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John S123
09-15-23, 11:15
The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.I'm sorry MiamiBoy1, but are you talking about Colombia? Because, if so, your prices are completely off. I have spent around 4 months in Medellin this year and usually max out the 6 month tourist visa annually. The majority of people who are participating in the P4P market in Colombia are Colombians. No one is paying a months pay to fuck some strange, and that goes for Medellin, Bogota, Cali, or anywhere else in Colombia. Women are, however, getting quite good at fleecing foreigners who think in dollars and go to La Isla and throw 1's like a bunch of idiots thinking it's an American strip club.

But your insinuation that the previous poster's pricing ranges are no longer valid is asinine. You're welcome to pay whatever the hell you want, but posting that these prices are in any way normal in Colombia is not helpful for anyone who is looking to visit Colombia. Unless you're pulling a psyop and trying to get less people to visit Colombia for box.

AmericanPi
09-15-23, 15:02
Hi folks,

I am meeting a SB tomorrow through seeking. We discussed money over whatsapp (with my fake name and a virtual number) and she also talked about what she does (no anal, yes condom etc). Given that paying for sex is illegal in US, do you take any precautions? I guess there is a 0. 001% chance that she will bring along LE. Or a 0. 01% chance that she blackmails later on.

In Spain I wasn't worried since sex for money is legal there.I am prone to worry too. And overprepare. But you have literally nothing to worry about.

Consider how preposterous it would be for LE. To not fish where the fish are in massage parlors, on HX, on bedpage, but to literally jump thru the hoops of setting dates with a guy on seeking to trap him.

Your bigger threat by far is a crazy girl who steals from you. Extorts you. Cons you. Pay more attention to that.

Intelligencium
09-15-23, 17:29
I am prone to worry too. And overprepare. But you have literally nothing to worry about.

Consider how preposterous it would be for LE. To not fish where the fish are in massage parlors, on HX, on bedpage, but to literally jump thru the hoops of setting dates with a guy on seeking to trap him.

Your bigger threat by far is a crazy girl who steals from you. Extorts you. Cons you. Pay more attention to that.Thanks! Extortion is one worry I have too. But I'm hiding my real identity well (I think). My wallet is hidden in the room, I'll make sure she leaves before I go to my car etc. Fingers crossed.

Steve 9696
09-15-23, 17:31
Hi folks,

I am meeting a SB tomorrow through seeking. We discussed money over whatsapp (with my fake name and a virtual number) and she also talked about what she does (no anal, yes condom etc). Given that paying for sex is illegal in US, do you take any precautions? I guess there is a 0. 001% chance that she will bring along LE. Or a 0. 01% chance that she blackmails later on.

In Spain I wasn't worried since sex for money is legal there.I've done Seeking in US with over 40 girls. If you have been chatting and setting up the date LE has no time for such bullshit. And it needs to be quid pro quo "money for sex" which SA never is. I really never discuss it in person which is safest. But if you do then don't ever get as explicit as money for sex. And in the room you will not pay her till after. LE is not going to have sex with you. So no money exchanged till 100% not LE. I usually put it in an unmarked envelope under the ice bucket or phone and put it in her bag later after sex.

Short story. Don't worry.

MiamiBoy1
09-15-23, 17:35
I'm sorry MiamiBoy1, but are you talking about Colombia? Because, if so, your prices are completely off. I have spent around 4 months in Medellin this year and usually max out the 6 month tourist visa annually. The majority of people who are participating in the P4P market in Colombia are Colombians. No one is paying a months pay to fuck some strange, and that goes for Medellin, Bogota, Cali, or anywhere else in Colombia. Women are, however, getting quite good at fleecing foreigners who think in dollars and go to La Isla and throw 1's like a bunch of idiots thinking it's an American strip club.

But your insinuation that the previous poster's pricing ranges are no longer valid is asinine. You're welcome to pay whatever the hell you want, but posting that these prices are in any way normal in Colombia is not helpful for anyone who is looking to visit Colombia. Unless you're pulling a psyop and trying to get less people to visit Colombia for box.Yes, I was talking about Colombia. BTW, do you realize you are in the Seeking Arrangement thread where SA girls and rates are discussed? Not El Centro SW or casa hoes. Seeking caters to foreigners, not locals, and yes, foreigners pay those rates. If they didn't, we wouldn't get quoted the rates I posted. Also, this is not my first rodeo, I spend months in Colombia every year, 4+ months in 2023 alone and just got back to States last week. If you disagree with the rates I posted, feel free to post the rates you got quoted or negotiated with Seeking girls, and also, post their profile pics, so that we all know what you are talking about. If you manage to score Seeking stunners for $50-100 or whatever you pay, and can prove this, and if you can do this consistently, I will take my hat off. But until then, your response to my post is not constructive. Am I happy with those rates? Sure I'm not, and I have to pass on some girls, but not only because of the rates they quote, but because I get hoe vibes more often than not, screaming that my experience will be lame. And I don't want to pay top dollar for a quickie with a pro.

Gfefan
09-15-23, 19:38
Nothing to worry. Try meeting at a social setting. Always - before sex.

Helps weed out crazies, druggies, and cons. LE on SA. Highly unlikely.

Be prepared for underage idiots, though. In the US, parents of underage can press charges even later on. I posted about this in the past.

Bottomline. US is shitty. But I will not worry about LE on SA. Do take common sense precautions though. Like Steve said always pay after and pay discrete (money not paid hand to hand also allows for a non-transactional illusion).


Hi folks,

I am meeting a SB tomorrow through seeking. We discussed money over whatsapp (with my fake name and a virtual number) and she also talked about what she does (no anal, yes condom etc). Given that paying for sex is illegal in US, do you take any precautions? I guess there is a 0. 001% chance that she will bring along LE. Or a 0. 01% chance that she blackmails later on.

In Spain I wasn't worried since sex for money is legal there.

John S123
09-16-23, 00:11
Yes, I was talking about Colombia. BTW, do you realize you are in the Seeking Arrangement thread where SA girls and rates are discussed? Not El Centro SW or casa hoes. Seeking caters to foreigners, not locals, and yes, foreigners pay those rates. If they didn't, we wouldn't get quoted the rates I posted. Also, this is not my first rodeo, I spend months in Colombia every year, 4+ months in 2023 alone and just got back to States last week. If you disagree with the rates I posted, feel free to post the rates you got quoted or negotiated with Seeking girls, and also, post their profile pics, so that we all know what you are talking about. If you manage to score Seeking stunners for $50-100 or whatever you pay, and can prove this, and if you can do this consistently, I will take my hat off. But until then, your response to my post is not constructive. Am I happy with those rates? Sure I'm not, and I have to pass on some girls, but not only because of the rates they quote, but because I get hoe vibes more often than not, screaming that my experience will be lame. And I don't want to pay top dollar for a quickie with a pro.If your argument is that prices have increased over the past, say, year, I have no objection to that. If your argument is that there exist women in Colombia on Seeking who are quoting $200 USD or $300 USD on the platform, I also have no objection. I have, in fact, been quoted $300 USD before by a woman who said she doesn't like cheap guys (BLOCKED). There are certainly some foreigners paying that as well. However, that is by no means the norm. And I will simply dismiss the strawman of Centro hoes as I have legitimately never been there aside from the obligatory sight seeing at the Museo de Antioquia. I don't spend time in that trashcan.

I'm also going to address the fact that you initially responded to the individual who posted prior to you with no photos, no rates, and no negotiations with Seeking girls. If you want to do this, you go first with your the photos and chat logs, but I'm not adhering to a standard that you don't even attempt to abide by, my friend. I also doubt you want to burn any relationships you have with these women by posting their photos on a publicly accessible website unless they are actively advertising as prostitutes. I'm not stupid.

If you won't do that, then we have no reason to continue going back and forth on this topic. Your claim is that the majority or all of the 8+'s on Seeking across all locations in Colombia are asking for 200 USD (800,000 COP) to 300 USD (1,200,000 COP) or more. My claim is that while some are certainly quoting these numbers, this is not at all the norm or standard, and the original posters report of paying 70 USD (275,000 COP) - 140 USD (550,000 COP) is attainable. The reader can draw their own conclusions.

John S123
09-16-23, 00:30
Yes, I was talking about Colombia. BTW, do you realize you are in the Seeking Arrangement thread where SA girls and rates are discussed? Not El Centro SW or casa hoes. Seeking caters to foreigners, not locals, and yes, foreigners pay those rates. If they didn't, we wouldn't get quoted the rates I posted. Also, this is not my first rodeo, I spend months in Colombia every year, 4+ months in 2023 alone and just got back to States last week. If you disagree with the rates I posted, feel free to post the rates you got quoted or negotiated with Seeking girls, and also, post their profile pics, so that we all know what you are talking about. If you manage to score Seeking stunners for $50-100 or whatever you pay, and can prove this, and if you can do this consistently, I will take my hat off. But until then, your response to my post is not constructive. Am I happy with those rates? Sure I'm not, and I have to pass on some girls, but not only because of the rates they quote, but because I get hoe vibes more often than not, screaming that my experience will be lame. And I don't want to pay top dollar for a quickie with a pro.If your argument is that prices have increased over the past, say, year, I have no objection to that. If your argument is that there exist women in Colombia on Seeking who are quoting $200 USD or $300 USD on the platform, I also have no objection. I have, in fact, been quoted $300 USD before by a woman who said she doesn't like cheap guys (BLOCKED). There are certainly some foreigners paying that as well. However, that is by no means the norm. And I will simply dismiss the strawman of Centro hoes as I have legitimately never been there aside from the obligatory sight seeing at the Museo de Antioquia. I don't spend time in that trashcan.

I'm also going to address the fact that you initially responded to the individual who posted prior to you with no photos, no rates, and no negotiations with Seeking girls. If you want to do this, you go first with your the photos and chat logs, but I'm not adhering to a standard that you don't even attempt to abide by, my friend. I also doubt you want to burn any relationships you have with these women by posting their photos on a publicly accessible website unless they are actively advertising as prostitutes. I'm not stupid.

If you won't do that, then we have no reason to continue going back and forth on this topic. Your claim is that the majority or all of the 8+'s on Seeking across all locations in Colombia are asking for 200 USD ( 800,000 COP) to 300 USD (1,200,000 COP) or more. My claim is that while some are certainly quoting these numbers, this is not at all the norm or standard, and the original posters report of paying 70 USD ( 275,000 COP) - 140 USD ( 550,000 COP) is attainable. The reader can draw their own conclusions.

BlueMoon22
09-16-23, 02:16
Your bigger threat by far is a crazy girl who steals from you. Extorts you. Cons you. Pay more attention to that.These were my major concerns after meeting red flag girl. I'm still amazed she gave me my money back after she backed out. I was an idiot for going to see her (to be fair the red flags weren't waving like crazy until I was half way there) but she was so fucking hot I wanted to see her. That whole thing still blows my mind.

The main thing is just try and talk a decent amount before you meet and you can gauge the craziness.

MiamiBoy1
09-16-23, 04:04
If your argument is that prices have increased over the past, say, year, I have no objection to that. If your argument is that there exist women in Colombia on Seeking who are quoting $200 USD or $300 USD on the platform, I also have no objection. I have, in fact, been quoted $300 USD before by a woman who said she doesn't like cheap guys (BLOCKED). There are certainly some foreigners paying that as well. However, that is by no means the norm. And I will simply dismiss the strawman of Centro hoes as I have legitimately never been there aside from the obligatory sight seeing at the Museo de Antioquia. I don't spend time in that trashcan.

I'm also going to address the fact that you initially responded to the individual who posted prior to you with no photos, no rates, and no negotiations with Seeking girls. If you want to do this, you go first with your the photos and chat logs, but I'm not adhering to a standard that you don't even attempt to abide by, my friend. I also doubt you want to burn any relationships you have with these women by posting their photos on a publicly accessible website unless they are actively advertising as prostitutes. I'm not stupid.

If you won't do that, then we have no reason to continue going back and forth on this topic. Your claim is that the majority or all of the 8+'s on Seeking across all locations in Colombia are asking for 200 USD ( 800,000 COP) to 300 USD (1,200,000 COP) or more. My claim is that while some are certainly quoting these numbers, this is not at all the norm or standard, and the original posters report of paying 70 USD ( 275,000 COP) - 140 USD ( 550,000 COP) is attainable. The reader can draw their own conclusions.I responded to Elvis simply because the rates he posted is what he used to pay back in the day. He has a girlfriend now, and has been in the relationship for quite some time, so he is not up to date when it comes to current rates. I don't know what you consider to be the norm or the standard. I stated the facts, because I just got back from Colombia and had been using Seeking while I was there. The rates change over time, and what used to be the norm or the standard some time ago, is no longer the norm. Like it or not, 200+ USD is what good looking girls want these days, and not for an overnight date, but for 2-3 hours max. Any major city in Latin or South America (CDMX, SP, Rio, Bogota, Buenos Aires, etc) got the same rates if you are looking for quality. Medellin is no exception. Heck, you won't even find that many 8's on Seeking in medellin because most of them are off market, traveling, etc.

Intelligencium
09-16-23, 05:28
Nothing to worry. Try meeting at a social setting. Always - before sex.

Helps weed out crazies, druggies, and cons. LE on SA. Highly unlikely.

Be prepared for underage idiots, though. In the US, parents of underage can press charges even later on. I posted about this in the past.

Bottomline. US is shitty. But I will not worry about LE on SA. Do take common sense precautions though. Like Steve said always pay after and pay discrete (money not paid hand to hand also allows for a non-transactional illusion).Thanks all for the tips and reassurances. The meet went fine. I did not get a chance to meet her before the sex. I have only half a day free once a week and I can't waste it on meet and greets. I also cannot be seen in public. But I got good (normal person) vibes chatting with her. And she turned out to be normal. She had experience before, so I appreciated that she wasn't too nosy, was discrete and wasn't clingy.

500 PPM, but she was pretty vanilla compared to Europe. We had sex twice in 2 hours including chit-chat. I am not sure if I will repeat if I can find someone hotter. But if not, will try to talk her down to 400. Fingers crossed.

Elvis 2008
09-16-23, 12:15
I responded to Elvis simply because the rates he posted is what he used to pay back in the day.Back in the day was two years ago, and I was quoted $250, $300, $800, and even $2000 a month from women, and I did not partake with any of these women because of their rates. In fact, more often that not when I was in Colombia, I did not mention price. We have had this talk before MB and I told you not to mention money when meeting women, and you tried it, and it worked.

Unlike in the USA, I found you did not have to lead with money. What I said was between $70 and $140 satisfied the women and if I was willing to repeat, I could have had seeking women night and day. I averaged 3 dates a day in Medellin and 2 in Bogota. When there were no shows or I was just horny and wanted strange, I ventured out into the hooker world, and I have said this before, the sex I had in the hooker world in Colombia on average was better than I had in the seeking world. I just repeated with the better seeking women.

If a seeking woman wanted $200, and I could have better sex with an escort for half that or a good Santa Fe chick for 10% that, why would I pay that price? Escorts and SWs have prices. Seeking women are supposed to get gifts not set rates.

There was a black girl from Cali in Santa Fe who had the nicest body of any woman I have ever been with in Colombia, and she gave a great massage. First time I saw her, I paid $12. Next time I saw her, I said I wanted an hour with no interruptions and paid her the whopping sum of $25. You make these comments about diseased women in SF and centro in Medellin, and I get where you are coming from but I have seen women from Santa Fe who turn heads and are very into health.

I think the guys who pay the $200+ dollars are deluding themselves into thinking these women are not escorts when they are. If they set a price, they are escorts. Maybe guys think they are low volume and safer because they are on seeking, but I would not take that as gospel.

I kept my seeking diamonds to myself, but I posted and commented on the ones I did not want to repeat with, and a lot of guys saw these women and banged them too, so aren't these women really escorts?

So yeah, maybe some of the Colombian women on seeking are asking for a lot, but I would not pay it. If 8+ escorts are going for $200 an hour, then I would have considered paying $200, but I see no reason for anyone to do that when they are charging $100 an hour. The best sex I have ever had with women from seeking are those where price was never mentioned and inevitably, the women who asked for the least but gave the most in bed got the most out of me.

You made the point you get better service from a seeking woman at $200 than you do from other women. I guarantee you that if I sought out ten escorts in Santa Fe for that same $200, I would find one and probably more than one that gave better service than that $200 an hour seeking woman.

John S123
09-16-23, 12:57
I responded to Elvis simply because the rates he posted is what he used to pay back in the day. He has a girlfriend now, and has been in the relationship for quite some time, so he is not up to date when it comes to current rates. I don't know what you consider to be the norm or the standard. I stated the facts, because I just got back from Colombia and had been using Seeking while I was there. The rates change over time, and what used to be the norm or the standard some time ago, is no longer the norm. Like it or not, 200+ USD is what good looking girls want these days, and not for an overnight date, but for 2-3 hours max. Any major city in Latin or South America (CDMX, SP, Rio, Bogota, Buenos Aires, etc) got the same rates if you are looking for quality. Medellin is no exception. Heck, you won't even find that many 8's on Seeking in medellin because most of them are off market, traveling, etc.There aren't uniform prices across major cities in Europe. Nor are there uniform prices across major cities in the United States. But, somehow, prices are uniform across all of the major cities and currencies in Latin America?

Look, you have paid what you've paid, and as I said before, you're free to pay whatever you would like to pay on Seeking. I don't control anyone's pocketbook. But I am in numerous Medellin groups where we share information on different strategies and platforms to find talent. Multiple have boots on the ground across Colombia (Medellin, Cali, Bogota) paying around 300,000-600,00 COP ($75-$150) for anywhere from multiple hours to TLN with all of the bells and whistles on Seeking specifically, with photo and video proof. Outside of Seeking, naturally paying less. I am not speculating or guessing on any of this.

Have I also seen people paying 1,200,000 COP ($300) for a cita? Certainly. But that is still not the norm.

You did not state "the facts" about the entire market on Seeking in Latin America, you stated what you personally paid and then extrapolated that to the entire market. I am also stating what other people are paying in the Seeking market in Colombia currently. Not a year ago, not 6 months ago. Now. Today.

$200+ USD for 2-3 hours on Seeking in major cities in Latin America is not the norm.

As I said before, the reader can draw their own conclusions. That's the whole point of the forum.

MiamiBoy1
09-16-23, 17:06
There aren't uniform prices across major cities in Europe. Nor are there uniform prices across major cities in the United States. But, somehow, prices are uniform across all of the major cities and currencies in Latin America?

Look, you have paid what you've paid, and as I said before, you're free to pay whatever you would like to pay on Seeking. I don't control anyone's pocketbook. But I am in numerous Medellin groups where we share information on different strategies and platforms to find talent. Multiple have boots on the ground across Colombia (Medellin, Cali, Bogota) paying around 300,000-600,00 COP ($75-$150) for anywhere from multiple hours to TLN with all of the bells and whistles on Seeking specifically, with photo and video proof. Outside of Seeking, naturally paying less. I am not speculating or guessing on any of this.

Have I also seen people paying 1,200,000 COP ($300) for a cita? Certainly. But that is still not the norm.

You did not state "the facts" about the entire market on Seeking in Latin America, you stated what you personally paid and then extrapolated that to the entire market. I am also stating what other people are paying in the Seeking market in Colombia currently. Not a year ago, not 6 months ago. Now. Today.

$200+ USD for 2-3 hours on Seeking in major cities in Latin America is not the norm.

As I said before, the reader can draw their own conclusions. That's the whole point of the forum.If you read my initial response to Elvis again, you will see that I categorized talent and specified the rates for each category. 7-7. 5/10 can be had for 100-125 USD. While you are applying your rates across all of the categories. If someone wants the cream of the crop, he has to pay up. Good luck scoring a 9 for a hundred bucks. Cute girl next door type. Sure.

MiamiBoy1
09-16-23, 17:20
Back in the day was two years ago, and I was quoted $250, $300, $800, and even $2000 a month from women, and I did not partake with any of these women because of their rates. In fact, more often that not when I was in Colombia, I did not mention price. We have had this talk before MB and I told you not to mention money when meeting women, and you tried it, and it worked.

Unlike in the USA, I found you did not have to lead with money. What I said was between $70 and $140 satisfied the women and if I was willing to repeat, I could have had seeking women night and day. I averaged 3 dates a day in Medellin and 2 in Bogota. When there were no shows or I was just horny and wanted strange, I ventured out into the hooker world, and I have said this before, the sex I had in the hooker world in Colombia on average was better than I had in the seeking world. I just repeated with the better seeking women.

If a seeking woman wanted $200, and I could have better sex with an escort for half that or a good Santa Fe chick for 10% that, why would I pay that price? Escorts and SWs have prices. Seeking women are supposed to get gifts not set rates.

There was a black girl from Cali in Santa Fe who had the nicest body of any woman I have ever been with in Colombia, and she gave a great massage. First time I saw her, I paid $12. Next time I saw her, I said I wanted an hour with no interruptions and paid her the whopping sum of $25. You make these comments about diseased women in SF and centro in Medellin, and I get where you are coming from but I have seen women from Santa Fe who turn heads and are very into health.

I think the guys who pay the $200+ dollars are deluding themselves into thinking these women are not escorts when they are. If they set a price, they are escorts. Maybe guys think they are low volume and safer because they are on seeking, but I would not take that as gospel.

I kept my seeking diamonds to myself, but I posted and commented on the ones I did not want to repeat with, and a lot of guys saw these women and banged them too, so aren't these women really escorts?

So yeah, maybe some of the Colombian women on seeking are asking for a lot, but I would not pay it. If 8+ escorts are going for $200 an hour, then I would have considered paying $200, but I see no reason for anyone to do that when they are charging $100 an hour. The best sex I have ever had with women from seeking are those where price was never mentioned and inevitably, the women who asked for the least but gave the most in bed got the most out of me.

You made the point you get better service from a seeking woman at $200 than you do from other women. I guarantee you that if I sought out ten escorts in Santa Fe for that same $200, I would find one and probably more than one that gave better service than that $200 an hour seeking woman.I'm not disagreeing with your approach about not mentioning money. And this approach maybe worked well some time ago or still works in smaller cities or places with little competition. But SA in Medellin, and Bogota to some extent, nowadays is saturated with escorts who would roll out the price before you open your mouth. And as soon as a girl does that, I lose interest, be it a 100 USD or 300 USD, doesn't matter. Finding a hot woman who would not discuss price at all is like finding a unicorn. And look, its not like I'm completely against discussing rates, but I prefer to do it later into the conversation, and also, I don't want to get quoted ("800 k por 3 horas, amor" LOL) and have time constraints, I use Steve's approach, tell them how I see our date going and what my offer is. Unfortunately, it has become much harder to use this approach in Colombia, this is why I've been itching to try other places, like SP or BA. Even CDMX might be a better option.

I'm wondering how your approach/strategy would look like right now, if you didn't have a gf. Specifically in Colombia. What worked for you 2-3 years ago might not work today, the time has changed.

The Cane
09-18-23, 18:42
Hell no, not me. But the one and only girl I had a smashing success with on SA before I quit it after only three months of using the site. You guys may recall that back in early 2022, I met this white, blue-eyed, blonde hottie on SA, and we started bareback fucking straight away (with internal cum shots) for about 6 months. Well then she moved too far away for it all to continue, but we remained friendly and stayed in touch for at least another 6 months or so. Then all of a sudden crickets from her. I knew that she still had an ad on SA, but had of course changed her location. And then finally her SA ad disappeared too, which led me to believe that she had probably met somebody. I eventually tried to contact her by text, but no response. That didn't necessarily mean anything to me because she was prone to losing her phone, and my number along with it. I decided to let it go, and figured well if she wants to contact me some day, then she will. So scroll forward to today and I'm looking around online, and wouldn't you know it but FaceBook recommends her to me as a friend! And on her page she has a picture of her at a wedding ceremony! Now, she's some kind of hot, so I'm not surprised that somebody would see fit to wife her up. If she's happy then good for her. But not me man. Her life is fucked! I did some additional searching around and found that she had some legal troubles that she conveniently never told me about, like drugs and intoxication and disorderly contact. I did what I had to do. Nut up inside that pretty "Barbie" and let somebody else marry her. That's the monger way! Like I said, good for the both of them if they're happy. I was while it lasted LOL!

The Cane
09-18-23, 20:49
Her life is fucked! I did some additional searching around and found that she had some legal troubles that she conveniently never told me about, like drugs and intoxication and disorderly contact.Meant to say disorderly "conduct". And by the way, her new husband was in the picture. Looked to be an early to mid-30's white guy (she's late 20's). I could have had her hand in holy wedded matrimony, but you guys know me. Not going there. And she knew there was no way it was going there. I think that's why she up and split after 6 months. She knew I would never commit to anything long-term, and she obviously needed somebody to do that, even if just for financial reasons. She asked me at one point if all of her problems (the ones I knew about anyway) were a turnoff. Hey, I'm just not the marrying type and never have been (and especially not to somebody who would drag me into all of her personal financial and emotional shit). Nope! No siree Bob! No, I'm the "mongering type" LOL!

DramaFree11
09-18-23, 21:03
Hell no, not me. But the one and only girl I had a smashing success with on SA before I quit it after only three months of using the site. You guys may recall that back in early 2022, I met this white, blue-eyed, blonde hottie on SA, and we started bareback fucking straight away (with internal cum shots) for about 6 months. Well then she moved too far away for it all to continue, but we remained friendly and stayed in touch for at least another 6 months or so. Then all of a sudden crickets from her. I knew that she still had an ad on SA, but had of course changed her location. And then finally her SA ad disappeared too, which led me to believe that she had probably met somebody. I eventually tried to contact her by text, but no response. That didn't necessarily mean anything to me because she was prone to losing her phone, and my number along with it. I decided to let it go, and figured well if she wants to contact me some day, then she will. So scroll forward to today and I'm looking around online, and wouldn't you know it but FaceBook recommends her to me as a friend! And on her page she has a picture of her at a wedding ceremony! Now, she's some kind of hot, so I'm not surprised that somebody would see fit to wife her up. If she's happy then good for her. But not me man. Her life is fucked! I did some additional searching around and found that she had some legal troubles that she conveniently never told me about, like drugs and intoxication and disorderly contact. I did what I had to do. Nut up inside that pretty "Barbie" and let somebody else marry her. That's the monger way! Like I said, good for the both of them if they're happy. I was while it lasted LOL!Yep, this a familiar story. I do not deal with too much substance abuse in Mexico, but I got back on SA in Texas, about 6 months ago, unfortunately this is the norm. I met this super hot chick, but she was mess. She told me she had quit drugs, but that was not the case.

Very sad what is happening to girls in the states.

Sloninger
09-19-23, 00:40
I have had this happen twice and while I feel very happy for both of them and happy it wasn't me that did it, there is a small part that feels a little sense of loss they are no longer available for my pleasure. But I move on to the next ones and get over it quick.


Hell no, not me. But the one and only girl I had a smashing success with on SA before I quit it after only three months of using the site. You guys may recall that back in early 2022, I met this white, blue-eyed, blonde hottie on SA, and we started bareback fucking straight away (with internal cum shots) for about 6 months. Well then she moved too far away for it all to continue, but we remained friendly and stayed in touch for at least another 6 months or so. Then all of a sudden crickets from her. I knew that she still had an ad on SA, but had of course changed her location. And then finally her SA ad disappeared too, which led me to believe that she had probably met somebody. I eventually tried to contact her by text, but no response. That didn't necessarily mean anything to me because she was prone to losing her phone, and my number along with it. I decided to let it go, and figured well if she wants to contact me some day, then she will. So scroll forward to today and I'm looking around online, and wouldn't you know it but FaceBook recommends her to me as a friend! And on her page she has a picture of her at a wedding ceremony! Now, she's some kind of hot, so I'm not surprised that somebody would see fit to wife her up. If she's happy then good for her. But not me man. Her life is fucked! I did some additional searching around and found that she had some legal troubles that she conveniently never told me about, like drugs and intoxication and disorderly contact. I did what I had to do. Nut up inside that pretty "Barbie" and let somebody else marry her. That's the monger way! Like I said, good for the both of them if they're happy. I was while it lasted LOL!

Elvis 2008
09-19-23, 08:19
I'm wondering how your approach/strategy would look like right now, if you didn't have a gf. Specifically in Colombia. What worked for you 2-3 years ago might not work today, the time has changed.Nah, it worked in 3 countries for over a decade and would work as well today as it would 2 or 3 years ago.


Finding a hot woman who would not discuss price at all is like finding a unicorn.The first SB I had was in 2009 and I had her for 4+ years, paid her $400 a session, saw her every 2 weeks, and she got like $50,000 out of me all told. If you are a professional Colombian, and I sponsor you for any kind of visa, that could potentially be worth millions more in wages.

Factually, MB, you may know this is true, but I suspect you are not emotionally buying into it and confidently selling it. What I have learned is that the women have to trust me before they trust the facts. The smart, trusting, and best were certain that $200 would be peanuts in the long run.

What I would do is send out messages to all the women I was attracted to. I would usually start with the ones new to the site but send out PMs to all the women who I found attractive and narrow the field. It is not easy finding a woman attractive enough, good enough in bed, and interesting enough for me to stay with her for four years. I could pick out quickly if a woman was SB material so I learned that coffee was a better way to mingle than a meal. I had a minimum with regard to looks but I was more interested in casting a wide net and weeding out the pretenders.

MB, you spent most of your time in Medellin, and while I had some luck there mostly with college girls who were from other cities, Medellin had a short term strip club vibe to it. The long term concept was foreign to the women who lived there. Yes, the women were a little hotter than the women in other places but it was not worth the huge difference in character. Strippers, hookers, and cam girls are too married to the P4 P concept to be a good long term partner.

Thing is I was not opposed to paying a woman $200 for a first meet if there was some great need in her life. I just didn't want it to be for sex. That is demeaning to me and to her. Many times a woman would mention their financial needs, and I could get them to a better place for much less than they thought. If they really were not the hooker types, they would be grateful.

I never looked at spending money on prospects as wasted although guys here made fun of me for doing so. Mighty Alabama spends money trying to get the best football players and a lot of time that is money and time wasted. Trying to get the best never is going to be easy. If you do not want to "waste" money, then you should aim low. The sure thing is rarely the best woman.

Thing is when I had built up a harem of women in Colombia, I was operating out of a position of power. It was not like how good are you, but why are you better than what I have? Why would I bother with some hooker for $200 when I already had three or four willing to go bare for $100 or even less and who probably were better in bed?

The ultimate litmus test for me was I could not have a real SB unless she could travel and that meant Mexico. When I bought a potential SB a ticket to Mexico, half of them did not make it, and I suspected which ones would make it and which ones would not. Thing is if you are savvy enough to make it through customs, you are probably savvy enough to be a good SB.

And so any woman saying, "I need $200 to meet" would have been axed by me. A woman who says she needs $200 for her sick grandmother, shows me that she spent the money on grandmother (even if she spent none or just some of it on her), and comes back and fucks the shit out of me like someone who has just helped her grandmother is the kind I wanted.

Nounce
09-19-23, 13:19
.... Unfortunately, it has become much harder to use this approach in Colombia, this is why I've been itching to try other places, like SP or BA. Even CDMX might be a better option....It happens much faster in Medellin to see a girl before and after being stimulated by money. It also happens in other cities but at a much slower speed.

DramaFree11
09-19-23, 13:53
It happens much faster in Medellin to see a girl before and after being stimulated by money. It also happens in other cities but at a much slower speed.I guess I was ahead of my time with my assessment of MDE and Colombian Chicks. There are still lots of hot ones, but they have been told they are the hottest girls in the world for several years and guys have been throwing money at them.

There are still good girls to be found in the smaller cities, but that takes work, time and money. The easy days are over.

Those that have some game, a decent budget and put in the work will still be successful. , Elvis is correct about searching the smaller cities, but other guys will do the same.

Gfefan
09-19-23, 15:38
Remember one of my previous SBs who got married and I had mixed feelings?

She pings me yesterday out of nowhere that she was thinking about me and our time together. It seems innocent and she shared a few pics from her current life.

She ended with a "good to talk to you. Will let you know when I am around in town".

What are the odds that I will get to fuck her again? Should I / Shouldn't I?

She is one of those few nicest girls I have met and I would want the best for her. On one aide, I don't want sexual desires mess up her current life. On other hand, I have had amazing time with her. Chemisry and sex were always great when it lasted.

Intelligencium
09-19-23, 15:48
Should I / Shouldn't I?

She is one of those few nicest girls I have met and I would want the best for her. On one aide, I don't want sexual desires mess up her current life. On other hand, I have had amazing time with her. Chemisry and sex were always great when it lasted.You should. If it isn't you, it will be someone else. She is the one proposing to meet, you aren't forcing her.

The Cane
09-19-23, 16:52
Remember one of my previous SBs who got married and I had mixed feelings?

She pings me yesterday out of nowhere that she was thinking about me and our time together. It seems innocent and she shared a few pics from her current life.

She ended with a "good to talk to you. Will let you know when I am around in town".

What are the odds that I will get to fuck her again? Should I / Shouldn't I?

She is one of those few nicest girls I have met and I would want the best for her. On one aide, I don't want sexual desires mess up her current life. On other hand, I have had amazing time with her. Chemisry and sex were always great when it lasted.The one who I just wrote about who got married? After thinking about it, turns out the last time she contacted me she had to already be married! At least I think so based on when she put that picture up on her FaceBook page and when I received her last text. And when she last contacted me, she said that she missed me and wanted to know if I wanted to see her. I turned her down at the time, not because she had married (I didn't know that then), but because I was going to be really, really busy with work and knew I wasn't going to have time for her (was the busiest time of the year for me). Besides, she had moved for good it seemed and was saying stuff like she didn't know if he could afford the gas, etc. I just wanted to go ahead and break any remaining dependency (both financial and emotional).

But hey, if she was back in this area for some reason (still has some family here) and she wanted to fuck? Damn straight I would fuck her again! And no condoms either. Just like before. She's too good looking not to be taking my sperm if I can dump it in her. I'm not going out of my way to do it. I don't want to get in her marriage. But if she was in town and called me and said, "Hey want to meet up"? Then I would. And then let the chips (and panties) fall where they may. She's the type who would have a fucked up marriage anyway. I can just anticipate that shit (a failed marriage). But, it won't be me who precipitates that. I'm no homewrecker. But, I wouldn't turn down an opportunity to "nut" inside of her beautiful, blonde, "Barbie" self again under the right set of circumstances. No siree Bob I wouldn't!

Elvis 2008
09-19-23, 17:48
I guess I was ahead of my time with my assessment of MDE and Colombian Chicks. There are still lots of hot ones, but they have been told they are the hottest girls in the world for several years and guys have been throwing money at them.I agree. I thought Medellin was over rated when I first went there fifteen years ago. Everyone talks about the great climate but when I was last there, every day was cold, raining, and overcast.


Elvis is correct about searching the smaller cities, but other guys will do the same.Of all the women I messaged in Cali, I think one had been on a date with a guy from seeking. The rest were seeking virgins. If I were doing seeking, I would focus on the newbies in Barranquilla and Bogota and all the women in Cali. I still think Barranquilla has the hottest women in the country. There are too many foreigners pumping up the egos of women in Cartagena and Medellin.

I would also print up a bunch of business cards and had them out to all the attractive women I met in the smaller towns and ask them about a side job where they could make more money. Even if I just hit one in twenty, that would be enough. If I can get a Colombian woman alone in a coffee shop, I could almost always close the deal.

My favorite city off the beaten path is Villa De Leyva, https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g676524-Activities-Villa_de_Leyva_Boyaca_Department.html.

I didn't see anyone who was not Colombian there. Maybe not in that city but in the general area, you got people who leave their houses unlocked. Even though it is the same country, it is a far cry from the Medellin materialism.

The Cane
09-19-23, 18:18
You should. If it isn't you, it will be someone else. She is the one proposing to meet, you aren't forcing her.If he doesn't fuck her, then most assuredly someone else will. He didn't seek her out or try to mess anything up. But if she's around and wants to fuck? Just do it! Discretely LOL!

MiamiBoy1
09-19-23, 18:51
Nah, it worked in 3 countries for over a decade and would work as well today as it would 2 or 3 years ago.

What makes you believe that? The world is changing, and it has changed a lot post-Covid. Nothing works forever.

I think I already posted about it, but a few weeks ago I messaged every attractive girl that has been online recently or is new on SA. Maybe 40-50 girls total. Probably 10 responded. 8 out of 10 would quote a price rate away. The remaining 2 didn't, however they were either very slow to respond or not available to meet, or a combination of both. So, in the end I have zero candidates to work with, if I ditch the ones who quoted me a price. Time is wasted, and if I don't entertain pros, I'm leaving MDE with a pair of blue balls. This is the reality of today's SA in Medellin. It's like Tinder, for example. In the States, Tinder doesn't work no matter how hard you try, especially in tier 1 cities. Literally, zero matches. I go to a place like Russia, and I got a shit ton of matches. Same profile, same photos, same opening messages. Now I'm thinking SA times in Colombia, at least in tier 1 cities, are over. Got to find a new alternative. Colombia has been a no brainer. Nice weather all year round, inexpensive, short flights from the States, and the same time more exotic than Mexico or DR. I have no clue what my next frequent destination will be.

DramaFree11
09-20-23, 00:08
What makes you believe that? The world is changing, and it has changed a lot post-Covid. Nothing works forever.

I think I already posted about it, but a few weeks ago I messaged every attractive girl that has been online recently or is new on SA. Maybe 40-50 girls total. Probably 10 responded. 8 out of 10 would quote a price rate away. The remaining 2 didn't, however they were either very slow to respond or not available to meet, or a combination of both. So, in the end I have zero candidates to work with, if I ditch the ones who quoted me a price. Time is wasted, and if I don't entertain pros, I'm leaving MDE with a pair of blue balls. This is the reality of today's SA in Medellin. It's like Tinder, for example. In the States, Tinder doesn't work no matter how hard you try, especially in tier 1 cities. Literally, zero matches. I go to a place like Russia, and I got a shit ton of matches. Same profile, same photos, same opening messages. Now I'm thinking SA times in Colombia, at least in tier 1 cities, are over. Got to find a new alternative. Colombia has been a no brainer. Nice weather all year round, inexpensive, short flights from the States, and the same time more exotic than Mexico or DR. I have no clue what my next frequent destination will be.You are correct about everything changing post Covid. Nothing is easy anymore, but there will also be opportunities. For those that work hard and have some money.

If traveling continues to get more expensive, this is going to cause everyone to make lifestyle changes. So there will be less competition in the more expensive destinations. This why I stick with MTY and CDMX.

DramaFree11
09-20-23, 00:18
I agree. I thought Medellin was over rated when I first went there fifteen years ago. Everyone talks about the great climate but when I was last there, every day was cold, raining, and overcast.

Of all the women I messaged in Cali, I think one had been on a date with a guy from seeking. The rest were seeking virgins. If I were doing seeking, I would focus on the newbies in Barranquilla and Bogota and all the women in Cali. I still think Barranquilla has the hottest women in the country. There are too many foreigners pumping up the egos of women in Cartagena and Medellin.

I would also print up a bunch of business cards and had them out to all the attractive women I met in the smaller towns and ask them about a side job where they could make more money. Even if I just hit one in twenty, that would be enough. If I can get a Colombian woman alone in a coffee shop, I could almost always close the deal.

My favorite city off the beaten path is Villa De Leyva, https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g676524-Activities-Villa_de_Leyva_Boyaca_Department.html.

I didn't see anyone who was not Colombian there. Maybe not in that city but in the general area, you got people who leave their houses unlocked. Even though it is the same country, it is a far cry from the Medellin materialism.Handing out Business Cards is straight out of a the Italian Guys hand book. They use to do this when I was hanging out with them on Kiev and Moscow. Sounds crazy, but it works, great idea. Honestly we should all be doing that in are daily lives both professionally and socially.

KilledSoul
09-20-23, 00:25
Ted's 2 month experience (he has SBs in MDE and Sao Paulo) http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2767316&viewfull=1#post2767316.

My read from his experience: get a hotel, have low expectations and have backups of backups haha.Thanks Foolish for linking Ted's post. A monger better stick to Colombia and Brazil instead of dealing with crazy Argies.

DramaFree11
09-20-23, 03:03
Thanks Foolish for linking Ted's post. A monger better stick to Colombia and Brazil instead of dealing with crazy Argies.Sorry, if you have any standards you will probably hate Colombia, especially MDE. Bogota is definitely better. If you want to talk about bad food and service, MDE is at the top for me, just horrible.

Elvis 2008
09-20-23, 04:26
What makes you believe that? The world is changing, and it has changed a lot post-Covid. Nothing works forever.It was harder in the USA from 2014 to 2018 than Colombia is now. If I got two responses in a month, that was good.


I think I already posted about it, but a few weeks ago I messaged every attractive girl that has been online recently or is new on SA. Maybe 40-50 girls total. Probably 10 responded. 8 out of 10 would quote a price rate away. The remaining 2 didn't, however they were either very slow to respond or not available to meet, or a combination of both. So, in the end I have zero candidates to work with, if I ditch the ones who quoted me a price. Time is wasted, and if I don't entertain pros, I'm leaving MDE with a pair of blue balls.MB, I have been with my gal for 2 and a half years. Still, I have 20+ women in the 7 to 9 range in Colombia that I could text and they would see me pronto. On top of that, I have like 200 numbers total on whatsapp from seeking women and I saw one in five of these women at most. I wouldn't even have to go on the site to get or date new / strange. There is no way in Colombia I could ever have blue balls.

And you have been in Colombia way longer looking than I have. How come I have these numbers and you do not? The only thing I can come up with is that you are completely short term focused throwing out the good thinking the next one is going to be better. Honestly, the next one usually is not better than the last good one.

And when you have the good, sometimes the women volunteer up a GF or I will ask if she has a friend and is up for a trio. Some of the hottest women and best fucks I ever had were the friends of the women I had previously seen.

MiamiBoy1
09-20-23, 16:10
It was harder in the USA from 2014 to 2018 than Colombia is now. If I got two responses in a month, that was good.

MB, I have been with my gal for 2 and a half years. Still, I have 20+ women in the 7 to 9 range in Colombia that I could text and they would see me pronto. On top of that, I have like 200 numbers total on whatsapp from seeking women and I saw one in five of these women at most. I wouldn't even have to go on the site to get or date new / strange. There is no way in Colombia I could ever have blue balls.

And you have been in Colombia way longer looking than I have. How come I have these numbers and you do not? The only thing I can come up with is that you are completely short term focused throwing out the good thinking the next one is going to be better. Honestly, the next one usually is not better than the last good one.

And when you have the good, sometimes the women volunteer up a GF or I will ask if she has a friend and is up for a trio. Some of the hottest women and best fucks I ever had were the friends of the women I had previously seen.No, I'm not short term focused, I'm actually quite opposite. I prefer to have a roster of decent girls so that I don't have to start everything from scratch every time I come down there. The best time for me was 2020 and a year after, I had 4-5 good girls in rotation. But here is the problem. Good girls don't last long, they either get snatched by someone, or move to a better place / country, or just quit SA and pursue other goals. There is no way for me to keep these arrangements going for 2-3+ years. Heck, some even change phone numbers and delete social media without letting me know, I have lost many contacts this way. So, for me personally, this is not about finding the next girl that is hotter or better, this is about replacing them due to the reasons above. I'm sure they play the same game you are talking about and are always in search for a better SD. Once they find one, you get replaced.

BTW, I can guarantee that the vast majority of your 200 WhatsApp contacts are no longer available, and some numbers have been changed.

MiamiBoy1
09-20-23, 16:14
Has anybody been there and used Seeking? How is the dating scene?

I know it may be more dangerous than Colombia, and harder to get to, but I would like to give it a try someday, it is definitely off the beaten path and is not full of gringos. Venezuelan girls are good looking too.

Aureliano16
09-20-23, 16:19
Has anybody been there and used Seeking? How is the dating scene?

I know it may be more dangerous than Colombia, and harder to get to, but I would like to give it a try someday, it is definitely off the beaten path and is not full of gringos. Venezuelan girls are good looking too.The thing is, after the economic "miracle" of the left government, most good looking Venezuelan women are in Colombia (or other countries) already.

The biggest pro, as you said, is that being perceived as more dangerous than Colombia and not being full of gringos might make it as a very cheap destination for mongering. And well, good looking women are turning 18 every day, so there might be still some left in Venezuela.

AluHut
09-21-23, 13:45
Ok, so nothing else was coming up so I decided to have a dinner with that girl that was "no sex on a first date, I need connection, etc". We agreed on time and place and then she said she expected a gift. I asked what kind of gift and she said "400 in an envelope". I told her straight away I won't do that uprfont, and defineteley not if there is no intimacy. Her reply was predictable and pathetic "other men do that, so I guess we don't match". End of story.

I also wrote to few interesting girl in Montenegro where I'm going on a vacation soon, and nobody replied. Yeah, that's actually worse than "normal" dating apps so far.

The Cane
09-21-23, 14:47
Ok, so nothing else was coming up so I decided to have a dinner with that girl that was "no sex on a first date, I need connection, etc". We agreed on time and place and then she said she expected a gift. I asked what kind of gift and she said "400 in an envelope". I told her straight away I won't do that upfront, and definitely not if there is no intimacy. Her reply was predictable and pathetic "other men do that, so I guess we don't match". End of story.I'm glad you didn't pay her ass shit. If she's attractive enough, then there's no telling how much money she's taken from men while looking for a "connection" (and eating and drinking for free on their dime), when in fact, she had no intention of fucking ever. You tell her, "Well, I'm not other men. I'm my own man". For the short period of time I was on Seeking, I made it clear that I would not pay out a "gift" or "allowance" over a get-to-know meeting. Not under any circumstances. And if the girl wasn't down with that because that's what's other men did, or for whatever reason, then she could go find another sucker (I mean man) then!

AmericanPi
09-21-23, 14:58
Has anybody been there and used Seeking? How is the dating scene?

I know it may be more dangerous than Colombia, and harder to get to, but I would like to give it a try someday, it is definitely off the beaten path and is not full of gringos. Venezuelan girls are good looking too.I had the same thought a few days ago. But I looked at the state department website. It's one of only a handful of countries, the US has issued a level 4 warning for. It's in bad company. Some of the other countries are like Sudan, Somalia, Iran, North Korea, etc. I immediately noped that.

MiamiBoy1
09-21-23, 16:18
I had the same thought a few days ago. But I looked at the state department website. It's one of only a handful of countries, the US has issued a level 4 warning for. It's in bad company. Some of the other countries are like Sudan, Somalia, Iran, North Korea, etc. I immediately noped that.I did some research, gave it a second thought and decided to pass, it's just not worth it. I would rather do Buenos Aires, at least the girls there do respond on Seeking. And even message me first, which is a good indicator.

AmericanPi
09-21-23, 19:13
I did some research, gave it a second thought and decided to pass, it's just not worth it. I would rather do Buenos Aires, at least the girls there do respond on Seeking. And even message me first, which is a good indicator.Hard American currency is so strong there right now. I bet you are going to be shooting fish in a barrel.

AluHut
09-21-23, 21:10
I'm glad you didn't pay her ass shit. If she's attractive enough, then there's no telling how much money she's taken from men while looking for a "connection" (and eating and drinking for free on their dime), when in fact, she had no intention of fucking ever. You tell her, "Well, I'm not other men. I'm my own man". For the short period of time I was on Seeking, I made it clear that I would not pay out a "gift" or "allowance" over a get-to-know meeting. Not under any circumstances. And if the girl wasn't down with that because that's what's other men did, or for whatever reason, then she could go find another sucker (I mean man) then!There is is a lot high paying US guys here, for them that probably would be a steal. But I live here more than 5 years, and know the local market. She's not paying any taxes on that (unlike pros) so that's ridiculous rate for a dinner date without sex. It smelled from the start. Claim of genuine connection, but zero effort to maintain communication, and few other reddish flags. The worst part was this stupid attempt to pressure me by comparing to other men. WTF, who does she thinks she deals with, her 25 year old BF back in Poland?

Steve 9696
09-21-23, 21:57
Sarah is a whip smart pocket rocket half African and half Italian. We'the clicked at our first dinner a year ago and spent the weekend together in London spooning in my tiny twin bed. She's an amazing girl to hang with but the sex was a bit hit or Miss, given her extraordinarily tiny pussy and my girth. And her BJ was a bit meh but I really like this girl.

After spending several days together in the Mediterranean I saw her again in London one night and she was kinda lazy and wanted to watch Netflix and order in. Boo. So I ghosted her.

Gen Z are so sensitive with texting. After me not responding to two texts she deletes her acct and all my contact info! Fast forward to July and I get a CashApp for 1£ saying she misses me. Awwwwww. Clever girl. So after spending a few bucks in CashApp conversation LOL we reconnect. I decide to go full on honesty with her and tell her why I ghosted her. Good move because we reconnected this week in person and it was great.

First day was sightseeing and what fun with a girl in her local city. Lovely dinner. Lovely sex (she missed me alot!) and of course she's staying the next couple days. A couple highlights. First is that I gave her a bit of BJ coaching how to do harmonica. She may have seemed mildly offended but then took to it like a duck to water, blowing me forever and saying "god I love sucking your dick". Luv that. Def recommend doing a bit of BJ coaching. Wish I'the done it earlier. Don't be shy these girls aren't pros. I remember I did it with Alex back in 2019 and she gives a mind blowing BJ now.

Second highlight had nothing to do with sex! We went dancing at a gay club in London called Heaven. If you are a serious homophobe you might want to open your mind a little bit. I opened mine back with Thifany in the club in 2018 and twice went to gay clubs w my girl in tow since. It's an amazing free vibing party and it's completely harmless. Way more fun than the straight clubs. No one's going to try to fuck you in the ass. It's just a lot of people having fun. The one we went to is called Heaven and it was off the hook on a Monday! High recommend. We danced for 4. 5 hours straight I shit you not. I remember with Thifany that we ate like pigs but danced like idiots and I lost four pounds. Would not be surprised if the Steve Dance Diet worked its magic again!

Anyhow morale if the story: don't be afraid to:

Reconnect with your girl.

Coach on BJ.

Push outside your comfort zone.

Big payoffs all around. Have fun fellas!

Steve 9696
09-21-23, 22:08
There is is a lot high paying US guys here, for them that probably would be a steal. But I live here more than 5 years, and know the local market. She's not paying any taxes on that (unlike pros) so that's ridiculous rate for a dinner date without sex. It smelled from the start. Claim of genuine connection, but zero effort to maintain communication, and few other reddish flags. The worst part was this stupid attempt to pressure me by comparing to other men. WTF, who does she thinks she deals with, her 25 year old BF back in Poland?Yeah def recommend not doing the coffee date even unpaid. I did it once successfully but prob five fails and swore off it. And never ever ever a platonic dinner date. Dinner date with wine and take it to the room. Only sure fire method.

DramaFree11
09-22-23, 16:44
Yeah def recommend not doing the coffee date even unpaid. I did it once successfully but prob five fails and swore off it. And never ever ever a platonic dinner date. Dinner date with wine and take it to the room. Only sure fire method.Yep, in America Lunch dates are a huge waste of time. I do however do many lunch dates in Mexico. They know the deal and are ready for some afternoon delight.

AmericanPi
09-23-23, 01:10
Yeah def recommend not doing the coffee date even unpaid. I did it once successfully but prob five fails and swore off it. And never ever ever a platonic dinner date. Dinner date with wine and take it to the room. Only sure fire method.I only did a paid MG once. I normally do dinner plus after. Did it because girl wanted to meet to make sure comfortable before a real date. She was super smoking hot so I acquiesced. Offered 100 dollars. Figured I'the start strong to close the deal.

Within a few minutes I could tell she just showed up to clock that Benjamin and leave. It was obvious. I still paid because it was the agreement but I knew I'the been had within a few minutes. It was in the air.

DramaFree11
09-23-23, 04:00
I only did a paid MG once. I normally do dinner plus after. Did it because girl wanted to meet to make sure comfortable before a real date. She was super smoking hot so I acquiesced. Offered 100 dollars. Figured I'the start strong to close the deal.

Within a few minutes I could tell she just showed up to clock that Benjamin and leave. It was obvious. I still paid because it was the agreement but I knew I'the been had within a few minutes. It was in the air.Bad move, never pay unless there is intimacy.

Steve 9696
09-23-23, 16:28
Bad move, never pay unless there is intimacy.Yeah from what I see Pi is pretty experienced now. But we all make rookie mistakes starting out with Seeking. And the paid for meetup is def always a scam. The other common scams to watch for:

1. Can't wait to meet up. Let me send you some pics for $xx in the meantime.

2. Really love chatting with you. Can't wait to meet up. Damn I didn't have lunch can you CashApp me some pizza money?

3. I'm on my way but damn I ran out of gas. Can you CashApp me $40?

I've run into all of these. Mostly early on. The last one is the most frustrating. I was literally at the restaurant when she pulled that shit. Older and wiser now.

Voodoo Jones
09-23-23, 16:36
Yeah from what I see Pi is pretty experienced now. But we all make rookie mistakes starting out with Seeking. And the paid for meetup is def always a scam. The other common scams to watch for:

1. Can't wait to meet up. Let me send you some pics for $xx in the meantime.

2. Really love chatting with you. Can't wait to meet up. Damn I didn't have lunch can you CashApp me some pizza money?

3. I'm on my way but damn I ran out of gas. Can you CashApp me $40?

I've run into all of these. Mostly early on. The last one is the most frustrating. I was literally at the restaurant when she pulled that shit. Older and wiser now.One of them tried to pull that on me the other day. First said she needed me to send money for the taxi. I told her I would send an Uber. She says no because she had a bad experience with that in the past with other men. OK, I'll pay for the taxi in cash upon arrival. Again that was a problem. I told her I don't have any Colombian cash applications to send money. She has PayPal, but I had already scheduled someone else and told her I couldn't meet.

She immediately replies asking if I could send her some money upfront because she hasn't been eating well and needs to pay her rent. I told her because our PayPal accounts are in different countries, it would take at least a week and up to a month to clear, so it would be faster to meet and pay her in cash. She says something like "that's ok because they will give me time if I show them the money pending in her account". I didn't reply and deleted her contact.

The Cane
09-23-23, 16:38
Yeah from what I see Pi is pretty experienced now. But we all make rookie mistakes starting out with Seeking. And the paid for meetup is def always a scam. The other common scams to watch for:

1. Can't wait to meet up. Let me send you some pics for $xx in the meantime.

2. Really love chatting with you. Can't wait to meet up. Damn I didn't have lunch can you CashApp me some pizza money?

3. I'm on my way but damn I ran out of gas. Can you CashApp me $40?

I've run into all of these. Mostly early on. The last one is the most frustrating. I was literally at the restaurant when she pulled that shit. Older and wiser now.I got hit with a variant of your no. 3. It wasn't that they had ran out of gas, but wanted to stop at the gas station along the way to get some. I just laughed it off and said "nice try", then enjoyed my dinner. Then a fourth scam is getting hit up for babysitter money at the last minute. Guys, never go for these bullshit scams. Because if you do, you'll never see the scammer, nor your money ever again.

Gfefan
09-23-23, 18:45
In the US, add things like.

- Oh, I need to find a sitter for my grandparents / kids during the time I am woth you. Mind sending $xx?

- Constant reminder that phone dies frequently (aka get me an iPhone).

- I wish I had airpods. I could talk to you while at work / school.

Normally, I treat girls with respect. And that is when magic happens.

But, I must admit I am at my rude best in the US. I figured I got nothing to lose with these platinum pussies. So, once I reaponded "you will get airpods in your ears when you take my dick in your pussy. If you have one, that is".

I felt bad after but hell. These "women" have got on my nerves.


Yeah from what I see Pi is pretty experienced now. But we all make rookie mistakes starting out with Seeking. And the paid for meetup is def always a scam. The other common scams to watch for:

1. Can't wait to meet up. Let me send you some pics for $xx in the meantime.

2. Really love chatting with you. Can't wait to meet up. Damn I didn't have lunch can you CashApp me some pizza money?

3. I'm on my way but damn I ran out of gas. Can you CashApp me $40?

I've run into all of these. Mostly early on. The last one is the most frustrating. I was literally at the restaurant when she pulled that shit. Older and wiser now.

Voodoo Jones
09-24-23, 15:13
Today's my last day in Bogota. I hooked up with 2 new women from Seeking this week (in addition to my regular one I met last year). The sex is better compared to the average escort, but when you do find an escort who gives great service and makes you want to repeat the next day, it makes you wonder if it's still work the effort and additional expense to keep searching for new Seeking women to add to the roster.

I'll be in Cartagena this week with my Bogota regular and will probably try to meet at least a new one when she leaves midway through my stay.

I also have 2. 5 regulars in Medellin I will see after that, though I'm not too sure about the. 5 one because she doesn't stay as long as my main 2. I might try to replace her with one or two new ones from Seeking, but I just started on that search today.

What I like about my 1 regular in Bogota and 2 regulars in Medellin is that we can chill for most of the day or I could go on trips with them without the primary focus being sex (though of course we do have sex). The familiarity is great, but sometimes you just want to have a quick session with someone new in between like an escort. The contrast between the two keeps things interesting during trips. Having too many Seeking women doesn't seem like a great return on money especially because you're not going to click with all of them on the same level as the ones you want to keep.

Gfefan
09-24-23, 19:57
Agree with the point of view.

A different dynamic when there comes a certain trust element and bareback comes in to play. I have a couple regular escorts with whom I have great chemistry and go see them just to see them. But never went bareback.

With seeking girls, those that are next door girl types, barebacking is what I pay the pemium for.

Even better if CIP / CIM are thrown in to the mix.

You know. Showering together, she puts soap on me, I on her, junior is ready, she is wet. I don't have to look for condoms. Slide it in and fuck in the shower.

I was with a 9 (will add pic later) in Spain. Seafacing balcony, we both enjoying some rose, things heat up, she is playing with my dick and then settles between my legs. While I am still on the lounge, gives me a fabulous blowjob, and says "You are so hard. I want this inside me" and goes on to straddle me (still in the same position), lifts her skirt, pushes her panty yo side, takes me all the way in. Rides me till I cum inside her, collapses on me with heavy breathing (I'm sucking her nipples), and then, with the dick still inside we go "cheers" and drink wine.

That is what I pay the premium for. When I say premium. These are 300 EUR over night girls.


Today's my last day in Bogota. I hooked up with 2 new women from Seeking this week (in addition to my regular one I met last year). The sex is better compared to the average escort, but when you do find an escort who gives great service and makes you want to repeat the next day, it makes you wonder if it's still work the effort and additional expense to keep searching for new Seeking women to add to the roster.

I'll be in Cartagena this week with my Bogota regular and will probably try to meet at least a new one when she leaves midway through my stay.

I also have 2. 5 regulars in Medellin I will see after that, though I'm not too sure about the. 5 one because she doesn't stay as long as my main 2. I might try to replace her with one or two new ones from Seeking, but I just started on that search today.

What I like about my 1 regular in Bogota and 2 regulars in Medellin is that we can chill for most of the day or I could go on trips with them without the primary focus being sex (though of course we do have sex). The familiarity is great, but sometimes you just want to have a quick session with someone new in between like an escort. The contrast between the two keeps things interesting during trips. Having too many Seeking women doesn't seem like a great return on money especially because you're not going to click with all of them on the same level as the ones you want to keep.

Gfefan
09-25-23, 23:45
Here is the balcony girl.

We have had quite a few exhilarating (s) experiences but the balcony fuck takes the cake because it was so impromptu, so organic, so into each other that it felt heavenly.


Agree with the point of view.

A different dynamic when there comes a certain trust element and bareback comes in to play. I have a couple regular escorts with whom I have great chemistry and go see them just to see them. But never went bareback.

With seeking girls, those that are next door girl types, barebacking is what I pay the pemium for.

Even better if CIP / CIM are thrown in to the mix.

You know. Showering together, she puts soap on me, I on her, junior is ready, she is wet. I don't have to look for condoms. Slide it in and fuck in the shower.

I was with a 9 (will add pic later) in Spain. Seafacing balcony, we both enjoying some rose, things heat up, she is playing with my dick and then settles between my legs. While I am still on the lounge, gives me a fabulous blowjob, and says "You are so hard. I want this inside me" and goes on to straddle me (still in the same position), lifts her skirt, pushes her panty yo side, takes me all the way in. Rides me till I cum inside her, collapses on me with heavy breathing (I'm sucking her nipples), and then, with the dick still inside we go "cheers" and drink wine.

That is what I pay the premium for. When I say premium. These are 300 EUR over night girls.

Steve 9696
09-27-23, 02:49
I know this is a question for USA but I am not known there. So coming to my buddies here. Seems LA hs a lively Kgirl scene. Maybe booked directly but seems you need a recommendation or a handler. There is also KTV but unsure how to locate a girls KTV vs family place. My friend speaks Korean so that should help.

Anyone have any intel or pointers? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to spill the tea here. Thanks!

AluHut
09-27-23, 14:11
Here is the balcony girl.

We have had quite a few exhilarating (s) experiences but the balcony fuck takes the cake because it was so impromptu, so organic, so into each other that it felt heavenly.I'm so envious. So far my SA experience in Frankfurt has been awful. Half of the girls just don't reply at all, unfortunatley those are the ones I like most from the photos. Those that reply don't really stand out in anything. Or conversation dies after a day or two. One girl from Montengro (going for vacation soon) just blocked me after I've sent her a reminder after I noticed she read my message. It feels exactly like more expensive Tinder, LOL. I also get unsolicited contacts, but those girls are just young bimbos or semi-pros, so hard skip on them.

Steve 9696
09-27-23, 14:48
I'm so envious. So far my SA experience in Frankfurt has been awful. Half of the girls just don't reply at all, unfortunatley those are the ones I like most from the photos. Those that reply don't really stand out in anything. Or conversation dies after a day or two. One girl from Montengro (going for vacation soon) just blocked me after I've sent her a reminder after I noticed she read my message. It feels exactly like more expensive Tinder, LOL. I also get unsolicited contacts, but those girls are just young bimbos or semi-pros, so hard skip on them.Yep. It's a tough go. But so worth it once you find the gem in the pile of bullshit. Never done Frankfurt tho on Seeking. What other geographies have you tried?

Itís not surprising half donít reply. Thatís standard even for experienced guys. Itís a number game. U gotta be on all the time and working it.

P.S. How's your text game? Are u Reasonably non objectionable and fit? Do u end every interaction with a question to keep the game flowing? Where do you think the drop off is?

Gfefan
09-28-23, 04:25
Text game is an interesting point.

So far, I haven't had a problem but recently, I had two extremes.

Two girls. Worth it and repeatable. We met, great chemistry, decent sex, not money oriented. So, wanted to meet them a few more times and see if they are worth moving into my Top tier (the ones I give money even without sex).

One of them told me "Its a little difficult and you seem less connected".

Other one, for all practical purposes, told me I am texting a lot.

Mind you. Both of them are more like once a week or fortnight, few texts to stay in touch. Same levelmof attention and being cautious that they have their own lives. So, I don't get desperate and message a lot.

How do you figure what is optimal for a given girl and any tips on how to hit that sweet spot?


Yep. It's a tough go. But so worth it once you find the gem in the pile of bullshit. Never done Frankfurt tho on Seeking. What other geographies have you tried?

Its not surprising half dont reply. Thats standard even for experienced guys. Its a number game. U gotta be on all the time and working it.

P.S. How's your text game? Are u Reasonably non objectionable and fit? Do u end every interaction with a question to keep the game flowing? Where do you think the drop off is?

FilthyBeaver
09-28-23, 05:30
Impossible to answer. There are as many answers as there are girls in the world. My longest term girl NEVER texted. Only to set a date. I met a Dr in an Eastern European country who would text for hours and it only worked for me because 1) she was interesting and 2) I own the business so I can goof off as much as I want. That time difference really worked well for us.

You need to follow her lead, if she texts you text, if not, you don't it's that simple. Forcing it in either direction is going to turn her off.


Text game is an interesting point.

So far, I haven't had a problem but recently, I had two extremes.

Two girls. Worth it and repeatable. We met, great chemistry, decent sex, not money oriented. So, wanted to meet them a few more times and see if they are worth moving into my Top tier (the ones I give money even without sex).

One of them told me "Its a little difficult and you seem less connected".

Other one, for all practical purposes, told me I am texting a lot.

Mind you. Both of them are more like once a week or fortnight, few texts to stay in touch. Same levelmof attention and being cautious that they have their own lives. So, I don't get desperate and message a lot.

How do you figure what is optimal for a given girl and any tips on how to hit that sweet spot?

FilthyBeaver
09-28-23, 05:35
I posted about my experiences in Germany previously but it is possible and you are correct about the difficulty. Nabbed actual German girls in two cities and a Spanish girl in another city. Had plans to meet with 1 or two others as backups but they all flaked (they were not German either so I didn't lose any sleep, I wanted the Germans).

Still in touch with one but the other one is upset with me after not giving her an outrageous sum for joining me here at home, and being open and honest about my experiences on the site.


I'm so envious. So far my SA experience in Frankfurt has been awful. Half of the girls just don't reply at all, unfortunatley those are the ones I like most from the photos. Those that reply don't really stand out in anything. Or conversation dies after a day or two. One girl from Montengro (going for vacation soon) just blocked me after I've sent her a reminder after I noticed she read my message. It feels exactly like more expensive Tinder, LOL. I also get unsolicited contacts, but those girls are just young bimbos or semi-pros, so hard skip on them.

AmericanPi
09-28-23, 15:12
Anyone done sugaring in Budapest? It seems like it's thin out there on SA and I can't seem to get a payment thru on what seems like a local variant Punc.

Anyone had any luck or tips to penetrate the sugar trade there? .

Gfefan
09-28-23, 21:11
I like this idea. Mirror their behavior is what you are saying essentially.


Impossible to answer. There are as many answers as there are girls in the world. My longest term girl NEVER texted. Only to set a date. I met a Dr in an Eastern European country who would text for hours and it only worked for me because 1) she was interesting and 2) I own the business so I can goof off as much as I want. That time difference really worked well for us.

You need to follow her lead, if she texts you text, if not, you don't it's that simple. Forcing it in either direction is going to turn her off.

Gfefan
09-28-23, 21:15
Not intending to poke here. Please don't feel compelled to answer.

"Joining me at home" = Joining in US? If yes, how do you manage / coach her on "purpose of visit" at entry?

My favorite regulars are in Europe and I am not flying them here just being cautious. Have always wondered if I am being paranoid or cautious.


I posted about my experiences in Germany previously but it is possible and you are correct about the difficulty. Nabbed actual German girls in two cities and a Spanish girl in another city. Had plans to meet with 1 or two others as backups but they all flaked (they were not German either so I didn't lose any sleep, I wanted the Germans).

Still in touch with one but the other one is upset with me after not giving her an outrageous sum for joining me here at home, and being open and honest about my experiences on the site.

Gfefan
09-29-23, 21:56
I will be in Frankfurt mid-Nov. Trying to have my Spain girl foy in the same day. If she is able to join, I am busy with her.

If not, I have Sharks or Oase as backup options. Been really long while since I hit FKK. Happy to hang out there if any of you would like to.


I'm so envious. So far my SA experience in Frankfurt has been awful. Half of the girls just don't reply at all, unfortunatley those are the ones I like most from the photos. Those that reply don't really stand out in anything. Or conversation dies after a day or two. One girl from Montengro (going for vacation soon) just blocked me after I've sent her a reminder after I noticed she read my message. It feels exactly like more expensive Tinder, LOL. I also get unsolicited contacts, but those girls are just young bimbos or semi-pros, so hard skip on them.

FilthyBeaver
09-30-23, 05:38
But I'll also add then when we were together it was always fireworks, beautiful girl, never ran out if stuff to talk about (both of us) and we'd blab for hours. I ended up chasing her away and I was overcome with emotion and heartbroken for several months. Cost me a very expensive car, almost my life, and a bottle of Glenfidich Gran Cru. Not the proudest moment in my like but it was as real as it gets with someone and I was devastated. I'm still punishing myself for loosing her. And she's the only reason I keep returning to the site but it's futile she was one of a kind for me.


I like this idea. Mirror their behavior is what you are saying essentially.

FilthyBeaver
09-30-23, 05:48
Yes, expensive US coastal city. She didn't need a visa but the second part of your question is easy. They cut a lot of slack to Schengen countries, especially a rich one like Germany. She can tell them she's coming to see her boyfriend that she met in FRA.

I think you're being paranoid, if they are from a developed / wealthy country with a high standard of living they won't have problems. If you educate yourself on the laws which are all on the dhs website they even tell you want strategies will work within the confines of existing law. E. g. Did you know that if you don't want to wait for a fiance to bring a girl here she can come in as a tourist (with some hopes to jump through. You go to the courthouse, get married and immediately change her status from tourist to permanent resident and it is 100% legal. If you just want to bang a hot 20 yr old with no assets or job and in a less developed country you'll have problems but insurmountable.


Not intending to poke here. Please don't feel compelled to answer.

"Joining me at home" = Joining in US? If yes, how do you manage / coach her on "purpose of visit" at entry?

My favorite regulars are in Europe and I am not flying them here just being cautious. Have always wondered if I am being paranoid or cautious.

Steve 9696
09-30-23, 18:28
Yes, expensive US coastal city. She didn't need a visa but the second part of your question is easy. They cut a lot of slack to Schengen countries, especially a rich one like Germany. She can tell them she's coming to see her boyfriend that she met in FRA.

I think you're being paranoid, if they are from a developed / wealthy country with a high standard of living they won't have problems. If you educate yourself on the laws which are all on the dhs website they even tell you want strategies will work within the confines of existing law. E. g. Did you know that if you don't want to wait for a fiance to bring a girl here she can come in as a tourist (with some hopes to jump through. You go to the courthouse, get married and immediately change her status from tourist to permanent resident and it is 100% legal. If you just want to bang a hot 20 yr old with no assets or job and in a less developed country you'll have problems but insurmountable.Very timely discussion as I just sealed the deal to fly my UK SA girlfriend to US this morning! I am with you GFE about being a little paranoid. She's UK so like FB says prob not a big deal. But just the same I sent her money for the ticket and had her book it rather than me being on the record flying a foreigner to US (I've done it to other countries but US are such puritanical Jesus freaks didn't want to take any chances).

I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.

DevSagar
10-02-23, 04:10
I traveled to Budapest and Prague in 2019. Yes, I did bang one chick in Budapest during my stay there as I was there for an international conference. Her allowance was 200 Euro for a 4/5 hour meet. She was around 35. I liked her pic and started chatting with her around 2 weeks before my arrival. It was a very nice experience with her and we were in touch before she got married and shifted to another European country. I also met a chick in Starbucks over a coffee date early morning before she went for college. She was a student from Georgia doing masters in Budapest University. Slim, trim, beautiful and good knowledge of English but couldn't get her laid as our schedules didn't align.

The SA scene is very much active and vibrant in Budapest. I had plans to go again before this pandemic screwed all plans.

Regards.


Anyone done sugaring in Budapest? It seems like it's thin out there on SA and I can't seem to get a payment thru on what seems like a local variant Punc.

Anyone had any luck or tips to penetrate the sugar trade there? .

Voodoo Jones
10-02-23, 17:03
This one woman from Bogota mentioned in her profile that she doesn't go on dates for free. I assumed this was just her being coy meaning she doesn't have sex for free, but nope, when I messaged her, it was clear she wanted me to pay just to see her without any talk of going back to my apartment. I left her last message on unread. If she was being this ridiculous before we even met, I already knew it would be a bad experience where she's asking for an excessive amount. Besides, she doesn't speak English and my Spanish is lacking, so what the fuck would be the point? I have no problem conversing through translation apps, but I'm not paying for conversation.

Today as I was unsharing my private photos with the women I didn't go through with, I noticed she deleted that part from her profile. Guess she couldn't find an easy mark to pay for her the privilege of her shitty company.

Gfefan
10-02-23, 18:34
Sweet.

Yeah, most of them say "yes" when there is a chemistry going on and positioned appropriately. Saves money for us, gives experience to them, and a great company for each other both in and outside bedroom. Win-win all around.

(some of them will otherwise never get to see the places I took them to. Meaning not fancy places but out of beaten path places such as a hiking place in Switzerland.).



I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.

FilthyBeaver
10-03-23, 04:20
As I've said before, I never agree to pay for a first meeting. I've also found that most of the girls who ask for such a thing don't last long. They either delete their profiles altogether or go inactive. The thought of paying a girl for her time is laughable, my time is far more valuable than hers and she has way more to lose than I do (a regular reliable SD). Frankly if they don't know that or can't figure it out, they are going to be way to dull to have anything other than a sexual relationship with and I want a little more than that. I'm not remotely misogynistic though this post may have come across that way.

The other type that amuses me is they ask "what are you offering?" Within the first few messages. I'm not offering shit until I know I stand to be in a room with you for more than 10 min. These are prostitutes that have convinced themselves they're not prostitutes. BTW I have no issue with them, used them plenty of times but that's not why I pay almost 300/ mo to meet these girls. My best relationships have all been ones where money was discussed after we decided we didn't weird each other out (in person).


This one woman from Bogota mentioned in her profile that she doesn't go on dates for free. I assumed this was just her being coy meaning she doesn't have sex for free, but nope, when I messaged her, it was clear she wanted me to pay just to see her without any talk of going back to my apartment. I left her last message on unread. If she was being this ridiculous before we even met, I already knew it would be a bad experience where she's asking for an excessive amount. Besides, she doesn't speak English and my Spanish is lacking, so what the fuck would be the point? I have no problem conversing through translation apps, but I'm not paying for conversation.

Today as I was unsharing my private photos with the women I didn't go through with, I noticed she deleted that part from her profile. Guess she couldn't find an easy mark to pay for her the privilege of her shitty company.

The Cane
10-03-23, 23:07
This one woman from Bogota mentioned in her profile that she doesn't go on dates for free. I assumed this was just her being coy meaning she doesn't have sex for free, but nope, when I messaged her, it was clear she wanted me to pay just to see her without any talk of going back to my apartment. I left her last message on unread. If she was being this ridiculous before we even met, I already knew it would be a bad experience where she's asking for an excessive amount. Besides, she doesn't speak English and my Spanish is lacking, so what the fuck would be the point? I have no problem conversing through translation apps, but I'm not paying for conversation.

Today as I was unsharing my private photos with the women I didn't go through with, I noticed she deleted that part from her profile. Guess she couldn't find an easy mark to pay for her the privilege of her shitty company.I was thinking back the other day on some of the funny exchanges I had on Seeking. I remember one woman saying to me that I couldn't afford her. I thought, "Now isn't this some bullshit? Here she is with her panties down and hand out talking about what somebody else can and cannot afford"! LOLOLOL! I mean these American women with their "platinum pussy" and "golden asshole" attitudes! By the way, anybody seen the new main page yet? Shit makes me literally laugh out loud LOL! So, that's how it works huh? Please LMAO!

JonnySutton
10-04-23, 12:37
Very timely discussion as I just sealed the deal to fly my UK SA girlfriend to US this morning! I am with you GFE about being a little paranoid. She's UK so like FB says prob not a big deal. But just the same I sent her money for the ticket and had her book it rather than me being on the record flying a foreigner to US (I've done it to other countries but US are such puritanical Jesus freaks didn't want to take any chances).

I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.I'm from the UK and use Seeking. It's great over here. So is there a reason you chose someone thousands of miles away v a local in the USA? And have you actually met her before you paid to fly her out. Isn't that risky? Never done that myself.

JonnySutton
10-04-23, 12:45
Agree with the point of view.

A different dynamic when there comes a certain trust element and bareback comes in to play. I have a couple regular escorts with whom I have great chemistry and go see them just to see them. But never went bareback.

With seeking girls, those that are next door girl types, barebacking is what I pay the pemium for.

Even better if CIP / CIM are thrown in to the mix.

You know. Showering together, she puts soap on me, I on her, junior is ready, she is wet. I don't have to look for condoms. Slide it in and fuck in the shower.

I was with a 9 (will add pic later) in Spain. Seafacing balcony, we both enjoying some rose, things heat up, she is playing with my dick and then settles between my legs. While I am still on the lounge, gives me a fabulous blowjob, and says "You are so hard. I want this inside me" and goes on to straddle me (still in the same position), lifts her skirt, pushes her panty yo side, takes me all the way in. Rides me till I cum inside her, collapses on me with heavy breathing (I'm sucking her nipples), and then, with the dick still inside we go "cheers" and drink wine.

That is what I pay the premium for. When I say premium. These are 300 EUR over night girls.Interesting post. I've only ever done BB once with a Seeking girl bc I'm a bit paranoid about STIs etc. Being honest, how many girls from Seeking have you done BB with and did you ever catch anything? I really love the BB experience bc cumming with a condom is becoming increasingly difficult, and I'd never do BB with an escort (not that they offer) but with the normal Seeking girls it's really tempting.

JonnySutton
10-04-23, 12:49
Yep. It's a tough go. But so worth it once you find the gem in the pile of bullshit. Never done Frankfurt tho on Seeking. What other geographies have you tried?

Its not surprising half dont reply. Thats standard even for experienced guys. Its a number game. U gotta be on all the time and working it.

P.S. How's your text game? Are u Reasonably non objectionable and fit? Do u end every interaction with a question to keep the game flowing? Where do you think the drop off is?50% is my experience too, but with so so many girls to choose from on Seeking in places like London, Paris, Berlin, it doesn't matter, I'm only looking for one at a time. Never takes more than 10 days to line up a few meet and greets and go with one awesome girl. Usual ppm is 300-400 Euro / GBP, sometimes no ppm is even requested. Dates are min 4 hours and I choose women I want to get to know not just fuck.

AmericanPi
10-04-23, 19:41
Interesting post. I've only ever done BB once with a Seeking girl bc I'm a bit paranoid about STIs etc. Being honest, how many girls from Seeking have you done BB with and did you ever catch anything? I really love the BB experience bc cumming with a condom is becoming increasingly difficult, and I'd never do BB with an escort (not that they offer) but with the normal Seeking girls it's really tempting.With all respect, you are playing with fire.

This idea that city girls are just innocent college students who need a helping hand is nonsense. Those are out there. I've met a few. But I'm also really good conversationalist. Interviewing is an important part of my job. I'm telling you from experience, by the time a girl gets to the point that she's accepting money for sex, it's far from the first risky. Thing she's done. If you want to have an internal chuckle, ask the girls politely how much experience they have on the site and marvel at how many of them will tell you you are the first or second one, or that apart from a long-term relationship that ended, you are the first. At this point I just ask because I want to confirm I will be lied to.

And it's fine. I lie too. To mask myself. Its all a fiction.

Anyways, you're playing with fire. Some diseases are forever. And they're out there in big numbers. And for obvious reasons, the proportion is much higher amongst this population. If they're bare backing with you, have a little bit of humility, and realize that you are not the first one to ask or receive. And if the kind of people who ask for that are by definition, engaging in risky behavior, and are more likely to have forever gifts to give.

Rkumyah9823
10-05-23, 02:05
Since free members are only allowed 10 messages is it worth the time to message non premium members as they might not be able to reply to you. What is the best way rj go about this?

Steve 9696
10-05-23, 02:29
I'm from the UK and use Seeking. It's great over here. So is there a reason you chose someone thousands of miles away v a local in the USA? And have you actually met her before you paid to fly her out. Isn't that risky? Never done that myself.I would never ever fly someone I haven't met. We met about a year ago and spent the weekend together in London. Then flew her to the Mediterranean for a week. Then lost touch for 9 months. Then rekindled a few weeks back in London. So we have a bit of an ongoing thing. Plenty of girls in the states I coulda flown in, including my GF, but Sarah was really jazzed and we were taking the London momentum forward.

Whereas I won't fly a girl I don't know I am pretty ballsy about flying girls I have only known a few hours. It backfired once but has generally been great. Here's what I recall. First number is how many HOURs we had known each other before I flew her someplace. These all were amazing.

Thifany 5 - Brazil to London (crazy!

Alexa 7 - La Vegas to Miami.

Mika 6- Philly to Dallas.

Sarah 32 - London to Mallorca.

Dayana 3 - Madrid to Athens.

I feel like once you vibe you vibe. So far so good, save one fail in 2019.

Elvis 2008
10-05-23, 06:01
She's UK so like FB says prob not a big deal. But just the same I sent her money for the ticket and had her book it rather than me being on the record flying a foreigner to US (I've done it to other countries but US are such puritanical Jesus freaks didn't want to take any chances).That is a good move Steve. It would be harder for someone to say you violated the Mann Act.


I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.I responded to a post with Miami Boy where I seemingly contradicted myself because there have been men's rights groups saying if your wife does not put out sexually, and you are the provider, you should leave your wife, and I agree with that. So I think it is important to let wifey know no sex means no money and no marriage.

But OTOH, I am saying try not to offer any money up front. To me, when the woman sees you without a price, it signifies she is interested in you and a long term relationship and is willing to give you a free sample to draw you in. Once a woman draws me in and I care about her, then I am going to want to financially take care of her. I also feel like I am helping and giving to someone who appreciates me versus some hooker who could care less about me and vice versa. And because I am giving money to someone I care about and feel good doing so, those women inevitably get more out of me than the cold hearted snake with a price.

One of the reasons I had sugar babies is that for some reason so many women think after three or so months that they do not have to put out. I saw this again and again so I kept sugar babies and if there was no sex, there was no $. It was not just no sex, but it was do I really want to be with someone if I have to ask for or demand sex from them? I thought and still think if a woman does not make having sex with her man a priority, then he is not a priority to her.

So the goal IMO is that she gives you sex because she cares about you, and you give her $ because you care about her.

One of the men's rights guys, Rich Cooper, researched the subject and said that desire from women in a marriage goes down much more quickly than with men. Once I heard that, I was like, "Fine, fuck it, I will just have sugar babies" and then I found a woman who likes sex as much if not more than I do. Life is so weird that way.

Elvis 2008
10-05-23, 13:41
Very timely discussion as I just sealed the deal to fly my UK SA girlfriend to US this morning! I am with you GFE about being a little paranoid. She's UK so like FB says prob not a big deal. But just the same I sent her money for the ticket and had her book it rather than me being on the record flying a foreigner to US (I've done it to other countries but US are such puritanical Jesus freaks didn't want to take any chances).Yeah, that is smart, Steve. The Mann Act is a pretty scary law and human trafficking is being listed as a threat to humanity in multiple airports around the world. Obviously, it was not meant for what you or I are and were doing, but you never know. It just takes one crazy prosecutor to ruin your life.


I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.Midwestern said in his experience the women who ask for less get more, and I noticed that too. I think it is because as a guy I felt appreciated when I gave money and cared about the woman. I felt like I was giving and helping and being appreciated versus paying an expense to a cold hearted snake.

And I wonder if the women who are willing to have sex without a price are more confident as well. They are in essence offering up a free sample and they know they are so good that you will come back for more. For me, it is a matter of pride to provide for the women I cared about, but I am not going to care about a woman solely interested in money.

I have been listening to the men's rights guys on youtube and in the past, they were women haters but now I am seeing more research based advice. Anyway, they were saying if you have a woman not putting out you dump her, and that includes a wife. Thing is when I dated I noticed that after three months women did not make fucking me a priority. I know you had one woman you told to make it a priority and she did, and I think guys should do that. Maybe that is all it takes. When I had my foursome adventure in Mexico, I told one of the women I didn't get off the night before, and she felt so badly, she apologized and dropped to her knees right then and sucked me off. LOL. Got to love those Latinas.

I just thought getting SBs was easier because I didn't have to tell them I needed sex. It was no sex, no $. I just felt weird saying, "Hey, you need to meet my sexual needs. " My preference would be that I care about the woman and provide her with money and she cares about me and provides sex, but I was really reluctant to give away my power of the purse again and the men's rights guys were saying women lose desire in a relationship much quicker than men do. So I was like "okay, then I guess I will just have sugar babies" where I do not give up my power because a real relationship will always mean less sex.

Of course, once I made up my mind about that, I found a woman who likes and needs sex more than I do. It is funny how life works.

Elvis 2008
10-05-23, 14:17
Interesting post. I've only ever done BB once with a Seeking girl bc I'm a bit paranoid about STIs etc. Being honest, how many girls from Seeking have you done BB with and did you ever catch anything? I really love the BB experience bc cumming with a condom is becoming increasingly difficult, and I'd never do BB with an escort (not that they offer) but with the normal Seeking girls it's really tempting.JS,

I said this before on the Medellin forum, and I will repeat it here. There is a belief among American public health officials that antibiotics and antivirals should be reserved for STI treatment and condoms used for prevention of STIs because if the antibiotics and antivirals are used, there will be bacterial resistance and these drugs will no longer work. I understood that but then I went abroad and saw that anyone could buy antibiotics and antivirals over the counter. I also read about how overused these same drugs are with animals. I was like, "Fuck it, if these work better, and I can have better sex, I am going for it. " The other big thing is I read a large study where condoms did not work for most STIs that came out 20 years ago. Now it is a monologue among public health officials that condoms work for STIs, and they have studies to back them up, but I am pretty skeptical of them.

So I had an antibiotic and antiviral regimen I would use when I barebacked a girl whom I thought was risky. I would ask the women if they were clean and do it in such a way that they could answer honestly. To prevent pregnancy, I used plan be which is 1.5 MG of the female hormone levogestrel which is also available over the counter even in the USA. The women were actually thankful when I gave it to them. A few of the women had cramping and bleeding afterwards and were reluctant to take it a second time so that was an issue with some. When I was with a woman for longer, I would buy a Depoprovera shot on line and give it to the women every 3 months. Again, most took it fine, and many liked not having periods but others had cramping and bleeding with it and did not like it.

Levogestrel prevents ovulation so you should have a woman take it as soon as after sex as possible. If the egg has been released into the Fallopian tube, it does no good at all. Still, pregnancy prevention rates with it are about the same as condoms.

I also got the Gardasil vaccine for HPV. I am not sure how effective that is with genital warts but I did not have any issues. Anyway, once I did my own research, I felt comfortable and eventually barebacked almost all my SBs. The only issue I had was a pregnancy scare on a woman who waited too long on the levogestrel.

[Deleted by Admin]. Condoms have issues too. The only way to be 100% safe is to abstain.

I am not recommending BB for anyone but if you are going to do it, I think there is a way to do it if not responsibly at least in a way to lower your risks of disease and pregnancy.

Steve 9696
10-05-23, 19:32
JS,

I said this before on the Medellin forum, and I will repeat it here. There is a belief among American public health officials that antibiotics and antivirals should be reserved for STI treatment and condoms used for prevention of STIs because if the antibiotics and antivirals are used, there will be bacterial resistance and these drugs will no longer work. I understood that but then I went abroad and saw that anyone could buy antibiotics and antivirals over the counter. I also read about how overused these same drugs are with animals. I was like, "Fuck it, if these work better, and I can have better sex, I am going for it. " The other big thing is I read a large study where condoms did not work for most STIs that came out 20 years ago. Now it is a monologue among public health officials that condoms work for STIs, and they have studies to back them up, but I am pretty skeptical of them.

So I had an antibiotic and antiviral regimen I would use when I barebacked a girl whom I thought was risky. I would ask the women if they were clean and do it in such a way that they could answer honestly. To prevent pregnancy, I used plan be which is 1.5 MG of the female hormone levogestrel which is also available over the counter even in the USA. The women were actually thankful when I gave it to them. A few of the women had cramping and bleeding afterwards and were reluctant to take it a second time so that was an issue with some. When I was with a woman for longer, I would buy a Depoprovera shot on line and give it to the women every 3 months. Again, most took it fine, and many liked not having periods but others had cramping and bleeding with it and did not like it.

Levogestrel prevents ovulation so you should have a woman take it as soon as after sex as possible. If the egg has been released into the Fallopian tube, it does no good at all. Still, pregnancy prevention rates with it are about the same as condoms.

I also got the Gardasil vaccine for HPV. I am not sure how effective that is with genital warts but I did not have any issues. Anyway, once I did my own research, I felt comfortable and eventually barebacked almost all my SBs. The only issue I had was a pregnancy scare on a woman who waited too long on the levogestrel.

Condoms have issues too. The only way to be 100% safe is to abstain.

I am not recommending BB for anyone but if you are going to do it, I think there is a way to do it if not responsibly at least in a way to lower your risks of disease and pregnancy.Just a word of warning to all that Depoprovera can profoundly affect sex drive. Shayla the sex goddess started taking it about six months ago and it totally changed her. She went from "instant on" and very affectionate to me having to kinda initiate sex in the old husband and wife approach. And her wetness went down dramatically too. So now it's gone from true can't get enough of each other sex to husband initiates with ambivalent wife sex. She's a good GF and wants to do her part but it feel's COMPLETELY different when I know it's one sided. It def could kill our relationship eventually as it's gotten rocky and this is def a contributing factor.

AmericanPi
10-05-23, 20:28
JS,

Condoms have issues too. The only way to be 100% safe is to abstain..Respectfully, that's just silly. This was never a question of 100% safe or nothing. It is always a calculus based on degrees of risk. If something decreases your risk profile 80%, 90%, 95%, choose your favorite number, it doesn't have to be 100 to be well worth doing.

SfoCowboy
10-06-23, 04:38
I was in Budapest a couple of days ago. Found a real hot chic, 8/10 types on Sa. A few more were messaging me non stop. Very active scene.

Cheers!


Anyone done sugaring in Budapest? It seems like it's thin out there on SA and I can't seem to get a payment thru on what seems like a local variant Punc.

Anyone had any luck or tips to penetrate the sugar trade there? .

AmericanPi
10-06-23, 06:03
I was in Budapest a couple of days ago. Found a real hot chic, 8/10 types on Sa. A few more were messaging me non stop. Very active scene.

Cheers!Tried to drop you a DM but it says your mailbox is full and you need to clear out some space. Just heads up.

JonnySutton
10-06-23, 13:03
Thanks for the reply.

You're right about condoms not being effective against all the STIs but so far after 20+ years of seeing escorts and SBs the worst I got was a fungal infection. Kinda painful BTW. And that was from a BBJ and not even sex. And most of us engage in BBJs I imagine.

I'm not so concerned about HIV. Hard to catch, pretty rare among women in the west at least. But HepB and HPV I really want to avoid. Are the vax effective against those I wonder? Most girls now have the HPV vax at around 13/14 in Europe / USA, but few have the HepB vax.

Pregnacies are a whole other issue. If you remember to pull out you're good. That's an 'if'! Or you know they're on effective prevention. But you can't 100% know that.


JS,

I said this before on the Medellin forum, and I will repeat it here. There is a belief among American public health officials that antibiotics and antivirals should be reserved for STI treatment and condoms used for prevention of STIs because if the antibiotics and antivirals are used, there will be bacterial resistance and these drugs will no longer work. I understood that but then I went abroad and saw that anyone could buy antibiotics and antivirals over the counter. I also read about how overused these same drugs are with animals. I was like, "Fuck it, if these work better, and I can have better sex, I am going for it. " The other big thing is I read a large study where condoms did not work for most STIs that came out 20 years ago. Now it is a monologue among public health officials that condoms work for STIs, and they have studies to back them up, but I am pretty skeptical of them..

Gfefan
10-06-23, 19:57
I have done about 13 to 15 girls from seeking. Mostly western Europe. A couple in the US. Have gone bareback with 7 or 8 of them. Note that 3 of those are my cream of the cream. We have moved to a friendship beyond sex / money.

So far, I haven't caught anything. I must say I am lucky. Frankly speaking. But, you may ask why no bareback with other 7 or 8. Simple. Just didn't feel right. And, not surprisingly, those did not last longer. Hardly one or two meets and done.

Do I think about STI. Yes. Am I worried? No as long as I do it only with regulars / when comfortable. Would I advise this approach to you? No. It depends on your risk perception. When I was a rookie, I had asked the same question on this forum. Probably 2 years ago. Seniors like Midwestern, Steve etc. , gave me the same advice. Depends on what you perceive as risk.

Pregnancy. Not worried. I go all the way if, and only if, the girl has IUD. Fun fact. I learned about IUD from my first SB. She is one of the top tier three. Ince we fucked so hard that her IUD moved and she has to go to her doctor to fix it. LOL.


Interesting post. I've only ever done BB once with a Seeking girl bc I'm a bit paranoid about STIs etc. Being honest, how many girls from Seeking have you done BB with and did you ever catch anything? I really love the BB experience bc cumming with a condom is becoming increasingly difficult, and I'd never do BB with an escort (not that they offer) but with the normal Seeking girls it's really tempting.

Gfefan
10-06-23, 20:04
Any suggestions for clubs in frankfurt?

Me and my girl would like to explore / expand our sexual boundaries.

Thanks.

AmericanPi
10-06-23, 23:25
Any suggestions for clubs in frankfurt?

Me and my girl would like to explore / expand our sexual boundaries.

Thanks.Let me make this straightforward for you. This could be a very long post but it's not necessary. You'll end up at the same destination.

Go to an FKK. Basically a sex club. You pay something like 60 or Ä70 to get in. There are maybe 100 girls walking around nude or semi nude at the best ones. You pay something like Ä75 to get with them. Food and non-alcoholic drinks are included in your entry price. As is a robe and slippers.

The two best ones are about 30 minutes outside of Frankfurt. One north of Frankfurt, and one south of Frankfurt. They are both excellent. You can debate them, but it's like a Coke and Pepsi. Oase and Sharks. Take your pick. Or just flip a coin.

One caveat: nothing will be like your first time. Take it all in. After that, it's still good, but nothing is like your first time.

Foolish
10-07-23, 01:16
Just a word of warning to all that Depoprovera - a good GF and wants to do her part but it feel's COMPLETELY different when I know it's one sided. It def could kill our relationship eventually as it's gotten rocky and this is def a contributing factor.What about switching up to copper IUD or something similar (oops saw GFE talking about it below after posting)?

Sloninger
10-07-23, 05:38
Met a sexy 23 year old Costa Rican on SA in Miami. In town on vacation. Great attitude great GFE but when I went to do the deed, she had a seriously unpleasant odor and and I noped out.

I have encountered this a handful of times in my mongering career and noting shuts me down faster.

Gfefan
10-07-23, 17:51
Thanks for the efforts, AmericanPi. Really appreciate it.

I should have been clearer. Any clubs. Swinger or other sexclubs. No FKK.

FKK. Been there by myself. I don't want to offend her right away by going to a Bordell although I want to do it in future.

I used to live in NRW region. So, very familiar with FKKs. In fact my "go-to" before I got hooked on SA by seniors here.


Let me make this straightforward for you. This could be a very long post but it's not necessary. You'll end up at the same destination.

Go to an FKK. Basically a sex club. You pay something like 60 or 70 to get in. There are maybe 100 girls walking around nude or semi nude at the best ones. You pay something like 75 to get with them. Food and non-alcoholic drinks are included in your entry price. As is a robe and slippers.

The two best ones are about 30 minutes outside of Frankfurt. One north of Frankfurt, and one south of Frankfurt. They are both excellent. You can debate them, but it's like a Coke and Pepsi. Oase and Sharks. Take your pick. Or just flip a coin.

One caveat: nothing will be like your first time. Take it all in. After that, it's still good, but nothing is like your first time.

MiamiBoy1
10-07-23, 18:45
Met a sexy 23 year old Costa Rican on SA in Miami. In town on vacation. Great attitude great GFE but when I went to do the deed, she had a seriously unpleasant odor and and I noped out.

I have encountered this a handful of times in my mongering career and noting shuts me down faster.I've been always wondering, don't they smell their own odor? I have encountered fishy odor multiple times, and can't recall a girl racing to the shower to freshen up. They act like nothing happened, like there is no odor at all. Or playing dumb hoping I wouldn't notice?

DramaFree11
10-07-23, 19:13
I've been always wondering, don't they smell their own odor? I have encountered fishy odor multiple times, and can't recall a girl racing to the shower to freshen up. They act like nothing happened, like there is no odor at all. Or playing dumb hoping I wouldn't notice?I also wonder same thing. They have to smell the odor.

GoingDumb
10-07-23, 20:16
Interesting post. I've only ever done BB once with a Seeking girl bc I'm a bit paranoid about STIs etc. Being honest, how many girls from Seeking have you done BB with and did you ever catch anything? I really love the BB experience bc cumming with a condom is becoming increasingly difficult, and I'd never do BB with an escort (not that they offer) but with the normal Seeking girls it's really tempting.I've only done it once as well. A few other girls offered to let me go bb but I didn't trust them (met right away, other questionable factors) so I just wrapped it.

I had a new experience recently. Girl I saw stopped before clothes came off and said she might have gen herpes and was getting tested again. Said she was seeing a few other guys from sa but I didn't ask too many details. Ended up making out for awhile but nothing else. We didn't discuss ppm but ended up giving her about half of usual when I dropped her off. We had good chemistry but I feel like that should be a deal breaker right?

Sloninger
10-07-23, 20:59
I've been always wondering, don't they smell their own odor? I have encountered fishy odor multiple times, and can't recall a girl racing to the shower to freshen up. They act like nothing happened, like there is no odor at all. Or playing dumb hoping I wouldn't notice?Exactly!! How do these girls not do a smell check?

Steve 9696
10-08-23, 01:06
A great thing about SA is there can be more than sex. Like you can develop something pretty real even if u both know it's NSA. Like with Sarah my UK girl. Sex is solid now but not top ten. But damn I like this girl. She's smart and fun and loves to dance. I am totally looking forward to seeing her and spending time with her. That's the magic of SA you can def get a GF feeling (real affection not just GFE sex)and with a handful of girls all at once! Amazing!

P.S. IUD for Shayla is a no go. She does the Depo to suppress her period m, not for BC per se. And I can sympathize. She has like minimum 5 day periods and they are just awful with cramps and pain etc. Nobody wants a quarter of their life to totally suck. So I def get it. Unfortunately.

AluHut
10-11-23, 16:01
Any suggestions for clubs in frankfurt?

Me and my girl would like to explore / expand our sexual boundaries.

Thanks.Club Freud, Die Oase in Rodermark (not to be confused with FKK Oase). Grande Opera in Offenbach, but make sure to check their event schedule, not all events they have are swinger events. Also, register on JoyClub and check what events are where on a specific date.

FastMdSter
10-12-23, 00:00
For those of you that find yourself in Europe a lot like myself Berlin is very active and turning out to be incredible.

I have more than I can handle. Just had the second woman of the night.

It seems they are all saying the same things, dating pool is atrocious here for them.

Age range 23-35. Started the process 3.

Days ago due to busy schedule. Arrived this morning. Staying downtown at the ritz Carlton easy to navigate.

The two I met were career woman. First was a marketing director for a major pharma company 30 yo solid 8. 5/9, incredibly intelligent and charming and great in bed. No donation. Meeting her again Thursday and she put the restaurant reservation on her credit card and she will be out 180 euro if I don't show up. Which I found amazing she would do that.

Second was a PR director for a well know fashion company. Was originally supposed to meet her this Friday, but she kept texting during my dinner. When I finished with the first one around 10:00 pm l told her let's meet for a drink. She showed up to the hotel bar 20 mins late. We hit it off immediately. She asked to kiss me at the bar. I knew she was finished at that point. Did the deed every way I wanted and her sucking whatever cum I.

Had left after shooting her full of it.

Both BBFS. The European girls for me never even mention condoms.

She's still in the bed now, LOL.

I was worried because the pro seen here is really a disaster now and it used to be great.

Have more lined up tll I leave Saturday. Sunday is.

My bday, maybe I stay LOL.

If you find yourself in Berlin, definitely try SA.

Gfefan
10-12-23, 19:50
Just checked SA. Berlin optics seem to be good.

Thanks for bringing it up. Somehow Berlin never popped up for me as a choice. Been confined to NRW within Germany given FKK serve as backups there. Or I went to Spain.

Will add Berlin to wishlist.

BTW, what filters do you use for search criteria?


For those of you that find yourself in Europe a lot like myself Berlin is very active and turning out to be incredible.

I have more than I can handle. Just had the second woman of the night.

It seems they are all saying the same things, dating pool is atrocious here for them.

Age range 23-35. Started the process 3.

Days ago due to busy schedule. Arrived this morning. Staying downtown at the ritz Carlton easy to navigate.

The two I met were career woman. First was a marketing director for a major pharma company 30 yo solid 8. 5/9, incredibly intelligent and charming and great in bed. No donation. Meeting her again Thursday and she put the restaurant reservation on her credit card and she will be out 180 euro if I don't show up. Which I found amazing she would do that.

Second was a PR director for a well know fashion company. Was originally supposed to meet her this Friday, but she kept texting during my dinner. When I finished with the first one around 10:00 pm l told her let's meet for a drink. She showed up to the hotel bar 20 mins late. We hit it off immediately. She asked to kiss me at the bar. I knew she was finished at that point. Did the deed every way I wanted and her sucking whatever cum I.

Had left after shooting her full of it.

Both BBFS. The European girls for me never even mention condoms.

She's still in the bed now, LOL.

I was worried because the pro seen here is really a disaster now and it used to be great.

Have more lined up tll I leave Saturday. Sunday is.

My bday, maybe I stay LOL.

If you find yourself in Berlin, definitely try SA.

FastMdSter
10-13-23, 07:52
Just checked SA. Berlin optics seem to be good.

Thanks for bringing it up. Somehow Berlin never popped up for me as a choice. Been confined to NRW within Germany given FKK serve as backups there. Or I went to Spain.

Will add Berlin to wishlist.

BTW, what filters do you use for search criteria?I basically use the same search criteria for all my hunts on SA and sort from there.

18-33 because they all tend to subtract at least 2 years from their actual age.

All the slim body types.

Pictures.

I leave ethnicities open because most pick mixed anyway.

Photos of course.

FYI, any of them who say Latina / columbia / Brazil are mostly pros from my chats that I had so crossed off list first.

If you want to just empty your nuts Frankfurt is great because of the Fkks but SA is good there also.

Berlin is pretty easy and cheap (or free, but of course the dinners and drinks).

Canada has always been my fish in the barrel but this is so easy here.

Women are better looking though in Montreal / Vancouver imo.

FastMdSter
10-14-23, 07:53
So I hope this helps some of you guys.

On my way back to NYC now.

Had 3 full days and nights in Berlin.

Met and slept with 4. All were great company, uninhibited sex (BBFS, CIM, cip etc).

Age range 25-33.

Looks 8-9.

English spoken.

Intelligent, funny, presentable, and genuine.

My location: Ritz Carlton center of Berlin.

I had double the number lined up to meet in case of flakes etc. 3 out of the 4 made reservations at great places, none of them were crazy expensive all cheaper than NYC / Paris or major cities.

All of them paid for the Ubers / taxis etc as we moved to bars after lunch / dinner etc.

No donation was negotiated or requested. I slipped 300 euro in the last woman's purse before I left in the morning, as we ended up going back to her apartment vs my hotel as it was closer to final bar of the evening. She probably hasn't seen noticed it yet.

Common theme from all of them as I mentioned before, dating pool is terrible. Dates with the men who live in Germany are not the best, cheap, expect the woman to pay for half etc.

It seems common good manners and old school gentleman etiquette go a long way here. So if your game is on and you're a match for their style it's an incredible option.

Also, all 4 went pse bbbjs, deep ball sucking, deep throat, choking and rimming which I was shocked about with no request by me. They also commented about having shaved balls which they loved.

None were on BC, and were more than willing to take ndp.

One thing to note, I like tall, fit / thin Caucasian women, I don't mind tattoos, as I have some, but not interested in women who have tatted necks / faces / chests etc.

I'm only 5'10" and all of them were between 5'7"- 5'9" and taller than me in heels. I always tell them to show up in heels. In my profile I state if you canít walk in heels or use chopsticks correctly don't respond, LOL.

Hope this helps some of your planning.

Gfefan
10-14-23, 14:46
Super helpful. Thanks.

Tall, fit Caucasian is my "go-to". I am over 6 ft myself.

BBFS, CIP. Are bonus. Pin put on Berlin.


So I hope this helps some of you guys.

On my way back to NYC now.

Had 3 full days and nights in Berlin.

Met and slept with 4. All were great company, uninhibited sex (BBFS, CIM, cip etc).

Age range 25-33.

Looks 8-9.

English spoken.

Intelligent, funny, presentable, and genuine.

My location: Ritz Carlton center of Berlin.

I had double the number lined up to meet in case of flakes etc. 3 out of the 4 made reservations at great places, none of them were crazy expensive all cheaper than NYC / Paris or major cities.

All of them paid for the Ubers / taxis etc as we moved to bars after lunch / dinner etc.

No donation was negotiated or requested. I slipped 300 euro in the last woman's purse before I left in the morning, as we ended up going back to her apartment vs my hotel as it was closer to final bar of the evening. She probably hasn't seen noticed it yet.

Common theme from all of them as I mentioned before, dating pool is terrible. Dates with the men who live in Germany are not the best, cheap, expect the woman to pay for half etc.

It seems common good manners and old school gentleman etiquette go a long way here. So if your game is on and you're a match for their style it's an incredible option.

Also, all 4 went pse bbbjs, deep ball sucking, deep throat, choking and rimming which I was shocked about with no request by me. They also commented about having shaved balls which they loved.

None were on BC, and were more than willing to take ndp.

One thing to note, I like tall, fit / thin Caucasian women, I don't mind tattoos, as I have some, but not interested in women who have tatted necks / faces / chests etc.

I'm only 5'10" and all of them were between 5'7"- 5'9" and taller than me in heels. I always tell them to show up in heels. In my profile I state if you cant walk in heels or use chopsticks correctly don't respond, LOL.

Hope this helps some of your planning.

GoingDumb
10-16-23, 05:10
I went out with a girl last weekend for the first time. Things went well, ended up at my place but didn't have sex because she was waiting for a hsv 2 lab result and wanted to be safe. She didn't go into details and I was glad she told me. We got along well so I saw her again this weekend. I didn't want to bring up the lab over text but when it came up we were already making out. She hadn't gotten the result yet but felt better and left it up to me. I may have made a big mistake and went for it using a rubber. Sex was great, she stayed over but my issue is I made plans with a different girl this week who I've seen before. Should I be safe and cancel? Or meet her for dinner and let her know I want to wait a little?

Nachoy
10-16-23, 09:03
This has been very helpful thread.

My main experiences have been massage and escorts.

Recently I had tried FWB relationship with a young Latino.

And it's working out very well.

Seen her for six dates over past 6 months.

The dates last anywhere 4-8 hours ending with sex.

She does good BBBJ, prefers covered mish, showers together.

Lots of DFK. She has some kinks like wanting to being tied up.

I feel lucky to have found her through an agency, initially as an escort-client relationship.

We hit it off and when she left agency to find more legitimate work.

We arrange me to act as a SD as a side hustle.

I give her 300 dollars per meet and she doesn't pry into my private life.

She told me she moving back to Mexico next month so I'm sadden.

As this arrangement will come to an end.

I never really had success with Seeking in the past but I think I will try again due to this FWB experience.

Might drive me crazy doing the leg work but I want to find another gem.

JonnySutton
10-16-23, 14:20
Great report. So how old are you since you said none of the girls you met asked for donations. I've experienced that 20% of the time (once in Berlin), but I'm over 50 (though pretty fit and have been told I'm very good looking) so I'm not going to attract many under 30's without some financial incentives.


So I hope this helps some of you guys.

On my way back to NYC now.

Had 3 full days and nights in Berlin.

Met and slept with 4. All were great company, uninhibited sex (BBFS, CIM, cip etc).

Age range 25-33.

Looks 8-9.

English spoken.

Intelligent, funny, presentable, and genuine.

My location: Ritz Carlton center of Berlin.

I had double the number lined up to meet in case of flakes etc. 3 out of the 4 made reservations at great places, none of them were crazy expensive all cheaper than NYC / Paris or major cities.

All of them paid for the Ubers / taxis etc as we moved to bars after lunch / dinner etc.

No donation was negotiated or requested. I slipped 300 euro in the last woman's purse before I left in the morning, as we ended up going back to her apartment vs my hotel as it was closer to final bar of the evening. She probably hasn't seen noticed it yet.

Common theme from all of them as I mentioned before, dating pool is terrible. Dates with the men who live in Germany are not the best, cheap, expect the woman to pay for half etc.

It seems common good manners and old school gentleman etiquette go a long way here. So if your game is on and you're a match for their style it's an incredible option.

Also, all 4 went pse bbbjs, deep ball sucking, deep throat, choking and rimming which I was shocked about with no request by me. They also commented about having shaved balls which they loved.

None were on BC, and were more than willing to take ndp.

One thing to note, I like tall, fit / thin Caucasian women, I don't mind tattoos, as I have some, but not interested in women who have tatted necks / faces / chests etc.

I'm only 5'10" and all of them were between 5'7"- 5'9" and taller than me in heels. I always tell them to show up in heels. In my profile I state if you cant walk in heels or use chopsticks correctly don't respond, LOL.

Hope this helps some of your planning.

Steve 9696
10-16-23, 14:33
I went out with a girl last weekend for the first time. Things went well, ended up at my place but didn't have sex because she was waiting for a hsv 2 lab result and wanted to be safe. She didn't go into details and I was glad she told me. We got along well so I saw her again this weekend. I didn't want to bring up the lab over text but when it came up we were already making out. She hadn't gotten the result yet but felt better and left it up to me. I may have made a big mistake and went for it using a rubber. Sex was great, she stayed over but my issue is I made plans with a different girl this week who I've seen before. Should I be safe and cancel? Or meet her for dinner and let her know I want to wait a little?Did you say WITH rubber? I think the chances of catching anything with a rubber are very small.

Sloninger
10-16-23, 14:36
Did you say WITH rubber? I think the chances of catching anything with a rubber are very small.I am with Steve on this one, as long as there is no active infection, rubber up and go.

FastMdSter
10-16-23, 18:13
Great report. So how old are you since you said none of the girls you met asked for donations. I've experienced that 20% of the time (once in Berlin), but I'm over 50 (though pretty fit and have been told I'm very good looking) so I'm not going to attract many under 30's without some financial incentives.I turned 49 yesterday, but have been told I don't look more than 35. Could be the shaved head and beard, but my beard is almost 70% gray.

I am very fit though and really into fashion. I've been told I'm very handsome, but we all have.

However, I think a lot has to do with the vibe / experience they get on the pre-game date. I don't think about cost when it comes to dinners / drinks / bottles etc because if I was alone I would pay for the top end anyway for myself, so it's just an extra I have to pay.

Additionally, like many of you I have been traveling for 20 years and tend to stay and visit many of the same places so have developed relationships that get me good tables / seats etc. So what I believe happens is that they get this vision in their mind that this is what it's going to be like for them through out this relationship and they want that life. It's an illusion that they fall into. I will tell you, it leads to a lot of clingers though.

Cbb19
10-16-23, 20:40
Hmm, I live in Berlin and I also used SA in the past. Frankly, I do not found this story very credible. Except you are famous in some way or another. .


So I hope this helps some of you guys.

On my way back to NYC now.

Had 3 full days and nights in Berlin.

Met and slept with 4. All were great company, uninhibited sex (BBFS, CIM, cip etc).

Age range 25-33.

Looks 8-9.

English spoken.

Intelligent, funny, presentable, and genuine.

My location: Ritz Carlton center of Berlin.

I had double the number lined up to meet in case of flakes etc. 3 out of the 4 made reservations at great places, none of them were crazy expensive all cheaper than NYC / Paris or major cities.

All of them paid for the Ubers / taxis etc as we moved to bars after lunch / dinner etc.

No donation was negotiated or requested. I slipped 300 euro in the last woman's purse before I left in the morning, as we ended up going back to her apartment vs my hotel as it was closer to final bar of the evening. She probably hasn't seen noticed it yet.

Common theme from all of them as I mentioned before, dating pool is terrible. Dates with the men who live in Germany are not the best, cheap, expect the woman to pay for half etc.

It seems common good manners and old school gentleman etiquette go a long way here. So if your game is on and you're a match for their style it's an incredible option.

Also, all 4 went pse bbbjs, deep ball sucking, deep throat, choking and rimming which I was shocked about with no request by me. They also commented about having shaved balls which they loved.

None were on BC, and were more than willing to take ndp.

One thing to note, I like tall, fit / thin Caucasian women, I don't mind tattoos, as I have some, but not interested in women who have tatted necks / faces / chests etc.

I'm only 5'10" and all of them were between 5'7"- 5'9" and taller than me in heels. I always tell them to show up in heels. In my profile I state if you cant walk in heels or use chopsticks correctly don't respond, LOL.

Hope this helps some of your planning.

Gfefan
10-16-23, 21:08
SA is trying to get me to sign up. Offering a 20% discount.

I am tired of US women and not biting the bait. Leveraging existing phone numbers and hoping one or two will fall in bed.

If anyone would like the code, pm me. Happy to share (doesn't look like it is a code tied to my account. No Harm trying).

GoingDumb
10-16-23, 21:22
Did you say WITH rubber? I think the chances of catching anything with a rubber are very small.Yeah with rubber.

GoingDumb
10-16-23, 21:33
I turned 49 yesterday, but have been told I don't look more than 35. Could be the shaved head and beard, but my beard is almost 70% gray.

I am very fit though and really into fashion. I've been told I'm very handsome, but we all have.

However, I think a lot has to do with the vibe / experience they get on the pre-game date. I don't think about cost when it comes to dinners / drinks / bottles etc because if I was alone I would pay for the top end anyway for myself, so it's just an extra I have to pay.

Additionally, like many of you I have been traveling for 20 years and tend to stay and visit many of the same places so have developed relationships that get me good tables / seats etc. So what I believe happens is that they get this vision in their mind that this is what it's going to be like for them through out this relationship and they want that life. It's an illusion that they fall into. I will tell you, it leads to a lot of clingers though.Do most of you travel for work? I know steve has regulars in the US but I'm curious if anyone has a regular arrangement at home vs mainly using it when traveling.

Steve 9696
10-16-23, 22:12
Do most of you travel for work? I know steve has regulars in the US but I'm curious if anyone has a regular arrangement at home vs mainly using it when traveling.For me it was a progression. At first I only ever did the hookers and club scene and always abroad. Then COVID was the mother of invention and I found SA for domestic trips because all international was shut down. But still only during travel for first year. Then decided to try discreetly at home. Worked well. Amped that up quite a bit to where I had a regular girl pretty much. But still maybe once or twice a month. Also no one quite satisfactory in all respects. Then of course Shayla the goddess and the slippery slope to full on mistress.

It all started with a handjob in Tokyo 20+ years ago. And here we are in mistress land! It's a slippery slope!

MexicanCuban
10-16-23, 22:37
SA is trying to get me to sign up. Offering a 20% discount.

I am tired of US women and not biting the bait. Leveraging existing phone numbers and hoping one or two will fall in bed.

If anyone would like the code, pm me. Happy to share (doesn't look like it is a code tied to my account. No Harm trying).I think SA sends you the discount promo right after your subscription expires. I got that discout too, its 25%, I got the email 3 times this weeks, I haven't re subscribed because I'm already fking a few sugar babies right now, but as soon as I get bored ot them, ill re sign and find some new ones.

MexicanCuban
10-16-23, 22:44
Hi fellow members.

I tried to create a new Thread about the Secret Benefits site / app, for some reason I can't create one even though I'm a paying member and have a subscription. If anyone can create it, please do.

Anyway, I would like to know your experience about this Secret Benefits site, I usually use seeking arr. And its been a good experience.

But last week I susbcribed to Secret Benefits and I got like 30-40 messages in about 3 days, lots of hotties PMing me and stuff. Any of you have any expericiences meeting chicks of this app? Thanks.

AmericanPi
10-17-23, 04:13
Do most of you travel for work? I know steve has regulars in the US but I'm curious if anyone has a regular arrangement at home vs mainly using it when traveling.Almost exclusively when traveling. Because married and that's playing with fire. Even when I'm traveling I am afraid some business connection is also going to be in the other country and notice me with some 19 year old dolled up girl and the jig will be up. But so far so good.

FastMdSter
10-17-23, 04:34
Do most of you travel for work? I know steve has regulars in the US but I'm curious if anyone has a regular arrangement at home vs mainly using it when traveling.So I use SA when traveling ex-us mostly. It is great in that aspect. I find it has deteriorated for the US and continues to get worse.

I have had success in the US but it's not the same level of hotness I'm looking to bang. If you like black, Latin, fat, curvy, that is really the biggest demographic of the women in the US on seeking imo. Additionally, many more pros, scammers, pic sellers etc then before in the US.

They say thick, but they are fat.

I like my women 5'5"+ Caucasian, mixed light skin, thin, fit, active, with good teeth, 8+ on scale and no chemical demons. I'm finding that group mostly ex-US.

I don't like to have anyone to close to my home area. I had one about 1 month ago against my better judgement, a 23 yo nursing student who was hottie but just had so much drama going on, but she was off tinder.

In the US, I use RAYA, Tinder, bumble, SA in that order.

Ex-US, I use RAYA, Tinder, and SA in that order.

I have a SO in Montreal that I found on SA a little over a year ago who is the perfect woman imo, but she will be turning 28 next month and I know she wants to be wifey and has been dropping hints and I'm not ready for that again. So I'm ratcheting up now.

The dollar is still really strong, take advantage.

RonhinCruz
10-17-23, 07:16
Just a friendly note because I found this information much to hard to find. If you are looking to pay for Seeking with a burner card the only ones I have found to work are those that are from Black Hawk. You look on the back and make sure that is listed as the issuer. To be safe go pull an address from the same zip code you bought it with a name attached to that address. That seems to work pretty reliably.

For those that care you can sign up on the "monthly repeat payment" price with the burner card and pay a single month (or more if you like).

I am about to head off in another extended trip through El Salvador and Nicaragua. I have posted about my Nicaragua experience here before. It will be the first time using it in El Salvador. In theory I have a very nice lady excited to come spend a day or two with me at the beach and a back up or two I am keeping warm.

Nicaragua is looking promising since I lost my original SB there to Europe. But we shall see.

Elvis 2008
10-17-23, 07:29
I went out with a girl last weekend for the first time. Things went well, ended up at my place but didn't have sex because she was waiting for a hsv 2 lab result and wanted to be safe. She didn't go into details and I was glad she told me. We got along well so I saw her again this weekend. I didn't want to bring up the lab over text but when it came up we were already making out. She hadn't gotten the result yet but felt better and left it up to me. I may have made a big mistake and went for it using a rubber. Sex was great, she stayed over but my issue is I made plans with a different girl this week who I've seen before. Should I be safe and cancel? Or meet her for dinner and let her know I want to wait a little?https://www.ucsfhealth.org/medical-tests/serum-herpes-simplex-antibodies#text=About%2070%25%20 of%20 adults%20 have, once%20 you%20 have%20 been%20 infected.

About 70% of adults have been infected by HSV-1 and have antibodies against the virus. About 20 to 50% of adults will have antibodies against the HSV-2 virus, which causes genital herpes.

Elvis 2008
10-17-23, 07:43
Great report. So how old are you since you said none of the girls you met asked for donations. I've experienced that 20% of the time (once in Berlin), but I'm over 50 (though pretty fit and have been told I'm very good looking) so I'm not going to attract many under 30's without some financial incentives.JS, I first saw this in Colombia. FastMD covered it but I want to re-emphasize it. If you stay in a Super 8/ motel 6 type place and dress plainly, the women will ask for money upfront because they are afraid you have nothing. If you show up at a nice hotel, dress sharply, and are at a nice restaurant or bar, you are selling the women the dream that this is what they get if they hang out with you, and they will be much, much less inclined to ask for money.

I didn't plan for this as much as fell into it. I just keep meeting women in Colombia, and they didn't ask for any money. I would give them something afterwards but after a while, I just tried giving the women nothing. Then I would ask to see them again, and they would show up. Because I felt like they really liked me, in the end, I gave the women who did not ask for money more than the ones who did.

One guy here and I both saw the same woman. I actually told him that she didn't ask for money but I gave it to her. He said the same happened with him, and he gave her money too. So there are women on SA, not a lot but some, who have learned that there is value in not setting a price.

JonnySutton
10-17-23, 09:53
I agree with you about Seeking in the US. I'm from Europe but travel across the pond quite a bit and everytime I go on Seeking and search US cities I'm left feeling very uninspired. And reading the SLF on Reddit it seems the expectations of SBs in the US are a bit ridiculous. Europe and Asia are the best places I've found (not used Seeking in Latin America since there were alternative aproaches when I went). That being said Seeking hasn't been so great this past year even in Europe after finding absolute gems in 2020/21/22. So this year I've given it a rest and I'm just seeing a girl (too infrequently I admit) that I met in Berlin back in 2020. She's such a sweetie and I've got a bit hooked I guess. When you connect with a girl it's hard to start over and try to find someone else that comes close to what you're experiencing. And now the whole FKK and escort thing leaves me a bit cold even though I've met some absolute stunners via that route (inc a model in Prague who turned out to have been on the cover of Czech Playboy).


So I use SA when traveling ex-us mostly. It is great in that aspect. I find it has deteriorated for the US and continues to get worse.

I have had success in the US but it's not the same level of hotness I'm looking to bang. If you like black, Latin, fat, curvy, that is really the biggest demographic of the women in the US on seeking imo. Additionally, many more pros, scammers, pic sellers etc then before in the US.

They say thick, but they are fat.

I like my women 5'5"+ Caucasian, mixed light skin, thin, fit, active, with good teeth, 8+ on scale and no chemical demons. I'm finding that group mostly ex-US.

I don't like to have anyone to close to my home area. I had one about 1 month ago against my better judgement, a 23 yo nursing student who was hottie but just had so much drama going on, but she was off tinder.

In the US, I use RAYA, Tinder, bumble, SA in that order.

Ex-US, I use RAYA, Tinder, and SA in that order.

I have a SO in Montreal that I found on SA a little over a year ago who is the perfect woman imo, but she will be turning 28 next month and I know she wants to be wifey and has been dropping hints and I'm not ready for that again. So I'm ratcheting up now.

The dollar is still really strong, take advantage.

The Cane
10-17-23, 12:03
They say thick, but they are fat.Reminds me of a guy from years ago who used the handle "YaNotThickYaFat" LMAO! I got tired a long time ago of fat chicks misappropriating the descriptor "thick" to describe themselves. I can remember a time when it was "in" for women to describe themselves as being "rubenesque". Same thing. Fat!

JonnySutton
10-17-23, 16:35
Interesting points. I always stay in 5 star hotels (when I'm travelling) and dine at a high end restaurant (at least for the first meet, and then gauge what they want), I dress properly and all that stuff. But not crazy bling or anything. I don't wear a Rolex, I'm more casual. I also treat women with great respect and just be natural. I don't need to show off, I'm a bit understated actually, and always make sure the woman feels safe, comfortable and respected. I don't go in strong with sex talk, I'm not a creep. And I'm also prepared to walk away. Giving the vibe that you're desperate is such a turn off. The strategy works well. I've never had a M&G not lead to an arrangement or intimate date, so on that front a 100% success rate. But as I said only 20% of women I've met via Seeking never asked for money.


JS, I first saw this in Colombia. FastMD covered it but I want to re-emphasize it. If you stay in a Super 8/ motel 6 type place and dress plainly, the women will ask for money upfront because they are afraid you have nothing. If you show up at a nice hotel, dress sharply, and are at a nice restaurant or bar, you are selling the women the dream that this is what they get if they hang out with you, and they will be much, much less inclined to ask for money.

I didn't plan for this as much as fell into it. I just keep meeting women in Colombia, and they didn't ask for any money. I would give them something afterwards but after a while, I just tried giving the women nothing. Then I would ask to see them again, and they would show up. Because I felt like they really liked me, in the end, I gave the women who did not ask for money more than the ones who did.

One guy here and I both saw the same woman. I actually told him that she didn't ask for money but I gave it to her. He said the same happened with him, and he gave her money too. So there are women on SA, not a lot but some, who have learned that there is value in not setting a price.

FastMdSter
10-18-23, 17:06
Interesting points. I always stay in 5 star hotels (when I'm travelling) and dine at a high end restaurant (at least for the first meet, and then gauge what they want), I dress properly and all that stuff. But not crazy bling or anything. I don't wear a Rolex, I'm more casual. I also treat women with great respect and just be natural. I don't need to show off, I'm a bit understated actually, and always make sure the woman feels safe, comfortable and respected. I don't go in strong with sex talk, I'm not a creep. And I'm also prepared to walk away. Giving the vibe that you're desperate is such a turn off. The strategy works well. I've never had a M&G not lead to an arrangement or intimate date, so on that front a 100% success rate. But as I said only 20% of women I've met via Seeking never asked for money.It sounds like your method is working great for you.

We are all attracted to different women and the ones you are targeting seem to be matching up.

I know I target women that will match my style. I like the model type / high heels / designer fits / cool sneakers etc but most would think are high maintenance / high end. I am not attracted to girl next door types.

In reality, most of them can't afford what they have, they saved / they splurged / or were gifted. So when I show up having what they aspire to have, it fucks their mind.

I also believe in the line by drake "don't tell me you model if you ain't been in Vogue" LOL. So I shut down a lot of their BS.

If I have to pay no big deal, I know the rules of the game going in.

You are winning, so good work.

Gfefan
10-19-23, 02:48
Been chatting up a girl in the US. We met for a M&G months ago. Had an opportunity.

Also, followed seniors tips here to get Cialis. Thought will test it out. Had just one drink (seniors advised not to drink much), got into the groove, and things heated up. A decent blowjob later, I could feel something but not muc different from my regular erection. She has IUD but yet, I decided to go with a condom. Used Skyn. Felt reasonably OK but nothing like raw.

Did Mish for a while and decided to switch doggie. While flipping, noticed abut of spots on condom. She goes "yeah, I get this sometimes. IUD messes up my periods".

I know this is a natural cycle. But, it grossed me out. Within seconds, lost the hardness. Disposed the rubber, jumped in shower, cleaned myself.

Paid her $ and let her go.

She was not at all apologetic. Didn't for once hesitate to take ppm (I didn't shoot even one load).

Testimony that bitches in US are only about $. Crass.
I can't thank my stars enough for going in with condom. Could have been worse

GoingDumb
10-19-23, 07:18
A girl I've been seeing and saw this week asked if I wanted to see her again this weekend bc of a schedule change. Issue is I'm low on cash ATM since I wasn't expecting multiple dates a week. Should I be honest and see what happens or just lie and say I have plans? Chemistry has been decent and she seems to enjoy the sex. It's been ppm so far. I'm wondering if I tell her the truth if she'd be willing to do allowance for 2-3 ppm / month but see each other more than that.

FastMdSter
10-19-23, 13:26
A girl I've been seeing and saw this week asked if I wanted to see her again this weekend bc of a schedule change. Issue is I'm low on cash ATM since I wasn't expecting multiple dates a week. Should I be honest and see what happens or just lie and say I have plans? Chemistry has been decent and she seems to enjoy the sex. It's been ppm so far. I'm wondering if I tell her the truth if she'd be willing to do allowance for 2-3 ppm / month but see each other more than that.IMO, she needs the cash. Since it's always been PPM. Rent, CC etc.

Whoever else she was seeing probably bailed or gave less.

I would lie and say you have plans.

Now, you could see her and not offer a ppm and say you were mistaken and get her the next time. But, I wouldn't go that route personally. To much drama can come of it.

FastMdSter
10-19-23, 13:30
Been chatting up a girl in the US. We met for a M&G months ago. Had an opportunity.

Also, followed seniors tips here to get Cialis. Thought will test it out. Had just one drink (seniors advised not to drink much), got into the groove, and things heated up. A decent blowjob later, I could feel something but not muc different from my regular erection. She has IUD but yet, I decided to go with a condom. Used Skyn. Felt reasonably OK but nothing like raw.

Did Mish for a while and decided to switch doggie. While flipping, noticed abut of spots on condom. She goes "yeah, I get this sometimes. IUD messes up my periods".

I know this is a natural cycle. But, it grossed me out. Within seconds, lost the hardness. Disposed the rubber, jumped in shower, cleaned myself.

Paid her $ and let her go.

She was not at all apologetic. Didn't for once hesitate to take ppm (I didn't shoot even one load).

Testimony that bitches in US are only about $. Crass.
I can't thank my stars enough for going in with condom. Could have been worseThat sucks, but has happened to a lot of us, it has happened to me. A woman I met once said her period came early when we were having sex. It looked like a murder scene, all lights were off. I had to have housekeeping come at 3 am and give me all new bedding and made her wait for them while I showed for an hour.

IUDs do cause this erratic bleeding in some women.

Steve 9696
10-20-23, 19:23
Ended up busting it off with Sarah which I pretty much never do. Flew her to LA and actually had a very nice time except for the sex. We had a sex fail that at least I got a BJ out of our first night. But then repeated attempts met with I'm too tired. Or not in the mood. I wasn't paying her other than the trip and spending money so maybe that led to complacency. She was totally shocked and upset when I told her the fact we haven't had sex this trip was a dealbreaker. She felt like doing her best was good enough.

I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.

Elvis 2008
10-21-23, 01:00
I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.LOL. I was talking about this in the Medellin forum. Every time I pursued a relationship with a woman, she got comfortable and sex just was not that important. It was like they were saying, "I was just fucking you to get you to like me but now that I know you like me, I don't have to fuck you anymore". It seemed to always happen around 3 months after we started. One of the reasons I did sugaring was that the women knew no fucking meant no money. If having a GF meant they really like me but gave me no sex or a SB who pretended to like me but fucked me, then I would take the SB, and I did. I thought was just me, but it has been studied and women quickly lose desire in a relationship and much more quickly than men do.

I think the reason I went to strip clubs when I was married so much is it was the only place I got any sympathy. My ex-wife actually called my favorite club and asked them, "How can you do this with a married man? And they told her, "Maybe if you took better care of your husband, he wouldn't be here. " They were the only ones honest about men having a satisfying sex life until lately.

Now the men's rights guys are saying that if you are married and not getting it, leave. They also are saying your wife / GF does not own your dick, she just gets first dibs. All I can say is amen.

One of these men's rights guys, Rich Cooper, called it making men betas with nagging, and I had it with my ex there too. She kept bitching I tasted funny and would not give me head. What I wanted to say is that all the other women did not mind, but one of my SBs was a clean freak. Thing is that she knew if she did like my wife, "That is gross. You need to wash it! She would get no money, so she would take me into a shower and we would make out and she would rub against me ETC. I looked forward to it.

Because there is competition to be liked by women, a woman screaming her husband cheated on her like my ex did should not be met with sympathy but a question. Why is she not being asked if she was sending him out in the world with a loaded gun? What I would have given for some guy to say to her, "Are you blowing him every morning and and getting him off?" and if she said, "I would if he cleaned it" to have that guy say, "Okay, that means no, so you need to own up to the fact you are not sexually satisfying your husband. It is not all his fault, * ".

I got engaged and afterwards, it was the same thing. The pussy fountain dried up. I asked if this always was going to happen and found the studies showing it was. So of course, once I decided it was hopeless, I meet a woman who loves sex more than I do and unlike with most women, there aren't any barriers.

The ex also used to gripe, "You are using sex as a sleeping pill", and I think it is a game with her: I am going to see how much I can get without putting out, and no one is telling them no. Hell, men's sex drive has been so demonized that we have fatties on SI covers and in the Victoria Secret's catalogue. The price of pussy has gotten so high that young men are just checking out. Even asking the price of pussy is offensive.

The truth is you are not being good to women by lying to them. After being with a woman who has never refused me, even at 4 in the morning, I just don't think I would put up with those games any more. So Steve in your situation, I would start making out with the girl, getting close to her, and talk dirty. If she pulled away, I would say, "One of the reasons I brought you here is that you would sexually take care of me. If that is a problem, you can leave and I will get a woman here who will satisfy me. ".

Unless she is paying her own way, if a wife, GF, or SB is not putting out, guys should get rid of them and not let women get away with their shaming bullshit. If you let women play power games with their sexuality, you will always lose in the end.

Sloninger
10-21-23, 02:11
Ended up busting it off with Sarah which I pretty much never do. Flew her to LA and actually had a very nice time except for the sex. We had a sex fail that at least I got a BJ out of our first night. But then repeated attempts met with I'm too tired. Or not in the mood. I wasn't paying her other than the trip and spending money so maybe that led to complacency. She was totally shocked and upset when I told her the fact we haven't had sex this trip was a dealbreaker. She felt like doing her best was good enough.

I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.You made the right move. We have all been there. Sometimes girls forget what it is that they bring to the table. I met up with a Brazilian girl in Miami and she told me she was looking for an allowance but wanted a plutonic relationship. I told her that's not how this works and walked. The beautiful part is there are literally millions more to choose from.

-Slonnie.

The Cane
10-21-23, 02:37
More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.That's why porking prostitutes is the best. Find them, feel them, finger them, fuck them, forget them! After you pay of course, and never pay full price up front LMAO!

FishMongerC
10-21-23, 05:49
A girl I've been seeing and saw this week asked if I wanted to see her again this weekend bc of a schedule change. Issue is I'm low on cash ATM since I wasn't expecting multiple dates a week. Should I be honest and see what happens or just lie and say I have plans? Chemistry has been decent and she seems to enjoy the sex. It's been ppm so far. I'm wondering if I tell her the truth if she'd be willing to do allowance for 2-3 ppm / month but see each other more than that.Going dumb. If you enjoy spending time with her and she is really a good catch for you, I suggest you dig deeper into your pockets this weekend for her. As someone else suggested, someone probably canceled, but if you make yourself available, she will come to realize you are dependable, and that is a great thing to have in this environment. Then maybe next week say you are a little too busy but try to still see her at least once. In my experience having been dependable makes a girl (obviously depending on her character) more smitten with you which may liven the relationship and experience. The success I have had is partially based on my reliability. And girls tend to keep coming back (to some extent). So give it a try and I hope it works for you.

Nachoy
10-21-23, 22:01
For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.

Steve 9696
10-22-23, 14:30
So hot off my girlfriend drama w Sarah, I decided to go the straight up pro route and get some great sex. Of course Vive is a great Madrid venue for South American hotties. But it doesn't open till later. The standard Madrid brothels are closed on Sunday. But boutique college girl apartment amigasdelidia had two girls working. Fortunately one was my type.

I was prepared for a face not as pretty as the fotos and ten pounds heavier but I was ready to rumble. Boy was I surprised when a gorgeous built Venezuelan opened the door. I mean a solid 9. Wtf? Her face was to die for ó the best vennies are a cut above the rest. And she had that Brazilian hips to waist ratio that we all seem to adore so much. Absolutely stunning in doggie and trying to figure how it's possible. Nice firm the cups. The total package.

Well she is a sweetheart as well. Very attentive and sweet from start to finish. And her head game is on point. Musta done a good 20 minutes of BBBJ including some amazing 69. Her pussy is absolutely stunning and sweet as only a young lady's can be. We eventually suited up but only after quite some time at the gates of heaven. Great mish with kissing (lips only but passionate and wet), the Steve, and doggie.

Eventually I pulled out and finished in her mouth. 150/ HR is standard at Lidias with no tip expected and CIM was apparently free as well. WTF? A nine that loves to suck cock, looks like a goddess and takes a CIM like a champ ó for 150. I am in love.

AluHut
10-22-23, 19:19
Ok, I finally had my first ever SA encounter in Montenegro. The girl was an obvious first chocie, as she was pretty talkative, moved to messenger without issues and had some matching kinks. Also, she never mentioned how much she wants beforehand. A bit too young for my taste (early 20's), but others were playing "hard to get" while messaging.

Those were good moments. Now not so good. After dinner she asked me how much I was thinking about and I offered 300, which I think was a bit above this country rate. She countered with 350, and I agreed because it was late and she was quioti interested in me. The body was a bit of dissapoint, especially for her age. She claims she's "average", but she is very bottom heavy including some rather unplesant belly fat. She quite strategically hides that on photos. Sex also was a mixture of good and not so good. Opend minded, active and very enthusiastic. BJ was probably one the worst I've ever had, too gentle and soft, I barely felt anything. Declined anal. Stayed well past midnight to allow two rounds, but didn't wanted to stay for night despite me asking for that.

Conclusion - "not terrible, not great". Mostly enjoable, but terrible value for money. Feels like she is a semi pro as this point.

Steve 9696
10-22-23, 19:37
Ok, I finally had my first ever SA encounter in Montenegro. The girl was an obvious first chocie, as she was pretty talkative, moved to messenger without issues and had some matching kinks. Also, she never mentioned how much she wants beforehand. A bit too young for my taste (early 20's), but others were playing "hard to get" while messaging.

Those were good moments. Now not so good. After dinner she asked me how much I was thinking about and I offered 300, which I think was a bit above this country rate. She countered with 350, and I agreed because it was late and she was quioti interested in me. The body was a bit of dissapoint, especially for her age. She claims she's "average", but she is very bottom heavy including some rather unplesant belly fat. She quite strategically hides that on photos. Sex also was a mixture of good and not so good. Opend minded, active and very enthusiastic. BJ was probably one the worst I've ever had, too gentle and soft, I barely felt anything. Declined anal. Stayed well past midnight to allow two rounds, but didn't wanted to stay for night despite me asking for that.

Conclusion - "not terrible, not great". Mostly enjoable, but terrible value for money. Feels like she is a semi pro as this point.Boo. Sorry you had a mixed experience. But isn't "the dating game" sorta fun regardless? A couple thoughts:

I wouldn't peg her as a semi pro. I find the girls who give poor BJ are inexperienced. They try hard but aren't good at it. Some you can coach up a bit. I've definitely seen several improve A LOT. You just need to give some direction. I only recently figured out what was wrong with Sarah's BJ and it was that she didn't SUCK at all. And that makes a huge difference. Sounds like your girls issue tho you won't repeat.

Second the "talk money at the table" is a very dangerous play. I've had it work but rarely. Much better to sort the numbers ahead so you know if you are compatible. And also the heat of the moment is a bit too dicey. Your dick can get the best of you.

Regardless great to have you in the club. Just keep riding the horse. You will have some amazing experiences. I guarantee it.

AluHut
10-22-23, 20:49
Sounds like your girls issue tho you won't repeat.
Well, I won't repeat for a different reason. I was there on a vacation. I might return to this country, but not very soon. Also, I had two non paid fucks, found via Pure app. One was pretty fucking amazing, way better that this SA girl. So, overall it was a good vacation.

About "money at the table" - yes, I agree it's risky. I guess I was impressed my some of stories here "she was so into me that we never talked about money". To be honest, I found those stories a bit too good to be true, especially happening in a row. But yeah, lesson learned.

GoingDumb
10-25-23, 07:43
I went out with a girl last weekend for the first time. Things went well, ended up at my place but didn't have sex because she was waiting for a hsv 2 lab result and wanted to be safe. She didn't go into details and I was glad she told me. We got along well so I saw her again this weekend. I didn't want to bring up the lab over text but when it came up we were already making out. She hadn't gotten the result yet but felt better and left it up to me. I may have made a big mistake and went for it using a rubber. Saw this girl again and she unfortunately confirmed she'the tested positive for hsv 2. When we went out she hadn't been having symptoms and always used a rubber but hearing it was confirmed was tough. I was pretty worried about it earlier but have had riskier exposures. Multi day FKK trips, once when a k girl put it in raw. So with that context it didn't seem too bad. Plan on taking a break for a few weeks and hoping for the best.

It's more of a shame because I'm not sure I'the want to see her for the cost again knowing the risk. I like spending time with her and we have a similar interest but I feel like I'the just be paranoid after seeing her.

JonnySutton
10-25-23, 12:22
So I recently sent a message to a girl in HCMC, Vietnam on Seeking and her reply was; I charge $250 to meet and have dinner and IF we vibe we can move on the ppm!! I mean that's insane. I don't even get that in London or Europe. I've had arrangements with 20 something hotties and no money was even asked for. And I never pay for a paltonic first meet diner / lunch / coffee either. What has got into some of these girls? I blocked her immediately but I should have reported her and got her banned on Seeking! The crap you have to wade through.

JonnySutton
10-25-23, 12:59
So I recently sent a message to a girl in HCMC, Vietnam on Seeking and her reply was; I charge $250 to meet and have dinner and IF we vibe we can move on the ppm!! I mean that's insane. I don't even get that in London or Europe. I've had arrangements with 20 something hotties and no money was even asked for. And I never pay for a paltonic first meet diner / lunch / coffee either. What has got into some of these girls? I blocked her immediately but I should have reported her and got her banned on Seeking! The crap you have to wade through.

NoBuglyFitches
10-25-23, 15:23
For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.What city / location? What profiles are you contacting (age group etc)? Are you trying to filter out pros?

DramaFree11
10-25-23, 15:30
So I recently sent a message to a girl in HCMC, Vietnam on Seeking and her reply was; I charge $250 to meet and have dinner and IF we vibe we can move on the ppm!! I mean that's insane. I don't even get that in London or Europe. I've had arrangements with 20 something hotties and no money was even asked for. And I never pay for a paltonic first meet diner / lunch / coffee either. What has got into some of these girls? I blocked her immediately but I should have reported her and got her banned on Seeking! The crap you have to wade through.Yes, it is. Yesterday, I get a message from a girl in CDMX, that I have never met, we have only been talking briefly on WhatsApp. She asked me to rent an Airbnb for her, for a couple of days. Instant block. ,

FilthyBeaver
10-26-23, 02:57
I don't block them when I get ridiculous requests. It just teaches them that it's a ridiculous request and move on to some other way to scam guys. I just ignore them and don't reply. Let them figure out how stupid they are in their own.


Yes, it is. Yesterday, I get a message from a girl in CDMX, that I have never met, we have only been talking briefly on WhatsApp. She asked me to rent an Airbnb for her, for a couple of days. Instant block. ,

JonnySutton
10-26-23, 10:10
And today I had a reply from a girl in BKK. She's pretty hot, nothing more than I've expereinced in Europe though, but she wanted $650 for an evening and $950 for overnight. Basically a freelance escort charging European prices in a city that's 2-3 x cheaper than most European cities and where wages are 3-4 x less. Oh and I agreed $200 last time I was in BKK (with a European girl, via Seeking). Maybe Seeking isn't the best approach in SE Asia? But I'm not interested in bar girls or freelancers at Thermae etc, I'm looking for at least some connection. My experience in Europe has been excellent and had great chemistry with the girls I've met, almost lke a real GF / BF relationship.


Yes, it is. Yesterday, I get a message from a girl in CDMX, that I have never met, we have only been talking briefly on WhatsApp. She asked me to rent an Airbnb for her, for a couple of days. Instant block. ,

Gfefan
10-26-23, 20:55
This is what I call PPS. Platinum Pussy Syndrome.

I have had at least 4/5 girls in the US tell me they need $1000 ppm. And, thy want to define how may times we would meet and convert that to monthly allowance. I say F. Off *****.


And today I had a reply from a girl in BKK. She's pretty hot, nothing more than I've expereinced in Europe though, but she wanted $650 for an evening and $950 for overnight. Basically a freelance escort charging European prices in a city that's 2-3 x cheaper than most European cities and where wages are 3-4 x less. Oh and I agreed $200 last time I was in BKK (with a European girl, via Seeking). Maybe Seeking isn't the best approach in SE Asia? But I'm not interested in bar girls or freelancers at Thermae etc, I'm looking for at least some connection. My experience in Europe has been excellent and had great chemistry with the girls I've met, almost lke a real GF / BF relationship.

Gfefan
10-26-23, 21:14
Much has been told about South America by seniors here. While I haven't had a chance to visit there, there was this girl traveling to US for some event.

We chatted a bit and moved to whatsapp. Free flowing convo.

Early on, I dropped a few hints about my expectations but she seemd to ignore those. I let it go thinking perhaps she is not comfortable conversing.

We decide to meet.

A nice little meet and greet. Food and drinks. We chat. She goes "I must admit. I was brought on this site by a friend of mine and she had painted a certain picture. What I'm seeing in reality is different. Men are almost always expecting sex. But that is not what I signed up for".

The simplicity of that truth and the innocence with which she spoke made me feel for her (hard to convey the facial expressions, eye contact, genuine body language when I write this).

She made it clear that she is not expecting me to compensate her for time (note, platinum pussies in the US) and that she in fact wanted to treat me for a good lunch because she felt she wasted my time. I laughed at it, took the whole bill myself and gave a ride back to her hotel, dropped her safe, gave a nice warm hug and left.

We spoke a lot. For hours. About our cultures, she explaining how things work in South America. In fact, she said "you have a friend in xyz city whe you visit. Ring me up, I will take you places and be your wing woman. Worst case, some friends of mine would love to have a guy like you".

I walked in hoping to have a Latin SB. I walked out with a genuinely good hearted Latin friend. Such a pleasant experience.

Pessimist
10-27-23, 04:15
For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.Pretty low percentages on the last one.

Especially if you want to stay disciplined on how much you want to pay and who you are seeking. If it is a shapely young white girl that's educated and well mannered, you will generally pay up. More so in the US and more so in the coastal places. Along with inflation, seeking prices too have gone up. Way different seeking than it was in 2016 and 2017.

Replies to messages, convos. Percentages are higher.

You will know these percentages after a few months and after you hit up a sufficient number of girls. Initial impressions can be misleading so don't get carried away.

Midwestern
10-27-23, 07:06
Sorry to hear about the sex fail. Yeah, they need to know this is not a real relationship. When an SB and I start to know each other well, I find that we eventually become like an old married couple. With my curent SB, she knows almost nothing about me. So she knows what our "relationship" is really all about.


Ended up busting it off with Sarah which I pretty much never do. Flew her to LA and actually had a very nice time except for the sex. We had a sex fail that at least I got a BJ out of our first night. But then repeated attempts met with I'm too tired. Or not in the mood. I wasn't paying her other than the trip and spending money so maybe that led to complacency. She was totally shocked and upset when I told her the fact we haven't had sex this trip was a dealbreaker. She felt like doing her best was good enough.

I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley..

Steve 9696
10-28-23, 00:20
Sorry to hear about the sex fail. Yeah, they need to know this is not a real relationship. When an SB and I start to know each other well, I find that we eventually become like an old married couple. With my curent SB, she knows almost nothing about me. So she knows what our "relationship" is really all about.

.Thanks. Despite this setback I have rebounded. In Madrid, FKK in Germany, and London I managed to get off 11 shots in 5 days. So my drought was more than repaid! Damn I love this life we lead!

Gfefan
10-28-23, 02:35
Visiting Europe soon. Chatted up a few girls. One seems very interesting and my type. Lets say Girl 2.

While engaging with girl 2, up until we discussing my travel plans (exact dates), none from girl 1 - who is my long term SB with whom I am on no money required stage. Its more like GF / BF.

But, now Girl 1 wants to drive to me. Last time I was there, I couldn't meet her. So, need a meeting to keep things alive. Smitten by the new one I am yet to meet.

Will be there for just 1 night. I am sensing an opportunity for threesome but not sure how to bring it up.

Risk: The new one might backoff and never see me at all. If I meet new one only, skip the old one, I have a feeling old will lose interest.

If I meet the old one only, I am not sure if I can keep the new one engaged online until next trip.

Caught from all corners.

Steve 9696
10-28-23, 03:00
Visiting Europe soon. Chatted up a few girls. One seems very interesting and my type. Lets say Girl 2.

While engaging with girl 2, up until we discussing my travel plans (exact dates), none from girl 1 - who is my long term SB with whom I am on no money required stage. Its more like GF / BF.

But, now Girl 1 wants to drive to me. Last time I was there, I couldn't meet her. So, need a meeting to keep things alive. Smitten by the new one I am yet to meet.

Will be there for just 1 night. I am sensing an opportunity for threesome but not sure how to bring it up.

Risk: The new one might backoff and never see me at all. If I meet new one only, skip the old one, I have a feeling old will lose interest.

If I meet the old one only, I am not sure if I can keep the new one engaged online until next trip.

Caught from all corners.My advice is that a threesome is never going to happen. Girls that don't know each other aren't going to get down. And likelihood with existing girl is it gets more rote and less awesome the further you deepen things. Try to snag the new hottie and don't look back!

FishMongerC
10-28-23, 03:56
My advice is that a threesome is never going to happen. Girls that don't know each other aren't going to get down. And likelihood with existing girl is it gets more rote and less awesome the further you deepen things. Try to snag the new hottie and don't look back!I agree. A 3 some is very unlikely to occur. I suggest you try meeting new Girl 2 in the afternoon. Remember you haven't met her so she might be a disappointment. Have you video called her yet to see she is real? You can never truly know until you meet them, but a few video calls helps mitigate that risk.

So meet new Girl 2 in the early afternoon. If she is really amazing, ditch girl 1. But only if she is really an upgrade to girl 1.

I've juggled seeing 2 girls in the same day separately, and while stressful it can work well. Always have the more secure girl later in the day, and the less secure girl earlier. Atleast that's how I did it.

Midwestern
10-28-23, 04:16
I was very active on SA for about 20 months, and used it all over the USA.

For big cities, my batting average for finally meeting gals in person, out of the gals I contacted, was way less than 1%. Literally. The attractive and youngish gals are getting hundreds of messages from hundreds of guys each week, and maybe each day. They don't have time to reply to everyone, nor the time to obviously meet all of us. In addition, many are pretty lazy to meet up and some are actually busy with jobs or school or with life in general. But for smaller cities, my average was much better, probably above 1%.

But once we met in person, then my batting average for eventually doing the deed with them was probably around 70% (of which half happened at that first meet and the other half happened at the next meet). This part all depends on chemistry and your game. When I was active on SA, I was a decent looking guy, not fat, and I think I am normal. If I were using SA today, I am sure my success rate after the first meeting in person would be much lower. For some reason, I have gotten way uglier as I have gotten older. Probably all that drinking wasn't helpful for my looks.




For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.

Steve 9696
10-28-23, 06:29
For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.The percent conversation you get from initial contact is the largest falloff point. Vast majority of contacts just fizzle. I'the put it a bit higher than Midwestern did. Prob 5-10% come thru to a message. You can increase this with good text game. Make your opener interesting and try to mention something from their profile. Most responded to question is what color are your eyes? I only ask this when I can't tell but the response rate on this is nearly 100%.

Then as to be. Message to meet I'the say it's also small but that is partly my doing. I might talk seriously to five girls in a location and then decide on one or two. The key to text game is to ask questions. Anytime you just make a statement the conversation will end.

Now a few years into the game my closure rate is nearly 100%. Starting it will be less. The keys are to NEVER have a coffee date and always have drinks and take it to the room after dinner/drinks first night. I only date 21-26 years old. They are used to going out, drinking and fucking all the first night if they like a guy. So be fun and charismatic and say "want to get out of here" and take her to the hotel. Had a few fails my first year or two but once you get the hang you can close most every time (depending on game and looks. I am above average on both if I may say. But I am officially old. Hahaha).

JonnySutton
10-30-23, 17:04
I've used Seeking in London + European and Asian cities, and I'm selective about who I message. On average I'd get a reply from 40-50% of the girls I message, and 50% of those would be up for meeting. Some of them would then bale before the arranged meet (go quiet and not confirm my 'are we meeting' later text that I send in the morning). But anyways, during a 1 month sub I always manage 2-3 M&GS and 100% of those are successful. How many f-ing hours I waste on the website and chatting on IMs I can't say. Too many!


I was very active on SA for about 20 months, and used it all over the USA.

For big cities, my batting average for finally meeting gals in person, out of the gals I contacted, was way less than 1%. Literally. The attractive and youngish gals are getting hundreds of messages from hundreds of guys each week, and maybe each day. They don't have time to reply to everyone, nor the time to obviously meet all of us. In addition, many are pretty lazy to meet up and some are actually busy with jobs or school or with life in general. But for smaller cities, my average was much better, probably above 1%.

But once we met in person, then my batting average for eventually doing the deed with them was probably around 70% (of which half happened at that first meet and the other half happened at the next meet). This part all depends on chemistry and your game. When I was active on SA, I was a decent looking guy, not fat, and I think I am normal. If I were using SA today, I am sure my success rate after the first meeting in person would be much lower. For some reason, I have gotten way uglier as I have gotten older. Probably all that drinking wasn't helpful for my looks.

AmericanPi
10-31-23, 15:34
I sometimes Seek in Tijuana. Yeah it's a mixed bag as you'd expect. A lot of escorts cross promote there. But still, some good times.

But it seems like they wiped it clean a few months ago. Like Seeking came in and cleared everyone out and rebooted Tijuana. Anyone else notice that?

FilthyBeaver
11-01-23, 04:22
Not that I live anywhere near there or know anything about it.

There should be a way to filter out that place. I've no interest in crossing or relying on her to cross for a fling. Price savings doesn't matter as I'd rather pay a premium or whatever you want to call it for a 20 something caucasian girl to come to my door.


I sometimes Seek in Tijuana. Yeah it's a mixed bag as you'd expect. A lot of escorts cross promote there. But still, some good times.

But it seems like they wiped it clean a few months ago. Like Seeking came in and cleared everyone out and rebooted Tijuana. Anyone else notice that?

AmericanPi
11-01-23, 16:06
Not that I live anywhere near there or know anything about it.

There should be a way to filter out that place. I've no interest in crossing or relying on her to cross for a fling. Price savings doesn't matter as I'd rather pay a premium or whatever you want to call it for a 20 something caucasian girl to come to my door.Cross? No. I go there. I like it. It's not for everyone. It's seedy and kinda dangerous. But it's an inventive city. It's like a huge gentrification experiment right now where the gentrification is in the 4th inning. Some amazing restaurants and such. But also next to half finished buildings and you have to stay in certain areas.

FilthyBeaver
11-01-23, 23:31
I'm an OG of the area and purposely stay off those boards as I'd be easy to identify. Just like everything else as we age, all I can do is ***** about how it used to be and that's enough to turn me off of taking a trip to the zona. Turns out I spend nominally more at home on SA and get more of what I want for much less hassle. Never been remotely concerned about going there for safety reasons, in fact I'm convinced the calle is probably one of the safest streets on the planet due to the hardward LE carries. The turn off is more about the constant propina, deafening music, sleezy hotels, crowds, and, most importantly, my type is generally not Latina but I have seen girls for months or even years when I found one I liked. Always from Sinaloa if that tells you what my type is.


Cross? No. I go there. I like it. It's not for everyone. It's seedy and kinda dangerous. But it's an inventive city. It's like a huge gentrification experiment right now where the gentrification is in the 4th inning. Some amazing restaurants and such. But also next to half finished buildings and you have to stay in certain areas.

AmericanPi
11-02-23, 03:53
I'm an OG of the area and purposely stay off those boards as I'd be easy to identify. Just like everything else as we age, all I can do is ***** about how it used to be and that's enough to turn me off of taking a trip to the zona. Turns out I spend nominally more at home on SA and get more of what I want for much less hassle. Never been remotely concerned about going there for safety reasons, in fact I'm convinced the calle is probably one of the safest streets on the planet due to the hardward LE carries. The turn off is more about the constant propina, deafening music, sleezy hotels, crowds, and, most importantly, my type is generally not Latina but I have seen girls for months or even years when I found one I liked. Always from Sinaloa if that tells you what my type is.I hear you. And of course, to each his own. But one thing I do like about going is that for a few hour drive from OC you are legitimately visit in a foreign country. And it feels like it. It's a real getaway.

I don't do zona much. It was fun a few times until it wasn't. But I do like Seeking there. I mean you have to wade through the escorts and pros. But there are some good ones mixed in.

Simtel
11-02-23, 06:59
Planning my first trip into CDMX. At the high price point for SA and it looking to still being a 1% numbers game is it really worth it for LA / CDMX? I been lucky with a much higher average using less costly alts in other locations (EU / Asia). Or am I way off based and haven't figured out no one is actually paying the 100/ month? I don't mind spending, I do mind throwing away money like everyone else.

AmericanPi
11-02-23, 14:32
Planning my first trip into CDMX. At the high price point for SA and it looking to still being a 1% numbers game is it really worth it for LA / CDMX? I been lucky with a much higher average using less costly alts in other locations (EU / Asia). Or am I way off based and haven't figured out no one is actually paying the 100/ month? I don't mind spending, I do mind throwing away money like everyone else.A lot of us don't spend 1200/ yr. We just sign up to collect numbers when we go somewhere. Maybe 400/ yr.

But to me that's easily worth it. It's not even a question. It's expensive but it's kind of the only game in town for this sort of thing.

Gfefan
11-02-23, 16:45
Never been to CDMX. So, no comment there.

SA has been lot useful to me in EU. Less in US. However, it does produce outcomes. Requires work.

I don't pay 100 every month. I sign up, contact all the girls I "favorited" during non-sign up, chat, get numbers, operate off the phone and let subscripton expire. 3 or 4 months later, if I need fresh, I sign up again and repeat cycle.

Seeking usually sends you promo once you cancel subscription.

It's a lot of work, yes.


Planning my first trip into CDMX. At the high price point for SA and it looking to still being a 1% numbers game is it really worth it for LA / CDMX? I been lucky with a much higher average using less costly alts in other locations (EU / Asia). Or am I way off based and haven't figured out no one is actually paying the 100/ month? I don't mind spending, I do mind throwing away money like everyone else.

Steve 9696
11-02-23, 23:24
Planning my first trip into CDMX. At the high price point for SA and it looking to still being a 1% numbers game is it really worth it for LA / CDMX? I been lucky with a much higher average using less costly alts in other locations (EU / Asia). Or am I way off based and haven't figured out no one is actually paying the 100/ month? I don't mind spending, I do mind throwing away money like everyone else.Seeking is worth it if you visit places where it's not easy to get pussy in a brothel or club format. Not worth it in Germany or Thailand or Brazil for example. But if u are looking for pussy in USA or CDMX or Buenos Aires then it's indispensable. CDMX does not have good options other than massage format which is not my game. I had good success with SA there but it's not cheap. And I'm one of the few that loves the shopping and chitty chat on Seeking.

And the browsing can lead to greatness. That led to for example me shopping Madrid despite a great club and brothel scene there. And that lead to meeting the only legit ten I've ever encountered. And subsequently flying her to spend 4 days with said goddess in Athens. And I can now with a straight face say I had a legit ten as my girlfriend in all ways (for a short time). Would not have happened without an active subscription and nothing better to do than browse and chat up the girls. So it has unexpected side effects.

Vendelo
11-07-23, 00:13
Seeking is worth it if you visit places where it's not easy to get pussy in a brothel or club format. Not worth it in Germany or Thailand or Brazil for example. But if u are looking for pussy in USA or CDMX or Buenos Aires then it's indispensable. CDMX does not have good options other than massage format which is not my game. I had good success with SA there but it's not cheap. And I'm one of the few that loves the shopping and chitty chat on Seeking.

And the browsing can lead to greatness. That led to for example me shopping Madrid despite a great club and brothel scene there. And that lead to meeting the only legit ten I've ever encountered. And subsequently flying her to spend 4 days with said goddess in Athens. And I can now with a straight face say I had a legit ten as my girlfriend in all ways (for a short time). Would not have happened without an active subscription and nothing better to do than browse and chat up the girls. So it has unexpected side effects.If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Steve 9696
11-07-23, 04:46
If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.You know. You are right. Girlfriends can be moody, bitchy, and deny you sex because they aren't in the mood. No. She was definitely not my girlfriend. 😂.

FilthyBeaver
11-07-23, 04:53
I'm not going to argue that particular situation but I most definitely have had gfs from Seeking. We've had exclusivity talks, spent days together, swapped std test results, and texted throughout the day for months on end while the relationship lasted. Yes I gave her money, sometimes more than we agreed to, but it is no different (in my mind) than seeing a girl my own age that didn't have her act together and constantly needed money except that I'd never see a girl my own age without her act together. There are as many reasons as there are girls out there for being on that site and some just want stability with an older guy. I had a beautiful girl half my age (literally) talk about marriage which scared the hell out of me causing me to pull back because I didn't want to hurt her. Call it what you want, in my book it's a GF / relationship. To be fair, I've also been more engaged than she was and gotten hurt so reality isn't lost on me but it's definitely possible to have a real GF from there. I've said this a million times but for the most part money isn't the driving factor for most of the girls there. There are just too many guys and too many options for them. They need to like you on some (or several other) levels and God bless them when they do. If I could tell my 17 year old self what I'd be getting away with when I was three times that age I probably would have kicked my own ass for lying to me.


If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.

AmericanPi
11-07-23, 15:27
If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.I respect the experiences of others on this thread and their commitment to the long game on some relationships. And that they can go further than the one night thing or fling. But I agree with you. I've said this here too.

I think the "but for" test applies.

If she would not be there but for your donation, she's your SB not your girlfriend.

Just like.

If they would not listen to your troubles but for your payment, it's your therapist not your confidant.

If you pay him, he's your personal trainer not your workout buddy. It doesn't mean you didn't enjoy going to the concert together and didn't have his family over for Christmas dinner and swapped Yuletides. It's just a definitional thing.

The Cane
11-07-23, 15:47
If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.The way I see it, pussy always comes to a man with a payment attached to it. It may be a little, or it may be a lot, but payment is most definitely a part of it. It's just that we call the pussy different things (wife, mistress, girlfriend, sugar baby, prostitute, and so on) depending on the situation and set of circumstances involved. But any way you cut it, a man is always paying for the pussy! So according to my way of thinking, a "girlfriend" can indeed be some pussy you're paying for. Lord knows that over the years I shelled out plenty of money on "girlfriends". What the woman is to you just depends on the specific circumstances and details that define the relationship. But no matter because we're always paying bro. One way or the other. We're always paying! Society promotes paying under certain arrangements (wives) while discourages and even criminalizes paying under others (tutes). And then there's everything else in between. Either way? You pay.

MiamiBoy1
11-07-23, 17:29
If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.Not only that. Other important factors to consider:

Were you introduced to her family and friends? If not, she is not your GF.

Does she post about you on social media or you are always "behind the scenes" (as most sugar daddies paying for them trips)?

Do you live in the same city and share the same household? Let"s be realistic here, if you don't live in her town full time and only come down there for a week or two per year, chances are you are not in a relationship. And you both know that whatever you have is a short-term thing and most likely, not an exclusive one. You have zero control of each other's life if you don't live in the same city and don't share the same household. This is why I call BS when somebody says "I have multiple girlfriends in different countries". No dumbass, they are your SB's or fuck buddies, not your girlfriends, simply because you both are not committed.

Midwestern
11-10-23, 12:55
The other day, while my SB was riding me in reverse CG, I sat up and pushed her head down, so she was now pretty much in k9. While in my sitting position, with my legs spread in front of me on the bed, I started thrusting and the penetration was deep. I've never done this position before and I would be surprised if it didn't have a name. It was a great position.

Steve 9696
11-10-23, 20:49
This is long but a very worthy listen of a divorce lawyers perspective on marriage and monogamy and a lot of related cultural issues. The first ten minutes are great but I ended up listening to the whole thing. And he has some gems as late as 50 minutes in about the Ten Commandments for example. Just a very engaging guy who puts a lot of stuff in perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5z8-9Op2nM&t=47s&ab_channel=SoftWhiteUnderbelly

Hat tip to Bearsi who posted this in a Brasil thread on another topic.

Steve 9696
11-10-23, 21:39
The other day, while my SB was riding me in reverse CG, I sat up and pushed her head down, so she was now pretty much in k9. While in my sitting position, with my legs spread in front of me on the bed, I started thrusting and the penetration was deep. I've never done this position before and I would be surprised if it didn't have a name. It was a great position.Dunno. But I've taken to naming things after the originator. Learned the "on your knees pillow under her butt missionary" from fellow ISGer Andy. So I call it The Andy. My fave which is her on her back at edge of bed, you standing I call The Steve (because like urs it didn't seem to have a name ó since had an SB tell me some people call it Stand and Deliver. LOL.). And her on her side blowing you and you FIV I call Steve 2. One of my faves! So we can call this the Midwestern! 😋 I may have to give it a try!

Elvis 2008
11-11-23, 02:53
If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.If you go on 3 dates at 4 hours a date, and your time is worth $200 an hour, aren't you paying more than if you just paid a porn star $1500 for an hour? Hell, if you worked eight of those 12 hours, you would come out ahead.

One of the dumb mantras on the site here is that line because it assumes everyone is the same and that women are only interested in money. If you are retired and are not capable of earning money, you can pay with time and brag about how little you spend.

If you do not see a woman for months and show up at her doorstep with money, is she going to fuck you? The answer is likely no if she has a BF and unlikely if she has a possessive SD, so money is not just enough. You have to pay with time too.

I give my gal $500 a month so she didn't have to work, and guys here are like I am giving her a million dollars. Still, her #1 concern is not how much I give her but how often I can see her. She wants to be with me 24-7.

If she were a hooker, money not my being with her would be her #1 concern.

And ironically I would be ahead financially if she cared more about money and less about time given the travel expenses and lost wages.

One of my gal's friends is engaged to an American but he only sees her like once every six months. Maybe his job is such that he cannot leave. I don't know. She is really hot, and I suspect he supports her because she does not have a job. Still even though she is engaged, she came onto a friend of mine because IMO she was not getting her sexual, companionship, and emotional needs met.

If you have a GF and you just pay her and do not spend time with her, and she is happy with that then I would say you have a hooker and not a GF.

For me, helping out an in demand woman financially is a bare minimum. It is like not smelling disgusting when you are near her. Why does no one ever say, "Don't shower for six months and see if she stays. " To me, it is literally the same thing.

Gfefan
11-11-23, 19:18
Had a score in the US.

Been chatting this girl for over a month. Let's call her be.

We were supposed to have met long ago but something came up for her. Met last night finally. She walks in and I'm like "wow. I want to do this one tonight".

Drinks / dinner, amazing talks, chemistry. We speak about allowance but didn't have explicit agreement.

After 3 hours at dinner table, we move it to my place. More drinks and try initite. She backs away and wants to agree on ppm. Little but of a turn off but we agree on 700. Way too high but what the heck. I have a 8/9 in my room. Let's go. She wanted condoms but I talked her out of it.

To the bed, she straps me, kneels in front, a decent BJ. We kiss, we make out. Then, she kinda forces me to sit on the bed edge, and goes in to straddle me. Takes me all the way in while I'm chewing up her beautiful nipples. She rides me like crazy. We swap to a little bit doggy, then Mish. I pound her. She screams and asks me to come inside. I wasn't sure. She says she is on BC and wants me cum inside. For whatever reason, I just pulled out and came on her tummy.

Maybe she did not like it. I don't know. Wiped clean, went for a shower. Then, we had another drink. I try round 2 but she says she has a weird tummy pain.

We go to sleep. She stayed over (kinda told me she doesn't want to drive drunk).

Next morning, we wake up and I try again. Same atory. She says her tummy hurts. And left.

I have never paid 700 for a single fuck. Sitting here, I don't know what to make out of this. Don't know if I will repeat. Optics are great but some bedroom chemistry missing. Off bedroom chemistry is great.

What do ya'll think?

Steve 9696
11-11-23, 19:45
Had a score in the US.

Been chatting this girl for over a month. Let's call her be.

We were supposed to have met long ago but something came up for her. Met last night finally. She walks in and I'm like "wow. I want to do this one tonight".

Drinks / dinner, amazing talks, chemistry. We speak about allowance but didn't have explicit agreement.

After 3 hours at dinner table, we move it to my place. More drinks and try initite. She backs away and wants to agree on ppm. Little but of a turn off but we agree on 700. Way too high but what the heck. I have a 8/9 in my room. Let's go. She wanted condoms but I talked her out of it.

To the bed, she straps me, kneels in front, a decent BJ. We kiss, we make out. Then, she kinda forces me to sit on the bed edge, and goes in to straddle me. Takes me all the way in while I'm chewing up her beautiful nipples. She rides me like crazy. We swap to a little bit doggy, then Mish. I pound her. She screams and asks me to come inside. I wasn't sure. She says she is on BC and wants me cum inside. For whatever reason, I just pulled out and came on her tummy.

Maybe she did not like it. I don't know. Wiped clean, went for a shower. Then, we had another drink. I try round 2 but she says she has a weird tummy pain.

We go to sleep. She stayed over (kinda told me she doesn't want to drive drunk).

Next morning, we wake up and I try again. Same atory. She says her tummy hurts. And left.

I have never paid 700 for a single fuck. Sitting here, I don't know what to make out of this. Don't know if I will repeat. Optics are great but some bedroom chemistry missing. Off bedroom chemistry is great.

What do ya'll think?Sounds like u don't regret it which is good. But $700 just hurts my head. I know the US has gone crazy but I still won't go over 500 in the US no matter what. It's just a moral line I've drawn. 😋 The key problem is she's acting a bit entitled. For 700 baby you suck it up and get it done a second time even if your tummy hurts.

I remember with Thifany in London (of course a Brasileira without entitlement issues) where we were out dancing till 4 AM but had to quit because she was throwing up in the ladies toilet. Nonetheless when we got home we fucked and she took a hot load of CIM. That's a girl who knows how this works!

Now we can't have Brasileiras and home runs all the time and the US sucks. So I suppose good that you got to fire bareback with a hottie. But any hint of entitlement just turns me off. Yes she's entitled to her 700 and you are entitled to treat her like your fuck toy at that rate IMO.

PS Reminds me why I always discuss price first these days. Iíve gotten lucky a couple times but mostly negotiating with a loaded weapon in ur pants is not a great idea.

The Cane
11-11-23, 19:45
What do ya'll think?That you should have "nutted" in her.

Midwestern
11-12-23, 14:35
She let you bareback her and she seemed to be into the sex and into you. +1.

She is an 8/9. +1.

However, she did not want to go multiple rounds. -1.

You paid 700, which is a semi-crazy high price. To me, this is a wash, because this is also your fault too for paying too much.

And so, if it were me, I would see her a couple of more times and then tell her bye-bye because 700 is too much. Maybe she will like you by then, and she cuts the price to 500.

My 2 cents.


Had a score in the US.

Been chatting this girl for over a month. Let's call her be.

We were supposed to have met long ago but something came up for her. Met last night finally. She walks in and I'm like "wow. I want to do this one tonight".

Drinks / dinner, amazing talks, chemistry. We speak about allowance but didn't have explicit agreement.

After 3 hours at dinner table, we move it to my place. More drinks and try initite. She backs away and wants to agree on ppm. Little but of a turn off but we agree on 700. Way too high but what the heck. I have a 8/9 in my room. Let's go. She wanted condoms but I talked her out of it.

To the bed, she straps me, kneels in front, a decent BJ. We kiss, we make out. Then, she kinda forces me to sit on the bed edge, and goes in to straddle me. Takes me all the way in while I'm chewing up her beautiful nipples. She rides me like crazy. We swap to a little bit doggy, then Mish. I pound her. She screams and asks me to come inside. I wasn't sure. She says she is on BC and wants me cum inside. For whatever reason, I just pulled out and came on her tummy.

Maybe she did not like it. I don't know. Wiped clean, went for a shower. Then, we had another drink. I try round 2 but she says she has a weird tummy pain.

We go to sleep. She stayed over (kinda told me she doesn't want to drive drunk).

Next morning, we wake up and I try again. Same atory. She says her tummy hurts. And left.

I have never paid 700 for a single fuck. Sitting here, I don't know what to make out of this. Don't know if I will repeat. Optics are great but some bedroom chemistry missing. Off bedroom chemistry is great.

What do ya'll think?

Midwestern
11-12-23, 14:37
Hahaha! I am honored to have a position named after me in your book.


Dunno. But I've taken to naming things after the originator. Learned the "on your knees pillow under her butt missionary" from fellow ISGer Andy. So I call it The Andy. My fave which is her on her back at edge of bed, you standing I call The Steve (because like urs it didn't seem to have a name since had an SB tell me some people call it Stand and Deliver. LOL.). And her on her side blowing you and you FIV I call Steve 2. One of my faves! So we can call this the Midwestern! 😋 I may have to give it a try!

AmericanPi
11-12-23, 15:36
Sounds like u don't regret it which is good. But $700 just hurts my head. I know the US has gone crazy but I still won't go over 500 in the US no matter what. It's just a moral line I've drawn. 😋 The key problem is she's acting a bit entitled. For 700 baby you suck it up and get it done a second time even if your tummy hurts.I offer 600 in SoCal. But I've started cutting corners on hotels and restaurants. Just realized that girls appreciate the fine dining, but they don't really need it. And only the most spoiled know the names of the Michelin spots anyways. Most girls are happy with a 28 dollar plate of food and a few drinks. And a Hilton."

Elvis 2008
11-12-23, 16:07
This is long but a very worthy listen of a divorce lawyers perspective on marriage and monogamy and a lot of related cultural issues. The first ten minutes are great but I ended up listening to the whole thing. And he has some gems as late as 50 minutes in about the Ten Commandments for example. Just a very engaging guy who puts a lot of stuff in perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5z8-9Op2nM&t=47s&ab_channel=SoftWhiteUnderbelly

Hat tip to Bearsi who posted this in a Brasil thread on another topic.I put that video on and could not stop watching it. Thanks for sharing it.

On the 10 commandments thing, though, in Biblical times, men would fuck their slaves if their wives could not give them kids. So adultery was fucking a woman that you did not own or rent. It was not about monogamy. It was really about theft and taking something that was not yours.

And thou shall not covet really has more to do with jealousy than sex. A person could say both were about resisting temptation, and I would agree with that, but there is not Biblical condemnation for not being monogamous and there is not Biblical condemnation for paying for sex. That is modern morality not Biblical morality.

What I liked most is this lawyer talking about a woman who quit having sex with her husband and was shocked when he cheated, and the lawyer is like, what did you expect? Then the other part about it that was great was saying, what does a man having sex with other women have to do with being a father? It was great stuff.

I saw this video service and was intrigued by the channel. There were other offerings but this one got me about a brothel owner named Freddy. He really ran an escort agency more than was a brothel owner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM

What struck me about this was how ethical this guy Freddy was and how much he cared about women and how hard he worked in comparison to the absolute shitbags in government. The government seized $10 million of his. Where did it go? Why did the state's attorney want this guy's client list so badly? Did he the want it so he could blackmail his way into a higher office?

But this guy Freddy is amazing. I would have love to have been one of his clients.

Steve 9696
11-12-23, 16:10
I offer 600 in SoCal. But I've started cutting corners on hotels and restaurants. Just realized that girls appreciate the fine dining, but they don't really need it. And only the most spoiled know the names of the Michelin spots anyways. Most girls are happy with a 28 dollar plate of food and a few drinks. And a Hilton."Yeah So Cal is a tough gig. Expensive to live there and lots of entitled pussy. I found a couple great girls that would take 5 but it was def a lot of work. In the end I figured I could fly Sue from London and over the four days it would come out less than four days of Cali girls. LOL. And of course a great life experience for her. Didn't work out perfect in the end but I don't really regret it either. She's a great girl and I enjoyed our time together.

FilthyBeaver
11-12-23, 19:39
I've paid 700 regularly and didn't see her anywhere near as much as I would have liked, always busy, school, work, blah blah blah. Sex was amazing & chemistry in out personalities was incredible. Was worth every bit of what I gave her especially since she initially asked for even more than that. For me she was the total package and the $200 difference I was giving her vs $500 for a "regular" girl or whatever your "normal" price is meant a lot more to her than it did to me. We had dates where sex wouldn't happen for whatever reason and it never bothered me much because I enjoyed her company so much.


Had a score in the US.

Been chatting this girl for over a month. Let's call her be.

We were supposed to have met long ago but something came up for her. Met last night finally. She walks in and I'm like "wow. I want to do this one tonight".

Drinks / dinner, amazing talks, chemistry. We speak about allowance but didn't have explicit agreement.

After 3 hours at dinner table, we move it to my place. More drinks and try initite. She backs away and wants to agree on ppm. Little but of a turn off but we agree on 700. Way too high but what the heck. I have a 8/9 in my room. Let's go. She wanted condoms but I talked her out of it.

To the bed, she straps me, kneels in front, a decent BJ. We kiss, we make out. Then, she kinda forces me to sit on the bed edge, and goes in to straddle me. Takes me all the way in while I'm chewing up her beautiful nipples. She rides me like crazy. We swap to a little bit doggy, then Mish. I pound her. She screams and asks me to come inside. I wasn't sure. She says she is on BC and wants me cum inside. For whatever reason, I just pulled out and came on her tummy.

Maybe she did not like it. I don't know. Wiped clean, went for a shower. Then, we had another drink. I try round 2 but she says she has a weird tummy pain.

We go to sleep. She stayed over (kinda told me she doesn't want to drive drunk).

Next morning, we wake up and I try again. Same atory. She says her tummy hurts. And left.

I have never paid 700 for a single fuck. Sitting here, I don't know what to make out of this. Don't know if I will repeat. Optics are great but some bedroom chemistry missing. Off bedroom chemistry is great.

What do ya'll think?

The Cane
11-12-23, 19:44
I saw this video service and was intrigued by the channel. There were other offerings but this one got me about a brothel owner named Freddy. He really ran an escort agency more than was a brothel owner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM

What struck me about this was how ethical this guy Freddy was and how much he cared about women and how hard he worked in comparison to the absolute shitbags in government. The government seized $10 million of his. Where did it go? Why did the state's attorney want this guy's client list so badly? Did he the want it so he could blackmail his way into a higher office?

But this guy Freddy is amazing. I would have love to have been one of his clients.I watched the one with "Freddy" too. Very interesting, including that he said a couple of lawyers with the District Attorney's office were clients of his as well LOL! Not a surprise at all. But, like one of the comments to the video noted, I would like to hear from some of the girls who worked for him to hear what they have to say about Freddy and how he ran the business and treated them. Just to get perspectives other than his own on how things were and what went down. But, he certainly does come across as shooting straight though. Thing is, plenty of scumbags are good at doing that! I wonder what others who know him and who dealt with him would have to say about dealing with Mr. Freddy?

The Cane
11-12-23, 20:01
Just realized that girls appreciate the fine dining, but they don't really need it. And only the most spoiled know the names of the Michelin spots anyways. Most girls are happy with a 28 dollar plate of food and a few drinks. And a Hilton."Yeah, there's absolutely no need to be taking these girls to highbrow places to eat. When I was out there on SA, I found places offering meals from $25 to $50 per person max (drinks included) were fine. Stick to that plus $500 max on the "allowance" (I got away with $250 to bareback and sperm inside of a blue-eyed, blonde hottie) and a decent 3-star to 4-star hotel (I saved money on that too since we were fucking at my place), and you should be good! And if that isn't satisfactory enough for a spoiled, self-entitled baby, including $500 per meet max on the allowance, then I say walk until you find someone who will take that deal. For me $700 would definitely be too much. Then she's going to turnaround and not want to satisfy my sexual desire for her? I don't think so! Dude should have "nutted" in that pretty chick while the getting was good, then tell her to gets to stepping! Unless she agreed to lower her asking price. Then maybe another go. But other than that, it's done! Next!

Gfefan
11-12-23, 20:42
Not a bad idea.

I checked in on her but keeping minimal. She says she is better.

Went on to add that she ordered the books we discussed. Both of us are into reading which brought out some off bedroom chemistry.

I think few meets and I could slash the price. But, either way, if she doesn't fuck at least 3 or 4 times on a full night date, I'm out.

My preferred is dinner, drinks, fuck, then fuck again. Sleep.

Wake up, morning wood, fuck. Then, breakfast. Fuck, shower and leave.

If that doesn't work. Not worth my money.


She let you bareback her and she seemed to be into the sex and into you. +1.

She is an 8/9. +1.

However, she did not want to go multiple rounds. -1.

You paid 700, which is a semi-crazy high price. To me, this is a wash, because this is also your fault too for paying too much.

And so, if it were me, I would see her a couple of more times and then tell her bye-bye because 700 is too much. Maybe she will like you by then, and she cuts the price to 500.

My 2 cents.

Akibono
11-13-23, 01:54
Not a bad idea.

I checked in on her but keeping minimal. She says she is better.

Went on to add that she ordered the books we discussed. Both of us are into reading which brought out some off bedroom chemistry.

I think few meets and I could slash the price. But, either way, if she doesn't fuck at least 3 or 4 times on a full night date, I'm out.

My preferred is dinner, drinks, fuck, then fuck again. Sleep.

Wake up, morning wood, fuck. Then, breakfast. Fuck, shower and leave.

If that doesn't work. Not worth my money.Dream on. It ain't going to happen. Based on what she got away with, no way she will let you treat her like that. GPS.

FilthyBeaver
11-13-23, 03:20
Jesus christ I couldn't do that when I was 20. The thought of it now makes my back hurt and my dick sore. Good for you if you can pull this off.


Not a bad idea.

I checked in on her but keeping minimal. She says she is better.

Went on to add that she ordered the books we discussed. Both of us are into reading which brought out some off bedroom chemistry.

I think few meets and I could slash the price. But, either way, if she doesn't fuck at least 3 or 4 times on a full night date, I'm out.

My preferred is dinner, drinks, fuck, then fuck again. Sleep.

Wake up, morning wood, fuck. Then, breakfast. Fuck, shower and leave.

If that doesn't work. Not worth my money.

Midwestern
11-13-23, 14:24
She won't go for this, as she has already revealed that she has some self esteem.


Not a bad idea.

I checked in on her but keeping minimal. She says she is better.

Went on to add that she ordered the books we discussed. Both of us are into reading which brought out some off bedroom chemistry.

I think few meets and I could slash the price. But, either way, if she doesn't fuck at least 3 or 4 times on a full night date, I'm out.

My preferred is dinner, drinks, fuck, then fuck again. Sleep.

Wake up, morning wood, fuck. Then, breakfast. Fuck, shower and leave.

If that doesn't work. Not worth my money..

Gfefan
11-13-23, 19:15
Yet to gain any traction on price point but on the fuck point, she has already texted me back that "I would like to make more rounds. My body just didn't cooperate that day".


She won't go for this, as she has already revealed that she has some self esteem.

.

Gfefan
11-13-23, 19:16
I'm only in my 40's.

Eventually, it will give in but for now, enjoying while it lasts.


Jesus christ I couldn't do that when I was 20. The thought of it now makes my back hurt and my dick sore. Good for you if you can pull this off.

FishMongerC
11-13-23, 19:36
Back in 2013-ish, while visiting an FKK, I had negotiated with a lady to have 1 round every hour. For 8 consecutive hours. I wanted to see her overnight but had to catch a flight. I was in my 30 ths then. That is still my record.


I'm only in my 40's.

Eventually, it will give in but for now, enjoying while it lasts.

FilthyBeaver
11-14-23, 05:00
I think in my mid twenties I could go twice a night. I'm not questioning your comment I'm just wondering how? As horny as I've ever been I'd maybe squeeze off two. Am I normal? Are you normal? Are either of us abnormal? My Dr started checking my testosterone levels in my yearly physical blood work and it was in the toilet when I was 40 and who knows how low it was for how long before that. I wonder if that has something to do with it. I've got the money and discipline to pretty much nail the hottest girls I can possibly find (I won't settle for anything other than super hot in my book) and I just don't see how you guys can do this all night.


Back in 2013-ish, while visiting an FKK, I had negotiated with a lady to have 1 round every hour. For 8 consecutive hours. I wanted to see her overnight but had to catch a flight. I was in my 30 ths then. That is still my record.

Midwestern
11-14-23, 13:21
If she does this then she's worth it and a keeper.

Bareback, and she's into you, and she's at least an 8!


Not a bad idea.

I checked in on her but keeping minimal. She says she is better.

Went on to add that she ordered the books we discussed. Both of us are into reading which brought out some off bedroom chemistry.

I think few meets and I could slash the price. But, either way, if she doesn't fuck at least 3 or 4 times on a full night date, I'm out.

My preferred is dinner, drinks, fuck, then fuck again. Sleep.

Wake up, morning wood, fuck. Then, breakfast. Fuck, shower and leave.

If that doesn't work. Not worth my money.

FishMongerC
11-14-23, 15:57
There are some things you can do to enhance your experience. Go the gym regularly. Do cardio or some sports. I like to play a lot of racquet sports with weights at the gym and light yoga / stretching it helps. All these help raise your testosterone levels. Then eat healthily too. I enjoy my occasional steak and hamburger, but I eat a lot of fruits, veggies. I also took ED medication which helps a great deal.

Now in my 40's I find I can only really handle twice maybe 3 times per night. But my experience was quite unique in that I had tasked her with pleasing me so many times. Her payment was dependent on that so she had a huge incentive to keep me going. And it worked and I was lucky I found someone so compliant.

After that FKK experience, I had met other SB's and I tried negotiating the same or near similar situation with a huge bonus to their PPM. I suggested to them if they make me orgasm 6 times in one overnight I will double will their PPM. No SB ever could manage.


I think in my mid twenties I could go twice a night. I'm not questioning your comment I'm just wondering how? As horny as I've ever been I'd maybe squeeze off two. Am I normal? Are you normal? Are either of us abnormal? My Dr started checking my testosterone levels in my yearly physical blood work and it was in the toilet when I was 40 and who knows how low it was for how long before that. I wonder if that has something to do with it. I've got the money and discipline to pretty much nail the hottest girls I can possibly find (I won't settle for anything other than super hot in my book) and I just don't see how you guys can do this all night.

Gfefan
11-14-23, 19:57
Similar habits here.

I play competitive sports (used to be a pro but no longer). No meat, hardly any fried food (yes, I have my cheat meals), lots of veggies and fruits. Quit smoking long time ago. Cutting down on alcohol (reduced intake to about 30% of what it was 3 years ago).

Yoga, swimming, running.

That's it. I don't do anything special to be able to fuck so many times. But, I can tell you that I fuck a lot less than I did 5 years ago. So, it is declining. I can only kick the can down the road.


There are some things you can do to enhance your experience. Go the gym regularly. Do cardio or some sports. I like to play a lot of racquet sports with weights at the gym and light yoga / stretching it helps. All these help raise your testosterone levels. Then eat healthily too. I enjoy my occasional steak and hamburger, but I eat a lot of fruits, veggies. I also took ED medication which helps a great deal.

Now in my 40's I find I can only really handle twice maybe 3 times per night. But my experience was quite unique in that I had tasked her with pleasing me so many times. Her payment was dependent on that so she had a huge incentive to keep me going. And it worked and I was lucky I found someone so compliant.

After that FKK experience, I had met other SB's and I tried negotiating the same or near similar situation with a huge bonus to their PPM. I suggested to them if they make me orgasm 6 times in one overnight I will double will their PPM. No SB ever could manage.

Gfefan
11-14-23, 20:02
Thanks to both of you on the advice.

Decided to drop the new hottie. Keeping her warm, though.

Going ahead with my regular because I owe her this one. She has been having a rough time and she just wants to see me and relax. I'm happy to do that for her because she has become a friend of mine over the years.

And, yes, we fuck like dogs.

No PPM, no transactions, no pressure on anything. She and I are absolutely just ourselves with each other.

We are intending to hit some swinger clubs and see how it goes.


I agree. A 3 some is very unlikely to occur. I suggest you try meeting new Girl 2 in the afternoon. Remember you haven't met her so she might be a disappointment. Have you video called her yet to see she is real? You can never truly know until you meet them, but a few video calls helps mitigate that risk.

So meet new Girl 2 in the early afternoon. If she is really amazing, ditch girl 1. But only if she is really an upgrade to girl 1.

I've juggled seeing 2 girls in the same day separately, and while stressful it can work well. Always have the more secure girl later in the day, and the less secure girl earlier. Atleast that's how I did it.

GoingDumb
11-15-23, 23:31
Had a score in the US.

Been chatting this girl for over a month. Let's call her be.

We were supposed to have met long ago but something came up for her. Met last night finally. She walks in and I'm like "wow. I want to do this one tonight".

Drinks / dinner, amazing talks, chemistry. We speak about allowance but didn't have explicit agreement.

After 3 hours at dinner table, we move it to my place. More drinks and try initite. She backs away and wants to agree on ppm. Little but of a turn off but we agree on 700. Way too high but what the heck. I have a 8/9 in my room. Let's go. She wanted condoms but I talked her out of it.

To the bed, she straps me, kneels in front, a decent BJ. We kiss, we make out. Then, she kinda forces me to sit on the bed edge, and goes in to straddle me. Takes me all the way in while I'm chewing up her beautiful nipples. She rides me like crazy. We swap to a little bit doggy, then Mish. I pound her. She screams and asks me to come inside. I wasn't sure. She says she is on BC and wants me cum inside. For whatever reason, I just pulled out and came on her tummy.

Maybe she did not like it. I don't know. Wiped clean, went for a shower. Then, we had another drink. I try round 2 but she says she has a weird tummy pain.

We go to sleep. She stayed over (kinda told me she doesn't want to drive drunk).

Next morning, we wake up and I try again. Same atory. She says her tummy hurts. And left.

I have never paid 700 for a single fuck. Sitting here, I don't know what to make out of this. Don't know if I will repeat. Optics are great but some bedroom chemistry missing. Off bedroom chemistry is great.

What do ya'll think?Do you usually wait to address ppm? I always worry about this so try to bring up allowance / ppm before we meet. Which part of the US was it? I'm guessing coastal.

Gfefan
11-15-23, 23:58
No. Normally, I don't wait. I sort it within an hour of first M&G.

This was a fucking 3 hour dinner / drinks. It was so enjoyable our convo.

The ppm point did come up, she mentioned 800, and I said "ouch. That's beyond me". We had a few words and then, flipped back to other enjoyable convo. We both let it slide.

And, yes. Coastal. West.

To be Honest, nothing against tech folks but I see that any tech heavy city I go to, the prices are unrealistic and the platinum pussy syndrome becomes more frequent.


Do you usually wait to address ppm? I always worry about this so try to bring up allowance / ppm before we meet. Which part of the US was it? I'm guessing coastal.

Elvis 2008
11-16-23, 00:16
Just to get perspectives other than his own on how things were and what went down.Three people in comments section said they knew him, two comments good, one not so good.


But, like one of the comments to the video noted, I would like to hear from some of the girls who worked for him to hear what they have to say about Freddy and how he ran the business and treated them.I would have liked to have seen that too, but I doubt any of the woman would like to be identified.

Elvis 2008
11-16-23, 00:28
After that FKK experience, I had met other SB's and I tried negotiating the same or near similar situation with a huge bonus to their PPM. I suggested to them if they make me orgasm 6 times in one overnight I will double will their PPM. No SB ever could manage.LOL. I like the incentive plan. I cannot imagine sex these days without ED medicine. With my ex wife, she even got to the point of suggesting I take it.

I have found stimulants make me hornier and make for more sperm production. Diet is huge. Any time I cut down on meals and especially bread I have better sex and can go longer.

There is this SSRI you can buy from India that is supposed to make you last longer but it cut down on my hardness instead. Actually, good old ibuprofen makes me last longer. Sleeping pills do the same but I am prone to want to sleep as opposed to bang.

A guy on line bragged about celery juice making your load larger. I tried it and it worked. Funny thing is I did not enjoy the orgasm as much when my load was big. Nonetheless, I ordered it by the case at first.

My mother came over, looked in the fridge, and saw all the celery juice, and she said, "What's up with all the celery juice?" I was like, "Uh, I like the taste mom."

Truth is if you put the celery juice on ice, it is not too bad. It is kind of like eating cardboard with chocolate syrup.

GoingDumb
11-16-23, 01:28
Anyone tried seeking in NZ? Any luck?

Steve 9696
11-16-23, 02:33
Had a friend asking about Baires (what the girls call it) Seeking scene and dug up this report from two years back. It's a fun read and some pretty good advice at the end. Hope it's useful / fun for one or more of you.

Buenos Aires is pretty well known to be not great for P4 P. Last time I was there I was exclusively with a Seeking Girl named Valentina and it was marvelous. So I went purely the Seeking route this time as well.

It actually can be a bit tricky the way I play it because I'm not the kinda guy who sets up redundant dates and such. I really try to be honest with the girls, including that I am only in town a couple days (usually break this news later) and so the logistics can be hard to ensure you don't end up with a date with Mr Hand. (Never have fwiw).

I started 6 weeks out. Not because that is a good idea but just because I always get excited and start browsing and one thing leads to another. I had probably 5-6 girls on pretty active chat up until about two weeks before, but let some of those fade as I focused in on two girls Becca and Lucia.

Both of these girls have GREAT English and both really fun to chat with. In the end Lucia edged out Becca by just being a bit more engaged. I think I stopped being active with Becca a few days before the trip and she was not actively courting me.

Once in town, Lucia was a bit tough to pin down on date time that evening. Got a bit worried and in fact pinged Becca that first day thinking Lucia was bagging. Becca was really nice about me springing a same day date on her but said she couldn't that first night but she could night two, so I kept this warm. I wasn't in a panic, having just banged 7 girls in Colombia (see Medellin thread soon) but I would lament an empty night nonetheless.

In the end, Lucia came through and turned out to be an amazing pick. From her pictures you could see that she was very pretty and she'the sent some unfiltered shots. Like a solid 8. But when we met at the restaurant I about dropped a load on the floor. A 10 face for me no lie. And her bod turned out to be a 9 for sure. Home run in the optics dept.

Dinner and a walk around Puerto Madero were amazing. So easy and comfortable. Two hours completely flew by! Some light kissing as the Uber arrives. Back in the room it was an OK experience but nothing to write home about. She is super beautiful but either awkward or pro trying to get straight to fucking with no BJ and really not too much effort when I went soft. 10 face 9 body and 5 in the bed. Boo a little disappointed in the end because otherwise this girl is a rockstar. But overall had a great night despite the lame sex!

We planned to meetup again the next night but I was a bit lukewarm. And she was pretty difficult about staying in touch. It wasn't clear whether we were on or off. And this was a bit of a theme with her once in town.

So about 2 Pm or so I ping Becca because Lucia is unsure. But Becca says family matters came up and she can't. At four I send Lucia a message that I want to meet her no matter what time and I can tell she's read it. No response so now onto plan see! Can't wait forever.

I start spamming all the girls I had moved to WhatApp chat but let fizzle. Probably 5-7 girls. Plus I start hitting new Seeking girls with "I going out to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" (I've used this before with success) and get 3 or 4 convos started.

But as luck would have it one of my WhatsApp girls comes back and says she'the love too. She was like number five on my list so clearly keeping a deep bench is a key strategic move. So now it's on with Meli. Woo hoo! Really quite a coup to get an 8 o'clock date at 4 o'clock! Wow. Stoked.

It turns out Meli could use a new photographer. Because she's a solid 8 with amazing natural firm the or DD cups. Beautiful face and bubbly and fun at dinner.

I feel a little bad but I use the exact same playbook as the prior night, because making reservations over the phone in Spanish is not my forte. So same restaurant leading to same walk and same Uber pickup. Dinner is quite different though because she doesn't speak a lick of English. We laugh a ton using Google translate. And her trying to say English words is nothing short of comedic. She is sooooo bad. Just literally cannot pronounce the English sounds. So fun. So much laughter and clear chemistry.

(Lucia hits me up midway through but I say I am out with colleagues.).

In the bedroom it's night and day. This girl loves to kiss, great BJ and no pillow-princess. She is very ready to rumble, submissive, and passionate.

The highlight is that I am hard to finish.

How could that be a highlight? Well after a ton of fucking I have to go pee. And when I return (pretty soft) she says "so what do you want to do". I think this is her saying "you tired me out and you didn't cum so maybe I should just go?" I have seen this once or twice. But I just say "um continuar?

Apparently that wasn't what she was saying at all! She was just asking what's my pleasure! So she gets me going and mounts up BAREBACK. Wow. She feels fucking amazing and seems to enjoy it as much as I do.

So we do some amazing fucking. LOL. Doggie, the Steve, and mish in pretty short order. Making out in mish is as usual the ticket (not all girls like this) and I pull out to shoot a few shots on her tummy which she smiles a giant smile at. Wow. That was pretty epic.

Side note: Another Seeking bareback girl!

So Buenos Aires had several great lessons to be learned. Or perhaps just reinforced:

Seeking still rocks in countries where P4 P is poor.

Starting 6 weeks out, while not recommended, has worked great several times so maybe it's not bad.

Aggressive last minute opener "I'm going out you coming" def has super high engagement rate.

Always keep the girls warm without being disingenuous. You may need them!

Girls will def see you even if they know it's only a night or two.

An 8 with a 9 performance beats a 10 with a 5 performance any day.

All in all a great time for just a two day quickie.

FilthyBeaver
11-16-23, 04:53
How early is too early to make contact when you're on their turf? I first used seeking years ago to meet girls before a pleasure trip outside of my city. I started one month out and pretty much had a lineup in a couple weeks so I decided to see how it worked locally. Had never considered using it locally, don't know why, just didn't. Found 2 amazing girls, great chemistry with both but made the rookie mistake of not closing the deal even though we were at my house at the end of the first meeting. Mutually agreed to see both (separately) after my trip, including ppm amounts, and upon my return both ghosted me. It occurred to me that I had basically given them both a couple weeks to do better than me which they apparently did.

Like Steve, I get excited and start searching several weeks, sometimes months, before the date of travel. I'll buy an account two months out, reasoning that pros will have no patience for something that far out and they'll be turned off immediately when I tell them I'm two months out (I don't use seeking for pros, at most semi pros, but prefer legit girls next door). I also figure the targets are on the fence at best but have probably done this once or twice and understand there needs to be some kind of connection other than money so a convo over several weeks to build that connection works in both of our favors. She's less likely to flake if she's got time invested other than what, where, when, and how much.

So what's too early / what's ideal? I've got a paid account on another sugar site appropriate to my destination but has been dead for a couple weeks. It exploded recently by simplying following up with girls that had replied with something basic to my original ice breaker. As I was hoping, the time wasters and pros didn't give me the time of day after I told them I was more than a month out. I actually had about 3 hrs worth of back and forth with another one who doesn't seem to be fazed at all that her time would be rewarded several weeks in the future. This is exactly the kind of girl I'm looking for, she's real and asks real get to know you questions, never mentioned compensation once, and answers my questions toughtfully with detail). At some point it's my job to bring up the compensation part and I will before she loses interest but knowing she's willing to display some amount of effort goes a long way in my book.


Had a friend asking about Baires (what the girls call it) Seeking scene and dug up this report from two years back. It's a fun read and some pretty good advice at the end. Hope it's useful / fun for one or more of you.

Buenos Aires is pretty well known to be not great for P4 P. Last time I was there I was exclusively with a Seeking Girl named Valentina and it was marvelous. So I went purely the Seeking route this time as well.

It actually can be a bit tricky the way I play it because I'm not the kinda guy who sets up redundant dates and such. I really try to be honest with the girls, including that I am only in town a couple days (usually break this news later) and so the logistics can be hard to ensure you don't end up with a date with Mr Hand. (Never have fwiw).

I started 6 weeks out. Not because that is a good idea but just because I always get excited and start browsing and one thing leads to another. I had probably 5-6 girls on pretty active chat up until about two weeks before, but let some of those fade as I focused in on two girls Becca and Lucia.

Both of these girls have GREAT English and both really fun to chat with. In the end Lucia edged out Becca by just being a bit more engaged. I think I stopped being active with Becca a few days before the trip and she was not actively courting me.

Once in town, Lucia was a bit tough to pin down on date time that evening. Got a bit worried and in fact pinged Becca that first day thinking Lucia was bagging. Becca was really nice about me springing a same day date on her but said she couldn't that first night but she could night two, so I kept this warm. I wasn't in a panic, having just banged 7 girls in Colombia (see Medellin thread soon) but I would lament an empty night nonetheless.

In the end, Lucia came through and turned out to be an amazing pick. From her pictures you could see that she was very pretty and she'the sent some unfiltered shots. Like a solid 8. But when we met at the restaurant I about dropped a load on the floor. A 10 face for me no lie. And her bod turned out to be a 9 for sure. Home run in the optics dept.

Dinner and a walk around Puerto Madero were amazing. So easy and comfortable. Two hours completely flew by! Some light kissing as the Uber arrives. Back in the room it was an OK experience but nothing to write home about. She is super beautiful but either awkward or pro trying to get straight to fucking with no BJ and really not too much effort when I went soft. 10 face 9 body and 5 in the bed. Boo a little disappointed in the end because otherwise this girl is a rockstar. But overall had a great night despite the lame sex!

We planned to meetup again the next night but I was a bit lukewarm. And she was pretty difficult about staying in touch. It wasn't clear whether we were on or off. And this was a bit of a theme with her once in town.

So about 2 Pm or so I ping Becca because Lucia is unsure. But Becca says family matters came up and she can't. At four I send Lucia a message that I want to meet her no matter what time and I can tell she's read it. No response so now onto plan see! Can't wait forever.

I start spamming all the girls I had moved to WhatApp chat but let fizzle. Probably 5-7 girls. Plus I start hitting new Seeking girls with "I going out to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" (I've used this before with success) and get 3 or 4 convos started.

But as luck would have it one of my WhatsApp girls comes back and says she'the love too. She was like number five on my list so clearly keeping a deep bench is a key strategic move. So now it's on with Meli. Woo hoo! Really quite a coup to get an 8 o'clock date at 4 o'clock! Wow. Stoked.

It turns out Meli could use a new photographer. Because she's a solid 8 with amazing natural firm the or DD cups. Beautiful face and bubbly and fun at dinner.

I feel a little bad but I use the exact same playbook as the prior night, because making reservations over the phone in Spanish is not my forte. So same restaurant leading to same walk and same Uber pickup. Dinner is quite different though because she doesn't speak a lick of English. We laugh a ton using Google translate. And her trying to say English words is nothing short of comedic. She is sooooo bad. Just literally cannot pronounce the English sounds. So fun. So much laughter and clear chemistry.

(Lucia hits me up midway through but I say I am out with colleagues.).

In the bedroom it's night and day. This girl loves to kiss, great BJ and no pillow-princess. She is very ready to rumble, submissive, and passionate.

The highlight is that I am hard to finish.

How could that be a highlight? Well after a ton of fucking I have to go pee. And when I return (pretty soft) she says "so what do you want to do". I think this is her saying "you tired me out and you didn't cum so maybe I should just go?" I have seen this once or twice. But I just say "um continuar?

Apparently that wasn't what she was saying at all! She was just asking what's my pleasure! So she gets me going and mounts up BAREBACK. Wow. She feels fucking amazing and seems to enjoy it as much as I do.

So we do some amazing fucking. LOL. Doggie, the Steve, and mish in pretty short order. Making out in mish is as usual the ticket (not all girls like this) and I pull out to shoot a few shots on her tummy which she smiles a giant smile at. Wow. That was pretty epic.

Side note: Another Seeking bareback girl!

So Buenos Aires had several great lessons to be learned. Or perhaps just reinforced:

Seeking still rocks in countries where P4 P is poor.

Starting 6 weeks out, while not recommended, has worked great several times so maybe it's not bad.

Aggressive last minute opener "I'm going out you coming" def has super high engagement rate.

Always keep the girls warm without being disingenuous. You may need them!

Girls will def see you even if they know it's only a night or two.

An 8 with a 9 performance beats a 10 with a 5 performance any day.

All in all a great time for just a two day quickie.

FilthyBeaver
11-16-23, 04:57
I can't answer your question directly but what I'd do is create a search based on whatever you're looking for and sort the results by last login. If you have pages and pages of profiles that have all logged in in the last few days I'd say the odds are good and it's up to your game. If you get to the end of the first page and the last profile logged in 6 months ago, go find yourself another nut to crack.


Anyone tried seeking in NZ? Any luck?

Clone8884
11-16-23, 07:18
I met 3 girls in Medellin and 3 in Bogota. I spent the night with all the girls except one who changed mind once she was in my uber.

Medellin.

First girl was hot and I probably overpaid but it was my first night in Medellin and I had been holding my nutt. I won't post pics but she was sexy 9/10 with long black hair, big butt, big tits, and big lips. We agreed on 1 million for the night but once she got their she told me sex only one time and leave at 3 am, total hooker. I was just so horny so we ended up doing 1. 3 for all night and sex 4 times BBFS. I probably overpaid but it was nice busting that fat nut I had been holding inside.

Second girl knew English and was probably a 7/10. I paid her 800 k for TLN but we spent many hours together, maybe 16 hours. She taught me a bunch of spanish and was great, everything bbfscip.

Third girl catfished me and also told me she can't stay the night after we agreed. I originally told her 600 k but I paid her 300 k and she was cool with it. We spent like 4 hours together and had BBFS two times. She was sticking her tongue down my asshole and licking me for awhile, very nice.

Bogota.

First girl in Bogota was probbaly the worst the entire trip. Catfished and I gave her like 600 k for TLN but she looked like 5/10 at best. I could have sent her away but by the time you set up everything and get her over I was so horny so I just pumped a few nuts in her, fell asleep and she left around 8 or 9 am.

Second girl was girl next door type spinner and barely 18 since June. Gave her 700 k for the night and she was cool and cute but nothing to right home about, probably a 6 or 7 out of 10 looks wise.

Third girl looks wise was maybe 5/10 but her english was very good so it was easier for me since my spanish is weak. I barebacked her anal and busted a fat nut inside her asshole, good times.

The girls in Medellin on average are hotter but their were some hot girls in Bogota seeking. I actually had a few I was messaging and was going to meet this Hot girl my last day for 1 million but I ran out of time. One crazy girl in Bogota wanted 3 million for an all nighter with condom, crazy. She was hot but I would never do that. I don't usually recommend bringing up condom use until the girl is with you on the bed unless she is obviously a hooker calling you 'amor' every sentence.

Guys tell me, are my prices low, average or high? The first girl seemed high but prices are all over the place on seeking its hard to say. I spent less money in mexico city on girls than I did it Colombia, crazy. Next stop, SE asia.

Aureliano16
11-16-23, 07:54
So in summer 2022 I was visiting a male friend in Stockholm for a few weeks. Since prostitution is ilegal there, punishing the customer, I was expecting a very dry season. But I tried with seeking.

Most women would just ignore my messages (I look middle eastern, early 30's, in shape). Only 1 was answering, she had full lingerie pictures on her profile, really looked like an escort. We moved to whatsapp and I asked her for face pics, she sent me some and she was ok, but I don't know why I didn't like that she was never smiling. Probably crooked teeth.

Just 1 week before arriving I got a message from a 23 yo who just said "Hii do you offer sugar for sex", her pics were pretty bad quality, but she had an amazing body, smile and was the typical tall blonde. So, just because she was the one talking to me first, I decided to go ahead and meet her.

We arranged for 3000 crowns and she went directly to my hotel (I booked a one night hotel, because I was staying at my friend's place). And, she was amazing, tall, we fucked twice in the first meeting and she stayed for about 5 hours. She told me she couldn't stay overnight because she still lived with her parents. We met another time that same week and was also pretty good sex! I have trouble cumming and on our last meeting she would just do a long and steady blowjob until she made me cum!

Aksmn
11-16-23, 09:29
Had a friend asking about Baires (what the girls call it) Seeking scene and dug up this report from two years back. It's a fun read and some pretty good advice at the end. Hope it's useful / fun for one or more of you.

All in all a great time for just a two day quickie.What is the allowance of the girls of Buenos Aires?

Steve 9696
11-16-23, 17:11
What is the allowance of the girls of Buenos Aires?I don't have any current info. When I visited a couple years back $200 to $300.

Gfefan
11-17-23, 06:39
My regular couldn't make it. Went with a new one that I had been chatting up.

Gosh. This one squirts. Every 10/15 strokes she squirtred.

A new experience for me.

Steve 9696
11-18-23, 19:08
How early is too early to make contact when you're on their turf? I first used seeking years ago to meet girls before a pleasure trip outside of my city. I started one month out and pretty much had a lineup in a couple weeks so I decided to see how it worked locally. Had never considered using it locally, don't know why, just didn't. Found 2 amazing girls, great chemistry with both but made the rookie mistake of not closing the deal even though we were at my house at the end of the first meeting. Mutually agreed to see both (separately) after my trip, including ppm amounts, and upon my return both ghosted me. It occurred to me that I had basically given them both a couple weeks to do better than me which they apparently did.

Like Steve, I get excited and start searching several weeks, sometimes months, before the date of travel. I'll buy an account two months out, reasoning that pros will have no patience for something that far out and they'll be turned off immediately when I tell them I'm two months out (I don't use seeking for pros, at most semi pros, but prefer legit girls next door). I also figure the targets are on the fence at best but have probably done this once or twice and understand there needs to be some kind of connection other than money so a convo over several weeks to build that connection works in both of our favors. She's less likely to flake if she's got time invested other than what, where, when, and how much.

So what's too early / what's ideal? I've got a paid account on another sugar site appropriate to my destination but has been dead for a couple weeks. It exploded recently by simplying following up with girls that had replied with something basic to my original ice breaker. As I was hoping, the time wasters and pros didn't give me the time of day after I told them I was more than a month out. I actually had about 3 hrs worth of back and forth with another one who doesn't seem to be fazed at all that her time would be rewarded several weeks in the future. This is exactly the kind of girl I'm looking for, she's real and asks real get to know you questions, never mentioned compensation once, and answers my questions toughtfully with detail). At some point it's my job to bring up the compensation part and I will before she loses interest but knowing she's willing to display some amount of effort goes a long way in my book.My experience is that two weeks out is probably optimal because you don't have to chat endlessly but it's def enough. At the far end of the spectrum I've had some awesome girls engage and stay with me six weeks out. I think that's the max tho. Super hard to maintain any enthusiasm either direction for much longer.

That said, the minimum is just a few hours. I have had some amazing dates with the "I'm going to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" Opener and been fucking just a few hours later. I did this out of desperation at first but prob had 5-10 dates closed quickly like this and with good outcomes.

FilthyBeaver
11-19-23, 08:28
Valid reasoning and advice. I will try the last minute dinner thing. I've met plenty of girls who just like to have nice dinners and have gone so far as to say guys their age can't afford it. Thanks to all the young broke guys paving the way for us! .

This is a data point and probably a fluke and I don't remember posting this before, but I may have. I met a legit psychiatrist in another city with her own practice about 6 weeks prior, we hit it off so well we chatted for several hours almost daily until we met. First date was amazing, we picked up like old friends. Don't expect anything like that again but it keeps me going back.


My experience is that two weeks out is probably optimal because you don't have to chat endlessly but it's def enough. At the far end of the spectrum I've had some awesome girls engage and stay with me six weeks out. I think that's the max tho. Super hard to maintain any enthusiasm either direction for much longer.

That said, the minimum is just a few hours. I have had some amazing dates with the "I'm going to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" Opener and been fucking just a few hours later. I did this out of desperation at first but prob had 5-10 dates closed quickly like this and with good outcomes.

AmericanPi
11-20-23, 15:21
Valid reasoning and advice. I will try the last minute dinner thing. I've met plenty of girls who just like to have nice dinners and have gone so far as to say guys their age can't afford it. Thanks to all the young broke guys paving the way for us! .

This is a data point and probably a fluke and I don't remember posting this before, but I may have. I met a legit psychiatrist in another city with her own practice about 6 weeks prior, we hit it off so well we chatted for several hours almost daily until we met. First date was amazing, we picked up like old friends. Don't expect anything like that again but it keeps me going back.Every time I take a trip I learn girls don't like it when you try to make plans more than a few weeks out. (These aren't girls with corporate style outlook calendars).

Every time I find that all my commitments come a week or less before.

Every time I tell myself next time I'll wait till closer to the date so I don't burn out with the ones I want most by coming in too early.

Every time I break that commitment and do it too early anyways.

It's a bad habit.

Midwestern
11-22-23, 10:14
My regular couldn't make it. Went with a new one that I had been chatting up.

Gosh. This one squirts. Every 10/15 strokes she squirtred.

A new experience for me.I've had at least a half dozen squirters, and it's different and fun, and squirters are even proud of their squirting. But in my entire life, I also had two gushers. It just gushes out and it feels amazing. One time, I was DATYing one of them while she was sitting on my face, and when she came it felt like someone splashed a bucket of warm water all over my face. I actually choked from all that water (or whatever that is). Same thing when they rode me CG, when they came, it was like a bucket of warm water was dumped onto my cock. The sheets were totally soaked. One time, I was doing one of them while I was standing up, and it just felt like and endless amount of water was going down my legs. Afterwards, in the middle of the night, I went to pee and slipped on the water. The floor was covered with water. That was a thing with these two gushers, it's that they came so much and so often. But LOL, they both told me that BFs eventually get annoyed with their gushing. I can totally see that happening. But I had a great time with these two gushers. They both felt any gal can be a gusher as long as she can feel comfortable with doing it. Here's a weird coincidence: they were both potheads.

NoBuglyFitches
11-22-23, 11:02
Sorry to be the party pooper, but:

Conclusions: The present data based on ultrasonographic bladder monitoring and biochemical analyses indicate that squirting is essentially the involuntary emission of urine during sexual activity, although a marginal contribution of prostatic secretions to the emitted fluid often exists.

Nature and origin of "squirting" in female sexuality. PubMed.

National Institutes of Health (. Gov).

NoBuglyFitches
11-22-23, 11:22
I have had some amazing dates with the "I'm going to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" Opener and been fucking just a few hours later. I had similar last-minute experiences, minus the dinner. Just "hey, are you free tonight? Let's meet up? Can I get you an Uber?" Not with escorts, just busy girls who need money and don't have much time. It's almost like a vanilla tinder-style hookup. They are young, broke, and free and horny at the moment, so they're game. Depends on the region too: this works better in LatAm. And to be honest, the hottest girls are not that easy, so it's a sacrifice of looks for immediacy.

Reaching out 4-6 weeks out helps to get numbers for girls who just made their Seeking profile and may not use it again. But if you got their wa / tg and she likes you, she might still meet and fuck when you show up in town. Also, some girls only check their seeking account once every 2 weeks, so there's all kinds, in my experience.

NoBuglyFitches
11-22-23, 11:25
I've got a paid account on another sugar site appropriate to my destination Which site if I may ask?

FilthyBeaver
11-22-23, 14:33
On the site I'm on now, I can't get the time of day from my most desirable category (legit students or young professionals) they probaby get stood up and wanked around as much as us if you think about it. There is no shortage of messages on an announcement board saying meet in xyz on ABC date. But nothing more than a few days out. I suspect though that these are pros and I'm trying to stay away from pros.


Every time I take a trip I learn girls don't like it when you try to make plans more than a few weeks out. (These aren't girls with corporate style outlook calendars).

Every time I find that all my commitments come a week or less before.

Every time I tell myself next time I'll wait till closer to the date so I don't burn out with the ones I want most by coming in too early.

Every time I break that commitment and do it too early anyways.

It's a bad habit.

AmericanPi
11-22-23, 15:35
I've had at least a half dozen squirters, and it's different and fun, and squirters are even proud of their squirting. But in my entire life, I also had two gushers. It just gushes out and it feels amazing. One time, I was DATYing one of them while she was sitting on my face, and when she came it felt like someone splashed a bucket of warm water all over my face. I actually choked from all that water (or whatever that is). Same thing when they rode me CG, when they came, it was like a bucket of warm water was dumped onto my cock. The sheets were totally soaked. One time, I was doing one of them while I was standing up, and it just felt like and endless amount of water was going down my legs. Afterwards, in the middle of the night, I went to pee and slipped on the water. The floor was covered with water. That was a thing with these two gushers, it's that they came so much and so often. But LOL, they both told me that BFs eventually get annoyed with their gushing. I can totally see that happening. But I had a great time with these two gushers. They both felt any gal can be a gusher as long as she can feel comfortable with doing it. Here's a weird coincidence: they were both potheads.So interesting how much there are different strokes for different folks. Squirting totally grossed me out. It looks like a huge mucus dump to me. Not knocking anyone's preferences. I'm actually glad there are people who like this so there is someone for everyone.

I also don't get eating ass. Or meat muffin vaginas. Or fake tits. Or the porn star look. But there's an ass for every seat and that's why the world works!

FilthyBeaver
11-23-23, 03:09
I fully intend to post my experience and results but long after my trip as I don't want anybody to know see a bunch of posts from this account that happen to correspond with dates they know I'm there. Not sure kt will be here though probably needs a new thread as it's not seeking.


Which site if I may ask?

Steve 9696
11-23-23, 14:31
I fully intend to post my experience and results but long after my trip as I don't want anybody to know see a bunch of posts from this account that happen to correspond with dates they know I'm there. Not sure kt will be here though probably needs a new thread as it's not seeking.Please post here when you are ready. This is the place with the most like minded guys. We talk about Secret Benefits and other sites that suck money for nothing. So if you found something good please share here. We are def all interested.

AmericanPi
11-23-23, 15:50
I fully intend to post my experience and results but long after my trip as I don't want anybody to know see a bunch of posts from this account that happen to correspond with dates they know I'm there. Not sure kt will be here though probably needs a new thread as it's not seeking.This is so me. I also found some local variants in Europe but didn't post when I was there because some of my friends knew my itinerary.

But I still want to read your story!

FilthyBeaver
11-24-23, 03:21
My friends know who, what, where, when, and how much. And pics if I have them. It's acquaintances and family outing me that I'm worried about. I will post here but don't hold your breath, it's going to be a while.


This is so me. I also found some local variants in Europe but didn't post when I was there because some of my friends knew my itinerary.

But I still want to read your story!

AmericanPi
11-24-23, 22:33
My friends know who, what, where, when, and how much. And pics if I have them. It's acquaintances and family outing me that I'm worried about. I will post here but don't hold your breath, it's going to be a while.Even my closest friends don't get the scoop.

As Benjamin Franklin said, two people can keep it secret as long as one of them is dead.

FilthyBeaver
11-25-23, 07:14
Old Ben was wise. I have 3 friends. The kind you can ask for a 100 k loan knowing it'll be there within an hour. Everyone else in my life is an acquaintance and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them (and I'm a reasonably small dude). I'm worried about employees, family members, etc. Who know me but don't know this side of me. Last thing I need is for them to piece together all my posts against my vacation calendar and I've got lots of splaining to do Lucy. Fortunately I don't have wife problems anymore but family would be very embarrassing and uncomfortable without all the crying and throwing shit.


Even my closest friends don't get the scoop.

As Benjamin Franklin said, two people can keep it secret as long as one of them is dead.

RockyX
11-25-23, 13:30
I heard somewhere that webcams are increasingly being used for various activities these days, so for my next autumn visit, I am looking for a female webcam host as the protagonist. Though none of the dating sites I've joined so far will discuss takeout as an option.

AmericanPi
11-26-23, 01:16
Old Ben was wise. I have 3 friends. The kind you can ask for a 100 k loan knowing it'll be there within an hour. Everyone else in my life is an acquaintance and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them (and I'm a reasonably small dude). I'm worried about employees, family members, etc. Who know me but don't know this side of me. Last thing I need is for them to piece together all my posts against my vacation calendar and I've got lots of splaining to do Lucy. Fortunately I don't have wife problems anymore but family would be very embarrassing and uncomfortable without all the crying and throwing shit.Sent you dm.

The Cane
11-26-23, 21:57
Even my closest friends don't get the scoop. As Benjamin Franklin said, two people can keep it secret as long as one of them is dead.As a now deceased friend of mine used to say, the best kept secret is one known only to one. The only people who know of this side of me are on this site (and a couple of others), but I don't "know" anyone here. And that's how I intend to keep it, at least for the foreseeable future.

Elvis 2008
11-27-23, 19:58
Who know me but don't know this side of me. Last thing I need is for them to piece together all my posts against my vacation calendar and I've got lots of splaining to do Lucy. Fortunately I don't have wife problems anymore but family would be very embarrassing and uncomfortable without all the crying and throwing shit.I think you might also have a different reason for not talking. Thing about shame is I kind of came out and told a lot of people about my mongering life. It was weird. Once I felt no shame in doing so, it was like people want others to be happy and if you are happy, then they are happy with one exception.

It is like if you are fucking hot women, guys have to make up an excuse as to why they are not. I was loyal to my wife. I am a Christian. Blah, blah, blah. I was like, "These women were hookers, and this really is not a competition. ".

Thing is I met a great woman off seeking and am committed to her and people see us and how happy they are and now I am like having to explain that finding a woman like my current one was 20 years in the making. The flip side to that was finding one woman to commit to was harder than having a harem of sugar babes, and I was almost as happy with that. It is just that people did not get to see my happiness with the harem.

So now people want what I have and I am like, "Who the fuck doesn't? But that is really hard. Finding one women to meet all your sexual needs is tough and having a quality harem is a lot more doable. I never got really hurt breaking it off with a SB. It got you the sex and companionship with a lot less drama.

Still, there is so much sexual misery out there that if you tell other men you are having a ton of fun, they may leave their wives and kids. I know that I was. I was stuck in a situation where I was taking care of a wife who was a fucking * who got off on putting me down. A guy wrote a book called a World without Men, and his point is that it is man's sex drive that propels society, and this constant catering to women and putting men down is creating loads of incels that will cause the demise of society. A big reason I got to where I was was pursuit of pussy.

So Thanksgiving rolls around, and I let the kids in the family play with my tablet and one game was Plants versus Zombies and there was a plant shooting peas, and I was asked, "Do you have any games where there is no shooting? And I just shook my head. I played with toy guns when I was young. It was fun. It was normal. Everyone did it, and we did not shoot up schools because we were not mentally ill.

One young male member of the family came out and said he was trans, and I do not think he is. I think he said that as an excuse as to why he is not getting laid. I almost want to volunteer to take the poor kid to Tijuana and the Hong Kong Club and see what happens when he get laid.

Of course, my Colombian gal and her daughter played the game and loved it. Thing is they know their fellow classmates and their parents, and that is why they are not terrified of a school shooting.

But I did not want to know the parents in my kid's school, and I did not want to in hopes of avoiding judgement. I think wanting to play with toy guns and fuck hot women is normal and did not want to debate the subject. So yeah, it is better to stay quiet and have your fun secretly and / or in another country for your sake and theirs because so many people cannot handle the truth: it is normal to want a great sex life.

FilthyBeaver
11-28-23, 02:57
I LOVE talking about my exploits. Like everyone there are tiers of people in my life, parents, other family, friends, acquaintances, etc. I play poker with a group of guys that I only know through a friend. I'm the youngest guy at the table by 14 yrs or so. None of these people knows anybody else in my life except for my friend who introduced me to them. I can't wait to tell them what I'm up to when we play. Some of them think I'm full of shit and frankly that's most of the fun. Let them think what they want. The point is I'm happy, they all wish they could do what I'm doing and either don't want to admit it, are afraid to, or are no longer able to!


I think you might also have a different reason for not talking. Thing about shame is I kind of came out and told a lot of people about my mongering life. It was weird. Once I felt no shame in doing so, it was like people want others to be happy and if you are happy, then they are happy with one exception.

It is like if you are fucking hot women, guys have to make up an excuse as to why they are not. I was loyal to my wife. I am a Christian. Blah, blah, blah. I was like, "These women were hookers, and this really is not a competition. ".

Thing is I met a great woman off seeking and am committed to her and people see us and how happy they are and now I am like having to explain that finding a woman like my current one was 20 years in the making. The flip side to that was finding one woman to commit to was harder than having a harem of sugar babes, and I was almost as happy with that. It is just that people did not get to see my happiness with the harem.

So now people want what I have and I am like, "Who the fuck doesn't? But that is really hard. Finding one women to meet all your sexual needs is tough and having a quality harem is a lot more doable. I never got really hurt breaking it off with a SB. It got you the sex and companionship with a lot less drama.

AmericanPi
11-28-23, 03:14
That was a very good read. Well written too.

Let me suggest another reason for silence.

Selfishness. I want it all. A happy enough wife. A stable home. Kids that like me.

And oh yeah. I want to get laid by girls less than half my age on the regular.

Just my own selfishness.


I think you might also have a different reason for not talking. Thing about shame is I kind of came out and told a lot of people about my mongering life. It was weird. Once I felt no shame in doing so, it was like people want others to be happy and if you are happy, then they are happy with one exception.

It is like if you are fucking hot women, guys have to make up an excuse as to why they are not. I was loyal to my wife. I am a Christian. Blah, blah, blah. I was like, "These women were hookers, and this really is not a competition. ".

Thing is I met a great woman off seeking and am committed to her and people see us and how happy they are and now I am like having to explain that finding a woman like my current one was 20 years in the making. The flip side to that was finding one woman to commit to was harder than having a harem of sugar babes, and I was almost as happy with that. It is just that people did not get to see my happiness with the harem.

The Cane
11-28-23, 10:56
So yeah, it is better to stay quiet and have your fun secretly and / or in another country for your sake and theirs because so many people cannot handle the truth.I've been on some other sex sites over the years that aren't mongering sites. There are times when I have related accounts of some of my sexual exploits abroad, and there's always some ignorant guy who thinks I'm lying (and probably several more silent doubters too). It's always about stuff that nobody on a site like this with even just a little experience would question because the same or similar has happened to them, or they know of somebody who it happened to, or they're confident they could do the same if they wanted to, etc. My retort when it's all said and done? Do you want it to happen to you? Then the first thing you have to do? Believe!

But a part of the fun for me when I'm doubted is letting them believe what they want to because I know the "dirty truth", and I know I've had the kind of sexual adventures that most men can only dream about. I remember being on one site and a guy talking about how he'd had anal sex 5 times in his middle-aged life and going on and on about it like that was a "lot" and how anal is such a "rare" treat in life. I was sitting there looking at the screen and shaking my head and literally laughing out loud! Guys like that leave me quite certain that I've fucked more attractive women in the ass than most men will get even pussy. And I'm taking about over the course of their entire lifetimes!

Men. Set yourself free. Save some money. Get a passport. Do some research. Travel abroad. Fuck hot girls in their butt holes (a truly really, really, really, really lot of them so many you don't know how many anymore)! And where ever else you want to fuck them. All of you here? You know! You know. The best kept secret is one known only to one (and to your anonymous monger brethren). Over and out!

Steve 9696
11-28-23, 18:05
Seems like the general wisdom is tell no one. And I went that way for a while. But it's a bit lonely and I hate lying to my friends if I don't have to. Seems to me like most guys are not at all going to spill the beans. Envious maybe but not going to fuck you over. I used to think what if a guy sees me in FKK like my bosses boss or something. Well duh he is there too so nuclear weapons on both sides. And I used to be more paranoid about being seen with a girl by a colleague. Female colleagues are def a concern so I remain discrete. But I think most male colleagues would be like go for it man!

Over the years I have carefully disclosed to select individuals. So far only one has been judgey and doesn't want to hear about it. Others are anxious to hear my latest adventures. Like seriously asking me to tell them all th latest details. Here's who knows and we either can party together or they are at least enthusiastic to hear and read my adventures.

Friends/colleagues who know and disapprove. 1.

Friends/colleagues who know but dont partake and want to hear every detail. 2.

Friends/Colleagues who are also in the girls club for 5+ years. 2.

Friends/Colleagues who are in the girls club for less than 5 years. 2.

You may be very surprised how many of your friends or colleagues are in the club. I was stunned. And it is sooooo much more fun when they are inside the tent. Imo.

VanessasClient
11-28-23, 19:08
I see this forum is very active, but for me Seeking is one of the worst experiences I've ever had in this industry. The subscription fee for a month is about the same price as a P411 subscription for a year. Plus I found most of the girls to be extremely obnoxious, and demanding money before even communicating. Maybe I was doing things wrong.

MiamiBoy1
11-28-23, 19:35
I LOVE talking about my exploits. Like everyone there are tiers of people in my life, parents, other family, friends, acquaintances, etc. I play poker with a group of guys that I only know through a friend. I'm the youngest guy at the table by 14 yrs or so. None of these people knows anybody else in my life except for my friend who introduced me to them. I can't wait to tell them what I'm up to when we play. Some of them think I'm full of shit and frankly that's most of the fun. Let them think what they want. The point is I'm happy, they all wish they could do what I'm doing and either don't want to admit it, are afraid to, or are no longer able to!I think you are being too paranoid. We all post here anonymously, no real names given. You can always change the dates a little bit, or don't specify the dates at all. It would be pretty much impossible for your family or acquaintances to connect the dots and figure out it was you. There will be no direct evidence pointing at you. Also, chances are they are not even on ISG or never heard of it. I'm not encouraging you to post anything at all if you are too concerned. But posting at a later date doesn't make much sense.

The Cane
11-28-23, 21:38
But posting at a later date doesn't make much sense.I've done that a lot over the years actually. You just never know who's reading. You can't be too careful if you ask me. People do dumb things and will drag you down into their shit just by association. So, I'm not quick to befriend anybody who I meet from mongerdom either. I had a wing man one time and the guy turned out to be a drunk and an overall disaster. Never again! I haven't trusted anybody from my "regular" life with this, and again I'm not going to be changing that in the foreseeable future.

FilthyBeaver
11-29-23, 05:34
To quote Han Solo, "Women always find out the truth, always. " I'll leave it there.


I think you are being too paranoid. We all post here anonymously, no real names given. You can always change the dates a little bit, or don't specify the dates at all. It would be pretty much impossible for your family or acquaintances to connect the dots and figure out it was you. There will be no direct evidence pointing at you. Also, chances are they are not even on ISG or never heard of it. I'm not encouraging you to post anything at all if you are too concerned. But posting at a later date doesn't make much sense.

Steve 9696
11-29-23, 12:33
I see this forum is very active, but for me Seeking is one of the worst experiences I've ever had in this industry. The subscription fee for a month is about the same price as a P411 subscription for a year. Plus I found most of the girls to be extremely obnoxious, and demanding money before even communicating. Maybe I was doing things wrong.P411 and Seeking are just two completely different experiences with different types of girls and different expectations. For those not familiar, P411 is a registration service for pros and John's. They verify your ID and employment and then you have access to browse hookers in any city. They claim to not retain your personal information but who knows. I used it successfully for a few years in the US before finding Seeking. But it's 100% pros and hourly rates.

Seeking is NOT a hooker registration service. It's more like online date matching service but with money exchanged. In other words, you can't just point and click and pay (at least in US where I assume you are from). I consider it like an online pickup bar. You have to play the game and have some game to have success. The best girls imo are not full on pros and won't just go with anyone for $$ (Tho there are plenty of pros also). It's a dance and you have to play it that way.

Unfortunately it is also prone to scamming. Any girl that asks for money before a meetup or to meetup platonically should be ignored / blocked. And be prepared if you get into a conversation and land a girl to treat it more like a date. Yes some girls will just go to the room and fuck. But the fun part for me is treating it like a true date with dinner or drinks and natural progression to the room. (And yes, they can decline to go to the room with you but you are only out your time and dinner; never pay them anything for this sex fail). At first you might have a moderate fail percentage but you will get better and better.

Of course the upside to Seeking is not only the real world experience but also it is NOT hourly. A typical date might be 3-4 hours and $500 USD if you do the homework and find the right girl. I've also had girls stay overnight for that same amount or less - it's up to them - very non hooker like.

So they are two very different things. P411 enables safe booking of a hooker in the USA which is no small feat. Seeking enables hooking up with a non or semi pro on a "real life date scenario" with a flat fee on the backend of the date if it ends with sex. Make sense?

Gfefan
11-29-23, 12:51
No one. Not even my best friend knows about my secret life.

I am not worried about them knowing and judging me. They can do what they want. And I can do what I want.

But yes, I have a loving wife and do not want to mess that up. So, secrets die with me and my ISG brethren here.


Even my closest friends don't get the scoop.

As Benjamin Franklin said, two people can keep it secret as long as one of them is dead.

VanessasClient
11-30-23, 00:44
P411 and Seeking are just two completely different experiences with different types of girls and different expectations. For those not familiar, P411 is a registration service for pros and John's. They verify your ID and employment and then you have access to browse hookers in any city. They claim to not retain your personal information but who knows. I used it successfully for a few years in the US before finding Seeking. But it's 100% pros and hourly rates.

Seeking is NOT a hooker registration service. It's more like online date matching service but with money exchanged. In other words, you can't just point and click and pay (at least in US where I assume you are from). I consider it like an online pickup bar. You have to play the game and have some game to have success. The best girls imo are not full on pros and won't just go with anyone for $$ (Tho there are plenty of pros also). It's a dance and you have to play it that way.

Unfortunately it is also prone to scamming. Any girl that asks for money before a meetup or to meetup platonically should be ignored / blocked. And be prepared if you get into a conversation and land a girl to treat it more like a date. Yes some girls will just go to the room and fuck. But the fun part for me is treating it like a true date with dinner or drinks and natural progression to the room. (And yes, they can decline to go to the room with you but you are only out your time and dinner; never pay them anything for this sex fail). At first you might have a moderate fail percentage but you will get better and better.

Of course the upside to Seeking is not only the real world experience but also it is NOT hourly. A typical date might be 3-4 hours and $500 USD if you do the homework and find the right girl. I've also had girls stay overnight for that same amount or less - it's up to them - very non hooker like.

So they are two very different things. P411 enables safe booking of a hooker in the USA which is no small feat. Seeking enables hooking up with a non or semi pro on a "real life date scenario" with a flat fee on the backend of the date if it ends with sex. Make sense?It makes plenty of sense, but with my experience using Seeking, nearly all the girls I communicated with on there were some of the most arrogant cum dumpsters I have ever come across. I can't think of another setting where I've found more insolent idiots as that, anywhere from the office at work, to the cashier at the grocery store, I don't think I've ever seen a group of women as bad as I encountered from Seeking.

DramaFree11
11-30-23, 02:29
It makes plenty of sense, but with my experience using Seeking, nearly all the girls I communicated with on there were some of the most arrogant cum dumpsters I have ever come across. I can't think of another setting where I've found more insolent idiots as that, anywhere from the office at work, to the cashier at the grocery store, I don't think I've ever seen a group of women as bad as I encountered from Seeking.My experience is totally different. I am having the best time of my life. I am CDMX at this moment having a drink waiting for a beautiful woman. What could be better.

Steve 9696
11-30-23, 03:48
It makes plenty of sense, but with my experience using Seeking, nearly all the girls I communicated with on there were some of the most arrogant cum dumpsters I have ever come across. I can't think of another setting where I've found more insolent idiots as that, anywhere from the office at work, to the cashier at the grocery store, I don't think I've ever seen a group of women as bad as I encountered from Seeking.All true. But buried in this massive pile of bullshit are amazing gems who make it totally worth it. Like:

Alexa. Vegas. Amazing Italian black Filipina mix. Just a regular girl trying to get extra cash on the side, doing something she likes. Having great dinners and great sex. (Me too!) met up twice in Vegas. Hit it off. Flew her to Miami. Had an amazing time. Repeated a couple more times in Vegas. Gorgeous. Smart. Nice person. Truly feel thankful to have known her.

Kayla Miami. Gorgeous black girl. Spent many weekends with her. Top notch.

Megan. NYC. Amazing Viet / Korean mix student. Never done it before or since. Amazing one time date that was just exceptional because she was such a babe in the woods. Unbelievable that I could share this experience.

Sue London. Black Italian mix. Sharp as a tack legal student. And hot to boot. Great times in London and the Mediterranean.

Shayla Home girl USA. Been at it almost two years now. I pay her apt and she acts as my GF. Simple as that.

These are just a few of the amazing experiences I've had. And others here have experienced likewise.

So you are 100% right. It's 99.99% BS. And. 01% pure gold. Wouldn't trade it for anything.

NapataJohn
11-30-23, 10:04
. I had a wing man one time and the guy turned out to be a drunk and an overall disaster. .You for sure do not need a wingman.

The Cane
11-30-23, 12:45
My experience is totally different. I am having the best time of my life. I am CDMX at this moment having a drink waiting for a beautiful woman. What could be better.What about using it in the States? You're talking about in Mexico. I think the overwhelming majority view here is that it sucks big time in the States.


All true. But buried in this massive pile of bullshit are amazing gems who make it totally worth it. Like:

Alexa. Vegas. Amazing Italian black Filipina mix. Just a regular girl trying to get extra cash on the side, doing something she likes. Having great dinners and great sex. (Me too!) met up twice in Vegas. Hit it off. Flew her to Miami. Had an amazing time. Repeated a couple more times in Vegas. Gorgeous. Smart. Nice person. Truly feel thankful to have known her.

Kayla Miami. Gorgeous black girl. Spent many weekends with her. Top notch.

Megan. NYC. Amazing Viet / Korean mix student. Never done it before or since. Amazing one time date that was just exceptional because she was such a babe in the woods. Unbelievable that I could share this experience.

Sue London. Black Italian mix. Sharp as a tack legal student. And hot to boot. Great times in London and the Mediterranean.

Shayla Home girl USA. Been at it almost two years now. I pay her apt and she acts as my GF. Simple as that.

These are just a few of the amazing experiences I've had. And others here have experienced likewise.

So you are 100% right. It's 99.99% BS. And. 01% pure gold. Wouldn't trade it for anything.And what about the white girls? What if you like fucking white women? In any case, a 99.99% fail rate is totally unacceptable to me, as it typically would be with most anything in life. Not worth my time. I'd rather monger where it's all turned around with a 99.99% chance of success in getting what I want. When I want it.

Steve 9696
11-30-23, 14:43
What about using it in the States? You're talking about in Mexico. I think the overwhelming majority view here is that it sucks big time in the States.

And what about the white girls? What if you like fucking white women? In any case, a 99.99% fail rate is totally unacceptable to me, as it typically would be with most anything in life. Not worth my time. I'd rather monger where it's all turned around with a 99.99% chance of success in getting what I want. When I want it.Sure we all like the point and click of Thailand Germany and Brazil. But we don't live there.

So you are saying there is a much better alternative in the US? Please share.

And I guess I would say the GPS problems with entitled white girls is a US problem, not a Seeking problem. We have fucked our sex culture here in the US and Im not sure it can be fixed. Thank god white girls are not my thing. Tho I have an ISG friend who has been having quite some success on Seeking w the white girls recently. But he like me doesnít mind or even enjoys sifting through the buffet of bullshit to find the one or two gems. If itís not ur thing, thatís cool too.

VanessasClient
11-30-23, 15:49
All true. But buried in this massive pile of bullshit are amazing gems who make it totally worth it. Like:

Alexa. Vegas. Amazing Italian black Filipina mix. Just a regular girl trying to get extra cash on the side, doing something she likes. Having great dinners and great sex. (Me too!) met up twice in Vegas. Hit it off. Flew her to Miami. Had an amazing time. Repeated a couple more times in Vegas. Gorgeous. Smart. Nice person. Truly feel thankful to have known her.

Kayla Miami. Gorgeous black girl. Spent many weekends with her. Top notch.

Megan. NYC. Amazing Viet / Korean mix student. Never done it before or since. Amazing one time date that was just exceptional because she was such a babe in the woods. Unbelievable that I could share this experience.

Sue London. Black Italian mix. Sharp as a tack legal student. And hot to boot. Great times in London and the Mediterranean.

Shayla Home girl USA. Been at it almost two years now. I pay her apt and she acts as my GF. Simple as that.

These are just a few of the amazing experiences I've had. And others here have experienced likewise.

So you are 100% right. It's 99.99% BS. And. 01% pure gold. Wouldn't trade it for anything.I guess for me, I just can't justify paying hundreds of dollars a month to try and find the proverbial "need in a haystack. " I mean look at the subscription fee to this site, it's $25 a year. Even membership on *** is not over $100 a month. For me, paying that kind of money just to spend hours flipping through and having 2 minute conversations with morons, only hoping I'm going to find a gold mine, doesn't seem like a good value proposition By the way, everybody talks about finding girls on FB. How exactly does one search for chicas on there? What kind of criteria is typically used?

The Cane
11-30-23, 16:09
Sure we all like the point and click of Thailand Germany and Brazil. But we don't live there.

So you are saying there is a much better alternative in the US? Please share.

And I guess I would say the GPS problems with entitled white girls is a US problem, not a Seeking problem. We have fucked our sex culture here in the US and Im not sure it can be fixed. Thank god white girls are not my thing. Tho I have an ISG friend who has been having quite some success on Seeking w the white girls recently. But he like me doesnt mind or even enjoys sifting through the buffet of bullshit to find the one or two gems. If its not ur thing, thats cool too.Why is it that if VanessasClient says it sucks and points out why you respond "all true"? But if I say it you start coming across as kind of defensive? At least that's how it seems to me. You spend a lot of time talking about that 0. 01%. What about the other 99.99% (and all the fatties and the no shows you told me about)? If you spent more time talking about that, then people would get the full picture. That's what would be fair and square. Well, I guess there's me and whoever else to do that. I was on the site for just a short time and bared it all. The good, the bad, and the ugly. From the super high (1) to the super lows (so many most not even mentioned). And my real experience really proves what you yourself admit. That 99.99% of the time Seeking sucks!

If you're a betting man and / or somebody with a busy schedule, you pass as it's not worth your time (and money). Maybe we don't all live abroad (some of us do), but that's not a reason to then go and waste time and money on Seeking. As I always remind people, life is far more than either / or propositions. I don't need to live abroad to do my thing, and I don't have to accept dealing with Seeking either. I'm quite happy to take trips abroad, which hopefully will become more frequent with time. I realize that's an option that I have that other people don't. So maybe they feel like Seeking is their only or best choice, and that's fine. But, they need to know (and accept) the full truth about it. That 99.99% of the time it's going to suck, and decide whether they want to put up with the knee-deep bullshit or not. The truth. It can set you free.

The Cane
11-30-23, 16:14
I guess for me, I just can't justify paying hundreds of dollars a month to try and find the proverbial "needle in a haystack". For me, paying that kind of money just to spend hours flipping through and having 2 minute conversations with morons, only hoping I'm going to find a gold mine, doesn't seem like a good value proposition.Hitting a nail on the head! If there's somebody who feels it's worth it to throw money away like that, then hell they better stay away from the casinos LOL!