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Akibono
08-10-22, 23:18
I guess I knew this but was very struck recently kissing Shayla how different it is from kissing a pro even one who provides good DFK. With a Seeking girl (at least the ones I adore who I would not even class semi-pro) like Shayla, Alexa, and Sylvia (of late) it's a completely different passion and "set of moves".

What I mean by that is it's not just tongue tangling. There is playful licking and lip biting. Tongue sucking both directions. Just no rules. Wherever that animal passion takes you you go there. It's so amazing and such a joint "dance" if you will.

And because it's real, it's part of the sex. Shayla is definitely more connected mouth to pussy than most girls. But no pro is getting wet from DFK. She's probably even getting out the lube after you eat her pussy. LOL. Cuz there is nothing going on downstairs when u kiss. With a real connection that animal kissing is getting her wet just like it gets you hard. Amazing stuff and one of my favorite parts. And I guess I don't mind the ego boost either knowing that kissing me make Shaylas juice drip down her thighs is def satisfying to the self esteem!I agree with you, but have a slightly different explanation. It's not the kissing that gets her wet. It is the anticipation of what is to come. I can tell when a pro is just going through the motions or when there is some genuine passion. Just because a girl sucks harder or faster does not make me come faster. It just gets boring. Same for the girl.

Steve 9696
08-11-22, 18:36
I guess I don't by my home girls gifts often but had occasion to recently and figured out how to do without your SO getting wind. It's pretty simple.

Always using Chrome Incognito mode of course.

Set up a special Gmail — like mysagirls@gmail.com.

Set up a special Amazon acct using that gmail.

Get a visa gift card at your local Kroger.

Add funds to your Amazon card using the gift card. I had to put "A Gift for You" as the cardholder name. Which is what the card says —because it fails otherwise.

(This step may not be necessary— maybe direct checkout works).

Key: Have it shipped to an Amazon locker at your local Whole Foods.

When the package is delivered you get an email with a bar code. Just scan that at the Whole Foods and the locker pops open.

Totally anonymous and untraceable I do believe. Worked like a champ for me.

FastMdSter
08-14-22, 16:59
So as I have been immersed in this SA world a few things have happened. First, my desire for pros is almost non-existent because I'm getting much better experiences for cost per hour and more attractive women.

However, as I have sharpened my skills I am seeing a new group of women on the site (my opinion / experience).

Here are the categories:

1. Pure Pros-escorts, SW, hardened prostitutes-$ exchanged from the beginning.

2. Semi-pros- retired escorts, semi-retired escorts, strippers, escort as needed - $ money exchanged from the beginning.

3. Gold diggers, professional sbs, the uglies / fatties that can't get laid, pure nymphos (surprising amount) - mostly money exchanged, except for the nymphos, uglies / fatties.

4. So this group is the strangest imo and growing. They are there because a friend told them to try, they are curious because they watched a news segment, YouTube etc, or believe the tagline of "dating up".

Here's the problem and benefits I'm seeing with group 4.

They are lost, confused, and overwhelmed. The responses they get seem to terrify, freak them out, and question what the fuck is going on.

First message from a man " I want to cum on your toes and I will eat it, and will pay $500" actual message I was shown. So many more crazier messages I have seen.

I always ask why they chose to respond to my message, so I know what works and doesn't.

So they start to instablock, not pay attention, or quickly close account because of what they see.

They will google your pics, everyone told me this. Any question about your pics they move on. They mostly use fake pics, blurred out faces, google voice, snap, WA, before giving you their real number. Once they feel comfortable, that you are not one of the men from above, it's complete sharing.

Psychologically, they are looking for an actual date / BF / evening out with who they are attracted too, that is different from the relationship they just got out of (they are not virgins, and all have been in bad relationships).

Age range for these women in Group 4 from my experience so far 24-32.

Number of women for this data subset=7.

Percent of women who I met and had sex=100%.

Locations:

US-Philadelphia, Scottsdale.

Canada-Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal.

Europe=Frankfurt Germany.

So not a statistically large data set with p-values. But, there is a trend.

If you have got through all the above and peeked their interest here comes the rub, the sex will be unbelievable, most likely no $ excerpt for your dates (we all pay for dinner and drinks-if you split the tab gtfo).

BUT, then they start to catch feelings. So that is the rub. Be aware. If you are into it, no issue. If you're not, tread carefully.

This is my opinion and experience from a few of the women I have engaged. Unfortunately, they are super hot and very cool. But, I saw the signs and ignored them because I wanted to keep banging them.

Just my observations for the team.

GoingDumb
08-14-22, 23:42
First seeking date in a few months and it was mixed. Met at a bar, conversation was natural so we went back to hotel. She'the asked over text before if I was open to more if we liked each other and of course I said yes. Once we're in the room start making out but she's sucking on my lips pretty hard and almost biting them. Lots of tongue as well. Clothes come out, start fingering her but noticed a fishy smell. I'the taken a v before and usually it works but nothing this time. Not sure if the biting and smell did it or if it was because I rubbed one out earlier. I usually don't before but I thought of something about Mary and the line about not going out with a loaded gun since I usually pop fast on the first. After she gave me head I was able to fuck her covered in doggy for a little but couldn't stay up. We made out with the occasional fingering for a few more hours before she had to go. I even took a 2nd v about an hour later to see if it'the work but not much. We chatted a little about seeking and she told me she's doing it to cover a large bill. I respect that but wonder if she'll be gone once she's got enough. Also said no bb for now since she's trying to date normally which is a bummer.

My last two seeking experiences before this one ended with me getting scammed or thinking I was getting scammed so I was pretty nervous going in. When I got scammed the girl ran off when I was in the bathroom with the money so I was anxious leaving the room. Nothing happened luckily but still not sure about seeing her again or seeking in general. Wonder if my dick is doing the thinking for me and sending me a message LOL.

Pros:

Willing to explore BDSM, was ok with choking.

Not a scammer / trust.

Cons:

Biting, smell a turn off.

Cost me almost a grand total with ppm and hotel.

NapataJohn
08-19-22, 22:13
Anyone using SA and escorts may want to glance at this. Please take it with a pinch of salt.

http://www.whatisasugarbaby.com/how-...per-visit.html

Midwestern
08-20-22, 05:19
Anyone using SA and escorts may want to glance at this. Please take it with a pinch of salt.

http://www.whatisasugarbaby.com/how-...per-visit.htmlThe allowance price guide looks reasonable to me, and is what I generally experienced in the USA.

Midwestern
08-20-22, 05:29
The group that you refer to as the 4th one and growing is actually the original first group when SA started. At first, they were undergrads, and as SA became more popular a bunch of non undergrads joined out of curiosity, some from T1 nder but mostly just gals that heard about it and thought it might be a great way to meet rich guys that could help them out financially or for great outings and travel. Then gold diggers started joining, and eventually an avalanche of pros and pure pros started joining. I think most of us were, or are, on SA for what you describe as the "fourth" group of SBs. They are actually the original group, but because of the other groups joining, SA has become a LOT of work to find the gems of that "fourth" group.


So as I have been immersed in this SA world a few things have happened. First, my desire for pros is almost non-existent because I'm getting much better experiences for cost per hour and more attractive women.

However, as I have sharpened my skills I am seeing a new group of women on the site (my opinion / experience).

Here are the categories:

1. Pure Pros-escorts, SW, hardened prostitutes-$ exchanged from the beginning.

2. Semi-pros- retired escorts, semi-retired escorts, strippers, escort as needed - $ money exchanged from the beginning.

3. Gold diggers, professional sbs, the uglies / fatties that can't get laid, pure nymphos (surprising amount) - mostly money exchanged, except for the nymphos, uglies / fatties.

4. So this group is the strangest imo and growing. They are there because a friend told them to try, they are curious because they watched a news segment, YouTube etc, or believe the tagline of "dating up".

Here's the problem and benefits I'm seeing with group 4.

They are lost, confused, and overwhelmed. The responses they get seem to terrify, freak them out, and question what the fuck is going on.

First message from a man " I want to cum on your toes and I will eat it, and will pay $500" actual message I was shown. So many more crazier messages I have seen.

I always ask why they chose to respond to my message, so I know what works and doesn't.

So they start to instablock, not pay attention, or quickly close account because of what they see.

They will google your pics, everyone told me this. Any question about your pics they move on. They mostly use fake pics, blurred out faces, google voice, snap, WA, before giving you their real number. Once they feel comfortable, that you are not one of the men from above, it's complete sharing.

Psychologically, they are looking for an actual date / BF / evening out with who they are attracted too, that is different from the relationship they just got out of (they are not virgins, and all have been in bad relationships).

Age range for these women in Group 4 from my experience so far 24-32.

Number of women for this data subset=7.

Percent of women who I met and had sex=100%.

Locations:

US-Philadelphia, Scottsdale.

Canada-Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal.

Europe=Frankfurt Germany.

So not a statistically large data set with p-values. But, there is a trend.

If you have got through all the above and peeked their interest here comes the rub, the sex will be unbelievable, most likely no $ excerpt for your dates (we all pay for dinner and drinks-if you split the tab gtfo).

BUT, then they start to catch feelings. So that is the rub. Be aware. If you are into it, no issue. If you're not, tread carefully.

This is my opinion and experience from a few of the women I have engaged. Unfortunately, they are super hot and very cool. But, I saw the signs and ignored them because I wanted to keep banging them.

Just my observations for the team.

Steve 9696
08-20-22, 13:27
Although the direct link below didn't work for me, just keying in whatisasugarbaby.com did. That is actually a pretty useful site for girls. Other than marketing some trash seeking wannabe sites the information and tips is pretty spot on.

I agree the prices look accurate for the US. Although my experience is I never negotiate an overnight. It just happens and allowance doesn't change. This is still consistent tho because the evening and overnight rates overlap considerably in their table.

So quiet in here. Do drop a note or two on what you are up to.

I'm enjoying my home girl Shayla immensely. Haven't connected personally or sexually that deeply before. I know it's NSA and would never work in real life, but I do really like hanging out with her and the sex is absolutely mind blowing.

Struggling to fill the gap left by my regular girl in a second tier city I visit. She grew a boyfriend and has left the game. Boo. The fatties and uglies are just rampant here and it's so hard. Have engaged a couple girls who are cute but both are single moms and you feel that desperation more than a wild joy for life. So not so sur how those might work out. Def going to give at least one a go I suppose.

Missing the club scene. So different from Sugar but I love being king of the world at the girl buffet. LOL. Not headed to Brazil soon so thinking I may try the Gold Coast of Spain which is supposed to be good.

Do share what you are up to.

NapataJohn
08-20-22, 14:18
I agree the prices look accurate for the US. Although my experience is I never negotiate an overnight. It just happens and allowance doesn't change. This is still consistent tho because the evening and overnight rates overlap considerably in their table.I usually avoid overnights unless we fly off let us say to Cancun for a 3 day getaway, but I would do that only only after a year of knowing the girl.

Seems very odd so many girls on SA in USA asking for platonic and online only. Hope that people here are not buying into it as I found that many are catfish.

Nounce
08-20-22, 22:56
The group that you refer to as the 4th one and growing is actually the original first group when SA started. At first, they were undergrads, and as SA became more popular a bunch of non undergrads joined out of curiosity...That was the group I liked in Colombia. They came in wave, and most don't stay active on the site too long. One wrote an interesting poem pondering about exchanging sex for money in her profile. It's a more interesting group. In the US city I live many years ago, many college students came to the city to work as freelancers on the street during weekend. Some just came to experience life. Some would show up Friday night, the gone after one night,

The Cane
08-20-22, 23:33
Seems very odd so many girls on SA in USA asking for platonic and online only. Hope that people here are not buying into it as I found that many are catfish.It's either a fake catfish profile or a young girl who hasn't learned yet how the world really works. Thinking she's going to get money from men for doing much of nothing. She might counter that she is doing something (giving her time). Well, I can assure these misguided little babies that my time is far more valuable than theirs. What she has that's got value is that warm, moist "cootchie biscuit" between her young legs. Now we're talking! Now we're wheeling and dealing!

LightMan1988
08-21-22, 06:36
The allowance price guide looks reasonable to me, and is what I generally experienced in the USA.Can someone post it here? Link is not working for me.

NapataJohn
08-21-22, 15:02
Can someone post it here? Link is not working for me.Add this to the main URL how-much-does-sugar-daddy-pay-sugar-baby-allowance-per-visit. Html.

Steve 9696
08-21-22, 16:56
Can someone post it here? Link is not working for me.See my post about four down called Good Site. That link takes you to the main page and you can navigate to the pricing from there.

Elvis 2008
08-21-22, 20:04
The group that you refer to as the 4th one and growing is actually the original first group when SA started. At first, they were undergrads, and as SA became more popular a bunch of non undergrads joined out of curiosity, some from T1 nder but mostly just gals that heard about it and thought it might be a great way to meet rich guys that could help them out financially or for great outings and travel. Then gold diggers started joining, and eventually an avalanche of pros and pure pros started joining. I think most of us were, or are, on SA for what you describe as the "fourth" group of SBs. They are actually the original group, but because of the other groups joining, SA has become a LOT of work to find the gems of that "fourth" group.Whenever you have a new lucrative fad, the pattern is usually first the innovators then the imitators and finally the idiots. When the internet first came out and women started selling themselves, I actually learned the imitators were much better and cheaper in bed than the innovators FWIW. I think it would be hard to find an innovator right now on seeking and I am not sure you would want to because of what they would demand money wise. Eventually, we got to the idiot stage in the escort world and saw the fake reviews, fat women, and pimps dominating review boards. I knew seeking's day would come as this pattern would repeat itself.

IMO group 4 are the imitators. Group 1 and 2 are what I would call the frauds and Group 3 are the idiots. Sadly, I expect groups 1 to 3 to grow while group 4 shrinks. I wish it was not like this.

FilthyBeaver
08-22-22, 02:33
This age old question doesn't seem reasonable to me. The price should be whatever works between you and her. The situation dictates the price.

In a tier one (expensive) coastal city I've paid as low as 300 ppm and as high as 1500. Right now I have 3 girls, going to 1 in the very near future. So what's the difference?

The 300 girl was a foreign exchange master's student and frankly not very attractive to me. It was my first girl from SA and it was more about the novelty than anything else. Saw her a handful of times and really didn't even say goodbye as it was never serious and had no emotional connection whatsoever. The 1500 girl was a one night stand in a major foreign financial hub. Gorgeous girl, incredible experience, worth every penny. I was on vacation and was headed to another (cheaper) country to party and was flushed with cash so the price didn't bother me, I reasoned I'd just spend a little less in the second location to make sure I didn't run out of cash (I try not to tap an ATM for mongering money abroad).

Had a monthly allowance girl for 3 k, basically weekly meetings including overnights. Got too emotionally involved and paid a steep price, lesson learned but it it was incredible while it lasted for several months before she broke it off.

Met 3 girls on my last draw from the SA well. The girls are young (moody and finicky) and have other guys going on too so I figure I need a primary, a backup and backup for the backup (if you think they're not doing the same you're crazy). I try to do this on a single 1 mo subscription. If I'm able to convince the primary I'm worthy and I still like her after a couple months then I cut the others loose. Primary insists on ppm, the other two never specified but they are also ppm. 700 primary other two are 500.

Aside from sex and maybe one or two basic topics I have nothing in common with the backups and a 4-5 HR date with meal and sex are plenty for me. I've got tons in common with the primary, down to personality, there's never a dull moment and we're always talking about something interesting. A full day and evening aren't enough. Is she worth more? To me absolutely, to you, who knows. I'm getting a bargain. The trick for me is to not get so involved that when the inevitable end comes it doesn't sting so bad. It wouldn't be an issue at all with the backup girls but it definitely is with the primary.

FilthyBeaver
08-22-22, 03:12
I think there are 5 different types, if you look at my post 2544 in this thread I have them grouped a little differently not that yours is wrong. I believe that the goal oriented / focused ones are definitely just there for the money with the caveat that you can't be disgusting to them. Most of them are looking for a date that they can't get with a guy their age and want to feel looked after. Again, you need to be reasonably presentable. Girls are nowhere near as picky as we are with appearance. A nice dinner and treating them with some respect and no games is what most are looking for, I've been told as much. Especially from the girls that are bad at picking guys and fortunately for us there are tons of those. Unfortunately the entry price is high because there are few other places to find girls open to dating a much older guy so you're stuck with the ppm fee.


So as I have been immersed in this SA world a few things have happened. First, my desire for pros is almost non-existent because I'm getting much better experiences for cost per hour and more attractive women.

However, as I have sharpened my skills I am seeing a new group of women on the site (my opinion / experience).

Here are the categories:

1. Pure Pros-escorts, SW, hardened prostitutes-$ exchanged from the beginning.

2. Semi-pros- retired escorts, semi-retired escorts, strippers, escort as needed - $ money exchanged from the beginning.

3. Gold diggers, professional sbs, the uglies / fatties that can't get laid, pure nymphos (surprising amount) - mostly money exchanged, except for the nymphos, uglies / fatties..

Midwestern
08-22-22, 12:12
Do share what you are up to.I started seeing two HJ MP gals at their homes. One is someone I have known for a very long time, and so she lets me bareback her. The other is someone that I knew a couple of years but have not seen since. We started texting recently, and she said I could see her at her place, which was my first time to see her outside of her shop. And to my surprise, she let me bareback her. Because she is new to me, and her body is nearly perfect (nice big fake tits, nice round ass, flat abs, and smooth skin), I saw her four time in six days, LOL.

Right now, I need an epic vacation, like the kind you, SamCan, and I used to do in China, where I am fucking different gals around the clock and have a gal for overnights as well. But traveling is still tricky in China.

I've been reading your posts. You are totally rocking it, my man.

Midwestern
08-22-22, 12:16
Whenever you have a new lucrative fad, the pattern is usually first the innovators then the imitators and finally the idiots. When the internet first came out and women started selling themselves, I actually learned the imitators were much better and cheaper in bed than the innovators FWIW. I think it would be hard to find an innovator right now on seeking and I am not sure you would want to because of what they would demand money wise. Eventually, we got to the idiot stage in the escort world and saw the fake reviews, fat women, and pimps dominating review boards. I knew seeking's day would come as this pattern would repeat itself.

IMO group 4 are the imitators. Group 1 and 2 are what I would call the frauds and Group 3 are the idiots. Sadly, I expect groups 1 to 3 to grow while group 4 shrinks. I wish it was not like this.This a good characterization. I agree with it. I started using SA about 10 years ago, and it was really good back then. In recent years, I stopped using it because of groups 1-3, and because of the work involved to tap gals in group 4. I am hoping to return to the states soon. Maybe I will try SA again.

Steve 9696
08-22-22, 13:07
This a good characterization. I agree with it. I started using SA about 10 years ago, and it was really good back then. In recent years, I stopped using it because of groups 1-3, and because of the work involved to tap gals in group 4. I am hoping to return to the states soon. Maybe I will try SA again.Great update below. Nothing like having some bareback regulars. Tho like you dying for another week of pure king of the world debauchery.

If you ro start with SA again don't give up! In the US it is a hoirrible pain in the ass and takes forever to find the right girl. But so awesome when you do. And the road along the way once engaging and fucking ain't so bad either. Two cases in point:

Kayla. Miami. I was traveling there regularl and went thru three other girls first to get to Kayla (not even counting all the online BS). One was great chem and kissing but not room time. One was beautiful but boring as a rock outside the bedroom. And one was more a six but a hard worker if inexperienced in bed and a very nice girl. Then bam! My bareback nine Kayla was mine for months on end.

Shayla. Hometown. I saw a handful of girls over a two year period. This journey was a ton of fun and don't regret any of it. Had a great girl for about 8 months but she was heavy. And a few other fill in girls, including one who had never done it before and we barebacked three or four times before she felt guilty about sex for money. But in the end scored Shayla who is bareback sex weekly with a girl I truly adore. And best sex of my 50+ year life! WTF?

So def don't be discouraged. Slog thru! It pays in the end.

The Cane
08-22-22, 13:13
Here are the categories:

4. So this group is the strangest imo and growing. They are there because a friend told them to try. Here's the problem and benefits I'm seeing with group 4. They are lost, confused, and overwhelmed. The responses they get seem to terrify, freak them out, and question what the fuck is going on. So they start to instablock, not pay attention, or quickly close account because of what they see. Psychologically, they are looking for an actual date / BF / evening out with who they are attracted too, that is different from the relationship they just got out of (they are not virgins, and all have been in bad relationships). Age range for these women in Group 4 from my experience so far 24-32. Just my observations for the team.And outstanding observations they are! For, this pretty much describes the one and only "grand slam walk-off home run" I scored on Seeking. I mean to a tee! She was very attractive (100% my type), and we were bareback fucking and sucking (cum inside) for six months (low $250 per meet plus dinner or whatever) before she moved about six hours away. We have stayed in touch. Where's Steve at? Steve my man! That was some good, "pasty white", blondinka pussy bro (booty hole nice deep pink how I like LOL)! But too much work (too many fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers) to find another. So like Midwestern, I'm out. I look at profiles and stuff and get expressions of interest from women (I don't have public pic), but I'm just a window shopper on Seeking at this time. Likely to remain so for some time too. They offered me 20% off to come back. Then 25%. Then for a short period of time it was 33% off. I didn't bite. Now, it's back to a 20% off offer for a three-month membership. Nope!

DramaFree11
08-22-22, 13:22
Great update below. Nothing like having some bareback regulars. Tho like you dying for another week of pure king of the world debauchery.

If you ro start with SA again don't give up! In the US it is a hoirrible pain in the ass and takes forever to find the right girl. But so awesome when you do. And the road along the way once engaging and fucking ain't so bad either. Two cases in point:

Kayla. Miami. I was traveling there regularl and went thru three other girls first to get to Kayla (not even counting all the online BS). One was great chem but not room time. One was beautiful but boring as a rock outside the bedroom. And one was more a six but a very nice girl. Then bam! My bareback nine Kayla was mine for months on end.

Shayla. Hometown. I saw a handful of girls over a two year period. This journey was a ton of fun and don't regret any of it. Had a great girl for about 8 months but she was heavy. And a few other fill in girls, including one who had never done it before and we barebacked three or four times before she felt guilty about sex for money. But in the end scored Shayla who is bareback sex weekly with a girl I truly adore. And best sex of my 50+ year life! WTF?.That is the key. Never give up. Yes, it sucks in America, but it does work. A couple of tips, Copy and paste to save time, only meet girls that live in the area you are targeting, do not mess with the foreign girls unless you are willing to travel to them. , Video Chat and spend 15-20 minutes daily. You will be surprised by the results. SA does work great in Latin America and parts of Europe. I am living proof.

I am in CDMX and having the time of my life. CDMX is a great balance of work and fun. Lot's of young girls available.

NapataJohn
08-23-22, 13:28
Yes, it sucks in America, but it does work.I agree it takes a lot of work, example 2 months ago I contacted a very pretty girl (from her pics) and went and saw her after a week. She was not at all like her pics, average looking but she gave a wonderful massage and GFE experience. WIR? Maybe if there is no other option as she is quite far off from me. About an hour and a half.

DramaFree11
08-23-22, 15:11
I agree it takes a lot of work, example 2 months ago I contacted a very pretty girl (from her pics) and went and saw her after a week. She was not at all like her pics, average looking but she gave a wonderful massage and GFE experience. WIR? Maybe if there is no other option as she is quite far off from me. About an hour and a half.Yes, make sure you Video Chat, this eliminates a lot of scammers.

On a brighter note. I am on a major hot streak in the CDMX. Just amazing here, minus the renting an apartment. Detailed report will follow. I have one more day in the CDMX.

NapataJohn
08-23-22, 23:39
Yes, make sure you Video Chat, this eliminates a lot of scammers.I find that if I ask for video chat they ask me to also show up on the video and I am uncomfortable with that as I had prior bad experiences. Prefer doing meet and greet in a bar and if things go well hit up a hotel nearby.

SethiatSpace
08-24-22, 00:05
Done it 4 times in the last 4 months, and each time the girl has showed up and everything has went smoothly. Just back from Venice with a legitimate Serbian model, so its possible, but privacy with these girls is incredibly important.Nice report, I like your method. But as I understand, you're only going with Venezuelan girls living in Europe, which loses the appeal of discovring the local talent. Except for that trip to Venice with that Serbian model?


"Like I said previously if the girl is no show, I would only have lost $100 on flights".But you'd still have lost the price of the flight tickets, right?

SethiatSpace
08-24-22, 00:11
First, as you know you but broke the rule that you should not be sending anyone money.

Second, do you have pictures on your profile? Doesn't have to be public, can be private. Also, maybe you post your profile statement here. Could you post some of your introductory messages?

SA is a lot of work. It's a game of numbers. For the non-pros it requires more game. For the pros-and professional SBs it requires no game. When a woman responds with let's meet, number right away with no pic request you know she is a pro.

If you have pics, what kind are they? Does it show that you are a professional, cool etc that would hit the democratic you are targeting? An example, I have pics that connect me to my profession (but can't tie to my actual company), at the beach, at nightclubs / bars etc that they can see if we have something in common. The sub 30 woman always comment on my fit sets which I know makes them more amenable to connecting.

Even the ugly girls get a ton of messages I'm sure. I have seen how many messages these 8+ woman get per day and it's amazing.

Also, some areas may not be good for SA and better to just go pro. I'm on my way to Seattle and have had a great response, but I'm not sure if these women are as attractive as other areas to warrant the time and money and may go pro. They sure seem DTF though and message very quickly.Yeah I do have pics on my account. I'm not married and I'm noone important so I don't care at the moment. Pics are a bit of everything, one face pic, a few high end places (think emirates palace, infinity pool in mountains, .) and some exotic / adventurous pics (northern lights, .).

I've cut most of my description as I really don't care anymore. Basically it goes like this now:


I'm a Tech Lead in Software engineering working in a startup in Paris. I also do cryptomining, for which I have my own YT channel.
I'm a smart and respectful man so I expect the same from you. Love to laugh and joke.
I speak four languages and I've traveled extensively so fear not, there will be at least one subject to talk about..Pretty basic I know but don't care too much and I don't think girls read it anyway.

I agree with you, location is probably everything and boy does it suck in mainland Europe.

SethiatSpace
08-24-22, 00:15
Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam.

I suppose it's different everywhere, as I said. But I don't generally try to open with an offer of meetup. I usually pick something from their profile to start a conversation around and discuss mundane topics. If they won't engage in the convo then they are not for me.Thanks for the advice. I'm definitely skipping platonic meet and greet, especially paid. Ain't nobody got time for that.

As for opening with a meetup, I don't do that in Paris as I know there is more time but in all these EE countries (and Helsinki), girls barely answer. By the time I would get an answer for the first message, I would have left the country. I've had girls write to me now for trips from three weeks ago. And these were the girls who were online the day I sent the message.

SethiatSpace
08-24-22, 00:21
+1 on that. Very subjective. How do you carry yourself?. What is your energy? Is your personality charming and attractive?? All factors. I'm not white and have had tons of success all over Europe, including Czech Rep, Romania, Poland, etc. 0 race related issues with SA girls!
It's true, all is subjective. But it's kinda hard to be charming and attractive when the conversation never go further than a few text messages on SA and no meet.

SethiatSpace
08-24-22, 01:13
Hey guys,

Sometimes I feel like I'm coming from another planet and miss some of the basic stuff. Clearly, I need a manual for SA when I compare my terrible experience with yours, guys.
Continuing on my experience with SA, in no random order.

- Riga: So this one is. Interesting. For lack of a better word. I got one hit from a girl. She said we could meet and asked to switch to Telegram quite quickly. On Telegram, she sent immedialy videos of her (from her insta, a bit later on the subject), and one in her underwear. And she says, I quote "We can have drinks before if you want. If All you want is sex that's totally cool too (kinda even prefer that). We can discuss what you like and want to receive and how much are you willing to pay for it". So you can't be more direct than that, and ofc I imagine she is actually a pro. She later even goes on "how much are you willing to pay me and what I would have to do to get more". That's. Quite something to read. At that time I was pissed off from SA and just read about prices in Spain so I tell her girl in spain go for 200 to which she replies "In Latvia you can get maybe a super ugly for that price". Or I could get a russian escort in Paris better looking but that's another subject. She then says 300 is her absolute minimum. The next day she asks me again what I decided, to which I reply ok let's go for 300. She is willing to come to my hotel if I'll pay her Bolt when we meet. And then she goes with the weirdest comment "Haven't done this and never will again. Just need 400 for my rent". Which baffles me at that time, you're the one talking about sex, what you have to do to get more and immediately sent me a video of you in your undies. And she says she kinda need the money today to pay rent, to which I'm laughing. But I shouldn't have. I was with a friend so I decided to postpone to the next day, even if the girl was willing to come exactly at that moment. We keep chatting until the next day, and her tone changed. She was much more friendly. We were supposed to meet at 6 pm. I wrote to her in the morning, no answer. Asked again in the afternoon, she wrote "I can't. I'm sorry. Will find a different way to get money". I was not expecting that. And her Telegram had her full name (I actually found her Insta) so from thinking she was a pro, I ended up thinking she was an amateur who got in way over her head. Not a pleasant experience overall and not sure how she would have been in the bed. Probably she would have hated me from her soul.

-Dubai: only pros. Either straight escorts or even agencies. Worse, these agencies give the phone numbers to other agencies! I've had random russian number just contact me out of nowhere, pretending to be from SA. Then when I asked what is the SA profile, the "girl" said she got it from someone else. What the heck!

Non-agency girls all want 3 k+ and you're far from guaranteed to see the girl from the pics.

-Tbilissi girl: ok you know how the saying goes? "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. ". So I got a hit with this girl from Tbilissi. Says she'd love to travel blabla. She seemed nice enough. Switched to Telegram, wasn't pushy or anything. For some reason at one point she send a pic of her passeport (Now I think this is a big red flag). I supposedly learned from my mistake with the "italian girl" so I asked for video call and sure enough, it's the girl from the pics. We keep texting from time to time, sometimes she would send pics of her or a video. I tell her let's go to Dubai then. And again, since I (thought) I learned, I said I'll book this time. So I do, send her the tickets, she is super happy blabla. I book the sofitel in JBR. Once we get closer to the trip, she says she needs money for the taxi to the airport + PCR test. Now this doesn't seem crazy as a request and so far all seemed ok. But she says she needs 100, which is a crazy amount for Georgia. Real price would be probably 30 for both PCR and taxi. I tell her no, that's too much but she can have 50, which is more than enough. Then the day later, I ask her if she did the PCR, which she says yes. And then it's time to make the checkin for the flight. I ask her to confirm the information. She replies 2 h later, saying she just woke up and need some time. And that's the last I heard of her. So flghts ticket lost + booking for Sofitel (I ended up booking Capitol Hotel as Sofitel is not green). Fuck me. This time I tried to do things in a smarter way, but still got scammed haha.

- UK girls: got many messages from girls looking for "online arrangement" first before switching to real meet. Waste of time obviously, they all just want to sell their crappy pics and that's about it. Too bad, one of the girl was smoking hot but it's probably not even her.

- Romania: most of the girls didn't answer even after reading. One girl had a model look, asked for 1 k euros. Damn. I countered with 500, which is already plenty of money everywhere and even more in a place like Romania (no offense to Romanians). She said no less than 700. I didn't bother to reply and neither did she. I'm again baffled. Since when is 500 not enough for these girls, do they all have golden pussy syndrome?

Another girl says she is willing to meet, but she is from another city far. Red flag. Says she is willing to come, but needs 150 for gas + 200 for date. And I need to send her the 150 by Paypal because she is a poor student and can't pay for the gas herself. Double red flag, no girl asks for 200 first, and 150 gas, where are you coming from, the moon? I tell her she can come and I will pay her the gas or she can GTFO. She says she can't and maybe she will ask her mom and blabla. Pure scammer. And she did send a verification video but I guess you can't trust anyone. Also so far all the romanian girls I managed to talk to have been 100% lying scum.

- Paris: still looking, a colossal waste of time so far. Two slightly better hits, one from a german student. Wanted 300 for a dinner where we could talk, skipped. The other girl, now this is even more fun. I'd guess Russian. She seemed friendly enough on SA, switched to WA. Said she wanted to meet first for coffee before talking about anything serious. Good, first girl to say that. Now keep in mind I have my pics on SA and all the data (height, weight, etc) is true to the T. So her nickname is Emily so I just play it "cool" and tell her let's do the Emily in Paris shit and go to a famous Parisian caf where she went. She agrees to it, I arrive first. She comes a few minute later, calls me, I wave to her, she looks at me and I can see a digusted look. LOL, nice. Keep in mind I'm 35, tall (1 m87), fit, and average+ looking, well dressed. So I may not be her type but she really seemed surprised (again, she saw my photos). We just say hi, go inside, start to look for a table but after 10 seconds, she says to me she need to go and just leave. Now that's quite an experience, getting live-ghosted by a 24 yo looking for a daddy. Interesting how these girls seem to want all. They obviously deserve only the best looking rich guy ready to shower them because they have better than average look and a pussy. "I know my worth"...

Today got a message from a girl from Lisbon, says she is super model blabla. Now get that, she wants for PPM no less than 2 K euros PLUS a gift. Get the fuck out of here!

- Girl from Helsinki: Wrote to me, told me she'd like to travel to Paris / Dubai. Now this 19 yo girl from a shit third tier city in Finland wants all flight expenses paid, 3 k AND her own hotel room. LOL? What kind of arrangement is that, I should pay around 5-6 k so she can have herself a nice trip to Dubai and Paris. And on my side, I get to enjoy the conversation skills of a 19 yo and that's it? My god is everyone on this website delusional.

Yeah, fuck SA, I'm going back to Dubai alone and hit the clubs.

MiamiBoy1
08-24-22, 04:26
Continuing on my experience with SA, in no random order.

Yeah, fuck SA, I'm going back to Dubai alone and hit the clubs.Hey,

A piece of advice for you. Don't fly girls in, if you never met them in person. Or if you do, be ready they will be no show, and be ready to lose the money you spent on airfare. And don't book a hotel in advance, do it once she lands. If you decide to book a flight for her, buy a one-way ticket. Yeah, a roundtrip ticket is probably a bit cheaper, than buying two separate one ways, but not always, and if she doesn't show up your loss is 40-50% less.

It looks like you are trying SA in multiple cities across Europe, what's the point? Focus on 1 city at a time. Let's say you are planning a trip to Helsinki. Start contacting girls from Helsinki a week or two prior to your trip, and line up your dates in advance. Do your homework before you go, not once you land. The more dates you schedule the better, because some girls will flake, and you always need to have a backup. Or better yet, focus on the city you live in, or the city you spent a lot of time in (Paris? Dubai?) and work the shit out of them. Meeting local girls saves you the money you would spend on airfare, hotels, etc. I know Dubai market is tough, you are competing with rich arabs who pay premium for slim Eastern European hotties, but don't give up just yet. Keep pushing, message every single girl you like in your area, and see what happens. And if this doesn't work, maybe it is a good idea to start exploring other cities, not necessarily in Europe. But again, 1 city at a time, and do you homework prior to your trips. SA sucks in the USA, but we go to Mexico, Colombia, Thailand, etc and have fun there. I hope you will find your own pussy paradise).

FilthyBeaver
08-24-22, 04:46
Not sure if I missed it but why are you looking for girls all over Europe? If you're looking any further than 50 miles /100 km you're just setting yourself for a bunch of time wasters and scammers.

I am very average, short, mostly fit, and very intelligent. I also have money I'm willing to spend (waste) on these endeavors. I'm also single (divorced late 40's) so I'm not sneaking around; they come to the house and see I'm legit. Profile is very long has a lot of detail, about me, what I want, what I don't want, and some humor. Real girls like that shit, the pros don't because it takes time to read and time is money. I get tons of real girls responding to me. Someone said it back a few posts, I think the non-pros secretly want a BF but society, friends, family whatever make this taboo. I've had a girl tell me as much. A guy her age can't take her to nice dinners and is far less mature than a girl of a similar age.

I am not white but I prefer very young white girls and I am juggling two right now (was three a few nights ago but I officially cut it off with her). You'd be shocked at how many girls contact me and say something to the effect of "I know you said you don't like large girls but I'm hoping you'll make an exception for me because. " They know I took the time to write a bunch of crap that they become emotionally invested in and they try to reason with me. The pros ignore everything and they are really easy to identify. Instant phone numbers, professional photos, poor grammar and spelling, it goes on and on. If I'm interested and there's any doubt whatsoever I'll ask them to take a picture touching their nose or next to a kitchen appliance. The real ones who are interested in me get a good laugh out of it and have no problem. The catfishers and scammers disappear really fast. Either way I spend no more than 5 min or 5 messages talking to somebody before I figure out why they're there.

They deal with the same shit we do. I met a girl in Germany last year who was scammed by a guy in person. He sent her the money via whatever app, they had sex, and she found out later that the transfer was somehow fake. She told me she was only a little upset because the guy was really attractive. Go figure that one out.

I will not do video calls, I don't do video calls with family. It will be a physical meet in a public place or forget it. FWIW the last several first meets have all ended at my place. I'd like to think I'm handsome and charming but they see that I'm real, genuine, and reliable (and not disgusting to them) and that's all they want. Why you would want to confuse this with border crossings, passports, taxis, etc is beyond me.


It's true, all is subjective. But it's kinda hard to be charming and attractive when the conversation never go further than a few text messages on SA and no meet.

AsianPursuits
08-24-22, 06:38
I'm a Tech Lead in Software engineering working in a startup in Paris. I also do cryptomining, for which I have my own YT channel.
I'm a smart and respectful man so I expect the same from you. Love to laugh and joke.
I speak four languages and I've traveled extensively so fear not, there will be at least one subject to talk about..Most SBs are going WTF is a tech lead. Like for my iphone or something. Most of those things do zilch for a SB. Try lightening it up a little.


Respectful guy that likes to laugh and joke. Comfortable with a long lunch and drinks after a hard days work. Absolutely looove to travel and would love sharing stories of exotic places.

DramaFree11
08-24-22, 07:11
Hey,

A piece of advice for you. Don't fly girls in, if you never met them in person. Or if you do, be ready they will be no show, and be ready to lose the money you spent on airfare. And don't book a hotel in advance, do it once she lands. If you decide to book a flight for her, buy a one-way ticket. Yeah, a roundtrip ticket is probably a bit cheaper, than buying two separate one ways, but not always, and if she doesn't show up your loss is 40-50% less.

It looks like you are trying SA in multiple cities across Europe, what's the point? Focus on 1 city at a time. Let's say you are planning a trip to Helsinki. Start contacting girls from Helsinki a week or two prior to your trip, and line up your dates in advance. Do your homework before you go, not once you land. The more dates you schedule the better, because some girls will flake, and you always need to have a backup. Or better yet, focus on the city you live in, or the city you spent a lot of time in (Paris? Dubai?) and work the shit out of them. Meeting local girls saves you the money you would spend on airfare, hotels, etc. I know Dubai market is tough, you are competing with rich arabs who pay premium for slim Eastern European hotties, but don't give up just yet. Keep pushing, message every single girl you like in your area, and see what happens. And if this doesn't work, maybe it is a good idea to start exploring other cities, not necessarily in Europe..Exactly, keep it simple. Focus on one city. The times I have attempted to fly girls in, that I have not met in person, has been a big waste of money and time.

SethiatSpace
08-24-22, 10:06
Hey,

A piece of advice for you. Don't fly girls in, if you never met them in person. Or if you do, be ready they will be no show, and be ready to lose the money you spent on airfare. And don't book a hotel in advance, do it once she lands. If you decide to book a flight for her, buy a one-way ticket. Yeah, a roundtrip ticket is probably a bit cheaper, than buying two separate one ways, but not always, and if she doesn't show up your loss is 40-50% less.

It looks like you are trying SA in multiple cities across Europe, what's the point? Focus on 1 city at a time. Let's say you are planning a trip to Helsinki. Start contacting girls from Helsinki a week or two prior to your trip, and line up your dates in advance. Do your homework before you go, not once you land. The more dates you schedule the better, because some girls will flake, and you always need to have a backup. Or better yet, focus on the city you live in, or the city you spent a lot of time in (Paris? Dubai?) and work the shit out of them. Meeting local girls saves you the money you would spend on airfare, hotels, etc. I know Dubai market is tough, you are competing with rich arabs who pay premium for slim Eastern European hotties, but don't give up just yet. Keep pushing, message every single girl you like in your area, and see what happens. And if this doesn't work, maybe it is a good idea to start exploring other cities, not necessarily in Europe. But again, 1 city at a time, and do you homework prior to your trips. SA sucks in the USA, but we go to Mexico, Colombia, Thailand, etc and have fun there. I hope you will find your own pussy paradise).Yeah I'm done flying in girls like that, that wasn't such a smart move I know.

As for trying SA in multiple cities, well that's because I'm going to each of these place. I'm a software engineer, I do remote work half the week so basically I try to go to a different place each week in the summer.

For Dubai, I'm starting to think those rich arabs ain't even on this website, probably they're directly using Instagram to hit on the insta-models or use some kind of agency / broker with access to the top models.

I live in Paris so that's where I'm the most but I find it pretty unreliable so far. And also competing with a shit ton of very rich french people: the.

Gfefan
08-24-22, 18:15
I fly in my favorite from Barcelona.

And we have the best time. No money talks. No transactional experience.

But, I started flying her in only after I knew her and she knew me.


Yeah I'm done flying in girls like that, that wasn't such a smart move I know.

As for trying SA in multiple cities, well that's because I'm going to each of these place. I'm a software engineer, I do remote work half the week so basically I try to go to a different place each week in the summer.

For Dubai, I'm starting to think those rich arabs ain't even on this website, probably they're directly using Instagram to hit on the insta-models or use some kind of agency / broker with access to the top models.

I live in Paris so that's where I'm the most but I find it pretty unreliable so far. And also competing with a shit ton of very rich french people: the.

The Cane
08-24-22, 18:54
I will not do video calls, I don't do video calls with family. It will be a physical meet in a public place or forget it.Why no video calls? I thought you said you were single (so don't follow the family comment)? I didn't do any when I was active on the site, and I don't think I would ever do one using that function on SA, but I was open to it via some other means. In fact, there was one I was talking to who claimed she was interested in video introductions first, but she kept flaking on setting anything up, so I finally blocked her ass for wasting my time! But, it would seem to me that a video call would be a good screening mechanism since I would think most scammers (most but not all) would not want to go there in order to keep their identity hidden. Can anybody here with direct experience weigh in on this topic?

WyattEarp
08-24-22, 21:30
I've had a girl tell me as much. A guy her age can't take her to nice dinners and is far less mature than a girl of a similar age.I don't know. I heard this all the time when I was a young man. Didn't really believe it.

I think when girls are young they are attracted to immature guys. The kind that are into having a good time. Then some figure out that these twentysomething guys aren't serious about anything. However, many attractive women aren't interested in putting in the time with a young hard working, up and coming guy.

Steve has often mentioned that many of the SA girls don't have their shit together. So what makes them mature? They need a guy who has his shit together and has some money.

FilthyBeaver
08-25-22, 02:38
By family I mean siblings, mom & dad, & cousins. I'm young enough and fortunate enough to have both parents with me (and still married), I'm multi-national and have cousins in other parts of the world. I cannot stare into a fuckin screen and talk to somebody. It's weird. I'd make a horrible porn star, newscaster, or onlyfans moron; fortunately I have other talents.

I want a girl to meet me in person, the serious ones all feel the same way. I live in a very large coastal city so there's no shortage of like minded girls or girls willing to play by my rules when it comes to setting up a relationship. I'm not unreasonable. Public place (that they pic), I'll send them a pic of my license plate and a pic just before I hop in the car to meet them. The gems have always met within a day of first contact. They don't want to be there any longer than we do.


Why no video calls? I thought you said you were single (so don't follow the family comment)? I didn't do any when I was active on the site, and I don't think I would ever do one using that function on SA, but I was open to it via some other means. In fact, there was one I was talking to who claimed she was interested in video introductions first, but she kept flaking on setting anything up, so I finally blocked her ass for wasting my time! But, it would seem to me that a video call would be a good screening mechanism since I would think most scammers (most but not all) would not want to go there in order to keep their identity hidden. Can anybody here with direct experience weigh in on this topic?

FilthyBeaver
08-25-22, 02:49
Just like anything it depends on the girl. The girl I quoted is definitely not one I'd be normally interested in, she's heavier than I'd normally go for, is a stereotypical (dumb) California blonde, and doesn't have a lot of ambition. Sex is incredible and every time I convince myself to break it off with her she rocks my world and I put it off. I would say she doesn't have her shit together.

My current fav does have her shit together. I'm no better than #5 priority in her life after school, work (real job, not SA), family, social life etc. I don't see her anywhere near as often as I'd like but she's busy and I don't know how many other guys she's stringing along. All I know is that when we get together there is always something to chat about, laugh about, and a genuine good time.

I think most of us can agree that a girl in her early 20's is generally far more mature than a boy in his early 20's. I can barely remember back that far but I'm pretty sure I was a hot mess in my early 20's as were most of my friends and most of us have turned into successful people college educated people so we weren't screwing around.


I don't know. I heard this all the time when I was a young man. Didn't really believe it.

I think when girls are young they are attracted to immature guys. The kind that are into having a good time. Then some figure out that these twentysomething guys aren't serious about anything. However, many attractive women aren't interested in putting in the time with a young hard working, up and coming guy.

Steve has often mentioned that many of the SA girls don't have their shit together. So what makes them mature? They need a guy who has his shit together and has some money.

WyattEarp
08-25-22, 15:25
I think most of us can agree that a girl in her early 20's is generally far more mature than a boy in his early 20's. I can barely remember back that far but I'm pretty sure I was a hot mess in my early 20's as were most of my friends and most of us have turned into successful people college educated people so we weren't screwing around.That's the thing. I don't know if I agree that young women are more mature than young men. I think it depends on many factors, the place, the socioeconomic backgrounds, etc.

There are many immature women who just want to get married and have kids as fast as they can. There are college-educated women who are immature who just want to have fun. Some of the hot girls with class fall in with a college-educated guy who comes from money, but they still party and have a good time. And how many times have you seen young women chase these type of guys until they realize it isn't going down the aisle.

There are a lot of life paths for women. Attractive women have many, more options than young men. It's not always a matter of mature and immature for women.

I went to a good university, got a serious degree and was working very hard in my twenties. Dating twentysomething women was a headache. When I reached my mid-30's, I had the good job, the house, the car and very attractive women were noticing me. I don't have the answer, but I'm not sure it is young women are more mature than young men.

The Cane
08-25-22, 21:34
That's the thing. I don't know if I agree that young women are more mature than young men. I think it depends on many factors, the place, the socioeconomic backgrounds, etc.

There are many immature women who just want to get married and have kids as fast as they can. There are college-educated women who are immature who just want to have fun. Some of the hot girls with class fall in with a college-educated guy who comes from money, but they still party and have a good time. And how many times have you seen young women chase these type of guys until they realize it isn't going down the aisle.

There are a lot of life paths for women. Attractive women have many, more options than young men. It's not always a matter of mature and immature for women.

I went to a good university, got a serious degree and was working very hard in my twenties. Dating twentysomething women was a headache. When I reached my mid-30's, I had the good job, the house, the car and very attractive women were noticing me. I don't have the answer, but I'm not sure it is young women are more mature than young men.They absolutely are not! And all we have to do is use our own real world experience to know they're not. They like to think they are, but that's just some concocted cultural bullshit that our experience tells us is false. Like you, I've dealt with too many women in their 20's over the years who had nothing on young men in terms of maturity. Boys will be boys. And girls will be girls! Different ways of expressing themselves. But, it all adds up to the same thing. Immaturity! I never let anybody gaslight me and tell me that my real world experience isn't felt and real.

FilthyBeaver
08-26-22, 02:05
You just said it better than I did. I think a girl from a wealthy beach community is more mature than a boy from the same community. But a girl from an inland working class community is probably less mature than a boy from a wealthy community. That's a general rule in my mind and there are exceptions to everything.

Back to my experience, the ones I'm most interested in are very goal oriented, definitely have a plan, and by most standards have their shit together which is very relativebased on lots of factors. We've always got things to talk about and it's never boring. I once helped a girl get a (good) job in her field of study through contacts I had and that was very rewarding. I'm finding the mentoring part almost as rewarding as the sex part for the best, most interesting girls. Almost.


That's the thing. I don't know if I agree that young women are more mature than young men. I think it depends on many factors, the place, the socioeconomic backgrounds, etc.

There are many immature women who just want to get married and have kids as fast as they can. There are college-educated women who are immature who just want to have fun. Some of the hot girls with class fall in with a college-educated guy who comes from money, but they still party and have a good time. And how many times have you seen young women chase these type of guys until they realize it isn't going down the aisle.

There are a lot of life paths for women. Attractive women have many, more options than young men. It's not always a matter of mature and immature for women.

I went to a good university, got a serious degree and was working very hard in my twenties. Dating twentysomething women was a headache. When I reached my mid-30's, I had the good job, the house, the car and very attractive women were noticing me. I don't have the answer, but I'm not sure it is young women are more mature than young men.

The Cane
08-26-22, 16:56
What do you guys think about women on SA who claim to be looking for love? I mean come on. Really? How is somebody thinking they're going to find love on a site like SA? If they were serious, wouldn't they be trying more "legit" sources to achieve that? It almost makes me want to do exactly what I did with the girls who say they only want "platonic" (skip to the next profile). I just can't take somebody who claims to be looking for love on SA seriously. It kind of reminds me of the old saying, "What's a girl like you doing in a place like this"? What do you all think?

The Cane
08-26-22, 18:56
If you receive an expression of interest from somebody with a profile that looks good, I would recommend not responding right away. Wait a few days, and if somebody who represented that they were from New Jersey (as example) has a profile placing them in Texas (or even in a whole other country) only a few days later, then the odds are good that the crook is scamming and is just out to get your money (and waste your time). This is just one easy and early screening tactic that can be used to weed out fraudsters in the early stages of the chase who don't want to waste their own time working a "mark" who may not pay off (and out). They will move on in short order and look to hook some other sucker. Don't let it be you!

Steve 9696
08-27-22, 00:46
If you receive an expression of interest from somebody with a profile that looks good, I would recommend not responding right away. Wait a few days, and if somebody who represented that they were from New Jersey (as example) has a profile placing them in Texas (or even in a whole other country) only a few days later, then the odds are good that the crook is scamming and is just out to get your money (and waste your time). This is just one easy and early screening tactic that can be used to weed out fraudsters in the early stages of the chase who don't want to waste their own time working a "mark" who may not pay off (and out). They will move on in short order and look to hook some other sucker. Don't let it be you!Even easier. Never respond to any girl that contacts you first. It never ever ever is a girl worth seeing.

Steve 9696
08-27-22, 00:51
What do you guys think about women on SA who claim to be looking for love? I mean come on. Really? How is somebody thinking they're going to find love on a site like SA? If they were serious, wouldn't they be trying more "legit" sources to achieve that? It almost makes me want to do exactly what I did with the girls who say they only want "platonic" (skip to the next profile). I just can't take somebody who claims to be looking for love on SA seriously. It kind of reminds me of the old saying, "What's a girl like you doing in a place like this"? What do you all think?Seeking love? Not so likely. But seeking to score the home run with a rich daddy where it goes beyond a few transactional dates and becomes more? Yeah def girls looking for more than a quick payday.

I had a girl where we had been on the date two hours. Nice dinner. Drinking wine in the pedi-cab and she says something to which I respond "yeah too bad I'm already taken". She says what do you mean? And I show her my wedding ring. She is stunned (been in plain sight the whole date) and powerfully sad. She had visions of bagging me long term! She actually started crying. It was sweet and sad to think how naive she was.

In the end she got her head straight, we fucked bareback and she couldn't get enough. But when I dropped her off at her clearly low rent parents home the next day I felt bad again, because she really was looking for a way out of her life. I try not to fly too close to the flame like this because it can be a little sad. But def girls looking for more than transactional sex. They are looking for that ticket to the big leagues.

Steve 9696
08-27-22, 01:18
Seeking rocks despite the BS because you can find truly amazing gems that would be IMPOSSIBLE to hook up with otherwise. Alexa, Kayla, Shayla. The list goes on. And Shayla is perhaps the most amazing find of all. Because she is a sexy beast like I have never met before and may not ever again.

For those catching up on my saga with Shayla I met her in January. Petite Thai hottie. Once we got past the initial couple "feeling each other out" exploratory sexual encounters, we are now into a more or less weekly pace, know exactly how the other likes it, and the sex is absolutely spectacular. And she is super interesting as a person also. Not at all your average 24 year old.

As luck would have it, I got to overnight with her recently. And OMG. Just over the top spectacular sex and lots of it. This girl just loves sex and makes you feel like the most amazing guy ever.

We started with dinner as we always do. She's been wanting some solid dim sum and we found it. Super good. Back in the room, Actually we just cuddle for a while because we have all night. She's got her game console with her and we're just traipsing thru things she plays and enjoying the closeness.

We are sitting on the edge of the bed facing same direction her nestled between my legs. While her attention is 100% on the screen, mine is divided. I can't help but start to feel her tits from behind and get those amazing nipples perked up. Smelling and kissing her neck and not long before she turns her head for a kiss and it's on!

The sex as usual is spectacular. Her pussy is a sloppy wet mess from the start with all the kissing and tit work. The fucking is absolutely to die for. Ignoring that it's bareback which is awesome, it's also all natural no lube, just waves and waves of pussy juice. Amazing.

We mostly do The Steve and some regular mish with tons of kissing. But there is an epic blowjob mixed in after s ton of fucking as we transition to cowgirl. I don't usually cum in cowgirl but she has a way of making a wave motion that just gets me off. So I pull out and cum on her butt and my thigh. I wasn't watching the clock but I think about 45 minutes or so.

This is where the nympho sex goddess stuff comes out. As If the rest wasn't enough. She says "let me get you a towel baby". But as she sets her feet on the floor and is standing up she sees my cock is inspired to skip the bathroom trip and drop to her knees for a 15 minutes of BJ and then once I have been sucked squeaky clean mounts up again! And ride a few more orgasms. I don't cum this time around but we prob fuck another 20 or more minutes and she gets off a couple more times. She honestly just loves to have back to back to back orgasms. (I guess anyone would but I don't think most girls can as easily as she can).

I am super hazy from smoking earlier and fall in and out of sleep on my back with her nuzzled on me, lights still on. I suppose maybe an hour later I wake to kisses and snuggling and it isn't long before it's making out, hands on tits, mouth on tits and sloppy pussy ready for round three.

I've gotten hard quickly just grinding and working her tits and kissing her over her shoulder. So She slides me right in in spoon position which I don't do often. It's actually really nice because I'm sleepy and it's easy! But I've got to have more so we mish fuck and kiss forever. Then BJ. Then more cowgirl. Then more BJ. It just goes on and on. I'm both drunk and high so it's taking forever to cum. Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Her final BJ is just too epic for words. She's spitting on it and doe eyes and has my balls and shaft one cohesive sloppy whole and is working it all. She knows EXACTLY what she is doing because as I get close she comes up to make out and take me off the edge.

Then she goes back to the full treatment. I don't think I've ever had such a good sloppy licking and sucking of everything all at once and it's magical but honestly I am now about to beg her to start just sucking in and out because I am ready to blow.

Well she knows exactly when and moves from the ecstasy and teasing of lots of licking to full two hands and mouth and going all the way from balls to tip with each mouth stroke. I am building for what must have been another 5 minutes of just in and out and have a crashing shot. CIM and swallow of course. With a dynamite smile and some running down her lips just to finish the picture.

What an amazing girl. Clearly adores sex and that we can fuck so long. I mean who just finishes fucking you but can't resist sucking you clean and mounting again rather than get a towel. And she wakes me up to fuck me round three. She's an absolute beast and cute as fuck too. Soooo happy right now.

No where but Seeking baby.

The Cane
08-27-22, 02:02
No where but Seeking baby.Steve you need to regularly manage your mailbox so that you can get messages. It's always full. Always a downer to write a long message only to not have it go through because your box is full.

Steve 9696
08-27-22, 12:38
Steve you need to regularly manage your mailbox so that you can get messages. It's always full. Always a downer to write a long message only to not have it go through because your box is full.Doh. Sorry. I was nickel and dining it. Just deleted 100 so I should be good for a long time.

Elvis 2008
08-27-22, 15:41
What do you guys think about women on SA who claim to be looking for love? I mean come on. Really? How is somebody thinking they're going to find love on a site like SA? If they were serious, wouldn't they be trying more "legit" sources to achieve that? It almost makes me want to do exactly what I did with the girls who say they only want "platonic" (skip to the next profile). I just can't take somebody who claims to be looking for love on SA seriously. It kind of reminds me of the old saying, "What's a girl like you doing in a place like this"? What do you all think?It is funny that I just posted in the Medellin forum that I should have said I met my current GF from seeking in church because she like all the best seeking women I met in Colombia were regular church goers.

In the USA, most of the women I met were on the site for money and they behaved like they know what the site was about. In Colombia, the women had often rarely been on a date and were on the site because their friends had good experiences with it. Mexico was in the middle IMO.

To me, women are women and what I have learned before getting serious to have a female friend size a woman up before I move forward with anything more than a sugar baby because if the sex is too good, I will overlook the red flags.

If you meet a woman in church, how are you going to know that she has not been with a hundred other guys, been a stripper, and former coke addict? Maybe that stripper looking type you scoff at has been with a few guys and is straight laced.

In Colombia, and it probably is not like this now, money was a secondary concern in so many cases with me that I did not even bring it up, and the best dates were ones where money was not expected. One GF type was so happy after meeting me she told all her friends to use the site, and I did not give her any money when we met.

My current gal was usually in her home, at work, daughter's school, the gym, church, or hanging out with friends at bars prior to my meeting her. Is she a different woman if I met her at one of those places and not seeking?

FilthyBeaver
08-27-22, 16:19
I've been sniped twice by two girls who were certainly worthy of my time and interest. One, over time turned out to be too immature and didn't respect my time so I broke it off. The other I'm still seeing and she is an absolute gem. She will make someone a real trophy wife someday (if she's not the primary bread winner).

They both had hidden profiles and contacted me first. As soon as I made contact and swapped numbers (usually after several messages), they blocked me. Never asked why, never cared as I had their contact info, maybe to keep the exposure of her pics as minimal as possible?


Even easier. Never respond to any girl that contacts you first. It never ever ever is a girl worth seeing.

FilthyBeaver
08-27-22, 16:35
Everyone has a story and different motivation for being there. There are absolutely girls looking for more than quid pro quo. I've met a PhD with her own practice and a detective. When I asked the PhD what the hell she was doing there she said that she meets far more interesting people there than other dating sites. Fair enough, I can say the same thing about the site. I brought up compensation to her before our first date and she said she didn't want anything. I brought some small gifts anyway and we went on two dates, I was traveling out of the country so it was a very short term thing.

My problem has been suppressing feelings after I've been seeing someone for months. This doesn't happen with the girls just there to pay their rent or whatever but I have found a couple that I genuinely enjoy talking to and spending time with dispute a 20+ year age difference. That gets dangerous.

I completely skip trying to connect with the "platonic" ones but I had one contact me once saying she liked my profile and specifically asking if I was looking for something physical. I replied with complete BS and said it's not required but she needs to be open to it. She wasn't platonic very long. It just comes down to their impression of you and how comfortable you make them.


What do you guys think about women on SA who claim to be looking for love? I mean come on. Really? How is somebody thinking they're going to find love on a site like SA? If they were serious, wouldn't they be trying more "legit" sources to achieve that? It almost makes me want to do exactly what I did with the girls who say they only want "platonic" (skip to the next profile). I just can't take somebody who claims to be looking for love on SA seriously. It kind of reminds me of the old saying, "What's a girl like you doing in a place like this"? What do you all think?

FilthyBeaver
08-27-22, 16:43
I lurk and watch profiles I like for several weeks before I contact them. The number one thing I look for is change of location, if it changes I block the profile so I never see it again. I'm pretty picky so I may only have 15 or 20 profiles at anytime I'm watch.

I don't like the idea of waiting to reply, you need to strike while the iron is hot because some girls only log in once every several weeks. Ideally you catch them as soon as they message you to sink the hook.


If you receive an expression of

interest from somebody with a profile that looks good, I would recommend not responding right away. Wait a few days, and if somebody who represented that they were from New Jersey (as example) has a profile placing them in Texas (or even in a whole other country) only a few days later, then the odds are good that the crook is scamming and is just out to get your money (and waste your time). This is just one easy and early screening tactic that can be used to weed out fraudsters in the early stages of the chase who don't want to waste their own time working a "mark" who may not pay off (and out). They will move on in short order and look to hook some other sucker. Don't let it be you!

NapataJohn
08-27-22, 19:28
I don't like the idea of waiting to reply, you need to strike while the iron is hot because some girls only log in once every several weeks. Ideally you catch them as soon as they message you to sink the hook.I see if they are very new and talk and I also talk to someone who has been there for a while as that means they have not had much luck and are interested in a SD.

Ggekko2009
08-27-22, 19:55
In Colombia, and it probably is not like this now, money was a secondary concern in so many cases with me that I did not even bring it up, and the best dates were ones where money was not expected. One GF type was so happy after meeting me she told all her friends to use the site, and I did not give her any money when we met.

My current gal was usually in her home, at work, daughter's school, the gym, church, or hanging out with friends at bars prior to my meeting her. Is she a different woman if I met her at one of those places and not seeking?In my experience, most girls that I met on SA in Colombia are in it for the money. They are not pros in that sense, but they do need financial help.

I don't mind giving them the money and helping them as long they know that this is just a transaction that are mutually beneficial and not to be expecting anything beyond that.

The Cane
08-27-22, 22:15
I lurk and watch profiles I like for several weeks before I contact them. The number one thing I look for is change of location, if it changes I block the profile so I never see it again. I'm pretty picky so I may only have 15 or 20 profiles at anytime I'm watch.

I don't like the idea of waiting to reply, you need to strike while the iron is hot because some girls only log in once every several weeks. Ideally you catch them as soon as they message you to sink the hook.I don't follow your response. In the first part of it you say that you watch profiles for several weeks and look to see if there is a change of location. If so, then you will block the profile. That's in line with what I said, more or less, not the reverse. What's the reverse is what you say in the second part, which is that one should strike immediately while the iron is hot. Which makes it sound like you don't advise ever waiting to see if one can notice any funny business with a profile. So which one is it? I just found that there's so much fraud, waste, and abuse on SA that it's worth it to wait a few days (not several weeks) to see if you can catch the person behind the profile moving around all over the place within a short period of time.

Steve 9696
08-28-22, 01:51
Some guys might think I'm crazy but I try to treat any SB I get more than one (sex) date with like a long term girlfriend. I always find out her birthday early on and store it with all my other girls. Any girl that I *might* see again or we had a deep connection I send her a CashApp on her birthday. Usually just like $100. I suppose I sent 5-10 birthday presents this past year. I don't honestly do this to get something back. It just feels right with someone you care about.

Am I crazy? Maybe. But I like these girls. And they are always so thrilled mostly because I remembered their birthday. It makes me happy somehow. LOL.

DramaFree11
08-28-22, 01:59
Some guys might think I'm crazy but I try to treat any SB I get more than one (sex) date with like a long term girlfriend. I always find out her birthday early on and store it with all my other girls. Any girl that I *might* see again or we had a deep connection I send her a CashApp on her birthday. Usually just like $100. I suppose I sent 5-10 birthday presents this past year. I don't honestly do this to get something back. It just feels right with someone you care about.

Am I crazy? Maybe. But I like these girls. And they are always so thrilled mostly because I remembered their birthday. It makes me happy somehow. LOL.I do the exact same, but since I am single, so if I meet a girl I am attracted too, I am not opposed to a relationship with them. There is a couple of girls in the CDMX, that I am both physically and mentally attracted too, I would love to have a serious relationship with either. SA rocks, I am having the best tine of my life. I am killing professionally and socially.

DramaFree11
08-28-22, 02:01
In my experience, most girls that I met on SA in Colombia are in it for the money. They are not pros in that sense, but they do need financial help.

I don't mind giving them the money and helping them as long they know that this is just a transaction that are mutually beneficial and not to be expecting anything beyond that.I have to agree, 90% of the Colombian I have met are all about the money. The is why I like the girls from Mxico so much better, they so humble and fun.

FastMdSter
08-28-22, 14:39
So have been busy last few weeks since my last post, mainly due to my travel schedule and having a full SB lineup.

Currently, I'm in a very interesting place (not geographically) but personally. I have been juggling a few incredible SBs in different parts of the world and they all started to fall into a force rank almost of how I feel about them. I also started to lose interest because one has just been above and beyond. The problem was 3 caught feelings hard and I was not doing right by them (canceling trips, in their city but not seeing them, ignoring calls etc). I ended it with 2 of those, 1 ended it for me, but she became an emotional mess calling constantly, texting etc, there was never any money exchanged with her or the other 2 above, just dinners, nights out etc.

Which brings me to my current state of affairs (LOL). You may recall that I met a woman on SA in Vancouver who was a real estate agent. She was on the site for 4 days before closing her account. The woman is a 9. 9. Intelligent, beautiful, funny, 5'8", blonde, blue eyes, real breasts, no lip fillers, financially stable and fit as fuck. Now, you are asking why the fuck was she on there, as did I. After hours of speaking, and after meeting in person 3 x, and then we will be in Napa this week for a tour of some wineries I have an answer. I also expect her situation is no different.

She just turned 28, I know too old for some of you. But, I'm 48.

At 23 she started working for a building developer in Vancouver, the owner and her started a relationship. He was married, had introduced her to his family blah blah. She got the story he would leave, he had no intention. Treated her like a personal slave, plus he controlled her income, a very very unhealthy relationship. No trips, no gifts, no treatment like a girlfriend etc, sex slave basically. But she was young, thought she was in love, we all know the story. But, he also knew what he had, so would track all her movements, calls etc.

After 4 years she finally got the sense to break it off after being convinced by her friends / sister etc. She was not looking for a relationship after that, her motto was "single heartbreaker". So the usual tinder, nights out etc.

End of June she decides she wants to go on vacation, but not by herself. All her friends have boyfriends etc. Her best friend and sister tell her get a Sugar Daddy and be spoiled and have him take you on vacation. They set up a profile on SA use a fake pic with no face of a brunette, not very provocative, but looks very attractive. As all the profiles she starts getting a ton of responses, most are deranged as we know and she decides to close out after 4 days.

I had reached out and sent her my pics, my usual rap, and number. We text a few times on SA and then I see her profile is gone.

About 2 days later she texts me. We have an exchange, goes cold, I send a "hey back in town if your free etc". We speak on the phone, face time blah blah. When we finally met the first time we hit it off amazingly. 100% sexual match and personality.

No money exchange.

In between I'm still fucking my other SBs, but can't get her off my mind. We text almost everyday between that time.

About 3 weeks ago, I'm in Seattle and she's like come see me. I do, because I have 2 other woman there also. Again, it's the same 100%. No money exchange.

This past week I make trip out there and we meet again, only problem is I got greedy and set up for my other 2 woman also. I completely ghosted them, and they would call, text incessantly when I was there. The meeting this time went to another level sexually, and if you remember I'm a PSE guy.

I stayed at the Paradox this time in their big suite which made it even cooler, plus they have lounge with a DJ and a nightclub, so the evenings after dinner and before the sex were also a lot of fun.

Last night we went to eat at Black and Blue, I come out of the bathroom and ask for the check and she had paid. The bill was $620 for 2 people, I was dumbfounded. She has also paid for all our Ubers / Lyfts, door dash one night etc.

But, the rub was about to come.

That night we both agreed she wouldn't sleep over because, I had an 830 flight back to NYC and she had a 9 am showing.

After we are done ravaging each other with her hand massaging my balls, she says to me "how about we be exclusive".

I start sweating, lose 2 shades of my complexion. She says "look, I see the amount of ass you slay, we go unprotected, I don't want to know what you are doing with the others, but we stay like this, it's exclusive". "You going to fuck use a condom and tell me, it won't end it, but I'm catching feelings and then maybe I pull back".

So she also says "I know you get a lot of messages on SA", I said how does she know, she said there is a forum for woman and they enter a profile, almost like a yelp she said, it's more to weed out stalkers / rapists / fat old fucks / fake pics. I said show me and she said "let's not change the conversation". That was news to me.

She was group 4 of my categories and a complete win till "exclusive". I will roll with it next week and see how it goes. The problem is I'm an eternal player, always have been, when I settle down, I stray. I enjoy the hunt as much as the kill.

Until then, be safe and keep slaying.

The Cane
08-28-22, 15:25
She was group 4 of my categories and a complete win till "exclusive".Your group 4 works well with my baseball home run analogy. You see in baseball there are three bases plus home plate. You want to round the three bases and get to the fourth and final stop of home plate to score a run. And when you finally do score a run on SA, there's so much bullshit you had to wade through rounding those three bases to get to home that it's like you just hit a grand slam home run to win the "game"! It's the bottom on the ninth and we're three runs down, bases loaded, with a full count of three balls and two strikes. Here's the pitch and a swing! Pow! That. Ball. Is. Out of here! Gone! The Cane wins the pennant! The Cane wins the Pennant! The Cane wins the pennant! LOLOLOL! I'm pondering a return. Yes I am. As I told Steve, sometimes I wish I hadn't scored my early success. That way, I could just say that the whole site sucks and write it off for good. I still conclude that it mostly does LOL! But, because I had that initial grand slam, I always think about trying to do it again. And now that the sexual relationship with Abby ended after six months of bareback CIP glory, and now that I have decompressed from that experience and learned more strategies and tactics to use to achieve success, I'm thinking about a return. Yes siree Bob I am!

Ggekko2009
08-28-22, 15:32
So she also says "I know you get a lot of messages on SA", I said how does she know, she said there is a forum for woman and they enter a profile, almost like a yelp she said, it's more to weed out stalkers / rapists / fat old fucks / fake pics. I said show me and she said "let's not change the conversation". That was news to me.

Holy cow, this is news to me too. Any idea or more info on where this forum would be?

Steve 9696
08-28-22, 16:17
Your group 4 works well with my baseball home run analogy. You see in baseball there are three bases plus home plate. You want to round the three bases and get to the fourth and final stop of home plate to score a run. And when you finally do score a run on SA, there's so much bullshit you had to wade through rounding those three bases to get to home that it's like you just hit a grand slam home run to win the "game"! It's the bottom on the ninth and we're three runs down, bases loaded, with a full count of three balls and two strikes. Here's the pitch and a swing! Pow! That. Ball. Is. Out of here! Gone! The Cane wins the pennant! The Cane wins the Pennant! The Cane wins the pennant! LOLOLOL! I'm pondering a return. Yes I am. As I told Steve, sometimes I wish I hadn't scored my early success. That way, I could just say that the whole site sucks and write it off for good. I still conclude that it mostly does LOL! But, because I had that initial grand slam, I always think about trying to do it again. And now that the sexual relationship with Abby ended after six months of bareback CIP glory, and now that I have decompressed from that experience and learned more strategies and tactics to use to achieve success, I'm thinking about a return. Yes siree Bob I am!Love the play by play. Yep that's how it feels! There is absolutely an awesome girl out on SA for you, but the likelihood of finding her for two bills like your last girl is zero imo. You should have high expectations to find another awesome girl. After Thifany, I found Alexa, Kayla, Mika, and Shayla (plus numerous other "very good" girls). But in my experience there aren't gems out there under $400. That's kinda the low bar these days! Even in tier two cities!

So you going to have to raise your bid! But I am very confident you will find your girl if you do so.

The Cane
08-28-22, 16:35
So you going to have to raise your bid! But I am very confident you will find your girl if you do so.But recall that the price was not "my" bid. She threw out $250 per meet. And who was I to disagree? LOL! No, my original budget was going to be $500 per meet. Double what she settled for! Of course, I never told her that. If and when I go forward, I will max at $500 per meet again. And we shall see. Had one hottie talking about $1,000 per meet. Not going to happen!

Ilst28
08-28-22, 16:59
Holy cow, this is news to me too. Any idea or more info on where this forum would be?I've been on and off SA for about 3 years now and found some connections. After you look at so many profiles certain keywords and phrases start to stand out. Sometimes whole paragraphs. I always suspected there is some 'coaching' style site out there that these girls are all copying this language from. Some examples:

"I don't care about his age but he's generous enough."

"Someone with the means and integrity to provide for my lifestyle".

"If you can stimulate my mind with conversation."

You get the idea. Not a typical tone or wording that you'd expect to see from so many girls.

I do agree it's getting harder and harder to weed through the nonsense on SA to find those gems and you really have to put in a lot of time to do it.

Steve 9696
08-28-22, 17:31
Thanks for the report. Great fun to read. You however are playing a completely different game than the rest of us. Single, loaded, and attractive. You are using SA as a dating site not a Sugar site. The rest of us are handing out sugar because that's part of the game. If you are not handing out sugar but pulling the hotties anyhow then it's a different game. It's called dating!

Kudos for that. We all wish we could pull hotties for nothing but it's not reality for most of us (married, older, less attractive). But it comes with side effects. If you are fucking several girls — esp bareback — they want and rightfully expect more. They will want more BFGF status and future else why they doing it? And you become a heartbreaker.

Beautiful girls have heart crusher power and some wield it like a weapon. You have been gifted a certain amount of heart breaker power. Wield it wisely Luke, my son! 😜.

FilthyBeaver
08-28-22, 18:17
I lurk with a profile that isn't paid with no pics. It's not findable or searchable. Once I have a stable of 15 that I'm interested in I'll pay & load pics. It takes me 3-4 mo to get to that number. In the meantime I'm watching for changing locations, pics, and text in the profile.

As for actual communication when I'm paid, I respond almost immediately whenever I can. I'll get a message and if I miss her there's a high likelihood I'll never hear from her again. At least that's my experience.

You are absolutely correct on waste fraud & abuse. It's a cesspool, but I've come to accept the fact that it's the only way I'm going to get introduced to girls I'm actually interested in (and has paid off in spades). I made the mistake of looking for people my own age (I'm still in my 40's) and I swear there were more pics of my grandma than anything else. I loved both my grandmothers but I didn't want to fuck either of them.


I don't follow your response. In the first part of it you say that you watch profiles for several weeks and look to see if there is a change of location. If so, then you will block the profile. That's in line with what I said, more or less, not the reverse. What's the reverse is what you say in the second part, which is that one should strike immediately while the iron is hot. Which makes it sound like you don't advise ever waiting to see if one can notice any funny business with a profile. So which one is it? I just found that there's so much fraud, waste, and abuse on SA that it's worth it to wait a few days (not several weeks) to see if you can catch the person behind the profile moving around all over the place within a short period of time.

FilthyBeaver
08-28-22, 18:27
Agree. If you like them enough to see them several times, why wouldn't you treat them like a GF? Even if it's an illusion, the more real it feels the better the experience. I'm all for shows, travel, dinners, etc. But I don't do it with girls who can't hold a conversation or I'm only interested in banging. I like doing those things and having company I enjoy is totally worth it. I'm not much of a gift giver mostly because I hate thinking about what to give them but I own a business that provides services that almost everyone on the planet needs so I also help them out there.

Women love little shit like remembering their birthdays. I couldn't care less about mine, haven't celebrated it since I turned 21.


Some guys might think I'm crazy but I try to treat any SB I get more than one (sex) date with like a long term girlfriend. I always find out her birthday early on and store it with all my other girls. Any girl that I *might* see again or we had a deep connection I send her a CashApp on her birthday. Usually just like $100. I suppose I sent 5-10 birthday presents this past year. I don't honestly do this to get something back. It just feels right with someone you care about.

Am I crazy? Maybe. But I like these girls. And they are always so thrilled mostly because I remembered their birthday. It makes me happy somehow. LOL.

AmorPorFavor
08-28-22, 18:53
Has anybody used SA in Tijuana? Any ideas on what would be the most you should pay for a top shelf chica? Like a easy 9 or 10.

Steve 9696
08-28-22, 19:25
But recall that the price was not "my" bid. She threw out $250 per meet. And who was I to disagree? LOL! No, my original budget was going to be $500 per meet. Double what she settled for! Of course, I never told her that. If and when I go forward, I will max at $500 per meet again. And we shall see. Had one hottie talking about $1,000 per meet. Not going to happen!I'the forgotten that part of the story. What a grand slam home run touchdown game finisher.

But you are all set then. You can def find a top shelf hottie for $500. Just got to weed out all the posers and girls who ask 800-1000. Agree. Wtf? But wade thru all that and you will have urself SA hottie #2!

AmericanPi
08-28-22, 22:27
Has anybody used SA in Tijuana? Any ideas on what would be the most you should pay for a top shelf chica? Like a easy 9 or 10.I have. Saw a 19 yo tiny little spinner. So cute. And prior time a 21 yo hottie.

I tend to be generous because my biggest fear is cancellations. Like going down there and having nothing to do.

I usually offer 6000 to 7000 pesos, about 300-350 dollars, for dinner and time after, usually 5 hours. This has never been negotiated higher so I assume it's considered very good.

If you don't have global entry don't bother tho. The line to get back to the states can easily be 2-3 hours.

AsianPursuits
08-28-22, 22:59
So she also says "I know you get a lot of messages on SA", I said how does she know, she said there is a forum for woman and they enter a profile, almost like a yelp she said, it's more to weed out stalkers / rapists / fat old fucks / fake pics. I said show me and she said "let's not change the conversation". That was news to me.
Thanks for the good insight into this lady. Did you (or anyone) every get details of this site?

DramaFree11
08-29-22, 02:49
I have. Saw a 19 yo tiny little spinner. So cute. And prior time a 21 yo hottie.

I tend to be generous because my biggest fear is cancellations. Like going down there and having nothing to do.

I usually offer 6000 to 7000 pesos, about 300-350 dollars, for dinner and time after, usually 5 hours. This has never been negotiated higher so I assume it's considered very good.

If you don't have global entry don't bother tho. The line to get back to the states can easily be 2-3 hours.What area in Mexico is this? I usually offer 4000-5000 pesos in CDMX, for 3-4 hours and 2 pops. This works like a charm. I will go to 6000 if they are super hot, 9 or 10. I pay a little less in MTY.

Elvis 2008
08-29-22, 05:40
The woman is a 9. 9. Intelligent, beautiful, funny, 5'8", blonde, blue eyes, real breasts, no lip fillers, financially stable and fit as fuck.That is like my gal. If she was on the NYC escort scene, she would be doing $1000+ an hour like your gal would.


She just turned 28, I know too old for some of you. But, I'm 48.It is 24 years difference with me and my gal.


Treated her like a personal slave, plus he controlled her income, a very very unhealthy relationship.Pretty much same deal. She had a bad relationship and swore off men. Covid hit, and she was not as active and got lonely.


No money exchange. Last night we went to eat at Black and Blue, I come out of the bathroom and ask for the check and she had paid. The bill was $620 for 2 people.Whenever a woman does not take money from a guy on seeking, she wants some kind of real relationship. The second part is that when she paid for the bill she is showing you that she wants to be a partner and not a leech. These are very good signs, and I never got them when I was on seeking and married.


After we are done ravaging each other with her hand massaging my balls, she says to me "how about we be exclusive".

I start sweating, lose 2 shades of my complexion. She says "look, I see the amount of ass you slay."LOL. This kind of thing always gets me in that men think they are getting away with seeing other women. There are a million tells with both sexes. If the "cheating" is silent, it usually will be tolerated.

With the age thing, everyone has personality types and traits. My top two traits are sensing, how the world is, and thinking, using facts to make decisions. My current girl's top two traits are opposite of mine, feeling and intuition, how the world can be.

I used to put down feelers as irrational and intuitive as unrealistic and with age, it is even easier to put down the traits you prefer not to use. But I know now no matter how smart I am, I will never be as good with feelings or intuition as her. I have no problem now asking someone who is 28 and better at those things for advice, so the age does not matter as much to me now. I no longer expect to be smarter on all things.

As far as people and the age difference, people can easily see if a girl on a guy's arm is in love versus one getting paid.

When I was with my woman, she shed real tears at the end of one of our first trip, and I was like, "Holy shit, this woman is in love with me. " I gave up my fun relationships for a more meaningful one because I knew how rare this was. I will never forget what one female friend said about the fun girls, "Those WG are not going anywhere."

But before I did, I had sex with someone great in bed before I committed and honestly, the sex was no better than I had with my gal. I went to strip clubs twice and made two stunners cum. Both wanted to see me outside the club but one was bipolar and the other was pretty much a sugar baby type pro, and I realized even if the sex is great, inevitably things are going to fade or not going to end well. Been there, done that. The thrill of the hunt for me was gone.

When you are on the hunt, you are always looking for that great next kill. Thing is you forget the no shows, the women who are horrible in bed, the greedy pigs, the fools, the games ETC. Unlike with a new girl, I know with mine, she is going to be there, and the sex will be great. And even though I never minded the spending at the time, I would look after the fact at how much the bills were when pursuing women and would ask myself, "If you had to spend it again, wouldn't you rather have a 100 inch TV (or whatever) versus the money you just spent on these women?" That was not always the case but it was way too often. The amount of money and time we spend pursuing and catching these women is massive.

So Fast, you have to ask yourself are you tired of the bullshit and cost of the chase? Or can you convince yourself you are?

The bonus is as good as your woman has been in bed with you, it will get better when you commit. You think she has nothing more to give but when she truly is your woman, she will really give you all she has. I do not think you can have the best sex with a woman unless there is commitment. They will always hold a little back IMO.

As of now, she knows you and you can be straight with her. If you are afraid that you will stray, tell her that. Tell her you just got out of a painful divorce and not yet ready to settle in. She will tolerate your playing for a while.

I was scared of straying so I asked if she were open for threesomes. She said no, but I do not think it hurts to ask. I would have committed sooner had she said yes.

We have talked marriage but before I even brought up the hard prenup questions, she said, "I will sign whatever you want. " I suspect your gal would do the same. A working woman gets wanting to keep the fruits of labor. A non working woman may not.

If you really have found a great woman, it is probably best to put the energy of the hunt into something else. I was engaged to a different woman who still has the best body of any woman I have been with, and it took me two years of looking really hard to truly find someone in her class. The extreme beauties are not easy to find and even harder to land, and you have to sift through all the ones who are narcissists, bipolar, or just crazy selfish. But to find one who can pay her own way? That is even rarer.

There was a massive 2002 (meta analysis that showed condoms pretty much do not work to prevent STDs. The government tried to bury it, and I have been latex free since reading that study and have not had any issues. Like you, I had an antibiotic / antiviral cocktail I take if I am concerned with STDs and unlike condoms, they really work. Latex is a huge allergen, and I think the notion of calling condom use "safe sex" is foolish. Show her the study and say you will get tested every 3 or 4 months, and I bet she will consider staying condom free.

Every woman has red flags. With my ex, I saw them and naively thought when we were married, they would get better. Of course, they did not. This time, I had a trusted female friend vet my gal and she told me her flaws and I did listen. After that, she said, "But I think she is too good for you. " Hopefully, you will have the same.

Elvis 2008
08-29-22, 05:49
Has anybody used SA in Tijuana? Any ideas on what would be the most you should pay for a top shelf chica? Like a easy 9 or 10.There were not that many women there when I looked, and it is pretty easy for women to work the clubs and make decent $ if they are willing to sell their bodies. The strippers in Hong Kong are a little different than USA strippers in that they come from all over Mexico. I hooked up with a beauty from Puerto Vallarta at HK and she badly wanted to show me her home town. I did not follow up on it, but I think that approach to find beauties would bear much more fruit than SA in Tijuana. I think outside the strip club the women will look at you more as SD and less as a mark but I could be wrong. SA is great in the bigger Mexican cities. I had a friend even score big in Cabo.

AmorPorFavor
08-29-22, 20:12
There were not that many women there when I looked, and it is pretty easy for women to work the clubs and make decent $ if they are willing to sell their bodies. The strippers in Hong Kong are a little different than USA strippers in that they come from all over Mexico. I hooked up with a beauty from Puerto Vallarta at HK and she badly wanted to show me her home town. I did not follow up on it, but I think that approach to find beauties would bear much more fruit than SA in Tijuana. I think outside the strip club the women will look at you more as SD and less as a mark but I could be wrong. SA is great in the bigger Mexican cities. I had a friend even score big in Cabo.I'm down there every week now for a year and a half for one night, TLN BBFS, with a SB from SA but its getting old. I would rate her an easy 8. I go to HK every now and then. Had a lunch with a smoking hot SB last week, a 10. She is asking $500 and said she would spend 5 hours with me but I doubt it. Its too much as I pay $250 now. Wondering how much to counter with?

Elvis 2008
08-30-22, 01:38
I'm down there every week now for a year and a half for one night, TLN BBFS, with a SB from SA but its getting old. I would rate her an easy 8. I go to HK every now and then. Had a lunch with a smoking hot SB last week, a 10. She is asking $500 and said she would spend 5 hours with me but I doubt it. Its too much as I pay $250 now. Wondering how much to counter with?Guys have different scales. I had no issues getting the 8 types for $100 or $150 for an hour in Mexico City, and that is usually what I got. The 10 types wanted $500, and two out of three times I paid it, and it was worth it, but that was in Mexico City.

You might want to try an allowance after you first date if you are there every weekend. I would not do this unless there was a 10 type but there were two women, one Venezuelan and one Colombian in Mexico City, that were 10 types and down with my seeing them as much as I wanted if I covered their expenses. One wanted $1200 and the other $1500 per month. That is something to consider if you are there every weekend. Both of these women would be in the $1000 in hour club in NYC.

Steve 9696
08-30-22, 12:40
I'm down there every week now for a year and a half for one night, TLN BBFS, with a SB from SA but its getting old. I would rate her an easy 8. I go to HK every now and then. Had a lunch with a smoking hot SB last week, a 10. She is asking $500 and said she would spend 5 hours with me but I doubt it. Its too much as I pay $250 now. Wondering how much to counter with?I've had a couple conversations like this. Her: $500. Me: you are absolutely amazing but that's a bit beyond my budget. Let's do $400? Her: $500. Me: How about this. I really like you an Will want to see you a lot. We do $500 because it's the first meeting. But if we vibe and are seeing each other often we move to $400.

Had this work more than once and if you are fun to hang with they won't think twice about it once you are a thing.

AmericanPi
08-30-22, 14:24
A little off-topic, but something interesting I learned doing SA and escorts in Mexican cities. All of them. As a gringo you naturally go to the center of town. It's where the safety and action are. I always ask girls where they are coming from because I'm interested. 9 out of 10 times girls live way far away. Not like cities over. But far. In Tijuana it might be south or East Tijuana like Tecate. In CDMX it might be way south of the city center like a 45 minute Uber, or east near the airport which is kind of gritty.

This is not instructive in any way. It's merely interesting. I stay in nice hotels or apartments, and I've come to expect that girls will really linger in the showers. I've realized it's because the bathrooms are not like the ones they have at home. They probably appear to be luxurious and a treat.

Again no specific action on the insight. But interesting to see from their perspective how a 4 star hotel in the city center must appear if you ubered from a working class exurb.

I almost always take girls to really fancy restaurants because that's where I want to eat and I want company. Some girls settle in pretty convincingly. Most appear as fish out of water. Like they order the wrong things. For ex you go to a restaurant with a really well considered wine and cocktail selection, and they'll order a Tecate.


Guys have different scales. I had no issues getting the 8 types for $100 or $150 for an hour in Mexico City, and that is usually what I got. The 10 types wanted $500, and two out of three times I paid it, and it was worth it, but that was in Mexico City.

You might want to try an allowance after you first date if you are there every weekend. I would not do this unless there was a 10 type but there were two women, one Venezuelan and one Colombian in Mexico City, that were 10 types and down with my seeing them as much as I wanted if I covered their expenses. One wanted $1200 and the other $1500 per month. That is something to consider if you are there every weekend. Both of these women would be in the $1000 in hour club in NYC.

AmorPorFavor
08-30-22, 16:36
A little off-topic, but something interesting I learned doing SA and escorts in Mexican cities. All of them. As a gringo you naturally go to the center of town. It's where the safety and action are. I always ask girls where they are coming from because I'm interested. 9 out of 10 times girls live way far away. Not like cities over. But far. In Tijuana it might be south or East Tijuana like Tecate. In CDMX it might be way south of the city center like a 45 minute Uber, or east near the airport which is kind of gritty.

This is not instructive in any way. It's merely interesting. I stay in nice hotels or apartments, and I've come to expect that girls will really linger in the showers. I've realized it's because the bathrooms are not like the ones they have at home. They probably appear to be luxurious and a treat.

Again no specific action on the insight. But interesting to see from their perspective how a 4 star hotel in the city center must appear if you ubered from a working class exurb.

I almost always take girls to really fancy restaurants because that's where I want to eat and I want company. Some girls settle in pretty convincingly. Most appear as fish out of water. Like they order the wrong things. For ex you go to a restaurant with a really well considered wine and cocktail selection, and they'll order a Tecate.I take my regular girl to one of the nice restaurants in Tijuana every time as well. And they are as good as any in San Diego. But she is from an upper middle class family and has already eaten at most of them so knows how to order the good stuff and helps me with my order. She lives with her family in the suburbs. And, of course, I stay in a nice hotel and she does love the long showers.

AmorPorFavor
08-30-22, 16:38
I've had a couple conversations like this. Her: $500. Me: you are absolutely amazing but that's a bit beyond my budget. Let's do $400? Her: $500. Me: How about this. I really like you an Will want to see you a lot. We do $500 because it's the first meeting. But if we vibe and are seeing each other often we move to $400.

Had this work more than once and if you are fun to hang with they won't think twice about it once you are a thing.So I guess I should counter offer with $400 and no lower?

MiamiBoy1
08-30-22, 20:23
How do you guys deal with situations when your SB dates someone else or has an arrangement with someone else when you are away? Every time I find out my SB fucks somebody, I go nuts. I understand that she is techically free to do whatevere she wants, because my arrangements are not exclusive (no monthly or weekly allowance, just PPM) and while I'm away she needs to pay her bills, have support, be taken care of and be loved / fucked. At the same time, I become super jealous and there is nothing I can do about it. I think the reason this is happeing is because I often, if not always, catch feelings for them. I'm not talking real true love. I'm talking affection, care, friendship, emotional connection. Every time I meet a seeking girl I do my best to make her my regular SB, someone I could see on a regular basis or during my future trips. I have always been traveling to pretty much same countries and cities just because I want to see the girls I had met prior. I try not go hunting unless I really have to and prefer to rely on a few girls that I met before rather than chase new ones. Once I'm away, my SBs don't stay alone for a long time, someone always grabs them. Some girls continue to date guys from Seeking, others find a boyfriend. When I'm away I usually keep in touch with them, especially if I have another trip planned soon. I also follow them on social media, so I have a good idea where they have been and what they been up to.

If I was a weekend warrior traveling places and meeting girls 1-2 times per trip, I probably would not give a fuck about what they do and whom the fuck. But I'm the opposite, I travel for extended periods of time, invest time and effort in building good relationships (even though, ppm, but you know what I mean) and it sucks to see them fucking others. The only solution I see is to stop following them on social media or texting, this way I won't know anything, but not knowing anything would also drive me crazy.

FilthyBeaver
08-30-22, 20:55
If you're not giving them enough to support themselves while you're away and / or have not had the exclusivity talk then what do you expect? If you're naive enough to think you're the only guy she's seen or seeing I have a bridge to sell you that has great toll income for really cheap.

Be smart enough to not want to know the answer to whatever questions are driving you crazy and you'll be at ease. If you can't, this isn't the lifestyle for you.

I'm not jealous but I have fallen for a couple of them. When it ended I was really sad but when it was on I didn't think about things I couldn't control and it really didn't bother me all that much.


How do you guys deal with situations when your SB dates someone else or has an arrangement with someone else when you are away? Every time I find out my SB fucks somebody, I go nuts. I understand that she is techically free to do whatevere she wants, because my arrangements are not exclusive (no monthly or weekly allowance, just PPM) and while I'm away she needs to pay her bills, have support, be taken care of and be loved / fucked. At the same time, I become super jealous and there is nothing I can do about it. I think the reason this is happeing is because I often, if not always, catch feelings for them. I'm not talking real true love. I'm talking affection, care, friendship, emotional connection. Every time I meet a seeking girl I do my best to make her my regular SB, someone I could see on a regular basis or during my future trips. I have always been traveling to pretty much same countries and cities just because I want to see the girls I had met prior. I try not go hunting unless I really have to and prefer to rely on a few girls that I met before rather than chase new ones. Once I'm away, my SBs don't stay alone for a long time, someone always grabs them. Some girls continue to date guys from Seeking, others find a boyfriend. When I'm away I usually keep in touch with them, especially if I have another trip planned soon. I also follow them on social media, so I have a good idea where they have been and what they been up to..

Steve 9696
08-30-22, 21:26
How do you guys deal with situations when your SB dates someone else or has an arrangement with someone else when you are away? Every time I find out my SB fucks somebody, I go nuts. I understand that she is techically free to do whatevere she wants, because my arrangements are not exclusive (no monthly or weekly allowance, just PPM) and while I'm away she needs to pay her bills, have support, be taken care of and be loved / fucked. At the same time, I become super jealous and there is nothing I can do about it. I think the reason this is happeing is because I often, if not always, catch feelings for them. I'm not talking real true love. I'm talking affection, care, friendship, emotional connection. Every time I meet a seeking girl I do my best to make her my regular SB, someone I could see on a regular basis or during my future trips. I have always been traveling to pretty much same countries and cities just because I want to see the girls I had met prior. I try not go hunting unless I really have to and prefer to rely on a few girls that I met before rather than chase new ones. Once I'm away, my SBs don't stay alone for a long time, someone always grabs them. Some girls continue to date guys from Seeking, others find a boyfriend. When I'm away I usually keep in touch with them, especially if I have another trip planned soon. I also follow them on social media, so I have a good idea where they have been and what they been up to.

If I was a weekend warrior traveling places and meeting girls 1-2 times per trip, I probably would not give a fuck about what they do and whom the fuck. But I'm the opposite, I travel for extended periods of time, invest time and effort in building good relationships (even though, ppm, but you know what I mean) and it sucks to see them fucking others. The only solution I see is to stop following them on social media or texting, this way I won't know anything, but not knowing anything would also drive me crazy.Yeah totally get this. I learned early in my journey to move to a don't ask don't tell policy. After my initial amazing week in London with Thifany I got her IG sorta by accident. And I learned that three weeks later she got engaged! Brasileiras eh? Man it was hard to see her all happy with her fiancée. I was happy for her but it hurt like fuck. I stopped looking.

After that I made it policy to NOT follow any girls social. You know they are partying and fucking random guys but fuck I don't want to see it! I've been much happier.

Actually my home girl Shayla who I am smitten with. I've accidentally run across her active on Seeking a couple times. So she's still on the prowl for one reason or another even tho I think I meet her every need. Did not like that feeling! I have changed my location so she doesn't come up anymore. I've def caught feelings and don't ask don't tell is the only way to mitigate that.

DramaFree11
08-30-22, 22:20
Yeah totally get this. I learned early in my journey to move to a don't ask don't tell policy. After my initial amazing week in London with Thifany I got her IG sorta by accident. And I learned that three weeks later she got engaged! Brasileiras eh? Man it was hard to see her all happy with her fiance. I was happy for her but it hurt like fuck. I stopped looking.

After that I made it policy to NOT follow any girls social. You know they are partying and fucking random guys but fuck I don't want to see it! I've been much happier.

Actually my home girl Shayla who I am smitten with. I've accidentally run across her active on Seeking a couple times. So she's still on the prowl for one reason or another even tho I think I meet her every need. Did not like that feeling! I have changed my location so she doesn't come up anymore. I've def caught feelings and don't ask don't tell is the only way to mitigate that.Steve, you beat me to the punch. I never bring it up. Now there are 2 super hot and sweet girls that I am talking to on CDMX. I did talk with one, about an exclusive arrangement, but to me that would basically would be a relationship. I would totally be down, she is an incredible person and a freak in bed, but her parents are super strict. She says if she leaves there is no going back. Time will tell. There is also a new girl that is a solid 8 or 9, I would also definitely commit to her. I told myself if I find a great girl, I would commit, why screw it up a good thing. I am meeting amazing girls in CDMX. Unlike MTY were I has only physically attracted to most of the girls I met. In the CDMX I am both physically and mentally attracted to most of the girls I meet. I am having the best time of my life.

Update, the model is back texting me, telling me how she misses me. I ignored her and she came back. The only bad thing is she is off to Europe, probably to see another dude. I would have also committed to her in the past, but now probably not.

Miami b, I think most of the girls you are meeting are in Colombia. One of the reasons I hated Colombia, so much was the girls were so jealous, this is a total turn off to me. It was insane how jealous they were and it started day one. I could deal with there laziness, but not the jealousy.

Good luck and I enjoy your posts.

MiamiBoy1
08-31-22, 02:02
If you're not giving them enough to support themselves while you're away and / or have not had the exclusivity talk then what do you expect? If you're naive enough to think you're the only guy she's seen or seeing I have a bridge to sell you that has great toll income for really cheap.

Be smart enough to not want to know the answer to whatever questions are driving you crazy and you'll be at ease. If you can't, this isn't the lifestyle for you.

I'm not jealous but I have fallen for a couple of them. When it ended I was really sad but when it was on I didn't think about things I couldn't control and it really didn't bother me all that much.I don't really believe in exclusivity thing, I agree with DF, if it is exlcusive, then it becomes similar to a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. Would I be able to commit to one girl at a time? I think I would. But since I don't live permanently in the countries I visit and also don't travel with sufficient frequency, like every week or two, I don't think an exclusive agreement would make sense. How can I be sure she doesn't fuck others while I'm away? If I lived in MDE or CDMX, I would definitely look into this, or perhaps, would try to get a real girlfriend.

Also, most of the girls I'm meeting have jobs, at least part time, or study and supported by parents. Therefore, they are not desperate to fuck for money because their basic needs are covered. But who doesn't like to have some extra cash or travel, or wine and dine at nice restaurants?

Akibono
08-31-22, 02:13
How do you guys deal with situations when your SB dates someone else or has an arrangement with someone else when you are away? Every time I find out my SB fucks somebody, I go nuts. I understand that she is techically free to do whatevere she wants, because my arrangements are not exclusive (no monthly or weekly allowance, just PPM) and while I'm away she needs to pay her bills, have support, be taken care of and be loved / fucked. At the same time, I become super jealous and there is nothing I can do about it. I think the reason this is happeing is because I often, if not always, catch feelings for them. I'm not talking real true love. I'm talking affection, care, friendship, emotional connection. Every time I meet a seeking girl I do my best to make her my regular SB, someone I could see on a regular basis or during my future trips. I have always been traveling to pretty much same countries and cities just because I want to see the girls I had met prior. I try not go hunting unless I really have to and prefer to rely on a few girls that I met before rather than chase new ones. Once I'm away, my SBs don't stay alone for a long time, someone always grabs them. Some girls continue to date guys from Seeking, others find a boyfriend. When I'm away I usually keep in touch with them, especially if I have another trip planned soon. I also follow them on social media, so I have a good idea where they have been and what they been up to..Unless you plan to marry them, it is just your ego being hurt. Plus, a marriage minded relationship is different. They get expectations and may become jealous. I remind myself that I am getting the best years of their life. So, what I pay is cheap. If you have a perishable commodity, you use it while you can. It doesn't last long and the smart girls know this. Enjoy and do not look back.

Akibono
08-31-22, 02:20
So I guess I should counter offer with $400 and no lower?What you are asking is does a girl have a bottom line? It depends on her prospects and expectations. If you pay above the market rate, you have leverage. If she expects a certain income for a lifestyle she will always try trading up. Like a auction, you ask yourself what is worth more, the extra 100/200 or the chance she will not be available to you. I find that the best girls are worth the high price because they are rare.

DramaFree11
08-31-22, 02:36
Yeah totally get this. I learned early in my journey to move to a don't ask don't tell policy. After my initial amazing week in London with Thifany I got her IG sorta by accident. And I learned that three weeks later she got engaged! Brasileiras eh? Man it was hard to see her all happy with her fiance. I was happy for her but it hurt like fuck. I stopped looking.

After that I made it policy to NOT follow any girls social. You know they are partying and fucking random guys but fuck I don't want to see it! I've been much happier.

Actually my home girl Shayla who I am smitten with. I've accidentally run across her active on Seeking a couple times. So she's still on the prowl for one reason or another even tho I think I meet her every need. Did not like that feeling! I have changed my location so she doesn't come up anymore. I've def caught feelings and don't ask don't tell is the only way to mitigate that.Great Point about Social Media. I do the same, I do not want to know!!

DramaFree11
08-31-22, 02:42
Guys have different scales. I had no issues getting the 8 types for $100 or $150 for an hour in Mexico City, and that is usually what I got. The 10 types wanted $500, and two out of three times I paid it, and it was worth it, but that was in Mexico City.

You might want to try an allowance after you first date if you are there every weekend. I would not do this unless there was a 10 type but there were two women, one Venezuelan and one Colombian in Mexico City, that were 10 types and down with my seeing them as much as I wanted if I covered their expenses. One wanted $1200 and the other $1500 per month. That is something to consider if you are there every weekend. Both of these women would be in the $1000 in hour club in NYC.Prices have changed, in CDMX. $150, is not going to work. You can get 6.5-7.5, for $200-250. I ask for3-4 hour and 2 pops.

I will not go above $300. The girls from Europe, Venz. And Colombia are going to want $300-500, do not mess with them. If you want European go to Europe it will be much cheaper, same with Colombia. Stick with the locals, much more fun and down to earth. I had an girl ask for $500 today, I just laughed, she was 7.5-8, no way will I pay that in Mexico.

AmericanPi
08-31-22, 13:43
I totally agree with these people. Nobody has a right to exclusive poon when they pay for it. Even if one discussed an exclusive relationship I still think that's not a reasonable expectation. You're still a paying lover, and it's delusional to think the money is not the central fact of your participation in the relationship. And the girl can earn more merely doing more of what she did to land you when you're not around. Expecting exclusivity in a sugar relationship is just naive in my opinion.

Steve I'm surprised to see that Shayla is prowling the site. The way you speak of her is in such glowing terms that one would conclude you exist in a relationship that transcends the reality of its origins. I have no doubt she's special and a freak in the sheets, but I wonder if you two are watching the same movie here.


Yeah totally get this. I learned early in my journey to move to a don't ask don't tell policy. After my initial amazing week in London with Thifany I got her IG sorta by accident. And I learned that three weeks later she got engaged! Brasileiras eh? Man it was hard to see her all happy with her fiance. I was happy for her but it hurt like fuck. I stopped looking.

After that I made it policy to NOT follow any girls social. You know they are partying and fucking random guys but fuck I don't want to see it! I've been much happier..

FilthyBeaver
08-31-22, 14:19
Stop dwelling on it. At the end of the day she fucks you for money or things. Does she have feelings? We all do. Do the feelings influence her behavior? Probably not. How can you possibly expect that you're the only one? I guarantee there's someone out there with a bigger schlong, more money, better looking, you name it. Akibono is right, check your ego at the door or you'll go crazy.

Others are right, stay off social media, I don't have any so I don't ask. One girl did show me hers once and it had, what I would consider, a ton of guys on it for her age. Didn't bother me a bit, she had a life before we met and I never told her I expected to be the only one (she would not have accepted it anyway). What I was getting from her was worth that price to me.


I don't really believe in exclusivity thing, I agree with DF, if it is exlcusive, then it becomes similar to a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. Would I be able to commit to one girl at a time? I think I would. But since I don't live permanently in the countries I visit and also don't travel with sufficient frequency, like every week or two, I don't think an exclusive agreement would make sense. How can I be sure she doesn't fuck others while I'm away? If I lived in MDE or CDMX, I would definitely look into this, or perhaps, would try to get a real girlfriend.

Ggekko2009
08-31-22, 15:07
Prices have changed, in CDMX. $150, is not going to work. You can get 6.5-7.5, for $200-250. I ask for3-4 hour and 2 pops.

I will not go above $300. The girls from Europe, Venz. And Colombia are going to want $300-500, do not mess with them. If you want European go to Europe it will be much cheaper, same with Colombia. Stick with the locals, much more fun and down to earth. I had an girl ask for $500 today, I just laughed, she was 7.5-8, no way will I pay that in Mexico.It is really interesting to see and experience the dynamics of pricing at play here, academically speaking of course. I remember reading about an article from The Economist magazine where they did a research, that actually the more the girl is paid, the less sex that are demanded of them. Kind of like wanting to enjoy the companionship etc etc, not just wham bam goodbye mam.

As you said, I would definitely stick with local girls whenever possible. I would definitely go to Colombia for Colombian girls and ditto for European ones too. I remember being quoted for $800 from a Colombian girl in a bar in Singapore several years back. I laughed and wanted to tell her but held back, I could have eight of her of the same caliber for that price in Colombia. It is also definitely a matter of supply and demand.

Elvis 2008
08-31-22, 16:34
Unless you plan to marry them, it is just your ego being hurt.I am shaking my head at that. You know two other guys told Miami Boy he had stars in his eyes with these women, and I told them off. Now I have egg all over my face for lecturing them. You are right Aki. It is ego, and I would add he is clueless as to which women may really like him and which ones are solely in it for money. I do not get it. He has all these problems in Colombia that I never had, and maybe it is because he is pushing this, "Do you really like me" agenda. I may not always verbalize it but I start from a position that I cannot control you and you cannot control me and loyalty only matters when we are together. After that, I do not want to know what you are doing and vice versa. I actually think women like this.


Plus, a marriage minded relationship is different. They get expectations and may become jealous.Exactly, and I even wonder if MB has ever been in a relationship. A men's rights guy took a female profile in match.com and changed the sexes. So instead of a woman saying she wanted a man making $100,000 per year, he said he wanted a woman making $100,000 a year. And he followed it up with good looking, in shape, likes to keep a clean house, has a great sense of humor, and loves to treat me like the prince I am. And you know what the reaction of the women was? They went off on him. There is literally nothing off limits with what women expect from men but how dare men expect anything.

When I went through my divorce and spent my own hard earned money, if I did not tell my wife what I was buying, I was told that was fraud against the community. The money I spent on other women was stealing, but the fact that she got a job not when we were married but the day she filed for divorce was fine. Her sitting on her ass bitching all the time was fine with the law. Hell, she even called the police and complained that I was yelling at her, and she asked them if she had to put up with that, and they told her no. She was shocked when I moved out when she had the police on speed dial trying to get me arrested for an unpleasant tone of voice and to this day, I do not think she or most women see what is wrong with that. If you say something I do not like, you should be arrested.

Even now with this gal, she wants to spend 12 hours a day talking on the phone and the other 12 texting. And women seem to be able to go months or years without having sex but when they are in love, they are hornier than we are. I love sex but unlike them we have limits on orgasms and functional organs. Now it is like, "Okay, let us hold off for a while. I need to breathe."

A comedian did a bit about how indirect women are. He would leave his pants on the floor before going to bed and his wife did not like it. Instead of asking him to pick up his pants, she said, "Whose pants are those on the floor? And he said, "Well, they better be mine. " What he did not mention is that women may start with being annoyed with pants on the floor but what they really mean is you do not love them anymore, you do not appreciate them, and you are probably off seeing other women. If a guy says, "Okay, fine, I will hang my pants up. Jeez." The woman will say you do not understand anything. Yes, being in a committed relationship means you have to read the mind of your female partner and God help you if you cannot.

My current gal was telling me her father was seeing three other women when married and her brother was seeing two women at once. I told my gal that is only half of it. The other part is that the women they originally were supposed to be committed to were probably engaging in emasculating and annoying behavior. If a woman is really sweet and loving, I told her that I do not think men want to risk losing that, but if the men feel badly, they may seek out a woman who makes them feel good. I think she was surprised that I did not just agree with her and say what the men in her family was doing was terrible.

But yeah, if MB were in a committed relationship for 3 months, or maybe more like 2 years for him, he will see the dark side of commitment.

If a woman needs $2000 a month, and I can pay her $1000, and she can get the other $1000 from another guy, why would I not want that? If she is available when I want her (and we can work out a schedule for that), who cares? Being exclusive means you are the exclusive provider, and the woman better be fucking amazing before a guy does that. The way smart men have learned to deal with women and their crazy expectations is not to commit.

MiamiBoy1
08-31-22, 18:33
Prices have changed, in CDMX. $150, is not going to work. You can get 6.5-7.5, for $200-250. I ask for3-4 hour and 2 pops.

I will not go above $300. The girls from Europe, Venz. And Colombia are going to want $300-500, do not mess with them. If you want European go to Europe it will be much cheaper, same with Colombia. Stick with the locals, much more fun and down to earth. I had an girl ask for $500 today, I just laughed, she was 7.5-8, no way will I pay that in Mexico.I love CDMX but it has become quite expensive. Prices almost doubled since the pandemic. I prefer Colombia, because from Miami it takes the same amount of time to get there as to get to CDMX, fights cost more or less the same. But everything else is cheaper in Colombia. High end restaurants, housing, girls' rates. 80-100 bucks can get you a 7-8 easily if you don't like to negotiate. Top girls would ask 600 k-1 million cop, that's just above 200 bucks tops. In terms of talent, Colombia beats Mexico, I have said this before, the hottest girls in Mexico are usually not Mexicans, but foreigners. Colombians, Venezuelans, Eastern Europeans and cost 2 x of what you would pay for the same quality in Colombia.

I used to rent a nice apartment on the 23rd floor right on Reforma Avenue for about 1500 bucks a month, now they want 3000-3500. I don't see this crazy inflation in Colombia, and COP is at all times lows.

DF, can't wait for your CDMX trip report though.

Gfefan
09-01-22, 00:40
After weeding through a lot of pros, annoying gold diggers, finally found a gem. SA in US requires a lot more patience as advocated by veterans here. Totally agree.

Got a scrap phone for $60+ taxes without ID (activation code was sent to my main phone. So, law enforcement can still get to me if I commit a crime but girls cannot, at least not relativepy easily). Been on the edge about SA membership. Fees goes over $100 but that is the maximum I could get as prepaid card from Target on cash. So, kept with contacts I obtained before landing in US. Too many weeded out.

Finally one gem (a bit older but tall, fit and attractive. Would have been a 9 ten / fifteen years ago but is still a 7). Plan for meet and greet dinner.

Had some food, drinks and conversation heated up. We kind of aligend on 500 ppm (is that normal?

Left restaurant, went for a walk by the beach. Kisses, cuddling, found a dark spot (she has a fantasy of doing outdoors). We had no plans of fucking (only meet and greet) but we ended up fucking. Amazing BJ, she was already wet and I slid it in. Bareback. One of the exciting sex we had. My second at a beach after 10 years.

Apologetically, I did not carry so much cash. And she said not to bother. We will meet again. Think I found a keeper.

Steve 9696
09-01-22, 02:53
After weeding through a lot of pros, annoying gold diggers, finally found a gem. SA in US requires a lot more patience as advocated by veterans here. Totally agree.

Got a scrap phone for $60+ taxes without ID (activation code was sent to my main phone. So, law enforcement can still get to me if I commit a crime but girls cannot, at least not relativepy easily). Been on the edge about SA membership. Fees goes over $100 but that is the maximum I could get as prepaid card from Target on cash. So, kept with contacts I obtained before landing in US. Too many weeded out.

Finally one gem (a bit older but tall, fit and attractive. Would have been a 9 ten / fifteen years ago but is still a 7). Plan for meet and greet dinner.

Had some food, drinks and conversation heated up. We kind of aligend on 500 ppm (is that normal?

Left restaurant, went for a walk by the beach. Kisses, cuddling, found a dark spot (she has a fantasy of doing outdoors). We had no plans of fucking (only meet and greet) but we ended up fucking. Amazing BJ, she was already wet and I slid it in. Bareback. One of the exciting sex we had. My second at a beach after 10 years.

Apologetically, I did not carry so much cash. And she said not to bother. We will meet again. Think I found a keeper.That is so awesome. Played just perfectly. Take the momentum of that date straight to the bedroom. Or the beach LOL. The perfect SA date. And yes $500 has become super standard in the US. Based on what you said she must be late thirties or forty. Seems high for that, but damn it doesn't matter. It only matters that you feel it's worth it. Sounds totally true.

Steve 9696
09-01-22, 03:05
I totally agree with these people. Nobody has a right to exclusive poon when they pay for it. Even if one discussed an exclusive relationship I still think that's not a reasonable expectation. You're still a paying lover, and it's delusional to think the money is not the central fact of your participation in the relationship. And the girl can earn more merely doing more of what she did to land you when you're not around. Expecting exclusivity in a sugar relationship is just naive in my opinion.

Steve I'm surprised to see that Shayla is prowling the site. The way you speak of her is in such glowing terms that one would conclude you exist in a relationship that transcends the reality of its origins. I have no doubt she's special and a freak in the sheets, but I wonder if you two are watching the same movie here.I've done this enough to have a maturity about it. I know much of it is illusion. And I'm fine with that. I would prefer she adores me (and damn it seems like it) but it's fine if she's pretending to adore me and I never find out anything to the contrary. That is the key. That you can't tell illusion from reality. In this case ignorance is bliss.

My advice to someone earlier today was DONT FUCK WITH THE ILLUSION. AND TRUTH FUCKS THE ILLUSION. I think I should make a plaque!! You don't want truth! Live the illusion. It's why we are here!

Is it illusion? Shayla and I are due to meet up regular night later this week. I get a text that she just wants to hang out tonight as well. That she misses me and wants the company. She hints that sex is off the table. So this is a pure "I enjoy being with you" visit. She works on her computer. We do her laundry. We go in search of the latest cocktail in a can. Just a whole lot of nothing.

Of course I can't help being horny and eventually get her going enough that it's on. It's late so I try to keep it to a quickie. But after I cum she wants to keep sucking my dick while she vibes herself. Then after some cuddles she pretty much begs me to put it back in so she's filled up while vibing. So we fuck for maybe ten more minutes till I tell her I absolutely have to go. Illusion? Maybe. Do I care? Nope.

NapataJohn
09-01-22, 09:16
And yes $500 has become super standard in the US..If you say you will meet consistently if you hit it off they drop very easily to 400 and a dinner.

LshRoomer
09-02-22, 15:31
"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth" - Tyson.

I'm fresh back from about 8 days in Madrid and SA did not fail. I'll try to keep it simple, but with some details and up to date info.

Quick background - Since my last trip, I was able to hook Maria and chat with her a couple times a week over whatsapp for about 3 months (surprised I kept her attention). I also kept up with Lili. She left SA (guys were crazy) months ago; she said that I treated her really nice, so I'm the only one that she still keeps up with from SA.

The Plan - pull 3 additional solid SBs from SA in order to have about 5 total for the week, with the intent to repeat with the best ones. My experience in Madrid has shown that about 20-30% of the girls are quality and serious. The other 70 - 80 will be Pros, greedy (want $$ to meet for coffee), not in the country, want too much money (600 eu / meet), or cancel at the last minute. I had about 9 days, so I went hard on the prowl and it backfired.

Reality - I was a little too successful. Lots of interest from about 8 new chicks and not enough time. Not a bad problem, unless you get sick on day 5 and literally have to cancel all other dates for the remainder of the trip. Frenchie, that I met on Day 1 evening, had the same symptoms as me and got prescribed antibiotics. She offered to come with me to the doctor to help. That was awesome of her, but I went to the doctor myself and yup, was prescribed antibiotics. Before I got sick, I was literally triple booked each day having to pick and choose who to see and who to try to reschedule with. It wasn't supposed to be like this. LOL. I just wanted about 1 secure date scheduled per day, but for some reason, these girls were chomping at the bit. By the time day 4 night hit, I was out of commission until the end of the trip. Lili offered to bring me soup, so did Maria, but I declined. The other girls were writing each evening around 5 or so and it stabbed me in the face having to turn down these beautiful Spanish girls while I stayed at home laying on the couch feeling like dog poop. One girl, Maria #2 knew I was sick and still wanted to come over. I couldn't. Feeling how I felt killed my drive.

My experience in Madrid - 60% will want 250 eu. 25% will do 200 eu, 15% will want more.

Even if I hadn't gotten sick, I did not expect such an aggressive environment where the girls are reaching out everyday to link up; they are remembering and sticking to dates; if you are slow to respond, they write again. I had 2 cancellations. One immediately rescheduled for 2 days later (Maria fell asleep and missed our meetup time) and Frenchie canceled the cancellation (LOL) and called me back an hour later saying, "F it, I'm comfy at home, but I want to see you. Let's do it. Meet me at Gran Via".

Plans fail sometimes, but the experience was awesome the first 3. 5 days (I need more! The rest of the days sucked. I always tell you guys about the wins and the losses. This was a win without a doubt adn the antibiotics and pain meds only cost me 7 euro. WTF. Reports on Maria on the way.

AmericanPi
09-02-22, 16:26
You can't imagine how timely this is. I'm heading to Madrid in 3 weeks!

Can you tell me, were the girls you were pulling of the young and hot variety, or the experienced and more elegant?

I use SA in Mexico and Canada. I usually pull 18-22 year olds that are 8 plus. Beyond that I'm not as interested. Is that what you're seeing in Madrid?

Also, at least in Mexico, they're hungry. Like if I bring 350 dollars to a night, their month is made and they're beyond happy. Do you see the same hunger in Madrid? In Canada I get a little more pushback and holding out for more.


"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth" - Tyson.

I'm fresh back from about 8 days in Madrid and SA did not fail. I'll try to keep it simple, but with some details and up to date info.

Quick background - Since my last trip, I was able to hook Maria and chat with her a couple times a week over whatsapp for about 3 months (surprised I kept her attention). I also kept up with Lili. She left SA (guys were crazy) months ago; she said that I treated her really nice, so I'm the only one that she still keeps up with from SA.

The Plan - pull 3 additional solid SBs from SA in order to have about 5 total for the week, with the intent to repeat with the best ones. My experience in Madrid has shown that about 20-30% of the girls are quality and serious. The other 70 - 80 will be Pros, greedy (want $$ to meet for coffee), not in the country, want too much money (600 eu / meet), or cancel at the last minute. I had about 9 days, so I went hard on the prowl and it backfired.

Reality - I was a little too successful. Lots of interest from about 8 new chicks and not enough time. Not a bad problem, unless you get sick on day 5 and literally have to cancel all other dates for the remainder of the trip. Frenchie, that I met on Day 1 evening, had the same symptoms as me and got prescribed antibiotics. She offered to come with me to the doctor to help. That was awesome of her, but I went to the doctor myself and yup, was prescribed antibiotics. Before I got sick, I was literally triple booked each day having to pick and choose who to see and who to try to reschedule with. It wasn't supposed to be like this. LOL. I just wanted about 1 secure date scheduled per day, but for some reason, these girls were chomping at the bit. By the time day 4 night hit, I was out of commission until the end of the trip. Lili offered to bring me soup, so did Maria, but I declined. The other girls were writing each evening around 5 or so and it stabbed me in the face having to turn down these beautiful Spanish girls while I stayed at home laying on the couch feeling like dog poop. One girl, Maria #2 knew I was sick and still wanted to come over. I couldn't. Feeling how I felt killed my drive.

My experience in Madrid - 60% will want 250 eu. 25% will do 200 eu, 15% will want more.

Even if I hadn't gotten sick, I did not expect such an aggressive environment where the girls are reaching out everyday to link up; they are remembering and sticking to dates; if you are slow to respond, they write again. I had 2 cancellations. One immediately rescheduled for 2 days later (Maria fell asleep and missed our meetup time) and Frenchie canceled the cancellation (LOL) and called me back an hour later saying, "F it, I'm comfy at home, but I want to see you. Let's do it. Meet me at Gran Via".

Plans fail sometimes, but the experience was awesome the first 3. 5 days (I need more! The rest of the days sucked. I always tell you guys about the wins and the losses. This was a win without a doubt adn the antibiotics and pain meds only cost me 7 euro. WTF. Reports on Maria on the way.

AmericanPi
09-02-22, 16:33
I'm no psychologist, but it seems like you have a healthy perspective here. You know the difference between fantasy and reality, and that the two are not always mutually exclusive. That they overlap and the best experiences reside in that overlap. But you know what you're doing. You're making a conscious choice to benefit from the fantasy without deluding yourself. Some dudes here talk as though they discovered Narnia and you can't really tell if they understand it's a book, you know?


I've done this enough to have a maturity about it. I know much of it is illusion. And I'm fine with that. I would prefer she adores me (and damn it seems like it) but it's fine if she's pretending to adore me and I never find out anything to the contrary. That is the key. That you can't tell illusion from reality. In this case ignorance is bliss.

My advice to someone earlier today was dont fuck with the illusion. and truth fucks the illusion. I think I should make a plaque!! You don't want truth! Live the illusion. It's why we are here!

Is it illusion? Shayla and I are due to meet up regular night later this week. I get a text that she just wants to hang out tonight as well. That she misses me and wants the company. She hints that sex is off the table. So this is a pure "I enjoy being with you" visit. She works on her computer. We do her laundry. We go in search of the latest cocktail in a can. Just a whole lot of nothing.

Of course I can't help being horny and eventually get her going enough that it's on. It's late so I try to keep it to a quickie. But after I cum she wants to keep sucking my dick while she vibes herself. Then after some cuddles she pretty much begs me to put it back in so she's filled up while vibing. So we fuck for maybe ten more minutes till I tell her I absolutely have to go. Illusion? Maybe. Do I care? Nope.

AmericanPi
09-02-22, 16:53
Considering a stopover in London. Anyone used SA there? I'm sure it's higher than most places but any specific experience anyone has?

Will 350-400 pounds be enough to make an 18-23 year old hottie happy? Is that borderline or considered good? Were there lots of available options or did it seem like the girls had all the power?

Please share fellows.

LshRoomer
09-02-22, 19:16
You can't imagine how timely this is. I'm heading to Madrid in 3 weeks!

Can you tell me, were the girls you were pulling of the young and hot variety, or the experienced and more elegant?

I use SA in Mexico and Canada. I usually pull 18-22 year olds that are 8 plus. Beyond that I'm not as interested. Is that what you're seeing in Madrid?

Also, at least in Mexico, they're hungry. Like if I bring 350 dollars to a night, their month is made and they're beyond happy. Do you see the same hunger in Madrid? In Canada I get a little more pushback and holding out for more.Hey Americanpi,

The girls were all 22-26,8+. Thin, spinner, good shape, pretty, and fun. The oldest one just turned 27. That was Maria which was the best in bed by far!! Not one was the experienced elegant type.

I did talk to some 18-22, but none of them made it to WhatsApp for an actual meet. I found them to be less serious and more flighty and unable tk maintain comms. You will have a decent conversation then not hear from her for 10 days. WTF.

The hunger is similar in Madrid. If you brought 350, they would be ecstatic. Right now, it is more than okay to be in the 200/250 range. They are super happy with that. When I get a 200 girl, I usually hit her with 220 240 and that really goes a long way. I've done it about 3 times and each time she was very appreciative.

I'm jealous. You are going to have a great time. Tip - start coms about 2-3 days before landing. The girls are aggressive and ready to meet sometimes the same day. That was my mistake that I started comms about 7 days out. Lost out on some that wanted to rock the same night. That was surprising but very much in line with what I experienced once I arrived.

02.

Next trip is Berlin and Hamburg and a quick stop in Madrid to bang Maria. She asked me to come, even if only for a day or 2.

Safe travels sir.

Qq. I'll be in Germany in the coming months. We are mostly GFE guys here. Is FKK worth a visit for guys that prefer the GFE type of session? Experiences? Advice?

LshRoomer
09-02-22, 19:36
Considering a stopover in London. Anyone used SA there? I'm sure it's higher than most places but any specific experience anyone has?

Will 350-400 pounds be enough to make an 18-23 year old hottie happy? Is that borderline or considered good? Were there lots of available options or did it seem like the girls had all the power?

Please share fellows.350 is a bit on the high side in my experience. I would lean more toward 250/300 quid. My type is the typical euro type (slim, <25,8+, usually with an accent). Keep in mind that personality is currency as well. If a girl comes across a "different " guy on SA. They sometimes are will to take less money bc they actually like yiu a bit.

There are plenty of options and what's cool is that you will get girls from all over Europe, but not many from Latin America (not my pref). I used to have a long term in London but I would keep an extra one or two in the stockpile.

Girls def did not have the power. Yiu will have to put in your work and you will come across pros and scammers. I personally found more college girls in London than in Germany, Spain, Czech, Netherlands and Poland.

Good luck and report back.

02.

LshRoomer
09-02-22, 20:41
I've done this enough to have a maturity about it. I know much of it is illusion. And I'm fine with that. I would prefer she adores me (and damn it seems like it) but it's fine if she's pretending to adore me and I never find out anything to the contrary. That is the key. That you can't tell illusion from reality. In this case ignorance is bliss.

My advice to someone earlier today was DONT FUCK WITH THE ILLUSION. AND TRUTH FUCKS THE ILLUSION. I think I should make a plaque!! You don't want truth! Live the illusion. It's why we are here!

Is it illusion? Shayla and I are due to meet up regular night later this week. I get a text that she just wants to hang out tonight as well. That she misses me and wants the company. She hints that sex is off the table. So this is a pure "I enjoy being with you" visit. She works on her computer. We do her laundry. We go in search of the latest cocktail in a can. Just a whole lot of nothing.

Of course I can't help being horny and eventually get her going enough that it's on. It's late so I try to keep it to a quickie. But after I cum she wants to keep sucking my dick while she vibes herself. Then after some cuddles she pretty much begs me to put it back in so she's filled up while vibing. So we fuck for maybe ten more minutes till I tell her I absolutely have to go. Illusion? Maybe. Do I care? Nope.Good topic. I think we are complex beings attempting to keep things binary with an agreement with another complex being. So is it illusion or reality. It's neither and both. LOL. It forms into something new based on the two involved. Some girls are able to maintain the adoration in complete fallacy, just like we can game certain girls to bust nuts in them when we have 0 feelings whatsoever. Some girls start with a binary situation (strictly business. $ for outings and sex) and quickly evolve into something that may even be unidentifiable to themselves. That joint complexity is one of the reasons that we say YMMV. LOL.

Arrangements straddle a strange line where once yiu bang a girl more than once, develop a rapport, have good times and good sex, the walls of superficiality can start to break down. I personally love the "bunch of nothing" dates where we go on a 3 hour mission around Berlin looking for the perfect notebook or for the cookies that you had 3 months ago but can't find in any of the stores that are close by. The confines of the money for time and sex does start to disappear, but it remains at the same time. So I say don't f%#k with it. Let it develop into what it will be and ride the wave. It maybe deserves a new category that's not illusion or reality. If she hangs with you initially for $$ but finds that you are another being that she likes, the binary agreement starts to become corrupted at that moment (IMHO). One of my long terms in London called me crying when her grandmother died. In theory, a SD that gives you cash to put it inside you and on your face prob wouldn't be the first person you reach out to for comfort. She didn't want $$, she just wanted someone to comfort her.

A new sb (Maria) told me that she didn't money and clearly shows signs of emotion. It straddles that weird line that I don't know how to define. I've seen some say that if it's money for sex, she is an escort. Not true. Big f $ck at *g difference between the cold illusion of an escort and the possible warm illusion, that maybe ceases to be an illusion, from an SB. Steve's situation is proof. She just wanted to chill and have company. Maybe that's part of her illusion (that has become reality) that she created in her mind - having a cool person to chill with that also helps her out with cash and there are loose emotional ties. Who's to say that it's all a game with false faces, or that it's not?

I don't know. I try not to define it. Just go with that it is or what it evolves into and explore. Just my. 02.

Steve 9696
09-02-22, 21:54
Yeah shroomer. Pretty much what you said. Like I am remembering twice now the other day that Shayla kept a nice blurry line.

When doing her laundry, I joked "bet not too many sugar daddies help with the laundry” and she said "your my boyfriend silly!" And then later after fucking and using me for her carnal pleasure long after I was done, I said "I like being your boy toy" and she said "your my boyfriend!”

So yeah. Pretty blurry! Not going to try to define it or clarify. Just roll in the awesomeness.

P.S. Got a similar weird situation with my London girl. I KNOW she has a crush on me. No act. And it feels weird to pay her because honestly I see her more for her than me (Diva girls cost less and are much better in bed). But it feels weird to bring it up. It's not that I don't want to take care of her. But the transactional nature feels weird at this point. Happy to take advice here.

MiamiBoy1
09-02-22, 22:18
Good topic. I think we are complex beings attempting to keep things binary with an agreement with another complex being. So is it illusion or reality. It's neither and both. LOL. It forms into something new based on the two involved. Some girls are able to maintain the adoration in complete fallacy, just like we can game certain girls to bust nuts in them when we have 0 feelings whatsoever. Some girls start with a binary situation (strictly business. $ for outings and sex) and quickly evolve into something that may even be unidentifiable to themselves. That joint complexity is one of the reasons that we say YMMV. LOL.

Arrangements straddle a strange line where once yiu bang a girl more than once, develop a rapport, have good times and good sex, the walls of superficiality can start to break down. I personally love the "bunch of nothing" dates where we go on a 3 hour mission around Berlin looking for the perfect notebook or for the cookies that you had 3 months ago but can't find in any of the stores that are close by. The confines of the money for time and sex does start to disappear, but it remains at the same time. So I say don't f%#k with it. Let it develop into what it will be and ride the wave. It maybe deserves a new category that's not illusion or reality. If she hangs with you initially for $$ but finds that you are another being that she likes, the binary agreement starts to become corrupted at that moment (IMHO). One of my long terms in London called me crying when her grandmother died. In theory, a SD that gives you cash to put it inside you and on your face prob wouldn't be the first person you reach out to for comfort. She didn't want $$, she just wanted someone to comfort her.

A new sb (Maria) told me that she didn't money and clearly shows signs of emotion. It straddles that weird line that I don't know how to define. I've seen some say that if it's money for sex, she is an escort. Not true. Big f $ck at *g difference between the cold illusion of an escort and the possible warm illusion, that maybe ceases to be an illusion, from an SB. Steve's situation is proof. She just wanted to chill and have company. Maybe that's part of her illusion (that has become reality) that she created in her mind - having a cool person to chill with that also helps her out with cash and there are loose emotional ties. Who's to say that it's all a game with false faces, or that it's not?

I don't know. I try not to define it. Just go with that it is or what it evolves into and explore. Just my. 02.Thanks for joining the dicsussion. Great post! It has happened to me before, when what started as ppm arrangement turned into a friendship with sex included and no money exchange, so we basically had become sex buddies. She knew I would be leaving the country, and we both knew that this type of relationship was nothing serious and would not last long. We had great time together, and no illusions.

I agree with the overlap thing. To me, it is a sweet spot that I always have been looking for. Someone who is interested in me as a person / man in the first place, and considers ppm or travels as a bonus or a perk. If I feel she is only about the money, I consider her a working girl and not interested in dating her. However it is not always easy to figure out her true motivation, you got to know a girl really well, and even then there is always a chance to get fooled.

Also, married guys like Steve are being more realistic, because they know from day 1 that she is a side chick, and will always be. So they set their expectations low. Single or divorced guys, like myself, see this differently, because we are more flexible and open to anything, not necessarily someting serious and long term, or even a marriage, but something we can commit to if we really want.

FilthyBeaver
09-03-22, 02:15
Sounds to me like she's become an obligation. Not necessarily a negative obligation but maybe an obligation like some chore involving the development of your kids.

I hit this with one of mine recently. She's nice enough, pretty enough, easy enough but I wasn't feeling it anymore and had some other issues as well. Asked her if we could be friends and go out every now and then. If we end up back at my place she'd get paid, if not she wouldn't but it wouldn't be automatic anymore. She accepted so I'm either an inconsistent backup or she likes me. Probably the former but I'm ok with either.




P.S. Got a similar weird situation with my London girl. I KNOW she has a crush on me. No act. And it feels weird to pay her because honestly I see her more for her than me (Diva girls cost less and are much better in bed). But it feels weird to bring it up. It's not that I don't want to take care of her. But the transactional nature feels weird at this point. Happy to take advice here.

FilthyBeaver
09-03-22, 02:29
I was in an FKK for the first time recently and I can tell you that you can pretty much get whatever you're looking for. It just comes down to the chemistry you have with the girl. The larger the place the more chance you'll find what you're looking for. I honestly felt like a lamb being lead to slaughter, the girls know who the regulars are and who the noobs / tourists are. I could literally feel the eyes on me. Turned away several but finally settled on a really cute, sweet tiny Romanian spinner (who also came to me). Totally my type and no real expectations as I don't have any crazy kinks, I just like sex with beautiful girls. DFK all day long and really enthusiastic. When we were done I told her I was going to the hot tub, she asked if she could join me and I didn't have to pay her for her time but most girls want to charge that time against a session. Smart move as she coaxed me back into the room after some time. I had a great time but not sure how I feel about the concept in general. The overt nudity and everything out there (guys and girls) was a bit much for me. Then again I'm the guy giggling whenever I see Germans walking around naked on beaches all over the world. I don't regret going but probably won't rush back.


Next trip is Berlin and Hamburg and a quick stop in Madrid to bang Maria. She asked me to come, even if only for a day or 2.

Safe travels sir.

Qq. I'll be in Germany in the coming months. We are mostly GFE guys here. Is FKK worth a visit for guys that prefer the GFE type of session? Experiences? Advice?

AmericanPi
09-03-22, 02:45
Thanks for that great perspective.

I have done FKK several times in Frankfurt. Go to one of the granddaddy ones, like Oase north of the city or sharks south.

It's like Disneyland the first time you go. Seriously. It's amazing. It's hard to describe. But like many things each subsequent time you go loses some luster. So really enjoy that first time. Plan to stay all day. Bring lots of cash even if it's not expensive so you're not rationing yourself.


Hey Americanpi,

The girls were all 22-26,8+. Thin, spinner, good shape, pretty, and fun. The oldest one just turned 27. That was Maria which was the best in bed by far!! Not one was the experienced elegant type.

I did talk to some 18-22, but none of them made it to WhatsApp for an actual meet. I found them to be less serious and more flighty and unable tk maintain comms. You will have a decent conversation then not hear from her for 10 days. WTF.

The hunger is similar in Madrid. If you brought 350, they would be ecstatic. Right now, it is more than okay to be in the 200/250 range. They are super happy with that. When I get a 200 girl, I usually hit her with 220 240 and that really goes a long way. I've done it about 3 times and each time she was very appreciative.

Steve 9696
09-03-22, 03:17
Considering a stopover in London. Anyone used SA there? I'm sure it's higher than most places but any specific experience anyone has?

Will 350-400 pounds be enough to make an 18-23 year old hottie happy? Is that borderline or considered good? Were there lots of available options or did it seem like the girls had all the power?

Please share fellows.Done SA three times in London and really great each time. Managed to get my first girl for 250. Don't think that will happen anymore. She was amazing. After we hooked up We were going to Zurich together and COVID hit. Boo.

Second time a hot Colombiana. She wouldn't budge off 400. But then she wanted to bring a friend. The original girl was a 9. The friend a 7. But what a time. 5 hours including dinner dancing and room time duo. Wow.

And last is Sarah who's my current girl there. She was set on 400. We finally agreed 400 first night and 300 if we repeated. That worked good. When I flew her to Europe I told her I could only do 200/ day and she was fine with that.

So yeah I think you will do fine with 350-400. Just have to slog thru it a bit as usual!

Steve 9696
09-03-22, 03:23
Hey Americanpi,

The girls were all 22-26,8+. Thin, spinner, good shape, pretty, and fun. The oldest one just turned 27. That was Maria which was the best in bed by far!! Not one was the experienced elegant type.

I did talk to some 18-22, but none of them made it to WhatsApp for an actual meet. I found them to be less serious and more flighty and unable tk maintain comms. You will have a decent conversation then not hear from her for 10 days. WTF.

The hunger is similar in Madrid. If you brought 350, they would be ecstatic. Right now, it is more than okay to be in the 200/250 range. They are super happy with that. When I get a 200 girl, I usually hit her with 220 240 and that really goes a long way. I've done it about 3 times and each time she was very appreciative.

I'm jealous. You are going to have a great time. Tip - start coms about 2-3 days before landing. The girls are aggressive and ready to meet sometimes the same day. That was my mistake that I started comms about 7 days out. Lost out on some that wanted to rock the same night. That was surprising but very much in line with what I experienced once I arrived.

02.

Next trip is Berlin and Hamburg and a quick stop in Madrid to bang Maria. She asked me to come, even if only for a day or 2.

Safe travels sir.

Qq. I'll be in Germany in the coming months. We are mostly GFE guys here. Is FKK worth a visit for guys that prefer the GFE type of session? Experiences? Advice?Madrid. OMG. I am traveling to a second tier city in the US and also to Madrid. I've been slogging thru ugly fatties in the US. I mean tons of them. Hoping for a gem. None so far. Pathetic.

Decided to poke Madrid and OMG. Just loaded with pages and pages of fit hottie Latinas. Looks like fucking paradise. I'the planned to do Vive but may have to squeeze in an SA date!

Midwestern
09-03-22, 05:05
Kind of related to what you guys are talking about. Had a regular on-the-side for many years. She has a BF, but she loves fucking me. My guess is that her boyfriend is a dork. Then one day I told her some personal problems that I was having. She was genuinely sympathetic. But ever since then, the lustful magic is gone.

Steve 9696
09-03-22, 12:24
Madrid. OMG. I am traveling to a second tier city in the US and also to Madrid. I've been slogging thru ugly fatties in the US. I mean tons of them. Hoping for a gem. None so far. Pathetic.

Decided to poke Madrid and OMG. Just loaded with pages and pages of fit hottie Latinas. Looks like fucking paradise. I'the planned to do Vive but may have to squeeze in an SA date!Normally when I browse a new city I might favorite 1 or 2 girls that really light me up. Then later go back to them make contact and add in a few more second tier girls. Took a look at Madrid this AM and of the 26 girls on page 1 I favorited 17! Wtf? Yes 17. Never seen anything like it. Def Medellin and Buenos Aires had some hot girls on SA but nothing like this.

FilthyBeaver
09-03-22, 14:58
Amazing, it'd take me a couple months to find as many girls I'd be interested in at home as I saw in the first 3 pages. Barcelona too. Will. Get. To. Spain. Soon.


Normally when I browse a new city I might favorite 1 or 2 girls that really light me up. Then later go back to them make contact and add in a few more second tier girls. Took a look at Madrid this AM and of the 26 girls on page 1 I favorited 17! Wtf? Yes 17. Never seen anything like it. Def Medellin and Buenos Aires had some hot girls on SA but nothing like this.

Jbob084
09-03-22, 15:05
Anyone with any SA experience in Prague? Or Stockholm?

NeilGeorge
09-03-22, 15:20
After getting banned from SA, for once mentioning my compensatory rate, I have been looking for another, perhaps better way to meet the 20-25 year old wayward young girls for good sex while in sex prison. Anyone have other sites they would recommend? I have tried getting back on SA with a different email account, different credit card, and apparently they track the IP address so I am banned for life. Any suggestions? I have recently subscribed to SugarDaddy. Com but have not pulled anyone yet off this site. Suggestions please? Thanks.

Gfefan
09-03-22, 16:09
Been there done both. My screenname is my credibility.

FKK for environment, naked chics, pick who you want to fuck. Relax in the atmosphere. Easy. I go there when I want to not invest time prowling.

SA when in mood for GFE and experience.

Now, that is me. If it feels like you, go for both. Very different worlds catering to different needs. GFE in FKK. A bit tough.


Hey Americanpi,

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Qq. I'll be in Germany in the coming months. We are mostly GFE guys here. Is FKK worth a visit for guys that prefer the GFE type of session? Experiences? Advice?

DramaFree11
09-03-22, 16:53
Kind of related to what you guys are talking about. Had a regular on-the-side for many years. She has a BF, but she loves fucking me. My guess is that her boyfriend is a dork. Then one day I told her some personal problems that I was having. She was genuinely sympathetic. But ever since then, the lustful magic is gone.Great advice, but hard to do, feelings develop especially after time time. This is what happened with the model. She finally admitted she has a boyfriend in Europe, but she wants to start see me again. We will see, she is in Europe for a month. I think the guy is nice, but boring and broke. Honestly I feel better that she finally admitted. Now I really do not feel guilty about my life.

On the way back to CDMX, as I am writing this message. Life is good. SA works so good in Mexico, so much fun and adventure.

NeilGeorge
09-03-22, 22:50
Just wondering if you promise a SB an exclusive arrangement, then have 2-3 others on the side? Do you think the SB is also being unfaithful to you? Or that is the excitement of not knowing and lying a little?

Steve 9696
09-04-22, 00:56
After getting banned from SA, for once mentioning my compensatory rate, I have been looking for another, perhaps better way to meet the 20-25 year old wayward young girls for good sex while in sex prison. Anyone have other sites they would recommend? I have tried getting back on SA with a different email account, different credit card, and apparently they track the IP address so I am banned for life. Any suggestions? I have recently subscribed to SugarDaddy. Com but have not pulled anyone yet off this site. Suggestions please? Thanks.Those other sites suck big time. Like pay for this pay for that. And even sometimes spam daddies without a girls permission. Generally very disappointing.

When sesta / fosta came on I the US one of my fave sites banned people from the US. So I just set up a VPN app and you can appear from anywhere in the world. So that would solve your IP tracking problem. I'm sure if you search VPN on App Store there will be plenty.

Midwestern
09-04-22, 03:12
Just wondering if you promise a SB an exclusive arrangement, then have 2-3 others on the side? Do you think the SB is also being unfaithful to you? Or that is the excitement of not knowing and lying a little?I've had exclusive arrangements with SBs. At first, it drove me nuts wondering if they were being faithful to me. And I eventually found out that one was being unfaithful. I was pretty upset, but then I decided to let it go, and now I don't care if they are unfaithful to me. I might still ask for exclusive arrangements, and maybe some are faithful and some are unfaithful, but I no longer care and that makes me happier, probably also because I am never faithful anyway.

On a related note, I never explicitly cut ties with an SB, especially if they were PPM to begin with. For ones that were monthly arrangements, I don't cut ties with them when I want to stop the arrangement, I just tell them that I suddenly am experiencing money problems and cannot keep the arrangement anymore. I never say that I am breaking up with them. Where it goes from here, it's up to them.

MiamiBoy1
09-04-22, 03:16
Just wondering if you promise a SB an exclusive arrangement, then have 2-3 others on the side? Do you think the SB is also being unfaithful to you? Or that is the excitement of not knowing and lying a little?I think exclusive arrangements are feasible only if you live in the same city, or live together. So that you can have sex on demand and have some control over her activities. If she thinks she can get away with having 1-2 side dudes, most likely she will cheat.

AmericanPi
09-04-22, 04:48
Just wondering if you promise a SB an exclusive arrangement, then have 2-3 others on the side? Do you think the SB is also being unfaithful to you? Or that is the excitement of not knowing and lying a little?Not trying to be judgey mc judge, but any dude that thinks he can pay a girl a fixed amount and she will turn away from sex with anyone else is a fool.

Put yourself back in your shoes in your twenties. You think you're going to meet someone you're attracted to, who maybe you might be interested in, and head home from the bar early for fear you might do something irresponsible? Please. A sugar baby is by definition someone in a relationship for money. These are often great girls, but they are not innocent.

You can't buy fidelity.

DramaFree11
09-04-22, 05:05
I've had exclusive arrangements with SBs. At first, it drove me nuts wondering if they were being faithful to me. And I eventually found out that one was being unfaithful. I was pretty upset, but then I decided to let it go, and now I don't care if they are unfaithful to me. I might still ask for exclusive arrangements, and maybe some are faithful and some are unfaithful, but I no longer care and that makes me happier, probably also because I am never faithful anyway.

On a related note, I never explicitly cut ties with an SB, especially if they were PPM to begin with. For ones that were monthly arrangements, I don't cut ties with them when I want to stop the arrangement, I just tell them that I suddenly am experiencing money problems and cannot keep the arrangement anymore. I never say that I am breaking up with them. Where it goes from here, it's up to them.I do nor care if they are exclusive. If they make my life better, that is all I care about.

LshRoomer
09-04-22, 20:38
Thanks for that great perspective.

I have done FKK several times in Frankfurt. Go to one of the granddaddy ones, like Oase north of the city or sharks south.

It's like Disneyland the first time you go. Seriously. It's amazing. It's hard to describe. But like many things each subsequent time you go loses some luster. So really enjoy that first time. Plan to stay all day. Bring lots of cash even if it's not expensive so you're not rationing yourself.That sounds pretty inline with what I have heard from others. Pretty much, give it a shot; it might not be your thing, but at least taste the ice cream. I'll probably be in Hamburg, but def in Berlin and from what I can see, the clubs there are ok in Hamburg and the one club in Berlin is hit or miss. I'm going to give it a shot and see how it goes. I know this isn't the right forum, but I'll still report back for others that may have the same thoughts. I know Frankfurt has the bigger clubs, and I can go to Frankfurt, but it puts me out of my way to get to Berlin. It's the differnce between a 4. 5 HR train ride and an 1. 5 HR train ride. Besides that, I've never been to either city, and I've heard to Hamburg is nicer. All things to consider.

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NeilGeorge
09-05-22, 01:37
I do nor care if they are exclusive. If they make my life better, that is all I care about.Just hope they do not give you crabs or scabies. After a trip to Thailand I had visited BlackBeards in Dom Rep. Then found I had scabies. Not sure where they came from, but I had to wash and shampoo with a special formula to get rid of it.

Elvis 2008
09-05-22, 17:11
Just wondering if you promise a SB an exclusive arrangement, then have 2-3 others on the side? Do you think the SB is also being unfaithful to you? Or that is the excitement of not knowing and lying a little?Like DF said, guys should not care about this. She should be loyal when she is with you and that is all you should ask for.

If you want to enforce this, you can look at their phone or social media accounts. Social media is a way you advertise yourself. If you see a girl next to the new new thing, that is a bad sign. Any time a seeking woman is dining at a great restaurant and not showing their companion, a sugar daddy is paying for it. And women live their lives on their phones. You can practically see everywhere she has been with it. I have never been creepy enough to do that, but if it were an exclusive arrangement, you could insist on it. Google has a places you have been time line that is scary accurate. If you want exclusive, focus on the women hanging with their family and non-sleazy friends. I am not religious but church going women are more loyal IMO.

With seeking, if you make someone a favorite, you can see when she last logged in. Even if she hides the log in times, you can see based on the other women when she logged in. Obviously, if she is logging in all the time, she is seeking out other men.

Hotels are key. You want women who are blown away by them and do not understand what to do. A woman who pulls her ID at the check in counter without being asked is a WG. The same goes for a woman who raids the mini bar without asking.

And you want women who are not there for the money and do not expect to be paid. If you do give them money, how long do they stick around afterwards? Are they trying to impress you with things other than sex? Do they introduce you to their family and friends? If they stick around, do things other than sex, and introduce you the people in their life, they are candidates to be exclusive.

Why would I guy do this? Well, the guys who have done this a while may meet women they could not hope to score by other means. The women I have met on seeking and dated are by far the best looking, best in bed, and most interesting women I have met. Still, most are fucked up in one way or another, but then you meet one that is not.

Usually the best sex I have with a woman is the second time I see them, but if it is really great, then why would I waste my time trying to find someone else as good? Why am I wasting my time playing "Does she really like me or my money" game? Why am I risking my time with a great one versus pursuing another who might be a no show?

At some point, you come to the realization that the one you have in hand is almost always going to be better than the next girl. You just need to have people particularly other women you trust confirm for you that the woman is really interested in you. I think I do a better job of screening than most men, and I do not trust myself with this.

DramaFree11
09-06-22, 00:32
Like DF said, guys should not care about this. She should be loyal when she is with you and that is all you should ask for.

If you want to enforce this, you can look at their phone or social media accounts. Social media is a way you advertise yourself. If you see a girl next to the new new thing, that is a bad sign. Any time a seeking woman is dining at a great restaurant and not showing their companion, a sugar daddy is paying for it. And women live their lives on their phones. You can practically see everywhere she has been with it. I have never been creepy enough to do that, but if it were an exclusive arrangement, you could insist on it. Google has a places you have been time line that is scary accurate. If you want exclusive, focus on the women hanging with their family and non-sleazy friends. I am not religious but church going women are more loyal IMO.

With seeking, if you make someone a favorite, you can see when she last logged in. Even if she hides the log in times, you can see based on the other women when she logged in. Obviously, if she is logging in all the time, she is seeking out other men.

Hotels are key. You want women who are blown away by them and do not understand what to do. A woman who pulls her ID at the check in counter without being asked is a WG. The same goes for a woman who raids the mini bar without asking.

And you want women who are not there for the money and do not expect to be paid. If you do give them money, how long do they stick around afterwards? Are they trying to impress you with things other than sex? Do they introduce you to their family and friends? If they stick around, do things other than sex, and introduce you the people in their life, they are candidates to be exclusive.

Why would I guy do this? Well, the guys who have done this a while may meet women they could not hope to score by other means. The women I have met on seeking and dated are by far the best looking, best in bed, and most interesting women I have met. Still, most are fucked up in one way or another, but then you meet one that is not.

Usually the best sex I have with a woman is the second time I see them, but if it is really great, then why would I waste my time trying to find someone else as good? Why am I wasting my time playing "Does she really like me or my money" game? Why am I risking my time with a great one versus pursuing another who might be a no show?

At some point, you come to the realization that the one you have in hand is almost always going to be better than the next girl. You just need to have people particularly other women you trust confirm for you that the woman is really interested in you. I think I do a better job of screening than most men, and I do not trust myself with this.The word exclusive is not part of my vocabulary, unless many of the things above happen. Also, we would have to be living together.

I am living a dream at the moment in CDMX. This by the best time in my life, by far. I am meeting incredible girls and having the best sex of my life.

One thing that you did not mention is I will not deal with family issues. This is a major deal in Mexican families, especially the mom's. A large percentage of them are Jealous, controlling and sabotage there daughter's lives. It is just crazy. This more of issue in MTY, not as bad in CDMX, but it is still a problem.

One more day in CDMX. I had 2 meetings Saturday, Sunday 4, Monday 3. We will see what happens Tuesday. I also tried a new Italian Restaurant, just incredible.

One of my regular girls from MTY had layover in CDMX tonight, she is spending the night and leaving in morning. It will be a great night!!

NeilGeorge
09-06-22, 01:34
Usually the best sex I have with a woman is the second time I see them... I think I do a better job of screening than most men, and I do not trust myself with this.The second time you see them you can smell their pussy before DATY. If it smells like rotten fish, then someone else has been tapping into and unloading into that pussy. If it smells fresh, then stick it in!

Akibono
09-06-22, 02:21
Like DF said, guys should not care about this. She should be loyal when she is with you and that is all you should ask for.

If you want to enforce this, you can look at their phone or social media accounts. Social media is a way you advertise yourself. If you see a girl next to the new new thing, that is a bad sign. Any time a seeking woman is dining at a great restaurant and not showing their companion, a sugar daddy is paying for it. And women live their lives on their phones. You can practically see everywhere she has been with it. I have never been creepy enough to do that, but if it were an exclusive arrangement, you could insist on it. Google has a places you have been time line that is scary accurate. If you want exclusive, focus on the women hanging with their family and non-sleazy friends. I am not religious but church going women are more loyal IMO.
.Why are you turning this into work? I remember a scene at a club where a guy paid for a night and spent the time guarding the girl from others who approached her. Pathetic. If you are paying her, she should be serving you. Otherwise, you are not paying enough, or you should kick her to the curb.

DramaFree11
09-06-22, 14:26
The second time you see them you can smell their pussy before DATY. If it smells like rotten fish, then someone else has been tapping into and unloading into that pussy. If it smells fresh, then stick it in!I would guess that most of the girls on SA are banging other guys, besides their arrangements. Most have boyfriends, fuck buddies, or husband in addition to us.

You can spend a lot of time and negative energy dwelling on this. Like most say if you follow your girls on Social Media you are probably in for a rude awakening. Enjoy the moment, practice as much safe sex as possible. Most of all have fun.

WyattEarp
09-06-22, 19:49
Thanks for that great perspective.

I have done FKK several times in Frankfurt. Go to one of the granddaddy ones, like Oase north of the city or sharks south.

It's like Disneyland the first time you go. Seriously. It's amazing. It's hard to describe. But like many things each subsequent time you go loses some luster. So really enjoy that first time. Plan to stay all day. Bring lots of cash even if it's not expensive so you're not rationing yourself.AmericanPi, can you clarify why you consider Oase and Sharks "granddaddy" FKKs?

Is it because the male customers are older or is because these two famous FKKs have been around a long time? Thanks.

Steve 9696
09-07-22, 01:13
AmericanPi, can you clarify why you consider Oase and Sharks "granddaddy" FKKs?

Is it because the male customers are older or is because these two famous FKKs have been around a long time? Thanks.Sharks is widely considered the best FKK in Germany (possibly the world — some like Globe in Switzerland better) and Oase number 2 tho some will argue the order. Either way they are pretty widely considered 1 and 2. Best combo of classy facilities and girl line up.

My personal nod goes to Sharks which is significantly bigger than Oase. It's quite the spectacle with 50 ft high ceilings and big open area with girls roaming about. There is some bitching in the Sharks thread about the lineup and price increases but meh I'm sure there are hotties to be found. I'll let you know next month!

DramaFree11
09-07-22, 01:40
Tuesday was just as good as all the other days. 3 sessions. First, girl hung out at the apartment all morning, she arrived at 7:30, took a nap and then we had sex. I was under the impression we would have multiple sessions, this did not happen, but was still fun. Short hot skinny girl. The second girl, I am seeing regularly, she is a solid 8, maybe 9. Total freak in bed, no rules and loves sex. Her parents are very strict, so we can only hang out for a couple hours. I would totally commit to her.

The last meeting is super hot and freak as well. She is doing her on-line course, in my shirt and no panties. We had sex before class and will have sex during the break. So cool!

Steve 9696
09-07-22, 03:17
Tuesday was just as good as all the other days. 3 sessions. First, girl hung out at the apartment all morning, she arrived at 7:30, took a nap and then we had sex. I was under the impression we would have multiple sessions, this did not happen, but was still fun. Short hot skinny girl. The second girl, I am seeing regularly, she is a solid 8, maybe 9. Total freak in bed, no rules and loves sex. Her parents are very strict, so we can only hang out for a couple hours. I would totally commit to her.

The last meeting is super hot and freak as well. She is doing her on-line course, in my shirt and no panties. We had sex before class and will have sex during the break. So cool!Living the dream DF. Living the dream. I might have to detour to CDMX soon. Sounds amazing. All Seeking girls right?

AmericanPi
09-07-22, 13:57
Yep that pretty much says it.

I'll say I personally prefer Oase because it has that huge outdoor area and I like to chill and sunbathe in between sessions. I also like that it has multiple distinct areas so you can pop around. And those urinals, of course.

There's really nothing else to see in Frankfurt. But you can spend a few happy days In FKK. Everyone should do this in his life, at least once.


Sharks is widely considered the best FKK in Germany (possibly the world some like Globe in Switzerland better) and Oase number 2 tho some will argue the order. Either way they are pretty widely considered 1 and 2. Best combo of classy facilities and girl line up.

My personal nod goes to Sharks which is significantly bigger than Oase. It's quite the spectacle with 50 ft high ceilings and big open area with girls roaming about. There is some bitching in the Sharks thread about the lineup and price increases but meh I'm sure there are hotties to be found. I'll let you know next month!

DramaFree11
09-07-22, 20:25
Living the dream DF. Living the dream. I might have to detour to CDMX soon. Sounds amazing. All Seeking girls right?Steve you would love CDMX. I am so happy I have rediscovered CDMX. Such a great balance for me, between work and the girls.

Ggekko2009
09-07-22, 22:23
Today I learned that Plan B pill is called PostDay here in Colombia. You can get it in any pharmacy here in Bogota, cost about $4 with two pills to be consumed together. According to the lady in the pharmacy store, the girl just need to take two pills once and not take it again for a month. I thought I share this detail and the story behind it.

Met up with a girl at Andino mall in the afternoon and we had lunch together. I knew she was a bisexual because she offered to have a threesome with me with her friend. She said that she could only meet me during the day as she had night classes majoring in psychology. However, I told her that I would like to meet her first, as a safety precaution, and see if we have the chemistry before any further arrangement with her friend next time. She had sent me her photos and she looked attractive and is a dancer. When we met, she looked way more attractive than the photos that she had sent me.

Anyway, after lunch, we went back to my apartment. As part of my routine, I showed her my clean STD test to make sure that she was comfortable with BB and she was finally okay with it only after seeing that the test was taken two days ago. Sex was decent. Started with foreplay with oral and BBBJ. Then followed by missionary, doggie and cow girl. Long story short, I came into her while she was riding me. I thought she would have known when I climaxed but continued with her motion until I stopped her. She was surprised and was not too happy that I came into her pussy. I replied that it was not really easy to pull out when she was on top of me.

Anyway, she told me that she had to get the pill, and I asked her what that is called and where I can get them. I gave her extra for the incident and told her to get extra pills for me, since she will be coming over again tomorrow for another quick session and this time together with her friend I have always wanted to do BB with two bisexual girls at the same time, and I would see if this is happening when we meet again.

Anyway, the reason why I am getting PostDay myself was because I need to get it for another girl with whom I had BB sex with her just two nights ago. That was definitely an exciting experience and warrant a more detailed report. Anyway, I will still be seeing more of her this week.

Ggekko2009
09-07-22, 22:41
Yep that pretty much says it.

I'll say I personally prefer Oase because it has that huge outdoor area and I like to chill and sunbathe in between sessions. I also like that it has multiple distinct areas so you can pop around. And those urinals, of course.

There's really nothing else to see in Frankfurt. But you can spend a few happy days In FKK. Everyone should do this in his life, at least once.I can still remember one of those outdoor canopies that had mattresses at Oase where you can lay there with the girl and then have sex outdoor should you choose. Had done it twice but under the cover of the night, haha.

AmorPorFavor
09-08-22, 01:10
What you are asking is does a girl have a bottom line? It depends on her prospects and expectations. If you pay above the market rate, you have leverage. If she expects a certain income for a lifestyle she will always try trading up. Like a auction, you ask yourself what is worth more, the extra 100/200 or the chance she will not be available to you. I find that the best girls are worth the high price because they are rare.So I offered $400 and she accepted but said she would only spend 4 hours with me and would not go to dinner. Her original offer was $500, go to dinner and spend 5-6 hours with me. So I will save $40-$50 on her dinner and still have plenty of time with her. She is hot and knows it. Have yet to try her out. Also she was only on SA for about a week and got off. We had messaged a few times and then she sent me a message that she was getting off the site and gave me her phone number.

NeilGeorge
09-08-22, 21:44
I am not connected with this magazine or newspaper and have no financial interest in any of the websites. I was banned from SA and tried Sugardaddy.com with better success than I had on SA. Not as many scammers, actually none yet. Met 3 decent SBs in first week and plan my first insertion tonight. Then another tomorrow, and meeting a third Friday night. Will be tired and limp dicked all weekend.

https://chicagoreader.com/reader-partners/sugar-daddy-sites/

FilthyBeaver
09-09-22, 04:18
Reads like one big advertisement but interesting nonetheless. Made a basic profile on sugardaddy.com and noticed identical pics to profiles I've seen on seeking so the hustlers are working both. Doesn't look like there's anywhere near the activity there as on seeking (at least in my city).


I am not connected with this magazine or newspaper and have no financial interest in any of the websites. I was banned from SA and tried Sugardaddy.com with better success than I had on SA. Not as many scammers, actually none yet. Met 3 decent SBs in first week and plan my first insertion tonight. Then another tomorrow, and meeting a third Friday night. Will be tired and limp dicked all weekend.

https://chicagoreader.com/reader-partners/sugar-daddy-sites/

Steve 9696
09-09-22, 17:10
Reads like one big advertisement but interesting nonetheless. Made a basic profile on sugardaddy.com and noticed identical pics to profiles I've seen on seeking so the hustlers are working both. Doesn't look like there's anywhere near the activity there as on seeking (at least in my city).Yeah ima going to call BS on that site. Doesn't even list Seeking? Total lack of credibility. And the bullshit they spew in the first few paragraphs. Any site that is pay by the communication is complete BS.

NeilGeorge
09-09-22, 17:32
Made a basic profile on sugardaddy.com and noticed identical pics to profiles I've seen on seeking.SugarDaddy.com has verification where the girls and guys post a video of themselves. It weeds out the Nigerian men who are downloading photos from the internet and trying to get money before meeting (scam). Also its an advantage to see the videos the girls post. Many of them are not very attractive in real life compared with their posted photos with makeup and sharp clothing. The videos are a good way to disqualify a lot of fuglies who really look bad without makeup.

NeilGeorge
09-09-22, 19:11
Yeah ima going to call BS on that site. Doesn't even list Seeking? They list top websites in different categories, not a rank order listing.

FilthyBeaver
09-10-22, 02:16
Not everybody uses the video feature and if legitimacy is a real concern getting around it is simple. Ask them to take a pic next to their bed, tv, major appliance, whatever. It does two things, 1) proves she's real and 2) proves she's interested in you. Every time I've ever asked for this we've had a good laugh and she totally understood why. The scammers disappear quick.

I really don't understand how people get scammed, it's so easy to prove BS when you meet somebody online.


SugarDaddy.com has verification where the girls and guys post a video of themselves. It weeds out the Nigerian men who are downloading photos from the internet and trying to get money before meeting (scam). Also its an advantage to see the videos the girls post. Many of them are not very attractive in real life compared with their posted photos with makeup and sharp clothing. The videos are a good way to disqualify a lot of fuglies who really look bad without makeup.

Elvis 2008
09-10-22, 16:56
Today I learned that Plan B pill is called PostDay here in Colombia. You can get it in any pharmacy here in Bogota, cost about $4 with two pills to be consumed together. According to the lady in the pharmacy store, the girl just need to take two pills once and not take it again for a month. I thought I share this detail and the story behind it.Ggekko, if you are going bare, you should buy more and carry them with you. I used to give them to every woman after I had sex with them.

The pills work by stopping ovulation so the time line that they have to be used within 72 hours really is not correct, however the sooner you take it after sex, the better, but it is not 100%. It is about as effective as condom use.

No woman ever objected the first time I gave them the pills. They appreciated it. The second time was a different story. Some women had horrible cramping and bleeding after taking the pill, but all in all, it was very positive with me.

With all the bareback fucking I did over the years and use of Plan be, I never had a problem, but there was once when I just gave the woman the pills instead of watching her swallow them in front of me. She was and is super cool but you do not want to go through that with any woman who is not.

Ggekko2009
09-12-22, 00:39
Ggekko, if you are going bare, you should buy more and carry them with you. I used to give them to every woman after I had sex with them.

The pills work by stopping ovulation so the time line that they have to be used within 72 hours really is not correct, however the sooner you take it after sex, the better, but it is not 100%. It is about as effective as condom use.

No woman ever objected the first time I gave them the pills. They appreciated it. The second time was a different story. Some women had horrible cramping and bleeding after taking the pill, but all in all, it was very positive with me.

With all the bareback fucking I did over the years and use of Plan be, I never had a problem, but there was once when I just gave the woman the pills instead of watching her swallow them in front of me. She was and is super cool but you do not want to go through that with any woman who is not.Definitely a good idea to buy and have them by my side. I had bought a few boxes from the pharmacy, though the store lady warned this can only be consumed once per month. Maybe she was confused why I need to buy a few of them at a time, and she had no idea, jejeje.

Anyway, the one girl that was worried about had her first day of period today. What a relief cause I made her take the pills two days after and continue to have BB sex almost everyday after that, with multiple frequencies everyday too.

LshRoomer
09-12-22, 18:30
So I offered $400 and she accepted but said she would only spend 4 hours with me and would not go to dinner. Her original offer was $500, go to dinner and spend 5-6 hours with me. So I will save $40-$50 on her dinner and still have plenty of time with her. She is hot and knows it. Have yet to try her out. Also she was only on SA for about a week and got off. We had messaged a few times and then she sent me a message that she was getting off the site and gave me her phone number.I recently came across a similar situation. The girl was hot and my type (meaning that these two qualities are independent, but can coexist) but from the start of the conversation, she quickly started to attach activities and time to money. 400 euro and we can hang out for 5 hours. 600 eu and we can go to dinner and hang out for 5 hours after dinner. I didn't respond. There are waaaay too many girls in Europe that are hotter and willing to take half of that.

But I will also say that if you are in an area that's not top heavy (lots of 8-10's), then that makes the interaction more interesting and gives the hot girls a bit more "power". Personally, whenever I hear a set amount of time for a set amount of $$, my interest is gone at that moment. SBs (meaning not PROs) will usually see how it goes, knowing that they may end up spending the night. The $$ isn't the problem, as that's more determined by region, but the time limits are an instant red flag. It would ruin my zone knowing that there is a running clock and I have to try to bang her before it runs out. LOL.

At Let us know how it goes.

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LshRoomer
09-12-22, 19:02
Not everybody uses the video feature and if legitimacy is a real concern getting around it is simple. Ask them to take a pic next to their bed, tv, major appliance, whatever. It does two things, 1) proves she's real and 2) proves she's interested in you. Every time I've ever asked for this we've had a good laugh and she totally understood why. The scammers disappear quick.

I really don't understand how people get scammed, it's so easy to prove BS when you meet somebody online.FB, you are on the right page sir. I'm with you, in that I don't see how guys are getting scammed either.

No one should be paying before you meet. You shouldn't pay her as soon as you meet her in person (meaning it should be after you bang her). I personally never pay for a meet and greet. If the girls see that you are security conscious, they quickly will fall in line or disappear if they are scammers. I think some guys may get caught up with "liking" the girl too much and lose some of their sensibilities for a moment.

IMHO, the formula is simple - Think of things that are stupid (like giving someone money that you met online), dangerous, wasteful, or life threatening and Don't Do Them. LOL. It's not that hard. LOL.

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Gfefan
09-12-22, 19:23
100% agreement. No matter how hot the girl is, if she ties $ to activities or hours, I am out.

If that is what I want, I go to pros. Easy and quick. No need to put so much effort.


I recently came across a similar situation. The girl was hot and my type (meaning that these two qualities are independent, but can coexist) but from the start of the conversation, she quickly started to attach activities and time to money. 400 euro and we can hang out for 5 hours. 600 eu and we can go to dinner and hang out for 5 hours after dinner. I didn't respond. There are waaaay too many girls in Europe that are hotter and willing to take half of that.

But I will also say that if you are in an area that's not top heavy (lots of 8-10's), then that makes the interaction more interesting and gives the hot girls a bit more "power". Personally, whenever I hear a set amount of time for a set amount of $$, my interest is gone at that moment. SBs (meaning not PROs) will usually see how it goes, knowing that they may end up spending the night. The $$ isn't the problem, as that's more determined by region, but the time limits are an instant red flag. It would ruin my zone knowing that there is a running clock and I have to try to bang her before it runs out. LOL.

At Let us know how it goes.

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Steve 9696
09-13-22, 00:08
100% agreement. No matter how hot the girl is, if she ties $ to activities or hours, I am out.

If that is what I want, I go to pros. Easy and quick. No need to put so much effort.100% agree. It's not so much that five hours isn't enough. It's the dynamic that is now in play if specific $$ for specific things (time). That to me is not a girl I generally want to hang with. (But will in a pinch).

Nicest sound in the world is her taking her necklace off to the nightstand. You know she's decided to snuggle in. And the fact that it's her decision is the sweetest part.

FilthyBeaver
09-13-22, 02:25
I've got news for y'all. If she's tying a timeframe to the liaison, she's a pro. There's no other way to look at it. She may be in school, she may be convince herself she's an SB but she's a straight working girl.

I met one once who asked me what I was offering in the second text. I told her I wasn't offering anything because I didn't know if I was interested in her. Turned her off, turned me off. Next please. Another working girl. She was supposedly a business owner and "knew her worth" (my favorite ridiculous line). She can convince herself of whatever she likes but to expect someone to name a price before they know you is absurd. That's what escorts and working girls do.

The good news is that not everyone on seeking is looking for a traditional SB. Some just want working girls and there are plenty to be found.

FilthyBeaver
09-13-22, 02:40
So this is an interesting discussion. How much "time" is / should be expected? When I was a virgin SD I obsessed over this. How can I be sure I'm getting my money's worth, what kind of obligation can I reasonably expect from her.

I always made it clear that I wanted the interactions we had to feel as real as possible. I don't just want to hop into bed and see them off in an hour. Lie to me if you must but I have a pretty good BS alarm and we probably won't last long if it's always going off. It's much better if they like you.

So it turns out, for me anyway, there is a natural chemistry with some girls where conversation flows easily and we can chat for hours with no effort. Knowing this (which happened almost immediately on the meet and greet) I knew whatever time we spent together, not having sex, would be enjoyable for both of us. On a typical "date" a meal would be involved at a minimum and, more times than not, some other activity that usually costs money. I live in a large tier 1 coastal city so there's always something to do. I would say I've had dates as short as 3 hours and as long as overnight or several nights on a long weekend. With the right girl they are equally enjoyable. The average is probably 4-6 hours where there's no overnight involved.

MagicSheep74
09-13-22, 10:18
Hi guys,

I extensively report on the Spanish thread as I live in the South of Spain, but I have been using seeking for a year or so now, so I guess its about time I get involved. Like was just mentioned, if the girl mentions a time limit, I have lost interested. Personally I have had a lot of success in London and Dubai, but I'll just share of a couple of experiences for the sake of it.

Dubai. My first time using seeking. At this point a I was completely new to the site and I had no real idea how to approach it.

Date 1 - Half Russian / Half Italian. She lives in Dubai and was undoubtedly a very high class escort. No money was mentioned, but we agreed to me a Bhudda Bar for a drink and it we had chemistry she would stay overnight. Firstly she arrives in a $250000 car driven by herself and was quite simply was of the most stunning women I've seen in my life. P.S. - I've been mongering worldwide for 20 years straight.

Had a drink and the topic of money came up - $1500 a night, $10000 USD a weekend trip away outside Dubai. That's was she gets and I quite believe she gets it. I have no intention of dropping $1500 regardless of her obvious beauty, but we have a few drinks, something light to eat and said goodbye no money exchanged. A true 10/10, but no harm done.

Date 2 - Ukrainian. Living in Dubai. Lesson learned, and this time I mentioned $400 a meeting. She agreed and we met for drinks. In my personnel view, she was an 8/10 and worth the money requested.

We absolutely hit it off in every way. So much so that we spent the next 3 days together - $400 a day and had just a fabulous time. Full GFE for every moment of our time spent together.

Now seeking.com really got my attention.

Date 3 - Serbian. Living in Dubai. Pictures looked amazing and agreed again on $400 USD a meet. She arrived and had a fantastic body, but her skin was really bad. Pretty disappointed, we chatted over a couple of drinks and I let her go with a small token gesture $ for her trouble.

The next 3 days I just hit the clubs and picked up numerous other girls from various nationalities. Subsequently I've learned a lot since then, and I will share my more recent experiences in London and around Europe soon.

MS.

Steve 9696
09-14-22, 01:08
So we talk a lot about how it's real or it's not and please don't tell me if it's not. My intuition with my local girl is it's real but with some strings there somewhere. And as I mentioned I think my London girl has a crush on me.

Well there is no doubt now. My London girl writes and says can I ask you a question. Well this is always interesting and the mind goes all sorts of places. But the question was "how long do you think we will be together because I want to prepare myself. I don't want to be suddenly hurt. " And there you have it — real feels! Got to say it feels good to know I could break her heart. Of course I never would.

FilthyBeaver
09-14-22, 05:08
How do you not break her heart? It's obvious she has feelings. Are you going to keep her around until she ends it (which means you could potentially see her as an obligation rather than a fun escape)? She just told you if you end it, you'll "break her heart."


So we talk a lot about how it's real or it's not and please don't tell me if it's not. My intuition with my local girl is it's real but with some strings there somewhere. And as I mentioned I think my London girl has a crush on me.

Well there is no doubt now. My London girl writes and says can I ask you a question. Well this is always interesting and the mind goes all sorts of places. But the question was "how long do you think we will be together because I want to prepare myself. I don't want to be suddenly hurt. " And there you have it real feels! Got to say it feels good to know I could break her heart. Of course I never would.

ThickHead99
09-14-22, 11:59
From my experience on Seeking, if you filter by age and photo it's better. 18-25 - need charm and lots of work. 26+, know the score and you can negotiate a price immediately. Also a lot of pics are faceapped and usually this will indicate that the lady is an escort and slightly worse looking.

The Cane
09-14-22, 17:25
From my experience on Seeking, if you filter by age and photo it's better. 18-25 - need charm and lots of work. 26+, know the score and you can negotiate a price immediately. Also a lot of pics are faceapped and usually this will indicate that the lady is an escort and slightly worse looking.That's it! Almost all of the ones who say they're seeking "platonic" fall into the younger age range. Naive enough to think they're going to get something for little or no effort on their part. Now, they may claim it's all about their time. But, my retort is baby my time is worth a hell of a lot more than yours. So, if we're going to base it off of that, then you ought to be paying me!

Steve 9696
09-15-22, 02:34
How do you not break her heart? It's obvious she has feelings. Are you going to keep her around until she ends it (which means you could potentially see her as an obligation rather than a fun escape)? She just told you if you end it, you'll "break her heart."I just told her the truth and she was super happy. That is:

I will never ghost her.

Yes things could fizzle over time if our circumstances change.

But I've seen girls off and on for two to three years and rekindling is easy.

So there's no need to talk about an end. We'll see each other when we can.

All good. Nothing says I have to tell her every time I'm in London.

Steve 9696
09-15-22, 02:43
Maybe I'm a bit soppy but I always try to leave my girls better than I found them. But oftentimes you grow apart and you wonder how they are doing. Well I just heard from Kayla who I last saw six months ago (we were steady monthly for about six months).

She just dropped me a message to thank me for helping her thru that six months. Said she's doing really well but doesn't know where she would be without me. Awwww warms my heart. Will keep an eye out for a cash request but already told her subscribing to her onlyfans was my max. Really think it was genuine.

FilthyBeaver
09-15-22, 03:09
As I'm single, I have no issue with giving gifts or money to anyone. A few friends that know what I'm up to as a SD think I'm crazy but I always reason it like this. If I were (traditional) dating a woman closer to my age that didn't have her shit together I'd still be giving her money, paying the power bill, or God knows what else. Now, I would never date a woman anywhere near my age who didn't have her shit together so it's kind of moot: that and most are hideous looking to me.

Giving those resources to someone who still has the opportunity to make smart choices with their life seems like a much better return and knowing that I had a part in her success as a SD /&mentor / benefactor whatever you want to call it really appeals to me. I will eventually become obsolete in her world and things will move on but that's not necessarily a bad thing, it's an opportunity to find a new gem.

I'll draw the line at the friend zone though. I don't need to communicate with them to "stay in touch" unless sex is on the table, even if it's infrequent.


Maybe I'm a bit soppy but I always try to leave my girls better than I found them. But oftentimes you grow apart and you wonder how they are doing. Well I just heard from Kayla who I last saw six months ago (we were steady monthly for about six months).

She just dropped me a message to thank me for helping her thru that six months. Said she's doing really well but doesn't know where she would be without me. Awwww warms my heart. Will keep an eye out for a cash request but already told her subscribing to her onlyfans was my max. Really think it was genuine.

FilthyBeaver
09-15-22, 03:32
Sugardaddy.com

Update. So I created what is basically a blank profile 6 days ago. Basic text, no pic. I have 17 unread messages in my inbox and I have not attempted to communicate with anybody. I have no intention of paying to read them but on what planet do girls approach a guy's profile that says almost nothing with no pic? If anyone needs anymore proof that the site is sketchy, there you go.

Ggekko2009
09-15-22, 13:43
Maybe I'm a bit soppy but I always try to leave my girls better than I found them. But oftentimes you grow apart and you wonder how they are doing. Well I just heard from Kayla who I last saw six months ago (we were steady monthly for about six months).

She just dropped me a message to thank me for helping her thru that six months. Said she's doing really well but doesn't know where she would be without me. Awwww warms my heart. Will keep an eye out for a cash request but already told her subscribing to her onlyfans was my max. Really think it was genuine.If I may ask, what is the typical age difference for those girls who may have developed feelings for you.

My most recent girl is 30 years my junior, and I think she has developed intense feeling for me, and the problem for me was that the feeling is mutual.

She would ask to spend more time with me when I was there in the city without asking or expecting anything else in return. She would display affections with all these little besitos or kisses in the public. Sex with her was simply amazing and we had so much of it when I was there, and it was like she had just discovered the pleasure of sex for the first time, and in a way it kind of is, and kept wanting more.

I don't really how and what to make of this.

Rcl 44
09-15-22, 14:41
Done SA three times in London and really great each time. Managed to get my first girl for 250. Don't think that will happen anymore. She was amazing. After we hooked up We were going to Zurich together and COVID hit. Boo.

Second time a hot Colombiana. She wouldn't budge off 400. But then she wanted to bring a friend. The original girl was a 9. The friend a 7. But what a time. 5 hours including dinner dancing and room time duo. Wow.

And last is Sarah who's my current girl there. She was set on 400. We finally agreed 400 first night and 300 if we repeated. That worked good. When I flew her to Europe I told her I could only do 200/ day and she was fine with that.

So yeah I think you will do fine with 350-400. Just have to slog thru it a bit as usual!Curious how old roughly, these women are.

Steve 9696
09-15-22, 14:56
Sugardaddy.com

Update. So I created what is basically a blank profile 6 days ago. Basic text, no pic. I have 17 unread messages in my inbox and I have not attempted to communicate with anybody. I have no intention of paying to read them but on what planet do girls approach a guy's profile that says almost nothing with no pic? If anyone needs anymore proof that the site is sketchy, there you go.Yeah so what's even worse those girls probably did not send those messages. A girl I know was on that site for a while and said guys contacted her and after discussion she found the site had sent them a message from her! Unsolicited! That is shady filthy and downright wrong.

Steve 9696
09-15-22, 15:02
If I may ask, what is the typical age difference for those girls who may have developed feelings for you.

My most recent girl is 30 years my junior, and I think she has developed intense feeling for me, and the problem for me was that the feeling is mutual.

She would ask to spend more time with me when I was there in the city without asking or expecting anything else in return. She would display affections with all these little besitos or kisses in the public. Sex with her was simply amazing and we had so much of it when I was there, and it was like she had just discovered the pleasure of sex for the first time, and in a way it kind of is, and kept wanting more.

I don't really how and what to make of this.Yeah actually my age difference is a bit over 35 years with all the girls I date. And I KNOW without question there are deep feelings both ways with several of these girls. It's not all that hard to imagine if you think it thru:

Past experience: Guys who are immature. Have a shit job if they have one. Take take take.

You: Charming and successful. Polite. Genuinely nice. Care how she feels. Listen to her ramble on endlessly. Hahaha.

Anyhow you get the point. Any girl who looks past basic looks is bound to fall a bit for many of us. We didn't get where we are by being losers. 😜.

Buksida1
09-15-22, 17:07
I am not connected with this magazine or newspaper and have no financial interest in any of the websites. I was banned from SA and tried Sugardaddy.com with better success than I had on SA. Not as many scammers, actually none yet. Met 3 decent SBs in first week and plan my first insertion tonight. Then another tomorrow, and meeting a third Friday night. Will be tired and limp dicked all weekend.

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DramaFree11
09-16-22, 14:27
Yeah actually my age difference is a bit over 35 years with all the girls I date. And I KNOW without question there are deep feelings both ways with several of these girls. It's not all that hard to imagine if you think it thru:

Past experience: Guys who are immature. Have a shit job if they have one. Take take take.

You: Charming and successful. Polite. Genuinely nice. Care how she feels. Listen to her ramble on endlessly. Hahaha.

Anyhow you get the point. Any girl who looks past basic looks is bound to fall a bit for many of us. We didn't get where we are by being losers. 😜.I am currently seeing 6 or 7 girls regularly. A couple are still in MTY, but most are in CDMX, the average age is 23, maybe 22, so there is a 30 year age difference. I love it. I need to steal the line from Elvis, "I am having the best Sex and the most fun in my life. " Most of these girls text me regularly and are just amazing girls. I am heading back to CDMX after work Saturday.

Elvis 2008
09-16-22, 18:31
Yeah actually my age difference is a bit over 35 years with all the girls I date. And I KNOW without question there are deep feelings both ways with several of these girls. It's not all that hard to imagine if you think it thru:

Past experience: Guys who are immature. Have a shit job if they have one. Take take take.

You: Charming and successful. Polite. Genuinely nice. Care how she feels. Listen to her ramble on endlessly. Hahaha.

Anyhow you get the point. Any girl who looks past basic looks is bound to fall a bit for many of us. We didn't get where we are by being losers.It is like we are programmed to expect certain things. It used to be singers had to be super model types or no one was interested supposedly. American Idol et al come on and wouldn't you know people actually just wanted people who can sing not look good.

So it goes with good looking women. They are supposed to be with women their own age and equally attractive: football captain and head cheerleader. It is programming that is everywhere. I saw it when I showed a photo of my gal to a friend's 9 year old and she said, "Ohhhhh, she is way too young for you. ".

It was so ingrained in me that even when women came, and they had that smell, the sound, and even some squirting, there was still doubt. Did I really make that young hottie cum? And there were so many, and still I was like "Did I make you cum really?

Now I know the signs, the body language, the voice of a girl really interested and I took action on it. Thing is I gave up so much pussy and free pussy at that was just because I was convinced I was not worthy of it and was so underconfident.

Saying the women only like you for your money is like saying buy Apple stock. Nobody is going to say that stupid or dispute you for it especially if it is long term, but there are times like now that it is not a good time to buy Apple. I cannot drag someone by the nose and say "Smell that cum! That is how much she likes me. ".

But the easiest thing for other people to see is if a woman is a caring and loving GF type or a ho. I do not question any more. My gal has done everything possible to make me believe, and an old GF is still texting me wanting to know if we are together. If you do not have the confidence to break the mold and want to live your life confining yourself to the expectations of a 9 year old, have at it.

Yes, the women get tons of messages, but you know when I looked at the phone of a woman who was on seeking, almost every guy was some loser trying to get laid for free. I picked out four that were real SD types, the same ones she did, and said they were real. There are not that many quality men out there. For real. Yes, if you think she has feelings for you, she probably does. Do not listen to the fools who have never been on the site or used seeking.

FilthyBeaver
09-17-22, 09:24
I created a girl account because I was curious about the competition. Within 10 min I was convinced I was a catch. There's always going to be someone wealthier, better looking, taller, bigger scaling, whatever. It all boils down to confidence and chemistry. You can't force something that isn't there for more than a few dates.


It is like we are programmed to expect certain things. It used to be singers had to be super model types or no one was interested supposedly. American Idol et al come on and wouldn't you know people actually just wanted people who can sing not look good.

So it goes with good looking women. They are supposed to be with women their own age and equally attractive: football captain and head cheerleader. It is programming that is everywhere. I saw it when I showed a photo of my gal to a friend's 9 year old and she said, "Ohhhhh, she is way too young for you. ".

It was so ingrained in me that even when women came, and they had that smell, the sound, and even some squirting, there was still doubt. Did I really make that young hottie cum? And there were so many, and still I was like "Did I make you cum really?

Now I know the signs, the body language, the voice of a girl really interested and I took action on it. Thing is I gave up so much pussy and free pussy at that was just because I was convinced I was not worthy of it and was so underconfident.

Saying the women only like you for your money is like saying buy Apple stock. Nobody is going to say that stupid or dispute you for it especially if it is long term, but there are times like now that it is not a good time to buy Apple. I cannot drag someone by the nose and say "Smell that cum! That is how much she likes me. ".

But the easiest thing for other people to see is if a woman is a caring and loving GF type or a ho. I do not question any more. My gal has done everything possible to make me believe, and an old GF is still texting me wanting to know if we are together. If you do not have the confidence to break the mold and want to live your life confining yourself to the expectations of a 9 year old, have at it.

Yes, the women get tons of messages, but you know when I looked at the phone of a woman who was on seeking, almost every guy was some loser trying to get laid for free. I picked out four that were real SD types, the same ones she did, and said they were real. There are not that many quality men out there. For real. Yes, if you think she has feelings for you, she probably does. Do not listen to the fools who have never been on the site or used seeking.

HumbleHal
09-17-22, 17:03
SugarDaddy. Com site

I did try this other site and had better results than Seeking Arrangement. No scammers who wanted me to pay them before meeting. Have meet 3 in the first week, dove into one who was 29 and blonde. Met another who was from Brazil and she is fit and hot. Third one I will meet Monday and she is blonde, blue eyes and already in love with me. I am a gentleman, respectful and generous, I get laid more than my balls can handle. Humbly, Hal.

MagicSheep74
09-18-22, 11:15
After some initial learnings from my Dubai seeking experience, I moved onto London. I find the escort agencies a little hit or miss, so gave seeking a go.

Girls name. Aliya_sa. Search on London and search on name and she will pop-up. She is back in London late September, and she has not logged in since then.

She is the girl in the picture, and in my opinion a 9/10 - Really Attractive, very well dressed, pretty face and outstanding body.

She requested 500 for the meeting, and I knocked her down to 400. We met at at the bar of a hotel in the Kensington area, and we really hit it off. She is from Belarus, but lives half the year in Moscow and half the year in London. Since we were having a nice time and she was very attractive, we went for a light dinner close by. No money had been exchanged at this point, so after some food / drinks we decided to retreat to my hotel room for an evening of sex. Money was exchanged in the hotel room and a full girlfriend experience was given. Had a couple of really enjoyable rounds and the second one with CIM. Which was a nice touch. We both feel asleep and she left around 10 am the following morning.

Would I repeat. I plan to soon when back in London. We keep in regular contact.

I am starting in certain cities to have a preference by using seeking, both London and Dubai have so far yielded good results.

Tips. We had a quick video call before we met.

MS.

KingOfPoverty
09-19-22, 05:21
Tuesday was just as good as all the other days. 3 sessions. First, girl hung out at the apartment all morning, she arrived at 7:30, took a nap and then we had sex. I was under the impression we would have multiple sessions, this did not happen, but was still fun. Short hot skinny girl. The second girl, I am seeing regularly, she is a solid 8, maybe 9. Total freak in bed, no rules and loves sex. Her parents are very strict, so we can only hang out for a couple hours. I would totally commit to her.

The last meeting is super hot and freak as well. She is doing her on-line course, in my shirt and no panties. We had sex before class and will have sex during the break. So cool!What sort of arrangements are these running you in CDMX DF, in pesos if possible?

DramaFree11
09-19-22, 06:42
I arrived in CDMX Saturday. I met one of my regular girls, a college student, 6 or 7. Super sweet and incredible body, she can only meet during the day because of her crazy ass mom. We have had anal, every time we have met, no rules when we have sex. We met early, but my allergies were out of control and the flight did not help, so I stayed in Saturday night. Sunday I worked in the morning. I met the second girl, another college student, she is probably a 7, but so nice, hard working and sweet. Jackpot we never had Anal before, but to my surprise she wanted anal. Just incredible.

I shower up and a quick run to the supermarket for some V. And Condoms. I Have a drink and off to RosaNegra, love this place minus the bill. I met a new girl, super hot, probably an 8, she is starting her own business. We hang out at the Restaurant for 3.5 hours, so I should not complain about the bill. Back to the Casa. Wow, incredible. Anal, Rimming, and everything else was included, just an amazing night.

Living the dream in CDMX. Monday is looking even better, we will see what happens.

DramaFree11
09-19-22, 16:33
What sort of arrangements are these running you in CDMX DF, in pesos if possible?My range is $175-250 (Pesos 3500-5000) 4-5 hours of fun, 2 sessions on sex. Time has really not been an issue with most of these girls and they love sex, probably more then me. Some girls are asking for $300-350, I would only pay that if they are super hot. Lots of girls are available from $175-250. The good thing about SA in CDMX is most of the girls will try to speak English and are on time for the most part. I do not waste my time with girls that will no longer speak English. Also, I avoid all girls that do not have an Mexican number, usually just a big waste of time. Most of the girls that do not have a Mexican number are either from Colombia and Venz, I block immediately. There are also Euro and Russian chicks, but I am not really interested in there crazy lifestyle any more.

Elvis 2008
09-19-22, 17:41
I am currently seeing 6 or 7 girls regularly. A couple are still in MTY, but most are in CDMX, the average age is 23, maybe 22, so there is a 30 year age difference. I love it. I need to steal the line from Elvis, "I am having the best Sex and the most fun in my life. " Most of these girls text me regularly and are just amazing girls. I am heading back to CDMX after work Saturday.LOL. I just got back from CDMX. I had a good talk with Paulie of all people on the Medellin forum. What pisses me off with so many of those Medellin morons is that they insist their way is the only way. When I first mentioned seeking in Colombia, I was blasted for it and the sugar baby concept. Do you know how much Colombian snatch that $100, the monthly fee, could buy? They took it as a threat. Look I have no problem with middle income guys wanting to cruise El Centro in Medellin and Santa Fe in Bogota where you can get laid for $20 or less, but more than ever, I really felt this time like those guys were the pretenders.

What got me was one pretender saying do not even try to date the Colombian elite, and I just shook my head. Hell, I had already done it. The other I just read is you cannot have a GF in Colombia unless you live there. I am on my third one. I get what Paulie said about the whole country being a scam and your not liking it there. I think if you use seeking and seek out the higher echelons, those with white collar jobs or studying white collar fields, you can find a woman interested in a mutually beneficial relationship and committed to being a good partner or sugar baby.

Thing is I just wanted the guys here to know if they did not already that you are no pretender DF, and I have met you and Don Carlos in real life and enjoyed hanging out with both of you. I read what Steve, MW, FastMD, and Ggekko, and I am sure I am forgetting some guys, and know that they are no pretenders either.

Thing is that guys think that the sugar route has to be expensive and it really does not have to be. You want to do five scum bag street walkers or spend a few hundred bucks to be with a woman who is great in bed and out. The magic number me was always three. If I had a trip with two women, a threesome, it never got boring. If I had three sugar babies and mixed them up, it always felt fresh.

HumbleHal
09-19-22, 19:42
Have taken to dinner 3 women from SugarDaddy.com, have further issues to discuss for comments:

1. "Big knockers" in her photos. But big knockers often means big belly and / or ass. I prefer slim. She covered herself well at our first meeting so I met her another day for an insertion. Affectionate BBFS was ok. Discovered she had a big belly and also was a wine-o. Not for me. Now am trying to ghost her, which I am doing.

2. Second women was from Brazil, attractive, slim and 39 years of age. Usually that is a red flag because the older they get, the bossier they get, which is true. Had a good first meet for dinner, great kiss in the parking lot. On our first meeting she insisted I use a condom, which I really avoid, so only 69 and a hand job to completion. Turns out she had breast cancer and now only has bags where her boobies should be, not very naturally feeling. Had more discussion with her and her rules of no risk for her. I agreed to her 400 price, and to use an ultra slim condom which I purchased, in good faith, and intended to try with her. Our next meeting was rescheduled 3-4 days, finally I decided she was not worth the effort. Yes, the older they get the more controlling and bossier they are.

3. Third women appears good in photos, and is on depo shot so I could probably do her BBFS all the time, however said she needs $1,000 a week or will need two Sugar Daddys. Not sure I would want to share anyone with another cum giving man, so I am going to meet her and see what we can negotiate, maybe the second guy would use a condom. She does not want to work, wants me to totally support her. Not sure I am interested to the tune of $52 K a year. May try her for a week or two and discard her if she is a poor performer. She set the rate and expects me to meet her requirements. Will see.

4. Have texted another woman who wants to "make sure we are on the same page" before meeting in person. I am not interested in pricing a woman, and making a commitment to her on price, without meeting her in person. Most of them are liars, photos not true representations of them, next step is they will want a deposit before meeting "to make sure we do not waste anyone's time." Have heard the scams before and I do not play those games.

Turns out all of the women want to have most all the terms and prices all their way. Price, terms, hidden factors you find out at their first performance test drive, and what time of day they are available to meet because of their children / work / etc. Might be best to insist on a recent nude photo before meeting, but that would eliminate many of them and chemistry / personality would not be a factor.

Is that how women are now days? Overpriced, out of shape, controlling on birth control methods and available for meetings only their times / days of the week? Or am I scraping the bottom of the barrel?

DramaFree11
09-19-22, 21:04
LOL. I just got back from CDMX. I had a good talk with Paulie of all people on the Medellin forum. What pisses me off with so many of those Medellin morons is that they insist their way is the only way. When I first mentioned seeking in Colombia, I was blasted for it and the sugar baby concept. Do you know how much Colombian snatch that $100, the monthly fee, could buy? They took it as a threat. Look I have no problem with middle income guys wanting to cruise El Centro in Medellin and Santa Fe in Bogota where you can get laid for $20 or less, but more than ever, I really felt this time like those guys were the pretenders.

What got me was one pretender saying do not even try to date the Colombian elite, and I just shook my head. Hell, I had already done it. The other I just read is you cannot have a GF in Colombia unless you live there. I am on my third one. I get what Paulie said about the whole country being a scam and your not liking it there. I think if you use seeking and seek out the higher echelons, those with white collar jobs or studying white collar fields, you can find a woman interested in a mutually beneficial relationship and committed to being a good partner or sugar baby.

Thing is I just wanted the guys here to know if they did not already that you are no pretender DF, and I have met you and Don Carlos in real life and enjoyed hanging out with both of you. I read what Steve, MW, FastMD, and Ggekko, and I am sure I am forgetting some guys, and know that they are no pretenders either.

Thing is that guys think that the sugar route has to be expensive and it really does not have to be. You want to do five scum bag street walkers or spend a few hundred bucks to be with a woman who is great in bed and out. The magic number me was always three. If I had a trip with two women, a threesome, it never got boring. If I had three sugar babies and mixed them up, it always felt fresh.You are not kidding, the guys on Colombian Threads are crazy. One thing that is not talked about much is just how many Sex Tourist are in Colombia,(Many are seeking drugs and other bad things), you and I have talked about it, but most leave that out of there reports. This is one of the many things I do not like about Colombia.

Yes, CDMX is expensive, but this eliminates most of my competition, so I just need to work a little harder. Also, where I stay in MTY and CDMX there is no issue with drugs or violence. I like to stick to myself, If I can help someone I will, but recommendations are not going to happen unless we have met in person. Let me know next time you are in CDMX, I would love to meet again.

Bad news, flights from MTY to CDMX went up 100%, crazy, but I cannot take the 10 am from San Antonio to CDMX, I just miss too much work. Hopefully they will start the 3 pm flight back up soon. Traveling is getting so much more difficult and expensive.

Ggekko2009
09-20-22, 02:24
Is that how women are now days? Overpriced, out of shape, controlling on birth control methods and available for meetings only their times / days of the week? Or am I scraping the bottom of the barrel?Pretty much so for most of the girls in the US at least to me and that is why I never bother. You are better off just using seeking. Over time, one is able to spot and filter out the scams and such. Besides most gems are found outside of the US and it suits me well.

Elvis 2008
09-20-22, 02:37
I arrived in CDMX Saturday. I met one of my regular girls, a college student, 6 or 7. Super sweet and incredible body, she can only meet during the day because of her crazy ass mom. We have had anal, every time we have met, no rules when we have sex. We met early, but my allergies were out of control and the flight did not help, so I stayed in Saturday night. Sunday I worked in the morning. I met the second girl, another college student, she is probably a 7, but so nice, hard working and sweet. Jackpot we never had Anal before, but to my surprise she wanted anal. Just incredible.

I shower up and a quick run to the supermarket for some V. And Condoms. I Have a drink and off to RosaNegra, love this place minus the bill. I met a new girl, super hot, probably an 8, she is starting her own business. We hang out at the Restaurant for 3.5 hours, so I should not complain about the bill. Back to the Casa. Wow, incredible. Anal, Rimming, and everything else was included, just an amazing night.

Living the dream in CDMX. Monday is looking even better, we will see what happens.Yeah, my nose acts up every time I am in Mexico City. Unlike other places in Mexico, prescription drugs are more hard to come by, but I started using Oxymetazoline spray as soon as I got there and felt better. I do not know if it is pollen or pollution or the altitude but I always get a runny nose or congestion in CDMX unlike other places.

Our first must place to eat was Panderia Rosetta which is the best bakery I have ever been to. They have pastries and donuts like nowhere else you have ever been. Then it was City Market which is as good a grocery store is there is. We would load up and eat at the hotel or airbnb. It is definitely worth a visit. And I made the mistake of telling her that one of the best salads I have ever had was the Waldorf salad at California Pizza Kitchen, and she has gone nuts over it so we are always going there to eat which I do not mind. It is just I want to try new.

I think the best mongering hotel is not close to downtown but to the airport and it is Fiesta Americana Viaducto. It is located in a mall and you can enter the mall, get on the elevator, and bypass the lobby so you do not have to worry about passing by the lobby and hotel management. I was short on time this trip so we just stayed there because it is close to the airport, and this weekend we ate two meals in the malls there. We had tacos al pastor which was fantastic as usual. Then we went to a place called Casa del Tocino and they had enchiladas in green sauce that were to fucking die for. So we walk into two restaurants and are just blown away in a damned mall.

My favorite places to visit now are Chapultepec castle and Museo Soumaya. It blows me away that Mexico City has a European castle downtown, and it is a really cool place. Soumaya is Carlos Slim's personal art collection, and it is as nice a collection as I have ever seen. Admission to Soumaya is free. I noticed they had a theatre, Telcel, showing the musical Aladdin, and we went this time. The music is in Spanish but I knew the movie and could follow the story even though the talking was fast as was the singing.

My secret sauce with women was always listening to them and getting to know them. I have studies psychology and learned to giving them insight into who they are but I am actually evaluating if they are a good partner for me. Some guys like the dominant women, others like those who tell them what to do. I was studying brain chemistry and talking to women and realized that with some women that they get a high when pleasing their partner that men do not. With us, making our partner feel good is like a pride thing. With these women, caring for those they care about results in a chemical reward most men do not get. So I learned to seek out these women who get just as much pleasure as we do when they give us head. The chemical is oxytocin which reduces stress, restores faith, and actually binds people together. It is also released in women who breast feed and women who breast feed will tell you how it binds them to their child.

Thing is that you are not going to get this binding with a WG but you might with someone you are seeing more often. As you remove a woman's fears, she will let herself get closer to you. Maybe some day you will be where I am DF with a woman you want to spend more time with others but if she is a hot girl, she has guys throwing options at her every day. My gal has a pretty mundane life. She shops, cleans our place, cares for her daughter, and works out. I know there are guys out there willing to spend huge money on her ETC right, and she says it is painful being away from me. Just cuddling releases oxytocin too and if you do not have it, faith in that guy can be questioned especially when you are not there, so you have to make the times you are together somewhat memorable.

When I took the three girls to Cancun, I took them to the show at Xcaret, and it has an epic ending. I was in tears at the end the first time I saw it, and I thought the women would eat it up and they did. They gave me a show and performance that night that I will never forget. I did not know what Aladdin would bring but there is this one part where the Mexican stage crew really got it right. They rigged up some kind of pully system and got lights that looked like stars and it really appeared like Aladdin and his princess were flying at night under the stars. I looked over and my gal is balling her eyes out.

So in my role as SD it was a given that my babies were going to learn about themselves, learn about life, have fun, eat better, and see things that would have them crying their eyes out. When you show women a good time, money is almost a secondary thought for them. One SB told me that she had such a good time with me that she thought she should be paying me. To me, that is what a successful SD should strive for.

Elvis 2008
09-20-22, 02:49
Is that how women are now days? Overpriced, out of shape, controlling on birth control methods and available for meetings only their times / days of the week? Or am I scraping the bottom of the barrel?That is sadly typical and Hal, that is why DF goes to Mexico City and I have a Colombian gal who has become so much more than a SB. The USA stripper types are good looking and great in bed, but I never met one who was not crazy. Then you have the more normal ones, and the most destructive phrase for said women is "you deserve better". Well, if all women are saying that, then who do they deserve better from? Men like us. It is not like women deserve better by doing better to please men. No, they just have to lie on their backs and let us fuck them and with that, there is literally no limit to what women can ask for because they always deserve better.

So with DF, the women do anal, rimming ETC because with the Latinas you have to please your man or he will find someone who will. Unlike American women, Latin women are taught not even to complain about their man if he cheats.

I get that some men are married and cannot travel or do not have the time or whatever. Thing is Mexico City is like a 2 hour flight for me and many Americans in the Southern part of the country, and I have global entry, which you can get too, and now getting in and out of Mexico City is like no different than flying domestic. So yeah, what you are seeing is typical for the USA and that is why so many guys have learned to fish elsewhere.

FilthyBeaver
09-20-22, 03:15
It doesn't sound like we're into the same kind of girls so I won't comment on the rest but if she's telling you she needs 1 k, she's going to get it one way or another and tell you whatever you want to hear to get as much of it as she can from you.

Now, if she WANTS 1 k, there may be some room for negotiation but that's mostly going to be you talking and her nodding her head up and down.

Unless you're willing to share her, move on or raise your ante. Else you are due for disappointment.




3. Third women appears good in photos, and is on depo shot so I could probably do her BBFS all the time, however said she needs $1,000 a week or will need two Sugar Daddys. Not sure I would want to share anyone with another cum giving man, so I am going to meet her and see what we can negotiate, maybe the second guy would use a condom. She does not want to work, wants me to totally support her. Not sure I am interested to the tune of $52 K a year. May try her for a week or two and discard her if she is a poor performer. She set the rate and expects me to meet her requirements. Will see.

Akibono
09-20-22, 05:06
After some initial learnings from my Dubai seeking experience, I moved onto London. I find the escort agencies a little hit or miss, so gave seeking a go.

Girls name. Aliya_sa. Search on London and search on name and she will pop-up. She is back in London late September, and she has not logged in since then.

She is the girl in the picture, and in my opinion a 9/10 - Really Attractive, very well dressed, pretty face and outstanding body.

She requested 500 for the meeting, and I knocked her down to 400. We met at at the bar of a hotel in the Kensington area, and we really hit it off. She is from Belarus, but lives half the year in Moscow and half the year in London. Since we were having a nice time and she was very attractive, we went for a light dinner close by. No money had been exchanged at this point, so after some food / drinks we decided to retreat to my hotel room for an evening of sex. Money was exchanged in the hotel room and a full girlfriend experience was given. Had a couple of really enjoyable rounds and the second one with CIM. Which was a nice touch. We both feel asleep and she left around 10 am the following morning.

Would I repeat. I plan to soon when back in London. We keep in regular contact.

I am starting in certain cities to have a preference by using seeking, both London and Dubai have so far yielded good results.

Tips. We had a quick video call before we met.

MS.Do you have a suggestion for hotels in London as they are quite expensive? Thanks.

HumbleHal
09-20-22, 15:15
It doesn't sound like we're into the same kind of girls so I won't comment on the rest but if she's telling you she needs 1 k, she's going to get it one way or another and tell you whatever you want to hear to get as much of it as she can from you.

Now, if she WANTS 1 k, there may be some room for negotiation but that's mostly going to be you talking and her nodding her head up and down.

Unless you're willing to share her, move on or raise your ante. Else you are due for disappointment.Thanks for your comments. I met her last night and she is not a 10 but a solid 8. 5 to 9 and good potential personality wise. Slightly overweight, but had foot surgery and has not been to the gym like in the past. She is interviewing potential SDs now, she said, and I am one of her finalists. She is going to meet the other potential Sugar Daddy tonight, said she is thinking about having 2 SDs to cover her financial needs and wants, 600 each per week for one session. That is more than I have ever contributed to a SB's health and welfare, may be ok for now to start with her and see how she performs. I will contact her after she meets her second potential SD and see. I could work her into my schedule / stable. I Had to let one go who stood me up Saturday, no call no show, no job, so I have a vacancy for another SB.

HumbleHal
09-20-22, 15:19
That is sadly typical and Hal, that is why DF goes to Mexico City... Thing is Mexico City is like a 2 hour flight for me and many Americans in the Southern part of the country, and I have global entry, which you can get too, and now getting in and out of Mexico City is like no different than flying domestic. So yeah, what you are seeing is typical for the USA and that is why so many guys have learned to fish elsewhere.Yes, but your time is worth something too, with the travel time to the airport, arriving 2 hours early at airport, then you have to pay for a hotel, air fare, etc. So Mexico City is an option, but you are paying one way or another to get a cheaper woman.

I told my barber I had gotten a haircut in the Philippines for only $2. 20. He said, "Well how much did the airfare cost to get that haircut?" Fucker retired during covid, now I use clippers myself and it seems to be a better solution, no waiting in the barber shop and decent haircuts.

MagicSheep74
09-20-22, 16:12
Do you have a suggestion for hotels in London as they are quite expensive? Thanks.I really quite like the Kensington / Chelsea are so I stayed here - www.royalgardenhotel.co.uk , for around $220 a night. For a 5 Star in this area, its pretty good.

The staff did just laughed when I was bringing a different girl back each night!

www.divaescort.com is pretty decent all around for incall / outcall, but I have a preference for seeking at this moment and London has a good sugar baby scene.

MS.

DramaFree11
09-20-22, 17:34
Yes, but your time is worth something too, with the travel time to the airport, arriving 2 hours early at airport, then you have to pay for a hotel, air fare, etc. So Mexico City is an option, but you are paying one way or another to get a cheaper woman.

I told my barber I had gotten a haircut in the Philippines for only $2. 20. He said, "Well how much did the airfare cost to get that haircut?" Fucker retired during covid, now I use clippers myself and it seems to be a better solution, no waiting in the barber shop and decent haircuts.Exactly, a lot of guys forget to add this into how much they are really paying on there trips. If it is direct flight no big deal. Connecting flights add a lot to a trip in lost time at work and travel costs.

EuropeanDmv75
09-21-22, 14:34
My range is $175-250 (Pesos 3500-5000) 4-5 hours of fun, 2 sessions on sex. Time has really not been an issue with most of these girls and they love sex, probably more then me. Some girls are asking for $300-350, I would only pay that if they are super hot. Lots of girls are available from $175-250. The good thing about SA in CDMX is most of the girls will try to speak English and are on time for the most part. I do not waste my time with girls that will no longer speak English. Also, I avoid all girls that do not have an Mexican number, usually just a big waste of time. Most of the girls that do not have a Mexican number are either from Colombia and Venz, I block immediately. There are also Euro and Russian chicks, but I am not really interested in there crazy lifestyle any more.I think you are paying way too much. Consider that it is not uncommon for young girls to make 10 K per month in regular jobs. I usually stay in the 2000-3000 range. Whenever I have done 4-4500 is because she is from a wealthier background (e. G. Pedregal, Interlomas) so they are a little more demanding. Now, for full disclosure, I speak native Spanish so all my negotiations are 100% in Spanish. So that might make a difference.

DramaFree11
09-21-22, 19:28
I think you are paying way too much. Consider that it is not uncommon for young girls to make 10 K per month in regular jobs. I usually stay in the 2000-3000 range. Whenever I have done 4-4500 is because she is from a wealthier background (e. G. Pedregal, Interlomas) so they are a little more demanding. Now, for full disclosure, I speak native Spanish so all my negotiations are 100% in Spanish. So that might make a difference.Time is money. The girls I deal with are on-time for the most part, and can speak English. I very seldom have a no-show, but it does happen. In the price range you are talking about, all the items I have listed will be a major. Also, I am with most of the girls 3-5 hours, plus 2 pops.

Most of the decent looking girls In CDMX will, not move for less then $200, sorry this my experience.

Hwynerk
09-21-22, 23:08
Hi,

I'll be in Dublin from 18th October to 22th October, and I'd like to have some fun with young and sexy girls too.

Do you known some reliable and -if possible- not too expensive sugarbabies in Dublin for an extended overnight* ? (I upgraded to Seeking Premium today).

*in reality, I've booked a double room in both hotels (I'll be at first at Carlton Airport and then at Trinity Townhouse Hotel. I hope both hotels are green, if I decide to call for an escort), therefore it would be possible for a truly good SA-girl to make the whole vacation with me, but I prefer to have a SA-girl only 1 night and leave the other nights for me. Or escorts or another, different, SA.

I thank you very much everyone that can help me (about Ireland there is not much, even about escorts) !

Akibono
09-22-22, 04:17
I really quite like the Kensington / Chelsea are so I stayed here - www.royalgardenhotel.co.uk , for around $220 a night. For a 5 Star in this area, its pretty good.

The staff did just laughed when I was bringing a different girl back each night!

www.divaescort.com is pretty decent all around for incall / outcall, but I have a preference for seeking at this moment and London has a good sugar baby scene.

MS.Thanks. It's nice to have a place that impresses the girl without breaking the bank.

EuropeanDmv75
09-22-22, 13:36
Time is money. The girls I deal with are on-time for the most part, and can speak English. I very seldom have a no-show, but it does happen. In the price range you are talking about, all the items I have listed will be a major. Also, I am with most of the girls 3-5 hours, plus 2 pops.

Most of the decent looking girls In CDMX will, not move for less then $200, sorry this my experience.As I said, I am a native speaker so whether they speak English or not is not important for me. That may be the difference in price. Everything else you mentioned (3-5 hours, 2-3 pops), I get. That has never been an issue. A few ones even spend the night although it is very rare because most of them still live with family so it is hard to justify.

DramaFree11
09-22-22, 23:11
As I said, I am a native speaker so whether they speak English or not is not important for me. That may be the difference in price. Everything else you mentioned (3-5 hours, 2-3 pops), I get. That has never been an issue. A few ones even spend the night although it is very rare because most of them still live with family so it is hard to justify.Basically, we are $50 a part. I would have lost out on a lot of great girls if my goal was too be cheap. I will negotiate with these girls, but for a few bucks it is just not worth. I vary rarely pay more then $250 and most of the time it is $200. Plus I am seeing these girls regularly and we are in regular contact.

Again at $100-150, this take a lot more time and effort. You are losing out on a lot of girls if this is your goal.

AmericanPi
09-23-22, 14:24
Just my occasional public service announcement that the following shall not be tolerated in SAs:

- absurdly long nails.

- those fake bushy eyelashes.

- the phrase "just looking for friends".

- "online only".

- no sex on the first date.

- the phrase "I'm getting a lot of attention. Shoot your best shot. ".

- face tattoos.

That is all.

Gfefan
09-23-22, 19:41
Plus, "my time is valuable", "I know my worth".

Hey chick, what makes you think my time is less valuable?

If you knew your worth, alright, please go find bezos and gates.


Just my occasional public service announcement that the following shall not be tolerated in SAs:

- absurdly long nails.

- those fake bushy eyelashes.

- the phrase "just looking for friends".

- "online only".

- no sex on the first date.

- the phrase "I'm getting a lot of attention. Shoot your best shot. ".

- face tattoos.

That is all.

AmericanPi
09-24-22, 16:14
Look at my gifts page.

And.

Let's go shopping together.


Plus, "my time is valuable", "I know my worth".

Hey chick, what makes you think my time is less valuable?

If you knew your worth, alright, please go find bezos and gates.

DonCarlos1234
09-24-22, 20:50
Have taken to dinner 3 women from

Is that how women are now days? Overpriced, out of shape, controlling on birth control methods and available for meetings only their times / days of the week? Or am I scraping the bottom of the barrel?LOL Yes but NO! Where the heck are you finding them? USA?

DonCarlos1234
09-24-22, 20:58
Basically, we are $50 a part. I would have lost out on a lot of great girls if my goal was too be cheap. I will negotiate with these girls, but for a few bucks it is just not worth. I vary rarely pay more then $250 and most of the time it is $200. Plus I am seeing these girls regularly and we are in regular contact.

Again at $100-150, this take a lot more time and effort. You are losing out on a lot of girls if this is your goal.If you can not afford to date hot women on SA. Stay home. I pay them what they are worth. You will not find them walking the streets looking for quickies. The girls I have found are "keepers" so stop thinking about the best "deal" you can get. The exception is the girls who want much more than what is reasonable. Let them fly to Dubai.

NeilGeorge
09-25-22, 15:41
If you can not afford to date hot women on SA. Stay home. I pay them what they are worth. You will not find them walking the streets looking for quickies. The girls I have found are "keepers" so stop thinking about the best "deal" you can get. The exception is the girls who want much more than what is reasonable. In my humble opinion, the women who are dancers or retired dancers want the most money. They are experienced and talented at quoting a high fee, some are worth it for awhile. Others are on SA simply because they have children and do not want to work late nights dancing and hustling at a titty bar. Usually the women who are older, like 35, think their pussy is worth more. Unfortunately they have alot of bad habits, are addicted to marijuana or worse, have alot more tattoos and children issues. The best age is about 24-28, they are confused, looking for adventure, and would give away their pussy if they found someone they like or thought was hot, so trading sex for money is ok with this age and they generally need less money, have less dependents to support and their life is less complicated.

DramaFree11
09-26-22, 01:08
If you can not afford to date hot women on SA. Stay home. I pay them what they are worth. You will not find them walking the streets looking for quickies. The girls I have found are "keepers" so stop thinking about the best "deal" you can get. The exception is the girls who want much more than what is reasonable. Let them fly to Dubai.I hope you come sometime and we can meet. CDMX is definitely more the long game then Tijuana or Colombia, but so much fun and very little competition or low end Sex tourist. It is crazy how you can get a cheaper flight to CDMX then I can, Airlines just continue to piss me off. I am back in the CDMX getting to have a drink and meeting a beautiful girl for dinner tonight.

As far as J. See. , I have no comment. I am not sure why he post those pictures and pays those girls. If you have any game or skill you can get those girls for free. I am not going to fly to another country to have low quality girls, sorry, it just makes no sense.

DramaFree11
09-27-22, 00:42
I flew out of MtY to CDMX. 3 of my regulars were on Vacation. 2 were at the beach and the other was in Europe. I guess SA works for girls as well.

Elvis 2008
09-27-22, 17:40
In my humble opinion, the women who are dancers or retired dancers want the most money. They are experienced and talented at quoting a high fee, some are worth it for awhile. Others are on SA simply because they have children and do not want to work late nights dancing and hustling at a titty bar. Usually the women who are older, like 35, think their pussy is worth more. Unfortunately they have alot of bad habits, are addicted to marijuana or worse, have alot more tattoos and children issues. The best age is about 24-28, they are confused, looking for adventure, and would give away their pussy if they found someone they like or thought was hot, so trading sex for money is ok with this age and they generally need less money, have less dependents to support and their life is less complicated.NG,

I think you are talking about the USA right? If so, you are right on.

In other countries, things are different. There are not as many dancers and you are much more likely to run into a hot civilian with a regular job or student. I used to find more normal women in the USA when I first started using seeking in the USA. After a while, I did not bother with the USA. Seeking is just so much better in other countries.

Elvis 2008
09-27-22, 17:43
I hope you come sometime and we can meet. CDMX is definitely more the long game then Tijuana or Colombia, but so much fun and very little competition or low end Sex tourist. It is crazy how you can get a cheaper flight to CDMX then I can, Airlines just continue to piss me off. I am back in the CDMX getting to have a drink and meeting a beautiful girl for dinner tonight.I hope you and Don do meet up. You two have similar taste in women and love to have fun. I am bummed that I cannot be there with you two.

Simplii
09-28-22, 04:23
I hope you and Don do meet up. You two have similar taste in women and love to have fun. I am bummed that I cannot be there with you two.Let's meet up all the Seeking players in Mexico City!

I would like to talk and share ideas about this wonderful lifestyle.

Simplii
09-28-22, 04:45
As I said, I am a native speaker so whether they speak English or not is not important for me. That may be the difference in price. Everything else you mentioned (3-5 hours, 2-3 pops), I get. That has never been an issue. A few ones even spend the night although it is very rare because most of them still live with family so it is hard to justify.Oh yes. Absolutely, you can find better prices and more opportunities in Mexico City if you speak Spanish too!

I had discover different dates with unconventional girls, good and bad experiences, it's better to talk the local language.

If you can Pay more like Don, I think is wonderful, if not, it's ok too!! There are always girls willing to accept all kind of agreements. That's make Mexico City a wonderful place for SA.

Related to unconventional:

I had a amazing experience with a wheelchair Sugar Babe. Birth condition. So crazy! I know! But it was different and worth to try!

MiamiBoy1
09-28-22, 13:57
As far as J. See. , I have no comment. I am not sure why he post those pictures and pays those girls. If you have any game or skill you can get those girls for free. I am not going to fly to another country to have low quality girls, sorry, it just makes no sense.I agree. I met two of his favorite girls in the past and they were just average. I will try to go back to CDMX in January for my birthday and of course, hit the hottest SA girls) Can't wait.

DramaFree11
09-28-22, 23:42
I agree. I met two of his favorite girls in the past and they were just average. I will try to go back to CDMX in January for my birthday and of course, hit the hottest SA girls) Can't wait.Correct, average at best. That being said, if you plan on hooking up with anything much better than this for $100-150, you are in for a rude awakening. Possible, but highly unlikely unless you are working in CDMX full-tine or have major contacts, even then it probably will not happen. At $100 definitely not hooking up with anything hot, $150 maybe.

DramaFree11
09-29-22, 03:13
I agree. I met two of his favorite girls in the past and they were just average. I will try to go back to CDMX in January for my birthday and of course, hit the hottest SA girls) Can't wait.Let me know when you will be in CDM, I would love to meet?

Steve 9696
09-29-22, 07:47
I switched to Google Fi recently for $70/ month including unlimited data in 200 countries. And wow. How nice to not worry about no data or getting a SIM. It just magically works. Totally worth it. High recommend.

EuropeanDmv75
09-29-22, 13:27
I switched to Google Fi recently for $70/ month including unlimited data in 200 countries. And wow. How nice to not worry about no data or getting a SIM. It just magically works. Totally worth it. High recommend.What countries have you used this? I have been considering this because honestly ATT sucks and having to switch SIM cards it is not such a big deal because mostly I use Whatsapp / other chat apps so the number is not that critical but it would be a lot more convenient to just continue using your phone.

Steve 9696
09-29-22, 19:20
What countries have you used this? I have been considering this because honestly ATT sucks and having to switch SIM cards it is not such a big deal because mostly I use Whatsapp / other chat apps so the number is not that critical but it would be a lot more convenient to just continue using your phone.Only tried in UK, USA and Germany. But works all three (May have to reboot). No reason to disbelieve them. Google usually over delivers. Here's the country list.

https://fi.google.com/about/international-rates

Steve 9696
10-01-22, 19:29
Had my first SA bummer experience in a while. It wasn't all bad but def felt a bit cheap and scammy.

Really pretty girl. Very attentive over text for several weeks. Never discussed price. Met up and had a nice dinner. Didn't quite flow the way it sometimes does but after a couple drinks we had some lengthy eye contact that was nice.

Bounced to the hotel and on the way she says she's not going to my hotel. I say we can just go up and see what happens. I don't want anything she doesn't and she says ok. In the room she pushes me on the bed and straddles me. She's a bit crazy tho. She says "I'm not going to fuck you" and I say why not and I don't recall what she says. I put my hands on her tits and she pushes them away and holds my wrists down on the bed. She wants to talk money.

I say 200 and she says 400. Obviously she has the upper hand here and I relent. Ok 400. She wants it (red flag) but I am smart enough to say "I will show you I have it and put it over here" and she agrees. Anyhow long story short she says she doesn't BJ and just wants me to fuck her. Shoulda bailed but when a nine is on your bed literally asking you to fuck her while she finger fucks herself. Let's just say declining was difficult.

Without the BJ I have trouble staying hard. We do have sex in a few positions but she wants me to cum and that's not happening for a while if at all without BJ. So she calls it a day. We lie there for a bit and I say baby I can't pay 400 for that — it's not fair. And she says I know.

I put $200 in her purse while she's in the bathroom (sticking out). She doesn't count it and she is on her way. Deletes our WhatsApp right after. Boo. Not a mega fail but hoped for so much more.

That's OK I am going to Pygmalion and Vive later tonight and find my dream girl. I will post it in the Madrid thread.

DonCarlos1234
10-02-22, 02:35
Correct, average at best. That being said, if you plan on hooking up with anything much better than this for $100-150, you are in for a rude awakening. Possible, but highly unlikely unless you are working in CDMX full-tine or have major contacts, even then it probably will not happen. At $100 definitely not hooking up with anything hot, $150 maybe.Jan? It's mine also. But I just booked Medellin / Bogota for 2 weeks the beginning of December. Disappointed search in Tijuana but haven't given up. I have so many SA contacts (mostly Colombians) I know what to expect there and it's all good. CDMX is in the future. Just don't know when. Elvis? You could just be an observer, right? Or what would be the problem to attend Miss Colombia pageant or festival in Barranquilla? The new girl (flight attendant school) who speaks English in Bogota was too nice to me and it felt like the real deal. Why does that scare me? LOL anyway just checking in. Maybe Tijuana next week.

AmericanPi
10-02-22, 16:11
How's this for a messed up story.

I set up a date with a very very cute Latina. Secretary look to her. Glasses, ponytail, 23 years old. I'm super excited for the night.

She shows up and minor little detail. She neglected to mention she's got a prosthetic lower half of her leg. That's a kink I don't have. Little bait and switch if you ask me.


Had my first SA bummer experience in a while. It wasn't all bad but def felt a bit cheap and scammy.

Really pretty girl. Very attentive over text for several weeks. Never discussed price. Met up and had a nice dinner. Didn't quite flow the way it sometimes does but after a couple drinks we had some lengthy eye contact that was nice.

Bounced to the hotel and on the way she says she's not going to my hotel. I say we can just go up and see what happens. I don't want anything she doesn't and she says ok. In the room she pushes me on the bed and straddles me. She's a bit crazy tho. She says "I'm not going to fuck you" and I say why not and I don't recall what she says. I put my hands on her tits and she pushes them away and holds my wrists down on the bed. She wants to talk money.

I say 200 and she says 400. Obviously she has the upper hand here and I relent. Ok 400. She wants it (red flag) but I am smart enough to say "I will show you I have it and put it over here" and she agrees. Anyhow long story short she says she doesn't BJ and just wants me to fuck her. Shoulda bailed but when a nine is on your bed literally asking you to fuck her while she finger fucks herself. Let's just say declining was difficult.

Without the BJ I have trouble staying hard. We do have sex in a few positions but she wants me to cum and that's not happening for a while if at all without BJ. So she calls it a day. We lie there for a bit and I say baby I can't pay 400 for that it's not fair. And she says I know.

I put $200 in her purse while she's in the bathroom (sticking out). She doesn't count it and she is on her way. Deletes our WhatsApp right after. Boo. Not a mega fail but hoped for so much more.

That's OK I am going to Pygmalion and Vive later tonight and find my dream girl. I will post it in the Madrid thread.

MiamiBoy1
10-02-22, 17:54
How's this for a messed up story.

I set up a date with a very very cute Latina. Secretary look to her. Glasses, ponytail, 23 years old. I'm super excited for the night.

She shows up and minor little detail. She neglected to mention she's got a prosthetic lower half of her leg. That's a kink I don't have. Little bait and switch if you ask me.Happened to me once in CDMX. Seeking girl. Her lower arm and elbow were fucked up, probably due to an accident (just my guess, I did not want to ask her, because it might be a sensitive topic for her). Her arm looked twisted, probably broken bones did not heal properly. Her arm was shorter than the other one. Other than that, cute girl, great body. We only sessioned once due to lack of chemistry.

SethiatSpace
10-02-22, 17:59
So people who have seen my posts here know that I haven't had much success with SA.

A few weeks ago, I got my first real "success" and a VERY interesting encounter.

- Bulgaria: Two weeks before going to Bulgaria, I started messaging girls in Sofia. Not a lot of active girls. Most of them didn't read my message or just ignored it. But this time I got a few answers.

-- Girl 1: responded quickly, 22 yo, slim, fit, good looking. We joked a little bit on SA, switched to WA, and then she said she wanted 500-600 euros. Usually I try to get them back to earth but I didn't want to and I just said 400. To which she replied it wasn't enough and then never answered again.

-- Girl 2: immediately said she would be up to meet for 500 levas for a couple hours (= 250). I think that was the first girl in Europe that didn't start asking for 500-600 euros. Agreed to meet, then later said her mom was in town and she didn't want to let her alone blabla. I still wanted to see her so I asked her if she would meet on Sunday evening, to which she said yes. So I booked another hotel (I was supposed to go straight from the beach town to sofia airport) but she never replied anymore on the day. Waste of time and money.

-- Girl 3: quoted the same thing, 500 levas for a couple hours. Now this girl is 22 and she is probably the most polite girl I have met on this damn site. We chatted quite some time on Telegram and having been burned before (especially with my other encounter which I'll describe later), I asked verification video, pics, etc and she always obliged with a smile and was super fun. When I arrived in Sofia, she agreed to meet in the afternoon (she still liveswith her parents so can't sneak out at night) and indeed, she came when we agreed too and apologized for being a mere minutes late. I asked her to come with a skirt and boy did she pass with flying colors. She came with a super sexy blue dress which got us quite some looks as I told her to meet me first in the small park outside the hotel. She was a bit uncomfortable in the beginning but I got her to laugh and relax. Then we agreed I'll go to the hotel and she'll follow later. I booked the room for two but when I check in, they asked me where is the second guest. I said she will come later and they told me she would have to come checkin also. Obviously she didn't want to so she just snuck in secretly. She joined me 10 min later in my room, which I found a bit long. I was still expecting something bad to happen (again, I'll explain) but in the end, no, it was just her. She came inside, we started talking, she went to shower and I told her to put her sexy dress again. She came to sit on my legs and surprise, she didn't have any panties as her dress has an opening on the side so the string line would show. I found it quite interesting that she managed to sit on the bench pantie-less haha. There she told me she only fucks with condom and asked me if that wasn't a problem for me (fine by me). Before doing anything, I asked her to show me her passport, only her birthdate part and indeed, she just turned 22 and was not underage. I went to eat her pussy and she was super clean and smelled good from top to bottom, front to back. Nice. In general she was eager to please but I would say a little bit passive. And. She was dry all the time and didn't have any gel with her. That wasn't the most pleasant experience.

Still I liked her and asked her to come back the later day, and she was happy to. 500 in two days in Bulgaria for a 22 yo is nothing to sneeze at so she was happy and I was happy. Her english is also quite good. Now the bad part is, I wanted to see if she was looking for more than casual meetup and considering she lives with her parents, and she is more on the "good girl" side, she declined. So these encounters were more on the escort side. Sad, I really liked her.

-- Girl 4: endless chat, trying slowly to get to the point that she wants a gift if we meet. yeah... didn't see her then because there are other girls not wasting 1 week before meeting a foreigner coming into town for a few days



France: So in France, i have just terrible experiences so far. Now for some reason, I found a girl which had a nice pic who registered a few days before and messaged her. She was very polite and asked to talk on Snapchat. Which I found very odd as nobody ever asked me about Snap and I don't even have it. Still, I made one account and we started talking. She asked what I wanted, etc etc and then she said she takes I forgot how many for short term and 1k for whole night but she is more looking for a monthly allowance. I said I agree but first let's meet a few times on short term and I said I was willing to pay I think it was 300. I honestly didn't care and expected her to just refuse but she said ok. Nice.... At that time I was not in Paris so couldn't meet but we kept talking. I stayed very polite but slowly told her I was looking for a girl on the more submissive side. She said she was ok with it. I insisted that it had to be from her own will, not something forced. I also asked her repeatedly that I will ask for an ID because she said she was 19 on her profile and 20 on Snap. She was polite all the way, when I asked her height, weight, etc, asking for a video, which she sent. Finally we agreed to meet at my place on Sunday evening. The girl was good looking, though didn't look like the pics on SA. Not entirely my usual type but whatever. On her way Sunday evening, she said it's quite far but I told her that I already explain where I lived so she kept to her word. Before coming I told her if she would wear a crop top and a skirt. She said she already left and was wearing a crop top but not a skirt. i told her we'll find something more suitable next time and she sent a big smile. I told her I liked her attitude and didn't know how much was real and how much was a play and she said "You will see ;)". It was also getting late and she was coming from another city so I asked her if she wanted something to eat and I ordered thai noodles for her. She arrived at the same time as the food. I gave her a fake number, which is the opposite of where I live. She called me the moment I was down getting the food and I waved at her from the other side. She came to me and boy, she was much more beautiful in real life. I was suprised. So we got up to my appartment, I had put the money somewhere, not in plain sight but she could have seen it. (I'm giving all these details but you will understand why).
I tell her to go sit outside on my balcony and we do. I give her the food and we start talking. She is on one side and me on the other side, so not sitting next to each other. So until now, we were just talking, at no point did I touch her, not even when we met downstairs to welcome her and she hadn't seen any money. We speak maybe for one hour, just getting to know each other (remember I was looking for an SB, not a ONS). She asks me what I do, etc, we talk family. And then I ask her what she does and she says she wants to become part of a mountain rescuer team but for now she is a ... GENDARME. Pardon me? Gendarmes are technically part of the french military but they act on a civilian level, so like the police but they have different tasks. Bruh. I didn't even flinch at that point and she kept going like everything was normal. Now I don't remember if it was before or after she told me she was a gendarme but she straight up asked "It doesn't bother you that I'm 20 years old?". "I mumbled no, you're above 18, it's your choice". Then she stopped. We kept talking a little bit. And then I came back to this and said "Sooo... gendarme, huh? That's not very common to stumble upon a gendarme..." and she says "oh it's more common than you think but WE just don't tell YOU (plural you)". Akward silence.... I look at the balcony. Waiting... Just say to her "Hmm... What can I do for you?". She says "Nothing"... Akward silence for 5 minutes.She asks me "so should I go take a shower?" Pardon, the what? (I asked her before on Snap to get a shower after we talked on the balcony). Now at that time I was expecting the police to knock on my door at anytime. I didn't remember what was the law about prostitution and if they were looking for men trying to fuck with underage girl. I just smiled and say "it's not necessary". She went to the door, asked me again what city and the address here was and then left.
I stayed on the balcony one hour, looking to see if the cops would pull up but nope. Haven't received anything by mail either.

Now this whole situation was really bizarre.
- This girl wrote perfect french, I even complimented her on that. Most girl her age are pathetic in this regard
- The conversation was a conversation I could have had with any other girl, not a single hint she was fishing for something/someone
- She came on a Sunday night, so technically way out of working time
- She clearly mentioned she was a kind of cop, half way
- Her mentioning if it didn't bother me that she was 20 was really weird and out of the blue
- She used Snapchat, which auto-deletes the messages. Why go for this one instead of Whatsapp which keeps the messages
- She came dressed sexy, sent videos and pictures of her half naked
- I looked up the law and paying for an escort is just a minor offence, not a crime. So you get a fine and that's it

To this day I'm confused: was she really a cop? why did she mention she was one halfway? was she looking for a child predator? did she not look into me seriously as I have been nothing but courteous by text and when we met, making sure she was not underage, making sure she would give her consent, being nice to her by ordering food, ...? Was it because I hadn't given her any money yet or didn't try to touch her? Was she actually just trying to meet a SB?

The more I thought about it, the more confused I got. I still blocked her on SA but not Snapchat. But ... call me crazy. I really like her look and talking to her. God dammit. So two days later, I wrote something on Snapchat "by mistake", like I was going to a friend and I was bringing a PS5 with me. Then apologized for mistake. She didn't read the messages. ONe week later, I sent her a message asking her if she was actually looking for someone ? No answer, no read.

But I can get quite obsessed. I asked SA if they could unblock her as you can't do it once you block someone but they never replied. So I created another account on SA... with a fake profile pic and paid the full premium membership just to message her. She replied 2 days after said she would love to meet. I was happy. But I got stupid and I was on vacation so waited 4 days before replying. And she's been off the website since, so she stayed on SA something like 10 days.
Did she catch someone as a cop? DId it get dangerous? Did she just find a SB? Did she not like it?

God dammit, I would LOOOOOOVE to see her again, as crazy as it sounds. I'm contemplating creating another snap account. Or if a nice member could contact her for me, especially if from oversea...

N.B: it felt good seeing girls who just avoided me or replied in a bad manner drool over that fake profile of this nice looking white french dude and me telling them I'm definitely not interested 😂

DramaFree11
10-03-22, 17:44
So people who have seen my posts here know that I haven't had much success with SA.

A few weeks ago, I got my first real "success" and a VERY interesting encounter.

- Bulgaria: Two weeks before going to Bulgaria, I started messaging girls in Sofia. Not a lot of active girls. Most of them didn't read my message or just ignored it. But this time I got a few answers.

-- Girl 1: responded quickly, 22 yo, slim, fit, good looking. We joked a little bit on SA, switched to WA, and then she said she wanted 500-600 euros. Usually I try to get them back to earth but I didn't want to and I just said 400. To which she replied it wasn't enough and then never answered again.

-- Girl 2: immediately said she would be up to meet for 500 levas for a couple hours (= 250). I think that was the first girl in Europe that didn't start asking for 500-600 euros. Agreed to meet, then later said her mom was in town and she didn't want to let her alone blabla. I still wanted to see her so I asked her if she would meet on Sunday evening, to which she said yes. So I booked another hotel (I was supposed to go straight from the beach town to sofia airport) but she never replied anymore on the day.Great report, be careful. One note, since I am only meeting girls in Mexico and if they do not agree to communicate on Whatsapp, it is an automatic Red Flag. Whatasapp is the main source of communication in Mexico, so if they say no or make up a crazy excuse, they are probably not real or hiding something. Some want to use other social media for communication, but I decline, I just do not have the time or desire to use any other social Media Platforms. Since I started doing this, I have had very few scammers, also I require Video Chats, this has also eliminates a lot of b. s.

DramaFree11
10-03-22, 17:48
Let's meet up all the Seeking players in Mexico City!

I would like to talk and share ideas about this wonderful lifestyle.I am here all the time, usually every 10 days. January would be perfect. Flying to CDMX will be expensive during the Holiday season. I looked and Volaris raised prices 300%, you can still fly cheap in Mexico, but not from the states. Airlines Suck!!

Kohlisaab
10-03-22, 23:42
Experiences SD in US but this is my first time doing SA in another country. In almost final talks with couple of girls and I have vetted below:

1. Checked their instragram pages and also somehow managed to find their LinkedIn (both are educated and have fairly old LinkedIn profiles).

2. The stories they tell (like about a past trip) seems to align with Insta feed.

3. Video call.

4. Kind of threw them off by asking for unprotected sex and they said No straight away.

I know this is probably more than needed but since this is the first time in CDMX, I wanted to be double sure. Is there anything else I should be doing?

Steve 9696
10-04-22, 12:59
Sorta off topic but I know some of you like to mix it up and mix in the clubs and hookers like I do. You will find my recent 12 girls in seven days jaunt strewn about the various threads. (12 in 7 is a new PR). Here's a quick summary and where to find the reports if you want any more detail.

5 Sharks FKK Frankfurt. Lush FKK with 50-100 girls. Considered one of the best worldwide, tho prices have increased and it's a bit too aggressive IMO. Had three girls in the afternoon and two late night. I tended to go for sweetness and even late twenties early thirties gals — not my usual style but it paid off with amazing BBBJ skills.

2 Penélope FKK Dortmund. Smaller than Sharks (the biggest). Maybe 15 girls? Very laid back vibe. No approaches and hard sell. And old school pricing like 50/ half + 30/ CIM. No pressure. Rather likes it. Two girls. Both really good.

1 SA Girl Sarah in London. Been seeing her off and on since May. I really like her but we aren't so sexually compatible — as in sometimes can't get it in! Damn. And she wanted to Netflix and chill vs go dancing. Had this "mellowing" of a girl happen before when they start getting comfy. Think we are done.

1 SA Girl in Madrid. See other report on this. She gave me the "I don't want to fuck you" price and I stupidly accepted because clearly she just wanted quick cash. No BJ. WTF. Fucked her some (meh) and gave her $200 and headed to the club.

3 Vive Madrid. Really liked this club. Devastatingly expensive girl drinks at $50 but if you have cash to burn a fun time. Did a Brasileira, a Dominican, and a Colombiana — my dream girl. Came out at 8:30 AM to bright sunlight and almost missed my plane!

Like many of you I adore the Seeking experience and my home girl Shayla is still my number 1 novia. But what fun to let loose as the king of the world for a bit. High recommend!

AmericanPi
10-04-22, 14:31
As a fellow seeking connoisseur, I'm interested to hear your take on vive.

I think we have a similar vibe, but it's the kind of place that seems to me like a pro setting. In other words, the opposite of Seeking. I'm curious what you found good about it. It wasn't just a *****house with girls who get pummeled 5 times a day?


Sorta off topic but I know some of you like to mix it up and mix in the clubs and hookers like I do. You will find my recent 12 girls in seven days jaunt strewn about the various threads. (12 in 7 is a new PR). Here's a quick summary and where to find the reports if you want any more detail.

5 Sharks FKK Frankfurt. Lush FKK with 50-100 girls. Considered one of the best worldwide, tho prices have increased and it's a bit too aggressive IMO. Had three girls in the afternoon and two late night. I tended to go for sweetness and even late twenties early thirties gals not my usual style but it paid off with amazing BBBJ skills.

2 Penlope FKK Dortmund. Smaller than Sharks (the biggest). Maybe 15 girls? Very laid back vibe. No approaches and hard sell. And old school pricing like 50/ half + 30/ CIM. No pressure. Rather likes it. Two girls. Both really good.

1 SA Girl Sarah in London. Been seeing her off and on since May. I really like her but we aren't so sexually compatible as in sometimes can't get it in! Damn. And she wanted to Netflix and chill vs go dancing. Had this "mellowing" of a girl happen before when they start getting comfy. Think we are done.

1 SA Girl in Madrid. See other report on this. She gave me the "I don't want to fuck you" price and I stupidly accepted because clearly she just wanted quick cash. No BJ. WTF. Fucked her some (meh) and gave her $200 and headed to the club.

3 Vive Madrid. Really liked this club. Devastatingly expensive girl drinks at $50 but if you have cash to burn a fun time. Did a Brasileira, a Dominican, and a Colombiana my dream girl. Came out at 8:30 AM to bright sunlight and almost missed my plane!

Like many of you I adore the Seeking experience and my home girl Shayla is still my number 1 novia. But what fun to let loose as the king of the world for a bit. High recommend!

Steve 9696
10-04-22, 19:45
As a fellow seeking connoisseur, I'm interested to hear your take on vive.

I think we have a similar vibe, but it's the kind of place that seems to me like a pro setting. In other words, the opposite of Seeking. I'm curious what you found good about it. It wasn't just a *****house with girls who get pummeled 5 times a day?While I like Seeking most, I like many things. In order of preference and why:

Long term Seeking Girlfriend. Feels 100% like the real thing only better. Real affection, no drama. Often bareback.

1-2 Night Seeking Girl. Like the date. Like having to seduce her a bit. Like the "first time" experience.

Nightclub w Girls for hire. Love the party vibe and a world of selection at your fingertips. Knowing every girl there will fuck you with the wave of a finger is intoxicating. Feels sorta real because it feels like any other nightclub mostly.

FKK Club. Same "buffet" and king of the world allure. But the girls all being naked and often pushy spoils the realness. Like the ability to do one. Eat. Do one. Sauna. Do one. Chat w the fellas. That part doesn't suck.

Escort Service. Easy. Great girls with right agency.

Freelance Escort. Not really my thing. Too much bait and switch.

To answer your question no I don't think the Vive girls are getting banged 5 times a day. The number of guys present 1:1 or less kinda prohibits that. And the price point of $250/ HR plus. Just reduces the number of takers. I realized in retrospect that the $50 girls drink and booth might be a bit like lap dance territory and maybe some guys just do that.

Fwiw my 5:30 AM dream girl said she saw me earlier (which would have been between 11 and 2) and that I was the first guy to take her that night and she was very grateful. Could be straight up BS but that's what she said.

DramaFree11
10-04-22, 22:30
Sorta off topic but I know some of you like to mix it up and mix in the clubs and hookers like I do. You will find my recent 12 girls in seven days jaunt strewn about the various threads. (12 in 7 is a new PR). Here's a quick summary and where to find the reports if you want any more detail.

5 Sharks FKK Frankfurt. Lush FKK with 50-100 girls. Considered one of the best worldwide, tho prices have increased and it's a bit too aggressive IMO. Had three girls in the afternoon and two late night. I tended to go for sweetness and even late twenties early thirties gals not my usual style but it paid off with amazing BBBJ skills.

2 Penlope FKK Dortmund. Smaller than Sharks (the biggest). Maybe 15 girls? Very laid back vibe. No approaches and hard sell. And old school pricing like 50/ half + 30/ CIM. No pressure. Rather likes it. Two girls. Both really good.

1 SA Girl Sarah in London. Been seeing her off and on since May. I really like her but we aren't so sexually compatible as in sometimes can't get it in! Damn. And she wanted to Netflix and chill vs go dancing. Had this "mellowing" of a girl happen before when they start getting comfy. Think we are done.

1 SA Girl in Madrid. See other report on this. She gave me the "I don't want to fuck you" price and I stupidly accepted because clearly she just wanted quick cash. No BJ. WTF. Fucked her some (meh) and gave her $200 and headed to the club.Steve, sounds like a great trip. I am little jealous.

Midwestern
10-05-22, 06:44
And then I ask her what she does and she says she wants to become part of a mountain rescuer team but for now she is a ... GENDARME. Pardon me? Gendarmes are technically part of the french military but they act on a civilian level, so like the police but they have different tasks. Bruh. I didn't even flinch at that point and she kept going like everything was normal. Now I don't remember if it was before or after she told me she was a gendarme but she straight up asked "It doesn't bother you that I'm 20 years old?". "I mumbled no, you're above 18, it's your choice". Then she stopped. We kept talking a little bit. And then I came back to this and said "Sooo... gendarme, huh? That's not very common to stumble upon a gendarme..." and she says "oh it's more common than you think but WE just don't tell YOU (plural you)". Akward silence.... I look at the balcony. Waiting... Just say to her "Hmm... What can I do for you?". She says "Nothing"... Akward silence for 5 minutes.She asks me "so should I go take a shower?" Pardon, the what? (I asked her before on Snap to get a shower after we talked on the balcony). Now at that time I was expecting the police to knock on my door at anytime. I didn't remember what was the law about prostitution and if they were looking for men trying to fuck with underage girl. I just smiled and say "it's not necessary". She went to the door, asked me again what city and the address here was and then left.
I stayed on the balcony one hour, looking to see if the cops would pull up but nope. Haven't received anything by mail either.

Now this whole situation was really bizarre.
- This girl wrote perfect french, I even complimented her on that. Most girl her age are pathetic in this regard
- The conversation was a conversation I could have had with any other girl, not a single hint she was fishing for something/someone
- She came on a Sunday night, so technically way out of working time
- She clearly mentioned she was a kind of cop, half way
- Her mentioning if it didn't bother me that she was 20 was really weird and out of the blue
- She used Snapchat, which auto-deletes the messages. Why go for this one instead of Whatsapp which keeps the messages
- She came dressed sexy, sent videos and pictures of her half naked
- I looked up the law and paying for an escort is just a minor offence, not a crime. So you get a fine and that's it

My guess is that she's never done this before and so she was a little nervous and did not know what to do. Her considering a career as a gendarme is not a total shocker to me. I have known several young women that did not have college degrees, skills, or any good job prospects, consider such careers. The last SB that I had had previously tried a career in the military because she could not think of any other job that she could do or wanted to do.

EuropeanDmv75
10-05-22, 14:28
I had a quick visit to CDMX because of personal commitment this past weekend. I arrived on Friday around 4 pm and went straight to my hotel (City Express Plus Reformal El Angel). I like this place because it is a moderate price and centrally located. Just a few steps walking distance from Angel of Independencia and in the middle of Zona Rosa so a lot of bars and restaurants around.

I had already made plans with Ingrid which I had met from previous visits so she came to my hotel and when she was there I just came down and we went to Cantina La20 that is across the street for a few drinks. I like this place. It is a little pricey for Mexico standards but cheaper than any similar establishment in USA. After a few drinks, we headed back to the hotel and I fucked her two times. Because I know her, she lets me fuck her bareback which is always a plus. She was willing to spend the night but I had plans with another girl for breakfast so I just told her I was too tired. Overall, we spent around 4 hours together (including drinks) and I gave her 2500 MX. I had a very good time with her.

Next morning I woke up early and I had made plans to meet Ximena at 930 am. She is 25 and a law student from University Anahuac. She arrived a little late but she came straight to my room. We talked a little bit and then we proceeded to have some fun. We spent 2.5 hours together and I was able to get 2 pops out of it. I could have spent more time with her but I had a personal commitment so that was all the time I had. The damage was 4000 for our encounter. It is usually more than what I pay but she comes from a wealthier background so it is just economics. I did not mind paying that as she is always fun and eager to please.

The rest of the day I spent with my family celebrating my cousin's 40th birthday (the main reason I came this weekend). I was debating whether to have someone come over late in the evening but I knew I would be too tired and probably a little drunk to really enjoy it. It turned out to be a good decision.

I woke up late and met some friends for lunch. I had started talking with Ana in SA one week earlier and made arrangements to meet her on Sunday early evening. She is 20, university student, curvy. She arrived on time and she was very friendly and nice. She gave me a nice BBBJ and let me finish in her mouth. We had some wine and talked more and then I fucked her. My flight was early morning on Monday so I did not even try for her to stay the night. I usually like them a little skinnier but she had nice curves. I will definitely consider her for future visits.

Overall, it was a very nice and enjoyable weekend. I will be returning in a few weeks for the whole week so it should be fun.

Mongerer88
10-05-22, 17:15
My guess is that she's never done this before and so she was a little nervous and did not know what to do. Her considering a career as a gendarme is not a total shocker to me. I have known several young women that did not have college degrees, skills, or any good job prospects, consider such careers. The last SB that I had had previously tried a career in the military because she could not think of any other job that she could do or wanted to do.I agree. Nothing inconsistent there.

Sex work, particularly escorting, pays well for short bursts of intense action with a hell of a lot more downtime and administrative work than anyone realizes. A lady might like to do more than one job like that. A sex worker (or Sugar Baby) can also be a mountain rescuer.

I have seen more than one escort who was a paramedic, a job that pays surprisingly little compared to the benefits provided to society.

Mountain rescue is similar to a paramedic, presumably with even less constant action.

Policewoman is interesting. Obviously a front page story if it got publicized in a country where the activity was illegal on both sides.

But downtime is another related concept. One escort I see was once a private detective. The kind hired to do stakeouts and take pictures of potential insurance fraud people. She worked by herself on assignments, so she had time to do both of her jobs.

I think that Sugaring is an increasingly lucrative option in this "work from home" environment. Hard to track every employee all the time.

Ggekko2009
10-06-22, 12:24
This is the first time that I have brought along a small vibrator, no more than the size of two index fingers wrapped around, to my trip. What a huge difference it makes to the sex with the girls.

I have used it so far with two girls this week, and I am surprised how intense it was for them and in turn how turned on it was for me. When they get that horny and aroused, anything becomes possible with them. The trick is as the dick slides in and out regardless of which position, place the vibratory on the girl's clits, and you will see the huge difference it makes.

DramaFree11
10-06-22, 16:19
This is the first time that I have brought along a small vibrator, no more than the size of two index fingers wrapped around, to my trip. What a huge difference it makes to the sex with the girls.

I have used it so far with two girls this week, and I am surprised how intense it was for them and in turn how turned on it was for me. When they get that horny and aroused, anything becomes possible with them. The trick is as the dick slides in and out regardless of which position, place the vibratory on the girl's clits, and you will see the huge difference it makes.Girls love vibrators!! In America guys will probably be replaced by vibrators.

WildMan1971
10-07-22, 12:12
So I met this lady from Seeking Arrangement Dubai last night, my first SA Dxb experience, and it was a fucking nightmare. I'll keep it brief and will then throw in a question for you guys in order to get some sage advice:

I guess she's back, phone number ending digits are 887; call herself Raphaelle. Very pushy, straight to the point and wanted to book restaurant herself for date night.

SA ID Naturalbeauty.

DramaFree11
10-07-22, 17:09
So I met this lady from Seeking Arrangement Dubai last night, my first SA Dxb experience, and it was a fucking nightmare. I'll keep it brief and will then throw in a question for you guys in order to get some sage advice:

I guess she's back, phone number ending digits are 887; call herself Raphaelle. Very pushy, straight to the point and wanted to book restaurant herself for date night.

SA ID Naturalbeauty.Thank you for the story. One rule I have implemented, is if the girls phone number does not match up with the area I am targeting, it is usually a huge red flag, and instant block. If this is the case I usually require a Video Chat. Most of the time I just block them, and focus on a local. If they are from another countries they are usually asking for way more then the going rate and are usually more demanding.

Also, if a girl is demanding from the beginning, this is a turn off to me and usually I move on. There are lots of great girls available, just move on.

NapataJohn
10-08-22, 07:18
SA ID Naturalbeauty.You think she is natural and a beauty?

Midwestern
10-09-22, 10:30
I know a hot late-30's single mom. I tried to have an NSA FWB relationship with her, but she wanted a real relationship and marriage. I told her that I did not want that. All this was about a year ago. Eventually, we just became texting buddies, but texting only about once per month.

A couple of months ago, she started asking me for advice about her 11-year old son. He's not too bright. I gave her some suggestions. Recently, she asked me if her son could get into a USA University, even if he finished at the bottom of his class, which is where he is usually. I actually have a pretty good connection to an average level USA College. I told her that I would try to get him into that college. Wow, she was so grateful! Should I try to f**k her now? Or does this make me a low-life? I honestly will try to help him when the time comes, but it will take some effort on my part.

Simplii
10-09-22, 13:57
I had a quick visit to CDMX because of personal commitment this past weekend. I arrived on Friday around 4 pm and went straight to my hotel (City Express Plus Reformal El Angel). I like this place because it is a moderate price and centrally located. Just a few steps walking distance from Angel of Independencia and in the middle of Zona Rosa so a lot of bars and restaurants around.

I had already made plans with Ingrid which I had met from previous visits so she came to my hotel and when she was there I just came down and we went to Cantina La20 that is across the street for a few drinks. I like this place. It is a little pricey for Mexico standards but cheaper than any similar establishment in USA. After a few drinks, we headed back to the hotel and I fucked her two times. Because I know her, she lets me fuck her bareback which is always a plus. She was willing to spend the night but I had plans with another girl for breakfast so I just told her I was too tired. Overall, we spent around 4 hours together (including drinks) and I gave her 2500 MX. I had a very good time with her.

Next morning I woke up early and I had made plans to meet Ximena at 930 am. She is 25 and a law student from University Anahuac. She arrived a little late but she came straight to my room. We talked a little bit and then we proceeded to have some fun. We spent 2.5 hours together and I was able to get 2 pops out of it. I could have spent more time with her but I had a personal commitment so that was all the time I had. The damage was 4000 for our encounter. It is usually more than what I pay but she comes from a wealthier background so it is just economics. I did not mind paying that as she is always fun and eager to please.

The rest of the day I spent with my family celebrating my cousin's 40th birthday (the main reason I came this weekend). I was debating whether to have someone come over late in the evening but I knew I would be too tired and probably a little drunk to really enjoy it. It turned out to be a good decision.

I woke up late and met some friends for lunch. I had started talking with Ana in SA one week earlier and made arrangements to meet her on Sunday early evening. She is 20, university student, curvy. She arrived on time and she was very friendly and nice. She gave me a nice BBBJ and let me finish in her mouth. We had some wine and talked more and then I fucked her. My flight was early morning on Monday so I did not even try for her to stay the night. I usually like them a little skinnier but she had nice curves. I will definitely consider her for future visits.

Overall, it was a very nice and enjoyable weekend. I will be returning in a few weeks for the whole week so it should be fun.Really good!

How much was for the Curvy one?

EuropeanDmv75
10-09-22, 17:35
Really good!

How much was for the Curvy one?I had negotiated 2000 mx but she was very nice and enjoyed my time with her. So I gave her 2500. She was very happy about it. It is a good addition to my roster. Sometimes the curvy / chubby ones are the most fun and the most eager to please.

Akibono
10-09-22, 18:32
I know a hot late-30's single mom. I tried to have an NSA FWB relationship with her, but she wanted a real relationship and marriage. I told her that I did not want that. All this was about a year ago. Eventually, we just became texting buddies, but texting only about once per month.

A couple of months ago, she started asking me for advice about her 11-year old son. He's not too bright. I gave her some suggestions. Recently, she asked me if her son could get into a USA University, even if he finished at the bottom of his class, which is where he is usually. I actually have a pretty good connection to an average level USA College. I told her that I would try to get him into that college. Wow, she was so grateful! Should I try to f**k her now? Or does this make me a low-life? I honestly will try to help him when the time comes, but it will take some effort on my part.You are a pro. You don't need our blessing. Ofc you should f* her. What makes you a lowlife is if you make it a quid pro quo. Gain her trust and it will occur naturally. Women always thinks they can change a man. Nothing wrong with playing along. The fact that she has not broke it off when you said no is an indication she is leaving the door open to the possibility.

Kohlisaab
10-09-22, 18:38
Thanks for your feedback. Are you able to share the SA handles?


I had a quick visit to CDMX because of personal commitment this past weekend. I arrived on Friday around 4 pm and went straight to my hotel (City Express Plus Reformal El Angel). I like this place because it is a moderate price and centrally located. Just a few steps walking distance from Angel of Independencia and in the middle of Zona Rosa so a lot of bars and restaurants around.

I had already made plans with Ingrid which I had met from previous visits so she came to my hotel and when she was there I just came down and we went to Cantina La20 that is across the street for a few drinks. I like this place. It is a little pricey for Mexico standards but cheaper than any similar establishment in USA. After a few drinks, we headed back to the hotel and I fucked her two times. Because I know her, she lets me fuck her bareback which is always a plus. She was willing to spend the night but I had plans with another girl for breakfast so I just told her I was too tired. Overall, we spent around 4 hours together (including drinks) and I gave her 2500 MX. I had a very good time with her.

Next morning I woke up early and I had made plans to meet Ximena at 930 am. She is 25 and a law student from University Anahuac. She arrived a little late but she came straight to my room. We talked a little bit and then we proceeded to have some fun. We spent 2.5 hours together and I was able to get 2 pops out of it. I could have spent more time with her but I had a personal commitment so that was all the time I had. The damage was 4000 for our encounter. It is usually more than what I pay but she comes from a wealthier background so it is just economics. I did not mind paying that as she is always fun and eager to please.

The rest of the day I spent with my family celebrating my cousin's 40th birthday (the main reason I came this weekend). I was debating whether to have someone come over late in the evening but I knew I would be too tired and probably a little drunk to really enjoy it. It turned out to be a good decision.

I woke up late and met some friends for lunch. I had started talking with Ana in SA one week earlier and made arrangements to meet her on Sunday early evening. She is 20, university student, curvy. She arrived on time and she was very friendly and nice. She gave me a nice BBBJ and let me finish in her mouth. We had some wine and talked more and then I fucked her. My flight was early morning on Monday so I did not even try for her to stay the night. I usually like them a little skinnier but she had nice curves. I will definitely consider her for future visits.

Overall, it was a very nice and enjoyable weekend. I will be returning in a few weeks for the whole week so it should be fun.

Steve 9696
10-09-22, 20:55
I know a hot late-30's single mom. I tried to have an NSA FWB relationship with her, but she wanted a real relationship and marriage. I told her that I did not want that. All this was about a year ago. Eventually, we just became texting buddies, but texting only about once per month.

A couple of months ago, she started asking me for advice about her 11-year old son. He's not too bright. I gave her some suggestions. Recently, she asked me if her son could get into a USA University, even if he finished at the bottom of his class, which is where he is usually. I actually have a pretty good connection to an average level USA College. I told her that I would try to get him into that college. Wow, she was so grateful! Should I try to f**k her now? Or does this make me a low-life? I honestly will try to help him when the time comes, but it will take some effort on my part.If you would help him anyhow there is absolutely nothing devious at all. In fact that just means your a great guy. And if she's grateful and therefore in the mood to give back this is just basically how the world works. Guys earn money and do nice things for girls and they reciprocate. Just the facts of life.

If on the other hand you are like "I'm not going to help unless you fuck me" (doesn't sound like u) that's a bit less an argument for sainthood. LOL.

So just go about helping but it's a great time to see how open she is to you.

Elvis 2008
10-10-22, 05:02
I know a hot late-30's single mom. I tried to have an NSA FWB relationship with her, but she wanted a real relationship and marriage. I told her that I did not want that. All this was about a year ago. Eventually, we just became texting buddies, but texting only about once per month.

A couple of months ago, she started asking me for advice about her 11-year old son. He's not too bright. I gave her some suggestions. Recently, she asked me if her son could get into a USA University, even if he finished at the bottom of his class, which is where he is usually. I actually have a pretty good connection to an average level USA College. I told her that I would try to get him into that college. Wow, she was so grateful! Should I try to f**k her now? Or does this make me a low-life? I honestly will try to help him when the time comes, but it will take some effort on my part.MW, there may have been a time that I traveled to sin city with a couple of other guys and they really like Skittles but I really did not care for it. Skittles are a delight to the senses. Right? So one guy says "We need to find a woman who will fuck all three of us. " Amazingly, we find such a woman, and she asks for money, and one guys says, "Can we give you Skittles in place of money? And she says yes. I had never done that before and was shocked at how easy it was, but in hindsight, if we gave her money and she went and bought her own Skittles, we were contributing to her tooth decay just the same right?

There was a time in the strip clubs in the 90's every dancer and waitress was going to medical school or law school. I talked to one and she had no fucking clue what she was talking about and then I realized it was just a ruse. The line worked initially because the guys felt badly about giving these women the money and wanted to think they were "helping the women out" when the women were probably just buying skittles as well.

The whole idea of having a SB was like having a daughter you helped but for the most part the relationships would end in part because I realized there were no helping these women. You try to meet their needs and they just got more needy. It is easier for them to run to another fisherman than for the women to learn to fish on their own.

It is very rare to find a woman especially in this world who is worthy of an investment of time and money. When you mention friendship, real friendship is helping each other out. Has she done anything to help you? Or is she just the kind of woman who thinks your talking to her and buying her dinner every once in a while is what she does for you?

Have you heard women talk about men? There is this I like Asian guys or I like tall guys. Why is that better than being with guys who work hard, have money, and been successful? Since when is what you look like more important than what you do?

It is in one sense. With the tall guys or Asian guys, the women may really be interested in the guy. I could be wrong MW and maybe this woman is hanging around you and really enjoys your company, but she does not sound like a friend to me. My real friends would help my kids out without a quid pro quo. She sounds like a WG sucking up money and favors from men without putting out.

And if that is the case, then fuck her and do not think twice about it.

Simplii
10-10-22, 07:08
Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba.

2. $1500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1.

3. $4000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad.

4. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615.

5. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9.

6. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae.

7. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3.

8. $1000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf.

9. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae.

10. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f.

11. $2500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa.

12. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445.

Please, if you have more info with links please share!

Midwestern
10-10-22, 10:15
At akibono at steve.

Thanks for the nudge. Will proceed.

AmericanPi
10-10-22, 13:57
There is an irony in having this conversation here.

If seeking has taught me something, it's that you can have young, available, disposable poon pretty much when you want it.

Why even bother with the emotional baggage of all of this? For a late 30's mom? With those kinds of potential complications? She wanted marriage, you wanted fwb. This just seems like it's three or four more posts away from going off the rails.


I know a hot late-30's single mom. I tried to have an NSA FWB relationship with her, but she wanted a real relationship and marriage. I told her that I did not want that. All this was about a year ago. Eventually, we just became texting buddies, but texting only about once per month.

A couple of months ago, she started asking me for advice about her 11-year old son. He's not too bright. I gave her some suggestions. Recently, she asked me if her son could get into a USA University, even if he finished at the bottom of his class, which is where he is usually. I actually have a pretty good connection to an average level USA College. I told her that I would try to get him into that college. Wow, she was so grateful! Should I try to f**k her now? Or does this make me a low-life? I honestly will try to help him when the time comes, but it will take some effort on my part.

WyattEarp
10-10-22, 18:43
MW, there may have been a time that I traveled to sin city with a couple of other guys and they really like Skittles but I really did not care for it. Skittles are a delight to the senses. Right? So one guy says "We need to find a woman who will fuck all three of us. " Amazingly, we find such a woman, and she asks for money, and one guys says, "Can we give you Skittles in place of money? And she says yes. I had never done that before and was shocked at how easy it was, but in hindsight, if we gave her money and she went and bought her own Skittles, we were contributing to her tooth decay just the same right?

There was a time in the strip clubs in the 90's every dancer and waitress was going to medical school or law school. I talked to one and she had no fucking clue what she was talking about and then I realized it was just a ruse. The line worked initially because the guys felt badly about giving these women the money and wanted to think they were "helping the women out" when the women were probably just buying skittles as well.I bought Skittles to pass out on Halloween. Now I'm starting to think that might not be such a good idea.

DramaFree11
10-10-22, 19:50
MW, there may have been a time that I traveled to sin city with a couple of other guys and they really like Skittles but I really did not care for it. Skittles are a delight to the senses. Right? So one guy says "We need to find a woman who will fuck all three of us. " Amazingly, we find such a woman, and she asks for money, and one guys says, "Can we give you Skittles in place of money? And she says yes. I had never done that before and was shocked at how easy it was, but in hindsight, if we gave her money and she went and bought her own Skittles, we were contributing to her tooth decay just the same right?

There was a time in the strip clubs in the 90's every dancer and waitress was going to medical school or law school. I talked to one and she had no fucking clue what she was talking about and then I realized it was just a ruse. The line worked initially because the guys felt badly about giving these women the money and wanted to think they were "helping the women out" when the women were probably just buying skittles as well.

The whole idea of having a SB was like having a daughter you helped but for the most part the relationships would end in part because I realized there were no helping these women. You try to meet their needs and they just got more needy. It is easier for them to run to another fisherman than for the women to learn to fish on their own.

It is very rare to find a woman especially in this world who is worthy of an investment of time and money. When you mention friendship, real friendship is helping each other out. Has she done anything to help you? Or is she just the kind of woman who thinks your talking to her and buying her dinner every once in a while is what she does for you?

Have you heard women talk about men? There is this I like Asian guys or I like tall guys. Why is that better than being with guys who work hard, have money, and been successful? Since when is what you look like more important than what you do?

It is in one sense. With the tall guys or Asian guys, the women may really be interested in the guy. I could be wrong MW and maybe this woman is hanging around you and really enjoys your company, but she does not sound like a friend to me. My real friends would help my kids out without a quid pro quo. She sounds like a WG sucking up money and favors from men without putting out.

And if that is the case, then fuck her and do not think twice about it.So true about the Strip Clubs, the main reason I stop going, is I would get so depressed hearing these girls crazy stories. Yes, they lie, but when it comes to kids, there is no reason to lie. It was so sad they would be wasted out of their mines late afternoons. Many were addicted to substances and the damage this was causing their families, is just horrible. I have been back with girls, a few times, that is always fun, but by myself, I cannot remember the last time I went.

You would think in Mexico I would be meeting a lot of girls that have children, but it has totally been the opposite then in the states. Of all the girls I have met, maybe 10% have kids in Mexico,(Maybe even lower), and this also applies to when I was traveling in Moscow / Ukraine.

I am not against being involved with women that have children, but they really need to have the shit together, otherwise it is no go for me. Also, if I date a girl that has children in Mexico that probably means her mom is totally involved or they are living together to help out. This is no go, as well, just too much drama.

EuropeanDmv75
10-11-22, 00:20
Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba.

2. $1500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1.

3. $4000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad.

4. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615.

5. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9.

6. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae.

7. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3.

8. $1000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf.

9. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae.

10. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f.

11. $2500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa.

12. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445.

Please, if you have more info with links please share!Thanks for Sharing. This is great information and it would be great if more people would contribute information like this. So my question for you, did you actually meet any of these girls or just kind of negotiated with them but have not met them yet? I identified a few of the girls in your list and I will provide some more info as soon as I finish some work presentations.

RamDavidson84
10-11-22, 01:44
Are there any other apps in the USA / Latin America that are comparable to Seeking? And I mean apps for sugarbabies and pros, not apps for normal girls like Tinder.

Elvis 2008
10-11-22, 04:26
I am not against being involved with women that have children, but they really need to have the shit together, otherwise it is no go for me. Also, if I date a girl that has children in Mexico that probably means her mom is totally involved or they are living together to help out. This is no go, as well, just too much drama.LOL. Yeah, in my case, child's father is totally out of the picture. She is not speaking with her mother and has not for years, and her father is older, has health issues, and cheated with three different women when married (my kind of guy LOL.) so his opinion on us will probably go in one ear and out the other if he had one.

I remember when I first got married how about parent's approval and how it was so important, and in hindsight, it was really more of a burden than anything else. More often than not like you found, parents have their own agenda and it is often not what is in their child's best interest. It is like when you introduce a gal to family it is your way of saying it is legit, but lately, I have been like I am too fucking old to need anyone else's approval.

One gal I was dating had a daughter, and I did not even need to meet her to know we were not getting serious. I knew this kid at age 3 would be in and out of detention every week for the rest of her life, and I thought to myself, "I am too old for this shit. " There definitely was going to be conflicts with me and her over this kid in the future.

With my current gal, her daughter is the opposite. She does not get into trouble, is adventurous but follows the rules enough and loves to play. And she is a pretty thing and is #1 in her class. Without even my saying so, she has already implied she wants me to be her father figure. She wants to be a doctor, and I think she has the brains, work ethic, and mental stamina to get there. That is rare for me to say or think that, and she is young.

Thing about Colombia DF is I think you saw the lower parts of Colombia. Paulie said Colombia as a country is one big con, and I would say that is true for like 90 or 95% of the country. JJBee said that Americans cannot date the Colombian elites, but guys who used seeking including me did it all the time. He portrays himself as a Colombia expert and there have been so many times, I want to say, "MF, you have no clue what you are talking about. ".

So yeah, the non-elites of Colombia are probably what you saw and Paulie described, but it is different at the top levels. You cannot be cocky when you see the homework this young girl gets. What she is studying is as advanced if not more so than when I was her age, and she studies her ass off. The Colombian elites have an educational program on par with the Asian nations. Colombia is poor, and the elites think their children have to study hard and do well in school to stave off poverty. This has been a shock to me DF. It is a Colombia few here see, talk, or know about.

The good thing on Colombia is that they actually list which neighborhoods are the best on a 1 to 6 scale with a 6 being top. There was one really hot gal I introduced a friend too. She seemed too greedy to me so I passed on her but I was with my gal when my friend and this gal met. This gal was on seeking. I told the friend of mine not to give her any money but he did, and she took it and ran. Do you know what my gal's first words were about her before I said anything? She lives in a lower class neighborhood.

I am not sure Colombia is all that great for P4P. It is a great cheap place so if you want quantity and do not care about quality, there are not many places better. However, if you want quality, you want to shoot for those in white collar positions or students looking to join the white collar work force. For a guy looking for a SB or GF, forget about anything else. Colombia is 95% WGs and the beauty of it is you can usually tell where the elite SB type women are just by asking where they live.

But outside of seeking, I do not know any other way to get to the elite class. You can imagine they pretty much hang out with their own.