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VanessasClient
12-19-24, 01:39
Did seeking get rid of them?No, they still have them. But generally only display them AFTER your membership expires, in an effort to get you to rejoin.
FilthyBeaver
12-19-24, 04:27
The very desirable ones are snatched up quick. Make no mistake, there are whales out there that anipe the most desirable girls and they are gone as fast as they showed up. Years ago, I met two absolute stunners in (person) with brains on top of that. Unfortunately I met them just before a two week overseas. They came to my gorgeous house, saw my car, saw I was legit, we discussed terms with the only caveat being I couldn't see them regularly until I got back. Guess what, ghost town when I got back. I had them at my house, they are obviously interested but I'm some weird stupid way that only makes sense in my mind, I decided not to bang them on the spot as they were definitely open for business.
It occurred to me later that I had just given them 2 weeks to do better than me and apparently they did. Once consolation is that I did see one of them months later on seeking again and we did end up in a 9 mo arrangement but the one that got away was an absolute stunner. I hate myself to this day for letting her slip out of my fingers.
This, especially with women who log in once every few months. If she ever logs back on at all. I've seen quite a few who would I have absolutely loved to keep around and they haven't been on in months or years.
FilthyBeaver
12-19-24, 05:00
So a few months back before trip to Poland I signed up for GBC again. I have a very detailed post from my last outing earlier this year. GBC is a sugaring site primarily for Polish girls but there are some stray Germany and Czechs if you're looking close to the border. I didn't re-read my previous post but I suspect the content is roughly equivalent as we're my results.
1) They only recently started taking credit cards again. When I wanted to sign up they would only deal in transfers from a polish bank. Through some ingenious sleuthing and a very helpful ISG menber, I sent him to some money and he opened an account for me. Shout-out mate.
2) The place is crawling with thin to super thin Slavic dolls. IMO the hottest on the planet in looks and just below north west Thai women as a total package (looks and attitude).
3) The place is every bit of a slog as Seeking with the added fun of a language barrier sometimes. I go for early to mid 20's and they all speak and write very good English. I'd say I get a reply about 10% of the time, 5% of those turn into an actual conversation that doesn't involve what I'm prepared to give them and about half of those I actually want to see once I get a pic from them.
4) Catfishing is the norm. Do not believe a single pic you see on the site or a picture they dm you. Insist they send you a pic standing next to some mundane house appliance or multiple fingers held you so you know you're not getting shafted. Serious girls won't care, pros and scammers will be insulted and tell you to fuck off.
5) The serious civies have always asked me to name an amount after we've chatted for a while and established a repoir. I've never been turned down on what I offered. That said, I pay what I pay at home, or almost with currency conversion. I don't care because I'd be paying it at home anyway. I don't go to eastern Europe to bargain in pussy, I go because I love the look of slavic girls. Any teenager from the 80's and early 90's remembers all the supermodels from that time period. Guess what? They're made here! 5'6" 110 lbs is the rule rather than exception, even if their lying theres plenty of margin for her to be extremely hot. The pros will always throw out a number first, generally 500 euros+. I don't do escorts or pros.
6) I generally don't post specifics about dates or girls but I chatted up several, found one I really liked and will probably spend the whole or most of my 12 days with her. Last year I had backups and a back up to a backup in Krakow but I don't feel the need to do that this year because I have a winner early on. I do have two backups for her from before I met her but as long as she shows up the first date I'll ditch the other two. Also have a girl in a remote part of the country with some interesting siteseeing so I'll hook up with her once the goodbyes have been said with girl 1.
7) don't sign up too early. Made the mistake last year and was too stupid not to this year. Nobody takes you seriously more than a month out, maybe two weeks or less. They don't want to waste their time talking to someone to have him disappear. I get it. Next time I'll sign up for a min month membership because I get more action in the last two weeks than the prior 10 weeks combined. There is a gold membership that allows you to contact "model" profiles. Never felt the need to do that. Platinum wmhascworked fine for me.
So in short, the place is still a good mine and just like a gold mine it's a fuck ton of work to get a nugget of any value. Only you can determine if it's worth it to you. For me it's an unequivocal yes!
Happy hunting boys. I may post some exploits later.
AmericanPi
12-19-24, 15:47
3) The place is every bit of a slog as Seeking with the added fun of a language barrier sometimes. I go for early to mid 20's and they all speak and write very good English. I'd say I get a reply about 10% of the time, 5% of those turn into an actual conversation that doesn't involve what I'm prepared to give them and about half of those I actually want to see once I get a pic from them.
4) Catfishing is the norm. Do not believe a single pic you see on the site or a picture they dm you. Insist they send you a pic standing next to some mundane house appliance or multiple fingers held you so you know you're not getting shafted. Serious girls won't care, pros and scammers will be insulted and tell you to fuck off..Ah so you made it out there!
Hope you have more luck than I did. I'm used to going to places where I can stack girls on different days. Poland for me was a slog just trying to get one girl worth the effort. There just isn't a huge sugar culture there.
Your approach of bagging one winner for 12 days might be the super smart play. Well done.
Keep sharing your exploits dude. Eager readers want to hear.
AmericanPi
12-19-24, 15:50
No, they still have them. But generally only display them AFTER your membership expires, in an effort to get you to rejoin.I wonder if only certain people get them. My membership has been expired for like 3 months. I have a stack of 90 dollar prepaid cards I have for this purpose and now I can't use them. I used to google promo codes and use the main one and now that doesn't work anymore.
The very desirable ones are snatched up quick. .... They came to my gorgeous house, saw my car, saw I was legit, we discussed terms with the only caveat being I couldn't see them regularly until I got back. ... I had them at my house, they are obviously interested but I'm some weird stupid way that only makes sense in my mind, I decided not to bang them on the spot as they were definitely open for business.
If you have a gorgeous house they saw I am sure their fuck price quoted to you doubled.
So a few months back before trip to Poland I signed up for GBC again. I have a very detailed post from my last outing earlier this year. GBC is a sugaring site primarily for Polish girls but there are some stray Germany and Czechs if you're looking close to the border. I didn't re-read my previous post but I suspect the content is roughly equivalent as we're my results.
1) They only recently started taking credit cards again. When I wanted to sign up they would only deal in transfers from a polish bank. Through some ingenious sleuthing and a very helpful ISG menber, I sent him to some money and he opened an account for me. Shout-out mate..I scored there too via seeking and luckily via reddit also. Awesome looks and for 1000 euro they stay for entire weekend.
How much you are splurging on her per day or entire trip .
WaltoDerri
12-20-24, 17:39
How much do you pay at home?
So a few months back before trip to Poland I signed up for GBC again. I have a very detailed post from my last outing earlier this year. GBC is a sugaring site primarily for Polish girls but there are some stray Germany and Czechs if you're looking close to the border. I didn't re-read my previous post but I suspect the content is roughly equivalent as we're my results.
1) They only recently started taking credit cards again. When I wanted to sign up they would only deal in transfers from a polish bank. Through some ingenious sleuthing and a very helpful ISG menber, I sent him to some money and he opened an account for me. Shout-out mate.
2) The place is crawling with thin to super thin Slavic dolls. IMO the hottest on the planet in looks and just below north west Thai women as a total package (looks and attitude).
3) The place is every bit of a slog as Seeking with the added fun of a language barrier sometimes. I go for early to mid 20's and they all speak and write very good English. I'd say I get a reply about 10% of the time, 5% of those turn into an actual conversation that doesn't involve what I'm prepared to give them and about half of those I actually want to see once I get a pic from them.
4) Catfishing is the norm. Do not believe a single pic you see on the site or a picture they dm you. Insist they send you a pic standing next to some mundane house appliance or multiple fingers held you so you know you're not getting shafted. Serious girls won't care, pros and scammers will be insulted and tell you to fuck off.
5) The serious civies have always asked me to name an amount after we've chatted for a while and established a repoir. I've never been turned down on what I offered. That said, I pay what I pay at home, or almost with currency conversion. I don't care because I'd be paying it at home anyway. I don't go to eastern Europe to bargain in pussy, I go because I love the look of slavic girls. Any teenager from the 80's and early 90's remembers all the supermodels from that time period. Guess what? They're made here! 5'6" 110 lbs is the rule rather than exception, even if their lying theres plenty of margin for her to be extremely hot. The pros will always throw out a number first, generally 500 euros+. I don't do escorts or pros..
WaltoDerri
12-20-24, 17:41
No, they still have them. But generally only display them AFTER your membership expires, in an effort to get you to rejoin.It seems the offers only come via email or a pop up advertisement that shows every now and again. Even when I click, the discount did not apply as they usually do. I emailed support and have yet to receive a response as I ended up being charged a full amount. At the very least I found a local cutie who looked even better in person and was so into it that she spent the night and I got 2 rounds out of her. Guess I'm ending the year on a good note.
TropicanGeorge
12-20-24, 21:36
You found the BA girl on SA? In BA I've had good luck with the XP sites, never really got around to trying SA. It would be great if there were an active Argentina forum to share info.
Last day of a 5 week trip, started in BA and ending in SP.
I only had 1 girl in BA because I found a gem on the first date.
Guili, 33 why. O fake blonde, all natural tits. I kept going back to her because I felt the price was fair a one hundred dollar bill for 2 hours.
She does BBBJ, bb anal BUT covered in pussy, afraid of babies. She also does CIM, great attitude, does golden showers too, not on her face. Saw her five times in three weeks, will probably fly her somewhere to meet for vacation.
I went to Rio but did not use seeking. Then I went on to SP, have seen 3 ladies here, all in early 30's.
Mary was first, when I asked her how much she wanted. She just said whatever I feel is fair which turns out to be not. The case she wanted four hundred for the full day but I wasn't willing to give her that, so I was planning on giving her two hundred and we agreed on two fifty and then she tried to get another fifty which I denied will not see her again.
The next one is renata who is a thirty two year old attorney all natural, paid $200 usd, totally a traditional date with sex at the end all covered, no anal, speaks perfect English. Fun to be with, but sex was not worth it. If I could convince her that I was s. T. the free and away to figure out how she could not worry about getting pregnant. She might end up going bareback.
Last night saw Cris, another thirty something professional that speaks perfect english this one did everything bare including CIM.
In s p I might have paid a little bit more, but it was worth it for me.
FilthyBeaver
12-21-24, 03:37
The serious ones want to know a number before they waste their time meeting you. They commit long term as soon as they see you have the means.
If you have a gorgeous house they saw I am sure their fuck price quoted to you doubled.
FilthyBeaver
12-21-24, 03:50
That sounds about right but as everything else in life, it depends. 1 kusd for 3 to 4 days is hard to turn down by a student. I was quoted 1 k zl ($250) by a second or third teir girl by looks, not interested. I generally say something to the effect of "I don't like to set expectations because someone almost always ends up disappointed but I usually provide x for a dinner date or sightseeing and if we head back to my place there would be something extra, maybe 2 x" works a lot because they don't want to commit to bedding some fat slob they've known for 5 min once they've met you.
The direct answer to your question is somewhere between 1500 and 300 usd depending on 1) how hot they are, 2) our vibe and personality connection, 3) how horny I am, 4) if I see long term potential and want to impress her and 5) when I'm on a trip and behind on my self imposed pussy quotient.
I scored there too via seeking and luckily via reddit also. Awesome looks and for 1000 euro they stay for entire weekend.
How much you are splurging on her per day or entire trip .
NoBuglyFitches
12-21-24, 16:34
... I wonder how expensive would be seeking thing in Zurich? ... Thanks in advance for any inputs.I found Zurich to be among the most expensive anywhere. 1 k euro ask. Selection is limited. This was 2 years ago.
NoBuglyFitches
12-21-24, 16:48
In BA I've had good luck with the XP sites, never really got around to trying SA. It would be great if there were an active Argentina forum to share info.Which XP site did you use: ArgentinaXP? EscortsXP?
SA was ok for me in BAires. 200-300 usd, 19-24 yo, mostly non-pros, good energetic sex.
DwayneJohnson
12-21-24, 16:58
I found Zurich to be among the most expensive anywhere. 1 k euro ask. Selection is limited. This was 2 years ago.Thanks. Selection seems better than Nordic region on just window shopping.
FilthyBeaver
12-22-24, 09:35
I hit the absolute freaking jackpot. 5'8" 115. Total stunner. I'm re-reading our dms to try to figure out how it happened but I'm at a total loss. It started horribly, she said she didn't speak English, only wanted to meet for sex (deal-breaker for me as I like dates) zero commitment until I rolled into her town and proposed a day. No mention of money at all. Every one of those is a red flag for a no show but she showed and blew my doors off. Total Slavic babe if I've ever seen one and I consider myself a connoisseur.
Night 1 was wine, tons of talking (English is more than passible if not fully proficient, she's just a little self conscious). Mind blowing sex.
Night 2 was more wine and talking, mind blowing sex, and another 6 hrs of talking with maybe 2 hrs of sleep in between. Plus discussions about meeting for activities in town and staying together for the rest of my trip. I must have been a very good boy this year because Santa has done me a total solid. All the BS I went through to meet her was 1000% worth it. Don't ever give up, it is very possible to bat out of your league, I am exhibit A.
Merry Christmas boys, mine certainly will be. Nothing better than clicking with someone half your age that everybody stares at when you're walking together.
FB.
Ah so you made it out there!
Hope you have more luck than I did. I'm used to going to places where I can stack girls on different days. Poland for me was a slog just trying to get one girl worth the effort. There just isn't a huge sugar culture there.
Your approach of bagging one winner for 12 days might be the super smart play. Well done.
Keep sharing your exploits dude. Eager readers want to hear.
NeilGeorge
12-25-24, 15:25
Just met a 19 year old girl last night who had been told "by a doctor that he would pay her $800 each meeting". So she thought $800 was her value. Of course he lived an hour + away and I asked if they had met in person and she did not answer.
She was slim and dark skinned, I had offered her $250 and that is my starting point. Most women want to get a $$ amount from us before they will agree to meet, and it probably is best not to respond, since its like renting an apartment you have not even seen in person. Most of these women are just flattering themselves and want the highest amount of money without any connection. Wondering what you guys say to women who want to know "if we are on the same page" "so we do not waste each others time".
She looked amazing, slim and pretty in person. A black barbie doll in person. Of course she was a real pain in the ass, constant whiner and complainer. After dinner I took her to my home and tried to fuck her but she complained she was tired and wanted a nap, promised to have sex at 2 am. I woke her up at 2 am and she came to my bed and took her clothes off, but was a constant complainer in bed. I did get Mr. Happy wet, but her attitude was bad and I did not cum. I told her I would take her home and swing by the ATM for her 250. Fortunately the ATM denied my withdrawal, I had already taken out my withdrawal limit that day! So I let her view the screen and took her home. Will never see that whiner again, thank God.
Normally I try not to respond with any $$ amount, however most girls are relentless in wanting to know what I offer based only upon a few photos, which may not be current or accurate, and their profile. I say I do not know until I meet them in a restaurant, because there are fake photos and old photo of slim when fat, and I must see if we like each other / feel a connection. But some are just trying to screen out the Cheap Charlies and go for the highest bidder, who in reality may try to down price after meeting. Often they try to pick the restaurant and pick an expensive restaurant to see if $$$ is there for their taking. Women are conniving and want the most money while putting out the least, they are not stupid.
FilthyBeaver
12-26-24, 00:37
I would have cut it at the first whine. I pay them so I don't have ro listen to that shit. And leave.
Just met a 19 year old girl last night who had been told "by a doctor that he would pay her $800 each meeting". So she thought $800 was her value. Of course he lived an hour + away and I asked if they had met in person and she did not answer.
She was slim and dark skinned, I had offered her $250 and that is my starting point. Most women want to get a $$ amount from us before they will agree to meet, and it probably is best not to respond, since its like renting an apartment you have not even seen in person. Most of these women are just flattering themselves and want the highest amount of money without any connection. Wondering what you guys say to women who want to know "if we are on the same page" "so we do not waste each others time".
She looked amazing, slim and pretty in person. A black barbie doll in person. Of course she was a real pain in the ass, constant whiner and complainer. After dinner I took her to my home and tried to fuck her but she complained she was tired and wanted a nap, promised to have sex at 2 am. I woke her up at 2 am and she came to my bed and took her clothes off, but was a constant complainer in bed. I did get Mr. Happy wet, but her attitude was bad and I did not cum. I told her I would take her home and swing by the ATM for her 250. Fortunately the ATM denied my withdrawal, I had already taken out my withdrawal limit that day! So I let her view the screen and took her home. Will never see that whiner again, thank God.
Normally I try not to respond with any $$ amount, however most girls are relentless in wanting to know what I offer based only upon a few photos, which may not be current or accurate, and their profile. I say I do not know until I meet them in a restaurant, because there are fake photos and old photo of slim when fat, and I must see if we like each other / feel a connection. But some are just trying to screen out the Cheap Charlies and go for the highest bidder, who in reality may try to down price after meeting. Often they try to pick the restaurant and pick an expensive restaurant to see if $$$ is there for their taking. Women are conniving and want the most money while putting out the least, they are not stupid.
VanessasClient
12-26-24, 00:37
Just met a 19 year old girl last night who had been told "by a doctor that he would pay her $800 each meeting". So she thought $800 was her value. Of course he lived an hour + away and I asked if they had met in person and she did not answer.
She was slim and dark skinned, I had offered her $250 and that is my starting point. Most women want to get a $$ amount from us before they will agree to meet, and it probably is best not to respond, since its like renting an apartment you have not even seen in person. Most of these women are just flattering themselves and want the highest amount of money without any connection. Wondering what you guys say to women who want to know "if we are on the same page" "so we do not waste each others time".
She looked amazing, slim and pretty in person. A black barbie doll in person. Of course she was a real pain in the ass, constant whiner and complainer. After dinner I took her to my home and tried to fuck her but she complained she was tired and wanted a nap, promised to have sex at 2 am. I woke her up at 2 am and she came to my bed and took her clothes off, but was a constant complainer in bed. I did get Mr. Happy wet, but her attitude was bad and I did not cum. I told her I would take her home and swing by the ATM for her 250. Fortunately the ATM denied my withdrawal, I had already taken out my withdrawal limit that day! So I let her view the screen and took her home. Will never see that whiner again, thank God.
Normally I try not to respond with any $$ amount, however most girls are relentless in wanting to know what I offer based only upon a few photos, which may not be current or accurate, and their profile. I say I do not know until I meet them in a restaurant, because there are fake photos and old photo of slim when fat, and I must see if we like each other / feel a connection. But some are just trying to screen out the Cheap Charlies and go for the highest bidder, who in reality may try to down price after meeting. Often they try to pick the restaurant and pick an expensive restaurant to see if $$$ is there for their taking. Women are conniving and want the most money while putting out the least, they are not stupid.So she didn't get paid the agreed amount, and she knows your address? Sounds like a high risk situation. Just out of curiosity, how long was it between the time she fell asleep and 2 AM?
On a slightly unrelated note, a psychologist recent published a book called "The Value of Others. " While not everything he describes can be cited in scientific studies, much of it can be proven by 1st hand experience. He makes the assertion that essentially by nature, all women have prostitute tendencies, and the only thing that makes street hookers different is that they do not necessarily desire commitment from a particular man. And men in turn trade resources for sexual opportunity. And the only aspect "ethical society" concurs with him, is that there's nothing wrong with a man offering a lifetime commitment to a specific woman. And all "moralist" attempt to deny that women trade sex for money in some capacity, even if it is under the guise of being less direct.
While I don't agree with the entire book, I agree with much of it. Look at biology. Even if you did happen to be an exception to the rule. Let's say you were one of those rare women who genetics meant you were born more muscular and had more stamina than most men of the tribe. Even if that were true, would it really make sense for you to be running around the jungle trying to shoot arrows at monkeys if you were 6 months pregnant? We all know that a huge belly and morning sickness are not conducive to hunting in the jungle while trying to wield a bow! And even if you were not pregnant, a quarter of the month you are going to be on your menstrual cycle, which means you can be tracked in the forest by potential predators due to smell of your blood. And what happens after birth? You are sitting by the camp fire, breast feeding your baby. Does this really sound like the better of the 2 genders to pick up a weapon and go out to accomplish physical tasks? If you believe that women are more suited to raising a child, then it's hard to argue with his point. The men are the ones who bring the meat back to the family, and they are the ones who request sex.
But now we live in the modern era. And I'd be the first person to say that the church / religious extremist were the ones who originally vilified prostitution centuries ago, and the general public was never able to refute that vilification. Even if we live in 2025, what happens to the ambitious woman who heads to a University when she is 20? Okay, maybe she's graduated by the time she is 30, probably with a lot of student debt. And maybe by 35 she is established with her career. Okay, and how does the 35 year old compete with the 19 year old girl in terms of beauty and fertility? Whereas the reserve is much easier to accomplish. A woman can always go back to school and advance her professional life when she is 40, but it's too late to turn back the physical clock at this point, which is what men desire. But any person or group out there who preaches to never judge a book by its cover is always going to attempt to downplay all this, without looking at the facts.
I'm not saying that "feminists" are wrong, or that women should go back to being housewives. I'm just saying he makes some very interesting points. I'd say it's a good read / listen if you're interested in the unpopular opinion about the modern dating market.
So she didn't get paid the agreed amount, and she knows your address? Sounds like a high risk situation. Just out of curiosity, how long was it between the time she fell asleep and 2 AM?
On a slightly unrelated note, a psychologist recent published a book called "The Value of Others. " While not everything he describes can be cited in scientific studies, much of it can be proven by 1st hand experience. He makes the assertion that essentially by nature, all women have prostitute tendencies, and the only thing that makes street hookers different is that they do not necessarily desire commitment from a particular man. And men in turn trade resources for sexual opportunity. And the only aspect "ethical society" concurs with him, is that there's nothing wrong with a man offering a lifetime commitment to a specific woman. And all "moralist" attempt to deny that women trade sex for money in some capacity, even if it is under the guise of being less direct.
While I don't agree with the entire book, I agree with much of it. Look at biology. Even if you did happen to be an exception to the rule. Let's say you were one of those rare women who genetics meant you were born more muscular and had more stamina than most men of the tribe. Even if that were true, would it really make sense for you to be running around the jungle trying to shoot arrows at monkeys if you were 6 months pregnant? We all know that a huge belly and morning sickness are not conducive to hunting in the jungle while trying to wield a bow! And even if you were not pregnant, a quarter of the month you are going to be on your menstrual cycle, which means you can be tracked in the forest by potential predators due to smell of your blood. And what happens after birth? You are sitting by the camp fire, breast feeding your baby. Does this really sound like the better of the 2 genders to pick up a weapon and go out to accomplish physical tasks? If you believe that women are more suited to raising a child, then it's hard to argue with his point. The men are the ones who bring the meat back to the family, and they are the ones who request sex.
But now we live in the modern era. And I'd be the first person to say that the church / religious extremist were the ones who originally vilified prostitution centuries ago, and the general public was never able to refute that vilification. Even if we live in 2025, what happens to the ambitious woman who heads to a University when she is 20? Okay, maybe she's graduated by the time she is 30, probably with a lot of student debt. And maybe by 35 she is established with her career. Okay, and how does the 35 year old compete with the 19 year old girl in terms of beauty and fertility? Whereas the reserve is much easier to accomplish. A woman can always go back to school and advance her professional life when she is 40, but it's too late to turn back the physical clock at this point, which is what men desire. But any person or group out there who preaches to never judge a book by its cover is always going to attempt to downplay all this, without looking at the facts.
I'm not saying that "feminists" are wrong, or that women should go back to being housewives. I'm just saying he makes some very interesting points. I'd say it's a good read / listen if you're interested in the unpopular opinion about the modern dating market.So you missed the main point, Vanessa, and now Hal is supposed to answer your off-point questions? Why do your questions matter?
Issue One: If the guy penetrates the woman's oral cavity and vaginal cavity but does not achieve orgasm, that is not "to his completion. " So has the bilateral contract been fulfilled? I would argue, no. Completed sex for the male means orgasm and ejaculation of the cum guz. The woman did not perform sufficiently on her part so Mr. George could get his rocks off. It's called "partial performance", not complete performance. And unless the contract obligation of one party has been fully performed, the wench is not entitled to her financial reward. Now in a court of equity partial performance could be called substantial performance. But you would need to take the matter to a Court of Equity and then all you would get would be an opinion, which could be reversed on appeal. So who gives a shit? The ***** got nothing and Mr. George felt that was sufficient.
Issue Two: Mr. George took her to his house. That suggests he was driving. So the wench probably did not pay attention to the directions or location. Mr. George also took her home. Does he indicate in his play by play that, at any time, he was afraid of the wench? She was only 19 years old and he is a grown ass man. There was no fighting at the ATM nor did the teen queen protest not being paid, it appears she accepted her pennyless reward as her fate for poor performance. So all is well in Dickland. And I would rather read a book like "Mary had a little lamb" than some shrink idiot in an ivory tower who says we should Value Others. The man has to value his Mr. Happy and be true to Dick.
FilthyBeaver
12-26-24, 07:22
So this is for gold bikini club in general followed by a small anecdote on my situation.
I contacted no less than 100 women over the last three months (90 day subscription). Dead space for the first two months easy. Maybe 3 contacts, 1 or 2 semi interesting, none to my standards. T-30 comms start rolling in. Mostly time wasters but discussions get more serious, date, time, expectations, etc. Two weeks in the serious ones start to make contact. Mostly pros which I am not into but hey, it's practice for the big game. T-7 days and less, the non-pros are starting to convince themselves this might work for them. That's when you strike. Propose amazing dinner, drinks, something exclusive or expensive they wouldn't normally go to, basically whatever some 22 yr old dude can't offer her and it's on! Met my trip partner on T-0 (yes, day of and no commitment before that). She is engaging, gorgeous, sweet, and humble in the very best sense of the word. Appreciative of everything. Spent every day together before Christmas and will spend every day together until I leave. This is what sugaring is all about and I blew this one out. Results car better than last year.
I've got one surprise after another once we reach civilization again and she's going to blow her mind. So fucking happy this worked out I don't have the words.
I've said it before, THIS IS WORK, but God damn if it doesn't pay off with lots of patience and a little bank. You only live once and you're not getting any younger so spend it!
NoBuglyFitches
12-27-24, 04:58
Which XP site did you use: ArgentinaXP? EscortsXP?
SA was ok for me in BAires. 200-300 usd, 19-24 yo, mostly non-pros, good energetic sex.To clarify, SA was ok in BAires around two years ago. On a more recent brief visit it seemed worse. Fewer girls, more pros. Having escort site backups would be a good idea.
NoBuglyFitches
12-27-24, 06:54
Thanks. Selection seems better than Nordic region on just window shopping.Selection in Zurich might be worse than it looks because many girls are not local, based on login location.
Re Nordic, I only did sugar dating there once. Super hot profiles were scams, and I mean elaborate multiday scams, even with video calls. Amazing, actually! There were a few average looking Scandi girls, and they were picky, expensive and not easy to meet. I only met one. Drinks felt like a real date in that if I said the wrong thing, she would've left because she didn't really need the money. A Tinder element to it. Sex was very good.
NoBuglyFitches
12-27-24, 07:02
So this is for gold bikini club in general I'm happy for you! Report would be more useful for us with some details. Good bars, lounges and restaurants for dates in Warsaw, Krakow etc? How much are you paying per day and approximately how old is she? How is gold bikini better than SA?
FilthyBeaver
12-27-24, 10:11
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michelin-starred_restaurants_in_Poland
Eaten at 5, you want to impress a 24 yr old, this is a no brainer. Rozbrat 20 is by far my favorite. But there are fine tasting menus all over the country without the stars. Not at all hard to find. One in Krakow (not on this list) was excessively long and I said something to the maitre'd) but no complaints orherwise. We've discussed finding some rooftop bars but as we're not in her city we've decided that coming back to bone is a far better use of our time plus I'm old enough now that alcohol can be a real drag on little beaver if I'm not careful.
You probably won't believe me but price rarely comes up with a civie. They usually ask me to propose a number and I've never been turned down. 500 is my usual, subject to vibe and my spidey uncertainty sense. This girl has never asked for anything I just give it to her and not everyday but I'd say we spend at least 4-500/ day on activities, food, shopping, whatever. I did rent a hell of a car that she loves driving and costs us 100/ day to fill up so that's in that number too.
Again, this isn't rocket science. Be a nice guy, polite, don't bring up whatever fucked up kinks you have in the first 3 minutes, be willing to spend money, even better if it's stuff you like to do anyway and I swear you will never "date" someone anywhere near your age ever again.
I'm happy for you! Report would be more useful for us with some details. Good bars, lounges and restaurants for dates in Warsaw, Krakow etc? How much are you paying per day and approximately how old is she? How is gold bikini better than SA?
AmericanPi
12-27-24, 20:26
Lot to unpack here.
First, in the seeking game, black chicks, go for less. I'm not saying that's how it should be. I'm sure there's some reason it's tied to systemic racism and what not. But it's true. And it's also true that the lighter skinned the girls, the more she is cocoa than dark chocolate, the more she can command. 800 is a lot for a black chick.
Second, taking a girl to your home is a bad idea. As I've said many times on here, the girls who end up on the site or not the most normal. Many are one trigger away from a psychotic move. That was just not smart.
Third, someone saying they are tired, but wake me up at 2 AM for sex is not a red flag. It's like a three alarm fire going off. Nothing good will come from that.
Just met a 19 year old girl last night who had been told "by a doctor that he would pay her $800 each meeting". So she thought $800 was her value. Of course he lived an hour + away and I asked if they had met in person and she did not answer.
She was slim and dark skinned, I had offered her $250 and that is my starting point. Most women want to get a $$ amount from us before they will agree to meet, and it probably is best not to respond, since its like renting an apartment you have not even seen in person. Most of these women are just flattering themselves and want the highest amount of money without any connection. Wondering what you guys say to women who want to know "if we are on the same page" "so we do not waste each others time".
She looked amazing, slim and pretty in person. A black barbie doll in person. Of course she was a real pain in the ass, constant whiner and complainer..
Steve 9696
12-27-24, 21:35
Lot to unpack here.
First, in the seeking game, black chicks, go for less. I'm not saying that's how it should be. I'm sure there's some reason it's tied to systemic racism and what not. But it's true. And it's also true that the lighter skinned the girls, the more she is cocoa than dark chocolate, the more she can command. 800 is a lot for a black chick.
Second, taking a girl to your home is a bad idea. As I've said many times on here, the girls who end up on the site or not the most normal. Many are one trigger away from a psychotic move. That was just not smart.
Third, someone saying they are tired, but wake me up at 2 AM for sex is not a red flag. It's like a three alarm fire going off. Nothing good will come from that.Fourth. Sticking your dick in any orifice and then not paying her is not cool IMO. Of course not full price but damn. That’s cold.
Steve 9696
12-27-24, 21:47
Thanks for the great reports FB. I love reading your antics along with Lshoomer, Pi, and other regulars. Seems like some guys just bop in here to editorialize or troll with controversial opinions. A shout out to the real Seeking patriots. Out there running the game, fucking the hotties, and bringing back the stories!
Thanks for the great reports FB. I love reading your antics along with Lshoomer, Pi, and other regulars. Seems like some guys just bop in here to editorialize or troll with controversial opinions. A shout out to the real Seeking patriots. Out there running the game, fucking the hotties, and bringing back the stories!Well said, I'm not here for the politics either. I want actionable information or at least a good story (with pictures!
Well this being the sugar section, maybe not pictures.
So out of curiosity, I'm on Seeking and SDM, and I'm finding there are usually a lot of new ladies (or at least aren't hanging around for long) on these sites this month. Anybody finding the same?
Personally I found a lot of new faces on all though November, but December has been kind of slow.
To clarify, SA was ok in BAires around two years ago. On a more recent brief visit it seemed worse. Fewer girls, more pros. Having escort site backups would be a good idea.Just returned from BA and it was an absolute goldmine for me. Real GND hotties, 21-24 yrs old, extremely friendly and cheerful and an all round great time, 120-150 USD per meet, with meets being quite easy to set up. I was really surprised by the warmth and friendliness of Argentines in general. Great city.
FilthyBeaver
12-28-24, 04:29
Feedback from a master like you is the highest form of compliment here. I couldn't care less what others pay, don't pay, lie, don't lie about their antics. I'm not the creative Penthouse forum author that you are but when I say I have incredible sex and she blows my doors off you can fill in your own 2 or 3 pager. I don't know how the sugaring world was surviving before the internet but I am damn glad I'm this age, at this time, in this world. To think we be collapsing into each other's arms every night for a week plus with no breath, sore and aching muscles and a grin from ear to ear is just not possible to put into words. This girl is quite literally half my age and a total stunner who knows it and owns it. So much fun in public.
And to those of you that want to learn, practice, practice, practice. Plenty of us have given actionable game plans and huge head starts. It costs money and common sense. That's it. Haters go make some more money and come back when you can beat out a Steve story. I'm no catch, fit but short, some ethnic features that some Caucasian girls wouldn't look at twice, graying since my twenties but salt and pepper on top with a bit of receding receding hairline these days and I walk into a very high end sushi place most if you would recognize the other day and the whole place (including the entire open kitchen staff) stops dead in it's tracks watching us walk through the entire restaurant all the way to the very back. And sit not across from each other but side by side. Those that judge get a well placed eye rub with my middle finger, those that smile get a wink and maybe a nod. Great fuckin fun! I do dress appropriately, stay in the nicest hotels and make damn sure she knows we can do just about whatever we want. The power is right here, you have them as soon as they see this stuff. You don't even have to open your mouth.
I can't imagine doing any better than this in the future so I'm claiming expert status now. All the bitching & whinning about how much work sugaring is has been damn worth the time.
Also, as we've gotten closer I've picked up a few tools of the trade and what goes through the mind of a mindblowingly hot girl looking for some sugar. So as to not give away my exactly location or out myself, I will probably post them in a few months.
Thanks for the great reports FB. I love reading your antics along with Lshoomer, Pi, and other regulars. Seems like some guys just bop in here to editorialize or troll with controversial opinions. A shout out to the real Seeking patriots. Out there running the game, fucking the hotties, and bringing back the stories!
FilthyBeaver
12-28-24, 04:39
The desirable ones get sniped by whales or snipe themselves and they're off the market quick. It's happened to all of us whether we know it or not. I had a trophy of a girl disappear and reappear about 9 months later at which time I found out that she was hands down the best lay in my life. Our anatomical features complimented each other perfectly.
The few weeks before Christmas is usually the best because they're looking for Christmas money to spent on their friends and family. I'd have to know a lot more to guess at why your situation was untenable.
That said, I am very disappointed with seeking quality these days. Tattoos, nose piercings that make them look like the Borden cow (yes I'm that old), grungy looks that you just can't take on an upper class date).
Well said, I'm not here for the politics either. I want actionable information or at least a good story (with pictures!
Well this being the sugar section, maybe not pictures.
So out of curiosity, I'm on Seeking and SDM, and I'm finding there are usually a lot of new ladies (or at least aren't hanging around for long) on these sites this month. Anybody finding the same?
Personally I found a lot of new faces on all though November, but December has been kind of slow.
Try SugarDaddyMeet.com (https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/?tid=af100011222-m) its much cheaper and about the same, and they do not kick you off for negotiating price on the site.
Yeah but how's the database? Are there a lot of girls who will join Seeking but not SDM?It's smaller. Seeking is the name brand for sugar dating and the best choice if you go outside North America. That said, many girls post on both Seeking and SDM; some just post on one.
Besides the cost, the other advantage SDM has is they're fine with you talking about PPM or money matters with the girls.
The problem Seeking has is its high profile, so they want to be really careful the kinds of people who went after Backpage a few years ago don't look in their direction. SDM is (I think) based in Canada and keeps a lower profile. I hope!
AmericanPi
12-28-24, 05:53
Haters go make some more money and come back when you can beat out a Steve story.
. All the bitching & whinning about how much work sugaring is has been damn worth the time.
This. Totally.
If you would have told me, this would be what I would be doing my 40's I'the never believe you. Never. Banging girls I was too old to bang when I left college? No way.
This little hobby probably costs me 5 a year in allowance and 20 all in with these fake little work trips that I take. And there is very little I would change about it. It's honestly the best money I spent. It directly accrues to to my happiness. And if I did it more It probably wouldn't be aa special. And if I did regular dating girls my age I'the be lusting after the 23 year old. This is just plain good for me.
NapataJohn
12-28-24, 11:39
It's smaller.!Other great thing is fewer obvious bots and scammers on SDM.
NoBuglyFitches
12-28-24, 13:17
told "by a doctor that he would pay her $800 each meeting". So she thought $800 was her value. .
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Wondering what you guys say to women who want to know "if we are on the same page" "so we do not waste each others time".
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she complained she was tired and wanted a nap
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Fortunately the ATM denied my withdrawal
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There possibly was no doctor, it's just her way to ask for 800.
On the other hand, I once met a girl who wanted approx 3 k, converted to usd. Eventually we met for around 300 because she had bills due. But to meet again, she wouldn't go below 1. 2 k. Said she'd only had one sugar date and that rich old guy did pay her $3 k. Given the location and the girl's style, I think she was telling the truth.
If I hear "on the same page" or any similar language, I tend to block and ghost on the spot. These are professional SBs, which feel like escorts except sex is worse.
As soon as she complained, I would have offered her a ride home, without ppm of course. If a new girl is in my room at night, whether sugar or vanilla, and she isn't in the mood, I usually ask her to leave and maybe meet another day.
In your place, I would have still venmo'ed her something. 5 minutes of lame sex at 2 am doesn't deserve the full ppm but zero would feel unfair to me. I've run into this too, also with a Black girl, I regret to mention. They ask to get room service, then "get tired" and try to short you on sex. Maybe they've all read that Hoe Tactics book. Girls who play this game also tend to ask for their money upfront, in which case I offer and prefer to send them home right away.
Anyone had any relatively recent experiences using Seeking in Brazil? I'm currently talking to a girl from So Paulo just by chance on the site. It might be nice to meet her when I'm down next (early 2025) if she proves to be "real" and not just another scammer.
Steve 9696
12-28-24, 15:17
I absolutely adore the Seeking game, despite all its flaws. It is totally worth the trouble. But I also enjoy the girl buffet and picking from many hotties at a club and enjoying time together. This trip to Brazil was the best of my entire girls-career, with 15 girls in 8 days, including an amazing Seeking "girlfriend" who I found in 2023 and have repeated four times with including traveling her.
Feel free to skip this slightly OT read if it's not your thing but I would suggest any man with a dick find his way to Brazil. It truly cannot be beat for passionate women and a target rich environment.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2971446&viewfull=1#post2971446.
NoBuglyFitches
12-28-24, 15:56
... I usually provide x for a dinner date or sightseeing and if we head back to my place there would be something extra, maybe 2 x ...
Thanks for being so candid about your looks, age etc in your earlier post: lots of respect to guys who succeed in using SA to date out of their league.
I didn't quite understand what you said above. Do you mean you offer money for a dinner date or sightseeing only, ie for platonic dates? I can see how this would filter out escorts, who want to make $250 / HR and don't mind the sex part. But won't this offer attract girls who just want to collect the $250 and have no intention of being intimate with you? How exactly does it work: you do dinner or a castle tour, then you give her $250, and then you find out if she wants to head back to your place? I consistently block-ghost girls who ask for such a setup. Your style is very different than mine so I'd like to learn.
Any tips on this fake work trip?
One area I had been struggling with. I am probably being too careful but I am also aware I can do more hotties if I manage to travel, without evoking suspicion, more often.
This. Totally.
If you would have told me, this would be what I would be doing my 40's I'the never believe you. Never. Banging girls I was too old to bang when I left college? No way.
This little hobby probably costs me 5 a year in allowance and 20 all in with these fake little work trips that I take. And there is very little I would change about it. It's honestly the best money I spent. It directly accrues to to my happiness. And if I did it more It probably wouldn't be aa special. And if I did regular dating girls my age I'the be lusting after the 23 year old. This is just plain good for me.
Steve 9696
12-28-24, 20:19
Any tips on this fake work trip?
One area I had been struggling with. I am probably being too careful but I am also aware I can do more hotties if I manage to travel, without evoking suspicion, more often.Do you already travel for work? That is prob key. And can U siphon off money to fund the trips without her knowing? Those are the keys. After that you just say you have a trip to xxx and make it happen. Be careful tho about going somewhere different than you say. I have done that a couple times but once it went sideways. Always try to stay as close to the truth as possible.
Another tip is to get away from the company travel system reporting. I used to send her the itinerary straight out of SAP or whatever. But then instead I would send it to myself as rich text and then maybe edit a bit for brevity. Then when I started self funding and booking outside the travel system nothing looked amiss and I could edit little details like number of occupants.
Ps I did the math on self-funded Bangkok, So Paulo, and Europe and it all comes out about the same for a ten day trip. About $5000-6000 USD the way I roll. Yes girls are cheaper in Thailand but not enough to offset the flights. And yes Brasil is cheaper than Europe but not so much at the clubs I go to. FWIW I rank them Brasil, Thailand, Europe. But that wont keep me from going to Europe! Its all good!
AmericanPi
12-28-24, 20:51
Any tips on this fake work trip?
One area I had been struggling with. I am probably being too careful but I am also aware I can do more hotties if I manage to travel, without evoking suspicion, more often.I'll DM you.
NoBuglyFitches
12-29-24, 05:46
Met my trip partner on T-0 (yes, day of and no commitment before that) FB, I got a few more questions for you if I may:
1. Do you adjust your travel plans to visit the most promising contacts? Or stick to your itinerary and tell them eg "I'll be in Krakow on December 15, join me for dinner" and hope it happens?
2. Repeating my earlier question: if you offer sugar purely for dinners and day tours, how do you filter out girls who have no intention of having sex with you and just want to be paid for platonic company?
3. Account type MODELKA (model): does that correspond to the most attractive girls?
4. Is it ok to discuss money in the gold bikini chat, unlike SA?
5. Can you exchange photos in the chat or need to move to whatsapp? Did you post your own photo there?
NoBuglyFitches
12-29-24, 06:00
Anyone had any relatively recent experiences using Seeking in Brazil? I met a girl from SA in SP this year. Pretty straight forward. Asked 1500 iirc, agreed to half that, same day meet. Would have been good but not great by Scandy standards, just happened to have the look that I wanted on that day. Some other girls won't go below 300 usd. Not many scams ime. It's a good place to find a girl who speaks English and maybe a "model. " True non-pros are few.
FilthyBeaver
12-29-24, 09:51
1) First off, I travel for fun. I like history, palaces and castles. I like big regional cities because I can always find something that piques my curious mind. So I book an in and out of country airfare, not necessarily the same airport and get a car for maximum flexibility. Then I'll look at hotels and decide how many days I'll spend in each place. London can be a week, Frankfurt might be a couple days. There is no such thing as a promising contact. Women are women and they'll say one thing today start ovulating tomorrow and you are SOL. Accept it. To mitigate as best I can I try to establish contact and chat her up so she knows, I'm real, have money, and not going to be one of the million flakes that tries to get her for nothing. That works in seeking reasonably ok. In eastern Europe you're just another time waster and lier. I haven't cracked that nut successfully so I get more aggressive with contacts as the trip gets closer. It becomes a straight numbers games. There are VERY few times I've taken a girl out and not had sex. Again, a tasting menu at an expensive restaurant is not something they've ever done and it's just as good as buying them a Mercedes. That said, there are girls I didn't want to bed for whatever reason, attitude chemistry, who knows. I am extremely picky and I can safely say that beside one other member here my standards are impossibly high. I don't want a nut, I want a nut with the hottest girl in the room.
2) if they meet for dinner for money they will have sex. I leave the door open to give myself an out. If she doesn't look like her pics or repulsed me somehow I give her a couple hundred and go home with a clean conscience understanding that she probably needs the 200 more than I do so whatever.
3) Don't know. Only ever had one modal contact me and I wasn't going to pay more to be able to talk to her and get catfished. My guess is they are mostly pros and ask for more that the usually. No thanks to both points from me.
4) Yes but the serious one will be willing to move to telegram or whatsapp fairly quick where they can send you disappearing pics (that buga the holly fuck out of me BTW). I usually dump them when they do that shit.
5) yes, directly from gbc and you can delete it whenever you want as well. I'm not talking profile pics I'm talking private chat pics per your question.
FB, I got a few more questions for you if I may:
1. Do you adjust your travel plans to visit the most promising contacts? Or stick to your itinerary and tell them eg "I'll be in Krakow on December 15, join me for dinner" and hope it happens?
2. Repeating my earlier question: if you offer sugar purely for dinners and day tours, how do you filter out girls who have no intention of having sex with you and just want to be paid for platonic company?
3. Account type MODELKA (model): does that correspond to the most attractive girls?
4. Is it ok to discuss money in the gold bikini chat, unlike SA?
5. Can you exchange photos in the chat or need to move to whatsapp? Did you post your own photo there?
NoBuglyFitches
12-29-24, 17:25
Thank you! Very informative!
FilthyBeaver
12-29-24, 20:03
I need to be clear, I have never and will never offer money to someone for a first meet at home. Without exception, everyone who's ever asked at home and still met after I told them no, I wouldn't have banged with your dick and I don't know you.
Overseas I see things a bit different. Time is money. If you roll in hotel stays and airfare, you're easily in the hole 4-500/ day just for the opportunity to probably be let down (at least at the kinds of hotels I stay at). So I play coy knowing my targets are civies that are trying to convince themselves they're not prostitutes rather than engaging actual pros. BTW and for the record sugar babies are not prostitutes in my book and I don't treat them that way, or anyone for that matter. Also, once they've convinced themselves they can do this they ALL want a long term guy to wash themselves of the psychological stigma. Knowing that I can't offer long term I say something like, "Hey I got a reservation at "insert name of some famous expensive place here" but I don't have a date, interested? A hot civie will jump on that like Shaqs dick. Once they see me aa a normal presentable guy with manners and no pressure to do anything, if I'm feeling it I'll ask them to my room and I've never once been told no. Again it's about what I want and I am impossibly picky.
It's not uncommon for me to shell out 1 k as an opening salvo for food, show, drinks, whatever but if I like them the price is reasonable because I know I don't like most of what else is out there.
Now, to sound like a complete asshole, my last three babies were under 26, all taller than me by several inches, model physique, and the sweetest nicest humble girls you'd ever want. I've convinced myself I have a gift and most of it is common sense and some disposable income. It's not too hard to outsmart a girl half your age and to have some disposable income you need to be reasonably intelligent so at the end of the day it really comes down to persistence (putting up with the considerable bullshit on any dating site) being smart enough to not get caught if you're married I'm not), and common sense.
Class dismissed, good luck and keep us posted. I went to a less popular European country to hopefully meet a few hot girls for dates and sex. Ended seeing 1 with little to no chemistry, the second has followed me around the country for the last 7 days and 4 cities, has asked for nothing and fucks me dry nightly as I stare at the walls wondering how the hell this happened. She is so far past hot in my book I can't describe her and no I will not send pics. Believe me or not, I don't care.
Thanks for being so candid about your looks, age etc in your earlier post: lots of respect to guys who succeed in using SA to date out of their league.
I didn't quite understand what you said above. Do you mean you offer money for a dinner date or sightseeing only, ie for platonic dates? I can see how this would filter out escorts, who want to make $250 / HR and don't mind the sex part. But won't this offer attract girls who just want to collect the $250 and have no intention of being intimate with you? How exactly does it work: you do dinner or a castle tour, then you give her $250, and then you find out if she wants to head back to your place? I consistently block-ghost girls who ask for such a setup. Your style is very different than mine so I'd like to learn.
VanessasClient
12-30-24, 01:41
Anyone had any relatively recent experiences using Seeking in Brazil? I'm currently talking to a girl from So Paulo just by chance on the site. It might be nice to meet her when I'm down next (early 2025) if she proves to be "real" and not just another scammer.Yes, Seeking definitely works in Brazil. I used it earlier this year; you can check out my Floripa post. But, if you are inviting them to your place, you will have to pay for transportation. Rather than sending them money directly, I just suggest sending a car to them from your Uber account. Most of the Brazilians on Seeking are friendly and open, and do not mind chatting with you.
But, I will say things will vary from area to area. Using Seeking in Fortaleza will not be the same as using Seeking in Belo Horizonte.
Probably need to use extra caution in Rio. Good luck.
Yes, Seeking definitely works in Brazil. I used it earlier this year; you can check out my Floripa post. But, if you are inviting them to your place, you will have to pay for transportation. Rather than sending them money directly, I just suggest sending a car to them from your Uber account. Most of the Brazilians on Seeking are friendly and open, and do not mind chatting with you.
But, I will say things will vary from area to area. Using Seeking in Fortaleza will not be the same as using Seeking in Belo Horizonte.
Probably need to use extra caution in Rio. Good luck.And to NoBuglyFitches as well. I was thinking about using it in Curitiba and Florianopolis where the puta opportunities won't be as strong as in Rio and Sampa.
My Seeking membership is about to expire. They offered me 15% off and I didn't bite. Now with a week to go they offered me 25% off. I decided I'm going to go ahead and re-up. But, is a 25% discount as good as it gets on Seeking these days? Should I go ahead and bite now, or hold out for a bit longer? Would appreciate feedback from anyone here with any recent experience regarding this. Thanks in advance.
No, I'm not talking about how long you can keep your dick hard pervs. I'm talking about waiting them out on Seeking until they return. I'm finding the end of the year / start of a new year to be a great time to find girls who have not been on the site for awhile who are coming back looking for new daddies. Talking to someone now who contacted me when I was busy and not on the site. When I finally joined again she was gone, and I thought I had lost the opportunity for good. Well now she's back! Red head with a nice ass! At least four months have probably passed since the first communication between us. We shall see. We shall see!
VanessasClient
12-31-24, 08:56
My Seeking membership is about to expire. They offered me 15% off and I didn't bite. Now with a week to go they offered me 25% off. I decided I'm going to go ahead and re-up. But, is a 25% discount as good as it gets on Seeking these days? Should I go ahead and bite now, or hold out for a bit longer? Would appreciate feedback from anyone here with any recent experience regarding this. Thanks in advance.The highest I've ever seen is 30% If you buy 3 months at a time, they may give you a better rate than month to month. I once asked them if they have a lifetime membership, and they said they do not offer one. Even if they did, it would probably be at least $2,000+ if not higher, would be my guess. Too risky of an investment for a site who has banned male members arbitrarily in the past.
A petite New Girl came over and jumped in bed with me. I noticed under her dress, when she left, the New Girl did not have any panties on. I did not notice any panties were laying in the bed, so I figured she did not wear any over to my place, but I did not totally do a dilligent search around the bed.
Two nights later my Regular girl #3 came over and we went to bed. During sex while doggying her, I noticed a pair of small women's undies alongside my bed. Scared, were these small panties from Regular #3 or from the New Girl? I had no clue.
So I kicked the panties under the bed for the time being. How was I supposed to know which girl they belonged to?? The panties did not have anyone's name written on them. And if I asked Regular girl #3 if they were hers, what if she said "No"? Then I could have alot of explaining to do, that I was fucking multiple girls and they must be from another women.
I left the small women's panties under my bed and waited. I watched my Regular #3 get dressed after sex. Was very relieved when she said she could not find HER panties. So I turned on the lights and went to the other side of the bed and looked at the panties. They were lillac purple in color and matched her bra. Had to be hers, unless it was a coincidence.
I got brave and pulled out the lillac panties from under the bed and sheepishly said, "Are these yours?" Hoping she would say "Yes. " She grabbed them and Yes I was correct! Relief. I did not want to mess up and pull out the panties from New Girl. Women need to put names or labels on their panties!
FilthyBeaver
01-02-25, 04:01
I posted elsewhere but the support on this board can get sketchy at best so not expecting a timely answer. Want to share some extra details (pics) with a very small selection of my Seeking mates but can't figure out ho to send them. My recently posted trip apparently still hasn't ended. Any help, Pi / Steve? The reward and rest of the story is worth the price.
FB.
VanessasClient
01-02-25, 06:52
No, I'm not talking about how long you can keep your dick hard pervs. I'm talking about waiting them out on Seeking until they return. I'm finding the end of the year / start of a new year to be a great time to find girls who have not been on the site for awhile who are coming back looking for new daddies. Talking to someone now who contacted me when I was busy and not on the site. When I finally joined again she was gone, and I thought I had lost the opportunity for good. Well now she's back! Red head with a nice ass! At least four months have probably passed since the first communication between us. We shall see. We shall see!I think many of them come back when either their current arrangement ends / does not work out, or they lose their conventional job or their financial situation changes. But yeah, money for the holidays may be a motivating factor.
FilthyBeaver
01-02-25, 11:19
I also think some of the girls are completely delusional about what they think they may get out of a guy. So maybe they were getting 800 from a 75 yr old and when that ended wanted the same 800 from a 45 yr old. No offense to guys in their 70's but this is not a fair comparison for the most part. I wrote a summary of the 4 or 5 types of girls on seeking a while back. I think that's a comprehensive review of this topic.
I think many of them come back when either their current arrangement ends / does not work out, or they lose their conventional job or their financial situation changes. But yeah, money for the holidays may be a motivating factor.
I think many of them come back when either their current arrangement ends / does not work out, or they lose their conventional job or their financial situation changes. But yeah, money for the holidays may be a motivating factor.I saw where one girl who already had a profile created a new one at the start of the year. I know it's new because I blocked her a few months ago for being a flake, but here I am seeing her showing up again on my new profiles page. She's not new. Just another flake doing the same old bullshit I'm sure!
I also think some of the girls are completely delusional about what they think they may get out of a guy. So maybe they were getting 800 from a 75 yr old and when that ended wanted the same 800 from a 45 yr old. No offense to guys in their 70's but this is not a fair comparison for the most part. I wrote a summary of the 4 or 5 types of girls on seeking a while back. I think that's a comprehensive review of this topic.In my town, the basic going rate for most girls is around $500. If she's older or a little desperate, then I've seen the ask go as low as $300. But the real hotties (you get hard jut looking at them) are pushing for $1,000! I think that's a bit much really.
I have a secret email for these. My long term SBs send pics / videos there.
Let me know if I am part of that select group (Happy to share.
No offense if I am not.
I posted elsewhere but the support on this board can get sketchy at best so not expecting a timely answer. Want to share some extra details (pics) with a very small selection of my Seeking mates but can't figure out ho to send them. My recently posted trip apparently still hasn't ended. Any help, Pi / Steve? The reward and rest of the story is worth the price.
FB.
Steve 9696
01-02-25, 22:52
I posted elsewhere but the support on this board can get sketchy at best so not expecting a timely answer. Want to share some extra details (pics) with a very small selection of my Seeking mates but can't figure out ho to send them. My recently posted trip apparently still hasn't ended. Any help, Pi / Steve? The reward and rest of the story is worth the price.
FB.Check your inbox FB. I sent you contact info.
VanessasClient
01-03-25, 08:22
I also think some of the girls are completely delusional about what they think they may get out of a guy. So maybe they were getting 800 from a 75 yr old and when that ended wanted the same 800 from a 45 yr old. No offense to guys in their 70's but this is not a fair comparison for the most part. I wrote a summary of the 4 or 5 types of girls on seeking a while back. I think that's a comprehensive review of this topic.That may be true, but I don't think they would get out in that case. I think they are absent from the site because they are attached to a specific guy, be he 30 or 80 years old. Or they found another way out that didn't work in the long run. Either way, once the cow's milk runs dry, they have to return, unless they have an alternative. Of course, I think many of the girls play multiple guys at a time, so some of those with more than one sugar daddy may continue to log in.
An ex sugar baby (I moved out of Bangalore) needs some one to pay her 20 k a meet. She can be little difficult to manage and not worth the price. If anyone is still interested do let me know.
An ex sugar baby (I moved out of Bangalore) needs some one to pay her 20 k a meet. She can be little difficult to manage and not worth the price. If anyone is still interested do let me know.With all due respect sir, why would you bring her up if she not worth the price and a little difficult to manage? Who would want such an SB?
I have updated the table with new entries, thank you all for the additions. To all the silent readers: we know you are there. Please consider telling us about your experiences, the setting and how much it set you back.
EUROPE
Austria
Vienna 300 EUR for the Night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952).
Czech Republic
Prague 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 200 EUR for the night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952) 150 - 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2445539&viewfull=1#post2445539).
Germany
Berlin 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 500 EUR for the night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952).
Munich 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?683-Munich&p=1828248&viewfull=1#post1828248).
Netherlands
Amsterdam 200 EUR for a couple of hours. 300 for a whole night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Generally 200 - 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503694&viewfull=1#post2503694).
Poland
Warsaw 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118).
Portugal
Lisbon 150 - 200 EUR for a couple of hours to a whole night, depending on girl (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?) 100 - 200 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2499125&viewfull=1#post2499125).
Russia
Moscow 150 - 300 USD, Stunners from above 200 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503849&viewfull=1#post2503849).
Serbia
Belgrade 50 - 300 EUR - the worst looking on the lower end, playmate class on the high end (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?774-Belgrade&p=2135044&viewfull=1#post2135044).
Spain
Barcelona Full weekend: 300 EUR. Generally 200 - 500 EUR for a weekend. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952) 200 EUR for standard (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503687&viewfull=1#post2503687).
Ukraine
Kiev 250 USD, disputed, several data points lower than that (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2493582&viewfull=1#post2493582) 140 - 180 USD (4000-5000 UAH) (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2497541&viewfull=1#post2497541).
United Kingdom
London 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 350 Sterling (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2411854&viewfull=1#post2411854).
NORTH AMERICA
United States
Atlanta 200 - 350 USD for a solid 6 to 8 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449909&viewfull=1#post2449909).
Austin 400 - 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
Boston 300 - 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2417099&viewfull=1#post2417099).
Chicago Under 300 USD is doable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Denver 200 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118).
Detroit 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Houston 400 - 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
Jacksonville (FL) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449459&viewfull=1#post2449459).
Las Vegas 400 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
LOS Angeles 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167) 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2450228&viewfull=1#post2450228).
Miami 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Milwaukee Under 300 USD is doable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Nashville 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
New York City 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491132&viewfull=1#post2491132) 400 USD second tier, 500 USD first tier (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Philadelphia 200 - 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2444165&viewfull=1#post2444165).
Portland 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2413337&viewfull=1#post2413337).
San Antonio 300 - 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
San Francisco 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491132&viewfull=1#post2491132) 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448844&viewfull=1#post2448844) 300 USD for exchange student (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448831&viewfull=1#post2448831).
Savannah (GA) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449459&viewfull=1#post2449459).
Canada
Montreal 300 CAD (now with revised link, member account of source deleted) (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QaWB7CxlZlwJ:www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144.html%3Fs%3D6cb4edc971ca5ed61f0af1cf65f24f75+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=de).
Niagara Falls 250 - 300 CAD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503912&viewfull=1#post2503912).
Mexico
Cabo San Lucas 2500 MXN (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2510393&viewfull=1#post2510393).
Guadalajara 2000 MXN+ (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?420-Guadalajara&p=2488711&viewfull=1#post2488711).
Mexico City 1500 - 3000 MXN, possibly 4000 MXN for high-end. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2485508&viewfull=1#post2485508).
Monterrey 3000 - 4500 MXN (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503849&viewfull=1#post2503849).
SOUTH AMERICA
Brazil
Sao Paulo 800 Rs for model quality (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448768&viewfull=1#post2448768).
Colombia
Medellin 7-8 girl 100 USD todo la noche, 8.5 - 9 girl 100 - 200 USD all day (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448768&viewfull=1#post2448768) 100 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2419466&viewfull=1#post2419466) 200 - 500k COP (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2480746&viewfull=1#post2480746).
Peru
Cusco 100 USD for whole weekend (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448824&viewfull=1#post2448824).
Lima 100 - 150 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?597-Lima&p=2194339&viewfull=1#post2194339).
AFRICA
Egypt
Cairo 2000 - 7000 EGP | note: prices for private escorts in CAI (college aged girls) run between a mere 1,5 k to 2 k for 2 hours which they have to share with a madame, a rate above 3k should be unreasonable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?882-Egypt&p=2301374&viewfull=1#post2301374).
ASIA
India
Note that many of the allowances referenced below might not sound like a lot to us but often exceed an entire monthly salary in India. Based on several opinions in the different threads, there is ample reason to assume that this has turned a lot of non-pros in to pro SBs. Scoring a gem in large metropolitan areas will require considerable effort. The low amount of profiles is also puzzling me. New Delhi (Radius 80 km): 1 k. Mumbai (Radius 80 km): 800.
Bangalore 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448607&viewfull=1#post2448607).
Delhi 15.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?959-New-Delhi&p=2490364&viewfull=1#post2490364) 8.000 - 30.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?959-New-Delhi&p=2491116&viewfull=1#post2491116).
Mumbai 10.000 INR + (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=1901903&viewfull=1#post1901903).
Pune 15.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=2499115&viewfull=1#post2499115) 40.000 INR for whole night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=2499046&viewfull=1#post2499046).
Japan
Tokyo 300 USD - 90 minutes, likely freelancer (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=1900088&viewfull=1#post1900088).
Singapore
Singapore 500 - 1000 SGD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4020-Seeking-Arrangement&p=2219466&viewfull=1#post2219466).
United Arab Emirates
Dubai Depending on Tier: 400 - 800 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3910-Sugar-Life&p=2381783&viewfull=1#post2381783).
OCEANIA
Australia
Sydney 400 - 500 AUD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-840-p-28.html?).Is this still the going allowance in many countries? I was recently in Germany closer to Netherlands and Belgium. Allowance quoted few hours were 500 For couple of hours. I did meet one for 200 Euros for couple of hours a student but rare to find such. I guess rates almost doubled or I didn't explore much? I didn't know about existence of this subforum will RTTF before my next travel.
Steve 9696
01-03-25, 16:19
Is this still the going allowance in many countries? I was recently in Germany closer to Netherlands and Belgium. Allowance quoted few hours were 500 For couple of hours. I did meet one for 200 Euros for couple of hours a student but rare to find such. I guess rates almost doubled or I didn't explore much? I didn't know about existence of this subforum will RTTF before my next travel.Yeah this list is waaaaay out of date. No way you are getting those prices. Yeah approx double will be close. SB in Western Europe 500 not surprising. You can get 300 in Spain.
The only correct one on the list is Brazil. I think you can still get a nice girl for the evening for 800-1000 R.
VanessasClient
01-04-25, 04:52
Yeah this list is waaaaay out of date. No way you are getting those prices. Yeah approx double will be close. SB in Western Europe 500 not surprising. You can get 300 in Spain.
The only correct one on the list is Brazil. I think you can still get a nice girl for the evening for 800-1000 R.I don't think any of the rates on those tables are accurate today. In Brazil I can get half day or half night (entire afternoon or evening without sleep over) for 600 reais, but I'm good at shopping around. It may depend on the girl's financial situation at the time; ie when is the rent due.
With my established chica, it's usually a 500 USD exchange for a 1 week trip, depending on the destination and how generous she or I are feeling at the time. She's offered as little as 100 for places she REALLY wants to visit, and 600 when in extra need. I had to cultivate that relationship though; I did not get such good privileges on an initial offer.
I don't know the date of that post, but the US rates are astronomically low.
NoBuglyFitches
01-04-25, 08:09
I don't think any of the rates on those tables are accurate today. In Brazil ... 600 reais Dubai is actually about right. I paid 4-500 usd, though I got asks as high as 4 k usd (10-15 k aed). Not sure but Tokyo might be right too due to weaker yen.
Who do you meet for 600 reals in Brazil? I mean, age, location, ethnicity as in white, indigenous, afro? For reference, how would you compare them in terms of looks to the hottest girls at Scandy on a Thursday night?
VanessasClient
01-04-25, 20:38
Dubai is actually about right. I paid 4-500 usd, though I got asks as high as 4 k usd (10-15 k aed). Not sure but Tokyo might be right too due to weaker yen.
Who do you meet for 600 reals in Brazil? I mean, age, location, ethnicity as in white, indigenous, afro? For reference, how would you compare them in terms of looks to the hottest girls at Scandy on a Thursday night?Early 20's, Amazon heritage (think Manaus area) so brown skin, not black, and in my last case, Santa Catarina. She's beautiful, especially if you are okay with more traditional features, such as a wider nose or possibly pronounced jaw. But importantly, definitely height to weight proportionate, without sagging breasts. Honestly I have a strong preference towards darker skin, but will see pretty gringa girls if no other options are available. Never been to Scandy so I can't comment on that.
Now, as far as getting them for half the day, that also depends on the circumstances. I "imported" her by Uber from over an hour away. So, if you were a woman, would you really want to sit almost 90 minutes in a car, hang out with a guy for an hour, then go back to a car and sit on your butt another 90 minutes to go back? Yes, you would be getting paid, but that's a back to back car ride lasting 3 hours total in exchange for hanging out in a hotel room for an hour. I offered to take her out to go food, and we hung out afterwards, so basically it amounted to half a day. I think if they are not working or have no other obligations, they are more likely to do this. Anyone on a limited budget, as many Brazilian girls are, doesn't want to have to spend more than they need to for food, so if you offer to take them out to a nice restaurant (cheap by US standards), they will usually be eager to get lunch or dinner at no cost, especially if they like you.
If they are accustomed to only getting 500 reais or even less from Brazilian guys, and you offer 600 or 700, they won't tell you they are thrilled, but they should gladly accept the offer, and be a lot more inclined to spend extra time with you. BTW the 1 US dollar is currently worth 6. 18 reais. On Christmas it was worth 6. 75 If you think it will go higher, wait until you arrive in Brazil. If lower, just exchange some dollars for reais now and keep them for your next trip to Brazil. In April of 2022 the dollar was only worth 4. 5 reais.
Is this still the going allowance in many countries? I was recently in Germany closer to Netherlands and Belgium. Allowance quoted few hours were 500 For couple of hours. I did meet one for 200 Euros for couple of hours a student but rare to find such. I guess rates almost doubled or I didn't explore much? I didn't know about existence of this subforum will RTTF before my next travel.Well, the original post was from 2020, but in 5 years, I'd say the Canadian rates have gone up a bit, too; instead of $300 (Canadian), I'd put it closer to $400-$500 is the average now. Mind you, our dollar has tanked in the last year, so Americans get at least a 30% discount.
Also, like anywhere else, if you're going date in major cities the rates are going to be higher than if you're meeting girls from smaller towns.
FilthyBeaver
01-05-25, 02:34
I think it's simpler than this. Sure the situation made it a lot more sense to spend more time together, all things being equal (no babysitter, job, sick dog issues).
But I've been doing the SB / SD game long enough now (it's the only way I meet people nowadays) that I've come to a fairly reliable conclusion. They all need money (for car payment, babysitter, rent, tuition, whatever). Some of them just want money for an overpriced purse or fun money that doesn't come with daddy's tuition check.
Some of them love sex and see the money as a huge bonus, some accept sex as a means to an end.
Here's my conclusion: they all want security and a guy who isn't a jerk. If you are these things everything else is negotiable and the clock means nothing. The amount means a lot less if she knows she can count on you and you meet whatever her basic threshold is. Next time you hunt in SA note the number of profiles looking for a "long term" arrangement. It's almost 100%. They can get themselves to like you over time but very few are willing to sleep with multiple guys unless they're just straight prostitutes.
So I wouldn't be too surprised she spent 4 hours with you when the discussion was for 1 HR. It means she wasn't repulsed by you, was hungry enough to eat with you, and could be the start of a great if you're into it.
When we first met, my current baby was cold, wanted to meet in the middle of the day, and really wasn't into anything other than getting naked. She was hot as fuck so I went with it. 18 months later of seeing each other weekly and we meet every day of the week, do fun stuff together, say fuck the babysitter more than we should, have sex without a condom, and know just about everything there is to know about each other. If that's not GFE I don't know what is. I wouldn't say I was looking for it in the beginning but I'm happy were here because she still does it for me every time I see her and no girl is going to sleep with you just for money for a year and a half unless there's something else there.
Early 20's, Amazon heritage (think Manaus area) so brown skin, not black, and in my last case, Santa Catarina. She's beautiful, especially if you are okay with more traditional features, such as a wider nose or possibly pronounced jaw. But importantly, definitely height to weight proportionate, without sagging breasts. Honestly I have a strong preference towards darker skin, but will see pretty gringa girls if no other options are available. Never been to Scandy so I can't comment on that.
Now, as far as getting them for half the day, that also depends on the circumstances. I "imported" her by Uber from over an hour away. So, if you were a woman, would you really want to sit almost 90 minutes in a car, hang out with a guy for an hour, then go back to a car and sit on your butt another 90 minutes to go back? Yes, you would be getting paid, but that's a back to back car ride lasting 3 hours total in exchange for hanging out in a hotel room for an hour. I offered to take her out to go food, and we hung out afterwards, so basically it amounted to half a day. I think if they are not working or have no other obligations, they are more likely to do this. Anyone on a limited budget, as many Brazilian girls are, doesn't want to have to spend more than they need to for food, so if you offer to take them out to a nice restaurant (cheap by US standards), they will usually be eager to get lunch or dinner at no cost, especially if they like you..
NoBuglyFitches
01-05-25, 14:12
Is this still the going allowance in many countries? I was recently in Germany closer to Netherlands and Belgium. Allowance quoted few hours were 500 For couple of hours. ... I guess rates almost doubled or I didn't explore much? I didn't know about existence of this subforum will RTTF before my next travel.I wouldn't say doubled, maybe +33-50%. It was 300-350 back then, now it's 400 around Berlin and Prague and 500 closer to Amsterdam. Some guys can probably still get 300 if you talk to many women who are not blonde college girls. But "model quality" in Brazil for 800 Rs still sounds unrealistic to me, but only if by "model" you mean tall, thin, white etc
When we first met, my current baby was cold, wanted to meet in the middle of the day, and really wasn't into anything other than getting naked. She was hot as fuck so I went with it. 18 months later of seeing each other weekly and we meet every day of the week, do fun stuff together, say fuck the babysitter more than we should, have sex without a condom, and know just about everything there is to know about each other. If that's not GFE I don't know what is. I wouldn't say I was looking for it in the beginning but I'm happy were here because she still does it for me every time I see her and no girl is going to sleep with you just for money for a year and a half unless there's something else there.You are pussy whipped, young man. Admit it. You probably would settle down with her if she would do it. Then divorce her in a few years. The grass is greener.
Selection in Zurich might be worse than it looks because many girls are not local, based on login location.
Re Nordic, I only did sugar dating there once. Super hot profiles were scams, and I mean elaborate multiday scams, even with video calls. Amazing, actually! There were a few average looking Scandi girls, and they were picky, expensive and not easy to meet. I only met one. Drinks felt like a real date in that if I said the wrong thing, she would've left because she didn't really need the money. A Tinder element to it. Sex was very good.Which Nordic country was it?
Man these "softcore hoors" as I call them. More like hardcore scammers! A girl I was communicating with (she contacted me) said she expected to be paid at the initial meeting. I replied that women who want to be paid to meet and greet don't want an arrangement. They want free money, and I don't dole out free money. She got pissed and said men pay her $1,000 for 30 minutes of her time. Oh really? Well not this man! I blocked her no more than a 7 looking ass!
But, I'm wondering if I should change my approach? I'm talking lead them on the way they string us along. Say I'm OK with making a payout during the meet and greet, but if I get there and don't like her just refuse to pay. What's she going to do? Sue me? Or, if I do like her then be prepared to pay whatever we agreed upon. As long as she comes back to my room and puts out. If not, then again just refuse to pay her shifty, theiving ass. Again, what's she going to do? I suppose I could be reported to the site, but I wouldn't give a damn as long as I've still got my money in my pocket!
VanessasClient
01-06-25, 04:56
Man these "softcore hoors" as I call them. More like hardcore scammers! A girl I was communicating with (she contacted me) said she expected to be paid at the initial meeting. I replied that women who want to be paid to meet and greet don't want an arrangement. They want free money, and I don't dole out free money. She got pissed and said men pay her $1,000 for 30 minutes of her time. Oh really? Well not this man! I blocked her no more than a 7 looking ass!
But, I'm wondering if I should change my approach? I'm talking lead them on the way they string us along. Say I'm OK with making a payout during the meet and greet, but if I get there and don't like her just refuse to pay. What's she going to do? Sue me? Or, if I do like her then be prepared to pay whatever we agreed upon. As long as she comes back to my room and puts out. If not, then again just refuse to pay her shifty, theiving ass. Again, what's she going to do? I suppose I could be reported to the site, but I wouldn't give a damn as long as I've still got my money in my pocket!If it's at a restaurant, she could say "I need to use the ladies room" , then proceed to go to the host and say to put the entire bill in the "gentleman's name. " After that she could order the most expensive bottle of alcohol the place has to offer. That's one of many things they could potentially do to wreck havoc. If you drove to the restaurant, then presumably your vehicle is there with a license plate on it. If she's working with a pimp, then who knows. Whether the particular lady has the sophistication or willingness do engage in vindictive behaviors is another story.
FilthyBeaver
01-06-25, 05:40
I don't like kids, never liked kids, even when I was a kid. She has two. I never wanted my own kids why would I want someone else's?
She is definitely GF material but the big head is firmly in control. In fact someone I met on a recent trip on their way here to stay with me for a month.
Try again.
You are pussy whipped, young man. Admit it. You probably would settle down with her if she would do it. Then divorce her in a few years. The grass is greener.
FilthyBeaver
01-06-25, 06:00
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FilthyBeaver
01-06-25, 06:05
Just tell her you don't pay for meet & greets. You don't know how crazy she is and is it worth a scene in a public place? Any girl that wants money just to meet you is a prostitute that hasn't convinced herself she's a prostitute yet. There's nothing wrong with prostitutes if that's what you're looking for but this is the seeking thread. Move on, there are plenty of serious girls imagine what else she'd ask for later if you agree to a first meet payout and decide to start seeing you regularly.
Man these "softcore hoors" as I call them. More like hardcore scammers! A girl I was communicating with (she contacted me) said she expected to be paid at the initial meeting. I replied that women who want to be paid to meet and greet don't want an arrangement. They want free money, and I don't dole out free money. She got pissed and said men pay her $1,000 for 30 minutes of her time. Oh really? Well not this man! I blocked her no more than a 7 looking ass!
But, I'm wondering if I should change my approach? I'm talking lead them on the way they string us along. Say I'm OK with making a payout during the meet and greet, but if I get there and don't like her just refuse to pay. What's she going to do? Sue me? Or, if I do like her then be prepared to pay whatever we agreed upon. As long as she comes back to my room and puts out. If not, then again just refuse to pay her shifty, theiving ass. Again, what's she going to do? I suppose I could be reported to the site, but I wouldn't give a damn as long as I've still got my money in my pocket!
Steve 9696
01-06-25, 15:29
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01-06-25, 15:34
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NoBuglyFitches
01-07-25, 04:13
Which Nordic country was it?Hate to call you out but all your posts in this thread are questions, no information shared.
For example, here's your reply to Steve: "The sex scene in Milan is better than you think, but like many places you have to know the right websites. I guess the lack of popularity in ISG makes it more difficult than more popular cities. ".
So what are the right websites in Milan?
Hate to call you out but all your posts in this thread are questions, no information shared.
For example, here's your reply to Steve: "The sex scene in Milan is better than you think, but like many places you have to know the right websites. I guess the lack of popularity in ISG makes it more difficult than more popular cities. ".
So what are the right websites in Milan?I admit I'm not activate on any sugaring website, just want some info for future reference. For Milan (and Italy in general) there are many websites, but the best ones from what I could found:
EscortForumit (https://www.escortforumit.xxx).
TantraLux (https://tantralux.com/).
Escort Advisor (https://www.escort-advisor.com/).
Moscarossa (https://www.moscarossa.biz/).
Escort Inn (https://escortinn.com/).
Massaggia Milano (https://www.massaggiamilano.it/), this one is focused on erotic massage parlors, but many of them offer extras including FS.
There are 2 Italian forums for the local sex industry: Gnoccaforum and Punter Forum.
Hey everyone,
I haven't been here for years, so please forgive any unwitting breaches of rules or etiquette.
I got the dreaded warning that "your account has been suspended for breaching the rules (soliciting sex for money). Thankfully it was just a warning, and they let me back on after I had watched their videos about "what you must not do".
No mentioning sex. No mentioning "pay per meet".
I'm not sure if it was because my profile suggested that I was looking for a "compensated friendship with benefits", or that I "couldn't afford escort-level rates for your time" (the word "escort" triggering some filter).
Well, fellow users, what AM I allowed to say, to discuss our financial expectations of each other? I'm even too scared to say something as generic as "what are your expectations, financially?
Some girls, once we'd messaged each other, I'd ask if we can continue the discussion off-site. Some said yes; but others were wary and refused, and I don't completely blame them.
Any tips about how to negotiate the minefield of the rules as to "seeking's new direction"? Any tips on what I safely CAN say? Or how to smoothly move the conversation off-site?
AmericanPi
01-14-25, 17:05
It's a great question. I've been doing this for years and I've never been suspended. Here are the rules.
Never use trigger words. PPM, only fans, escort, etc. Speak in euphemisms like say a good time, a night together.
Never even discuss intimacy on the app. Think about it from their perspective. They are guarding against needing to defend that they are not a prostitution front. Choose language that supports that cause.
Always always discuss specifics on text or WhatsApp or telegram or snap. Anywhere but the seeking app. Just say can we continue this conversation on text. There are some girls who insist on discussing in seeking because they don't want to give out their contact information. I usually just say a number and for your company and then say we need to take it off-line to talk about specifics.
Hey everyone. I haven't been here for years, so please forgive any unwitting breaches of rules or etiquette.
I got the dreaded warning that "your account has been suspended for breaching the rules (soliciting sex for money). Thankfully it was just a warning, and they let me back on after I had watched their videos about "what you must not do".
No mentioning sex. No mentioning "pay per meet".
I'm not sure if it was because my profile suggested that I was looking for a "compensated friendship with benefits", or that I "couldn't afford escort-level rates for your time" (the word "escort" triggering some filter).
Well, fellow users, what AM I allowed to say, to discuss our financial expectations of each other? I'm even too scared to say something as generic as "what are your expectations, financially?
Some girls, once we'd messaged each other, I'd ask if we can continue the discussion off-site. Some said yes; but others were wary and refused, and I don't completely blame them.
GardenGlen
01-14-25, 19:05
Hi bros,
I have been chatting to Flowergirl and Lizelle. Flowergirl looked better in pics than Lizelle. Can any bro help me out by sharing a recent review if you have tried out both. How are they and who is better (in service and hygiene) at same price?
Thanks.
Steve 9696
01-14-25, 20:09
Hey everyone,
I haven't been here for years, so please forgive any unwitting breaches of rules or etiquette.
I got the dreaded warning that "your account has been suspended for breaching the rules (soliciting sex for money). Thankfully it was just a warning, and they let me back on after I had watched their videos about "what you must not do".
No mentioning sex. No mentioning "pay per meet".
I'm not sure if it was because my profile suggested that I was looking for a "compensated friendship with benefits", or that I "couldn't afford escort-level rates for your time" (the word "escort" triggering some filter).
Well, fellow users, what AM I allowed to say, to discuss our financial expectations of each other? I'm even too scared to say something as generic as "what are your expectations, financially?
Some girls, once we'd messaged each other, I'd ask if we can continue the discussion off-site. Some said yes; but others were wary and refused, and I don't completely blame them.
Any tips about how to negotiate the minefield of the rules as to "seeking's new direction"? Any tips on what I safely CAN say? Or how to smoothly move the conversation off-site?AmericanPi is spot on in his response. After some casual chat about nothing take her to WhatsApp. If she's not willing to go there just move on. Most girls understand the basic game plan here. Even in texting on WhatsApp there is no profit in asking girls PPM rates and generally treating her like an escort. The best girls will ghost right away if you make them feel at all like a pro. In Nampa (Japanese street pickup) they have a thing called Anti-**** defense. That is no girl wants to feel like a **** and you need to help her feel like this is not that.
My usual patter goes more or less like:
Let's plan to go out to dinner and drinks and if we vibe well we could spend some private time together. How does that sound for you?
Once they say yes you say "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance at the end of the date. Did you have some amount in mind?
This is the same as saying "what ppm do you want if we fuck". You just don't say it that way!
VanessasClient
01-15-25, 04:55
Many girls don't want to let you contact them off the site unless they feel like you meet their criteria. If they want $600 an hour, but feel like you're the type of guy who would lowball them with $200, then it's a waste of their time to communicate. The best thing to do is open up with small talk. Let's say there's a photo of her below the Eiffel Tower. If you recognize a location from one of their pictures, you can say something like "I see you have been to Paris before. " Or you can ask if they have any pets. Just a brief, casual conversation. Once you've spent a bit of time chatting, they will be less reluctant to give you a way to contact them off the site. If they insist on discussing business on the site, then just move on to the next girl because she's likely a snob anyhow.
Hey everyone,
I haven't been here for years, so please forgive any unwitting breaches of rules or etiquette.
I got the dreaded warning that "your account has been suspended for breaching the rules (soliciting sex for money). Thankfully it was just a warning, and they let me back on after I had watched their videos about "what you must not do".
No mentioning sex. No mentioning "pay per meet".
I'm not sure if it was because my profile suggested that I was looking for a "compensated friendship with benefits", or that I "couldn't afford escort-level rates for your time" (the word "escort" triggering some filter).
Well, fellow users, what AM I allowed to say, to discuss our financial expectations of each other? I'm even too scared to say something as generic as "what are your expectations, financially?
Some girls, once we'd messaged each other, I'd ask if we can continue the discussion off-site. Some said yes; but others were wary and refused, and I don't completely blame them.
Any tips about how to negotiate the minefield of the rules as to "seeking's new direction"? Any tips on what I safely CAN say? Or how to smoothly move the conversation off-site?
I renewed my Seeking membership recently, but that's it! I won't renew again. It's not just about the fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. We all know that's bad enough. But, it's also all of the girls with totally unrealistic expectations around here in this town. The absolute hottest ones want to extract $1,000 a meet without doing much of jack shit for that money! For their "time" (rolling eyes). There are plenty who will go for $300 to $500 per meet, but I tend to not be nearly as attracted to those girls, either due to their looks and / or age and / or ghetto attitude and behavior. They're not getting my money. None of them! I'll keep working it while I have an active membership looking for a jewel in a pile of shit, but once done I will be more than happy to stick with the straight up tutes. I can travel abroad and find what I want at far more favorable pricing and get exactly what I want in terms of services too (including anal sex) with no bullshit games and no gouging. Of course, there's the price of overseas travel right? Well, I was going to do that anyway, and now that I'm retired I have the time to go along with the money. I love to travel in the first place, and being able to combine that with hooring and wenching? Well, for me that's just having la pura vida! The good life! Goodbye Seeking and hey, hey mongering! Once my Seeking membership expires next time, I will probably just go ahead and delete my account. Tired of wasting my time, and won't blow my money on a bunch of greedy "softcore hoors"!
I got the dreaded warning that "your account has been suspended for breaching the rules (soliciting sex for money). Thankfully it was just a warning, and they let me back on after I had watched their videos about "what you must not do".
No mentioning sex. No mentioning "pay per meet".
I'm not sure if it was because my profile suggested that I was looking for a "compensated friendship with benefits", or that I "couldn't afford escort-level rates for your time" (the word "escort" triggering some filter).
Well, fellow users, what AM I allowed to say, to discuss our financial expectations of each other? I'm even too scared to say something as generic as "what are your expectations, financially?
I got banned also a few years ago. Now I use SDM, sugar daddy meet.com which is 1/3 d of the price. I still get the same scammers, but not as much. I always use the word "intimacy" instead of sex. It sounds better. Sometimes PPM is ok. "friends with benefits" is good too. Some younger women still think / expect they will get $$ from you and not put out! LOL Others say they want $800. I say for that they would need to do a threesome and anal! Haha. And I hang up. These be-itches are getting professional on these sugar daddy sites since Craigslist got stopped.
VanessasClient
01-16-25, 00:19
I renewed my Seeking membership recently, but that's it! I won't renew again. It's not just about the fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. We all know that's bad enough. But, it's also all of the girls with totally unrealistic expectations around here in this town. The absolute hottest ones want to extract $1,000 a meet without doing much of jack shit for that money! For their "time" (rolling eyes). There are plenty who will go for $300 to $500 per meet, but I tend to not be nearly as attracted to those girls, either due to their looks and / or age and / or ghetto attitude and behavior. They're not getting my money. None of them! I'll keep working it while I have an active membership looking for a jewel in a pile of shit, but once done I will be more than happy to stick with the straight up tutes. I can travel abroad and find what I want at far more favorable pricing and get exactly what I want in terms of services too (including anal sex) with no bullshit games and no gouging. Of course, there's the price of overseas travel right? Well, I was going to do that anyway, and now that I'm retired I have the time to go along with the money. I love to travel in the first place, and being able to combine that with hooring and wenching? Well, for me that's just having la pura vida! The good life! Goodbye Seeking and hey, hey mongering! Once my Seeking membership expires next time, I will probably just go ahead and delete my account. Tired of wasting my time, and won't blow my money on a bunch of greedy "softcore hoors"!While I could be assuming incorrectly, I'm guessing most of your experience on Seeking has been within the USA? If so, I felt the exact same way when I registered a few years ago. Which is why I never renewed until 2024. I NEVER had any luck with Seeking in the USA. But I've had amazing success outside of the USA. It's one of the few centralized places to find women. For example, you can find excellent girls on Apartado X in Portugal, but Apartado X does not work for Cyprus, France, Germany, or anywhere else in the world outside of Portugal and Spain. Same thing with Euro Girls Escort; it works for many part of the EU, but very few people use it in South America. Girls from all over the world use Seeking, partly due to all the media attention it used to get. And while I know there are scammers on there, I feel like many of the girls outside of the USA are legit. Hell, I feel like most of the scammers on there are ugly ass Nigerian men masquerading around as girls. And those types of idiots are far more likely to post ads in the USA; where they know men have money. You won't see a lot of Nigerian men posting scam ads for a place like Paraguay, because they know most Paraguayan men are impoverished and have no money to send them.
While I could be assuming incorrectly, I'm guessing most of your experience on Seeking has been within the USA? If so, I felt the exact same way when I registered a few years ago. Which is why I never renewed until 2024. I NEVER had any luck with Seeking in the USA. But I've had amazing success outside of the USA. It's one of the few centralized places to find women. For example, you can find excellent girls on Apartado X in Portugal, but Apartado X does not work for Cyprus, France, Germany, or anywhere else in the world outside of Portugal and Spain. Same thing with Euro Girls Escort; it works for many part of the EU, but very few people use it in South America. Girls from all over the world use Seeking, partly due to all the media attention it used to get. And while I know there are scammers on there, I feel like many of the girls outside of the USA are legit. Hell, I feel like most of the scammers on there are ugly ass Nigerian men masquerading around as girls. And those types of idiots are far more likely to post ads in the USA; where they know men have money. You won't see a lot of Nigerian men posting scam ads for a place like Paraguay, because they know most Paraguayan men are impoverished and have no money to send them.I have only used it in the USA. I have a big trip to Brazil coming up. I know Steve says he has had some amazing experiences using Seeking there. Have you (or anybody else here recently)? I have never felt the need to use it in a place like Brazil. I still have a few months left in my membership. Maybe it's just time to say good riddance to "gringaland" where the Nigerian men are scamming in overdrive!
AmericanPi
01-16-25, 17:30
I renewed my Seeking membership recently, but that's it! I won't renew again. It's not just about the fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. We all know that's bad enough. But, it's also all of the girls with totally unrealistic expectations around here in this town. The absolute hottest ones want to extract $1,000 a meet without doing much of jack shit for that money! For their "time" (rolling eyes). There are plenty who will go for $300 to $500 per meet, but I tend to not be nearly as attracted to those girls, either due to their looks and / or age and / or ghetto attitude and behavior. They're not getting my money. None of them! I'll keep working it while I have an active membership looking for a jewel in a pile of shit, but once done I will be more than happy to stick with the straight up tutes. I can travel abroad and find what I want at far more favorable pricing and get exactly what I want in terms of services too (including anal sex) with no bullshit games and no gouging. Of course, there's the price of overseas travel right? Well, I was going to do that anyway, and now that I'm retired I have the time to go along with the money. I love to travel in the first place, and being able to combine that with hooring and wenching? Well, for me that's just having la pura vida! The good life! Goodbye Seeking and hey, hey mongering! Once my Seeking membership expires next time, I will probably just go ahead and delete my account. Tired of wasting my time, and won't blow my money on a bunch of greedy "softcore hoors"!If you do end up quitting seeking and only mongering can I politely request you not become one of those people that drops by periodically for no reason other than to say how stupid this is, how unrealistic the girls, how much it's changed, how much better it is doing something else.
Not that you would. But there is some pattern of people leaving this little hobby and then sour grapes it thereafter.
It's a choice. Nobody has to do this.
Best of luck to you. It sounds like your retirement is going to kick off with a bang. Or many. May we all follow in your footsteps. Share stories of your last hurrah.
Steve 9696
01-16-25, 22:48
I have only used it in the USA. I have a big trip to Brazil coming up. I know Steve says he has had some amazing experiences using Seeking there. Have you (or anybody else here recently)? I have never felt the need to use it in a place like Brazil. I still have a few months left in my membership. Maybe it's just time to say good riddance to "gringaland" where the Nigerian men are scamming in overdrive!Just to be clear I have only scored once on Seeking in Rio as I am of sorta like minded. It's a candy store. I don't need Seeking really. But this seeking girl was total home run. $100 usd and a smokin hottie. Have seen her a total of 11 days this year in Rio SP and Barcelona.
The main reason for Seeking in Brasil is Sunday. It's a ghostown day. You really need a chica on the side for Sunday. You can get this on Seeking. You can also get this by locking up a Boate or clinics / terma girl. So it's not strictly necessary. But it's nice to have in your pocket. I scored Manu sat night about midnight for a Sunday 8 pm date.
Just to be clear I have only scored once on Seeking in Rio as I am of sorta like minded. It's a candy store. I don't need Seeking really. But this seeking girl was total home run. $100 usd and a smokin hottie. Have seen her a total of 11 days this year in Rio SP and Barcelona.
The main reason for Seeking in Brasil is Sunday. It's a ghostown day. You really need a chica on the side for Sunday. You can get this on Seeking. You can also get this by locking up a Boate or clinics / terma girl. So it's not strictly necessary. But it's nice to have in your pocket. I scored Manu sat night about midnight for a Sunday 8 pm date.Thanks for the clarification and suggestions. I think I will go with trying to hook up with a clinica or boate or termas girl on Sundays, or even just take a break. After going hard Monday thru Saturday sometimes I don't mind taking a break on Sunday. I do miss L'uomo though. It was the only termas in Rio I recall being open on Sundays. Changed my life. Forever. It was there on a Sunday of deep reflection that I decided to become a lifelong monger. A decision I do not regret.
FilthyBeaver
01-18-25, 03:16
I don't think anyone (you or her) should be thinking in terms of time other than something very general like "overnight. " You need to be speaking in terms of activities. Dinner, show, drinks, sightseeing, any or all of stuff like that. Agree to a price for a list of things that you want and let them tell you they are or are not comfortable with all that. If you're both thinking in terms of time, you're looking for a prostitute and she IS a prostitute. It's nuance but it is quite different from what sugarbaby is. The ones that are open to other activities are generally more open to GFE in my experience. You don't have to ask for it. You spend 3 or 4 hours doing whatever and if she's still around at the end of it she doesn't think you're a creep and mostly treats you like a normal guy and not a customer. What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. That way she knows she's getting something and we both have an out. If she's not into you you probably don't want to bang her anyway and the only way to know that is do more than chat online.
If they want $600 an hour, but feel like you're the type of guy who would lowball them with $200, then it's a waste of their time to communicate.
Thanks for the clarification and suggestions. I think I will go with trying to hook up with a clinica or boate or termas girl on Sundays, or even just take a break. After going hard Monday thru Saturday sometimes I don't mind taking a break on Sunday. I do miss L'uomo though. It was the only termas in Rio I recall being open on Sundays. Changed my life. Forever. It was there on a Sunday of deep reflection that I decided to become a lifelong monger. A decision I do not regret.You know there are places open on Sunday (I am mostly talking about SP). The price has gone up a lot for quite a while. I think there is a cartel or agency behind many girls. Unlike men who don't share, these girls work together so they know who can pay 2000 or 3000 and they all can target these customers. I guess if you pay for one of the girls from the cartel, then there will be more girls coming your way. This is just a theory attempting to explain the price rise, and some other observations.
Two years ago, you can get freebies from time to time, and the price for more desirable girls is what one would expect to be reasonable but it has changed. You may get one or two that are reasonable but in the long run when you talk to enough of them then you may see a different or more complete picture.
Why people don't post, because it is a very small world and people who frequent don't want it to get to where it is today. That thermae place is called black cat, and I tell you here because this is not an obvious place for this information. LOL.
VanessasClient
01-19-25, 05:32
I don't think anyone (you or her) should be thinking in terms of time other than something very general like "overnight. " You need to be speaking in terms of activities. Dinner, show, drinks, sightseeing, any or all of stuff like that. Agree to a price for a list of things that you want and let them tell you they are or are not comfortable with all that. If you're both thinking in terms of time, you're looking for a prostitute and she IS a prostitute. It's nuance but it is quite different from what sugarbaby is. The ones that are open to other activities are generally more open to GFE in my experience. You don't have to ask for it. You spend 3 or 4 hours doing whatever and if she's still around at the end of it she doesn't think you're a creep and mostly treats you like a normal guy and not a customer. What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. That way she knows she's getting something and we both have an out. If she's not into you you probably don't want to bang her anyway and the only way to know that is do more than chat online.If they are not offering sex, I'm not interested. I wouldn't go to Seeking, I'd go to another site. I can get girls outside of the USA to hangout with me or go to dinner for free. They are the same type of girls who likely won't have sex within a week of meeting ANY guy, not matter how attractive or how "good of a catch he is. " Either because their parents raised them as diehard catholics, they are very conservative about their bodies, had a bad sexual experience in the past, or for any number of dozens of reasons. While they are not common, there are still girls in the USA who refuse to have sex before marriage, though most of them are religious fanatics. And nobody but a lunatic gets married within a month of meeting someone.
The last 2 girls I met from the Caribbean and South America off Seeking were more than willing to spend multiple hours with me after we hopped off the mattress. And I didn't offer them money for anything other than sex. No time specified, and no activities. We just came to an agreement on a price for getting into the sack, and they choose to stick around for awhile afterwards. If I were to offer money to a girl to go to dinner with me, with the "possibility" of additional activities later in the evening, then that's not different than saying to myself "I'm not good enough to get a traditional date. ".
Only in the USA do I face such a conundrum. Partly because my standards of beauty are quite high, but more obviously because at least 70% of American women, if not substantially more, are a bunch of entitled tards, especially the ones in their 20's or 30's, which is the only age bracket I would consider dating. If I wanted to get a date with an ugly girl and not pay for it, I could, but have no desire to. The entire point is: I'm not going to spend years trying to find an American outlier, and then several months traditionally courting her, with only the chance that it might lead to sex. Paying for it, for better or worse, produces instant results. The only difference is that formal sex workers overtly simplify the engagement, because they've been willing to make a cost benefits analysis that informal sex workers (95% of other women) choose not to make. Maybe you believe that prostitutes are significantly different from "sugar babies. " The only different I see between the two, other than the terminology used, is that many girls from Seeking are willing to offer things other sex, but they also expect more in return from the man. Which is fine. But other than that, no amount of information will ever convince me there is an empirical difference between the two. You are either trading sex for money in some capacity, or you aren't; there are no two ways about it.
Paying for it, for better or worse, produces instant results. The only difference is that formal sex workers overtly simplify the engagement, because they've been willing to make a cost benefits analysis that informal sex workers (95% of other women) choose not to make. Maybe you believe that prostitutes are significantly different from "sugar babies. " The only different I see between the two, other than the terminology used, is that many girls from Seeking are willing to offer things other sex, but they also expect more in return from the man. Which is fine. But other than that, no amount of information will ever convince me there is an empirical difference between the two. You are either trading sex for money in some capacity, or you aren't; there are no two ways about it.We see eye to eye on this. Thus, my moniker for them being "softcore hoors".
FilthyBeaver
01-19-25, 11:36
If you talk to them in terms of time, you will get answered in terms of time which is how an escort thinks. There's nothing wrong with escorts if that's what you're looking for and there are plenty on seeking. We're all on seeking for sex. Actually we're all on the planet for sex for that matter. How you go about pursuing it is what this site is about. I'm just saying a sugar baby shouldn't be thinking in terms of time and encouraging her to think that way means she's not a sugar baby. It's all fansty at the end of day. How you chose to look at the situation vs how she chooses to look at the situation can start out differently but the closer you get to each other's viewpoints the better the fantasy.
If they are not offering sex, I'm not interested. I wouldn't go to Seeking, I'd go to another site. I can get girls outside of the USA to hangout with me or go to dinner for free. They are the same type of girls who likely won't have sex within a week of meeting ANY guy, not matter how attractive or how "good of a catch he is. " Either because their parents raised them as diehard catholics, they are very conservative about their bodies, had a bad sexual experience in the past, or for any number of dozens of reasons. While they are not common, there are still girls in the USA who refuse to have sex before marriage, though most of them are religious fanatics. And nobody but a lunatic gets married within a month of meeting someone.
The last 2 girls I met from the Caribbean and South America off Seeking were more than willing to spend multiple hours with me after we hopped off the mattress. And I didn't offer them money for anything other than sex. No time specified, and no activities. We just came to an agreement on a price for getting into the sack, and they choose to stick around for awhile afterwards. If I were to offer money to a girl to go to dinner with me, with the "possibility" of additional activities later in the evening, then that's not different than saying to myself "I'm not good enough to get a traditional date...
NoBuglyFitches
01-19-25, 12:49
What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. When do you actually give her that amount for the date? As soon as you meet, after dinner, or only if / when she's back your hotel?
AmericanPi
01-19-25, 15:51
When do you actually give her that amount for the date? As soon as you meet, after dinner, or only if / when she's back your hotel?Not addressed to me, but I'm still going to answer. The answer is none of the above. The gift is given after all is said and done. Preferably discreetly. I usually put in her purse or jacket pocket and say I left you a gift. But doing before the end is just asking some to say they have to leave early.
I met a young woman yesterday at a restaurant and everything checked out. Said she wanted to stay with me overnight. $500. Bought a bottle of wine and went back to my place, she followed me there, I did not give her the address. Did a session in the bedroom. Then she got a phone call (probably one of her girlfriends that was training her in on how to play with guys and rip them off.) Someone was coaching her on the phone.
She said she needed to go outside. Then I did not hear from her for 10 minutes and got a phone call from her. Said her grandmother just died and she had to go home. I knew this was a LIE! So I pretended to be sympathetic. Then she asked for her money, said she completed her part of the arrangement. Wanted me to zelle it to her, I told her I did not know how to Zelle. I said why don't you come back and we can go to the ATM at the bank. She said she was circling around the neighborhood and did not know my address. GOOD TO HEAR! I said, lets meet at the wine store where we had bought a bottle of wine, the bank was across the street.
Wondering if she would show, or if I really owed her the $500 since the deal was for her to spend the night. So I went thru the bank drive thru and got the cash out and sat in the parking lot for several minutes. Did not see her, nor hear from her again on the phone for about 10 minutes while I waited for her.
I thought to myself, this is stupid. I have a runner, and then she wants me to wait for her to pay her $$ when she did not stay the night! Screw her. She does not know where I live, nor my real name. So I left and went to a movie.
Apparently she wanted her $500 and called me while I was at the concession stand. I blocked her number on my phone. Immediately I got another call from another number, and blocked that number, it probably was her girlfriend's cell number. Then she called several times "restricted caller" showed up on my phone. I finally reported this number to google as spam, asked if they could block it because it was an old girlfriend! And they blocked her.
Think I did the right thing. She was a runner. Fuck her. I fucked her and she ran, and she got fucked again because she got nothing! No $$.
FilthyBeaver
01-19-25, 19:52
Not sure I understand but I assume you're talking about the part before we're intimate. I usually give it as soon as I get a good read on the vibe. If there's banner and chemistry and I know I want to bang her and reasonably believe she'll bang me, I'll slip it into the her or under her plate when she goes the the bathroom because they all do at some point. When they come back, I'll excuse myself so they can collect and stash it without me seeing anything. If we bang too then it's after the deed.
If I don't want to bang her, I'll finish my meal, hand her the money and say goodnight.
When do you actually give her that amount for the date? As soon as you meet, after dinner, or only if / when she's back your hotel?
Steve 9696
01-20-25, 00:20
If you talk to them in terms of time, you will get answered in terms of time which is how an escort thinks. There's nothing wrong with escorts if that's what you're looking for and there are plenty on seeking. We're all on seeking for sex. Actually we're all on the planet for sex for that matter. How you go about pursuing it is what this site is about. I'm just saying a sugar baby shouldn't be thinking in terms of time and encouraging her to think that way means she's not a sugar baby. It's all fansty at the end of day. How you chose to look at the situation vs how she chooses to look at the situation can start out differently but the closer you get to each other's viewpoints the better the fantasy.Bearing in mind I am mostly Seeking US, but I am with FB on this. Treat a girl like a hooker and she will act like one. Or feel disrespected and ghost. I always try to treat them like a date. When did you ever say to a real girl "we will spend four hours together". Never. I treat SA girls the same. We have dinner and drinks. Go fuck. Some girls say they need to get home. Other girls stay overnight. It's a lovely way to roll because it's HER choice. If she can make the same $ by going home or staying you know there's something there when she stays.
On the other thread as PI says always $ after. Preferably in a little card discretely slipped in her purse. Most girls understand this game and appreciate it not appearing so transactional. Newbies sometimes say "did U have a gift for me?" And I let them know it's in their purse. A couple times we've had such fun I forgot to do it and she forgot to ask so we settled up later. LOL. Even happened with a full on pro in New Zealand. That was surprising.
NoBuglyFitches
01-20-25, 04:24
Not addressed to me, but I'm still going to answer. The answer is none of the above. The gift is given after all is said and done. Preferably discreetly. I usually put in her purse or jacket pocket and say I left you a gift. But doing before the end is just asking some to say they have to leave early.Yes, of course, I always pay after sex as well. But FB said: "What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. " So my question was when and how does he actually pay that amount that he offered just for the dinner date? And if no girl ever said to him after dinner "Thank you, I had a wonderful time. May I have my gift now, please?
NoBuglyFitches
01-20-25, 05:02
We have dinner and drinks. Go fuck. Some girls say they need to get home. Other girls stay overnight. It's a lovely way to roll because it's HER choice. If she can make the same $ by going home or staying you know there's something there when she stays. If I may, the same question as for FB: when do you actually give her the money? Right after you fuck, you give her the money, and then ask if she'd like to stay overnight? Or do you wait for her to say that she needs to go home and only then give her the money? If the latter, some girls might be staying overnight because they're afraid they won't get paid otherwise.
Ime, at least for the under 24 age group, once they have the money in hand, they got places to be. Are you seeing different?
Steve 9696
01-20-25, 13:28
If I may, the same question as for FB: when do you actually give her the money? Right after you fuck, you give her the money, and then ask if she'd like to stay overnight? Or do you wait for her to say that she needs to go home and only then give her the money? If the latter, some girls might be staying overnight because they're afraid they won't get paid otherwise.
Ime, at least for the under 24 age group, once they have the money in hand, they got places to be. Are you seeing different?To answer your specific question, I prepare a card with the money and put in an envelope and put in plain sight but not quite for the taking — like under the ice bucket or something. After fucking when she is in the bathroom I will often slip it in her purse. Though sometimes if that's not convenient just give it when they are leaving. As far as sleepover it's never a discussion. We just crash like big dogs after fucking and that's that.
Now that I think about it tho I don't suppose recently many girls have stayed overnight on the first date. I supppse that goes back a couple years. At one point I wrote it was fifty fifty but that was a couple years back and I ran through more seeking girls. Recently when I find a girl I like I tend to glom onto her and fly her to me when traveling. My goal is to have a home girl, a US travel girl (my current home girl can't travel and our non-sex relationship is a bit meh), a Brazilian girl, and a European travel girl. I was all set till recently my Milan girl ghosted me. Boo. Landed sunny side up tho as one of the most beautiful girls I know came out of the blue (broke up w her boyfriend) and is going to travel w me. These girls lives are constantly changing and staying in touch always pays off.
FilthyBeaver
01-20-25, 20:17
After sex she goes straight to the bathroom I put it in her purse then. Never been asked for the money, even on a first date so maybe they peek inside. I will say that I come across as a straight and honest person person, been that way my whole life. I also present very well, I usually look like I have a few bucks. People tend to trust me fairly easily if they've already spent a couple of hours with me.
I never ask for overnight, that's all completely different vibe. Just because I want to bang someone doesn't mean I want them to stay the night. If the chemistry is off the charts and she looks like she's in it for the long haul I just go with it. If she's in a rush to get out so be it. I don't negotiate two pops, over nights, etc. I just go with the flow.
If I may, the same question as for FB: when do you actually give her the money? Right after you fuck, you give her the money, and then ask if she'd like to stay overnight? Or do you wait for her to say that she needs to go home and only then give her the money? If the latter, some girls might be staying overnight because they're afraid they won't get paid otherwise.
Ime, at least for the under 24 age group, once they have the money in hand, they got places to be. Are you seeing different?
NoBuglyFitches
01-21-25, 06:25
staying in touch always pays off.When I stay in touch, many try to hit me up for money, or a hotel booking, or rent payment etc. Like in that Ho Tactics book.
And if we do meet again, it's usually worse than the first time both in terms of connection and sex. Plus, unless she is a pro sugar baby, most regular girls have tight schedules with school and work so they can't usually go with me when / where I want.
Do you find similar?
BTW, part of the reason I ask these questions is for the benefit of lurkers and first timers who might be learning from this forum.
FunForSandy
01-21-25, 07:21
Hello all,
I tried searching about Zurich but couldn't find much about it.
If any of you has used Seeking in Zurich plshare your experience.
I have a week long trip coming in about 6 weeks.
Can one find non pros there on Seeking? And would they be open to a one off meeting? Especially with an Indian on travel.
I understand that Switzerland is expensive, what's the range of allowance?
Should I start chatting up 2 weeks in advance?
Any other advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.
NoBuglyFitches
01-21-25, 15:04
After sex she goes straight to the bathroom ... Actually, overnights was a question for Steve. What I don't understand about your approach is you say: "What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. ".
So when do you actually pay that "some amount" that you offered just for the dinner date?
Sounds like you don't volunteer this payment right after dinner? And none of your ladies, none that you wanted to bang, ever said to you "Thank you, I had a great time but I need to go now. May I have my dinner date present now, please?
As advice to first timers, it'd be good to have this clarified or they'll get rinsed.
FilthyBeaver
01-21-25, 16:04
I thought I was clear but maybe not not. When they go to the bathroom at the restaurant I will slip the money under her napkin or plate. When she comes back I'll excuse myself to the bathroom and whisper to her that I left her a gift under her plate. Not once has any girl asked me for the money, I always give it before they get the chance. I've always been the one to propose the end of dinner even if she's a dud. That daid I've only had 2 dud dates. Everyone else I've fucked sooner or later. If I like them I'll invite them to my place where they know they'll get more as I've just proven I can provide for her. If I don't like them I'll give them a hug and say good luck. They know what that means.
As for the amount, it depends. Maybe 2-300 if I really like them, one time I gave 400 because she had some sob story about tuition.
I also need to be clear that I mostly do this while traveling overseas. Because my time is very valuable and I need to close the deal quick. I don't offer money for meet and greets at home. There are too many girls at home to play those kinds of games. I flat out tell them no when they ask for a gift for meeting. About half will meet me anyway and the other half will tell me to fuck off.
Actually, overnights was a question for Steve. What I don't understand about your approach is you say: "What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. ".
So when do you actually pay that "some amount" that you offered just for the dinner date?
Sounds like you don't volunteer this payment right after dinner? And none of your ladies, none that you wanted to bang, ever said to you "Thank you, I had a great time but I need to go now. May I have my dinner date present now, please?.
Actually, overnights was a question for Steve. What I don't understand about your approach is you say: "What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. ".
So when do you actually pay that "some amount" that you offered just for the dinner date?
Sounds like you don't volunteer this payment right after dinner? And none of your ladies, none that you wanted to bang, ever said to you "Thank you, I had a great time but I need to go now. May I have my dinner date present now, please?
As advice to first timers, it'd be good to have this clarified or they'll get rinsed.I would like to know the answers as well. I mean, how often does a girl say thanks so much I had a great time, but balks at intimacy and expects to get paid? And what do you pay her? Say the going rate in your town is $500 per meet and that's what you agreed to. So, if she wants to skip intimacy you pay her the $500, and if she does agree to intimacy then you pay her the $500 plus some additional unspecified amount as some kind of bonus or something? I mean how does this work?
I was looking at a Seeking thread in the USA version of this site and saw where guys were discussing how some of the girls trying to sell themselves as "babies" were known strippers in some of the clubs around the metro. So, they weren't making enough to pay the bills from stripping and looking to make additional income as sugar babies. Of course, they never say in their profiles that they're strippers. They're "self-employed" LOLOL! No wonder all the tattoos and body piercings some of the girls have giving them that "stripper look". I bet if you approached some of them in the club about an arrangement they would get pissed off and accuse you of treating them like a prostitute. And if next you whipped out their Seeking profile then they would get even more angry LOL! Such are these irrational softcore hoors!
NeilGeorge
01-21-25, 22:58
I would like to know the answers as well. I mean, how often does a girl say thanks so much I had a great time, but balks at intimacy and expects to get paid? And what do you pay her? Say the going rate in your town is $500 per meet and that's what you agreed to. So, if she wants to skip intimacy you pay her the $500, and if she does agree to intimacy then you pay her the $500 plus some additional unspecified amount as some kind of bonus or something? I mean how does this work?The girl who does not want intimacy, but is in your house, would scream, "I am NOT a prostitute, you must pay me for my time! Or she will say, "I need to get you better before I agree to go in the bedroom, I just met you and do not know you!
Then you have to pay her $500 or she will call the cops on you for assignment of prostitution! Or rape! Just ask President Trump about Stormy Daniels!! Or the **** will come back later and break your windows or key your car at night! Or enter your house!
When I stay in touch, many try to hit me up for money, or a hotel booking, or rent payment etc. Like in that Ho Tactics book.
And if we do meet again, it's usually worse than the first time both in terms of connection and sex. Plus, unless she is a pro sugar baby, most regular girls have tight schedules with school and work so they can't usually go with me when / where I want.
Do you find similar?
BTW, part of the reason I ask these questions is for the benefit of lurkers and first timers who might be learning from this forum.Absolutely agree. Further meetings have always been the same or worse than the first, often worse. First meet is when they will try hardest to secure long term. And this leads to the other item, staying in touch. Couple of nice texts from them, maybe sexy photos, then come the money requests. Last one told me her cousin had lost a testicle in an accident, needed money for xrays. And you know what, even when I helped others, still didn't change their behavior nor performance, and even went with others when we had a meet setup. So, don't send money, if you didn't like first meet, ditch. Boy, do I miss those early days of misstravel, before the working girls from seeking destroyed it.
NoBuglyFitches
01-22-25, 03:26
When they go to the bathroom AT THE RESTAURANT I will slip the money under her napkin or plate... Not once has any girl asked me for the money, I always give it before they get the chance. Wait, so you DO actually volunteer her dinner fee, and with 200 usd already in her purse she still chooses to fuck you for maybe $300 more?! Even knowing that you're a tourist, so it's likely a one-time thing?
Was she open to sex when you first messaged her? For example, she says "I just want to meet at your hotel. " Then you say, "No, I'd like to start with dinner and I'll give you 200 just for your time, plus more if we have sex."
How many times have you done this money under the napkin thing successfully? What countries, locations and approx how old were your dates?
If an average American tourist texted a random hot college girl on a sugar site saying "I'll give you $200 for a dinner date at Michelin3, plus more $$ if we have sex," I'm nearly certain he won't get sex. Am I wrong? I feel that there's some secret sauce here, absent which first timers are going to get many dinners and no pussy.
Wait, so you DO actually volunteer her dinner fee, and with 200 usd already in her purse she still chooses to fuck you for maybe $300 more?! Even knowing that you're a tourist, so it's likely a one-time thing?
Was she open to sex when you first messaged her? For example, she says "I just want to meet at your hotel. " Then you say, "No, I'd like to start with dinner and I'll give you 200 just for your time, plus more if we have sex."
How many times have you done this money under the napkin thing successfully? What countries, locations and approx how old were your dates?
If an average American tourist texted a random hot college girl on a sugar site saying "I'll give you $200 for a dinner date at Michelin3, plus more $$ if we have sex," I'm nearly certain he won't get sex. Am I wrong? I feel that there's some secret sauce here, absent which first timers are going to get many dinners and no pussy.Plenty of American women will happily eat the food and down the drinks that you paid for, then expect you to pay them "for her time" that she just spent enjoying a meal that she ate for free on your dime. Then split with a smile on her face, your food and drink in her belly, and your cash in her purse. And the next day tell her best friends how she made out without having to put out. And then go bang some guy she likes for free! That's what being a "gentleman" gets you from a typical, self-entitled gringa full of herself. Well fuck that! I would rather just "regular" date then. Or even better than that fuck young, hot prostitutes. That pretty tute got what she wanted (money), and I got what I wanted (puss and ass). All the dinner dating stuff I can take it or leave it. The fact of the matter is that I have indeed had many dinner dates with the working girls. I don't mind it when I know I'm going to be tapping that ass later (and she knows it too). No games! I'm just not up to letting gringas play me with "her time is valuable" bullshit. Maybe so, but my time is worth more than her inflated, delusional valuing of herself. That's for damn sure! These hoors soon learn to think again if they believe The Cane is going to give them my hard earned cash just to have them show up and have a good time eating and drinking on me. They have another think coming is what. No deal!
The girl who does not want intimacy, but is in your house, would scream, "I am NOT a prostitute, you must pay me for my time! Or she will say, "I need to get you better before I agree to go in the bedroom, I just met you and do not know you!
Then you have to pay her $500 or she will call the cops on you for assignment of prostitution! Or rape! Just ask President Trump about Stormy Daniels!! Or the **** will come back later and break your windows or key your car at night! Or enter your house!But she knows you well enough to take money ($500 or more) from you doesn't she? I say again. Fuck that! No gash no cash! WTF do you think this is?
FilthyBeaver
01-22-25, 15:44
Here's an example. I see seeking girl, I text seeking girl, we move ro whatsapp. I say I want our time together to feel like a date with examples of what a date is to me. I ask her what she might want for such things. She'll give me a number or ask me to propose. I then tell her if we vibe and head back to my place I'll give her something extra.
We go out, I give her the money before she asks and we either peck good night or go back to my place to fuck in which case I give her the money before she leaves. It's really that simple but there is game and being able to read her involved so it's not an exact science.
Again, this is mostly overseas because I'm usually paying 400+/ day to be wherever I'm at (not including food) and I don't want to waste my time with a maybe.
To be fair my last liason wasn't so cut and dry I think I posted it but I'll summarize it again. Met on a sugar site. I said I wanted a date, she said she only wanted sex for money. I'd been in the country for 4 days without a hit so that's about $1600 in expenses that don't include pussy. I asked to see her pic, she was hot as fuck and I was horny so I agreed to meet. She let me propose the amount as every girl has in that country. We meet in the lobby, instant chemistry, locked eyes, big smiles, the whole bit. She hung out for about 4 hrs. Next day she hung out for about 8 hrs, spent the next 6 days together traveling all over the country on a complete whim. Gave her 500 first day, 500 second day and 500 on the last day and she didn't want to take it. Not in a million fucking years would I have been able to expect anything like this to happen on a sugar site.
Oh and BTW, she's flying to my house in the near future and staying for an entire month. No money discussed but I'll give her something just so she doesn't need to ask me to buy this or that.
I do have plenty of one night stands while traveling. At the end of the day, they all want long term but there are a lot more travellers than guys wiling to commit to them long term so they compromise. Every woman on the planet wants stability and a nice guy. Everything else is negotiable. If you have a big hairy wort growing out the tip of your nose you may need to negotiate a little harder or pay a little more but you'll find someone if you've got the money and aren't an asshole.
Wait, so you DO actually volunteer her dinner fee, and with 200 usd already in her purse she still chooses to fuck you for maybe $300 more?! Even knowing that you're a tourist, so it's likely a one-time thing?
Was she open to sex when you first messaged her? For example, she says "I just want to meet at your hotel. " Then you say, "No, I'd like to start with dinner and I'll give you 200 just for your time, plus more if we have sex."
How many times have you done this money under the napkin thing successfully? What countries, locations and approx how old were your dates?
If an average American tourist texted a random hot college girl on a sugar site saying "I'll give you $200 for a dinner date at Michelin3, plus more $$ if we have sex," I'm nearly certain he won't get sex. Am I wrong? I feel that there's some secret sauce here, absent which first timers are going to get many dinners and no pussy.
NeilGeorge
01-22-25, 22:43
We go out, I give her the money before she asks and we either peck good night or go back to my place to fuck in which case I give her the money before she leaves... If you have a big hairy wort growing out the tip of your nose you may need to negotiate a little harder or pay a little more but you'll find someone if you've got the money and aren't an asshole.Sounds like you give them money just to meet. You must have a hairy wart on your nose. I never had to pay them to meet. Ever. Never will. I pay for the meal and that's it. Its like a job interview, the interviewer's do not get paid to show up. They are looking for an opportunity.
Remember, your time must be worth more than theirs if they expect you to help them financially.
FilthyBeaver
01-23-25, 02:27
There is no better way to get a girl into bed than a mind blowing tasting menu. I've done it countless times and it never fails.
If an average American tourist texted a random hot college girl on a sugar site saying "I'll give you $200 for a dinner date at Michelin3, plus more $$ if we have sex," I'm nearly certain he won't get sex. Am I wrong? I feel that there's some secret sauce here, absent which first timers are going to get many dinners and no pussy.
Elvis 2008
01-23-25, 02:55
And if we do meet again, it's usually worse than the first time both in terms of connection and sex.The times I let a SB back into my life, I regretted it. At first, I was like. Oh she is so nice, hot, and great in bed. Why did I leave her? And after that, I was like, oh yeah, now I remember. It would always be some combo of a greedy, BSC druggie.
When I stay in touch, many try to hit me up for money, or a hotel booking, or rent payment etc. Like in that Ho Tactics book.
Plus, unless she is a pro sugar baby, most regular girls have tight schedules with school and work so they can't usually go with me when / where I want.
Do you find similar?
BTW, part of the reason I ask these questions is for the benefit of lurkers and first timers who might be learning from this forum.So this is the part of being a SD that I went through in the beginning and had to learn to get better at. So let's say you make low to middle six figures a year. Unless you have a huge amount of assets and / or are perfect in every other way, you are not that special and a woman is going to be more interested in the gift you can give than you.
If a guy is worth a $100 million plus, the woman is not going to pull this I have work or school crap. She has to eat and sleep and she will eat and sleep with that guy, and she will fuck the shit out of him to have a chance at that guy. Because if she does not do it, she knows another hot woman will.
The point is not to have $100 million but to get what he has. The woman is fucking him out of genuine burning desire, GBD. She is fucking you for money. She is treating him like an alpha seed.
If you are saying, "Oh, I understand baby, I wish you well in school or at work", you are a beta needs guy. You are letting a hooker off by buying her bullshit line and not making her feel like a hooker, and you are lying to yourself and saying she is not a hooker. She has to sleep, and she has to eat. Why is she not doing that with you?
There is nothing wrong with seeing a hooker as long as you know that is what she is.
And if you respond to the hooker as an alpha and give the impression she is a hooker, there is a chance she will not care but there is also a chance that she will respond in a non hooker way and actually try to prove to you she is not one. You do not even have to say anything. You just act like what she is saying is total bullshit. It is the same with the sick father / mother / kid bullshit excuse. You do not say "Oh, I am sorry about your dad. " You act like they are full of shit because they usually are. If they are not full of shit, they will respond like this, "My father is sick, but I can see you later. ".
Accepting the bullshit excuse of women is a beta act. This is the video on being an alpha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk5cB_wZRV4.
And the one being a beta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG_Kp61sdsQ.
The goal of having a SB is to get one who wants to fuck you and has GBD or genuine burning desire to do so. The money is a gift to help her out and not payment for sex. I repeat there is nothing wrong with seeing a hooker as long as you know that is what you are doing.
NeilGeorge
01-23-25, 14:17
Plenty of American women will happily eat the food and down the drinks that you paid for, then expect you to pay them "for her time" that she just spent enjoying a meal that she ate for free on your dime. Then split with a smile on her face, your food and drink in her belly, and your cash in her purse. And the next day tell her best friends how she made out without having to put out. And then go bang some guy she likes for free! That's what being a "gentleman" gets you from a typical, self-entitled gringa full of herself. Well fuck that! I would rather just "regular" date then. Or even better than that fuck young, hot prostitutes. That pretty tute got what she wanted (money), and I got what I wanted (puss and ass). All the dinner dating stuff I can take it or leave it. The fact of the matter is that I have indeed had many dinner dates with the working girls. I don't mind it when I know I'm going to be tapping that ass later (and she knows it too). No games! I'm just not up to letting gringas play me with "her time is valuable" bullshit. Maybe so, but my time is worth more than her inflated, delusional valuing of herself. That's for damn sure! These hoors soon learn to think again if they believe The Cane is going to give them my hard earned cash just to have them show up and have a good time eating and drinking on me. They have another think coming is what. No deal!You are goddam right Cane! My time is worth much more than those scanks! They want me to pay them money because I make much more. Probably 20 times more. So my time is worth way more than their fukking time! These stupid girls come up with stupid arguments. I agree with you 110%.
FilthyBeaver
01-23-25, 16:24
As I've said several times, I give them money to meet when I'm traveling. My time is at an extreme premium and I don't have time for a maybe or to play games. If they're hot and I want to fuck them I will pay them to show up. I do not pay to meet at home, that's stupid.
Sounds like you give them money just to meet. You must have a hairy wart on your nose. I never had to pay them to meet. Ever. Never will. I pay for the meal and that's it. Its like a job interview, the interviewer's do not get paid to show up. They are looking for an opportunity.
Remember, your time must be worth more than theirs if they expect you to help them financially.
We go out, I give her the money before she asks and we either peck good night or go back to my place to fuck in which case I give her the money before she leaves. It's really that simple but there is game and being able to read her involved so it's not an exact science.In your experience, how often does that happen (peck on the cheek and good night) versus back to the room for sexual relations?
Here's an example. I see seeking girl, I text seeking girl, we move ro whatsapp. I say I want our time together to feel like a date with examples of what a date is to me. I ask her what she might want for such things. She'll give me a number or ask me to propose. I then tell her if we vibe and head back to my place I'll give her something extra.
We go out, I give her the money before she asks and we either peck good night or go back to my place to fuck in which case I give her the money before she leaves. It's really that simple but there is game and being able to read her involved so it's not an exact science.
Again, this is mostly overseas because I'm usually paying 400+/ day to be wherever I'm at (not including food) and I don't want to waste my time with a maybe.
To be fair my last liason wasn't so cut and dry I think I posted it but I'll summarize it again. Met on a sugar site. I said I wanted a date, she said she only wanted sex for money. I'd been in the country for 4 days without a hit so that's about $1600 in expenses that don't include pussy. I asked to see her pic, she was hot as fuck and I was horny so I agreed to meet. She let me propose the amount as every girl has in that country. We meet in the lobby, instant chemistry, locked eyes, big smiles, the whole bit. She hung out for about 4 hrs. Next day she hung out for about 8 hrs, spent the next 6 days together traveling all over the country on a complete whim. Gave her 500 first day, 500 second day and 500 on the last day and she didn't want to take it. Not in a million fucking years would I have been able to expect anything like this to happen on a sugar site.
Oh and BTW, she's flying to my house in the near future and staying for an entire month. No money discussed but I'll give her something just so she doesn't need to ask me to buy this or that.
I do have plenty of one night stands while traveling. At the end of the day, they all want long term but there are a lot more travellers than guys wiling to commit to them long term so they compromise. Every woman on the planet wants stability and a nice guy. Everything else is negotiable. If you have a big hairy wort growing out the tip of your nose you may need to negotiate a little harder or pay a little more but you'll find someone if you've got the money and aren't an asshole.Much respect player!
Assuming you're from a western country, with your finances, why go abroad at all? If you're spending 400 a day to stay somewhere and another 500 for company, you can afford to pay 900/ day at home. I'm pretty sure 900/ day can buy some pretty fine pussy in most parts of the western worlds, and you don't have to bother flying anywhere. If your time is so valuable, that seems like the most reasonable option. That's what I would do.
Steve 9696
01-23-25, 21:41
Much respect player!
Assuming you're from a western country, with your finances, why go abroad at all? If you're spending 400 a day to stay somewhere and another 500 for company, you can afford to pay 900/ day at home. I'm pretty sure 900/ day can buy some pretty fine pussy in most parts of the western worlds, and you don't have to bother flying anywhere. If your time is so valuable, that seems like the most reasonable option. That's what I would do.For me it's the principal of the matter. I will not pay above $500 for a girl anywhere in the world. It's just too crazy. US is highest and Europe next but I can always find a hottie for $500 or less. So even if the math says it's the same I'the rather fly somewhere and pay less than pay over $500 in US. Just won't do it. Plus when you travel you can mix nightclubs and fuck spas and brothels in with Seeking and get the best of all worlds. Anyone who is not getting out of the US is seriously missing out.
Steve 9696
01-23-25, 22:12
For me it's the principal of the matter. I will not pay above $500 for a girl anywhere in the world. It's just too crazy. US is highest and Europe next but I can always find a hottie for $500 or less. So even if the math says it's the same I'the rather fly somewhere and pay less than pay over $500 in US. Just won't do it. Plus when you travel you can mix nightclubs and fuck spas and brothels in with Seeking and get the best of all worlds. Anyone who is not getting out of the US is seriously missing out.Forgot to mention that international girls are also much easier to find a good fit. Not fat. Not entitled. Good attitude towards sex and pleasing their man. Not afraid of PDA.
Not saying it's true everywhere. But generally the girl scene outside the US (Brazil, Spain, Thailand etc) is soooo much better. Just go on your city in the US or one you travel to and see who's got a green dot. Now go to Madrid. Holy fuck. Night and day.
For me it's the principal of the matter. I will not pay above $500 for a girl anywhere in the world. It's just too crazy. US is highest and Europe next but I can always find a hottie for $500 or less. So even if the math says it's the same I'the rather fly somewhere and pay less than pay over $500 in US. Just won't do it. Plus when you travel you can mix nightclubs and fuck spas and brothels in with Seeking and get the best of all worlds. Anyone who is not getting out of the US is seriously missing out.I guess that's where we differ, I don't travel to go to exotic places. Colombia is a dump compared to most western countries, same with Philippines. Maybe at first, you go there and experience something new and enjoy the cheap pussy. But after a while, I don't want to travel, I just do it for the cheap pussy. If I had the finances, I would just stay in the US where the girls speak english. No communication barrier, better rapport. Airports, 24 HR flights with layovers, hassle, visa extensions. All things I'd rather do without.
Forgot to mention that international girls are also much easier to find a good fit. Not fat. Not entitled. Good attitude towards sex and pleasing their man. Not afraid of PDA.
Not saying it's true everywhere. But generally the girl scene outside the US (Brazil, Spain, Thailand etc) is soooo much better. Just go on your city in the US or one you travel to and see who's got a green dot. Now go to Madrid. Holy fuck. Night and day.This is so true. I've seen seeking pages in the USA and seeking pages in Brazil and Colombia. Night and day.
FilthyBeaver
01-24-25, 01:02
In percentage terms maybe 10%. I'm extremely picky, I won't even meet with them unless I think they're hot. If their personality is a dud I wish them luck and leave.
In your experience, how often does that happen (peck on the cheek and good night) versus back to the room for sexual relations?
FilthyBeaver
01-24-25, 01:06
That's the reason. Seeing the sane shit and eating at the same restaurants with different girls gets old after a while. Everytime I travel I learn something new. Budget is only over of the problem. I'm generally very unimpressed with the selection in my city so if I want Asians I go to Asia, if I want a slav (my present fettish) I go to Europe.
Much respect player!
Assuming you're from a western country, with your finances, why go abroad at all? If you're spending 400 a day to stay somewhere and another 500 for company, you can afford to pay 900/ day at home. I'm pretty sure 900/ day can buy some pretty fine pussy in most parts of the western worlds, and you don't have to bother flying anywhere. If your time is so valuable, that seems like the most reasonable option. That's what I would do.
FilthyBeaver
01-24-25, 01:09
Well said. The US is sex he'll. Why it's so holy and people give a shit about who you fuck I will never understand and don't tell me we're all still the same lame puritans that founded the country. It's politics and I'm better than thou. Thou can fuck off. If you're not seeing the world you're missing out on way more than pussy.
Forgot to mention that international girls are also much easier to find a good fit. Not fat. Not entitled. Good attitude towards sex and pleasing their man. Not afraid of PDA.
Not saying it's true everywhere. But generally the girl scene outside the US (Brazil, Spain, Thailand etc) is soooo much better. Just go on your city in the US or one you travel to and see who's got a green dot. Now go to Madrid. Holy fuck. Night and day.
NoBuglyFitches
01-24-25, 03:34
There is no better way to get a girl into bed than a mind blowing tasting menu. I've done it countless times and it never fails.How many times exactly if I may ask? For example, in the past two years, how many times have you done this money-under-the-dinner-napkin thing? What age groups? What countries / cities? Success rate? Thanks again for taking the time to describe your method!
FilthyBeaver
01-24-25, 05:11
Home girls excluded (I've been with her for more than 18 mo now but we still do it semi-regularly as a fun date). So we are only talking about my travels for fun. I've done it with every girl I've met, 2-3/ trip, 2-3 trips / yr. I won't tell you where because that may help someone make me. I will say I like Europe. No one over 26, all but 1 were legit college students. I banged all of them but some with more enthusiasm than others. I don't do escorts, prostitutes or massage parlors unless I'm in Asia where everything is one big blurry line.
The restaurant can be a massive icebreaker. If you have absolutely nothing in common 1) you can always talk about the course and the next and the next 2) I guarantee she's never done anything like it before 3) if she knows you can spring that much on a dinner and give her whatever you agreed to she's going to want you in her contacts list.
Almost all have sent me messages after we've split thanking me for the experience and how they'd love to see me again and I know god damn well it's not because of my good looks. And as I've already said at least twice I have one coming to me for a month to continue where we left off.
Note: I've never claimed this is cheap or I can get this for that. This is what I do. Do with the info what you will. I couldn't care less about the money. If one girl wants a couple hundred more than another girl it's not going to affect my life one bit and if I want to fuck her I'll pay it in a heartbeat. The money means a lot more to her than it does to me.
How many times exactly if I may ask? For example, in the past two years, how many times have you done this money-under-the-dinner-napkin thing? What age groups? What countries / cities? Success rate? Thanks again for taking the time to describe your method!
NeilGeorge
01-24-25, 22:24
The restaurant can be a massive icebreaker...
I couldn't care less about the money. If one girl wants a couple hundred more than another girl it's not going to affect my life one bit and if I want to fuck her I'll pay it in a heartbeat. The money means a lot more to her than it does to me.1. The restaurant is a qualifying step. Like an interview for a job. Evaluate her body mass index. Use your penile erection for that. If no erection in the restaurant, she's not worth taking home. Disqulify the ones who are not worth $$ or your time. Common problems: Woman is fatter than her photos. Woman has a bad attitude. Woman steals your cell phone when you turn your back (yes it has happened). Do not trust these biches. Do not go to the bathroom and leave your cell phone on the table.
2. We call care about money, because we work to get it. And that is how we value pussy. And I probably have more $$ than anyone on this site. My net worth is more than most professional athletes, because I grew up poor and appreciate the value of money. There really is an inverse relationship between price per meet and value of pussy. My best girls, that I keep around for years, one charges me $0 and I buy her clothes every other month, about $150 each time. She spent the night with me a day ago and I gave her nothing, bought her a pair of pants at a discount store and took her to a Mexican fast foot place. And I give $200 for the other two women. And I / we have the best relationship / arrangements where money is not an issue. So there is an inverse relationship between the PPM and how long you will keep them. The most transient hoors are asking the most $$ and are doing multiple guys and they will flake off and not show up if they get a higher $$ offer from someone else.
Good luck. The women are trying to ask "how much will my gift be when I meet you at the restaurant?" And I message them $0. A gift comes from non-requested generocity and is not panhandles or asked for. You men who throw money around are really stupid and poisoning the system for us ALL. Stop it.
NoBuglyFitches
01-25-25, 11:02
In your experience, how often does that happen (peck on the cheek and good night) versus back to the room for sexual relations?FB said he had a 10% fail rate but I suspect there is a key difference here.
His (and Steve's) overseas dinner dates are open to fucking from the beginning. They would meet directly at the hotel if asked. The dinner itself is not necessary to fuck them. FB and Steve, do you agree?
But the girls you (Cane) mentioned, those that ask to be paid for their time to have dinner with you, are trying to sell non-sexual companionship. So it's likely to end with a peck on the cheek and good night nearly every time.
FilthyBeaver
01-25-25, 18:03
If you believe what I give affects what you give you are completely delusional. At most, she'll demand the same from a few others and get laughed back into her place. There's no site where they collude and set prices like a pussy cartel.
I wouldn't go anywhere near a girl that would be happy with $150 worth of clothes every other month or someone who comes over for free for my charming company and dashing good looks. My standards are a hell of a lot higher than that.
Good luck. The women are trying to ask "how much will my gift be when I meet you at the restaurant?" And I message them $0. A gift comes from non-requested generocity and is not panhandles or asked for. You men who throw money around are really stupid and poisoning the system for us ALL. Stop it.
FilthyBeaver
01-25-25, 18:12
I summarized the types of girls you'll find a year or two ago on this thread, there are 4 or 5 types, only one I'm interested in. I stay away from the ones who think they'll get paid just for platonic time. So generally, yes, I won't meet them unless we've had enough discussion to be reasonably sure they're going to be willing to jump in bed. There are some duds though. I hate nose rings, I mean really hate nose rings. A girl who was otherwise really cute showed up with one and I should have cut it short after dinner but we ended up in bed anyway and I just couldn't perform. It's crazy I know but I think they're stupid and do nothing to enhance their appearance, complete opposite.
FB said he had a 10% fail rate but I suspect there is a key difference here.
His (and Steve's) overseas dinner dates are open to fucking from the beginning. They would meet directly at the hotel if asked. The dinner itself is not necessary to fuck them. FB and Steve, do you agree?
But the girls you (Cane) mentioned, those that ask to be paid for their time to have dinner with you, are trying to sell non-sexual companionship. So it's likely to end with a peck on the cheek and good night nearly every time.
If you believe what I give affects what you give you are completely delusional. At most, she'll demand the same from a few others and get laughed back into her place. There's no site where they collude and set prices like a pussy cartel.
I wouldn't go anywhere near a girl that would be happy with $150 worth of clothes every other month or someone who comes over for free for my charming company and dashing good looks. My standards are a hell of a lot higher than that.I agree with Mr. George on that one. Its sad some of you men have to pay to meet a woman. You pay for their meals at the restaurants. And some of the women order steak and lobster. They think it is a test of how generous and easy you are to get things from. And I always decline a Mooch. My standards are too high to let me pay these prostituting sluts who roam around collecting meetup fees from you dumb guys. My time is worth much more than theirs's, especially since they think I make more money than they do and can support them financially. Isn't my time worth more?? They should pay me a $200 meetup fee for my time.
I hate nose rings, I mean really hate nose rings. A girl who was otherwise really cute showed up with one and I should have cut it short after dinner but we ended up in bed anyway and I just couldn't perform. It's crazy I know but I think they're stupid and do nothing to enhance their appearance, complete opposite.I have a pink dog leash and a matching pink dog collar. For a while I would get the girls to wear the collar and clip on the leash and make them crawl on all fours into my bedroom. I should attach the leash to their nose ring and lead them to my bedroom by their nose ring!
I need to start doing that again. It teaches the hoors to be submissive and reminds me of the new Nicole Kidman "Babygirl" movie where she got down on all fours like a dog, the guy then masturbated her. Sad what they put in movies now days. I need to be more perverse.
FilthyBeaver
01-26-25, 07:44
I don't know why I keep feeding you trolls but here goes.
As a dumb guy, I can very safely say you obviously have no idea what having a sb means. If you want a prostitute go get a prostitute why are you on the seeking thread? In my entire life I have never, not once, not ever, had a date or sb or potential sb order steak and lobster. That's a cliche from 40 years ago.
And as your reading comprehension appears to need some assistance I only offer money when I'm traveling as a way to speed up the cursory BS as my time is at an extreme premium. Your time may well be more valuable than hers but she deserves way better than you. Stick to AMPS and *****houses, you'll be happier and spend less money.
I agree with Mr. George on that one. Its sad some of you men have to pay to meet a woman. You pay for their meals at the restaurants. And some of the women order steak and lobster. They think it is a test of how generous and easy you are to get things from. And I always decline a Mooch. My standards are too high to let me pay these prostituting sluts who roam around collecting meetup fees from you dumb guys. My time is worth much more than theirs's, especially since they think I make more money than they do and can support them financially. Isn't my time worth more?? They should pay me a $200 meetup fee for my time.
I agree with Mr. George on that one. Its sad some of you men have to pay to meet a woman. You pay for their meals at the restaurants. And some of the women order steak and lobster. They think it is a test of how generous and easy you are to get things from. And I always decline a Mooch. My standards are too high to let me pay these prostituting sluts who roam around collecting meetup fees from you dumb guys. My time is worth much more than theirs's, especially since they think I make more money than they do and can support them financially. Isn't my time worth more?? They should pay me a $200 meetup fee for my time.One time a woman on Seeking told me I couldn't afford her. But you see, she was the one standing there with her panties down and her hand out (metaphorically)! LMAO! And she's going to have the nerve to tell me what I can and cannot afford? GTFOH! Nobody tells me what I can and cannot afford. No, I'm the one with the money here, and you're the one in need of some. That's why you're here. The arrogance! Horny, desperate men allow themselves to be taken prey by succumbing to this kind of entitled, arrogant female behavior exhibited by attractive women who expect guys to kiss their asses to get with them. Like you said, they ought to be paying me a meet-up fee! Other than the food and drink itself, I have never paid out for a straight meet and greet. And I never will! You want that cash? Then give me that gash! What's fair is fair. I'm not going to literally pay a woman to feed her, then she goes off and fucks guys she likes for free! We're talking about being a Super Simp LOL! Not going to happen.
I have never, not once, not ever, had a date or sb or potential sb order steak and lobster. That's a cliche from 40 years ago.I did have a tute in Panama try to pull that shit one time though about 20 years ago. Tried to order expensive lobster, and I told her big ass no hahaha! She got shrimp instead. Fucked her, and the sex was good, but after she left I noticed that a tiny little bottle of alcohol (think it was Bailey's) was missing from the open-style mini bar (versus the types you can lock). That's the only time a girl, tute or other, has ever stolen from me too.
AmericanPi
01-26-25, 19:15
I agree with Mr. George on that one. Its sad some of you men have to pay to meet a woman. You pay for their meals at the restaurants. And some of the women order steak and lobster. They think it is a test of how generous and easy you are to get things from. And I always decline a Mooch. My standards are too high to let me pay these prostituting sluts who roam around collecting meetup fees from you dumb guys. My time is worth much more than theirs's, especially since they think I make more money than they do and can support them financially. Isn't my time worth more?? They should pay me a $200 meetup fee for my time.Dude I'm not sure how you are in real life but you definitely come off as combative and angry and dismissive here. This game might just not be for you.
I know it's a forum. Anything you say is true. I'm sure you're unbelievably wealthy, so charming girls buy you dinner and pay you to bed them, pick and choose girls at your personal buffet and on and on. Go ahead and say it so we can all roll our eyes.
You just bring such a negative energy here that if you're really like this is person, more than anything I just feel bad and hope you get whatever you need to find some peace and calm that pain (which I'm sure is nothing because you have everything you need and want for nothing and are the king of your domain and call all the shots. I know. We all know).
Elvis 2008
01-27-25, 02:10
If you believe what I give affects what you give you are completely delusional. At most, she'll demand the same from a few others and get laughed back into her place. There's no site where they collude and set prices like a pussy cartel.
I wouldn't go anywhere near a girl that would be happy with $150 worth of clothes every other month or someone who comes over for free for my charming company and dashing good looks. My standards are a hell of a lot higher than that.NG's guide is great if you are using seeking to get hookers. Thing I see in the responses is hostility. The guys are playing a zero sum win-lose game of hooker v. John. If you are worried about a SB prospect stealing your phone, you need to screen better. If a woman says how much to meet for dinner and you say zero to her, you are trying to win that hostile game. She is a tease. Say nothing and move on.
So I admire the guy who has a hooker he is banging at a discount. A hooker is just good in the bedroom. The best sugar babies are the best in and out of the bedroom, and that often leads to the paradox that the best sugar babies may ask for the least but get the most because if a woman is good company, you are going to spend a lot on her for dinner, trips, shows ETC.
What gets me is hearing, "well, you are still paying for it". Do you pay your doctor, lawyer, real estate agent, and your kid's teacher? If you are saying about them, I got the best doctor, lawyer ETC and brag about how little you are paying them, then I doubt you have the best.
In fact, every time a guy comes on here and brags about how little he is paying and shows a photo of a woman, my visceral response is the same. I would not fuck that woman for free.
OTOH, if a guy says, I have this great doctor or lawyer ETC and he likes to fish. He is really busy but I let him have my fishing boat when he has time, and he is always free for me and gives me a break on the price. If I am told that, maybe you do have the best doctor, lawyer ETC. That kind of relationship is friendly, mutual, sugar like, and it goes beyond just money for services.
So NG gave a great guide for banging hookers on seeking. But as a guide for landing sugar babies? Not so much. If your relationship is hostile, it is not a sugar one.
Steve 9696
01-27-25, 17:39
I am not the moderator here (Midwestern is) but I'm def one of the OG guys as is Elvis. And I think it's a shame that this forum has degenerated into criticism and name calling. Appreciate the recent post from Elvis def trying to point this the right direction. Let's contribute stories and try to make everyone here more successful at Seeking.
When I was looking to see the origins of this thread (we miss you MW!) I came across a post from me from 2020 when this thread started and I was just getting into Seeking game. Much of it still applies. Interesting that I did indeed offer a Colombian hottie $100 to cover travel costs if we didn't vibe. Haven't done that in forever but it worked out great back then and she def wasn't showing up without it. And it ended up in a threesome w her best friend for no extra charge. Sigh. Seeking is so great despite the roadblocks.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2411854&viewfull=1#post2411854.
The post I am referring to is a ways down this page. Although the Vegas story at the top is a fun read.
That's the reason. Seeing the sane shit and eating at the same restaurants with different girls gets old after a while. Everytime I travel I learn something new. Budget is only over of the problem. I'm generally very unimpressed with the selection in my city so if I want Asians I go to Asia, if I want a slav (my present fettish) I go to Europe.Thats true. I always say Asian women in the USA get overrated. I see asian 3's in the USA get drooled over. If you want asian beauty, you should go to asia. Although one thing I think really affects beauty and gives american women an edge is access to decent food. Many poor women in asian countries don't have access to decent food and end up less attractive then they could be.
DwayneJohnson
01-27-25, 20:03
Thats true. I always say Asian women in the USA get overrated. I see asian 3's in the USA get drooled over. Asians in west are overrated cause men like to imagine that those girls are not damaged by feminism (or in general Americanism).
Elvis 2008
01-27-25, 20:52
I am not the moderator here (Midwestern is) but I'm def one of the OG guys as is Elvis. And I think it's a shame that this forum has degenerated into criticism and name calling. Appreciate the recent post from Elvis def trying to point this the right direction.Yeah, my first reaction was the same as FB. I just remembered when I first started the sugar daddy game and the baby steps it took to get where I was. That telephone line really hit home for me because if you feel the need to hide your phone with a woman, you have a hooker not a SB but how long until a guy feels comfortable finding women where he can leave his phone out? There is no right answer.
I really liked this talk and the case to be made for seeing escorts is made beautifully here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z62YOHP1uc. What is more relevant to the discussion here is talk #2 and the $50,000 beer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKCg3amDDy8.
What that discussion shows is what is best for a guy is often best based on his time and how much his time is worth. There is no one best size fits all. If you get off solely on sex with a woman, then I do not know why you would want a SB over an escort. But with me over time, I wanted more than just sex. Still, even then, I enjoyed fucking the seeking escort types.
I met this stripper in Colombia from Venezuela. She was really beautiful, danced well, and she liked the sex so much that there was not the usual feeling of paying for it. I got to talking to her, and she seemed together, said she was a lawyer back in Venezuela, and showed me where she lived. It was a tiny place but when she showed me her bed, I just could not take it. My back just hurt looking at it, so I bought her a bed. I do not even remember how much it was, something like $100 or $150, and she texted me a photo when it arrived and told me how happy she was.
So we are at a point now where she can really like me as being a nice, generous guy and want to hang out with me more or think I am a sucker that she can fleece more out of it. She tried the latter approach and I spent a lot of time trying to get her to the mutualistic, sugar POV, and it was like I was talking to a brick wall. There was just one push after another for more money, and I was done being generous. My final text to her was, "I am really sorry you do not get where I am coming from. " I was kind of sad about it. You want to choose the stripper lifestyle? Really?
If I posted that here back then, I was sure I would get the usual catcalling about strippers, and how I would never do that, or I screen better ETC. You can debate what a 10 is but let's just say she was a 10 type meaning when she walked in a room every guy stopped what they were doing and stared. That quality is hard to find and spending a $150 to land a SB like that and is great in bed is not that much. So if you say, I would never do that, I would wonder if you are going after the 10 types.
About a year later, I talked to a female friend of mine who is great at giving me the woman's POV. I have noticed women are actually more realistic with relationships and when I told her about this gal, she said that this girl was too smart to not understand my offer. She said this girl thought you two were not compatible and just played dumb. She did not want to be your SB because she thought when you met the real her, you would not want to be with her. I got it immediately. She had tattoos and admitted to smoking pot but in reality, her drug use was probably worse than that. I fucked up because I did not address the self-esteem issue.
As far as the forum then, I wish we would have less of guys who say they have it all figured out (you can only have it all figured out for you) and more of I fucked up but here is what I learned and how I did better. I mean, how many 10 types have self worth issues? Like all of them right? Thing is how many guys are going to say I screwed up by buying the bed versus addressing the self esteem? I cannot recall anyone here EVER mentioning self-esteem but it affects so much.
Thing is self-esteem goes both ways. We have been trained to think the hottest women like the athletic studs or rock stars. One of the hard parts for me with my current gal was my self-esteem as in WTF are you doing with me? You can get a pro soccer player ETC. The issue with hookers is they are just there for your money, and guys get used to that. It takes a rise in your self-esteem to really believe that hot chick likes you for more than money.
And on that front, Steve, the divorce lawyer you introduced the forum to had a great talk with the psychiatrist I mentioned on that channel you listed. They talked for 3 hours and when I listened, it felt like 5 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnj_63ZHNq8.
My favorite part was the divorce lawyer had a client who totaled up the expense of his wife and the cost of each time they had sex, and the final tally was each time he had sex with her, it cost him $50,000. So on the self esteem front, do not feel like you are a loser for paying for it. Often the men who are not "paying for it" are the biggest losers going.
Mongerer88
01-27-25, 21:07
I am not the moderator here (Midwestern is) but I'm def one of the OG guys as is Elvis. And I think it's a shame that this forum has degenerated into criticism and name calling. Appreciate the recent post from Elvis def trying to point this the right direction. Let's contribute stories and try to make everyone here more successful at Seeking.
When I was looking to see the origins of this thread (we miss you MW!) I came across a post from me from 2020 when this thread started and I was just getting into Seeking game. Much of it still applies. Interesting that I did indeed offer a Colombian hottie $100 to cover travel costs if we didn't vibe. Haven't done that in forever but it worked out great back then and she def wasn't showing up without it. And it ended up in a threesome w her best friend for no extra charge. Sigh. Seeking is so great despite the roadblocks.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2411854&viewfull=1#post2411854.
The post I am referring to is a ways down this page. Although the Vegas story at the top is a fun read.It isn't just Seeking. You participate in many threads and I suspect you would agree that almost every thread has more negativism and negative posters than in years past.
Prices have gone up. I don't know if people are really spending a larger portion of their income / wealth on sex. But most people don't look at it that way. There is no fourth orifice into which to ejaculate. So they don't like paying more for the same thing. And I suppose there are retirees whose income hasn't kept up with inflation and whose wealth is depleted more each year due to spending but not earning. Personally, I have little patience with this. Young enough to fuck, young enough to still work. Another factor for the seeming bitterness of middle-aged posters is the higher travel costs. There is less business travel now. So employers are not subsidizing all this sex with airfares and hotels that are paid for by someone else. And airlines and hotels have raised the redemption levels for free travel, at the same time there are fewer spectacular offers to get miles and points for credit card sign-ups.
It is great if a guy is into high-performing slightly older ladies with a little meat on her bones. But for the guys into 18-25 year-olds, there are less of them entering the scene every year. A possible exception are South Americans both those who stay at home and those who go abroad to study, but in the Western World, the extended childhoods and the psychobabble that you don't reach adulthood until age 25 has ended the system where most everyone moved out at 18 and had to make it on their own. Some say all the youngsters went to OnlyFans, but I don't think that is the case. The youngins I see on OnlyFans are often the very Colombians who film during the day and do commercial sex in the evenings. Let's face facts. The world populace is getting older and fatter. It isn't just the commercial sex market. I stood in line a couple of hours to vote and noticed few, if any, ladies I wanted to fuck. Same thing happens in restaurants and supermarkets.
While we notice the lack of 18-25 year old women entering the industry, there are also a lack of young men in their 20's and 30's doing reports. Those reports would inevitably be favorable and bring infectious positive energy to threads. I am not sure what happened there. The media and governments have brought a lot of negative propaganda regarding sex work for years. I think some young men buy into some of that nonsense. Of course they are the most affected by the disproportionate increase in housing costs. After making rent, maybe there is just nothing left to purchase sex.
The trend away from sex at large facilities and away from large escort agencies, and toward women working independently or together in small numbers, increases the hassle factor for most guys and some of them resent it deeply. For their safety, screening is required in many situations and in practicality sex must be scheduled well in advance when dealing with a specific sex target. For Seeking in particular, any given lady can only be at one place at one time. When things go wrong, there is often no back-up plan. You just have to accept that the evening is wasted.
So many threads on John message boards have trended negative when compared to five to ten years ago. They sometimes devolve into the same angry old men complaining and complaining, and talking about the good, old days.
FilthyBeaver
01-27-25, 21:39
Great point. I in fact do have a relationship like that with my personal gp. I own a business almost everyone utilizes at some point in their lives. I do lots of stuff for him for free or almost free and in turn I get email and text message prescriptions at any time day or night and attention for whatever ailes me almost on demand. We see each other more at my business than I see him at his practice because I'm generally healthy and he needs me more that I need him. He can still hit my insurance, I don't care, I already pay for it, but to send an email on Fri night and to be able to go the pharmacy on Sat am to get my Rx is priceless to me.
OTOH, if a guy says, I have this great doctor or lawyer ETC and he likes to fish. He is really busy but I let him have my fishing boat when he has time, and he is always free for me and gives me a break on the price. If I am told that, maybe you do have the best doctor, lawyer ETC. That kind of relationship is friendly, mutual, sugar like, and it goes beyond just money for services.
Was talking to an attractive, older baby (35) the other night and she went off on the 20-something year-olds who want to charge guys ridiculous amounts of money just to meet and greet, and who even ask for as much as $1,000 per meet! She laughed at women who ask for that much, and even harder at desperate, horny men who pay that much just to meet up with a hot girl. You see, even the women with some sense know the truth. All these hoors know these asks are outrageous! Don't get "rooked" by these greedy hoors men! Don't let them take advantage of you! Remember. It isn't pussy that makes the world go around. It's money, and you my brothers are the ones carrying the money. So remember to act like it. Money rules and not pussy! You do not pay a greedy, shifty softcore hoor one thin dime just to meet and greet. Not one red cent! Not ever!
FilthyBeaver
01-28-25, 03:57
Just so I'm clear with definitions. Every girl on seeking or any sb site is a soft core hoor?
Was talking to an attractive, older baby (35) the other night and she went off on the 20-something year-olds who want to charge guys ridiculous amounts of money just to meet and greet, and who even ask for as much as $1,000 per meet! She laughed at women who ask for that much, and even harder at desperate, horny men who pay that much just to meet up with a hot girl. You see, even the women with some sense know the truth. All these hoors know these asks are outrageous! Don't get "rooked" by these greedy hoors men! Don't let them take advantage of you! Remember. It isn't pussy that makes the world go around. It's money, and you my brothers are the ones carrying the money. So remember to act like it. Money rules and not pussy! You do not pay a greedy, shifty softcore hoor one thin dime just to meet and greet. Not one red cent! Not ever!
Just so I'm clear with definitions. Every girl on seeking or any sb site is a soft core hoor?But you have to start with the assumption that she is unless and until satisfactorily proven otherwise. Unfortunately, there is no one formula for accomplishing this. Otherwise it would be easy for the daddies wouldn't it?
Steve 9696
01-30-25, 13:01
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming! 😝.
Aside from all the back and forth in here, I know many of you are out there killing it. Do tell! I was fortunate to bag a real hottie. Just my type. My few summary tips are:
The chat vibe is everything. A pro won't stick with an ongoing chat. They want to meet up right away and may respond with a word or two. A real girl will stay in girlfriend like touch. Don't over do it but chat enough to get this distinction.
Treat her like your GF and she will reciprocate. Respect will get you everywhere.
Dont pre negotiate time. Let ur vibe do the talking. We were together 6.5 hours. She will prob sleepover tonight.
Here's how it went down:
I suppose it's been 6 months or so since my last first date. I've been repeating a lot with girls I am already into. But as I have a couple days before my Brasileira arrives I'the been hitting Seeking for about a month now and trying to find a euro hottie.
I ended up with maybe 5 girls willing to meet and with price settled (250-350) but two stood out as very NON pro and just that great girlfriend vibe. Not as glam as some of the semi-pros but soooo much more engaged in the convo the true sign of a real girl.
I was darn locked up with Michaela but when she said she was going to be on her period (nice of her) I moved her to the following week and then she dropped off the schedule when Mya decided to come from Brazil to join me that week. Meantime Ariana came on strong with the sweetest little chat vibe.
She's Asian living in Europe and very much a real girl next door vibe. Almost all her pics were casual no makeup and goofy stuff. So my expectations were tempered on the physical front but was def down with her vibe.
We met up at this well reviewed sushi restaurant and WOW was I surprised when she walked in the door. Beautiful petite (but w curves) girl and an amazing alt / goth vibe while still being very classy. Really my perfect type.
Dinner itself it an amazing 7 course tasting menu but more importantly the vibe is off the charts. Her English is absolutely stunning, basically like a native speaker, so no awkward google translate. Just flows.
Thinking about all the girls I've dated, the ones I truly adored had three things in common: They were chatty, bubbly, and affectionate. And she hits it out of the park on chatty and bubbly. Affectionate? We will soon see!
After dinner, we decide to bounce to a bar about ten minutes walk. As happens when you vibe, the flow is natural. When I put my arm around her she reciprocates and leans in. Or she takes my arm as we stroll. Yep. Affectionate also. I can just feel it. At the bar, very chill vibe and we can cuddle and continue to vibe. Some dancing. Just effortless.
Guess we are about 4-5 hours in at this point, which is what I love about Seeking. No rush. No per hour fees. Just two people (with a 35 year age gap!) who really enjoy being together. But yep room time still to come! So we bounce to the hotel and right up to my room. No front desk issues (booked for two persons just in case).
In the room, the vibe is 100% comfortable. We start by making out and damn she can kiss. None of this open mouth but no tongue or the quick tongue in / out like you get w some pros. This is full-on tongue tangling, tongue sucking magic! We are super in sync on our kissing style. And passionate it is.
We have a solid one foot height differential so it's not long before I push her on her back on the bed and get on top, making out and grinding fully clothed. She's def getting worked up and I love it.
I love a slow build and getting undressed so I let her undo my belt and pull me out for some stroking while we make out. Yum. And then we get down to skivvies but still just grinding and building the anticipation. I pull her on top of me and she starts grinding like she means it! I undo her bra and find spectacular firm be cups. Super fine and I massage the fuck out of them as she grinds.
After a bit we get naked and it's on! Her BJ is super excellent. Nice ball massaging while working the shaft in mouth. Some very nice tongue wiggles at base while deep throated (uncommon!) and some amazing sloppy BLS. I reciprocate and really do some amazing DATY if I do say so myself. Can't get the crashing O but get plenty of squeaks and jerks and build up, but eventually pack in and move to fucking.
I roll her on top and we grind naked junk to lady parts, giving her the opportunity to go bare. But alas she opts for the condom option and I don't push her on this. Of course I could fuck till the cows come home after a few drinks and a condom and we do go at it for quite some time. Cowgirl, the Steve, doggie. With plenty of making out when facing each other. I love a girl who loves to kiss.
Eventually we lose the condom and go for the BJ to finish it out. Thank god her BJ is on point with the late hour and many drinks. But it is in fact epic and those tongue tricks and BLS lead to a great climax CIM. Wow. I wasn't keeping track of time but we were def at it for an hour or more!
She has several hours of work in the morning so we find her a taxi at 2:30 AM and off she goes. We plan to meetup today and stroll the city and dinner again tonight. When the chemistry is there there is no time limit. Seeking still rules if you put in the effort.
Always love your reports Steve. How about some missing specifics. 250 to 350 dollars? Or euros? At first I thought it was USD then you talk about one of the girls flying up from Brazil. Man that's a long way to go for a date. Then you switch over to an Asian living in Europe. Got my head spinning.
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming! 😝.
Aside from all the back and forth in here, I know many of you are out there killing it. Do tell! I was fortunate to bag a real hottie. Just my type. My few summary tips are:
The chat vibe is everything. A pro won't stick with an ongoing chat. They want to meet up right away and may respond with a word or two. A real girl will stay in girlfriend like touch. Don't over do it but chat enough to get this distinction.
Treat her like your GF and she will reciprocate. Respect will get you everywhere.
Dont pre negotiate time. Let ur vibe do the talking. We were together 6.5 hours. She will prob sleepover tonight.
Here's how it went down:
I suppose it's been 6 months or so since my last first date. I've been repeating a lot with girls I am already into. But as I have a couple days before my Brasileira arrives I'the been hitting Seeking for about a month now and trying to find a euro hottie.
I ended up with maybe 5 girls willing to meet and with price settled (250-350) but two stood out as very NON pro and just that great girlfriend vibe. Not as glam as some of the semi-pros but soooo much more engaged in the convo the true sign of a real girl.
I was darn locked up with Michaela but when she said she was going to be on her period (nice of her) I moved her to the following week and then she dropped off the schedule when Mya decided to come from Brazil to join me that week. Meantime Ariana came on strong with the sweetest little chat vibe.
She's Asian living in Europe and very much a real girl next door vibe. Almost all her pics were casual no makeup and goofy stuff. So my expectations were tempered on the physical front but was def down with her vibe.
We met up at this well reviewed sushi restaurant and WOW was I surprised when she walked in the door. Beautiful petite (but w curves) girl and an amazing alt / goth vibe while still being very classy. Really my perfect type.
Dinner itself it an amazing 7 course tasting menu but more importantly the vibe is off the charts. Her English is absolutely stunning, basically like a native speaker, so no awkward google translate. Just flows.
Thinking about all the girls I've dated, the ones I truly adored had three things in common: They were chatty, bubbly, and affectionate. And she hits it out of the park on chatty and bubbly. Affectionate? We will soon see!
After dinner, we decide to bounce to a bar about ten minutes walk. As happens when you vibe, the flow is natural. When I put my arm around her she reciprocates and leans in. Or she takes my arm as we stroll. Yep. Affectionate also. I can just feel it. At the bar, very chill vibe and we can cuddle and continue to vibe. Some dancing. Just effortless.
Guess we are about 4-5 hours in at this point, which is what I love about Seeking. No rush. No per hour fees. Just two people (with a 35 year age gap!) who really enjoy being together. But yep room time still to come! So we bounce to the hotel and right up to my room. No front desk issues (booked for two persons just in case).
In the room, the vibe is 100% comfortable. We start by making out and damn she can kiss. None of this open mouth but no tongue or the quick tongue in / out like you get w some pros. This is full-on tongue tangling, tongue sucking magic! We are super in sync on our kissing style. And passionate it is.
We have a solid one foot height differential so it's not long before I push her on her back on the bed and get on top, making out and grinding fully clothed. She's def getting worked up and I love it.
I love a slow build and getting undressed so I let her undo my belt and pull me out for some stroking while we make out. Yum. And then we get down to skivvies but still just grinding and building the anticipation. I pull her on top of me and she starts grinding like she means it! I undo her bra and find spectacular firm be cups. Super fine and I massage the fuck out of them as she grinds.
After a bit we get naked and it's on! Her BJ is super excellent. Nice ball massaging while working the shaft in mouth. Some very nice tongue wiggles at base while deep throated (uncommon!) and some amazing sloppy BLS. I reciprocate and really do some amazing DATY if I do say so myself. Can't get the crashing O but get plenty of squeaks and jerks and build up, but eventually pack in and move to fucking.
I roll her on top and we grind naked junk to lady parts, giving her the opportunity to go bare. But alas she opts for the condom option and I don't push her on this. Of course I could fuck till the cows come home after a few drinks and a condom and we do go at it for quite some time. Cowgirl, the Steve, doggie. With plenty of making out when facing each other. I love a girl who loves to kiss.
Eventually we lose the condom and go for the BJ to finish it out. Thank god her BJ is on point with the late hour and many drinks. But it is in fact epic and those tongue tricks and BLS lead to a great climax CIM. Wow. I wasn't keeping track of time but we were def at it for an hour or more!
She has several hours of work in the morning so we find her a taxi at 2:30 AM and off she goes. We plan to meetup today and stroll the city and dinner again tonight. When the chemistry is there there is no time limit. Seeking still rules if you put in the effort.
Steve 9696
01-31-25, 13:15
Always love your reports Steve. How about some missing specifics. 250 to 350 dollars? Or euros? At first I thought it was USD then you talk about one of the girls flying up from Brazil. Man that's a long way to go for a date. Then you switch over to an Asian living in Europe. Got my head spinning.Yeah Europe. 250€. My Asian girl went to international school and came here for her masters. She's in marketing now. Like I say the best ones are real girls with real jobs. We went out again last night and walked the city for a few hours before closing it out in the room. She left around 1 AM. And horn dog that I am I checked out the Haima clubs and pulled a Colombian hottie at 3:30. It was a good night.
In other news it's not always roses for me. Just usually. My Brazilian cancelled and I am out plane tickets. Boo. But sooo many options plus sugar babies. I will drown my sorrows in pussy. Already over it!
Every time I think I've seen it all! Was perusing the site recently when I saw a woman's profile that said she wasn't there to date, but to try to find her husband's profile on the site LOL! Her profile included a few pictures of her with the same man in them, who I assumed to be her husband. Which I have a question about since I thought the rules state that only the identity of the owner of the profile could be seen in any photos associated with the profile. In any event, guys you better cover your tracks because your wives are creating profiles and looking for you on the site! LMFAO!
Midwestern
02-01-25, 05:07
Thanks for the shoutout, Steve. And thanks for keeping this forum on point. Glad you and everyone else in here are having great successes. I don't have anything to report, but I love reading the reports.
My most recent arrangement ended this past April. We were meeting 5-8 times per month, for a year, then one day she suddenly told me she was getting married. Next day, I saw her wedding picture on her WeChat moments. I was barebacking her all the way up until she got married. Was probably my best arrangement. She was just a girl next door type, and just someone I met many years ago, and was able to convert her to a sugar babe with a ton of relentless patience. Haven't been able to get back into the saddle since.
I am not the moderator here (Midwestern is) but I'm def one of the OG guys as is Elvis. And I think it's a shame that this forum has degenerated into criticism and name calling. Appreciate the recent post from Elvis def trying to point this the right direction. Let's contribute stories and try to make everyone here more successful at Seeking.
When I was looking to see the origins of this thread (we miss you MW!) I came across a post from me from 2020 when this thread started and I was just getting into Seeking game. Much of it still applies. Interesting that I did indeed offer a Colombian hottie $100 to cover travel costs if we didn't vibe. Haven't done that in forever but it worked out great back then and she def wasn't showing up without it. And it ended up in a threesome w her best friend for no extra charge. Sigh. Seeking is so great despite the roadblocks.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2411854&viewfull=1#post2411854.
The post I am referring to is a ways down this page. Although the Vegas story at the top is a fun read.
Platypusahh
02-01-25, 09:21
Thats true. I always say Asian women in the USA get overrated. I see asian 3's in the USA get drooled over. If you want asian beauty, you should go to asia. Although one thing I think really affects beauty and gives american women an edge is access to decent food. Many poor women in asian countries don't have access to decent food and end up less attractive then they could be.I can confirm that, low quality asians in USA get overrated. Here in western China Chengdu, a lot of stunners in the streets. However women are not as desperate.
Elvis 2008
02-01-25, 13:33
My most recent arrangement ended this past April. We were meeting 5-8 times per month, for a year, then one day she suddenly told me she was getting married. Next day, I saw her wedding picture on her WeChat moments. I was barebacking her all the way up until she got married. Was probably my best arrangement. She was just a girl next door type, and just someone I met many years ago, and was able to convert her to a sugar babe with a ton of relentless patience. Haven't been able to get back into the saddle since.MW, when I was married and on seeking, the discussions of my SBs having BFs were much more honest. Obviously, I was still sleeping with my wife and they felt more comfortable sharing if they were sleeping with someone else too.
The funny part is one SB had a 10 type BF who was constantly being hit on by other women. The SB said, "If he cheats on me, I will cut his dick off. " I suspect she had said this before amongst her GFs and gotten a chorus of "you go girl". With me, the line got a belly full of laughter and she asked why I was doing this. I said, "Because you are fucking me" and her jaw dropped as she hemmed and hawed as to why her fucking me was okay but his fucking others was not.
I have to laugh as to this woman's morals, fucking a guy all through the courtship process but breaking it off when married. That is your definition of moral? Really? If I were to learn of a wife doing that, I hope I would say, "Well, why stop now? How about you take the money he is paying you and buy me a wardrobe of new suits? But from what I have seen, most women cannot turn on and off their passion. They are going to fuck with passion the men they are more into and so it was with my SB. When she was dating her BF, our sessions were much less passionate than before they hooked up.
NoBuglyFitches
02-01-25, 15:40
Yeah Europe. 250. My Asian girl went to international school and came here for her masters. She's in marketing now. 250 euros seems low. You offered 250 and she accepted or was there some offer, counter-offer type game? What part of Europe?
My most recent arrangement ended this past April. We were meeting 5-8 times per month, for a year, then one day she suddenly told me she was getting married. Next day, I saw her wedding picture on her WeChat moments. I was barebacking her all the way up until she got married.Sounds like she was unfaithful to you and her fiancé. Playing you both! You know she was screwing her future husband! Did you get her to sign a written consent and exclusivity agreement? If so you might get her to pay the cost of VD testing. Now you need to get yourself tested for STDs, herpes and hiv, since she was a proven double barebacker.
After I cum, we are laying side by side I go to take the condom off and its not there! WTF? I go uh oh baby I seem to have lost something. She doesn't panic at all. She hops up, goes to the bathroom, and comes back bubbly as can be: "Yep, it was just inside. Theres cum in it so we should be good. But if you want I'll get a morning after pill, they cost like $40 if you don't mind paying -- I'll send you a pic of the receipt".Thats an old trick to get another $40 from you. They also keep your number and call you a couple months later and say they missed their period and tested pregnant with a pee on the stick, and need $1,000 for an abortion! And of course they are not pregnant, just want the wire of $1,000 as their tip! And many guys do that because they do not want a baby.
All these Vegas hoors are on the pill, the shot, an IUD and probably all sterile anyway from gonorrhea!
NoBuglyFitches
02-01-25, 17:55
They are going to fuck with passion the men they are more into and so it was with my SB. When she was dating her BF, our sessions were much less passionate than before they hooked up.I second that. I experienced the same with my SB after she'd apparently met someone.
I experienced the same with my SB after she'd apparently met someone.The women get more hurried and want to leave earlier as time goes on and the original connection wears down. You find out that it's all about the money and they try to get you to cum faster and they split quicker. That's when it's time to broom them permanently and get another!
NeilGeorge
02-02-25, 17:52
Thats an old trick to get another $40 from you. They also keep your number and call you a couple months later and say they missed their period and tested pregnant with a pee on the stick, and need $1,000 for an abortion! And of course they are not pregnant, just want the wire of $1,000 as their tip! And many guys do that because they do not want a baby.
All these Vegas hoors are on the pill, the shot, an IUD and probably all sterile anyway from gonorrhea!Another Vegas trick is the girls excuse themselves to go to the bathroom. Then they come out and announce, I just started my period! You are supposed to be confused. The girl then says, I can't have sex then, but you have to pay me for coming here! If they do not get money they start screaming.
Steve 9696
02-02-25, 20:00
250 euros seems low. You offered 250 and she accepted or was there some offer, counter-offer type game? What part of Europe?This girl was in Barcelona. She offered 250 right out the gate and I accepted since it was fair. She's not a model. More girl next door but very pretty. Mostly because she's a non-pro she offered less. But she's the perfect seeking girl. Smart. Has a job. Enjoys going out and fucking and why not get a few bucks while you're at it?
I found most girls not going below 350 in Madrid and 300 in Barcelona.
Hello, wanting to know if it's a good deal to use seeking in either city. Some reporters have said that Buenos Aires sometimes it's a hit or miss. Looking for an all day date type and overnight fun.
Elvis 2008
02-04-25, 06:57
I second that. I experienced the same with my SB after she'd apparently met someone.I didn't demand exclusivity from my SBs. A lot of guys demand exclusivity because of STDs, but I thought worrying about STDs was kind of foolish because the worst thing I ever got in the hobby was strep throat after kissing a girl which was worse than most STDs. And I thought demanding exclusivity while banging others was hypocritical and could not be enforced.
Now I wonder. As for being a hypocrite, I am paying, and we are not equal members in a relationship, so that was wrong. If she is performing less well when banging someone else, I should have thought it was not okay.
As far as enforcing the exclusivity, I could easily check if she kept her seeking profile up, pay for her phone and track where she went, and look at her social media. One SB told me every time you see a woman at a fancy restaurant or location and she is alone, she has a SD paying for things. I could not believe how many women were full of it when I looked at their social media pages. My favorite was seeing the woman who broke a date due to a sick father and seeing her on Facebook that same night with another guy at a Bruno Mars concert. I guess that was her dad and he got better really quickly and took her there.
Then there was the Julia Roberts / Pretty Woman no kissing sign. If a woman says she does not like kissing or it is icky, that is not because she does not like to kiss most times. It is because she is kissing someone else. With Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, fucking a stranger was okay but kissing him was too intimate. I think that is most women.
If I did track women and demand exclusivity, I am not sure what I would have done. Maybe not directly confront them but imply I knew they were with someone else. Is your dad any better? BTW, does he happen to be a Bruno Mars fan? Just curious.
Is it better to push or nudge someone into exclusivity, let them go, or live with it if you learn she is seeing others? I am sure it varies case by case, but I think in hindsight I probably should have made exclusivity a goal with at least some of my SBs.
Hello, wanting to know if it's a good deal to use seeking in either city. Some reporters have said that Buenos Aires sometimes it's a hit or miss. Looking for an all day date type and overnight fun.Buenos Aires is Seeking heaven. Really friendly, bubbly and easy going girls, despite the language barrier. They love USD due to currency fluctuations there, so I managed to snag 150-200 USD for a several hours (3-4) meet with real hotties. Not too sure about overnights, not my thing.
Can't see the use of seeking in São Paulo with places like Scandallo. Not worth the seeking headache of getting to know virtually / filtering out timewasters etc. Just go to Scandallo, get their numbers and ask them to spend the night with you. And besides, for some some reason, the selection in São Paulo on seeking never seemed tempting anyway.
NeilGeorge
02-04-25, 18:52
I didn't demand exclusivity from my SBs. A lot of guys demand exclusivity because of STDs, but I thought worrying about STDs was kind of foolish because the worst thing I ever got in the hobby was strep throat after kissing a girl which was worse than most STDs. And I thought demanding exclusivity while banging others was hypocritical and could not be enforced.
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As far as enforcing the exclusivity, I could easily check if she kept her seeking profile up, ...If a woman says she does not like kissing or it is icky, that is not because she does not like to kiss most times. It is because she is kissing someone else. With Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, fucking a stranger was okay but kissing him was too intimate. I think that is most women.The worst I got was scabies from Blackbeards in DR. Had to get some special lotion when I got back and use it for 2 weeks. The bugs lay eggs inside your finger joints. Never got any STDs, thank God.
Everyone has herpes, so that is a minor thing.
If the woman still has her profile up, that indicates she is still roaming. If they quote you PPM before meeting, that tells you they are a pro. I avoid these kind.
Many of the women require condoms. That is an indicator that they fuck multiple guys. If they do not kiss, that means they are not really into you, just fucking for the money. I require bareback and tell them it is exclusive only. Of course, I have 4-5 exclusives in my arrangement harem. Have never gotten any STDs.
NeilGeorge
02-04-25, 22:24
I didn't demand exclusivity from my SBs. A lot of guys demand exclusivity because of STDs...
As far as enforcing the exclusivity, I could easily check if she kept her seeking profile up...
Is it better to push or nudge someone into exclusivity, let them go, or live with it if you learn she is seeing others? I am sure it varies case by case, but I think in hindsight I probably should have made exclusivity a goal with at least some of my SBs.Ask Bill Clinton if people lie about their faithfulness. I am sure the women would lie, if pressed, as would you. There is no way of telling. You could say a friend / cousin of yours saw their profile up and you were wondering if they were still roaming around or exclusive with you. I had a SB tell that to me and of course I lied, said it must have been an old profile because men have to pay and I did not want to waste my money on that site again. LOL.
And even if you give them a car, diamond ring, they still will dump you if they want. Never trust a bar girl from the Philipines nor a women from a sex site. If you fish in a toilet you will end up with a turd!
FilthyBeaver
02-05-25, 06:39
For those of us out for GFE or the fantasy of GFE, I would guess knowing vs thinking vs assuming they were seeing other people at the same time would be some form of self protection. I think it's safe to say that none of us is special and if she met us there she would also meet others there. That's just common sense. I'm my experience, the legit college students have all been exclusive just because of their commitment to school. The non students I would believe in a heartbeat that I was just one in a rotation. I'm smart enough to not want to know the answer to that question so I don't ask but I will share the results of an std test as a subtle hint that I care enough to not fuck with her health and I hope she does the same. Maybe a huge, false assumption but don't fuck with the fantasy. If I'm otherwise happy and she's otherwise happy, again, don't fuck with the fantasy.
I do think it's not realistic to demand exclusivity if I'm not so I don't. As I write this I'm laying next to an imported SB while my regular is in the bullpen. I did decide I'd probably push for exclusivity with one of them in the near future as I complete this extended test drive but I'm having second thoughts. Don't fuck with the fantasy.
Is it better to push or nudge someone into exclusivity, let them go, or live with it if you learn she is seeing others? I am sure it varies case by case, but I think in hindsight I probably should have made exclusivity a goal with at least some of my SBs.
AmericanPi
02-05-25, 15:26
Everyone has herpes, so that is a minor thing.
.Thats just not true. It's easier to get with a condom than some of the others. But it arguably sucks way more because you can't just take a pill and have it gone.
When you date outside this world, do women just really expect you have herpes and it's no big deal because everyone has it? That's been your experience?
TedFerguson
02-05-25, 18:10
(Written Jan 9, posting late).
Wrapping up 2 months in Lisbon and the sugar dating scene, I wanted to share some of what I learned to make the overall experience more comfortable than before. Previously I stayed towards the center of Lisbon, and was upset about the crappy roads / sidewalks and poorly constructed houses. This time, I decided to rent a car and stay farther away from the center and this made the experience much better. Still have problems with the poorly insulated houses, but I started to see why people like it here.
On the sugar dating scene, I've started connecting with the girls via video call before landing at my destination. For great candidates, I typically offer a monetary gift transferred via Revolut. I got this idea from the board and used it successfully in Medellin as well. This time I landed with a solid contact in an Angolan girl, currently working but wanting to save up money so she can study. I ended up seeing this girl almost weekly during my stay and being very happy with each date. I tried this same approach in my next destination (Rio de Janeiro) and it flopped pretty badly, even eliminating some girls that may have been decent dates. So, for now I'the say this tactic is safest to use in Europe (although it worked in Medellin too).
Given the scarcity of options in Europe compared to LatAm, I've also messaged girls with only one picture (which I previously disregarded as low effort sugar babies). One of these turned out to be a hot Portuguese girl, former Instagram influencer. Once we made contact, she shared her real photos and I was pretty happy. In the future, I'll likely reach out to these lower effort profiles more often and request pictures. We had a few dates which were excellent. Portuguese girls can be quite curvy and she had one of the most phenomenal asses I've ever seen on a Caucasian girl.
Speaking of body types, I spent a month last year in Paris, Vienna, Bucharest and Athens each. During this experience, I've learned that I don't like the thin European body types. They look good in pictures and generate some initial excitement, but don't hold my interest as well as the thicker Latina (and African) body types. I'm tempted to do a month in Italy (Rome or Milan) and France (probably near Geneva) next year, but expect my tastes will not change. And I expect those destinations will be less satisfying both to live in and for the sugar dating scene than Spain / Portugal, so I'll be back there and consider the area "home" for the foreseeable future.
On a personal level, I've also been taking better care of my health, really getting into longevity medicine and following people like Bryan Johnson, Peter Attia, Siim Land. Doing blood tests every 3 months and working with a trainer / nutritionist to optimize the metrics. I haven't cracked 40 yet, but I want to be banging 20 year olds beyond my 60's and as long as possible. Good health and happiness to you all.
IWith Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, fucking a stranger was okay but kissing him was too intimate. I think that is most women.I have always found this kind of thinking to be absurd. I mean, the same woman might let you cum in her face and fuck her in the ass. But then she won't kiss because that's too intimate? Well I kind of get it. But mostly I don't. Some of these tutes watch too many (bad) movies!
Elvis 2008
02-05-25, 20:50
I do think it's not realistic to demand exclusivity if I'm not so I don't. As I write this I'm laying next to an imported SB while my regular is in the bullpen. I did decide I'd probably push for exclusivity with one of them in the near future as I complete this extended test drive but I'm having second thoughts. Don't fuck with the fantasy.The SB I was talking about having a BF I saw a long time. I saw her twice a week and gave her a few hundred but she would have had to have a mid five figure job to make the same as I was paying her. Compared to escorts, I thought it was a great deal.
And she would have been the most popular escort in town if she went that route. One of my SBs who was not as pretty did the escort route and DID become the most popular escort in town. Thing is the SB turned escort was miserable. The shit she had to put up with from guys was unreal, and she lost her kid when she became an escort. As is so often the case when you are not happy, she overspent. She told me that she was making $15 k a month but spending $16 k. I have a feeling it was actually more than that.
So that one route I thought as being open to her was not really open. She did work. On the job front, she finally found something decent but in general, low wage jobs suck.
Well, she could get another SD, but I am not sure how enjoyable that would have been. These relationships fizzle out quickly, and sometimes, the guys get weird, cheap, or unreliable. I thought it would have been a snap for her to get a SD but getting a good one would not have been so easy.
And now I think about it at her age, mid 20's, she is spending 8 to 10 hours a week with me and having her financial needs met. Was she really going to risk that on some BF?
I was much younger then and has been trained to think a woman like this was way beyond me, and she was not. Not by any means. In fact, a huge part of the issue at the time was a wife taking a chain saw to my self-esteem, and I see that with a lot of guys. It is hard to see when you are in it, but it is so obvious once it is gone.
As for the fantasy, don't you want the fantasy that she does not want any other man but you? When we talked, she talked about her BF, and it was interesting so I did not mind it, but looking back on it, he and not I was the focus of her life, and that really was not okay.
The first few women I met in South America on seeking videoed me showing me they were taking down their profile. They WANTED to have one man in their life, and after I read some studies that the government was trying to bury about how lame condoms were for STDs, I decided I wanted to go bare from then on (if the women were on birth control). The women have a sixth sense in accommodating men and I ran into almost no resistance on this issue. So yeah, the biggest hurdle to my getting BB sex was me. LOL.
And I think it could have been the same with this. Make exclusivity an expectation. I would never do it with the seeking hooker type but with a younger one with whom I had chemistry? Of course, I could have and should have. I could say "I know you are not an escort because seeking bans escorts. Thing is there are some hookers on there who bounce from bed to bed. I doubt you are a woman like that. The reason I am on seeking is to find a woman who is exclusive to me. I almost hate to ask this, but you are an exclusive girl and not a hooker right?" Put it like that and very few women will answer they are a hooker.
And women are not geared to be fucking multiple men. The worst names are used to describe such women and long term, I am not sure it is good for them to be doing it. Divorce rates sky rocket the more partners a woman has. I know it sounds like bullshit to say, "I know deep down you want to be to be exclusive with a guy and I am going to help you be like that", but I think some women would have responded to it.
The funny part about this was how MW's story reminded me of my flawed thinking. Oh, I cannot control things and was flattered the woman is willing to fuck me. Oh, I would have been a hypocrite for fucking other women and expecting her to be exclusive but now I am like, if the woman is giving her best pussy to another guy and I was giving her the money such that she has the time to do that, wasn't I a simp? I kind of think I was.
I wonder what would have happened had I changed my default settings. I changed my default from condoms to bareback and it worked great. I wonder if I checked exclusivity as my default setting what would have happened. Maybe you guys can try it and let us all know, but I think it would have enhanced my relationships. I should not have been giving these women money such that they spent it on other guys or that it enabled them to hang out with other guys.
NeilGeorge
02-05-25, 22:14
Thats just not true. It's easier to get with a condom than some of the others. But it arguably sucks way more because you can't just take a pill and have it gone.
When you date outside this world, do women just really expect you have herpes and it's no big deal because everyone has it? That's been your experience?In the United States, 50–80% of adults have oral herpes (HSV-1), and 1 in 6 people aged 14–49 have genital herpes (HSV-2). Prevalence is higher among Mexican-Americans. Co-infection with both HSV-1 and HSV-2 is rare. Its surprising because many women give blow jobs on your dick, but yet the dick does not get HIV. I am a doctor.
Elvis 2008
02-06-25, 10:35
Thats just not true. It's easier to get with a condom than some of the others. But it arguably sucks way more because you can't just take a pill and have it gone.
When you date outside this world, do women just really expect you have herpes and it's no big deal because everyone has it? That's been your experience?AP, when I did a STD test, I tested + for HSV 1. Like NG mentioned, I knew about the 50 to 80% stat and was not surprised by at all. I have not even had a cold sore I can remember but given how many years I was in the hobby, it would have been a surprise if it were negative.
Still, I got this bold note on the testing, YOU NEED TO SEE YOUR DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY! So I get why there is hysteria, I just was not sure where it came from. I found an article that did a good job tracing the HSV origins.
https://slate.com/technology/2019/12/genital-herpes-stigma-history-explained.html
According to Guinan, she was also roped into appearing on an episode of The Phil Donahue Show in which Donahue accused Guinan of "covering up" the herpes epidemic as the live studio audience heckled her.
Yeah, it was all Phil Donahue's fault. That bastard!
When I came out with my sugaring life style to people, there was a positive feeling of whatever makes you happy makes us happy but a negative one of envy as well. I probably should have been less open than I was, certainly about the amount of sex I was having.
Thing is the couples who married in the 1950's and early 60's had to be careful about her getting pregnant. The pill comes out in the early 60's, and in a few years, everyone is fucking like bunnies. You can imagine the people who missed out on the free love era were not happy and maybe a little envious.
If a guy is getting laid and the other one is not, the one not getting sex will often bring up diseases. Similarly, the people having less sex or fewer partners wanted there to be consequences for those having more sex, and herpes was latched onto as punishment for sexual promiscuity.
And that is how a little painful blister that was viewed as trivial in the medical profession in the 1960's became associated with "being diseased" and an epidemic in the 1980's. If only those free love children had been a little more discreet, we might have avoided this.
I know you might not feel comfortable with this. The harder something is drilled into your head, the more difficult it is to let go of. But with herpes, it is not what the women think but what we know that matters. It is really not a big deal.
Steve 9696
02-06-25, 22:52
My trip ended up being a nice blend of clubs and Seeking-type interactions. See the Madrid and Barcelona sections for the full reports. Some pretty epic stuff.
A few summary thoughts in the context of Seeking. First. I wrote about my first date with Ariana below. I ended up having three more dates with her including a helicopter ride for her birthday. We spent anywhere between 10-16 hours together each day. I did buy her presents and take her nice places. Honestly that's the way it should be. If you want to be a salt daddy then go for it. But it's way more fun being a sugar daddy if you can afford it and I can.
I also had an 11 hour Seeking-like date with a girl I met at Vive. Absolute stunner. Top five girls ever for looks including possibly best body ever. Its not everyday you can pull a club girl or a pro off the books and have a real date. I've done it a few times and honestly it's been amazing each time, this one included. They soooo much appreciate being treated like a GF and not an object. And they pay it forward in spades. Such a stunner and an amazing time.
I know I won't change the minds of the doubters. And really couldn't give one fuck. But if you are a lurker in here let me offer the following a few semi related pieces of advice.
1. Treat her like a hooker and she'll act like one. Treat her like a GF and she'll act like one.
2. Never make it a price and hours negotiation (or rarely). If she wants to hang with you she will. And that's the best way.
3. Confidence confidence confidence. It's the ultimate aphrodisiac. Does it take some balls to say "You should go to dinner with me. Let's meetup tomorrow. " to a club girl or pro? Yep. But if you have some game and a bit of looks you might just pull a stunner off the books. And confidence is everything st the dinner table as well. It just takes practice. It's actually a learned skill.
4. Don't treat gifts like part of a transaction fee. The allowance is for the differential in your age or looks or both. Otherwise just treat her like your GF. It's sooo much better when you don't pinch every penny and try to make it $/ fuck. They can feel the difference and ultimately your experience will be better. Plus then you get sexy photo follow-ups!
Good luck out there! PS Spain rules esp if u like Latinas.
Midwestern
02-09-25, 13:12
Totally agree with you. I don't expect exclusivity from an SB whatsoever.
This is someone who I met about seven years ago. She worked a regular job and I tried to turn her into an SB and she was disgusted at my suggestion and deleted my contact, but after years of persistence, and eventually due to her poor economic situation, a couple of years ago she finally agreed to be my SB. It was going well, though she hated herself for being a SB, she was great in the sack. But meanwhile, since she was 26, her parents were pressuring her to get married and they found someone for her. She was devastated, but she finally did what her parents asked and we were suddenly done.
MW, when I was married and on seeking, the discussions of my SBs having BFs were much more honest. Obviously, I was still sleeping with my wife and they felt more comfortable sharing if they were sleeping with someone else too.
The funny part is one SB had a 10 type BF who was constantly being hit on by other women. The SB said, "If he cheats on me, I will cut his dick off. " I suspect she had said this before amongst her GFs and gotten a chorus of "you go girl". With me, the line got a belly full of laughter and she asked why I was doing this. I said, "Because you are fucking me" and her jaw dropped as she hemmed and hawed as to why her fucking me was okay but his fucking others was not.
I have to laugh as to this woman's morals, fucking a guy all through the courtship process but breaking it off when married. That is your definition of moral? Really? If I were to learn of a wife doing that, I hope I would say, "Well, why stop now? How about you take the money he is paying you and buy me a wardrobe of new suits? But from what I have seen, most women cannot turn on and off their passion. They are going to fuck with passion the men they are more into and so it was with my SB. When she was dating her BF, our sessions were much less passionate than before they hooked up.
I agree entirely about confidence. Too many reports here scream of the Cheap Charlie that is fearful of putting out money. Part of confidence is the attitude that you have so much money that what you give her does not matter, or at least you don't expect reciprocity. Sure, there are a few women that will take what you give and treat you like a chump. It takes a little game to spot these women and to avoid them. But for many women, the prospect of a much bigger payoff, gets them to play the long game. This allows both parties to relax since both sides will get what they want. The women will get paid and the man will get a genuine experience.
That being said, I recently can across an older, but very pretty and fit woman, who happens to be quite wealthy. I did not know this and expected it to be a SD relationship. We did not have sex right away, but then again she was not expecting me to pay all the bills. So, I decided to play the long game and see where this leads to. After a few "dates" she got a bit tipsy after a few drinks and a smoke and boy was she horny. We were dancing a bit in an upscale club and before you know it she was all over me. I pretty much knew that was going to be the night. What I thought was going to be a few hours turned into a weekend of debauchery. I'm not the perfect lover with the perfect looks, but when a woman trusts you and feels safe she will let down her guard. And if she is emotional, she will seek pleasure just like any man. It's a heck of an ego boost when she whispers in your ear: "when you are ready, I'd like to go again. ".
My trip ended up being a nice blend of clubs and Seeking-type interactions. See the Madrid and Barcelona sections for the full reports. Some pretty epic stuff.
A few summary thoughts in the context of Seeking. First. I wrote about my first date with Ariana below. I ended up having three more dates with her including a helicopter ride for her birthday. We spent anywhere between 10-16 hours together each day. I did buy her presents and take her nice places. Honestly that's the way it should be. If you want to be a salt daddy then go for it. But it's way more fun being a sugar daddy if you can afford it and I can.
I also had an 11 hour Seeking-like date with a girl I met at Vive. Absolute stunner. Top five girls ever for looks including possibly best body ever. Its not everyday you can pull a club girl or a pro off the books and have a real date. I've done it a few times and honestly it's been amazing each time, this one included. They soooo much appreciate being treated like a GF and not an object. And they pay it forward in spades. Such a stunner and an amazing time.
I know I won't change the minds of the doubters. And really couldn't give one fuck. But if you are a lurker in here let me offer the following a few semi related pieces of advice.
1. Treat her like a hooker and she'll act like one. Treat her like a GF and she'll act like one.
2. Never make it a price and hours negotiation (or rarely). If she wants to hang with you she will. And that's the best way.
3. Confidence confidence confidence. It's the ultimate aphrodisiac. Does it take some balls to say "You should go to dinner with me. Let's meetup tomorrow. " to a club girl or pro? Yep. But if you have some game and a bit of looks you might just pull a stunner off the books. And confidence is everything st the dinner table as well. It just takes practice. It's actually a learned skill.
4. Don't treat gifts like part of a transaction fee. The allowance is for the differential in your age or looks or both. Otherwise just treat her like your GF. It's sooo much better when you don't pinch every penny and try to make it $/ fuck. They can feel the difference and ultimately your experience will be better. Plus then you get sexy photo follow-ups!
Good luck out there! PS Spain rules esp if u like Latinas.
Sure, there are a few women that will take what you give and treat you like a chump. Taking girl shopping is not as straight forward as one think. Often the store will take advantage of the situation you are in so one needs to be prepared to handle those.
Taking girl shopping is not as straight forward as one think. Often the store will take advantage of the situation you are in so one needs to be prepared to handle those.Her take on the mentality of Ukrainian women applies to many a sugar baby: https://youtu.be/5KcIeCh-cus?si=L1IreAl14-S0rUOy.
Exclusivity on Seeking that's funny, they probably also believe when a woman tells them they have a brand they work on or they donate their money to animals in need. I find older men to be more gullible when it should be younger men that are less experienced. Yes there are some wonderful women on Seeking, but you should always expect them to say what you want to hear. Stay smart, don't fall in love, and have a great time.
Elvis 2008
02-11-25, 04:41
I find older men to be more gullible when it should be younger men that are less experienced. don't fall in love.Seeing as you are so far from naive, Josh, do you think your not falling in love with seeking women is the quality you have experienced is sub par or do you think it is because of your amazing self control?
The exclusivity I was talking about was not some random hooker but a woman a guy sees on a regular basis. If there is a dip in her performance, there is a pretty good chance that she has another guy she has started fucking and whatever price you agreed on, you are getting less for your money.
And yes, when you meet some women, they will fuck just as many guys as before they met you no matter what they say. Some already planned on fucking just you, but there are some women, a lot in fact, that are on the fence and what keeps them from fucking other men is they are putting at risk the reward that you are giving them.
So the goal is not exclusivity or honesty or love but continued great sexual performance. So when you are banging the head cheerleader on a regular basis and she is thinking about getting back with the QB, she hesitates a little because of the expected exclusivity with you. You know what it is like banging the head cheerleader after she saw the QB for a late night fuckathon? You know what I mean by that dip in desire and performance right Josh?
Or is the sex you are having with seeking women so fucking amazing it never takes a dip? Yeah, I bet that is it.
Steve 9696
02-11-25, 20:08
Afraid this may come off as bragging but that is not the intent. Rather, I want to express how grateful I am for true Seeking GFE and tell any guy here it's completely possible to do as well as I did this past year if you put in the time, find the gems, and treat them like GFs. The below are the major relationships I had last year and doesn't count the myriad of one or two day affairs.
Wound it down with my mistress and she moved out. Damn that was painful. Still love that girl but it was not meant to be.
Picked up a new home girl who was often DTF but frustrated by my I consistency due to travel and me distracted by her not being a big BJ girl. So it was great for several months but always on the prowl.
Found a new home girl and trained her up. Still going strong whenever I'm in town.
On the travel front I had three long term home runs:
M. Brasilian living in Rio. Met two years ago now. Flew her to So Paulo for three days, Barcelona for five, and then spent three days in Rio together. Total GFE and affection. Still a thing.
L. Mexican living in Dallas. Met in April. Flew her to Las Vegas in May. Spent time in Dallas in the fall. Dancing Queen. We dance for hours. Still a thing.
T. Mixed race girl living in Milan. Met in Milan. Spent time together in Rome. Flew her to Prague for 5 days. In the wind.
There were tons of other girls and clubs. But to think I could find three girls that I want to spend days at a time with is just stunning. Plus my home girl! It was a banner year. Thank you Seeking. And my undying thanks to the girls I e shared time with.
PS for the guys about to say it’s much easier with dark and mixed race girls I will simply say Yep. 100% true. Thankfully I have no interest in pasty white girls. Latinas. Jungle Asians. Mixed. Black. That’s my thing and happy Seeking slants my way.
DwayneJohnson
02-11-25, 21:18
M. Brasilian living in Rio. Met two years ago now. Flew her to So Paulo for three days, Barcelona for five, and then spent three days in Rio together.
L. Mexican living in Dallas. Met in April. Flew her to Las Vegas in May.
T. Mixed race girl living in Milan. Met in Milan. Spent time together in Rome. Flew her to Prague for 5 days. .To some it's taking sand to beach and to some it's Epsteinesque elite lifestyle of trafficking for a weekend. YMMV, good to know you are leaving white girls for rest of us.
Good to know you are leaving white girls for rest of us.I know that's right LMAO! I want that "paste" with a bright pink butt hole between those alabaster cheeks hahahaha! Anyone have a lot of experience using Seeking in Germany? I plan to go there later this year and would like to have more opportunities for sex with attractive German girls. I love the FKKs and the Romies, but really want more of the "indigenous" German arsch as well. Come on somebody has to know something about Seeking in Germany! Do tell.
VanessasClient
02-12-25, 08:29
Totally agree with you. I don't expect exclusivity from an SB whatsoever.
This is someone who I met about seven years ago. She worked a regular job and I tried to turn her into an SB and she was disgusted at my suggestion and deleted my contact, but after years of persistence, and eventually due to her poor economic situation, a couple of years ago she finally agreed to be my SB. It was going well, though she hated herself for being a SB, she was great in the sack. But meanwhile, since she was 26, her parents were pressuring her to get married and they found someone for her. She was devastated, but she finally did what her parents asked and we were suddenly done.I think anyone who expects exclusivity from a prostitute, is the same person who is playing a game of rugby with a hockey stick. A prostitute's number 1 motivation is ALWAYS money; that's why she is working that particular job. If her most important motive was sexual gratification, fame from being a well known porn star, or revenge against a lover / ex lover, then she could have sex with as many guys as possible for free; without bringing money into the equation. Sure, she can have secondary motives, but by very definition, money will ALWAYS surpass all other motives.
Thus leaves the question: if more than one customer is willing to pay, then what is the incentive to be exclusive with anyone? She is trying to make as much money as possible; she's not trying to reduce her income potential by staying with only 1 guy. Why would a drug dealer only sell his goods to the richest guy in town, when the 2nd richest guy in town still has more than enough money to pay $100 for a gram of cocaine? You really think the dealer is going to approach the richest guy and say "All right, I'm raising your price to $130 a gram, because I know the 2nd richest man in town can't afford that. And to top it all off, I'll make only $130 a day by selling to 1 person, instead of $200 by selling to 2 people!"
People who think like that are playing the wrong game. Sex worker / client relations are held together by money. The divorce rate in the USA is about 50%. If love cannot ensure exclusivity, then why would a business woman who never took the vow of "till death do us part" even consider a concept like that? No matter how much money is offered, chances are the sugar daddy is not living with the woman long term, and would never have the time to observe all of her movements to verify that she was not "cheating. " And even if so, the only thing the daddy could do to enforce it is cut off the money supply. Since the woman can always find another daddy who has money, then she has no fear of punishment, and therefore all the reason not to be exclusive.
NeilGeorge
02-12-25, 10:01
I think anyone who expects exclusivity from a prostitute, is the same person who is playing a game of rugby with a hockey stick. A prostitute's number 1 motivation is ALWAYS money; ..
Thus leaves the question: if more than one customer is willing to pay, then what is the incentive to be exclusive with anyone? She is trying to make as much money as possible; she's not trying to reduce her income potential by staying with only 1 guy.
Sex worker / client relations are held together by money....sugar daddy is not living with the woman long term, and would never have the time to observe all of her movements to verify that she was not "cheating. " And even if so, the only thing the daddy could do to enforce it is cut off the money supply. Since the woman can always find another daddy who has money, then she has no fear of punishment, and therefore all the reason not to be exclusive.I have a Sugar Baby who was a strip / pole dancer when younger. I met her on Seeking, about 5 years ago. She has code words she uses, says she is going to an "Antique Auction" when she travels to other cities looking for new Johns and an "Antique Sale" and is looking for "Antiques". Its pretty clear to me that she is doing multiple older guys, she enjoys the sex more than I do. And is very talented at it!!
Elvis 2008
02-12-25, 21:26
Ancheating. And, the only thing the daddy could do to enforce it is cut off the money supply. Since the woman can always find another daddy who has money, then she has no fear of punishment, and therefore all the reason not to be exclusive.If you want to make your relationship all about money, the women will likely accommodate you. If you talk money before you meet the girl, you will never get laid for free. If you reach for a condom when you want sex, you will never get BB sex. If you tell her it is okay that she is fucking other guys, she will likely do so.
If you think that a woman is into you for more than just $, you might be right. If you do not bring up price, maybe she fucks you nothing. If you do not go for a condom, maybe you get BB sex. If you indicate to a woman that you are not okay with her fucking other guys, maybe she is exclusive to you.
I think anyone who expects exclusivity from a prostitute, is the same person who is playing a game of rugby with a hockey stick.You are not playing the game. You are conceding defeat.
FilthyBeaver
02-13-25, 05:53
This is more of an observation than a criticism but why wouldn't you give a girl half your age (or more) something when she spends time with you? You're obviously on different planets financially and she'll really appreciate it at a minimum, who knows what kinds of doors it will open with her. The money probably doesn't mean anything to you but it means a lot to her. Why is that a bad thing? You guys calling the girls hoors pr whatever are missing the point. If you want free pussy date your own age or build a time machine and walk through it. Aside from that the quickest way to get it is a quid pro quo. If you're proud about getting a girl half your age for a dinner or a trip to Walmart that's great for you but that doesn't work for me and I would never brag about it.
Not about you Elvis, just an observation on the last few posts.
If you want to make your relationship all about money, the women will likely accommodate you. If you talk money before you meet the girl, you will never get laid for free. If you reach for a condom when you want sex, you will never get BB sex. If you tell her it is okay that she is fucking other guys, she will likely do so.
If you think that a woman is into you for more than just $, you might be right. If you do not bring up price, maybe she fucks you nothing. If you do not go for a condom, maybe you get BB sex. If you indicate to a woman that you are not okay with her fucking other guys, maybe she is exclusive to you.
You are not playing the game. You are conceding defeat.
FilthyBeaver
02-13-25, 05:55
It's not very good. I did hit a very expensive home run in Frankfurt and met an otherwise fuckable girl in Munich that I didn't fuck, just had dinner, but it was a hell of a lot of work as the pool is small and there are just as many time wasters as there are in the states.
I know that's right LMAO! I want that "paste" with a bright pink butt hole between those alabaster cheeks hahahaha! Anyone have a lot of experience using Seeking in Germany? I plan to go there later this year and would like to have more opportunities for sex with attractive German girls. I love the FKKs and the Romies, but really want more of the "indigenous" German arsch as well. Come on somebody has to know something about Seeking in Germany! Do tell.
Elvis 2008
02-13-25, 18:26
This is more of an observation than a criticism but why wouldn't you give a girl half your age (or more) something when she spends time with you? You're obviously on different planets financially and she'll really appreciate it at a minimum, who knows what kinds of doors it will open with her. The money probably doesn't mean anything to you but it means a lot to her. Why is that a bad thing? You guys calling the girls hoors pr whatever are missing the point. If you want free pussy date your own age or build a time machine and walk through it. Aside from that the quickest way to get it is a quid pro quo. If you're proud about getting a girl half your age for a dinner or a trip to Walmart that's great for you but that doesn't work for me and I would never brag about it.
Not about you Elvis, just an observation on the last few posts.FB, first off, everything I mentioned, I have gotten. Except for the BB sex, it was a minority of women I saw though. This was not by some grand plan but trial and error. I literally slept with women and price did not come up. If I liked the woman, I actually would not give her payment and typically spent way more on her than the hooker types in the long run. It would almost have been an insult to have paid her in some cases.
As for the women I was not interested in as SB, I would insist they take payment even if they did not want to. My message was this is P4P even if you do not want it to be.
But yeah, the goal is to get a woman to fuck you without payment because she likes you more so than getting it for free.
Steve 9696
02-13-25, 19:01
This is more of an observation than a criticism but why wouldn't you give a girl half your age (or more) something when she spends time with you? You're obviously on different planets financially and she'll really appreciate it at a minimum, who knows what kinds of doors it will open with her. The money probably doesn't mean anything to you but it means a lot to her. Why is that a bad thing? You guys calling the girls hoors pr whatever are missing the point. If you want free pussy date your own age or build a time machine and walk through it. Aside from that the quickest way to get it is a quid pro quo. If you're proud about getting a girl half your age for a dinner or a trip to Walmart that's great for you but that doesn't work for me and I would never brag about it.
Not about you Elvis, just an observation on the last few posts.Not only should "getting it for free" not be the goal it is in fact counterproductive! I have made this mistake. I had a lovely non-pro that I met several times in London and elsewhere. Always did the allowance SB thing. Flew her to LA and agreed no allowance. Just covering her trip was enough. This was a big FAIL. She began acting like a GF and not in a good way. "I'm too tired". "I have a headache". All thing she's quite entitled to say as a GF not an SB.
Well I fucking learned my lesson. I don't want a girlfriend. I want an SB and that means paying is not only on the table but part of the deal so both parties are happy. No free sex for me. Thank you.
To some it's taking sand to beach and to some it's Epsteinesque elite lifestyle of trafficking for a weekend. YMMV, good to know you are leaving white girls for rest of us.It seems like you have problem with rich people and luxury girls. Do you some Post Sex PTSD by some rich escort insulting you?
Expat American
02-13-25, 20:02
Not only should "getting it for free" not be the goal it is in fact counterproductive! I have made this mistake. I had a lovely non-pro that I met several times in London and elsewhere. Always did the allowance SB thing. Flew her to LA and agreed no allowance. Just covering her trip was enough. This was a big FAIL. She began acting like a GF and not in a good way. "I'm too tired". "I have a headache". All thing she's quite entitled to say as a GF not an SB.
Well I fucking learned my lesson. I don't want a girlfriend. I want an SB and that means paying is not only on the table but part of the deal so both parties are happy. No free sex for me. Thank you.I have had a few freebies from SA. A long time ago in the US when SA was new, there were a lot of girls on there who were happy to be taken on a nice date where the guy didn't split the bill. More recently in Asia I have had several freebies. For example a married girl whose husband had cheated on her and she wanted some side fun. She had her own business and car and clearly wasn't the type to react to a hundred bucks (this is Asia not the West) that others would. Another was a Muslim girl, hyper sexual, divorced and super horny. She can't fuck local guys in her culture and I was an easy way to get her rocks off. Didn't even have to buy dinner. I don't mind paying for it, but getting it for free from a girl 30 years younger is an ego boost you have to admit. You wouldn't expect to pay a Tinder date and these girls are fucking someone for free, so why not me? I consider it a win.
DwayneJohnson
02-13-25, 20:40
It's not very good. I did hit a very expensive home run in Frankfurt and met an otherwise fuckable girl in Munich that I didn't fuck, just had dinner, but it was a hell of a lot of work as the pool is small and there are just as many time wasters as there are in the states.Yeah, EU seems to be requiring more effort and time when compared what everyone is posting about South America. Also since in Germany paid sex is easily available with large variety from FKKs to flat rates, there are less regular girls on seeking. It's mostly professionals who try to score extra money by acting like a virgin.
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