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I always thought women would wise up by their mid 30's but I guess not. Here in Los Angeles, they are older but still think they can have the mentality and compete with the 20 yearolds the level of Delulu is amazing.And even when they grudgingly admit that they can't compete, even if privately or among friends, it's never anything about them as women, but rather about faults in men who should be ashamed for desiring younger women. Western society does the best job of trying to make men feel guilty about this.
Elvis 2008
09-20-25, 02:32
Any logical and rational woman reading this post would realize that chasing perfection is highly counter productive. For no other reason than the fact that you will never be satisfied; nor is it a healthy line of thinking to begin with. I realize this sub forum is mainly meant to be about Seeking, and not dating philosophy. However; I'm willing to bet, that significant number of guys would not resort to using Seeking, were the dating market, most especially in the USA, not a teeming pile of shit!A female coworker was giving me a ride to the airport and we stopped off to get something to eat.
Anyway, I tell this woman that I am dating multiple women and doubt I will ever see one woman again, and she said, "Oh, I could not go out with a guy who dates other women. " I did a double take. WTF? You thought I was interested in you? It cracked me up because women who size me up do not have any idea of my standards. My own mother asked me, "Why do you only see gorgeous women?" and my response was because I can.
And this is what I thought to myself "normal" dating is and was. You tell the woman what she wants to hear not the truth, and the default settings are monogamy, protecting the woman no matter how dumb she may be, and providing for her regardless of how she behaves.
I was going to see a SB of mine later that night. Her GFs compared her to a super model, and I have to pretend that I did not hear this woman or lie and act that I was so disappointed that she was not interested in me? I wanted to get on my phone and show the pic of my SB and say, "This is the hot 25-year-old who I am fucking. You are overweight and 55. How can you compete with that?
This is the deal with "regular dating" and what is "normal" and "accepted". What guy is happy with those rules? And guys brag about winning under these rules. The only smart way is to not play that game but play your own: No honey. No money, but still, we enjoy each other's company. I will fuck who I want and you can do likewise. Either one of us can leave at any time and no hurt feelings when it ends. For the most part, I kept my game under wraps for a while but eventually I let people in and they saw what I was doing.
Most people were happy when I was happy, but the two women most close to me honestly including my widowed mother were threatened. I think they liked to think the women who were P4P were these meth addicts, but the reality is they were the mother of two, a personal trainer, a teacher. The women were not strange. They were their neighbors.
And the other part was these women held out they were special but in reality, I think they were afraid of having to compete with other women who offer up sex and companionship more easily. They might be left behind. They do not like the reality that sex and companionship could be obtained so cheaply. Haven't they been told that they deserve half a man's assets because they are so special? LOL.
On this forum, there was guy in the Medellin section calling SBs hookers, and I laughed. There was a private detective on the youtube channel of Pearl Davis. He estimated that 50% of all women between the ages of 18 to 25 did some kind of sex work, and I think that very few of the remaining 50% are hotties that were morally opposed. Thing is if you add in the frigid, the lesbians, the ugly, the ones who would be terrible at it, and my guess is that you would see very few women morally opposed to selling their bodies for sex.
And the guys who have not used seeking are like, "All seeking women are hookers. " as if the typical SB was the equivalent of the drug addict on the streets selling themselves for one more hit.
Yes, one in three women have had an abortion. One in four women have had an STD. Women have 80% of the world's debt. 90% of women were virgins when married a century ago. Now 5% are. At higher education levels, 90% of the supposedly smartest and most successful women are the ones filing for divorce and it is not because of abuse but because they think there is better and from what I have seen, most of the women regret divorcing later.
What cracks me up is that I have followed the women I have seen on social media and so many of them are married now. They are taking photos and proudly showing off their new lives, and I am just shaking my head. Do the guys get what they are marrying? Do the guys get that their women may be carrying on with a SD even after marriage? When the men talk of women who are not prostitutes, I want to ask them where does that place exist? Where is this valley of young stunningly attractive, hardworking, selfless, morally centered chaste virgins who are of sound judgment and add value to the lives of men?
And the answer to that question is they only exist in the minds of men. Men are that delusional too and to be honest, VC, until men get real themselves about women, the dating market is still going to suck.
This is the deal with "regular dating" and what is "normal" and "accepted". What guy is happy with those rules? And guys brag about winning under these rules. The only smart way is to not play that game but play your own.And that's why I'm gladly by my own damn self.
Most men are just trapped in the matrix. If you want children then I understand being married but men who don't want kids but want to get married to have sex make no sense. But that's just life, when I was younger I was with the herd like everyone else trying to find love and get married. Now I'm out of the matrix, I love my peace and quiet. I couldn't imagine being dragged to do things I don't want to do just to make the wife happy.
Intelligencium
09-22-25, 20:10
Hi folks,
I am heading over the New Orleans / NOLA over the weekend. Any experience mongering in New Orleans? SA seems to have a decent supply, so I started chatting with a few. I am curious if anyone has any experience there and can also share the going rate. Also any other mongering tips? Strip clubs? Massage parlors?
Regardless I will share my experience once back!Coming back to report as promised!
Short version: NOLA is not bad for sugaring. I saw quite a few options on seeking, messaged about 30, got reply from around 10, moved on to text (their preferred way, unlike in Europe where they prefer Whatsapp or Telegram) with 5. PPM quotes ranged from 200-700. Met 2 girls, 1 catfished me but had an great time with the other girl.
Long version:
I was going to be in New Orleans Friday evening to Sunday evening, so started exploring options on seeking and messaging girls. One 18 yo old quoted 200, but I was suspicious. She looked quite older than 18. She then asked for $50 for some pictures and I dumped here right there and then. Setup a time with another girl (black, 25 y) for Friday 6 pm. She looked like an 8 from her pictures and quoted 350. But there were couple of yellow / red flags that I should have paid attention to. Once I reached hotel, I asked her to do a video call before coming in.
First, in the afternoon she asked if I can send her 50 bucks ("so that I can go out for lunch") and in exchange she will send me pics and I can pay her 300 only when we finally meet. I refused. She was ok to still meet. Second, she didn't want to do video chat on seeking app, and instead wanted to use snapchat. I insisted on seeking app (since I don't have snap), but somehow due to "technical difficulties" we couldn't connect on seeking. So finally I installed snap and had a quick call. She looked the same as her pics, but later I realized she must have used some filter to make her look thinner (surprise surprise: she was fat in person). Third, she insisted on me to call an Uber for her ("because I don't have any money" . Like wtf, you can't put it on your credit card? I wasn't comfortable using my app for her, so we finally agreed that she can call a cab and I can pay for it when she comes.
When she finally came, the cab bill was much higher than expected uber bill (but I paid), and she looked different than her pics. I should have gone with my gut feeling and told her to leave right then (after paying her for return trip). But I recently read on the forum how you guys liked black girls, so I thought I will try. And it was my first evening in the city and I didn't want to ruin my mood.
Anyways, we went up the room since she wasn't interested in drinking. After a bit of chit chat she took some clothes off and I was already not feeling it. She wasn't obese, but quite fat for my taste. Another red flag: she asked where's the 350. In my opinion, most girls who ask that are usually very transactional. I still gave it a chance thinking maybe she will be good in bed and try to please me. But nah. Her mouth smelled of cigarette, and her huge boobs were sweaty. Her first action when I came close was trying to pull on my dick to make it hard. No foreplay. I tried to tell her that I prefer that you act like my girlfriend, slow down, let's kiss a bit etc, but she was clearly a transactional kind of person. She wanted to get my dick hard, put a condom on it ASAP and get it over with. So, we did that. And that was terrible. Haha. I thought for a second to not give her the full 350, but I was in no mood to fight. Had her go and blocker her number.
After shower I pinged a few more girls on seeking asking if they are free tonight. One hottie (white, 29 y) replied and we quickly moved to text. She asked me for a quote. I said 400, given that she was hotter than the 350 girl and 400 still felt cheap by US standards. From pics she was an 8. This one was quick to set some boundaries: no overnight stays, condom always on, send me an uber etc. I was impressed. I told her I cannot send an uber, but I am happy to pay for it. We did a video chat and there was one yellow flag: she kept on showing only part of her face. When I complained about that to her that over text, she sent a video with the full face + body.
Anyways, we agreed to meet at the lobby bar to have some drinks and go from there. She came in a slightly slutty dress, which was not quite right for the hotel lobby bar, but it was a huge step up from the other girl who didn't want to drink and came in jeans+hoodie+hat. Anyways, this one looked the same as her pics (yay! But I realized why she never opened her mouth in her pics or the video chat -- because she had crooked front teeth. Man, these girls and their insecurities. I didn't care about that at all, so we continued. After a few drinks and during chit-chat somehow the topic of strip clubs came up. I asked if she wanted to go, she was eager, so we did. Spent the next 2-3 hours in between two strip clubs (barely legal and hustlers) on bourbon street. We had a lot of fun, sitting at the chairs by the stage and throwing (my) singles at the ladies. She wanted to get a lap dance, but couldn't find anyone she really liked, so we finally came back to my room.
Once in the room, she went to the restroom and came out naked. A solid 8. Lovely smooth creamy white skin and clean shaven. I took my clothes off too, and then we started making out on the bed. Lots of deep french kissing that really turned me on. She then went down on me, and started giving a sloppy blow job. After a while, I asked to do a 69. And during 69, she also went down on my balls and everything in there. Quite a feeling. I hadn't had a 69 in quite a while and she was so into it that it frankly made the whole trip worth it (the things we do to chase a feeling.). After a while, I asked her to "sit on me". I had heard that it is something to try. I didn't quite get it. It felt like giving her an oral but in a different orientation? Or maybe she was not sitting correctly? Anyways, we went back to 69 after a while and then she wanted me to put on the condom and fuck her. We first did a doggie for a while and I finally finished in missionary. We kissed a little after cleanup, talked a bit while laying on the bed, made plans for Saturday (next day) and she finally left.
Next day we both woke up quite late, I did some sightseeing in the afternoon and made plans to meet her in the night. She wanted to go for dinner today, which is not something I like. I find that fucking after eating is never too pleasant. So I planned to have dinner around 9 pm, then hit some local music / jazz clubs to drink / enjoy for a couple hours before coming to the room. Since I had some free time before that, I started talking to another girl. She was a 7/8 in pics and quoted 350. But we couldn't quite match our schedule so it didn't happen. Talked to another hottie. A single mom, maybe a 8 or a 9. But she quoted 700 and was also not very responsive on text (send one word text like, yes or okay). So I bailed on her too.
At 9 pm, I met the girl from the night before. We enjoyed the dinner, but the jazz / music club scene didn't look too appealing. It was Saturday night and frenchman street was packed and a bit wild for my taste. We decided to go to a strip club again. Went to penthouse this time, which I heard was more upscale and had better looking ladies. Turned out to be true. This time we sat back away from the stage. Few drinks later, finally found a girl she liked and got her a lapdance. It was an interesting experience seeing a hottie ogle another hottie trying hard not to touch her. Anyways, back into my room, this time the sex was still fun, but it didn't compare well with last night. There was a lot of interest and intent, but we were both a bit less drunk and a bit more stuffed (dinner was a mistake! Some light massage, then oral and then fuck. A bit more talking and bye.
It was only 1 am, and I didn't feel like I was fully done, so decided to go out. Went to a strip club called Visions, which is away from tourist places, had a terrible time there. I heard that out of menu options are possible there, but the girls were quite ugly so I bailed after 30 minutes. Came back to penthouse, had a few fun lapdances and ended with a 30 min with a 9. No extras but it was quite hot as we made out a lot and she made sure to keep my dick hard the whole time. Came back to the hotel room at 6 am and couldn't do much on Sunday as I woke up quite late and didn't really have the hotel room for too long after waking up.
Overall, it was a fun trip. I will keep in touch with the girl I met twice, and will try to visit again so that I can explore other options. Found the asking rates surprisingly cheap for a US city. Also learned some lessons on how to spot yellow / red flags.
Steve 9696
09-23-25, 00:29
Outstanding report Intelli. And yes you win some and lose some. Not 50% we hope but glad you bagged a good one. Always makes the other BS fade to noise. And yes me and my buds have been able to find 300-400 type girls ina few different places. Only Las Vegas and LA seem to have serious golden pussy syndrome.
As has been discussed slim white girls seem to command a premium. So looks like you got a bit lucky there. Great job.
Elvis 2008
09-23-25, 00:53
Most men are just trapped in the matrix. If you want children then I understand being married but men who don't want kids but want to get married to have sex make no sense. But that's just life, when I was younger I was with the herd like everyone else trying to find love and get married. Now I'm out of the matrix, I love my peace and quiet. I couldn't imagine being dragged to do things I don't want to do just to make the wife happy.What is so sad is your post is correct based on the time we are in now and where we are. The reason you might marry a woman is if she adds value to your life. You are basically saying that few if any women do just that and with very rare exceptions, I totally agree.
What today's women do not get is men should prefer hookers who make them feel good even if for a short period of time over parasites who suck their life and money out of them without possibly even bringing in sex. IOW, fucking a man is looked down in female circles as being a hooker. Fucking a man over and not fucking him is admired. The slang term for men who do not spend to give a woman a luxury lifestyle is dusty.
And things are so fucked up women are actually bragging about being parasites. Look at the title of this book: I Bring Nothing to The Table: a Level Up Concept.
And here is the author so impressed with herself being a parasite and reading from her own book: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vyUcTrZ8bHU
And I think this chick is fat!
But if you think that is bad and that woman has nearly a million followers, here is one with 8 million. Go to the 2:28 mark on this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuapP1Q8qJM
What is so amazing is this woman plays the victim and the snob. I am not at a table; I am on the ground". And then she says that ony dates guys who are at the table and have plenty to eat.
And then, "I just need to bring my presence, my personality, and my beauty. " Yeah, you forgot your snatch honey. That is what men only care about with a woman like you.
And there was this beaut: "No man who is willing to provide will ever ask what you bring to the table". Yeah when we are dealing with escorts, we do not ask what they bring to the table, and she is behaving like one, well, actually worse than one.
Is it any wonder guys are happier with escorts and SBs? Hell, at least from a guy's perspective, SBs and escorts are honest.
Hooker = gives pussy for rent (kissing is optional / discretion / added cost).
Dating = kissing is must, getting a pussy is chancing / optional.
The above is binary equation with a hidden cash variable, of course, all from a man's perspective!
What is so sad is your post is correct based on the time we are in now and where we are. The reason you might marry a woman is if she adds value to your life. You are basically saying that few if any women do just that and with very rare exceptions, I totally agree.
What today's women do not get is men should prefer hookers who make them feel good even if for a short period of time over parasites who suck their life and money out of them without possibly even bringing in sex. IOW, fucking a man is looked down in female circles as being a hooker. Fucking a man over and not fucking him is admired. The slang term for men who do not spend to give a woman a luxury lifestyle is dusty.
And things are so fucked up women are actually bragging about being parasites. Look at the title of this book: I Bring Nothing to The Table: a Level Up Concept..
The reason you might marry a woman is if she adds value to your life. You are basically saying that few if any women do just that and with very rare exceptions, I totally agree.It always seems that when it comes to discussions of the pussy, it's easy to find common ground. To me, most women would not / do not add value, but instead are a drag focused one-sidedly on you the man bringing value to their lives, while believing it to be their goal to make yours miserable (I have literally heard multiple American women say this, allegedly jokingly, about making a guy's life miserable). And, from the man's perspective, for this what pray tell? Love? Then a costly divorce? That's what societal indoctrination tells us (minus talk of the cost of divorce of course). As a lifelong contrarian, to that I say GTFOH!
Also another reason why these short term flings are the best is you get your girl at her best with makeup dolled up to the max. They are on their best behavior to please you.
One of the biggest scams men have to endure is the disappointment when she takes off her fake painted face. This is something women will never have to deal with as men don't look like a completely different person after washing their face. Ultimately its not fair since women need to compete against fake faces and then men just get used to that look as standard hurting everyone in the end.
WaltoDerri
09-24-25, 01:36
Has anyone been successful in ban evasion? I got booted unfairly by a scorned former SB who reported me for "soliciting" which is hilarious given that aint none of them fucking for free. I have been trying new emails, VPN, new device and get booted as soon as it scans by face. Is their facial recognition tech that good? They won't event let me appeal and refuse to speak to me for a reinstatement. Money wasted. I would appreciate any help as I am not even getting messages back on SDM or alternative sites.
VanessasClient
09-24-25, 05:56
I think many of the people who have replied about the US dating market have some valid points. We could spend the next decade on this forum debating the matter, but I believe the bottom line is this: most men in the US are not happy with their amorous lives. If they were, wouldn't be having this conversation. Not just on ISG, but all over the internet, and in various podcasts, public discourse, and pretty much everywhere else. My personal suspicion is that this will not change any time soon, if ever.
I think part of the issue is that men and women have experienced very little biological change when compared to historical times. Men, to a grand ratio, still have much higher testosterone levels than women, and want sex much more frequently. But, we are no longer running around as hunter gatherers, and bringing more food back to the camp than the tribesman standing next to you, and thus winning sex from the lady's seal of approval. Technology has managed to accomplish many great things, but it's also thrown a gargantuan wrench into how sexual relationships used to function. Attributing some of that to modern birth control methods.
But most women are only going to listen to other women, particularly ones who are flaunting great wealth, and other desirable lifestyles that they have conceded to, as as result of their own uncontrollable envy. Let me ask you something. Do you think women should be sitting behind the red launch buttons at nuclear missile silos? That seems awfully logical to me; it's not like they could have woken up on the wrong side of the bed, and just decide to press that button because their PMS is nagging them. No, did you know that nuclear weapon facilities require 2 separate keys, with a significant distance between them, to be activated simultaneously in order to deploy a weapon? This prevents one person from going crazy and causing an inadvertent launch. This isn't to punish women, it's for the greater good of the public.
Yet people advocating "feminism" are trying to make the assertion that there are absolutely no physiological nor psychological differences between men and women. So when I say that women should not be sitting on guard at nuclear missile silos, and should also not be filling other roles that require a very high degree of rational thinking, I get called a misogynist. Wrong answer: I also believe there are certain roles that men should not fill, either.
This isn't a male or female matter. The issue is that people who are easily influenced, really should not be hanging around the internet too much. Nor should they be hanging around cult leaders, gurus, televangelists, or any other person or material to which they will make life decisions without thinking them through first. This whole situation is honestly starting to feel like that group of black people in the late 1990's who attempted to sue the railroad companies because their ancestors from hundreds of years ago were slaves building the railroad tracks. I think most of these women are spiteful because a hundred years ago, women didn't have the right to vote, and this is their opportunity to take revenge on all the men who "oppressed" their great grandmothers.
The dating and mating dynamic as it were in the past, is rapidly deteriorating in modern society, thanks primarily to dating capitalism. If you are a woman who is convinced you are owed something as a result of your birth right (gender), then why would you choose to give up that belief? It's to your benefit, if you can have men drop to their knees and worship you, and you only provide the bare minimum necessary in order to get everything you little heart desires. That's a very sweet deal, particularly if your personality leans towards selfishness and greed, more so than the average person, be it man or woman.
For my part, I try to get at least "part" of what I'm looking for out of Seeking. There's lots of talk of "stud" guys hanging around bars, and convincing various women to go home with them for one night stands. Given the nature of ISG, if most men were like that, any person with even a minute amount of intellect would know that such men would be flushing money down the toilet to spend it on prostitutes, if they are able to get it for free. Lots of talk. I hear people bragging about big returns on crypto currencies, yet those are the same people getting evicted from their homes not long after. Thus, I have no qualms about paying sex workers for sex. I'm getting at least some portion of what I want, and I'm parting with money that I can afford to spend. If the dating market were somehow able to clear up one day, to the extent that I did not see my time and effort as being a burden to me, then I might start looking in the other direction. Until then I'm okay with the ladies of the night; they deconstruct a convoluted web that's been made grievously complicated for no reason other than biased self gain.
Has anyone been successful in ban evasion? I got booted unfairly by a scorned former SB who reported me for "soliciting" which is hilarious given that aint none of them fucking for free. I have been trying new emails, VPN, new device and get booted as soon as it scans by face. Is their facial recognition tech that good? They won't event let me appeal and refuse to speak to me for a reinstatement. Money wasted. I would appreciate any help as I am not even getting messages back on SDM or alternative sites.At least you should do a charge back. They don't deserve your money.
Am more than convinced that Seeking is an online pro / semi-pro / wannabe WGs market place. Most SB's I have come across are wannabe's, and at some point in time categorically WGs.
Men think they are wise to throw money, attains premium member tag and finds their 'targets', then Seeking works to their advantage, but short lived as any online flare-bubbles.
From a woman's point of view, at a click of a button and few messages, she gets access to rich men competing each other for private time with her.
So why not put on some extra make up and photoshop filters to glorify those pics!
It is simply a supply & demand theory implemented online, very wisely!
Also another reason why these short term flings are the best is you get your girl at her best with makeup dolled up to the max. They are on their best behavior to please you.
One of the biggest scams men have to endure is the disappointment when she takes off her fake painted face. This is something women will never have to deal with as men don't look like a completely different person after washing their face. Ultimately it’s not fair since women need to compete against fake faces and then men just get used to that look as standard hurting everyone in the end.Also when she removes her fake hair. As a young man, I was surprised to find out how many women of all ethnicities are wearing fake hair and hair pieces. Fake faces, fake brows, fake hair. Fake tits, fake asses. Man!
Also when she removes her fake hair. As a young man, I was surprised to find out how many women of all ethnicities are wearing fake hair and hair pieces. Fake faces, fake brows, fake hair. Fake tits, fake asses. Man!Did I mention the fake nails and lashes too? Everything about a woman is fake, often even including her professed love for you. It's all fake, except for her strong desire to separate you from your money!
I think many of the people who have replied about the US dating market have some valid points. We could spend the next decade on this forum debating the matter, but I believe the bottom line is this: most men in the US are not happy with their amorous lives. If they were, wouldn't be having this conversation. Not just on ISG, but all over the internet, and in various podcasts, public discourse, and pretty much everywhere else. My personal suspicion is that this will not change any time soon, if ever.
I think part of the issue is that men and women have experienced very little biological change when compared to historical times. Men, to a grand ratio, still have much higher testosterone levels than women, and want sex much more frequently. But, we are no longer running around as hunter gatherers, and bringing more food back to the camp than the tribesman standing next to you, and thus winning sex from the lady's seal of approval. Technology has managed to accomplish many great things, but it's also thrown a gargantuan wrench into how sexual relationships used to function. Attributing some of that to modern birth control methods..As someone said here we are always paying for pussy one way or another. Some like the most socially acceptable pussy like marriage and most folks here like pros or semi girls. What you see today with women is the fallacy that they think they can have it all. Fuck a lot of men and suck some clueless romantic guy for his assets and leave him clean. Having money and attention from other men.
Then if women can do that? Why can't I keep fucking only hotties til I die?
VanessasClient
09-25-25, 02:09
At least you should do a charge back. They don't deserve your money.Yeah, but given their now mandatory identity verification, as well as info gleaned from the card used to make payment, it's very likely they have most guy's personal information now. There are numerous stories of Seeking sending collection agencies after their male members. I have no reason to doubt these stories. In the long term it could cost more. The risk of debt collectors coming after you goes down when the merchant in question is smaller, and does not have the easily accessible resources or experience to hire collection agencies, like Seeking does.
VanessasClient
09-25-25, 02:14
Am more than convinced that Seeking is an online pro / semi-pro / wannabe WGs market place. Most SB's I have come across are wannabe's, and at some point in time categorically WGs.
Men think they are wise to throw money, attains premium member tag and finds their 'targets', then Seeking works to their advantage, but short lived as any online flare-bubbles.
From a woman's point of view, at a click of a button and few messages, she gets access to rich men competing each other for private time with her.
So why not put on some extra make up and photoshop filters to glorify those pics!
It is simply a supply & demand theory implemented online, very wisely!Having the premium membership does little to attract female members. I get girls contacting me all the time, in between the months my premium membership is not active. The catch is that you cannot send messages to female members without the paid subscription. They can send messages to you, but you cannot read them without premium. The girls that are contacting me are seeing other things in my profile that are drawing their attention; not the premium membership.
WaltoDerri
09-25-25, 17:13
Yeah, but given their now mandatory identity verification, as well as info gleaned from the card used to make payment, it's very likely they have most guy's personal information now. There are numerous stories of Seeking sending collection agencies after their male members. I have no reason to doubt these stories. In the long term it could cost more. The risk of debt collectors coming after you goes down when the merchant in question is smaller, and does not have the easily accessible resources or experience to hire collection agencies, like Seeking does.So basically I'm screwed on my own unless I get a buddy of mine to make an account on my behalf and just get the log in and a burner card? Damn LOL.
VanessasClient
09-25-25, 20:55
So basically I'm screwed on my own unless I get a buddy of mine to make an account on my behalf and just get the log in and a burner card? Damn LOL.I'm not saying you can't file a chargeback, I'm just saying it probably carries some risks. Also I think when you agree to the terms of service when you sign up, they mention something about paying additional fees / fines if they have to send collections after you. Very few people read the TOS in its entirety. You could try and have someone you know create a smurf account, but I'm guessing it would have to be someone who REALLY trusts you, and has no objection to sticking their neck out for you. There's articles about methods to try and "beat" facial recognition, but I cannot attest to their effectiveness.
NeilGeorge
09-26-25, 15:24
Also when she removes her fake hair. As a young man, I was surprised to find out how many women of all ethnicities are wearing fake hair and hair pieces.More common among the black girls, to have wigs. I had one from Nigeria whose hair came off during sex, in my bed. Was shocked she really was bald!
More common among the black girls, to have wigs. I had one from Nigeria whose hair came off during sex, in my bed. Was shocked she really was bald!Too damn funny LOLOLOL! But you might be surprised (or maybe not) just how many white women are wearing wigs or hair pieces and extensions to make their hair look fuller. I know I was since people will say exactly what you did. That's why it surprised me what I found due to the stereotyping.
AmericanPi
09-26-25, 22:35
More common among the black girls, to have wigs. I had one from Nigeria whose hair came off during sex, in my bed. Was shocked she really was bald!Saw a black girl in Nashville a few times. Not really my jam. First time with a black girl in 25 years or so.
Interesting tho.
First of all, I couldn't really tell if she was black. She was light skinned and kind of looked Asian. But spoke with a black voice affectation. But that's not always telling. It wasn't till I asked her where her parents are from and she seemed confused and she was like " Atlanta, and Louisiana" that I fully got it.
But then when we were banging it was clear she had extensions. I mean when you're right up to somebody's face, you can really tell when you can't see a clear scalp to hair transition.
And then I just straight up, asked her if she had extensions. Of course, she said yes. And she asked me how I can tell. And of course, I did not say it's because you obviously didn't pay very much for them and got the cheap version. I'm a gentleman. Not really but I like writing that.
Then when we woke up there was black dye on my sheets. I felt I had to leave 20 bucks and a contrite note to the maids to get out of a penalty on that one. Actually the first night I literally reversed the sheets myself so that the head was the feet and the feet were the head so the stains were hidden. Second night I just coughed up the tip.
Oh black chicks.
WaltoDerri
09-27-25, 13:49
How can we encourage more men and SBs to jump ship to SDM? The customer service is much better. I reported a rinser and in less than 24 hours they actually did something about it. Unlike seeking where I reported constantly and they never did shit but I get reported on once and I'm banned for life. Fucking scumbags.
Anyways if you have SDM already keep an eye out for "Ana bloom" some weird British girl (or dude) claiming to "need a deposit to meet" LOL.
Steve 9696
09-27-25, 14:24
How can we encourage more men and SBs to jump ship to SDM? The customer service is much better. I reported a rinser and in less than 24 hours they actually did something about it. Unlike seeking where I reported constantly and they never did shit but I get reported on once and I'm banned for life. Fucking scumbags.
Anyways if you have SDM already keep an eye out for "Ana bloom" some weird British girl (or dude) claiming to "need a deposit to meet" LOL.Don't use Sugardaddy Meet or whatever it's called. Total scam. Pay per message. I know girls who have been on there and tell me the site was sending Messages from them to guys! They weren't sending the messages. The site was. To get guys to engage with them and spend money. And they were like wtf I didn't contact you. Scam. Period.
AmericanPi
09-27-25, 23:06
Don't use Sugardaddy Meet or whatever it's called. Total scam. Pay per message. I know girls who have been on there and tell me the site was sending Messages from them to guys! They weren't sending the messages. The site was. To get guys to engage with them and spend money. And they were like wtf I didn't contact you. Scam. Period.Yep. I used it twice. Never met anyone. It was abundantly clear that they have fake profiles sending you messages so you have to use credits to read them, and they never say anything. And they have lots of people listed as online, and it's super clear they have not been online anytime recently, if they ever were. They're just propping up old and inactive accounts and serving them up to you as fresh.
AmericanPi
09-30-25, 15:22
Still working to crack this nut.
Anyone used privacy dot com virtual cards to pay for seeking, with good experience or bad?
Open to DM also if you prefer.
NeilGeorge
09-30-25, 17:11
Don't use Sugardaddy Meet .. Pay per message. Scam. Period.You are confused. SugarDaddyMeet is a different site than the pay per message site. Same monthly or 90 day membership fee.
I have had very good luck on SDM site, better than I had on than seeking, and especially since seeking banned me a couple years ago. More amateurs and less pros.
VanessasClient
10-01-25, 02:43
You are confused. SugarDaddyMeet is a different site than the pay per message site. Same monthly or 90 day membership fee.
I have had very good luck on SDM site, better than I had on than seeking, and especially since seeking banned me a couple years ago. More amateurs and less pros.What's the name of the similar sounding site? Can we get clarification on the domains please?
Premium does have some face value in the form of 'respect' for standing out, though a WG will only be interested in thickness of your wallet post making the contact.
From a messaging point of view, it is a big bonus too.
I wonder what you meant by girls "seeing other things in your profile" contacting you.
Having the premium membership does little to attract female members. I get girls contacting me all the time, in between the months my premium membership is not active. The catch is that you cannot send messages to female members without the paid subscription. They can send messages to you, but you cannot read them without premium. The girls that are contacting me are seeing other things in my profile that are drawing their attention; not the premium membership.
VanessasClient
10-01-25, 18:56
Premium does have some face value in the form of 'respect' for standing out, though a WG will only be interested in thickness of your wallet post making the contact.
From a messaging point of view, it is a big bonus too.
I wonder what you meant by girls "seeing other things in your profile" contacting you.I had more than 50 unread messages between the middle of July and the middle of September, and that's when my premium membership was inactive. That's only 2 months of not having premium. Plus I had dozens of other girls add me to their favorites during that time. I cannot say without 100% certainty, but I believe it's a combined result of posted location, verifications, pictures, age, and other factors. A lot of guys are whacked out paranoid about revealing anything about themselves, most of the time because they are married (at best, a stupid decision to get married).
Some on ISG have admitted to posting obscured or inaccurate pics. This leads me to believe that many more hide pics all together, which is a deal breaker according to a significant percent of girl's profiles. Or, it could be that they think by getting those verification badges or background checks, that their info is more susceptible to being hacked or doxed; thus even more likely they will get punished during a divorce, or blackmailed for running around behind their wives backs.
Think about it. If you are a "sugar baby" looking for a man with resources, what concerns are you going to have on your mind? If he's trying to hide as much info from you as possible, are you more inclined to think he's legit, and not trying to scam you, or a risk to your safety? Most especially if there's other profiles out there that have taken the time / effort / money to make themselves stand out by sharing more inciting indicators upfront, before initial contact begins.
I'm not married, nor do I profess to the public that I'm some christian goody two shoes. So none of that shit applies to me. That being said, I'm sure Seeking in the US is entirely different. I haven't even ATTEMPTED to use it in the US in years; it's just a waste of time and money. It could be the main reason I'm getting a lot more interest is that many of the guys using it have their locations set to US cities.
WaltoDerri
10-01-25, 20:43
So basically I'm screwed on my own unless I get a buddy of mine to make an account on my behalf and just get the log in and a burner card? Damn LOL.Seems like my idea has worked for now. Friend made the account and had his face scanned. I just avoided uploading selfies but messaged the girls and offered to send my pics via text. We shall see how this goes.
WaltoDerri
10-01-25, 21:19
You are confused. SugarDaddyMeet is a different site than the pay per message site. Same monthly or 90 day membership fee.
I have had very good luck on SDM site, better than I had on than seeking, and especially since seeking banned me a couple years ago. More amateurs and less pros.What city are you in? It seems dry in my area.
Super Tramp
10-02-25, 14:43
Some on ISG have admitted to posting obscured or inaccurate pics.
Think about it. If you are a "sugar baby" looking for a man with resources, what concerns are you going to have on your mind? If he's trying to hide as much info from you as possible, are you more inclined to think he's legit, and not trying to scam you, or a risk to your safety? Most especially if there's other profiles out there that have taken the time / effort / money to make themselves stand out by sharing more inciting indicators upfront, before initial contact begins..I'm curious about showing myself and the difference it would make. I'm not married either. My main photo is me with sunglasses on, and the rest are hidden. I have yet to verify myself either. What are your thoughts on improvements by showing my face? I have a decent picture. Of course you may also get a lot of unwanted attention. I find there is a lot of "noise" on there too. Meaning distractions with girls from places I never visit. You can always just contact the girl you are interested in and unhide your photos for them.
VanessasClient
10-03-25, 07:46
I'm curious about showing myself and the difference it would make. I'm not married either. My main photo is me with sunglasses on, and the rest are hidden. I have yet to verify myself either. What are your thoughts on improvements by showing my face? I have a decent picture. Of course you may also get a lot of unwanted attention. I find there is a lot of "noise" on there too. Meaning distractions with girls from places I never visit. You can always just contact the girl you are interested in and unhide your photos for them.You'll probably recall that standard male members can only list 1 city, but premium can list 3. Sometimes I do get messages from other parts of the world, usually Ukraine or Venezuela. I have no clue how many of them might be legit. But, more to the point, often times I will get messages from nearby places. So, if I list my city as Arequipa, then it wouldn't be uncommon for me to get messages from girls in Cusco. Those two cities are close enough together that some girls would consider traveling by bus or train.
I don't think it's just the photos. I have all the verification badges, including background check, social media linking, and ID verified. They only require the self verification to create an account. I don't remember the exact price of their background check service, but I believe it is substantially over $100. One time fee, but it is dated. It required additional documents and it's a bit of a procedure.
Also, if you consider retirement age as 65, as that's when Americans can get Medicare and social security, I'm not anywhere near being a senior citizen. I think lots of girls in their '20's tolerate guys who are 70 or 80+ years old because of the money. But at the end of the day, that's still not their preference. 10 or 20 years their senior, sure. But not 50 years apart. It doesn't benefit a 25 year old girl to date a 90 year old man, if there's a 30 year old man who's just as wealthy. Unless she's trying to pull an Anna Nicole Smith, and look how that turned out for both parties.
Full disclosure: occasionally the first message I get from girls will be a request to see my private photos. I see these as distasteful challenge, given the nature of Seeking. I still give them an opportunity, but more often than not, just wind up moving on to the next profile.
I'm in Germany right now, and tonight I was with a white Romanian girl with blonde extensions. See, see, see! I told you so. The white chicks do it too! And as I discovered many moons ago, they do it a lot! Just had to mention this since we were just discussing this here not long ago. Fortunately, hers did not come out while we were fucking LOLOLOL!
After a year of on again off again use, I deleted my Seeking account today. Hallelujah! It's an expensive piece of shit for use in the States, and I don't need it for what I seek overseas. Good riddance! I leave it now for you guys to discuss.
To me, from my experience the only difference between a SB and WG is, SB is open only in certain times to 'known' or selected ones with pre-agreed arrangement / rates where as a WG with a Seeking profile has many 'faces' in the internet including escort agency (ies) she is affiliated with so she manage her open diary with her own rates incl dinner meets.
Then there is the other category which is daddy hunters aka single mums, again those would have a limited diary time and my experirnce says they throw a lot of tantrums!
I had more than 50 unread messages between the middle of July and the middle of September, and that's when my premium membership was inactive. That's only 2 months of not having premium. Plus I had dozens of other girls add me to their favorites during that time. I cannot say without 100% certainty, but I believe it's a combined result of posted location, verifications, pictures, age, and other factors. A lot of guys are whacked out paranoid about revealing anything about themselves, most of the time because they are married (at best, a stupid decision to get married).
Some on ISG have admitted to posting obscured or inaccurate pics. This leads me to believe that many more hide pics all together, which is a deal breaker according to a significant percent of girl's profiles. Or, it could be that they think by getting those verification badges or background checks, that their info is more susceptible to being hacked or doxed; thus even more likely they will get punished during a divorce, or blackmailed for running around behind their wives backs.
Think about it. If you are a "sugar baby" looking for a man with resources, what concerns are you going to have on your mind? If he's trying to hide as much info from you as possible, are you more inclined to think he's legit, and not trying to scam you, or a risk to your safety? Most especially if there's other profiles out there that have taken the time / effort / money to make themselves stand out by sharing more inciting indicators upfront, before initial contact begins..
VanessasClient
10-05-25, 00:47
After a year of on again off again use, I deleted my Seeking account today. Hallelujah! It's an expensive piece of shit for use in the States, and I don't need it for what I seek overseas. Good riddance! I leave it now for you guys to discuss.If there was an alternative site that worked overseas, I would use it. The only other thing that comes to mind "globally" is tinder. Beyond that, it seems that each country or region has its own "niche" sites.
WaltoDerri
10-07-25, 20:57
After a year of on again off again use, I deleted my Seeking account today. Hallelujah! It's an expensive piece of shit for use in the States, and I don't need it for what I seek overseas. Good riddance! I leave it now for you guys to discuss.Which site do you use over seas? Or where else do you find women? Seeking was a gold mine for my trips last year but I agree that it is shitty for state side use.
WaltoDerri
10-07-25, 21:00
Seems like my idea has worked for now. Friend made the account and had his face scanned. I just avoided uploading selfies but messaged the girls and offered to send my pics via text. We shall see how this goes.It seems my idea worked until Saturday. Only met 2 women and one ran off with my money while distracted (rookie mistake) and I reported her but MY account was deleted. The other was an old connect and the date went fine. No extras happened. At least I seemed to get an automatic refund to my credit card but zero explanation from customer service LOL. I did not upload photos and offered to show them via text or even just video call.
Which site do you use over seas? Or where else do you find women? Seeking was a gold mine for my trips last year but I agree that it is shitty for state side use.I don't use sites. I'm 100% OK with pros and like to go to establishments where they can be easily found, whether it's a Brazilian terma or a German sauna club or a bar or nightclub somewhere in the world frequented by ladies of the night who want to meet me for P4P.
EasyIslandLife
10-12-25, 20:30
This is my first attempt at trying to be sugar daddy in Brazil. It's full of rookie mistake and things I learned. I would like to thank all the senior members (Steve 9696, The Cane, VanessasClient, Chicago85, etc.) for their sage advice, even if I stupidly forgot to follow it at times. Prior to my September trip to Brazil, a couple of months of insomnia allowed me to do a lot of leg work on Meu Patrocinio, which seemed to have more options than Seeking. I found very few English speakers, although English speakers seemed more common in Rio than Sao Paulo, I'm guessing because there are a shit ton of tourists in Rio. I don't speak Portuguese, and used Google Translate and at times the more accurate DeepL Translate to communicate. A complete waste of money was the $400 purchase of Time Kettle W4 Pro AI Interpreter translation earbuds, the translations were comically incorrect and really only good for a laugh and the Portuguese English translation is not even available offline. I paid for an Airalo cell phone plan before I arrived to get a local Brazilian eSIM, but I could not get it to work, at least it was only $33. Luckily, I was able to get by with my T-Mobile plan. The server at a nice restaurant in Rio walked away with one of my credit cards, next time I need to be more aware. A kid on a bike filched my iPhone while I was requesting an Uber leaving Ibirapuera Park, I was lucky he tossed the phone after I chased him for half mile, I don't think he was expecting that. I seriously need to consider a burner phone my next visit.
I messaged a bunch of SBs on Meu Patrocinio and Seeking using a generic opening with an account that had 3 pictures and short description. Overall, I'd guess about half are some type of GPS, business accounts on their WhatsApp was a dead giveaway. I tried to avoid the 18-21 age group (one that messaged and WhatsApped me, did exactly what the exulted senior members warned about, send naked picture and immediately ask for money = block). The SBs that messaged me as opposed to the other way around were all older, fatties, ugly, scams, or based on their pictures trans (wholly shit there are a lot of masculine looking profiles). I ignored most that wanted to go to WhatsApp as their opening reply, although after spending time with my SB as well as garotas from Scandallo and Bomboa smart enough to seek alternative sources of revenue, many garotas want to move off the Meu Patrocinio app right away because the phone app sucks and crashes a lot. Trying not to be scammed, I eliminated profiles with less than 5 photos and any with single line descriptions. I ended up WhatsApping about 20 of the SBs (stupid insomnia). So as not to be surprised, I had the gift discussion with a lot of them. Gift requests ranged from 800 are-2500 are per day. They all asked for money except one that wanted an iPhone 15. Some conversations faded, others ignored, a couple were dropped for asking for money before a meeting was suggested. I vetted 6 of them with video calls and dropped 3 of them for being fatties, unattractive, lying about where they actually lived. All of them photoshop their pictures or use old pictures, even on WhatsApp, but there are varying degrees of photoshop. I found out that videos sent could also be deep faked by these garotas (they are either getting help or getting smarter), so I'm glad I did video chats asking for no filters. On the video chat, I tried to be clear about the importance of chemistry and private time.
My aim was for a 27-30 year old semi pro or a slightly younger pro. Basically, I was hoping for an excellent time in bedroom with full GFE. My general experience with the hobby has been if they are too young and inexperienced, the BJs are bad and all they do is starfish, in which case it doesn't matter how beautiful they are. I may be naive, but I think I ended up with a full on civilian. More to come. .
EasyIslandLife
10-12-25, 21:55
Day 1. In case the first date went badly, I spent 3 hours of the afternoon with a GDP I found online. I then went looking for flowers and chocolates and ended up at a flower shop where I'm pretty sure I got the gringo price and ended up spending R300 for a dozen roses, so I skipped the chocolates. I met my SB at a Korean restaurant for dinner and soju. I ended up with a pretty (although not as DDG as her photoshopped pictures) mulatto, 5'1", 88 lbs, long black hair, tiny fit spinner with soft skin, beautiful round natural be cups, a waist so small I could almost get my hands around it and a well shaped small bunda. I'll call her M. 27 years old, divorced after 5 years of marriage and one previous SD. Working multiple jobs, I'm going to guess all pretty low paying with no degrees, she is into older guys (her ex husband was 16 years her senior) because she is looking for a provider. At the restaurant, we used Google Translate for conversation, knocked back a couple of bottles of soju, then there was reluctance to go back to my hotel because she was tired. After some coaxing, back at the hotel, she was a bit shy, but talking led to DFK and then 2nd base on the couch. I stupidly did not follow the exulted senior members advice of the 48 hour rule and purchased her plane tickets to join me on my trip for the next week. As a result, I had to cancel my other SB meeting in Rio and boy was that SB ever pissed. I'm not sure how M talked me into it, but after she got comfortable with that body and her hand on my cock, the credit card came out and the next thing I knew I had spent R5000 on 3 plane tickets for her. While she was in the bathroom, I put out an envelope with R1000 on the night stand, the agreed upon per diem. In bed, more DFK led to a cursory BBBJ that was below average, especially compared to the pro earlier in the day. I did some DATY and when she was nice and wet, I almost went into her BB, she completely forgot about the condom (she had neither condoms or lube the entire week). After grabbing a condom from the drawer, sliding into her was real nice; wet and snug like only a spinner can provide. I was surprised that positions were limited and she struggled with several of them. She could do missionary and spoon sex, but cowgirl tired her out in spite of her fit body and she didn't seem to know how to position herself for doggie or prone. I may be naive, but the overall experience made me think I ended up with an actual civilian. After about an hour, she said she was tired, got dress and went home with the flowers to pack for the week, completely ignoring the envelope with money.
Day 2. We met at an expensive resort in Foz do Iguacu, the one in the national park with exclusive access to the waterfalls after the park hours. The place had an interesting mix, very wealthy families, couples on their honeymoon, what appeared to be multiple SD / SB relationships (several super hot 20 year old blondes with mature men at least 20-30 years older than me), and whoever else can afford R6000+ per night. The resort was amazing, top notch food, excellent services with multiple concierges at the ready. My experience with M the 2nd night did not go as well. She got bitten in the eye or eyelid by a mosquitos or some bug and was super grumpy. No sex, no kissing, no touching. After getting her treatment and being a nice guy, she tried to play games to pass the time like tic tac toe and hangman (next time I bring a deck of cards) but nothing fun, just a couple of drinks and an early end to the night.
Day 3. I was hoping M would make it up to me for being really nice and caring the previous night. But even though her eye felt better, no morning sex like I had hoped. When the evening came around, she was tired, not in the mood and we basically fought and went to bed angry after nothing. In the middle of the night, she woke me up with her body next to mine as the little spoon, proceeded to stroke me off, rubbing me against her opening before sliding me into her wet pussy raw. The make up sex was amazing, although positions were still limited to spoon and missionary. She became a wild jack rabbit as the little spoon and before I knew it I had CIP. I probably should have brought PrEP, but was not planning on BBFS.
Day 4. BBFS morning sex in spoon and missionary, missing breakfast entirely, cut short by the need to catch a flight to Rio. In Rio at the hotel, I find out she is not on birth control of any kind and she finds out my swimmers still work. We decided she would have to use plan be. After which, starting in the afternoon and into the evening, M decided to get drunk. Really drunk. We met some cariocas and bar hopped a bit, it all started so innocently. I stopped buying her drinks after her 9th one, but she had money and continued to drink until the bar cut her off at like 11. Remember, M is only 88 lbs soaking wet. Back at the hotel she was too drunk to do anything, and when I tried, she almost threw up and I left her on the couch with a waste basket next to her in case she got sick.
Day 5. As bad as drunk M was, hungover M was a much worse experience. She spent the entire day in the dark hotel room. I left her with water and whatever was in the minibar. I checked in on her in the late afternoon and we had another fight over me suggesting sex later that evening when she felt better. So I went to Solarium, I had a couple of drinks, but did not find any of the garotas to my liking enough to session with. The evening back with M resulted in another argument and the decision that she would fly back to Sao Paulo the next morning. We went to bed angry on opposite sides of the bed. In the middle of the night, I found her on my side of the bed with a leg over me. Still upset, I moved her leg, rolled over and went back to sleep. I woke up a second time with both her legs over me and my dick literally being squeezed between her thighs. This led to the some of the best make up sex I've ever had in my life. Cowgirl, missionary and spoon, multiple sessions of full on BBFSCIP over a couple of hours until the sun came up.
Day 6. We slept in the morning and missed breakfast. After lunch, we decided to do a helicopter tour. A fancy expensive dinner at Mocellin Mar resulted in the server walking away with my credit card without me noticing. Back at the hotel, it was DFK and BBFS. After sex, we had a discussion and she told me and I quote "As long as we share the same bed, I can have sex with her whenever I want", I even got a screen shot of it. She then went to sleep with no panties. In the middle of the night, when I woke up at full salute, I decided to take her up on her offer. Spoon sex BBFSCIP. I woke up later in the night and after some touching, we did it again BBFS spoon and missionary.
Day 7. Make up sex is great. The morning started with BBFSCIP and we miss breakfast again. I gave her an envelope with R6000 as no money was asked for during my time spent with M, but the original discussion was for R1000 per day with money spent on flights, helicopter tours and 4 and 5 star hotels. We took our flight back to Sao Paulo and said our goodbyes. I went in to for a kiss, but she turned and gave me her cheek.
Overall, I got a GFE, just not the one I was expecting. The make up sex was great, but the fighting and general lack of affection was not. Other than the first night, there were no BJs and minimal DFK. In retrospect, I should have definitely followed the 48-72 hour rule so I could have seen the other SB I had lined up in Rio. Although, with the eye injury, the experience would have only included 3 session and I would have missed out on some seriously amazing make up sex. I could have also tried to line up more SBs in Sao Paulo, but I've never been to Scandallo and felt like I needed a couple of days to check out that scene as well as Bomboa and Casarao.
Day 9. I scheduled to meet up with M for dinner and private time for R2800 (I agreed because I felt like I shorted her earlier gift, but did not have enough cash at that time) and even extended my hotel stay a day so I would have a hotel room to do it, but she flaked last minute. So off to Scandallo I went to spend R2800 before my late night flight back stateside.
NeilGeorge
10-13-25, 05:12
Overall, I got a GFE, just not the one I was expecting. The make up sex was great, but the fighting and general lack of affection was not. Other than the first night, there were no BJs and minimal DFK.Sounds like a wife. Short term would be better.
VanessasClient
10-14-25, 06:13
Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone. Even if the kid is only 7 or 8 years old, they could still be armed. And if not, he could have rode his bike back to his home, where his family or "fellow neighbors" would have been waiting.
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.
Biggest lesson. Just because someone keeps their word a couple of times, or maybe even a few times in a row, doesn't mean that pattern will continue indefinitely. I had a girl try to backstab me in August, and I had been in contact with her for over a year. I'd say in order to have significant trust that you won't be betrayed, then I really think you need to make it past the 2 year mark, with consistent behavior that's frequently demonstrated.
Principles I live by:
1: Try your best not to share any identifiable details, such as your birthday, place you went to high school, and things of this nature. And if you ever need to, only the minimum necessary.
2. Never advance money itself. I've sent cars to pick girls up before, but I no longer advance funds.
3. Try to be vague about your personal life, particularly anything related to your career, if you have one. If pressed for specifics, lie if you can.
If you want to engage in conversations, then I recommend less risky topics like talking about pets, hobbies, sports, music etc. If you find yourself getting seriously attached to someone, then rewire your brain to break that problem. Unless you are prepared to bid all of your chips, and accept the potential repercussions.
Side note: you can pay Brazilians by Wise directly to their PIX account. I'm reluctant to do this these days because then they may have access to your full legal name (violating a rule I just mentioned, especially if you go bareback). But if you prefer not to mess around with exchanging dollars for reais, it is potential option. But, if you don't mind taking the risk, and would rather finance your endeavors while collecting reward points, who am I to tell you not to?
Day 1. In case the first date went badly, I spent 3 hours of the afternoon with a GDP I found online. I then went looking for flowers and chocolates and ended up at a flower shop where I'm pretty sure I got the gringo price and ended up spending R300 for a dozen roses, so I skipped the chocolates. I met my SB at a Korean restaurant for dinner and soju. I ended up with a pretty (although not as DDG as her photoshopped pictures) mulatto, 5'1", 88 lbs, long black hair, tiny fit spinner with soft skin, beautiful round natural be cups, a waist so small I could almost get my hands around it and a well shaped small bunda. I'll call her M. 27 years old, divorced after 5 years of marriage and one previous SD. Working multiple jobs, I'm going to guess all pretty low paying with no degrees, she is into older guys (her ex husband was 16 years her senior) because she is looking for a provider. At the restaurant, we used Google Translate for conversation, knocked back a couple of bottles of soju, then there was reluctance to go back to my hotel because she was tired. After some coaxing, back at the hotel, she was a bit shy, but talking led to DFK and then 2nd base on the couch. I stupidly did not follow the exulted senior members advice of the 48 hour rule and purchased her plane tickets to join me on my trip for the next week. As a result, I had to cancel my other SB meeting in Rio and boy was that SB ever pissed. I'm not sure how M talked me into it, but after she got comfortable with that body and her hand on my cock, the credit card came out and the next thing I knew I had spent R5000 on 3 plane tickets for her. While she was in the bathroom, I put out an envelope with R1000 on the night stand, the agreed upon per diem. In bed, more DFK led to a cursory BBBJ that was below average, especially compared to the pro earlier in the day. I did some DATY and when she was nice and wet, I almost went into her BB, she completely forgot about the condom (she had neither condoms or lube the entire week). After grabbing a condom from the drawer, sliding into her was real nice; wet and snug like only a spinner can provide. I was surprised that positions were limited and she struggled with several of them. She could do missionary and spoon sex, but cowgirl tired her out in spite of her fit body and she didn't seem to know how to position herself for doggie or prone. I may be naive, but the overall experience made me think I ended up with an actual civilian. After about an hour, she said she was tired, got dress and went home with the flowers to pack for the week, completely ignoring the envelope with money.
Day 2. We met at an expensive resort in Foz do Iguacu, the one in the national park with exclusive access to the waterfalls after the park hours. The place had an interesting mix, very wealthy families, couples on their honeymoon, what appeared to be multiple SD / SB relationships (several super hot 20 year old blondes with mature men at least 20-30 years older than me), and whoever else can afford R6000+ per night. The resort was amazing, top notch food, excellent services with multiple concierges at the ready. My experience with M the 2nd night did not go as well. She got bitten in the eye or eyelid by a mosquitos or some bug and was super grumpy. No sex, no kissing, no touching. After getting her treatment and being a nice guy, she tried to play games to pass the time like tic tac toe and hangman (next time I bring a deck of cards) but nothing fun, just a couple of drinks and an early end to the night.
Day 3. I was hoping M would make it up to me for being really nice and caring the previous night. But even though her eye felt better, no morning sex like I had hoped. When the evening came around, she was tired, not in the mood and we basically fought and went to bed angry after nothing. In the middle of the night, she woke me up with her body next to mine as the little spoon, proceeded to stroke me off, rubbing me against her opening before sliding me into her wet pussy raw. The make up sex was amazing, although positions were still limited to spoon and missionary. She became a wild jack rabbit as the little spoon and before I knew it I had CIP. I probably should have brought PrEP, but was not planning on BBFS.
Day 4. BBFS morning sex in spoon and missionary, missing breakfast entirely, cut short by the need to catch a flight to Rio. In Rio at the hotel, I find out she is not on birth control of any kind and she finds out my swimmers still work. We decided she would have to use plan be. After which, starting in the afternoon and into the evening, M decided to get drunk. Really drunk. We met some cariocas and bar hopped a bit, it all started so innocently. I stopped buying her drinks after her 9th one, but she had money and continued to drink until the bar cut her off at like 11. Remember, M is only 88 lbs soaking wet. Back at the hotel she was too drunk to do anything, and when I tried, she almost threw up and I left her on the couch with a waste basket next to her in case she got sick.
Day 5. As bad as drunk M was, hungover M was a much worse experience. She spent the entire day in the dark hotel room. I left her with water and whatever was in the minibar. I checked in on her in the late afternoon and we had another fight over me suggesting sex later that evening when she felt better. So I went to Solarium, I had a couple of drinks, but did not find any of the garotas to my liking enough to session with. The evening back with M resulted in another argument and the decision that she would fly back to Sao Paulo the next morning. We went to bed angry on opposite sides of the bed. In the middle of the night, I found her on my side of the bed with a leg over me. Still upset, I moved her leg, rolled over and went back to sleep. I woke up a second time with both her legs over me and my dick literally being squeezed between her thighs. This led to the some of the best make up sex I've ever had in my life. Cowgirl, missionary and spoon, multiple sessions of full on BBFSCIP over a couple of hours until the sun came up.
Day 6. We slept in the morning and missed breakfast. After lunch, we decided to do a helicopter tour. A fancy expensive dinner at Mocellin Mar resulted in the server walking away with my credit card without me noticing. Back at the hotel, it was DFK and BBFS. After sex, we had a discussion and she told me and I quote "As long as we share the same bed, I can have sex with her whenever I want", I even got a screen shot of it. She then went to sleep with no panties. In the middle of the night, when I woke up at full salute, I decided to take her up on her offer. Spoon sex BBFSCIP. I woke up later in the night and after some touching, we did it again BBFS spoon and missionary.
Day 7. Make up sex is great. The morning started with BBFSCIP and we miss breakfast again. I gave her an envelope with R6000 as no money was asked for during my time spent with M, but the original discussion was for R1000 per day with money spent on flights, helicopter tours and 4 and 5 star hotels. We took our flight back to Sao Paulo and said our goodbyes. I went in to for a kiss, but she turned and gave me her cheek.
Overall, I got a GFE, just not the one I was expecting. The make up sex was great, but the fighting and general lack of affection was not. Other than the first night, there were no BJs and minimal DFK. In retrospect, I should have definitely followed the 48-72 hour rule so I could have seen the other SB I had lined up in Rio. Although, with the eye injury, the experience would have only included 3 session and I would have missed out on some seriously amazing make up sex. I could have also tried to line up more SBs in Sao Paulo, but I've never been to Scandallo and felt like I needed a couple of days to check out that scene as well as Bomboa and Casarao.
Day 9. I scheduled to meet up with M for dinner and private time for R2800 (I agreed because I felt like I shorted her earlier gift, but did not have enough cash at that time) and even extended my hotel stay a day so I would have a hotel room to do it, but she flaked last minute. So off to Scandallo I went to spend R2800 before my late night flight back stateside.
Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone...
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.I agree with all you are saying. Also, do not leave your cell phone at the table if you run to the bathroom at the restaurant during a first meeting. I had a girl up and leave, stealing my phone with her. I had to buy a new phone, cancel my credit cards, and found out she was using my Uber. Do not trust a hoe.
I purposefully use my middle name, unless and until there is some trust. And do not give out my last name. Unfortunately my real name shows on my credit card slips and the girls try to read those. Pay with cash at the restaurant meeting, if you can. Always pay the girls with cash. And you can Never completely trust a woman. They are the ones who will turn you in to the Police. Just try getting married, divorced, and having problems with your kids. Your X will do every dirty she can to get you arrested so she can brag to her girlfriends how bad you are. All the police shows have the con-man turned in by an ex-girlfriend who is bitter because he found another.
EasyIslandLife
10-15-25, 05:21
Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone. Even if the kid is only 7 or 8 years old, they could still be armed. And if not, he could have rode his bike back to his home, where his family or "fellow neighbors" would have been waiting.
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.
Biggest lesson. Just because someone keeps their word a couple of times, or maybe even a few times in a row, doesn't mean that pattern will continue indefinitely. I had a girl try to backstab me in August, and I had been in contact with her for over a year. I'd say in order to have significant trust that you won't be betrayed, then I really think you need to make it past the 2 year mark, with consistent behavior that's frequently demonstrated.
VanessasClient is 100% right, giving chase over a cell phone is a dumb idea. I honestly wouldn't have known what to do if I caught the kid anyway, safety issue aside, a grown ass man kicking the ass of a 14 year old kid is not a good look in any country. Many before have said "I'm a lover, not a fighter", and my energy in Brazil is much better spent sharing my love with as many hot garotas as possible. Next time, I'm bringing a cheap cell phone.
Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?
Day 1. In case the first date went badly, I spent 3 hours of the afternoon with a GDP I found online. I then went looking for flowers and chocolates and ended up at a flower shop where I'm pretty sure I got the gringo price and ended up spending R300 for a dozen roses, so I skipped the chocolates. I met my SB
VanessasClient
10-17-25, 04:04
Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan ß is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D
Thank you for getting me to think straight! Eye opening indeed. Much appreciated!
This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D
Elvis 2008
10-18-25, 19:28
This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D
Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?Plan b is Levonorgestrel and it suppresses ovulation. Thing is if the egg has already been released and you cum inside the woman it may do not good at all, so it is best to use right after the act of sex and for you to withdraw and not cum inside of her. For the most part, I had no issue with women taking it. The issue was the price. It was $50 in the USA so I would buy it at All Day Chemist for $3. Now you can get on Amazon for like $14, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZF2N2ZK?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US.
When I went bare, if I had the woman take the pill right after the act of sex, and I did not cum inside her, I had no issues with pregnancy. Thing is that about one in four women cramp and bleed after taking it, and that is where I had resistance, a woman or two who took Levonorgestrel and had side effects occasionally balked at taking it again. The pregnancy prevention rate with Levonorgestrel is about the same as condoms.
For longer term, I would inject medroxyprogesterone acetate or Depoprovera. This lasts 3 months and is the best birth control outside of getting snipped. Most women have no problem with the injection but some have terrible cramps and bleeding, and it can take months for that to stop. I used to buy this for $20 from far away lands and just give it to my SBs. With no exceptions, they did not balk but were appreciative unless they had the side effects. Unlike in the USA where they are all these safety warnings like having a PAP smear prior to getting it, in Africa, there are no such controls, and the women line up for it, and it is the most popular form of birth control in the world. Thing is in the USA now that has come down and price, and I am seeing the shots going for $25 here now.
I liked it because I did not have to worry about a woman "forgetting" to take their pill. I have also been reading this book one of the manosphere guys recommended called Sperm Wars and it has been very eye opening with regards to how much the subconscious of both men and women play in the reproductive process. A lot of times a woman "forgets" taking her pill, apparently her subconscious is willing her to do so. I highly recommend the book.
Upon reflection though, this has been a bigger issue than I recall. I had one SB who did get pregnant once. She was honest in that she had been with another guy, but speaking of subconscious, I had a dream of something living inside of me, so when she said that she was pregnant, I said, "I have a feeling it is mine. " She had four kids and did not want a fifth and asked for some financial help and I gladly gave it to her and she took care of it.
Thing is in this world there is a lot of bullshitting about being pregnant. I had one woman I got together with after a year hiatus who claimed I impregnated her and she miscarried, and I thought she was full of shit and being manipulative. Reuniting with a SB always turned out to be a bad idea.
One thing I prided myself on was leaving my wallet out in front of trusted SBs in Colombian and Mexico. Of all the times I was abroad, I only had one time a woman steal from me, and THAT women claimed a month later that I impregnated her, so I blocked her and never heard from her again. I would bet my life that she was full of shit.
Then there was the SB who said my chances of being the father of her kid was less than 10%. She was one of those SBs that was a good woman, and she was living with a guy that she did not trust would be a good father and there was no doubt in her mind that she was not ready to be a mother. So I probably did not have to help her out, but I did. Less than 10% did not make me feel comfortable.
You think all this would cause a remarkable amount of stress, but they really did not. The women were going to do what they wanted to do or they were full of shit. All that I had to do was assist in a decision that they had already made.
There was one time though that a SB was pregnant, and she said the baby was mine, and I think she would have kept it with some kind of commitment from me. That was tough. It was at the point in my life where I would have welcomed a child, but something just was not right. I was ambivalent with her and when she saw the lack of commitment from me, she did what she had to do. It was the only time I felt guilt, and I still do when I think about it.
Thing is we had stopped seeing each other and two months later, she was pregnant again and that time it was definitely not mine and she chose not to be a mother again. I guess I could say, "Shit, it was probably that guy's kid the first time too", but I really do not believe that to be true.
Thing is after reading Sperm Wars and how much the subconscious controls women and pregnancy, I could see her having sex with another guy and totally blocking it out of her mind. Women subconsciously distinguish between a man they see as a good genetic sperm donor but a shitty person and one they see as a good provider but less than ideal sperm donor. Point is that I could see many SDs being collared as fathers who are not and maybe that was what was going on with the woman above.
Thing is that in Sperm Wars, there is this war to be the guy who fathers the most children, and I really do not feel that way. Maybe it is because the father is nowhere to be seen, but I am closer to my gal's daughter than any children I am genetically linked to. I don't want to be the father of an asshole regardless of whose sperm gave life to that child. How do you guys feel about that? Do you think that they have to be your genetic child for you to totally love them?
VanessasClient
10-19-25, 06:49
The thing that makes withdraw risky is that there's no 100% proof why some men's pre ejaculate contains sperm, and other men's does not. In fact, there's even inconsistency among the same man, where sometimes his precum has sperm, and other times it doesn't. The leading theory is that if it does contain sperm, it's sperm that was sitting in the urethra from the last ejaculation. If you believe that theory, then sperm cannot survive in the urethra for much more than several hours, due to the acidic environment and temperature. So, how do pregnancies happen from precum if the last ejaculation was 24 hours ago? There's other researchers that say a small amount of cum may be released before the main load blows out. Seems not particularly reliable to me.
I'm sure there's plenty of documented cases out there where adoptive parents were more dedicated to their children than biological parents. The thing is. If there's ever a serious rift between the kid and the parents, especially if the kid is an adolescent or even an adult, either side can always fall back on the argument "you're not my real dad / mom / child" and there's no defensible reason not to end the relationship. Whereas with blood bound families, then the perpetrator is identified as simply being a rat. If the parents abuse the kid, then the parents are just shit. Or if the kid grows up to be a mass murder, then the kid is shit. But with adopted families, you always have the excuse to walk away based on that person not being biologically related.
In some countries like Brazil or RD, abortion is all but illegal unless the mother's life is in danger, or the doctor signs off that the baby is likely to be stillborn. Good news is that overall male sperm count has been declining globally during the past couple of decades Also, sperm quality is going down with it, and testosterone levels.
I'm still amazed at the number of new members who show up on Seeking each week. It's like almost every woman wants to give it a try at least once. Either that or scammers are recycling old images that Seeking has not stored for comparison purposes.
Plan b is Levonorgestrel and it suppresses ovulation. Thing is if the egg has already been released and you cum inside the woman it may do not good at all, so it is best to use right after the act of sex and for you to withdraw and not cum inside of her. For the most part, I had no issue with women taking it. The issue was the price. It was $50 in the USA so I would buy it at All Day Chemist for $3. Now you can get on Amazon for like $14, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZF2N2ZK?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US.
When I went bare, if I had the woman take the pill right after the act of sex, and I did not cum inside her, I had no issues with pregnancy. Thing is that about one in four women cramp and bleed after taking it, and that is where I had resistance, a woman or two who took Levonorgestrel and had side effects occasionally balked at taking it again. The pregnancy prevention rate with Levonorgestrel is about the same as condoms.
For longer term, I would inject medroxyprogesterone acetate or Depoprovera. This lasts 3 months and is the best birth control outside of getting snipped. Most women have no problem with the injection but some have terrible cramps and bleeding, and it can take months for that to stop. I used to buy this for $20 from far away lands and just give it to my SBs. With no exceptions, they did not balk but were appreciative unless they had the side effects. Unlike in the USA where they are all these safety warnings like having a PAP smear prior to getting it, in Africa, there are no such controls, and the women line up for it, and it is the most popular form of birth control in the world. Thing is in the USA now that has come down and price, and I am seeing the shots going for $25 here now.
I liked it because I did not have to worry about a woman "forgetting" to take their pill. I have also been reading this book one of the manosphere guys recommended called Sperm Wars and it has been very eye opening with regards to how much the subconscious of both men and women play in the reproductive process. A lot of times a woman "forgets" taking her pill, apparently her subconscious is willing her to do so. I highly recommend the book.
Upon reflection though, this has been a bigger issue than I recall. I had one SB who did get pregnant once. She was honest in that she had been with another guy, but speaking of subconscious, I had a dream of something living inside of me, so when she said that she was pregnant, I said, "I have a feeling it is mine. " She had four kids and did not want a fifth and asked for some financial help and I gladly gave it to her and she took care of it.
Thing is in this world there is a lot of bullshitting about being pregnant. I had one woman I got together with after a year hiatus who claimed I impregnated her and she miscarried, and I thought she was full of shit and being manipulative. Reuniting with a SB always turned out to be a bad idea.
One thing I prided myself on was leaving my wallet out in front of trusted SBs in Colombian and Mexico. Of all the times I was abroad, I only had one time a woman steal from me, and THAT women claimed a month later that I impregnated her, so I blocked her and never heard from her again. I would bet my life that she was full of shit.
Then there was the SB who said my chances of being the father of her kid was less than 10%. She was one of those SBs that was a good woman, and she was living with a guy that she did not trust would be a good father and there was no doubt in her mind that she was not ready to be a mother. So I probably did not have to help her out, but I did. Less than 10% did not make me feel comfortable.
You think all this would cause a remarkable amount of stress, but they really did not. The women were going to do what they wanted to do or they were full of shit. All that I had to do was assist in a decision that they had already made.
There was one time though that a SB was pregnant, and she said the baby was mine, and I think she would have kept it with some kind of commitment from me. That was tough. It was at the point in my life where I would have welcomed a child, but something just was not right. I was ambivalent with her and when she saw the lack of commitment from me, she did what she had to do. It was the only time I felt guilt, and I still do when I think about it.
Thing is we had stopped seeing each other and two months later, she was pregnant again and that time it was definitely not mine and she chose not to be a mother again. I guess I could say, "Shit, it was probably that guy's kid the first time too", but I really do not believe that to be true.
Thing is after reading Sperm Wars and how much the subconscious controls women and pregnancy, I could see her having sex with another guy and totally blocking it out of her mind. Women subconsciously distinguish between a man they see as a good genetic sperm donor but a shitty person and one they see as a good provider but less than ideal sperm donor. Point is that I could see many SDs being collared as fathers who are not and maybe that was what was going on with the woman above.
Thing is that in Sperm Wars, there is this war to be the guy who fathers the most children, and I really do not feel that way. Maybe it is because the father is nowhere to be seen, but I am closer to my gal's daughter than any children I am genetically linked to. I don't want to be the father of an asshole regardless of whose sperm gave life to that child. How do you guys feel about that? Do you think that they have to be your genetic child for you to totally love them?
Elvis 2008
10-19-25, 11:56
The thing that makes withdraw risky is that there's no 100% proof why some men's pre ejaculate contains sperm, and other men's does not. In fact, there's even inconsistency among the same man, where sometimes his precum has sperm, and other times it doesn't. The leading theory is that if it does contain sperm, it's sperm that was sitting in the urethra from the last ejaculation. If you believe that theory, then sperm cannot survive in the urethra for much more than several hours, due to the acidic environment and temperature. So, how do pregnancies happen from precum if the last ejaculation was 24 hours ago? There's other researchers that say a small amount of cum may be released before the main load blows out. Seems not particularly reliable to me.Withdrawing is not reliable, and I do not want anyone to think it is. I was just giving my experience. In fact, another SB was giving me head and she said that she could taste my pre-cum at the time meaning I could have gotten the SB pregnant. I thought the less sperm the better, but I learned from the book how many different types of sperm there are and how even jerking off and having less sperm can actually make your sperm more potent. For something we all thought we could control, this book was quite the eye opener with how little we really do. I did not give the SB claiming to be pregnant plan be though.
I'm sure there's plenty of documented cases out there where adoptive parents were more dedicated to their children than biological parents. The thing is. If there's ever a serious rift between the kid and the parents, especially if the kid is an adolescent or even an adult, either side can always fall back on the argument "you're not my real dad / mom / child" and there's no defensible reason not to end the relationship. Whereas with blood bound families, then the perpetrator is identified as simply being a rat. If the parents abuse the kid, then the parents are just shit. Or if the kid grows up to be a mass murder, then the kid is shit. But with adopted families, you always have the excuse to walk away based on that person not being biologically related.Yeah, it is so common for women to put all their energy into the child, they neglect the husband or male mate and the male looks for fun elsewhere. Then the woman calls the guy all kinds of names and he leaves. Instead of admitting the error, she trashes the husband / partner to their children. I had something like this happen and have seen it happen to others way too often. I was shocked to hear a woman or two admit that they neglected their partner and lost them. Not all women are in denial about this common misdeed I guess.
In my case, coming in as the step father type, I have been appreciated as both mother and daughter have seen how much I add to the family, and I can usually tell if a kid is bad or not even at an early age. To have a good kid versus having to play the genetic lottery of conception was quite a blessing.
In some countries like Brazil or RD, abortion is all but illegal unless the mother's life is in danger, or the doctor signs off that the baby is likely to be stillbornLOL. And in the Philippines, it is illegal to get a divorce. It is amazing how much nicer women are in countries where they do not have so many "rights". T.
Thing is when I read the book Sperm Wars even friggin monkeys know what to take to prevent pregnancy. I am beginning to wonder if we would be better off making abortion illegal and never prosecuting it like we used to do with prostitution. The feminists make it seem like without the legal right to have abortion, we would be back to women with coat hangers and horrible infection. That is not the case. There are a number of pills that cause abortion and a number of methods on line where you can use a hose with a strong flow to induce abortion.
Here is an article that shows papaya leaves induce abortion: https://journalarjgo.com/index.php/ARJGO/article/view/135
It seems like those female monkeys are some pretty smart mo fos. LOL.
Steve 9696
10-19-25, 18:57
Seeking Arrangement Jakarta.
Lots of girls on Seeking but man there is so much variance in pricing. They are all over the map.
I'm using 400 K at classic and 2 M at emporium /1001 as reference points.
Some girls are patently insane wanting 5-10 M. I had one come down to 4 M. But would not budge and I kicked her to the curb. Just seems morally wrong to pay that in Jakarta. She's a real hottie and great chat. But 4 M? Am I off base here?
I have two very hot girls signed up at 1. 5 and 2 M. That seems fair. One wouldn't budge below 3 M but I told her ok to just keep her warm. Will prob take the 1. 5 and / or 2 M girls instead. Not that I can't afford it. It just bugs me girls are getting 400 K at classic and then these girls are charging 3-4 M.
Oh and one quite plain 30 year old who I thought at least might be good in bed and cheap. She scoffed at 1. 5 M and said I can get a bar girl for that. OK. Thats what I will do!
I'the be interested in your thoughts on this.
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Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful.
Before ending this message, I will give an example of a SB I have known for a couple of years in Colombia and I am totally fine with the PPM arrangement we have in place. I have been thinking about inviting her for travel but I have seen that in the last year or so, while she is finishing up her education, she has elevated her game LOL and has been on vacations to the US a couple of times, Mexico, and the latest trip which blew me away was to Europe (London and a couple of cities in Spain). It is without doubt envy on my part but I am just amazed by her trip which I saw on Instagram, she was flown out business class from what I can tell and the accommodation was 5 star hotels in all three cities visited with Michelin star restaurants visited frequently and lots of shopping. Without a doubt, a week long trip like that was easily $10 k plus before any monetary agreement. Please forgive me for sounding envious but I just wanted to mention this experience I have come across, I understand that there will always be far bigger fish out there who spoil these SBs and to be satisfied with the existing PPM as long as its in place and focus on personal growth / achievements to elevate my career rather than waste time and energy on something like this but I felt like sharing this example with the forum.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in advance (specific examples with monetary amounts would be highly appreciated).
Gents,
After leeching off for this forum for years, I would like to provide some info which might be helpful. Would have provided it using old username but forgot the password and can't get email notifications from this site so had to create a new account (anyways that's a separate issue).
Below is based on my experience and includes my opinions, I'm sure some you will agree with and others you will disagree with. The amount provided is based on AVERAGE requested in my experience. Please keep in mind that the USD has weakened against most currencies vs the below experience.
Mexico (CDMX 2022/23) - 4,000 MXN.
Lots of options on the site and first ever city I used SA in and only visited once, looking back for me personally not worth the cost and especially the quality of SBs (especially in comparison to Colombia below which is more or less the same travel time for the most part). Majority of requests were been 3-4 k MXN, lowest around 2. 5 k and there were definitely many requests above 4 k which I didn't entertain as was too expensive in my opinion. USD was much stronger against MXN at the time.
Colombia (Bogota 2022-25) - 500 k COP.
Multiple visits. Many options and good quality. Average request used to be 400 k but has creeped up to 500 k. Besides SBs, there's many options in this country so rates vary but requests on the low end are between 3-400 k. Due to the large number of options on SA here, there are definitely better looking SBs demanding 600 k plus which has been my max but have had multiple requests close to 1 million COP which I have never entertained (even though those SBs might be better optically, in photos anyways).
Brazil (Rio 2023-24) - 600 Reias.
Limited SB options and overall low quality when compared to the two above, not sure if SA is worth it here due to vast other options. 5-600 Reias was on the lower end with some requests for the best looking SBs ranging between 750-1000 Reias. São Paulo seems to have a lot more options and I would like to try SA there in the future, however, it's wild how expensive SP is compared to the rest of Brazil when it comes to SBs or this hobby.
Argentina (Buenos Aires 2023-25) - $200 USD.
Limited SB options. Here comes the part which some of you might disagree with as everyone has their own taste, pound for pound in terms of looks, Argentinian SBs are at the top in South America. However, this also comes with stuck up attitude and a large majority of them have EU citizenship or have traveled there and they know they can demand much higher rates. Average was $200 USD for regular looking SBswhich to me is expensive given that we are in Argentina, there were many much higher requests from better looking ones ranging from $300 and even a few ridiculous requests of $600.
I would love for you gents to share your experiences and comment on the above, please also add to the list if you have experiences in other cities like Santiago and any others where you have seen a good amount of options on SA.
Steve 9696
10-21-25, 23:19
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful.
Before ending this message, I will give an example of a SB I have known for a couple of years in Colombia and I am totally fine with the PPM arrangement we have in place. I have been thinking about inviting her for travel but I have seen that in the last year or so, while she is finishing up her education, she has elevated her game LOL and has been on vacations to the US a couple of times, Mexico, and the latest trip which blew me away was to Europe (London and a couple of cities in Spain). It is without doubt envy on my part but I am just amazed by her trip which I saw on Instagram, she was flown out business class from what I can tell and the accommodation was 5 star hotels in all three cities visited with Michelin star restaurants visited frequently and lots of shopping. Without a doubt, a week long trip like that was easily $10 k plus before any monetary agreement. Please forgive me for sounding envious but I just wanted to mention this experience I have come across, I understand that there will always be far bigger fish out there who spoil these SBs and to be satisfied with the existing PPM as long as its in place and focus on personal growth / achievements to elevate my career rather than waste time and energy on something like this but I felt like sharing this example with the forum.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in advance (specific examples with monetary amounts would be highly appreciated).I've done this maybe 58 times. And it's been awesome. Always with an SB I know. In general I never discuss time with girls. Like I don't say out date will be 4-5 hrs. We just have the date. Some girls leave later thst night and some sleep over. PPM is PPM regardless of timeline.
I use this same approach when I travel a girl. If I was paying her $300/ date I will pay her $300/ day when we travel. Sometimes I try to squeeze this if it's a really expensive girl like $500. I tell her I'll give her $1000 for 3 days say.
This has always worked well because you have to like each other a lot to want to spend that time together.
I caution AGAINST the "don't pay her at all" approach. I only did this once and it destroyed our relationship. I flew her from London to LA and she agreed to not charge anything. Normally 500/ visit. Sounds great right? Well we did have a great time but she acted like a real GF in the bad sense. As in " I'm too tired. I have a headache " etc. And we had a BJ one night and that was it. At the end I told her I was done because no sex. And she was floored. She thought it was optional. Because that's the way GFs are. Nope. Done.
So don't think going free is a good idea. It's not. Pay a fair rate and keep her in SB land.
Steve 9696
10-22-25, 01:41
I've done this maybe 58 times. And it's been awesome. Always with an SB I know. In general I never discuss time with girls. Like I don't say out date will be 4-5 hrs. We just have the date. Some girls leave later thst night and some sleep over. PPM is PPM regardless of timeline.
I use this same approach when I travel a girl. If I was paying her $300/ date I will pay her $300/ day when we travel. Sometimes I try to squeeze this if it's a really expensive girl like $500. I tell her I'll give her $1000 for 3 days say.
This has always worked well because you have to like each other a lot to want to spend that time together.
I caution AGAINST the "don't pay her at all" approach. I only did this once and it destroyed our relationship. I flew her from London to LA and she agreed to not charge anything. Normally 500/ visit. Sounds great right? Well we did have a great time but she acted like a real GF in the bad sense. As in " I'm too tired. I have a headache " etc. And we had a BJ one night and that was it. At the end I told her I was done because no sex. And she was floored. She thought it was optional. Because that's the way GFs are. Nope. Done.
So don't think going free is a good idea. It's not. Pay a fair rate and keep her in SB land.Haha. Was suppose to say 5 to 8 times. Not 58.
Haha. Was suppose to say 5 to 8 times. Not 58.First of all, I would like to thank you for all your posts and the information you share. I have been reading your posts for years and always enjoy reading your detailed and fascinating experiences haha.
I would like to follow up with a few questions specifically related to travels with SBs. Once again, I understand that each SD / SB relationship is unique and each SD's capability and SB's demands will be different. Apologize if you feel some of these questions might be personal so please feel free to ignore them.
I) have you ever had relations sour with a SB if you didn't plan to fly her out business class / premium economy?
II) having traveled with SBs a few times, would you say the experience has been overall worth it for you?
III) and lastly do you think the kind of trip I described in my original post where the SD is spending easily over a minimum of $10 k plus on SB travel are more normal than we would think? Wondering if there are only a certain number of SDs willing to do so and SBs on Seeking would have to compete with others for such SDs. This is just to get an idea and hear from you based on what you might know in your SD circle or experiences you've heard through acquaintances.
My overall aim here is to gather information related to SB travel and then decide for myself if it's truly worth it. I would hate to propose the idea to a favorite SB and then things sour over details / finances involved and to make things worse for it to ruin the existing PPM relationship. Thanks.
VanessasClient
10-22-25, 07:39
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful.
Before ending this message, I will give an example of a SB I have known for a couple of years in Colombia and I am totally fine with the PPM arrangement we have in place. I have been thinking about inviting her for travel but I have seen that in the last year or so, while she is finishing up her education, she has elevated her game LOL and has been on vacations to the US a couple of times, Mexico, and the latest trip which blew me away was to Europe (London and a couple of cities in Spain). It is without doubt envy on my part but I am just amazed by her trip which I saw on Instagram, she was flown out business class from what I can tell and the accommodation was 5 star hotels in all three cities visited with Michelin star restaurants visited frequently and lots of shopping. Without a doubt, a week long trip like that was easily $10 k plus before any monetary agreement. Please forgive me for sounding envious but I just wanted to mention this experience I have come across, I understand that there will always be far bigger fish out there who spoil these SBs and to be satisfied with the existing PPM as long as its in place and focus on personal growth / achievements to elevate my career rather than waste time and energy on something like this but I felt like sharing this example with the forum.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in advance (specific examples with monetary amounts would be highly appreciated).There was only 1 girl who proved to be reliable enough to consistently keep her word in regards to travel arrangements. That girl has since given birth to the baby of another man. In fact, she found out she was pregnant on our last trip, because she was vomiting everywhere, and thought she had morning sickness, so she took a pregnancy test when we got back to our hotel. Maybe one day when her daughter asks where she was when she first found out she was pregnant, she will get a very interesting story.
I have had multiple other girls balk for any number of reasons. The success rate is VERY low. The only time I would ever advise it, is if money is completely inconsequential to you, AND you don't mind going on the trip alone, as well as not attempting to clean up the mess. By clean up the mess, I mean calling hotels and trying to get your money back on non refundable reservations, or sending documents to your credit card company to support your version of the dispute. You'll spend hours contacting tour operators, transport companies, and everything in between trying to recover from the mess the ***** left behind. So again, if you can spend very large sums of money willy nilly without even giving it a second thought, and are willing to just abandon everything when she comes up with some excuse as to why she can't make it, then yes it might be for you. In any other circumstance, not only is it not worth the financial risk, it's also not worth the headache of dealing with last minute "changes. " You will never be the priority of any one of these girls. They will place family members in front of you, not get to the airport on time, or simply choose to engage in some other activity because they are lazy and stupid. I strongly discourage trying to set up these kinds of arrangements.
Hey guys,
How is Guadalajara Seeking scene? And how is it compared to CDMX? I'm familiar with CDMX, but it seems like it is way overpriced now. Looking for a better value. Not only in terms of the ladies, but also accommodations, restaurants, etc. Plus, I have never been to GDL and new experiences is always a good thing.
Elvis 2008
10-23-25, 04:41
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful..1. If there is a good chance she may back out, do not do it! In the USA, half of my SBs backed out, and the excuse was dead father so often that my friends joked every time I made plans for a trip with a SB, there would be a rash of deaths.
2. Why are you doing it? If you are at all uncertain about a woman showing up, you should be in a place where there are other options available. Stupidly, I booked Cancun a few times which has a shit P4 P scene instead of planning a trip to Puerto Vallarta which has a great one.
3. It should not just be about sex. IMO, the woman needs to be great in bed, have an upbeat personality, be fun, and if I am spending some big scratch, she better be really hot. If you do not have that, you are better playing in the beach where you are then bringing in your own sand.
4. How are you or you and her going to be when the unexpectedly bad things happen? If the plane is on the tarmac for 5 hours, is that going to be a time from hell for you or for her? Or is it going to be a chance where you make the best of it and get to know each other?
5. We all have done the airport thing so much, we forget how irrationally and fucked up some of the rules are. Some women skate through the airports no problem. Others, fall on their faces time and again.
Trips will magnify your relationship as you really get to know each other. It can enhance them but for the less than desirable SBs it often meant the end of their time with me as I got to know them more. So trips should be reserved for the SBs you have good or great relationships with versus P4 P types of SBs.
As for other suggestions, I suggest you start domestic and do a quick jaunt before a weeks long one. Tickets are way cheaper and you will get a feel if she is worthy of a longer flight, and the women are not questioned on why they are traveling.
A single attractive girl from a poor country is going to attract suspicion of being trafficked if the country she is flying into cares about those things. Europe does not seem to be an issue, but the Americas, particularly North American countries, are skittish about single female travelers. It is much less of an issue if you accompany her.
Look up wiki and the law, the Mann Act, and see when it has been applied. I do not think anyone gives a damn if you are flying a Latina to Europe or Asia but you should know the law and have plausible deniability if confronted.
Chase has a great deal with British Airways now. I guess it was so good they already have reduced it. With me, it was spend $7500 on anything over 6 months and get 100,000 avios miles. Now it is $5000 over 3 months and 85,000 miles. Avios is mostly European airlines but they have added Qatar Air and as part of the One World alliance you can use Avios on some American Airlines flights.
For most Latinas, flying to Madrid or Barcelona is easiest for them as there is no need for a visa and they speak the language. With a few exceptions like the UK, once you are in Europe, flying around is like flying domestic, and there is no customs nonsense to deal with. Roundtrip to Madrid is 40,000 miles last I checked so you and your lady can fly to Madrid for just the $95 fee the card costs.
With Asia, there are a few flights out of Mexico that a Latina might get on. Thing is unless they have a USA visa going through the USA cannot be done. My gal's daughter is nuts about Korea and it looks like they will first fly to Madrid and then the best choices are through Qatar, Helsinki, or Istanbul. Although shorter time wise, the cost was much more. Cheap airline seats do not bother them but I cannot stand them.
Flights to Asia from the USA were cheap. Thing is there is premium economy that has business class type seats as long as you fly the Asian based airlines like Cathay Pacific or Singapore Airlines. Zip Air has business class type seating, bed like, at premium economy prices, but they have weird rules and flights are mostly to Japan which has tough visa rules. For business class to Europe, JFK in NYC is half the price of other American airports and you should look at Iceland Air or my favorite Azores Airlines as their prices for biz class are way less than competitors. The Azores islands are called the Hawaiian Islands of Europe and even though I have passed through, I wished I could have stayed there longer.
By the way, while you might be there for fun, sex, and company, the women always were wanting to show off. Too often the women were obsessed with lining their Instagram with photos.
It is the rare woman that you are not going to get bored with after a few days, and that is why the most fun trips I ever took were with two or three women. If this interests you, I suggest you do a short trip domestically with two women who are into each other and see how it goes. Funny thing with women is that if they are kissing or worse but it is part of a threesome that does not mean they are dykes but good women trying to please their man. LOL.
If you do the 2 or 3 women trip, don't do two hotel rooms. Get an Airbnb. If you do the 2 hotel rooms, the women may get comfortable in their rooms and hate to leave them.
The trips I took with two and three women were among the most fun things I ever did in my life. On those trips, the women had so much damned fun, they did not even asked to get paid. Of course, I splurged on us having fun. Good luck. And hope that helps.
NoBuglyFitches
10-23-25, 07:08
decide for myself if it's truly worth it. I would hate to propose the idea to a favorite SB and then things sour over details / finances I've done many trips with SBs, inc from SoAm.
My first advice would be to start smaller. If your SB is in Colombia, do a weekend beach trip in Colombia. Pay her, have a good time and discuss a trip to Europe. Is she fine flying Economy, do you have a good vibe to spend a week together, is it ok if you can't pay her much etc.
My second advice is to be clear with yourself about what you want to do and why. Her plane tickets to Europe, nicer hotels and restaurants than for yourself alone, plus shopping etc will get expensive.
So if you just want a pretty girl on your arm while you walk around Paris or Madrid, just use Seeking there. Her schedule, her monthly period and many other factors could screw up your expensive EU trip.
Or you're interested in this girl and are looking for a way to convert her from SB to vanilla?
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so...Your last paragraph reminded me of myself when I started using SA and feel head over heals over this SB. Rejected all the other POTs, because of this girl, maybe being naive or fresh out of a relationship but man I fancied that girl like anything only to realize it was just a dream. I will tell you why though, it was not the sex I mean at best she was a 6-7 but the affection she bestowed, checking in on you, sharing selfie pics while at work, sharing her life updates and even baking for me. LOL. We both deleted our SA account after we started the arrangement.
Few days before I had planned to take her to a 5* resort in Canary Islands for a surprise I find out she had rejoined SA long back and had another SD paying her 3 X more than what I was paying her.
Boy I was envious and jealous of that guy and then calmed down and realized there is always someone paying them more and giving them more and it is like this endless cycle which goes on and on.
So can definitely relate to how you must have felt.
In order of priority from my EU / UK experience.
1. SB Profiles are just 'profiles' until you meet. Do not fall for the sweet talk from girls pretending to be SBs. If the girl is willing to meet and asking for money upfront first time then most likely she is *not* an SB, she is just another WG.
2. Genuine SBs will have an 'agenda' for asking money upfront. You can be upfront about it and encourage the conversation for e. G how much is your budget and how much you are prepared to spend for her travel and needs. For e. G one girl who I met wanted me to buy her an iphone last year. So yes, if you see her fulfilling her lavish dreams other than of course coming to bed with me- those SBs are gems imo. Needless to mention, she was not great in bed.
3. Genuine SBs don't do clock watching. Another litmust test for WG v SB.
Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
Steve 9696
10-29-25, 03:49
I often describe Seeking as a massive pile of bullshit with a diamond hidden inside. Found a diamond tonight!
So my home girl G is lotsa fun and a really nice girl. We've been together over a year. But the past couple months she's been fading a bit in the GF department. Yes the sex is still great but the rest of it. The little kisses. The affection. Making out like high schoolers. That all has kinda evaporated like it does with your wife and I already have one of those!
So I've been browsing Seeking from time to time just to see if anything else exists. It's generally a painful and depressing slog in my town and G remains top dog despite her recent shortcomings.
But when I was out with a friend Friday night I was showing him how bad Seeking is locally and came across two girls worth my time. As this never happens, I messaged them both right there in the bar.
A day or two later they both responded but one goes cold right away and the other heats up quick. She's an Indian girl (my first!) who goes to college here locally. We strike up some chat and I quickly move her to text so I don't lose her.
Then, two nights ago we agree we kinda like each other and let's go out! Happened super quick and set the date for tonight. Italian at a vibey place I know that she had not been to.
Leading up to the date, the sex talk is sending mixed signals. She says she's not on birth control because it doesn't agree with her. And I say that's ok I have a vasectomy and she says "Niceeee" so I'm thinking bareback is on. Sweet.
Then, she says can you (me) bring some lube? This sets off little alarm bells because pros need lube but "real girls" don't. But when I think this through more carefully I realize a pro wouldn't ask. And would have their own lube. Maybe she's just a complete newbie? Or one of those girls (rare) that doesn't get wet naturally.
So I respond that she shouldn't need it because I'm going to get her worked up but if she wants it she should get her own because I don't know what she will like. And she says she will get it. Ok. Def not your usual convo with a 25 year old girl.
So we plan our meetup and she shows in some cute pants and a crop top, cut strategically to show her ample cleavage. She has a gorgeous face an 8 or maybe a 9 if you like Indians and those tits are clearly top shelf naturals. Wow. I'm impressed.
You can tell she's nervous because she's very chatty, but I am a pretty masterful first date guy and put her instantly at ease and we have a lovely dinner. She confesses that she's only been on the site a week and I am her first meetup. Said once she started chatting with me she kinda ignored everyone else. Damn. Lucky break to have found her. Because she's smoking hot and innocent as an untouched farm girl. (She later confessed that I am only the third guy she's been with!
She says she gets drunk super easy and she ain't lying. She's loopy halfway into her glass of wine. And fully lit after one glass! After dinner we bounce to the vape store and get her a Geek Bar (she's thrilled because she doesn't have a car and can't get over to the next county where flavored vapes are legal).
After that we bounce to the hotel no questions. For being very new she seems comfortable with this part. Tho when we get in the room she pops under the covers fully clothed. After taking a pee I take the cue and join her fully clothed.
Doesn't take long before she lifts her head and our lips are inches apart and it's on. The French kissing is deep and passionate and I start squeezing what turn out to be the most banging set of perfect tits I've had in a long time. Perfect 34 C and firm and lovely as fuck, with responsive nipples.
Her newness to this is showing but in the best way. Just kissing and tit feeling and she's starting to pant. And once I get her bra off and start sucking those beauties she's a goner! She reaches inside my pants to get at my dick but it's pretty tight down there and before long we are both butt ass naked and ready to rumble.
Normally I'the have her blow me first, but I want to definitely get her sloppy wet so I start a slow descent from licking her nipples or licking her stomach to licking either side of her pussy or just above her clit. This teasing has her grinding and moaning and when I finally reach heaven with my tongue she's a sloppy wet mess. No lube required!
I prob spend about 15 minutes down there and she goes through all the grinding and moaning and ecstasy you might imagine culminating in a small O I don't want the big O to kinda kill things off, so I proceed to position for entry at side of bed.
But even tho she is wet as fuck she is super tight and as I ease in it's hurting her. I've been with a few really tight girls and know the remedy so I flip on my back so she can control the insert.
But first some BJ. She starts a fair BJ. No BLS at first but we fix that. And suction is a bit light but still feels good. Def got to coach her up here but not horrible.
After a bit I pull her up face to face so she can mount cowgirl at her own pace. Nonetheless it's def a struggle and she's grimacing. I coach her to go in a little and back out then in farther and back out. It's maddening but so sexy at the same time. And before you know it I'm balls deep and she's grinding like a pro!
Of course now I want to take control and fuck her and she def relaxed enough for that so I ask her what position she wants to change to and she says mish. Ok. It's on! Mounting up mish she feels heavenly and we make out like fiends while fucking. I fucking love that!
We try The Steve for a while and she seems to really like that. At one point I get one knee on the bed and we are face to face tangling tongues and I think I might get there but it fades.
We take a little break but not for long and snuggle some before I put her back on BJ. I show her harmonica but she's not super good at it. Next time! We do a bit of 69 and then it's doggie with me standing bedside. Fuck she feels really good in doggie, which most girls don't for me. I feel some build but lose it.
Eventually I flop down beside her and we have some quite interesting pillow talk. Since she's only been with three guys including me she has little frame of reference. She asks if she has a good body (yes smoking!) and how does her pussy feel compared to other girls (some are more smooth deep inside and some have more texture. She's the latter.) She finds all this fascinating and frankly it's making me a little hard again. She's also fascinated that I haven't cum yet nearly an hour in and I explain that's the way with older guys.
I had resigned myself to not cumming (need a great BJ) but have an epiphany. She brought lube! Maybe I can wank one out. So I position her at the side of the bed legs spread working her pussy while I wank with the lube.
It feels super good and her pussy is beautiful and frankly she's building to an O and her amazing firm see cups are lightly jostling as she moans and squirms and fuck it's sexy.
But what puts it over the top is when I insert a finger. I keep wanking but start to finger bang her at the same time, finger curled back and hitting her gspot. And damn she is liking this. She stops banging her clit and let's me hit her gspot and she is going nuts. And I am feeling the build. Hacking off while fingering her pussy in rhythm is amazing. I finally I shoot a nice couple shots, hitting my finger banging hand and her pussy a bit. Wow. Amazing finish.
A little more cuddle and pillow talk and we are on our way. Definite repeat! And that the way Seeking is supposed to work! A+.
AmericanPi
10-30-25, 15:32
This isn't really a seeking report. But it's the closest thing to it.
Had the opportunity to spend a week in Manila. First of all, not a great city. It's just big and trafficky and ugly.
Wanted to take out true civilian girls and bang them. So I hit up local dating sites (do your own research) and started putting out feelers to 18-22 year old cute locals. For reasons better in another post, white guys can do quite well in Philippines. There's a cultural unearned advantage.
Anyways as soon as I had a bite I'd move to WhatsApp and ask "so do you know what a sugar daddy is?" Almost all do.
And I'd make an offer that in local terms is seen as almost excessively generous. About 200 dollars to do dinner and spend the night.
Now, most couldn't. They live with their parents and need to be home at night, even as adults. And many pleaded to just be OK staying out late. Some even offered up their friends who had more lax situations at home.
I had time, and patience, and wanted my nights to go well. So I kept my eye on the prize: hot, 18-22, staying the night. This took work. Maybe 30 messages sent per girl to come out the bottom of the funnel.
But goddamn was it worth it.
Two highlights in particular.
One girl who was not as cute in person but was so earnest and innocent. Turned out she'd only had sex with one guy before. She was so self conscious it was actually cute. Was a straight A student who just graduated college and couldn't land her first job and was thankful for the money. She texted me afterwards to ask me if she sexually satisfied me. She wanted to make sure.
The other one was an 18 year old from the province who took a bus 3 hours to meet me. She just wanted to do something out of character. She's bored living in a rural area and I gave her an opportunity to come to a 5 star hotel and be doted on. We ended up spending 2.5 days together. Took her to a museum, to cool restaurants and bars. Bought her some clothes that were so cute but cost very little by American standards.
She was such a tight bone it was crazy. The next day told me she didn't want to tell me she was a virgin because she was afraid I wouldn't want to be with her. I was kinda bummed because if I had known I just would have approached the night differently. It was interesting to see how after 10 sex sessions (we had a lot of sex) a girl goes from being super tight to more or less how she'll be.
It was really sad to leave that behind.
Steve 9696
10-30-25, 17:15
This isn't really a seeking report. But it's the closest thing to it.
Had the opportunity to spend a week in Manila. First of all, not a great city. It's just big and trafficky and ugly.
Wanted to take out true civilian girls and bang them. So I hit up local dating sites (do your own research) and started putting out feelers to 18-22 year old cute locals. For reasons better in another post, white guys can do quite well in Philippines. There's a cultural unearned advantage.
Anyways as soon as I had a bite I'd move to WhatsApp and ask "so do you know what a sugar daddy is?" Almost all do.
And I'd make an offer that in local terms is seen as almost excessively generous. About 200 dollars to do dinner and spend the night.
Now, most couldn't. They live with their parents and need to be home at night, even as adults. And many pleaded to just be OK staying out late. Some even offered up their friends who had more lax situations at home.
I had time, and patience, and wanted my nights to go well. So I kept my eye on the prize: hot, 18-22, staying the night. This took work. Maybe 30 messages sent per girl to come out the bottom of the funnel.
But goddamn was it worth it.
Two highlights in particular.
One girl who was not as cute in person but was so earnest and innocent. Turned out she'd only had sex with one guy before. She was so self conscious it was actually cute. Was a straight A student who just graduated college and couldn't land her first job and was thankful for the money. She texted me afterwards to ask me if she sexually satisfied me. She wanted to make sure.
The other one was an 18 year old from the province who took a bus 3 hours to meet me. She just wanted to do something out of character. She's bored living in a rural area and I gave her an opportunity to come to a 5 star hotel and be doted on. We ended up spending 2.5 days together. Took her to a museum, to cool restaurants and bars. Bought her some clothes that were so cute but cost very little by American standards.
She was such a tight bone it was crazy. The next day told me she didn't want to tell me she was a virgin because she was afraid I wouldn't want to be with her. I was kinda bummed because if I had known I just would have approached the night differently. It was interesting to see how after 10 sex sessions (we had a lot of sex) a girl goes from being super tight to more or less how she'll be.
It was really sad to leave that behind.This is 100% the shit we live for! Taking a poor country girl and showing her an amazing time. Dedicated amazing GF for a few days. And then rock on. You banked (banged?) an amazing experience. And will no doubt do it again. Awesome.
Steve 9696
10-31-25, 15:28
Of course many of us love a seeking girl who is very real and not a full time pro. I was just thinking back on the girls I've seen and here is a list of professions. Some of these I've seen multiple girls in that job category.
Waitress.
College Student.
Customer Service Rep.
Yoga Instructor.
Stripper.
Med Student.
Office Manager.
Receptionist.
Care Giver.
Maid.
Law Student.
Gamer. Influencer.
Chemist.
Actress.
Model.
Office Admin.
Cashier.
Claims Specialist.
Retail.
DJ.
PR Specialist.
Amazon warehouse worker.
Purchasing Agent.
Of course the common theme is they don't make a lot of money! But it's been so much fun to have a slice of life with these gorgeous and fun women.
TedFerguson
11-02-25, 06:33
Recently arrived in Bangkok and while the city has cool things to do, it's not exactly comfortable and challenging to find connection here. Most of the women (or people even) I've talked to behave like NPCs (non player characters for those of you who don't play video games), as in you have a very limited number of things you can talk to them about or do with them, but when you try to go beyond this, it doesn't go well. There's only so much sticky rice one can eat before getting tired and looking for greener pastures.
I prefer places where you can walk to get food (preferably organic), walk to the gym, and generally have a good routine which allows for productivity. The best places for me were in Spain and Portugal, where the girls were close to LatAm hot yet the quality of life was European-grade. I have a friend visiting Taiwan in late December so I'd like to stick around but don't think anywhere in this area fits that bill.
- Kuala Lumpur has similarly amazing food to Thailand, but the scene is dead. Their local sugar website, sugar book, seems like a scammy mix between Seeking and OnlyFans.
- Bali seems cool, but you'd have to be ok with scootering everywhere and the injury risk that goes along with that. And paying exorbitant prices for non-local girls.
- Jakarta doesn't seem comfortable to live in, although the Seeking action is there even if the girls are mid-level in looks. I've been traumatized by mosques waking me up at 6:30 am in Muslim countries.
- Vietnam would not be more comfortable than Thailand, and the girls would be more distant.
- Taiwan would be more comfortable, but the girls seem pretty much nonexistent.
- Manila would probably be the best option for Seeking, with cute girls that speak English and communicate well. But the food seems to be straight up bad, like even worse than US food.
- Singapore would probably work, albeit at a high price. Airbnb is banned so I'd have to find a serviced apartment. This might be the only option beyond just hunkering down in Bangkok and finding a reasonably comfy place near the BTS, and accepting the country's limitations?
For those with more experience, did I miss anything?
AmericanPi
11-02-25, 15:49
Recently arrived in Bangkok and while the city has cool things to do, it's not exactly comfortable and challenging to find connection here. Most of the women (or people even) I've talked to behave like NPCs (non player characters for those of you who don't play video games), as in you have a very limited number of things you can talk to them about or do with them, but when you try to go beyond this, it doesn't go well. There's only so much sticky rice one can eat before getting tired and looking for greener pastures.
I prefer places where you can walk to get food (preferably organic), walk to the gym, and generally have a good routine which allows for productivity. The best places for me were in Spain and Portugal, where the girls were close to LatAm hot yet the quality of life was European-grade. I have a friend visiting Taiwan in late December so I'd like to stick around but don't think anywhere in this area fits that bill.
- Kuala Lumpur has similarly amazing food to Thailand, but the scene is dead. Their local sugar website, sugar book, seems like a scammy mix between Seeking and OnlyFans.Since I was just in Manila I can speak on this one.
The girls are quite hot, acquiescent, speak English, and require very little money to be considered very generous. Also the city is cheap as hell. You can get a 2 hour massage in a 4 star place for like 30 bucks.
And I disagree about the food. It's true that Filipino food sucks. But I ate that all of zero times. There's plenty of international cuisine at four star places and it can be had cheaply.
Despite all that I don't quite recommend Manila. Why? It's just a boring city. I don't know how to describe it but there's nothing really to do. It's hot and humid, and they have a lot of shopping malls. So many shopping malls. But there are no interesting neighborhoods and nice architecture and things to visit or see or do. Really all there is to do is take girls to dinner and bang them. But apart from that it's just a large nondescript anonymous bland city.
VanessasClient
11-03-25, 01:55
Hmmm, I've been to Asia before, but it's not a frequent repeat for me. Most of the places in that general are are hot and humid year round. Frequent problems with invasive insects, and unless you are super thin, you'll be sweating all the time you are outside, at risk for things like jungle rot, etc. Lots of problems with poor air quality, and that area in general is subject to natural disasters; earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, etc.
Taiwan is actually one of your better options, but because the economic opportunities there are usually good, there's not a lot of women who work in prostitution. They are out there, but you have to dig a little deeper to find them. I think you'll generally find more working girls in the southern and eastern part of the country, but those areas tend to be less developed with less major access to resources.
If I were going to go to a place that has that many problems with traffic, air pollution, and general noise / bustle, I would just go to South America. More risk of armed robbery and similar violent crimes, but everything else is better. Similar time zone, plus Spanish and Portuguese are generally much easier to learn than the Oriental languages.
Just my 2 cents.
Recently arrived in Bangkok and while the city has cool things to do, it's not exactly comfortable and challenging to find connection here. Most of the women (or people even) I've talked to behave like NPCs (non player characters for those of you who don't play video games), as in you have a very limited number of things you can talk to them about or do with them, but when you try to go beyond this, it doesn't go well. There's only so much sticky rice one can eat before getting tired and looking for greener pastures.
I prefer places where you can walk to get food (preferably organic), walk to the gym, and generally have a good routine which allows for productivity. The best places for me were in Spain and Portugal, where the girls were close to LatAm hot yet the quality of life was European-grade. I have a friend visiting Taiwan in late December so I'd like to stick around but don't think anywhere in this area fits that bill.
- Kuala Lumpur has similarly amazing food to Thailand, but the scene is dead. Their local sugar website, sugar book, seems like a scammy mix between Seeking and OnlyFans.
- Bali seems cool, but you'd have to be ok with scootering everywhere and the injury risk that goes along with that. And paying exorbitant prices for non-local girls.
- Jakarta doesn't seem comfortable to live in, although the Seeking action is there even if the girls are mid-level in looks. I've been traumatized by mosques waking me up at 6:30 am in Muslim countries.
- Vietnam would not be more comfortable than Thailand, and the girls would be more distant.
- Taiwan would be more comfortable, but the girls seem pretty much nonexistent.
- Manila would probably be the best option for Seeking, with cute girls that speak English and communicate well. But the food seems to be straight up bad, like even worse than US food.
- Singapore would probably work, albeit at a high price. Airbnb is banned so I'd have to find a serviced apartment. This might be the only option beyond just hunkering down in Bangkok and finding a reasonably comfy place near the BTS, and accepting the country's limitations?
For those with more experience, did I miss anything?
TedFerguson
11-03-25, 02:58
I should mention that I prefer sugar arrangements, prefer to repeat and stay weeks to months if I like a place. This feels much easier in LatAm, but I still wouldn't go back there because the quality of life is just better in Europe and while more digging is required, many Latinas there too. I got Malaysian sugarbook to work yesterday (needed setting my VPN to Kuala Lumpur), and there are at least enough options to try 1 week there. Once I find a VPN which lets me set my location to Taipei (or if I'm there in person), I'll give it a try there as well. I did see some FLs on MassageRepublic claiming they were students in Taipei, although the prices were high (300). Still, to check off Taiwanese girl from the list, it might work.
Regarding Manila, boring sounds perfect More encouragement to work. The concern I have with the food is that the raw ingredients will suck. As I understand it, the Philippines is bad at growing food so they import a lot of it. Imported food just doesn't taste as good as locally fresh. Unlike Bangkok or even Ho Chi Minh City, there are no dedicated organic stores with produce I've found in Manila. Some stuff is sold at higher end supermarkets, but it seems imported. When I look at their restaurants, it literally seems like they copied the US system for food and eating. Which is quite possibly the worst system outside of starvation: the Maybe I'm wrong, and will try to make at least 1 week's time for it.
TedFerguson
11-06-25, 15:21
Filled with pros from out of town asking outrageous prices (10 k-20 k baht), a pale local girl who wants to be your Asian spinner fantasy for just 25 k baht, and my personal favorite, a local girl who asked me "what condo are you staying at" because she wanted to "know my lifestyle". When we talked about her job, she mentioned having a hair salon, nail salon, real estate and restaurant business. Wonder how she got those by 26.
ThaiFriendly is apparently geared to short-time hookups at your apartment. Closest I got to a real date with decent English is a girl from TF who is leaving Bangkok for the islands and deleted her account. As Steve said in a previous post, when in Bangkok, do Bangkok (meaning the bar scene). Which might be a short-term solution, but is so not my scene. Heading to Manila.
Steve 9696
11-10-25, 07:39
Had a nice time last night with a lovely seeking girl. Wasn't totally the best in some respects. But what a sweet and earnest girl really doing her best.
We met on Seeking Jakarta three weeks ago and had great chat. She was one of the few that was a combination of nice, non-pro and reasonable for the market.
Turns out she is brand new to Seeking and I am her first date. This is quite apparent in chat when she asks for example if we meet up twice does she get allowance / gift each time! 😝She is really just a sweet, poor girl trying to figure it out.
I decide to show her the time of her life and book dinner at Henshin (67th floor of the Westin) and a corner suite at the Westin with a view to die for. She is a little late but I am an easy going guy.
When she arrives she is clearly lovely but a shade off my type due to her green eyes and even more petite than my usual petite taste. Tiniest little thing on the planet. Regardless a very pretty girl.
She is shy and little embarrassed about her English though it's very good. I speak very slowly and we able to converse. She is over the moon about the venue (it IS stunning) and of course the food and service are great.
After dinner we bounce down a floor to the bar, which also has a panoramic view. She didn't drink during dinner, but has two baileys afterwards which I think takes that nervous edge off.
We bounce to the room with little discussion and you can tell she is shy and nervous. I encircle her waist at the window and get some initial touch going. Still a bit shy.
At some point I sit on the bed and have her face me as our faces are now perfectly aligned. But she's a bit shy and turns her back to me but still between my legs. I put my hands on her waist but shortly slide them up to her tiny A cup tits. Working them in circles gets her going and after a bit she turns her head towards me for a kiss.
Things flow much more naturally after her fuse has been lit. And it's not long before she has my dick out and doing a darn good blowjob. We shed our clothes fully and continue. I am thoroughly surprised that for a petite girl she can 90% deep throat my cock. Overall solid BJ points.
I think this girl needed a good fucking because when I go to do DATY I get her pretty worked up just on the approach and when I hit her clit it's like electroshock! Honestly I am only down there maybe two minutes and she just can't take it.
That's ok. Let's move to some sex then. She needs two or three reassurances that I won't cum inside (she is very nervous about this even tho she knows I've had a vasectomy— but fair play, she doesn't know me.) But it's on after that.
With most of the indo girls I've been with it's been a slow and careful insertion over 30-60 seconds and she is similar. But for a girl as tiny as her, I am amazed she can take me balls deep once we get going.
We do all the usual positions. She seems to really enjoy the Steve, as she cranes her neck forward so we can watch my hard cock impaling her tiny body.
I can't cum in the end despite really great fucking and a solid BJ. Too much fucking and too much drink. She is very concerned about this but I assure her it's fine. And it was def not her fault.
I slip 2 M for the date plus 200 K taxi and 300 K for the dress she bought for dinner in her purse. When she finds it later she is overjoyed and I think a little incredulous that she could have an amazing evening, amazing sex, AND come out ahead. Truly a nice girl and a nice time.
VanessasClient
11-21-25, 09:31
Another real life example from the not too distant past. This is with a former Seeking girl; her profile is no longer active.
We negotiate over a month in advance, and this is someone I have physical experience within in the past. I'm going to her country, but not to her particular city. The city I am visiting is a few hours away by land, so she agrees she will pay for the ground transport herself.
So, the morning of, I contact her. The response I get indicates that not only did she not reserve / purchase a bus ticket already, but she doesn't even know the goddamn bus schedule, or even what bus company she will use! As if it wasn't bad enough she did not take the initiative to be prepared for the trip, she doesn't even know when the buses depart, which leaves me in the position of not knowing what time she will arrive. And like I said, she is multiple hours away, and I had initially hoped to coordinate our first day with the approximate time my flight lands, and when I get to the hotel. That's not to mention the bus potentially selling out of empty seats due to trying to get a ticket at the last minute.
So what happens next? She makes some "semi rude" remarks to me, as if I've done something wrong by politely asking her to stick to the original plan. And her excuse for not upholding her original end of the deal? She's complaining about the weather.
So how does this play out for me? I don't get to see her the first day at all, as we had previously agreed. Instead I spend the remainder of the afternoon and evening exploring the area around the hotel, and going to dinner by myself.
So the next day, she finally gets to the bus station. But rather than attempting to rectify the situation by getting there first thing when they open in the morning, she gets there in the afternoon instead. The bus doesn't leave until it's almost dark outside, so by the time she gets to me, it's really late at night. So I also missed the afternoon and most of the evening of the 2nd day too.
Granted that after she arrived, her behavior was mostly appropriate and on par. And to be fair, I will lend credence to her in that she did get legitimately sick. Thankfully nothing contagious, but something I know with 100% certainty was real. It's not the kind of "illness" you can fake. Imagine someone having an allergic reaction to food for instance; if their face turns red and their throat starts swelling to the extent they cannot breathe, this obviously is not something you can fake.
Anyway, we had agreed beforehand that I give her xxx and she's comfortable having sex at least once per day. In the end I only get half the amount of sex I hoping for, but on top of that, I basically miss two full afternoons and evenings, and even one morning that we should have had together. And that's besides the fact that I paid for a wasted night for her room reservation at the hotel.
It just goes to show you that the value you get may not necessarily be what you originally agreed to. In this particular case I don't regret the experience because I still had fun overall. But my financial risks in this scenario were VERY low. I wasn't paying for her to come to me, and I had only prepaid for one night at the hotel as a deposit. If she was a no call no show, I could just lock my credit card, and if the hotel attempted to charge the remaining balance after I checked out, at worst I could just dispute it if it somehow managed to get past the card lock.
Some people talk of setting up flights half way across the world, and spending numerous weeks or months together. Doing that is a WAY bigger financial risk than I would have been on the hook for if things go completely south. Especially if you throw in non refundable tickets for popular events that tend to sell out weeks in advance (think Coco Bongo or similar). In this case I was lucky that it was ground transportation, and she was footing the bill. But it also demonstrates that unexpected illness, injury, natural disasters, or other "uncontrollable" factors can interfere. Take your chances if you want, but if I do this in the future, I'm either playing a VERY conservative hand, or I'm likely not doing it at all. Unless the girl steps up to the plate and takes the initiative on some of the expenses, which I would agree to reimburse later. But let's be honest; how many girls working in this industry either have the money to do that, or are willing to trust a guy based on his word alone. If I ever find any foreign travel insurance that allows cancel at any time, for any reason, I will let you know. Until then, my risk tolerance for these kinds of arrangements will be VERY low.
Hey guys! So the dreaded moment arrived. In my sheer stupidity, I tried to upload a new photo for no reason and after it staying in review for an hour or so, I'm now getting the ID verification message along with selfie. There's no way I can do that (Ashley Madison anyone? I've been able to keep this going successfully (both site and with girls) for many years with gift cards and lookalike photo. Very concerned about privacy given home situation. Any pointers here please? How safe is our data with Seeking? I'm assuming new accounts have mandatory verification at sign up? Those who didn't provide government issued ID and selfie, what are you using now?
I really want to be back on Seeking especially given holiday season. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
VanessasClient
12-06-25, 01:13
Hey guys! So the dreaded moment arrived. In my sheer stupidity, I tried to upload a new photo for no reason and after it staying in review for an hour or so, I'm now getting the ID verification message along with selfie. There's no way I can do that (Ashley Madison anyone? I've been able to keep this going successfully (both site and with girls) for many years with gift cards and lookalike photo. Very concerned about privacy given home situation. Any pointers here please? How safe is our data with Seeking? I'm assuming new accounts have mandatory verification at sign up? Those who didn't provide government issued ID and selfie, what are you using now?
I really want to be back on Seeking especially given holiday season. Any help will be greatly appreciated!I wish I had better news for you, but succinct answer is: Getting married is for fools. Yes, Seeking requires all new accounts to have a facial scan in order to be able to send messages. Sorry.
Steve 9696
12-06-25, 01:22
I wish I had better news for you, but succinct answer is: Getting married is for fools. Yes, Seeking requires all new accounts to have a facial scan in order to be able to send messages. Sorry.The good news is the facial scan is not bulletproof proof. I use photos that are a morph between my face and a famous celebrity. They look like me but are arguably not me. This seemed the perfect approach. But then the facial scan. Damn. Well I bit the bullet and did it and it passed as matching my photos! So I am able to continue to use the morphed photos.
I believe but can't guarantee the facial scan is transient once they verify you. As it's not used anywhere but verification there is really no reason to keep it and it's surely a large amount of data.
WaltoDerri
12-15-25, 22:43
The good news is the facial scan is not bulletproof proof. I use photos that are a morph between my face and a famous celebrity. They look like me but are arguably not me. This seemed the perfect approach. But then the facial scan. Damn. Well I bit the bullet and did it and it passed as matching my photos! So I am able to continue to use the morphed photos.
I believe but can't guarantee the facial scan is transient once they verify you. As it's not used anywhere but verification there is really no reason to keep it and it's surely a large amount of data.I got reported by a scorned fake SB who was furious I didn't want to pay for platonic meets. Got reported and banned for "solicitation". Not having much luck on alternative sites and unfortunately the majority of quality SBs are on seeking as much as I dislike them. I can never get past the facial recognition when trying to make a new account so it seems they do indeed save it, at least for some time.
That being said if anyone has the log in for their old account that they don't want anymore I would love to take it off your hands in exchange for compensation that we can agree on. DM me if interested.
NeilGeorge
12-16-25, 06:55
I got reported by a scorned fake SB who was furious I didn't want to pay for platonic meets. Got reported and banned for "solicitation". Not having much luck on alternative sites and unfortunately the majority of quality SBs are on seeking as much as I dislike them. I can never get past the facial recognition when trying to make a new account so it seems they do indeed save it, at least for some time.
That being said if anyone has the log in for their old account that they don't want anymore I would love to take it off your hands in exchange for compensation that we can agree on. DM me if interested.Does not matter, they take your PC internet access ID number and will not allow you to access.
WaltoDerri
12-18-25, 14:07
Does not matter, they take your PC internet access ID number and will not allow you to access.I actually had success with making a new account with a new device and hotel wifi. That one got shut down but it was shut down due to a separate complaint. That being said my offer to buy a seeking account off someone else still stands. Ideally if you never had your photos up.
It's amazing how these disingenuous softcore hoors know how to show up right on time during the "giving" part of the year LOL! I've had three pop up out of the blue just to say "Hi" apparently hahaha!
NeilGeorge
12-18-25, 23:50
I actually had success with making a new account with a new device and hotel wifi. That should probably work. They take your IP address when you sign up. If you can use a mobile devise and sign up with hotel WIFI you should get thru.
WaltoDerri
12-23-25, 14:46
That should probably work. They take your IP address when you sign up. If you can use a mobile devise and sign up with hotel WIFI you should get thru.Yes except now I can't get past the face scan BS hence why I am offering compensation for an old account from someone not using theirs anymore.
In your case, wonder how the cost of a 2 HR bus travel she undertook from her pocket can be compared or equated to overall SB dating payment, that is incomparable to any standards.
Another real life example from the not too distant past. This is with a former Seeking girl; her profile is no longer active.
We negotiate over a month in advance, and this is someone I have physical experience within in the past. I'm going to her country, but not to her particular city. The city I am visiting is a few hours away by land, so she agrees she will pay for the ground transport herself.
So, the morning of, I contact her. The response I get indicates that not only did she not reserve / purchase a bus ticket already, but she doesn't even know the goddamn bus schedule, or even what bus company she will use! As if it wasn't bad enough she did not take the initiative to be prepared for the trip, she doesn't even know when the buses depart, which leaves me in the position of not knowing what time she will arrive. And like I said, she is multiple hours away, and I had initially hoped to coordinate our first day with the approximate time my flight lands, and when I get to the hotel. That's not to mention the bus potentially selling out of empty seats due to trying to get a ticket at the last minute.
So what happens next? She makes some "semi rude" remarks to me, as if I've done something wrong by politely asking her to stick to the original plan. And her excuse for not upholding her original end of the deal? She's complaining about the weather.
So how does this play out for me? I don't get to see her the first day at all, as we had previously agreed. Instead I spend the remainder of the afternoon and evening exploring the area around the hotel, and going to dinner by myself.
So the next day, she finally gets to the bus station. But rather than attempting to rectify the situation by getting there first thing when they open in the morning, she gets there in the afternoon instead. The bus doesn't leave until it's almost dark outside, so by the time she gets to me, it's really late at night. So I also missed the afternoon and most of the evening of the 2nd day too..
It's amazing how these disingenuous softcore hoors know how to show up right on time during the "giving" part of the year LOL! I've had three pop up out of the blue just to say "Hi" apparently hahaha!My old "grand slam home run" Seeking girl hit me up for money on Christmas Eve. Knew it was coming. Although we have remained in touch, I have not seen her in a few years, and she allegedly has a new boyfriend (after her divorce). Why isn't he helping her with what she needs (actually believe she's telling the truth about her situation). My answer was a diplomatic "no". Told her I'm not interested in having a sugar daddy relationship with her or anyone else ever again. I'm out of this scene. For good! She hasn't seen my response yet. Let's see how she reacts.
NeilGeorge
12-24-25, 15:32
My old "grand slam home run" Seeking girl hit me up for money on Christmas Eve. Knew it was coming. Although we have remained in touch, I have not seen her in a few years, and she allegedly has a new boyfriend (after her divorce). Why isn't he helping her with what she needs (actually believe she's telling the truth about her situation). My answer was a diplomatic "no". Told her I'm not interested in having a sugar daddy relationship with her or anyone else ever again. I'm out of this scene. For good! She hasn't seen my response yet. Let's see how she reacts.Better just to block them when the scene is over. No need to create drama for them, or you in return. Some women ghost me too, its an indicator its time to move on to greener pastures!
The best revenge is living well!
I thought I had 4 good women in my fold until one, for 5 years, ghosted me when I wanted her yesterday. The other one overslept and I decided I am not that interested in her anyway. My third one comes quickly whenever I call her. I have 2 new ones that I am getting into. And a few maybes. Merry Christmas!
VanessasClient
12-24-25, 22:17
In your case, wonder how the cost of a 2 HR bus travel she undertook from her pocket can be compared or equated to overall SB dating payment, that is incomparable to any standards.Yeah, but is it really the money? Or the fact that they can change their mind at any time, for any reason? If she can change her mind on a bus ticket that's not very expensive, what's to stop her from changing her mind on a much more expensive purchase? Or, even if not deliberately bailing, so legit accident does come up? Still out of the cash, even if it's a $5,000 plane ticket.
From my experience, mongering gets expensive is due to 'plan be' options or nil options.
For E. G an escort girl charges for her time knowing their client who could reject them after reaching the door steps.
Hence outcall is expensive compared to meat markets.
How can you be sure that the girl in question did not have such a plan be before boarding the bus?
Yeah, but is it really the money? Or the fact that they can change their mind at any time, for any reason? If she can change her mind on a bus ticket that's not very expensive, what's to stop her from changing her mind on a much more expensive purchase? Or, even if not deliberately bailing, so legit accident does come up? Still out of the cash, even if it's a $5,000 plane ticket.
VanessasClient
12-30-25, 11:22
From my experience, mongering gets expensive is due to 'plan be' options or nil options.
For E. G an escort girl charges for her time knowing their client who could reject them after reaching the door steps.
Hence outcall is expensive compared to meat markets.
How can you be sure that the girl in question did not have such a plan be before boarding the bus?Doesn't matter if the girl balks because of a health issue (legit), due to being lazy / unprepared, or because she could potentially get more money from another client. It's still breaching the agreement you initially set up with her. Unless she wants to make it up to you somehow (ie spend additional time on the next visit, or agree to accept less compensation), then you are still out of the funds, regardless of whether the reason is valid or not. I would never think of pressuring somehow to show up and fuck if they had covid, an asthma attack, food poisoning, or any other obvious condition that could be potentially debilitating, or contagious to me. You are still out of the money; a doctor's note excusing work / school ain't going to help here. Yeah, a bus ticket ain't much, but flights and luxury hotels can get expensive quickly, depending on the circumstances.
Bottom line: it's not a legal contract you can physically force someone to abide by. If you choose to do a travel arrangement, it's a good faith effort on someone who might, or might, be trustworthy. Regardless of any unforeseen accidents in the mean time. If she fails to show because of a nefarious reason, that just adds insult to injury.
VanessasClient
01-01-26, 02:49
I'm noticing MANY more women are now paying for premium membership. Several months ago, I would only see this once a blue moon. Now, a significant number of female profiles have it. I wonder if there's a specific reason behind this.
I'm noticing MANY more women are now paying for premium membership. Several months ago, I would only see this once a blue moon. Now, a significant number of female profiles have it. I wonder if there's a specific reason behind this.I'm an on again / off again paid member but I like to lurk. I haven't noticed an increase in female premium members. Perhaps its certain locations where there are a lot of girls, e. G, Guadalajara.
I noticed just today that the monthly membership for men is $150!
My old "grand slam home run" Seeking girl hit me up for money on Christmas Eve. Knew it was coming. Although we have remained in touch, I have not seen her in a few years, and she allegedly has a new boyfriend (after her divorce). Why isn't he helping her with what she needs (actually believe she's telling the truth about her situation). My answer was a diplomatic "no". Told her I'm not interested in having a sugar daddy relationship with her or anyone else ever again. I'm out of this scene. For good! She hasn't seen my response yet. Let's see how she reacts.She tried to "guilt trip" me. I told her that her problems in life had nothing to do with me, and that her life could be good if she made better decisions and stopped fucking up all the time. Of course, she got pissed off, but I didn't care. Time to keep it real! I said the friendship was done. She lobbed a few choice insults, told me to never contact her again, and blocked me. You just know how it's going to end when a really hot girl with a really fucked up life wants to keep asking you for stuff when interacting with you, you were smart enough to keep her at arm's length and not let her get too deep into your own life (and God knows not marry her), and you tell her "no you need to get your shit together and stop asking for money and stuff all the time". Good riddance! I don't 100% fault her. It was a relationship that started with money at the crux of it. I no longer wanted that. Not with her or anyone else, and felt it was time to make that clear. It is what it is. Or isn't.
VanessasClient
01-04-26, 22:22
It sounds like you originally met her more than several years ago. How old is she now? And what kind of stupid decisions did she make in the mean time? Is she one of those people who never seems to learn from her mistakes?
She tried to "guilt trip" me. I told her that her problems in life had nothing to do with me, and that her life could be good if she made better decisions and stopped fucking up all the time. Of course, she got pissed off, but I didn't care. Time to keep it real! I said the friendship was done. She lobbed a few choice insults, told me to never contact her again, and blocked me. You just know how it's going to end when a really hot girl with a really fucked up life wants to keep asking you for stuff when interacting with you, you were smart enough to keep her at arm's length and not let her get too deep into your own life (and God knows not marry her), and you tell her "no you need to get your shit together and stop asking for money and stuff all the time". Good riddance! I don't 100% fault her. It was a relationship that started with money at the crux of it. I no longer wanted that. Not with her or anyone else, and felt it was time to make that clear. It is what it is. Or isn't.
It sounds like you originally met her more than several years ago. How old is she now? And what kind of stupid decisions did she make in the mean time? Is she one of those people who never seems to learn from her mistakes?I would say she's about 31+ now. As far as stupid decisions where do I begin? Public intoxication, marrying an idiot drug peddler, breaking and entering (but she claims it wasn't her fault), recreational drug use. Get the idea? She tried to hide some of this shit from me, but I found out about it doing a simple public records check (I found out what I know after she moved away and we weren't fucking anymore). Had her kids taken away at one point (and maybe now). There's no telling what I don't know about that she's been hiding. I strongly suspect she lost the house a relative left her too. Her parents bought her a decent car and her dumb ass sold it! She clearly hasn't learned shit, and is one of these people who will have financial and legal problems most likely for the majority of her life, if not all of it. Which might be short if she doesn't get her act together soon. I kept telling her you have two young kids. They need you! But you know she's pretty, and pretty people get repeated opportunities and chances that others don't. Oh well. I stopped trying to be a Captain Save-A-Hoor decades ago. Good luck, and Godspeed!
Steve 9696
01-05-26, 02:02
Rekindled with D last night. The smoking hot Indian girl. For those that like my stories, read on. This story is 90% penthouse forum stuff because this date we just had drinks and headed for the hotel. But it's also a great lesson in keeping your girls warm even when not active.
D is a smoking hot 9 Indian girl, locally studying for her masters. We had a great first date but then she got cool and took a step back. (I was her first Seeking date and only third guy lifetime). I said fine, wasn't a dick, and gently pinged her maybe every two weeks to say hey hope all is well and I'the love to see you again when you're ready.
Well sure enough October turns to January and she's ready! She didn't want to do dinner or play pool or anything. Just drinks and sex. I honestly like going out but hey I will settle for sex. 😜.
Drinks time was so so. I actually don't click with her personality that much. But her smoking hot bod and face have me coming back for more. Plus she's very passionate, coachable and submissive. It just feels a bit more friends with benefits for some reason, except in the bedroom.
It being off-season, the Hilton is very reasonable and we have a large corner suite. The room is cold so we snuggle under the blankets fully clothed as it warms. It's prob only 30 seconds though before kissing ensues and the slippery slope to fucking gets slippery!
I start by pulling her on top of me as we make out. We both like to kiss and we make out throughout our session. On top of me, her world class tits are only inches away, so we free those bad girls. And oh my. They are def top five all time. I mean perfect in every respect.
They are also very responsive and she's enjoying some slow kneading circles. But when I get them in my mouth is when she starts to moan and get very worked up. She's grinding and I know she's getting wet. I loooove girls whose tits are connected directly to their pussy.
We both shed our clothes. And pretty quickly I get dominant and am on top of her. I'm in mish fucking postion but of course just plan to kiss and grind. But she's obviously been with amateurs to date (I'm her third guy including 7 year BF) because she's concerned I'm going to dive in with no lube and little warmup. I assure her we going to get there, but not yet and proceed to make out and work her tits and generally get her hot and bothered.
At drinks she had mentioned how she likes to make her partner happy and always wants to improve. She wasn't talking about sex per se but it reinforced my perception from date 1 that she's submissive. So in the bedroom I get to just directing her pretty explicitly and she complies.
For example, while I am on top of her making out I decide I want to start with BJ (she's not one to initiate) so I move her to Steve 2 position. (As a refresher, Steve2 is standing at side of bed, her on her side, cock in her mouth, spread her legs and fingering her pussy.) At first she's a little confused what I am up to but she gets the hang of it and gets in position cock in mouth.
Once she's in position, I spread her legs and start stroking her clit. I move down a bit and sure enough she's wet, but she's still a little paranoid (newbie!) and asks for some lube. She doesn't need it but I oblige and got to say it feels stunningly good all slippery.
She's doing a good job on basic in and out BJ but I move her to balls and she excels. Last time she was a bit tentative on this but this time it's spot on. By now I have my finger up inside her and hitting her gspot and she starts to moan. Sooooo sexy with my dick deep in her mouth.
She has what I call god pussy in that it's perfect feeling in all directions. She has some of those little ridges up at the gspot but all other directions are like liquid velvet. Un-fucking-believable. Makes me hard just writing about it!
We go at this a good bit and her BJ is way better than I remember. She's doing long licks from balls to tip. Then sucking balls and doing it again. It's quite good. And her pussy feels fucking amazing. For not fucking, the Steve2 is one of the best sexual positions ever for both partners.
From our first date it was clear she's never had proper DATY so I'm committed to rocking her world. I start by positioning her on her back, pussy at edge of bed so I can kneel on the floor. But first I go up face to face and make out. And then make a maddeningly slow descent, sucking tits and licking thighs and everything except her pussy. You can tell she's just about to beg me to touch it when I make my tongue flat and engage her clit.
She's already wet but I give her an amazing time. I'm doing slow licks up the slot and then doing sucking clit tongue circles. And repeating. She's grinding and moaning from the get go. I get a finger inside to work G spot but she seems to prefer just clit focus. Ok baby. It's all about you. The clit it is.
I know I've done a great job when about five minutes in she's cooing "oh Steve" but ten minutes in she blurts out "I love you!" Hahaha. I think she meant "I love the way you eat my pussy like no other man ever has" but I'll take it. LOL.
From here it's the perfect position to insert in the Steve position. So I poise for entry (bareback of course. We previously confirmed no STDs and vasectomy). Recall that she's tight as fuck. So I go super slow. Just a half inch at a time. She's still gasping and going "ow" from time to time so I am going in super slow and reassuring her. Sure enough I finally get balls deep and it's on. Fuck she feels fine!
We go at this a long time. Then doggie where she feels great. Then mish. I mean the fucking was FINE. After a bit I ask her if she wants to rest because last time she was stunned that we would go for 40 minutes or more due to her previous and limited experience with boys. But she says no she is good and we rock on.
Some more fucking and when she's close to cumming I go back to DATY and rock her world. She reciprocates and puts me on my back and does some great BJ.
I think I might blow a stack but don't. And I really want to cum inside her. I contemplate moving to mish to pound one out but instead indicate for her to come up for air and kiss me. She does and we stick it in cowgirl. A lot of girls grind which does little for me, but she is a bit more leaned over doggie style and fucking me in and out. This is great because I can fuck from the bottom as well and start pounding.
God this is lovely face to face, her tits bouncing and me building. It's not long before I shoot a hot load up inside her. Wow. Super rare for me to cum in cowgirl and a huge improvement on date one where I had to finish by hand. She seems like a real keeper!
Of course I've still got my regular girl G and so I'm in a bit of a spot (nice problem to have). G is waaaay more fun and a party girl. Legendary BJ but kinda heavy these days. Overall more fun to be with tho. And then D seems a bit cold and rigid and not a party girl. But fuck, those tits could launch a thousand ships. Combine that with a 9 face and god pussy and it makes it darn hard to decide. So for now I won't. Going to juggle for a bit and see how it goes. But D is def back on the agenda!
BroComplex
01-06-26, 03:04
I attempted to login into my account that I haven't opened for years and was asked for a selfie. Not a photo that I can upload but to take an actual selfie during the log in process. I'm trying to see which countries has more and better looking girls before my trip to Jakarta, Bangkok and manila next month.
People that are on the app how does the app feel after the selfie situation. Do you see less girls? More genuine girls rather than time wasters? Is it worth it to take the selfie and open the account?
Any personal safety concerns like with the tea app fiasco? I thought the main selling point of the app is the ability to remain anonymous and now that's gone.
VanessasClient
01-06-26, 08:58
I attempted to login into my account that I haven't opened for years and was asked for a selfie. Not a photo that I can upload but to take an actual selfie during the log in process. I'm trying to see which countries has more and better looking girls before my trip to Jakarta, Bangkok and manila next month.
People that are on the app how does the app feel after the selfie situation. Do you see less girls? More genuine girls rather than time wasters? Is it worth it to take the selfie and open the account?
Any personal safety concerns like with the tea app fiasco? I thought the main selling point of the app is the ability to remain anonymous and now that's gone.You'll never be anonymous on the internet unless you take Ross Ulbricht style precautions, and even he got caught eventually. Walking into large stores in major urban areas, wearing sunglasses and a hat, and then buying prepaid phones with cash. That's after you've hidden your license plate from all the traffic cameras in the area. Going to crowded Starbucks during peak hours to use public Wifi, then destroying the device later only to buy a new one. The people who don't get caught using the internet are the people who don't rock the boat. You make a big enough splash, someone is going to come after you, and in most cases, it's legal authorities. If you are trying to hide adultery from your wife, then the better solution is not to get married. In regards to Seeking itself, it relies on its name. No different than Nike or eBay. People flock to these companies because of brand recognition. The only way another site is going to capture most of the market of paying for sex is if either Seeking falls by the wayside, or another site gets enormous publicity. In the second scenario, it usually takes multiple years for a transition to happen.
Men, don't let one of these Seeking "softcore hoors" turn you into a "Captain Save-A-Hoor"! LMAO:
https://youtu.be/_7vQSPBtwyc?si=zmLVPtf5Yom9lrpf
Anyone with experience on the Seeking scene in Paris?
Plenty of profiles, by far one of the highest quanity and variety wise from any European city I've seen, maybe except London / Barcelona. I'm quite experienced in Seeking around Europe.
Getting plenty of hits from Paris girls, mainly Middle Eastern / Arab girls, open to ppm arrangements. I would guess it's around the 300-400 € mark for ppm?
I've read on another forum someone mentioned meeting seeking girls in Paris, and they were on their phone the entire time, like they were waiting for someone? Anything to be wary of, apart from usual Seeking precautions and common sense? And any specific Paris safety tips?
Also, if I plan to meet several girls over my few days there, are hotels in Paris fine with having guests over? Or would an Airbnb be better?
Advice and intel would be much appreciated.
Out of curiosity has anyone tried sugar dating in Rome?
Hello all,
As a newbie to seeking I'm confused on how to go about it.
So, a bit of a background, Mid 40's male. London based, have done a fair bit of mongering in many countries in the past but not used seeking ever.
I 'm by no means rich, have a comfortable job and doing ok financially. In my mind to enjoy seeking one needs to be rich (Expensive hotels, food, drinks and the allowance).
Is this correct? Is everyone using seeking fairly wealthy? In London its easy a minimum of £500-£700 which I'm comfortable paying once a month, however I'm guessing it's a confidence issue.
Can someone please help and guide with the best approach? I'm really keen on going on SB journey and not into Pros anymore but unable to get started.
Any pointers and tips will be greatly appreciated?
Thanks Rink.
Steve 9696
01-11-26, 02:18
Hello all,
As a newbie to seeking I'm confused on how to go about it.
So, a bit of a background, Mid 40's male. London based, have done a fair bit of mongering in many countries in the past but not used seeking ever.
I 'm by no means rich, have a comfortable job and doing ok financially. In my mind to enjoy seeking one needs to be rich (Expensive hotels, food, drinks and the allowance).
Is this correct? Is everyone using seeking fairly wealthy? In London its easy a minimum of 500-700 which I'm comfortable paying once a month, however I'm guessing it's a confidence issue.
Can someone please help and guide with the best approach? I'm really keen on going on SB journey and not into Pros anymore but unable to get started.
Any pointers and tips will be greatly appreciated?
Thanks Rink.Welcome to our world! Once you master the art of Seeking you will be hooked. And yes you have to have money but not tons. The 500-700 £ will absolutely get you a top quality date in London.
I've attached my soup to nuts guide on the subject. While originally written for USA it really applies.
So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.
Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.
The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.
Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.
At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If tries to take you offline right away, she is probably a hooker. With the kind of girls I want, often I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text or WhatsApp. I usually do it after a day or two of chat but some guys pull the trigger sooner.
Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now it's time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time. I've done a few dates where we don't discuss it at all and I just pay her what I think fair; but this definitely runs a risk of disappointment, so I don't really do that anymore.
Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.
This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 400. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign, and adjust for geography).
As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 was reasonable for a pretty girl, but it's definitely gone up since then. As of 2024, I'the say getting a US-based girl for $500 is par for the course, if you are good at this game, but with gems found for less than that. Many girls asking 800-1000, but I never pay more than $500 worldwide, with US and Europe being most likely to hit that number. But the gems are out there – I have a repeat girl in Brazil who is $100/ meet (yep!) and gem in the US that is $300/ meet. But most are higher in both geographies.
Once you have said "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.
Having done this alot (more than 50 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date – it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead – even if that lead is to the hotel room.
Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. I highly recommend you never discuss the amount of time because you want to treat her like a girlfriend, not a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!
The other great thing about Seeking as you advance in the game is that some girls are true girlfriend material – not in the long term "I want to marry you" sense, but in the sense that you would spend a good chunk of time with them. These are the girls that I fly to be with me when I am on business. This is advanced Seeking game, but I highly recommend it. If you vibe really well with a girl (I crush pretty hard! Then they are sooooo down to fly to some fun city. Spending a few days with a girl playing true BFGF is just great fun. More than just the sex – cuddling, shopping, sightseeing – it's a full experience and "falling a little in love" without any strings attached is just the best. And of course you don't have to limit this to one girl. I tend to have at least one real crush-girl per continent and sometimes more.
Recently guys have been asking me about when I fly a girl to be with me in some other city and what I pay them. I have found that once you establish chemistry and you would like each other 24/7 they are fully satisfied with the PPM price covering a full day. Like when you first met, it was $400 for the date and maybe it was 3-5 hours. So then when you fly them somewhere nice, you can give them $400/ day and they are cool with that.
Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.
Welcome to our world! Once you master the art of Seeking you will be hooked. And yes you have to have money but not tons. The 500-700 will absolutely get you a top quality date in London.
I've attached my soup to nuts guide on the subject. While originally written for USA it really applies.
So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second...That is one of the most thorough and enlightening thing I've read on here. You're making me want to give seeking a shot.
So I meant to buy a 30 day only subscription but somehow it ended up adding an additional 90 days to my account. Anyway, I am browsing seeking in NYC and I am not a fan of the selection. The girls seem uptight and the demands high. Looking at in other countries and cities and the selection seems way more easy going and not as demanding. Also alot of these messages that just go nowhere. Is it worth using in NYC or am I better off using it abroad?
VanessasClient
01-11-26, 09:51
So I meant to buy a 30 day only subscription but somehow it ended up adding an additional 90 days to my account. Anyway, I am browsing seeking in NYC and I am not a fan of the selection. The girls seem uptight and the demands high. Looking at in other countries and cities and the selection seems way more easy going and not as demanding. Also alot of these messages that just go nowhere. Is it worth using in NYC or am I better off using it abroad?NYC is one of the worst places in the world to look for women, in general.
VanessasClient
01-11-26, 10:32
Hello all,
As a newbie to seeking I'm confused on how to go about it.
So, a bit of a background, Mid 40's male. London based, have done a fair bit of mongering in many countries in the past but not used seeking ever.
I 'm by no means rich, have a comfortable job and doing ok financially. In my mind to enjoy seeking one needs to be rich (Expensive hotels, food, drinks and the allowance).
Is this correct? Is everyone using seeking fairly wealthy? In London its easy a minimum of 500-700 which I'm comfortable paying once a month, however I'm guessing it's a confidence issue.
Can someone please help and guide with the best approach? I'm really keen on going on SB journey and not into Pros anymore but unable to get started.
Any pointers and tips will be greatly appreciated?
Thanks Rink.You said "you are not into Pros anymore. " I don't know how you define a "pro", but what specifically about those women bothered you? And, how do you think women from Seeking will be substantially different? You have to give details for me to better understand what you are expecting.
What is it you think most men would prefer, overall? To achieve their goals with women, without paying cash for it, right? Accomplishing a process like that is almost always incredibly complex, and could take half a lifetime for the minority of men who ever do. And even if you don't pay with money, you are almost certainly giving up something else instead, such as your time and energy.
You'll find a variety of girls on Seeking. But the one thing that 99% of them have in common is that they are looking for money. The sex worker standing on the street corner typically only wants money, and only offers sex in return. Some girls on Seeking want more than just money, but they might also offer more than just sex. Where many men get into trouble is that they try to convince themselves it's not prostitution. It is, but it tends to accompany more comprehensive factors than simply mixing sex and money.
So ask yourself, what is it you really want? Do you want a girl to go to a concert with you, or perhaps bake you a cake, or maybe join you for a camping trip a national park? You have to know what you are really looking for. But you also have to know what you might have to go through to get it.
So here's the thing: in most of the world, "dating culture" , or whatever you want to call it, is stacked against men, and favors women. Especially in 2026. I'm sure there are some exceptions like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, etc. Bottom line: men experience more detrimental effects from remaining single, than women do. Particularly younger and middle aged men. And the stronger male sex drive is one of the main reasons for that.
What I've found from experience in life, is that you can't really "circumvent the system. " The best thing you can hope for is to optimize. Whether on or off Seeking, you're still going to have to play the game, but you have to learn to play it more efficiently. For me, I discovered it's really a matter of finding a suitable woman. Which is not easy. You have to find someone who is open minded, willing to take risks, and more reliable than not. If she is short sighted, dumb, or dishonest, drop her right away and keep looking for another. How much money you spend, all really depends on how well you are able to develop a rapport with a particular woman. Strong connections go a long way. But steer clear of any women who are impatient, manipulative, or despondent. Just to give you a head's up, it's likely that 80% or higher of the women you meet, won't be worth it. And I say 80% minimum; could be higher. If you find a cherry on the first pick, I assure you with unquestionable certainty that is a magic bullet result, and NOT the status quo.
AlexTheGreat00
01-11-26, 16:40
Welcome to our world! Once you master the art of Seeking you will be hooked. And yes you have to have money but not tons. The 500-700 will absolutely get you a top quality date in London.
I've attached my soup to nuts guide on the subject. While originally written for USA it really applies.
So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.
Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone...What a perspective mate!! You really have nailed it. As a former user of SA in USA, I can't tell you how much time and money I wasted but doing the things you are warning us not to do. If only I had this guide and words or wisdom in front of me. But hey there is another start and revival. We all owe you- for coming up with this blueprint of how SA should be used.
Welcome to our world! Once you master the art of Seeking you will be hooked. And yes you have to have money but not tons. The 500-700 will absolutely get you a top quality date in London.
I've attached my soup to nuts guide on the subject. While originally written for USA it really applies.
So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.
Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar..Thank you, Steve 9696.
This is a great Soup to Nuts guide, it is particularly helpful as you given the clear pointers for each step of the process.
I agree that it will take time and once you are in the game it will be the best and that's exactly what I wanted. Also, I'm similar in the girlfriend aspect you mentioned as the time spent should feel natural and not as a transaction. Will take a dive and fingers crossed should find a great companion.
Thanks again for the inputs, much appreciated.
You said "you are not into Pros anymore. " I don't know how you define a "pro", but what specifically about those women bothered you? And, how do you think women from Seeking will be substantially different? You have to give details for me to better understand what you are expecting.
What is it you think most men would prefer, overall? To achieve their goals with women, without paying cash for it, right? Accomplishing a process like that is almost always incredibly complex, and could take half a lifetime for the minority of men who ever do. And even if you don't pay with money, you are almost certainly giving up something else instead, such as your time and energy.
You'll find a variety of girls on Seeking. But the one thing that 99% of them have in common is that they are looking for money. The sex worker standing on the street corner typically only wants money, and only offers sex in return. Some girls on Seeking want more than just money, but they might also offer more than just sex. Where many men get into trouble is that they try to convince themselves it's not prostitution. It is, but it tends to accompany more comprehensive factors than simply mixing sex and money..Hello VanessasClient,
Thank you for your feedback, I need someone who will not be a clock watcher, with Pro its mostly "Wham bam, thank you Sir" even for an hour of time.
Will SB's you tend a develop a bit of a rapport, understand likes and dislikes and with respect both parties tend to please each other. It's more like a GF / BF relationship without strings attached.
With you on the game and to learn to play it efficiently with finding an actual GF or with SBs. Bottom line will be to find someone to go activities with, either playing pool, go bowling, cinema, concert etc. Etc. With the added fun element.
Hope to find someone soon and will update when I have some good news. Thanks again for the golden nuggets.
NYC is one of the worst places in the world to look for women, in general.Why does it have a reputation for both sugaring and vanilla dating? The profiles of the women are not that attractive and they all have insane demands, plus not even that much more volume compared to other places.
I am super new to the world of sugaring in general. I am wondering if it works in Europe. I am having no luck in NYC. I was thinking of going to Berlin for a week or two. From reports here it seems like theaverage girl goes for $400 to $500 ppm. How are the attitudes there? It seems more normalized out there than in the US.
Steve 9696
01-11-26, 23:46
I am super new to the world of sugaring in general. I am wondering if it works in Europe. I am having no luck in NYC. I was thinking of going to Berlin for a week or two. From reports here it seems like theaverage girl goes for $400 to $500 ppm. How are the attitudes there? It seems more normalized out there than in the US.Yes. USA is a tough slog but only game in town. But it's way better internationally. You should have no trouble scoring in Berlin. Just be advised that like all prices Germany will be more expensive than Spain or Portugal say. But yeah. Should be ok for 400.-500.
Don't know your background but FKK Artemis is in Berlin. Not the best FKK. But serviceable and quite the experience if you haven't done FKK before.
VanessasClient
01-12-26, 02:35
I am super new to the world of sugaring in general. I am wondering if it works in Europe. I am having no luck in NYC. I was thinking of going to Berlin for a week or two. From reports here it seems like theaverage girl goes for $400 to $500 ppm. How are the attitudes there? It seems more normalized out there than in the US.Portugal is a good option. Think 200 Euros or thereabouts. If you are willing to go as far east as Greece, prices will drop.
Yes. USA is a tough slog but only game in town. But it's way better internationally. You should have no trouble scoring in Berlin. Just be advised that like all prices Germany will be more expensive than Spain or Portugal say. But yeah. Should be ok for 400.-500.
Don't know your background but FKK Artemis is in Berlin. Not the best FKK. But serviceable and quite the experience if you haven't done FKK before.This just goes to highlight the pussy desert that is the United States. A 400 meet in the US won't even get you an obese Shaniqua. Hell, 400 $ will get you half an hour at an AMP (aleit higher end). I have done Goldentime in Vienna for a layover. My experience wasn't too great but still better than in the US. Felt the girls were too pushy and woulnd't let you relax.
Portugal is a good option. Think 200 Euros or thereabouts. If you are willing to go as far east as Greece, prices will drop.Is Seeking popular there or are other platforms better? Also will it be latinas or can I score locals? I am monger in general but I kind want a more "GFE" through Seeking overall. I feel like American women are repulsed at the idea of transactional sex, whereas in Europe even among locals its not too stigmatized of a concept.
KrisMonger
01-12-26, 10:32
Amen to what Steve says here. Good writeup. I have been now using SA for around 4 years mostly in Asia, US and Mexico and my experiences have been the same. It takes a lot of work to land some -but it really has been worthwhile. Pretty much in any geo the prices usually go down as the age goes up. My experience has been when the age goes up -the performance gets better -especially in US. In US I have resorted to focusing on women of Hispanic or Asian origin as they seem to come with less baggage. My price range in US has been between 300 to 500 ppm. Elsewhere in India -it has been around 200 USD per PPM. London per PPM was around 700 ppm -but I think the quality there was very solid. Indonesia continues to be the best for me from SA perspective-both price and quality.
I also follow what Steve follows. Do not talk about money on the platform (BTW the platform now-a-days warns you if use some dinero convo in your chat) but imply that gently and then move them off platform. No VC is a no-go for me and I clearly make that point on SA chat itself and move them to other platform. When I am in SA. I am super simple, direct and respectful with a little bit of humor on my first message and that seems to be working well for me as I always get a response back. Once I am on Tele or WA, I cut and paste the initial post to get them aligned and then push for a video after some niceties. I try to get regular girls as there are a LOT of girls in the platform that are straight up working girls. I see this trend more often now in India where they seem to be traveling from city to city. One of them even said she has assignments in cities for the month. I usually drop the conversation if I feel like they are working girls. In US all of them that I met through SA had a job and were doing this to cover their dollar needs. I do the price convo usually via a VC or after the VC via chat. I am also very explicit on expectations and what they are ok and not ok with. Setting expectations helps IMO. I usually meet a person in-person outside first for some dinner / lunch / drink. I think this really helps break the ice and improves comfort levels between the two.
Good luck with the SA hunt!.
Welcome to our world! Once you master the art of Seeking you will be hooked. And yes you have to have money but not tons. The 500-700 will absolutely get you a top quality date in London.
I've attached my soup to nuts guide on the subject. While originally written for USA it really applies.
So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.
KrisMonger
01-12-26, 10:38
Given the price increase in SA. I have started using SDM (sugar daddy meet) as it is far much cheaper. Again you need to do some intense hunting. SDM chatter has been going on in the SA-India group and that is the primary reason I signed up and then found a gem in US for now!. Had a great session yesterday with a girl that works in late night shift and can drop in post 11:30 pm! Going to see how it will work when I travel later this month outside of US.
Is Seeking popular there or are other platforms better? Also will it be latinas or can I score locals? I am monger in general but I kind want a more "GFE" through Seeking overall. I feel like American women are repulsed at the idea of transactional sex, whereas in Europe even among locals its not too stigmatized of a concept.
VanessasClient
01-13-26, 06:40
Is Seeking popular there or are other platforms better? Also will it be latinas or can I score locals? I am monger in general but I kind want a more "GFE" through Seeking overall. I feel like American women are repulsed at the idea of transactional sex, whereas in Europe even among locals its not too stigmatized of a concept.Lots of Brazilians in Portugal. You can try the site below. They might be a little more by the hour, but generally a good value for beauty and price. Lots of scammers on Seeking. On some P4 P sites like the one below, there are many more verified ads, and less people trying to rip you off.
https://www.apartadox.com/en/escort-classifieds-lisbon-portugal
OK so on the Rio thread someone asked me to post about my experiences with someone with BPD.
To preface I am 38, American. I think women find me cute and attractive but not super handsome.
About 3 years ago I met a 10/10 girl in Mexico City on seeking, she is now 24. We had an instant connection. Then didn't see each other for 2 years and reconnected a year ago. The 2nd time around it wasn't as much about money as it was a real relationship / travel ect ect.
Well it turns out she has severe borderline personality disorder. And being involved with someone like that, it's taxing and will mess you up in the head as well. Except it's very hard to separate yourself from it.
I guess my takeaways are the age old phrase 'you can't turn a ho into a housewife'.
When people on here give the advice SA is best when you keep an arrangement and its for play only; it's probably strong advice.
If you meet or have an inkling someone you meet and have sex with has BPD, run away before you start developing attachments to them, because once those unhealthy bonds form they are much more difficult to break.
Many of you men, 95%, were nerds when growing up. Had no pussy in high school. Deprived of having a girlfriend. Had to go to a prostitute for your first intercourse. Admit it! Then you focused on the grades in college and got a good, professional job. Never had time for pussy or fun while growing up and pursuing your career and money source.
Now that you are older, the money rolls in, but you have no relationship skills. No ability to meet and date normal women, nor form relationships. That is why you are continuously looking for new women to bed, and are unable to keep the good ones so someone else gets them and marries them. You continously pour $$ into Seeking Arrangements and other online dating apps, looking for someone you can connect with on more levels than simply physical- but it is impossible. You have failed to learn to love anything other than your own cock! True!
Yes, I have one degree in psychology. A doctorate degree in another related subject. I would write a book about you men, but it would be censored and a pity, women would not buy it, and only the depraved would buy it. Stop this debachery immediately! Start getting deep therapy. It can help you on the path to a successful life!Lmao, tell me more about my life story, guy.
NoBuglyFitches
01-16-26, 06:58
Hello all,
As a newbie to seeking I'm confused on how to go about it.
So, a bit of a background, Mid 40's male. London based, have done a fair bit of mongering in many countries in the past but not used seeking ever.
I 'm by no means rich, have a comfortable job and doing ok financially. In my mind to enjoy seeking one needs to be rich (Expensive hotels, food, drinks and the allowance).
Is this correct? Is everyone using seeking fairly wealthy? In London its easy a minimum of 500-700 which I'm comfortable paying once a month, however I'm guessing it's a confidence issue.
Can someone please help and guide with the best approach? I'm really keen on going on SB journey and not into Pros anymore but unable to get started.
Any pointers and tips will be greatly appreciated?
Thanks Rink.Seeking is needed in the USA because escort scene is crap. And for rich travelers who want to quickly line up NSA hookups.
In your case, I'm not sure. I don't want to sound pessimistic and discourage you.
But taking a negative view, you got:
London City.
5-700 gbp, once a month (do you include dinner, hotel, and Seeking subscription in this budget?
Mid 40's man looking for time commitment and emotional labor.
This is not a competitive package for hot girls. London has too many high rollers.
If you look at 600 gbp escorts on London Escort Guide, you're unlikely to get and keep an SB with those looks.
I see two options.
1. Focus on older SBs who are not stunning and who are a couple of hours outside London City. (But don't send money for train tickets. That's often a scam). Maybe go to her town, meet her without sex on the first date, try to gauge potential for an actual relationship. Invest your time in this.
2. Spend your money on escorts. 30 minute appointments with Babylon girls get you some of the better Brazilian ex-Scandallo ladies for around 300. Meanwhile, look to build a regular, non-sugar relationship. You don't have to pay a woman just to go bowling and cinema. And you don't need sex from her though it may happen naturally.
I hope I'm completely wrong on the above and it works out for you!
VanessasClient
01-18-26, 05:30
Originally Posted by HumbleHal
Many of you men, 95%, were nerds when growing up. Had no pussy in high school. Deprived of having a girlfriend. Had to go to a prostitute for your first intercourse. Admit it! Then you focused on the grades in college and got a good, professional job. Never had time for pussy or fun while growing up and pursuing your career and money source.
Now that you are older, the money rolls in, but you have no relationship skills. No ability to meet and date normal women, nor form relationships. That is why you are continuously looking for new women to bed, and are unable to keep the good ones so someone else gets them and marries them. You continously pour $$ into Seeking Arrangements and other online dating apps, looking for someone you can connect with on more levels than simply physical- but it is impossible. You have failed to learn to love anything other than your own cock! True!
Yes, I have one degree in psychology. A doctorate degree in another related subject. I would write a book about you men, but it would be censored and a pity, women would not buy it, and only the depraved would buy it. Stop this debachery immediately! Start getting deep therapy. It can help you on the path to a successful life!
Lmao, tell me more about my life story, guy.Are you going to let him get under your skin? What is empirically true about psychologists? Psychology does not need external criticism; it has gone so far to invalidate itself. Think about what a clinical psychologists can really do. Diagnose mental illness? Yeah, because psychiatric disorders come with a specific set of symptoms. Whether it's poor emotional regulation, talking to someone who isn't there, rituals, or any number of recognizable features. But guess what? Numerous people all over the world get beneficial help from family therapists, substance counselors, and a variety of other "mental health" experts. All while psychologists try to hide behind their PhD and attempt to use it as a badge of superiority. Being qualified to testify as an expert witness on the stand in court, throwing perfectly sane people into mental hospitals, or authorizing killers for release who were extremely dangerous. Sometimes these duties are relegated to psychiatrists instead, but it depends on the jurisdiction and regulations. Look at the suicide rate psychologists when compared to other professions. Given their extensive knowledge of depression, they should be at the very bottom of the list, and they are not!
The real problem with psychologists is that they believe they know everything there is to know about the human brain, and therefore fully understand all human thinking and behavior. If this were true, people would not be running around committing every type of crime imaginable, the world over. The message they do a poor job of cloaking is: "If everyone would simply submit to evaluation, and then follow our DBT treatment techniques, then in time all people would be cured!" And the fact the psychologists think they can understand all 8 billion people individually makes them some of the most vain people on earth, followed judges and politicians. Psychology is a flawed science because it's too broad to be applied to everyone, and often goes by theory or hypothesis instead of fact.
The reason the girls don't stick around is because they are absent of gratitude, and they grow greedy and selfish over time. Higher than their baseline greed if they had any. I don't get married because I don't want girls to stick around forever. When they age and start developing wrinkles and gray hair, they are no longer sexually attractive to me. Exposing yourself financially during marriage is only half the story; I don't want to cause emotional trauma to any women either. Without the commitment, I pull the plug when I see fit. If it's a sex worker, she loses nothing more than the business. And if it's not, I can stay in touch if I so dire, without taking the woman to the bedroom. It's not anymore complicated than that.
Elvis 2008
01-18-26, 17:21
To preface I am 38, American. I think women find me cute and attractive but not super handsome.
About 3 years ago I met a 10/10 girl in Mexico City on seeking, she is now 24. We had an instant connection. Then didn't see each other for 2 years and reconnected a year ago. The 2nd time around it wasn't as much about money as it was a real relationship / travel ect ect.
Well it turns out she has severe borderline personality disorder. And being involved with someone like that, it's taxing and will mess you up in the head as well. Except it's very hard to separate yourself from it.
When people on here give the advice SA is best when you keep an arrangement and its for play only; it's probably strong advice.
If you meet or have an inkling someone you meet and have sex with has BPD, run away before you start developing attachments to them, because once those unhealthy bonds form they are much more difficult to break.The best looking women tend to have ADHD, bipolar, and BPD, and guys need to recognize them. I would only commit to a woman with ADHD. Bipolars will fuck the hell out of you when manic but also bleed you dry financially when manic if you let them. They will slit their wrists when depressed just so they can feel anything even if it is the life pouring out of them. When depressed, it is not really depression, they literally feel nothing. Maybe in their 30's and 40's and if on medication they can be okay, but I would still not trust them and never do anything with them outside of P4 P. A ton of strippers are bipolar.
BPD or borderlines are the ones that have been the bane of my existence. They are good looking, great in bed, and at first, very considerate. They will be the sweetest women you ever meet, and they will charm the shit out of everyone you meet. But then you notice they do not have any or many friends. And then you notice they try to get you dependent on them. I had one tell me, "You know, things would just be great if you were in a wheelchair, and I just always knew where you were. "
And that is the phrase of the borderline, "I love you, I hate you, don't leave me. " It is in the hate phase when borderlines are so reckless. That sweet considerate girl turns into a full fledged narcissist, but she hides it from others. They will say the nastiest most hateful things to you and a second later be smiling, nice, and charming to someone else. And when in the hate phase, they are often narcissistic, and the usual narcissistic tricks are in play. They try to cut off all outside influences and convince you that you are the weird one. They will get offended at everything. A comment like, "You look nice today, honey" will get a smile. Say the exact same thing the next day, and they will roar, "Are you saying I look like shit yesterday? God, you are such an asshole. " They will literally make fun of how you breathe. It is hard to imagine one person can put another in such a dark place but that is what borderlines do. If you do not get that, I hope you never do. They are the real life version of Harry Potter's dementors who will suck the life and energy and fun out of everyone and everything if given a chance. Because if they feel badly, they want everyone else too as well, and that is the basis of the hate. They are mad at themselves that you do not love them more, and the reason is you do not trust them. Subconsciously, you know they are nuts.
All the traps you might put out to catch them, they may evade. They may appear to have no red flags, but one big tell when you are with them is when you leave them, they freak out. One went psycho on me when she went down to a bar and I did not join her. "You left me! She screamed in a demon voice. It passed over, and we fucked, and the sex was great. Later I had a friend say she thought this SB was borderline, and I recalled this event and I was done, and this was a fun, smart 10 type both in looks and in the bedroom, and I was out. Like I said, they can flip on you in a second.
The other tell is boundaries. Borderlines act is if you have none. This is the only shit test that will work. You try some test with money, and she will turn it down saying that she really likes you. That is not always but the usual shit tests, getting a third party to check her out or seeing how much she wants your money over you, she may be able to beat.
A funny depiction of a borderline was in Two and a Half men, a Christmas version. The only inaccuracy is the show did not really get into how malicious a borderline can be though. Anyway, Alan starts bedding his stunning cooking teacher. She takes over Charlie's kitchen and literally orders Charlie out of it. She gets both of them fat and dependent on her amazing food. She decorates the apartment with Christmas decorations in an overdone but beautiful style. Then Santa Claus does not show up again. Being a borderline the girl says it is her fault Santa does not show up and she tells Alan that she needs to be punished.
And that is the weird part of a borderline. They really do want to be punished when in the hate phase. They really do not want to get away with their narcissistic behavior. So they might make the ultimate submissive partner. Every guy may think they are alpha enough or narcissistic enough himself to control these women, but I have not seen any guy actually do it.
If you have been in the game long enough, there is no doubt that you have met one. They say 2 to 5% of women are borderline. I think it is more like one in 10 and when in comes to attractive women, it is more like 3 in 10 so be careful gentlemen. These women will suck out your souls if you let them.
I do not agree with the not committing part because obviously I have had success with commitment, but you have to be very careful before committing. If she has had multiple SBs in the past or been on the site a long time, yeah, that probably is not going to work. It is different with a newbie. My gal was on the site because she had a friend who got a BF off of seeking, and she was not on the site for long.
DwayneJohnson
01-19-26, 12:32
The best looking women tend to have ADHD, bipolar, and BPD, and guys need to recognize them. I would only commit to a woman with ADHD. Bipolars will fuck the hell out of you when manic but also bleed you dry financially when manic if you let them. They will slit their wrists when depressed just so they can feel anything even if it is the life pouring out of them. When depressed, it is not really depression, they literally feel nothing. Maybe in their 30's and 40's and if on medication they can be okay, but I would still not trust them and never do anything with them outside of P4 P. A ton of strippers are bipolar.
BPD or borderlines are the ones that have been the bane of my existence. They are good looking, great in bed, and at first, very considerate. They will be the sweetest women you ever meet, and they will charm the shit out of everyone you meet. But then you notice they do not have any or many friends. And then you notice they try to get you dependent on them. I had one tell me, "You know, things would just be great if you were in a wheelchair, and I just always knew where you were. "
And that is the phrase of the borderline, "I love you, I hate you, don't leave me. " It is in the hate phase when borderlines are so reckless. That sweet considerate girl turns into a full fledged narcissist, but she hides it from others. They will say the nastiest most hateful things to you and a second later be smiling, nice, and charming to someone else. And when in the hate phase, they are often narcissistic, and the usual narcissistic tricks are in play. They try to cut off all outside influences and convince you that you are the weird one. They will get offended at everything. A comment like, "You look nice today, honey" will get a smile. Say the exact same thing the next day, and they will roar, "Are you saying I look like shit yesterday? God, you are such an asshole. " They will literally make fun of how you breathe. It is hard to imagine one person can put another in such a dark place but that is what borderlines do. If you do not get that, I hope you never do. They are the real life version of Harry Potter's dementors who will suck the life and energy and fun out of everyone and everything if given a chance. Because if they feel badly, they want everyone else too as well, and that is the basis of the hate. They are mad at themselves that you do not love them more, and the reason is you do not trust them. Subconsciously, you know they are nuts..I agree with most of it. You seem expert so would you give any advice on getting out of relationship with a classic mild BPD unscathed? We are now at a point where it's sex without condom and money seems irrelevant to her but I found out too late that she has clinically diagnosed BPD and she can't be tamed.
I agree with most of it. You seem expert so would you give any advice on getting out of relationship with a classic mild BPD unscathed? We are now at a point where it's sex without condom and money seems irrelevant to her but I found out too late that she has clinically diagnosed BPD and she can't be tamed.I think my chick is the perfect candidate for seeking which has been part of the problem for me.
She is able to compartmentalize men is this crazy way and even if you do develop a profound connection for her its just like a lightswitch, she can just flick it off.
The problem is I grew really close with her over the three years, so I have gotten to the know the 'real' her. But at this point she gravitates more towards her persona and instagram. Which is tons of travels, exotic locations, mysterious, beautiful pictures ect ect.
I hope I can rebound and get over her, but man is it tough.
VanessasClient
01-20-26, 00:35
I agree with most of it. You seem expert so would you give any advice on getting out of relationship with a classic mild BPD unscathed? We are now at a point where it's sex without condom and money seems irrelevant to her but I found out too late that she has clinically diagnosed BPD and she can't be tamed.This is why I try to refrain from giving out personal info at all costs. Right now, there's only about 5 current or former sex workers who really know who I am. Of those 5, one of them has it out for me, but she has lost track of me and I am essentially a ghost to her this many years later. Another one is manipulative, but she can only harm me if I leave the back door open. The remaining 3 are honest and I am still on good terms with all of them, one of which has retired for good. Compare that to the fact that I've taken over 80 total to bed with me, at this point maybe even over 90. I learned in the past to keep info on an absolute need to know basis.
If this girl lives in your area, the risk increases. Of those 5 mentioned, only 2 even are legally allowed to set foot inside the USA, with the other 3 not having entry visas.
Best advice I can give is to send her a message along the lines of "Good afternoon, I hope everything is going well with you. I appreciate all of the time we have spent together in the past, but at this stage in my life, this arrangement we once had is no longer working. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. " Then permanently block any and all communication of any kind. Change your phone and email if you have to. Make sure any public profiles or social media accounts you have feature convincing disinformation (distinct from misinformation). If you have the ability to deed your home / s to a Trust or LLC that may help some. If you live in a gated community, take to the HOA and security guards to make sure they keep her out of the complex. If she starts becoming seriously problematic, you might have to start parking your vehicle some distance from the property you intend to enter, and possibly get surveillance cameras. A restraining order is an absolute last resort. Good luck.
Elvis 2008
01-20-26, 20:16
I agree with most of it. You seem expert so would you give any advice on getting out of relationship with a classic mild BPD unscathed? We are now at a point where it's sex without condom and money seems irrelevant to her but I found out too late that she has clinically diagnosed BPD and she can't be tamed.Glenn Close portrayed a woman with BPD pretty accurately in Fatal Attraction. Thing you have to know for all their supposed confidence the female BPDer thinks she is worthless and it is normal for a man to dump them like the trash that they are. It is that insecurity that makes them so dangerous. They are literally capable of anything because they feel so insecure. The famous scene in Fatal Attraction was Glenn Close boiling the bunny of the family of Michael Douglas, but that is mild compared to some of the shit I have seen.
So the last SB I saw who was BPD was in Mexico, and it was easy to cut her off. I suspect you cannot do that if you are fucking bare. So if you cannot ghost, address every vulnerability that you have. If she knows the PIN on your debit card, change it ETC. If she knows the address of where you live and you can relocate easily, try to move. No, I am not kidding. And be subtle about it. While you are closing all those holes, treat her extra nicely. Don't argue or criticize her. If she thinks that you have changed or pulling back, you say that you are so insecure because you cannot believe a girl as amazing as her is with you.
If you dump her within a short time of having sex with her, there is a pretty good chance that she will say that she is pregnant with your child. Again, that is nothing. The BPDer who was a SB of mine destroyed her entire family with a false rape charge against an uncle, and that was not according not to me but from her sister. A fake rape charge against you is on the table if she feels badly enough.
So if you are in deep with her, pull back gradually. Make excuses to why you cannot see her as often (problems with work and with family). Ease out slowly with reassuring words. Ideally, you want her to move on from you in part because you are not around.
The exception to this rule is when the BPDer crosses the line legally. Like I said, they have boundary issues with everything including the law. Long story short, my ex SB BPDer wanted to move in with me, and she felt that was not going to happen. She felt badly about that and was out drinking with a female friend of mine, tried to kiss her, and got rejected. So she felt rejected by two people, and she punched my friend who punched her back. Cops got involved and it took three cops and three blasts from a taser to subdue this 100 lb BPDer. That is some serious crazy power right there. Anyway, both got arrested, and I was not involved, and it was the excuse I needed to pull out of our relationship. Somehow the BPDer tried to bullshit me and play the victim. That is another BPD sign, constant victim playing.
Why would I introduce her to a female friend? Because she was not like your typical hooker. She was smart, bright, beautiful, not materialistic like you said, and seemed to be totally into me. She was the kind you want to show off.
Thing is that immature child that punched someone who rejected her is the REAL her. Holding out for the sweet her is a fruitless effort. If you are in deep, pull out slowly and do all you can to pump up her ego. Take acting lessons if you need to, and I am only half joking when I say that.
Repeat after me. She is capable of anything and adjust accordingly.
Elvis 2008
01-20-26, 20:28
I think my chick is the perfect candidate for seeking which has been part of the problem for me.
She is able to compartmentalize men is this crazy way and even if you do develop a profound connection for her its just like a lightswitch, she can just flick it off.
The problem is I grew really close with her over the three years, so I have gotten to the know the 'real' her. But at this point she gravitates more towards her persona and instagram. Which is tons of travels, exotic locations, mysterious, beautiful pictures ect ect.
I hope I can rebound and get over her, but man is it tough.When in the hate phase, the outward appearance of the BPDer is narcissism. If they feel badly, they think everyone else should as well.
What you are describing to me though sounds more like pure narcissism with love bombing. Connection with a narcissist is almost always a one week street. That constant Instagram posting is to me what separates the narcissist from the BPDer. Narcissists crave attention and the finest things and exotic locales. BPDers often do not have that degree of materialism but both types are like the dementors from Harry Potter and will suck your soul dry.
DwayneJohnson
01-21-26, 20:59
So if you are in deep with her, pull back gradually. Make excuses to why you cannot see her as often (problems with work and with family). Ease out slowly with reassuring words. Ideally, you want her to move on from you in part because you are not around.
Repeat after me. She is capable of anything and adjust accordingly.Thanks, that's my plan currently and if needed I will switch city temporarily to put more distance between us. Sex is great, she looks 10/10 but bit too crazy. After this going to find a decent looking family oriented girl from Church.
Elvis 2008
01-23-26, 22:37
Thanks, that's my plan currently and if needed I will switch city temporarily to put more distance between us. Sex is great, she looks 10/10 but bit too crazy. After this going to find a decent looking family oriented girl from Church.The worst BPDer I had was my ex-wife, and she was a churchgoer. And then there is Jena Presley. She is a former porn star and now going by her real name Brittni De La Mora. When she was getting older and in less demand, she decided that she would move from porn actress to being a borne again Christian podcast star. She became a pastor's wife, but she did her last porn scene after being baptized. It seems to me that getting attention was her drug.
I personally was not that religious growing up but I noticed religious people seem to be at peace and lived longer, so I gave it a try. I can see why people like it. There is a type of group high involved with going. Eventually though, the feeling died, and it felt more like an Amway pitch than about living one's best life. I did enjoy learning about what Jesus said but what he said and who Christians are often seemed miles apart.
And then the sex thing came up. Of the two churches I went to, in one, the lead pastor's wife ran off with a guy she met at a Bible group. Looks wise, she was desirable but it was obvious she was putting her husband down all the time. The next one I went to was a megachurch where the lead pastor was found to have fondled some girl.
IMO guys are guys and women are women. Putting a Christian tag on yourself does little for me. I am not the only one who has noticed the hypocrisy of the crucifix between a pair of wide open and surgically enhanced breasts. And later on, I learned that the wife of one of the church elders was quoting scripture to my now ex-wife trying to get her to divorce me while I was donating to the church. The church elder wife wanted to fix my ex-wife up with one of the single pastors.
When I said that I think my current gal was different, an attorney friend who handled divorce cases lectured me on how all women were crazy and he said, "Do not think your woman is an exception. " I got it. Every guy in this space needs to commit the hot-crazy matrix video to memory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg
Thing is that the longer I was committed to a woman, the less she seemed to provide sexually and time wise and the more they demanded of me. In fact, with time, they get so into the nagging, they think that compensates for performance. But they are not doing that nagging at work with their boss who is providing an income right? If they put in less effort or tried blaming their poor performance on their boss, they would be fired.
I remembered the story of Taming of the Shrew from high school. The hottest of the available women is a major league beetch and one guy has the balls to try to tame her. There is a contest between three women, two of the most desirable women and the beetch who was not desired. The contest was to see which woman would come when their husband called for them. The two supposedly nicer and more desirable women did not come when called. The beetch / shrew did come when called and in fact, she dragged the other two ladies by their hair to their husbands.
I committed to someone and later found out she was cheating on me. With time, I realized what pissed me off the most was not her cheating but my committing to her and her turning me down sexually. I could have had all this great sex with other women then, and I gave that up for nothing! I made up my own rule. If you refuse me or humiliate me sexually, monogamy is out the window. Monogamy is not a default; it needs to be earned over and over again.
So guys should be applying the shrew taming test to their women sexually. How many wives will blow their husbands whenever they want? IMO if you are the primary provider in your household, and your woman refuses, she is no longer your wife or GF. She is that in name only. The sad part is the hooker is much more likely to come blow you for a pittance in comparison to what the wife gets. In fact, what you will see is a woman demonizing the male sex drive and shaming you as she turns you down.
This is where men have to quit being wimps. The goal of a species is to survive and reproduce. That means the strong male sex drive is as important to us as a species as food is. To those feminist witches who demonize men and our sex drives, they need to be told with a patronizing tone, if it was not for a horny male, your sorry ass would never have been born!
So I felt like I was alone in rejecting sexless, passion free marriages and even with the SBs, there were many instances where a SB would see me and sex became less and less of a priority. I had to go P4 P with these women versus an allowance to even keep them in line.
Modern feminism condemns the women who have more sex. It looks like down on the wife who is humble and obedient and to the hooker who has sex for money. No, the strong woman says no to her man and makes him grovel and crawl for a rare session of sex.
The crazy part is men go along with it and brag about following these crazed feminine virtues. I would love to issue a challenge to any man bragging about how he does not cheat on his wife. I would counter today and say, "Yeah, and is that a good thing? Text your woman right now and say you need a blowjob and let's see how long it takes her to come. If she does not come right away, you are not virtuous, you are a p*ssy whipped sap. "
So I finally had an explanation to give to my attorney friend, and I said, "It is not my woman who is different. It is the legal system. 84% of babies are born out of wedlock in Colombia and 95% of the men there pay no child support. The legal system is so expensive that even if the same laws are on the books, people cannot access the law, and that is why my woman is different. She does not have a legal system siding with her if we have trouble. She has incentive to treat me well. "
Because there are no real consequences for cheating in Colombia, the men do so all the time. I said before that of all the Colombian husbands I met I thought there was maybe one who did not cheat. Well, I just found out he has cheated too. LOL.
That took the lawyer aback, and he responded, "My gosh, that means the women are oppressed. " I shrugged my shoulders and thought, "Or maybe it is just the American / Western mentality is oppressing men. "
Thing is the Western churches are going to produce a product that caters to their audience, which IMO is more women than men. They also will cater to the government as long as government gives them their tax exempt status. So while there may be a smattering of wives being told to take care of their husbands, IMO it is not going to be the main course; it can't be.
And that is what is different about Colombia. Sure, I had made it clear early on that monogamy and frigidity do not go hand in hand, but she has a strong sex drive herself. The thing is that she knows at any time I can cut her off and legally there is nothing she can do, but my attitude has changed. My gal and her daughter are so much a part of my life now I cannot imagine cutting them off.
And then a feeling popped up one that I never expected to. I no longer felt that these women in my life were a cost, but I felt like it was a privilege to pay for them, and I NEVER expected that. Can you find that in a country with Western type laws? Maybe a small town innocent girl kept away from political infighting, unaware of her "rights" as a woman and off of social media? I guess anything is possible, but I am not sure it exists.
Sure, that is what all women want to feel. That spending money on them is a privilege and not a cost but the women do not reciprocate. They are not willing to take that legal gun down and say, "I love and trust you so much that we do not need the law in our lives. I will prove my worth to you and you will feel it is a privilege to care for me because I take such good care of you. " If any woman said that, her sisters would shame her and verbally beat the snot out of her.
So I don't know. I don't think I could have that feeling in a Western culture. As long as that gun is there, providing for a woman is always going to feel like a cost and if it is a cost, then the only thing I can trust is transactional sex IMO. If you want to have a relationship based on love and trust, find a country where the men aren't held at sexual gunpoint.
DwayneJohnson
01-24-26, 14:45
The worst BPDer I had was my ex-wife, and she was a churchgoer. And then there is Jena Presley. She is a former porn star and now going by her real name Brittni De La Mora. When she was getting older and in less demand, she decided that she would move from porn actress to being a borne again Christian podcast star. She became a pastor's wife, but she did her last porn scene after being baptized. It seems to me that getting attention was her drug.
I personally was not that religious growing up but I noticed religious people seem to be at peace and lived longer, so I gave it a try. I can see why people like it. There is a type of group high involved with going. Eventually though, the feeling died, and it felt more like an Amway pitch than about living one's best life. I did enjoy learning about what Jesus said but what he said and who Christians are often seemed miles apart.
In Europe (except German and French cities) church going women tend to be prettier and hotter than average seeking girl or escorts. Lack of tattoos, piercing, duck lips, Botox, veganism etc keeps them in their natural beautiful condition. I am an atheist but still go to Church due to this drastic difference in quality. I guess it's not same in US.
Steve 9696
01-24-26, 18:04
Technically this wasn't a seeking date because I met her at a sex club. But it was that same GF experience that we all love. Plus I know some of you are curious about sex scene in rest of world. If you go one place go to São Paulo. Bucket list for every man. Enjoy!
It's hard to even describe how awesome this trip was. As per my recent playbook, I'the planned a mix of the girl buffet and time with a GF (Nat) whom I really enjoy and care about. And that worked perfectly, with the GF-time being the highlight by far.
I'the met Nat over a year ago at Scandallo. The last girl of my Nov 2024 trip, she rocked my world and we stayed in touch. That single magical hour led to one of my best long term experiences ever. I saw her for a three day sleepover in the spring and another in the fall and was now gearing up for the third visit of the year.
I can only describe Nat as a force of nature; like an amazing tornado of vivacious bubbly sexuality. She has the most dazzling smile, the body of a goddess, and is perpetually laughing, dancing or twerking her picture perfect ass.
As it happens, my friend Mark, whom I travel with, is equally smitten with his petite hottie and last visit we'the all become comfortable with having sex in the same room / bed. This was a slippery slope from a little drunken sex in proximity to full on voyeurism while fucking up a storm. No partner swapping, as we are both are mercilessly smitten with our respective girls, but damn it's sexy to be able to be part of a live porn scene.
So for this visit, we planned a full-on vacation with our girls to an island off the coast of Brazil called Ilhabela. We rented an oceanside villa with an infinity pool that overhung the water with a 180 degree view of the bay. It looked absolutely spectacular online, and it delivered in all respects.
Before our mini-vacay though, Mark and I kicked it off at the legendary Scandallo. Of course this is the baddest girls venue on the planet and it delivered its usual amazing experience.
As we haved played this game a lot, we are pros at fending off the many girls that will approach, and really focused on the club experience. Despite this, Mark got swept up quickly by a new girl he was quite taken with. But after some dinner as a threesome and their hour together we worked the club as two single guys on the loose.
Scan of course is just a blast always and with 200 girls to choose from you are bound to find something to your taste. We eventually found a pair of girls and decided to take them to a single room. We'the done this before here and they have a big room with two king beds.
I'the tell you all about it, but we were pretty lit and I can't remember any of the in-room time! I do have some great pics of two gorgeous girls and their shit-eating-grin partners all cuddly for the camera though, so I guess we had a great time!
Of course, horn dogs we are, after a few hours at Scan we bounced to Casarao. Casarao is a more mid-market club with lots of local guys dressed identically in black Tshirts and sneakers, so as two welll-dressed gringos we get plenty of attention.
If you have been to Casarao before the expansion you absolutely must go again. They blew out the wall behind the smoking patio and more than doubled the club space. The new area also feels very luxe and open almost Scandallo's level. And the talent likewise has moved up a notch. It's a late night club but damn it too was packed with over 120 girls which never would have been possible before.
We enjoyed just hanging and vibing and fending off sharks, when around 3:30 I took a duo of a two pixies. The main one was super cute and the friend a little less so, but a pixie duo is always fun. So off we went, agreeing 1000 for the both, there onsite.
At Casarao you go to the hotel next door. Sometimes there can be quite a wait but maybe by now less so because we went right in. They gave us a room straight ahead that was a bit bigger and had a stripper pole.
In the room the girls performed really well, giving it their all for a solid 50 minutes before coaxing a shot. And none of the CBJ BS that has become epidemic at Casarao. However at the end they tried to scam me saying it was 1000 EACH! Of course being a pro, I was having none of it. They said they will call security and I said go for it. They did and I told the guy no fucking way. He took my side and suddenly the girls were all happy and friendly like nothing happened!
(As an aside my buddy took a Casarao girl home for the night and in the morning she tried to scam him saying the 1000 are was just to go to the hotel and the sex was more. He also shut this shit down. So even tho Casarao has upgraded a lot it's still not without this kind of BS which Scandallo will not tolerate.).
After our night at the clubs, it was time to meet up with our girls. We had them come the night before the trip so that the lateness endemic to Brasileiras would not delay the morning trip to the island. This was a great bonus night, with massive quantities of sushi and sake and some great single room sex with the girls. We also got the car which meant the morning takeoff was smooth.
We got a massive Jeep Commander as Marks girl packs as if we're going for a month. But it all fit and off we go, Nat at the wheel. She loves to drive and did a great job on the four hour journey. It was great to let her take the wheel and to just enjoy the ride.
To say the villa is spectacular is an understatement. Literally overhanging the ocean with 180 degree view of the channel and all the boats passing thru. In inimitable Nat style, she hands me the camera, already recording video, and as I film, loses her flip flops and dress in one fluid motion and cannonballs into the pool! That girl! What a whirlwind of girlish enthusiasm.
The rest of us take a second to settle our things but it's only moments before we all shed our clothes and jump in naked. OMG so liberating. Mark points out that Nat is cheating, still wearing a sheer set of panties. Of course Nat being Nat, she quickly pulls them off and whooping, swings them around her head and up into the air. In a comedic moment, a gust of wind catches them, sweeps them past the edge of the infinity pool and deposits them on the rocks 30 feet below, with no apparent hope of retrieval. (We do get a fisherman to retrieve them and throw them back to us the next day. 😜.
The time on the island is nothing short of magical. The girls are over the moon about the villa and being treated like princesses. The highlight is probably the first night where we kill two bottles of Baileys and numerous joints.
Both girls get super horny when they smoke (which is often!) so the skinny dipping turns into casual dick stroking while sitting at the patio table and then full on blowjob and sex fest in the chairs at the patio table. Both girls are really comfortable now and much watching each other fuck and suck. Goddamn it was sexy as fuck! What a great way to start the vacay.
The vacay was basically fuck, eat, drink, smoke and fuck some more! It was amazing. Our last night we have a lovely dinner at DPNY hotel which has amazing beachside dining. It's not your usual beachside dining, as there is a massive tropical storm that night. We enjoyed our dinner while watching 8 ft waves crash and beachside beds flying about! One for the books.
The other sexual highlight was after dinner that night. Back in So Paulo we had bought them a shit ton of lingerie and it was time to put it to good use. So we set up a fashion show in the living room. The girls would go downstairs and put on an outfit and come back up and give us a sexy dance show, with Nat even dancing atop the coffee table.
Although the girls had already been sexy dancing and rubbing our dicks thru our shorts, Mark has the brilliant idea after the third set to take off our shorts, while leaving our shirts on. The girls come in their sexiest outfits to date and as they start to engage, they find our naked surprise. Neither girl misses a beat! But this of course leads to passionate sex a few minutes later as they both kneel to start blowing their man.
Some truly mind blowing sex occurs, with plenty of voyeurism both ways. Marks girl has the finest ass on planet earth, no lie, and watching her fuck the bejesus out of Mark while I'm fucking Nat is absolutely legendary. At the end I have Nat in mish on the couch and we are both watching our friends fuck cowgirl and RCG on the other couch. She's on her back but with her head to the side so she can watch the action just a few feet away. The whole thing is sexy as fuck and I blow a hot load deep inside Nat.
Our plan for the rest of the week is to drop the girls and return to the girl buffet, And we do start this way, repeating at Scan with a lovely girl named Monique (Mon neek kee in the local accent). Wow. On optics this girl fucking rules. She tries to pull the CBJ shit which is rare at Scan but I can see how she gets away with it with that face. But I tell her to fuck off and let's close up shop and she caves.
This girl is SMOKING hot. But after all the fucking in the rearview, I am perilously hard to finish. We try all my usual tricks her masturbating while I wank, her sucking balls while I wank but nada. But this is how beautiful she is: I pull her up from ball sucking and am slowing massaging a tit while wanking but she is just staring into my eyes with a sexy smile and omfg she is sooo fucking gorgeous that I shoot a load just looking into her eyes! That's a first!
Of course always the hot dogs, we bounce to Casarao. The new big patio is not open, but still packed with girls late night (probably 3 ish by now? I settle on an impossibly slim hottie with school girl glasses and dazzling smile and eyes. I tell Amanda that I want to take her back to the hotel but won't fuck that night but will in the morning.
Well the best laid plans. Go to shit. She is much too hot to not fuck right then and there. So we go at it that night. She is absolutely lovely other than CBJ (always ask first at casarao or really anywhere) and despite CBJ will do balls really well. I can't pull the rabbit out of the hat that night but do when we wake the next morning. So I kinda broke my "no sex tonight" agreement and fucked her once before bed and once after, but no issue and a bubbly goodbye in the morning at the agreed rate.
That night we have a double date planned with two other girls we like. Cris and Larissa. We have some dinner at a nice Churrascaria and go to separate rooms for the sex fiesta.
Cris and I have lovely patient and caring sex and a bubble bath to end the night. She's def my number 2 in SP these days. She lacks the bubbly Nat charisma, but is a fucking dynamo in bed. She can string together Os like no other girl I've met, having 6 or 7 while riding me like a beast. I finally had to pull her off me to pound one out in mish! She's really a lovely girl and I'the be happy to make her mine, but Nat is just toooooo amazing.
After Cris leaves, we bounce to Gauguin where Marks girl works. We know she will be there and she knows we are coming, and plan to respect her job while getting to know the club, where we'the not been to before.
If you like Scan you will like Gauguin as well. Very upscale. A bit smaller basically the size of the main Scan dance club. Great grunge rock band if a bit too loud. One thing to not miss is there is an upstairs patio area that is very quiet. It's not upstairs in the main club but you go back out and upstairs at the checkin desk. It would be a great play to grab a hottie and take her up there to talk more privately.
Mark and I don't plan to take anyone but I cruise the club and run into Marks girl. She's super happy to see me and even happier Mark is here. I take her back to where Mark is surrounded by ten girls all very interested. She plants a huge mouth kiss on Mark and the girls scatter like fish as a barracuda swims in! Haha priceless.
We enjoy a little club time, but Mark bounces home and I bounce to Casarao at 2. 30. The patio is open and the vibe is lit. The upstairs is just rows of girls and no guys but downstairs the party is on. I'm thinking of taking Marks girl from the previous Casarao night when I bump into another favorite girl Carine.
Carine is one big ball of fun. She squeals and throws her arms around me. She is the epitome of a party girl. We smoke and do tequila shots and dance like fiends. She's naughty as fuck and has my hands on her tits 24/7. Except when she drops out her perfect Cee cups for me to suck on one. Grinding me and had my hand between her legs feeling her wet pussy. What a whirlwind of sexual chemistry in the club. There is no shy in this girl.
Back in the room we fuck like bunnies forever but no getting a shot off with Amanda, Cris, and Carine all in less than 24 hours and that following the Nat fuckfest. Nonetheless we have an amazing time and she is a trooper for well over an hour.
For my final night Mark is getting back with his number 1 and while I had planned to go out clubbing I already miss Nat just two days later. So we plan a final double date. It too is epic because it's like another little vacay.
We go to dinner that night just pizza, but kill two bottles of wine at dinner. Back in Marks room we have Bailey chilling and it's on! Music blasting, weed a plenty and killing the Baileys, we get a call from the front desk to turn it down! Hahaha bad boy and girls. We oblige but still have fun and some amazing sex to close the night.
Even tho we are leaving next day we have 4 pm checkout due to platinum hotel status, which is so cool. We booked the girls for a couples massage and had some coffee while we waited. (They couldn't take all four) and then spent time at the pool.
It was finally approaching 2:30 and time to close things out. We each went to our respective rooms for some private intimate sex to end the visit. As much as the group sex was fun, the intimacy with someone you really care for is hard to beat. Nat and I had an amazing time and with me on top and her working her gorgeous Dcups while cooing and looking me in the eyes I shot a hot load CIP. OMG what a way to end the trip.
And that, my friends was So Paulo and Ilhabela. Only seven girls which is low for me, but Nat and I were shacked up most of the time, and the Ilhabela vacay was chock full of lifetime memories. Adore that girl and the times we have together. I know these things are all transient and two years pretty much the max but here at one year plus still going strong and can't wait to see her again.
OK so on the Rio thread someone asked me to post about my experiences with someone with BPD.
To preface I am 38, American. I think women find me cute and attractive but not super handsome.
About 3 years ago I met a 10/10 girl in Mexico City on seeking, she is now 24. We had an instant connection. Then didn't see each other for 2 years and reconnected a year ago. The 2nd time around it wasn't as much about money as it was a real relationship / travel ect ect.
Well it turns out she has severe borderline personality disorder. And being involved with someone like that, it's taxing and will mess you up in the head as well. Except it's very hard to separate yourself from it.
I guess my takeaways are the age old phrase 'you can't turn a ho into a housewife'.
When people on here give the advice SA is best when you keep an arrangement and its for play only; it's probably strong advice.
If you meet or have an inkling someone you meet and have sex with has BPD, run away before you start developing attachments to them, because once those unhealthy bonds form they are much more difficult to break.Thanks for expounding.
So what made her borderline apart from seeing you stone-cold as a kind of ATM which many chicks do?
Often with BPD there is major drama with self-harm, emotional blackmail, fake suicide attempts etc.
I hope I can rebound and get over her, but man is it tough.Many of us experienced being in love with an unsuitable / unavailable woman. What to do? The best therapy is having fun with a ton of other chicks. Go to a (safe!) location of your choice and have serious fun with many, many girls. That will work.
In Europe (except German and French cities) church going women tend to be prettier and hotter than average seeking girl or escorts. Lack of tattoos, piercing, duck lips, Botox, veganism etc keeps them in their natural beautiful condition. I am an atheist but still go to Church due to this drastic difference in quality. I guess it's not same in US.Oh wow. Which countries do you have in mind?
DonCarlos1234
01-27-26, 10:33
So it got me when I went to Colombia, and I met several women who had never been on seeking and obviously had a lower notch count. There was a lot more interest with many of these women in being a GF than getting paid. If someone has been on the site for a while, they could be decent SB material, but they would probably be horrible GF / wife material.
Anyway, that was part of the learning process with seeking. You get the dream girl not just the hottest high school cheerleader but the hottest one at a D1 school and because of seeking, you can actually honestly say, "Yeah, I deserve better than that. " LOL.Hi Elvis. I'm back on the quest. Had a short distraction / learning experience during last trip / tour I did with my doc friend in October. (1 week with the same girl in Medellin hotel) Then, while putting my hotel lobby pic on what's app 2 of my favorite SA girls from 4-5 years ago reached out to ask how are you doing, etc. LOL The attorney from Bogota I thought I'd never hear from again wants to see me. So although I would love to see them. I read a lot of your posts and it occurs that there are still some Colombian equivalents of D1 schools which I KNOW some of those girls will want to meet me! See even years later you get a HUGE ROI if you pay attention. I'll return to Colombia for 3 weeks in April.
Thanks for expounding.
So what made her borderline apart from seeing you stone-cold as a kind of ATM which many chicks do?
Often with BPD there is major drama with self-harm, emotional blackmail, fake suicide attempts etc.I actually was never treated like an ATM by her. We did take a number of really nice vacations.
She is diagnosed with BPD and there are 9 qualifying factors. We have spoken a lot about the therapy she does and her therapist, but the truth is she needs way more therapy.
I have witnessed self harm and have had to stop it. In additional to BPD 'panic attacks' they are gnarly.
The lying was probably the worst part as was the emotional swings. One second "I love spending time with you and te quiero; Lets meet in 2 weeks and go camping in Montana". Then arrive at the airport and can't even look me in the eye or get up to say goodbye when I go to board my flight.
I always knew she would see other dudes and get money from them, which is fine because I don't want to support someone who lives in a different country / city then me. But it became a huge problem for me when we were traveling and she said she was going to India for a month for a yoga trip. When is reality she went to Dubai to meet another guy and then Vietnam with who I assume was the same person. Why make these elaborate lies? It was making me second guess anything that came out her mouth, could be potentially be a lie.
Elvis 2008
01-27-26, 17:49
Hi Elvis. The attorney from Bogota I thought I'd never hear from again wants to see me. So although I would love to see them. I read a lot of your posts and it occurs that there are still some Colombian equivalents of D1 schools which I KNOW some of those girls will want to meet me! See even years later you get a HUGE ROI if you pay attention. I'll return to Colombia for 3 weeks in April.Yeah, the lawyer was wife material when I talked to her, but she was young. I think she was 21 right? Five years is nothing for us but from 21 to 26 maybe she has matured and has gotten all the things single people need to get out of their system before settling down.
Following social media I see a lot of former SBs settled down. In Colombia, I often see the former SBs with kids and occasionally with their fathers. LOL. Sometimes, they are with new guys or on adventures that look to be sponsored by SDs. Some look as good as ever; some got fat.
If I had to play it again, I would never mind reuniting with one where it was just time and distance that separated us. For the most part though, if I got sucked into a reunion based on the looks and good sex. I would wonder why did I let this one go, and the reason would resurface in no time. Oh wait, she is crazy, greedy, undependable ETC. So if you let one go and take her back, chances are you will regret it a second time.
I see all these guys on here pumping up their chests and saying, "Yeah, the women really want a guy who looks like me. " No, dude, that is what they may want to fuck for a fling. If you cannot provide for them, all you ever will be is a fling. There is a big difference in attracting and keeping a woman.
My gal's daughters and her friends have been a source of amusement. There was this big dance and my gal's daughter wanted to go home per her friends. Here is a girl that is wife material but she likely has never even kissed a boy telling me why she was not interested in Colombian boys, "They do not have any money", she said.
I think being a SD was good practice for being a BF / SO to a woman. I learned not to get overly dependent on any one woman, not to give up control of the money / power, and not to care too much what society thinks. Society right now is being run by women's values, and with women, you just do like they do and pay homage to them verbally and then do what you want.
I think if you are a guy and you are the provider that you should expect a relationship to be better than one with a SB. If not, then you are going to roam. It was funny in that I had a time where my gal did not reach out to me, and the old SD paranoid feelings came back. Why isn't she calling? Is she mad? Is it over? Is she not going to show up? And then I laughed at myself being silly and thought her phone ran out of juice and that is what it was.
One issue we have in this forum is too often we talk about the home runs and not enough about the strike outs, and there are a lot more strike outs than home runs, and yeah, I do not miss those at all.
Steve 9696
01-27-26, 22:01
Always interesting to read but disagree Elvis that there are more strikeouts than homers. At least I would define a strikeout as not wanting to have sex with the girl you met up with or vice versa. Of course just having sex isn't a home run — a home run to me is a girl you want to see again and again.
I've prob done this 100+ times in 5-10 countries. I think maybe 3 or 4 strikeouts? All in US. A pile of home runs and triples and a handful of grandslams. On balance waaaaay more positive than negative once she's been vetted and we agree to meetup.
What are other people's experience like in terms of success vs failure using SA (after you agree to meetup).
Manizales911
01-28-26, 18:28
Always interesting to read but disagree Elvis that there are more strikeouts than homers. At least I would define a strikeout as not wanting to have sex with the girl you met up with or vice versa. Of course just having sex isn't a home run a home run to me is a girl you want to see again and again.
I've prob done this 100+ times in 5-10 countries. I think maybe 3 or 4 strikeouts? All in US. A pile of home runs and triples and a handful of grandslams. On balance waaaaay more positive than negative once she's been vetted and we agree to meetup.
What are other people's experience like in terms of success vs failure using SA (after you agree to meetup).I have had great luck with Seeking. I don't have the numbers that you and Elvis claim to have and I've only used it in Colombia so far but I'm very happy with the results. I dumped two this week, one girl I dumped after our first date because I wasn't physically attracted to her, she was a little on the heavy side, great personality and good in bed but I won't settle for anything less than great in all categories. The other girl I dumped asked me to send her money before we even met, it was a tiny amount but it is a huge red flag, then she told me she didn't like giving or receiving head, she was 19 and hot but. DUMP.
Steve 9696
01-28-26, 19:15
I have had great luck with Seeking. I don't have the numbers that you and Elvis claim to have and I've only used it in Colombia so far but I'm very happy with the results. I dumped two this week, one girl I dumped after our first date because I wasn't physically attracted to her, she was a little on the heavy side, great personality and good in bed but I won't settle for anything less than great in all categories. The other girl I dumped asked me to send her money before we even met, it was a tiny amount but it is a huge red flag, then she told me she didn't like giving or receiving head, she was 19 and hot but. DUMP.Hahaha literally laughed out loud.
"I don't like to give head. Please send me some money. ".
Has that ever worked? Maybe she needs the money because of her disability (inability to give head). 😜
P.S. Been doing SA quite aggressively since 2018 thus my numbers. Most importantly I've met 5+ girls who I totally vibe with and had relationships for a year or more off and on. There's a girl in vegas I met when she was a smokin 24 and she's 30 now! She'the still fuck me at the drop of a hat and still looks 24.
It has been in my head since last year, but is seeking still worth the price paying for the subscription and such? For example in where I live I even see ads from escorts, however as I move to other cities It looks better. The price was raised from October and now 30 days alone is 150. Other members said there was a golden time back in 2016 and then it went to a spiral.
Steve 9696
02-08-26, 14:39
It has been in my head since last year, but is seeking still worth the price paying for the subscription and such? For example in where I live I even see ads from escorts, however as I move to other cities It looks better. The price was raised from October and now 30 days alone is 150. Other members said there was a golden time back in 2016 and then it went to a spiral.The answer to this depends on your budget and geography. To me if you are going fuck girls on the regular who are a few hundred dollars then it's foolish to avoid paying $150/ month to find a gem. That said, if you want to find a gem you have to put in the time. And by that I mean you have to spend 15 minutes every night browsing, contacting and chatting. This is because the gems come on and go off very quickly. Most guys on there are douchebags. So a good girl is going to come on, be quickly offended and be off within 2 weeks. So you have to be on to catch them.
Case in point: the girl who I am fucking today at 2:30! Masters student. Never done a Seeking date before. I'm her third guy lifetime. Really. And now we fuck weekly. The only way I happened upon her is I was at a bar one night telling a friend how lame the local scene is (second tier city) and there she was along with another newbie. I texted them both right then. Heard from this girl the next day and the rest is history.
So you have to constantly be weeding and feeding. That said I think some big cities are played out like nyc and La and vegas. Girls there wanting $1000+. Ouch I'm not doing that. I've found girls there at 500 but damn that's a lot of work. But smaller cities are more reasonable and outside the US it's a fucking goldmine. My buddies have been slaying in Spain and Germany of late.
The other key point is you have to be constantly meeting new girl even if you have a regular. For example in Mexico City I had this girl I really adored. We had such chemistry. I went down to see her again and knew I should always be prospecting. Well it ended up being a little weird with her. But I met a new girl who was great. And after two dates brought her bi friend to the party. Absolutely epic duo including girl on girl. So much so that I am reprising it soon.
But knowing this could go south eventually I am also prospecting. I have three other dates lined up in addition to the duo and turning away girls right and left because I don't want to overload the schedule. So places like Mexico City and Barcelona you can go absolutely wild if you like Latinas.
TLDR: small price to pay for amazing experiences. If you put in the work.
VanessasClient
02-09-26, 05:52
My personal take on the site as of 2026; having physically met 2 girls from the site within the past month. If you are fully loaded, and money is of no object to you, then yes, I would say it's good to pay for a subscription. But, if you are trying to make things as cost efficient as possible, then absolutely not. I know where I can go and see pretty looking girls for about 50 USD an hour; granted most of those cities have significant risk of crime. By paying $150, that's almost enough to get me 3 sessions with a nice girl. And the thing about Seeking is. There is no guarantee of a return on your investment. I think I will switch to Tinder, as lots of girls use it.
Elvis 2008
02-10-26, 06:50
Always interesting to read but disagree Elvis that there are more strikeouts than homers. At least I would define a strikeout as not wanting to have sex with the girl you met up with or vice versa. Of course just having sex isn't a home run a home run to me is a girl you want to see again and again.
I've prob done this 100+ times in 5-10 countries. I think maybe 3 or 4 strikeouts? All in US. A pile of home runs and triples and a handful of grandslams. On balance waaaaay more positive than negative once she's been vetted and we agree to meetup.
What are other people's experience like in terms of success vs failure using SA (after you agree to meetup).Steve, I thought back to my first five dates ever in Bogota, Colombia, and Colombia blew away Mexico and the USA for me with seeking.
I bedded three of the five women I met. Now bear in mind, I am in Bogota, Colombia, a 15 minute walk from Santa Fe and I have bedded a street walker from Cali who IMO is a 9 with a 10 body. I paid her $15 the first time I saw he and she gave me a kick ass massage. The next time I saw her I said I wanted an hour and no one to bug us with the dreaded door knock and asked how much that was, and she said $25.
And how much did the two women I rejected want? One wanted $300 and the other wanted $800. This is what I mean by a strikeout, dealing with women with golden pussy syndrome.
Then one of the three was lousy in bed so IMO that is a strike out. Of the other two, one turns out to be a complete flake. That IMO is a strike out as well. The final girl was a gem. She was a teacher, nanny, and she was one of the most positive people I have ever met. She was definite GF / SB / wife material. Things did not work out with us but sure enough, I followed her on social media, and she was engaged to a guy that I would bet that she met on seeking.
FWIW, the three women I bedded did not mention a price and I gave them what comparable outcall escorts were going for at the time which was around $60 back then.
The lawyer Don is talking about was the woman I was most excited to meet even before I actually laid eyes on her. She was from wealth, spoke many languages, was / is a lawyer, and she went to Cordon Bleu in Paris to learn to cook. She did not have pics on the site but then she sent me photos and I was stunned. Don got to her before I did and in the end, it worked out for me that he got there first. Sure enough, he had images of walking down the aisle with her.
Thing is you get butchered on this site if you mention how much you paid or if you are stood up by the guys seeing run of the mill hookers. Why are you paying $100 a month (or $150 now) to meet women who have GPS, stand you up, or flake out on you and are often not that great in bed? I told everyone on average the sex I had with seeking women was less pleasurable than the sex I had with hookers and the seeking women got more of my money, and they were puzzled as to why guys would do that.
And the reason of course is the SB / GF / wife type gems you meet on seeking you would never meet in a strip club or from an escort service. I told one guy that anyone can go to a great steak place but when you use seeking and you find that gem it is like you have a master chef who is cooking just for you, and it is better than anything you can imagine.
So naturally guys moved away from talking about the strike outs and just mentioned the home runs.
Then there is the Coolidge effect, the pleasure you get from a new girl often exceeds that of the old one. This has to do with spreading our seed and has been studied and sex with the newer women on average creates a greater dopamine hit than the tried and true. So while pursuing that dopamine hit, IMO you have to remind yourself of all the hassles (GPS, no shows, flaking out) that you are ignoring in pursuit of that hit.
And if you are talking post nut clarity once the dopamine hit ihas faded away, in my above example, one in five was worth pursuing in terms of any kind of mutualistic relationship. The other four for me would have been nothing more than just takers. Honestly, it would have been cheaper, easier, and better to see hookers than dealing with them.
And for Don to find a woman better than that lawyer, you are going to go through a helluva lot more women than just five. For me, the reason I gave up the chase was that I was convinced truly finding better was going to be almost impossible. So while that siren song of new pussy is still out there, I have to remind myself of all the times that pursuit of new pussy was not worth it.
Some more wisdom, in addition to ideal situations and best scenario outcomes.
Premium SA account are good for getting attention and initiating first contact and exchanging numbers. Seeking operating model started rationing outbound contacts for ladies and make men pay for diamond subscription I. E the next paid tier as their algorithms are getting clever in finding ways to maximise revenue.
You will find a lot of WGs in SA London as they are organizing their diaries in other names independently outside of their agencies.
Some men like to buy stuffs for younger babes for sugardading so those segments may ask for money upfront or buy and send them gifties like phone, tab etc in return for their time.
I would strongly recommend not to till your first meet.
Emotional clicks are rare find, so just have to be mentally prepared from day 1 to shake the dust off the feet and move on.
Personally find it very hard to get flirty conversations going on via sexting so they are a big turn off for me. In fact seeking helped to realise am not a person designed for online dating, and go back to the tried and tested model of real face to face date or ONS seeking.
Every babe will expect you to text them till the point they are ready to meet.
Good luck!
Thank you, Steve 9696.
This is a great Soup to Nuts guide, it is particularly helpful as you given the clear pointers for each step of the process.
I agree that it will take time and once you are in the game it will be the best and that's exactly what I wanted. Also, I'm similar in the girlfriend aspect you mentioned as the time spent should feel natural and not as a transaction. Will take a dive and fingers crossed should find a great companion.
Thanks again for the inputs, much appreciated.
Steve 9696
02-10-26, 14:31
Thanks for all the insights guys. Elvis, you mention two in person fails were GPS. I always discuss price ahead of the date for this very reason. I don't want to get to a date and find out she has GPS. So my fail rate is by definition lower because I vet that up front. I have made exceptions a couple times when a newbie said "you can give me what you think is fair" but other than that I always settle price before the date.
You do make a good point that sex with an amateur Seeking girl is not as good as with a pro. This surely is expected. But to me an important point is they can be quickly coached up. Like my most recent girl G a year ago when we met apologized after our first bed session saying "I'm sorry I'm not that good at blowjobs". Well after showing her BLS and harmonica she was fucking great. And now I'the say top five all time. She looooved to suck dick but didn't know how.
Same with new girl D. She'the only been with three guys including me. And the others were teen / college kids. Within 3 dates her BJ went from a four to an eight with a bit of coaching. And she hit 9 territory last date.
It's also sooooo much fun to give a girl excellent DATY and her first DATY orgasm, after having only rank amateurs downstairs in the past. The look they get and the things they say about it are just priceless.
So yeah. I remain a big fan. I think people think I don't talk about my fails, but that is not true. I simply haven't had many in recent years. Starting out I did. That's when I started to analyze the fails and the reasons for them. And started to make rules like no lunch dates. And no coffee dates. Dinner and drinks and take it too the bedroom the same night is the only recipe for me. I also got quite into Japanese nampa forums (basically POA stuff) and got so much better at the bounce, kino, and push pull.
I think my last fails were two years ago; both in dallas. One was a straight up scam where I got to the restaurant and she said her mom needed meds and I needed to pay for them. Biatch! Fortunately I had a fat girl on the back burner and we were fucking two hours later after dinner. (And fat girls really do try harder! And her BJ needed zero coaching) And another also in dallas where we vibed soooo hard by text and then like an hour before the meetup her aunt was in a horrible accident in Louisiana and she had to drive out there. Never figured the angle on that one. But they do happen. Just rarely.
also got quite into Japanese nampa forums (basically POA stuff) and got so much better at the bounce, kino, and push pull. Can you elaborate on this Steve?
Elvis 2008
02-10-26, 20:59
Thanks for all the insights guys. Elvis, you mention two in person fails were GPS. I always discuss price ahead of the date for this very reason. I don't want to get to a date and find out she has GPS. So my fail rate is by definition lower because I vet that up front. I have made exceptions a couple times when a newbie said "you can give me what you think is fair" but other than that I always settle price before the date.In the USA, if you did not mention price, you were never going to get a woman in bed. In Colombia, I was overwhelmed. I think that I collected like two hundred numbers before I even got there. Thing is once I was there many / most the time I reached out I was rebuffed or blown off. The five I did meet were over a two day period. I would not have recalled what if any $ numbers I brought up.
Still, you are not seen as a person on line, and the demands are often unreal as the girls are having to weed out the guys trying to get laid for free. Once they meet you and see you are real, it is different. That said, I did not intentionally avoid talking about price. It just did not come up. I wanted to take the women to bed, and they were eager to go. I would often awkwardly put money in their purse as we bid each other adieu.
A guy on here blasted me for that, and he was right to do so. By giving the women money, I was defining the relationship as john-hooker. Why do that if you really like the woman? Maybe she is into you, and that is not what she wanted. Of course, I would insist a woman take money if I wanted a john-hooker relationship.
I have gotten into huge arguments over this with the guys here, and I get where others are coming from. You are going to attract more women if you talk $ to them and you make a good point that you weed out the women with GPS when you talk $. That said, I looked back and realized the best dates I had were when money was not brought up. And for me, it got to a point where when women started talking $, it was a huge turn off. The woman was defining herself as a hooker and yes I get that things are different in the USA and maybe they are even different in Colombia now. I was fishing right before and during the pandemic where desperation on the part of women was huge.
Eventually though, I did know guys started not talking $ with women upon my uriging and were having success. So yes maybe you give up quantity of dates and have to deal with the woman with GPS, but IMO you were giving up quantity for quality. At one point, I had a woman try to give me $ back when we were through and one actually bought and paid for dinner in order to impress me on our first meet. My conditioning was such that and many guys have brought up that these women were playing the long con which turned out to be absolute bullshit. The biggest criticism I have of women / people in general is how few think long term about anything let alone relationships.
And yes, I get that when you talk price you lower the number of dates and have to deal with GPS, but the other thing is that you are devaluing yourself. There was this know it all fool on here who said that I was the best option for my woman and then in the same breath saying guys could not date or meet estrato 6/ higher class women. The funny part was that I had already met and dated such women. What he was talking about with regards to best option was money, but he stumbled onto something I have not forgotten. Yeah, I am her best option, but I wanted to tell that dumb ass he has no idea what her values are.
Yes, the generic phrasing of guys is that I am good looking, well to do, and intelligent, and the women really want me. That guys do that on a hooker site kind of cracks me up, and I get it when I am out with better looking friends that the women are more interested in them, but I know now that liking is superficial. It is a different skill set to keep women than to attract them, and those guys may be good at the former but suck at the latter. If they were good at the latter, they would not be bragging about how wanted they are. The guys good at both are actually hesitant talking about women because of their terrible breakups when their women do not fill their needs. I remember one handsome guy I worked with saying, "Man, I got too many women", and he meant it.
The point is that when you focus on money you are in essence saying, "Yeah, maybe you like the better looking or younger guy more but here is $ to make up for it. ", and you are neglecting what the women really want which is to be happy. And that is why I was able to see so many women at once and be honest about it. When one woman told me that a friend of hers objected to my seeing other people, she told her friend, "All I know is that I am happy when I am with him. Why should I care what he is doing when he is not with me?
And I guess I kind of unwittingly got to that point. All of a sudden my criteria was could I make that person happy and could she make me happy? Yes, money for her and sex for me was a part of it but it had to go beyond that for lasting happiness. You have to enjoy the other person's company because eventually the importance of the money for her and sex for you will diminish in value.
And that is where the jealous dolt gave me insight. Yes, I am my gal's best option not financially but with regards to making her happy. And THAT is the real reason her friends are jealous. They see how happy she is when I am around and how sad she is when I am not.
But what is best for you may not be best for someone else depending on where you are in your life. For me, in the beginning, just sex with someone new was good enough. Then I wanted sex that was not machine like and went to seeking. Then I wanted to have sex with women where it felt like she really cared about me. At first, if it was just a fantasy, I did not care. Hell, everyone would tell you that it was not possible for someone so much younger and so hot to really like you. But I was getting different feedback. I was seeing women really caring more for me more than the $ I brought to the table. The other and harder part was convincing myself that I had more to offer the women than just money. We American men have been badly conditioned to believe that is all women really want. So I had to know if I could make the fantasy a reality and very cautiously made the move to do so.
So for me, it was forced or expected initmacy and exclusivity with sex and marriage. Disappointment there led to sex with hookers / strangers. They got old and I wanted more initmate sex with women who were friends / acquaintances. Then I wanted to know if the person really liked me and would continue to please me sexually. And if she did, could I be happy with exclusivity by choice.
It is funny how guys who have seen hookers buck the trend. They were unhappy with conventional means to get sex and went outside of it to hookers. Then there was the move to more intimacy with SBs. Then you have guys who rejected going abroad as unsafe but those of us who did so will likely never be exclusive to the USA again. But then you run into this other and possibly last cultural wall, the culture among moners, that says do not make the fantasy a reality AKA she only likes you for your money. Well, I was ready to break through that last wall and am glad I did, but it worked only because the timing in my life was right to do so. I tried once before when my attitude was not right and got burned, and it hurt and hurt a lot.
What you think is best is where you are at in the cycle. I know Don is at the point where he is considering that exclusivity by choice is an option, but I get the hesitancy. Just because it worked for me does not mean it will work for him and like I said, I was burned the first time I tried it.
That said, I do not know if this is it. Just because it is working today does not mean it will work tomorrow. All I know is for the first time in decades I am not looking for better because I am not sure there is better. As of now, I am just wanting to keep things the same. Whether that happens for Don or anyone else, I have no idea.
TedFerguson
02-22-26, 09:36
Last fall I spent a few weeks in SE Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines) having never been before. Having spent a fair amount of time in the Americas and Europe, SE Asia stands out as *very* different culturally. Perhaps some of the most amazing food I've ever had. And yet, pretty weak for sugar dating.
First stop was Bangkok, where I also met our friend Steve9696 over dinner at a Michelin-rated Thai place with a memorable marinated tofu, and durian dessert cups. For meeting girls, I used ThaiFriendly, Seeking and Nana Plaza. The first thing that stands out was that I generally did not find Thai girls attractive. Even at Nana (working girls are generally hotter than sugar girls), I had a hard time. Generally flat posteriors and despite a friendly attitude, it really felt like they were going through the motions as opposed to being authentic. ThaiFriendly mostly seemed geared towards one hour meets with girls who barely speak English. And Seeking had girls that were asking ridiculous amounts, think $300 and up, for the same flat asses and mediocre looks. I think the main issue is the lack of English in Thailand, the working girls have a very rudimentary level of English and a high number of tourists. This supply and demand makes sugar dating expensive and impractical, unless you're ok with dating working girls. Anyhow. I met one girl on ThaiFriendly who was a teacher, spoke great English and we got along well, but she was maybe a 7 in my book and the sex felt scripted. Also notable, despite all of these influencers talking about how great Thailand is and their super fancy apartments, I found it was quite challenging to get a decent apartment without bugs and with a AC system that didn't bother my eyes.
Next destination was the Philippines, where the language barrier was less of an issue. Arrive and get swarmed with messages, on Seeking and PinaLove. This was my first mistake, I never should have posted my location as Manila. The general attitude of the girls was mercenary and aggressive, and most of them not very attractive. I met one girl who behaved like an educated civilian. She was tiny, maybe 155 cm, super thin. The sex was interesting, it felt like banging a teenager even though she was 23. Despite being of average size, she was so tight we needed to use lube. At that point I realized why Asian girls prefer Asian customers, they probably don't enjoy being stretched out. And I also realized that all my teenage wishes of having a larger penis were impractical, it would just mean I need to use lube more often and complicate having sex. The joys of maturity. Even though I got along well with this girl, I wouldn't say we connected. I left the Philippines after 10 days because I got sick eating the food, some of the worst I've ever had, flavorless. If you can tolerate the food and the depressing vibe (country is less functional than LatAm, which is saying something), it might be suitable for sugar dating.
At this point I realized Asia was not for sugar dating, excepting maybe Singapore and Japan for US-level prices. LatAm is better by far, and so is Europe. I wasn't getting much work done due to the timezone, so I just decided to head back to Europe. But I wanted to rest up a bit from my food issues in the Phils, so I went to Vietnam. Vietnam in my opinion has the best food in SEA, like Thai food but less spicy. And despite the posterior-ly challenged Thai girls, Viet girls are better in the booty department. Saigon was like Bangkok for Seeking, artificially constrained supply of girls who speak English, grossly high asking prices for average looks. Also, a lot of face filters on the photos to the point where the girls I met didn't look at all like their pictures. The girls I met were generally poor conversationalists, and average in the bedroom. The challenge of finding a decent sugar girl was unreasonable, especially compared to the cheap and cheerful massage places available. Conclusion, like Thailand, Vietnam is more for working girl relationships and not sugar dating. Or marriage. Asian girls seem to be excellent long-term companions.
The main reason I left was that even in Vietnam, the level of cultural disconnect felt enormous. As much as I liked the vibe, the food and so on, I couldn't connect with the people beyond the superficial level, and over a longer period of time I felt like my brain was atrophying. This was also a problem in Thailand, albeit less so in the Phils. It was never a problem in LatAm or Europe. The girls could talk, they could have sex, they could be your friends and keep in touch. All of it felt natural. Asian girls (like many Eastern Europeans I've met), seem to need the structure of either short-term arrangements or a long-term marriage. Casually being yourself with someone and having fun is less in the repertoire. Lessons learned. Asia is for tourism.
Incrociatore
02-22-26, 12:11
Last fall I spent a few weeks in SE Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines) having never been before. Having spent a fair amount of time in the Americas and Europe, SE Asia stands out as *very* different culturally. Perhaps some of the most amazing food I've ever had. And yet, pretty weak for sugar dating.Philippines is the easiest place. Food is a crap, but girls speak in English and it's so easy to find them. I had sex with many, even an 18 years old virgin. Never paid. I had girls to come over to my place just for sex. Never paid anything, in most cases not even a dinner.
Indonesia is also great. Most girls speak in English. I was surprised, almost everyone there speak English. Jakarta unfortunately is the worst city I have been. You can't walk there, and takes tie to go from a place to another one. Accommodation is surprisingly expensive. Taxis are dirty, and hotels as well. Remind me of India. But people are great, friendly, girls are easy going, and it's not difficult to find pretty ones.
Thailand is still the best place to live in Asia, but girls aren't so attractive. Even though I get laid for free all the time in Bangkok, I never pay for sex.
Vietnam si a disgrace. People are mean, girls are only looking for money. It's full of scam. Tinder girls lure foreigners into expensive clubs, cause they have an arrangement, and they get a percentage on drinks. Since I do not pay, during my stay I was not able to get laid, and I was there for a long time. Worst country in Asia. Don't go fellas, it's a waste of time. Bui Vien is completely controlled by the local mafia, there is even fake police. It's a shitty country, I would never go again.
Cambodia is great, and you can still find genuine relationships. People are nice and friendly, there is a great sense of community. Food is fairly good, and super cheap. It's ok for a few days.
I love Japan, and it's possible to get laid for free. If you are willing to pay there are plenty of options, but you need to know where to go. Food is amazing, and girls dress like no others. Not so many pretty girls, and many have terrible teeth, because in Japan not having straight teeth is considered cool. That's unfortunate. In Thailand girls have braces even if they do not need them, because now it's mainstream. Anyway, for me Japanese girls are cute, and what make the most of them is the way they dress.
South Korea has the most beautiful girls, by far. Unfortunately Korea is like Vietnam. They do not like foreigners, in many clubs they don't let us in. They are protective, they have the smallest dicks in Asia, I read. Not many girls speak English. Very competitive society, like Vietnam, but modern and advanced. People are rude. Girls smoke and spit all the time. If you have a smoking fetish that is the place to go. People do not use deodorant because they have a gene modification and do not smell, so it's impossible to find a spray deodorant in Seoul.
As you can imagine, I'm not for pay, and this forum is mostly for pay. I always get laid for free, even though I'm not that young, and not even that attractive. To each his own, I guess. My two cents.
Steve 9696
02-22-26, 14:03
Can you elaborate on this Steve?Sorry I realize I never answered this. Nampa is Japanese street pickup. Not hookers, but seducing civilian girl from a cold approach to the bed. I was reading in surprise and with skepticism this forum:
https://attractionjapan.com/
It's less active now but the past stories are so amazing. Meet a girl on the street. Take her for some quick drinks. Take her to hotel and bang her. Most interesting were the ones where the girl deflects a kisss more than once but an hour later they are banging.
There are some truly great techniques discussed there like push and pull, anti sl*t defense, persistence, kino, etc. At first I found it a bit unbelievable. But then in 2019 I bedded a girl who I got all the way to the room and then she seems uncomfortable. She literally said "I can't have sex with someone I just met". Yet we were banging 20 minutes later while she texted her mom she'the be home late. 😝.
Anyhow I found it quite helpful in upping my game and confidence. Best of luck out there!
P.S. Thanks Ted for the somewhat sobering but honest report out! While I find Asians more attractive than you do, it somewhat aligns with my statement about "for girls do what the city offers best" and since Bangkok and Philippines have well developed sex culture and venue, it's not surprising Seeking is not the best venue. I am finding just the opposite in Mexico City. It has a horrible paid sex scene and Seeking is absolutely overflowing with hotties.
Steve 9696
02-28-26, 18:20
Headed to cdmx which is one of the most target rich Seeking environments I've ever seen. Just tons of girls and new ones every day. I had dates with five different girls set up, one being a duo repeat but the other three new to the harem. I never double book — all these are independent dates for either lunch or dinner.
I decided to head down a day early, which of course means I need a last minute date. I message a few of my dates about rearranging but don't hear back. In the meantime meantime I spam 4-5 girls with the messsge that I'm landing soon and going out to have fun. Maybe with them. This last minute approach often works.
Sure enough I get a couple nibbles but then a strong hit from this gorgeous red head. Although she is not my usual type there is something very appealing about her. And her chat is that bubbly chatty thing I love. So we book a date at this super vibey Asian place in the St Regis.
She's almost an hour late but I can't fault her too bad — the traffic is hideous — and she sends me a live pin so I can stalk her. Eventually she shows and I meet her at the curb. She's def all that with dark red hair to her butt and beautiful green / gray eyes. Surprisingly like my last date here, she shows in jeans and sneakers even though she knows we are going high end. No matter, she looks great.
The restaurant is 100% amazing and we do the Omakaze which is just spectacular. She is over the moon being spoiled like this. Although she is Colombian (but with Nordic coloring) she speaks perfect English, having lived in Canada for six months. This is a wonderful surprise and wins her 1000 bonus points.
After dinner we bounce to Carlotta Reforma which is on the 38th floor of the Ritz. Amazing view but wow the prices. I had a drink from the left hand menu which was $20 usd. She had one from the right hand which was $38 usd! Wtf? Even I am stunned at that price. I mean it was fine and the view to die for, but beware.
I love the bounce because it's the opportunity to deepen the chemistry through physical contact that is harder at dinner. Sure enough, as we take in the view at the Carlotta we are holding hands lightly stroking each other. A little hand on thigh. It's very romantic to the point that I start to get a chub! So it's off to the hotel we go.
One of the things I really like about this girl is she is high energy bubbly. Not quite Nat level, but darn good. She's always smiling and commenting on how great things are. She's dancing in her chair a bit and when we get to the room, she literally skips in before turning around and planting a huge kiss on me. I luv me a bubbly girl.
The kissing is solid but not grade A, as it's plenty of open mouth but I do all the tongue work. But def enough to get that chub (and more) back. And shortly I have her shirt off and am enjoying her perfect A cups with rock hard nipples, as she massages my now hard cock through my jeans.
It's only a minute or so before she's unbuckling and unzipping my jeans ad dropping to her knees. Her BJ is on point tho I have to slow her down a bit. But she's def getting me going. She's not shy about eye contact as she licks the underside before taking it full and deep.
I let her go at that a while. Feels great. We both shed our remaining clothes. Then she hops on the bed on her knees and with me still standing continues great head. No balls yet but we will get to that.
At some point I move her to Steve2 (her on her side blowing me, me fingering her). She's pretty confused about what I am after and we go thru a few odd positions before she settle into Steve 2. Her pussy is nice and wet from the BJ and I loooove fingering while being blown.
I am ready to reciprocate so I push her on her back and start working g her tits. They are quite small but lovely large erect nipples that come even more alive under my mouth. She's grinding and moaning and clearly enjoys this. I am planning to rock her world but her body language declines DATY.
No harm no foul. We will just fuck instead. Although 3 of my dates are confirmed bareback she wants a condom for sex and I don't push it. We mount up doggie style st the side of the bed and is start a good pounding.
After a good bit I swap her to the Steve. First with her legs straight up in front of me. Then I spread her legs and lean over to make out while I fuck her. I love the Steve. It's so versatile.
Even though I like the versatility of the Steve, I get best feeling in mish on the bed driving he'the and kissing. So we move to this and it's great. I am super hard and feel a little build but def not enough with the condom.
So off it comes and I roll on my back for a mouth finish. By now I have her sucking balls and she starts to improvise with long tongue laps from my balls to mid shaft. She's just lapping away like a husky that found a salt lick. OMG it's great.
Twice she goes back full mouth on shaft for the finish but we don't quite get there. She gets back on balls and the Husky move and then a final full mouth finish. The build is slow and beautiful and I'm squirming like like a bass on the shore, until I finally blow a big load in her mouth. Some girls stop when they feel that first shot — but she just keep going and going as I fill her mouth.
Damn that was a great shot. And what a great girl. Bubbly. Full English. Great find and a def repeat.
Steve 9696
03-03-26, 16:48
Wrote up one story below and had two other dates that I will only summarize. But in the meantime here is the best part of my cdmx visit.
Dateline: Mexico City.
T and D are girls I met six months ago on Seeking. Actually I met T and I really liked her. We fucked two nights. Then at lunch the second day she asked if I'the ever had a threesome! Well you got to love that question, because it's going somewhere and in this case it was going straight to D.
Originally she soft played it and when I asked her if they were friends or lovers she said just friends. LIE! Turns out they are a couple but they both love dick too. Sweet! Needless to say our session turned out well, with me learning the nice girl on girl surprise in realtime.
So as I planned my CDMX trip, I had already kicked Danna to the curb since she got lazy. And T was my new girl -- along with D. Although I'd only had the one duo experience with them last August, I could feel their chemistry. They are both great in their own way, but together, they are amazing because their chemistry feeds the threesome. So in addition to arranging three new girl dates, I decided to have T and D over for the weekend -- like a full sleepover, not just quick nights.
The weekend min-vacay was absolutely marvelous. They arrived around 3 on Saturday with a small roll aboard shared between them. Absolutely ZERO issues with the hotel the whole time. No one said a thing, neither on arrival with luggage or whenever we returned to the hotel at various times, including 3. 30 AM our last night.
Although they looked super cute in their torn jeans and sneakers, we had the whole weekend so I didn't try to ravish them from the get-go. They had been excited about the pool, so we made it the first order of business. I had forgotten my suit and neither of them had a suit (they haven't swum since they left Venezuela three years ago!) so shopping was first. There is a cute little walking street in Zona Rosa that is not far so we went there. Got them 6 swimsuits for USD $48 total! And mine was a whopping $12. Some things in CDMX are cheap. And others very US pricing.
So we swam for a couple hours and had Mojitos at the pool (there is a phone where you can call down) and they really enjoyed themselves. But after this it was time for pre-dinner sex. The girls are a nice contrast and check all the boxes between them. T is slim with a bubble butt to die for. And D is a bit softer all over with amazing C / D cup tits. They are both great kissers and love to fuck.
Of course we started with the double blowjob. This is one of the things that clearly takes a duo, at it was epic. Mostly one on balls and one on shaft, which feels amazing. But also a bit of harmonica sandwich, which I also love. From time to time one would come up and make out with me, while the other had full access. I love this too, because kissing while being blown feels sensational.
When I can take it no more, I start fucking T in the Steve. D gets on tit work and is sucking Ts tits while I go to town. They looove that; they also love making out while I fuck one or the other. After a bit, I change to doggie. Love Ts ass, but indicate for the to line up beside her. What guy doesn't have a fantasy to fuck two girls in doggie, alternating between the two? And it’s bareback so no condom switches. It’s odd though because you start mentally comparing notes. T is much better in doggie because she arches her back and the fit is better. D is harder to fuck mechanically, because she keeps her back straighter. Like any good girlfiend would, T coached D up a bit on this, pushing her lower back down. Hahaha.
When I tired a bit, we moved back to double BJ. But before long T wanted to ride. We got D on my face, and T rode while I ate D out. Everyone having a bit of the party! T was putting in a moderate pace at first, but I knew she was working to an O when she started grinding at the pace of a hummingbird. This never gets me to shoot a load, but there is something hornifying about a girl using you as her boy-toy and so I got rock hard.
Well, got to do something with that rock hard hardon, so I swing T to her back and slide in mish. Fuck she feels fine. So I start a good pace, both arms fully extended and also lying on her chest to chest. It's not long before I feel the build and let go a shattering shot CIP.
After some cuddling, we shower and head off to our 730 dinner. We ate at a Argentinian place, because they loved that last time. This time it was a different one and not nearly as good. But steak is generally good, even when not over the top, so we enjoyed ours and nice bottle of Malbec. We planned to bounce to another bar, but strolling towards it, we saw a lingerie shop and stopped in. We ended up buying T a red barely-there outfit with some chains interspersed. It was really cute.
After this, we walked to King Cole bar in the Regis. I love giving low income girls a taste of the high end -- they are 100% in awe of the beauty and elegance of the place and so appreciative. We have a couple vibey cocktails and then bounce to the lower end, more rowdy part of town. We plan to go to Mr Bunny (stay tuned -- high recommend) but they have a no vapes policy and are super strict at security. We don't want to lose my vape, so we stop across the street instead. But we are not digging tiny one shot Bailey's at restaurant markup, so we decide to take the party to the room.
At the liquor store we grab a bottle of Baileys and a bottle of whisky (D prefers) and head to the room. I have a suite with a separate bedroom and living area, so we set up shop in the living room and crank the tunes and pour generous drinks. Damn these girls are so much fun. T gets on her new getup and you can tell she's a little shy about bringing the full stripper energy, but we move the coffee table and she puts on a little show.
At some point, D and I figure we should be naked, so we lose our clothes -- and keep the Bailey's flowing. T starts riding me cowgirl, but like a stripper would -- her tiny pussy-cover still in place and my dick to the side, not inside. This is super nice, but it gets way more nice when D gets on her knees behind her and starts sucking my dick. She's doing a great job and T is grinding so she's getting some love also. But the real kicker comes when the ride starts feeling different and T starts to moan. It takes me a second to process, but D is finger fucking T while she sucks my dick! It was like T and I were fucking but D was the intermediary! Wow. That's a new one.
We also do the doggie swap fucking on the couch, but eventually we take it to the bed. Damn its a bit of blur, but there is much pussy eaten, dick sucked, fucking in various positions, you name it. Its such a free for all when the girls are lovers. But in the end, I take T into Mish and blast another load inside her. As I do, I wonder, should I keep blasting in T -- would she get jealous if I blast in the since T is my main girl and D is our joint side piece. I give it a go the next day, but finish differently. Stay tuned.
The next day is T's sister's birthday, and even though it's a bit weird, I agreed to take her out with the three of us. We end up having a grand time. But first we start at the pool -- just me and T and D. The girls are like fish and stay in the water 24/7. We keep ordering Mojitos and are getting a little lit. I spend quite a bit of time chatting with an American who is just getting into the game. Nice guy and I give him lots of tips and send him my book. But at some point he leaves and things get more interesting.
We are all three in the pool and there is one other guy there reading and turned sideways to us and not paying attention (maybe?) because we start to get very frisky in the pool. Neither T or D can touch bottom, so I often have a girl on each arm, keeping them afloat. It's really sexy when one or the other starts making out with me. I alternate some and it’s nice and we also have a three way kiss. Those are always awkward, but still something you don't get everyday, so fun in and of itself. When D is out of the water, T and I start dry fucking. I mean I have a raging hard on and she's straddled me and grinding cowgirl. Ah, the magic of alcohol!
Eventually my hardon subsides to a chub but I still have the bring me a towel so I can cover up a bit for the guy at the pool and anyone else we find in the elevator. Back in the room its on again. I know that going out with her sister we are probably going to get wasted and crash, so I want to get one in before that starts. The girls of course are down -- they always are.
It's all a bit blurry, but there are a few things I remember. We start double BJ as usual. And we do the thing where T rides me like a hummingbird while I eat the out. We do the side by side doggie. Then I swap T to the Steve and think the will start sucking her tits or making out. But she thinks I am headed for side by side Steve and rolls to her back adjacent.
As appealing at this is, I start fucking T and feels so great I don't really want to switch. But that's OK, T would never leave her girl hanging. She reaches over and masturbates D while I fuck T. This is sexy as FUCK! And let me tell you, girl on girl finger fucking is a completely different thing than when guys do it. Mostly (not always) we try to be a bit gentle or a moderate pace. T is fucking the's Gspot at a mad pace! I'd seen this before in my only other full lesbian lovers duo. A girl can fuck another girl at an astonishing pace. Makes you wonder.
Later we swap to the chair and get on double BJ, but I'm having some trouble finishing. A sure fire finish for me is lube and jacking off while watching a girl masturbate. And two is better than one! So I put them side by side at the edge of the bed and have them masturbate. Although I am enjoying the show, this isn't some slow and sexy thing -- the girls are jacking off lightning fast, straining to get a solid O.
Well, I'm going at it too with dick in hand and it's lovely and I feel the build. I'm thinking I don't really want to drop it on the sheets, so I move onto the bed on my knees, perpendicular to the girls, with T up against my knees. My idea is to drop it on T's tummy and I am getting close. The girls are in a different world now and it’s sexy as fuck as we all reach orgasm at nearly the same time! But the most remarkable thing is that my shot is epic! Instead of dribbling out on Ts stomach, it shoots all the way over her and lands on D’s stomach, a good 2 feet away! Wtf? Never shot that far in my life. It takes a village!
After this her sister arrives and we have a great evening. We go out to a fun dinner place, then bounce to Carlota Reforma on the 38th floor of the Ritz. Amazing view -- I knew because I was there two nights ago with a different girl! Hahaha. And finally we go to Mr Bunny (Zona Rosa) around 9 PM. This is my favorite club in CDMX. It is so local and so happening. Just off the hook. The girls start off very slow, just wiggling in their chairs. But by 1 AM the liquor has done its job and we are all dancing and grinding and feeling the vibe. Her sister had the most amazing time, which made both T and me very happy and we stumble home at 3:30 AM.
Alas, I want to test drive one more girl so I sent them away today. But we may meet up again tomorrow. I do adore these two and want to end on a high note. So my girl tonight would have to rock my world to displace them. Let's give her a chance! But I will probably see T and the tomorrow for one last round of awesomeness.
Steve 9696
03-05-26, 03:06
So I've written up a few of the best parts, but want to capture the entire experience, albeit in less detail. All girls engaged via Seeking Arrangement.
My adventure starts with E, whom I consider a bonus date because I flew in a day early and added her last minute to the roster. She's a bubbly fun girl with perfect english and astonishing red hair and green-gray eyes. We had a absolutely lovely time at omakase and bounce to a roof top bar. Back in the room the sex is solid but I sense just a bit of a pro / fake vibe. Maybe I'm imagining it. She's a nice girl. I'the repeat but not thrilled about the condom sex 5000 R.
The next day is M who clearly has a bit more of a girl next door vibe. She's not the prettiest of my dates but she won flirty chat hands down. When she arrives she's quite a bit frumpier than I imagined. Bundled in a big coat and not looking very Sexy despite being dressed that way.
This date is quite different as she has no English. We make do with google translate. We have drinks at the stunning Carlota Reforma and dinner at the even more stunning Ling Ling. The sex is darn passionate and she's quite a wildcat despite seeming conservative in public. Its full on bareback so quite lovely. 3000 R.
Then its the weekend with T and Du. There is something incredibly satisfying about shacking up with TWO Girls over the weekend. We just have the best time. Swimming. Eating. Drinking. Fucking. Its easy and companionable and just a fuckton of fun. And nothing can possibly top bareback with two lesbian lovers. This is the pinnacle of sexual decadence. 12000 R.
The next day I kick them out so I can sample another girl from the buffet. K. K is both a positive ad negative surprise. The negative is that she's def 20 pounds heavier than her pics. But the positive is that her face is gorgeous. I mean 9+ beautiful and you don't find many Mexican Girls in that lofty space.
We have a nice Italian dinner. Again not much english but somehow our conversation goes well. She has a great way of holding eye contact till you flinch. And man she's beautiful.
K has already agreed bareback and seems ready to get to the room. Her BJ is quite unusual because she uses a lot of hands. But her spit is really thick and slippery and it feels great. Eventually I unload a CIP in mish. Lovely. 3500 R.
And then my last day I spent one on one with T and its just great. We absolutely deepened our connection beyond sex to more BFGF. Getting some feels for that girl. And a final CIP in mish to end things on a high note. 4000 R (we agreed 3000 originally back in August but I gave her a bit more knowing her situation).
A few CDMX observations:
Weather is absolutely stunning this time of year. 70 and sunny every day!
Super target-rich Seeking Arrangement scene. More girls online to choose From than anywhere I've been.
Prices range from 3000 for a pretty non-pro to 5000-6000 for the prettiest and / or pro Girls.
Bareback is def on the table with the non pros. I find this worldwide with 21-26 year olds these days and Cdmx is no exception. Some ask for clean STD and vasectomy proof, which is fair.
For great steak Asado de Argentina. For lame steak Quebracho.
Super high end bars? King Cole and Carlota Reforma. I prefer the latter for the view.
Super high end restaurants? Tatsugoro and Ling Ling. I prefer the former for Amazing omakase and Ling Ling for overall best of the best. Vibe. View. Food. Possibly my favorite restaurant worldwide!
Club? Mr Bunny Zone Rosa. Completely off the hook pumping vibe. Even on Sunday. But don't go here to meet chicks. Its all couples and groups.
Steve 9696
03-05-26, 03:10
So after taking a day off from the girls and having a mediocre date with another girl, I reunited with T. D started her period and did not join. This turned out for the best because the entire vibe was different one on one with T. Total BFGF vibe.
She bops out of the Uber around 2 pm looking amazing in her signature torn jeans and sneakers. That ass is a work of art. She's just brought a small backpack because she's not staying over.
We head up to the room to drop her stuff and figure out a plan. Neither of us have had lunch so we start with that. We have some shockingly large and well priced chicken quesadillas and a couple beers. Even just a lunch I get that great GF vibe-- when they look at you a certain way and mean it. There is def shared affection here.
I decide to take her shopping at a higher end mall about 20 minutes walk. It's def a very "American format" mall with prices to match in all the standard western stores. But spots like Pull and Bear and similar have reasonably priced stuff.
I don't mind paying for things that are worth it but hate paying for things that are just a brand. Like $80 for a tiny Nike workout shirt. In Mexico! No thanks. Fortunately, as a poor girl, she is 💯 aligned on this. We get her some booty shorts and a top at Pull and Bear and then I do splurge to get her some Steve Madden sneakers she particularly loved. In a comedic revelation, I realize that of all the hundreds of shoes she could choose, she chose the same ones I bought for Shayla in LA. 😋I have a type I guess!
Throughout our walk to the mall and throughout shopping, T is either holding my arm or my hand. It starts to get a much more romantic vibe than the threesome. We stop at Starbucks on the way back to cool down and then head up to the room.
I've had soooo much sex the past few days I am not urgently horny so we flop on the bed to rest. We both fall asleep for bits and prob nap off and on for two hours. I guess we weren't fully recovered from Mr Bunny.
I love though the main course starts so slow and sexy. She's got her head on my shoulder and just starts rubbing my stomach, at first over my shirt and then under. And I am feeling her wondrously soft skin and massaging her butt a bit. It's a slow sexy build as I get hard and she starts massaging me over and then under my jeans.
Before long, the jeans and undies are on the floor and she's blowing me. I lean forward a bit and takeoff her shirt and bra and enjoy her tits while she blows me. And then all the clothes get shed and we are naked.
I am thinking of reciprocating with some oral and always start with tits. She's one of those girls whose tits are connected directly to her pussy. So as I work those hardening nipples with my mouth, she's cooing and moaning. After good bit I think I will get some DATY going. But she literally has my head in a death grip, clamped on her tit, wanting more tit work.
When I'm finally freed I am headed for DATY but she wants urgently to fuck. So I mount up in mish and sure enough that tit work has her wet for entry. I start fucking her at a moderate pace.
Well she is a bit more dominant on her own and she wants to be fucked hard and fast. So she is gripping my butt with her hands and driving me in and out at a much faster pace than I would naturally set. I oblige and start fucking her aggressively. Got to say I am super surprised when just maybe five minutes in, she starts gasping and clamping and has a strong O just from being fucked hard. Got to love that!
She's fucking spent so I do let her rest some but soon put her back on BJ. I've introduced her to harmonica which she is very good at. Good BLS also, so a nice BJ buffet.
But of course now I've got to fuck her. We start in bedside doggie and it's very good. But in this position I can go a very long time and do, as she clamps the sheets tightly. We flip over to the Steve for a bit but she's not as tight there so I move her up the bed into Mish.
We have amazing dick and pussy fit in mish so it feels heavenly. We do some kissing. And some eye gazing. I love the intimacy level we are now at. It's intoxicating. And so I continue to pump at a brisk pace knowing her predilection for same. And then that lovely slow build until a crashing five shot finish, my dick pumping hard against her pussy walls as her pussy clamps in return. So good.
I suppose that was the highlight of the night and maybe even the trip. But after we nap a bit more we head to an absolutely fabulous dinner at Asado de Argentina. Same waiter as August! The ribeye there and the table side Caesar preparation are amazing. Coupled with a nice Malbec, it is a truly lovely dinner.
Back in the room we both frankly too beat to fuck, so we watch Bridgerton, where other people fuck. 😝 It's a lovely cuddly end to the evening and off she goes in her Uber Def dig that sweetheart. And as Cdmx is a fab city with marvelous weather I am sure I will see her again!
Steve 9696
03-05-26, 04:56
All prices quoted below are Mexican pesos. Got Brazil on the brain!
Amazing reports steve also thanks for the money details, the economics of pussy sometimes interest me more than the pussy itself LMAO.
Hi Steve 9696,
Firstly, thanks for your reports and it does look like you are the only one hitting jackpot every time you use SA.
I must say your reports make you an enviably lucky bloke you are and I guess that is how it should be when one uses Seeking. Wink.
Steve 9696
03-09-26, 20:59
Hi Steve 9696,
Firstly, thanks for your reports and it does look like you are the only one hitting jackpot every time you use SA.
I must say your reports make you an enviably lucky bloke you are and I guess that is how it should be when one uses Seeking. Wink.Not sure if there was some sarcasm in that wink or not but I do think I prob have above average success. I attribute this primarily to my searching and vetting and chat process. It's a lot of work but it makes sure the girls you meet up with are 90% what you expect.
I have a slight advantage as well being a tall, slim, and not half bad looking gringo. But I think overall text vibe and charisma at the dinner table is prob more important than any of that.
That said I would not quite say jackpot. It's a bell curve with a strong right hand skew. My full cdmx roster and report card as follows:
2024 Nohemi (B-) Beautiful girl. Strong date. Weak BJ.
2025 Danna - (A+ then D) Our first visits were indeed the jackpot. Some of the best ever. A+. But then the revisit in August was a D. Lazy and entitled boo.
2025 T (B) - Nice GND. Sweet girl. Good in bed. Brought her friend D. Yay.
2026 Estefania (B) Truly great girl and perfect English but not 100% my physical type.
2026 T and D (A) Moved up from a B to an A. Had such a great time with them and T one on one.
2026 Mar (C) Pretty good sexually but kinda square bod and just a bit meh physically.
2026 Karol (B) Gorgeous face but heavier than pics. Solid sex. If she was built she'd be a keeper.
So not all jackpots. But you have to hit a B or a C to score an A. Very happy to have her right now.
Yes there was a bit of sarcasm, I must admit.
Be it physical or digital, a tool is only as good as its user.
So I guess it is probably your own charm is doing the trick, not necessarily Seeking that is working all the time giving the best at 100%.
Not sure if there was some sarcasm in that wink or not but I do think I prob have above average success. I attribute this primarily to my searching and vetting and chat process. It's a lot of work but it makes sure the girls you meet up with are 90% what you expect.
I have a slight advantage as well being a tall, slim, and not half bad looking gringo. But I think overall text vibe and charisma at the dinner table is prob more important than any of that.
That said I would not quite say jackpot. It's a bell curve with a strong right hand skew. My full cdmx roster and report card as follows:
2024 Nohemi (B-) Beautiful girl. Strong date. Weak BJ.
2025 Danna - (A+ then D) Our first visits were indeed the jackpot. Some of the best ever. A+. But then the revisit in August was a D. Lazy and entitled boo..
https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/1rvlxll/do_college_girls_still_do_this/
Was reading through this thread and it seems pretty bleak. What is the experience of guys here? Do you think bad economic prospects will make this activity more viable?
https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/1rvlxll/do_college_girls_still_do_this/
Was reading through this thread and it seems pretty bleak. What is the experience of guys here? Do you think bad economic prospects will make this activity more viable?Seems like the reddit thread is arguing that more girls are doing OF instead of sugaring. I think we've already hit peak OF. Maybe I'm in the wrong circles, but I don't know of anyone who pays for OF.
Even more threatening will be the rise of AI and AI girlfriends. I already see many videos of girls coming through my feeds which are very difficult to determine if they are real or not. What happens when you can just tell the AI to take off its clothes. Or do whatever you want. We just need uncensored AI. At that point, girls wil be competing with AI that has better bodies, don't sleep, don't eat, are completely subservient. The only advantage real girls will have will be their physical bodies. Maybe prostitution will finally be made legal again. But then the sex robots will come. And then they'll really be screwed.
Will be interesting to see where we are at in 5 years.
EuropeTime
03-19-26, 03:15
Are they still making customers verify themselves with a video on seeking?
Elvis 2008
03-19-26, 04:25
Will be interesting to see where we are at in 5 years.Seems like a good place for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU9Ymeovx1U
Bill Burr and why sex robots are going to take over.
VanessasClient
03-24-26, 03:33
Personally, I'm extremely reluctant to do travel arrangements these days, due to some shitty experiences I've went through. However, if you are going to do them, then here "Vanessa's Client Tricks of the trade. " This assumes you are going to a neutral destination. If you are flying to her, then it's a 1 way path. Same if she is coming to you. This is only for if you and she meet in a country, or far away city, to which neither of you are native.
1. Ask her about health conditions before booking. Things like epilepsy, food allergies, asthma, or the inability to swim can put a damper on things very quickly.
2. Make sure that her cell carrier will provide 4 G roaming coverage in other countries. Occasionally there are problems with SIM cards and international service. I had a girl who could only get wifi when outside of her country, and that turned into a nightmare. If she's too lazy to contact the carrier to find out, skip that girl and find another one.
3. If you are departing on the same day, never ever ever allow her itinerary to leave before yours. Why? Because if she decides to do something bad before the trip is over, then you're going to be stuck in a foreign country either trying to get past governmental officials on the way out, or chasing after someone who is already gone. If she steals something from you, damages the hotel room, makes a false accusation to law enforcement, starts a fight, sleeps past her flight time due to a hangover, or does any other stupid shit, guess who winds up waiting around the property for a ride to the airport? That's right, if she's already gone, then you are the one trying to clean up a huge mess, all while attempting to stuff your suitcase full of clothes so you don't miss your plane. Then hope you can explain the situation to the cops, the hotel front desk, the Uber driver or car rental agency, the airport staff, and anyone else who might get involved. And maybe you don't even speak the local language well, which just makes the situation worse. On the other hand, if your flight has already taken off, while she is out causing a mess, chances are the authorities in that country won't be coming after you unless the allegation is rather serious and convincing. If she deliberately misbehaved, then you can leave her to pay for her own flight back, all while she tries to blow up your phone with expletives before you block her.
4. Make sure she has a debit card. You can assure her you'll pay for everything, but if your flight is delayed or cancelled to the airlines, then she has to be self sufficient until you arrive.
5. If you can, always try to get refundable reservations. Not so easy with flights, but if the hotel does not require pay in full at the moment of booking, then I personally prefer either virtual credit numbers or burner cards from places like privacy.com If they initiate a prior auth, and the girl bails, you can often close the account and escape the charge. Same thing when booking tours.
6. Try and get an emergency contact for her in case something goes awry.
If I can think of more, I'll add them. Just trying to avoid various issues that have come up before, jaja.
Am I doing something wrong? What do I have to do to be able to search for Bali? Jakarta works but I can't seem to get Bali to come up when trying to search.
Steve 9696
03-27-26, 03:53
Am I doing something wrong? What do I have to do to be able to search for Bali? Jakarta works but I can't seem to get Bali to come up when trying to search.It's because Bali isn't a city. It's a province. Try cities. Like Denpasar.
Steve 9696
03-27-26, 20:06
My truly interesting experience with an international model. You cannot make this shit up.
To those that have read my adventures before, I suppose this overall qualifies as a fail or maybe a C-. But I truly enjoy slices of life. So even though (spoiler alert) the outcome was mediocre, she was a real stunner and I really enjoyed the overall experience and just how weird and unexpected it was.
I was traveling to a mid size southern city and looking for a new SB as the prior one had gotten heavy. All the girls there are fat or ugly or both so I didn't hold out much hope. But bam! Found a unicorn. A pretty and slim girl. Probably a catfish!
We got to chatting and she was chatty and friendly. Rainbow unicorn! I was def worried she was a catfish. But as we engaged deeper we set up a date and I said I could use CashApp to pay her PPM if that was ok. She was down and sent me her CashApp handle. She's def a newbie and I don't think she thought about the fact that this discloses her real name (or maybe she doesn't care). It's pretty unique so it wasn't hard to find her Instagram and light-stalk her.
Well, well, well. Her Insta easily confirms she lives where I am heading. But more surprisingly it shows that she's a legit model having done both print modeling and runway in Europe and Australia! WTF! And living in this mediocre non descript southern city (turns out she was born there model looks don't discriminate by zip code).
I am excited to meet her, but the chat on the plane gets a little weird (yay WiFi on planes! She says she's been horny and can't wait (most girls esp pretty ones aren't this forward in chat) and then pretty much asks for a dick pic! I tell her she'll have to wait 24 hours and see in person. She says at least tell me what you're going to do to me. So I do, but keeping it a bit respectful and then I receive the following message verbatim. It's so weird and off putting that I'm going to paste it here:
I have a set of rules for this:
1. no lights. Our senses will be heightened due to little to no sight.
2. I prefer both slow and fast sex, I love to start off slow and but then lead to rough, hard, and loud sex.
3. I'm at the end of my cycle, therefore I don't care if you don't perform oral on me. But please know that I don't give oral unless I feel like it. It's a turn off when I'm asked.
4. I will be bringing my vibrator. I prefer you let me use it on myself while you're inside me.
5. you must wear a condom at all times, I am 100% pro choice for myself and I'm on birth control. Absolutely no finishing inside me.
So after all the nice light chat and flirt I've been read the riot act! If that isn't offputting I don't know what is. But those that know me, know I enjoy life experiences as much as sex so I just roll with the punches and keep playing along to see how this will play out. I tell her I adore BJ but don't enjoy a condom BJ and have a clean STD and vasectomy. Which she hearts. (Surprisingly) And says we will have so much fun. Ok. Let's keep it going and see how this plays out.
I have a team dinner so it's only going to be drinks and room with her. We'the previously agreed 400. I pick a vibey place for drinks and she says she goes there often. She shows and DAMN she's exactly like her pictures. 5-10. Rail slim but with a nice little booty and a beautiful face and cascades of wavy hair. No catfish!
I don't think too much of the fact that I chose one of her favorite watering holes, but in retrospect it's kinda a duh move because most girls don't want to be seen with a man three times there age (yep, not twice! And sure enough this leads to an awkward exchange when I bring her drink and sit next to her on the couch like you would on a date. She asks me to not sit so close as she might see someone she knows! Wtf. That's a bit of a mood dampener. Hahaha.
Things start a bit slow and awkward but she's a bartender with a high drink tolerance and we are both having a few. So the conversation flows and we are both enjoying the vibe. But more awkwardness ensues when she points to my ring and says "I see you are married". I never try to hide this and so explain my situation.
She says well that bothers her and that's not a border she's crossed before, "so the allowance will have to be higher" Hahaha. She wants more $$ because I am married. I am not amused and assume this date is headed for a crash and burn.
I say ok. Well I guess we aren't going to leave together but that's ok we can just chat a bit more and enjoy our drinks. Eventually she asks how much I've ever paid on Seeking and I tell her I have a moral boundary where I never pay above 500. And then only in LA or Vegas. And of course we are not there.
She says "ok we can do 500". I prob shoulda just shut this down but I am socially lubricated and return her bluntness and say "well to be totally honest it bothers me that you would cross a moral boundary for $100" LOL. She seems unfazed and just shrugs.
We talk more about various things and she says she needs to move to LA to get more gigs and wants to save $8000 before she moves and that's why she went on Seeking. But she's already off because it was scams and douchebags. And no lie. Her account disappeared last week.
So chatting a little more I say (and I really think this way). "I really don't like to be transactional. But I respect the fact that your saving up for LA and I want to help you. So I'the give you 500 towards that. " And suddenly it's on again!
So we bop back to the Hyatt where all my colleagues have gone to bed by now so we have a couple glasses of wine at the lobby bar. She works in a wine shop so she has way better knowledge than me. I am impressed that she knows the different vintners and subtleties on the winelist and we compare tasting notes over a few glasses (Again not your average Seeking girl).
Properly socialized we head up to the room. And sure enough she turns off the lights, but we have ambient light from the bathroom. We start making out and it's really nice. Good kisses. No complaints and she's got a nice ass to squeeze for a 5-10 rail thin model.
Before long we break from the kiss a bit and remember how she said she was bringing her vibrator? I expect a little rechargeable bullet but she breaks out this giant plugin massager and plugs it in and chucks it on the bed!
When I return from a quick pee she's naked on her back with legs spread and vibing her pussy with the monster! Alrightly then time to get in on the action. I get my clothes off and start making out with and sucking her tits. She is totally getting off on getting doubling up like that and she has some super fine firm be cups.
Meanwhile I've moved my left hand down to her pussy and softly touching her opening as it gets wet. But before long I have one finger in doing gspot. And as she expands I have two fingers in, giving her a good finger fucking, while continuing to work her tits with mouth and the other hand.
Her pussy feels 100% goddamn amazing, so I am really enjoying that and hard as a brick now and have completely forgotten her other rules. So I move around between her legs and put my rock hard cock in the space between the vibrator and her thigh and start some light thrusting. The vibrator feels damn good. But it's prob only 30 seconds of that before I slide in bareback! Wtf happened to all those condom rules?
Well the bareback fucking is great in mish but the big vibrator head means I have to stay arms extended which gets tiring after a while. So I pull her down into the Steve at the end of the bed and reinsert while standing. This is great and I pound away.
She is really enjoying it. So much so that I think the vibrator is getting distracting and she abandons it for pure fucking. So I keep pumping away and she is def getting off. As I tire from my copious pumping I flop on my back for either BJ or cowgirl and she opts for the latter. She mounts up and has a great pussy so I let her do her thing.
Now at this point you are thinking home run A+. He's fucking a model who's a sommelier and she's lost her condom fetish and he's railing her bareback. How is this a C- This is top stuff! And you are right but.
That's where it goes downhill. She says she has to pee and returns saying she's bleeding and has cramps (true enough some blood on the bed) and can't continue. So I am dick in hand after all that. I prob should jacked off on her but she was feeling really poorly and I drove her home. Boo!
We planned to meetup two days later but then she texted saying she had a yeast infection and didn't really want to go to the hotel so could she just give me a BJ in the car! So that was pretty lame. I knew we'the get into a big discussion where she would say she stills wants 400-500 and I'm not doing that, so I just told her I'the see her next time.
And this is how fucking an international model and sommelier bareback becomes a C- But what a fascinating slice of life. I'the def do it all over again!
My truly interesting experience with an international model. You cannot make this shit up. To those that have read my adventures before, I suppose this overall qualifies as a fail or maybe a C-. But I truly enjoy slices of life. So even though (spoiler alert) the outcome was mediocre, she was a real stunner and I really enjoyed the overall experience and just how weird and unexpected it was. And this is how fucking an international model and sommelier bareback becomes a C-. But what a fascinating slice of life. I would def do it all over again!That was indeed a weird encounter Steve. I like how you told it! I also like how you had the cajones to take her back to the hotel where your colleagues were also staying. I mean, there was a chance someone might have still been up. What would you have said if seen with her? That reminds me of a time years ago when I was in Las Vegas with several from the office for a conference, and I called a tute to my room during prime time hours LOL! At that particular hotel, guests couldn't just jump on the elevator and come up to your room. You had to go downstairs to the elevator bank and get them. I was young and dumb maybe, but if anybody saw me with her, I was going to say that it was an old grad school friend living in Vegas who stopped by to see me. At that time, I was still young enough that I could have easily pulled that one off. Anyway, nobody did see us together, and it worked out just fine. The name of the hotel was the Rio Suites Hotel & Casino. I had no idea then what that name portended for my future many years later.
Very impressive story Steve, I bet better see-king pay some tribute to you on their homepage for all the good deeds (even if that is a C) that is coming your way for just $500! Wink.
My truly interesting experience with an international model. You cannot make this shit up.
To those that have read my adventures before, I suppose this overall qualifies as a fail or maybe a C-. But I truly enjoy slices of life. So even though (spoiler alert) the outcome was mediocre, she was a real stunner and I really enjoyed the overall experience and just how weird and unexpected it was.
I was traveling to a mid size southern city and looking for a new SB as the prior one had gotten heavy. All the girls there are fat or ugly or both so I didn't hold out much hope. But bam! Found a unicorn. A pretty and slim girl. Probably a catfish!
We got to chatting and she was chatty and friendly. Rainbow unicorn! I was def worried she was a catfish. But as we engaged deeper we set up a date and I said I could use CashApp to pay her PPM if that was ok. She was down and sent me her CashApp handle. She's def a newbie and I don't think she thought about the fact that this discloses her real name (or maybe she doesn't care). It's pretty unique so it wasn't hard to find her Instagram and light-stalk her...
Steve 9696
04-01-26, 20:48
Very impressive story Steve, I bet better see-king pay some tribute to you on their homepage for all the good deeds (even if that is a C) that is coming your way for just $500! Wink.Dude you crack me up with your suspicious wink wink comments. Do you think I'm making this shit up? No way I am that creative. I could be the next Danielle Steele if I could! 😝.
Dude you crack me up with your suspicious wink wink comments. Do you think I'm making this shit up? No way I am that creative. I could be the next Danielle Steele if I could! 😝.One lesson I have learned over the years is that truth absolutely can be stranger than fiction!
Steve 9696
04-03-26, 21:38
One lesson I have learned over the years is that truth absolutely can be stranger than fiction!In the truth is stranger than fiction category I submit this from 2024. No way I could make this shit up. Waaaay more bizarre and surprising than anything I could conjure up! Enjoy!
Amazing Civvie Pickup.
So technically this doesn't belong here because it's not Seeking but you guys are my buds and think you will enjoy this unlikely encounter. Slamming a 9 from bar pickup. First girl I ever picked up in a bar! Believe it or not. And soooo unlikely me in my late fifties and uncompensated fucking from a 23 year old nine! Read on.
So it wasn't on my agenda because so unlikely but I slammed a civvie 9 last night via bar pickup. I saw a shitty Russian escort earlier in the night and was nursing my wounds by drinking heavily and socializing. As I drink I lose my approach anxiety and will chat up strangers. Generally guys. Just friendly stuff. New friends everywhere.
After bouncing to different bars with different closing times I end up at this odd bar that closes late but has more an ice cream shop vibe bright lighting and cafe tables. There are several groups of mixed guys and girls there. I chat with one guy but I think he thinks I'm trying to pick him up and it fades quickly. LOL.
Most of the groups are large which makes approach harder. So I am just nursing my G&T and figuring if I want to engage. There is a mega hottie sitting by herself just on her phone and apparently very unapproachable. Certainly off limits to a guy in his late fifties. So I just continue to hang out and enjoy the social observation.
But after hanging out for about a half an hour, I am looking over in this girls direction and she looks up from her phone and we lock eyes. Having drank quite a bit I'm very loose so instantly I slide over to her table and start chatting with her. Theres no chair, so I'm squatting down and just starting a great conversation.
She's from Guatemala and she is an interior design student studying for her masters degree. She speaks amazing English and we just get on like a House on fire. Honestly, I'm not even thinking about bedding her. She's just a sweet girl and we're having a great conversation.
After quite some time, it's about 215 or 220 in the morning and they are kicking us out because they close at two. I lightly mentioned maybe we should go to her place but she deflects that so we head to another bar that's open a little bit later and I can't even recall if we had more drinks or what we did, she's really lit to the point of almost stumbling and so really my mission at this point it's just taking care of her and make sure she gets home safe.
As the new bar is also now closing, I can't member if I suggest it or it's just her idea but she starts dragging me by the hand to her place. Like I say, she's really quite drunk and I'm really not sure she even knows where her place is. She's dragging me down all these streets, but eventually we arrive at a tall black gated apartment house.
We come into a very nice large lobby, and we take a right, and go into what is apparently her apartment. There are some stairs down at the marble entryway. This part is really comedic. We start to make out and generally disrobe, and it doesn't occur to me why but the lights keep going out automatically and I'm having to press the button on the wall to turn them back on, she's completely naked and I'm fingering her and eating her out. And that sounds like normal stuff but it turns out we're not actually in her apartment! We are actually in the foyer that has two or three other apartments coming off of it. So here we are 3 o'clock in the morning half to completely naked passionately getting it on in the foyer to the apartment building.
I only figure this out later, because it's really kind of difficult to fuck on the marble stairs, and so we moved to her apartment, and I suddenly realized that we've been in the public foyer the whole time. LOL.
Once inside, The sex is wild and bareback and passionate, and she is one horny beast. I couldn't cum to save my life. I'm so drunk so we had to be fucking for probably a solid two hours and she is not quitting, and eventually collapse and fall asleep.
Now, if the lobby fucking wasn't comedic enough, there's more to come. I have a meeting at 9 o'clock and I wake up at 6:30. Having gone to sleep at 5:30 I think holy fuck I need to get out of here and get to my meeting. Both my work phone and my home phone are dead in my pockets of my pants so I can't call an Uber. Adding more fun to the problem, as I go to exit, I find that the lobby door is in fact locked and I can't get out!
So I go back in and get her keys and unlock the lobby door so I can get out and return the keys to her apartment. She still sleeps on blissfully but as I exit I get the big black gate and it's locked! Also there is absolutely no way to open it. There's not a button or anything so I end up climbing over the gate and jumping down into the street nearly breaking an ankle.
After that, I wander about wondering what I'm going to do about no Uber but fortunately in two or three blocks, I find a cab and returned my hotel getting one hour more sleep, and making my 9 o'clock meeting on time!
I'm not sure I could've had a bigger adventure and who would've thought I picked up my first civvie date from bar pick up in my late 50's. What and unexpected turn of events and a fuck ton of fun.
"A top counterterrorism official in the Trump admin is under investigation. For seeking out sugar daddies. She allegedly had a profile on sugar daddy site Seeking under the name "Alessia," and claimed her jewelry was "trophies from sugar daddies" who also paid for her education. " https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15742123/dhs-julia-varvaro-sugar-daddy-scandal.html.
LOL, this is wild.
Maybe the West should stop being so hypocritically puritanical when it comes to the transactional nature of sexual relations?
"A top counterterrorism official in the Trump admin is under investigation. For seeking out sugar daddies. She allegedly had a profile on sugar daddy site Seeking under the name "Alessia," and claimed her jewelry was "trophies from sugar daddies" who also paid for her education. " https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15742123/dhs-julia-varvaro-sugar-daddy-scandal.html.
LOL, this is wild.
Maybe the West should stop being so hypocritically puritanical when it comes to the transactional nature of sexual relations?Check this out. Lots of details!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-donald-trump-terror-official-julia-varvaro-exposed-on-sugar-daddy-site/
In the truth is stranger than fiction category I submit this from 2024. No way I could make this shit up. Waaaay more bizarre and surprising than anything I could conjure up! Enjoy!
Amazing Civvie Pickup.
So technically this doesn't belong here because it's not Seeking but you guys are my buds and think you will enjoy this unlikely encounter. Slamming a 9 from bar pickup. First girl I ever picked up in a bar! Believe it or not. And soooo unlikely me in my late fifties and uncompensated fucking from a 23 year old nine! Read on.
So it wasn't on my agenda because so unlikely but I slammed a civvie 9 last night via bar pickup. I saw a shitty Russian escort earlier in the night and was nursing my wounds by drinking heavily and socializing. As I drink I lose my approach anxiety and will chat up strangers. Generally guys. Just friendly stuff. New friends everywhere.
After bouncing to different bars with different closing times I end up at this odd bar that closes late but has more an ice cream shop vibe bright lighting and cafe tables. There are several groups of mixed guys and girls there. I chat with one guy but I think he thinks I'm trying to pick him up and it fades quickly. LOL.
Most of the groups are large which makes approach harder. So I am just nursing my G&T and figuring if I want to engage. There is a mega hottie sitting by herself just on her phone and apparently very unapproachable. Certainly off limits to a guy in his late fifties. So I just continue to hang out and enjoy the social observation.
But after hanging out for about a half an hour, I am looking over in this girls direction and she looks up from her phone and we lock eyes. Having drank quite a bit I'm very loose so instantly I slide over to her table and start chatting with her. Theres no chair, so I'm squatting down and just starting a great conversation.
She's from Guatemala and she is an interior design student studying for her masters degree. She speaks amazing English and we just get on like a House on fire. Honestly, I'm not even thinking about bedding her. She's just a sweet girl and we're having a great conversation.
After quite some time, it's about 215 or 220 in the morning and they are kicking us out because they close at two. I lightly mentioned maybe we should go to her place but she deflects that so we head to another bar that's open a little bit later and I can't even recall if we had more drinks or what we did, she's really lit to the point of almost stumbling and so really my mission at this point it's just taking care of her and make sure she gets home safe.
As the new bar is also now closing, I can't member if I suggest it or it's just her idea but she starts dragging me by the hand to her place. Like I say, she's really quite drunk and I'm really not sure she even knows where her place is. She's dragging me down all these streets, but eventually we arrive at a tall black gated apartment house.
We come into a very nice large lobby, and we take a right, and go into what is apparently her apartment. There are some stairs down at the marble entryway. This part is really comedic. We start to make out and generally disrobe, and it doesn't occur to me why but the lights keep going out automatically and I'm having to press the button on the wall to turn them back on, she's completely naked and I'm fingering her and eating her out. And that sounds like normal stuff but it turns out we're not actually in her apartment! We are actually in the foyer that has two or three other apartments coming off of it. So here we are 3 o'clock in the morning half to completely naked passionately getting it on in the foyer to the apartment building.
I only figure this out later, because it's really kind of difficult to fuck on the marble stairs, and so we moved to her apartment, and I suddenly realized that we've been in the public foyer the whole time. LOL.
Once inside, The sex is wild and bareback and passionate, and she is one horny beast. I couldn't cum to save my life. I'm so drunk so we had to be fucking for probably a solid two hours and she is not quitting, and eventually collapse and fall asleep.
Now, if the lobby fucking wasn't comedic enough, there's more to come. I have a meeting at 9 o'clock and I wake up at 6:30. Having gone to sleep at 5:30 I think holy fuck I need to get out of here and get to my meeting. Both my work phone and my home phone are dead in my pockets of my pants so I can't call an Uber. Adding more fun to the problem, as I go to exit, I find that the lobby door is in fact locked and I can't get out!
So I go back in and get her keys and unlock the lobby door so I can get out and return the keys to her apartment. She still sleeps on blissfully but as I exit I get the big black gate and it's locked! Also there is absolutely no way to open it. There's not a button or anything so I end up climbing over the gate and jumping down into the street nearly breaking an ankle.
After that, I wander about wondering what I'm going to do about no Uber but fortunately in two or three blocks, I find a cab and returned my hotel getting one hour more sleep, and making my 9 o'clock meeting on time!
I'm not sure I could've had a bigger adventure and who would've thought I picked up my first civvie date from bar pick up in my late 50's. What and unexpected turn of events and a fuck ton of fun.That my friend, is awesome. I'm 60 years old myself and hearing adventures like this keeps me in the game!
Stirling.
LOL. You may consider this jealousy bastard envious of all your achievements.
What surprises me is, after reading numerous posts here for over 6 months or so none of your Seeking encounters has ever failed you even once?
You must be one hell of a lucky guy!
Dude you crack me up with your suspicious wink wink comments. Do you think I'm making this shit up? No way I am that creative. I could be the next Danielle Steele if I could!.
Steve 9696
05-08-26, 01:31
LOL. You may consider this jealousy bastard envious of all your achievements.
What surprises me is, after reading numerous posts here for over 6 months or so none of your Seeking encounters has ever failed you even once?
You must be one hell of a lucky guy!I am in fact a very fortunate guy. But I don't think it's luck in this case. It's a matter of finding the pattern that works and having confidence in the outcome.
If you define a "failure to have sex" as the measure of failure then yes it's been a few years. 2021 was the last time (I looked it up). But it's not luck. It's knowing what works. I had several fails when I started Seeking in 2018. So I analyzed what works and what does not (for me). And what I found is that the lunch or coffee date does not work. I have to take them from dinner to the bedroom that first night, when the momentum from a great evening keeps the party going. I also don't date girls over 26. Nothing to do with older don't look as good or something. Rather I found that my fails were with women in their early thirties. Early twenties girls were much less inhibited and casual sex on the first date clearly a common thing.
The other contributing factor is charisma and confidence. I am 100%!confident that if we vibe by text we will be going to bed together. And women love confidence. The Japanese Nampa guys call this "abundance mindset" when you are bedding girls right and left you have amazing confidence. And it's a self reinforcing loop because women feed off this.
So no. I don't really fail once they agree to the price and the date. Lucky? Probably. But more so, skilled at this game from practice, and completely confident in the outcome.
Oh wait. I did have a run of bad luck in Dallas in 2024. One we vibes super hard and when I got to the restaurant she texted and said her mom needs her meds and could I pay or she cant come (total scam - frustrating!) Fortunately I had a fattie on the back burner and since I was already out rang her up and were fucking an hour later. (Fat girls DO give great head!). Also had one in Dallas that same visit who looked an 8 in her pics and was more a 6. Fucked her anyhow. Hate to go home dick in hand! 😂
But those fails were offset by a mega win in Lilly. She became a serious crush in 2024 and we spent several days together both in dallas and vegas. What a gem.
SwashBuckler77
05-08-26, 16:07
Last fall I spent a few weeks in SE Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines) having never been before. Having spent a fair amount of time in the Americas and Europe, SE Asia stands out as *very* different culturally. Perhaps some of the most amazing food I've ever had. And yet, pretty weak for sugar dating. Lessons learned. Asia is for tourism.Very interesting read and many thanks for sharing your experiences. I have had an opposite end of the spectrum view of SE Asia. How do you specifically define "Sugar Relationships"? Saying that it sucks is pretty bold. Well I guess it does / did suck for you so it is for sure valid. I am a repeat visitor to SE Asia for 1 simple reason, the companionshiop, dating, intimacy is in abundance and the price point is riduculously low when compared to western price points.
SE Asians tend to initiate intimacy, provide unprompted GFE during first encounter, super attentive / responsive, stay in their place, keep their mouth shut. Etc. Their very culture is about zero friction. IME Thailand in particular, you don't even need Seeking since the very nature / culture of dating and the enormous income disparity makes that platform less than ideal. They call in Sponsorhip in Thailand and the shit is so common, it is the norm. No need to call it out.
It sounds like your requirements match much better with Europe / Latin America over SE Asia. SE Asia has been so good to me, it is hard for me to even make trips to other locations. Some things that heavily influence my direction:
I no longer need to have a 9/10 in looks to get me going. I actually prefer a GND that initiates and that is super into me. I am married to 9/10 (27 years) that has zero sex drive so maybe I am traumatized. I no longer need giganitc ass / titties to get me going. I have very specific and simple requirements: have a pleasant disposition, be in good shape, actively initiate intimacy, cook / clean and take care of me when I am sick, and let me go and come as I please with minimum lip. All of that for a reasonable price point. Honestly, most SE Asians just want the simple things in life to be content. I no longer have a need to be exclusive.
Now I am in no way saying SE Asians have the look or feel of latinas but once you start exploring all over, the body types and physcial looks are extremely diverse. There are plenty that have the look of some latinas. Compound that with their otherwordly obsession with pleasing their mate sexually (LBFM) and their general disposition towards service. Especially when you focus on the ones that are still farming or out in the Bush!
Elvis 2008
05-08-26, 22:16
Very interesting read and many thanks for sharing your experiences. I have had an opposite end of the spectrum view of SE Asia. How do you specifically define "Sugar Relationships"? Saying that it sucks is pretty bold. Well I guess it does / did suck for you so it is for sure valid. I am a repeat visitor to SE Asia for 1 simple reason, the companionshiop, dating, intimacy is in abundance and the price point is riduculously low when compared to western price points.Well, that is how it used to be for sure, but Asia has caught the feminist bug. See the link for South Korea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCN-dd5J1lE
The 4 B movement stands for no sex, no dating, no marriage, no child birth.
Then you have this from Japan: The National Institute of Population and Social Security Research quizzed more than 5,000 single people aged 18 to 34 about their lives between the sheets. It found that 42 percent of men and 44 percent of women had never had sex.
I was last in Asia decades earlier and from a street's eye view, I found most Asian women unattractive back then. Even the older women looked like children to me. Thing is this time there were even fewer attractive women. To be sure, the genetic makeup of women in the Philippines and Indonesia are different than the countries I visited recently.
I no longer need to have a 9/10 in looks to get me going. I actually prefer a GND that initiates and that is super into me. I am married to 9/10 (27 years) that has zero sex drive so maybe I am traumatized. I no longer need giganitc ass / titties to get me going.Unless you are going to live abroad and live on retirement income or in most cases paltry wages if you are working, and you do not get a 9-10 type in bed and a 9-10 type in looks, what is the point of going abroad? I can have sex in the USA for a reasonable price if I am willing to downshift to average women.
It sounds like your requirements match much better with Europe / Latin America over SE Asia. SE Asia has been so good to me, it is hard for me to even make trips to other locations.So living there makes no sense unless you are retired but to get the traditional versus feminist women, you have to give up quality of life and go to the poorer nations like Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam, and even these countries are no longer cheap like they were. The only nation where everyone said everything was cheap was China. Things are nowhere near as cheap as when I was there before.
The dream trip of my gal's daughter was to go to South Korea. My gal and her daughter are Colombian, and the daughter has drooled over the Kpop group BTS and marveled at the girls from Blackpink. After her having been there, her take was the South Korean girls are ugly.
The paradox of South Korea was how they had these fantastic beauty stores named Olive Young on every corner. The makeup was of super high quality and cheap to boot I was told. Well, if the women are in the 4 B movement, I have to ask, who are the beauty products for then? Older women? The women themselves?
The irony is that when I did see an attractive woman in Korea, unlike in other parts of the world, they held my gaze. In fact, that is what I have noticed about the Korean entertainment that I have watched. There is no mincing words that a man needs money before even considering marriage. So maybe what the makeup or 4 B movement is really about is getting men with more money. American women have the rule of 6's: six figure income, six pack abs, and / or over six feet tall. That is less than 1% of men in the USA but 100% of American women think they deserve a man with all the 6's.
Thing is with the declining birth rates in much of the Far East and Korea dominating the entertainment world there, the rise of American style feminism is inevitable. On the show Love is Blind in Japan, one woman dumped her fiancee when she learned he was poorer than what he led on. Another woman was more harsh than any Western woman in saying she did not like how her financee looked, and she dragged him into the gym. To his credit, he did so and did get married, but she was more openly aggressive and demanding than any American woman I can recall.
Thing is if you look at demographics and can track how many young people there are, you can get a feel for the places that are good and will stay good. In Asia, those are nations with a large Muslim population (India, Pakistan, Indonesia, and Iran). If Europe is good, it is not because of the young people born there; it is because of the massive immigration. Spain is great because it let in so many people from the Latin American nations, and Eastern Europe may be okay to good for now but not for much longer.
I would say Latin America has 10 good years left for the richer countries and 20 for the poorer ones except because of the Mercosur agreement, the people living in poorer nations like Paraguay and Bolivia can work in the richer countries. So I would say they have 15 good years left as birth rates are declining even in these Catholic nations. Twenty years ago, the Ex-pats in Argentina were bragging about the Paraguayans being the best, and given how much younger Paraguay is and was, I could see why.
The ONLY continent with an expanding population of young people right now is Africa. If you find black women attractive, there are scores of beauties in the Northeastern nations surrounding Kenya. Again, you are going to have to take a dip in lifestyle if you want to live there though.
The irony is outside of the dip with the Arab spring, the northern more Caucasian African nations have had an expanding supply of births as well, but they are Muslim too.
So if you want the 9-10 types with regards to attitude, looks, and sexual skills you can get by with a Latina or maybe an Eastern European woman especially if you are okay with women in their 30's for now. But ten or twenty years from now, my bet is that you are going to have to go black or Muslim.
The irony is not lost on me then that the religions that supposedly oppress women like Muslims and Mormons do are the ones winning the population battle.
SwashBuckler77
05-10-26, 13:38
Well, that is how it used to be for sure.....I hear you, mate. Everyone's personal experiences shape their perspective. Since 2023, I travel to SE Asia 4 times a year and spend 30 days each time. I have in no way encountered a hint of feminism. 99% of the time, the lady I am chilling with is cleaning my airbnb / hotel room, cooking for me, giving me unprompted massages, clipping my toenails and such. I actually experience the opposite of feminism. As long as I take care of the finances and lead, SE Asia ladies take care of everything else.
I don't consider Korea / Japan / China SE Asia and I have never had any relations in those countries so I have zero experience in that arena. I lived in Korea for 2 years as a young man (way before I was even remotely mongering) and I didn't fancy the look or body type of 80% of the women there. So I never went back.
The point of going abroad. For SE Asia, the otherwordly service culture in every way for starters. Having attractive 20-somethings actively trying to extract your semen on a daily basis is strange but also very welcome! To put it simply, I go abroad because I can easily get GFE from an attractive SE Asian woman that is aiming to please and be a steady presence in my life. Even from casual encounters, these same ladies are texting / calling everyday just to check on me and see if I want them to come over. I once got sick and had to stay in my hotel for a couple of days, I had different casual ladies bringing me food and checking on me. These ladies didn't know me from Adam. We had a couple of "dates" and were not exclusive, they were just checking on their client. So yea, in the west, I have never experienced any of this unless it was in a committed relationship.
Quality of Life and Value. Yes, I can see QoL not being the same as a western modern city in every single way. There will be some tradeoffs in some QoL areas. I concede that point, however, those tradeoffs are worth it if you value different QoL elements. For the places that I travel to, QoL for the elements that I care most about is enhanced. So for me, I get enhanced QoL for 50% of the cost. It is really an easy choice for someone in my situation.
And really the final blow for me. You don't need an explicit Seeking Arrangement discussion or negotiation. It is simply organic in the culture of relationships in SE Asia. As soon as I initiate any conversation, the lady knows from the beginning I want to sleep with her and if it is good, possiby multiple times. I know if it is good and I want repeat services, I will compensate her PPM or on retainer. I can get $100 USD PPM that can easily transition to a well kept exclusive girlfriend for $800 USD / mo (no more PPM as many visits as I want). These are rough lived experience numbers. Pricing can go lower or way higher depending on the lady and her current earning potential.
At Elvis- with all due respect this is coming from someone younger and probably less experienced than you but I think you will agree to this statement. Don't take women seriously.
This goes to their political ideologies to travel ambitions to the type of guy they want or even their entire belief system. Whenever a woman says something I just add "I think" to the start and "right now" to the end. Women are silly women are cute, it's great fucking a feminist and making her worship cock albeit for a little while before she gets starved for dick again and goes off men everything women do is just a phase and they can be snapped out of it. All the height and money requirements go out of the window when they get horny and have sex with an average joe from the bar.
At steve- I respect the game, I rotate between organic seduction and p4 p. I tried to dip my toes in sugaring in warsaw last month a decent looking girl (at least in photos) was down for 500 Euros but I was getting normal sex from mids 5-6 (one 7) and decent p4 p options were there for 100 Euros (quantity is a quality of it's own LOL), so didn't indulge. From my RTFF I have come to the conclusion anything more than 30% of 1 room city center rent for European cities is excessive for warsaw effectively 300-350 Euros or so.
Has anyone had success with SA in Indonesia? Any advice or info on going rates? I think I have read that someone has posted better off bringing someone from Jakarta to Bali LOL.
VanessasClient
05-14-26, 04:33
At Elvis- with all due respect this is coming from someone younger and probably less experienced than you but I think you will agree to this statement. Don't take women seriously.
This goes to their political ideologies to travel ambitions to the type of guy they want or even their entire belief system. Whenever a woman says something I just add "I think" to the start and "right now" to the end. Women are silly women are cute, it's great fucking a feminist and making her worship cock albeit for a little while before she gets starved for dick again and goes off men everything women do is just a phase and they can be snapped out of it. All the height and money requirements go out of the window when they get horny and have sex with an average joe from the bar.
At steve- I respect the game, I rotate between organic seduction and p4 p. I tried to dip my toes in sugaring in warsaw last month a decent looking girl (at least in photos) was down for 500 Euros but I was getting normal sex from mids 5-6 (one 7) and decent p4 p options were there for 100 Euros (quantity is a quality of it's own LOL), so didn't indulge. From my RTFF I have come to the conclusion anything more than 30% of 1 room city center rent for European cities is excessive for warsaw effectively 300-350 Euros or so.Compared to men, I cannot tell you how many times I have seen women change their minds in a split second. Also, they tend to keep their commitments far less often. Furthermore, they never seem to face any repercussions for engaging in this fickle behavior.
Steve 9696
05-14-26, 11:39
I once had it explained as below and it was like an epiphany. Soooo spot on. Explains everything.
Men make decisions based on facts. Facts don't change. Women make decisions based on emotions, which fluctuate and change, often daily.
So men look at women as behaving irrationally because facts don't change but their decisions do. It's not that they are irrational. It's just that they use a different decision scale daily or hourly. And we can't fathom that!
Elvis 2008
05-14-26, 14:11
At Elvis- with all due respect this is coming from someone younger and probably less experienced than you but I think you will agree to this statement. Don't take women seriously.I think you mean this statement with regards to female hypocrisy. I had a SB tell me that if her BF cheated on her, she would cut his dick off, and she was startled when I laughed. She asked what was so funny, and I told her we just had sex. IOW, if you are really so outraged about cheating, why are you fucking me? And I was married at the time.
That is not what concerned me with feminism on this topic. For me, feminism is women wanting more while giving less. In some ways, it is women having fewer children so they do not have to compete with younger women. In the USA, I did not have a problem finding beautiful women who were good in bed for a reasonable price. Thing people do not get about real sugar babies versus hookers is that the women are picking out the same qualities in a SD that they would for a husband. When I first started doing the SD thing, I could not believe these women were really interested in me, but a few let me know that being more serious and marriage were on the table.
Thing is that is when I started looking at their character and asking what they bring to the table. There was very little compared to what I was bringing. I was already getting sex and companionship. What more was I going to get? The average American SB back rub I got was 10 minutes if she even did a massage. The first time I was in South America was in Argentina in 2004, and the woman was a stripper I took out of the club. She massaged ever inch of my body for 2 hours, and I paid her $100 for the whole night, and she was a stunner and great in bed. And the SB market was even a huge step up from that. That is what I mean by the difference in culture. The countries where feminism rules breeds women to be more and more entitled and makes it less fertile ground for finding a good SB. That modern feminism is bullshit and hurts both sexes is IMO settled. Women with Western values are much less likely to be happy because they feel so entitled.
If you are younger, you may not have known that the hype on Japan ruling the world in the 1980's was as loud as the hype on China today, but it was not just economic. The narrative being pushed were Asian women were these docile, humble, loyal, hard working, sacrificing women compared to their Western counterparts. If you are interested in seeing why that was, check out the original Shogun mini series done in the 1980's. It is very entertaining and was a huge hit. The loyal and self sacrificing Asian woman seen in the entertainment world back then was almost always dressed in Japanese clothing. That kind of woman appears to be dead and gone in the wealthier Asian nations.
I am happy that Swashbuckler has found women with those qualities. I really am. I found the same in Colombia, and I know now that you give up some quality of life issues when you stay in 3rd world countries, and he agreed. The last time I was in Colombia the AC unit was not working and I was miserable. When in the USA, that is something that I can get fixed in a day or so. In Colombia, they say they will repair the AC in a week and that usually means 2 weeks. So while the women in 3rd world nations can be much better, there are some trade offs.
Elvis 2008
05-15-26, 15:09
I hear you, mate. Everyone's personal experiences shape their perspective. Since 2023, I travel to SE Asia 4 times a year and spend 30 days each time. I have in no way encountered a hint of feminism. 99% of the time, the lady I am chilling with is cleaning my airbnb / hotel room, cooking for me, giving me unprompted massages, clipping my toenails and such. I actually experience the opposite of feminism. As long as I take care of the finances and lead, SE Asia ladies take care of everything else.I found many of the women in Colombia and Mexico to be much the same though Mexico is getting more Westernized. In fact, once I had a Mexican maid. Man, she was a fucking machine. I never had a maid work as hard as her. Even when she finished eight hours of work, she went to the gym. She then showed me this pic of a hottie and told me that photo was of her. She was actually a dancer at the club Coco Boingo in Mexico. She worked for the wife of a friend and the wife said that the maid made "all of us (American women) look bad. " Thing is my friend busted his ass and is now worth eight figures, and instead of being appreciative, she is so ungrateful all she does is complain about him, and this is very typical of so many Western women. Given the salaries Western men make and the effort so many 3rd world women put into being quality companions, the union of these two groups is inevitable and sure enough, every one of the sons of my friends has a Latin or Asian GF, fiancée, or wife. They seem to be completely uninterested in white and now even black women and their sky high demands.
Having attractive 20-somethings actively trying to extract your semen on a daily basis is strange but also very welcome! To put it simply, I go abroad because I can easily get GFE from an attractive SE Asian woman that is aiming to please and be a steady presence in my life. Even from casual encounters, these same ladies are texting / calling everyday just to check on me and see if I want them to come over. I once got sick and had to stay in my hotel for a couple of days, I had different casual ladies bringing me food and checking on me. These ladies didn't know me from Adam. We had a couple of "dates" and were not exclusive, they were just checking on their client. So yea, in the west, I have never experienced any of this unless it was in a committed relationship.
Quality of Life and Value. Yes, I can see QoL not being the same as a western modern city in every single way. There will be some tradeoffs in some QoL areas. I concede that point, however, those tradeoffs are worth it if you value different QoL elements. For the places that I travel to, QoL for the elements that I care most about is enhanced. So for me, I get enhanced QoL for 50% of the cost. It is really an easy choice for someone in my situation.This is very well put. For me, I spend a week of every month in Colombia and there is a weight off my chest when I leave and can be around authentic and real relationships. Race, sex, and politics have so dominated American society now it is ridiculous. And then I long for my creature comforts and QOL and return to the USA.
And really the final blow for me. You don't need an explicit Seeking Arrangement discussion or negotiation. It is simply organic in the culture of relationships in SE Asia. As soon as I initiate any conversation, the lady knows from the beginning I want to sleep with her and if it is good, possiby multiple times. I know if it is good and I want repeat services, I will compensate her PPM or on retainer. I can get $100 USD PPM that can easily transition to a well kept exclusive girlfriend for $800 USD / mo (no more PPM as many visits as I want). These are rough lived experience numbers. Pricing can go lower or way higher depending on the lady and her current earning potential.Yeah, I am not so sure if it is the same in Mexico but it is in Colombia. I did not get how open the women were to SB relationships. I used seeking, but I have since learned I did not have to. Even though I am older than when I played before, my confidence is much higher. If you are a decent guy with a few $, I KNOW you can get a good looking woman who treats you right.
Steve 9696
05-15-26, 15:26
So not technically all Seeking because I met N in a club in Brazil. But a very seeking-style experience annd a fun read I think. And don't bother hating on calling these girls my GFs. I don't give a rats ass that there is some (small) remuneration to bridge the age gap. I treat these girls like my GF and they do the same in return. It's absolutely the only way to roll.
Although this was a business trip, the primary focus of the trip was on N. N is my Brazilian GF, whom I see whenever I travel there. But she has never been outside Brazil. She got her passport a year ago when I told her I'the like to travel her but we couldn't make it happen. But this time it was on!
Her mother pretty much begged her not to go. She thought I could be trafficking her!! But N and I have spent enough time together that she trusts me and so we made it happen.
Because I know that a beautiful girl traveling alone from Brazil to London is going to get flagged at immigration, I had her fully prepared with proof of return trip, hotel reservations in her name and so on. I'the told her she needs to be able to prove enough money for her stay as well. (I didn't tell her I've done this 3 times before! Hahaha).
Despite this, holy shit the drama. I am waiting for her at the airport just outside arrivals. And she's sent me a pin so I can see she's made it to immigration or baggage claim. But then the pin says it hasn't been updated in 10 minutes. Then 20. Then 40. Holy fuck what is going on? Zero pin movement. Zero communication. Yikes!
Suddenly after being incommunicado for almost an hour I get panicked texts "baby they say I don't have enough money. Send me money. Now. Urgent!" I know this isn't a scam because her map pin is literally about 100 feet away from me, on the other side of the wall!
Total panic. But I send her a few hundred bucks. Wise (international money transfer app) is fucking amazing and it goes through in seconds. Silence for a bit more, but then she says she's thru and coming out. What a mind fuck that was! Can you imagine if she had to get back on the plane and fly home? Fuuuuck!
Reunited, we are like a house on fire. Kisses and hugs and damn I adore that girl. We catch the Heathrow express and a cab and get to the hotel maybe 5 pm or so. Can't recall the exact order of things but we nap and fuck and have dinner at Chicettis which I just love. She is over the moon to be in London and at such a vibey restaurant. She is all smiles and girlish energy 24/7, following her emergence from the Nazis at immigration.
I don't think I'll do a day by day account here. Too many days. I'll just summarize and hit the high points. Def high point of first night, and possibly the week, is the club Heaven, by far the best gay club in London. The big dance floor is shuttered on Sunday's and it starts out super slow at 10 PM but we make one good friend who spends most of the night with us.
By the time it hits 12 it's a full on party. Everyone is dancing and having fun. We've prob made 5-7 new friends, including a small group of Brazilian guys! N and I dance a lot and she dances a ton with other guys or girls. I learned with Thifany back in 2018 to not try to cage a free spirit, so I play the role of videographer half the night. But I really don't mind. I love seeing her having fun.
Funniest part of the night is that there is this guy who may like guys, but it's soooo clear he's into N. He's not being aggressive or pushy but just the way he is with her. At one point they are dancing and I am kinda third-wheel-dancing nearby. And he leans over to her and says "where are you staying?" To me a clearly leading question. And she turns to me and says "babe where are we staying?" His face fell like a rock. LOL. Yeah, you can dance with her, but she's going home with me!
We had a couple low points too, including one totally deep fucking, fuck-me-in-the-ass chasm! That was on Wednesday night. We arrived late to Barcelona after having spent 3 days in the UK. Easy arrival, as we are traveling together, so no immigration bullshit. We check in, but immediately bounce to Monk, a vibey speakeasy in the happening Born part of Barecelona.
Things start off kinda slow with neither of us having had any drinks. So we are just near the entrance facing each other but perhaps 2 feet between and lightly chatting and soaking it up. It's all an under 30 crowd, which it always is! There is one guy perhaps 5-7 feet away who is sizing N up. Literally eye fucking her from head to toe, clearly interested but with a few other guys. I don't worry too much about it.
But then maybe 20 minutes later, he slips in between us -- and not in a "hey how are you guys" but in a move where he clearly doesn't think we are together or doesn't care, as his back is 70% facing me. They start chatting, and you know N, she is so friendly and doesn't even think about whether a guy is hitting on her or not, so they are exchanging Instagram and such. No harm. But then he's really leaning in and its getting very cozy. I probably should have let it go but instead, I tap him on the shoulder and say "hey, you know she's my girlfriend right?" And he immediately backs off -- says hey I didn't know.
I know N likes to be friendly so I say no harm no foul and shake his hand and say "hey you can be friends with both of us" but he says no thanks and excuses himself and leaves. Seems all pretty harmless, but Noooooooo. N is pissed. She says she wants to leave. I am pretty taken aback, but I can tell she's mad and don't want to make it worse. So we leave and take a cold-shoulder taxi ride home.
Back in the room, I get to see the true Latina temper that there are all sorts of memes about. She bitches me out in Brazilian Portuguese so fast and loud I have no idea what she is saying, except that she wants to go home tomorrow! Wow. I am totally taken aback.
Long story short, I react quite emotionally (sad, not mad) and by the time morning rolls around she's rethought things and apologized. In the debrief, she says her former boyfriend was super controlling and would beat her if she as much as smiled at another guy. She was so glad to be free of this control. And she was triggered by my actions-- but after calmer head, knows I am not that guy and trusts me. But I also committed to being more careful in not trying to intervene in her "friendships". I didn't tell her the guy was eyeing her like a piece of meat, because I don't think it would have helped anything. Anyhow. This was a true shithole in an otherwise perfect week together. So glad we worked through it.
Another really fun night was when we met up with her friend and her friends on Friday night. A friend she knows from Scandallo flew in to see a guy and had just landed and we went out with her, her boyfriend, and another male friend. One of the guys spoke great English which was nice, but I managed my Porto with the others. Let me tell you, the locals know where to go! They took us to a bar called Bar Sauvage that was PACKED. We danced in the basement as best we could with packed bodies. She mostly danced with her friend (a girl) and I kinda danced with. It wasn't ideal, but again, I am happy to be around her being happy and really don't want to harsh her mellow.
We bounced to Club Sauvage as things got late and they had a dope DJ in the basement. Here it was much more a group dancing vibe and less crowded so it was a ton of fun. We'd go out for a smoke break and smoke weed right there in the square, despite it being theoretically illegal. Again, the value of having local friends. Packed it in at 4. 30 AM. Wow. Great night. Got to say I wasn't disappointed when N said her friends loved me so much and really wanted us to go out again. (And I wasn't playing the rich gringo role buying drinks all around. In fact they bought a round or two for me and provided all the weed!
Other highlights included fucking N of course. And some VERY sexy dancing she let me video before getting down to business. In fact, this became our standard foreplay. She dances super sexy, maybe in lingerie, but then losing that and dancing and twerking right in my face -- naked pussy. Wow. What a great way to kick off sex!
I think my favorite pre-sex memory, aside from the videos, was when I was lying on the bed before dinner one afternoon and she just got out of the shower. She comes to the side of the bed in a towel and plants the deepest, sexiest french kiss on me and says "Quero? As in "Do you want?" Of course the answer is YES and it's on, but the way she initiated was priceless. Fucking with N is great. She is very into it, but attentive to my needs. Her BJ is super on point, including deep throat and CIM if I like.
When the trip finally came to an end 7 days later, I took her to the airport and made sure she got off safely. God, we really adore each other. As we are at our last little snack in the airport, over Totilla Espanol, we are gazing into each other's eyes and chatting and we both start tearing up big time. Same when I see her to the security gate. We are both on the verge of tears and perhaps shed a few. It's very hard coming down from a high like this. Other than the mid-week meltdown, it was magical and the fact that we can spend 24/7 together for 7 days speaks volumes. Never done that with another girl.
Of course I am not one to let the iron cool. I drop N at 11 and scoot back to the hotel to meet A two hours later, at 1 PM! Hahahah. I made sure the hotel made up the room so it wasn't like I'd been whoring all week! I really dig A too but in a totally different way. She's more cute GND than sexy (Vietnamese, a little heavy) and intellectual. She has a masters in marketing and leads social and tradeshow for a blockchain company. She has this rocker / goth vibe though and you would have no idea she's a successful career professional. And she's a wildcat in bed. I don't think she get's around a lot and so she's 100% ready to fuck like her life depends on it. When I do DATY she's a squirming, sloppy, beast and she loves to fuck me. She gives great head and both her and N are bareback of course, so I let go a glorious CIP inside her.
One time I wrote down what I like in a girl and it's "bubby, chatty, and affectionate -- and loves to kiss" A is all that (as is N). So we just fall back into it. We are only together for 24 hours, but we manage to fuck twice that first day and get in a bunch of drinking and shopping and generally having a great time. Still adore that girl (met her via Seeking in Jan 2025 and spent about 7-8 days with her during two trips in 2025). Seeing her off isn't as hard, since we were only together for such a short time, but I'd def see her again.
After this I went to Madrid and did clubs there. See that thread for the report out.
We had a couple low points too, including one totally deep fucking, fuck-me-in-the-ass chasm! That was on Wednesday night. We arrived late to Barcelona after having spent 3 days in the UK. Easy arrival, as we are traveling together, so no immigration bullshit. We check in, but immediately bounce to Monk, a vibey speakeasy in the happening Born part of Barcelona.
Things start off kinda slow with neither of us having had any drinks. So we are just near the entrance facing each other but perhaps 2 feet between and lightly chatting and soaking it up. It's all an under 30 crowd, which it always is! There is one guy perhaps 5-7 feet away who is sizing N up. Literally eye fucking her from head to toe, clearly interested but with a few other guys. I don't worry too much about it.
But then maybe 20 minutes later, he slips in between us -- and not in a "hey how are you guys" but in a move where he clearly doesn't think we are together or doesn't care, as his back is 70% facing me. They start chatting, and you know N, she is so friendly and doesn't even think about whether a guy is hitting on her or not, so they are exchanging Instagram and such. No harm. But then he's really leaning in and its getting very cozy. I probably should have let it go but instead, I tap him on the shoulder and say "hey, you know she's my girlfriend right?" And he immediately backs off -- says hey I didn't know..Now this is the kind of thing that pisses me off about some women. You flew her ass all the way over there and went through some extraordinary effort to get her in. You're wining and dining her and treating her to a lifestyle that she could never afford on her own. And some asshole is going to Bogart in and take your time? You had shown great patience already both then and on other occasions, and perhaps the guy truly miscalculated in his mind and wasn't just intentionally trying to disrespect you, but at some point you had to let him know what's up. And she's going to get mad at you for doing that? No, fuck that! I'm generally speaking not a jealous type of guy about anything, but enough is enough! Especially when you're treating this girl in a way most guys never would, even if they could afford to do it too. No, I'm not flying these "soft core hoors" anywhere, only to have them turn around and disrespect me too. No, homey don't play that! The reason I'm paying them is not only to fuck them, but also so that they leave, to avoid all of the arguments and emotional bullshit LOL! But hey Steve, you do you. You do it well! I'm just out here trying to get my nuts sucked and land a good butt fuck! Hahahaha! Off for my own new Iberian adventure soon.
So not technically all Seeking because I met N in a club in Brazil. But a very seeking-style experience annd a fun read I think. And don't bother hating on calling these girls my GFs. I don't give a rats ass that there is some (small) remuneration to bridge the age gap. I treat these girls like my GF and they do the same in return. It's absolutely the only way to roll.
Although this was a business trip, the primary focus of the trip was on N. N is my Brazilian GF, whom I see whenever I travel there. But she has never been outside Brazil. She got her passport a year ago when I told her I'the like to travel her but we couldn't make it happen. But this time it was on!.Well played on so many levels. A real pro.
Steve 9696
05-15-26, 23:27
Hahaha I knew someone would low key flame me (thanks cane!) for being a bit beta in this situation, but I am eyes wide open. I tend to play a more BFGF game than most. And that leads to a bit longer term stuff (known her since I've 2024). And that means we don't always show our best selves. Because we've gotten super comfortable. So I am ok w a girl showing her emotions, as long as it's not lazy. Most girls do get lazy 1. 5 to 2 years in and that's when I end things. But having a tiff is not grounds for dismissal. Getting lazy about sex is.
I've realized also that the girls I really adore and sorta love (only 4 since 2018) were all very alpha. Like a woman who is admired by others and really takes charge a lot. And that's def N. She is everyone's dream girl. To just be around her energy is intoxicating and I am willing to be a little beta to keep it rolling. I know girls don't really want beta so I tread a fine line. But this girl is fire and not just her looks. She slays all that come in contact. So I am going to keep it rolling.
Hahaha I knew someone would low key flame me (thanks cane!) for being a bit beta in this situation, but I am eyes wide open. I tend to play a more BFGF game than most. And that leads to a bit longer term stuff (known her since I've 2024). And that means we don't always show our best selves. Because we've gotten super comfortable. So I am ok w a girl showing her emotions, as long as it's not lazy. Most girls do get lazy 1. 5 to 2 years in and that's when I end things. But having a tiff is not grounds for dismissal. Getting lazy about sex is.
I've realized also that the girls I really adore and sorta love (only 4 since 2018) were all very alpha. Like a woman who is admired by others and really takes charge a lot. And that's def N. She is everyone's dream girl. To just be around her energy is intoxicating and I am willing to be a little beta to keep it rolling. I know girls don't really want beta so I tread a fine line. But this girl is fire and not just her looks. She slays all that come in contact. So I am going to keep it rolling.It was not intended to be a flame. She should have been showing gratitude at all times for what you were doing for her instead of throwing off attitude. In fact, you shouldn't have had to step in when the guy was in between the two of you, his back to you. She should have said you both were together out of respect for you. Instead she's standing there exchanging Instagrams, and gets ticked off when you finally say the two of you were together. You acted like a gentleman, and I find her behavior to be unacceptable. It's the kind of shit some hot girls will do, acting like you're supposed to be kissing their ass at all times when you're there spending your money on them. This is what I'm talking about. Do your thing!
Chocha Monger
05-18-26, 02:12
Now this is the kind of thing that pisses me off about some women. You flew her ass all the way over there and went through some extraordinary effort to get her in. You're wining and dining her and treating her to a lifestyle that she could never afford on her own. And some asshole is going to Bogart in and take your time? You had shown great patience already both then and on other occasions, and perhaps the guy truly miscalculated in his mind and wasn't just intentionally trying to disrespect you, but at some point you had to let him know what's up. And she's going to get mad at you for doing that? No, fuck that! I'm generally speaking not a jealous type of guy about anything, but enough is enough! Especially when you're treating this girl in a way most guys never would, even if they could afford to do it too. No, I'm not flying these "soft core hoors" anywhere, only to have them turn around and disrespect me too. No, homey don't play that! The reason I'm paying them is not only to fuck them, but also so that they leave, to avoid all of the arguments and emotional bullshit LOL! But hey Steve, you do you. You do it well! I'm just out here trying to get my nuts sucked and land a good butt fuck! Hahahaha! Off for my own new Iberian adventure soon.The Cane standing on business as usual. Threating soft core pros too good often results in disrespect. They start thinking maybe you are soft too. Best policy is getting your nut sack sucked and dropping a couple hot loads in her poot. Then keep it moving. LOL! The long-term GFE tends to have a low ROI for most. The girl knows that you have over invested and feels free to show her ass, and not in the way you love.
KrisMonger
05-18-26, 13:04
Has anyone had success with SA in Indonesia? Any advice or info on going rates? I think I have read that someone has posted better off bringing someone from Jakarta to Bali LOL.One of the best places for SA hunting IMO and yes best to take someone from Jakarta to Bali as you get a better deal and they all like to let loose and party in Bali.
Hahaha I knew someone would low key flame me (thanks cane!) for being a bit beta in this situation, but I am eyes wide open. I tend to play a more BFGF game than most. And that leads to a bit longer term stuff (known her since I've 2024). And that means we don't always show our best selves. Because we've gotten super comfortable. So I am ok w a girl showing her emotions, as long as it's not lazy. Most girls do get lazy 1. 5 to 2 years in and that's when I end things. But having a tiff is not grounds for dismissal. Getting lazy about sex is.
I've realized also that the girls I really adore and sorta love (only 4 since 2018) were all very alpha. Like a woman who is admired by others and really takes charge a lot. And that's def N. She is everyone's dream girl. To just be around her energy is intoxicating and I am willing to be a little beta to keep it rolling. I know girls don't really want beta so I tread a fine line. But this girl is fire and not just her looks. She slays all that come in contact. So I am going to keep it rolling.People who complain don't have a good game. A confident man does not have to worry about a woman straying. By being the alpha male, no other guy can compete. If you have to guard your prize, it is a sign of lack of confidence. And girls love guys with confidence. If you show a weak hand, she already trading up.
Anyone else noticing a big decrease in quantity and quality nowadays, especially in Europe?
Been doing Europe for the last 2-3 years, and planning a Euro summer soon. Usually cities like Barcelona, Madrid, London, Amsterdam have too much to choose from, spoilt for choice and hard to pick which ones to message / meet. This year I've been seeing much of the same profiles as previous years, all looking like hardened pro's, and very few if any of the 18-27 girl next door / student types. And almost all of these GND types accounts that pop up seem to sign up, and they never log on again, with their profiles last seen date closed to their join date.
Sad state of affairs.
Pivot to online work and influencers etc. Just getting messaged directly on IG by guys to fly them out or what?
I really wonder.
Anyone else noticing a big decrease in quantity and quality nowadays, especially in Europe?
Been doing Europe for the last 2-3 years, and planning a Euro summer soon. Usually cities like Barcelona, Madrid, London, Amsterdam have too much to choose from, spoilt for choice and hard to pick which ones to message / meet. This year I've been seeing much of the same profiles as previous years, all looking like hardened pro's, and very few if any of the 18-27 girl next door / student types. And almost all of these GND types accounts that pop up seem to sign up, and they never log on again, with their profiles last seen date closed to their join date.
Sad state of affairs.
Pivot to online work and influencers etc. Just getting messaged directly on IG by guys to fly them out or what?
I really wonder.Not really. If anything I am seeing the opposite. Why would these factors be worse than 2 years ago considering alot of the online avenues are saturated with AI and women trying to do the same thing for zero work.
Voodoo Jones
05-23-26, 20:05
I find the women on Seeking who want to charge by the hour interesting. I can browse escort sites for free and pay half of what they want. Why am I paying a subscription fee to get up-charged?
If they're hot enough, maybe they'll go to the back of line, but most likely my other options will keep me busy.
Voodoo Jones
05-23-26, 22:05
I found many of the women in Colombia and Mexico to be much the same though Mexico is getting more Westernized.Elvis, you were one of the members that got me using Seeking years back. I was wondering if using an American number on Whatsapp gets you worse results than using a Colombian number. I'm still in the US and been back on the site for a week. You think I'd be better off waiting until next week when I have a Colombian number? I don't remember there being much difference in the past.
They'll figure out I'm a gringo eventually, of course. But maybe the opening offer would be lower.
TomTraubert
05-25-26, 14:54
Anyone else noticing a big decrease in quantity and quality nowadays, especially in Europe?
Been doing Europe for the last 2-3 years, and planning a Euro summer soon. Usually cities like Barcelona, Madrid, London, Amsterdam have too much to choose from, spoilt for choice and hard to pick which ones to message / meet. This year I've been seeing much of the same profiles as previous years, all looking like hardened pro's, and very few if any of the 18-27 girl next door / student types. And almost all of these GND types accounts that pop up seem to sign up, and they never log on again, with their profiles last seen date closed to their join date..I think it's a global phenom. The rebranding as a dating site plus the flood of pros and OF models plus hyperinflation is a perfect storm for disaster. I was getting no time limit dates with models and porn stars raw dog for 500 here in LA. Now plain girls and cougars call that Splenda.
I tried seeking in Spain 3 years ago and was shocked at how hard it was to get someone under 500. I did find a great hard body cougar for 400 though but she seemed like the exception.
I'm planning a Fall assault on Mexico and plan to use seeking and will report back. I am traveling solo and for an extended period so staying in an airbnb so a regular I can register would be ideal in many ways. I imagine real SBs would be horrified at going to a love motel LOL.
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