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Mursenary
11-22-20, 22:33
You're so full of yourself that you completely missed the point. The point was that Sweden didn't change their strategy nor did they implement any lockdown. You say people changed their habits even in Sweden, for real? I had no idea.No bro, that was your point. The bigger conversation was regarding Sweden's approach to controlling the virus while you focused on insignificant battles.

Other more credible Swedes seems to have suggested differently.

Who do I believe, credited publications plus people who don't sound unhinged? Or simple, spoiled brat trolls? Easy choice.

Mursenary
11-22-20, 22:37
A side hustle after graduating the university? Most people I know did that during their studies, not after.Go meet more people.

Ever met an American Teacher?

https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/almost-one-third-new-teachers-take-second-jobs

ShooBree
11-23-20, 00:41
Go meet more people.

Ever met an American Teacher?

https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/almost-one-third-new-teachers-take-second-jobsYou keep nagging about side gigs, which again only goes to show that the point went over your head. A smart person would have understood. A smart person without any need to work as a bartender would have gotten it. Can you ever make a relevant post?

Anyways, so what was AOC: s main occupation when she worked as a bartender? Now you've your chance! Say something relevant for once!

I know one teacher with a side gig, you will be surprised to hear this, but it wasn't bartending!

Mr Ho
11-23-20, 00:53
No idea what is the scientific basis behind this statement. Mutation ability is near infinite. Become just another virus? Not sure what that means either.Well I read it, but yes, it could have been fake news!

ShooBree
11-23-20, 01:44
No bro, that was your point. The bigger conversation was regarding Sweden's approach to controlling the virus while you focused on insignificant battles.

Other more credible Swedes seems to have suggested differently.

Who do I believe, credited publications plus people who don't sound unhinged? Or simple, spoiled brat trolls? Easy choice.But I I honestly don't give a flying duck about what's your point. I made my point and it's rock solid, it sure revealed how dishonest you are. You got verbally knocked to the ground and then decided to make another, completely irrelevant point. The funniest part was that you acted as if you'd done some great revelation. The Dunning-Kruger effect in full effect.

ShooBree
11-23-20, 01:46
This guy is so American sounding it's funny. By whatever technicality you consider yourself a Swede, you do not seem to to be a representation of a Swedish person in culture.

No, I didn't attach racism to his comments. Stereotyping, sure, even using an ethnic pejorative, maybe. Socially aware people can parse the difference between making stereotypes and actual racist calls to action, like when someone calls for mass deportation of an ethnic group. That dude was weirdly unstable also.

It seems that you're also getting all mixed up in your American roots too. Mountain View, CA or Mountain View, CO? Silicon Valley? Hard to keep up.

This guy now writes about hardworking immigrants but also attributes low intelligence to people who have worked as bartenders. He can't even grasp the idea of a side-hustle.

I do disagree with Arafat that Shoo comes from the ghetto. I grew up in the hood, and my people don't come off as spoon-fed brats like this one does.

Love seeing these guys come unraveled.You don't even try to hide that you're a liar and a racist.

I see no point in entertaining a demagogue like you.

ExpatLover
11-23-20, 08:19
No idea what is the scientific basis behind this statement. Mutation ability is near infinite. Become just another virus? Not sure what that means either.If you take a French city like Marseille, today we have the variant 4 of Covid knowing that in March we had the 1 this explain why some people can catch 2 times the covid even they build a immunity against variant 1 they are not immune against variant 4, it is exactly the same for the yearly flue. How many people we all know who even they got the flue vaccine they were still sick. This will be the biggest challenge for the vaccine but obviously the journalists, politicians will not speak about it, it is the time to give good news to the people. It is like the question who will pay for the hundred of billions of cash that the different states injected in the past months in the economy, the answer is very simple when you do know it will be us you).

Mursenary
11-23-20, 10:03
You keep nagging about side gigs, which again only goes to show that the point went over your head. A smart person would have understood. A smart person without any need to work as a bartender would have gotten it. Can you ever make a relevant post?

Anyways, so what was AOC: s main occupation when she worked as a bartender? Now you've your chance! Say something relevant for once!

I know one teacher with a side gig, you will be surprised to hear this, but it wasn't bartending!Are you that dense or are you just playing dumb?

Please enlighten me on how being not smart and bartending side gigs have anything to do with each other.

Entry level jobs often don't pay much. After college, some people actually work internships which may pay very little or may not pay at all. Some even volunteer to help the community while gaining experience.

While I may not agree with her political stance, I believe AOC worked as an educator at a nonprofit and on political campaigns like Bernie's while working service jobs to pay the bills for herself and her recently widowed mother.

But what would a spoon fed brat know about hard work and hardship.

I have a feeling that this article regarding criticism of AOC's bartending gig sums up your pompous worldview:

www.businessinsider.com/psychology-of-why-conservatives-bring-up-ocasio-cortez-bartender-past-2019-7%3Famp

Funny though, for a couple of dumb former bartenders, I'm pretty sure both of us have accomplished more with less than this underachieving asshole.

HammerTime96
11-23-20, 10:49
Two excellent eye-opening interviews with Mike Yeadon, the former Chief Scientific Advisor of Pfizer, the company that is now claiming to be making good progress on a vaccine against the SARS-CoV2 virus;.

https://open.lbry.com/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0

https://odysee.com/@UrbeOscura:8/Dr-Mike-Yeadon-'Government-are-using-a-Covid-19-test-with-undeclared-false-positive-rates'-1-:6?are=CVfX67 aax2 t8 ydQ5 qAVV8 wgAd7 d5 fsrp.

Bfsie
11-23-20, 17:27
With regards to the comment from Jmioffe, my guess would be that they are trying to keep down the # of guests at a time to some fairly small number to pass local restrictions. As such, I do not expect these type of restrictions to persist, nor the pricing models when we are past Covid. I have the same view about the excess pricing implemented in Artemis in September. Perhaps I will be wrong but that is the guess / view I have. You are not wrong. Nothing has been fundamentally changed. After corona, FKK clubs will go back to normal like before.


That said, 3 hours is a short amount of time and hardly leaves enough time for more than one session. So, if you stay past 3 hours they charge another 40 when checking out?If there is any monger waiting outside or having already made appointment, the club will kick you out after 3 hours. Otherwise, you can pay another 40 euro for 3 more hours. The reason is, as you correctly stated,


they are trying to keep down the # of guests at a time to some fairly small number to pass local restrictions.

Mursenary
11-23-20, 20:28
If you take a French city like Marseille, today we have the variant 4 of Covid knowing that in March we had the 1 this explain why some people can catch 2 times the covid even they build a immunity against variant 1 they are not immune against variant 4, it is exactly the same for the yearly flue. How many people we all know who even they got the flue vaccine they were still sick. This will be the biggest challenge for the vaccine but obviously the journalists, politicians will not speak about it, it is the time to give good news to the people. It is like the question who will pay for the hundred of billions of cash that the different states injected in the past months in the economy, the answer is very simple when you do know it will be us you).Variants / mutations do not mean vaccine is rendered ineffective. I posted this earlier in response to you.

Mursenary
11-23-20, 20:30
But I I honestly don't give a flying duck about what's your point. I made my point and it's rock solid, it sure revealed how dishonest you are. You got verbally knocked to the ground and then decided to make another, completely irrelevant point. The funniest part was that you acted as if you'd done some great revelation. The Dunning-Kruger effect in full effect.Range on bro, rage.

ExpatLover
11-23-20, 21:28
Variants / mutations do not mean vaccine is rendered ineffective. I posted this earlier in response to you.May be but also may be not, what is effectiveness of the yearly flu vaccine around 50%, why because to produce it in April / May / June they take the virus from New Zealand or Australia (winter season there) and develop the vaccine for Europe but some years the virus has mutated and the vaccine is not efficient, why this can not happen with the covid when we already have variant 4?

Mursenary
11-23-20, 22:30
May be but also may be not, what is effectiveness of the yearly flu vaccine around 50%, why because to produce it in April / May / June they take the virus from New Zealand or Australia (winter season there) and develop the vaccine for Europe but some years the virus has mutated and the vaccine is not efficient, why this can not happen with the covid when we already have variant 4?Because coronavirus mutates at half to 1/14th the rate of influenza virus. Sure it is possible, but as with all nearly all comparisons to the flu, there is a full order of magnitude that differentiates the two classes of virus.

Variants of viruses are subtypes and not completely different serotypes. The likelihood of a mutation making a vaccine inert is much lower than with the flu.

HammerTime96
11-23-20, 23:06
You are not wrong. Nothing has been fundamentally changed. After corona, FKK clubs will go back to normal like before.Many world leaders and important policy makers (eg. Joe Biden, Antony Fauci, Klaus Schwab from the WEF, Tedros from the WHO) disagree and have already publicly stated that a return to the 'old' normal (no face masks, no restrictions, no social distancing) will not happen.

This is the New Normal folks, and a virus that continually mutates (and thus rendering a vaccine pretty much ineffective) will guarantee a 'permanent crisis.'

All dictatorships require a 'permanent crisis' just like communism that continually needs to hunt for "saboteurs" and "counter-revolutionaries. " Of course the real money for the vaxxers is in the continuous treatment and not a one-shot-fix, so they will happily play along with the governments to keep the crisis going.

The FKK days are over folks, better get used to it and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!

https://www.axios.com/fauci-us-not-return-normal-2022-393396c1-7606-4b87-8085-2aa9927bbb52.html

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068941

Of course they tell you "don't worry, it's only one more year" that's because they are using the salami tactic. Remember, all laws that were passed to enable a dictatorship after some "crisis" were of a "temporary" nature, like the famous Enabling Act of Hitler in 1933. By the time the big majority of dumb sheeple realize what's happening, it will be too late to revolt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

"Due to the great care that Hitler took to give his dictatorship an appearance of legality, the Enabling Act was renewed twice, in 1937 and 1941. However, its renewal was practically assured since all other parties were banned. Voters were presented with a single list of Nazis and Nazi-approved "guest" candidates under far-from-secret conditions. In 1942, the Reichstag passed a law giving Hitler power of life and death over every citizen, effectively extending the provisions of the Enabling Act for the duration of the war".

See guys? Don't worry, these restrictions are just "temporary!" / sarc.

BigBuddy69
11-23-20, 23:35
Museums, swimming pools, gyms, art galleries closing? No more visits in some elders houses? Sounds like some kind of light lockdown to me!

Thank you mac Adonis you made my day.

Mursenary
11-24-20, 00:48
Two excellent eye-opening interviews with Mike Yeadon, the former Chief Scientific Advisor of Pfizer, the company that is now claiming to be making good progress on a vaccine against the SARS-CoV2 virus;.

https://open.lbry.com/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0

https://odysee.com/@UrbeOscura:8/Dr-Mike-Yeadon-'Government-are-using-a-Covid-19-test-with-undeclared-false-positive-rates'-1-:6?are=CVfX67 aax2 t8 ydQ5 qAVV8 wgAd7 d5 fsrp.This is actually a fair argument and he makes fair points. The same principles he's talking about are seen in the possible partial immunity that people who received the bcg vaccine have to coronavirus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7413058/

The problem is that there are very few or perhaps zero population level studies that can validate his theoretical claims. So from a public policy point of view, without solid proof to direct otherwise, you must account for worst case scenarios. That is the problem with suggestions from molecular scientists, they often neglect practical applications of their theories and fail to account for real world scenarios. I'm a big science-based policy proponent, but he's leaving out a key aspect of the scientific method. How many times did he use the word "if" and "think" in this video? That's the hypothesis step. But he leaves out key intermediate steps of experimentation and analysis and skips straight to the conclusion step.

Gino02
11-24-20, 04:20
Many world leaders and important policy makers (eg. Joe Biden, Antony Fauci, Klaus Schwab from the WEF, Tedros from the WHO) disagree and have already publicly stated that a return to the 'old' normal (no face masks, no restrictions, no social distancing) will not happen.

This is the New Normal folks, and a virus that continually mutates (and thus rendering a vaccine pretty much ineffective) will guarantee a 'permanent crisis.'

All dictatorships require a 'permanent crisis' just like communism that continually needs to hunt for "saboteurs" and "counter-revolutionaries. " Of course the real money for the vaxxers is in the continuous treatment and not a one-shot-fix, so they will happily play along with the governments to keep the crisis going.

The FKK days are over folks, better get used to it and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!

https://www.axios.com/fauci-us-not-return-normal-2022-393396c1-7606-4b87-8085-2aa9927bbb52.html.Well, let's wait and see what happens this time in 2021. If FKKs are not back to normal (as they were in same time in 2019), we can all say that you were 100% correct in your prediction.

Paulie97
11-24-20, 05:58
Two excellent eye-opening interviews with Mike Yeadon, the former Chief Scientific Advisor of Pfizer, the company that is now claiming to be making good progress on a vaccine against the SARS-CoV2 virus;.

https://open.lbry.com/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0

https://odysee.com/@UrbeOscura:8/Dr-Mike-Yeadon-'Government-are-using-a-Covid-19-test-with-undeclared-false-positive-rates'-1-:6?are=CVfX67 aax2 t8 ydQ5 qAVV8 wgAd7 d5 fsrp.There's always going to be fringe hacks like Yeardon that seek attention by telling fringe malcontents what they want to hear. But if you are so intent on diving in without delay, by all means do so as there are plenty of hookers the world over offering service at this time. There's no reason to try and convince a relatively small community of mongers that 99% of the world's contagious disease specialists have gotten it all wrong.

"Yeadon's central assertion is that, by his calculations, a large proportion of the population have already had the virus (32% have prior immunity to it through exposure to other coronaviruses (30% or are too young to spread the virus (10% This, he says, leaves relatively few (28%) susceptible.

While Yeadon admits in his report that the precise numbers are not "mathematically perfect", they could, if true, mean we already have herd immunity (typically estimated to require 60%-70% of the population to be immune). We could all get back to life as normal. Everything could reopen; social distancing, testing, and vaccines would be unnecessary; and we could return to our terrible former hygiene habits.

Sadly, we cannot. Yeadon's claims are riddled with leaps of logic and illustrated with highly inflated, speculative statistics that most infectious disease experts dispute, and which are being disproved by the explosion of second waves across Europe. To understand why he's so wrong, we need to address his claims about how many people have already had Covid, the alleged existence of prior immunity, and whether false positives explain the second waves."

Entire article is linked below. What's the latest with the mink? Wink.

https://unherd.com/2020/11/the-trouble-with-covid-denialism/

Paulie97
11-24-20, 07:11
This is the New Normal folks, and a virus that continually mutates (and thus rendering a vaccine pretty much ineffective) will guarantee a 'permanent crisis.' You've already been corrected on this point several times, yet choose to continue lying to this monger community. What's your motive? It doesn't follow that because viruses mutate that vaccines or immunities will quickly become ineffective. The Measles virus like SARS-2 is a single strand RNA virus which mutates, and the vaccine has been effective since the 1960's. You have a non-sequitor going, just as you have with your false comparisons to the flu.


All dictatorships require a 'permanent crisis' just like communism that continually needs to hunt for "saboteurs" and "counter-revolutionaries. " Gotcha, so from that you launch into red baiting and global conspiracy theories. Have you considered Thorazine?

ShooBree
11-24-20, 08:08
Museums, swimming pools, gyms, art galleries closing? No more visits in some elders houses? Sounds like some kind of light lockdown to me!

Thank you mac Adonis you made my day.You're wrong matter how you try to twist and turn it.

You claimed that they changed their strategy, but the restrictions are close to exactly the same as in March / April. I guess the definition of a lockdown changed from then to now. Sure, call it a "light lockdown", but in that case we had a light lockdown in March as well.

Let's review McAdon's link: https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7604590.

"Sweden's first and third-largest cities are closing public swimming pools, gyms and museums to the general public as well as limiting the number of visitors to local libraries to slow the spread of Covid-19. ".

"Public gyms", not all gyms. Public gyms. They probably constitute 1-10% of the total number of gyms.

https://www.dn.se/ekonomi/sa-reagerar-handeln-pa-de-nya-coronarestriktioner/

"Shops, gyms and malls are not affected by the Governments new restrictions."

This is why humility is so important, you read but you haven't really understood what you read.

So I say it again people are allowed to move freely, 90-99% of the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open.

ExpatLover
11-24-20, 08:42
Many world leaders and important policy makers (eg. Joe Biden, Antony Fauci, Klaus Schwab from the WEF, Tedros from the WHO) disagree and have already publicly stated that a return to the 'old' normal (no face masks, no restrictions, no social distancing) will not happen.

This is the New Normal folks, and a virus that continually mutates (and thus rendering a vaccine pretty much ineffective) will guarantee a 'permanent crisis. '.

All dictatorships require a 'permanent crisis' just like communism that continually needs to hunt for "saboteurs" and "counter-revolutionaries. " Of course the real money for the vaxxers is in the continuous treatment and not a one-shot-fix, so they will happily play along with the governments to keep the crisis going.

The FKK days are over folks, better get used to it and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!

In such a terrible crisis the rule of the politicians is also to give hope to the people so many are desperate, they have to quarantine sometimes in overcrowded small apartments, with revenue issues. For me it has nothing to do with dictators manipulations they just try to control the pademy and to limit the number of people entering the hospital to limit the terrible death rate. Why always trying to find excuses by the others (politicians) and not to see what is wrong with us? For example more and more people concentrate in big cities (sometimes overcrowded), why so many people prefer to migrate to other countries or continents when it would be better to stay in their own place and develop the things there. For sure this 2 big drivers concentration in big cities, migration will increase the number of crisis like Covid.

ExpatLover
11-24-20, 08:45
With good news about Vaccine and high effective rate, When do you expect FKK reopen again?

January?

February?

March?

April?If the vaccine is really efficient is still a big doubt, if yes we can say the normal life could be there in 1 year, most probably the FKK could reopen before like this year but if a third wave will occur they will close again.

HammerTime96
11-24-20, 10:12
With good news about Vaccine and high effective rate, When do you expect FKK reopen again?

January?

February?

March?

April?The FKK days are over, better get used to the "New Normal" and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!

Read what Dr Fauci and Dr Tedros have to say;.

https://www.axios.com/fauci-us-not-r...9927bbb52.html

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068941

Of course they tell you "don't worry, it's only one more year" that's because they are using the salami tactic. If they tell people the cold hard truth straight away then they will revolt.

Remember all laws that were passed to enable a dictatorship after some "crisis" were of a "temporary" nature, like the famous Enabling Act of Hitler in 1933 or all the laws Stalin passed in order to establish his personal dictatorship? By the time the big majority of dumb sheeple finally figure out what's happening, it will be too late to revolt. Last week, the German Parliament passed a draconian new "Infection Protection Law," that basically transforms Germany into a police state whenever a handful of unelected bureaucrats decide that a flu is becoming a pandemic-scamdemic-plandemic-casedemic. (delete as appropriate).

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-can-germanys-infection-protectionlaw-be-compared-to-the-nazis-enabling-act/a-55649748

Of course, the German State Media (DW is paid for by tax money) doesn't see any problem with the new law, which is analogous to a student grading his / her own exam or asking the fox to guard the henhouse. History has shown that Germans can not be trusted with authoritarian governments and during the last +- 100 years Germans have never been very clever and smart about recognising dictatorships; not under the Kaiser, not under Hitler and not in the DDR. Therefore the elevated opinion Germans hold of themselves should be largely disregarded.

See guys? Don't worry, these restrictions are just "temporary" while the authorities continue to move the goalposts, move deadlines and restrict your freedoms. FKKs opening soon! / sarc.

More info about the Enabling Act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

"Due to the great care that Hitler took to give his dictatorship an appearance of legality, the Enabling Act was renewed twice, in 1937 and 1941. However, its renewal was practically assured since all other parties were banned. Voters were presented with a single list of Nazis and Nazi-approved "guest" candidates under far-from-secret conditions. In 1942, the Reichstag passed a law giving Hitler power of life and death over every citizen, effectively extending the provisions of the Enabling Act for the duration of the war".

HammerTime96
11-24-20, 20:41
As George Orwell wrote in Animal Farm: "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. ".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-O2Td-CzA

No face masks, no social distancing, large group of people dining indoors. This is how serious the political elite treat this 'deadly' PlanDemic!

COVID 1984 is so deadly that you need a bogus PCR test to see if you have the virus in the first place.

MaxSquatter
11-24-20, 22:44
Good points. Corruption is rampant. Dictators love to take advantage etc. History does not always repeat though. And as much as we like to think, facts don't sway most people. There are competing forces that are both very powerful to open and to close our lives. A good argument can be made that these vaccines will be our "saving face" moment. That is, whether they are highly efficacious or not the media will talk up their goodness, sweep the bad under the rug and allow the pharmaceutical companies vast new levels of power setting up databases for health records globally of all vaccinated (mandated). Getting that database and allowing things to return could be a win win for the corrupt creeps that rule the planet.


The FKK days are over, better get used to the "New Normal" and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!

Read what Dr Fauci and Dr Tedros have to say;.

https://www.axios.com/fauci-us-not-r...9927bbb52.html

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068941

Of course they tell you "don't worry, it's only one more year" that's because they are using the salami tactic. If they tell people the cold hard truth straight away then they will revolt.

Remember all laws that were passed to enable a dictatorship after some "crisis" were of a "temporary" nature, like the famous Enabling Act of Hitler in 1933 or all the laws Stalin passed in order to establish his personal dictatorship? By the time the big majority of dumb sheeple finally figure out what's happening, it will be too late to revolt. Last week, the German Parliament passed a draconian new "Infection Protection Law," that basically transforms Germany into a police state whenever a handful of unelected bureaucrats decide that a flu is becoming a pandemic-scamdemic-plandemic-casedemic. (delete as appropriate).

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-can-germanys-infection-protectionlaw-be-compared-to-the-nazis-enabling-act/a-55649748

Of course, the German State Media (DW is paid for by tax money) doesn't see any problem with the new law, which is analogous to a student grading his / her own exam or asking the fox to guard the henhouse. History has shown that Germans can not be trusted with authoritarian governments and during the last +- 100 years Germans have never been very clever and smart about recognising dictatorships; not under the Kaiser, not under Hitler and not in the DDR. Therefore the elevated opinion Germans hold of themselves should be largely disregarded.

See guys? Don't worry, these restrictions are just "temporary" while the authorities continue to move the goalposts, move deadlines and restrict your freedoms. FKKs opening soon! / sarc.

More info about the Enabling Act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

"Due to the great care that Hitler took to give his dictatorship an appearance of legality, the Enabling Act was renewed twice, in 1937 and 1941. However, its renewal was practically assured since all other parties were banned. Voters were presented with a single list of Nazis and Nazi-approved "guest" candidates under far-from-secret conditions. In 1942, the Reichstag passed a law giving Hitler power of life and death over every citizen, effectively extending the provisions of the Enabling Act for the duration of the war".

Tuber19
11-24-20, 23:24
The FKK days are over, better get used to the "New Normal" and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!

.WOOOW, that is a very pessimistic outlook for the Covid crises, calm down man everything will be back to normal sooner or later.

Kuni042
11-25-20, 00:33
Agree. With 2 major firms announcing 95% effective vaccines (and 3-5 following suit), things ought to be much better in April and progressing smoothly into green by summer. I very much expect FKK to open up again by May 1st at the very latest. Local government cannot risk another lawsuit against them (remember that the reopening of FKK in NRW was due to a lawsuit). So things will likely open up sooner.

Here my schedule:

Opening up by Feb 1st. ? very unlikely. Maybe for a silly 10 day period over Christmas. It is actually being discussed to lighten up the lockdown over Christmas. Stupid politicians.

Mar 1st -- unlikely.

Apr 1st. Possibly.

May 1st likely.

June 1st certainly.


WOOOW, that is a very pessimistic outlook for the Covid crises, calm down everything will be back to normal sooner or later.

Mursenary
11-25-20, 13:56
sweep the bad under the rug and allow the pharmaceutical companies vast new levels of power setting up databases for health records globally of all vaccinated (mandated). Getting that database and allowing things to return could be a win win for the corrupt creeps that rule the planet.So how is that different than now where nearly every Western child since at least the 80's has had mandatory vaccinations. Eastern and Pacific nations at one point mandated BCG vaccines for Tuberculosis. Most of the developed world has had mandatory vaccinations and records thereof for decades. And besides declaring recent acute illnesses, allergies, and certain vaccine specific health questions, I've never had to list my medical history when receiving a vaccine. Really, what would be different with a coronavirus vaccine?

Mursenary
11-25-20, 14:05
You're wrong matter how you try to twist and turn it.

You claimed that they changed their strategy, but the restrictions are close to exactly the same as in March / April. I guess the definition of a lockdown changed from then to now. Sure, call it a "light lockdown", but in that case we had a light lockdown in March as well.

Let's review McAdon's link: https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7604590.

"Sweden's first and third-largest cities are closing public swimming pools, gyms and museums to the general public as well as limiting the number of visitors to local libraries to slow the spread of Covid-19. ".

"Public gyms", not all gyms. Public gyms. They probably constitute 1-10% of the total number of gyms..So what's your end goal here with these posts? To assert that nothing has changed in Sweden from 2 months ago? Or to assert that no mitigation efforts are justified? Or to suggest that Sweden has made no mitigation efforts at all? How about we set a permanent goal post for whatever it is you are trying to convince everyone here. Let's be specific.

Gino02
11-25-20, 14:11
Now that USA will have a China backed President starting January 2021, how long do you think it will take USA to become like China? Do you think this (below) is an example and only a start?

"Los Angeles to shut off water and power to homes hosting large parties or gatherings" (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-shut-off-water-power-houses-hosting-large-parties-gatherings/).

Mursenary
11-25-20, 14:18
Here's a prediction for US covid numbers. We will see a lull in cases in the upcoming holiday week to be followed with a dramatic explosion in December. Christmas 2020 in America will see a new height in the crisis. Depending on how people react to the December crisis, January could be even worse, much worse.

In post-Christmas Christian Europe, without even more radical legislation and effective enforcement of policy, it's all but guaranteed that they will see the most wide spread wave across the continent yet.

Turgid
11-25-20, 14:24
............The FKK days are over folks, better get used to it and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!.........OH NO! I could never go back to that for picking up chicks. I have gotten so used to my wallet doing all the talking. If it is as you say then its wankee doodle for me.

BigBuddy69
11-25-20, 14:35
This is why humility is so important, you read but you haven't really understood what you read.Says the guy who has been constantly insulting all the guys who dare to contradict him, describing the people of Southern Europe as a burden and parasites http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus!&p=2447226&viewfull=1#post2447226 (yet he goes to Madrid to get his cock sucked) , praising Trump and Bolsonaro and using the same words as the orange golfer (shithole country for instance). He even qualified "LE Monde" as a fake news media while he's playing with his willy watching Fox News. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Le-Monde.


Lockdown :
an official order to control the movement of people or vehicles because of a dangerous situationSource: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/lockdown.

I bet there is only one public museum in Stockholm with a maximum capacity of 3 people according to you no? Because closing the museums sounds like trying to control the movement of people to me!


Humilty :
the quality of not thinking that you are better than other people; the quality of being humbleYou should really try harder!

MaxSquatter
11-25-20, 21:34
The newness of it would be that this would be a registry for everyone in the western world who wants to do "public" things like travel, go to concerts, bars, hotels. You would have to stay up to date on corona vaccines, boosters, etc and that would be a very new thing. That would also seem to be something that would make their trouble of destroying economies around the world worth it to them. Tracking and making huge profits off the hapless public. At that point why would they want to keep the tyranny going?


So how is that different than now where nearly every Western child since at least the 80's has had mandatory vaccinations. Eastern and Pacific nations at one point mandated BCG vaccines for Tuberculosis. Most of the developed world has had mandatory vaccinations and records thereof for decades. And besides declaring recent acute illnesses, allergies, and certain vaccine specific health questions, I've never had to list my medical history when receiving a vaccine. Really, what would be different with a coronavirus vaccine?

Mursenary
11-26-20, 00:17
The newness of it would be that this would be a registry for everyone in the western world who wants to do "public" things like travel, go to concerts, bars, hotels. You would have to stay up to date on corona vaccines, boosters, etc and that would be a very new thing. That would also seem to be something that would make their trouble of destroying economies around the world worth it to them. Tracking and making huge profits off the hapless public. At that point why would they want to keep the tyranny going?So it sounds that the threat of concern is specifically mandatory coronavirus vaccination for travel? Is this headed the way of a "slippery slope" debate? Or is it the coronavirus vaccine that specifically concerns you?

MaxSquatter
11-26-20, 05:36
Neither is that concerning to me. I am just trying to counter the catastrophic argument that this lockdown will never end by saying it seems likely the western world will be put in a new paradigm of registry and tracking with annual vaccines. And with that in place we'll be allowed to go about mongering and traveling etc like we used to. That scenario seems most likely to me.


So it sounds that the threat of concern is specifically mandatory coronavirus vaccination for travel? Is this headed the way of a "slippery slope" debate? Or is it the coronavirus vaccine that specifically concerns you?

HammerTime96
11-26-20, 09:43
For all the "vaccine" fanboys expecting a summer 2021 FKK fun in Germany, here's what the mainstream media is not telling you;.

https://www.rt.com/news/507829-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-questions/

"What AstraZeneca did, though, was to secure full indemnity from all damages in most countries that struck vaccine-supply deals with the company. Such agreements were reached in July, well before the somewhat puzzling test data arrived. "

This is most disturbing, because there is absolutely zero incentive for these vaccination companies to "get it right. " If they fuck up with the vaccine and you develop serious side effects in a few years time, then there are zero consequences for Big Pharma companies. Because they will be immune for getting sued. This leaves the door wide open for fraudulently manipulating "trials" in order to push the share price, allowing a few people to get rich quick, because if they get caught then they will be immune from any criminal prosecution, thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed.

It's like paying a hooker E1000 in advance for a E50 session, and hoping that you get E950 back after 30 minutes. While being surrounded by 10 muscular "boyfriends" of this hooker. You'll have zero chance! Crazy sex addicts here are so scared into wanting a highly controversial and highly experimental mRNA vaccine for a simple flu with a infection mortality rate of 0,05% so they can fuck some hookers in the short term, that they are completely ignoring the possibility that perhaps in a few years time they might develops serious auto-immune problems.

https://mises.org/wire/what-covid-vaccine-hype-fails-mention

"Cases" were defined by positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing. There was no information about the cycle number for the PCR tests. "

"There is no evidence, yet, that the vaccine prevented any hospitalizations or any deaths. The Moderna announcement claimed that eleven cases in the control group were "severe" disease, but "severe" was not defined. "

"There is no information about how long any protective benefit from the vaccine would persist."

"There is no information about safety. None."

"My colleagues include resident physicians and faculty physicians who work with covid patients on a daily basis. I have asked a number of my colleagues whether they will be first in line for the new vaccine. I have yet to hear any of my colleagues respond affirmatively."

"The reasons for hesitancy are that the uncertainties about safety exceed what they perceive to be a small benefit. In other words, my colleagues would prefer to take their chances with covid rather than beta test the vaccine."

BigBuddy69
11-26-20, 13:14
Everyone knows that Russia today is a very reliable media. Do you have the opinion of the dudes from Qanon? I trust them with my life.

Rocky V
11-26-20, 18:35
For all the "vaccine" fanboys expecting a summer 2021 FKK fun in Germany, here's what the mainstream media is not telling you;.

https://www.rt.com/news/507829-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-questions/

"What AstraZeneca did, though, was to secure full indemnity from all damages in most countries that struck vaccine-supply deals with the company. Such agreements were reached in July, well before the somewhat puzzling test data arrived. "

This is most disturbing, because there is absolutely zero incentive for these vaccination companies to "get it right. " If they fuck up with the vaccine and you develop serious side effects in a few years time, then there are zero consequences for Big Pharma companies. Because they will be immune for getting sued. This leaves the door wide open for fraudulently manipulating "trials" in order to push the share price, allowing a few people to get rich quick, because if they get caught then they will be immune from any criminal prosecution, thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed.You had to resort to finding an article in Russia Today to support your delusional thoughts about vaccines? Have you heard of the stock markets and shares going up and down based on companies performance? What do you think the investors would do if AstraZeneca fails, buying more shares? I'm sure you know that RT is trying to praise the Russia's vaccine over the others, right? Of course you do and you have written this post just to see if we spotted it!


It's like paying a hooker E1000 in advance for a E50 session, and hoping that you get E950 back after 30 minutes. While being surrounded by 10 muscular "boyfriends" of this hooker. You'll have zero chance! Crazy sex addicts here are so scared into wanting a highly controversial and highly experimental mRNA vaccine for a simple flu with a infection mortality rate of 0,05% so they can fuck some hookers in the short term, that they are completely ignoring the possibility that perhaps in a few years time they might develops serious auto-immune problems.Long-term efficacy and safety of any product can only be evaluated over time and I hope you understand this concept! The evaluation and approval processes of new products is much more stringent now, but you are welcome to go into crowds and shag every escort you come across. After all is only a flu and if you are still not doing so, you are the usual coward Trumpian wanker willing to put his own habits over other people's safety.


https://mises.org/wire/what-covid-vaccine-hype-fails-mention

"Cases" were defined by positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing. There was no information about the cycle number for the PCR tests. "Even by your standards, this is the most idiotic quote to report here. PCR amplification is done by standard protocols!


"There is no evidence, yet, that the vaccine prevented any hospitalizations or any deaths. The Moderna announcement claimed that eleven cases in the control group were "severe" disease, but "severe" was not defined. "The data has not been published in peer-reviewed medical journals and therefore it must be considered unchecked at this moment in time. So far we only have the results that the manufacturers have communicated because they still have to submit the data to a medical journal, where it will be checked in detail.


"There is no information about how long any protective benefit from the vaccine would persist."To confirm how long it will last you need something called time and this is true for any new product coming into the market.


"There is no information about safety. None."There is actually, as that is the whole point of conducting clinical trials around the world, but it's not been published yet.


"My colleagues include resident physicians and faculty physicians who work with covid patients on a daily basis. I have asked a number of my colleagues whether they will be first in line for the new vaccine. I have yet to hear any of my colleagues respond affirmatively."Speculative and inconclusive I can say the same thing of the opposite with my hospital colleagues.


"The reasons for hesitancy are that the uncertainties about safety exceed what they perceive to be a small benefit. In other words, my colleagues would prefer to take their chances with covid rather than beta test the vaccine."That is the principle of natural selection, only the well equipped (mentally and physically) will survive and transmit genes to the next generations and I won't be sorry to lose some anti-vaxxers from this world over the next few weeks. I would actually celebrate it!

Mursenary
11-26-20, 18:36
For all the "vaccine" fanboys expecting a summer 2021 FKK fun in Germany, here's what the mainstream media is not telling you;.Question. Why is it that the antivaxxers never cite the overwhelming number of vaccination success stories.

Smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, yellow fever, HPV, etc.

Why is that?

ShooBree
11-26-20, 19:35
Says the guy who has been constantly insulting all the guys who dare to contradict him, describing the people of Southern Europe as a burden and parasites http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus!&p=2447226&viewfull=1#post2447226 (yet he goes to Madrid to get his cock sucked) , praising Trump and Bolsonaro and using the same words as the orange golfer (shithole country for instance). He even qualified "LE Monde" as a fake news media while he's playing with his willy watching Fox News. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Le-Monde.

Source: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/lockdown.

I bet there is only one public museum in Stockholm with a maximum capacity of 3 people according to you no? Because closing the museums sounds like trying to control the movement of people to me!

You should really try harder!You should take a look at yourself and your childish insults.

OK, you're saying that it's a lockdown because the museums are closed. It doesn't matter that the restaurants, gyms, massage joints, shops and malls are open. Good for you.

Spain is a great country if you're a fan of irresponsible politicians and their unbalanced budgets (200 billion euros in deficit over the past five years), corruption, political prisoners, Erdogan and Turkey.

We are paying big money to the EU while Spain and the other shithole countries in the south receive money to be members. Yet they come running to the EU begging for more money, how are they not a burden?!

Don't get me started on France, their colonial past and current maniac for president. Anyways, what's up with the ridiculous move from Brussels to Strasbourg every year?! Maybe if France paid as much as Sweden per capita you would've had a different view of things. More over the EU is a scam with their agricultural support which undoubtedly benefits France greatly. Close to 25% of the agricultural budget goes to French farmers. It's disgraceful how France sneak away from taking their share of the responsibility. Sweden contributes with twice as much as France per capita.

Sirioja
11-26-20, 22:06
2400 deaths yesterday, more than 260.000 deaths, Trump is a real winner, he is number 1 for covid in the world, when we don't know truth about figures in China, but now party with no mask in Wuhan. Improving decreasing covid figures in France, but 149 women were killed by husband, ex husband, or BF in 2019 , after 120 in 2018 , and so many women are beaten at home. Just a shame for men, at least for French men, with some women saying: I was only a mother, but not a woman.

Mursenary
11-26-20, 22:51
Neither is that concerning to me. I am just trying to counter the catastrophic argument that this lockdown will never end by saying it seems likely the western world will be put in a new paradigm of registry and tracking with annual vaccines. And with that in place we'll be allowed to go about mongering and traveling etc like we used to. That scenario seems most likely to me.Definitely a very real possibility regarding the future of travel. If it turns out that vaccination efficacy declines over the years, this scenario would likely be the new normal. If another microbial pandemic pops up in the next decade, I believe that it would be guaranteed that mandatory immunization records be as commonplace as passports and identification cards.

Increase profits by the pharmaceutical companies will definitely be a hot topic issue. I guess that loosely translates to some sort of power grab? But besides benefiting from profits from a steady flow of mandatory vaccines across the globe, I don't really see where they will gain "vast new levels of power."

McAdonis
11-27-20, 02:41
Neither is that concerning to me. I am just trying to counter the catastrophic argument that this lockdown will never end by saying it seems likely the western world will be put in a new paradigm of registry and tracking with annual vaccines. And with that in place we'll be allowed to go about mongering and traveling etc like we used to. That scenario seems most likely to me.How would mandatory CV19 vaccines introduce anything new from a registration and tracking perspective? Since Sept 11, you need to scan some form of government issue identification card for both domestic and international flights. If you drive across an international border, you need to undergo this same scanning process. The proof of CV19 vaccine certificate would then just become an additional form of identification (or entry requirement), right? Depending on your home country or destination country, you need to fill out additional visa forms. And seems most African countries already require inbound travellers to provide proof of yellow fever and or malaria vaccination.

Gino02
11-27-20, 04:42
Neither is that concerning to me. I am just trying to counter the catastrophic argument that this lockdown will never end by saying it seems likely the western world will be put in a new paradigm of registry and tracking with annual vaccines. And with that in place we'll be allowed to go about mongering and traveling etc like we used to. That scenario seems most likely to me.You are probably right about the leisure / touristy travels or even the business travels for sales (some competitive situations), but I doubt all those non-sales / conference-attendee type business travels will come back anytime soon, even after most people get vaccinated. Mongers who were using such non-sales / conference-attendee type business travels as a cover (from their families) to enjoy FKKs, will probably have to find other excuses to travel to Germany or any mongering destinations.

Sirioja
11-27-20, 06:36
Question. Why is it that the antivaxxers never cite the overwhelming number of vaccination success stories.

Smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, yellow fever, HPV, etc.

Why is that?About these rushing vaccines for big business to come for pharma and countries which invested billions: Pfizer and Moderna even a French boss, or Astra, when they want to rush to vaccine first old weak people and at health risk, meaning also weak health people, without really knowing about effects, I really wish they won t kill too many from vaccine. I never take medicine, my only medicine is my way of life, I won t rush for rushing vaccine, I think I would prefer to fight virus with my little soldiers inside my body, when for sure my lungs are as clean as a baby. I wanted to go to clean them more for Christmas, making intense violent efforts in high altitude, but no ski allowed for Christmas, when at the moment, no snow yet, and Merkel I often agree with except about Erdogan and now when she says ski resorts to stay close whole Winter, can t have second Winter with no ski, would be too dangerous for future.

Turgid
11-27-20, 14:15
2020........year of the pandemic.

2021........year of recovery.

2022. ......year of getting back to normal.

2023........normal.

Mursenary
11-27-20, 17:16
About these rushing vaccines for big business to come for pharma and countries which invested billions: Pfizer and Moderna even a French boss, or Astra, when they want to rush to vaccine first old weak people and at health risk, meaning also weak health people, without really knowing about effects, I really wish they won t kill too many from vaccine. I never take medicine, my only medicine is my way of life, I won t rush for rushing vaccine, I think I would prefer to fight virus with my little soldiers inside my body, when for sure my lungs are as clean as a baby. I wanted to go to clean them more for Christmas, making intense violent efforts in high altitude, but no ski allowed for Christmas, when at the moment, no snow yet, and Merkel I often agree with except about Erdogan and now when she says ski resorts to stay close whole Winter, can t have second Winter with no ski, would be too dangerous for future.What good is all of that cardio when you can't even do 1 pull up.

ExpatLover
11-27-20, 20:28
You are probably right about the leisure / touristy travels or even the business travels for sales (some competitive situations), but I doubt all those non-sales / conference-attendee type business travels will come back anytime soon, even after most people get vaccinated. Mongers who were using such non-sales / conference-attendee type business travels as a cover (from their families) to enjoy FKKs, will probably have to find other excuses to travel to Germany or any mongering destinations.I will never understand why married guys or having a GF have to fuck prostitutes, if they are not happy in their relation better to divorce or to find a new GF, fucking prostitutes is bringing 0 solution except emptying the balls and spending money.

BigBuddy69
11-27-20, 21:37
OK, you're saying that it's a lockdown because the museums are closed. It doesn't matter that the restaurants, gyms, massage joints, shops and malls are open. Good for you.Some gyms are closing actually. But if you prefer we can talk about "partial lockdown" like Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-11/sweden-imposes-partial-lockdown-of-bars-with-alcohol-curfew (fake news media?) . I have to admit that I'm rather fond of the expression 'light lockdown', just like the Huffington post https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-did-not-work_uk_5ed75fdfc5b6a209e0b9d271 (libtard media from a shithole country?


Spain is a great country if you're a fan of irresponsible politicians and their unbalanced budgets (200 billion euros in deficit over the past five years), corruption, political prisoners...We are paying big money to the EU while Spain and the other shithole countries in the south receive money to be members.I guess you say it proudly in their face everytime you go to Madrid to get laid because it's forbidden in your heaven on earth.


Erdogan and Turkey.Isn't he some kind of turkish version of your models Trump and Bolsonaro?


Don't get me started on France, their colonial past and current maniac for president.That's the only point where you are not totally wrong but if you want to look at history, I suggest that you think at how the iron ore your country sold to Germany during WWII was used to build weapons and some other stuff to exterminate innocent civilians.


Anyways, what's up with the ridiculous move from Brussels to Strasbourg every year?That's because no one with a little bit of common sense wants to go to Sweden!


Close to 25% of the agricultural budget goes to French farmers. I see that you're not very gifted with numbers (and more widely with logic and argumentation) because according to this source: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/104/the-common-agricultural-policy-in-figures (5th chart), that's more something like 17 %, and since France has around 16% of the agricultural surfaces of EU (2nd chart), it doesn't seem that abnormal. Or maybe that in the alternate universe you created where the sun revolves around Sweden, the figures are different?

One last thing about numbers, 200 Billion euros means 200 x 10 power 9 euros and if I look at this document, https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/10294656/2-22042020-AP-FR.pdf, I find something like 150 Million euros over the last 4 years. That's 150 x10 power 6. Maybe you're not able to count after 100 which explains a lot of things.

Like for instance, the herd immunity you were constantly bragging about in most of your posts some months ago http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3946-Stupid-shit-in-Medellin&p=2474792&viewfull=1#post2474792.


It's rather obvious that we're getting close to herd immunity in Sweden. We've beaten the virus.Because, well, not really. According to this: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0141076820945282 'Four months into the COVID-19 pandemic, Sweden's prized herd immunity is nowhere in sight ' (this title is great don't you think?) and also according to this, https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02948-4 :


We have to face reality never before have we reached herd immunity via natural infection with a novel virus, and SARS-CoV-2 is unfortunately no different.

Sirioja
11-27-20, 21:57
There is social life in front of others, but when you are not able to give pleasure to your woman, then you are boring for sex for her and she prefers to play headache to avoid boring emptying balls, when, on the other hand, you are able to give her pleasure, she will say: I wait you. So many married guys say WGs who don't believe I'm not. But when I had a girlfriend, I really didn't need prostitutes, because I made my girlfriends being higher level for me.

BigBuddy69
11-27-20, 22:30
Maybe if France paid as much as Sweden per capita you would've had a different view of things. More over the EU is a scam with their agricultural support which undoubtedly benefits France greatly. Close to 25% of the agricultural budget goes to French farmers. It's disgraceful how France sneak away from taking their share of the responsibility. Sweden contributes with twice as much as France per capita.Maths in school must have been really tough for you, from the 1st grade until the 10th grade when you left.

Here is a very interesting website: https://ec.europa.eu/budget/graphs/revenue_expediture.html (yes that's not Fox news and there are many complicated numbers).

First start with total expenditure. Look at France, 15085.6 M (it means millions, it's a 1 with lots of 0 behind) then Sweden, 1705.2 (same unit, don't try to understand exactly what it means it's too far away from your understanding range). Then take the two populations, 66.99 M in France and 10.23 M in Sweden (2019 source Eurostat).

And make a division. Or ask mommy to do it for you. You get 225.2 for France and 166.7 for Sweden. Did you teacher succeed in explaining you how to compare 4 digits numbers?

I know that you will answer that you were talking about how Sweden pays more for agriculture than France and that I am a total moron.

So use the little plastic box with buttons next to your computer (it's called a mouse), click on 'total expenditure' and choose 2. 0. 1 EAGF and 2. 0. 2 EAFRD. There are the two funds for Common Agricultural Policy (source https://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/key-policies/common-agricultural-policy/financing-cap/cap-funds_en).

You will have to do something very hard, an addition. You'll find total expenditure for agriculture 9543.7 M for France and 935.2 M for Sweden.

Then you will have to make a new division by the population of each country (that's the first time in your life that you do so complicated maths am I right?) and voila, you find 142.5 for France and 91.4 for Swede! Do you understand what it means? It means than in 2019 France gave 142.5 for each one of its citizens to support agriculture in Europe and Swede only 91.4. And more widely France gave 225.2 for each one of its citizens to the European Union and Sweden only 166.7.

So next time you have one of your bad temper crisis, I suggest that you give a reliable source with each one of the arguments you give because for me, most of the time they have only been lies.

BigBuddy69
11-27-20, 23:32
I should apologise to ShooBree for once because I just realized that I mixed the lines (that's probably the only time I'll do that). It's late and I'm tired but using the good figures (income and not expenditure) shows that France gave EU around 340 euros per citizen and Sweden around 350 so we're still far away from what he said (two times more). So his argument is still incorrect but so were mines.

Tuber19
11-27-20, 23:59
I will never understand why married guys or having a GF have to fuck prostitutes, if they are not happy in their relation better to divorce or to find a new GF, fucking prostitutes is bringing 0 solution except emptying the balls and spending money.Are you a real man? Or you are a woman! LOL.

I doubt a real man really don't understand why man wants fuck many women, its natural.

BigBuddy69
11-28-20, 06:51
Shame on me second mistake, he was right about the deficit of Spain, I'm the idiot confusing millions and billions.

So there is one true fact in all of his posts from the last months. Good lesson learned: never answer him just before going to bed.

Sirioja
11-28-20, 08:59
Are you a real man? Or you are a woman! LOL.

I doubt a real man really don't understand why man wants fuck many women, its natural.I prefer to have only 1 real woman than many prostitutes. I run away from prostitutes looks or behavior, or porn dolls looking like stolen cars.

Turgid
11-28-20, 13:35
About these rushing vaccines for big business to come for pharma and countries which invested billions: Pfizer and Moderna even a French boss, or Astra, when they want to rush to vaccine first old weak people and at health risk, meaning also weak health people, without really knowing about effects, I really wish they won t kill too many from vaccine. I never take medicine, my only medicine is my way of life, I won t rush for rushing vaccine, I think I would prefer to fight virus with my little soldiers inside my body, when for sure my lungs are as clean as a baby. I wanted to go to clean them more for Christmas, making intense violent efforts in high altitude, but no ski allowed for Christmas, when at the moment, no snow yet, and Merkel I often agree with except about Erdogan and now when she says ski resorts to stay close whole Winter, can t have second Winter with no ski, would be too dangerous for future.This will be a really bad winter for you. No skiing and no FKK girls.

Sirioja
11-28-20, 14:59
This will be a really bad winter for you. No skiing and no FKK girls.Since June when reopened, I visited nearly weekly in Switzerland, Austria and Germany, except on my holidays when I prefer my mountains sports. Only Switzerland now opened ski, when France, Italy and Germany stay closed and Austria not yet opening when this is country of ski. Almost no ski on last Winter, same to happen at least for Christmas, no Christmas present for me, when free riding in rocks on fresh, not hard solid enough snow which would slide under pressure below me, would be too dangerous in my Verbier spots, if they open lifts to reach Mont Gelé and Mont Fort Bec des Rosses. More safe in early April when snow is harder and more solid from Winter cold, and theory is if You are not able to reach the bottom of your run, then You can t do more, adrenaline is only as long You are alive. No ski plans, so I didn t even drive to Zurich on this week end, only a Ukrainian escort, real queen for very deep kissing, but not pretty enough to run to repeat. I will do like most of French now, I will work from my bed rather than taking risks to make safety, stay in my bed and wait the end. Fortunately, ski Worldcup started, to dream a bit. Really bad Winter start, I can't imagine starting on right foot jumping among rocks in Mont Gelé after not skiing for nearly 2 years, but if can t ski before, I will jump for only final in end of March or beginning of April. Follow your passion as written at the bottom of Mortirolo. Passion is now my engine to live, or waiting in my bed.

Jmioffe
11-28-20, 15:06
emptying the balls and spending money.*raises glass*.

"What else is the meaning of life?

Gino02
11-28-20, 15:09
This will be a really bad winter for you. No skiing and no FKK girls.We are simply killing everyone is natural immunity by keeping everything closed. More people will die because of these lockdowns, not only from economic hardship but also from lower natural immunity as they stay home too much. This is totally absurd policy, try to save 1% of the population who are with weak health, by sacrificing lives of 99% of the population who were healthy.

ExpatLover
11-28-20, 17:48
*raises glass*.

"What else is the meaning of life?So many other interesting things to do than fucking prostitutes, at least if they were like several years back young, fresh, beauty, natural today to spend my money and my time with overfucked girls, with sili, tatoos, smoking, hair extensions. Sorry it is not my cup of tea.

MoneySign
11-28-20, 18:48
I will never understand why married guys or having a GF have to fuck prostitutes, if they are not happy in their relation better to divorce or to find a new GF, fucking prostitutes is bringing 0 solution except emptying the balls and spending money.The reason is that many prostitutes are younger, sexier, more attractive, and better looking than their wives. Many stay with their wives for emotional, financial, and / or family (children) reason. They go with prostitutes strictly for physical fulfillment. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Got it? In any case, who are you to judge?

I've struck up conversation with few married mongers over the years in FKK clubs. Some casually mentioned that they have sexless marriages. Some even said straight out that they plan to divorce their wives after their children finish high schools and turn 18. It's just a matter of time. I think they believe that divorcing can be emotionally harmful to their children. So they just patiently wait until their kids turn 18 and finish high school to pull the divorce trigger. I suppose one benefit of waiting the kids to become adults is that they don't have to worry about child support in a divorce settlement. That makes the financial aspect of the divorce much simpler. I guess. In the meantime, they just secretly visit the clubs once a while to fulfill their biological needs. Understood?

Oregon97
11-28-20, 19:15
We are simply killing everyone is natural immunity by keeping everything closed. More people will die because of these lockdowns, not only from economic hardship but also from lower natural immunity as they stay home too much. This is totally absurd policy, try to save 1% of the population who are with weak health, by sacrificing lives of 99% of the population who were healthy.Most politicians realize this but they proceed with unscientific actions because they know it will result in more votes in the next election. The principal strategy of politics is to scare up the population, then implement some unscientific actions and the better than expected outcome will then be claimed as resulting from the actions of the politicians. They don't care about the additional suicides, missed surgeries or 100 million + people from developing nations that go into extreme poverty as a result of the actions taken, they only care about the votes in the next election. This is the only explanation for how politicans have turned to fascism in a few months time.

ExpatLover
11-28-20, 19:19
The reason is that many prostitutes are younger, sexier, more attractive, and better looking than their wives. Many stay with their wives for emotional, financial, and / or family (children) reason. They go with prostitutes strictly for physical fulfillment. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Got it? In any case, who are you to judge?

I've struck up conversation with few married mongers over the years in FKK clubs. Some casually mentioned that they have sexless marriages. Some even said straight out that they plan to divorce their wives after their children finish high schools and turn 18. It's just a matter of time. I think they believe that divorcing can be emotionally harmful to their children. So they just patiently wait until their kids turn 18 and finish high school to pull the divorce trigger. I suppose one benefit of waiting the kids to become adults is that they don't have to worry about child support in a divorce settlement. That makes the financial aspect of the divorce much simpler. I guess. In the meantime, they just secretly visit the clubs once a while to fulfill their biological needs. Understood?All this are excuses, the children are 18 or not is changing what? When I divorced I was not waiting the judgment I was doing was I thinking is right for my children and the judge took out the children form the divorce settlement saying she trust me. Even the children are 28 and they need your financial support you will not help them? Strange mindset.

ExpatLover
11-28-20, 19:22
Are you a real man? Or you are a woman! LOL.

I doubt a real man really don't understand why man wants fuck many women, its natural.I am a 60+ guy, I can understand why some man have difficulties to control their own libido, and for some of them it is the libido that controls them. But why going to prostitutes and not to normal woman with whom at least for me the sex is alway better.

McAdonis
11-28-20, 20:19
From Fox New, straight from Tegnell's mouth:


The issue of herd immunity is difficult, Anders Tegnell, Swedens top epidemiologist, said at a briefing in Stockholm on Tuesday, according to Bloomberg. We see no signs of immunity in the population that are slowing down the infection right now.

"In common with other countries were trying to slow down the spread as much as possible. ... To imply that we let the disease run free without any measures to try to stop it is not true, Tegnell told the publication at the time.

I want to make it clear, no, we did not lockdown like many other countries, but we definitely had a virtual lockdown, Tegnell continued. Swedes changed their behavior enormously. We stopped traveling even more than our neighboring countries. The airports had no flights anywhere, the trains were running at a few percent of normal service, so there were enormous changes in society.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/herd-immunity-not-stopping-coronavirus-spread-sweden
Captures the point I was trying to make. Behavior of the population might actually matter more than the lockdown mandate. Between (A) nationwide lockdown where half the population ignores it and (B) voluntary lockdown where 90 percent of the population comply, I believe the latter is more effective.

Turgid
11-28-20, 23:50
So many other interesting things to do than fucking prostitutes, at least if they were like several years back young, fresh, beauty, natural today to spend my money and my time with overfucked girls, with sili, tatoos, smoking, hair extensions. Sorry it is not my cup of tea.Different strokes for different folks. My brother introduced me to prostitution over 40 years ago but now he prefers to hang out and drink with his buddies and refuses when I offer to pay for a hooker for him.

ExpatLover
11-29-20, 01:13
Different strokes for different folks. My brother introduced me to prostitution over 40 years ago but now he prefers to hang out and drink with his buddies and refuses when I offer to pay for a hooker for him.This is true when I started to monger in 2004 after my divorce I was like crazy planning my yearly agenda so I can visit FKK, or planning my weekly agenda to meet some escort. Today my point of interest switch to other things, like investing in shares, buying some classic cars or some real estate and sometimes I am questioning myself how I could spent so much money, energy and time with prostitutes just because there in no future with those girls and also at least for me you leave the room more frustrated then when you entered. But this is my life and I have no regrets except the money spent.

Mursenary
11-29-20, 03:37
I am a 60+ guy, I can understand why some man have difficulties to control their own libido, and for some of them it is the libido that controls them. But why going to prostitutes and not to normal woman with whom at least for me the sex is alway better.Like someone else said, different strokes for different folks.

I'll even add that the best sex of my life has been with prostitutes, both pornstar-pounding sex and sensual Girlfriend-experience-honeymoon sex. Not to say that civilians sex is always inferior but it's harder to find civilian girls with both the authentic sensuality AND the experience of a prostitute. Now, it might take the second or third session with a prostitute to open up the sensual-passionate side, but when they do, combine that with their experience, the top end with a prostitute is noticeably higher than with normal girls. In my experience, the only civilians that came close to matching my experiences with a prostitute who is comfortable with you are the girls who are a little crazy in the head. Or ones who are high on some psychoactive drug, I. E. MDMA / Molly / Ecstasy.

Mursenary
11-29-20, 04:24
We are simply killing everyone is natural immunity by keeping everything closed. More people will die because of these lockdowns, not only from economic hardship but also from lower natural immunity as they stay home too much. This is totally absurd policy, try to save 1% of the population who are with weak health, by sacrificing lives of 99% of the population who were healthy.Meh. Obviously the people of most nations can't even handle common sense efforts such as wearing a simple mask in enclosed spaces or keeping some sort of distance. If people never fought over ridiculous assertions like this being just the flu, masks don't work, blah blah blah, extended lock downs may not have been necessary. Instead, we still have people bickering at every step of the way when this could have been contained months ago. Now, when presented with an easy out with a relatively easy to develop vaccine, half of you all even bicker about that.

Remember what happened in the beginning with zero behavior changes? Death rates were in the 5 to 13% range in NYC, Milan, Madrid, and Barcelona.

Why were rates that high? Because doctors were in charge of twice the patient load. Nurses had double and triple the number of patients deemed safe nursing ratios. We didn't have enough ventilators, high flow oxygen devices, or numerous basic supplies. Hospital laboratories and pharmacies were overwhelmed to process diagnostic tests and mix medications in a timely fashion. In NYC, we started off pretty decently, kept deaths low. But when ICU patients began piling up in the Emergency room because there were no hospital beds to put them in, people needlessly died. When I had to put in IV's for grandma nurse brought out of retirement because she couldn't even see or feel veins anymore, we were in trouble. When you have pediatricians taking care of adult patients in hospitals, that's when people died.

McA already pointed out the differences (again) between a nation who's (general) populace more or less behaved accordingly versus a non compliant population with mandatory restrictions. The people to blame are the ones who keep making assertions like the one quoted. When they quote cherry-picked, editorial "science," I have no idea what the hell they're talking about. Lose natural immunity? Loss of immunity to what exactly? Loss of life due to suicide and delayed surgeries? No data suggests that those numbers are even a significant fraction of covid deaths even with mitigation efforts.

Sirioja
11-29-20, 09:52
Of course when you and many others leave room and girl being frustrated, better to save your money, even Y/ou won t need when you will die, I wish you as late as possible, staying healthy from covid until then, but I like to think I made a good job most of times, surprising them, treating them like women, seeing their round eyes, of course a bit difficult to make them feel when not kissing nor datying them, and I love to repeat to make improve sweet beauties for me, then no frustration but real enjoyment. In real life, women have headache with most of men, but ask for sex few men who give them pleasure, orgasms also pay in paid sex, giving to some WGs will to give back, but just have to experience to know and enjoy when a girl gives you without needing to beg nor to play grocer. Most interesting woman part about their reactions and reflex.

Sirioja
11-29-20, 18:55
When we have now much too many, more than 52.000 covid deaths in my little France, I would say 55/60.000 with deaths at home, with doctors who did let die at their home too old and weak people, but without our 2 confine, we should have at least 400000 deaths, when second confine now made decreasing our covid figures and our stores reopened, but not ski. But South Korea is now under third wave. Winter will be long in North hemisphere, if vaccines don t kill too many, but not efficient to protect on next day. Summer should help south.

ShooBree
11-30-20, 13:31
Some gyms are closing actually. But if you prefer we can talk about "partial lockdown" like Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-11/sweden-imposes-partial-lockdown-of-bars-with-alcohol-curfew (fake news media?) . I have to admit that I'm rather fond of the expression 'light lockdown', just like the Huffington post https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-did-not-work_uk_5ed75fdfc5b6a209e0b9d271 (libtard media from a shithole country?

I guess you say it proudly in their face everytime you go to Madrid to get laid because it's forbidden in your heaven on earth.

Isn't he some kind of turkish version of your models Trump and Bolsonaro?

That's the only point where you are not totally wrong but if you want to look at history, I suggest that you think at how the iron ore your country sold to Germany during WWII was used to build weapons and some other stuff to exterminate innocent civilians.Let me apologize, I didn't realize until now that you're retarded.

It's 40 billions per year, not 40 millions. You really should learn how to read & count. We always knew that French cars were shit. Now we know that French schools are shit and you got shit for brains.

The simple fact that you think that Bolsonaro and Erdogan are the same shows how ignorant you're. But of course, it's not as embarrassing as when you confuse billions with millions. Both Erdogan and Macron are imperialistic warmongers.

The agriculture support is widely criticized, its not something that the EU should waste the members money on. But they still do because France saw their chance to steal more money. Isn't it embarrassing that Sweden contributes with twice as much as France on a per capita basis? I think it's both impressive and embarrassing how the Swedish politicians could agree to the Swedish people being robbed like that. The French continue to steal, they have 15% of the population and receives 17.5 % of the agriculture support. They used to steal close to 25%.

There's no lockdown in Sweden, despite the closed museums. Yet again you continue with your false and ignorant comments.

I notice that you have regressed back to a 5 year old. You can't even give a good answer on why the EU and the whole circus are moving between Brussels and Strasbourg. A waste of money just because of the French and their shitty attitude notorious around the world.

It's still funny to see that Sweden has less deaths per capita than France despite the lockdown in France. Didn't France close their museums?

ShooBree
11-30-20, 13:44
I should apologise to ShooBree for once because I just realized that I mixed the lines (that's probably the only time I'll do that). It's late and I'm tired but using the good figures (income and not expenditure) shows that France gave EU around 340 euros per citizen and Sweden around 350 so we're still far away from what he said (two times more). So his argument is still incorrect but so were mines.Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/

Mursenary
11-30-20, 20:38
There's no lockdown in Sweden, despite the closed museums. Yet again you continue with your false and ignorant comments.
It's still funny to see that Sweden has less deaths per capita than France despite the lockdown in France. Didn't France close their museums?
From Fox New, straight from Tegnell's mouth:

Captures the point I was trying to make. Behavior of the population might actually matter more than the lockdown mandate. Between (A) nationwide lockdown where half the population ignores it and (B) voluntary lockdown where 90 percent of the population comply, I believe the latter is more effective.

The issue of herd immunity is difficult, Anders Tegnell, Swedens top epidemiologist, said at a briefing in Stockholm on Tuesday, according to Bloomberg. We see no signs of immunity in the population that are slowing down the infection right now.

"In common with other countries were trying to slow down the spread as much as possible. ... To imply that we let the disease run free without any measures to try to stop it is not true, Tegnell told the publication at the time.

I want to make it clear, no, we did not lockdown like many other countries, but we definitely had a virtual lockdown, Tegnell continued. Swedes changed their behavior enormously. We stopped traveling even more than our neighboring countries. The airports had no flights anywhere, the trains were running at a few percent of normal service, so there were enormous changes in society.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/herd-immunity-not-stopping-coronavirus-spread-sweden


So what's your end goal here with these posts? To assert that nothing has changed in Sweden from 2 months ago? Or to assert that no mitigation efforts are justified? Or to suggest that Sweden has made no mitigation efforts at all? How about we set a permanent goal post for whatever it is you are trying to convince everyone here. Let's be specific.Short answer, there is no end goal. Just the endless ramblings of jester.

Tuber19
11-30-20, 22:03
There's no lockdown in Sweden, ...

It's still funny to see that Sweden has less deaths per capita than France despite the lockdown in France. Didn't France close their museums?Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.

Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))

Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.

Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.

Paulie97
11-30-20, 22:22
Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.

Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))

Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.

Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.Compare Sweden to their Nordic neighbors, which is most appropriate given the very similar demographics and logistics, and your whole thesis falls apart. That's given the much higher per capita death rates, for example Sweden 11 times that of Norway. Then you have many countries with widespread compliance with health measures, masks, social distancing, etc. Like Thailand, South Korea, and Taiwan that did extremely well at saving lives and your notion plummet even further. It still amazes me how far so many here go to keep repeating the same fallacies over and over even after they've comprehensively refuted at least 50 times already. It doesn't say much for the IQ of the average monger.

https://www.logicalfallacies.org/argument-from-repetition.html

ExpatLover
11-30-20, 22:26
Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.

Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))

Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.

Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.Yes for sure, Sweden 10 million people nearly 7000 deaths, very great success.

Paulie97
11-30-20, 22:43
Masks don't work.

Social distancing doesn't work.

Covid is no worse than the flu.

US doctors are inflating the numbers for profit.

Vaccines can never work because Covid mutates.

Hugo Chavez, George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and a Venezuelan voting machine software company stole the election from Trump.

That's just a small sample. It's the age of the internet, so just lie, ignore all contrary evidence or requests for proof, and lie some more. Be encouraged as a lot of people in this day and age have an insatiable appetite for this stuff. Wink.

Sirioja
11-30-20, 22:43
For French shit cars, when Ferrari, Lamborghini, MacLaren, Porsche supercars don't reach 350 km / h, when Formula 1 are at maximum 370 km / h, but made with French brains and hands, Bugatti, Germans are not able to build among VAG group, is not far from 450 km / h very soon. I also remember V6 engine PRV in Alpine A310 , but also Renault, Peugeot, Citroen and even Volvo, with last letter V for Volvo. If we take Volvo V40 , Golf, Audi A3 not quattro, BMW1 not xdrive, Mercedes A class, any Japanese in this category and 308 , all with same engine power, 150/180 or 200 power, on north Nuburgring which is the truth to test cars performances, then 308 Peugeot is first for sure, because Peugeot have the best sporty balance since decades. Of course in France, not many powerful cars, because speed is like a crime, but when I m arrested overspeeding by French police, they don't put me in jail, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland but treated like a criminal and put with Albanian drugs dealers.

Sirioja
11-30-20, 22:47
Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.

Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))

Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.

Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.Stockholm did compete with NYC for highest covid deaths rate and more than 500 per million deaths in Sweden. NL preferred to confine for second wave, but Sweden is like Trump, thinking to be stronger than others, killing many old and poor.

Mursenary
12-01-20, 00:29
Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.

Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))

Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.

Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.Yeah that's not how science or basic logic works. As evidenced by lower death rates in New Zealand, Australia, and basically every country on the continent of Asia.

On the flip, Central and South American countries would be doing the best.

Fucking assholes with agendas.

ShooBree
12-01-20, 02:50
Yes for sure, Sweden 10 million people nearly 7000 deaths, very great success.Yes, it's great. So many countries are worse affected despite their lockdowns. No European country got rid of the virus. Now they have to have 3-4 lockdowns a year just to keep the numbers down. Crazy. People forget about the other diseases that kills people.

Many countries regret their lockdowns now. Just look at Napoli, they are angry and tired of the government trying to destroy their lives. Have fun in prison.

ShooBree
12-01-20, 02:52
For French shit cars, when Ferrari, Lamborghini, MacLaren, Porsche supercars don't reach 350 km / h, when Formula 1 are at maximum 370 km / h, but made with French brains and hands, Bugatti, Germans are not able to build among VAG group, is not far from 450 km / h very soon. I also remember V6 engine PRV in Alpine A310 , but also Renault, Peugeot, Citroen and even Volvo, with last letter V for Volvo. If we take Volvo V40 , Golf, Audi A3 not quattro, BMW1 not xdrive, Mercedes A class, any Japanese in this category and 308 , all with same engine power, 150/180 or 200 power, on north Nuburgring which is the truth to test cars performances, then 308 Peugeot is first for sure, because Peugeot have the best sporty balance since decades. Of course in France, not many powerful cars, because speed is like a crime, but when I m arrested overspeeding by French police, they don't put me in jail, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland but treated like a criminal and put with Albanian drugs dealers.French cars are just as shitty as your English.

ExpatLover
12-01-20, 08:01
I still have my 12 points on my driving license, never got a speed fine, drove millions of kilometres, every year around 80000. I only drive land Cruiser diesel. A car is a tool to go from one place to another not a mean to express your frustrations. Strong men don't need strong cars, they are strong. Over speeding is just not respecting the others is considering that the roads belong to you in a kind of exclusivity, is considering that you are over the others, better than the others.

Turgid
12-01-20, 14:05
French cars are just as shitty as your English.ShooBree what's your native tongue?

The Cane
12-01-20, 14:18
ShooBree what's your native tongue?"Assholish" is what it is.

Mursenary
12-01-20, 16:27
"Assholish" is what it is.Yep, the loose variety that just uncontrollably oozes out shit. No wipe, just sits up, buckles his pants, and walks along his merry way leaving a trail of pure liquid shit.

Accompanied with a couple of other shit oozing assholes when speaking of this topic.

McAdonis
12-01-20, 19:32
Compare Sweden to their Nordic neighbors, which is most appropriate given the very similar demographics and logistics, and your whole thesis falls apart. That's given the much higher per capita death rates, for example Sweden 11 times that of Norway.I would add cultural, social, and economic similarities to their Nordic neighbors as well. The harsh winters, which could last up to nine months, cultivated a people that is by nature socially distant and who maintain small social circles. This article dated March 28th offers insight into the Swedish culture and how it benefits them in the age of social distancing:


While people around the world are climbing the walls due to coronavirus lockdowns and social distancing, 21-year-old Swede Cajsa Wiking is unfazed by the prospect of spending time alone in her one-bedroom apartment in Uppsala.

“We are pretty good at staying home and aren't very social compared to other cultures...so that makes it easier for us,” she says. “I’m doing things like organising my closet, working out at home and I’m also reading more.”

More than half of all Swedish homes are, like Wiking’s, made up of one resident, the highest proportion in Europe, according to Eurostat figures. The most common age to move out from your parents’ place is between 18 and 19, compared to an EU average of 26.

Some experts believe that these living patterns might help stem the spread of coronavirus; in current hotspots for infections including Italy and Spain, it is – by contrast – much more common for large families to congregate under one roof..Here are some Quora answers from 2016 to 2018 to the question "Why are Nordic people so cold and unwilling to have social relations especially with foreigners or with people they do not know?".

TLDR, Nordic people aren't known to be "warm" towards people that they do not already know. https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nordic-people-so-cold-and-unwilling-to-have-social-relations-especially-with-foreigners-or-with-people-they-do-not-know.

Mongerer88
12-02-20, 00:39
Here are some Quora answers from 2016 to 2018 to the question "Why are Nordic people so cold and unwilling to have social relations especially with foreigners or with people they do not know?".

TLDR, Nordic people aren't known to be "warm" towards people that they do not already know. https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nordic-people-so-cold-and-unwilling-to-have-social-relations-especially-with-foreigners-or-with-people-they-do-not-know.I booked two-hour sessions with the ladies I saw from Bangkok Gold Escorts. Many spoke excellent English, and the one who loved to talk the most spoke fluent English and was very fun. She told me that she got married to a guy from a Nordic Country, I think it was in fact Sweden, but she hated it. He went off to work every day and she thought everyone in the village was hateful toward her. She got divorced and returned to Bangkok and did escorting. I always figured the village women hated her because she was cute, young and Thai, but maybe there were more cultural things at play than I realized.

Tuber19
12-02-20, 01:11
Compare Sweden to their Nordic neighbors, which is most appropriate given the very similar demographics and logistics, and your whole thesis falls apart. That's given the much higher per capita death rates, for example Sweden 11 times that of Norway. Then you have many countries with widespread compliance with health measures, masks, social distancing, etc. Like Thailand, South Korea, and Taiwan that did extremely well at saving lives and your notion plummet even further. It still amazes me how far so many here go to keep repeating the same fallacies over and over even after they've comprehensively refuted at least 50 times already. It doesn't say much for the IQ of the average monger.

https://www.logicalfallacies.org/argument-from-repetition.htmlActually, comparing Sweden to ONLY Nordic countries dosent make sense on the mask and lockdown subject.

As a fact Norway has less death per capita and that's a fact, so if we examine the reason for that fact by thinking it is because Masks and lockdowns, then all countries with mask and lockdown should have less death per capita comparing to Sweden which is not true ( Uk , France, Spain , Italy etc)

So, the reason for Norway to have less death per capita comparing to Sweden is something else. Just like Why Germany has less death per capita than Italy and Belguim.

McAdonis
12-02-20, 03:52
I booked two-hour sessions with the ladies I saw from Bangkok Gold Escorts. Many spoke excellent English, and the one who loved to talk the most spoke fluent English and was very fun. She told me that she got married to a guy from a Nordic Country, I think it was in fact Sweden, but she hated it. He went off to work every day and she thought everyone in the village was hateful toward her. She got divorced and returned to Bangkok and did escorting. I always figured the village women hated her because she was cute, young and Thai, but maybe there were more cultural things at play than I realized.I am not to familiar with Thai culture. Perhaps they are like the Spanish and Italians of Asia as far as how welcome and open they are to strangers. I have had business-related trips and traveled extensively through Spain and Italy. After a few beers, they will have their arm around you, asking when you will be back, and offering to show you around their hometown. Swedes not so much:


https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200328-how-to-self-isolate-what-we-can-learn-from-sweden

Other commentators have pointed out the way many Swedes already behave when they’re outside in public spaces: it’s the norm to avoid sitting close to others on public transport and unusual to strike up small talk with strangers in shops or cafes.

“As for social distancing, Swedes already have that down and naturally gave each other tons of physical space way before the coronavirus pandemic hit,” says Lola Akinmade Åkerström, an author on Swedish culture.

ExpatLover
12-02-20, 07:36
I booked two-hour sessions with the ladies I saw from Bangkok Gold Escorts. Many spoke excellent English, and the one who loved to talk the most spoke fluent English and was very fun. She told me that she got married to a guy from a Nordic Country, I think it was in fact Sweden, but she hated it. He went off to work every day and she thought everyone in the village was hateful toward her. She got divorced and returned to Bangkok and did escorting. I always figured the village women hated her because she was cute, young and Thai, but maybe there were more cultural things at play than I realized.If I move to a small village in Thailand it will not be the same? I advice you to try to live in a village in France or Germany for sure your social life will be limited.

Sirioja
12-02-20, 10:03
China now claiming virus came from abroad, not from Wuhan, and arresting Chinese who tell was coming from Wuhan and more deaths than claimed.

French doctors think vaccines will protect from heavy lungs diseases those they won t kill with bad unknown effects, but won t prevent those who will get vaccine to catch it and infect others. Some catch several times virus. When many pills to cure something, also kill some organs, when still a lot to discover about this killer virus, but may have also to discover about virus efficiency and effects. Like when I arrive in a brothel, never rushing but eating first, no rush for vaccines, I know my best test = my sports performances which need clean strong lungs.

Mursenary
12-02-20, 15:23
Actually, comparing Sweden to ONLY Nordic countries dosent make sense on the mask and lockdown subject.

As a fact Norway has less death per capita and that's a fact, so if we examine the reason for that fact by thinking it is because Masks and lockdowns, then all countries with mask and lockdown should have less death per capita comparing to Sweden which is not true ( Uk , France, Spain , Italy etc)

So, the reason for Norway to have less death per capita comparing to Sweden is something else. Just like Why Germany has less death per capita than Italy and Belguim.Fact, it's a multi variable situation. Mandated restrictions in societies where people circumvent them results in worse outcomes than less restricted societies where people follow recommendations by clinicians. Do you actually believe that there are more people attending social functions in "mandate-free" Sweden than in Italian and Spanish homes? I don't.

Another fact, last week I sat on my ass on many nights working an NYC hospital, an area where people are actually abiding by the regulations, more or less.

This week I returned to my home hospital system in the Southern United States where no one gives a damn. My 37 bed ICU admitted 5 patients last night, 3 emergently intubated and 2 who will likely follow suit later today if not already. In March / April, staffing would have dictated 1 physician and 1 advance practice provider (PAs and NPs). This time around, we were better prepared with 2 physicians and 3 APPs, with one of each on call (we called).

The hospital system has 128 ICU beds in total. Currently, there is 1 ICU bed left across 3 hospitals. Many more will come through the Emergency Department today requiring intensive care.

The 700+ bed hospital system has 175 confirmed COVID patients with 52 patients awaiting PCR results. The patients in the hospital today are not even the result of the Thanksgiving holiday gatherings. The effect of Thanksgiving celebrations has just started.

Mursenary
12-02-20, 20:49
If I move to a small village in Thailand it will not be the same? I advice you to try to live in a village in France or Germany for sure your social life will be limited.No it would not be. You're over 60 years old, surely you understand the dynamics of white / brown and first-world / third world interactions.

McAdonis
12-02-20, 22:09
Swedish enjoy their solitude and being lone wolfs.


When asked about a national character, almost any newbie or oldie, is likely to describe the typical Swede as shy, reserved and almost uninterested in human contact. Our favourite activity seems to be walking alone in the forest, going to a remotely located cottage far away from any civilisation, or eating sweets in front of the TV on a Friday night.

Most of us do seem to have difficulty initiating contact, appear awkward talking to strangers and acquaintances alike, and rarely form new friendships. Compared to other Europeans, us Swedes tend to use fewer and slighter gestures, maintain less eye contact, and in general, talk less. If you have Swedish business contacts or colleagues, they are probably nice and civil, but rarely give you any glimpse into their private lives, and seem passionately disinterested in yours.

Swedes, infamously, maintain a large personal comfort zone, and feel uncomfortable with people standing too close or worse, touching us. This being a subconscious social agreement, a non-Swede used to a smaller personal comfort zone may try to come closer whilst talking, in order to feel at ease. Consequently, the Swede (still subconsciously) may take a step back in order to maintain their preferred distance.Spanish hate being alone and prefer to be part of the wolfpack.


I have no problem with going to movies or a restaurant alone. I even like the occasional holiday by myself. In Spain, this makes you a weirdo.

As a rule, Spaniards really dont like being alone for more than about five minutes, and if they are, they will pull out their phone and call someone or check their Facebook page. The other week I actually saw a woman shouting into her phone while going for an early Sunday morning run.

This sociability is one of Spains best aspects. If you make the effort, youll never be short of friends. But it also means you can feel very uncomfortable if youre not standing around with a group of 20 other people.

https://www.thelocal.es/20150127/the-five-strangest-things-about-spaniards
Number of single-person households in Sweden is 51 percent. Spain appears to be about half of that: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20180706-1.

As early as February, the World Health Organization noted that most cases in China occurred in family clusters: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-spreads-quickly-among-household-members-cdc-report-finds-n1245493.

Belasarius
12-02-20, 22:22
Can any one explain the price dynamics of paid sex in COVID-19?

Shouldn't the despair in economy result in more ladies selling their bodies and lower prices?

I see opposite. Less choice more expensive. Or are ladies living on prior earnings (or too damn afraid).

Corona is a sexless desert.

ShooBree
12-02-20, 22:41
Yep, the loose variety that just uncontrollably oozes out shit. No wipe, just sits up, buckles his pants, and walks along his merry way leaving a trail of pure liquid shit.

Accompanied with a couple of other shit oozing assholes when speaking of this topic.Nah, I that sounds more like you and the troll "the cane". Self-awareness, ever heard of it?

Mursenary
12-03-20, 03:15
Nah, I that sounds more like you and the troll "the cane". Self-awareness, ever heard of it?Sharp wit this guy. You're terrible.

Paulie97
12-03-20, 03:49
Fact, it's a multi variable situation. Mandated restrictions in societies where people circumvent them results in worse outcomes than less restricted societies where people follow recommendations by clinicians. Do you actually believe that there are more people attending social functions in "mandate-free" Sweden than in Italian and Spanish homes? I don't.This is the point where the arguments of the internet anti-maskers, anti-restrictions crowd breaks down. They want to jump all around, comparing Sweden to South American countries, etc. In a desperate bid to prove that a free approach in Sweden did better than the restrictive ones of other countries. But it has been noted at least 100 times since April, that rules without compliance, either through law or cultural directives, are meaningless. Logistics are also a factor, as many poorer countries have heavy reliance on gig economies, abundant multi-generational households, high percentages of households without refrigerators where large portions shop daily in crowded markets, weak law enforcement, etc.

I also recall another trying to compare Uruguay, a tiny by comparison, affluent South American country with very low poverty rates to their neighbors. This involved the same sort of fallacies as pitting Sweden again the country of the day, but never their Nordic neighbors. Logistics matter, as does demographics, culture, and other factors.

Turgid
12-03-20, 14:00
China now claiming virus came from abroad, not from Wuhan, and arresting Chinese who tell was coming from Wuhan and more deaths than claimed.

French doctors think vaccines will protect from heavy lungs diseases those they won t kill with bad unknown effects, but won t prevent those who will get vaccine to catch it and infect others. Some catch several times virus. When many pills to cure something, also kill some organs, when still a lot to discover about this killer virus, but may have also to discover about virus efficiency and effects. Like when I arrive in a brothel, never rushing but eating first, no rush for vaccines, I know my best test = my sports performances which need clean strong lungs.What will you do if being vaccinated is required to travel from one country to another?

Sirioja
12-03-20, 14:19
What will you do if being vaccinated is required to travel from one country to another?If required in my country, then I climb on Girose glacier, make igloo, and live there. Virus and even police can t compete at 3600 meters high. I trust French doctors from my experiences, but not pills, when I saw too many beloved relatives falling sick from taking pills. Only vaccine I could think about would be Sanofi, but I won't rush when it will be working. Qantas Airways told they would ask for vaccine, but I don't need Qantas. I doubt Swiss or Spanish clubs will ask for vaccine, when LR asked for test.

ShooBree
12-03-20, 16:05
Sharp wit this guy. You're terrible.Cry me a river. You should stop being so obsessed by me, it's creepy.

Many weirdos / trolls on this site.

ShooBree
12-03-20, 16:08
Swedish enjoy their solitude and being lone wolfs.

Spanish hate being alone and prefer to be part of the wolfpack.

Number of single-person households in Sweden is 51 percent. Spain appears to be about half of that: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20180706-1.

As early as February, the World Health Organization noted that most cases in China occurred in family clusters: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-spreads-quickly-among-household-members-cdc-report-finds-n1245493.LOL, I would like to see the hard facts on this.

Sounds more like 90% BS and 10% truth.

Sirioja
12-03-20, 17:11
Can any one explain the price dynamics of paid sex in COVID-19?

Shouldn't the despair in economy result in more ladies selling their bodies and lower prices?

I see opposite. Less choice more expensive. Or are ladies living on prior earnings (or too damn afraid).

Corona is a sexless desert.Even economic crisis should follow virus, but should be less WGs and extras asked for kissing, BBBJ, when new German law didn't change FKK world. But only 1 elegant charming beauty would be enough for me, preferring quality rather than quantity.

Mursenary
12-03-20, 20:24
Cry me a river. You should stop being so obsessed by me, it's creepy.

Many weirdos / trolls on this site.Found this for ya.

Belasarius
12-03-20, 20:48
More econ hardship one would think more WGs.

Less inflated escort price, especially those working FKK, massage etc.

Maybe I don't understand the sexonomics here.

From this and other for a I don't sense there is big demand for escort.

Business trips dead, not much work from office.

Spending all day with the family.

Of course those singletons. Different story.

ShooBree
12-03-20, 20:53
Found this for ya.You sure as hell never used one.

ShooBree
12-03-20, 20:59
This is the point where the arguments of the internet anti-maskers, anti-restrictions crowd breaks down. They want to jump all around, comparing Sweden to South American countries, etc. In a desperate bid to prove that a free approach in Sweden did better than the restrictive ones of other countries. But it has been noted at least 100 times since April, that rules without compliance, either through law or cultural directives, are meaningless. Logistics are also a factor, as many poorer countries have heavy reliance on gig economies, abundant multi-generational households, high percentages of households without refrigerators where large portions shop daily in crowded markets, weak law enforcement, etc.

I also recall another trying to compare Uruguay, a tiny by comparison, affluent South American country with very low poverty rates to their neighbors. This involved the same sort of fallacies as pitting Sweden again the country of the day, but never their Nordic neighbors. Logistics matter, as does demographics, culture, and other factors.Nice straw man.

Spain, Italy, France, Belgium and the UK are not South American countries.

The Cane
12-03-20, 21:06
Found this for ya.I give that a +10!

Mursenary
12-04-20, 00:51
You sure as hell never used one.Criticizing someone's appearance would be more effective if you actually know what the person looks like.

Also, "Yo Momma. ".

AZN Monger
12-04-20, 01:04
Found this for ya.Shoobree's an idiot. I'd just ignore him. He thinks he's always right and gets upset when you challenge him.

Several months back, he took the time to reach out to me via private messages to insult me. When he realized it wouldn't work, he blocked me! LOL!

Thank god, I don't have to listen to his drivel non-sense. I wouldn't have seen his post, but he was quoted in your reply. I see nothing's changed since, haha.

Pahllus Maximus
12-04-20, 01:23
Mursenary.

Good one. Mirror of Erised.

Now girls, maybe Shoobree can have his own sandbox, Jackson can have a provobot, and we can have non bitchy / catty discussions about how and when the vaccine comes and offer girls our own form of jab.

Pahllus Maximus
12-04-20, 01:32
It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.

The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.

And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?

ShooBree
12-04-20, 02:19
Criticizing someone's appearance would be more effective if you actually know what the person looks like.

Also, "Yo Momma. ".Another one straight over your big head.

No one talked about your appearance, don't be so insecure of yourself.

Your below average "intelligence" and your above average arrogance are the two things that makes you the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I will refer to you as DK from now on.

ShooBree
12-04-20, 02:24
It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.

The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.

And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?Maybe you shouldn't drink and write?

Dear Mr Strawman, have you considered going to an AA meeting?

ShooBree
12-04-20, 02:29
Mursenary.

Good one. Mirror of Erised.

Now girls, maybe Shoobree can have his own sandbox, Jackson can have a provobot, and we can have non bitchy / catty discussions about how and when the vaccine comes and offer girls our own form of jab.You're not exactly leading by example. Grow up and stop bitching.

Gino02
12-04-20, 04:51
It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.

The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.

And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?Me! Me! But only if Tupac is the best rapper alive!

Sirioja
12-04-20, 08:40
After Thanksgiving, 3000 with 2700 in rich California, covid deaths yesterday, US will reach soon 300000.995 yesterday in Italy. UK will be first to vaccine very soon, when Germany and France prefer to be more careful to allow vaccines. Sanofi should arrive only on June. It will be war to get enzyms to build vaccines.

ShooBree
12-04-20, 12:34
Criticizing someone's appearance would be more effective if you actually know what the person looks like.

Also, "Yo Momma. ".Another one straight over your big head.

No one talked about your appearance, don't be so insecure of yourself.

Your below average "intelligence" and your above average arrogance are the two things that makes you the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

ShooBree
12-04-20, 12:38
It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.

The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.

And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?Great, another weirdo obsessing over me.

Mursenary
12-04-20, 17:51
Another one straight over your big head.

No one talked about your appearance, don't be so insecure of yourself.

Your below average "intelligence" and your above average arrogance are the two things that makes you the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.Your momma.

McAdonis
12-05-20, 00:35
LOL, I would like to see the hard facts on this.

Sounds more like 90% BS and 10% truth.Look how steep the curve is for daily new cases in Sweden since October 15. First seven months 103,499 cases. Last six weeks 175,413 cases. If the cases had been circulating those first seven months, than a large percentage of Swedish would have acquired natural immunity and the cases should be NOT be increasing now in what appears to be an exponential rate. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/.

One of the reasons is cultural: Swedish people maintain smaller social circles and require less social contact than people from warmer cultures. This is a generalization, and of course there will be exceptions to the rule, but anecdotally I have NEVER heard anything different. This includes expats who have lived in Sweden and Swedish people themselves. Two surveys, one by InterNations and HSBC Expat Explorer found Sweden to be one of the worst places to make friends: https://www.thelocal.se/20171223/why-is-it-so-hard-to-make-friends-with-the-swedes.
Both surveys questioned thousands of expats living around the world on a variety of topics relating to life in their new country, and this year 72 percent of Internations respondents said they found it tough to get to know the Swedes.

"We value the freedom of spending time alone, walking in the forest; there’s a big fascination with peace, harmony, nature, peace and quiet, rather than a pressure to always be doing lots of things with lots of different people," explains Sofi Tegsveden Deveaux

“In Sweden, it’s common to have this idea that people should be ‘självständig’; autonomous and independent, and able to do things without needing help from someone else. But that cuts back on opportunities for social contact.”

She contrasts this with the cultural norms in China and Iran, both places where she has spent a considerable amount of time. “People prefer to be together than to be alone there, and it’s very common for someone to take your hand as you cross the street or put their arm around you while talking – even people you’re not particularly close with,” she explains.

"We native Swedes struggle to make friends with each other too," says native Swede Sofi Tegsveden Deveaux. After leaving Sweden at 18, she returned several years later and remembers finding it difficult to meet new peopleSwedish value a small, but tight circle. That said, Swedish can be better friends to the one or two friends that they have, because they have zero interest in acquiring more friends.


"I think less value is placed on having loads of people you can go and do things with. Swedish friendship involves deeper commitment; people you really trust, enjoy spending time with, and who are essential to your life, while Americans are much more likely to have a really broad group of people you sort of know and hang out with," says anthropologist Maris Gillette.Other articles on Swedish interpersonal distance: https://www.politico.eu/article/social-distance-swedish-style/.

Paulie97
12-05-20, 09:39
Nice straw man.

Spain, Italy, France, Belgium and the UK are not South American countries.But their demographics and logistics are plenty different than Sweden, just like those South American countries. Just grow a pair and compare your country Sweden to your Nordic neighbors. Explain why your per capita death rates are drastically higher. Explain why daily cases are shooting through the roof at present, even though your claimed there months ago that herd immunity is reached at 20%, and that your country was almost there. Rather than whining about how everyone is picking on you, why not step up and engage in some legitimate rational discussion? Wink.

Gino02
12-05-20, 16:17
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20201125-te-romance-scammers-exploiting-lockdown-loneliness

BigBuddy69
12-05-20, 18:43
Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/Actually I was wrong only one time about the Spanish deficit (shame on me, I embarrassed myself because I assumed that 100% of your posts are total bullshits) and you've been right only one time (congratulations). All your other arguments make no sense except in your alternate universe.

As for the comparison with Nordic countries that's easy.

Just check on any serious website (odcd. Org for example) that Norway, Denmark have similar demographics with Sweden. Major difference: they enforced a lockdown. But shooTroll has some trouble doing comparisons: in one of his ramblings he used Ireland as an example of ineffective lockdown. The only problem is that Ireland a way less deaths par capita than Sweden.

It's also possible to compute the weighted average of deaths per capita in Europe in the lockdown countries and in the no lockdown country.

I'm pretty sure that the result won't be too bright for Sweden.

Sirioja
12-05-20, 18:50
NL didn't confine for first wave, but did for second, not to kill too many people, when small Sweden killed many old on first wave. Killing Thanksgiving in US. Third wave in South Korea. Let s see vaccine effects in UK which wanted to rush first.

ShooBree
12-05-20, 19:31
But their demographics and logistics are plenty different than Sweden, just like those South American countries. Just grow a pair and compare your country Sweden to your Nordic neighbors. Explain why your per capita death rates are drastically higher. Explain why daily cases are shooting through the roof at present, even though your claimed there months ago that herd immunity is reached at 20%, and that your country was almost there. Rather than whining about how everyone is picking on you, why not step up and engage in some legitimate rational discussion? Wink.Sadly enough you've ruined every attempt of having a serious discussion. You don't care about facts, you're just a NPC repeating what you've heard on CNN.

Besides your total disinterest in having any serious discussion, you're also absolutely clueless about the world outside of USA. You represent the worst of USA. The ignorance, arrogance and rudeness.

I will not entertain your cherry-picking, it's simply laughable. It's funny how countries suddenly becomes "impossible" to compare when it doesn't fit your agenda. More importantly, you're dead wrong.

I was right about COVID-19, the lockdowns didn't eradicate the virus and the number of deaths stayed relatively low. It mostly took out those already on their way to check out. It's fun to see how hysteric you're over the inevitable. I'm surprised how few died, almost 0 per 100'000 for people under 50 when adjusting for underlying health problems. Please explain why the Swedish strategy worked out so much better than the strategy the blue states in USA used. Another failure for the Democrats and proof of how liberals can talk all day but never walk the talk. The party of empty promises.

Sirioja
12-05-20, 20:48
NL didn't confine for first wave, but did for second, not to kill too many people, when small Sweden killed many old on first wave. Killing Thanksgiving in US. Third wave in South Korea. Let s see vaccine effects in UK which wanted to rush first.Russia and China started to vaccine, but we won t know the truth about risks there, when some Chinese are telling Chinese covid deaths figures are wrong, when they are not arrested because trying to tell the truth.

Paulie97
12-05-20, 21:45
I will not entertain your cherry-picking.Comparing the Nordic countries to the Nordic countries is far from "cherry-picking," but is simply the proper way to do analysis. That's given that the logistics and demographics are so similar. You perpetually refuse do that though as it betrays your country's gross failures. I'm surprised your neighbors started letting you cross the border again. You are lucky.


you're also absolutely clueless about the world outside of USA. You represent the worst of USA. The ignorance, arrogance and rudeness. When all else fails run to the ad hominem, all while my questions are completely avoided. LOL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

And yea, three months ago you posted an article related to a non peer viewed "study" from some fringe scientists, three or four of them that claimed herd immunity with Covid is achieved at 20%. You then extrapolated that to Sweden saying you were almost there. Okay then if that is so then why have daily case counts been spiking through the roof there recently? That question was avoided entirely also. All you did was cry about CNN and Democrats. Waaa Waaa the election is over, but that has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. You quite simply are a big cry baby, constantly complaining about how everyone here is picking on you. But you have no ability to have a legitimate rational discussion, thus the criticisms. LOL.

ShooBree
12-05-20, 23:54
Comparing the Nordic countries to the Nordic countries is far from "cherry-picking," but is simply the proper way to do analysis. That's given that the logistics and demographics are so similar. You perpetually refuse do that though as it betrays your country's gross failures. I'm surprised your neighbors started letting you cross the border again. You are lucky.

When all else fails run to the ad hominem, all while my questions are completely avoided. LOL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

And yea, three months ago you posted an article related to a non peer viewed "study" from some fringe scientists, three or four of them that claimed herd immunity with Covid is achieved at 20%. You then extrapolated that to Sweden saying you were almost there. Okay then if that is so then why have daily case counts been spiking through the roof there recently? That question was avoided entirely also. All you did was cry about CNN and Democrats. Waaa Waaa the election is over, but that has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. You quite simply are a big cry baby, constantly complaining about how everyone here is picking on you. But you have no ability to have a legitimate rational discussion, thus the criticisms. LOL.As always you avoided big parts of my reply and went straight ahead to defend your cherry-picking and concentrated on making childish personal attacks against me. The ugly American strikes again.

ScatManDoo
12-06-20, 01:05
Comparing the Nordic countries to the Nordic countries is far from "cherry-picking," but is simply the proper way to do analysis. That's given that the logistics and demographics are so similar. You perpetually refuse do that though as it betrays your country's gross failures. I'm surprised your neighbors started letting you cross the border again. You are lucky.

When all else fails run to the ad hominem, all while my questions are completely avoided. LOL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

And yea, three months ago you posted an article related to a non peer viewed "study" from some fringe scientists, three or four of them that claimed herd immunity with Covid is achieved at 20%. You then extrapolated that to Sweden saying you were almost there. Okay then if that is so then why have daily case counts been spiking through the roof there recently? That question was avoided entirely also. All you did was cry about CNN and Democrats. Waaa Waaa the election is over, but that has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. You quite simply are a big cry baby, constantly complaining about how everyone here is picking on you. But you have no ability to have a legitimate rational discussion, thus the criticisms. LOL.Paulie is exactly correct.

Sweden's refusal to lockdown has proven to be a big failure.

Their Covid problem is far more out of control that the situation in just about all of their Nordic neighbors. People have died in Sweden that didn't need to based on the superior results of their immediate neighbors (who are using better, more effective, strategies).

Pahllus Maximus
12-06-20, 05:10
My Antarctica area 51/ CIA / government conspiracy cover up / UFO etc place established in 1945 now offers Fox News. And I heard Shoobree is to be given a 5 minute slot daily. It is reserved for a few holdouts with alzheimers and age who refuse alien treatment.

The problem is that the alien technology has made everyone 20 (it reverses ageing) as well as billionaires. There is gold mountain going down to the earths mantle and even time / space travel to planet FKK about 6969 light years away that is traversed in just 3 minutes. My god. The orgies! The women! Imagine anything you want and it will be so.

ShooBree
12-06-20, 12:50
Paulie is exactly correct.

Sweden's refusal to lockdown has proven to be a big failure.

Their Covid problem is far more out of control that the situation in just about all of their Nordic neighbors. People have died in Sweden that didn't need to based on the superior results of their immediate neighbors (who are using better, more effective, strategies).What a surprise, libtard #1 agrees with libtard #2.

I call it a great success. Sweden still did a lot better than the blue states and many other countries that had lockdowns. It's ridiculous to have lockdowns because of virus that almost only kills the old and weak. 7000 deaths, that's nothing.

The lockdowns caused a lot more harm for a lot more people.

Mursenary
12-06-20, 13:28
Sadly enough you've ruined every attempt of having a serious discussion. You don't care about facts, you're just a NPC repeating what you've heard on CNN.There it is, he's a gamer dork. All makes sense now. AZN Monger had the right idea. Click.

ShooBree
12-06-20, 14:31
Actually I was wrong only one time about the Spanish deficit (shame on me, I embarrassed myself because I assumed that 100% of your posts are total bullshits) and you've been right only one time (congratulations). All your other arguments make no sense except in your alternate universe.

As for the comparison with Nordic countries that's easy.

Just check on any serious website (odcd. Org for example) that Norway, Denmark have similar demographics with Sweden. Major difference: they enforced a lockdown. But shooTroll has some trouble doing comparisons: in one of his ramblings he used Ireland as an example of ineffective lockdown. The only problem is that Ireland a way less deaths par capita than Sweden.

It's also possible to compute the weighted average of deaths per capita in Europe in the lockdown countries and in the no lockdown country.

I'm pretty sure that the result won't be too bright for Sweden.No, you've been wrong every time you opened your mouth and I've been correct every time. What about the net contribution to the EU? You got it wrong two or three times even when you corrected yourself afterwards.

It's funny that you're so obsessed with me that you go through my posts that are several months old. I guess I can live rent free in your empty head. At the time of my post Ireland had more deaths than Sweden. Ireland still has a lot of deaths considering all their restrictions. You do realize that lockdowns hurts people? Many will suffer because of the lockdowns.

I'm pretty sure that Sweden and EU-26 have seen deaths of around 600-700 per million. Not exactly the result you want from implementing lockdowns, but it looks extremely bright for Sweden.

I would be more worried about the harmful effects we've seen from the lockdowns. Most of the dead wouldn't have lived much longer anyways. I guess one of the reasons why Sweden couldn't have a lockdown is that we have to pay the bills for the other countries in the EU. If only Sweden could receive big money from the EU as the others do.

Turgid
12-06-20, 15:44
Paulie is exactly correct.

Sweden's refusal to lockdown has proven to be a big failure.

Their Covid problem is far more out of control that the situation in just about all of their Nordic neighbors. People have died in Sweden that didn't need to based on the superior results of their immediate neighbors (who are using better, more effective, strategies).I just read Belgium has the highest death rate from covid 19 per 1 million people in the world. Why is that?

Sirioja
12-06-20, 17:00
I just read Belgium has the highest death rate from covid 19 per 1 million people in the world. Why is that?Maybe they are more honest than many other countries, when Belgium is not third world country. For example, US can t really know among more than 10 millions illegals who won t go to hospital, same like with so many millions without healthcare insurance, even millions are working but don t have insurance. Nobody know for China, Russia. Covid kill lungs, but will also provide economic diseases with many becoming poor losing job, also dark mood diseases, loneliness, when many countries are now under second wave, but third wave is also starting before vaccines. Snow arrived in Western Europe, fell nearly 1 meter high in mountains on last days, so, for a better mood, I will put my friends skis Neo and ski shoes in car, even no ski lift working in France, but to dream about a virgin line if I find a spot for my best Christmas present.

Gino02
12-06-20, 17:38
I just read Belgium has the highest death rate from covid 19 per 1 million people in the world. Why is that?This virus is having pretty much the same effect irrespective of masks or no masks, lockdowns or no lockdowns. Big advantage of no lockdowns are (1) achieve herd immunity quicker, (2) does not kill people's livelihoods. Only negative is that the inevitable deaths of the weak people cannot be delayed, but they weren't immortal before the virus either, and were susceptible to death by pathogens anyway.

Now, let's start flaming me for stating the obvious.

McAdonis
12-06-20, 18:39
I just read Belgium has the highest death rate from covid 19 per 1 million people in the world. Why is that?Short answer is Belgium had more total cases per capita and Belgium got hit earlier than most of Europe (when countries were less logistically prepared and less was known about treatment).

Why did Belgium have more total cases? Well here is the population density map of Europe. The darkest areas correspond to the areas with the most people per squared kilometer. By far the highest concentration of people in Europe is Paris, however, the largest contiguous cluster of black and purple is the NRW, Belgium, and Netherlands region. The second biggest cluster of black and purple is the southern UK. And what is geographic center of these two dark clusters? You guessed, it Brussels. So we would expect the most infections there: http://aestheticdata.eu/2018/01/27/population-density-in-europe/.

Why did Belgium get hit early? By train, London is two hours away, Paris 90 minutes, and Amsterdam two hours. Based on international flights, these are number one, two, and three most "connected" airports in Europe: https://bigseventravel.com/2019/11/the-7-busiest-airports-in-europe/.

Strictly looking at numbers, Belgium, Spain, Italy, and UK had some of the highest death rates in Europe. On a per-capita death basis, Romania outperformed all four of these richer countries by a wide margin. But ask yourself is that a fair comparison? While the city of Bucharest is one of the most dense cities in Europe, let's be honest, there isn't much else around it. Also, compared to London or Paris, Bucharest is a remote and disconnected "village". Bucharest simply is NOT a financial hub. Nor is it particularly connected to Wuhan. And as much as WGs like to flock to the Black Sea coast of Romania, it does not see anywhere near the summer tourist traffic as France, Spain, or Italy. So for the same reason I would not compare Romania's performance to Belgium's, I would also not compare Sweden's performance to Belgium's. Comparing Nordic countries with each other is more apples-to-apples.

Mursenary
12-06-20, 21:18
This virus is having pretty much the same effect irrespective of masks or no masks, lockdowns or no lockdowns. Big advantage of no lockdowns are (1) achieve herd immunity quicker, (2) does not kill people's livelihoods. Only negative is that the inevitable deaths of the weak people cannot be delayed, but they weren't immortal before the virus either, and were susceptible to death by pathogens anyway.

Now, let's start flaming me for stating the obvious.Explain Australia, New Zealand, and East Asian countries where distancing and masks are not only policy but also practiced. You won't, because you can't.

Doesn't look like North America, Europe (+Sweden), or South America will achieve herd immunity before vaccine roll out.

Paulie97
12-06-20, 23:55
Explain Australia, New Zealand, and East Asian countries where distancing and masks are not only policy but also practiced. You won't, because you can't.

Doesn't look like North America, Europe (+Sweden), or South America will achieve herd immunity before vaccine roll out.Gino is obviously under the impression that if he repeats the same lies over and over for long enough they'll become true.

McAdonis
12-07-20, 00:39
Explain Australia, New Zealand, and East Asian countries where distancing and masks are not only policy but also practiced. You won't, because you can't.

Doesn't look like North America, Europe (+Sweden), or South America will achieve herd immunity before vaccine roll out.Finland and Norway are performing the best in Europe. Scandinavians are famously known for maintaining personal space, similar to the way Germans are famous for their punctuality. First time I mentioned it here, I believe at least two ISGers jokingly said "Yah that describes us perfectly!" I don't remember who it was, maybe it was just two "libtards" who created fake accounts pretending to be Scandinavian, but I doubt it. Because it is consistent with my real-life offline experience: Whenever this "stereotype" about them is brought up, Scandinavians will ALWAYS take the opportunity to make fun of themselves first, because (1) it is a noticeable and easily observable part of their culture, and (2) makes the conversation less awkward.

ShooBree
12-07-20, 01:47
There it is, he's a gamer dork. All makes sense now. AZN Monger had the right idea. Click.You're wrong as always, I haven't played computer games in my entire life. But you're obviously a "gamer dork". That would explain your awkwardness.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time? Every time you write a post it's the Dunning-Kruger effect all over again.

ShooBree
12-07-20, 02:17
Finland and Norway are performing the best in Europe. Scandinavians are famously known for maintaining personal space, similar to the way Germans are famous for their punctuality. First time I mentioned it here, I believe at least two ISGers jokingly said "Yah that describes us perfectly!" I don't remember who it was, maybe it was just two "libtards" who created fake accounts pretending to be Scandinavian, but I doubt it. Because it is consistent with my real-life offline experience: Whenever this "stereotype" about them is brought up, Scandinavians will ALWAYS take the opportunity to make fun of themselves first, because (1) it is a noticeable and easily observable part of their culture, and (2) makes the conversation less awkward.I highly doubt that any ISG: ers wrote that. But feel free to share your sources.

It seems to me that you take jokes and exaggerations and elevate them to some kind of "truths". It's like the articles you referred to earlier, 90-99% exaggerations and pure BS to make a more "exotic"/ clickable article.

20% of the Swedish population are immigrants, around 30% if you include the children of these immigrants, what effect could that possible have when it comes to change in culture and the spread of the virus?

Caricatures are not truths.

Gino02
12-07-20, 03:50
Gino is obviously under the impression that if he repeats the same lies over and over for long enough they'll become true.LOL so tell me which country got the virus totally out by lockdowns and masking? None! Right?

Frankly, if anyone is scared of it at this point, why not wear hazmat suits 24 x 7, even at own home?

Pahllus Maximus
12-07-20, 08:12
The Aera51/ UFO / CIA / Conspiracy / Cover up Antarctica base has ZERO Covid. Cynics here may argue that is because it does not exist, but that ignores Fox news and social media. Rather than masks, beautiful and foxy 18 year olds give morning blowjobs and smile a lot, and this seems to repel disease and dark thoughts. I pioneered this in Asia, but it seems the penguins passed on ancient wisdom in their own way when Hitler built a secret base in 1945 after meeting some hot alien chicks who gave him a ride in their flying saucer and then a different sort of carnal ride. "Mein Gott" he said realizing hot chicks were heaps better than broomstick up the butt old white guys parading around like wind up robots. These days, Elvis, Hitler, JFK, Stalin and Idi Amin have coffee mornings with hot girls draped over them, waiting the 30 minutes before full sexual recharge kicks in. Thanks to age reversal, these men are in their prime. I suspect Churchill is on this board, and who knows, it may be the dog.

Who wants to visit and Planet 6969 ?

Sirioja
12-07-20, 09:18
Maybe vitamin D would be as efficient as rushing vaccines, maybe why Africa resisted quite well, wish god would save UK queen after vaccine. Already third and worst wave for South Korea now.

Rocky V
12-07-20, 18:30
This virus is having pretty much the same effect irrespective of masks or no masks, lockdowns or no lockdowns. Big advantage of no lockdowns are (1) achieve herd immunity quicker, (2) does not kill people's livelihoods. Only negative is that the inevitable deaths of the weak people cannot be delayed, but they weren't immortal before the virus either, and were susceptible to death by pathogens anyway.

Now, let's start flaming me for stating the obvious.If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?

Mursenary
12-07-20, 19:45
LOL so tell me which country got the virus totally out by lockdowns and masking? None! Right?

Frankly, if anyone is scared of it at this point, why not wear hazmat suits 24 x 7, even at own home?New Zealand.

Mursenary
12-07-20, 19:47
If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?He's basically one point above ShoeBree. Should not be taken seriously. It'll make you dumber if you do.

Sirioja
12-07-20, 19:50
If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?Some here are on crazy orange golfer who still play ridiculous loser level, thinking they know better than doctors, and of course high deaths rate, small Sweden is nothing for a good example, Africa being much more interesting for example, for me.

Gino02
12-07-20, 20:30
If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?Then why don't you wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 now to protect yourself from this virus? LOL.

Turgid
12-07-20, 22:29
Then why don't you wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 now to protect yourself from this virus? LOL.It will be challenging to have sex wearing a hazmat suit.

Gino02
12-07-20, 22:42
It will be challenging to have sex wearing a hazmat suit.But he will be safe from Covid-19, right? He has to choose what he wants, none of us can help him on that LOL.

Paulie97
12-08-20, 00:47
If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?I love it. Touche!

McAdonis
12-08-20, 00:58
It seems to me that you take jokes and exaggerations and elevate them to some kind of "truths". It's like the articles you referred to earlier, 90-99% exaggerations and pure BS to make a more "exotic"/ clickable article.

Caricatures are not truths.This was a joint Swedish American sitcom that aired on TV4 in Sweden. At 1 min15 Swedish wife explains to her American husband how Swedish don't really make new friends: https://youtu.be/1JHgLF6X9KU.

Tongue-in cheek Nissan ad campaign: https://www.lbbonline.com/news/nissan-knows-in-finland-personal-space-is-sacred.

Both of the above targeted Scandinavian audiences, so I doubt producers would put out content that is culturally offensive or untrue, but rather content that is relatable and resonates with their Scandinavian demographic. Many memes and YouTube skits capturing this cultural phenomenon are actually put out there by Scandinavians themselves. Scandinavians also post commentary videos on this topic to help bridge cultural gaps and misunderstandings.

https://blogs.studyinsweden.se/2016/01/15/public-transport-sweden-bus-seating/

https://9gag.com/gag/awnz9L8

Literally every Scandinavian person I have ever met who has spent any significant time abroad has remarked on this, especially if they lived in say America or Latin America. These cultural habits of "personal space" and "minimising small talk" are ingrained in them from a young age and hard for them to break. In their home countries, acting like this is acceptable and appreciated by their fellow Scandinavians. At the same time, they learn to "context switch" or moderate their behaviour when living abroad, because they realise that non-Scandinavians would find them "cold", "distant", "arrogant", "unfriendly", or even "socially awkward".

Pahllus Maximus
12-08-20, 04:06
I remember many internet documentaries and magazine where Swedish schoolgirls (over 18) were very progressive and had raunchy adventures. Based on this research and Fox news, I became aware of the Antarctica base and Planet 6969 and free shuttle service. Shoobree has enabled many breakthrough insights in epidemiology I otherwise might have been ignorant of. We are so lucky to have this forum. It is a bit like sex education for horny teenagers. Again, I was fortunate with graphic magazines and the internet to get an insiders perspective of the female brain. They sound just like us!

There are no mask or COVID in either the Antarctica base and Planet 6969. If you pay $US1 m in the next 5 minutes, I can have a flying saucer at your front door for a transfer. Just call 1-800-SUCKER and ask for Schatsi!

Gino02
12-08-20, 06:08
I remember many internet documentaries and magazine where Swedish schoolgirls (over 18) were very progressive and had raunchy adventures. Based on this research and Fox news, I became aware of the Antarctica base and Planet 6969 and free shuttle service. Shoobree has enabled many breakthrough insights in epidemiology I otherwise might have been ignorant of. We are so lucky to have this forum. It is a bit like sex education for horny teenagers. Again, I was fortunate with graphic magazines and the internet to get an insiders perspective of the female brain. They sound just like us!

There are no mask or COVID in either the Antarctica base and Planet 6969. If you pay $US1 m in the next 5 minutes, I can have a flying saucer at your front door for a transfer. Just call 1-800-SUCKER and ask for Schatsi!Great! Which of these (attached pics) masks do I need to wear in your flying saucer?

ShooBree
12-08-20, 06:23
I remember many internet documentaries and magazine where Swedish schoolgirls (over 18) were very progressive and had raunchy adventures. Based on this research and Fox news, I became aware of the Antarctica base and Planet 6969 and free shuttle service. Shoobree has enabled many breakthrough insights in epidemiology I otherwise might have been ignorant of. We are so lucky to have this forum. It is a bit like sex education for horny teenagers. Again, I was fortunate with graphic magazines and the internet to get an insiders perspective of the female brain. They sound just like us!

There are no mask or COVID in either the Antarctica base and Planet 6969. If you pay $US1 m in the next 5 minutes, I can have a flying saucer at your front door for a transfer. Just call 1-800-SUCKER and ask for Schatsi!You should probably start taking your meds again, weirdo.

Rocky V
12-08-20, 14:51
Then why don't you wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 now to protect yourself from this virus? LOL.For the same reason why I don't wear a helmet and protective goggles when I drive a car. Masks are enough, no need for hazmat suits to keep the transmission of the virus low in the community.

Mursenary
12-08-20, 14:54
How strange is it that people's coronavirus opinions are so often aligned with their general political views.

When all of your beliefs line up with one political party, your beliefs are likely socialized. They are not original thoughts; rather, they are taken from other people. In short, you are not a clear thinker. Naval Ravikant said something of the sort.

Coincidentally, most of the opponents of COVID19 mitigation on this board have also been consistently Trumpian, or at the very least right leaning. In the past, the left wingers have been the masters of brain control. As evident by the posts of Hammer, Gino, and Shoe, right wingers have clearly caught on to this practice.

Gino02
12-08-20, 21:18
For the same reason why I don't wear a helmet and protective goggles when I drive a car. Masks are enough, no need for hazmat suits to keep the transmission of the virus low in the community.So masks are working well in the community? Everyone is safe now?

Gino02
12-08-20, 21:21
How strange is it that people's coronavirus opinions are so often aligned with their general political views.

When all of your beliefs line up with one political party, your beliefs are likely socialized. They are not original thoughts; rather, they are taken from other people. In short, you are not a clear thinker. Naval Ravikant said something of the sort.

Coincidentally, most of the opponents of COVID19 mitigation on this board have also been consistently Trumpian, or at the very least right leaning. In the past, the left wingers have been the masters of brain control. As evident by the posts of Hammer, Gino, and Shoe, right wingers have clearly caught on to this practice.Has it ever occurred to you that some people may be more logical than yourself?

ShooBree
12-08-20, 21:22
How strange is it that people's coronavirus opinions are so often aligned with their general political views.

When all of your beliefs line up with one political party, your beliefs are likely socialized. They are not original thoughts; rather, they are taken from other people. In short, you are not a clear thinker. Naval Ravikant said something of the sort.

Coincidentally, most of the opponents of COVID19 mitigation on this board have also been consistently Trumpian, or at the very least right leaning. In the past, the left wingers have been the masters of brain control. As evident by the posts of Hammer, Gino, and Shoe, right wingers have clearly caught on to this practice.The right-wingers in Sweden wanted stricter restrictions but the left-wing prime minister went the other way. So it's not about politics for me.

ShooBree
12-08-20, 21:51
This was a joint Swedish American sitcom that aired on TV4 in Sweden. At 1 min15 Swedish wife explains to her American husband how Swedish don't really make new friends: https://youtu.be/1JHgLF6X9KU.

Tongue-in cheek Nissan ad campaign: https://www.lbbonline.com/news/nissan-knows-in-finland-personal-space-is-sacred.

Both of the above targeted Scandinavian audiences, so I doubt producers would put out content that is culturally offensive or untrue, but rather content that is relatable and resonates with their Scandinavian demographic. Many memes and YouTube skits capturing this cultural phenomenon are actually put out there by Scandinavians themselves. Scandinavians also post commentary videos on this topic to help bridge cultural gaps and misunderstandings.I see that you still don't understand Scandinavians / Swedes, they're the least patriotic people in the world. They don't mind jokes being made on their expense not do they mind the gross exaggerations. For them it's easier to laugh than to correct the person since they don't really care anyways.

Are these videos also about Scandinavia?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sgJ24hknbHs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12ngQixZ4II

I've traveled all over the world and lived abroad for several years and the only country where the people are remarkably different (in a good way) would be Brazil. Great country with great people and even greater garotas de programa.

Sirioja
12-08-20, 21:51
For the same reason why I don't wear a helmet and protective goggles when I drive a car. Masks are enough, no need for hazmat suits to keep the transmission of the virus low in the community.I put on mask for my respect for others, even I hate, but I don't put when I drive, when I see many alone in their car, but putting on mask. I don't put helmet when free riding among rocks, nor when going downhill with bicycle around 70 km / h which give more impressive sensations, nearly flying, than 250 km / h on German autobahns. I was amazed to see some US threatening coughing in face of other people, but they are now close to 300000, number 1.

Pahllus Maximus
12-09-20, 01:29
Gino.

Hot chicks will be at the flying saucer with a big smile, kiss and giggle that destroys COVID and any unhappiness. So no mask. And as there is not STDs in Planet 6969 or Antarctica, no masks or condoms.

Even Shoobree will be happy and soon have his attention on other more pleasurable activities. As for meds, few need them, but the alien meds make earth based LSD tame. It really is a land of joy, wild sex and peace. I am surprised there are so few takers. It is all true even if does not exist.

Mursenary
12-09-20, 02:56
Has it ever occurred to you that some people may be more logical than yourself?Think about it everyday to keep grounded; however, have not seen much of it on this forum, particularly this thread.

Especially when contra-arguments from people such as yourself seem to consistently conveniently ignore points you can't repudiate such as increase hospitalizations and healthcare overburden leading to unnecessary mortality.

Only logical argument could be "keep societies open, but enforce physical distancing and protective face coverings. " Don't seem to be even get that. So yeah, there's that.

Mursenary
12-09-20, 03:03
I put on mask for my respect for others, even I hate, but I don't put when I drive, when I see many alone in their car, but putting on mask. I don't put helmet when free riding among rocks, nor when going downhill with bicycle around 70 km / h which give more impressive sensations, nearly flying, than 250 km / h on German autobahns. I was amazed to see some US threatening coughing in face of other people, but they are now close to 300000, number 1.Silly Frenchman, adjusting for population size, France has 864 deaths per million compared to 882 per million. Not exactly anything to brag about. Your personal contempt for America is showing.

Mursenary
12-09-20, 03:10
The right-wingers in Sweden wanted stricter restrictions but the left-wing prime minister went the other way. So it's not about politics for me.Yeah, because you're not really Swedish in any appreciable or classical sense. Regardless of whatever citizenship, you're just a rando who emulates all the worst things about the American experience.

Side notes, not really sure what videos about universal personal space has anything to do with preferences for small social circles.

Mursenary
12-09-20, 03:13
For the same reason why I don't wear a helmet and protective goggles when I drive a car. Masks are enough, no need for hazmat suits to keep the transmission of the virus low in the community.Obvious statements that shouldn't have to be iterated for unbiased minds right?

Futile though, your reason and logic won't work here. They just subscribe to a prepackaged socio-political ideological bundle.

Sirioja
12-09-20, 15:10
Silly Frenchman, adjusting for population size, France has 864 deaths per million compared to 882 per million. Not exactly anything to brag about. Your personal contempt for America is showing.So jealous faker with many profiles, Takedown, escape artist and others? I remember so funny at GT with Lucifer who came to me.

McAdonis
12-09-20, 15:27
Are these videos also about Scandinavia?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sgJ24hknbHs.You cannot be serious. That video shows a stranger attempting to get into kissing range, chest-to-chest. Every person in every culture would retreat if a stranger were to do that. Likewise choosing a seat next to someone when there is nothing but free seats around is creepy in any culture. At that point, we are just talking personal safety.

Look at the spontaneous photos that were taken at Scandinavian bus stops that pre-date the pandemic 2015-2018. Busy bus stops with 20-30 people waiting, yet people form these long lines where each person is 2-3 meters apart. Foreigners take photos of this cultural phenomenon because it is so different to what they find back home. Scandinavians make that extra effort to keep away from each other. Here is another one taken up close where we can more closely gauge how far apart people actually are. This is NOT taken April 2020 at the height of CV19 hysteria, but September 2019. https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/d3knjz/currently_witnessing_the_finnish_bus_stop/.

You can find dozens of videos of Scandinavians posting "10 things not to do in Sweden" or "5 ways to annoy Finnish". Virtually all them advise not to small talk and to maintain proper distance protocol (and these videos will also predate the pandemic). You can find cultural handbooks on how to conduct business in Scandinavia (advising foreign businessmen to maintain distance). Essentially these guides are made specifically for foreigners, so they know not to behave as they are accustomed to back home. These guides would NOT be necessary if there were not drastic cultural differences. Without them, one might accidentally offend or create misunderstandings with the other party. Or lead to uncomfortable and awkward situations. In a hundred years, as the world globalizes, this concept of personal space may erode, but the Scandinavians still seem to retain habits from their more insular past.

Rocky V
12-09-20, 16:39
So masks are working well in the community? Everyone is safe now?After almost a year into this crisis and people still don't understand that wearing a mask is one of the weapons we have to limit the spread of the virus. Together with distancing and regular hand-washing, masks are the only weapons we have until vaccines become widely available. If everybody had taken these measures seriously from the start, we wouldn't be in such a mess and we would still be enjoying our beloved FKK clubs.

Gino02
12-09-20, 17:07
Think about it everyday to keep grounded; however, have not seen much of it on this forum, particularly this thread.

Especially when contra-arguments from people such as yourself seem to consistently conveniently ignore points you can't repudiate such as increase hospitalizations and healthcare overburden leading to unnecessary mortality.

Only logical argument could be "keep societies open, but enforce physical distancing and protective face coverings. " Don't seem to be even get that. So yeah, there's that.So you really believe that weak people won't be safer in hazmat suits irrespective of if others are or aren't wearing masks, compared to just wearing masks and keep expecting everyone else would wear masks?

Pahllus Maximus
12-09-20, 18:56
It is a fact that Gypsy tears will protect.

Amazing this has not been mentioned, or taking the flying saucer shuttle to Planet 6969.

Meanwhile, here is a taste of star wars with R2 as it really was. Unfortunately nepotism and intrigue had this scene cut from the movie.

Sirioja
12-09-20, 20:31
Just starting on first day in UK rushing Pfizer which fucked Trump for elections, and already effects and allergies. I will keep on trusting my old health, more safe for me.

ShooBree
12-09-20, 22:18
Yeah, because you're not really Swedish in any appreciable or classical sense. Regardless of whatever citizenship, you're just a rando who emulates all the worst things about the American experience.

Side notes, not really sure what videos about universal personal space has anything to do with preferences for small social circles.You must stop making a fool out of yourself, if you had read the post which I responded to you would have seen that he mentioned personal space in his post. Why are you so stupid?

I don't know what you're or where you are from but if I had to guess I would say that you're probably created in a lab in an attempt to create the dumbest and most arrogant person the world has ever seen.

ShooBree
12-09-20, 22:41
You cannot be serious. That video shows a stranger attempting to get into kissing range, chest-to-chest. Every person in every culture would retreat if a stranger were to do that. Likewise choosing a seat next to someone when there is nothing but free seats around is creepy in any culture. At that point, we are just talking personal safety.

Look at the spontaneous photos that were taken at Scandinavian bus stops that pre-date the pandemic 2015-2018. Busy bus stops with 20-30 people waiting, yet people form these long lines where each person is 2-3 meters apart. Foreigners take photos of this cultural phenomenon because it is so different to what they find back home. Scandinavians make that extra effort to keep away from each other. Here is another one taken up close where we can more closely gauge how far apart people actually are. This is NOT taken April 2020 at the height of CV19 hysteria, but September 2019. https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/d3knjz/currently_witnessing_the_finnish_bus_stop/.

You can find dozens of videos of Scandinavians posting "10 things not to do in Sweden" or "5 ways to annoy Finnish". Virtually all them advise not to small talk and to maintain proper distance protocol (and these videos will also predate the pandemic). You can find cultural handbooks on how to conduct business in Scandinavia (advising foreign businessmen to maintain distance). Essentially these guides are made specifically for foreigners, so they know not to behave as they are accustomed to back home. These guides would NOT be necessary if there were not drastic cultural differences. Without them, one might accidentally offend or create misunderstandings with the other party. Or lead to uncomfortable and awkward situations. In a hundred years, as the world globalizes, this concept of personal space may erode, but the Scandinavians still seem to retain habits from their more insular past.All the pictures you've posted links to are from Finland. I've never been to Finland but they're considered to be different from the rest of Scandinavia. They certainly have less immigrants than the rest of us. You make the mistake of assuming that all Scandinavian countries are alike when not even all regions in Scandinavian countries are the same. The people in Skåne are jokingly referred to as Danes and the the people in Norrland as different from the rest of the world.

It's not that you don't have a point, the problem is merely that you and the links you've posted are so exaggerated. Like the clip for that film or whatever it is, people are not laughing at it because it's true. They're laughing because it's so ridiculous. The next thing should be to show the problem of polar bears in Stockholm.

Mursenary
12-09-20, 22:52
So jealous faker with many profiles, Takedown, escape artist and others? I remember so funny at GT with Lucifer who came to me.Yes, I also remember being stalked in the GT locker room by an elderly man 15 minutes after closing wanting the deets. It was Scary.

But what does that have anything to do with silly posting of American covid numbers with France doing just as shitty?

Mursenary
12-09-20, 23:17
So you really believe that weak people won't be safer in hazmat suits irrespective of if others are or aren't wearing masks, compared to just wearing masks and keep expecting everyone else would wear masks?I'll play this dumb thought exercise that has no intention of actual fruitful discussion. (It's really an attempt at philosophical sabotage but I'll play).

Yes. But why stop at "weak". If everyone wore a hazmat anytime they are around another human, transmission would be close to zero.

But how do we define weak? Is age 64 years and 11 months strong and 65 years weak? Is someone with a glycosolated blood sugar of 6. 4 considered "strong" because he is just prediabetic while someone with a 6.5 value considered weak?

Everyone wearing masks in crowded spaces, practical. Less effective, more practical.

Gino02
12-09-20, 23:41
After almost a year into this crisis and people still don't understand that wearing a mask is one of the weapons we have to limit the spread of the virus. Together with distancing and regular hand-washing, masks are the only weapons we have until vaccines become widely available. If everybody had taken these measures seriously from the start, we wouldn't be in such a mess and we would still be enjoying our beloved FKK clubs.What kind of stupid believes that everybody will do exactly what he wants (or wishes) everybody to do? And, what kind of moron believes that trying that same failed "requesting everybody to do same thing" repeatedly will result in different result? LOL.

Time to try something else genius. Try hazmat suits 24 x7 if you are weak or scared or both, leave alone those "everybody" who doesn't fall under your wishful dictatorship.

Gino02
12-09-20, 23:52
I'll play this dumb thought exercise that has no intention of actual fruitful discussion. (It's really an attempt at philosophical sabotage but I'll play).

Yes. But why stop at "weak". If everyone wore a hazmat anytime they are around another human, transmission would be close to zero.

But how do we define weak? Is age 64 years and 11 months strong and 65 years weak? Is someone with a glycosolated blood sugar of 6. 4 considered "strong" because he is just prediabetic while someone with a 6.5 value considered weak?

Everyone wearing masks in crowded spaces, practical. Less effective, more practical.LOL weak people, you know who you are. Same like you know if you need Viagra to see a girl in FKK, you don't need me to define that, hopefully.

If you don't know if you are weak or vulnerable to this virus, but scared as shit, just go ahead and start wearing a hazmat suit 24 xv7. This whole concept of expecting everybody in the whole world following such stupid orders like sheeples is getting ridiculous. Come back to reality ding dong.

Gino02
12-10-20, 00:42
Yes. But why stop at "weak".Same reason you don't want to put ventilators to every Covid patient, or do a heart surgery on someone who doesn't need it. Start reading your own posts before clicking the "upload report" button, then you won't look this stupid LOL.

Mursenary
12-10-20, 00:50
You must stop making a fool out of yourself, if you had read the post which I responded to you would have seen that he mentioned personal space in his post. Why are you so stupid?

I don't know what you're or where you are from but if I had to guess I would say that you're probably created in a lab in an attempt to create the dumbest and most arrogant person the world has ever seen.Once again, you are technically correct. Yay. But what good is it when you missed the main point of small social circles and less social interactions? You can't even see the forest beyond the trees. It's the first sign of someone who has enough knowledge just to be dangerous. Those are usually the people who have stumbled on some info or knowledge but lack the natural or developed intellect to actually make fruitful use of it.

Mursenary
12-10-20, 00:52
What kind of stupid believes that everybody will do exactly what he wants (or wishes) everybody to do? And, what kind of moron believes that trying that same failed "requesting everybody to do same thing" repeatedly will result in different result? LOL.

Time to try something else genius. Try hazmat suits 24 x7 if you are weak or scared or both, leave alone those "everybody" who doesn't fall under your wishful dictatorship.I guess you are against drunk driving laws and their efficacy too huh? Oh the tyranny!

Mursenary
12-10-20, 01:25
Same reason you don't want to put ventilators to every Covid patient, or do a heart surgery on someone who doesn't need it. Start reading your own posts before clicking the "upload report" button, then you won't look this stupid LOL.Seems that's the same hyperbolic logic you've been using with references to hazmat suits. Perhaps take a pause yourself before submitting?

Mursenary
12-10-20, 01:33
LOL weak people, you know who you are. Same like you know if you need Viagra to see a girl in FKK, you don't need me to define that, hopefully.

If you don't know if you are weak or vulnerable to this virus, but scared as shit, just go ahead and start wearing a hazmat suit 24 xv7. This whole concept of expecting everybody in the whole world following such stupid orders like sheeples is getting ridiculous. Come back to reality ding dong.Funny you label me scared when one of us here is the one who actually exposes himself to covid airways 3-4 days a week. 3 intubations this week and probably another half dozen to go.

We don't need everyone to listen to reason, just an effective majority to overcome the detrimental voices like yours. I'll again reference the compliance and efficacy rates in Australia and New Zealand, societies not exactly known for blind compliance. Still waiting on a retort to their effective response. Go on, I'll keep waiting.

Mursenary
12-10-20, 01:43
Just starting on first day in UK rushing Pfizer which fucked Trump for elections, and already effects and allergies. I will keep on trusting my old health, more safe for me.Read entire articles, not eye catching titles:

"So far, the FDA said that the number of Bell's palsy cases seen in the Pfizer vaccine trial was 'consistent with the background frequency of reported Bell's palsy in the vaccine group that is consistent with the expected background rate in the general population, and there is no clear basis upon which to conclude a causal relationship at this time,' but will keep a close watch on future cases."

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9030943/amp/Four-volunteers-got-Pfizers-vaccine-developed-Bells-palsy.html

Mursenary
12-10-20, 01:55
You must stop making a fool out of yourself, if you had read the post which I responded to you would have seen that he mentioned personal space in his post. Why are you so stupid?

I don't know what you're or where you are from but if I had to guess I would say that you're probably created in a lab in an attempt to create the dumbest and most arrogant person the world has ever seen.Why am I so stupid? Probably my poor American public education, who knows for sure?

Anyway, see the forest above the trees. Yes you are technically correct, but the whole point was to show how Swedes keep small social circles, limit unnecessary interactions, and thus limiting respiratory spread. Let's keep focus.

But on the topic of being technically right or wrong for poorly consequential points. Not all of his figures were of Finland.


All the pictures you've posted links to are from Finland. I've never been to Finland but they're considered to be different from the rest of Scandinavia. They certainly have less immigrants than the rest of us. You make the mistake of assuming that all Scandinavian countries are alike when not even all regions in Scandinavian countries are the same. The people in Skne are jokingly referred to as Danes and the the people in Norrland as different from the rest of the world.
Scandinavians also post commentary videos on this topic to help bridge cultural gaps and misunderstandings.

https://blogs.studyinsweden.se/2016/01/15/public-transport-sweden-bus-seating/.

Pahllus Maximus
12-10-20, 08:28
Girls: most of the FKK are from Romania and many gypsies. Get some onion, or make them cry, save the tears, wear them in in tiny test tube and WHAM: no covid, jew or anything else. All this tak.

Mursenary: maybe some holy water (gypsy tears) to save patients. Shoobree told me he saw it on Fox, so it must be good stuff.

Banged a hottie today, even in sex prison, a nice break from this crap.

Gino02
12-10-20, 08:36
Funny you label me scared when one of us here is the one who actually exposes himself to covid airways 3-4 days a week. 3 intubations this week and probably another half dozen to go.

We don't need everyone to listen to reason, just an effective majority to overcome the detrimental voices like yours. I'll again reference the compliance and efficacy rates in Australia and New Zealand, societies not exactly known for blind compliance. Still waiting on a retort to their effective response. Go on, I'll keep waiting.LOL I'm not labeling you as weak (this is another problem with some people, always putting their words onto someone else's mouth LOL), you should know if you are weak or not, and accordingly decide what's best for you. But please don't try to decide what's best for me or others who don't want your suggestions. Clear now?

Gino02
12-10-20, 08:41
I guess you are against drunk driving laws and their efficacy too huh? Oh the tyranny!Dude, drunk driving isn't something normal. Going to school, college, work, dinner, FKK these are normal people activities. You don't see the difference? Did you drink the whole bottle? LOL.

Rocky V
12-10-20, 10:55
What kind of stupid believes that everybody will do exactly what he wants (or wishes) everybody to do? And, what kind of moron believes that trying that same failed "requesting everybody to do same thing" repeatedly will result in different result? LOL.This sentence makes no sense and it makes you sound like an idiot! Asking people to do the right thing is no longer worth it now? However, your 'LOL' at the end makes me hope you were kidding!


Time to try something else genius. Try hazmat suits 24 x7 if you are weak or scared or both, leave alone those "everybody" who doesn't fall under your wishful dictatorship.No, fucking moron, you don't have the liberty of infecting vulnerable people. Your freedom ends there.

McAdonis
12-10-20, 13:49
It's not that you don't have a point, the problem is merely that you and the links you've posted are so exaggerated. Like the clip for that film or whatever it is, people are not laughing at it because it's true.As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:


The Swedes have certain social behavioral rules that they uphold very strictly. And rule number one goes as follows: you do not intrude into another persons sphere. This goes as far as to not greet your neighbor in the corridor because youd rather spend some awkward 30 seconds of silence in the elevator than engage in small-talk. I guess what Im trying to say is: if you want to overcome social anxiety, Sweden is probably not the best place to move to. While spending time in countries such as England and Germany has encouraged me to open more and be more relaxed towards other people, Sweden has done the exact opposite to me. Honestly, Ive become much more introverted in this country because nobody ever encourages you to socialize in any way.

https://fabiamorger.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/sweden-a-country-of-introverts/
Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:


The purpose of this study was to examine the relevance and experience of social interaction in Lund, Sweden. Contemporary Sweden has been subjected to a global reputation of being a society whose social climate is viewed as one of high reservation, and unsociability. The assumption that native Swedes are shy, and prefer solitude are other perceptions. Statistical reports of mental health seem to indicate a discrepancy between the considerably functional welfare status Sweden has earned globally with its egalitarian message and commitment to life quality for its citizens versus its reputation as a faulty social climate, causing headlines around integration policies. This study used a phenomenological, emergent design in which five qualitative interviews were conducted consisting of three native, and two non-native Swedes. The narrative texts were analyzed with the Meaning Constitution Analysis (MCA) -Minerva (Phenomenological software program) as well as analysis of entity and predicate content from the interview material. The results reveal that Swedish social climate is perceived as being one with high levels of isolation, reservation, individualism, in which Swedish social norms contributes to the challenges of loneliness, exclusion, the lacking of trust and openness, perceived to exist within social interactions amongst individuals.

https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/7513678.Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.

Turgid
12-10-20, 13:53
.......... Scandinavians make that extra effort to keep away from each other. Here is another one taken up close where we can more closely gauge how far apart people actually are. This is NOT taken April 2020 at the height of CV19 hysteria, but September 2019. https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/d3knjz/currently_witnessing_the_finnish_bus_stop/........I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.

Mongerer88
12-10-20, 14:43
I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.In the old days or tourist books, I would read it beforehand, and afterwards wonder if the author had even been to the place, since I often found the reality so different than what I had read.

I was discussing the French rudeness with a bike tour guide in Portugal once at the exact time some asshole started honking at us because we were theoretically in the wrong lane but it would have been too difficult to turn from the correct lane. The guide pointed out that if I was writing a review of Portugal, I would be overly biased by the person honking the horn.

Gino02
12-10-20, 15:17
I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.Nah you are lying. The basement Internet "experts" already proved that Swedish people don't come close to another human being. Ever.

ShooBree
12-10-20, 16:52
Why am I so stupid? Probably my poor American public education, who knows for sure?

Anyway, see the forest above the trees. Yes you are technically correct, but the whole point was to show how Swedes keep small social circles, limit unnecessary interactions, and thus limiting respiratory spread. Let's keep focus.

But on the topic of being technically right or wrong for poorly consequential points. Not all of his figures were of Finland.Was that link included in the post that I responded to? No. Or did you think I've read all his posts, LMFAO!

I'm not interested in your irrelevant gibberish.

Gino02
12-10-20, 17:20
This sentence makes no sense and it makes you sound like an idiot! Asking people to do the right thing is no longer worth it now? However, your 'LOL' at the end makes me hope you were kidding!

No, fucking moron, you don't have the liberty of infecting vulnerable people. Your freedom ends there.Brother, "right thing" is simply a relative statement. For example, rioting and looting is not the "right thing" to me when protesting, though it is "right thing" according to many people. Same about this virus situation. I don't think it is a "right thing" to force me to inhale my own toxic carbon-dioxide and stop going to gym, thus impacting my future health just to delay deaths of some people who weren't careful about their own health earlier, who smokes, drinks too much and do drugs, who doesn't work out and who chose to eat bad for years and thus self-created their own weaker health condition. Those people should have taken care of themselves all through their lives as opposed to now asking me to ruin my health to delay their deaths. If they want to live longer, now they should wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 to avoid the virus and start living healthy life.

It's not my personal virus, it's something in the flora and fauna, it's something in the air and everywhere. Nobody is infecting vulnerable people willingly (well, except for China). The weak people simply don't have the necessary natural immunity to fight the virus (see above for reasons for most cases). My freedom has nothing to do with it.

It simply doesn't make sense that so many of you are against the suggestion of weak and / or scared people wearing hazmat suits 24 x7. Aren't the hazmat suits scientifically proven to be the best protection to avoid any virus or pathogen?

ShooBree
12-10-20, 17:34
As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:

Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:

Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.Exaggerations, speculations and faulty conclusions. There shouldn't be any cases at all in Sweden if the way you describe things was true. The ability to perform tests increased drastically compared to the spring. In March / April people basically received the message that there's no idea to get tested because of the shortage of tests. Now and earlier in the fall the message was another, come and get tested! Everyone who wants to get tested will get tested. It's not possible to compare then and now. The message to the public changed drastically and in Sweden the people listen. The situation would be a different if not such a large part of the population got the virus in the first wave.

It's more interesting to look at the housing situation and the public health than to make ignorant comments about other people's culture.

ShooBree
12-10-20, 17:54
As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:

Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:

Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.Oh, and let me tell an anecdote about the "warm&social Spaniards". I was lost in Malaga so when I saw two women walking by so I went up and asked them for the directions and they just walked around me without uttering a word. So much for your "warm&social Spaniards".

McAdonis
12-10-20, 18:58
I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.If she got within a forearm's length away from you, then that is kissing range. And I would say a 99 percent chance, she was flirting with you But I would say that is universal across all cultures.

Cultural context matters. This concept of personal space isn't rocket science. Can we agree that some cultures are more touchy, feelier than others? Again this will vary between individuals and whether alcohol is involved. If a civilian Latina touches my arm, that is probably something she does with all her friends. I would have to rely on other cues to determine if she is actually flirting with me. If a civilian Nordic or German girl touches my arm while speaking then I would say there is a significantly higher likelihood that she is flirting. Now if a girl, touches my crotch, then there is no ambiguity. I would say that is universal across all cultures.

Gino02
12-10-20, 19:24
https://fee.org/articles/3-studies-that-show-lockdowns-are-ineffective-at-slowing-covid-19/

Convinced now?

BigBuddy69
12-10-20, 20:36
It's funny that you're so obsessed with me that you go through my posts that are several months old. I guess I can live rent free in your empty head. At the time of my post Ireland had more deaths than Sweden.No ShooTroll once again you're lying, Ireland had always less deaths than Sweden, look at this graph.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=SWE~IRL&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

See how the Ireland curve is always clearly under the Sweden curve? And see how the Sweden curve is steeper now?

Oops sorry I made again a big mistake, Sweden was under Ireland between the 12th and the 13th of March! Maybe you wrote your post the 13th of March?

As for the rest of your bullshit, I'll correct you again later when I won't be in a hurry to go to bed or to eat.

Until then, some readings for you:

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/ (I love the title).

https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/28759/the-swedish-model-is-a-failure-not-a-panacea

https://www.ft.com/content/4f6ad356-9f61-4728-a9aa-3fa1f232035a

https://covidfactcheck.se/

Did you read the nature.com article about your fantasized herd immunity? Fascinating no?

Mursenary
12-11-20, 00:08
LOL I'm not labeling you as weak (this is another problem with some people, always putting their words onto someone else's mouth LOL), you should know if you are weak or not, and accordingly decide what's best for you. But please don't try to decide what's best for me or others who don't want your suggestions. Clear now?Fair enough.

But "weak," whatever that means. At least 50 percent of hospitalized covid patients had no diagnosed comorbidities and over half are under 65. But here you are, remaining focused on death as being the only point of measurement.


Dude, drunk driving isn't something normal. Going to school, college, work, dinner, FKK these are normal people activities. You don't see the difference? Did you drink the whole bottle? LOL.Drunk driving is not normal NOW. It took decades of various state laws and social initiative to get us to where we are today. It's called progress and evolution, try to embrace it.

I bet in the early 1900's there were idiots like yourself screaming, "damn laws are infringing on my freedom. Kid should have gotten out of the way faster. ".


https://fee.org/articles/3-studies-that-show-lockdowns-are-ineffective-at-slowing-covid-19/

Convinced now?I'm not especially pro lock down but against bastardization of science by people who don't understand the process.

So No, not convinced, especially when citing a third party organization cherry picking inconclusive studies.

Here are direct links to actual peer reviewed studies not published by an organization with an agenda:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268966/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30201-7/fulltext

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2809

Mursenary
12-11-20, 00:13
Was that link included in the post that I responded to? No. Or did you think I've read all his posts, LMFAO!

I'm not interested in your irrelevant gibberish.Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".

ShooBree
12-11-20, 06:03
Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".You're wrong as usual, weirdo. You should get a life instead of being wrong all the time.

ShooBree
12-11-20, 07:54
Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".LOL, I should've read all his posts. That's my "responsibility". Seriously, get a life and a functioning brain too while you're at it.

ShooBree
12-11-20, 09:19
No ShooTroll once again you're lying, Ireland had always less deaths than Sweden, look at this graph.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=SWE~IRL&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

See how the Ireland curve is always clearly under the Sweden curve? And see how the Sweden curve is steeper now?

Oops sorry I made again a big mistake, Sweden was under Ireland between the 12th and the 13th of March! Maybe you wrote your post the 13th of March?

As for the rest of your bullshit, I'll correct you again later when I won't be in a hurry to go to bed or to eat.Whatever you say bigtroll.

Sweden will have a lockdown as soon as we receive the money France and the other countries in the EU owe us.

I just had a look at the ten countries with most COVID-related deaths per capita and I couldn't find Sweden. So I increased it to 20 countries and I still couldn't find Sweden. I found France at #14, but I just couldn't find Sweden. It surely must be some kind of mistake.

Why didn't France have any lockdown?

Ireland and their strict restrictions failed, 427 deaths per million isn't impressive unless you compare them to France.

US media is a mess, its shameful how they're politicizing the pandemic and it's laughable when you refer to articles written by Frida Ghitis. She looks like a old, ugly tranny or lesbian and is regularly working for CNN, also known as FNN.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

It's funny how CNN never mentioned the need for a lockdown when 60'000 Americans died in one year because of the regular flu. Where goes the line if a lockdown is needed or not? Though looking at France lockdowns seems pointless.

McAdonis
12-11-20, 13:53
There shouldn't be any cases at all in Sweden if the way you describe things was true. The ability to perform tests increased drastically compared to the spring. The current number of new cases are outpacing the increases in testing capacity. Latest week of data for testing capacity is Week 47. Sweden's first peak was Week 26. Sweden's "miracle we proved the world wrong" was week 35.

246 percent increase in testing capacity, 328 percent increase in new infections:

Week 26, June 22 to 28,75171 tests, 7460 new cases..[/QUOTE]I said Swedish tend to keep to themselves, which would reduce spread, not result in "no cases at all". This is no different than people saying that Asian cultures are generally obedient and comply with the government mandates, which I would say is mostly true. Culture matters.

Turgid
12-11-20, 14:10
If she got within a forearm's length away from you, then that is kissing range. And I would say a 99 percent chance, she was flirting with you But I would say that is universal across all cultures........Good point. She was definitely within kissing range but I don't think she was flirting with me as she was all business. It was my one and only visit to Scandinavia and I found the girls in Sweden and Denmark very friendly. I went to a public beach in Malmo and most of the women were topless, do they still go topless there? I remember in the afternoon the girls would go to the beach straight from work and change into their bikini bottoms right there on the beach, full nudity for a few seconds. I really liked the Scandinavian girls.

ExpatLover
12-11-20, 16:18
Good point. She was definitely within kissing range but I don't think she was flirting with me as she was all business. It was my one and only visit to Scandinavia and I found the girls in Sweden and Denmark very friendly. I went to a public beach in Malmo and most of the women were topless, do they still go topless there? I remember in the afternoon the girls would go to the beach straight from work and change into their bikini bottoms right there on the beach, full nudity for a few seconds. I really liked the Scandinavian girls.Agree with you, worked also in Sweden, it was the only country where I had 2 times women nocking on the door from my hotel and not prostitutes like in Africa, or China.

Mursenary
12-11-20, 17:30
Aw man. The attachment pretty much sums up my discussions here every single day. Hah!

These discussions are:

40% Disappointing.

30% Frustrating.

20% Depressing.

10% Fucking hilarious because 10% of retards are actually pretty fucking funny.

McAdonis
12-11-20, 20:12
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102193/coronavirus-cases-development-in-sweden/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1133055/weekly-number-of-coronavirus-tests-in-sweden/

Between Week 26 (first peak) and Week 47, Sweden's testing capacity increased by 246 percent and new infections increased by 328 percent. Between Week 35 (best week) and Week 47, Sweden's testing capacity increased by 205 percent and new infections increased by 2564 percent. That is NOT a typo.

If you look back at my post history, I cautiously started to jump on the Sweden bandwagon around Week 35. I was about 70 percent convinced that Sweden had taken the correct approach. During these miracle weeks, Sweden only had a few hundred new cases per day, so I made the assumption: "Sweden never locked down. Entire population must have been engaging in pre-pandemic levels of social contact. Everyone must have antibodies and that's why there are so few new cases". I was just waiting for data to confirm my assumption. If on Week 35, Tegnell had put out an official statement "We estimate 50-60 percent of our population has antibodies, and in a few short weeks we should reach herd immunity", I would have been 100 percent convinced. But Tegnell, never did that. And with the exponential surge in new cases the past few weeks, I now know that my assumption was wrong.

Gino02
12-11-20, 20:18
Fair enough.

But "weak," whatever that means. At least 50 percent of hospitalized covid patients had no diagnosed comorbidities and over half are under 65. But here you are, remaining focused on death as being the only point of measurement.Only if they disclosed all their drinking and drug habits. Every "healthy" person I know who had severe sickness from Coronavirus, have serious drinking and drugs habit, obviously they don't disclose that to their doctors or hospitals. Maybe exactly why Trump recovered quickly as he doesn't drink alcohol and doesn't do drugs?

Pahllus Maximus
12-11-20, 21:47
Mursenary. Or Nursenary said "At least 50 percent of hospitalized covid patients had no diagnosed comorbidities and over half are under 65. But here you are, remaining focused on death as being the only point of measurement".

Was there any other correlation, such as obesity or poverty?

All of this was preventable with Gypsy tears with Borat-Shoobree Technology University (BS TU).

Mursenary
12-11-20, 22:40
Reading all of his posts or not, we at least know that you read the one being contested. Silly goose.

The thing about the internet, is that there's often a "paper" trail.


You're wrong as usual, weirdo. You should get a life instead of being wrong all the time.
Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".

Was that link included in the post that I responded to? No. Or did you think I've read all his posts, LMFAO!

I'm not interested in your irrelevant gibberish.


But on the topic of being technically right or wrong for poorly consequential points. Not all of his figures were of Finland.
All the pictures you've posted links to are from Finland.
You cannot be serious. That video shows a stranger attempting to get into kissing range, chest-to-chest. Every person in every culture would retreat if a stranger were to do that. Likewise choosing a seat next to someone when there is nothing but free seats around is creepy in any culture. At that point, we are just talking personal safety.
I see that you still don't understand Scandinavians / Swedes, they're the least patriotic people in the world. They don't mind jokes being made on their expense not do they mind the gross exaggerations. For them it's easier to laugh than to correct the person since they don't really care anyways.
This was a joint Swedish American sitcom that aired on TV4 in Sweden. At 1 min15 Swedish wife explains to her American husband how Swedish don't really make new friends: https://youtu.be/1JHgLF6X9KU.


NOT FINLAND-->https://blogs.studyinsweden.se/2016/01/15/public-transport-sweden-bus-seating/ <-- NOT FINLAND.

Mursenary
12-11-20, 23:13
I cautiously started to jump on the Sweden bandwagon around Week 35. I was about 70 percent convinced that Sweden had taken the correct approach. During these miracle weeks, Sweden only had a few hundred new cases per day, so I made the assumption: "Sweden never locked down. Entire population must have been engaging in pre-pandemic levels of social contact. Everyone must have antibodies and that's why there are so few new cases". I was just waiting for data to confirm my assumption. If on Week 35, Tegnell had put out an official statement "We estimate 50-60 percent of our population has antibodies, and in a few short weeks we should reach herd immunity", I would have been 100 percent convinced. But Tegnell, never did that. And with the exponential surge in new cases the past few weeks, I now know that my assumption was wrong.Same experience here, although I don't necessarily think that their model is wrong, provided that you define the Swedish model as not instituting mandates and relying on the responsible actions of a reasonable populace. How the pandemic number plays out will determine that.

That's the funny think about being a person of reason, you can find new data and adjust your conclusions. One might even call it the process of science. Go figure.

Mursenary
12-12-20, 00:08
Only if they disclosed all their drinking and drug habits. Every "healthy" person I know who had severe sickness from Coronavirus, have serious drinking and drugs habit, obviously they don't disclose that to their doctors or hospitals. Maybe exactly why Trump recovered quickly as he doesn't drink alcohol and doesn't do drugs?Still no retort on cherry picking articles and effectiveness of Oceanic and East Asian countries' pandemic response I see. I'll keep waiting.

Otherwise, weak argument hanging on by a thread for sure. The funny thing about drinking and drug habits is that labs values and diagnostics don't lie even when the patient does. Liver function and renal function, the ER works that up as soon as the patient enters the hospital. During covid times, nearly all undiagnosed comorbidities are found within the first 48 hours.

The funny thing about comorbidities is that people don't even know they have them. Average forty year old men often have no idea that they are in the beginning stages of vascular, intestinal, and prostate disease. I've seen plenty of skinny Asian men with perfect vital signs and unremarkable clinical presentation but lab values and imaging revealed a rotten, deteriorating core. There are tons of middle aged and athletic black men with undiagnosed diabetes and renal disease. There are plenty of endurance athlete type white men and bodybuilders with kiwi sized prostates, intestinal polyps stretching the entire rectum, and a heart the size of small melon. The thing is, preventative care is weak all over the world and how many hear have had a full cardiac work up, prostate imaging, renal function ultrasounds, lab work beyond the annual generic metabolic panels?

The other day a 40 year old guy, a healthcare provider even, made the comment that his age group gave him a 99.9 percent chance of survival. I asked about the risk profile for his BMI, crickets. I'm sure the same goes for many of the posters on this forum. We have one man bragging about his cardiovascular conquests on the Alpine slopes, while completely unaware of what appears to be a thyroid disorder, not to mention an obvious personality disorder (not my field, just and educated obs). I've spoken to a man bragging about his use of fitness masks on extended treadmill sessions; meanwhile, I see him scarfing down 2 times the suggested daily carbohydrate recommendation in one sitting, adding to his already girthy belly.

Trump did fine because he had the luxury of early treatment, pre-symptomatic diagnosis, 12:1 doctor-patient ratios, an entire dedicated nursing team, and 24 hour cardiac and respiratory monitoring. All labs were ordered STAT and meds were given without delay. Exactly the opposite scenario when people like yourself promote loosey goosey social interactions without the use of the most simplistic protective gear. (Carbon dioxide toxicity with a light face covering. GTFOH!) Then you end up with doctor and nursing ratios that compromise quality of care, lab delays, pharmacy delays, errors, omissions, bam, that's how the covid pandemic works in the healthcare world.

No need to respond, just keep your mouth shut, and contribute to the prolongation of this pandemic silently. We'll keep recruiting more unbiased minds for an effective majority to make up for your nonsensical actions.

Pahllus Maximus
12-12-20, 07:24
Sigh. Tedious. It is well known from Xavier Hollander, Private X and other scientific sources that Swedish women are nymphos with progressive values and this provides COVID protection. In Kazakhstan we have NEGATIVE covid rates thanks to centuries old custom of Gypsy tears amulets that also averted the AIDS and jewish crisis. Comrade Borat has hugely helped spread the word and mankinis that drive women mad with lust. The president is trying to isolate Gypsy tears DNA to help the whole world. Also under discussions are FKKs as a public service.

I can only conclude Shoobree has been out of Sweden too long and is angry because he is horny from no Swedish nympho au pairs or FKKS, and Nursenary needs one of the nurses to provide relief. Swedish hospitals are great for male patients, maybe Shoobree and Nursenary can go there and have hot, busty and progressive minded nurses provide a holistic approach to stiffness and swelling. Hell, I should get admitted, and quite a few readers here might get the same idea.

Boys. Lighten up. Have fun. Think of beautiful women, life and fun.

Mursenary
12-12-20, 08:05
You should probably start taking your meds again, weirdo.One of the very few points in which we agree. I can confirm, not a pleasant personality to be around.


Great, another weirdo obsessing over me.

It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.

The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.

And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?

ShooBree
12-12-20, 08:05
Reading all of his posts or not, we at least know that you read the one being contested. Silly goose.

The thing about the internet, is that there's often a "paper" trail.This is your problem, I wrote "pictures" and referred to a specific post, yet you bring fictional videos and a link to some weirdos blog from a different post totally unrelated to what I wrote. Further more the pictures in the blog showed a very normal behavior all across Europe. Are you incredibly dishonest or just stupid? You don't realize the difference between a picture and video based on fiction? It wasn't a documentary if that's what you thought. Your problem is that you're mentally challenged.

I strongly advice you to get a life and a functioning brain instead of stalking me and write untruthful comments.

Sirioja
12-12-20, 12:51
Good point. She was definitely within kissing range but I don't think she was flirting with me as she was all business. It was my one and only visit to Scandinavia and I found the girls in Sweden and Denmark very friendly. I went to a public beach in Malmo and most of the women were topless, do they still go topless there? I remember in the afternoon the girls would go to the beach straight from work and change into their bikini bottoms right there on the beach, full nudity for a few seconds. I really liked the Scandinavian girls.Not sure Swedish and Danish girls are anymore so pretty than they were in 80's because more mix now rather than blond blue eyes for our past child fantasies. But I confirm few met on holidays and same for German, NL, Swiss or UK girls, were very friendly, UK girls being very welcoming for French guys but not the prettiest faces. Russians are the best looks for me, from blond Siberian with round face and small upturned nose, with fire under ice, to Oural or Tatar Latin beauties with straight nose, a bit like Romanians.

McAdonis
12-12-20, 13:27
Same experience here, although I don't necessarily think that their model is wrong, provided that you define the Swedish model as not instituting mandates and relying on the responsible actions of a reasonable populace. How the pandemic number plays out will determine that.

That's the funny think about being a person of reason, you can find new data and adjust your conclusions. One might even call it the process of science. Go figure.I may have implied that Swedish model was wrong in my last post. I am still undecided. Evaluating the model I argue would require a more comprehensive cost-benefit analysis that takes into consideration economic damage, mental health outcomes, long-term health outcomes for CV19 survivors, in addition to deaths. I would argue that we won't know that until maybe a few years after this pandemic is behind us. But my pet peeve is the argument "no lockdown results in less deaths" which based on the current data we have now is simply not true, unless people deliberately use apples-to-oranges comparisons to support this argument.

Looking at the 50 USA states plus territories, if we want to evaluate their performance, I believe we should group them accordingly based on population density and geography. For instance, I would group Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota together. Per square mile these four states have between six and eleven people. North Dakota has had the worst health outcome so far among the four. It has double the deaths per capita of Montana and almost triple the deaths per capita as Wyoming. These four states should not be compared to NJ which has 120 times more people per square mile of ND. Geography also plays a role. We can clearly see the deaths per capita being low in the geographically isolated states like Hawaii, Alaska and PR. Once flights became limited, you had very little inter-state and international travel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population_density

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Mursenary
12-12-20, 13:43
All the pictures you've posted links to are from Finland.


This is your problem, I wrote "pictures" and referred to a specific post, yet you bring fictional videosWrong again. Lookie here at the word "link".

It's sad that I'm better at your dumb game than you are. How embarrassing.

McAdonis
12-12-20, 14:00
It wasn't a documentary if that's what you thought. Your problem is that you're mentally challenged.Trailer: https://youtu.be/hLgzDKL9T4s.

Full Documentary English subtitles: https://youtu.be/0UfkSthddCE.

Mursenary
12-12-20, 14:21
Let's add frequency of travel and timing of the spread to this argument. These rural states that lack high volumes of international travel were also spared the initial surge that was seen in NYC and Jersey in March. The virus spread through these dense populations without much of a public health response back in February and March. End result, deaths up to 1000 people per day. Fast forward to the recent surge and their death tolls and hospitalization rates remain much lower than all of these rural American states. In fact, NYC is doing better than most European countries.


I may have implied that Swedish model was wrong in my last post. I am still undecided. Evaluating the model I argue would require a more comprehensive cost-benefit analysis that takes into consideration economic damage, mental health outcomes, long-term health outcomes for CV19 survivors, in addition to deaths. I would argue that we won't know that until maybe a few years after this pandemic is behind us. But my pet peeve is the argument "no lockdown results in less deaths" which based on the current data we have now is simply not true, unless people deliberately use apples-to-oranges comparisons to support this argument.

Looking at the 50 USA states plus territories, if we want to evaluate their performance, I believe we should group them accordingly based on population density and geography. For instance, I would group Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota together. Per square mile these four states have between six and eleven people. North Dakota has had the worst health outcome so far among the four. It has double the deaths per capita of Montana and almost triple the deaths per capita as Wyoming. These four states should not be compared to NJ which has 120 times more people per square mile of ND. Geography also plays a role. We can clearly see the deaths per capita being low in the geographically isolated states like Hawaii, Alaska and PR. Once flights became limited, you had very little inter-state and international travel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population_density

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Gino02
12-12-20, 15:51
Otherwise, weak argument hanging on by a thread for sure. The funny thing about drinking and drug habits is that labs values and diagnostics don't lie even when the patient does. Liver function and renal function, the ER works that up as soon as the patient enters the hospital. During covid times, nearly all undiagnosed comorbidities are found within the first 48 hours.Looks like stupids are now growing in the trees. They are now believing that when people are admitted to a hospital with Covid and die there, the hospital is telling the news "Hey news mama, 25 Covid patients died here today, out of them 10 were heavy drinkers and drug users, we found in their ER works lab diagnostics. We also sent this information with details to CDC". The same stupids also think that it didn't help Trump in getting well sooner by not drinking alcohol and not using drugs. Apparently to them, heavy drinking and using drugs do not make lungs, hearts and overall health weaker. How gullible can these stupid sheeple be? LOL.

Sirioja
12-12-20, 20:14
North Dakota with only bears, was down under covid not long ago, not only NYC, but San Francisco and California also not long ago. Thanksgiving will be a real killer. Strong US is real number 1, when they don't even know among more than 10 millions illegals and around 50 millions with no insurance, so they can't know about 60 millions of their people, France population. Wish Biden / Harris will make them improve for social and image in front of the world.

Mursenary
12-12-20, 23:49
Looks like stupids are now growing in the trees. They are now believing that when people are admitted to a hospital with Covid and die there, the hospital is telling the news "Hey news mama, 25 Covid patients died here today, out of them 10 were heavy drinkers and drug users, we found in their ER works lab diagnostics. We also sent this information with details to CDC". The same stupids also think that it didn't help Trump in getting well sooner by not drinking alcohol and not using drugs. Apparently to them, heavy drinking and using drugs do not make lungs, hearts and overall health weaker. How gullible can these stupid sheeple be? LOL.And you know this how?

Fuck man, your shoobree is showing.

ShooBree
12-12-20, 23:52
Wrong again. Lookie here at the word "link".

It's sad that I'm better at your dumb game than you are. How embarrassing.Your problem is that you don't know what you're talking about. You're without better than me at being dishonest and stupid. I honestly don't even know why I respond to your irrelevant and pointless lies.

Pahllus Maximus
12-13-20, 03:46
Levity, ribbing and nonsense aside, it is amusing to imagine a couple of mongers (aka sex tourists) casting judgment, especially for Mursenary who should know better, throwing stones in glass houses. I am not going to transgress accepted social mores or by being shallow, cowardly, petty or ungrateful. I'll leave you both in an infinitely recursive, eristile dialogue given that this forum is pretty much just the two of you.

I'm off to enjoy some real, warm, living, fun NON- P4 P female company rather than a keyboard.

Mursenary
12-13-20, 05:00
Levity, ribbing and nonsense aside, it is amusing to imagine a couple of mongers (aka sex tourists) casting judgment, especially for Mursenary who should know better, throwing stones in glass houses. I am not going to transgress accepted social mores or by being shallow, cowardly, petty or ungrateful. I'll leave you both in an infinitely recursive, eristile dialogue given that this forum is pretty much just the two of you.

I'm off to enjoy some real, warm, living, fun NON- P4 P female company rather than a keyboard.Buh bye. Enjoy fucking ugly chicks!

Mursenary
12-13-20, 05:03
Your problem is that you don't know what you're talking about. You're without better than me at being dishonest and stupid. I honestly don't even know why I respond to your irrelevant and pointless lies.Translation: "I'm taking my ball and I'm going home."

You got beat, accept it like a man.

Sirioja
12-13-20, 07:34
Let's add frequency of travel and timing of the spread to this argument. These rural states that lack high volumes of international travel were also spared the initial surge that was seen in NYC and Jersey in March. The virus spread through these dense populations without much of a public health response back in February and March. End result, deaths up to 1000 people per day. Fast forward to the recent surge and their death tolls and hospitalization rates remain much lower than all of these rural American states. In fact, NYC is doing better than most European countries.On last weeks, not 1000 but more than 2000/2500 deaths per day for US, and spreading everywhere, even in cold rural North Dakota. Maybe only Alaska to be safe. They rush starting Pfizer on next week, under panic, when effects in UK. But vaccine don t prevent from getting and giving to others, maybe just avoiding to die, if not killing too many. I think pharma and medical will make big business about vaccines and to cure bad effects.

McAdonis
12-13-20, 11:45
Good point. She was definitely within kissing range but I don't think she was flirting with me as she was all business. It was my one and only visit to Scandinavia and I found the girls in Sweden and Denmark very friendly. Scandinavian countries are "feminist". If a Swedish woman wants to flirt aggressively and occasionally have a one-night stand, society is less judgmental and there is less shaming. However, just because you click platonically or romantically on the first night you meet a Scandinavian, does not necessarily mean that they will open up to you (allow you into inner circle, meet regularly).

Nordics responding to stereotypes about them https://youtu.be/BpuiQk_v9mY: "Nordics are very shy, reserved, and unemotional. Until they get drunk, they like to get drunk to an extreme" (1 min7's to 3 min13). Scandinavians agreed with both parts of this stereotype. A Swedish guy makes a response which is informative: "If you meet someone like super drunk and you have hilarious fun for five hours, if you meet them the next day, you won't say Hello". Swedish girl nods in agreement. This anecdote demonstrates two things: (1) Scandinavians have a harder shell or barrier to break past when moving from acquaintance to friend, and (2) Scandinavians don't stop to engage in small talk (what logically follows after a greeting). Like all people, they require social contact to survive, but they seem to not need it as much as other cultures. They are just socially more independent (as the documentary I posted suggests). And the fact that more Swedes live alone than the rest of the world reinforces the value that they place on this independence.

Interviewing people on street: "Are Swedes hard to get to know": https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg.

Survey of 15000 participants for worst country to make friends, Scandinavia dominates: https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/netherlands-ranked-one-worlds-worst-countries-making-friends.

Mursenary
12-13-20, 16:06
On last weeks, not 1000 but more than 2000/2500 deaths per day for US, and spreading everywhere, even in cold rural North Dakota. Maybe only Alaska to be safe. They rush starting Pfizer on next week, under panic, when effects in UK. But vaccine don t prevent from getting and giving to others, maybe just avoiding to die, if not killing too many. I think pharma and medical will make big business about vaccines and to cure bad effects.You should re-familiarize yourself on the concept of "R0, are-naught".

If you can understand, then maybe you will know.

Turgid
12-13-20, 16:32
Scandinavian countries are "feminist". If a Swedish woman wants to flirt aggressively and occasionally have a one-night stand, society is less judgmental and there is less shaming. However, just because you click platonically or romantically on the first night you meet a Scandinavian, does not necessarily mean that they will open up to you (allow you into inner circle, meet regularly).

Nordics responding to stereotypes about them https://youtu.be/BpuiQk_v9mY: "Nordics are very shy, reserved, and unemotional. Until they get drunk, they like to get drunk to an extreme" (1 min7's to 3 min13). Scandinavians agreed with both parts of this stereotype. A Swedish guy makes a response which is informative: "If you meet someone like super drunk and you have hilarious fun for five hours, if you meet them the next day, you won't say Hello". Swedish girl nods in agreement. This anecdote demonstrates two things: (1) Scandinavians have a harder shell or barrier to break past when moving from acquaintance to friend, and (2) Scandinavians don't stop to engage in small talk (what logically follows after a greeting). Like all people, they require social contact to survive, but they seem to not need it as much as other cultures. They are just socially more independent (as the documentary I posted suggests). And the fact that more Swedes live alone than the rest of the world reinforces the value that they place on this independence.

Interviewing people on street: "Are Swedes hard to get to know": https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg.

Survey of 15000 participants for worst country to make friends, Scandinavia dominates: https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/netherlands-ranked-one-worlds-worst-countries-making-friends.The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?

The Cane
12-13-20, 16:45
The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?The Swedish Erotica line of loops probably had a lot to do with it. Although, I don't know that the production of these movies had anything to do with Sweden at all. In fact their hugest star, who went by the stage name of "Seka", was / is an American woman originally from Virginia LOL!

https://www.hotmovies.com/series/28650/Swedish-Erotica-8mm-/

Gino02
12-13-20, 16:55
And you know this how?And you know I am wrong how? I know at least in one case (my friend) hospital didn't disclose that he was heavy user of drugs.

Ararat
12-13-20, 17:12
The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?

Partly because people exaggerated, partly because other countries followed. Sweden was very progressive in many areas in the first decades after the war. It's not as if Sweden was lightyears 'ahead' but I think there were sections of society in Southern Europe and the Americas that was a little bit more conservative. IMO, that's long gone.

McAdonis
12-13-20, 19:53
The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?
A large-scale survey in Sweden (Public Health Agency of Sweden 2019) recently showed that at least 38% of young women (16 to 29 year-olds) report having engaged in casual sex during the last 12 months. It is thus a very common practice in this specific cohort, dropping to 15% in the one that follows (30 to 44 year-olds).

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-019-09690-8.For above 2019 study, almost two-thirds of young Swedish women have not had casual sex in the last twelve months. Nevertheless, the fact that someone has an occasional ONS ("being easy") does not necessarily mean that said person is not living a somewhat or mostly solitary life. ONS is by definition a way to NOT let people get emotionally close you, which aligns with the Scandinavian stereotype. You see them once, and then keep them at a distance. Also having an occasional ONS does not necessarily mean that Scandinavians are comfortable with random strangers breaching their infamous one meter physical distance bubble. Let's say a girl has had four ONS within the last twelve months. That is four strangers that she either found super attractive (or she was inebriated and in the mood). Every other Tinder date, she could have kept at a comfortable one meter distance. Conversely, Spanish and Italian are easier to befriend and they do "la bise" (cheek-to-cheek kiss) with people they barely know, but they are definitely not generally known for as many ONS as the more sexually liberated Scandinavians.

McAdonis
12-13-20, 20:09
Partly because people exaggerated, partly because other countries followed. Sweden was very progressive in many areas in the first decades after the war. It's not as if Sweden was lightyears 'ahead' but I think there were sections of society in Southern Europe and the Americas that was a little bit more conservative. IMO, that's long gone.America may have closed the gap between sexually liberated countries. From 1950's to 1990's each generation was having more premarital sex than the previous. Figure 2 tracks women only: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/.

Sirioja
12-13-20, 20:18
The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?Because many girls were seen naked, freedom for body, but don't mean more easy to fuck them.

Sirioja
12-13-20, 20:29
Germany now under more than 20000 cases per day, closing stores, restaurants, bars. WGs can go on holidays or to family, no brothels business on next weeks. Even small Switzerland, small China in Western Europe, is closing more and more. It should be hard winter.

Gino02
12-13-20, 22:39
Partly because people exaggerated, partly because other countries followed. Sweden was very progressive in many areas in the first decades after the war. It's not as if Sweden was lightyears 'ahead' but I think there were sections of society in Southern Europe and the Americas that was a little bit more conservative. IMO, that's long gone.When I first read about German FKKs on this forum, I thought that it's exaggerated, no way this can be real LOL.