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I always thought women would wise up by their mid 30's but I guess not. Here in Los Angeles, they are older but still think they can have the mentality and compete with the 20 yearolds the level of Delulu is amazing.And even when they grudgingly admit that they can't compete, even if privately or among friends, it's never anything about them as women, but rather about faults in men who should be ashamed for desiring younger women. Western society does the best job of trying to make men feel guilty about this.
Elvis 2008
09-20-25, 02:32
Any logical and rational woman reading this post would realize that chasing perfection is highly counter productive. For no other reason than the fact that you will never be satisfied; nor is it a healthy line of thinking to begin with. I realize this sub forum is mainly meant to be about Seeking, and not dating philosophy. However; I'm willing to bet, that significant number of guys would not resort to using Seeking, were the dating market, most especially in the USA, not a teeming pile of shit!A female coworker was giving me a ride to the airport and we stopped off to get something to eat.
Anyway, I tell this woman that I am dating multiple women and doubt I will ever see one woman again, and she said, "Oh, I could not go out with a guy who dates other women. " I did a double take. WTF? You thought I was interested in you? It cracked me up because women who size me up do not have any idea of my standards. My own mother asked me, "Why do you only see gorgeous women?" and my response was because I can.
And this is what I thought to myself "normal" dating is and was. You tell the woman what she wants to hear not the truth, and the default settings are monogamy, protecting the woman no matter how dumb she may be, and providing for her regardless of how she behaves.
I was going to see a SB of mine later that night. Her GFs compared her to a super model, and I have to pretend that I did not hear this woman or lie and act that I was so disappointed that she was not interested in me? I wanted to get on my phone and show the pic of my SB and say, "This is the hot 25-year-old who I am fucking. You are overweight and 55. How can you compete with that?
This is the deal with "regular dating" and what is "normal" and "accepted". What guy is happy with those rules? And guys brag about winning under these rules. The only smart way is to not play that game but play your own: No honey. No money, but still, we enjoy each other's company. I will fuck who I want and you can do likewise. Either one of us can leave at any time and no hurt feelings when it ends. For the most part, I kept my game under wraps for a while but eventually I let people in and they saw what I was doing.
Most people were happy when I was happy, but the two women most close to me honestly including my widowed mother were threatened. I think they liked to think the women who were P4P were these meth addicts, but the reality is they were the mother of two, a personal trainer, a teacher. The women were not strange. They were their neighbors.
And the other part was these women held out they were special but in reality, I think they were afraid of having to compete with other women who offer up sex and companionship more easily. They might be left behind. They do not like the reality that sex and companionship could be obtained so cheaply. Haven't they been told that they deserve half a man's assets because they are so special? LOL.
On this forum, there was guy in the Medellin section calling SBs hookers, and I laughed. There was a private detective on the youtube channel of Pearl Davis. He estimated that 50% of all women between the ages of 18 to 25 did some kind of sex work, and I think that very few of the remaining 50% are hotties that were morally opposed. Thing is if you add in the frigid, the lesbians, the ugly, the ones who would be terrible at it, and my guess is that you would see very few women morally opposed to selling their bodies for sex.
And the guys who have not used seeking are like, "All seeking women are hookers. " as if the typical SB was the equivalent of the drug addict on the streets selling themselves for one more hit.
Yes, one in three women have had an abortion. One in four women have had an STD. Women have 80% of the world's debt. 90% of women were virgins when married a century ago. Now 5% are. At higher education levels, 90% of the supposedly smartest and most successful women are the ones filing for divorce and it is not because of abuse but because they think there is better and from what I have seen, most of the women regret divorcing later.
What cracks me up is that I have followed the women I have seen on social media and so many of them are married now. They are taking photos and proudly showing off their new lives, and I am just shaking my head. Do the guys get what they are marrying? Do the guys get that their women may be carrying on with a SD even after marriage? When the men talk of women who are not prostitutes, I want to ask them where does that place exist? Where is this valley of young stunningly attractive, hardworking, selfless, morally centered chaste virgins who are of sound judgment and add value to the lives of men?
And the answer to that question is they only exist in the minds of men. Men are that delusional too and to be honest, VC, until men get real themselves about women, the dating market is still going to suck.
This is the deal with "regular dating" and what is "normal" and "accepted". What guy is happy with those rules? And guys brag about winning under these rules. The only smart way is to not play that game but play your own.And that's why I'm gladly by my own damn self.
Most men are just trapped in the matrix. If you want children then I understand being married but men who don't want kids but want to get married to have sex make no sense. But that's just life, when I was younger I was with the herd like everyone else trying to find love and get married. Now I'm out of the matrix, I love my peace and quiet. I couldn't imagine being dragged to do things I don't want to do just to make the wife happy.
Intelligencium
09-22-25, 20:10
Hi folks,
I am heading over the New Orleans / NOLA over the weekend. Any experience mongering in New Orleans? SA seems to have a decent supply, so I started chatting with a few. I am curious if anyone has any experience there and can also share the going rate. Also any other mongering tips? Strip clubs? Massage parlors?
Regardless I will share my experience once back!Coming back to report as promised!
Short version: NOLA is not bad for sugaring. I saw quite a few options on seeking, messaged about 30, got reply from around 10, moved on to text (their preferred way, unlike in Europe where they prefer Whatsapp or Telegram) with 5. PPM quotes ranged from 200-700. Met 2 girls, 1 catfished me but had an great time with the other girl.
Long version:
I was going to be in New Orleans Friday evening to Sunday evening, so started exploring options on seeking and messaging girls. One 18 yo old quoted 200, but I was suspicious. She looked quite older than 18. She then asked for $50 for some pictures and I dumped here right there and then. Setup a time with another girl (black, 25 y) for Friday 6 pm. She looked like an 8 from her pictures and quoted 350. But there were couple of yellow / red flags that I should have paid attention to. Once I reached hotel, I asked her to do a video call before coming in.
First, in the afternoon she asked if I can send her 50 bucks ("so that I can go out for lunch") and in exchange she will send me pics and I can pay her 300 only when we finally meet. I refused. She was ok to still meet. Second, she didn't want to do video chat on seeking app, and instead wanted to use snapchat. I insisted on seeking app (since I don't have snap), but somehow due to "technical difficulties" we couldn't connect on seeking. So finally I installed snap and had a quick call. She looked the same as her pics, but later I realized she must have used some filter to make her look thinner (surprise surprise: she was fat in person). Third, she insisted on me to call an Uber for her ("because I don't have any money" . Like wtf, you can't put it on your credit card? I wasn't comfortable using my app for her, so we finally agreed that she can call a cab and I can pay for it when she comes.
When she finally came, the cab bill was much higher than expected uber bill (but I paid), and she looked different than her pics. I should have gone with my gut feeling and told her to leave right then (after paying her for return trip). But I recently read on the forum how you guys liked black girls, so I thought I will try. And it was my first evening in the city and I didn't want to ruin my mood.
Anyways, we went up the room since she wasn't interested in drinking. After a bit of chit chat she took some clothes off and I was already not feeling it. She wasn't obese, but quite fat for my taste. Another red flag: she asked where's the 350. In my opinion, most girls who ask that are usually very transactional. I still gave it a chance thinking maybe she will be good in bed and try to please me. But nah. Her mouth smelled of cigarette, and her huge boobs were sweaty. Her first action when I came close was trying to pull on my dick to make it hard. No foreplay. I tried to tell her that I prefer that you act like my girlfriend, slow down, let's kiss a bit etc, but she was clearly a transactional kind of person. She wanted to get my dick hard, put a condom on it ASAP and get it over with. So, we did that. And that was terrible. Haha. I thought for a second to not give her the full 350, but I was in no mood to fight. Had her go and blocker her number.
After shower I pinged a few more girls on seeking asking if they are free tonight. One hottie (white, 29 y) replied and we quickly moved to text. She asked me for a quote. I said 400, given that she was hotter than the 350 girl and 400 still felt cheap by US standards. From pics she was an 8. This one was quick to set some boundaries: no overnight stays, condom always on, send me an uber etc. I was impressed. I told her I cannot send an uber, but I am happy to pay for it. We did a video chat and there was one yellow flag: she kept on showing only part of her face. When I complained about that to her that over text, she sent a video with the full face + body.
Anyways, we agreed to meet at the lobby bar to have some drinks and go from there. She came in a slightly slutty dress, which was not quite right for the hotel lobby bar, but it was a huge step up from the other girl who didn't want to drink and came in jeans+hoodie+hat. Anyways, this one looked the same as her pics (yay! But I realized why she never opened her mouth in her pics or the video chat -- because she had crooked front teeth. Man, these girls and their insecurities. I didn't care about that at all, so we continued. After a few drinks and during chit-chat somehow the topic of strip clubs came up. I asked if she wanted to go, she was eager, so we did. Spent the next 2-3 hours in between two strip clubs (barely legal and hustlers) on bourbon street. We had a lot of fun, sitting at the chairs by the stage and throwing (my) singles at the ladies. She wanted to get a lap dance, but couldn't find anyone she really liked, so we finally came back to my room.
Once in the room, she went to the restroom and came out naked. A solid 8. Lovely smooth creamy white skin and clean shaven. I took my clothes off too, and then we started making out on the bed. Lots of deep french kissing that really turned me on. She then went down on me, and started giving a sloppy blow job. After a while, I asked to do a 69. And during 69, she also went down on my balls and everything in there. Quite a feeling. I hadn't had a 69 in quite a while and she was so into it that it frankly made the whole trip worth it (the things we do to chase a feeling.). After a while, I asked her to "sit on me". I had heard that it is something to try. I didn't quite get it. It felt like giving her an oral but in a different orientation? Or maybe she was not sitting correctly? Anyways, we went back to 69 after a while and then she wanted me to put on the condom and fuck her. We first did a doggie for a while and I finally finished in missionary. We kissed a little after cleanup, talked a bit while laying on the bed, made plans for Saturday (next day) and she finally left.
Next day we both woke up quite late, I did some sightseeing in the afternoon and made plans to meet her in the night. She wanted to go for dinner today, which is not something I like. I find that fucking after eating is never too pleasant. So I planned to have dinner around 9 pm, then hit some local music / jazz clubs to drink / enjoy for a couple hours before coming to the room. Since I had some free time before that, I started talking to another girl. She was a 7/8 in pics and quoted 350. But we couldn't quite match our schedule so it didn't happen. Talked to another hottie. A single mom, maybe a 8 or a 9. But she quoted 700 and was also not very responsive on text (send one word text like, yes or okay). So I bailed on her too.
At 9 pm, I met the girl from the night before. We enjoyed the dinner, but the jazz / music club scene didn't look too appealing. It was Saturday night and frenchman street was packed and a bit wild for my taste. We decided to go to a strip club again. Went to penthouse this time, which I heard was more upscale and had better looking ladies. Turned out to be true. This time we sat back away from the stage. Few drinks later, finally found a girl she liked and got her a lapdance. It was an interesting experience seeing a hottie ogle another hottie trying hard not to touch her. Anyways, back into my room, this time the sex was still fun, but it didn't compare well with last night. There was a lot of interest and intent, but we were both a bit less drunk and a bit more stuffed (dinner was a mistake! Some light massage, then oral and then fuck. A bit more talking and bye.
It was only 1 am, and I didn't feel like I was fully done, so decided to go out. Went to a strip club called Visions, which is away from tourist places, had a terrible time there. I heard that out of menu options are possible there, but the girls were quite ugly so I bailed after 30 minutes. Came back to penthouse, had a few fun lapdances and ended with a 30 min with a 9. No extras but it was quite hot as we made out a lot and she made sure to keep my dick hard the whole time. Came back to the hotel room at 6 am and couldn't do much on Sunday as I woke up quite late and didn't really have the hotel room for too long after waking up.
Overall, it was a fun trip. I will keep in touch with the girl I met twice, and will try to visit again so that I can explore other options. Found the asking rates surprisingly cheap for a US city. Also learned some lessons on how to spot yellow / red flags.
Steve 9696
09-23-25, 00:29
Outstanding report Intelli. And yes you win some and lose some. Not 50% we hope but glad you bagged a good one. Always makes the other BS fade to noise. And yes me and my buds have been able to find 300-400 type girls ina few different places. Only Las Vegas and LA seem to have serious golden pussy syndrome.
As has been discussed slim white girls seem to command a premium. So looks like you got a bit lucky there. Great job.
Elvis 2008
09-23-25, 00:53
Most men are just trapped in the matrix. If you want children then I understand being married but men who don't want kids but want to get married to have sex make no sense. But that's just life, when I was younger I was with the herd like everyone else trying to find love and get married. Now I'm out of the matrix, I love my peace and quiet. I couldn't imagine being dragged to do things I don't want to do just to make the wife happy.What is so sad is your post is correct based on the time we are in now and where we are. The reason you might marry a woman is if she adds value to your life. You are basically saying that few if any women do just that and with very rare exceptions, I totally agree.
What today's women do not get is men should prefer hookers who make them feel good even if for a short period of time over parasites who suck their life and money out of them without possibly even bringing in sex. IOW, fucking a man is looked down in female circles as being a hooker. Fucking a man over and not fucking him is admired. The slang term for men who do not spend to give a woman a luxury lifestyle is dusty.
And things are so fucked up women are actually bragging about being parasites. Look at the title of this book: I Bring Nothing to The Table: a Level Up Concept.
And here is the author so impressed with herself being a parasite and reading from her own book: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vyUcTrZ8bHU
And I think this chick is fat!
But if you think that is bad and that woman has nearly a million followers, here is one with 8 million. Go to the 2:28 mark on this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuapP1Q8qJM
What is so amazing is this woman plays the victim and the snob. I am not at a table; I am on the ground". And then she says that ony dates guys who are at the table and have plenty to eat.
And then, "I just need to bring my presence, my personality, and my beauty. " Yeah, you forgot your snatch honey. That is what men only care about with a woman like you.
And there was this beaut: "No man who is willing to provide will ever ask what you bring to the table". Yeah when we are dealing with escorts, we do not ask what they bring to the table, and she is behaving like one, well, actually worse than one.
Is it any wonder guys are happier with escorts and SBs? Hell, at least from a guy's perspective, SBs and escorts are honest.
Hooker = gives pussy for rent (kissing is optional / discretion / added cost).
Dating = kissing is must, getting a pussy is chancing / optional.
The above is binary equation with a hidden cash variable, of course, all from a man's perspective!
What is so sad is your post is correct based on the time we are in now and where we are. The reason you might marry a woman is if she adds value to your life. You are basically saying that few if any women do just that and with very rare exceptions, I totally agree.
What today's women do not get is men should prefer hookers who make them feel good even if for a short period of time over parasites who suck their life and money out of them without possibly even bringing in sex. IOW, fucking a man is looked down in female circles as being a hooker. Fucking a man over and not fucking him is admired. The slang term for men who do not spend to give a woman a luxury lifestyle is dusty.
And things are so fucked up women are actually bragging about being parasites. Look at the title of this book: I Bring Nothing to The Table: a Level Up Concept..
The reason you might marry a woman is if she adds value to your life. You are basically saying that few if any women do just that and with very rare exceptions, I totally agree.It always seems that when it comes to discussions of the pussy, it's easy to find common ground. To me, most women would not / do not add value, but instead are a drag focused one-sidedly on you the man bringing value to their lives, while believing it to be their goal to make yours miserable (I have literally heard multiple American women say this, allegedly jokingly, about making a guy's life miserable). And, from the man's perspective, for this what pray tell? Love? Then a costly divorce? That's what societal indoctrination tells us (minus talk of the cost of divorce of course). As a lifelong contrarian, to that I say GTFOH!
Also another reason why these short term flings are the best is you get your girl at her best with makeup dolled up to the max. They are on their best behavior to please you.
One of the biggest scams men have to endure is the disappointment when she takes off her fake painted face. This is something women will never have to deal with as men don't look like a completely different person after washing their face. Ultimately its not fair since women need to compete against fake faces and then men just get used to that look as standard hurting everyone in the end.
WaltoDerri
09-24-25, 01:36
Has anyone been successful in ban evasion? I got booted unfairly by a scorned former SB who reported me for "soliciting" which is hilarious given that aint none of them fucking for free. I have been trying new emails, VPN, new device and get booted as soon as it scans by face. Is their facial recognition tech that good? They won't event let me appeal and refuse to speak to me for a reinstatement. Money wasted. I would appreciate any help as I am not even getting messages back on SDM or alternative sites.
VanessasClient
09-24-25, 05:56
I think many of the people who have replied about the US dating market have some valid points. We could spend the next decade on this forum debating the matter, but I believe the bottom line is this: most men in the US are not happy with their amorous lives. If they were, wouldn't be having this conversation. Not just on ISG, but all over the internet, and in various podcasts, public discourse, and pretty much everywhere else. My personal suspicion is that this will not change any time soon, if ever.
I think part of the issue is that men and women have experienced very little biological change when compared to historical times. Men, to a grand ratio, still have much higher testosterone levels than women, and want sex much more frequently. But, we are no longer running around as hunter gatherers, and bringing more food back to the camp than the tribesman standing next to you, and thus winning sex from the lady's seal of approval. Technology has managed to accomplish many great things, but it's also thrown a gargantuan wrench into how sexual relationships used to function. Attributing some of that to modern birth control methods.
But most women are only going to listen to other women, particularly ones who are flaunting great wealth, and other desirable lifestyles that they have conceded to, as as result of their own uncontrollable envy. Let me ask you something. Do you think women should be sitting behind the red launch buttons at nuclear missile silos? That seems awfully logical to me; it's not like they could have woken up on the wrong side of the bed, and just decide to press that button because their PMS is nagging them. No, did you know that nuclear weapon facilities require 2 separate keys, with a significant distance between them, to be activated simultaneously in order to deploy a weapon? This prevents one person from going crazy and causing an inadvertent launch. This isn't to punish women, it's for the greater good of the public.
Yet people advocating "feminism" are trying to make the assertion that there are absolutely no physiological nor psychological differences between men and women. So when I say that women should not be sitting on guard at nuclear missile silos, and should also not be filling other roles that require a very high degree of rational thinking, I get called a misogynist. Wrong answer: I also believe there are certain roles that men should not fill, either.
This isn't a male or female matter. The issue is that people who are easily influenced, really should not be hanging around the internet too much. Nor should they be hanging around cult leaders, gurus, televangelists, or any other person or material to which they will make life decisions without thinking them through first. This whole situation is honestly starting to feel like that group of black people in the late 1990's who attempted to sue the railroad companies because their ancestors from hundreds of years ago were slaves building the railroad tracks. I think most of these women are spiteful because a hundred years ago, women didn't have the right to vote, and this is their opportunity to take revenge on all the men who "oppressed" their great grandmothers.
The dating and mating dynamic as it were in the past, is rapidly deteriorating in modern society, thanks primarily to dating capitalism. If you are a woman who is convinced you are owed something as a result of your birth right (gender), then why would you choose to give up that belief? It's to your benefit, if you can have men drop to their knees and worship you, and you only provide the bare minimum necessary in order to get everything you little heart desires. That's a very sweet deal, particularly if your personality leans towards selfishness and greed, more so than the average person, be it man or woman.
For my part, I try to get at least "part" of what I'm looking for out of Seeking. There's lots of talk of "stud" guys hanging around bars, and convincing various women to go home with them for one night stands. Given the nature of ISG, if most men were like that, any person with even a minute amount of intellect would know that such men would be flushing money down the toilet to spend it on prostitutes, if they are able to get it for free. Lots of talk. I hear people bragging about big returns on crypto currencies, yet those are the same people getting evicted from their homes not long after. Thus, I have no qualms about paying sex workers for sex. I'm getting at least some portion of what I want, and I'm parting with money that I can afford to spend. If the dating market were somehow able to clear up one day, to the extent that I did not see my time and effort as being a burden to me, then I might start looking in the other direction. Until then I'm okay with the ladies of the night; they deconstruct a convoluted web that's been made grievously complicated for no reason other than biased self gain.
Has anyone been successful in ban evasion? I got booted unfairly by a scorned former SB who reported me for "soliciting" which is hilarious given that aint none of them fucking for free. I have been trying new emails, VPN, new device and get booted as soon as it scans by face. Is their facial recognition tech that good? They won't event let me appeal and refuse to speak to me for a reinstatement. Money wasted. I would appreciate any help as I am not even getting messages back on SDM or alternative sites.At least you should do a charge back. They don't deserve your money.
Am more than convinced that Seeking is an online pro / semi-pro / wannabe WGs market place. Most SB's I have come across are wannabe's, and at some point in time categorically WGs.
Men think they are wise to throw money, attains premium member tag and finds their 'targets', then Seeking works to their advantage, but short lived as any online flare-bubbles.
From a woman's point of view, at a click of a button and few messages, she gets access to rich men competing each other for private time with her.
So why not put on some extra make up and photoshop filters to glorify those pics!
It is simply a supply & demand theory implemented online, very wisely!
Also another reason why these short term flings are the best is you get your girl at her best with makeup dolled up to the max. They are on their best behavior to please you.
One of the biggest scams men have to endure is the disappointment when she takes off her fake painted face. This is something women will never have to deal with as men don't look like a completely different person after washing their face. Ultimately it’s not fair since women need to compete against fake faces and then men just get used to that look as standard hurting everyone in the end.Also when she removes her fake hair. As a young man, I was surprised to find out how many women of all ethnicities are wearing fake hair and hair pieces. Fake faces, fake brows, fake hair. Fake tits, fake asses. Man!
Also when she removes her fake hair. As a young man, I was surprised to find out how many women of all ethnicities are wearing fake hair and hair pieces. Fake faces, fake brows, fake hair. Fake tits, fake asses. Man!Did I mention the fake nails and lashes too? Everything about a woman is fake, often even including her professed love for you. It's all fake, except for her strong desire to separate you from your money!
I think many of the people who have replied about the US dating market have some valid points. We could spend the next decade on this forum debating the matter, but I believe the bottom line is this: most men in the US are not happy with their amorous lives. If they were, wouldn't be having this conversation. Not just on ISG, but all over the internet, and in various podcasts, public discourse, and pretty much everywhere else. My personal suspicion is that this will not change any time soon, if ever.
I think part of the issue is that men and women have experienced very little biological change when compared to historical times. Men, to a grand ratio, still have much higher testosterone levels than women, and want sex much more frequently. But, we are no longer running around as hunter gatherers, and bringing more food back to the camp than the tribesman standing next to you, and thus winning sex from the lady's seal of approval. Technology has managed to accomplish many great things, but it's also thrown a gargantuan wrench into how sexual relationships used to function. Attributing some of that to modern birth control methods..As someone said here we are always paying for pussy one way or another. Some like the most socially acceptable pussy like marriage and most folks here like pros or semi girls. What you see today with women is the fallacy that they think they can have it all. Fuck a lot of men and suck some clueless romantic guy for his assets and leave him clean. Having money and attention from other men.
Then if women can do that? Why can't I keep fucking only hotties til I die?
VanessasClient
09-25-25, 02:09
At least you should do a charge back. They don't deserve your money.Yeah, but given their now mandatory identity verification, as well as info gleaned from the card used to make payment, it's very likely they have most guy's personal information now. There are numerous stories of Seeking sending collection agencies after their male members. I have no reason to doubt these stories. In the long term it could cost more. The risk of debt collectors coming after you goes down when the merchant in question is smaller, and does not have the easily accessible resources or experience to hire collection agencies, like Seeking does.
VanessasClient
09-25-25, 02:14
Am more than convinced that Seeking is an online pro / semi-pro / wannabe WGs market place. Most SB's I have come across are wannabe's, and at some point in time categorically WGs.
Men think they are wise to throw money, attains premium member tag and finds their 'targets', then Seeking works to their advantage, but short lived as any online flare-bubbles.
From a woman's point of view, at a click of a button and few messages, she gets access to rich men competing each other for private time with her.
So why not put on some extra make up and photoshop filters to glorify those pics!
It is simply a supply & demand theory implemented online, very wisely!Having the premium membership does little to attract female members. I get girls contacting me all the time, in between the months my premium membership is not active. The catch is that you cannot send messages to female members without the paid subscription. They can send messages to you, but you cannot read them without premium. The girls that are contacting me are seeing other things in my profile that are drawing their attention; not the premium membership.
WaltoDerri
09-25-25, 17:13
Yeah, but given their now mandatory identity verification, as well as info gleaned from the card used to make payment, it's very likely they have most guy's personal information now. There are numerous stories of Seeking sending collection agencies after their male members. I have no reason to doubt these stories. In the long term it could cost more. The risk of debt collectors coming after you goes down when the merchant in question is smaller, and does not have the easily accessible resources or experience to hire collection agencies, like Seeking does.So basically I'm screwed on my own unless I get a buddy of mine to make an account on my behalf and just get the log in and a burner card? Damn LOL.
VanessasClient
09-25-25, 20:55
So basically I'm screwed on my own unless I get a buddy of mine to make an account on my behalf and just get the log in and a burner card? Damn LOL.I'm not saying you can't file a chargeback, I'm just saying it probably carries some risks. Also I think when you agree to the terms of service when you sign up, they mention something about paying additional fees / fines if they have to send collections after you. Very few people read the TOS in its entirety. You could try and have someone you know create a smurf account, but I'm guessing it would have to be someone who REALLY trusts you, and has no objection to sticking their neck out for you. There's articles about methods to try and "beat" facial recognition, but I cannot attest to their effectiveness.
NeilGeorge
09-26-25, 15:24
Also when she removes her fake hair. As a young man, I was surprised to find out how many women of all ethnicities are wearing fake hair and hair pieces.More common among the black girls, to have wigs. I had one from Nigeria whose hair came off during sex, in my bed. Was shocked she really was bald!
More common among the black girls, to have wigs. I had one from Nigeria whose hair came off during sex, in my bed. Was shocked she really was bald!Too damn funny LOLOLOL! But you might be surprised (or maybe not) just how many white women are wearing wigs or hair pieces and extensions to make their hair look fuller. I know I was since people will say exactly what you did. That's why it surprised me what I found due to the stereotyping.
AmericanPi
09-26-25, 22:35
More common among the black girls, to have wigs. I had one from Nigeria whose hair came off during sex, in my bed. Was shocked she really was bald!Saw a black girl in Nashville a few times. Not really my jam. First time with a black girl in 25 years or so.
Interesting tho.
First of all, I couldn't really tell if she was black. She was light skinned and kind of looked Asian. But spoke with a black voice affectation. But that's not always telling. It wasn't till I asked her where her parents are from and she seemed confused and she was like " Atlanta, and Louisiana" that I fully got it.
But then when we were banging it was clear she had extensions. I mean when you're right up to somebody's face, you can really tell when you can't see a clear scalp to hair transition.
And then I just straight up, asked her if she had extensions. Of course, she said yes. And she asked me how I can tell. And of course, I did not say it's because you obviously didn't pay very much for them and got the cheap version. I'm a gentleman. Not really but I like writing that.
Then when we woke up there was black dye on my sheets. I felt I had to leave 20 bucks and a contrite note to the maids to get out of a penalty on that one. Actually the first night I literally reversed the sheets myself so that the head was the feet and the feet were the head so the stains were hidden. Second night I just coughed up the tip.
Oh black chicks.
WaltoDerri
09-27-25, 13:49
How can we encourage more men and SBs to jump ship to SDM? The customer service is much better. I reported a rinser and in less than 24 hours they actually did something about it. Unlike seeking where I reported constantly and they never did shit but I get reported on once and I'm banned for life. Fucking scumbags.
Anyways if you have SDM already keep an eye out for "Ana bloom" some weird British girl (or dude) claiming to "need a deposit to meet" LOL.
Steve 9696
09-27-25, 14:24
How can we encourage more men and SBs to jump ship to SDM? The customer service is much better. I reported a rinser and in less than 24 hours they actually did something about it. Unlike seeking where I reported constantly and they never did shit but I get reported on once and I'm banned for life. Fucking scumbags.
Anyways if you have SDM already keep an eye out for "Ana bloom" some weird British girl (or dude) claiming to "need a deposit to meet" LOL.Don't use Sugardaddy Meet or whatever it's called. Total scam. Pay per message. I know girls who have been on there and tell me the site was sending Messages from them to guys! They weren't sending the messages. The site was. To get guys to engage with them and spend money. And they were like wtf I didn't contact you. Scam. Period.
AmericanPi
09-27-25, 23:06
Don't use Sugardaddy Meet or whatever it's called. Total scam. Pay per message. I know girls who have been on there and tell me the site was sending Messages from them to guys! They weren't sending the messages. The site was. To get guys to engage with them and spend money. And they were like wtf I didn't contact you. Scam. Period.Yep. I used it twice. Never met anyone. It was abundantly clear that they have fake profiles sending you messages so you have to use credits to read them, and they never say anything. And they have lots of people listed as online, and it's super clear they have not been online anytime recently, if they ever were. They're just propping up old and inactive accounts and serving them up to you as fresh.
AmericanPi
09-30-25, 15:22
Still working to crack this nut.
Anyone used privacy dot com virtual cards to pay for seeking, with good experience or bad?
Open to DM also if you prefer.
NeilGeorge
09-30-25, 17:11
Don't use Sugardaddy Meet .. Pay per message. Scam. Period.You are confused. SugarDaddyMeet is a different site than the pay per message site. Same monthly or 90 day membership fee.
I have had very good luck on SDM site, better than I had on than seeking, and especially since seeking banned me a couple years ago. More amateurs and less pros.
VanessasClient
10-01-25, 02:43
You are confused. SugarDaddyMeet is a different site than the pay per message site. Same monthly or 90 day membership fee.
I have had very good luck on SDM site, better than I had on than seeking, and especially since seeking banned me a couple years ago. More amateurs and less pros.What's the name of the similar sounding site? Can we get clarification on the domains please?
Premium does have some face value in the form of 'respect' for standing out, though a WG will only be interested in thickness of your wallet post making the contact.
From a messaging point of view, it is a big bonus too.
I wonder what you meant by girls "seeing other things in your profile" contacting you.
Having the premium membership does little to attract female members. I get girls contacting me all the time, in between the months my premium membership is not active. The catch is that you cannot send messages to female members without the paid subscription. They can send messages to you, but you cannot read them without premium. The girls that are contacting me are seeing other things in my profile that are drawing their attention; not the premium membership.
VanessasClient
10-01-25, 18:56
Premium does have some face value in the form of 'respect' for standing out, though a WG will only be interested in thickness of your wallet post making the contact.
From a messaging point of view, it is a big bonus too.
I wonder what you meant by girls "seeing other things in your profile" contacting you.I had more than 50 unread messages between the middle of July and the middle of September, and that's when my premium membership was inactive. That's only 2 months of not having premium. Plus I had dozens of other girls add me to their favorites during that time. I cannot say without 100% certainty, but I believe it's a combined result of posted location, verifications, pictures, age, and other factors. A lot of guys are whacked out paranoid about revealing anything about themselves, most of the time because they are married (at best, a stupid decision to get married).
Some on ISG have admitted to posting obscured or inaccurate pics. This leads me to believe that many more hide pics all together, which is a deal breaker according to a significant percent of girl's profiles. Or, it could be that they think by getting those verification badges or background checks, that their info is more susceptible to being hacked or doxed; thus even more likely they will get punished during a divorce, or blackmailed for running around behind their wives backs.
Think about it. If you are a "sugar baby" looking for a man with resources, what concerns are you going to have on your mind? If he's trying to hide as much info from you as possible, are you more inclined to think he's legit, and not trying to scam you, or a risk to your safety? Most especially if there's other profiles out there that have taken the time / effort / money to make themselves stand out by sharing more inciting indicators upfront, before initial contact begins.
I'm not married, nor do I profess to the public that I'm some christian goody two shoes. So none of that shit applies to me. That being said, I'm sure Seeking in the US is entirely different. I haven't even ATTEMPTED to use it in the US in years; it's just a waste of time and money. It could be the main reason I'm getting a lot more interest is that many of the guys using it have their locations set to US cities.
WaltoDerri
10-01-25, 20:43
So basically I'm screwed on my own unless I get a buddy of mine to make an account on my behalf and just get the log in and a burner card? Damn LOL.Seems like my idea has worked for now. Friend made the account and had his face scanned. I just avoided uploading selfies but messaged the girls and offered to send my pics via text. We shall see how this goes.
WaltoDerri
10-01-25, 21:19
You are confused. SugarDaddyMeet is a different site than the pay per message site. Same monthly or 90 day membership fee.
I have had very good luck on SDM site, better than I had on than seeking, and especially since seeking banned me a couple years ago. More amateurs and less pros.What city are you in? It seems dry in my area.
Super Tramp
10-02-25, 14:43
Some on ISG have admitted to posting obscured or inaccurate pics.
Think about it. If you are a "sugar baby" looking for a man with resources, what concerns are you going to have on your mind? If he's trying to hide as much info from you as possible, are you more inclined to think he's legit, and not trying to scam you, or a risk to your safety? Most especially if there's other profiles out there that have taken the time / effort / money to make themselves stand out by sharing more inciting indicators upfront, before initial contact begins..I'm curious about showing myself and the difference it would make. I'm not married either. My main photo is me with sunglasses on, and the rest are hidden. I have yet to verify myself either. What are your thoughts on improvements by showing my face? I have a decent picture. Of course you may also get a lot of unwanted attention. I find there is a lot of "noise" on there too. Meaning distractions with girls from places I never visit. You can always just contact the girl you are interested in and unhide your photos for them.
VanessasClient
10-03-25, 07:46
I'm curious about showing myself and the difference it would make. I'm not married either. My main photo is me with sunglasses on, and the rest are hidden. I have yet to verify myself either. What are your thoughts on improvements by showing my face? I have a decent picture. Of course you may also get a lot of unwanted attention. I find there is a lot of "noise" on there too. Meaning distractions with girls from places I never visit. You can always just contact the girl you are interested in and unhide your photos for them.You'll probably recall that standard male members can only list 1 city, but premium can list 3. Sometimes I do get messages from other parts of the world, usually Ukraine or Venezuela. I have no clue how many of them might be legit. But, more to the point, often times I will get messages from nearby places. So, if I list my city as Arequipa, then it wouldn't be uncommon for me to get messages from girls in Cusco. Those two cities are close enough together that some girls would consider traveling by bus or train.
I don't think it's just the photos. I have all the verification badges, including background check, social media linking, and ID verified. They only require the self verification to create an account. I don't remember the exact price of their background check service, but I believe it is substantially over $100. One time fee, but it is dated. It required additional documents and it's a bit of a procedure.
Also, if you consider retirement age as 65, as that's when Americans can get Medicare and social security, I'm not anywhere near being a senior citizen. I think lots of girls in their '20's tolerate guys who are 70 or 80+ years old because of the money. But at the end of the day, that's still not their preference. 10 or 20 years their senior, sure. But not 50 years apart. It doesn't benefit a 25 year old girl to date a 90 year old man, if there's a 30 year old man who's just as wealthy. Unless she's trying to pull an Anna Nicole Smith, and look how that turned out for both parties.
Full disclosure: occasionally the first message I get from girls will be a request to see my private photos. I see these as distasteful challenge, given the nature of Seeking. I still give them an opportunity, but more often than not, just wind up moving on to the next profile.
I'm in Germany right now, and tonight I was with a white Romanian girl with blonde extensions. See, see, see! I told you so. The white chicks do it too! And as I discovered many moons ago, they do it a lot! Just had to mention this since we were just discussing this here not long ago. Fortunately, hers did not come out while we were fucking LOLOLOL!
After a year of on again off again use, I deleted my Seeking account today. Hallelujah! It's an expensive piece of shit for use in the States, and I don't need it for what I seek overseas. Good riddance! I leave it now for you guys to discuss.
To me, from my experience the only difference between a SB and WG is, SB is open only in certain times to 'known' or selected ones with pre-agreed arrangement / rates where as a WG with a Seeking profile has many 'faces' in the internet including escort agency (ies) she is affiliated with so she manage her open diary with her own rates incl dinner meets.
Then there is the other category which is daddy hunters aka single mums, again those would have a limited diary time and my experirnce says they throw a lot of tantrums!
I had more than 50 unread messages between the middle of July and the middle of September, and that's when my premium membership was inactive. That's only 2 months of not having premium. Plus I had dozens of other girls add me to their favorites during that time. I cannot say without 100% certainty, but I believe it's a combined result of posted location, verifications, pictures, age, and other factors. A lot of guys are whacked out paranoid about revealing anything about themselves, most of the time because they are married (at best, a stupid decision to get married).
Some on ISG have admitted to posting obscured or inaccurate pics. This leads me to believe that many more hide pics all together, which is a deal breaker according to a significant percent of girl's profiles. Or, it could be that they think by getting those verification badges or background checks, that their info is more susceptible to being hacked or doxed; thus even more likely they will get punished during a divorce, or blackmailed for running around behind their wives backs.
Think about it. If you are a "sugar baby" looking for a man with resources, what concerns are you going to have on your mind? If he's trying to hide as much info from you as possible, are you more inclined to think he's legit, and not trying to scam you, or a risk to your safety? Most especially if there's other profiles out there that have taken the time / effort / money to make themselves stand out by sharing more inciting indicators upfront, before initial contact begins..
VanessasClient
10-05-25, 00:47
After a year of on again off again use, I deleted my Seeking account today. Hallelujah! It's an expensive piece of shit for use in the States, and I don't need it for what I seek overseas. Good riddance! I leave it now for you guys to discuss.If there was an alternative site that worked overseas, I would use it. The only other thing that comes to mind "globally" is tinder. Beyond that, it seems that each country or region has its own "niche" sites.
WaltoDerri
10-07-25, 20:57
After a year of on again off again use, I deleted my Seeking account today. Hallelujah! It's an expensive piece of shit for use in the States, and I don't need it for what I seek overseas. Good riddance! I leave it now for you guys to discuss.Which site do you use over seas? Or where else do you find women? Seeking was a gold mine for my trips last year but I agree that it is shitty for state side use.
WaltoDerri
10-07-25, 21:00
Seems like my idea has worked for now. Friend made the account and had his face scanned. I just avoided uploading selfies but messaged the girls and offered to send my pics via text. We shall see how this goes.It seems my idea worked until Saturday. Only met 2 women and one ran off with my money while distracted (rookie mistake) and I reported her but MY account was deleted. The other was an old connect and the date went fine. No extras happened. At least I seemed to get an automatic refund to my credit card but zero explanation from customer service LOL. I did not upload photos and offered to show them via text or even just video call.
Which site do you use over seas? Or where else do you find women? Seeking was a gold mine for my trips last year but I agree that it is shitty for state side use.I don't use sites. I'm 100% OK with pros and like to go to establishments where they can be easily found, whether it's a Brazilian terma or a German sauna club or a bar or nightclub somewhere in the world frequented by ladies of the night who want to meet me for P4P.
EasyIslandLife
10-12-25, 20:30
This is my first attempt at trying to be sugar daddy in Brazil. It's full of rookie mistake and things I learned. I would like to thank all the senior members (Steve 9696, The Cane, VanessasClient, Chicago85, etc.) for their sage advice, even if I stupidly forgot to follow it at times. Prior to my September trip to Brazil, a couple of months of insomnia allowed me to do a lot of leg work on Meu Patrocinio, which seemed to have more options than Seeking. I found very few English speakers, although English speakers seemed more common in Rio than Sao Paulo, I'm guessing because there are a shit ton of tourists in Rio. I don't speak Portuguese, and used Google Translate and at times the more accurate DeepL Translate to communicate. A complete waste of money was the $400 purchase of Time Kettle W4 Pro AI Interpreter translation earbuds, the translations were comically incorrect and really only good for a laugh and the Portuguese English translation is not even available offline. I paid for an Airalo cell phone plan before I arrived to get a local Brazilian eSIM, but I could not get it to work, at least it was only $33. Luckily, I was able to get by with my T-Mobile plan. The server at a nice restaurant in Rio walked away with one of my credit cards, next time I need to be more aware. A kid on a bike filched my iPhone while I was requesting an Uber leaving Ibirapuera Park, I was lucky he tossed the phone after I chased him for half mile, I don't think he was expecting that. I seriously need to consider a burner phone my next visit.
I messaged a bunch of SBs on Meu Patrocinio and Seeking using a generic opening with an account that had 3 pictures and short description. Overall, I'd guess about half are some type of GPS, business accounts on their WhatsApp was a dead giveaway. I tried to avoid the 18-21 age group (one that messaged and WhatsApped me, did exactly what the exulted senior members warned about, send naked picture and immediately ask for money = block). The SBs that messaged me as opposed to the other way around were all older, fatties, ugly, scams, or based on their pictures trans (wholly shit there are a lot of masculine looking profiles). I ignored most that wanted to go to WhatsApp as their opening reply, although after spending time with my SB as well as garotas from Scandallo and Bomboa smart enough to seek alternative sources of revenue, many garotas want to move off the Meu Patrocinio app right away because the phone app sucks and crashes a lot. Trying not to be scammed, I eliminated profiles with less than 5 photos and any with single line descriptions. I ended up WhatsApping about 20 of the SBs (stupid insomnia). So as not to be surprised, I had the gift discussion with a lot of them. Gift requests ranged from 800 are-2500 are per day. They all asked for money except one that wanted an iPhone 15. Some conversations faded, others ignored, a couple were dropped for asking for money before a meeting was suggested. I vetted 6 of them with video calls and dropped 3 of them for being fatties, unattractive, lying about where they actually lived. All of them photoshop their pictures or use old pictures, even on WhatsApp, but there are varying degrees of photoshop. I found out that videos sent could also be deep faked by these garotas (they are either getting help or getting smarter), so I'm glad I did video chats asking for no filters. On the video chat, I tried to be clear about the importance of chemistry and private time.
My aim was for a 27-30 year old semi pro or a slightly younger pro. Basically, I was hoping for an excellent time in bedroom with full GFE. My general experience with the hobby has been if they are too young and inexperienced, the BJs are bad and all they do is starfish, in which case it doesn't matter how beautiful they are. I may be naive, but I think I ended up with a full on civilian. More to come. .
EasyIslandLife
10-12-25, 21:55
Day 1. In case the first date went badly, I spent 3 hours of the afternoon with a GDP I found online. I then went looking for flowers and chocolates and ended up at a flower shop where I'm pretty sure I got the gringo price and ended up spending R300 for a dozen roses, so I skipped the chocolates. I met my SB at a Korean restaurant for dinner and soju. I ended up with a pretty (although not as DDG as her photoshopped pictures) mulatto, 5'1", 88 lbs, long black hair, tiny fit spinner with soft skin, beautiful round natural be cups, a waist so small I could almost get my hands around it and a well shaped small bunda. I'll call her M. 27 years old, divorced after 5 years of marriage and one previous SD. Working multiple jobs, I'm going to guess all pretty low paying with no degrees, she is into older guys (her ex husband was 16 years her senior) because she is looking for a provider. At the restaurant, we used Google Translate for conversation, knocked back a couple of bottles of soju, then there was reluctance to go back to my hotel because she was tired. After some coaxing, back at the hotel, she was a bit shy, but talking led to DFK and then 2nd base on the couch. I stupidly did not follow the exulted senior members advice of the 48 hour rule and purchased her plane tickets to join me on my trip for the next week. As a result, I had to cancel my other SB meeting in Rio and boy was that SB ever pissed. I'm not sure how M talked me into it, but after she got comfortable with that body and her hand on my cock, the credit card came out and the next thing I knew I had spent R5000 on 3 plane tickets for her. While she was in the bathroom, I put out an envelope with R1000 on the night stand, the agreed upon per diem. In bed, more DFK led to a cursory BBBJ that was below average, especially compared to the pro earlier in the day. I did some DATY and when she was nice and wet, I almost went into her BB, she completely forgot about the condom (she had neither condoms or lube the entire week). After grabbing a condom from the drawer, sliding into her was real nice; wet and snug like only a spinner can provide. I was surprised that positions were limited and she struggled with several of them. She could do missionary and spoon sex, but cowgirl tired her out in spite of her fit body and she didn't seem to know how to position herself for doggie or prone. I may be naive, but the overall experience made me think I ended up with an actual civilian. After about an hour, she said she was tired, got dress and went home with the flowers to pack for the week, completely ignoring the envelope with money.
Day 2. We met at an expensive resort in Foz do Iguacu, the one in the national park with exclusive access to the waterfalls after the park hours. The place had an interesting mix, very wealthy families, couples on their honeymoon, what appeared to be multiple SD / SB relationships (several super hot 20 year old blondes with mature men at least 20-30 years older than me), and whoever else can afford R6000+ per night. The resort was amazing, top notch food, excellent services with multiple concierges at the ready. My experience with M the 2nd night did not go as well. She got bitten in the eye or eyelid by a mosquitos or some bug and was super grumpy. No sex, no kissing, no touching. After getting her treatment and being a nice guy, she tried to play games to pass the time like tic tac toe and hangman (next time I bring a deck of cards) but nothing fun, just a couple of drinks and an early end to the night.
Day 3. I was hoping M would make it up to me for being really nice and caring the previous night. But even though her eye felt better, no morning sex like I had hoped. When the evening came around, she was tired, not in the mood and we basically fought and went to bed angry after nothing. In the middle of the night, she woke me up with her body next to mine as the little spoon, proceeded to stroke me off, rubbing me against her opening before sliding me into her wet pussy raw. The make up sex was amazing, although positions were still limited to spoon and missionary. She became a wild jack rabbit as the little spoon and before I knew it I had CIP. I probably should have brought PrEP, but was not planning on BBFS.
Day 4. BBFS morning sex in spoon and missionary, missing breakfast entirely, cut short by the need to catch a flight to Rio. In Rio at the hotel, I find out she is not on birth control of any kind and she finds out my swimmers still work. We decided she would have to use plan be. After which, starting in the afternoon and into the evening, M decided to get drunk. Really drunk. We met some cariocas and bar hopped a bit, it all started so innocently. I stopped buying her drinks after her 9th one, but she had money and continued to drink until the bar cut her off at like 11. Remember, M is only 88 lbs soaking wet. Back at the hotel she was too drunk to do anything, and when I tried, she almost threw up and I left her on the couch with a waste basket next to her in case she got sick.
Day 5. As bad as drunk M was, hungover M was a much worse experience. She spent the entire day in the dark hotel room. I left her with water and whatever was in the minibar. I checked in on her in the late afternoon and we had another fight over me suggesting sex later that evening when she felt better. So I went to Solarium, I had a couple of drinks, but did not find any of the garotas to my liking enough to session with. The evening back with M resulted in another argument and the decision that she would fly back to Sao Paulo the next morning. We went to bed angry on opposite sides of the bed. In the middle of the night, I found her on my side of the bed with a leg over me. Still upset, I moved her leg, rolled over and went back to sleep. I woke up a second time with both her legs over me and my dick literally being squeezed between her thighs. This led to the some of the best make up sex I've ever had in my life. Cowgirl, missionary and spoon, multiple sessions of full on BBFSCIP over a couple of hours until the sun came up.
Day 6. We slept in the morning and missed breakfast. After lunch, we decided to do a helicopter tour. A fancy expensive dinner at Mocellin Mar resulted in the server walking away with my credit card without me noticing. Back at the hotel, it was DFK and BBFS. After sex, we had a discussion and she told me and I quote "As long as we share the same bed, I can have sex with her whenever I want", I even got a screen shot of it. She then went to sleep with no panties. In the middle of the night, when I woke up at full salute, I decided to take her up on her offer. Spoon sex BBFSCIP. I woke up later in the night and after some touching, we did it again BBFS spoon and missionary.
Day 7. Make up sex is great. The morning started with BBFSCIP and we miss breakfast again. I gave her an envelope with R6000 as no money was asked for during my time spent with M, but the original discussion was for R1000 per day with money spent on flights, helicopter tours and 4 and 5 star hotels. We took our flight back to Sao Paulo and said our goodbyes. I went in to for a kiss, but she turned and gave me her cheek.
Overall, I got a GFE, just not the one I was expecting. The make up sex was great, but the fighting and general lack of affection was not. Other than the first night, there were no BJs and minimal DFK. In retrospect, I should have definitely followed the 48-72 hour rule so I could have seen the other SB I had lined up in Rio. Although, with the eye injury, the experience would have only included 3 session and I would have missed out on some seriously amazing make up sex. I could have also tried to line up more SBs in Sao Paulo, but I've never been to Scandallo and felt like I needed a couple of days to check out that scene as well as Bomboa and Casarao.
Day 9. I scheduled to meet up with M for dinner and private time for R2800 (I agreed because I felt like I shorted her earlier gift, but did not have enough cash at that time) and even extended my hotel stay a day so I would have a hotel room to do it, but she flaked last minute. So off to Scandallo I went to spend R2800 before my late night flight back stateside.
NeilGeorge
10-13-25, 05:12
Overall, I got a GFE, just not the one I was expecting. The make up sex was great, but the fighting and general lack of affection was not. Other than the first night, there were no BJs and minimal DFK.Sounds like a wife. Short term would be better.
VanessasClient
10-14-25, 06:13
Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone. Even if the kid is only 7 or 8 years old, they could still be armed. And if not, he could have rode his bike back to his home, where his family or "fellow neighbors" would have been waiting.
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.
Biggest lesson. Just because someone keeps their word a couple of times, or maybe even a few times in a row, doesn't mean that pattern will continue indefinitely. I had a girl try to backstab me in August, and I had been in contact with her for over a year. I'd say in order to have significant trust that you won't be betrayed, then I really think you need to make it past the 2 year mark, with consistent behavior that's frequently demonstrated.
Principles I live by:
1: Try your best not to share any identifiable details, such as your birthday, place you went to high school, and things of this nature. And if you ever need to, only the minimum necessary.
2. Never advance money itself. I've sent cars to pick girls up before, but I no longer advance funds.
3. Try to be vague about your personal life, particularly anything related to your career, if you have one. If pressed for specifics, lie if you can.
If you want to engage in conversations, then I recommend less risky topics like talking about pets, hobbies, sports, music etc. If you find yourself getting seriously attached to someone, then rewire your brain to break that problem. Unless you are prepared to bid all of your chips, and accept the potential repercussions.
Side note: you can pay Brazilians by Wise directly to their PIX account. I'm reluctant to do this these days because then they may have access to your full legal name (violating a rule I just mentioned, especially if you go bareback). But if you prefer not to mess around with exchanging dollars for reais, it is potential option. But, if you don't mind taking the risk, and would rather finance your endeavors while collecting reward points, who am I to tell you not to?
Day 1. In case the first date went badly, I spent 3 hours of the afternoon with a GDP I found online. I then went looking for flowers and chocolates and ended up at a flower shop where I'm pretty sure I got the gringo price and ended up spending R300 for a dozen roses, so I skipped the chocolates. I met my SB at a Korean restaurant for dinner and soju. I ended up with a pretty (although not as DDG as her photoshopped pictures) mulatto, 5'1", 88 lbs, long black hair, tiny fit spinner with soft skin, beautiful round natural be cups, a waist so small I could almost get my hands around it and a well shaped small bunda. I'll call her M. 27 years old, divorced after 5 years of marriage and one previous SD. Working multiple jobs, I'm going to guess all pretty low paying with no degrees, she is into older guys (her ex husband was 16 years her senior) because she is looking for a provider. At the restaurant, we used Google Translate for conversation, knocked back a couple of bottles of soju, then there was reluctance to go back to my hotel because she was tired. After some coaxing, back at the hotel, she was a bit shy, but talking led to DFK and then 2nd base on the couch. I stupidly did not follow the exulted senior members advice of the 48 hour rule and purchased her plane tickets to join me on my trip for the next week. As a result, I had to cancel my other SB meeting in Rio and boy was that SB ever pissed. I'm not sure how M talked me into it, but after she got comfortable with that body and her hand on my cock, the credit card came out and the next thing I knew I had spent R5000 on 3 plane tickets for her. While she was in the bathroom, I put out an envelope with R1000 on the night stand, the agreed upon per diem. In bed, more DFK led to a cursory BBBJ that was below average, especially compared to the pro earlier in the day. I did some DATY and when she was nice and wet, I almost went into her BB, she completely forgot about the condom (she had neither condoms or lube the entire week). After grabbing a condom from the drawer, sliding into her was real nice; wet and snug like only a spinner can provide. I was surprised that positions were limited and she struggled with several of them. She could do missionary and spoon sex, but cowgirl tired her out in spite of her fit body and she didn't seem to know how to position herself for doggie or prone. I may be naive, but the overall experience made me think I ended up with an actual civilian. After about an hour, she said she was tired, got dress and went home with the flowers to pack for the week, completely ignoring the envelope with money.
Day 2. We met at an expensive resort in Foz do Iguacu, the one in the national park with exclusive access to the waterfalls after the park hours. The place had an interesting mix, very wealthy families, couples on their honeymoon, what appeared to be multiple SD / SB relationships (several super hot 20 year old blondes with mature men at least 20-30 years older than me), and whoever else can afford R6000+ per night. The resort was amazing, top notch food, excellent services with multiple concierges at the ready. My experience with M the 2nd night did not go as well. She got bitten in the eye or eyelid by a mosquitos or some bug and was super grumpy. No sex, no kissing, no touching. After getting her treatment and being a nice guy, she tried to play games to pass the time like tic tac toe and hangman (next time I bring a deck of cards) but nothing fun, just a couple of drinks and an early end to the night.
Day 3. I was hoping M would make it up to me for being really nice and caring the previous night. But even though her eye felt better, no morning sex like I had hoped. When the evening came around, she was tired, not in the mood and we basically fought and went to bed angry after nothing. In the middle of the night, she woke me up with her body next to mine as the little spoon, proceeded to stroke me off, rubbing me against her opening before sliding me into her wet pussy raw. The make up sex was amazing, although positions were still limited to spoon and missionary. She became a wild jack rabbit as the little spoon and before I knew it I had CIP. I probably should have brought PrEP, but was not planning on BBFS.
Day 4. BBFS morning sex in spoon and missionary, missing breakfast entirely, cut short by the need to catch a flight to Rio. In Rio at the hotel, I find out she is not on birth control of any kind and she finds out my swimmers still work. We decided she would have to use plan be. After which, starting in the afternoon and into the evening, M decided to get drunk. Really drunk. We met some cariocas and bar hopped a bit, it all started so innocently. I stopped buying her drinks after her 9th one, but she had money and continued to drink until the bar cut her off at like 11. Remember, M is only 88 lbs soaking wet. Back at the hotel she was too drunk to do anything, and when I tried, she almost threw up and I left her on the couch with a waste basket next to her in case she got sick.
Day 5. As bad as drunk M was, hungover M was a much worse experience. She spent the entire day in the dark hotel room. I left her with water and whatever was in the minibar. I checked in on her in the late afternoon and we had another fight over me suggesting sex later that evening when she felt better. So I went to Solarium, I had a couple of drinks, but did not find any of the garotas to my liking enough to session with. The evening back with M resulted in another argument and the decision that she would fly back to Sao Paulo the next morning. We went to bed angry on opposite sides of the bed. In the middle of the night, I found her on my side of the bed with a leg over me. Still upset, I moved her leg, rolled over and went back to sleep. I woke up a second time with both her legs over me and my dick literally being squeezed between her thighs. This led to the some of the best make up sex I've ever had in my life. Cowgirl, missionary and spoon, multiple sessions of full on BBFSCIP over a couple of hours until the sun came up.
Day 6. We slept in the morning and missed breakfast. After lunch, we decided to do a helicopter tour. A fancy expensive dinner at Mocellin Mar resulted in the server walking away with my credit card without me noticing. Back at the hotel, it was DFK and BBFS. After sex, we had a discussion and she told me and I quote "As long as we share the same bed, I can have sex with her whenever I want", I even got a screen shot of it. She then went to sleep with no panties. In the middle of the night, when I woke up at full salute, I decided to take her up on her offer. Spoon sex BBFSCIP. I woke up later in the night and after some touching, we did it again BBFS spoon and missionary.
Day 7. Make up sex is great. The morning started with BBFSCIP and we miss breakfast again. I gave her an envelope with R6000 as no money was asked for during my time spent with M, but the original discussion was for R1000 per day with money spent on flights, helicopter tours and 4 and 5 star hotels. We took our flight back to Sao Paulo and said our goodbyes. I went in to for a kiss, but she turned and gave me her cheek.
Overall, I got a GFE, just not the one I was expecting. The make up sex was great, but the fighting and general lack of affection was not. Other than the first night, there were no BJs and minimal DFK. In retrospect, I should have definitely followed the 48-72 hour rule so I could have seen the other SB I had lined up in Rio. Although, with the eye injury, the experience would have only included 3 session and I would have missed out on some seriously amazing make up sex. I could have also tried to line up more SBs in Sao Paulo, but I've never been to Scandallo and felt like I needed a couple of days to check out that scene as well as Bomboa and Casarao.
Day 9. I scheduled to meet up with M for dinner and private time for R2800 (I agreed because I felt like I shorted her earlier gift, but did not have enough cash at that time) and even extended my hotel stay a day so I would have a hotel room to do it, but she flaked last minute. So off to Scandallo I went to spend R2800 before my late night flight back stateside.
Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone...
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.I agree with all you are saying. Also, do not leave your cell phone at the table if you run to the bathroom at the restaurant during a first meeting. I had a girl up and leave, stealing my phone with her. I had to buy a new phone, cancel my credit cards, and found out she was using my Uber. Do not trust a hoe.
I purposefully use my middle name, unless and until there is some trust. And do not give out my last name. Unfortunately my real name shows on my credit card slips and the girls try to read those. Pay with cash at the restaurant meeting, if you can. Always pay the girls with cash. And you can Never completely trust a woman. They are the ones who will turn you in to the Police. Just try getting married, divorced, and having problems with your kids. Your X will do every dirty she can to get you arrested so she can brag to her girlfriends how bad you are. All the police shows have the con-man turned in by an ex-girlfriend who is bitter because he found another.
EasyIslandLife
10-15-25, 05:21
Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone. Even if the kid is only 7 or 8 years old, they could still be armed. And if not, he could have rode his bike back to his home, where his family or "fellow neighbors" would have been waiting.
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.
Biggest lesson. Just because someone keeps their word a couple of times, or maybe even a few times in a row, doesn't mean that pattern will continue indefinitely. I had a girl try to backstab me in August, and I had been in contact with her for over a year. I'd say in order to have significant trust that you won't be betrayed, then I really think you need to make it past the 2 year mark, with consistent behavior that's frequently demonstrated.
VanessasClient is 100% right, giving chase over a cell phone is a dumb idea. I honestly wouldn't have known what to do if I caught the kid anyway, safety issue aside, a grown ass man kicking the ass of a 14 year old kid is not a good look in any country. Many before have said "I'm a lover, not a fighter", and my energy in Brazil is much better spent sharing my love with as many hot garotas as possible. Next time, I'm bringing a cheap cell phone.
Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?
Day 1. In case the first date went badly, I spent 3 hours of the afternoon with a GDP I found online. I then went looking for flowers and chocolates and ended up at a flower shop where I'm pretty sure I got the gringo price and ended up spending R300 for a dozen roses, so I skipped the chocolates. I met my SB
VanessasClient
10-17-25, 04:04
Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan ß is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D
Thank you for getting me to think straight! Eye opening indeed. Much appreciated!
This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D
Elvis 2008
10-18-25, 19:28
This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D
Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?Plan b is Levonorgestrel and it suppresses ovulation. Thing is if the egg has already been released and you cum inside the woman it may do not good at all, so it is best to use right after the act of sex and for you to withdraw and not cum inside of her. For the most part, I had no issue with women taking it. The issue was the price. It was $50 in the USA so I would buy it at All Day Chemist for $3. Now you can get on Amazon for like $14, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZF2N2ZK?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US.
When I went bare, if I had the woman take the pill right after the act of sex, and I did not cum inside her, I had no issues with pregnancy. Thing is that about one in four women cramp and bleed after taking it, and that is where I had resistance, a woman or two who took Levonorgestrel and had side effects occasionally balked at taking it again. The pregnancy prevention rate with Levonorgestrel is about the same as condoms.
For longer term, I would inject medroxyprogesterone acetate or Depoprovera. This lasts 3 months and is the best birth control outside of getting snipped. Most women have no problem with the injection but some have terrible cramps and bleeding, and it can take months for that to stop. I used to buy this for $20 from far away lands and just give it to my SBs. With no exceptions, they did not balk but were appreciative unless they had the side effects. Unlike in the USA where they are all these safety warnings like having a PAP smear prior to getting it, in Africa, there are no such controls, and the women line up for it, and it is the most popular form of birth control in the world. Thing is in the USA now that has come down and price, and I am seeing the shots going for $25 here now.
I liked it because I did not have to worry about a woman "forgetting" to take their pill. I have also been reading this book one of the manosphere guys recommended called Sperm Wars and it has been very eye opening with regards to how much the subconscious of both men and women play in the reproductive process. A lot of times a woman "forgets" taking her pill, apparently her subconscious is willing her to do so. I highly recommend the book.
Upon reflection though, this has been a bigger issue than I recall. I had one SB who did get pregnant once. She was honest in that she had been with another guy, but speaking of subconscious, I had a dream of something living inside of me, so when she said that she was pregnant, I said, "I have a feeling it is mine. " She had four kids and did not want a fifth and asked for some financial help and I gladly gave it to her and she took care of it.
Thing is in this world there is a lot of bullshitting about being pregnant. I had one woman I got together with after a year hiatus who claimed I impregnated her and she miscarried, and I thought she was full of shit and being manipulative. Reuniting with a SB always turned out to be a bad idea.
One thing I prided myself on was leaving my wallet out in front of trusted SBs in Colombian and Mexico. Of all the times I was abroad, I only had one time a woman steal from me, and THAT women claimed a month later that I impregnated her, so I blocked her and never heard from her again. I would bet my life that she was full of shit.
Then there was the SB who said my chances of being the father of her kid was less than 10%. She was one of those SBs that was a good woman, and she was living with a guy that she did not trust would be a good father and there was no doubt in her mind that she was not ready to be a mother. So I probably did not have to help her out, but I did. Less than 10% did not make me feel comfortable.
You think all this would cause a remarkable amount of stress, but they really did not. The women were going to do what they wanted to do or they were full of shit. All that I had to do was assist in a decision that they had already made.
There was one time though that a SB was pregnant, and she said the baby was mine, and I think she would have kept it with some kind of commitment from me. That was tough. It was at the point in my life where I would have welcomed a child, but something just was not right. I was ambivalent with her and when she saw the lack of commitment from me, she did what she had to do. It was the only time I felt guilt, and I still do when I think about it.
Thing is we had stopped seeing each other and two months later, she was pregnant again and that time it was definitely not mine and she chose not to be a mother again. I guess I could say, "Shit, it was probably that guy's kid the first time too", but I really do not believe that to be true.
Thing is after reading Sperm Wars and how much the subconscious controls women and pregnancy, I could see her having sex with another guy and totally blocking it out of her mind. Women subconsciously distinguish between a man they see as a good genetic sperm donor but a shitty person and one they see as a good provider but less than ideal sperm donor. Point is that I could see many SDs being collared as fathers who are not and maybe that was what was going on with the woman above.
Thing is that in Sperm Wars, there is this war to be the guy who fathers the most children, and I really do not feel that way. Maybe it is because the father is nowhere to be seen, but I am closer to my gal's daughter than any children I am genetically linked to. I don't want to be the father of an asshole regardless of whose sperm gave life to that child. How do you guys feel about that? Do you think that they have to be your genetic child for you to totally love them?
VanessasClient
10-19-25, 06:49
The thing that makes withdraw risky is that there's no 100% proof why some men's pre ejaculate contains sperm, and other men's does not. In fact, there's even inconsistency among the same man, where sometimes his precum has sperm, and other times it doesn't. The leading theory is that if it does contain sperm, it's sperm that was sitting in the urethra from the last ejaculation. If you believe that theory, then sperm cannot survive in the urethra for much more than several hours, due to the acidic environment and temperature. So, how do pregnancies happen from precum if the last ejaculation was 24 hours ago? There's other researchers that say a small amount of cum may be released before the main load blows out. Seems not particularly reliable to me.
I'm sure there's plenty of documented cases out there where adoptive parents were more dedicated to their children than biological parents. The thing is. If there's ever a serious rift between the kid and the parents, especially if the kid is an adolescent or even an adult, either side can always fall back on the argument "you're not my real dad / mom / child" and there's no defensible reason not to end the relationship. Whereas with blood bound families, then the perpetrator is identified as simply being a rat. If the parents abuse the kid, then the parents are just shit. Or if the kid grows up to be a mass murder, then the kid is shit. But with adopted families, you always have the excuse to walk away based on that person not being biologically related.
In some countries like Brazil or RD, abortion is all but illegal unless the mother's life is in danger, or the doctor signs off that the baby is likely to be stillborn. Good news is that overall male sperm count has been declining globally during the past couple of decades Also, sperm quality is going down with it, and testosterone levels.
I'm still amazed at the number of new members who show up on Seeking each week. It's like almost every woman wants to give it a try at least once. Either that or scammers are recycling old images that Seeking has not stored for comparison purposes.
Plan b is Levonorgestrel and it suppresses ovulation. Thing is if the egg has already been released and you cum inside the woman it may do not good at all, so it is best to use right after the act of sex and for you to withdraw and not cum inside of her. For the most part, I had no issue with women taking it. The issue was the price. It was $50 in the USA so I would buy it at All Day Chemist for $3. Now you can get on Amazon for like $14, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZF2N2ZK?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US.
When I went bare, if I had the woman take the pill right after the act of sex, and I did not cum inside her, I had no issues with pregnancy. Thing is that about one in four women cramp and bleed after taking it, and that is where I had resistance, a woman or two who took Levonorgestrel and had side effects occasionally balked at taking it again. The pregnancy prevention rate with Levonorgestrel is about the same as condoms.
For longer term, I would inject medroxyprogesterone acetate or Depoprovera. This lasts 3 months and is the best birth control outside of getting snipped. Most women have no problem with the injection but some have terrible cramps and bleeding, and it can take months for that to stop. I used to buy this for $20 from far away lands and just give it to my SBs. With no exceptions, they did not balk but were appreciative unless they had the side effects. Unlike in the USA where they are all these safety warnings like having a PAP smear prior to getting it, in Africa, there are no such controls, and the women line up for it, and it is the most popular form of birth control in the world. Thing is in the USA now that has come down and price, and I am seeing the shots going for $25 here now.
I liked it because I did not have to worry about a woman "forgetting" to take their pill. I have also been reading this book one of the manosphere guys recommended called Sperm Wars and it has been very eye opening with regards to how much the subconscious of both men and women play in the reproductive process. A lot of times a woman "forgets" taking her pill, apparently her subconscious is willing her to do so. I highly recommend the book.
Upon reflection though, this has been a bigger issue than I recall. I had one SB who did get pregnant once. She was honest in that she had been with another guy, but speaking of subconscious, I had a dream of something living inside of me, so when she said that she was pregnant, I said, "I have a feeling it is mine. " She had four kids and did not want a fifth and asked for some financial help and I gladly gave it to her and she took care of it.
Thing is in this world there is a lot of bullshitting about being pregnant. I had one woman I got together with after a year hiatus who claimed I impregnated her and she miscarried, and I thought she was full of shit and being manipulative. Reuniting with a SB always turned out to be a bad idea.
One thing I prided myself on was leaving my wallet out in front of trusted SBs in Colombian and Mexico. Of all the times I was abroad, I only had one time a woman steal from me, and THAT women claimed a month later that I impregnated her, so I blocked her and never heard from her again. I would bet my life that she was full of shit.
Then there was the SB who said my chances of being the father of her kid was less than 10%. She was one of those SBs that was a good woman, and she was living with a guy that she did not trust would be a good father and there was no doubt in her mind that she was not ready to be a mother. So I probably did not have to help her out, but I did. Less than 10% did not make me feel comfortable.
You think all this would cause a remarkable amount of stress, but they really did not. The women were going to do what they wanted to do or they were full of shit. All that I had to do was assist in a decision that they had already made.
There was one time though that a SB was pregnant, and she said the baby was mine, and I think she would have kept it with some kind of commitment from me. That was tough. It was at the point in my life where I would have welcomed a child, but something just was not right. I was ambivalent with her and when she saw the lack of commitment from me, she did what she had to do. It was the only time I felt guilt, and I still do when I think about it.
Thing is we had stopped seeing each other and two months later, she was pregnant again and that time it was definitely not mine and she chose not to be a mother again. I guess I could say, "Shit, it was probably that guy's kid the first time too", but I really do not believe that to be true.
Thing is after reading Sperm Wars and how much the subconscious controls women and pregnancy, I could see her having sex with another guy and totally blocking it out of her mind. Women subconsciously distinguish between a man they see as a good genetic sperm donor but a shitty person and one they see as a good provider but less than ideal sperm donor. Point is that I could see many SDs being collared as fathers who are not and maybe that was what was going on with the woman above.
Thing is that in Sperm Wars, there is this war to be the guy who fathers the most children, and I really do not feel that way. Maybe it is because the father is nowhere to be seen, but I am closer to my gal's daughter than any children I am genetically linked to. I don't want to be the father of an asshole regardless of whose sperm gave life to that child. How do you guys feel about that? Do you think that they have to be your genetic child for you to totally love them?
Elvis 2008
10-19-25, 11:56
The thing that makes withdraw risky is that there's no 100% proof why some men's pre ejaculate contains sperm, and other men's does not. In fact, there's even inconsistency among the same man, where sometimes his precum has sperm, and other times it doesn't. The leading theory is that if it does contain sperm, it's sperm that was sitting in the urethra from the last ejaculation. If you believe that theory, then sperm cannot survive in the urethra for much more than several hours, due to the acidic environment and temperature. So, how do pregnancies happen from precum if the last ejaculation was 24 hours ago? There's other researchers that say a small amount of cum may be released before the main load blows out. Seems not particularly reliable to me.Withdrawing is not reliable, and I do not want anyone to think it is. I was just giving my experience. In fact, another SB was giving me head and she said that she could taste my pre-cum at the time meaning I could have gotten the SB pregnant. I thought the less sperm the better, but I learned from the book how many different types of sperm there are and how even jerking off and having less sperm can actually make your sperm more potent. For something we all thought we could control, this book was quite the eye opener with how little we really do. I did not give the SB claiming to be pregnant plan be though.
I'm sure there's plenty of documented cases out there where adoptive parents were more dedicated to their children than biological parents. The thing is. If there's ever a serious rift between the kid and the parents, especially if the kid is an adolescent or even an adult, either side can always fall back on the argument "you're not my real dad / mom / child" and there's no defensible reason not to end the relationship. Whereas with blood bound families, then the perpetrator is identified as simply being a rat. If the parents abuse the kid, then the parents are just shit. Or if the kid grows up to be a mass murder, then the kid is shit. But with adopted families, you always have the excuse to walk away based on that person not being biologically related.Yeah, it is so common for women to put all their energy into the child, they neglect the husband or male mate and the male looks for fun elsewhere. Then the woman calls the guy all kinds of names and he leaves. Instead of admitting the error, she trashes the husband / partner to their children. I had something like this happen and have seen it happen to others way too often. I was shocked to hear a woman or two admit that they neglected their partner and lost them. Not all women are in denial about this common misdeed I guess.
In my case, coming in as the step father type, I have been appreciated as both mother and daughter have seen how much I add to the family, and I can usually tell if a kid is bad or not even at an early age. To have a good kid versus having to play the genetic lottery of conception was quite a blessing.
In some countries like Brazil or RD, abortion is all but illegal unless the mother's life is in danger, or the doctor signs off that the baby is likely to be stillbornLOL. And in the Philippines, it is illegal to get a divorce. It is amazing how much nicer women are in countries where they do not have so many "rights". T.
Thing is when I read the book Sperm Wars even friggin monkeys know what to take to prevent pregnancy. I am beginning to wonder if we would be better off making abortion illegal and never prosecuting it like we used to do with prostitution. The feminists make it seem like without the legal right to have abortion, we would be back to women with coat hangers and horrible infection. That is not the case. There are a number of pills that cause abortion and a number of methods on line where you can use a hose with a strong flow to induce abortion.
Here is an article that shows papaya leaves induce abortion: https://journalarjgo.com/index.php/ARJGO/article/view/135
It seems like those female monkeys are some pretty smart mo fos. LOL.
Steve 9696
10-19-25, 18:57
Seeking Arrangement Jakarta.
Lots of girls on Seeking but man there is so much variance in pricing. They are all over the map.
I'm using 400 K at classic and 2 M at emporium /1001 as reference points.
Some girls are patently insane wanting 5-10 M. I had one come down to 4 M. But would not budge and I kicked her to the curb. Just seems morally wrong to pay that in Jakarta. She's a real hottie and great chat. But 4 M? Am I off base here?
I have two very hot girls signed up at 1. 5 and 2 M. That seems fair. One wouldn't budge below 3 M but I told her ok to just keep her warm. Will prob take the 1. 5 and / or 2 M girls instead. Not that I can't afford it. It just bugs me girls are getting 400 K at classic and then these girls are charging 3-4 M.
Oh and one quite plain 30 year old who I thought at least might be good in bed and cheap. She scoffed at 1. 5 M and said I can get a bar girl for that. OK. Thats what I will do!
I'the be interested in your thoughts on this.
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Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful.
Before ending this message, I will give an example of a SB I have known for a couple of years in Colombia and I am totally fine with the PPM arrangement we have in place. I have been thinking about inviting her for travel but I have seen that in the last year or so, while she is finishing up her education, she has elevated her game LOL and has been on vacations to the US a couple of times, Mexico, and the latest trip which blew me away was to Europe (London and a couple of cities in Spain). It is without doubt envy on my part but I am just amazed by her trip which I saw on Instagram, she was flown out business class from what I can tell and the accommodation was 5 star hotels in all three cities visited with Michelin star restaurants visited frequently and lots of shopping. Without a doubt, a week long trip like that was easily $10 k plus before any monetary agreement. Please forgive me for sounding envious but I just wanted to mention this experience I have come across, I understand that there will always be far bigger fish out there who spoil these SBs and to be satisfied with the existing PPM as long as its in place and focus on personal growth / achievements to elevate my career rather than waste time and energy on something like this but I felt like sharing this example with the forum.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in advance (specific examples with monetary amounts would be highly appreciated).
Gents,
After leeching off for this forum for years, I would like to provide some info which might be helpful. Would have provided it using old username but forgot the password and can't get email notifications from this site so had to create a new account (anyways that's a separate issue).
Below is based on my experience and includes my opinions, I'm sure some you will agree with and others you will disagree with. The amount provided is based on AVERAGE requested in my experience. Please keep in mind that the USD has weakened against most currencies vs the below experience.
Mexico (CDMX 2022/23) - 4,000 MXN.
Lots of options on the site and first ever city I used SA in and only visited once, looking back for me personally not worth the cost and especially the quality of SBs (especially in comparison to Colombia below which is more or less the same travel time for the most part). Majority of requests were been 3-4 k MXN, lowest around 2. 5 k and there were definitely many requests above 4 k which I didn't entertain as was too expensive in my opinion. USD was much stronger against MXN at the time.
Colombia (Bogota 2022-25) - 500 k COP.
Multiple visits. Many options and good quality. Average request used to be 400 k but has creeped up to 500 k. Besides SBs, there's many options in this country so rates vary but requests on the low end are between 3-400 k. Due to the large number of options on SA here, there are definitely better looking SBs demanding 600 k plus which has been my max but have had multiple requests close to 1 million COP which I have never entertained (even though those SBs might be better optically, in photos anyways).
Brazil (Rio 2023-24) - 600 Reias.
Limited SB options and overall low quality when compared to the two above, not sure if SA is worth it here due to vast other options. 5-600 Reias was on the lower end with some requests for the best looking SBs ranging between 750-1000 Reias. São Paulo seems to have a lot more options and I would like to try SA there in the future, however, it's wild how expensive SP is compared to the rest of Brazil when it comes to SBs or this hobby.
Argentina (Buenos Aires 2023-25) - $200 USD.
Limited SB options. Here comes the part which some of you might disagree with as everyone has their own taste, pound for pound in terms of looks, Argentinian SBs are at the top in South America. However, this also comes with stuck up attitude and a large majority of them have EU citizenship or have traveled there and they know they can demand much higher rates. Average was $200 USD for regular looking SBswhich to me is expensive given that we are in Argentina, there were many much higher requests from better looking ones ranging from $300 and even a few ridiculous requests of $600.
I would love for you gents to share your experiences and comment on the above, please also add to the list if you have experiences in other cities like Santiago and any others where you have seen a good amount of options on SA.
Steve 9696
10-21-25, 23:19
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful.
Before ending this message, I will give an example of a SB I have known for a couple of years in Colombia and I am totally fine with the PPM arrangement we have in place. I have been thinking about inviting her for travel but I have seen that in the last year or so, while she is finishing up her education, she has elevated her game LOL and has been on vacations to the US a couple of times, Mexico, and the latest trip which blew me away was to Europe (London and a couple of cities in Spain). It is without doubt envy on my part but I am just amazed by her trip which I saw on Instagram, she was flown out business class from what I can tell and the accommodation was 5 star hotels in all three cities visited with Michelin star restaurants visited frequently and lots of shopping. Without a doubt, a week long trip like that was easily $10 k plus before any monetary agreement. Please forgive me for sounding envious but I just wanted to mention this experience I have come across, I understand that there will always be far bigger fish out there who spoil these SBs and to be satisfied with the existing PPM as long as its in place and focus on personal growth / achievements to elevate my career rather than waste time and energy on something like this but I felt like sharing this example with the forum.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in advance (specific examples with monetary amounts would be highly appreciated).I've done this maybe 58 times. And it's been awesome. Always with an SB I know. In general I never discuss time with girls. Like I don't say out date will be 4-5 hrs. We just have the date. Some girls leave later thst night and some sleep over. PPM is PPM regardless of timeline.
I use this same approach when I travel a girl. If I was paying her $300/ date I will pay her $300/ day when we travel. Sometimes I try to squeeze this if it's a really expensive girl like $500. I tell her I'll give her $1000 for 3 days say.
This has always worked well because you have to like each other a lot to want to spend that time together.
I caution AGAINST the "don't pay her at all" approach. I only did this once and it destroyed our relationship. I flew her from London to LA and she agreed to not charge anything. Normally 500/ visit. Sounds great right? Well we did have a great time but she acted like a real GF in the bad sense. As in " I'm too tired. I have a headache " etc. And we had a BJ one night and that was it. At the end I told her I was done because no sex. And she was floored. She thought it was optional. Because that's the way GFs are. Nope. Done.
So don't think going free is a good idea. It's not. Pay a fair rate and keep her in SB land.
Steve 9696
10-22-25, 01:41
I've done this maybe 58 times. And it's been awesome. Always with an SB I know. In general I never discuss time with girls. Like I don't say out date will be 4-5 hrs. We just have the date. Some girls leave later thst night and some sleep over. PPM is PPM regardless of timeline.
I use this same approach when I travel a girl. If I was paying her $300/ date I will pay her $300/ day when we travel. Sometimes I try to squeeze this if it's a really expensive girl like $500. I tell her I'll give her $1000 for 3 days say.
This has always worked well because you have to like each other a lot to want to spend that time together.
I caution AGAINST the "don't pay her at all" approach. I only did this once and it destroyed our relationship. I flew her from London to LA and she agreed to not charge anything. Normally 500/ visit. Sounds great right? Well we did have a great time but she acted like a real GF in the bad sense. As in " I'm too tired. I have a headache " etc. And we had a BJ one night and that was it. At the end I told her I was done because no sex. And she was floored. She thought it was optional. Because that's the way GFs are. Nope. Done.
So don't think going free is a good idea. It's not. Pay a fair rate and keep her in SB land.Haha. Was suppose to say 5 to 8 times. Not 58.
Haha. Was suppose to say 5 to 8 times. Not 58.First of all, I would like to thank you for all your posts and the information you share. I have been reading your posts for years and always enjoy reading your detailed and fascinating experiences haha.
I would like to follow up with a few questions specifically related to travels with SBs. Once again, I understand that each SD / SB relationship is unique and each SD's capability and SB's demands will be different. Apologize if you feel some of these questions might be personal so please feel free to ignore them.
I) have you ever had relations sour with a SB if you didn't plan to fly her out business class / premium economy?
II) having traveled with SBs a few times, would you say the experience has been overall worth it for you?
III) and lastly do you think the kind of trip I described in my original post where the SD is spending easily over a minimum of $10 k plus on SB travel are more normal than we would think? Wondering if there are only a certain number of SDs willing to do so and SBs on Seeking would have to compete with others for such SDs. This is just to get an idea and hear from you based on what you might know in your SD circle or experiences you've heard through acquaintances.
My overall aim here is to gather information related to SB travel and then decide for myself if it's truly worth it. I would hate to propose the idea to a favorite SB and then things sour over details / finances involved and to make things worse for it to ruin the existing PPM relationship. Thanks.
VanessasClient
10-22-25, 07:39
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful.
Before ending this message, I will give an example of a SB I have known for a couple of years in Colombia and I am totally fine with the PPM arrangement we have in place. I have been thinking about inviting her for travel but I have seen that in the last year or so, while she is finishing up her education, she has elevated her game LOL and has been on vacations to the US a couple of times, Mexico, and the latest trip which blew me away was to Europe (London and a couple of cities in Spain). It is without doubt envy on my part but I am just amazed by her trip which I saw on Instagram, she was flown out business class from what I can tell and the accommodation was 5 star hotels in all three cities visited with Michelin star restaurants visited frequently and lots of shopping. Without a doubt, a week long trip like that was easily $10 k plus before any monetary agreement. Please forgive me for sounding envious but I just wanted to mention this experience I have come across, I understand that there will always be far bigger fish out there who spoil these SBs and to be satisfied with the existing PPM as long as its in place and focus on personal growth / achievements to elevate my career rather than waste time and energy on something like this but I felt like sharing this example with the forum.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in advance (specific examples with monetary amounts would be highly appreciated).There was only 1 girl who proved to be reliable enough to consistently keep her word in regards to travel arrangements. That girl has since given birth to the baby of another man. In fact, she found out she was pregnant on our last trip, because she was vomiting everywhere, and thought she had morning sickness, so she took a pregnancy test when we got back to our hotel. Maybe one day when her daughter asks where she was when she first found out she was pregnant, she will get a very interesting story.
I have had multiple other girls balk for any number of reasons. The success rate is VERY low. The only time I would ever advise it, is if money is completely inconsequential to you, AND you don't mind going on the trip alone, as well as not attempting to clean up the mess. By clean up the mess, I mean calling hotels and trying to get your money back on non refundable reservations, or sending documents to your credit card company to support your version of the dispute. You'll spend hours contacting tour operators, transport companies, and everything in between trying to recover from the mess the ***** left behind. So again, if you can spend very large sums of money willy nilly without even giving it a second thought, and are willing to just abandon everything when she comes up with some excuse as to why she can't make it, then yes it might be for you. In any other circumstance, not only is it not worth the financial risk, it's also not worth the headache of dealing with last minute "changes. " You will never be the priority of any one of these girls. They will place family members in front of you, not get to the airport on time, or simply choose to engage in some other activity because they are lazy and stupid. I strongly discourage trying to set up these kinds of arrangements.
Hey guys,
How is Guadalajara Seeking scene? And how is it compared to CDMX? I'm familiar with CDMX, but it seems like it is way overpriced now. Looking for a better value. Not only in terms of the ladies, but also accommodations, restaurants, etc. Plus, I have never been to GDL and new experiences is always a good thing.
Elvis 2008
10-23-25, 04:41
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful..1. If there is a good chance she may back out, do not do it! In the USA, half of my SBs backed out, and the excuse was dead father so often that my friends joked every time I made plans for a trip with a SB, there would be a rash of deaths.
2. Why are you doing it? If you are at all uncertain about a woman showing up, you should be in a place where there are other options available. Stupidly, I booked Cancun a few times which has a shit P4 P scene instead of planning a trip to Puerto Vallarta which has a great one.
3. It should not just be about sex. IMO, the woman needs to be great in bed, have an upbeat personality, be fun, and if I am spending some big scratch, she better be really hot. If you do not have that, you are better playing in the beach where you are then bringing in your own sand.
4. How are you or you and her going to be when the unexpectedly bad things happen? If the plane is on the tarmac for 5 hours, is that going to be a time from hell for you or for her? Or is it going to be a chance where you make the best of it and get to know each other?
5. We all have done the airport thing so much, we forget how irrationally and fucked up some of the rules are. Some women skate through the airports no problem. Others, fall on their faces time and again.
Trips will magnify your relationship as you really get to know each other. It can enhance them but for the less than desirable SBs it often meant the end of their time with me as I got to know them more. So trips should be reserved for the SBs you have good or great relationships with versus P4 P types of SBs.
As for other suggestions, I suggest you start domestic and do a quick jaunt before a weeks long one. Tickets are way cheaper and you will get a feel if she is worthy of a longer flight, and the women are not questioned on why they are traveling.
A single attractive girl from a poor country is going to attract suspicion of being trafficked if the country she is flying into cares about those things. Europe does not seem to be an issue, but the Americas, particularly North American countries, are skittish about single female travelers. It is much less of an issue if you accompany her.
Look up wiki and the law, the Mann Act, and see when it has been applied. I do not think anyone gives a damn if you are flying a Latina to Europe or Asia but you should know the law and have plausible deniability if confronted.
Chase has a great deal with British Airways now. I guess it was so good they already have reduced it. With me, it was spend $7500 on anything over 6 months and get 100,000 avios miles. Now it is $5000 over 3 months and 85,000 miles. Avios is mostly European airlines but they have added Qatar Air and as part of the One World alliance you can use Avios on some American Airlines flights.
For most Latinas, flying to Madrid or Barcelona is easiest for them as there is no need for a visa and they speak the language. With a few exceptions like the UK, once you are in Europe, flying around is like flying domestic, and there is no customs nonsense to deal with. Roundtrip to Madrid is 40,000 miles last I checked so you and your lady can fly to Madrid for just the $95 fee the card costs.
With Asia, there are a few flights out of Mexico that a Latina might get on. Thing is unless they have a USA visa going through the USA cannot be done. My gal's daughter is nuts about Korea and it looks like they will first fly to Madrid and then the best choices are through Qatar, Helsinki, or Istanbul. Although shorter time wise, the cost was much more. Cheap airline seats do not bother them but I cannot stand them.
Flights to Asia from the USA were cheap. Thing is there is premium economy that has business class type seats as long as you fly the Asian based airlines like Cathay Pacific or Singapore Airlines. Zip Air has business class type seating, bed like, at premium economy prices, but they have weird rules and flights are mostly to Japan which has tough visa rules. For business class to Europe, JFK in NYC is half the price of other American airports and you should look at Iceland Air or my favorite Azores Airlines as their prices for biz class are way less than competitors. The Azores islands are called the Hawaiian Islands of Europe and even though I have passed through, I wished I could have stayed there longer.
By the way, while you might be there for fun, sex, and company, the women always were wanting to show off. Too often the women were obsessed with lining their Instagram with photos.
It is the rare woman that you are not going to get bored with after a few days, and that is why the most fun trips I ever took were with two or three women. If this interests you, I suggest you do a short trip domestically with two women who are into each other and see how it goes. Funny thing with women is that if they are kissing or worse but it is part of a threesome that does not mean they are dykes but good women trying to please their man. LOL.
If you do the 2 or 3 women trip, don't do two hotel rooms. Get an Airbnb. If you do the 2 hotel rooms, the women may get comfortable in their rooms and hate to leave them.
The trips I took with two and three women were among the most fun things I ever did in my life. On those trips, the women had so much damned fun, they did not even asked to get paid. Of course, I splurged on us having fun. Good luck. And hope that helps.
NoBuglyFitches
10-23-25, 07:08
decide for myself if it's truly worth it. I would hate to propose the idea to a favorite SB and then things sour over details / finances I've done many trips with SBs, inc from SoAm.
My first advice would be to start smaller. If your SB is in Colombia, do a weekend beach trip in Colombia. Pay her, have a good time and discuss a trip to Europe. Is she fine flying Economy, do you have a good vibe to spend a week together, is it ok if you can't pay her much etc.
My second advice is to be clear with yourself about what you want to do and why. Her plane tickets to Europe, nicer hotels and restaurants than for yourself alone, plus shopping etc will get expensive.
So if you just want a pretty girl on your arm while you walk around Paris or Madrid, just use Seeking there. Her schedule, her monthly period and many other factors could screw up your expensive EU trip.
Or you're interested in this girl and are looking for a way to convert her from SB to vanilla?
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so...Your last paragraph reminded me of myself when I started using SA and feel head over heals over this SB. Rejected all the other POTs, because of this girl, maybe being naive or fresh out of a relationship but man I fancied that girl like anything only to realize it was just a dream. I will tell you why though, it was not the sex I mean at best she was a 6-7 but the affection she bestowed, checking in on you, sharing selfie pics while at work, sharing her life updates and even baking for me. LOL. We both deleted our SA account after we started the arrangement.
Few days before I had planned to take her to a 5* resort in Canary Islands for a surprise I find out she had rejoined SA long back and had another SD paying her 3 X more than what I was paying her.
Boy I was envious and jealous of that guy and then calmed down and realized there is always someone paying them more and giving them more and it is like this endless cycle which goes on and on.
So can definitely relate to how you must have felt.
In order of priority from my EU / UK experience.
1. SB Profiles are just 'profiles' until you meet. Do not fall for the sweet talk from girls pretending to be SBs. If the girl is willing to meet and asking for money upfront first time then most likely she is *not* an SB, she is just another WG.
2. Genuine SBs will have an 'agenda' for asking money upfront. You can be upfront about it and encourage the conversation for e. G how much is your budget and how much you are prepared to spend for her travel and needs. For e. G one girl who I met wanted me to buy her an iphone last year. So yes, if you see her fulfilling her lavish dreams other than of course coming to bed with me- those SBs are gems imo. Needless to mention, she was not great in bed.
3. Genuine SBs don't do clock watching. Another litmust test for WG v SB.
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
Steve 9696
10-29-25, 03:49
I often describe Seeking as a massive pile of bullshit with a diamond hidden inside. Found a diamond tonight!
So my home girl G is lotsa fun and a really nice girl. We've been together over a year. But the past couple months she's been fading a bit in the GF department. Yes the sex is still great but the rest of it. The little kisses. The affection. Making out like high schoolers. That all has kinda evaporated like it does with your wife and I already have one of those!
So I've been browsing Seeking from time to time just to see if anything else exists. It's generally a painful and depressing slog in my town and G remains top dog despite her recent shortcomings.
But when I was out with a friend Friday night I was showing him how bad Seeking is locally and came across two girls worth my time. As this never happens, I messaged them both right there in the bar.
A day or two later they both responded but one goes cold right away and the other heats up quick. She's an Indian girl (my first!) who goes to college here locally. We strike up some chat and I quickly move her to text so I don't lose her.
Then, two nights ago we agree we kinda like each other and let's go out! Happened super quick and set the date for tonight. Italian at a vibey place I know that she had not been to.
Leading up to the date, the sex talk is sending mixed signals. She says she's not on birth control because it doesn't agree with her. And I say that's ok I have a vasectomy and she says "Niceeee" so I'm thinking bareback is on. Sweet.
Then, she says can you (me) bring some lube? This sets off little alarm bells because pros need lube but "real girls" don't. But when I think this through more carefully I realize a pro wouldn't ask. And would have their own lube. Maybe she's just a complete newbie? Or one of those girls (rare) that doesn't get wet naturally.
So I respond that she shouldn't need it because I'm going to get her worked up but if she wants it she should get her own because I don't know what she will like. And she says she will get it. Ok. Def not your usual convo with a 25 year old girl.
So we plan our meetup and she shows in some cute pants and a crop top, cut strategically to show her ample cleavage. She has a gorgeous face an 8 or maybe a 9 if you like Indians and those tits are clearly top shelf naturals. Wow. I'm impressed.
You can tell she's nervous because she's very chatty, but I am a pretty masterful first date guy and put her instantly at ease and we have a lovely dinner. She confesses that she's only been on the site a week and I am her first meetup. Said once she started chatting with me she kinda ignored everyone else. Damn. Lucky break to have found her. Because she's smoking hot and innocent as an untouched farm girl. (She later confessed that I am only the third guy she's been with!
She says she gets drunk super easy and she ain't lying. She's loopy halfway into her glass of wine. And fully lit after one glass! After dinner we bounce to the vape store and get her a Geek Bar (she's thrilled because she doesn't have a car and can't get over to the next county where flavored vapes are legal).
After that we bounce to the hotel no questions. For being very new she seems comfortable with this part. Tho when we get in the room she pops under the covers fully clothed. After taking a pee I take the cue and join her fully clothed.
Doesn't take long before she lifts her head and our lips are inches apart and it's on. The French kissing is deep and passionate and I start squeezing what turn out to be the most banging set of perfect tits I've had in a long time. Perfect 34 C and firm and lovely as fuck, with responsive nipples.
Her newness to this is showing but in the best way. Just kissing and tit feeling and she's starting to pant. And once I get her bra off and start sucking those beauties she's a goner! She reaches inside my pants to get at my dick but it's pretty tight down there and before long we are both butt ass naked and ready to rumble.
Normally I'the have her blow me first, but I want to definitely get her sloppy wet so I start a slow descent from licking her nipples or licking her stomach to licking either side of her pussy or just above her clit. This teasing has her grinding and moaning and when I finally reach heaven with my tongue she's a sloppy wet mess. No lube required!
I prob spend about 15 minutes down there and she goes through all the grinding and moaning and ecstasy you might imagine culminating in a small O I don't want the big O to kinda kill things off, so I proceed to position for entry at side of bed.
But even tho she is wet as fuck she is super tight and as I ease in it's hurting her. I've been with a few really tight girls and know the remedy so I flip on my back so she can control the insert.
But first some BJ. She starts a fair BJ. No BLS at first but we fix that. And suction is a bit light but still feels good. Def got to coach her up here but not horrible.
After a bit I pull her up face to face so she can mount cowgirl at her own pace. Nonetheless it's def a struggle and she's grimacing. I coach her to go in a little and back out then in farther and back out. It's maddening but so sexy at the same time. And before you know it I'm balls deep and she's grinding like a pro!
Of course now I want to take control and fuck her and she def relaxed enough for that so I ask her what position she wants to change to and she says mish. Ok. It's on! Mounting up mish she feels heavenly and we make out like fiends while fucking. I fucking love that!
We try The Steve for a while and she seems to really like that. At one point I get one knee on the bed and we are face to face tangling tongues and I think I might get there but it fades.
We take a little break but not for long and snuggle some before I put her back on BJ. I show her harmonica but she's not super good at it. Next time! We do a bit of 69 and then it's doggie with me standing bedside. Fuck she feels really good in doggie, which most girls don't for me. I feel some build but lose it.
Eventually I flop down beside her and we have some quite interesting pillow talk. Since she's only been with three guys including me she has little frame of reference. She asks if she has a good body (yes smoking!) and how does her pussy feel compared to other girls (some are more smooth deep inside and some have more texture. She's the latter.) She finds all this fascinating and frankly it's making me a little hard again. She's also fascinated that I haven't cum yet nearly an hour in and I explain that's the way with older guys.
I had resigned myself to not cumming (need a great BJ) but have an epiphany. She brought lube! Maybe I can wank one out. So I position her at the side of the bed legs spread working her pussy while I wank with the lube.
It feels super good and her pussy is beautiful and frankly she's building to an O and her amazing firm see cups are lightly jostling as she moans and squirms and fuck it's sexy.
But what puts it over the top is when I insert a finger. I keep wanking but start to finger bang her at the same time, finger curled back and hitting her gspot. And damn she is liking this. She stops banging her clit and let's me hit her gspot and she is going nuts. And I am feeling the build. Hacking off while fingering her pussy in rhythm is amazing. I finally I shoot a nice couple shots, hitting my finger banging hand and her pussy a bit. Wow. Amazing finish.
A little more cuddle and pillow talk and we are on our way. Definite repeat! And that the way Seeking is supposed to work! A+.
AmericanPi
10-30-25, 15:32
This isn't really a seeking report. But it's the closest thing to it.
Had the opportunity to spend a week in Manila. First of all, not a great city. It's just big and trafficky and ugly.
Wanted to take out true civilian girls and bang them. So I hit up local dating sites (do your own research) and started putting out feelers to 18-22 year old cute locals. For reasons better in another post, white guys can do quite well in Philippines. There's a cultural unearned advantage.
Anyways as soon as I had a bite I'd move to WhatsApp and ask "so do you know what a sugar daddy is?" Almost all do.
And I'd make an offer that in local terms is seen as almost excessively generous. About 200 dollars to do dinner and spend the night.
Now, most couldn't. They live with their parents and need to be home at night, even as adults. And many pleaded to just be OK staying out late. Some even offered up their friends who had more lax situations at home.
I had time, and patience, and wanted my nights to go well. So I kept my eye on the prize: hot, 18-22, staying the night. This took work. Maybe 30 messages sent per girl to come out the bottom of the funnel.
But goddamn was it worth it.
Two highlights in particular.
One girl who was not as cute in person but was so earnest and innocent. Turned out she'd only had sex with one guy before. She was so self conscious it was actually cute. Was a straight A student who just graduated college and couldn't land her first job and was thankful for the money. She texted me afterwards to ask me if she sexually satisfied me. She wanted to make sure.
The other one was an 18 year old from the province who took a bus 3 hours to meet me. She just wanted to do something out of character. She's bored living in a rural area and I gave her an opportunity to come to a 5 star hotel and be doted on. We ended up spending 2.5 days together. Took her to a museum, to cool restaurants and bars. Bought her some clothes that were so cute but cost very little by American standards.
She was such a tight bone it was crazy. The next day told me she didn't want to tell me she was a virgin because she was afraid I wouldn't want to be with her. I was kinda bummed because if I had known I just would have approached the night differently. It was interesting to see how after 10 sex sessions (we had a lot of sex) a girl goes from being super tight to more or less how she'll be.
It was really sad to leave that behind.
Steve 9696
10-30-25, 17:15
This isn't really a seeking report. But it's the closest thing to it.
Had the opportunity to spend a week in Manila. First of all, not a great city. It's just big and trafficky and ugly.
Wanted to take out true civilian girls and bang them. So I hit up local dating sites (do your own research) and started putting out feelers to 18-22 year old cute locals. For reasons better in another post, white guys can do quite well in Philippines. There's a cultural unearned advantage.
Anyways as soon as I had a bite I'd move to WhatsApp and ask "so do you know what a sugar daddy is?" Almost all do.
And I'd make an offer that in local terms is seen as almost excessively generous. About 200 dollars to do dinner and spend the night.
Now, most couldn't. They live with their parents and need to be home at night, even as adults. And many pleaded to just be OK staying out late. Some even offered up their friends who had more lax situations at home.
I had time, and patience, and wanted my nights to go well. So I kept my eye on the prize: hot, 18-22, staying the night. This took work. Maybe 30 messages sent per girl to come out the bottom of the funnel.
But goddamn was it worth it.
Two highlights in particular.
One girl who was not as cute in person but was so earnest and innocent. Turned out she'd only had sex with one guy before. She was so self conscious it was actually cute. Was a straight A student who just graduated college and couldn't land her first job and was thankful for the money. She texted me afterwards to ask me if she sexually satisfied me. She wanted to make sure.
The other one was an 18 year old from the province who took a bus 3 hours to meet me. She just wanted to do something out of character. She's bored living in a rural area and I gave her an opportunity to come to a 5 star hotel and be doted on. We ended up spending 2.5 days together. Took her to a museum, to cool restaurants and bars. Bought her some clothes that were so cute but cost very little by American standards.
She was such a tight bone it was crazy. The next day told me she didn't want to tell me she was a virgin because she was afraid I wouldn't want to be with her. I was kinda bummed because if I had known I just would have approached the night differently. It was interesting to see how after 10 sex sessions (we had a lot of sex) a girl goes from being super tight to more or less how she'll be.
It was really sad to leave that behind.This is 100% the shit we live for! Taking a poor country girl and showing her an amazing time. Dedicated amazing GF for a few days. And then rock on. You banked (banged?) an amazing experience. And will no doubt do it again. Awesome.
Steve 9696
10-31-25, 15:28
Of course many of us love a seeking girl who is very real and not a full time pro. I was just thinking back on the girls I've seen and here is a list of professions. Some of these I've seen multiple girls in that job category.
Waitress.
College Student.
Customer Service Rep.
Yoga Instructor.
Stripper.
Med Student.
Office Manager.
Receptionist.
Care Giver.
Maid.
Law Student.
Gamer. Influencer.
Chemist.
Actress.
Model.
Office Admin.
Cashier.
Claims Specialist.
Retail.
DJ.
PR Specialist.
Amazon warehouse worker.
Purchasing Agent.
Of course the common theme is they don't make a lot of money! But it's been so much fun to have a slice of life with these gorgeous and fun women.
TedFerguson
11-02-25, 06:33
Recently arrived in Bangkok and while the city has cool things to do, it's not exactly comfortable and challenging to find connection here. Most of the women (or people even) I've talked to behave like NPCs (non player characters for those of you who don't play video games), as in you have a very limited number of things you can talk to them about or do with them, but when you try to go beyond this, it doesn't go well. There's only so much sticky rice one can eat before getting tired and looking for greener pastures.
I prefer places where you can walk to get food (preferably organic), walk to the gym, and generally have a good routine which allows for productivity. The best places for me were in Spain and Portugal, where the girls were close to LatAm hot yet the quality of life was European-grade. I have a friend visiting Taiwan in late December so I'd like to stick around but don't think anywhere in this area fits that bill.
- Kuala Lumpur has similarly amazing food to Thailand, but the scene is dead. Their local sugar website, sugar book, seems like a scammy mix between Seeking and OnlyFans.
- Bali seems cool, but you'd have to be ok with scootering everywhere and the injury risk that goes along with that. And paying exorbitant prices for non-local girls.
- Jakarta doesn't seem comfortable to live in, although the Seeking action is there even if the girls are mid-level in looks. I've been traumatized by mosques waking me up at 6:30 am in Muslim countries.
- Vietnam would not be more comfortable than Thailand, and the girls would be more distant.
- Taiwan would be more comfortable, but the girls seem pretty much nonexistent.
- Manila would probably be the best option for Seeking, with cute girls that speak English and communicate well. But the food seems to be straight up bad, like even worse than US food.
- Singapore would probably work, albeit at a high price. Airbnb is banned so I'd have to find a serviced apartment. This might be the only option beyond just hunkering down in Bangkok and finding a reasonably comfy place near the BTS, and accepting the country's limitations?
For those with more experience, did I miss anything?
AmericanPi
11-02-25, 15:49
Recently arrived in Bangkok and while the city has cool things to do, it's not exactly comfortable and challenging to find connection here. Most of the women (or people even) I've talked to behave like NPCs (non player characters for those of you who don't play video games), as in you have a very limited number of things you can talk to them about or do with them, but when you try to go beyond this, it doesn't go well. There's only so much sticky rice one can eat before getting tired and looking for greener pastures.
I prefer places where you can walk to get food (preferably organic), walk to the gym, and generally have a good routine which allows for productivity. The best places for me were in Spain and Portugal, where the girls were close to LatAm hot yet the quality of life was European-grade. I have a friend visiting Taiwan in late December so I'd like to stick around but don't think anywhere in this area fits that bill.
- Kuala Lumpur has similarly amazing food to Thailand, but the scene is dead. Their local sugar website, sugar book, seems like a scammy mix between Seeking and OnlyFans.Since I was just in Manila I can speak on this one.
The girls are quite hot, acquiescent, speak English, and require very little money to be considered very generous. Also the city is cheap as hell. You can get a 2 hour massage in a 4 star place for like 30 bucks.
And I disagree about the food. It's true that Filipino food sucks. But I ate that all of zero times. There's plenty of international cuisine at four star places and it can be had cheaply.
Despite all that I don't quite recommend Manila. Why? It's just a boring city. I don't know how to describe it but there's nothing really to do. It's hot and humid, and they have a lot of shopping malls. So many shopping malls. But there are no interesting neighborhoods and nice architecture and things to visit or see or do. Really all there is to do is take girls to dinner and bang them. But apart from that it's just a large nondescript anonymous bland city.
VanessasClient
11-03-25, 01:55
Hmmm, I've been to Asia before, but it's not a frequent repeat for me. Most of the places in that general are are hot and humid year round. Frequent problems with invasive insects, and unless you are super thin, you'll be sweating all the time you are outside, at risk for things like jungle rot, etc. Lots of problems with poor air quality, and that area in general is subject to natural disasters; earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, etc.
Taiwan is actually one of your better options, but because the economic opportunities there are usually good, there's not a lot of women who work in prostitution. They are out there, but you have to dig a little deeper to find them. I think you'll generally find more working girls in the southern and eastern part of the country, but those areas tend to be less developed with less major access to resources.
If I were going to go to a place that has that many problems with traffic, air pollution, and general noise / bustle, I would just go to South America. More risk of armed robbery and similar violent crimes, but everything else is better. Similar time zone, plus Spanish and Portuguese are generally much easier to learn than the Oriental languages.
Just my 2 cents.
Recently arrived in Bangkok and while the city has cool things to do, it's not exactly comfortable and challenging to find connection here. Most of the women (or people even) I've talked to behave like NPCs (non player characters for those of you who don't play video games), as in you have a very limited number of things you can talk to them about or do with them, but when you try to go beyond this, it doesn't go well. There's only so much sticky rice one can eat before getting tired and looking for greener pastures.
I prefer places where you can walk to get food (preferably organic), walk to the gym, and generally have a good routine which allows for productivity. The best places for me were in Spain and Portugal, where the girls were close to LatAm hot yet the quality of life was European-grade. I have a friend visiting Taiwan in late December so I'd like to stick around but don't think anywhere in this area fits that bill.
- Kuala Lumpur has similarly amazing food to Thailand, but the scene is dead. Their local sugar website, sugar book, seems like a scammy mix between Seeking and OnlyFans.
- Bali seems cool, but you'd have to be ok with scootering everywhere and the injury risk that goes along with that. And paying exorbitant prices for non-local girls.
- Jakarta doesn't seem comfortable to live in, although the Seeking action is there even if the girls are mid-level in looks. I've been traumatized by mosques waking me up at 6:30 am in Muslim countries.
- Vietnam would not be more comfortable than Thailand, and the girls would be more distant.
- Taiwan would be more comfortable, but the girls seem pretty much nonexistent.
- Manila would probably be the best option for Seeking, with cute girls that speak English and communicate well. But the food seems to be straight up bad, like even worse than US food.
- Singapore would probably work, albeit at a high price. Airbnb is banned so I'd have to find a serviced apartment. This might be the only option beyond just hunkering down in Bangkok and finding a reasonably comfy place near the BTS, and accepting the country's limitations?
For those with more experience, did I miss anything?
TedFerguson
11-03-25, 02:58
I should mention that I prefer sugar arrangements, prefer to repeat and stay weeks to months if I like a place. This feels much easier in LatAm, but I still wouldn't go back there because the quality of life is just better in Europe and while more digging is required, many Latinas there too. I got Malaysian sugarbook to work yesterday (needed setting my VPN to Kuala Lumpur), and there are at least enough options to try 1 week there. Once I find a VPN which lets me set my location to Taipei (or if I'm there in person), I'll give it a try there as well. I did see some FLs on MassageRepublic claiming they were students in Taipei, although the prices were high (300). Still, to check off Taiwanese girl from the list, it might work.
Regarding Manila, boring sounds perfect More encouragement to work. The concern I have with the food is that the raw ingredients will suck. As I understand it, the Philippines is bad at growing food so they import a lot of it. Imported food just doesn't taste as good as locally fresh. Unlike Bangkok or even Ho Chi Minh City, there are no dedicated organic stores with produce I've found in Manila. Some stuff is sold at higher end supermarkets, but it seems imported. When I look at their restaurants, it literally seems like they copied the US system for food and eating. Which is quite possibly the worst system outside of starvation: the Maybe I'm wrong, and will try to make at least 1 week's time for it.
TedFerguson
11-06-25, 15:21
Filled with pros from out of town asking outrageous prices (10 k-20 k baht), a pale local girl who wants to be your Asian spinner fantasy for just 25 k baht, and my personal favorite, a local girl who asked me "what condo are you staying at" because she wanted to "know my lifestyle". When we talked about her job, she mentioned having a hair salon, nail salon, real estate and restaurant business. Wonder how she got those by 26.
ThaiFriendly is apparently geared to short-time hookups at your apartment. Closest I got to a real date with decent English is a girl from TF who is leaving Bangkok for the islands and deleted her account. As Steve said in a previous post, when in Bangkok, do Bangkok (meaning the bar scene). Which might be a short-term solution, but is so not my scene. Heading to Manila.
Steve 9696
11-10-25, 07:39
Had a nice time last night with a lovely seeking girl. Wasn't totally the best in some respects. But what a sweet and earnest girl really doing her best.
We met on Seeking Jakarta three weeks ago and had great chat. She was one of the few that was a combination of nice, non-pro and reasonable for the market.
Turns out she is brand new to Seeking and I am her first date. This is quite apparent in chat when she asks for example if we meet up twice does she get allowance / gift each time! 😝She is really just a sweet, poor girl trying to figure it out.
I decide to show her the time of her life and book dinner at Henshin (67th floor of the Westin) and a corner suite at the Westin with a view to die for. She is a little late but I am an easy going guy.
When she arrives she is clearly lovely but a shade off my type due to her green eyes and even more petite than my usual petite taste. Tiniest little thing on the planet. Regardless a very pretty girl.
She is shy and little embarrassed about her English though it's very good. I speak very slowly and we able to converse. She is over the moon about the venue (it IS stunning) and of course the food and service are great.
After dinner we bounce down a floor to the bar, which also has a panoramic view. She didn't drink during dinner, but has two baileys afterwards which I think takes that nervous edge off.
We bounce to the room with little discussion and you can tell she is shy and nervous. I encircle her waist at the window and get some initial touch going. Still a bit shy.
At some point I sit on the bed and have her face me as our faces are now perfectly aligned. But she's a bit shy and turns her back to me but still between my legs. I put my hands on her waist but shortly slide them up to her tiny A cup tits. Working them in circles gets her going and after a bit she turns her head towards me for a kiss.
Things flow much more naturally after her fuse has been lit. And it's not long before she has my dick out and doing a darn good blowjob. We shed our clothes fully and continue. I am thoroughly surprised that for a petite girl she can 90% deep throat my cock. Overall solid BJ points.
I think this girl needed a good fucking because when I go to do DATY I get her pretty worked up just on the approach and when I hit her clit it's like electroshock! Honestly I am only down there maybe two minutes and she just can't take it.
That's ok. Let's move to some sex then. She needs two or three reassurances that I won't cum inside (she is very nervous about this even tho she knows I've had a vasectomy— but fair play, she doesn't know me.) But it's on after that.
With most of the indo girls I've been with it's been a slow and careful insertion over 30-60 seconds and she is similar. But for a girl as tiny as her, I am amazed she can take me balls deep once we get going.
We do all the usual positions. She seems to really enjoy the Steve, as she cranes her neck forward so we can watch my hard cock impaling her tiny body.
I can't cum in the end despite really great fucking and a solid BJ. Too much fucking and too much drink. She is very concerned about this but I assure her it's fine. And it was def not her fault.
I slip 2 M for the date plus 200 K taxi and 300 K for the dress she bought for dinner in her purse. When she finds it later she is overjoyed and I think a little incredulous that she could have an amazing evening, amazing sex, AND come out ahead. Truly a nice girl and a nice time.
VanessasClient
11-21-25, 09:31
Another real life example from the not too distant past. This is with a former Seeking girl; her profile is no longer active.
We negotiate over a month in advance, and this is someone I have physical experience within in the past. I'm going to her country, but not to her particular city. The city I am visiting is a few hours away by land, so she agrees she will pay for the ground transport herself.
So, the morning of, I contact her. The response I get indicates that not only did she not reserve / purchase a bus ticket already, but she doesn't even know the goddamn bus schedule, or even what bus company she will use! As if it wasn't bad enough she did not take the initiative to be prepared for the trip, she doesn't even know when the buses depart, which leaves me in the position of not knowing what time she will arrive. And like I said, she is multiple hours away, and I had initially hoped to coordinate our first day with the approximate time my flight lands, and when I get to the hotel. That's not to mention the bus potentially selling out of empty seats due to trying to get a ticket at the last minute.
So what happens next? She makes some "semi rude" remarks to me, as if I've done something wrong by politely asking her to stick to the original plan. And her excuse for not upholding her original end of the deal? She's complaining about the weather.
So how does this play out for me? I don't get to see her the first day at all, as we had previously agreed. Instead I spend the remainder of the afternoon and evening exploring the area around the hotel, and going to dinner by myself.
So the next day, she finally gets to the bus station. But rather than attempting to rectify the situation by getting there first thing when they open in the morning, she gets there in the afternoon instead. The bus doesn't leave until it's almost dark outside, so by the time she gets to me, it's really late at night. So I also missed the afternoon and most of the evening of the 2nd day too.
Granted that after she arrived, her behavior was mostly appropriate and on par. And to be fair, I will lend credence to her in that she did get legitimately sick. Thankfully nothing contagious, but something I know with 100% certainty was real. It's not the kind of "illness" you can fake. Imagine someone having an allergic reaction to food for instance; if their face turns red and their throat starts swelling to the extent they cannot breathe, this obviously is not something you can fake.
Anyway, we had agreed beforehand that I give her xxx and she's comfortable having sex at least once per day. In the end I only get half the amount of sex I hoping for, but on top of that, I basically miss two full afternoons and evenings, and even one morning that we should have had together. And that's besides the fact that I paid for a wasted night for her room reservation at the hotel.
It just goes to show you that the value you get may not necessarily be what you originally agreed to. In this particular case I don't regret the experience because I still had fun overall. But my financial risks in this scenario were VERY low. I wasn't paying for her to come to me, and I had only prepaid for one night at the hotel as a deposit. If she was a no call no show, I could just lock my credit card, and if the hotel attempted to charge the remaining balance after I checked out, at worst I could just dispute it if it somehow managed to get past the card lock.
Some people talk of setting up flights half way across the world, and spending numerous weeks or months together. Doing that is a WAY bigger financial risk than I would have been on the hook for if things go completely south. Especially if you throw in non refundable tickets for popular events that tend to sell out weeks in advance (think Coco Bongo or similar). In this case I was lucky that it was ground transportation, and she was footing the bill. But it also demonstrates that unexpected illness, injury, natural disasters, or other "uncontrollable" factors can interfere. Take your chances if you want, but if I do this in the future, I'm either playing a VERY conservative hand, or I'm likely not doing it at all. Unless the girl steps up to the plate and takes the initiative on some of the expenses, which I would agree to reimburse later. But let's be honest; how many girls working in this industry either have the money to do that, or are willing to trust a guy based on his word alone. If I ever find any foreign travel insurance that allows cancel at any time, for any reason, I will let you know. Until then, my risk tolerance for these kinds of arrangements will be VERY low.
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