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MiamiBoy1
09-29-21, 23:55
Hi,

I just started my membership in SA and currently in Medellin. I feel most of the conversations are going no where when I say lets meet for a coffee and then decide as I am not sure if I would like her in person. So I would highly appreciate any tips on getting started as I am kind of getting tired of the PL and other places.

Thanks again.I could share a few SA contacts with you to get you started, but you need to upgrade your membership in order to receive or send PMs here.

SA in MDE is very though, you can read my recent posts in which I complain a lot LOL.

Steve 9696
09-30-21, 01:09
Haha well I guess it's not always rainbows and unicorns. Got a text yesterday from Kayla. She's hit me up before for little stuff like nails or something. And usually oblige but not always. S yesterday she hits me up wanting something specific for lunch and will I buy it for her. This is more direct than her usual hints. Wasn't totally pleased but it's chump change but I'm busy so I ignore it.

Next day I get an "guess not. Have a nice night" which was pretty bitchy for her. But I think maybe I am just reading it wrong and send her a few bucks and tell her I was busy. But then I find my messages aren't going thru and her picture disappears from WhatsApp. I think this might happen if you are blocked but I am amazed she'the block me over this.

So I let it sit a day. Then contact her on regular texts. Yep she was pissed. Guess it was a shit test and I failed. LOL. Anyhow not willing to give up the 9. 5 bareback Queen over a few bucks so we made up and she apologized and blamed her emotions on being a cancer (lots of these twenty somethings and astrology!

Obviously this is a red flag and I got to keep an eye on it. But I know how hard it is to find a quality girl. So going to bend some. Hope we just put this in the rear view cuz were meeting up again in a few weeks. Keeping fingers crossed. I know I can just next and dig in on SA bit started that today and its tough to find a unicorn like this. So gonna keep it rolling.

DramaFree11
09-30-21, 02:30
Sorry I can't help w Medellin maybe Elvis or DramaFree can. What I do know is that Seeking is not usually worth your time in a P4 P playground like Med. Facebook seems the route there. I am sure you can read more in that forum which is one of the most active on ISG.Nope, not me. I hated MDE, not a good fit for me at all. I love Mxico and Russia. Honestly I prefer American Chicks, to Colombian Chicas.

BrizLad
09-30-21, 05:00
So I let it sit a day. Then contact her on regular texts. Yep she was pissed. Guess it was a shit test and I failed. LOL. Anyhow not willing to give up the 9. 5 bareback Queen over a few bucks so we made up and she apologized and blamed her emotions on being a cancer (lots of these twenty somethings and astrology!
Ghosting and blocking are really new tactics that gen x seem to like. Easy way to not have to deal with an issue. For sue it avoids lots of small arguments about "why you dump me" but it just leads to bigger issues.

Anyway girls will ask up to the limit and just have to ask that one extra time to know the limit. Now that she know your threshold you should expect that to the the new normal. It's not clear to me from your post whether you established if she was going to far or she got away with this incursion.

I recently had a local SB in my home town text me that she was in hospital. Next text comes that she cannot afford the hospital bill. I'm not intending to send her anything. Of course I ask how much and she digs a deeper hole for herself. I ask some more. After a while I point out that as she is in a public hospital all of the drugs and expenses are covered by the federal government. Never heard from her again and I guess she starts the scam on someone else.

Midwestern
09-30-21, 05:19
Sorting through all the scammers, hookers and crazy babies is a pain in the ass. A reposting of your guide would be appreciated, thanks.Steve has posted lots of great advice on using SA in the USA. I have also posted a bunch of advice in this thread too. When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs, and most of them were great. I would say that it was worth it, BUT only because I also enjoyed the searching and the process. If the search for good SBs is a pain in the ass for you, then SA in the USA may not be ideal for you.

Midwestern
09-30-21, 05:22
"Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat."

That's hilarious. Sex for money is the entire point of the site, although some men are stupid enough to pay money for no sex.Some of the SBs are on that site to provide a relationship for money, not just sex. Of course, sex should be part of the relationship. If one was merely just looking for sex, then SA is not ideal, expecially in places where pros are readily and easiily available.

Elvis 2008
09-30-21, 08:38
Hi,

I just started my membership in SA and currently in Medellin. I feel most of the conversations are going no where when I say lets meet for a coffee and then decide as I am not sure if I would like her in person. So I would highly appreciate any tips on getting started as I am kind of getting tired of the PL and other places.

Thanks again.It sounds like you are being too picky. Filter to what you like and sent out a massive number of PMs to the women your filters allow. Use the PM service on SA to get their whatsapp number. Text them and see if they respond. It is good you are meeting at Starbucks. Once you have more dates than you have time in the day, that is when you cut back and be selective. I try not to mention money but sometimes you have to. If I was not pressed for time like you seemed to be. I would do a meet and greet first and then talk sex / price later. You can use the line that you are not supposed to talk money on SA or that you do not know what she really looks like. If the woman wants money just to meet, she is a ho and proceed like she is. If she is hesitant, and you really want to meet her, you may want to throw out a few bucks just for transportation only.

You are looking at the meetups as whether you want to have sex with said women, but you shouldn't look at them just for that. Look at it as a chance to improve your game. I had my sales pitch down so well that a woman would be a fool to turn me down, and I only had to go it rarely because the women could typically see what I offered them as a person. When I did my sales pitch, I told them what being a SB of mine meant and it would be life changing to them. I was giving them the impression that I was choosing them more than they were choosing me and in most cases in Colombia, I was.

Jack Miami
09-30-21, 19:52
Some of the SBs are on that site to provide a relationship for money, not just sex. Of course, sex should be part of the relationship. If one was merely just looking for sex, then SA is not ideal, expecially in places where pros are readily and easiily available.Of course. Most of the women would be thrilled to provide a paid "relationship" with their old shlubby clients than have sex with them. My point was just that no one should pretend that the women on these sites are anything other than prostitutes. In a lot of ways, these women are worse than prostitutes.

Globo
09-30-21, 21:25
So I am planning a trip to Barcelona and doing my SA groundwork and pre trip (connections). So far it is quite different from what I was expecting. Lots of solid 9+ SB's and quite a few Pro's. I have been using SA for quite a while in many other countries. It has been interesting because virtually none have mentioned $ or PPM yet. Likewise I am avoiding this. The (+ are super interesting and very tempting but in my experience you get a smoking body and envious looks from others but the don't put as much effort into the action. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just wondering if any of you have played in Barcelona and have any tips? I like to go for nice dinner and drinks so suggestions on this would be fantastic. I am planning to get an apartment as Hotels are typically a mixed bag and the better ones are far from most things. I prefer to get a suite or Junior suite and they don't seem worth it in BCN.

Steve 9696
10-01-21, 01:22
Of course. Most of the women would be thrilled to provide a paid "relationship" with their old shlubby clients than have sex with them. My point was just that no one should pretend that the women on these sites are anything other than prostitutes. In a lot of ways, these women are worse than prostitutes.Spoken like someone who has never had an SB! No need to spread your hate in here. Lots of other forums for you to share your "insights"!

Globo
10-01-21, 12:57
When I go travelling I always do advanced research and contact though SA. It is a number game as we all know. Inevitably schedules do not match and we can miss meeting people we would like to. Well I had wonderful proof of how the long game can work this week. I was in contact with a beautiful lady when I was travelling to Dubai last year. We had a good back and forth over messaging and got a great vibe. Unfortunately our scheduled would not work to meet due to work and travel. It was a real bummer but these thing happen.

I always play the long game with people I hit it off with someone. You never know when your paths may cross again. And randomly they crossed this week. She happened to be here in my home city on a trip with a friend. She updated we SA profile in the hope of meeting someone whilst here for the few days. I was super busy but did reach out and say Hi and gave her some recommendations on placed to go and things to do. One evening I finished up late and messaged her to complain how long my day was and see how her day had gone. She said she had planned to meet someone for a coffee earlier and they were a no show so she was really pissed. She said call over for a drink to her hotel she was still annoyed and said a drink was needed. 5 minutes later there I was. And oh my god she was so much prettier than the photos a solid 9+ with a fantastic fun personality and attitude. After a few drinks and flirting we retired for some private fun. In the past I have found 9+ to be amazing to look at but put zero effort into any fun. Well this lady was a total firecracker. Massage to begin and some amazing action. She was down for almost anything. Spent the night and had fun again in the morning.

Contribution €300 and already planning to meet again. Where else can you get this.

Jack Miami
10-01-21, 18:08
Spoken like someone who has never had an SB! No need to spread your hate in here. Lots of other forums for you to share your "insights"!I didn't post any "hate. " Looks like I hit a nerve.

Stop paying and see how long your "relationships" continue.

Steve 9696
10-01-21, 19:46
When I go travelling I always do advanced research and contact though SA. It is a number game as we all know. Inevitably schedules do not match and we can miss meeting people we would like to. Well I had wonderful proof of how the long game can work this week. I was in contact with a beautiful lady when I was travelling to Dubai last year. We had a good back and forth over messaging and got a great vibe. Unfortunately our scheduled would not work to meet due to work and travel. It was a real bummer but these thing happen.

I always play the long game with people I hit it off with someone. You never know when your paths may cross again. And randomly they crossed this week. She happened to be here in my home city on a trip with a friend. She updated we SA profile in the hope of meeting someone whilst here for the few days. I was super busy but did reach out and say Hi and gave her some recommendations on placed to go and things to do. One evening I finished up late and messaged her to complain how long my day was and see how her day had gone. She said she had planned to meet someone for a coffee earlier and they were a no show so she was really pissed. She said call over for a drink to her hotel she was still annoyed and said a drink was needed. 5 minutes later there I was. And oh my god she was so much prettier than the photos a solid 9+ with a fantastic fun personality and attitude. After a few drinks and flirting we retired for some private fun. In the past I have found 9+ to be amazing to look at but put zero effort into any fun. Well this lady was a total firecracker. Massage to begin and some amazing action. She was down for almost anything. Spent the night and had fun again in the morning.

Contribution 300 and already planning to meet again. Where else can you get this.Exactly. The summary:

1. You can get an amazing combo of looks, service, and romance if you put in the time.

2. Keep the Rolodex full. You never know when the girl roulette wheel will smile on you.

Blue Swede
10-01-21, 20:06
Of course. Most of the women would be thrilled to provide a paid "relationship" with their old shlubby clients than have sex with them. My point was just that no one should pretend that the women on these sites are anything other than prostitutes. In a lot of ways, these women are worse than prostitutes.It sounds that you are doing a log of symantics without noticing that you replaced "some"with "most" yourselves.

What do you use as arguments for determing SBs as "worse"?

I would suggest that you have limited if any insight in the SD / SB scene.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

My experience is that both SBs and SDs can find relationships they couldn't dream about. ThaT said, there is for sure some individuals in these sites who should be elsewhere. Maybe you are talking about them?

Jack Miami
10-01-21, 21:07
It sounds that you are doing a log of symantics without noticing that you replaced "some"with "most" yourselves.

What do you use as arguments for determing SBs as "worse"?

I would suggest that you have limited if any insight in the SD / SB scene.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

My experience is that both SBs and SDs can find relationships they couldn't dream about. ThaT said, there is for sure some individuals in these sites who should be elsewhere. Maybe you are talking about them?It's really funny how upset some of you guys are getting.

I said the women on these sites are worse than prostitutes because prostitutes are at least honest about who they are and what's happening.

If guys want to fool themselves into believing that they're seducing incredible women and that they're really only giving "gifts" instead of a fee, that's their (unfortunate and sad) business. But the rest of us are free to laugh at the absurdity of it.

As I said earlier, stop paying and see how long any of these "relationships" last.

Steve 9696
10-02-21, 02:03
I kinda like that I can treat my girls to experiences they might not get in their regular lives. And rarely but sometimes it's reciprocated. Like Valentina took me to the swingers club in Buenos Aires and wow was that fun. Doesn't suck to have the prettiest girl in the club either.

Well what do you know. There are swingers clubs in Florida and frankly they look pretty great. Kayla has been snd going to introduce me when we meet up. It looks super fun and classy (like they separate couples and single ladies from the single dudes and have some nights where no extra dudes allowed period). Looks amazing and she recommends it. Can't wait.

Akibono
10-02-21, 08:23
I kinda like that I can treat my girls to experiences they might not get in their regular lives. And rarely but sometimes it's reciprocated. Like Valentina took me to the swingers club in Buenos Aires and wow was that fun. Doesn't suck to have the prettiest girl in the club either.

Well what do you know. There are swingers clubs in Florida and frankly they look pretty great. Kayla has been snd going to introduce me when we meet up. It looks super fun and classy (like they separate couples and single ladies from the single dudes and have some nights where no extra dudes allowed period). Looks amazing and she recommends it. Can't wait.My fondest memories are from my younger years at swingers clubs. The visuals vary, but the sex, if it can be found is mind blowing. Help her find that kink you have been missing.

CarloRogue
10-02-21, 16:08
I kinda like that I can treat my girls to experiences they might not get in their regular lives. And rarely but sometimes it's reciprocated. Like Valentina took me to the swingers club in Buenos Aires and wow was that fun. Doesn't suck to have the prettiest girl in the club either.

Well what do you know. There are swingers clubs in Florida and frankly they look pretty great. Kayla has been snd going to introduce me when we meet up. It looks super fun and classy (like they separate couples and single ladies from the single dudes and have some nights where no extra dudes allowed period). Looks amazing and she recommends it. Can't wait.I'm fairly experienced in the swing scene and Trapeze in Ft. Lauderdale is probably the best I've been to. Bear in mind, the social dynamic is pretty much the same everywhere. Couples are mostly older (like 40's), while the younger, better looking couples tend to be cliquish and stand-offish. That said, the magical charm is always the unicorn (pretty young girl), so if you bring that with you, you have your opening. But, you still must be sociable, dress well, and be attractive to the ladies of the other couples. Even then, you might just wind up playing with your own partner in the back rooms, which still can be fun, especially if you like voyeurism and exhibitionism, or just enjoy being surrounded by sexual energy (as I do). These events are not free-for-all, random-swapping orgies like you see in porn. Furthermore, the best events are private house or hotel parties, not the clubs in my opinion, but when you go to a club in a new town, ask around and find out who runs the best events and get into the inner circle. It's not that hard (again, if you have that unicorn).

Some events allow single men, and I avoid those like the plague. Trapeze allows them on Friday nights and I made the mistake of going earlier this year with a very sexy girl. I was fighting off packs of hyenas all night long, and eventually had to have one relentless stalker removed from the club. Saturday nights (at most clubs around the country) are usually reserved for couples and single women only, so that's when I'd choose to go.

CarloRogue
10-02-21, 16:30
It's really funny how upset some of you guys are getting.

I said the women on these sites are worse than prostitutes because prostitutes are at least honest about who they are and what's happening.

If guys want to fool themselves into believing that they're seducing incredible women and that they're really only giving "gifts" instead of a fee, that's their (unfortunate and sad) business. But the rest of us are free to laugh at the absurdity of it.

As I said earlier, stop paying and see how long any of these "relationships" last.Go ahead and laugh from the sidelines then, and keep posting your misogynist observations of no consequence here. Your theme has been said countless times on the other SB boards, and usually from a poster that complains about getting banned from SA. If you're convinced they're all prostitutes, then the ones on there will find you and vice versa (there are indeed some, no doubt). And then eventually, the moderators will find you both too. Furthermore, I'm glad there are people like you on the site (as long as you manage to last), as it makes it so much easier for me to stand out with the genuine girl-next-door. Heard many times: "You're the first guy I met because you didn't sound like a creep". Well that was pretty easy.

Shyzai
10-02-21, 18:36
Heard many times: "You're the first guy I met because you didn't sound like a creep". Well that was pretty easy.A lot of women use this line on guys, so please do not be fooled. Women have told me this a lot; do not underestimate how cunny these ladies can be.

DramaFree11
10-02-21, 19:42
Go ahead and laugh from the sidelines then, and keep posting your misogynist observations of no consequence here. Your theme has been said countless times on the other SB boards, and usually from a poster that complains about getting banned from SA. If you're convinced they're all prostitutes, then the ones on there will find you and vice versa (there are indeed some, no doubt). And then eventually, the moderators will find you both too. Furthermore, I'm glad there are people like you on the site (as long as you manage to last), as it makes it so much easier for me to stand out with the genuine girl-next-door. Heard many times: "You're the first guy I met because you didn't sound like a creep". Well that was pretty easy.Yep, it all boils down to jealousy. Trust me we all pay for girls one way or another. If I miss a day of work, it costs me at least $700-1000 and most of that is profit. My main crew are all-stars, but when I am not there things change. So if I am flying or driving all over the world it does cost money, even if I do not pay directly. Honestly the guys that make more money pay more, because they miss work. Guys, can call it whatever they want, but we all pay and married guys usually pay way more!

I agree there is a lot of b. S on SA especially in the States, but you can find some real great girls. Midw. Gave some great advice, "enjoy the search", but do not waste too much time on it. Devote 30-60 minutes a day. Nothing wrong with meeting someone for a drink or coffee, maybe something good will develop. Just never pre-pay and you will be fine.

DramaFree11
10-02-21, 19:47
Steve has posted lots of great advice on using SA in the USA. I have also posted a bunch of advice in this thread too. When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs, and most of them were great. I would say that it was worth it, BUT only because I also enjoyed the searching and the process. If the search for good SBs is a pain in the ass for you, then SA in the USA may not be ideal for you.Great, post! I agree the Search sometimes is the best part.

CarloRogue
10-02-21, 23:10
A lot of women use this line on guys, so please do not be fooled. Women have told me this a lot; do not underestimate how cunny these ladies can be.I don't care what women say (hence my rule #2: never believe what a sugar baby says). You've made a big mistake if you've put yourself in a position to trust a sugar baby. But this is not to say I hate women. I only care if they (1) show up, (2) look reasonably like their pics, (3) are fun on some level. They can tell me whatever stories they want, whatever helps them in the moment feel good about themselves, while I smile and nod along.

Steve 9696
10-03-21, 02:32
I'm fairly experienced in the swing scene and Trapeze in Ft. Lauderdale is probably the best I've been to. Bear in mind, the social dynamic is pretty much the same everywhere. Couples are mostly older (like 40's), while the younger, better looking couples tend to be cliquish and stand-offish. That said, the magical charm is always the unicorn (pretty young girl), so if you bring that with you, you have your opening. But, you still must be sociable, dress well, and be attractive to the ladies of the other couples. Even then, you might just wind up playing with your own partner in the back rooms, which still can be fun, especially if you like voyeurism and exhibitionism, or just enjoy being surrounded by sexual energy (as I do). These events are not free-for-all, random-swapping orgies like you see in porn. Furthermore, the best events are private house or hotel parties, not the clubs in my opinion, but when you go to a club in a new town, ask around and find out who runs the best events and get into the inner circle. It's not that hard (again, if you have that unicorn).

Some events allow single men, and I avoid those like the plague. Trapeze allows them on Friday nights and I made the mistake of going earlier this year with a very sexy girl. I was fighting off packs of hyenas all night long, and eventually had to have one relentless stalker removed from the club. Saturday nights (at most clubs around the country) are usually reserved for couples and single women only, so that's when I'd choose to go.Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find a senior ISG member who knows this scene but I am stunned this scene exists. We are def going on a no single guys night. But Kayla is legit finest overall body I've ever been with and a super pretty face. She warned me all the guys will be eye fucking her and I'm ok w that.

Our plan at this point is to stay one on one (this is what Valentina and I did). I don't think I'the be averse to a swap with a hot couple but we will see — esp since only half our couple is hot. LOL. Kayla is bi so no issue if she wants to make out a girl or eat pussy while I pound her. I'm truly excited and was already excited!

Midwestern
10-03-21, 05:34
Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find a senior ISG member who knows this scene but I am stunned this scene exists. We are def going on a no single guys night. But Kayla is legit finest overall body I've ever been with and a super pretty face. She warned me all the guys will be eye fucking her and I'm ok w that.

Our plan at this point is to stay one on one (this is what Valentina and I did). I don't think I'the be averse to a swap with a hot couple but we will see esp since only half our couple is hot. LOL. Kayla is bi so no issue if she wants to make out a girl or eat pussy while I pound her. I'm truly excited and was already excited!Swinging never occurred to me. Did not know that was still alive and well. I wonder how one gets into the scene. How did Kayla find out about it? Also, do you think it would be okay to get contacts while you are there? Will it be free to attend? Will some gals charge per hookup? I am intrigued. Cannot wait for your report about it.

Akibono
10-03-21, 07:00
Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find a senior ISG member who knows this scene but I am stunned this scene exists. We are def going on a no single guys night. But Kayla is legit finest overall body I've ever been with and a super pretty face. She warned me all the guys will be eye fucking her and I'm ok w that.

Our plan at this point is to stay one on one (this is what Valentina and I did). I don't think I'the be averse to a swap with a hot couple but we will see esp since only half our couple is hot. LOL. Kayla is bi so no issue if she wants to make out a girl or eat pussy while I pound her. I'm truly excited and was already excited!If you bring your own gal and she is hot, you will not have problems with other couples. They are there for the experience and money is never mentioned. Generally, the girls decide who to go with and what they will do. So, if you find a bi your girl will be in heaven. If the man likes your girl, he will encourage her to swap to get access to your girl. Having a hot girl is the key. It is ok for couples that like each other to exchange information for meetings outside the clubs for more privacy. In general, it is ok to talk with other couple, but no to annoy others. Years ago there was a nude beach in Miami where voyeurs and swingers hang out.

Akibono
10-03-21, 07:13
Swinging never occurred to me. Did not know that was still alive and well. I wonder how one gets into the scene. How did Kayla find out about it? Also, do you think it would be okay to get contacts while you are there? Will it be free to attend? Will some gals charge per hookup? I am intrigued. Cannot wait for your report about it.Just like the sugar scene, there are rules to learn. Think hedonism to excess. It is guys that like variety and strange. It is girls with more libido than their husbands or boyfriends can handle. It is couples indulging their fantasies. Unlike the EU, there are no hookers and very few single women. There is usually a cover charge for the host and to weed out the undesirable. Exchanging contact info is part of the purpose. The scene is for meeting like minded people into sex. Voyeurism an exhibitionism is more common than swapping. A gangbang is not unusual.

Steve 9696
10-03-21, 13:54
Swinging never occurred to me. Did not know that was still alive and well. I wonder how one gets into the scene. How did Kayla find out about it? Also, do you think it would be okay to get contacts while you are there? Will it be free to attend? Will some gals charge per hookup? I am intrigued. Cannot wait for your report about it.I don't know how she found the scene. I assumed her prior SD but could have been a hundred other ways for a 23 year old hottie. It's funny because it's completely above board because it doesn't touch any of the laws. It's a BYOB membership club (they used to do this in Texas to skirt drinking laws) and they don't serve alcohol but have bar tenders to mix what you bring.

They have couples prices and single lady and single guy prices. For example couples have a $60 a month membership and a per visit fee of $50-100 depending on day of week. It's all well constructed and professional. The "membership club" seems the key to the whole thing. Of course you can become a member day of visit.

Think going as a couple is a totally different thing. Apparently the singles section can be like a bunch of flies around a honey pot. Course the flies are jacking their dicks. LOL.

TheManager
10-03-21, 20:05
As I said earlier, stop paying and see how long any of these "relationships" last.I've transitioned 3 SBs into regular girlfriends. My longest is 18 months.

You are telling us something about yourself, and your (in) ability to keep women.

Blue Swede
10-05-21, 07:36
I had cancelled the automatic renewal of my Premium membership (mistake? A couple of day ago, the membership ended and I then tried to renew it via Google subcriptions, which seemed to went fine. BUT (my membership is still on Standard! I have tried to contact Seeking, but no replies! Anyone having any idea?

Lately, it is not possible to extend using credit card, I have used that method earlier without problems.

In connection with this, I have a problem to continue an ongoing conversation with a girl. Someone having Premium that can help me out?

TheManager
10-05-21, 18:48
I had cancelled the automatic renewal of my Premium membership (mistake? A couple of day ago, the membership ended and I then tried to renew it via Google subcriptions, which seemed to went fine. BUT (my membership is still on Standard! I have tried to contact Seeking, but no replies! Anyone having any idea?

Lately, it is not possible to extend using credit card, I have used that method earlier without problems.

In connection with this, I have a problem to continue an ongoing conversation with a girl. Someone having Premium that can help me out?Some Swedish banks and card issuers have SA blocked for purchases. Nordea should be fine but SEB has them blacklisted. I tried buying a subscription once with Eurobonus Mastercard which resulted in the card being temporarily blocked.

Globo
10-05-21, 22:10
I had cancelled the automatic renewal of my Premium membership (mistake? A couple of day ago, the membership ended and I then tried to renew it via Google subcriptions, which seemed to went fine. BUT (my membership is still on Standard! I have tried to contact Seeking, but no replies! Anyone having any idea?

Lately, it is not possible to extend using credit card, I have used that method earlier without problems.

In connection with this, I have a problem to continue an ongoing conversation with a girl. Someone having Premium that can help me out?Sent you a private message, hope I can help.

Steve 9696
10-06-21, 02:20
So I have my local girl Sue who is sweet and goofy and barebacked me on our most recent date. But she's fat and pokes me for money, so I am always on the prowl for something better. Usually leads no where, but out of the blue I hit a home run.

Struck up a conversation with a girl with a hot chest, unknown total bod, and a pretty plain Jane face. But she's fun to chat with and quick to meetup. Says she's a medical student. Of course I think this is BS but turns out to be totally true.

During chat she's pretty darn straightforward as to why we are here. Like asking if we are going to my place or a hotel. Hahaha. And then on the way to the date she says I should bring my own condoms case hers don't fit. LOL. Ok not much pretense here.

So she shows up a bit late but gentleman that I am I have a drink waiting and damn she's MUCH prettier than her pics. Beautiful smile and dressed quite slutty. Dinner is actually amazing. She is a great conversationalist and clearly well educated. Her father is a doctor and she's lived in London, the Caribbean and Hawaii. At 25 you would think this is BS but every word is true and the pics to prove it (after sex stay tuned!)

After dinner we walk to the convenience store and get some Palomas in cans and a Juul for her. And rock on to the room. Like this girls style. Because she sits in the bed and gives me the come hither look. I join on the bed and am about to kiss her when she hikes up her leather skirt and has no panties on and a beautiful pussy on display. So I dive in and start working that some. Then some kissing. I get my pants off and she is on her knees doggie style on the bed and starts a great BJ -me standing. Very nice. I work her pussy from behind some by hand. It's nice but not really wet yet.

Before long she turns around doggie style and is clearly offering bareback despite her prior condom comment! I say baby you want me to get a condom and she says up to you. Just don't come inside me. OK babe I am a man of my word!

She's really not that wet on her pussy lips so I say let me work you some more first babe and she rolls on her back. I do some pretty credible DATY and she says "I like fingers too!" So I work in one and then two and give her a pretty good finger fuck working clit with thumb. Ok we wet now!

Fucking in my fave position FOREVER including bend over kissing while pumping. So fine. Then a drinks break. Then I Lay on my back thinking she will finish by mouth but nope she mounts up RCG and rides like a demon. At one point I have to pull out so as to not cum. Then back inside for some more. And damn prob best RCG I've ever had. I don't want to really cum by hand so i let it build for a while then put her on BJ. I musta backed quite a ways from the edge because it takes a lotta BJ but she stays at it with some hand on balls and I shoot a mega load. She starts to take it all but I guess it's too much and she runs to the bathroom to spit saying she didn't expect so much.

Some nice but somewhat perfunctory cuddles and pics surfing after and a parting kiss. She's not a super affectionate cuddly girl but she's smart as fuck, hot, and loves to fuck bareback. Sounds like a keeper to me! We def gonna repeat.

P.S. Damn the guy advising against bareback has fucked three different girls bareback this month! WTF happened to that dude? LOL.

Midwestern
10-06-21, 05:18
Great report, man. Yeah, every once in a while, you can hit a homerun on SA.

And yeah, always being on the prowl is a good idea. I met this great gal a few months ago. She had a great body and she loved fucking me, and we could fuck for hours. I thought my lust for her was going to last for at least a year. But after about three months, I have lost interest in her. A decade ago, if I found a hottie, I could fuck her almost every day for about a year. But as I have gotten older, I now get bored faster. So, always got to keep looking, even if you have a great starting lineup and a deep bench.


So I have my local girl Sue who is sweet and goofy and barebacked me on our most recent date. But she's fat and pokes me for money, so I am always on the prowl for something better. Usually leads no where, but out of the blue I hit a home run.

Struck up a conversation with a girl with a hot chest, unknown total bod, and a pretty plain Jane face. But she's fun to chat with and quick to meetup. Says she's a medical student. Of course I think this is BS but turns out to be totally true.

During chat she's pretty darn straightforward as to why we are here. Like asking if we are going to my place or a hotel. Hahaha. And then on the way to the date she says I should bring my own condoms case hers don't fit. LOL. Ok not much pretense here.

So she shows up a bit late but gentleman that I am I have a drink waiting and damn she's MUCH prettier than her pics. Beautiful smile and dressed quite slutty. Dinner is actually amazing. She is a great conversationalist and clearly well educated. Her father is a doctor and she's lived in London, the Caribbean and Hawaii. At 25 you would think this is BS but every word is true and the pics to prove it (after sex stay tuned!)

After dinner we walk to the convenience store and get some Palomas in cans and a Juul for her. And rock on to the room. Like this girls style. Because she sits in the bed and gives me the come hither look. I join on the bed and am about to kiss her when she hikes up her leather skirt and has no panties on and a beautiful pussy on display. So I dive in and start working that some. Then some kissing. I get my pants off and she is on her knees doggie style on the bed and starts a great BJ -me standing. Very nice. I work her pussy from behind some by hand. It's nice but not really wet yet.

Before long she turns around doggie style and is clearly offering bareback despite her prior condom comment! I say baby you want me to get a condom and she says up to you. Just don't come inside me. OK babe I am a man of my word!

She's really not that wet on her pussy lips so I say let me work you some more first babe and she rolls on her back. I do some pretty credible DATY and she says "I like fingers too!" So I work in one and then two and give her a pretty good finger fuck working clit with thumb. Ok we wet now!

Fucking in my fave position FOREVER including bend over kissing while pumping. So fine. Then a drinks break. Then I Lay on my back thinking she will finish by mouth but nope she mounts up RCG and rides like a demon. At one point I have to pull out so as to not cum. Then back inside for some more. And damn prob best RCG I've ever had. I don't want to really cum by hand so i let it build for a while then put her on BJ. I musta backed quite a ways from the edge because it takes a lotta BJ but she stays at it with some hand on balls and I shoot a mega load. She starts to take it all but I guess it's too much and she runs to the bathroom to spit saying she didn't expect so much.

Some nice but somewhat perfunctory cuddles and pics surfing after and a parting kiss. She's not a super affectionate cuddly girl but she's smart as fuck, hot, and loves to fuck bareback. Sounds like a keeper to me! We def gonna repeat.

P.S. Damn the guy advising against bareback has fucked three different girls bareback this month! WTF happened to that dude? LOL.

Elvis 2008
10-06-21, 09:33
P.S. Damn the guy advising against bareback has fucked three different girls bareback this month! WTF happened to that dude? LOL.Steve, the plan b pills are available over the counter. You just have to ask to buy them from the pharmacist. You can get them cheaper on line. I would just give them to a girl when I was done barebacking and say "This is so you do not get pregnant," and they always took them.

Elvis 2008
10-06-21, 09:52
It's really funny how upset some of you guys are getting.

I said the women on these sites are worse than prostitutes because prostitutes are at least honest about who they are and what's happening.

If guys want to fool themselves into believing that they're seducing incredible women and that they're really only giving "gifts" instead of a fee, that's their (unfortunate and sad) business. But the rest of us are free to laugh at the absurdity of it.

As I said earlier, stop paying and see how long any of these "relationships" last.Sigh.

Do prostitutes fuck you bare?

Do prostitutes cook you meals?

Do prostitutes introduce you to their friends or family?

Do prostitutes do your laundry?

Do prostitutes pack your suitcase?

Do prostitutes cry when you leave?

Do prostitutes tell you they love you and mean it?

Do you sleep in your room with prostitutes and leave your wallet out open to the world?

Do prostitutes massage your neck the whole time on a 2 hour drive?

Do prostitutes do whatever you ask for in the bed room?

Do prostitutes whine if they do not get it 3 X a day?

Do prostitutes not ask for money after sex?

Do prostitutes ever just sleep with one guy?

Do prostitutes run across a crowded airport with a huge smile and jump into your arms when they first see you?

Everyone here has been with prostitutes. We know what they are. Sure, there are times we all have gone for a sugar baby and she turned out to be a prostitute. It happens. The women do not come with signs. They fool us or we fool ourselves.

But the reason I went the SB route (and I think others here went that way too) is that sex with prostitutes got old. I wanted someone to stay with me after sex and did not want to get paid X hundreds of dollars to do so. I wanted the pleasure of a woman' s company as much as I wanted her sexually.

What you do not get is the best SB sex blows away the best sex with prostitutes so laugh all you want. To me you just do not know what you are missing.

Blue Swede
10-06-21, 10:13
Sent you a private message, hope I can help.It helped a lot, I send you a big Thank you also here!

Blue Swede
10-06-21, 10:45
Some Swedish banks and card issuers have SA blocked for purchases. Nordea should be fine but SEB has them blacklisted. I tried buying a subscription once with Eurobonus Mastercard which resulted in the card being temporarily blocked.I tried using SkandiaBanken, Kivra, Volvo cards. None of them passed. I then used a Android phone and started a subscription via Google Play, which worked for a couple of month, until now. Money was transfered from my bank account, but the subscription wasn't updated. .

I have contacted Seeking twice via the contact form, but no answer so far (4-5 days).

I have also claimed for cancellation of the transaction to Google Play, as the product I bought was never delivered.

I don't know what to do else?

DramaFree11
10-07-21, 04:29
Sigh.

Do prostitutes fuck you bare?

Do prostitutes cook you meals?

Do prostitutes introduce you to their friends or family?

Do prostitutes do your laundry?

Do prostitutes pack your suitcase?

Do prostitutes cry when you leave?.Awesome report. You forgot a couple:

1. Text and call you unsolicited, asking for nothing. They just want to wish you a good day and see how your doing.

2. Drive you around in there car.

3. Buy you gifts.

SA is very average at best in the states, but as you know in Latin America and other parts of the world SA rocks.

Mexico / Russia Rocks. Ukraine / MDE suck.

MiamiBoy1
10-07-21, 16:01
Sigh.

Do prostitutes fuck you bare?

Do prostitutes cook you meals?

Do prostitutes introduce you to their friends or family?

Do prostitutes do your laundry?

Do prostitutes pack your suitcase?

Do prostitutes cry when you leave?

Do prostitutes tell you they love you and mean it?

Do you sleep in your room with prostitutes and leave your wallet out open to the world?

Do prostitutes massage your neck the whole time on a 2 hour drive?

Do prostitutes do whatever you ask for in the bed room?

Do prostitutes whine if they do not get it 3 X a day?

Do prostitutes not ask for money after sex?

Do prostitutes ever just sleep with one guy?

Do prostitutes run across a crowded airport with a huge smile and jump into your arms when they first see you?

Everyone here has been with prostitutes. We know what they are. Sure, there are times we all have gone for a sugar baby and she turned out to be a prostitute. It happens. The women do not come with signs. They fool us or we fool ourselves.

But the reason I went the SB route (and I think others here went that way too) is that sex with prostitutes got old. I wanted someone to stay with me after sex and did not want to get paid X hundreds of dollars to do so. I wanted the pleasure of a woman' s company as much as I wanted her sexually.

What you do not get is the best SB sex blows away the best sex with prostitutes so laugh all you want. To me you just do not know what you are missing.I have met / fucked probably north of 25 girls off SA, and not a single one cooked for me, did my laundry, packed my suitcase, cried when I left or did other stuff that only real girlfriends do. Very few fucked me bare though. Therefore I assume they were all prostitutes. Which makes me believe that the majority of SA women are prostitutes, not real SBs. But I still would prefer SA prostitute over a regular working girl (street, casa, etc) because they provide way better service.

DramaFree11
10-07-21, 19:31
I have met / fucked probably north of 25 girls off SA, and not a single one cooked for me, did my laundry, packed my suitcase, cried when I left or did other stuff that only real girlfriends do. Very few fucked me bare though. Therefore I assume they were all prostitutes. Which makes me believe that the majority of SA women are prostitutes, not real SBs. But I still would prefer SA prostitute over a regular working girl (street, casa, etc) because they provide way better service.That is the point. Maybe you are doing something wrong. Obviously you have a good budget and freedom to travel. I have had many of the same experiences Elvis has. He is on lockdown with one girl and is traveling with her, I am seeing multiple girls. Some of the girls would do anything for me and I would do the same. Call it whatever you want, but the pros far outweigh the negative experiences.

I Did have a negative experience, today. Against my better judgement I was going to fly a girl into MTY. Purchased the ticket and she went dark. We were suppose to discuss the trip last night, I heard nothing. I sent her a message this morning, again heard nothing. Finally I blocked her and canceled my credit card, I might lose s few bucks and some time, but it was time to cut my losses. She finally texted me late this morning, I deleted the text and blocked her. Something was definitely up.

The 2 biggest mistakes I have made with girls in other cities that wanted to fly in and could speak English. Lost money and time on the first one. Hopefully just time on the second one.

Elvis 2008
10-07-21, 21:46
Awesome report. You forgot a couple:

1. Text and call you unsolicited, asking for nothing. They just want to wish you a good day and see how your doing.

2. Drive you around in there car.

3. Buy you gifts.

SA is very average at best in the states, but as you know in Latin America and other parts of the world SA rocks.

Mexico / Russia Rocks. Ukraine / MDE suck.Yeah, nice add DF. You know #2 cracks me up because the one time I remember that happening is in Brazil with a girl I picked up at a boate, I think it was Bamboa or Cafe Foto. Anyway, she drove me in a small VW I think a Golf, back to my hotel.

She stayed the night, and it was very nice, very GF / SB like.

I kind of noticed that with Brazilian women. An American guy in Brazil told me that relationships move 8 X faster in Brazil than the USA.

Steve, I know you had a SB like romp with a girl from Scandallo. A lot of the working girls can morph into SB types pretty quickly right? I had that happen with a friend of mine too. One night with a boate girl and he was almost in love and vice versa.

Steve 9696
10-08-21, 01:14
Yeah, nice add DF. You know #2 cracks me up because the one time I remember that happening is in Brazil with a girl I picked up at a boate, I think it was Bamboa or Cafe Foto. Anyway, she drove me in a small VW I think a Golf, back to my hotel.

She stayed the night, and it was very nice, very GF / SB like.

I kind of noticed that with Brazilian women. An American guy in Brazil told me that relationships move 8 X faster in Brazil than the USA.

Steve, I know you had a SB like romp with a girl from Scandallo. A lot of the working girls can morph into SB types pretty quickly right? I had that happen with a friend of mine too. One night with a boate girl and he was almost in love and vice versa.Yeah so I haven't had quite the "love" that Elvis gets and DramaFree but I think that's cultural. Almost all my SB is US based and they are just not like Brasileiras. Don't get me wrong I have almost always found my US girls to be sweet, real girls, not hardened pros (maybe only 1 or 2 out of 25 were serious pros) but not the same as a Brasileira.

As I say Brasileiras can live in the moment better than any girls on earth. And they seem to love all the extra time together way more than "regular" girls. My first Scandallo girl we did 2 hrs in the club before the room. And she sooo wanted me to go to the beach w her friend and her in the morning. And yes Elvis, Thifany was amazing. Not a hardened pro. Just a girl who does Scandalo when she needs cash sometimes. We had known each other five hours (including fucking her one on one and then in a dupla with her friend) when she agreed to spend the week in London with me. Who the fuck just flies off to London with some guy they barely know! A Brasileira- Thats who! And it was the first stamp in her passport! And had her 23rd birthday with me at Chichettis in London. Only a Brasileira!

Midwestern
10-08-21, 05:57
Elvis had made a great checklist questions about SBs, to which DramaFree made some excellent additions. For fun, I decided to answer them from my own experiences with SBs from using SA in the USA.

Text and call you unsolicited, asking for nothing. They just want to wish you a good day and see how your doing. - Yep, this happened with almost all of my SBs.

Drive you around in there car. - Yep. In fact, when I lived in SF, I did not have a car, and so most of my SBs did all of the driving.

Buy you gifts. - Yep, and they were amazingly quite thoughtful gifts, but obviously nothing expensive since they could not afford it.

Fuck me bare. - Yep, almost always.

Cook me meals. Yep, but only a few. Most wanted me to wine and dine them, which was one of the reasons they were on SA.

Introduce me to their friends or family. - Yep, but I did not like it, LOL. Also, the question of how we met will always come up.

Did my laundry. - Nope.

Pack my suitcase. - Yep.

Cry when I left. - Nope. But most were genuinely sad when I left.

Tell me they love me and mean it. - Yep, but this was always scary.

Slept in my room with wallet out open to the world. - Kind of. I kept money out in the open, but I always tried to hide my wallet.

Massage my neck the whole time on a 2 hour drive. - Nope, but that's because I rarely drove, LOL.

Do whatever I ask for in the bed room. - Yep, but most pros do that too, especially if they think repeat business or a review is possible.

Whine if they do not get it 3 X a day. - Yep, but this did not happen often.

Not ask for money after sex. - Yep, most of my SBs never asked for money, but it was always assumed that I would take care of them, and I did, which is why they never asked.

Sleep with one guy. - Yep, some of my SBs were exclusive with me. I am pretty sure of it. But I am also sure that some slept with other guys, even though they said they did not.

Run across a crowded airport with a huge smile and jump into my arms when they first see me. - Yep.

Akibono
10-10-21, 06:39
Took my SB to a nice restaurant the staff kept saying my full name. We have your reservation Mr. Xxx. Thank you for coming Mr. XXX. They think we expect that as respect. But I would rather be anon.

Unless you create a whole other identity, it is very hard to stay anon. The first thing you do is pay in cash and don't expect change. Make reservations under plausible aliases.

KaveMan
10-10-21, 15:39
I was referred here thanks to Steve9696 from Swiss Globe Thread.

So, I have a fairly technical question about fuck yield on SA v. $ dollars invested. I was under the impression that SA was a glorified prostitution site where you have to cough up $500 to fuck muffin top college-drop-outs. From reading the posts it sounds like its turned into a mainstream dating site for gold-diggers.

As background, from 2010-2014 I ran a sex-search campaign on a major dating site (see 20014 intro post) before age filters, AI, blocking, etc. I had outbound 18,000+ messages / yr. With 15 cut / paste messages 3 x / day. I was booked Thur-Sun. With 45 min. Cocktail dates ($25); 200+ dates / yr. And fucked 24 on first date back to my apartment 1 block away. Now granted I am white-collar, fit and had a panty dropper apartment in SoHo and Hollywood Hills loft; these girls were happy to fuck with $1 margaritas and a $3. 99 Trader-Giotto pizza. I got 18-25 8-10's, models, dancers, Hollywood actresses, porn stars, etc. Then boom the numbers dropped from 24-12-6-1 from 2015-2021 as Tinder, IG, filters, blocking, AI took hold.

Today this is impossible as every dating site has filters, AI, and throttles messages / day to <5 even though sent shows 50. I know I was flagged in top. 01% of users as last cancellation refund had email CC'd: of my last 10 fake-emails over a decade; even with changes in names, cards, paypal, IP, address, etc. My rocker neighbor in Hollywood swore by SA with Premium; but I had birds eye view between our glass lofts and they were all minority 6-7's tops and he was dropping $10,000's.

I am happy to join SA, if I can run a numbers game and whittle it down to nympho 9-10's who want to be fucked hard AND are flexible on benefits. If its all filters and throttling and am stuck talking to muffin tops at Starbucks then I will pass.

Are you guys actually finding 9-10's OR just young pussy that's marginally better than generic prostitutes?

Reason I switched to Swiss Globe, was I happy to pay $150 for18-25 9-11's in Zurich and spend rest of my time on business and investments.

DramaFree11
10-10-21, 18:15
Took my SB to a nice restaurant the staff kept saying my full name. We have your reservation Mr. Xxx. Thank you for coming Mr. XXX. They think we expect that as respect. But I would rather be anon.

Unless you create a whole other identity, it is very hard to stay anon. The first thing you do is pay in cash and don't expect change. Make reservations under plausible aliases.Yep, if you are concerned about your identity I would not be on SA.

TheManager
10-10-21, 19:20
Are you guys actually finding 9-10's OR just young pussy that's marginally better than generic prostitutes?Check out this post I wrote on this very topic recently: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2607734#post2607734.

Steve 9696
10-10-21, 23:12
Took my SB to a nice restaurant the staff kept saying my full name. We have your reservation Mr. Xxx. Thank you for coming Mr. XXX. They think we expect that as respect. But I would rather be anon.

Unless you create a whole other identity, it is very hard to stay anon. The first thing you do is pay in cash and don't expect change. Make reservations under plausible aliases.Yeah if you are going to work the US (and really always a good idea) you need a consistent alias — both first and last name. And burner phone. Like your gmail has a first and last name (not vetted) and when you make dinner reservations they want first and last. I use my alias for both of these. You can't avoid certain things like your credit card has your name on it. And the hotel rez has to be in your name. But the more done with an alias the better. Just like you saw at the restaurant.

I always smile a bit when they greet me with my alias.

P.S. As Midwestern says there is no zero risk solution. I just try to keep it manageable.

BrizLad
10-11-21, 00:13
I always smile a bit when they greet me with my alias.
I have had many alias as I prefer to change each year or so. But I have one gal that has been a consistent mistress for 4 years now. She is still using my original alias. Just recently we were in a cafe, I was sitting looking out and she was at the counter ordering. She was calling my original alias name. And of course I'm not responding at all.

When I have travelled domestic and international airlines with my SBs I have given up on alias. Passports and immigration make it too complicated.

Cheers.

Steve 9696
10-11-21, 01:50
I was referred here thanks to Steve9696 from Swiss Globe Thread.

So, I have a fairly technical question about fuck yield on SA v. $ dollars invested. I was under the impression that SA was a glorified prostitution site where you have to cough up $500 to fuck muffin top college-drop-outs. From reading the posts it sounds like its turned into a mainstream dating site for gold-diggers.

As background, from 2010-2014 I ran a sex-search campaign on a major dating site (see 20014 intro post) before age filters, AI, blocking, etc. I had outbound 18,000+ messages / yr. With 15 cut / paste messages 3 x / day. I was booked Thur-Sun. With 45 min. Cocktail dates ($25); 200+ dates / yr. And fucked 24 on first date back to my apartment 1 block away. Now granted I am white-collar, fit and had a panty dropper apartment in SoHo and Hollywood Hills loft; these girls were happy to fuck with $1 margaritas and a $3. 99 Trader-Giotto pizza. I got 18-25 8-10's, models, dancers, Hollywood actresses, porn stars, etc. Then boom the numbers dropped from 24-12-6-1 from 2015-2021 as Tinder, IG, filters, blocking, AI took hold.

Today this is impossible as every dating site has filters, AI, and throttles messages / day to <5 even though sent shows 50. I know I was flagged in top. 01% of users as last cancellation refund had email CC'd: of my last 10 fake-emails over a decade; even with changes in names, cards, paypal, IP, address, etc. My rocker neighbor in Hollywood swore by SA with Premium; but I had birds eye view between our glass lofts and they were all minority 6-7's tops and he was dropping $10,000's.

I am happy to join SA, if I can run a numbers game and whittle it down to nympho 9-10's who want to be fucked hard AND are flexible on benefits. If its all filters and throttling and am stuck talking to muffin tops at Starbucks then I will pass.

Are you guys actually finding 9-10's OR just young pussy that's marginally better than generic prostitutes?

Reason I switched to Swiss Globe, was I happy to pay $150 for18-25 9-11's in Zurich and spend rest of my time on business and investments.Lots to unpack here. Let's start with the 9-10's discussion. To be fair Globe has a higher visual standard than most clubs or escorts worldwide. But there are no tens there iMO and very few nines. I'the say a goodly number of 7 and 8's. For reference three girls I've done at globe are Simina 9, Kate 8, and Tina 7. And outside of globe you AR not going to be seeing 9's. I had one at Aphrodisia. Never seen one at Sharks or other German FKK. Seen a few at Scandalo in SP. And a couple at Tokyo Hentai club and Diva escorts UK.

Point is it's a tough find. You are not going to find any 9's doing escorting in US for $500/ HR. You can find a nine on SA. I'the say Alexa and Kayla are both 9's and both have been happy to have dinner, bareback, and stay overnight for that kinda PPM. And quite a slew of 8's.

My summary would be if you put in the time and have good game and not objectionable looking you can have 7-9's on a regular basis. I am not sure however you can do this programmatically. Prob have to do the work.

Ps if U are looking for basic suck and fuck then SA is way too much work. A lotta guys - me included - do SA cuz they want the mini relationship with dinner and sleepovers day at the beach whatever. A real (paid) girlfriend.

DramaFree11
10-11-21, 01:58
As you guys know I am not a big fan of the Colombian Chicas. I met one by mistake, but we are meeting on a regular basis now. Total freak in bed, very nice and hard working. Not bad looking at all.

The girl finally contacted me that was going to fly in and meet me in MTY. Total disaster, looks like I will lose the money for the flight. She was not scamming me, but had second thoughts, bit waste of time. She is too Americanized. Live and learn.

Great trip, I Have 5 meeting is 24 hours. No anal, but everything else. Love the MTY.

DramaFree11
10-11-21, 02:08
Arrive a 4 pm, I left work early. I meet a new girl. She is high as kite. Go up to the room and have sex immediately. When she sobered up she was real nice and pretty hot.

2nd meeting ends up having to work late, I was a little upset up about this, but it happen.

I meet one of my regulars at S. Prime. She looks amazing. Drinks and food was great, so much fun, but it gets much better. We get back to the room and we had sex most of the night. In the middle of the night she gets on top of me and off goes the the condom, awesome.

To all the haters, you can not put a price tag on this. She thanked me and said they had a great night. I gave her $200 and at the restaurant, I spent $150.

Moscow / Mexico Rock. Kiev / MDE suck! Censorship on a sex page, because someone does not like you opinion is even worse.

Akibono
10-11-21, 03:35
Lots to unpack here. Let's start with the 9-10's discussion. To be fair Globe has a higher visual standard than most clubs or escorts worldwide. But there are no tens there iMO and very few nines. I'the say a goodly number of 7 and 8's. For reference three girls I've done at globe are Simina 9, Kate 8, and Tina 7. And outside of globe you AR not going to be seeing 9's. I had one at Aphrodisia. Never seen one at Sharks or other German FKK. Seen a few at Scandalo in SP. And a couple at Tokyo Hentai club and Diva escorts UK.

Point is it's a tough find. You are not going to find any 9's doing escorting in US for $500/ HR. You can find a nine on SA. I'the say Alexa and Kayla are both 9's and both have been happy to have dinner, bareback, and stay overnight for that kinda PPM. And quite a slew of 8's.

My summary would be if you put in the time and have good game and not objectionable looking you can have 7-9's on a regular basis. I am not sure however you can do this programmatically. Prob have to do the work.

Ps if U are looking for basic suck and fuck then SA is way too much work. A lotta guys - me included - do SA cuz they want the mini relationship with dinner and sleepovers day at the beach whatever. A real (paid) girlfriend.I would also add that with SBs, you cannot count on them showing up consistently, especially on the first meeting. Flakes are common. I have found quite a few girls trolling for numbers. They use fake pictures and change accounts often. You get text messages out of the blue and the pic they send do not match anything you have seen on the site. I think that keeps them from getting blocked and banned. I also see a few that keep changing their location. Real SB would not move all over the country.

MiamiBoy1
10-11-21, 04:48
Moscow / Mexico Rock. Kiev / MDE suck! Censorship on a sex page, because someone does not like you opinion is even worse.Do you use SA in Moscow and Kiev? In my opinion, Moscow sucks, St. Pete beats Moscow, and any 2nd tier city in Russia beats both. I haven't mongered in Ukraine, but heard the talent is even better, so is the price point.

Would love to read your Moscow or Kiev reports. When in Russia, I use Tinder exclusively, but I'm fluent in Russian, so have an advantage.

Akibono
10-11-21, 05:09
Arrive a 4 pm, I left work early. I meet a new girl. She is high as kite. Go up to the room and have sex immediately. When she sobered up she was real nice and pretty hot.

2nd meeting ends up having to work late, I was a little upset up about this, but it happen.

I meet one of my regulars at S. Prime. She looks amazing. Drinks and food was great, so much fun, but it gets much better. We get back to the room and we had sex most of the night. In the middle of the night she gets on top of me and off goes the the condom, awesome.

To all the haters, you can not put a price tag on this. She thanked me and said they had a great night. I gave her $200 and at the restaurant, I spent $150.

Moscow / Mexico Rock. Kiev / MDE suck! Censorship on a sex page, because someone does not like you opinion is even worse.If this was in the states, no way I would have sex with a high girl. Too easy to be accused of supplying the drugs or rape. The only exception is cannabis. Just my opinion. Just not worth the risk. Not going to jail or be bankrupt by an aggressive the.

DramaFree11
10-11-21, 14:28
Do you use SA in Moscow and Kiev? In my opinion, Moscow sucks, St. Pete beats Moscow, and any 2nd tier city in Russia beats both. I haven't mongered in Ukraine, but heard the talent is even better, so is the price point.

Would love to read your Mosco

or Kiev reports. When in Russia, I use Tinder exclusively, but I'm fluent in Russian, so have an advantage.Sorry, I think we have completely different tastes. Kiev really sucks and is over rated. St. Pet. Was OK, Moscow was incredible.

Obviously you are doing something wrong. You need to reevaluate what you are doing and find a place that makes you happy. Good luck, you can read my reports.

Steve 9696
10-11-21, 14:35
Recent poster mentioned minorities and college students on SA so I did a little inventory on my own experience. Let me say first that I literally cannot stand pasty white girls and generally steer clear of white girls in general (unless they tend towards that raven haired beauty side of things like some Romanian girls). So mine is a biased take. This is SA only, about 80% US, and doesn't include my life with the pros. I have had some amazing mixes like Black Phillipina Italian (wow!) Black Ukrainian, Korean Viet Mexican, and more. I put girls like that in the "closest" bin.

Blackish 8.

Latina 11.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

Of late my last four great SBs (3 active) have been black. Not sure what's up with that or just a coincidence. And here are the occupations: College student, Waitress, Stripper, Cust Service, Yoga Instructor, Office Manager, Receptionist, Care Giver, Maid. The college student persona is relatively rare. Only 3 of 28. And as previously mentioned 22-24 is the magic age for me. Almost all my success is in this age range. And if they have a subtle nose ring/stud that is almost always a tell and we are gonna be a match. LOL.

HBU?

KaveMan
10-11-21, 16:09
As you noted that's an American phenomena. It's rather odd actually as I've found it to be the opposite just about everywhere else in the world.
As you noted that's an American phenomena. It's rather odd actually as I've found it to be the opposite just about everywhere else in the world.First off thanks Steve et al for the very informative primer on SA, field reports, analysis and data.

I do believe some data points could be mis-interpreted:

1.) Cost: SB being 2-3 x more expensive (less expensive) v. Escorts (or vice-versa) is totally subjective. Total sunk costs (dinner, drinks, prospecting $/#HR opportunity cost, etc.) are totally different v, tapping a button and opening a door.

2.) Demographics: yours skew (unsurprisingly) toward the response rates of Women's race on dating site. Black women receive the least contacts and respond the most; Latina, Asian, ME same and White women receive the most responses and respond to least. White women are only 13% of your inventory. OKC compiled actuarial data that supports above and I have seen it across every dating site over a decade.

3.) Ratings & Race: Comparing 7-9 minority female to 7-9 White is apples and oranges & massively subjective. Not knocking personal preferences or racist. Just what I see in society and behavior of high status Black men who upgrade to White GFs / wives as soon as they have $ (athletes, actors, musicians, etc). The number of White women on SA seemed very low the one time I did the free membership.

4.) Sleepover: I would venture to say a "sleepover" is not valued by majority of Men be / see marriage, logistics, privacy, safety, security. In the immortal testimony of Charlie Sheen to a Beverly Hills Judge: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave."

5.) Value: the "SB for $4-500 for 4-5 hours" balloon into a huge number once its fully loaded (250 dinner / drinks, etc). I'm assuming the 20+ successful SB entailed 2. 5 visits (1-10 visit range). Back of the envelope: $750 * 2.5 * 20 = $37,500 and a 5% loss at $2,500 (5-visit loss-rate: no show, no chemistry, no sex, still pay, scammed or lose hotel / dinner / logistics / CC refund denial $).

6.) $40 K seems like a big nut for 7's minority chicks and random 9 white chick. You could get Twenty (20) $2,000 9-10 escorts (with Titles (beauty Pageant), Fame (porn star, be-model, be-actress), Pristine near virgin 18 yo or 11 level Minority escort for that price.

7.) Sense of Occasion / Special event Magic: I totally get the value of GFE and the 4-5 hrs that goes with SB. Having said that paying 45 minutes for a $750-2000 escort is NOT a 44 minute event. I have hired them in Beverly Hills, SoHo and London; each stretches into a full event. There is the prep & anticipation of them coming over; there is savoring 5 star room service or grilling a steak on your patio or top-shelf drink / cigar knowing in 1 HR you will fuck a 10; there is the entry and being blown away by her hair, dress, perfume; there is her using the bathroom or shower to prep; there is the official clock start; and then the full 45 minutes of banging the living shit out of her -- Not nice careful fuck, this is a civilian college girl, I don't want to be arrested or sued. There is the "after-fuck" where she says "OK if have a smoke" or "Wow can we walk around the pool" or "can I shower again before my next appointment; join me" even the rare "I need another drink; do you have any food". I have never had one at 46 minute reach for a wet-wipe and leave in 30 seconds. Then there is the post-fuck glow of your life; taking a hygienic shower, having another drink and surveying the grandeur of your conquest. All-in this would easily eat up 3 hours and sometimes more and would be plenty for me. I will never forget fucking a 10 escort over the railing of a Beverly Hills house I rented with pool lit up and she coming while the sprinklers came on and shot water up palm fronds! Priceless.

Not knocking SA. It obviously works for you, you have a very successful system, and its fits your lifestyle perfectly during a global pussy drought.

Nevertheless, being fully transparent I think SA skews towards minority, and market has cleared a price $400 equivalent to its value v. Escorts.

Cheers.

DramaFree11
10-11-21, 17:41
If this was in the states, no way I would have sex with a high girl. Too easy to be accused of supplying the drugs or rape. The only exception is cannabis. Just my opinion. Just not worth the risk. Not going to jail or be bankrupt by an aggressive the.Great advice! I have walked on a date in the state, when she was High. That was one crazy night. I paid my bill and took off running and yes, I was worried about the consequences. I would never do have the things I do in Mexico or Moscow in the states. Girls are flat out crazy in the states and mix in drugs it is accident waiting to happen. Thanks again!

DramaFree11
10-11-21, 17:52
First off thanks Steve et al for the very informative primer on SA, field reports, analysis and data.

I do believe some data points could be mis-interpreted:

1.) Cost: SB being 2-3 x more expensive (less expensive) v. Escorts (or vice-versa) is totally subjective. Total sunk costs (dinner, drinks, prospecting $/#HR opportunity cost, etc.) are totally different v, tapping a button and opening a door.

2.) Demographics: yours skew (unsurprisingly) toward the response rates of Women's race on dating site. Black women receive the least contacts and respond the most; Latina, Asian, ME same and White women receive the most responses and respond to least. White women are only 13% of your inventory. OKC compiled actuarial data that supports above and I have seen it across every dating site over a decade.

3.) Ratings & Race: Comparing 7-9 minority female to 7-9 White is apples and oranges & massively subjective. Not knocking personal preferences or racist. Just what I see in society and behavior of high status Black men who upgrade to White GFs / wives as soon as they have $ (athletes, actors, musicians, etc). The number of White women on SA seemed very low the one time I did the free membership.

4.) Sleepover: I would venture to say a "sleepover" is not valued by majority of Men be / see marriage, logistics, privacy, safety, security. In the immortal testimony of Charlie Sheen to a Beverly Hills Judge: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave."

5.) Value: the "SB for $4-500 for 4-5 hours" balloon into a huge number once its fully loaded (250 dinner / drinks, etc). I'm assuming the 20+ successful SB entailed 2. 5 visits (1-10 visit range). Back of the envelope: $750 * 2.5 * 20 = $37,500 and a 5% loss at $2,500 (5-visit loss-rate: no show, no chemistry, no sex, still pay, scammed or lose hotel / dinner / logistics / CC refund denial $).Sorry, you can not put a value on a great evening with a hot chick! Now when it get's be crazy money then obviously no!

There was a guy bragging about spending a lot of money on one girl in Kiev, double-triple market value, now that is crazy.

AmorPorFavor
10-11-21, 23:55
Has anybody used SA in Vegas? I'm going next week and got a couple of babies who want to meet just by looking at their profiles, then they messaged me. They don't look to be obvious pros.

Steve 9696
10-12-21, 00:33
Has anybody used SA in Vegas? I'm going next week and got a couple of babies who want to meet just by looking at their profiles, then they messaged me. They don't look to be obvious pros.Yes I've had three babies in Vegas. Two great ones and the famous Jesse who said "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" and after some amazing charm we were having sex twenty minutes later. But yeah it's not all pros. All three were great girls. I repeated with both Alexa and Krystal and flew Alexa to Miami. So some real diamonds.

That said most who message you are not the ones you are after. Of course u can engage in small talk and it should separate them out quickly. A pro is not gonna chat for long nor tolerate a long time before U visit.

Happy to render an opinion if you want to message me their screen names.

CarloRogue
10-13-21, 01:59
Hello gentlemen,

Quick poll of the group to see who has recommendations for travel destinations over new year's eve this year. I'm looking for someplace warm, relatively immune to pandemic lockdowns, cultural (if possible), and with good food (and of course, I have a bit of a sweet tooth to go with it all). Would love to hear the collective wisdom of my kindred spirits and fellow travelers.

TheManager
10-13-21, 22:46
First off thanks Steve et al for the very informative primer on SA, field reports, analysis and data.Your post is a bit odd. You quote me twice, then address Steve and start talking about race / black women. I suspect you've quoted the wrong posts.

I know the OKC data you are referring to. I used to have a very sweet time on the site when I lived in NYC post-Lehman. I also know that particular data is over a decade old, and not representative of Europe where I now reside.

Overall I believe your overly data based approach is not doing you any favors in actually getting your dick wet. I know because I used to try to explain everything with numbers myself. Now I know that was a young version of me trying to use a system I could control (math / science) to gain access to one I at the time couldn't control (hot women).

Midwestern
10-14-21, 04:03
About a year ago, I decided to completely shave my cock. Now it is totally hairless. I have noticed that I am getting longer BJs and more women are willing to bareback me. Do you guys think there is a causal effect, or this is just a spurious correlation?

Akibono
10-14-21, 04:19
About a year ago, I decided to completely shave my cock. Now it is totally hairless. I have noticed that I am getting longer BJs and more women are willing to bareback me. Do you guys think there is a causal effect, or this is just a spurious correlation?I consider shaving or at least trimming to be good hygiene. Many girls complain about hair and body odor. I always use some high end fragrances or at least some body spray. You definitely get better service. It shows you care and are classy.

LgOver
10-14-21, 09:30
I have dealt with SA pre COVID and looked normal with good experiences but my recent experiences in California and Florida suggests the ads are going through some filter and is not 1-1 independent.

Sort of through escort agency kind or filtered by SA itself. SA merged with a dating agency early this year.

Is it rigged?

They are also pushing this premium, diamond and other memberships.

Is the site be fished by pro-agencies to catch the big good fish or through some big brother or most ads are spams.

They need to institute more rules for female ads to make sure they are genuine.

They have HQ. In Las Vegas, Ukraine and Singapore so that they can't be busted easily. In liberal places.

Something is fishy.

Should SA be more accountable to the sucker daddies?

Steve 9696
10-14-21, 18:52
About a year ago, I decided to completely shave my cock. Now it is totally hairless. I have noticed that I am getting longer BJs and more women are willing to bareback me. Do you guys think there is a causal effect, or this is just a spurious correlation?Yeah I asked Sue to lick and suck my balls early on — she's fairly new to this — and she said "if you shave your balls". I've never taken the big plunge but did electric razor them fairly close and she has been sucking them sooooo. Maybe.

Question is how do you do it? My electric nicks them if I go right to skin. Been afraid of the blade. Thought about Nair but never took the plunge. What do you guys do to go clean shaven?

Oneminuteboy
10-14-21, 19:58
Yeah I asked Sue to lick and suck my balls early on she's fairly new to this and she said "if you shave your balls". I've never taken the big plunge but did electric razor them fairly close and she has been sucking them sooooo. Maybe.

Question is how do you do it? My electric nicks them if I go right to skin. Been afraid of the blade. Thought about Nair but never took the plunge. What do you guys do to go clean shaven?I use Gillette Venus. If there is a Bush I trim it down before using it.

Usually do this at least a day before I'm expecting to have sex.

Steve 9696
10-14-21, 22:16
Haha why does this always happen! So I wrote about my recent homerun Uma who was an unexpected addition to the local line up. I still really like Sue despite her size because she kisses like a demon and adores me. But Uma is def hotter. And they both want to see me. So who am i to say no!

So even as I am stressing over my two girls and seeing them virtually back who shows up but Teri. We went out close to a year ago and really vibed good but couldnt close the deal that night for some complex reasons. Then ex drama and never able to meet. Then ghosting. Been pinging her since May once a month or so and nothing. Gave up. And here she is today out of the blue!

Keep those Rolodex fingers always hot and ready fellas!

Blue Swede
10-14-21, 23:00
I tried using SkandiaBanken, Kivra, Volvo cards. None of them passed. I then used a Android phone and started a subscription via Google Play, which worked for a couple of month, until now. Money was transfered from my bank account, but the subscription wasn't updated. .

I have contacted Seeking twice via the contact form, but no answer so far (4-5 days).
I have also claimed for cancellation of the transaction to Google Play, as the product I bought was never delivered.
I don't know what to do else?Today Seeking finally answered my email and fixed my account + gave me a complimentary Boozt, whatever that is? Someone that knows?

Akibono
10-15-21, 05:45
Haha why does this always happen! So I wrote about my recent homerun Uma who was an unexpected addition to the local line up. I still really like Sue despite her size because she kisses like a demon and adores me. But Uma is def hotter. And they both want to see me. So who am i to say no!

So even as I am stressing over my two girls and seeing them virtually back who shows up but Teri. We went out close to a year ago and really vibed good but couldnt close the deal that night for some complex reasons. Then ex drama and never able to meet. Then ghosting. Been pinging her since May once a month or so and nothing. Gave up. And here she is today out of the blue!

Keep those Rolodex fingers always hot and ready fellas!Girls always come back when they need money. Then the become arrogant when they are flush.

Akibono
10-15-21, 05:47
Yeah I asked Sue to lick and suck my balls early on she's fairly new to this and she said "if you shave your balls". I've never taken the big plunge but did electric razor them fairly close and she has been sucking them sooooo. Maybe.

Question is how do you do it? My electric nicks them if I go right to skin. Been afraid of the blade. Thought about Nair but never took the plunge. What do you guys do to go clean shaven?Never tried, but heard it mentioned multiple times.

TheManager
10-15-21, 21:15
Today Seeking finally answered my email and fixed my account + gave me a complimentary Boozt, whatever that is? Someone that knows?It's a visibility push. You'll be at the top of search results for a short while, which is pretty meaningless but good that you can finally access the site through premium.

Elvis 2008
10-16-21, 02:46
About a year ago, I decided to completely shave my cock. Now it is totally hairless. I have noticed that I am getting longer BJs and more women are willing to bareback me. Do you guys think there is a causal effect, or this is just a spurious correlation?LOL. Not at all. The attached pics are of an American hottie who for some reason other American women trashed. One called her tits horse apples and another swore she was hiding her gut.

I thought she was gorgeous, and she had an aloof manner about her. It seemed to me that she was able to handle some of the wealthiest but socially awkward men on SA. She finally confessed to me she was a school teacher and did let me drive her BMM Convertible, come to think of it.

However, one time, she did this most amazing thing. She was given me head and got disgusted. "You have too much damned hair" she said, and she shaved me from top to bottom. It took like 30 minutes.

Of course, that would be another SB question. Have you ever had a ho manscape you from head to toe? But I think I may be the only one to say yes to this one. LOL.

So yes, MW, you will get better service if you are smooth. I guarantee it.

The school teacher acted a little immature so I had to give her the boot. I wonder in hindsight if I did it too quickly though.

Steve 9696
10-18-21, 17:39
Well haha just like it rains it pours it can go to a draught just as fast! So after having three hotties in line, Teri went quiet and Sue and I got into a pissing contest. We had things all arranged and then she bagged on the day part of our date without communicating and then having an elaborate lame excuse. I kinda got petty and said was our date on tonight or should I find another date and that def hurt her feelings. It was uncalled for and I felt bad. Anyhow we made up but our date was cancelled.

Fortunately Uma comes thru last minute with a "how's your day" which I pounce on and say I want to see you tonight. She reminds that she is on the rag but has "supple lips" and I say I am down. Well this turns out to be a barrel of fun.

We have an epic dinner at a South American restaurant I manage to find and she is stunned because it's not far from her. Amazing food and a couple drinks. We are comfy together so we start to talk about how to find a motel. Everything is over $300/ night this time of year (some are $1000 wtf?) but she thinks we can find one of those beach motels that there are a million of. So we pick up cocktails in a can at the 7-11 and start the search. It's a tough go but actually kinda fun cruising motels w my girl. Most have a no vacancy sign but we pop into a couple that say vacancy and eventually have luck. We finally score something and amazingly enough it's literally steps from the beach, nicely appointed and surf crashing as we enter the room.

True to form she gives an excellent and long BJ to a CIM and spit. We cuddle for a bit snd then she says let's go out! So we hit two places. One packed with a live band and dancing and one lowkey with a pool table. A couple hours I suppose. Then more 7-11 cocktails because we killed the first four pack (she can really drink!) and then we walk on the beach barefoot. It's chilly but amazing and just one of those life experiences you never forget.

Back in the room we warm up a bit but no round 2. So far we have not done a double. We will see.

So an awesome night but here's the bad news good news and a warning. After I drop her off I am about 5 minutes from her place and blue flashing lights behind me. Yep. Being pulled over at 2 AM and I am lit. Thank god things never go there. He gives me a speeding ticket (which he knocked 10 mph off thank u) and a citation for out of date insurance card and sends me on my way. So that is the good news. No DUI. But fuck what a wake up call. Got to chill a bit. Getting crazy is fun but writing you from jail not so much!

Anyhow that is my wild tale. Bring me up to date on your adventures guys!

CgSingh
10-18-21, 17:47
Hi guys,

Fortunately I stumbled upon this forum. I am from India. I've been reading your posts and honestly, love them. They are so knowledgeable and give inputs on various facets of sugar-babe scene.

Friends, I am 52 and 6 feet tall, slim and exercise to keep myself fit. Girls find me handsome (no jokes, they told me). I have a query for you. I'd be most obliged if you guys share your thoughts on it. Buddies, I do take a Pill before sex but I can only come once a week in pussy. I can fuck well for a long time but the satisfaction of releasing in pussy every 4/5 days is elusive to me. I have spoken to many docs and experts In India and they told me at my age, body system needs time at least 5 days for it to again build up. This SA and girls are addictive and cannot let go of them easily too. You'll understand my dilemma. I have tried 6 girls in Aug and September but my experiment failed and it's a total waste of money and mood spoiler by ultimately having a HJ or BJ. Girls have been good to me and understand it but it's for my own satisfaction to release in Pussy.

Buddies, I need your advice as to how you manage and do it if you do it on a frequent basis. Like Steve, I read your reports and find that you cum easily; perhaps minimum with 2 girls in a week. Not counting numbers but I wish to have a new new girl and cum in pussy and not in mouth or by a HJ. Sometimes, it's ok to have a combination of all and get a mix of all 3 but I get ultimate satisfaction of cuming in pussy.

I know it's my first post but I do look forward to everyone's views on my issue. Kindly do share your views on it.

Thanks in advance.

Akibono
10-18-21, 23:10
Well haha just like it rains it pours it can go to a draught just as fast! So after having three hotties in line, Teri went quiet and Sue and I got into a pissing contest. We had things all arranged and then she bagged on the day part of our date without communicating and then having an elaborate lame excuse. I kinda got petty and said was our date on tonight or should I find another date and that def hurt her feelings. It was uncalled for and I felt bad. Anyhow we made up but our date was cancelled.

Fortunately Uma comes thru last minute with a "how's your day" which I pounce on and say I want to see you tonight. She reminds that she is on the rag but has "supple lips" and I say I am down. Well this turns out to be a barrel of fun.

We have an epic dinner at a South American restaurant I manage to find and she is stunned because it's not far from her. Amazing food and a couple drinks. We are comfy together so we start to talk about how to find a motel. Everything is over $300/ night this time of year (some are $1000 wtf?) but she thinks we can find one of those beach motels that there are a million of. So we pick up cocktails in a can at the 7-11 and start the search. It's a tough go but actually kinda fun cruising motels w my girl. Most have a no vacancy sign but we pop into a couple that say vacancy and eventually have luck. We finally score something and amazingly enough it's literally steps from the beach, nicely appointed and surf crashing as we enter the room.You got lucky. At that time, most cops are looking for dui. Beside ruinous insurance costs and legal fees, in many states you will be walking or doing taxis for six months. This is true even for the first offense.

On a different note, I bagged my first SB. Looks like I will be seeing her often. She's not a pro, but not a true amateur either. Was it worth the effort? Yes. Lots of work and not very predictable. I like the fact that she is a graduate student and reliable for now (at least when they need the money). The downside is she wants to be discreet. So, limited options outside of the room for now. Hotels are getting to be an issue with closed bars and restaurants, reduced housekeeping and now check in after FOUR! Had anyone had an issue with just vacating a room without formally checking out? I am in my home area and just use the room for a few hours. Not sure if there is a better option. Most hotels still don't have remote checking and checkout.

Steve 9696
10-19-21, 00:00
You got lucky. At that time, most cops are looking for dui. Beside ruinous insurance costs and legal fees, in many states you will be walking or doing taxis for six months. This is true even for the first offense.

On a different note, I bagged my first SB. Looks like I will be seeing her often. She's not a pro, but not a true amateur either. Was it worth the effort? Yes. Lots of work and not very predictable. I like the fact that she is a graduate student and reliable for now (at least when they need the money). The downside is she wants to be discreet. So, limited options outside of the room for now. Hotels are getting to be an issue with closed bars and restaurants, reduced housekeeping and now check in after FOUR! Had anyone had an issue with just vacating a room without formally checking out? I am in my home area and just use the room for a few hours. Not sure if there is a better option. Most hotels still don't have remote checking and checkout.

First of all CONGRATS Aki! I know u been poking around the edges. So glad u landed a hottie!

Yeah I know how lucky I am. Seems to follow me thank god. I remember he asked me whatcha been doing this time of night and I said "fucking a 25 year old hottie and drinking like a fish". Hahaha. Not really. I did only say "just hanging out" and he let it pass. Surely he coulda fished and hassled me. Nice guy. Again thanking my lucky stars.

On hotel NEVER had a problem just leaving. I haven't checked out EVER when dating. No problem at all. Pro tip: when you book you just give name not address. They often take your license and to key in your address. Stop them and say that's not my current address. They will either leave it blank or ask you and you can give a bogus address. One time they put in my real address anyhow and no I'll effects but better to avoid if you have a SO.

TeFab456
10-19-21, 00:18
I have tried 6 girls in Aug and September but my experiment failed and it's a total waste of money and mood spoiler by ultimately having a HJ or BJ. Girls have been good to me and understand it but it's for my own satisfaction to release in Pussy.What about CIM? I also don't come easily but I can shoot two or three times an evening if blown with feeling. An that sets me free for coming also into pussy. But not with condom, alas only with Sugargirls.

Steve 9696
10-19-21, 00:57
Hi guys,

Fortunately I stumbled upon this forum. I am from India. I've been reading your posts and honestly, love them. They are so knowledgeable and give inputs on various facets of sugar-babe scene.

Friends, I am 52 and 6 feet tall, slim and exercise to keep myself fit. Girls find me handsome (no jokes, they told me). I have a query for you. I'd be most obliged if you guys share your thoughts on it. Buddies, I do take a Pill before sex but I can only come once a week in pussy. I can fuck well for a long time but the satisfaction of releasing in pussy every 4/5 days is elusive to me. I have spoken to many docs and experts In India and they told me at my age, body system needs time at least 5 days for it to again build up. This SA and girls are addictive and cannot let go of them easily too. You'll understand my dilemma. I have tried 6 girls in Aug and September but my experiment failed and it's a total waste of money and mood spoiler by ultimately having a HJ or BJ. Girls have been good to me and understand it but it's for my own satisfaction to release in Pussy.

Buddies, I need your advice as to how you manage and do it if you do it on a frequent basis. Like Steve, I read your reports and find that you cum easily; perhaps minimum with 2 girls in a week. Not counting numbers but I wish to have a new new girl and cum in pussy and not in mouth or by a HJ. Sometimes, it's ok to have a combination of all and get a mix of all 3 but I get ultimate satisfaction of cuming in pussy.

I know it's my first post but I do look forward to everyone's views on my issue. Kindly do share your views on it.

Thanks in advance.I have several thoughts here (is anyone surprised? First let me dispel the myth that I can cum many times from fucking. Yes I've had occasion to cum with 5 different girls in 24 hours (twice) but only one of those — usually the first or secondbis in pussy. That's because in pussy is usually condoms and condoms suck. Oh and your doctor is full of shit.

So the place to start is get condoms that suck less. In fact if you aren't girthy you can get condoms that are almost not there. Get the Okamoto 01's. These are amazing. You hardly feel they are there. And you can feel her pussy heat if a girl is into you. Only problem is they are super small. Even the large is too tight on me but I am girthy. If you are more regular size get the large and you will be in heaven. You can get them from Allfromjapan if you are outside Japan. Barring the Okamotos I've found Skyn to be good and thin and the girls like the non latex.

Second improve your fucking details. First if you haven't done it the position you want is where you bring her on her back with pussy at edge of bed. You stand at the bed and slide in. Just adjust your foot width to get the height right. Grab her legs and pound away. This is very dominant and they love it too because if you have an upswing dick it massages their gspot good. But mostly you can fuck forever like this and not get tired. Lean over and you can DFK while fucking also.

The other thing to improve is don't focus on your orgasm. Just take in her beauty. The way she is scrunching her face or smiling. The tendons in her neck. Her tits bouncing. Somehow when I just enjoy looking at the her and not focus on cumming I am more likely to cum!

And finally as the previous poster says learn to love CIM. With a girl with top notch BJ skills CIM is a way better way to finish than in pussy IMO.

Have fun!

Steve 9696
10-19-21, 03:00
Oh and Akibono on the checkin at 4 thing this depends how busy they are. At certain times of year I've been able to checkin as early as 1230. That said U should checkout day use hotels. There is dayuse.com and hotelsbyday.com and they offer like 9-3 at a really good price. Haven't been able to find availability during peak season but off season I have been able to get a nice hotel at $100 and have a great nooner. Recommend you check it out.

Midwestern
10-19-21, 05:41
Had anyone had an issue with just vacating a room without formally checking out? I am in my home area and just use the room for a few hours. Not sure if there is a better option. Most hotels still don't have remote checking and checkout.What Steve says is correct. In the United States, you can just walk out of the hotel without formally checking out. If you want to just use the hotel room for a few hours, then no problem. No need to return to the hotel the next day to formally check out.

Midwestern
10-19-21, 05:51
Are you wearing a condom? If so, then this is a common problem. I also have problems cumming in pussy when I am wearing a condom.

But if you're looking for a solution, then I do not know what to tell you.

I actually do not need to cum, since I can do that by myself. I like fucking, which I cannot do by myself, and so fucking someone for a couple of hours without cumming is no problem for me.

I just got back from a business trip. Fucked 13 times in 8 days with 9 different gals. I think I only came once, or maybe it was twice. For the girls, it totally confuses them when I just leave without cumming. They apologize profusely, but I tell them that I'm quite content and very happy. Especially watching them and caressing them as they are blowing me is just so satisfying.


Hi guys,

Fortunately I stumbled upon this forum. I am from India. I've been reading your posts and honestly, love them. They are so knowledgeable and give inputs on various facets of sugar-babe scene.

Friends, I am 52 and 6 feet tall, slim and exercise to keep myself fit. Girls find me handsome (no jokes, they told me). I have a query for you. I'd be most obliged if you guys share your thoughts on it. Buddies, I do take a Pill before sex but I can only come once a week in pussy. I can fuck well for a long time but the satisfaction of releasing in pussy every 4/5 days is elusive to me. I have spoken to many docs and experts In India and they told me at my age, body system needs time at least 5 days for it to again build up. This SA and girls are addictive and cannot let go of them easily too. You'll understand my dilemma. I have tried 6 girls in Aug and September but my experiment failed and it's a total waste of money and mood spoiler by ultimately having a HJ or BJ. Girls have been good to me and understand it but it's for my own satisfaction to release in Pussy.

Buddies, I need your advice as to how you manage and do it if you do it on a frequent basis. Like Steve, I read your reports and find that you cum easily; perhaps minimum with 2 girls in a week. Not counting numbers but I wish to have a new new girl and cum in pussy and not in mouth or by a HJ. Sometimes, it's ok to have a combination of all and get a mix of all 3 but I get ultimate satisfaction of cuming in pussy.

I know it's my first post but I do look forward to everyone's views on my issue. Kindly do share your views on it.

Thanks in advance..

Akibono
10-19-21, 07:30
Are you wearing a condom? If so, then this is a common problem. I also have problems cumming in pussy when I am wearing a condom.

But if you're looking for a solution, then I do not know what to tell you.

I actually do not need to cum, since I can do that by myself. I like fucking, which I cannot do by myself, and so fucking someone for a couple of hours without cumming is no problem for me.

I just got back from a business trip. Fucked 13 times in 8 days with 9 different gals. I think I only came once, or maybe it was twice. For the girls, it totally confuses them when I just leave without cumming. They apologize profusely, but I tell them that I'm quite content and very happy. Especially watching them and caressing them as they are blowing me is just so satisfying..When I was younger, I used to think the orgasm was the only goal. Today, I much prefer a longer fuck than an orgasm. It is all about the pleasure and how to control it. When you have an orgasm, your mind releases pleasure chemicals which have a good effect on the body because it reduces stress. However, there is a limited supply. So, once you have a release, you need time to recharge. However, when you fuck, you can control the release of those chemicals. Not only does a longer, slower release feels better, but you get that feeling over a longer period. As I grow older, I understand that sex is not binary. It is more like an oscillating curve that you have some control over (the girl has some control too). You can play beautiful music by changing the rhythm. It is amazing how sometimes the intensity is just shy of an orgasm. Getting to that dream state is the goal.

Akibono
10-19-21, 07:36
Oh and Akibono on the checkin at 4 thing this depends how busy they are. At certain times of year I've been able to checkin as early as 1230. That said U should checkout day use hotels. There is dayuse.com and hotelsbyday.com and they offer like 9-3 at a really good price. Haven't been able to find availability during peak season but off season I have been able to get a nice hotel at $100 and have a great nooner. Recommend you check it out.Damn that is a nice solution. My SB is pushing for earlier times. A cheaper day rate is nice. The problem I have faced is that hotels lack cleaning staff. Thus the room may be available but not cleaned. I guess you have to put up with the looks of the staff since they probably know exactly what is going on. I text my SB the room number and we try not to be seen together.

Steve 9696
10-19-21, 12:02
I just got back from a business trip. Fucked 13 times in 8 days with 9 different gals.

.Dude you are slaying it! You make us proud! Would love some more details of where you went and about the venues and girl experiences either here or by PM if you prefer. Rock on!

Midwestern
10-19-21, 13:47
Steve, since you asked. For work, I had to go to Beijing, my old stomping grounds. But TBH, it was nothing special. I mostly fucked some of my favorite WGs that I know. I did meet a former SB, and I think you will find that part of my trip to be super frustrating. BTW, Steve, you're mentioned in Day 5 of this FR.

I invited a former SB to go with me and stay for a few nights. I will call her TW (titless wonder). TW used to live in Shanghai, but she's a single mother and decided to move back home to raise her son who is now of an age that needs a mom full time. TW is tall, attractive, and despite her age, she has a very tight bod. She loves DATY, which she didn't even know was a thing until I introduced her to it. When she lived in Shanghai, I was helping her out with $600 per month rent, but then she started asking for a $900 per month allowance too. To be fair, this is still less than the market price for an SB in Shanghai. But after having been with her about 20 times, it was getting stale and I balked at the allowance, and that was part of the reason she moved.

Day 1, two gals. I arrive on Sunday. Met a former FWB and we fucked for almost two hours. Then I went to an MP to relax. My masseuse was nothing special, mid-40's. To my surprise, there was a happy ending, but in the middle of it, she said she could blow me for $45 tip. So I said sure. She was really into it. My guess is because my cock is totally bald. So then on a whim, I asked her to fuck me, and she refused, but I said just do it for a minute. After a brief hesitation, she pulled down her pants and underwear and started jack hammering me bareback. Again, I think she did it because she was really liking my totally bald cock. The jack hammering lasted for about 20 seconds. Then she started giving me a hand job. But I begged for her to fuck me again, and she did. Another 20 seconds. Then she finished with CIM. Afterwards, she asked if I could give her more than $45, and I gave her $75 and she was thrilled. I got her WeChat, but I was not determined to see her again. I had limited time, after all. Plus, her better days were behind her. And she was just desperate for any kind of money grab, which was a bit of a turn off.

Day 2, just TW. So, on Monday, I show up at work and worked all day. TW was arriving later that night. Suddenly, late afternoon, TW texts me telling me that she suddenly got her period! WTF?! I think I totally got munsoned and I am pretty pissed off. I was stuck with her for the next three nights. So I thought about getting quickie before seeing her, but I couldn't get out of work, and work eventually became a working dinner, and I couldn't get free until around 10 pm. I go meet TW at our hotel. We shower and she blows me in bed, and I get really horny and so we started fucking, and it felt great. But sure enough, there's blood everywhere, and we spend the next 30 minutes scrubbing the sheets as clean as possible. Afterwards, we shared a bottle of wine and we pass out.

Day 3, three gals. I finish up some work by lunchtime on Tuesday. I have to be back for a company dinner. Since TW is not fuckable, I decide to try to fuck three girls that afternoon. And so I first went to see one of my favorite WGs. She is super duper tiny. Fucking her is like fucking a fairy or an elf. It was great seeing her again. She knows me well, and so she let's me bareback her. Barebacking a WG is probably the dumbest thing to do ever, especially given the fact that she fucks several guys every day. Anyway, after about an hour of fucking her, I am off to girl #2. She is also a favorite WG of mine. Amazing body. Cute butt, very big and firm nice tits for a Chinese girl, and actually everything is firm. She has the body of a 23 year old, and that's because she is 23 years old, haha. She's actually a lesbian, but she loves cock. Go figure. Anyway, we fucked for about 30 minutes. She let me bareback her for the first time. Again, stupid of me. Then I am off to girl #3. She's also a WG, but she's a new gal for me. Just wanted to try a new person to see if I can add to my stable. But she was disappointing. Just average looking, though service was good. I was saving my nut to bust inside of gal #3, but because she was not hot, I couldn't do it, and besides, I was wearing a condom, and it's hard for me to cum with a condom. So, after three days, I fucked 6 gals, but haven't cum yet. Crazy. That night, after work dinner, I go out with TW and I get drunk and then I pass out in bed with her. We just slept together like an old married couple.

Day 4, two gals. Similar to Day 3, but the elf had a tight schedule because she was fucking someone at 1 pm, then 3 pm, then 5 pm, so I couldn't squeeze into her schedule. So I just went to see the lesbian. Then I tried out another new WG, but this one was flabby, so again I couldn't bust a nut. BTW, I could only see two girls on Wednesday because I decided to work out in the gym after lunch, and so I was tight on time. I go back to the office for a working dinner, and then I went out with TW again and got drunk. She started calling me a drunk, which was annoying. Again, we slept together that night like an old married couple.

Day 5, two gals. Similar to Day 4, but this time it's with the elf and with the lesbian. I might have finally cum with the lesbian, but I cannot remember now. BTW, while I was in K9 with her, I just could not believe how amazing her body was, and I asked her if I could take a picture of me doing her doggy style. She said sure. So I took a couple of pictures of her with my cock fully inside of her and with my cock halfway inside of her. I took the latter picture so that I can show Steve the picture of my bald cock. I've never uploaded pics onto ISG and was excited to finally do it. But as I was admiring the pics in the taxi, I realize that having these pics on my phone was probably dumb, and so I deleted them. Sorry, Steve. Anyway, TW left that day. So I was a free man that night. But this was our last working dinner and we got stupid hammered on baijiu (similar to vodka, but 106 proof). I was so hammered that I went back to my hotel room and passed out and woke up around 2 am. My first free night without TW is wasted! So I just went out and got a bucket of KFC and returned to my hotel room and got hammered again and then ate the entire bucket of KFC and then passed out again.

Day 6, no gals. It's Friday, and my last day of work on this business trip. Unfortunately, with all the fucking that I did during the afternoons on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I was very behind on my work. And I ended up working all day and night. When I finally finished, I was not in the mood to fuck. And besides, I was feeling hungover from the night before and I also felt disgusting because I had an entire bucket of fried chicken inside of my belly and I was also constipated from it. So I nursed a beer and went to bed.

Day 7, three gals. I start out the morning with a humongous shit. I bet it weighed over 3 pounds. I felt great afterwards. It's a Saturday, my only free day, and I was feeling really good, super horny, and quite ambitious, and so I am thinking about trying to fuck five girls that day. I started the morning with the FWB. Then I saw a WG that I know. She may have the best body out of everyone from this trip, but she is a hard core WG and has always treated me like a customer, and so I'm never in a rush to see her. But seeing and feeling that amazing body of hers was making me regret not seeing her earlier, and more often. Oh well. Then, I went to see another WG. And it's only around 1 pm, and so I am thinking that maybe I will be able to fuck 5 girls that day, maybe even 6. The third gal is also someone that I've known for a long time, and so she also let's me bareback her. While I was fucking her, she begged for me to bust my nut inside of her. She said she took medicine. Maybe that meant she was on the pill. I did not want to cum, because I still wanted to fuck two or three more girls that day, but the idea of cumming inside of her was too tempting and so I busted a nut inside of her. Then I ate lunch. Then I took a nap. After I woke up, I had zero desire to fuck. So I spent the rest of the day watching movies on my iPad and that night at a bar with a friend of mine.

Day 8, I returned home.

So I barebacked FWB twice, barebacked MP gal once, barebacked TW once, barebacked elf twice, barebacked lesbian three times, cover fucked new WG #1 once, cover fucked new WG #2 once, cover fucked old WG #1 once, and barebacked old WG #2 once.


Dude you are slaying it! You make us proud! Would love some more details of where you went and about the venues and girl experiences either here or by PM if you prefer. Rock on!

WyattEarp
10-19-21, 15:14
Hi guys,

Fortunately I stumbled upon this forum. I am from India. I've been reading your posts and honestly, love them. They are so knowledgeable and give inputs on various facets of sugar-babe scene.

Friends, I am 52 and 6 feet tall, slim and exercise to keep myself fit. Girls find me handsome (no jokes, they told me). I have a query for you. I'd be most obliged if you guys share your thoughts on it. Buddies, I do take a Pill before sex but I can only come once a week in pussy. I can fuck well for a long time but the satisfaction of releasing in pussy every 4/5 days is elusive to me. I have spoken to many docs and experts In India and they told me at my age, body system needs time at least 5 days for it to again build up. This SA and girls are addictive and cannot let go of them easily too. You'll understand my dilemma. I have tried 6 girls in Aug and September but my experiment failed and it's a total waste of money and mood spoiler by ultimately having a HJ or BJ. Girls have been good to me and understand it but it's for my own satisfaction to release in Pussy.Steve's Japanese condoms suggestion is a very good idea. I suspect the women will make a high pitch squeal when you enter them like the Japanese porn girls. (That's a joke.) Steve's recommendation to try different sexual position angles is spot on. Some positions increase the friction applied to your penis.

There are a variety of other things than can help.

Cut down on watching porn. Men are highly visually stimulated. Porn can cause overstimulation in the male brain. Less stimulation from porn can help your stimulation with a woman.

Stop masturbating for a week or two before going on a sex trip or SA binge. Try less aggressive ways to masturbate.

Topical Vitamin E oils and other ointments are also believed to help penile sensitivity. These should be applied daily for several weeks before you will see benefits.

I would start reading information on the internet from reputable medical sites. There is a lot out there.

Steve 9696
10-19-21, 16:35
Can't believe you had all this juicy detail queued up in your brain and were hoarding it until I prompted you! You bad boy!

Great FR. I literally LOL as I visualized a hopelessly drunk MW consuming a whole bucket of KFC. Hahaha. Still laughing.

Keep it up man (literally and figuratively)! The girls that is. Not mass KFC consumption!

LshRoomer
10-19-21, 17:11
I had heard of girls being flaky from SA, but I simply had never experienced it in any manner that would make it notable. That has firmly changed. I now know how real the flake truly is.

There was a choice to go to Seattle or Phoenix. I would have happily gone to Europe but I didn't' want to deal with Covid tests, etc. I don't keep a membership to Seeking, so I usually join for a month around the time of my travel. This has worked really well. Simple pattern: Start chatting girls up around 10 days before arrival, pull some of them over to whatsapp, schedule multiple meets and I usually end up canceling a date with those not selected and meet them some other day. 95% of my experience has been in Europe, so this was what I'm used to. The girls may be nervous, but they show up and they are down AF to actually meet in person.

After my Madrid trip, I had another 3 weeks of membership to burn, so I scouted Seattle and Phoenix for SB. Phoenix won for reasons besides mongering. So I chatted up multiple girls from Phoenix and moved over to regular texting. Had a few strong SBs that were really eager for me to "return". They sent pics, hit me up with some frequency and I kept them warm and waiting. Finally it was time for me to head to phoenix and I would have never expected what happened next.

I had the dancer, the professor, the waitress, the shorthaired MILF, the pastry chef, the pale girl, the short girl, the ethiopian, the stay-in girl, and the tattooed girl all in constant communication awaiting my arrival. Here comes the flakery. The day before I arrived, two girls rescinded their interest, and one completely stopped responding so I was down to 7 possibilities with one that only wanted to hang out indoors (escort). One said that they found someone and the other said they would feel too much like a ****.

Cool. With 7 left and using my european experience as a guide, this was more than enough for a solid week for fun and banging. On the day I arrived, I scheduled 4 dates at the same time, now fully aware that the flake exist. By the time I touched ground, all of them canceled. W T F!

They all scheduled follow up dates later in the week. As the days came and I reached out to set things up, they all were ready for the night, but when it was time to meet, crickets. Complete ghosts. By Tuesday, only 4 girls were still responding, although selectively. I set up a time with pale girl and she kept in contact all day, until it was time to meet. Then crickets. I set up another time to meet with 2 of them, one primary and one backup. Both went silent. Pale girl texted me the next day and promised that she was down to hang out. Short girl said she needed rent money and was super down to hang out as well. By this time, it was Wednesday, so I figured maybe I was getting a slow start. When 6 pm came, crickets from both of them all night.

I hit up a strip club and it was empty. After sitting next to an attractive dancer and buying a few drinks, she chatted me up. She told me about her sexual freedom and that she was an SB before. I told her about my issues and that I was in the market for someone reliable. She was down and asked if we could hang out Thursday night. I said hell yeah. I gave her my number and told her to text me later. To my surprise, she did.

Now let me say that I really wanted to bang short girl. She was flaky AF, but there are some girls that you want to bang more than others. The short girl hits me on Thursday ready and willing, as in times past, but this time was a little different. She kept in touch all day, returned text messages, and was generally curious about where we were going to go. This behavior was different than before. The stripper now contacted me on Thursday multiple times to confirm our later meeting, though slow in her responses. I confirmed. Now, I was stuck with at the fork in the road. Go for the seemingly not flaky stripper that wants more of an emotional connection from her SD, or the short girl that I really wanted to bang. Choices, choices. I got busy as the day continued and when I didn't' write the stripper back for an hour around 4 pm, she made other plans thinking that I was flaking on her. I was used to the flake by this point, and thought that at least I'll bang the short girl. Crickets! WTF!! The short girl wrote me around 10 PM (about 3 hours after I wrote her) and told me that she's in the bed and really doesn't want to come out this late and furthermore if she did, it would be quick. No hang out or chill, just bang and go home. I declined and she then offered to come by in the morning on Friday.

I was leaving on Friday but my morning was free. I figured I would bang the short girl with morning wood and then jump on my flight. She was serious this time. I guess she needed the money. She hit me up at 7 AM ready to rock. I gave her my address and told her to come on by. She's called and texted and really made an effort. As she got closer, I decided that I'm only going to bang her if she is exactly what I want. So I figured I would wait outside and scope her out before actually meeting. I saw her from my very close vantage point and in person, she was awkward and not super attractive, even enough to break my morning wood. I realized that this was pretty much an escort experience and I wasn't in the market for one of those, so I called an audible. I ghosted the girl who had ghosted me for 5 days and left Phoenix thinking of what a shit show it really was. I am now intimately acquainted with the flake. It's not all rainbows and excellent sessions. I'm just keeping it real. The wins and the losses.

As I write this, there are 3 girls in Madrid keeping in contact. A Spanish girl (already banged) asking when I'm coming back to Madrid, another Madrid girl wanting to meet, and an italian girl also in Madrid that has been keeping in contact for the last 3 months and we still haven't met. The EU has spoiled me, for real. I know there are good experiences to be had in the US, but from my experience, it's takes more work to achieve the same results. After the world opens up, I'm heading to Asia for some exploration.

02 +.

MiamiBoy1
10-19-21, 18:35
I had heard of girls being flaky from SA, but I simply had never experienced it in any manner that would make it notable. That has firmly changed. I now know how real the flake truly is.

.I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing!

Elvis 2008
10-19-21, 19:43
As I write this, there are 3 girls in Madrid keeping in contact. A Spanish girl (already banged) asking when I'm coming back to Madrid, another Madrid girl wanting to meet, and an italian girl also in Madrid that has been keeping in contact for the last 3 months and we still haven't met. The EU has spoiled me, for real. I know there are good experiences to be had in the US, but from my experience, it's takes more work to achieve the same results. After the world opens up, I'm heading to Asia for some exploration.

02 +.LOL. Maybe guys here have not been honest about the USA, but I thought I had been. In a good month on SA, I will get 3 responses / dates from the USA, 100 in Mexico, and 300 in Colombia. I imagine similar responses rates to Colombia in Brazil and Argentina from what I have seen.

You always take the one in hand in the USA. Having 7 responses and being stood up X 7 is to be expected. Unless I get a text from an American woman that day, I do not even bother going. It gets better in the USA when the women know you, but you have huge hoops to jump through to get there. And it is not just the USA. Even in the Latin nations, I get blown off until the women meet me.

I do have a set of American women where I guess I could rekindle things. Sure, they would make you spin your head but of these last three, one was a stunning college cheerleader but bipolar as hell, one had her car monitored for excessive drinking, and one was a stripper. Hell, the female stripper had a BF who was a male stripper. I look down my nose at them but truthfully, they were all top 10% in the bed room, and most men would look at me and say, "Hey, you are lucky to have any of these women."

It is like Steve settling for a fattie. Yeah, you can. I guess with me, the question is why. What is top 10% in the USA is top 25% in Mexico and top 50% in Colombia. I would rather just save my shekles and travel abroad. Hell, my state of Texas is so fucked up that prostitution is now a felony and abortion is illegal. Who wants to fuck here? And we probably have the best looking women left. Shit, some of the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders now are big boned.

You should have hooked up with the stripper. Always take the woman in the USA that is in hand. Always! But I doubt you missed out on anything that great. It sounds like the EU like Latin America has the USA beat.

Steve 9696
10-19-21, 22:00
Damn that is a nice solution. My SB is pushing for earlier times. A cheaper day rate is nice. The problem I have faced is that hotels lack cleaning staff. Thus the room may be available but not cleaned. I guess you have to put up with the looks of the staff since they probably know exactly what is going on. I text my SB the room number and we try not to be seen together.Oh absolutely the hotel staff have seen it all before. And yes day use rooms kinda have one purpose. LOL. But def get used to some of the side eye particularly in restaurants. Harder for the girl than me because I couldn't give two fucks what some repressed geezer lady thinks. But I'm amazed at how some of the girls just totally ignore it.

Like Kayla wears nearly see thru dresses and no bra with her DCups. And damn Uma was wearing a short leather skirt and some fuck me boots and showing a ton of her double DDs and here she is sitting across from me chatting amiably as some matron looks on. They are both black and the way they are dressed there is no mistaking it for the daddy daughter dance. But they just rock on and don't give a fuck either. I think Uma in particular has complete confidence. Sexy black woman soon to be a doctor. She knows she stands out in a crowd.

Midwestern
10-20-21, 11:55
I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing!I think everyone on here has been honest about how DIFFICULT it is to get a good SA date, especially in the USA. I recently stated this in an earlier report:

"When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs. ".

So, I averaged about one good SB per month. If you are scoring two dates per week, then you are doing better than most of us.

DramaFree11
10-20-21, 13:29
I think everyone on here has been honest about how DIFFICULT it is to get a good SA date, especially in the USA. I recently stated this in an earlier report:

"When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs. ".

So, I averaged about one good SB per month. If you are scoring two dates per week, then you are doing better than most of us.Yes, I agree. M. Boy tends to leave out details and complains a lot. I have talked about my failures many times, so have most of the guys. I do not think anyone says it is easy in the states.

Steve 9696
10-20-21, 18:15
Yes, I agree. M. Boy tends to leave out details and complains a lot. I have talked about my failures many times, so have most of the guys. I do not think anyone says it is easy in the states.Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5.

PPS To be full disclosure I have had an additional 3 where the meetup happened so not a flake but the sex did not. Only one was a true fail where we had mad chemistry and she balked in the room. The other two were early in my journey. One the wrong age range snd a breakfast meet and one that I woulda closed without batting an eye if it was today.

My formula from the school of hard knocks is simple — Age 22-26, heavy girlfriend level texting, meetup for dinner and close with sex same night. Never lunch or breakfast. Never just a meet and greet. Always dinner and sex after.

DramaFree11
10-21-21, 21:41
Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5..Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

Steve 9696
10-22-21, 03:00
Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.I know u know all this DF but for the Newbies and experimenters…

There are lots of pluses for doing dinner and pushing for the SNL (single night lay). Even tho I do it because I've found it most effective I think there are clear reasons it's more effective.

1. Dinner is more relaxed and intimate and romantic.

2. You are both drinking. Beer goggles work both directions.

3. If you let her think overnight then in the light of day this old guy idea might not seem too good. But once you have fucked and she enjoys it and is comfortable w you then you are in for good.

DramaFree11
10-22-21, 03:08
I know u know all this DF but for the Newbies and experimenters

There are lots of pluses for doing dinner and pushing for the SNL (single night lay). Even tho I do it because I've found it most effective I think there are clear reasons it's more effective.

1. Dinner is more relaxed and intimate and romantic.

2. You are both drinking. Beer goggles work both directions.

3. If you let her think overnight then in the light of day this old guy idea might not seem too good. But once you have fucked and she enjoys it and is comfortable w you then you are in for good.Yep, this is the only way. Once you both relax you can enjoy a great night, who know what might happen.

I had a couple of girls say I have 2 your, for example 1-3 pm. I would reply politely, no. I can only meet for dinner or drinks because of my work schedule.

IndianDom
10-22-21, 03:09
Laredo is the best.


Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

Midwestern
10-22-21, 05:51
For the first meet, the flake rate is very high indeed. For me, maybe it was about 80%, with most of them being last minute cancellations. Sometimes they just did not show up, but that was kind of rare. Some would cancel well in advance, but that was also rare.

I won't go into all the reasons why the flaking happens, but just expect it.

Therefore, (1) don't book a hotel room in advance on a first date, and (2) have a backup plan.

I don't know how many times I drove over an hour for a first date, only to be flaked on and then stuck with a paid-for hotel room.

Eventually, I chose meeting places that I wanted to check out anyway. So, when the date flaked, I at least got to check out a new bar or new neighborhood.

Also, for the first date, I stopped doing dinners. For me, they were hit or miss, and when they were a miss, then I was stuck on a boring date for two painful hours. That said, when the dinner date was going well, it went very well. So, totally hit or miss, and given the misses, I stopped doing dinner dates as a first date.

For the second dates, the flake rate was almost zero for me, and I assume similar for you guys.

As for flying SA girls to meet me somewhere, I only did it twice, and both times they showed up. However, this was only after we were seeing each other. I would never fly a girl into town for a first date. Many girls say they are willing to do that, but I never took the chance.

Anyway, my attitude for first dates with an SA gal was to not have high expectations. You might then ask why I bothered. That is because there were the occassional pleasant surprises, and that made all the time and work worthwhile.

LshRoomer
10-22-21, 06:20
Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5.

PPS To be full disclosure I have had an additional 3 where the meetup happened so not a flake but the sex did not. Only one was a true fail where we had mad chemistry and she balked in the room. The other two were early in my journey. One the wrong age range snd a breakfast meet and one that I woulda closed without batting an eye if it was today.

My formula from the school of hard knocks is simple Age 22-26, heavy girlfriend level texting, meetup for dinner and close with sex same night. Never lunch or breakfast. Never just a meet and greet. Always dinner and sex after.I did notice something very odd in Phoenix. The girls that I landed had a decent sized age spread. They went from 19 - 45 with the average age about 28. I actually assumed that dealing with an older SB might make the dealings more solid (less flaky). I intentionally didn't text them too hard during the time that I was away in order not to seem like a bullshitter. That may have backfired a bit, as it took away that boyfriend prep feeling that Steve talked about. I agree that the heavy texting works to get them accustomed to the idea of you and at that point, a date feels a bit more normal.

Phoenix was bad, but screw it, it's all part of it. Some you bang, some you don't. My flake rate was abnormally high, but maybe the stars just didn't align or something. I used a different tactic this time as well, which I think probably put too much time between pulling them off of SA and actually meeting them in person. Usually that process takes about 10 days. You are fresh, they like you, and they are willing to meet. In this case, it was more than 30 days and even with texting, things probably just got stale. Lessons learned.

I don't mind scheduling 2 girls on the same night. I did 4 in this case because I saw the flake happening before I even landed. LOL.

Two girls at different times in one night gives me options to potentially call an audible if things are just not going well. The good thing is that I haven't had many girls that I didn't' click with once we hung out. I'm prepping to hit Madrid again in 2 weeks and I have one super solid SB that I've already banged, so I'll cement the relationship a bit more. The italian girl has been very responsive, so I need to officially meet her (I'm surprised she kept in contact this long). She told me that she moved to Madrid (instead of the outskirts), so she has more time now. I'm looking forward to adding her to my list, seriously. The heavy texting will begin in about a week or so and we'll see what happens.

02.

CgSingh
10-24-21, 03:49
Hey Steve,

Many thanks for replying. My apologies for late response to you and others too as had been busy working. I use a Durex condom and yes, I have tried Durex ultra thin; same, it's as good as no rubber on your dick. It's recently launched here and is a massive hit with men. With regards to your suggestion about Okamotos, I'll order and get them too but with Durex ultra thin, It's like man I am fucking bareback. It really is as if nothing on cock.

I am a big big big fan of missionary with tones of DFK and tongue action. If a girl is not into DFK, either my johnny doesn't sing or I lose interest because for me that is the most intimate thing in the entire experience. I will certainly try the position you suggested.

And yeah, Steve, you are right about me focusing on my orgasm.

I do love CIM. Girls have asked me how can I make you cum and then I did release in their mouths. No complaints on that front. I have a couple of them who like giving BJs and can really go long on it in spite of their neck paining but they still persist with it.

Thank you for suggestions and replies.


I have several thoughts here (is anyone surprised? First let me dispel the myth that I can cum many times from fucking. Yes I've had occasion to cum with 5 different girls in 24 hours (twice) but only one of those usually the first or secondbis in pussy. That's because in pussy is usually condoms and condoms suck. Oh and your doctor is full of shit.

So the place to start is get condoms that suck less. In fact if you aren't girthy you can get condoms that are almost not there. Get the Okamoto 01's. These are amazing. You hardly feel they are there. And you can feel her pussy heat if a girl is into you. Only problem is they are super small. Even the large is too tight on me but I am girthy. If you are more regular size get the large and you will be in heaven. You can get them from Allfromjapan if you are outside Japan. Barring the Okamotos I've found Skyn to be good and thin and the girls like the non latex.

CgSingh
10-24-21, 03:50
Yes, MW, I do wear a condom and I have no issue cuming in it. A few years ago, I did not but once had an infection; so 100% it's always with condom on it. It was a mind issue with me as far as condom was concerned as lost my erection immediately with it but not anymore. It's a sorted issue with me.

Thanks MW for sharing your experience and Wow, 13 times in 8 days; is like he came, he saw and he conquered. Great.

Thanks.


Are you wearing a condom? If so, then this is a common problem. I also have problems cumming in pussy when I am wearing a condom.

But if you're looking for a solution, then I do not know what to tell you.

I actually do not need to cum, since I can do that by myself. I like fucking, which I cannot do by myself, and so fucking someone for a couple of hours without cumming is no problem for me.

I just got back from a business trip. Fucked 13 times in 8 days with 9 different gals. I think I only came once, or maybe it was twice. For the girls, it totally confuses them when I just leave without cumming. They apologize profusely, but I tell them that I'm quite content and very happy. Especially watching them and caressing them as they are blowing me is just so satisfying.

CgSingh
10-24-21, 03:52
Hi,

I'll give it a try; the Japanese condoms and the sexual position Steve suggested.

No, I do not watch porn at all and neither do I masturbate. But, yes, sometimes to have a release I am into DFK and a HJ; I love that if done slowly, sexily and right way. Some girls love this too. Had a couple of nice experiences on this.

Thank you for sharing information on the Vitamin E oils. I will read and see how it could be of use and help to me.

Thanks again.


Steve's Japanese condoms suggestion is a very good idea. I suspect the women will make a high pitch squeal when you enter them like the Japanese porn girls. (That's a joke.) Steve's recommendation to try different sexual position angles is spot on. Some positions increase the friction applied to your penis.

There are a variety of other things than can help.

Cut down on watching porn. Men are highly visually stimulated. Porn can cause overstimulation in the male brain. Less stimulation from porn can help your stimulation with a woman.

Stop masturbating for a week or two before going on a sex trip or SA binge. Try less aggressive ways to masturbate.

Topical Vitamin E oils and other ointments are also believed to help penile sensitivity. These should be applied daily for several weeks before you will see benefits.

I would start reading information on the internet from reputable medical sites. There is a lot out there.

Steve 9696
10-24-21, 20:08
Just a quick up on the swingers club thing I mentioned a few weeks back. Damn it is much bigger and better than I expected. The one I went to in BA had maybe 10 couples and a few more in the bar area. This one in FL we pull up and there is a line down the block. At least 50 in line. We get in and there are 200 people in the main club area dancing and drinking and another 75 or 100 in the back in various states of sucking and fucking. It's totally classy and well run. Amazing. Who the fuck knew this was possible in pussy prison USA!

Midwestern
10-25-21, 06:59
Tell us how you did!


Just a quick up on the swingers club thing I mentioned a few weeks back. Damn it is much bigger and better than I expected. The one I went to in BA had maybe 10 couples and a few more in the bar area. This one in FL we pull up and there is a line down the block. At least 50 in line. We get in and there are 200 people in the main club area dancing and drinking and another 75 or 100 in the back in various states of sucking and fucking. It's totally classy and well run. Amazing. Who the fuck knew this was possible in pussy prison USA!

Elvis 2008
10-25-21, 08:16
Hi guys,

Fortunately I stumbled upon this forum. I am from India. I've been reading your posts and honestly, love them. They are so knowledgeable and give inputs on various facets of sugar-babe scene.

I can fuck well for a long time but the satisfaction of releasing in pussy every 4/5 days is elusive to me.Yeah, so basically, you have the opposite of premature ejaculation. Here is a quote from the Mayo Clinic on premature ejaculation. "A side effect of certain antidepressants is delayed orgasm. For this reason, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), such as escitalopram (Lexapro), sertraline (Zoloft), paroxetine (Paxil) or fluoxetine (Prozac, Sarafem), are used to help delay ejaculation.

Of those approved for use in the United States, paroxetine seems to be the most effective. These medications usually take five to 10 days to begin working. But it might take two to three weeks of treatment before you'll see the full effect. End quote.

Thing is if raising serotonin prevents guys from coming than lowering it should make it easier for you to cum. Most antihistamines lower serotonin but periactin or generic name cyprohepatdine lowers serotonin the best. Usually antihistamines kill sex drive but this is just a cold medicine and who knows? Maybe it will work for you. It cannot hurt to try.

Back to Mayo, "Anesthetic creams and sprays that contain a numbing agent, such as benzocaine, lidocaine or prilocaine, are sometimes used to treat premature ejaculation."

So again, you want to do the opposite of that and to achieve the opposite of those numbing creams, you would use caffeine and / or Tylenol.

For me, stimulants make the orgasm a lot better, and in my advanced age, I can control when I cum so they are a net plus for me, but for others, it may cause them to shoot too quickly.

As for condoms, two things changed my mind about them, and I use them as infrequently as I can. The first was when I had these red bumps at the base of my dick after fucking with a condom. After looking at my dick a few hundred times, I concluded this was contact dermatitis and not herpes, used a steroid cream and the bumps went away. I later had a blood test showing I was negative for herpes to boot.

I then heard about this happening a few hundred times with other people. Thing is the latex in condoms is highly, highly allergenic and there have been reports of people being exposed to latex and dying on the spot from anaphylaxis. Latex allergies have been suggested to be as high as 20% of the population. Thing is that I have used condoms and not had these bumps so why did I get them that one time? I do not have a fucking clue.

The other thing that changed my mind is there was this huge study by the NIH that showed condoms do close to nothing with regards to STD transmission, and it was buried. I think the government did not want to back track and say that sex with condoms AKA safe sex was really not that safe. I am not recommending this but you live in India, and I think you can get antibiotics OTC there.

Anyway, when I was with someone new / strange and the gal was down for going bare, I would use antibiotics and antivirals to prevent STDs and I used Plan be or Levonorgestrel to prevent pregnancy. I am not telling you to do this, but it would be interesting to see if your issue is related to latex and condoms and going bare fixed it.


I have spoken to many docs and experts In India and they told me at my age, body system needs time at least 5 days for it to again build up.I do not know what that even means. What are you building up? Sperm? You can do that with vegetables, testosterone, and the cold. If your testosterone is low or low normal, that could be something that needs to be built up with injections, but we are equipped to be fucking our whole lives. The good thing about sex and pleasure is the chemicals involved are not that complicated unlike say the fucking Krebs cycle. I kind of wonder how much your doctors really wanted to help you. What if they taught you to have better sex and you got a STD?

Steve 9696
10-26-21, 23:28
Kayla Third Visit Day 1.

Kayla is a super hot petite black girl with a rocking set of firm DCups who I discovered back in August and have spent two long weekends with, spaced about a month apart. Definitely one of the best SBs I've ever had and the only time I've ever declared a body the mythical ten. Perfect in every detail.

I arrive late in the evening grab the car and go pick her up at her place. We are staying at a five star beachside hotel that I got an amazing Hotwire price on ($215 vs normally 388-549/ night) and I got a sweet sports convertible also so it's my most luxe visit to date and does not disappoint. On the way to the hotel we pick up tampons because she is on the tail end of her period, but this turns out to be good news —Stay tuned.

Before dinner, I had to run get her dress from the car and it's stretchy material. I literally LOL in the elevator bringing it up that it is the size of an infant onesie! Haha it is amazing it will stretch to fit an adult human but when it does ain't nuthin to hide!

We eat dinner at a wonderful Asian Fusion place — similar vibe to the one we met at but beachside so a step up. She loves being treated like a princess (who doesn't) so dinner is fabulous. The great news about Kayla is she totally understands the deal without ever saying it. So if you treat her well and she is happy she's going to return the favor and then some.

After dinner we head to the swingers club. I am expecting a small venue with a few couples but instead am greeted by a line of fifty people waiting to get in. We get our alcohol at the liquor store right next door (it's BYOB) and the line goes pretty fast. Inside you pay up and they get you a couples membership. Fair warning here — they take your drivers license and key all that stuff in and it's on a screen where your date can no doubt see your real name and you hers. Too late now to worry about that, but a heads up to you. I'm sure you could avoid this if you knew ahead.

The club is amazing. It's broken into two sections. This first part is just like a regular nightclub. Easily 150 people there with maybe 30 people dancing and the rest just milling about drinking. It's couples night so no single guys but there are some single girls in the mix.

We check in our bottles at the bar and they tag them with our number. After that it's like a regular bar, with several bar tenders and you just order what you want and they will use your bottles to make your drink. It feels just like a regular club but you don't pay since it's your stuff and the cover charge covers the mixers and staff. Oh there is a full buffet all night (till 4 AM) as well. We didn't partake but it looked pretty good.

We spend a couple hours here just enjoying the vibe and dancing a bit. But at some time. Maybe midnight or so we adjourn to the back. This is a whole other part of the club thru some black double glass doors. We get our bottles and bring with because there is a separate bar in the back sex area. We check them in and get naked. Well not quite. It's like FKK where you go to a locker room and change into a towel only — but it's coed. Both of you change.

I've said before Kayla is the prettiest girl in the room and no exception here. But I will say it's at least a relatively fit crowd. No giant polar bears or their female equivalent. Besides the bar there are a bunch of big leather beds and couches with people in various states of nakedness and sex engagement.

It turns out Kayla is not quite the freak I expected, although we have a great time. She's a bit shy about doing it with people clustered right nearby or some guy watching us. So we just circulate for a while and enjoy the spectacle while sipping our drinks.

Eventually we settle on a deep couch next to a guy and she takes off my towel and starts one of her exceptional blow jobs. It's really great. This goes on quite a while but at some point we stop and wander some more. Back in another area where it's less crowded we settle in and she is ready to rumble. I don't recall some of it but eventually we are both fully on the leather bed me doing her doggie and neither of us really caring who is watching. It's a great rhythm and we are both driving jointly.

As I'm nearing climax she says something over her shoulder that sounds like "just don't cum inside" and I'm thinking yeah yeah I know the drill. But I didn't quite hear and when she repeats it's instead "You can cum inside because I'm finishing my period". Aha that is a whole different thing! And CIP I do with abandon. That's a super rare treat and feels amazing!

So we rock back to the hotel, top down playing her tunes full blast. She is literally hands in the air like she just don't care! Man she is having a blast. We both look at it like our mini vacation from reality.

Previously when we checked in we had admired the suite, which has a full living room with a big leather sectional and a balcony beyond. And so we had some laughs about doing it in the bed and on the couch and on the balcony. Well all that's going to come true over the next couple nights.

She only has on a slip on dress (onesie size!) - no bra and no panties so she is strolling naked to the balcony seconds after entering. Ok balcony will be venue one, ma'am!

I join her on the balcony and get naked pretty quick. Usually I like the undressing but she's already on her back on one of the chairs inviting me to fuck her. So I do. It's kinda a cool position because I've got my hands on the arms of the chair and kinda missionary at an angle but with feet on the floor. Damn we have a good fuck in that position.

There is a bunch more here that I can't remember clearly. But later we move to the bed and we have some more great mish, her holding her ankles up around her ears. She laments she doesn't have her vibrator, but she didn't get time to pack after work and just has her dress and purse. We will fix this tomorrow. In the meantime we switch to her giving me head to finish it out CIM.

This was truly one of my best orgasms ever. I had shaved my balls for her and this didn't go unnoticed. She was all over mixing in some sloppy ball work (seemed to enjoy it) and mixing that in with great shaft work, doe eyes, and enthusiasm usiam, I was on the edge for 10+ minutes. This only happened once before with Noleta and let me tell you it is to die for. With a crashing writhing finish. OMG.

I left out a bunch of detail that I can't recall because we were both lit and fucked forever. We started the evening at 7:30 pickup and crashed in the bed after CIM at straight up 3 AM! So we musta fucked a good long time. And of course one round at the club also.

Honestly as I was falling asleep and also the next day I was thinking "that was so good I could be done now. Just fly home. I am completely satisfied. " What a great feeling. But no. Much more to come.

Steve 9696
10-27-21, 03:49
Kayla Third Visit Day 2 and 3.

Before I get farther I should mention I've become a Cialis fan, having used Viagra before and liked it. But with Cialis I just pop it a bit before the evening starts and don't have to think about a recharge late night or anything. Even tho they can last a couple days it's fine to recharge daily so each day before dinner I pop one. Had great hardness when needed (often!) and not so much of the flushing I had with Viagra. Recommend.

So day 2 we go grab her stuff, including her vibrator, and get some brunch at a nearby beachside hotel that has amazing sushi. We both get something different but generally pick off each other's plates. We have the BFGF date food sharing thing down. And then I have to do some stuff later that day so we don't reconvene till dinner.

Dinner that night we go to a winery where the food is amazing but the wine sucks. Go figure. Then it's off to our favorite speakeasy and then the stripclub. At the speakeasy as at dinner there is nothing to do but talk. You would think that on the 8th date with a 23 year old we'the be out of things to talk about. But nope. It comes easy between us and we really enjoy our time there over two drinks.

The stripclub is nice but no one really she is attracted to. (Very narrow taste! Lots of hot girls). But she likes them more like herself. Dark and petite and this crowd was lily white, with maybe two Latinas. Oh well still was nice eye candy and my girl on my arm. It was still a fun time and we both enjoyed ourselves.

Back in the room she is super free and fun having gotten pretty lit again. She declines the balcony when she thinks people next door are out but this gives a chance to try the couch. And oh my we make it count.

The main section is long modern white leather thing. So lots of room to play. We start with me seated naked and she gives me an amazing BJ. Tons of sloppy ball work and she is bringing the doe eyes like there is no tomorrow and man fuck she is gorgeous.

She mounts up Cowgirl with me seated and I get a chance for lots of hands and mouth in tits. They are amazing and she loves having them sucked. Oh and she likes to grab her own tit and pull it to her mouth and suck it hard while being fucked. Seems like something you would see in a movie but nope it's right here on my lap!

Again we are at this forever because there is lots more to come. Next she is on her back lengthwise on the couch and has her vibrator going and really enjoying it. She gestures to bring my cock in close to her mouth. I am always a little careful not to gag a girl so I am letting her set the pace and depth. But she then she says "fuck my throat baby!" And being the good daddy I am I give her a deep throat fucking all the way to the hilt. She seems to really like this. In fact when I take a break she says "fuck my throat" again and pulls me back in deep.

Next she says let's put on some of my porn babe. So we get her phone and transition to the bed. We do doggie at the edge of the bed watching girl on girl action, which she loves. Then more mish. Then her vibrator dies. Boo. But trooper that she is she swaps to BJ and extended orgasm and CIM. Just as good as night one! Which I thought could not be equalled. Glad to be wrong.

And oh Midwestern yes. Ball shaving is key. She was totally all over that much more than last time. Great ball work every night.

So Day 3. She has a dentist appt that I drop her at and come get her so that's a bit of a pain with traffic and all. But she does have a life after all and she appreciates when I do more than just drop cash. Then we are back together. Same place for brunch because too good to not repeat. Then I do my thing and she gets some pool time and we reconvene for dinner.

Found an amazing gem of a wine bar and Italian restaurant that is literally a block from our hotel. I have no idea how I overlooked it till then. Kill a bottle and then some and enjoy the food immensely. We talked about a walk on the beach and conclude it's too cold so we head back upstairs.

Night three is less epic because we are both about drunk and fucked out. But it's fun nonetheless. We head to the balcony again and share some tea. But it's not long before she is in her chair snd I am standing and she is blowing me while working herself. I also get some quality FIV time as well.

Then she says "want to fuck me bent over the rail?" Awww aren't you sweet! So we give this a go but even in her heels, with our height differential it looks better in the movies than real life. Undeterred, we swivel the chair around so it's back is to the railing and she hops on in doggie position.

She's got her phone now and puts on some more porn. Two girls on a big black dick and plenty of girl on girl action. Other than at FKK never watched porn while fucking before and now that's two nights in a row. Got to say I'm a fan.

I mount up and man it is fine! I can grab the rail or her hips as I prefer and look out to the evening Beach and waves or watch the porn as I pound out a nice one.

We sleep the sleep of the dead and part with a morning kiss and that is the end of Kayla visit three! Stay tuned for more (I hope!) because I do believe Kayla has pulled into the all time best all around SB position and visit number four is in the works.

WyattEarp
10-29-21, 14:42
Kayla Third Visit Day 2 and 3.

Before I get farther I should mention I've become a Cialis fan, having used Viagra before and liked it. But with Cialis I just pop it a bit before the evening starts and don't have to think about a recharge late night or anything. Even tho they can last a couple days it's fine to recharge daily so each day before dinner I pop one. Had great hardness when needed (often!) and not so much of the flushing I had with Viagra. Recommend.Great trip and great report Steve!

I love looking at dark women in a white bra and panty set. Against their dark complexion, sometimes it looks like the bra and panties are fluorescent. Of course, I'm not even sure if Kayla was wearing bra and panties. LOL.

I have the reverse issue between Cialis and Viagra. I get flush and light headache after initially taking Cialis. Viagra is fine, but eating and drinking can affect it's efficacy with me. It's better on an empty stomach, but that's not always practical. Perhaps I need to give Cialis another try and soldier on through a few applications.

Steve 9696
10-29-21, 15:02
So I had an unexpected duo with a lesbian couple that was some of the most spectacular pure sex I've ever had (report forthcoming). And there was virtually non-stop slathered up ball licking and sucking. I am convinced this is due to my freshly shaven balls and the fact that girls who like eating pussy like eating well groomed balls equally well. Do urself a favor and go squeaky clean down there.

P.S. I did mine with Nair and do not recommend. Yes I've had naked balls for over a week but damn did I have redness and burning for a few days. Even broke the skin in spots. Fuck me! Fortunately all healed in time for Kayla but it was not fun. Guess I got to figure out the shaving method. Although still totally worth it. LOL.

NeilGeorge
10-30-21, 01:40
Do urself a favor and go squeaky clean down there.
P.S. I did mine with Nair and do not recommend. Yes I've had naked balls for over a week but damn did I have redness and burning for a few days. Even broke the skin in spots. Fuck me! Fortunately all healed in time for Kayla but it was not fun. Guess I got to figure out the shaving method. Although still totally worth it. LOL.Better to leave the hair in place. Its God's natural lubricant along with sweat, when you are entering the pussy. If you shave your balls they will chafe in your underwear and continue to be red with burning.

CgSingh
10-30-21, 06:32
Elvis,

Thanks for your sharing your thoughts on my issue.

I met a 24 year girl who always smokes weed and she seems to enjoy it and drinks Vodka. I just told her that I want to give it a try as a friend told me that he started flying after smoking it and enjoyed a wild session with one of his gals. I have never ever smoked in my life but that day I did and honestly, the girl had to teach me like a teacher to her student. I for the 1st time in my life kept on fucking for a minimum of 45 minutes like an express train in different positions and came in pussy. I was mighty pleased with my stamina; although I understood that it was purely due to that stimulant I. E weed. I do have whisky to give the girls a company but not too much into drinking now. In my 20's and 30's, I could drink half a bottle of whisky with no change in my behavior. But due to my health reasons, have limited my intake of alcohol but yes, 2/3 pegs of whisky does help me in being more open, bold and experimental with the babes. Point taken and understood on the stimulant suggestion.

Elvis, I must have fucked more than 200/250 girls without condoms in my mongering career of more than 10 years as I used to lose my erection with the rubber on my dick. It was a mind issue with me. I developed a severe infection on my dick and was out of action for more than 15 months. But took a pledge, to never ever without a condom. I can cum in rubber. Although, I know the feeling of fucking a girl bareback is next to attaining nirvana. Numerous times, I could have fucked my sugar babe without it but controlled myself. As recently as last Sunday. Number of times girls tell me to fuck them without the condom, but I just politely turn down the request as it is in the heat of moment.

My testosterone level is not low, been tested thrice for it in a year. It is absolutely fine. I exercise every day, keep fit and groom myself. In fact, the girls have told me that I do not look my age; in fact 40 or max 45.

I have taken some additional responsibility in this last quarter and am looking forward to tons of work, travelling again within the country for business and plenty of sex.

Will keep everyone updated and posted here in November.

Happy fucking to all.


Yeah, so basically, you have the opposite of premature ejaculation. Here is a quote from the Mayo Clinic on premature ejaculation. "A side effect of certain antidepressants is delayed orgasm. For this reason, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), such as escitalopram (Lexapro), sertraline (Zoloft), paroxetine (Paxil) or fluoxetine (Prozac, Sarafem), are used to help delay ejaculation.

Of those approved for use in the United States, paroxetine seems to be the most effective. These medications usually take five to 10 days to begin working. But it might take two to three weeks of treatment before you'll see the full effect. End quote.

Thing is if raising serotonin prevents guys from coming than lowering it should make it easier for you to cum. Most antihistamines lower serotonin but periactin or generic name cyprohepatdine lowers serotonin the best. Usually antihistamines kill sex drive but this is just a cold medicine and who knows? Maybe it will work for you. It cannot hurt to try.

Steve 9696
10-31-21, 03:26
Warning this is super long. I wrote it right morning after so much of the detail was fresh. Plus I write these mostly for myself but I hope you guys enjoy as well. This was probably the most off the hook two hours of sex in my life with a couple of straight up amateur college girls. Read on.

OK I am definitely on a black girls run. Confirmed tonight with a last minute duo score. Of course I was just with Kayla, but have traveled to a new city. I had researched it before and had some prospects but honestly I was fucked out. Just couldn't muster the energy.

Till night three. LOL. There was a work event and a couple glasses of wine and I start thinking "why not" and start texting girls randomly from my playlist or brand new prospects from SA. Very aggressive opener like "I'm going out tonight to a nice dinner and drinks. Want to join me?" I had used this approach in London with some success.

A few nibbles but really no bites and I am now back in my hotel room half heartedly sending out inquiries when I get a response from two black girls. "Sure. $500 for us both". They aren't quite my type but marginally cute and I haven't had a duo in a while so I say let's do it. I'm a little wary of course because you rarely get that direct a come on. But I go with the flow carefully.

Originally I suggest meet at a bar but they remind me they are both twenty. LOL. So better to come to the room. Of course my scam radar is on high. Because they are driving 30 miles to see me and coming straight to the room. Not exactly standard offering. We are texting and they say they are on their way. I am certain I am going to get the "oh we are out of gas can you send money" text and resigned to jacking off. But the text never comes and sure enough they show up!

Amara is a rail thin tall dark black girl and Kayara is a thick light black girl. Couldn't be two more different looking black females. Turns out they are girlfriends and have been dating nine months. This ends up being very important to the vibe and what all we do. Amara is clearly the alpha and Kayara enjoys being a sub.

We chat amiably over some wine and I learn lots of interesting things. They are both freshman in college (skipped a year after HS) so there's that fantasy to check off. Learn of their relationship. And learn that they have tried SD twice and stood up both times! One time they drove two hours and were stood up! Poor things all they want is a daddy to fuck! So I am their first SD and boy do we make it memorable.

You can tell they are both a little nervous but the wine is helping Amara. Kayara doesn't drink and def seems a bit more shy. We actually have a really good conversation what are they studying and why, what do I do for work Etc. Eventually I excuse myself to go pee and say for them to get more comfortable if they like. They are both just in sweats because this was a last minute deal and they just came on. But in a way it's great because I'm going to be fucking two freshman coeds you might see on the the quad! LOL.

On returning, Amara is under the covers but sweatshirt still on and Kayara is slowly undressing. When Kayara is down to her bra (nice big DCups) I come over and embrace her and go for the kiss. At first I get a cheek, then two small pecks. Uh oh. Maybe they are too shy and naive. But they are here so what the heck.

I say "it's really cute that you are both so new to this" and they say why do I say that. And I say just by the way you kissed that I could tell you are really nervous. So Amara, the skinny black one and I mean she must be 5-10 and weigh 80 pounds really amazing in an odd way she gestures for me to come to the bed where she rears up and plants a deep and passionate French kiss on me, like this is how it's done baby. I find that even though she is in her sweatshirt she is naked down below. I squeeze that amazing tight ass with both hands and start to grow hard.

Pretty soon I am naked standing at the side of the bed, Kayara has finished undressing revealing a thick but attractive bod and Amara pulls her sweatshirt off over her head. Kayara starts blowing me while I make out with Amara but soon they are both blowing the fuck out of me and I remember why I like duos!

The double BJ is absolutely epic. They seem to be totally be in sync. Two mouths on shaft side to side. Kayara on shaft Amara in balls. Amara on upper shaft Kayara on lower. After a while I stop paying attention to what's what. There is so much sloppy shit going on down there that its mind blowing and I can't keep track of all the sensations.

A couple of times I get the urge to fuck but then think bloody hell why would I stop this? They must blow me easily for 20 minutes before I decide I've got to fuck one or the other. First up is Kayara in doggie style where she can eat Amaras pussy. Of course girls are pros at this so she is driving Amara absolutely bat shit crazy as I fuck Kayara from behind. She has a nice thick butt to grab on to and as she gets more and more lost in it (she likes fucking) she's whispering "fuck me daddy. Yes like that. Harder. " LOL.

After an eternity of this (I had jacked off earlier that day thinking it was going to be a celibate night) I decide to try out Amara and I swap them up. No need to change condoms because they are lovers. Amara is still on her back so Kayara moves up to sit on her face and I plunge into mish with Amara. She's very tight as you might expect given her body type. Some light bites and kisses on Kayara's back since it's right where my face lands. And some great mish pounding of Amara.

I eventually decide I want to cum, hoping to even do a round 2 but that's never guaranteed. So I lose the condom and lie on my back and they go to work. It's spectacular again and a lot of it but not quite cumming. So I move to standing again where they are on edge of bed and I get a great visual. After quite a bit more I start to cum in Kayaras mouth (she is better on shaft) and she starts to pull back. So I start to shoot on Amaras shoulder as she is on ball work. Good girl she is she doesn't want to waste it and gets me in her mouth for a few pumps of finish CIM.

They start working me and kissing me for round two instantly but I say I need to rest a bit. So we cuddle, but after a minute Amara starts to finger Kayaras pussy and they are off to the races for the best girl on girl I've ever witnessed. I learned a lot!

Amara is using her two middle fingers inside Kayara and fucking her aggressively and hard while slathering her clit with her tongue. Kayara is off in space somewhere and squealing and moaning. Then Amara switches to fingers side to side on clit. Her hand is moving so fast it's a blur. And K is going nuts. She has a clenching O but A is merciless and drives her for another O right after and another.

I join the fun as we are just using K like a fuck toy and she is sooooo down with that. So A starts finger fucking her again and I simultaneously do the furious clit side to side rubbing so she is getting doubled up. And fuck she goes thru two or three more Os. She's convulsing and shaking and eventually swats both our hands away. It's like she's had electroshock and it just totally wiped out.

I only let her rest a minute or so and bring K to the edge of the bed for mish with me standing. So now K can do A for a while when A sits on her face. She's a lot more gentle but A seems to like it and has some face scrunching Os. The fucking of K goes on a long time- and I love that position. Even tho I think K is all fucked out, not so. Her legs are straight up in the air as I fuck her deep and she has a couple Os one right after the other. Her right leg goes stiff and vibrates like a motherfucker and then subsides and then about 10 strokes later she's hit by another wave and the leg goes batshit again. Can't fake that shit!

At some point I get the desire to finger fuck A the way she did K. So while K is curled up in a fetal ball resting, LOL, I start making out with A and finger fucking her with my middle and ring finger as I learned from her. I am going in and out aggressively but she hand signals to do the same but not in and out but to curl my fingers for aggressive gspot tapping. This is prob what she was doing to K finger fucking snd gspot tapping both look similar from outside. So I am tapping her gspot like a madman and she has some crashing Os.

I've had pussys clamp down on me before but hers it like a full pushout. It feels like her pelvic floor is coming down and absolutely drives my fingers out. Then it relaxes and back in I go. And tap tap tap and boom another wave. Normally I would stop but I learned from watching them you can have a connected string of Os. So I go again and give her a couple more where she totally clamps down and pushes me out with her pussy. It's really something. Wow.

Ok time to fuck Amara again so I fuck her in doggie and she eats Kayaras pussy some more. Eventually we all kinda tire and they slide under the covers and create a little space between them for me. I squeeze in and we doze and snuggle for a while, a girls head on each shoulder. King of the world.

They are lightly playing with me by hand under the covers and I say I think I have one more shot in me if they are game. So we pull back the covers and down they go. A true labor of love they must be at it another ten minutes or more and it is truly great. I think I might have to go to a hand finish but when K is on shaft and A on balls. OMG. It's soooo good. Eventually I shoot a load again K backing off but A quickly slurps up the goods! What a team.

So then we just doze and cuddle but eventually they have to go. Amara has class at 1030 but Kayara has a 7 AM class. College girls! Def one of my best pure sex experiences ever. Never been with two girls so passionately into each other but still with the right focus on me. It was a two hour blur of nonstop fucking and sucking and fingering. Five stars!

Midwestern
11-01-21, 04:33
Man, I had a hellish weekend. Worked almost 12 hours on Saturday, and again on Sunday. At 9 pm Sunday, I finally got to relax. Cracked open a cold beer and I got caught up on sports scores on ESPN, financial news on CNBC, and it was all boring shit. So I opened up ISG and saw your long reports and reading them was a perfect way to relax with my beer.

Based on your description of the duo, I want to guess that it was either Vegas or Tampa Bay, but there is obviously no need to tell me.

I have often heard that sex with black girls is awesome. But I also heard that when it comes to black girls and P 4 P, then YMMV by a huge wide margin. Some are super scammers and some are totally DTF. But I should give it a try.

Cialis versu Viagra. I also get a flush with V, especially if I had a phyically exhausting day or even if I just exercised during the day. Recently, V is also stimulating bowel movements. Just last week, I swallowed a V, then 10 minutes later, I had to crap. With see, my erections are not as reliable and definitely not as hard. So, I use V for one-off sessions. If I am on a business trip, then I use see, since I am trying to fuck whenever I get a chance.

As for cock shaving, I am totally addicted to it. But I just use an electric razor. When I use a razor blade, my cock gets super itchy and red. It is painful. With an electric razor, I not totally smooth of course, but it gets the job done. However, lately, and maybe this is my imagination, I feel like the hair is growing back thicker, and so now when I have a couple of days of growth, my cock is like sandpaper. So far, one gal complained about it, saying it was uncomfortable. But when gals see my totally shaved cock, they just seem to love sucking on it.

Pessimist
11-02-21, 20:55
I have not tuned into this site in a while. Don't think I ever posted a report either although I wrote a lot of comments. So, this is a first.

So, I had discontinued my SA subscription for a while when Covid hit. I think I mentioned that here. I renewed it a few months ago when they ran a membership sale.

At first it was slow, but over time again, new contacts built up. Have enjoyed a few sessions. A few highlights here:

My best girl has been this absolutely stunning face (to me, she is) brown haired girl but she has some blonde streaks now. 22 years old, 5'8", skinny, not more than 110 lbs. I had known her for nearly 4 years. She had been on the site since she was 18. We had spoken on and off, and she always liked me but she used to login so infrequently into SA. Anyway, I never went anywhere. Then Covid came; I had never obtained her # earlier. So I was super happy to see her again on the site. Given how many handles these girls use, she has always had a single handle. She did change her profile pic, which earlier used to be a baby'ish pic but she now has nearly 10 to 15 photos in skimpy skirts, shorts, and bikinis. She did remember me after a few reminders, and finally met me for dinner (she brought her best friend as a chaperone, apparently she is also on SA; slightly older, perhaps late 20's). We got together for some alone time a few times since then. I have been helping her with some problems in her life, before Covid and since, and she is quite appreciative. Sex is totally GFE with this one, she is not super skilled, but could not be more real and more GFE. I don't want to give too many details and I will leave it at that. If I was not married with children and now a hard core monger with a dark soul, I would have fallen flat and in love with this girl, especially if I had her when I was young.

The second is a Puerto Rican Latina. Slightly outside my spec range in that I typically go for white girls but this one is very fair skinned and body structure too is similar to that of a skinny white girl. She is 26, 5'4", and has 2 children. She lives 15 miles from me. She is working as a lingerie photoshoot model, don't think it is as glamorous as it sounds or pays very much. She said she has had only 6 sexual partners in life, don't know why she thought that would make her more attractive to me. Anyway, she is very reasonably priced, this was her first arrangement and she didn't know how to negotiate hard. And most of all, we did it in her own bed. Her older one goes to school early in the day. Her 2nd one is a year and a half. She didn't have a baby sitter handy a couple of times and the younger one was in a crib and we did it on the living room carpet LOL. Anyway, my visits to this lady have declined after my business to the girl in the above paragraph picked up.

There was a one off, which is worth mentioning. I began talking to this 23 year old blonde. She has pictures with her wife on SA, the other one is 22. Yes, they actually got married apparently. I have no idea where they did it, if it is legal in my state (I am not in a coastal blue state). They actually are 2 1/2 hours away from me. At first when I began talking to the blonde, I thought they were scammers looking to sell some easy photos for 20 or 50. But they really wanted to try out an arrangement with a male, which neither has had much experience with. So, finally we set it up. Met halfway in the middle, as I am not able to take off for long periods given my current work situation (WFH) and having a family. Well, it was interesting. Obviously I have had threesomes as I frequent FKKs. But don't think I ever had a 3 some with a true lesbian couple. They were both so cute together, their love for each other is apparent. It was a bit awkward, and can't say the sex was the greatest, but now I can say I did it with a lesbian married couple. One off the bucket list (actually, this item was never on my bucket list to begin with, but now it is off the list).

The fourth one is the weirdest of all, and still very much ongoing. I think I mentioned before that I have had some luck in the past on Tinder. I renewed my Tinder subscription, anyway even the Platinum cost a very low amount. Disappointingly, Tinder looks worse than SA to me. Girls of my spec (less than 30, white, slender, good face) are numerous but almost all of them appear to be on Tinder to lure guys to their Insta, Snap profiles (just for kicks, to increase follower count, who knows. Or perhaps they want to sell them pics -- just like on SA). But this one Chinese lady connected with me; have*been talking to her nonstop for 2 weeks now. She is 28, looks very pretty from the multiple pics she sent me. From the discussions, she is quite well off. I have to keep reminding myself that I met her on Tinder and not SA, and not ask her by accident what her allowance expectation is and how many times she can meet in a week. My textapp (hushed) is not working with her phone and I had to give her my Whatsapp# (on WA, my profile pic has both me and my spouse). So, I turned off access to my profile pic to her before beginning to talk (I am using a fake photo on Tinder, just as I do on SA). For whatever reason, this Chinese woman has taken a liking for me; the conversation has been going really well. She is divorced, has a 4 year old son, and lives in a fancy part of the town not too far from my home. She is clearly looking for a boyfriend / future husband. She keeps bugging me for a photo. Or photos. I have been making all sorts of half jokes, self put downs, lame excuses but so far have not shared my photos with her. I have a sneaking suspicion she knows a couple of Asians in my office; not sure why, but some references to business issues, the trading business she is involved with which a couple of my colleagues are in too, some other issue. Not sure why but that is my sneaking suspicion. It would not be good for me whatsoever to have my identity blown with this one if she really indeed knows my colleagues. She has gotten so frustrated a couple of times that she threatened to block me but she comes back like a puppy. I feel sad about this. I feel this could have been a nice mistress, she doesn't even need a dime from me (her parents in China are both very well off and as usual, an only child), but I am thinking I need to block her to not cause her undue sadness as I can't see this progressing (my guess is, if I tell her I am married, she will block me right away).

I know some of this offends the righteous among you, but I couldn't care any less. I am a cheating bastard, but that's me; I could not care for any sanctimonious lectures from guys who are just like me anyway.

Steve 9696
11-03-21, 02:00
Thanks Pessimist for the great FR. Def seen you around the FKK threads. Didn't know you were dipping in the sugar bowl in the US. Sweet. As you know from my posts I'm a big believer. Super odd coincidence we both just had duos with lesbian lover couples.

I'the be wary of the Asian chick. It's amazing how some play the very long game with their rich family and work in trading. Suddenly you get some Bitcoin or other financial thing. Maybe not in this case but there is a sure pattern of this on SA and I was surprised how it was a lot of engagement before the scam move. Anyhow maybe not that. But radar up.

And no judgment here. LOVE the story where u fuck on the carpet with the baby in the next room. We should all be so lucky. It’s about life experiences as much as anything. That’s one for the books.

My recent adventures reinforced how much the relationship part matters to me. The sex with the couple was mind blowing. But damn Kayla is my GIRLFRIEND in every sense. I love to hang with her. And I love when we are apart just chatting. Hearing her roommate drama or she's just back from the gym of whatever. Just little stuff. But being connected to another (super hot!) human at a real level is a real draw. I'm def stuck deep in the sugar bowl!

Ps Dont worry fellas my experience with Valentina and real heartbreak has me with one eye always open. Plus still got Uma and (sorta) Sue at home to distract me from obsessing.

Pessimist
11-03-21, 02:56
Thanks Pessimist for the great FR. Def seen you around the FKK threads. Didn't know you were dipping in the sugar bowl in the US. Sweet. As you know from my posts I'm a big believer. Super odd coincidence we both just had duos with lesbian lover couples.

I'the be wary of the Asian chick. It's amazing how some play the very long game with their rich family and work in trading. Suddenly you get some Bitcoin or other financial thing. Maybe not in this case but there is a sure pattern of this on SA and I was surprised how it was a lot of engagement before the scam move. Anyhow maybe not that. But radar up.

And no judgment here. LOVE the story where u fuck on the carpet with the baby in the next room. We should all be so lucky. Its about life experiences as much as anything. Thats one for the books.

My recent adventures reinforced how much the relationship part matters to me. The sex with the couple was mind blowing. But damn Kayla is my GIRLFRIEND in every sense. I love to hang with her. And I love when we are apart just chatting. Hearing her roommate drama or she's just back from the gym of whatever. Just little stuff. But being connected to another (super hot!) human at a real level is a real draw. I'm def stuck deep in the sugar bowl!.Thanks Steve. Yes, I have been doing SA in the US for a bit more than 5 years now. Technically, got to subtract a year+ due to Covid in between but started in 2016. I don't post field reports, not my forte; do enjoy your reports, thanks. However, I did post quite a few comments in this thread on ISG, been a bit quiet of late. Sugarbabe chatting taking up most of my spare time haha.

The Chinese woman is interesting. BTW, it is not trading as in equity or investment trading; she is into a trading of a specific product line, she does the sales and distribution here and a couple of my Asian colleagues have talked about that business in the past; so I am wary. How many Chinese are in this city and what is the chance that a few of them are into sales and distribution of one particular product segment into China and they don't know each other? Also, they may be from the same province in China, based on what she said was the location of her parents. Anyway, it is not a risk worth taking for me. If I was not married (with a lot to lose), I would not care but I do because I am at that risk. Anyhow for folks like me, SA is more convenient. Business-like and transaction oriented, guy and gal both know what is expected, not too much wooing needed.

Steve 9696
11-03-21, 14:56
She checks on you when apart and says how's your day babe?

She barebacks you without a second thought.

She worships your balls like they are solid gold.

She says "I'm going to miss this dick" on your last night together.

She invites you to the swingers club.

She sends you fully naked tit squeezing videos and says she misses you.

She is always the last texter. Always.

She thanks you for any kindness offered (dinner, gifts, a ride, kind words, advice). Always.

Add to this list.

DoomBringer321
11-03-21, 17:21
Pitfalls in the game.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?585-General-Info&p=2618651&viewfull=1#post2618651.

Midwestern
11-04-21, 03:40
Why would any of us be offended by your report? It was awesome, and just as important, it was honest. Please keep reporting. I enjoyed reading your highlights.

Hope you do not mind some of my thoughts on your gals. I just like to join the conversation.

That is awesome that the 22 year old is going super well. Her specs (height and weight) sound right up my alley. I bet she is really beautful especially when she is not wearing makeup. But I think you got lucky with this one. For me, I stopped seeing anyone under 24 years old. I know others will bash on me for this. But I do not even like WGs that are under 24. Almost all of them treat me like the old guy they have to see every once in a while. I hate that feeling. And so, if you got one that is into you, then you are lucky and she is a keeper.

As for threesomes, those can be so hit or miss. Steve recently had an epic threesome. Sounds like you did too. I've only had one really good experience with it. Most of my other experiences with it has been so-so, and so now I do not do them anymore.

Finally, regarding the Chinese gal, there's a good chance that she wants to get married. I hate to generalize, or even sound slightly racist, but almost all Chinese women are strongly marriage minded.


I have not tuned into this site in a while. Don't think I ever posted a report either although I wrote a lot of comments. So, this is a first.

So, I had discontinued my SA subscription for a while when Covid hit. I think I mentioned that here. I renewed it a few months ago when they ran a membership sale.

At first it was slow, but over time again, new contacts built up. Have enjoyed a few sessions. A few highlights here:

My best girl has been this absolutely stunning face (to me, she is) brown haired girl but she has some blonde streaks now. 22 years old, 5'8", skinny, not more than 110 lbs.

The second is a Puerto Rican Latina.

There was a one off, which is worth mentioning. I began talking to this 23 year old blonde. She has pictures with her wife on SA, the other one is 22. Yes, they actually got married apparently.

The fourth one is the weirdest of all, and still very much ongoing. But this one Chinese lady connected with me; have*been talking to her nonstop for 2 weeks now. She is 28, looks very pretty from the multiple pics she sent me. From the discussions, she is quite well off.

I know some of this offends the righteous among you, but I couldn't care any less. I am a cheating bastard, but that's me; I could not care for any sanctimonious lectures from guys who are just like me anyway.

Midwestern
11-04-21, 04:01
I met her about 4 or 5 years ago. She is in her mid 40's! She's been married for about 25 years (yep, she got married when she was 20, and has a daughter that already graduated from college). She loves her husband. In fact, today, he has a day off, and so she took the day off too, to spend the day with him. But he has not kissed her in over a decade, she told me. And the last time she had sex, before me, was almost 10 years ago, and that was also an affair. So when we hooked up, I did not have to pay her a cent. She was just in it for the affection. She is hungry for affection. And so she just loves me fucking her, and she usually wants to do it longer than me.

But I now call this an arrangement rather than affair because in the past year, I started giving her money. She's from a rural part of China. And the pandemic lockdown nearly ruined their finances. They almost lost their home because they could barely pay their mortgage.

But I call it a great arrangement not just because of the great sex, but because we have our routine down pat. We meet, we shower, we fuck for an hour or two, and then we shower again and then we go our separate ways. We do not even talk, because I cannot speak Chinese. She never hassles me about anything. And, maybe best of all, she has no interest in wanting anything else other than what we already have. She does not want me texting her a lot, and she is totally about being discreet.

Lately, I have been seeing her about once per week. Every once in a while, I find a new great arrangement with a new person and I do not see SM for a while, but when those new arrangements eventually fall apart, I always go back to SM.

Pessimist
11-04-21, 15:22
Why would any of us be offended by your report? It was awesome, and just as important, it was honest. Please keep reporting. I enjoyed reading your highlights.

Hope you do not mind some of my thoughts on your gals. I just like to join the conversation.

That is awesome that the 22 year old is going super well. Her specs (height and weight) sound right up my alley. I bet she is really beautful especially when she is not wearing makeup. But I think you got lucky with this one. For me, I stopped seeing anyone under 24 years old. I know others will bash on me for this. But I do not even like WGs that are under 24. Almost all of them treat me like the old guy they have to see every once in a while. I hate that feeling. And so, if you got one that is into you, then you are lucky and she is a keeper.

As for threesomes, those can be so hit or miss. Steve recently had an epic threesome. Sounds like you did too. I've only had one really good experience with it. Most of my other experiences with it has been so-so, and so now I do not do them anymore.

Finally, regarding the Chinese gal, there's a good chance that she wants to get married. I hate to generalize, or even sound slightly racist, but almost all Chinese women are strongly marriage minded.Hi MW,

[Deleted by Admin]. The reality is that I could easily lie; I provide honest disclosures because this is an anonymous site and I don't like to lie about every small detail; it is bad enough that I am lying to my spouse which is the worst lie of all. Anyway, I think the folks on SA thread appear to be less judgmental and more sensible, so thank you for starting it.

As for your thoughts, I agree with everything you said. The first girl has depression issues, has been struggling with it for a long time. When she was on the site for nearly 4 years, at first she was just 18+, I felt ashamed to be hitting on such a young girl (I don't feel the same guilt fucking a 18 year old in the FKKs, not sure why this dichotomy in my mind). But she never felt me coming too hard at her. She would pop in every few weeks, sometimes months would pass by before she would come on the site, and the conversation was casual and brief. She opened up a bit more in the recent months, although her mental health issues have intensified. This does worry me. I need to keep this at arm's length because the danger is that this girl may go into deep blues if her heart is broken and I hope she does not develop attachments (she knows I am married). I was watching Click Bait on NFLX and suddenly I got scared in one of those middle episodes (the end clarifies it, so I was less scared, LOL). But yes, not too many SA girls are like this, most are more business like.

I think the lesbian 3 some was a one off. First the distance is too great. Secondly, they are in a real marriage. As Seinfeld found out, it is not easy to convert one from their team. They chose their team already LOL. I think they were curious, gave it a shot, didn't feel they were super thrilled to change their team. I am not a French lover, for god's sake, not that good. Anyway, it was interesting because it was w / a real couple. The 3 somes in FKKs are obviously mechanical; I never pay for them to do a lesbi show; pay them just to please me.

The Chinese woman keeps pestering me for my pics. She can't sleep I guess; every night, at 1 AM or 1:30 AM I have a "sweet dreams" message on my Whataspp and I am sound asleep by then. I started telling her that I am too old, etc but she seems to think I am some kinda mysterious guy now. This is so fucking weird because if I didn't have this suspicion that she may know my colleagues, I would be running to her as quickly as possible. Now, I will have to break this connection soon; it would be cruel to waste her time like this. She hasn't come out and asked me to meet for a date yet but she did ask "what are your plans tonight" "or the weather is lovely today, going out?" or asked about some local nice restaurants etc. It is becoming tough to fend her off with my lame stories.

She may be marriage minded. She asked me a couple of times if I am indeed American. I have some knowledge of Chinese businesses (we invest in Chinese stocks and other Asian stocks), and perhaps she had a suspicion I may be Chinese because she was surprised I knew about Evergrande problems or know of Colin Huang and Zhang Yiming etc. I am like you, hate being racist, but the question "are you American" implies she wans a marriage and eventually a greencard? I can't be in this situation. Too crazy for me.

Steve 9696
11-05-21, 01:52
Went out with Uma recently snd I am struck by how unusual she is. Sure. She likes to drink and fuck like any good twenty something (she just turned 26) and she's beautiful. But damn if she isn't smart as fuck. She's studying to be a doctor no lie. And you can just tell by the conversation. She is a super smart hot and confident black woman. It's really something to be with her.

NeilGeorge
11-05-21, 02:55
Went out with Uma recently... damn if she isn't smart as fuck. She's studying to be a doctor no lie. And you can just tell by the conversation. She is a super smart hot and confident black woman. It's really something to be with her.If she were smarter, she would not make her money on her back. She probably would be working in a clinic already.

Midwestern
11-05-21, 05:37
There are a bunch of judgmental idiots on the German FKK threads who get offended that I am a cheating bastard.

The first girl has depression issues, has been struggling with it for a long time.

I think the lesbian 3 some was a one off.

The Chinese woman keeps pestering me for my pics.

I have some knowledge of Chinese businesses (we invest in Chinese stocks and other Asian stocks).Man, I cannot believe there are guys on here that would criticize anyone for their life choices. I already know that I am a bad person, and I do not need some anonymous person reminding me of it.

Whoa, did not know that the 22 year old has depression. But if it's clinical depression, then you might be okay. I have dated a few gals that suffered from depression. In general, it is just life that makes them depressed, not relationships or failed relationships. But anyway, LOL, what do I know, as I am not a psychiartrist. Anyway, do not let her drag you down, obviously.

I actually met two gals on SA that were bipolar. I have never met anyone who was bipolar before, but suddenly I dated two from SA. During their highs, they were so super high that it was embarrasing to be around them, and during their lows, it was a real downer. Plus, they often cancelled dates at the last minute because they were down. I remember going a short trip with one of them. We were having a blast. But then, I had to run a short errand, which took only an hour, and when I came back, she was in bed because she suddenly swung to the down side. She said she wanted to just lay in bed for the rest of the evening. This was around 7 pm! I had rented a Mercedes, booked us a 5 star hotel, and we were located right in the middle of a great night scene, but we end up watching TV in bed, not even going out for dinner. A totally wasted trip. Yes, I realize that I should feel sympathy for her, but like I said, I know that I am a bad person.

The funny thing about lesbians is that some of them love sucking cock and fucking. I know a WG who is a lesbian. She just loves sucking my cock, and she loves me fucking her, especially hard. I keep asking her if she is sure she is a lesbian, and she said she is definitely a lesbian. She says she finds men to be disgusting and ugly, but yet she loves cock. There are some girls that are bisexual, but I think they are really lesbians but love cock. I met of few of them too. I know this all sounds stupid. It sounds stupid to me too as I am typing this, LOL.

Yeah, you're smart to avoid the Chinese gal. Again, I hate to generalize, but the Chinese in the states tend to be pretty tight knit, and so there's a good chance that you guys know the same Chinese people.

Funny that you mentioned Evergrande, Colin Huang, etc. I am also an active investor and trader of Chinese stocks and other Asian stocks. I recently took a large position in EDU, thinking that it might double in a couple of years. I also have shares of PDD, which might be a mistake. I dumped my TCEHY, BABA, and JD. Their earnings calls are coming up, and we will soon see what they are made of. What Chinese stocks do you own?

Midwestern
11-05-21, 05:45
Went out with Uma recently snd I am struck by how unusual she is. Sure. She likes to drink and fuck like any good twenty something (she just turned 26) and she's beautiful. But damn if she isn't smart as fuck. She's studying to be a doctor no lie. And you can just tell by the conversation. She is a super smart hot and confident black woman. It's really something to be with her.I met a few unicorns on SA too. I asked them why they were on SA. One of them said that she loved going out, and she loved having sex. And so, she said that if she can also get paid for having fun and having great sex, then it seemed like a no brainer to be on SA. She used to be active on Tinder, but then she realized that she could be on SA doing the exact same thing but also getting paid. Smart gal, that one.

Ruch888
11-05-21, 09:07
Hey all,

Been a silent reader of the forum Steve has been off great help on PM so shoutout for that. I am from India and increasingly facing difficulties to renew my subscription as Seeking is classified as a non trustworthy site with many of India's leading Banks and my payments are getting declined. I am an iOS person so can't use the Google pay tokens as well. Would someone kindly help or guide me as to how they have got this issue sorted? If someone can help me with the subscription happy to PayPal them the amount as well.

Cheers.

Ruch888.

Steve 9696
11-05-21, 13:54
I met a few unicorns on SA too. I asked them why they were on SA. One of them said that she loved going out, and she loved having sex. And so, she said that if she can also get paid for having fun and having great sex, then it seemed like a no brainer to be on SA. She used to be active on Tinder, but then she realized that she could be on SA doing the exact same thing but also getting paid. Smart gal, that one.Yeah exactly. Since when was having a nice evening out, some great sex, and walking away richer a bad thing? Well I guess always in western society but fuck that! And I guess that's why Uma would add in "and it's kinda naughty which I love". But seriously why is this wrong in any way? It's not! Fuck the Puritans.

I forgot which famous author said that Puritanism is that sneaking suspicion that somewhere someone may be having fun! LOL. So true!

Are some things bad behavior? Imo going bareback and then fucking your wife bareback is some not great behavior because you might spill over your private life into her life in a very bad way. But if she's stopped having sex, stopped being affectionate, let herself get fat and unattractive how exactly are you the bad guy? I have no guilt around "stepping out". I am not a bad guy. In fact just the opposite. But the wife often puts the husband in an impossible spot. Imo the guy is often not to blame here.

Pessimist
11-05-21, 14:28
Man, I cannot believe there are guys on here that would criticize anyone for their life choices. I already know that I am a bad person, and I do not need some anonymous person reminding me of it.

Whoa, did not know that the 22 year old has depression. But if it's clinical depression, then you might be okay. I have dated a few gals that suffered from depression. In general, it is just life that makes them depressed, not relationships or failed relationships. But anyway, LOL, what do I know, as I am not a psychiartrist. Anyway, do not let her drag you down, obviously.

I actually met two gals on SA that were bipolar. I have never met anyone who was bipolar before, but suddenly I dated two from SA. During their highs, they were so super high that it was embarrasing to be around them, and during their lows, it was a real downer. Plus, they often cancelled dates at the last minute because they were down. I remember going a short trip with one of them. We were having a blast. But then, I had to run a short errand, which took only an hour, and when I came back, she was in bed because she suddenly swung to the down side. She said she wanted to just lay in bed for the rest of the evening. This was around 7 pm! I had rented a Mercedes, booked us a 5 star hotel, and we were located right in the middle of a great night scene, but we end up watching TV in bed, not even going out for dinner. A totally wasted trip. Yes, I realize that I should feel sympathy for her, but like I said, I know that I am a bad person.

The funny thing about lesbians is that some of them love sucking cock and fucking. I know a WG who is a lesbian. She just loves sucking my cock, and she loves me fucking her, especially hard. I keep asking her if she is sure she is a lesbian, and she said she is definitely a lesbian. She says she finds men to be disgusting and ugly, but yet she loves cock. There are some girls that are bisexual, but I think they are really lesbians but love cock. I met of few of them too. I know this all sounds stupid. It sounds stupid to me too as I am typing this, LOL.Thank you MW, you are obviously much more mature and also kind relative to some doofuses on the German threads. Yes, you are right; I have some experience in my extended family with clinical and adolescent depression. It can be tough. This girl is not bipolar, thank goodness. She is super sweet and shy; the first time we went for dinner, she apologetically asked if it was OK with me if she ordered a dessert. But she does ghost a lot. She warned me early on that she would do that when she goes into her blues. It took a lot of effort and time to convince her to go out to meet me in person. I have had more canceled dates with this one than any other in recent years I can recall but she has been worth it.

If you have not watched Clickbait, I recommend it. You will know what I meant by getting scared.

I hope you bought EDU and other education stocks after the crash and were not caught in the downdraft. China is a tough story this year, as far as stocks go. If the Xi regime is not hell bent on destroying capitalism nor shareholder rights, Chinese stocks appear attractive. But no one knows how the CCP is thinking. Yes, the big name ecommerce stories like JD, BABA, Pinduoduo, and media names like Tencent and many others appear cheap relative to our Amazons and Google / Facebook, other.

The thing is that I don't live in SF or a place like that with a massive Asian population. So, the chance of them knowing each other may be high. Also, I get the feeling matters like this may be discussed more? In their community, perhaps I am being paranoid. * If I screw over a White girl, there is less chance of her tattletaling about me to every white person she knows, at least that is a breed I know.

Akibono
11-06-21, 07:04
Yeah exactly. Since when was having a nice evening out, some great sex, and walking away richer a bad thing? Well I guess always in western society but fuck that! And I guess that's why Uma would add in "and it's kinda naughty which I love". But seriously why is this wrong in any way? It's not! Fuck the Puritans.

I forgot which famous author said that Puritanism is that sneaking suspicion that somewhere someone may be having fun! LOL. So true!

Are some things bad behavior? Imo going bareback and then fucking your wife bareback is some not great behavior because you might spill over your private life into her life in a very bad way. But if she's stopped having sex, stopped being affectionate, let herself get fat and unattractive how exactly are you the bad guy? I have no guilt around "stepping out". I am not a bad guy. In fact just the opposite. But the wife often puts the husband in an impossible spot. Imo the guy is often not to blame here.I'm not judging you or anyone here. I'm no saint, but I know a few guys that were players before they were married and fully intended to continue being a player. That is a stickier issue.

That being said, you would think that some smart girls would figure out that sex can actually be good outside of marriage. We are constantly told that it is dangerous. Diseases! Murderers! Rapists! Bill Cosby! The exploitive modeling industry! That scares many from even considering sex outside of a relationship. Yes, it is driven by Puritans, but also other ethnic / religious groups. The Muslims are scared to death of their girls "dating. " Indians are slowing coming around on PDAs. I find the live streams and videos to be game changers. Things have come a long way. There is one problem. It's the athletes curse. When you are young, you tend to be dumb, but overconfident. Therefore, it is easy to make mistakes. You get used to the quick money and you start having a lifestyle that is way beyond your means. That leads to trouble. Never a good idea to be hooked on luxury you cannot afford.

Akibono
11-06-21, 07:19
Pessimist,

I have read those guys. Try not to bring them over. They are young and brag constantly about banging only 10's and that sort of male BS. They contribute nothing, are quite insecure, and probably can barely afford the hobby. I salute the people with the open mind. Sex in any form can be great. It is about experiencing emotions in various form, usually pleasurable. It really does not matter what someone else thinks if it is good for you. I have had one too many session with a good looking bomb to find her lying there with a bored look on her face. Nothing kills the mood faster. On the other hand, the girl that lets you control the timing and does many things with enthusiasm can be a stunning session. Nothing is as good as a gal that is revving you up because she wants a good fuck and enjoys getting you going. It's usually epic.

Pessimist
11-06-21, 16:17
I met a new girl yesterday. I had been talking to her for 5 to 6 weeks now. We were supposed to meet up for sex 3 weeks ago but she canceled at the last minute. This was our first meet. Met up for light brunch and went to a motel nearby, had sex, and left. Altogether, she stayed with me for 3 1/2 hours, 2 hours of which was making out and sex in the room. I gave her $300. She is white, 22, pretty face, very small tits but really tight bod, 5'4", blonde, smelled really nice, DATY was a delight and pussy was clean and fresh, even her ass was very clean; her BJ was atrocious, did not do BLS, kissing was light. She is a junior at the local Uni, switched majors to business. I realized she is in the class taught by one of my acquaintances but kept it to myself. She is an experienced sugar babe. Her first arrangement was at 19. She is somewhat estranged from her parents (divorced) and supporting herself totally including her tuition, working 25 hours a week in addition to college. I now read that most of the Sharks girls are demanding 150 E for an hour; on that basis, what I received from this girl on a per hour basis far exceeds what you get in Sharks now, and I did not have to spend thousands on airfare and hotels and taking weeks off.

I doubt I will repeat w / this girl too many times. May be a session here and there but she will not be my regular girl. For one thing, I am getting more and more drawn to my depressed girl. She feels very vulnerable; I am spending hours just chatting and texting with her, helping her get through the days. Depression is a terrible thing, sometimes she can't get out of the bed, sometimes she just sits there and cries for no reason, she eats nothing on some days. I need to stop myself from falling for her, which is an absurd situation for me w / wife and kids; however, I can't lie that this girl feels vulnerable and I am trying to help as much as I can. The time and budget allocation to her is leaving limited amount to others. Normally I am a cold calculating slimebag but she feels fragile and vulnerable and feeling a bit sad for her.

Also, with work from home still in place, it is not so easy to get away from home w / o rousing suspicion. Every outing away from home for a few hours is a precious opportunity.

Suddenly the seeking.com spigot has opened up like a fountain. When I re-subscribed a few months ago, it was a slow start. All of a sudden, in the last 2 weeks, I have offers of alone time from several very attractive girls in the 200-250 range even. With 300, in my area, you can pretty get any one you want now, it seems. These are white, slim girls w / pretty faces in the 18-25 age range. If I could find time, I would meet up with all of them. So, the main challenge right now is finding time away from home.

I wonder if the stopping of the benefits in early September had an impact. Feels like many girls are more broke now and more desperate. However jobs are plentiful; perhaps they got too lazy from receiving free federal benefits for 18 months.

Steve 9696
11-07-21, 02:50
Even tho I am always researching and always trying to find the next big thing, having the SA Rolodex is an amazing thing once you build it. I was just realizing that there are five cities I can travel to and have a girl ready to see me. No stress, no BS. Just tell her I will be in town and let's linkup.

Just happened on an upcoming trip. Struggling to find something new. Decided to just hit up my Rolodex and boom! Got a date with a hottie without breaking a sweat. If you invest you WILL be paid back.

Steve 9696
11-07-21, 13:20
I met a new girl yesterday. I had been talking to her for 5 to 6 weeks now. We were supposed to meet up for sex 3 weeks ago but she canceled at the last minute. This was our first meet. Met up for light brunch and went to a motel nearby, had sex, and left. Altogether, she stayed with me for 3 1/2 hours, 2 hours of which was making out and sex in the room. I gave her $300. She is white, 22, pretty face, very small tits but really tight bod, 5'4", blonde, smelled really nice, DATY was a delight and pussy was clean and fresh, even her ass was very clean; her BJ was atrocious, did not do BLS, kissing was light. She is a junior at the local Uni, switched majors to business. I realized she is in the class taught by one of my acquaintances but kept it to myself. She is an experienced sugar babe. Her first arrangement was at 19. She is somewhat estranged from her parents (divorced) and supporting herself totally including her tuition, working 25 hours a week in addition to college. I now read that most of the Sharks girls are demanding 150 E for an hour; on that basis, what I received from this girl on a per hour basis far exceeds what you get in Sharks now, and I did not have to spend thousands on airfare and hotels and taking weeks off.

I doubt I will repeat w / this girl too many times. May be a session here and there but she will not be my regular girl. For one thing, I am getting more and more drawn to my depressed girl. She feels very vulnerable; I am spending hours just chatting and texting with her, helping her get through the days. Depression is a terrible thing, sometimes she can't get out of the bed, sometimes she just sits there and cries for no reason, she eats nothing on some days. I need to stop myself from falling for her, which is an absurd situation for me w / wife and kids; however, I can't lie that this girl feels vulnerable and I am trying to help as much as I can. The time and budget allocation to her is leaving limited amount to others. Normally I am a cold calculating slimebag but she feels fragile and vulnerable and feeling a bit sad for her.

Also, with work from home still in place, it is not so easy to get away from home w / o rousing suspicion. Every outing away from home for a few hours is a precious opportunity.

Suddenly the seeking.com spigot has opened up like a fountain. When I re-subscribed a few months ago, it was a slow start. All of a sudden, in the last 2 weeks, I have offers of alone time from several very attractive girls in the 200-250 range even. With 300, in my area, you can pretty get any one you want now, it seems. These are white, slim girls w / pretty faces in the 18-25 age range. If I could find time, I would meet up with all of them. So, the main challenge right now is finding time away from home.

I wonder if the stopping of the benefits in early September had an impact. Feels like many girls are more broke now and more desperate. However jobs are plentiful; perhaps they got too lazy from receiving free federal benefits for 18 months.Damn I just love it when someone really GETS the draw of SA. I know you were at it casually for a while but then you pull some gems and bam it's addictive. I actually like the whole SA date and real world experience better than the simulated stuff at FKK and escorts. Never thought I'the say this but other than the expense I like the USA scene as well as anywhere. I am going to officially stop calling it pussy prison because it no longer is!

Def understand how you caught feelings for the depressed girl. Just remember that you can't likely help her for real so don't go too deep. She's got real issues you can't fix and you both could get hurt if it becomes too real. P.S. If you haven't seen the YouTube video "It's Not the Nail" you should watch it. Its Laugh out loud funny but It's so true. I caught myself problem solving with Kayla the other day snd that's not what women actually want (sure you know this).

And on your terrible BJ I am sure you are used to the experts at FKK. Don't be afraid to train her up. I've trained up Alexa and Layla and a few others. Just a "can you lick and suck down here" or later "can I show up something I like" and show her harmonica. I've never had a girl balk and these girls now give top notch ten out of ten BJs. Their future husbands should thank me!

Best of luck!

Oneminuteboy
11-07-21, 14:22
I had lined up a few SB for Lisbon but sadly all except 1 fell through.

Reached out to all of them 1-2 months ago. Didn't really keep in touch but they knew I was coming. I did this because last year I cancelled at the last minute.

Once arrived at the airport to fly I reached out to all the girls in my Lisbon rolodex. 4 never responded. 1 wasn't in Lisbon and managed to set something up with 2.

First girl was Portuguese, 24. Seemed to have a nice body. Nice face. Fee 300. She would be my company for the evening. But at the time of meeting up she was a no show.

I put in a safety plan and ordered a WG, that went wrong as well.

The second girl I met looked similar to the first. Fee 250. I opted to play it safe and asked her to meet me during the day. She was interested in keeping things private so she only came to my hotel.

Talked, ordered some room service and while waiting started warming each other up. Food and drinks came.

The sex wasn't spectacular especially after I had a hottie from Elefante Branco. But the connection we had was nice. Think I'll keep in touch if I don't find better ones.

Both just finished with their degrees but had trouble finding jobs.

Pessimist
11-07-21, 18:02
Thanks very much Steve. My association with SA goes back to early / mid 2016. I paid subscription all through 4 years till 2020; resubscribed in late August after I got my shots. I used to write about Seeking and Sugar babes in the German threads, before MW started this thread which I didn't discover till later. Perhaps you mentioned SA thread in German threads and I realized about the existence of this. There was a German gentleman called Bfsie who was also using sugarbabes in Germany and we discussed sugardating in the FKK lounge section. Writing field reports is not my forte; I never wrote those trip*reports in the FKK threads either. More of an "add to the discussion" type guy here.

I think it is accurate to characterize my use of SA as casual. Part of that is that I used to make 5 or even 6 trips to DE annually which are heavy, volume based usage trips. Before and after each trip, I am satiated or saving up and not in a rush to get back into the SB scene. Secondly, by far the biggest constraint for me is to conduct these amorous activities in a clandestine fashion. It is not even about hiding; it is about not even raising the smallest hint of suspicion. Browsing the site, talking to dozens of girls, texting, arranging meetings, being away for hours, hiding the money tracks which is not easy given that we have a joint account of everything we own, etc etc is not an easy task. I feel like I am playing w / fire sometimes but so far I have managed it. In that sense, my constraints and priorities are quite uncommon.

Also, I never built deep relationships with sugarbabes. In all these years, I might have had sessioned with 70+ sugarbabes but nearly half of them were one or two session girls. In a sense, the SB scene worked for me as an extension of the FKK usage model. In a club, I don't repeat with the same girl again and again unlike some mongers do. I am more of a "spread the oats wide, not deep" type dude. I mean, I am already married. I am straying. I am looking for a physical outlet. What is the attraction in building alternate relationships? There are half a dozen sugarbabes who I repeated more than a handful of times, that's it.

I don't think the girls, at least the girls I meet, are in a rush to get into longer, deeper arrangements / relationships. Perhaps they can sense I have some sort of coolness / aloofness? I tell them I am married, which also removes any sort of illusion that it can become something more. I pull back when it starts becoming too intense, too frequent. I am slow in responding, I intentionally ghost them for days if a girl appears to be becoming too close. They get the hint.

Also, the girls I meet do move around a lot. Many are using text apps for privacy reasons as I do, and they change those numbers somewhat regularly. For example, if I discontinue my hushed subscription (which I did, along with my SA subscription), when I rejoined hushed, I have a new number now. If I reach out to any previous girls, I have to reintroduce myself, send a pic, etc. Also, I focus on the younger populations (less than 25) and that group does tend to move around a lot. Many are students at local Univ / colleges and move out after graduation, or some other financial obstacle. My rolodex in that sense, is of some but limited use. I rarely met girls that I have not seen in 18+ months. And also, I have no desire to meet up girls from 4 or 5 years ago. They might not be so attractive, they are definitely older, why bother. My entire reason to be on this site is sex and physical activity. I don't want to share life stories with them.

You are right about the US not being a sex prison. Mongerer88 has made this point repeatedly. One reviewer just wrote a report in Sharks thread that he had one single session in the club which came to 215 Euro together with the entry fee for one hour session. Yes, I had to pay for the motel myself, but the cost / hour ratio*worked out so much better for me. Also, sex with a native English speaking girl is so much more satisfying and real than with a Romie that approaches you with "baby, what you make", although I truly miss and love the FKK ambience and the 100 naked chicks on the prowl.

You have a good point about training these girls, and if I repeat with this girl I might, but not sure how much I want to keep seeing her. As I said, the SA spigot truly opened up; I have never had this many offers of alone time for less than 300; they are all attractive girls. I definitely want to see some of them, plus the depressed girl is taking up half the Oxygen out of the room.

Steve 9696
11-07-21, 20:56
Yeah Pessimist you might be onto something here with subsidies dying out. Kayla is expensive at 500 but in a big city and worth every penny. Recently tho last couple local girls have been quick to say yes to 300. And my recent out of town duo they were 500 for both together. I thought maybe because they are black they feel like they need to charge less (had a black girl tell me this once).

But my recent rekindle in a city I am going to is white. Saw her last in 2019 and we were at 300 tho she had pushed hard for 400. This time she says "will 300 be ok?" Like she's thinking that is high. I have a shit ton of money so I don't try to negotiate too hard and said sure. But def feel like price on SA is having downward pressure.

ExExpatriate
11-07-21, 21:34
So, Nina. She has worked in a couple of nuru spas on the outskirts of Lisbon, and is currently an independent in Amadora. The photos on the link are from about 4 years ago, when she had ads on docemassagem, but they are still accurate (excepting the tats, which are airbrushed out).

https://www.classificadosx.net/pt/anuncio/166-massagens-lisboa/41681-nin-massagista-sensual-9268993

From the neck up, she is a normal Portuguese woman of 45. From the neck down, she is a petite girl of 23 with a boob job that suits her perfectly. She is professional rather than passionate, but a very solid professional, and her nuru massage includes option for oral (no cover) and convivo.

Best of all, 100/ h, which makes up for the ride out to see her.

NapataJohn
11-07-21, 21:57
Pessimist you and Steve write so well about the Pros and Cons of SA.

I stay in Florida near Tampa and have been seeing girls off SA. Usually white but some Latinas and mixed too.

The prices range from 300 to 550 for about 3 hours. For the lower end ones who do not drive I provide Uber up and down.

I have used SA for about 5 years too and used it in Dallas And LA.

Dallas the range was between 400 to 450 but here in FL it varies more depending on the need for money urgently for the girl.

Elvis 2008
11-08-21, 02:00
I think it is accurate to characterize my use of SA as casual. Part of that is that I used to make 5 or even 6 trips to DE annually which are heavy, volume based usage trips. Before and after each trip, I am satiated or saving up and not in a rush to get back into the SB scene. Secondly, by far the biggest constraint for me is to conduct these amorous activities in a clandestine fashion. It is not even about hiding; it is about not even raising the smallest hint of suspicion. Browsing the site, talking to dozens of girls, texting, arranging meetings, being away for hours, hiding the money tracks which is not easy given that we have a joint account of everything we own, etc etc is not an easy task. I feel like I am playing w / fire sometimes but so far I have managed it. In that sense, my constraints and priorities are quite uncommon.Pessimist, I did the same thing as you, and you are probably like you can handle this stress, this playing with fire. I am not judging you, but this was stressful, and I felt if I was caught, I would be shamed. It sounds like you are doing this partly out of boredom and for the rush, but I think part of it might be to escape shame at least that is the way it was with me.

And when you snapped at those morons who called you a cheater, that told me that you are kind of carrying a lot of shame with you because it is the same response I would have given.


I am straying. I am looking for a physical outlet. What is the attraction in building alternate relationships? There are half a dozen sugarbabes who I repeated more than a handful of times, that's it. I definitely want to see some of them, plus the depressed girl is taking up half the Oxygen out of the room.If you are looking for a physical outlet, why are you hanging out with this depressed chick? Isn't the real reason if you save her from her depression, your self-worth will go up and give your ego a boost? And do you need the ego boost because of all that shame?

I want people to have a blast when they hobby but when people use it as therapy, that is a bad trip. I know. I have been there.

As for sugar babies, the reason I used them is the sex was better but in most cases, the women would slack off, and I would dump them. One woman told me, "those bitches will always be there", and she was right. It was rare I ever missed a SB after I dumped them.

Thing is when I went through the SB relationships, I realized if my wife was a SB, I would have dumped her.

I never should have used the hobby as therapy, and I have no regrets in the sense that it prolonged the marriage, but I regret that I used the hobby as therapy versus seeing a therapist. I would have been much less stressed and much happier sooner, but it was expensive and addictive and for all the wrong reasons.

Fucking other women or getting a divorce were my only two real options. My ex did not give me head for 10 years, and the reason for this was "your dick tastes funny. You need to wash it better." So she does not do her fucking wifely duties, and she blames me and I was paying for all the expenses. This is what so many women do. They replace effort with shame.

I asked other women about it and they said my dick was fine, and it was a great feeling when we got a divorce for me to tell her that one reason I strayed was not getting head. She repeated the funny tasting dick line, and I said, "That is funny. The other hundred women who sucked it did not seem to mind. "

In fact, of all the things that bugged her, this bugged her the most, and it shut off almost all sympathy for her especially from men. If you want an excuse for cheating that is PC, this is the ticket.

I regret putting women on pedestals and paying for shitty sex, but I do not regret paying for or having great sex. As much as I have, and I have had a lot, I wish I had more great sex. There are so many PC answers to give (helping others, my children) about the best parts of someone's life but probably the most fun in my life and what motivated me so much to do better was the fun of finding hotties to fuck.

And I do regret getting women as therapy, and Pessimist I just wanted to warn you not judge you. I apologize to the board for this serious intrusion but there is literally nowhere else for guys to talk about this.

Pessimist
11-08-21, 02:53
Pessimist, I did the same thing as you, and you are probably like you can handle this stress, this playing with fire. I am not judging you, but this was stressful, and I felt if I was caught, I would be shamed. It sounds like you are doing this partly out of boredom and for the rush, but I think part of it might be to escape shame at least that is the way it was with me.

And when you snapped at those morons who called you a cheater, that told me that you are kind of carrying a lot of shame with you because it is the same response I would have given.

If you are looking for a physical outlet, why are you hanging out with this depressed chick? Isn't the real reason if you save her from her depression, your self-worth will go up and give your ego a boost? And do you need the ego boost because of all that shame?

I want people to have a blast when they hobby but when people use it as therapy, that is a bad trip. I know. I have been there.

As for sugar babies, the reason I used them is the sex was better but in most cases, the women would slack off, and I would dump them. One woman told me, "those bitches will always be there", and she was right. It was rare I ever missed a SB after I dumped them..Hey Elvis,

Thanks for your thoughts. I am not trying to rescue the depressed chick. Yes, I am texting to her more than my normal. With most sugarbabes, there is a good amount of chat (either inside SA box, or on the phone) prior to the first sex session. After that, it is strictly "when shall we meet. OK that works for me. See you then at this place X", bye". For example, with this college chick I banged 2 days ago, I haven't exchanged any texts since then, and don't plan to, till the next time we try to meet. But the depressed chick is needing more pep talk and I am just trying to cheer her up. Partly because I have seen this in my extended family first hand and feel sorry for her. But my brain is still functional and I have not given her any extra money out of pity. If I extend my pep talk help to wallet help, you can call me crazy and that would be justified.

"when you snapped at those morons who called you a cheater, that told me that you are kind of carrying a lot of shame" - I don't know if I agree. I personally don't feel any shame. I am somewhat thin skinned in general and don't hold my tongue when someone needlessly attacks me. But like many mongers, I don't feel that fucking multiple girls is a bad thing morally or any other way, and no, I don't feel any shame whatsoever. But for practical reasons, I obviously want to keep this side of my life from people around me or work colleagues.

Midwestern
11-08-21, 02:56
I think there are 3 types of SBs and WGs.

(1) The ones who are young, hot, do not want to work hard, just want to make easy money and have fun.

(2) The ones who made the wrong choices in life. They use drugs, or picked a useless major in college, etc.

(3) The ones who ended up into a horrible situation. Their parents were losers or parents were drug users, or parents were uneducated, or they are from peasant families or just dirt poor, or maybe the husband is a deadbeat, or maybe they are a single mom, or maybe they suffer from a mental disease, etc.

I have no issues banging the chicks in the (1) and (2) categories.

However, I admire and feel sorry for the ones in the (3) category. And this is where I feel like a bad person. Because do they want to spread their legs to a stranger in his 50's? And so, I try to be generous with them, and sometimes I will help them out just without even meeting them. During the pandemic lockdown, I gave money to two gals that were desperate financially. Maybe I did it just to feel better about myself.

Sorry to be a downer. Just wanted to share this perspective to see what you guys think. I am sure some will emphathize with me and some will criticize me.

Pessimist
11-08-21, 02:57
If you are looking for a physical outlet, why are you hanging out with this depressed chick? Isn't the real reason if you save her from her depression, your self-worth will go up and give your ego a boost? And do you need the ego boost because of all that shame?.Sorry, didn't answer your question. The main reason is that she is super gorgeous to me and I like the GFE sex with her very much. If she was an average looker, I would still feel sorry for her and would wish her the best, but would not spending a lot of time texting to cheer her up. I am not a saint, for sure.

Pessimist
11-08-21, 03:00
Pessimist you and Steve write so well about the Pros and Cons of SA.

I stay in Florida near Tampa and have been seeing girls off SA. Usually white but some Latinas and mixed too.

The prices range from 300 to 550 for about 3 hours. For the lower end ones who do not drive I provide Uber up and down.

I have used SA for about 5 years too and used it in Dallas And LA.

Dallas the range was between 400 to 450 but here in FL it varies more depending on the need for money urgently for the girl.I had some luck in the past in Tampa and Miami area. I am a bit surprised at your price ranges because even as a non Floridian who visited that area occasionally, I had good success at the 300 price point with good looking white girls. How many girls do you hit up? I'd say, be persistent. You may not close the deal with the hot chicks in the first try but sometimes they come around.

Mongerer88
11-08-21, 13:56
I think you are ignoring a broad category that makes up a large percentage of the high-end escorts and Sugar Babies in large cities in the USA And some cities in Europe. The part-time lady who is actually majoring in a difficult subject at an expensive university, or has a pretty good (but not great) job in a very expensive to live-in city like NYC, and / or started in the first category and is disappointed with how low entry-level pay is in comparison to student loan debt in many professions (this lady won't start escorting or sugaring at that point in time, but if she did it in college she will still see her regulars). There are cities where the cost of living, particularly when education is factored in, are enormously expensive to live in, and very well-adjusted ladies do high-end sex work to keep from living in relative poverty and having to share space with lots of other girls, or beg from family.


I think there are 3 types of SBs and WGs.

(1) The ones who are young, hot, do not want to work hard, just want to make easy money and have fun.

(2) The ones who made the wrong choices in life. They use drugs, or picked a useless major in college, etc.

(3) The ones who ended up into a horrible situation. Their parents were losers or parents were drug users, or parents were uneducated, or they are from peasant families or just dirt poor, or maybe the husband is a deadbeat, or maybe they are a single mom, or maybe they suffer from a mental disease, etc.

I have no issues banging the chicks in the (1) and (2) categories.

However, I admire and feel sorry for the ones in the (3) category. And this is where I feel like a bad person. Because do they want to spread their legs to a stranger in his 50's? And so, I try to be generous with them, and sometimes I will help them out just without even meeting them. During the pandemic lockdown, I gave money to two gals that were desperate financially. Maybe I did it just to feel better about myself..

Pessimist
11-08-21, 18:32
I think you are ignoring a broad category that makes up a large percentage of the high-end escorts and Sugar Babies in large cities in the USA And some cities in Europe. The part-time lady who is actually majoring in a difficult subject at an expensive university, or has a pretty good (but not great) job in a very expensive to live-in city like NYC, and / or started in the first category and is disappointed with how low entry-level pay is in comparison to student loan debt in many professions (this lady won't start escorting or sugaring at that point in time, but if she did it in college she will still see her regulars). There are cities where the cost of living, particularly when education is factored in, are enormously expensive to live in, and very well-adjusted ladies do high-end sex work to keep from living in relative poverty and having to share space with lots of other girls, or beg from family.Honestly, just on the SA site alone, I met so many categories. Their stories are different, their reasons to be here are different. It is not so easy to put all these people into a few boxes, anymore than you can put all the mongers into 3 boxes. And I generally limit myself to less than 25, white / Latina, slim bodied girls. On SA, you find ladies into their 50's and 60's. Of all shapes, sizes, hues, etc. The college girl I met works hard, is supporting herself and funding own college, and estranged from parents. The Latina momma works and making some money on the side to augment income. The lesbians both work, didn't even need the money tbh, and were curious. I was offered a visual show by a IR couple with an option to participate for an extra 150. I don't know their financial situation or reasons. The depressed chick is neither destitute nor lazy, she just has issues. There is a flight attendant I was talking to who often has night stays and extended stays in Orlando and wants to hook up for fun and also make some spending money. The stories go on and on.

Also, more than half of all sugarbabes on the site are strictly platonic, and many of them are strictly online. I don't even talk to them as soon as I realize their angle. They may have their own stories and reasons to be on the site, which may be completely different from what I know.

The good thing about the site is it brings them together, lets them make their own private deals. As it should be.

SfoCowboy
11-08-21, 18:36
I had an SB for over an year. A student who didn't want to take money from her parents. We had a ball for over an year but she ended up in a very good job post that. She is a good friend now and appreciates my 'help' when she needed it. A very rare trait. Not greedy at all. I've moved to a different country now. But whenever I visit sf she spends a good amount of time with me and she doesn't take any allowance. This is an investment that paid off.


I think there are 3 types of SBs and WGs.

(1) The ones who are young, hot, do not want to work hard, just want to make easy money and have fun.

(2) The ones who made the wrong choices in life. They use drugs, or picked a useless major in college, etc.

(3) The ones who ended up into a horrible situation. Their parents were losers or parents were drug users, or parents were uneducated, or they are from peasant families or just dirt poor, or maybe the husband is a deadbeat, or maybe they are a single mom, or maybe they suffer from a mental disease, etc.

I have no issues banging the chicks in the (1) and (2) categories.

However, I admire and feel sorry for the ones in the (3) category. And this is where I feel like a bad person. Because do they want to spread their legs to a stranger in his 50's? And so, I try to be generous with them, and sometimes I will help them out just without even meeting them. During the pandemic lockdown, I gave money to two gals that were desperate financially. Maybe I did it just to feel better about myself.

Sorry to be a downer. Just wanted to share this perspective to see what you guys think. I am sure some will emphathize with me and some will criticize me.

Steve 9696
11-08-21, 18:41
I think you are ignoring a broad category that makes up a large percentage of the high-end escorts and Sugar Babies in large cities in the USA And some cities in Europe. The part-time lady who is actually majoring in a difficult subject at an expensive university, or has a pretty good (but not great) job in a very expensive to live-in city like NYC, and / or started in the first category and is disappointed with how low entry-level pay is in comparison to student loan debt in many professions (this lady won't start escorting or sugaring at that point in time, but if she did it in college she will still see her regulars). There are cities where the cost of living, particularly when education is factored in, are enormously expensive to live in, and very well-adjusted ladies do high-end sex work to keep from living in relative poverty and having to share space with lots of other girls, or beg from family.Yep. I'the say I like this category best. Four of my last five babies fall in this category. Sharp girls with real jobs or school but need extra income to live at some reasonable level. And I'the say 3 of the 5 (all black fwiw) are super sex positive. Like sex is awesome and why not have as much as possible. May as well make a buck while doing it. Smart modern girls. I really do dig them and in some way even admire them.

The Cane
11-08-21, 18:54
Yep. I'the say I like this category best. Four of my last five babies fall in this category. Sharp girls with real jobs or school but need extra income to live at some reasonable level. And I'the say 3 of the 5 (all black fwiw) are super sex positive. Like sex is awesome and why not have as much as possible. May as well make a buck while doing it. Smart modern girls. I really do dig them and in some way even admire them.Steve,

You know I like the white girls and the Latinas. So tell me. Really, what is the percentage of those types on SA looking for daddies? I know you don't care for the "brancas", but you should at least have firsthand knowledge of how many are looking in a place like SA (or similar). Was funny because I was out at a bar the other night and there were some white college girls there telling me I was "hot", and one said "there goes my baby's daddy" hahaha! If I ever choose to go down this path, that's what I would want. White and Latina college girls only!

NapataJohn
11-08-21, 21:08
Oh the 550 is because she drives an hour and then back. The others are between 300 to 400 plus uber.

Pessimist
11-09-21, 00:02
Oh the 550 is because she drives an hour and then back. The others are between 300 to 400 plus uber.Personally, 300 or thereabouts should be sufficient to get many pretty white girls in the Tampa region. It is not an expensive city, and in any case I have had some personal experience there.

I think 350+ is justified only in big blue coastal cities like Boston, SF, NYC, DC, LA, etc. I stopped using SA in those places a couple of years ago. I had a few girls in Boston but has continued to decline steadily over time. I don't even try in SF or NYC. But 350 or less is plenty even in Miami, let alone Tampa in my view. Just have to hit up a lot of girls, hold firm. Eventually, you will have 5 to 10 who will agree.

Simply put, in a large city like Tampa there are enough pretty white girls to whom 300 is a good payday for spending 2 to 3 hours with a dude. Our job is to find them.

Steve 9696
11-09-21, 00:06
Steve,

You know I like the white girls and the Latinas. So tell me. Really, what is the percentage of those types on SA looking for daddies? I know you don't care for the "brancas", but you should at least have firsthand knowledge of how many are looking in a place like SA (or similar). Was funny because I was out at a bar the other night and there were some white college girls there telling me I was "hot", and one said "there goes my baby's daddy" hahaha! If I ever choose to go down this path, that's what I would want. White and Latina college girls only!Don't worry there are plenty of those. I am chattting up a hot Mexican girl even as I write this. And actually in one city where I go I find the pickings with the white girls are better. Went off script w one and she became a reg. And I am actually seeing a white girl from 2019 soon who I got down with a couple times. Full disclosure both these white girls were strippers not deep college material but plenty of fun to hang with and bang with.

The way to do Seeking is to browse. Browsing is free. I only started paying when I hit a girl I simply had to have. This was prob after three months of browsing. So browse away. Just no chatting till you pay.

Elvis 2008
11-09-21, 01:22
I personally don't feel any shame. I am somewhat thin skinned in general and don't hold my tongue when someone needlessly attacks me. But like many mongers, I don't feel that fucking multiple girls is a bad thing morally or any other way, and no, I don't feel any shame whatsoever. But for practical reasons, I obviously want to keep this side of my life from people around me or work colleagues.I just want to finish up. With seeing other women, I NEVER thought it was wrong. It took longer to get to the point where I did not feel it was wrong, but being shamed has to do with not living up to my feelings but societal feelings. That is what you afraid of at work, the stress of being shamed. You are a guy, and the first thing a guy does with stress is say he can handle it. I was the EXACT same way. I am just telling you that once that stress was gone and that shame or fear of being shamed was gone it was an incredible relief. Maybe that is not you. I do not know. Just letting you know.

As for your depressed woman, is she bipolar do you think? When there is a hot chick with bouts of depression who is great in bed, I usually think that. I usually find women who are bipolar or ADHD have the best bodies. It is because they have to work out to be mentally normal I think. If she is manic depressive or bipolar, you can be nice to her, but it is probably not going to matter. They need crazy strong medicine to feel better.

So besides being the best looking, when bipolars are manic or women with ADHD being themselves, they are also very orgasmic with the bipolars winning out. I think my current gal has some ADHD but treats it with crazy long workouts.

So there is a stripper I used to see and do it the right way, PPM, and she is so damned good that I see every few weeks for a few months. She turns out to be bipolar, smokes weed, and that seems to control her mania. Still, we fuck and on average she would have 3 or 4 orgasms.

So we go at it again. This time she is like having an orgasm every 5 seconds or practically throughout the whole act of sex. It was great, but we finish and I ask her what has changed. She tells me that she quit smoking weed, and I notice she is more manic. With bipolar, the mania gets going, then your body runs out of gas, and you fall off a cliff and get super depressed, and I saw that happening with her. So I gave her a little extra and told her, "Use that extra to buy yourself some weed. I think you need it."

Pessimist
11-09-21, 02:15
I just want to finish up. With seeing other women, I NEVER thought it was wrong. It took longer to get to the point where I did not feel it was wrong, but being shamed has to do with not living up to my feelings but societal feelings. That is what you afraid of at work, the stress of being shamed. You are a guy, and the first thing a guy does with stress is say he can handle it. I was the EXACT same way. I am just telling you that once that stress was gone and that shame or fear of being shamed was gone it was an incredible relief. Maybe that is not you. I do not know. Just letting you know.

As for your depressed woman, is she bipolar do you think? When there is a hot chick with bouts of depression who is great in bed, I usually think that. I usually find women who are bipolar or ADHD have the best bodies. It is because they have to work out to be mentally normal I think. If she is manic depressive or bipolar, you can be nice to her, but it is probably not going to matter. They need crazy strong medicine to feel better.

So besides being the best looking, when bipolars are manic or women with ADHD being themselves, they are also very orgasmic with the bipolars winning out. I think my current gal has some ADHD but treats it with crazy long workouts.

So there is a stripper I used to see and do it the right way, PPM, and she is so damned good that I see every few weeks for a few months. She turns out to be bipolar, smokes weed, and that seems to control her mania. Still, we fuck and on average she would have 3 or 4 orgasms.Well, I am sure there will be some loss of face in front of people who think I am respectable if they were to know I am fucking dozens of girls a year and still want more. But more importantly, I have a well paying gig and the culture in our partnership is to be buttoned down, no scandals etc. Perverted characters are not tolerated (perverted: their characterization, not me). There is zero upside and only downside to advertising my extra curricular activities.

Anyway, do we need to have a psycho analysis of why a married guy cheats? Really? Listen. I am married, I have kids, I have a nice job, I am a regular dude in the society but I have hormones. I am sure I am not alone in wanting to fuck as many as I want to. I will make it happen but I will not jeopardize the rest of my life, if I can help it.

I am not a huge expert on depression, bipolar etc. I am not a medical person. I did see one family member suffering through this, and that was more of GAD. I thought bipolar people would alternate between extreme feelings and expression of such extremes? For all I know, this chick is faking, who knows. I chatted with her for many years on and off, but met her only recently. I don't know for what purpose because I am not giving any extra money as a bonus for having depression. On a per meet basis, she works out cheaper than the college chick. Also, she is very pretty, she gives GFE but she is not that good in the mechanics (such as BJ). It is more of cuddly, kissy sex if that makes sense.

So far, this chick just goes into crying, a lot of ghosting, canceled dates etc. No screaming, no throwing stuff, no blackmailing and threats etc. But if it ever went in that direction, I will cut ties immediately. There are too many other girls and I will not risk my family life for this one chick.

Midwestern
11-09-21, 03:16
Yeah, you guys are totally right. I forgot about the category of SBs (and some WGs) that have decent jobs, but they just hook or SB on the side for some extra cash. In fact, these are specifically the ones that I searched for on SA.

Anyway, I just brought up the categories because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the gals that are good people, but they sell their bodies because they feel like they have no other choice in order to survive for themselves and / or for their family. I am regularly seeing several gals that fall into this category, and it is eating me up.

For example, they are single moms with no money and with very poor parents and are from a very rural part of the country. They leave their kids back home and come to the big city to sell their bodies to have enough money to take care of the family. I feel guilty about seeing them, because I feel like I am taking advantage of their bad situation in life. And because my situation is the opposite of theirs. I was born into a good family, and raised well. I am actually lazy and a loser, but because I have a college degree that my parents paid for, I am doing okay financially with a decent job. And so, I feel like I am bad person because I am taking advantage of good people. I did not deserve my good fate and they did not deserve their bad fates. Ironically, they are among the best WGs, SBs, GFs that I ever had.

DoomBringer321
11-09-21, 03:54
It's an article I found online about sugar babies.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sydrobinson1/sugar-baby-confessions

Pessimist
11-09-21, 04:18
Yeah, you guys are totally right. I forgot about the category of SBs (and some WGs) that have decent jobs, but they just hook or SB on the side for some extra cash. In fact, these are specifically the ones that I searched for on SA.

Anyway, I just brought up the categories because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the gals that are good people, but they sell their bodies because they feel like they have no other choice in order to survive for themselves and / or for their family. I am regularly seeing several gals that fall into this category, and it is eating me up.

For example, they are single moms with no money and with very poor parents and are from a very rural part of the country. They leave their kids back home and come to the big city to sell their bodies to have enough money to take care of the family. I feel guilty about seeing them, because I feel like I am taking advantage of their bad situation in life. And because my situation is the opposite of theirs. I was born into a good family, and raised well. I am actually lazy and a loser, but because I have a college degree that my parents paid for, I am doing okay financially with a decent job. And so, I feel like I am bad person because I am taking advantage of good people. I did not deserve my good fate and they did not deserve their bad fates. Ironically, they are among the best WGs, SBs, GFs that I ever had.You are a good guy, Midwestern. I don't think you should feel that way. Sorry, it is not my business to give advice to others, but just couldn't help myself for a minute. I also think "selling bodies" has an ugly connotation to it. It is two bodies coming together. The key is that she has a good, fun experience. If she is in obvious distress then it is a different matter. If she is visibly looking unhappy about getting fucked, I don't believe you will continue. If she is doing against her true will, you are not the one who put her there in that situation. Specially not in a sugarbabe relationship. In a FKK, there is some chance the girl was brought against her will. In German forums there have been many discussions of Romanian loverboys who traffic the girls in. No one knows the truth, and how many are trafficked and how many came on their own. As Steve said once, no one wants the cow slaughtered on their table, they just want to eat the steak. At least you are a nice compassionate person who is gentle with the girl and gives good money. If not you, is she better off w / someone else who may be rough physically and cheats on the money?

I again say, it is too simplistic to put sugarbabes in a few buckets. It just means you haven't had a chance to meet more (not you personally; I know you are super experienced, probably more experienced than me). The more girls I talk to, there are more stories and more nuances. I find them interesting, enjoy the getting to know part and of course the sex, and soon will forget them and find new ones. In a manner of speaking, they are like the girls who sat next to you and talked to you on a plane journey; we share a time and place for a brief time and then poof, gone our separate ways. Only memories.

NapataJohn
11-09-21, 12:32
Personally, 300 or thereabouts should be sufficient to get many pretty white girls in the Tampa region. It is not an expensive city, and in any case I have had some personal experience there..Pessimist I am sure you are right but I tend not to spend too much time negotiating down as I feel it spoils the meeting. She may not be so motivated during the meet, a 100 more is okay with me. Prefer being happy in these meetings than feeling she may not be so enthusiastic.

Steve 9696
11-09-21, 14:02
Yeah, you guys are totally right. I forgot about the category of SBs (and some WGs) that have decent jobs, but they just hook or SB on the side for some extra cash. In fact, these are specifically the ones that I searched for on SA.

Anyway, I just brought up the categories because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the gals that are good people, but they sell their bodies because they feel like they have no other choice in order to survive for themselves and / or for their family. I am regularly seeing several gals that fall into this category, and it is eating me up.

For example, they are single moms with no money and with very poor parents and are from a very rural part of the country. They leave their kids back home and come to the big city to sell their bodies to have enough money to take care of the family. I feel guilty about seeing them, because I feel like I am taking advantage of their bad situation in life. And because my situation is the opposite of theirs. I was born into a good family, and raised well. I am actually lazy and a loser, but because I have a college degree that my parents paid for, I am doing okay financially with a decent job. And so, I feel like I am bad person because I am taking advantage of good people. I did not deserve my good fate and they did not deserve their bad fates. Ironically, they are among the best WGs, SBs, GFs that I ever had.I'the say MW you are just the opposite of a bad person. A bad person will not be thinking the thoughts you do; he will not care about their life situation. The fact that you care for these girls and their situation means you have a good soul. Not that you are a saint but honestly you are probably a god send for this type girl. They have to fuck every opportunity even horrible misogynistic dudes and who treat them badly. You are no doubt a breath of fresh air in addition to cash.

I think I am a pretty nice guy but I don't like to fly too close to the flame. I had a brief SB once who would ask for diaper and formula money and I just couldn't keep on because it was depressing to be that close to her real life. I felt bad about it and I suppose it was selfish but I am def making sure I enjoy myself in my last 25 years or whatever. When it comes to SB whenever possible for a girl I want to be the frosting not the cake!

Pessimist
11-09-21, 19:47
Pessimist I am sure you are right but I tend not to spend too much time negotiating down as I feel it spoils the meeting. She may not be so motivated during the meet, a 100 more is okay with me. Prefer being happy in these meetings than feeling she may not be so enthusiastic.I understand. Anyway, you are an experienced sugardad. Don't think I need to tell you anything. If you are looking to pay 500, I bet you are able to get the creme de la creme, and extended service with everything included, whatever you desire. Happy hunting!

Steve 9696
11-09-21, 21:28
Pessimist I am sure you are right but I tend not to spend too much time negotiating down as I feel it spoils the meeting. She may not be so motivated during the meet, a 100 more is okay with me. Prefer being happy in these meetings than feeling she may not be so enthusiastic.Yeah I was finding in bigger cities in 2019 that it was tough to get a hot girl for less than 400. And that became my max. Then during Covid it seemed 500 was getting more regular. Although honestly I didn't try too hard. My logic was yeah I can prob get her to 400 but that's 100 more in my pocket and 100 less on hers. I have no doubt I will never miss this 100 or even the 1000 if we are lucky enough to have ten visits (looking at you Kayla!) so I let it slide at 500. Of course I'm getting 24 hrs and bareback and complete GFE in all respects. So it's an amazing deal.
(And slightly second tier girls — a little heavy or less pretty — but not both! At 300).

But I feel downward price pressure as we emerge here. We shall see!

NapataJohn
11-10-21, 02:20
!Steve the optics and personality of the SA girl I meet is very important for me more than the money I pay. I would rather pay more for 2 good meetings than 4 ordinary meetings.

Plus I have old SBs from 4 years ago that I meet when I go to that town or city. I have helped them out in hard times and thankfully there remember that even now. Example if you say meet 4 ordinary girls for 300 each or meet 2 very attractive girls for 700 each time I will for sure choose the latter. I hope that this sort of thinking aligns with your approach or thoughts.

NapataJohn
11-10-21, 02:29
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J Janni
11-10-21, 12:35
Trying out SA at the moment. There's a smoking hot girl, 24, single mum, about 20 minutes drive from me. She wants £100 for a meet plus childcare of £20, quick drink at the pub then across the road to her place. Confirmed with a videocall she is the girl in the pictures. New profile, created today. So maybe she's clueless?

Back and forth over 'need to send money for childcare first' - obviously, I'm not sending anything.

Finally got her to agree to meet me first, then I'd give her the childcare money. 99.999% certain I'm being sent off on a wildgoose chase. But I haven't got anything else to do today. And that 0. 001% chance it isn't, well fantastic!

Still 50/50 whether I'm going to even bother taking the drive.

Steve 9696
11-10-21, 16:31
Trying out SA at the moment. There's a smoking hot girl, 24, single mum, about 20 minutes drive from me. She wants 100 for a meet plus childcare of 20, quick drink at the pub then across the road to her place. Confirmed with a videocall she is the girl in the pictures. New profile, created today. So maybe she's clueless?

Back and forth over 'need to send money for childcare first' - obviously, I'm not sending anything.

Finally got her to agree to meet me first, then I'd give her the childcare money. 99.999% certain I'm being sent off on a wildgoose chase. But I haven't got anything else to do today. And that 0. 001% chance it isn't, well fantastic!

Still 50/50 whether I'm going to even bother taking the drive.Love your never say die attitude. Why not go in glass half full but with low expectations. I like it. But def I'm betting on the 99.9999% outcome! Best of luck!

Ps loved reading ur recent reports. In the Phuket thread as i recall?

Steve 9696
11-10-21, 16:41
Damn I must be living right. My rekindle of a late 2019 girl in a second tier city I visit far exceeded expectations. Ended up giving her 400 after a six hour date including 3 full hours in the bedroom and two mega shots. In the past we were pressed for time and it was very transactional. This time it was much more BFGF once we got going and man does she love to drink and becomes quite the vixen once the Tito's is flowing.

Full report to follow.

J Janni
11-10-21, 17:13
Love your never say die attitude. Why not go in glass half full but with low expectations. I like it. But def I'm betting on the 99.9999% outcome! Best of luck!

Ps loved reading ur recent reports. In the Phuket thread as i recall?Yes, that was me. Phuket and Pattaya. Was considering a bandit run back to Thailand but timings just aren't going to work.

Smoking hot single momma' never came off. Definite scammer. But at least she's a polite scammer who didn't let me do a 40 minute round trip.

Got another girl lined up for tomorrow morning, 40 minutes away. Short, petite 25 year old black British girl. Confirmed ID with videocall. BBFSCIP agreed to upfront (very reluctantly) for £150 ppm. All the other girls I've taken to WhatsApp are wanting £250+ per meet.

Steve 9696
11-10-21, 20:40
Yes, that was me. Phuket and Pattaya. Was considering a bandit run back to Thailand but timings just aren't going to work.

Smoking hot single momma' never came off. Definite scammer. But at least she's a polite scammer who didn't let me do a 40 minute round trip.

Got another girl lined up for tomorrow morning, 40 minutes away. Short, petite 25 year old black British girl. Confirmed ID with videocall. BBFSCIP agreed to upfront (very reluctantly) for 150 ppm. All the other girls I've taken to WhatsApp are wanting 250+ per meet.Yeah I find London breaks my formula. In the US the cost of a pro for an hour is a good proxy for an SA girl for the evening. But in London I can get a nice girl for 150-200 £ at Diva say. But I couldn't find SA girls there. 250 £ was as low as I found in my limited experience when pass thru in 2019 and 2020.

J Janni
11-10-21, 21:14
Yeah I find London breaks my formula. In the US the cost of a pro for an hour is a good proxy for an SA girl for the evening. But in London I can get a nice girl for 150-200 at Diva say. But I couldn't find SA girls there. 250 was as low as I found in my limited experience when pass thru in 2019 and 2020.I'm in the NorthWest, bordering upon the West Midlands.

I've got the slums of Liverpool, Birmingham and Manchester within spitting distance and these girls are still talking stupid numbers. It's a filtering game, isn't it?

Pessimist
11-11-21, 04:55
Met another new girl today. Met her around 2:30 PM, so it was past lunch time. Went straight to the hotel. A bit risky for my taste, but I let the dick run my head. Pretty tall girl, 5'10"; White; not fat but not skinny either; she was really athletic. Pretty face, upturned nose and slight dimples, the kinda girl that drives me crazy. 22 years old, almost 23. She is a recent transplant to my city from a coastal state. Very outgoing, quite confident, super experienced babe. Had been doing this since she was 18, she said. We met in some parking lot, she came and sat in my car and we drove to a hotel nearby, she didn't have the slightest hesitation getting into the car of a stranger. I took it as a compliment that she trusted me enough. She is very experienced sexually, she admitted she had multiple sugardads not to mention several boyfriends and fuckboys of her own. Into the room, right away began with deep kissing, disrobed me and gave very wet blow job; she encouraged me to finger her with 3 fingers, and almost squirted; very wet in fact, rarely see it. 20 to 30 minutes of fucking in multiple positions; for some reason could not cum. She peeled off the condom, and blew me again with me standing up and her on the knees, and swallowed every last drop. Wow. That last act alone costs like a 50 extra in FKKs and they immediately spit it into a paper towel before I even stop cumming. This one wiped me so cleanly, I could have put my underwear on with no more rinsing.

The session itself didn't last more than 70 minutes. Very different session from the one with my college girl that spent 3+ hours with me, 2 in the room. But the girl today is a lot more pro, although of the same age.

There was a porn star called Meggan Mallone 10 to 15 years ago. Today's girl could be her twin, where looks are concerned.

J Janni
11-11-21, 07:46
Yes, that was me. Phuket and Pattaya. Was considering a bandit run back to Thailand but timings just aren't going to work.

Smoking hot single momma' never came off. Definite scammer. But at least she's a polite scammer who didn't let me do a 40 minute round trip.

Got another girl lined up for tomorrow morning, 40 minutes away. Short, petite 25 year old black British girl. Confirmed ID with videocall. BBFSCIP agreed to upfront (very reluctantly) for 150 ppm. All the other girls I've taken to WhatsApp are wanting 250+ per meet.So, this could be a winner.

Videocalled her again last, sweet talked her into showing me her pussy. Cute, very hairy. And she was wet, very wet, making cute little noises when she spread herself. I think all the talk of cumming in her pussy turned her on.

I'm taking the ungroomed nature (she's agreed to shave) and the wetnesss as a good sign. Inclined to believe her when she says she hasn't had sex in a year.

Got a date set in a couple of hours time, will report back.

Midwestern
11-11-21, 08:11
Ended up giving her 400 after a six hour date including 3 full hours in the bedroom and two mega shots.Man, I love long fuck sessions. Last fall, when I rented that apartment for 6 months, the first time that I brought Maya there, I stuck my dick into her and we fucked for 5 hours. I just stuck it in and then we did DFK for the entire time. We did a food break in the middle of it. But LOL, she had no idea what she was in for, and she complained about it hard the next day, saying that she could barely walk. But her vagina felt amazing and her body was amazing and she was a great kisser and just totally beautiful, and so those 5 hours went by pretty fast. Too bad that she dumped me in February.

This year, my longest fuck session was with an MP gal that was super into me, and I even rented an apartment for her. We would fuck for three hours at a time. She never wanted to stop, she loved it too.

I always took a couple of gulps of beer before long sessions, to make sure my dick was numb so that I would not cum.

Tomorrow I am supposed to see that married skinny MILF. She is also usually DTF for hours too, but lately we just go at it for only 2 hours. I guess the novelty is slowly wearing off with her.

DonCarlos1234
11-11-21, 08:47
Yeah, you guys are totally right. I forgot about the category of SBs (and some WGs) that have decent jobs, but they just hook or SB on the side for some extra cash. In fact, these are specifically the ones that I searched for on SA.


Anyway, I just brought up the categories because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the gals that are good people, but they sell their bodies because they feel like they have no other choice in order to survive for themselves and / or for their family. I am regularly seeing several gals that fall into this category, and it is eating me up.
For example, they are single moms with no money and with very poor parents and are from a very rural part of the country. They leave their kids back home and come to the big city to sell their bodies to have enough money to take care of the family. I feel guilty about seeing them, because I feel like I am taking advantage of their bad situation in life. And because my situation is the opposite of theirs. I was born into a good family, and raised well. I am actually lazy and a loser, but because I have a college degree that my parents paid for, I am doing okay financially with a decent job. And so, I feel like I am bad person because I am taking advantage of good people. I did not deserve my good fate and they did not deserve their bad fates. Ironically, they are among the best WGs, SBs, GFs that I ever had.Never thought this was where my Mom's SD dates from the 70's would finally make sense. She kept me from knowing (but years later I figured it out) There was no SA then. The USA was a perfect, clean, pious place to grow up in. Where we lived in a preachers home (my grandfather, yikes!) & all the time Mom had at least 5-6 SD's that I know now helped her to make it in that country town. And we only left when she married a wealth businessman (my stepfather) . So I guess it's no wonder in today's world I get to do the same. I help that 4th category and fuk the guilt, having sex with the most gorgeous women I can find as often as possible. It is a relief to read these posts. See you all in Medellin, one month beginning November 24. Elvis?

J Janni
11-11-21, 22:53
So, this could be a winner.

Videocalled her again last, sweet talked her into showing me her pussy. Cute, very hairy. And she was wet, very wet, making cute little noises when she spread herself. I think all the talk of cumming in her pussy turned her on.

I'm taking the ungroomed nature (she's agreed to shave) and the wetness as a good sign. Inclined to believe her when she says she hasn't had sex in a year.

Got a date set in a couple of hours time, will report back.Date never came off. I was on the way and the girl videocalled, half gazeboed at 10 am and asking me to bring more booze with me. Noped out, too skeezy even for me.

I've got a couple of other girls on the hook. Pretty, 23 year old single mum from near Liverpool. A chav for my fellow Brits (I am kind of into that.) BBFSCIP agreed to for 150 ppm. Meeting her at a hotel Sunday. From our chat and videocall, she seems proper filthy. In a good way.

Gorgeous, stacked Black British 20 year old in Liverpool for 200 ppm. BBFSCIP. Possibly might go and see her Tuesday or Wednesday.

Looked into SA during Covid, but it was too difficult to arrange anything with the hotels shuts. Did my research and got all the cheat phrases and advice. It amazes me that these girls don't see themselves as W G. But if you messaged them, '150 an hour outcall, bareback and cum in pussy' you'd get shut down in an instant.

This SA thing is going to bankrupt me though.

Steve 9696
11-11-21, 23:13
Date never came off. I was on the way and the girl videocalled, half gazeboed at 10 am and asking me to bring more booze with me. Noped out, too skeezy even for me.

I've got a couple of other girls on the hook. Pretty, 23 year old single mum from near Liverpool. A chav for my fellow Brits (I am kind of into that.) BBFSCIP agreed to for 150 ppm. Meeting her at a hotel Sunday. From our chat and videocall, she seems proper filthy. In a good way.

Gorgeous, stacked Black British 20 year old in Liverpool for 200 ppm. BBFSCIP. Possibly might go and see her Tuesday or Wednesday.

Looked into SA during Covid, but it was too difficult to arrange anything with the hotels shuts. Did my research and got all the cheat phrases and advice. It amazes me that these girls don't see themselves as W G. But if you messaged them, '150 an hour outcall, bareback and cum in pussy' you'd get shut down in an instant.

This SA thing is going to bankrupt me though.So if you don't talk BBFScip early it sounds like U do talk about that some time. Personally I’d be scared of any that allow CIP. That’s a level of desperation that I don’t want to get close to. When and how are you bringing it up to these girls? I know the girls I am after would ghost me in two seconds. Sounds like you are finding more WG style girls?

J Janni
11-11-21, 23:55
So if you don't talk BBFScip early it sounds like I do talk about that some time. When and how are you bringing it up to these girls? I know the girls I am after would ghost me in two seconds. Sounds like you are finding more WG style girls?I've got maybe four categories I've mentally put the girls (that aren't / probably aren't video sellers / scammers) into;.

Escorts. Probably have an AdultWork account or if they don't, they should. They're after £200+ppm and have a list of dos and donts. Bareback is a definite no go, like it would be with most of the girls on Adultwork if you ask for it straight up, out of the blue.

Absolute skanks. They're offering it up at 100-150 ppm. Drunks, drunk addicts, fat an / or fuck ugly!

Semi-pro kinda girls. Newish to the game, maybe hurting for short term money, mid-tier attractiveness, think there's probably a difference between them and a straight up escort. Probably not aware of their 'worth' yet. Condom use outside of the P4 p world isn't as prevalent as you might think so it isn't an absolute 'no' with these girls to fuck without a condom. Generally I find they're biting at 150 ppm or 200 ppm.

Proper SBs (the ones I'm interested in anyway) - Teen, early twenties, pretty as fuck stunners with perfect bodies. Aware of how the game is played, so will take PPM if you play it right. Generally going for 200-250+ppm.

I ditch the first two categories on discovery, focus on the second;.

My profile makes a big deal about how I travel for work and pleasure so much, lots of pictures of exotic locales, so no time for a traditional relationship. When we get chatting, I'll talk about a previous (imaginary) SB I had a casual, ongoing relationship with. She was so chill, 25, good job, we'd meet at hers a couple nights a month when I was in the UK, takeaway, wine and a movie. I'm a wealthy guy, see, just simple. (sets expectations that five star hotel and a £100 dinner on a PPM won't be forthcoming, not my style see.).

Talk about how I want to rekindle that, loved the casual and intimate nature bla-bla. Eventually move the conversation on to sexual likes and dislikes. With the stunner SBs, that's where I leave it. If we can find a PPM that works for both of us, I'd be happy for that quality of girl to use a condom. BBFSCIP with those girls I feel (and it has been my experience in other arenas) is more likely to happen with a 'go with the flow' in the room approach. Take your time on foreplay and teasing, get them off with oral yada-yada. An untested theory with SBs.

The 'semi-pro' girls, that's the point I'll ask if they're on birth control and get tested regularly. If they say no, they're probably lying and cutting the bareback question off. Sometimes they say yes and 'I always use protection. ' If they yes and nothing else, I start gushing about 'Oh good, that's what I miss most about previous relationship, the worry free, natural sex, the intimacy of cumming inside bla bla. ' Often the response I get is something like 'oh yes' and even an admission of 'hating the feel of condoms. '.

All untested yet. YMMV, for all I know I'm just talking to scammers / video sellers and bored girls with no intentions of meeting.

Elvis 2008
11-12-21, 04:26
I help that 4th category and fuk the guilt, having sex with the most gorgeous women I can find as often as possible. It is a relief to read these posts. See you all in Medellin, one month beginning November 24. Elvis?Flight for Cartagena now is November 30 to December 6. I am working like a MF last two weeks of December but might be able to stay until the 8th.

Hopefully, we will be setting up our apartment in Cartagena then. It will be nice to have an apartment just the way I / we want it.

I am working on a threesome but it is not going so well. According to this video, I am probably at stage 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrnbga-zDA.

With my luck, she will say okay on a threesome and then want it to be with another guy.

I feel like I am a disappointment to the forum but what do you do when you find a girl who gets more stares than anyone you have ever been with, does not ask for a dime, is so sweet she will do anything you ask both in and out of the bedroom, and gets pissed when she does not get it at least 3 X a day?

The women usually have a weakness. It is rare to find a woman top 10 (for me) in kissing, giving head, fucking, and sex drive. That never happens but it did with her. I think God will curse me with shitty sex the rest of my life if I mess this up.

If you come to CTG, the place to go is supposedly Dolce Vita. One guy said it had more hot women per square inch than anywhere in the world. My gal actually was interested in going there and going dancing.

I do not know about you but I have this annoying little habit of looking at other women when I am with my gal or another one. Inevitably, when I think I have the hottest, there is one better. That has not happened with her either. There has been a few rare times there has been equal but not better.

It looks like I am destined to be a one woman man. How the hell did this happen?

Midwestern
11-12-21, 13:49
Man, wouldn't you be a little worried if any gal agreed to BBFSCIP from the very beginning? Any new girl that agrees to that from the very beginning, then it suggests that she is doing it with lots of others. It kind of indicates that she does not place any value on herself and on her life and is indifferent if she dies from a risk or a disease.

I love BBFS, but I can almost never get it from a new gal right away, but after the gal becomes familar with me, feels safe with me, and kind of even likes me, (and this might take months), she might eventually let me bareback her. Just last week, I finally barebacked someone that I've been doing covered sex with for a couple of years. We were making out passionately, and before she knew what was going on, I slipped my uncovered cock into her, and she freaked out, but after a minute of my reassuring her and gently comforting her, she relented. So, given that it took a couple of years to get to this point, I feel like I kind of earned it. A few days ago, I saw her again, and this time we just went straight to bareback. It does not always take this long to bareback someone of course. Sometimes it only took me a few months, and in a few rare cases it only took me a few dates. But eventually, I am able to bareback most gals if I want to, even though almost all of them adamantly refused barebacking from the beginning.

And so, my point is, maybe just gradually and patiently ease into it, and not ask for it right away.


Date never came off. I was on the way and the girl videocalled, half gazeboed at 10 am and asking me to bring more booze with me. Noped out, too skeezy even for me.

I've got a couple of other girls on the hook. Pretty, 23 year old single mum from near Liverpool. A chav for my fellow Brits (I am kind of into that.) BBFSCIP agreed to for 150 ppm. Meeting her at a hotel Sunday. From our chat and videocall, she seems proper filthy. In a good way.

Gorgeous, stacked Black British 20 year old in Liverpool for 200 ppm. BBFSCIP. Possibly might go and see her Tuesday or Wednesday.

Looked into SA during Covid, but it was too difficult to arrange anything with the hotels shuts. Did my research and got all the cheat phrases and advice. It amazes me that these girls don't see themselves as W G. But if you messaged them, '150 an hour outcall, bareback and cum in pussy' you'd get shut down in an instant.

This SA thing is going to bankrupt me though.

J Janni
11-12-21, 14:30
Man, wouldn't you be a little worried if any gal agreed to BBFSCIP from the very beginning? Any new girl that agrees to that from the very beginning, then it suggests that she is doing it with lots of others. It kind of indicates that she does not place any value on herself and on her life and is indifferent if she dies from a risk or a disease.

I love BBFS, but I can almost never get it from a new gal right away, but after the gal becomes familar with me, feels safe with me, and kind of even likes me, (and this might take months), she might eventually let me bareback her. Just last week, I finally barebacked someone that I've been doing covered sex with for a couple of years. We were making out passionately, and before she knew what was going on, I slipped my uncovered cock into her, and she freaked out, but after a minute of my reassuring her and gently comforting her, she relented. So, given that it took a couple of years to get to this point, I feel like I kind of earned it. A few days ago, I saw her again, and this time we just went straight to bareback. It does not always take this long to bareback someone of course. Sometimes it only took me a few months, and in a few rare cases it only took me a few dates. But eventually, I am able to bareback most gals if I want to, even though almost all of them adamantly refused barebacking from the beginning.

And so, my point is, maybe just gradually and patiently ease into it, and not ask for it right away.I'm a serial non-monogamist which is why I'm in this hobby. By the second or third session, I'm losing interest. Give me Keira Knightley all holes, all night long, bareback and she pays me. The second session isn't as good as the first and by the third, I'm planning on how to ditch her. It will never beat the thrill of getting a new girl's knickers off, discovering what she's like in bed, seeing (if it isn't discussed up front) whether I'm 'smooth' to get it to happen in the room, slide in there and cum inside her.

With the girls I've got upfront agreements from, I'm selective. And it might sound like I've made getting the agreement easy, but it's taken a lot of chatting, videocalls etc with the girls I might actually go and see. In person, I'd back away if there was anything suspicious to put me off.

Am I naïve enough to think I'd be the only one they're doing it with? No. But I think they're probably getting a different class of clientele and lower footfall than the Thai and Filipina hookers guys on here are happily barebacking.

So yeah, I try to be selective, take Prep and doxy prophylactically, test frequently (can do it by post for free in the UK. Protip, tell sexual health clinics / online government services in the UK you're a gay bottom hooker, you get the red carpet haha) and just accept my level of risk.

Basically, you're using SA properly and how it's designed. I'm looking for great one off experiences with girls you just don't get in the escort scene in the UK, with that no rushed and practically no limits (these girls don't come with a list of 'nos' like the pro girls) feel.

Ethics of it are definitely up for debate.

J Janni
11-12-21, 18:39
All this back and forth got me pretty damn horny, so on the theory that a pussy in hand is worth two in the Bush as girls are flakey.

Got a date lined up for tomorrow. Tall, slim, pretty brunette. 29. It's 150 ppm but unlike the other girl, she can host so it keeps the cost down. Depends on how it goes, I might pie off the Sunday date.

For anyone contemplating looking into SBs in the UK and concerned about the hotel thing, there's a couple of websites dayrooms.com and dayuse. Co. Uk. You can book a hotel room in the day all over the country. Nothing to pay upfront, occupy from 10 am - 5 pm, cancel by up to mid-day on the day of the booking and pay no fee (not sure how they'd collect a fee if you cancelled after / no showed as they don't have my card details. Maybe just blacklist you if you don't pay). 50% cheaper than overnight rate. My experience so far with SA is it definitely doesn't need to be the trips abroad, fine dining and expensive hotels it might first appear to be.

Even the teen stunners I've floated the idea with seem happy to PPM and straight to a hotel during the day. Whether they'd flake or not remains to be seen.

WyattEarp
11-12-21, 19:42
I've got maybe four categories I've mentally put the girls (that aren't / probably aren't video sellers / scammers) into;.

Escorts. Probably have an AdultWork account or if they don't, they should. They're after 200+ppm and have a list of dos and donts. Bareback is a definite no go, like it would be with most of the girls on Adultwork if you ask for it straight up, out of the blue.

Absolute skanks. They're offering it up at 100-150 ppm. Drunks, drunk addicts, fat an / or fuck ugly!

Semi-pro kinda girls. Newish to the game, maybe hurting for short term money, mid-tier attractiveness, think there's probably a difference between them and a straight up escort. Probably not aware of their 'worth' yet. Condom use outside of the P4 p world isn't as prevalent as you might think so it isn't an absolute 'no' with these girls to fuck without a condom. Generally I find they're biting at 150 ppm or 200 ppm.

Proper SBs (the ones I'm interested in anyway) - Teen, early twenties, pretty as fuck stunners with perfect bodies. Aware of how the game is played, so will take PPM if you play it right. Generally going for 200-250+ppm.

I ditch the first two categories on discovery, focus on the second;..I think you're giving Steve9696 ideas and he's going to set up his SA shop in London. You might want to claim the Midlands and Northward for yourself. LOL.

Steve 9696
11-13-21, 00:07
Here is the follow up full FR on Liz. Great reminder in so many ways. One. Girls from years ago will still be ready to fuck you if you treated them right. Just because it's transactional to start doesn't mean it can't blossom. Sometimes going against type can be ok or even good. So much is the girl and her attitude.

I met Liz about two years ago on SA. The first meet was quite memorable because there was some mixup on timing and we only had a very short window. So we meet at the bar and have one quick drink and I can feel the sex-time clock ticking down.

So I say "want to get out if here?" And she is a bit taken aback and says "wow you're really confident aren't you?" To which I reply "Yep. Let's go. " And off we go to the hotel next door. Damn, alcohol can be your friend those words just came out of my mouth without a thought and damn if she didn't just follow me and get it on! And here we are two years later meeting up in earnest after perhaps two or three direct to hotel meets two years ago.

So Liz is fun because she's pretty straightforward (used to be a stripper) but not my type physically (eye color, skin tone etc) but a very pretty girl. After finding nothing better I felt like I was just settling for her. But that was flat out wrong! In the end it was a whale of a time with an awesome vibe and definitely to be repeated.

We had some restaurant snafu but eventually found a place that we both enjoyed. She confessed she'the been swigging wine from her purse to loosen up a bit. And we added Sake to the mix during dinner. Pretty reasonable date and the conversation flowed easily. She ran into a friend who works as a waitress there but she took it like a champ. LOL.

We bopped back to the hotel and up to the room. Because this was not a hometown date and we already knew each other there was really no rush. So I broke out the Tito's and Sprite (her request-I always keep my girl happy in the drinks dept) and we sat cross legged on the bed and just shot the shit and drank for prob a half hour.

I tend to get bold and frisky when I drink so as she's chatting away I just start taking off her sweater. Pretty soon that is off then the rest and we are both naked standing and making out. The kissing is a bit less tongue than I prefer but that will change once I get her cranked up.

She's quite tatted up as it turns out having gotten quite a few these last two years. She now has a full sleeve which I have to say is frankly badass awesome. (I know some guys don't like tattoos but if you travel to Brasil you better learn to love them and I have). She's a bit heavier than I prefer some Covid pounds but still nice and smooth and shapely more thick than fat.

So we get the party started by me easing her down on her back at the edge of the bed with my face positioned between her legs. Damn she has a beautiful pussy not quite like any other I've see. And I've seen a few! It's like a flower with lots of petals. No big pronounced lips but lots of little waves and folds. Quite beautiful to look at and dive into.

I remember last time she didn't like fingering and we had discussed that on text. So gentleman that I am I say "I'm trying to remember what you like." and she says "whatever you want to do is fine with me!" Nice. It's on.

So I dive in for some lengthy DATY including some tentative fingering followed by the full on treatment as she warms up. After satisfying her well, I move up to kiss her and now we are full on tongue tangled macking. Just needed a warm up.

And so we head to BBBJ. I'm starting to position myself on my back and she says "don't you want me on my knees?" Wow aren't you the submissive vixen. Damn straight I do! I throw a pillow on the floor for her to kneel and she appreciates my consideration.

Wow that girl can give some head. Occupational hazard of being a stripper I suppose. Later riding cowgirl she says riding all those strip club laps honed her game. LOL. The BJ is very very good with plenty of BLS. She does something that strangely I have never had before which is at one point she will lean back letting my entire cock leave her mouth then lean forward to a deep throat then lean back again. Basically like a mouth fucking but where your cock exits and re-enters every stroke. Was pretty mind blowing.

After a bunch of this (20 minutes?) I am ready to fuck. I comment on how I luv BJ so much and don't want to stop but just get this powerful urge to fuck and she says same exact with her. So on goes the cover and I position her in my fave position. Just going to start calling this the Steve. On her back. Pussy at edge of bed. Me standing. Insert and let the magic begin. The Steve. We have her tunes on and I get a good rhythm going.

Man we fuck like this forever. I can't remember exactly what she said but it reminded me of Jade who said "You can fuck me all night if you want baby". Very similar comment and in fact I think in total I have never fucked so much in one evening as that night.

After a while we switch to Cowgirl and she is very very good. Blue ribbon baby. I feel like I might cum after a long ride but prefer to finish by mouth and ask her same. She says sure.

So I go to stand in front of the pillow I put down for her to kneel on. She gets up grabs the pillow and chucks it and says "pillows are for pussys!" And gets down bare knees on carpet to suck me off. LOL. Luv that baby. Like your dirty girl style! And it's another long BBBJ to a CIM and swallow finish. A goodly mouthful but she swallows it all.

Lots of drinking and cuddling follows. I get the full tattoo tour plus who knows what we talk about. Surely a half hour as I recover. I get pretty frisky when drinking so on returning from the bathroom I climb on the bed on all fours and go get over top of her like a dog and start kissing her. And damn she warms up quickly. Super comfy now I roll her on her back and get between her legs and say she has such a small clit and it’s quite buried in there. So we root around for a bit and find it. LOL and do some more DATY and then head for some more amazingly long fucking sessions.

Oh round two is a bit foggy but def did the Steve and doggy and more BJ and geez I dunno. Finish with an epic 10+ minute BJ really sloppy with lots of hands on balls and bam. Another CIM swallow.

After relaxing a bit she's got the munchies and is talking about getting an Uber to get some hamburgers at this amazing Late night bar and grill. I say shit I'll just drive you and we can go together and she is all over that. We've moved from transactional to super BFGF and really enjoy each other. So we have some epic late night burgers and I drive her home. A full 6 hours from start to finish. Really nice relaxed experience. Def repeat. She's a whale of a good time.

J Janni
11-13-21, 18:35
Met 29 year old leggy single mum today. She matched her pictures (and the videocall duh) so it wasn't a bait and switch. Coining a new phrase, 'getting escorted' - when an SB turns out to actually just be an escort. Some redflags I overlooked wilfully as she was the most convenient girl (close, took my first offer, could meet almost immediately, could host. Which are mostly all redflags themselves) such as wanting to communicate on Kik rather than Whatsapp. With the benefit of hindsight, it was all obvious.

I think she does her business on Seeking exclusively. I can't find a profile in the area that matches her even slightly anywhere else.

Got her place, knocked on the door. And she answered in a dressing gown with just underwear underneath and I immediately knew she was an escort. She took my initial pause as shyness. When really it was an internal debate between my brain 'this isn't what you wanted from SA' and my dick 'you're here, she's hot, why not?

Inside, sit on the couch, cup of tea, perfunctory chat about bollocks where she threw up more redflags to her escorty nature, mostly financial. After maybe 5-10 minutes, at her suggestion, 'Shall we go upstairs?' (and asked for the money. I hadn't immediately handed it over as I was still mentally debating leaving).

Handed it over and went upstairs. Typical escort start, light French kissing (did deepen properly when I succeeded in getting her worked up), blowjob, ok sex, breather, ok sex. Nothing to write home about. Got stage managed out in a way that was far too slick, parted after spending about 2. 5 hours there. I've paid more for far less time with a less attractive girl, so I'm not all cut up about the experience.

Just not what I was looking for on SA. That 'seducing' feeling of the slow escalation of a non-P4 p sexual encounter. If I'm cheeky enough to send her a post match review, I'll suggest she actually wears clothes next time, allows the guy to make the first move and start activities on the couch rather than the change of venue before we've even touched.

I've cancelled with the girl for tomorrow. I suspect it would be more of the same (though as we're meeting at a hotel, at least she'd wear clothes. Am I alone in thinking the slow undressing is a great part of the experience? Hate turning up to see an escort and having her meet me the typical lingerie, stockings and heels.).

Going to try one of the girls a level up who've agreed on a 'coffee / drink, chat and if we're comfortable, to a hotel' to see if that offers the experience I'm looking for. If that's a bust, I might actually have to try one of the girls who won't fuck on the first date.

Ruch888
11-13-21, 19:22
All this back and forth got me pretty damn horny, so on the theory that a pussy in hand is worth two in the Bush as girls are flakey.

Got a date lined up for tomorrow. Tall, slim, pretty brunette. 29. It's 150 ppm but unlike the other girl, she can host so it keeps the cost down. Depends on how it goes, I might pie off the Sunday date.

For anyone contemplating looking into SBs in the UK and concerned about the hotel thing, there's a couple of websites dayrooms.com and dayuse. Co. Uk. You can book a hotel room in the day all over the country. Nothing to pay upfront, occupy from 10 am - 5 pm, cancel by up to mid-day on the day of the booking and pay no fee (not sure how they'd collect a fee if you cancelled after / no showed as they don't have my card details. Maybe just blacklist you if you don't pay). 50% cheaper than overnight rate. My experience so far with SA is it definitely doesn't need to be the trips abroad, fine dining and expensive hotels it might first appear to be.

Even the teen stunners I've floated the idea with seem happy to PPM and straight to a hotel during the day. Whether they'd flake or not remains to be seen.Thanks for the recommendation I'm in the UK now going to use this site for my sugar dates. What is the average Ppm you're doing? I see 150 £ for the mum I guess? The averages I'm getting are 400-600 for some good ones. Is it because I'm not local and the babes feel that they can take advantage of me being a foreigner? Or is that the standard In London.

Steve 9696
11-13-21, 19:39
Met 29 year old leggy single mum today. She matched her pictures (and the videocall duh) so it wasn't a bait and switch. Coining a new phrase, 'getting escorted' - when an SB turns out to actually just be an escort. Some redflags I overlooked wilfully as she was the most convenient girl (close, took my first offer, could meet almost immediately, could host. Which are mostly all redflags themselves) such as wanting to communicate on Kik rather than Whatsapp. With the benefit of hindsight, it was all obvious.

I think she does her business on Seeking exclusively. I can't find a profile in the area that matches her even slightly anywhere else.

Got her place, knocked on the door. And she answered in a dressing gown with just underwear underneath and I immediately knew she was an escort. She took my initial pause as shyness. When really it was an internal debate between my brain 'this isn't what you wanted from SA' and my dick 'you're here, she's hot, why not?

Inside, sit on the couch, cup of tea, perfunctory chat about bollocks where she threw up more redflags to her escorty nature, mostly financial. After maybe 5-10 minutes, at her suggestion, 'Shall we go upstairs?' (and asked for the money. I hadn't immediately handed it over as I was still mentally debating leaving).

Handed it over and went upstairs. Typical escort start, light French kissing (did deepen properly when I succeeded in getting her worked up), blowjob, ok sex, breather, ok sex. Nothing to write home about. Got stage managed out in a way that was far too slick, parted after spending about 2. 5 hours there. I've paid more for far less time with a less attractive girl, so I'm not all cut up about the experience.

Just not what I was looking for on SA. That 'seducing' feeling of the slow escalation of a non-P4 p sexual encounter. If I'm cheeky enough to send her a post match review, I'll suggest she actually wears clothes next time, allows the guy to make the first move and start activities on the couch rather than the change of venue before we've even touched.

I've cancelled with the girl for tomorrow. I suspect it would be more of the same (though as we're meeting at a hotel, at least she'd wear clothes. Am I alone in thinking the slow undressing is a great part of the experience? Hate turning up to see an escort and having her meet me the typical lingerie, stockings and heels.).

Going to try one of the girls a level up who've agreed on a 'coffee / drink, chat and if we're comfortable, to a hotel' to see if that offers the experience I'm looking for. If that's a bust, I might actually have to try one of the girls who won't fuck on the first date.Think you are after exactly what is my sweet spot girl who wants to be treated nice and will fuck you if things go well at dinner. I've even had three that balked at the room but managed to fuck two out of three. LOL. (And 28 that went to room smoothly). And yeah agree. Want to undress slowly. A little seduction it's all part of it.

I'the suggest you go to a nice dinner. You drink a lot. You laugh a lot. Next you know she's your girlfriend for the night. Try to go to hotel that night while you have momentum. Don't let it sag over to a second date.

For these girls you can't talk sex and cip and all that. You going to treat them like a date during the SA pickup. Same as you would a girl in a bar. And you will find the right type.

Still congrats on ur first closure. Two rounds and 2.5 hours beats an hourly girl. Even if it felt a bit escortish. There are worse things. But U can def find the right girl if u take the right approach.

J Janni
11-13-21, 19:56
Think you are after exactly what is my sweet spot girl who wants to be treated nice and will fuck you if things go well at dinner. I've even had three that balked at the room but managed to fuck two out of three. LOL. (And 28 that went to room smoothly). And yeah agree. Want to undress slowly. A little seduction it's all part of it.

I'the suggest you go to a nice dinner. You drink a lot. You laugh a lot. Next you know she's your girlfriend for the night. Try to go to hotel that night while you have momentum. Don't let it sag over to a second date.

For these girls you can't talk sex and cip and all that. You going to treat them like a date during the SA pickup. Same as you would a girl in a bar. And you will find the right type.I think you may be right. In fact I'm almost certain you are. I am chatting to some girls like that. The 18/19/20 year old stunners you need to go softly-softly with and would run a mile at explicit sex talk early on. Sorting out the logistics of meeting with a couple of very gorgeous girls. And actually, one 28 year old single mum who I've been having great banter and conversations with, who keeps surprising me with very tastefully sexy pics at just the right moment. Not as pretty or nubile as the ideal, but her personality and ability to turn me on bumps her way up.

HOWEVER. I do have a couple of girls I'm very interested in who are agreeing to BBFSCIP if things go well over a coffee, who are almost as attractive as the Tier 1 girls. If they don't suddenly turn into content sellers or deposit / transport scammers (which I think is highly likely) or complete flakes (highly likely), I'd like to explore it.

I think more than likely I'll end up chasing your sweet spot and have to expend some time, effort and money without guaranteed results.

J Janni
11-13-21, 20:39
Straw poll. Does anyone believe a beautiful, doe-eyed brunette 5'2 95 lbs 19 year old with a drum-taut body is a virgin? Literally, the girl we all dream of getting into bed. The girl who would have been amongst the hottest girls at your school / college uni.

I don't. And I'm so not after a virgin.

NeilGeorge
11-13-21, 22:27
Recently I have come across (no pun intended) a couple ladies with smelly butt odor, and also smelly pussy odor, especially when performing doggie position sex. Other than cutting them loose, is there a good way to get corrective action and get this cleaned up? I do not want to be rude, but some of these women need to bathe. Showering does not cleanse the butt hole or the pussy hole from the smell. Should I tell them that and risk a confrontation? They may say, well your penis smells too. Urine smell or urine drip and she does not want to perform felatio.

J Janni
11-14-21, 16:34
Seeing a girl next week. 28 year old single mother, a little plain but has bumped herself way up with the quality of our banter together and the tastefully sexy pictures she's sent at just the right moment in conversations.

Simple coffee & a walk date. Definitely no hint of it being more than a 'meet and greet' due to timings and circumstances surrounding childcare. If nothing else, it'll be a good chance to get some experience in chatting up an SA girl.

Kinda' like the girl and she's right on my doorstep, so a convenient prospect. Would my fellow Brit SD's contribute something towards said childcare (babysitter) in this scenario? And what's the classy way to go about it?

No financials have been discussed.

Elvis 2008
11-14-21, 19:59
Straw poll. Does anyone believe a beautiful, doe-eyed brunette 5'2 95 lbs 19 year old with a drum-taut body is a virgin? Literally, the girl we all dream of getting into bed. The girl who would have been amongst the hottest girls at your school / college uni.

I don't. And I'm so not after a virgin.I have been with two virgins. Sexually speaking, it was way below average. Emotionally with one, it was okay. The other felt guilty and later implied she was forced even though I wanted to stop because I could not get in, and she said to keep trying.

So with your virgin question, my answer is, I guess it is possible but if were my gal, I would hope not.

Midwestern
11-15-21, 05:45
Have you guys ever been in the situation where you are just about to get laid, but then the gal says that she suddenly got her period? Happened to me twice recently. When this happens, do you guys think we are being played?

A few weeks ago, I invited an ex-SB to go on a business trip with me. As she is arriving on the train, she tells me that her period suddenly started. I was stuck with her for three nights.

Yesterday, I was meeting someone that I have had relations with in the past. When we first hooked up, she would not kiss, and I put up with this for a while, but then stopped seeing her. She asked why I stopped seeing her and I told her that I like DFK, and so she agreed to do it. After seeing her some more, I asked her if we could bareback, and she said no. So again, I stopped seeing her, but then she suddenly contacts me and wants to see me. I thought it meant that we were going to bareback for the first time, so I agreed to meet her yesterday, but during her shower, she says oh no my period came.

I think in both cases that I got played. Periods do not suddenly come. Girls have a ball park idea of their period calendar, and they also start to get moody and experience discomfort at least a couple of days before their period comes.

Anyways, just wanted to come on here to vent.

DramaFree11
11-15-21, 06:35
Have you guys ever been in the situation where you are just about to get laid, but then the gal says that she suddenly got her period? Happened to me twice recently. When this happens, do you guys think we are being played?

A few weeks ago, I invited an ex-SB to go on a business trip with me. As she is arriving on the train, she tells me that her period suddenly started. I was stuck with her for three nights.

Yesterday, I was meeting someone that I have had relations with in the past. When we first hooked up, she would not kiss, and I put up with this for a while, but then stopped seeing her. She asked why I stopped seeing her and I told her that I like DFK, and so she agreed to do it. After seeing her some more, I asked her if we could bareback, and she said no. So again, I stopped seeing her, but then she suddenly contacts me and wants to see me. I thought it meant that we were going to bareback for the first time, so I agreed to meet her yesterday, but during her shower, she says oh no my period came.

I think in both cases that I got played. Periods do not suddenly come. Girls have a ball park idea of their period calendar, and they also start to get moody and experience discomfort at least a couple of days before their period comes..Yes, this happens to me all the time in MTY, it totally sucks. Each girl handle how they handle there periods differently. This is why it important to always have a back up plan.

I love your post and feedback.

Akibono
11-15-21, 09:14
Have you guys ever been in the situation where you are just about to get laid, but then the gal says that she suddenly got her period? Happened to me twice recently. When this happens, do you guys think we are being played?

A few weeks ago, I invited an ex-SB to go on a business trip with me. As she is arriving on the train, she tells me that her period suddenly started. I was stuck with her for three nights.

Yesterday, I was meeting someone that I have had relations with in the past. When we first hooked up, she would not kiss, and I put up with this for a while, but then stopped seeing her. She asked why I stopped seeing her and I told her that I like DFK, and so she agreed to do it. After seeing her some more, I asked her if we could bareback, and she said no. So again, I stopped seeing her, but then she suddenly contacts me and wants to see me. I thought it meant that we were going to bareback for the first time, so I agreed to meet her yesterday, but during her shower, she says oh no my period came.

I think in both cases that I got played. Periods do not suddenly come. Girls have a ball park idea of their period calendar, and they also start to get moody and experience discomfort at least a couple of days before their period comes..Yes, you got played. OTOH nothing is as bad as a disinterested gal just being passive and not engaging you. Men are always at a disadvantage. Most of the time it doesn't pay to be cheap. The most expensive session is a cheap session.

NeilGeorge
11-15-21, 15:38
Have you guys ever been in the situation where you are just about to get laid, but then the gal says that she suddenly got her period? Happened to me twice recently. When this happens, do you guys think we are being played?.Yes, I had a woman who went into my hotel room bathroom and then came out an announced that her period just started and she could not have sex.

Steve 9696
11-15-21, 19:07
Yes, this happens to me all the time in MTY, it totally sucks. Each girl handle how they handle there periods differently. This is why it important to always have a back up plan.

I love your post and feedback.Going to disagree a bit. I used to worry this same thing when it's come up occasionally but I had a friend point out it's prob genuine if a girl is otherwise into you. I mean think about it. If a girl has a three day period chances are 10% your going to hit it. Pretty good odds to miss if you see her one time. But what if she's a four day girl? Unless you are tracking carefully, see her seven times and you are bound to hit it.

Last two times I thought this it was false alarm. One because I could see the string poking out. Maybe she went that far but really? I don't think she dreads sex with me that much. And the next was Kayla. Went to pic up tampons and I thought oh no. But she was on tail end and took it out and let me CIP.

I don't think a girl is going to train ride and then bail on you with chance of being sent home or put on BJ for an hour. Could be wrong. Although I will say since you fuck for hours on end maybe girls do tire of it. All the reason to get a new girl.

Midwestern
11-16-21, 10:24
I have been mongering so much this year, fucking about 1-3 times per week on average. My work is suffering big time. I even lost a work gig, and when I reflect on it, it is probably because I spent too much time mongering rather than working. I also have almost no friends now. I used to get invited out for drinks or dinner quite a lot, but whenever I have free time, I use it to monger, and now no one invites me to hang out now.

I am thinking about cutting back on my mongering. In fact, I did not fuck anyone yesterday and today, and I do not plan on fucking anyone for the rest of this week, and maybe for the rest of this month, so that I can catch up on my work.

How about you guys? You guys doing a good job balancing your monger life, work life, and personal life?

I guess my problem is that I treat mongering as my main priority, and I schedule everything else around it.

Steve 9696
11-16-21, 13:57
I have been mongering so much this year, fucking about 1-3 times per week on average. My work is suffering big time. I even lost a work gig, and when I reflect on it, it is probably because I spent too much time mongering rather than working. I also have almost no friends now. I used to get invited out for drinks or dinner quite a lot, but whenever I have free time, I use it to monger, and now no one invites me to hang out now.

I am thinking about cutting back on my mongering. In fact, I did not fuck anyone yesterday and today, and I do not plan on fucking anyone for the rest of this week, and maybe for the rest of this month, so that I can catch up on my work.

How about you guys? You guys doing a good job balancing your monger life, work life, and personal life?

I guess my problem is that I treat mongering as my main priority, and I schedule everything else around it.Normally I advise to make time for your girls life. For me it's the favorite part of my life at this point so I try to prioritize it. But in your case I'the say yes you have gone too far. I thought I was a bit of a horndog but can't imagine trying to work in 1-3 times a week (ok maybe 1 per week). In fact I saw Liz recently and will see Kayla soon. Uma was pinging me wanting to meet and I just told her I couldn't. I would have had to possibly impact work or make another excuse which would have been awkward. So I had to push her out. I am glad I did because my stress level immediately went to zero.

The good news is what one poster once said holds true. "Less sex less sex. More sex more sex". What he meant was when you are having more sex you are always wanting it. And when you have less it seems less important. I've def found this to be true. I'the suggest trying to cut back to weekly (biweekly seems a stretch) and really try to stick to it. I think the most important benefit will not only be work and home life but your stress level. I think you will be surprised how much that makes a difference.

And surprisingly I think you will adjust to the new schedule and even look forward more to your dates which can be a joy in itself.

Elvis 2008
11-16-21, 17:13
Have you guys ever been in the situation where you are just about to get laid, but then the gal says that she suddenly got her period? Happened to me twice recently. When this happens, do you guys think we are being played?
Anyways, just wanted to come on here to vent.Depending on the girl, I would often just say so what and go ahead and play. She would get a towel and put it on the bed, and I would wear a condom. As long as you do not mind the site of blood, IMO it is not that big of a deal.

Other thing is that it really is not that big of a deal at day 4 or 5 usually. Thankfully, my gal has an implant and has no periods now.

Elvis 2008
11-16-21, 17:50
I have been mongering so much this year, fucking about 1-3 times per week on average. My work is suffering big time. I even lost a work gig, and when I reflect on it, it is probably because I spent too much time mongering rather than working. I also have almost no friends now. I used to get invited out for drinks or dinner quite a lot, but whenever I have free time, I use it to monger, and now no one invites me to hang out now.

How about you guys? You guys doing a good job balancing your monger life, work life, and personal life?

I guess my problem is that I treat mongering as my main priority, and I schedule everything else around it.Honestly, MW, I was just thinking about it the other day. After I got divorced, I shifted from keeping my mongering life separate to telling people about it. For the most part, everyone was cool about it, and it was a relief to have to keep hiding. For the most part, the people in my life just wanted me to be happy.

However, I thought about a few of the women I brought with me and how ill equipped they were to deal with my friends and family and how awkward it was. The invitations trailed off, and my free time was spent mostly with my women. They all were not bad but enough of them were that the invitations started to drop off. Of course, I have been the kind who goes to parties versus staging my own.

But I will say that the time I spend with my women, especially when I went abroad, was more fun than anything I did with my friends. After my 3 some and 4 some adventures, one of my male friends said that he knew our get together with three of my oldest friends would be a letdown. I had a good time, but those adventures and having a whole month to travel the world and monger would probably rank as the second most fun month of my life.

I am not sure what you need in your life. What I realized is that it was not so much sex as fun. Again, sex can be fun but how many times is it, and how many times is it expensive and the woman is a pain in the butt? And when you are fucking too much, it can get old and is hardly any fun at all.

Even though I am with one gal, we have fun, and the sex is still amazing but the pride of conquest and the new is gone which does diminish things sexually I have to admit.

The other day though Nancy texted me, and I know she was looking for money. Even though she is great in bed, I would love to fly her and I down and see Flo in Cancun. Yes, the sex with them was great, but it was the fun that mattered the most. With Flo living down there, she probably knows more great places than ever.

I just wonder if that is what is going on with you. I was sure it was a sex deficit in my life when I strayed when married but it was a fun deficit. My ex was such a buzz kill. If you are really having fun in your monger life or your personal life, I think that is what matters. I just cannot get the concept of working hard and not playing hard too.

J Janni
11-16-21, 18:50
I'm either at work, or I'm mongering. So there's my work life balance. I can't afford to 'monger' as much as I'd like in the UK unfortunately. There is something to be said for less = more. Coming towards the end of this sex-filled leave period, it isn't as. Exciting as it was at the start. I've probably done what. 50-60 different girls (with lots of repeats) in three different countries since July. I'm enjoying the sex much more in the 'wow this gorgeous girl is letting me do this' than the 'eyes rolling into the back of my head' physical enjoyment at the start.

That being said.

Met an SA girl today. I'd set a date to meet her last week and got cold feet, actually blocked her on SA and deleted our chat on Whatsapp, so lost all the chat history. Pertinent details I recalled were 200 ppm and she was a little cagey on the condom issue ('We'll see. ') Profile was a little sparse, pictures weren't that great and videochat was hurried and hushed in a dark room. Figured I was getting set up for a scam. (Wait till I get to the meet location and am invested, ask to send taxi money, no show, try and sell videos etc). Had more or less forgotten about it until an hour before, when I got a message from her confirming. I was close by, so drove to the city. I've got lots of prospects there, so decided to grab a dayroom and if she no showed, try and get another girl or gasp. An escort.

Communication was good. Five minutes before she was due to arrive, I went down to the second lobby to collect her. Pretty good location in that the place has two entrances on two street levels. One with a reception, one without. Keycard needed to use the lifts. Can book on dayuse rooms with no ID or card details, nothing to pay up front. And signing in at reception, no ID and cash payment accepted. Pretty much a perfect ST hotel I stumbled on.

Anyway, I'm sat in the second lobby and an absolutely tiny, tight (4'10 and 90 lbs') blondie late teens / early twenties spinner walks past me to the lift. Pretty, a few blemishes though. But still very much a teen dream. I almost call out to her but I genuinely figure there's no way in hell I've been that lucky and having blocked her irreversably on SA and deleted her chat on whatsapp, I can't actually remember her name, so what the hell would I call out, "Hey, are you the girl who's going to fuck me?" So I message her instead. "I'm in the lobby. Where are you?" Blondie Spinner's phone bings. YES.

Her profile claims 19, student, height was wrong. If she isn't 19, she fooled me. I was expecting a girl of 5'4 from her profile. But as I've said before, surprise spinner is a winner! Awkward chat in the lift on the way up, just the usual bullshit.

In the room, she's straight away to stripping off. She turned up fresh, but wearing the typical student lounging around attire of sweatpants, tanktop, big hoody. I'm kind of into it, so I stop her. Snog by the bed for a while, before she asks me to sit down as she's on her tippy toes to reach me! More snogging, getting my hands all over that tight little body. Spin her around, push her down over the bed and skim her sweatpants and tiny little pink thong down. (She later revealed she has to shop in the kid's section) She's got a few tattoos on her legs, but I'm into it.

Pretty, perfect and smooth little pussy and asshole. Seems rude not to so I spend a little time rimming her and fingering her from behind. Throw her down on the bed, get the rest of her clothes off. She isn't shy about kissing me after rimming her, good girl. Kissing, teasing, exploring each other's body. Go down on her and spend an age licking that tiny, tight pussy. Moans start off rather early and fake. But I persevere and she gets much, much wetter, I can feel her clenching inside, feel her stomach muscles flexing and the moans are believable. There's no explosive moment, but when my tongue gets tired and I come up for air and ask 'How close were you?' she swears blind she came twice and says in that sexy Northern accent of hers 'you'se a dream at that. '.

Lie next to her, kissing a little while she plays with my dick. Eventually, she clambers over me and is giving me a handjob while rubbing the head of my dick on her pussy. No mention of condom and clearly it's going to be bareback at this point. Eventually, she settles down on it and I'm heaven. Take advantage of spinner status and throw her around into various positions before ending up back in cowgirl while she rides me and herself to a very convincing orgasm. Top five moments in mongering, cumming inside her. After a while, she slides off and doesn't make the classic rush to the bathroom.

Lie chatting for a while, kissing, idly playing with eachother. Poor maid is definitely not going to enjoy changing that bed. I'm playing with spinner's pussy, coaxing my jizz back out of her. We're chatting idly about SA experiences. It's quite superficial and I'm trying to discover. And still trying to discover. Why, when she's a quality of girl that, with a few decent pics on her SA profile, would be having guys willing to pay her to go on dinner dates with no guarantee of sex, she agreed to meet me, a guy clear on his intention to fuck straight away and not keen on using a condom? Maybe she was horny? Maybe she's not that bright? No idea still. But there's a saying about gift horse's and mouths. She did say at one point, "I don't know about youse, but I fuckin' love sex me. ".

Eventually, I'm getting hard again, so she goes down on me with no prompting. Beautiful, slurpy, long blowjob. Spin her around so I can feast on her asshole again and finger her pussy. After a while, I push her down and into position for reverse cowgirl. No messing about with positions again, just reverse cowgirl (she's that tiny, smallest girl I've ever been with), I can basically use her as a human fleshlight, lifting her up and down on my dick. Again, another very convincing orgasm from both of us!

Collapse next to me, more chatter and cuddling, playing. While she's gabbing away, I move her into hands and knees position to rim her (I want to remember that asshole for the rest of my life), periodically breaking off to answer or ask a question, I'm hard again, so I slip it into her pussy. Despite my and her best attempts in vigorous doggy and legs up missionary, a third pop isn't forthcoming. But as I tell her and believe. Sex is still fun, even if you don't finish. Eventually collapse into a cuddle, more superficial chat. She's showing no signs of wanting to leave. Eventually, I'm the one to say I've got stuff to do and am grabbing a shower. She does after, a kiss at the door, vague promises of meeting again and she's off after spending about three hours with me. Message her something nice after, get a lovely message back.

Take a quick nap on the non-wet spot side of the bed, give my keycard back to the receptionist who is grinning in such a way that says 'I know exactly what you were up to' and head home.

At the moment, thoroughly satiated, my interest is being piqued only by pussy pastures anew. I've got a coffee date with the girl I've got great banter with and who has a certain 'I don't know what' sexiness about her, lots of other girls keen to meet (one curvy 'proper curvy, not fat but puts curvy' 23 year old who's into anal and is that keen / desperate to meet, she's dropped her asking price 100).

But that'll change by next week. Going to try and abstain (other than the not ending in sex coffee date) for the sake of enjoying it more and my bank balance, but I can pretty much guarantee I'll be trying to see blondie spinner again.

Though on the 'why me' front. Out of curiosity yesterday, I made a blank female account on SA to see what the 'competition' was up to in a 50 mile radius. Other than a couple of very obviously very, very wealthy guys (helictopers, supercars and yacht types) with well put together profiles that all the girls would be competing for, the rest of the profiles were barely literate with a single picture (think overweight, unkempt thinning hair or bald but not shaved, scruffy neckbeard, ratty old fleece with crumbs on it) that wouldn't look out of place under a headline of 'Local nonce jailed for fifteen years. '.

So maybe that answers the question of why me.

Steve 9696
11-17-21, 00:34
Dude so your first SA experience is bareback with a hot spinner! Nice way to get your SA groove on!

J Janni
11-17-21, 09:16
Dude so your first SA experience is bareback with a hot spinner! Nice way to get your SA groove on!Second girl I've met from SA, first that I'd call an actual 'SA' experience.

I think what gave it that intangible 'SA' quality I was looking for was; she was a little nervous at first, she was actually wearing clothes (escorts in the UK hate wearing clothes, see enough, you get sick of the sight of a girl in cheap lingerie answering the door. Much more fun to slowly get her clothes off), the being in control of the progression of events (the other girl was an experienced escort who stage managed everything very slickly). And the indefinite time limit.

Don't get me wrong. She wasn't a nubile, elegant and intelligent student you'd see yourself wine and dining to get into her knickers. Think 'trashy hot' chav teen you'd bend over in a nightclub toilet and you'll get the vibe.

But I am totally into that vibe.

Steve 9696
11-17-21, 15:43
Thanks Janni, in addition to the FR on your adventures, for a new word. Uniquely British no doubt like "bespoke" or "bollocks". Had to lookup "chav". Great word tho very funny that we needed a word for that! Enjoy those chavs buddy!

Steve 9696
11-18-21, 18:16
I love Janni's recent coining of the phrase "he got escorted" meaning a WG posing as an SA girl. As he delves into the London scene I thought this FR from early 2020 right before Covid might be a fun read. This is surely the only time I've met a girl at my room and she wasn't an escort. Just wanting to be discrete. LOL. Anyhow a ton of fun in good old London. Enjoy!

London Calling. Chrystal Birthday Surprise.

So even though the pro scene in London is wonderful (see the London chapter for the rest of those adventures), the SA scene seems very solid and I hit a home run recently.

As previously described, I look for girls that have less experience on the site and are more about the experience than high $$. This way you get a "real girl" not a pro. I guess I started working London two weeks back and had some quality engagement. I had probably 6-8 girls who engaged on WhatsApp, which are very strong numbers.

I was taking a very aggressive opening like "I'm going dancing in Soho on Wednesday want to join me?" And the hook rate was much higher than normal. I know from Nanpa, that girls want a strong lead, but also maybe they are tired of endless SA chat and ready to rumble. In any case, I'the say I moved Suspects to Prospects at about 70-80% success rate, which is super high. So I might try this more in the future.

Had several girls signed up but eventually had to put them off when a late-comer I'the written off, suddenly appeared. Wow! Super pretty Viet. And a really nice balanced chat. Each was prepared to walk away at various points and, as we discussed later, this confidence was alluring in both directions. We agreed a couple days in advance to meet up and I kept her warm with texts in the meantime.

It was quite an unusual meetup because she wanted to come straight to my room. But just for talk and wine and then see where it goes. This was odd because she's clearly not an escort even more clear now but she didn't want to be seen in public with a stranger. (Ok legit but unusual and pretty ballsy).

Stranger yet, she is 22 years old, but she turns 23 today -- yes today is her birthday and she chose to spend it in my hotel room! Now, it might seem strange for a 22 year old to spend their birthday with an older man in his hotel room. But I did the exact same thing with Thiffany a year earlier. What are the odds that I would get to spend a 23rd birthday with not one, but two hotties in London? Mind boggling.

So she shows at my door and she is drop dead fucking gorgeous. Her pictures do not do her justice. Skin-tight leather pants, spike heeled boots and a face that melts me. OMFG. So we sit on the edge of the bed (it's a tiny London room) and have some wine and just chat. She is super chatty and has a strong Liverpool accent! It is soooo strange to see it coming out of her Viet mouth! She is adopted so no trace of Asian accent.

Fuck if we didn't kill a whole bottle of Rose and TWO HOURS just chatting. It completely flew by! Obviously she's a chatty girl but I could just look at her face for hours. So I did!

So with that amount of chat, this is going to be one slow buildup still not sure if she is DTF (down to fuck), despite being in my room; but I am enjoying every second. Throughout chatting, I am doing light touch escalation, which comes naturally to me. But there is no obvious break where a kiss makes sense. Fortunately, fate intervenes, in the form of her mother. LOL.

As we are chatting amiably, she gets "the birthday call" from her mom and she takes it without missing a beat. So here I am sitting next to this soon-to-be 23 year old on my bed, hopefully about to fuck, as she chats with her mom two feet away. You CANNOT make this shit up.

Well this turns out to be the perfect opportunity to escalate, which I do without even thinking about it. So being a bit bored as she chats on and on, I start unzipping and taking off one of her leather boots. She offers the other foot as she chats away and I take off the other boot, putting both aside.

As she wraps the call with her mom, she excuses herself to the bathroom. When she comes back, I've moved cross-legged further up the bed and she joins me likewise. And at some point I transition it to laying down side by side, me on my back and her on her front.

We continue to chat, but the mechanics of our position-change now leave only about six inches between our faces. At some point I am inspired and close the gap and kiss her. Pretty light exploratory stuff. She continues chatting on after I break. (did I mention she's chatty?) But at some point SHE'S inspired and leans in and kisses me! Well now I engage and open her mouth for full-on tongue mackin engagement which gets the party started.

I work her onto her back and start grinding on top of her while making out. I love this dominance and it seems to get girls equally worked up. She's got on a halter top with a bra under. Again going very slow, I start massaging her tits through the halter and then work my way down licking and biting her naked midriff and even exploring a bit below her waistband with my tongue. This must be the ticket, because she sits up and pulls off her bra and top.

So I work her fabulous firm be cups quite a bit. She likes squeezing and circles and nipple sucking. I again start on her tummy still not knowing if she is DTF or we are just going to play around on this first date. And I reach up to her waistband and start pulling down her tight leather pants. Well her panties come with, but she pulls her panties back up! I am not sure what to make of this; but I am undeterred and will work around this obstacle!

I start by just lick-sucking in that magical little hollow juncture of thigh and body to the left and right of her panties and she starts to grind. Still unsure if I am going to get a "halt" from her, I slide the panties gently to the side and start softly working her clit. OK now I have her going.

She starts to coo and moan and eventually builds to a substantial O. But I am not done and neither is she, as she quickly starts another build. I tentatively slip a finger inside she's super tight but sopping wet. And some clit and gspot work is on. She is a hot wet mess and feels awesome and man does she love the combo tongue and finger work. She is a complete goner. She has at least 2 more Os. And these are not fake escort Os. This is the real deal with a real girl and this makes SA completely awesome!!

Honestly, I would be satisfied to stop right here. I absolutely love to take a sorta shy real girl and get her worked into some crashing Os. Very much like SA virgin Megan in NYC. It's tough work but someone's got to do it!

So we cuddle side by side a bit as she recovers and she says "So should I suck you now?" God I love these fresh new girls. And the answer is absolutely, baby. So we get my boxers off and down she goes. She's quite good on mouth on shaft, but like many SAs I meet, needs some direction to do more licking and ball sucking. To her credit she dives right in and does a quite epic job.

After a good bit of that (I don't blow my stack because I was with Diva escort, Mermaid, just a few hours before) she comes up for air and we are side by side. Again, believe it or not, I am still questioning if she is DTF or we are going to stop short here. She asks me what I'm thinking and I say I'm thinking I want to do more other stuff (don't know why I am quite so circumspect LOL) and she says you mean have sex? And I say absolutely! So we suit up. Yay!

A lot of girls like to start on top to control first penetration. I'm a pretty thick guy and she is super tight so this would be a good idea. But instead she rolls on her back and we start in mish. I definitely have to go slow and less than full engagement till we get the fit going and then it's slippery slide time! Wow.

We do some great mish and cowgirl fuck she's a fine sight riding high! Doggie with me standing at the edge of the bed. Pretty much everything. I show her the Andy pillow under the butt position and we get her legs up on my shoulders, me on my knees, and wow fuck she likes that. She goes through two more crashing Os. Honestly I think she would fuck forever, but I'm getting pretty tired!

Even though she feels great, the condom isn't going to get it done and we go back to BBBJ which feels heavenly. Nonetheless I prove perilously hard to finish. She soldiers on, which I LOVE and we finish me hand-on-shaft and her on BLS. She's not afraid to dive quite a ways down there and it feels wonderful. Eventually I shoot a hard shot on my stomach. Wow!

So we pillow talk some more what a great girl. And at some point she asks the time she knows I have a dinner thing (actually I'm seeing Hanna. What a horn dog! I say it's coming up 7 and she is like OMG I thought it was like 5 pm! Seriously. She has been so taken with the whirlwind of our adventure that time has flown by and that makes me feel like a million bucks.

Indeed we continue chatting in a naked cuddle for another half hour, spending 4. 5 hours together in the room! And really she only leaves because she knows I have to go. We wrap it up with a parting kiss and agree we MUST spend time together when I am back in London and likely even hit the town a bit now that I'm not a stranger! Wow what a girl!

This brings me to the other great thing about SA. It's a relationship if you are lucky. Yes NSA, but a relationship nonetheless and it continues past the sex. So the following week we chat a little here and there on WhatsApp -- you know, the sexy flirt chat stuff -- and I float the idea of a weekend in Zurich and she is totally down for it. We are literally planning the weekend and the flights. Had Covid not intervened, it might have been the best weekend of my life. Instead, I will have to have that with Alexa in Miami a few months later.

We continue to this day to stay in light touch on WhatsApp. Shes always in an evening dress with champagne nearby. Shes involved in the London fashion scene somehow. Still feel like the luckiest guy in the world to have bedded this goddess and I hope to see her in London or make that Zurich trip some time.

J Janni
11-21-21, 14:38
Loved that 'flashback' Steve. Definitely an SA experience I'd love to have. I intend to add SA to my mongering repetoire when I'm in a country where using it 'properly' is a little more within my budget.

Not in London though, so my experiences of SA may be different from my Southern brethren. I'm ideally placed between Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham. Can get to all three within about an hour. Cities with lots of poor areas and students. So, kind of perfect for me.

I've got two girls I'm currently interested in (well, three technically.) A lapdancer who is offering an oily, full naked lapdance as part of the arrangement. And a profile with two girls (been on there a few months, I think the scammers / sellers get picked up quickly) who are offering a bisexual BBFSCIP threesome.

My kind of trashy girls but certain they're all escorts. To be honest, the way I'm using SA isn't really practical for most unless you've got all the time in the world like I have to deal with the flakes, fake profiles, video sellers etc.

J Janni
11-21-21, 23:30
So, just about to ban myself from SA for a while with my plans for this week sorted (shit is addictive, spending all day getting girls chatting you up.) I get a message from a nearby girl, again, not great pictures. Just blurry, don't show much. Profile claims 19 and 5'0. Take the conversation to Whatsapp. Get sent some pictures and videos. Black hair, sultry brown eyes, olive skin. Tight as a drum all over. She looks Bulgarian / Romanian. Literally stunning. Confirmed with a quick videocall she's actually the girl in the pictures and is English.

She's less than an hour away. I have a meet set with her on Wednesday, at a cheap hotel (her suggestion.) £100 for a 'couple of hours' and BBFSCIP. She's too lovely, it's too cheap and it was too easy.

It's definitely my project for the week, my 'punt' (in both senses of the word.) I'm 90% sure I'll get a flake, transport scam, whatever.

But maybe. Just maybe, lightning will strike twice!

Steve 9696
11-22-21, 02:02
So on the transactional end of the spectrum Janni got "escorted" and on the far end I got "girlfriended" one night. And I don't mean in the good sense. Overall Kayla and I had a spectacular few days and great period sex (never done a lot of that not as messy as I expected). And honestly for being on her period she was pretty fun. But one night she was pretty bitchy. Dinner went great but after that we got lost for a long time and lost our buzzes and things just kinda sucked the rest of the night. You could tell she was in a bad mood and little I could do about it.

We ended up packing it in without even having sex! What? Yeah I could just tell it wouldn't be good given her mood. She apologized the next morning and we had some great sober brunch sex. But it made me think about the two ends of spectrum here. No I am not being escorted but I am at the far end of the spectrum now with Kayla where not every day is a good day and I have to play a bit of supportive boyfriend. I got girlfriended! LOL.

Totally worth it but there is a certain appeal to those one and two night stands where you avoid getting too familiar or comfortable.

Ps I had previously declared her body a ten and I am sticking with it. Shes never satisfied and has been toning her abs further. Omg her body is just perfect. I am not a huge fan of cowgirl but it is absolutely breathtaking to watch her ride.

KingOfPoverty
11-22-21, 04:28
I just got back from Cartagena and I tried out SA for the first time in that city. Sure the P4 P is more prominent there, but having used SA for the better part of a year it is my preferred way to meet girls who provide a satisfying GFE. I've tried straightforward P4P and these encounters are not as satisfying and rarely ever get me in the mood. One amazing session per day that hits all my emotional triggers beats out several sessions with clock-watchers for me. I'm impressed some of you guys have multiple sessions in a day, even with the best sugar babies I can only have two sessions. Mongering in the US is not an option since I have a lot to lose so all my adventures are in locations where the scene is legal. Since I can only make about 3 week-long trips a year, I do my best to reconnect with past contacts when I make a return.

For my Cartagena excursion I used my typical campaign by messaging three weeks preceding the trip to screen for good company and ultimately connected with two amazing girls in their early 20's who agreed to stay with me 2 days each for less than $100 a day. Essentially the time was ecstasy since we dined, toured the city, and had amazing BBFS whenever we made it back to the hotel room. They still text me and want me to return, but schedule wise it is not feasible for at least another 6 months. I had somewhat similar luck in Tijuana, but not to the same GFE or attentiveness as in Cartagena so I extrapolate different cities offer different SA experiences.

Although Tijuana is more practical for my tight schedule, I will make sure to save Colombia for longer vacations since the experience was so life affirming. Do you veterans have any suggestions about other destinations that could replicate my time in Cartagena? I would love to find girls who I can wife up for a couple days and have the time of my life. Been trying to do this in Mexico but it seems only a few of the girls I've met do overnights. I have been contemplating trying this out in Medellin, Bogota, Lima, or Guadalajara to start. Focus is in Latin America since I can speak above average Spanish and I like the attractions there. Since I only make 3 trips a year I try to keep the budget at $4-5 k for all trip expenses so I assume money will not be a barrier for any suggested destinations.

Midwestern
11-22-21, 10:05
Steve, you made a comment a couple of weeks ago that really hit home for me. You said something like you don't like to fly too close to the flame because it can be depressing to get close to their real lives. Maybe you are getting too close with Kayla?

I recently saw an ex SB from a couple of years ago. Today, we met for sex and lunch. The sex was great, but a part of me was not into it, and that's because I know her life very well, and it is mostly a sad and tough life. So even though she was in a good mood, I was sad when I was with her.

It goes the other way around too. I used to have a great SB GF that lasted for almost 10 years. But for some stupid reason, I recently started to tell her about my life, especially some difficult aspects to it. And now, she knows me very well. And so, the last time that I saw her, the sex was not amazing nor magical. It was much better when we just treated each other like fuck toys and objects.

Knowing that there's a real person underneath their flesh somehow kills the thrill for me. I thought by knowing each other, it would make the sex more magical and more loving, but man, I was totally wrong.

And it is not just about sex gettting stale with the same person. I now realize that if I barely know the person, then I can fuck her for years. But once I get to know them, I lose interest fast.

Man, I am being so philosophical today, LOL.


Overall Kayla and I had a spectacular few days and great period sex (never done a lot of that not as messy as I expected). And honestly for being on her period she was pretty fun. But one night she was pretty bitchy. Dinner went great but after that we got lost for a long time and lost our buzzes and things just kinda sucked the rest of the night. You could tell she was in a bad mood and little I could do about it.

We ended up packing it in without even having sex! What? Yeah I could just tell it wouldn't be good given her mood. She apologized the next morning and we had some great sober brunch sex. But it made me think about the two ends of spectrum here. No I am not being escorted but I am at the far end of the spectrum now with Kayla where not every day is a good day and I have to play a bit of supportive boyfriend. I got girlfriended! LOL.

Totally worth it but there is a certain appeal to those one and two night stands where you avoid getting too familiar or comfortable.

CarloRogue
11-24-21, 01:58
Good day Gentlemen, do any of you have a subscription promo code? They usually run a black Friday deal and I haven't seen it yet (although they seem to distribute it selectively). Happy to pass one along if it hits my own inbox. Much obliged. CR.

NapataJohn
11-24-21, 03:10
Good day Gentlemen, do any of you have a subscription promo code? They usually run a black Friday deal and I haven't seen it yet (although they seem to distribute it selectively). Happy to pass one along if it hits my own inbox. Much obliged. CR.Cannot verify if if it is correct.

https://www.ultimatecoupons.com/coupons/seeking_arrangement_coupons.htm?coupon=1844029

Elvis 2008
11-24-21, 04:38
Do you veterans have any suggestions about other destinations that could replicate my time in Cartagena? I would love to find girls who I can wife up for a couple days and have the time of my life. Been trying to do this in Mexico but it seems only a few of the girls I've met do overnights. I have been contemplating trying this out in Medellin, Bogota, Lima, or Guadalajara to start. Focus is in Latin America since I can speak above average Spanish and I like the attractions there. Since I only make 3 trips a year I try to keep the budget at $4-5 k for all trip expenses so I assume money will not be a barrier for any suggested destinations.So Lima is double the cost of just about everything in Colombia and Mexico. When you get to Lima in the winter (our summer), everyone there is sick of the cold and grey. If you advertised a trip to the beach in Mancora (you fly to Piura and then rent a car), you would have a lot of takers. Thing is that you would probably want to spend a few days interviewing your best candidates in Lima. The major plus is I loved the Mancora region. It is not really a place to swim but the beach there is just pure beauty, some of the best sunsets I have ever seen. Lima is a cool place, but any more than one week there would be pushing it. If you go, make sure you swim with the seals.

I had no luck with SA in Guadalajara. What is interesting there though is Puerto Vallarta is only a 4 hour drive away. I actually think with Mexico you find the women in Mexico City and Monterrey and then bring them to the beach. I could hang out a week in Mexico City. You cannot be bored there. But unless I am seeing multiple women, Monterrey gets old fast. Mexico City is actually the place in Mexico I suggest you go to use SA with what you are looking for. It has the best of everything in Mexico including women.

Bogota and Medellin are by far the two cities I have had the most luck with SA. Thing is Bogota is often gray, cloudy, rainy, and cold. The women in Medellin are slightly more attractive, and if I had to stay a week I would opt for Medellin due to the climate, but the women in Bogota are IMO friendlier, less materialistic, and more real. Medellin has a ton to do in and around the city. Bogota would get old after a week.

The other place where I had a lot of luck with SA is Barranquilla. I would shop for a woman there and then head to Santa Marta. Santa Marta has better beaches than Cartagena and I could stay there a week at the right resort. It is only 2 hours away by bus. IMO the best looking and performing women in Colombia are the costenas or coastal girls. There is not the number of women on SA in Barranquilla or Santa Marta but the three women I have been with from there were 8 to 10's in and out of the bedroom. They are incredibly sexual.

Elvis 2008
11-24-21, 04:59
Knowing that there's a real person underneath their flesh somehow kills the thrill for me. I thought by knowing each other, it would make the sex more magical and more loving, but man, I was totally wrong.

And it is not just about sex gettting stale with the same person. I now realize that if I barely know the person, then I can fuck her for years. But once I get to know them, I lose interest fast.

Man, I am being so philosophical today, LOL.Yeah, MW, in the USA, when I got to know a SB, I wanted to keep it at kind of the formal but friendly layer because let us be honest, if you are a hot chick, you are kind of a fuck up if you have to do SA. And if they are not fuck ups, then they have a mental illness. Steve's gal clearly has body dysmorphic disorder (which pares with OCD with its horrible anxiety) and God knows what pissed her off. Maybe she got a glimpse in the mirror and did not like what she saw. Maybe he tried to be helpful versus supportive (Do you think your headache may be due to that nail honey? Yeah, Steve, I saw the video, hilarious!) So once you get to see what the women are really like, it is a definite turnoff.

I remember one SB saying she would cut her BF's dick off if he caught him cheating on her, and I remember saying that she was cheating too, and she said, "I am not." I guess she did not consider sex with me as cheating. LOL.

Thing is that the character of the women are better in other countries but I think if they get too comfortable, they think they do not have to perform sexually. I had an issue with this when I went monthly with American SA women and that is why I went to pure pay per meet.

CarloRogue
11-24-21, 23:12
Cannot verify if if it is correct.

https://www.ultimatecoupons.com/coupons/seeking_arrangement_coupons.htm?coupon=1844029Thanks for trying, but that one didn't work. Just got one in my inbox a few hours ago for 25% off, however. I had taken a bit of a break, but ready to jump back into the bowl. Lots of good reports on the forum to catch up with too.

J Janni
11-25-21, 11:35
Met my dusky skinned, black haired, brown eyed nubile teen nymphet today. 19 years old but I literally had to run out into the car park to ID her before she came in. Extremely youthful looking. Tiny and tight all over.

Misread her as sweet and naïve. Naïve, yes but another trashy hot chav but this one with an enthralling combination of sweetness and slutty worldliness.

Don't get these girls. She could be on AdultWork in a schoolgirl outfit offering covered blowjobs at £100 per half hour and making bank. Instead, she's in a cheap motel room with me for 3 hours (my time limit, I had to kick her out) for the same money BBFSCIP.

I've often wondered how to access semi-pro / just need a bit of short term cash girls in the UK. It seems the answer is SA.

I must have done something right because as I was driving home, she was already messaging me about meeting again.

Midwestern
11-25-21, 12:11
Yeah, MW, in the USA, when I got to know a SB, I wanted to keep it at kind of the formal but friendly layer because let us be honest, if you are a hot chick, you are kind of a fuck up if you have to do SA. And if they are not fuck ups, then they have a mental illness. Steve's gal clearly has body dysmorphic disorder (which pares with OCD with its horrible anxiety) and God knows what pissed her off. Maybe she got a glimpse in the mirror and did not like what she saw. Maybe he tried to be helpful versus supportive (Do you think your headache may be due to that nail honey? Yeah, Steve, I saw the video, hilarious!) So once you get to see what the women are really like, it is a definite turnoff.

Thing is that the character of the women are better in other countries but I think if they get too comfortable, they think they do not have to perform sexually. I had an issue with this when I went monthly with American SA women and that is why I went to pure pay per meet.Yep, I totally agree. Before I was on SA, I did not have a high opinion of our company's secretaries. But after I was on SA and met all those fuckups on there, I then totally respected our company's secretaries. Unlike the gals on SA, the secretaries showed up to work on time every day, they got their work done, they did not do drugs, they raised their kids pretty well, they had some savings, they paid their bills on time, they went on vacations, they were responsible, etc.

I dated on SB for over a month, and I thought, wow, this person is totally normal. But then we went on a trip together and I realized what a huge disaster she was. I tried to get to know other SBs too, but eventually, I decided that getting to them that well was going down the wrong path.

If I could find an SB that I could get drunk with and fuck, that was perfect. Nothing more.

Steve 9696
11-25-21, 13:50
Met my dusky skinned, black haired, brown eyed nubile teen nymphet today. 19 years old but I literally had to run out into the car park to ID her before she came in. Extremely youthful looking. Tiny and tight all over.

Misread her as sweet and nave. Nave, yes but another trashy hot chav but this one with an enthralling combination of sweetness and slutty worldliness.

Don't get these girls. She could be on AdultWork in a schoolgirl outfit offering covered blowjobs at 100 per half hour and making bank. Instead, she's in a cheap motel room with me for 3 hours (my time limit, I had to kick her out) for the same money BBFSCIP.

I've often wondered how to access semi-pro / just need a bit of short term cash girls in the UK. It seems the answer is SA.

I must have done something right because as I was driving home, she was already messaging me about meeting again.That is so awesome J! You are the new king of SA. It's a good question about why she "does more for less" and I think Uma may have provided the answer. Even though she's at the other end of the spectrum - late stage medical student who clearly doesn't need to be doing this - she said one reason she does it is because it's naughty. And she's always dressing super slutty for dates which clearly draws attention. She loves sex and likes being naughty.

Think your gal may be the same way. She'd say condoms are for pussys and losers and she loves sex. The dirtier and seedier the better. So the 100 is kind of a side benefit and adds to the naughtiness. Least that's my theory.

DramaFree11
11-25-21, 20:10
Yep, I totally agree. Before I was on SA, I did not have a high opinion of our company's secretaries. But after I was on SA and met all those fuckups on there, I then totally respected our company's secretaries. Unlike the gals on SA, the secretaries showed up to work on time every day, they got their work done, they did not do drugs, they raised their kids pretty well, they had some savings, they paid their bills on time, they went on vacations, they were responsible, etc.

I dated on SB for over a month, and I thought, wow, this person is totally normal. But then we went on a trip together and I realized what a huge disaster she was. I tried to get to know other SBs too, but eventually, I decided that getting to them that well was going down the wrong path.

If I could find an SB that I could get drunk with and fuck, that was perfect. Nothing more.Yep, sad, but so true. It is so sad how messed up American women are. The more I travel abroad, I realize just how F. Up American Chicks are.

Steve 9696
11-27-21, 03:24
Yep, I totally agree. Before I was on SA, I did not have a high opinion of our company's secretaries. But after I was on SA and met all those fuckups on there, I then totally respected our company's secretaries. Unlike the gals on SA, the secretaries showed up to work on time every day, they got their work done, they did not do drugs, they raised their kids pretty well, they had some savings, they paid their bills on time, they went on vacations, they were responsible, etc.

I dated on SB for over a month, and I thought, wow, this person is totally normal. But then we went on a trip together and I realized what a huge disaster she was. I tried to get to know other SBs too, but eventually, I decided that getting to them that well was going down the wrong path.

If I could find an SB that I could get drunk with and fuck, that was perfect. Nothing more.Yeah I am of two minds on this topic. First I got to say there are some pretty smart and ambitious girls in the SA mix. Maybe I am just good at finding them. In addition to my medical student two of my fave SBs are ambitiously working on side businesses while working full time. Recently I've been helping them with some branding and logos and website stuff. On the one hand that is getting way to close to their real lives. On the other hand I really enjoy doing it. And they are so swamped with the basics of producing product that the little help I provide here is soooo appreciated.

That said I think Kayla and I are growing a little too comfy. It just feels a little too easy and formulaic now. I mean I should just be grateful but that itching caveman inside of me wants to seduce someone else! And I miss my two hours a day on SA! I've got 3 local girls want to fuck me next week and one I want to fuck in addition to them (never quite bedded her). And Kayla when I travel. So no need to be on SA but frankly I miss it! And the first date seduction. We will see what a good boy I can be. Or not…

Akibono
11-27-21, 03:45
Yeah I am of two minds on this topic. First I got to say there are some pretty smart and ambitious girls in the SA mix. Maybe I am just good at finding them. In addition to my medical student two of my fave SBs are ambitiously working on side businesses while working full time. Recently I've been helping them with some branding and logos and website stuff. On the one hand that is getting way to close to their real lives. On the other hand I really enjoy doing it. And they are so swamped with the basics of producing product that the little help I provide here is soooo appreciated.

That said I think Kayla and I are growing a little too comfy. It just feels a little too easy and formulaic now. I mean I should just be grateful but that itching caveman inside of me wants to seduce someone else! And I miss my two hours a day on SA! I've got 3 local girls want to fuck me next week and one I want to fuck in addition to them (never quite bedded her). And Kayla when I travel. So no need to be on SA but frankly I miss it! And the first date seduction. We will see what a good boy I can be. Or notThis is an interesting SA question. How many girls are just looking for an occasional paying date vs. Girls that use SA to pay their expenses. If a girl can command a high rate, it may make sense for her to have many clients. What is their price? Let's say a gal can make 500 ppm. She would probably need to do at least one meet per week to make sense. That would be one guy paying 2 K or four guys each paying 500. That nets her 24000 without any taxes. Is that enough for a student? I think your soon to be doctor is an interesting case. Given the super high costs, she is incurring some significant debts and I am not sure she can afford time away from her studies. It sounds more like you are an interesting alternative to dating because she has so little free time. OTOH, there are gals that don't have such a demanding schedule and can actually pay their way through school, but it would require a lot more time or much more generous SDs. I always forget how young they are and how little they know about real life. But that is also a reason why they are attractive.

Akibono
11-27-21, 06:16
Yep, I totally agree. Before I was on SA, I did not have a high opinion of our company's secretaries. But after I was on SA and met all those fuckups on there, I then totally respected our company's secretaries. Unlike the gals on SA, the secretaries showed up to work on time every day, they got their work done, they did not do drugs, they raised their kids pretty well, they had some savings, they paid their bills on time, they went on vacations, they were responsible, etc.

I dated on SB for over a month, and I thought, wow, this person is totally normal. But then we went on a trip together and I realized what a huge disaster she was. I tried to get to know other SBs too, but eventually, I decided that getting to them that well was going down the wrong path.

If I could find an SB that I could get drunk with and fuck, that was perfect. Nothing more.You are quite correct. Sex work comes with a lot of stigma in this country. The girls who are willing to take that risk do not think long term. They either cannot get their act together (I. E. Show up at a job on time on a regular basis or have emotional disciple) or want the benefits of wealth without being willing to work for it. If they are attractive, they can manipulate to get what they want. People who are successful either have a laser focus and / or have the tolerance to put up with shit until they are successful.

ManchesterLad1
11-28-21, 01:39
Sign up and at then I go to pay for premium and I am instantly banned, I read there support that if you bank shows something like 8 watch or other things then that is why you were banned, but that is not showing in my accounts. I've tried multiple cards, emails and devices with the same results. Any insights? Thank you!

Elvis 2008
11-28-21, 22:42
Sign up and at then I go to pay for premium and I am instantly banned, I read there support that if you bank shows something like 8 watch or other things then that is why you were banned, but that is not showing in my accounts. I've tried multiple cards, emails and devices with the same results. Any insights? Thank you!ML, I think you need to understand what SA is fighting and what American law is. Prostitution is the exchange of anything of value for sex or the expectation of sex. The goal then should be to offer up money but not directly doing so and try to morph your exchange into something that a potential boyfriend may do with a potential girlfriend. Also, do not offer to fly a woman or pay for travel on the first meet as that could be seen as trafficking.

From what I have found SA gives you more latitude in other countries where prostitution is legal, but even then I have not come out and said $200 for sex. What I have said is that I do not pay for sex, but if I have enjoyed the company of a woman from this site, and I have given them gifts. Usually the women get it but you do have the morons who say, "You mean you are not going to pay me?" and then I give up on them. I don't want to meet someone so stupid. Occasionally, I will define what prostitution actually is. At times, the women will ask how much in gifts and if I am really interested in the girl, I may offer up how much previous gifts have been but whenever you hear the question "how much?" the woman is a pure ho and I usually am not interested. The key is not to offer anything but hint at what they will get.

Of course, the women are interested in money and we are interested in sex, but I have found if it is 100% transactional, the sex is not as good. Using SA to find pros is usually disappointing, and the lower the percentage that is transactional IMO the better. The best dates I have had have been when a price has not been discussed.

The easiest way to get attention is to throw out a $ figure, but it is likely to get you banned. To me, if you show understanding of American prostitution and trafficking laws, and you type them up in your responses to women, your chances of getting banned IMO go way down.

I could be wrong, and what I am saying may have just been a lucky coincidence, but that has been what has worked for me.

Steve 9696
11-29-21, 04:09
I am forever learning the lingo and trappings of the 23 year old female. I came to love Doja Cat thru my girls and I'm always learning a thing or two. The other day Kayla said she had to get "snatched". Wtf? Kidnapped? Get her snatch waxed? What?

No it just means to get fixed up and look extra fine. Kids. Go figure. So another one is don't ever reply with "K". I do this all the time when I text with people my age. So the other day Kayla tells me please don't K her. That K is when you are mad at someone — kinda like "whatever". When she said his I thought — oh right she's said that before. But nope. I happened on a text from Sarah since she has come back into my life and we are rekindling. I was reviewing old texts and found she said the same thing!

Don't K your girl! It's disrespectful. I am sure I will learn something new tomorrow. They keep me young!

Midwestern
11-29-21, 07:09
Apparently, when you text "goodnight" to a gal, it means that you are tired of texting them and want to shut them down for the night, especially if it is before 11 pm. LOL.

One annoying thing that I have found with young people is that if I do not reply to their text right away, then they get mad at me or think I am ignoring them. I tell them that I do not look at my phone all the time, and they think that is totally a lie, when in fact it is the truth. And so when we get into a fight about it, I ask them if their parents look at their phones all the time, and they say of course not because their parents are old. And then I remind them that I am way closer to their parents' age than their age, and suddenly I can see the realization hit them. LOL, man.


I am forever learning the lingo and trappings of the 23 year old female. I came to love Doja Cat thru my girls and I'm always learning a thing or two. The other day Kayla said she had to get "snatched". Wtf? Kidnapped? Get her snatch waxed? What?

No it just means to get fixed up and look extra fine. Kids. Go figure. So another one is don't ever reply with "K". I do this all the time when I text with people my age. So the other day Kayla tells me please don't K her. That K is when you are mad at someone kinda like "whatever". When she said his I thought oh right she's said that before. But nope. I happened on a text from Sarah since she has come back into my life and we are rekindling. I was reviewing old texts and found she said the same thing!

Don't K your girl! It's disrespectful. I am sure I will learn something new tomorrow. They keep me young!

DramaFree11
11-29-21, 08:39
Apparently, when you text "goodnight" to a gal, it means that you are tired of texting them and want to shut them down for the night, especially if it is before 11 pm. LOL.

One annoying thing that I have found with young people is that if I do not reply to their text right away, then they get mad at me or think I am ignoring them. I tell them that I do not look at my phone all the time, and they think that is totally a lie, when in fact it is the truth. And so when we get into a fight about it, I ask them if their parents look at their phones all the time, and they say of course not because their parents are old. And then I remind them that I am way closer to their parents' age than their age, and suddenly I can see the realization hit them. LOL, man.Yes, you are correct the some are quick to get mad if you do not reply immediately, but most of the time those girls are going to be high maintenance. So it is probably for the best, just to move on.

Steve 9696
11-29-21, 17:51
So I know at least one person chimed in here and said "don't do it" and I have to admit I don't like my balls sticking to my thighs like they tend to do now. But I am thoroughly convinced my girls are giving me MUCH better ball licking and sucking action than before. As I posited I think a lot of these girls are bi and love eating pussy so a naked ball sack they can really get into. It's no longer "ah yeah some ball sucking" but really sloppy lavishing attention. The difference is noticeable.

So now to the recommendations. I tried Nair and ouch fuck. Even the gentle aloe stuff burned my balls bad. They were squeaky clean but not sure it was worth it. Always been afraid to go under the blade and nick myself but someone recommended Venus. Yes yes yes. This totally works! The big blade guards prevent angling improperly and catching a blade. Smooth sailing.

Highly recommend — shaving. And with Venus. All geared up for some amazing BLS!

Steve 9696
11-29-21, 19:43
So this has happened with two hookers I used to see in London. First was Melty with Diva. Total goddess. Next thing you know she is gone and posting pics of sports cars and boats from around the globe. Good for her.

Next down is Hannah. The spicy Thai wildcat. She's been posting for 6 months now from $2000/ night hotels and $500/ meal restaurants. I mean places I couldn't even afford the appetizers. And now she just posted a virtual rendering of a hair salon she hopes to open in Thailand. Wow. Landed the mega whale.

I am surprised more of these girls don't figure this out. If they are pretty and sexy they can land a guy with mega bucks and live on a yacht in the Mediterranean. Anyhow I am super happy for them and wish them the best!

Akibono
11-29-21, 23:12
So this has happened with two hookers I used to see in London. First was Melty with Diva. Total goddess. Next thing you know she is gone and posting pics of sports cars and boats from around the globe. Good for her.

Next down is Hannah. The spicy Thai wildcat. She's been posting for 6 months now from $2000/ night hotels and $500/ meal restaurants. I mean places I couldn't even afford the appetizers. And now she just posted a virtual rendering of a hair salon she hopes to open in Thailand. Wow. Landed the mega whale.

I am surprised more of these girls don't figure this out. If they are pretty and sexy they can land a guy with mega bucks and live on a yacht in the Mediterranean. Anyhow I am super happy for them and wish them the best!I think it is more about knowing how to do it and finding a target rich environment. You have to enjoy sex and being with someone older. Those gals have got game and they were motivated. Too many seem to think their looks alone is enough. The downside is these relationship do not last. Guys like variety and new. You have to be much better than average and be pleasant to be around. Divas need not apply unless your work in the agency. OTOH they have to navigate the pimp trap.

Midwestern
11-30-21, 06:06
Some of these girls that do not hit the SD jackpot, or are not that pretty, can still do well in life. I became friends with a handful of WGs in Beijing. They are born poor, cannot get good education, are from very poor rural areas, no one gives them anything, and then later in life they may have the burden of taking care of their parents and maybe even a kid or two. And so they toil as a WG.

A typical case is a "friend" of mine, an outcall gal. For four years, she fucked about 40 guys per month, and made about $2,500 per month doing it. She eventually saved up over $100,000 and then "retired" and went back home and bought a nice condo.

I guess in some ways, I respect WGs more than SBs, on average.


So this has happened with two hookers I used to see in London. First was Melty with Diva. Total goddess. Next thing you know she is gone and posting pics of sports cars and boats from around the globe. Good for her.

Next down is Hannah. The spicy Thai wildcat. She's been posting for 6 months now from $2000/ night hotels and $500/ meal restaurants. I mean places I couldn't even afford the appetizers. And now she just posted a virtual rendering of a hair salon she hopes to open in Thailand. Wow. Landed the mega whale.

I am surprised more of these girls don't figure this out. If they are pretty and sexy they can land a guy with mega bucks and live on a yacht in the Mediterranean. Anyhow I am super happy for them and wish them the best!

Midwestern
11-30-21, 06:10
To me, it is shocking how much more BJs that I am getting ever since I started shaving down there. I honestly think they want to do it, rather than feel like they have to do it.

My balls are kept in place and don't stick to my thighs because I wear boxer briefs. I am guessing your wear boxers.

Dood, I cannot use a blade. Itches like a mother fucker. Electrice razer is close enough for me.


So I know at least one person chimed in here and said "don't do it" and I have to admit I don't like my balls sticking to my thighs like they tend to do now. But I am thoroughly convinced my girls are giving me MUCH better ball licking and sucking action than before. As I posited I think a lot of these girls are bi and love eating pussy so a naked ball sack they can really get into. It's no longer "ah yeah some ball sucking" but really sloppy lavishing attention. The difference is noticeable.

So now to the recommendations. I tried Nair and ouch fuck. Even the gentle aloe stuff burned my balls bad. They were squeaky clean but not sure it was worth it. Always been afraid to go under the blade and nick myself but someone recommended Venus. Yes yes yes. This totally works! The big blade guards prevent angling improperly and catching a blade. Smooth sailing.

Highly recommend shaving. And with Venus. All geared up for some amazing BLS!

WyattEarp
12-02-21, 17:15
So this has happened with two hookers I used to see in London. First was Melty with Diva. Total goddess. Next thing you know she is gone and posting pics of sports cars and boats from around the globe. Good for her.

Next down is Hannah. The spicy Thai wildcat. She's been posting for 6 months now from $2000/ night hotels and $500/ meal restaurants. I mean places I couldn't even afford the appetizers. And now she just posted a virtual rendering of a hair salon she hopes to open in Thailand. Wow. Landed the mega whale.

I am surprised more of these girls don't figure this out. If they are pretty and sexy they can land a guy with mega bucks and live on a yacht in the Mediterranean. Anyhow I am super happy for them and wish them the best!It's not as easy a life as it might look for the sugar baby. I have a mega-rich friend who has a place in Malibu on the ocean. He always has what I call a Penthouse Pet quality woman living with him. They usually last about a year before he tires of them or the woman starts getting into the marriage, kids thing. Of course, he's cheating on them in the city or business trips. He always has new takers lined-up. In Los Angeles, there are always a bevy of hot women who just want to dress in nice clothes, eat at expensive restaurants and lay out at the pool.

While the girl lives with him, I get the impression she is never secure in the relationship. Duh, right. She kind of looks after him when he's home and doesn't ask too many questions about his comings and goings. Does he give them money? I presume so. I have no idea how much.

All I can say, it's always fun for me to stop over when in Los Angeles. I will likely see a 9+ knockout sunbathing topless on his deck. I will say these girls are poised, confident and generally intelligent. These women always attract a lot of attention when were out. The trick for them is landing the whale in marriage and kids. He's never married, but I think some of these women would simply be happy having a kid or two with him even if it shortly ended up in a divorce.

Steve, when you mention living on a yacht, I wonder how many hot women have been dropped off at a Mediterranean port with an envelope of cash and an abrupt goodbye.

Toto001
12-02-21, 18:17
I have been in contact with girls from Moldova and Russia recently.

Basically I lost a lot of money. It was during Corona lock down in spring and I wanted build up a connection for the time after corona.

The girl from Russia (21 year old medical student) needed money for medical school, then the car crashed and she needed money for that. Then we prepared for a trip to Dubai in summer. I paid her plane tickets. Money for her to get the passport faster. In the end she canceled 3 days ahead because she was ill. Total damage 4000.

The other girl from Moldova received monthly payments of about 200-300€. Also I had sent some clothes and received pictures of her wearing those in return.

I booked her a flight to visit me in Germany and waited three hours at the airport but she would never arrive. Total damage her 1500 or so over time.

Its a disaster and I am happy the German FKK clubs are open again.

I lost trust in SA and can not imagine this actually works in Germany and Czech / Moldova / Russia.

Oneminuteboy
12-03-21, 02:04
Sorry to hear about your experience.

General rule is to never give money or gifts before meeting.

It works in Czech.

Steve 9696
12-03-21, 04:28
Had a great date with Uma earlier this week. Took her to an awesome speakeasy for some great food and drinks and then of course playtime. We spent the vast majority of our bedroom time doing what I am going to call the Steve 2. It is totally a fave but whenever I do it it seems like the girl has never done it before. So I am curious any of you tried / like this position:

You lay her on her back and kneel by her head. Turn her head towards your dick and have her suck your cock. Meanwhile reach down between her legs with your free hand and finger her. Optionally massage a breast with the other hand.

For me, fingering pussy while being blown is just a top notch thing. And there is no better position than this. It's dominant, she has amazing mouth access to both the boys and the shaft, and you don't have to contort to slips those fingers in her pussy. We musta done this for 20 minutes at least maybe more. The girls seem to love having a cock in their mouth and being fingered at same time.

Anyone else a fan of the Steve 2?

DramaFree11
12-03-21, 05:46
I have been in contact with girls from Moldova and Russia recently.

Basically I lost a lot of money. It was during Corona lock down in spring and I wanted build up a connection for the time after corona.

The girl from Russia (21 year old medical student) needed money for medical school, then the car crashed and she needed money for that. Then we prepared for a trip to Dubai in summer. I paid her plane tickets. Money for her to get the passport faster. In the end she canceled 3 days ahead because she was ill. Total damage 4000.

The other girl from Moldova received monthly payments of about 200-300. Also I had sent some clothes and received pictures of her wearing those in return.

I booked her a flight to visit me in Germany and waited three hours at the airport but she would never arrive. Total damage her 1500 or so over time.

Its a disaster and I am happy the German FKK clubs are open again.This has nothing to do with SA. This is very bad judgment.

I must admit I have attempted to fly a girls to meet me a couple of times, it usually does not end well. Sending money to girls you have not met in person, this will end in disaster 99.9% of the time. Use common sense, try not to make the same mistake twice, do not trust,(until trust is earned), and always verify. (I need to also practice what I preach, I still get caught up in the moment and make bad decisions.)

Android2987
12-04-21, 15:58
Have you guys seen the rates for seeking arrangement?

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2512037&viewfull=1#post2512037.

It says 300 CAD for a date on seeking arrangement.

It actually could be 300-400 CAD.

On a standard seeking arrangement date you may meet the girl in your apartment get to know each other for 30 minutes then possibly have sex if both parties agree and then talk again for another 30 minutes. So you could expect 2 to 3 hours.

I'm just trying to slowly demonstrate to you guys that it's not always necessary to pay 1500 for 4 hours.

Also I know of Montréal escorts that have taken trips through Canada and worldwide vacation destination with their clients. And they would never go on trips with a client that they don't trust. The client most naturally also has to be The escort's friend. They are hanging out and spending time together. And friendship implies trust.

Also I'm very well aware that they are certain individuals that pay 1500 cad. The last guy when a girl told me that he paid that much received actually the entire day. But these guys are definitely very generous. And if they took time to get to know the scene they could get more for the money. I think most of these guys are not locals. You definitely have to be a local to receive better pricing.

I'm not saying guy should be cheap. It usually the most generous guys who receive generosity from the escort. But there are some guys that pay outrageous prices and don't get what they could be getting.

Gfefan
12-04-21, 19:37
I had this awesome SB (more like a FWB, than a SA-SB) who has started to go cold recently. And is 30+ and is now talking about missing out on having family etc. Well, it is up to her. As I see signs of her going cold sooner than later, I got back on SA and started scouting. Spoke to a few, and met with two.

S is another 30+ year old but super fit. Her legs are particularly toned which I like. We chatted for a bit on SA and then soon moved to Telegram. Fixed a meet and greet. We met at this Italian place, had some food and drinks. She was very skeptical at first but towards the end of it, I could see that she was warming up. When it came time to take her, she said she has an appointment to walk the dog of her friend. I assumed it was her polite way of saying no. I went back and started my work. But, I had a message from her that she is done with her dog walk and can come over now. I said, sure. Why not?

She came over, we chatted for a bit, finished up a bottle of Rose and things started heating up. Some kisses, some fondling, and eventually managed to slip my hands under her bra. Very firm tits. And natural. Just the way I like it. As our kisses got wetter and wetter, I carried her to the bed. Undid her panties and dived straight down. Smelled and tasted good. I could feel her wetness. And, we were ready for the act. This is where things did not go as I would have liked. She refused even a BJ uncovered. I hate it with condom and have difficulty getting it up. Somehow, we managed and after a lot of effort from her side, and half erect on my side, I managed to slide it in. While the sex itself lasted for nearly 15/20 minutes, I was still not satisfied as I did not even get a BBBJ. I'm not going to repeat her unless she agrees to a BBBJ at the minimum.

Su is a 25 year old. She is my first in the 25 or less category (I normally find it that the younger the chick, the more the focus is on money, gifts. I'm not against giving them what they want but if that becomes the primary point of concern, it takes the fun away). We met for a dinner and all went well. We had chemistry but decided not to do the deed. We again met for a lunch as she was short of money (signs of a 20+ year old behavior) for some repairs on her car. While the car repair is true (I picked her up from where it broke), I did not like the fact that she was laying that as a way to get money. I gave her 200 but again. No action. I see this as a calculated investment as I'm willing to bet sooner or later this one will be on my bed. She seems OK with BBBJ and CIM which will make this one a much more attractive option than S. But, if her talk of 'money' continues, I will not hesitate to pull the plug. 200 bucks is not a great deal to let go.

Steve 9696
12-04-21, 19:58
Have you guys seen the rates for seeking arrangement?

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2512037&viewfull=1#post2512037.

It says 300 CAD for a date on seeking arrangement.

It actually could be 300-400 CAD.

On a standard seeking arrangement date you may meet the girl in your apartment get to know each other for 30 minutes then possibly have sex if both parties agree and then talk again for another 30 minutes. So you could expect 2 to 3 hours.

I'm just trying to slowly demonstrate to you guys that it's not always necessary to pay 1500 for 4 hours.

Also I know of Montral escorts that have taken trips through Canada and worldwide vacation destination with their clients. And they would never go on trips with a client that they don't trust. The client most naturally also has to be The escort's friend. They are hanging out and spending time together. And friendship implies trust.

Also I'm very well aware that they are certain individuals that pay 1500 cad. The last guy when a girl told me that he paid that much received actually the entire day. But these guys are definitely very generous. And if they took time to get to know the scene they could get more for the money. I think most of these guys are not locals. You definitely have to be a local to receive better pricing.

I'm not saying guy should be cheap. It usually the most generous guys who receive generosity from the escort. But there are some guys that pay outrageous prices and don't get what they could be getting.Not sure who you were addressing this to. There is no guy on this forum paying 1500 for four hours. The guys here in the Seeking thread def know the game. 300-400 Sounds about right to me. US is similar. Sure girls ask 800-1000 and they get instablocked by me and the others here I am sure. Heck Elvis says don't pay them at all. LOL.

I have recently taken to treating girls I like more like a girlfriend and buying her stuff without considering it part of the "transaction". I'm viewing the PPM as the incentive for her to overlook our 30 year age difference but otherwise treat her like your girl (this is regulars and girls I spend or have spent the weekend with). Some boots. A skirt. Whatever makes their day. Logos. A website. LOL. It's really small change and the best part is that I do it because I WANT to. And guess what they give me the best experience ever after that. But it's because it's non transactional that it works so well. I expect exactly ZERO in return. But I always get way more than that.

Nounce
12-05-21, 00:39
...Anyone else a fan of the Steve 2?I tried it yesterday. This is my observation. I was on her right hand side. I had to put two pillows under her head to adjust the height. She used her left hand while sucking which made touching her breast difficult. What improvement should I make to make this work better?

Steve 9696
12-05-21, 01:12
I tried it yesterday. This is my observation. I was on her right hand side. I had to put two pillows under her head to adjust the height. She used her left hand while sucking which made touching her breast difficult. What improvement should I make to make this work better?Dude you totally made my day trying this out! Key is you have to spread your legs wide. You are on your knees yes but legs spread wide. So your dick is only 6" off the mattress. That should do the trick. Wouldn't worry the breast too much. That's just a bonus and frankly only just discovered it myself. Key is you can finger her while being blown. That's the magic imo. Love that you gave it a go. Just spread those legs wide and you are all set.

Nounce
12-05-21, 01:31
... Just spread those legs wide and you are all set.Thanks, I may have another opportunity to try it tonight. Had a date with the same girl tonight but her unattractive friend interfered and wanted to tag alone so not sure what is going to happen yet.

JohnIsFun
12-05-21, 02:43
Had a great date with Uma earlier this week. Took her to an awesome speakeasy for some great food and drinks and then of course playtime. We spent the vast majority of our bedroom time doing what I am going to call the Steve 2. It is totally a fave but whenever I do it it seems like the girl has never done it before. So I am curious any of you tried / like this position:

You lay her on her back and kneel by her head. Turn her head towards your dick and have her suck your cock. Meanwhile reach down between her legs with your free hand and finger her. Optionally massage a breast with the other hand.

For me, fingering pussy while being blown is just a top notch thing. And there is no better position than this. It's dominant, she has amazing mouth access to both the boys and the shaft, and you don't have to contort to slips those fingers in her pussy. We musta done this for 20 minutes at least maybe more. The girls seem to love having a cock in their mouth and being fingered at same time.Haha I have never tried the Steve 2 position. But I enjoy fingering while being blown. My go to position is me lying down on my back on a pillow. The girl lays sideways and takes the dick with the hand and mouth. She slides her bottom closet to me towards the pillow so I can reach her pussy. From my experience must girls love their clit and pussy touched and fingered while the tongue is all over my dick. But it's been a long time between drinks because of covid. I have also tried with the girl lying down on her back and me more like kneeling position with knees either side of her face. But this position is not so comfortable to finger as you have to twist to reach the pussy.

Steve 9696
12-05-21, 04:08
So here locally the Hyatt has become my go to and I've taken a handful of girls there, several on a regular basis. Probably been there 20+ times over the past year or so. The desk clerks rotate a lot and I've probably only had the same one twice.

Checking in (with Uma nearby) earlier this week the new clerk is looking at the screen and says "oh I'm just reading the notes here. I guess you know how all this works since you stay with us often. ".

I can only imagine what the notes say:

Comes in often with no luggage and a bottle of wine.

Seems to have a different girl every time.

Never stays overnight.

Bedding is never turned down but the bed spread is quite wrinkled.

Usually leaves alcohol and wet towels behind.

Only the occasional condom wrapper.

Great guy and clearly doing us a favor paying overnight rates for 3 hours of room time. Treat him well!

SamPeter71
12-05-21, 04:40
I am at Bogota for a week and want to find good SA contacts. Thanks in advance.


I could share a few SA contacts with you to get you started, but you need to upgrade your membership in order to receive or send PMs here.

SA in MDE is very though, you can read my recent posts in which I complain a lot LOL.

Tiny 12
12-05-21, 05:12
I have been in contact with girls from Moldova and Russia recently.

Basically I lost a lot of money. It was during Corona lock down in spring and I wanted build up a connection for the time after corona.

The girl from Russia (21 year old medical student) needed money for medical school, then the car crashed and she needed money for that. Then we prepared for a trip to Dubai in summer. I paid her plane tickets. Money for her to get the passport faster. In the end she canceled 3 days ahead because she was ill. Total damage 4000.

The other girl from Moldova received monthly payments of about 200-300. Also I had sent some clothes and received pictures of her wearing those in return.

I booked her a flight to visit me in Germany and waited three hours at the airport but she would never arrive. Total damage her 1500 or so over time.

Its a disaster and I am happy the German FKK clubs are open again.

I lost trust in SA and can not imagine this actually works in Germany and Czech / Moldova / Russia.You're not doing it right. Sending a woman money before you've met her is not a good idea. Paying for an expensive, nonrefundable plane ticket before you meet is not a good idea.

I saw a SB in another city a few times, we clicked really well, so I paid for a ticket for her to a destination in the Caribbean. She ghosted, and I would have been out the price of the ticket if her flight hadn't been delayed, which allowed me to cancel with no penalty. That's not going to happen to me again.