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ShooBree
01-19-21, 14:04
I don't really see such a difference in younger ethnic Swedes compared to yesteryear. Differences are mostly related to relations between the sexes and some political topics but not on the topic we're discussing here. He can say what he wants but someone on this forum stereotypes heavily as middle eastern, probably Assyrian or maybe Iranian. If he really is ethnic Swedish he knows that this is what his behaviour is like. The way he acts isn't how Swedes would behave even on internet forums such as Flashback (any Swede would know that one). Mr Assyria would be banned quickly on a forum that allows discussion on various topics such as the Jewish conspiracy to control the world, revisionism, using hard drugs etc.

Regarding migrant background it helps to understand that probably a majority of them would be white by all US definitions of the term. One can extrapolate trends if one wants and see that immigration these days mostly comes from outside Europe but historically this hasn't been the case. Up to about 2000 most of them were Europeans. Even after 2000 plenty of people have arrived from Eastern Europe, former Yugoslavia etc.Yikes, you don't have a single post where you don't mention anything about immigrant. The I in ISG doesn't stand for immigrant. It's clear to me that you don't know any Swedes under the age of 50.

I bet you're a member of NMR.

It's funny how I'm being labeled a "white supremacist" by some and a "immigrant" by you. You're all ignorant.

Can you post one, one, single post about fucking?

ShooBree
01-19-21, 14:07
At least he knows how the ignore feature works. Bukkake!Whatever you say tiny dick.

ShooBree
01-19-21, 16:51
I don't really see such a difference in younger ethnic Swedes compared to yesteryear. Differences are mostly related to relations between the sexes and some political topics but not on the topic we're discussing here. He can say what he wants but someone on this forum stereotypes heavily as middle eastern, probably Assyrian or maybe Iranian. If he really is ethnic Swedish he knows that this is what his behaviour is like. The way he acts isn't how Swedes would behave even on internet forums such as Flashback (any Swede would know that one). Mr Assyria would be banned quickly on a forum that allows discussion on various topics such as the Jewish conspiracy to control the world, revisionism, using hard drugs etc.

Regarding migrant background it helps to understand that probably a majority of them would be white by all US definitions of the term. One can extrapolate trends if one wants and see that immigration these days mostly comes from outside Europe but historically this hasn't been the case. Up to about 2000 most of them were Europeans. Even after 2000 plenty of people have arrived from Eastern Europe, former Yugoslavia etc.You've spent too much time on Flashback and too little in the real world. If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.

You honestly seem to be a member of the NMR. You're obsessing over immigrants post after post. It's ridiculous to see. I'm a ethnic Swede, deal with it!

Mursenary
01-19-21, 17:38
Whatever you say tiny dick.Devolution and racism. Excellent.

Mursenary
01-19-21, 17:49
How are you going to test for long term effects in 7-8 months?

This is the very reason why vaccines usually take about 10 years to develop, before they are released upon the unsuspecting public! (I thought that this would have been obvious to you, being "medical expert?Are you sure that is the reason why vaccines usually take up to 10 years to go from bench to market? (It's not).

HammerTime96
01-19-21, 18:05
What always wonders me is that so few people are questioning the efficiency of the vaccine against he covid and specially the different variants. How many people we all who get the flue vaccine and were already sick, why should it be different with this vaccine? If 10 months back I had tod that the situation will the one we are facing today so many will think I am pessimistic, negative but the reality is that may be in 1 year the situation will be worse than today. The vaccine will probably not be a game changer.Agreed, especially with your last sentence. The Left will need a permanent "crisis" to justify their endless social engineering programs, endless money printing, increasing police state lockdown measures, and increasing wealth confiscation to pay for it all.

By the time all the morons who believe the propaganda have been vaxxed with an untested "vaccine," the virus will have mutated, requiring another round of lockdowns that destroy the economy, and requiring another round of vaxxing with unknown substances.

As Einstein said: "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."

Any fool here still thinks that this is good? Good luck paying for and planning your next FKK trip to Germany, because I'm afraid that the fall of 2021 will be a repeat of 2020 with most clubs being closed and girls at home with their babushka in Romania.

Ararat
01-19-21, 19:01
It seems like I hit a nerve here.

Bror, it looks like you think it's the ultimate insult that I tell you that your behaviour is stereotypical bad MENA. Quite funny considering you are so quick to insult others.

Maybe you should calm down then if you don't like that characterisation.

Btw,
out there in the real world there are no Swedes that support Donald Trump. Speak up IRL too. Don't be such a coward. I'm sure the way you argue here will make you popular. Like I said, no sane Swede behaves the way you do.


You've spent too much time on Flashback and too little in the real world. If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.

You honestly seem to be a member of the NMR. You're obsessing over immigrants post after post. It's ridiculous to see. I'm a ethnic Swede, deal with it!

ShooBree
01-19-21, 19:40
It seems like I hit a nerve here.

Bror, it looks like you think it's the ultimate insult that I tell you that your behaviour is stereotypical bad MENA. Quite funny considering you are so quick to insult others.

Maybe you should calm down then if you don't like that characterisation.

Btw,
out there in the real world there are no Swedes that support Donald Trump. Speak up IRL too. Don't be such a coward. I'm sure the way you argue here will make you popular. Like I said, no sane Swede behaves the way you do.As I wrote earlier, take a look in the mirror. You're a hypocrite and a liar.

You only make yourself look like a weirdo obsessing over immigrants post after post.

You're aware that no real Swede talks the way you're doing? You come across as batshit crazy. I'm not sure if you really are as stupid as you seem on here or if you're simply a dishonest piece of shit.

We all know who the real coward is, you're hiding in your basement while you wouldn't dare to say a word to anyone IRL.

There are many Trump supporters in Sweden, why would you state such a obvious lie?

McAdonis
01-19-21, 19:45
I don't really see such a difference in younger ethnic Swedes compared to yesteryear. Differences are mostly related to relations between the sexes and some political topics but not on the topic we're discussing here.Care to elaborate on the differences?


He can say what he wants but someone on this forum stereotypes heavily as middle eastern, probably Assyrian or maybe Iranian. If he really is ethnic Swedish he knows that this is what his behaviour is like. The way he acts isn't how Swedes would behave even on internet forums such as Flashback (any Swede would know that one). Mr Assyria would be banned quickly on a forum that allows discussion on various topics such as the Jewish conspiracy to control the world, revisionism, using hard drugs etc.
Iranians in Sweden are Trumpists?


Regarding migrant background it helps to understand that probably a majority of them would be white by all US definitions of the term. One can extrapolate trends if one wants and see that immigration these days mostly comes from outside Europe but historically this hasn't been the case. Up to about 2000 most of them were Europeans. Even after 2000 plenty of people have arrived from Eastern Europe, former Yugoslavia etc.Skarsgard and Zlatan both seem to have different ways of carrying themselves. They are both white by US definitions, over 40 yo, born and raised in Sweden. Could be down to the individual, but perhaps partly cultural. Skarsgard speaks about "Jantelagen" and how it shapes Swedes, including himself. Zlatan does not seem to adhere to Jantelagen. Skarsgard: https://youtu.be/fzIa_FNNkWo, Zlatan: https://youtu.be/Q1TXk7ZdiQE.


Swedes on the other hand remain relatively unnoticed when they reach something extraordinary. They are less prone to bragging. This is because they follow a common rule called the Jantelagen, literally translated: law of Jante. Basically it says that "You are not better than anyone else".

https://hejsweden.com/en/jantelagen-law-of-jante-how-to-be-swedish.

Mursenary
01-19-21, 20:15
How are you going to test for long term effects in 7-8 months?

This is the very reason why vaccines usually take about 10 years to develop, before they are released upon the unsuspecting public! (I thought that this would have been obvious to you, being "medical expert?

Obviously someone has not been paying attention, there are good reasons why these vaccines are being distributed in 10 months instead of 10 years. No time has been wasted in getting these vaccines tested and approved TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS as other vaccines. Other vaccines could be tested at the same speed if the money was there, the staff, the resources, the regulators, the approvals were all ready to go after each step of the process, and don't forget how many people stepped up to volunteer in great numbers, nobody ever responds so willingly when other vaccines require testing.Looks like I don't really have much to add as this poster pretty much sums it up. Funding, recruiting volunteers, wait times, etc were usual obstacles that were bypassed due to necessity.

Same research rigor, less bureaucracy, it's amazing what educated humans can do when we dedicate ourselves to the work at hand.

I guess the first step to any fruitful discussion is for both parties to actually recognize that the coronavirus pandemic is actually a medical threat. My suggestion is to start with reckoning the absurd number of hospitals operating at over 100% normal capacity with one's beliefs that this thing is not a worthy threat. Calling it a flu as per politician speak probably doesn't help.

I sure have never had to factor microembolisms, liver failure, and myocardial damage as much with the flu. Here's a pretty simplified but accurate summary of how SARS-COV2 affects the body and why it's lower cytopathogenicity (tendency to actually outright kill host cells) is actually one of it's greatest advantages. But then again, if one still calls it the flu in January 2021, that same person probably has no interest in actually educating oneself without partisan goals.

https://www.ucsf.edu/magazine/covid-body

Mursenary
01-19-21, 20:43
What always wonders me is that so few people are questioning the efficiency of the vaccine against he covid and specially the different variants. How many people we all who get the flue vaccine and were already sick, why should it be different with this vaccine? If 10 months back I had tod that the situation will the one we are facing today so many will think I am pessimistic, negative but the reality is that may be in 1 year the situation will be worse than today. The vaccine will probably not be a game changer.Probably because it's been tested on over 100,000 people and reports consistently show efficacy similar to measles and mumps vaccines rather than the flu vaccine.

The example of the flu vaccine is a real straw man argument that purposefully ignores the efficacy of the plethora of other vaccines such as Hepatitis, Measles, Mumps, Varicella, smallpox, polio, etc.

If the pandemic is worse 6 months from now than it is today, it is because people have not taken the vaccine. And a major reason, besides government incompetence, would be because people are not properly and impartially educating themselves and then disseminating false information to others.

The above post is a clear example of not incorporating new information despite numerous previous efforts to educate said poster.

Mursenary
01-19-21, 21:00
How many people we all who get the flue vaccine and were already sick, why should it be different with this vaccine?

The vaccine will probably not be a game changer.You keep repeating the same points despite numerous attempts at educating and correcting you on the topic. Let's see how much effect this attempt has in the future.

"SARS-CoV-2 has a proofreading mechanism, which results in a low mutation rate compared to influenza".

"Furthermore, the SARS-CoV-2 low mutation rate suggests that a vaccine, as well as the immunity developed in recovered patients, could provide long-lasting protection compared to vaccines against influenza, which are rendered obsolete as the virus mutates."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/

Ararat
01-19-21, 22:01
Care to elaborate on the differences?These days they will take care to not see any differences between the sexes. Educated younger people are also very enviromentally conscious.


Iranians in Sweden are Trumpists?If he really is Swede then he's a Sweden Democrat because that's where the only ones who support Trump congregate. I think it's a bit funny that someone like that behaves the way the immigrants these people strongly dislike behave(I mean those immigrants from that background that behave differently).


Skarsgard and Zlatan both seem to have different ways of carrying themselves. They are both white by US definitions, over 40 yo, born and raised in Sweden. Could be down to the individual, but perhaps partly cultural. Skarsgard speaks about "Jantelagen" and how it shapes Swedes, including himself. Zlatan does not seem to adhere to Jantelagen. Skarsgard: https://youtu.be/fzIa_FNNkWo, Zlatan: https://youtu.be/Q1TXk7ZdiQE.This is mostly correct. Zlatan is an extreme example but IMO ethnic Swedes behave much more like SkarsgRoad in this example whereas MENA and Yugoslav immigrants don't. Note that this is no judgement call.

Now consider someone who is very brash, easily angered etc. Do you think he's ethnic Swede or immigrant from somewhere south of the Alps? Absolutely stereotyping but if you had to make a guess.

Ararat
01-19-21, 22:05
As I wrote earlier, take a look in the mirror. You're a hypocrite and a liar.

You only make yourself look like a weirdo obsessing over immigrants post after post.

You're aware that no real Swede talks the way you're doing? You come across as batshit crazy. I'm not sure if you really are as stupid as you seem on here or if you're simply a dishonest piece of shit.

We all know who the real coward is, you're hiding in your basement while you wouldn't dare to say a word to anyone IRL.

There are many Trump supporters in Sweden, why would you state such a obvious lie?Bror,

Your anger just proves my point.

ShooBree
01-19-21, 22:25
Bror,

Your anger just proves my point.Horunge, your comments only proves that you haven't taken your meds today.

Mursenary
01-19-21, 22:31
You've spent too much time on Flashback and too little in the real world. If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.Oh goodness. Seeing all of his inflammatory insults in one place juxtaposed to the outright denial makes him seem quite, well, pathological.

Totally "simply not true. "


Whatever you say tiny dick.
Funny that you, the poster boy of the Dunning-Kruger effect, is commenting on others considering that you seem to be a troll with a inferiority complex.
You're lack of intelligence is showing. Apparently you're unable to connect the dots.
Haha, the bigtroll is crying.
Haha, you're a pathetic hater.

You're a liar, just admit it.

You're a simpleminded weirdo. A disgusting, lying libtard with hate in your heart.

I find you to be boring, for you it's all about personal attacks and never a word about real political issues. Probably because you actually don't know anything about politics.
Haha, pathetic! But what to expect from a libtard like you.

You can't, because you're a liar.
If you want to see "an unAmerican, opportunistic little weasel", I suggest that you take a look in the mirror.
Omfg, you don't actually believe that do you? Are you really that stupid?

Anyways, Zuckerberg lied. He's just another nerdy libtard with no respect for free speech.

Being called "traitor" by a deranged libtard like you is a compliment.

And you're undoubtedly one of the dumbest persons on this forum.

Mursenary
01-19-21, 22:43
Now consider someone who is very brash, easily angered etc. Do you think he's ethnic Swede or immigrant from somewhere south of the Alps? Absolutely stereotyping but if you had to make a guess.If having to choose, statistically the latter. That's a comment on social class rather than strict ethnic origin as I think he is an exception to your theory.

May I offer a second theory. The Ephialtes theory, the deformed Spartan, after being spurned by his compatriots for for being useless in battle, becomes a vindictive hunchback.

ShooBree
01-19-21, 23:14
These days they will take care to not see any differences between the sexes. Educated younger people are also very enviromentally conscious.

If he really is Swede then he's a Sweden Democrat because that's where the only ones who support Trump congregate. I think it's a bit funny that someone like that behaves the way the immigrants these people strongly dislike behave(I mean those immigrants from that background that behave differently).

This is mostly correct. Zlatan is an extreme example but IMO ethnic Swedes behave much more like SkarsgRoad in this example whereas MENA and Yugoslav immigrants don't. Note that this is no judgement call.

Now consider someone who is very brash, easily angered etc. Do you think he's ethnic Swede or immigrant from somewhere south of the Alps? Absolutely stereotyping but if you had to make a guess.Of course I vote for SD, the other parties destroyed Sweden in so many ways.

In how many posts have you now mentioned and stereotyped immigrants? It's most certainly not a normal behavior for any "real" Swedes. Neither is it a normal on website like a ISG which supposedly would be about having sex with (beautiful) women. Anyways, so to apply your flawed "logic", you couldn't possibly be a "real" Swede.

Actually, I've never seen anyone use the term "real Swede" except for trolls on Flashback and AfS politicians.

Let's be honest, do you even know any immigrants? You seem to be out of touch with reality, if I had to guess I would say that you're making assumptions based on what you've read on Flashback and now you repeat that BS on here. You don't know Sweden and you surely don't know immigrants. They are not all the same. You also seem to have missed the fact that people with a migration background are also voting for SD.

Pistons
01-19-21, 23:23
These days they will take care to not see any differences between the sexes. Educated younger people are also very enviromentally conscious.

If he really is Swede then he's a Sweden Democrat because that's where the only ones who support Trump congregate. I think it's a bit funny that someone like that behaves the way the immigrants these people strongly dislike behave(I mean those immigrants from that background that behave differently).

This is mostly correct. Zlatan is an extreme example but IMO ethnic Swedes behave much more like SkarsgRoad in this example whereas MENA and Yugoslav immigrants don't. Note that this is no judgement call.

Now consider someone who is very brash, easily angered etc. Do you think he's ethnic Swede or immigrant from somewhere south of the Alps? Absolutely stereotyping but if you had to make a guess.In sports the jantelov seems to be quite negative if you ask me. I totally hate it. It makes people introvert. Then again, my city is probably the least adherent to that law in Scandinavia. Malmö is close second. But by other Scandinavians we are considered a bit rude and brash.

Pistons
01-19-21, 23:28
1st May of which year?2025. (Need 10 characters to post).

Pistons
01-19-21, 23:38
Agreed, especially with your last sentence. The Left will need a permanent "crisis" to justify their endless social engineering programs, endless money printing, increasing police state lockdown measures, and increasing wealth confiscation to pay for it all.

By the time all the morons who believe the propaganda have been vaxxed with an untested "vaccine," the virus will have mutated, requiring another round of lockdowns that destroy the economy, and requiring another round of vaxxing with unknown substances.

As Einstein said: "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."

Any fool here still thinks that this is good? Good luck paying for and planning your next FKK trip to Germany, because I'm afraid that the fall of 2021 will be a repeat of 2020 with most clubs being closed and girls at home with their babushka in Romania.Well, I kinda agree. Except for one extremely important point you were trying to make there:

It is definitely the right wing politicians and voters who gain the most from, and are behind the money printing extravaganza. But the systemic failure of not spending money, and just hiding it somewhere in order to be frozen. By the right wingers, does force through left wing policies.

Problem is just that the right wing voters are brainless. Well 99%. (And the same can be said about 99% of left wingers). So I don't expect much. Neither from an internet forum.

The capitalistic systems math just doesn't add up. It is impossible. A totally new system must be adopted in order to end the systemic corruption practices.

Mursenary
01-20-21, 00:58
I came back here after several months because I thought we would have a certain normality around October, but through the news I found another reality. This pandemic will take more time. I always thought that the vaccine could begin to solve the pandemic but now we can see that no matter how many millions of vaccines we have, it will not be easy to reach 70% of vaccinated people in the world. I think we will spend all 2021 vaccinating ourselves.

What I miss the most about traveling is freedom. That wonderful chance to be in a place other than yours with the absolute certainty that everything will be fine every single day later.Don't fret too much. There are growing pains in vaccine distribution for sure. But remember, much of this low rate is due to vaccination being restricted to small segments of the population: healthcare providers and elderly. At least that's how it is in the States. Once the vaccine is released to the general public here, people will be able to go to local pharmacies, health departments, clinics, make-shift tent vaccination centers. In the US, we've vaccinated 4-5% of the population in one month growing from 500 K per day to 800 k Per day. The goal is to vaccinate 1 million per day. That's about 10% per month. Combined with the number of people who already have had the virus, we can easily, realistically reach the 70% for people capable of mounting a quick immune response (positive antibodies) by late spring.

It may take policy a few more months to catch up but the wheels are actually set in motion. Also, once the supply becomes available, the Europeans might be more efficient at delivering the vaccines. Our decentralized system in the US is proving to be a challenge despite the fact that we've been allotted more per capita than most other nations. The UK, despite the criticism, is doing a bit better.

My prediction is that even if herd immunity (70%) is not reached by summer, there will be an appreciable enough decline in cases and mortality that governments will rush a bit and lift the restrictions. Whether that entails Americans and East Asians being allowed to visit Europe, I'm not certain. But I'm willing to wager that intra-European travel restrictions will be lifted and tourism to southern Europe will be substantial in summer 2021.

ShooBree
01-20-21, 06:28
Oh goodness. Seeing all of his inflammatory insults in one place juxtaposed to the outright denial makes him seem quite, well, pathological.

Totally "simply not true. "I wonder why you omitted to quote the posts I responded to. Maybe because you're a lying piece of shit who prefers to take my words out of context.

Unlike you I'm not a liar nor a dishonest person.

BigBuddy69
01-20-21, 06:55
May I offer a second theory. The Ephialtes theory, the deformed Spartan, after being spurned by his compatriots for for being useless in battle, becomes a vindictive hunchback.The size reminds me of someone.

Is he some kind of pillar hugger?

Ararat
01-20-21, 07:07
Of course I vote for SD, the other parties destroyed Sweden in so many ways.

In how many posts have you now mentioned and stereotyped immigrants? It's most certainly not a normal behavior for any "real" Swedes. Neither is it a normal on website like a ISG which supposedly would be about having sex with (beautiful) women. Anyways, so to apply your flawed "logic", you couldn't possibly be a "real" Swede.

Actually, I've never seen anyone use the term "real Swede" except for trolls on Flashback and AfS politicians.

Let's be honest, do you even know any immigrants? You seem to be out of touch with reality, if I had to guess I would say that you're making assumptions based on what you've read on Flashback and now you repeat that BS on here. You don't know Sweden and you surely don't know immigrants. They are not all the same. You also seem to have missed the fact that people with a migration background are also voting for SD.Bror,

You seem really angry.

Don't you find it ironic that you behave just like how you think MENA immigrants do? I guess you have your head so far up your own ass you've never ever considered what others see.

Ararat
01-20-21, 07:21
In sports the jantelov seems to be quite negative if you ask me. I totally hate it. It makes people introvert. Then again, my city is probably the least adherent to that law in Scandinavia. Malm is close second. But by other Scandinavians we are considered a bit rude and brash.I'd say traditional Jante is less prevalent in the bigger cities in general. On the other hand, at least in Stockholm, there's a bit of pressure to conform to more progressive ideals I mentioned before. You could argue that this is Jante in a different form. Be just like everyone else.

ExpatLover
01-20-21, 07:22
I came back here after several months because I thought we would have a certain normality around October, but through the news I found another reality. This pandemic will take more time. I always thought that the vaccine could begin to solve the pandemic but now we can see that no matter how many millions of vaccines we have, it will not be easy to reach 70% of vaccinated people in the world. I think we will spend all 2021 vaccinating ourselves.

What I miss the most about traveling is freedom. That wonderful chance to be in a place other than yours with the absolute certainty that everything will be fine every single day later.

After visiting I think 6 years several FKK I always knew that it would be just a chapter (with lots of fun). I will come back one day, without any hurry, when everything is normal, as before the pandemic. I see it difficult for that to happen this summer. See you one day Oase even knowing that many pretty faces will never be there again. I hope you are there Adina or Miss V. See you FKK in several months.And if the vaccine is not the solution that is expected, first of all Pfister and Modena are not a vaccine but a genetic treatment (RNA) but if the authorities name it genetic treatment the people will be afraid so they name it vaccine. Let us assume the so called vaccine is efficient (which nothing is proving) how long will it be efficient, will it be efficient against the all the variant that are pop upping in the last months and more to come. Nearly 1 year latter the situation is getting worse and worse, may be it is just the beginning.

Sirioja
01-20-21, 10:14
400.000 covid US deaths according to new presidency and not finished, wish they don't lie to their citizens just on arrival, after 4 years of lies, racism and craziness. Today is a good day for the world except for those who waited for his money. Wish for so many millions of black, Latinas and illegals who make so big part of US, to get higher safety, when amazing to see still so powerful KKK in Oregon, from low level of education, lack of cleverness, ignorance about own history, dangerous shame, after already killing Indians. Wish he can never be back, he should better try to improve for golf, wait to see if women will talk about his abuses. World should improve for level today.

Just for me, I wish French ski lifts will open, covid can t compete in my free ride spots, most often only one free bird through forbidden lines when avalanches risks or crevaces, or when have to jump among rocks, Verbier Mont Gelé being my most difficult when can only jump on right foot, can t choose there, just have to accept or go down to Tortin rather than fall then die on Verbier side. Wish for employment and business for mountains great people, and also for enough vaccine for old, weak and medical who take risks to cure, for less deaths. Then I could enjoy to make my lines and to feel to fly, like a free bird.

ShooBree
01-20-21, 11:15
Bror,

You seem really angry.

Don't you find it ironic that you behave just like how you think MENA immigrants do? I guess you have your head so far up your own ass you've never ever considered what others see.Do you think I care about your opinions? You're a weirdo. Take a look in the mirror. Do you even have a single post on here about fucking women? It seems to me that you're self-projecting. No reasonable, sane person writes the way you do. Have you've forgotten to take your meds?

Also, are you a member of AfS or NMR?

Let's be honest, don't you think that most Swedes would consider you to be really weird? What's up with your obsession of immigrants? I'm rather mistaken for being a immigrant than a svennebanan. I'm proud over the fact that I, unlike so many svennebananer, don't take shit from anyone.

You've repeatedly expressed racist opinions and not a single report about fucking women.

Sirioja
01-20-21, 17:36
And if the vaccine is not the solution that is expected, first of all Pfister and Modena are not a vaccine but a genetic treatment (RNA) but if the authorities name it genetic treatment the people will be afraid so they name it vaccine. Let us assume the so called vaccine is efficient (which nothing is proving) how long will it be efficient, will it be efficient against the all the variant that are pop upping in the last months and more to come. Nearly 1 year latter the situation is getting worse and worse, may be it is just the beginning.Not enough vaccine at the moment in Western Europe and World health organization already told won t be enough vaccine on 2021 . Just wish old, weak and medical will be protected for less deaths, but others who party or go to brothels just have to manage on their own, or they can stay in their bed with FFP2 on face. Girls in this business don t care about covid and they can give to 10 guys per day.

Sirioja
01-20-21, 17:54
400.000 covid US deaths according to new presidency and not finished, wish they don't lie to their citizens just on arrival, after 4 years of lies, racism and craziness. Today is a good day for the world except for those who waited for his money. Wish for so many millions of black, Latinas and illegals who make so big part of US, to get higher safety, when amazing to see still so powerful KKK in Oregon, from low level of education, lack of cleverness, ignorance about own history, dangerous shame, after already killing Indians. Wish he can never be back, he should better try to improve for golf, wait to see if women will talk about his abuses. World should improve for level today.

Just for me, I wish French ski lifts will open, covid can t compete in my free ride spots, most often only one free bird through forbidden lines when avalanches risks or crevaces, or when have to jump among rocks, Verbier Mont Gel being my most difficult when can only jump on right foot, can t choose there, just have to accept or go down to Tortin rather than fall then die on Verbier side. Wish for employment and business for mountains great people, and also for enough vaccine for old, weak and medical who take risks to cure, for less deaths. Then I could enjoy to make my lines and to feel to fly, like a free bird.I forgot: also a good day for less pollution for our world, for children, and I m sure so beautiful real white bears, not uglies with no hair in brothels, are happy when more snow and colder on this Winter. Covid and no more crazy and abusing many women, Trump, may be good for beautiful bears. Unfortunately, can t do versus China which is other polluting killer with maybe more deaths than from covid, with so many children now with lungs or breathe or allergies problems.

Mursenary
01-20-21, 17:55
If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.On today's episode of not making inflammatory speech. Stay tuned folks, more to come.


You're a hypocrite and a liar.

You come across as batshit crazy.

I'm not sure if you really are as stupid as you seem on here or if you're simply a dishonest piece of shit.

We all know who the real coward is, you're hiding in your basement while you wouldn't dare to say a word to anyone IRL.
your comments only proves that you haven't taken your meds today.
Maybe because you're a lying piece of shit who prefers to take my words out of context.

Chongmal
01-20-21, 18:26
400.000 covid US deaths according to new presidency and not finished, wish they don't lie to their citizens just on arrival, after 4 years of lies, racism and craziness. Today is a good day for the world except for those who waited for his money. Wish for so many millions of black, Latinas and illegals who make so big part of US, to get higher safety, when amazing to see still so powerful KKK in Oregon, from low level of education, lack of cleverness, ignorance about own history, dangerous shame, after already killing Indians. Wish he can never be back, he should better try to improve for golf, wait to see if women will talk about his abuses. World should improve for level today.

Just for me, I wish French ski lifts will open, covid can t compete in my free ride spots, most often only one free bird through forbidden lines when avalanches risks or crevaces, or when have to jump among rocks, Verbier Mont Gel being my most difficult when can only jump on right foot, can t choose there, just have to accept or go down to Tortin rather than fall then die on Verbier side. Wish for employment and business for mountains great people, and also for enough vaccine for old, weak and medical who take risks to cure, for less deaths. Then I could enjoy to make my lines and to feel to fly, like a free bird.In the US has. 11% of the population have died of COVID-19 and in France. 105% of the population have died from COVID-19. Wow, that is a staggering difference. I would like to hear your explanation of the so strong KKK in OregYou have said this almost as many times as you have said somebody ran to you for orgasmus. It doesn't make either true. Please study some US history and note that the KKK has almost always been a southern centric organization. Personally, I can't wait for the press in the US to finish it's political orgasm over the Democrats regaining of the executive office. I am literally sick to my stomach listening to all of the fake sincerity.

Mursenary
01-20-21, 19:02
The size reminds me of someone.

Is he some kind of pillar hugger?I think they found each other and may have started multiplying.

Rocky V
01-20-21, 19:19
And if the vaccine is not the solution that is expected, first of all Pfister and Modena are not a vaccine but a genetic treatment (RNA) but if the authorities name it genetic treatment the people will be afraid so they name it vaccine. Let us assume the so called vaccine is efficient (which nothing is proving) how long will it be efficient, will it be efficient against the all the variant that are pop upping in the last months and more to come. Nearly 1 year latter the situation is getting worse and worse, may be it is just the beginning.It is not a treatment for the simple reason that you take it to prevent infection, not to treat it. It is not a genetic treatment because it does not interact or change our genetic material (DNA). MRNA is the precursor of proteins, so the viral mRNA will produce viral proteins to which our immune system will interact and give us immunity. Here you go, a free basic biology lesson!

Ararat
01-20-21, 19:29
Bror,

You've spent so much time here insulting people and all you managed to do was to look like you're some low level garbage from Norsborg.

You're too stupid to realize I don't talk about immigrants. I talk about you, the racist who think Sweden is being destroyed. Maybe the others don't understand that dog whistle but I do. So when I said something about immigrants that you think is negative it was just what people like you think. SD voters like you think Sweden is being destroyed because of the MENA immigrants.

And yet you sound just like the stereotype of one of them. Funny that, right?

It can't be good for your health to not block me. Please go ahead.

I don't care about your use of immigrant insults such as horunge. It just makes it clear you're a low IQ nobody.

But you don't get it bror. You're too stupid.


Do you think I care about your opinions? You're a weirdo. Take a look in the mirror. Do you even have a single post on here about fucking women? It seems to me that you're self-projecting. No reasonable, sane person writes the way you do. Have you've forgotten to take your meds?

Also, are you a member of AfS or NMR?

Let's be honest, don't you think that most Swedes would consider you to be really weird? What's up with your obsession of immigrants? I'm rather mistaken for being a immigrant than a svennebanan. I'm proud over the fact that I, unlike so many svennebananer, don't take shit from anyone.

You've repeatedly expressed racist opinions and not a single report about fucking women.

Sirioja
01-20-21, 20:16
2025. (Need 10 characters to post).Some clubs are still open and I m sure some will reopen on 2021, at least in Switzerland and Austria. I don't know for Germany when more than 1000 deaths yesterday. Just have to be able to adapt for Europeans. Very sad should be no ski in France on this Winter, maybe I will have to make only my free ride final in Verbier among rocks, after nearly no ski since nearly 2 years, no problem about technique, but about so violent effort on so high altitude without being used to altitude higher than 3000 meters, putting heart in tachycardia, not so dangerous for heart, but exhausting when you can't control your heart rhythm and impossible to recover as long you can't control it.

Sirioja
01-20-21, 20:28
Bror,But you don't get it bror. You're too stupid.I don't read him, I think we don't have same opinions, but I find he is lucky some here want to put him on their ignore list, when I really don't need some followers here, reading all my writings and even before on another forum, bullshiting specialists knowing nothing but just their low level from what they are. So many just followers in this business, I m so proud to be so different. Even you are faster when you follow, but I only do it in Germans back on autobahn, then can improve for nearly 10 km / h with less gas burned, good for less pollution.

Mursenary
01-20-21, 20:58
And if the vaccine is not the solution that is expected, first of all Pfister and Modena are not a vaccine but a genetic treatment (RNA) but if the authorities name it genetic treatment the people will be afraid so they name it vaccine. Let us assume the so called vaccine is efficient (which nothing is proving) how long will it be efficient, will it be efficient against the all the variant that are pop upping in the last months and more to come. Nearly 1 year latter the situation is getting worse and worse, may be it is just the beginning.They're not genetic treatments.

BigBuddy69
01-20-21, 22:09
I think they found each other and may have started multiplying.Yeah, just like gremlins when you pour water on them.

ShooBree
01-20-21, 22:51
Bror,

You've spent so much time here insulting people and all you managed to do was to look like you're some low level garbage from Norsborg.

You're too stupid to realize I don't talk about immigrants. I talk about you, the racist who think Sweden is being destroyed. Maybe the others don't understand that dog whistle but I do. So when I said something about immigrants that you think is negative it was just what people like you think. SD voters like you think Sweden is being destroyed because of the MENA immigrants.

And yet you sound just like the stereotype of one of them. Funny that, right?

It can't be good for your health to not block me. Please go ahead.

I don't care about your use of immigrant insults such as horunge. It just makes it clear you're a low IQ nobody.

But you don't get it bror. You're too stupid.you still don't get it. I enjoy seeing how batshit crazy you truly are. That "dog whistle" you're hearing is probably you should see a psychiatrist about.

You're too stupid to understand that I hold the "naive" Swedes and the politicians responsible for the mess we have in Sweden today. Unlike you I'm not some mentally deranged weirdo obsessing over immigrants post after post. After all, the Danes are not laughing at the immigrants, they are laughing at the "naive" Swedes.

If you really wanted to insult me you should have called me a "naive" Swede.

Chongmal
01-20-21, 22:53
In the US has. 11% of the population have died of COVID-19 and in France. 105% of the population have died from COVID-19. Wow, that is a staggering difference. I would like to hear your explanation of the so strong KKK in OregYou have said this almost as many times as you have said somebody ran to you for orgasmus. It doesn't make either true. Please study some US history and note that the KKK has almost always been a southern centric organization. Personally, I can't wait for the press in the US to finish it's political orgasm over the Democrats regaining of the executive office. I am literally sick to my stomach listening to all of the fake sincerity.Some how I made mistakes on both of my numbers. It is point 11% and point 105% respectively. When dealing with millions of people this is a very small number of people.

Pistons
01-20-21, 23:22
Facts: The human anus can stretch up to 7 inches before taking damage. A Racoon can squeeze into holes as tight as 4 inches.

What this means is that you can take almost two full Racoons up your ass. However, not many people have considered that the analgram for racoon, is corona. Or even that corona can mutate through a racoon. But here we are, and now the latest non-toxic homo-pathic remedy against corona is ready! Just put a few racoons in your bed before taking a nap, and feel your corona immunity skyrocket during the night. Minor tingling may occur.

ExpatLover
01-21-21, 00:48
It is not a treatment for the simple reason that you take it to prevent infection, not to treat it. It is not a genetic treatment because it does not interact or change our genetic material (DNA). MRNA is the precursor of proteins, so the viral mRNA will produce viral proteins to which our immune system will interact and give us immunity. Here you go, a free basic biology lesson!Thank you. Immunity against which virus? How many those kind of vaccine we had before? May be are you aware that the famous Remdesivir which was so strongly promoted a time by politicians, medical authorities could be the responsible of the new mutants. As always the people have to believe in something, today it is in the Pfister / Moderna RNA vaccine / treatment and I am very surprised that in the medias around the world so few journalists are putting any doubts about the efficiency of the treatment / vaccine, it is like most of the info are controlled by the different governments.

SobeLizard
01-21-21, 00:52
It is not a treatment for the simple reason that you take it to prevent infection, not to treat it. It is not a genetic treatment because it does not interact or change our genetic material (DNA). MRNA is the precursor of proteins, so the viral mRNA will produce viral proteins to which our immune system will interact and give us immunity. Here you go, a free basic biology lesson!You Nailed It.

ShooBree
01-21-21, 08:07
On today's episode of not making inflammatory speech. Stay tuned folks, more to come.Funny how you never quote the posts I'm responding to. I guess you rather take my words out of context.

You're just a lousy hypocrite. You should try to take responsibility for your own words and personal attacks against others.

ShooBree
01-21-21, 15:48
This is how the ignore function works.

So I don't have to read shooTroll's constant flow of stupidities coming from his crooked brain, only some glimpses when someone quotes him.

And I advised everyone to do the same because it's basically a waste of time to try to talk some sense into someone like him.Naaaw, the bigtroll is still crying, even after he claimed to have put me on "ignore".

How could someone without any sense talk some sense into someone else? Time after time on point after point the bigtroll has been proven wrong.

The bigtroll has a problem and it is that he's so extremely simpleminded. He's too stupid to see the bigger picture. Hell, he's even too stupid to understand the difference between millions and billions.

Pistons
01-21-21, 15:54
I believe the question is weather or not these viral proteins will reduce our overall immune system. Common sense would say yes.

Rocky V
01-21-21, 18:04
Thank you. Immunity against which virus? How many those kind of vaccine we had before? May be are you aware that the famous Remdesivir which was so strongly promoted a time by politicians, medical authorities could be the responsible of the new mutants. As always the people have to believe in something, today it is in the Pfister / Moderna RNA vaccine / treatment and I am very surprised that in the medias around the world so few journalists are putting any doubts about the efficiency of the treatment / vaccine, it is like most of the info are controlled by the different governments.People do not need to believe in Pfizer or Moderna, but in the major regulatory public health agencies (FDA, EMA, Swiss BAG, Health Canada and so on) that have deemed those vaccines safe for large distribution. Why would a government choose to vaccinate all its citizens with an unsafe vaccine?

BigBuddy69
01-21-21, 18:34
Facts: The human anus can stretch up to 7 inches before taking damage. A Racoon can squeeze into holes as tight as 4 inches.Are you telling me that the COVID doesn't come from a bat or from a pangolin, but from some unnatural mating with a raccoon?

BigBuddy69
01-21-21, 18:39
Why would a government choose to vaccinate all its citizens with an unsafe vaccine?Big pharma, Bill Gates, Georges Soros, you can pick any of those reasons and some moron will come to stand behind you with some over the top theory.

ExpatLover
01-21-21, 18:43
People do not need to believe in Pfizer or Moderna, but in the major regulatory public health agencies (FDA, EMA, Swiss BAG, Health Canada and so on) that have deemed those vaccines safe for large distribution. Why would a government choose to vaccinate all its citizens with an unsafe vaccine?Sorry but why have the same recommend several months back Remdesivir to treat Covid 19 which in fact is a terrible product, please have a look about what happen with the Remdesivir and believe me the same a today promoting RNA vaccine. I will for sure take the vaccine but the Russia or Chinese one which is a real vaccine for me and not a RNA. But I don t expect too much efficiency because of the variants.

Mursenary
01-21-21, 21:19
If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.On today's episode of non-inflammatory speech taken completely out of context, completely.


You're just a lousy hypocrite.
Naaaw, the bigtroll is still crying,

The bigtroll has a problem and it is that he's so extremely simpleminded.

He's too stupid to see the bigger picture.

Hell, he's even too stupid to understand the difference between millions and billions.

Just have a look on the liberals on this forum. Damaged goods.

Mursenary
01-21-21, 21:48
Sorry but why have the same recommend several months back Remdesivir to treat Covid 19 which in fact is a terrible product, please have a look about what happen with the Remdesivir and believe me the same a today promoting RNA vaccine. I will for sure take the vaccine but the Russia or Chinese one which is a real vaccine for me and not a RNA. But I don t expect too much efficiency because of the variants.Remdesivir was a quasi-experimental drug developed as a treatment for Ebola. It showed some possible effects in reducing recovery time in COVID-19 patients and was emergently and desperately approved for use during the initial wave of a global pandemic. It was first and foremost a treatment to slow down viral replication, never meant to be a "cure" nor a tool of prevention.

The vaccines on the other hand began development specifically for SARS-CoV2 and tested with the same rigor as most other pharmaceuticals. It was a specific vaccine for a specific microbe that we developed in January, as soon as we sequenced the genome of the virus. After the same rigor of testing for efficacy and safety, it was approved for emergency use nearly a calendar year later in December, specifically for SARS-COV2.

Major difference.

Sirioja
01-21-21, 22:50
400.000 covid US deaths according to new presidency and not finished, wish they don't lie to their citizens just on arrival, after 4 years of lies, racism and craziness. Today is a good day for the world except for those who waited for his money. Wish for so many millions of black, Latinas and illegals who make so big part of US, to get higher safety, when amazing to see still so powerful KKK in Oregon, from low level of education, lack of cleverness, ignorance about own history, dangerous shame, after already killing Indians. Wish he can never be back, he should better try to improve for golf, wait to see if women will talk about his abuses. World should improve for level today.After about inertia, gravity center and dynamic, to know a bit about sport, when every real sporty know you have to carry your own weight and waste energy for this, now about arithmetic's we should learn at school, and fortunately US and France have only a bit more than 0,1% deaths, which make so numerous deaths, too many for both in my opinion, but no Hart island nor fridge trucks in streets in France. My meaning is just after so many Trump lies for 4 years, good to hear new version and about unity, also good to see black and Indian women, a Latina guy in Biden government, and all my respect for trans-genre I think for health, for such open mind, Biden really have balls, when not Indians are only guests in US which belong to Indians who were there before others, Indians land. I understand the boss Bruce Springsteen who support him, and Stevie Wonder, Tom Hanks, Dave Grohl Foo Fighters and pretty Latina Jenifer Lopez, even big ass, but pretty face. Wish he will really increase minimum salary from 6 up to 13 USD per hour and consider 11 millions illegals who work for US, also thinking about pollution, when racist KKK power in new state Oregon far from old Mississippi is just a shame for US, but Biden should improve US image in front of small other world. We have so many French journalists working and living all over US.

About German huge datcha, when more than 1000 deaths per day at the moment in well organized Germany with citizens following rules, when UK now totally out of control with around 1500 deaths per day, when waiting for third wave at peak on March, not yet for German brothels, maybe in Switzerland in March or April.

ShooBree
01-21-21, 23:13
On today's episode of non-inflammatory speech taken completely out of context, completely.And you've yet to quote any of the posts I responded to. Why are you so afraid of quoting the posts I respond to? Is it because you know that would show how the insults goes two ways?

It's so cute to see your crocodile tears. You're such a dishonest piece of shit.

Pistons
01-22-21, 01:22
Are you telling me that the COVID doesn't come from a bat or from a pangolin, but from some unnatural mating with a raccoon?Not talking about the origin, but the treatment here.

Pistons
01-22-21, 01:27
Proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP19ynmUbds

HammerTime96
01-22-21, 17:12
I believe the question is weather or not these viral proteins will reduce our overall immune system. Common sense would say yes.Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.

Here is Dr. Andrew Wakefield who explains how mRNA works and how traditional vaccines work, where a little bit of dead or weakened virus protein is injected, to which your body forms immunity.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kJ4CWTPKuwUt/

In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.

Old and frail people have already died after taking the vaccine and Norway has issues advice to old and frail people to NOT take the vaccine, which is ironic since it was this age group that has the biggest amount of deaths.

Average death in Germany, clearly over 80 years old: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-gender-germany/.

Average death in USA, again, clearly over 80 years old: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/.

Sorry guys, but don't count on FKK clubs to open this year, because mutated viruses will render the current "vaccine" useless, and by fall of 2021 we'll be back in another lockdown with another rushed "vaccine" in 2022.

It will be a never-ending cycle of lockdowns, partial openings in summer, and "vaccines," until somebody has the guts to go for a herd immunity strategy which will starve the virus of potential hosts and the virus will extinguish itself. Protect the old and vulnerable, and allow the young people (below 70) to achieve herd immunity.

P.S. Where are the 'massive amounts of deaths' in Sweden? https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~BEL~NLD~AUT~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc.

BigBuddy69
01-22-21, 19:13
Compare your country to the other Nordic countries and you'll find the massive amount of deaths.

That's funny but although it has been clearly proved that the herd immunity strategy is a disaster (I found an article from nature or the lancet that I showed to shooTroll trying to put some sense into his crooked brain and you just have to look at what's happening in Manaus right now), you still find a swede who still believes in it.

At least unlike the other troll, you're not constantly insulting everyone.

Rocky V
01-22-21, 19:36
Sorry but why have the same recommend several months back Remdesivir to treat Covid 19 which in fact is a terrible product, please have a look about what happen with the Remdesivir and believe me the same a today promoting RNA vaccine. I will for sure take the vaccine but the Russia or Chinese one which is a real vaccine for me and not a RNA. But I don t expect too much efficiency because of the variants.Remdesivir was never tested in a full clinical randomised-controlled trial process (Phase I, II and III) for Covid-9 like the current vaccines. Remdesivir was observed to provide some relief in some patients and, in a huge emergency situation, they decided to start using it. It's worth noting that remdesivir is now known not to be working as hoped but, at the same time, it didn't cause serious side effects.

Rocky V
01-22-21, 19:44
Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.

Here is Dr. Andrew Wakefield who explains how mRNA works and how traditional vaccines work, where a little bit of dead or weakened virus protein is injected, to which your body forms immunity.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kJ4CWTPKuwUt/

In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.

Old and frail people have already died after taking the vaccine and Norway has issues advice to old and frail people to NOT take the vaccine, which is ironic since it was this age group that has the biggest amount of deaths.

Average death in Germany, clearly over 80 years old: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-gender-germany/.Mr Wakefiled is no longer a Dr. Since he was barred from the medical profession for cheating and data manipulation! You couldn't find a better example to support your idiotic QAnon theories?

It is a genetic therapy only if it changes the DNA and no mRNA has ever changed any DNA in the last billion years. If you have evidence of an mRNA that has changed a DNA, I would nominate you for the Nobel prize.

The cases in Norway were investigated and found to be unrelated to the vaccination. You have to tell the whole story and not the bit you like the most. There have been people suffering from serious adverse allergic reactions in the UK, but those people are at risk every time they receive an injection or a bee sting. So, not only for vaccinations.

Now go back to your QAnon page for getting ridiculous information.

Beijing4987
01-22-21, 19:59
Common sense suggests that one should protect oneself. Scientists get it wrong sometimes, but please Get back to us once science has a study of "common sense" Keep in mind that this infectious disease and the response to it is evolving.

Dr Andrew Wakefield has been discredited. Britain's medical council stripped him of his license, saying he had "abused his position of trust and brought the medical profession into disrepute " "due to his involvement in the Lancet MMR autism fraud, a 1998 study that falsely claimed a link between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism".

Mursenary
01-22-21, 21:01
Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.MRNA acts as the template code for all proteins. Unless it encodes for proteins that can enter the nucleus and alter DNA, above post is rubbish. It's like saying that you can make a bomb using the blueprints for a bridge.


In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years..Source? We'll wait.

And wait.

And wait.

For others, here's data to support the contrary:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9889529642

Even research to suggest that we can suppress autoimmune diseases:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33414215/

Layman reading:

https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/07/with-success-in-vaccines-scientists-try-to-turn-mrna-against-autoimmune-diseases/

Mursenary
01-22-21, 21:10
If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.On today's episode of (provoked) noninflammatory speech:


You're so incredibly stupid and ignorant.
You're such a dishonest piece of shit.A little lighter than usual today. Sigh.

Sirioja
01-22-21, 21:35
Probably the FKK will be closed, yesterday evening Macron said that life will not return to normal in the second semester.Macron? Or Merkel? Who has more power than Macron about landers. But France ask now negative test even for EU, when UK, Spain and Germay are now down under virus, and quarantine for non EU, when Western Europe is waiting third wave on peak in March. World will reopen with Hells.

Carpaccio18
01-22-21, 22:48
Interresting to find crazed-out conspiracy people even on this forum.

If their profet, Mr Trump, on any given Tuesday would insist that its Wednesday (because he may not fancy tuesdays). There would be claims that tuesdays are fake days which have been invented by antifa, the liberals and hugo chavez in a major cover up and to deprive true patriots of their constitutional right to have 2 wednesdays every week.

Sirioja
01-22-21, 22:56
Interresting to find crazed-out conspiracy people even on this forum.

If their profet, Mr Trump, on any given Tuesday would insist that its Wednesday (because he may not fancy tuesdays). There would be claims that tuesdays are fake days which have been invented by antifa, the liberals and hugo chavez in a major cover up and to deprive true patriots of their constitutional right to have 2 wednesdays every week.I'm sure Trump would have liked voyeurs for public sex Tuesdays at Globe, before covid. Then he would not need to touch women, how Slovenian Melania can accept such behavior. Biden smell so much cleverness and safety. Good luck for him to improve US.

ExpatLover
01-23-21, 01:51
Macron? Or Merkel? Who has more power than Macron about landers. But France ask now negative test even for EU, when UK, Spain and Germay are now down under virus, and quarantine for non EU, when Western Europe is waiting third wave on peak in March. World will reopen with Hells.Macron but obviously he is getting better info's than me so I don t believe what will be the sad reality in France could be so different in Germany.

ShooBree
01-23-21, 11:28
On today's episode of (provoked) noninflammatory speech:

A little lighter than usual today. Sigh.And you are still too embarrassed to quote the posts I responded to because you know that you and your disingenuous friends are guilty of provoking the situation.

You started with the personal attacks and lies and now you're crying crocodile tears because I didn't tolerate your shameful behavior.

ShooBree
01-23-21, 12:15
Compare your country to the other Nordic countries and you'll find the massive amount of deaths.

That's funny but although it has been clearly proved that the herd immunity strategy is a disaster (I found an article from nature or the lancet that I showed to shooTroll trying to put some sense into his crooked brain and you just have to look at what's happening in Manaus right now), you still find a swede who still believes in it.

At least unlike the other troll, you're not constantly insulting everyone.It's cute to see the bigtroll ranting and obsessing over me because I called out his ridiculous lies about Sweden having a lockdown a few months back. He couldn't handle being wrong so he started attacking me personally. He was so extremely desperate that he actually claimed that Sweden.

According to everyone in charge the strategy was not to reach herd immunity. The strategy was to not punish and inflict great damage for the overwhelming majority which had no reason to fear COVID-19. We can also see that lockdowns didn't have any success in country after country. Just look at France and their complete failure. They have given up on their freedoms, destroyed their economy and people are still dying like flies in COVID-19 related deaths. Why would I want to participate in such a crazy experiment for a virus which is harmless to me. Only the downsides are guaranteed.

When will the bigtroll wake up and realize that the restrictions have been highly unsuccessful in many countries, including his own.

Sirioja
01-23-21, 12:57
Macron but obviously he is getting better info's than me so I don t believe what will be the sad reality in France could be so different in Germany.Germany is in big trouble under virus now, Switzerland is also quite in trouble, but I m pretty sure Swiss brothels will reopen when weather will become less cold, so virus will lose strength and most of people will then get more strength to resist. For me, good job for Macron would be to succeed to protect our old or weak people and medical who cure us. I don't ask for vaccine when should not have enough, I assume my choices of life, like for free ride I miss so much when I see so good puff waiting for me.

ExpatLover
01-23-21, 19:09
Germany is in big trouble under virus now, Switzerland is also quite in trouble, but I m pretty sure Swiss brothels will reopen when weather will become less cold, so virus will lose strength and most of people will then get more strength to resist. For me, good job for Macron would be to succeed to protect our old or weak people and medical who cure us. I don't ask for vaccine when should not have enough, I assume my choices of life, like for free ride I miss so much when I see so good puff waiting for me.Macron very good job? Are you joking it is the guy who in March told us we don t need to wear a mask, h is saying everything and it contrary the next sentence. The economic situation in France is getting worse and worse and be prepared to see your taxes skyrocketing in the coming years.

Sirioja
01-23-21, 19:32
Crazy like his hair B Johnson now telling UK mutant would kill more than Chinese, when we already knew for spreading faster. UK is out of control, but not compulsory to put on mask in streets. Some UK had negative test from UK, Chinese tests? But positive when tested in France and making now problems for my plans.

Mursenary
01-23-21, 20:29
If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.On today's episode of noninflammatory speech.


.Oh. My. Goodness. I'm being a little generous here, save a not so nice term of endearment, but not really anything up to the normal par.

Perhaps we can make it to TWO days! Just perhaps.

ShooBree
01-24-21, 08:25
On today's episode of noninflammatory speech.

Oh. My. Goodness. I'm being a little generous here, save a not so nice term of endearment, but not really anything up to the normal par.

Perhaps we can make it to TWO days! Just perhaps.Just in; the tiny wiener Asian boy still doesn't have a life and is still too embarrassed to quote any of his or his friends posts.

HammerTime96
01-24-21, 18:17
In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.
Source? We'll wait.

And wait.

And wait.Why don't you give us a source that these mRNA vaccines have been tested thoroughly for long term side effects, and that the manufacturers can rule out any possible long term effects? Perhaps the "long term" (7-8 months instead of 10 years) and fraudulent vaccine "testing" phase wasn't long enough? Let's be honest: there simply never was a long term study. The long term "study" is injecting the entire global population with a never-tried-before mRNA vaccine and hoping for the best!

If they are so confident that "all is well," then why did Big Pharma demand that all western governments to make it impossible to sue those Big Pharma companies in case of side effects? What do they have to hide? Bad 'science?' A fraudulent "testing" phase? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html.

Oh, and talking about testing. Remember the "95% efficacy" lies and sales pitch that were promised after the so-called vaccine "testing" phase?

Well, that has already been proven as a complete fabrication, and it only took a few weeks of inoculating for that: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/uk-look-carefully-claims-vaccine-efficacy-has-dropped-33-per/.

Expect that "efficacy" to continue to drop as new mutations pop up, and all those idiots who lined up to be vaccinated will have a increasingly useless (but potentially harmful in the long term) vaccine in their bodies. For a flu that has a 0,05% (infectious mortality rate. Real smart. Not!

(source on page 7: https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf "For people 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with.

Available data ranged from 0. 00% to 0. 31% (median 0. 05% the corrected values were similar."

Sirioja
01-24-21, 20:06
Macron very good job? Are you joking it is the guy who in March told us we don t need to wear a mask, h is saying everything and it contrary the next sentence. The economic situation in France is getting worse and worse and be prepared to see your taxes skyrocketing in the coming years.I wrote if we succeed in France to protect our old, weak, medical before end of 2021 , when lack of vaccine now, then yes it will be good job, when we are not so worse at the moment than UK and our neighbours on borders, but things can change. But even with vaccine, EU will have to protect about dangerous countries: Brazil, US where Biden will have hard job, and of course Asia land of lies, even Japan lying to try to save Olympics, but I wish Olympics will be cancelled, when so sexist country, only allowing women to play sumo but not as professional, only to have sumo allowed on Olympics.

Sirioja
01-24-21, 20:59
After UK, south African, Brazilian, now seem new Californian mutant, which for next?

Sirioja
01-24-21, 21:18
After UK, south African, Brazilian, now seem new Californian mutant, which for next?

Mursenary
01-24-21, 21:25
If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true. On today's episode of never making inflammatory speech:


Just in; the tiny wiener Asian boy still doesn't have a life and is still too embarrassed to quote any of his or his friends posts.Well guys, we couldn't make it TWO days in a row. Will try again tomorrow.

Mursenary
01-24-21, 21:33
In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.
Source? We'll wait.

And wait.

And wait.
Why don't you give us a source that these mRNA vaccines have been tested thoroughly for long term side effects, and that the manufacturers can rule out any possible long term effects? Perhaps the "long term" (7-8 months instead of 10 years) and fraudulent vaccine "testing" phase wasn't long enough? Let's be honest: there simply never was a long term study. The long term "study" is injecting the entire global population with a never-tried-before mRNA vaccine and hoping for the best!

If they are so confident that "all is well," then why did Big Pharma.Will keep waiting for said source of claim.

Carpaccio18
01-25-21, 00:02
Expect that "efficacy" to continue to drop as new mutations pop up, and all those idiots who lined up to be vaccinated will have a increasingly useless (but potentially harmful in the long term) vaccine in their bodies. For a flu that has a 0,05% (infectious mortality rate. Real smart. Not!

There would be at least 1 millon people globally who would disagree with you, but can't, because they died.

And you're not getting the point. If not checked somehow, the number of sick people needing treatment and oxygen ventilators will exceed the capacity of any health system in any country. Ask any Italian. Or check out Brazil, where they have run out of oxygen and mortaility is sky rocketing because of that.

Taking vaccine or not is a personal choice. If you don't want it, don't take it. But don't call other people names because they won't entertain your Big Pharma paranoia and actually have some faith in science.

Beijing4987
01-25-21, 00:22
Trolls On The Ignore List are on a fact finding tour of Lost Angeles and Manaus, Brazil in search of alternative facts. Wait, wait? It's been cancelled. Someone online told them it's a hoax. Fake photos of people on ventilators and doctors in anguish. Fake photos of body bags and refer trucks. Trolls on the ignore list are in Miami with their heads in the sand.

ExpatLover
01-25-21, 03:18
Why don't you give us a source that these mRNA vaccines have been tested thoroughly for long term side effects, and that the manufacturers can rule out any possible long term effects? Perhaps the "long term" (7-8 months instead of 10 years) and fraudulent vaccine "testing" phase wasn't long enough? Let's be honest: there simply never was a long term study. The long term "study" is injecting the entire global population with a never-tried-before mRNA vaccine and hoping for the best!

If they are so confident that "all is well," then why did Big Pharma demand that all western governments to make it impossible to sue those Big Pharma companies in case of side effects? What do they have to hide? Bad 'science?' A fraudulent "testing" phase? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html.

Oh, and talking about testing. Remember the "95% efficacy" lies and sales pitch that were promised after the so-called vaccine "testing" phase?

Well, that has already been proven as a complete fabrication, and it only took a few weeks of inoculating for that: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/uk-look-carefully-claims-vaccine-efficacy-has-dropped-33-per/.

Expect that "efficacy" to continue to drop as new mutations pop up, and all those idiots who lined up to be vaccinated will have a increasingly useless (but potentially harmful in the long term) vaccine in their bodies. For a flu that has a 0,05% (infectious mortality rate. Real smart. Not!.What is sure in the contract between Europe and Pfistzer, Moderna it is clearly writing that both pharma companies are not responsible for any side effects.

ShooBree
01-25-21, 06:23
On today's episode of never making inflammatory speech:

Well guys, we couldn't make it TWO days in a row. Will try again tomorrow.Well, you can't go a day without obsessing over me. I'm starting to enjoy having you as my personal stalker / troll. LOL!

Sirioja
01-25-21, 22:19
What is sure in the contract between Europe and Pfistzer, Moderna it is clearly writing that both pharma companies are not responsible for any side effects.And Pfizer tell to make second injection after 4 weeks, not 6 or more, so they won't be responsible for anything, when more than 20 vaccined already died in small Norway and also 5 very old vaccined in France. Wish Pfizer or others will protect most of those at risk for health or job, for less deaths, then should be less restrictions, even I think EU have now to protect more to keep a better safety, when can't trust some countries.

Mursenary
01-26-21, 03:30
If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.Nice. I'm being a little generous today, but I'll mark it as a zero insult day!

ExpatLover
01-26-21, 11:45
There would be at least 1 millon people globally who would disagree with you, but can't, because they died.

And you're not getting the point. If not checked somehow, the number of sick people needing treatment and oxygen ventilators will exceed the capacity of any health system in any country. Ask any Italian. Or check out Brazil, where they have run out of oxygen and mortaility is sky rocketing because of that.

Taking vaccine or not is a personal choice. If you don't want it, don't take it. But don't call other people names because they won't entertain your Big Pharma paranoia and actually have some faith in science.I will take the vaccine the Russian or Chinese one not the Pfister or Moderna which is not a vaccine but a RNA treatment (genetic), but I still believe that the efficiency will be the same that for the normal flue vaccine which means low.

Rogue Nation
01-26-21, 13:57
I am sad that Palace is still closed. -- its been over 6 months. I'm glad I was able to go last spring before the shutdown due to Covid19. I hope it doesn't shut down completely. That would be a terrible loss!

Any idea if FKK clubs in Hessen will likely reopen by end of Jan 2021?My 2 cents: No FKK in Germany will open before August / September. Or even later in the year. And to all sex tourists coming from high risk areas: Stay home, we don't need any mutants here in Germany. We got Silvana, that's enough.

Mursenary
01-26-21, 18:30
]BigBuddy69,

Do something about your people. Why do the old French guys both insist on being stubbornly poorly informed despite being fed platters of information? Is it the arrogant French stereotype of just old man stubbornness?

HammerTime96
01-26-21, 19:05
I will take the vaccine the Russian or Chinese one not the Pfister or Moderna which is not a vaccine but a RNA treatment (genetic), but I still believe that the efficiency will be the same that for the normal flue vaccine which means low.Exactly right! Only a total idiot would want to get a, potentially, DNA-altering "vaccine" for a virus that is constantly mutating.

Guess what: according to German research, the Astra-Zeneca vaccine barely works on protecting older people. Link in German from Handelsblatt. De, a serious German publication and not exactly a tabloid: https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/pandemie-bekaempfung-rueckschlag-bei-corona-impfstoff-astra-zeneca-vakzin-wirkt-bei-senioren-offenbar-kaum/26849788.html.

Here is a link in English: https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-reports-on-low-efficacy-on-over-65s-completely-incorrect/a-56341198.

Keep on hoping against hope that in 2021 FKK clubs will open, because the future is looking increasingly dark. With this enormous fear campaign in the media and even 'strong men' being complete pussies worrying about a flu, have any of you guys even considered how many girls would be willing to return to work even IF things would return to "normal?" As far as I could tell, the line up was quite lousy during the very limited time that some clubs were allowed to open last year, so what makes anyone think that girls will be returning en-masse if or when things open up again?

Guys, if ANY of you want to see the inside of an FKK club again in your lives, you'd better wake up and stop believing the fearmongers, because this is no longer about a virus. It doesn't matter how many "vaccines" you're willing to take, this is about establishing a fascist technocratic regime.

This is what Stasi-Mutti Merkel said today: 'this thing has managed to get away from us,' mentally preparing everybody for more lockdowns and more totalitarian travel restrictions. I could not (yet) find a link in English, but this is from Stern. De https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/merkel-ueber-corona-lage---das-ding-ist-uns-entglitten--30207930.html.

Forget about any FKK visits in 2021 (or 2022) boys, unless you wake up and start resisting the lies and the propaganda! This will be an endless game of lockdowns, travel restrictions, and "vaccines."

P.S. I wonder how many FKK clubs are actually bankrupt already and have filed all necessary the paperwork, but that we simply don't know because no other clubs are open as a comparison.

BigBuddy69
01-26-21, 19:06
At Mursenary: More than 13 years of prostitute addiction can take a toll on your mental health, especially if you already had a condition before.

Beijing4987
01-26-21, 20:21
Don't rely on unnamed individuals in the German government quoted in the two newspapers. Maybe some posters could actually read what is in the link. Seems like it contradicts the poster's take about any ineffectiveness in elders. Can the chicken littles wait for named officials to weigh in and for the German government to make decisions? By the way, fascist technocratic governments have taken over a long time ago. You just noticed ?

BigBuddy69
01-26-21, 20:50
Here is a link in English: https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-reports-on-low-efficacy-on-over-65s-completely-incorrect/a-56341198Did you at least read this article? They're explaining that the mistake probably comes from a confusion in figures.

Take a look at this: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/german-paper-s-oxford-vaccine-muddle.

ExpatLover
01-26-21, 21:28
Exactly right! Only a total idiot would want to get a, potentially, DNA-altering "vaccine" for a virus that is constantly mutating.

Guess what: according to German research, the Astra-Zeneca vaccine barely works on protecting older people. Link in German from Handelsblatt. De, a serious German publication and not exactly a tabloid: https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/pandemie-bekaempfung-rueckschlag-bei-corona-impfstoff-astra-zeneca-vakzin-wirkt-bei-senioren-offenbar-kaum/26849788.html.

Here is a link in English: https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-reports-on-low-efficacy-on-over-65s-completely-incorrect/a-56341198.

Keep on hoping against hope that in 2021 FKK clubs will open, because the future is looking increasingly dark. With this enormous fear campaign in the media and even 'strong men' being complete pussies worrying about a flu, have any of you guys even considered how many girls would be willing to return to work even IF things would return to "normal?" As far as I could tell, the line up was quite lousy during the very limited time that some clubs were allowed to open last year, so what makes anyone think that girls will be returning en-masse if or when things open up again?

Guys, if ANY of you want to see the inside of an FKK club again in your lives, you'd better wake up and stop believing the fearmongers, because this is no longer about a virus. It doesn't matter how many "vaccines" you're willing to take, this is about establishing a fascist technocratic regime..Only very few FKK will bankrupt, just have a look on the owner of the FKK and you will see they will always need washing machines.

Mursenary
01-26-21, 21:54
At Mursenary: More than 13 years of prostitute addiction can take a toll on your mental health, especially if you already had a condition before.Wait, one said he didn't see hookers until 2010. Is the math wrong? Hmmmm.

Sirioja
01-26-21, 22:06
]BigBuddy69,

Do something about your people. Why do the old French guys both insist on being stubbornly poorly informed despite being fed platters of information? Is it the arrogant French stereotype of just old man stubbornness?You and your bald friends but maybe you never saw their look, just put me on your ignore list, but I'm sure you will then log out to read me, as my jealous followers you are, reading all my writings, even on forum where I wrote previously. When I enjoy prettiest girls.

Sirioja
01-26-21, 22:12
My 2 cents: No FKK in Germany will open before August / September. Or even later in the year. And to all sex tourists coming from high risk areas: Stay home, we don't need any mutants here in Germany. We got Silvana, that's enough.When Germany is in big trouble, Merkel is now thinking about no international flight entering Germany. I agree EU have to protect more for our safety. I m pretty sure Switzerland should open earlier than August.

Sirioja
01-26-21, 22:22
Now more than 100 000 deaths in down under UK with 50.000 deaths since November. Also riots in NL versus lockdown to protect their health. Germany thinking about no international flights entering Germany. Virus and mutants seem very strong in the cold. Few Swiss clubs remain open.

HammerTime96
01-26-21, 22:28
Don't rely on unnamed individuals in the German government quoted in the two newspapers. Maybe some posters could actually read what is in the link. Seems like it contradicts the poster's take about any ineffectiveness in elders. Can the chicken littles wait for named officials to weigh in and for the German government to make decisions? By the way, fascist technocratic governments have taken over a long time ago. You just noticed ?Well, I don't know how good your German is in "Beijing," (is posting on forums the job you do for the Chinese government?) so please tell us where you disagree with what I previously posted. You really sound a lot like another forum user, who also likes to make accusations and specializes in gaslighting, without presenting any facts. Please give us some direct quotes and facts, instead of more gaslighting.

I'll give the readers here some quotes;.

The title of the first article reads: "areückschlag bei Corona-Impfstoff: Astra-Zeneca-Vakzin wirkt bei Senioren offenbar kaum" translation by myself: "setback with Corona vaccine: Astra-Zeneca vaccine barely works with senior citizens. ".

In the article: "Nach Informationen des Handelsblatts aus Koalitionskreisen rechnet die Bundesregierung nur mit einer Wirksamkeit von acht Prozent bei den über 65-Jährigen. " translation by myself: "According to information of the government coalition in possession of Handelsblatt, the government counts on only an efficacy of 8% among people older than 65. "

I'm not going to translate the whole second article myself (use Google Translate if you want) because I have work to do, but a key paragraph which is relevant for people thinking about traveling is this one: "Auch die Auslandsreisen vieler Deutscher soll die Kanzlerin kritisiert haben, berichtete das Blatt. Weihnachten seien jeden Tag 50.000 Menschen auf die Kanaren und die Malediven geflogen. "Warum können wir die Reisen nicht verbieten? Soll die Regierungschefin gefragt haben. Man müsse "den Flugverkehr so ausdünnen, dass man nirgendwo mehr hinkommt", sagte Merkel nach Angaben von Zuhörern der Schalte. Sie fügte auch an, Deutschland brauche ein härteres Grenzregime. "

My translation:

"The Chancellor is also to have criticised the many foreign travels of Germans, the newspaper reported. Over the Christmas holidays, every day 50000 people have flown to the Canary Islands and the Maldives. "Why can't we just outlaw this travel," the Head of Government is supposed to have said. "One has to thin out air travel in such a way that people can no longer travel anywhere," Merkel said according to listeners of the connection. She added: "Germany needs a harsh border regime. ".

Get ready for another Berlin Wall with barbed wire and mine fields, and an Iron Curtain from Stasi-Mutti Merkel boys! As I said, if you want to see the inside of an FKK club ever again, you better start waking up and see the totalitarian agenda behind this "pandemic!

P.S. Merkel, like many other politicians, usually 'communicates' her plans through "sources" in the mainstream media ahead of time. It's called "expectation management" in order to mentally prepare the Proletariate of what's coming next.

BigBuddy69
01-26-21, 22:50
Wait, one said he didn't see hookers until 2010. Is the math wrong? Hmmmm.Correct me if I'm wrong but 2020-2007=13 right? And 2021-2007=14, so we'll soon have a party for the 14th year of addiction!

Mursenary
01-26-21, 22:58
You know how mothers point at the homeless man on the street and tell their children to work hard and study as to never become that way? That's why I would never put people on the ignore list. When spending so much time in the mongering fantasy world, seeing the crazies serves as a reminder to constantly self-evaluate and remind myself, "keep a sense of reality or else you might end up like him. "

Mursenary
01-26-21, 23:14
Exactly right! Only a total idiot would want to get a, potentially, DNA-altering "vaccine" for a virus that is constantly mutating..
Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.

In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 yGentle reminder.

Still waiting for that source to support how an mRNA code for a cell membrane binding protein can alter human DNA and cause autoimmune problems. Doesn't even have to be research. Even a page from an undergraduate level biology text book to illustrate how cell biology works would suffice.

For the purpose of accurate information and education rather than mere argument's sake of course.

Side note, ALL viruses constantly mutate but we still deem vaccines for MMR, varicella, polio, smallpox, etc effective.

ShooBree
01-26-21, 23:51
You know how mothers point at the homeless man on the street and tell their children to work hard and study as to never become that way? That's why I would never put people on the ignore list. When spending so much time in the mongering fantasy world, seeing the crazies serves as a reminder to constantly self-evaluate and remind myself, "keep a sense of reality or else you might end up like him. "But you've never questioned the amount of time you spend on this site? LMFAO! No warning signs?

Clodius1
01-26-21, 23:51
After UK, south African, Brazilian, now seem new Californian mutant, which for next?Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.

Sirioja
01-27-21, 00:16
You know how mothers point at the homeless man on the street and tell their children to work hard and study as to never become that way? That's why I would never put people on the ignore list. When spending so much time in the mongering fantasy world, seeing the crazies serves as a reminder to constantly self-evaluate and remind myself, "keep a sense of reality or else you might end up like him. "Just look at you and your size between your legs and then you have no risk to become like me when I have only 1 profile, not many like you.

Mursenary
01-27-21, 00:34
Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.It's a nice thought experiment but there was no other alternative. I always point back to New York City and Milan in March and April. There was no flattening of the curve back then and hospitals were overrun and people who probably would have survived if we were able to deliver the proper standard of care needlessly died. The cases became manageable after the first round of restrictions but then things got much worse in the US when people stopped caring by late summer. Case numbers fell again in the fall either because people started taking more precautions again or due to a lack of social opportunities after the summer, but the holiday season caused another surge in cases and deaths.

No one wants to keep things shut down but the alternative was to let hospitals continue to get over run and society just not having the resources to keep up with the rate of infection. It's a difficult balance to decide how much activity to resume and controlling the caseload.

At the moment, "mutant" and "variant" are boogey man words. Yes, there is a possibility of them creating more challenges but currently mutations are not significant enough to abort the current plan: Get through this post-Christmas wave while vaccinating as many people as possible. My prediction is that we are currently at the end of the current surge and will begin a slow dwindle to more manageable case numbers. The key date for getting vaccinations up will be sometime in April as between now and then, I don't foresee anymore reasons for people to gather more than they already are doing.

A bigger threat than mutants is misinformation regarding vaccines, poor management in distribution, and possibly supply.

I swear there are people rooting for the vaccine to fail just to feel good about being right. (They won't be.).

Beijing4987
01-27-21, 02:20
Barron's Magazine article by Hui Min Neo: "Germany's health ministry on Tuesday joined AstraZeneca in rubbishing reports quoting unnamed sources that claimed the British-Swedish company's Covid-19 vaccine showed little efficacy for people over 65.

Handelsblatt econony daily had reported Monday the Berlin had estimated the efficacy of the jab among over 65's at just 8 percent. Separately, Bild quoted "an efficacy of less than 10%.

But Germany's health ministry said Tuesday it "appears that two things have been mixed up in the reports".

"Around eight percent of the volunteers in AstraZeneca's efficacy studies were around 56 ad 69 years old and three to four percent are above 70 years old" The health ministry added that the European regulator EMA will evaluate the effectiveness of the vaccine. "It has been known since autumn that fewer older people were involved in AstraZeneca's first studies than in other manufacturers".

ExpatLover
01-27-21, 02:51
Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.It seems that the Remdesivir, the world wide promoted medicine in Q2 by so many politicians and heath authorities could be the responsible of the variants by showing 0 results against the covid, the same are today promoting the pfister and moderna vaccine. There seems also to have a strong link between the mink farms and the spread of covid and the different variants.

Mursenary
01-27-21, 04:24
It seems that the Remdesivir, the world wide promoted medicine in Q2 by so many politicians and heath authorities could be the responsible of the variants by showing 0 results against the covid, the same are today promoting the pfister and moderna vaccine. There seems also to have a strong link between the mink farms and the spread of covid and the different variants.Inaccurate and apparently a reflection of selectively picking data:

Yes a WHO study refutes other studies regarding Remdesvir efficacy:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2023184

Here are the other studies that contradict the WHO study:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769871

It's by no means a definitive gold standard but further studies show it being more effective if in combination with other therapies:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2031994

In short:

-WHO study finds remdesivir to not be effective in reducing mortality rates in a retrospective study in which patients were not stratified based on disease severity in African and Asian hospitals using their respective standards of care.

-Other studies showed efficacy in improving clinical outcomes and reducing recovery time in patients when stratified for moderate disease severity in North American hospitals and their respective standard of care.

Mursenary
01-27-21, 04:42
Go to that site if you want to respond that messages.

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Mursenary
01-27-21, 05:16
But you've never questioned the amount of time you spend on this site? LMFAO! No warning signs?Everyday sir! The screen addiction is real!

What about you? Want to start a self-help group?

HammerTime96
01-27-21, 06:07
Gentle reminder.

Still waiting for that source to support how an mRNA code for a cell membrane binding protein can alter human DNA and cause autoimmune problems. Doesn't even have to be research. Even a page from an undergraduate level biology text book to illustrate how cell biology works would suffice.

For the purpose of accurate information and education rather than mere argument's sake of course.

Side note, ALL viruses constantly mutate but we still deem vaccines for MMR, varicella, polio, smallpox, etc effective.And as a gentle reminder, we're all still waiting for you to show us any long term (5-10 years) mRNA vaccine trials on humans. Show us the long term for this mRNA vaccine trial and then you will see your source, or not!

My point is: we simply don't know any long term effects!

We have all been turned into a huge human experiment on the long term effects of mRNA vaccines, simply because the globalists that are calling the shots don't give a damn about the people, and have allowed the Big Pharma companies to skip the long term testing.

How can you do a long term (5-10 years) testing phase in 7-8 months, on humans? (I'm not talking about lab rats and mice, but on humans!) Answer me that and you'll find your "source" for how mRNA can possibly alter your DNA!

BigBuddy69
01-27-21, 07:03
Gentle reminder.

Still waiting for that source to support how an mRNA code for a cell membrane binding protein can alter human DNA and cause autoimmune problems. Doesn't even have to be research. Even a page from an undergraduate level biology text book to illustrate how cell biology works would suffice..I have the source. It's 'I am legend' with will Smith! We will turn into some kind of blood thirsty vampires!

Even the dogs!

Sirioja
01-27-21, 09:23
Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.Real figures are UK doubled deaths = 50.000 more since November, under their mutant, when not a third world country, when London is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic under their mutant, London being out of control, even under confine since 1 month and vaccining. Even Germany try now to find solutions out of EU, even ordering Trump treatment, when not enough vaccine, thinking to forbid international flights entering Germany, when they are also under confine since 1 month and telling to put on FFP2 mask. B Johnson telling now mutant is a stronger killer spreading much faster and in other countries, virus seem strong in the cold. Look also what happen in California now. I think we will have to wait a bit for German brothels, even Merkel will finish after 15 years, but Germany have to try to save their citizens and won t be enough vaccine in EU. Now even riots in NL in Eindhoven, Rotterdam, versus their first lockdown, some there prefer to die, it won t help to open in EU. Complicated 2021 start. Wish for hot weather, maybe in May / June to help. But few German brothels only opened on September.

Canary
01-27-21, 14:23
When Germany is in big trouble, Merkel is now thinking about no international flight entering Germany. I agree EU have to protect more for our safety. I m pretty sure Switzerland should open earlier than August.With the high weekly rate of vaccinations being done in the UK (despite the Governments inept management of the pandemic) it's looking like the UK will be one of the first European countries to start lifting restrictions. Just one day last week nearly half a million people were vaccinated with the first dose.

However it won't be much help to me if Germany is still "closed" as I love my regular trips to FKK land more that punting in my own country.

Sirioja
01-27-21, 17:21
With the high weekly rate of vaccinations being done in the UK (despite the Governments inept management of the pandemic) it's looking like the UK will be one of the first European countries to start lifting restrictions. Just one day last week nearly half a million people were vaccinated with the first dose.

However it won't be much help to me if Germany is still "closed" as I love my regular trips to FKK land more that punting in my own country.UK is by far highest deaths with more than 100 000 and around 1500 daily, and for cases in Europe, with no mask in streets, and should be quarantine to enter EU because very risky country at the moment with killer mutant. Wish for UK to get better than now. At the moment, I adapt at home where found a cute Ukrainian, even I m usually not much into Ukrainians, but her charm from her behavior seduced me, and for 200 for a full GFE escort. I prefer not to go to Switzerland even some Globe girls but 7 pm is too early for me. Patience.

Mursenary
01-27-21, 20:41
And as a gentle reminder, we're all still waiting for you to show us any long term (5-10 years) mRNA vaccine trials on humans. Show us the long term for this mRNA vaccine trial and then you will see your source, or not!

How can you do a long term (5-10 years) testing phase in 7-8 months, on humans? (I'm not talking about lab rats and mice, but on humans!) Answer me that and you'll find your "source" for how mRNA can possibly alter your DNA!
Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.

In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years..We can't know 5-10 year effects in 7-8 months. Obviously. 5-10 year effects are generally part of Phase IV clinical trials, the part that's conducted after approval and general use.

And no sir, we're not going to twist the statements and rewrite history. We are talking about this mRNA vaccine. One that carries a specific mRNA for this virus's spike protein, not DNA altering proteins. Membrane protein altering DNA? Rubbish. Autoimmune disease? Rubbish.

Just let it go. We've passed the peak of this thing. We have a solution so just try to stop contributing to misinformation that leads to more people being needlessly hospitalized and even dead. You don't have to be part of the solution, but at least get out of the way.

Mursenary
01-27-21, 21:03
Real figures are UK doubled deaths = 50.000 more since November, under their mutant, when not a third world country, when London is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic under their mutant, London being out of control, even under confine since 1 month and vaccining. Even Germany try now to find solutions out of EU, even ordering Trump treatment, when not enough vaccine, thinking to forbid international flights entering Germany, when they are also under confine since 1 month and telling to put on FFP2 mask. B Johnson telling now mutant is a stronger killer spreading much faster and in other countries, virus seem strong in the cold. Look also what happen in California now. I think we will have to wait a bit for German brothels, even Merkel will finish after 15 years, but Germany have to try to save their citizens and won t be enough vaccine in EU. Now even riots in NL in Eindhoven, Rotterdam, versus their first lockdown, some there prefer to die, it won t help to open in EU. Complicated 2021 start. Wish for hot weather, maybe in May / June to help. But few German brothels only opened on September.Real figures are France doubled deaths = 37.000 more since November, not even under a mutant, when not a third world country, when Paris is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic not even under a mutant, Paris being out of control, even under curfew since over 1 month, yada yada yada.

ExpatLover
01-27-21, 21:09
With the high weekly rate of vaccinations being done in the UK (despite the Governments inept management of the pandemic) it's looking like the UK will be one of the first European countries to start lifting restrictions. Just one day last week nearly half a million people were vaccinated with the first dose.

However it won't be much help to me if Germany is still "closed" as I love my regular trips to FKK land more that punting in my own country.Again you are taking the assumption that the vaccine will be efficient, let us imagine that it will just be as efficient than the one for the normal flue or the one that they promised to us for the HIV. Just have a look about all the politicians or heath authorities were saying about Remdisivir in May and how all this was just bullshit, may be the same about the Pfister and Moderna vaccine.

HammerTime96
01-28-21, 06:07
Real figures are France doubled deaths = 37.000 more since November, not even under a mutant, when not a third world country, when Paris is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic not even under a mutant, Paris being out of control, even under curfew since over 1 month, yada yada yada.Dying with or dying from Covid19 is a big difference, and generally isn't mentioned in the media, just like any normal flu is suddenly labelled "Covid19."

HammerTime96
01-28-21, 06:15
We can't know 5-10 year effects in 7-8 months. Obviously. 5-10 year effects are generally part of Phase IV clinical trials, the part that's conducted after approval and general use.

And no sir, we're not going to twist the statements and rewrite history. We are talking about this mRNA vaccine. One that carries a specific mRNA for this virus's spike protein, not DNA altering proteins. Membrane protein altering DNA? Rubbish. Autoimmune disease? Rubbish.

Just let it go. We've passed the peak of this thing. We have a solution so just try to stop contributing to misinformation that leads to more people being needlessly hospitalized and even dead. You don't have to be part of the solution, but at least get out of the way.We're still waiting for you to post links to long term efficacy and side effects studies.

Ah, so now "we passed the peak of this thing?

I'll tell you why "cases" will disappear: it's because the WHO has lowered the number of cycles ('magnifications') of PCR testing: https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05.

They did this, very quietly, on the say of Biden's inauguration, probably as a little present to China Joe. People of course will still be just as "sick," but all the glory will be pointed towards China Joe and the "vaccine. " By the way, it's the same WHO which is controlled by China and their good Ethiopian agent Tedros. (have a look in Ethiopia, and how China has nearly bought up the entire country).

Lower the CT threshold = lower "cases."

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

Sirioja
01-28-21, 09:54
Again you are taking the assumption that the vaccine will be efficient, let us imagine that it will just be as efficient than the one for the normal flue or the one that they promised to us for the HIV. Just have a look about all the politicians or heath authorities were saying about Remdisivir in May and how all this was just bullshit, may be the same about the Pfister and Moderna vaccine.Pfizer claim their vaccine would be efficient versus UK and south African mutants, what about Brazilian and new Californian? But they tell for second injection after 3/4 weeks, not 6 or more, so France is now following what say Pfizer for injections, despite lack of vaccine. At the moment, cases and deaths increase in Europe, let s wait for few vaccination effects. I think more warm weather higher than 20 Celsius degrees, with sun would help. When chloroquine was forbidden in France versus virus, but vitamin the is said by our medical to make organism and lungs being stronger versus virus, when lack of sun and hot weather. Our organism seem to get more vitamin the under sun, making stronger versus virus on Summer, maybe why Africa resist quite well, when they live quite naked and often under sun and warm, and also younger population with less diabetics and cardio vascular problems. But never heard about any vaccine for HIV but only pills and they don t cure. Most of girls don t care much about virus, money is more important, maybe they take vitamin the or find in our sperm?

Sirioja
01-28-21, 10:50
Real figures are France doubled deaths = 37.000 more since November, not even under a mutant, when not a third world country, when Paris is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic not even under a mutant, Paris being out of control, even under curfew since over 1 month, yada yada yada.Your information about France are wrong, even I agree for our too many deaths = not far from 70.000 now, but fortunately for us, we are not in same situation than UK, when we live under not so strict lockdown for us since 1 month and our hospitals didn't explode at the moment, with around 3000 in reanimation. I think at the moment, we even manage better than Germany which is also under more strict lockdown since 1 month, but no competition for deaths, the world lost versus killer covid with I think around 1,5 million deaths. And aren't you informed UK mutant is in France. Belgium closed borders because of mutants, Germany is thinking to forbid international flights entering. UK mutant is the new big problem in Western Europe, it didn't spread only in UK but crossed Channel since before Christmas, and stronger killer as told be Johnson who is down under it.

Pistons
01-28-21, 17:39
Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.Well according to German inspectors, the AstraZeneca vaccine has a whopping 8% efficiency rate! And this is the only vaccine we are able to distribute globally to poor countries considering the temperature during transport. The other candidates too most likely have a far lower efficiency rate than the cash grabbing capitalists at the vaccine companies want to admit as well! Plus there is the potential of actually dying straight on once getting the Pfizer vaccine! But then again, we will all most likely be forced into taking the shots sooner or later, or we won't be allowed to travel nor get a job.

In other words, lets take a few months to reconsider, and watch this nice little movie named Sunbird.

Pistons
01-28-21, 17:47
If I wanted to reduce the world population by 80-90%, this is exactly how I would imagine it.

Fact is, vaccines have hardly ever worked. And is extremely dubious regarding mutating viruses. The effect is always miniscule, and the overall effect is negative to your immune systems long term.

It is a planned virus, made in a gain-of-function lab. Go figure the rest!

Ararat
01-28-21, 18:36
Well according to German inspectors, the AstraZeneca vaccine has a whopping 8% efficiency rate! No, it was according to German newspapers that quoted unnamed officials. This report has been denied by the German authorities. The explanation is apparently that 8% was the number of participants in the test of the relevant age range.

We'll soon find out if there was any truth to it.

BigBuddy69
01-28-21, 18:50
Fact is, vaccines have hardly ever worked. !Polio, smallpox, tetanos, rabid? Doesn't work?

1st November: 47 000 deaths in UK, 37000 in France.

26 January: 100 000 in UK, 74 000 in France.

100 000-47 000=53 000,74 000-37 000=37 000.

Just like 2020-2007=13 and not 10. And 50+25=75 not 100.

Sirioja
01-28-21, 19:40
More than 4000 deaths in US on last day, wish for news mistake. Biden has really hard job after crazy, when he seems so much more clever for words: unity, peace and supporting US employment and companies, then even as foreigner, but can only agree with him. Wish him to make US much better again.

Everybody in Western Europe except few bullshting specialists here, tell UK is the most risky country for virus with their mutant spreading now in Europe and no revenge about brexit, Europeans would just prefer they don't send us their more killer mutant, when they don't even put mask in streets, easing spreading. I hate mask, difficult to breathe when you walk stairs, but I put when I m in streets or stores, just for respect for others, even I don't worry much about covid and mutant, keeping on kissing girls from abroad or France.

Paulie97
01-28-21, 20:52
Well according to German inspectors, the AstraZeneca vaccine has a whopping 8% efficiency rate! You are spreading rumors from unnamed sources related to the over 65 group, and the German Health Ministry disavows it all.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html


And this is the only vaccine we are able to distribute globally to poor countries considering the temperature during transport. The other candidates too most likely have a far lower efficiency rate than the cash grabbing capitalists at the vaccine companies want to admit as well! Plus there is the potential of actually dying straight on once getting the Pfizer vaccine! But then again, we will all most likely be forced into taking the shots sooner or later, or we won't be allowed to travel nor get a job.Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory peddler that thinks adding exclamation marks will make their lies more believable. For whatever reason, monger forums attract these like flies to honey.

Paulie97
01-28-21, 21:01
Fact is, vaccines have hardly ever worked. This isn't a "fact" but a ridiculous lie. I'd be laughing my ass off if there weren't a bunch of people out there dumb enough to believe you.


It is a planned virus, made in a gain-of-function lab.Yawn. This isn't the information age, it's the misinformation, click bait age where lies are sold to dumb people. Just ask Alex Jones. It's all very profitable.

Mursenary
01-28-21, 22:32
We're still waiting for you to post links to long term efficacy and side effects studies.Seriously. Just try to not contribute to the problem. All of you.

Paulie97
01-28-21, 22:39
You don't have to be part of the solution, but at least get out of the way.Such a request amounts to a waste of breath or typing energy, whichever the case may be. He's going to get in the way at every opportunity while relishing each moment. There's a subset, typically dumb white Americans and Euros full of misguided passion and fringe media sources, that we are going to have to live with. The line gets drawn when they start to get violent. And private media platforms can of course censor them as they wish.

Mursenary
01-28-21, 23:31
1st November: 47 000 deaths in UK, 37000 in France.

26 January: 100 000 in UK, 74 000 in France.

100 000-47 000=53 000,74 000-37 000=37 000.

Just like 2020-2007=13 and not 10. And 50+25=75 not 100.We need to be more culturally sensitive. Leprechaun math is different. Something about conversion rates for the schillings in the pot of gold.

Mursenary
01-28-21, 23:54
Dying with or dying from Covid19 is a big difference, and generally isn't mentioned in the media, just like any normal flu is suddenly labelled "Covid19."Whatever cause of death you want to label it, the net effect of all of this is that ICU's are over capacity despite hospitals doubling and tripling their allotment of ICU beds, doctors, and nurses. Cities aren't using sporting venues to treat the less sick just because healthcare workers wanted a change of scenery. I personally will be seeing patients in a unit constructed from shipping containers tonight. Not sure why we'd go through the trouble of constructing this multi-mullion dollar temporary facility just to keep up the covid charade.

Really man, just step way from this topic. I think deep down you know better and I'll leave this as an appeal to your morality.

Mursenary
01-29-21, 00:15
Polio, smallpox, tetanos, rabid? Doesn't work?.You know how many times that statement has been ignored by the guys here rooting against the vaccine?

ExpatLover
01-29-21, 01:25
More than 4000 deaths in US on last day, wish for news mistake. Biden has really hard job after crazy, when he seems so much more clever for words: unity, peace and supporting US employment and companies, then even as foreigner, but can only agree with him. Wish him to make US much better again.

Everybody in Western Europe except few bullshting specialists here, tell UK is the most risky country for virus with their mutant spreading now in Europe and no revenge about brexit, Europeans would just prefer they don't send us their more killer mutant, when they don't even put mask in streets, easing spreading. I hate mask, difficult to breathe when you walk stairs, but I put when I m in streets or stores, just for respect for others, even I don't worry much about covid and mutant, keeping on kissing girls from abroad or France.Biden was vice President for 8 years, he and Obama made Trump possible, both have a big responsibility. He is not a new comer and nothing will really change in the US.

PumDiPum
01-29-21, 03:54
What mean 1,8 million German cured? Vaccined? Then protected for how long? Really protected versus mutants? I think Germany is clever to try to protect their citizens health. Much more important than brothels.Could I say Siri? I think so. I took your questions from the general info thread to the chat, not to mess up the other thread.

Sorry for my amateur English, I am trying.

"Cured" in the meaning of recovered. I guess every country has these statistics. Number of infections, number of recovered and number of "active" infections. So far Germany has overall 2.178.828 million corona "cases" and 1.883.700 million of them are counted as recovered. So do the math, Germany has about 240.800 "active cases". These "active" people are in quarantine, maybe.

Recovered people went through their infections. The majority of them are okay. Symptomless sick people are symptomless healthy now. Really. But of course, some have long-term problems. The virus is hitting hard, mainly the old people.

From what I know, you can get the infection more than once. But who knows anything these days.

So far Germany has vaccinated 2. 1 million people. But I don't know if they had already the second needle, the "booster". I think some of them still waiting for the second shot.

The vaccine helps against the mutants, of course, LOL, otherwise nobody would want it anymore. It is a ugly business. Creating so much fear is not healthy, especially for the old humans.

Of course government want to protect the health. But even some of the elderly are not okay with the way government is doing. You know, shutdown shit could make sick too. No team sports for the youth, no social contact's and and and. What comes after shutdown? Next shutdown.

What is concerning me the most, that so many people are choosing the "healthy prison" over the "sick freedom". If you believe propaganda.

For example, weapon industry is still open, because they are making Germany rich. But the puffs are dangerous? This is wrong.

Fuck the government!

(I posted "fake news" about the number of people who are right now in hospital. But the adults know how to handle information. Excuse).

Sirioja
01-29-21, 10:32
Biden was vice President for 8 years, he and Obama made Trump possible, both have a big responsibility. He is not a new comer and nothing will really change in the US.I think they can't be much worst than Trump made them with 430.000 covid deaths, exploding unemployment, even threatening democracy, supporting racism. At least, Biden seems a bit more clever and safe for his words. I wish them better days when they had 2 pandemics: virus and crazy.

HammerTime96
01-29-21, 10:33
Seriously. Just try to not contribute to the problem. All of you.Ah yes, now we're getting testy when we run out of links and arguments? If we don't follow Dictator Mursenary's orders, we all "contribute to the problem. All of you. " The big problem is people who switch off rational thinking, allow the media induced panic to permanently settle in, and who blindly follow their fascist government orders!

So let's have more lockdowns, because they work so well? Here is the WHO and their view that lockdowns do not work, and should only be used as a short term measure to buy a little bit of time for overloaded hospitals: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19.

Quotes: "However, these measures can have a profound negative impact on individuals, communities, and societies by bringing social and economic life to a near stop. " and "Governments must make the most of the extra time granted by 'lockdown' measures by doing all they can to build their capacities to detect, isolate, test and care for all cases; trace and quarantine all contacts; engage, empower and enable populations to drive the societal response and more."

By the way, you never post many links anyway, to back up your misinformation and lies. How come you almost never back up your claims? Is it just a huge gaslighting campaign sponsored by your Big Pharma buddies?

So with the WHO's recommendation to NOT have lockdowns in mind, we now go back to March 2020 and the "2 weeks lockdown to flatten the curve" lie, supposedly to reduce the stress on hospitals.

Here is a video of German and Austrian hospitals in 2017 and 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSrEXYQfJE Here is a video in English about the USA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKM_nV2luUI.

Notice a pattern here?

Why haven't governments increased hospital capacity in 2020? Why haven't they looked into successful treatments like Hydroxychloroquin or Ivermectin? Especially ivermectin seems to be very very successful in treating Covid19 patients (and would therefore be a huge help for overloaded hospitals! Yet nobody wants to talk about it.

Why? Is it incompetence from governments, or are they deliberately creating a crisis for their Great Reset? I'll leave it up to ISG readers to make up their own mind, but I expect the usual gaslighting posts from the usual suspects, without any proof.

Sirioja
01-29-21, 14:39
Could I say Siri? I think so. I took your questions from the general info thread to the chat, not to mess up the other thread.

Sorry for my amateur English, I am trying.

"Cured" in the meaning of recovered. I guess every country has these statistics. Number of infections, number of recovered and number of "active" infections. So far Germany has overall 2.178.828 million corona "cases" and 1.883.700 million of them are counted as recovered. So do the math, Germany has about 240.800 "active cases". These "active" people are in quarantine, maybe.

Recovered people went through their infections. The majority of them are okay. Symptomless sick people are symptomless healthy now. Really. But of course, some have long-term problems. The virus is hitting hard, mainly the old people..I wish Germany to be better than on beginning of this year, even being under strict confine since 1 month, but still in big trouble. More important in my opinions, than brothels. We just have to control to wait. No ski is much bigger frustration for me. Didn't you see shameful riots with hooligans breaking, burning, in NL, when government try to get less deaths, really crazy when I m sure they would cry if old mother died from virus.

Chongmal
01-29-21, 15:20
Biden was vice President for 8 years, he and Obama made Trump possible, both have a big responsibility. He is not a new comer and nothing will really change in the US.What do you mean nothing will change. Hedge funds and billionaires are playing games in the stock market and the everyday people will lose their life savings chasing the dream. Keystone XL pipeline is stopped so close to 50000 jobs are lost and subsidies to oil companies are stopped so gas prices start to climb, which will consume the increase in minimum wage. Biden has set in motion to stop deportations of people who illegally enter the country and to withdraw patrols along the borders, on land, in the air and at sea.

I don't mind immigrants. Let them fill out papers and enter legally like I did in Europe. If the French like Biden so much they should give him control of their country and feel the pain. Wait, then their wealth would all start Jumping the border to Belgium again.

Turgid
01-29-21, 16:51
Could I say Siri? I think so. I took your questions from the general info thread to the chat, not to mess up the other thread.

Sorry for my amateur English, I am trying.

"Cured" in the meaning of recovered. I guess every country has these statistics. Number of infections, number of recovered and number of "active" infections. So far Germany has overall 2.178.828 million corona "cases" and 1.883.700 million of them are counted as recovered. So do the math, Germany has about 240.800 "active cases". These "active" people are in quarantine, maybe.

Recovered people went through their infections. The majority of them are okay. Symptomless sick people are symptomless healthy now. Really. But of course, some have long-term problems. The virus is hitting hard, mainly the old people.

From what I know, you can get the infection more than once. But who knows anything these days.

So far Germany has vaccinated 2. 1 million people. But I don't know if they had already the second needle, the "booster". I think some of them still waiting for the second shot.

The vaccine helps against the mutants, of course, LOL, otherwise nobody would want it anymore. It is a ugly business. Creating so much fear is not healthy, especially for the old humans.

Of course government want to protect the health. But even some of the elderly are not okay with the way government is doing. You know, shutdown shit could make sick too. No team sports for the youth, no social contact's and and and. What comes after shutdown? Next shutdown.

What is concerning me the most, that so many people are choosing the "healthy prison" over the "sick freedom". If you believe propaganda.

For example, weapon industry is still open, because they are making Germany rich. But the puffs are dangerous? This is wrong.

Fuck the government!

(I posted "fake news" about the number of people who are right now in hospital. But the adults know how to handle information. Excuse).The irony is that in China life goes on as if nothing has happened. Crowded streets, clubs, gyms, trains, parties, etc. with no one wearing masks. What a pity they cracked down on prostitution there!

Mursenary
01-29-21, 19:49
Such a request amounts to a waste of breath or typing energy, whichever the case may be. He's going to get in the way at every opportunity while relishing each moment. There's a subset, typically dumb white Americans and Euros full of misguided passion and fringe media sources, that we are going to have to live with. The line gets drawn when they start to get violent. And private media platforms can of course censor them as they wish.Yep, you're right. But you still give people a shot and let them make their own decisions. Didn't hurt me any to appeal to his better angels and give him the opportunity to have a second of reason and logical clarity. We.

On the flip, being a incessant inbox bombing crybaby is also pretty distasteful.

He and Shoe are eerily like minded countrymen.

Beijing4987
01-29-21, 22:38
Ah, the wheel. The horse & buggy days. Industrial Revolution, anti Semite Henry Ford. Mister Boeing. Changes. "General Motors sets goal of going largely electric by 2035" Getting the message Neanderthals?

Pistons
01-29-21, 23:18
We need to be more culturally sensitive. Leprechaun math is different. Something about conversion rates for the schillings in the pot of gold.How interesting you brought up the Schilling! I like this! Monetary history! Do you know more about the relation / link between the money supply and politics / wars / disasters too? Or say a certain virus made in Wuhan?

Pistons
01-29-21, 23:24
This isn't a "fact" but a ridiculous lie. I'd be laughing my ass off if there weren't a bunch of people out there dumb enough to believe you.

Yawn. This isn't the information age, it's the misinformation, click bait age where lies are sold to dumb people. Just ask Alex Jones. It's all very profitable.The misinformation age has been with us for thousands of years. But with the internet, misinformation has been democratized.

You should read two books:

1. The Media is the Message. It shows how it is the actual medium (as in speach, tv, radio, internet) that drives the conversation paradigm.

2. The Prince. How state rulers have always relied on misinformation.

My two most well read professors at university have both been very clear about this. 99% of all we hear and read about in msm in misinformation.

We can go even further and say that everything we hear is misinformation. The entire reality we live in is subjective. And as soon as you hear something from another point of view, it is misinformation the very second you try to disect it.

Pistons
01-29-21, 23:31
No, it was according to German newspapers that quoted unnamed officials. This report has been denied by the German authorities. The explanation is apparently that 8% was the number of participants in the test of the relevant age range.

We'll soon find out if there was any truth to it.1 word: Spindoctors!

And you believe it because?

How do you pick out one article you choose to believe, and not the former?

I don't think you actually grasp the reality of blue feed / red feed.

Pistons
01-29-21, 23:35
Polio, smallpox, tetanos, rabid? Doesn't work?1. Are these diseases mutating at a high pace over time?

2. Never underestimate the result of other societal factors such as smaller households and improved cleanliness. When did the washing machine arrive? How was the case numbers year by year of those diseases prior to the vaccines arriving? Questions never asked in the grand scheme of cherry picked news agenda.

Pistons
01-29-21, 23:43
Ah, the wheel. The horse & buggy days. Industrial Revolution, anti Semite Henry Ford. Mister Boeing. Changes. "General Motors sets goal of going largely electric by 2035" Getting the message Neanderthals?Well, I know first hand how the oil / gas industry is poisoning the entire worlds ocean and the entire organic world ground up through PCB's. So we don't really have a choice. Coal is just as bad. The industrial age generation where the boomers are still at the helm are a major problem because of their indoctrination from a very young age, and a long life of lies. And the lie regarding Co2 is just a continuation of such indoctrinated belief system of lies. Propaganda. But CO2 is far easier to taxate than particular PCB's floating around, killing all life on earth eventually. So electric is the only way. I think Soros and some professors with a clue knows this, that is why the green agenda is being pushed. But what means to an end? Should we kill half the worlds population through covid, or through the vaccine of covid first? Well I am not taking it, and judging from the mutations seen in Brazil lately, you'd be brain damaged if you'd do. Damaged by propaganda. An industry rejoicing all the way to the bank these days!

Pistons
01-29-21, 23:48
Maybe its best 50% of the population dies just like in The Avengers. Given how stupid people are. Just like ants. Who cares anyway if an intergalactic motorway is being built through our neighborhood. Besides, it is not like we need labor going forward anyway. AI fixes that problem! So I am secretly cheering on the deep state! I just find it a bit hilarious how all the indoctrinated sheeps are refusing to think for themselves.

Either way, most 'people' are after all probably just NPC's in a computer generated simulation anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIi6Pytde8

Pistons
01-30-21, 00:22
You are spreading rumors from unnamed sources related to the over 65 group, and the German Health Ministry disavows it all.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html

Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory peddler that thinks adding exclamation marks will make their lies more believable. For whatever reason, monger forums attract these like flies to honey.If you want a professional term for this article you are linking me, lets just call it 'Crisis Management'. That is the textbook answer I will give you!

Sirioja
01-30-21, 00:44
The irony is that in China life goes on as if nothing has happened. Crowded streets, clubs, gyms, trains, parties, etc. with no one wearing masks. What a pity they cracked down on prostitution there!Parts of China = more than 18 millions people were closed, isolated. After Belgium, no strict lockdown but France will also close borders, even needing negative test from EU.

PumDiPum
01-30-21, 01:05
I wish Germany to be better than on beginning of this year, even being under strict confine since 1 month, but still in big trouble. More important in my opinions, than brothels. We just have to control to wait. No ski is much bigger frustration for me. Didn't you see shameful riots with hooligans breaking, burning, in NL, when government try to get less deaths, really crazy when I m sure they would cry if old mother died from virus.Some parts of night life are in shutdown since nearly a year, not a month.

The trouble is half as big as media makes it. Who is controlling the media and why that way how it is?

I think government is setting wrong priorities, like I wrote before, I think they should (and could) rotate the shutdown a bit. Just to keep the troops together! Not enough boobs in TV!

German numbers are falling, they have some kind of control. Germans are following the rules, even if it is tough. Small virus is not a big deal for German oaks.

You could ski in Germany with mask down the hill, together with the "rodel Raudies". All safe, no infections there.

I saw a few pictures of the riots. Attacking small shops and burning cars of poor people isn't that smart. But I liked how they attacked test stations and big (jumbo?) super markt chain. LOL. Don't worry about police, they have protection helmet and are trained well.

Maybe the protestors have a reason not to like new NL government. It's not a shame to hit the streets for freedom. It's a must!

Usually humans have one mother. Everybody who loose his mother would be crying, his own mother. No need to cry for months if somebody else loose his mother. It doesn't mean somebody is a bad human. Death is part of life.

Third world war! Try to have fun with it.

PumDiPum
01-30-21, 01:38
The irony is that in China life goes on as if nothing has happened. Crowded streets, clubs, gyms, trains, parties, etc. with no one wearing masks. What a pity they cracked down on prostitution there!The crazy Asians. If an Asian likes you, she smiles at you. If an Asian hates you, she smiles at you. If you ask an Asian "How are you?" she smiles at you, because the answer could make her "losing the face".

Now ask a Chinese if he likes Xi Jing Ping and the dictatorship government. Guess what he is doing? Right, smiling.

The Chinese are stealing knowledge, killing the Uiguren and arresting people who go to demonstrate for democracy.

Freedom for Hong Kong and Josh Wong!

The Chinese are number one when it comes to A. I. How impressive. The Chinese need no prostitution, they can't fuck. Ask the hookers!

And now imagine my face with a smile. Greetings.

Mursenary
01-30-21, 08:34
All of that to say "I have no references and was full of shit about autoimmune disease and altering human DNA and will continue to be a source of obstruction."

Will continue to wait.


Ah yes, now we're getting testy when we run out of links and arguments? If we don't follow Dictator Mursenary's orders, we all "contribute to the problem. All of you. " The big problem is people who switch off rational thinking, allow the media induced panic to permanently settle in, and who blindly follow their fascist government orders!

Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime96

Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.

In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years..

Sirioja
01-30-21, 12:28
Some parts of night life are in shutdown since nearly a year, not a month.

The trouble is half as big as media makes it. Who is controlling the media and why that way how it is?

I think government is setting wrong priorities, like I wrote before, I think they should (and could) rotate the shutdown a bit. Just to keep the troops together! Not enough boobs in TV!

German numbers are falling, they have some kind of control. Germans are following the rules, even if it is tough. Small virus is not a big deal for German oaks.

You could ski in Germany with mask down the hill, together with the "rodel Raudies". All safe, no infections there.

I saw a few pictures of the riots. Attacking small shops and burning cars of poor people isn't that smart. But I liked how they attacked test stations and big (jumbo?) super markt chain. LOL. Don't worry about police, they have protection helmet and are trained well.

Maybe the protestors have a reason not to like new NL government. It's not a shame to hit the streets for freedom. It's a must!In my opinion, too many deaths in France, even 90% old, and same for most parts of EU and the world, except Africa and I'm very happy for them. I just don't care about Asia because they lie about figures. I think Germany and France try to do best they can to make as less deaths as they can, with now lack of vaccine. When I think Swiss polizei are robbers, but I didn't experience same in US, I worked with French police and also at the moment for safety conditions for my job, they just work for our safety even sometimes complicated to work with them, they are not different people than us, so even they can mistake and I sometimes argue with them, but only for words, but they should never be attacked when they provide our safety. I m pretty sure NL hooligans won t compete for Nobel award. I think just have to be patient to wait for old, weak, medical and at risk for job to be protected, and then warriors, ironmen and mercenary like me can decide for risk for their life, but I think to understand need to vaccine at risk ones every year and wish for efficiency versus mutants. WGs don t worry about virus, but they can give to many.

Turgid
01-30-21, 14:53
.....The Chinese need no prostitution, they can't fuck. ....But there are 1,442,539,900 Chinese. How did that happen?

Mursenary
01-30-21, 19:08
The crazy Asians. If an Asian likes you, she smiles at you. If an Asian hates you, she smiles at you. If you ask an Asian "How are you?" she smiles at you, because the answer could make her "losing the face".You're aware that there are like a a dozen Asian nations with different cultures, histories, governments, and physical attributes right? A Japanese and a Laos person has as much similarity as a German and a Romanian. Koreans and Indonesians as much as a Dutch and a Spaniard.

Pistons
01-31-21, 00:45
Death is part of life.Not really. These are opposite definitions. Or another way of defining death is that it is the terminating action that ends life.

Pistons
01-31-21, 00:53
The crazy Asians. If an Asian likes you, she smiles at you. If an Asian hates you, she smiles at you. If you ask an Asian "How are you?" she smiles at you, because the answer could make her "losing the face".Most people actually finds this question stupid. Or rather, it is culturally bound by definition. In some countries you get the standard response "fine" or "good". While elsewhere people are expecting a verbal biography lasting 30 minutes over a phone session with some female that is just bored and wants to talk to someone. While in other places, that question itself is considered stupid because it is too open ended. I actually adhere to the last. Not totally sure what all Chinese do, but China is a big country, so I suspect you will find a lot of differences. But don't define 1.4 billion people by female Tinder users in Shenzhen. Money is probably the only priority there. And they have their own scam bible no matter how silly and easy the scams are to avoid or read. The Thai scam bible is a bit more intricate, but even that is easily learnt. It just means they have more experience at it, and by that they might have learnt a set of different simple standard replies to this simple standard question.

PumDiPum
02-01-21, 02:18
In my opinion, too many deaths in France, even 90% old, and same for most parts of EU and the world, except Africa and I'm very happy for them. I just don't care about Asia because they lie about figures. I think Germany and France try to do best they can to make as less deaths as they can, with now lack of vaccine. When I think Swiss polizei are robbers, but I didn't experience same in US, I worked with French police and also at the moment for safety conditions for my job, they just work for our safety even sometimes complicated to work with them, they are not different people than us, so even they can mistake and I sometimes argue with them, but only for words, but they should never be attacked when they provide our safety. I m pretty sure NL hooligans won t compete for Nobel award. I think just have to be patient to wait for old, weak, medical and at risk for job to be protected, and then warriors, ironmen and mercenary like me can decide for risk for their life, but I think to understand need to vaccine at risk ones every year and wish for efficiency versus mutants. WGs don t worry about virus, but they can give to many.How many death in France? About 76.000 counted or / and declared in 11 month. I hope you didn't lost one family member or friend.

Germany has so far 57.000 death and about 83 million citizens. Maybe try to focus on all the babies who were born during that time. Should be way much healthier. Little babies are so cute. If I would shave 0.1% of my hair, nobody would see a different.

You really think Asia is lying about their numbers? German propaganda TV always try to sell Asian countries (for example Taiwan, South Korea) as role models for handling the plandemic as the best.

In Germany the police are not really normal people, it's more like their are standardised. Algorithm choose who is allowed to work for police. You need to be on the line and in some regions you become a mobbing victim if you don't like the Nazi tradition. Sad.

Safety? I guess you didn't protested against the new French "safety law" that should forbid people to film the police while they are beating us normal people? Are you a state lawyer? Again, no one should attack some one else, look at them officers, these guys are machines, fully armed. It's nearly not possible to hurt them. But good that they are "protecting the health".

From what I know, not only "hooligans" demonstrated for peace, freedom and a alternative shutdown politic.

I know academics, okay not Nobel award winners, who are very intelligent but don't know how to drive a bicycle or to find a hooker in a club. They need help from monger board, but still failing. LOL.

I wish you don't have to wait that long for your needle. The EU wasn't able to get it done and Pharma gang is greedy. Germany needed one month to give the first and second vaccine shot to only about 500.000 people. Now imagine German government would be able to turn up the speed and they would be able to make 5 million people per month immune with the vaccine, then it takes over a year to make enough people immune to reach "herd immunity".

Another full year shutdown?

Fuck the government!

The WG's worry about their health, at least the ones I met. Maybe the government should ask hookers who worked in January, February and March 2020 in FKK Clubs about their Corona experience. Theoretical they all had it.

Vive la France!

PumDiPum
02-01-21, 02:45
But there are 1,442,539,900 Chinese. How did that happen?This is a very good question. What happened to the "one child politic"? Maybe Xi Jing Ping should legalize prostitution, could help to avoid that they fuck around like rabbits. Or the Republic plans to take over the world and they producing more soldiers who are writing Internet comments.

1.4 Billions, this is massive. Thanks for the information.

PumDiPum
02-01-21, 03:02
You're aware that there are like a a dozen Asian nations with different cultures, histories, governments, and physical attributes right? A Japanese and a Laos person has as much similarity as a German and a Romanian. Koreans and Indonesians as much as a Dutch and a Spaniard.Yes, I am aware of it. Even I never was in Asia by myself. For example I heard that farmers usually have a more "darker" skin from working under the sun and the richer the Asian, the more he tries to keep his skin "bright" not to look like a farmer. A bit like Michael Jackson.

Isn't it weird? Some Germans go to the tanning machine to look more "brown" and some Asians want to stay "white".

Mei Mei.

PumDiPum
02-01-21, 03:15
Not really. These are opposite definitions. Or another way of defining death is that it is the terminating action that ends life.In Germany they have something like funeral service. And you don't need to be dead to go there. It is actually more like you need to be alive to celebrate the death.

My last visit at a funeral service was very sad, but after it was over we were getting really drunk. You ever saw a bot who had one in the tea?

PumDiPum
02-01-21, 04:48
Most people actually finds this question stupid. Or rather, it is culturally bound by definition. In some countries you get the standard response "fine" or "good". While elsewhere people are expecting a verbal biography lasting 30 minutes over a phone session with some female that is just bored and wants to talk to someone. While in other places, that question itself is considered stupid because it is too open ended. I actually adhere to the last. Not totally sure what all Chinese do, but China is a big country, so I suspect you will find a lot of differences. But don't define 1.4 billion people by female Tinder users in Shenzhen. Money is probably the only priority there. And they have their own scam bible no matter how silly and easy the scams are to avoid or read. The Thai scam bible is a bit more intricate, but even that is easily learnt. It just means they have more experience at it, and by that they might have learnt a set of different simple standard replies to this simple standard question.Always look in the eyes while someone (Asian, European, etc) is smiling. If the eyes are not "smiling" together with the lips, it could tell you that the one you are facing don't feel that comfortable or is maybe not smiling "honest".

But who am I telling this? Any hooker specialist knows it. "How are you? Where you from? You want to go to the room? Why not? I deliver great service!

The masks are a total disaster, especially for little children, they need to see the whole face of people. Masks are for gangsters not for newborns who should differ between the nurse and the mother.

Bring 1 million scientist with 10 million studies, which cost 100 million euro and then go out into the cold, breath hot air out of your lungs. You can see the cloud, the "virus cloud" and then take off the mask and breath out again. The cloud is definitely bigger and tighter, but the effect against "Aerosols" is overrated.

Masks off! Especially under open sky where nobody is around! But governments prefer to punish people who don't follow.

Stand up!

ExpatLover
02-01-21, 07:44
The crazy Asians. If an Asian likes you, she smiles at you. If an Asian hates you, she smiles at you. If you ask an Asian "How are you?" she smiles at you, because the answer could make her "losing the face".

Now ask a Chinese if he likes Xi Jing Ping and the dictatorship government. Guess what he is doing? Right, smiling.

The Chinese are stealing knowledge, killing the Uiguren and arresting people who go to demonstrate for democracy.

Freedom for Hong Kong and Josh Wong!

The Chinese are number one when it comes to A. I. How impressive. The Chinese need no prostitution, they can't fuck. Ask the hookers!

And now imagine my face with a smile. Greetings.Are you really sure that the things are so simply? Advice you to pass your Chinese driving license (like me) to drive alone several 100000 kilometers through China including the Muslim regions, may be you will get a better understanding that only the news from journalists who can t speak mandarin and can t travel alone in China. Most of the Chinese people are very happy about their impressive living tandard increase in the last decades, because for you the democracy is always the same choice between are and the in the US, like in France the FN represents 30% of the voters but have more or less no deputies, like in Germany after the elections there is always a coalition and at least 8 million poor people in the richest country in Europe, like in UK. Why are you not speaking about the rights of the Christians in Armenia, in the middle east. In many countries in Africa.

HammerTime96
02-01-21, 13:15
Global population: 7,8 billion (= 7800 million) https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/.

Total Covid 19 deaths: 2,3 million https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.

Covid 19 deaths as a percentage of world population: 0,029%.

Compare that to real pandemics, like the Black Plague (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death) and the Spanish Flu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu), which killed roughly 100 million and 17 million people respectively. And this is on a much smaller global population so the percentage will be much bigger.

And all this when the WHO even admits that lockdowns don't work: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19.

And when the infection mortality rate is 0,05% for people <70 (page 7): https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf.

P.S. With the Bubonic Plague, 80% of untreated patients died within 8 days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death#Bubonic_plague "Left untreated, of those that contract the bubonic plague, 80 percent die within eight days".

Perhaps it's high time for some forum member to look into PTSD counseling, because they have clearly been brainwashed and scared to such an extreme that they are afraid of living and are now actively destroying the P6 scene around the globe.

McAdonis
02-01-21, 13:25
On the flip, being a incessant inbox bombing crybaby is also pretty distasteful.Not just inbox bombing, but there seems to be a lot of derogatory language on General and Rants CV19 thread. If one finds himself constantly responding in anger at the keyboard, perhaps that is an opportunity to reflect. Do you have too much free time? Is your life that empty that you need IMMEDIATELY respond to any and all "attacks" on you?

If you have truly accomplished things IRL, then you should be used to a certain amount of criticism and haters. I once used Mesut Ozil as an example. When you reach those heights, harsh criticism comes with the accolades. Even if Mesut wanted to, he does not have enough time in the day to respond to even a fraction of his haters. That said, you don't have to be world famous celebrity to be "high profile". Examples: (1) Mesut as a relatively unknown teenage footballer growing up in Gelsenkirchen, (2) a nerdy scientist who speaks at conferences and is at the top of his field, (3) a pretty 21 yo instagram model with a few thousand followers. These people all attract their share of haters. They probably do not care what anonymous, random nobodies on the Internet say about them, because their sense of importance is derived elsewhere.

To be clear, I am not asking that the back and forth between ISGers stop. About ten percent of that is entertaining (when witty, original and creative). But the same tired lame jokes about Sylvana? I could probably live without that. Likewise the general looking down on others: some of the postings on ISG read like the manifestos that an incel would release prior to a mass-shooting. "I am entitled. I am a victim. Everyone is jealous. All these people are beneath me. These people are too dumb to recognize my superiority" etc.

BigBuddy69
02-01-21, 18:43
Perhaps it's high time for some forum member to look into PTSD counseling, because they have clearly been brainwashed and scared to such an extreme that they are afraid of living and are now actively destroying the P6 scene around the globe.No monger is destroying the scene. Most of the places are closed, so are the borders, you really think that the mongers decided this? You want to do like your Trumpet friends, go March on the FKK Sharks and break inside the club?

You should read again the article that you're quoting:


Large scale physical distancing measures and movement restrictions, often referred to as lockdowns, can slow COVID‑19 transmission by limiting contact between people.
WHO recognizes that at certain points, some countries have had no choice but to issue stay-at-home orders and other measures, to buy time.You all have trouble reading articles in Sweden? Basically they say that it worked as a last resort response.

Travv
02-01-21, 18:49
"Concerned that COVID fatigue may undermine adherence to the government's concoction of health edicts, disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci is looking closely at the Chinese anal test protocol.

"With reports now indicating that the shutdowns mandated around the world may have killed more people than the virus, that the CDC's recommendations against using hydroxychloroquine were mistaken, and the seemingly hypocritical behavior of many government officials from Gov. Gavin Newsom in California to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in Washington, too many people have become jaded and skeptical about the pandemic," Fauci said. "We need something dramatic to regenerate a healthy fear of contracting the disease."

"Fortunately, developments in China may be showing us the way," Doctor Fauci declared. "The Chinese government now says that anal testing for COVID is more accurate than the nasal swabbing we have been doing. They have set up anal swabbing stations at airports and other transportation venues where all who wish to travel must pass an anal swab test before being permitted to board a vehicle. Police are authorized to randomly pull people off the streets and swab them. Such humiliating probes dramatically make the case for obedience to the government's rules surrounding the pandemic—especially the rule to stay home. I think we can benefit by replicating their procedures here."

Fauci confessed to "drafting an Executive Order mandating anal swabbing and slipping it into the stack of documents intended for President Biden's signature. With any luck it will be signed within the next few days. The number of lives it may save could be astronomical."

Semisatire John Semmens.

BigBuddy69
02-01-21, 19:35
Likewise the general looking down on others: some of the postings on ISG read like the manifestos that an incel would release prior to a mass-shooting. "I am entitled. I am a victim. Everyone is jealous. All these people are beneath me. These people are too dumb to recognize my superiority" etc.Sex deprivation has a terrible effect on the P6 junkies. It fuels their paranoia and their mythomania.

Do you think that incels turn into SIMPS as soon as they get enough money to visit clubs?

Beijing4987
02-01-21, 20:35
Someone needs to read the WHO's position on lockdowns again for clarity. Please quote it here in its entirety, not a William Barr style synopsis dictated by a political position.

Mursenary
02-02-21, 02:10
Always look in the eyes while someone (Asian, European, etc) is smiling. If the eyes are not "smiling" together with the lips, it could tell you that the one you are facing don't feel that comfortable or is maybe not smiling "honest".

But who am I telling this? Any hooker specialist knows it. "How are you? Where you from? You want to go to the room? Why not? I deliver great service!

The masks are a total disaster, especially for little children, they need to see the whole face of people. Masks are for gangsters not for newborns who should differ between the nurse and the mother.
Most of my life this year has been spent in the hospital where everyone is wearing a mask for 13+ hours a day. Some have to wear an N95 mask for the entire day. It's amazing how much a person can adapt to the current situation. I've learned that smile has become unnecessary to read a person's attitude. Eyes and demeanor is enough, not ideal, but more than enough.

Turgid
02-02-21, 14:52
Always look in the eyes while someone (Asian, European, etc) is smiling. If the eyes are not "smiling" together with the lips, it could tell you that the one you are facing don't feel that comfortable or is maybe not smiling "honest"....Could that be used for mongering purposes? If the girl does not smile with her eyes she gives poor service and if she is smiling honest she gives good service.
Wish it were so easy.

PumDiPum
02-03-21, 02:07
Are you really sure that the things are so simply? Advice you to pass your Chinese driving license (like me) to drive alone several 100000 kilometers through China including the Muslim regions, may be you will get a better understanding that only the news from journalists who can t speak mandarin and can t travel alone in China. Most of the Chinese people are very happy about their impressive living tandard increase in the last decades, because for you the democracy is always the same choice between are and the in the US, like in France the FN represents 30% of the voters but have more or less no deputies, like in Germany after the elections there is always a coalition and at least 8 million poor people in the richest country in Europe, like in UK. Why are you not speaking about the rights of the Christians in Armenia, in the middle east. In many countries in Africa.No, I am not that sure, never. Again, imagine my face with a smile.

But I like to hold my point that the "loosing the face" thing is more an Asian thing.

Actually I liked the Asians I met so far, because they are a bit like me, shy, quite, respectful.

I know nothing about the politics over there. So how should I know what is more fun for the poor, the fake democracy in Europe or the Xi Jing Ping style.

Greet your girlfriend.

PumDiPum
02-03-21, 02:18
Most of my life this year has been spent in the hospital where everyone is wearing a mask for 13+ hours a day. Some have to wear an N95 mask for the entire day. It's amazing how much a person can adapt to the current situation. I've learned that smile has become unnecessary to read a person's attitude. Eyes and demeanor is enough, not ideal, but more than enough.Good that the whole world isn't a hospital. Imagine next year everyone has to wear a complete face mask where you don't even see the eyes. Of course people could adapt, but why should anyone. Face is what people makes unique.

I prefer a world without masks. Me evil egoist.

PumDiPum
02-03-21, 02:35
Could that be used for mongering purposes? If the girl does not smile with her eyes she gives poor service and if she is smiling honest she gives good service.
Wish it were so easy.From my humble experience, chance of a nice time is way much higher with a smile I like. On the other side, I don't like girls who are smiling during the "dance". I like them to look evil at me, LOL.

Back to Corona dictatorship, Germany today:

216.300 "active cases".

(without using a calculator, about 0.25% of the Germans are infected).

1. 954.000 are officially recovered.

(dark figure could be 10 times higher).

Attack the propaganda system!

Mursenary
02-03-21, 04:15
Sex deprivation has a terrible effect on the P6 junkies. It fuels their paranoia and their mythomania.

Do you think that incels turn into SIMPS as soon as they get enough money to visit clubs?That paranoia and mythomania is just a manifestation of childhood-adolescent trauma that spilled over into adulthood. It's rooted in lack of self-confidence. Tell yourself enough bullshit to get through tough realities and you forget when you're bullshitting yourself altogether.

Along those lines, I've definitely seen a noticeable increase in mentions of personal member size. Quite a strange behavior. My wealthy friends never speak about their finances without direct prompt, friends who are gifted athletes never mention their accolades when it's not the topic of conversation, and I certainly don't know a single person who ever mentions their dick size unless we're just a bunch of dudes joking around, and half of my friends are 90 kg, 1.9 m black guys!

That behavior is somewhat harmless, mostly just annoying as fuck. Oddly enough, that bullshitting yourself to persevere a positive sense of self is similar to the "power of positivity" mindset. Obviously positive thinking can be deployed as a immensely beneficial strategy; but as evident here, there's a fine line where that positive thinking crosses into the realm of being pathological; it becomes a mental disease. Anyway, it doesn't really harm others, and like I said earlier, it's just annoying as fuck.

However there are people whose mental trauma manifests as behavior that is detrimental to society. You see the guys diving into ridiculous conspiracy theories. It stems from the same roots of insecurity. The thing about those guys is that they're always the ones who have sucked at most things in life, resulting in grown men who never acquire social value. Conspiracy theories gives them the off chance of being right once in a full moon and getting a short taste of having some twisted sense of value. Most of the time it's harmless but then 2020 has shown how society's outcasts can become the biggest obstructionists to progress. See: USA Capitol Rioters, COVID downplayers, and anti-vaxxers. As yourself, have you ever seen the confident, "alpha-male" type guys dive deep into conspiracy theories or entertain fringe "news"? No, they're actually happy with their lives.

Pistons
02-03-21, 12:26
Likewise the general looking down on others: some of the postings on ISG read like the manifestos that an incel would release prior to a mass-shooting. "I am entitled. I am a victim. Everyone is jealous. All these people are beneath me. These people are too dumb to recognize my superiority" etc.In other words, not much difference from a political debate in the House of Commons?

When norms are left aside and people write freely, such polarity arise. Much helped by information stream on various new medias.

HammerTime96
02-03-21, 18:00
My wealthy friends never speak about their finances without direct prompt, friends who are gifted athletes never mention their accolades when it's not the topic of conversation, and I certainly don't know a single person who ever mentions their dick size unless we're just a bunch of dudes joking around, and half of my friends are 90 kg, 1.9 m black guys!

That behavior is somewhat harmless, mostly just annoying as fuck.Yet you constantly tout on this forum that 'you're the medical expert' here, and that everybody else's opinion is rubbish?

You're right though, it's annoying as fuck.

HammerTime96
02-03-21, 18:14
You are spreading rumors from unnamed sources related to the over 65 group, and the German Health Ministry disavows it all.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html

Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory peddler that thinks adding exclamation marks will make their lies more believable. For whatever reason, monger forums attract these like flies to honey.Another "tin foil hat conspiracy" dismantled:

Straight from the German Robert Koch Institute: "Der COVID-19-Impfstoff von Astra- Zeneca wird aktuell aufgrund der derzeit verfugbaren Daten nur fuare Personen I'm Alter von 18 bis 64 Jahren empfohlen; zur Beurteilung der Impfeffektivitat ab 65 Jahren liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."

First paragraph in blue: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2021/Ausgaben/05_21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile.

In English: "Last week, Germany's vaccine committee recommended it should only be given to people aged under 65, while the EU, which authorized it on Friday for people aged 18 and over, lowered its reported efficacy rate from 70.4% to 60%. In both cases, authorities cited a lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-oxford-exc-idUSKBN2A1263

Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked:". A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."

'Insufficient data,' yet somehow the governments and media are lying that there is hardly a risk of chronic (long term side effects of experimental mRNA vaccines that were rushed to market in 7-8 months.

Good luck taking this Frankenstein mRNA "vaccine," but don't come complaining in 5-10 years that you have developed neurological issues (perhaps impotence? Or have developed serious auto-immune sicknesses, while the unvaccinated people spent 2 weeks in bed with a normal flu in 2020 or 2021, and are back to chasing pussy in the sex clubs again!

McAdonis
02-03-21, 19:14
That behavior is somewhat harmless, mostly just annoying as fuck. Oddly enough, that bullshitting yourself to persevere a positive sense of self is similar to the "power of positivity" mindset. Obviously positive thinking can be deployed as a immensely beneficial strategy; but as evident here, there's a fine line where that positive thinking crosses into the realm of being pathological; it becomes a mental disease. Anyway, it doesn't really harm others, and like I said earlier, it's just annoying as fuck.Mental disease would be NPD:


Since reality does not support their grandiose view of themselves, narcissists live in a fantasy world propped up by distortion, self-deception, and magical thinking. They spin self-glorifying fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, attractiveness, and ideal love that make them feel special and in control. These fantasies protect them from feelings of inner emptiness and shame, so facts and opinions that contradict them are ignored or rationalized away. Anything that threatens to burst the fantasy bubble is met with extreme defensiveness and even rage.

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm
If the person with NPD is a parent, or someone in a position of power, they could certainly could do a lot of harm: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/how-narcissistic-leaders-destroy-within.


As yourself, have you ever seen the confident, "alpha-male" type guys dive deep into conspiracy theories or entertain fringe "news"? No, they're actually happy with their lives.Several celebrities and professional athletes have re-tweeted conspiracy theories. Wanting to be special and part of the in-group that is in the know is one motivation. But I think it probably has more to do with lack of trust in institutions and Dunning-Kruger effect. If you overestimate your intelligence and capabilities, then you believe you are smarter than the experts.


Sure, its typical for people to overestimate their abilities. One study found that 80 percent of drivers rate themselves as above average a statistical impossibility. And similar trends have been found when people rate their relative popularity and cognitive abilities. The problem is that when people are incompetent, not only do they reach wrong conclusions and make unfortunate choices but, also, they are robbed of the ability to realize their mistakes. In a semester-long study of college students, good students could better predict their performance on future exams given feedback about their scores and relative percentile. However, the poorest performers showed no recognition, despite clear and repeated feedback that they were doing badly. Instead of being confused, perplexed or thoughtful about their erroneous ways, incompetent people insist that their ways are correct.

As Charles Darwin wrote in The Descent of Man (1871): Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.

https://qz.com/992127/studies-find-high-achievers-underestimate-their-talents-while-underachievers-overestimate-theirs/

McAdonis
02-03-21, 19:48
Do you think that incels turn into SIMPS as soon as they get enough money to visit clubs?At this point, SIMP has been mainstreamed. It was popularized within small pockets of Internet in men's rights group, but now everyone in Gen-Z uses it. If NYT is writing about it, that means every Tiktok user in America (and by extension anyone in their 20's who speaks English) knows about it:


Its a person, often a man, who throws money or attention at someone else, often a woman, in order to win their affection. (It doesnt work.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/style/simp-history-slang.html.There are probably feel people going into debt due to the hobby. Or at least, have actively stopped saving for the future. An interesting discussion in German forum in the Off-topic under "Privatkontakt zu den Damen" thread, where one of the posters opens up on financially supporting a WG during the pandemic. It seems his current earnings are below his pre-pandemic earnings. He says he has the financial assets, but presumably he does not want to liquidate those. He mentions that he will soon probably take out a loan. And request a moratorium on a second loan (paying only the interest and not the principal). So he is making financial decisions based on the hobby and in particular this WG. I am not judging. I don't know the nature of his relationship. People are free to do what they want ofc. You can't bring the money with you to the grave, and if you have no family, then why not spend the money doing what you love while you can?

But I just wanted to point out that showering a girl in her 20's with money, time, and attention, if done in excess, is a turn-off.


It sounds really awful to say, but the guy Ive been seeing for a few months is just a total simp and its such a turn off. Im not talking about being romantic or a nice guy. I love that about him. Hes a good listener and is quite romantic which is awesome. But its like his life revolves around me. I feel like I have the power to click my fingers and hed come running (even though Id never). He wants to fill up my schedule with seeing him whenever I have some free time and I feel bad for requesting a day to myself. I can be out with friends and hell literally offer to be my taxi service home. I dont take advantage of this obviously. Theres being sweet and then theres just being submissive. It makes me feel really awkward and is really unattractive.

I have spoken with him about this, a few times, explaining that Im just not as needy or intense as he is, and its fine if he wants to find someone who can better fulfil those needs, but he just agrees with me and then tells me hell do whatever I want. Saying things like its sounds like youre just scared of having something so real. Most things I try to talk about him with he just agrees with or sides with me on, even if its not really how he behaves.

Mursenary
02-03-21, 19:54
Good that the whole world isn't a hospital. Imagine next year everyone has to wear a complete face mask where you don't even see the eyes. Of course people could adapt, but why should anyone. Face is what people makes unique.

I prefer a world without masks. Me evil egoist.Why adapt? Probably to respond to an unfortunate situation like responsible adults.

It sucks for everyone but sometimes you just swallow a bitter pill to get through tough times. The whataboutisms of more rules and regulations is just another logical fallacy using the slippery slope argument. That's the real fear-mongering going on here.

Dealing with covid this past year has been like taking a year long car ride with an 8 year old. Constant complaining and temper tantrums.

Lots of things make people unique. Personality, fingerprints,

Pistons
02-03-21, 20:27
Likewise the general looking down on others: some of the postings on ISG read like the manifestos that an incel would release prior to a mass-shooting. "I am entitled. I am a victim. Everyone is jealous. All these people are beneath me. These people are too dumb to recognize my superiority" etc.I actually totally disagree with you though. I mean, the sentiment you are putting up there is the same that Facebook and certain others are using to impose censorship on meanings and ideas. And that leads to a facist state, or facist rules.

People should have the right to say or write what they are thinking of in a democratic world. Strategizing, conspiring, researching or coming up with original, or non-original ideas are human things. The clue is to just ignore the people you disagree with. But this is again all just a blue feed / red feed discussion.

I think people rather has to consider what the meaning of the Internet is. And what it can and should be used for? Because what this all boils down to, is the overwhelming information flow we got on the internet. And add to that the democratization of transmitting ideas into new spheres of influence. (as in the 'Gesellshaft' by Jurgen Habermas).

I cannot recall where I read this, but some person wrote that the world will turn more and more into censorship in a fascist way due to all sorts of "good reasoning" (like the type of rethorics you are using). And it will be more and more censorship, surveillance and policing of everything. Until at one point the democracy will return and everyone will be free again. (maybe it was the end of 1984).

Part of what being free is, is to also live with the chance of your neighbor being a serial killer, or a psychopath. 300 or 1000 years ago, mad people and murderers were walking around on the street alot more than today. The people living back then just didn't know so much about them (at least in big cities), because the information was restricted.

Life is a risk, and that is how it should be. Otherwise I am calling the censorship choir for what they are: fascists.

Only partly related to this: Just look at how the hedgefunds now have joint forces in conspiring through mainstream media on the so-called 'Silver Squeeze'. Everyone who is following Wallstreetbets on Reddit knows that The Silver Squeeze is a complete lie and a hoax only so that Melvin Capital and other hedgefunds can earn back their losses in GME and AMC. Real fake news written in all the major newspapers. And I can assure you the hedgefunds have paid the newspapers for writing it. Over 100+ MSM channels are writing that The Silver Squeeze is an idea put up by members on wallstreetbets. The hedgefunds just want the people on wallstreetbets to sell GME and AMC so that they should buy into silver - The one thing hedgefunds loves above all other types of investments due to how the total amount is limited.

If it had not been for a democratic forum such as Reddit, these things would never have happened. If Reddit had gotten censored just because some people there weren't 100% adherent to some norm all the time, then the hedgefunds could have kept screwing people over on their savings just like back in 2009.

What started happening in trading two years ago (2019) was that trading fees got removed on many platforms. So the information got democratized. Just like ideas on the internet and on sex forums. In essence what this all boils down to is the medium itself. The trading platforms themselves is one medium that leads to certain behaviors: democracy, or no democracy. And the internet is another medium. And that medium is the message we are discussing.

I know I will just fall into the category of what you are describing here when I say that the people who disagree with what I am saying here is just not well enough informed. And they are scared of democracy. Scared of other people having free influence on the daily agenda. Etc etc. But in the end your post is nothing more than a circular rhetorical argument that means nothing more than that you mean the opponents in a discussion are wrong.

How about we just accept that blue, red, orange, purple or even pink feed is just as much equal. At least on a forum where people discuss what they are being withheld from acting upon (sex travels).

Mursenary
02-03-21, 20:44
Yet you constantly tout on this forum that 'you're the medical expert' here, and that everybody else's opinion is rubbish?

You're right though, it's annoying as fuck.As such, have I touted myself in a bragging manner or have I just shared knowledge like an educated adult? I'll again challenge you to produce a source.

I'll wait.

In whatever field in which you are trained, please feel free to share insight into your specialty. Since most people cannot be well versed in all fields of knowledge, perhaps we can learn something from your area of focus.

But if you don't do anything worthwhile that gives you a sense of self worth, I can't help your insecurities and sense of worthlessness.

Flame on brother, flame on.

Canary
02-03-21, 20:50
I really can't understand all the bickering on this website about vaccines, whether good or bad, who is lying, who is an idiot etc etc.

Some of the dialogue between posters is rather shameful point scoring and at times rather nasty.

We're all adults with a common interest of enjoying the delights of women whether it be in a FKK, massage parlour, brothel or as an escort.

We simply read and listen to the information given out by Scientists & Doctors (irrespective if you believe it or not) and make our own individual choices and ultimately whether to take the vaccine or not when it's offered to us.

No one is going to change their "point of view" on the subject reading people's strongly held views in a sex forum so why berate one another?

So for the love of god please try to tone it down!

On a lighter note I'm soon to be mourning my last visit to FKK Sharks which was in mid March last year, now that is something to moan about!

Mursenary
02-03-21, 20:52
Funny, most Filipinos, Laos, Cambodians, and Vietnamese I've met are hardly ever shy. Many are even pretty crass. Perhaps you are mixing your words again and are thinking of the Chinese and Japanese and calling everyone with dark hair and almond eyes Asian.


No, I am not that sure, never. Again, imagine my face with a smile.

But I like to hold my point that the "loosing the face" thing is more an Asian thing.

Actually I liked the Asians I met so far, because they are a bit like me, shy, quite, respectful.

I know nothing about the politics over there. So how should I know what is more fun for the poor, the fake democracy in Europe or the Xi Jing Ping style.

Greet your girlfriend.

Mursenary
02-03-21, 21:21
Several celebrities and professional athletes have re-tweeted conspiracy theories. Wanting to be special and part of the in-group that is in the know is one motivation. But I think it probably has more to do with lack of trust in institutions and Dunning-Kruger effect. If you overestimate your intelligence and capabilities, then you believe you are smarter than the experts.Let's examine those celebrities. In most cases, are the conspiracy, nonsense peddlers the alpha types? Or have they just stumbled on some parcel of success to become famous.

Say Kanye West, he's super successful in the music industry but a complete flop in most other areas. So what is his internal wiring? Dude has so many mental issues. I remember hearing on the Joe Rogan podcast another musician talking about how when he met Kanye before he was well known, dude was an awkward, shy dork. West was raised by a couple of academics who were tied to some extremist Blank Panther movements. This is not the be a criticism or racist, but due to their mistreatment in pre-civil rights America, many in the black American community still carry that mental trauma and pass it along to their children, in this case, to Kanye. You see a parallel in the Asian American community and perhaps in numerous immigrant communities across the globe. Exceptions: the ability for Turkish-Euro and Mexican-American communities to come together and form a unified community in a foreign land is quite admirable and perhaps allowed those populations to stave off some of the mental issues that other groups face. Anyway, I digress from the topic, alpha-types and lack of ridiculous conspiracy theory peddling.

I will give an example that checks out though: the politicians who knowingly peddle bullshit because they know it's a useful tool to manipulate those suckers who are actual conspiracy theorists suffering from aforementioned afflictions.

Mursenary
02-03-21, 22:05
Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked:". A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."

'Insufficient data,' yet somehow the governments and media are lying that there is hardly a risk of chronic (long term side effects of experimental mRNA vaccines that were rushed to market in 7-8 months.

Good luck taking this Frankenstein mRNA "vaccine," but don't come complaining in 5-10 years that you have developed neurological issues (perhaps impotence? Or have developed serious auto-immune sicknesses, while the unvaccinated people spent 2 weeks in bed with a normal flu in 2020 or 2021, and are back to chasing pussy in the sex clubs again!I'll ask you again to cite the quote. Pretty sure what I said was something along the lines of it being tested with the same rigor as other clinical trials for other pharmaceuticals.

It would help if you know the difference between Phase III versus Phase IV trials and during which period drugs are approved. BTW, it's after phase III. That phase usually takes several years due to enrollment and finances but each patient is not followed for several years as part of Phase III. Each individual's role in phase III ends after several months. At that point, those individual patients have already begun Phase IV which has no bearing on initial drug approval. Meanwhile new patients are added to the pool of Phase III participants. Phase IV continues after drug approval and drugs are then recalled if negative effects are discovered.

You seem like the type who would normally complain about bureaucracy and government processes taking too long. As such, I'm sure your argument here is out of character and only serves for you to deploy your nonsensical agenda. But carry on.

And again regarding autoimmune "sickness," still waiting. Altering DNA? Still waiting. I'll add your recent accusations to the list that you have repeatedly failed to produce. Predictable and reliable in failure.

Mursenary
02-03-21, 22:10
Rants sections and WTF you talking about. Even the Admins directed me here when I flamed a poster on another thread.

So basically, if you don't want to see mud thrown around, this thread is not for you.


I really can't understand all the bickering on this website about vaccines, whether good or bad, who is lying, who is an idiot etc etc.

Some of the dialogue between posters is rather shameful point scoring and at times rather nasty.

We're all adults with a common interest of enjoying the delights of women whether it be in a FKK, massage parlour, brothel or as an escort.

We simply read and listen to the information given out by Scientists & Doctors (irrespective if you believe it or not) and make our own individual choices and ultimately whether to take the vaccine or not when it's offered to us.

No one is going to change their "point of view" on the subject reading people's strongly held views in a sex forum so why berate one another?

So for the love of god please try to tone it down!

On a lighter note I'm soon to be mourning my last visit to FKK Sharks which was in mid March last year, now that is something to moan about!

Sirioja
02-03-21, 22:57
Portugal which managed quite well first, is now killed by UK mutant, and really difficult to get work from them at the moment. After Belgium, France closed borders even inside EU, to fight versus this dangerous mutant. German brothels should not open soon.

Samplerr
02-04-21, 01:45
Let's examine those celebrities. In most cases, are the conspiracy, nonsense peddlers the alpha types? Or have they just stumbled on some parcel of success to become famous.
Many MMA pros only have a singular talent, but by most definitions they'd be categorised as alpha types. Unfortunately, there's no shortage of nutcases in the MMA fighter's community, with Randy Coture being a notable example. Outside of the sports and entertainment / political worlds, the combination of self-made success and conspiracy theorist seems rare.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/9/15/21436458/comprehensive-list-mma-fighters-conspiracy-theories-qanon-covid-george-soros-politics

Mursenary
02-04-21, 02:54
Many MMA pros only have a singular talent, but by most definitions they'd be categorised as alpha types. Unfortunately, there's no shortage of nutcases in the MMA fighter's community, with Randy Coture being a notable example. Outside of the sports and entertainment / political worlds, the combination of self-made success and conspiracy theorist seems rare.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/9/15/21436458/comprehensive-list-mma-fighters-conspiracy-theories-qanon-covid-george-soros-politicsIt's clear to me now that I did a poor job of clarifying the term "alpha-male" as a previous poster also cited athletes to be alpha males.

To be clear, alpha-male, in my use of the term, does not refer to mere physical attributes and aggression. Alpha male in the 2021 practical sense refers to the leaders of men, someone who is confident and takes charge, someone respected by other men and usually desired by women. Physical features are only a part of being and alpha. Intelligence, genuine confidence (not the fake self-delusion variety), and controlled aggression are just as important to the alpha profile in the year 2021.

UFC fighters with chronic traumatic encephalopathies to me are not alphas; they're just Aggro men meant to be used as cannon fodder when their specialized skills are needed.

To be clear, I have no delusions of being an alpha myself. Perhaps a reformed beta if you will who's presently a Sigma, a Lone wolf who's generally welcomed by the pack / tribe. Less pressure, less responsibility than the role of an alpha.

Karen2
02-04-21, 03:39
Can you tell me what is MMA fighter I don't know what is this please tell me.

McAdonis
02-04-21, 03:47
Let's examine those celebrities. In most cases, are the conspiracy, nonsense peddlers the alpha types? Or have they just stumbled on some parcel of success to become famous.Jim Carrey is anti-vaxxer. Maybe not in a physical sense, but alpha in the sense that he chased his dream, instead of playing it safe. Shaq, Stephen Curry, and Kyrie Irving are all flat-earthers. All elite level athletes so I would say alpha. Back in the day conspiracy theorists were just random guys in aluminum foil hats sitting at home. Now, the Internet has democratized the spread of information, so everybody who has Facebook or Youtube has a platform. It's the loudest and most persuasive who become the arbiters of truth. They drown out the scientists. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/27/stephen-curry-kyrie-irving-conspiracy-theories-nba.

Pistons
02-04-21, 13:01
the politicians who knowingly peddle bullshit because they know it's a useful tool to manipulate those suckers who are actual conspiracy theorists suffering from aforementioned afflictions.1. How many politicians hold onto their pre-election promises once they win and get into power?

2. Name one single person in the entire world who does not believe there are conspiracies?

3. Define a "conspiracy theorist".

4. Are you a conspiracy theorist?

5. Who came up with the term 'conspiracy theory', and why? In rhetoric, when do we use the term 'conspiracy theory'?

Pistons
02-04-21, 13:06
Portugal which managed quite well first, is now killed by UK mutant, and really difficult to get work from them at the moment. After Belgium, France closed borders even inside EU, to fight versus this dangerous mutant. German brothels should not open soon.The UK mutant seems to also have been tempered with in a petri dish. Just throwing this into the fine discussion we are having here.

Basically, the capitalist system runners realized the original covid-19 was too weak and didn't last as long as to fulfill all the objectives. So it needed an upgrade. I kind of knew all along that this would happen. And it will go on with even more mutations throughout all of 2021, and most likely far into 2022 also. With new mutations that will require a second jab. If not nature fixes it, a petri dish will!

Pistons
02-04-21, 13:15
I also believe Blackrock is behind, or at least have the leading role in the entire Reddit WallStreetBets story we are seeing now. And they want to bring down all the other hegdefunds competitors globally. As noone can still be standing. Maybe they have even agreed to bring down themselves at the end too. And this crunsh among all the hedgefunds are just one more objective that needs to be completed before the entire Agenda, which covid is a smokescreen for can be completed.

Turgid
02-04-21, 14:03
Let's examine those celebrities. In most cases, are the conspiracy, nonsense peddlers the alpha types? Or have they just stumbled on some parcel of success to become famous.

Say Kanye West, he's super successful in the music industry but a complete flop in most other areas. So what is his internal wiring? Dude has so many mental issues. I remember hearing on the Joe Rogan podcast another musician talking about how when he met Kanye before he was well known, dude was an awkward, shy dork. West was raised by a couple of academics who were tied to some extremist Blank Panther movements. This is not the be a criticism or racist, but due to their mistreatment in pre-civil rights America, many in the black American community still carry that mental trauma and pass it along to their children, in this case, to Kanye....But Kanye West was a huge Trump supporter.

Sirioja
02-04-21, 20:25
The UK mutant seems to also have been tempered with in a petri dish. Just throwing this into the fine discussion we are having here.

Basically, the capitalist system runners realized the original covid-19 was too weak and didn't last as long as to fulfill all the objectives. So it needed an upgrade. I kind of knew all along that this would happen. And it will go on with even more mutations throughout all of 2021, and most likely far into 2022 also. With new mutations that will require a second jab. If not nature fixes it, a petri dish will!I don't know what created this killer in China, but I know much too many deaths and even more with UK mutant now in Western Europe. Legendary red devils of Liverpool are forbidden to enter by Germany, to play versus Leipzig in Champions League, when some UK rugby teams gave virus to a French team and a UK group was negative for tests in UK, but positive in France. UK were not the most careful about virus, not putting on mask, now they make panic in Western Europe.

Sirioja
02-04-21, 20:33
Jim Carrey is anti-vaxxer. Maybe not in a physical sense, but alpha in the sense that he chased his dream, instead of playing it safe. Shaq, Stephen Curry, and Kyrie Irving are all flat-earthers. All elite level athletes so I would say alpha. Back in the day conspiracy theorists were just random guys in aluminum foil hats sitting at home. Now, the Internet has democratized the spread of information, so everybody who has Facebook or Youtube has a platform. It's the loudest and most persuasive who become the arbiters of truth. They drown out the scientists. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/27/stephen-curry-kyrie-irving-conspiracy-theories-nba.When I read about alpha here, aren't alpha guys those playing US football in US universities with many cheerleaders girls running after them, but only accepted in university to play sport for university when these guys are not even able to count their fingers. Even they may make big money in sport, but they will never invent hot water, but just alpha low level for brain.

Paulie97
02-04-21, 21:12
3. Define a "conspiracy theorist".And in your very next post you answer your own question.


Basically, the capitalist system runners realized the original covid-19 was too weak and didn't last as long as to fulfill all the objectives. So it needed an upgrade. I kind of knew all along that this would happen. And it will go on with even more mutations throughout all of 2021, and most likely far into 2022 also. With new mutations that will require a second jab. If not nature fixes it, a petri dish will!The concept of a "conspiracy theorist" in our current culture points to people like you that, in response to certain events, allege all sorts of nefarious schemes by people in power, usually aimed at strengthening their grips on the masses. It has a negative connation only because when people such as yourself are asked for proof of your claims, you provide none while bringing out the exclamation marks and turning on the cap key. And if any evidence ever is provided it's almost always easily debunked, or is only some song and dance that isn't evidence at all.

But if you think this isn't so, then feel free to provide proof for the diabolical hoax you allude to above. And don't forget to prove who all is in on it, from scientists to politicians, corporations, and all the world over of course.

Paulie97
02-04-21, 22:24
I also believe Blackrock is behind, or at least have the leading role in the entire Reddit WallStreetBets story we are seeing now. And they want to bring down all the other hegdefunds competitors globally. As noone can still be standing. Maybe they have even agreed to bring down themselves at the end too. And this crunsh among all the hedgefunds are just one more objective that needs to be completed before the entire Agenda, which covid is a smokescreen for can be completed.And you have to ask what a conspiracy theory is? That is beyond hilarious.

Mursenary
02-05-21, 02:10
Jim Carrey is anti-vaxxer. Maybe not in a physical sense, but alpha in the sense that he chased his dream, instead of playing it safe. Shaq, Stephen Curry, and Kyrie Irving are all flat-earthers. All elite level athletes so I would say alpha. Back in the day conspiracy theorists were just random guys in aluminum foil hats sitting at home. Now, the Internet has democratized the spread of information, so everybody who has Facebook or Youtube has a platform. It's the loudest and most persuasive who become the arbiters of truth. They drown out the scientists. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/27/stephen-curry-kyrie-irving-conspiracy-theories-nba.I think we have to clarify some of the claims above.

First regarding Jim Carrey, I would have been disappointed if it were true. However, he has clarified that he is not Anti-Vaccination but rather is anti government mandated vaccination and brings up concerns regarding toxic preservatives but not vaccination itself. That's a perfectly rational stance, hardly a conspiracy theorist position. His own tweet and supporting article below:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/616144295234371584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E616144295234371584%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedcitynews.com%2F2015%2F07%2Fjim-carrey-is-adamantly-insisting-he-is-not-actually-anti-vaccine-despite-his-very-public-opposition-to-californias-new-law%2F

https://medcitynews.com/2015/07/jim-carrey-is-adamantly-insisting-he-is-not-actually-anti-vaccine-despite-his-very-public-opposition-to-californias-new-law/

Regarding the athletes, I'll point out to my previous post regarding alpha-men stating that physical attributes, while still a factor, is not the defining characteristic of an alpha. However, some clarifications for their flat earth positions. They were all pretty much just dicking around making fun of the conspiracy theorists.

Shaq:

www.cbssports.com/nba/news/shaq-was-apparently-trolling-everyone-when-he-made-his-flat-earth-comments/amp/

Kyrie:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/boston-celtics/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-says-he-does-not-believe-earth-is-flat-was-just-trolling

Curry:

www.businessinsider.com/stephen-curry-nasa-moon-landing-comments-joke-2018-12%3Famp

I'm sure there will always be examples of dumb jocks saying dumb shit but theseu cases were all just examples of them trolling the conspiracy theorists losers. Their trolling just furthers my position that conspiracy theorists are mostly society's bottom feeders hungry for any sort of validation.

Anyway, we are getting beyond the point. My point is that rational people entertain conspiracy theories once in a while, mostly just as a thought exercise or maybe just for shits and giggles. Even if those athletes believe in a conspiracy theory here and there, that may not be pathological. The actual conspiracy theorists are the full time, habitual guys that have issues rooted in some intellectual, psychological, or emotional deficiency. My theory is that it is due to a lack of authentic, realized self worth or realized social value.

This British clinical psychologist puts it more eloquently than I can, the last being the the most pertinent here:


www.apa.org/research/action/speaking-of-psychology/conspiracy-theories?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=apa-podcast-misinformation&utm_content=sop-bonus-conspiracy-theories

Three types of conspiracy theorists:

-So people with lower levels of education tend to be drawn to conspiracy theories. And we don't argue that's because people are not intelligent. It's simply that they haven't been allowed to have, or haven't been given access to the tools to allow them to differentiate between good sources and bad sources or credible sources and non-credible sources. So they're looking for that knowledge and certainty, but not necessarily looking in the right places.

-The second set of motives, we would call existential motives. And really they just refer to people's needs to be or to feel safe and secure in the world that they live in. And also to feel that they have some kind of power or autonomy over the things that happen to them as well. So again, when something happens, people don't like to feel powerless. They don't like to feel out of control. And so reaching to conspiracy theories might, I guess, at least allow people to feel that they have information that at least explains why they don't have any control over this situation. Research has shown that people who do feel powerless and disillusioned do tend to gravitate more towards conspiracy theories..

Mursenary
02-05-21, 02:12
But Kanye West was a huge Trump supporter.Supported him so much that he too ran for president.

Mursenary
02-05-21, 07:42
Third set:


The final set of motives we would call social motives and those refer to people's desire to feel good about themselves as individuals and also feel good about themselves in terms of the groups that they belong to. And I guess at the individual level, people like to feel... Well, they like to have high self-esteem. They like to feel good about themselves. And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access to information that other people don't necessarily have.

Pistons
02-05-21, 11:15
And you have to ask what a conspiracy theory is? That is beyond hilarious.No, I want him to define 'his' definition of it. There is a clear difference here.

A conspiracy is the same thing as a plan. Just two sides of the same coin, and the framing is different.

Pistons
02-05-21, 11:22
The concept of a "conspiracy theorist" in our current culture points to people like you that, in response to certain events, allege all sorts of nefarious schemes by people in power, usually aimed at strengthening their grips on the masses. It has a negative connation only because when people such as yourself are asked for proof of your claims, you provide none while bringing out the exclamation marks and turning on the cap key. And if any evidence ever is provided it's almost always easily debunked, or is only some song and dance that isn't evidence at all.

But if you think this isn't so, then feel free to provide proof for the diabolical hoax you allude to above. And don't forget to prove who all is in on it, from scientists to politicians, corporations, and all the world over of course.You choose what you want to believe in yourself. What you are asking of me demands personal information I am not willing to share online on a forum like this. But yet, I have quite a lot of first hand information of all sorts of things people like you would never believe. And you would call it a conspiracy theory. Heck, do you even know what lobbyists do for a living? It is a billion dollar industry that live on what you frame as 'conspiracies'.

The idea of nefarious is also questionable. As I mentioned already, I am cheering them on. The end goal is good. Some weak minded people like yourself just think their methods are evil in order to get there. And that is also why a lot of things has to be hidden from the public eye. As Machiavelli writes in his book The Prince.

Pistons
02-05-21, 11:24
Mursenary Let me tell you one thing. The biggest alphas in the world know conspiracies are true. Because they are the ones coming up with them. Simple facts.

Pistons
02-05-21, 11:25
Hell, I even partake in coming up with these nefarious ideas myself sometimes.

McAdonis
02-05-21, 11:44
Anyway, we are getting beyond the point. My point is that rational people entertain conspiracy theories once in a while, mostly just as a thought exercise or maybe just for shits and giggles. Even if those athletes believe in a conspiracy theory here and there, that may not be pathological. The actual conspiracy theorists are the full time, habitual guys that have issues rooted in some intellectual, psychological, or emotional deficiency. My theory is that it is due to a lack of authentic, realized self worth or realized social value.

This British clinical psychologist puts it more eloquently than I can, the last being the the most pertinent here:I agree with above. As do I with the two parts you excerpted from APA article. They offer generalizations that probably explain the subconscious motivations for 80 percent of the conspiracy theorist sympathizers and 100 percent of what you refer to as the pathological conspiracy theorists. However, we could make the same statements about people who fall for scams. Someone who works a minimum wage job (1) probably has lower levels of education, and (2) probably feels powerless and disillusioned. He is more vulnerable. He is exactly the type of person to save up a few thousand dollars to attend a seminar to be part of a pyramid scheme.

People who are desperate enough to see something will find ways to see it. A minimum wage guy fantasizing about wealth, will ignore the redflags when he hears about a get-rich-quick scheme. Middle-aged, socially awkward guy will ignore the redflags when a beautiful Eastern European girl half his age shows him attention. My main point is that emotions will always be a blindspot and even so called "winners" can be susceptible. As evidenced by Madoff scandal, many educated and powerful people also fall for scams.

In 2017, Robert De Niro appeared at a press conference with a prominent anti-vaxxer (he may have backed off the stance a little, but that is clearly not a case of being misquoted or trolling). De Niro clearly is a somebody. When he speaks, people listen, so I think we can agree that he is in that regard a leader of men. But De Niro's emotional blindspot is that he has a child with autism. https://www.vox.com/2017/2/15/14622632/robert-de-niro-rfk-jr-vaccine-press-conference.

TonyMontanaaO7
02-05-21, 15:28
Supported him so much that he too ran for president.The funny part was when West stated that he would run under the Birthday Party, because "when we win, it's everybody's birthday".

Pistons
02-05-21, 16:05
And in your very next post you answer your own question.In the next post I was being an analyst. Not a theorist.

Pistons
02-05-21, 16:12
Or do you mean that all analytics are conspiracy theorists?

Have you ever analyzed something and then thought to yourself: 'There must be a conspiracy ongoing in there somewhere'.

Well actually due to quantum physics, there is a subjective conspiracy in anything we analyze due to how observation is key to reality. So the generating force behind what you observe are actually conspiring against you at this very moment. And that is exactly why you have to read what I am writing here now.

Beijing4987
02-05-21, 18:41
Beam me up Scotty. No intelligent life here. We'll return in the next millennium, after the one cell amobeas evolve.

HammerTime96
02-05-21, 23:27
And you have to ask what a conspiracy theory is? That is beyond hilarious.Talking about the topic at hand, remember how people were saying it's just "conspiracy theory" that the Astra / Zeneca "vaccine" is not effective for people over 65?

Here is another "conspiracy theory" that has now become fact:

Straight from the German Robert Koch Institute: "Der COVID-19-Impfstoff von Astra- Zeneca wird aktuell aufgrund der derzeit verfugbaren Daten nur fuare Personen I'm Alter von 18 bis 64 Jahren empfohlen; zur Beurteilung der Impfeffektivitat ab 65 Jahren liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor. ".

First paragraph in blue: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt...ublicationFile..

In English: "Last week, Germany's vaccine committee recommended it should only be given to people aged under 65, while the EU, which authorized it on Friday for people aged 18 and over, lowered its reported efficacy rate from 70.4% to 60%. In both cases, authorities cited a lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2A1263

Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked: A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."

'Insufficient data,' yet somehow the governments and media are lying that there is hardly a risk of chronic (long term side effects of experimental mRNA vaccines that were rushed to market in 7-8 months.

Ararat
02-05-21, 23:32
But Kanye West was a huge Trump supporter.Wouldn't that be part of his mental issues? I doubt he was sincere.

HammerTime96
02-05-21, 23:36
Beam me up Scotty. No intelligent life here. We'll return in the next millennium, after the one cell amobeas evolve.Well, I'm so happy that you're so intelligent to judge that no one else here is not as intelligent as you.

However, there is one thing I don't understand: since prostitution is the "oldest profession in the world" and you're on a prostitution internet forum, then wouldn't that imply that your own evolutionary progress (from a "one cell amoebe" into a human) and dealing with the most basic of hardwired human urges, sex and reproduction, is perhaps not as "intelligent" and sophisticated as you'd like it to be? LOL!

PumDiPum
02-06-21, 04:29
Most of my life this year has been spent in the hospital where everyone is wearing a mask for 13+ hours a day. Some have to wear an N95 mask for the entire day. It's amazing how much a person can adapt to the current situation. I've learned that smile has become unnecessary to read a person's attitude. Eyes and demeanor is enough, not ideal, but more than enough.
Why adapt? ...Obviously you had to adapt because you wrote you learned too, while working 13 h in a hospital. I don't work in hospital, no reason for me to adapt. I prefer face, smile, stuff like that, old world.

Without propaganda TV the "corona problem" would be only half as big as it looks like.

How often you change the mask, heard it's necessary every 2 hours? Lately the biggest "corona eruptions" in Germany happened in hospitals or places for older people. Maybe the nurses don't wear the right masks, made in China.

I worked for two different doctors in my life. Never again I can tell you. They made more money with diseases than with health. So not much motivation to keep people healthy. Spooky. Hope it's different where you from.

PumDiPum
02-06-21, 04:32
Funny, most Filipinos, Laos, Cambodians, and Vietnamese I've met are hardly ever shy. Many are even pretty crass. Perhaps you are mixing your words again and are thinking of the Chinese and Japanese and calling everyone with dark hair and almond eyes Asian.Nice you liked my response to "Expatlover". (Check original posts) Or are you his cousin? I never asked the Asians I met so far "Where you from?" Expect one, he was from south Korea. A very nice guy, very nice parents I guess.

Yes absolutely, before I have no other indication, I call people who look like Asians, Asians.

Once I met a hooker from Thailand, the land of the smile, is it still correct, or is it now called the land of the smile behind a mask? However, she looked a bit like a femboy, or was it the other way around? Can't remember. Great person, a bit lazy in bedroom, but she cooked well.

Back to corona dictatorship again, not that the administration is giving me too many negative social points. I want to be a good citizen, not that the society starts to talk behind my back, calling me names and is pointing with fingers at the outsider. I want to belong to them and I have a face to loose!

A while ago I posted that Germany did till mid January 37.45 million tests. Does anybody know how many different people they have tested? I am asking because certain people are tested multiple times per week, for example nurses, cops or soccer stars.

Would be interesting, the number of tested people should be way much lower than 37 million.

Keep the cash money alive! Boycott the vaccine campaign! Sabotage the plandemic management! Give it to the tyrannical system! Fight the power! Do it like Merkel with the big fat wirecard strapon!

Free world, free thoughts. Peace to the Asian resistance crew, get your ass up!

Mursenary
02-06-21, 08:21
I agree with above. As do I with the two parts you excerpted from APA article. They offer generalizations that probably explain the subconscious motivations for 80 percent of the conspiracy theorist sympathizers and 100 percent of what you refer to as the pathological conspiracy theorists. However, we could make the same statements about people who fall for scams. Someone who works a minimum wage job (1) probably has lower levels of education, and (2) probably feels powerless and disillusioned. He is more vulnerable. He is exactly the type of person to save up a few thousand dollars to attend a seminar to be part of a pyramid scheme.

People who are desperate enough to see something will find ways to see it. A minimum wage guy fantasizing about wealth, will ignore the redflags when he hears about a get-rich-quick scheme. Middle-aged, socially awkward guy will ignore the redflags when a beautiful Eastern European girl half his age shows him attention. My main point is that emotions will always be a blindspot and even so called "winners" can be susceptible. As evidenced by Madoff scandal, many educated and powerful people also fall for scams.Definitely, as it's not ever a cut and dry, black and white situation. The situations like Di Niro seem to be just a goof up. We're not always "on" and like you said, emotion can cloud your judgement. We all slip, I know I do every so often, but I'll emphasize the it's the habitual attraction to conspiracy theories that reflects some sort of pathology.

However, I do want to emphasize the third part that was somehow cut out though. I think that subgroup is the larger sect we see in many of the discussions on this forum. It seems that most of the people here, even as ridiculous as they sound, do have some sort of post secondary education. That observation to me just emphasizes the fact that not all university educations are created equal. I don't think an undergraduate business degree really teaches many hard skills and how to actually think and process information. Successful business majors probably would have been successful in that field even without a fancy university degree. Anyway, I digress again.

The second group probably spills into the third group a bit as some probably fall into the powerless group. Think 75 K per year earner with an asshole boss doing meaningless office work that brings no sense of accomplishment. They're not big winners to feel empowered and they're not deprived enough to even garner pity. Mediocrity can be a living hell.

The third group however is pretty universal as humans have evolved as pack animals engrained with a need to belong. Even introverts need some minimum level of social exposure and validation to ease their higher threshold of loneliness.

Posting again for quick reference:


The final set of motives we would call social motives and those refer to people's desire to feel good about themselves as individuals and also feel good about themselves in terms of the groups that they belong to. And I guess at the individual level, people like to feel... Well, they like to have high self-esteem. They like to feel good about themselves. And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access to information that other people don't necessarily have.These posts always end up longer than I intend!

Mursenary
02-06-21, 08:57
Beam me up Scotty. No intelligent life here. We'll return in the next millennium, after the one cell amobeas evolve.I would be careful with the over simplistic denigration with pure insults without explanation. It just makes many of the people you look down upon hunker down even more. Plus it brings no entertainment value and doesn't further thoughtful conversation. For every half dozen or so fruitless conversations I have here, there are one or two interactions that provoke thought where I actually learn a bit.

Sirioja
02-06-21, 09:03
Can you tell me what is MMA fighter I don't know what is this please tell me.Very violent sport kicking with hands and feet. Like monkeys in a cage.

Mursenary
02-06-21, 09:30
The funny part was when West stated that he would run under the Birthday Party, because "when we win, it's everybody's birthday".That's actually one hell of a slogan, both for politics and marketing.

Mursenary
02-06-21, 09:50
The concept of a "conspiracy theorist" in our current culture points to people like you that, in response to certain events, allege all sorts of nefarious schemes by people in power, usually aimed at strengthening their grips on the masses. It has a negative connation only because when people such as yourself are asked for proof of your claims, you provide none while bringing out the exclamation marks and turning on the cap key. And if any evidence ever is provided it's almost always easily debunked, or is only some song and dance that isn't evidence at all.I think at the center of your descriptive portrayal of a conspiracy theorist, is the fact that they allege a lot of things. As in, they make a lot of assumptions. They leave so much up to chance. That's a soft ass move. Alphas don't leave that much up to chance. Alphas make power moves, crushing over chance. Meanwhile, conspiracy theorists lead with assumptions and maybes. They lead with that shit, when it should be kept stored away as an afterthought.

They're soft. That's the base of your description, conspiracy theorists are soft ass mothafuckers.

Sirioja
02-06-21, 13:53
After their own mutant killing so much until in Portugal, now south African mutant spread in UK who are forbidden in Germany, like red devils who are tested weekly. Wish vaccines will be efficient versus mutants, when Aztra Z is only for younger than 65, and not enough vaccine for older. Good deal could be sputnik versus Navalnyi and wife freedom, when Putin ex KGB loves so much money and fame. I remember arguing with few Russian escorts about him on our Russian nights.

Mursenary
02-06-21, 14:14
Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked: A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."
I'll ask you again to cite the quote. Pretty sure what I said was something along the lines of it being tested with the same rigor as other clinical trials for other pharmaceuticals.

It would help if you know the difference between Phase III versus Phase IV trials and during which period drugs are approved. BTW, it's after phase III. That phase usually takes several years due to enrollment and finances but each patient is not followed for several years as part of Phase III. Each individual's role in phase III ends after several months. At that point, those individual patients have already begun Phase IV which has no bearing on initial drug approval. Meanwhile new patients are added to the pool of Phase III participants. Phase IV continues after drug approval and drugs are then recalled if negative effects are discovered.

You seem like the type who would normally complain about bureaucracy and government processes taking too long. As such, I'm sure your argument here is out of character and only serves for you to deploy your nonsensical agenda. But carry on.

And again regarding autoimmune "sickness," still waiting. Altering DNA? Still waiting. I'll add your recent accusations to the list that you have repeatedly failed to produce. Predictable and reliable in failure.Takes 2 seconds to quote these old posts. Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it anymore true for the sensible. I'm sure you've managed to impress the easily impressionable though.

Mursenary
02-06-21, 17:05
Obviously you had to adapt because you wrote you learned too, while working 13 h in a hospital. I don't work in hospital, no reason for me to adapt. I prefer face, smile, stuff like that, old world.

Without propaganda TV the "corona problem" would be only half as big as it looks like.

How often you change the mask, heard it's necessary every 2 hours? Lately the biggest "corona eruptions" in Germany happened in hospitals or places for older people. Maybe the nurses don't wear the right masks, made in China.

I worked for two different doctors in my life. Never again I can tell you. They made more money with diseases than with health. So not much motivation to keep people healthy. Spooky. Hope it's different where you from.Of course. It's not preference but I'm saying it's not an insurmountable injustice. In fact, it's now become a skill to be able to read expressions without having to rely on smiles and full facial features.

As far as the coronavirus being made to sound bigger than it is, let me offer the alternate scenario. Say it was not made into a big deal. Say Wuhan didn't lock down their city. Say we let things occurred like they did in Milan and NYC. I think even the skeptics here can agree that those cities were complete messes and the death tolls were real. If we actually didn't respond as if it was a big deal, would you not conclude that many more large metropolitan centers would have faced similar chaos and death tolls? Imagine if we didn't take heed from Italy and NYC, are you okay with similar death tolls spreading to Barcelona, Paris, London, Mexico City, Tokyo, Jakarta, Bangkok, Saigon, Mumbai, Cairo, Istanbul, Athens, Rio, and Sao Paulo? Perhaps if we let it run it's uncurbed course, the pandemic may have fizzled out in 6 months, but would the death toll would have been worth it? The healthcare system collapsed in those first 2 cities. Standards of care were thrown out the window. It would have been carnage across a dozen to dozens of metro areas, maybe more.

The situations in Milan and NYC continue to be a point where you naysayers have zero reasonably logical retort.

As far as profiteering doctors, I can't speak for non-western medicine but I don't share your experience. Personally, I work in critical care and emergency medicine, keeping people sick is not an option. As for private primary / general / family care practice, I give zero validity to claims that there is a significant number of western providers who's goal is to keep you sick in order to make more money. Now, due to the compensation system, is there a culture to see as many patients as possible, sacrificing quality care for quantity of care? I believe that to be true almost for sure. Do some providers just clock in but mentally check out, only to provide cookie cutter protocol-based care that sacrifices nuance and individualized care? For sure. But outright prevalent mal-intent or profiteering? It's that prevalent in the western world.

Mursenary
02-06-21, 17:36
Nice you liked my response to "Expatlover". (Check original posts) Or are you his cousin? I never asked the Asians I met so far "Where you from?" Expect one, he was from south Korea. A very nice guy, very nice parents I guess.

Yes absolutely, before I have no other indication, I call people who look like Asians, Asians.
But if you impose the habits of one group of Asians to another group of culturally different Asians, you are doing a disservice. Not to mention that a Cambodians look as similar to Koreans as Greeks to Dutch.

Italians are Europeans and are social and outgoing, very warm in public, and often speak with their hands. Would you make the blanket statement that Europeans in general are also / do all of those things? No, you wouldn't do that when thinking of a German or Dane. I know you wouldn't. The rest of us in the world would like the same courtesy. Please and thank you.

Sirioja
02-06-21, 19:02
Of course. It's not preference but I'm saying it's not an insurmountable injustice. In fact, it's now become a skill to be able to read expressions without having to rely on smiles and full facial features.

As far as the coronavirus being made to sound bigger than it is, let me offer the alternate scenario. Say it was not made into a big deal. Say Wuhan didn't lock down their city. Say we let things occurred like they did in Milan and NYC. I think even the skeptics here can agree that those cities were complete messes and the death tolls were real. If we actually didn't respond as if it was a big deal, would you not conclude that many more large metropolitan centers would have faced similar chaos and death tolls? Imagine if we didn't take heed from Italy and NYC, are you okay with similar death tolls spreading to Barcelona, Paris, London, Mexico City, Tokyo, Jakarta, Bangkok, Saigon, Mumbai, Cairo, Istanbul, Athens, Rio, and Sao Paulo? Perhaps if we let it run it's uncurbed course, the pandemic may have fizzled out in 6 months, but would the death toll would have been worth it? The healthcare system collapsed in those first 2 cities. Standards of care were thrown out the window. It would have been carnage across a dozen to dozens of metro areas, maybe more.

The situations in Milan and NYC continue to be a point where you naysayers have zero reasonably logical retort..It was Bergamo in Italy, more than Milano, and I don't remember fridge trucks in streets there, but for sure too many deaths from covid and unfortunately not finished yet. I wonder which between 2020 and 2021 will have more deaths?

McAdonis
02-06-21, 19:24
However, I do want to emphasize the third part that was somehow cut out though. I think that subgroup is the larger sect we see in many of the discussions on this forum. It seems that most of the people here, even as ridiculous as they sound, do have some sort of post secondary education. That observation to me just emphasizes the fact that not all university educations are created equal. I don't think an undergraduate business degree really teaches many hard skills and how to actually think and process information. Successful business majors probably would have been successful in that field even without a fancy university degree.Summarizing all three parts once more: (1) lower levels of education, (2) feeling powerless and disillusioned, and (3) wanting to be part of a group. Wouldn't these also be indicators or predictors for religious fervor? I believe that generalization to be true, but of course, amongst the ranks of the super-religious, there are also many powerful, educated, alphas, who have not been alienated from the group.

Bill Maher had this to say about the conspiracy theorist movement that is currently in the spotlight:


If you accord religious faith the kind of exalted respect we do here in America, you've already lost the argument that mass delusion is bad.

Mega-churches play QAnon videos. It's the same basic plot. Q is the prophet, Trump is the messiah, there is an apocalyptic event looming. There is a titanic struggle of good versus evil. And if you want good to win, just keep those checks coming in.

We need to stop pretending there is no way we will ever understand why the Trump mob believes in him (QAnon). It is because they are religious. They've already made space in their heads for shit that does not make sense. When you are a QAnon fanatic, you are also a fundamentalist Christian. They just go together. That insurrection looked like a revival meeting with people praying around wooden crosses, waving the Christian flag, and "Jesus Saves" signs, yelling "Jesus is my saviour, Trump is my President"

https://youtu.be/zhTbtqOJA08..I am not sure if I share his opinion that QAnon and the Evangelical Christian communities are equivalent. Maher has a strong anti-religion stance. Personally, I have met Christian, Muslim, and Jews that are highly educated, sometimes in STEM fields, and I would like to believe that we had mutual respect for each other. I will say that they have never framed their beliefs as "facts". They acknowledge that their understanding of the world from a religious perspective is entirely faith-based.

Mursenary
02-07-21, 00:48
It was Bergamo in Italy, more than Milano, and I don't remember fridge trucks in streets there, but for sure too many deaths from covid and unfortunately not finished yet. I wonder which between 2020 and 2021 will have more deaths?Yes, he is right that the town of Bergamo was the posterchild and media darling for the Italian crisis. Closer inspection however reveals that the Lombardy region which includes both Milan and Bergamo was suffering last spring. For perspective, in March, Bergamo had 1100 of the 3400 deaths in the entire Lombardy region, about a third. Hmmm, I wonder where the bulk of the other 2300 Lombardy deaths were? Could it have been in the largest Lombardy metro center of Milan? Hmmm, I wonder.

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-LOMBARDY/0100B5LT46P/index.html

Anyway, meanwhile the army had to be called into Bergamo to haul away dead bodies. At the same time bodies were rotting in Italian homes waiting for 30 hours for a doctor to come declare them dead. They could have had the decency to at least keep the bodies cold in a fridge truck.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead

Meanwhile, fast forward to February of 2021. The USA and most of Europe has passed its peak deaths and will likely enter a period of steady / slow decline. Most countries except for France of course. For some reason, while most other developed western nations have seen the worst, France continues to see a rise in both cases AND deaths. Even Spain who seem to lag behind others but still ahead of France has seen a decrease in cases and is currently about to exit its peak deaths. Meanwhile France continues the steady incline of both cases and deaths.

Mursenary
02-07-21, 01:45
Summarizing all three parts once more: (1) lower levels of education, (2) feeling powerless and disillusioned, and (3) wanting to be part of a group. Wouldn't these also be indicators or predictors for religious fervor? I believe that generalization to be true, but of course, amongst the ranks of the super-religious, there are also many powerful, educated, alphas, who have not been alienated from the group..Nice observation in connecting the conspiracy theorist psychology to the extremely religious sharing those three qualities. Those people have eerie similarities to those who become part of cults don't they? Thinking that they are special with access to privileged information, meanwhile they're just like other cattle being led to slaughter. I'm certain that I've read several editorials regarding ISIS members being indoctrinated into the group in the same manner as gangs and their members. They are given a sense of group belonging united in some cause, principal, or code of ethics, basically a cult. Deeply evangelical Christians indeed share similar characteristics, they just only attend meetings once a week on Sundays, sometimes Saturdays for some sects. And they are not actively encouraged to kill cultists of other cults or members of other gangs.

Side note, do you think a significant number of the religious alpha types are actually super religious? Or were they just indoctrinated at a young age and just continue to reap the benefits of belonging or even having their guilt and fears of the afterlife assuaged? Or are they like those mega church preachers who pray on donations from the religious poor and naive elderly, think Billy Graham or even Donald Trump who professed to being a religious man. He couldn't even come up with a bible verse he admires or answer if he prefers the Old or the New Testament. Or even say "Second Corinthians" correctly, instead opting to say "Two Corinthians. " Anyway, he's a coward at heart that just wears an alpha suit anyway, so this diversion is beyond the point.

I do think that the ultra religious actually receive benefits from being a part of their cult. They actually do become empowered by the group and actually do get that sense of belonging. Conspiracy theorists however, especially those of the internet variety, never actually get that validation from others. They, in large, continue to be social outcasts which has a positive feedback loop causing them to dive further into their pathological psychology.

I will admit that I am doing a disservice. Those that seriously fall into the conspiracy theory world have been said to only be pushed further into that world when confronted or challenged. The gold standard of care for those people are to correct the root cause of illness. That root cause being, lack of authentic confidence, lack of belonging, and lack of education. Those are Maslow's higher level needs and enables a human to completely realize fulfillment. When fulfilled, there is no longer a need to fill the void that is the root of conspiracy theorist psychopathology.

Sirioja
02-07-21, 11:07
Yes, he is right that the town of Bergamo was the posterchild and media darling for the Italian crisis. Closer inspection however reveals that the Lombardy region which includes both Milan and Bergamo was suffering last spring. For perspective, in March, Bergamo had 1100 of the 3400 deaths in the entire Lombardy region, about a third. Hmmm, I wonder where the bulk of the other 2300 Lombardy deaths were? Could it have been in the largest Lombardy metro center of Milan? Hmmm, I wonder.

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-LOMBARDY/0100B5LT46P/index.html

Anyway, meanwhile the army had to be called into Bergamo to haul away dead bodies. At the same time bodies were rotting in Italian homes waiting for 30 hours for a doctor to come declare them dead. They could have had the decency to at least keep the bodies cold in a fridge truck.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead

Meanwhile, fast forward to February of 2021. The USA and most of Europe has passed its peak deaths and will likely enter a period of steady / slow decline. Most countries except for France of course. For some reason, while most other developed western nations have seen the worst, France continues to see a rise in both cases AND deaths. Even Spain who seem to lag behind others but still ahead of France has seen a decrease in cases and is currently about to exit its peak deaths. Meanwhile France continues the steady incline of both cases and deaths.When US had 4000 deaths per day just very few days ago, I don't even look now but they have their own Californian mutant, when EU countries close their borders even inside EU, ask Belgium or Portugal, or Germany which now forbid UK to enter, when after UK mutant but now south African mutant is spreading in UK and probably in Europe. Unfortunately, bad reality on beginning of 2021, when not enough vaccine to protect even only at risk ones. Worst situation now in Germany than under first wave 1 year ago, when they have more strict lockdown since end of last year, than in France. Even all for money Switzerland ask now to register to enter, with quarantine for most. I m pretty sure thousands of covid deaths daily around the world at the moment and until when? With more and more mutants spreading.

McAdonis
02-07-21, 13:47
Nice observation in connecting the conspiracy theorist psychology to the extremely religious sharing those three qualities. Those people have eerie similarities to those who become part of cults don't they? Thinking that they are special with access to privileged information, meanwhile they're just like other cattle being led to slaughter. I'm certain that I've read several editorials regarding ISIS members being indoctrinated into the group in the same manner as gangs and their members. They are given a sense of group belonging united in some cause, principal, or code of ethics, basically a cult.I was more or less relaying the Bill Maher commentary. As you said, with mainstream religions, ISIS or gangs, the members are usually born into it or they are indoctrinated at a young age. I would say that with gangs and maybe even ISIS, you do not have to necessarily buy into the ideology. Sometimes people join as a means of survival. And while there is perhaps an imaginary enemy, usually there is no mystical nature to it. AFAIK, MS-13 or ISIS do not believe in locusts, multi-headed dragons, or alien lizard people. And yes, one's entry into a conspiracy theory generally takes place in adulthood. I do not think that detracts from Maher's main point, which is: organized religion (specifically Evangelical) is the gateway drug to conspiracy theory movements like QAnon, because in his pro-atheist words, those people have already bought into one "mass delusion".


Side note, do you think a significant number of the religious alpha types are actually super religious? Or were they just indoctrinated at a young age and just continue to reap the benefits of belonging or even having their guilt and fears of the afterlife assuaged? Or are they like those mega church preachers who pray on donations from the religious poor and naive elderly, think Billy Graham or even Donald Trump who professed to being a religious man.Being a member of religious group (or in Trump's case proclaiming to be a member) accords social benefits. In the USA, 19 percent of households are above the $100 K threshold. Households from certain religious groups are over-represented in this $100 K income bracket. That said, there are no figures specifying how many of these households fall into "super religious" category. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/.

A Pew study was able to delve further into metrics that measure religious commitment and how they relate to education attainment. Their findings: "Overall, USA Adults with college degrees are less religious than others, but this pattern does not hold among Christians". https://www.pewforum.org/2017/04/26/in-america-does-more-education-equal-less-religion/.

In general, wealthier countries are less religious. USA is the only rich, western OECD country, where half the population still prays daily. About 19 percent of Americans are white Evangelicals, which is roughly 60 million people. Statistically speaking, I would imagine that there are super religious who manage to emerge from the pack to be a leader amongst men in their own parallel universe or even mainstream USA.

Traditionally, religion created a sense of community. Even socially inept people were included in the flock. Can't find a wife or GF or friends on your own? No problem, you could fallback on arranged marriages and prayer groups. Now people go into dark corners of the Internet to find that sense of community. Can't find anyone who will talk to you because you are annoying af? No problem you could just ramble on a sex forum. Does this more solitary lifestyle make people more vulnerable to being radicalized?

Mursenary
02-07-21, 18:59
When US had 4000 deaths per day just very few days ago, I don't even look now but they have their own Californian mutant, when EU countries close their borders even inside EU, ask Belgium or Portugal, or Germany which now forbid UK to enter, when after UK mutant but now south African mutant is spreading in UK and probably in Europe. Unfortunately, bad reality on beginning of 2021, when not enough vaccine to protect even only at risk ones. Worst situation now in Germany than under first wave 1 year ago, when they have more strict lockdown since end of last year, than in France. Even all for money Switzerland ask now to register to enter, with quarantine for most. I m pretty sure thousands of covid deaths daily around the world at the moment and until when? With more and more mutants spreading.Math doesn't lie and the peaks are behind nearly all European nations and USA. All except for France of course. Good thing Germany's new case numbers are back to where they were in November before the recent lock down. Deaths are down to pre-Christmas numbers. USA cases are back to November numbers and dropping with deaths having peaked in January. Smart people look at the trajectory of where things are going, not fixated on the passing present. Weather is soon to warm up, number of vaccinated will only go up despite slow rollout, no major holidays to cause large gathering events. Everyone in the western world is on the right trajectory, except France.

Mutants, mutants, mutants, blah blah blah. That sentiment would be taken seriously if you understand what mutants actually mean and how they affect disease. Regardless, case numbers and deaths are still declining despite your boogey man mutants. UK, South Africa, and California, the sources of your mutants have all seen drastic declines in daily cases and deaths despite your "fears". #Facts.

Mursenary
02-07-21, 19:10
I was more or less relaying the Bill Maher commentary.

And yes, one's entry into a conspiracy theory generally takes place in adulthood. I do not think that detracts from Maher's main point, which is: organized religion (specifically Evangelical) is the gateway drug to conspiracy theory movements like QAnon, because in his pro-atheist words, those people have already bought into one "mass delusion".Agreed, believing in angels and demons in the biblical sense definitely primes someone to accept ideas as facts without proof, making them more impressionable, influence-able, and susceptible to bullshit. Same soft mentality that conspiracy theorists have. Over reliance on maybes and what ifs.


Now people go into dark corners of the Internet to find that sense of community. Can't find anyone who will talk to you because you are annoying af? No problem you could just ramble on a sex forum. Does this more solitary lifestyle make people more vulnerable to being radicalized?Abso-fucking-lutely. The sad part is that a 25 or 35 year old conspiracy theorist who never finds that fulfillment through achievement or social acceptance will only become more of a nutcase 10 years later.

Mursenary
02-07-21, 21:49
Oh look, the entire world cv19 trend is down for both cases and deaths. Praise Jesus. Glory to Allah.

Mutants. Pfft. A speed bump at best. Wash your hands, wear your face masks, get the vaccine. Avoid unnecessary, unprotected close quarter contact and we'll continue this long road back to some form of normalcy! Maybe if we're lucky, there will be some form of international mongering by summer.

Mursenary
02-07-21, 21:51
Can you tell me what is MMA fighter I don't know what is this please tell me.MMA = Mixed Martial Arts.

It's a brutal sport but they are real apex athletes. Stamina, agility, and strength must be incorporated. Their training is more intense than most other athletes. Half of them might be dumb as bricks with brain damage but 15 minutes in the Octagon takes much more physical fitness than a half day "climbing" up a mountain or should I say walking up a mountain as climbing would entail belaying, gripping rocks with your hands, or traversing. They are real athletes in the octagon who must maintain top physical condition rather than being one dimensional endurance "athletes."

Sirioja
02-08-21, 00:31
When US had 4000 deaths per day just very few days ago, I don't even look now but they have their own Californian mutant, when EU countries close their borders even inside EU, ask Belgium or Portugal, or Germany which now forbid UK to enter, when after UK mutant but now south African mutant is spreading in UK and probably in Europe. Unfortunately, bad reality on beginning of 2021, when not enough vaccine to protect even only at risk ones. Worst situation now in Germany than under first wave 1 year ago, when they have more strict lockdown since end of last year, than in France. Even all for money Switzerland ask now to register to enter, with quarantine for most. I m pretty sure thousands of covid deaths daily around the world at the moment and until when? With more and more mutants spreading.New Biden telling on superbowl for more than 450.000 deaths. For sure these sad figures telling things are going better, when will go over 500.000. Same like week end will never be Bruce Springsteen who supported Biden.

BigBuddy69
02-08-21, 07:51
Oh look, the entire world cv19 trend is down for both cases and deaths. Praise Jesus. Glory to Allah.

Mutants. Pfft. A speed bump at best. Wash your hands, wear your face masks, get the vaccine. Avoid unnecessary, unprotected close quarter contact and we'll continue this long road back to some form of normalcy! Maybe if we're lucky, there will be some form of international mongering by summer.Well according to your second graph the trend is not very robust and the number of daily deaths is still very high.

Ararat
02-08-21, 08:15
Oh look, the entire world cv19 trend is down for both cases and deaths. Praise Jesus. Glory to Allah.

Mutants. Pfft. A speed bump at best. Wash your hands, wear your face masks, get the vaccine. Avoid unnecessary, unprotected close quarter contact and we'll continue this long road back to some form of normalcy! Maybe if we're lucky, there will be some form of international mongering by summer.What's your comment to the AZ vaccine being useless against the South African variant?

HammerTime96
02-08-21, 09:56
This is roughly what I've been saying for half a year now: mutations will render the "vaccine" mostly ineffective, and we will be in a never ending series of lockdowns, and "vaccines."

Title of the article: "Has the battle against the mutations already been lost?

Melanie Brinkmann, a German virologist who has the ear of Angela Merkel, declares (my translation): "And the answer is given by the Coronavirus expert. The pandemic will occupy us in 2022, because the vaccinations are not getting along fast enough. This race has long been lost. Everything else is wishful thinking, fed by the false promises of some politicians. " https://de.euronews.com/2021/02/06/kampf-gegen-mutationen-schon-verloren-die-warnung-von-melanie-brinkmann.

"Und die Antwort liefert die Coronavirus-Expertin gleich mit. Die Pandemie werde uns auch 2022 noch beschäftigen, denn das Impfen gehe nicht schnell genug voran. "Dieser Wettlauf ist längst verloren. Alles andere entspringt Wunschdenken, genährt von falschen Versprechungen einiger Politiker."

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Virologin-Brinkmann-Mit-diesem-Kurs-haben-wir-keine-Chance, brinkmann236. Html.

" Die 47 Jahre alte Virologin aus Neustadt am rübenberge (Region Hannover), die zum wissenschaftlichen Beraterstab von Kanzlerin Angela Merkel (CDU) und den Ministerpräsidenten gehört".

My translation: "The 47 years old virologist from Neustadt am Ruebenberge (region Hannover), who is part of the scientific advisory counsel of Angela Merkel (CDU) and the prime ministers.

Now the 'usual suspects' like for example Mursenary and McAdonis can post long off-topic stories or come up with all sorts of accusations of "conspiracy theories" in order to push my post to the bottom and out of sight.

Mursenary
02-08-21, 10:05
What's your comment to the AZ vaccine being useless against the South African variant?I think South Africa is being practical.

The recent AZ study in South Africa was strange. The study was only able to include 2000 participants with an average participant age of only 31. The press release stated that of the 1000 participants who received the vaccine, 19 eventually became symptomatic with mild to moderate disease while 20 of 1000 participants who received the placebo developed mild-mod symptoms. There was no mention of any cases of severe disease. My suspicion was that there were no severe cases because the average participant age was so young. Most 31 year olds would not have developed severe disease with or without vaccination.

As such, the study design was very limited. It was too small. It did not support efficacy in preventing mild disease but at the same time, was too limited to rule out usefulness in preventing severe disease due to the extremely young population studied.

When I say that South Africa is being practical, I am considering that they had the choice between AZ and JJ vaccines and decided to shift towards the JJ rollout. While AZ sorts out the data, opting to invest in a JJ vaccine that only requires a single dose while also already showing efficacy in protecting against severe disease in South Africa seems to be a reasonably strategic move. They are obviously looking for the cheapest and easiest to distribute vaccine as they did not even entertain the freezer stored 2-dose Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. JJ for poor nations, with its so-so efficacy in preventing mild disease but excellent efficacy in protecting against severe disease, seems to be the most appropriate choice. Single dose, refrigerator stored, decent efficacy, the JJ vaccine will be the budget vaccine of choice for poor nations.

Pistons
02-08-21, 10:39
What's your comment to the AZ vaccine being useless against the South African variant?You should stop listening to cocksuckers who believe being a beta sheep will get them a raise. Then again, he is from Thailand. Where men are not always men.

Pistons
02-08-21, 10:45
Well, I'm so happy that you're so intelligent to judge that no one else here is not as intelligent as you.

However, there is one thing I don't understand: since prostitution is the "oldest profession in the world" and you're on a prostitution internet forum, then wouldn't that imply that your own evolutionary progress (from a "one cell amoebe" into a human) and dealing with the most basic of hardwired human urges, sex and reproduction, is perhaps not as "intelligent" and sophisticated as you'd like it to be? LOL!The reason the angels ascended down to earth was only have the taste of female pussy.

Translated from quasi Bible speech that means we all once were AI. But then some thousands of us decided to enter human Avatars in order to get to have sex with beautiful women.

In essence, this is a step beyond super human AI.

Then again, it also means that 99% of all humans are only software programmed NPCs that only gets computer animated once you actually see them.

Pistons
02-08-21, 10:47
This dude Mursenary for example is one example of a computer generated NPC. You can tell by how he only copy paste ideas easily found in mainstream media and in simple propaganda funded textbooks made for ordinary bachelor programs at nursery school.