree11
04-09-21, 02:10
No, tell me why you did not get points for outing a guy's name. Now you come in the Colombia forum and repeat nothing of value. I gave you a chance to answer why you posted in Colombia, and you gave nothing. All your doing is trolling which should result in your getting points too. Admin2 was bragging about coming up with the stupid shit forum, and all of sudden my comment is found here.

Go get another handle Mr. "impartial" admin. Luvmexicans is done. I have an idea: how about leaving guys who post about getting laid alone versus demanding everyone get laid on the cheap like your sorry ass does. Some of us actually want quality.

70 k for a BBBJ is "ridiculous". Man, you are a piece of work.You forgot to mention, that the pictures of girls he brags about being hot, we can bang for free, no class, and zero standards, he just complains. Enjoy your trip.

LuvMexicanas
04-09-21, 06:01
You forgot to mention, that the pictures of girls he brags about being hot, we can bang for free, no class, and zero standards, he just complains. Enjoy your trip.You mean like these? I don't brag I just post trip reports. You should try it sometime.

Elvis 2008
04-09-21, 17:28
You forgot to mention, that the pictures of girls he brags about being hot, we can bang for free, no class, and zero standards, he just complains. Enjoy your trip.Thanks, DF, I actually thought the admin was babying some people and smacking others around about cheap pussy but the admin kind of outted himself, and it is more political than anything else. If you show a Republican bent, he is going to smack you. Thing about these Dem douches is that they think that they are being objective but are so indoctrinated in government leftist speak that they think anyone not following it does not have a different point of view but is inviting evil. I should point out you can vote Democrat and not be a Democratic douche.

What I mean is that I thought the travel ban was stupid and if you are a Democratic douche, that did not mean that I was suggesting getting rid of an ineffective government policy but actually advocating for spreading the virus and wanting Colombians dead. So what happens? Colombia bans travel at a great cost and the virus spreads anywhere, and these douches try to downplay the significance of the ban. They are like, "No one said the travel ban would stop the virus. " So why the fuck do it then?

With me, I just do not bow down and accept what government "experts" say. I want to know why, what is the data supporting that decision because there is no question that a travel ban would hurt Colombia financially so you had the worst of all worlds with this travel ban decision, no effect on the virus and devastating economic effects.

I have seen this all the time in medicine, the need to do something even something bad, and to compensate for that, the first rule in medicine is do no harm, something these so called "experts" do not seem to get.

The latest stupid things with Colombia is continuation of the Covid PCR testing and the lockdowns. That has been a major pain in the ass and it cost $500 to do all of them in my travels there. The funniest was the last one. I did an at home saliva test and sent it to a lab. Hell, I could have sent anyone's saliva so how is that helping to stop the spread of the virus? In the USA, Biden's decision to test for Covid by air but not by land has no data supporting it. None. It was purely political and if you are a Democratic douche, you support it.

A much less moronic way to do this would be to tax travelers and put that money into a Covid relief fund because at least then that money has a chance of helping out with the virus whereas this testing is just pure political CYA.

Where you are at DF, you see a lot of Californians moving in and they bring their leftist BS with them. I have a feeling these people are going to turn Texas into California after they fucked up that state. The laws are so bad in California I will not have sex there. When I hear a woman recently lived in California, I quit talking to them. They do not have golden pussy syndrome but emerald pussy syndrome.

So I was in Medellin and they lock down everything at 6 PM, and I am like "For what? What good is this doing anyone?" Travelers pay good money to go there, buy that fucking test, and the government pulls this safety shit lockdown. I was so bored I left. I go to Cali and the attitude is totally different. They lock down at 8 versus 6. Why? Who the fuck knows why? Yes, I know the ICU % occupancy is the excuse used, but I do not get why 8 versus 6? Still, the vibe in Cali was much more chill. All the women were telling me the police were handing out $300 fines (who in the fuck has $300 in Colombia?) in Medellin, and they were scared. And Cali I heard the same thing but people did not seem as fearful.

So I go to Bogota, and there is no lockdown there but there will be. Hmm. Anyway, I had planned to take one of my sugar babies to Cancun. I was talking to a Republican friend who is so pissed at what governments are doing in the names of virus safety, he pleaded me with to stay in Mexico where there are none of the Draconian restrictions. I am here now, and it is great. There are common sense rules in place but nothing drastic. Cancun is exploding with tourists now.

On top of that, I have told you about my methods and ways. One of the things I have repeated over and over to guys here is do not mention a price with women on seeking. If you do that, you are defining her as a hooker and you as a john. You may get more response with a price but you are attracting the wrong kind of fish.

So what I have now is something no guy thought possible: a stunning Colombian model fucking me bare night and day who has not asked for a fucking dime in a country without fucked up Covid restrictions. I have been accused of posting things that have made others envious. For the most part, my motivation has been if you use this method, you will have better and often cheaper sex.

But this time, I will add a caveat. If you are not envious of what I have right now, you do not have a fucking pulse.

Thing is that if you are a Democratic douche, what I have is not possible because I am not an "expert". Thing about being a Democratic douche is that you value Democratic values or bullshit above all else even getting your fellow man laid.

Thing about the Democratic douches is that they so want to be experts, they do not even try to understand when the rules of the game have changed. I have pursued the best sex in my life, and you know and Don Carlos knows that you do not get that with a pure john-ho relationship, but the Democratic douches want to be experts so bad, they scoff at the rules of the new game.

At this point, I am like fuck them. They can post about how cheap they fuck these nasty as shit girls. The women these guys brag about fucking I would not do for free.

So in summary, Medellin had a few finds but was a disappointment, Cali was a breath of fresh air, and Cancun has been unfucking real. What I have learned from my experiences in Bogota is to find a new place, keep it quiet, and not let the douches fuck it up. They fucked up seeking in Bogota. Either that or just stick with this one because honestly DF, I just do not think there is better than what I have here. I really do not.

BigButtDetecto
05-29-21, 02:14
I have no concern for long term side effects as I already got both my shots.

My point is I feel the USA should honor the vaccine card instead of having to jump thru hoops with all these tests.

I think if the USA wants heard immunity then a small incentive like giving the Vaccine card a little weight would make some people take the vaccine.

To tell the truth the only reason I took the shots was in the hope it would help me to travel. When I went to Ecuador I was able to get in the country with my card.You are so right but republicans like de santis will oppose it. Go figure. !

BigButtDetecto
05-29-21, 02:26
There are anti vaxxers on the left and the right, the hippie types that don't like vaxs or chlorine etc.

I'm guessing there are more anti vaxxers on the left than the right.

BTW I recd my Moderna vax in Sept LOL.

Science and politics don't mix.

Once an issue enters the political realm, it is no longer scientific.

It has been tainted.

Politics destroy the credibility of anything it comes in contact with, left or right.

BTW I hate both parties LOL.

Depending on the day of the week.

Sometimes one more than the other.

I am very pro vax but I don't want the govt telling me what to do.

What turd come up with the bullshit "idea" of passports for travel?I don't mind following the government guidelines if it is backed by science and not by a "hunch". Antivaxers are on the right wing side, they work by beliefs not by facts or reason.

BigButtDetecto
05-29-21, 02:37
BBD, I think you are trying to make fun of Republicans who are skeptical of scientists. Given what was peddled as the origins of the virus, a bat bit a pangolin and never identified pangolin ran 1,000 miles to a wet market, your Democrat douche method of pushing "science" has lost all credibility. The alternate theory, that the Chinese were working on gain of function with coronavirus in the lab, is IMO a million times more likely.

So we have the same "scientists" now pushing immunization? I got my vaccine, and I want others to get it, but your method calling antivaxxers stupid is not the way to get it done. Your Democratic douche arrogance is ridiculous and that you are bringing that douche arrogance to a hooker board shows how warped you are. Quit being so political and so arrogant.Is it that arrogant to call anti maskers anti vaxers and pro hydroxychloroquine stupids?

Elvis 2008
05-29-21, 03:31
Is it that arrogant to call anti maskers anti vaxers and pro hydroxychloroquine stupids?OMG. Are you fucking kidding me? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/.

Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection.

Whether HCQ works or not is up for debate, but there is research saying it might and only a Democratic douche like yourself would say it does not.

As for why Antivaxxers are hesitant, America's top virologist, Anthony Fauci, argued in 2012 that the risks of a lab accident sparking a pandemic are outweighed by the potential benefits of manipulating viruses via gain-of-function research, according to previously unsurfaced remarks reported by Sharri Markson via The Australian.

Here is the video of him doing so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJIi_DotSB4.

And here is Rand Paul asking Fauci if he used NIH money, taxpayer money, to fund the very Corona virus we are now fighting.

https://youtu.be/TkE_mw6bRcg

And you want to align yourself with "scientists" like Fauci and proclaim anyone idiots who does not follow every word he says when he may have caused the whole damned pandemic? You are such a Democratic douche you care more about Fauci being right than your fellow Americans dying.

Again, I want as many people vaccinated as possible. Science is based on data, and the data for the vaccines is excellent. It is pretty clear to me the Democratic douche method of "science", paying off a scientist to spout off the crap you Dems want with no data to support it is harmful as people have a hard time rapping their arms around "science" and science.

Just a few months ago, Democratic douches like you were not just against the virus originating in the Wuhan lab but your social media buddies were censoring people who even suggested it. Then you come on this forum and implore an admin to censor Republicans.

It is pretty clear to me you do not give a fuck about the facts or saving people's lives or a clear exchange of information here but calling Republicans stupid. Thing is with you Democratic douches is that you do it so often that you do not even get that it is offensive.

The issue is not if people are stupid but convincing them to get vaccinated. Of course, I never would expect a Democratic douche like you to get that.

Are you done now with your political BS?

MarquisdeSade1
05-29-21, 05:20
Viagra is a Full Tested drug the Vax is Not-- RIP Marvin Hagler.I like your posts, I hate to disagree, but I joined a Moderna study in Aug at the University of Chicago and got it in Sept.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html

If they didn't do full trials, 600 k wouldn't have died.

They should of skipped the trials.

MarquisdeSade1
05-29-21, 11:56
I don't mind following the government guidelines if it is backed by science and not by a "hunch". Antivaxers are on the right wing side, they work by beliefs not by facts or reason.
I was referring to ordinary passports, I didn't say vaccine passports.

But since we are here, I will posit even though I've been vaccinated.

I don't approve of vaccine passports either, I am definitely not a libertarian.

I loathe Sean Hannity as much as Rachel M.

But you sound like an ideologue.

https://theconversation.com/anti-vaccination-beliefs-dont-follow-the-usual-political-polarization-81001

Antivaxers are on the right wing side, they work by beliefs not by facts or reason.

Look in the mirror buddy!!

Antivaxers are on the right wing side, they work by beliefs not by facts or reason.

I want the govt to have way less control over our lives, not more.

Look at how the CCP controls everything.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/technology/china-surveillance.html

If you want this shit move there, don't impose it on me too.

That's some neo-fascism shit!

PVMonger
05-29-21, 13:06
OMG. Are you fucking kidding me? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/.

Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection.

Whether HCQ works or not is up for debate, but there is research saying it might and only a Democratic douche like yourself would say it does not.

As for why Antivaxxers are hesitant, America's top virologist, Anthony Fauci, argued in 2012 that the risks of a lab accident sparking a pandemic are outweighed by the potential benefits of manipulating viruses via gain-of-function research, according to previously unsurfaced remarks reported by Sharri Markson via The Australian.

Here is the video of him doing so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJIi_DotSB4.

And here is Rand Paul asking Fauci if he used NIH money, taxpayer money, to fund the very Corona virus we are now fighting.

https://youtu.be/TkE_mw6bRcg

And you want to align yourself with "scientists" like Fauci and proclaim anyone idiots who does not follow every word he says when he may have caused the whole damned pandemic? You are such a Democratic douche you care more about Fauci being right than your fellow Americans dying.Horse Hockey https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2021801.

Yes, Senator "I'm not a real MD" Paul asked the question. Why didn't you show Fauci's denial?

Why is it that conservative math is always 2+2=5?

MarquisdeSade1
05-30-21, 14:07
OMG. Are you fucking kidding me? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/.

Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection.

Whether HCQ works or not is up for debate, but there is research saying it might and only a Democratic douche like yourself would say it does not.

As for why Antivaxxers are hesitant, America's top virologist, Anthony Fauci, argued in 2012 that the risks of a lab accident sparking a pandemic are outweighed by the potential benefits of manipulating viruses via gain-of-function research, according to previously unsurfaced remarks reported by Sharri Markson via The Australian.

Here is the video of him doing so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJIi_DotSB4.

And here is Rand Paul asking Fauci if he used NIH money, taxpayer money, to fund the very Corona virus we are now fighting.

https://youtu.be/TkE_mw6bRcg

And you want to align yourself with "scientists" like Fauci and proclaim anyone idiots who does not follow every word he says when he may have caused the whole damned pandemic? You are such a Democratic douche you care more about Fauci being right than your fellow Americans dying.https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2021/06/14/the-fall-of-saint-anthony-fauci/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

MarquisdeSade1
05-31-21, 03:53
I don't mind following the government guidelines if it is backed by science and not by a "hunch". Antivaxers are on the right wing side, they work by beliefs not by facts or reason.https://amgreatness.com/2021/05/27/white-liberal-control-freaks-are-a-menace-to-liberty/

Feel free to opine.

Pokeris
08-26-21, 06:40
This guy with many nonsense questions its a troll. If you check his profile you can see he was asking years and years nonsense questions in African forums and sending private message for members after some time people stop respond him so he make clone with different name and again asking same questions in the end he never go any country anyway and never add valuable reports for a forums. Guys don't waste your time on him.

AddictedToWomen
08-26-21, 22:15
OMG. Are you fucking kidding me? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/.

Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection.MANY things work in vitro. I wouldn't be such a stupid fuck as to put them in my body though.

GrownMan1
08-28-21, 06:28
My Man T (A. K. a. Mister 2000 pumps A. K. a. Hyena meat) and I went to Bogot for a day. We wanted to spend two days but T booked a flight for the wrong ticket. He got Cartagena and Bogota confused. So we just stayed the day in Cartagena and the next day proceeded to Bogota.

Mind you T had to convince me to go to Bogot. We were in Cali however, he had been on YouTube fantasizing about the fair complexion chicas from the Bogota Street scene.

While in Cali our guide constantly discouraged him from trying to talk to streetwalkers; he was determined to go and do his thang in Bogot. We arrived about 4 o'clock in the afternoon and checked in at Hotel San Francisco.

Met up with Master Monger who showed us a few Casas. MM was cool enough to show us around and even offered to wait outside if we see something we like. That was cool with T but not with me. I just couldn't let a man wait for me even though he offered. T had already picked his chica but change his mind when I said I refused to wait for him.

We went to another Casa. T walked in, A chica smiled at him, and he decided he wants her all night. I asked him did he want an all nighter with a chica he hasn't even interview? He said yes. OK cool do your thing.

I was irritated because T gets Tunnel vision. When he sees what he thinks he wants that's all that matters to him. He doesn't focus on price, time, money, safety, or local advice. He's my road dog but I have to deal with him with rough hands. He stop going to the Dominican republic because the chicas can Play him like a flute and take advantage of him. I constantly remind him it's not the chicas.

After arguing because I didn't disagree with him picking a chica for the rest of the night; but I was very adamant about not hanging out with them and going to do my own thing. We don't know this chicas from Adam and I don't operate like that.

He and the chica had agreed 400 k pesos for tln. She tried to get her cousin who didn't look bad to come with us but No, I don't operate like this. I told T once before to stop agreeing to high prices without negotiating.

This is my first time in Bogot. I'm not going to make an tln for 400 k pesos with a chick that gives me a little attention. He was upset because I didn't want to jump the gun with him. We end of leaving that Casa empty-handed.

We got back to the Santa Fe scene and T was in hog heaven flirting with the street walkers. There was a lot of police presence so I was cool.

It was about 12 AM and he ran across a young street walker that smiled at him. He immediately asked how much for all night and she said 200 k. I had already explain to him the going rate for streetwalkers is 50 k. I also told him I saw her earlier with her pimp Snorting what seem to be cocaine. I was good for the night.

On Our way back to the hotel T's chica ran across one of her SW amigas. Both of these girls were young Venezuelans. She suggested her friend join us for the same price. I was attracted to her friend however I told them I don't do tln and I'm not paying 200 K. The price went from 200 K to 100 K. OK 100 K but BBBJ is included in the deal. I could've got her for a lower price but T had set the tone.

We get to the hotel and T pays for two beers and we go to our rooms. Inside my room my chica asked me for the money upfront. I open my door and told her she can leave because I do not pay money upfront. She excepted that and we had a good session. She was the only chica that squirted during my whole vacation.

We got done and I let her play supermodel. I gave her a gift then her amiga came knocking at the door. Asking me to come to their room. T was just getting started sitting in the bed but naked. What were why'all doing all of this time he said kissing and cuddling.

He then ask me for 200 K. Stating he lost his money. You had about 600 K on you how did you lose it? He started talking in circles and asked me just to give him 200 K. Apparently before they got started the girl wanted the money upfront. He didn't care about the money he lost but, he pleaded for me to give him 200 K. Fine I gave it to him and went in my room.

15 minutes later I hear her walking pass my room. He said as soon as he gave her the money, they had sex for five minutes, and she told him she had to go. He just let her go no questions.

I told him his quick decisions could have put him 800 K in the hole. He said he didn't care and talked about how tight her hole was when they were having sex. He says if he comes back he's going to offer her $500 if she lets him get it how he wants. I told him when he makes that move I will not be with him.

LoveItHere69
09-06-21, 14:33
My Man T (A. K. a. Mister 2000 pumps A. K. a. Hyena meat) and I went to Bogot for a day. We wanted to spend two days but T booked a flight for the wrong ticket. He got Cartagena and Bogota confused.

I was irritated because T gets Tunnel vision. When he sees what he thinks he wants that's all that matters to him. He doesn't focus on price, time, money, safety, or local advice. He's my road dog but I have to deal with him with rough hands. He stop going to the Dominican republic because the chicas can Play him like a flute and take advantage of him. I constantly remind him it's not the chicas.

I could've got her for a lower price but T had set the tone.

He then ask me for 200 K. Stating he lost his money. You had about 600 K on you how did you lose it? He started talking in circles and asked me just to give him 200 K. Apparently before they got started the girl wanted the money upfront. He didn't care about the money he lost but, he pleaded for me to give him 200 K. Fine I gave it to him and went in my room.

15 minutes later I hear her walking pass my room. He said as soon as he gave her the money, they had sex for five minutes, and she told him she had to go. He just let her go no questions.

I told him his quick decisions could have put him 800 K in the hole. He said he didn't care and talked about how tight her hole was when they were having sex. He says if he comes back he's going to offer her $500 if she lets him get it how he wants. I told him when he makes that move I will not be with him.Why do you hang around someone who fantasizes about Bogota but buys the wrong plane ticket to Cali? Acts like a 30 year old virgin who will obviously say yes to anything the girl asks for. Which I assume he is just as brain dead when it comes to speaking with taxi drivers and everyone else. Gets his money stolen most likely from the same girl (it was not lost). That would be one of the reasons she wanted to leave so fast so you would not tell him to check her purse. Then he thinks offering more money will equate to better service. This level of stupidity actual puts you both in danger in many ways.

I hate stupid and will walk away from it in a heartbeat. But as soon as someone starts doing things that put me in danger from locals or legal issues I run away. He attracts "drama". I could never even hang around someone like that for 10 minutes. But you travel with "your road dog" regularly? Why? Dead serious. You just need to be needed? Hate being lonely hunting alone? You feel like you are doing God's Work to assist the mentally weak and handicapped?

Along those lines. Why is it that so many black guys will not travel alone? I was in DR for 5 days. All the black guys coming and going into the hotel came in groups. One guy wanted to go out but his buddy who brought him there was supposedly visiting with family and did not want to go out. Really weird thing was the 6 family members were all guys so females. We were 2 blocks away from the street girl area. I am short and white and never been there. Plus, I had food poisoning from Nicaragua and afraid to go out for long durations. Afraid to leave my throne. I took him that afternoon past the street girl area and down the beach and back. Felt sorry for the guy and he reminds me of you. Why put up with that shit?

GrownMan1
09-11-21, 12:11
Why do you hang around someone who fantasizes about Bogota but buys the wrong plane ticket to Cali? Acts like a 30 year old virgin who will obviously say yes to anything the girl asks for. Which I assume he is just as brain dead when it comes to speaking with taxi drivers and everyone else. Gets his money stolen most likely from the same girl (it was not lost). That would be one of the reasons she wanted to leave so fast so you would not tell him to check her purse. Then he thinks offering more money will equate to better service. This level of stupidity actual puts you both in danger in many ways.

I hate stupid and will walk away from it in a heartbeat. But as soon as someone starts doing things that put me in danger from locals or legal issues I run away. He attracts "drama". I could never even hang around someone like that for 10 minutes. But you travel with "your road dog" regularly? Why? Dead serious. You just need to be needed? Hate being lonely hunting alone? You feel like you are doing God's Work to assist the mentally weak and handicapped?

Along those lines. Why is it that so many black guys will not travel alone? I was in DR for 5 days. All the black guys coming and going into the hotel came in groups. One guy wanted to go out but his buddy who brought him there was supposedly visiting with family and did not want to go out. Really weird thing was the 6 family members were all guys so females. We were 2 blocks away from the street girl area. I am short and white and never been there. Plus, I had food poisoning from Nicaragua and afraid to go out for long durations. Afraid to leave my throne. I took him that afternoon past the street girl area and down the beach and back. Felt sorry for the guy and he reminds me of you. Why put up with that shit?There is a challenged guy that works in a grocery store. When I see him I'll always speak and converse with him for a while. He doesn't remember but we bag groceries together in the late 80's. He and I also graduated the same year and high school. Why do I talk to him because we have history. I don't see myself better than anyone just because we're different.

I don't look for perfect friends I look for sincere friends. I look for friends who will have my back to a degree. I know G weakness as well as his strengths. I accept them in dealing with him as he does mine. At no time dealing with him did I feel that my safety was in jeopardy.

If my friend wants to overpay after I explain the prices that's cool with me. It's his money. I understand it's not my job to tell another man how to enjoy his money but as a friend I will advise him. He and I go back as far as the mid 80's. I still think his actions deserved to be post here.

I don't think It's smart to travel the first time to a foreign area without a wing man. I don't feel need to be needed but If we are rolling together I have your back.

All the black guys coming and going to the hotels were in groups? Not one black single traveler? Ok. Did they make you feel a minority? (probably not) Where I come from we call what you're doing jock clocking. I bet you can remember what cologne they wore?

I'm too high on my throne to teach you the benefits of traveling with a group. Especially in places like the DR. However I doubt I will come to Bogot with a group of 7. We moved around in Taxis in Bogota. A big group can't fit in a taxi.

" I took him that afternoon past the street girl area and down the beach and back. Felt sorry for the guy and he reminds me of you. Why put up with that shit?"

Why don't you ask yourself that question? If you can see Your own compassion inconveniencing yourself and deal with a stranger; why can't you understand my compassion doing the same with a friend?

JjBee62
09-26-21, 20:36
Each time you get the covid and your immune system clears it means you've got immunity from another strain. If everyone had the sense to do this, there'd be no need for profitable experimental vaccines.Yep. That right there is sense. That's the kind of sense that says, since you're unlikely to get struck by lightning twice, you should do your best to get struck by lightning.

Apparently someone didn't get the memo. I can understand how some people didn't notice, but getting the virus also means there's a chance you will not get another chance to get the virus a second time. I guess that's one of the benefits of being dead. There's also the risk you'll end up spending 6 months in the hospital. I suppose that's a good thing if you like running up big medical bills. Then there's the risk of permanent disability, which is definitely a win, because you can get the good parking spots.

If you don't want to get vaccinated I really don't give a fuck, but if you're going to post idiotic things, people are going to notice.

Zeos1
09-26-21, 21:02
Each time you get the covid and your immune system clears it means you've got immunity from another strain. If everyone had the sense to do this, there'd be no need for profitable experimental vaccines.Best immunity is still from vaccines, longer lasting and stronger. If everyone had sense they would get vaccinated. And pick one that is being produced on a cost basis if profit bothers you.

Elvis 2008
09-27-21, 06:59
Turgid and GeneHickman are correct. If you just think (but aren't sure) that you've been sick beyond the first 2 times, those might not have been actual infections but Covid long-term effects. Tinnitus, since you've mentioned it, is one of them.

But if you've really been diagnosed with Covid 5 times in 1. 5 years, there is something very wrong with your immune system.My God, you guys and your MSNBC. How would you go about "checking the immune system"?

And why does he need to run out and get a vaccine? Are you referring to the study that said you are 2.34 X less likely to get Covid after you are previously infected? Is that the one?

Yeah, that was the headline number, but you did not look at the actual data right? You just read the paper or listened to the news. So the Kentucky study showed 246 people who were infected in 2020, and they broke them down into two groups: unvaccinated and vaccinated and they looked at how many had a positive Covid test in a two month period. 50 people (20.3%) who were fully vaccinated had a + test for Covid in May or June 2021, and 179 people (73%) who were not vaccinated had a + test for Covid.

So you look at this data and say "Hey, Woodman, you should go get a vaccine." But wait a second. The CDC is saying now that vaccines do not prevent transmission; all they do is prevent death and hospitalization.

So how many people died or were hospitalized among the fully vaccinated? And how many died or were hospitalized in the non vaccinated group? That is kind of important right?

Yeah, the answer is zero in both groups.


If there is anyone who needs a vaccine right away, that's you. For the record, no, I'm not a medical professional, but, I guess, it doesn't matter because you don't trust them anyway.
Yeah, no shit, you are not a health care professional. You are proposing a therapy to someone who would get no benefit from it but has a risk of side effects. If Woodman took your advice, got the vaccine, and had any side effect, and I was his expert witness, I would shred you into so many pieces your malpractice company would be begging to settle.

Hell, Fauci did not know what to say with regards to vaccinating previously infected people in light of the recent Israeli data on how much better natural immunity was in comparison to vaccine induced immunity, but you do. Oh right, that Israeli study has not been peer reviewed.

But for giggles, let us just look at the numbers. 264 people in the Kentucky study versus the Israeli study which had a few more, namely 673,676.


What you call an "independent thought" has another name -- old plain stubbornness. But, oh well.I would actually call him smart and you all the opposite of that.

Elvis 2008
09-27-21, 08:02
Each time you get the covid and your immune system clears it means you've got immunity from another strain. If everyone had the sense to do this, there'd be no need for profitable experimental vaccines.Yeah, there is a problem with the data. All the countries right now that have 100,000 cases per million right now (save for tiny Georgia) are heavily vaccinated. In real life, though, I am seeing more infections among the unvaccinated than vaccinated. So I am like WTF is really going on?

Before I said that asymptomatic spread was bullshit, but now it would seem that it is what has to be going on. In fact, the only thing that fits the data in Israel is that the vaccinated are carrying the virus not having any or very mild symptoms and passing it onto those that are not vaccinated.

The interesting thing is where Covid numbers are fading: India, Colombia, Peru. There is a lot of natural immunity there, and that fits the Israeli data as well: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf.

This article is a long read, but it is the best I have read. I will say that this article changed my mind about vaccinations, and it confirmed what I deduced from the numbers: https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html.

Here are some of the highlights:

This never-ending conveyor belt of mutations means that everyone's immunity to COVID was always only going to be temporary and only offer partial cross-reactive protection against future re-infections. Thus, from day one, COVID vaccination was always doomed to the same fate as the flu vaccine a lifelong regimen of annual booster shots to try to keep pace with "variants" for those unwilling to expose themselves to the risk of a natural infection. And the hope that by the time the vaccines (and their booster shots) roll off the production line, they won't already be out of date when confronted by the current generation of virus mutations.

Coronaviruses, like other respiratory viruses, are therefore constantly producing a never-ending conveyor belt of "variants" that make long-lasting herd immunity impossible. Variants are normal. The alarm raised by our public health authorities about "variants" and the feigned compassion of pharmaceutical companies as they rush to develop fresh boosters capable of fighting variants is a charade, much like expressing surprise about the sun rising in the East.

Now, as all the inevitable limitations and problems with these vaccines become apparent (I. E. Fading of vaccine-induced immunity, vaccines proving to only be partially effective, the rise of new variants, and the vaccinated population demonstrably catching and spreading the virus a. K. a. The leaky vaccine phenomenon), the surprise that our health authorities are showing simply isn't credible. As I have shown you, all this was 100% to be expected. They intentionally weaponized fear and false expectations to unleash a fraudulent bait-and-switch racket of global proportions. Immunity on demand, forever.

End of link.

The famed 95% effective number for Pfizer and 94% for Moderna have already been rounded down. They worked so great at first and as such they got me. I should have known they could not work any better than a common flu vaccine, but the vaccinated spreading the virus? Damn was that on target.

Now I know why there is a push for mandates. If people understood how shitty these vaccines really were, they would be refusing them in droves.

I am always way ahead of the curve on these things but shorting Pfizer and Moderna particularly looks like a no-brainer but when? You can see how many people are not looking at the data themselves and continue to drink the Kool Aid.

Villainy
11-06-21, 18:22
My God, you guys and your MSNBC. How would you go about "checking the immune system"?
And why does he need to run out and get a vaccine? Are you referring to the study that said you are 2.34 X less likely to get Covid after you are previously infected? Is that the one?1st thing, if you don't agree with Elvis. He will explain that you are a "Democratic Douche" and it really doesn't matter how wrong he is or how right you are.

Everyone (well not quite everyone) knows by now that you are far, FAR less likely to acquire CoVid or one of the mutations if you have been vaccinated. Even survivors of CoVid are encouraged to get vaccinated because the vaccines are far more effective against the mutations than just having the residual antibodies from your infection.


......So you look at this data and say "Hey, Woodman, you should go get a vaccine." But wait a second. The CDC is saying now that vaccines do not prevent transmission; all they do is prevent death and hospitalization.This is one of Elvis' logical fallacies. He is right that if you HAVE the virus the vaccine doesn't prevent you from passing it to people you interact with. BUT the vaccine makes it a heck of a lot less likely you will get the virus in the first place. If you don't HAVE it you can't transmit it. Unvaccinated people are far MORE likely to acquire the virus and therefore to transmit it. Seems simple right? Not to Elvis.


Yeah, no shit, you are not a health care professional. You are proposing a therapy to someone who would get no benefit from it but has a risk of side effects. If Woodman took your advice, got the vaccine, and had any side effect, and I was his expert witness, I would shred you into so many pieces your malpractice company would be begging to settle.Seriously dude? You're an expert on the practice of law too? Well I HAVE testified as an expert witness in my field. There is something called a 'Daubert Motion' where either party in the lawsuit can move to invalidate an expert witness who doesn't have a high level of educational credentials or many years of experience that would qualify him (or her) as someone whose opinion is anything more than their own. Unless you could produce a MA or PhD in epidemiology or something equivalent in actual experience you would be laughed out of court as an "expert".

Let me remind people who may not have seen this. One year ago Elvis predicted 80,000 deaths in the US maximum. He was ridiculed for this "expert opinion" and today the US is rapidly approaching 800,000 deaths attributable to CoVid. He was wrong by a factor of 10.

Elvis praised Sweden for not closing down their businesses while other were doing so. I pointed out that a year later the countries most like Sweden. Which are Norway, Finland and Denmark had a far lower incidence of CoVid cases and a far lower rate of death. Elvis and his associates claim that picking those countries is "cherry-picking" . I ask you. Can you think any countries that would be more comparable? I sure can't.

So all in all, don't place much reliance on anything Elvis writes. Nobody in the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread does.

Woodman09
11-19-21, 17:17
So funny / Scary how people want me to Risk My Life and get vaxxed-- I have a condition that could bring blood clots on but These DkHds want me to Risk My Life Anyway-- F-you.


Yeah, there is a problem with the data. All the countries right now that have 100,000 cases per million right now (save for tiny Georgia) are heavily vaccinated. In real life, though, I am seeing more infections among the unvaccinated than vaccinated. So I am like WTF is really going on?

Before I said that asymptomatic spread was bullshit, but now it would seem that it is what has to be going on. In fact, the only thing that fits the data in Israel is that the vaccinated are carrying the virus not having any or very mild symptoms and passing it onto those that are not vaccinated.

The interesting thing is where Covid numbers are fading: India, Colombia, Peru. There is a lot of natural immunity there, and that fits the Israeli data as well: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf.

This article is a long read, but it is the best I have read. I will say that this article changed my mind about vaccinations, and it confirmed what I deduced from the numbers: https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html.

Here are some of the highlights:..

Woodman09
11-19-21, 17:29
1st thing, if you don't agree with Elvis. He will explain that you are a "Democratic Douche" and it really doesn't matter how wrong he is or how right you are.

Everyone (well not quite everyone) knows by now that you are far, FAR less likely to acquire CoVid or one of the mutations if you have been vaccinated. Even survivors of CoVid are encouraged to get vaccinated because the vaccines are far more effective against the mutations than just having the residual antibodies from your infection.

This is one of Elvis' logical fallacies. He is right that if you HAVE the virus the vaccine doesn't prevent you from passing it to people you interact with. BUT the vaccine makes it a heck of a lot less likely you will get the virus in the first place. If you don't HAVE it you can't transmit it. Unvaccinated people are far MORE likely to acquire the virus and therefore to transmit it. Seems simple right? Not to Elvis.

Seriously dude? You're an expert on the practice of law too? Well I HAVE testified as an expert witness in my field. There is something called a 'Daubert Motion' where either party in the lawsuit can move to invalidate an expert witness who doesn't have a high level of educational credentials or many years of experience that would qualify him (or her) as someone whose opinion is anything more than their own. Unless you could produce a MA or PhD in epidemiology or something equivalent in actual experience you would be laughed out of court as an "expert".Elvis makes me have poopied pants too #waaaahhhhhHhhhhh.

Elvis 2008
11-20-21, 07:01
If you don't agree with Elvis. He will explain that you are a "Democratic Douche" and it really doesn't matter how wrong he is or how right you are.LOL. No, I call people Democratic douches who are hooked on MSNBC and the NYT and engage in illogical hyperpartisan behavior like when Xpartan was such an idiot to give Woodman advice about getting the vaccine and checking his immune status.


Everyone (well not quite everyone) knows by now that you are far, FAR less likely to acquire CoVid or one of the mutations if you have been vaccinated. Even survivors of CoVid are encouraged to get vaccinated because the vaccines are far more effective against the mutations than just having the residual antibodies from your infection.The first sentence is exactly what I am talking about. You listen only to your sources and then imagine everyone is on your side, and those that are not are stupid. Your majority is delusional.

As for the second point, I already listed a letter where the CDC could not find one case where someone who had Covid and cleared the infection passed it on to someone else. Natural immunity is better than vaccine induced immunity and that is known, and once more, you are in this Democratic douche one vaccine size fits all category.

Covid antibodies can be measured. If they are measured and the levels are 400 versus 20, do you think it might be stupid to give someone with a 400 level a vaccine? Why the fuck would you do that? Do you want the person to stroke out or have heart problems? That part was not covered on MSNBC or the NYT right douche? Hmm, I wonder why.


BUT the vaccine makes it a heck of a lot less likely you will get the virus in the first place. If you don't HAVE it you can't transmit it. Unvaccinated people are far MORE likely to acquire the virus and therefore to transmit it.Then why do the countries with so many vaccinated have so much fucking Covid? I have asked that like 10 times and you douches keep ducking the question. Obviously, the vaccinated are carrying it and giving it to the unvaccinated.


Let me remind people who may not have seen this. One year ago Elvis predicted 80,000 deaths in the US maximum. He was ridiculed for this "expert opinion" and today the US is rapidly approaching 800,000 deaths attributable to CoVid. He was wrong by a factor of 10.LOL. And you douches were off by a factor of 10 in your prediction of one million. Not one of you douches said there would be 100 million cases, so let us go on to what my other points were.

I said that before you engage in destructive behavior you make sure you know what you are doing worked. I think that was right. You douches said jobs return but people never do. 100,000 overdoses last year douche, highest ever. You lock people, induce depression, and they do drugs. There is a good chance before this over, the lockdowns are going to have killed more people than the virus has AND induced economic depression.

With all the disease preventing crap, do you consider 100 million Americans getting a Covid a fucking success?

I called out Fauci as a rat, and he is one.

I made a prediction based on the existing known curve. This virus was man made and is unique.

I said travel bans were bullshit, and they were.

I called out the stupid political shit like covid testing before flying back to the USA and PCR testing when going into Colombia.

And I called out the destructive political bullshit. Hell, every fucking day the NYT is trying to say the blue states did better or are doing better than the red states as if government is the only fucking thing that matters with the spread of a virus? So there are 47 million cases in blue states versus 53 in red states? Who gives a fuck?


So all in all, don't place much reliance on anything Elvis writes. Nobody in the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread does.Here we go with your douche like imagined majority. I believe in the freedom to choose. I do not know anyone's medical history and because of that I am not as stupid to tell someone to get the vaccine or not.

But you and your fellow douche Xpartan are so fucking stupid that you think you have that right.

MarquisdeSade1
11-20-21, 19:06
LOL. No, I call people Democratic douches who are hooked on MSNBC and the NYT and engage in illogical hyperpartisan behavior like when Xpartan was such an idiot to give Woodman advice about getting the vaccine and checking his immune status.

The first sentence is exactly what I am talking about. You listen only to your sources and then imagine everyone is on your side, and those that are not are stupid. Your majority is delusional.

As for the second point, I already listed a letter where the CDC could not find one case where someone who had Covid and cleared the infection passed it on to someone else. Natural immunity is better than vaccine induced immunity and that is known, and once more, you are in this Democratic douche one vaccine size fits all category.

Covid antibodies can be measured. If they are measured and the levels are 400 versus 20, do you think it might be stupid to give someone with a 400 level a vaccine? Why the fuck would you do that? Do you want the person to stroke out or have heart problems? That part was not covered on MSNBC or the NYT right douche? Hmm, I wonder why.

Then why do the countries with so many vaccinated have so much fucking Covid? I have asked that like 10 times and you douches keep ducking the question. Obviously, the vaccinated are carrying it and giving it to the unvaccinated.

LOL. And you douches were off by a factor of 10 in your prediction of one million. Not one of you douches said there would be 100 million cases, so let us go on to what my other points were.

I said that before you engage in destructive behavior you make sure you know what you are doing worked. I think that was right. You douches said jobs return but people never do. 100,000 overdoses last year douche, highest ever. You lock people, induce depression, and they do drugs. There is a good chance before this over, the lockdowns are going to have killed more people than the virus has AND induced economic depression..https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/14/google-cant-cover-for-fauci-forever-but-its-trying/

DramaFree11
11-21-21, 04:22
LOL. No, I call people Democratic douches who are hooked on MSNBC and the NYT and engage in illogical hyperpartisan behavior like when Xpartan was such an idiot to give Woodman advice about getting the vaccine and checking his immune status.

The first sentence is exactly what I am talking about. You listen only to your sources and then imagine everyone is on your side, and those that are not are stupid. Your majority is delusional.

As for the second point, I already listed a letter where the CDC could not find one case where someone who had Covid and cleared the infection passed it on to someone else. Natural immunity is better than vaccine induced immunity and that is known, and once more, you are in this Democratic douche one vaccine size fits all category.

Covid antibodies can be measured. If they are measured and the levels are 400 versus 20, do you think it might be stupid to give someone with a 400 level a vaccine? Why the fuck would you do that? Do you want the person to stroke out or have heart problems? That part was not covered on MSNBC or the NYT right douche? Hmm, I wonder why.

Then why do the countries with so many vaccinated have so much fucking Covid? I have asked that like 10 times and you douches keep ducking the question. Obviously, the vaccinated are carrying it and giving it to the unvaccinated.

LOL. And you douches were off by a factor of 10 in your prediction of one million. Not one of you douches said there would be 100 million cases, so let us go on to what my other points were..Elvis, I agree with most everything you say. The lockdown will kill way more then Virus ever did, it will not even be close, the media never reports on this. I hope the economy will not crash, but I am afraid it will.

This is what makes me mad, nobody says a word about the violence, the obesity problem, and the drug problems in America. These are much bigger problem then the virus, but this does not fit the media narrative, so they ignore it. Yes, CNN and there partner's in crime are ruining America, it is so sad. Hopefully Americans will wake up before it is too late, but it is not looking good. I will keep working in America and banging girls abroad, but not in Colombia. All you guys are just too crazy for me, I will stick with Mexico and the states.

Villainy
11-22-21, 02:42
LOL. No, I call people Democratic douches who are hooked on MSNBC and the NYT and engage in illogical hyperpartisan behavior like when Xpartan was such an idiot to give Woodman advice about getting the vaccine and checking his immune status.That is just a lie. You call anyone who disagrees with you a "Democratic douche" that is just what you do. You seem to be unable to fathom the idea that you don't know everything and that others may be better informed or simply capable of better logical reasoning. That's OK. I am retired and living in Colombia. I haven't seen MSNBC in years nor do I read the NY Times. Although I do see some of their statistical compilations from time to time. I guess that is enough to brand me a "Democratic douche" right?


.As for the second point, I already listed a letter where the CDC could not find one case where someone who had Covid and cleared the infection passed it on to someone else. Natural immunity is better than vaccine induced immunity and that is known, and once more, you are in this Democratic douche one vaccine size fits all category.Typical of Elvis reasoning. The letter didn't say they couldn't "find one case. " what they said was they didn't track that information. They didn't say it didn't exist, they simply said they didn't keep records on it. You are twerking that to mean that it doesn't exist. Which is NOT what they said. We call that lying and not very skillfully either.


Then why do the countries with so many vaccinated have so much fucking Covid? I have asked that like 10 times and you douches keep ducking the question. Obviously, the vaccinated are carrying it and giving it to the unvaccinated. Which countries are you talking about? Why don't you list them and I'll look into it and tell you why you're wrong.


LOL. And you douches were off by a factor of 10 in your prediction of one million. Not one of you douches said there would be 100 million cases, so let us go on to what my other points were.So you predicted 80,000 deaths in the US but as of today we are at 793,000 deaths. You were wrong by a factor of 10. Obviously you didn't have a clue what you were talking about. Your explanation isn't "Gee I didn't know what I was talking about" your comment is: "not one of you douches (you really love that word don't you?) said there would be 100 million cases. BTW who predicted 1 million cases?

Well, 'Elvis the uniformed'. There are only 48+ million cases in the US to date. Not 100 million cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html


With all the disease preventing crap, do you consider 100 million Americans getting a Covid a fucking success?See above. 47-48 million cases. So this time you are off by a factor of 2 X. I guess getting data first before you go off on your rant is just not in your DNA.


I called out Fauci as a rat, and he is one.

I made a prediction based on the existing known curve. This virus was man made and is unique.

I said travel bans were bullshit, and they were.

I called out the stupid political shit like covid testing before flying back to the USA and PCR testing when going into Colombia.

And I called out the destructive political bullshit. Hell, every fucking day the NYT is trying to say the blue states did better or are doing better than the red states as if government is the only fucking thing that matters with the spread of a virus? So there are 47 million cases in blue states versus 53 in red states? Who gives a fuck?.I won't bother to refute every piece of BS that you just threw out. It just gets to be too tiring. Just try getting the facts straight before you lift-off OK? Can you do that?

Elvis 2008
11-22-21, 10:18
That is just a lie. You call anyone who disagrees with you a "Democratic douche" that is just what you do. You seem to be unable to fathom the idea that you don't know everything and that others may be better informed or simply capable of better logical reasoning. That's OK. I am retired and living in Colombia. I haven't seen MSNBC in years nor do I read the NY Times. Although I do see some of their statistical compilations from time to time. I guess that is enough to brand me a "Democratic douche" right?You do not read the NYT or MSNBC but then say you do? And you are calling me a liar? And this is how you start out?


The letter didn't say they couldn't "find one case. " what they said was they didn't track that information. They didn't say it didn't exist, they simply said they didn't keep records on it. You are twerking that to mean that it doesn't exist. Which is NOT what they said. We call that lying and not very skillfully either.This is why you are a douche right here. The government does not have proof that vaccinating people with natural immunity does any good, and you are such a government dick sucking douche, you are like "that is fine". And you are such a patronizing douche you have the audacity to say you are better informed when you admit to being blind and being led by the blind!

So what are you getting Villany? You getting your 3 or 4 grand a month from Social Security and living it up in Colombia? And you are afraid that maybe if we question government, we might be questioning their payments to you! So your brilliant idea is to suck the government's dick no matter what they say even when you live in Colombia.

And you are in Colombia and you are lecturing me on being better informed, and I have seen hundreds of cases of Covid in person?

Your case is that because I predicted only 80,000 cases or deaths (not sure which one now) of Covid and no one should listen to me because of that right?

My question to you is who was right about how many cases there would be? It is easy to say I was wrong but show me who was right about the number of cases and why.

If you go to the number of estimated cases now, we are up to 146.6 million. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html.

So everyone in government was fucking wrong. They told is if we did X, Y, and Z we could slow the number of infections, and all their interventions did not do jack shit.

But you Mr. Well Informed are so fucking stupid that you still think these interventions did work. Here you are in fucking Colombia admitting to everyone that you are a CPA, telling them how things are in the USA and not just that but telling people that they should get vaccinated. You are so fucking arrogant that you think that you should be giving out health advice.

You are the poster child of the government dick sucking Democratic douche and like all douches you virtue signal but at the end of the day, all you really care about is your own fucking check.

Cons68
11-22-21, 15:52
That is just a lie. You call anyone who disagrees with you a "Democratic douche" that is just what you do. You seem to be unable to fathom the idea that you don't know everything and that others may be better informed or simply capable of better logical reasoning. That's OK. I am retired and living in Colombia. I haven't seen MSNBC in years nor do I read the NY Times. Although I do see some of their statistical compilations from time to time. I guess that is enough to brand me a "Democratic douche" right?
Refuting shit takes way more time than producing it, silencing is far more effective, if you do not mind me giving my opinion.

Paulie97
11-22-21, 17:41
LOL. No, I call people Democratic douches who are hooked on MSNBC and the NYT This while you immerse your brain in Tucker Carlson, Newsmax, OANN, and right wingnut YouTube shock jock wannabes, and without doing any fact checking. These sources are at least as biased as the ones you complain about. That's why for a year and a half you've been caught in lie after lie, and one failed prediction after another in the matter of Covid. That's also why most of us have all but stopped bothering with your posts, because you are long beaten and discredited.


Then why do the countries with so many vaccinated have so much fucking Covid?Ha Ha and this is your favorite tool, loaded questions that assume "facts" not entered into evidence. There's been maps linked to here that has shown that US states with the lowest vaccination rates have had the most trouble with Covid. Presently several countries with high vaccine skepticism and very low vaccination rates across the population have their backs against the wall. That includes Russia, the Ukraine, and Romania.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I'm not going to call you a "douche" but you certainly are a weasel, incapable of honest debate and source citations to back up your claims, or even posting while sober as it so often seems. You also are a sucker for right wingnut media, and are hypocritical when you complain about bias from the other side of the spectrum.

Paulie97
11-22-21, 17:57
Elvis, I agree with most everything you say. The lockdown will kill way more then Virus ever did, it will not even be close, the media never reports on this. I hope the economy will not crash, but I am afraid it will.Yet another that's swallows hook, line, and sinker what right wing nut media sells without pausing to think or fact check. Restrictions were first implemented to buy time, until effective treatments and vaccines could be developed. That has taken place and lives have been saved. At this point restrictions only serve to keep hospital systems from becoming overwhelmed, so bodies don't pour out into the streets and so there are beds available for non Covid related emergencies. It's all pretty simple, practical and even necessary, but you'll be lost in a hurry if you let clowns like Elvis do your thinking for you.

DramaFree11
11-22-21, 21:09
Yet another that's swallows hook, line, and sinker what right wing nut media sells without pausing to think or fact check. Restrictions were first implemented to buy time, until effective treatments and vaccines could be developed. That has taken place and lives have been saved. At this point restrictions only serve to keep hospital systems from becoming overwhelmed, so bodies don't pour out into the streets and so there are beds available for non Covid related emergencies. It's all pretty simple, practical and even necessary, but you'll be lost in a hurry if you let clowns like Elvis do your thinking for you.Nope, the nut job is you. You guys are going to get what you wanted when the economy crashes. Again the lockdown will cause way more deaths and destruction then Covid. I pray I am wrong!

I am in Texas, so I will be fine, zero bills and a great business. Every day I meet people fleeing liberal states, I wonder why.

ShooBree
11-22-21, 21:41
Yet another that's swallows hook, line, and sinker what right wing nut media sells without pausing to think or fact check. Restrictions were first implemented to buy time, until effective treatments and vaccines could be developed. That has taken place and lives have been saved. At this point restrictions only serve to keep hospital systems from becoming overwhelmed, so bodies don't pour out into the streets and so there are beds available for non Covid related emergencies. It's all pretty simple, practical and even necessary, but you'll be lost in a hurry if you let clowns like Elvis do your thinking for you.Paulie, aka the deranged libtard, pretends as if there isn't a murder wave sweeping across the US. By how much have the murder rate gone up in the US since Covid?

Paulie97
11-22-21, 22:07
Yes, several recent studies demonstrate that the vaccinated are much less likely to spread Covid. See the article below and follow the imbedded links. One reason is obvious, the vaccinated are less likely to catch it to begin with. In other cases questionable methodology was used to assess virual loads from nasal swabs, comparing the vaccinated to the unvaccinated. As stated regarding such a study " The study that sparked the news reports didn't measure the number of viruses in someone directly but relied on so-called Ct scores, a measure of viral RNA. However, this RNA can derive from viruses destroyed by the immune system. You can measure the RNA but it's rendered useless,' says Timothy Peto at the University of Oxford."

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/#ixzz7 CyusEMpk.

We can assume that pseudo-scientists in right wingnut media currently want to look up north where there's been some expected surges due to the weather turning cold, with more poorly ventilated indoor gatherings and even waning immunity from shots given early this year when they first became available. And this to conclude that vaccines are useless. But keep in mind these are the same people that have fought us every step of the way. First is was all a worldwide conspiracy to remove Trump from office, and that it all goes away after the election. Then it was that masks and social distancing don't work. Then everyone was called on to resume normal life and allow herd immunity to take hold, irrespective of the overflowing hospitals and deaths along the way. Now it's the "big pharma" conspiracy theories and that vaccines are not only dangerous but don't work. And when all else fails they get violent, so we are dealing with people who are intent on fighting us every step of the way, while they've been wrong every step of the way. We will see what comes next.

Woodman09
11-22-21, 22:11
All you neurotic vaxxer dickHeads are hilarious getting poopiePants on a sex website.

Elvis 2008
11-23-21, 00:33
Restrictions were first implemented to buy time, until effective treatments and vaccines could be developed. That has taken place and lives have been saved. At this point restrictions only serve to keep hospital systems from becoming overwhelmed, so bodies don't pour out into the streets and so there are beds available for non Covid related emergencies. It's all pretty simple, practical and even necessary, but you'll be lost in a hurry if you let clowns like Elvis do your thinking for you.Wow, you are really on a roll today douche. In the Medellin thread, you chide someone for straw man logic and there and here you go off on an ad hominem attack. Hell, everything you do not like is right wing.

You then lied or were misinformed about how the CDC redefined vaccine and now you are lying about lockdowns. All you douches did was * about how much better other countries were then we were with Trump in charge because he did not lock down hard enough. I said that all those Asian countries which "cured" Covid with their lockdowns were going to see it again.

That is the part you douches seem to forget. Once I saw the virus mutated and the curve changed, I changed my mind about how many cases there would be and what would happen with it. Gee, you forgot that for some reason.

And you douches and your stupid "Let's blame Republicans and Trump for everything bad" have gotten so stupid there is no hope with you. With the virus spreading, all that matters with you douches is what government is doing. There are 146.6 million cases estimated now. You know what that means? Nobody has the fucking answer, you fool, and they never have but you are too dense to get that.

Here is an article that theorizes that when humidity goes up, Covid abates. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/theory-why-covid-cases-started-skyrocketing-central-europe-last-month.

So because there is supposedly less Covid in blue states, do you suppose that is because Democratic governors do a better job raising humidity?

You are such an arrogant douche my goal in life is to be as smart as you think you are. In reality, your posts are dumb. They are all the same: parroting the liberal POV, insulting or an attempt to suck up. You have no original thoughts at all. It is no wonder that you have to pay women to tolerate your sorry ass.

ScatManDoo
11-23-21, 05:46
You are such an arrogant douche my goal in life is to be as smart as you think you are. In reality, your posts are dumb. They are all the same: parroting the liberal POV, insulting or an attempt to suck up. You have no original thoughts at all. It is no wonder that you have to pay women to tolerate your sorry ass.You don't belong on a hooker site.

Douche Elvis.

Elvis 2008
11-23-21, 15:31
Yes, several recent studies demonstrate that the vaccinated are much less likely to spread Covid. See the article below and follow the imbedded links. One reason is obvious, the vaccinated are less likely to catch it to begin with. Eh! Wrong answer!

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/10/08/fully-vaccinated-countries-had-highest-number-of-new-covid-cases-study-shows/

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

In fact, the study found the most fully vaccinated nations had the highest number of new COVID cases, based on the researchers' analysis of emerging data during a seven-day period in September.

https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/in-gibraltar-100-of-adults-are-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19-and-yet-new-cases-are-exploding/

The Gibraltar government recently announced the cancellation of "official Christmas parties, official receptions, and similar gatherings" and advised the public to avoid social events and parties for the next four weeks.

"The dramatic increase in the number of people testing positive for Covid-19 in recent days is a stark reminder that the virus is still very prevalent in our community".

More than 118% of Gibraltar's population is fully vaccinated against Covid-19. This figure exceeds 100% due to the doses received by Spaniards who cross the border to work or visit the territory every day.

In Singapore, where 94% of the eligible population has been vaccinated, cases and deaths spiked to record levels in late October and declined slightly.

In Ireland, where about 92% of the adult population is fully vaccinated, Covid-19 cases and deaths from the virus have doubled since August.

End of links.

So there you again, Paulie the douche! If only the Republican retards would (fill in the blank with whatever some scumbag bureaucrat says), the pandemic would be over!

And we need not worry about whether the vaccines are safe. Pfizer is going to release all the safety data on its Covid vaccine.

In 2076.

LOL. You cannot make this shit up: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/wait-what-even-reuters-tripping-out-55-year-delay-release-pfizer-vax-data.

Nick R5
11-23-21, 16:43
Is the vaccine mandate in Colombia actually enforced? I'm a remote-working nomad and I need to get out of the USA now. Usually I go to Mexico but I'm tired of it. I had covid, so I have immunity and wasn't going to take a vaccine. Would I be able to do things in Bogota or Medellin? Eg, grocery store, gym, restaurant, bar? I actually have a positive antibody test showing I had the virus at some point in the past, but that's probably not worth much.

Elvis 2008
11-23-21, 17:31
But keep in mind these are the same people that have fought us every step of the way.Gee, I wonder why. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html.

Let's call it the Trump virus in February 2020. So from day fucking one, you douches were blaming Republicans for the virus.

And you are so fucking arrogant you actually think you Democratic douches care more about human life than Republicans.

So we should just roll our sleeves up and let you and your "scientists" inject whatever you want? No one should be given any choice? We should just wear masks and lockdown forever ETC when there have been 146.6 million cases. When is it going to end? What does victory look like?

There is no plan and there never has been one. All your fucking plan was and has been was to blame Republicans for all the deaths and destruction.

And for the people actually who created the virus and spread it to the world AKA Fauci and the Chinese? With you fucking douches, that is still a theory not enough proof out there and why?

Because it gets in the way of your fucked up plot to blame all the death and destruction on Republicans.

Playing partisan politics with a deadly virus is a sure fire way to get it to spread, and you douches have been doing that since day one.

Woodman09
11-23-21, 19:33
Is the vaccine mandate in Colombia actually enforced? I'm a remote-working nomad and I need to get out of the USA now. Usually I go to Mexico but I'm tired of it. I had covid, so I have immunity and wasn't going to take a vaccine. Would I be able to do things in Bogota or Medellin? Eg, grocery store, gym, restaurant, bar? I actually have a positive antibody test showing I had the virus at some point in the past, but that's probably not worth much.There is no vax mandate here. There is a VaxCard requirement to get into public places but most places are ignoring it in Bogota.

Not sure about MDE. People here are not Neurotic DickHeads about it like in many cities in the US, Canada. So much Fascism going on in the world over this.

Many in Bogota Do Not Want the vax and fear it as they have heard about the injuries and deaths that are being actively covered up.

Here in Bogota many do not wear masks and no one says anything really. I wear my mask on chin or in pocket usually. I wear it when I go into a store.

More importantly the clubs in Santa Fe do not say a thing.

I believe the only reason they have put the card mandate up is pressure from big pharma cutting off $$ to the government.

I do have an LOL vax card from the USA -- I have shown once because I pulled it out, otherwise probably would not have been asked.

I wonder do the vax DkHds on this site ask their hooker dates for their vax status??

ScatManDoo
11-23-21, 23:07
Playing partisan politics with a deadly virus is a sure fire way to get it to spread, and you douches have been doing that since day one.You need to keep preaching this to the douche republicans.

Elvis 2008
11-24-21, 00:59
I wonder do the vax DkHds on this site ask their hooker dates for their vax status??They do. In fact, Paulie, Villiany, and PVMonger face time the CDC to make sure they have proper condom placement.

MarquisdeSade1
11-24-21, 03:54
Gee, I wonder why. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html.

Let's call it the Trump virus in February 2020. So from day fucking one, you douches were blaming Republicans for the virus.

And you are so fucking arrogant you actually think you Democratic douches care more about human life than Republicans.

So we should just roll our sleeves up and let you and your "scientists" inject whatever you want? No one should be given any choice? We should just wear masks and lockdown forever ETC when there have been 146.6 million cases. When is it going to end? What does victory look like?

There is no plan and there never has been one. All your fucking plan was and has been was to blame Republicans for all the deaths and destruction.

And for the people actually who created the virus and spread it to the world AKA Fauci and the Chinese? With you fucking douches, that is still a theory not enough proof out there and why?

Because it gets in the way of your fucked up plot to blame all the death and destruction on Republicans.

Playing partisan politics with a deadly virus is a sure fire way to get it to spread, and you douches have been doing that since day one.I now think its only fair to call it the Biden / Xi plague!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/23/world/covid-vaccine-boosters-mandates?type=styln-live-updates&label=coronavirus%20updates&index=0#united-states-death-toll-covid.

PVMonger
11-24-21, 14:15
They do. In fact, Paulie, Villiany, and PVMonger face time the CDC to make sure they have proper condom placement.And yet here you are, still calling non-MAGAt a douche, and still waiting to go where douches go.

Elvis 2008
11-24-21, 19:36
I now think its only fair to call it the Biden / Xi plague!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/23/world/covid-vaccine-boosters-mandates?type=styln-live-updates&label=coronavirus%20updates&index=0#united-states-death-toll-covid.Good post, MDS! And the douches with all their directives and mandates still think they have the answer.

I posted in the other thread the JNJ vaccine was now down to 3% effective and Pfizer in June was down to 39%.

But you always get this crap, "The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data. "

Well, then why are the death rates going up?

At this point, it is like we are Charlie Brown and the "scientists" are Lucy. The ball we are trying to kick is the "and everything will be back to normal once you kick the ball. " If the douches want to kick the ball, they can have at it, but they insist we do as well and scream at us that we are not team players.

With the latest crap, the booster, the same fucking thing is going to happen. There will be a new variant and the vaccine will not work as well and then you will be forced to get a new shot and on and on. That is why there were 4 spots on the vaccine card, and you are right. The new ones likely will have 20.

So we run to kick the ball, the "scientists" pull it up and we land on our ass. Thing is that the douches do not get mad at the "scientists" but us. They say "if you would have tried harder, we would have kicked the damned ball. Get your head out of your ass you fucking Trumptard."

How long until the douches realize we are not the enemy but the "scientists" are?

The only way things go back to normal is you learn to live with the virus and understand that things will never go back to "normal".