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Pistons
03-11-21, 22:25
Me: 100% correct in all my posts here on ISG.

I don't really know why I am wasting my time discussing with sheeples who 1. Spends the better part of a year trying to refuse my claim on how 90% of the cells in our body is alien and not a part of us. Mainly as the gut biome and bacteria and fungi as a result of what we eat, drink and the medium we live in (ph value, humidity, toxins, temperature etc). Forcing me to search up old studies I read ages ago. (I am just lazy at organizing all the stuff I read).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7162693/

"The cells of the human body, 90% of which are alien to it".

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4056765/

His best argument albeit refusing to admit he was wrong (as always) was that not all cells are equally large. LOL, way to go off topic.

And then moves on to also completely refuse the fact that all the microbes within us still communicates to our brain.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23010679/

In other words, all we are is a sum of all the communication happening to and from our brain, and 90% of it is not a part of us. Communication is the only field of study anyone needs to understand. Yet most people are too dumb to know this fact. AI engineers take cognitive thinking communication classes for this simple reason, and I've had professors who are at the forefront of AI globally.

Yet sheep nurses and his AA squad, mainly consisting of his other selves who just copy paste other people's idea ad nauseum don't understand this. As the nurse just pointed out: there is no science in the field of communication.

Look, the nurse and his AA class reminds me of this American boomer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2H8wx1aBiQ

He also does not understand how AI works. While the sheeps like him, the nurse, the big guy and the AA group still think communication science started with the onset of the internet. But it did not. Here is a few keywords for you: Milgram, Adorno, Lobbyism, Machiavelli, Religion. It is all communication science. AI is the culmination of all of this. In essence a communication field of study. And that is why all the top AI engineers are required to take communication subjects at master level.

And there are tons of lies around us. Everything we read and hear is part of some agenda.

For example, a real doctor or nurse is an expert in herbs and plant based medicine. A would be nursenary, or some big guy is just a sheep being told that western pharma medicine is made by scientists. LOL! 100% of it is natural remedies, mainly spliced in with some random toxin in order to get a copyright on the product being mass produced. The nurse didn't even know about tree bark, yet it is all around us. Yet he believes painkillers are made by some big pharma company. LOL!

As I have said here before, sheeps who are unable to think for themselves have no more worth than an AI algorithm. And that is why we are now trying to kill off all the idiot sheeps in the world with vaccines and their side effects. It not directly, then indirectly.

Pistons
03-11-21, 22:27
Actually this whole pandemic is being used as a test project in order to figure out who the AI holograms are, and who are self thinking sentient beings inside this AI we live in. It cannot get more scientific than this.

My only concern is if they force beautiful FKK girls to take the vaccines.

Sirioja
03-11-21, 22:38
When nearly 70% French medical, also medical in Germany, don't run for, now Norway, Denmark and Island stop with AZ, when less than planned Pfizer and UK mutant spreading. I'm very sad for Italy, no ski on this Winter, I will have to wait for Summer ski, to make oxygen. Wish for a great sporty Summer.

Pistons
03-11-21, 23:21
And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.

Mr Ho
03-12-21, 02:29
And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.Really? Cause infertility on men or women?

But this vaccines are unknown for how long they are valid, so it will be annoying to take it every year! I may choose not to take it as eventually corona will be another flu!

Mursenary
03-12-21, 03:58
Well, first of all, you aren't going to bone anyone bro without paying for it. Wink.

Second, you're logical fallacy is non-sequitur.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/non-sequitur

Because a tiny percentage have an adverse reaction to a vaccine it doesn't follow that the entire world should give up on it. And that's precisely why your views / faulty logic is consigned to the fringes where it belongs, among the followers / sheeple that lack even the most basic critical thinking skills.Don't waste your time man. It'll be a round about road trip to nowhere. Every time one of you guys quote that dude, I get a little reminder of the touch of crazy that you find in a public school special needs class. Forgive his ramblings about vaccines though, it's a sore subject for those autistic kids.

Pistons
03-12-21, 04:04
I do wonder. If Nursenary had been told to give people a toxic dose of 'vaccine with a 0.0001% kill chance. And he was being told that this would make him 80% totally immune covid. Would he have argued for injecting the entire population of Europe and North America? So out of 1 billion people, 1000 people would die from the vaccine? Would that make it fine? He would be a serial killer with 1000 lives on his consciousness.

How about if the vaccine had a 0. 001% death rate? Or a 0.01%, a 0.1%, a 1% or a 10% chance of death?

According to my assessment of our nurse here, and the big guy, both of them would be among the 65% of the population who would have killed 10% of the population if that was being asked by their bosses at work.

Welcome to communication science!

Pistons
03-12-21, 04:07
Given the Milgram Experiments results as the base of our new study.

ExpatLover
03-12-21, 07:02
And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.Today there is a kind of mainstream thinking mostly coming from journalists and politicians (coming from the same schools) the only solution to solve the pandemic is the vaccine, the vaccines are efficient and have no side effects. My friend got vaccined, 2 days back with the AZ, now he is very sick. My sister got the Pfister 1 month back and now she has the covid.

Ararat
03-12-21, 07:58
And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.Well, good news for the conspiracy theorists then is that the Israeli population has been vaccinated.

Pistons
03-12-21, 09:15
If we are going to continue training and evolving AI GAN networks in the coming few decades, it might be a make or break it for the human race as a whole to flip the Milgram Experiment results on its head. The majority of the human race cannot continue to be among the serial killer crowds as long as a superior entity only tells them to be such. The majority of the human race needs to be free thinkers. And this is a good reason why some infertility toxin in the vaccine taken on the majority by the non free thinking sheep's might actually not be a bad idea. Unless we all want Skynet to take over in 30 or 40 years time that is.

Pistons
03-12-21, 09:19
Well, good news for the conspiracy theorists then is that the Israeli population has been vaccinated.1. At least that is what you / we are being told. Did you examine all the vials?

2. Side effects may appear 10 years later.

3. All vaccines are different.

4. Each vaccine company can adjust certain toxins on different batches of production. Adding to cocktail effects.

HammerTime96
03-12-21, 11:49
In the meantime, 7 European nations suspend the Astra Zeneca 'vaccine:

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210311-covid-19-denmark-pauses-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-blood-clot-fears

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/11/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-suspension-intl/index.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-halt-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-rollout-after-blood-clots/

Keep on believing the lies from the Pharma Trolls here on ISG!

Remember how the 'usual suspects' here told you months ago that Astra Zeneca was 'safe' and how it was all one big tinfoil hat 'conspiracy' when someone pointed out the obvious problems surrounding this? Here are a few.


You are spreading rumors from unnamed sources related to the over 65 group, and the German Health Ministry disavows it all.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html

Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory peddler that thinks adding exclamation marks will make their lies more believable. For whatever reason, monger forums attract these like flies to honey.

As I've stated before the Oxford & Astra Zeneca vaccine is looking on target to produce results, further good news today.

Regards the Brazilian man who sadly died, he was on a placebo so it has no connection with the vaccine.

This trial is looking like the worlds best hope & unlike dodgy Chinese & Russian vaccines, this is going through all the safety checks.

The big question is how quickly will the vaccine be made available to the public so that we can once again return to FKK World with a reasonable level of safety?

https://apple.news/APazsU-bfTUG7u6JNv6aGVA
From what I can see the Biontech / Pfizer vaccine will be manufactured in Belgium and be distributed in EU first and then UK. For the Moderna vaccine, the CEO has already said they will distribute to US first and then to EU. AstraZeneca vaccine is expected to have similar efficacy as the Moderna vaccine (95%) and it will be manufactured in UK and Italy. I believe the first people to get the vaccine will be healthcare workers, then elderly people and then the rest of the population. Government are buying more vaccine doses than they need, so it's unlikely there will be shortages. The storage temperature issue is only theoretical as there are special distribution processes already in place. The Ebola vaccine was distributed in some regions in Africa very efficiently, even if it had to be stored at -20 C. If everything goes well, we will be back hand-in-hand with our girls in FKK by next Spring.

HammerTime96
03-12-21, 12:00
And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.Exactly Pistons, but what do people expect from a "vaccine" that was allowed to skip long term testing, and was giving Emergency Use Authorization?

Yesterday 7 European nations suspend the Astra Zeneca 'vaccine:

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210311-covid-19-denmark-pauses-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-blood-clot-fears

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/11/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-suspension-intl/index.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-halt-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-rollout-after-blood-clots/

Probably nothing right? / sarc.

Stop believing the lies from the Pharma Trolls posing as 'medical experts' here on ISG!

ExpatLover
03-12-21, 12:03
Well, good news for the conspiracy theorists then is that the Israeli population has been vaccinated.We have to wait to see and study the results of the mass vaccination in Israel. We can have a look about China, Japan, Korea where there is no mass vaccination but the things are under control, their economies are booming, the pandemic is just accelerating the decline of the so called western world, life expectation in the US went down 2 years. China is the only super power today but they are too clever and still let the US believe they are the number one. I know well both countries you just need to go by night in some places in NY, Miami, Chicago to understand that the US government is too weak even to control their own cities. Nothing like this is possible in China.

Tom Tigers
03-12-21, 12:33
And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.There is absolutely zero evidence of this, and this is basically stupid conspiracy theory bullshit.

Mr Ho
03-12-21, 12:46
True. But I think the smarter girls in the clubs actually know this. Whether the stories are true or not, they are aware as they allude to whales that pay for their company outside of the clubs or to extravagant locales. But many of the ones who have those types of customers still worked the clubs regularly as the income there is (was) more consistent. It even serves as a hunting ground for them to snag more whales. They could be sitting at home or in a hotel waiting for the big fish to call, but why not spend that down time making a few hundred bucks a day in the clubs.I fly, I land, I go too FKK, I wait for the stunner for usually hours, I find the stunner, I fuck the shit out of beautiful stunners in FKK, I eat, I wait for stunner for usually hours, I fuck the shit out of beautiful stunners in FKK, I sleep, I eat, I go to FKK, I wait for the stunner in FKK for usually few hours, I find the stunner, I fuck the shit out of beautiful stunners in FKK, repeat LOL!

Sirioja
03-12-21, 13:58
Actually this whole pandemic is being used as a test project in order to figure out who the AI holograms are, and who are self thinking sentient beings inside this AI we live in. It cannot get more scientific than this.

My only concern is if they force beautiful FKK girls to take the vaccines.For me, too many deaths in France and everywhere, even in Germany with more than 72000, millions of people losing job, and no ski for second Winter. Just facts.

Sirioja
03-12-21, 14:37
And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.How could we know? When vaccine only started on end of last year. Less babies in France under covid, but nothing about vaccine.

Pistons
03-12-21, 15:43
Stop believing the lies from the Pharma Trolls posing as 'medical experts' here on ISG!Like I posted here yesterday. These trolls here on ISG do not even know where the medicines comes from. They believe medicines are made by the pharma industry. While the real medicine is always found in nature. All the pharma companies do it to take ingredients from nature, add a toxin, repackage it, and sell it for profit.

And that is why the Pharmacuticles industry is the worlds biggest sector in lobbying. Bigger than oil and gas. Even at the peak of oil and gas. And the reason is that a lot of that budget goes into changing student curriculums. While other sectors focus on other types of communication.

Pistons
03-12-21, 15:47
For me, too many deaths in France and everywhere, even in Germany with more than 72000, millions of people losing job, and no ski for second Winter. Just facts.I agree. When just aprox 10 000 Pfizer vaccines had been set in Norway, 23 people had already died from the vaccine itself. When the media story was released, crisis management was adopted. A PR company I know got the job, and the story was changed slightly. Globally all countries now has received a message to cover up these deaths.

McAdonis
03-12-21, 16:04
Just look at Alex Jones, a guy with no higher education who references any far out source indiscriminately along with his own imaginations. He probably doesn't even know what a primary source is. But he's seen a lot of personal financial success selling hocus pocus vitamin supplements, gold and silver investments and survival gear. The misinformation draws a crowd for the sales pitch.In the age of social media, the truth will not always prevail. All you have to do is be loud, repeat yourself, and act confident as you repeat those "truths". It's about self-promotion. ISG might even be a microcosm of that: if you serial post you can change the narrative!


The "freaks and geeks" crowd have actually produced numerous productive contributors to society such as Musk, Zuckerberg, various innovators; however, the same phenomenon has produced the Timothy McVeighs, Adam Lanza's, and James Holmes.Musk and Zuckerberg ultimately found a crowd that would accept them. I imagine they laughed, had fun and formed social bonds with other freaks and geeks. The latter group would be characterized as loners. Loners are more susceptible to being radicalized or finding solace in online hate groups, constantly degrading people they deem to be "inferior". In short there is a difference between having nerdy friends, and no friends at all.


Arrogant people who are too lazy to actually learn the subject think that they know more than those who actually spent the time to learn and more importantly, understand.People thinking that they know better than the experts is the new norm. Trump's economic, military, or scientific advisors all knew more than him, but in his own mind he knew better, because he had "intuition". But I could see this trend continuing because the educational system (in the West since since the 1980's) instills a false sense of confidence in child's own capabilities. Instead of telling a child they got the answer wrong, and they need to work harder, they are told that their answer has merit too:


Psychological research has shown that uncritically lavishing praise on children who already have low self-esteem only serves to inhibit their performance. For example, teacher telling a low self-esteem child in art class that his/her low-quality drawing is wonderful might be expected to encourage great effort from the child in future to improve drawing technique. But, in practice, the lavish praise actually discourages the child from doing anything different in future lest the effort fails and the quality of the drawing actually disimproves. On the other hand, praising high self-esteem children for good performance does spur them on to greater efforts.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/self-esteem-is-great-so-long-as-it-is-rooted-in-reality-1.3692374

Rocky V
03-12-21, 18:14
In the meantime, 7 European nations suspend the Astra Zeneca 'vaccine:

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210311-covid-19-denmark-pauses-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-blood-clot-fears

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/11/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-suspension-intl/index.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-halt-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-rollout-after-blood-clots/

Keep on believing the lies from the Pharma Trolls here on ISG!

Remember how the 'usual suspects' here told you months ago that Astra Zeneca was 'safe' and how it was all one big tinfoil hat 'conspiracy' when someone pointed out the obvious problems surrounding this? Here are a few.In a more recent post you stated that AZ vaccine was actually banned in those countries. If you don't understand the difference between suspension (pending an investigation) and ban, I'm so sorry for you as your life must suck very badly! I hope you and Pistons stick to your beliefs and reject any vaccine and ANY medicine you will need / require in the future, so that Mother Nature can do the rest.

HammerTime96
03-12-21, 18:39
There is absolutely zero evidence of this, and this is basically stupid conspiracy theory bullshit.Another username from Mursenary? LOL!

"Zero evidence?" Have a look at the long term tests of all those mRNA 'vaccines' and you might be surprised.

Remember how there also was 'zero evidence' when people were warning that there were serious issues with the AstraZeneca vaccine? Well, this 'vaccine' was suspended by 7 EU countries and now also by Thailand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56369550

All "conspiracy theory bullshit," right?

P.S. 62% of Israelis believe a 4th lockdown is highly likely, *despite* nearly 90% of it's population being vaccinated: https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/03/09/poll-62-of-israelis-believe-4th-lockdown-highly-likely/.

P. P.S. Italy will lock down over Easter: https://news.sky.com/story/italy-set-to-impose-national-lockdown-over-easter-weekend-12243539.

Of course, it will 'only' be for a few days over Easter, just like the previous "15 days to flatten the curve" lies. / sarc.

Pistons
03-12-21, 20:32
Well, Zuckerberg and Musk are clearly free thinking conscious individuals. If anyone's definition of a freak, is to just not be a sheep, then there is probably something wrong with your framing. Musk for example just has a big interest in philosophy. Zuckerberg is more of a geek.

Loner is a weired term in this corona pandemic. But I will be dead honest with you here, the 4 sexiest girl at my gym would all be categorized as loners. IT programmer girls working from home, and one dentist student who mainly just reads all day. One is a nurse who only works at night or goes to the gym. Additionally I live with another girl falling into that category, and she only reads fantasy, works in a book store and goes to the gym and got the sickest bum muscles. Slightly too strong for me actually.

When all that is said, the covid pandemic has increased the rate in which the information age is transforming society. Information being democratized. In this transition there is bound to be chaos. But all you need to to is basically listen to what I write on ISG.

Sirioja
03-12-21, 20:49
I agree. When just aprox 10 000 Pfizer vaccines had been set in Norway, 23 people had already died from the vaccine itself. When the media story was released, crisis management was adopted. A PR company I know got the job, and the story was changed slightly. Globally all countries now has received a message to cover up these deaths.Not from AZ? Which is forbidden at the moment in 5 countries and Norway, but not in France where many medical don't want to get. When you think you are strong enough, can wait to make own little soldiers vaccine. Second bad winter, wish I will have good Summer, like previous and even better with Summer ski.

Sirioja
03-12-21, 20:59
We have to wait to see and study the results of the mass vaccination in Israel. We can have a look about China, Japan, Korea where there is no mass vaccination but the things are under control, their economies are booming, the pandemic is just accelerating the decline of the so called western world, life expectation in the US went down 2 years. China is the only super power today but they are too clever and still let the US believe they are the number one. I know well both countries you just need to go by night in some places in NY, Miami, Chicago to understand that the US government is too weak even to control their own cities. Nothing like this is possible in China.How can you know the truth in China? Where when you are not a sheep, you go to jail, like driving in Switzerland. Also what about so sexist country like Japan? Without crazy Trump, I would prefer to live in US, in Alaska, or San Francisco, or NY, Boston or Salt Lake, but I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason. Do Chinese know the word freedom?

PaulInZurich
03-13-21, 02:07
How can you know the truth in China? Where when you are not a sheep, you go to jail, like driving in Switzerland. Also what about so sexist country like Japan? Without crazy Trump, I would prefer to live in US, in Alaska, or San Francisco, or NY, Boston or Salt Lake, but I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason. Do Chinese know the word freedom?France, land of freedom? Victims of French police brutality and racism might disagree.

McAdonis
03-13-21, 03:36
I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason.There seems to be an exodus of French citizens choosing to live abroad.


The French consulate in London has estimated that up to 400,000 French nationals live in the capital, a number equal to the population of France's sixth largest city.

The Foreign Ministry recorded 1.6 million expats at the end of last year. But that figure only includes people who had registered at French consulates abroad. So the real figure is twice as high, says Hlne Charveriat, the delegate-general of the Union of French Citizens Abroad.

She told The Independent that while the figure of 2.5 million expatriates is not enormous, what is more troubling is the increase of about 2 percent each year.

Young people feel stuck, and they want interesting jobs. Businessmen say the labour code is complex and they are taxed even before they start working. Pensioners can also pay less tax abroad, she says.

Frances unemployment rate is hovering around 10 percent. As for high-earners, almost 600 people subject to a wealth tax on assets of more than 800,000 (630,000) left France in 2012, 20 percent more than the previous year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-say-au-revoir-france-over-two-million-french-people-now-live-abroad-and-most-are-crossing-channel-and-heading-london-9788348.html

In 2018, 7 out of 10 young French people (18-24 years old) plan to move abroad.

The causes of this decision would be their wish for adventure (46% of their answers) and their search for better career opportunities (40.4%).

Compared to the results observed two years ago, 51% of 18- to 24-year-olds would be more likely to move abroad.

But young people are not the only ones who want to live abroad. A third of French people are more likely to emigrate than they did two years ago. If we look at the data, we go from one million French expatriates worldwide in 2000 to more than 2 million in 2017.

The majority of French people would be looking for a lower cost of living (44.3% of the respondents) or a better standard of living (43%).

Last but not least, 23% of the French planning to leave want to do it for life.

The most considered destinations according to this survey are Canada, Portugal and Spain.

https://www.mondassur.com/en/your-news/health-during-trip/72-of-young-french-people-want-to-move-abroad/.
Todays migration isnt politically or religiously motivated, however; its economic. This is borne out by the makeup of the departing population, which consists disproportionately of young people, 70 percent of the migrants are under 40 and advanced-degree holders, who do their studies in France but offer their skills elsewhere.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/gloomy-france-13619.html.

Mursenary
03-13-21, 04:01
In the age of social media, the truth will not always prevail. All you have to do is be loud, repeat yourself, and act confident as you repeat those "truths". It's about self-promotion. ISG might even be a microcosm of that: if you serial post you can change the narrative!

Musk and Zuckerberg ultimately found a crowd that would accept them. I imagine they laughed, had fun and formed social bonds with other freaks and geeks. The latter group would be characterized as loners. Loners are more susceptible to being radicalized or finding solace in online hate groups, constantly degrading people they deem to be "inferior". In short there is a difference between having nerdy friends, and no friends at all.

People thinking that they know better than the experts is the new norm. Trump's economic, military, or scientific advisors all knew more than him, but in his own mind he knew better, because he had "intuition". But I could see this trend continuing because the educational system (in the West since since the 1980's) instills a false sense of confidence in child's own capabilities. Instead of telling a child they got the answer wrong, and they need to work harder, they are told that their answer has merit too:I agree. My point was to show that they come from the same childhood trauma of social rejection. The difference is how the person adjusts to social rejection. A healthy subculture can be very beneficial, while the wrong ones lead to attachment to far fringe subcultures that lead to pathological psychologies. "Freaks and Geeks" was an allusion to a 90's sitcom that romanticized geek culture, a trend of the time. As such, being a geek has adopted healthy connotations and as stated, led to productive members of society. On the other hand, people like Lanza attached themselves to online communities that promoted conspiracy theories not too different than the ones being spewed on this very board. Even though the "loner" group may not know the other members of the boards personally, it is still a community of like-minded people for them. That sense of community and the mindset that community promoted defines my definition of a subculture.

As such, social rejection does not have to define a person. Their choices in reaction to that rejection gives true insight into that person. Even acceptance into the nerdy subcultures still requires some polishing of social skills which leads to a more apt human. Retreating to online communities that romanticize privileged knowledge or special insights often produces a false sense of superiority, often aimed towards the people who "rejected" them. That being said, I must be careful as I don't want to be the victim of some crazy person's revenge porn fantasies.

BigBuddy69
03-13-21, 07:03
There is absolutely zero evidence of this, and this is basically stupid conspiracy theory bullshit.You know the same gang of clowns pretended last year that there was no evidence that covid was the cause of death of all the victims since they were old, with comorbidites, blah blah blah. And basically everyone will die sooner or later so don't change anything.

So now they should say that there is no evidence that the vaccine was the cause of all the severe incidents because most of the vaccinated were old, with comorbidites! You could try to explain them the concept of statistical significance but basically it would be wasted time.

At rocky, I think I love you! But no, since they're skilled scientists, I think they should try to cook their medicine themselves, in their kitchen!

Sirioja
03-13-21, 12:13
In a more recent post you stated that AZ vaccine was actually banned in those countries. If you don't understand the difference between suspension (pending an investigation) and ban, I'm so sorry for you as your life must suck very badly! I hope you and Pistons stick to your beliefs and reject any vaccine and ANY medicine you will need / require in the future, so that Mother Nature can do the rest.Yes AZ is only suspended for investigations and some deaths, but a bit worrying is many medical in France and Germany don t want to get. When lack of vaccine with delay for Pfizer, waiting for Moderna and Johnson, I just wish for less deaths, when Brazil get 2000 daily with crazy Bolzonaro. At least, US should have improved getting rid of crazy racist Trump when they had already so many deaths and not sure they can know for all, among their hidden ghosts living in the dark, hidden from administration. I m sad for Italians who reopened restaurants, museums, just for normal life and only until 6 pm, but fell again and under UK mutant. EU was right when planned mutant high peak would be on March.

HammerTime96
03-13-21, 12:34
In a more recent post you stated that AZ vaccine was actually banned in those countries. If you don't understand the difference between suspension (pending an investigation) and ban, I'm so sorry for you as your life must suck very badly! I hope you and Pistons stick to your beliefs and reject any vaccine and ANY medicine you will need / require in the future, so that Mother Nature can do the rest.Fact is: AstraZeneca is currently banned for use. Whether that ban is temporary or permanent doesn't matter.

Trying to catch me out on a single word illustrates how desperate you are, because you're running out of 'facts' and 'science' to defend your Frankenstein mRNA Vaccine.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02706-6

Adindas
03-13-21, 13:46
How can you know the truth in China? Where when you are not a sheep, you go to jail, like driving in Switzerland. Also what about so sexist country like Japan? Without crazy Trump, I would prefer to live in US, in Alaska, or San Francisco, or NY, Boston or Salt Lake, but I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason. Do Chinese know the word freedom?Well to me I prefer to live in FKK land like a king, a sultan surrounded by so many women. All you need is money. We only live once. Do not forget someday you might already need crutches.

BigBuddy69
03-13-21, 14:30
all you need to to is basically listen to what I write on ISG.Gurus say the same thing.

Then they ask for your money.

Turgid
03-13-21, 14:54
Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?

Pistons
03-13-21, 15:22
Not from AZ? Which is forbidden at the moment in 5 countries and Norway, but not in France where many medical don't want to get. When you think you are strong enough, can wait to make own little soldiers vaccine. Second bad winter, wish I will have good Summer, like previous and even better with Summer ski.As I wrote in the post you quote: Pfizer. Pfizer was the first company to distribute vaccines up here. AZ came 3rd. Also after Moderna.

Pistons
03-13-21, 15:23
Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?VitaminD supplements, or solarium.

BigBuddy69
03-13-21, 15:29
France, land of freedom? Victims of French police brutality and racism might disagree.And the women who are harassed or stalked in the streets because they wear a dress (in Paris for example).

Pistons
03-13-21, 15:31
I am intrigued at how much American Thai male nurses delve into psychology in order to try and project themselves as different from what they are describing. Usually if you google something, it is in order to help oneself overcome a problem. Just like I recently googled "how to trim my new beard the easiest" (damn it started growing this winter. 10 x more than in the past). Or "how to attach a wall mount properly". Or "how to sparkle a floor".

BigBuddy69
03-13-21, 15:40
I agree. When just aprox 10 000 Pfizer vaccines had been set in Norway, 23 people had already died from the vaccine itself. When the media story was released, crisis management was adopted. A PR company I know got the job, and the story was changed slightly. Globally all countries now has received a message to cover up these deaths.That's funny but I found no traces of your 23 deaths.

Instead I found 22 cases of blood clotting among three million people vaccinated.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccinations-as-a-precaution-after-blood-clot-report

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/03/11/denmark-norway-pause-rollout-of-astrazeneca-vaccines-over-blood-clotting-concerns/

I know you like big loud headlines like "90% of our body is generated by alien forces", but could you enlighten us and give us a reliable source from the private internet that you communication moguls use?

Just for the record, I know that every medicine has unwanted effects, and I try to take as less meds as possible, so I'm not questioning the fact the the vaccine could have caused those blood clots. I'm just wondering why you have a ratio of 23/10000 deaths and I just can find 23/3 000 000 severe secondary effects.

HammerTime96
03-13-21, 17:07
Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?Most probably you own immune system, unless you have severe underlying illnesses like obesity, cardiovascular issues, and-or immune illnesses?

Canary
03-13-21, 17:45
Fact is: AstraZeneca is currently banned for use. Whether that ban is temporary or permanent doesn't matter.So sad to constantly read misleading statements by some on here.

Although people with any sense will get their Covid info not from a sex forum.

Clodius1
03-13-21, 17:49
Today there is a kind of mainstream thinking mostly coming from journalists and politicians (coming from the same schools) the only solution to solve the pandemic is the vaccine, the vaccines are efficient and have no side effects. My friend got vaccined, 2 days back with the AZ, now he is very sick. My sister got the Pfister 1 month back and now she has the covid.Sorry to hear about your friend and your sister getting sick with the ChiCom bioweapon. I do believe that taking the Pfizer or Moderna are too risky if you still want babies or don't want autoimmune disease later in life. For me, I am waiting for old technology, Johnson & Johnson. Yes, I will get kung flu after J&J shot for sure, but at least I won't die or go to hospital. Good enough. Then, hopefully, FKK land spater in diesem Jahr!

Rocky V
03-13-21, 19:11
Fact is: AstraZeneca is currently banned for use. Whether that ban is temporary or permanent doesn't matter.

Trying to catch me out on a single word illustrates how desperate you are, because you're running out of 'facts' and 'science' to defend your Frankenstein mRNA Vaccine.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02706-6Hammer,

When a drug is introduced into the market it is subject to continued monitoring. This is because having tested it on a few thousand people will not give you the absolute certainty that it is going to work in other people with different comorbidities. Under normal circumstances, the few cases of serious adverse events that have been observed for AZ vaccines would not be worthy of notice because they occur at a very low frequency if you take into account the number of AZ vaccines that have been administered. However, because you would need to vaccinate billions of people, there is an even attention on the reported adverse events. The more serious ones, seem to occur at a handful of cases per million. Now would you across a bridge that has 1 in a million chances of collapsing or would you prefer to swim across an crocodile-infested river where you have significantly more chances to even die?

Sirioja
03-13-21, 20:46
Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?I wonder if, only for me of course, it is not to catch and fuck it. I don't advice this for at risk people of course and wish for them they will be protected, but won't be for long time.

Sirioja
03-13-21, 21:37
France, land of freedom? Victims of French police brutality and racism might disagree.My speed problem, when I was never flashed for more than 120 km / h on Swiss autobahns and only flashed on autobahns where maybe you know some parts are limited to 80 for snails driving RSQ7 or Panamera turbo S, for example from Globe returning to Zurich, and without any proof I was the driver when was never caught, is not only in Switzerland, but I was never put in jail elsewhere, even when was caught on motorway in Florida at nearly 100 for I think to remember 60 miles? From what I saw in Zurich jail, I know I m very different but I feel much more safe in France, when I rank Switzerland on same level than China and Russia, but I wish you will be able to understand this is not about Swiss people when I knew and still know so many who are just amazed when they know me and my behavior. Few months ago, when my crappy, office Audi was to change engine, when I returned to get it, I decided to test car Audi gave me, A1 40 TFSI, kind of WRC car, nobody in front on RN4 limited to 110 km / h, so I just pushed, sequential gear box on mode sport and full kickdown, unfortunately I was flashed by french motorbike army polizei, named gendarmerie, fortunately for me just on beginning of acceleration, 156 for 110 when they told me they had to push full speed for a while to get me when I was over 210 . Of course they made alcohol test = 0 as always, they told me I was lucky when they saw their speed on their motorbikes, but everything was courteous, I was not treated like a criminal. I was caught on German autobahn, more than 200 for 100 , and many other times in Germany, also in Belgium, was never treated like in Switzerland, even in US.

Sirioja
03-13-21, 22:16
Well to me I prefer to live in FKK land like a king, a sultan surrounded by so many women. All you need is money. We only live once. Do not forget someday you might already need crutches.Yesterday morning drove my crappy Audi for 400 kms on safety engine mode because electronic problem, was less than 40 km / h when motorway was around 8% steep, having to force for D2 with kickdown, when I would have been on 39/24 on crappy bicycle. Trucks went faster than me, listening about engine noise and if no vibrations but good balance. Audi were amazed I could do this, they immediately took the car, checked electronic and car was ready after 2 hours when full guaranty with unlimited kilometers. They even changed engine 4 months ago. At 3 pm, they asked me: you go to test in Germany? When I use to send them photos of GPS speed, much faster than Audi tests, I was quite close to Germany and not so far from Switzerland, usually I used to go to FKK land from there, but I thought only about returning home to see women slalom in Are. Sw, no Cleo nor Zeus which are open and no escort on my standard found in Paris. A bit far from addiction claimed by some here who just know nothing more than they would visit more often if only they could. Girls are right on the point I can control everything, even I really like to meet weekly when I find one on my standards for desire. And I know how it will be complicated for me when I will return, if I don't see a wow beauty. I remember when I returned after 3 months break, at Swiss Dietikon with some Globe girls and I drove for one, but I was not able to go to any, matter of images, no desire, I returned to Paris full balls, heavy to speed on RN19 making jump 4 wheels of the crappy Audi karting, my French Nurburgring.

HammerTime96
03-13-21, 22:47
Sorry to hear about your friend and your sister getting sick with the ChiCom bioweapon. I do believe that taking the Pfizer or Moderna are too risky if you still want babies or don't want autoimmune disease later in life. For me, I am waiting for old technology, Johnson & Johnson. Yes, I will get kung flu after J&J shot for sure, but at least I won't die or go to hospital. Good enough. Then, hopefully, FKK land spater in diesem Jahr!You won't necessarily "die or go to the hospital" if you catch the CCP Virus. Most people test "positive" without even knowing that they were sick. At my work, a colleague was scheduled for a knee surgery (she's a volleyball player and has messed up her knee) and by sheer coincidence found out that she was "positive" when the hospital tested her when she showed up on the day of surgery.

This 'virus' is so deadly that you need to be tested to see if you even have it, and this 'vaccine' is so good and reliable that you need to be forced to take it. Go figure.

On the WHO website: https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf.

Page 7:


The median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%).


For people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with
available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar. Whether the J&J vaccine will be good remains to be seen, but even 'normal' vaccines can be dangerous if not thoroughly (read: long term) tested. I'm NOT against vaccines, but I am against using anything that has not been thoroughly tested. It normally takes 8-10 years to develop a vaccine, yet now it's suddenly safe to license it's use after 7-8 months? Would you drive a car with 200 km / h on the highway if the suspension and brakes hadn't been thoroughly tested, also for long term wear and tear?

History has plenty of examples of vaccines that were rushed to market in order to satisfy the commercial (read: money) lust of the pharmaceutical companies. Here are some;.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

The Thalidomide scandal has shown that pharmaceutical companies don't give a fuck about humans, they only care about a quick buck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal


n the late 1950s and early 1960s, the use of thalidomide in pregnant women in 46 countries resulted in the "biggest man‐made medical disaster ever,"Once Bill Gates is done vaxxing billions of people with a barely tested mRNA vaccine, he will most probably be the new record holder! You want to see the long term Covid19 vaccine test? Look in the mirror, it's *YOU!

Pistons
03-13-21, 22:51
3 more health workers under the age of 50 now hospitalized due to brain bleeding caused by blood clots related to the AZ vaccine. So far only health workers have been given the AZ vaccine here, and not too many have even received them. Maybe just 3-5000.

Also, I wouldn't even want a blood clot anywhere on my body. Lifethreatening or not.

Pistons
03-13-21, 23:04
Gurus say the same thing.

Then they ask for your money.I just ask for your ahole, then I let other ISG'ers full of spunk due to the lockdowns get their way.

I'm just a simple guy that way.

Haokool
03-14-21, 00:31
They are still using AstraZeneca in France, which is their and. 1 and because well. They are French!

(but there is a rumor that they might stop it, and that would be not before 6 months and only after huge medias pressure).


Fact is: AstraZeneca is currently banned for use. Whether that ban is temporary or permanent doesn't matter.

Trying to catch me out on a single word illustrates how desperate you are, because you're running out of 'facts' and 'science' to defend your Frankenstein mRNA Vaccine.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02706-6

Mursenary
03-14-21, 02:08
So sad to constantly read misleading statements by some on here.

Although people with any sense will get their Covid info not from a sex forum.Those people probably migrated from the Parler app.

Mursenary
03-14-21, 03:37
Hammer,

When a drug is introduced into the market it is subject to continued monitoring. This is because having tested it on a few thousand people will not give you the absolute certainty that it is going to work in other people with different comorbidities. Under normal circumstances, the few cases of serious adverse events that have been observed for AZ vaccines would not be worthy of notice because they occur at a very low frequency if you take into account the number of AZ vaccines that have been administered. However, because you would need to vaccinate billions of people, there is an even attention on the reported adverse events. The more serious ones, seem to occur at a handful of cases per million. Now would you across a bridge that has 1 in a million chances of collapsing or would you prefer to swim across an crocodile-infested river where you have significantly more chances to even die?I applaud your effort to fight the good fight. Just know that you will never convince him, no matter how sound your logic. But simply stating your beliefs, when speaking from a logical and well-informed platform should always be encouraged. At the very least, some truly on-the-fence parties will heed the message.

However, I differ on one point. I don't believe the metaphor in the end paints the best portrait of reality. "Crocodile-infested river" is a little inaccurate. His camp does have something right. The super majority of people without chronic disease who are middle age or younger will likely only suffer from mild to moderate symptoms and rebound without much ill effects, at least not while they remain young and healthy. Briefly however, post covid sequelae including exertion intolerance and neurological symptoms from headaches to epilepsy remain a point of concern and investigation.

The point I prefer to make, which I still have yet to hear a rebuttal, is the scenario of an alternative responses to COVID19.

Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?

Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones. So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?

Other solutions?

Pistons
03-14-21, 04:57
That's funny but I found no traces of your 23 deaths.

Instead I found 22 cases of blood clotting among three million people vaccinated.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccinations-as-a-precaution-after-blood-clot-report

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/03/11/denmark-norway-pause-rollout-of-astrazeneca-vaccines-over-blood-clotting-concerns/

I know you like big loud headlines like "90% of our body is generated by alien forces", but could you enlighten us and give us a reliable source from the private internet that you communication moguls use?

Just for the record, I know that every medicine has unwanted effects, and I try to take as less meds as possible, so I'm not questioning the fact the the vaccine could have caused those blood clots. I'm just wondering why you have a ratio of 23/10000 deaths and I just can find 23/3 000 000 severe secondary effects.I have linked the story here over a month ago.

Anyway, you cannot be very good with Google if you were unable to find it.

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/world/covid-19-vaccination-23-elderly-people-dead-after-pfizer-shot-in-norway/story/428119.html

I also read the original statement. And that statement was tweaked after 3 days. As I said, due to crisis management.

And no, I am not sharing my sources. You really think I would jeopardize my job? How dumb can someone be?

Also, by looking at the number of shots having been made here prior to the news, and taking lag into account, I came up with 10 000 only. And this was after only 1 out of 2 jabs by the way.

PaulInZurich
03-14-21, 05:26
I wonder if, only for me of course, it is not to catch and fuck it. I don't advice this for at risk people of course and wish for them they will be protected, but won't be for long time.Sure, why don't you do that. Go ahead and start licking poles in the Paris subway.

Pistons
03-14-21, 05:27
Do you know Peter Daszak? The guy who lead the international investigation into the Wuhan lab on behalf of WHO?

Well, aside from the fact that he first let China get 12 months to prepare, clean and hide all traces, here is a fine interview by him 9 months ago where he splurged how easy it is to tweak the spikes on the corona viruses:

https://youtu.be/IdYDL_RK--w

He also knew the Wuhan lab personell who were studying bats gathered from Yunnan.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02473-4

So now go figure why this is also being covered up in the west.

But later on after the investigation was done, this same fraud of a guy suddenly turns 180, contradicts himself and say this very idea is impossible that the virus would come from the lab who were studying this transmission. Something he 8 months earlier in the interview I linked easily stated how easy it was.

Not to mention Li-Meng Yan's claim on top of this and how she said she knew the people who did the tweaks, and had talked to many of them about it several times.

PaulInZurich
03-14-21, 05:30
VitaminD supplements, or solarium.Riiiight, because there is no risk for using a solarium. And of course, people who spend most of their times outside (for example Eastern European agricultural workers working in Germany) never caught the virus.

PaulInZurich
03-14-21, 05:33
Most probably you own immune system, unless you have severe underlying illnesses like obesity, cardiovascular issues, and-or immune illnesses?It's less dangerous than the flu, right? If only the old and weak would have the decency to not insist on being admitted to hospitals and and use up resources for weeks before they die. Survival of the fittest, just take them out in the Bush and let the hyenas take care of them.

PaulInZurich
03-14-21, 05:54
My speed problem, when I was never flashed for more than 120 km / h on Swiss autobahns and only flashed on autobahns where maybe you know some parts are limited to 80 for snails driving RSQ7 or Panamera turbo S, for example from Globe returning to Zurich, and without any proof I was the driver when was never caught, is not only in Switzerland, but I was never put in jail elsewhere, even when was caught on motorway in Florida at nearly 100 for I think to remember 60 miles? From what I saw in Zurich jail, I know I m very different but I feel much more safe in France, when I rank Switzerland on same level than China and Russia, but I wish you will be able to understand this is not about Swiss people when I knew and still know so many who are just amazed when they know me and my behavior. Few months ago, when my crappy, office Audi was to change engine, when I returned to get it, I decided to test car Audi gave me, A1 40 TFSI, kind of WRC car, nobody in front on RN4 limited to 110 km / h, so I just pushed, sequential gear box on mode sport and full kickdown, unfortunately I was flashed by french motorbike army polizei, named gendarmerie, fortunately for me just on beginning of acceleration, 156 for 110 when they told me they had to push full speed for a while to get me when I was over 210 . Of course they made alcohol test = 0 as always, they told me I was lucky when they saw their speed on their motorbikes, but everything was courteous, I was not treated like a criminal. I was caught on German autobahn, more than 200 for 100 , and many other times in Germany, also in Belgium, was never treated like in Switzerland, even in US.So "my speed problem" and "flashed" means you admit you were speeding? Good for you. How police treats you depends as well on how you talk to them. If you say "hey, my bad" and pay your fine, then you are good to go. If you get confrontational and channel your inner Jeanne d'Arc, they might decide to show you what other options they have at their disposal.

I bet you drive now very carefully through Switzerland, never more than 5 km / h over the speed limit. By the way, I have an equal negative opinion about Swiss who go to Germany to race on the autobahns there because the fines are much lower than in Switzerland.

It is very understandable that you feel much more safe in France. You might want to ask people with origins in the ex French colonies what they think about the French police or French society in general.

I personally feel much more safe in Zurich, statistically it is much safer than Paris. There are areas in Paris or Marseille where I wouldn't recommend you to go for a walk.

BigBuddy69
03-14-21, 06:57
VitaminD supplements, or solarium.Which also has the slightly unpleasant effect to increase your chances of getting cancer.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20136909/

Do you have shares in some sun bed companies?

Or do you own a solarium salon?

Pistons
03-14-21, 07:01
The Thalidomide scandal has shown that pharmaceutical companies don't give a fuck about humans, they only care about a quick buck.In China they publicly stated that they were using humans as Guinea pigs on their vaccine just a month or two ago. So yes, this is not just back in the 1960's. It's happening today! And due to certain moratoriums in western countries on for example gain-of-function research. Something which Trump removed, labs in for example China, who does not care at all if thousands die were of course handpicked. Perhaps also due to the proximity of the natural habitat of the bat corona viruses.

PaulInZurich
03-14-21, 07:13
From what I saw in Zurich jail, I know I m very different but I feel much more safe in France, when I rank Switzerland on same level than China and Russia, but I wish you will be able to understand this is not about Swiss people when I knew and still know so many who are just amazed when they know me and my behavior.Did you spend time in a French jail so you can compare?

There are plenty of problems with Switzerland. Their banks had no problems accepting money from anybody who wanted to hide it, there are local municipalities refusing to grant citizenship to people having the wrong surname, they have their own problems with xenophobia.

Saying that Switzerland is at the same level with China and Russia is just plain stupid. To prove me wrong, I suggest you get confrontational with Russian or Chinese police. You refused to pay a speeding fine in a foreign country. Do you really think this was a smart thing to do? Would you do it again?

Sirioja
03-14-21, 08:36
They are still using AstraZeneca in France, which is their and. 1 and because well. They are French!

(but there is a rumor that they might stop it, and that would be not before 6 months and only after huge medias pressure).France didn't suspend AZ and even many of our medical don t want to get and I respect their fear, won t suspend cheap AZ when we already have too many 90 000 deaths, too many UK mutant new cases right now, and lack of vaccine with Pfizer and even AZ delay, so France prefer to take risk, to try to save life and I agree with my country to try to vaccine most of those at risk who want, even when will be my turn, I won t run for any vaccine, I prefer my own little soldiers, maybe already made in blood O, when I didn't change much my way of life since 1 year, still kissing pretty girls, only no ski when I m fully sure I would not catch nor give in my extreme spots where I don t see many others, sometimes like a lonely bear for hours, like when crossing and back 3500 meters high Girose glacier between la Grave la Meije and 2 Alps. But no AZ for more than 75 yo in France, only Pfizer and few Moderna. US keep for them AZ built in US, to get enough vaccine and easier than Pfizer.

Sirioja
03-14-21, 08:55
VitaminD supplements, or solarium.Reason why people seemed stronger and virus less strong on last Summer and may help again in few months when still lack of vaccine, but it was before mutants, when Manaus Brazil is on Summer and so many deaths around.

Sirioja
03-14-21, 09:32
Hammer,

When a drug is introduced into the market it is subject to continued monitoring. This is because having tested it on a few thousand people will not give you the absolute certainty that it is going to work in other people with different comorbidities. Under normal circumstances, the few cases of serious adverse events that have been observed for AZ vaccines would not be worthy of notice because they occur at a very low frequency if you take into account the number of AZ vaccines that have been administered. However, because you would need to vaccinate billions of people, there is an even attention on the reported adverse events. The more serious ones, seem to occur at a handful of cases per million. Now would you across a bridge that has 1 in a million chances of collapsing or would you prefer to swim across an crocodile-infested river where you have significantly more chances to even die?Fortunately, when I think around 10 millions vaccined in UK, don t seem AZ made too many problems there, when cheap and easy vaccine. UK and US even prefer to keep for them AZ they are producing, rather than sending to EU where lack of vaccine to be able to protect those who need and want, to lower deaths, when already too many. French medical don t run to get, I think same in Germany. French medical also telling even with vaccine, but will still need mask not to catch and give, still spreading, when vaccine work for less than 1 year and UK mutant now killing Western EU, so what will happen on next Winter? Vaccine again? Like versus flu, but for far many more than only older than 65 yo. Complicated time now and to come, when lack of vaccine, but should be very good business for pharma.

HammerTime96
03-14-21, 10:20
The RKI (Robert Koch Institute, the German CDC) is predicting an whopping Incident Rate (number of 'infections' per 100 k over the last 7 days) of 350 after Easter. Quite logical if you do tons more testing with a crappy PCR test that produces many false positives and people without any symptoms.

Link in German from a reputable news site: https://www.businessinsider.de/bi/rki-prognostiziert-zu-ostern-inzidenz-von-350-und-damit-hoehere-neuinfektionszahlen-als-zu-weihnachten/.

Link in English: https://www.thelocal.de/20210311/germany-still-has-three-or-four-tough-months-to-go-says-merkel/.

So far an "Incident Rate" of 50 has been used to justify lockdowns, so imagine what they'll do when it hits 350. One thing is for certain: they will NOT be opening FKK clubs!

In September last year, DDR StaSi-Mutti Merkel told the Proletariate and the German Peasantry that '4 tough months are ahead of us:

https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-budget-merkel/tough-few-months-ahead-with-coronavirus-warns-merkel-idINS8N2GK03Y

And.

https://www.thelocal.de/20201029/four-long-months-germany-faces-hard-winter-warns-merkel/

But now Merkel is back-peddling on that 'promise' and is openly speaking of yet another 3-4 tough months ahead:

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article227999359/Angela-Merkel-Das-sind-jetzt-noch-drei-vier-schwere-Monate.html

https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/bis-impfeffekte-deutlich-werden-merkel-im-gespraech-mit-buergern-noch-drei-vier-schwere-monate_id_13069049.html

Link in English: https://www.thelocal.de/20210311/germany-still-has-three-or-four-tough-months-to-go-says-merkel/.

The reason? "Bis Impfeffekte deutlich werden" (My translation: 'Until vaccine-effects become more clear'.

As I predicted, the lockdowns and shutdowns will never end with a continuous stream of "mutations" and fear mongering from the media, vaccine lobbyists, and politicians, and it seems as if the illustrious leader of the EUSSR Politburo isn't so confident herself anymore about the wonderful effects of the so-called "vaccine. ".

I guess it's time to move to Russia or Belarus, as they probably have more freedom, transparency and democracy there. / sarc They for sure have a lot more HOT women, as Russians don't put up with fat, ugly, Marxist-feminist, lesbians with short hair screaming about being "woke" and "evil sexist men. " LOL!

BigBuddy69
03-14-21, 12:13
3 more health workers under the age of 50 now hospitalized due to brain bleeding caused by blood clots related to the AZ vaccine. So far only health workers have been given the AZ vaccine here, and not too many have even received them. Maybe just 3-5000.Really?

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/vaksinasjon-med-astrazeneca-vaksinen-mot-covid-19-settes-pa-pause/


In Norway, 121,820 people have been vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine.Do you have a more reliable source maybe? (no your arsehole doesn't qualify).

And only health workers?

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astrazeneca-vaccine-recommended-for-all-over-18-years-of-age/

Maybe they changed their strategy because they nominated you as their official health minister.

You know the worst thing? There is actually some truth in what you and HT96 are saying: there has been no long term study, there are already been some health related scandals (Distilbene, Thalidomide, Depakine, Mediator, the prostethis they use in women genital organs), there is a chance that the AZ is definitively and strongly related to these deaths and that the benefits are now outweighed by the risks, or that there is a lousy batch.

But the way you twist and rearrange the truth to fit your agenda and your simplistic logic makes your opinions rather ridiculous and irrelevant.

Turgid
03-14-21, 15:58
Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?No answer to this question. I suspect that FKK hobbyists are skeptical about the vaccines. You guys do know that you will be refused entry to FKKs, when they open, if you do not present your vaccination certificates at the front desk.

BigBuddy69
03-14-21, 16:30
Thank you, I found some other sources.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1

You just forgot to give some context elements, like the fact that they were elderly people with other diseases and it appears that the mainstream media covered the case.

Rocky V
03-14-21, 17:31
Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?For those that have been approved by major national regulator, the safety profile far outweigh the risk of developing any complication. Take whatever vaccine you are offered (if you are in US, either Pfizer, J&J or Moderna) and you'll be fine. You don't want to miss the FKK glorious re-opening for not having been vaccinated!

HammerTime96
03-14-21, 18:01
No answer to this question. I suspect that FKK hobbyists are skeptical about the vaccines. You guys do know that you will be refused entry to FKKs, when they open, if you do not present your vaccination certificates at the front desk.Dude, ask your GP or doctor! Are you seriously asking for medical advice from anonymous people on a hooker forum? LOL!

Nothing is official yet when it comes to getting refused entry without vaccine. This will only happen when weak, gullible and naive people submit to pressure, and want to exchange short term pleasure in return for sacrificing basic freedoms and privacy. Don't be the idiot to participate in the ending of FKKs, because when permanent government tracking is introduced, I'm afraid the end of FKKs will be near. Many Germans are very sensitive about privacy (much more than dumb Brits or Americans who surrender their entire lives to Google and Facebook) and it's the big German masses that pay for the basic operating costs of any FKK.

When Germans (and Europeans from neighbouring countries) stay away in big numbers, you can say adios to the concept of FKK clubs because it will probably not make much financial sense to operate (heating, cleaning, security, food, drinks, furniture, sauna, towels) big clubs 24/7 as was the case pre-covid.

Pistons
03-14-21, 18:05
And only health workers?They have sent out 128 k to the municipalities. That is not the same as actually injecting them. Just a few days ago only 3.4% of the entire population were vaccinated. And by far most of them percentage wise was from Pfizer. By the way, 3. 4% of the population is 187 k. So the numbers don't add up given the number of Pfizer vaccines, and some Moderna vaccines.

The official story is that no one knows why not more AZ vaccines have actually been given. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that people are refusing to take it. Plus there is a lag in the system.

The reason the FHI is suggesting that people over 18 years old take the AZ vaccine is probably related to the risk of infertility with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. So those might just be fine in case you are too old to have kids anyway.

Pistons
03-14-21, 18:17
OK, it should have been 30-50 k. And not 3-5000. My bad there. But about 67% are just laying there with noone taking them. I was just at the dentist last week and heard the helper there had received one. She was not a part of those who should have gotten it, but it was made available due to others having rejected it. And she had taken 3 days off work a couple of days prior due to fever, headache, vomiting etc. And everyone she knew who also had gotten the AZ vaccine had had the same 2-3 days of 39-40 in fever with bad headache and vomiting. It certainly doesn't feel pleasant. That's for sure.

BigBuddy69
03-14-21, 18:39
In China they publicly stated that they were using humans as Guinea pigs on their vaccine just a month or two ago. So yes, this is not just back in the 1960's. It's happening today! And due to certain moratoriums in western countries on for example gain-of-function research. Something which Trump removed, labs in for example China, who does not care at all if thousands die were of course handpicked. Perhaps also due to the proximity of the natural habitat of the bat corona viruses.This time I'm with you, I don't really want to try the Chinese vaccine. Maybe the ouďghours helped a little bit to conceive it, against their will.

Sirioja
03-14-21, 18:42
No answer to this question. I suspect that FKK hobbyists are skeptical about the vaccines. You guys do know that you will be refused entry to FKKs, when they open, if you do not present your vaccination certificates at the front desk.Who tell this? When no vaccine passport planned in EU at the moment. I wonder more what Bavarian who could be after Angela, think about Germany being big brothel of Europe, meaning virus playfield, if people come from all over the world, when he wanted to close border with Tirol under mutant.

Sirioja
03-14-21, 20:12
The RKI (Robert Koch Institute, the German CDC) is predicting an whopping Incident Rate (number of 'infections' per 100 k over the last 7 days) of 350 after Easter. Quite logical if you do tons more testing with a crappy PCR test that produces many false positives and people without any symptoms.

Link in German from a reputable news site: https://www.businessinsider.de/bi/rki-prognostiziert-zu-ostern-inzidenz-von-350-und-damit-hoehere-neuinfektionszahlen-als-zu-weihnachten/.

Link in English: https://www.thelocal.de/20210311/germany-still-has-three-or-four-tough-months-to-go-says-merkel/.

So far an "Incident Rate" of 50 has been used to justify lockdowns, so imagine what they'll do when it hits 350. One thing is for certain: they will NOT be opening FKK clubs!

In September last year, DDR StaSi-Mutti Merkel told the Proletariate and the German Peasantry that '4 tough months are ahead of us:

https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-budget-merkel/tough-few-months-ahead-with-coronavirus-warns-merkel-idINS8N2GK03Y

And..EU planned peak on March, UK tell now UK mutant kill 60% more than original, when we have UK mutant for 60% new cases in France, when Italy fell again, under UK mutant, when Germany and Spain forbid UK since a while, Italy following now. I don't see who in Germany would take risk to reopen brothels before elections to come for after Angela who was loved for 15 years, even not so pretty.

Sirioja
03-14-21, 20:24
Sure, why don't you do that. Go ahead and start licking poles in the Paris subway.On reopening on mid June, I returned in Switzerland, Austria on July and Germany on September, most difficult for me was as always to succeed to find a beauty on my standards, not to kiss a WG I chose for her image, when I was not scared to catch. I always gave my real private data, I'm not a Donald, I was never contacted. But I wish all those who need and want, to be protected.

Pistons
03-14-21, 21:49
Thank you, I found some other sources.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1

You just forgot to give some context elements, like the fact that they were elderly people with other diseases and it appears that the mainstream media covered the case.That is actually pure lies from Reuters there.

This anti-MMS news site was the first to report on it: https://resett.no/2021/01/14/statens-legemiddelverk-det-er-meldt-om-23-dodsfall-i-forbindelse-med-vaksinasjon-i-norge-sa-langt/.

After this official report came out: https://legemiddelverket.no/godkjenning/koronavaksiner/meldte-mistenkte-bivirkninger-av-koronavaksiner.

Then the mainstream medias all went crisis management soon after because they were scared of the anti mainstream to lead the debate on vaccines. And so probably all of the reports you read in MSM cites social media instead of Resett.

Pistons
03-14-21, 22:03
BigB: You really ought to look in the mirror sometimes when your hero news sources straight up lies to the public again and again tweaking the facts according to their own agenda. It gets tedious after awhile.

Pistons
03-14-21, 22:10
No answer to this question. I suspect that FKK hobbyists are skeptical about the vaccines. You guys do know that you will be refused entry to FKKs, when they open, if you do not present your vaccination certificates at the front desk.Exactly right. But lives and health is more important being able to visit clubs for some extra time.

Just the fact that some of us are arguing against the vaccines should be a massive indicator on who to listen to. While the nurse and the big guy just think with their tiny willies.

Sirioja
03-14-21, 23:07
Did you spend time in a French jail so you can compare?

There are plenty of problems with Switzerland. Their banks had no problems accepting money from anybody who wanted to hide it, there are local municipalities refusing to grant citizenship to people having the wrong surname, they have their own problems with xenophobia.

Saying that Switzerland is at the same level with China and Russia is just plain stupid. To prove me wrong, I suggest you get confrontational with Russian or Chinese police. You refused to pay a speeding fine in a foreign country. Do you really think this was a smart thing to do? Would you do it again?This is not about rooms in jail when I sleep in my car even on Winter and can sleep in mountains. When was controlled on Rheinfelden border and refused to pay to be fucked when they had no proof about me, when they saw my 2 credit cards and cash, so they put messe in my car stealing my French material and I don't like that nor pressure they put on you to make you pay, when Switzerland don't respect international laws when they have to write you in your language, they don't respect human rights when they don't give you a lawyer to defend your rights, you have no rights in Switzerland, same like in China or Russia. No problem in jail with Albanian drugs dealer who were happy I gave them my foods I refused to eat and explained me their business from NL to all over Switzerland, you learn in Swiss Zurich police prison, and about where to enter on north, when they don't know mountains on south like me. But I saw a nice guy from central America living in Switzerland since years, being shocked just because he didn't pay a bus ticket when he had no job, just ridiculous, even when Argau or Zurich prisons seem quite empty. When I try to adapt to Swiss autobahns for snails and really not easy and exhausting for me when about 10 radars between Lausanne and Geneva, but I will never accept to pay to be fucked, I prefer to return to fight Swiss administration, refusing to eat, to go outside of room and now I experienced, I will also refuse to follow them on next time, because if they don't show me proves, then I m innocent according to international laws. But I like Swiss people who are usually nice.

Sirioja
03-14-21, 23:17
In China they publicly stated that they were using humans as Guinea pigs on their vaccine just a month or two ago. So yes, this is not just back in the 1960's. It's happening today! And due to certain moratoriums in western countries on for example gain-of-function research. Something which Trump removed, labs in for example China, who does not care at all if thousands die were of course handpicked. Perhaps also due to the proximity of the natural habitat of the bat corona viruses.Chinese vaccine is not allowed in EU and I would worry if sputnik Vladimir was allowed, when many Russians don't trust and prefer not to get.

Mursenary
03-15-21, 02:29
Really?

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/vaksinasjon-med-astrazeneca-vaksinen-mot-covid-19-settes-pa-pause/

Do you have a more reliable source maybe? (no your arsehole doesn't qualify).

And only health workers?

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astrazeneca-vaccine-recommended-for-all-over-18-years-of-age/

Maybe they changed their strategy because they nominated you as their official health minister.

You know the worst thing? There is actually some truth in what you and HT96 are saying: there has been no long term study, there are already been some health related scandals (Distilbene, Thalidomide, Depakine, Mediator, the prostethis they use in women genital organs), there is a chance that the AZ is definitively and strongly related to these deaths and that the benefits are now outweighed by the risks, or that there is a lousy batch..You're all arguing with a guy who has an FKK hooker's name tattoo'd on his foot. Literally.

Mursenary
03-15-21, 03:12
Alternative responses to COVID19?

Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?

Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones (leading to the biggest surge, despite lockdowns). So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?

Other solutions?Wonder what the super insightful freethinkers propose as alternative solutions. Would love to hear your ideas. Popcorn is poppin'.

Sirioja
03-15-21, 10:06
NYC telling covid killed more of their citizens, more than 32000, than second WW, Vietnam and 11 September which was a real shock for me when I was still young, seeing people jumping through windows, all together. Wish Biden will make a good job to make US safe again. More than 90000 in France, more than 100000 in UK and Italy, around 75000 in Germany, sad figures and Italy which tried to open a bit restaurants and museums is a sad example. For real fact, as I often wrote, UK mutant is killing Western EU on this year, killing 60% more. Lack of vaccine and more and more countries, now even Ireland and NL suspending AZ, when Austria, Norway, Denmark, Iceland already did.

HammerTime96
03-15-21, 11:31
The Netherlands is the latest country to suspend the AstraZeneca 'vaccine:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56397157


Thank you, I found some other sources.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1

You just forgot to give some context elements, like the fact that they were elderly people with other diseases and it appears that the mainstream media covered the case.Ah yes, those good old "independent fact checkers" again, hahaha! Eight EU countries have now suspended the use of AstraZeneca, so it's probably nothing. ' Those people who suddenly died of blood clots only days after being vaccinated are probably anti-vaxxers who are faking their own death. / sarc.

P.S. Where is Mursenary these days? Isn't it odd that when Mursenary doesn't make a lot of posts, you suddenly see an increase in posts from 'other' people who coincidentally represent the exact same opinion as Mursenary? LOL!

BigBuddy69
03-15-21, 13:00
Just the fact that some of us are arguing against the vaccines should be a massive indicator on who to listen to.So go argue against Darwin's theories. That's what fanatics from different religions do.

BigBuddy69
03-15-21, 13:19
Then the mainstream medias all went crisis management soon after because they were scared of the anti mainstream to lead the debate on vaccines. And so probably all of the reports you read in MSM cites social media instead of Resett.Probably.

Because according to this link, https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Resett.no.

Your resett website is specialized in far right paranoid theories and frequent inaccuracies.

I don't want to waste too much time investigate (and I don't speak Norwegian) but it fits with what you've been saying from the beginning (black people are sick because of the vitD, blablabla) and all the bullshit that has been flourishing since the rise of Internet, social networks, and so on.

Oh I searched a little bit finally: https://norwaytoday.info/news/vipps-expels-resett/.

Your preferred source of information seems to have problems with the evil Google empire and with some Norwegian payment firm. Strange, Google loves to make money, they should let their AdSense on Resett?

I'm pretty sure that 80 years ago, some guys wearing strange crosses on their uniform would have loved to have a brain washing tool like that.

PaulInZurich
03-15-21, 13:55
Dude, ask your GP or doctor! Are you seriously asking for medical advice from anonymous people on a hooker forum? LOL!

Nothing is official yet when it comes to getting refused entry without vaccine. This will only happen when weak, gullible and naive people submit to pressure, and want to exchange short term pleasure in return for sacrificing basic freedoms and privacy. Don't be the idiot to participate in the ending of FKKs, because when permanent government tracking is introduced, I'm afraid the end of FKKs will be near. Many Germans are very sensitive about privacy (much more than dumb Brits or Americans who surrender their entire lives to Google and Facebook) and it's the big German masses that pay for the basic operating costs of any FKK.

When Germans (and Europeans from neighbouring countries) stay away in big numbers, you can say adios to the concept of FKK clubs because it will probably not make much financial sense to operate (heating, cleaning, security, food, drinks, furniture, sauna, towels) big clubs 24/7 as was the case pre-covid.Hey,

A (partially) reasonable post.

Definitely people should check with their doctor. I did check with several doctors I know, in Switzerland and other places. All told me to get what I get offered when the time comes. So far in Switzerland it's Pfizer or Moderna.

BTW, do you know which vaccine has which chip? Fauci said in an interview that there is a Fauci chip too, not just a Bill Gates chip.

I seriously doubt that once we are close to herd immunity ID checks will still be done in FKKs. As long as FKKs will check IDs I won't go there. I didn't have enough cash on me once, so I paid with a credit card, so I am no longer worried about the Swiss government.

Some FKKs will disappear, no doubt about it, but it's because they don't have enough reserves to survive being closed for so long. There is nothing wrong with the FKK business model, demand will still be there. Globe will still be around.

PaulInZurich
03-15-21, 13:57
Who tell this? When no vaccine passport planned in EU at the moment. I wonder more what Bavarian who could be after Angela, think about Germany being big brothel of Europe, meaning virus playfield, if people come from all over the world, when he wanted to close border with Tirol under mutant.Ursula van der Leyen.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210301-eu-to-propose-covid-19-vaccine-passports-in-march

PaulInZurich
03-15-21, 14:12
Ah yes, those good old "independent fact checkers" again, hahaha! Eight EU countries have now suspended the use of AstraZeneca, so it's probably nothing. ' Those people who suddenly died of blood clots only days after being vaccinated are probably anti-vaxxers who are faking their own death. / sarc.

P.S. Where is Mursenary these days? Isn't it odd that when Mursenary doesn't make a lot of posts, you suddenly see an increase in posts from 'other' people who coincidentally represent the exact same opinion as Mursenary? LOL!If these EU countries come back and say that AZ is safe to use, will you accept that as the truth?

If they come back and say the vaccine is not safe to use, would you accept that as well?

Mursenary
03-15-21, 14:49
.P.S. Where is Mursenary these days? Isn't it odd that when Mursenary doesn't make a lot of posts, you suddenly see an increase in posts from 'other' people who coincidentally represent the exact same opinion as Mursenary? LOL!You miss me? How cute. Been posting everyday. Poor observation skills on display here.

BigBuddy69
03-15-21, 15:16
You're all arguing with a guy who has an FKK hooker's name tattoo'd on his foot. Literally.Are you sure it's not 'KKK forever'?

Well guys, you have strange fetishes here. Two guys on this thread admitted that they were checking your dick under the showers and you just said that you have a kink for male feet.

Tell me the truth, do you really go in clubs for the girls?

If you're into watching male body parts, go to the gym!

Chongmal
03-15-21, 16:24
How can you know the truth in China? Where when you are not a sheep, you go to jail, like driving in Switzerland. Also what about so sexist country like Japan? Without crazy Trump, I would prefer to live in US, in Alaska, or San Francisco, or NY, Boston or Salt Lake, but I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason. Do Chinese know the word freedom?It's ok, we really don't need any more nut jobs in the US so France can keep you. I don't understand why when it's so great would spend so much time in other countries paying for sex. Yep, Europe or you get no play. All the French seductive powers you have are in the bank account or wallet.

Oh, and can we hear the story of how you suffered police brutality at the hands of the Swiss police one last time. Please, the full story and then never ever again.

Mursenary
03-15-21, 16:25
Are you sure it's not 'KKK forever'?

Well guys, you have strange fetishes here. Two guys on this thread admitted that they were checking your dick under the showers and you just said that you have a kink for male feet.

Tell me the truth, do you really go in clubs for the girls?

If you're into watching male body parts, go to the gym!Jesus christ. Apparently everyone left on the board is an asshole.

Pistons
03-15-21, 16:45
Probably.

Because according to this link, https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Resett.no.

Your resett website is specialized in far right paranoid theories and frequent inaccuracies.

I don't want to waste too much time investigate (and I don't speak Norwegian) but it fits with what you've been saying from the beginning (black people are sick because of the vitD, blablabla) and all the bullshit that has been flourishing since the rise of Internet, social networks, and so on.

Oh I searched a little bit finally: https://norwaytoday.info/news/vipps-expels-resett/.

Your preferred source of information seems to have problems with the evil Google empire and with some Norwegian payment firm. Strange, Google loves to make money, they should let their AdSense on Resett?

I'm pretty sure that 80 years ago, some guys wearing strange crosses on their uniform would have loved to have a brain washing tool like that.I don't read Resett as I agree with you on them being far right. And I am a left winger. Pro immigration of hot women.

But it doesn't change the fact of what I wrote in my post about this one incident we are discussing here. Try to discuss topic and not person / source for awhile. It might help you throughout life!

Mursenary
03-15-21, 17:24
Are you sure it's not 'KKK forever'?

Well guys, you have strange fetishes here. Two guys on this thread admitted that they were checking your dick under the showers and you just said that you have a kink for male feet.

Tell me the truth, do you really go in clubs for the girls?

If you're into watching male body parts, go to the gym!P.S. The foot tattoo comment wasn't about you.

Sirioja
03-15-21, 20:45
Ursula van der Leyen.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210301-eu-to-propose-covid-19-vaccine-passports-in-marchDid you read all? When lack of vaccine and AZ now suspended in NL, Germany, Italy, Spain and France. I don't think EU is ready for passport, when they are not able to vaccine.

Pistons
03-15-21, 21:14
Are you sure it's not 'KKK forever'?

Well guys, you have strange fetishes here. Two guys on this thread admitted that they were checking your dick under the showers and you just said that you have a kink for male feet.

Tell me the truth, do you really go in clubs for the girls?

If you're into watching male body parts, go to the gym!OK, time for some facts here as BigB's world view seems to always be so distorted.

1. I have never seen the dick of the Nurse myself. However, I am sure that if it had been larger, as in normal size, it would have been hard to have avoid given all the times we mongered together.

2. Our friendship kinda went astray due to some reality show drama style pushing where the nurse thought I was a mind reader and he had a small boner on a girl I asked the name of. So yeah, given that incident, I think its safe to say we're as straight as it gets.

3. Your final statement rather points the finger at you. I go to the gym a lot. For 5+ years now, while before I did more non-weight-lifting sports. But the gym is much more for looking at female body parts than men body parts. My gym is kind of like my new FKK, with sauna and lots of wellness facilities, and hot girls. It just lacks some of the ease of getting a room on the spot. If your attention at gyms are all about male body parts, well then. That is all on you.

BigBuddy69
03-15-21, 23:17
P.S. The foot tattoo comment wasn't about you.Yeah I know, the tattoo of the name of the girl is on my dick! Actually there was enough room for 5 names. Big letters.

But still, two guys of this board are referring to your willy. And the two dudes seem to have some kind of stalking attitude / creepy obsession in common. Is your dick a weirdo magnet?

BigBuddy69
03-15-21, 23:20
OK, time for some facts here as BigB's world view seems to always be so distorted.
1. I have never seen the dick of the Nurse myself. However, I am sure that if it had been larger, as in normal size, it would have been hard to have avoid given all the times we mongered together.Why? Every time you meet a guy in a club you finish in his pants?

BigBuddy69
03-15-21, 23:28
It's ok, we really don't need any more nut jobs in the US so France can keep you. How rude of you to decline a gift! The crappy bike made in Taiwan by a NL owned company and built with random mountain bike or touring bike parts is a bonus. You can use it to go to work or to the grocery.

Mursenary
03-16-21, 00:20
Why? Every time you meet a guy in a club you finish in his pants?So when you call out his homosexual tendencies, he says he's never seen my dong. So he's basically just being a racist. Check.

Apparently as another attempt to insult me, he's calling me a nurse? So he's also a smug asshole who looks down on nurses during a pandemic. Check.

When reality and self awareness escapes someone, why would anyone give credence to their outlandish claims.

Please stop quoting him, it's nicer not seeing that garbage from a garbage human.

Rocky V
03-16-21, 11:28
If these EU countries come back and say that AZ is safe to use, will you accept that as the truth?

If they come back and say the vaccine is not safe to use, would you accept that as well?Yes, I would. There is enhanced surveillance on vaccines and so far, out of the 17 millions doses of AZ vaccines, there have been 40 cases of blood clots (I. E. 1 in 425,000). Under normal circumstances, blood clots have an annual incidence of 1 in 1000 adults. This is just to put things into perspectives and steer away from big newspapers titles.

HammerTime96
03-16-21, 12:57
Alright, when you ladies are finished discussing each other's dick sizes, perhaps we can return to the topic at hand? LOL!

Opening of any FKKs this summer or fall IMHO looks increasingly unlikely;.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-along-with-italy-france-spain/a-56878920

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-vaccine/sweden-suspends-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-idUSL8N2L931W

Germany was already far behind the US & UK with regards to vaccinating (whether the vaccine is effective and good for you in the long term is an entirely different matter) , but as I predicted, the entire reopening of the economy looks ever more in doubt due to the total incompetence of the German government.

Good luck to jerking off to Pornhub for another year my fellow FKK lovers, and don't forget to thank all the (US and UK) fearmongers and Big Pharma Trolls for destroying another great piece of European freedom!

The next step in artificially prolonging the lockdowns is the introduction of quickie self-tests which now are for sale in German supermarkets, and so of course the number of "infections" will surely rise. Hence, the RKI's president Wieler's claims that 'after Easter we will see infection rates of 350. ' Link (in German) here: https://www.sat1.de/tv/fruehstuecksfernsehen/video/duestere-rki-prognose-zu-ostern-inzidenzwerte-von-ueber-350-moeglich-clip Here is a link in English: https://www.thelocal.de/20210315/german-coronavirus-cases-will-be-higher-at-easter-than-before-christmas/.

The German government knows that more testing will increase the so-called Incident Value (number of 'infections' per 100 k over last 7 days) as last year on July 14th 2020, the German health minister, Jens Spahn said that 'more testing inevitably leads to more false positives' which will be counterproductive. Clip (in German) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwjpFxAJCIE.

So what does Germany do? Of course more testing, so more lockdowns will be guaranteed! It seems blinding fanaticism and fascism has once again taken hold of German politicians, and Germany, led by StaSi-Merkel is determined to strangle it's entire economy to death on the Road to Socialism.

How are things in Sweden by the way? Is everybody in Sweden dead already? / sarc.

As you can see below, Sweden scores right in the middle with regards to Covid19 deaths per million, when compared to other Western nations. And all that without massive lockdowns and bankrupting it's entire economy. Could it perhaps be that 'lockdowns and face diapers don't work' and that perhaps Swedes actually pay attention to their health and nutrition when compared to the grossly obese Americans and Brits?

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=LUX FRA DEU NLD SWE ITA ESP GBR USA.

Turgid
03-16-21, 15:13
Once in Sharks I saw a guy washing his dick in the same sink that I brush my teeth. I called him out and he looked at me as if I were a weirdo. I suppose that that is the downside of going to FKKs. There's an advantage and disadvantage in anything.

Ararat
03-16-21, 16:08
This thread should have explained pretty clearly to you, me and other semi-normal people that some mongers are not just a little weird.


Once in Sharks I saw a guy washing his dick in the same sink that I brush my teeth. I called him out and he looked at me as if I were a weirdo. I suppose that that is the downside of going to FKKs. There's an advantage and disadvantage in anything.

Mursenary
03-16-21, 16:25
Facts. Simple hard facts.


Yes, I would. There is enhanced surveillance on vaccines and so far, out of the 17 millions doses of AZ vaccines, there have been 40 cases of blood clots (I. E. 1 in 425,000). Under normal circumstances, blood clots have an annual incidence of 1 in 1000 adults. This is just to put things into perspectives and steer away from big newspapers titles.

Pistons
03-16-21, 16:38
As you can see below, Sweden scores right in the middle with regards to Covid19 deaths per million, when compared to other Western nations. And all that without massive lockdowns and bankrupting it's entire economy. Could it perhaps be that 'lockdowns and face diapers don't work' and that perhaps Swedes actually pay attention to their health and nutrition when compared to the grossly obese Americans and Brits.I think most doctors and scientists have done a pretty crappy job. As the lack of knowledge is immense in so many fields! But as I have alluded to before, most are also brainwashed.

Pistons
03-16-21, 16:40
The nurse is butthurt. But its all on him actually. Just a very close minded person not able to analyze himself very well.

Pistons
03-16-21, 16:58
HammerTime is right though. A main goal of the entire thing is a diversion towards socialism. Because a part of this is the inevitable introduction of basic income for everyone as a means of life supporting the global economy. But that is not a bad thing. It will mean the global automation potential will go up. So the hours people need to work per month or year will also go down. Meaning more spare time to fuck around for everyone.

I am actually not really that much of an enemy of the big brother society if the technology is used well (to automate). But that totally hinges on how liberal the rest of the society manages to become. And And the biggest problem we have is religion and its take on sex. As well as prostitution and the link it has to poverty. It seems as if a society is getting rid of false norms and poverty on all levels, girls will again start having sex of cash as that way of income is something many rich escorts feel empowering on a feminist level. It is quite high up on Maslows pyramid of needs. But the masses might not have noticed this yet. Still, there is an effort being made in order to shift the society that way through for example reality tv. And taking the Spanish flu as an example, once it is over, people will be far more loose in terms of sex. The fear of transmittable diseases from sex will also in time fall due to the increased awareness of these things now with covid, and through the AI revolution we are seeing, paid doctors may soon finally become real doctors. With the help of communication science and programmers.

PaulInZurich
03-16-21, 17:27
Yes, I would. There is enhanced surveillance on vaccines and so far, out of the 17 millions doses of AZ vaccines, there have been 40 cases of blood clots (I. E. 1 in 425,000). Under normal circumstances, blood clots have an annual incidence of 1 in 1000 adults. This is just to put things into perspectives and steer away from big newspapers titles.Same. My point was that HT will say in one case "see even EMA says it's not safe" and in the other case he will say "oh, you can't trust those EMA bureaucrats".

Clodius1
03-16-21, 18:51
Once in Sharks I saw a guy washing his dick in the same sink that I brush my teeth. I called him out and he looked at me as if I were a weirdo. I suppose that that is the downside of going to FKKs. There's an advantage and disadvantage in anything.The sink thing is gross. Yet another reason to never brush your teeth in FKK. I never brush my teeth at FKK, only mouthwash that I bring inside with me. Brushing your teeth is a bad idea, micro abrasions in your gums make you vulnerable to picking up things at FKK that you don't want at home.

BigBuddy69
03-16-21, 18:59
The sink thing is gross. Yet another reason to never brush your teeth in FKK. I never brush my teeth at FKK, only mouthwash that I bring inside with me. Brushing your teeth is a bad idea, micro abrasions in your gums make you vulnerable to picking up things at FKK that you don't want at home.Since you don't drink the water from the sink, I don't think that there is any risk. When I brush my teeth the water runs from the tap, I'm not going to immerge the toothbrush in the sink.

Mursenary
03-16-21, 19:06
While total deaths in Sweden is in middle of the road compared to Western European nations, their death rates are a magnitude (10 x) greater than geographic neighbors Norway and Finland. Furthermore, their total incidence is right near the top compared to Western European nations, a testament to the health of their people when considering relative death to incidence rates.

Scandinavian Peninsula Deaths per million:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&country=SWE FIN NOR

Western Europe cases per million:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed&country=GBR~DEU~FRA~NLD~BEL~CHE~NOR~IRL~PRT~SWE~FIN~AUT


Alternative responses to COVID19?

Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?

Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones (leading to the biggest surge, despite lockdowns). So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?

Other solutions?To re-emphasize unproductive trivial nature some people's criticism, will keep beating this dead horse:

BigBuddy69
03-16-21, 19:09
How are things in Sweden by the way? Is everybody in Sweden dead already? / sarc.

As you can see below, Sweden scores right in the middle with regards to Covid19 deaths per million, when compared to other Western nations. And all that without massive lockdowns and bankrupting it's entire economy. Could it perhaps be that 'lockdowns and face diapers don't work' and that perhaps Swedes actually pay attention to their health and nutrition when compared to the grossly obese Americans and Brits?

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=LUX FRA DEU NLD SWE ITA ESP GBR USA.I suggest you add Norway, Denmark and Finland to the countries of comparison and you'll see that they're not doing so well.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=LUX FRA BEL DEU NLD SWE NOR DNK FIN ITA ESP GBR USA

BigBuddy69
03-16-21, 20:28
Facts. Simple hard facts.But you know that some serial posters have an alternative definition of facts.

Facts = foundations of their fantasy world.

Call it postulate, axiom, paradigm, what you want. It's like another way of thinking, not based on our old fashioned Cartesian logic.

Mursenary
03-16-21, 21:00
Yes, I would. There is enhanced surveillance on vaccines and so far, out of the 17 millions doses of AZ vaccines, there have been 40 cases of blood clots (I. E. 1 in 425,000). Under normal circumstances, blood clots have an annual incidence of 1 in 1000 adults. This is just to put things into perspectives and steer away from big newspapers titles.Addendum, these suspensions are coming at the worst time as it is was a crucial opportunity for Europe to take command of its covid course. What baffles me is that European leaders have real world data right in front of them with over 12 million Brits having already been vaccinated with the AZ vaccinr. The results are quite convincing as the UK has seen an impressive control of their situation despite being the source of the most prevalent variant.

Mursenary
03-16-21, 21:29
I suggest you add Norway, Denmark and Finland to the countries of comparison and you'll see that they're not doing so well.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=LUX FRA BEL DEU NLD SWE NOR DNK FIN ITA ESP GBR USALumped Europe together against Sweden and other Scandinavian Peninsula nations to help visualize this point.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe

Sirioja
03-16-21, 21:45
Once in Sharks I saw a guy washing his dick in the same sink that I brush my teeth. I called him out and he looked at me as if I were a weirdo. I suppose that that is the downside of going to FKKs. There's an advantage and disadvantage in anything.Many do and not only at Sharks, maybe they are afraid of shower, when some take with underwear or socks, poor girls for hygiene when they have to suck.

Sirioja
03-16-21, 22:26
Hey,

A (partially) reasonable post.

Definitely people should check with their doctor. I did check with several doctors I know, in Switzerland and other places. All told me to get what I get offered when the time comes. So far in Switzerland it's Pfizer or Moderna.

BTW, do you know which vaccine has which chip? Fauci said in an interview that there is a Fauci chip too, not just a Bill Gates chip.

I seriously doubt that once we are close to herd immunity ID checks will still be done in FKKs. As long as FKKs will check IDs I won't go there. I didn't have enough cash on me once, so I paid with a credit card, so I am no longer worried about the Swiss government.

Some FKKs will disappear, no doubt about it, but it's because they don't have enough reserves to survive being closed for so long. There is nothing wrong with the FKK business model, demand will still be there. Globe will still be around.I know few doctors and one for my heart effort exams for my sports, they know me for long time and what I studied, and they always tell they don't make exact science like mathematics, or for a guy like me who makes violent intense efforts, I may have heart attack, but they can't know before, even telling me I have the good fit body to have strong heart, when heart is healthy of course. Doctors discovered and learned a lot under covid, because when their knowledge is mostly based on previous experiences, they had none. Look forward with my best friend, French made Lapierre bicycle except shimano of course, proud French on French material, to be heroe again for Italians on next Summer on top of Zoncolan or Mortirolo, where never met any French nor Swiss there, but Italians. When so many on wonderful road up to Stelvio from Prato, but usually don't meet anyone climbing on Zoncolan nor Mortirolo, only on top but not climber but supporter.

Sirioja
03-16-21, 22:46
So when you call out his homosexual tendencies, he says he's never seen my dong. So he's basically just being a racist. Check.

Apparently as another attempt to insult me, he's calling me a nurse? So he's also a smug asshole who looks down on nurses during a pandemic. Check.

When reality and self awareness escapes someone, why would anyone give credence to their outlandish claims.

Please stop quoting him, it's nicer not seeing that garbage from a garbage human.At least you can't claim I followed you if you took shower after German Lucifer who didn't excite me, but you should know girls and guys in brothels speak so much, and not only about me even Kate told me I was the guy getting the more jealousy about me, when she got few guys for her business, and when I see who are your forum friends, one being obsessed about me since 2012, I would worry, I much prefer no friends in brothels, but my best friend French made bicycle I prepared for my sport, like I prepare my cars, Audi being a bit crappy for electronic, when number 2 after Porsche in Germany, now with Mercedes and BMW behind.

HammerTime96
03-16-21, 22:47
Lumped Europe together against Sweden and other Scandinavian Peninsula nations to help visualize this point.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR EuropeTypical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.

Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."

Sirioja
03-16-21, 22:55
Addendum, these suspensions are coming at the worst time as it is was a crucial opportunity for Europe to take command of its covid course. What baffles me is that European leaders have real world data right in front of them with over 12 million Brits having already been vaccinated with the AZ vaccinr. The results are quite convincing as the UK has seen an impressive control of their situation despite being the source of the most prevalent variant.You just don't know Europeans. Out of Brexit, do you think continental Western Europeans trust so much UK, and furthermore after they spread their mutant all over Western Europe. Only your data seem to think for you, when all is in details to perform. Now most of EU, even with lack of vaccine, but suspended AZ even cheap and easy to use, even US prefer to keep AZ they are producing for them.

Mursenary
03-16-21, 23:15
Why compare Sweden to Brazil, China, India, etc when it is more appropriate to compare apples vs apples. Sweden to Finland, Norway, the entirety of Europe.

Back to my dead horse question. What do these privileged holders of genius level insight suggest?


Alternative responses to COVID19?

Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?

Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones (leading to the biggest surge, despite lockdowns). So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?

Other solutions?

Mursenary
03-16-21, 23:24
At least you can't claim I followed you if you took shower after German Lucifer who didn't excite me, but you should know girls and guys in brothels speak so much, and not only about me even Kate told me I was the guy getting the more jealousy about me, when she got few guys for her business, and when I see who are your forum friends, one being obsessed about me since 2012, I would worry, I much prefer no friends in brothels, but my best friend French made bicycle I prepared for my sport, like I prepare my cars, Audi being a bit crappy for electronic, when number 2 after Porsche in Germany, now with Mercedes and BMW behind.Can we put the self-grandiose diatribes on hold for a bit? Authentically confident people don't feel the need to tell other people that they are great everyday. Repeating it here day in and day out just lets everyone know that you're insecure.

Mursenary
03-16-21, 23:33
Put Sweden against the world, it fails.

Against Europe. Fails.

Against Scandinavian Peninsula: Fails.

Deaths:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL

Cases:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL

*Still better than my USA though. Yay Sweden!

BigBuddy69
03-16-21, 23:37
Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.

Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."How to evaluate the effect of the treatment: face diapers and lockdowns?

Easy, you take two similar groups, let's say Swedes and Norvegians, one of the group receives the treatment (face diapers and Stasi-lockdowns), the other one is the control group and receives no treatment.

And, voila, something like ten times more deaths in Sweden!

Of course it's always difficult and subjective to evaluate the degree of similarity of two groups, but two groups close to each other geographically speaking have the strange tendency to often share similar characteristics. You can search deeper if you want with the stats of OECD, eurostat, but honestly I'd like to go to bed.

Let's talk about globalization now, this is an interesting subject.

https://www.accell-group.com/en

There is a nice little industrial group from the Netherlands called Accell, they own some bicycle brands like Raleigh (who was british some time ago) and a brand called LeCaillou (French joke because caillou (rock) means also Pierre (stone), so LeCaillou = LaPierre). Like they've been owning ALL of LeCaillou for a while, since 1996 exactly. Maybe they should change their name to "de steen" (it means 'the stone' in Dutch).

And guess what? It's even written on LeCaillou website! https://www.lapierrebikes.com/gb-en/1946/.

As for the manufacturing countries, anyone with a slightest interest in cycling knows that Taiwan and more globally Asia are the producers of maybe 95 % of the frames and parts.

https://www.bike-advisor.com/where-has-my-bicycle-been-made/

And you know what? The guys at LeCaillou have some sense of humor because they used to put a sticker on their frames: "proudly handmade in Taiwan". That sounds pretty clear to me, unless Taiwan is now a french department. LeCaillou frames have a also an history of breaking, especially the full suspended bikes but well, they're cheap! That's the same for stems, handlebars, seatposts. Vast majority made in Taiwan / China.

Basically if you want some bicycle parts made in France, you can buy a steel frame or a titanium frame from a frame builder, A FKC frame, a Time frame but for the rest, Corima wheels (one pair costs the price of two average LeCaillou bikes), Hutchinson tires, maybe the most expensive wheels from Mavic, maybe Look or Time pedals and the big giant US group Sram just bought the Time pedals.

So if you live in the real world with real people, a French made bicycle is something you can forget. In a fantasy world where prostitutes worship you because you put your bike in the back of the car when you go to sex clubs and because you mounted the chain and cassette yourself, it's OK.

I'm sure that the US guys from this board remember Cannondale fondly. Well since some years, maybe ten, Cannondale has been bought by an investment fund, all the nice welders from the Connecticut factory have been sent to unemployment and this was the end of the "Handmade in USA" stickers. Lance Armstrong's Trek? Taiwan / China. Specialized? The same.

It's nice to have a little reality check from time to time.

BigBuddy69
03-16-21, 23:40
Addendum, these suspensions are coming at the worst time as it is was a crucial opportunity for Europe to take command of its covid course. What baffles me is that European leaders have real world data right in front of them with over 12 million Brits having already been vaccinated with the AZ vaccinreThe problem is that someone told them to read ISG.

BigBuddy69
03-16-21, 23:42
I think most doctors and scientists have done a pretty crappy job. As the lack of knowledge is immense in so many fields! But as I have alluded to before, most are also brainwashed.Fauci and the WHO just called you because they need a competent advisor.

Just kidding!

Pistons
03-17-21, 00:02
Doesn't matter if someone are nurses or doctors in title. In knowledge, most doctors are definitely not doctors. Out of 100 doctors maybe 20 of them I would consider a real doctor. There are lots of wannabes who think an education is all they need. I call most wannabes with a graduation certificate out on knowledge.

Clodius1
03-17-21, 01:10
Since you don't drink the water from the sink, I don't think that there is any risk. When I brush my teeth the water runs from the tap, I'm not going to immerge the toothbrush in the sink.Read point number 3 in the attached article, and you'll understanding the point I wanted to make. Happy mongering!

https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/everything-you-should-know-about-oral-stds-probably-dont

Pistons
03-17-21, 03:41
The number of side effects, including dangerous side effects from the AZ vaccine is probably far higher than what is being reported.

So far, almost 140 serious side effects have been reported in Norway from the AZ vaccine alone for example out of a total of 1400 side effects. But women are overrepresenting due to males not reporting so easily. So the real numbers are over 1500.

Other countries in the world seems to have a lower reporting rate of side effects according to AZ and health officials. In other words if you do the math, the number of total side effects, and serious ones from the AZ vaccine is like a genocide by itself.

Pistons
03-17-21, 03:51
While the alternative: Pfizer and Moderna is not adviced to give people below the age of 50 due to the infertility risk it poses. So one way or the other we end up with a genocide.

Only quarantines help, unless you go by the Swedish approach, which is risky and takes awhile longer. But right now nobody manages to do either. Sweden chickened out of their strategy, and only a few countries have abiding citizens good enough to do the quarantines. It baffles me how the world bank and IMF hasn't handed out basic income on a larger scale yet. It needs to happen in order to avoid catastrophe. As poorer countries won't be able to uphold the quarantine strategy at the rate this virus spreads.

Also, at the rate this virus mutates now, the J&J and AZ vaccines, and also Sputnik won't be effective by one or two years. The time when everyone is vaccinated. And then you might have a new round of increased number of side effects from the vaccines given people will have twice the dosages.

We might just be fucked.

Maybe world governance is the way to go after all. Most politicians are clueless also, and just say what they are being told to say from medical personnel who are equally clueless.

Pistons
03-17-21, 03:53
Watch this interview, and you will understand how it was all planned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYDL_RK--w&t=0s

Pistons
03-17-21, 04:25
I started watching the lectures of this interviewer regarding viruses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX3MhWWi6n4

8:20.

Basically all humans on the planet get all 8 herpes viruses during the first decade of our lives. So where does all the fear of this being sexually transmittable come from? Another lie imposed to reduce the amount of sex and reproduction in the world? I think so.

Pistons
03-17-21, 04:51
The only reason we don't get symptoms from all the dousins of herpes viruses is because of our immune system. But (not part of that lecture) all vaccines reduces the efficiency of our immune system too.

So the more we vaccinate us, the more ill we get from all the herpes viruses we already have in us.

Pistons
03-17-21, 05:14
The main problem is that the syncytin-1 protein, which shares similar genetic instructions with part of the spike of the new coronavirus. That same protein is an important component of the placenta in mammals. If the vaccine causes the body to make antibodies against syncytin-1, it has been argued, it might also cause the body to attack and reject the protein in the human placenta, making women infertile.

Now as it goes, the protein is not 100% identical. It is just very similar. And according to this virologist professor, all viruses mutates every time it copies itself. So if you give yourself a vaccine, you start the roulette every millisecond for the rest of your life. And if you are lucky and hit green on the roulette, your body will start rejecting the syncytin-1 protein. And the women who takes any of the vaccines will be infertile. I am starting to believe that this is not just a pfizer / moderna problem. But it goes for all the vaccines.

The corona viruses also has one difference from most other viruses: it has RNA in it as opposed to the great majority of viruses containing DNA. What this RNA does to human DNA is also a lottery. And that is most likely where the main risk in terms of side effect lies.

PaulInZurich
03-17-21, 06:07
Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.

Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."Why is Sweden vaccinating? Didn't they achieve herd immunity already last summer?

BigBuddy69
03-17-21, 06:50
Read point number 3 in the attached article, and you'll understanding the point I wanted to make. Happy mongering!

https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/everything-you-should-know-about-oral-stds-probably-dontI just read the article and I already knew it but is has nothing to do with the sink.

Yes if you brush your teeth you basically create very little cuts in your mouth. I sometimes bleed a little bit after doing it, especially with an electric toothbrush. But if you don't do it, and if you had gambas, garlic, fish, just before, I'm not really sure the girl will be happy.

Same thing with no condom blowjob actually. This is probably more dangerous for the giver than for the receiver but unprotected oral sex has some degree of risk. And brushing your teeth increases it, but I'll keep on doing it. I just try to do it softly when I do it just before or after oral sex.

BigBuddy69
03-17-21, 07:10
There are lots of wannabes who think an education is all they need. I call most wannabes with a graduation certificate out on knowledge.Especially the ones who studied in 'communication' because basically they learned nothing (but the studies were expensive) , except how to sell a fridge to an Eskimo. In France now we see the rise of 'coaches', 'communication counselors'. They try to explain you how to do your job although they clearly have no clue about how the things are working. But they know how to make nice PowerPoints, nice commercials, convincing statements but between the content and the form they clearly choose the form because they can't figure where the content comes from. They can even become successful businessmen or politicians like the inflated orange dude because they're so confident in themselves that they think that repeating something and being convinced of it makes it true. They're still a little jealous of the nerds in high school who were good at math's and science because they couldn't understand anything about algebra, physics, biology but in the end who cares? They make five times more money now!

Now they make.

Mursenary
03-17-21, 10:46
You just don't know Europeans. Out of Brexit, do you think continental Western Europeans trust so much UK, and furthermore after they spread their mutant all over Western Europe. Only your data seem to think for you, when all is in details to perform.Don't trust UK? Perform? Maybe they should have trusted the data and Europe would have performed better? Sorry that you don't like facts and data; but welcome to the 21st century, deal with it.

UK vs EU Cases since vaccination:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=319..420&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union

UK, home of dirty variant. Crushing continental Europe.

PaulInZurich
03-17-21, 11:55
Doesn't matter if someone are nurses or doctors in title. In knowledge, most doctors are definitely not doctors. Out of 100 doctors maybe 20 of them I would consider a real doctor. There are lots of wannabes who think an education is all they need. I call most wannabes with a graduation certificate out on knowledge.It definitely requires more intellectual capacity and significant more effort to get a medical degree compared to a communications degree. Not exactly high achievers studying communications.

Where I studied the communications department was good for one thing, they had plenty of girls.

PaulInZurich
03-17-21, 12:23
Let's talk about globalization now, this is an interesting subject.
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As for the manufacturing countries, anyone with a slightest interest in cycling knows that Taiwan and more globally Asia are the producers of maybe 95 % of the frames and parts.There are only a few factories in China and Taiwan that manufacture carbon fiber frames. Even very large brands like Trek or Specialized contract out frame manufacturing. Giant and Merida have their own frame manufacturing facilities and they make frames for plenty of other brands. Most large brands do their own R&D and define the quality control and that is their selling argument. Carbon layup design comes from the brand, ensuring quality control in the manufacturing processes is done by the brand and manufacturing facility together, all this is not trivial.

Outside Asia, I think Time has frame manufacturing in Morocco. BMC tried to automate frame manufacturing with robots weaving carbon fiber tubes but didn't get very far and they stopped talking about that years ago. Cervelo used to sell a frame fully manufactured in the US, but the frame price was 10 k USD.

A lot of the Italian brands just paint the frame, put a sticker with an Italian flag on one chainstay, another sticker with "Passione" on the other chainstay and job done. Nobody thinks that Cipollini has anything to do with frame design.

BigBuddy69
03-17-21, 14:20
Mérida owns about an half of specialized so they must be their main (or only) producer.

Look has a factory in Tunisia I think but to my knowledge, until recently, time still manufactured their frames in France.

But the brand has been cut in two and sold and I'm not sure the frame making will stay in France. Pedals are moving to Portugal.

BigBuddy69
03-17-21, 14:25
Don't trust UK? Perform? Maybe they should have trusted the data and Europe would have performed better? Sorry that you don't like facts and data; but welcome to the 21st century, deal with it.

UK vs EU Cases since vaccination:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=319..420&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union

UK, home of dirty variant. Crushing continental Europe.Naughty nurse you missed the latest headlines. Now the Breton variant is coming, it comes from the côte de granit rose in Bretagne (France) , it was bred on kouign amann and cider and he's undetected by the PCR tests. Evil Frenchmen! We can't trust them! Soon will come the age of the Normand variant, made from camembert, he will destroy your nose and let a perpetual taste of French cheese on your tongue.

BigBuddy69
03-17-21, 14:31
Why is Sweden vaccinating? Didn't they achieve herd immunity already last summer?We have a few Swedish experts on this board but they haven't been seen for a while.

BigBuddy69
03-17-21, 14:37
but(not part of that lecture) all vaccines reduces the efficiency of our immune system too..Actually they just do the exact opposite.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/how-do-vaccines-work

See the little picture? The vaccine helps your immune system to build the antibodies.

That's why it was not part of that lecture.

Tell me the truth, you're bored at work and you want to have a good fun on the internet right?

BigBuddy69
03-17-21, 15:03
I started watching the lectures of this interviewer regarding viruses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX3MhWWi6n4

8:20.

Basically all humans on the planet get all 8 herpes viruses during the first decade of our lives. So where does all the fear of this being sexually transmittable come from? Another lie imposed to reduce the amount of sex and reproduction in the world? I think so.That's the condom lobby of course.

There is a Microsoft chip in the latex that will take control of your dick.

I heard it makes you really excited by male nurses genitalia.

Have you seen the other lectures?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEYa0R62nWk

This one is great. First sentence: vaccines are our proven best defense against viruses.

Clodius1
03-17-21, 15:09
The main problem is that the syncytin-1 protein, which shares similar genetic instructions with part of the spike of the new coronavirus. That same protein is an important component of the placenta in mammals. If the vaccine causes the body to make antibodies against syncytin-1, it has been argued, it might also cause the body to attack and reject the protein in the human placenta, making women infertile.

Now as it goes, the protein is not 100% identical. It is just very similar. And according to this virologist professor, all viruses mutates every time it copies itself. So if you give yourself a vaccine, you start the roulette every millisecond for the rest of your life. And if you are lucky and hit green on the roulette, your body will start rejecting the syncytin-1 protein. And the women who takes any of the vaccines will be infertile. I am starting to believe that this is not just a pfizer / moderna problem. But it goes for all the vaccines.

The corona viruses also has one difference from most other viruses: it has RNA in it as opposed to the great majority of viruses containing DNA. What this RNA does to human DNA is also a lottery. And that is most likely where the main risk in terms of side effect lies.The RNA concerns me too. Maybe the J&J old technology is better? Delta airlines will require some sort of shot to reach FKK land across the pond. Other airlines will undoubtedly follow suit.

PaulInZurich
03-17-21, 17:03
https://www.ft.com/content/ed6e9de4-f48e-4d74-97d1-ee80ab8f1a2f

The certificate would be granted to citizens who had either proof of vaccination, a negative Covid-19 test, or proof of recovery from the virus for those who had contracted it previously.

Tourist reliant countries want their tourists.

More directly from the source: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_1181.

Still thinking how to interpret this:

The Commission will build a gateway and support Member States to develop software that authorities can use to verify all certificate signatures across the EU. No personal data of the certificate holders passes through the gateway, or is retained by the verifying Member State.

Versus this:

The certificates will include a limited set of information such as name, date of birth, date of issuance, relevant information about vaccine / test / recovery and a unique identifier of the certificate. This data can be checked only to confirm and verify the authenticity and validity of certificates.

Paulie97
03-17-21, 18:14
The main problem is that the syncytin-1 protein, which shares similar genetic instructions with part of the spike of the new coronavirus. That same protein is an important component of the placenta in mammals. If the vaccine causes the body to make antibodies against syncytin-1, it has been argued, it might also cause the body to attack and reject the protein in the human placenta, making women infertile.

Now as it goes, the protein is not 100% identical. It is just very similar. And according to this virologist professor, all viruses mutates every time it copies itself. So if you give yourself a vaccine, you start the roulette every millisecond for the rest of your life. And if you are lucky and hit green on the roulette, your body will start rejecting the syncytin-1 protein. And the women who takes any of the vaccines will be infertile. I am starting to believe that this is not just a pfizer / moderna problem. But it goes for all the vaccines.

The corona viruses also has one difference from most other viruses: it has RNA in it as opposed to the great majority of viruses containing DNA. What this RNA does to human DNA is also a lottery. And that is most likely where the main risk in terms of side effect lies.No, there's no "problem" at all. You are parroting long debunked misinformation from ant-vaxxer blogs and websites. In your case you have a very small audience, perhaps ten to fifteen mongers that regularly follow this thread, and that's a good thing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-syncytin/fact-check-available-mrna-vaccines-do-not-target-syncytin-1-a-protein-vital-to-successful-pregnancies-idUSKBN2A42S7

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility?fbclid=IwAR3kSjWwhQkDm44bJUksNHUNmIQHA9Qr_vv0ExXEdp_CWpcLw2viBOfoeh8

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2021/02/want-to-get-pregnant-should-i-avoid-vaccine

Sirioja
03-17-21, 20:14
Can we put the self-grandiose diatribes on hold for a bit? Authentically confident people don't feel the need to tell other people that they are great everyday. Repeating it here day in and day out just lets everyone know that you're insecure.Don't worry for me, better you take care of you, don't forget Sharks, I will never be in such pathetic, my brain leads me.

Sirioja
03-17-21, 20:31
There are only a few factories in China and Taiwan that manufacture carbon fiber frames. Even very large brands like Trek or Specialized contract out frame manufacturing. Giant and Merida have their own frame manufacturing facilities and they make frames for plenty of other brands. Most large brands do their own R&D and define the quality control and that is their selling argument. Carbon layup design comes from the brand, ensuring quality control in the manufacturing processes is done by the brand and manufacturing facility together, all this is not trivial.

Outside Asia, I think Time has frame manufacturing in Morocco. BMC tried to automate frame manufacturing with robots weaving carbon fiber tubes but didn't get very far and they stopped talking about that years ago. Cervelo used to sell a frame fully manufactured in the US, but the frame price was 10 k USD.

A lot of the Italian brands just paint the frame, put a sticker with an Italian flag on one chainstay, another sticker with "Passione" on the other chainstay and job done. Nobody thinks that Cipollini has anything to do with frame design.Look on climbyke profiles of Loze above Meribel, or Mortirolo close to Bormio or Zoncolan close to Austrian border, because there no bullshits, just you are able or not. On first time I arrived in front of the wall Zoncolan, with BMW 200 power xdrive, but it was not able to pass curves other than on 1st gear, sometimes bicycle rear wheel losing grip under pressure on pedals, you don't need carbon there, you need to be able, your bicycle will never climb alone and I don't see many others while I climb, but a bit of knowledge about technique help, I don't think professionals would climb on 39/24 which is better for 8%.

Sirioja
03-17-21, 20:42
While the alternative: Pfizer and Moderna is not adviced to give people below the age of 50 due to the infertility risk it poses. So one way or the other we end up with a genocide.

Only quarantines help, unless you go by the Swedish approach, which is risky and takes awhile longer. But right now nobody manages to do either. Sweden chickened out of their strategy, and only a few countries have abiding citizens good enough to do the quarantines. It baffles me how the world bank and IMF hasn't handed out basic income on a larger scale yet. It needs to happen in order to avoid catastrophe. As poorer countries won't be able to uphold the quarantine strategy at the rate this virus spreads.

Also, at the rate this virus mutates now, the J&J and AZ vaccines, and also Sputnik won't be effective by one or two years. The time when everyone is vaccinated. And then you might have a new round of increased number of side effects from the vaccines given people will have twice the dosages.

We might just be fucked.

Maybe world governance is the way to go after all. Most politicians are clueless also, and just say what they are being told to say from medical personnel who are equally clueless.Even older than 50 , but I don't desperate to find a chic WG, to make her cum and to make a baby, fruit of big love forever, when Charlie Chaplin was daddy at 70, no hurry, I still have time, so no vaccine for me to stay powerful.

Sirioja
03-17-21, 21:13
Don't trust UK? Perform? Maybe they should have trusted the data and Europe would have performed better? Sorry that you don't like facts and data; but welcome to the 21st century, deal with it.

UK vs EU Cases since vaccination:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=319..420&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union

UK, home of dirty variant. Crushing continental Europe.You should trust me on only 1 point: whole Western continental Europe know about situation under UK mutant, and I promise you: you won't be in German brothels soon.

Mursenary
03-18-21, 01:16
Don't worry for me, better you take care of you, don't forget Sharks, I will never be in such pathetic, my brain leads me.Don't forget paying GT girls thousands of Euro for no reason.

Mursenary
03-18-21, 01:18
It definitely requires more intellectual capacity and significant more effort to get a medical degree compared to a communications degree. Not exactly high achievers studying communications.

Where I studied the communications department was good for one thing, they had plenty of girls.You too? Took a couple of Communications classes in college for that very reason. Classes were full of athletes and cute chicks.

Mursenary
03-18-21, 01:22
You should trust me on only 1 point: whole Western continental Europe know about situation under UK mutant, and I promise you: you won't be in German brothels soon.No disagreement there.

Ararat
03-18-21, 07:53
Still thinking how to interpret this:

The Commission will build a gateway and support Member States to develop software that authorities can use to verify all certificate signatures across the EU. No personal data of the certificate holders passes through the gateway, or is retained by the verifying Member State.

Versus this:

The certificates will include a limited set of information such as name, date of birth, date of issuance, relevant information about vaccine / test / recovery and a unique identifier of the certificate. This data can be checked only to confirm and verify the authenticity and validity of certificates.It sounds like something got lost in translaton from political language. I assume they mean no other personal information.

Sirioja
03-18-21, 08:59
Don't forget paying GT girls thousands of Euro for no reason.Maybe you should check reliability of data you get from your friends here who are mostly bullshiting specialists, a bit like in China or Russia for data, one French really obsessed since 2012 on another forum, when I never paid any girl at GT and same at LR for higher rate than 100/60 when 1 hour is usually my standard to take my time to enjoy a beauty when I succeed to find one, the most difficult job for me in FKK land, when I so often left GT or LR, sometimes both on same day with full balls. When I discovered gorgeous with heavy natural tits and woman curves Luana. Ro at PHG on March 2013 for 100/60, I was so happy to find her moving to GT on April and she became immediately busy superstar and of course, as a faithful bad guy, I kept on with her, still for 100/60 when she refused 75/30, but you could go for 50/30 or with a GND for 75/60. When I have to drive at least 1000 kms which cost, when difficult for my eyes and mind to find attractive looks, when GND were already at this time for 100/60 at Bab, PHG, Hessen, Saarland, I prefer to let grocery to other French when I see his girls I won t pay for, except one at LR, and yes I much prefer to pay 100/60 for a beauty than 75/60 for a GND, but maybe You paid Lucifer for discount 75/60 after waiting her for hours. All girls don t worth same rate for me, when I won t pay for I think about 90%. You should improve for your data in brothels land of jealousy, lies and bullshits, where many guys can really compete with WGs. No reason? What about pleasure and much higher for my mind than just emptying balls and no addiction when I'm able to control, I was able to stop my best pleasure and even I missed such pleasure but I never returned because her new image was not anymore for me, but I was very happy, as told me Daria, she did care about me for her behavior in lounge when I was there, when she knew I would stop, and maybe she didn't want I stop, even she was busy, with many waiting for her and bigger money than me, when she threw me in face on week end I stopped, she was booked on this week end for more money I ever gave her, but she delayed her booking to make free to start her Friday as always, and even it was our end because magic gone, but I thank her for her great behavior, reason why I drove from so far for her, and she felt valuated when everybody knew. But I preferred to stop and I know it was good choice, not anymore desirable image for me, when my mind leads me, not my tool. I don t need such brothels level friends, I only go to try to find enjoyable beauties and my real experienced data are I found some really pretty for me and I made really enjoyable for my tastes, being a weekly repeating specialist, for more than 5 years with 3, letting girls returning to me after discovery, this is very important test for my mind, not so bad for a bad guy like me according to your friends, but only experiences for me.

PaulInZurich
03-18-21, 17:04
https://www.ft.com/content/ed6e9de4-f48e-4d74-97d1-ee80ab8f1a2f

The certificate would be granted to citizens who had either proof of vaccination, a negative Covid-19 test, or proof of recovery from the virus for those who had contracted it previously.

Tourist reliant countries want their tourists.

More directly from the source: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_1181.

Still thinking how to interpret this:

The Commission will build a gateway and support Member States to develop software that authorities can use to verify all certificate signatures across the EU. No personal data of the certificate holders passes through the gateway, or is retained by the verifying Member State.

Versus this:

The certificates will include a limited set of information such as name, date of birth, date of issuance, relevant information about vaccine / test / recovery and a unique identifier of the certificate. This data can be checked only to confirm and verify the authenticity and validity of certificates.My interpretation is that the certificate will have name, date of birth, date of issuance, relevant information about vaccine / test / recovery and a unique identifier of the certificate on them, in paper or in an app.

Checking the certificate, that means checking the QR code, should not transmit any personal data. I would expect that data privacy groups will verify that this actually works this way.

Switzerland, Norway, Iceland would use the same certificate.

BigBuddy69
03-18-21, 18:41
Don't forget paying GT girls thousands of Euro for no reason.Sorry to interrupt but I think you're making a little mistake.

You're talking about the original dreamed angel, the mother of alls, the Romie from Spain who got somehow erased in the updated version of the self hagiography, Maria something.

That's the problem when you're constantly rewriting your own history, sometimes you skip some chapters. Luckily Internet is here!

Yeah you know, driving 1800 km every week end from 2007 to 2010 for a dinner and maybe some doctor roleplay in the jacuzzi.

And sending her something like 15 000 euros (the price of 5 or 6 really decent bikes by the way, not some Taiwanese crap).

The upselling GT girls there was a reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_domination.

For some guys it's a real turn on!

Mursenary
03-18-21, 22:09
Don't worry for me, better you take care of you, don't forget Sharks, I will never be in such pathetic, my brain leads me.
Sorry to interrupt but I think you're making a little mistake.

You're talking about the original dreamed angel, the mother of alls, the Romie from Spain who got somehow erased in the updated version of the self hagiography, Maria something.

That's the problem when you're constantly rewriting your own history, sometimes you skip some chapters. Luckily Internet is here!

Yeah you know, driving 1800 km every week end from 2007 to 2010 for a dinner and maybe some doctor roleplay in the jacuzzi.

And sending her something like 15 000 euros (the price of 5 or 6 really decent bikes by the way, not some Taiwanese crap).

The upselling GT girls there was a reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_domination.

For some guys it's a real turn on!Ah, yeah, if I gave away tens of thousands of euros, I guess I'd also have to drive around in a broke down Audi.

Pistons
03-18-21, 22:29
They're still a little jealous of the nerds in high school who were good at math's and science because they couldn't understand anything about algebra, physics, biology but in the end who cares? I got only A's in physics actually. Easy subject even when doing the hard version all 3 years at high school. Math on the other sucked when you needed to spend more than 10 minutes on it as was the case earlier at school (I have also one math subject at uni though, so I don't feel very hit by your attacks here). But the lack of interest comes from a poor schooling system who doesn't manage to get people interested. As opposed to a cool physics teacher who does wicked experiments and brings us on school trips across Europe coupled with fun partying. I think the entire education system needs to change.

Chongmal
03-19-21, 00:35
No disagreement there.Even though France announced a new month long lockdown some here will ignore, closing their "not addiction" crossing so many borders to find their way to the brothels. Perhaps this person is so healthy to be asymptomatic and are actually the source of the mutants moving around Europe. Does that make them the Dark Angel. Maybe Dr. Xavier?

Chongmal
03-19-21, 00:42
As opposed to a cool physics teacher who does wicked experiments and brings us on school trips across Europe coupled with fun partying.I remember my university Physics Prof. He was plucked out of France in the mid 1940's and worked on rocket propulsion and guidance. In the middle of the lectures he would switch to French language. If you interrupted him you expected a serious rant in French. Then he would turn back and finish the lecture in English. The fortunate part was that when he did speak English it was proper English, with a heavy accent.

Mursenary
03-19-21, 01:42
I remember my university Physics Prof. He was plucked out of France in the mid 1940's and worked on rocket propulsion and guidance. In the middle of the lectures he would switch to French language. If you interrupted him you expected a serious rant in French. Then he would turn back and finish the lecture in English. The fortunate part was that when he did speak English it was proper English, with a heavy accent.Let's ask the real question because I call bullshit on the original post. Ask yourself, who takes physics for 3 years in high school? LOL, did dude fail a bunch of times? Hell, I took 2 years and that was because I took college physics my senior of high school. Dude claims to be a communications guru but doesn't even value math, the common language of the universe.

Mursenary
03-19-21, 01:44
Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.

Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."
Put Sweden against the world, it fails.

Against Europe. Fails.

Against Scandinavian Peninsula: Fails.

Deaths:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL

Cases:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL

*Still better than my USA though. Yay Sweden!LOL, dude got pretty quiet when proven undoubtedly wrong. Not even man enough to admit error. Pffft.

Pistons
03-19-21, 03:02
Don't trust UK? Perform? Maybe they should have trusted the data and Europe would have performed better? Sorry that you don't like facts and data; but welcome to the 21st century, deal with it.

UK vs EU Cases since vaccination:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=319..420&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union

UK, home of dirty variant. Crushing continental Europe.That is an extreme oversimplification. Any scientist would at least take into regard the far stricter regulations England has brought into force due to their mutation variants and high number of cases in January.

Pistons
03-19-21, 03:05
Where I studied the communications department was good for one thing, they had plenty of girls.The most important thing in life.

However, at masters level in communication there are millions of jokes around how stupid the bachelor students were. But at masters level is where you actually start learning it. One should definitely include more AI stuff in earlier subjects while also including more programming related to AI. But just because most universities are lagging, only means that. And the area is also a bit new.

Pistons
03-19-21, 03:10
Have you seen the other lectures?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEYa0R62nWk

This one is great. First sentence: vaccines are our proven best defense against viruses.Not if they make us all infertile.

Pistons
03-19-21, 03:18
Even older than 50 , but I don't desperate to find a chic WG, to make her cum and to make a baby, fruit of big love forever, when Charlie Chaplin was daddy at 70, no hurry, I still have time, so no vaccine for me to stay powerful.Women, women. Men cannot be pregnant as far as I know. So. Women.

Pistons
03-19-21, 03:23
Switzerland, Norway, Iceland would use the same certificate.As with 99% of all EU policies, we are just vassals of the EU. I wonder what the brits were thinking. Brexit certainly was a fuckfest full of fake news.

McAdonis
03-19-21, 04:06
Even though France announced a new month long lockdown some here will ignore, closing their "not addiction" crossing so many borders to find their way to the brothels. Perhaps this person is so healthy to be asymptomatic and are actually the source of the mutants moving around Europe. Does that make them the Dark Angel. Maybe Dr. Xavier?Speaking of borders, Germany has nine. Last two weeks, Germany has 1509 infections per million, which is still lower than all of its neighbors: (1) Czech 13326, (2) Poland 5451, (3) France 4127, (4) NL 3965, (5) Austria 3728, (6) Luxembourg 3671, (7) Belgium 3269, (8) Switzerland 1854, (9) Denmark 1608. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/17/europe-at-the-start-of-a-third-wave-of-covid-experts-warn.

Merkel's goal for full reopening is 35 cases per 100000 in 7-day-period. The only country in Europe with a population of 10 million or more that is even close to that is currently Portugal. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/.

Pistons
03-19-21, 07:25
No, there's no "problem" at all. You are parroting long debunked misinformation from ant-vaxxer blogs and websites. In your case you have a very small audience, perhaps ten to fifteen mongers that regularly follow this thread, and that's a good thing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-syncytin/fact-check-available-mrna-vaccines-do-not-target-syncytin-1-a-protein-vital-to-successful-pregnancies-idUSKBN2A42S7

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility?fbclid=IwAR3kSjWwhQkDm44bJUksNHUNmIQHA9Qr_vv0ExXEdp_CWpcLw2viBOfoeh8

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2021/02/want-to-get-pregnant-should-i-avoid-vaccineAre you blind or something? I wrote in my first post about it that I had already read all the million and one articles lieing about it being fake news. Go to the source, and study it. Then you will realize that there is a high risk of it happening. I am 100% certain that they can make it so that in testing it doesn't happen though. But on a large scale, and give the vaccine awhile to sprawl in your bloodstream, and the results might be very different. Time we haven't had yet.

BigBuddy69
03-19-21, 07:39
Perhaps this person is so healthy to be asymptomatic and are actually the source of the mutants moving around Europe. Does that make them the Dark Angel. Maybe Dr. Xavier?I think you're confused my friend. Xavier is the good guy. You can see it quick, he's bald.

On the other hand the evil Magneto has grey hair and he is ageing. Does that sound familiar?

Sirioja
03-19-21, 09:47
Ah, yeah, if I gave away tens of thousands of euros, I guess I'd also have to drive around in a broke down Audi.You really think I would give such money, your tens of thousands? When I'm really proud to drive full speed every week end, very relaxing to feel adrenaline, and succeeded to drive more than 500000 kms after much improving engine, Audi is impressed when they see my GPS speed and engine noise moaning fresh like a baby after so many high speed kilometers, and usually cleaning German autobahns, so fun under rain or at night or when snow with super soft sporty tires. And I wish to be more efficient with new one, now with new engine I will also improve to get more power than previous, to reach German cars speed limit, but at least I go to this speed, even quite disappointed by quattro new generation, not sporty enough. Better you keep on with your brothels friends, laughable telling about carbon bikes, but if you saw them for real, they will never climb my famous spots when carbon, electric gears, disc brakes are just useless, when your weight is your enemy compare to 9 kilos bicycle in alloy, but you need more your power and your balls there, and very proud to climb on French brand made in France except for shimano of course, supported like a heroe there and when they know how much I drive to achieve my passion. I wonder if electric carbon bicycle for your friends? Funny when we try to follow electric bicycles, they have to go slowly because they would not reach top, even difficult part of Zoncolan is 7 kms, but with 2 kilometers steeper than 19%, so you need watts, from your heart, lungs, legs and balls. There motorbikes can't stop in steep, but bicycles with from knowledge technique are kings on land of sporty, versus your friends in land of bullshits, but I would laugh to see them there, when I climb topless. When unfortunately no ski again on this Winter, even Xtreme Verbier on becs des Rosses to watch for 25th year starting on Monday 22, but I look forward returning with my allow French made best friend, to climb again most famous spots for my great Summer, maybe starting with Summer ski on Zermatt Klein Matterhorn 3892 meters high, if I can reach from Breuil Cervinia. It, to make oxygen and adrenaline slaloming through crevaces.

PaulInZurich
03-19-21, 16:00
Let's ask the real question because I call bullshit on the original post. Ask yourself, who takes physics for 3 years in high school? LOL, did dude fail a bunch of times? Hell, I took 2 years and that was because I took college physics my senior of high school. Dude claims to be a communications guru but doesn't even value math, the common language of the universe.There are countries where they do physics every year from 6th to 12th grade, especially if it's a hard science oriented school.

PaulInZurich
03-19-21, 16:38
... laughable telling about carbon bikes, but if you saw them for real, they will never climb my famous spots when carbon, electric gears, disc brakes are just useless, when your weight is your enemy compare to 9 kilos bicycle in alloy, but you need more your power and your balls there, and very proud to climb on French brand made in France except for shimano of course, supported like a heroe there ...You have a lot to learn if you never used a road bike with disk brakes, they are orders of magnitude better on long descents or twisty descents or in the rain. The 300 g weight difference is irrelevant and you can more than make it up if you have a quality bike instead of the "French" brand. My last bike came at 6. 7 kg, with disk brakes and Di2 without any special tuning parts.

And dude, topless on a road bike it's only you and Cipollini when he posts on instagram, that is just bad taste.

HammerTime96
03-19-21, 16:42
LOL, dude got pretty quiet when proven undoubtedly wrong. Not even man enough to admit error. Pffft.Actually not. In typical gaslighting fashion, you decided to compare Sweden to Norway and Denmark, while in my original post I compared Sweden to heavy lockdown countries like the UK, Italy and France. Again, proof that lockdowns do not work.


That is an extreme oversimplification. Any scientist would at least take into regard the far stricter regulations England has brought into force due to their mutation variants and high number of cases in January.Exactly, but oversimplification is a typical propaganda tool, which is his job.


Merkel's goal for full reopening is 35 cases per 100000 in 7-day-period. The only country in Europe with a population of 10 million or more that is even close to that is currently Portugal. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/."Test and thou will find.

It would make much more sense if the Incidence Value was a (fixed) percentage of the (variable) number of people tested, but the engineers, doctors and scientists in Germany aren't that clever.

The Incident Value (Inzidenzwert) is the number of 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants ("Einwohner," see link below) and NOT per 100 k tests. So more testing will lead to more 'positives,' which will lead to a higher Inzidenzwert, and which will lead to a never ending lockdown. Like this the magical threshold of 35 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants during the last 7 days for reducing the lockdowns will never be reached.


...die Zahl der Neuinfektionen pro 100.000 Einwohner in den letzten sieben Tagen...https://lua.rlp.de/de/presse/detail/news/News/detail/corona-hinweise-zur-berechnung-der-7-tage-inzidenz/

The stupidity and the total lack of 'science,' is mindblowing, and that's why there will most probably NOT be any FKK openings in 2021, despite of Mursenary's 'science,' lies and gaslighting. Don't forget to update your "time capsule" for a June 1st. August 1st opening of FKK clubs Mursenary!

Mursenary
03-19-21, 16:55
There are countries where they do physics every year from 6th to 12th grade, especially if it's a hard science oriented school.Which countries? And what would they teach once they've covered all of kinematics, electricity and magnetism, and then quantum. Or are we including engineering topic such as statics and dynamics, fluid dynamics, etc physics? And if so, those countries are teaching upper level university classes in high school. Or are they just slowing down a normal one year course and spreading it over 6 years?

ExpatLover
03-19-21, 17:26
They have done poorly so far, but they lead in vaccination rates.Because you still believe that the only solution will be the vaccine, let us check what the coming weeks and months will be in Israel to really conclude on the real efficiency of the mass vaccination.

BigBuddy69
03-19-21, 18:01
You have a lot to learn if you never used a road bike with disk brakes, they are orders of magnitude better on long descents or twisty descents or in the rain. The 300 g weight difference is irrelevant and you can more than make it up if you have a quality bike instead of the "French" brand. My last bike came at 6. 7 kg, with disk brakes and Di2 without any special tuning parts.

And dude, topless on a road bike it's only you and Cipollini when he posts on instagram, that is just bad taste.You mean the 'French' brand fully owned by a Dutch company which buys frames from an Asian supplier?

Yeah disc brakes are great, my Maguras are mighty on my MTB (when they don't leak), my old trusty Avid are not so bad either and I can't wait to get my hands on a new disc brake equipped road bike. Of course if you don't ride a lot or if you're a slow descender, rim brakes are fine.

6, 7 kg? You must have super light wheels!

But 9 kg what's that?

My alloy Giant tcr from 1999 was already lighter than that back in the days!

9 kg, it must be some kind touring bike or even worse, an entry level mountain bike with slick tires!

Total bad taste would be a flat bar, flat pedals with Adidas trainer, a cotton t-shirt and some running shorts!

PaulInZurich
03-19-21, 18:03
Because you still believe that the only solution will be the vaccine, let us check what the coming weeks and months will be in Israel to really conclude on the real efficiency of the mass vaccination.Sure, what is the alternative solution from your point of view?

Mursenary
03-19-21, 18:03
Actually not. In typical gaslighting fashion, you decided to compare Sweden to Norway and Denmark, while in my original post I compared Sweden to heavy lockdown countries like the UK, Italy and France. Again, proof that lockdowns do not work.

Exactly, but oversimplification is a typical propaganda tool, which is his job.

The stupidity and the total lack of 'science,' is mindblowing, and that's why there will most probably NOT be any FKK openings in 2021, despite of Mursenary's 'science,' lies and gaslighting. Don't forget to update your "time capsule" for a June 1st. August 1st opening of FKK clubs Mursenary!Cool, added France, UK, and Italy. Sweden still fails.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~FIN~NOR~Europe~OWID_WRL~GBR~ITA~FRA

Sirioja
03-19-21, 18:16
It's irrelevant as UK Citizens are not allowed to leave the country anyway, whether to Germany or anywhere in the world.

Besides now that things are vastly improving in the UK they don't want to import more virus too.I like UK people and Scottish and Irish, but they made a really bad after brexit killer gift to Western continental Europe. Germany, Spain and Italy forbid Brits, to protect versus mutant, but France still allow them through tunnel.

Sirioja
03-19-21, 18:46
You have a lot to learn if you never used a road bike with disk brakes, they are orders of magnitude better on long descents or twisty descents or in the rain. The 300 g weight difference is irrelevant and you can more than make it up if you have a quality bike instead of the "French" brand. My last bike came at 6. 7 kg, with disk brakes and Di2 without any special tuning parts.

And dude, topless on a road bike it's only you and Cipollini when he posts on instagram, that is just bad taste.I didn't write disk brakes are not more efficient, but useless for my climbings. With your 6,7 kgs bicycle maybe with electric gears, how many time did you climb Swiss side of Gran San Bernardino, or Furkapass or Umbrail, or same level, when they are easy for me on my 9 kgs alloy bicycle without disk nor electric gears, when my French bicycle reached at least 5 times top of much steeper Zoncolan, even more up to top of much steeper Mortirolo and discovered Col de Loze with 24% steep and a real wall on top on last Summer. So good to climb topless under sun, when I'm not paid by Jumbo nor Bora, but just for my passion, moving flesh inside of me, with sometimes around 5 degrees on top when you highered your body temperature under effort, then You really clean your lungs at 2500 meters high and can fuck covid. I promise You if I give my bike to Davide Formolo I met and You give your expensive bike to Peter Sagan, I know who will be first on top of Zoncolan or Mortirolo or Loze, when the guy is much more important than the bike and we can try when you want. 2 kilos difference may be what I will lose for water on 2 hours climbing, when I m quite dry fit with the look for climbing.

Sirioja
03-19-21, 19:07
Which countries? And what would they teach once they've covered all of kinematics, electricity and magnetism, and then quantum. Or are we including engineering topic such as statics and dynamics, fluid dynamics, etc physics? And if so, those countries are teaching upper level university classes in high school. Or are they just slowing down a normal one year course and spreading it over 6 years?At my old time, considered best at school in France were those who were good at maths, and those who were really good went to Louis LE Grand, Saint Louis for me, then engineer high level schools, not as good went to business schools, lower level to universities or medical and I never understood this because for me more than 7 years for medical is more difficult than 5 years for the best engineer cursus, when I met many inefficient high level schools engineers, when from my experiences French doctors make good job, even not exact science like mathematics and I lost too many beloved around me.

Sirioja
03-19-21, 19:12
Because you still believe that the only solution will be the vaccine, let us check what the coming weeks and months will be in Israel to really conclude on the real efficiency of the mass vaccination.Let's see also in California when they just reopened after 1 year. Wish them the best of course. In Western EU, doctors say even vaccined but still need mask not to spread, and vaccine is not for ever. I'm afraid 2021 may be worst than 2020, with more and more mutants.

Mursenary
03-19-21, 19:24
Oh wait, he chose to select using deaths and heavy lock downs.

Well, lets look at Sweden versus the most strict lockdown nations.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=31..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~ERI~LBN~MUS~GRC~VEN~TLS

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table

PaulInZurich
03-19-21, 19:36
Which countries? And what would they teach once they've covered all of kinematics, electricity and magnetism, and then quantum. Or are we including engineering topic such as statics and dynamics, fluid dynamics, etc physics? And if so, those countries are teaching upper level university classes in high school. Or are they just slowing down a normal one year course and spreading it over 6 years?For example physics curriculum Gymnasium in Bayern 7th to 12th grade:

https://t3lbbwn7llli6bzhyacucah7ze--www-gym8-lehrplan-bayern-de.translate.goog/contentserv/3.1.neu/g8.de/id_26436.html

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D26437

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D26438

https://t3lbbwn7llli6bzhyacucah7ze--www-gym8-lehrplan-bayern-de.translate.goog/contentserv/3.1.neu/g8.de/id_26439.html

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D27147

Rocky V
03-19-21, 21:07
Because you still believe that the only solution will be the vaccine, let us check what the coming weeks and months will be in Israel to really conclude on the real efficiency of the mass vaccination.Yes, good strategy, I bet that in about 70-75 years most people now living in Israel will be dead!

BigBuddy69
03-19-21, 22:54
Actually not. In typical gaslighting fashion, you decided to compare Sweden to Norway and Denmark, while in my original post I compared Sweden to heavy lockdown countries like the UK, Italy and France. Again, proof that lockdowns do not work.Norway, Denmark, Finland: lockdown.

Sweden: no lockdown.

OUTCOME: 10 times more deaths than in Norway, 9 times more deaths than in Finland, 3, 5 times more deaths than in Denmark.

Your conclusion: lockdowns don't work.

Strange logic at work.

Yes, lockdowns don't work if you want to exterminate the population.

Sweden is on par with Brazil. You can only hope that Brazil is underestimating its deaths. As Bolsonazi said: "we're not a country of faggots".

They did better than Switzerland. For about a month.

They did better than Ireland. For something like a week in April 2020.

What a great model!

BigBuddy69
03-19-21, 23:00
It would make much more sense if the Incidence Value was a (fixed) percentage of the (variable) number of people tested, but the engineers, doctors and scientists in Germany aren't that clever.

The Incident Value (Inzidenzwert) is the number of 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants ("Einwohner," see link below) and NOT per 100 k tests. So more testing will lead to more 'positives,' which will lead to a higher Inzidenzwert, and which will lead to a never ending lockdown. Like this the magical threshold of 35 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants during the last 7 days for reducing the lockdowns will never be reached.This time I agree with you, but you could also say that the more you test, the closer you get to the real Incident Value. The only way to approximate without bias would be to make random tests, but I don't think the subjects will agree.

Kuni042
03-19-21, 23:49
Entirely agree. BTW: the harsher the lockdowns the better they work. See New Zealand, Australia, and many parts of Asiapac, e. G. China, S Korea. Did you see the final of the americas cup? Wow. 10's of thousands of people raving in the harbour with few having masks on.

The only problem is: FKK sucks in the far east (incl OZ).


Norway, Denmark, Finland: lockdown.

Sweden: no lockdown.

OUTCOME: 10 times deaths than in Norway, 9 times deaths than in Finland, 3, 5 times deaths than in Denmark.

Your conclusion: lockdowns don't work.

Strange logic at work.

Yes, lockdowns don't work if you want to exterminate the population.

Sweden is on par with Brazil. You can only hope that Brazil is underestimating its deaths. As Bolsonazi said: "we're not a country of faggots".

They did better than Switzerland. For about a month.

They did better than Ireland. For something like a week in April 2020.

What a great model!

Mursenary
03-19-21, 23:53
For example physics curriculum Gymnasium in Bayern 7th to 12th grade:

https://t3lbbwn7llli6bzhyacucah7ze--www-gym8-lehrplan-bayern-de.translate.goog/contentserv/3.1.neu/g8.de/id_26436.html

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D26437

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D26438

https://t3lbbwn7llli6bzhyacucah7ze--www-gym8-lehrplan-bayern-de.translate.goog/contentserv/3.1.neu/g8.de/id_26439.html

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D27147Browsed that curriculum. I'm impressed that children in Grade 7 are learning physics. That's amazing!

Further evaluation of the curriculum appears that they are taught bits and pieces every year rather than an intensive course condensed into a year. That actually seems like a better way to actually slowly learn and digest the material. That being said, the early years must be a very survey type course as the program does not introduce quadratic equations until later. Regardless, the idea of school age children learning even the basic concepts of physics makes me happy.

Kuni042
03-19-21, 23:57
In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??

P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?



It would make sense if the Incidence Value was a (fixed) percentage of the (variable) number of people tested, but the engineers, doctors and scientists in Germany aren't that clever.

Mursenary
03-20-21, 00:01
At my old time, considered best at school in France were those who were good at maths, and those who were really good went to Louis LE Grand, Saint Louis for me, then engineer high level schools, not as good went to business schools, lower level to universities or medical and I never understood this because for me more than 7 years for medical is more difficult than 5 years for the best engineer cursus, when I met many inefficient high level schools engineers, when from my experiences French doctors make good job, even not exact science like mathematics and I lost too many beloved around me.Good think my undergraduate education was at an engineering school. In the US when medical salaries are higher than the rest of the world, medical education is much more competitive and you do not enter formal medical education until you complete an undergraduate degree. The European system is more efficient as you do not need the level of education that the US requires to practice medicine. At the same time, perhaps that leads to medical personnel being selected from a less talented pool.

Mursenary
03-20-21, 00:15
What I find amusing is that when he specifically says to compare Sweden to the rest of the world, and then given the data he specifically asked for, he suggests that another man is psychologically manipulating him and just moves the goal posts and cherry picks UK and Italy specifically. I wonder why he specifically only wants to include nations who suffered a bulk of casualties before implementing lock downs? Perhaps also to use oversimplified data to make his case while ignoring data that rebukes his assertions.


Norway, Denmark, Finland: lockdown.

Sweden: no lockdown.

OUTCOME: 10 times more deaths than in Norway, 9 times more deaths than in Finland, 3, 5 times more deaths than in Denmark.

Your conclusion: lockdowns don't work.
Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.

Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."
Put Sweden against the world, it fails.

Against Europe. Fails.

Against Scandinavian Peninsula: Fails.

Deaths:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL .

PaulInZurich
03-20-21, 02:54
when I m quite dry fit with the look for climbing.I understand, so you mean tiny little guy with the upper body strength of a 10 year old.

PaulInZurich
03-20-21, 02:59
then You really clean your lungs at 2500 meters high and can fuck covid ...If only you would have told Sagan this, then he wouldn't have caught covid, so now he has no chance for Milan. San Remo. He is clearly not as fit as you.

PaulInZurich
03-20-21, 03:04
when my French bicycle reached at least 5 times top of much steeper Zoncolan, even more up to top of much steeper Mortirolo and discovered Col de Loze with 24% steep and a real wall on top on last Summer.Sure, publish your Strava, then I'll believe you. The thing is, every single time you say something that can be verified, you were proven wrong.

PaulInZurich
03-20-21, 03:10
I like UK people and Scottish and Irish, but they made a really bad after brexit killer gift to Western continental Europe. Germany, Spain and Italy forbid Brits, to protect versus mutant, but France still allow them through tunnel.The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.

BigBuddy69
03-20-21, 06:54
Entirely agree. BTW: the harsher the lockdowns the better they work. See New Zealand, Australia, and many parts of Asiapac, e. G. China, S Korea. Did you see the final of the americas cup? .Unfortunately the harsher the lockdowns the better they destroy the economy also. And they work better if the population has some discipline, with some good social welfare, and if they're used early and in short bursts.

And in the case of new Zealand and Australia living, they're islands so that can help.

Well UK is an island too but it's ruled by a clown and I guess more travelers come and go from the continent. And the density is not the same.

Sirioja
03-20-21, 07:36
In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??

P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?As a claimed addicted by those who can t go as often as me, but I don t blame Germany who try their best to protect their citizens, when too many deaths under second wave, when lack of vaccine, when AZ will only be given to between 55 and 75, Angela even being ready to buy sputnik Vladimir as soon EU will allow it, when Hungary didn't wait for EU allowance to buy, reminding of the past. With elections for after Angela, when she fell on last week end elections, under covid and deaths, not sure brothels are the best point to be elected. For those who are in hurry, some clubs are open in Switzerland out of ZH. I was quite close 1 week ago and I used to go when I went there as soon I finished, when less than 3 hours driving to go and could test pushing to Lörrach. De, but even had a pretty target seen at Zeus to discover at Cleo. Be, but I preferred to return home to watch ski. After watching ski I could watch later when they replay on Eurosport, I thought: what happen, just not in the mood when I miss so much ski, won't be again for second Winter, will have to wait maybe for Summer ski, if can reach Klein Matterhorn from Breuil Italy.

Ararat
03-20-21, 10:44
The Incident Value (Inzidenzwert) is the number of 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants ("Einwohner," see link below) and NOT per 100 k tests. So more testing will lead to more 'positives,' Exactly what the Swedish authorities understood in March last year. So they discouraged testing.

HammerTime96
03-20-21, 11:49
In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??

P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?Then explain me the 'logic' behind the Inzidenzwert, and why this is not a percentage of the number of tests, but instead a fixed number of 'positive cases' per 100000 inhabitants?

More tests = more 'cases,' and yet the Inzidenzwert of 35 remains fixed. This is complete bullshit and this will never lead to lifting lockdowns! (or opening FKKs for that matter).

My statement about German doctors, engineers and scientists was sarcastic, because how come that nobody in Germany seems to notice this? There seems to be NOT A SINGLE scientist in the German government who can say: "wait a minute, a fixed Inzidenzwert + an increasing number of tests is bullshit. " Are they all brainwashed and part of a new cult again?

Reality is unfortunately, that Germany (Merkel + her sock puppet Ursula von der Leyen) are controlling the EU, so many other nations look at Germany and scratch their heads wondering why;.

*) they can't even count.

*) they can't even organise a vaccination campaign.

*) they can't make a reopening plan.

*) how corrupt politicians have been able to fill their pockets with 'masks-deals'.

Under Merkel, Germany has fallen from a leading 1st world nation to a at best a 2nd word banana republic, and I'm not even talking about the potholes in the streets and the crumbling digital infrastructure.

HammerTime96
03-20-21, 11:54
Sure, what is the alternative solution from your point of view?Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.

The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf (page 7).

It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.

ExpatLover
03-20-21, 17:20
The UK Government has also made some scandalous decisions particularly early on resulting in huge deaths however they are finally listening properly to their Health experts & scientists and finally (currently) making huge positive steps.

Nobody is able to predict the future of this pandemy, I am not so sure the UK government made the right decision only the future will tell us, 1 year back so many on this forum were saying I am crazy pessimistic but the today reality is far above what I was expecting. We have to see what will happen with the new coming variants and how the vaccine will be efficient.

ExpatLover
03-20-21, 17:25
Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.

The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf (page 7).

It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.If now we believe WHO I am afraid we are going to face strong nightmares. The situation is just terrible in many countries in Europe, we all know that 50% of the dead are obese and the most of the other 50% have very limited life expectancy (less than 1 year), I can also go more in details about ethnicity, social class. But all this is just unacceptable for a waste majority of people, milked with twitter, Facebook, CNN.

BigBuddy69
03-20-21, 17:30
Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.

The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf (page 7).

It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.Just a little problem, if the virus gets totally out of control (well actually he's not really controlled right now), the icu will be saturated, and that means certain death (or very likely) for the poor guys who will need a ventilator but who arrive too late. And I think that the mortality rate will skyrocket.

You want to be the guy at the entrance of the hospital who send families back home saying 'don't worry he'll just suffocate, no splatter on the wall' or who sort the patients arriving, like 'oh grandpa has lived long enough, it's time to make room for the young ones' or 'you should have eaten less burgers fatty, now it's time to go feed the worms'? Be my guest.

PaulInZurich
03-20-21, 17:36
Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.

The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf (page 7).

It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.You still didn't say what the alternative is, unless the alternative you propose is open it all up and who cares if the old and the sick die.

More that 550 000 deaths in the US in one year. If there would be no vaccine, can you calculate how many more would die until herd immunity is reached?

The Cane
03-20-21, 17:46
The Cane pointed out about this almost a year ago about vaccines passport and man! I am someone who do not want to take vaccines, but now I may have to because of this stupid vaccine passport! I wonder how that works though because it will discriminate many nations that are not so developed!It's role your sleeve up and get vaccinated, and download and install the passport app for proof, or stay home and no tute pussy and ass for you! Now, you know what The Cane is going to do hahaha!

PaulInZurich
03-20-21, 18:31
It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.You should try living in reality, it is so much easier.

Regardless of what you write in this forum, the reality is that FKKs will only open when governments will consider that enough people are vaccinated.

The less people get vaccines, the longer the FKKs stay closed. You must be a religious or moralist fanatic who wants to keep FKKs closed forever.

Canary
03-20-21, 19:31
The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.Of course that's totally correct. The virus mutates irrespective of which Country it is in.

McAdonis
03-20-21, 20:24
More tests = more 'cases,'If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR.

Sirioja
03-20-21, 20:49
The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.I don't think anybody made any mutation, just from location where started, but UK spread a lot, making trip, making clusters in some ski resorts, when they knew about, and killing Western continental Europe where they travelled even knowing. When their mutant spread and kill 60% more, I wonder how many deaths from UK mutant, when we know what happened in Portugal, and now in Italy or France where more than 50% new cases are mutant, mostly UK, Germany and Spain preferring to protect versus UK, must be a reason when not helping business.

Mursenary
03-20-21, 21:13
This time I agree with you, but you could also say that the more you test, the closer you get to the real Incident Value. The only way to approximate without bias would be to make random tests, but I don't think the subjects will agree.Is that approach the right approach? Incidence thresholds based on 100 K tests rather than 100 K inhabitants? There is a selective bias for this approach, favoring people who are symptomatic enough to feel the need to take a test or seek medical care in the first place. Basing policy based on percent positive of all tests would naturally give less importance to a major source of transmission, asymptomatic carriers and mild cases, as they will likely never even take the test and their role in transmission to the vulnerable would go unaccounted.

Yes, testing more would produce higher incidence rates with a set population size; but as you state, it will be a more accurate value.

Where you stand on this matter is likely determined by your motivating interest. Are you interested in obtaining real incidence rates for the sake of public health policy or is your goal to get to a target incidence rate that is less reflective of reality but would make it easier for you to get to a brothel.

Sirioja
03-20-21, 21:28
If only you would have told Sagan this, then he wouldn't have caught covid, so now he has no chance for Milan. San Remo. He is clearly not as fit as you.For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me and not same dietetics also, he should stop to smoke or drink, and I'm sure he doesn't like climbing like me. I proposed you already few times for Gran San Bernardino, you take your light carbon, I take my crappy child bicycle with roulettes little wheels and let s go just for fun to open and clean lungs breathing fresh air, ask your doctor if this is not efficient versus covid when I remember how many WGs I kissed and fucked since covid, I will drive from Aosta, letting car on top. If bald fat bullshiting French want we climb Galibier from Valloire, or with telegraphe before, let s go also, I look forward and for my Summer. I never saw any carbon climbing without a guy sweating on and Sagan doesn't like this, he does only for green suit and money, when I enjoy my passion. He is a puncher, not a climber, too heavy, not fit enough.

Sirioja
03-20-21, 21:36
Good think my undergraduate education was at an engineering school. In the US when medical salaries are higher than the rest of the world, medical education is much more competitive and you do not enter formal medical education until you complete an undergraduate degree. The European system is more efficient as you do not need the level of education that the US requires to practice medicine. At the same time, perhaps that leads to medical personnel being selected from a less talented pool.Not for students selection in 80's, but for me doctors are higher level than engineers, even not exact science, even I heard too many times: we can't do more, even I cried too often, when I learned from my studies: each problem have at least one solution, for basic for mathematics, but when we mistake as engineer, we can break and do again, not about life.

Sirioja
03-20-21, 21:45
Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.Even vaccined, you can still get and give. Vaccined won't put anymore mask and will give to not vaccined who will also give. Wish covid will be bored of humans and return where it came from. Maybe better not to eat pangolin, when poor rhinos or elephants or tigers are useless to be hard, sport is more efficient to get healthy and hard to be able to fuck.

Kuni042
03-20-21, 22:08
I don't dispute your argument. - Yet I am sure that your numbers are also considered. The point of reporting the one number to the masses is that they got used to it.

Politics is likely driven by quite a few other numbers and considerations. And I still agree it is all shitty politics. I totally share your frustrations.

And yes, current direction maybe to remain having FKK and disco clubs closed for a long while.


Then explain me the 'logic' behind the Inzidenzwert, and why this is not a percentage of the number of tests, but instead a fixed number of 'positive cases' per 100000 inhabitants?

tests = 'cases,' and yet the Inzidenzwert of 35 remains fixed. This is complete bullshit and this will never lead to lifting lockdowns! (or opening FKKs for that matter).

My statement about German doctors, engineers and scientists was sarcastic, because how come that nobody in Germany seems to notice this? There seems to be NOT A SINGLE scientist in the German government who can say: "wait a minute, a fixed Inzidenzwert + an increasing number of tests is bullshit. " Are they all brainwashed and part of a new cult again?

Reality is unfortunately, that Germany (Merkel + her sock puppet Ursula von der Leyen) are controlling the EU, so many other nations look at Germany and scratch their heads wondering why;.

*) they can't even count.

*) they can't even organise a vaccination campaign.

*) they can't make a reopening plan.

*) how corrupt politicians have been able to fill their pockets with 'masks-deals'.

Under Merkel, Germany has fallen from a leading 1st world nation to a at best a 2nd word banana republic, and I'm not even talking about the potholes in the streets and the crumbling digital infrastructure.

Kuni042
03-20-21, 22:14
Yes, being an island or a totalitarian system obviously help. I would still maintain, one could have created pseudo-islands in Europe. It could have saved 100 K and more lives. And so much economic well-fare.


Unfortunately the harsher the lockdowns the better they destroy the economy also. And they work better if the population has some discipline, with some good social welfare, and if they're used early and in short bursts.

And in the case of new Zealand and Australia living, they're islands so that can help.

Well UK is an island too but it's ruled by a clown and I guess travelers come and go from the continent. And the density is not the same.

Sirioja
03-20-21, 22:30
I understand, so you mean tiny little guy with the upper body strength of a 10 year old.If you ever tried climbing real steep, not 6/8%, but more than 13% and I let you imagine, have you ever seen more than 20%, a bit scary when you are in front at the bottom, then you should know your own weight is your enemy, much more than carbon versus ally, my sport is not to play Sumo, but to fight gravity and Newton and I'm ready to do my best to achieve my passions I non stop dream about, no too long runs, not more than 90 kms for up and down, but most extreme steep, like for my free riding spots, more and more extreme, to get new adrenaline, making you feel so good. Look at Xtreme Verbier 25th birthday on next week, remind me Mont Gelé , not Tortin but Verbier side through rocks.

Sirioja
03-20-21, 22:44
I don't dispute your argument. - Yet I am sure that your numbers are also considered. The point of reporting the one number to the masses is that they got used to it.

Politics is likely driven by quite a few other numbers and considerations. And I still agree it is all shitty politics. I totally share your frustrations.

And yes, current direction maybe to remain having FKK and disco clubs closed for a long while.Don't Germans wish and need more safety than now? Is being big brothel of Western Europe with guys bringing their diseases from all over the world what Germans wish? When elections to come for after Angela. Is Bavarian on good way for after Angela? When he wanted to close border with cousin Tirol under mutant.

Carpaccio18
03-20-21, 22:52
Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.Well, we will probably start to see the efficiency of vaccines in a few months, whieverway. Israel is far into it, and UK is pushing 40% with first jab. That will start to reflect in the number of people getting real sick and hospitalized from this damn thing. Once that happens (and hopefully in a good way), maybe we can start seeing countries getting affected more like a normal flu, and stop talking about wave 3, 4, 5 and whatever. And get on with our lives.

But there seem to be a real push from EU and many countries to make corona passport a reality, some to save the tourism industry. Same already have printed versions, and common smarphone apps are in the making.

The passport seem intended for flying, fetstivals, concerts, nightclubs etc where many pepole are in one place or close proximity. Thus it would be obvious to let FKKs open in the same way. EU comission want it ready before summer.

Mursenary
03-21-21, 01:17
If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR.Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.

The encouraging trend is that Czechia, the apparent epicenter of the recent surge, appears to have decreased their incidence rate. While frustrating for the people living in Germany, from the outside looking in, Germany's non-vaccine related initiatives still seems to be superior to most of the rest of continental Europe. For now, I'll keep faith that Germany will keep this surge from becoming a true wave. No way it becomes as bad as Christmas. Or can it?

Mursenary
03-21-21, 01:28
That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.Gaslighting? Did I? Do you feel psychologically manipulated or abused? I'm so sorry. Do you need a tissue Karen Sue?

Or maybe you don't know meaning of the term gaslighting.

No I am not gaslighting or fearmongering. I want to get to the end of this like most people. Part of that involves countering the statements that conspiracy theorists and people with selfish intents spew from Bullshit Mountain.

Mursenary
03-21-21, 01:31
And hey, just a third reminder, you got the data you asked for. And you were wrong.


Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.

Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."
Put Sweden against the world, it fails.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL

Mursenary
03-21-21, 01:53
Vaccination efficacy Cause for concern:

While countries like UK, US, and Israel have seen drastic improvements since vaccine rollouts, some countries oppose the trend and bring up a major concern. Countries with higher than average vaccination rates like Chile and Serbia buck the trend and continue to see rising cases.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=188..423&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=BHR~CHL~SRB

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 06:30
For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me and not same dietetics also, he should stop to smoke or drink, and I'm sure he doesn't like climbing like me. I proposed you already few times for Gran San Bernardino, you take your light carbon, I take my crappy child bicycle with roulettes little wheels and let s go just for fun to open and clean lungs breathing fresh air, ask your doctor if this is not efficient versus covid when I remember how many WGs I kissed and fucked since covid, I will drive from Aosta, letting car on top. If bald fat bullshiting French want we climb Galibier from Valloire, or with telegraphe before, let s go also, I look forward and for my Summer. I never saw any carbon climbing without a guy sweating on and Sagan doesn't like this, he does only for green suit and money, when I enjoy my passion. He is a puncher, not a climber, too heavy, not fit enough.Let's see, on one side, Peter Sagan, 31 years, professional cyclist for 10+ years, 3 times World Champion, 7 times winner green Jersey, 12 Tour de France stages, 1 Giro stage, 4 Vuelta stages, winner at Flanders and Roubaix, 1 time European champion, countless half classics.

On the other side, random guy on the internet, 50+, claiming he is fitter than Sagan.

You claiming that you are more fit in any possible way is as believable as all your stories about "your" WGs how you make all of them cum and how they all want you.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 06:37
I don't think anybody made any mutation, just from location where started, but UK spread a lot, making trip, making clusters in some ski resorts, when they knew about, and killing Western continental Europe where they travelled even knowing. When their mutant spread and kill 60% more, I wonder how many deaths from UK mutant, when we know what happened in Portugal, and now in Italy or France where more than 50% new cases are mutant, mostly UK, Germany and Spain preferring to protect versus UK, must be a reason when not helping business.So you mean these were people who thought they can't possible get and transmit covid, who decide their fun is the most important thing, how careless and selfish of them?

Got it.

Samplerr
03-21-21, 06:41
While countries like UK, US, and Israel have seen drastic improvements since vaccine rollouts, some countries oppose the trend and bring up a major concern. Countries with higher than average vaccination rates like Chile and Serbia buck the trend and continue to see rising cases.In Serbia apparently they're mostly using the Sinopharm vaccine from China. According to this article Sinopharm produces antibodies more slowly.

https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-vaccine-rollout-infodemic-politicization/31130079.html

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 06:58
Even vaccined, you can still get and give. Vaccined won't put anymore mask and will give to not vaccined who will also give...Studies that start coming out claim that vaccines substantially reduce transmission.

Pfizer and Moderna.

https://www.businessinsider.com/vaccines-reduce-coronavirus-transmission-early-research-2021-2?r=US&IR=T

Astrazeneca.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-02-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-shows-sustained-protection-76-during-3-month-interval

Earlier there was not enough data to make a claim about transmission rates, but this is being looked at. With the hundreds of millions of doses given, the data will come out.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 07:04
Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.UK (and US) has a much higher vaccination rate. EU so far can claim that they don't have enough doses, but I fear that they will fumble on large scale distribution when larger quantities will become available.

Once enough doses are available, they have to supply any Hausarzt, pharmacy, etc with vaccines.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 07:09
If you ever tried climbing real steep, not 6/8%, but more than 13% and I let you imagine, have you ever seen more than 20%..This might be news for you, there is this thing called mountain biking. I think in France they call it VTT. Plenty of steep climbs available with the added bonus of uneven terrain and reduced traction.

You just need the right gearing.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 07:59
If now we believe WHO I am afraid we are going to face strong nightmares. The situation is just terrible in many countries in Europe, we all know that 50% of the dead are obese and the most of the other 50% have very limited life expectancy (less than 1 year), I can also go more in details about ethnicity, social class. But all this is just unacceptable for a waste majority of people, milked with twitter, Facebook, CNN.Please tell this to my buddy, 42 years old, sub 12 h ironman finisher, multiple marathons, half marathons and 10 k runs, was training for the Great Divide race 4900 km, did several grand fondos, then every winter ski touring.

He is now doing Reha for 4 month and still has to stop to catch up his breath going up a flight of stairs. Sure he is not a typical case, but see one case like this with your own eyes and maybe you don't just think, who cares if somebody's grandma is dead, she should have gone easier on the cake.

Sirioja
03-21-21, 08:46
Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.

The encouraging trend is that Czechia, the apparent epicenter of the recent surge, appears to have decreased their incidence rate. While frustrating for the people living in Germany, from the outside looking in, Germany's non-vaccine related initiatives still seems to be superior to most of the rest of continental Europe. For now, I'll keep faith that Germany will keep this surge from becoming a true wave. No way it becomes as bad as Christmas. Or can it?High peak was planned by Western EU on March, and even use again AZ but with restrictions, only between 55 and 75, when I think was only tested for less than 65. When trouble making her falling on recent elections in 2 landers, Angela is even waiting for sputnik to be allowed by EU, when many Russians don't trust and when many in Germany and France don t want AZ. With elections for after Angela after Summer, I wonder who would risk to allow reopening of big brothel risky playfield. On 2021, Germany may not be so open, when they also had so many deaths, when was open for about 5 months for Samya, LR, Gold, on last year. But cleverness is ability to adapt and improve for me, so not only Germany, but I wish the best for our neighbour.

Ararat
03-21-21, 08:50
Well obviously. He's an elite cyclist and much, much more fit than you.


For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me

Sirioja
03-21-21, 09:30
Well obviously. He's an elite cyclist and much, much more fit than you.For sure, he is faster when I don t need carbon nor electric gears, but more than 80 kgs, which don t help to climb steep, I think we was in grupetto on col de Loze at 5/6 km / h on steepest, and just for green suit and trying to win on Champs Elysees. Ask him if he enjoyed the spot, when for sure I will return to try to improve. As long I will be able, I will go because fun with adrenaline for me there, when I doubt for him. Look at climber racers and look at him, You should see a bit of difference for body and much more important than carbon versus my alloy I feel much better to try to keep my front wheel on the floor when around 20%, then can t sit.

BigBuddy69
03-21-21, 09:37
Well obviously. He's an elite cyclist and much, much more fit than you.Everyone with a functioning brain should understand that. We're talking about a man who trains something like 30 or 40 hours a week, who is able to ride a bike during three weeks at an average speed above 40 km / h for more than 3000 km, 30 000 m of cumulative climbing, who can take a part in a massive sprint at the end of some of the stages where the sprinters get close to 70 km / h.

He was 3 times world champion. He's not the kind of guy who puts a mountain bike cassette on some kind of hybrid cheap touring bike and realizes that it's easier to climb with that. Actually he was a mountain biker before, some people should go on the internet to look at some videos he made with one of his teammates riding a Cannondale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwTy3N5T9uw

Maybe he'll get a a better idea of how technical and physical Peter Sagan is. But fantasy worlds hold as long as you avoid confronting them with reality.

BigBuddy69
03-21-21, 10:23
Is that approach the right approach? Incidence thresholds based on 100 K tests rather than 100 K inhabitants? There is a selective bias for this approach, favoring people who are symptomatic enough to feel the need to take a test or seek medical care in the first place. Basing policy based on percent positive of all tests would naturally give less importance to a major source of transmission, asymptomatic carriers and mild cases, as they will likely never even take the test and their role in transmission to the vulnerable would go unaccounted.
Yes, testing more would produce higher incidence rates with a set population size; but as you state, it will be a more accurate value.
Where you stand on this matter is likely determined by your motivating interest. Are you interested in obtaining real incidence rates for the sake of public health policy or is your goal to get to a target incidence rate that is less reflective of reality but would make it easier for you to get to a brothel.Both approaches are inaccurate. As you said, there is a selective bias, some of the people taking the test are more likely to be sick: either they have symptoms or they had someone sick in their close circle. But he has a point here: the way the data is communicated to the public is not really clear, and the more you test the more the incidence rate will increase. An increase in the incidence rate doesn't always mean that the virus is spreading faster, it can also mean that the test capacity increased, or that for one reason or another the share of people who are likely to be sick increased in the total number of people passing the test. Either way, the incidence rate communicated is inferior to the real incidence rate but will converge towards the real IR as the test capacity is increasing.

But if we do as he said (displaying the number of positive tests as a percentage of the total number of tests), it won't be so accurate either and probably above the real number for the same reason, the selective bias: the people taking the tests are more likely to be sick. Or you have to do a massive test campaign, encouraging everyone to get tested even if they feel good and offering convenient testing facilities (at work for example and the time you spend doing the tests is taken from your mandatory work time). Or random tests on large enough samples but I don't think it would be legal. Maybe in some authoritarian country?

HammerTime96
03-21-21, 11:44
Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.That's because you sit in your ER in Southern US playing George Clooney, and you're clueless about how Europe 'works' and clueless about how incompetent Germany and Merkel really are.

As I've frequently said, the EU couldn't organise a binge-drinking party in a brewery, and the EU is a larger copy of Germany, completely dominated by Germany. Smaller, smarte solutions are better, but the EU treats every problem with the same 'efficiency' as the communist USSR, hence the nickname EUSSR.

Anyway, as I predicted, the EU politicians fucked up everything: lockdowns, vaccine rollout, bankrupting the entire economy. Inevitably the 'virus' will mutate and the 'vaccine' will be useless: hence lockdowns forever.


I don't dispute your argument. - Yet I am sure that your numbers are also considered.No, they do NOT consider 'my' numbers. Read German media, and you'll see that they ONLY focus on the Inzidenz Value, the way a bull focuses on a red flag.


If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR.No.

Imagine you have a fictional city of exactly 100 k inhabitants. Also imagine that you do 100% testing of al citizens, an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but this exaggeration is just to illustrate my point. Also assume that the PC test generates 1% false positive results. You automatically get an "Inzidenzwert" of 1000 per 100000 inhabitants!

To make things even more stupid, I'll give you an example from the Berlin suburb of Kleinmachnow: https://coronatest-tks.de.

Notice how it says: "Getestet werden nur gesunde, symptomfreie Personen."

Translation: they are only testing healthy people without symptoms! Hahahahaha! So a fixed Incident Value of 35 + testing hundreds of thousands of healthy people without any symptoms + an x% of false positives = a Incident Value permanently 35.

This is basic math, but most German 'scientists' advising Merkel, and the German media don't seem to get this. Or is this all done on purpose? I'm not a big fan of conspiracies, but such sheer level of stupidity + banning-blocking-censoring any scientist that disagrees with Merkel's absolutely lunatic policies can no longer be a coincidence.

HammerTime96
03-21-21, 11:51
If now we believe WHO I am afraid we are going to face strong nightmares. The situation is just terrible in many countries in Europe, we all know that 50% of the dead are obese and the most of the other 50% have very limited life expectancy (less than 1 year), I can also go more in details about ethnicity, social class. But all this is just unacceptable for a waste majority of people, milked with twitter, Facebook, CNN.Yes, and the alternative would have been much easier: allow young and healthy people to build herd immunity (could have been achieved by summer last year, because a virus will quickly 'burn itself out' if it can not find anymore hosts), whilst temporarily isolating the elderly and obese people at risk.

This is what a lot of scientists were advocating, but those scientists have all been censored in the MSM, and on YuTube, Twatter and Shitbook and we could have been fucking hotties in Sharks today with only 50 Euros entry fee before 14:00.

ExpatLover
03-21-21, 11:56
Well, we will probably start to see the efficiency of vaccines in a few months, whieverway. Israel is far into it, and UK is pushing 40% with first jab. That will start to reflect in the number of people getting real sick and hospitalized from this damn thing. Once that happens (and hopefully in a good way), maybe we can start seeing countries getting affected more like a normal flu, and stop talking about wave 3, 4, 5 and whatever. And get on with our lives.

But there seem to be a real push from EU and many countries to make corona passport a reality, some to save the tourism industry. Same already have printed versions, and common smarphone apps are in the making.

The passport seem intended for flying, fetstivals, concerts, nightclubs etc where many pepole are in one place or close proximity. Thus it would be obvious to let FKKs open in the same way. EU comission want it ready before summer.If you compare the curbs from Israel and UK of 2020 with the one of 2021 you will see that the decrease was stronger and faster without vaccine, so we need to wait and the scientifics have to study the things. The problem is not the vaccine or the passport, if in the coming months many vaccinated people get sick it will be game over for the passport. China economy is booming, covid is under control, there is no mass vaccination and no passport, may be we should start to look about the best performers and not about US and UK which are extremely poor performers in the battle against covid.

ExpatLover
03-21-21, 12:02
I don't think anybody made any mutation, just from location where started, but UK spread a lot, making trip, making clusters in some ski resorts, when they knew about, and killing Western continental Europe where they travelled even knowing. When their mutant spread and kill 60% more, I wonder how many deaths from UK mutant, when we know what happened in Portugal, and now in Italy or France where more than 50% new cases are mutant, mostly UK, Germany and Spain preferring to protect versus UK, must be a reason when not helping business.They made clusters in ski resorts because we let them enter the country, try to make a cluster in China? Each country can close the borders but business is more important than health like for many fucking prostitutes in covid times is more important than to stay safe at home.

HammerTime96
03-21-21, 12:18
Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.Spot on.

Take a look at this interview of Geert vanden Bossche: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc.

He's a vaccine expert (PhD in virology), has helped develop lots of vaccines, worked for lots of pharmaceutical companies, was head of GAVI (the vaccine foundation from Bill and Melinda Gates) and he is now WARNING that the current vaccination strategy is madness.

In case YuTube deletes it, here is another link on BitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/BNmUyioaAETO/.

Dr Geert vanden Bossche's impressive resume:


Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s GH Discovery team as SPO and later on to work with GAVI as Senior Ebola Program Manager; he subsequently joined the German Center for Infection Research as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. Geert is now primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on NK cell-based vaccines. His work is driven by a relentless passion to translate scientific breakthrough findings into competitive vaccine products. As a creative thinker, innovator, entrepreneur and visionary, Geert has been invited to speak at multiple international congresses.https://www.geertvandenbossche.org

Chongmal
03-21-21, 13:24
I see now that Delta and Qantas have announced that they will require vaccines for passengers on flights. I think we are on the way to seeing the requirement to prove vaccine history for non Schengen countries to arrive near a Sauna Club.