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If all accounts I'm out and moving to a different site. Not worth having my face on file. Going to nope that.Seeking cooperates with law enforcement whenever requested. I would avoid.
They are requiring this for all accounts or just new ones.
If all accounts I'm out and moving to a different site. Not worth having my face on file. Going to nope that.I think SugardaddyMeet.com (https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/?tid=af100011222-m) is doing this for new accounts, but it's still optional for now. I've had an account with SDM and Seeking for a few years, usually just pay-up for a month if there's a girl I want to get her contact into. Didn't to get verified on SDM last month, will see if Seeking wants my photo next time.
The new verification system works like this. You click on the link in Seeking and your phone takes a comprehensive scan of your face that has to be in good lighting, and you have to hold still. Once finished, you upload a picture, and the system compares your scan to the picture...
Certainly not 100% fail safe proof, but just one more step scammers will have to take to cheat the system.Yes, I'm sure scammers will find a way around it, but maybe it slows them down for a bit.
VanessasClient
02-23-25, 03:09
It's not mandatory if you already registered before they starting self verification. But, I think girls may be less likely to communicate with guys who don't have the badge. You can make the verification picture private, but if you remove it all together, then the badge disappears. I don't know how complex the technology is right now, but some articles online claim there are certain types of masks that can fool facial recognition. Others claim that it's very difficult to fool with the newest iphones and face recognition technology. The government wants the technology anyhow to help them identify people, be it criminals, or other "unwanted" individuals. I'm sure that with time, it will become harder and harder to spoof. Just like the old $100 US bill did not have color changing ink. When counterfeiting became more of a problem, they released a new bill, which made it that much more difficult to forge.
KrisMonger
02-27-25, 12:20
Just wanted to share my take on seeking after being on it for a few years (on and off).
Within US. Works in a choppy fashion on both East and the west coast. Most of them have been PPM (350-500 range). Best profile suited for long term seems to be a single working mom (with a majority of them Latina) that is in the 26+ age group. Most of them have a job (or two) and are looking to supplement income. These are not the ones that want to go to fancy restaurants as they are so busy with their kids life -but want to just go out for a few hours and then go inside for action and get paid for it.
Outside of US.
Jakarta is the best by far. Women in all price ranges (and even close to free as someone else mentioned elsewhere in Jakarta forum) short term or long term (in this case length of the trip). These girls can talk great English, great company and are awesome in bed.
Madrid. Pretty decent. Mostly PPMs.
Panama. Mostly Colombia / Venezuela chicas but quite a few are good company and can speak English and Latinas are always solid in bed.
San Juan. Decent but the girls here don't respond that fast for some reason.
Morocco. A lot available and found at least 2 that you could negotiate for the entire trip. Complexity here is that you can't Airbnb and you have to book two rooms in a hotel (your SA girl can actually help here).
This year I am planning on exploring Slovakia / Hungary / Warsaw area and could use some Intel from the forum.
Steve 9696
02-27-25, 18:20
Been a while since I've done a home girl writeup and the other night was super great so thought I'the write it down.
G is my home girl and has been for about six months, having beaten out nerdy girl and fuck bunny for my full time attention when in town. What broke the tie and has proven critical to us continuing is her outstanding BJ and submissive nature, having coached her up on BJ at date 2. She is truly great now and loves to do it. So intro BJs of 20+ minutes are common and finishing CIM swallow a standard finish.
Our last date was epic. We'the been itching to do Korean BBQ which she had never done and it lived up to expectations. We ordered more than enough food (she likes to have take home since she's from the hood and food is precious) and I even sprung for the Waygu which turned out to be a whopping $130 for a small portion. It was legendary tho and she saved a piece of Waygu for her mom since she's of course never had it.
Finishing dinner I am reminded that she is just 21 in her drinking habits. She's on her second strong cocktail and we are readying to go. She says "oh let me finish this", pointing to her 2/3 full drink. So I settle in for a few more minutes. Nope! She chugs it in five seconds! So 21.
We bop over to the rooftop bar at the Hilton which is a favorite venue. She's got her ID which she proudly gives to the reception girl who gives us the stink eye throughout the seating process. I don't think G notices and I couldn't give a fuck. The waitress on the other hand is nonplussed by our 40 year age gap and very attentive.
G orders a Pinot Noir as she is trying to get used to wine especially red wine. Well it must agree with her because she slugs it down in no time and orders a French 75. She's getting a bit loopy but in a fun and affectionate way. And it's off to the room we go after finishing our drinks.
She's definitely lit more than usual but that's good because her inhibitions have lowered and her fun side comes out. They've given us a large room with a lounge chair and she says won't that be fun and climbs on in doggie postion with her dress tight against her ass.
Well you don't have to ask me twice. I take the hint and start dry fucking her from behind and get her to rear up so I can feel her tits. Damn. This feels nice but would be even better naked.
So we lose the clothes and she says "do u want me to give you head in the chair?" She's a shy girl and would never normally say this. But I like G a little tipsy. Yes Maam. I will have some head. Thank you maam.
So I settle in and man this is one super great head session. Shaft gobbling. Harmonica. BLS. The whole buffet. And I know she loves this because she will do it till I stop her. But that's not now! I let her go at it for quite a few minutes and I ask her to open her eyes and look at me while she blows me (normally an eyes closed girl). She does and it's great. Eventually she swaps back to eyes closed but that's fine too. I didn't clock it but at least 20 minutes of outstanding BJ.
I feel it's time to reciprocate and tell her it's her turn in the chair. But to my surprise she goes into doggie. I attempt a slide in but damn she is tight tonight for some reason so I tell her to sit and let me do her. I've gotten to know what she likes in DATY and she's gotten more involved, pulling up on the skin above her clit to give me better access. So it isn't long before some sloppy gspot work and lips tongue clit circles give her a good O.
It's not her most earth shattering O but that is good because that usually puts her in a fetal position nap for 10 minutes. LOL. And I know that if I fuck her now she can continue to build. So I have her mount up RCG. I hate RCG in the bed due to my upswing but in a chair it's heaven. We hadn't done it before but damn she fucks me good.
At one point I have her lean back so I can feel her tits and she is literally on her back on top of me. Neither of us can move but this is kinda sexy just being inside her and feeling her tits. I can feel myself grow harder and eventually get back to RCG.
I can feel the build in RCG but there is something about me driving the finish that is viscerally more satisfying than a girl getting you off from on top. So I swap her to the bed for a mish finish.
I mount up and start a nice moderate pace. I pull her face to mine and we make out as I drive myself in and out. Oh fuck. This is so fine. I feel the build and she is squeaking and moaning too and I let er rip. Damn that was a fine night!
Been a while since I've done a home girl writeup and the other night was super great so thought I'the write it down.
G is my home girl and has been for about six months, having beaten out nerdy girl and fuck bunny for my full time attention when in town. What broke the tie and has proven critical to us continuing is her outstanding BJ and submissive nature, having coached her up on BJ at date 2. She is truly great now and loves to do it. So intro BJs of 20+ minutes are common and finishing CIM swallow a standard finish.
Our last date was epic. We'the been itching to do Korean BBQ which she had never done and it lived up to expectations. We ordered more than enough food (she likes to have take home since she's from the hood and food is precious) and I even sprung for the Waygu which turned out to be a whopping $130 for a small portion. It was legendary tho and she saved a piece of Waygu for her mom since she's of course never had it.
Finishing dinner I am reminded that she is just 21 in her drinking habits. She's on her second strong cocktail and we are readying to go. She says "oh let me finish this", pointing to her 2/3 full drink. So I settle in for a few more minutes. Nope! She chugs it in five seconds! So 21.Whatever happened to her?
Steve 9696
02-27-25, 20:44
Great report KM and so good to see using Seeking all over. I am aligned on your view of the US tho I target the 22-25 age group. Very interesting about Jakarta. I was going to go there because the clubs sound amazing but I got the vibe that a lot of the girls are trafficked and that turned me off to it. But if Seeking is good maybe I will go. Love me an Indo girl but never been with one.
I have been just browsing for the past month so far and my primary targets are South America countries. There has been less and less women and what I expected are a lot more pros maintaining there own profile. How do I know because they are the same ads in escort sites. I might want to try sometime later to buy a membership and give a review in other countries.
Midwestern
02-28-25, 13:51
In the manosphere, the single mom is a huge red flag as far as having her as a GF or wife. The reason is the woman will always choose the kid over you, and if the father is in the kid's life, that is potentially double the trouble. So for the guy, the SB thing makes a lot more sense with the single mom than having her as GF / wife, and the woman has an added incentive to perform. She is pleasing you for her child's sake versus the latest makeup, drugs, or shoes.My views on this are so exactly identical to yours. I have delusionally "loved" these single moms in the past, because they performed so well, but then I eventually realized they didn't give two sh! Tz about me. They were just performing superbly for their kid's sake. But now it's all good. I now keep seeing these single moms and enjoy it. They are very reliable.
VanessasClient
02-28-25, 19:46
My views on this are so exactly identical to yours. I have delusionally "loved" these single moms in the past, because they performed so well, but then I eventually realized they didn't give two sh! Tz about me. They were just performing superbly for their kid's sake. But now it's all good. I now keep seeing these single moms and enjoy it. They are very reliable.The other thing is. Most of the single moms don't want to get themselves into trouble. Because if they wind up in jail, or some other trouble, then they won't be able to look after their kid, leaving the only potential alternative to turn the kids over to family or relatives to be raised. Not all the single moms are cautious, but many of them are. By the way, Seeking just removed their Instagram verification badge, and redesigned their desktop site. IT might be part of new changes.
Elvis 2008
02-28-25, 20:45
Just wanted to share my take on seeking after being on it for a few years (on and off).
Within US. Works in a choppy fashion on both East and the west coast. Most of them have been PPM (350-500 range). Best profile suited for long term seems to be a single working mom (with a majority of them Latina) that is in the 26+ age group. Most of them have a job (or two) and are looking to supplement income. These are not the ones that want to go to fancy restaurants as they are so busy with their kids life -but want to just go out for a few hours and then go inside for action and get paid for it.
Outside of US.
Jakarta is the best by far. Women in all price ranges (and even close to free as someone else mentioned elsewhere in Jakarta forum) short term or long term (in this case length of the trip). These girls can talk great English, great company and are awesome in bed.
Madrid. Pretty decent. Mostly PPMs.
Panama. Mostly Colombia / Venezuela chicas but quite a few are good company and can speak English and Latinas are always solid in bed.
San Juan. Decent but the girls here don't respond that fast for some reason.
Morocco. A lot available and found at least 2 that you could negotiate for the entire trip. Complexity here is that you can't Airbnb and you have to book two rooms in a hotel (your SA girl can actually help here).
This year I am planning on exploring Slovakia / Hungary / Warsaw area and could use some Intel from the forum.Demographically, the ideal is to find a country with a lot of 20 something females and few men in their 40's, 50's, and 60's. If you look at the 10 to 20 range, and there are more 10 year olds than 20 year olds, you can see if a good country is going to stay good as the crop of 20 somethings will continue to grow in the future.
An expert in demographics and the future told farmers to cut down trying to sell to China and look to sell to Mexico, Colombia, Vietnam, and Indonesia. That made my jaw drop as I had so much success in Colombia and Mexico. I had been to Indonesia before and understood why it would be so good and there was the occasional anedote here about Vietnam.
I am hearing reports about how good Spain is and how bad Italy is which is interesting given their same demographic pattern. Thing is Spain has liberal citizenship and work visa rules for many South American countries and I think it is the influx of South Amerians that may be the reason why Spain is so much better than Italy.
Thing is I had a friend who was into demographics as well. He was disgusted by the scene in the USA around 2007 before the great recession and decided to move to Russia. Given the demographics, attractive women, and their morally loose attitude (he said Russians view sex as intimately as we think of hand shakes) he was in pussy heaven.
He has since married and had sons and was a little depressed looking at mates for his sons. He told me the only continent with an expanding populaton was Africa. When he mentioned that, I thought about subsaharan Africa and not the Northern Arab part of Africa. What is interesting there demographically is how women quit having women there 10 years ago with the Arab spring uprisings and are back to shooting out kids like crazy now. The only country in that region not to have fit that pattern? Morocco. LOL. So the other countries (Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya if it gets it shit together) will be great sugar destinations in 10 or so years.
In real life, I saw an average guy here in the USA with a smoking hot wife, a 10 type from Tanzania. I also saw another average looking guy with a 10 type from Uganda and I was smitten with how many beauties there may be in Northeast Africa. Apparently, Northeast Africa is a genetic melting pot. It is close to the Arab penisula and the Italians not only had Somalia as a colony, it was the first place in the world where Europeans mingled and even married darker skinned people out in the open. Before WW2 began, Mussiolini sent troops in to conquer Ethopia, and women are often the spoils of war.
All in all, it should come as no shock then that Somalia and Ethopia have been reported to have the best looking women in Africa, https://www.africanexponent.com/african-countries-with-the-most-beautiful-women/.
The demographics in both countries are crazy strong and the GDP per capita is less than $2000 per year in Ethopia and under $1000 per year in Somalia which was not a surprise.
Somalia has around 20 million people which is about what I expected. What stunned me was Ethopia has nearly 130 million people which is more than Egypt.
That combination of low wages, huge young population of women with few older men, and hot women should have made Ethiopa the #1 monger destination in the world, but it is not. Reports are that the women are not that pretty, and Ethopia is dangerous, filthy, and corrupt.
The near unanimous recommendation of mongers were the counries close to Ethopia were much better mongerer sites. That would be countries like Kenya, Rwanda, Uganda, and Tanzania. This kind of reminded of Venezuelan women. I have seen some uber goregous Venezuelan women but I have seen them in Colombia, Peru, and Mexico and not in Venezuela itself.
Guys are seeing hookers in those countries and getting laid for $10 or less. I wonder if it is similar in those countries as it was in Jamaica back when I went in the 1990's. I would go to a Jamaican bar and wonder what women were for sale and soon realized they all were. I am sure there was an exception in those bars, but I have to wonder if in those African nations, the bars are Jamaica like. If so, these countries seem like they should be the best mongering / sugar destinations in the world.
Steve 9696
02-28-25, 21:12
Whatever happened to her?Shayla was awesome for about 18 months. But she has always had 5+ day horrible painful periods. She started taking Depo Provera to control them and it did. But it killed her sex drive. She went from beast to zero very quickly. It also exacerbated her depression so it was a lose lose. We tried to hold on for a while hoping it would change but it didn't. So she moved out last May.
I knew it was winding down so that's when I struck things up with fuck bunny and I really enjoyed that girl. But eventually G won the home girl gig. Looks like she's going to keep it. Just got an impromptu half hour blowjob to CIM swallow in the church parking lot. That's the kinda girl that can hang onto her man!
Just got an impromptu half hour blowjob to CIM swallow in the church parking lot.LOLOLOL! And thank ya Jesus for these plump, round Brazilian butts! Even the brancas got back LMAO!
Just wanted to share my take on seeking after being on it for a few years (on and off).
Within US. Works in a choppy fashion on both East and the west coast. Most of them have been PPM (350-500 range). Best profile suited for long term seems to be a single working mom (with a majority of them Latina) that is in the 26+ age group. Most of them have a job (or two) and are looking to supplement income. These are not the ones that want to go to fancy restaurants as they are so busy with their kids life -but want to just go out for a few hours and then go inside for action and get paid for it.
Outside of US.
Jakarta is the best by far. Women in all price ranges (and even close to free as someone else mentioned elsewhere in Jakarta forum) short term or long term (in this case length of the trip). These girls can talk great English, great company and are awesome in bed.
Madrid. Pretty decent. Mostly PPMs.
Panama. Mostly Colombia / Venezuela chicas but quite a few are good company and can speak English and Latinas are always solid in bed..That's interesting, please explain the (Best by far) comment for Jakarta. As I am here now with boots on the ground and there are less than 50 women in the age range of 18-24 that have been active on seeking in the past week. In a city of 11 M+ people seems more like one of the worst big cities ever for SA than the best!
Midwestern
03-02-25, 02:50
The other thing is. Most of the single moms don't want to get themselves into trouble. Because if they wind up in jail, or some other trouble, then they won't be able to look after their kid, leaving the only potential alternative to turn the kids over to family or relatives to be raised. Not all the single moms are cautious, but many of them are. By the way, Seeking just removed their Instagram verification badge, and redesigned their desktop site. IT might be part of new changes.Yes! Another excellent point in favor of single moms. They won't cause trouble or get into trouble. If they hook, either full time or on the side, they'll take this "job" seriously. They want repeat business.
Yes! Another excellent point in favor of single moms. They won't cause trouble or get into trouble.I had an arrangement with a single mother of 3 for 5 years, off and on, from Seeking. She dumped me without warning for a married guy and charged 2 car payments to my credit card without my knowledge right away. I had paid her dentist for a visit and she got my card from there, used it later without my permission.
She was on pre-trial release for starting a violent fight with her daughter's dad, and I filed a police report about the theft of unauthorized use of my credit card. Her mother lent her the money to repay me in return for me dropping the criminal theft police report.
Would like to believe you Midwestern, but experience has been opposite.
Sequel, I saw the woman at the gas station last week, she had dumped her last live-in boyfriend and wanted a hug and to have an arrangement with me again. No thanks!
Midwestern
03-02-25, 06:22
I had an arrangement with a single mother of 3 for 5 years, off and on, from Seeking. She dumped me without warning for a married guy and charged 2 car payments to my credit card without my knowledge right away. I had paid her dentist for a visit and she got my card from there, used it later without my permission.
She was on pre-trial release for starting a violent fight with her daughter's dad, and I filed a police report about the theft of unauthorized use of my credit card. Her mother lent her the money to repay me in return for me dropping the criminal theft police report.
Would like to believe you Midwestern, but experience has been opposite.
Sequel, I saw the woman at the gas station last week, she had dumped her last live-in boyfriend and wanted a hug and to have an arrangement with me again. No thanks!She's a mother of three. Is this in the USA? I would never trust a *desperate* white chick, especially if she's on Seeking. So at the end of the day, it all depends and YMMV.
Hope you got your stolen money back.
I recently got shafted big time. Someone I've known for a long time said she could come to my city to see me, and stay for five days. I said okay come. She came without me fronting her any cash. I was touched. And so I repaid her trust by giving her way too much cash when we met. But that was the only time that I saw her. She said she was busy the next day. I couldn't understand why she was busy. I soon found out that she was actually on a business trip and so she had to come. Then she said she had to leave the next morning. I cannot believe she played me like that. Oh well. As a monger, I know I'll get ripped off sometimes.
VanessasClient
03-02-25, 08:50
It's not a hard and fast rule without exception, it's just a general statement. I'd be way more likely to trust a single Latina mama, than a gringa for several reasons. First of all, they are known for fiercely defending their children, and taking much better care of them, than we do ours. Secondly, it is much harder to access reliable social services in South America, like welfare and child support, plus it's not as easy for women to game the judicial system down there. It's also easier for American women to turn law enforcement again men with false charges of things like domestic battery, etc. I'm willing to bet that when you see those girls in Colombia getting arrested for scoping or kidnapping guys that turn up dead, most of them don't have kids. Some do, but when you look at stats, I'd wager you will find most do not.
Also having multiple kids is usually a red flag. Any single mom knows the difficulty of taking care of 1 alone. To go and be so reckless as to have another without using contraception or resorting to an abortion, indicates something is wrong mentally.
I still think most American moms get on Seeking as more of a luxury than necessity.
I had an arrangement with a single mother of 3 for 5 years, off and on, from Seeking. She dumped me without warning for a married guy and charged 2 car payments to my credit card without my knowledge right away. I had paid her dentist for a visit and she got my card from there, used it later without my permission.
She was on pre-trial release for starting a violent fight with her daughter's dad, and I filed a police report about the theft of unauthorized use of my credit card. Her mother lent her the money to repay me in return for me dropping the criminal theft police report.
Would like to believe you Midwestern, but experience has been opposite.
Sequel, I saw the woman at the gas station last week, she had dumped her last live-in boyfriend and wanted a hug and to have an arrangement with me again. No thanks!
KrisMonger
03-02-25, 21:25
That's interesting, please explain the (Best by far) comment for Jakarta. As I am here now with boots on the ground and there are less than 50 women in the age range of 18-24 that have been active on seeking in the past week. In a city of 11 M+ people seems more like one of the worst big cities ever for SA than the best!My age range is up to 30. I have easily found great company that will come out hang around in bars / restaurants and come to the hotel and provide you a great time. We are talking no more than 2 M IDR in most of these cases. Best so far, ease of hunt, dollar value and company. Good luck!
Have a strong feeling I'm being played. I have an exclusive arrangement which I'm very happy with, but I have a strong feeling I'm being played. Which is a shame, but hey ho. I just want to know if the girl in question is up for meeting anyone else in which case I'll just walk away and cut my losses.
AmericanPi
03-12-25, 15:13
Have a strong feeling I'm being played. I have an exclusive arrangement which I'm very happy with, but I have a strong feeling I'm being played. Which is a shame, but hey ho. I just want to know if the girl in question is up for meeting anyone else in which case I'll just walk away and cut my losses.Is her account active? If so she's taking offers. There's zero chance a girl has an active account (like if you sort by recently active and see her) she's not taking offers. And if she is not active she's not getting messages.
It had been quite some time since I logged into SA and went on the prowl. I was heading to Montreal, so I dusted off my profile, made some edits and started sending out feelers.
I usually start sending messages about 3-5 days before arriving, as some girls like to move fast, while others exercise more caution.
I arrived Sunday night and had dinner plans with girl 1. After moving to text, I talked to her once a day or so, just to keep the connection alive. I was busy Saturday, so no comms, but I wrote her Sunday morning asking if we were still on. These girls can be so flaky and fickle. She said that she hadn't heard from me (for one day!) and thought that I may have changed my mind; therefore she decided to sleep with her mom. I wasn't upset, but I didn't have a replacement for the night. I had dates lined up for the rest of the week (some even double booked), but everyone seemed busy this particular Sunday?? It was arrival day, so I ended up relaxing, getting my bearings, and having some bad Japanese for dinner. : (.
Monday was double booked and I usually make a decision the night before regarding which girl will be cancelled. It came down to Kat and Ava. These were two very different specimens. I didn't think Kat would respond when I reached out. She was just my type, thin (not skinny) light brown hair, cute, and about 5'7", grayish colored eyes. Ava was the normal sb with semi-sexy pics from hotel lobbies and bathrooms that one of us have probably taken them to. It came down to an interesting decision. Do I take Ava that seems to know the ropes and wants 600 or Kat that seems more cultured (not in a travel sb sort of way haha) and modestly dressed, but at this point, the cash conversation had not come up. How much would she want?? I decided to take the risk and went with Kat.
We met at a bar and as I was getting out of the Uber, she was walking down the steps from the bar saying that we had bad luck. The place was closed. We hugged and being as though it was 8 degrees outside, we quickly found another place right around the corner. It was a nice place. We walked in and they asked if we had reservations. No res, no problem, let's just hit the bar. With these girls, if you are charming, smart, and conversational, you are usually good to go. She was dressed office sexy. An above the knee black shirt with long leather boots and a black blouse with a burgundy sweater. I sat there drinking my old fashioneds still not sure of what to make of the situation. Am I going to smash this chick? All signs point to yes, but what does she want? Once she loosened up, she started to steer her body toward me, instead of the bar, which is at least a sign of interest in the conversation and dare I say, sexual attraction 😀. She told me her motivation and it wasn't actually financial. She has an office job and does okay, for Montreal. What she wanted was access. She wanted access to our lifestyle where spending $200 on drinks is less than an afterthought. She also likened typical success with spiritual development and was looking for that as well. It was getting late so the response to my next statement would let me know how the night might go. I said that we should get out of there and head to my place and that I had a new bottle of beer that I wanted to try. She agreed like it was already planned.
We ended up back at my place and she wanted to share the beer. I thought that was cool. I also noticed her watching me, and following my lead. She was really comfortable in the apt. It felt like you just came home with your new girlfriend and you guys are building up the tension before you put it in her. LOL. She stood looking over my shoulder, literally her chin on my shoulder as I pulled the cork out of the bottle. Standing in front of me with her black thigh high stocking and crossed legs, we continued to chat. , she followed when I moved to sit on the couch and she sat close. She asked a lot of questions and the conversation was flowing. It was flowing a bit too well. I found that I was enjoying the conversation and had not put my mind into the "let's bang this chick" mode. Hahahaha.
She must have had the same idea. I was facing her while she was leaned up against the arm of the couch. There was a small area of exposed skin in between her thick thigh highs and her skirt. After a few touches and light massages to that area, she reached out both of her legs and put them on the sides of my waist. I grabbed both of her ankles as I bent both her legs back coming in for the slow kiss. She took a deep inhale and it was written all over her face that she was into it. She was a smiler. I've only come across maybe 1 or 2 other smilers before. They smile during sex, foreplay, in between kisses, etc. Now, I'm holding the arm of the couch that her head is resting on and the kisses start. She has her legs wrapped around my waist as I stroke her sides, stomach and hips. Without skipping a beat, I picked her up while we kissed, bumping into the walls and corners as I carried her to the bedroom. She felt almost weightless. When I laid her down, I went right for her nipples, pulling down her blousy tangtop. I love small tits (small, not nonexistent, just saying). She also has small nipples, but I would find that they were very sensitive. When I touched her pussy, it was like all her tension was released from her body and she just melted, like she had been holding her breath and finally exhaled haha.
She came up for a blowjob, but took her shirt off first. I stood at the edge of the bed and she gave a heartfelt BJ. Definitely GF and not P.S. She cupped my balls while doing deep (not deepthroat) slowly, keeping in line with the sensual lover vibe. Hahahah.
Our vibe felt like we had known each other for a time. She likes to have her nipples pulled and each time I pinched them she would moan with my dick in her mouth and seemed to get more excited. That alone almost finished me multiple times hahaha. We were already at th edge of the bed, so I laid her on her back, covered up, and started in mish. Wait. What is that?? Past the first 3 inches or so, it got tight, like squeezing between two tightly packed sofa cushions. Everytime I would push into the tight area, her reaction made her breathless. I wanted to see if I would still feel it in doggy. Made the move and it was even more pronounced. Her thin ass in the air and her hair in my hand as I pound away. Bust in the bag and when I returned she was laying face down on my pillow and had taken off all her clothes, including the stockings. I laid next to her figuring we would pillow chat for a second, but we didn't talk. For the first 5-10 minutes, she laid next to me with her hair in my face, rubbing my back and kissing my face. It was sensual AF. I started to rub her back too and her skin was smoother than I had recognized. There was no hair and it was oddly, pleasurably smooth. 10 minutes of that got the rocket back in position. If I were a lesser man, I would have poked it rawdog, hell, I really wanted to, but discipline prevailed. . She had a thin girl's ass, so you could see her pussy while she laid on her stomach. I threw on another cover and went right in. As soon as I did, the pillow cushions were there. This time I varied how often I would open them and that was driving her crazy. She started using her fingers on her clit and with some nicely placed strokes, she came twice, and possibly a third. Bust in the bag, game over. We went back to the face kissing and crazy sensual back rubbing and after we both fell asleep briefly before she mentioned that she had to go. I offered to walk her to her car, she declined. I told her to buy herself a gift from me as I slipped 350 into her purse. Goodnight kiss and we were done. I was supposed to see her again before leaving but I got sick on the day of. I need a day 2 or 3 with Kat. Looking forward to my next trip to Montreal.
Steve 9696
03-12-25, 16:46
Thanks Lshroomer for making my day. That's the way Seeking is supposed to be. Always a good call to pull the GND vs the pro. Real GFE cannot be beat. Thanks for sharing in detail!
I've been to Montreal plenty of times, but never played in the sugar bowl, so I really didn't know what to expect.
What are the going rates?
Are the girls aggressive (like Madrid)?
What are the typical age ranges?
Is language actually a problem (like parts of Czech Republic)?
Is it a shitshow like the US (I have a very low opinion of SA in the US. I hardly use it)?
So here is what I subjectively found, for those guys that may find themselves in Montreal anytime soon.
* You will win everytime with a 600 offer, but don't get the impression that this is the standard from which all offers should deviate. From what I saw, the standard is about 450/500. Only the experienced (bad in this case) sbs will ask for 600 when you offer 500. Many are cool with 400 and I didn't' try 300 because of the trend I noticed. My line that I tried out that worked well was, "I typically like to put at least 400/500 in my sb's pockets for whatever she wants". To give the impression that this is just the base. If things go awesome, I might give you more, but never less. If they negotiate from here, then I never give more, only what they negotiated. Their loss.
* Most girls were not looking to meet same day. Unlike Madrid, where if you send messages on Saturday and they like you, they will be asking what you are doing on Sunday. You don't want to put it off bc you are out of town. You'll seem not serious.
* Lots of bad SD experiences. If you show you are solid, I find they gravitate toward the vibe. Many just want a cool experience with a safe, reliable, dare I say attractive (not a requirement) guy.
* Very few "official" working girls. I literally found 2 that wanted to skip an outing and head directly to my apt. I don't need that. I personally like the buildup, the questions, the vibe, her having to leave because she has work in the morning. Not her having to leave to blow the next guy.
* 1/2 and 1/2 experienced sbs and rookie sbs. I find you can have the same fun, but I have started to gravitate away from the experienced Sbs. They tend to have sugar baggage and give me low level prossy vibes. I also saw that they have a certain look and from my sampling, I noticed a loose correlation between the look and their typical ask, which was usually 600.
* The age range is weighted heavier in the late twenties and thirties. I NEVER GO OUT WITH 30's. I find they typically overvalue themselves. This was not the case in Montreal. I had a fantastic time with Kat and she is 34. The average SB was in their 30's.
* Girls are slim, especially the french ones. They were generally my type, kinda like being in Lisboa. Attractive spinners, slim, nice curves (curves don't mean meat, it more means she has a shape) small / med boobs, ass of an in shape girl.
* Language is not an issue. Only a handful of girls didn't work out because of my lack of french.
* I personally don't like descriptions that mention princess treatment and I found that the more they talk about what they offer, the more down to earth they are. They realize that there are more of them than us, which means they are lucky to go out with us, not the other way around. WHenever I get the vibe that she believes she should be treated like gold because she has had control of a simp before, I cut the bait.
* Delusion factor is fairly low. You don't' have a bunch of sbs that expect helicopter rides, lavish gifts, and findom from a simp. There were a few that responded with that princess crap. I delete those immediately. When I see Kim kardashian lookalikes, too much makeup, fake ass / tips / lips, I don't even message / respond to them. I like unique looks and a girl that looks like fun. A chick in an evening gown taking a picture in a nice hotel or standing with her designer bags isn't my kind of girl. We can all afford the suites and the designer bags, but for me, that comes along later after we're establish, not from the beginning. We would not go shopping on a 3rd date. Hahaha.
* Standard flakiness to maybe a little less. Not a significant deviation.
These are just my subjective observations and as always YMMV. Keep the info flowing.
02.
Thanks Lshroomer for making my day. That's the way Seeking is supposed to be. Always a good call to pull the GND vs the pro. Real GFE cannot be beat. Thanks for sharing in detail!HAHAHA. Steve, that's funny. I was laying there after she left thinking the same thing. That though it's a lot of work, it's a home run touchdown (LOL) when you find a good one! Kinda makes all the work worth it!
I found this time around that I saw a clear distinction between the experienced and rookie SBs. I had noticed it before, but it was more tangible this time around. Choosing the GND is already paying dividends. Kat has been in touch multiple times after I left asking when am I coming back. I don't have much "business" in Montreal, but I just might take a short trip to secure her and maybe another SB or 2. .
Be safe out there.
02.
I am not sure. I binned my account as we'd agreed to something and I just have a feeling that all is not what it seems.
Is her account active? If so she's taking offers. There's zero chance a girl has an active account (like if you sort by recently active and see her) she's not taking offers. And if she is not active she's not getting messages.
AmericanPi
03-14-25, 14:53
I am not sure. I binned my account as we'd agreed to something and I just have a feeling that all is not what it seems.If only there was a community of like minded individuals, and that community had a private direct messaging system, and that system could be used to ask a simple favor like "can you just see if xyz account is active. " Alas, fantasies. Back to life.
How did you end a relationship with a SB without to much drama and backlash response from her?
VanessasClient
03-18-25, 02:07
How did you end a relationship with a SB without to much drama and backlash response from her?I'm not sure if this was address to someone specific, or a general question. But one important thing is to not give out your personal info. If you never want to see her again, you can just say "Sorry, but things are no longer working out" Then block her.
Heading back to Vienna in a couple of weeks. I've used Seeking in a few European cities before with some success, and typically reactivate my account when I know I'll be traveling. I've been chatting to 2 ladies in Vienna, both early 30's. The response has not been what I expected. Tonight one of then asked for 2000 Euros for the evening and the other one 1500. WTF. Am I missing something here. No way am I going that high.
Stirling.
FilthyBeaver
03-25-25, 04:45
In my experience the only girls who ask for that kind of money are pros. Keep looking, it's not supposed to be easy except for a few exceptions in the world. Those of us with credible reports can attest to that.
Heading back to Vienna in a couple of weeks. I've used Seeking in a few European cities before with some success, and typically reactivate my account when I know I'll be traveling. I've been chatting to 2 ladies in Vienna, both early 30's. The response has not been what I expected. Tonight one of then asked for 2000 Euros for the evening and the other one 1500. WTF. Am I missing something here. No way am I going that high.
Stirling.
KrisMonger
03-25-25, 09:04
Heading back to Vienna in a couple of weeks. I've used Seeking in a few European cities before with some success, and typically reactivate my account when I know I'll be traveling. I've been chatting to 2 ladies in Vienna, both early 30's. The response has not been what I expected. Tonight one of then asked for 2000 Euros for the evening and the other one 1500. WTF. Am I missing something here. No way am I going that high.
Stirling.I am curious to see responses to this one as I will be out there towards end of September. I am assuming Bratislava which is about an hour from Vienna may be a better place to connect but I may be wrong.
KrisMonger
03-25-25, 09:08
I'm not sure if this was address to someone specific, or a general question. But one important thing is to not give out your personal info. If you never want to see her again, you can just say "Sorry, but things are no longer working out" Then block her.If you are not using a burner phone use one. Just say sorry, block and go. Everyone has their own life to deal with and unless you have someone that is super pissed you will be fine.
I am curious to see responses to this one as I will be out there towards end of September. I am assuming Bratislava which is about an hour from Vienna may be a better place to connect but I may be wrong.Thanks for the feedback gents. I will definitely let you know how this turns out in the end and will detail my experiences.
Stirling.
How did you end a relationship with a SB without too much drama and backlash response from her?Say you are out of money. Or just ghost her, block her number and let someone else have her.
How did you end a relationship with a SB without to much drama and backlash response from her?Tell her an old girlfriend just contacted you and is offering herself for free.
Claim you are experimenting with the gay sex lifestyle, tell her if she wanted to do anal with you it might be the same! LOL.
VanessasClient
03-26-25, 04:00
Claim you are experimenting with the gay sex lifestyleThat's the first time I've heard of that. Very interesting, and it could prove to be quite effective.
ForTheRealm
03-26-25, 12:40
How did you end a relationship with a SB without to much drama and backlash response from her?"hey, I'm currently going through a lot of things in life, and would need to keep us on pause. Hopefully we should reconnect at some point in the future! I appreciate you, and hope you stay as lovely as you are".
Don't go the negative route. Don't want anyone pissed off at you for any reason.
Voodoo Jones
03-26-25, 18:02
I only use Seeking abroad, but had some left over time on my membership and decided to take a look at the NYC options. Let me just say my feelings for not using it in the US we're validated because you get the same shit as online dating here: time wasting, fickle, and not knowing what they want. Like my time is limited and I'm not renewing my membership until I'm planning another trip. Many of these women have been on the site for years still asking for stupid ass demands like they're the prize on a site where they want you to finance their empty lifestyles. Now that's not to say I have a few true hits and will see where they take me, but American women are such a pain to deal with even on Seeking.
VanessasClient
03-27-25, 01:12
"hey, I'm currently going through a lot of things in life, and would need to keep us on pause. Hopefully we should reconnect at some point in the future! I appreciate you, and hope you stay as lovely as you are".
Don't go the negative route. Don't want anyone pissed off at you for any reason.Interesting you should mention that. Some years ago I was referred to a real estate agent who was a buffoon. I tried to work with him for a little while, but he wanted to do things his way, rather than catering to the customer. So I fired the idiot, and found another realtor. The 2nd realtor handled my closing. Now, the 2nd guy was much younger and less experienced than the first. So my initial inclination was to send the first realtor some screen shots showing what would have been his commission, being paid to fledgling, junior agent. But, before doing so, I stopped and thought "Yeah, this guy is a fag, but what if one day I get a flat tire and my cell phone battery is dead. What if he happens to be the only person who drives down the deserted road I'm stranded on?" Of course, that's an incredibly unlikely scenario. Point being, if somebody is not a sworn enemy already, it's probably better not to make them one. Of course if they are, feel free to take revenge on them. But that whole thing about "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". If the girl is not really on your bad side, I don't see what benefit could come from pissing off a woman who might be mentally unstable, and inclined to retaliate, even if they don't have your personal info at the moment.
Some years ago I was referred to a real estate agent who was a buffoon. I tried to work with him for a little while, but he wanted to do things his way, rather than catering to the customer. So I fired the idiot, and found another realtor. The 2nd realtor handled my closing.... So my initial inclination was to send the first realtor some screen shots showing what would have been his commission, being paid to fledgling, junior agent. Short answer is you owe a 3% real estate commission to each or your realtors. The first real estate agent had a listing agreement with you that said, as long as the agreement was in force he gets paid if it sells even if you fire him. 6 months is the standard duration for a listing contract, if it sells during that time period he gets paid based upon the contract.
Then the second realtor gets paid because he was the "procuring factor" that got the sale to closing. Finally the buyer's agent gets 3% commission because he bought the buyer.
So you now owe 9% to the realtors instead of the standard 6%.
Manizales911
03-27-25, 16:08
"hey, I'm currently going through a lot of things in life, and would need to keep us on pause. Hopefully we should reconnect at some point in the future! I appreciate you, and hope you stay as lovely as you are".
Don't go the negative route. Don't want anyone pissed off at you for any reason.This tactic has worked for me many times, I've been a Seeking member for 15 years and use it almost exclusively, I still hit up full time hoes but rarely now as my Seeking roster has filled out quite nicely but Seeking takes work to utilize it to its fullest so anyone using it often will have to let a girl go quite regularly and the above advise is a good way to do it in my opinion.
Manizales911
03-27-25, 16:10
Heading back to Vienna in a couple of weeks. I've used Seeking in a few European cities before with some success, and typically reactivate my account when I know I'll be traveling. I've been chatting to 2 ladies in Vienna, both early 30's. The response has not been what I expected. Tonight one of then asked for 2000 Euros for the evening and the other one 1500. WTF. Am I missing something here. No way am I going that high.
Stirling.Your mistake was asking them to quote you a price. Tell them what you pay, you're the captain of the ship.
Your mistake was asking them to quote you a price. Tell them what you pay, you're the captain of the ship.I didn't ask LOL. They quoted that quite quickly. No issues, cut them loose.
AmericanPi
04-01-25, 22:27
Point being, if somebody is not a sworn enemy already, it's probably better not to make them one. Of course if they are, feel free to take revenge on them. But that whole thing about "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". If the girl is not really on your bad side, I don't see what benefit could come from pissing off a woman who might be mentally unstable, and inclined to retaliate, even if they don't have your personal info at the moment.I preach this on the regular here. Totally agree. In this day and age women can make accusations and it's guilty till proven innocent in practice. Don't do it.
I got stood up twice this past week in seeking. Know what I did? Wrote each one saying more or less: sorry I didn't get to see you. I assume something must've happened and I hope it turned out ok. No hard feelings and best of luck to you.
And then I cut them off and never contact them again.
Another one: I try to message girls after dates that I enjoyed time with them and such and look for a response. Why? To get in writing that they had a good time and all ended well. So no friend can ever pull her aside and be like "heyyyyy, ever thought of saying XYZ and getting some money out of this guy?" Call me paranoid but I've never had an issue.
AmericanPi
04-07-25, 14:25
Is it wrong that I kind of like it when girls have daddy issues? I always ask on first date: who do you live with, how's your relationship with your parents? And when I find out a girl has daddy issues (dad left when she was x, don't know dad, dad lives in another state) I know quite a bit about her. Usually those girls are approval seeking, have poor boundaries, more willing to take direction. They are the least likely to put their foot down and say things like I don't X on the first date. They are the most likely to assume that if you're suggesting it confidently it's what we should be doing right now.
(PSA to Dads: don't leave your daughters. It's awful and it messes then up.)
Steve 9696
04-08-25, 23:56
Agree 💯 with Pi that girls with Daddy issues are a whole lotta fun. And I don't feel bad about that because your fulfilling a need for them also. It's a win win. This girl def has serious daddy issues and a handful of more! Quite the kinky little wildcat and yet one of the smartest girls I've ever met. And a ton of fun to just hang with. Read on.
Wow. I have met the most interesting girl of my illustrious career! She is sharp as a tack. Perfect English. Kinky and adventurous. Great sense of humor. Seeking Arrangement of course.
I had been looking for about 6 weeks in CDMX and found several suitable prospects. Had prices negotiated and everything. But as my trip approached I of course kept looking. Hit a very hot girl who had just joined but didn't have anything in her profile but keywords. But no harm sending a Hi. Turns out it was the Hi that would rock my world!
We chatted only briefly and since my trip was only a week away I moved right to WhatsApp. Well damn we hit it off. We chatted for six hours (that first day. And probably another ten or more hours the rest of that week. I hadn't had a chat vibe like this since Valentina six years ago.
Although early on I wasn't sure if she was real (too good to be true?) we got progressively closer and eventually she was sending me short videos of her face or clothes. The one of her showing me her little short skirts for me to pick from will always be a highlight.
My plan was to see her just three hours after landing as we were both so stoked. And it came off without a hitch. Drinks at 5. Dinner at 7 and back in the room by 9.
The bar I chose was inside the St Regis so it was super high end. She bounced in in her red heels all five ft nothing of her, and in her recently purchased Zara Teen 13-14 yr old jeans. LOL. Quite the petite hottie.
We had a couch on the terrace and a beautiful view of the plaza reforma as we sipped our drinks and had appetizers. The conversation flowed a little less well than our amazing chat vibe but we got going after a bit and suddenly almost two hours had flown by. Light touching and hand holding meant it was game on.
Dinner too was effortless. We were a little lit by then and the flow was so easy. We had some lovely Italian and cocktails just a few blocks down from the St Regis. We talked and laughed, and discussed how monogamy is a sham and I am married and she has a BF and yet here we are.
We are so comfy together that it's not a problem when her boyfriend calls and she chats with him while holding my hand and making doe eyes at me! She mentions her boyfriend is very open minded and even likes to listen in when she has sex with other guys!
Before we knew it we were 4 hours into our date; but the early start meant it was still early.
Back in the room the easy chemistry continued. It was like we'the known each other for weeks. We started with a kiss but soon I was on my back on the bed with her straddling me. She was wearing a black top that was basically a tube top (but classy). So I started kneading her tits and then pulled it down to reveal an amazing set of firm be cups top five all time!
The sex was amazing and passionate with all the usual trimmings. An interesting note was that she had never done BLS before. But she took to it like a fish to water. So much so that I asked her if she wanted another BJ tip and I showed her harmonica. Damn she catches on fast. A few minutes later she was giving a top notch BJ. She later said she loves to BJ and that was no lie because man we did a lot.
After quite a bit of fucking she did BJ on her knees at the side of the bed. And she says she wants to video it! I have done a bit of video before but never had a girl initiate. She actually does it as a selfie video and damn it's sexy. Musta done another 15 minutes but I fail to blow and instead finish in mish while kissing. Ooooh so good.
Well if the video didn't add enough kink, stay tuned. After cumming like a big dog we are crashed sideways on the bed when a call from her boyfriend comes in. I'm in a post sex haze but eventually muster enough sense to realize I can start playing with her while her BF is on the phone!
So I start sucking her tits and kneading them and she is cooing and moaning, all as she carries on an otherwise normal conversation in Spanish. Hahaha. Then I start fingering her. And she indicates two fingers. Then she indicates faster and harder and is eventually driving my fingers in and out of her pussy at light speed and the moans and gasps are louder and more frequent.
As much fun as this is, I realize hey I could get in on this. So I pull her into Steve position and mount up. I am fucking her hard and fast as her boyfriend listens in and she is getting very loud and has trouble keeping the convo going! It is sooooo naughty.
After a bit we switch it up to kneeling BJ at the side of the bed and she is deep throat gagging and extra sloppy for her BFs benefit. After maybe 15 minutes she packs it in and flops on her back on the bed. I of course still want to get my nut, so I straddle her and jerk off while feeling those amazing tits. Before long I shoot out a nice second load (unheard of at my age) on her tits, resulting in a very sexy selfie of her and her cum-laden tits for her BF. LOL.
Wow. This girl is one wildcat of a woman. And so fun just at the dinner table or text chat as well. Never met anyone like her. Stay tuned for our day two adventurewhich was actually sexless but the most fun you can have with your clothes on. And don't worry. Sex is on the table for day three. Her lady parts just needed a day of rest after our night one fuckfest.
Gents, arrived in Vienna yesterday. Had originally planned to see girl "A" but that fell through several days ago and moved on to Girl "be". Note, I've been trolling the Vienna page for about 3 weeks and had 3-4 potential possibilities. I open with dinner and 400 E. She countered with 600 and we split the difference 500 E. Easy negotiations. She had sent me plenty of pics and gave me access to her instagram so I knew what I was getting.
We met for dinner, Restaurant Kornat, and as the meal progressed we became quite comfortable with each other. I'm 62, she's 34. I did laugh (internally) and some of the conversation when we danced around why we were on the site. As she spent great lengths to make sure I understood she's not a hooker. Of course not I thought. I don't bring hookers to expensive restaurants.
In any event, we taxied back to my hotel. She did want the money at that point and I acquiesced. No issues. She took a shower and came out in just her panties. No complaints. A 2 hour session and then we fell asleep. We woke up about 7:30 am and she initiated contact again. I didn't complain. An hour later she was gone.
All in all, a success in my books. Will I see her again? Likely not as I have other plans, (read Babylon Club) but I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Stirling.
I open with dinner and 400 E. She countered with 600 and we split the difference 500 E. Easy negotiations.
In any event, we taxied back to my hotel. She did want the money at that point and I acquiesced. No issues....
Women play men by starting high. Just like list price on a car. Then the men think they got a bargain and are a good negotiator because they got a break from their first offer. I can quickly value the woman based upon appearance, personality and if they are ghetto trash. Then that's it. Often I find out in the bedroom they have trashy tattoos from jail / gang culture, or their tits sag from baby suckage, or they have scars from boob jobs, tummy tucks, breast lifts, etc that make the adventure a site for blind eyes. All one can do is not repeat, it does no good to try to renegotiate at that point, they will demand their money for "their time" and you have no options because they will start screaming bloody murder and threaten to turn you in to the police, but rarely will they do so.
Again, once you give the woman the money up front you are asking for problems, bro! I never, never pay / reward the woman up front. Does the boss pay his workers on Monday and see if they show up the rest of the week and work hard? No, the boss pays his workers on Friday after a hard worked week. You give up CONTROL and the girl can run away. Does it happen? 50% of the time. Its called Reinforcement Theory. Once the mouse has the cheese do you think it will then run the maze? Heck no, it will eat the cheese right away and then look for a new game to play elsewhere with another piece of cheese offered and remember how stupid you were.
I simply tell them no, and they can go it they do not like it, bye! I have walked out of the door to their hotel room several times when they ask for money up front, do NOT do it. Ever. Never!!
KrisMonger
04-13-25, 07:05
Was in Mexico city for a week and really didn't have issues finding arrangements via seeking. Most of them were into PPM and most of them had no issues video chatting. Prices were around 3500 to 5000 MXN for a date night, but one (Marianna I think) asked for 15000 MXN (I laughed her off). Going above 30 gets you in the 3500 mxn range. Stayed in an airbnb and didn't have any issue with bringing folks in.
Women play men by starting high. Just like list price on a car. Then the men think they got a bargain and are a good negotiator because they got a break from their first offer. I can quickly value the woman based upon appearance, personality and if they are ghetto trash. Then that's it. Often I find out in the bedroom they have trashy tattoos from jail / gang culture, or their tits sag from baby suckage, or they have scars from boob jobs, tummy tucks, breast lifts, etc that make the adventure a site for blind eyes. All one can do is not repeat, it does no good to try to renegotiate at that point, they will demand their money for "their time" and you have no options because they will start screaming bloody murder and threaten to turn you in to the police, but rarely will they do so.
Again, once you give the woman the money up front you are asking for problems, bro! I never, never pay / reward the woman up front. Does the boss pay his workers on Monday and see if they show up the rest of the week and work hard? No, the boss pays his workers on Friday after a hard worked week. You give up CONTROL and the girl can run away. Does it happen? 50% of the time. Its called Reinforcement Theory. Once the mouse has the cheese do you think it will then run the maze? Heck no, it will eat the cheese right away and then look for a new game to play elsewhere with another piece of cheese offered and remember how stupid you were.
I simply tell them no, and they can go it they do not like it, bye! I have walked out of the door to their hotel room several times when they ask for money up front, do NOT do it. Ever. Never!!I don't necessarily disagree with your comments. I, like you am wary of the trouble that one can find themselves in if not careful. That said, I do evaluate each situation as it comes along. I had surmised based on our conversations prior to our date that she was what she claimed to be. Even so, we met for dinner first and I was certainly not going to hand over any money at that point. Over dinner it became apparent that she was on the higher end of the spectrum and I felt comfortable handing her an envelope once we returned to my hotel. Could she have flaked out and left at that point? I suppose yes, but I accept there's some inherent risk to this game and I elected to go with my gut. If I had truly sensed she wasn't kosher, I would left her at the restaurant. I'm old enough and experienced enough to usually suss out the flakes etc, but recognize that at some point I might get taken. Sometimes it's worth the risk.
Stirling.
So now that I no longer have a paid Seeking membership, all of a sudden women supposedly in my area are making the first move by sending me messages. Messages that I of course can't read without a paid membership! That rarely ever happened when I had a paid membership. So why now? Nope! Seeking isn't getting any more of my money. Not ever! Overall it mostly proved to be a huge waste of time and definitely a waste of money for me using Seeking in the States. And I don't need it overseas so good riddance! Lure another sucker into re-subscribing just to read a "fake" message like "Hi" waiting for you LOL!
So now that I no longer have a paid Seeking membership, all of a sudden women supposedly in my area are making the first move by sending me messages. Messages that I of course can't read without a paid membership! That rarely ever happened when I had a paid membership. So why now? Nope! Seeking isn't getting any more of my money. Not ever! Overall it mostly proved to be a huge waste of time and definitely a waste of money for me using Seeking in the States. And I don't need it overseas so good riddance! Lure another sucker into re-subscribing just to read a "fake" message like "Hi" waiting for you LOL!They feature your photo all around the 2 days before and then after your membership has expired. To motivate you to come back again. If you come back you will find out all the messages and views were from continents away, by people you could not meet in person, time wasters. All the dating websites do this. Fake.
They feature your photo all around the 2 days before and then after your membership has expired. To motivate you to come back again. If you come back you will find out all the messages and views were from continents away, by people you could not meet in person, time wasters. All the dating websites do this. Fake.Yes, I noticed the same thing with SugarDaddyMeet.com (SDM), but at least it's not those fake bot messages you get from Secret Benefits. Generally had good experiences on SDM too. Even if there's less ladies on it, I like the lower cost and not getting kicked off for negotiating prices on the site.
VanessasClient
04-22-25, 23:36
So now that I no longer have a paid Seeking membership, all of a sudden women supposedly in my area are making the first move by sending me messages. Messages that I of course can't read without a paid membership! That rarely ever happened when I had a paid membership. So why now? Nope! Seeking isn't getting any more of my money. Not ever! Overall it mostly proved to be a huge waste of time and definitely a waste of money for me using Seeking in the States. And I don't need it overseas so good riddance! Lure another sucker into re-subscribing just to read a "fake" message like "Hi" waiting for you LOL!That's going to happen if you have your location (city) set to the USA. I NEVER use the seeking app, or seeking from the browser on my phone, because the site will ask for location permission. Which might conflict with the location you specify. I ONLY use seeking from a desktop computer, which I will not be prompted for location access, and can set my city to wherever I goddamn well please, without a VPN.
With all the experience I have in life now, it is beyond me why anyone would pursue a gringa woman in this day and age.
VanessasClient
05-15-25, 21:55
"Successful" members are now required to list a weight in pounds or kilograms. Now, it will be interesting to see if they attempt to enforce this. What if a woman sends them a complaint saying "he put down in his profile that he's 180 pounds. But when I got to the date I could tell he was 300 without him even stepping on the scale!" Well, I guess it's time to bring a portable scale to the restaurant.
Manizales911
05-16-25, 00:21
"Successful" members are now required to list a weight in pounds or kilograms. Now, it will be interesting to see if they attempt to enforce this. What if a woman sends them a complaint saying "he put down in his profile that he's 180 pounds. But when I got to the date I could tell he was 300 without him even stepping on the scale!" Well, I guess it's time to bring a portable scale to the restaurant.The only weight the girls care about is the weight of your wallet.
VanessasClient
05-16-25, 01:54
The only weight the girls care about is the weight of your wallet.Some, but not all girls.
Also, I don't know if they are making this mandatory "attractive" members too (the women, remember men are called "successful" members). It might be that they making this new requirement for men only, and not the women of the site. Someone else might be able to confirm or deny.
Expat American
05-16-25, 07:20
Is it wrong that I kind of like it when girls have daddy issues? I always ask on first date: who do you live with, how's your relationship with your parents? And when I find out a girl has daddy issues (dad left when she was x, don't know dad, dad lives in another state) I know quite a bit about her. Usually those girls are approval seeking, have poor boundaries, more willing to take direction. They are the least likely to put their foot down and say things like I don't X on the first date. They are the most likely to assume that if you're suggesting it confidently it's what we should be doing right now.
(PSA to Dads: don't leave your daughters. It's awful and it messes then up.)Back many moons ago when SA in the US was full of normal girls rather than pro, I met this mid 20's girl who had serious daddy and other issues. But she was one of the most submissive compliant girls I have ever met. She did everything and anything (lots of hard spanking, slapping, spitting, piss in mouth) and pleasing me was her life's mission. I took her to sex clubs and used her up, down and sideways in pubic and she would still be begging to give me a BJ on the drive home. She was adopted from Russia as a child where apparently her dad tried to burn the house down with her in it (or so she told me) so, yeah damaged goods for sure.
I never even paid her a lot of cash, I paid her phone bill, bought her some groceries now and then and she was happy with it. Then she got a "BF" who turned out to be a pimp and he put her on the motel hooking circuit and I saw her ads online. Have no idea where she may be now but probably nowhere good.
I don't know how I feel about it now. Maybe I was filling some "need" in her as well but I'm sure it wasn't a healthy one. But at the time it seemed we were both getting something out of it.
AmericanPi
05-19-25, 14:05
Back many moons ago when SA in the US was full of normal girls rather than pro, I met this mid 20's girl who had serious daddy and other issues. But she was one of the most submissive compliant girls I have ever met. She did everything and anything (lots of hard spanking, slapping, spitting, piss in mouth) and pleasing me was her life's mission. I took her to sex clubs and used her up, down and sideways in pubic and she would still be begging to give me a BJ on the drive home. She was adopted from Russia as a child where apparently her dad tried to burn the house down with her in it (or so she told me) so, yeah damaged goods for sure.
I never even paid her a lot of cash, I paid her phone bill, bought her some groceries now and then and she was happy with it. Then she got a "BF" who turned out to be a pimp and he put her on the motel hooking circuit and I saw her ads online. Have no idea where she may be now but probably nowhere good..Just got back from a week abroad. Met 4 girls. Every one I ask about their family. Because I want to get to the part about dad, and when it comes I think "OK there it is."
One dad has a new wife 2 years older than her and lives abroad.
One dad lives in another city and is pretty absent. But as she says he's still my dad so I still love him.
One also has a dad in another city. Parents divorced and mom took the kids and moved away.
It's sad that it makes me horny because I see this beautiful weak gazelle. I know she'll be banging me in 90 minutes and part of it is unresolved daddy issues.
Dads, again, don't abandon your daughters. Assholes like me are just around the corner.
Back many moons ago when SA in the US was full of normal girls rather than pro, I met this mid 20's girl who had serious daddy and other issues. But she was one of the most submissive compliant girls I have ever met. She did everything and anything (lots of hard spanking, slapping, spitting, piss in mouth) and pleasing me was her life's mission. I took her to sex clubs and used her up, down and sideways in pubic and she would still be begging to give me a BJ on the drive home. She was adopted from Russia as a child where apparently her dad tried to burn the house down with her in it (or so she told me) so, yeah damaged goods for sure.
Then she got a "BF" who turned out to be a pimp and he put her on the motel hooking circuit and I saw her ads online. Have no idea where she may be now but probably nowhere good..Sounds like the 29-year-old Russian adoptee I am now porking. All the Russian girls like to fuck. That is the "need" you are fulfilling as well as paying them off for the fuck.
Sounds like the 29-year-old Russian adoptee I am now porking. All the Russian girls like to fuck. That is the "need" you are fulfilling as well as paying them off for the fuck.I have found Russian girls to be really good fucks too. Just not through Seeking LOL. Has me thinking about taking another trip to the UAE. I find them in Germany too, but not in the concentration that exists in the UAE.
DwayneJohnson
05-30-25, 08:12
https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-woman-allegedly-robs-sugar-daddy-after-sin-city-weekend-report
Overpaid and still doesn't get to have sex instead gets robbed. I don't get showing off wealth to paid sex workers.
P.S.: girl in the photo looks below average to me when compared to EU girls hence the use of "overpaid".
Locamotive
05-30-25, 16:38
https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-woman-allegedly-robs-sugar-daddy-after-sin-city-weekend-report
Overpaid and still doesn't get to have sex instead gets robbed. I don't get showing off wealth to paid sex workers.
P.S.: girl in the photo looks below average to me when compared to EU girls hence the use of "overpaid".$2500. HaHaHaHa. And people wonder why we travel. If I was Elon Musk I'm not paying 2500 for pussy, ID be sick just thinking what I paid.
VanessasClient
06-01-25, 20:32
It just happened the other day. Not only did they remove income and assets, but prices are going up as well, as long mandatory weight. They claim that weight can be hidden, but that doesn't stop the female members from putting it into their search criteria. Even if it's not visible on the profile, they can still filter out.
https://blog.seeking.com/why-we-removed-net-worth-and-income-fields-and-introduced-new-changes?utm_source=onsite&utm_campaign=reasonswhy
Steve 9696
06-01-25, 23:09
It just happened the other day. Not only did they remove income and assets, but prices are going up as well, as long mandatory weight. They claim that weight can be hidden, but that doesn't stop the female members from putting it into their search criteria. Even if it's not visible on the profile, they can still filter out.
https://blog.seeking.com/why-we-removed-net-worth-and-income-fields-and-introduced-new-changes?utm_source=onsite&utm_campaign=reasonswhyInteresting. I actually find the weight helpful. More for girl weights. I was browsing and saw an attractive girl. No body shots. Then read her weight was 180-190. Ok time saved! Thank you Seeking!
I don't really have a problem with the pricing. If your going to date girls at $500/ pop in USA who gives a fuck whether it's $110 or $130/ Mon. If you don't have that coin then fish elsewhere.
Interesting. I actually find the weight helpful. More for girl weights. I wa browsing and saw an attractive girl. No body shots. Then read her weight was 180-190. Ok time saved! Thank you Seeking!
I don't really have a problem with the pricing. If your going to date girls at $500/ pop in USA who gives a fuck whether it's $110 or $130/ Mon. If you don't have that coin then fish elsewhere.And what makes you think the women won't lie about their weight like they do about their age, their looks (posting old pics), etc? Sounds like a fatty told you the truth, but you know plenty of others will lie. As far as I see, it's just the same old same old as long as people are being people. Regarding the price, I have that kind of coin and then some. It's not just about the money. It's about the return I'm getting on my money (and my time). Again, acknowledging the States is the only place I ever used Seeking, just too many fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers! And I don't do $500/ pop in the USA with average looking girls either. I'll be sticking exclusively to overseas trips to Brazil, Germany, and other countries. With some of those trips being up to a month at a time. Combining a love of travel with a lust for fucking attractive girls at favorable prices. That's how I do. Look for future field reports.
VanessasClient
06-03-25, 04:52
Ever since they removed income and assets, far fewer women have been contacting me, despite the number of profile views, jajajaja. Money talks.
AmericanPi
06-05-25, 15:17
Anybody know when the price increase is taking effect, or how much it's going to be?
Is it wrong that I kind of like it when girls have daddy issues?Well, it's abusing another person's developmental trauma, which she is re-enacting again and again. A girl who believes to be fundamentally bad and worthless (for Dad / men) will do things that keep that belief of her self-worth (lesness) alive and well.
Question is, would one wish that to be done for himself? One's own sister? Children?
I think one can feel for these individuals and enjoy their company, but it has to be sexless. Just appreciation, admiration and humane love. That is what heals them. But the requirement is to sacrifice one's own sexual urges.
Plenty of girls out there who just want to abuse us to get paid.
Well, it's abusing another person's developmental trauma, which she is re-enacting again and again. A girl who believes to be fundamentally bad and worthless (for Dad / men) will do things that keep that belief of her self-worth (lesness) alive and well.
Question is, would one wish that to be done for himself? One's own sister? Children?
I think one can feel for these individuals and enjoy their company, but it has to be sexless. Just appreciation, admiration and humane love. That is what heals them. But the requirement is to sacrifice one's own sexual urges.
Plenty of girls out there who just want to abuse us to get paid.Is it wrong to just say, hey, not my problem. Everyone is abusing everyone else to some degree. Everyone acts in self interest alone. This whole site is about how to "abuse" women. And in turn the women "abuse" us. She's a women with "daddy" issues. We're all men with "sex" issues. Who's abusing who more? Are her daddy issues worse for her than my addiciton to sex is for me? She should have the self awareness not to sell herself for money just as we should have the self awareness that all this empty sex that we buy isn't going to fill the void in our souls. My issues are not her problem, her issues are not mine.
And what makes you think the women won't lie about their weight like they do about their age, their looks (posting old pics), etc? Sounds like a fatty told you the truth, but you know plenty of others will lie. As far as I see, it's just the same old same old as long as people are being people. Regarding the price, I have that kind of coin and then some. It's not just about the money. It's about the return I'm getting on my money (and my time). Again, acknowledging the States is the only place I ever used Seeking, just too many fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers! And I don't do $500/ pop in the USA with average looking girls either. I'll be sticking exclusively to overseas trips to Brazil, Germany, and other countries. With some of those trips being up to a month at a time. Combining a love of travel with a lust for fucking attractive girls at favorable prices. That's how I do. Look for future field reports.I'm waiting for seeking to implement mandatory videos like fatalmodel does in Brazil. But I imagine that now with advanced AI, there will some be a way to fake videos of oneself very soon.
I'm waiting for seeking to implement mandatory videos like fatalmodel does in Brazil. But I imagine that now with advanced AI, there will some be a way to fake videos of oneself very soon.That's already happening it's already happening!
VanessasClient
06-06-25, 01:24
Well, it's abusing another person's developmental trauma, which she is re-enacting again and again. A girl who believes to be fundamentally bad and worthless (for Dad / men) will do things that keep that belief of her self-worth (lesness) alive and well.
Question is, would one wish that to be done for himself? One's own sister? Children?
I think one can feel for these individuals and enjoy their company, but it has to be sexless. Just appreciation, admiration and humane love. That is what heals them. But the requirement is to sacrifice one's own sexual urges.
Plenty of girls out there who just want to abuse us to get paid.The "father complex" idea was invented by one sigmund freud. Mr. Freud's heyday was in the late 1800's. A time in history where the scientific community had very little understanding of the human mind. We no longer live in 1890. Most psychologists who have graduated during the past decade VEHEMENTLY condemn nearly all of the theories presented freud, with the possible exception of defense mechanisms. The idea of "daddy issues" came from an individual who is now recognized as a KNOWN PERVERT! Today we can treat people with cognitive behavioral therapy, and do not rely on retarded concepts such as the oedipus complex.
Tell me something. Let's say that a woman is born to a father who divorced the mom during pregnancy because he found out she was cheating. So the dad raises the girl by himself for the first 8 years, doing an excellent job. The girl is doing very well in school, and shows promising signs of becoming a very productive and capable adult. But then the dad suddenly dies unexpectedly, so she goes to live with her mom. And by now the mom is a crack addict, so the girl is either neglected, abused, or whatever it is you think happens to girls who have daddy issues. If the girl drops out of school and goes to live on the streets, are you all the sudden going to say she has "mommy issues" instead? Get real. Anything can cause childhood trauma; don't blame it solely on fathers who are losers.
The "father complex" idea was invented by one Sigmund freud. All you need to understand about Sigmund Freud is his theory about "Penis Envy. " Women wish they had a penis- because they envy yours, so be sure to give it to them. Long, hard, fast, slow. Put it in and take it out. Turn it all about, that's the hokey pokey!
Lovely rant, VanessasClient. But I see you lack any understanding about the issue you are raving about.
...retarded concepts such as the oedipus complex.And definitely let's not talk about Madonna / working girl-complex. On a *****monger forum. No sexual deviants here!
About the issue of Seeking, is there a country in Europe or nearby that would provide university aged girls with 100-150 euros per hour or 200-250 for 2-3 hours?
I'd like to spend holiday on a country where it's cheaper than the local 200/250 per hour tax. I'm quite interested in Prague, but I guess that place would be 200+ per hour.
DwayneJohnson
06-07-25, 19:00
About the issue of Seeking, is there a country in Europe or nearby that would provide university aged girls with 100-150 euros per hour or 200-250 for 2-3 hours?
I'd like to spend holiday on a country where it's cheaper than the local 200/250 per hour tax. I'm quite interested in Prague, but I guess that place would be 200+ per hour.Athens is full of Ukrainian girls, escort rates are around 150 euro. Filis street "wham bam thank you mam" privats are cheaper but that also means escort rates do not explode like rest of Europe. However if you only hunt on seeking then rates are very similar in most of the Europe. Barcelona is slightly cheaper for escorts than Athens but girls are less taller than Athens and slightly more percentage of brunettes to blonde or ginger.
I recently saw a travel show where the host encouraged connecting with locals. It made me think about how that's an unexpected benefit of sa. I had great experiences a few years ago in bcn, and really enjoyed practicing my spanish with locals. My favorite experience was with a girl I don't think I would've picked on paper (more alt looking, bi, vegan) but who was super fun to hang out with and great in bed. I even liked the vegan places we went LOL. It didn't hurt my hotel had a nice rooftop pool and bar so we'the hang out there and have a few cocktails before going in. I'll never forget her carrying a large purse with all her sex toys in it to dinner so we could use them later LOL or fucking her in fishnets.
Going back to bcn in a few months with sb I've been seeing and probably going to stay at the same hotel. Last time I found a fun spot to fuck outside at the hotel. Sb would be down for it but wondering if showing her will make her ask questions LOL.
Athens is full of Ukrainian girls, escort rates are around 150 euro. Filis street "wham bam thank you mam" privats are cheaper but that also means escort rates do not explode like rest of Europe. However if you only hunt on seeking then rates are very similar in most of the Europe. Barcelona is slightly cheaper for escorts than Athens but girls are less taller than Athens and slightly more percentage of brunettes to blonde or ginger.I've been reading the forum and checking out the escort sites of Athens, among other countries. After a trip to Barcelona I noticed that I would like to stick to "non-pros", as they have been the best experience in my home country. Thus, the escort sites and massage parlor reviews won't give valid information about what to expect and where to go for. I've used other platforms than Seeking, which seems to be getting more and more negative comments from hobbyists, but it's probably the best way that there is. Other ways I've used have been really demanding for time and not even efficient. Real pictures are essential, or at least to be able to get them before meeting. I'm quite a scrutinizer for body and face, even though I don't look for the miss universe type.
All I'd really want is to find one, two or three natural, cute semi-fit 20 something to cover up the sex part for a few week trip and pay them like 150 euro per meeting. Could this be achieved through Seeking in Portugal, Spain, Czech or Greece? Or is the SEA or South America the only way to fulfill this ideal arrangement?
retarded concepts such as the Oedipus complex.
I usually eat-a-puss complexly if allowed.
NoBuglyFitches
06-09-25, 03:59
Athens is full of Ukrainian girls, escort rates are around 150 euro What's a good site or agency for escorts in Athens?
DwayneJohnson
06-09-25, 06:40
I've been reading the forum and checking out the escort sites of Athens, among other countries. After a trip to Barcelona I noticed that I would like to stick to "non-pros", as they have been the best experience in my home country. Thus, the escort sites and massage parlor reviews won't give valid information about what to expect and where to go for. I've used other platforms than Seeking, which seems to be getting more and more negative comments from hobbyists, but it's probably the best way that there is. Other ways I've used have been really demanding for time and not even efficient. Real pictures are essential, or at least to be able to get them before meeting. I'm quite a scrutinizer for body and face, even though I don't look for the miss universe type.
All I'd really want is to find one, two or three natural, cute semi-fit 20 something to cover up the sex part for a few week trip and pay them like 150 euro per meeting. Could this be achieved through Seeking in Portugal, Spain, Czech or Greece? Or is the SEA or South America the only way to fulfill this ideal arrangement?Non-pro price range depends more on physical attractiveness and flirting skills of buyer than the location. Even after that $150 per meeting is too low for a client without long term prospect in most of the Europe. You might get some pro's pretending as Non-pro at that price. I see lot of pros also making profile as Non-pro on seeking in prague, I use local Czech version similar to seeking (hledamsponzora dot cz) but it's not worth the hassle for tourists. SEA or South America are far better option for your requirements.
Steve 9696
06-09-25, 13:09
I've been reading the forum and checking out the escort sites of Athens, among other countries. After a trip to Barcelona I noticed that I would like to stick to "non-pros", as they have been the best experience in my home country. Thus, the escort sites and massage parlor reviews won't give valid information about what to expect and where to go for. I've used other platforms than Seeking, which seems to be getting more and more negative comments from hobbyists, but it's probably the best way that there is. Other ways I've used have been really demanding for time and not even efficient. Real pictures are essential, or at least to be able to get them before meeting. I'm quite a scrutinizer for body and face, even though I don't look for the miss universe type.
All I'd really want is to find one, two or three natural, cute semi-fit 20 something to cover up the sex part for a few week trip and pay them like 150 euro per meeting. Could this be achieved through Seeking in Portugal, Spain, Czech or Greece? Or is the SEA or South America the only way to fulfill this ideal arrangement?I really don't think you are going to find a Seeking girl for 150 in Europe that meets your bar. The economy simply doesn't support such a low number. I've been able to find a couple GND girls in Spain at 250 but even that is not easy girls in Spain (a second tier economy) seem locked in at 300-350. Others may have deeper Euro experience than me but I doubt 150 is happening.
On the other hand finding that in Brazil is easy. I've had a few great and stunning girls at 500 R ($90) even. One became long term and travel girl.
DramaFree11
06-09-25, 14:56
I really don't think you are going to find a Seeking girl for 150 in Europe that meets your bar. The economy simply doesn't support such a low number. I've been able to find a couple GND girls in Spain at 250 but even that is not easy girls in Spain (a second tier economy) seem locked in at 300-350. Others may have deeper Euro experience than me but I doubt 150 is happening.
On the other hand finding that in Brazil is easy. I've had a few great and stunning girls at 500 R ($90) even. One became long term and travel girl.Yep, in CDMX I am paying between $225-300 in CDMX. A little less in MTY.
CherchezFemme
06-09-25, 23:58
Guys, I want to fly a provider to meet me in Europe. Most of these girls I met in Brazil.
I would like advice on how much I should pay (roughly) and advice on how to set up the behavior I expect. Would love to hear from those who have actually done it and can give advice based on experience. What I mean is how to inoculate against possible problems such as her saying she has a headache, her period started early (I'll still want to fuck). Basically how to install the frame that even though we're going to have fun she needs to be PROFESSIONAL and behave like a professional.
I want her to hang with me a few days in my hometown, then travel a bit around Italy and probably Spain and Portugal. I want sex 2 x a day and of course I would want a nice fun attitude and no whining.
I only want to bring a girl I've already fucked, which leaves me with these choices. UNLESS you think I can do it successfully without knowing the girl beforehand. There are a lot of girls in Brazil and Colombia!
The girls I know:
1 - fantastic girl, sweet and we really had good chemistry, 25 yo. My top choice, but she is replying less and less to my messages and didn't say much to my offer of flying her to Europe, other than saying she was afraid of long flights. So I can't count on her.
2 - Nice enough girl, 22, but very Gen Z. A little moody, a bit quiet, a bit slow to respond, her IG is nothing but anime memes. She seems the most interested. I'm slightly concerned that she wouldn't be 100 percent compliant.
3- Nice girl, 28, a bit dumb but that's probably a bonus. Does not have a passport. Not sure she can get her act together and get an expedited passport in time.
4- a real pro, she's already done 2 tours of Europe working as an independent escort. She would do it but will probably ask too much. She's smart with her money (and good for her).
So any advice is welcome.
Non-pro price range depends more on physical attractiveness and flirting skills of buyer than the location. Even after that $150 per meeting is too low for a client without long term prospect in most of the Europe. You might get some pro's pretending as Non-pro at that price. I see lot of pros also making profile as Non-pro on seeking in prague, I use local Czech version similar to seeking (hledamsponzora dot cz) but it's not worth the hassle for tourists. SEA or South America are far better option for your requirements.Interesting about the Czech version. Currently in Prague, and it's filled with Ukrainian hotties. Had a fair share of them so far in the massage parlours, all model quality. Been searching for some on Seeking, can't find any. Can't be bothered with Czech women, wondering if this site you mentioned has any Ukrainian girls on there? 'Sponsor' culture is quite normalised and common with Russian and Ukrainian girls, just can't seem to find a way to access them in Prague. I've seen a few foreign older guys waking around with Ukrainian hotties too, so definitely feel like I'm missing out on something. Would appreciate some intel on this.
VanessasClient
06-10-25, 02:36
Guys, I want to fly a provider to meet me in Europe. Most of these girls I met in Brazil.
I would like advice on how much I should pay (roughly) and advice on how to set up the behavior I expect. Would love to hear from those who have actually done it and can give advice based on experience. What I mean is how to inoculate against possible problems such as her saying she has a headache, her period started early (I'll still want to fuck). Basically how to install the frame that even though we're going to have fun she needs to be PROFESSIONAL and behave like a professional.
I want her to hang with me a few days in my hometown, then travel a bit around Italy and probably Spain and Portugal. I want sex 2 x a day and of course I would want a nice fun attitude and no whining.
I only want to bring a girl I've already fucked, which leaves me with these choices. UNLESS you think I can do it successfully without knowing the girl beforehand. There are a lot of girls in Brazil and Colombia!
The girls I know:
1 - fantastic girl, sweet and we really had good chemistry, 25 yo. My top choice, but she is replying less and less to my messages and didn't say much to my offer of flying her to Europe, other than saying she was afraid of long flights. So I can't count on her.
2 - Nice enough girl, 22, but very Gen Z. A little moody, a bit quiet, a bit slow to respond, her IG is nothing but anime memes. She seems the most interested. I'm slightly concerned that she wouldn't be 100 percent compliant.
3- Nice girl, 28, a bit dumb but that's probably a bonus. Does not have a passport. Not sure she can get her act together and get an expedited passport in time.
4- a real pro, she's already done 2 tours of Europe working as an independent escort. She would do it but will probably ask too much. She's smart with her money (and good for her).
So any advice is welcome.I've done it before, but won't do it anymore, unless the girl shows initiative; and 90% + of girls will not. I had success on 3 occasions in a row, with the same girl that I would continue to see. Were it not for the fact that she inadvertently got pregnant with another man's baby. She's going to keep the baby and attempt to start a family with the man; I have no clue whether it will work. Regardless.
There's another girl I tried it with last year. Like the other girl, she is someone I had spent time with before. First time she bailed because she claimed her grandmother was in the hospital. Lucky for me I had a refundable ticket with LatAm, so they covered me. I spoke to the hotel manager, and he also covered me on her room. But, I still lost money on some of the tours I had scheduled for she and I. The 2nd time I was willing to take much less risk, given my prior experience with her. So I said "if you want to see me and go on this vacation, you'll need to ride the bus" So I got her a bus ticket that cost $40 USD. She failed to get to the bus station on time, and blamed it on the rain. So from here on out, if she wants something from me, she's going to have to pay off her debt with the only bodily organ she has of any value; and quit hint, it's not her brain.
Anyway, there's another girl I can think of that I get along pretty well with. But, she has asthma and is prone to unexpected health problems. And the last thing I want is to get a call 2 hours before her flight telling me she's stuck in the emergency room. Because I don't always have a fully refundable flight.
Basically the conclusion I came to was that if you setup an arrangement like this, it is completely dependent on the other person upholding their end of the bargain. If they get into a car accident on the way to the airport, you are out of money. If they forgot it was their sister's wedding or birthday party the day of the flight, you are out of money. Or if they just change their mind and decide to mess with you for whatever reason, you are also at a loss. Women in general are far more volatile and far less reliable than men, and in the end I just decided it wasn't worth the risk anymore.
Even the girl I struck gold with on those 3 occasions didn't provide sex quite as often as I would have preferred on 2 out of the 3 trips. Granted, there are legit reasons for not being in "the mood", such as a near fatal binge drinking episode resulting in a catastrophic hangover. But, even if I had pressured her or refused to pay what I agreed to, I 100% guarantee you that would have very bitterly ended that connection at bare minimum, but likely could have resulted in other repercussions. Remember, even if this woman doesn't have your room key, they know your room number. And there are few things foreign law enforcement love more than aggressively pursuing a gringo they perceive as wealthy. I wouldn't have pushed her for more sex anyhow after she already declined. Not only because it's inappropriate, but we didn't specify a specific number of times we were going to fuck before the trip; she just understood that sex was expected. Still, if you're going to take the risk on this kind of travel arrange, definitely do not pay any compensation until the very last day of the trip, ideally right before going to the airport.
I don't advise it; too risky for my taste. I'll just find a girl at my target destination. And if there are none to my liking, I'll just go alone, and with any luck I might meet someone while I'm over there. On that note, there was another girl I was talking to who had the money to pay for her own flight, and I told her I would reimburse her if her behavior on the trip was satisfactory. She declined. And that's where you'll get that 90+ % number from. More than likely 99% or higher.
CherchezFemme
06-10-25, 03:20
Great tip on the location, thanks.
That's going to happen if you have your location (city) set to the USA. I NEVER use the seeking app, or seeking from the browser on my phone, because the site will ask for location permission. Which might conflict with the location you specify. I ONLY use seeking from a desktop computer, which I will not be prompted for location access, and can set my city to wherever I goddamn well please, without a VPN.
With all the experience I have in life now, it is beyond me why anyone would pursue a gringa woman in this day and age.
CherchezFemme
06-10-25, 03:24
VanessasClient.
Your reply is depressing but rings of truth. There are no guarantees are there? Plus women are far less reliable than men. Add in the fact that these girls are pros and most pros IME are average intelligence at best, and tend towards the dumb side of the bell curve. It's crazy how slow some of them are to respond. With most you can't send them a long message with multiple ideas and questions because they won't reply to 90% of it.
Let's see if someone else chimes in.
AmericanPi
06-10-25, 14:08
VanessasClient.
Your reply is depressing but rings of truth. There are no guarantees are there? Plus women are far less reliable than men. Add in the fact that these girls are pros and most pros IME are average intelligence at best, and tend towards the dumb side of the bell curve. It's crazy how slow some of them are to respond. With most you can't send them a long message with multiple ideas and questions because they won't reply to 90% of it.
Let's see if someone else chimes in.It's a total cliche but some stereotypes are true.
I very often have experiences with these girls, observe general stupidity, and think this is the reason I'm in a position to pay this money and you're in the position to work for it.
Just constant random things. You ask 2 questions on text but they can only answer one at a time. You ask them their life plans and they're retarded stuff like to be an influencer. You ask about their interests and they all revolve around stupid vapid nonsense.
I often look at them and think, wow either some guy is going to rescue you or you're going to spend your life working retail because you don't seem to have the cognitive power or base ambition to really do anything more than what you're doing now.
(Mind you I'm only talking about the majority. Yes exceptions exist).
Steve 9696
06-10-25, 18:36
VanessasClient.
Your reply is depressing but rings of truth. There are no guarantees are there? Plus women are far less reliable than men. Add in the fact that these girls are pros and most pros IME are average intelligence at best, and tend towards the dumb side of the bell curve. It's crazy how slow some of them are to respond. With most you can't send them a long message with multiple ideas and questions because they won't reply to 90% of it.
Let's see if someone else chimes in.I've prob flown girls 15 times and been pretty lucky but been burned twice. In no case du I know the girl more than fucked once or maybe twice.
Interestingly all girls that I've flown from US city A to US city B have not flaked and been great. Las Vegas to Miami. Philly to Dallas. That kind of thing.
I have successfully flown Brazilians to Europe twice. And it was AMAZING. But also two fails. One time I flew a girl from Buenos Aires to London and she dumped me and fucked other guys! Fuck that hurt. More recently I have had two Brazilian girls bail because their mother was worried and put her foot down. One I lost Airfare and the other (just yesterday!) got cold feet before I booked. Her mom was worried about her being trafficked by this guy she didn't know well.
So def be careful. It can be wonderful or tank. Def pay attention to the strong mother daughter vibe in Brazil. The momma trumps all!
DwayneJohnson
06-10-25, 22:12
Interesting about the Czech version. Currently in Prague, and it's filled with Ukrainian hotties. Had a fair share of them so far in the massage parlours, all model quality. Been searching for some on Seeking, can't find any. Can't be bothered with Czech women, wondering if this site you mentioned has any Ukrainian girls on there? 'Sponsor' culture is quite normalised and common with Russian and Ukrainian girls, just can't seem to find a way to access them in Prague. I've seen a few foreign older guys waking around with Ukrainian hotties too, so definitely feel like I'm missing out on something. Would appreciate some intel on this.Ukrainian girls are mostly found in massage parlors or privats. Seeking doesn't get same level of Ukrainian inflow as those in privats due to language barrier or lack of popularity. Those older guys with hot girls probably picked them up from privats or Showpark.
CherchezFemme
06-11-25, 02:10
I've prob flown girls 15 times and been pretty lucky ;.Thanks for the anecdote, that's what I was looking for.
How much money did you give the Brazilians and for how long?
My top choice says both of her parents have passed so no mama drama there.
I'm waiting to get some positive signals from them. Maybe I'll mention the money, specifically, and see if they show more interest.
I'm leaning towards not doing this.
Steve 9696
06-11-25, 14:36
Thanks for the anecdote, that's what I was looking for.
How much money did you give the Brazilians and for how long?
My top choice says both of her parents have passed so no mama drama there.
I'm waiting to get some positive signals from them. Maybe I'll mention the money, specifically, and see if they show more interest.
I'm leaning towards not doing this.Generally when I stay with a girl for a few days I give them the same PPM per day as I gave them on our first date. So if I gave a girl 500 R and our date was 3 hrs I also give her 500 R per day. This is whether I visit their city and stay together or I fly them somewhere.
I might try to bring it down a bit based on the travel expense and her getting several days in a row. Like the most recent girl I was flying to Europe propose. I was giving her 1500-2000 R / night (if you met her you would see this is 100% worth it) and she said how about 3500 R for our four day trip.
Hopefully that gives you some framework.
Elvis 2008
06-11-25, 17:26
Thanks for the anecdote, that's what I was looking for.
How much money did you give the Brazilians and for how long?
My top choice says both of her parents have passed so no mama drama there.
I'm waiting to get some positive signals from them. Maybe I'll mention the money, specifically, and see if they show more interest.
I'm leaning towards not doing this.I have flown girls from Colombia to Mexico. IMO if you think there is a chance they are not coming or will not make it through customs, then I would not bother. If you are sure she is coming, then send her the ticket. If you think there is a good chance she wants to go, there is a 3rd option.
I had one gal that I was pretty sure really wanted to come to Mexico but I was worried about her making it through Mexican customs, so I flew with her from Colombia to Mexico. For you, I know it is a hassle and an expense, but if you really want a Brazilian girl to go with you, you should fly to Brazil and take the flight to Europe with her.
There are all these rules and regs we guys take for granted that these women do not know like no perfume in your carry on and do not be decked out in jewelery. I have had that and other issues when traveling with a sugar baby.
Then there is just the overall conduct of people not knowing you have virtually no rights when traveling. We all to know as agreeable as possible when traveling. Many women do not. I had one idiot woman slam her passport in front of a customs agent once. I was so embarrassed. I was like this guy has like 10 X the power of a cop and you just pissed him off. She was dead to me after that trip.
You should read the Mann Act. I do not know of the USA government doing anything with bringing a woman across international borders, and I doubt this will be a problem, but you should have some plausible deniability if the issue were to come up.
It does not appear as if Europe is anywhere near as anal as the Americas on trafficking, but the profile of the trafficked woman is a single young attractive woman travelling on her own, and the airline itself can deny her entry. No one questioned me and this SB about anything. When we got to Mexico, we were thoroughly searched as were other passengers but I think customs was looking for drugs as we were coming from Colombia after all.
VanessasClient
06-12-25, 16:30
Elvis brought up a good point. The Colombian I used to see was worried about getting past immigration in Mexico. They have "requirements" for entry. Sometimes they are not evenly enforced access the board, depending on the agent at the desk that particular day. Even if no visa is required, you usually have to show proof of where you will be staying, a return ticket proving when you will leave, as well as sufficient funds to support yourself during your visit. Some countries require a card showing proof of yellow fever vaccine if you are arriving from South America, the Caribbean, and certain other places.
Anyway, I guess she had every right to be worried. I gave her suggestions on how to behave. I told her that the very moment she approaches the agent at the desk, before they have even have a chance to ask for her passport, she should loudly announce "Hola, como estas? And offer to shake their hand through the glass window. I told her not to say it so loud that it sounds like a scream or a shout, and that she should also appear bubbly and have a huge smile on her face. I tried to explain to her that drug smugglers and other visitors with ill intentions are trying to maintain as low of a profile as possible. And that if she is jumping up and down, behaving all lively and excited, she's going to draw attention to herself. But the important thing is that she's going to look like a tourist, which is exactly what we want. If you show up to the desk wearing a Lei around your neck and have sun screen smeared all over your cheeks, the agent is more likely to think "Oh great, just another annoying tourist. Let me hurry them through and maybe they will go spend some money in gaudy gift shops. ".
She told me "yes yes, of course, I am always very polite with people in the airport. " Anyway, I had an internet signal on my flight, and I get a Whatsapp from her that they are detaining her. Not sending her back to Colombia, but just pulling her aside from further review. I don't remember the exact amount of time they held her, but it was at least a couple of hours, because my flight was scheduled to land after hers. Anyway, they verified her hotel and return flight, but said there was an issue with her passport. So they literally gave her a new passport on the spot, with a new picture. I was shocked, I didn't even know the Mexican government had a laminating machine to print passports for another country (Colombia) inside of the airport. I thought passports were only manufactured in consular centers for the country in question.
The agent wrote a note next to her passport stamp saying "This woman is to be gone by xx date, and not a day later" which coincided with the date of her return flight. When I met her inside of the airport, she told me she was scared when they held her in the room like that.
Anyway, that's one more thing to consider. Just because a visa is not required, doesn't mean they are going to let her in. The girl in question has to know how to follow instructions.
Also, I had a girl with asthma ask me to buy her a vape pen one time, but I didn't know she had breathing trouble before I bought it. Let's suppose I had declined. Or, maybe she wants you to take her to the mall to buy expensive jewelry or designer hand bags. What if you refuse because that wasn't included in the original plans? Now you have a woman traveling with you that is maybe pissed at you because you didn't get her everything her little heart desired. If you are going to do it, I would also have a backup plan in case something like this happens.
I have flown girls from Colombia to Mexico. IMO if you think there is a chance they are not coming or will not make it through customs, then I would not bother. If you are sure she is coming, then send her the ticket. If you think there is a good chance she wants to go, there is a 3rd option.
I had one gal that I was pretty sure really wanted to come to Mexico but I was worried about her making it through Mexican customs, so I flew with her from Colombia to Mexico. For you, I know it is a hassle and an expense, but if you really want a Brazilian girl to go with you, you should fly to Brazil and take the flight to Europe with her.
There are all these rules and regs we guys take for granted that these women do not know like no perfume in your carry on and do not be decked out in jewelery. I have had that and other issues when traveling with a sugar baby.
Then there is just the overall conduct of people not knowing you have virtually no rights when traveling. We all to know as agreeable as possible when traveling. Many women do not. I had one idiot woman slam her passport in front of a customs agent once. I was so embarrassed. I was like this guy has like 10 X the power of a cop and you just pissed him off. She was dead to me after that trip.
You should read the Mann Act. I do not know of the USA government doing anything with bringing a woman across international borders, and I doubt this will be a problem, but you should have some plausible deniability if the issue were to come up.
It does not appear as if Europe is anywhere near as anal as the Americas on trafficking, but the profile of the trafficked woman is a single young attractive woman travelling on her own, and the airline itself can deny her entry. No one questioned me and this SB about anything. When we got to Mexico, we were thoroughly searched as were other passengers but I think customs was looking for drugs as we were coming from Colombia after all.
Manizales911
06-12-25, 20:05
She told me "yes yes, of course, I am always very polite with people in the airport. " Anyway, I had an internet signal on my flight, and I get a Whatsapp from her that they are detaining her. Not sending her back to Colombia, but just pulling her aside from further review. I don't remember the exact amount of time they held her, but it was at least a couple of hours, because my flight was scheduled to land after hers. Anyway, they verified her hotel and return flight, but said there was an issue with her passport. So they literally gave her a new passport on the spot, with a new picture. I was shocked, I didn't even know the Mexican government had a laminating machine to print passports for another country (Colombia) inside of the airport. I thought passports were only manufactured in consular centers for the country in question.
The agent wrote a note next to her passport stamp saying "This woman is to be gone by xx date, and not a day later" which coincided with the date of her return flight. When I met her inside of the airport, she told me she was scared when they held her in the room like that.
Somebody is bullshitting somebody here because there is ZERO chance of the Mexican authorities printing a new passport onsite and CERTAINLY no chance of them printing a passport for a country other than Mexico.
VanessasClient
06-13-25, 01:12
Somebody is bullshitting somebody here because there is ZERO chance of the Mexican authorities printing a new passport onsite and CERTAINLY no chance of them printing a passport for a country other than Mexico.Good thing for me that you are so knowledgeable, and that I'm in the business of justifying my personal affairs with other people.
Steve 9696
06-20-25, 11:02
Despite all the ridiculous BS of the search and vetting process, Seeking still rules. And for one simple reason. True GFE. I don't mean just kissing and BBBJ but a true girlfriend feeling like real affection and shared moments outside the bedroom.
I had met Ariana on Seekibg back in January. And we had just the best vibe. Felt 100% real. Went from a single date to staying together three days. The complete GFE where the money part really does feel like a gift you are giving your GF.
We live about 3000 miles apart so I hadn't see her since January. I arrived the restaurant a few minutes early and was sitting outside. When she saw me from afar she literally ran to me and threw her arms around me. That true affection just can't be replicated with a pro.
After an amazing dinner and drinks (fuck that girl can talk!) back at the room the sex was amazing. She'd been a cautious girl last time due to pregnancy concerns and we had suited up. But since I've had my vasectomy the gloves came off and fuck wow it was epic for both of us.
Absolutely adore hanging out with such a smart, sweet, and affectionate girl. Makes all the rest of the BS totally worth it.
NoBuglyFitches
06-21-25, 22:30
Seeking still rules. And for one simple reason. True GFE. I don't mean just kissing and BBBJ but a true girlfriend feeling like real affection and shared moments outside the bedroom. I had met Ariana on Seekibg back in January. And we had just the best vibe. Felt 100% real. Ime, this feeling can be bought directly. Many girls in East Asia do this naturally well even though they are pros. Sometimes I directly ask a girl to "play girlfriend. " Just explain what I want, eye contact, hand holding and so on. Ask her to act like she's completely in love with me. Feels 100% real, as you put it. It's a natural and easy performance to most women. Just need to be explicit that you want this because many mongers don't.
Expat American
06-22-25, 07:36
Somebody is bullshitting somebody here because there is ZERO chance of the Mexican authorities printing a new passport onsite and CERTAINLY no chance of them printing a passport for a country other than Mexico.Probably meant Visa. If there was an issue with a Colombian visa, Colombian immigration could print a new one. Probably lost in translation.
Steve 9696
06-22-25, 11:32
Ime, this feeling can be bought directly. Many girls in East Asia do this naturally well even though they are pros. Sometimes I directly ask a girl to "play girlfriend. " Just explain what I want, eye contact, hand holding and so on. Ask her to act like she's completely in love with me. Feels 100% real, as you put it. It's a natural and easy performance to most women. Just need to be explicit that you want this because many mongers don't.That is a good point and true enough if you want an hour or two of GFE. But gets untenably expensive for extended periods. My approach is that I have a Seeking date and PPM. Let's say $300. I don't specify time limit and the dates vary from 4 hrs to overnight depending on how much she wants to hang w me.
If I truly dig a girl I will fly her to me when on business or I will spend a "mini vacation" with her in her city. I never pay more than the PPM for 24 hrs. So I am getting GFE for for four days for $1200! That's isn't happening with a pro. No way.
But yeah if you just want a couple hours a pro can provide the illusion.
Ps I have learned to treat shopping as u would a girlfriend not part of cost per fuck. It’s so much more fun. Yes I spent another $200 or so on shopping but it was fun for both of us.
If I truly dig a girl I will fly her to me when on business or I will spend a "mini vacation" with her in her city. I never pay more than the PPM for 24 hrs. So I am getting GFE for for four days for $1200! That's isn't happening with a pro. No way.
But yeah if you just want a couple hours a pro can provide the illusion.
Ps I have learned to treat shopping as u would a girlfriend not part of cost per fuck. Its so much more fun. Yes I spent another $200 or so on shopping but it was fun for both of us.I went to Dallas for a weekend, used frequent flier miles, to meet a woman I met online. Talked about getting together for a couple weeks on the phone, I cancelled once and then came through. She picked me up at the airport and drove me around, I took her shopping at the mall twice and spent $300 at Victoria Secret and another store. Took her out for meals. Got a good fuck from her but that was it. Gave her 450 cash. Total damage about $750 and $300 for hotel.
Ok for a diversion but would not repeat with this woman. Bossy personality, sells videos of herself, and slightly large in the belly. You appreciate getting away after 2-3 days with a woman, almost like a nagging wife. I posted photos of her on the Medellin site when the discussion was about buying underwear at VC.
NoBuglyFitches
06-22-25, 19:21
So I am getting GFE for for four days for $1200! That's isn't happening with a pro. No way. Agreed -- for what you described, Seeking is great esp in the US. The downside is average looks. Very few girls on Seeking would be competitive at a top club like Scandallo.
The 1 in a 1000 that are hot tend to be escort-like in terms of attitude, except sex is worse. If one can meet them at all, it won't be cheap. Multiday trips and keeping in touch are unlikely because they have so many other options. And they are not interested in a regular relationship or marriage.
This is primarily my $. 02 for the new guys who might be learning about Seeking from this forum.
Steve 9696
06-23-25, 13:07
Some guys I know advise spending no more than 48 or max 72 hours with a girl. And I generally agree. You run out of small talk. Something gets on your nerves (or hers). But here I am four days in with Ariana. And one more to go and still adore her. So smart. So witty. Amazing meaningful sex with urgent hot tongue tangling and shared breaths. A real sweetheart find. The unicorn. Def going to be my Euro GF.
NeilGeorge
06-23-25, 14:42
1. Girls who are age 18-21. They are not experienced, you will waste a lot of time trying to go back and forth with them, all they will want to do is kiss and collect money, etc.
2. Women who ask or hint they want a $$ fee to meet you at a restaurant. Need to pay a babysitter or gas money. Some want the money by paypay, cashapp. They ask if you have these apps. They are seasoned pros and want to negotiate a price before you have even met them, based upon a few photos that are old. In reality they are fatties or prostitutes who know the routine and how to play you. They will say "I want to make sure we are on the same page before travelling to meet you" or "My time is valuable, I need to see if we are in the same expectation level" They are trying to get you to commit to them before even meeting. These are standard phrases. When you meet them their body will be much less in value and you have already been the sucker who committed to a price, which they will demand you honor.
3. Women from other cities. If you go there, you are in their ball park and at their mercy. Photos may be old or they will be aggressive about getting your money and pounce on your wallet because you are a one-time sucker. Extreme caution. You will likely waste your money. There are enough women within an hour of your city.
Elvis 2008
06-23-25, 14:52
Agreed -- for what you described, Seeking is great esp in the US. The downside is average looks. Very few girls on Seeking would be competitive at a top club like Scandallo.
The 1 in a 1000 that are hot tend to be escort-like in terms of attitude, except sex is worse.Yeah, that is why you keep the seeking women around that are better in bed. On average, I agree that seeking women are less skilled than escorts but when you get a good one, whoa!
Thing is the number of hot women on seeking explodes where there is economic distress. In 2009, I bagged a woman whose friends compared her to a super model. In Mexico City, I never scored better than an 7 or 8 on three previous trips and then the pandemic hit. In one trip once the pandemic started, I scored four 9-10 types in one trip.
And we are coming due for our next crisis. I am not going to go into too much detail here. China has been pushing the world's growth particularly 3rd world growth in the last 20 years, and their currency is pegged to the dollar and Euro for the most part. As long as China keeps the amount of its currency supply in line with what the EU and USA are doing then, their currency will be fine, but China is pulling the same stunt so many countries do and is printing at an unprecedented rate to pay for stuff. https://www.voronoiapp.com/money/-Chinas-Broad-Money-Reaches-the-US-Euro-Area-and-UK-Combined-1289.
Between 2000 and 2023, China's broad money supply expanded by a factor seven times greater than the combined increases observed in the United States, the Euro Area, and the United Kingdom. By the first quarter of 2024, China's total broad money supply equaled that of these economies. And so China has more money in its system than the USA and EU combined.
So it is simple supply and demand, if you print more money, your money will go down in value if you let your currency float, but China like I said has a fixed currency. Because the government sets its value and not the market, it is not going to float down but get crushed as no government not even one as big as China is immune to market forces. China will be forced to devalue its currency which means a ton of wealth in the world is going to blow up.
Thing about supply and demand is that people ignore it in the short run. I remember with oil. There was no new supply and demand was inelastic. With housing, American housing never went down, and now we will have all the excuses about why China can keep printing up money with no repercussions.
I am always early to these things and the China crash is not going to happen until we get away from people talking about the China miracle to how bad things are in China, and they are bad, really bad there right now.
When these economic calamites hit, it is monger heaven. Argentina was monger gold when their economy collapsed in 2002. Russia was gold the first ten years of this century. Most of the world was hit in 2008 and 2009 and it was monger paradise even in the USA if you had money. Ironically, Brazil was pretty good in 2008 and 2009. I was in Universal Studios in 2009 and there were no lines, and the few people there were mostly Brazilians. The real was 1. 6 to the dollar back then.
And then you had the pandemic. That was monger manna from heaven if you stayed in the game.
Brazil was probably the country that was the biggest beneficiary of the China boom. When China blows up, and supply and demand says that is inevitable, it is going to be monger paradise once again maybe better than even during the pandemic. And I would include other countries that have done well with the China boom which is most of South America, much of Africa, and Australia will be hit hard as well. And that is when you will see the 9-10 types back on the market.
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AmericanPi
06-24-25, 15:43
Ime, this feeling can be bought directly. Many girls in East Asia do this naturally well even though they are pros. Sometimes I directly ask a girl to "play girlfriend. " Just explain what I want, eye contact, hand holding and so on. Ask her to act like she's completely in love with me. Feels 100% real, as you put it. It's a natural and easy performance to most women. Just need to be explicit that you want this because many mongers don't.This is pretty sad dude. I know I can be dismissive to sugar girls at times and just see them as a means to an end (casual sex with no strings) but it feels honest. You don't feel awkward asking a girl to role play liking you?
NoBuglyFitches
06-25-25, 15:29
This is pretty sad dude. I know I can be dismissive to sugar girls at times and just see them as a means to an end (casual sex with no strings) but it feels honest. You don't feel awkward asking a girl to role play liking you?Why do you think it's sad or not honest, can you elaborate?
It's a service / role play like any other. From her POV it's emotional labor. All companionship work revolves around the same variables of time, money, looks, emotional labor, sexual labor. You just need to be clear what you want to buy.
Avoid women who start off with saying, "I know my worth". Generally speaking they absolutely don't know their worth but have "golden pussy syndrome" instead. To be avoided!
Avoid women who start off with saying, "I know my worth". Generally speaking they absolutely don't know their worth but have "golden pussy syndrome" instead. To be avoided!Amen to that. Some don't understand that the market sets the prices, not the vendor. I typically avoid girls that start with a recognition of value. That being said, I do like to get it out of the way early on in order not to waste time. I typically tell them what I'm used to and they then agree or counter. I don't like to negotiate because what I offer is usually solid with no ceiling. Something along the lines of of "at least x amount of euros, sometimes more, but never less", etc.
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NeilGeorge
06-26-25, 21:04
I typically avoid girls that start with a recognition of value. That being said, I do like to get it out of the way early on in order not to waste time. I typically tell them what I'm used to and they then agree or counter.Basically, you cowered to their demands to negotiate to their price level before meeting. Sad. I always say, based upon a few photos, all women start at $0 and if I meet them in person and like them, I value them more highly. This is the truth.
Would you buy a car or rent an apartment without looking at the vehicle, or the neighborhood of the apartment? No.
Sadly, the last 3 women I have met in person at a restaurant I turned down because they were 20+ pounds over the weight of their photos. True! When I meet I say, I thought you were more slim. Then they say they needed to lose 10-20+ pounds, and we can reset their value as an overweight cow. I do not want some old cow that has saggy tits and already gave birth to 3 kids, and has a fat belly. But these women want to lock you in to their price, get a commitment, and scold you if you do not honor their inflated price from 10 year old photos.
Elvis 2008
06-26-25, 23:10
Amen to that. Some don't understand that the market sets the prices, not the vendor. I typically avoid girls that start with a recognition of value. That being said, I do like to get it out of the way early on in order not to waste time. I typically tell them what I'm used to and they then agree or counter. I don't like to negotiate because what I offer is usually solid with no ceiling. Something along the lines of of "at least x amount of euros, sometimes more, but never less", etc..Well, let's define what the market is first. If she were that great, a guy would swoop her off her feet and take care of her. If she is a hooker and has repeat clients, then she does not need to say what she is worth, her clients know. Now that is the next question, how many women have you repeated with or gone back to a 2nd or 3rd time out of desire because she was awesome versus being cheap / available? For me, that number is really low. And how does a woman know if she is good in bed? Hell, they all think they are great because guys want to fuck them when some are terrible. So when a girl says she knows what she is worth, what she really means is the amount of money someone as great as her will take to fuck a loser like you. Instead of being insulted, the guy negotiates, "Okay, maybe a hundred more. "
One of the issues with seeing hookers is that it makes you think all women are out for a buck, and the hookers do all they can to trample on your self esteem because it is profitable for them. I get that seeking can be dry as a bone and guys are horny and may be stuck settling for that fat chick or overpaying but it should never be at the expense of a guy's ego. A woman who says she knows what she is worth is basically nothing more than a fuck doll.
I do not get why guys cannot see the difference between a gift for a woman you like versus paying a woman for a task. If you are having sex with a woman who likes you and is good in bed, you will only see hookers when they fill a need. The sex is so much better with the woman who desires to be with you.
If you pay a plumber $200, it is different than having a friend do plumbing work for you and you spend $200 buying him dinner or a gift, but guys here insist a wage and a gift for women are the same thing.
If you are not getting bites on seeking, consider changing where you are fishing. For me, Colombia was better than Mexico which was better than the USA. A lot of guys will settle for the pigs in their back yard versus the beauties abroad. I do not get moving to greener pastures if you can.
In Colombia, the neighborhoods are rated 1 to 6 by the government with the best neighborhoods being a six. An ISG on here said guys could not get a girl in above level 4 housing. That was news to me because I had banged several in the 5-6 range before he said that.
One guy said he saw this level 6 girl come to a park in a SUV looking all hot with her perfect manicured dogs. He thought she was a level 6 girl with a rich stunning 20 something husband. The apartment I stay at in Colombia is level 6 and yes, there are women who fit that mold. Thing is I have never seen some 20 something Adonis in the apartment complex. The better looking guys usually are in their 30's with kids in tow but the majority are middle aged men with dad bods. This guy was putting other guys on a pedestal that I do not know exist.
One of my American SBs was with an Adonis like guy. He was handsome, smart, rich, and apparently had this huge dick. Thing is he did not need to pay to get women. When he and my SB went to a club in his Lambo or Maserati, everyone stared, and she loved it. He is in jail now. She broke it off with him not when he went to jail but when she learned he was sleeping with half the state. It turns out he was getting all his money by ripping people off. The "cool guys" he hung out with were there because he brought their drugs. One apparently snitched him out, and the others had nothing to do with him once he went to jail. If the Adonis is not locked down, there is a pretty good chance he is a narcisstic psychopath like this guy.
It is hard for a woman to find a guy to support her. Like I said, how many women have you repeated with? How many have you just been with and not just for sex or beauty?
Rich Cooper has a YouTube channel and he is spot on when he says guys should only see women who have a genuine burning desire to be with them. Here are two videos worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTq0Q3GId_4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGxzl_KyBr8
After watching these videos, I was kicking myself. God, I was so stupid. I thought when a woman said I want to take it slow, I was being considerate versus her leading me on. I want to get comfortable with you is I want to see if I can find a man who disgusts me less than you. I have these rules about when I go to bed with a man means you need to spend a lot of money on dates with me before I bang you. Then there were the lack of responses, the no shows, the stupid excuses (I cannot make it my father died). LOL.
I think that is what got me about seeking. I treated the normal girls like hookers. If I had a girl not mention price and bang the shit out of me bare, I thought she must have been doing it with other guys versus she had GBD for me. Now I know the tells of a woman with GBD and if I were to venture out again, I would only see the fuck dolls to fill a need.
If you really buy the notion that there is no chance the hottie may like you for you over your money, then the hookers have beaten you!
Seeking is just full of prostitutes using a different marketing plan.If you are paying a girl to have sex with you after you have left your country of origin then you are International Trick and she is a prostitute. Any attempts to define it any differently means you are engaged in self-delusion. Real men don't do that. They look in the mirror and take responsibility for what they are doing and what they have done.
Every man when they are young should learn game and how to talk an attractive girls that he likes out of her panties. Pussy is Pussy!
For me the objective is to nut. Girl who likes me. Girl who I am paying. All the same thing. Only difference is how much I am paying for it. Remember to get a girl to like you requires time. Time for me is the most expensive thing that I own.
I have never ventured in sugar dating but I'm curious but the learning curve as we all know can push a man back by thousands and thousands of dollars and probably not have much to show for it either. So the experienced SDs any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
I rotate between Warsaw & Budapest, and my disposable sugar baby money would be maximum 1000 EU per month. Which seems decent after RTFF but I don't want to be a sucker who paid 300 Euros for her "great company over dinner" which I paid for so 500 Euros and going back home with my dick in hand sounds terrible but for a boy to swim he must risk drowning so I'm going to go forward with seeking arrangement (open to other platforms if the seniors here recommend). Also what is baller money in a city? This is more economic than sugar dating question I suppose basically a rule of thumb to know the economic reality of the city (I think it's 2 X the rent of a city center room which makes baller money in Warsaw around 2000 Euros for example).
P.S. - Read around 5 pages of this forum and made interesting notes and learned a lot.
Elvis 2008
06-27-25, 04:56
I have never ventured in sugar dating but I'm curious but the learning curve as we all know can push a man back by thousands and thousands of dollars and probably not have much to show for it either.Well, that is easily solved. You do not give her a penny until after you have had sex.
I don't want to be a sucker who paid 300 Euros for her "great company over dinner" which I paid for so 500 Euros.Again, I would not pay for dinner until I had sex. I usually knew within 5 minutes whether the girl was a hooker I wanted to bang, was SB material, or someone I was not interested in. So in the USA, I did coffee dates and would meet the girl at a later date. In other countries where time was short, I would meet for a drink and if we hit it off, we went to bed that day.
I met one girl for dinner who looked nothing like her pics and it was very awkward to have to wait for a meal, so dinner is a bad idea for a first meet.
I rotate between Warsaw & Budapest, and my disposable sugar baby money would be maximum 1000 EU per month.I looked at salaries in those places and escort fees. That is more than enough although it seemed like Poland was more than Hungary.
The reason seeking has more attractive women than other dating sites is because women are allowed to admit they are after money and guys are after sex, and that is the initial attractant: sex for men and money for women. However, that is just the sugar part of it. The daddy part is overlooked. Do you remember when you were in your 20's and how naive you were and how many stupid moves you made that you would never make today? Your goal is to make her life better by taking care of her needs. A lot of these women think they need all this money when what they really need is a plan and executing that plan.
Money is a minimum motivator. When you say that you will do something for X amount of Euros or dollars, what you are really saying is you do not want to do it for any reason outside of money. That is a hooker, and most of the women come into a meet thinking like a hooker. You are the one who is older with knowledge. You need to educate them on what a good SD and SB are supposed to be. They do not know what to expect. If after you try to explain what a good SB is supposed to be, and they are just interested in money and nothing else, it is your choice to pay or play, but that is not the desired end game.
With a hooker, it is the hour is up and if you want me to stay, it will be more. The blowjob is usually 3 to 5 minutes and it is on to sex. When you have a SB whose life you have made better, you will have to tell them to stop because they will not stop sucking. With the best SBs, they will initiate the sex and their primary motivation is not money but making you feel good because you have cared that they feel good. Hell, I had this nympho SB who literally wanted sex 6 X or more a day.
But before you get there, you have to project wealth. The best looking women have had so many men try to trap them in bullshit schemes. You have got to get beyond that first hurdle by dressing well and showing them that you are not a financial loser by projecting wealth.
So with the SB, get over that first hurdle and then focus on her needs not how much she is going to cost. If she really has desire for you, it will work out.
DwayneJohnson
06-27-25, 08:15
I rotate between Warsaw & Budapest, and my disposable sugar baby money would be maximum 1000 EU per month. Which seems decent after RTFF but I don't want to be a sucker who paid 300 Euros for her "great company over dinner" which I paid for so 500 Euros and going back home with my dick in hand sounds terrible but for a boy to swim he must risk drowning so I'm going to go forward with seeking arrangement (open to other platforms if the seniors here recommend). Also what is baller money in a city? This is more economic than sugar dating question I suppose basically a rule of thumb to know the economic reality of the city (I think it's 2 X the rent of a city center room which makes baller money in Warsaw around 2000 Euros for example).
P.S. - Read around 5 pages of this forum and made interesting notes and learned a lot.Europe rates are screwed due to freedom of movement within schengen region and not really dependent on economic reality of the city. If you are attractive and not too old then you can keep rate below 400 Euro per meeting for pretty girls almost anywhere in Europe. Girls tend to charge more if they do not feel attraction.
At DwayneJohnson- thanks good to know the rates 400 Euros is a lot in EE but definitely low in WE so that's a double edged sword I guess unfortunately I stick to EE for long term stays. So I guess 1000 Euros get me sex twice a month with some miscellaneous expenses (best case scenario?
At Elvis 2008- thanks for a very detailed guidelines / principles, inspired by them I have mapped out a MO feel free to correct and modify me.
1. I match with a girl and start talking.
2. I do some screening and vetting- do you have some tips in this department? Are there any red flags or tips you can give to filter girls faster? Like at Steve9696 said most problems can be solved at this stage and you can find a vfm gem. I was actually on Seeking (first and only time) couple of months back but was only able to be active for a week due to some sudden workload, some profiles were huge red flags, a girl actually had written in her bio please understand the difference between sugar dating and prostitution I don't have sex for money. Well ***** what you here for then XD. I like submissive girls that's why plain old p4 p is boring compared to normal sex and hookups that's why I think seeking and sugar will help me fill that void.
3. After vetting first date in a coffee shop / drinks. She going to be angling for money I'm going to be angling for chemistry hopefully the girl isn't hardened or a pro so I can see beneath what she wants me to see.
4. bounce to your location she going to ask for money (new to sugaring but not new to mongering. Even with some prostitutes I pay around half and pay the remaining half later).
5. long term- I see the way you talk you have probably had relationships with some of these girls that go deeper than sex which is great, I want that for me too but I can also compartmentalize and cut her off, are there times when a SB really likes you that she says you know what screw the money I just want to spend time with you.
Steve 9696
06-28-25, 08:13
At DwayneJohnson- thanks good to know the rates 400 Euros is a lot in EE but definitely low in WE so that's a double edged sword I guess unfortunately I stick to EE for long term stays. So I guess 1000 Euros get me sex twice a month with some miscellaneous expenses (best case scenario?.Elvis generally has good advice. And I love and agree with his POV about value urself. You are a catch for these girls if you have charm and money. Don't underestimate how attractive that is. The main area we disagree is on the coffee date. I've had a couple success that way but more often fails. Rather, I strongly advocate taking it to the room night 1. You have attraction and flow and girls want to be lead. Just lead them to the bedroom and it's on!
I recently update my guide to Seeking game and enclose it below. Note that it was originally written for USA and you can be more direct outside USA. But I still find that finding the true GF vibe requires this approach. My ultimate goal is to have an SB per region and one at home. I haven't always achieved that but right now I've got Europe, Mexico, Brazil, and at home, with a a true GFE feel with each. So I can say w confidence this approach works at least for me. Hope it works for you.
So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.
Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.
The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.
Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.
At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If tries to take you offline right away, she is probably a hooker. With the kind of girls I want, often I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text or WhatsApp. I usually do it after a day or two of chat but some guys pull the trigger sooner.
Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now it's time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time. I've done a few dates where we don't discuss it at all and I just pay her what I think fair; but this definitely runs a risk of disappointment, so I don't really do that anymore.
Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.
This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'd want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 400. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign, and adjust for geography).
As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'd say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 was reasonable for a pretty girl, but it's definitely gone up since then. As of 2024, I'd say getting a US-based girl for $500 is par for the course, if you are good at this game, but with gems found for less than that. Many girls asking 800-1000, but I never pay more than $500 worldwide, with US and Europe being most likely to hit that number. But the gems are out there I have a repeat girl in Brazil who is $100/ meet (yep!) and gem in the US that is $300/ meet. But most are higher in both geographies.
Once you have said "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.
Having done this a lot (more than 50 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead even if that lead is to the hotel room.
Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. I highly recommend you never discuss the amount of time because you want to treat her like a girlfriend, not a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!
The other great thing about Seeking as you advance in the game is that some girls are true girlfriend material not in the long term "I want to marry you" sense, but in the sense that you would spend a good chunk of time with them. These are the girls that I fly to be with me when I am on business. This is advanced Seeking game, but I highly recommend it. If you vibe really well with a girl (I crush pretty hard! Then they are sooooo down to fly to some fun city. Spending a few days with a girl playing true BFGF is just great fun. More than just the sex cuddling, shopping, sightseeing it's a full experience and "falling a little in love" without any strings attached is just the best. And of course you don't have to limit this to one girl. I tend to have at least one real crush-girl per continent and sometimes more.
Recently guys have been asking me about when I fly a girl to be with me in some other city and what I pay them. I have found that once you establish chemistry and you would like each other 24/7 they are fully satisfied with the PPM price covering a full day. Like when you first met, it was $400 for the date and maybe it was 3-5 hours. So then when you fly them somewhere nice, you can give them $400/ day and they are cool with that.
Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.
Ps never ever pay for a non-sex date. If after dinner she says she’s enjoyed her evening but wants to head home that’s her prerogative. But that’s zero dollars for her. Don’t ever violate this rule. She’s choosing to make zero. Tough choice!
And never ever pay her ahead of time. The right Seeking girl won’t even want to discuss money or explicitly receive it. I usually put it in an envelope in plain site but under the ice bucket or something. Some girls know this is the drill and some totally won’t even ask for money at end and u have to give them their gift or slip it in their purse. The best girls don’t wanna feel like a pro and it’s ur job to never make them feel that way.
NoBuglyFitches
06-28-25, 16:32
I like submissive girls that's why plain old p4 p is boring compared to normal sex and hookups that's why I think seeking and sugar will help me fill that void.
In comparison to p4 p, an important factor is her age and what Seeking calls "ethnicity. " Steve says he goes for mixed / black girls and what he called "jungle Asians. " This is easier in the West. But to some guys, it makes no sense to for example travel to Warsaw to find a Thai sugar baby when you can travel to Pattaya instead.
Elvis is in Colombia and Mexico. It's easier there too.
But if you want an attractive and young blonde / blue local Euro girl, Seeking gets much harder. Meanwhile, you can fairly easily find an escort with those looks for 500.
Some guys can also hook up with average looking girls on vanilla apps so they come to Seeking looking to date a 10 long-term for 400 euros. This will be difficult.
In comparison to p4 p, an important factor is her age and what Seeking calls "ethnicity. Steve says he goes for mixed / black girls and what he called "jungle Asians. This is easier in the West. Elvis is in Colombia and Mexico. It's easier there too. But if you want an attractive and young blonde / blue local Euro girl, Seeking gets much harder.That which I seek (Steve calls them "pasty") is much, much harder to find on Seeking, especially in the States. The first three months I used the site, I scored a grand slam, walk off home run! But after that mostly frustration and a waste of time and money.
Elvis 2008
06-28-25, 20:51
1. I match with a girl and start talking.I usually look through the women I am attracted to and send a generic message casting a wide net with a generic question like how is it going on the site or have any luck? And then for the women I was really attracted to, I would add more personalized notes and / or remarks.
Thing is I have looked at a hot woman's responses on seeking. She got hundreds and mostly were from losers trying to bang for her free. I could not believe how crude some of the responses were. She knew they were bullshit, but a more naive girl might let that number go to her head.
I kept the talk on the site brief and do all I could to move over to text if in the USA or Whatsapp everywhere else. That is where I would get talking about more of what are you looking for ETC. The women were pretty direct and it was kind of comical. Well, how much am I going to get? When you have a woman mostly focused on money, and that is it, I might go for a fling but the woman is a hooker. That is most of them and in the USA, it is discouraging, but I think you will have more luck in Poland or Hungary.
You are not really a person even when chatting to them on line. You are like some telemarketer fleebag voice in their ear, and many women will be very, very obnoxious. Do not let it get you down! They have been dealing with SO MANY loses! But hopefully, it goes well and then you finally go to a meet.
The reason I usually did not have sex on the first date in the USA was the comfort level of the women. That does not apply to you. The USA is the sex prison with its insane prostitution and trafficking laws, and Europe is much freer. As for dinner versus coffee, I do not know. Maybe that is me. For whatever reason, I put women at ease, and I do not need much time to close the deal if I am really interested in the woman. I have sorted into the hooker, SB, or not interested in category.
Even women on seeking are not great risk takers. They are meeting a stranger who could rape, beat them ETC. The number one thing to do when starting is to soothe their fears. Advertise in your profile why you are not like that. I am a professional ETC. The second fear they have is if their time is being wasted by the loser trying to bang her for free. That is why you dress well and show them you are a man of means. I stayed at a cheap hotel and a nicer one and the cheap one made the woman very uncomfortable and there were a lot more of the "how much" questions I had. Nobody asked that when I was at a nicer place and met them when dressed well.
Are there any red flags or tips you can give to filter girls faster?For what part? For getting a SB, that is just assessing if they are in it for money. As Steve says, they should have faith in you that you are going to take care of them. Even if you have never had a SB, act like you have. The smart SB is looking for the long term. In general, you will probably have better luck looking at the woman who are new to the site and has not had a SD. When you have a SB who has had a daddy, most of the time her greed and lack of effort probably turned him off. The women will give you this song and dance about how great it was, but usually the guy ends it for those reasons. That type of girl should be kept on a strict P4 P basis kind of a sugar escort, an acquiantance you bang as opposed to a GF like SB or completely impersonal hooker.
As for longer tem, look if she has successful longer term relationships with her friends, her work, her school ETC. The other huge thing is the relationship with their father. A lot of this disgust with I hate men is because they have a bad relationshp with their father. IMO a lot of this is because mom talks shit about dad, but if she does not like her dad, she probably is just looking for a reason to be disappointed. Ideally, she has had a great group of friends she has had for years and loves her father intensely.
I asked myself why the hell I spent so much time and money on women and what I wanted. Like Steve said, it was simple. I want to make a woman make me feel good. And there was a point that the pleasure of seeing a hooker after sex practically running out of the room when we were done was bugging me. It was okay in the begininning and I get that the women are ashamed of what they have done, but after a while, the pleasure of sex was often wiped out by that feeling. Or what was even worse was paying for lousy sex with a woman I did not even like.
3. After vetting first date in a coffee shop / drinks. She going to be angling for money I'm going to be angling for chemistry hopefully the girl isn't hardened or a pro so I can see beneath what she wants me to see.Well, usually she is motivated by money to meet you for sure but not always. The woman I am with was on the site because it worked out great for a friend of hers who is engaged to a guy she met on the site. Still, your job is to be so fun, so wise, and such good company that money should be a secondary issue. It has been said that the women on seeking who are less interested in money get the most, and in my experience, it is true. As for why, it comes back to the wage or helping a friend. If it is a wage, I am going to negotiate. With a friend, I am going to help them out. Yes, most of the women are going to be focused on money and only that. You want to focus on the minority of women who think, "Hey, this Gsi guy is pretty cool, I want to hang with him. " That is the hard part with seeking, weeding out all the hookers and women with unrealistic expectations.
I do not want this to sound like bragging, but my current woman has a daughter, and I have been taking a friend or two of hers along when we go on our trips. I am just doing that because I know that when I was a kid I wish I had a friend versus just hanging with the parents. So many of these Colombian girls have never been out of the country, but my reason was for the daughter to have fun and yes, I think it is more fun when she has her friends along too. But that is all I thought it was. My God was I wrong. The parents, the friends, even the teachers in her school know about me. They see how I deal with things, make decisions, have fun with my woman (some of these girls have never seen a couple not fight), and enjoy having a good time. I swear some have never seen a happy adult as well. My gal has said I have been this huge influence and I was like, with what? But then I thought about the circumstances of these women, and I got it.
Even less than with my SB when I want sex, these women know the only agenda I had with them was fun. I want nothing from them outside of their having a good time and care that they feel good. As such, if anyone of them said, hey, I am thinking being an English major, and I was serious and said, "No, do not that. ", and expalined why, they probably would not do it. Thing is these are smart girls at the top of the Colombian education system. If they were to come to the USA half would be in the top 0. 1% of all women here when they turn 18. That speaks volumes about how shitty the pool of American women is though, doesn't it?
What I am going to tell you is hard advice to take because you have to feel it more than know it but I feel / know that any woman who is just interested in me for my money then is pretty fucking stupid. Instead of worrying about what the woman feels like and getting laid, look at who she is. If you are a quality guy and all she wants is money, what does that say about her?
At NBF- thanks for the reality check. How about dating an 8 for 400 Euros, or sometimes even a young college 6 girl for a 100 euros how deep is the market because I get in the mood to taste different foods and sometimes I feel cheap LOL (I know tinder boost is cheaper but a date can still leave you with blue balls and I often wish you know what 100 Euros was better than this even if the quality is 6/7).
At Steve- impressive man I'm creating a document where I'm collecting all of this data to apply. I think a lot boils down to your vetting, I'm sure you have developed some internal systems that you use to separate wheat from the chaff effectively and speedily and I totally understand you wouldn't want to share that deep knowledge with a random guy on the forum who started posting a couple of days ago but if you're feeling generous about your vetting tactics to find the right girl a girl who will follow your lead, isn't a ball buster, who won't get bratty? BTW everyone? How do you deal with girls who get bratty with you on dates or during sex?
FuriousFire73
06-29-25, 01:55
Hi Gents -.
I went to Rio de Janeiro and Salvador earlier this year and had great success with getting chicas via MeuPatrocinio to show me around and stay with me for 4-5 days for around $500-700 reis (About $100-125 USD) a day.
I'd like to try the same thing in Bogota / Buenos Aires / Quito, but I'm unaware of what is considered a solid offer price for those locations. Can anyone give me a known range of acceptable prices for these places? Obviously it'll be via Seeking since its spanish speaking countries and not Brazil.
Thanks again.
Steve 9696
06-29-25, 08:18
Hi Gents -.
I went to Rio de Janeiro and Salvador earlier this year and had great success with getting chicas via MeuPatrocinio to show me around and stay with me for 4-5 days for around $500-700 reis (About $100-125 USD) a day.
I'd like to try the same thing in Bogota / Buenos Aires / Quito, but I'm unaware of what is considered a solid offer price for those locations. Can anyone give me a known range of acceptable prices for these places? Obviously it'll be via Seeking since its spanish speaking countries and not Brazil.
Thanks again.Other guys may have more recent advice. My experience in BA is a couple years old. I found it to be def in the expensive side but worth it. My dates were like $200-300 USD. But real stunners and lots of fun. Good luck!
Midwestern
06-29-25, 10:32
Haven't been on ISG in a while. I'm heading to LOS Angeles soon. SA any good there?
Expat American
06-29-25, 11:35
BTW everyone? How do you deal with girls who get bratty with you on dates or during sex?I firmly and politely put them in their place. I had a girl in Vietnam, hot as shit, not a SB but like to be taken to nice places. One night I was late meeting her because I had a shitty taxi driver who tried to rip me off etc. When I finally met her and we headed out she had an attitude. I told her look, I didn't come all the way here (from the US at that time) to deal with a girl in a bad mood. So she had a choice. Be nice and happy and we would have a fun night or I would leave now and go meet my other friends. Her choice. She quickly changed her tune and went out of her way to please me from that point on. This approach in general works for me with women everywhere, but especially in Asia. Another time I met a girl in China, also very hot, not a SB, who after a nice dinner came up to my room. She was acting coy and asked me "how badly do you want to have sex with me?" I said, actually I am tired so I can take it or leave it. Up to you. She turned in the most compliant submissive girl I have ever met in my life. Now these were girls I was not paying so if I was paying I would have even less patience with bratty attitude or drama.
Hey friends, I just saw this thread. I guess I should have written and asked for advise & guidance earlier. I am usually not into online stuff but found seeking extremely helpful in my last 2 trips. I do understand seeking returns may vary from city to city monger to monger. My queries below, please feel free to reply and argue, absolutely no sweat.
1. How does one identify and stay away from scammer profiles. I sometimes see same similar photos with 2 or more profiles.
2. What are the red flags in a profile.
3. I used seeking 3-4 months back, got matched with a great looking girl and also did VC with her a few times. She used filters so smartly that I couldn't make out. When we met she turned out to be a MILF with 2 kids, also a little more on the age and body. But that did not stop me from fucking her, I banged the hell out of her but the whole experience got jammed as I was travelling just for her from a nearby city. How does one eradicate this going forward.
4. How does a monger make his profile more attractive.
5. What kind of female profiles should one be careful of.
6. How do you limit the meeting to FWB and not bring money into the equation, I am sure not all girls on seeking are looking for financial benefits.
7. I don't do dinner dates as my trips are usually time bound so I like to shoot or perhaps go straight to the point.
8. How do you not overpay or know what is the right thing and max the favours.
I am sure this could be helpful to all of us here.
Steve 9696
06-29-25, 18:49
Haven't been on ISG in a while. I'm heading to LOS Angeles soon. SA any good there?Ah our founding father! Midwestern. So good to see you. LA is a tough slog due to price. Lots of GPS. Last I looked I was able to find a great GND black girl studying film there for $500. But finding 500 in LA is tough. And I refuse to pay more. I think since your taste runs to Asians (black? Latina?) maybe you can find a gem. But its def going to be work. Very inflated egos and prices there.
NoBuglyFitches
06-29-25, 19:08
Bogota / Buenos Aires / Quito, Can anyone give me a known range of acceptable prices for these places? 200-300 usd in BAires for me too. Average gnd looks.
NoBuglyFitches
06-29-25, 19:30
How about dating an 8 for 400 Euros, or sometimes even a young college 6 girl for a 100 euros how deep is the market because I get in the mood to taste different foods and sometimes I feel cheap LOL (I know tinder boost is cheaper Imo, if you can score on vanilla apps like tinder and you've got time because you're local, and your budget is $1 k a month, I wouldn't bother with seeking and sugar at all. I'd devote all my time to vanilla game, with escorts for backup.
Can't get a college 6 for 100 because to someone else she's an 8 and because some rich old tourist would usually outbid you with 500 plus dinner.
If you played seeking for like a year, then after all this time and membership money, you have a good chance to land an 8 for 400, but it won't repeat because again someone will quickly offer her more and / or sex is meh, so you don't even want to repeat.
A disproportionate number of the hot profiles on Seeking are fake. Obviously scammers, online-only, platonics, private club parties etc all use 18-22 blonde college girl photos to lure guys.
At Expat- polite and firm. Good going!
At NFB- I do score from tinder, but it's like once in a month or so my appetite is surely much larger also I get a bunch of dates that end up going no where so it's extra frustrating mostly 6's sometimes 7's. I don't mind spending some money to be an add on to vanilla dating but not it's replacement. Escorts don't really give their feminine side to you I'm just a client to them, it's very clinical not that I don't indulge in them from time to time.
P.S. - not a local, wish I was life would have been smoother.
Just returned from a week in LA. I had thought of going the escort route, but one is looking at $600-1000 if you don't want a drug addled crack working girl. As such, I elected to go the SA route, knowing it wasn't going to be cheaper, but I'd get an evening out of it instead of an hour. Saw 3 ladies.
1) SA #1 is an Iranian actress. Probably about 40 and has seen better days, but still looks ok. Wanted $800 for the evening. She didn't care about dinner, drinks etc, she just wanted to fuck. She warned me she was "naughty". That was an understatement. Probably the nastiest, most depraved woman I've ever been with. If I had let her, she would have taken a dump on my chest. I'm not vanilla by any stretch, but FFS, I have some limits. I don't regret seeing her, but I wouldn't go there again. In any event, this one was a win, albeit never again.
2) A Canadian student attending UCLA, 30 yrs old. A bigger girl than her photos would indicate. And TALL. She just moved to LA and I don't think she appreciates the going rate. She wanted $400. Took her for a casual dinner and then back to my room. I have to give the girl credit, she's an artist with a cock in her mouth. Unfortunately she is a horrible lay. One of those that try to stop you achieving any depth. Nice enough girl, but really a waste of time. This one was a loss.
3) 47 yr old brunette, exceedingly well preserved and good looking. She wanted $700 (plus uber) and would appreciate dinner. Or drinks. As I had already had my fill of "fine dining" that week with business, I told her just something casual. She was fine with that. We had a great chat over dinner. She's divorced and I suspect really does want male company and making $$ on the side helps as well. She ended up staying the night. Great sex, not wild, but very girlfriend like. Definite win and would repeat.
Stirling.
VanessasClient
06-30-25, 02:46
You won't always know which profiles are scammers. Positive signs are profiles that have been registered for more than a year, those with multiple verification badges, and those with descriptions which logically share specific things about them, as well as what they are and are not looking for.
The profiles I tend to skip over are those that list she is looking for a very narrow age range. Let's say the profile says she is looking for men aged 30 to 45. That to me is a signal that what she's really looking for is a hunk. Not only a guy who is rich, but also one who is the proverbial tall, dark, and handsome. Translation: trim, heavily muscular, and whatever other attributes these women are looking for. So if you have a mole or birthmark on your face, that might disqualify you even if you are in their age bracket. If you can pick up girls with looks alone, then you don't need to bring money to the table.
You really have to pay attention to communication to find out who is either a scammer, or less than ideal. Look for things like impatience and flakiness.
What I always do is make sure to tell her prior to meeting that I've had bad experiences in the past. I will say something like "I've had girls show up who were not the same girl as in the picture, or using photos that were 5 years out of date, so I had to cancel the date without any financial compensation. I'm glad to know I'll be meeting someone who is actually using accurate pictures. " If they think they won't get paid due to using misleading photos, they might just cancel the appointment, as they are investing their time, and expect something in return.
To make your profile stand out more, get as many verification badges as possible, and upload as many pictures as you are comfortable with, even if most of them are private. Fill out the descriptions and use the tags.
Hey friends, I just saw this thread. I guess I should have written and asked for advise & guidance earlier. I am usually not into online stuff but found seeking extremely helpful in my last 2 trips. I do understand seeking returns may vary from city to city monger to monger. My queries below, please feel free to reply and argue, absolutely no sweat.
1. How does one identify and stay away from scammer profiles. I sometimes see same similar photos with 2 or more profiles.
2. What are the red flags in a profile.
3. I used seeking 3-4 months back, got matched with a great looking girl and also did VC with her a few times. She used filters so smartly that I couldn't make out. When we met she turned out to be a MILF with 2 kids, also a little more on the age and body. But that did not stop me from fucking her, I banged the hell out of her but the whole experience got jammed as I was travelling just for her from a nearby city. How does one eradicate this going forward.
4. How does a monger make his profile more attractive.
5. What kind of female profiles should one be careful of.
6. How do you limit the meeting to FWB and not bring money into the equation, I am sure not all girls on seeking are looking for financial benefits.
7. I don't do dinner dates as my trips are usually time bound so I like to shoot or perhaps go straight to the point.
8. How do you not overpay or know what is the right thing and max the favours.
I am sure this could be helpful to all of us here.
NeilGeorge
06-30-25, 02:55
1)40 and has seen better days. Wanted $800 for the evening. ...the nastiest, most depraved woman I've ever been with. If I had let her, she would have taken a dump on my chest. I'm not vanilla by any stretch, but FFS, I have some limits. I don't regret seeing her, but I wouldn't go there again. ... albeit never again.
2) A bigger girl than her photos would indicate. And TALL. She just moved to LA and I don't think she appreciates the going rate. She wanted $400. Took her for a casual dinner and then back to my room. ... she is a horrible lay. ... really a waste of time. This one was a loss.
3) 47 yr old brunette,... wanted $700 (plus uber)
1 of 3 being okay is about right.
More fake pictures. More fake profiles. I used AI to generate my profile text. 5 years in the future, we'll be looking back at the golden age where *only* filters were used. Right now I've already adapted my dating site interactions to use an AI assistant. Good luck fellas!
I usually look through the women I am attracted to and send a generic message casting a wide net with a generic question like how is it going on the site or have any luck? And then for the women I was really attracted to, I would add more personalized notes and / or remarks.
Thing is I have looked at a hot woman's responses on seeking. She got hundreds and mostly were from losers trying to bang for her free. I could not believe how crude some of the responses were. She knew they were bullshit, but a more naive girl might let that number go to her head.
I kept the talk on the site brief and do all I could to move over to text if in the USA or Whatsapp everywhere else. That is where I would get talking about more of what are you looking for ETC. The women were pretty direct and it was kind of comical. Well, how much am I going to get? When you have a woman mostly focused on money, and that is it, I might go for a fling but the woman is a hooker. That is most of them and in the USA, it is discouraging, but I think you will have more luck in Poland or Hungary.
You are not really a person even when chatting to them on line. You are like some telemarketer fleebag voice in their ear, and many women will be very, very obnoxious. Do not let it get you down! They have been dealing with SO MANY loses! But hopefully, it goes well and then you finally go to a meet.
The reason I usually did not have sex on the first date in the USA was the comfort level of the women. That does not apply to you. The USA is the sex prison with its insane prostitution and trafficking laws, and Europe is much freer. As for dinner versus coffee, I do not know. Maybe that is me. For whatever reason, I put women at ease, and I do not need much time to close the deal if I am really interested in the woman. I have sorted into the hooker, SB, or not interested in category.
Even women on seeking are not great risk takers. They are meeting a stranger who could rape, beat them ETC. The number one thing to do when starting is to soothe their fears. Advertise in your profile why you are not like that. I am a professional ETC. The second fear they have is if their time is being wasted by the loser trying to bang her for free. That is why you dress well and show them you are a man of means. I stayed at a cheap hotel and a nicer one and the cheap one made the woman very uncomfortable and there were a lot more of the "how much" questions I had. Nobody asked that when I was at a nicer place and met them when dressed well.
For what part? For getting a SB, that is just assessing if they are in it for money. As Steve says, they should have faith in you that you are going to take care of them. Even if you have never had a SB, act like you have. The smart SB is looking for the long term. In general, you will probably have better luck looking at the woman who are new to the site and has not had a SD. When you have a SB who has had a daddy, most of the time her greed and lack of effort probably turned him off. The women will give you this song and dance about how great it was, but usually the guy ends it for those reasons. That type of girl should be kept on a strict P4 P basis kind of a sugar escort, an acquiantance you bang as opposed to a GF like SB or completely impersonal hooker.
As for longer tem, look if she has successful longer term relationships with her friends, her work, her school ETC. The other huge thing is the relationship with their father. A lot of this disgust with I hate men is because they have a bad relationshp with their father. IMO a lot of this is because mom talks shit about dad, but if she does not like her dad, she probably is just looking for a reason to be disappointed. Ideally, she has had a great group of friends she has had for years and loves her father intensely.
I asked myself why the hell I spent so much time and money on women and what I wanted. Like Steve said, it was simple. I want to make a woman make me feel good. And there was a point that the pleasure of seeing a hooker after sex practically running out of the room when we were done was bugging me. It was okay in the begininning and I get that the women are ashamed of what they have done, but after a while, the pleasure of sex was often wiped out by that feeling. Or what was even worse was paying for lousy sex with a woman I did not even like.
Well, usually she is motivated by money to meet you for sure but not always. The woman I am with was on the site because it worked out great for a friend of hers who is engaged to a guy she met on the site. Still, your job is to be so fun, so wise, and such good company that money should be a secondary issue. It has been said that the women on seeking who are less interested in money get the most, and in my experience, it is true. As for why, it comes back to the wage or helping a friend. If it is a wage, I am going to negotiate. With a friend, I am going to help them out. Yes, most of the women are going to be focused on money and only that. You want to focus on the minority of women who think, "Hey, this Gsi guy is pretty cool, I want to hang with him. " That is the hard part with seeking, weeding out all the hookers and women with unrealistic expectations.
I do not want this to sound like bragging, but my current woman has a daughter, and I have been taking a friend or two of hers along when we go on our trips. I am just doing that because I know that when I was a kid I wish I had a friend versus just hanging with the parents. So many of these Colombian girls have never been out of the country, but my reason was for the daughter to have fun and yes, I think it is more fun when she has her friends along too. But that is all I thought it was. My God was I wrong. The parents, the friends, even the teachers in her school know about me. They see how I deal with things, make decisions, have fun with my woman (some of these girls have never seen a couple not fight), and enjoy having a good time. I swear some have never seen a happy adult as well. My gal has said I have been this huge influence and I was like, with what? But then I thought about the circumstances of these women, and I got it.
Even less than with my SB when I want sex, these women know the only agenda I had with them was fun. I want nothing from them outside of their having a good time and care that they feel good. As such, if anyone of them said, hey, I am thinking being an English major, and I was serious and said, "No, do not that. ", and expalined why, they probably would not do it. Thing is these are smart girls at the top of the Colombian education system. If they were to come to the USA half would be in the top 0. 1% of all women here when they turn 18. That speaks volumes about how shitty the pool of American women is though, doesn't it?
What I am going to tell you is hard advice to take because you have to feel it more than know it but I feel / know that any woman who is just interested in me for my money then is pretty fucking stupid. Instead of worrying about what the woman feels like and getting laid, look at who she is. If you are a quality guy and all she wants is money, what does that say about her?Can't believe I missed this such great advice, I dunno if I have that kind of vibe though, I'm a naturally fun and charismatic guy who gets unpaid sex more than the average joe but have trouble retaining girls. That does make me wonder maybe what I have to offer is not enough for girls to stay but enough to for a one time fling, maybe it boils down to relatability, I'm a foreigner in European lands and girls don't think of me as long term material.
CrimsonPanda
07-01-25, 04:31
Steve / Elvis. Much appreciated on all the knowledge that was provided.
How do you guys approach the "what are you looking for" question that comes up? Using Steve's lovely approach of finding a long term SB as a reference would we answer that question based of what we were looking for on a date? IE see if we vibe and if we do expect some sort of gift.
Would love to hear you guys input.
Thanks Vanessas, I usually read their profile and try to make out if they are greedy (looking for dinner dates only) or want a ST LT relationship with a daddy. When I post a message I tell them clearly in vanilla words VC is a must so guess that filters a few fakers. And I tell them what I really want in room. I feel if she is looking for 30-45 category its good because she is ready for an active evening she wants to go to happening places or probably bars. As far as verification and legitimacy are concerned, well noted.
Let me know what else comes into your mind.
You won't always know which profiles are scammers. Positive signs are profiles that have been registered for more than a year, those with multiple verification badges, and those with descriptions which logically share specific things about them, as well as what they are and are not looking for.
The profiles I tend to skip over are those that list she is looking for a very narrow age range. Let's say the profile says she is looking for men aged 30 to 45. That to me is a signal that what she's really looking for is a hunk. Not only a guy who is rich, but also one who is the proverbial tall, dark, and handsome. Translation: trim, heavily muscular, and whatever other attributes these women are looking for. So if you have a mole or birthmark on your face, that might disqualify you even if you are in their age bracket. If you can pick up girls with looks alone, then you don't need to bring money to the table.
You really have to pay attention to communication to find out who is either a scammer, or less than ideal. Look for things like impatience and flakiness.
What I always do is make sure to tell her prior to meeting that I've had bad experiences in the past. I will say something like "I've had girls show up who were not the same girl as in the picture, or using photos that were 5 years out of date, so I had to cancel the date without any financial compensation. I'm glad to know I'll be meeting someone who is actually using accurate pictures. " If they think they won't get paid due to using misleading photos, they might just cancel the appointment, as they are investing their time, and expect something in return.
To make your profile stand out more, get as many verification badges as possible, and upload as many pictures as you are comfortable with, even if most of them are private. Fill out the descriptions and use the tags.
VanessasClient
07-01-25, 16:38
Apparently Seeking has "grandfathered" in any women registered before 2025, is not subject to the new selfie verification. Also, it seems like they are disabling more and more female accounts based "suspicious activity", particularly new accounts.
I've always wondered what would happen if a woman reports you are looking for "compensated companionship" off the platform, and sends in fabricated images, just because she's pissed about something. I wonder if Seeking would take action based on communication off the platform, or whether they would just reply "We have no control over user actions that occur off the website".
Just got back from a week abroad. Met 4 girls. Every one I ask about their family. Because I want to get to the part about dad, and when it comes I think "OK there it is."
One dad has a new wife 2 years older than her and lives abroad.
One dad lives in another city and is pretty absent. But as she says he's still my dad so I still love him.
One also has a dad in another city. Parents divorced and mom took the kids and moved away.
It's sad that it makes me horny because I see this beautiful weak gazelle. I know she'll be banging me in 90 minutes and part of it is unresolved daddy issues.
Dads, again, don't abandon your daughters. Assholes like me are just around the corner.Yeah, I don't know if it's just fathers leaving, but I'd have to say almost 100% of the ladies I've met on sugar sites have come from broken homes, or they've moved out at a young age.
Also, there's a high number of single moms on these sites too.
So maybe it's poverty (often correlated to broken homes) that leads to sugar babies?
DwayneJohnson
07-02-25, 02:24
I've always wondered what would happen if a woman reports you are looking for "compensated companionship" off the platform, and sends in fabricated images, just because she's pissed about something. I wonder if Seeking would take action based on communication off the platformI have been reported by few ladies who misunderstood seeking to be a normal dating platform and I was too blunt with pay for play. However, I was a paying member so nothing happened except just slap on wrist kind of a warning by seeking. I don't think they will give a crap about offline stuff. Tinder bans you for any mention of sex for money but you can always open a new account with different phone and email. They are not leftwing enough to screw their own revenue stream.
About 10 years ago I was very active with seeking in the US. Back then it was kinda new in my area so I had plenty of action. Then more dudes found out it along with girls and the prices started going up, the girls were a pain the ass to deal with, and it was not worth it anymore.
Last year got on seeking to check out foreign countries: Thailand and Colombia. I was not sure what I would find and I was doing a 1 month subscription. Here is what I found.
Colombia:
Older women who used to work the bars, streets, etc found seeking. Called themselves more classy and charged double and triple. I'm used to Colombia and I picked one girl. 28 years old, ok body, single mom. Great head. Over priced older women and actually she was closer to normal prices. Some women were asking double and triple, were fat and ugly.
Thailand:
Many white girls from Russian and Europe, chatted with a girl from Argentina, other places. Thai girls also. All older. The white girls wanted $200-$500 and those girls were the jobless ones who wanted to live in a foreign country and need a sugar daddy to support them. Pictures always lie and the same cute photo from their early 20's is still on when they are 30 or 35. I passed on seeking in Thailand.
Conclusion:
Who is Seeking for: Guys who are on a very short time and don't care of the $$.
In Colombia I have connections and in thailand, the best girls are the Freelancers standing on the streets. I can check them out, talk with them, and see if they can meet my perverted needs.
Hello punters, I am getting a 30 day premium membership at $109.99 against a discounted price of $85 or 89 the last time, I don't remember but certainly it was less in the eighties. How do I get a discount on my purchase or a promo code, is there a way or can someone share here or PM me, thanks a ton, SL.
Steve 9696
07-02-25, 18:44
Hello punters, I am getting a 30 day premium membership at $109.99 against a discounted price of $85 or 89 the last time, I don't remember but certainly it was less in the eighties. How do I get a discount on my purchase or a promo code, is there a way or can someone share here or PM me, thanks a ton, SL.I know people all have different budgets. But I truly don't understand trying to save $20 a month on the platform that enables you to find a girl your going to spend $500+ a night on (including dinner and drinks and room and her). Is that $20 really worth it? I think of $109/ mo on Seeking as one of the best investments I can possibly make.
Expat American
07-03-25, 10:39
I know people all have different budgets. But I truly don't understand trying to save $20 a month on the platform that enables you to find a girl your going to spend $500+ a night on (including dinner and drinks and room and her). Is that $20 really worth it? I think of $109/ mo on Seeking as one of the best investments I can possibly make.The whole world is not the US / EU. There are other places in the world where you can get seeking girls for under $100 or even free. I understand wanting to wait for the deal because why pay more than you need for it? To SL, just wait and the deal will show up again in a few days. It always does for me.
Elvis 2008
07-04-25, 00:41
Steve / Elvis. Much appreciated on all the knowledge that was provided.
How do you guys approach the "what are you looking for" question that comes up? Using Steve's lovely approach of finding a long term SB as a reference would we answer that question based of what we were looking for on a date? IE see if we vibe and if we do expect some sort of gift.
Would love to hear you guys input.Sadly, the women asking that question are usually out looking for a quick buck and have worn out their welcome with other SDs with their greed. I would answer it as I want someone who is fun both in and out of the bedroom, but it is usually not a good sign. The woman should be interested in you and not a generic SD who is going to be sending her money. Ideally, money should be a fringe benefit not a primary one and for you she should be just as much fun out of the bedroom as in it.
These women who are so out for money are shocked when they get treated like the hookers that they are.
Thanks steve, I understand what you thinking and truly agree with you. Coming to my defence, firstly I am not looking for drinks dinner dates with my seeking chick (only fuck and bye), secondly its nowhere near $500 a night. I get what I want in 150-200 category in terms of looks body and service. Thirdly, I work and live on a budget, have spending streams in all spheres of life. Be it $100 website subscription or spending $1500 on flying business class tickets. Helps me plan my funds and stay under the radar. Doing it for years now.
I know people all have different budgets. But I truly don't understand trying to save $20 a month on the platform that enables you to find a girl your going to spend $500+ a night on (including dinner and drinks and room and her). Is that $20 really worth it? I think of $109/ mo on Seeking as one of the best investments I can possibly make.
Steve 9696
07-04-25, 11:04
Sadly, the women asking that question are usually out looking for a quick buck and have worn out their welcome with other SDs with their greed. I would answer it as I want someone who is fun both in and out of the bedroom, but it is usually not a good sign. The woman should be interested in you and not a generic SD who is going to be sending her money. Ideally, money should be a fringe benefit not a primary one and for you she should be just as much fun out of the bedroom as in it.
These women who are so out for money are shocked when they get treated like the hookers that they are.I guess I hadn't correlated this question to hookers as Elvis says but it's damn fucking lazy. I always want to respond with "well why don't you read my fucking profile where I have spelled this out exactly!" But I don't. I usually just say "Well we'the start with a nice dinner and drinks. Lots of laughter and take things private if we vibe well. Repeat when I'm in town next. How's that sound?" (Remember always end w a question.)
Midwestern
07-06-25, 17:01
Ah our founding father! Midwestern. So good to see you. LA is a tough slog due to price. Lots of GPS. Last I looked I was able to find a great GND black girl studying film there for $500. But finding 500 in LA is tough. And I refuse to pay more. I think since your taste runs to Asians (black? Latina?) maybe you can find a gem. But its def going to be work. Very inflated egos and prices there.I did some research and seems that LA is escort heaven, with many offering BBFS probably due to the stiff competition. Not sure if I'll partake.
Steve 9696
07-06-25, 17:23
I did some research and seems that LA is escort heaven, with many offering BBFS probably due to the stiff competition. Not sure if I'll partake.You mean real pros not Seeking? Because the Seeking prices in LA suck. I'm amazed if you are saying escorts are reasonable? I know there is a great K-girl scene there but you have to break into it. Plus it always gave me trafficked vibes. What intel do you have?
Feel free to PM if you prefer.
Midwestern
07-08-25, 23:28
You mean real pros not Seeking? Because the Seeking prices in LA suck. I'm amazed if you are saying escorts are reasonable? I know there is a great K-girl scene there but you have to break into it. Plus it always gave me trafficked vibes. What intel do you have?
Feel free to PM if you prefer.I only looked at USA Guide. And you're right that it's the K-girl scene. And I also forgot that I need either a referral or need to sign up using my real personal information. I guess I'll take a pass. I'm getting lazy, LOL. BTW, I tried to PM you, but it didn't get sent for some reason, even though my mailbox is almost empty.
Steve 9696
07-09-25, 00:37
I only looked at USA Guide. And you're right that it's the K-girl scene. And I also forgot that I need either a referral or need to sign up using my real personal information. I guess I'll take a pass. I'm getting lazy, LOL. BTW, I tried to PM you, but it didn't get sent for some reason, even though my mailbox is almost empty.Cleared my inbox. But yes makes sense it's KGirls. Prob an amazing scene if willing to take the plunge. I never did.
VanessasClient
07-12-25, 06:28
Hello punters, I am getting a 30 day premium membership at $109.99 against a discounted price of $85 or 89 the last time, I don't remember but certainly it was less in the eighties. How do I get a discount on my purchase or a promo code, is there a way or can someone share here or PM me, thanks a ton, SL.You just have to log out, then log back in again, continually, until the promo screen pops up.
VanessasClient
07-12-25, 06:39
I guess I hadn't correlated this question to hookers as Elvis says but it's damn fucking lazy. I always want to respond with "well why don't you read my fucking profile where I have spelled this out exactly!" But I don't. I usually just say "Well we'the start with a nice dinner and drinks. Lots of laughter and take things private if we vibe well. Repeat when I'm in town next. How's that sound?" (Remember always end w a question.)I hate it when Seeking members ask this question; for multiple reasons. First of all, it's a major liability. Secondly, it's an very open ended question with what should be a relatively obvious answer, given the overt implications of Seeking as a website. Seeking has a reputation; women registering on the site should already know what it's for prior to completing their profile. If they aren't comfortable offering up the honey, there are always alternatives like eHarmony. So when someone asks me this question, then it's already -1. Somehow I managed to have a good experience with a Brazilian girl who asked me this question. My response to that question when she asked was something to change the subject and not reply at all. The conversation was going back and forth about multiple topics, so I just chose to send a message about something else, and avoid saying anything specific about what I was looking for. Luckily for me, she did not press the issue, and seemed to have forgotten about it.
However, I will say that seeing that question is generally a mood killer, even if you can manage to get past it.
VanessasClient
07-13-25, 05:30
Looks like the price change has gone into effect. As I recall it used to be $109. I'm now getting an offer for $130.
One of my girls mentioned to me about SugarBook, does anyone know about it and is it any useful. Its like seeking but more focused on SB / SD.
Any leads on this, please. Terima kasih.
AmericanPi
07-21-25, 16:12
Sadly, the women asking that question are usually out looking for a quick buck and have worn out their welcome with other SDs with their greed. I would answer it as I want someone who is fun both in and out of the bedroom, but it is usually not a good sign. The woman should be interested in you and not a generic SD who is going to be sending her money. Ideally, money should be a fringe benefit not a primary one and for you she should be just as much fun out of the bedroom as in it..This is not addressed to me, but I'm drinking my morning coffee and I'm bored so you get the benefit of my pearls of wisdom and years of experience. You're welcome.
There's nothing wrong with a girl asking what you're looking for. The hot young girls get dozens of messages a day. I will tell you the path they walk down. Here goes.
First, they sign up. They respond to most messages. They are polite. They engage. It takes up too much time. The inbox is really filling up.
Next, they start to realize not all SD's are the same. That one guy they exchanged 20 messages with turned out to be offering mentorship rather than money. That other one is looking for a girlfriend, not a sugar baby. That next one is hoping his charming texts will get him a sugar baby at 250 bucks a pop. The next one turns out to have odd degrading fetishes. The next one appears to want a pen pal with his ongoing back and forths and no actual offer materializing.
Finally, girls start asking what you're looking for up front. It's a way of basically saying let's cut the amount of time we spend on back and forth and figure out first if we're even on the same page.
Frankly I don't begrudge girls this question. I'd do the same.
VanessasClient
07-22-25, 00:23
This is not addressed to me, but I'm drinking my morning coffee and I'm bored so you get the benefit of my pearls of wisdom and years of experience. You're welcome.
There's nothing wrong with a girl asking what you're looking for. The hot young girls get dozens of messages a day. I will tell you the path they walk down. Here goes.
First, they sign up. They respond to most messages. They are polite. They engage. It takes up too much time. The inbox is really filling up.
Next, they start to realize not all SD's are the same. That one guy they exchanged 20 messages with turned out to be offering mentorship rather than money. That other one is looking for a girlfriend, not a sugar baby. That next one is hoping his charming texts will get him a sugar baby at 250 bucks a pop. The next one turns out to have odd degrading fetishes. The next one appears to want a pen pal with his ongoing back and forths and no actual offer materializing.
Finally, girls start asking what you're looking for up front. It's a way of basically saying let's cut the amount of time we spend on back and forth and figure out first if we're even on the same page.
Frankly I don't begrudge girls this question. I'd do the same.There's just one problem with that. When a woman is not openly advertising that she's selling sex, then she's far more likely to take great offense to be propositioned, no matter how indirectly this is presented. But especially, if for some reason, she does not like your offer, no matter how "reasonable" it may be. And those are exactly the same women that tend to fly into a furious rage, and report male members to Seeking. Of course, many a folk still vouch the argument there's a distinct difference between a sugar baby and a prostitute. A white collar worker and a blue collar worker are both still employees. I'll never be convinced of the lipstick on a pig lie, but many women, men, and worse yet, staff at Seeking, apparently will.
I guess I wouldn't be bothered so much by this question if it were asked much later on in the engagement. Most certainly not within the first few sentences of communicating with someone.
Elvis 2008
07-22-25, 05:15
This is not addressed to me, but I'm drinking my morning coffee and I'm bored so you get the benefit of my pearls of wisdom and years of experience. You're welcome.
There's nothing wrong with a girl asking what you're looking for. The hot young girls get dozens of messages a day. I will tell you the path they walk down. Here goes.
First, they sign up. They respond to most messages. They are polite. They engage. It takes up too much time. The inbox is really filling up.
Next, they start to realize not all SD's are the same. That one guy they exchanged 20 messages with turned out to be offering mentorship rather than money. That other one is looking for a girlfriend, not a sugar baby. That next one is hoping his charming texts will get him a sugar baby at 250 bucks a pop. The next one turns out to have odd degrading fetishes. The next one appears to want a pen pal with his ongoing back and forths and no actual offer materializing.AP, the ultimate test for a SB is meeting friends and family because with them, they cannot use their puzzy to please them. In addition, friends and family are going to come in with the pre-conceived notion of the SB / GF as worthless gold digging hooker, and the SB / GF is going to have to change their mind. What my gal has done is treat family and friends as she treats me. She greets them warmly when they arrive at the airport and makes them feel special. She will smile brightly and say she is so happy to see you. When in our place, she will cook for you, keep our place spotless, wash your clothes, pack your suitcase, and ask you if you need something to drink every hour or two. When you leave, there will be a note telling you how thankful she is that you took the trouble to come visit and that she is so looking forward to your next stay. To a person, friends and family have left gushing about her.
My gal has never asked me what I wanted. She knew her job was to make me feel good and she knew what to do.
Thing is one day my gal was not there to care for our guests. She assigned the job to her daughter, and the daughter stepped in with the cooking and cleaning and was as good of a host as her mother. Her daughter has learned from her mother how to treat a man / guests.
With regards to the woman responding to all the men, I saw with one gal the nearly 100 responses she had gotten. I picked out four that were legit and she told me, "Yeah, those are the four I responded to. " When a SB prospect and I went to a strip club, she asked, "which guys in here do you think have the most money?" and we picked out the same two.
So of your female prospects, AP, maybe your prospects are not that great at picking out the male contenders from pretenders, but what excuse do the women have for not having a friend like me or one of those two women who can separate them? That is not good.
Worse, you have women like this crazy Tomi Lahren who goes on national TV and says men love paying for women and risking their lives for them. At the 9:15 mark of this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joTCXKSR81o, Andrew Wilson goes off on her and asks her, "And what do the men get for risking their lives and spending their money?" and there is absolute crickets. Eventually, the others gang up on him, but no one answers the question.
Can you imagine having a selfish SB like Tomi Lahren? And she is the one advising other women! Yes, men love giving you money for doing nothing. So you have on one extreme, women listening to her and then on the other, you have a woman who will soon be in the marketplace like my gal's daughter. That is one hell of a big gap.
The only scenario in which the woman asking the question, "And what are you looking for?" may be okay is if the woman is incredibly naïve. I had a naïve one like this one time, and she thought being a SB was like being on a date. Thing is I gave her a chance because I knew she was tough and worked hard. She was an engineering student working three jobs paying her tuition and supporting her family, so I thought she might be worth my time. When it came to fucking me bare or giving me head, she did this, "Oh, that is gross. I do not do that. " Normally, I would have blown her off.
Instead I told her that while she may think it was gross that other women were more than willing to do what I asked to make me feel good. I told her that I am paying her to make me feel good and that her job was to please me.
It sunk in. The next time I saw me she fucked the shit out of me and repeated the line, "I want to please you" over and over. Still, she did not give me head. I think she would have at some point and been good at it eventually but by this point I had my gal who was fucking the shit out of me, giving great head, and was way hotter and nicer to boot.
So maybe if you like training the naïve ones, and they are looking to please you there may be a chance. Maybe they will respond to your teaching and wisdom with profound loyalty, but I would much rather be with a woman who has had a great role model on how to treat a man. It should be a mother's job to tell her daughter what men want and need not ours.
Steve 9696
07-24-25, 00:51
After saying LA is a GPS thirst trap I am of course going there. LOL. Midwestern (or anyone) have any luck? Open to all suggestions.
VanessasClient
07-27-25, 20:13
I've observed a significant amount of discussion about some of the changes that have happened at Seeking over the past several years. Not only on ISG, but in other places, as well as discussions that men have had with me privately. And it seems that not everyone is happy with the way that the site appears to be evolving. I've also heard talk of competitors like Sugar Daddy Meet.
But, based on historical data, if Seeking grievously goes down the drain, it's probably going to take a VERY long time before another site becomes dominant, and fully takes them over. Unless of course, the site just closes all together.
When I say historical data, this is what I'm referring to: When a brand establishes a major name for itself in the public eye, it's very very difficult for another company to come in and wipe them out. Except if the brand starts losing profit, or there's a criminal scandal. Look at some of the big bankruptcies recently. Yes, Bed Bath and Beyond had a name for themselves, but they also had significant competition along the way, including Wayfair, Pottery Barn, Kohl's, and even Target. Then they started losing profit. Look at JC Penny, they also had a name. But Dillard's and other stores were right there with them the whole way. This isn't the case with Seeking.
I don't think that these new comers like SDM have nearly the amount of traffic that Seeking has, by a long shot. And while none of us know if Seeking is struggling to make a profit right now, I don't see any overt indications that it will shut down any time soon. I think the best example on hand is eBay. It has been around since 1995, and in over 30 years, still no one has been able to topple them yet for being a consumer marketplace. And for a citation, the article below makes it pretty clear. To this very day eBay's transaction volume is still 56 x higher than Mercari.
Of course, I certainly hope that Seeking doesn't just shutter its doors any time soon. But I think the chances of another site just moving in and knocking them down are pretty low at this point. In the mean time, I seems unlikely that they will be making numerous "positive" changes to the site.
https://litcommerce.com/blog/mercari-vs-ebay/
I hate it when Seeking members ask this question; for multiple reasons. First of all, it's a major liability. Secondly, it's an very open ended question with what should be a relatively obvious answer, given the overt implications of Seeking as a website...
However, I will say that seeing that question is generally a mood killer, even if you can manage to get past it.I used to have an issue, but not more recently. Just say that you're looking for a mutually beneficial romantic relationship where you can support her financially. Ask her for her cell or Whatsapp (preferred since encrypted) and go from there. Once off the site, ask her if she would appreciate help with rent, tuition, or other living expenses and what amount of help would be appreciated per meeting or per month. Go from there, negotiate, etc. I always make it clear that I either side can walk after the first date and that there is no financial support without intimacy. That's what I've typically done and it comes across in a veiled, but comfortable way that they respond to well. I can also gauge things prior to the date. The worst is trying to figure it out on a date.
Midwestern
07-29-25, 09:11
After saying LA is a GPS thirst trap I am of course going there. LOL. Midwestern (or anyone) have any luck? Open to all suggestions.There seems to be an amazing escort scene with K-gals, but I didn't want to do the leg work given my short stay there. Plus, it seems you have to register with real ID to get the goods. I was staying just outside of LA, near Claremont. There were over 200 AMPS within driving distance of me. I checked out at least a half dozen of them. All offered CFS, but the providers were WAY past their prime, to the point that it was very gross.
I guess you summarised it very well, in my opinion is the curse of SA.
If money is the common factor involved behind questions & pleasures, then it is indeed a working-girl transaction!
Sadly, the women asking that question are usually out looking for a quick buck and have worn out their welcome with other SDs with their greed. I would answer it as I want someone who is fun both in and out of the bedroom, but it is usually not a good sign. The woman should be interested in you and not a generic SD who is going to be sending her money. Ideally, money should be a fringe benefit not a primary one and for you she should be just as much fun out of the bedroom as in it.
These women who are so out for money are shocked when they get treated like the hookers that they are.
I've been looking for a non-committal, yet fun connection leading to conversations building up to a potential mutually interesting meet-up long term in SA.
Since the last 5-6 months no avail apart from burning my subs & screen time.
Has anyone had any success? Am pre-supposing there isn't anyone similar like me around l, hence!
P.S; When I state sex is optional, am turned down and I find ladies are more interested in sexual fantasy exchanges. Neither am a sugar daddy who would pays for alcohol stuffs& sex or prepared to dinner date in Ritz on day 1 to impress someone. Am a practical monger who takes chance and see if it mutually works!
VanessasClient
08-05-25, 04:50
I've been looking for a non-committal, yet fun connection leading to conversations building up to a potential mutually interesting meet-up long term in SA.
Since the last 5-6 months no avail apart from burning my subs & screen time.
Has anyone had any success? Am pre-supposing there isn't anyone similar like me around l, hence!
P.S; When I state sex is optional, am turned down and I find ladies are more interested in sexual fantasy exchanges. Neither am a sugar daddy who would pays for alcohol stuffs& sex or prepared to dinner date in Ritz on day 1 to impress someone. Am a practical monger who takes chance and see if it mutually works!Where are you looking? I've NEVER had any on Seeking in the USA, EVER. Bunch of unreliable, snobbish morons, claiming to be "women. " I have had luck in South America and the Caribbean.
Find someone who is not afraid to talk. If they want to rush things, that's usually a bad indication in my book. Also, move things off the platform as quickly as possible. Any talk of sex or money on Seeking can potentially get your account frozen these days.
If you are going to talk sex, it's better to be suggestive, than overt. You're better off saying "Hey, on this particular night, I only have a limited amount of time. Since I don't have several hours available, is it possible I can just see you in the bedroom for the evening?" That's less risky than saying "Hey, can we meet for $400 to have sex?" It will usually seem less crass to the woman.
FilthyBeaver
08-05-25, 06:51
Make no mistake, it is work and it does cost money. You don't say much about yourself so I'm not going to write a dissertation but ask yourself two questions: 1) why would a girl be on a site with very strong roots in sugaring relationships? 2) why would a girl put up with a significant age difference in any non-platonic relationship?
Once those questions are answered, figure out what you're willing to pay in time and money and come back to the class for more help.
I've been looking for a non-committal, yet fun connection leading to conversations building up to a potential mutually interesting meet-up long term in SA.
Since the last 5-6 months no avail apart from burning my subs & screen time.
Has anyone had any success? Am pre-supposing there isn't anyone similar like me around l, hence!
P.S; When I state sex is optional, am turned down and I find ladies are more interested in sexual fantasy exchanges. Neither am a sugar daddy who would pays for alcohol stuffs& sex or prepared to dinner date in Ritz on day 1 to impress someone. Am a practical monger who takes chance and see if it mutually works!
Where are you looking? I've NEVER had any on Seeking in the USA, EVER. Bunch of unreliable, snobbish morons, claiming to be "women. " I have had luck in South America and the Caribbean.
Find someone who is not afraid to talk. If they want to rush things, that's usually a bad indication in my book. Also, move things off the platform as quickly as possible. Any talk of sex or money on Seeking can potentially get your account frozen these days.
If you are going to talk sex, it's better to be suggestive, than overt. You're better off saying "Hey, on this particular night, I only have a limited amount of time. Since I don't have several hours available, is it possible I can just see you in the bedroom for the evening?" That's less risky than saying "Hey, can we meet for $400 to have sex?" It will usually seem less crass to the woman.I will be deleting my Seeking account for good soon. Once my latest three-month subscription expires. On it for 12 months over the years when you add it all up. What a waste of time and money! At least in the States it is. Never used it anywhere else, and quite frankly I don't need it for what I want when I travel overseas. Tired of all the bullshit. Nothing but fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. People. I can't stand them! Leave it up to people to ruin what could be a good thing. Well good riddance!
VanessasClient
08-05-25, 14:50
I will be deleting my Seeking account for good soon. Once my latest three-month subscription expires. On it for 12 months over the years when you add it all up. What a waste of time and money! At least in the States it is. Never used it anywhere else, and quite frankly I don't need it for what I want when I travel overseas. Tired of all the bullshit. Nothing but fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. People. I can't stand them! Leave it up to people to ruin what could be a good thing. Well good riddance!If there was another "universal" place to look for tail, I would gladly use it. It seems that many countries have lots of smaller regional sites, and I have zero familiarity with these. I guess some guys have more luck walking the streets, going to brothels, or visiting strip clubs. I've always seen those methods as completely absent of privacy, or quite risky. Shopping online has its own risks; but of all the problems I have encountered from Seeking, none have been too serious. There could have been some issues if I didn't avert them, but thus far, nothing I haven't been able to dodge.
I will be deleting my Seeking account for good soon. Once my latest three-month subscription expires. On it for 12 months over the years when you add it all up. What a waste of time and money! At least in the States it is. Never used it anywhere else, and quite frankly I don't need it for what I want when I travel overseas. Tired of all the bullshit. Nothing but fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. People. I can't stand them! Leave it up to people to ruin what could be a good thing. Well good riddance!I have tried SDM but it seems to be the same. Craigslist used to be the place for a one-time hookup, but that got taken down.
VanessasClient
08-05-25, 20:46
I only activate my premium subscription when I'm about to visit another country, and I only do 1 month at a time. The 3 month "discount" isn't worth it to me if I'm not using the other 2 months. I can see where paying over $100 a month would add up fast, that's over $1,200 a year on something that does not produce consistent returns. For the moment, I can justify the expense given the frequency that I use it.
At VC. Am based in the UK.
And thanks all, am glad to find that am not the lone-futile punter in SA!.
I must say, I did (and still) getting a lot of traction / attention / response in SA, but I am more or less convinced that I do not have the right target audience in SA.
Don't get me wrong, there are aplenty of ladies / girls. And I guess SA's supply chain is well protected there as a business, but sadly, there ends the value!
So if you are considering SA. Please use SA wisely, knowing what you get for your money.
In my experience, 90% of women / ladies who contacts / responds can be grouped in two buckets.
- professional escorts independently screening their potential clients arranging their dairies upfront (call it paid meet ups).
- young sugar babes, looking for cash and stuffs.
I have had 5-6 meetings and dinner so far, from a personal perspective they were all a waste of time and money since fantasies doesn't like up well with reality.
I would rather meet and try an escort at a night club (as am used to!) and much comfortable trying a new one in person. I would rather not do it 'online'. Even if its a wastage of money that way, am happy to make in-person decision than online / chat aided decisions!
Steve 9696
08-09-25, 02:21
Despite all the bitching on here about the site, it remains a great resource, particularly outside the USA. Here's how it went down in Mexico.
This visit was primarily to see Dana whom I met off Seeking in March and we hit it off so well. But as a Seeking expert, I know these things can fizzle out fast so you got to have backup. So in the end I booked Dana for three days, with an empty day on the front and back to explore other options.
In CDMX there are lots of options. But a lot of them are kinda plastic or pro. And I prefer a girl next door. I found a handful of candidates but settled on T who is a very dark complexion Vennie with a 7 face and what looks to be a banging petite body. Even tho there are prettier girls in my shortlist, she is super sweet via text. She calls me her king. Which is sorta campy but I like it! She also only asked 3000 right out the gate and I agreed; whereas more experienced girls are asking 5-6 and taking 4-5. It wasn't that I couldn't pay 4-5; it was that it showed a newbie vibe, which I look for.
T was a good call. Real girl with a real job and sweet as can be. I booked a fancy steak place because most girls like being treated that way, but in retrospect it's just awkward for a girl from the hood. She'the never had salmon before or beef carpaccio or buratta and other such commonplace high end food. It was kinda cool but prob more awkward on balance. And she showed up in her white torn skinny jeans rather than a dress and heels. Just your basic girl from the hood. (Which is same as my home girl whom I adore).
She doesn't speak a lick of English and my Spanish is poor so it was Google translate throughout but we managed. She got a little drunk on two Baileys and a glass of wine. I tried to manage my consumption a bit so I could cum. But we both had a pleasant buzz on.
Back in the room it was on from minute one. I can tell that she likes me physically as the tall gringo and we ate face like a couple kids for quite some time. She's a petite thing so standing kissing is awkward so I pulled her on the bed. It wasn't long before we set free that set of perfect be cups with responsive nipples. I could tell she was getting wet as fuck as I sucked her tits and continued the DFK marathon. She loooves to kiss and that already puts her way ahead in my book.
After a bit we were both ready to rumble and broke mouth contact long enough to get our clothes off. I decided to be the giver first and went down on that beautiful pussy. She was a hot wet mess already so within five minutes of some DATY magic she had a huge O.
Moments later it was her on her knees, dick in mouth for some amazing BBBJ. She is quite good in that department with a full buffet of BLS, harmonica, tongue tapping and more. Along with good eye contact at various points. It feels amazing, but I don't threaten to blow a stack. Just enjoy heaven.
After a good long time maybe 15 minutes I rolled to my back which she took as the signal to mount up. She was ready to mount up and gestured for condom. I said the magic word "vasectomia" and she smiled a big smile and it was on. She rode like a blue ribbon cowgirl for a long time before we switched to the Steve at the side of the bed.
That was super good for both of us but I sometimes find it hard to finish there. So I roll on my back for more BJ. It's really really good so I could def blow a hot load right there but why waste a good vasectomy. I roll her on her back and start pumping away. Before long she has another strong O which I follow shortly with my own CIP. Wow that was great. 40 minutes clock time by my watch with no break. Just animal passion throughout she even had some light clamping aftershocks as I rested inside her.
So one date in the books. Really nice. Tomorrow I see Dana, the main girl I came to see. Stay tuned.
Steve 9696
08-09-25, 16:27
Next day is Dana. The girl I came to visit. But I promised T I'the see her again later that week because she was so great. (Remember I left a free day on the end to repeat with T or Dana or someone new and decided right then T was going to be it). The date with Dana was easy and flowing as it always is. And high recommend for Cityzen rooftop bar if you have some coin. (3600 minimum to book a table). But at the end of the night she says she is tired and going home. Wtf? This of course is the hazard of a girl feeling like a comfortable GF and not a paid girl. One of the hazards of a Seeking relationship with a non-pro that I should have managed better.
Next day by text I tell her I'm pissed. And she says she really didn't understand sex was required every night and she's really sorry. This of course is the downside of the type of seeking girls I love. They are often naive and need coaching. But on balance I prefer the newbies.
I stew most of the day about our falling out, but in doing so I end up cumming two extra times! Here's how.
So having full balls, I decide to go get a happy ending massage at Masajes Polanco that I have written about before. Roberta isn't working but a girl named Ximena is and has four good reviews.
Well they weren't lying. She was fabulous. So much so that during the fun part I keep having to redirect her off of shaft and on to balls. Because otherwise I am going to blow a load waaay too soon. She's very accommodating and even starts doing the redirect herself when she feels me close to the edge. In the end I let er rip with a monster load. Great girl!
Masajes Polanco is quite expensive at 4000 for a topless massage with tit fondling and sucking on the menu and HJ finish of course. But it is 💯 worth it. A good oily handy with a pro can beat alot of bedroom fun. And her gorgeous firm be cups were so good to feel and suck. Wow. Amazing time and absolutely shattering climax while sucking on her tits.
Meantime I am still pissed at Dana so I invite T over even tho we werent supposed to repeat until 3 days hence. She is thrilled and asks off work at 2 — regular girl with regular job! And shows at 3:30. Damn we have a fine time again tho I will spare you the details. We go straight to room so 100% sober and we focus on her amazing BJ and eventually blow a hot load CIM. And a nice late lunch after.
So two shots so far. In the meantime Dana and I have made up so I tell T I have a business dinner at 730 to give me time to clean up for Dana. T and I go shopping and she has such simple needs. I buy her a few things. Less than $100 and she is over the moon.
As Dana has her things to stay overnight we go straight to the room and never do go out to dinner. We first nap for an hour or two because she's super tired from work. But there is no question sex is back on the table.
Her BF has this weird fetish where he likes to listen to her have sex on the phone. (Same as last time and in cool with it) so that's a bit of a weird vibe. But it doesn't prevent us from having a great time. She's a slightly damaged girl so she loves to choke on your cock. And likes to be choked when fucking. Neither is my jam but I oblige! I eventually blow a load CIP as she is moaning and gasping and keeping the BF fully entertained!
She does sleep over which is always lovely and we spend the day together both working "from home" in my hotel room when we are not napping. LOL. This is actually kinda cool. Just seeing her in her PJs over at my desk working away on her laptop. Another girl with a real job. Part of the perfect Seeking formula for me.
When six o clock rolls around she is able to knock off work but wants to rest a while before dinner. No problem. I don't want her to feel pressured, because there is def more BFGF dynamic here than many Seekibg relationships. So I watch some TV as she naps.
After napping we pop up to the rooftop bar and enjoy some cocktails. She orders a Paloma which I'the forgotten was a fave of mine. I developed a taste for it with my ex back home (also Mexican!) as we drank them every time we went to the room.
Our conversation starts out slow because this is our sixth date I think and we have run out of all the small talk. Companionable silence works but I'the rather talk so I decide to go the sexual route and ask when she lost her virginity. This takes things in various directions and I learn so much. As does she. Time flies by and we chat for 2 hours!
We have dinner at a lovely steakhouse nearby and then it's back to the room. Again she wants to rest (a theme that I don't love!) but eventually asks for a massage and I know that's the slippery slope to heaven.
She gets worked up and wants me to slip in prone bone but I only have a chub on. She's like what's the matter and I'm like I need a little help! She can be pretty selfish but gets on her knees and does about five minutes of really excellent BJ.
After this I do slip in prone bone and she's loving it. Fist clenching the sheets and all. But it's not doing much for me. I pull her into the Steve and go for a while. But she's got a few days stubble and I can feel it in this position and it's distracting.
So we move to more BJ. This time on my back. I don't think she loves a mouth finish and I love to finish inside her. So when I am near the edge, we do a quick flip to mish and I pound for about five more minutes before a shattering climax.
Even though the sex with her is a bit awkward and she's a bit selfish, it always turns out well, with a great CIP. Nonetheless, our slight incompatibility in the sex department means she's moving to the bench. I will see her if I'm in town but not fly just to see her again.
Next day is a threesome with T and her friend so stay tuned!
Solid as always Steve, I love reading your posts because I'm a bit of an armchair economist which may be my favorite hobby even more than girls LOL. I love grabbing economic data like 4-5 k pesos is fair rate in CDMX in 2025 hmm I wonder how much that would translate to Warsaw and Budapest (my grounds). I'm curious about the date with T, did you pay any arrangement or shopping (a distinctly BF / GF activity was all she needed). Also How much did you pay Dana to book her for 3 days? Considering she wasted day 1 and presumably you didn't repeat her on day 3, was there an added incentive for her to go the extra mile?
Love your reports man, I'm sure the threesome report will be even better.
Steve 9696
08-10-25, 00:32
Solid as always Steve, I love reading your posts because I'm a bit of an armchair economist which may be my favorite hobby even more than girls LOL. I love grabbing economic data like 4-5 k pesos is fair rate in CDMX in 2025 hmm I wonder how much that would translate to Warsaw and Budapest (my grounds). I'm curious about the date with T, did you pay any arrangement or shopping (a distinctly BF / GF activity was all she needed). Also How much did you pay Dana to book her for 3 days? Considering she wasted day 1 and presumably you didn't repeat her on day 3, was there an added incentive for her to go the extra mile?
Love your reports man, I'm sure the threesome report will be even better.Assume this musta been asked before installment 2 and ISG just has them out of order. Because in installment 2 I explain my Dana dates and shopping w T.
But to summarize Dana. First of all she truly doesn't want to feel like a pro and I am the only guy she's done seeking with. I'm not saying she's some clean girl she does Bumble guys for sure. She just isn't generally a paid girl. I slip her the cash (she never said how much) in an envelope in her purse. First date was no sex. So zero. Then we had two sex dates. I gave her 4 K each so 8 K total for 3 dates and two sex.
T and I agreed 3000. Her initial ask. But she's a poor girl and a good soul. So I gave her 4000 each of our solo dates. And as I said another maybe 1500 in gifts a T-shirt, a jacket, and some sneakers. The dual we agreed 3000 each girl. So 6000 for that date.
She's just my type of Seeking girl. I totally don't feel like I'm dating a paid girl. And she has the best time of her life being with a man who can buy her anything or take her anywhere. I love that combo. Oh and she adores kissing me which doesn’t suck. 😛
Steve 9696
08-10-25, 04:05
Ok so the Dana visit is in the rearview and I've left my last day open for T. I've told Dana I am leaving the next day so that I can have that date with T that I had promised her. But there is an interesting twist. At lunch on Tuesday T had said she'the love to try a threesome and she has a friend who might. So today's date is indeed a threesome with two threesome virgins. Should be interesting!
The girls arrive around 530. Looking like two college coeds in their torn jeans and sneakers. T's friend is hotttt! Beautiful smile, long wavy hair, and a banging set of natural see cups. She def seems a little nervous. These girls aren't pros.
We actually get stopped at the elevator which surprises me this time of day. But I guess the two hot girls alarm went off. Fortunately I am thinking quick and say we are just going to the rooftop for drinks. He calls someone on his head Mike and lets us go up.
Since they seem a little sketch on this I park the girls in some corner couches of the lounge and go order three Baileys rocks. The waiter brings them over in a bit and seems completely nonplussed by me and my two girls. After two quick rounds of Baileys we head down to my room without issue.
I figure the easiest way to start is for me to make out with T and then have D2 join in a bit. So T and I start making out by the window. Shortly D2 comes over and T indicates I should kiss her. OK babe. Your wish is my command. So I DFK D2 and it's nice as well.
We move things to the bed quickly and since the girls are stripping down I do the same. T is on her period (knew this going in) so she keeps her panties on. I feel bad for her that slot of the action is going to revolve around D2 since she has working equipment.
Both girls are completely new to threesomes but are super submissive. So I just direct them around with hand signals. I start by getting them both to kneel and start to blow me. There is nothing like a double BJ.
They start naturally with one on shaft and one on balls. This feels mind blowing. Thank god I've been fucking a lot and had two quick drinks. After a bunch of that heaven I put them on either side of my shaft in a lips sandwich. This too is quite good. I grab both their heads and beautiful hair and mouth-fuck the sandwich.
In starting to think about fucking D2 so I flip on my back. They incorrectly interpret this as just a BJ position change and who am I to argue! So a lot more BJ some with one on balls and one on shaft and sometimes I pull T up to make out. Having a BJ and DFK simultaneously is another one of life's must dos!
After this I'm trying to position them for D2 to blow me on her knees on the bed while I stand and make out with T. I'the done this with some London girls and really liked it. But once again a slight miscue that turns out great.
You see T had told me they are just friends not lovers. So I expected no girl on girl action. But as I position D2 for doggie position BJ, T slides under her and starts eating her out! This is super sexy because D2 has a banging ass. And as she blows me she's grinding her hips on Ts face. OMG so sexy.
I decide it's time to fuck D2, and unfortunately she wants a condom. But I kinda guessed this going in so I was prepared. So I slide into her in doggie, me standing at side of bed.
This kinda leaves T out in the cold but I quickly bring her to make out while I fuck her friend. After a bit I direct T around behind me so she can massage my balls from underneath while I fuck. Damn that is amazing!
From here we switch it up to the Steve, where D2 is on her back at edge of the bed and I am fucking her standing. T is doing her best to stay involved, despite her impaired condition, so she starts making out with D2 and sucking her tits. OMG seeing them tongue tangling six inches from my face while I thrust in and out of D2's hot pussy is a one for the books.
In a bid to finish (esp given the lame condom fucking) we go for more double BJ but no dice. Going to have to go to one of my patented finish techniques. Either whacking off while I get my balls sucked or whacking off while watching my girl masturbate.
Fortunately I don't have to choose! I position D2 on her back and put her hand on her pussy. She gets the message and starts some sexy clit work. I then stand at the edge of the bed watching and have T suck my balls as I whack off.
Wow. This is pretty great and it isn't long before I am ready to cum. T is head down ball licking (in retrospect she should have been on her back) so the shot would go in her hair. Gentleman that I am, I shove her aside and shoot several nice pumps on the sheets. Aaaah. What fun!
But the night is far from over. I promised I'the take T to this amazing club and she was really looking forward to it. But first some dinner. We go to an Argentinian place that is just the right amount of fancy. Like they prepare my Caesar tableside. It's quite a production.
We share a bottle of Malbec which is lovely and I explain the cuts of steak and fattiness to them, since neither is familiar. We end up with a strip, a ribeye, and short ribs and share a bit. Both girls steaks are massive and I have nooooo idea how these two pixies do it but they eat every bite.
Now it's off to the club Mr Bunny. If you like loud driving music and a lit club vibe then you will love this club. There is a line and they are serious about security. Super thorough pat down and even search your wallet for blades or illicit substances. They take Ts ID on her phone so thank god for that.
We are there quite early - 9:30 so it's not very crowded. But still a great fun vibe. I love to dance but both T and D2 are both too embarrassed which is a damn shame. Both don't drink often but order something they like and that is getting things started.
Well it takes a long time and a bit of cajoling and many drinks but nearly two hours later they are out of their seats and dancing. They are having soooo much fun having broken thru their modesty and it makes me happy.
We are drinking like fish and buying cigarettes in the bathroom at 50 pesos for five. You can smoke freely in the club which is nice and unusual these days lots of places. Well nothing a few drinks and cigarettes can't do for a girls mood we graduate to full on dancing and rave hopping and even back grinding both girls. We all three have the night of our lives. No lie. Think we left around 1:30. They have work at 7 AM!! So we pack it in. Damn that was the most fun for me in a long time and T writes me in the morning and says it's the most fun she's had in forever.
So that's my CDMX trip. Went to see Dana. But sex was a little off. Fucked twice. T saved the day with two different long dates and then the amazing threesome and club night. One epic happy ending massage thrown in and I'm a happy guy. Felt like three weeks!
Thanks for the clarification man. Another great read! Keep on rocking!
Went a perfect 4/4 on SA last weekend in CDMX. It was a quick trip. But it all worked really well, girls were all non-pro's. Left a handful that I would have loved to meet.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?840-London&p=3021307&viewfull=1#post3021307.
Just posted about my great experience in London forum! Thanks to all the helpful tips and posts here, my experience was very good!
Cheers.
See.
Many of you men, 95%, were nerds when growing up. Had no pussy in high school. Deprived of having a girlfriend. Had to go to a prostitute for your first intercourse. Admit it! Then you focused on the grades in college and got a good, professional job. Never had time for pussy or fun while growing up and pursuing your career and money source.
Now that you are older, the money rolls in, but you have no relationship skills. No ability to meet and date normal women, nor form relationships. That is why you are continuously looking for new women to bed, and are unable to keep the good ones so someone else gets them and marries them. You continously pour $$ into Seeking Arrangements and other online dating apps, looking for someone you can connect with on more levels than simply physical- but it is impossible. You have failed to learn to love anything other than your own cock! True!
Yes, I have one degree in psychology. A doctorate degree in another related subject. I would write a book about you men, but it would be censored and a pity, women would not buy it, and only the depraved would buy it. Stop this debachery immediately! Start getting deep therapy. It can help you on the path to a successful life!
Many of you men, 95%, were nerds when growing up. Had no pussy in high school. Deprived of having a girlfriend. Had to go to a prostitute for your first intercourse. Admit it! Then you focused on the grades in college and got a good, professional job. Never had time for pussy or fun while growing up and pursuing your career and money source.
Now that you are older, the money rolls in, but you have no relationship skills. No ability to meet and date normal women, nor form relationships. That is why you are continuously looking for new women to bed, and are unable to keep the good ones so someone else gets them and marries them. You continously pour $$ into Seeking Arrangements and other online dating apps, looking for someone you can connect with on more levels than simply physical- but it is impossible. You have failed to learn to love anything other than your own cock! True!
Yes, I have one degree in psychology. A doctorate degree in another related subject. I would write a book about you men, but it would be censored and a pity, women would not buy it, and only the depraved would buy it. Stop this debachery immediately! Start getting deep therapy. It can help you on the path to a successful life!I personally don't want a long term relationship with a woman because I don't want all the baby momma drama (and often financial ruin) that comes with it. Let the other guy marry her and deal with all that and the divorce that comes with it. I'm just all about the five F's. Find her, feel her, finger her, fuck her, and forget her! Amen.
Went a perfect 4/4 on SA last weekend in CDMX. It was a quick trip. But it all worked really well, girls were all non-pro's. Left a handful that I would have loved to meet.Do you mind sharing the gift per encounter, and any additional insights on how the encounters went?
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?840-London&p=3021307&viewfull=1#post3021307.
Just posted about my great experience in London forum! Thanks to all the helpful tips and posts here, my experience was very good!.Really good write-up, can we connect separately? Interested in some details.
Elvis 2008
08-21-25, 23:26
Many of you men, 95%, were nerds when growing up. Had no pussy in high school. Deprived of having a girlfriend. Had to go to a prostitute for your first intercourse. Admit it! Then you focused on the grades in college and got a good, professional job. Never had time for pussy or fun while growing up and pursuing your career and money source.Okay, I see this is true for many guys.
Now that you are older, the money rolls in, but you have no relationship skills. No ability to meet and date normal women, nor form relationships. That is why you are continuously looking for new women to bedPlease! The Coolidge effect is true with all mammals. You are shaming men for normal behavior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect.
and are unable to keep the good ones so someone else gets them and marries them.LOL. Sorry, I kept up with my former SBs on social media. Maybe one did better than if they settled down with me, and I had dozens. I was the one not interested in making things permanent.
You continously pour $$ into Seeking Arrangements and other online dating apps, looking for someone you can connect with on more levels than simply physical- but it is impossible. You have failed to learn to love anything other than your own cock!This says more about you than me. I had women other men drooled over. I was looking for better. Women says they deserve better, and they are applauded even when they are delusional. Men say the same thing and act on it and we are losers who cannot commit. You sound like you got some girl to commit to you and think you are the shit.
A doctorate degree in another related subject. I would write a book about you men, but it would be censored and a pity, women would not buy it, and only the depraved would buy it.So you think you can write a great and necessary book but everyone else is too stupid to buy it or it would be censored? LOL. Really?
Stop this debachery immediately! Start getting deep therapy. It can help you on the path to a successful life!And live a life as great as you? LOL. Look, man, I am in a relationship with a woman that everyone else envies. It is a little better than being a sugar daddy. I do not have to hide what I am doing. Friends and family can meet my woman and that is a plus as long as the woman gets along with others which she has.
In a good relationship, and it is rare to find one, you are comfortable, steady. There are not the highs and lows of finding a new great SB or being burned by a scam artist. It is like you live in a zoo while others are in the wild. The zoo is safer but not as fun as the wild. You feel alive and are forced to grow and learn when you are in the wild.
OTOH, if you are committed to a less than ideal woman, being committed sucks ass. There are a helluva lot more happy SDs than happy husbands.
It is female nature for women chip away at your self-worth and engage in shaming techniques. When they do that, you do the same to them. If you are a professional, you make the hard things look easy, and women think they can do what you can. Their vision of you is Homer Simpson. You go to work and sleep at your fucking desk all day but cleaning the house? Now that is hard work!
The hard part was calling out society's bullshit. If you lose your job, and a woman divorces you. That is okay. You are a bum. But if she stops giving you head and you dump her? You are a monster.
What I learned is that if you want me to commit to you, it is not enough that you be as good in bed as a SB, you need to be better. Woman want to be told, "Oh yes, baby, I am going to love you just this same if you quit giving me head. " Fuck that shit! Security only comes with performance.
No one pays the same when it comes to managing a nuclear power plant versus cleaning a house, yet under the law, you contributed equally if married. When women think divorce what they think is they keep all of what they earned, and half of what you earned. That is their version of fair. Obviously, you have to change that default setting before committing. If they leave you, they get nothing but what they earned.
So stop with the therapy bullshit like men are the problem. Men need to quit being ashamed of who they are and stand up for what is fair. They have been getting pushed around for decades. Anyone with an objective eye who looks at the pool of women men have to choose from now compared to even twenty years ago, and it is a joke. Compared to seventy years ago, it is a fucking travesty, and that is why so many guys are looking abroad. The odds are a helluva lot higher you are going to be a happy SD than a happy husband.
Elvis 2008
08-21-25, 23:51
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?840-London&p=3021307&viewfull=1#post3021307.
Just posted about my great experience in London forum! Thanks to all the helpful tips and posts here, my experience was very good!
Cheers.
See.Great write up, CT! I am not sure where you are based but when I met the 8. 5 to 10 types, I would try to see them when I returned. My best luck was in Mexico, and I introduced my two prospects and later my best three prospects together and they got into each other, and we had some great trips that were among the most fun things I ever did in my life. Hell, they were so much fun, the women barely cared if I paid them.
When I was in Bogota, which runs between 50 and 70 degrees year around, everyone wants a trip to see the sun in the beach towns. I can imagine London is the same especially in the winter. A friend told me that the English treat Spain like we Americans look at Florida, a place to get some warmth and sun. I noticed when I was in Europe, the flights between those two countries were cheap. I stayed at an airbnb when I was in Madrid, and it was moderately priced, and I had a great time there. If you could pull of a trip with your SBs, it could be awesome.
I also got to stay a day in Mallorca Spain and hang at the beach. Wow, that place was great. Most of the people in my crew said it was their favorite ever beach, and I have heard the Canary Islands are even nicer.
Someone can say that I am living vicariously through you but really I want guys to have the same amount of fun I did. There are so many things that can go wrong if you are in a group of 3 or 4, but it is magic if it goes right.
If you can pull of a threesome or foursome with your best women, who are strangers to each other now, you will get my vote for sugar daddy of the year. Right now, I think Steve has you beat, but IMO you are a close #2. That was a great read.
Elvis 2008
08-21-25, 23:53
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?840-London&p=3021307&viewfull=1#post3021307.
Just posted about my great experience in London forum! Thanks to all the helpful tips and posts here, my experience was very good!
Cheers.
See.Great write up, CT! I am not sure where you are based but when I met the 8. 5 to 10 types, I would try to see them when I returned. My best luck was in Mexico, and I introduced my two prospects and later my best three prospects together and they got into each other, and we had some great trips that were among the most fun things I ever did in my life. Hell, they were so much fun, the women barely cared if I paid them.
When I was in Bogota, which runs between 50 and 70 degrees year around, everyone wants a trip to see the sun in the beach towns. I can imagine London is the same especially in the winter. A friend told me that the English treat Spain like we Americans look at Florida, a place to get some warmth and sun. I noticed when I was in Europe, the flights between those two countries were cheap. I stayed at an airbnb when I was in Madrid, and it was moderately priced, and I had a great time there. If you could pull of a trip with your SBs, it could be awesome.
I also got to stay a day in Mallorca Spain and hang at the beach. Wow, that place was great. Most of the people in my crew said it was their favorite ever beach, and I have heard the Canary Islands are even nicer.
Someone can say that I am living vicariously through you but really I want guys to have the same amount of fun I did. There are so many things that can go wrong if you are in a group of 3 or 4, but it is magic if it goes right.
If you can pull of a threesome or foursome with your best women, who are strangers to each other now, you will get my vote for sugar daddy of the year. Right now, I think Steve has you beat, but IMO you are a close #2 and showed some damned fine game and gave us a great read.
Mongerer88
08-22-25, 20:15
Quite the excellent post, sir.
Life is to be enjoyed at as many ages as possible, not just during a short period of time.
Psychology is actually quite the worthless subject with its focus being on childhood and adolescence, even though for most of us, that period of time was largely irrelevant. And psychology measures proximity to the mean (average) without consideration to whether the average is desirable. It is also a subject that causes its proponents to feel more intelligent than they actually are.
Ask any relatively high-earning male what the prime of his life is, and he will answer 40-70. For most high-paying jobs, an absolute fuck of a lot of education and hard work was required to get to that place by ages 40-70, and of course that limited the traditional romantic relationship opportunities for some of them. Few of those people would even give a passing thought to high school or early adulthood. The song Glory Days comes to mind for people who do give thought to that period of life.
The bottom line is that in today's world, 80 percent of guys are attracted to 20 percent of the women, and the majority of those 20 percent of women are in the 18-39 year age range. There will always be competition for access to those women, and the access to those women for someone older than them is generally a transfer of wealth in some manner.
If a guy is young and wants a traditional relationship that involves having children with a lady, then of course long-term relationship skills are a necessity. But guys here are not using compensated sex as a substitute for lack of relationship skills. They simply aren't interested in a traditional relationship with a woman they are not physically attracted to.
And women know what they are doing. They milk the rewards as much as possible during the years they are physically attractive.
Okay, I see this is true for many guys.
Please! The Coolidge effect is true with all mammals. You are shaming men for normal behavior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect.
LOL. Sorry, I kept up with my former SBs on social media. Maybe one did better than if they settled down with me, and I had dozens. I was the one not interested in making things permanent.
This says more about you than me. I had women other men drooled over. I was looking for better. Women says they deserve better, and they are applauded even when they are delusional. Men say the same thing and act on it and we are losers who cannot commit. You sound like you got some girl to commit to you and think you are the shit.
So you think you can write a great and necessary book but everyone else is too stupid to buy it or it would be censored? LOL. Really?
And live a life as great as you? LOL. Look, man, I am in a relationship with a woman that everyone else envies. It is a little better than being a sugar daddy. I do not have to hide what I am doing. Friends and family can meet my woman and that is a plus as long as the woman gets along with others which she has.
In a good relationship, and it is rare to find one, you are comfortable, steady. There are not the highs and lows of finding a new great SB or being burned by a scam artist. It is like you live in a zoo while others are in the wild. The zoo is safer but not as fun as the wild. You feel alive and are forced to grow and learn when you are in the wild.
OTOH, if you are committed to a less than ideal woman, being committed sucks ass. There are a helluva lot more happy SDs than happy husbands.
It is female nature for women chip away at your self-worth and engage in shaming techniques. When they do that, you do the same to them. If you are a professional, you make the hard things look easy, and women think they can do what you can. Their vision of you is Homer Simpson. You go to work and sleep at your fucking desk all day but cleaning the house? Now that is hard work!
Life is to be enjoyed at as many ages as possible, not just during a short period of time. Ask any relatively high-earning male what the prime of his life is, and he will answer 40-70. For most high-paying jobs, an absolute fuck of a lot of education and hard work was required to get to that place by ages 40-70, and of course that limited the traditional romantic relationship opportunities for some of them. If a guy is young and wants a traditional relationship that involves having children with a lady, then of course long-term relationship skills are a necessity. But guys here are not using compensated sex as a substitute for lack of relationship skills. They simply aren't interested in a traditional relationship with a woman. And women know what they are doing. They milk the rewards as much as possible during the years they are physically attractive.This is totally spot on! So much of my thoughts about life are those of a contrarian. That has, at times, made things "challenging" shall I say. But now, I'm retired and don't give a damn. I'm free to be 100% me!
Elvis 2008
08-23-25, 02:04
The bottom line is that in today's world, 80 percent of guys are attracted to 20 percent of the women, and the majority of those 20 percent of women are in the 18-39 year age range. There will always be competition for access to those women, and the access to those women for someone older than them is generally a transfer of wealth in some manner.
And women know what they are doing. They milk the rewards as much as possible during the years they are physically attractive.Great post, Mongerer! It is funny I saw two things today that made me want to add to it. I get what you mean you say top 20%. That is the top 20% of women guys want to fuck. Thing is I saw this video today about women cheating, Why They'll Cheat on You (Even If You're "Perfect" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlXj0Q6FMnk.
And I saw a Facebook post. One of my ex-SBs has gotten engaged. She is a babe, college football cheerleader at D1 school, sunny deposition, a lot of fun to be with. She was from the Midwest and casually mentioned to me that at one time, she was dating the richest guy in her home state. I did not doubt it. She was that hot. I think she was seeing more than me at the time though. She gave good head but she never got into fucking all that much. I even commented to her about why she could not get off, and she had to be in one position and kind of use my dick like a vibrator. So I finally got her off, but the way we had sex like that did not do much for me.
She loved Jersey Mike's, and we would go there all the time. It was funny. We would be in line, and she would ask someone working how they were doing, and they would open up like crazy. It seemed like they would talk to her for 10 minutes straight about their lives.
Now many guys may have a sense of loss over not locking down someone like that, but I knew better. I picked up early on she was bipolar and she was comfortable talking to me about it. I cannot tell you how many times there was some comment like, "Elvis, I am going to go home and slit my wrists and end it all. " Like many bipolar, I could also sense she was in horrible debt.
So I do not feel sorry for losing her but for the guy marrying her. The only way she is not going to be cheating on the poor sap is if she kills herself first. She is fine as a SB but would be terrible as a wife.
Rich Cooper cited studies that once women go above fucking 4 men, the chance they do not cheat in a marriage goes way, way down. Like all the American SBs I met, I felt the same thing. I will commit to you as a wife or GF until something better comes along.
So it got me when I went to Colombia, and I met several women who had never been on seeking and obviously had a lower notch count. There was a lot more interest with many of these women in being a GF than getting paid. If someone has been on the site for a while, they could be decent SB material, but they would probably be horrible GF / wife material.
Anyway, that was part of the learning process with seeking. You get the dream girl not just the hottest high school cheerleader but the hottest one at a D1 school and because of seeking, you can actually honestly say, "Yeah, I deserve better than that. " LOL.
Happy to help if I can, do DM me.
Really good write-up, can we connect separately? Interested in some details.
Thank you Elvis! Great to know a seasoned veteran such as you enjoyed reading this, I def had a lot of fun living & then writing it Steve is a legend of another order, and to be candid I owe whatever sugaring I have done past few years to posts by veterans like you and him!
I am with you on the trip with SBs, I had two SB arrangements run long term & exclusive both sides and we travelled a fair bit across Asia. Singapore, Bali, Sri Lanka, India (many cities), Thailand and gosh those were some of the hottest trips I have done incl. Living some really dreamy kinks! I haven't been able to pull off a group yet, I did try in London with the ladies I saw day 2 and 3 to meet me on Day 4 or 5 but I could not pull it off due to some logistics.
As it happens I am in CDMX in few weeks and I really do want to scratch the threesome itch there, already scoping Seeking there but appreciate any tips you or any other veterans here may have. Lmk if you would like me to DM you to get more insights.
Thanks again for your appreciation and revert!
Cheers.
CT.
Great write up, CT!
Steve 9696
08-23-25, 16:16
First I too want to thank Cthrough for an excellent report. Keep rocking it! And to Elvis etc, I appreciate all the recent kind shoutouts. I do my writeups for my own re-read later to relive every detail (prob read the best ones 20 times or more! But I appreciate it when they give others a fun read or tips on what best to do. And to that end, let me summarize the downside of GFE and how my scales are tipping at the moment.
My standard operating procedure is to fly into a city and see two to three girls when there. I do a lot of Seeking prospecting beforehand and narrow things down. Then I make a date with the first one for the first night and a second one for the second night (possibly a third if I am staying long) and then leave time open to repeat with the best one (s). This has the great element of both newness that we all crave and yet good GFE at the same time.
From time to time I am smitten with a girl and then want to see her more than one or two nights. So, when I am traveling somewhere without a great scene or when I am returning to her city, I will repeat with her. This usually turns out great, but turns a bit meh by the third or so time.
Basically, we start to see true human nature -- girls put their best foot forward and do everything you want to do on the first date. Second date is usually even better, because we are more comfortable. And even the first travel date usually remains great, but then it starts to slip a bit -- less kissing, less BJ, maybe even a day without sex (horrors! There is a pattern and it's not lost on me. And I've seen it back to back in the last couple weeks, so it's even more evident.
First of all, let's be clear that this is a Seeking phenomenon -- and fueled by the types I choose. I choose Seeking girls who are very non-pro and it gets very much like a BFGF thing and this is the slippery slope. I have also traveled or spent a few days with semi-pros -- and this is quite different -- they know they have a job to do and do it well at all times. I will recount the highlights below. These are all girls I spent 3 or more days with -- spending fully 24 hours a day together.
Thifany -- Brazilian -- Semi-pro. Spent a week in London together. Never got tired of her. She was a pro in the sense that she def wanted to get things done in the bed and move on, but never skipping the good stuff. Even gave me a BJ to CIM after she just threw up in the club bathroom 1 hour prior! Knows her job!
Alexa -- USA -- Seeking. Flew her to Miami for a few days. Spent a few days together in Vegas (her town) twice. Despite all the time together, she never got that entitled GFE thing going. We did get into it over money once and her BJ got more perfunctory, but still a great girl till the end. A bit of an exception. Would still see her again.
Krissy -- USA -- Semi-pro Seeking girl. Saw her many long weekends when I was in town. Was truly great the first three times. But then she started getting comfortable. Let's not go out, let's watch Netflix. That kinda thing. Never got lazy on the sex, but got very lazy on the "make my man happy in all ways" part. Still a nice girl and would see her again.
Maya. USA Seeking girl. Only flew her one time. She was SOOOO amazing prior to that. But once on our mini vacation, she was on her period, a bit lazy on BJ, etc. Boo.
Shayla -- USA Seeking girl. Non-pro but done Seeking before. This was my home girl that was my mistress for two years. It totally worked having sex once a week or maybe twice, but she too had the "what, you want to have sex every day" epiphany when I flew her to Florida. A bit lazy on two other trips also. Still dug this girl, but the non-pros are not ready to be fucked daily for 3-5 days straight!
Sue. London Seeking girl. Very much a non-pro. We had several lovely times together, including a few days in London, a few days in the mediterranean, and flying her to LA. I got a lazy vibe one time for a quick night in London, where instead of going out, she wanted to eat takeout in the room and watch Netflix (damn, what? But worst of all, when I flew her to LA, we stayed together but NO SEX. This was a lesson in treating her too much like a GF. I told her I would fly her to LA but wouldn't give her allowance. She was down. But in retrospect this was a huge mistake. She took that as "I can now be a real GF and be lazy as fuck". I would initiate and she would be too tired or some such. Like your wife! She was stunned when I told her we wouldn't be seeing each other anymore. She was really devastated. Just a real girl with naive expectations.
Manu. Brazil Seeking girl. Non-pro but maybe was at one point -- def knows her way around. We had absolutely the best trips several times. Rio to SP. Rio to Barcelona. In Rio twice. Really took a long time for her to get lazy. But she did. Last trip, she even tried to condom me! WTF! Not happening. Was lazy about being on time, a little lazy in bed. Just was not how it started. Boo. I liked her.
Lilly. USA Seeking Girl. Very much a non-pro. Flew her to Vegas once. Did a multi-day in Dallas once. We were really only together about two days each time and it was great. Didn't really have time to settle into any lazy behavior. I have some friends who say "respect the 48 hour rule. 72 max" and I think they have something there! She; s "stepping away from it" for a while, but I hope to get her back. Possibly my ATF -- a Latina dancing machine!
Nathali. Brazil Semi-Pro. Amazing girl. All the guys want her and I get to have her. Spent 3 days together and it was magic. Even the sex before dinner, sex after the club sandwich. So far, we haven't fucked it up yet and hoping we won't since she has the semi-pro vibe and will try to keep her man happy.
Ariel. Barcelona Seeking Girl. Hmmmm some slightly pro vibes, but with a real job and real life. This one, so far, is a bit of a unicorn, because we've spent probably ten days together two different times and we are neither tired of each other nor lazy. It's just still magical. Have my eyes wide open, but no hammer has dropped just yet.
Dana. Mexico Seeking. Non-pro. Had an amazing time first visit, staying inside the 48 hour rule. But next multi-day sleep over visit, sure enough the first night "I'm too tired, I'm going home". You can see a pattern here, right? I could be a real ass about it and force the issue, but that isn't me. We ended up doing two nights of sex, but honestly it was more about her doing it her way than me doing it my way. This is the hazard of girls getting comfy and acting like a real GF in the wrong way.
Gina -- USA Seeking. Non-pro. My regular girl. Just like Shayla, the weekly sex is great. But sure enough we go on a trip and no sex the first night. I decided to not make a big deal about it and instead kinda "schedule" sex the next two nights. She complied with no issues and her BBBJ is soooo on point. So not really lazy yet, but definitely felt a bit of the GF entitlement just sacking first night.
There are probably others in here, but you see the pattern. Semi-pros don't get lazy -- they understand the game. Seeking girls who are true newbies start to fall into Girlfriend Entitlement -- this is partly on me because I refer to them as my GF and I like all the feel of a GF, but it does tend to lead here. At least I am not blind to it, having seen it quite clearly, especially back to back this month!
So hopefully this gives you something to watch out for -- don't let it become too girlfriendy (like not paying Sue was a mistake) and keep it to 48-72 hrs to prevent too much comfort level. And address it ASAP when it starts to get this way.
For me, I need a good 10 girl trip to Brazil or Thailand to shake off the GFE curse. I am confident that will be an amazing fix!
AmericanPi
08-23-25, 18:31
!Responding to steve, but I'll remove the quote so it's not a super long message here.
All you said, spot on. But I'll add another few pitfalls of recurring situations.
One girl I had seen many times in Mexico. She wasn't the hottest, but she was so accommodating. Would meet me anytime, anywhere, and do whatever I want. But then she started to talk about wanting to have kids with me. It freaked me out. I wanted to shake her and ask if she seriously thinks that's even remotely on the table here. Once I started to fear she'the pop holes in my condom or something, it was over.
Another repeat girl I liked started to send passive aggressive messages if it was too long in between meetings. And the she'the start off the meetings all pouty. It annoyed me. But I still see her.
One last repeat girl. I wanted to go a level with her. And she agreed. But then she wanted to immediately stop. She didn't like it. So we stopped. Fine. She thought I had gone in too fast and hard. How did she show me that? She hopped on top of me and made the same hip thrusting motion on my stomach with an angry face while saying why do you have to do it like this. That obviously killed everything. It was such a window into a sort of aggressive communication style that I just ended things. Like I could see in an instant how she talks to boyfriends once the honeymoon phase is over. Just a bit of anger issues.
Elvis 2008
08-24-25, 20:18
There are probably others in here, but you see the pattern. Semi-pros don't get lazy -- they understand the game. Seeking girls who are true newbies start to fall into Girlfriend Entitlement -- this is partly on me because I refer to them as my GF and I like all the feel of a GF, but it does tend to lead here. At least I am not blind to it, having seen it quite clearly, especially back to back this month!
So hopefully this gives you something to watch out for -- don't let it become too girlfriendy (like not paying Sue was a mistake) and keep it to 48-72 hrs to prevent too much comfort level. And address it ASAP when it starts to get this way.
Man, ain't that the truth! I kept seeing this. I asked if this was normal and if any women bucked this trend, and Rich Cooper had the answer. He found studies that showed desire on the woman's part in relationships goes down way faster than with the men. He also said that studies show that 90% of what men get out of relationships is sex.
I felt like I was the weird one. I put my foot down and said no honey means no money and had P4 P SBs. If that was the only way to ensure a steady stream of sex, then so be it. My female friends and family hated my attitude, and as we saw with HH, you get this same nonsense, "You are not a real man. You cannot get a real woman. You are a sex addict. " Blah, blah, blah. Nah, if I am paying for everything, a woman needs to suck and fuck me when I want to, and if she does not do that, I am getting a new woman. I had played by society's rules, and they were making me miserable.
This video talks about wife and cooking, but it may as well be sex, Wife Says She Won't Cook Anymore. Here's the HARSH Truth, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G59aZbSjsU0.
This is what women do. They keep chipping away at what they provide until you are left getting nothing from them. Cooper is right in that all the pro-marriage guys like Matt Walsh do not have a solution for this. Courts can dictate how much you pay in a divorce, but they cannot mandate your wife has sex with you. So what is the solution?
You get rid of your woman. Oh, we have kids, mutual friends ETC. Well, she does not give a shit about that, so why should you? How hard is it to suck a dick?
Of all the shit my ex-wife pulled, the one that resonated the most with other men and even some women was that she quit giving me head. My ex-wife was so upset about this she actually went to my mother, my mother!, and told her that she loved sucking my dick but it just didn't taste clean. No other woman said I tasted funny or had an issue sucking my dick, and there were many.
If I ever brought this topic up with anyone, you know what they are going to say, "Well, Elvis, you need to clean your dick better. " So not matter what, it was my fault. This is what women do. They do not do their job and blame their man! And they replace effort with shame and like we just saw with HH, we got men taking the woman's side in this conflict.
On one of my trips I mentioned to one of the women that even though we fucked a lot, I did not get off, and she felt so badly. She apologized profusely, so these women know what they are doing.
For every woman griping about a man who cheated on him, I want to ask, well, were you sucking his dick? If the answer is no, then IMO, he is not cheating.
So yeah, I get wanting to get closer to a woman, and you want them to suck your dick because they want to versus getting paid to do it. Thing is, and I am not trying to brag here but get you guys what you deserve, the reason I committed to the woman I did is I have to tell her most times to stop giving me head and that I want to fuck. And you guys should settle for nothing less than that.
I know you have to deal with all this consent bullshit and "abuse", but I think if I went back into the sugar world, I would be more forceful and tell a woman, "Yeah, I need to get my dick sucked. " If she did not do it, then I would cut her loose right then and there. Maybe I am full of it and talking tough because I am not in the world, but I feel like there is more support for a guy behaving like that than ever, and I think I would be much more strict with women in getting what I want than I was before.
Some of you may recall that a few years ago, I had an unbelievable, smashing success on Seeking. I always describe it as having been a "walk-off, grand slam home run". It all ended when she moved too far away for us to continue the fling. Well, she married a guy who met her and just had to wife her up. Now get this, I'm back in contact with her and she's getting a divorce! And the way she talks about it, the whole situation is a fucked up disaster where both he and she did stupid stuff to ruin the marriage. Both are dealing with legal and financial problems! If this doesn't drive home what I have been emphasizing I don't know what does! I was fucking her, and she knew I was never going to commit to her. I let the other guy marry her. Now look at! Damn! Glad it wasn't me.
Steve 9696
08-25-25, 03:12
Man, ain't that the truth! I kept seeing this. I asked if this was normal and if any women bucked this trend, and Rich Cooper had the answer. He found studies that showed desire on the woman's part in relationships goes down way faster than with the men. He also said that studies show that 90% of what men get out of relationships is sex.
I felt like I was the weird one. I put my foot down and said no honey means no money and had P4 P SBs. If that was the only way to ensure a steady stream of sex, then so be it. My female friends and family hated my attitude, and as we saw with HH, you get this same nonsense, "You are not a real man. You cannot get a real woman. You are a sex addict. " Blah, blah, blah. Nah, if I am paying for everything, a woman needs to suck and fuck me when I want to, and if she does not do that, I am getting a new woman. I had played by society's rules, and they were making me miserable.
This video talks about wife and cooking, but it may as well be sex, Wife Says She Won't Cook Anymore. Here's the HARSH Truth, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G59aZbSjsU0.
This is what women do. They keep chipping away at what they provide until you are left getting nothing from them. Cooper is right in that all the pro-marriage guys like Matt Walsh do not have a solution for this. Courts can dictate how much you pay in a divorce, but they cannot mandate your wife has sex with you. So what is the solution?
You get rid of your woman. Oh, we have kids, mutual friends ETC. Well, she does not give a shit about that, so why should you? How hard is it to suck a dick?
Of all the shit my ex-wife pulled, the one that resonated the most with other men and even some women was that she quit giving me head. My ex-wife was so upset about this she actually went to my mother, my mother!, and told her that she loved sucking my dick but it just didn't taste clean. No other woman said I tasted funny or had an issue sucking my dick, and there were many.
If I ever brought this topic up with anyone, you know what they are going to say, "Well, Elvis, you need to clean your dick better. " So not matter what, it was my fault. This is what women do. They do not do their job and blame their man! And they replace effort with shame and like we just saw with HH, we got men taking the woman's side in this conflict.
On one of my trips I mentioned to one of the women that even though we fucked a lot, I did not get off, and she felt so badly. She apologized profusely, so these women know what they are doing.
For every woman griping about a man who cheated on him, I want to ask, well, were you sucking his dick? If the answer is no, then IMO, he is not cheating.
So yeah, I get wanting to get closer to a woman, and you want them to suck your dick because they want to versus getting paid to do it. Thing is, and I am not trying to brag here but get you guys what you deserve, the reason I committed to the woman I did is I have to tell her most times to stop giving me head and that I want to fuck. And you guys should settle for nothing less than that.
I know you have to deal with all this consent bullshit and "abuse", but I think if I went back into the sugar world, I would be more forceful and tell a woman, "Yeah, I need to get my dick sucked. " If she did not do it, then I would cut her loose right then and there. Maybe I am full of it and talking tough because I am not in the world, but I feel like there is more support for a guy behaving like that than ever, and I think I would be much more strict with women in getting what I want than I was before.A couple points in here resonate with me. First is that I feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever that I step out on my wife. I went TEN years being faithful after the sex stopped.
And for what? It just made me angry. I am not the one cheating. She is! Stopping sex with your husband is an absolute violation of the marriage agreement. I have ZERO guilt fucking all the hotties I do. In fact I became a better husband because I wasn't so stressed out!
The other point is about BJ and Kissing. There are some girls that looooove to BJ and kiss (usually highly correlated) and those that do it because they are supposed to. I don't date the latter anymore. Only girls that loooove to BJ for me. This is how I decided on Gina vs Fuck Bunny last fall. Fuck Bunny looks amazing. A 9. And great fun to chat with. Really adore her in all ways but in the bedroom. She just wants to fuck and BJ is a perfunctory chore. Maybe five minutes and she's done. One time I told her some girls love to do it and will do 20-30 minutes. She said no fucking way. She literally did not believe me!
So in the end I chose Gina who is a 7 optically but loves to suck dick. And after I trained her up she is stunningly good at it. And no quit in this girl. She will even give me car BJs "for free" when we go out on non hotel date nights. One night she even went at it for 40 minutes nonstop to get the goods. Wtf. That's a keeper for sure. Guess that's why she won the bake off. And we are still together a year later!
Intelligencium
08-25-25, 20:49
Hi folks,
It's been a while I went to Europe for fun, so asking for help. Last time I was there I enjoyed a lot in Spain. There were tons of GFE SB options in Barcelona and Madrid. It was an unforgettable experience and I am looking for a repeat. But wondering if there are other cities where good supply exists. Last I remember London was an option. Any other place you suggest? My plans will take me to Amsterdam, but I heard supply is limited there?
Thanks!
NoBuglyFitches
08-26-25, 13:13
Seeking girls who are true newbies start to fall into Girlfriend Entitlement -- this is partly on me because I refer to them as my GF and I like all the feel of a GF, but it does tend to lead here. At least I am not blind to it, having seen it quite clearly, especially back to back this month!
When it happened to me, I explained it in one of two ways:
Promoting her to GF status so easily makes her lose respect for you and with it attraction. In her mind, if he makes me his GF just like that, he must not have been with many hot girls so he's low status.
Also, playing girlfriend is extra emotional labor because she doesn't think of you as her boyfriend. But you're not giving her more money for that extra work, so she has less emotional energy left for sex.
All this on top of the usual drop-off once she's past the novelty and the desire to please a new man.
Hi folks,
It's been a while I went to Europe for fun, so asking for help. Last time I was there I enjoyed a lot in Spain. There were tons of GFE SB options in Barcelona and Madrid. It was an unforgettable experience and I am looking for a repeat. But wondering if there are other cities where good supply exists. Last I remember London was an option. Any other place you suggest? My plans will take me to Amsterdam, but I heard supply is limited there?
Thanks!I've used seeking several time in Lisbon with great success.
Stirling.
A 27 year-old, single mother of 3 tells me she's looking for $4,000 a month in support. Yeah, good luck with that LOL! Why would anyone agree to just give her that amount of money? Plenty of hardworking people get up each morning and toil at jobs that don't pay that much. There's nothing particularly special or unique about her. Nobody on Seeking is going to pay her that, and she'll just keep working whatever jobs she's working and collecting whatever child support she's getting (or not getting) from her ex. That is, unless and until some other sucker decides to wife her up again (long shot at success with that for her). As Elvis noted, it's hard for a woman to get a man to agree to take care of her, and I emphasize especially in these modern times. The "contract" between western men and women has changed dramatically over recent decades. The women want to be free and independent, but then they get out there and see how hard it is to consistently earn a good living, especially when childcare normally falls heavily upon them. So then they start wanting to have it both ways. They want to be free and independent and do what they want, but then they also start wishing and wanting for a man to take care of their big asses too! These western softcore hoors are simply devoid of reality! They want to stand on their own. But then they still want men to open and hold the door for them. The overwhelming majority will not be able to have it both ways and need to make a choice. Be independent and strike out on your own. Or accept a man in your life and fulfill traditional husband and wife roles in full partnership. No half stepping it (men giving you a bunch of money while you just do whatever the fuck you want)!
Voodoo Jones
08-27-25, 16:04
I haven't used Seeking since they implemented their new rules about selfie verifications. I just checked and luckily because I've been a member for years, they don't require I verify myself. But I wanted to ask you all if the changes have been positive?
NoBuglyFitches
08-27-25, 17:07
Hi folks,
It's been a while I went to Europe for fun, so asking for help. Last time I was there I enjoyed a lot in Spain. There were tons of GFE SB options in Barcelona and Madrid. It was an unforgettable experience and I am looking for a repeat. But wondering if there are other cities where good supply exists. Last I remember London was an option. Any other place you suggest? My plans will take me to Amsterdam, but I heard supply is limited there?
Thanks!Lisbon is cheaper than Spain but supply isn't nearly as good.
I see 3-4 profiles online in Lisbon at the moment vs 20+ in Madrid. Madrid gets inflow from Colombia, AR, Venezuella etc. And a decent escort scene if Seeking doesn't work out.
Hard to answer your question without knowing more of what you're looking for. For example, Paris is better than Madrid for black / African girls. Just for "supply," Spain a safe bet. London is great for escorts and ok for sugar imo, in terms of price to looks.
Intelligencium
08-27-25, 18:17
Hard to answer your question without knowing more of what you're looking for.Last time I was in Spain, I met a variety of girls and I liked that. There were Brazilians, Argentinian, Colombian, Ukrainian, Spanish and even Catalan. I am looking for best bang for buck with high supply so that I am not spending all my time there chatting up on SA trying to set a date. Barcelona was great last time as I could find many options for 300-500 Euro without sinking a lot of time on the app.
So looking for something like that.
What's the going rate in Lisbon? And Madrid / Barcelona nowadays? Are there girls outside of those two cities in Spain? E. g, Seville, Malaga or Valencia?
Thanks!
NoBuglyFitches
08-27-25, 23:08
I am looking for best bang for buck with high supply so that I am not spending all my time there chatting up on SA trying to set a date. Spain fits your bill the best imo. LatAm ladies in BCN would have more flexible schedules compared to students or office workers in Germany.
Elvis 2008
08-28-25, 07:30
A 27 year-old, single mother of 3 tells me she's looking for $4,000 a month in support.Just that she brings that up is a turn off. She should be focused on pleasing you versus playing the victim. Toss in the food stamps and child support with that requested allowance and she would have to earn six figures in the workplace to match all those handouts.
When my gal and I on go on trips, we bring along her 16 year old daughter. Lately, I have been letting her bring a friend. It is more fun for her and for all of us.
Thing is her friends love the trips so much that they all want to go. Her friends have driven her so crazy that she only lets them know she is going on a trip after we leave. When these women hit 18, they would all be in the top 1% of the American dating pool. Thing is they are seeing the world outside of Colombia. It is real to them after they have seen it, and they want to be in it.
In two years, these women will be on the market. Now the 18 year old Colombian girl likely has to date the Colombian men and get them out of their system first, but could you imagine if you took a pic of one of these girls and showed it to the single mother and said you are paying her only $500 per month? She would say you are preying on these young girls, but she is not preying on men right? No, men cannot be victims.
So you have the American women putting down American men saying they are weird going after said women, but you have the guys here doing it too. They say that there is no way any of these young women could like older men. They are only after $. Sure, seeking has the hooker types, and the hooker types are most women but my favorite example of a woman who was not a hooker was one who wanted to give me my money back after I banged her. She wanted a relationship with me, so I was seeing the opposite with some women.
I did not get this though. Why would a hot Colombian woman want me over an attractive young Colombian stud? And the reason is the Colombian / Latin man is going to have one or more of these traits: he will cheat on you, have no money or job, be hooked on coke or booze, possibly strike the women, and never admit to being wrong. Latin women live lives then of pure chaos. I was shocked at how many kids are taken from their mothers by other family members legal or otherwise. In reality then, the Colombian men even the young ones are much more likely to prey on Colombian women than American men are.
Thing is I wish you guys could see the women I see. They want the life that you guys could provide, a life that I am providing my gal and her daughter. Yeah, these women are not as easy to meet as the single mom on seeking. But these girls will be in university soon, and guys here would have to find a way to penetrate that scene which would take game and persistence. But the main thing I want guys here to know is that these gems are there, they are amazing, and they are obtainable.
It was these Latin women I wanted to meet and fly to see in my off time. I think I last had sex in the USA in 2018 and do not miss American women at all.
Below summarises online dating websites plagued with ladies thinking there are men out there who will support their financial needs and show them coated with sex in exchange for money!
There is probably a bunch of rich filthy perverted sick men out there ready to pay $4 K to see her wet pants down!
That is indeed the sad state of online dating.
A 27 year-old, single mother of 3 tells me she's looking for $4,000 a month in support. Yeah, good luck with that LOL! Why would anyone agree to just give her that amount of money? Plenty of hardworking people get up each morning and toil at jobs that don't pay that much. There's nothing particularly special or unique about her. Nobody on Seeking is going to pay her that, and she'll just keep working whatever jobs she's working and collecting whatever child support she's getting (or not getting) from her ex. That is, unless and until some other sucker decides to wife her up again (long shot at success with that for her). As Elvis noted, it's hard for a woman to get a man to agree to take care of her, and I emphasize especially in these modern times. The "contract" between western men and women has changed dramatically over recent decades. The women want to be free and independent, but then they get out there and see how hard it is to consistently earn a good living, especially when childcare normally falls heavily upon them. So then they start wanting to have it both ways. They want to be free and independent and do what they want, but then they also start wishing and wanting for a man to take care of their big asses too! These western softcore hoors are simply devoid of reality! They want to stand on their own. But then they still want men to open and hold the door for them. The overwhelming majority will not be able to have it both ways and need to make a choice. Be independent and strike out on your own. Or accept a man in your life and fulfill traditional husband and wife roles in full partnership. No half stepping it (men giving you a bunch of money while you just do whatever the fuck you want)!
I wasnt aware of this thread till now, so here is an executive summary of two places I've used seeking with success (and failure).
Singapore. Seeking is where you can find Chinese girls. Many are office workers who are either out of work or need extra cash. I've had some fun times with this. Some have shown up straight from their deskjob.
Tokyo. I love these girls. These tend to be artistic / creative types.
The connecting theme here is that these are expensive cities, and even girls with jobs struggle to make ends meet and are open to meeting visitors for a little fun.
Steve 9696
08-30-25, 11:28
I wasnt aware of this thread till now, so here is an executive summary of two places I've used seeking with success (and failure).
Singapore. Seeking is where you can find Chinese girls. Many are office workers who are either out of work or need extra cash. I've had some fun times with this. Some have shown up straight from their deskjob.
Tokyo. I love these girls. These tend to be artistic / creative types.
The connecting theme here is that these are expensive cities, and even girls with jobs struggle to make ends meet and are open to meeting visitors for a little fun.That is super interesting intel. Thanks for sharing. What about price. As you say they are expensive economies. What is your experience as far as average and range for successful PPM with a seven+. Each country. Thanks.
TwentyTwoTwos
09-01-25, 17:02
I'm completely new to this but how do you guys find so much time to be away from your wives to pursue other interests? Even as much as spend time overseas by yourselves and monger?
DwayneJohnson
09-01-25, 17:58
I'm completely new to this but how do you guys find so much time to be away from your wives to pursue other interests? Even as much as spend time overseas by yourselves and monger?Best option is to not have a wife. Second best option is to have a wife who is fine with mongering, very rare but usually opposite is common these days (I. E. Betac*ck husband). Third option is to get a job or start a business that requires frequent travel so you can mask side adventures.
Elvis 2008
09-02-25, 00:33
For the most part, I have found that women will be very critical of bad female behavior in private, but very few are willing to go public because they will get verbally smacked around for it. But there is one woman who has been holding women accountable publicly, Pearl Davis, and I just discovered her.
This is just her latest video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VHmimEmRI If JAY CUTLER Can Get Divorce Graped (financially raped) then It Can Happen To An Average Guy Like You. I enjoyed watching this video, and it was not just Jay Cutler but Tom Brady had this happen too. And male athletes in general getting screwed over by women is really common.
In the video, she also commented on the conservative host Jay Crowder who was promoting marriage to young men but then he got married and had a nasty divorce. Pearl also has spoken to the conservative Christian podcasters and had told them that pushing young men into marriage in many cases was a disaster, and she seemed to take guilty pleasure with this guy's divorce.
The real jewel though was an interview with Aaron Clarey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyXW35ymdLs, Clarey is an economist who has the balls as well to tell it like it is. The highlight was Pearl talking about how women love to be hookers at the one hour, seventeen minute mark and how Clarey responded. I have always had an issue with the notion that a NFL player is not selling his body but a hooker is.
The other most interesting part for me was when Pearl said women love being hookers but she meant women on seeking.com not walking the streets. I was thinking, if prostitution is doing something against your will, then women who like being on seeking really are not prostitutes then, right?
This little clip showed me all that was wrong with relationships, and Pearl really nailed what I was seeing with how things should be. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SuISWzWjY2s.
The feminist coach in this clip is just pushing this woman to take from men. That is the modern woman I hate. Pearl responded by saying selflessness is the core of what femininity should be. Yes, the grandma made the cookies but the grandfather paid for the sugar, the chocolate chips ETC. That is what I do not mind paying for, and it was hard for me to find women who were not mostly selfish. The best part about seeking is / was having to get away from a selfish woman. It was a helluva lot cheaper and easier with a seeking woman than a GF breakup or divorce.
VanessasClient
09-02-25, 07:09
She did an episode last week on Sadia Khan being exposed as a cum dumpster, among other things.
Men have always been in competition with other men. But in the USA, it's starting to feel like men are in a conflict with women. Very few people seem to be proposing solutions; both sides are just hurling insults and blaming each other. Have we reached the point of no return yet?
Welcome to humanity; where motivation generally arises from selfishness and greed. But, a portion of that comes from the human brain. Wrong forum to be having this discussion. Anyway, I'm going to see if her channel has any other decent content.
For the most part, I have found that women will be very critical of bad female behavior in private, but very few are willing to go public because they will get verbally smacked around for it. But there is one woman who has been holding women accountable publicly, Pearl Davis, and I just discovered her.
This is just her latest video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VHmimEmRI If JAY CUTLER Can Get Divorce Graped (financially raped) then It Can Happen To An Average Guy Like You. I enjoyed watching this video, and it was not just Jay Cutler but Tom Brady had this happen too. And male athletes in general getting screwed over by women is really common.
In the video, she also commented on the conservative host Jay Crowder who was promoting marriage to young men but then he got married and had a nasty divorce. Pearl also has spoken to the conservative Christian podcasters and had told them that pushing young men into marriage in many cases was a disaster, and she seemed to take guilty pleasure with this guy's divorce.
The real jewel though was an interview with Aaron Clarey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyXW35ymdLs, Clarey is an economist who has the balls as well to tell it like it is. The highlight was Pearl talking about how women love to be hookers at the one hour, seventeen minute mark and how Clarey responded. I have always had an issue with the notion that a NFL player is not selling his body but a hooker is.
The other most interesting part for me was when Pearl said women love being hookers but she meant women on seeking.com not walking the streets. I was thinking, if prostitution is doing something against your will, then women who like being on seeking really are not prostitutes then, right?
This little clip showed me all that was wrong with relationships, and Pearl really nailed what I was seeing with how things should be. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SuISWzWjY2s.
The feminist coach in this clip is just pushing this woman to take from men. That is the modern woman I hate. Pearl responded by saying selflessness is the core of what femininity should be. Yes, the grandma made the cookies but the grandfather paid for the sugar, the chocolate chips ETC. That is what I do not mind paying for, and it was hard for me to find women who were not mostly selfish. The best part about seeking is / was having to get away from a selfish woman. It was a helluva lot cheaper and easier with a seeking woman than a GF breakup or divorce.
Elvis 2008
09-02-25, 07:25
I'm completely new to this but how do you guys find so much time to be away from your wives to pursue other interests? Even as much as spend time overseas by yourselves and monger?The simple answer is you lie. Women really do not care about cheating unless their faces are rubbed in it at least at first. Thing is at some point is she is going to get sick of the lying or you are and when that happens, disaster ensues.
The more complex answer is you tell your woman you are not sexually satisfied with her, and you want either a cohabiting agreement written by a lawyer or a divorce. I think 25% is way low but check out this clip, https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3HJEy7h4d8g
It is probably 3 X that number when it comes to men not sexually satisfied with their wives. But the important part of that clip is both women are saying men being sexually satisfied is crucial to a marriage. This is the part I think men do not get. Women especially in the upper classes are getting divorces just because they are unhappy. That gives men the same out. If you are unhappy in your marriage for sex or otherwise, women are saying you have the right to get out, and they have dictated the rules and say leaving if you are sexually unsatisfied is honorable whereas cheating on your spouse is not.
Thing is if your woman does not care if she sexually satisfies you then your marriage is pretty much over anyway. I know. I know. You just do not understand my situation, Elvis. Trust me, I do. I have seen it all before.
IMO most guys have affairs because their wives emasculate them and they seek out other women to make themselves feel better. If there is a decent guy, I think most wives would prefer a cohabiting arrangement to a divorce anyway. If you really want your freedom, you need to be straight with her. At some point, the anxiety associated with the lying is going to get to you or her. You think it is easier not to tell her about what you want but in the long run, it really is.
That is super interesting intel. Thanks for sharing. What about price. As you say they are expensive economies. What is your experience as far as average and range for successful PPM with a seven+. Each country. Thanks.Singapore - $600-$1000 SGD for a date with drinks at hotel bar and fun in room, usually 2 shots is ok. These are girls with day jobs. My favorite was a Singapore chinese girl who worked as a civil engineer in a government job. Showed up at 6 pm like a professional office worker. Another worked as a customer relations officer in a bank.
That may seem like a lot, but for perspective 1 hour with a hot vietnamese hooker from Brix is $400. The vietnamese hooker is more sexual PSE experience. The Seeking girl feels more like a date, YMMV.
Japan - 80 K yen seems standard. My favorite, who I see regularly like to take me to different bars in the city, where we meet have drinks then go back to hotel. Unfortunately, she decided to get a nose job in Korea. I like girls who look a little different.
VanessasClient
09-03-25, 04:25
Singapore - $600-$1000 SGD for a date with drinks at hotel bar and fun in room, usually 2 shots is ok. These are girls with day jobs. My favorite was a Singapore chinese girl who worked as a civil engineer in a government job. Showed up at 6 pm like a professional office worker. Another worked as a customer relations officer in a bank.
That may seem like a lot, but for perspective 1 hour with a hot vietnamese hooker from Brix is $400. The vietnamese hooker is more sexual PSE experience. The Seeking girl feels more like a date, YMMV.
Japan - 80 K yen seems standard. My favorite, who I see regularly like to take me to different bars in the city, where we meet have drinks then go back to hotel. Unfortunately, she decided to get a nose job in Korea. I like girls who look a little different.600 SGD is over 460 USD at the current exchange rate. For me, no fucking way man, I can stay home in the USA get similar prices without flying half way across the world. But, to each his own.
Have noticed the white girls in my area want more money and are harder to get into my stable, than the mixed or black girls. I am white. I now have 3 black girls I can do, as I please, and only 1 white girl. This is raw data. I am not sure what it means. Maybe the black girls are more attracted to white guys?
I also note there are more women with kids who need $$. They are not getting money from their babys daddy. The single ones with no kids want more money, are generally in better shape physically, and are less willing to meet and fuck.
Not sure if others have notices the data.
Expat American
09-03-25, 15:58
600 SGD is over 460 USD at the current exchange rate. For me, no fucking way man, I can stay home in the USA get similar prices without flying half way across the world. But, to each his own.Before COVID I had a SB in Singapore for SGD 350. No particular time limit, multi hour dates. She had a proper corporate day job and I knew where she worked and lived also. I don't know what the prices are now as I stopped playing in Singapore and just fly 1.5 hrs to Jakarta where Seeking is a goldmine of willing young girls ranging from free to 2 m IDR ($125) per night.
Have noticed the white girls in my area want more money and are harder to get into my stable, than the mixed or black girls. I am white. I now have 3 black girls I can do, as I please, and only 1 white girl. This is raw data. I am not sure what it means. Maybe the black girls are more attracted to white guys?
I also note there are more women with kids who need $$. They are not getting money from their babys daddy. The single ones with no kids want more money, are generally in better shape physically, and are less willing to meet and fuck.
Not sure if others have notices the data.I think this is pretty much spot on. A lot of the ones here going on and on about how great Seeking is regularly leave out these important findings and realities. If you're looking for cute, "girl next door", American white girls that's going to be much, much, much harder to find on Seeking with any kind of steady success.
Steve 9696
09-03-25, 20:52
Have noticed the white girls in my area want more money and are harder to get into my stable, than the mixed or black girls. I am white. I now have 3 black girls I can do, as I please, and only 1 white girl. This is raw data. I am not sure what it means. Maybe the black girls are more attracted to white guys?
I also note there are more women with kids who need $$. They are not getting money from their babys daddy. The single ones with no kids want more money, are generally in better shape physically, and are less willing to meet and fuck.
Not sure if others have notices the data.Yep. No question. More entitled white girls with GPS! 90% of my US seeking girls have been black / mixed / latina. Fortunately my tastes skew that way.
Elvis 2008
09-03-25, 22:15
Men have always been in competition with other men. But in the USA, it's starting to feel like men are in a conflict with women. Very few people seem to be proposing solutions; both sides are just hurling insults and blaming each other. Have we reached the point of no return yet?Nah, that is not what I am talking about. It is not that I hate women or see them as competition. It is the difference between what women say, their bullshit, and reality, and I have not seen a woman tell men / the world the truth.
Welcome to humanity; where motivation generally arises from selfishness and greed. But, a portion of that comes from the human brain. Wrong forum to be having this discussion.Nah, we just had a question from a guy on how men get away with traveling and not getting caught.
So we have been told about women and men "loving me and just me for the way I am" right? And if he cheats on me, they are out of there. That is bullshit from what I have seen in the real world.
And Pearl sees the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g9-zQhs5IH8
70% of women have been cheated on and 80% of women stayed. In fact, when women left the man, was very often when the man tried to be loyal.
What gets me is when men get all moral about this instead of just asking women when women groan on about being cheated on, did you leave him? If not, you should not care. If women left men all the time men cheated, men would not do it. But men play into this notion of women always being the victim.
And then we have the why.
Women abuse men when the women think they are the only source of sex for that man.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n0B997Pehy0
If you listen to women's bullshit, being cheated on is the worst thing in the world. If you look at their behavior, they are literally creating incentives for men to cheat because they treat men like shit when men are being loyal.
The real reason women go on about getting cheated on is that it brings them attention and also financial reward from the guy "making up" for cheating.
Before COVID I had a SB in Singapore for SGD 350. No particular time limit, multi hour dates. She had a proper corporate day job and I knew where she worked and lived also. I don't know what the prices are now as I stopped playing in Singapore and just fly 1.5 hrs to Jakarta where Seeking is a goldmine of willing young girls ranging from free to 2 m IDR ($125) per night.So I heard this among other members of the forum as well and have read few posts around SA in Jakarta which has got me very curious. Is it actually more easy to score with GND type? I usually look for SBs who are non pros and do SA on the side, they in my opinion provide the best GFE.
From my experience SA is consolidated online diary of pro & semi-pro WGs who either operate independently or via agencies sorting their advance bookings.
There is also a huge collection of single-mums looking for cashrich dads and of course sugar dating.
Overall, it is great playground if you are willing to spend & invest time with the above categories.
For casual hookups and one night stands, I still prefer a crowded bar / club face2 face chat up and try your luck by aiming no one and more importantly, take it easy on failed nights.
Voodoo Jones
09-04-25, 15:35
Have noticed the white girls in my area want more money and are harder to get into my stable, than the mixed or black girls. I am white. I now have 3 black girls I can do, as I please, and only 1 white girl. This is raw data. I am not sure what it means. Maybe the black girls are more attracted to white guys?Black women have the hardest time on dating apps or websites among women. There's studies and data out there that backs this up, so they are less flaky and more receptive to arrangements. White women, especially American, have been told by the western media that they're the gold standard and have inflated egos that are always looking for the next best thing, so they ignore great opportunities in front of them then will blame men when their strategy ultimately fails.
Elvis 2008
09-04-25, 16:08
I think this is pretty much spot on. A lot of the ones here going on and on about how great Seeking is regularly leave out these important findings and realities. If you're looking for cute, "girl next door", American white girls that's going to be much, much, much harder to find on Seeking with any kind of steady success.Yeah, the hot women are making money on line. The fact that so few women make money on only fans made me question the online game, but what is happening is women doing podcasts, getting sponsors, getting superchat donations, and then promoting some kind of special group or online service. And yes, the hot white women are most in demand and are now making bank.
The ultimate was Sadia Khan. She is a Pakistani women who came off as white, has high cheekbones, speaks in a British accent, and says IMO things that are no more profound than could be found at a hair salon. Her thing was how to get a "high value" woman like me and charged men $8000 an hour to hear her spiel about acting like a "high value" man. Well, she has been busted. She is just some side piece to a married guy and in private talks as trashy as a Brooklyn maid.
I talked with an old SB who became the hottest escort in town, and she had a side gig helping women get started in the biz. There was this hot black girl. The old SB admitted she had the best body of her group but there just was not as much demand for her as other women because of her skin color.
When black women nag or tell men what to do, I do not know why, but it is viscerally more annoying. The victim act that you see white women do on social media so often just does not work with them.
And then the other thing is the college con is going on. Women are in huge debt from college getting worthless degrees. 2/3 of student debt is owned now by women, and the race that makes up percentage wise the most debt is black women. So yeah, because of these head winds, there are more black women in the game, and the quality of said women IMO is higher. Body wise and sexually speaking, the black women were some of my best and most appreciative SBs.
I think this is pretty much spot on. A lot of the ones here going on and on about how great Seeking is regularly leave out these important findings and realities. If you're looking for cute, "girl next door", American white girls that's going to be much, much, much harder to find on Seeking with any kind of steady success.Actually, I could do another 26-year-old white woman I met on SDM website, but she is persnickety, expects me to fit her schedule of only Mondays, had saggy tits due to weight loss, flabby ass, way more tattoos than meaningful, body piercings in her nose, etc.
Of the 3 black girls I have in my stable, one is mixed, native American Indian and black, with kinky hair. 26-year-old but has 5 kids! Yes, count them, 5. And gets no child support but spent $70 she did not have to get her nails done. I fucked her last week, but she refused my request for her to shower when she was sticky, and I had to fuck her during her first day of period, and blood on Mr. Happy made me not a happy wiener. She may be kicked to the road.
The white girls in general are more fussy, overpriced, or overweight much more than their photos show. They typically ask for $500+ for an affection session. The darker women are cheaper, though not much. 200 to 400 a session.
I also notice I get texted by these girls on the first of each month, or soon thereafter, when their rent is due. When they are annoying, I block their number and leave them alone until I get horny.
VanessasClient
09-04-25, 16:52
Nah, that is not what I am talking about. It is not that I hate women or see them as competition. It is the difference between what women say, their bullshit, and reality, and I have not seen a woman tell men / the world the truth.There's a distinct difference between competition and conflict. A position opens up at a cyber security firm, and the job is posted on Indeed. In a single day, the company receives 500 applications. All those people who sent in resumes want that role, but only ONE of them will get it. All 500 of them are in competition with each other. They are fighting over the same thing. The same goal, all trying to upstage each other. In male to male competition, we try to out do each for female tail. We try to wear the nicer suit and more expensive watch than the guy a few seats down at the bar, or try to smooth talk better than the next guy online who is talking to the same girl. That's competition; trying to one up someone else on a similar plane, for the same objective.
Conflict is overt hostility. There's a conflict going on right now between Israel and Palestine. In the USA, people of various kinds, often get on platforms like Tiktok and Youtube, and take to bashing the other gender, over their real, or sometimes perceived "grievances. " They aren't pushing for the same goal, trying to run faster than their neighbor.
The real problem in the USA, is that most women, particularly ones of the age that I would want to have sex with, which is at least 18, but under 40, have turned the dating market into a capitalist scenario. Capitalism might have some advantages in an economic system, but for the dating market, it's horrific conundrum beyond any measure, but most especially for men. Women, delusional or not, know what they want, but they are struggling to get it. Increasingly more so during the past decade, if you were to compare 2025 to say, maybe even 2010. So they are starting to become unhappier with this system they built, that they thought would bring them "good" quality men. Or whatever goddamn reason they organized and built this capitalist dating market. Or, at least decided to allow themselves to be influenced into believing this idea would be good for the romantic aspect of their lives.
As for me getting involved with foreign women. Now that I know the difference, I wouldn't have it any other way. I like practicing new languages, and learning about other cultures. It brings a level of intrigue to the date that you would not get with dating a woman native to your own country.
Granted that older American women tend to be a more level headed, they are too unsightly to fuck.
I would have this to say to all of the "little rats" that we call the typical American women: You might spend your entire life searching for perfection, only to discover just prior to death that you never found it. I think it's a little too late to turn back if you are 80 years old and laying in a hospital bed, waiting for fade to black. That's because you were searching for the wrong thing the whole time. *sticks tongue out in utter disrespect*.
AmericanPi
09-05-25, 16:49
When black women nag or tell men what to do, I do not know why, but it is viscerally more annoying. The victim act that you see white women do on social media so often just does not work with them..I have not bagged a lot of black women. Only a few. But I have to say my experience was different. Social media is filled with black fatigue videos, mostly of black women 30-50 acting like Karens on steroids.
But on seeking? All of the black chicks I've met have been sweet to the point of submissive. Part of me thinks it's almost a pendulum swing in the opposite direction. Like they had fewer boundaries and just wanted to please and make the date worth it from my end.
When you are travelling abroad, SA is a good tool to get connected with semi-pros and pros.
However, a tool is only as good as its users, its consumers!
Never expect you will find that 'gem' of a babe from SA to feel the cosmic vibration when you go inside her.
You are simply wasting your time.
For those who are good in organizing your own time, the maximum you may get is a free dinner date but that too very rarely from pros WGs.
Pro-WGs knows their time is better earned at those men who throw cash for meat than meet for a meal to build chemistry!
Everything has a hidden price-tag attached by default when you get a response in SA.
The smarter you are, you will sense them quicker and will learn to avoid!
Steve 9696
09-06-25, 01:49
I have not bagged a lot of black women. Only a few. But I have to say my experience was different. Social media is filled with black fatigue videos, mostly of black women 30-50 acting like Karens on steroids.
But on seeking? All of the black chicks I've met have been sweet to the point of submissive. Part of me thinks it's almost a pendulum swing in the opposite direction. Like they had fewer boundaries and just wanted to please and make the date worth it from my end.Same here. I've seen quite a few black girls on seeking. And they have been sweet and submissive and head game has been on point without exception! I do think there is something to what you say. Once you weed out the pros a lot of these girls have daddy issues and therefore want to please. Yes maam. Works for me.
Elvis 2008
09-06-25, 17:28
IBut on seeking? All of the black chicks I've met have been sweet to the point of submissive. Part of me thinks it's almost a pendulum swing in the opposite direction. Like they had fewer boundaries and just wanted to please and make the date worth it from my end.So have I.
But I have to say my experience was different. Social media is filled with black fatigue videos, mostly of black women 30-50 acting like Karens on steroids.Sure, but the black women (with some exceptions I am sure) unlike the white ones are not making bank on social media, and that is why IMO there are more quality black women on seeking than white ones. That is just my opinion and what I have noticed.
As for why that is, check out this clip of former porn star Jenna Presley. This is the exact kind of woman you might have seen on seeking 10 or 15 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSdxa5gm5qQ
Now Pearl intellectually speaking blows this chick out of the water. What shocks me is how much Pressley takes it and only rarely goes into Karen mode. Of course, I know how full of shit Pressley is but part of me emotionally and irrationally is rooting for her. I do not know if it is the high cheek bones, the act of regret, or the soothing voice but she has literally gone from selling porn to selling Jesus and been successful at it.
Could a black woman pull off this con? Maybe, but I have not seen it.
Time=money.
Mongering=money.
So Mongering=Time!
In the context of Seeking, every other girl on it wants to make quick bucks by discussing 'terms'.
Very few are prepared to invest time, looking for just frustrated men out there willing to throw cash for meat.
Am happy a happy go lucky person willing to splurge on the right girl, provided there is a mutual connection after the first meet.
Am now convinced It is seldom luck finding such rare gems looking for genuine connection and a lust formation, 'forgetting' the money element for at least one meeting.
That is the sole reason I quit Seeking.
Blame is on me for not having enough time to scroll thru umpteen profies showing knickers and bra!!
I'm completely new to this but how do you guys find so much time to be away from your wives to pursue other interests? Even as much as spend time overseas by yourselves and monger?
AmericanPi
09-10-25, 14:45
Am now convinced It is seldom luck finding such rare gems looking for genuine connection and a lust formation, 'forgetting' the money element for at least one meeting.
That is the sole reason I quit Seeking.With respect, you're off base on this one. Seeking is paying substantially younger girls, who you would never have access to in the real world, to sleep with you on the first date and then continue to do so if all goes well.
You might find genuine connection and the girl forgetting the money element (as you said) but if you're looking for that, you're going to be sorely disappointed time and again and this isn't for you.
I know men and women aren't the same but imagine being a 22 year old man and a 55 year old woman wants you to take her to bed, but is disappointed if you're not really into it. It's not really fair to expect a girl to not only sugar with you, but she must also be so into you that you get a genuine connections and she forgets the money element. In what world? It's possible. It even happens at times, depending on you and your style. But to expect it of these girls is silly.
I know men and women aren't the same but imagine being a 22 year old man and a 55 year old woman wants you to take her to bed, but is disappointed if you're not really into it. It's not really fair to expect a girl to not only sugar with you, but she must also be so into you that you get a genuine connections and she forgets the money element. In what world? It's possible. It even happens at times, depending on you and your style. But to expect it of these girls is silly.I guess the point I was trying to make was not understood.
Not all connections man or women make are aimed for 'bed'.
I personally would like to splurge on a woman, but I prefer that woman willing to invest her time for a session (for E. G a dinner / cafe meet at my own expense) to see if there is commitment to sustain long term mutual connection leading to attraction, which may or may not lead to bed. Mutual consent & attraction is humane, outside of money, religion or morals. Why would otherwise anyone pay $110 for subs?
My point was, such profiles meeting my requirements were rare, and that makes Seeking an online platform for pros & wannabe / semi pros a platform to make quick bucks by selling their time. Hence I quit.
Seeking themselves appears to have understood this online conundrum, hence requiring men to be not just premium members but diamond members to get response, what an irony in the premium business model itself.
My advice to anyone seeking a genuine no-strings attached connection, ditch online dating and hit a club or exhibition venue of your interest.
Elvis 2008
09-12-25, 18:18
I guess the point I was trying to make was not understood.
Not all connections man or women make are aimed for 'bed'.
My point was, such profiles meeting my requirements were rare, and that makes Seeking an online platform for pros & wannabe / semi pros a platform to make quick bucks by selling their time. Hence I quit.
Seeking themselves appears to have understood this online conundrum, hence requiring men to be not just premium members but diamond members to get response, what an irony in the premium business model itself.
My advice to anyone seeking a genuine no-strings attached connection, ditch online dating and hit a club or exhibition venue of your interest.That depends on when and where. Hhahn. Seeking follows the basic pattern of any new forum: innovators, imitators, and idiots. In 2019, on seeking, the USA was the land of idiots. The quality was way down, and seeking was a waste of time. Mexico was the land of imitators then, and Colombia was the land of innovators as many of the women I had seen were on their first dates. I got off in 2021, and I can say that I think Colombia was slowly moving into the land of imitators by then.
So I do not mind someone saying seeking was worthless for you. It was for me in the USA in 2019 but I would be careful of writing it off totally.
Quality women flock in at times of economic distress. Seeking was great in the Great Recession and it was golden in Latin countries during the pandemic. Instead of writing it off totally, I would just keep your powder dry.
600 SGD is over 460 USD at the current exchange rate. For me, no fucking way man, I can stay home in the USA get similar prices without flying half way across the world. But, to each his own.Depending on where you live in the US, cost of living in Singapore is 1. 5-5 x.
In addition, there is no chance of being busted.
And, no one goes traveling to singapore to meet girls. You go there for work. You meet girls for fun.
VanessasClient
09-13-25, 03:24
Slightly off topic, but one of the highest profile influencer gurus has met her fate. Touting herself as a psychologist and relationship coach, she was selling dating advice to men for the equivalent of $8,000 USD. Justice does drop by often on earth, but occasionally it does. I wonder how many sex workers the guys who paid for her counseling could have hired with the money they spent.
https://youtu.be/KumoXs8IZRI?feature=shared
That depends on when and where. Hhahn. Seeking follows the basic pattern of any new forum: innovators, imitators, and idiots. In 2019, on seeking, the USA was the land of idiots. The quality was way down, and seeking was a waste of time. Mexico was the land of imitators then, and Colombia was the land of innovators as many of the women I had seen were on their first dates. I got off in 2021, and I can say that I think Colombia was slowly moving into the land of imitators by then.
So I do not mind someone saying seeking was worthless for you. It was for me in the USA in 2019 but I would be careful of writing it off totally.
Quality women flock in at times of economic distress. Seeking was great in the Great Recession and it was golden in Latin countries during the pandemic. Instead of writing it off totally, I would just keep your powder dry.Agree 100% with this. I tried Seeking in the USA 2013-2014 and had a few great dates with amazing girls. None of them progressed as I thought they wanted too much and I travelled a lot, so couldn't rectify the monthly allowance. However, I did try Seeking at that time ex-US in Colombia and Panama for P4 P dates, and OMG. Not so many girls then, but majority total smoke shows and they desperately wanted a man. It was hard for me to get the condom on before they initiated and I did bareback a few times with morning sex.
.......The real problem in the USA, is that most women, .... have turned the dating market into a capitalist scenario. Capitalism might have some advantages in an economic system, but for the dating market, it's horrific conundrum beyond any measure, but most especially for men. Women, delusional or not, know what they want, but they are struggling to get it.
...... I would have this to say to all of the "little rats" that we call the typical American women: You might spend your entire life searching for perfection, only to discover just prior to death that you never found it. I think it's a little too late to turn back if you are 80 years old and laying in a hospital bed, waiting for fade to black. That's because you were searching for the wrong thing the whole time. *sticks tongue out in utter disrespect*.Preach brother. I see this with many of my female friends. I also sense it with the younger American women that I date for a bit, but who fall off. Obviously they're looking for 'perfection,' and while I check many boxes, I am still north of 40 and they want a younger guy who still has the money, etc.
AmericanPi
09-13-25, 14:27
Guys, they are no longer making OneVanillas. Dammit. I've tried a few other cards. The blackhawk with the big visa in front. The green dot. The secure spend. None of them works.
Help a guy out here. For a few reasons I can't use my regular credit card. I know this has been discussed before but when I read past posts I don't see anything definitive.
Could someone suggest prepaid cards that work for you? I'm a paying member here and you can DM me if you wish.
VanessasClient
09-14-25, 05:36
Preach brother. I see this with many of my female friends. I also sense it with the younger American women that I date for a bit, but who fall off. Obviously they're looking for 'perfection,' and while I check many boxes, I am still north of 40 and they want a younger guy who still has the money, etc.I mean think about it for a second, if you were using the same logic they were, you literally would stop at nothing. Last year's world population was estimated to be at 8. 1 billion. Of that total, the estimated male percentage was 50.3% For the purpose of this forum post, let's just say that women have 4,074,300,000 men to choose from.
Well, going by their mindset, they would literally be looking for the single apex of that total number. What kind of woman, or what can of person, for that matter, would not see the final result? Again, for the purpose of this post, let's just pick a relatable example.
Let's say that you choose Elon Musk, for a combination of his fortune, fame, intelligence, and whatever the fuck else led you to believe that was the absolute best choice of over 4 billion men. I don't need to bet if that woman was thinking whether such relationship would last a life time, at the beginning when she hypothetically starts first dating Mr Musk. And the reason I don't need to bet on that, is because I already know the answer.
If Elon is ever found guilty of serious impropriety, and Tesla and all of his other companies go bankrupt, then all the sudden he slides down from being one of the richest men in the word, to maybe now the 80th richest man. Well shit, to one of the women who thinks like this, number 80 is not good enough. Now I'm stuck with a man who has fame, business skills, political connections, and all the rest of the things she thinks will make her "happy", but is no longer in the top 10 of richest men in the world. So what does she do? She divorces musk and moves on to Jeff Bezos instead. Then, when sooner or later, some shit happens with Bezos to make him "imperfect", she dumps him and attempts to move on to Mr Perfect number 3.
What human with an IQ higher than single figures wouldn't see that this vicious cycle is not sustainable? It doesn't even matter if she keeps Elon for life, if he somehow managed to remain "perfect" until death, even though all men experience some degree of decline with age. Some men head down hill more rapidly in their later years than others, but that's not the point. Even if your man somehow managed to remain perfect forever, how the fuck are you going to snag 1 out of over 4 billion, when you've got another 100 million idiot women competing for the same damn perfect man? You wanted monogamy, right? So you don't have to share that man with another woman. So you're going to spend all of your years from the time you are 18, until who knows when, hoping to grab this guy, and prevent him from ever leaving? Great strategy.
And even if a woman managed to pull it off, she'd better be prepared to have her man dump his load in her mouth and pussy multiple times a day, every single day. Because we've already seen what happens if she doesn't. Then, she gets to be on the receiving end of a Bill Clinton, Tiger Woods, or David Letterman. All of those guys had some of the brightest limelight in their entire industries, and they were willing to risk it all, simply because their woman couldn't keep them satisfied. Plus, "perfect" men have so many women to choose from, that they can walk away from their current partner, and have a massive line of other women standing at their door, waiting for them.
Any logical and rational woman reading this post would realize that chasing perfection is highly counter productive. For no other reason than the fact that you will never be satisfied; nor is it a healthy line of thinking to begin with. I realize this sub forum is mainly meant to be about Seeking, and not dating philosophy. However; I'm willing to bet, that significant number of guys would not resort to using Seeking, were the dating market, most especially in the USA, not a teeming pile of shit!
And come to find out, there's one particular individual who seems to have persuaded a large percentage of women to adopt the "dating capitalist" mindset. A cum guzzler who uses the stage name of Wizard Liz. She attempts to masquerade around as a "former" sugar baby, but I think everyone on ISG knows the truth. She has over 8 million subs on Youtube. Hell, not even Huberman has over 8 million! And here we have an example of people, in this case women, listening to a person, automatically accepting her narrative as being either factual, or well grounded, and basing their life decisions on such narrative. Rather than taking the time to actually think for themselves, and determine on their own if such narrative is worthwhile. They have just another person form their opinions on their behalf. Brilliant!
Oh dear, things seem to have gone awry.
AmericanPi
09-15-25, 20:21
Because you're north of 40, you probably seen this I because you're north of 40, you probably seen this dynamic also, but for the benefit of the other readers.
A lot of my female friends were this way in their 20's and 30's. Not really looking for protection. That's going too far. But they were unrealistic. A girl who was a 5 or 6 would be holding out for someone out of her league. Cue the "men can't handle a strong woman" nonsense.
But now many of my female friends are their 40's or 50's. It's a whole new ballgame. They are downright desperate. Dejected. It's pretty awful to see. One friend is clinging to her "men intimidated by women with advanced degrees" nonsense but she and I know she's just rationalizing why she hasn't been on a proper date in years.
Meanwhile my 50 year old divorced guy friend said if you have a while paying career, aren't fat, and can hold a conversation without being awkward, you're cleaning up on the dating market. That's how rare that is.
I mean think about it for a second, if you were using the same logic they were, you literally would stop at nothing. Last year's world population was estimated to be at 8. 1 billion. Of that total, the estimated male percentage was 50.3% For the purpose of this forum post, let's just say that women have 4,074,300,000 men to choose from.
Well, going by their mindset, they would literally be looking for the single apex of that total number. What kind of woman, or what can of person, for that matter, would not see the final result? Again, for the purpose of this post, let's just pick a relatable example..
Any logical and rational woman reading this post would realize that chasing perfection is highly counter productive. For no other reason than the fact that you will never be satisfied; nor is it a healthy line of thinking to begin with. I realize this sub forum is mainly meant to be about Seeking, and not dating philosophy. However; I'm willing to bet, that significant number of guys would not resort to using Seeking, were the dating market, most especially in the USA, not a teeming pile of shit!Just my few cents to the above point on rationality.
There is no rationality in mongering. Most men go with gut instincts!
That is why you see some men throwing $50 bills at a woman on a stripclub pole bar, while some thinks she is only worth a buck, not fuck.
Needless to say this. If she is a bird out from her nest, who'd she be looking to sleep with that night?
Toastmonger69
09-18-25, 08:21
I always thought women would wise up by their mid 30's but I guess not. Here in Los Angeles, they are older but still think they can have the mentality and compete with the 20 yearolds the level of Delulu is amazing.
Because you're north of 40, you probably seen this I because you're north of 40, you probably seen this dynamic also, but for the benefit of the other readers.
A lot of my female friends were this way in their 20's and 30's. Not really looking for protection. That's going too far. But they were unrealistic. A girl who was a 5 or 6 would be holding out for someone out of her league. Cue the "men can't handle a strong woman" nonsense.
But now many of my female friends are their 40's or 50's. It's a whole new ballgame. They are downright desperate. Dejected. It's pretty awful to see. One friend is clinging to her "men intimidated by women with advanced degrees" nonsense but she and I know she's just rationalizing why she hasn't been on a proper date in years.
Meanwhile my 50 year old divorced guy friend said if you have a while paying career, aren't fat, and can hold a conversation without being awkward, you're cleaning up on the dating market. That's how rare that is.
Toastmonger69
09-18-25, 08:31
Comes down to the BIN on the card. You can try the fee free BHN cards from staples or office depot when they have a sale. You can also try thegfitcardshop dot com. Grocery stores and drug stores may have different BINS. Try the mastercards.
Guys, they are no longer making OneVanillas. Dammit. I've tried a few other cards. The blackhawk with the big visa in front. The green dot. The secure spend. None of them works.
Help a guy out here. For a few reasons I can't use my regular credit card. I know this has been discussed before but when I read past posts I don't see anything definitive.
Could someone suggest prepaid cards that work for you? I'm a paying member here and you can DM me if you wish.
Intelligencium
09-18-25, 19:24
Hi folks,
I am heading over the New Orleans / NOLA over the weekend. Any experience mongering in New Orleans? SA seems to have a decent supply, so I started chatting with a few. I am curious if anyone has any experience there and can also share the going rate. Also any other mongering tips? Strip clubs? Massage parlors?
Regardless I will share my experience once back!
I always thought women would wise up by their mid 30's but I guess not. Here in Los Angeles, they are older but still think they can have the mentality and compete with the 20 yearolds the level of Delulu is amazing.I remember how hard it was to date when I was younger and then 30 hit and it was so much easier. But during the difficult times I studied the nature of women and realized getting divorced is just too high of a risk. Plus I like new pussy and hot pussy at that. I'm one of many who are eligible but have decided to go in another direction and never get married. By the time those women realize their mistakes its too late.
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