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BigBuddy69
01-03-21, 15:24
LOL, that's all he's capable of, brut insults. Forget substance of the posts. Even the insults, they're never clever. No wit. No subtlety. No elegance in prose. It all suggests a person lacking both depth and breadth.Don't you get it? The message was aimed at you.

Chongmal
01-03-21, 16:52
Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect. Treat me with disrespect and that's what you get back.Then you respect when 50 billion Asians and 65.7 million French -1 respond to you with insults to you. Ok amazing. Of course, what do they know, right. I am guessing some know what Aspergers is though. Although it might be more difficult to recognize in Sweden. Google the symptoms. Zit will be clear. Perhaps Sweden has achieved herd immunity for Aspergers and is using it as a model for COVID.

There used to be a puppeteer in the LR. One of the most amazing shows ever played. Pulling the strings, summoning the wee folk from across the land. A new fair maiden was found. Little did the wee folk know that the puppeteer was also pulling the strings of the fair maiden. It should have been clear during foreplay and was nearly discovered while on a picnic eating sandwiches. Then the new temptress was brought in. She was known as Black Velvet. I true snake charmer but this day the puppet master had different plans. Agitate the snake, poke it, taunt it and see if it will strike in anger. Obviously it made an impression because the wee folk still tell stories about the day Black Velvet came and wouldn't leave the snake alone. It wasn't until the puppeteer brought out the tallest marionette with the shortest strings that the wee folk truly lost control. Smoke was billowing, flames were on the floor. The tallest mariannette was near the entrance and the wee folk was summoned my Bowser. The wee folk demanded the tallest mariannette be sent away but Bowser refused. The decision was made, the wee folk would implement self exile. Even when he came to bid the fair maiden goodbye, and found her and the entire cast sitting beside the puppet master, he declared his heartbreak and announced his exile. The puppet master celebrated with the cast. The story is famous. The wee folk still talk about lost love, the towering marionette. The rest who witnessed it speak about the inferno, the jilted wee folk, the first of multiple exiles, and the kick ass after party enjoyed most by the puppeteer.

Sirioja
01-03-21, 17:41
The strain of CV19 that entered the USA did not come directly from China but via Western Europe. To implement the travel ban you are speaking of, a hundred plus countries would need to collectively sign off and ban East Asians from entering. This would effectively establish two travel corridors. Every country in the world would be forced to pick a side or decide which travel corridor they want to belong to. If India chooses to allow Chinese to enter India (or Indians to travel to China), then no Indians would be allowed to enter USA or Western Europe. And nobody from USA or Western Europe would be allowed to enter India.

The problem is there are millions of non-Asians living, studying, and working in East Asia. And there are millions of East-Asians living, studying, and working in Europe. Would these people be banned from visiting family in their home countries? Or would they be forced to enter a 30-day quarantine at both ends of travel?

I could imagine Westerners, even the ones with no social, business, or romantic connections to East Asia protesting about the loss of their individual rights and freedom of movement. "If I want to travel to China and risk being infected by some yet to be discovered pathogen, I should be allowed to do so!" And the sexpats in the Thai forums would definitely align with that cause.I'm not much interested by China nor Asia, but I'm pretty sure not far from 90% of so many Chinese are kind of victims of their lying government, so many being scared of their government, so I don't see why banning victims who can t get the truth in their own country, just have to protect when risky, when I think really good point to get rid of racist Trump who gave a so bad and scary image of US, from all his bullshits not only about covid but black murders, making US ridiculous in front of the world.

Kuni042
01-03-21, 18:41
Not much more left to just believe what scientists say: That Moderna and Pfizer / Biontech vaccines are about 95% effective and it will (most likely) include current mutations. And they are already tracking those mutations and trying to adjust their vaccines.

BTW: 95% is a lot better then the flu vaccines. And it is touted as a miracle. But there are other such miracles - e.g. my 10inch-tablet never ceases to amaze me and it is a miracle too imo.

If i dont believe in that, i get even more depressed.



In your statement you assume that the vaccine is efficient, for me the vaccine will be as efficient as the flue one, we all know a lot of people getting the flue vaccine but already catching the flue. Is the vaccine efficient against the new variant, probably not more than 50%. Just advice you to have a look back to March 2020, all the statements or promises from the politicians, so on doctors. Today 360000 deaths in the US, most of the countries in quarantine, covid stronger than never. Do you still believe the vaccine is efficient?

ExpatLover
01-03-21, 18:53
Not much more left to just believe what scientists say: That Moderna and Pfizer / Biontech vaccines are about 95% effective and it will (most likely) include current mutations. And they are already tracking those mutations and trying to adjust their vaccines.

BTW: 95% is a lot better then the flu vaccines. And it is touted as a miracle. But there are other such miracles - e.g. my 10inch-tablet never ceases to amaze me and it is a miracle too imo.

If i dont believe in that, i get even more depressed.Since the beginning of the pandemic we faced so much manipulations, first time we are getting a RNA vaccine, I will not take it for sure, the vaccine are very efficient 95% let wait a little bit to see the real efficiency, Pfister or Moderna will not tell a low efficiency, if they are so sure about their vaccine why in their contracts with the European countries they include that they are not responsible for the side effects of the vaccine, believe me stay far from this vaccine and protect yourself and wait few months.

Mursenary
01-03-21, 18:55
Don't you get it? The message was aimed at you.Apparently I'm not so sure. Pretty sure Chongmai says very little to me. Shoe, well he obviously flames me constantly.

ExpatLover
01-03-21, 19:00
Only 5% of the population in the US has received the vaccine. This assertion of vaccine efficiency (sic) regarding "new" strain is against all predictions by anyone with actual credentials. I'd expect this type of baselessness from Shoe or Gino but a retiree should have the years and wisdom to know better.Which medicine are you taking? It seems very strong, 5% of the US got the vaccine? When end of March or April perhaps.

BigBuddy69
01-03-21, 19:08
The government thought it was easier to let the epidemiologist make the decisions, for them it was a way to avoid accountability. The leading epidemiologist said several incorrect things that the public laughed at. This guy?


It's a big win for the country and the Swedish people. We Swedes are extremely fortunate and happy to have been guided through this mess by a man like Tegnell.
Guess the honeymoon is over.


People have died in Denmark, Norway and Finland as well. They are seeing new outbreaks while in Sweden the number of deaths are going down, down, down. Soon to be 0 a day. Herd immunity is a beautiful thing.Yes, when half of the population will be dead. And I think you're confusing "down" with "up". How is the herd immunity going these days? 4 months after you beat the virus?


The number of daily deaths in Sweden are close to zero, we had an excellent and scientific approach to this virus. It's rather obvious that we're getting close to herd immunity in Sweden. We've beaten the virus. Lockdowns are not working. Less than 5800 deaths in a country with over 10 million inhabitants, that's a low price to pay. Especially considering that those 5774 persons wouldn't have lived much longer anyway. Survival of the fittest and Herd Immunity for the Win!
....blablabla....
You need to stop lying. If reality is contradicting your opinions, then maybe you should reconsider your opinions. For each death 200 people have lost their jobs. Ok. So:

1 - More than 1.7 millions of people lost their job in Sweden, that's a lot. And in France, around 13 millions! Woah!

2 - Why is your government sending its people to the slaughter since more deaths equal more jobs lost?

BigBuddy69
01-03-21, 19:10
That sounds more like something you, big troll, would do. "Mursenary" is known for creating new accounts for himself.And Elvis 2008? He sounds a lot like you!

BigBuddy69
01-03-21, 19:20
So in other words you claim that Bidtroll was incorrect when he claimed that the flu came from USA? Good to know that you don't agree with him.No in other words he said that you can't understand a simple sentence in an article you're quoting. And if I am the guy known as Bidtroll (or maybe it's Joe Biden), you can't understand my sentences as well because I never said that the flu came from the USA. And I don't think Joe Biden did either.

BigBuddy69
01-03-21, 20:29
Don't you get it? The message was aimed at you.Oops sorry! I confused you with shooTroll!

ShooBree
01-03-21, 20:41
Then you respect when 50 billion Asians and 65.7 million French -1 respond to you with insults to you. Ok amazing. Of course, what do they know, right. I am guessing some know what Aspergers is though. Although it might be more difficult to recognize in Sweden. Google the symptoms. Zit will be clear. Perhaps Sweden has achieved herd immunity for Aspergers and is using it as a model for COVID.

There used to be a puppeteer in the LR. One of the most amazing shows ever played. Pulling the strings, summoning the wee folk from across the land. A new fair maiden was found. Little did the wee folk know that the puppeteer was also pulling the strings of the fair maiden. It should have been clear during foreplay and was nearly discovered while on a picnic eating sandwiches. Then the new temptress was brought in. She was known as Black Velvet. I true snake charmer but this day the puppet master had different plans. Agitate the snake, poke it, taunt it and see if it will strike in anger. Obviously it made an impression because the wee folk still tell stories about the day Black Velvet came and wouldn't leave the snake alone. It wasn't until the puppeteer brought out the tallest marionette with the shortest strings that the wee folk truly lost control. Smoke was billowing, flames were on the floor. The tallest mariannette was near the entrance and the wee folk was summoned my Bowser. The wee folk demanded the tallest mariannette be sent away but Bowser refused. The decision was made, the wee folk would implement self exile. Even when he came to bid the fair maiden goodbye, and found her and the entire cast sitting beside the puppet master, he declared his heartbreak and announced his exile. The puppet master celebrated with the cast. The story is famous. The wee folk still talk about lost love, the towering marionette. The rest who witnessed it speak about the inferno, the jilted wee folk, the first of multiple exiles, and the kick ass after party enjoyed most by the puppeteer.You seem to be confused. "50 billion Asians" sounds like a lot. LMFAO!

Mursenary
01-03-21, 20:52
Which medicine are you taking? It seems very strong, 5% of the US got the vaccine? When end of March or April perhaps.Excuse me. The post should have said less than 5%. Point is, you are juxtaposing vaccine efficacy with current prevalence when it has not even reached anywhere near critical mass (number). That's a very misleading argument.

ShooBree
01-03-21, 20:53
Oops sorry! I confused you with shooTroll!OMG, you're so incompetent. You commit mistake after mistake. You're a living example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Otherwise you would have been too embarrassed to make another post on here.

Mursenary
01-03-21, 20:55
Oops sorry! I confused you with shooTroll!Ouch bro, ouch. If I was being confused with him, that's a reality check on me, LOL.

ShooBree
01-03-21, 21:09
This guy?

Guess the honeymoon is over.

Yes, when half of the population will be dead. And I think you're confusing "down" with "up". How is the herd immunity going these days? 4 months after you beat the virus?

Ok. So:

1 - More than 1.7 millions of people lost their job in Sweden, that's a lot. And in France, around 13 millions! Woah!

2 - Why is your government sending its people to the slaughter since more deaths equal more jobs lost?1. I was obviously referring to USA, you really need to improve your reading comprehension.

2. Your question makes no sense, maybe you should learn English first? You sound like Sirioja.

Why is the French government destroying the labor market? Why are they taking away the opportunity for children to get a proper education? Why are they forcing businesses into bankruptcy? Why do they send people to slaughter? They send people to slaughter in a higher pace than Sweden and Brazil.

You are too unintelligent to understand that there are several different factors to take into account. When you become an adult you may understand that.

It is fascinating how obsessed with me you are, you should go see a professional psychologist.

Mursenary
01-03-21, 21:14
Then you respect when 50 billion Asians and 65.7 million French -1 respond to you with insults to you. Ok amazing. Of course, what do they know, right. I am guessing some know what Aspergers is though. Although it might be more difficult to recognize in Sweden. Google the symptoms. Zit will be clear. Perhaps Sweden has achieved herd immunity for Aspergers and is using it as a model for COVID.
Stay away from this one bud, he's not worth your time. It's too late for me. But save yourself!

ShooBree
01-03-21, 21:46
Yes, when half of the population will be dead. And I think you're confusing "down" with "up". How is the herd immunity going these days? 4 months after you beat the virus?
Hahah, you are obviously out of touch with reality. COVID-19 could never kill half the population. From where do you get these moronic ideas?

COVID-19 can only kill the old and weak. It's no worse than a cold for most people.

Get your facts right.

Kuni042
01-03-21, 22:04
I think you have a point. But we will inevitably wait a few months here in Europe. Because those stupid politicians ordered far too few shots. So I guess before it is my turn, already 50 million folks will have gotten their shots. And a few months have passed.


Since the beginning of the pandemic we faced so much manipulations, first time we are getting a RNA vaccine, I will not take it for sure, the vaccine are very efficient 95% let wait a little bit to see the real efficiency, Pfister or Moderna will not tell a low efficiency, if they are so sure about their vaccine why in their contracts with the European countries they include that they are not responsible for the side effects of the vaccine, believe me stay far from this vaccine and protect yourself and wait few months.

Mursenary
01-04-21, 03:14
Hahah, you are obviously out of touch with reality. COVID-19 could never kill half the population. From where do you get these moronic ideas?

COVID-19 can only kill the old and weak. It's no worse than a cold for most people.

Get your facts right.Listen, ever thought that the old and "weak" are some of the most important contributors to society? Fuck man, half of the world leaders and CEOs are old. Professors teaching generations of young minds are fucking old. Master mechanics and engineers are fucking old. The mother fucking grandfathers of computer science are fucking old. Grandmothers who take care of their grandkids are old. Lots of these old people are pretty fucking important and we actually need them to function as a society.

So stop being a douche and perhaps recognize that letting a lot of significant people die because you don't value their importance is an asshole move.

BigBuddy69
01-04-21, 05:58
1. I was obviously referring to USA, you really need to improve your reading comprehension..OK ShoeTroll. 350 000 deaths in USA, so 70 millions people lost their job. Quite a lot given the fact that there are something like 160 millions people in the labor market of the USA.

How was the breakup with the doc? Not too painful? And can we have an update on the herd immunity situation in Sweden please?

TimTheoDuncan
01-04-21, 11:42
Am currently making travel plans for 2021 while flights are cheap and refundable.

Right now, I have a trip planned to Germany for end Sep 2021 (plus Barcelona for Nov 2021).

What's the current consensus on.

1) Will FKKs be open again by Sep 2021 and how full would he.

2) Will the full menu of services be available even if they are open (esp BBBJ and DFK).

3) Any regional differences (right now planning on visiting Berlin and FRA for FKK (plus Munich for drinking but probably not FKK).

Kuni042
01-04-21, 14:47
One member is calling another member here essentially "moronic". And I find this highly disturbing. It is not OK.


Hahah, you are obviously out of touch with reality. COVID-19 could never kill half the population. From where do you get these moronic ideas?

COVID-19 can only kill the old and weak. It's no worse than a cold for most people.

Get your facts right.

Chongmal
01-04-21, 16:07
Am currently making travel plans for 2021 while flights are cheap and refundable.

Right now, I have a trip planned to Germany for end Sep 2021 (plus Barcelona for Nov 2021).

What's the current consensus on.

1) Will FKKs be open again by Sep 2021 and how full would he.

2) Will the full menu of services be available even if they are open (esp BBBJ and DFK).

3) Any regional differences (right now planning on visiting Berlin and FRA for FKK (plus Munich for drinking but probably not FKK).Everything is in flux. I say it will depend on the effectiveness of the vaccines, the virus' ability to mutate, what way the wind blows. The good point is flights are cheap and refundable.

As far as services go, some ladies will always offer everything you are willing to pay for. You will probably hear things like, I have had the virus 3 times now so I'm not worried. The same card plays for men. Personally, I'd book the tickets and smash the piggy bank before getting on the plane.

McAdonis
01-04-21, 16:14
Listen, ever thought that the old and "weak" are some of the most important contributors to society? Fuck man, half of the world leaders and CEOs are old. Professors teaching generations of young minds are fucking old. Master mechanics and engineers are fucking old. The mother fucking grandfathers of computer science are fucking old. Grandmothers who take care of their grandkids are old. Lots of these old people are pretty fucking important and we actually need them to function as a society.Physicians are also not that young of a population:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/415961/share-of-age-among-us-physicians/

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Healthcare_personnel_statistics_-_physicians

McAdonis
01-04-21, 16:34
I believe that it is laced with fear. Perhaps the person at the top is not afraid, or perhaps they are. The reality is how do you generate a mob backing. Fear is one of the most powerful tools available. This is evident through history. The bad guy is coming. The will rape, pillage and plunder. Violent crime will increase if we allow them in. They will try to overthrow our beliefs and our civilization.Scary headlines, get more clicks. Not saying that CV19 is all media hype, but "record number deaths" in the headline will get more clicks. If people are angry or scared, it will compel them to stay on the website longer. When the trolls on the far-left and far-right insult each other in the comments section and share the article with people in their respective echo chambers, they are spending more time online. This increase in engagement lines the pockets of the advertisers. Enemies can include but are not limited to: Muslims, feminists, gays, Mexicans, BLM protesters, libtards, Proud Boys, CCP.


I remember as a child when we had afraid drills during school. Funny thing, later in life I spoke with people my age on the other side. They also recalled air raid drills for when we attacked them. Neither of us had any personal dealings with each other but we had been taught to fear each other.I would say all global powers engage in disinformation campaigns. If Russian or CCP bots can deepen the cultural divides and erode the trust Americans have in their own institutions, then they are winning the information war and achieving their strategic political objectives without firing a shot. Even Trump has tweeted Sun Tzu's The Art of War: "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. " Pompeo, once jokingly said: "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. It's it was like we had entire training courses". Just like Xi or Putin, USA's leaders have a duty to advance the interests of its citizens.


During the Cold War, America's leaders saw nothing wrong with electoral interference, so long as the United States was conducting it. Dov Levin, a postdoctoral fellow at the Institute for Politics and Strategy at Carnegie Mellon University, has identified 62 American interventions in foreign elections between 1946 and 1989. The large majority like Russia's in 2016 were conducted in secret. And, overall, Americas favored candidates were no more committed to liberal democracy than their opponents; they simply appeared friendlier to American interests.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/the-us-has-a-long-history-of-election-meddling/565538/.

ShooBree
01-04-21, 17:39
OK ShoeTroll. 350 000 deaths in USA, so 70 millions people lost their job. Quite a lot given the fact that there are something like 160 millions people in the labor market of the USA.

How was the breakup with the doc? Not too painful? And can we have an update on the herd immunity situation in Sweden please?It's just a rhetorical question since I already know the answer.

At the time of my post 200 k had died and 40 million Americans had lost their jobs.

Why are you so dishonest? Is it because you know that I'm right and you're wrong?

ShooBree
01-04-21, 18:01
Listen, ever thought that the old and "weak" are some of the most important contributors to society? Fuck man, half of the world leaders and CEOs are old. Professors teaching generations of young minds are fucking old. Master mechanics and engineers are fucking old. The mother fucking grandfathers of computer science are fucking old. Grandmothers who take care of their grandkids are old. Lots of these old people are pretty fucking important and we actually need them to function as a society.

So stop being a douche and perhaps recognize that letting a lot of significant people die because you don't value their importance is an asshole move.You never heard of self-isolating? That's what they should do.

Most of those that dies only have themselves to blame. The rest are so old and weak that they can't even self-isolate.

Asking young people to sacrifice their future for a vegetable or rule-breaker is an asshole move.

ShooBree
01-04-21, 18:18
One member is calling another member here essentially "moronic". And I find this highly disturbing. It is not OK.But it's not one, it's at least two members on here calling another member bad words. Can you tell the two of them to stop?

Kuni042
01-04-21, 23:38
1) yes, by Sep 2021 a good number of FKKs will be open. I guess two major lock-downs bankrupted 20-50% of the sector, though. So watch ISG to see where most of the action is.

2) like Chongmal said.

3) I'd suggest NRW (LR, GT, Penelope, Samya, some RLDs, etc) - but everyone has their own preferences.


Am currently making travel plans for 2021 while flights are cheap and refundable.

Right now, I have a trip planned to Germany for end Sep 2021 (plus Barcelona for Nov 2021).

What's the current consensus on.

1) Will FKKs be open again by Sep 2021 and how full would he.

2) Will the full menu of services be available even if they are open (esp BBBJ and DFK).

3) Any regional differences (right now planning on visiting Berlin and FRA for FKK (plus Munich for drinking but probably not FKK).

Chongmal
01-05-21, 02:58
Then the new temptress was brought in. She was known as Black Velvet. I true snake charmer but this day the puppet master had different plans. Agitate the snake, poke it, taunt it and see if it will strike in anger. Obviously it made an impression because the wee folk still tell stories about the day Black Velvet came and wouldn't leave the snake alone.Due to multiple requests I will disclose the identity of one of the actors. Black Velvet is Mickey. She was often seen dancing to the song Black Velvet by Alannah Myles. Yes, all character are based on real people and the events described reflect real situations that happened.

Mursenary
01-05-21, 06:50
You never heard of self-isolating? That's what they should do.

Most of those that dies only have themselves to blame. The rest are so old and weak that they can't even self-isolate.

Asking young people to sacrifice their future for a vegetable or rule-breaker is an asshole move.First casting off the old and people you consider weak (how does one define weak anyway?) Now we're blaming them for breaking the rules as if a huge percentage of cases were not transmitted by a loved one in the very same household. Or perhaps if people were not misinformed by the very politicians you admire, the rules would have been taken more seriously.

I wonder how one would define weak? Someone having a chronic medical condition? Well, nearly half of all adults over 15 have at least one chronic medical condition and over 25% have multiple. From the population I see in FKK clubs, I can eyeball the number of people having at least one chronic condition to be north of 75%, easily over. My FKK crew's average age is probably under 45 and everyone of them has at least one medical condition, diagnosed or not. So there's a damn good chance that anyone reading this very post may be considered "weak. ".

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/5101558b-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/5101558b-en

Let me compare that to my current patient load in my ICU. Oh look, over 1/3 are <=50 and over 1/2 are <=65. Guess what, those hospitalization rates align perfectly with comorbidity prevalence as we age.

Now unless you want to actually be a positive voice and actually contribute real knowledge, would you please just go yell in some extremist echo chamber. Your malicious statements do nothing to help the public at large.

ExpatLover
01-05-21, 07:17
1) yes, by Sep 2021 a good number of FKKs will be open. I guess two major lock-downs bankrupted 20-50% of the sector, though. So watch ISG to see where most of the action is.

2) like Chongmal said.

3) I'd suggest NRW (LR, GT, Penelope, Samya, some RLDs, etc) - but everyone has their own preferences.Sorry but this is only a wish, if in October I had told you that there will be a new variant and that the UK will lock down the 5 January you will tell me I am negative. In fact the pandemic is completely out of control in most of the countries, probably the vaccine will not bring the expected level of protection and this time the different governments will be very careful about the return to normal life. Prostitution is not a priority, what will be the FKK scene after the pandemic nobody knows, probably a completely new business model, I believe a depressed LU. Knowing the number of deaths, the numbers of people suffering in their daily life I don t believe that P6 should be the main focus for the coming months. Sex is not forbidden, you can have so much sex you want, you just need to date girls.

Mursenary
01-05-21, 15:03
The worst part about you would be that you're a coward, and not your stupidity, hypocrisy, immaturity or dishonesty.

You would never dare to say a word to my face, you're such a coward.I don't trust men who have never had a proper ass kicking. That being said, I'm always down for a good tussle whether it be physical or verbal. Follow through and I'd gladly choose violence. Cheers!

BigBuddy69
01-05-21, 16:23
Are you sure it was a snake or just a tiny little worm?

Paulie97
01-05-21, 17:54
First casting off the old and people you consider weak (how does one define weak anyway?) Now we're blaming them for breaking the rules as if a huge percentage of cases were not transmitted by a loved one in the very same household. Or perhaps if people were not misinformed by the very politicians you admire, the rules would have been taken more seriously.

I wonder how one would define weak? Someone having a chronic medical condition? Well, nearly half of all adults over 15 have at least one chronic medical condition and over 25% have multiple. From the population I see in FKK clubs, I can eyeball the number of people having at least one chronic condition to be north of 75%, easily over. My FKK crew's average age is probably under 45 and everyone of them has at least one medical condition, diagnosed or not. So there's a damn good chance that anyone reading this very post may be considered "weak. ".

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/5101558b-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/5101558b-en

Let me compare that to my current patient load in my ICU. Oh look, over 1/3 are <=50 and over 1/2 are <=65. Guess what, those hospitalization rates align perfectly with comorbidity prevalence as we age.

Now unless you want to actually be a positive voice and actually contribute real knowledge, would you please just go yell in some extremist echo chamber. Your malicious statements do nothing to help the public at large.Sobering, but a breath of fresh air nonetheless. Truth is what is needed in times such as this. Thanks.

ShooBree
01-05-21, 17:57
Are you sure it was a snake or just a tiny little worm?The bigtroll is at it again. Someone give him his pacifier.

Paulie97
01-05-21, 17:59
The worst part about you would be that you're a coward, and not your stupidity, hypocrisy, immaturity or dishonesty.

You would never dare to say a word to my face, you're such a coward.He's finally come completely unhinged.

Shoobree you are a mediocre tool of far right / wing nut progaganda and you don't even know it.

BigBuddy69
01-05-21, 18:02
He's finally come completely unhinged.

Shoobree you are a mediocre tool of far right / wing nut progaganda and you don't even know it.This is one of his troll patterns. He found it in 'trolling 101'. He's constantly blaming people for what he's actually doing (lying, ignoring the facts, insulting everyone, twisting the truth) so he hopes than no one will dare to say the same thing to him.

BigBuddy69
01-05-21, 18:07
You never heard of self-isolating? That's what they should do.

Most of those that dies only have themselves to blame. The rest are so old and weak that they can't even self-isolate.

Asking young people to sacrifice their future for a vegetable or rule-breaker is an asshole move.People who can only blame themselves according to shooTroll because they were too old or weak:

https://people.com/human-interest/21-year-old-college-baseball-player-dies-coronavirus/

https://www.world-today-news.com/elia-18-had-to-be-amputated-following-the-coronavirus-i-am-a-miracle-protect-yourself-protect-others/

https://nypost.com/2020/09/30/nc-basketball-player-dies-of-neurological-problems-from-covid-19/

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/19/entertainment/nick-cordero-coronavirus-leg-amputation-trnd/index.html

What a real bunch of parasites!

ShooBree
01-05-21, 18:28
First casting off the old and people you consider weak (how does one define weak anyway?) Now we're blaming them for breaking the rules as if a huge percentage of cases were not transmitted by a loved one in the very same household. Or perhaps if people were not misinformed by the very politicians you admire, the rules would have been taken more seriously.

I wonder how one would define weak? Someone having a chronic medical condition? Well, nearly half of all adults over 15 have at least one chronic medical condition and over 25% have multiple. From the population I see in FKK clubs, I can eyeball the number of people having at least one chronic condition to be north of 75%, easily over. My FKK crew's average age is probably under 45 and everyone of them has at least one medical condition, diagnosed or not. So there's a damn good chance that anyone reading this very post may be considered "weak. ".Yawn, it's called survival of the fittest. The fittest don't die from Covid-19, the old, weak and extremely unlucky might die. Either way it's not my problem.

One could have thought that the CEO: s and world leaders you brought up in your previous post would be privileged and smart enough to quarantine properly.

If you need the politicians to spoon feed you information, well, you're not all that bright. The problem is that gullible people like you need the liberal fake news to tell you what to say, think and feel. The liberal media told you to be scared so now you're scared. And I'm laughing my ass off.

I'm telling the truth, the fact that you don't want to hear it only makes it more fun to write.

Anyways you failed to address the immorality of sacrificing young people that have nothing to fear from Covid-19. Were you, are you, okay with people dying from the regular flu or did you demand lockdowns before Covid-19 as well?

ShooBree
01-05-21, 18:35
He's finally come completely unhinged.

Shoobree you are a mediocre tool of far right / wing nut progaganda and you don't even know it.Did CNN teach you to say that? LMFAO!

You can say what you want, I don't take you seriously anyways because you're obviously brainwashed by the liberal fake news. To me you're just another puppet. You just don't understand any better. My only question would be what you're even doing on this site since you've contributed nothing on the topic of P4P.

ShooBree
01-05-21, 18:53
Sobering, but a breath of fresh air nonetheless. Truth is what is needed in times such as this. Thanks.The truth is that COVID-19 is a joke, most people don't even know that they've been infected. It's the old and weak that are dying. Those that can't even self-isolate or take care of themselves. Those that would die anyways.

Sailor501
01-05-21, 20:16
"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. ".

Chief Tecumseh.

Mursenary
01-05-21, 21:05
"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. ".

― Chief Tecumseh.Didn't his people basically get wiped out and he himself was killed in war? Quote sounds nice in theory though.

Paulie97
01-05-21, 21:07
"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. ".

― Chief Tecumseh.But Tecumseh didn't "show respect to all people. " because he was frequently at war. Whether right, wrong, or indifferent in his case, some views aren't worthy of respect, nor are the people who persist in and act on them. That includes those who spread Covid myths that if applied, lead to the lose of many lives. That includes a dictatorial president who is persistently trying to overturn a democratically held election. In such cases no respect is warranted. Ultimately Tecumseh's idealism was met with reality.

TimTheoDuncan
01-05-21, 22:22
1) yes, by Sep 2021 a good number of FKKs will be open. I guess two major lock-downs bankrupted 20-50% of the sector, though. So watch ISG to see where most of the action is.

2) like Chongmal said.

3) I'd suggest NRW (LR, GT, Penelope, Samya, some RLDs, etc) - but everyone has their own preferences.Thanks to you and chongmal for the perspective. Here's hoping that 2021 is a better time for us mongers than 2020.

Paulie97
01-06-21, 02:13
This is one of his troll patterns. He found it in 'trolling 101'. He's constantly blaming people for what he's actually doing (lying, ignoring the facts, insulting everyone, twisting the truth) so he hopes than no one will dare to say the same thing to him.You can bet your life on this, he's going to be here, and will match you post for post to the very end. He's down in the basement in his computer chair 24/7, and mom is always available to bring him another jar of pickled herring.

ShooBree
01-06-21, 04:47
People who can only blame themselves according to shooTroll because they were too old or weak:

https://people.com/human-interest/21-year-old-college-baseball-player-dies-coronavirus/

https://www.world-today-news.com/elia-18-had-to-be-amputated-following-the-coronavirus-i-am-a-miracle-protect-yourself-protect-others/

https://nypost.com/2020/09/30/nc-basketball-player-dies-of-neurological-problems-from-covid-19/

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/19/entertainment/nick-cordero-coronavirus-leg-amputation-trnd/index.html

What a real bunch of parasites!You're aware that young people died because of the regular flu before you even knew that COVID-19 existed? Why were you quiet when young people died because of the regular flu?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1127799/influenza-us-mortality-rate-by-age-group/

It's obvious that I'm much more knowledgeable than you.

ShooBree
01-06-21, 04:48
You can bet your life on this, he's going to be here, and will match you post for post to the very end. He's down in the basement in his computer chair 24/7, and mom is always available to bring him another jar of pickled herring.Are you talking about yourself, Mursenary or the bigtroll?

Mursenary
01-06-21, 07:48
Yawn, it's called survival of the fittest. The fittest don't die from Covid-19, the old, weak and extremely unlucky might die. Either way it's not my problem.

One could have thought that the CEO: s and world leaders you brought up in your previous post would be privileged and smart enough to quarantine properly.

If you need the politicians to spoon feed you information, well, you're not all that bright. The problem is that gullible people like you need the liberal fake news to tell you what to say, think and feel. The liberal media told you to be scared so now you're scared. And I'm laughing my ass off.

I'm telling the truth, the fact that you don't want to hear it only makes it more fun to write.

Anyways you failed to address the immorality of sacrificing young people that have nothing to fear from Covid-19. Were you, are you, okay with people dying from the regular flu or did you demand lockdowns before Covid-19 as well?It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, a lay person attempting to lecture a healthcare and public health professional about the nature of a public health threat. You are completely unaware of the downstream threat that an overloaded healthcare system poses on those not even affected by covid19.

I remember when I used to think like you. Completely self-oriented, so consumed with personal gain that you're unable to invest in others to achieve a mutually beneficial scenario. It's a slave mentality that is ultimately self-limiting.

There are over 195 sovereign nations in the world. If you don't like the policies that the collective majority support in a particular area, you are free to find a society that better suits your ideals of "survival of the fittest."

We live in a collective society. Humans became the dominant species because our society evolved to produce something better than the sum of our parts. Again, if you don't like the law of the land, feel free to find other lands free of the chains of collective society where you can strive to live your survival of the "fittest ideals."

Mursenary
01-06-21, 07:57
Real facts are when FKK were on top for girls, on 2016 for me, so not so long ago for a so old guy like me, and I perform better in my sports now than then, I was many weeks 5 days in brothels from Thursday evening when I woke up at 5/6 am, worked all day, then drove 5 hours, to Monday to Tuesday night, driving back to be in Paris on Tuesday morning to go to work. On April 2016 , even driving from Sharks to French Alps on Saturday to Sunday night and back to Sharks on Sunday to Monday night, nearly 2000 kms to go and back, and discovered wow Katalina on Monday evening for 2 hours and 2 rounds discovery and I followed to Globe. 5 days per week in FKK, not sleeping and no need of Viagra, but a real sporty, my sports and passion being my best Viagra, not just emptying balls. Don t US medical know when You are healthy and really sporty, You can make more resistance with age, You resist better to long efforts and pain, what make me still improve my records in most extreme climbing for professionals, at least French medical have knowledge about this, and on this Summer I even found new extreme playfield col de la Loze, to repeat to improve on next Summer. So, fucking, even in Sharks chalets I love in garden, even under high heat, is so easy for me, not for girls. But are You or who else here? Able to perform my sports when I go every Summer and Winter for this and still improving my performances, improving technique, materiel, like good old French wine. Most difficult for me is only to find interesting beauties, but as I m able to adapt, I made dark 2020 not so bad with more than 12 girls I enjoyed, 1 for 5 rooms, 1 for 3.Could have probably said all of that in 3 sentences. Instead we get subjected to the same 3 stories a grandpa with dementia keeps telling the grandkids over and over and over again.

Question, when was the past life you talked about? You know, the one where you had relationships with normal women and before you committed to a life of climbing mountains and pleasing prostitutes. How old were you when you gave up that past life?

Mursenary
01-06-21, 08:15
Real facts are when FKK were on top for girls, on 2016 for me, so not so long ago for a so old guy like me, and I perform better in my sports now than then, I was many weeks 5 days in brothels from Thursday evening when I woke up at 5/6 am, worked all day, then drove 5 hours, to Monday to Tuesday night, driving back to be in Paris on Tuesday morning to go to work. On April 2016 , even driving from Sharks to French Alps on Saturday to Sunday night and back to Sharks on Sunday to Monday night, nearly 2000 kms to go and back, and discovered wow Katalina on Monday evening for 2 hours and 2 rounds discovery and I followed to Globe. 5 days per week in FKK, not sleeping and no need of Viagra, but a real sporty, my sports and passion being my best Viagra, not just emptying balls. Don t US medical know when You are healthy and really sporty, You can make more resistance with age, You resist better to long efforts and pain, what make me still improve my records in most extreme climbing for professionals, at least French medical have knowledge about this, and on this Summer I even found new extreme playfield col de la Loze, to repeat to improve on next Summer. So, fucking, even in Sharks chalets I love in garden, even under high heat, is so easy for me, not for girls. But are You or who else here? Able to perform my sports when I go every Summer and Winter for this and still improving my performances, improving technique, materiel, like good old French wine. Most difficult for me is only to find interesting beauties, but as I m able to adapt, I made dark 2020 not so bad with more than 12 girls I enjoyed, 1 for 5 rooms, 1 for 3. And made my Summer great, even I couldn't perform all my climbing, because suffering from anemia after 2 weeks of daily climbing, so needed time to recover to be able to perform again, and even finished with snow on road on top of Agnel 2744 meters high on end of October, I didn't see anybody else when it was a sunny Sunday, climbing topless, when snow and less than 5 degrees on top, a wonderful day. I didn't think I could, but I m still able, at my old age, with my stamina, strength and power, and proud under shower or when naked in front of girls.Could have probably said all of that in 3 sentences. Instead we get a subjected to the same 3 stories a grandpa with dementia keeps telling the grandkids over and over and over again.

Question, when was the past life you talked about? You know, the one where you had relationships with normal women and before you committed to a life of climbing mountains and pleasing prostitutes. How old were you?

BigBuddy69
01-06-21, 08:33
Anyways you failed to address the immorality of sacrificing young people that have nothing to fear from Covid-19. Were you, are you, okay with people dying from the regular flu or did you demand lockdowns before Covid-19 as well?https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-similarities-and-differences-with-influenza

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20) 30527-0/ fulltext.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

McAdonis
01-06-21, 10:49
The truth is that COVID-19 is a joke, most people don't even know that they've been infected.Most people have not been infected yet. At one time, it was believed that the number of actual infections is 6-24 times the number of confirmed cases. Just looking at USA's confirmed cases, we now know that we are probably at the low end of that estimate (perhaps even lower). USA has over 21 million confirmed cases with a population of 328 million. If the number of actual infections was say eight times the number of confirmed cases, USA would be at 170 million actual infections. That would be 52 percent of the population, which would be approaching theoretical herd immunity. But the number of confirmed new daily cases does not seem to be dropping in USA, which would suggest that USA is not yet approaching herd immunity. Czech Rep has an even higher confirmed cases per capita, and their new daily cases also do not seem to be dropping yet.

Chongmal
01-06-21, 14:59
There used to be a puppeteer in the LR. One of the most amazing shows ever played. Pulling the strings, summoning the wee folk from across the land. A new fair maiden was found. Little did the wee folk know that the puppeteer was also pulling the strings of the fair maiden. It should have been clear during foreplay and was nearly discovered while on a picnic eating sandwiches. Then the new temptress was brought in. She was known as Black Velvet. I true snake charmer but this day the puppet master had different plans. Agitate the snake, poke it, taunt it and see if it will strike in anger. Obviously it made an impression because the wee folk still tell stories about the day Black Velvet came and wouldn't leave the snake alone. It wasn't until the puppeteer brought out the tallest marionette with the shortest strings that the wee folk truly lost control. Smoke was billowing, flames were on the floor. The tallest mariannette was near the entrance and the wee folk was summoned my Bowser. The wee folk demanded the tallest mariannette be sent away but Bowser refused. The decision was made, the wee folk would implement self exile. Even when he came to bid the fair maiden goodbye, and found her and the entire cast sitting beside the puppet master, he declared his heartbreak and announced his exile. The puppet master celebrated with the cast. The story is famous. The wee folk still talk about lost love, the towering marionette. The rest who witnessed it speak about the inferno, the jilted wee folk, the first of multiple exiles, and the kick ass after party enjoyed most by the puppeteer.We have all heard the Sandwich story and recognize the Actress as Danielle's I previously told you the Black Velvet is Mickey. Daniella and I spent many nights with her in my vouch giving me pleasure. The tallest marrienette is Jane.

Mursenary
01-06-21, 15:59
You can bet your life on this, he's going to be here, and will match you post for post to the very end. He's down in the basement in his computer chair 24/7, and mom is always available to bring him another jar of pickled herring.Let's be honest, he's getting what he wants, attention that was withheld by mommy, daddy, and any peer since childhood. Much like our French Poet, conversation is lost here because they are completely inward looking. The outside world exists to serve them. There is no desire by these types to share information, points of view, or learn from others. They are the types who just need to feel significant by whatever means possible. One needs to assuage the years of Napoleon syndrome, needing to construct an alternate reality in which he is above all others. The other lives even further down the bottom of the barrel. He's given up on positive relationships altogether. At this point, any human interaction at all, even loathing by others, keeps him from drowning in a pool of insignificance.

Replies and recognition of their posts are basically acts of charity.

BigBuddy69
01-06-21, 16:50
It's obvious that I'm much more knowledgeable than you.Yes but only in the domain of 'total bullshit'.

You're also very qualified in self persuasion.

But in persuading the others, not so much.

Or you're persuade them that you're totally out of your mind.

What's the herd immunity level in Sweden nowadays? Close to 90 %, 6 months after you beat the virus?

PaulInZurich
01-06-21, 17:41
Question, when was the past life you talked about? You know, the one where you had relationships with normal women..They were not normal women, they were all extremely beautiful and all those women were totally in love with him and had the best sex of their lives with him.

BigBuddy69
01-06-21, 18:19
I remember when I used to think like you. Completely self-oriented."How old were you? 5, or maybe 13? Didn't want to let other kids play with your Nintendo?

BigBuddy69
01-06-21, 18:51
Beware my friend, you're starting to quote yourself, on this board this is often a sign of deliquescence.

Soon you'll write sentences with half of the words missing, you'll do dick contests under the showers and you'll start a love affair with some pillar.

ShooBree
01-06-21, 19:01
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, a lay person attempting to lecture a healthcare and public health professional about the nature of a public health threat. You are completely unaware of the downstream threat that an overloaded healthcare system poses on those not even affected by covid19.

I remember when I used to think like you. Completely self-oriented, so consumed with personal gain that you're unable to invest in others to achieve a mutually beneficial scenario. It's a slave mentality that is ultimately self-limiting.

There are over 195 sovereign nations in the world. If you don't like the policies that the collective majority support in a particular area, you are free to find a society that better suits your ideals of "survival of the fittest."

We live in a collective society. Humans became the dominant species because our society evolved to produce something better than the sum of our parts. Again, if you don't like the law of the land, feel free to find other lands free of the chains of collective society where you can strive to live your survival of the "fittest ideals."You're a incompetent troll. Of course I know better than you. If you weren't so full of yourself you would have realized that much earlier. The lockdowns poses a severe threat to the health of many that wouldn't have any problems with C19.

I know that you socialists don't like free speech but I still live in a free country where I'm not obligated to keep quiet, move or agree with the government.

The question is more why you want to harm the overwhelming majority with the future ahead of them to keep vegetables alive. They have already lived their lives and should have the decency to wish the same for future generations. Life is too short to be wasted on lockdowns, especially the good years.

ShooBree
01-06-21, 19:04
Yes but only in the domain of 'total bullshit'.

You're also very qualified in self persuasion.

But in persuading the others, not so much.

Or you're persuade them that you're totally out of your mind.

What's the herd immunity level in Sweden nowadays? Close to 90 %, 6 months after you beat the virus?Ridiculous. You're good for nothing but lying, trolling and personal attacks.

ShooBree
01-06-21, 19:08
Let's be honest, he's getting what he wants, attention that was withheld by mommy, daddy, and any peer since childhood. Much like our French Poet, conversation is lost here because they are completely inward looking. The outside world exists to serve them. There is no desire by these types to share information, points of view, or learn from others. They are the types who just need to feel significant by whatever means possible. One needs to assuage the years of Napoleon syndrome, needing to construct an alternate reality in which he is above all others. The other lives even further down the bottom of the barrel. He's given up on positive relationships altogether. At this point, any human interaction at all, even loathing by others, keeps him from drowning in a pool of insignificance.

Replies and recognition of their posts are basically acts of charity.Hahaha, you're out of your mind. You're obviously self-projecting. You kept replying to my posts to other members even after I banned you from seeing my posts. That's how desperate you're! Just admit it, you're a troll coming to this just to have verbal fights with other members. You're pathetic. Imagine if you actually contributed to the topic of this website P4P.

You're a stalker.

BigBuddy69
01-06-21, 19:23
It's just a rhetorical question since I already know the answer.

At the time of my post 200 k had died and 40 million Americans had lost their jobs.

Why are you so dishonest? Is it because you know that I'm right and you're wrong?https://www.ilo.org/shinyapps/bulkexplorer20/?lang=en&segment=ref_area&id=USA_M

Pick the three first filters, for the indicators choose working age population, labour force, employment, employment to population ratio, unemployment, unemployment rate (every indicator by sex and age).

For sex choose total. For age choose aggregate bands: total.

Highest level of employment: 159,1 M in October 2019.

Lowest level: 133,3 M in April 2020.

Difference: around 26 M. Anything else? You're welcome.

One last thing: you wrote this post in December 2020. The level of employment was 150,2 M in 2020. Difference with October 2019: something like 9 M?


Replies and recognition of their posts are basically acts of charity.Yes but it can be terribly time consuming.

Sirioja
01-06-21, 19:25
Could have probably said all of that in 3 sentences. Instead we get a subjected to the same 3 stories a grandpa with dementia keeps telling the grandkids over and over and over again.

Question, when was the past life you talked about? You know, the one where you had relationships with normal women and before you committed to a life of climbing mountains and pleasing prostitutes. How old were you?I'm happy I didn't go to brothels until end of 2012, nor to escorts started only on end of 2010, being over 40, but having before normal life with normal women and learning much more about sexuality, erotism with normal women. You started prostitutes much younger than me and believing so ridiculous bullshit from the craziest Sharks girl who was ready for anything with so many. I was never in such situation with any prostitute. I started free riding at 18 and bicycle climbing before 40, and my girlfriends didn't like, nor my cars, jealous because I didn't spend all my time to take care of them. I rebuilt 2 divorced women with child, who were only mother, when 1 divorced after we met only for job, when she had a child, I never touched her before she took her decision, but because she wanted to become a woman. If my life didn't change, I didn't know about FKK land nor escorts before and I really didn't need.

BigBuddy69
01-06-21, 20:26
Hahaha, you're out of your mind. You're obviously self-projecting. You kept replying to my posts to other members even after I banned you from seeing my posts.Everyone would thank you if you could do the same for all of us but unfortunately I'm afraid it's impossible.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=Ignore&titleandtext=1&match=all

The ignore list just doesn't work like that.

Or maybe you're the Admin and you forced yourself into his ignore list but I strongly doubt that.

Actually I'm thinking about putting you into my ignore list, and maybe everyone should do the same, except some AI bots reacting to your rants so you'll still have the feeling that some persons live in your fantasy world.

ShooBree
01-06-21, 20:54
Everyone would thank you if you could do the same for all of us but unfortunately I'm afraid it's impossible.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=Ignore&titleandtext=1&match=all

The ignore list just doesn't work like that.

Or maybe you're the Admin and you forced yourself into his ignore list but I strongly doubt that.

Actually I'm thinking about putting you into my ignore list, and maybe everyone should do the same, except some AI bots reacting to your rants so you'll still have the feeling that some persons live in your fantasy world.You're such a moron, it's not possible for you to see my posts if I put you on ignore. So it basically serves as a ban. How dumb are you?

I know that you're scared of my posts because you can't argument against them. You've already embarrassed yourself by failing to understand the difference between millions and billions. Not to mention how I exposed France for not contributing as much as they should to the EU.

Mursenary
01-06-21, 21:18
Hahaha, you're out of your mind. You're obviously self-projecting. You kept replying to my posts to other members even after I banned you from seeing my posts. That's how desperate you're! Just admit it, you're a troll coming to this just to have verbal fights with other members. You're pathetic. Imagine if you actually contributed to the topic of this website P4P.

You're a stalker.Apparently you don't know how the ban function works.

ShooBree
01-06-21, 21:31
Everyone would thank you if you could do the same for all of us but unfortunately I'm afraid it's impossible.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=Ignore&titleandtext=1&match=all

The ignore list just doesn't work like that.

Or maybe you're the Admin and you forced yourself into his ignore list but I strongly doubt that.

Actually I'm thinking about putting you into my ignore list, and maybe everyone should do the same, except some AI bots reacting to your rants so you'll still have the feeling that some persons live in your fantasy world.It's obvious that you are desperate for attention and self-projecting your sick behavior on me. You live in a fantasy world where a closed museums equals a lockdown.

You understand that people are laughing at you?

BigBuddy69
01-07-21, 07:33
You're such a moron, it's not possible for you to see my posts if I put you on ignore. So it basically serves as a ban. How dumb are you?.No ShooAss. If you put me on ignore, you won't be able to read my posts. Got it? That's what's written in the FAQ. The FAQ that I quoted desperately hoping that for once, some light will flicker in your IKEA brain.

Sirioja
01-07-21, 12:17
They were not normal women, they were all extremely beautiful and all those women were totally in love with him and had the best sex of their lives with him.Did you ever have a married wife with a not yet 3 yo child, of course she was not happy with her husband, when she told me and asked me advice, when we knew only since 1 month and only for job, but she needed to talk to me very often, and I advised her not to divorce, of course I didn't know she didn't have woman life, when all guys were looking at her, but she took decision very fast and even telling me she didn't like sex, he was her first, but she wanted a woman life, not only mother nor preparing foods nor washing clothes. When I asked her why she changed her life about me, because she didn't want to tell me it was for me, she answered: because I gave to no other guy so many opportunities to make me sexual proposition you had and you never did, you never even kissed me when we met at job, few times when I had to come to kiss you, I turned face to surprise you and you always put your face back, I even thought you didn't like me, even you always answered me at job and were free to listen to my problems. From my exceptional elegant mother, I learned, even not running after them, power You can get with women, with many who like to speak with me, many telling me about boring sex they have with their man only able to empty balls but not to give them orgasm, so they prefer to play sick to avoid and some really fall sick from stress to get this low level of sexuality, when being only working together or friends or relatives, without having sex with them. Women need to speak to men who are able to listen and hear their meaning. Then, if you are not too ugly, when girls like to touch my hair or face, even telling I have beautiful eyes, when they should better say: I like the way you look at me, then you know a bit how to behave and quite same in brothels.

Mursenary
01-07-21, 14:37
You understand that people are laughing at you?Hmmm. Do you?

Turgid
01-07-21, 15:37
I do say this Rants and WTF is the most entertaining thread on ISG. You guys won't believe how much I've been laughing at these posts. A good medicine in this lockdown especially as I have not banged a hooker for 2121. I'm testing myself to see how long I can go without sex. I try not to think of my past FKK girlfriends during this period.

ShooBree
01-07-21, 16:03
No ShooAss. If you put me on ignore, you won't be able to read my posts. Got it? That's what's written in the FAQ. The FAQ that I quoted desperately hoping that for once, some light will flicker in your IKEA brain.Wow, you're still here! I thought I told your mother to explain for you the difference between millions and billions and that closed museums doesn't equal a lockdown.

Also, your mother should explain the content of this link for you:

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/

Mursenary
01-07-21, 16:17
I'm happy I didn't go to brothels until end of 2012, nor to escorts started only on end of 2010, being over 40, but having before normal life with normal women and learning much more about sexuality, erotism with normal women.It seems that you're not telling the truth. What other stories are you fabricating?

Mursenary
01-07-21, 16:53
No ShooAss. If you put me on ignore, you won't be able to read my posts. Got it? That's what's written in the FAQ. The FAQ that I quoted desperately hoping that for once, some light will flicker in your IKEA brain.Between this and the American politics thread, he's getting too cum drunk from all of the attention. The constant flaming by others is like bukkake for him. I think someone got some jizz in his eye. Cut him some slack, he couldn't read the FAQs section very well with his right eye shut.

ExpatLover
01-07-21, 17:12
I'm happy I didn't go to brothels until end of 2012, nor to escorts started only on end of 2010, being over 40, but having before normal life with normal women and learning much more about sexuality, erotism with normal women. You started prostitutes much younger than me and believing so ridiculous bullshit from the craziest Sharks girl who was ready for anything with so many. I was never in such situation with any prostitute. I started free riding at 18 and bicycle climbing before 40, and my girlfriends didn't like, nor my cars, jealous because I didn't spend all my time to take care of them. I rebuilt 2 divorced women with child, who were only mother, when 1 divorced after we met only for job, when she had a child, I never touched her before she took her decision, but because she wanted to become a woman. If my life didn't change, I didn't know about FKK land nor escorts before and I really didn't need.This is also the case for me, sex with normal woman are far more diverse and exciting than with a prostitute, specially in the FKK where they get fucked 10 or 20 times per day, they create a kind of scenario to protect themselves. Sometimes with escorts through VIP agencies you can meet some no pro girls who behave like normal woman, happened to me may be 3 times in 10 years. But for those who are able to fuck Sylvania all this is not a topic to be discussed.

Jimmy Boy 99
01-07-21, 19:14
It seems that you're not telling the truth. What other stories are you fabricating?He registered on the site October 2012. That's not end of 2012 enough for you?

Sirioja
01-07-21, 21:27
]At least, this many profiles US faker proved I use only 1 profile, on Youppie before, since end of 2012 to mid 2014 and claimed specialists there became so crazy jealous about my weekly writings about my weekly visits, and now here, since end of 2014, only 1 Sirioja who don 't need to hide even under shower, proud of my image even under shower, since I played football and I still love to play football in Oase garden, when no more ball now at Sharks. Was also funny to play in small LR garden with Nelli. Tu who play well, nice to see her in Switzerland, and Ruby on high heels, funny girl, during 2018 Worldcup, sorry again for guy I kicked ball in face, I need to practice more to kick ball in holes. But really amazing to get so obsessed followers, not only him, there was another US about World, of course a fat bald French who gave him this from other forum where I wrote before and also another French still reading all what I write, who wrote like he was me, when a US at LR made read to my regular good surprise my writings here. At least only 1 profile and I don't need to make read to girls about others writings, waste of time for me, when I prefer to enjoy beauties who usually return to me. But land of jealousy and crazy, like Trump yesterday, incredible shameful image for US from a banana crazy killing democracy.

Chongmal
01-08-21, 06:28
] when a US at LR made read to my regular good surprise my writings here.You write this like this US actually had the power to make a regular, 3 rooms seems a bit lite to be a regular, read your writings. As this US said before, the flame was on the floor, not in the bed. A wee folk made a wee donkey out of himself. The object of his affection, Daniella, was poisoned not by a jealous man but rather by Eve. Eve was known for eating fruit from the tree of knowledge and shared that knowledge with others. Daniella went to a known visitor of this site demanding to see the wee folks literary masterpieces, specifically where the she was worshipped. As the US has explained to the Wee Folk on multiple occasions in person, he explained to the Daniella that the Wee Folk never mentioned her and then showed her that was fact. Yes, there were at least a half dozen ladies surrounding the Daniella and the US telling stories about the peculiar behaviors of the Wee Folk. This was not the US telling these stories but witnessing them. Stories about taking a bar stool and sitting in the middle of the walk way and staring at prior prostitutes who had sessions with the wee folk while they tried to work with other customers. Standing in door ways preventing clear passage without having to step over the wee folk. The wee folk following the lady of his affection when she went to the room with another customer. These were stories told by the ladies seen near the US and Daniella that night. Some of the ladies in question, Nelly, Jane, the Theresa, Isabella. This is all fact and even in the post coital uforically deliriously dazed mind of the the Wee Folk these facts are undeniable. It was not jealousy the US had for the wee folk. No, it was pity and embarrassment.

Sirioja
01-08-21, 11:07
This is also the case for me, sex with normal woman are far more diverse and exciting than with a prostitute, specially in the FKK where they get fucked 10 or 20 times per day, they create a kind of scenario to protect themselves. Sometimes with escorts through VIP agencies you can meet some no pro girls who behave like normal woman, happened to me may be 3 times in 10 years. But for those who are able to fuck Sylvania all this is not a topic to be discussed.Yes, I agree real life normal women are higher level and more interesting, but I enjoyed some nice beauties in FKK, even on this year between covid. I like those following improving for me, working weekly together, like Kate or at LR. I also like with some long time in business when they are still fresh look and in mind, like Iranian Sepid in Vienna on this Summer, or I remember Alyssa at LR, I had to wait my weekly regular who didn't want I go with other girls, went on holidays, even I didn't go with her after her birthday, but then easier and more relaxing to discover sweet Alyssa, even she was since long time in business but real sweetness back when taking care of her. And when she saw me with my regular who gave me so great welcome, delaying her appointments for our usual 2 rooms, I saw her shy sad smile, for manners, I should have stayed with her, as said Daria: but she doesn't deserve your behavior for her, about my regular. And in brothels, even I can accept when girls I like ask not to go with others, I don t want You do this for others some say, even I like to meet weekly good girls, but we are not married nor children, so when not working anymore for me, easier and faster to stop and to try to find next one to play again. I just don't understand why so many turned really angry when I stopped, when they didn't behave like this with many who are not so faithful than me, and most had other guys waiting to fuck them, so they could get new better business than a bad guy like me, but really angry, even was told I humiliated her when refusing on 2 Friday to go with her. Will see what will be future casting, when beauties are more and more rare, even at Globe or for now escorts in Paris, and never felt wow at Aphrodisia, but sometimes find one and only one is enough for me, I m easy for this. Easy game in brothels, just have to pay for time spent and to be able to create what You look for, not more.

Turgid
01-08-21, 14:40
]......... But land of jealousy and crazy, like Trump yesterday, incredible shameful image for US from a banana crazy killing democracy.One should not judge an entire country by one person same way I would not judge France by Macron. I prefer to judge France by someone like Edith Piaf, one of my favorite singers.

The Cane
01-08-21, 14:50
One should not judge an entire country by one person same way I would not judge France by Macron. I prefer to judge France by someone like Edith Piaf, one of my favorite singers.He certainly is not America. He is an ugly aberration to be left on the trash heap of history. Our democracy remains strong, and will rebound after his disastrous presidency. I hope some Americans have really learned a painful lesson, especially the GOP. You lost the White House, the House of Representatives, and the Senate following this petty little man. Who then went and egged on a bunch of hooligans to desecrate the very heart of democracy. We have the guy recorded trying to shake down people for extra votes! Pathetic, disgusting, and sad.

HammerTime96
01-08-21, 15:35
It seems that you're not telling the truth. What other stories are you fabricating?The guys is a complete joke, rambling in incomprehensible 'google-translate-English,' thinking he's God's Gift to women, talking about skiing, supposedly being fluent in Russian (yet unable to learn English since 2012), supposedly "racing" on the Autobahn (in his beat-up little Renault that will barely go faster than 80-90 MPH), and climbing mountains yet he's spending 365 days per year on a prostitution forum.

Mursenary
01-08-21, 16:53
He registered on the site October 2012. That's not end of 2012 enough for you?I'd implore you to read the post and you will see the year 2007.

Mursenary
01-08-21, 17:08
You write this like this US actually had the power to make a regular, 3 rooms seems a bit lite to be a regular, read your writings. As this US said before, the flame was on the floor, not in the bed. A wee folk made a wee donkey out of himself.Nice to see ya on the other side! You are right when saying that the wee is quite protected. Admins advised to take the fighting words to the rants thread. Results are mixed so far.

BigBuddy69
01-08-21, 17:40
One should not judge an entire country by one person same way I would not judge France by Macron. I prefer to judge France by someone like Edith Piaf, one of my favorite singers.You can do what you want as long as you don't judge us by Pepe LePew!

ShooBree
01-08-21, 17:48
He certainly is not America. He is an ugly aberration to be left on the trash heap of history. Our democracy remains strong, and will rebound after his disastrous presidency. I hope some Americans have really learned a painful lesson, especially the GOP. You lost the White House, the House of Representatives, and the Senate following this petty little man. Who then went and egged on a bunch of hooligans to desecrate the very heart of democracy. We have the guy recorded trying to shake down people for extra votes! Pathetic, disgusting, and sad.What's disgusting are all the riots caused by BLM and antifa. Not to mention how disgusted I am by Biden and his divisive rhetoric. Biden is repeating a rhetoric that's not only the cause of violent riots, or terrorism as he would call it, but also the murders of innocent policemen.

Liberals are guilty of all the things they accuse Trump of. They hate him so much because he's a Republican version of themselves.

BigBuddy69
01-08-21, 18:06
I do say this Rants and WTF is the most entertaining thread on ISG.It's also the most pathetic when you realize that these guys have voting rights, a driving license, maybe a job with responsibilities.

Sirioja
01-08-21, 18:50
One should not judge an entire country by one person same way I would not judge France by Macron. I prefer to judge France by someone like Edith Piaf, one of my favorite singers.I wrote Trump gave a so bad image of US, during covid and now becoming crazy terrorist, really crazy dangerous banana president for US democracy, but really amazing so many US are following and voted for him, when Macron I didn't vote for, is not a danger for us nor the world, I think he has a bit more brain. Actor cow boy Reagan was also a funny image in front of the world and you have your dark, beyond laws CIA, but where were they on 11 September or this week, arriving after the war. Only 5 deaths is not so much, with so many Trumpist with weapons, to kill blacks, when no more Indians in far West. You have good taste for Edith Piaf. Despite US history about blacks, but from Louis Armstrong to Stevie Wonder, but Elvis was white, but a black music lover.

Sirioja
01-08-21, 21:30
The guys is a complete joke, rambling in incomprehensible 'google-translate-English,' thinking he's God's Gift to women, talking about skiing, supposedly being fluent in Russian (yet unable to learn English since 2012), supposedly "racing" on the Autobahn (in his beat-up little Renault that will barely go faster than 80-90 MPH), and climbing mountains yet he's spending 365 days per year on a prostitution forum.You are free to think what you want, I respect your freedom, but I don't use google, I write in English, most often when driving. You are right first car I drove was my mother car, famous Renault 5, driving from Barcelona through Amsterdam for a NL GF met in Spain and after to Kopenhagen and Malmoe then back to Paris. Only 18, only a Renault 5 only speeding maximum 150 km / h but I remember I raced in curvy roads with Porsche 911 and 924 at this time. Do you know what was a German Hartge H3 E21, my first car bought at 21 with my holidays jobs, and I improved with race engine air filter and injectors from Alpina, for more than 200 power on late 80's, speeding not so bad, didn't see many in mirror. Then, few years later, planned to buy B35 E30 but balance was not so good, only to push in straight line, or M3 E30 but was not so impressed by engine power even more than 200 power for the one I targeted, but when I saw the legend: RS500 Cosworth, even crashed and broken engine, but I knew we were made for each other, I paid more than 10000 € in early 90's, repaired and improving engine with race turbo 1,8 bar wastegate, race injectors to lengthen opening time to give more gas for higher turbo pressure, increasing power from 204 to around 325 power for 2 liters engine, nearly 30 years ago, a rodeo car, when my last girlfriend was woman of my life, despite my sea sex and sun Spain visits, but legendary RS500 was car of my life for 25 years, my girlfriends being jealous, but I could put Neo 66 and bicycle inside, when impossible in 964 turbo 4's. Now Audi work not so bad when power is improved, easy cars.

ShooBree
01-08-21, 23:11
It's also the most pathetic when you realize that these guys have voting rights, a driving license, maybe a job with responsibilities.Maybe one day you will have a job as well. Can you say: "do you want fries with that?

PaulInZurich
01-09-21, 10:19
The guys is a complete joke, rambling in incomprehensible 'google-translate-English,' thinking he's God's Gift to women, talking about skiing, supposedly being fluent in Russian (yet unable to learn English since 2012), supposedly "racing" on the Autobahn (in his beat-up little Renault that will barely go faster than 80-90 MPH), and climbing mountains yet he's spending 365 days per year on a prostitution forum.The best are the super long sentences with 6 separate threads without any logical link. Pathetic attempts to make himself feel better about himself.

PaulInZurich
01-09-21, 10:21
I write in English, most often when driving.So racing, working and writing on ISG all at the same time?

McAdonis
01-09-21, 12:34
He certainly is not America. He is an ugly aberration to be left on the trash heap of history. Our democracy remains strong, and will rebound after his disastrous presidency. I hope some Americans have really learned a painful lesson, especially the GOP.Election 2020 was highest voter turnout in history. And Trump managed to get 47 percent of the popular vote, over 74 million votes. How many jumped off the bandwagon following last week's events? How many jumped on? Does someone with this much of a following suddenly just fade into obscurity? Even with dictators who were hugely popular at their peak, their downfall took place over many years. Trump will remain a political force even after his presidency ends later this month. Even if they manage to somehow prosecute him, he will be a martyr, and he will have a successor. When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition, but he ends it by promising his supporters that their journey is "only just beginning": https://youtu.be/y7_YNC8aHqs.

Sirioja
01-09-21, 14:15
I wrote Trump gave a so bad image of US, during covid and now becoming crazy terrorist, really crazy dangerous banana president for US democracy, but really amazing so many US are following and voted for him, when Macron I didn't vote for, is not a danger for us nor the world, I think he has a bit more brain. Actor cow boy Reagan was also a funny image in front of the world and you have your dark, beyond laws CIA, but where were they on 11 September or this week, arriving after the war. Only 5 deaths is not so much, with so many Trumpist with weapons, to kill blacks, when no more Indians in far West. You have good taste for Edith Piaf. Despite US history about blacks, but from Louis Armstrong to Stevie Wonder, but Elvis was white, but a black music lover.Really impressive reactions from US social medias and google and Apple to stop crazy Trump terrorism. Maybe he could now try Chinese tic et toc he didn't want in US. Really wait for after 20 January, really wish women will tell. I wish for our world, for so many millions of blacks in US, he can never be re elected, when really too dangerous. Made US just great shameful, when we more need peace during war versus covid, and even for after, versus economic crisis, when so big unemployment now in US.

HammerTime96
01-09-21, 14:34
What's disgusting are all the riots caused by BLM and antifa.I agree and there's a huge double standard: Antifa and BLM burn down complete neighborhoods + attack police and it get's downplayed as "peaceful protests" in the media, but if a bunch of unarmed rednecks and hillbillies waving American flags run around Washington DC (one guy dressed in a Chewbacca suit with cow horns, LOL), then they make it seem as if Al Qaida has launched an attack or that a coup d'etat is taking place.

The reporting is completely absurd, and very similar to Soviet-style "Pravda" propaganda.

ShooBree
01-09-21, 19:17
I agree and there's a huge double standard: Antifa and BLM burn down complete neighborhoods + attack police and it get's downplayed as "peaceful protests" in the media, but if a bunch of unarmed rednecks and hillbillies waving American flags run around Washington DC (one guy dressed in a Chewbacca suit with cow horns, LOL), then they make it seem as if Al Qaida has launched an attack or that a coup d'etat is taking place.

The reporting is completely absurd, and very similar to Soviet-style "Pravda" propaganda.Spot on!

But what else to expect from the liberal medi? They have never been honest.

Mursenary
01-09-21, 21:02
Election 2020 was highest voter turnout in history. And Trump managed to get 47 percent of the popular vote, over 74 million votes. How many jumped off the bandwagon following last week's events? How many jumped on? Does someone with this much of a following suddenly just fade into obscurity? Even with dictators who were hugely popular at their peak, their downfall took place over many years. Trump will remain a political force even after his presidency ends later this month. Even if they manage to somehow prosecute him, he will be a martyr, and he will have a successor. When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition, but he ends it by promising his supporters that their journey is "only just beginning": https://youtu.be/y7_YNC8aHqs.The Trumpian sentiments have been there for decades. The current reiteration really got traction from the rise of Sarah Palin in 2008 that led to the rise of the Tea Party during the Obama years.

Your allusion to a successor is the major threat. The next iteration of Trump may be more eloquent and frankly more intelligent. Imagine if the next demagogue was someone like Jordan Peterson.

Sirioja
01-09-21, 22:29
So racing, working and writing on ISG all at the same time?All my radar flashes, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland, were under 120 km / h, in 100 or 80 limited zones, so I can easily have business phone calls, or send WhatsApp or emails when my job don't wait snails. Game I enjoy on Swiss autobahns where snails, is when traffic, then I put on M1 to a bit more than 4000 tours, then S1 and kick down at same time, making sliding 4 quattro wheels even on dry, and others seem stopped, and this is legal in Switzerland. With all time spent in my car, with about 90000 kms per year, when my job can't wait and this is my performance at job to be fast to find solutions or answers, I work the same in Germany at double speed, but are you used to high speed? Meaning much over 200, when I m used to clean German autobahn from Basel // Weil am Rhein, when I ran after Porsche at only 18, making sliding, pushing to limit my mother Renault 5. When you drove a RS500 Cosworth and on wet, then you are really easy when driving, even full speed. The fastest, the more I relax. When I woke up at 5 am, running whole day at work without taking time to eat since I left bed, to leave at 4/5 pm to go to my regulars who sent me message: where would you come? I was exhausted and stressed in traffic around Paris, but as soon I could, I pushed to relax. I think I drove at least 1,5 million kilometers since 35 years, I never crashed anybody else than me and my cars and I rebuilt them each time because I m faithful.

PhuckBiden
01-10-21, 01:25
Really impressive reactions from US social medias and google and Apple to stop crazy Trump terrorism. Maybe he could now try Chinese tic et toc he didn't want in US. Really wait for after 20 January, really wish women will tell. I wish for our world, for so many millions of blacks in US, he can never be re elected, when really too dangerous. Made US just great shameful, when we more need peace during war versus covid, and even for after, versus economic crisis, when so big unemployment now in US.Nothing is worse than the Non-Stop Every Single Day for 200 years of Rioting, Chopping Heads, Guillotine of your own King and Queen of France.

France is FUBAR.

France is the only countries that pay 40 hours week for only 28 hours of work.

Nothing but Complainers, Whiners, lazy Culture that create more Unions to Strike like a Merry-Go-Round all year.

Confétheération Française theémocratique du Travail (CFDT).

Confétheération Française des Travailleurs Chrétiens (CFTC).

Confétheération géandérale du travail (CGT).

Confétheération Française de l'Encadrement. Confétheération Géandérale des Cadres (CFE-CGC).

Force Ouvrière (FO).

Alliance Police nationale.

Confétheération nationale du travail (CNT).

Fétheération Syndicale Unitaire (FSU).

Solidaires Unitaires theémocratiques (SUD).

Syndicat de la Magistrature (SM).

Union syndicale des journalistes (CFDT).

Union syndicale des magistrats (USM).

Union nationale des syndicats autonomes (UNSA).

Paulie97
01-10-21, 02:26
Your allusion to a successor is the major threat. The next iteration of Trump may be more eloquent and frankly more intelligent. Imagine if the next demagogue was someone like Jordan Peterson.Peterson or some other heavyweight academic like him would have to really dumb it down to appeal to Trump's base. Trump was the perfect fit for the moment, and with help from a very unpopular candidate such as Hillary, squeaked by, made it in while losing the popular vote. He caught us sleeping, but we were ready last time.

Trump will continue to be a factor, but is wounded and will never fully recover. The events of this week freaked too many people out. This was most apparent after the mob was removed and the voting resumed, and a number of objections to state electoral votes no longer had senators signing on. The applause that followed was moving. The truth lies somewhere between what McAdonis and TheCane said, though only time will tell.

Paulie97
01-10-21, 02:53
When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition...This was taped and read from a tele-prompter. You can bet he was dragged kicking and screaming to the camera for this, and the words aren't his. Here's one of his last Tweets before his Twitter ban, and it came after that taped statement.

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long," Trump tweeted. "Go home with love & peace. "

He added: "Remember this day forever!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-tells-protesters-to-go-home-maintaining-that-the-election-was-stolen-amid-violence-at-the-capitol

These are his true feelings as he doubles down on playing the victim while justifying the violence.

And he's of course done this many times before, recited prepared statements only to reveal his true feelings soon after on Twitter.

ExpatLover
01-10-21, 06:39
Really impressive reactions from US social medias and google and Apple to stop crazy Trump terrorism. Maybe he could now try Chinese tic et toc he didn't want in US. Really wait for after 20 January, really wish women will tell. I wish for our world, for so many millions of blacks in US, he can never be re elected, when really too dangerous. Made US just great shameful, when we more need peace during war versus covid, and even for after, versus economic crisis, when so big unemployment now in US.Who made Trump possible? Obama and Biden both were the President and Vice President during 8 years before Trump. Both completely destroyed the American middle class. The problem of the US can t be restrict to the place of the black people, it is exactly the same problem as in France can you reduce French problems to the Muslim and the banlieus. How many billions were injected in France for the social system, for des banlieus, for the education. But the problems are still more and more increasing. In France every year arrive 400000 new migrants mostly Muslim, speaking poor French, uneducated, poor and 200000 French people leave the country mostly educated, belonging to the middle or upper classes. Like in the US, France also destroyed the middle class giving like in the US poor future for most of the French people and even worse for the new comers.

Chongmal
01-10-21, 06:40
Nothing is worse than the Non-Stop Every Single Day for 200 years of Rioting, Chopping Heads, Guillotine of your own King and Queen of France.

France is FUBAR.

France is the only countries that pay 40 hours week for only 28 hours of work.

Nothing but Complainers, Whiners, lazy Culture that create more Unions to Strike like a Merry-Go-Round all year.

Conftheration Franaise themocratique du Travail (CFDT).

Conftheration Franaise des Travailleurs Chrtiens (CFTC).

Conftheration gandrale du travail (CGT).

Conftheration Franaise de l'Encadrement. Conftheration Gandrale des Cadres (CFE-CGC).

Force Ouvrire (FO).

Alliance Police nationale.

Conftheration nationale du travail (CNT).

Ftheration Syndicale Unitaire (FSU).

Solidaires Unitaires themocratiques (SUD).

Syndicat de la Magistrature (SM).

Union syndicale des journalistes (CFDT).

Union syndicale des magistrats (USM).

Union nationale des syndicats autonomes (UNSA).What I don't understand is why Sirioja wants to speak about politics when he is such a master of organ music with women. He speaks of America as if it is the only country with a cultural and racial challenge. We don't have to return 200 years of history to find injustice in France. It was a mere 7 years ago when protestors were burning luxury autos in Paris, perhaps a good reason to drive an Audi A3. Please, if you want to talk about a performance Audi please make it a RS 2, Powered by Porsche, not an A3 with a pile of papers scattered around the inside. I guess that is the challenge when working 5 hours in the car while driving from where house to where house. Yes, they are all sophisticated women that will have sex with almost any man for money, even short fat US like me. Still, I have to say, when Kate told me, lick my pussy, tips, neck and ears but please don't give me a cat bath I almost fell out. Even better was when she took my hands and placed them on her neck and asked me to apply pressure, because she didn't want to be a lady. I came in her pussy so hard as she submitted to a bit of rough play. Actually, submitted is not the correct word. She initiated being treated that way. Sorry, I got lost in reminiscing.

Where were we, oh, more recent history. Paris is now seeing an increased cultural and racial divide. Implementing a ban on head scarfs in schools, stereotyping Muslims, etc. Serious talks about the US racial divide but moments before degrades Asians and Turkish. WTF, Pot please meet the Kettle. Oh, lastly, Kitty was a beast when I took her to the room for 3 hours. That was the first time I had a woman in a club on her knees in front of me, rubbing the bare head of my cock between her pussy lips, begging me to stay longer and telling me she would do anything if I didn't send her back to the guy standing outside the door listening to us fuck.

Chongmal
01-10-21, 06:48
Nothing is worse than the Non-Stop Every Single Day for 200 years of Rioting, Chopping Heads, Guillotine of your own King and Queen of France.

France is FUBAR.

France is the only countries that pay 40 hours week for only 28 hours of work.

Nothing but Complainers, Whiners, lazy Culture that create more Unions to Strike like a Merry-Go-Round all year.

Conftheration Franaise themocratique du Travail (CFDT).

Conftheration Franaise des Travailleurs Chrtiens (CFTC).

Conftheration gandrale du travail (CGT).

Conftheration Franaise de l'Encadrement. Conftheration Gandrale des Cadres (CFE-CGC).

Force Ouvrire (FO).

Alliance Police nationale.

Conftheration nationale du travail (CNT).

Ftheration Syndicale Unitaire (FSU).

Solidaires Unitaires themocratiques (SUD).

Syndicat de la Magistrature (SM).

Union syndicale des journalistes (CFDT).

Union syndicale des magistrats (USM).

Union nationale des syndicats autonomes (UNSA).What I don't understand is why Sirioja wants to speak about politics when he is such a master of organ music with women. He speaks of America as if it is the only country with a cultural and racial challenge. We don't have to return 200 years of history to find injustice in France. It was a mere 7 years ago when protestors were burning luxury autos in Paris, perhaps a good reason to drive an Audi A3. Please, if you want to talk about a performance Audi please make it a RS 2, Powered by Porsche, not an A3 with a pile of papers scattered around the inside. I guess that is the challenge when working 5 hours in the car while driving from where house to where house. Yes, they are all sophisticated women that will have sex with almost any man for money, even short fat US like me. Still, I have to say, when Kate told me, lick my pussy, tips, neck and ears but please don't give me a cat bath I almost fell out. Even better was when she took my hands and placed them on her neck and asked me to apply pressure, because she didn't want to be a lady. I came in her pussy so hard as she submitted to a bit of rough play. Actually, submitted is not the correct word. She initiated being treated that way. Sorry, I got lost in reminiscing.

Where were we, oh, more recent history. Paris is now seeing an increased cultural and racial divide. Implementing a ban on head scarfs in schools, stereotyping Muslims, etc. Serious talks about the US racial divide but moments before degrades Asians and Turkish. WTF, Pot please meet the Kettle. Oh, lastly, Kitty was a beast when I took her to the room for 3 hours. That was the first time I had a woman in a club on her knees in front of me, rubbing the bare head of my cock between her pussy lips, begging me to stay longer and telling me she would do anything if I didn't send her back to the guy standing outside the door listening to us fuck.

ExpatLover
01-10-21, 06:53
Election 2020 was highest voter turnout in history. And Trump managed to get 47 percent of the popular vote, over 74 million votes. How many jumped off the bandwagon following last week's events? How many jumped on? Does someone with this much of a following suddenly just fade into obscurity? Even with dictators who were hugely popular at their peak, their downfall took place over many years. Trump will remain a political force even after his presidency ends later this month. Even if they manage to somehow prosecute him, he will be a martyr, and he will have a successor. When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition, but he ends it by promising his supporters that their journey is "only just beginning": https://youtu.be/y7_YNC8aHqs.The US like France. Are extremely split societies, between big cities and rural places, between ethnises, religions, color of the skin, origins, gays and lesbians. To manage all this you need a strong state, government with impose common values, will this happen? Obviously not therefor the problems will get worse and worse. The economical and financial crisis ahead of us will even make the things more and more difficult, probably a explosion of the unemployment, a strong increase of the immigration lead by like in France, relaxed immigration laws by the new administration. The complexity is extreme, and like always the richest and most educated will find solutions, living in areas between them, sending their children in private schools. Manipulating the dreamers like black life matters,. But at the end of the end nothing will change.

Chongmal
01-10-21, 06:57
The Trumpian sentiments have been there for decades. The current reiteration really got traction from the rise of Sarah Palin in 2008 that led to the rise of the Tea Party during the Obama years.

Your allusion to a successor is the major threat. The next iteration of Trump may be more eloquent and frankly more intelligent. Imagine if the next demagogue was someone like Jordan Peterson.I think you look too far from the family. The successor will of course be more eloquent, possibly even a real lady who can learn organics from the wee folk. 2024 will be Trump 2.0, Ivanka. She has already started courting Iowa. The question is if AOC will push Harris out of the way or if it will be a three way.

Chongmal
01-10-21, 07:12
Election 2020 was highest voter turnout in history. And Trump managed to get 47 percent of the popular vote, over 74 million votes. How many jumped off the bandwagon following last week's events? How many jumped on? Does someone with this much of a following suddenly just fade into obscurity? Even with dictators who were hugely popular at their peak, their downfall took place over many years. Trump will remain a political force even after his presidency ends later this month. Even if they manage to somehow prosecute him, he will be a martyr, and he will have a successor. When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition, but he ends it by promising his supporters that their journey is "only just beginning": https://youtu.be/y7_YNC8aHqs.I think you are absolutely correct. The current House and new Democratic dominated House, Senate and Executive are not going to bring the US together. The right will feel slighted, especially when Trump is prosecuted. Racist standards shift to the left, leaving even very tolerant whites feeling discriminated against by being classified as racist. I hope for something different, where minority politicians can admit to being a first or second generation American who has been allowed to rise up and represent all Americans. Examples, AOC, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, etc. I choose this as proof that America does offer possibilities.

Adindas
01-10-21, 12:17
I wouldn't make too many plans for 2021, because who knows: a new "strain" of the "virus" appears, and suddenly the hastily 'thrown-together-vaccine' is no longer effective and we're back at Square One with closures and lockdowns. I'm NOT saying that this will happen, but I wouldn't bet on everything being normal and FKKs opening in 2021 either. In case things drastically improve, you can always book some last-minute ticket, but I wouldn't spend big bucks on any tickets or hotel rooms or rental cars for the summer, speculating that "everything will be open again. ' That's just as stupid as paying a hooker up front for all the empty promises she makes. LOL!

Again, not MY words, but the words of Bill Gates and Tony Fauci;.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dr-anthony-fauci-masks-social-182017614.html

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-on-covid-19-fall-2021-wont-be-completely-back-to-normal-115847877.html

Better keep on jerking off to porn with 5 different face diapers wrapped around your head boys, thanks to the 'Plandemic' of Klaus Schwab & his fascist Globalist WEF buddies:

https://www.amazon.com/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab/dp/2940631123Dr Fauci Statement "Because even though for the general population it might be 90 to 95 percent effective, you don't necessarily know for you how effective it is. ".

We know that the vaccines are not 100% effective, we will also know that the vaccine is still effective for a new strain of virus so far. So presumably it will still effective if the new strain is discovered.

But I like the suggestion, not to book a flight before everything is back to normal.

ExpatLover
01-10-21, 12:28
Dr Fauci Statement "Because even though for the general population it might be 90 to 95 percent effective, you don't necessarily know for you how effective it is. ".

We know that the vaccines are not 100% effective, we will also know that the vaccine is still effective for a new strain of virus so far. So presumably it will still effective if the new strain is discovered.

But I like the suggestion, not to book a flight before everything is back to normal.Sorry we don't know if the vaccine is still efficient against the different variants (including the UK one) that will pop up in the coming months, because most of the info are strictly controlled about that subject if there is any doubt the people will not get vaccinated. The name vaccine is also not correct in fact it is a RNA gene therapy put also this will afraid the people so let it name vaccine. The time will tell us if the vaccine is efficient and what are or not the side effects.

McAdonis
01-10-21, 15:18
The Trumpian sentiments have been there for decades. The current reiteration really got traction from the rise of Sarah Palin in 2008 that led to the rise of the Tea Party during the Obama years.

Your allusion to a successor is the major threat. The next iteration of Trump may be more eloquent and frankly more intelligent. Imagine if the next demagogue was someone like Jordan Peterson.I always thought that part of Trump's appeal amongst his base is that he is not eloquent, but a straight-shooter that speaks using plain language. He says exactly what he is thinking, which would at least in the eyes of his base make him appear more "authentic". My assumption is that evangelical Christians and upper-class elite Republicans tolerate him due to the fact that he can command influence, and help them achieve their political objectives.

Rocky V
01-10-21, 15:52
I agree and there's a huge double standard: Antifa and BLM burn down complete neighborhoods + attack police and it get's downplayed as "peaceful protests" in the media, but if a bunch of unarmed rednecks and hillbillies waving American flags run around Washington DC (one guy dressed in a Chewbacca suit with cow horns, LOL), then they make it seem as if Al Qaida has launched an attack or that a coup d'etat is taking place.

The reporting is completely absurd, and very similar to Soviet-style "Pravda" propaganda.Why is it so difficult for Trumptards to condemn the riots in Capitol? They always point out that people were fancy-dressing and waving flags, so they could not have possibly been dangerous! They seem to forget though that:

1) many of them were armed with knives and pistols.

2) they had electrical cable ties, probably not for some electrical repair, I suppose!

3) they trashed congressmen offices and they stole documents.

4) they were wearing white supremacist shirts and symbols.

5) there was a van with pipe bombs and molotovs parked nearby.

6) they broke windows and stole lecterns.

But it is obviously the liberals' fault. Trumtards commentators even had the courage to say that the rioters were Antifa members dressed as Trump supporters. Can you imagine a higher level of cowardice?

ShooBree
01-10-21, 19:08
Why is it so difficult for Trumptards to condemn the riots in Capitol? They always point out that people were fancy-dressing and waving flags, so they could not have possibly been dangerous! They seem to forget though that:

1) many of them were armed with knives and pistols.

2) they had electrical cable ties, probably not for some electrical repair, I suppose!

3) they trashed congressmen offices and they stole documents.

4) they were wearing white supremacist shirts and symbols.

5) there was a van with pipe bombs and molotovs parked nearby.

6) they broke windows and stole lecterns.

But it is obviously the liberals' fault. Trumtards commentators even had the courage to say that the rioters were Antifa members dressed as Trump supporters. Can you imagine a higher level of cowardice?The question is rather why you are trying to deflect from the riots, murders and murder attempts caused by your fellow libtards like antifa and blm.

The violence has been escalated by left-wing extremists and the rhetoric of liberals, liberal media and liberal politicians.

Mursenary
01-10-21, 19:32
I always thought that part of Trump's appeal amongst his base is that he is not eloquent, but a straight-shooter that speaks using plain language. He says exactly what he is thinking, which would at least in the eyes of his base make him appear more "authentic". My assumption is that evangelical Christians and upper-class elite Republicans tolerate him due to the fact that he can command influence, and help them achieve their political objectives.Partly the delivery but the content still matters. Perhaps eloquent is the wrong word but more "articulate" with the same raw emotion-inspiring message is possible. Meanwhile if this next reiteration has better control of his ID-ego-superego, that could be the coming of Messiah Trump 2.0.

To Chongmai's point, Ivanka would absolutely win if there is any substance behind those dead, soul-less eyes. Never heard her in debate or go off the cuff, so it's hard to get a gauge on her ability to lead a crowd. But my gut instinct if she were up against Harris or AOC? She would crush them.

Sirioja
01-10-21, 20:24
Who made Trump possible? Obama and Biden both were the President and Vice President during 8 years before Trump. Both completely destroyed the American middle class. The problem of the US can t be restrict to the place of the black people, it is exactly the same problem as in France can you reduce French problems to the Muslim and the banlieus. How many billions were injected in France for the social system, for des banlieus, for the education. But the problems are still more and more increasing. In France every year arrive 400000 new migrants mostly Muslim, speaking poor French, uneducated, poor and 200000 French people leave the country mostly educated, belonging to the middle or upper classes. Like in the US, France also destroyed the middle class giving like in the US poor future for most of the French people and even worse for the new comers.I think US was in better health with more peace when Obama finished than what made Trump. A shameful racist can't lead a country with so many blacks, Latinas, Asians. I wish he can't be re elected, he is too dangerous, even making twitos banning one the highest ranked profile. Of course, we have many problems in France, but I think our government is one of those who help the most citizens under covid crisis, even I keep on taking risks to make and save my job, outside, checking before my guys work, much more complicated since March, but I would lose too much money if I waited at home close to heater to be paid by government, bad guy but with balls to deserve my money made and paying so big tax since so long time, I remember my mother who told me: are you sure there is no mistake, about my tax.

Sirioja
01-10-21, 20:36
All my radar flashes, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland, were under 120 km / h, in 100 or 80 limited zones, so I can easily have business phone calls, or send WhatsApp or emails when my job don't wait snails. Game I enjoy on Swiss autobahns where snails, is when traffic, then I put on M1 to a bit more than 4000 tours, then S1 and kick down at same time, making sliding 4 quattro wheels even on dry, and others seem stopped, and this is legal in Switzerland. With all time spent in my car, with about 90000 kms per year, when my job can't wait and this is my performance at job to be fast to find solutions or answers, I work the same in Germany at double speed, but are you used to high speed? Meaning much over 200, when I m used to clean German autobahn from Basel // Weil am Rhein, when I ran after Porsche at only 18, making sliding, pushing to limit my mother Renault 5. When you drove a RS500 Cosworth and on wet, then you are really easy when driving, even full speed. The fastest, the more I relax. When I woke up at 5 am, running whole day at work without taking time to eat since I left bed, to leave at 4/5 pm to go to my regulars who sent me message: where would you come? I was exhausted and stressed in traffic around Paris, but as soon I could, I pushed to relax. I think I drove at least 1,5 million kilometers since 35 years, I never crashed anybody else than me and my cars and I rebuilt them each time because I m faithful.Just to add, when you make sports which help in bed and also to be more easy in life, cleaning German autobahns pushing in Germans back, can't compete for sensations with going downhill on a bicycle with narrow tires at 70 km / h, or on skis at 100 . After Adel. Ch la plus belle on this week end, with Lauberhorn. Ch with Michkante will be on next week end where guys take 160 km / h on 2 skis, so, even Germany is so easy.

Beijing4987
01-10-21, 21:40
I always thought that part of Trump's appeal amongst his base is that he is not eloquent, but a straight-shooter that speaks using plain language. He says exactly what he is thinking, which would at least in the eyes of his base make him appear more "authentic". My assumption is that evangelical Christians and upper-class elite Republicans tolerate him due to the fact that he can command influence, and help them achieve their political objectives.It's mostly about celebrity. Face the fact that we are all star fuckers in one way or another. The right wing puts down Hollywood because most of it's stars are big mouth lefties. DJT craved attention there and In NY but was spurned. Christians want a 1950's Disney world fantasy. NBA. "Shut up and dribble" Fox News entertainers would love to have a right wing version of the red carpet.

Pahllus Maximus
01-10-21, 23:43
The core issue is that labor has been devalued by automation, efficiency and productivity and offshoring for about 30-40 years. Selling labor is hard, very little pricing power because more people than properly paid jobs. This is on a collision course with lifestyle expectations and ability to afford housing and food. More can be said about wealth bubbling up to Wall Street that can borrow at 0. 25% and lend for 3% on mortgages (1200% gross margin) and credit cards at say 18% (7200% gross margin). Even if 25% per year is lost by bad debt it is still absurdly profitable and they have turned housing into casino chips.

The Trump supporters want their lifestyle back. Ability to sell labor and have enough. Their screaming and blaming immigrants etc masks the real issue, lifestyle and income insecurity brought about by automation and the like. Globalization is really the indirect import of Asian poverty. The cities are screwed because they are losing or lost a market to sell labor at a decent price that undermines their very existence.

The USD is kaput. The hardest challenge is finding a store of wealth the financial industry cannot fuck up, and right now it is water rights, certain utilities, precious metals and a few inherently valuable assets. We need this to sprinkle money on hot women who will suck and fuck us. I so miss the BJ bars, so direct, I see a pretty girl and get a hard on just seeing her smile and knowing she is an expert at sucking and happily taking a mouth of hot cum and we both know it, no shame, guilt or pretense. When I am scanning balance sheets or playing with swaps and currency pairs, I imagine their hot, oily soft mouth. Creates a lot of motivation and energy and a smile.

Mr Ho
01-11-21, 06:13
Sorry we don't know if the vaccine is still efficient against the different variants (including the UK one) that will pop up in the coming months, because most of the info are strictly controlled about that subject if there is any doubt the people will not get vaccinated. The name vaccine is also not correct in fact it is a RNA gene therapy put also this will afraid the people so let it name vaccine. The time will tell us if the vaccine is efficient and what are or not the side effects.I am ok because I have been vaccinated every single past 17 years by drinking pussy juice of so many different girls that my immune got so strong LOL! Pussy juices are the best vaccines against virus LOL!

ExpatLover
01-11-21, 06:51
I think US was in better health with more peace when Obama finished than what made Trump. A shameful racist can't lead a country with so many blacks, Latinas, Asians. I wish he can't be re elected, he is too dangerous, even making twitos banning one the highest ranked profile. Of course, we have many problems in France, but I think our government is one of those who help the most citizens under covid crisis, even I keep on taking risks to make and save my job, outside, checking before my guys work, much more complicated since March, but I would lose too much money if I waited at home close to heater to be paid by government, bad guy but with balls to deserve my money made and paying so big tax since so long time, I remember my mother who told me: are you sure there is no mistake, about my tax.Great to see that you are still very active and doing your best, I didn't had the same energy and positive mindset that it is why I left France several decades back and most of my friends or family members regret not having done the same. Yes the French government is the most generous for the covid support but at the end who will pay? The French tax payers. Just published yesterday the criminal statistics from the gendarmerie, mostly rural areas: +10% in 1 year, you and me we perfectly know who are the people doing illegal acts, where they come from. Obama has solved 0 problem, Trump added more problems, Biden will solve nothing like Macron or Merkel.

HammerTime96
01-11-21, 10:15
Why is it so difficult for Trumptards to condemn the riots in Capitol? They always point out that people were fancy-dressing and waving flags, so they could not have possibly been dangerous! They seem to forget though that:

1) many of them were armed with knives and pistols.

2) they had electrical cable ties, probably not for some electrical repair, I suppose!

3) they trashed congressmen offices and they stole documents.

4) they were wearing white supremacist shirts and symbols.

5) there was a van with pipe bombs and molotovs parked nearby.

6) they broke windows and stole lecterns.

But it is obviously the liberals' fault. Trumtards commentators even had the courage to say that the rioters were Antifa members dressed as Trump supporters. Can you imagine a higher level of cowardice?Many unproven drama point about nothing. They had knives and guns? Really? How many people got killed? The only people that got killed were non-violent protestors shot by police, just like George Floyd by the way. They broke windows? Hahahaha! The richest country in the world can't replace a few broken windows?

I'm FAR from a Trump fanboy, but if this had been a BLM / Antifa protest then the entire Capitol would have been burned to the ground, just like they burned entire neighborhoods to the ground. The most serious thing these Trump protestors did was trespassing and break a handful of windows.

A friend of mine has been to New York during the BLM protests there, in the entire city all shops were boarded up with plywood and all shops closed because of the arson attacks and the looting. How many businesses are closed and boarded up in DC because of a handful of pro-Trump clowns? How many DC shops were looted by Trump supporters? How many DC businesses and buildings were burned to the ground? How may DC police stations were attacked by violent mobs? Answer: none!

Again, the 'comparison' you make couldn't be further from being objective, but I suppose you just repeat the media narrative without thinking and looking at facts.

Sirioja
01-11-21, 10:53
Now, seem more than 40.000 deaths in Germany really suffering under second wave, with more and more cases and cold weather. Not good for FKK in Germany. Let s see about Switzerland where few clubs are still open.

Rocky V
01-11-21, 12:43
The question is rather why you are trying to deflect from the riots, murders and murder attempts caused by your fellow libtards like antifa and blm.

The violence has been escalated by left-wing extremists and the rhetoric of liberals, liberal media and liberal politicians.If I was you I would look up the meaning of deflecting in relation to my post. When Biden supporters will break into the Capitol with the intention of vandalizing everything and take hostages, then we can talk about comparisons. I'm sorry your life sucks, but it is nobody's fault and, to billionaire people like Trump, you are just pure entertainment! Trump said he was going to March with those people down to the Capitol. Have you seen it marching with those people at all?

Turgid
01-11-21, 15:55
The core issue is that labor has been devalued by automation....I would suggest that that statement be altered to read: ¨some aspects of manual labor have been devalued by automation¨. There are not enough people to fill jobs requiring expertise in the fields of technology, computers, medicine, teaching, etc. Also the very nature of the field of automation requires manual workers to construct, maintain and repair machines. There are actually more jobs than there are people to fill them. The problem is that not enough people are educated to the level required to fill those vacancies. It would serve the Trump supporters better to educate themselves and seek employment. In any event if they were educated they would not support Trump. Trump appeals to the ignorant.

Pistons
01-11-21, 17:49
I agree with 70% of what Phallus (Takedown) says about economy, and disagree with 30%.

Lets rather put it this way:

1. Outsourcing / automation is a side function of capitalism.

2. Karl Marx ultimate idea that capitalism leads to Marxism is 100% valid. Most people just love to misread him, and listen to other people who has misread him. We are just not at that ultimate stage yet in the evolution of society.

3. Politicians suck at understanding society, and usually blame the result instead of the cause.

4. A new type of Luddites (not neo-ludites as that term has been hijacked for the wrong reasons) believe labor are giving them power.

5. Capitalism in and of itself leads to crashes, and we are now maximum 4 years away from the collapse of the dollar.

5. 1 Helicopter money / basic income is the only thing that can postpone the collapse. And avoid riots like BLM and QAnon, both of which are results of the coming economic collapse of the dollar, and not the claimed political crap they write on their banners.

5. 2 Blockchain currencies coupled with basic income and less working hours is the new norm after the collapse of the fiat currencies. With tax on money itself, and all types of properties / goods through blockchains.

5. 3 Information technology has made all of this possible. Otherwise it is just a historically cyclical way of how money and capitalism work. But the paradigm change with IT leads to global Marxism.

6. The rise of AI and robotics and investments in these fields will leave labor costs moving towards lim 0. And the same can be said regarding energy. So a few decades later money will also disappear for good.

Pistons
01-11-21, 18:01
It has nothing to do with Asia. The same mechanics were there as far back as to the Phonecians (who I believe came from Atlantis), and even further back in history.

Economists don't fuck it up. The central bankers and the economic regulators are just put on an impossible task at controlling a system that is mathematically impossible to control. And so they keep exporting different types of inflation from one part of the global economy to another. And there are no places to store wealth. Not gold, not bitcoin, not housing, not fresh water. It is all just a mind game. We can mine an asteroid in the asteroid belt and the price of gold would become as cheap as sand. We can come up with a better type of blockchain currency, and bitcoin would be worth nothing. Or we can make everything bought with bitcoins worth 0 due to nano factories or foglites. Sure we are not there yet, but the road is basically paved if you follow recent darpa progress.

Rocky V
01-11-21, 18:51
Many unproven drama point about nothing. They had knives and guns? Really? How many people got killed? The only people that got killed were non-violent protestors shot by police, just like George Floyd by the way. They broke windows? Hahahaha! The richest country in the world can't replace a few broken windows? 5 killed, including a policeman.


I'm FAR from a Trump fanboy, but if this had been a BLM / Antifa protest then the entire Capitol would have been burned to the ground, just like they burned entire neighborhoods to the ground. Small detail, this HAS NOT HAPPENED YET! Trumtards are so desperate for defending other trumptards that they are forced to compare Capitol riots with events that have never happened yet. What a coward whiny ***** must one be to get to this point?


A friend of mine has been to New York during the BLM protests there, in the entire city all shops were boarded up with plywood and all shops closed because of the arson attacks and the looting. How many businesses are closed and boarded up in DC because of a handful of pro-Trump clowns? How many DC shops were looted by Trump supporters? How many DC businesses and buildings were burned to the ground? How may DC police stations were attacked by violent mobs? Answer: none!Except for the most important building in the US and looting important mails, laptops and documents.

Mursenary
01-11-21, 19:28
I'm FAR from a Trump fanboy, but if this had been a BLM / Antifa protest then the entire Capitol would have been burned to the ground, just like they burned entire neighborhoods to the ground.What neighborhood of which city was burned down?

Pahllus Maximus
01-11-21, 20:43
The biggest con is that like quark Pauli exclusion, when a job is eliminated another is instantly created of equal or better pay. Statistically though, even if we could raise IQ by say 20 points thanks a magic wand, and train people to build / service machines or program, there are still way too many bodies versus demand for bodies, and that does not factor whether a "job" has a living paycheck as distinct to precarious hours and income, and of those, the income is not enough. We have arranged our society on the assumption the 1960's employment model and need for labour, a model that is fast disappearing. Result: surplus humans useless for military fodder, have no money to pay tax and vote irrationally against self interest.

All besides the point. The point is a means of storing wealth to give to young women to enjoy their youth, beauty and sex. I agree with Pistons the USD is on borrowed time, and doubt the HKD will be able to or want to keep the peg. If China or Russia (read Syria and Iran) start pricing fossil fuels in a new currency, as they will, it will be game over, and with it the citadel of London and New York finding their loan book smashed. Most people I know in banking keep a major stash of wealth in stuff that has static demand, specific luxury land, artworks, precious metals and highly diversified companies with low correlation with accounting tricks or finance games. These are like unicorns. I very much doubt we will be mining asteroids unless we come across alien technology that has anti-gravity, space-time folding and other magic. So gold and silver should be pretty safe, but only actual physical gold, not bits of paper.

As to the point: fiat cash is a mind game. That's true. Offers gorilla a $100 note for some bananas. But so too is almost all of society and laws, just shared myths and symbols we have see throughout history. But for 2021, my read is that housing is mostly casino chips owned by capital markets via mortgages that depends on working stiff to sell labor in this thing called employment that is fast fading, and vast sections of the economy are linked to. Just look at Flint Michigan, Detroit and many UK cities and ex Soviet cities that went from middle class to rusted hulks in less than 50 years. The stock market is a QE driven gas bubble with very few fundamentals in the immediate or medium term.

Hard choices here. We need portable wealth to get no-obligation hot young women. Ideas?

Mursenary
01-11-21, 20:43
But.


In any event if they were educated they would not support Trump. Trump appeals to the ignorant.I believe thinking like this is what got us here. You would be surprised how many well educated people "support" Trump. But I guess that also depends on your definition of "support. " Yes, the loud, rally goers are generally the dumb ones. However, a larger majority silently cast their vote, make donations, while declaring "undecided" on election polls. These are the people who vote according to their cultural beliefs. Some call it racism, which I don't fully agree. They support Trump to protect the world order in their eyes. A world where hetero, light skinned, Judeo-Christian cultures set the tone for society. Those people generally don't try to actively suppress the success and well being of racial, cultural, and religious minorities, but they vote for policies that ensure those subcultures do not become the mainstream. In addition, you have Trump Voters who know that he is a detriment to society but believe that the American form of liberalism is even more dangerous. Those are the rational people in which I can most often relate.


i would suggest that that statement be altered to read: some aspects of manual labor have been devalued by automation. There are not enough people to fill jobs requiring expertise in the fields of technology, computers, medicine, teaching, etc. Also the very nature of the field of automation requires manual workers to construct, maintain and repair machines. I do agree with your other point. The automation scare is a little misunderstood and overblown. It's not even a new debate. The Greeks worried about the displacement of human labor since the times of Aristotle.

Unemployment is not the most accurate word to use to describe the eventual outcome, but rather employment displacement. John Keynes popularized the term, "technological unemployment," characterizing it as "only a temporary phase of maladjustment."

Just like all previous technological advancements, the labor force just shifts, although usually coupled with a temporary phase of unemployment due to mindset and training lag. You alluded to job creation for technical yet still manual labor, but more profound is the effect on knowledge and creativity intensive jobs, mainly because innovation in one sector creates opportunities in other sectors.

The easy example is the disruptive effects of digital media to print media industry. The lost print media jobs were replaced by independent bloggers and eventually social media influencers. Not only did the content creators and influencers create new occupations, but their rise developed with the rise of digital marketers, advertisers, and the behind the scenes coders who make the magic happen. Cars displaced carriage drivers but created jobs for mechanics, gas station vendors, and jobs in road construction and civil planning. Farming reduced the need for hunter-gatherers but led to more jobs in harvesting. It led to settlement and eventually to cities and society and the exponential downstream effects in the creation of hundreds of occupations, all because some people put a seed in some dirt and learned to wait with patience in order to reap its rewards.

All this is to say that the sky is falling doom and gloomers are quite short sighted.

Pahllus Maximus
01-11-21, 20:50
The biggest con is that like quark Pauli exclusion, when a job is eliminated another is instantly created of equal or better pay. Statistically though, even if we could raise IQ by say 20 points thanks a magic wand, and train people to build / service machines or program, there are still way too many bodies versus demand for bodies, and that does not factor whether a "job" has a living paycheck as distinct to precarious hours and income, and of those, the income is not enough. We have arranged our society on the assumption the 1960's employment model and need for labour, a model that is fast disappearing. Result: surplus humans useless for military fodder, have no money to pay tax and vote irrationally against self interest.

All besides the point. The point is a means of storing wealth to give to young women to enjoy their youth, beauty and sex. I agree with Pistons the USD is on borrowed time, and doubt the HKD will be able to or want to keep the peg. If China or Russia (read Syria and Iran) start pricing fossil fuels in a new currency, as they will, it will be game over, and with it the citadel of London and New York finding their loan book smashed. Most people I know in banking keep a major stash of wealth in stuff that has static demand, specific luxury land, artworks, precious metals and highly diversified companies with low correlation with accounting tricks or finance games. These are like unicorns. I very much doubt we will be mining asteroids unless we come across alien technology that has anti-gravity, space-time folding and other magic. So gold and silver should be pretty safe, but only actual physical gold, not bits of paper.

As to the point: fiat cash is a mind game. That's true. Offers gorilla a $100 note for some bananas. But so too is almost all of society and laws, just shared myths and symbols we have see throughout history. But for 2021, my read is that housing is mostly casino chips owned by capital markets via mortgages that depends on working stiff to sell labor in this thing called employment that is fast fading, and vast sections of the economy are linked to. Just look at Flint Michigan, Detroit and many UK cities and ex Soviet cities that went from middle class to rusted hulks in less than 50 years. The stock market is a QE driven gas bubble with very few fundamentals in the immediate or medium term.

Hard choices here. We need portable wealth to get no-obligation hot young women. Ideas?

Canary
01-11-21, 21:33
Sorry we don't know if the vaccine is still efficient against the different variants (including the UK one).It has been stated several times by the top medical scientists in the UK that they are very confident vaccines will combat the new variant. Fact!

Also in regards to other possible new variants & whether they do mutate, it has again been stressed again by the medical experts that it would only take a few short weeks to tweak the vaccine. Just like they do with the flu vaccine each year. Fact!

I don't understand why so many posters on here post their thoughts and opinions (and duly worry folk) without qualified knowledge. Or indeed repeat unqualified comments from dodgy internet sites.

This virus will become controlled (Not eradicated) and lockdowns will start to ease and life slowly return to normal or a new normal.

The only unknown question is how long it will take for sex establishments to be declared safe and reopen once vaccinations have reduced the high levels of transmissions?

Sirioja
01-11-21, 21:59
Great to see that you are still very active and doing your best, I didn't had the same energy and positive mindset that it is why I left France several decades back and most of my friends or family members regret not having done the same. Yes the French government is the most generous for the covid support but at the end who will pay? The French tax payers. Just published yesterday the criminal statistics from the gendarmerie, mostly rural areas: +10% in 1 year, you and me we perfectly know who are the people doing illegal acts, where they come from. Obama has solved 0 problem, Trump added more problems, Biden will solve nothing like Macron or Merkel.I still have more than 12 years to work, I will have nearly 45 years work to get full retirement, but no problem, with my sports, I'm powerful and full of energy, wishing to go to free ride soon most extreme spots. Since I started, only from my job and house, I think not so far from 1 million € paid for tax, not counting my employers tax for me, nor counting TVA on all what I buy and big tax on a lot of gas I use, but I m happy to work to save my earning and to pay about 4 months earning for tax, if can help French at the moment. But are you French? When I love my country, I love Paris, this is my roots and in my blood. When I say to girls Paris is unfortunately not anymore so romantic nor city of love, what all girls tell me, but I m still happy to live in Paris and in France. Must be a reason for small France and Paris to be number 1 for tourism, more than only my followers here. Of course, I would like to go for a winter in Alaska and Siberia or return to Peter, but I don't want to live elsewhere than in France, land of freedom for a free bird like me who make his life on his own, despite our problems, and Macron is not dangerous for French and I pretty sure Merkel is also not for Germans, when I would be scared about Chinese government like are so many Chinese, or about Trump supporting riots and racism.

McAdonis
01-11-21, 22:25
Trump will continue to be a factor, but is wounded and will never fully recover. The events of this week freaked too many people out. This was most apparent after the mob was removed and the voting resumed, and a number of objections to state electoral votes no longer had senators signing on. The applause that followed was moving. The truth lies somewhere between what McAdonis and TheCane said, though only time will tell.Okay so senators in his own party turned on him. Most notably McConnell, Lindsey Graham and Kelly Loeffler. But does that mean the 74 million people will follow their lead? Could Trump (or his successor) create a third political party?

Sirioja
01-11-21, 23:09
Just to add, when you make sports which help in bed and also to be more easy in life, cleaning German autobahns pushing in Germans back, can't compete for sensations with going downhill on a bicycle with narrow tires at 70 km / h, or on skis at 100 . After Adel. Ch la plus belle on this week end, with Lauberhorn. Ch with Michkante will be on next week end where guys take 160 km / h on 2 skis, so, even Germany is so easy.I meant wish for Wengen on next week end, for wonderful downhill with Minschkante.

ExpatLover
01-12-21, 04:16
I still have more than 12 years to work, I will have nearly 45 years work to get full retirement, but no problem, with my sports, I'm powerful and full of energy, wishing to go to free ride soon most extreme spots. Since I started, only from my job and house, I think not so far from 1 million paid for tax, not counting my employers tax for me, nor counting TVA on all what I buy and big tax on a lot of gas I use, but I m happy to work to save my earning and to pay about 4 months earning for tax, if can help French at the moment. But are you French? When I love my country, I love Paris, this is my roots and in my blood. When I say to girls Paris is unfortunately not anymore so romantic nor city of love, what all girls tell me, but I m still happy to live in Paris and in France. Must be a reason for small France and Paris to be number 1 for tourism, more than only my followers here. Of course, I would like to go for a winter in Alaska and Siberia or return to Peter, but I don't want to live elsewhere than in France, land of freedom for a free bird like me who make his life on his own, despite our problems, and Macron is not dangerous for French and I pretty sure Merkel is also not for Germans, when I would be scared about Chinese government like are so many Chinese, or about Trump supporting riots and racism.Are you so sure that Macron and Merkel are not dangerous? Macron by easing even more the "regroupement familial" is attracting every year more more migrants with very poor jobs opportunities which at the end create a lot of tensions in the French society same for Germany. Why there was never a referendum like in Switzerland to ask the people what they want about immigration, have the people not the right to choose with whom they want to live?

Sirioja
01-12-21, 07:55
Are you so sure that Macron and Merkel are not dangerous? Macron by easing even more the "regroupement familial" is attracting every year more more migrants with very poor jobs opportunities which at the end create a lot of tensions in the French society same for Germany. Why there was never a referendum like in Switzerland to ask the people what they want about immigration, have the people not the right to choose with whom they want to live?But we have right to choose our president, not like in China, and our presidents accepted defeat from democracy. France is land of welcome and not so many foreign origins make problems compare to how many in France. For many works, French don t want to, even for some jobs with quite good earning but too hard, too dirty, too lazy, I need foreigners for my job, I worked with so many since I started, 30 years ago with Italians and Portuguese but most don t want anymore and children are not so good at work than were parents, then Africans and now mostly Arabs, Turkish, Kurds and Romanians or Bulgarians or Moldavians and few specialized French, or big US firm OTIS but with Bulgarians building to work and I m happy about beautiful lift. When they have a job, most foreigners just want to have a roof, foods, a wife and children, most are just like us, even different race or religion. Only few integrists are dangerous. I m really not afraid in my country, I used to go with my legendary RS500 Cosworth to Saint Denis, Pierrefitte, Sarcelles where lived and worked one of my so pretty girlfriend for 6 years, or Garges les Gonesse or les Mureaux and Trappes, when I see about Washington and free weapons with so many crazy in US. Some guys asked me to buy legend, when many looked at it, I answered them they would not be able to control it, with one leader, I took him to show him on RN2 , while acceleration with sliding despite visco system to improve grip and when braking, I didn't hear him talking, he and his friends never asked again, not a BMW or Mercedes but a race car. Germany also could not work without Turkish. In Switzerland, Albanians for big drugs business and Romanians to clean behind Swiss, when Switzerland have dark side behind the green curtain.

Sirioja
01-12-21, 08:20
Gorillas with covid in US. I think tigers also got. Also some cats and dogs, and visons in Europe. UK mutant make panic in Western Europe, London being said out of control for covid spreading. After a French team was infected after match versus Leicester. UK, European rugby cup is stopped. 2 big towns, about 18 millions people isolated in China. Not enough vaccines. Bad start for 2021. Even ski Worldcup keep on and really wish for Wengen Lauberhorn on next Friday and week end, Flachau. At women slalom tonight, but I worry for ski on this Winter when we have snow on this Winter with more cold weather, so snow should be good and more solid, maybe because of less activity in the world, with less pollution and heat made from activity. Covid may save white bears.

Turgid
01-12-21, 14:43
... Could Trump (or his successor) create a third political party?Ross Perot tried and lost and he was way smarter than Trump.

Mursenary
01-12-21, 16:08
Ross Perot tried and lost and he was way smarter than Trump.How about Theodore Roosevelt for the most consequential third party spoiler ever.

1912 POTUS elections. Teddy Roosevelt, after having already served as a US President, returns to challenge the Republican incumbent Taft, splitting the vote and handing a victory to little know Democrat, Woodrow Wilson. Wilson becomes the first of 2 US World War Presidents to save France's ass and picking up them after being raped by Germany twice in 2 back to back World Wars. Wilson goes on to become the architect of the League of Nations which was the predecessor to the United Nations and in association, the North Atlantic, Euro-American New World Order with America at the helm.

McAdonis
01-12-21, 16:44
Ross Perot tried and lost and he was way smarter than Trump.Fair point Perot was "smarter" and was unable to create his own party. But did Perot parlay that intelligence to get 47 percent of the popular vote? Did reality TV and Twitter exist in 1992 and was Perot able to move the needle like Trump? Do American voters even value intelligence?


It would serve the Trump supporters better to educate themselves and seek employment. In any event if they were educated they would not support Trump. Trump appeals to the ignorant.Along the lines of what Mursenary said, many conservative educated people support Trump or at least tolerate him, because of the influence he yields. Evangelical Christian leaders may believe Trump is a bad role model for Christian youth, but Trump can put his weight behind things they care about like banning abortion. And of course, GOP senators are extremely educated. They flip-flop and behind closed doors probably do not think highly of him, but they want the votes' of Trump's base. I am not convinced his 74 million voters will abandon him en-masse. Politicians are known to flip flop.

Lindsey Graham has flipped twice already:


"Hes a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot. You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell" - Sen. Lindsey Graham, (R) SC in 2016Sen. Marco Rubio, are-Fla in 2016:


"There is only one presidential candidate who has violence at their events"

"Leadership is not about going to an angry and frustrated people and saying you should be even more angry and more frustrated. You know what that is? It's called demagoguery"

"You mark my words, there will be prominent people in American politics who will spend years explaining to people how they fell into this"

"If were going to be the party of fear, were going to spend some time in the wilderness. If were the party of fear, with a candidate who basically is trying to prey upon peoples fears to get them to vote for them, I think were going to pay a big price in November and beyond. I think hes already an embarrassment. People around the world are watching this debate and this campaign and wondering whats happening here, because the things he says are nonsensical. When youre the most powerful and important nation on earth, youre not always going to be popular. But the question is, are you respected? And I dont think Donald Trump is going to be respected."

McAdonis
01-12-21, 17:20
Unemployment is not the most accurate word to use to describe the eventual outcome, but rather employment displacement. John Keynes popularized the term, "technological unemployment," characterizing it as "only a temporary phase of maladjustment."

Just like all previous technological advancements, the labor force just shifts, although usually coupled with a temporary phase of unemployment due to mindset and training lag. You alluded to job creation for technical yet still manual labor, but more profound is the effect on knowledge and creativity intensive jobs, mainly because innovation in one sector creates opportunities in other sectors.

Cars displaced carriage drivers but created jobs for mechanics, gas station vendors, and jobs in road construction and civil planning. Farming reduced the need for hunter-gatherers but led to more jobs in harvesting. The counterarguments are generally that human knowledge accrues, similar to compound interest. And that the pace of innovation is happening at an unprecedented pace. Moving from hunter-gatherer to agriculture was an extremely slow transition and that transition occurred over much of human history. Each subsequent transition has happened over shorter and shorter periods. Human populations are also growing due to longer life expectancies, which places higher demands on job creation.

Previous automations were quite specific, and the machine remained unintelligent. Essentially the automation performed the same exact task just with more "horsepower", and so you still needed a human to operate that new machine. The carriage driver simply became a car driver, but there will be no humans needed if cars can make intelligent decisions based off data. Yes, when the economy transitioned from agricultural to manufacturing, people needed to acquire new skills, but I would argue that going from farmer to factory worker required very little training. You might be able to retrain a highly educated junior lawyer and have them work in the field of nanotechnology, but that won't be a smooth, seamless transition.

I could see working hours being cut in half or even more. So a continuation (or more likely the acceleration) of a trend that started in 1870's: https://ourworldindata.org/working-hours.

Maybe we just see more people "working" in creative fields. Maybe everyone is creating YouTube content. IDK.

ExpatLover
01-12-21, 19:38
But we have right to choose our president, not like in China, and our presidents accepted defeat from democracy. France is land of welcome and not so many foreign origins make problems compare to how many in France. For many works, French don t want to, even for some jobs with quite good earning but too hard, too dirty, too lazy, I need foreigners for my job, I worked with so many since I started, 30 years ago with Italians and Portuguese but most don t want anymore and children are not so good at work than were parents, then Africans and now mostly Arabs, Turkish, Kurds and Romanians or Bulgarians or Moldavians and few specialized French, or big US firm OTIS but with Bulgarians building to work and I m happy about beautiful lift. When they have a job, most foreigners just want to have a roof, foods, a wife and children, most are just like us, even different race or religion. Only few integrists are dangerous. I m really not afraid in my country, I used to go with my legendary RS500 Cosworth to Saint Denis, Pierrefitte, Sarcelles where lived and worked one of my so pretty girlfriend for 6 years, or Garges les Gonesse or les Mureaux and Trappes, when I see about Washington and free weapons with so many crazy in US. Some guys asked me to buy legend, when many looked at it, I answered them they would not be able to control it, with one leader, I took him to show him on RN2 , while acceleration with sliding despite visco system to improve grip and when braking, I didn't hear him talking, he and his friends never asked again, not a BMW or Mercedes but a race car. Germany also could not work without Turkish. In Switzerland, Albanians for big drugs business and Romanians to clean behind Swiss, when Switzerland have dark side behind the green curtain.Please tell me when there was a referendum concerning immigration in France? Are you aware that in the French jails 90% of the people have a migration (mostly Muslim) background, why it is because they are more criminals it is may be just the integration is not working. How many migrants are living in Paris 16 and how many white Christian are living in Saint Denis, if you consider there is no problem, why not for me at least there is a big problem.

Sirioja
01-12-21, 20:53
Please tell me when there was a referendum concerning immigration in France? Are you aware that in the French jails 90% of the people have a migration (mostly Muslim) background, why it is because they are more criminals it is may be just the integration is not working. How many migrants are living in Paris 16 and how many white Christian are living in Saint Denis, if you consider there is no problem, why not for me at least there is a big problem.I never said we don't have problems in France, but I'm not afraid in France, I'm not scared about Macron who is not crazy racist and I don't want to go to live anywhere else, but as I wrote, I'm 100% French and France is in my blood, despite my very high tax. I love Paris, but maybe I will go in my mountains, for my sports, when will retire. I worked with Jews, I work with Muslims at the moment, most are integrated even we are different, only few make problems. When I worked in Sarcelles with my girlfriend, she made work Jews and Muslims together, for same aim, even some went to synagogue and some to mosquee, not so bad. After she decided and started divorce, we enjoyed sex in her office or mine, we had passionate years even complicated, in so mixed city where not so risky than les Mureaux 78 or Grigny 91 or Villiers LE Bel 95 .

Paulie97
01-12-21, 21:12
I am not convinced his 74 million voters will abandon him en-masse.I don't know who would ever argue this. The legendary journalist Sam Donaldson recently gave an interview and acknowledged that we aren't going to have much luck with the hardcore Trump supporters, but can win over a sizeable portion of those who voted for him, and in light of the violence at the Capital. That process is already underway. And it's never been about Repubs and Dems, though it's often framed that way. It's about reasonable people who value democracy against deluded people who do not.


Politicians are known to flip flop. Lindsey Graham has flipped twice already:

Sen. Marco Rubio, are-Fla in 2016:On that subject, check it out.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/11/republicans-warned-against-trump-brianna-keilar-roll-the-tape-nr-vpx.cnn

Sirioja
01-12-21, 21:51
Gorillas with covid in US. I think tigers also got. Also some cats and dogs, and visons in Europe. UK mutant make panic in Western Europe, London being said out of control for covid spreading. After a French team was infected after match versus Leicester. UK, European rugby cup is stopped. 2 big towns, about 18 millions people isolated in China. Not enough vaccines. Bad start for 2021. Even ski Worldcup keep on and really wish for Wengen Lauberhorn on next Friday and week end, Flachau. At women slalom tonight, but I worry for ski on this Winter when we have snow on this Winter with more cold weather, so snow should be good and more solid, maybe because of less activity in the world, with less pollution and heat made from activity. Covid may save white bears.Seem also now South African one who could be more powerful and not sure vaccine will be efficient. Anyway World Health organization said not enough vaccine on 2021 to get immune population. For healthy, maybe to catch and train own soldiers to fights all mutants. Healthy, well trained lungs should help.

Beijing4987
01-12-21, 21:55
For the most part, donors holding most of the casino chips decide who gets to run for election. They give the president a list of Federal Reserve governors to choose from. DJT is poison for them now. The same for a few Republicans in government. It's a wait and see how many will be murdered in political violence in the coming weeks. The right wing militias will need to stock up on medical supplies for gunshot wounds. The hospitals will be of no help.


I don't know who would ever argue this. The legendary journalist Sam Donaldson recently gave an interview and acknowledged that we aren't going to have much luck with the hardcore Trump supporters, but can win over a sizeable portion of those who voted for him, and in light of the violence at the Capital. That process is already underway. And it's never been about Repubs and Dems, though it's often framed that way. It's about reasonable people who value democracy against deluded people who do not.

On that subject, check it out.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/11/republicans-warned-against-trump-brianna-keilar-roll-the-tape-nr-vpx.cnn

Mursenary
01-12-21, 22:45
The counterarguments are generally that human knowledge accrues, similar to compound interest. And that the pace of innovation is happening at an unprecedented pace. Moving from hunter-gatherer to agriculture was an extremely slow transition and that transition occurred over much of human history. Each subsequent transition has happened over shorter and shorter periods. Human populations are also growing due to longer life expectancies, which places higher demands on job creation.

Previous automations were quite specific, and the machine remained unintelligent. Essentially the automation performed the same exact task just with more "horsepower", and so you still needed a human to operate that new machine. The carriage driver simply became a car driver, but there will be no humans needed if cars can make intelligent decisions based off data. Yes, when the economy transitioned from agricultural to manufacturing, people needed to acquire new skills, but I would argue that going from farmer to factory worker required very little training. You might be able to retrain a highly educated junior lawyer and have them work in the field of nanotechnology, but that won't be a smooth, seamless transition.

Maybe we just see more people "working" in creative fields. Maybe everyone is creating YouTube content. IDK.I'll redirect to my previous allusion to the Digital media revolution. You have to look farther than the direct transition of jobs. Social media influencers and content creators didn't just invade the media, news, and entertainment industries. The revolution resulted in new opportunities in completely different sectors.

Behind the generation of Instagram models is a a slew of actual working people; social media managers, photographers, editors, a marketing company, etc. Likewise, the rise of the automobile industry and the industrial revolution in general led to the explosion of the energy sector; first coal, then oil, then renewable energy, then things like the battery-energy revolution.

For sure the transition will not be seamless. A 45 year old needing to shift industries will likely fail to do so. There will be those who suffer. That's where political-social initiatives such as universal basic income may be temporary band-aids that help fill in the gap in order to curtail human loss.

Isn't the automation trend exactly what we want? Finding ways to do spend less time doing tedious or dangerous manual work and freeing us toward creative and leisure pursuits?

Anyway, this discussion only goes as far as to the point horizon where automation and artificial intelligence merge and Skynet swallows the human consciousness and our entire existence becomes digitalized.

ExpatLover
01-13-21, 01:33
I never said we don't have problems in France, but I'm not afraid in France, I'm not scared about Macron who is not crazy racist and I don't want to go to live anywhere else, but as I wrote, I'm 100% French and France is in my blood, despite my very high tax. I love Paris, but maybe I will go in my mountains, for my sports, when will retire. I worked with Jews, I work with Muslims at the moment, most are integrated even we are different, only few make problems. When I worked in Sarcelles with my girlfriend, she made work Jews and Muslims together, for same aim, even some went to synagogue and some to mosquee, not so bad. After she decided and started divorce, we enjoyed sex in her office or mine, we had passionate years even complicated, in so mixed city where not so risky than les Mureaux 78 or Grigny 91 or Villiers LE Bel 95 .You have your opinions and I respect them. May be are you aware that just 2 days back in Strasbourg the Capital of Europe a employee of Deliveroo refused 2 times to deliver Jew customers, obviously the man is a Muslim. Something like that was not possible 10 years ago in France. In fact in that case who is the racist?

Sirioja
01-13-21, 10:28
You have your opinions and I respect them. May be are you aware that just 2 days back in Strasbourg the Capital of Europe a employee of Deliveroo refused 2 times to deliver Jew customers, obviously the man is a Muslim. Something like that was not possible 10 years ago in France. In fact in that case who is the racist?Again, I don't say no problem in France, when more than 68000 deaths from covid is unfortunately much too much, but we seem better than UK and Germany at the moment and fortunately for us, we don t have a Trump. We also fight against terrorism with deaths for us. But we have high quality of life, higher than Germany or UK for my tastes. I like London, but I would not go to Germany for else than brothels, even Bavaria is beautiful, but I don t go to ski there because we have better places in France, despite famous Kandahar Garmisch Partenkirchen. Except for Verbier, Switzerland is also only for brothels now for me and I buy Swiss white chocolate now in France, to pay tax for my country. When Romanian girls tell me I should visit their beautiful country, I may never go, but I answer they have to be proud of their origin, even they were born poor. I was lucky to have great parents and I m proud to be French, even bad French, but I know what I want.

Mongerer88
01-13-21, 13:42
PahllusMaximus,

You are just wanting to rig the system, too. And pick winners and losers, apparently making yourself a winner. So I hardly see how you are better than the people who are, apparently, doing better than you are economically.

Yes, we have tremendous income and wealth inequality in the United States. People with training in certain areas, who have an existing store of invested wealth, and who have key connections are doing extraordinarily well. Those who want to exchange labor for cash and who do not fall into those three above-mentioned categories are not doing nearly as well. Most of the jobs that have experienced solid wage growth are equally open to men and women, so high-earning women are doing quite well compared to their status decades ago.

There is no shortage of women in the United States selling commercial sex. But they recognize the income and wealth inequalities, and the wise ones sell sex at a very high price to those guys who are doing well economically, and they educate themselves as to how to do so in a manner that almost completely eliminates the risk of arrest. Ditto for the johns.

The United States has a massive underclass of both men and women. The women in that underclass who sell sex at a low price are indeed often overweight due to the low-cost, high carb / sugar diet they eat, use illegal drugs, and attract the interest of law enforcement because the are known to use illegal drugs and do their solicitation in a relatively public and / or low-cost manner. The Johns who use them do indeed risk arrest.

You would seem to elevate the males in the category of those willing to sell labor at a price you find unacceptable, by apparently causing a higher price to be paid for that labor. You would apparently force the purchasers of that labor to pay the higher price by denying the purchasers the right to make their products in Asia and other countries where comparable labor is less expensive. You seem to want the USA To return to a 1950's-1970's factory work system where labor was primarily conducted by men due to the physical demands of the work.

In your process of picking winners, you have elevated "blue-collar" men in manufacturing who reside in the United States, and caused an earnings / income decline for manual workers overseas, and investors / management / skilled "white collar" workers in the USA, a large percentage of whom are women.

You seem to want to be certain that commercial sex is available to those blue-collar USA Workers whose wages you have now elevated. You don't seem confident, which I agree with, that the upper-end USA Sex workers will lower their price to serve the newly-enriched manual factory workers, nor that the women from the relatively lower classes will lose weight or stop using drugs (unless they do more manually difficult factory work, and if you pay them the same as men, they may have relatively less incentive to do commercial sex work at the prices you seem to find appropriate). So you seem to have previously advocated that the USA Simply import its commercial sex workers from low-income countries, much like wealthier countries in Europe do with respect to women from Eastern Europe. There is some logic to that, given that "onshoring" more manual factory work to the USA Would cause more poverty abroad.

I simply try to imaging any politician advocating for what you seem to propose, and I shake my head in bewilderment. Isn't it better to just do wealth redistribution if you think the USA Economic system is simply unfair? I am genuinely curious if you would weight the welfare payments more heavily towards men than women?

Adindas
01-13-21, 14:19
COVID-19 makes me angry especially directed to those who have prevented me of enjoying the life I used to have. Keep in mind many of the world pandemic originated in China including this COVID-19 virus.

The people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc the main carriier of the deadly pandemic virussess.

Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs opened and business run as usual.

I just want my life back.

Mursenary
01-13-21, 14:32
we aren't going to have much luck with the hardcore Trump supporters, but can win over a sizeable portion of those who voted for him, and in light of the violence at the Capital. That process is already underway. And it's never been about Repubs and Dems, though it's often framed that way.Unfortunately Democrat / Liberal vs Republican / Conservative is still a lot major problem.

It's all on the Democrats now. The winnable right of center crowd will not be swayed if the Democratic party continues to use emotional, racial, and moral pandering as part of their messaging campaigns. Racism and violence against black people, while a real issue, is overblown and worsened by making it politically incorrect to place any responsibility on the black community itself whatsoever. American Healthcare while flawed, has it's merits. America is the mecca of medical innovation, the center for development of standards of care, and our system allows for those who don't use many of its services to choose to not pay for more than their fair share. Basically the "Save the Civil Rights of Transgender Whales by Driving Electric Vehicles" motto of American Liberalism will ensure that we will not see the last of Trump or a clone of his. The reasonable right-of-center crowd will continue be disgusted by the Democrat shallow pandering and we may continue to devolve as a nation.

Like I said, it's all on the Dems now. The opportunity is there to win over those of us who are looking for authentic, competent, truth-based leadership where the primary political tool is truth-telling rather than pulling at emotional and moral heartstrings.

Turgid
01-13-21, 15:37
COVID-19 makes me angry especially directed to those who have prevented me of enjoying the life I used to have. Keep in mind many of the world pandemic originated in China including this COVID-19 virus.

The people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc the main carriier of the deadly pandemic virussess.

Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs opened and business run as usual.

I just want my life back.Everyone especially mongers, hookers and those in the airline and hotel industries are angry because of covid 19. However, there is nothing that one can do but wait it out. We should try to make the best of it. With the money one is saving perhaps one can undertake long overdue house renovations or other things one has been putting off for a long time. I have renewed acquaintances with long time friends. I just discovered that one of my female friends from over 30 years ago had a stroke and is in a nursing home. I will be visiting her today. There are many things we can do before this pandemic is over can we can get back to pursuing our favorite pastime.

Tintin1
01-13-21, 16:56
I just discovered that one of my female friends from over 30 years ago had a stroke and is in a nursing home. I will be visiting her today. There are many things we can do before this pandemic is over can we can get back to pursuing our favorite pastime.This is a nice sentiment. Very positive. It won't be long now. We had the long bike ride up the hill, we have the crest and soon the fast descent to the finish line. Like all men, this summer we will be in the clubs, and we will be looking at breasts and our minds will have forgotten all our sorrow.

ExpatLover
01-13-21, 18:21
Again, I don't say no problem in France, when more than 68000 deaths from covid is unfortunately much too much, but we seem better than UK and Germany at the moment and fortunately for us, we don t have a Trump. We also fight against terrorism with deaths for us. But we have high quality of life, higher than Germany or UK for my tastes. I like London, but I would not go to Germany for else than brothels, even Bavaria is beautiful, but I don t go to ski there because we have better places in France, despite famous Kandahar Garmisch Partenkirchen. Except for Verbier, Switzerland is also only for brothels now for me and I buy Swiss white chocolate now in France, to pay tax for my country. When Romanian girls tell me I should visit their beautiful country, I may never go, but I answer they have to be proud of their origin, even they were born poor. I was lucky to have great parents and I m proud to be French, even bad French, but I know what I want.Do you know why the emblem of France is the rooster (LE coq) just because it is the only animal able to sing the feet's in the shit. We have no choice about our origin so why should we be proud for that. I am just living now in a country where the police is doing their job, where the criminals are going to jail, where the neighbours respect each other, where my 2 daughters can go party at any time of the night without taking any risk. Do I wish to go back to France, of course not, it is just a crazy nightmare to thinking about it.

ExpatLover
01-13-21, 18:25
COVID-19 makes me angry especially directed to those who have prevented me of enjoying the life I used to have. Keep in mind many of the world pandemic originated in China including this COVID-19 virus.

The people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc the main carriier of the deadly pandemic virussess.

Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs opened and business run as usual.

I just want my life back.From 1918 to 1924 a lot of people like you were saying that the flue was coming from Spain even Spanish people were killed for that, today it is the Chinese, please let us be a little bit reasonable nobody knows from where this virus is coming from and it doesn't matter at all, the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.

Paulie97
01-13-21, 20:18
Unfortunately Democrat / Liberal vs Republican / Conservative is still a lot major problem.

It's all on the Democrats now. The winnable right of center crowd will not be swayed if the Democratic party continues to use emotional, racial, and moral pandering as part of their messaging campaigns. Racism and violence against black people, while a real issue, is overblown and worsened by making it politically incorrect to place any responsibility on the black community itself whatsoever. American Healthcare while flawed, has it's merits. America is the mecca of medical innovation, the center for development of standards of care, and our system allows for those who don't use many of its services to choose to not pay for more than their fair share..But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the many outright lies in Trumpism. There's an alternate universe out there in social media that is in our politics, and in the WH for a bit longer, from Covid denialism, stop the steal lies, new world order nonsense, and a whole culture of conspiracy theory peddlers and followers. They need to come to reality.

And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for Trump, and thus need to back off in order for him or his movement to go away. If you want to play chicken and egg you can go back to the roots of this country and the white male privilege written into the founding documents. From there you can reference all the attempts in various generations at seeing structural change and the corresponding resistance from those in greater positions of power, chicken and egg galore.

Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But yea, we've had this discussion before. I'm a white guy with a southern accent. You're an Asian guy. You may think you know how many "conservative" or whatever American white guys talk off the record among themselves, but I don't believe it. I know because I'm perceived as safe. I'll inform the members here that it's often ugly, stereotypical, and often fueled with epithets. That also includes white law enforcement officers I've known. So yea, the property damage and violence that has occurred at some protests associated with BLM is wrong, but the heart of their concerns is right on. And I'll add that your use of the world "politically correct" isn't going to go far in forwarding the needed discussions. It's essentially a wholesale dismissal of the concerns of the other side. Often what's deemed politically correct is just being polite.

P.S. I was playing hooky today after committing myself to giving up the internet debates given that I'm way behind on some work endeavors. I may or may not continue, plus you are a fight to the death sort of guy, so I'm confident you'd get the last word anyway. Shoobree though will go back and forth with you as long as you want. Though on this one, he probably agrees with you. LOLOL.

Sirioja
01-13-21, 21:00
From 1918 to 1924 a lot of people like you were saying that the flue was coming from Spain even Spanish people were killed for that, today it is the Chinese, please let us be a little bit reasonable nobody knows from where this virus is coming from and it doesn't matter at all, the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.We know covid started in China in October 2019 and Chinese government lied for months. They threatened doctor Li, now they lost Alibaba boss who disappeared.

Sirioja
01-13-21, 21:30
Do you know why the emblem of France is the rooster (LE coq) just because it is the only animal able to sing the feet's in the shit. We have no choice about our origin so why should we be proud for that. I am just living now in a country where the police is doing their job, where the criminals are going to jail, where the neighbours respect each other, where my 2 daughters can go party at any time of the night without taking any risk. Do I wish to go back to France, of course not, it is just a crazy nightmare to thinking about it.Yes in China you can be put in jail or disappear when you criticize government, in Switzerland you can be put in jail without any proof you are guilty, France respect much more human rights and I m not afraid by my shadow. France is not responsible of Muslims and Jews history, but on first day I arrived in Sarcelles with my RS500, I felt like a foreigner there, but I saw a Caucasian woman and only with her eyes and sending so much love to everybody, Jews and Muslims who are population there, all followed a small woman, because they all knew she worked to help them, when she cried at home, but always big smile and ready to listen and help them. She made quiet between these 2 religions. On my first visit in US, I met a French woman there, nothing about sex, she proposed me to go to Orlando Disney, when I found Miami boring after visiting Everglades, Keys and Hemingway house and Xanadu Bahamas. I wanted to go to Downtown, but in mid 90's everybody told me too dangerous for a white. So, I rent a car and ler's go, 4 straight lines, Chevrolet going on her own and after few kilometers, police car behind with light on roof, policeman coming from his car with hand on gun, knocking at window I didn't want to open when I saw where was his hand. He understood we were foreigners, I explained him I was not used to drive in US and about speed when 95 for I think 60 or 80 LIMIT, he told me he could put me in jail, but French woman told him: but I want to enjoy Mickey, please, and not even a fine, not a Swiss robber, not meaning Swiss people I like, are robbers.

Sirioja
01-13-21, 21:40
Tokyo in island is now under covid, not better than elsewhere. Olympics are in danger, and wet hot Summer is not good time for resistance sports, even dangerous for marathon and long distance walking. China also confine again some places. Now South African and Brazilian mutants, when UK mutant make panic in Western Europe. Hard times to come. Wish vaccine will protect old and medical.

Mursenary
01-13-21, 23:19
But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the

And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for

Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But

P.S. I was playing hooky today after committing myself to giving up the internet debates given that I'm way behind on some work endeavors. I may or may notI wasn't being literal with the phrase, "it's all on the Democrats. " I simply meant that they wield most of the power now and if the party would tone down the bullshit, heartstring pulling rhetoric and start focusing on policy, then we may get somewhere. The very small amounts of condemnation of the summer racial protest was just that, giving them a covid social distance pass due to emotional policy and platform while just one week earlier scrutinizing the protest by redneck militia guys.

Yes conservative politicians and voters bear some responsibility and also have a role to play in avoiding the American apocalypse but the Dems have all of the votes. And if the Dems in charge would stop the emotion pandering, then they may win over more people who are put off by a platform based on political correctness by being polite as you say.

Yes, we can play chicken and egg arguments as referenced in private inbox discussions, but blaming wasn't my priority. I meant that the rise of Trump was enabled by this emotionally charged iteration of the "Progressive" movement, one that is more void of actual policy and focuses more on what sounds good in political theater rather than actual reality-based policy. Yes racism exists and many people harbor racial stereotypes, but things like portraying mass murder of "completely innocent" black men by police officers as based soley on color of skin, as if the nature of poor black American culture and norms of communication and what is considered nonaggressive behavior has nothing to do with a lack of understanding between people from different social backgrounds. Or the fact that the president elect committed to a female vice president before vetting all candidates purely for the sake of signaling that Dems are the party of gender equality.

I'm not sure what you mean by you being white with me being Asian and not knowing how many white guys say racist things in private and why that matters. Yeah, lots of white guys are racists, lots aren't. I don't think being a white person yourself in a country as large and as diverse as the USA really gives you much more insight. Or I can also say that your perception of white male racist prevalence may be skewed to the percentages inherent to the older male generation which does not extrapolate to the younger (one would think) less racist generation.

We'll see if this gets through as it seems that the mods are quite inconsistent with what they let through. Is this too much racial talk? Or is is it okay since it favors a particular side?

Adindas
01-13-21, 23:25
Everyone especially mongers, hookers and those in the airline and hotel industries are angry because of covid 19. However, there is nothing that one can do but wait it out. We should try to make the best of it. With the money one is saving perhaps one can undertake long overdue house renovations or other things one has been putting off for a long time. I have renewed acquaintances with long time friends. I just discovered that one of my female friends from over 30 years ago had a stroke and is in a nursing home. I will be visiting her today. There are many things we can do before this pandemic is over can we can get back to pursuing our favorite pastime.This is encouraging. Thanks for the reminder.

Adindas
01-13-21, 23:35
... the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.Well, do not forget these WGs need us as much as we need them. All of the girls working in the FKKs are self-employed they sell something and we buy, transaction happen. Everyone happy, so happy days.

DaWong949
01-13-21, 23:36
This is a nice sentiment. Very positive. It won't be long now. We had the long bike ride up the hill, we have the crest and soon the fast descent to the finish line. Like all men, this summer we will be in the clubs, and we will be looking at breasts and our minds will have forgotten all our sorrow.Very good!

ShooBree
01-14-21, 01:19
But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the many outright lies in Trumpism. There's an alternate universe out there in social media that is in our politics, and in the WH for a bit longer, from Covid denialism, stop the steal lies, new world order nonsense, and a whole culture of conspiracy theory peddlers and followers. They need to come to reality.

And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for Trump, and thus need to back off in order for him or his movement to go away. If you want to play chicken and egg you can go back to the roots of this country and the white male privilege written into the founding documents. From there you can reference all the attempts in various generations at seeing structural change and the corresponding resistance from those in greater positions of power, chicken and egg galore.

Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But yea, we've had this discussion before. I'm a white guy with a southern accent. You're an Asian guy. You may think you know how many "conservative" or whatever American white guys talk off the record among themselves, but I don't believe it. I know because I'm perceived as safe. I'll inform the members here that it's often ugly, stereotypical, and often fueled with epithets. That also includes white law enforcement officers I've known. So yea, the property damage and violence that has occurred at some protests associated with BLM is wrong, but the heart of their concerns is right on. And I'll add that your use of the world "politically correct" isn't going to go far in forwarding the needed discussions. It's essentially a wholesale dismissal of the concerns of the other side. Often what's deemed politically correct is just being polite..Too funny, how do you think Blacks, Latinos, Arabs and Asians are talking among themselves about other races? I know since I've close friends of different ethnicties. I've so many fun anecdotes on that subject.

Speaking of history, are you even aware of how many Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans, some times even by members within their own tribe. Slavery was a part of African culture. Whites didn't create it, they did however partake in it. Slavery still exists mainly in Arab / North African countries like Mauritania and Libya to mention two countries. Mauritania didn't make slavery illegal until 1981.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/08/the-unspeakable-truth-about-slavery-in-mauritania

https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-the-slave-traders-were-african-11568991595

A large number of European sailors were forced into slavery by North Africans.

https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves--research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/

Racism isn't a white thing, its universal. The key to progress is equal treatment and stop pointing out one ethnicity as responsible for all racism. Not only is it untrue, its causing more friction. There's a reason why POC are mainly moving to USA and not from USA.

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/where_did_we_get_the_idea_that_only_white_people_can_be_racist

https://meaww.com/tucker-carlson-accuses-kristen-clarke-joe-biden-pick-as-doj-civil-rights-division-racism-harvard

https://www.jns.org/biden-nominee-for-justice-department-invited-anti-semite-to-harvard-university/

https://www.ibtimes.sg/kristen-clarke-bidens-civil-rights-division-appointee-black-supremacist-54877

ExpatLover
01-14-21, 04:18
Well, do not forget these WGs need us as much as we need them. All of the girls working in the FKKs are self-employed they sell something and we buy, transaction happen. Everyone happy, so happy days.Sorry they don't need us they need our money, but what are most doing with their money? Most of the girls even with good business for many years have no savings, they are just spending their money on useless things. Sad for them. In this difficult times my target is not to support the P6 industry like the P6 industry will not support me: Every one is life.

ExpatLover
01-14-21, 04:27
Yes in China you can be put in jail or disappear when you criticize government, in Switzerland you can be put in jail without any proof you are guilty, France respect much more human rights and I m not afraid by my shadow. France is not responsible of Muslims and Jews history, but on first day I arrived in Sarcelles with my RS500, I felt like a foreigner there, but I saw a Caucasian woman and only with her eyes and sending so much love to everybody, Jews and Muslims who are population there, all followed a small woman, because they all knew she worked to help them, when she cried at home, but always big smile and ready to listen and help them. She made quiet between these 2 religions. On my first visit in US, I met a French woman there, nothing about sex, she proposed me to go to Orlando Disney, when I found Miami boring after visiting Everglades, Keys and Hemingway house and Xanadu Bahamas. I wanted to go to Downtown, but in mid 90's everybody told me too dangerous for a white. So, I rent a car and ler's go, 4 straight lines, Chevrolet going on her own and after few kilometers, police car behind with light on roof, policeman coming from his car with hand on gun, knocking at window I didn't want to open when I saw where was his hand. He understood we were foreigners, I explained him I was not used to drive in US and about speed when 95 for I think 60 or 80 LIMIT, he told me he could put me in jail, but French woman told him: but I want to enjoy Mickey, please, and not even a fine, not a Swiss robber, not meaning Swiss people I like, are robbers.I drove millions of kilometers in my life, in many different countries, was only controlled 1 time in Morocco by the Gendarmerie Royale even 0 control in Namibia, Senegal. I never got any ticket. I also worked in Switzerland and never got any problems with the police. The road is not a place to express our frustrations, (big cars small dicks: those who are thinking that they are better drivers than the others should go on racing circuits.

Mursenary
01-14-21, 07:34
Too funny, how do you think Blacks, Latinos, Arabs and Asians are talking among themselves about other races? I know since I've close friends of different ethnicties. I've so many fun anecdotes on that subject.

Speaking of history, are you even aware of how many Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans, some times even by members within their own tribe. Slavery was a part of African culture. Whites didn't create it, they did however partake in it. Slavery still exists mainly in Arab / North African countries like Mauritania and Libya to mention two countries. Mauritania didn't make slavery illegal until 1981.

A large number of European sailors were forced into slavery by North Africans.

Racism isn't a white thing, its universal. The key to progress is equal treatment and stop pointing out one ethnicity as responsible for all racism. Not only is it untrue, its causing more friction. There's a reason why POC are mainly moving to USA and not from USA.Well, we were talking about the USA so methinks that enslaved white people have nothing to do with this conversation.

Paulie97
01-14-21, 18:04
I wasn't being literal with the phrase, "it's all on the Democrats. " I simply meant that they wield most of the power now and if the party would tone down the bullshit, heartstring pulling rhetoric and start focusing on policy, then we may get somewhere. The very small amounts of condemnation of the summer racial protest was just that, giving them a covid social distance pass due to emotional policy and platform while just one week earlier scrutinizing the protest by redneck militia guys.

Yes conservative politicians and voters bear some responsibility and also have a role to play in avoiding the American apocalypse but the Dems have all of the votes. And if the Dems in charge would stop the emotion pandering, then they may win over more people who are put off by a platform based on political correctness by being polite as you say.As usual we mostly agree, and I see that I misinterpreted parts of your post. I'm a lifelong Dem but am not on board with the far left wing of the party like Bernie, Warren, and the squad. Though the right likes to focus on them, they are a minority. As you can see none from that group became the presidential nominee, nor did they in 2016. We are a centrist country, and that's what we need to return to and maintain.

I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.

The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.

Yes racism is engrained in US culture from the start, and was maintained through mediums like minstrel shows, the mockery of black children in literature, household products and brands, and the list goes on. What's been most concerning recently is the fleeing unarmed black suspects that were shot in the back, the case where suspects said they couldn't breathe and the cop didn't let up, and the lynching of the jogger Ahmaud Arbrey in Georgia.

Yea is true I tend hang with an older crowd when with other whites, and younger white guys as a whole are better on race, but still have a good ways to go. I got to hear plenty of chatter from younger racists when teaching at a private school. It comes with an hier of superiority, which is often unwarranted. For example when comparing a racist trailer park white to a successful professional black, the former looks like a fool.

Sirioja
01-14-21, 19:51
I drove millions of kilometers in my life, in many different countries, was only controlled 1 time in Morocco by the Gendarmerie Royale even 0 control in Namibia, Senegal. I never got any ticket. I also worked in Switzerland and never got any problems with the police. The road is not a place to express our frustrations, (big cars small dicks: those who are thinking that they are better drivers than the others should go on racing circuits.This is why I only have compact, not heavy cars, maximum 1350 kgs and quattro is not the best as I tell Audi, because when you learned about dynamic at school, then you know weight is the enemy for movement and making inerty. For German DTM, Audi would take TT or A3, for WRC A1 , because more sporty potential than trucks Q or too heavy A4, A6 and A8, powerful, but not sporty, but you just have to know how work a car, to play with grip limit and then you understand easily. German autobahns, Italy between Tarvisio and south Torino, are relaxing for me, Switzerland is so stressful nightmare, seeing RSQ or Panamera like snails. All my Swiss overspeed were under 120 km / h on autobahn, but leading to jail with Albanian drugs dealer.

Sirioja
01-14-21, 20:07
Seem also now South African one who could be more powerful and not sure vaccine will be efficient. Anyway World Health organization said not enough vaccine on 2021 to get immune population. For healthy, maybe to catch and train own soldiers to fights all mutants. Healthy, well trained lungs should help.I'm afraid I was right and really wish to mistake, but not enough vaccines, Germany and France will have to make less vaccines or only first time injection because of lack, so I wish at least old and medical who don't deserve to die when trying to cure or save us, will be protected, but no vaccine for others, so covid and mutants will keep on spreading on 2021. At least no confine in France, but dodo at 6 pm, like chickens, when schools are closed in Germany, catastrophe in UK and Ireland or Denmark. I will keep on working, outside in the cold, on the field, like proud rooster, even I don't sing so good.

Adindas
01-14-21, 22:10
Sorry they don't need us they need our money, but what are most doing with their money? Most of the girls even with good business for many years have no savings, they are just spending their money on useless things. Sad for them. In this difficult times my target is not to support the P6 industry like the P6 industry will not support me: Every one is life.Do you think the people need to clarify the obvious? How did they get your money if you have not booked them??

You also often hear celebrities needs journalists as much as the journalists need them. It is obviously this referring to news.

Arnold15
01-14-21, 22:18
New lockdown in France.

Congratulations.

Forbidden to go outdoors after 18.00 in 2 weeks.

How many times has France induced such restrictions?

10 or 15 times?

And no gains at all.

Only gigantic costs.

Cheers from Sweden.

Mursenary
01-14-21, 22:44
I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.

The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.I agree that Trump's election was made possible in part by a racist reaction to Obama. But to say that is the primary reason belittles what may be a more complex, more consequential social-political energy of the late 2000's and first half of 2010's. Obama was not the only development of that time. The Tea Party gained more prominence, at least it became a more vocal and perhaps more unified sect of various populist movements in the past. Even Occupy Wall-street on the opposite end of the spectrum harbored a similar anti-elitist energy. The difference is that the Tea Partiers actually organized and got officials elected. My point is, simply putting all of the emphasis on racism, ignores a much deeper and more complex reason to explain the rise of Trumpism. It is indeed largely cultural but not merely or primarily anti-black.

As for the reasoning for Kamala as VP pick, I get the theory but that is what I mean, was it actually effective? And why did he have to openly commit to a female in the first place? In that pandering, did she really have an effect? Biden did take a substantial amount of suburban women, but was it due to the Harris pick or did Trump and all his ways already pushed them there? One thing's for sure, the Harris pick did not sway white suburban women, as they went Trump 50-55% in both elections, perhaps slightly in higher percentages in 2020 than in 2016.

https://www.thecut.com/amp/2020/11/many-white-women-still-voted-for-trump-in-2020.html

Imagine if Biden picked a candidate with more substance, the results of the election may never have been in doubt. Imagine if he picked someone like Andrew Yang, a candidate that actually had substance and was known for having cross appeal to many Trump voters. Or if insisted on picking a minority woman, why Kamala? She probably had the leadt substance of the bunch and was the one who least genuinely harvests the energy of people of her ethnic background. She's basically a brown Hilary, a Karen if you will. A candidate of more substance and less polarizing would have been a Stacey Abrams or even a Tulsi Gabbard.

Not to make light of all of your other points on racism but I'm just choosing not to address them as I don't think there is anything to expand on, as anyone who took it upon themselves to just be familiarized with the racial dynamics history in America would be familiar with those realities. That and this is entirely the wrong audience for such topics, not that we've haven't already strayed well far from the special topics at hand.

ExpatLover
01-15-21, 03:20
This is why I only have compact, not heavy cars, maximum 1350 kgs and quattro is not the best as I tell Audi, because when you learned about dynamic at school, then you know weight is the enemy for movement and making inerty. For German DTM, Audi would take TT or A3, for WRC A1 , because more sporty potential than trucks Q or too heavy A4, A6 and A8, powerful, but not sporty, but you just have to know how work a car, to play with grip limit and then you understand easily. German autobahns, Italy between Tarvisio and south Torino, are relaxing for me, Switzerland is so stressful nightmare, seeing RSQ or Panamera like snails. All my Swiss overspeed were under 120 km / h on autobahn, but leading to jail with Albanian drugs dealer.My target when I am driving is to go from one place to another by respecting the rules and the others. For decades I am driving Land Cruiser diesel, heavy, conformable and reliable cars. I never drive more than 130 km / h, I feel safe and never had any accident. I listen to my radio or podcasts.

ExpatLover
01-15-21, 03:32
As usual we mostly agree, and I see that I misinterpreted parts of your post. I'm a lifelong Dem but am not on board with the far left wing of the party like Bernie, Warren, and the squad. Though the right likes to focus on them, they are a minority. As you can see none from that group became the presidential nominee, nor did they in 2016. We are a centrist country, and that's what we need to return to and maintain.

I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.

The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.

Yes racism is engrained in US culture from the start, and was maintained through mediums like minstrel shows, the mockery of black children in literature, household products and brands, and the list goes on. What's been most concerning recently is the fleeing unarmed black suspects that were shot in the back, the case where suspects said they couldn't breathe and the cop didn't let up, and the lynching of the jogger Ahmaud Arbrey in Georgia.Racism is coming from every where, not only white against black but also black against white. For me the main reason is that today there is no homogeneity in our western style countries and even more importantly the society is split in so many different groups, the Latinos, the Chinese, the white, the blacks but also the gay, the lesbians, the people from the big cities, the rural, and so many more. The governments are weaker and weaker unable to be above al those groups and to federate a common dream. On top of that you had politicians like Trump who create even more confusions, segregations, racism and you can t be very optimistic for the future.

ExpatLover
01-15-21, 04:17
Do you think the people need to clarify the obvious? How did they get your money if you have not booked them??

You also often hear celebrities needs journalists as much as the journalists need them. It is obviously this referring to news.Most of us have different targets in life and our targets fluctuate, to make it simple my targets today are very different from those 30 years back. My first one is to keep healthy, my second is to try to increase my welfare to secure even more my future. After 15 years of mongering with thousand of experiences I am at the end of this journey, I have more pleasure to look for a new classic car than to book a new escort.

PaulInZurich
01-15-21, 08:07
All my Swiss overspeed were under 120 km / h on autobahn, but leading to jail with Albanian drugs dealer.So you admit you were speeding and in the end you ended up in jail because you didn't pay. You break the law, there are consequences.

Sirioja
01-15-21, 09:40
This is a nice sentiment. Very positive. It won't be long now. We had the long bike ride up the hill, we have the crest and soon the fast descent to the finish line. Like all men, this summer we will be in the clubs, and we will be looking at breasts and our minds will have forgotten all our sorrow.When won't have enough vaccine to stop spreading with already 3 mutants now, wish at least less deaths, protecting old, medical and wish also for weak. Maybe when hot weather will come, can also help, but not sure Germany big brothel will open soon, when Germany suffer more at the moment than under first wave, even closing schools and stayed closed on last Summer when didn't have so many deaths. LR asked for negative test, when reopening after Summer. Samya, Gold, Bab didn't.

Sirioja
01-15-21, 10:16
New lockdown in France.

Congratulations.

Forbidden to go outdoors after 18.00 in 2 weeks.

How many times has France induced such restrictions?

10 or 15 times?

And no gains at all.

Only gigantic costs.

Cheers from Sweden.France is not closed, schools and many stores are still open, when not too much snow. We can still go to work outside whole day in the cold, to be with our team, and we don t have 1000 deaths per day. If we get allowance, we can work outside after 6 pm with no problem, in cold night. A lot of snow on this Winter, maybe because less pollution and hear from industries. For positive, we may breathe more pure air, to clean our lungs, to be strong versus virus and UK, South African and Brazilian.

Adindas
01-15-21, 14:09
Sorry they don't need us they need our money, but what are most doing with their money? Most of the girls even with good business for many years have no savings, they are just spending their money on useless things. Sad for them. In this difficult times my target is not to support the P6 industry like the P6 industry will not support me: Every one is life.

I think it is better to put in a more blatant and vulgar ways. We need their pus*sies as much as they need our money, LOL.

They sell services with expectation someone is buying it and we buy those services.

Now Everyone is happy. The prossies, the punters, the states (they get tax), The policemen (make their job easier as there will be less crime on the street, less problem with raped, sex assaults, etc). Also keep in mind, there is no harm of providing the services, in fact we are helping them to feed their family at home.

Also do not forget puss*es and cockies always come hand in hand, it is good combination, a god given.

So, I will argue the prostitution is good for community as long as no one / no party engaging this business has been forced.

The parties who are against it, the "Femen activists", the religious organisations. They try to propose banning simply because they do not like it Not becuase it causes a problem to cummunity. If the activity is banned, all parties, the punter, prossies, the state, the police will be effected but it will not have impact on these femen and religious organisation.

As a punter remember the word "yolo" (you only live once)

Mursenary
01-15-21, 14:15
Never knew so many posters were from Sweden. I've noticed at least 4 somewhat regulars here over these past several months. And all but one have have similar ways of thinking and writing. Either Swedes are truly a homogenous society or a group of Swedish have discovered ISG and are now having loads of fun.

Sirioja
01-15-21, 17:07
Most of us have different targets in life and our targets fluctuate, to make it simple my targets today are very different from those 30 years back. My first one is to keep healthy, my second is to try to increase my welfare to secure even more my future. After 15 years of mongering with thousand of experiences I am at the end of this journey, I have more pleasure to look for a new classic car than to book a new escort.But you are still daily stuck here, rather than cutting link with this business. I can't believe you miss guys and girls in this business interest. But you are right to save your money, but I won t need when I will die, and to save your health. From my sports and tests results, I trust mine and look forward my sports, if they open lift, it will be maximum attack and making lines in what we call puff.

Sirioja
01-15-21, 17:28
So you admit you were speeding and in the end you ended up in jail because you didn't pay. You break the law, there are consequences.My A3 even quattro and improved, is not able to go on her own, but my meaning was only very small overspeed in 80 or 100 limit zones on autobahns, never under tunnels because I remember Sion crash killing so many children. I was never caught on overspeed in Switzerland, so according to human rights, if no proof I was the driver, then I m innocent and put in jail, like in dictatures or China. Switzerland don t respect human rights and not only about me, but a poor guy not paying bus ticket when he took to try to find a job, yes he was not blond Swiss, but more clever than average of guys.

ShooBree
01-15-21, 17:37
Well, we were talking about the USA so methinks that enslaved white people have nothing to do with this conversation.You're wrong, it's just that you don't understand how it fits in.

Sirioja
01-15-21, 17:50
My target when I am driving is to go from one place to another by respecting the rules and the others. For decades I am driving Land Cruiser diesel, heavy, conformable and reliable cars. I never drive more than 130 km / h, I feel safe and never had any accident. I listen to my radio or podcasts.A bad guy following all girls and hiding under beds, a bad driver for more than 1500 kms every week end, when I should lose 8 points in 6 months in France and was really lucky when on motorbikes gendarmerie told me they had to push really hard to catch me testing new A1 40 TSFI which could be fun with Shiftech improvement as always, fortunately flashing me at the beginning of acceleration up to 210 on GPS for 110 on limit, but no racket nor jail when 0 alcohol of course, in France. Each time, gendarmerie asking me: Your car works quite well, and I answer: but I don't drink nor drug.

BigBuddy69
01-15-21, 17:51
They all have a strong herd immunity fetish but at least some of them have a basic knowledge of good manners.

ShooBree
01-15-21, 17:53
As usual we mostly agree, and I see that I misinterpreted parts of your post. I'm a lifelong Dem but am not on board with the far left wing of the party like Bernie, Warren, and the squad. Though the right likes to focus on them, they are a minority. As you can see none from that group became the presidential nominee, nor did they in 2016. We are a centrist country, and that's what we need to return to and maintain.

I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.

The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.So please explain in what way Kristen Clarke is a "centrist"? She's apparently a black supremacist and in no way less deranged than any of the established Republicans.

What's apparent to me is that either you don't know black people or you do know black people and support black supremacists. Racism among blacks against white people just reached an all time high.

Blacks have themselves to blame for their bad reputation. After all, blacks having a bad limitation due to their actions isn't exclusive to USA, but is a world wide sentiment.

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/12/30/ethiopian-refugee-symbol-of-integration-in-italy-killed-on-farm

ShooBree
01-15-21, 17:56
Never knew so many posters were from Sweden. I've noticed at least 4 somewhat regulars here over these past several months. And all but one have have similar ways of thinking and writing. Either Swedes are truly a homogenous society or a group of Swedish have discovered ISG and are now having loads of fun.Haha, what a joke. You don't know much / anything about Sweden.

ExpatLover
01-15-21, 19:15
But you are still daily stuck here, rather than cutting link with this business. I can't believe you miss guys and girls in this business interest. But you are right to save your money, but I won t need when I will die, and to save your health. From my sports and tests results, I trust mine and look forward my sports, if they open lift, it will be maximum attack and making lines in what we call puff.Yes I like to write in English every day, if you check a little bit you will see that usually I am doing it in the night (I am also checking what the Nikkei and HKEX) or in the evening after finishing my work, never during day time. I had very few contacts with guys in the FKK, usually they always asked me about the girls (I never share any info about a girl) or there were speaking to rudely for me.

ExpatLover
01-15-21, 19:18
I think it is better to put in a more blatant and vulgar ways. We need their pus*sies as much as they need our money, LOL.

They sell services with expectation someone is buying it and we buy those services.

Now Everyone is happy. The prossies, the punters, the states (they get tax), The policemen (make their job easier as there will be less crime on the street, less problem with raped, sex assaults, etc). Also keep in mind, there is no harm of providing the services, in fact we are helping them to feed their family at home.

Also do not forget puss*es and cockies always come hand in hand, it is good combination, a god given.

So, I will argue the prostitution is good for community as long as no one / no party engaging this business has been forced.

The parties who are against it, the "Femen activists", the religious organisations. They try to propose banning simply because they do not like it Not becuase it causes a problem to cummunity. If the activity is banned, all parties, the punter, prossies, the state, the police will be effected but it will not have impact on these femen and religious organisation.

As a punter remember the word "yolo" (you only live once)I am afraid that they are not supporting their families but their pimps. I control my libido and if there is no prostitution I will not rape a girl, very strange mindset even to make this kind of correlation.

Mursenary
01-16-21, 02:02
You're wrong, it's just that you don't understand how it fits in.Wrong about what? That two other people were talking about American racism and some rando comes talking about North African and Offshore slavery? I feel like you're having more fun on the American politics thread. They bukkake on your face a little more to your liking.

Also, you've "unbanned" me I see, LOL. Pathetic show of self restraint.

Mursenary
01-16-21, 02:05
They all have a strong herd immunity fetish but at least some of them have a basic knowledge of good manners.It is strange that I've counted at least 4 of them and 3 seem to be very similar. It's as if 3 teenage boys got together and started trolling the same board.

Mursenary
01-16-21, 03:44
I am afraid that they are not supporting their families but their pimps. I control my libido and if there is no prostitution I will not rape a girl, very strange mindset even to make this kind of correlation.Not all have pimps. Not even most. I don't think even half.

Adindas
01-16-21, 12:57
I am afraid that they are not supporting their families but their pimps. I control my libido and if there is no prostitution I will not rape a girl, very strange mindset even to make this kind of correlation.This is another bollock especially from a person who have visited FKK many times in the pasts. If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countres?

Also do not forget pimping is illegal, if pimping is the general case in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If an informed punter knows a certain FKKs are overwhelmed by the trafficked girls who have been forced to go into prostitution, they will report it here on ISG to warn the fellow punters or report it to the police. Keep in mind the people visit FKK to have a good time not to getinto trouble. But This is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples : Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc.

I never say that the punters will not be able to control their sexual desire and will rape the girl if the prostitution is not available or banned entirely. But the statistics around the world has shown that there is a strong correlation between the availability of paid sex and rape case. Just look at the rape case of domestic workers coming from poor countries in Asia in middle east and compare it to the rape case in Germany.

ExpatLover
01-16-21, 16:07
This is another bollock especially from a person who have visited FKK many times in the pasts. If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countres?

Also do not forget pimping is illegal, if pimping is the general case in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If an informed punter knows a certain FKKs are overwhelmed by the trafficked girls who have been forced to go into prostitution, they will report it here on ISG to warn the fellow punters or report it to the police. Keep in mind the people visit FKK to have a good time not to getinto trouble. But This is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples : Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc..Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work". I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?

Mursenary
01-16-21, 18:21
Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work". I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?A handful of old BMWs and MBs are seen dropping girls off. More arrive in Taxi's often with 2 or 3 girls sharing a car. At Sharks, I often park across the street where the lover boys and pimps wait and there are hardly ever more than 2-3 cars waiting for girls at the end of the night. I do see many more girls hoping into taxi's. The largest group just sleep in the clubs.

Plenty of research has been done to support the correlation of decreased sexual violence-rape and legalized prostitution. Some even show a decline in sexually transmitted diseases due to regulation and education.

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002680

http://www.restud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/MS21721manuscript.pdf

https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/pol.20150299

https://www.independent.org/pdf/working_papers/50_prostitution.pdf

Not to mention a decrease in drug use:

https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_34571_EN_NR2005Netherlands.pdf

But be fair, there's some research that supports the counter argument, but they seem to be in the minority.

http://www.economics-human-trafficking.org/mediapool/99/998280/data/Cho_An_Analysis_of_Sexual_Violence_ADP_9_1_12-34.pdf

https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1175&context=dignity

Mursenary
01-16-21, 18:38
are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?He meant that Middle Eastern men are abusing and raping their imported domestic workers. These women come from Indonesia, the Philippines, and various African countries.

https://news.trust.org/item/20141023104335-s8zo7/

https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/fr/node/196097

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1751651/middle-east

https://www.dw.com/en/foreign-domestic-workers-suffer-abuse-in-mideast/a-16423615

https://gal-dem.com/i-was-screaming-but-there-was-no-one-around-the-exploitation-of-domestic-workers-in-the-gulf-region/

https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/12/13/dubai-man-62-accused-of-raping-domestic-worker

Adindas
01-16-21, 21:02
Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work"

You refused to answer these questions:

If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countries?. If they were forced to become a prostitute, and they managed to escape as they are already in safe hand at home, are they going to come backk at the same place ?

Pimping is illegal. There are significant number of Girls woking in FKKs. if pimping was a pandemic in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If you are pretty sure they have been trafficked / pimped why did not you report it to the authority??

About the transportation you see before FKK opening, it is the fact that these girls mostly from Romania are just a short term (say 1-3 months) in FKKs in Germany before having a break home. So, it is difficult for them to get a proper renting arrangement for such short period of time such as those a permanent workers, students will get.

So, in many cases the FKK need to provide them accommodation to rent. Some of the accommodation are within walking distance within FKKs some are not, so to save cost of taxi the FKK or their agent are helping them by providing transportation services between venue and home.



I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?
Another misunderstanding. I never said the Asian guys are raping them when they are in middle east. There are a lot of news the domestic workers sexual abuse done by their hosts/masters(or family members/ realtives) in middle east. It is significantly higher than those in Germany.

Sirioja
01-16-21, 21:35
Unfortunately, many girls and not only Romanians but also Germans, are pimped. I remember one at LR buying him a car with her first month earning and having to return to be fucked much earlier than she told me when she flied home. Many have taxi pimp, some have pimp at home in Romania. Pimp meaning a guy who live with WG money or get money from her. I will have to keep on improving to give orgasmus because if many say thank You, but none bought me a car, I have to work to pay. Some Germans have pimp name written on them, telling this is brother.

Palcon
01-16-21, 21:40
Not all have pimps. Not even most. I don't think even half.Yes they don't have pimps. They have lover boys you know the perfect man who loves and cares about them, respects and supports them for having sex w / other men for money. Wonder what they think their men are doing while they're busy banging other dudes. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them left them for other women since that money well has run dry the past year.

Palcon
01-16-21, 21:42
If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countries?. If they were forced to become a prostitute, and they managed to escape as they are already in safe hand at home, are they going to come backk at the same place?.They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.

Adindas
01-16-21, 22:00
They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.

Say that to ExpatLover. He still believes these FKK girls are not making money and they have been pimped, so working against their will. If this thing was true than all of us the FKK visitors were taking part in a crime business. Also, it was an insult to German law enforcers as if they did not aware of the biggest crime in humanity In front of their eyes. But this is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents might also provide accomodation, transportation, travel arragement for a fee. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents are everywhere even in highly paid jobEsuch job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc, , not only in escort businesses.

Mursenary
01-16-21, 22:02
Yes they don't have pimps. They have lover boys you know the perfect man who loves and cares about them, respects and supports them for having sex w / other men for money. Wonder what they think their men are doing while they're busy banging other dudes. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them left them for other women since that money well has run dry the past year.While the lover boy phenomenon is real, that seems to be more prevalent to the newer girls. Some of these girls speak openly about how they got in the business and how they've become independent. At Sharks, many of the cliques even take some newer girls under their wing and eventually depose the lover boys. A lot of these girls end up connecting with me on Instagram and I often see the moment when a girl transcends the lover boy stage into the independent stage. Usually it's when they start posting things like vacationing outside of Europe or get a driver's license.


They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.Yes, 20 something year old prostitutes have bad money habits. Not exactly a shocking observation.

The bigger point is that unlike EPL suggests, perhaps you are too, they do indeed help their families also. And as previously discussed, I don't think the pimp-lover boy phenomenon is as prevalent as suggested. Definitely not with the rise of smart phones, utility apps, ease of transport in these past 10 years. Basically, I'm saying that some of the older mongers have older perceptions and have not kept up with how the WG's lives within the industry have changed.

Palcon
01-16-21, 22:10
Say that to ExpatLover. He still believe these FKK girls are not making money and they have been pimped, so working against their will.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples: Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc.Hmm you're both right. They definitely make money. Most of these girls don't know what a pimp is. Their boyfriends / husband "supports" them to do sex work. It's not against their will since they believe their pimps loves them and she's working so they can have have a better life together. I've known a few girls some luckier than others where their pimps stole everything from them. Some of them are more patient than others and wait to get married to take the house and wipe out the bank account.

Adindas
01-16-21, 22:40
Hmm you're both right. They definitely make money. Most of these girls don't know what a pimp is. Their boyfriends / husband "supports" them to do sex work. It's not against their will since they believe their pimps loves them and she's working so they can have have a better life together. I've known a few girls some luckier than others where their pimps stole everything from them. Some of them are more patient than others and wait to get married to take the house and wipe out the bank account.

Taking advantage from a friend, boyfriend, girls' friends are not a crime as long as coercive force are not used. It is everywhere not just in prostitution business. The well-known term for that is "friends with benefits".

Also I do not believe these "friend with benefit" are majority of cases in FKKs, keep in mind many of them already have children at home.

Palcon
01-16-21, 22:58
Taking advantage from a friend, boyfriend, girls' friends are not a crime as long as coercive force are not used. It is everywhere not just in prostitution business. The well-known term for that is "friends with benefits".

Also I do not believe these "friend with benefit" are majority of cases in FKKs, keep in mind many of them already have children at home.Pimps don't always use coercion they can also employ manipulation. Yes the benefit is they'll take some or all of the girl's earnings at some point idk how that benefits the girls. But the term you're using "friends with benefits" refers to the guy getting pussy. Yes. I'm aware many of them have children at home and are still working because they're single moms or their pimps raided their savings. I will be happy when the clubs reopen. Girls w/ pimps will be back and there should be an influx of new girls.

Rambambinoz
01-17-21, 02:27
Never knew so many posters were from Sweden. I've noticed at least 4 somewhat regulars here over these past several months. And all but one have have similar ways of thinking and writing. Either Swedes are truly a homogenous society or a group of Swedish have discovered ISG and are now having loads of fun.I randomly struck up a conversation in Artemis with a guy from Malmö. Later in the evening we bumped into his friend's son in the club who was also from Malmö! I do try to tell people I meet and get along with about ISG, we all use aliases here though so wouldn't know if any joined.

ExpatLover
01-17-21, 03:10
Say that to ExpatLover. He still believes these FKK girls are not making money and they have been pimped, so working against their will. If this thing was true than all of us the FKK visitors were taking part in a crime business. Also, it was an insult to German law enforcers as if they did not aware of the biggest crime in humanity In front of their eyes. But this is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents might also provide accomodation, transportation, travel arragement for a fee. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents are everywhere even in highly paid jobEsuch job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc, , not only in escort businesses.You are taking part in nothing, it is legal in Germany and you should not be aware what is behind the scene. Like when you go to a restaurant you are not aware if the cook is a illegal migrant. You are not willing to understand the reality sorry it is your problem, of course the girls are not beaten every morning to go working, but the have a strong affective relation with a kind of BF who is benefiting from her money.

ExpatLover
01-17-21, 03:16
Taking advantage from a friend, boyfriend, girls' friends are not a crime as long as coercive force are not used. It is everywhere not just in prostitution business. The well-known term for that is "friends with benefits".

Also I do not believe these "friend with benefit" are majority of cases in FKKs, keep in mind many of them already have children at home.No it is not the majority just 80%, probably more in some FKK always the same attitude when the reality does' t match our own beliefs the reality does' t exists. So much more comfortable to think that most of the girls are there because they like sex, they are students, they work for supporting their sister and brother, to pay for the cancer treatment of the grand father and so on. But the reality is quite different.

Sirioja
01-17-21, 13:14
Unfortunately, many girls and not only Romanians but also Germans, are pimped. I remember one at LR buying him a car with her first month earning and having to return to be fucked much earlier than she told me when she flied home. Many have taxi pimp, some have pimp at home in Romania. Pimp meaning a guy who live with WG money or get money from her. I will have to keep on improving to give orgasmus because if many say thank You, but none bought me a car, I have to work to pay. Some Germans have pimp name written on them, telling this is brother.For sure, most of girls don t say when they have BF and giving him our money or buying him car at home or to taxi her, but World or Oase shows with so many taxi BF, talk and I'm pretty sure same in many other clubs. When girls know being pimped is not good for image and business, when some guys don t want to give money to lazy pimps and this is not a good woman image for me, but on the other hand, very exciting for me to make cum divorced or little mum, repeating my life, or pimped or telling to have BF, Domenika a real Hungarian was fun for this and playing Hanibal Lecter with her coming earlier period, at Bruggen. Of course, some like one at Sharks prefer to make very wise business social media profile to catch their targets, better for business to make dream guys, than much less attractive truth. How many social media profiles show truth? Or maybe more what they want to show and play. I believe what I see with my own 2 small eyes.

Mongerer88
01-17-21, 16:33
With the vicissitudes of salaries for ordinary workers today the prices for p4p in the US has not budged downwards. During this pandemic period the best that has happened is that the charges by escorts remain the same. If a pandemic cannot bring down the costs of our favorite hobby nothing will.I agree. Supply has met demand for high-end escorts in the USA, and there ain't much that can be done about it.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/273955

There are much better prices for lower-end ladies in the U. S, but seeing them often entails accepting that they use drugs, are physically unattractive, often mentally unbalanced, and come from a market source that involves a significant chance of encountering law enforcement.

A solution would be for increased immigration of ladies predisposed to do commercial sex work, but that ain't going to happen in the USA A major effort occurred about a decade ago by USA Immigration and Border Patrol to keep Canadian escorts from touring the northeast. It was unfortunately quite successful, and many Canadian escorts were forced to accept a ten year ban from entering the USA After being confronted with Internet information regarding their planned tours after having the contents of their bags searched and inventoried. They still speak bitterly about it on the Canadian discussion boards, with good reason. So there is zero percent chance the USA Will ever let in the multitudes of ladies from Eastern Europe, South America, and Mexico / Central America that are significantly responsible for the low prices in developed countries like Germany, Spain and Portugal. The local Spanish and Portuguese providers simply price match the immigrants, so their pricing effect is definitely there, even if difficult to quantify. The number of hot Venezuelans currently advertising and being reviewed on the Spanish review boards is amazing.

From a long-term business marketing perspective, this USA Model of independent escorts getting the highest possible short-term price is indeed quite bad from a standpoint of building any loyalty from young men of modest means. Just a few days ago, I noticed a tweet asking that customers give a voluntary donation to their favorite Onlyfans lady, because many of them were emotionally traumatized by the mean comments right below this article, and on the twitter feed for the article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/business/onlyfans-pandemic-users.html

Based on the twitter and Facebook profiles of many commentators leaving comments that the ladies found objectionable, many were in fact young men. A brothel or escort agency would realize that setting a price for inclusive of young men earning relatively less might get them a customer who would do business with them for forty or fifty years. An independent escort presumably has less incentive to do so. Although it would still make sense for them to privately offer such deals, at least in my opinion. Maybe some do when they encounter a young guy who they like and who might be a customer for a long time?

Palcon
01-17-21, 17:20
How many social media profiles show truth? Or maybe more what they want to show and play. I believe what I see with my own 2 small eyes. Fake lives just like their designer clothes

Sirioja
01-17-21, 17:33
And also some girls pimping other girls, explaining them such business when they are at home in Romania or Hungary, giving them information, and after asking them to pay, usually 50 € in NRW, per girl per day they work. Daria at LR was pimped by a girl who informed her for such job, Karina was probably also. A Hungarian pimped another Hungarian at Bruggen. How could girls find brothels address and which one to choose from their deep Romania where most come from, how could they pay the trip, do they ask their parents for such information, or at school? I also remember a Romanian / Hungarian star at Bruggen kicked in face by another girl pimp. Pimping mean taking money from a prostitute, being bought a car is also pimping, unfortunately polizei can t do anything because these girls think and say their BF, but these guys would leave like rabbits if they didn't get money from their beloved GF fucked by everybody to make money for them. A bad guy like me would never ask my beloved GF to go to fuck with other guys to bring me money. Shame for these guys, not real men for me, probably why most of girls find what I think quite normal Caucasian size, too big and they are not used to in business and with BF pimp.

Mursenary
01-17-21, 20:01
Fake lives just like their designer clothesAgreed on that. Yes social media is a constructed image. But that other dude commenting is not clever enough to spot the fake from the real.

Point however, was that there are trends you see that differentiate the girls who are completely independent and ones who still have lover boys. Getting a driver's license, buying a home, vacationing anywhere not Spain, Italy, or Turkey, those signs are correlated with girls who are free of lover boys. Some even make a permanent move to Germany and acquire part time jobs (tax purposes I believe). One GT girl told me how she was wrestling with the job and hiding it from her new German boyfriend.

Others even help other girls in the business. One Acapulco girl would even drive another girl to work on days that she was not working herself.

Anyway, it's not 2010 anymore and many of these girls are more capable than some here give them credit for. While many girls are still coerced by "boyfriends", to say that 80% of girls have pimps and lover boys is laughable to me and just reflects how out of touch some of the guys are.

ScatManDoo
01-17-21, 22:41
You're such a moron, it's not possible for you to see my posts if I put you on ignore. So it basically serves as a ban. How dumb are you?

I know that you're scared of my posts because you can't argument against them.English speakers and literates would say, and write this:

"Because you can't argue against them".


You've already embarrassed yourself There you go.

Projecting again.

SMH.

Pistons
01-17-21, 22:51
Enjoy the killer vaccine guys! Apparently lots of people have died from just one jab. Let see how many dies from the 2nd one! Or wait, its being censored by most countries. Just like Facebook and twitter! LOL.

ShooBree
01-17-21, 23:42
They all have a strong herd immunity fetish but at least some of them have a basic knowledge of good manners.Funny to hear that from you considering that the French are considered as the rudest and most arrogant people of Europe.

ShooBree
01-17-21, 23:43
Wrong about what? That two other people were talking about American racism and some rando comes talking about North African and Offshore slavery? I feel like you're having more fun on the American politics thread. They bukkake on your face a little more to your liking.

Also, you've "unbanned" me I see, LOL. Pathetic show of self restraint.You're lack of intelligence is showing. Apparently you're unable to connect the dots.

ShooBree
01-17-21, 23:45
It is strange that I've counted at least 4 of them and 3 seem to be very similar. It's as if 3 teenage boys got together and started trolling the same board.Funny that you, the poster boy of the Dunning-Kruger effect, is commenting on others considering that you seem to be a troll with a inferiority complex.

Beijing4987
01-18-21, 01:09
Funny to hear that from you considering that the French are considered as the rudest and most arrogant people of Europe.Don't leave out the ugly Americans, "some we can assume, are good people".

Mursenary
01-18-21, 01:15
Funny that you, the poster boy of the Dunning-Kruger effect, is commenting on others considering that you seem to be a troll with a inferiority complex.How's that "ban" going? Apparently not so good. Hope the bukkake is going better.

Mursenary
01-18-21, 01:33
Don't leave out the ugly Americans, "some we can assume, are good people".Can't forget the Chinese either. As the Chinese middle class grows, they are quickly becoming known to travel in large packs while on holiday and be absurdly unaware of how their noisiness disturbs the ambiance. I remember being in serene locales in Vietnam and Portugal only to have the majesty of the natural surroundings ruined by busloads of Chinese tourists invading like locust. Ugh, they're the worst.

Even the Vietnamese government had to ban Chinese tourists at one point, citing "uncivilized" behavior. When a third world country calls a nation's people uncivilized, there's a problem.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ampe.vnexpress.net/news/travel-life/vietnam-sees-host-of-problems-as-it-hosts-chinese-tourists-3754368.html

Mursenary
01-18-21, 02:51
I randomly struck up a conversation in Artemis with a guy from Malm. Later in the evening we bumped into his friend's son in the club who was also from Malm! I do try to tell people I meet and get along with about ISG, we all use aliases here though so wouldn't know if any joined.Due to flight patterns through Berlin, I think you do see more Swedes at Artemis. I've only met 3 in the Frankfurt-NRW clubs. Only one of them was an ethnic Swede though. All seemed to be very pleasant guys. Oddly enough, against the popular stereotype, the ethnic Swede was the most social and we've even tried to coordinate FKK meet ups since then. Perhaps it's because he said that he wasn't so fond of German and Turkish-German cultural attitudes, finding preference toward the Brits and Americans.

Ararat
01-18-21, 08:47
I randomly struck up a conversation in Artemis with a guy from Malm. Later in the evening we bumped into his friend's son in the club who was also from Malm! I do try to tell people I meet and get along with about ISG, we all use aliases here though so wouldn't know if any joined.I once saw my neighbour at a club. That was interesting.

I'm sure plenty of Swedes go to clubs but it would mostly be alone unlike the groups you sometimes hear from other countries. I rarely hear Swedish spoken in the clubs and when I hear it it's typically young middle eastern guys.

Kuni042
01-18-21, 09:28
With the new corona-variant, they won't open prostitution unless the covid-incidence rate sinks below 25 - I am still optimistic we get to this by May 1st- but imo not before.

BigBuddy69
01-18-21, 11:20
This is how the ignore function works.

So I don't have to read shooTroll's constant flow of stupidities coming from his crooked brain, only some glimpses when someone quotes him.

And I advised everyone to do the same because it's basically a waste of time to try to talk some sense into someone like him.

ExpatLover
01-18-21, 13:06
With the new corona-variant, they won't open prostitution unless the covid-incidence rate sinks below 25 - I am still optimistic we get to this by May 1st- but imo not before.1st May of which year?

Adindas
01-18-21, 16:19
Due to flight patterns through Berlin, I think you do see more Swedes at Artemis. I've only met 3 in the Frankfurt-NRW clubs. Only one of them was an ethnic Swede though. All seemed to be very pleasant guys. Oddly enough, against the popular stereotype, the ethnic Swede was the most social and we've even tried to coordinate FKK meet ups since then. Perhaps it's because he said that he wasn't so fond of German and Turkish-German cultural attitudes, finding preference toward the Brits and Americans.

I have met more than ten people from Sweden in FKKs and GBs party. I am not quite sure whether they are swedish ethnic though.

Adindas
01-18-21, 16:26
There is no way I could know whether these girls will hand the money partly or fully to her Boyfriends or someone else. After I hand in the money it is no longer my money, it is already their money. And like us they could do whatever they want with their own money.

ShooBree
01-18-21, 19:24
This is how the ignore function works.

So I don't have to read shooTroll's constant flow of stupidities coming from his crooked brain, only some glimpses when someone quotes him.

And I advised everyone to do the same because it's basically a waste of time to try to talk some sense into someone like him.Haha, the bigtroll is crying.

HammerTime96
01-18-21, 20:17
Good luck with that highly experimental and more or less untested "vaccine" guys!

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2021/january/10/a-nursing-home-had-zero-coronavirus-deaths-then-it-vaccinates-residents-for-coronavirus-and-the-deaths-begin/

https://www.rt.com/usa/512830-griner-mother-pfizer-vaccine-video/

https://www.rt.com/usa/512825-moderna-california-vaccine-adverse-reactions/

I'm in my lower 50's and I'll take my chances with a flu that has a 0. 05% death rate for people under 70. (page 7) https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf.

P.S. I'm not an anti-vaxxer To the contrary, as a child I've been normally inoculated for the usual things like polio and the measles, but only with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested. This mRNA "Covid19 vaccine" has simply never been tested thoroughly tested, because normal testing for a vaccine takes 5-10 years and not 7-8 months.

With the "English mutation," they (WEF, Global Elites) will keep this lockdown game going until all businesses are small and medium bankrupt, and world communism with state controlled banks and multinational corporations will take over. Remember folks, a 0,05% death rate for people under 70!

Protect the old and the vulnerable, and release the rest of the population from this Covid Prison!

McAdonis
01-18-21, 20:27
I've only met 3 in the Frankfurt-NRW clubs. Only one of them was an ethnic Swede though. All seemed to be very pleasant guys. Oddly enough, against the popular stereotype, the ethnic Swede was the most social and we've even tried to coordinate FKK meet ups since then. Perhaps it's because he said that he wasn't so fond of German and Turkish-German cultural attitudes, finding preference toward the Brits and Americans.Stereotypes are just generalizations. Individuals can often vary from the stereotype. In this video where random Swedes are approached in the street, the first 32 seconds address two instances when Swedes become "totally different people" and are actually friendlier: (1) when they are abroad and (2) when they have had a drink. When her friend talks about how Swedes open up after having a drink, the mixed black girl (does not look Eritrean or Somalian) bursts out laughing. Presumably because it conjured up many funny memories of drunken Swedish friends that became embarrassingly jovial: https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg.

Wiki says that: "As of 2017, the percentage inhabitants with a foreign background in Sweden had risen to 24.1% I suspect Gen Z Swedish, who grow up in a more multicultural context, socializing differently than older Swedes. Median age in Sweden is 41 yo, and I would imagine that most Swedish mongers in FKKs would be slightly older. These people would have come of age in the more homogenous 1970's and 1980's.

The 24 percent figure seems high. I assume they are including people who have at least one foreign parent. Such as the famous footballer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who was born in Sweden. Both his parents immigrated from Yugoslavia in the late 1970's. Nevertheless, immigration has increased over time: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/immigration-statistics.

Mursenary
01-18-21, 20:58
Stereotypes are just generalizations. Individuals can often vary from the stereotype. In this video where random Swedes are approached in the street, the first 32 seconds address two instances when Swedes become "totally different people" and are actually friendlier: (1) when they are abroad and (2) when they have had a drink. When her friend talks about how Swedes open up after having a drink, the mixed black girl (does not look Eritrean or Somalian) bursts out laughing. Presumably because it conjured up many funny memories of drunken Swedish friends that became embarrassingly jovial: https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg.

Wiki says that: "As of 2017, the percentage inhabitants with a foreign background in Sweden had risen to 24.1% I suspect Gen Z Swedish, who grow up in a more multicultural context, socializing differently than older Swedes. Median age in Sweden is 41 yo, and I would imagine that most Swedish mongers in FKKs would be slightly older. These people would have come of age in the more homogenous 1970's and 1980's.

The 24 percent figure seems high. I assume they are including people who have at least one foreign parent. Such as the famous footballer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who was born in Sweden. Both his parents immigrated from Yugoslavia in the late 1970's. Nevertheless, immigration has increased over time: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/immigration-statistics.Was just pointing out something unexpected and a small data set. Not a criticism.

Mursenary
01-18-21, 21:04
Good luck with that highly experimental and more or less untested "vaccine" guys!

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2021/january/10/a-nursing-home-had-zero-coronavirus-deaths-then-it-vaccinates-residents-for-coronavirus-and-the-deaths-begin/

https://www.rt.com/usa/512830-griner-mother-pfizer-vaccine-video/

https://www.rt.com/usa/512825-moderna-california-vaccine-adverse-reactions/

I'm in my lower 50's and I'll take my chances with a flu that has a 0. 05% death rate for people under 70. (page 7) https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf.

P.S. I'm not an anti-vaxxer To the contrary, as a child I've been normally inoculated for the usual things like polio and the measles, but only with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested. This mRNA "Covid19 vaccine" has simply never been tested thoroughly tested, because normal testing for a vaccine takes 5-10 years and not 7-8 months.I'm not sure what thoroughly tested means to you. What could they have done differently?

Mursenary
01-18-21, 21:05
Haha, the bigtroll is crying.At least he knows how the ignore feature works. Bukkake!

ExpatLover
01-18-21, 21:11
I agree. Supply has met demand for high-end escorts in the USA, and there ain't much that can be done about it.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/273955

There are much better prices for lower-end ladies in the U. S, but seeing them often entails accepting that they use drugs, are physically unattractive, often mentally unbalanced, and come from a market source that involves a significant chance of encountering law enforcement.

A solution would be for increased immigration of ladies predisposed to do commercial sex work, but that ain't going to happen in the USA A major effort occurred about a decade ago by USA Immigration and Border Patrol to keep Canadian escorts from touring the northeast. It was unfortunately quite successful, and many Canadian escorts were forced to accept a ten year ban from entering the USA After being confronted with Internet information regarding their planned tours after having the contents of their bags searched and inventoried. They still speak bitterly about it on the Canadian discussion boards, with good reason. So there is zero percent chance the USA Will ever let in the multitudes of ladies from Eastern Europe, South America, and Mexico / Central America that are significantly responsible for the low prices in developed countries like Germany, Spain and Portugal. The local Spanish and Portuguese providers simply price match the immigrants, so their pricing effect is definitely there, even if difficult to quantify. The number of hot Venezuelans currently advertising and being reviewed on the Spanish review boards is amazing.But Biden will open again the boarders the 20 so the offer will increase.

Ararat
01-18-21, 21:23
I don't really see such a difference in younger ethnic Swedes compared to yesteryear. Differences are mostly related to relations between the sexes and some political topics but not on the topic we're discussing here. He can say what he wants but someone on this forum stereotypes heavily as middle eastern, probably Assyrian or maybe Iranian. If he really is ethnic Swedish he knows that this is what his behaviour is like. The way he acts isn't how Swedes would behave even on internet forums such as Flashback (any Swede would know that one). Mr Assyria would be banned quickly on a forum that allows discussion on various topics such as the Jewish conspiracy to control the world, revisionism, using hard drugs etc.

Regarding migrant background it helps to understand that probably a majority of them would be white by all US definitions of the term. One can extrapolate trends if one wants and see that immigration these days mostly comes from outside Europe but historically this hasn't been the case. Up to about 2000 most of them were Europeans. Even after 2000 plenty of people have arrived from Eastern Europe, former Yugoslavia etc.


Stereotypes are just generalizations. Individuals can often vary from the stereotype. In this video where random Swedes are approached in the street, the first 32 seconds address two instances when Swedes become "totally different people" and are actually friendlier: (1) when they are abroad and (2) when they have had a drink. When her friend talks about how Swedes open up after having a drink, the mixed black girl (does not look Eritrean or Somalian) bursts out laughing. Presumably because it conjured up many funny memories of drunken Swedish friends that became embarrassingly jovial: https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg.

Wiki says that: "As of 2017, the percentage inhabitants with a foreign background in Sweden had risen to 24.1% I suspect Gen Z Swedish, who grow up in a more multicultural context, socializing differently than older Swedes. Median age in Sweden is 41 yo, and I would imagine that most Swedish mongers in FKKs would be slightly older. These people would have come of age in the more homogenous 1970's and 1980's.

The 24 percent figure seems high. I assume they are including people who have at least one foreign parent. Such as the famous footballer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who was born in Sweden. Both his parents immigrated from Yugoslavia in the late 1970's. Nevertheless, immigration has increased over time: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/immigration-statistics.

Sirioja
01-18-21, 23:00
With the new corona-variant, they won't open prostitution unless the covid-incidence rate sinks below 25 - I am still optimistic we get to this by May 1st- but imo not before.Germany is a bit in trouble now with virus. Wish Switzerland, land of money, will reopen earlier, when few clubs are still open there, until 7 pm. Ski is also open in Switzerland, Austria and Spain should also open soon. Wish for France, to give employment, and for pleasure and adrenaline I miss. I think great puff on this Wnter, just have to go through avalanches. Kitzbuhel Streiff on next week end and after Cortina Tofane World championships, as soon open, I will make a scratch on French motorway to taste puff, to fly in powder.

Mr Ho
01-19-21, 07:14
But Biden will open again the boarders the 20 so the offer will increase.Hunter Biden could have gone to FKK or with his taste to Thailand or Philippines to hunt prostitutes, then those photos would have never surfaced, instead he mongered back home and in China LOL!

Downandup
01-19-21, 08:58
P.S. I'm not an anti-vaxxer To the contrary, as a child I've been normally inoculated for the usual things like polio and the measles, but only with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested. This mRNA "Covid19 vaccine" has simply never been tested thoroughly tested, because normal testing for a vaccine takes 5-10 years and not 7-8 months.Obviously someone has not been paying attention, there are good reasons why these vaccines are being distributed in 10 months instead of 10 years. No time has been wasted in getting these vaccines tested and approved TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS as other vaccines. Other vaccines could be tested at the same speed if the money was there, the staff, the resources, the regulators, the approvals were all ready to go after each step of the process, and don't forget how many people stepped up to volunteer in great numbers, nobody ever responds so willingly when other vaccines require testing.

HammerTime96
01-19-21, 09:27
I'm not sure what thoroughly tested means to you. What could they have done differently?How are you going to test for long term effects in 7-8 months?

This is the very reason why vaccines usually take about 10 years to develop, before they are released upon the unsuspecting public! (I thought that this would have been obvious to you, being "medical expert?

BigBuddy69
01-19-21, 09:55
At least he knows how the ignore feature works. Bukkake!Shit. By quoting him you forced me to read his rants.

The ignore function works perfectly, I wanted to show a screen capture but it looks like it doesn't work for non paying members.

Sirioja
01-19-21, 10:09
Obviously someone has not been paying attention, there are good reasons why these vaccines are being distributed in 10 months instead of 10 years. No time has been wasted in getting these vaccines tested and approved TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS as other vaccines. Other vaccines could be tested at the same speed if the money was there, the staff, the resources, the regulators, the approvals were all ready to go after each step of the process, and don't forget how many people stepped up to volunteer in great numbers, nobody ever responds so willingly when other vaccines require testing.But we don't get enough vaccine for Western Europe, so it will take longer time to vaccine old and weak, and before being able to vaccine many others, old, weak and medical will need again vaccine for next Autumn / Winter. And we don t know yet about South African and Brazilian, when UK is spreading like a fast rabbit. And we experience now after Christmas and new year, like was Thanksgiving.

TeaInTheSun
01-19-21, 12:21
I came back here after several months because I thought we would have a certain normality around October, but through the news I found another reality. This pandemic will take more time. I always thought that the vaccine could begin to solve the pandemic but now we can see that no matter how many millions of vaccines we have, it will not be easy to reach 70% of vaccinated people in the world. I think we will spend all 2021 vaccinating ourselves.

What I miss the most about traveling is freedom. That wonderful chance to be in a place other than yours with the absolute certainty that everything will be fine every single day later.

After visiting I think 6 years several FKK I always knew that it would be just a chapter (with lots of fun). I will come back one day, without any hurry, when everything is normal, as before the pandemic. I see it difficult for that to happen this summer. See you one day Oase even knowing that many pretty faces will never be there again. I hope you are there Adina or Miss V. See you FKK in several months.

Ararat
01-19-21, 12:28
Vaccination seems to go slower than promised although from my point of view that was entirely expected. For the EU I still wonder about the projected surge in number of vaccinated in Q2. There's some massive guesses involved there.

I hope enought people do get their vaccines. The anti-vaxxers are everywhere and very loud but I really hope they're a small minority. Especially since their stories about Bill Gates, The Great Reset etc are batshit crazy.

ExpatLover
01-19-21, 12:51
Vaccination seems to go slower than promised although from my point of view that was entirely expected. For the EU I still wonder about the projected surge in number of vaccinated in Q2. There's some massive guesses involved there.

I hope enought people do get their vaccines. The anti-vaxxers are everywhere and very loud but I really hope they're a small minority. Especially since their stories about Bill Gates, The Great Reset etc are batshit crazy.What always wonders me is that so few people are questioning the efficiency of the vaccine against he covid and specially the different variants. How many people we all who get the flue vaccine and were already sick, why should it be different with this vaccine? If 10 months back I had tod that the situation will the one we are facing today so many will think I am pessimistic, negative but the reality is that may be in 1 year the situation will be worse than today. The vaccine will probably not be a game changer.