Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Just ran across this report from a few years back. Best pure sex of my life — to this day. True lesbian lovers who needed some dick in the mix and I was the lucky guy! Hope some of you enjoy it.

Cincinnati -- Sometimes It's Just Sex!

(not that there's anything wrong with that! LOL).

OK I am definitely on a black girls run. Confirmed tonight with a last minute duo score. Of course I was just with Kayla in Florida, but have traveled to Cincinnati. I had researched it before and had some prospects but honestly I was fucked out. Just couldn't muster the energy.

Till night three. LOL. There was a work event and after a couple glasses of wine, I start thinking "why not" and start texting girls randomly from my playlist or brand new prospects from SA. Very aggressive opener — like "I'm going out tonight to a nice dinner and drinks. Want to join me?" I had used this approach in London with some success and generally recommend it.

A few nibbles but really no bites and I am now back in my hotel room half heartedly sending out inquiries, when I get a response from two black girls. "Sure. $500 for us both". They aren't quite my type but marginally cute and I haven't had a duo in a while so I say let's do it. I'm a little wary of course because you rarely get that direct a come on. But I go with the flow — carefully.

Originally, I suggest we meet at a bar, but they remind me they are both only twenty and underage for drinking. LOL. So better to come to the room. Of course my scam radar is on high. Because they are driving 30 miles to see me and coming straight to the room. Not exactly standard offering. We are texting and they say they are on their way. I am certain I am going to get the "oh we are out of gas can you send money" text and resigned to jacking off. But the text never comes and sure enough they show up! WTF?

Amara is a rail thin tall dark black girl and Kayara is a thick light black girl. Couldn't be two more different looking black females. Turns out they are girlfriends and have been dating nine months. This ends up being very important to the vibe and what all we do. Amara is clearly the alpha and Kayara enjoys being a sub.

We chat amiably over some wine and I learn lots of interesting things. They are both freshman in college (skipped a year after HS) so there's that fantasy to check off. They tell me about their relationship. And I also learn that they have tried Seeking twice and were stood up both times! One time they drove two hours and were stood up! Poor things — all they want is a daddy to fuck! So I am their first SD and boy do we make it memorable.

You can tell they are both a little nervous but the wine is helping Amara. Kayara doesn't drink and def seems a bit more shy. We actually have a really good conversation— what are they studying and why, what do I do for work etc. Eventually I excuse myself to go pee and say for them to get more comfortable if they like. They are both just in sweats because this was a last minute deal and they just came on. But in a way it's great because I'm going to be fucking two freshman coeds you might see on the the quad! LOL.

On returning, Amara is under the covers but sweatshirt still on and Kayara is slowly undressing. When Kayara is down to her bra (nice big the Cups) I come over and embrace her and go for the kiss. At first I get a cheek, then two small pecks on the lips. Hmm, this seems like a bad sign but I just go with the flow. Glad I did!

I say "it's really cute that you are both so new to this" and they say why do I say that. And I say just by the way you kissed, I could tell you are really nervous. So Amara, the skinny one — and I mean she must be 5-10 and weigh 80 pounds — really amazing in an odd way — she gestures for me to come to the bed where she rears up and plants a deep and passionate French kiss on me — like this is how it's done baby. I find that even though she is in her sweatshirt she is naked down below. I squeeze that amazing tight ass with both hands and start to grow hard.

Pretty soon I am naked standing at the side of the bed, Kayara has finished undressing revealing a thick but attractive bod and Amara pulls her sweatshirt off over her head. Kayara starts blowing me while I make out with Amara but soon they are both blowing the fuck out of me and I remember why I like duos!

The double BJ is absolutely epic. They seem to be totally in sync. Two mouths on shaft side to side. Kayara on shaft, Amara on balls. Amara on upper shaft, Kayara on lower. After a while I stop paying attention to what's what. There is so much sloppy shit going on down there that it's mind blowing and I can't keep track of all the sensations.

A couple of times I get the urge to fuck, but then think bloody hell why would I stop this? They must blow me easily for 20 minutes before I decide I've got to fuck one or the other. First up is Kayara in doggie style where she can eat Amaras pussy. Of course girls are pros at eating pussy, so she is driving Amara absolutely bat shit crazy as I fuck her from behind. She has a nice thick butt to grab on to and as she gets more and more lost in it (she likes fucking) she's whispering "fuck me daddy. Yes, like that. Harder. " LOL.

After an eternity of this (I had jacked off earlier that day thinking it was going to be a celibate night) I decide to try out Amara and I swap them up. No need to change condoms because they are lovers! Amara is still on her back so Kayara moves up to sit on her face and I plunge into mish with Amara. She's very tight as you might expect given her body type. Some light bites and kisses on Kayara's back since it's right where my face lands. And some great mish pounding of Amara.

I eventually decide I want to cum, hoping to even do a round 2 but that's never guaranteed. So I lose the condom and lie on my back and they go to work. It's spectacular again and a lot of it but not quite cumming. So I move to standing again where they are on the edge of bed and I get a great visual. After quite a bit more I start to cum in Kayaras mouth (she is better on shaft) and she pulls me out of our her mouth. So I start to shoot on Amaras shoulder as she is on ball work. Good girl she is, Amara doesn't want to waste good cum, so she gets me in her mouth for a few pumps of finish CIM. Damn. Like that girl's swagger!

They start working me and kissing me for round two instantly but I say I need to rest a bit. So we cuddle, but after a minute, Amara starts to finger Kayaras pussy and they are off to the races for the best girl on girl I've ever witnessed. I learned a lot!

Amara is using her two middle fingers inside Kayara and fucking her aggressively and hard while slathering her clit with her tongue. Kayara is off in space somewhere and squealing and moaning. Then Amara switches to fingers side to side on clit. Her hand is moving so fast it's a blur -- I mean literally a blur. And Kayara is going nuts. She has a clenching O but Amara is merciless and drives her for another O right after and then another.

I join the fun as we are just using Kayara like a fuck toy and she is sooooo down with that. So Amara starts finger fucking her again and I simultaneously do the furious clit side to side rubbing so she is getting doubled up. And fuck she goes thru two or three more Os. She's convulsing and shaking and eventually swats both our hands away (literally). It's like she's had electroshock and is just totally wiped out.

I only let her rest a minute or so and bring Kayara to the edge of the bed for mish with me standing (The Steve). So now Kayara can do Amara for a while when Amara sits on her face. She's a lot more gentle but Amara seems to like it and has some face scrunching Os. The fucking of Kayara goes on a long time- and I love that position. Even though I think Kayara is all fucked out, not so. Her legs are straight up in the air as I fuck her deep and she has a couple Os one right after the other. Her right leg goes stiff and vibrates like a motherfucker and then subsides and then about 10 strokes later she's hit by another wave and the leg goes batshit crazy again. Can't fake that shit!

At some point I get the desire to finger fuck Amara the way she did Kayara. So while Kayara is curled up in a fetal ball resting, LOL, I start making out with Amara and finger fucking her with my middle and ring finger as I learned from her. I am going in and out aggressively but she hand signals to do the same; but not in and out — but instead, aggressive gspot tapping. This is prob what she was doing inside of K — finger fucking and gspot tapping both look similar from outside. So I am tapping her gspot like a madman and she has some crashing Os.

I've had pussys clamp down on me before but hers it like a full pushout. It feels like her pelvic floor is coming down and absolutely drives my fingers out. Then it relaxes and back in I go. And tap tap tap and boom another wave. Normally I would stop but I learned from watching them, that a girl can have a connected string of Os. So I go again and give her a couple more where she totally clamps down and pushes me out with her pussy. It's really something. Wow.

Ok time to fuck Amara again so I fuck her in doggie and she eats Kayaras pussy some more. Eventually we all kinda tire and they slide under the covers and create a little space between them for me. I squeeze in and we doze and snuggle for a while, a girl's head on each shoulder. King of the world.

They are lightly playing with me by hand under the covers and I say I think I have one more shot in me if they are game. So we pull back the covers and down they go. A true labor of love -- they must be at it another ten minutes or more and it is truly great. I think I might have to go to a hand finish but when Kayara is on shaft and Amara on balls. OMG. It's soooo good. Eventually I shoot a load — again Kayara backing off but Amara quickly slurps up the goods! What a team.

So then we just doze and cuddle but eventually they have to go. Amara has class at 10:30 AM but Kayara has a 7:00 AM class. College girls! Def one of my best pure sex experiences ever. Never been with two girls so passionately into each other but still with the right focus on me. It was a two hour blur of nonstop fucking and sucking and fingering. Five stars!

[Gfefan]

Been a while.

A close family member was not well and I had to drop it all to take care.

Returning after a long hiatus. Excited to be back but I quickly realize how fickle things are in the US.

I did not fall off the radar but informed those girls that I will be out for so and so reason. Coming back 3 out of 4 girls don't give a damn. Don't get me wrong. I don't expect them to. These are quid pro quo.

But I can't help not comparing my Europe bases. All the three of those. Messaged me right back saying "I know it must be hard coming out of what you are coming out of. If you need to talk to someone, just call me. I a here to listen".

Such Atlantic sized gulf of difference in attitude and approach. Now, why wil I not help EU SBs even if we don't fuck! That personable non-transactional interaction doesn't seem to exist in consumerist US.

[Steve 9696]

Been a while.

A close family member was not well and I had to drop it all to take care.

Returning after a long hiatus. Excited to be back but I quickly realize how fickle things are in the US.

I did not fall off the radar but informed those girls that I will be out for so and so reason. Coming back 3 out of 4 girls don't give a damn. Don't get me wrong. I don't expect them to. These are quid pro quo.

But I can't help not comparing my Europe bases. All the three of those. Messaged me right back saying "I know it must be hard coming out of what you are coming out of. If you need to talk to someone, just call me. I a here to listen".

Such Atlantic sized gulf of difference in attitude and approach. Now, why wil I not help EU SBs even if we don't fuck! That personable non-transactional interaction doesn't seem to exist in consumerist US.

First. Great to have u back GFE. U are a great SA slayer and I always enjoy ur write ups.

So agree the US bites and are all entitled biatches. But there are exceptions if you look hard enough. Nerdy Girl was a nice find locally. And now Hood Girl is likely to replace her just a few weeks later. (I call her Hood Girl because she grew up dirt poor and lives very low income today). But damn she's a sweet soul! Such a nice girl. So grateful for any kindness. Shy and submissive. I predict greatness here.

And not to count chickens too much but last night I FINALLY after a month of looking scored a gem in a large US city. Still got meetup but we've done a lot of voice and she is 100% reall. Doesn't know what to ask because she doesn't want to feel like a pro. Going to take kid gloves but she's one in a million. Smokin hot and unspoiled as a newborn. Crossing fingers. But that was after a solid month of looking nightly. You got to be on it and pounce because they aren't going to be on next time youre on. (Hood Girl hasnt been on in the past month once we agreed a meetup). I know you know this GFE but daily persistence is essential in the US.

[MrBuckley]

Hoping there can be some contribution on the range of cost of dates in some city in Europe. Trying to decide where to visit next.

Last year Italy and Milan were overall not worth it dates were typically 4-600 eu. Some asking more than that, not sure anyone agreed for less than 400.

I am trying to get some info on the cost of dates in Portugal, Spain, maybe some other places that may deem themselves affordable.

Recently had a nice time in Guadalajara and found dates to be nicely priced.

[FilthyBeaver]

The standard of living in Mexico vs Europe is generally not comparable. There are always exceptions and I'm sure there are guys that claim they've pulled a girl off seeking for nothing but as a general rule 4-500 is the number in western Europe. Maybe 3-500 in eastern Europe. How hard you want to look for something cheaper than that who also meets whatever criteria you want is entirely up to you, both your patience and your game.


Hoping there can be some contribution on the range of cost of dates in some city in Europe. Trying to decide where to visit next.

Last year Italy and Milan were overall not worth it dates were typically 4-600 eu. Some asking more than that, not sure anyone agreed for less than 400.

I am trying to get some info on the cost of dates in Portugal, Spain, maybe some other places that may deem themselves affordable.

Recently had a nice time in Guadalajara and found dates to be nicely priced.

[Elvis 2008]

Hoping there can be some contribution on the range of cost of dates in some city in Europe. Trying to decide where to visit next.

Last year Italy and Milan were overall not worth it dates were typically 4-600 eu. Some asking more than that, not sure anyone agreed for less than 400.

I am trying to get some info on the cost of dates in Portugal, Spain, maybe some other places that may deem themselves affordable.

Recently had a nice time in Guadalajara and found dates to be nicely priced.I always used escort prices as a guide and Spain and Portugal are cheaper than Italy, and I was just in Spain and Italy with my gal and daughter. All of Western Europe have had shrinking populations and using immigration to compensate. Of all the countries in Western Europe, Spain may have had the easiest of time of it as they have been importing Spanish speaking people in from Latin America and trying to keep the others out, and as you can imagine, the Latinas are going to have less of an issue with escorting than Muslims for example.

The other Latinas are also going to have an easier time in Spain and Portugal than Italy is the language. I thought Italian and Spanish were comparable and boy they were not. I had to translate for us more often than not because so many Italians knew English and not Spanish.

So you have that influx of not just Latinas but I would venture to say the top Latinas looking for a better life. I want a lover trying to be better all the time and that is what the Latinas who have gone to Europe were doing, looking for better. I wondered why all of them preferred Europe to the USA though. I realized that was because so many only consider NYC, California, and Orlando, Florida the USA, and I do not want to be in those places either. I swear you spend half your life in traffic or in line if you live there.

It is funny when I went to Venezuela I was underwhelmed by the beauty of the women and yet outside the country, I saw some of the most beautiful women, who were Venezuelans, I had ever seen. So it would not surprise me if some if not most of the best looking Latinas are in Spain and Portugal now.

I was surprised going that I thought the women in Italy and Spain were better looking than those in Mexico and Colombia. I certainly did not expect that.

[Steve 9696]

The standard of living in Mexico vs Europe is generally not comparable. There are always exceptions and I'm sure there are guys that claim they've pulled a girl off seeking for nothing but as a general rule 4-500 is the number in western Europe. Maybe 3-500 in eastern Europe. How hard you want to look for something cheaper than that who also meets whatever criteria you want is entirely up to you, both your patience and your game.+1 got to go with FB on this. You might find a Spain girl will take 300, which is less than Milan for sure. But doubt anyone's going for 200 anywhere in Europe. Got to go Brazil or Colombia or Thailand to hit the basement prices.

[FilthyBeaver]

I'll add that I don't think seeking in general is for bargain hunters. There are pros there but if you're looking for a quick lay there are lots of options. If you want to dine, dance, build some kind of connection, etc then seeking is for you but it's been said a million times, it's a ton of work.


+1 got to go with FB on this. You might find a Spain girl will take 300, which is less than Milan for sure. But doubt anyone's going for 200 anywhere in Europe. Got to go Brazil or Colombia or Thailand to hit the basement prices.

[VanessasClient]

Hoping there can be some contribution on the range of cost of dates in some city in Europe. Trying to decide where to visit next.

Last year Italy and Milan were overall not worth it dates were typically 4-600 eu. Some asking more than that, not sure anyone agreed for less than 400.

I am trying to get some info on the cost of dates in Portugal, Spain, maybe some other places that may deem themselves affordable.

Recently had a nice time in Guadalajara and found dates to be nicely priced.I was able to find girls for less than 200 in EU, but it wasn't for the whole night. If you want dinner starting at 6 PM, and dessert after midnight, I think for 6+ hours you'd be hard pressed to find a girl willing to go much below 300. I'm sure you could in Greece, possibly Romania, or some of the really poor parts of the Eastern Bloc such as Latvia, etc. But I personally don't find those run down countries very appealing, and I'm guessing you don't speak Greek or the other obscure languages. Not like there's a whole lot to do in those places anyhow, and I wouldn't feel exceptionally safe wandering around alone. Turkey definitely below 300 equivalent, possibly below 200 for the whole night.

[VanessasClient]

Hey guys, when do you normally assume that you won't hear back from a Seeking member. If their profile says "last active 3 weeks ago" Do most of those not respond to messages? Or do you normally see them off market when it says 6 months or more?

[Steve 9696]

Hey guys, when do you normally assume that you won't hear back from a Seeking member. If their profile says "last active 3 weeks ago" Do most of those not respond to messages? Or do you normally see them off market when it says 6 months or more?I never contact a girl unless she's online. Too many girls come on and never come back. Plus sometimes you get a relatively real time conversation going which is best.

[VanessasClient]

I never contact a girl unless she's online. Too many girls come on and never come back. Plus sometimes you get a relatively real time conversation going which is best.So even if it says she was last online 4 hours ago, you still don't reach out?

[Steve 9696]

So even if it says she was last online 4 hours ago, you still don't reach out?Yeah but maybe that's me being lazy. You can see their green dot without even going in their profile. So I just contact green dot girls. I suppose if the market is very thin I browse the next ones down that aren't green dot. But that's pretty rare. It's just a lot more productive mining amongst the online girls.

[FilthyBeaver]

I'm picky, like really really picky. My only limit is I don't contact anyone that hasn't been on in more than two weeks. 1) there really aren't that many girls that fit my criteria anyway and 2) the girls who are on a lot usually have a whiff of pro, semi-pro, or scammer about them.


I never contact a girl unless she's online. Too many girls come on and never come back. Plus sometimes you get a relatively real time conversation going which is best.

[VanessasClient]

Yeah but maybe that's me being lazy. You can see their green dot without even going in their profile. So I just contact green dot girls. I suppose if the market is very thin I browse the next ones down that aren't green dot. But that's pretty rare. It's just a lot more productive mining amongst the online girls.That has to be what is getting me; I'm looking at a somewhat obscure city. Not too many girls to choose from; especially given I have other criteria on the filter, like age, etc.

[WhileImYoung]

Hi all, I'm a relatively new poster but have observed for a bit. I spent almost a year in Bogota and Medellin with Seeking. Happy to share some experiences there.

I'm thinking about heading to check out Panama City or another nearby country next. Any experiences for folks in those parts?

[GoingDumb]

Recently checked some things off the sex wishlist with the girl I've been seeing for awhile.

Backshot. I know this is standard for some of you but I'the been too scared to try but pulled it off one night. Still makes me a little nervous but curious how you guys make sure you pull out in time?

Swallowed. Mentioned she always swallowed (never been with a girl who did that) and had been kicking myself for not doing it. CIM has gotten harder for me for some reason and finishing from BJs in general. While I enjoyed it it's almost a little too degrading for me / I feel like porn makes it seem better than it is ie you don't really see much.

Road head. Coming back one night she got super horny did it after I made her come in the car. I enjoyed it but the driving was hard. Probably best not on the highway. She really wanted to fuck but I didn't know where to pull over. Should've tried harder haha.

Now the bad. Noticed she disappeared from my messages and found she blocked my account. Paid for premium with burner account I use to browse and found her no problem. Had it set to hide views so I hope it worked w / the burner but still not a great feeling. Could be something, could be nothing but I guess all I can do is enjoy it.

[Steve 9696]

Think I mentioned I got a new number one at home. But don't think I posted the full sexcapades. Here's the report out from date 1. Date 2 was even a bit better in the bedroom. Since I knew she wa submissive I gave her blow by blow blowjob instructions and she took to it like a fish to water. Plus added in some improv and finished CIM swallow w a smile. Def a keeper.

I have a new favorite local girl. Still not up to par w my Brazilian nor my Italian girl but seems quite promising for my smallish city. And beggars can't be choosers. Better optics than Nerdy Girl and much better kissing and BJ than Fuck Bunny. Though they both remain on the backup roster and I'the probably make a date if they show any initiative.

I met Gina on Seeking about a month ago. Nice little chat and quick to WhatsApp. Some nice girlfriendy back and forth and she seemed a legit girl just looking for a bit on the side. At barely 21 she's a bit on the younger side but had a good girl next door vibe.

She signed up easy to my proposed dinner and intimacy menu but when discussing allowance she said she didn't really like asking for things and I should do what she deserved. This was a little bit of a red flag but I let it roll.

Took a bit to arrange a date between my travel and her work schedule (two jobs) but we finally worked it out. She said she likes Mexican and Chinese so we found a great taco place.

Day of the date she says will we meet there or will I pick her up and she says either works. So I say ok I will pick her up. But when she sends her address I am a bit sketched out because it's in a rough part of town and a really run down multi unit.

I don't really want to bail but I think it could be a setup because girls don't usually get in cars with strangers. After a bit of thought I have the epiphany and say babe I will send you an Uber and she is down with that. So it's on!

I arrive at the taco place a few minutes early and track her to the door. Very pleasant surprise when she walks in. She's looking smokin in low rise corduroys and a crop top sweater. She looks like her best picture yes but even better in person and love the sexy outfit.

Turns out she is basically a girl from the hood. Her current low income living conditions are a big step up from how she grew up. But the amazing thing is instead of being sad and bitter she is humble and grateful for the smallest kindness. Shockingly, despite our quite different backgrounds the conversation flows super well. It's darn clear that not only is she a solid person I can def improve her life.

We both order three tacos and they are pretty big. For a skinny girl that girl can eat. I only eat 2. 5 of mine and she asks if she can finish the third one and then asks super politely if I mind if she orders another. Damn she can put it away. And is still super slim.

At some point she mentions she hopes I don't mind that she vapes tho she didn't bring it with her. I say not only do I not mind but let's get you one on our way. So after the "want to get out of here" I take her to Shayla's (former SB) favorite smoke shop and get her a new vape. She is of course thrilled and I am so happy to do her small favors.

I get kind of a laugh when I pull into the hotel parking lot and she says "oh are spending the night? I woulda brought my PJs". Hahaha no girl only and hour or two. Checkin is easy and we are soon on the bed together making out.

At first it's a bit of dry humping and making out which frankly I love. I push my hard dick rhythmically against her pussy and we both are loving the kissing and rhythm. But soon enough I say it seems like we have on too many clothes and both get naked.

Often the girl initiates BJ but she's on her back. So I move to the side of the bed and position for Steve 2. I start fingering her and position my dick near her head, me on my knees. She takes the hint and starts a really nice slow in and out BJ.

Fingering her is great fun. She's sloppy wet from the get go and I start with my middle finger but soon have two fingers in stroking her gspot. She's left on her little no-show socks and I am enjoying watching her curl her toes as I pleasure her. Of course she is blowing me (the magic of Steve 2) and it feels absolutely great.

We must go at this for at least 15 minutes because we are both getting what we want but I'm getting a bit tired in that posture and flop to my back where she mounts up cowgirl. She has a great time riding and makes the ugliest faces like she's at a funeral so I know it's real. LOL.

After a while I switch to the Steve and give her a real pounding at the edge of the bed. It feels absolutely great but I don't threaten to blow a stack having whacked off day before and had several drinks. After a while I say "let's take a rest". I was thinking a short rest but she rolls over to spoon position like we're kinda done.

Of course here is where it's great she's a seeking girl and not a GF because I'm def not going to just be ok packing it in. So I let us both rest a bit and say "Can we do some more blowjob" and she says sure!

I position her between my legs (any of the rest of you care about symmetry? I don't like it from one side.) and she goes to town. Very credible in and out work. But then I ask her to do my balls. You can tell she doesn't do this a lot but she's earnest in her task. She's just licking away and I say you can suck too. So she does but not like the big ball suck of some girls. She's just doing a very thoughtful and gentle worshipping of my sack and it feels amazing. Like 10+ minutes of amazing and I am hard as a brick again.

I consider finishing in her mouth but honestly I want to fuck her again so I ask her to go doggie at end of bed and I slide in. She's not as wet as before so I start gentle but after a bit of fucking she is super wet again and I am pumping away.

I love that she says "You can be a lot rougher with me if you want, Steve" Ilove the way she used my name there in mid sex. It was just so endearing. And so I really start hammering. Making sure I hit hard and balls deep on every thrust. And man I can feel the build. I just keep hammering away and then pull and shoot a load on her butt and back. Niceeee!

Lovely wind down where she says "I'm sorry I'm not very good at blowjobs". Don't you love this girl? I assure her it was fine but going to let her take that humble submissive attitude and train her up just the way I like it next time!

As we wrap things up I ended up giving her $350 (sure she would have taken less but I wanna help her) which was in an envelope sight unseen. And even though she didn't even know what was in there, she said "I knew you were a nice guy Steve but I didn't know you would be this much fun. I'd love to see you again!" Again she has no idea how much I gave her and she wants to see me again — that’s my kinda girl. Definite repeat and hopefully a keeper for a bit.

[FilthyBeaver]

Out of curiosity how do you keep a roster so big? Not all, but I'd say most, of the girls I've seen are somewhat reliant on our meetings. Especially the legit college girls. I have known girls that I call once every blue moon but that is definitely the minority. I would think most would move on if they weren't getting the sugar regularly.


Think I mentioned I got a new number one at home. But don't think I posted the full sexcapades. Here's the report out from date 1. Date 2 was even a bit better in the bedroom. Since I knew she wa submissive I gave her blow by blow blowjob instructions and she took to it like a fish to water. Plus added in some improv and finished CIM swallow w a smile. Def a keeper.

I have a new favorite local girl. Still not up to par w my Brazilian nor my Italian girl but seems quite promising for my smallish city. And beggars can't be choosers. Better optics than Nerdy Girl and much better kissing and BJ than Fuck Bunny. Though they both remain on the backup roster and I'the probably make a date if they show any initiative.

I met Gina on Seeking about a month ago. Nice little chat and quick to WhatsApp. Some nice girlfriendy back and forth and she seemed a legit girl just looking for a bit on the side. At barely 21 she's a bit on the younger side but had a good girl next door vibe.

She signed up easy to my proposed dinner and intimacy menu but when discussing allowance she said she didn't really like asking for things and I should do what she deserved. This was a little bit of a red flag but I let it roll.

Took a bit to arrange a date between my travel and her work schedule (two jobs) but we finally worked it out. She said she likes Mexican and Chinese so we found a great taco place.

Day of the date she says will we meet there or will I pick her up and she says either works. So I say ok I will pick her up. But when she sends her address I am a bit sketched out because it's in a rough part of town and a really run down multi unit.

I don't really want to bail but I think it could be a setup because girls don't usually get in cars with strangers. After a bit of thought I have the epiphany and say babe I will send you an Uber and she is down with that. So it's on!

I arrive at the taco place a few minutes early and track her to the door. Very pleasant surprise when she walks in. She's looking smokin in low rise corduroys and a crop top sweater. She looks like her best picture yes but even better in person and love the sexy outfit.

Turns out she is basically a girl from the hood. Her current low income living conditions are a big step up from how she grew up. But the amazing thing is instead of being sad and bitter she is humble and grateful for the smallest kindness. Shockingly, despite our quite different backgrounds the conversation flows super well. It's darn clear that not only is she a solid person I can def improve her life.

We both order three tacos and they are pretty big. For a skinny girl that girl can eat. I only eat 2. 5 of mine and she asks if she can finish the third one and then asks super politely if I mind if she orders another. Damn she can put it away. And is still super slim.

At some point she mentions she hopes I don't mind that she vapes tho she didn't bring it with her. I say not only do I not mind but let's get you one on our way. So after the "want to get out of here" I take her to Shayla's (former SB) favorite smoke shop and get her a new vape. She is of course thrilled and I am so happy to do her small favors.

I get kind of a laugh when I pull into the hotel parking lot and she says "oh are spending the night? I woulda brought my PJs". Hahaha no girl only and hour or two. Checkin is easy and we are soon on the bed together making out.

At first it's a bit of dry humping and making out which frankly I love. I push my hard dick rhythmically against her pussy and we both are loving the kissing and rhythm. But soon enough I say it seems like we have on too many clothes and both get naked.

Often the girl initiates BJ but she's on her back. So I move to the side of the bed and position for Steve 2. I start fingering her and position my dick near her head, me on my knees. She takes the hint and starts a really nice slow in and out BJ.

Fingering her is great fun. She's sloppy wet from the get go and I start with my middle finger but soon have two fingers in stroking her gspot. She's left on her little no-show socks and I am enjoying watching her curl her toes as I pleasure her. Of course she is blowing me (the magic of Steve 2) and it feels absolutely great.

We must go at this for at least 15 minutes because we are both getting what we want but I'm getting a bit tired in that posture and flop to my back where she mounts up cowgirl. She has a great time riding and makes the ugliest faces like she's at a funeral so I know it's real. LOL.

After a while I switch to the Steve and give her a real pounding at the edge of the bed. It feels absolutely great but I don't threaten to blow a stack having whacked off day before and had several drinks. After a while I say "let's take a rest". I was thinking a short rest but she rolls over to spoon position like we're kinda done.

Of course here is where it's great she's a seeking girl and not a GF because I'm def not going to just be ok packing it in. So I let us both rest a bit and say "Can we do some more blowjob" and she says sure!

I position her between my legs (any of the rest of you care about symmetry? I don't like it from one side.) and she goes to town. Very credible in and out work. But then I ask her to do my balls. You can tell she doesn't do this a lot but she's earnest in her task. She's just licking away and I say you can suck too. So she does but not like the big ball suck of some girls. She's just doing a very thoughtful and gentle worshipping of my sack and it feels amazing. Like 10+ minutes of amazing and I am hard as a brick again.

I consider finishing in her mouth but honestly I want to fuck her again so I ask her to go doggie at end of bed and I slide in. She's not as wet as before so I start gentle but after a bit of fucking she is super wet again and I am pumping away.

I love that she says "You can be a lot rougher with me if you want, Steve" Ilove the way she used my name there in mid sex. It was just so endearing. And so I really start hammering. Making sure I hit hard and balls deep on every thrust. And man I can feel the build. I just keep hammering away and then pull and shoot a load on her butt and back. Niceeee!

Lovely wind down where she says "I'm sorry I'm not very good at blowjobs". Don't you love this girl? I assure her it was fine but going to let her take that humble submissive attitude and train her up just the way I like it next time!

As we wrap things up I ended up giving her $350 (sure she would have taken less but I wanna help her) which was in an envelope sight unseen. And even though she didn't even know what was in there, she said "I knew you were a nice guy Steve but I didn't know you would be this much fun. I'd love to see you again!" Again she has no idea how much I gave her and she wants to see me again thats my kinda girl. Definite repeat and hopefully a keeper for a bit.

[Steve 9696]

Out of curiosity how do you keep a roster so big? Not all, but I'd say most, of the girls I've seen are somewhat reliant on our meetings. Especially the legit college girls. I have known girls that I call once every blue moon but that is definitely the minority. I would think most would move on if they weren't getting the sugar regularly.I think we have to break this down into travel and home girls. With travel, the expectation is set from the start that I am a flyin guy and only going to be a couple times a year at best. This works fine for most girls. They are thrilled to have me show up and drop some nights out and cash on them. Maybe they have another SD more regular or a BF and I don't really care but they seem VERY happy to see me. I have girls on the roster that I met in 2018 that I still see (though that is a small number now). And the ones I really like I travel somewhere and that seals the deal. These girls are not going to be traveling in their own.

At home I am generally a one girl guy. It's just been hard to find a replacement for Shayla (and doubt I ever will that moved into the serious love category). So I've been balancing the three local girls of late. But as you say it's not always easy. Nerdy Girl and Gina are happy to get slices as they can. But had a serious convo w Fuck Bunny who wants me to be mor regular but I can't. We will see if she will take what she can get (I do like her!) or want to fade things out. She wants something regular and I thought she had that with another SD and I just filled the space but turns out she was exclusive w me (and her live in BF of seven years. LOL.). So we will see if I can keep her on the roster from time to time. But right now Gina has the ball. She’s never gonna be Shayla but I like her and the sex is good.

[FilthyBeaver]

When I've met girls away from home I've always made an effort to give them more than usual if I want to see them again. I want them to drop whatever they're doing when I return to make themselves available to me. It's mostly worked.

At home, I've always believed that once a girl fucks you she'll always be willing to fuck you. Problem is I'm only good for once maybe twice a week these days and a girl that fills that need is more than enough if she's the right girl. I've let the others go. I couldn't imagine trying to juggle 3 girls on an even semi regular basis, it just hurts my head. I'm fairly confident I can text a girl I haven't seen in a year and she'd be up for a meal and a fuck. Don't care to try it but I'm sure it'd work out.


I think we have to break this down into travel and home girls. With travel, the expectation is set from the start that I am a flyin guy and only going to be a couple times a year at best. This works fine for most girls. They are thrilled to have me show up and drop some nights out and cash on them. Maybe they have another SD more regular or a BF and I don't really care but they seem VERY happy to see me. I have girls on the roster that I met in 2018 that I still see (though that is a small number now). And the ones I really like I travel somewhere and that seals the deal. These girls are not going to be traveling in their own.

At home I am generally a one girl guy. It's just been hard to find a replacement for Shayla (and doubt I ever will that moved into the serious love category). So I've been balancing the three local girls of late. But as you say it's not always easy. Nerdy Girl and Gina are happy to get slices as they can. But had a serious convo w Fuck Bunny who wants me to be mor regular but I can't. We will see if she will take what she can get (I do like her!) or want to fade things out. She wants something regular and I thought she had that with another SD and I just filled the space but turns out she was exclusive w me (and her live in BF of seven years. LOL.). So we will see if I can keep her on the roster from time to time. But right now Gina has the ball. Shes never gonna be Shayla but I like her and the sex is good.

[AmericanPi]

When I've met girls away from home I've always made an effort to give them more than usual if I want to see them again. I want them to drop whatever they're doing when I return to make themselves available to me. It's mostly worked.
.This. 100%. I always give generously and then give more than asked. Our time is the most valuable thing at this point. A day lost to a flake is a horrible expensive waste.

You know what's a nice touch? When I take a girl to dinner, if she really liked what she ate I get her one to go. She walks out with a boxed plate of what she likes and the next day she eats it. And I always hear about it. And it helps ensure I'm always at the top of the list when my text comes in. And it's not an expensive cherry on top.

[Nachoy]

I'll add that I don't think seeking in general is for bargain hunters. There are pros there but if you're looking for a quick lay there are lots of options. If you want to dine, dance, build some kind of connection, etc then seeking is for you but it's been said a million times, it's a ton of work.Yes definitely leg work. I'm starting to figure out the routine. Dinner / Lunch then fun I'll been using pros outside seeking for quick fuck so it's a bit more adjustment for me to figure out how these semi pros work One thing I still have trouble with is photos of hot looking ones that I know are red flags possible flakes / scams / but still obsessed and hold on to the possibility that they are real and I continue to probe to see if they will meet or video chat and that's where the chat ends.

[Gfefan]

After a long hiatus, due to personal circumstances, I was out of game for last few months.

Back now and reinitiated membership. As cited by many, SA has gone downhill. Becoming increasingly difficult (later learned its same for girls too).

Signed up last week, messaged the "favorites" I had been accumulating over weeks before. Quite a few responses but many were right away $ (pros) or the babysitter story (scam).

Two progressed to meet. One was relatively fast and met quickly but seemed like she came for free lunch. Weirdly got food to go, had a drink with me and would not even let me touch her hand. Oh well, I am ok with a $75 waste.

The second one was more charming. Showed up casually in her work clothes. We had a great connection, though. Lot of talks, flirts.

We agreed to exchange test results this week and then meet up few days later. I have a feeling this is going to be a fuck fest. Can't wait. Wish me luck.

[The Cane]

After a long hiatus, due to personal circumstances, I was out of game for last few months.

Back now and reinitiated membership. As cited by many, SA has gone downhill. Becoming increasingly difficult (later learned its same for girls too).

Signed up last week, messaged the "favorites" I had been accumulating over weeks before. Quite a few responses but many were right away $ (pros) or the babysitter story (scam).

Two progressed to meet. One was relatively fast and met quickly but seemed like she came for free lunch. Weirdly got food to go, had a drink with me and would not even let me touch her hand. Oh well, I am ok with a $75 waste.

The second one was more charming. Showed up casually in her work clothes. We had a great connection, though. Lot of talks, flirts..You mean to tell me somebody showed up for a date and got food to go? Now that's a new shameful low in unacceptable behavior by these "soft-core" prostitutes! Unbelievable!

[Elvis 2008]

It is pretty funny I have a friend who wants what I have, and he tends to focus on one woman for too long. He needs to cast a wider net. I think with SBs, I only did long term with one out of every 10 seeking dates or maybe even less. I thought about the high quality women my gal hangs around and I realized the only way they would meet him is if they were looking for work.

I was pretty sure banging the boss is acceptable in Colombia but my gal has a friend who is a lawyer and we were talking about something else, and I brought it up. If my gal had not know my friend, I am not sure the asking for the friend line would have worked. When I asked the lawyer, ironically, her husband jumped in. He was like, "Oh yeah, it is fine. One, two, or three. Most of my friends do it. It is fine, perfectly fine here in Colombia". He went on for like 5 minutes, and it took all my willpower to not say, "Dude, your wife is sitting right there. You might want to shut up."

But yeah, the sexual harassment laws in Colombia per them were practically nonexistent. My friend told me to look at hiring my gal as an assistant, and I was like, "Yeah, that makes sense. " so I looked into it and was shocked at how easy it was. From my POV, I just have to have her fill out IRS form W-8 BEN. Ironically, you just have to have the person you hire fill this out every 3 years. You do not have to submit to the IRS; you just need it if audited.

Countries have independent contractor agreements that you have to follow but Colombia does not. Thing is she has to pay taxes on what she collects if the work she did was in Colombia. However, unlike in the USA where you are often required to pay taxes on what you earn abroad, if she can claim to have worked in a country without income tax (Bahamas, Cayman Islands) then she would not pay any tax. That makes a nice excuse to head out to a fun tax haven, but ultimately, the tax burden is on her and not you.

Thing is this guy has oodles of paperwork and he is paying $40,000 a year to an American. I laughed and said he could probably get 3 or 4 Colombians for that. So not only would you have more women working and you can be banging them, each would probably do a better job than what you are getting now.

I told him I could get him a translator and figure out the best places to put the help wanted ads. He wanted them to speak English but I said he could pay for English language schooling as a cheap perk. They are ample on line classes in Colombia. But I am kind of anxious to see if this works out. Has anyone ever heard of this before or done this?

Mark Cuban described the natural phase of a fad is first the innovators, then the imitators, and then the idiots. After reading the comments, I wonder if we are the idiot phase now. It sure seems like that in the USA.

[VanessasClient]

After a long hiatus, due to personal circumstances, I was out of game for last few months.

Back now and reinitiated membership. As cited by many, SA has gone downhill. Becoming increasingly difficult (later learned its same for girls too).

Signed up last week, messaged the "favorites" I had been accumulating over weeks before. Quite a few responses but many were right away $ (pros) or the babysitter story (scam).

Two progressed to meet. One was relatively fast and met quickly but seemed like she came for free lunch. Weirdly got food to go, had a drink with me and would not even let me touch her hand. Oh well, I am ok with a $75 waste.

The second one was more charming. Showed up casually in her work clothes. We had a great connection, though. Lot of talks, flirts.

We agreed to exchange test results this week and then meet up few days later. I have a feeling this is going to be a fuck fest. Can't wait. Wish me luck.Tell more more about the babysitter scam. Is that when they ask you to send them money electronically, saying they can't meet in person without funds to hire a sitter?

[AmericanPi]

Been getting a surge of messages lately from long since seen SBs. Of course I'm curious as to why. So I ask each one. It's a range. This one needs money for school which is starting. That one feels sick and needs money to see the doctor (no universal care in her country). The next one has her phone turned off.

It's funny and sad at the same time. There's a notion in the US that half the country couldn't come up with 400 dollars if they needed it. This is that population. It's like they need a quick infusion of cash and must be thinking "what about that guy from 1.5 years ago who gave me 6000 pesos or 500 bucks that one night. Maybe he'll do it again. " Honestly I don't hate this.

[FilthyBeaver]

To be fair, $400 was a lot of money to me in my early 20's. I remember losing $300 in Vegas back then and my friend freaking out because it was so much money 🤑.

Not sure I'd see any of them but reinforces my point from a few days ago.


Been getting a surge of messages lately from long since seen SBs. Of course I'm curious as to why. So I ask each one. It's a range. This one needs money for school which is starting. That one feels sick and needs money to see the doctor (no universal care in her country). The next one has her phone turned off.

It's funny and sad at the same time. There's a notion in the US that half the country couldn't come up with 400 dollars if they needed it. This is that population. It's like they need a quick infusion of cash and must be thinking "what about that guy from 1.5 years ago who gave me 6000 pesos or 500 bucks that one night. Maybe he'll do it again. " Honestly I don't hate this.

[Zzzzzz6]

Does anybody here have any ideas / suggestions / thoughts on finding sugar babies 'off the beaten path'? Preferably in first world countries, because third world countries have a different 'dynamic'.

I'm not really too satisfied with the 'quality' of women on the conventional platforms (Seeking Arrangement, SDM, MSD), so I figured: why limit myself to those platforms? I've already tried quite a few things, so I'll share the results of those 'experiments'.

My most successful attempt was a video on TikTok (LOL). Basically, I took a picture of a stack of cash in a luxury hotel room (along with a handwritten note with my username on it) and put a line of text on it along the lines of 'Are you interested in a sugar daddy?' (in my native language, however). It went 'viral' (over 10 k views within a few hours, and then it got deleted) after a lot of trial and error, and I got quite a lot of messages. I can elaborate on this approach some more, but I'll leave things here for now.

I tried 'advertising' on dating apps like Tinder and Badoo, but I feel as if this approach is pretty much impossible. First of all, your profile will barely have any visibility in the first place (unless you're significantly above average, in terms of attractiveness). Secondly, the word filter will probably catch any references to 'dating for benefits' in your biography (and if not, you'll get reported at some point).

I've also toyed with the idea of simply messaging random women on social media (Instagram, TikTok). I've never actually done this, but I think that this method could be quite successful (with the right preparation and the right approach). You'd need an Instagram account that exudes wealth and looks legitimate / trustworthy (bonus points if you're relatively young and look decent). You pick your 'target', send her a flirty message to break the ice (a specific compliment, for instance), and then you ask her how she feels about 'sugar dating'.

[AmericanPi]

I actually posted this on USASG but figured I'the post here too because people need to know.

I am traveling to a 3rd tier us city so the seeking pickings were slim. So I figured I'd try out a backup site. Signed up for Secret Benefits.

It's a different model. You pay to send messages.

One thing you learn pretty quickly is that all of those users with the green "online now" sign are totally a lie. They aren't online and they probably haven't been for a long time. They had like 40 people "online" in this midwestern city when even the great seeking only had like 6 people that had even logged in in the past 2 days.

You will be shocked, shocked I say, to learn 2 things.

1. I got a steady drumbeat of girls, like 3 per day, in that city messaging me directly. Surprise: you have to pay to read the messages.

2. Not one person ever returned a message I wrote, either directly or in response to the girls reach outs.

It doesn't take long to realize this site is 99.9% fake and just honey potting its users.

[Steve 9696]

I actually posted this on USASG but figured I'the post here too because people need to know.

I am traveling to a 3rd tier us city so the seeking pickings were slim. So I figured I'd try out a backup site. Signed up for Secret Benefits.

It's a different model. You pay to send messages.

One thing you learn pretty quickly is that all of those users with the green "online now" sign are totally a lie. They aren't online and they probably haven't been for a long time. They had like 40 people "online" in this midwestern city when even the great seeking only had like 6 people that had even logged in in the past 2 days.

You will be shocked, shocked I say, to learn 2 things.

1. I got a steady drumbeat of girls, like 3 per day, in that city messaging me directly. Surprise: you have to pay to read the messages.

2. Not one person ever returned a message I wrote, either directly or in response to the girls reach outs.

It doesn't take long to realize this site is 99.9% fake and just honey potting its users.Yeah 100% scam. In addition to all those girls messaging you, they weren't even doing it! A seeking GF of mine said she went on there and there were guys contacting her and saying thanks for contacting them! She never sent any messages! Site was sending them for her. Total 100% scam.

[VanessasClient]

I still stand behind my statement that Seeking the USA god awful, beyond any measure. The sense of entitlement and sheer vanity of most girls in America on the site, compared to girls in South America, is off the charts. This country corrupts women. I sure hope the US is not spreading it's cultural influence regarding "feminism" to the rest of the world. If so, everyone is doomed.

[Steve 9696]

Met Lila on Seeking earlier this year. Was a bit of an odd date because we met up for sushi lunch but then she had to go to the doctor w her Gran. And we met up again at 6 PM and had an amazing session at the hotel. Not the usual start!

But I could tell from minute one this girl is a ball of bubbly chatty energy and perfect for me. So a month or two later I flew her to Vegas and we had such fun. Great dinners out. Lounging in the pool. But the highlight was Latin dancing for four hours the last night. OMG it was soooo fun. Couldn't wait to hook up with this force of nature again.

As luck would have it, I was flying to her home city for a work event. She could only get off two nights from work (classic seeking girl, non pro, with second shift low wage job). But they were a great two nights.

First night we went to a vibey Asian fusion spot. I knew we were going to pickup where we left off when she got of the elevator and squealed and rushed over to kiss me. The waitress seated us same side of table which I love. And such amazing animated conversation. Nothing off limits. We talked spouses and girlfriends (her also!) and Scandallo and FKK and she was just fascinated and said she loved the idea of such places. Just an amazing force of life.

After dinner we bounce to a Latin dancing place. I love how Mexican restaurants convert to dance floors late night. And it being her hometown she knows them all. So she picks something close to my hotel and we are off. We both have vehicles so we drop mine at the hotel and she drives her monster truck! Nothing like a smokin hot Mexican blasting thru town in her monster truck. It was hot as fuck.

At the club we have an amazing time. It's just a small place but there is a local dance celeb there making the dance floor fun. We dance on the other side of the bar more intimately and what fun. She is teaching me bachata and I am catching on fast and she is thrilled. We just have a great time and kill a few ranch waters (tequila and soda) before heading to the hotel.

Lovely time in the room. We both get naked fast and it's me on top making out and grinding junk. She likes to kiss which I love. After a bit I head down to her tits which are lovely firm Bcups. She's the type where her tits are connected to her pussy so I know as I suck them hard and deep she is moaning and writhing and I know she's getting wet.

Eventually I work my way down and tease her good with kissing and licking everywhere but her pussy. And when I do finally touch her clit it's electric. I recall that she likes clit sucking / licking with gspot circles (pays to write this down!) and so that's my plan. She has quite meaty lips so I suck on them some and move them aside to give direct clit access. A lot of sucking and bottom lip slip side and she is going nuts.

I learned in vegas that I don't want her to quite get her nut. Some girls go into grateful pleaser mode after they cum. And others feel a bit exhausted and done and she is the latter and I'm having none of that! So I don't let her quite get there and instead mount up. Fuck she feels amazing. I focus mostly on missionary and the Steve as my faves. Damn I fuck her good!

I can't quite recall all the sex or the order. There is def some BJ in there. And we do 69 for quite some time. Some cowgirl and a ton of mish and the Steve. That said as some point she does tire and kinda rolls on her side facing away from me. She'the done this in vegas and I let it just die there. But not this time.

So I lightly stroke my dick against her. And then grind a bit. And put her hand on my dick. Eventually she catches her breath and knows I want to finish. So good girl that she is she rolls back over and starts a between the legs BJ. Very solid and I am directing her a bit on ball work. Eventually I feel the build and get her on consistent shaft work. That long black hair in my hands. The view of those thick natural Latina lips up and down my shaft. And boom! A beautiful CIM blast. Ahhhhhh.

We sleep the sleep of the dead and she slips out some time early morning to take her Grampa to the airport but lets me sleep on. We already have plans to meetup night after next and it's even more epic. Stay tuned! This girl is my number one seeking crush right now — and that despite my three home girl rotation and my solid euro and Brazil GFs. She's just a wonderful amazing human and joy to be with in all ways. Can't wait to see her again!

[Steve 9696]

I still stand behind my statement that Seeking the USA god awful, beyond any measure. The sense of entitlement and sheer vanity of most girls in America on the site, compared to girls in South America, is off the charts. This country corrupts women. I sure hope the US is not spreading it's cultural influence regarding "feminism" to the rest of the world. If so, everyone is doomed.Totally agree with this. Seeking is shooting fish in a barrel outside US. And shoot urself in the head in the US. But to be fair that is a generalization. Yes 99.9% suck but that. 1% can be amazing. It's just exhausting but as I said I am stunned to have three girls in my local smallish city competing for my $$/ affection so it def can work still.

[Laj505]

I have recently completed my holidays in morocco and I spent nights with total 3 girls on my entire trip.

1st girl for 2 days completely in Rabat, 2nd girl for 2 days in marekesh, and final one for 2 day Casablanca. Surprisingly all the girls have looks which is mix of arabian and spanish looks and prices for first 24 hrs is around 300 to 400 usd, as I booked for 48 hrs so got them at 600 to 700 USD. Very nice behaviour, awesome intimacy and cooperative.

I plan next to central europe and talking to some ukraine or polish girls. Ukraine girls are proposing they will come to warswas by a cab and then can fly to any european city and ask rate is 200 to 350 USD max for 24 hrs and discounts on multiple days. Looks genuine from conversation but ukraine girls ask for cab and flight fare to their paypal before leaving their country and polish girls want money or I can buy tickets for them.

For ukraine girls asking money for tickets by paypal is this normal or some scam. Can anyone elaborate.

I would love to meet the girls as they chat well and damm hot. If anyone has experience kindly write here.

[FilthyBeaver]

Don't ever send money to someone you've never met in person. I assure you they will gladly take it and never speak to you again. If you don't believe me, send me $500 and I'll send you a 10 for an entire week to do as you please. I must warn you that she hates condoms, clothes, and fancy food.

FYI, that "damn hot" girl is a guy named Boris.



For ukraine girls asking money for tickets by paypal is this normal or some scam. Can anyone elaborate.

I would love to meet the girls as they chat well and damm hot. If anyone has experience kindly write here.

[Ailton]

1st girl for 2 days completely in Rabat, 2nd girl for 2 days in marekesh, and final one for 2 day Casablanca. Surprisingly all the girls have looks which is mix of arabian and spanish looks and prices for first 24 hrs is around 300 to 400 usd, as I booked for 48 hrs so got them at 600 to 700 USD. Very nice behaviour, awesome intimacy and cooperative.Did the Hotels allow you to bring them to your room? Or did you book a second room? I would love to try out Morocco, but the hotel problem has kept me away so far.



For ukraine girls asking money for tickets by paypal is this normal or some scam. Can anyone elaborate.

I would love to meet the girls as they chat well and damm hot. If anyone has experience kindly write here.These are scams. Don't fall for it.

[Steve 9696]

So despite the fact that Seeking mostly sucks balls in the US, it can deliver the rare gem if you put in the work. And once you find the gem, repeating is easy and comfortable and frankly better than any unpaid GF you ever had and def better than the hourly escort gig. It's unique and wonderful and worth every ounce of bullshit (which is measured in pounds if not tons). Here's how day 2 went down.

Yes. She's absolutely beautiful. And yeah she's a bubbly ball of fun. But damn she's just a nice person and great GF as well. As we are planning our date that night by text, she offers to help me dump my rental car since I have an early morning flight and just drive me after the club. What a great and thoughtful idea.

So I drive to the Rental Car center at the airport and drop my car and she picks me up there. I can't tell you how fun it is to be the passenger for a change. My girl driving us all over the city catching great food and dancing.

We start at an amazing Mexican restaurant with rooftop dancing late night. It's high end Mexican with valet parking and amazing food. I change the table setup to sit adjacent again and she likes that, putting her hand on my thigh and holding hands quite a bit. Food is excellent and it's very romantic.

After dinner we head up to the rooftop. Unfortunately it's dead with only a handful of people. It's a lovely place but just no one there. Shame. Of course one thing I love about her is she is not shy. I can't tell you how many girls would be "no one else is dancing I'the be embarrassed ". Not her! We get some ranch water and a margarita and start cutting a rug right there at the bar.

Of course we can only generate so much vibe ourselves so we are considering a move when they announce last call and they are closing at midnight instead of 2. Damn. Well that turns out to be great. She's consulted her phone and lightly suggests a gay club thinking I will not be down as the old white dude but I am all over it and she is thrilled.

Side note: if you haven't taken your girl to a gay club you are missing out. They are off the hook free and fun and not to be missed. Put all your homophobe shit in a box for a night. You won't be sorry.

Anyhow we find a vibey Latin gay club on the gay bar strip part of town. Not packed (like Heaven in London will have 400 people midweek!) but prob 30 people having fun. We are one of the only pure straight couples but it's a hugely accepting place and no one even gives us a glance. I change to Red Bull vodka to make sure I can keep up w my girl and we hit the floor.

Both of us are pretty lit by now so the dancing is off the hook sexy. She does show me a few more moves and I do a credible job but mostly I dance like I don't give two fucks. As she dances a lot and has taken lessons the small compliments she gives me mean a lot. And the grinding is on point. She will turn around and back into me and I will pull her close hands on hips and we will grind and slow fuck there on the floor. Damn she's a hottie. I took some videos which I will watch daily!

Although we would both dance for hours we are painfully aware of my early AM flight and decide we best make a break to have time for lots of good fucking before the flight. But not before a bit of late night comedy. She's left the lights of her truck on and the batteries dead.

This leads to me flagging down trucks full of gay Mexicans leaving the club scene late night and trying to find jumper cables. Of course they don't speak English and the old white dude doesn't know jumper cables in Spanish so when I get one to stop she rushes over and talks animatedly in Spanish till we hit pay dirt. The guys are super nice and do all the work and voila we are back in business.

Damn back at the room we are so comfortable. We get naked and flop on the bed. Very similar routine. Making out. Damn I loooove kissing. And then awesome tit work. I know just what she likes and I love fingering her and feeling her respond. Once again quite a bit of awesome DATY but not till finish.

The fucking in Mish and the Steve is divine and her blowjob is on point tonight but damn we are drunk as fuck and eventually sorta pack it in. She goes to shower and I realize I'm not quite wanting to finish without finishing! So I just wank lightly to stay hard.

When she returns from the shower she flops on her back looking sexy as hell. I am still wanking lightly. So. I rear up on my knees between her legs so she is watching me. And after a bit I put her hand on her pussy. This is really for me but she starts the slow circles and I can see she's starting to enjoy herself. I slide in my thumb into her sloppy goodness and that is making me hard as a brick.

Despite some really enjoyable spit wabking and pussy feeling I am hard but not going to cum. But I have an inspiration. Why not go again? I move her hand and put my hard dick on her clit and continue the clit massage. It feels great but I want her around me. So I push my dick down just an inch or two and slide in.

Damn she feels fine. And my hard cock is soooo ready now. It must feel great to her also because she starts to clamp. She has what I call a paint roll style orgasm where her pelvic floor pushes down hard. I've only felt it with girls before when fingering. But she starts orgasming and it's pushing me out and making it hard to fuck!

Fortunately I keep the slip slide going long enough for her O to pass and mine build. I start to build and can feel a massive shot coming which I pull out and shoot on her stomach. Damn I am glad I started that extra round. It was a drink inspired moment of greatness and we both got a massive O in the end. Win win.

Damn this girl is solidly my new crush. Yes I have GFs that are prettier and yes some better on the sex front. But damn for a bubbly chatty dancing machine and solid fucking I am all in! Love this girl!

[Laj505]

Did the Hotels allow you to bring them to your room? Or did you book a second room? I would love to try out Morocco, but the hotel problem has kept me away so far.

These are scams. Don't fall for it.You have to book two hotel rooms but can stay in one. Also no PDA in public spaces. But inside room the girls are hot and deliver good. Complete crazy sex.

But buddy, those ukraine girls are damm good at convincing. They continuously texting and sending screenshots of flights and all. Looks like interested but I guess better not to waste money on a scam.

[Laj505]

Don't ever send money to someone you've never met in person. I assure you they will gladly take it and never speak to you again. If you don't believe me, send me $500 and I'll send you a 10 for an entire week to do as you please. I must warn you that she hates condoms, clothes, and fancy food.

FYI, that "damn hot" girl is a guy named Boris.Should I ask for video call? Few even agreed for video call.

Also looks like flying any girl is risky. Always meet them at their country and then maybe can bring them as my holiday partner.

Any opinion on polish girls? Any ukraine girls Whats their standard charges?

Who is that girl you mentioned who is a 10.

[DramaFree11]

I have recently completed my holidays in morocco and I spent nights with total 3 girls on my entire trip.

1st girl for 2 days completely in Rabat, 2nd girl for 2 days in marekesh, and final one for 2 day Casablanca. Surprisingly all the girls have looks which is mix of arabian and spanish looks and prices for first 24 hrs is around 300 to 400 usd, as I booked for 48 hrs so got them at 600 to 700 USD. Very nice behaviour, awesome intimacy and cooperative.

I plan next to central europe and talking to some ukraine or polish girls. Ukraine girls are proposing they will come to warswas by a cab and then can fly to any european city and ask rate is 200 to 350 USD max for 24 hrs and discounts on multiple days. Looks genuine from conversation but ukraine girls ask for cab and flight fare to their paypal before leaving their country and polish girls want money or I can buy tickets for them.

For ukraine girls asking money for tickets by paypal is this normal or some scam. Can anyone elaborate.

I would love to meet the girls as they chat well and damm hot. If anyone has experience kindly write here.Avoid Ukraine girls at all cost. 99% of the time it is just a scam.

As others said do not fly girls in unless you have already met a few times.

[Steve 9696]

Should I ask for video call? Few even agreed for video call.

Also looks like flying any girl is risky. Always meet them at their country and then maybe can bring them as my holiday partner.

Any opinion on polish girls? Any ukraine girls Whats their standard charges?

Who is that girl you mentioned who is a 10.Definitely never send a girl cash that you haven't met. Whether she is local or fly in doesn't matter. Never send cash ahead. Never ever. Also tho never fly a girl you haven't met and slept with. Fuck you will be together a few days. You better like each other for more than sex.

That said once you have met up and fly a girl there is nothing better. Fair warning I was even burned once on a girl I thought I knew well back in 2019. But prob 10 trips since then with flying in a girl I know and damn. It's the best.

Ps video call solves nothing. Just means she’s a real person. Doesn’t mean she’s not gonna just keep ur dough and go fuck her bf.

[Shyzai]

Hi guys,

I am not new to seeking since I have been using it-on and off-in SoCal, and when the fat women started asking for 1 k USD ppm, that's when I knew I had to bail, LOL. So I started testing the waters on Tijuana seeking and this lady asked for 25 k pesos per month. She also added that this is apart from the hotel and travel fees I would also be responsible for.

We would be meeting weekly. I can afford it since it comes down to $361 per meet, which is a bargain here, but the manner in which she just threw out the number just left a bad taste in my mouth.

https://members.seeking.com/member/398b646d-77fc-4672-be9e-d11204653be2

[Gfefan]

Exactly what happened. She was quick to respond texts. Didn't ask for $ to m&g. I followed the "let's meet and close the deal" and agreed to meet at a restaurant. She came, chatted a but, ordered food to go. I was like "hmmm. Maybe she doesn't like me" but she was upset that I closed the check and prepared to leave because she wasn't trying to communicate she doesn't like me. But, she wouldn't allow me to even touch her hand.

Weird. Cut my losses and left.


You mean to tell me somebody showed up for a date and got food to go? Now that's a new shameful low in unacceptable behavior by these "soft-core" prostitutes! Unbelievable!

[Gfefan]

They will talk sweet, setup a M&G. But the will somehow have a kid that magically appears or a grandma who needs a caretaker and ask you for $ to cover.

This has always been the case but now that I return after a long hiatus, he frequency if such scams are alarming. If seeking doesn't fix this, I am sure it's going downhill from here. For now, I have found a sweet one (1 to fuck from nearly 40+ leads) and going to keep her. Seeking is becoming more and more work as days pass. Sad but true.


Tell more more about the babysitter scam. Is that when they ask you to send them money electronically, saying they can't meet in person without funds to hire a sitter?

[Steve 9696]

Have a friend who plays internationally at clubs but doesn't do Seeking. Too afraid of blowback w the wife. But he's in Mexico looking for action in a college town. So I pulled my pics off the site and went gem mining. Snagged two hotties for him and sent over to his Whatsapps to seal the deal. Has one on for tomorrow night!

What are friends for after all?

[Steve 9696]

Wow. Seeking can be so interesting. Because it's real world. So as you know I been kinda juggling three home girls trying to find the one. It kinda settled on Gina because she's a nice compromise all around. Attractive. Sweet. Submissive. Great BJ. What's not to like.

Then tonight. I reunited with Fuck Bunny who I hadn't seen in two months. And damn I like that girl! Yes her kissing and BJ are mediocre. But we met up for a platonic reunion just to reconnect and DAMN I like that girl. Solid nine with spectacular dcups on a petite Mexicans frame. And we literally chatted and laughed and drank for three hours with no sexual connection except making out twice at the bathrooms. LOL. And it was an amazing. Best three hours ever with a girl with her clothes on. She's really keeper.

Got to make her my prime. No question. Going to meetup and fuck Sunday. Damn I like this girl!

[HumbleHal]

They will talk sweet, setup a M&G. But they will somehow have a kid that magically appears or a grandma who needs a caretaker and ask you for $ to cover.
I simply hang up the phone if they want money to meet. Not worth wasting my time, it never ends. If you agree to help them with gas money, then they need money for a babysitter. And not $30, more like $200. So best just to hang up the phone.

Your time has to be worth more than theirs anyway, are you supposed to be the one supporting them financially because you earn more? When I have told them that I get more argument, so JUST HANG UP!

[VanessasClient]

For ukraine girls asking money for tickets by paypal is this normal or some scam. Can anyone elaborate.

I would love to meet the girls as they chat well and damm hot. If anyone has experience kindly write here.NEVER send money to a woman you haven't had sex with before, and are established with. If you want to take that level of risk, then you tell them to send you their passport, and you will buy the ticket for them, and the cost of getting from their house to the airport is their responsibility. And no, they cannot have cash because they don't have a suitcase to travel with, or for any other "bullshit" excuse.

She can't do anything with a ticket in her name, other than possibly take the flight and attempt to dodge you on arrival. Which, if they are as financially strapped as they appear / claim, that would be stupid. They would be stranded in a foreign country with barely enough money for food and uber / taxi. Plus you could immediately cancel the hotel reservation and end the return portion of the round trip flight. They would be quite thoroughly butt fucked at that point; possibly sleeping at the airport and asking for food handouts from strangers who might not even speak their language.

Even if it is a refundable ticket, and she cancels it, the money goes back to your credit card, and not to her as cash.

NEVER EVER EVER send cash to someone you don't have a physical rapport with. If they don't have the wherewithal to find someone to watch their kid, get basic travel supplies, or anyone else they would request money for, then you need to move on to the next girl.

I have sent money to girls I've hooked up with in the past, and the results have been mixed. Some were honest and kept their word; others were cheats. But you have to be prepared to lose the money either way; just like investing in a high risk security.

[AmericanPi]

Wise words you wrote.

The few times I was stupid enough to send an advance gift I regretted it. Even if I wasn't breadcrumbed, which I was, it would've set the precedent that that's how things go. Pay first and then we'll talk about what's next.

The other many times I said I'm sorry I don't or can't send digital cash before I meet someone, I was rewarded for it. Eg a girl immediately blocks you and you realize oh it was in fact a scam.

Wisdom is the ability to learn from the mistakes of others and not need to learn them yourself.


NEVER send money to a woman you haven't had sex with before, and are established with. If you want to take that level of risk, then you tell them to send you their passport, and you will buy the ticket for them, and the cost of getting from their house to the airport is their responsibility. And no, they cannot have cash because they don't have a suitcase to travel with, or for any other "bullshit" excuse.

She can't do anything with a ticket in her name, other than possibly take the flight and attempt to dodge you on arrival. Which, if they are as financially strapped as they appear / claim, that would be stupid. They would be stranded in a foreign country with barely enough money for food and uber / taxi. Plus you could immediately cancel the hotel reservation and end the return portion of the round trip flight. They would be quite thoroughly butt fucked at that point; possibly sleeping at the airport and asking for food handouts from strangers who might not even speak their language.

Even if it is a refundable ticket, and she cancels it, the money goes back to your credit card, and not to her as cash..

[Gfefan]

Wise words.

I do NOT send money in advance at all. Unless I have known, met many times and have a connection with the girl.

My best ever in Spain. We know each other for nearly 3. 5 years now. Met, dated, and fucked many times in first two years. Then, I moved.

These days, while traveling, I go to Spain to see her but that is more like once in six months.

Last year, I learned from. Her friend that she had a minor accident and insurance did not cover about 1 k EUR. Lot for her but this girl never asked me.

I sent it over without she asking me. And she first refused before reluctantly agreeing to keep it on the condition that it's a loan and she will return it. As we were on different continents, I said OK andshe used it for paying debt.

3 months later, when we met, this Cutie gave me 500 EUR and said she will pay remainder when we meet next.

I left the entire 500 plus her allowance in her bag beforei left Spain. I later was chided for doing so. She simply wants to return my money.

I am going to take it next time we meet because she doesn't want to feel indebted to someone. I understand that sentiment.

But, boy, I must admit. The tender girl friend experience with her only keeps getting better and as a result our sex keeps getting better. If I met her more frequently, I think we will lose it. So, deliberately keeping it once every 4 months or so.

Best girl, best sex, and she will do me even if I don't pay her.


NEVER send money to a woman you haven't had sex with before, and are established with. If you want to take that level of risk, then you tell them to send you their passport, and you will buy the ticket for them, and the cost of getting from their house to the airport is their responsibility. And no, they cannot have cash because they don't have a suitcase to travel with, or for any other "bullshit" excuse.

She can't do anything with a ticket in her name, other than possibly take the flight and attempt to dodge you on arrival. Which, if they are as financially strapped as they appear / claim, that would be stupid. They would be stranded in a foreign country with barely enough money for food and uber / taxi. Plus you could immediately cancel the hotel reservation and end the return portion of the round trip flight. They would be quite thoroughly butt fucked at that point; possibly sleeping at the airport and asking for food handouts from strangers who might not even speak their language.

Even if it is a refundable ticket, and she cancels it, the money goes back to your credit card, and not to her as cash.

NEVER EVER EVER send cash to someone you don't have a physical rapport with. If they don't have the wherewithal to find someone to watch their kid, get basic travel supplies, or anyone else they would request money for, then you need to move on to the next girl.

I have sent money to girls I've hooked up with in the past, and the results have been mixed. Some were honest and kept their word; others were cheats. But you have to be prepared to lose the money either way; just like investing in a high risk security.

[Indy69]

For ukraine girls asking money for tickets by paypal is this normal or some scam. Can anyone elaborate.

I would love to meet the girls as they chat well and damm hot. If anyone has experience kindly write here.Echo the thoughts of others here. Never, ever, ever, no matter how hot the girl, how harrowing the apparent bind she is in give her money in advance for anything. Unless you have a very well established relationship / arrangement. And even then. I've made the mistake of giving advances to girls I thought I knew and who I'd fucked multiple times, only for them to ghost me.

As for Ukraine girls, I just wouldn't entertain them. Unless they are in your country and down to meet, trying to set something up involving international travel for a first meet is just going to be a waste of your time, unless you are the one doing the travelling and the girl is for your entertainment. Hence I quickly bin Ukraine based girls who come into my matches / orbit. Both my time and my money are valuable to me.

[NoBuglyFitches]

She can't do anything with a ticket in her name Depending on the ticket and airline rules, if she misses the flight or cancels it, she might get flight credit -- in her name. I. e. It doesn't go back to your card. Then the scammer can cash it out by buying another plane ticket for someone else. I've had girls ask for train tickets and I assumed it's some scam, then I found the explanation on reddit.

[VanessasClient]

Depending on the ticket and airline rules, if she misses the flight or cancels it, she might get flight credit -- in her name. I. e. It doesn't go back to your card. Then the scammer can cash it out by buying another plane ticket for someone else. I've had girls ask for train tickets and I assumed it's some scam, then I found the explanation on reddit.I guess that's possible, but if you are the authority on the ticket, that would make it very difficult. If the flight credit went back to my email address, I would still have the redemption even if it's in her name. If someone did something like that, then I would sell her passport info on the dark web to help cover the loss, then file a chargeback with my credit card company. I can see a scammer potentially poking holes in a plane ticket, but it's way less risky than sending cash.

[Steve 9696]

I think we all agree. Never ever send money or tickets to a girl you don't know. But a couple cautionary tales about being too trusting with girls you DO know.

I spend a weekend with a seeking girl in Buenos Aires. She was amazing. I dug her. She dug me. It was the real deal. So I flew her to London. And once she got there she dumped me. Had some other guy in BA put her up at a $600/ night hotel so she wouldn't stay with me. And she fucked guys all over town after I flew her there! What a biatch. Thought I knew her. Was wrong.

And more recently. A girl I have know for five years. She borrowed 200. Paid it back. She borrowed 500 paid it back. Now she's into me for 2000 and has ghosted me. Thought I knew her. I was wrong.

Now that said these are a couple fails amongst a mountain of successes. But you never even know with girls you know. And you sure as he'll don't know with girls you don't know. So just keep your wits about you and enjoy the ride!

[FilthyBeaver]

This kind of shit happens all the time. I would bat a lash over it. If they ever ask for something above and beyond our status quo, I make it clear it's a gift. Anything else and you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Or worse, losing someone you really like.

Short on rent money? Fine so long as it's occasional. Need an advance on the next liaison? Fine. When and if they try to remind me the next time we meet that I have credit I give it to them anyway. I pat myself on the back and know I've got an honest one.

I don't let anything come up that I don't mind losing. One time I met a girl for dinner and it went awesome. She was hurting for tuition money and I agreed to give her what she was short to just have dinner with me (which was dumb but I don't regret because we ended up having a good time). We were supposed to continue at my place but she ended up getting too drunk to drive herself. Next day we meet again and I offer her a 4 digit sum to spend the weekend with me. Mostly knowing she needed the help and she was cute enough to really do it for me. She agrees, I give her the money, and a few hours later she "feels sick" and wants to go home then proceeds to ghost me. Oh well, cost of doing business. If I let it upset me I'd miss out on the positive experiences and there are way more of those.


I think we all agree. Never ever send money or tickets to a girl you don't know. But a couple cautionary tales about being too trusting with girls you DO know.

I spend a weekend with a seeking girl in Buenos Aires. She was amazing. I dug her. She dug me. It was the real deal. So I flew her to London. And once she got there she dumped me. Had some other guy in BA put her up at a $600/ night hotel so she wouldn't stay with me. And she fucked guys all over town after I flew her there! What a biatch. Thought I knew her. Was wrong.

And more recently. A girl I have know for five years. She borrowed 200. Paid it back. She borrowed 500 paid it back. Now she's into me for 2000 and has ghosted me. Thought I knew her. I was wrong.

Now that said these are a couple fails amongst a mountain of successes. But you never even know with girls you know. And you sure as he'll don't know with girls you don't know. So just keep your wits about you and enjoy the ride!

[HumbleHal]

At a restaurant, tonight I met a fatty who posted that her body type was "slim" and some of her photos were large in the butt. I passed on her a month ago, recently she said she had had "liposuction" a few weeks ago, another lie. On the way to dinner she called me lying that she was almost out of gas and was wondering if I had Venmo or a cash app to give her some gas money, another lie. I said no, I do not do those. So she wanted to change the restaurant and meet closer to her house, claiming she only had 20 miles left on her gas, another red flag.

I met her at the restaurant and saw the same fat belly. Said she was 33 years old, in person, when her profile said 28, another lie. She said she wanted $500 PPM and we had discussed it before and she had come down from $700, which was a lie. I said the most I would do for PPM was $400. Then she argued, the women in your county get $1,000. She asked me why I would not do another hundred more? I said I did not value it at that. I did not call her a fatty nor mention her weight, but should have been honest with her. Then she tried to get $450. I said "no. " She got up and left the table. I enjoyed finishing eating her pizza and cancelled the desert she ordered. The bill came to $57 and I left a $7 tip. What a Heffer.

My best decisions are the women I pass on! It is necessary to meet them at a restaurant to evaluate them, just like a job interview. So on the way home I texted my regular, a slim tall blonde, who is coming over tomorrow for $200, I have been with her for about 5 years. I would post photos, but do not have permission of the fatty or my slim regular.

[VanessasClient]

Go direct on the request. I know a girl in Antioquia who is basically destitute. Living in an overcrowded home with her mom, son, and siblings. The family shares food. But, before things got this bad, she was able to enroll in the local university with assistance for tuition (not from me). Her phone is damaged and she has to use a borrowed laptop for school and to communicate with me. She tells me the desks at school don't support the laptop very well and she's starting to get carpal tunnel in her arm. She asks if I can assist with a wireless mouse and a laptop stand. I have a Colombian friend who speaks Spanish obviously much better than I do, reach out to the university with a ruse to verify her enrollment. Turns out she is in fact really a student and going to classes.

I don't give her any money. Instead I get on Amazon and find her a wireless mouse for $8. 99 USD and no frills laptop stand for $8. 60. Total item costs $17.59. Shipping $9. 63. Collectively I just paid 115,000 Colombian pesos to Amazon, and she responds with "Estoy muy contenta! When they arrive, borrowing her sister's phone to take pictures. What could she possibly do with $17 USD? Try to sell a cheap mouse and laptop stand to a neighbor who probably doesn't need them to begin with, and get 15 USD? What can you do with 15 USD, go to the grocery store and get food for your son?

I would so much rather shell out $27 to a struggling girl I know is willing to work and trying to improve her life, than give spare change to a stupid, drug addicted bum on an American street who goes around stealing from people.

Mind you, if she had given me the story that her grandmother was in the hospital with kidney failure, and she needs $1,000 USD. Rather than sending $1,000 to a Colombian hospital, I would have just responded by saying "Sorry, I guess your grandmother is just going to have to die. " Sometimes there are ways to confirm the validity of the request, and not send money directly to the girl.


This kind of shit happens all the time. I would bat a lash over it. If they ever ask for something above and beyond our status quo, I make it clear it's a gift. Anything else and you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Or worse, losing someone you really like.

Short on rent money? Fine so long as it's occasional. Need an advance on the next liaison? Fine. When and if they try to remind me the next time we meet that I have credit I give it to them anyway. I pat myself on the back and know I've got an honest one.

I don't let anything come up that I don't mind losing. One time I met a girl for dinner and it went awesome. She was hurting for tuition money and I agreed to give her what she was short to just have dinner with me (which was dumb but I don't regret because we ended up having a good time). We were supposed to continue at my place but she ended up getting too drunk to drive herself. Next day we meet again and I offer her a 4 digit sum to spend the weekend with me. Mostly knowing she needed the help and she was cute enough to really do it for me. She agrees, I give her the money, and a few hours later she "feels sick" and wants to go home then proceeds to ghost me. Oh well, cost of doing business. If I let it upset me I'd miss out on the positive experiences and there are way more of those.

[AmericanPi]

She agrees, I give her the money, and a few hours later she "feels sick" and wants to go home then proceeds to ghost me. Oh well, cost of doing business. If I let it upset me I'd miss out on the positive experiences and there are way more of those.When you've been doing this long enough you definitely see patterns. A girl tells you something in earnest, but it's the fifth time you've heard it.

On 3 occasions in the past with an overnight arrangement a girl said she had to leave. One made this concerned face as she read her phone that her brother was in an accident and she had to attend to him.

In every case I said the same thing. Totally fine, life happens, so sorry to hear it. But you're not getting the full amount then. In every case the girl stayed. Turns out the brother's emergency could be put off for the 6000 pesos.

Most girls I meet on seeking are quite happy to spend all our time together and more. There's good chemistry. But it's clear when someone would rather be elsewhere and it's all about the money. I get it. I'm middle aged and I prob wouldn't want to bang a 45 year old woman when I was 20. I'm thrilled that so many of the girls are really into it. But when one isn't, I'm not about to part with the entire arranged amount for half the time. I think this is good policy.

[HumbleHal]

When you've been doing this long enough you definitely see patterns. A girl tells you something in earnest, but it's the fifth time you've heard it.

On 3 occasions in the past with an overnight arrangement a girl said she had to leave. One made this concerned face as she read her phone that her brother was in an accident and she had to attend to him.

In every case I said the same thing. Totally fine, life happens, so sorry to hear it. But you're not getting the full amount then. In every case the girl stayed. Turns out the brother's emergency could be put off for the 6000 pesos.I do not pay before the deed. If they want money before I say no, you can go. And that is the only way to handle it. It is a hard and fast rule. You would not pay an employee at the beginning of the week before he had done any work, would you? I have walked out on a few hoes and shown a few the door. But they are scammers for sure.

In Vegas one time I paid the girl and she went into the bathroom and immediately came out saying her period had started. Typical lie. Problem.

[Steve 9696]

When you've been doing this long enough you definitely see patterns. A girl tells you something in earnest, but it's the fifth time you've heard it.

On 3 occasions in the past with an overnight arrangement a girl said she had to leave. One made this concerned face as she read her phone that her brother was in an accident and she had to attend to him.

In every case I said the same thing. Totally fine, life happens, so sorry to hear it. But you're not getting the full amount then. In every case the girl stayed. Turns out the brother's emergency could be put off for the 6000 pesos.

Most girls I meet on seeking are quite happy to spend all our time together and more. There's good chemistry. But it's clear when someone would rather be elsewhere and it's all about the money. I get it. I'm middle aged and I prob wouldn't want to bang a 45 year old woman when I was 20. I'm thrilled that so many of the girls are really into it. But when one isn't, I'm not about to part with the entire arranged amount for half the time. I think this is good policy.Pi. That makes a lot of sense. Def a good idea if you have negotiated certain timeframe. My approach I never negotiate time w seeking girls and just let it happen organically. This has been great for me. But I could def see in the case of specific overnight agreement your method is kind and balanced and fair even tho U know she's spinning BS.

[AmericanPi]

Pi. That makes a lot of sense. Def a good idea if you have negotiated certain timeframe. My approach I never negotiate time w seeking girls and just let it happen organically. This has been great for me. But I could def see in the case of specific overnight agreement your method is kind and balanced and fair even tho U know she's spinning BS.I know a lot of guys don't specify time because they're actually happy for the girl to leave. They want to bang but get a good night sleep.

I'm a little bit different. I will usually go about four rounds between a night and the following morning. But my favorites by far are the first round and then the morning sex. I am not ready to give up the morning sex.

[Chola]

Hey guys! I am traveling after a while to two European cities. Fired up SA starting two weeks ago and am in an interesting situation. The first city I have finalized prices with 11 girls though I'm staying only 7. The second 5 girls for 4 days. More being added as we speak. Now I'm happy to have the choices but am honestly starting to feel overwhelmed with dates and times and balancing them all. A couple have been chattier with better chemistry but for the most part all have been nice. I do want to experience as many as possible but also repeating a couple that I like after meeting in person. I know it's a bit self explanatory but how would you handle this? Any pointers are greatly appreciated.

Also, random question. What's the starting dose of vitamin see? Better to take every morning regardless of play time? Or take an hour before play time but obviously no more than once every 24 hours? Only taken vitamin V before and not a fan of mild headache almost always. Thanks!

[Gfefan]

Depends on what your personal taste is Beauty of seeking is that there is room for every taste.

I had always been (and will be) quality over quantity. I keep number of girls finalized for less than number of days. Some are good enough to repeat.

Have I been burned and ended up sleeping alone? Yes. ID rather sleep alone than fuck someone I am not happy with.

Also, I don't book mlre than one girl and ditch the other. If I did that, I have no rights to complain about girls that ask for $ for M&G or advance pay scammers. The more we guys stand girls up, the more we are driving prices up for ourselves.

Now, that is something I don't do but I don't advocate or preach othersi know I can't change the system.

About Cialis and Viagra (no need to use hidden phrases about those. Entitely normal and legal drugs those are) there was a thread that discussed this at length. Best is consult a physician. As far me. The girl os Cialis and chemistry is viagra. Once I tried half of a Cialis tablet in US and actually my orgasm quality dropped although I lasted longer. No fun. So, stoped it.


Hey guys! I am traveling after a while to two European cities. Fired up SA starting two weeks ago and am in an interesting situation. The first city I have finalized prices with 11 girls though I'm staying only 7. The second 5 girls for 4 days. More being added as we speak. Now I'm happy to have the choices but am honestly starting to feel overwhelmed with dates and times and balancing them all. A couple have been chattier with better chemistry but for the most part all have been nice. I do want to experience as many as possible but also repeating a couple that I like after meeting in person. I know it's a bit self explanatory but how would you handle this? Any pointers are greatly appreciated.

Also, random question. What's the starting dose of vitamin see? Better to take every morning regardless of play time? Or take an hour before play time but obviously no more than once every 24 hours? Only taken vitamin V before and not a fan of mild headache almost always. Thanks!

[Steve 9696]

Hey guys! I am traveling after a while to two European cities. Fired up SA starting two weeks ago and am in an interesting situation. The first city I have finalized prices with 11 girls though I'm staying only 7. The second 5 girls for 4 days. More being added as we speak. Now I'm happy to have the choices but am honestly starting to feel overwhelmed with dates and times and balancing them all. A couple have been chattier with better chemistry but for the most part all have been nice. I do want to experience as many as possible but also repeating a couple that I like after meeting in person. I know it's a bit self explanatory but how would you handle this? Any pointers are greatly appreciated.

Also, random question. What's the starting dose of vitamin see? Better to take every morning regardless of play time? Or take an hour before play time but obviously no more than once every 24 hours? Only taken vitamin V before and not a fan of mild headache almost always. Thanks!Seems to me like you have too many girls on the roster. Let's suppose I have a five day trip. I will line up different girls for days 1 2 and 3. So I can try them out. As GFE says no more than one girl at a time. Never double book. That's just rude. But you can cancel a day in advance. The general plan is try the three girls and then repeat the favorite the last two days. But I have also repeated two. Or been slain by girl one and canceled the rest. Basically you want a small buffet but then go load your play once you find what you like. My general experience is that dates 2 and three with a girl are amongst the best in the relationship. Date 1 you don't know each other well enough and dates 4 plus maybe you know each other a bit too well. LOL.

As far as Cialis you really should do a consult. I use K Health which is totally online. If you are doing occasional use they will recommend 10 MG and good for three days. But I sometimes AMP up a bit on day 2 or 3.

[Chola]

Thanks Steve and GfeFan. Yeah, I definitely hate being stood up (almost never happened) so am not going to double book. I have kinda come up with a stack ranking of most desirable to least so in case I miss a few it'the be fine. Will report back!

Thinking of trying Cialis 5 MG daily for one or two days. If it doesn't work it will be back to Viagra. Fortunately available without prescription where I'll be.


Seems to me like you have too many girls on the roster. Let's suppose I have a five day trip. I will line up different girls for days 1 2 and 3. So I can try them out. As GFE says no more than one girl at a time. Never double book. That's just rude. But you can cancel a day in advance. The general plan is try the three girls and then repeat the favorite the last two days. But I have also repeated two. Or been slain by girl one and canceled the rest. Basically you want a small buffet but then go load your play once you find what you like. My general experience is that dates 2 and three with a girl are amongst the best in the relationship. Date 1 you don't know each other well enough and dates 4 plus maybe you know each other a bit too well. LOL.

As far as Cialis you really should do a consult. I use K Health which is totally online. If you are doing occasional use they will recommend 10 MG and good for three days. But I sometimes AMP up a bit on day 2 or 3.

[Nachoy]

Shout out to the regular posters in this thread.

I don't think I would gotten a seeking membership without reading your experiences.

I'm doing my third month in seeking (on and off over the past year).

Feeling that the work starting to pay off.

There is learning curve to this app dealing with nuisance from scammers.

And aggressive pro escorts.

My screening process is better now.

I am beginning to find the young gems that are not escorts.

Horny young woman who love sex and the money is just extra cherry on top for them.

Really addicted to this pick up app at the moment.

[The Cane]

The Cane is back in more ways than one! I'm giving Seeking another try. I relocated from a Tier 1 city to one that I consider to be a Tier 3 town that punches above its weight. It's a capital city with a very large university student population. I reached out to and already heard back from the kind of pretty, white, blonde coeds I have lust in my dark heart for. Here's hoping for another great experience like the only other one I had the first time around! Although, that (a walk-off, grand slam home run) will be hard to match! Hopefully my screening skills will be better. We shall see. Anything good or exceptionally bad happens, and I will report.

[Jbj64]

I am leaving on Saturday for 2 plus weeks in Buenos Aires. Started a few weeks ago reaching out and have six or seven whatsapp numbers. They are all asking for 100 -125 usd. Will report back.

[Pk099]

Good to know that. BA is on my list for next vacation. Looking forward to your reports.


I am leaving on Saturday for 2 plus weeks in Buenos Aires. Started a few weeks ago reaching out and have six or seven whatsapp numbers. They are all asking for 100 -125 usd. Will report back.

[Pk099]

Nothing beats Uni students lookin got make quick bucks. Long back I used to travel Montreal for project and had dates with many Uni girls. Perfect combination, Young, Reasonable and excited to see cash. And they loved to stay in Sheraton instead of their dorms with great breakfast. Miss those days.


The Cane is back in more ways than one! I'm giving Seeking another try. I relocated from a Tier 1 city to one that I consider to be a Tier 3 town that punches above its weight. It's a capital city with a very large university student population. I reached out to and already heard back from the kind of pretty, white, blonde coeds I have lust in my dark heart for. Here's hoping for another great experience like the only other one I had the first time around! Although, that (a walk-off, grand slam home run) will be hard to match! Hopefully my screening skills will be better. We shall see. Anything good or exceptionally bad happens, and I will report.

[VanessasClient]

I am leaving on Saturday for 2 plus weeks in Buenos Aires. Started a few weeks ago reaching out and have six or seven whatsapp numbers. They are all asking for 100 -125 usd. Will report back.Interesting to hear feedback as well. I've heard before that rates are higher in Argentina because prostitution is more frowned upon that most other South American countries.

[Laj505]

I am leaving on Saturday for 2 plus weeks in Buenos Aires. Started a few weeks ago reaching out and have six or seven whatsapp numbers. They are all asking for 100 -125 usd. Will report back.Nice Place. Some of those girls have german genes. Price I found around 250 to 300 for entire day. For 3 day weekend its 700/800 max. But I would prefer changing girls everyday like I change clothes everyday.

Enjoy Buddy.

[Uncountable]

Hello Gents,

I regularly post in the LA seeking thread at usasexguide, and it is customary to post links of seeking girls; however, I rarely see any links being posted here. Is it against the rules to do such? I have never used seeking outside of the States, but I will be embarking on a journey to London in December, and to that end, I have secured the contacts of potential SBs. One Japanese lady, 36, is asking for 500 pounds for 5-7 hours consisting of drinks and intimacy. She said that verbatim. https://members.seeking.com/member/9b3eac1e-1ba2-4464-966f-9a9893b48893.

My PPM is usually $400, but of course, I have done way more than that for the occasional unicorn.

My question is: is London that expensive, especially for a 36 year old, and what is the average PPM? I will post my reports after I come back in Jan 2025. Thank you all.

[VanessasClient]

Hello Gents,

I regularly post in the LA seeking thread at usasexguide, and it is customary to post links of seeking girls; however, I rarely see any links being posted here. Is it against the rules to do such? I have never used seeking outside of the States, but I will be embarking on a journey to London in December, and to that end, I have secured the contacts of potential SBs. One Japanese lady, 36, is asking for 500 pounds for 5-7 hours consisting of drinks and intimacy. She said that verbatim. https://members.seeking.com/member/9b3eac1e-1ba2-4464-966f-9a9893b48893.

My PPM is usually $400, but of course, I have done way more than that for the occasional unicorn.

My question is: is London that expensive, especially for a 36 year old, and what is the average PPM? I will post my reports after I come back in Jan 2025. Thank you all.Prices in much of England will be higher, not just London. Also prices in France tend to be higher too. Some of the worst countries in Europe to pickup women; especially England.

[Steve 9696]

Hello Gents,

I regularly post in the LA seeking thread at usasexguide, and it is customary to post links of seeking girls; however, I rarely see any links being posted here. Is it against the rules to do such? I have never used seeking outside of the States, but I will be embarking on a journey to London in December, and to that end, I have secured the contacts of potential SBs. One Japanese lady, 36, is asking for 500 pounds for 5-7 hours consisting of drinks and intimacy. She said that verbatim. https://members.seeking.com/member/9b3eac1e-1ba2-4464-966f-9a9893b48893.

My PPM is usually $400, but of course, I have done way more than that for the occasional unicorn.

My question is: is London that expensive, especially for a 36 year old, and what is the average PPM? I will post my reports after I come back in Jan 2025. Thank you all.Wow. I didn't know there was a Seeking thread on USAsexguide but I checked out a few pages of discussion. Looks like overpriced, overaged, overweight pros and warnings about who to avoid. Interesting. I guess the difference between that forum and the main contributors here has to do with girl type.

Because 99% of girls on Seeking are in fact scammers or not worth your time none of us would take the time to post about such things. It would just be too exhausting. We weed them out, avoid spending time beyond a message or two and try to find the gem. And once you find a gem on Seeking it becomes more a relationship thing albeit non traditional. So for me I would never pass around the Seeking girls I grow attached to. I did one time with another forum member and it felt really weird. Because the girls we seek are not pros. And most of us therefore don't want to treat them like pros. At least that's my perspective.

As to London yeah I think you will work pretty hard these days to find someone worthy at 400-500 . But as with all parts of the world if you put in time to find a Seeking gem there is absolutely nothing better. Closest thing to a no drama GF that the world has to offer. IMO.

[TooPicky2]

Nice Place. Some of those girls have german genes. Price I found around 250 to 300 for entire day. For 3 day weekend its 700/800 max. But I would prefer changing girls everyday like I change clothes everyday.

Enjoy Buddy.Do very many of the girls in BA speak English? Thanks.

[AmericanPi]

Hello Gents,

I regularly post in the LA seeking thread at usasexguide, and it is customary to post links of seeking girls; however, I rarely see any links being posted here. Is it against the rules to do such? I have never used seeking outside of the States, but I will be embarking on a journey to London in December, and to that end, I have secured the contacts of potential SBs. One Japanese lady, 36, is asking for 500 pounds for 5-7 hours consisting of drinks and intimacy. She said that verbatim. https://members.seeking.com/member/9b3eac1e-1ba2-4464-966f-9a9893b48893.

My PPM is usually $400, but of course, I have done way more than that for the occasional unicorn.

My question is: is London that expensive, especially for a 36 year old, and what is the average PPM? I will post my reports after I come back in Jan 2025. Thank you all.I am also on the LA seeking section. It's easy to figure out who I am there.

I have done seeking in London twice. In my experience 500-600 pounds is the price point where nobody will say no unless they are basically high end call girls. Most normal girls will be totally happy with that. Last time in was there I had a 23 year old graphic designer, Russian, tiny little thing and she was totally fine with 500. Kept on messaging me nudes and stuff once I got back home, I think because I told her I come often (a lie) and she wanted to keep it all going.

[Steve 9696]

Do very many of the girls in BA speak English? Thanks.Total crap shoot. But you can figure it out during your text interactions. Two of the three girls I have seen there had great English. But the last one (a last minute find) had ZERO. We actually had a great time. We just used Google translate but would actually SAY what the Google translate said. It was fucking hilarious for her to try to read the English out loud. She literally could not pronounce the English sounds. We both about died of laughter. So you can have a good time regardless.

[The Cane]

Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?

[FilthyBeaver]

I don't know you and don't want to judge but it sounds to me like you are bringing up two different issues.

1) Relationship fatigue.

2) Financial resentment.

1) Is natural in any relationship that starts off as quid pro quo, hell I had it toward every job I worked at before I became self employed. Not to mention the marginal SBs (those that I stopped seeing or let die out rather than them dumping me).

2) Sounds like you extend yourself maybe a little past your means to see her.

If you're done with her the answer is easy, if not, you need to make a hard choice about what you want vs what's best for you.

I've been hard dumped by two SBs that hurt, like a real relationship hurt. Tons of chemistry, we'd text daily and banter back and forth. Not once did I ever think about the money other than to make sure I had it before I saw her (never did venmo or the like, didn't want a trail so having cash is a bit of a chore).

I've seen maybe 3 or 4 that I just stopped contacting and they may have attempted a few times to get my attention but it eventually died without any formal closure. I never saw any of them regularly anyway so I'm guessing no feelings were hurt anyway.

I've been with my current SB for 1. 5 yrs. She's a total babe. Absolute doll, she could literally get anybody she wanted. I ask myself why she sees me weekly and I don't have a good answer. I don't particularly give her any more or less than any of the previous SBs, she drives a long way to see me in So Cal traffic, has a million things going on in her life but still makes time for me. There has to be a thousand guys between our houses that would happily give her what I give her. I feel the opposite of resent, I feel grateful and the feeling has gotten stronger with time. I'd like to think that I won't get hurt when it ends because I've got some experience to learn from but who the hell knows.

I guess if I started resenting a girl, that would be a signal that my mind is checking out on her and it's just a matter of time before I won't want to bang her.


Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?

[AmericanPi]

Going to shoot you straight here. You are being unreasonable.

As a guy with 6500 posts you know the deal. A guy might like his job, like his boss, like his coworkers. But does that mean he's showing up if he doesn't get paid? No. That's part of the arrangement with a job.

I sometimes call out guys here for referring to their sugar babies as their girlfriends. Because the girl likes them, they have good times together, they both enjoy the sex. And I'm always the ahole who jumps in and says what needs to be said. If getting money is part of her being there, she's not your girlfriend. She might feel like one. And that's a wonderful illusion to indulge in. But it's a temporary illusion.

None of this is bad. Seeking is awesome. You get a rotating cast of younger women to indulge in, and all it takes is a little effort and some time. What a wonderful world this is. But live in this world. If you want a girlfriend, you can get a girlfriend. It just probably won't be a generational gap relationship that starts with paying her for dates. If we are being honest.


Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?

[Steve 9696]

Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?You are spot on that SB is different from pure transactional sex and you def develop some feelings around it. But I do think the way you thought about it is a little odd / unhealthy. From my perspective an SB should be dating you because she enjoys being with you. But no hot 23 year old is going to naturally date an old man even if he's handsome and charismatic. So the $$ is to bridge the age gap. The $$ doesn't make her like you. But it does help her to justify dating someone she otherwise would never date.

So I end up looking at it as just the opposite. I am amazingly GRATEFUL they for a few hundred dollars I can date a girl that's 30 years younger than me that other guys can only dream of dating. Absolutely fucking grateful. 💯.

That said I think all of us resent the girls we don't a date that use pussy like a weapon to scam and charge ridiculous arrogant prices. But that's another thing. I've never felt anything but gratitude and affection for the girls I date on the regular.

[The Cane]

You are spot on that SB is different from pure transactional sex and you def develop some feelings around it. But I do think the way you thought about it is a little odd / unhealthy.

So I end up looking at it as just the opposite. I am amazingly GRATEFUL they for a few hundred dollars I can date a girl that's 30 years younger than me that other guys can only dream of dating. Absolutely fucking grateful.I knew you would offer some helpful advice Steve. I agree that it's "odd / unhealthy". That's why I decided to ask about it as I go into this thing again. Like I said, I was surprised that I even had those feelings. Guess it would be best to just let those feelings go, and like you say, just enjoy the fact that I'm still out here fucking hot girls, whether they be tutes or a sugar baby. One thing that helps me to get those girls, besides the money, is that I don't look my age. People routinely guess 20 years younger! No smoking, no heavy drinking, exercise, weight control, eating better, and just plain genes!

[AmericanPi]

You are spot on that SB is different from pure transactional sex and you def develop some feelings around it. But I do think the way you thought about it is a little odd / unhealthy. From my perspective an SB should be dating you because she enjoys being with you. But no hot 23 year old is going to naturally date an old man even if he's handsome and charismatic. So the $$ is to bridge the age gap. The $$ doesn't make her like you. But it does help her to justify dating someone she otherwise would never date.

So I end up looking at it as just the opposite. I am amazingly GRATEFUL they for a few hundred dollars I can date a girl that's 30 years younger than me that other guys can only dream of dating. Absolutely fucking grateful. 💯.

That said I think all of us resent the girls we don't a date that use pussy like a weapon to scam and charge ridiculous arrogant prices. But that's another thing. I've never felt anything but gratitude and affection for the girls I date on the regular.This. Spot on. That's a good way of saying it.

Live in reality. But also recognize how special that reality is and appreciate it. It's a privileged life we lead that the kinds of girls who turn heads are regularly across the table from us and then under us, and all it takes is a little effort and some money. Appreciate how unique and truly special that is. I'm getting more quality puss now than I did when I was a hot 22 year old. With far less effort. I don't need them to be my girlfriend to appreciate that.

[AmericanPi]

The recent exchange made me want to write this for the newer folks who are getting their bearings. These are the rules of the game. Or at lease they should be.

1. She is not your girlfriend. You might like each other and have great sex. But if you're paying, it's not a GF.

2 Always wear a condom. I know you like bareback. We all do. But by the time a girl is doing this, she's been around the block plenty.

3. don't believe her great story. She's as good a liar as you are. Maybe better. This is not her first time because she just didn't find the right guy till you came along.

4. Don't give money in advance. Ever.

5. Always end cordially. Even if she's an awful person who screws you. A woman's accusation, warranted or not, can make your life hell. Just pay the fine and move on.

6. Listen to your instincts. If you're getting bad vibes, listen to your intuition. There's a lot of crazy out there in this game. It doesn't attract women with zero issues.

There are prob more. But that's a good core.

[Elvis 2008]

Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?If you are married, just accept that the SB thing is the closest you are going to get to a GF and keep the illusion alive. She is a hooker you are friends with it and it is nothing more. You can play around with words like love and the like but you are not leaving your wife for her.

If you are single and you want the relationship to advance, consider talking about it because SBs look for the same thing in a SD that they do in a BF or husband. Just keep in mind that if you have been paying a SB and want her to be your GF you are going to have to only see her if you want to be her BF. So guys who think they are going to advance with a hottie and not offer that up are nuts.

In the USA, the concept of seeing a woman and not paying her never happened. It did happen a little in Mexico and a lot in Colombia. That is when the woman is interested in you from the get go and does not bring up price or in one case I had a woman give me what we agreed on back. That is the only instance you can meet a seeking woman and play the field.

If you say of the woman, another guy is a sucker for marrying her to get pussy, then that tells me you really were not that serious about her. When you really care about someone, you are not going to be rationing our the money, and if she cares about you, she is not going to be rationing out the pussy and time. In fact, the women will demand more of your time if you are their one and only, and you enjoy them for more than just sex.

[Gfefan]

Of late, SA has reached out to me twice with an opportunity to speak about SA experience in media. Apparently, if selected they'd pay me.

I wonder how may of us will take that up given our desire / need for discretion.

I won't as I have more to lose than gain from such non-anonymous experience shring.

[Gfefan]

Review overdue.

Recently got back on SA after a hiatus. Tried local. Tier 2 city.

As usual, conversion ratio was poor. May scammers and way too many platinum pussies.

Narrowed to two.

Met the first one for a M&G knowing fully well there was going to be no action. Nice coffee and chat. Conversation flowed well. We liked each other. Discussed specifics. Settled on 250 and exchanging test results.

A week later, we had our test results and planned an afternoon date.

Met for brunch. Not too expensive but not a dive in either. More chat, more chemistry.

Then, we grabbed some beer / wine and headed to my dayuse room. I checked in first and texted her the room number.

She walks in, we opened a drink but before I could take a sip, she pounces on me, pushes me on bed, and whispers "I have been waiting for this".

She proceeds to unbutton my shirt, kiss me all over and gently nibble my nipples. Continues kissing down and unzipped me. Before I knew, she had me in her mouth. Given I have gone sexless for nearly 6 months, it was phenomenal. Within seconds, she climbs on me, undressed herself and took me on cowgirl. Quite a ride and within minutes I was nearly there. Pulled out forcefully and shot my load all the up her chin and falling back on my tummy. Sweet one, she cleaned me up and goes "I wanted to taste it. You shot soon". I explained her why I came early (6 months) while continuing the drink.

We chatted but about 15 minutes later, she was lying naked on her tummy. This time, I climbed on her from behind and slid inside. Epic fucking in this position for nearly 15 minutes. Then, swapped to Mish. Another 10 minutes. We stopped for rest and went doggie. She wanted to ride again and told me to warn her early. She rode me for a good 10 minutes and grew tired. I suggested finishing me blowjob. She gladly obliged. Sucked me balls and shaft for a good 10 minutes before I shot a load in her. She swallowed.

She went "I had been dreaming how you would taste ever since we met at the coffee place. You taste good".

She was concerned when I came quick first round but after the second she now thinks I'm the perfect long laster for her.

We are meeting again this week.

But before that, I have my meet and greet with the other girl today.

[Elvis 2008]

Of late, SA has reached out to me twice with an opportunity to speak about SA experience in media. Apparently, if selected they'd pay me.

I wonder how may of us will take that up given our desire / need for discretion.

I won't as I have more to lose than gain from such non-anonymous experience shring.You are going to be talked into giving the story they want to put out.

There was the Vice show on seeking. The reporter kissed Brandon Wade's ass. Then some woman is thanking guys for giving her thousands every month and she is hot but claims to not have sex. They cut to two huge women in Las Vegas who have a dozen sugar daddies and are getting paid tens of thousands per month. They are having sex and are being physically abused. Of course, we do not see that on camera.

Reporter gets on the site and she does a video call. A guy asks her to stand up to look at her body and then does not pay her or see her. She says that she is so humiliated. OMG. A woman got rejected. Gee, I wonder what that feels like. Finally, she goes on a date and gets paid but without having sex. The ending is cliched. The reporter is going to go back to regular dating.

I am not sure what the point of the story was. If you are anti-sugaring, I wonder why you let Brandon Wade have a soap box. I wondered if he paid the reporter. Was the point of the story fat women don't bother with seeking but we want the hotties, and hot women are not having sex?

I had used the site for a decade and there was nothing in it that I recall having done. The only realistic part was the grateful female.

[VanessasClient]

Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?All romantic relationships eventually lead to sex. Even if one partner is a hardcore fanatical catholic who thinks they will burn in hell if they have sex before marriage. It may takes multiple years for that relationship to lead to sex, but it eventually will if they stay together long enough to get married. The only exception to this outright is if at least one party has a physical lesion that deters sex, such as having the prostate removed, low testosterone, vaginitis, etc. Or possibly some other averting psychological factor, such as past sexual trauma. Have we established this as a fact yet? Okay, that's fact 1.

If you believe in fact 1, then you must also believe that any woman who wants to know specifics about a man's income or assets as a determining factor as to whether she will date him, is therefore actually in fact, a prostitute. Because if the woman had the ability to stand on her own two feet financially, then the ONLY thing at all she would be concerned about is whether or not he is gainfully employed. Is he covering all the expenses to support his own lifestyle? If he's living in his mom's basement, and the only thing he pays for is his food, then the answer to that is clearly no, when his mom is paying for his car insurance, cell phone bill, medical expenses, and pretty much everything else other than his frozen pizzas.

But, if a man is paying entirely for his 600 square foot studio apartment in the ghetto, then he is no less gainfully employed that the other man who is paying for an 8,000 square foot estate in hills of New Hampshire.

There is no argument against this. If a woman is looking for a man who has a higher than average salary, that means she wants to benefit from his money. She would not be taking his salary into account because she she wants to know how much of it he will donate to charity. No, ONLY reason she wants to know how much money he has is because she wants access to that money. And if we go back to fact 1, we know the relationship eventually at some point will lead to sex. I don't know if this is the Merriam Webster's definition of "prostitution" if you were to look in their dictionary, but this is the real definition of prostitution.

Now, you could cite other factors that are indirectly related to money. For instance, if you look at the example above. Maybe the woman does not feel comfortable staying overnight in the 600 sq foot apartment because the ghetto is typically a high crime area. Or maybe she does not want her children going to school in the hood. So maybe if the guy living in the 600 sq foot apartment made more money, he could move to a safer area. But that's not what the prostitute wants to know. She might want to know what neighborhood he lives in, and how safe it is. But she also wants to know about his finances; that's what makes her a prostitute.

The reason very few people want to accept this is because of the stigmatization of prostitution in general. That and the fact that many women either don't feel financially stable, or are willing to trade sex for a more luxurious lifestyle. Even if it's through years of waiting until marriage.

Bottom line for me: I see very little difference between a prostitute, sugar baby, and many other women who don't advertise on prostitution websites, work in brothels, or stand on street corners. Not in regards to the underlying motive (money), and the means to achieve it (primarily sex). The difference between women on eHarmony and Eros is that the ones on eHarmony want a lot of other stuff from the men to go with the money, whereas the ones on Eros are less discriminating, and mainly just looking for the money.

So to answer your question, I wouldn't be any more resentful of a woman I met at a dance studio, than I would be from a woman I met off of Slixa. Nobody likes being manipulated or screwed off. A formal prostitute is not only paid for sex, but paid to make you feel good. She is an actress who is either authentically enjoying her time with you, or pretending to do so, one or the other. If the prostitute enters the bedroom with a bad attitude, lays down on the bed, and goes "Okay, let's get this over with!! You've got exactly 60 minutes, not a second more! I'm not going to feel any less resentful than the girl I meet at the dance studio who stands me up for a coffee date we scheduled. Either way it's an unpleasant experience. The prostitute can choose to put effort into her job, and the coffee date can choose to be decent and respectful. That's my 2 cents.

[VanessasClient]

Of late, SA has reached out to me twice with an opportunity to speak about SA experience in media. Apparently, if selected they'd pay me.

I wonder how may of us will take that up given our desire / need for discretion.

I won't as I have more to lose than gain from such non-anonymous experience shring.Hmmm, that depends. Can I wear a mask and use a pseudonym for the media appearance? How much are they offering?

[AmericanPi]

Of late, SA has reached out to me twice with an opportunity to speak about SA experience in media. Apparently, if selected they'd pay me.

I wonder how may of us will take that up given our desire / need for discretion.

I won't as I have more to lose than gain from such non-anonymous experience shring.Yeah I got that. Also invitation to be in focus group a few weeks ago.

Zero chance.

Maybe some guys are out and proud with this sugar thing. For me it's under wraps. I'm not going to take some nominal amount of money to have my identity potentially undermined.

[DramaFree11]

Of late, SA has reached out to me twice with an opportunity to speak about SA experience in media. Apparently, if selected they'd pay me.

I wonder how may of us will take that up given our desire / need for discretion.

I won't as I have more to lose than gain from such non-anonymous experience shring.Hell no, that is a definite accident waiting to happen. I do not really care about my identity, only when it comes to work, but nevertheless I would never give any unnecessary information about myself. . I do not even use Social Media, nobody needs to know what I do on my off time.

[Steve 9696]

The recent exchange made me want to write this for the newer folks who are getting their bearings. These are the rules of the game. Or at lease they should be.

1. She is not your girlfriend. You might like each other and have great sex. But if you're paying, it's not a GF.

2 Always wear a condom. I know you like bareback. We all do. But by the time a girl is doing this, she's been around the block plenty.

3. don't believe her great story. She's as good a liar as you are. Maybe better. This is not her first time because she just didn't find the right guy till you came along.

4. Don't give money in advance. Ever.

5. Always end cordially. Even if she's an awful person who screws you. A woman's accusation, warranted or not, can make your life hell. Just pay the fine and move on.

6. Listen to your instincts. If you're getting bad vibes, listen to your intuition. There's a lot of crazy out there in this game. It doesn't attract women with zero issues.

There are prob more. But that's a good core.Def a pretty good list but I might add some color on a few.

On the GF thing. No she is not your GF. And that's a good thing! Because GFs are trying to figure out if you are THE ONE and lock you down. And that leads to lots of unfortunate drama. So count your lucky stars she's not your GF. But neither is she a pro or a working girl (I suppose some are but not the ones most of us gravitate to). And the "she takes money for sex" argument is soooo lame. Its my opinion that nearly every woman married to a successful man is indirectly taking money for sexual and we don't call them pros and hos. So let's stop denigrating the hot young women in our lives! Plus if you treat her like a ho she will act like one and if you treat her like a GF she will reciprocate. That is my experience. Ymmv.

On the condom thing I would never lobby other guys to do bareback. But I will point of the odds of getting HIV from vaginal sex are 10,000:4. And that is IF the girl is infected. Then you have the odds that the girl you chose has HIV. Even at 100:1 we are now talking nearly a one in a million chance of getting it. Just sayin.

On the always end cordially I totally agree. But even better is never end it. Just let things fade out. You never know when you might want her back. So I never explicitly end things. Heck just yesterday an SB from 4 years ago texted me what's up. And I'm sure we could fuck if I wasn't already juggling. So def let it fade rather than an explicit ending.

Happy hunting!

[Steve 9696]

Review overdue.

Recently got back on SA after a hiatus. Tried local. Tier 2 city.

As usual, conversion ratio was poor. May scammers and way too many platinum pussies.

Narrowed to two.

Met the first one for a M&G knowing fully well there was going to be no action. Nice coffee and chat. Conversation flowed well. We liked each other. Discussed specifics. Settled on 250 and exchanging test results.

A week later, we had our test results and planned an afternoon date.

Met for brunch. Not too expensive but not a dive in either. More chat, more chemistry.

Then, we grabbed some beer / wine and headed to my dayuse room. I checked in first and texted her the room number.

She walks in, we opened a drink but before I could take a sip, she pounces on me, pushes me on bed, and whispers "I have been waiting for this".

She proceeds to unbutton my shirt, kiss me all over and gently nibble my nipples. Continues kissing down and unzipped me. Before I knew, she had me in her mouth. Given I have gone sexless for nearly 6 months, it was phenomenal. Within seconds, she climbs on me, undressed herself and took me on cowgirl. Quite a ride and within minutes I was nearly there. Pulled out forcefully and shot my load all the up her chin and falling back on my tummy. Sweet one, she cleaned me up and goes "I wanted to taste it. You shot soon". I explained her why I came early (6 months) while continuing the drink.

We chatted but about 15 minutes later, she was lying naked on her tummy. This time, I climbed on her from behind and slid inside. Epic fucking in this position for nearly 15 minutes. Then, swapped to Mish. Another 10 minutes. We stopped for rest and went doggie. She wanted to ride again and told me to warn her early. She rode me for a good 10 minutes and grew tired. I suggested finishing me blowjob. She gladly obliged. Sucked me balls and shaft for a good 10 minutes before I shot a load in her. She swallowed.

She went "I had been dreaming how you would taste ever since we met at the coffee place. You taste good".

She was concerned when I came quick first round but after the second she now thinks I'm the perfect long laster for her.

We are meeting again this week.

But before that, I have my meet and greet with the other girl today.Absolutely love this story. This is why we do Seeking. More of this fellas!! Keep it coming.

[Kazeu]

And the "she takes money for sex" argument is soooo lame. Its my opinion that nearly every woman married to a successful man is indirectly taking money for sexual and we don't call them pros and hos. So let's stop denigrating the hot young women in our lives! Plus if you treat her like a ho she will act like one and if you treat her like a GF she will reciprocate. That is my experience. Ymmv.
I don't really consider it denigrating anyone. It's merely a fact. But suppose it were denigrating, then by the opposite side of the coin, it would have to be that all men pay women for sex. So we're all losers that can't get real love. :D

[AmericanPi]

Def a pretty good list but I might add some color on a few.

On the GF thing. No she is not your GF. And that's a good thing! Because GFs are trying to figure out if you are THE ONE and lock you down. And that leads to lots of unfortunate drama. So count your lucky stars she's not your GF. But neither is she a pro or a working girl (I suppose some are but not the ones most of us gravitate to). And the "she takes money for sex" argument is soooo lame. Its my opinion that nearly every woman married to a successful man is indirectly taking money for sexual and we don't call them pros and hos. So let's stop denigrating the hot young women in our lives! Plus if you treat her like a ho she will act like one and if you treat her like a GF she will reciprocate. That is my experience. Ymmv.

On the condom thing I would never lobby other guys to do bareback. But I will point of the odds of getting HIV from vaginal sex are 10,000:4. And that is IF the girl is infected. Then you have the odds that the girl you chose has HIV. Even at 100:1 we are now talking nearly a one in a million chance of getting it. Just sayin.

On the always end cordially I totally agree. But even better is never end it. Just let things fade out. You never know when you might want her back. So I never explicitly end things. Heck just yesterday an SB from 4 years ago texted me what's up. And I'm sure we could fuck if I wasn't already juggling. So def let it fade rather than an explicit ending.

Happy hunting!For the sake of conversation and not debate let me respond to 2 things.

I've always disagreed with the notion that at some level all women with successful me. Are in it for money, even if during marriage, so all such women are prostitutes on some level. It's a reductionist belief. A man's bank account is part of his package, no doubt. But within the social circle of educated people in highly powered careers (law, consulting, finance, etc) everyone is more or less guaranteed a certain minimum standard of living. The hot law associate wasn't about to marry the waiter or police officer anyway, or it seldom happens. Among the set of people who have enough money to do Seeking, they prob are not in social circles where their paycheck is their leading quality.

Regarding condoms, I'm not worried about HIV. I know that's rare. I'm worried about the lifelong incurable stuff that doesn't kill you and is incredibly common.

[Gfefan]

To me, love and sex are two different things. Yes, there is overlap between the two and some of us are lucky to be in that overlap.

When it comes to sex, I seek variety. And, that's what I pay for.

When it comes to love, I don't seek variety. That's what I marry for.


I don't really consider it denigrating anyone. It's merely a fact. But suppose it were denigrating, then by the opposite side of the coin, it would have to be that all men pay women for sex. So we're all losers that can't get real love. :D

[Elvis 2008]

I don't really consider it denigrating anyone. It's merely a fact. But suppose it were denigrating, then by the opposite side of the coin, it would have to be that all men pay women for sex. So we're all losers that can't get real love. :DMiami Boy talked about a hooker who was not comfortable taking money from him. So she made the choice to go from hooker to someone he dated / a GF. He was cool with it. I had a woman tell me she loved me and tried to give $300 back, but I did not want her love / her as a GF so I made her take it.

With all the beauties I had in the USA, I bet over half would have been a GF had I asked them, but I did not want to. For the most part, I wanted sex and a little bit of company and that is it. When you flip from SB / hooker to GF / s. O. , the women change their time perspective. They go from restricting time to almost giving you too much. You are going to hear every little detail of their life so you better like that person if you go GF with her.

I thought "paying for it" was cheaper time wise and emotionally with most women. Do you remember when we were out and you had a GF reading you the riot act? I think you dumped her shortly after that, but you were paying for it even if it was not with money.

[Steve 9696]

So the three home girls situation has sorted itself out. After two years of struggling and settling for fatties, then two years of bliss with Shayla my mistress, I found myself suddenly with three pretty good options:

Hood Girl - from the hood for sure. Super shy. Super appreciative of the smallest kindness. Submissive and moderately pretty. OK BJ but willing to be coached up.

Nerdy Girl - talkative nerdy girl with glasses and all. Actually quite good in bed but only sorta attracted to her.

Fuck Bunny - super pretty girl who fucks great but little kissing or BJ and not willing to step up her game much.

It was hard to not like spending time with Fuck Bunny because she's so pretty and we laugh a lot at dinner. But room time sorta Meh and rushed sometimes. And I quickly found on date 2 that Hood Girl takes direction well moving her BJ up from. 5 to an 8 in just one session. So Nerdy Girl quickly took a back seat. I told her I was really busy and couldn't meet for a while and she read it and didn't respond. One down!

Hood Girl moved quickly to the front of the pack with two key events. First after our third session she said she was struggling a bit and her mom was coming to visit and could I give her a bit more just this once. Well she was so sweet and embarrassed to ask I said sure I'll give you 500 instead of the usual 350. She said. Damn I was just going to ask for $25! Wow. $25. She's the real deal girl from the hood and 25 makes a difference. Just wow.

And second on our fourth date she says she's been starting her period but she can make me happy. No fucking lie! She gives me a SPECTACULAR 20 minute BJ to CIM swallow using every trick I showed her and then some! I mean epic. And I say thanks and she says "No. Thank you! I really enjoyed that!" What a keeper.

So then I'm still trying to juggle Fuck Bunny because I do like her. But she wants to meetup at least once a week at 400 and gets really exasperated when I can't do that. We get into it a little bit and frankly she's being a bit of a biatch and long story short we agree to step away.

So now I am all in on Hood Girl, who has a nice bod, very submissive and grateful. who gives a great BJ and is thrilled to be with me. What's not to like? Seeking still rules.

(PS These three were all Seeking girls I met in the last three months in my second tier city. So Seeking still delivers despite the scams. )

[HumbleHal]

...could I give her a bit more just this once. Well she was so sweet and embarrassed to ask I said sure I'll give you 500 instead of the usual 350. She said. Damn I was just going to ask for $25! Wow. $25. She's the real deal girl from the hood and 25 makes a difference. Just wow.

Sadly I have witnessed the present internet "arrangement" girls are all asking for $500 a session, now. Before Covid they were asking $350.

My hood girl is still getting $200 a session after 3 years and still texts me, to see me. My slim blonde, former professional pole dancer / stipper still is getting $200 a session after 5 years, and we generally get together once a week. They have each gotten older over the past 3 and 5 years, respectively, and have not brought any new effort to the table, so their value has not increased.

Unfortunately throwing out such large $150 raises, for no increased value, is ruining it for all of us, Steve.

[Bromigo]

Hi all!

Long-term lurker here on the forum, and thought it would be time to give back a little bit.

I'm M30, and started on seeking autumn 2020, and I'm based out of one of the Nordic countries.

Nordics and Baltics is a place that is often overlooked, and I find it to be a little gem. Been using it to have fun weekends. Booking a spa hotel, having some nice dinner, and a lot of fun in bed.

What I've noticed so far is that the market is there, but it is not that many super Nordic girls. Instead there's a lot of exchange students, aupairs, and people that recently moved with their families for other reasons. The Nordic girls often want about 500 for a few hours. However, there are lot of gems, that are happy to either just getting a weekend away, or with a weekend contribution of about 200 in addition to the weekend away.

Here's my current list of meets in the region.

Age. Nationality. Meet location.

21 - Polish (Sweden).

25 - Swedish (Sweden).

20 - Colombian (Sweden).

25 - Peruvian (Sweden).

26 - Brazilian (Sweden).

21 - Romanian (Sweden).

30 - Indonesian (Hungary).

20 - Thai / Swedish (Sweden).

22 - Filipina / Norwegian (Sweden).

19 - Estonian (Estonia).

19 - Irish (Sweden).

22 - Brazilian (Sweden).

The last was was a Brazilian au-pair. She asked me to take her out to Sushi, and then we went home and just f*cked all night, before I drove her home. Now she is asking me to re-do it, but rather wish to have an other au-pair friend join her next time, as she mentioned she want to explore more, and never had a threesome. Sometimes you just know when you found a gem.

Any other Nordic hunters here? What is your take on this, in my opinion, underrated region?

[FilthyBeaver]

The girl needs help, he helped her. How that impacts you or anybody else in any meaningful way [Deleted by Admin] Frankly, I would have given her more so she wouldn't have to embarrass herself and ask again in a week. It's obvious she's a keeper from everything he's written and she's proven to him that she's an SB not a prostitute. Negative comments like this serve no value.


Unfortunately throwing out such large $150 raises, for no increased value, is ruining it for all of us, Steve.

[Jbj64]

I spent a month before my trip getting names and WA numbers. This is my first time here. I've only been with 2 women. They both accepted 100 usd. Many have asked for $200 - 300, which for South America not willing to pay.

The first one I met named julie is thirty one and does everything I want including anal.

The second one I met was twenty one and did BBFS.

Went to an online provider she was 18 $150 and was BBFS.

Hope this helps.

[Berol Loz]

I spent a month before my trip getting names and WA numbers. This is my first time here. I've only been with 2 women. They both accepted 100 usd. Many have asked for $200 - 300, which for South America not willing to pay.

The first one I met named julie is thirty one and does everything I want including anal.

The second one I met was twenty one and did BBFS.

Went to an online provider she was 18 $150 and was BBFS.

Hope this helps.Yes, BBFS is pretty common on sugar sites. I've been on Seeking and SugardaddyMeet for a few years and only had 2 or 3 girls who were dead set against BBFS even after a second meetup.

[Berol Loz]

Hi all!

Long-term lurker here on the forum, and thought it would be time to give back a little bit.

I'm M30, and started on seeking autumn 2020, and I'm based out of one of the Nordic countries.

Nordics and Baltics is a place that is often overlooked, and I find it to be a little gem. Been using it to have fun weekends. Booking a spa hotel, having some nice dinner, and a lot of fun in bed.

What I've noticed so far is that the market is there, but it is not that many super Nordic girls. Instead there's a lot of exchange students, aupairs, and people that recently moved with their families for other reasons. The Nordic girls often want about 500 for a few hours. However, there are lot of gems, that are happy to either just getting a weekend away, or with a weekend contribution of about 200 in addition to the weekend away..Thanks for this, yes I definitely don't hear much about this part of the world. I think for some of us, the term "nordic model" (ie the purchase of sex is illegal, but being a hooker is legal) comes to mind so it's overlooked. Glad to hear the your have good luck over there. What platforms are you using mostly? Seeking / SDM something else?

[Berol Loz]

Having been banned from SA (https://seeking.com/) after several years, I have been on SDM (https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/) which is about the same. I was banned on Seeking for discussing the $$ of PPM in response to a woman's question, and she reported me. However, you can discuss PPM on the SDM site without being banned. The problem is that Craigslist banned prostitutes several years ago, so now the scammers and hookers are on Seeking and SDM. Unless you want that activity you need to weed them out.

I have always found the women I want to be with by requiring a meeting in a restaurant. I do not discuss monthly allowance or amount of PPM until I meet in a restaurant. They I get prepared for an argument, like they want to be on the same page before they waste their time. These women are not interested in anything but money, so I say "bye. " I try to find out about their last arrangement and do the same, pay the same amount and usually they will tell me the amount. I do not make an offer until the end of dinner, and only if I genuinely like the woman. I am not interested in overweight, nor bossy ***** es. And I do not try to have sex with them that same meetup night for 2 reasons: first I want no pressure and want to give them time to decide if they genuinely like me and I really like them. Secondly, I am too tired from having sex with the roster I have of 5-6 women I am already having arrangements with, unknown to them. I have 2 who are happy with $200 a meeting and I have been seeing one for 5 years now, the other for 2. Recently I have increased my PPM to 400-500 for a weekly meeting with bedroom time, and have found this to be more appropriate for the top teer women, and they are more affectionate knowing they will be better taken care of.Yes, I think once you've been banned from Seeking you have basically get a new email / credit card payment and they might still try and track you by address. I honestly don't know why they are so bent on driving away customers, but I guess it's about being really worried they'll be targeted like Backpage was a few years ago. Personally I have accounts on both, but I prefer sugardaddymeet.com too becasue of the same reasons: cost and not having to worry they're going to ban me becasue one of the girls complains about me or I say something that sounds too much like an offer for PPM. The good thing is, once you get them off the Seeking, most seem to prefer PPM. I, too, started off with $220 per meeting, but it seems like $3-400 is now the starting point.

I like the restaurant idea and yes that what I try with someone new as well to get an idea what they are like, that way you have an out if she doesn't give a good vibe. I think when I first started using Seeking about 8 years ago I clearly missed a lot of the signs when things were going to go south. Thanks for this, this is good advice.

[The Cane]

Yes, BBFS is pretty common on sugar sites. I've been on Seeking and SugardaddyMeet for a few years and only had 2 or 3 girls who were dead set against BBFS even after a second meetup.The one and only sugaring arrangement I ever had was BBFS with cum inside (her tubes were tied). And that was at $250 per meet in a Tier 1 city. Was a steal of a deal with a real hottie!

[Berol Loz]

When using Seeking, I message back and forth and wait for the girl to ask about what I am proposing. I always reply: with intimacy or not? That sets the expectation that there will or will not be sex.Honestly, this is one reason I prefer SDM over Seeking; you don't have to worry too much about talking about sex or mentioning compensation. Though I think these days girls know what these sites are about, when you say "spend time with", they usually assume that it involves sex. The girls who tend to be looking for non-sexual meetings put something in their profile or mention it when messaging.

[Berol Loz]

The recent exchange made me want to write this for the newer folks who are getting their bearings. These are the rules of the game. Or at lease they should be.

1. She is not your girlfriend. You might like each other and have great sex. But if you're paying, it's not a GF.

2 Always wear a condom. I know you like bareback. We all do. But by the time a girl is doing this, she's been around the block plenty.

3. don't believe her great story. She's as good a liar as you are. Maybe better. This is not her first time because she just didn't find the right guy till you came along.

4. Don't give money in advance. Ever.

5. Always end cordially. Even if she's an awful person who screws you. A woman's accusation, warranted or not, can make your life hell. Just pay the fine and move on.

6. Listen to your instincts. If you're getting bad vibes, listen to your intuition. There's a lot of crazy out there in this game. It doesn't attract women with zero issues.

There are prob more. But that's a good core.Good advice here, especially number 6, for Seeking / SDM or any other sugar site too.

[AmericanPi]

I'm calling it here. I work in strategy and I know the signs.

Seeking has been asking people to participate in focus groups. They have also been asking people if they want to be featured in news coverage about the site. And lately promo codes aren't working as much (none are active as this minute).

They almost certainly have a marketing consultant or inside team working on optimization. I know because I actually do this for a living.

Things will change. These things are usually done poorly because there are a lot of hucksters in the strategy game. It's hard to tell unless you're good at it but there are a lot of simpletons who deploy nonsensical aphorisms and simple fixes and they often go badly.

But I'm seeing the signs. It's coming.

[AmericanPi]

Good advice here, especially number 6, for Seeking / SDM or any other sugar site too.I'm adding one.

7. Fish where the fish are. Use the site where there are plenty of options and you'll do well. If you use the site where it's not popular you're basically hiring an escort because those are the only girls on there.

[FilthyBeaver]

Empty your inbox please.

[NeilGeorge]

Sadly I have witnessed the present internet "arrangement" girls are all asking for $500 a session, now. Before Covid they were asking $350.

My hood girl is still getting $200 a session after 3 years and still texts me, to see me. My slim blonde, former professional pole dancer / stripper still is getting $200 a session after 5 years, and we generally get together once a week. They have each gotten older over the past 3 and 5 years, respectively, and have not brought any new effort to the table, so their value has not increased.

Unfortunately throwing out such large $150 raises, for no increased value, is ruining it for all of us, Steve.I agree with Humble Hal. Things have gotten ridiculous with women trying to ask for and get more $$$ now. One told me she wanted $1,000 per meetup. Another $700. I quickly say, "You must be on another planet!" and discontinue. Its all about supply and demand. The women need to know that they are replaceable if they ask too much or perform too little. Some of you guys just throw money around, for no reason. Maybe you are incredibly rich and inherited your money and did not have to work for it! It still represents alot of work to give $150 to a girl who would accept $25. It shows stupidity.

1. Steve should have asked her "how much do you NEED"? Instead of just throwing money $500 at her like he is Richie Rich, Santa Claus, unless he has money to throw away. All girls WANT $$ The real question is how much do they NEED, and that is after they have a JOB and work. I ask how much do they earn at their regular job first. I am only a supplement, not they main provider for them. They also need to be kept dependent on your arrangement, so they will come back each week if you want them to. I don't want to get involved with hookers that have no real job, make their total living on their back, have multiple guys and all they do is roam around spreading herpes, STDs and other VD. I want a clean, exclusive employed woman, that only I can fuck and who has her own regular job and income. My gift should only be to supplement their normal job's income.

2. Steve should then have said, "Are you willing to do Anal or something new and perverted with me for the extra money?" Whenever I get a woman that wants more money I tell her I am on social security, may need help with my rent sometime, and may be able to give them more money if they perform above and beyond what they are now doing, but they need to understand that they need to perform more if they want to be paid more. When I mention "Anal sex" they usually shut up and are happy with what I have been giving them.

IT sounds like Steve has an unlimited amount of money and needs to learn how to negotiate with his women. I know some of you defend him all the time, but this is the truth. We all make mistakes and I cannot go along with his advice to just throw $150 at them when, if he would slow down and ask what they NEED he could have saved alot of money in the long run with this regular girl. We all are here to learn from eachother, so please take my advice next time. Thank you gentlemen.

[AmericanPi]

Empty your inbox please.Done and done.

[FilthyBeaver]

Easily the most bass ackward, misogynistic comment I've ever read here. Thank you.


I agree with Humble Hal. Things have gotten ridiculous with women trying to ask for and get more $$$ now. One told me she wanted $1,000 per meetup. Another $700. I quickly say, "You must be on another planet!" and discontinue. Its all about supply and demand. The women need to know that they are replaceable if they ask too much or perform too little. Some of you guys just throw money around, for no reason. Maybe you are incredibly rich and inherited your money and did not have to work for it! It still represents alot of work to give $150 to a girl who would accept $25. It shows stupidity.

1. Steve should have asked her "how much do you NEED"? Instead of just throwing money $500 at her like he is Richie Rich, Santa Claus, unless he has money to throw away. All girls WANT $$ The real question is how much do they NEED, and that is after they have a JOB and work. I ask how much do they earn at their regular job first. I am only a supplement, not they main provider for them. They also need to be kept dependent on your arrangement, so they will come back each week if you want them to. I don't want to get involved with hookers that have no real job, make their total living on their back, have multiple guys and all they do is roam around spreading herpes, STDs and other VD. I want a clean, exclusive employed woman, that only I can fuck and who has her own regular job and income. My gift should only be to supplement their normal job's income.

2. Steve should then have said, "Are you willing to do Anal or something new and perverted with me for the extra money?" Whenever I get a woman that wants more money I tell her I am on social security, may need help with my rent sometime, and may be able to give them more money if they perform above and beyond what they are now doing, but they need to understand that they need to perform more if they want to be paid more. When I mention "Anal sex" they usually shut up and are happy with what I have been giving them.

IT sounds like Steve has an unlimited amount of money and needs to learn how to negotiate with his women. I know some of you defend him all the time, but this is the truth. We all make mistakes and I cannot go along with his advice to just throw $150 at them when, if he would slow down and ask what they NEED he could have saved alot of money in the long run with this regular girl. We all are here to learn from eachother, so please take my advice next time. Thank you gentlemen.

[Mongerer88]

Easily the most bass ackward, misogynistic comment I've ever read here. Thank you.I thought it was quite educational, actually.

The same way that the FKK guys spent years complaining about the price increase from 50 to 100 or 150 euros and trying to convince others to only offer 50 euros.

If you are in your 50's or 60's and want to continue doing this until you die, either don't retire, or at least work part time.

There was a an old guy at a party once who had a sign that said Will Work For Sex. Everyone thought it was a play on those bums with Will Work for Food signs. Now I realize he might have been a John.

[The Cane]

If you are in your 50's or 60's and want to continue doing this until you die, either don't retire, or at least work part time.Or have an outstanding retirement income hahaha!

[FilthyBeaver]

So you're comparing an FKK to sugaring. There's your problem. And you assume a pensioner can't afford some arbitrary amount. You two aren't learning anything from the experienced posters here. If the op really thinks he's going to have a relationship above and beyond anything transactional he needs to start by not demeaning a girl whom very humbly asks for his help. There are a million and one ways to get laid on this planet for money and if you (or he) are worried about money seeking doesn't break the top twenty of them.


I thought it was quite educational, actually.

The same way that the FKK guys spent years complaining about the price increase from 50 to 100 or 150 euros and trying to convince others to only offer 50 euros.

If you are in your 50's or 60's and want to continue doing this until you die, either don't retire, or at least work part time.

There was a an old guy at a party once who had a sign that said Will Work For Sex. Everyone thought it was a play on those bums with Will Work for Food signs. Now I realize he might have been a John.

[Mongerer88]

So you're comparing an FKK to sugaring. There's your problem. And you assume a pensioner can't afford some arbitrary amount. You two aren't learning anything from the experienced posters here. If the op really thinks he's going to have a relationship above and beyond anything transactional he needs to start by not demeaning a girl whom very humbly asks for his help. There are a million and one ways to get laid on this planet for money and if you (or he) are worried about money seeking doesn't break the top twenty of them.No, what I meant was as soon as someone retires, they start viewing everything from a lens of what others "need", and what things used to cost. When you are working, you earn more yourself every year and are more willing to pay market rate in each particular market because you are aware of inflation. I used the FKKs as an example. There was a period of time when there were endless posts from retired guys who were disappointed that the 50 euros per session they had planned out during their retirement wasn't going to be the case. I am sure Steve9696 is paying the market rate for Sugaring and not somehow spoiling it for others. The cost of independent escorts in the western world has gone up considerably in the past few years, so logically the cost of Sugar Babies has also, along with everything in the service industry. For what it was worth, I was agreeing with you. Sorry you misunderstood my post.

[Elvis 2008]

Sadly I have witnessed the present internet "arrangement" girls are all asking for $500 a session, now. Before Covid they were asking $350.And a stripper I talked to said that $500 was a good night before Covid and after it, she said a bad night was anything less than $1000.


My hood girl is still getting $200 a session after 3 years and still texts me, to see me. My slim blonde, former professional pole dancer / stipper still is getting $200 a session after 5 years, and we generally get together once a week. They have each gotten older over the past 3 and 5 years, respectively, and have not brought any new effort to the table, so their value has not increased.

Unfortunately throwing out such large $150 raises, for no increased value, is ruining it for all of us, Steve.Not only do you have hookers on retainer, you assume everyone else does too. You are paying a wage for sex. A sugar daddy is giving a gift to help out a friend. I handled strippers or hood girls differently than sugar babies. They are not raised on generosity and think any men giving them a gift is a sucker.

The goal for a SB is a long term relationship. As someone said about Colombians, when you talk long term with strippers or people in the hood, that does not mean months or years but an hour.

When I went on P411 in my area, there were like 700 hookers. Seeking had 10,000+ women within 10 miles of my house. You are flattering yourself thinking you are going after the caliber of women Steve is going after, and that he is "ruining" things for you and other guys like you.

[FilthyBeaver]

No offense taken. I too am one of those who criticize people who complain about costs rising with time. These simpletons don't understand basic math, the time value of money, or real estate. Every business has an overhead that is a direct function of their rent or, if they own the place, what they expect to get for their land outside of the performance of the business. Additionally, these are the same simpletons that scoff at their yearly 3% raises and wonder why they can't keep up with the rest of the world but keep going back to the shit job day after day and year after year. Or, if they're really bright, they hold their employer hostage by going on strike and demanding shit that is completely impossible from a business prospective. This is because they've never owned a business (and don't care to because they'd have to the the risk of losing their shit job) and don't understand that their employees are already taking care of their best employees and the bottom 80% are cannon fodder. If they don't understand that the price of everything goes up with time, they are morons for accepting any kind of defined benefit pension as their only source of income and expecting they can live the life they lived while they worked their shit jobs.


No, what I meant was as soon as someone retires, they start viewing everything from a lens of what others "need", and what things used to cost. When you are working, you earn more yourself every year and are more willing to pay market rate in each particular market because you are aware of inflation. I used the FKKs as an example. There was a period of time when there were endless posts from retired guys who were disappointed that the 50 euros per session they had planned out during their retirement wasn't going to be the case. I am sure Steve9696 is paying the market rate for Sugaring and not somehow spoiling it for others. The cost of independent escorts in the western world has gone up considerably in the past few years, so logically the cost of Sugar Babies has also, along with everything in the service industry. For what it was worth, I was agreeing with you. Sorry you misunderstood my post.

[NeilGeorge]

A sugar daddy is giving a gift to help out a friend.Bizarre to hear this. Sugar Daddy always wants Sugar Baby to fuck him good. Always a quid pro quo.

A gift refers to a voluntary transfer of a benefit without the need for any compensation and consideration.

What planet are you on?

[Elvis 2008]

I don't really consider it denigrating anyone. It's merely a fact. But suppose it were denigrating, then by the opposite side of the coin, it would have to be that all men pay women for sex. So we're all losers that can't get real love. :DHey, Kazeu, your inbox is full.

[VanessasClient]

Hmmm, can we all agree on one thing? If any of us were satisfied with what we had, then we would not get on Seeking? If we all had wives who looked like they were 20 year old super models, and had a stronger sex drive than us, then what would our motivation be for getting on the site?

To be honest, I think all this relates to a bigger issue. And that being people not wanting to accept reality, or not being willing to adapt to adverse circumstances in life. There is no magic bullet; things are constantly evolving.

Just my bad luck the Amazonense girl appears to be a thief. Oh well, on to the next girl; there are tens of millions to choose from.

[Mongerer88]

Hmmm, can we all agree on one thing? If any of us were satisfied with what we had, then we would not get on Seeking? If we all had wives who looked like they were 20 year old super models, and had a stronger sex drive than us, then what would our motivation be for getting on the site?

To be honest, I think all this relates to a bigger issue. And that being people not wanting to accept reality, or not being willing to adapt to adverse circumstances in life. There is no magic bullet; things are constantly evolving.

Just my bad luck the Amazonense girl appears to be a thief. Oh well, on to the next girl; there are tens of millions to choose from.One of the most thought-provoking passages from the book The Godfather is Michael Corleone's analysis of what his father would have become had he not chosen to struggle against his fate. The comparison was to the ordinary Italian-American laborers.

For most guys seeing sex workers is a form of struggling against his fate. Which would be a less satisfying sex life for him without sex workers.

What I have never understood is this mentality that someone spending $500 on an adventure should either spend $200 or not spend anything at all, just because some other guys are only able, or willing, to spend $200, That is hardly struggling against one's fate. It is as much of a constraint as being dateless or accepting a lesser sex life with someone you are not attracted to.

[AmericanPi]

Hmmm, can we all agree on one thing? If any of us were satisfied with what we had, then we would not get on Seeking? If we all had wives who looked like they were 20 year old super models, and had a stronger sex drive than us, then what would our motivation be for getting on the site?.I don't know. I think a lot comes down to just wanting variety. I often see a girl who's pudgy or maybe just has one asset on her I find attractive. I wouldn't like her long term. But I'd do her in a minute once or twice just because she'd be new and different. And I had pretty hot girlfriends in my twenties who after a year of dating just became the girl I was banging and I over noticed any flaws they had. I think this is how it goes for a lot of us. It's the excitement of new.

[Elvis 2008]

Sugar Daddy always wants Sugar Baby to fuck him good. Always a quid pro quo.

A gift refers to a voluntary transfer of a benefit without the need for any compensation and consideration.

What planet are you on?The planet where I got over thinking I had to be a john. That is actually the problem with seeing prostitutes all the time. You condition yourself that it is always has to be about money for sex. The reason I went into sugaring is that hooker sex got old.

In the USA, the price had to be mentioned up front all the time. Once the women understood they were going to be compensated, they could let their hair down. Even when the relationship is over, I have had many, many SBs reach out to me later and be FB friends.

In the Latin American countries, there were times I was getting women in bed without mentioning price. The conversation was so smooth that it did not even come up. What I found was that if I presented myself in a wealthier fashion with clothes and where I was staying, women were much less likely to ask for money. It got to the point that being asked how much was a huge turnoff.

I have had this topic come up numerous times before with guys. I always say the same thing, "Keep an open mind and let her bring up price. She may not. " Guys argue with me all the time, say it cannot be done, finally try it, get a woman into bed, and then think that was a great idea they had. LOL.

The paradox of the situation is the less greedy girls have always gotten more out of me than the women who demand cash up front, and that is because I care about the whole person versus what is between their legs.

I did not really understand why American women were so adamant to get $ up front versus the Latin ones until I saw the phone of an American SB. She showed me all her seeking response. There were a few legitimate guys but the overwhelming amount were guys trying to trick her and get into her pants for free.

[Kazeu]

Cleared my inbox.


Hey, Kazeu, your inbox is full.

[Jbj64]

So I help out a few women in mexico and a few in Colombia and have a regular in Colombia. I don't.

Know the reason, but they said they were going to put a hold on my account until I called them. I called them and answered all their questions. And they said they were escalating it to be reviewed. The next day I called and asked about my transfer and they said my acct has been suspended but would not tell me why.

I am currently using western union, but their rates are much worse.

[Steve 9696]

So I help out a few women in mexico and a few in Colombia and have a regular in Colombia. I don't.

Know the reason, but they said they were going to put a hold on my account until I called them. I called them and answered all their questions. And they said they were escalating it to be reviewed. The next day I called and asked about my transfer and they said my acct has been suspended but would not tell me why.

I am currently using western union, but their rates are much worse.Try Wise. I really like it. Good rates low fees. Fast.

[AmericanPi]

So I help out a few women in mexico and a few in Colombia and have a regular in Colombia. I don't.

Know the reason, but they said they were going to put a hold on my account until I called them. I called them and answered all their questions. And they said they were escalating it to be reviewed. The next day I called and asked about my transfer and they said my acct has been suspended but would not tell me why.

I am currently using western union, but their rates are much worse.Out of curiosity, what's the backstory to helping these women? Some guys on here would say any number of things. You're being fed sob stories. They're giving the money to Sancho. You're being played.

I'm not saying those things. I'm just curious how you ended up in a situation where you have multiple people waiting on remittances.

[VanessasClient]

So I help out a few women in mexico and a few in Colombia and have a regular in Colombia. I don't.

Know the reason, but they said they were going to put a hold on my account until I called them. I called them and answered all their questions. And they said they were escalating it to be reviewed. The next day I called and asked about my transfer and they said my acct has been suspended but would not tell me why.

I am currently using western union, but their rates are much worse.Paypal has a horrible rap for slow transfer times and high fees on currency exchange. For any service, any time you use ACH or debit card, the fee will always be way less than using a credit card, because of their processing on the backend, among other things.

I have Wise, but my account has been frozen. I found out a girl was lying to me and trying to manipulate me, so I filed a chargeback on the funds I sent her. Which I would have never sent in the first place had I not the option to dispute the transaction. Wise, being the idiots that they are, absorbed the loss, rather than reclaiming the funds from her bank account, even though they have tantamount to her routing and account number (all her banking info from Pix). I could just imagine her reaction if she opened her bank account and saw a negative balance; screaming and cursing at me. Right now I could not care less about having Wise because I don't really use the service. If you get a Schwab debit card from their checking account service, any foreign ATM fees you are charged are refunded, and on top of that you do not a conversion fee for other currencies. You can just withdraw foreign currency at the same exchange rate that Visa gets, because it's a Visa branded card. Basically a forex rate without a penalty or profit for the otherwise. Of course, getting foreign cash is a bit different than sending someone money.

Unless I start using Wise, I probably won't care except if they were to try and hire a collections agency. There are other services, but not all of them allow transfers between numerous countries and currencies.

[Gfefan]

100% agree. It is the variety and wanting something new.

I have a mental roster of girls I bang (real roster is risky). Sometimes I wonder if something is wrong with me but then, I go back right to it.

Oddly though, there are few girls (particularly in Europe) I keep going back to because they are super nice persons to beginwith. So, they have breached the barrier and moved into friends with benefits category.


I don't know. I think a lot comes down to just wanting variety. I often see a girl who's pudgy or maybe just has one asset on her I find attractive. I wouldn't like her long term. But I'd do her in a minute once or twice just because she'd be new and different. And I had pretty hot girlfriends in my twenties who after a year of dating just became the girl I was banging and I over noticed any flaws they had. I think this is how it goes for a lot of us. It's the excitement of new.

[HumbleHal]

I often see a girl who's pudgy or maybe just has one asset on her I find attractive. I wouldn't like her long term. But I'd do her in a minute once or twice just because she'd be new and different. Life is too short to be with fatties or fugglies. Unless they pay you?? I do not mind asking women this if they are not my type, because I would need to be compensated. I do not wrestle outside of my weight class. And my car has a bumper sticker saying, "No Fat Chicks, Will Scrape!" Used to be if a woman was really butt ugly we could put a bag over their head and fuck them doggie style, but now most women complain about that.

I have had a couple women that I put a pink dog collar around their neck and attached it to a pink leather leash I bought from Petsmart. They thought it was a fetish, but I really wanted to see them crawl on the floor on all fours to my bedroom like a dog. True!

[GoingDumb]

Question for the older guys: how do you usually finish? I've been going bb with the same girl and can't finish with a condom on anymore. She's not on bc so cip is no go. Recently been CIM, her on BJ and using my hand but worried I'll get or already have death grip and not be able to finish cip anymore.

[Steve 9696]

Question for the older guys: how do you usually finish? I've been going bb with the same girl and can't finish with a condom on anymore. She's not on bc so cip is no go. Recently been CIM, her on BJ and using my hand but worried I'll get or already have death grip and not be able to finish cip anymore.Not quite sure what your question is, but blindly offer the following:

It's relatively common in older guys to not shoot a load from pure fucking. Even bareback. Odd but true.

BJ is absolutely key. Have to have a great warm up BJ. If it's good enough then may be able to finish fucking. If it's not enough then stop fucking and have interim BJ and then finish with fucking or CIM. All good. This is the way a lot of guys go.

If I REALLY can't cum say from fucking 8 girls in three days 😝 then her doing BLS and me on hand work is the ticket. Almost never fails.

Back on the BJ point. My girl Fuck Bunny was not much of a BJer and that made it hard to finish sometimes. My girl Hood Girl I trained up on BJ and wow what a difference an EXCELLENT BJ makes. Night and day.

[FilthyBeaver]

I try not to bang any girl that doesn't make me want to cream by just looking at her. Makes me really picky and have a mediocre pull rate from even an FKK or big soapy. Also means I pay more than most I just pay less often. I'm prediabetic and never had ED problems with condoms until my late 40's. Now it's about 50/50 and I don't like the ED pills because they cheapen the intensity of the nut. I won't go bare unless I've been with her for a while (sb), never with a straight prostitute, it's not worth my health.


Not quite sure what your question is, but blindly offer the following:

It's relatively common in older guys to not shoot a load from pure fucking. Even bareback. Odd but true.

BJ is absolutely key. Have to have a great warm up BJ. If it's good enough then may be able to finish fucking. If it's not enough then stop fucking and have interim BJ and then finish with fucking or CIM. All good. This is the way a lot of guys go.

If I REALLY can't cum say from fucking 8 girls in three days 😝 then her doing BLS and me on hand work is the ticket. Almost never fails.

Back on the BJ point. My girl Fuck Bunny was not much of a BJer and that made it hard to finish sometimes. My girl Hood Girl I trained up on BJ and wow what a difference an EXCELLENT BJ makes. Night and day.

[HumbleHal]

Question for the older guys: how do you usually finish?Yes. If she is on Birth Control then its a free shot, CIP or anywhere I want. If the pussy is big and I do not want it, then CIM.

If she is not on BC then cum outside is the answer. Unless you want to pay child support for 18 years. When you are dead, then it stops but a child could inherit from your estate, so watch out.

[AmericanPi]

Yes. If she is on Birth Control then its a free shot, CIP or anywhere I want. If the pussy is big and I do not want it, then CIM.

If she is not on BC then cum outside is the answer. Unless you want to pay child support for 18 years. When you are dead, then it stops but a child could inherit from your estate, so watch out.I hope this isn't too personal a question. If you're an older guy, presumably you don't want to start a new 18 year clock by having kids. But you like to go bare (which I am on the record as saying is a bad idea with girls you pay for sex but that's a different topic entirely). But my question is why not cut your tubes and eliminate the possibility entirely of an unwanted pregnancy at this stage in your life?

[Gfefan]

Just turned 41. Not sure if that is old.

No ED issues. Used Cialis a couple times, just to feel how it is. But felt less orgasm and a slight headache next day. So, no more.

Here is my order.

1. Vet the girl and filter out. Test results. So, my conversion ratio is low but a price I am willing to pay.

2. Pull out and finish elsewhere, mostly tummy or boobs even if she says she is on BC.

3. Once I gain trust, there are occasions I CIP but it's rare.

4. Enjoy a really good CIM if in the mood for it.

So, 70% finish elsewhere, 20% CIM, 10% CIP.

CIP is mostly with girls I have known for 3 years and have IUD. There was one occasion of CIP with a girl in California. But I felt nervous next day. So, stopped doing it early on until I have trust that she is genuinely on a reliable form of BC.


Question for the older guys: how do you usually finish? I've been going bb with the same girl and can't finish with a condom on anymore. She's not on bc so cip is no go. Recently been CIM, her on BJ and using my hand but worried I'll get or already have death grip and not be able to finish cip anymore.

[Steve 9696]

Just turned 41. Not sure if that is old.

No ED issues. Used Cialis a couple times, just to feel how it is. But felt less orgasm and a slight headache next day. So, no more.

Here is my order.

1. Vet the girl and filter out. Test results. So, my conversion ratio is low but a price I am willing to pay.

2. Pull out and finish elsewhere, mostly tummy or boobs even if she says she is on BC.

3. Once I gain trust, there are occasions I CIP but it's rare.

4. Enjoy a really good CIM if in the mood for it.

So, 70% finish elsewhere, 20% CIM, 10% CIP.

CIP is mostly with girls I have known for 3 years and have IUD. There was one occasion of CIP with a girl in California. But I felt nervous next day. So, stopped doing it early on until I have trust that she is genuinely on a reliable form of BC.Ima going to call you a youngster. Take your age. Add my standard GF age and you have my age. LOL.

[NapataJohn]

Ima going to call you a youngster. Take your age. Add my standard GF age and you have my age. LOL.Hahah no wonder girls are attracted to you, you have an amazing sense of humour.

[GoingDumb]

Not quite sure what your question is, but blindly offer the following:

It's relatively common in older guys to not shoot a load from pure fucking. Even bareback. Odd but true.

BJ is absolutely key. Have to have a great warm up BJ. If it's good enough then may be able to finish fucking. If it's not enough then stop fucking and have interim BJ and then finish with fucking or CIM. All good. This is the way a lot of guys go.

If I REALLY can't cum say from fucking 8 girls in three days 😝 then her doing BLS and me on hand work is the ticket. Almost never fails.

Back on the BJ point. My girl Fuck Bunny was not much of a BJer and that made it hard to finish sometimes. My girl Hood Girl I trained up on BJ and wow what a difference an EXCELLENT BJ makes. Night and day.I was worried I wouldn't be able to CIP since I've been finishing myself and CIM recently. And that seems to have killed any chance of finishing in a condom anymore. Even when I could finish in a condom it was a lot more effort though. Good to know it's normal for it to get harder to finish even bb inside. I've pulled out once for a back shot but it makes me nervous I won't time it right and the first little squirt will still be inside.

Are any of you snipped?

[VanessasClient]

I was worried I wouldn't be able to CIP since I've been finishing myself and CIM recently. And that seems to have killed any chance of finishing in a condom anymore. Even when I could finish in a condom it was a lot more effort though. Good to know it's normal for it to get harder to finish even bb inside. I've pulled out once for a back shot but it makes me nervous I won't time it right and the first little squirt will still be inside.

Are any of you snipped?Pulling out is not a reliable form of contraception, based on numerous studies finding that pre-ejaculate fluid often, though not always, contains sperm. Despite the prior mistaken belief that urinating in between orgasms would flush sperm from the urethra, thereby eliminating the problem. If I wanted to avoid pregnancy, I would never rely solely on that method. Where's Wes tried that, and even had the girl take the morning after pill, and she STILL got pregnant. I don't think that speaks very highly of the method. Granted, if you are 60+, the quality and quantity of your sperm has probably deteriorated so badly that it may not matter. I am not 60+.

[HumbleHal]

I hope this isn't too personal a question ... But my question is why not cut your tubes and eliminate the possibility entirely of an unwanted pregnancy at this stage in your life?Yes, it's personal, but funny now in hindsight.

In 1995 I went to the urologist to get a vasectomy after 2 kids. While in the back examination room, a fairly pretty, young woman came in, unannounced, in street clothes, and pulled down my zipper and started massaging my nut sack. She did not say who she was, nor what she was doing, nor was she wearing a white coat or uniform, nor was there another person in the exam room.

Then the doctor came in. I asked him, what was that fairly attractive young women doing to me, playing with my scrotum, did he know? He said that was his Physicians Assistant and she was checking to see if my sperm cord was long enough to pull through a slit and cauterize. Then he said he would not do the surgery because I had some emotional issues. Fuck him. Would have done his PA if she would have kept playing with me!

So later I have had 2 women approach me, wanting me to sire children with them. Neither one was wife material, but they were both very serious about it. One was my attractive banker, who knew I had some money in my accounts, and wanted me to sign a co-parenting agreement with her and make a baby. The other was a long-time very cute lady friend of age 40 that had been interested in me for 20 years, but was too independent to make wife material or live with.

Recently I have met a couple of sugar babies that would make good babies, both in their mid 20's and both slightly confused, which is what I like. I could probably make babies with either, if I wanted. Time will tell. All is good. Abraham had kids with Sarah when they were 100 so maybe I will. Alla Akbar.

[AmericanPi]

Yes, it's personal, but funny now in hindsight.

In 1995 I went to the urologist to get a vasectomy after 2 kids. While in the back examination room, a fairly pretty, young woman came in, unannounced, in street clothes, and pulled down my zipper and started massaging my nut sack. She did not say who she was, nor what she was doing, nor was she wearing a white coat or uniform, nor was there another person in the exam room.

Then the doctor came in. I asked him, what was that fairly attractive young women doing to me, playing with my scrotum, did he know? He said that was his Physicians Assistant and she was checking to see if my sperm cord was long enough to pull through a slit and cauterize. Then he said he would not do the surgery because I had some emotional issues. Fuck him. Would have done his PA if she would have kept playing with me!

So later I have had 2 women approach me, wanting me to sire children with them. Neither one was wife material, but they were both very serious about it. One was my attractive banker, who knew I had some money in my accounts, and wanted me to sign a co-parenting agreement with her and make a baby. The other was a long-time very cute lady friend of age 40 that had been interested in me for 20 years, but was too independent to make wife material or live with.

Recently I have met a couple of sugar babies that would make good babies, both in their mid 20's and both slightly confused, which is what I like. I could probably make babies with either, if I wanted. Time will tell. All is good. Abraham had kids with Sarah when they were 100 so maybe I will. Alla Akbar.That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. It kind of amounts to your saying well, never say never. Leave a back window open.

I don't know how old you are. I'm mid 40's. I also have 2 kids. After that, and I love them, but I'm not looking to start the clock over again. I don't want to be going to kindergarten plays at 60. It's ok to close one chapter of life and open a new one. Only reason I don't get snipped is I'm married so it'd be super suspicious. And anyways I'm a huge proponent of using condoms when banging girls you're paying for sex.

I know it's odd but after a multi day multi girl seeking trip I always have that outside fear that in 3 months I'll get a call from some faraway girl saying she's pregnant. And I'll have to basically say look my sperm is already weak and we always used a condom so it's not me. But the fear is always there. Just a little bit.

[Berol Loz]

Question for the older guys: how do you usually finish? I've been going bb with the same girl and can't finish with a condom on anymore. She's not on bc so cip is no go. Recently been CIM, her on BJ and using my hand but worried I'll get or already have death grip and not be able to finish cip anymore.I've been doing pull-out since probably my 20's, so either I have a low sperm count, or I just lucked out for close to 30 years. I get a feeling when I'm about to go and make sure I'm clear at least 2-3 seconds before. If I'm going a second round I'll usually wash off with soap when I go to the washroom. As someone else pointed out, just peeing is not a guarantee, but so far, so good.

[Steve 9696]

As you know I sorted out my three girl local dilemma. I had Fuck Bunny, Nerdy Girl, and Home Girl, who I will call G. G won out for best overall package of sweet girl with strong BJ and very submissive and grateful. Turns out to be a great choice.

G and I met up tonight and it being off season I was able to grab the Hyatt on Hotwire for less than $100 all in. Woo hoo! G was super stoked. She'the never been to a nice hotel before. And this is part of her charm. I am introducing this girl from the hood to the finer things in life. Feels a bit like Pretty Woman to be honest, tho I will not be White Knighting her.

I picked her up at her place and we planned to go to Thai because she had some Mango milk tea last time that she loved. But it was closed so we rocked on to the Hyatt. It has an amazing rooftop bar with a great view and pretty good tapas. She dressed up in a nice slinky black dress and some light jewelry knowing we were headed upscale. And she looked great.

After checkin we bopped on up to the top floor and got a table by the window. She of course was smitten with the view. But equally smitten with the drinks and tapas. Having just turned 21 she is quite enamored with mixology and was totally taken by the French 75, a concoction of gin, lemon juice and champagne. I grabbed Negroni and we settled in.

We ordered three different plates and one was a charcuterie tray. She of course didn't know this word but was happy for a meat and cheese tray. In Pretty-Woman-mode she really doesn't know the etiquette and it's rather endearing as she dips the prosciutto in the honey. I follow suit and damn it's really good! But it's just so fun to see this girl so full of life, experiencing it more fully.

She slugs down her drink and orders another. She's def getting a bit tipsy but that's all for the good as she's great fun in bed when inspired by drink. I get an Aperol Sprtiz to slow things down a bit (don't want to be too drunk to cum). The meal is quite excellent and she is on cloud nine being treated like a princess.

In the room of course we are quite comfortable by now. We start with a joint shower because of course the Hyatt has a nice glam bath. She's clearly never done this before and there is no preview BJ and her hands on is a bit awkward but honestly it's quite endearing to be with this babe in the woods and soaping her tits has me hard as a brick.

Back in the room we dive under the covers because we are chilly and just spoon naked for a bit. It's not long before I am reaching between her legs to work her clit and she is very receptive. I find her pussy surprisingly wet already from the bit of kissing and warm up.

Of course it's time to get me in the game so I get up and go stand at side of bed my hard cock just inches from her face. She rolls a bit more to her stomach and takes me in her mouth. You may recall I coached up her BJ from a 4 to an 8. Damn she caught on fast and loves to suck dick it turns out!

Her BJ these days is totally fabulous and clearly she enjoys it. We go on and on, with a buffet of harmonica and BLS and shaft pumping. Just super good. I start fingering her from behind and she is slippery wet and getting wetter.

She must BJ me for at least twenty minutes and I think she would gladly keep on more but I am now dying to fuck her so I pull her into bedside doggie. I fuck her really good like this for at least ten minutes. There is a mirror on the opposite wall and it's very sexy to watch myself impaling her!

After that I switch it up to The Steve and pound good with her on her back. She prefers it fast and rough so I am really slamming her hard and she is squeaking and throwing her head to the side and grimacing and all the pre-O behavior.

In the past I've always gotten her worked up to this level where she is clearly in another world but could never quite get the O from fucking. So in a stroke of genius I break from fucking and go down on her. Using my best tricks from my buddy Mark I have her going wild almost instantly and it can't be more than 3 minutes when she has a crashing O, pushing me out of the way as it overcomes her.

Well that was a damn lot of fun but I haven't cum yet. And she rolls on her side away from me. She always does this when spent and I give her a bit of time and then roll her back and put her on BJ. But since she's such a limp fish right now I have a great idea and let her rest as I pop onto the elevator and grab another round of French 75's to go.

Back in the room we enjoy our drinks and relax a bit before I put her back on BJ. Same setup with me at edge of bed and pussy fingering as she sucks me on her stomach. Damn she has gotten good! She must surely suck me for at least another 10 minutes before I start to feel the urge to fuck her to completion.

Even tho she's still BJing like a goddess I pull out and set up for mish. She feels like absolute heaven and I feel the build quickly after all that warm up. We both start kissing urgently, tongues tangling while I build. Doesn't take much of that till I shoot a hot load inside her. Damn that was one fine evening!

[The Cane]

I'm having lots of login problems and wondering if anybody else is as well? The site keeps asking for my login credentials over and over and over again, and doesn't let me in when provided, as if the site is stuck in a loop or something. Contacted customer support, but of course that's shit on Seeking! Anybody else experienced this, and if so how did you resolve? I've already cleared the cache and cookies, tried different browsers, updated browsers, tried different devices, updated devices, etc. Nothing has worked. Pretty ticked off as I dropped good money for a new subscription and was developing all kinds of great contacts and prospects!

[Kazeu]

What are your opinions on girls that live far away? I'm trying to use seeking in Brazil. Every once in a while I'll see a girl that looks pretty good, then start chatting and realize she lives out in the boonies. Then I start the internal debate. Is it worth it to pay for her fare and take the risk that it will all go well? How much are you guys willing to pay for a meet and greet with a girl? Most girls want an uber, but uber adds up, especially when the distance is considerable and you're paying for round trip. How do guys handle this? Do you guys just forget about any girl that is more than X distance away? Do you get her to take the bus?

[AmericanPi]

What are your opinions on girls that live far away? I'm trying to use seeking in Brazil. Every once in a while I'll see a girl that looks pretty good, then start chatting and realize she lives out in the boonies. Then I start the internal debate. Is it worth it to pay for her fare and take the risk that it will all go well? How much are you guys willing to pay for a meet and greet with a girl? Most girls want an uber, but uber adds up, especially when the distance is considerable and you're paying for round trip. How do guys handle this? Do you guys just forget about any girl that is more than X distance away? Do you get her to take the bus?Paying Uber to get a girl to the date is totally 100 percent normal. Especially in poorer countries where it sucks to take public transport all dolled up. Be happy it's Brazil. Uber should be cheap there. Girls who do this usually don't live in the town center. It's normal for them to spend 45-60 min taking an Uber and you're paying 20-25 bucks for them to do so. Here in the US it's often like 30-50 bucks.

That said I find it annoying when I don't learn I'll be incurring a new expense until just before the date. I hate surprises.

[Kazeu]

Paying Uber to get a girl to the date is totally 100 percent normal. Especially in poorer countries where it sucks to take public transport all dolled up. Be happy it's Brazil. Uber should be cheap there. Girls who do this usually don't live in the town center. It's normal for them to spend 45-60 min taking an Uber and you're paying 20-25 bucks for them to do so. Here in the US it's often like 30-50 bucks.

That said I find it annoying when I don't learn I'll be incurring a new expense until just before the date. I hate surprises.True. I guess I'll just need to try to vet them harder before deciding to meet up. I think 50 bucks round trip is fine. When it becomes questionable is when its more like 80 to 100 round trip due to distance.

[FilthyBeaver]

I have a problem with this. If she doesn't at least own a car I'm generally not interested. Not that I care about can fare it's that there will always be "something. " Sick mom, sick dog, friend owes her, babysitter sitter bailed, blah blah blah.

I met 4 girls that didn't own a car and it never got past a chat or a first meet. That said, it's normal to have car in most of the US. In a place where it's not so common then it's ok but buyer beware. Think about the service businesses you frequent and how many ask for money up front? Aside from the shady AMPS I can't think of any. Even strippers wait for the songs to end.


What are your opinions on girls that live far away? I'm trying to use seeking in Brazil. Every once in a while I'll see a girl that looks pretty good, then start chatting and realize she lives out in the boonies. Then I start the internal debate. Is it worth it to pay for her fare and take the risk that it will all go well? How much are you guys willing to pay for a meet and greet with a girl? Most girls want an uber, but uber adds up, especially when the distance is considerable and you're paying for round trip. How do guys handle this? Do you guys just forget about any girl that is more than X distance away? Do you get her to take the bus?

[HumbleHal]

Paying Uber to get a girl to the date is totally 100 percent normal... taking an Uber and you're paying 20-25 bucks for them to do so. Here in the US it's often like 30-50 bucks.
Until you find out they have stolen your information and are taking Uber at your expense all around. Somehow if you uber someone to you they can get your app information and continue to use your Uber wherever they want to go. They get on and off a block away from their true destination so the police cannot find them and you have to cancel your credit card to shake them!

Better practice is to make them use their own uber app and credit card, then reimburse them in cash when they show up. Never pay for airplane tickets for someone else, they will cash them in and keep the refund.

[AmericanPi]

Until you find out they have stolen your information and are taking Uber at your expense all around. Somehow if you uber someone to you they can get your app information and continue to use your Uber wherever they want to go. They get on and off a block away from their true destination so the police cannot find them and you have to cancel your credit card to shake them!

Better practice is to make them use their own uber app and credit card, then reimburse them in cash when they show up. Never pay for airplane tickets for someone else, they will cash them in and keep the refund.I do not see how this is possible. I don't use the feature where I add another rider. I simply order for myself and then send a message to the driver saying actually it's for my friend and she's wearing whatever she's wearing that day. And I text her as the driver is coming closer to wait outside. Never had a people. Actually only problem has been stupid girls making it hard for the uber driver like not being ready and waiting and scanning for him. I swear some of them must think the Uber driver is just going to magically pull up in front of them and know it's them.

[AmericanPi]

I have a problem with this. If she doesn't at least own a car I'm generally not interested. Not that I care about can fare it's that there will always be "something. " Sick mom, sick dog, friend owes her, babysitter sitter bailed, blah blah blah..This is really limiting. Outside the US it's totally normal to not own a car. If you make like 500 bucks a month you're not a car owner but you're perfect for seeking.

Here in the US I've had several girls who don't own cars. They uber when they need to go to work. In California I suspect that's actually cheaper than buying and insuring a vehicle. If you're a waitress as my current seek slit is, that seems totally ok choice.

Quick side story. In Mexico once had a girl stay over. She did drive over which I was surprised by. In the morning she asked me for a bottle of water. I watched her leave through the window and she proceeded to open the trunk to her decayed, decrepit old car and pour the water into the radiator to get it going. I swear girl should just be using uber. I'm sure that car must have stranded her shortly after.

[Kazeu]

I have a problem with this. If she doesn't at least own a car I'm generally not interested. Not that I care about can fare it's that there will always be "something. " Sick mom, sick dog, friend owes her, babysitter sitter bailed, blah blah blah.

I met 4 girls that didn't own a car and it never got past a chat or a first meet. That said, it's normal to have car in most of the US. In a place where it's not so common then it's ok but buyer beware. Think about the service businesses you frequent and how many ask for money up front? Aside from the shady AMPS I can't think of any. Even strippers wait for the songs to end.In Brazil, I don't think a women with a car would be on seeking. I could be wrong though, maybe girls have cars because they're on seeking.

[FilthyBeaver]

It's a cart / horse, chicken / egg problem. Don't disagree with AmericanPi but if a girl is resourceful enough or gets enough family support to drive a car I don't feel like she'll nickel and dime me and I don't want to be in a position to tell her no all the time. It kills the vibe to say the least.


In Brazil, I don't think a women with a car would be on seeking. I could be wrong though, maybe girls have cars because they're on seeking.

[Steve 9696]

In Brazil, I don't think a women with a car would be on seeking. I could be wrong though, maybe girls have cars because they're on seeking.Sounded like you were asking whether you should send money for an uber. Definitely do not do that! Ever. I love sending girls Uber. As someone said it can be a pain hooking them up but more recently uber added ability to send for someone else and they can communicate which is better. I love that I can track her right to the door and pop out and meet her.

And yes uber is cheaper than dirt in Brasil.

On the car owner aspect I'the say there are def great girls who don't have cars. G doesn't. She walks to work. And catches rides with friends. And Fuck Bunny only had her boyfriends car but couldn't always use it.

[VanessasClient]

What are your opinions on girls that live far away? I'm trying to use seeking in Brazil. Every once in a while I'll see a girl that looks pretty good, then start chatting and realize she lives out in the boonies. Then I start the internal debate. Is it worth it to pay for her fare and take the risk that it will all go well? How much are you guys willing to pay for a meet and greet with a girl? Most girls want an uber, but uber adds up, especially when the distance is considerable and you're paying for round trip. How do guys handle this? Do you guys just forget about any girl that is more than X distance away? Do you get her to take the bus?See my post on the Floripa board. I literally did this in Brazil. And no, a girl cannot hack your Uber account unless you hand her your phone, or she knows your user name and password. If you send an Uber for a girl, you screen shot the page that shows the driver, car, and license plate. She doesn't have access to your app. She may have her own Uber app, but that links to her account, not yours. If you use the 4 digit safety feature, make sure she knows the PIN when the driver picks her up.

Uber is super cheap in Brazil. Outside of major cities, it sometimes can be hard to hail a driver in a timely manner. Girls who trapped in small towns, like Blumenau for instance, love getting out of those places. They were usually born there, and don't have the money to leave. They are thrilled with the chance to escape the mundane, and this is a major lure if you want to see someone for more than an hour. Such as a multi day trip. A lot of these girls are broke students, and some of them speak English pretty well. Also, my personal opinion is that Brazil is significantly safer for seeing girls than other South American destinations such as Colombia.

It all depends on what you want, and how much you want to pay overall. Sometimes the selection of the immediate city is no good, especially in Brazil when girls ads / profiles come and go often. Here, take a look.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?560-Florianopolis&p=2917517#post2917517.

[Gfefan]

Anyone else not seeing pics show up on thumbnails? This is happening to me across search, and message center.

If I restart the phone, it works for a while and returns to same problem a little later.

Also, re-installed the app a couple times.

[The Cane]

Anyone else not seeing pics show up on thumbnails? This is happening to me across search, and message center.

If I restart the phone, it works for a while and returns to same problem a little later.

Also, re-installed the app a couple times.I had this issue off and on, but has been fine for a few weeks now (yes, I managed to get back in after like 24 hours).

[DwayneJohnson]

Anyone else not seeing pics show up on thumbnails? This is happening to me across search, and message center.

If I restart the phone, it works for a while and returns to same problem a little later.

Also, re-installed the app a couple times.Use web version. I think their servers are overloaded or something. Web version works after refreshing few times. I stopped using phone app version long ago.

[The Cane]

Use web version. I think their servers are overloaded or something. Web version works after refreshing few times. I stopped using phone app version long ago.It was the web version I was having a problem with. The phone app version always worked fine. Now both are good!

[DwayneJohnson]

I have a better job offer than current one from a Swiss company. However, at the moment I am knee deep in pussy. So I'm contemplating move to Zurich. Personally I don't have any problem in moving and offer is very tempting from career perspective. However, since most of my monthly expenses are on hot girls, I wonder how expensive would be seeking thing in Zurich? Right now getting a pretty university girl for less than 400 euro per meeting is easy. I am calculating my actual spending capacity based on this and thinking even if I earn 50% more than present there will be effectively no real increase in purchasing power. Thanks in advance for any inputs.

[HumbleHal]

I try to be open to new talent, though I have 2 regulars and I give them each $200 a session, have done so for years. Recently I have seen the prices asked go up to $1,000 although most of the time the girls will settle for $400 to $500. This is supposed to be for top talent, 25 year old, pussy that is on birth control so I can take a free shot.

Problem is that most of these girls think they are top talent and can command what they ask, but they have moderately saggy tits and saggy ass. Or they may be fatter than their photos and what I like. I like slim, all natural and a good attitude of submission. I prefer to take the lead, I do not want a woman directing the bedplay action.

I find out in bed when they are naked. Sometimes they underperform, or are mechanical. Usually I can tell after a couple of visits if I feel like repeating and working them into my rotation schedule. I only fuck every other day, due to age and lower testosterone.

Normally I can unhinge from seeing them. Normally they have an anger issue and are rude, so I simply do not contact them again, and move on to the next fuck online. Sometimes I try to delay getting together with excuses, like I am out of town for a week or so visiting family. It is hard to tell them the truth, that they are too fat, rude or saggy tits and ass, so I try to be gentle and let them go with diginity, or gradually.

[DwayneJohnson]

Normally I can unhinge from seeing them. Normally they have an anger issue and are rude, so I simply do not contact them again, and move on to the next fuck online. Sometimes I try to delay getting together with excuses, like I am out of town for a week or so visiting family. It is hard to tell them the truth, that they are too fat, rude or saggy tits and ass, so I try to be gentle and let them go with diginity, or gradually.My best option to get rid of unwanted sugarbaby was saying that I am moving out of country and just change apartment. However in smaller cities in Europe it's difficult. Recently discovered the zoomer method of just ghosting or going silent on WhatsApp, Telegram, Phone etc works best. Younger generation seems cool with ghosting technique, few of my SBs told me they do this often with SDs they don't want to see again.

[VanessasClient]

I try to be open to new talent, though I have 2 regulars and I give them each $200 a session, have done so for years. Recently I have seen the prices asked go up to $1,000 although most of the time the girls will settle for $400 to $500. This is supposed to be for top talent, 25 year old, pussy that is on birth control so I can take a free shot.

Problem is that most of these girls think they are top talent and can command what they ask, but they have moderately saggy tits and saggy ass. Or they may be fatter than their photos and what I like. I like slim, all natural and a good attitude of submission. I prefer to take the lead, I do not want a woman directing the bedplay action.

I find out in bed when they are naked. Sometimes they underperform, or are mechanical. Usually I can tell after a couple of visits if I feel like repeating and working them into my rotation schedule. I only fuck every other day, due to age and lower testosterone.

Normally I can unhinge from seeing them. Normally they have an anger issue and are rude, so I simply do not contact them again, and move on to the next fuck online. Sometimes I try to delay getting together with excuses, like I am out of town for a week or so visiting family. It is hard to tell them the truth, that they are too fat, rude or saggy tits and ass, so I try to be gentle and let them go with diginity, or gradually.If you are that concerned, just block them. Hopefully they do not have your personal info.

[Gfefan]

I saw a profile. Very attractive. Quite tall. To my liking. Located about 10 miles from me.

Age 41. Beyond my usual filter but willing to overlook that due to the attractiveness and fit body.

We exchanged few chats, doesn't seem like a scammer. I left my phone number for her before my subscription expired (left it only because she seemed legit). She has responded but I can't read now unless I renew.

Now, casual browsing tinder. Wife is going to be away for a few days. LOL.

I see the exact same person on Tinder. Although age says 51. And location is 25 miles from me. Looking for long term relationship (not my thing) VS. NSA on SA (my thing).

I am so curious I almost want to renew subscription, get back the convo and figure if she is a scammer.

[The Cane]

I saw a profile. Very attractive. Quite tall. To my liking. Located about 10 miles from me.

Age 41. Beyond my usual filter but willing to overlook that due to the attractiveness and fit body.

We exchanged few chats, doesn't seem like a scammer. I left my phone number for her before my subscription expired (left it only because she seemed legit). She has responded but I can't read now unless I renew.

Now, casual browsing tinder. Wife is going to be away for a few days. LOL.

I see the exact same person on Tinder. Although age says 51. And location is 25 miles from me. Looking for long term relationship (not my thing) VS. NSA on SA (my thing).

I am so curious I almost want to renew subscription, get back the convo and figure if she is a scammer.Don't do it! Don't waste your money. Red flags a flapping in the wind! In the meantime, I have connected with a more "mature" blue-eyed blonde whose intro was, "Do you want to fuck"? LOL! And she is for real. I know it after checking her out carefully. And because she is older, she offers a discounted rate of $350 per meet. The young hotties in my new college city are commanding $500 and up pay per meet.

[VanessasClient]

I saw a profile. Very attractive. Quite tall. To my liking. Located about 10 miles from me.

Age 41. Beyond my usual filter but willing to overlook that due to the attractiveness and fit body.

We exchanged few chats, doesn't seem like a scammer. I left my phone number for her before my subscription expired (left it only because she seemed legit). She has responded but I can't read now unless I renew.

Now, casual browsing tinder. Wife is going to be away for a few days. LOL.

I see the exact same person on Tinder. Although age says 51. And location is 25 miles from me. Looking for long term relationship (not my thing) VS. NSA on SA (my thing).

I am so curious I almost want to renew subscription, get back the convo and figure if she is a scammer.Are the photos 100% identical? Or could she just be very similar looking? I usually won't meet without a video chat first, for this very reason. I don't get too excited about potential prospects until I've vetted them.

[Gfefan]

100% identical.


Are the photos 100% identical? Or could she just be very similar looking? I usually won't meet without a video chat first, for this very reason. I don't get too excited about potential prospects until I've vetted them.

[VanessasClient]

100% identical.Yeah but subscriptions to Seeking are expensive. Why blow the money when there's another ad posted with a 10 year age difference? Unless you think someone stole her pictures on tinder.

[Indy69]

I saw a profile. Very attractive. Quite tall. To my liking. Located about 10 miles from me.

Age 41. Beyond my usual filter but willing to overlook that due to the attractiveness and fit body.

We exchanged few chats, doesn't seem like a scammer. I left my phone number for her before my subscription expired (left it only because she seemed legit). She has responded but I can't read now unless I renew.

Now, casual browsing tinder. Wife is going to be away for a few days. LOL.

I see the exact same person on Tinder. Although age says 51. And location is 25 miles from me. Looking for long term relationship (not my thing) VS. NSA on SA (my thing).

I am so curious I almost want to renew subscription, get back the convo and figure if she is a scammer.I'd only go back on if you actually want to go back on. That means you're in the mood for a sugar baby in general, not this particular woman. I've learnt from experience not to attach any value to a girl from Seeking until she's earned it. Even then, I do so reluctantly!

The plain fact of the matter is, the vast majority of interactions you have on Seeking are a waste of your time. By the time you filter through the scammers, the flakes, the ones who you meet and who you're not interested in, the ones you lije, but who drop you, you're into the 1/2 per hundred territory! The lesson being, always be ready to move on abd Never change your plans to chase or suit someone from Seeking.

[HumbleHal]

Yeah but subscriptions to Seeking are expensive.Try SugarDaddyMeet its much cheaper and about the same, and they do not kick you off for negotiating price on the site.

[Steve 9696]

I know this is the Seeking thread but you guys are my buds so thought I would give you a heads up to check out my upcoming posts in the São Paulo and Rio threads. To summarize: 1 week. 15 girls. 14 new. Repeated with three. Had an amazing dupla. Did three girls on two of the days and four on another. Took my Rio Seeking girl on a helicopter ride. Epic. Brazil is def best girls locale on planet earth. Happy to share tips if you like.

I know this sounds like total BS but you guys know me and it 100% just went down. Amazing. Best trip ever and that is a high bar.

[The Cane]

In the meantime, I have connected with a more "mature" blue-eyed blonde whose intro was, "Do you want to fuck"? LOL! And she is for real. I know it after checking her out carefully. And because she is older, she offers a discounted rate of $350 per meet. The young hotties in my new college city are commanding $500 and up pay per meet.Beyutch thought I was going to give her rusty ass $300 just to show up and meet and greet and eat and drink and be merry on my dime at the same time. I don't pay out allowance-level money the very first time I meet somebody who I don't even know and may not like. That's just throwing money away. She's now out while I set meetings up with much younger and much hotter "snowbunnies". Like somebody just said. Seeking is mostly a waste of your time. At least it's not an efficient use of time as you seek the right one for you.

[VanessasClient]

Beyutch thought I was going to give her rusty ass $300 just to show up and meet and greet and eat and drink and be merry on my dime at the same time. I don't pay out allowance-level money the very first time I meet somebody who I don't even know and may not like. That's just throwing money away. She's now out while I set meetings up with much younger and much hotter "snowbunnies". Like somebody just said. Seeking is mostly a waste of your time. At least it's not an efficient use of time as you seek the right one for you.One reason I always start off with sex. If they aren't willing to meet in the bed room first, then they shouldn't be on Seeking, or pretty much any "dating" website with the possible exception of eHaromny or the like.

[VanessasClient]

Try SugarDaddyMeet its much cheaper and about the same, and they do not kick you off for negotiating price on the site.Yeah but how's the database? Are there a lot of girls who will join Seeking but not SDM?

[The Cane]

One reason I always start off with sex. If they aren't willing to meet in the bed room first, then they shouldn't be on Seeking, or pretty much any "dating" website with the possible exception of eHaromny or the like.Yeah, women who expect to show up and be paid just to meet and greet are on the wrong site. They aren't seeking an arrangement. They're seeking free money! And guys who pay out like that are suckers! Unfortunately, I can't start off with sex. I'm really, really picky! I have to meet somebody in person first to see if I really am attracted to them. I don't try to fuck somebody I'm not attracted to. And I'm not confident I'm truly attracted unless and until I see someone in person. This is a key reason I don't deal with escort agencies with all their bait and switch tactics. So still looking for the one. Like I said, I've got some real prospects one hell of a lot younger and hotter than her. Her loss and not mine!

[Steve 9696]

Yeah, women who expect to show up and be paid just to meet and greet are on the wrong site. They aren't seeking an arrangement. They're seeking free money! And guys who pay out like that are suckers! Unfortunately, I can't start off with sex. I'm really, really picky! I have to meet somebody in person first to see if I really am attracted to them. I don't try to fuck somebody I'm not attracted to. And I'm not confident I'm truly attracted unless and until I see someone in person. This is a key reason I don't deal with escort agencies with all their bait and switch tactics. So still looking for the one. Like I said, I've got some real prospects one hell of a lot younger and hotter than her. Her loss and not mine!Yeah I am same. I don't want to just meet at the hotel and fuck. I will in a pinch but def not my preference. I want a real date with dinner and wine and laughter (or bare minimum a drink). But then I def want sex that first night while the momentum and attraction are there. I haven't done the date then sex the next time thing much at all and have had a few fails that way. Always take it to the bedroom while the iron is hot!

[HumbleHal]

But then I def want sex that first night while the momentum and attraction are there. I haven't done the date then sex the next time thing much at all and have had a few fails that way. Always take it to the bedroom while the iron is hot!Not all girls are experienced players and some of the 19 and 20 year olds do not even kiss on the first date, which is a bad sign. Nor are all of them hot, either. Some are iffy. Some want too much money for their sex. So sometimes its better to go home and think about it, maybe the next day they will come down in their price. There are always better ones there unless she is a 10/10/10 in face, body and attitude.

Its like fishing, not all are worth taking home, some have to be thrown back because they are overvalued in their own mind, and not worth it for one reason or another.

Lately I have come across many who are heavier and larger than their photos, and they think they are worth top dollar. I have even rejected a few at the restaurant door, saying "I prefer slim and you are too large, sorry. " Then I walk away.

[VanessasClient]

Yeah I am same. I don't want to just meet at the hotel and fuck. I will in a pinch but def not my preference. I want a real date with dinner and wine and laughter (or bare minimum a drink). But then I def want sex that first night while the momentum and attraction are there. I haven't done the date then sex the next time thing much at all and have had a few fails that way. Always take it to the bedroom while the iron is hot!If it's a matter of looks, I would agree. But I've found most women aren't willing to do that (ie pay me cash in exchange for dinner; my response: FUCK OFF! If she is pretty, she'd have to be a total moron for the sex not to work. I've only encountered a few of those in my lifetime. But, I have had more than several instances of shitty services. Rushed, no kissing, poor attitude, etc. I'm not 100% sure that would change if I had dinner with them first, but maybe.

[Steve 9696]

If it's a matter of looks, I would agree. But I've found most women aren't willing to do that (ie pay me cash in exchange for dinner; my response: FUCK OFF! If she is pretty, she'd have to be a total moron for the sex not to work. I've only encountered a few of those in my lifetime. But, I have had more than several instances of shitty services. Rushed, no kissing, poor attitude, etc. I'm not 100% sure that would change if I had dinner with them first, but maybe.Maybe we are looking for different things or vet them differently. I'm looking for a regular girl who is trying this out for extra cash. Waitress. Customer service. Admin. Clothing store clerk. Pretty girls. Nice girls. A girl I want to make my "girlfriend" in a given city. Someone I enjoy spending time w outside the bedroom. These girls often end up being much cheaper too because they aren't straight up hourly pros.

I should note also that such girls disappear fast. They are only on for a few weeks before some many douche bags scare them off. So u have to be constantly mining for gold.

[Gfefan]

Yeah, makes sense. Dropping the idea.

Thanks for putting sense into my head.


Yeah but subscriptions to Seeking are expensive. Why blow the money when there's another ad posted with a 10 year age difference? Unless you think someone stole her pictures on tinder.

[Gfefan]

You are right. There's plenty of fish in the bowl.

I normally subscribe, fish, take contacts, play with those girls until I am bored and then, return to subscribe. Cycle repeat. In an average I spend 3 months a year on seeking with a subscription.

So, no point returning for this specific girl. Next time when I return, if she is still around, maybe I will hit her up.

If not on to the next fish.


I'd only go back on if you actually want to go back on. That means you're in the mood for a sugar baby in general, not this particular woman. I've learnt from experience not to attach any value to a girl from Seeking until she's earned it. Even then, I do so reluctantly!

The plain fact of the matter is, the vast majority of interactions you have on Seeking are a waste of your time. By the time you filter through the scammers, the flakes, the ones who you meet and who you're not interested in, the ones you lije, but who drop you, you're into the 1/2 per hundred territory! The lesson being, always be ready to move on abd Never change your plans to chase or suit someone from Seeking.

[Gfefan]

What is it with advance payment and $80?

This figure keeps coming up. I need to find a babysitter. $80.

I need to find someone to take care of my grandad. $80.

I need gas and some commitment from you that you are real. $80.

Perhaps, it's high enough and yet is below 100 that scammers think guys will dole out?

[The Cane]

Not all girls are experienced players and some of the 19 and 20 year olds do not even kiss on the first date, which is a bad sign. Nor are all of them hot, either. Some are iffy. Some want too much money for their sex. So sometimes its better to go home and think about it, maybe the next day they will come down in their price. There are always better ones there unless she is a 10/10/10 in face, body and attitude.

Its like fishing, not all are worth taking home, some have to be thrown back because they are overvalued in their own mind, and not worth it for one reason or another.

Lately I have come across many who are heavier and larger than their photos, and they think they are worth top dollar. I have even rejected a few at the restaurant door, saying "I prefer slim and you are too large, sorry. " Then I walk away.Try Ruthless Hal hahaha!

[Kazeu]

Just had a seeking girl spew profanities at me for asking her if she had any kids. After repeatedly asking me why I would ask that, I told her straightforwardly, I don't like stretch marks on my women. She got really pissed after that and told me I should go find a prostitute. Am I the asshole here? Do women really think that having kids doesn't devalue them?

[VanessasClient]

Just had a seeking girl spew profanities at me for asking her if she had any kids. After repeatedly asking me why I would ask that, I told her straightforwardly, I don't like stretch marks on my women. She got really pissed after that and told me I should go find a prostitute. Am I the asshole here? Do women really think that having kids doesn't devalue them?Personal topic, and most women are protective of their kids. They don't want clients knowing about their families, nor discussing them, as it's "none of their business" and a potential safety issue. Also there is a stigma associated with being a single mom. I can't even count the number of profiles that list "prefer not to answer" on the line for "has kids".

[VanessasClient]

What is it with advance payment and $80?

This figure keeps coming up. I need to find a babysitter. $80.

I need to find someone to take care of my grandad. $80.

I need gas and some commitment from you that you are real. $80.

Perhaps, it's high enough and yet is below 100 that scammers think guys will dole out?Two things I can think of.

First, it could be a protocol that scammers are passing around the dark web. Maybe some psychological study shows that numbers at or below this amount don't arouse suspicion. Perhaps since it is not a round number, it stands out less, or makes the story more believable.

Secondly, it could be that over 80 triggers a red flag with the payment processors such as Venmo, etc. Or that under 80 most consumers lose disputes / chargebacks due to some obscure regulation about lower amounts.

Do you mean 80 US dollars?

[DwayneJohnson]

Just had a seeking girl spew profanities at me for asking her if she had any kids. After repeatedly asking me why I would ask that, I told her straightforwardly, I don't like stretch marks on my women. She got really pissed after that and told me I should go find a prostitute. Am I the asshole here? Do women really think that having kids doesn't devalue them?Probably she would be thinking you are a psychopath. Try to pick slim women, fatter they are more likely they have stretch marks. Most of the eastern Europe women are well maintained and stretch mark free even after couple of kids.

[Kazeu]

Personal topic, and most women are protective of their kids. They don't want clients knowing about their families, nor discussing them, as it's "none of their business" and a potential safety issue. Also there is a stigma associated with being a single mom. I can't even count the number of profiles that list "prefer not to answer" on the line for "has kids".Oddly enough she claimed to not have any kids, but then continued to feel insulted about me asking.

Usually when they answer "Prefer not to answer" It means yes they have kids.

[Kazeu]

Probably she would be thinking you are a psychopath. Try to pick slim women, fatter they are more likely they have stretch marks. Most of the eastern Europe women are well maintained and stretch mark free even after couple of kids.All the women on seeking use filters to remove any sort of marks they have.

[HumbleHal]

What is it with advance payment and $80?
This figure keeps coming up. I need to find a babysitter. $80.
I need to find someone to take care of my grandad. $80.
I need gas and some commitment from you that you are real. $80.
Perhaps, it's high enough and yet is below 100 that scammers think guys will dole out?They are scammers, wanting you to send them money before you meet them, then they do not show up. Another popular request is their car is in the shop and not working so they need $$ to get it fixed to come to meet you at a restaurant. If you send money on Cashapp or elsewhere, then they do not show up. Sometimes I tell them I will give them $20 for gas at the restaurant where I meet them, but usually they are scamming me. Its a red flag that more fraud is coming, likely they are using 5 year old photos also, when they were slim, and when you meet them in person you will see they are fat.

[Gfefan]

I don't think you are an asshole for asking that but a lot depends on the context.

Context of first and foremost how you asked. It depends on what you both were discussing when you popped the question.

Secon, there is this culture element. Where is the lady from? I usually have seen European women open a out it VS. US women are cagey. Unless they need $ to babysit. LOL.

It also depends on what mood she was in. Perhaps, she was mad at something else at that time and you just happened to ask it at the wrong time.

So, don't feel bad about it. Next time, choose carefully when and how you ask.

There's plenty of fish out there. Put this lady behind you and move on.


Just had a seeking girl spew profanities at me for asking her if she had any kids. After repeatedly asking me why I would ask that, I told her straightforwardly, I don't like stretch marks on my women. She got really pissed after that and told me I should go find a prostitute. Am I the asshole here? Do women really think that having kids doesn't devalue them?

[AmericanPi]

Just had a seeking girl spew profanities at me for asking her if she had any kids. After repeatedly asking me why I would ask that, I told her straightforwardly, I don't like stretch marks on my women. She got really pissed after that and told me I should go find a prostitute. Am I the asshole here? Do women really think that having kids doesn't devalue them?This is a really interesting topic. I also screen out girls with kids. For a few reasons. They tend to be looser down there. Unless they've had a see section but then they tend to have a visible unsightly scar. None of these reasons would be deal breakers except for the fact that there are so many girls on seeking that if it bothers me why even consider it.

Then there's the problem that single moms need child care. You don't really have their full attention. They can only stay so late because they're paying a sitter. Or their mind is elsewhere. I don't fault that of course. I just don't need to deal with it so why would I?

And of course women hate being told that having kids disqualifies them. Why wouldn't they? It's like telling a guy he's disqualified because he's bald or too short or whatever. It's insulting because it's something you can't change. But once again, it's your money so it's your choice.

The one thing I'll say however is I would never tell a woman that's why. It's just impolite. There are other ways to part ways with someone that leaves her feelings intact. Sometimes lying is the ethical thing to do.

[Steve 9696]

The one thing I'll say however is I would never tell a woman that's why. It's just impolite. There are other ways to part ways with someone that leaves her feelings intact. Sometimes lying is the ethical thing to do.That's a good way to put it. Once on seeking I had this great rapport and we exchanged pics and she said "I don't think I could get with anyone that old". Damn that stung. Would rather have a white lie or a ghosting!

In the end we became Penpals and I helped her with her med school application. You just never know where this world will lead us.

[VanessasClient]

That's a good way to put it. Once on seeking I had this great rapport and we exchanged pics and she said "I don't think I could get with anyone that old". Damn that stung. Would rather have a white lie or a ghosting!

In the end we became Penpals and I helped her with her med school application. You just never know where this world will lead us.I once told a courtesan I wouldn't be able to make the appointment I scheduled rather far in advance. She got pissed as shit and snapped back at me. Looking back at it, it might have been better to block her. Not ideal either way; but remember, you don't owe these people anything.

[Elvis 2008]

Just had a seeking girl spew profanities at me for asking her if she had any kids. After repeatedly asking me why I would ask that, I told her straightforwardly, I don't like stretch marks on my women. She got really pissed after that and told me I should go find a prostitute. Am I the asshole here? Do women really think that having kids doesn't devalue them?If you are an asshole for caring how a woman looks, then we are all assholes.

The funny part is that it goes both ways. There was a female gorilla in a lab being shown videos of a potential mate. The first one was so ugly to her that she ran from the screen. With the second one, she was kissing the screen. Women are just better at hiding it than men are. I saw on a talk show once with this geek named Blayne. There was a hottie on the show and she was asked if she would date Blayne, and she said it was his name not what he looked like that she had an issue with. If Blayne were an adonis, I doubt the name would have stopped her.

The reality is you have a pool of women wanting to date you, and you have women in that pool you are attracted to. So when a woman says she should be in your attractive pool, that just tells me she is insecure. The mature response is "Oh, you do not like me. Thanks for being honest" and she goes on and looks for a guy who does not mind stretch marks. Instead of saying this one man does not like me, she is thinking all men do not like her which is a sign of immaturity.

I think the biggest mistake guys make is not focusing on their own pool and getting bogged down on those outside of it. Even when I worked my way into a woman's pool, the juice was never worth the squeeze.

[The Cane]

I wonder if Seeking has "ringers" on the payroll just to try to get guys hooked on paying those high membership fees? I'm talking women (or could be a guy pretending) who have no intention of meeting you, and are just there to try to keep you as a paying member. I know other types of dating sites are guilty of this unethical practice, and even knew a girl who did that kind of work for a dating site once. Keep them hooked! I mean I was talking to somebody supposedly from a little town not too far from me, and we had some good conversation on the site. Then next thing I know, several days later her profile shows her in another little town all the way across the country! Definitely something fishy going on. Blocked! Also, beware if you drop your membership on any dating site, and then all of a sudden you start getting all of these messages you have to pay for to read. It's a scam! So don't fall for it.

[VanessasClient]

I wonder if Seeking has "ringers" on the payroll just to try to get guys hooked on paying those high membership fees? I'm talking women (or could be a guy pretending) who have no intention of meeting you, and are just there to try to keep you as a paying member. I know other types of dating sites are guilty of this unethical practice, and even knew a girl who did that kind of work for a dating site once. Keep them hooked! I mean I was talking to somebody supposedly from a little town not too far from me, and we had some good conversation on the site. Then next thing I know, several days later her profile shows her in another little town all the way across the country! Definitely something fishy going on. Blocked! Also, beware if you drop your membership on any dating site, and then all of a sudden you start getting all of these messages you have to pay for to read. It's a scam! So don't fall for it.You mean live people are doing the communication instead of bots?

[Gfefan]

About 10 months ago, I met this chick via SA.

Slim, fit, blonde. Totally my type. We met for a few drinks, conversation flowed well. We discussed what each of us expect.

There were slight differences but nothing deal breaking. I walked with her after drinks and we had this tender moment of a deeply passionate kiss. And we parted ways. It was no expectations meet and greet anyway. But I walked with a bulge in pants after that kiss.

Few days later, she texted me that she was expecting around 600 to 800 per date and that I was offering half. I told her my upper limit and mentioned to her that 600 is a deal breaker. And, it kinda went cold.

But, she would text me once a while and just have random chats. Like just two friends checking in and neither of us mentioned $ or meet up.

Last week, I checked in on her because I know she had a rough few weeks. She responded that she is doing OK.

This morning, I woke up to text "hey, you got any plans for tonight? If not, maybe, we grab a drink and see where it goes?

I am headed for that drink. Excited. But holding my horse (s) back.

Will post back how this night goes.

[Steve 9696]

About 10 months ago, I met this chick via SA.

Slim, fit, blonde. Totally my type. We met for a few drinks, conversation flowed well. We discussed what each of us expect.

There were slight differences but nothing deal breaking. I walked with her after drinks and we had this tender moment of a deeply passionate kiss. And we parted ways. It was no expectations meet and greet anyway. But I walked with a bulge in pants after that kiss.

Few days later, she texted me that she was expecting around 600 to 800 per date and that I was offering half. I told her my upper limit and mentioned to her that 600 is a deal breaker. And, it kinda went cold.

But, she would text me once a while and just have random chats. Like just two friends checking in and neither of us mentioned $ or meet up.

Last week, I checked in on her because I know she had a rough few weeks. She responded that she is doing OK.

This morning, I woke up to text "hey, you got any plans for tonight? If not, maybe, we grab a drink and see where it goes?

I am headed for that drink. Excited. But holding my horse (s) back.

Will post back how this night goes.This is soooo exciting. Best of luck to you. Yeah girls circumstances change. Rents due. Broke up w BF whatever. You have to be constantly in touch because you never know when is the right time. Fingers crossed.

A wise man once explained it to me this way. Guys make decisions based on facts. And facts don't change. So guys decisions are consistent. Girls make decisions based on emotions. And emotions change. So other decisions. Suddenly the world made total sense! Plus their facts (situation) do change over time.

[VanessasClient]

About 10 months ago, I met this chick via SA.

Slim, fit, blonde. Totally my type. We met for a few drinks, conversation flowed well. We discussed what each of us expect.

There were slight differences but nothing deal breaking. I walked with her after drinks and we had this tender moment of a deeply passionate kiss. And we parted ways. It was no expectations meet and greet anyway. But I walked with a bulge in pants after that kiss.

Few days later, she texted me that she was expecting around 600 to 800 per date and that I was offering half. I told her my upper limit and mentioned to her that 600 is a deal breaker. And, it kinda went cold.

But, she would text me once a while and just have random chats. Like just two friends checking in and neither of us mentioned $ or meet up.

Last week, I checked in on her because I know she had a rough few weeks. She responded that she is doing OK.

This morning, I woke up to text "hey, you got any plans for tonight? If not, maybe, we grab a drink and see where it goes?

I am headed for that drink. Excited. But holding my horse (s) back.

Will post back how this night goes.How odd, I've only had it go the other way around. Except they would always offer extras first, then later on it would go to shit. Bad luck for me, I guess.

[The Cane]

About 10 months ago, I met this chick via SA.

Slim, fit, blonde. Totally my type. We met for a few drinks, conversation flowed well. We discussed what each of us expect.

There were slight differences but nothing deal breaking. I walked with her after drinks and we had this tender moment of a deeply passionate kiss. And we parted ways. It was no expectations meet and greet anyway. But I walked with a bulge in pants after that kiss.

Few days later, she texted me that she was expecting around 600 to 800 per date and that I was offering half. I told her my upper limit and mentioned to her that 600 is a deal breaker. And, it kinda went cold.

But, she would text me once a while and just have random chats. Like just two friends checking in and neither of us mentioned $ or meet up.

Last week, I checked in on her because I know she had a rough few weeks. She responded that she is doing OK.

This morning, I woke up to text "hey, you got any plans for tonight? If not, maybe, we grab a drink and see where it goes?

I am headed for that drink. Excited. But holding my horse (s) back.

Will post back how this night goes.I'm talking to a smoking hot 21 year-old baby who knows it too. Slim, beautiful, blue-eyed, and blonde. Really pretty face! A freaking 10 on my optics scale. And she wants to bareback! She asked for a ridiculous $1,000 per meet, twice the going rate in this town, and I said hell no! I countered with $500 per meet plus if she needs something like some clothes, groceries, something for her apartment, shoes, etc. She thought about it for a day and came back and said OK. We're going to both get recent testing so we can go bareback. She wants me to cum in her! This girl is so, so hot! Even more than my last one and only baby (we were also barebacking). My dick is so hard right now it hurts! My god! When you score on Seeking you really fucking score! Man! All I can say is cast a wide net, be persistent, and swing for the fences for the home run! Wow!

[HumbleHal]

I'm talking to a smoking hot 21 year-old baby who knows it too. Slim, beautiful, blue-eyed, and blonde. Really pretty face! A freaking 10 on my optics scale. And she wants to bareback! She asked for a ridiculous $1,000 per meet, twice the going rate in this town, and I said hell no! I countered with $500 per meet plus if she needs something like some clothes, groceries, something for her apartment, shoes, etc. She thought about it for a day and came back and said OK. We're going to both get recent testing so we can go bareback. She wants me to cum in her! This girl is so, so hot! Even more than my last one and only baby (we were also barebacking). My dick is so hard right now it hurts! My god! When you score on Seeking you really fucking score! Man! All I can say is cast a wide net, be persistent, and swing for the fences for the home run! Wow!Many of these level 10 girls are "Dead Fish" in the bedroom. It comes down to their attitude. Its all about them and very little about you.

I always tell them I cannot wear condoms because I cannot feel anything, so I get checked often, just recently, I might add, and never have had anything. I offer to let them see my test results, but they never have taken me up on it, they trust me. I also tell them I have only had sex with 7-8 women in my life. In reality, add 2 zeros at the end, more like 700 to 800.

Unless they have an IUD, I always do the pull out method and cum on their ass. I prefer not to make a baby and pay child support for 18 years, although I have had 2 women that wanted to and asked to have babies with me.

So after a few fucks I get tired of them and ghost them and get something different.

[AmericanPi]

I'm talking to a smoking hot 21 year-old baby who knows it too. Slim, beautiful, blue-eyed, and blonde. Really pretty face! A freaking 10 on my optics scale. And she wants to bareback! She asked for a ridiculous $1,000 per meet, twice the going rate in this town, and I said hell no! I countered with $500 per meet plus if she needs something like some clothes, groceries, something for her apartment, shoes, etc. She thought about it for a day and came back and said OK. We're going to both get recent testing so we can go bareback. She wants me to cum in her! This girl is so, so hot! Even more than my last one and only baby (we were also barebacking). My dick is so hard right now it hurts! My god! When you score on Seeking you really fucking score! Man! All I can say is cast a wide net, be persistent, and swing for the fences for the home run! Wow!I hope you're snipped man. You are playing with fire if not. A girl telling you she's on birth control means nothing unless you are 100% sure. Don't let a few nights of passion stick you with a child. You don't know that a girl doesn't see you as an 18 year early pension. Just do your due diligence and don't trust the word of a girl you don't know.

[HumbleHal]

I wonder if Seeking has "ringers" on the payroll just to try to get guys hooked on paying those high membership fees? I'm talking women (or could be a guy pretending) who have no intention of meeting you, and are just there to try to keep you as a paying member. I know other types of dating sites are guilty of this unethical practice, and even knew a girl who did that kind of work for a dating site once. Keep them hooked!The day you first join they feature your profile to other women, and give you priority to interact with women all around the world. Also on the day or two before your membership expires. So you get all kinds of hit and attention on those days.

On the days in between your profile and photo is shuffled in the middle with everyone else and you get much less exposure. Its all designed to boost renewals. All the dating sites do this.

[VanessasClient]

The day you first join they feature your profile to other women, and give you priority to interact with women all around the world. Also on the day or two before your membership expires. So you get all kinds of hit and attention on those days.

On the days in between your profile and photo is shuffled in the middle with everyone else and you get much less exposure. Its all designed to boost renewals. All the dating sites do this.If that is true, that's not exactly unethical, compared to deliberately filling the site with bots, or having a human pose as an interested party.

[HumbleHal]

I recently acquired a new sugar baby named HOpe. Another in my rotation is named HOlly. They both have the same birthday, Monday November 18th of this week. What are the chances / odd? 1 out of 365. Less than. 003 chance. They are identical according to horoscope and both easy to get along with, but one gets twice the $$ what I give the other.

I took one for lunch today and shopping, the other one goes for lunch and shopping next Monday. They do not know about each other but are both my HOes. What are the odds they would do a 3-some with me? Afraid to tell them about each other to suggest it. True.

[Jbj64]

Last day of a 5 week trip, started in BA and ending in SP.

I only had 1 girl in BA because I found a gem on the first date.

Guili, 33 why. O fake blonde, all natural tits. I kept going back to her because I felt the price was fair a one hundred dollar bill for 2 hours.

She does BBBJ, bb anal BUT covered in pussy, afraid of babies. She also does CIM, great attitude, does golden showers too, not on her face. Saw her five times in three weeks, will probably fly her somewhere to meet for vacation.

I went to Rio but did not use seeking. Then I went on to SP, have seen 3 ladies here, all in early 30's.

Mary was first, when I asked her how much she wanted. She just said whatever I feel is fair which turns out to be not. The case she wanted four hundred for the full day but I wasn't willing to give her that, so I was planning on giving her two hundred and we agreed on two fifty and then she tried to get another fifty which I denied will not see her again.

The next one is renata who is a thirty two year old attorney all natural, paid $200 usd, totally a traditional date with sex at the end all covered, no anal, speaks perfect English. Fun to be with, but sex was not worth it. If I could convince her that I was s. T. the free and away to figure out how she could not worry about getting pregnant. She might end up going bareback.

Last night saw Cris, another thirty something professional that speaks perfect english this one did everything bare including CIM.

In s p I might have paid a little bit more, but it was worth it for me.

[Steve 9696]

I recently acquired a new sugar baby named HOpe. Another in my rotation is named HOlly. They both have the same birthday, Monday November 18th of this week. What are the chances / odd? 1 out of 365. Less than. 003 chance. They are identical according to horoscope and both easy to get along with, but one gets twice the $$ what I give the other.

I took one for lunch today and shopping, the other one goes for lunch and shopping next Monday. They do not know about each other but are both my HOes. What are the odds they would do a 3-some with me? Afraid to tell them about each other to suggest it. True.Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. I have had two sugar babies turn from 23 to 24 in my hotel room in London. I shit you not. We fucked on their birthday in my room and I barely knew either one. Seems like they could be making hit up but no. The first was Thifany who I flew from Brazil. I had her passport to book her flight so I know it was factually her birthday. The second was a local London girl of Viet descent. It was our very first date, and she took "the birthday call" from her mom while sittting on my bed as I removed her leather fuck-me boots!

You cannot make this shit up!

[Gfefan]

So, this turned out to be a good date but I consciously ended with no action.

We met at a bar, grabbed a few drinks, cozy place given the storm outside.

Chatted a lot. She walked me through all goods and bads in her life. She has a startup now and we discussed some feedback on her approach and website.

(Yes, I know her real name and place etc. ,

She has had a rough few months due to a personal loss. As she drank more, she opened up more. I was happy to lend her a listening ear.

Two hours of chit chat and hugs and few kisses.

Neither did I push for taking it to the room (didn't feel like it. Felt like I would take advantage of her vulnerability that night. Just didn't feel right) nor did she offer.

A deep lingering kiss by the corner where we waited for her uber. Uber arrived. A warm hug and we both went our ways.

Next AM got a text from her that she felt good after letting it out previous night.

Spent $70 on our snacks / drinks but I have this good feeling that the money didn't go waste. If I could make someone feel better, why not!


About 10 months ago, I met this chick via SA.

Slim, fit, blonde. Totally my type. We met for a few drinks, conversation flowed well. We discussed what each of us expect.

There were slight differences but nothing deal breaking. I walked with her after drinks and we had this tender moment of a deeply passionate kiss. And we parted ways. It was no expectations meet and greet anyway. But I walked with a bulge in pants after that kiss.

Few days later, she texted me that she was expecting around 600 to 800 per date and that I was offering half. I told her my upper limit and mentioned to her that 600 is a deal breaker. And, it kinda went cold.

But, she would text me once a while and just have random chats. Like just two friends checking in and neither of us mentioned $ or meet up.

Last week, I checked in on her because I know she had a rough few weeks. She responded that she is doing OK.

This morning, I woke up to text "hey, you got any plans for tonight? If not, maybe, we grab a drink and see where it goes?

I am headed for that drink. Excited. But holding my horse (s) back.

Will post back how this night goes.

[Steve 9696]

So, this turned out to be a good date but I consciously ended with no action.

We met at a bar, grabbed a few drinks, cozy place given the storm outside.

Chatted a lot. She walked me through all goods and bads in her life. She has a startup now and we discussed some feedback on her approach and website.

(Yes, I know her real name and place etc. ,

She has had a rough few months due to a personal loss. As she drank more, she opened up more. I was happy to lend her a listening ear.

Two hours of chit chat and hugs and few kisses.

Neither did I push for taking it to the room (didn't feel like it. Felt like I would take advantage of her vulnerability that night. Just didn't feel right) nor did she offer.

A deep lingering kiss by the corner where we waited for her uber. Uber arrived. A warm hug and we both went our ways.

Next AM got a text from her that she felt good after letting it out previous night.

Spent $70 on our snacks / drinks but I have this good feeling that the money didn't go waste. If I could make someone feel better, why not!Yep. Genuine human interaction with these women is underrated. Fuck bunny even told me she enjoyed hanging out with me more than her BF because I listen to her shit. You could tell she just needed to let it out. And then a very grateful fuck later that night.

[VanessasClient]

So, this turned out to be a good date but I consciously ended with no action.

We met at a bar, grabbed a few drinks, cozy place given the storm outside.

Chatted a lot. She walked me through all goods and bads in her life. She has a startup now and we discussed some feedback on her approach and website.

(Yes, I know her real name and place etc. ,

She has had a rough few months due to a personal loss. As she drank more, she opened up more. I was happy to lend her a listening ear.

Two hours of chit chat and hugs and few kisses.

Neither did I push for taking it to the room (didn't feel like it. Felt like I would take advantage of her vulnerability that night. Just didn't feel right) nor did she offer.

A deep lingering kiss by the corner where we waited for her uber. Uber arrived. A warm hug and we both went our ways.

Next AM got a text from her that she felt good after letting it out previous night.

Spent $70 on our snacks / drinks but I have this good feeling that the money didn't go waste. If I could make someone feel better, why not!So, are you going to follow up with her?

[Gfefan]

Yes. We text each other.

I am open to fucking her when she is out of her vulnerable zone and is consciously OK fucking. Thumb rule is neither I nor her should regret the fuck next AM.

Until then, a few texts here and there or a few drinks is totally fine with me. After all, a $40 for a weekend drinks at a bar is something I would do anyway. Picking up the tab including her drinks is no big deal. To be clear, I will not pay her for her time on platonic dates. I will not cause that inflation or encourage that behavior...but picking the tab for an additional 30/40 bucks, once a while, is no biggie.

Fuck or no fuck. I think what I like about this girl is that we both know the ppm is not something we are aligned. But, she is mature enough to see beyond just ppm. So, that itself is a win in terms of neither of us taking it transactionally. As long as those good vibes last, why not?

It costs nothing to make someone feel good. I guess that's what we are doing to each other.


So, are you going to follow up with her?

[VanessasClient]

Yes. We text each other.

I am open to fucking her when she is out of her vulnerable zone and is consciously OK fucking. Thumb rule is neither I nor her should regret the fuck next AM.

Until then, a few texts here and there or a few drinks is totally fine with me. After all, a $40 for a weekend drinks at a bar is something I would do anyway. Picking up the tab including her drinks is no big deal. To be clear, I will not pay her for her time on platonic dates. I will not cause that inflation or encourage that behavior...but picking the tab for an additional 30/40 bucks, once a while, is no biggie.

Fuck or no fuck. I think what I like about this girl is that we both know the ppm is not something we are aligned. But, she is mature enough to see beyond just ppm. So, that itself is a win in terms of neither of us taking it transactionally. As long as those good vibes last, why not?

It costs nothing to make someone feel good. I guess that's what we are doing to each other.Hmmmm. What if you find yourself in a similar situation, but the girl is over an hour drive away? What if at the end of the date, she requested $50 to go fill her tank with gas; would you do it?

[HumbleHal]

Hmmmm. What if you find yourself in a similar situation, but the girl is over an hour drive away? What if at the end of the date, she requested $50 to go fill her tank with gas; would you do it?You are NOT obligated to give them $50 gas money or any money unless you start an arrangement at an agreed price, other than pay for the meal if you offer to meet them in a restaurant. Get over this. I have just gotten rid of one Mooch that otherwise had good talent (firm boobies) because she keeps begging and asking for more money for gas, groceries, baby sitter, etc.

I have had enough of the Mooching. Then when I go to the gas station, grocery store checkout or 7-11 Cashier they always ask if I would like to donate for someone else's kids. Come on, man! Stop asking me for money, mooches! Just say NO! Then BYE. Just like the pan handlers on the street corner, you are NOT obligated to give them shit! And you are not obligated to tip at a restaurant if you get shitty service or no walnuts on your salad, like they did to me today.

And when I am tired of the woman or want to take a break, I simply say "I am short of money this week, babe! Or "going out of town this week to visit family" "Maybe next week!" And then I can cut them loose if I want and get another. Sometimes the chase is the fun. And most women are not worth the aggravation they cause! You need to be able to say NO and cut them off when YOU are tired of them!

[Gfefan]

That is not similar situation.

The moment she asks money for "her time" but no intimacy, deal is off the table.

I entertain only those girls who are non-transactional. For example, my Europe SB got into an accident and I helped her with money although we areon different continents. And that sweet one returns the money to me the next time we met. The AM after sex at hotel she was returning my money and I actually joked "wait. Am I the SB now?

Needless to say, I refused to take it back but you get the point. It is not the distance that matters. Nor the $. It is the overall package.

And, if they are after gas / baby sitter money, they don't make the cut of being my SB. I pay. What they do with it is upto them.

Wise ones use me well. Rest. I just don't give a fuck.


Hmmmm. What if you find yourself in a similar situation, but the girl is over an hour drive away? What if at the end of the date, she requested $50 to go fill her tank with gas; would you do it?

[Indy69]

Hey All,

I have a potential trip coming up to Amsterdam. Thinking of seeing what's out there on Seeking and looking to see if I can have a fun evening or two. Anyone had any recent experience here? Would be good to know what the going rate is allowance-wise and if it's generally worth the hassle. My expectations are actually pretty low, as I'm expecting girls to be demanding and possibly for not a great experience. Just thought I'd reach out and see how others have done here first though.

[Gfefan]

Not sure about Amsterdam city but overall NL is good.

I have done 300 date, dinner, overnight stay. Maastricht is where my regular is from. It is a university town couple hours drive from Amsterdam.

The Hague also has given me great experiences at the same price point.

Tall, athletic blondes.


Hey All,

I have a potential trip coming up to Amsterdam. Thinking of seeing what's out there on Seeking and looking to see if I can have a fun evening or two. Anyone had any recent experience here? Would be good to know what the going rate is allowance-wise and if it's generally worth the hassle. My expectations are actually pretty low, as I'm expecting girls to be demanding and possibly for not a great experience. Just thought I'd reach out and see how others have done here first though.

[Indy69]

Thanks for the info Gfefan.

Maastricht is quite a bit removed from Amsterdam. I don't think I'll be able to make it that far down.

I've had a little scout on Seeking and yes it looks tempting. 300 per date would be absolutely fine. I've not been on Seeking for some time. This trip might entice me back in.

[ADI1598]

Looking to subscribe Seeking through Gpay option using a gift card. Has anyone tried this in the UK, if so please can someone advice which prepaid / cash cards work best for this.

[VanessasClient]

Looking to subscribe Seeking through Gpay option using a gift card. Has anyone tried this in the UK, if so please can someone advice which prepaid / cash cards work best for this.If you are referring to Google Pay, it's just linked to a card. If the merchant forbids prepaid cards, then it likely will not allow you to bypass this.

[VanessasClient]

So on Amazon Prime there's now a movie called "Sugar Baby." It's not a series; it's a 2 hour fictional work. From the trailer, it seems to start off with some girls exploring the "lifestyle", and appears to culminate with a woman ending up in dangerous situation with her sugar daddy being discovered too late as a violent criminal. There are no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes yet, but the ones on IMDB seem to be positive. Of course, just like reviews for sex workers, it's very difficult to authenticate movie reviews as being legit. I'm most curious to know if the producers of the film consulted with an actual prostitute to get accurate info to put into the movie, jaja.

[CarloRogue]

Any recommendations on interesting and fun destinations for New Year's Eve, preferably someplace warm and with a beach, and with a vibrant SA community? For example, Rio was great for me, but always looking for somewhere new, that also has cultural / historical interest and a good food scene.

[VanessasClient]

Any recommendations on interesting and fun destinations for New Year's Eve, preferably someplace warm and with a beach, and with a vibrant SA community? For example, Rio was great for me, but always looking for somewhere new, that also has cultural / historical interest and a good food scene.Punta del Este is warm this time of year. But, its tourist season, so the prices will be higher. Surrounding areas like Buenos Aires might also work.

[The Cane]

So on Amazon Prime there's now a movie called "Sugar Baby." It's not a series; it's a 2 hour fictional work. From the trailer, it seems to start off with some girls exploring the "lifestyle", and appears to culminate with a woman ending up in dangerous situation with her sugar daddy being discovered too late as a violent criminal. There are no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes yet, but the ones on IMDB seem to be positive. Of course, just like reviews for sex workers, it's very difficult to authenticate movie reviews as being legit. I'm most curious to know if the producers of the film consulted with an actual prostitute to get accurate info to put into the movie, jaja.How about they consult with an actual sugar daddy to get our views on the lifestyle? I mean sometimes the crazy, dangerous one is the baby and not the daddy. Using the same old tired tropes and storylines they are!

[VanessasClient]

How about they consult with an actual sugar daddy to get our views on the lifestyle? I mean sometimes the crazy, dangerous one is the baby and not the daddy. Using the same old tired tropes and storylines they are!I decided to give it a watch. It's mainly just a parody on modern social culture. Satire against people doing stupid shit like being addicted to OnlyFans.

On your note though, I am finding it more and more difficult to trust women in general; particularly when it comes to anything amorous.