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Canary
03-21-21, 14:49
and UK is pushing 40% with first jab.Actually the UK has vaccinated over 50% of the population.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 16:03
Yes, and the alternative would have been much easier: allow young and healthy people to build herd immunity (could have been achieved by summer last year, because a virus will quickly 'burn itself out' if it can not find anymore hosts), whilst temporarily isolating the elderly and obese people at risk.

This is what a lot of scientists were advocating, but those scientists have all been censored in the MSM, and on YuTube, Twatter and Shitbook and we could have been fucking hotties in Sharks today with only 50 Euros entry fee before 14:00.Please tell me again how herd immunity was already achieved in Sweden last summer.

HammerTime96
03-21-21, 16:07
Once enough doses are available, they have to supply any Hausarzt, pharmacy, etc with vaccines.Count on the middle of April, at the earliest.

https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland/corona-impfungen-beim-hausarzt-nicht-vor-mitte-april


nicht vor Mitte April'Not before the middle of April' and this has now been more or less rounded up to the 19th of April, see link below:

https://www.rtl.de/cms/corona-impfung-beim-hausarzt-jens-spahn-erklaert-warum-das-so-lange-dauert-4721017.html


Nach einer Empfehlung der Gesundheitsminister von Bund und Ländern sollen Impfungen in Praxen "frühestmöglich", aber spätestens in der Woche vom 19. April starten.Today is the 21st, so roughly speaking this will only start 1 month from now.

As I said before: Germans couldn't organize a drinking party in a brewery.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 16:10
If you compare the curbs from Israel and UK of 2020 with the one of 2021 you will see that the decrease was stronger and faster without vaccine, so we need to wait and the scientifics have to study the things. The problem is not the vaccine or the passport, if in the coming months many vaccinated people get sick it will be game over for the passport. China economy is booming, covid is under control, there is no mass vaccination and no passport, may be we should start to look about the best performers and not about US and UK which are extremely poor performers in the battle against covid.How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.

China will not do mass vaccinations?

"Now Beijing is shifting gears, aiming to inoculate 40% of its 1. 4 billion people by the end of June. " I would argue that sounds like mass vaccination.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-china-anal/analysis-chinas-ambitious-covid-19-vaccination-plan-to-test-its-production-capability-idUSKBN2B70S8

China will no do a vaccine passport? "China unveiled a vaccine passport this month that could be accessed through WeChat".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/china-embraces-vaccine-passports-while-the-west-mulls-ethics/13252588

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 16:24
... I think we was in grupetto on col de Loze at 5/6 km / h on steepest, and just for green suit and trying to win on Champs Elysees. ... I'll explain for you how the grupetto works. People who don't care on that particular stage how they place, do as little effort as possible, just enough to not miss the time cut. They save energy for the future stages. So there are oodles of amateurs who went faster than the grupetto on some climb. What those amateurs need to understand is that A) they don't do 21 stages in 3 weeks B) they don't do the full stage before that particular climb and C) any of the pros could still go much faster if they have to and smoke the wannabees.

Just because he was in the grupetto on some stage, does not mean he can't go harder if he wants to.

Did Marc Madiot call you already? He could use a rider who is stronger than Sagan, assuming you don't want salary close to what Sagan makes (EUR 5.5 millions).

HammerTime96
03-21-21, 16:27
Please tell this to my buddy, 42 years old, sub 12 h ironman finisher, multiple marathons, half marathons and 10 k runs, was training for the Great Divide race 4900 km, did several grand fondos, then every winter ski touring.

He is now doing Reha for 4 month and still has to stop to catch up his breath going up a flight of stairs. Sure he is not a typical case, but see one case like this with your own eyes and maybe you don't just think, who cares if somebody's grandma is dead, she should have gone easier on the cake.More proof that extreme sportsmen are not 'healthy?' I've heard this before, extremely fit endurance athletes having serious struggles with Covid19 and taking months to recover. The again, I also frequently hear of these "he-runs-marathons-he-never-drinks-never-smokes-how-could-this-happen?" 'healthy' athletes dying at an early age due to heart attacks, strokes or cancer.

As always, do things (including fucking in FKKs) in some moderation and you'll live longer and happier. Any addiction (driving 1800 kms from Paris to fuck some FKK WG), including being addicted to sports for an dopamine rush, is never a good thing.

That's why many religions and cultures have a fasting tradition (moderation and self-cleansing), and that's why in many parts of this world "irrational exuberance" (Alan Greenspan) is frowned upon.

Except of course in the US and UK, where "Big is Beautiful" and the Anglo-Saxon culture worships huge unnatural silicone tits, big plastic fuel-guzzling cars, big aircraft carriers and big armies ruining dozens of countries, financial exuberance on Wall Street, and supersize-me fast food meals with half a Gallon of sugary 'soft' drinks.

Bigger is not always better, and the same goes for extremist nutcases who run '4900 km Great Divide' marathons, or people who step into an MMA octagon and beat the shit out of each other.

P.S. I have tremendous respect for the willpower and physical capability to do those extreme sports, but as the Covid19 cases illustrate, it is not healthy in the long run.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 16:30
Count on the middle of April, at the earliest.

https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland/corona-impfungen-beim-hausarzt-nicht-vor-mitte-april

'Not before the middle of April' and this has now been more or less rounded up to the 19th of April, see link below:

https://www.rtl.de/cms/corona-impfung-beim-hausarzt-jens-spahn-erklaert-warum-das-so-lange-dauert-4721017.html

Today is the 21st, so roughly speaking this will only start 1 month from now.

As I said before: Germans couldn't organize a drinking party in a brewery.I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.

ExpatLover
03-21-21, 16:58
How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.

China will not do mass vaccinations?

"Now Beijing is shifting gears, aiming to inoculate 40% of its 1. 4 billion people by the end of June. " I would argue that sounds like mass vaccination.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-china-anal/analysis-chinas-ambitious-covid-19-vaccination-plan-to-test-its-production-capability-idUSKBN2B70S8

China will no do a vaccine passport? "China unveiled a vaccine passport this month that could be accessed through WeChat".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/china-embraces-vaccine-passports-while-the-west-mulls-ethics/13252588Sorry but I have a lot of friends in China, I can speak Chinese, have a Chinese driving license. I am spending several hours per day on Wechat with Chinese people may be I am better informed that many so called journalists. What is better 1 hard lockdown for 6 weeks and after that life back to normal, economy is booming or several lockdowns like in Europe and life not coming back to normal even 1 year after. I would from far prefer the Chinese solution. When the countries are succeeding we always find a lot of counter example it is not a democracy. For sure the US and Europe usually 2 parties are leading the countries for the last 50 years give a very good example of democracy, like in France a very good example of the democracy 30% of the voters for FN of Marine LE Pen more or less no representatives despite having the highest voters.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 17:11
As always, do things (including fucking in FKKs) in some moderation and you'll live longer and happier. Any addiction (driving 1800 kms from Paris to fuck some FKK WG), including being addicted to sports for an dopamine rush, is never a good thing.We agree on this, moderation is good in everything. That guy had definitely too much stress in his life. Two kids, very expensive wife (but smoking hot), very stressful job, plus all the hours he was training.

BigBuddy69
03-21-21, 17:54
This might be news for you, there is this thing called mountain biking. I think in France they call it VTT. Plenty of steep climbs available with the added bonus of uneven terrain and reduced traction.

You just need the right gearing.Well someone who has a 36 cog should know what a mountain bike is because 36 cogs are typically found on mountain bike cassettes. So if you put a mountain bike cassette on a road bike or on some kind of 'hybrid' thing with two wheels, yes it's easier to climb.

Actually in your nice country with well mannered policemen, they have a few mountain bike events with 4000 m or more of climbing like the infamous grand raid from verbier to grimentz.

I tried it a few times, never made it past the last gate because they stop you if you're too late. But for a great climber who trains 4 week a year, the last climb would be a piece of cake. You have 4000 m of climbing in the legs, still 800 m to go and basically its a wall, everyone is pushing or carrying.

PaulInZurich
03-21-21, 18:11
What is better 1 hard lockdown for 6 weeks and after that life back to normal, economy is booming or several lockdowns like in Europe and life not coming back to normal even 1 year after. I would from far prefer the Chinese solution. I personally agree that harder longer EU wide lockdowns starting in November would have been better in the long run. At the same time allow entry in the EU only with recent negative test.

Rocky V
03-21-21, 18:13
I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.Each member state can get any vaccine they want if they want to negotiate as a single state. Hungary and Bulgaria, for example, also use the Russian vaccine. EU and India are the two largest exporters of vaccines to other countries, US has a complete ban on vaccine exports and UK has not exported a single dose out of the very few they produce. So, EU and India have started to close the vaccines taps to other countries, so they can get up to speed with their own vaccinations.

Mursenary
03-21-21, 19:12
Both approaches are inaccurate. As you said, there is a selective bias, some of the people taking the test are more likely to be sick: either they have symptoms or they had someone sick in their close circle. But he has a point here: the way the data is communicated to the public is not really clear, and the more you test the more the incidence rate will increase. An increase in the incidence rate doesn't always mean that the virus is spreading faster, it can also mean that the test capacity increased, or that for one reason or another the share of people who are likely to be sick increased in the total number of people passing the test. Either way, the incidence rate communicated is inferior to the real incidence rate but will converge towards the real IR as the test capacity is increasing.Without a doubt communication and messaging has been horrid. Even I had to search for clarity for the parameters of the 35 per 100 K statistic. If I am not mistaken, 35 cases means cases per week per 100 K inhabitants. That in itself was not made obviously clear. It is even more confusing since incidence is more often reported in daily cases, or the more useful 7-day daily average.

But I think it is important to point out what the increase in the value of the number would mean and what it does not mean. It should go without having to be explicitly said that testing more does not actually increase the incidence, it just gives you a higher but more accurate value for true incidence. That true value didn't change because we tested more, we just calculated a more accurate number. That fact is key to my question of one's primary motivation; are you interested in making policy off of the most accurate data possible or arbitrarily making it to a set number in order to get into a brothel faster?

That being said, I do understand why keeping the incidence set at 35 per 100 K per week is frustrating. Perhaps there is a reason 35 is an important number in calculating R_naught (0) but I am not familiar. 35 cases per 100 K inhabitants per week translates to a 7-day rolling average of 5 new cases per 100 K per day which is 50 positives per 1 million inhabitants per day. Germany is triple that at over 150 per million per day. As far as most western nations are from that number, it is not absurd and has been achieved in various geographically isolated countries like NZ, Australia, Japan, South Korea, etc. Currently, I see 2 European nations that meet the criteria, Iceland and Portugal.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=400..424&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=NZL KOR JPN AUS DEU PRT ISL

Despite the criticisms of Germany on this board, they remain ahead of most of the rest of Europe in controlling COVID spread. It is even more commendable that they remain as low as they have despite bordering 9 other nations in which almost all have been seeing much higher rates of transmission.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=400..424&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU~NLD~FRA~AUT~CZE~POL~LUX~DNK~CHE~BEL

If Portugal can get to the threshold, Germany can. My suggestion for people who continue to complain is to stop obstructing, try and help this along, and slap on a "face diaper. " God forbid that I make a recommendation to get vaccinated.

HammerTime96
03-21-21, 19:34
How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.

China will not do mass vaccinations?

"Now Beijing is shifting gears, aiming to inoculate 40% of its 1. 4 billion people by the end of June. " I would argue that sounds like mass vaccination.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-china-anal/analysis-chinas-ambitious-covid-19-vaccination-plan-to-test-its-production-capability-idUSKBN2B70S8

China will no do a vaccine passport? "China unveiled a vaccine passport this month that could be accessed through WeChat".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/china-embraces-vaccine-passports-while-the-west-mulls-ethics/13252588China is a country run by the fascist CCP, and unfortunately you're correct about vaccinations and the passport.

To say that.


How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.Na, I disagree because China has had many outbreaks since that "super hard lockdown" ended last year, and Covid is not "controlled" at all. The thing is: the fascist CCP learned from it's mistakes in January 2020, so they immediately block all communications, similar to North Korea. Sometimes some truth leaks out however, like this outbreak in February 2021: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n307.

Fact is, Covid comes and goes, just like the ebb and flow of the ocean, and just like a normal flu season, regardless of lockdowns and masks. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-idUSKBN29O032.

If super hard lockdowns worked, it would not have spread beyond Wuhan in 2020, and even the WHO has recognized that lockdowns can only temporarily reduce the strain on the hospital system, but are completely useless in containing and eradicating a virus.

HammerTime96
03-21-21, 19:44
By the way, let's see if Germany's health minister 'Jasmina' Spahn will survive the scandal surrounding his 'husband' and a corrupt deal with face masks:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/id_89700698/corona-spahns-ministerium-kaufte-masken-bei-arbeitgeber-seines-mannes.html

Caption underneath the photo:


Gesundheitsminister Jens Spahn und sein Ehemann Daniel Funke: Das Unternehmen, für das Funke als Lobbyist tätig ist, hat Spahns Ministerium offenbar Masken verkauft.My translation: 'Health minister Jens Spahn and his husband Daniel Funke: evidently the company for which Funke is working as a lobbyist, sold Spahn's ministry masks.'

Let's see if Captain Merkel of the Pirate-Ship "DDR 2.0" ties all the shit that has gone wrong during the last year (hint: almost everything) to Spahn, and then throws him overboard. LOL!

Sirioja
03-21-21, 20:31
They made clusters in ski resorts because we let them enter the country, try to make a cluster in China? Each country can close the borders but business is more important than health like for many fucking prostitutes in covid times is more important than to stay safe at home.Are you sure to know what really happen in China? When so many Chinese are afraid of their government, when some disappear. Even we have too many deaths in EU and France and we have to respect EU rules, reason why UK left but gave us their mutant, not coming from continental Europe, and I feel much more free and safe in my country. This killer virus didn't start in EU, where did it start? With lies from them.

Mursenary
03-21-21, 20:42
That's because you sit in your ER in Southern US playing George Clooney, and you're clueless about how Europe 'works' and clueless about how incompetent Germany and Merkel really are.Nah, been out the ER since June 2020. Rather, been "sitting" in ICUs in NY, Georgia, Florida, and Michigan. Thanks for the Clooney comparison though, flattered. I'm guessing being in Germany for an average of 50+ days per year with the exception of this past year puts me there much more than you. I wouldn't dare say that I know more about Germany than a resident, but your assumptions are based on faulty perceptions.

But see how I admitted that I incorrectly expected the cases to follow the path of the UK? Try it sometime, admitting error rather than stubbornly holding on to disproven theories will pave the way for constructive conversation that aims to use truth as a basis for policy rather than faulty logic to feed your pride. Re: Sweden versus World.


Imagine you have a fictional city of exactly 100 k inhabitants. Also imagine that you do 100% testing of al citizens, an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but this exaggeration is just to illustrate my point. Also assume that the PC test generates 1% false positive results. You automatically get an "Inzidenzwert" of 1000 per 100000 inhabitants!We could just adjust the metric to account for false positives if testing rates got anywhere near that high. It's as simple as subtracting that 1% false positives from the total pool. Clinical correlation to actual cases of symptomatic patients would be necessary.


Translation: they are only testing healthy people without symptoms! Hahahahaha! So a fixed Incident Value of 35 + testing hundreds of thousands of healthy people without any symptoms + an x% of false positives = a Incident Value permanently 35.Knowing the positive tests in asymptomatic carriers is helpful in determining how much the virus is actually circulating. Germany has shown that it values contact tracing which is a major reason why the initial cases in Bavaria last January were isolated early, buying more time to create a national plan of action.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-germany


Contact Tracing
Bavarian health authorities and scientists closely examinedand eventually brokethe chain of transmission among the first cluster of cases, which occurred at the end of January 2020 in Bavaria. Breaking this initial chain bought Germany critical time to design its response while yielding important lessons about how the disease is transmitted.28 By using a combination of epidemiological methods such as interviews and whole genome sequencing, the team was able to reconstruct and describe transmission events precisely. This research provided details on attack rates, incubation periods, and the serial interval, which enabled public health experts to estimate the potential size of the epidemic and decide on appropriate containment measures
Sweden.


Yes, and the alternative would have been much easier: allow young and healthy people to build herd immunity (could have been achieved by summer last year, because a virus will quickly 'burn itself out' if it can not find anymore hosts), whilst temporarily isolating the elderly and obese people at risk.

This is what a lot of scientists were advocating, but those scientists have all been censored in the MSM, and on YuTube, Twatter and Shitbook and we could have been fucking hotties in Sharks today with only 50 Euros entry fee before 14:00.


Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?

Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones. So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?.Didn't you say that Sweden kept their society pretty open? Well it's March 2021 and they still never reached herd immunity. In fact, they remain amongst the top of EU nations in both total cases and current 7-day rolling average. While geographically isolated from the Eastern / Central European outbreak, they are seeing a surge independent of their geographic neighbors.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=400..424&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU~NLD~FRA~AUT~CZE~POL~DNK~SWE~ITA~ESP~HUN~BGR~SVK~ROU~GRC~EST~PRT~IRL~FIN~SVN~HRV~BEL~LVA~LTU


Meanwhile, even with restrictions, holiday surges showed that people still spread to their elderly, obese, and at risk loved ones. Re: I'll continue beating that dead horse question. What better solution do you propose?

You continue to be consistent with your objections to the covid response. What are the chances that objective facts would lead one to believe that every single mainstream policy was wrong.

1. Lockdowns, wrong.

2. Masks, wrong.

3. Vaccines, wrong.

Considering your consistent one-sided and unwavering positions in combination with the regular infusion of political commentary, it highly suggests that you construct your coronavirus beliefs through a political lens rather than a practical one.

Mursenary
03-21-21, 20:47
I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.They didn't do themselves any favors with the AZ fears. From AZ age restrictions to halting AZ rollout for a blood clot incidence that was less than the rate of naturally occurring blood clots in the general population was a baffling move. The issues in the EU cannot all be blamed solely on supply.

Sirioja
03-21-21, 22:22
Let's see, on one side, Peter Sagan, 31 years, professional cyclist for 10+ years, 3 times World Champion, 7 times winner green Jersey, 12 Tour de France stages, 1 Giro stage, 4 Vuelta stages, winner at Flanders and Roubaix, 1 time European champion, countless half classics.

On the other side, random guy on the internet, 50+, claiming he is fitter than Sagan.

You claiming that you are more fit in any possible way is as believable as all your stories about "your" WGs how you make all of them cum and how they all want you.

Quod erat demonstrandum.I never wrote I m faster than Sagan, did I? Did you read it from me? But I wrote if I give my alloy bicycle costing around 1000 € including climbing technique cassette with 32 and 36 to Davide Formolo. It if you know him and he is not even the best climber and you give your expensive light carbon bicycle to famous Peter Sagan, except on Poggio or Huy wall, Davide will always fuck Sagan on real climbing and everybody know this when knowing a bit about racers performances, when Davide is not Pantani, but nobody is afraid of Sagan on climbing for more than 10 kms or steep like Loze or Mortirolo or Zoncoan, when Davide was named Bora leader in mountain on Giro 2019, and professionnals using 32 on Zoncolan or Mortirolo, they don't climb on 24 or even 28. But my real meaning was the guy on the bicycle is much more important than 2 or 3 kilos saved on bicycle or electric gears, and Sagan is too heavy to be a real climber, when he is a powerful puncher. You want to explain me about gruppetto? When they were already far behind after col de la Madeleine, so they couldn't be so slow to finish on time, less than around 40 mn later I think, using team mates to lead to be on time, but just go with your light carbon and just try. I remember when I put down the car bicycle and prepared it putting on front wheel, topless with swim boxer short to breathe deeply, some people in Meribel asking me: you go to climb Loze? Yes. You know? No, didn't even look at profile, my mistake and climbed earlier on day Cormet Roselend, telling me: but it s terrible, answering: I m here for this, when Alpe Huez is easy for me when you climbed to la Garde if you know a bit, and I confirm some parts and steep wall on top are terrible, but I loved it and want to return on Summer, to improve to be faster than gruppetto, preparing better than for discovery and now I'm ready in mind to suffer for passion and better time. If you want we climb together on August? Great holidays for me. Other funny example could be: in Switzerland, I see many very expensive powerful cars when Swiss drive less than 120, sometimes even 80 on autobahns, my big problem there, and they find Basel or Bern far from Zurich or Geneva, I would buy a Dacia for this, also funny on Basel border, they accelerate, then you stick in their back and nobody over 200 but returning on right file, when with some cars could reach over 300 and legal in Germany on some parts, like on first 10 kilometers entering from Basel, or between north Bremen and south Hamburg, but same than for bicycle, the guy is more important than the car, to be able to push a bit, not true of course for Formula 1 where best car win. From my experience on 2020, with many visits and girls kissed, I didn't feel anything bad, even more than 50, only my bad mood from no ski, but I wish of course all those who need to get vaccine, but I won't run for, I prefer to clean my lungs on my topless climbing, even sometimes really cold on top, then breathing very deeply fresh, like I did on last Summer, but of course I m not Sagan who should better stop smoking, drinking beer and other substances of course, maybe don't help so much for strong health.

Mursenary
03-21-21, 23:16
If you compare the curbs from Israel and UK of 2020 with the one of 2021 you will see that the decrease was stronger and faster without vaccine, so we need to wait and the scientifics have to study the things. The problem is not the vaccine or the passport, if in the coming months many vaccinated people get sick it will be game over for the passport. China economy is booming, covid is under control, there is no mass vaccination and no passport, may be we should start to look about the best performers and not about US and UK which are extremely poor performers in the battle against covid.Comparing vaccination curves directly with cases would be bad statistics as it is not a direct linear relationship.

Regardless, your claim is blatantly untrue as seen by the following graphs.

UK started vaccinating first week of December and Israel December 20th. Cases peaked on January 10th and 17th respectively. UK vaccination was well underway when cases peaked and continued to decline at the same rate as vaccinations increased. The inverse is also true. As UK vaccination rates plateaued, so did their decline in cases. Now approaching 50% vaccinations and the less at-risk are being vaccinated, there are diminishing returns in case reduction. Your statement is even more untrue in Israel as every time vaccination rates dropped, there was a subsequent decline in case reduction.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=329..424&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ISR

But perhaps more importantly, the effects of vaccines on the death curve is unmistakable. Deaths peaked on January 23rd and 25th respectively. Well over a month after vaccines rolled out and well past when vaccination rates became robust.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=329..424&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ISR


For now, the effects of the vaccination campaigns in both countries support their efficacy. That may change but until then, Please stop rooting for the virus to succeed..

McAdonis
03-22-21, 00:52
An increase in the incidence rate doesn't always mean that the virus is spreading faster.Agreed with incidence rate. But if we look at positive rate, we can conclude that the virus is spreading faster than early fall. Even if policy was based on 100 K tests instead of 100 K residents, the numbers show that Germany has still not improved since lockdown light began on November 1. This was also the date that the NRW clubs closed.

Back in September 2020, the CDC estimated that 80 percent of CV19 cases were symptomatic, 20 percent were asymptomatic. Has that ratio changed for the new variants?

Most people who volunteer for a test, probably are symptomatic or have a close contact that is symptomatic. The fact that more people are voluntarily wasting 1-2 hours to take a test suggests that there are more symptomatic people now than September 2020. And if that's true, there are probably more asymptomatic people now than there were in September 2020.


If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR.

Mursenary
03-22-21, 01:56
Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis
If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/p...ountry=DEU~GBR.
No.

Imagine you have a fictional city of exactly 100 k inhabitants. Also imagine that you do 100% testing of al citizens, an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but this exaggeration is just to illustrate my point. Also assume that the PC test generates 1% false positive results. You automatically get an "Inzidenzwert" of 1000 per 100000 inhabitants!No.

You are creating a scenario based on positive per 100 K inhabitants. He is quoting the share of tests that are positive. That number is increasing when it wouldn't be if covid was going away.

Mursenary
03-22-21, 02:43
If super hard lockdowns worked, it would not have spread beyond Wuhan in 2020, and even the WHO has recognized that lockdowns can only temporarily reduce the strain on the hospital system, but are completely useless in containing and eradicating a virus.Wuhan lockdown started 23rd of January, 2020.

Prior to their lock down, here are some cases already seen outside of China:

Thailand, 12th of January, 2020.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/13/woman-with-novel-pneumonia-virus-hospitalized-in-thailand-the-first-case-outside-china/

Japan, 16th of January, 2020.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/01/japan-has-1st-novel-coronavirus-case-china-reports-another-death

USA 21st of January, 2020.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html

Of course the Wuhan lockdown on the 23rd of January didn't stop the spread of something that was already out.

Mursenary
03-22-21, 03:31
They didn't do themselves any favors with the AZ fears. From AZ age restrictions to halting AZ rollout for a blood clot incidence that was less than the rate of naturally occurring blood clots in the general population was a baffling move. The issues in the EU cannot all be blamed solely on supply.I retract this statement. Further investigations revealed to me that the nature of the blood clots were more specific and more investigation is justified.

Sirioja
03-22-21, 08:29
They didn't do themselves any favors with the AZ fears. From AZ age restrictions to halting AZ rollout for a blood clot incidence that was less than the rate of naturally occurring blood clots in the general population was a baffling move. The issues in the EU cannot all be blamed solely on supply.AZ is still restricted in EU, not for women under 40, limited for between 55 and 75 and medical don t run to be vaccined, when I think was not tested for older than 65. EU claim to have now 55 factories to produce 300 millions doses for July, no sputnik at the moment, only Hungary chose out of EU, and Germany should lengthen and stricter lockdown until April when they started after Christmas. What is the reason? UK mutant as I often wrote, which is killing Western continental Europe and even Germany when they forbid UK since a while, about 1 month ago. I think better to find other destination than Germany for 2021, when also elections to come and when beloved Angela started to fall on recent elections in Saarland and Rhein Palatine I think, when Germany suffer under second and now third wave. We may have to wait for heat return on 2022, maybe June? When 2021 is worst than 2020 because of UK mutant spreading faster and killing more. Really bad after Brexit killer gift.

What happen now in US? After usual versus black racism, after killing Indians, now Asians turn for racism? And not only in Atlanta, when Asians are not responsible for Chinese government liars, when most of Chinese are scared about their government. Of course, can also disagree about Japan cultural sexism where women have low value and can even read here, but I don t think average racist US are thinking about this. Very good point in US is vaccine for free, maybe millions of illegals and also all those so many millions without insurance can get, when a bit unfair disease, killing more poor than rich, even Africa manage quite well and I m very happy for them.

ExpatLover
03-22-21, 11:53
Comparing vaccination curves directly with cases would be bad statistics as it is not a direct linear relationship.

Regardless, your claim is blatantly untrue as seen by the following graphs.

UK started vaccinating first week of December and Israel December 20th. Cases peaked on January 10th and 17th respectively. UK vaccination was well underway when cases peaked and continued to decline at the same rate as vaccinations increased. The inverse is also true. As UK vaccination rates plateaued, so did their decline in cases. Now approaching 50% vaccinations and the less at-risk are being vaccinated, there are diminishing returns in case reduction. Your statement is even more untrue in Israel as every time vaccination rates dropped, there was a subsequent decline in case reduction.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=329..424&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ISR

But perhaps more importantly, the effects of vaccines on the death curve is unmistakable. Deaths peaked on January 23rd and 25th respectively. Well over a month after vaccines rolled out and well past when vaccination rates became robust.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=329..424&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ISR


For now, the effects of the vaccination campaigns in both countries support their efficacy. That may change but until then, Please stop rooting for the virus to succeed..Sorry I do what I want, and advise you to visit your ophthalmologist. I checked again in 2020 for Israel and UK both decrease were far faster and stronger before the vaccination campaign. Always the same story when the reality doesn't fit what you think the reality doesn't exist.

HammerTime96
03-22-21, 12:26
Agreed with incidence rate. But if we look at positive rate, we can conclude that the virus is spreading faster than early fall. Even if policy was based on 100 K tests instead of 100 K residents, the numbers show that Germany has still not improved since lockdown light began on November 1.Lockdown "light?" Dude, the November lockdowns were even more restrictive as the original lockdown in March 2020; restaurants, bars, gyms, and everything else shut. Even the Baumarkt was closed this time around, which wasn't the case during the March 2020 lockdown. Stick to the facts!

So let's assume a 1% false positive number on 100 k tests. That's 1000 'cases' right then and there. Do 1 million tests and you get 10 k 'cases' from the false positives alone. Testing and 'cases' only make sense if you look at the percentage of positive cases of the total number of tests. The percentage goes up: virus is spreading. Percentage goes down: virus is retreating.

Here's a sarcastic example for the mathematically challenged:

So let's only do 20 tests per week? Even if they are all 'positive' then we can lift the lockdown because it's under the Incident Rate of 35, right? / sarc This example illustrates how the Incident Rate is manipulated with an increase or decrease in the number of tests.


Most people who volunteer for a test, probably are symptomatic or have a close contact that is symptomatic. The fact that more people are voluntarily wasting 1-2 hours to take a test suggests that there are more symptomatic people now than September 2020.Lot's of "probably" and "suggests" from yet another American armchair expert.

First of all: people do 'not show up for a voluntary test,' but tests are now required for children and teachers to attend school already in most Federal States, and will be required for people to visit a restaurant or gym, IF they ever open up.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/coronatest/faq-schnelltests.html#c20760.


Werden Selbsttests Pflicht vor dem Schul- oder Kita-Besuch?

Es ist Aufgabe der Länder, ihre Schulen und Kitas mit Schnelltest zu versorgen. Es können auch Selbsttests als Teil der Teststrategie der Länder für Kitas und Schulen zum Einsatz kommen.My translation: 'It's the task of states to supply schools and daycare centers with fast tests. (er, that wasn't the question, who cares who supplies those tests! The question was about tests being mandatory!) Fast tests at schools or daycare centers can be part of a test strategy of federal states. ' Err, again, that wasn't the question, who cares about testing strategy, the question was about tests being mandatory!

Notice (if you speak any German at all) how deliberately vague the answer is to the question whether 'quick tests are mandatory for visiting schools or daycare.'

Fact is, as ALL of my German colleagues who have kids have confirmed: testing healthy asymptomatic kids is mandatory before attending school or dumping your kids at a daycare center.

Refusal to take the tests results in suspension of either the student or the teacher: https://www.saechsische.de/zittau/lehrer-vom-dienst-suspendiert-eltern-verweigern-corona-test-selbsttest-pflicht-5402204-plus.html.

So NO McAdonis, stop gaslighting with your "probably" and "suggest" and stick to facts! It might help if you actually learn a little bit of the language of the country where you live in, or doesn't the USAFE have any 'free' (tax slave funded) language classes? LOL!

P.S. I already posted this but look at the example of Kleinmachnow I posted below, this is a FACT and that is that only healthy and asymptomatic people are tested.

https://coronatest-tks.de

Notice how it says: "Getestet werden nur gesunde, symptomfreie Personen" on the sign? Can you read the German sentence? Do you know what "nur" means?

Translation, emphasis mine: Tested are only healthy, asymptomatic people!

PaulInZurich
03-22-21, 14:18
By the way, let's see if Germany's health minister 'Jasmina' Spahn will survive the scandal surrounding his 'husband' and a corrupt deal with face masks:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/id_89700698/corona-spahns-ministerium-kaufte-masken-bei-arbeitgeber-seines-mannes.html

Caption underneath the photo:

My translation: 'Health minister Jens Spahn and his husband Daniel Funke: evidently the company for which Funke is working as a lobbyist, sold Spahn's ministry masks.'

Let's see if Captain Merkel of the Pirate-Ship "DDR 2.0" ties all the shit that has gone wrong during the last year (hint: almost everything) to Spahn, and then throws him overboard. LOL!You can find corrupt politicians across all parties. No wonder that the lobby registration law in Germany didn't go anywhere for so long and it's pretty toothless.

Abox79
03-22-21, 17:05
I retract this statement. Further investigations revealed to me that the nature of the blood clots were more specific and more investigation is justified.There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.

Rocky V
03-22-21, 18:28
There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.The EU has never suspended any Covid vaccine. Some member states suspended AZ vaccine for further investigations, which have now been resolved.

ExpatLover
03-22-21, 18:45
There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.Why playing with people lives? Better not to overreact, nobody knows what could be the side effects in 3 or 5 years from all those vaccines, never there was so a hurry to bring a vaccine on the market. Second nobody knows today how effective they really are in 6 months, 12 months and against the new variants which will probably pop up. What is sure it that the vaccine strategies are quite different for example in China you can t get the vaccine if you are over 59, in Europe we start to vaccinate the old people, if I look how China manage the pandemy I am more willing to believe the Chinese strategy.

McAdonis
03-22-21, 20:59
Translation, emphasis mine: Tested are only healthy, asymptomatic people!I agree with your original statement that if you increase testing, you will find more total people with CV19, however if the virus is subsiding, than in addition to finding more total cases, we should also be seeing the percentage of cases that are coming back positive decreasing. They were testing many people throughout the whole of Europe the entire summer, (many of them asymptomatic coming back from holiday flights), and positive ratings were 1 percent.

McAdonis
03-22-21, 21:31
So let's assume a 1% false positive number on 100 k tests. That's 1000 'cases' right then and there. Do 1 million tests and you get 10 k 'cases' from the false positives alone. Legitimate question what is the number of false negatives? Too lazy to look that up. Would they cancel each other out?


Testing and 'cases' only make sense if you look at the percentage of positive cases of the total number of tests. The percentage goes up: virus is spreading. Percentage goes down: virus is retreating.Agree that percentage of positive cases / total number of tests makes more sense. All I am pointing out is that if we could use this metric, it has increased over the last week in Germany, where as UK has seen precipitous drop in its positive rate since first week of January: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR.


So let's only do 20 tests per week? Even if they are all 'positive' then we can lift the lockdown because it's under the Incident Rate of 35, right? / sarc This example illustrates how the Incident Rate is manipulated with an increase or decrease in the number of tests.
Sounds like a good policy to me, if you want to draft that up for me, I will sign off. Problem is I am just some random loser on the Internet. I have no power to open anything up. You act like people on ISG are social media influencers with a million followers, or that we are incognito politicians or business leaders. If we were, we probably wouldn't have that much free time to be post.

Ararat
03-22-21, 21:55
There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.You mean as in not restricting exports to the UK? I agree this should have been done in order to speed up vaccination. The Brits have their own plants to produce the vaccine from.

Mursenary
03-23-21, 00:51
There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.The difference is that some Pfizer recipients saw more benign types of venous blood clots and at a lower incidence than the background incidence observed in the general population. Perhaps more importantly, the AZ vaccine is being implicated in a much more potentially harmful type of clot: CSVT, a specific cerebral thrombus. The low incidence and small sample size is too low to make a precise comparison to the background incidence but the potential severity of this complication warrants investigation and rule out of a causative effect.

Abox79
03-23-21, 02:23
The EU has never suspended any Covid vaccine. Some member states suspended AZ vaccine for further investigations, which have now been resolved.Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.

Mursenary
03-23-21, 03:39
Sorry I do what I want, and advise you to visit your ophthalmologist. I checked again in 2020 for Israel and UK both decrease were far faster and stronger before the vaccination campaign. Always the same story when the reality doesn't fit what you think the reality doesn't exist.At no point in 2020 did incidence decrease faster than in 2021, a month after the vaccine was first administered in the UK. In Israel, you are correct.

Ararat
03-23-21, 06:47
Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.Mate, you must be English.

I don't understand why you make such a big deal out of this except if this about your national pride. Something happened and a few countries stopped vaccination a few days to investigate. Nothing to see. Move along.

Sirioja
03-23-21, 07:10
Why playing with people lives? Better not to overreact, nobody knows what could be the side effects in 3 or 5 years from all those vaccines, never there was so a hurry to bring a vaccine on the market. Second nobody knows today how effective they really are in 6 months, 12 months and against the new variants which will probably pop up. What is sure it that the vaccine strategies are quite different for example in China you can t get the vaccine if you are over 59, in Europe we start to vaccinate the old people, if I look how China manage the pandemy I am more willing to believe the Chinese strategy.So in China they don't protect weakest who are oldest? They prefer to protect those who should be strong enough to resist and make own inside soldiers.

ExpatLover
03-23-21, 07:43
Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.I am old enough to remember so many medical scandals in the last 40 years. Let us wait several years to see if really the Brits have done a great job. Nobody knows what could be the side effects of the vaccines, what is the real efficiency, only the time will be able to answer. England like France were powerful countries leading the western year but this time is gone and today they are just average countries with a lot of problems unable to protect their citizen correctly. Like for all this kind of virus we will see a strong decrease during summer, starting from October we will see how efficient the vaccines are.

Pistons
03-23-21, 08:39
The difference is that some Pfizer recipients saw more benign types of venous blood clots and at a lower incidence than the background incidence observed in the general population. Perhaps more importantly, the AZ vaccine is being implicated in a much more potentially harmful type of clot: CSVT, a specific cerebral thrombus. The low incidence and small sample size is too low to make a precise comparison to the background incidence but the potential severity of this complication warrants investigation and rule out of a causative effect.Low incidents rate? 8% of all AZ vaccines given here has reported side effects. 20% of which are severe. Meaning 2% of the total gives dangerous side effects that can lead to hospitalization. That is anything but a low number. And worse than covid itself! But we all know that in most places in this world, people hesitate to report on side effects. And sometimes it goes a long time before they do. And by then the doctor might come up with some alternate reason for it.

Pistons
03-23-21, 08:42
My bad. 1.6% dangerous side effects. Still high!

Rocky V
03-23-21, 10:33
Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.Who said they were not necessary? They observed some rare clots in some German patients and you think the German regulator should look away? Put yourself in the guy who has to give permission to use a certain vaccine, wouldn't you want to investigate? Then yes, other countries followed Germany for the same reasons, so that they can avoid protests from their own population. It has nothing to do with the Brits, not everything is about the Brits. The Brits mainly got their vaccine supplies from India, which has also reduced exports but I don't see the same animosity towards them.

BigBuddy69
03-23-21, 15:15
My bad. 1.6% dangerous side effects. Still high!For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.

Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.

PaulInZurich
03-23-21, 15:21
In Denmark they said that they will reopen pretty much everything when all risk groups and all people over 50 have been offered vaccination.

I wonder if this is what other countries will do.

Pistons
03-23-21, 16:05
For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.

Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.But then you should compare the 10% to the 8% number. And given vaccines are given to everyone, I think this is still bad math.

ExpatLover
03-23-21, 16:20
In Denmark they said that they will reopen pretty much everything when all risk groups and all people over 50 have been offered vaccination.

I wonder if this is what other countries will do.Why not but all this remains me what happened in Europe during summer 2020, everything was open, people enjoy holidays like there was no pandemy and in October lock down. Before taking any decisions the politicians have to know how efficient the vaccines are, how long they protect and against which virus. Today all those aspects are under scrutiny and nobody is able to predict the results.

Rocky V
03-23-21, 16:42
In Denmark they said that they will reopen pretty much everything when all risk groups and all people over 50 have been offered vaccination.

I wonder if this is what other countries will do.Yes, that sounds sensible. Once most people at risk have been vaccinated, governments will open everything up again. The main objective is to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed and reduce the death rate.

Pistons
03-23-21, 16:48
The 8% figure is not the easy side effect that seems to go away within days such as fever, headache and vomiting. Those numbers are at close to 100%. The 8% numbers are side effects that will most likely stay with you. While the 1.6% serious side effects may be life threatening at one point. Mainly related to blood clots.

Don't cherry pick your math comparisons please!

McAdonis
03-23-21, 18:36
This is two days old. Before announcing that current lockdown will last until April 18. Hard lockdown between April 1 and 5.


Two German local government organizations on Sunday called for a more flexible benchmark to be applied when it comes to assessing coronavirus lockdown rules.

Association of German Cities President Burkhard Jung told the Funke Mediengruppe newspaper group that there was widespread dissatisfaction with pandemic policies at a local level. "I am worried that the coronavirus policy of the federal and state governments is losing support on the ground even among the mayors," Jung said.

"We should introduce a new coronavirus indicator that also looks at the vaccination rate, the burden of the intensive care units and case mortality."

The assessment was shared by the German Association of Towns and Municipalities, whose chief executive Gerd Landsberg told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that measures should apply to clearly identifiable hotspots.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-covid-rate-exceeds-critical-100-in-100000-rate/a-56942467

Mursenary
03-23-21, 18:49
For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.

Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.Notice how they harp on long term effects of the vaccine which is basically just part of the virus but pay no attention to the long term effects of the active virus and the disease process itself? Selective memory I guess.

Anyway, none of the data shows a 1.6% occurrence of "serious" side effects or anything of the sort due to any of the vaccines. Pfizer data shows that "serious" adverse side effects (which they actually define what is meant by "serious") showed an incidence of 0. 6% with the background incidence of non-vaccinated group showing 0. 5%. Not exactly groundbreaking.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html

For AZ, the most serious possible side effect discovered thus far (CSVT) showed an incidence of 30 cases in over 20 million+ shots given. That's an incidence rate of 1. 5 per million, still lower than the 4 per million observed in background CSVT incidence.

Also, let's not ignore the most serious "side effect". Case fatality rate for SarsCov2 remains over 2% in Europe and Worldwide. Death from virus is still more likely than this random 1.6% incidence of "serious" side effects he grabbed from this air.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..426&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Case+fatality+rate&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=OWID_WRL~Europe~USA

Mursenary
03-23-21, 19:00
For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.

Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.Don't forget to add another 2% for another side effect, 2% died.

ExpatLover
03-23-21, 20:01
The 8% figure is not the easy side effect that seems to go away within days such as fever, headache and vomiting. Those numbers are at close to 100%. The 8% numbers are side effects that will most likely stay with you. While the 1.6% serious side effects may be life threatening at one point. Mainly related to blood clots.

Don't cherry pick your math comparisons please!For sure I will never take the AZ, or the Pfister and Moderna. I trust 0 in all those politicians and phamaticals why in the contracts with the EU they have ask not to be responsible for any side effects. I advice all the people to do the same it is the responsibility of the leaders to make us believe in them, today there is 0 trust. Ok many companies will bankruptcies and people get unemployed and than is that really my problem?

BigBuddy69
03-23-21, 20:17
The 8% figure is not the easy side effect that seems to go away within days such as fever, headache and vomiting. Those numbers are at close to 100%. The 8% numbers are side effects that will most likely stay with you. While the 1.6% serious side effects may be life threatening at one point. Mainly related to blood clots.

Don't cherry pick your math comparisons please!Funny I just checked the ANSM website (Agence Nationale de Securite du Medicament, french agency).

https://ansm.sante.fr/uploads/2021/03/19/20210319-covid-19-vaccins-astrazeneca-rapport-5-2.pdf

They report 1 041 526 AZ first injections, 4 184 cases of side effects since the beginning of the AZ vaccination campaign. 66% of those side effects occurred the day of the injection.

Among those cases, 2975 are mild, 1209 are severe.

Among the severe cases: 3 deaths, 7 persons in danger of dying, 31 hospitalized persons, 40 invalid or unable (can't find a good way to translate it), 1129 medically significative (actually the sum is 1210 but maybe they have some problems with maths).

So for me that makes 1 209/1 041 526 x 100=0,12 % of severe side effects among the injected persons (0,29% of mild side effects). Maybe Astra Zeneca mixes well with camembert or French baguette, but that's not exactly the same figures as yours. Probably because your figures come from your secret network of vigilantes who know better than everyone else. Or because every French agency is corrupted by the evil Big Pharma (and probably Bill Gates, the Deep State, George Soros).

Could we have the source of your accurate data please?

Sirioja
03-23-21, 20:33
Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.French government asked our medicals and other French to vaccine with cheap and easy AZ, even restrictions for AZ and I m surprised allowed until 75 , when I think it was not tested on older than 65 . But many medicals in France and Germany don't seem to trust AZ, like many Russians don't trust sputnik. Wait for Jonhson to be produced in EU.

Sirioja
03-24-21, 08:03
For sure I will never take the AZ, or the Pfister and Moderna. I trust 0 in all those politicians and phamaticals why in the contracts with the EU they have ask not to be responsible for any side effects. I advice all the people to do the same it is the responsibility of the leaders to make us believe in them, today there is 0 trust. Ok many companies will bankruptcies and people get unemployed and than is that really my problem?I thought You would run for Chinese vaccine, when we all know about Chinese reliability. When I read about more than 3000 deaths daily in Brazil under crazy Bolzonaro, when US got read of crazy Trump and new Biden is making quite good job to try to save US citizens lives. Of course after vaccine, he will have to fight versus war weapons, when no more Pawnies, all killed long ago. When EU should have soon 55 factories producing 300 millions doses, when I see German decision, Italy, France, under UK mutant, wish all those who need and want to get vaccined, for less deaths and when some are sick for long time or handicaped after covid. No Qanon thinking vaccine could be used to track, for me. EU is different than China or Russia, fortunately, even I love Russia, but not ex KGB Putin, sometimes arguing about him with my Russian girls, real ones, not those in FKK who are not able to speak Russian.

Pistons
03-24-21, 08:54
As I said already, most countries are giving out fake numbers. Side effects are not counted, and a lot is being covered up. So always take the worst numbers as facts.

Pistons
03-24-21, 09:40
Notice how they harp on long term effects of the vaccine which is basically just part of the virus but pay no attention to the long term effects of the active virus and the disease process itself? Selective memory I guess.

Anyway, none of the data shows a 1.6% occurrence of "serious" side effects or anything of the sort due to any of the vaccines. Pfizer data shows that "serious" adverse side effects (which they actually define what is meant by "serious") showed an incidence of 0. 6% with the background incidence of non-vaccinated group showing 0. 5%. Not exactly groundbreaking.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html

For AZ, the most serious possible side effect discovered thus far (CSVT) showed an incidence of 30 cases in over 20 million+ shots given. That's an incidence rate of 1. 5 per million, still lower than the 4 per million observed in background CSVT incidence.

Also, let's not ignore the most serious "side effect". Case fatality rate for SarsCov2 remains over 2% in Europe and Worldwide. Death from virus is still more likely than this random 1.6% incidence of "serious" side effects he grabbed from this air.Famous last words.

Pistons
03-24-21, 16:26
FunnyI am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.

Kuni042
03-24-21, 18:44
I agree. And the worst numbers are not even publicized.


As I said already, most countries are giving out fake numbers. Side effects are not counted, and a lot is being covered up. So always take the worst numbers as facts.

BigBuddy69
03-24-21, 19:32
So, no sources?

I have another interesting number for you:

100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:

A. are bored at work or unemployed.

B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).

See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.

D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.

In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.

Mursenary
03-24-21, 19:51
I agree. And the worst numbers are not even publicized.Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.

Sirioja
03-24-21, 20:21
I thought You would run for Chinese vaccine, when we all know about Chinese reliability. When I read about more than 3000 deaths daily in Brazil under crazy Bolzonaro, when US got read of crazy Trump and new Biden is making quite good job to try to save US citizens lives. Of course after vaccine, he will have to fight versus war weapons, when no more Pawnies, all killed long ago. When EU should have soon 55 factories producing 300 millions doses, when I see German decision, Italy, France, under UK mutant, wish all those who need and want to get vaccined, for less deaths and when some are sick for long time or handicaped after covid. No Qanon thinking vaccine could be used to track, for me. EU is different than China or Russia, fortunately, even I love Russia, but not ex KGB Putin, sometimes arguing about him with my Russian girls, real ones, not those in FKK who are not able to speak Russian.Belgium again under strict lockdown, closing schools, under UK mutant. In some parts of France, 90% of cases are UK mutant. Really killing our continent.

JohnReter335
03-24-21, 20:29
Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.They have bots to do these things.

JohnReter335
03-24-21, 20:33
I am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.Yes you're right, most people have brainwashed now a days.

Mursenary
03-24-21, 21:31
So, no sources?

I have another interesting number for you:

100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:

A. are bored at work or unemployed.

B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).

See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.

D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.

In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.I'll add 3 theories and you pick to which 3 they apply.

1. Just a dork that annoys well-adjusted people in social situations. The animosity towards the institutions that rejects him prompts him to in turn reject anything within social norms, directing him to proclaim insightful knowledge to which he is selectively privy. If contributing factors go unaddressed, will not be able to rule out progression into the next case:

2. High likelihood of a personality disorder with deep rooted defense mechanisms such as selective memory and delusions of grandeur. Viewpoints, self image, and stated behaviors show signs of long term psychosis. The repetitive declarations of amazing feats suggest weaknesses in the defense mechanisms by demonstrating a need for constant self-reassurance.

3. All views can be traced to political bias, consistently arguing positions routinely aligned with the social views of a particular political platform.

Bonus commonality: above problems stem from a lack of love and reassurance from peers.

Mursenary
03-24-21, 21:36
They have bots to do these things.Ah, bots! So the majority of the data from the majority of independent research endeavors independently conducted in the majority of nations have been compromised while going unnoticed by the majority of the independent research teams that conducted them?

Damn bots infiltrating the world's research databases!

ShooBree
03-24-21, 21:49
Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.

ShooBree
03-24-21, 21:51
So, no sources?

I have another interesting number for you:

100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:

A. are bored at work or unemployed.

B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).

See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.

D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.

In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.You're most certainly one of those weirdos. I would say that you're unemployed and suffer from psychological problems.

Kuni042
03-24-21, 22:27
I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pandemic-leads-to-baby-bust-rather-than-boom/a-56851590


Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.

Mursenary
03-24-21, 23:44
I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pandemic-leads-to-baby-bust-rather-than-boom/a-56851590I agree with you that governments don't have all relevant data and that covid restrictions likely has unintended effects on excess deaths of non-covid causes. At the very least, governments and health organizations are not making fully effective use of the data that is available.

I will however contest the validity of the excess cancer death claim. The cited paper merely suggests a model and one created for England rather than Germany. And that model estimates a 1 year excess death from 7 K up to 17 K. Furthermore they are merely making a prediction and an estimation and not quoting actual realized deaths.

While I give credence to various non-covid causes of deaths rising, I found no such data that suggests that 40 K excess cancer deaths have already occurred in Germany. In fact, the data from Germany suggests that non covid related deaths in Germany declined. From March 2020 to Feb 2021, Germany saw 65.1 K covid deaths; however, total excess deaths was only 63.7 K. Without direct covid deaths, excess deaths was -1. 4 K in Germany. With this info, it's hard to rationalize a scenario in which an extra 40 K people in Germany died due to inadequate treatment cancer.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

Germany is not alone with Covid deaths outpacing excess death. UK, Sweden, France, Luxembourg, Denmark, Belgium, Japan, South Korea, Norway, Australia, and many others show the same trend. All point to the observation that deaths from other causes in those nations have actually decreased.

Now, looking at other nations, the contrary can be deducted to be more prevalent. But one would have to entertain the fact that nations like Russia saw 425 K excess deaths but only 75 K covid deaths. Or that Mexico only saw 100 K covid deaths but 300 K excess deaths. But how much do you trust data from Russia or developing countries?

McAdonis
03-25-21, 01:34
I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).
I would be interested to see the figures for other countries, ranging from those that had fewer cases (Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Finland, Norway) to those that had their healthcare systems stretched (Italy, UK, USA). Due to global supply chains being disrupted, there is probably higher excess mortality in poorer countries.

ExpatLover
03-25-21, 04:00
Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.The things are not so easy, the things are worse than ever and in many countries the health care system is under tremendous pressure. The impact of the lock down are very different for the people, for example if you live in a nice house with a nice garden, outside a big city the impact for you will be very low. On the other side if you live in a small apartment in a city, meeting friends in bars or restaurants several times a week the lock down will impact you a lot.

Ararat
03-25-21, 06:45
Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.EU? What's their role here? Blaming EU is just another version of the Secret World Order conspiracy.

Lfvand doesn't need someone's permission to remove restrictions.

The same goes for the freedom loving independent English but they're still stuck with stricter restrictions and are prevented from leaving the country too. Johnson will find an excuse to not have to relax restrictions, don't worry.

Sirioja
03-25-21, 06:55
I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pandemic-leads-to-baby-bust-rather-than-boom/a-56851590Too many deaths from covid but will be more from consequences, and also less babies in France, more violence at home, and many people falling sick or losing job, having falling life, when a French here, with no risk job monthly paid by French government for all his fonctionnaire carreer, not knowing anything about business logic: how much You make, how much You cost, to decide if You worth, when some like me prefer to try to keep their business, taking risk for my life since 1 year, rather than staying safe at home in bed close to heater waiting to be paid by French government. Really bullshiting guy on all topics, same than for expensive carbon bike climbing with a fat on, I would like to see, or maybe electric.

ShooBree
03-25-21, 11:38
EU? What's their role here? Blaming EU is just another version of the Secret World Order conspiracy.

Lfvand doesn't need someone's permission to remove restrictions.

The same goes for the freedom loving independent English but they're still stuck with stricter restrictions and are prevented from leaving the country too. Johnson will find an excuse to not have to relax restrictions, don't worry.What I wrote was that it's time for the EU to open up and get rid of its internal restrictions. How exactly it's supposed to be done wasn't something that I mentioned.

The EU commission could make such a suggestion to get the ball rolling, just as they did with the vaccine passports.

You should make less assumptions and know more, that way you wouldn't make yourself look so stupid.

Pistons
03-25-21, 12:51
Agenda 2030: Grand scale population reduction. I have already wrote about this before. So why keep asking? Do both of you wannabe health personnel have some kind of fetish towards reading about nefarious systemic genocide agendas?

Pistons
03-25-21, 12:52
Here you can read all about Agenda 2030, although not all regarding the means we have to get through in order to achieve these goals:

https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda

Pistons
03-25-21, 12:56
I also believe we are all nuts. I have yet to meet one single person who I do not consider a lunatic. In my entire life. 100% of everyone I have met I can easily define as having a dousin plus negative psychological conditions if I want to frame them that way. Especially if I lie a bit too. Like the nurse loves so much. Lying is one psychological trait for example.

Pistons
03-25-21, 13:07
Excess deaths are one thing. I suspect deaths are the easiest to measure. Side effects not leading to deaths on the other hand which are not being counted may just be multiplied several folds. Even in modern nations. Men for example hardly ever goes to the doctor. For example, women report 20% more side effects than men. And where I live, all newspapers are strongly encouraging everyone to report side effects. So that is where the 8% life long side effects (auto-immune disease) comes from. Which is actually slightly higher due to the reporting rate by men not being as high as for women.

Pistons
03-25-21, 13:10
And that is only the auto immune diseases catalogued as of yet. Bear in mind that the number of autoimmune diseases always increases over time. 12 years into the future due to natural mutations.

So by all means this is comparable to Thanos. And the defenders of this genocidal programme are all satanistis.

Turgid
03-25-21, 15:19
I have a question for you guys. What if all the governments of the world became sane or insane, depending on which way you look at it, and opened up their countries and all their establishments to all travelers now exactly like pre-covid times, would you travel?

Rocky V
03-25-21, 16:19
I have a question for you guys. What if all the governments of the world became sane or insane, depending on which way you look at it, and opened up their countries and all their establishments to all travelers now exactly like pre-covid times, would you travel?I would travel as before only after being vaccinated.

ExpatLover
03-25-21, 17:25
I have a question for you guys. What if all the governments of the world became sane or insane, depending on which way you look at it, and opened up their countries and all their establishments to all travelers now exactly like pre-covid times, would you travel?I will not go before the situation is really under control. It is more than 6 months that I already implemented a be plan, that satisfy me a lot and my partners also. I will not wait desperately the opening of FKK, sex is not forbidden and may be better than ever. For that you need to be a bit attractive, having some cash, investing in relations. More difficult than to put 50 euro on the table in a FKK and fucking like a. I trust you that you will again overreact to my comment.

Pistons
03-25-21, 17:38
I would travel as before only after being vaccinated.Good, we need people to take a shot to the head. For the team. Because otherwise the planet will die. As is written in Agenda 2030.

PaulInZurich
03-25-21, 18:11
... when a French here, with no risk job monthly paid by French government for all his fonctionnaire carreer, not knowing anything about business logic: how much You make, how much You cost, to decide if You worth, when some like me prefer to try to keep their business, taking risk for my life since 1 year, rather than staying safe at home in bed close to heater waiting to be paid by French government. Really bullshiting guy on all topics, same than for expensive carbon bike climbing with a fat on, I would like to see, or maybe electric.So you heroically risk your life for a year when you go to work, but there is no risk when you go to a brothel?

Got it.

Did Marc Madiot call you yet?

Rocky V
03-25-21, 18:33
Good, we need people to take a shot to the head. For the team. Because otherwise the planet will die. As is written in Agenda 2030.I will ask to get the shot in my upper arm as everybody else, but if you want to get it in the head, who am I to judge? Be my guest LOL.

Mursenary
03-25-21, 18:47
I would be interested to see the figures for other countries, ranging from those that had fewer cases (Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Finland, Norway) to those that had their healthcare systems stretched (Italy, UK, USA). Due to global supply chains being disrupted, there is probably higher excess mortality in poorer countries.For totals:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

For trends:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?tab=table

Data is often not reliable for developing nations if there's even any data at all. In several Western nations and developed East nations, covid deaths exceeds excess deaths, meaning less non-covid deaths compared to previous years. In several countries such as Australia and NZ, overall deaths are lower than pre-covid.

BigBuddy69
03-25-21, 19:16
So you heroically risk your life for a year when you go to work, but there is no risk when you go to a brothel?
Got it.
Did Marc Madiot call you yet?There is a risk for the other drivers.

Why should Marc Madiot call?

Does he need a midget mascot for the team?

Sirioja
03-25-21, 19:56
So you heroically risk your life for a year when you go to work, but there is no risk when you go to a brothel?

Got it.

Did Marc Madiot call you yet?French government ask for work from home. I could manage before, but not anymore since 1 year, needing to go daily on the field to check safety, despite risks, to save my business, when one here with carbon bicycle has no risk, being paid by French government whatever he works or not. If I don't work, I don't have money to eat, of course I could also wait to be paid by French government, but I would lose too much money. Let me know if you want we try a climbing together. I should start on end of June when tops are open, until end of October, beginning of November, depending on snow falls. I loved so much my last kilometer on snow to Agnel 2744 on end of last October.

Mursenary
03-26-21, 02:03
Waiting, nobody knows today the efficiency of the vaccines and the possible side effects. You seem to believe that vaccines are the only solution may be may be not, let us be a little bit modest, we have to wait how the things will evaluate in Israel in the coming months, it is too early.Are vaccines the only solution? Not theoretically. But humans have demonstrated that we have internal factions that self-sabotage the species. We can't even be bothered to wear a thin mask to protect others from our respiratory droplets. Sabotaged by politics, misinformation, uneducated superstition, conspiracy theories, and lack of discipline, we failed to execute the less invasive route: a thin, simple little face diaper with some crowd control. So here we are, one year later and the virus still has a strong hold in Europe and Latin America. Again, are vaccines the only solution? At this point, most likely, but they didn't have to be.

As for being modest or humble, you are right; no one can "know" until it's run it's course. But we can make evidence-based decisions using the science we do know in combination with controlled observations such as clinical trials. The clinical trials were robust, involving as many participants as most other pharmaceuticals. Each participant was followed for the same amount of time as any other pharmaceutical, we were just able to enroll all participants at one time rather than the staggered enrollment that would normally take years. Most medications ever approved have been done using months of clinical trial information rather than years.

Again, we cannot "know" everything, but can make decisions based on reason and solid data. As when you are driving, you cannot "know" that another car will stop at the stop sign and not crash into to you. But you can integrate your knowledge of laws and current data such as the acceleration / deceleration of the vehicle and determine if the situation is safe. You do this knowing that there is a chance you are wrong. Perhaps the other driver is drunk, texting, or just a psychopath. But based on your human ability to reason, you make the most well-informed decision you can.

The same applies here. We know that mRNA vaccines are just strings of relatively inert (genetic) nucleotides encased in a relatively inert lipid (fat) particle. Other components include various salts and sugars to promote mRNA stability. There are no metals such as aluminum or mercury to act as preservatives. There is not even a protein component which would normally be the most immunologically active macromolecule. Instead, the lipid protects the genetic strand while also facilitating mRNA entry into the cell. MRNA never even enters the nucleus, offering no way for it to directly alter your DNA. In fact, mRNA cannot alter DNA even if it did reach the nucleus of the cell.

Instead, the short mRNA sequence encodes a very specific part of a specific protein similar to a viral protein. And it must rely on your own cells' machinery to be read and for a protein to be constructed. There's a reason why Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines saw so few stumbling blocks compared to AZ and JnJ. It's beauty is in its simplicity.

So while you are right that we cannot "know" 100% until it is done. But those who are educated on the subject and who do not serve a bias agenda feel very comfortable with the evidence. There's a reason why even in the healthcare field there are people who may be timid with the vaccines. Those people are almost always moderately educated providers such as nurses or therapists. However, I hardly ever hear physicians, pharmacists, research clinicians, or other advance practice providers express troubling concern. When you understand the evidence, you are confident in your position.

Perhaps people here can try that. Instead of taking hard positions on topics in which you may only have a basic / rudimentary understanding, try actually learning the topic thoroughly in order to construct a well educated position for yourself. If not willing to do that, perhaps defer to the people who have done the hard work instead of making assertions based on incomplete or superficial comprehension of a subject matter. Worst are the ones who make absurd statements for political reasons or to only feed their twisted ego.

BigBuddy69
03-26-21, 15:38
And nobody knows the long term consequences of the covid but from what I see, it doesn't look too good for a significant share of the infected.

Sirioja
03-26-21, 17:06
Are vaccines the only solution? Not theoretically. But humans have demonstrated that we have internal factions that self-sabotage the species. We can't even be bothered to wear a thin mask to protect others from our respiratory droplets. Sabotaged by politics, misinformation, uneducated superstition, conspiracy theories, and lack of discipline, we failed to execute the less invasive route: a thin, simple little face diaper with some crowd control. So here we are, one year later and the virus still has a strong hold in Europe and Latin America. Again, are vaccines the only solution? At this point, most likely, but they didn't have to be.

As for being modest or humble, you are right; no one can "know" until it's run it's course. But we can make evidence-based decisions using the science we do know in combination with controlled observations such as clinical trials. The clinical trials were robust, involving as many participants as most other pharmaceuticals. Each participant was followed for the same amount of time as any other pharmaceutical, we were just able to enroll all participants at one time rather than the staggered enrollment that would normally take years. Most medications ever approved have been done using months of clinical trial information rather than years.

Again, we cannot "know" everything, but can make decisions based on reason and solid data. As when you are driving, you cannot "know" that another car will stop at the stop sign and not crash into to you. But you can integrate your knowledge of laws and current data such as the acceleration / deceleration of the vehicle and determine if the situation is safe. You do this knowing that there is a chance you are wrong. Perhaps the other driver is drunk, texting, or just a psychopath. But based on your human ability to reason, you make the most well-informed decision you can.I remember a report few months ago in US, showing some crazy threatening those who asked to put on mask, crazy coughing on them. I didn't see same report about any other country, even UK kept on travelling on end of last year, beginning of this year, spreading their mutant which kill now continental Europe, when also lack of vaccine. Wish of course for enough vaccine to protect those who need or want, for a better, more free life, even vaccine won t cure falling economy. Not sure Germans are in hurry to see risky playfield brothels reopening, attracting guys from all over the world, bringing their diseases, and husbands bringing back at home to German families, when brothels are not much for money and employment for Germans and economy, but rather foreigners working with most money leaving Germany, but can be big risk for Germany safety, when in trouble now since months.

Pistons
03-26-21, 18:23
Norwegian, swizz and some German doctors disagree with the comfortable notion put forth by the Astra Zeneca and other vaccine companies. And some goes as far as to indicate that lobbying and malinformation from the vaccine companies are very harmful. Even the US center for disease control now wants to make their own studies because they do not trust fully in the vaccine companies.

In other words, don't be a sheep. Your idea that education itself makes you a free thinking human being wrong. It makes you into a little puppy, with an apple strapped into your mouth, tied up handcuffed by a gay middle aged male fat guy holding a whip.

Pistons
03-26-21, 18:38
By the way, they also have 100% free universal health care. So income has zip zero to with it. That is just one more American urban myth. Which so-called 'educated' health care wannabies still believe in.

Pistons
03-26-21, 18:44
The article I posted regarding leader-subordinate trust goes to show that sheep slave piggies will never gets to run anything. Because their sheep mindset does not impose trust from a leaders point of view.

Sirioja
03-26-21, 20:13
Norwegian, swizz and some German doctors disagree with the comfortable notion put forth by the Astra Zeneca and other vaccine companies. And some goes as far as to indicate that lobbying and malinformation from the vaccine companies are very harmful. Even the US center for disease control now wants to make their own studies because they do not trust fully in the vaccine companies.

In other words, don't be a sheep. Your idea that education itself makes you a free thinking human being wrong. It makes you into a little puppy, with an apple strapped into your mouth, tied up handcuffed by a gay middle aged male fat guy holding a whip.Yes, many French and German medicals don't trust AZ, Yes big business for pharma, but when Western EU is really bad under UK mutant with peak on March / April, really need to protect our citizens, when too many deaths, too many unemployment, with many who just would like to work but not allowed, even French government pay 84% for average salary, but less when you make more money. Spain which can't afford anymore about their economy, take risk to live with virus, let's see for result, even heat there should help them, I wish them.

Pistons
03-27-21, 03:47
Well, a virus mutates every single time it copies itself. The thing with this UK version is that there were several mutations all at once. Same thing in SA and Manaus versions. All cocked up in gain-of-function labs. As these large scale perfect placement hikes in mutations only corresponds with petri dish involvements. And that was needed since the first Wuhan version was too weak in spreading.

The thing these vaccines do are essentially the same thing the MMR vaccines have done since the 1960's when the secret world order started plotting on massive population reduction.

Just like with the MMR vaccine, this new covid vaccine creates T-cells that attaches to our white blood cells, forming blood clots. So just beyond the clots, small and large, our immune system then becomes out of function for a stretch. Making us susceptible to all sorts of diseases, and letting us suffer from all the viruses we already have in our bodies. All linked to the blood clotting.

The MMR vaccines worked fine (if you are a satanist). It messed up much of the population. But now this new covid vaccine. Especially the AZ version, (And I suspect the J&J won't be any better) will take it one step further. This is what we mean by auto-immune diseases. It is basically linked to our own immune system fucking up our white blood cells. Through vaccine programmed T-cells aimed at our own white blood cells. White blood cells are in turn key to stopping any infections we get. So like I already wrote here before, these vaccines are aimed at reducing our immune system. And our so called 'medical professionals' here are either lying sons of batches, or clueless kindergardeners.

Jolly fun in the times of 5 G radiation, large radiating tv, tablet and computer monitors, and 300+ toxins cooking up our every day lives through food, air, water and stuff we buy. In other words, days when a good immune system might just come in handy. Ever had a rash? Well, there will be lots more in the comming years after these vaccines starts rolling, due to veins in the skin being some of the thinnest we have, and our skin being a first defence especially against different radiation and air poisonings. And most effects will come some time afterwards, and perhaps not with the initial vaccine reaction. But maybe up to 10 years later since that is how long it takes for diseases to completely take over. And these vaccines are for all intents and purposes nothing but a programmed disease.

Pistons
03-27-21, 04:10
These T-cells works much like AIDS (human immunodeficiency virus): another virus cocked up in a lab back in the 1960's. So the incubation time can be as long as 15 years:

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson1/section9.html

Mursenary
03-27-21, 07:24
I remember a report few months ago in US, showing some crazy threatening those who asked to put on mask, crazy coughing on them. I didn't see same report about any other country, even UK kept on travelling on end of last year, beginning of this year, spreading their mutant which kill now continental Europe, when also lack of vaccine. Wish of course for enough vaccine to protect those who need or want, for a better, more free life, even vaccine won t cure falling economy. Not sure Germans are in hurry to see risky playfield brothels reopening, attracting guys from all over the world, bringing their diseases, and husbands bringing back at home to German families, when brothels are not much for money and employment for Germans and economy, but rather foreigners working with most money leaving Germany, but can be big risk for Germany safety, when in trouble now since months.I have no idea how this reply has anything to do with a post that expounds the confidence of evidence, evidence-based decision making, and the molecular inner-workings of *mRNA* vaccines while also heavily criticizing the influence of saboteurs who would rather see the world burn than see the better players of the game be happy.

But you probably incorrectly thought that this post had anything to do with your views. No, not when that person's science knowledge is based on findings from the 1980's, back when learning the periodic table was the ultimate crowning achievement in science education.

PaulInZurich
03-27-21, 17:12
I have no idea how this reply has anything to do with a post that expounds the confidence of evidence, evidence-based decision making, and the molecular inner-workings of *mRNA* vaccines while also heavily criticizing the influence of saboteurs who would rather see the world burn than see the better players of the game be happy.These stream of consciousness posts jumping through 6 different themes in one long winded sentence without using any punctuation whatsoever are amazing. Maybe they are subtle nods to Ulysses by James Joyce and I am not intellectually sophisticated enough to appreciate them.

Sirioja
03-27-21, 17:40
I have no idea how this reply has anything to do with a post that expounds the confidence of evidence, evidence-based decision making, and the molecular inner-workings of *mRNA* vaccines while also heavily criticizing the influence of saboteurs who would rather see the world burn than see the better players of the game be happy.

But you probably incorrectly thought that this post had anything to do with your views. No, not when that person's science knowledge is based on findings from the 1980's, back when learning the periodic table was the ultimate crowning achievement in science education.About your writing about people behavior. I hate mask, difficult to breathe with for me when I'm used to walk fast, but I put on for respect for others, even I'm so happy when I can put off. I agree with you, when already too many deaths and economic problems, I wish all those who need and want to get vaccine will be soon to be safe and when EU exported 21 millions vaccine they produced to UK, but UK sent back 0, same for US also sending 0, I wish EU will stop to be naive and keep our production to protect our citizens first, as do US, UK and India, even I won't run for vaccine, I would prefer not, but everybody know I'm not a good example to follow, same like in brothels, but I don t plan to change even no Qanon for me. When no French vaccine yet for covid, but France is starting to test for vaccine for HIV. Wish will work, for HIV women who want a baby, even sometimes baby doesn't get.

Pistons
03-27-21, 21:12
On the contrary, I try to save the world through transparent information. Most of the bad things and wrong decisions we see in this world is due to misinformation and secrecy. Basically people not understanding the values of trust. For one, I support the Open Society movements fight in order to open up all studies to the public, and remove the doors hiding important data from the public. But the wannabe medical mafia wants it otherwise, thus acting as a force in order to suppress trust. And without trust, truth has zero meaning. Underestimating other people's cognitive abilities is tightly linked to all of this. And narcissism through simple educations are nothing but a worsening sin. As illustrated in the Erasmus Montanus play.

Mursenary
03-28-21, 02:48
About your writing about people behavior. I hate mask, difficult to breathe with for me when I'm used to walk fast, but I put on for respect for others, even I'm so happy when I can put off. I agree with you, when already too many deaths and economic problems, I wish all those who need and want to get vaccine will be soon to be safe and when EU exported 21 millions vaccine they produced to UK, but UK sent back 0, same for US also sending 0, I wish EU will stop to be naive and keep our production to protect our citizens first, as do US, UK and India, even I won't run for vaccine, I would prefer not, but everybody know I'm not a good example to follow, same like in brothels, but I don t plan to change even no Qanon for me. When no French vaccine yet for covid, but France is starting to test for vaccine for HIV. Wish will work, for HIV women who want a baby, even sometimes baby doesn't get.I commend your mindset of prioritizing respect for others. Enduring a minor inconvenience due to a respect for another human should be praised. Despite various disagreements, outside of your personal stories, your writings do not have the intent of pushing false narratives or agendas. Even when I disagree with one of your positions on a subject matter, I cannot recall you ever spewing fringe, illogical pseudoscience as fact. In this current time, not being an agent of misinformation is becoming an increasingly more rare virtue. While having called you out for statements of self-grandeur, at least that narcissism does not extend as far as in the people who believe that they know more than others with a decade of formal training and nearly another decade of real world practice. I've seen others make ridiculous assertions that can be molecularly and empirically proven false even by a high school biology student.

Again, respect for not being a part of that pitiful crowd.

That being said, perhaps the next step is considering whether your words and thoughts reflect elements of xenophobia or cultural elitism. Statements such as not worrying about club bosses because they are foreigners reflect a sentiment in which a person's nationality or even ethnicity determines whether their well-being is worthy of consideration. If it was about foreigners in your own country, perhaps that may even be perceived as looking out for the good of your fellow countrymen. But your sentiments are extended beyond your own national borders and toward Germany. That suggests that your sentiments reflect a hierarchal stratification of consideration for humans that are not ethnic northern / western European.


Let's see for brothels future. I don't worry for brothels bosses, most of staff are foreigners, I don't worry much for WGs, their peste BF have to try to drive 500000 kms with Mercedes, like I do, even not Mercedes. I worry much more for normal people who can't work, when many are not allowed to work in France and I'm sad for them, much more than about brothels and prostitutes.

Rocky V
03-28-21, 11:51
On the contrary, I try to save the world through transparent information. Most of the bad things and wrong decisions we see in this world is due to misinformation and secrecy. Basically people not understanding the values of trust. For one, I support the Open Society movements fight in order to open up all studies to the public, and remove the doors hiding important data from the public. But the wannabe medical mafia wants it otherwise, thus acting as a force in order to suppress trust. And without trust, truth has zero meaning. Underestimating other people's cognitive abilities is tightly linked to all of this. And narcissism through simple educations are nothing but a worsening sin. As illustrated in the Erasmus Montanus play.Too late, ClinicalTrials. Gov is already accessible to anyone, in the same way as CMS. Gov and all the EU and Horizon funded research is accessible to anyone.

Mursenary
03-28-21, 17:35
Too late, ClinicalTrials. Gov is already accessible to anyone, in the same way as CMS. Gov and all the EU and Horizon funded research is accessible to anyone.He's made this asinine point before. He actually means to accuse the medical world of hiding medical information from the public. He does it in used the manner way he used it before, to justify his ignorance on subject matters. But let's be honest, he doesn't even understand concepts learned in basic biology textbooks. Look at all the erroneous "facts" be makes when speaking about basic physiology learned by first year medical education. He doesn't understand that T cells are white blood cells themselves and that blood clots don't arise from binding of WBCs. When someone doesn't understand basic concepts, of course what do you think happens when they "read" research primary sources? Do you think he even knows what p-values, z-scores, CI, etc means? Of course not.

When he quotes some source, he extracts the least important points and draws the wrong conclusion. And that's because these types of people are not the type to invest in the hard work that requires learning concepts that build on top of each other. It's part of his entitlement mindset and upbringing. Arrogant yet too lazy to put in the hard work to back it up. They're the same types all over the western world sharing the same characteristics: Unskilled and lazy, yet somehow arrogant in their ignorance. Too many participation trophies give them a false sense of confidence. I bet he has zero first place trophies from childhood.

Sirioja
03-28-21, 18:03
I commend your mindset of prioritizing respect for others. Enduring a minor inconvenience due to a respect for another human should be praised. Despite various disagreements, outside of your personal stories, your writings do not have the intent of pushing false narratives or agendas. Even when I disagree with one of your positions on a subject matter, I cannot recall you ever spewing fringe, illogical pseudoscience as fact. In this current time, not being an agent of misinformation is becoming an increasingly more rare virtue. While having called you out for statements of self-grandeur, at least that narcissism does not extend as far as in the people who believe that they know more than others with a decade of formal training and nearly another decade of real world practice. I've seen others make ridiculous assertions that can be molecularly and empirically proven false even by a high school biology student.

Again, respect for not being a part of that pitiful crowd..This forum is good example for other opinions, for so many bullshits from jealous guys, good exercise to be open mind, tolerant, even when you disagree. As say girls: we are all different. When you don't know who I am, even we met and chat, but only 1 knew me, I need foreigners for my job and since 17 March 2020, I protect them for work safety conditions, making my job much more complicated than before, needing now to check safety daily on field, being responsible in front of administration and could even be about justice if one gets very sick from job. I take risks to avoid for them. But I won't care for GT / LR German boss, nor Hells at World, Mainhattan, Finca and part for Sharks, nor Ingo with Ferrari at Globe, but I'm very sad for so many people who can t work since so long and I worry for them, finding really unfair when so many just ask to be allowed to work, being in such difficult situation. In Germany, most of prostitution actors: brothels boss and staff, WGs, send money out of Germany, a lot for peste pimps. Only Mercedes, BM and Audi can care about less money in this business. I'm only interested to improve my own Audi and I search and work for, same like with girls, real enjoyable pleasure is to find a beauty and to make her following and improving for you, I love this, I go for this, even I manage easy without since December, I just want to ski, maybe on Summer ski, free riding on Klein Matterhorn. Ch from Breuil Cervinia in my Italian friends country where I feel relax and safe.

BigBuddy69
03-28-21, 21:42
These T-cells works much like AIDS (human immunodeficiency virus): another virus cocked up in a lab back in the 1960's. So the incubation time can be as long as 15 years:

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson1/section9.htmlYou're totally right, here is what happens when you let greedy companies breed virus:

https://youtu.be/8cJTnz0PGyQ

Nemesis!

Gino02
03-28-21, 23:20
I come back here after months, and see all these very complicated discussions. Can someone please dumb it down for me? How is the lockdown working for Europe (or anywhere for that matter)? Is it reducing death rates and case rates months over months (or even year over year)? If yes, great. Let's keep everything including FKKs closed forever. If not, please can everything including FKKs be back open normal. Like they did in Florida and Texas in USA? I know many of you will try to respond with too much technical / clinical / biological "scientific" details, that's all good, but let's get back to basics. If something is working at the summary level, keep doing it. If something is not working at the summary level after a year of trying, scarp that strategy, right?

Mursenary
03-29-21, 02:51
I come back here after months, and see all these very complicated discussions. Can someone please dumb it down for me? How is the lockdown working for Europe (or anywhere for that matter)? Is it reducing death rates and case rates months over months (or even year over year)? If yes, great. Let's keep everything including FKKs closed forever. If not, please can everything including FKKs be back open normal. Like they did in Florida and Texas in USA? I know many of you will try to respond with too much technical / clinical / biological "scientific" details, that's all good, but let's get back to basics. If something is working at the summary level, keep doing it. If something is not working at the summary level after a year of trying, scarp that strategy, right?Summary:

Fully open doesn't work. See Brazil and Mexico.

Leaning on open with some restrictions. Doesn't work. See Sweden and large parts of the USA.

Leaning on closed but with a non-compliant population, doesn't work. See most of Europe and some parts of the USA.

Very restricted island (Figuratively and geographically). Sucks. No one wants it. Has very obvious negatives. Is the only strategy that has proven to suppress covid cases. See New Zealand, Iceland, Vietnam, Thailand, Ireland, UK after holiday lockdown.

There's your answer. But are you willing to accept it?

Sirioja
03-29-21, 08:02
When Germany should reach 80 000 deaths under UK mutant, even closing their borders inside EU and when under strict lockdown with schools being closed, since Christmas and at least until 18 April and pretty sure for longer, when elections to come after Summer and safety should be a important point, when naive EU sent 21 millions vaccine to UK so UK can vaccine with our vaccine, when we wait to receive from them, but 0 received, so we can t vaccine and many in Germany, France, Belgium die. For German brothels, say thank You to Chinese lies, and Boris Johnson who behave same like Trump. Belgium also closing inside EU borders. Brothels should wait a bit, even heat which should arrive, should help for less deaths, when peak for cases on March / April and UK mutant kill more, as told UK, but spread after brexit gift.

Canary
03-29-21, 08:10
Over 95% of people aged 60+ have had a first dose of Covid vaccine in England. That is simply stunning. Uptake way beyond expectations.

The daily totals for the whole of the UK on Sunday 28th March were: new infections 3,862 & deaths totaled 19.

Figures up to Saturday 27th March were: First dose of vaccine: 30,151,287 people. Second dose of vaccine: 3,527,481 people.

AstraZeneca recent results for its US Covid vaccine trials:

Vaccine efficacy 76% against symptomatic infection Among over 65's efficacy 85%.

Efficacy against severe disease 100%.

The statistics above clearly show that vaccination is the way to go to get out of this horrible mess the whole world is in.

The UK from today has eased lockdown restrictions and in two weeks bars, restaurants can open outside with Gyms, barbers, non essential shops all allowed to open.

I read with distress how depressingly slow and uncoordinated the vaccine roll out has been in Germany especially when it's always considered in the UK that German society is better organised than us.

Come on Germany get it sorted, I need to return to your clubs!

Pistons
03-29-21, 10:45
He doesn't understand that T cells are white blood cells themselves and that blood clots don't arise from binding of WBCs.I met they link up with the blood platelets:

https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/132/Supplement%201/738/266038/Risk-of-Vaccine-Induced-Immune-Thrombocytopenia-in

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3899154/

Are you going to argue against this also? The end result of my claim is exactly the same. Just one error in wording.

Pistons
03-29-21, 11:15
Too late, ClinicalTrials. Gov is already accessible to anyone, in the same way as CMS. Gov and all the EU and Horizon funded research is accessible to anyone.It is more so about not faking data than it is about publishing the fake data.

Pistons
03-29-21, 11:51
A healthy new beginning would at least be to unemployed all the wannabe doctors and nurses out there. And re-educate them in communication science and IT for 7 years. And then have them start learning GAN networks and IT programming skills.

BigBuddy69
03-29-21, 19:07
And then have them start learning GAN networks and IT programming skills.Given your total lack of logic, I don't think you're very good at programming.

Gino02
03-29-21, 19:25
Summary:

Fully open doesn't work. See Brazil and Mexico.

Leaning on open with some restrictions. Doesn't work. See Sweden and large parts of the USA.

Leaning on closed but with a non-compliant population, doesn't work. See most of Europe and some parts of the USA.

Very restricted island (Figuratively and geographically). Sucks. No one wants it. Has very obvious negatives. Is the only strategy that has proven to suppress covid cases. See New Zealand, Iceland, Vietnam, Thailand, Ireland, UK after holiday lockdown.

There's your answer. But are you willing to accept it?So, fully open and barely open has almost the same results of death rates from this virus?

BigBuddy69
03-29-21, 19:31
He's made this asinine point before. He actually means to accuse the medical world of hiding medical information from the public. He does it in used the manner way he used it before, to justify his ignorance on subject matters. Because it already happened!

And you know the outcome?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQGu_Bg7H9U

Raccoon city is nuked!

Clodius1
03-29-21, 19:58
When Germany should reach 80 000 deaths under UK mutant, even closing their borders inside EU and when under strict lockdown with schools being closed, since Christmas and at least until 18 April and pretty sure for longer, when elections to come after Summer and safety should be a important point, when naive EU sent 21 millions vaccine to UK so UK can vaccine with our vaccine, when we wait to receive from them, but 0 received, so we can t vaccine and many in Germany, France, Belgium die. For German brothels, say thank You to Chinese lies, and Boris Johnson who behave same like Trump. Belgium also closing inside EU borders. Brothels should wait a bit, even heat which should arrive, should help for less deaths, when peak for cases on March / April and UK mutant kill more, as told UK, but spread after brexit gift.Biden is just as bad as Trump. He gave a few million doses to Mexico and Canada, big whoopee doo. But most Americans will look the other way when it comes to Europa's problems. Difficult to feel sorry for EU when EU is willing to send their vaxx's to the 3rd world before taking care of their own peeps at home. Yeah, I understand the "stop the worldwide mutations" argument. But really folks, it's like being on an airplane. The adult puts his oxygen mask on first, then he takes care of the children, in that order. Same thing.

ExpatLover
03-29-21, 20:14
Biden is just as bad as Trump. He gave a few million doses to Mexico and Canada, big whoopee doo. But most Americans will look the other way when it comes to Europa's problems. Difficult to feel sorry for EU when EU is willing to send their vaxx's to the 3rd world before taking care of their own peeps at home. Yeah, I understand the "stop the worldwide mutations" argument. But really folks, it's like being on an airplane. The adult puts his oxygen mask on first, then he takes care of the children, in that order. Same thing.Again you are just thinking that the vaccine is the only solution, and if the vaccine will create a lot of side effects or if they are not efficient against the different variants. Try to think out of the frame, may be we are jsut at the beginning of the pandemy and the worst is coming, may be I am wrong, what is sure nobody is able to predict the future of this covid 19 pandemy.

Rocky V
03-29-21, 20:31
It is more so about not faking data than it is about publishing the fake data.For that we have peer-review journals, regulatory national / international agencies and post-approval surveillance systems. Sorry mate, not a new idea!

Pistons
03-29-21, 21:24
Maybe BigB was right after all, and that I, Pistons should be head of center for disease control. In any country for that matter.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/astrazeneca-under-55-1.5968128

Sirioja
03-29-21, 21:26
Over 95% of people aged 60+ have had a first dose of Covid vaccine in England. That is simply stunning. Uptake way beyond expectations.

The daily totals for the whole of the UK on Sunday 28th March were: new infections 3,862 & deaths totaled 19.

Figures up to Saturday 27th March were: First dose of vaccine: 30,151,287 people. Second dose of vaccine: 3,527,481 people.

AstraZeneca recent results for its US Covid vaccine trials:

Vaccine efficacy 76% against symptomatic infection Among over 65's efficacy 85%.

Efficacy against severe disease 100%.

The statistics above clearly show that vaccination is the way to go to get out of this horrible mess the whole world is in.

The UK from today has eased lockdown restrictions and in two weeks bars, restaurants can open outside with Gyms, barbers, non essential shops all allowed to open.

I read with distress how depressingly slow and uncoordinated the vaccine roll out has been in Germany especially when it's always considered in the UK that German society is better organised than us.

Come on Germany get it sorted, I need to return to your clubs!UK vaccine with vaccine received from EU who don't keep vaccine for their citizens, so, no FKK for a while longer, when Johnson will only arrive on 19 April at best. UK mutant is killing continental Europe and FKK business.

Pistons
03-29-21, 21:30
They certainly do lie about the numbers though. 8% is the figure from the local hospital here. Not 1 in 125 000. LOL.

Pistons
03-29-21, 21:30
And it can return up to 15+ years later as well.

Clodius1
03-30-21, 01:27
Again you are just thinking that the vaccine is the only solution, and if the vaccine will create a lot of side effects or if they are not efficient against the different variants. Try to think out of the frame, may be we are jsut at the beginning of the pandemy and the worst is coming, may be I am wrong, what is sure nobody is able to predict the future of this covid 19 pandemy.Agreed, the vaxx isn't a silver bullet. More like, it might help mitigate the severity of the virus every year, something akin to the -largely ineffectual- flu shot. Take your vitamins and get plenty of sleep boys and girls, this might be the new normal?

Sirioja
03-30-21, 03:34
Agreed, the vaxx isn't a silver bullet. More like, it might help mitigate the severity of the virus every year, something akin to the -largely ineffectual- flu shot. Take your vitamins and get plenty of sleep boys and girls, this might be the new normal?Wish will help for less deaths, like in UK now compare to out of control on Christmas. But bad is how they spread their mutant since Christmas and I can t understand how EU could protect more UK, sending 21 millions vaccine, than EU citizens, Boris Johnson really fucked EU which is down under UK mutant and with lack of vaccine they sent to UK. So I think FKK will have to wait, when Germans are waiting for more safety, despite strict lockdown since Christmas with schools closed.

Mursenary
03-30-21, 07:09
Biden is just as bad as Trump. He gave a few million doses to Mexico and Canada, big whoopee doo. But most Americans will look the other way when it comes to Europa's problems. So many things. Sigh.

1. Trump admin opted out of Covax, the organization of western nations pledging to donate funds for equal distribution of vaccines to developing nations. Biden admin has since pledged $4 billion, the largest donation pledge of any nation in the world.

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https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24244.jpeg.

2. Biden admin's "commitment of 2. 5 million vaccines to Mexico represents the largest single pledge of vaccine doses from one country to another so far in this crisis. Those doses are going to a neighbor in great need".

The 1.5 million to Canada ranks not far behind. Aiding our two only land border nations will be of obvious benefit.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/rich-countries-give-money-keep-vaccines-themselves/618437/.


Difficult to feel sorry for EU when EU is willing to send their vaxx's to the 3rd world before taking care of their own peeps at home. Yeah, I understand the "stop the worldwide mutations" argument. But really folks, it's like being on an airplane. The adult puts his oxygen mask on first, then he takes care of the children, in that order. Same thing.3. The EU has secured 1. 8 billion doses compared to the US's 1.2 billion and UK's 400 m. Europe has secured plenty as the block has reserved enough to vaccinate everyone twice over.

Vaccines doses secured by population (doses per person):

UK (6).

EU (4).

USA: (3.6).

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/contracts-purchasing-agreements.html.

4. Due to the recent surge, the EU is keeping most of the doses for now.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-eu-not-ready-to-share-covid-vaccines-with-poorer-countries/a-56944274.

EU nations cannot blame poor vaccination rates on lack of supply or giving it away. Most doses given away are by France and Portugal are only 5% of doses each.

*Side note: Beloved Romania pledged 200 K doses to Moldova.

EU's problems with vaccination rollouts is obviously not giving away vaccines. Perhaps them taking an extra month to approve the vaccinations was the problem.

Chongmal
03-30-21, 07:38
Maybe BigB was right after all, and that I, Pistons should be head of center for disease control. In any country for that matter.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/astrazeneca-under-55-1.5968128I never imagined so many epidemiologist and virology experts were frequent flyers with prostitutes, I mean really women who please us because we are expert lovers.

Mursenary
03-30-21, 09:29
So, fully open and barely open has almost the same results of death rates from this virus?I dunno man. None of it's all that good. What fully open nations are there? Brazil and Mexico? They're both doing significantly worse than most locked down nations, even their continental neighbors. None of South America is fully locked down yet Brazil is 15-20% worse. Same with MEX to North America. If comparing them to mostly closed European nations, even worse. To barely open East Asia and Australia, forget about it.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..433&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=BRA~MEX~Europe~AUS~Asia~Africa~North+America~South+America

HammerTime96
03-30-21, 17:19
The cities of Berlin and Munich, as well as the federal state of Brandenburg have halted the AstraZeneca 'vaccine' to people under 60:

https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-halts-astrazeneca-vaccines-for-under-60s/a-57049301

In the meantime, South Africa has already thrown in the towel more than one month ago because AZ is pretty much useless against the local mutation:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/south-africa-suspends-use-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop

Lockdowns = 'vaccinations' = = Covid Passports = mutations = more lockdowns = new updated vaccinations = = Covid Passports = stronger more dangerous mutations = more lockdowns.

We're on a road to nowhere folks! Anyone taking any experimental vaccine and hoping for a Covid Passport + a reopening of FKK clubs in 2021 is a fool!

It's lockdowns and face diapers forever, until people realise the inevitable; herd immunity and our natural immune system are the only way forward. Lock up the old and the vulnerable, and let the healthy people live in order to get herd immunity!

It will be a bitter pill to swallow, but it's better than endless lockdowns and an endless stream of barely tested vaccines in your body leading to millions of more deaths due to stronger mutations and vaccine side-effects into the future.

Mursenary
03-30-21, 17:19
So many things. Sigh.

1. Trump admin opted out of Covax, the organization of western nations pledging to donate funds for equal distribution of vaccines to developing nations. Biden admin has since pledged $4 billion, the largest donation pledge of any nation in the world.

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https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24244.jpeg

2. Biden admin's "commitment of 2. 5 million vaccines to Mexico represents the largest single pledge of vaccine doses from one country to another so far in this crisis. Those doses are going to a neighbor in great need".

The 1.5 million to Canada ranks not far behind. Aiding our two only land border nations will be of obvious benefit..Fixed the links.

Mursenary
03-30-21, 18:14
I never imagined so many epidemiologist and virology experts were frequent flyers with prostitutes, I mean really women who please us because we are expert lovers.Don't you know, reading basement dweller sub-forums while working a meaningless desk job rendering any graduate education useless makes one an expert in all subject matters. Learning from those who came before you and honing skills through real world experience has no place here. Some people believe themselves to be exceptional but in reality just exist as unskilled slaves who make other men richer.

Pistons
03-30-21, 18:49
To all the brainwashed pro-vaxxers in here:

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/VqvoVd/reagerte-paa-vaksineuttalelser-jeg-skjoenner-ikke-at-de-toer

This article shows quite clearly how you can never trust a vaccine company. Ever.

Pistons
03-30-21, 18:56
I personally met one of the bosses from J&J a few years ago and he told me straight up that there were tens of thousands of dangerous side effects from their vaccines every single year. They knew about it, but didn't act on nor mentioned it publically. And if they had been held responsible for it, according to him they would have shut down every single one of their vaccine programs.

Sirioja
03-30-21, 21:53
So many things. Sigh.

1. Trump admin opted out of Covax, the organization of western nations pledging to donate funds for equal distribution of vaccines to developing nations. Biden admin has since pledged $4 billion, the largest donation pledge of any nation in the world.

Attached image.

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24244.jpeg.

2. Biden admin's "commitment of 2. 5 million vaccines to Mexico represents the largest single pledge of vaccine doses from one country to another so far in this crisis. Those doses are going to a neighbor in great need".

The 1.5 million to Canada ranks not far behind. Aiding our two only land border nations will be of obvious benefit.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/rich-countries-give-money-keep-vaccines-themselves/618437/..EU preferred to send 21 millions vaccine to UK rather than keeping for our citizens, should have been 3 millions for France, when UK just sent us their more killer mutant, not helping for FKK to reopen soon.

ShooBree
03-30-21, 23:19
I never imagined so many epidemiologist and virology experts were frequent flyers with prostitutes, I mean really women who please us because we are expert lovers.Another worthless and argumentative post from you. You should try to stop acting as a troll.

ShooBree
03-30-21, 23:22
So many things. Sigh.

1. Trump admin opted out of Covax, the organization of western nations pledging to donate funds for equal distribution of vaccines to developing nations. Biden admin has since pledged $4 billion, the largest donation pledge of any nation in the world.

Attached image.

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24244.jpeg.

2. Biden admin's "commitment of 2. 5 million vaccines to Mexico represents the largest single pledge of vaccine doses from one country to another so far in this crisis. Those doses are going to a neighbor in great need".

The 1.5 million to Canada ranks not far behind. Aiding our two only land border nations will be of obvious benefit..Lmfao, stop with the disinformation propaganda.

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-astrazeneca-united-states.amp.html

Mursenary
03-30-21, 23:35
It's lockdowns and face diapers forever, until people realise the inevitable; herd immunity and our natural immune system are the only way forward. Lock up the old and the vulnerable, and let the healthy people live in order to get herd immunity!

It will be a bitter pill to swallow, but it's better than endless lockdowns and an endless stream of barely tested vaccines in your body leading to millions of more deaths due to stronger mutations and vaccine side-effects into the future.Brazil and Mexico have basically been completely open for a year. Still no herd immunity. Meanwhile more variants. Now we keep grandma locked away even longer. Rinse, repeat.

We'll just eventually become a society that ship people to an outcast island on their 65th birthdays.

Just wait until covid gains a penile-rectal route of transmission. We would have to put you in the vulnerable group and send you off to the island too. Anal COVID island!

That was your plan all along wasn't it? Trick the world into creating your all dude, all nude, butt-fuck island! Conspiracy!

Mursenary
03-30-21, 23:40
I personally met one of the bosses at Pfizer and he openly told me all of his company's deepest, darkest secrets. Donald Trump let me into Area 51 and the Queen of England slurped down on my Crown Jewels. It was a hell of a night.

PaulInZurich
03-31-21, 00:56
Lockdowns = 'vaccinations' = = Covid Passports = mutations = more lockdowns = new updated vaccinations = = Covid Passports = stronger more dangerous mutations = more lockdowns.If there were logic classes where you studied, you were definitely not paying attention.

PaulInZurich
03-31-21, 01:00
I personally met one of the bosses from J&J a few years ago and he told me straight up that there were tens of thousands of dangerous side effects from their vaccines every single year. They knew about it, but didn't act on nor mentioned it publically. And if they had been held responsible for it, according to him they would have shut down every single one of their vaccine programs.Sure, very believable what you post here.

Sirioja
03-31-21, 05:55
I personally met one of the bosses from J&J a few years ago and he told me straight up that there were tens of thousands of dangerous side effects from their vaccines every single year. They knew about it, but didn't act on nor mentioned it publically. And if they had been held responsible for it, according to him they would have shut down every single one of their vaccine programs.Moderna boss is French, AZ boss has very French name. Never met them when I always tried to run away from medicines, same for Viagra. AZ is limited to between 55 and 75 in France, when I thought it was not even tested for older than 65.21 millions EU vaccine seem to work quite well in UK returning from out of control 3 months ago, and now 40 times less deaths. Bad EU didn't keep vaccine they produced, like UK or US do, and would have also been much better UK keep their mutant for them rather than travelling spreading. Would have been much better for FKK reopening, even I think not best point to be elected for after beloved for 16 years Angela who fell in 2 landers on last months.

BigBuddy69
03-31-21, 06:02
To all the brainwashed pro-vaxxers in here:

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/VqvoVd/reagerte-paa-vaksineuttalelser-jeg-skjoenner-ikke-at-de-toer

This article shows quite clearly how you can never trust a vaccine company. Ever.This video proves it even more.

https://youtu.be/sWEvLBzMpYE

Blood thirsty monsters!

BigBuddy69
03-31-21, 06:07
Donald Trump let me into Area 51 and the Queen of England slurped down on my Crown Jewels. It was a hell of a night.Gross! Are you sure it was not the other way, Don going down on you?

BigBuddy69
03-31-21, 06:16
To all the brainwashed pro-vaxxers in here:

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/VqvoVd/reagerte-paa-vaksineuttalelser-jeg-skjoenner-ikke-at-de-toer

This article shows quite clearly how you can never trust a vaccine company. Ever.Let's be a little more serious.

Actually this article shows how you cannot trust a so called 'communication expert' because most of the time he doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about.

A little bit like you! Maybe you were in the same school?

Chongmal
03-31-21, 06:33
Another worthless and argumentative post from you. You should try to stop acting as a troll.Show me one post where you have posted something relevant to finding women in German Sauna Clubs for sex and I will show you a hundred where I posted at least 25 relevant facts in each post. Your continuous irrelevant posts along with others here, devalue the entire forum. If this is what the forum has digress to then keep it for yourself. You try to shout out everyone else with insults and aggression. We get it. You're superior, your smarter, your more successful, etc. You are the only one able to communicate on the same level with yourself so why don't you go and mentally master ate and save the 1's and 0's the pain of recording your dribbling conversation.

Gino02
03-31-21, 06:55
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/30/tilman-fertitta-surprised-by-strength-of-restaurants-casinos-in-march.html

Pistons
03-31-21, 15:16
The J&J guy I met was regional head of sales. True story.

ShooBree
03-31-21, 16:27
Show me one post where you have posted something relevant to finding women in German Sauna Clubs for sex and I will show you a hundred where I posted at least 25 relevant facts in each post. Your continuous irrelevant posts along with others here, devalue the entire forum. If this is what the forum has digress to then keep it for yourself. You try to shout out everyone else with insults and aggression. We get it. You're superior, your smarter, your more successful, etc. You are the only one able to communicate on the same level with yourself so why don't you go and mentally master ate and save the 1's and 0's the pain of recording your dribbling conversation.LMFAO! Here you go at it again, way to prove me right about you being a worthless, antagonistic troll.

You post nothing but pure garbage and when I confront you with it you only get more aggressive and childish. You're an embarrassment to this forum.

Sirioja
03-31-21, 22:21
When Chinese original mostly killed older than 75, UK mutant now kill some younger, in 40's or 50's.

Mursenary
03-31-21, 23:10
Show me one post where you have posted something relevant to finding women in German Sauna Clubs for sex and I will show you a hundred where I posted at least 25 relevant facts in each post. Your continuous irrelevant posts along with others here, devalue the entire forum. If this is what the forum has digress to then keep it for yourself. You try to shout out everyone else with insults and aggression. We get it. You're superior, your smarter, your more successful, etc. You are the only one able to communicate on the same level with yourself so why don't you go and mentally master ate and save the 1's and 0's the pain of recording your dribbling conversation.A couple of us have looked. Not one post that suggests that he has much experience in the hobby. Lots of posts suggesting that he shares similar traits to guys like the Atlanta Spa shooter though.

Pistons
04-01-21, 00:50
Let's be a little more serious.

Actually this article shows how you cannot trust a so called 'communication expert' because most of the time he doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about.

A little bit like you! Maybe you were in the same school?So saying in public that there is nothing to worry about is fine while at the same time saying behind closed doors that they are seriously worried is just ok with you?

I tell you one thing, and that is the world is in desperate need of honest communication experts. Because if one is an expert at communication, only one thing matters: truth.

PaulInZurich
04-01-21, 01:49
I never wrote I m faster than Sagan, did I? Did you read it from me? Yes you did write that and here we go again just today.


Why I'm stronger than professional racers, they need doping, I only need my passion, they are paid, I do just for my pleasure, really moving my flesh inside me. Many not professional racers use doping, when I love mountains fresh water, I feel it cleans inside me, like Trump about covid. Froome was funny when climbing like a motorbike, turning so fast legs. When Toledo eagle, Federico Bahamontes, legendary climber who has his picture on km 4 in Zoncolan 1 hour driving from Wellcum, started, he stopped on top and waited for others, drinking wine which was doping in the past. Doping even came to change part of blood or with horse female plasma. Doping is quite cultural in Italy, Spain, Russia. Look forward starting my Summer, climbing col Iseran 2765 high to warm up, I like funny donkeys under the tunnel before Tignes waterfront.Well now you claim that you are stronger than professional racers in general, not Sagan specifically.

Oh yes, and "doping is quite cultural in Italy, Spain Russia" but obviously not in France. Virenque, Jalabert, Moreau, Jeannie Longo, Remy Di Gregorio, Lloyd Mondori. The list can go on.

They dope in all countries in most sports. In some countries it's organized at federation level, in some countries it's done individually. Some are better at it than others, they know the glow times and if they are to be tested then they take a whereabouts violation. No country is morally superior to others. Doping is done in professional and amateur sports alike, even just for bragging rights.

There is no real interest to catch major doping cases, because they then impact public interest, which then impacts the sport.

Pistons
04-01-21, 03:23
A couple of us have looked. Not one post that suggests that he has much experience in the hobby. Lots of posts suggesting that he shares similar traits to guys like the Atlanta Spa shooter though.At least it is better than reading about Chongmal's extreme anti-westerner attitudes.

ShooBree
04-01-21, 05:39
A couple of us have looked. Not one post that suggests that he has much experience in the hobby. Lots of posts suggesting that he shares similar traits to guys like the Atlanta Spa shooter though.LOL, my own little personal stalker is at it again. It's because of guys like you that women needs to file for a restraining order. You are in serious need of some strong medication, you are a pathetic weirdo.

You must have made the mistake of looking at your own posting history, not a relevant post in sight.

PaulInZurich
04-01-21, 06:02
Oh yes, and "doping is quite cultural in Italy, Spain Russia" but obviously not in France. Virenque, Jalabert, Moreau, Jeannie Longo, Remy Di Gregorio, Lloyd Mondori. The list can go on.
I will give you one thing though. After the Festina scandal, cycling in France got cleaner. Might have to do with the fact that people got suspended jail sentences, not just a temporary ban, but the real possibility to spend time in jail. With the current French law dopers can get one year in jail just for personal use, people who traffic doping products can get 5 years. That changes the risk reward balance a bit.

Chongmal
04-01-21, 06:08
At least it is better than reading about Chongmal's extreme anti-westerner attitudes.Thank you! I take your comment as a great complement. I suppose it is far better than being called a White Supremacist.

Mursenary
04-01-21, 07:03
LOL, my own little personal stalker is at it again. It's because of guys like you that women needs to file for a restraining order. You are in serious need of some strong medication, you are a pathetic weirdo.

You must have made the mistake of looking at your own posting history, not a relevant post in sight.I missed you too baby. Don't leave me again you naughty boy. Kisses.

BigBuddy69
04-01-21, 07:49
So saying in public that there is nothing to worry about is fine while at the same time saying behind closed doors that they are seriously worried is just ok with you?

I tell you one thing, and that is the world is in desperate need of honest communication experts. Because if one is an expert at communication, only one thing matters: truth.What worries me is that the comm expert is saying things that are totally opposite to logic because:

1 - he's paid for that.

2 - he doesn't understand what he's talking about but that doesn't seem to bother him.

Sirioja
04-01-21, 10:00
At least it is better than reading about Chongmal's extreme anti-westerner attitudes.When a guy can advice You for a new girl according to him, to a so bad guy like me, in his home club, and we repeated many times for 2 months even she was not new at all but woman type, when I m pretty sure he never tried and I would never advice any girl to many here who would not deserve for me.

Sirioja
04-01-21, 10:05
Yes you did write that and here we go again just today.

Well now you claim that you are stronger than professional racers in general, not Sagan specifically.

Oh yes, and "doping is quite cultural in Italy, Spain Russia" but obviously not in France. Virenque, Jalabert, Moreau, Jeannie Longo, Remy Di Gregorio, Lloyd Mondori. The list can go on.

They dope in all countries in most sports. In some countries it's organized at federation level, in some countries it's done individually. Some are better at it than others, they know the glow times and if they are to be tested then they take a whereabouts violation. No country is morally superior to others. Doping is done in professional and amateur sports alike, even just for bragging rights.

There is no real interest to catch major doping cases, because they then impact public interest, which then impacts the sport.Mostly agree about doping, but not cultural but hidden in France or US, when was not even in Spain or Italy and what about Russia or China. But You don t seem to understand the real meaning of words, read again: passion versus a job.

ExpatLover
04-01-21, 11:17
When Chinese original mostly killed older than 75, UK mutant now kill some younger, in 40's or 50's.I think we need to be careful about saying from China, from UK. Maybe or may be not, during the last pandemy named Spain flue 100 hundred years ago some Spanish were killed because they were made responsible. Probably the mink are playing a strong rule, I think we have to let the scientists make their job and try to protect our self as much as possible.

Chongmal
04-01-21, 13:49
LOL, my own little personal stalker is at it again. It's because of guys like you that women needs to file for a restraining order. You are in serious need of some strong medication, you are a pathetic weirdo.

You must have made the mistake of looking at your own posting history, not a relevant post in sight.Come on Shoo, one post where you talk about your experience in the club. Tell us a club you have been to. What did you like about it? What didn't you like about it? Was the lady working the door or the bar tender the hot one? It happens, the unobtainable is often times the most desirable. It's hard to imagine being in a club with over 30 women that you can have make your fantasies come true and you really want the one you can't have. What woman from any club would you recommend? Do you have contact information with any? How did you get to the clubs? How did you find ISG anyway and why are all your posts, from Columbia, General Forum, Germany. All seem to be on a rants or political views and are always insulting someone. Did you get kicked off Facebook and Twitter Shoo?

PaulInZurich
04-01-21, 17:21
But You don t seem to understand the real meaning of words, read again: passion versus a job.Nice try but I am not buying it. You said once that you are more fit and the second time that you are stronger than professional cyclists. So maybe it's you who don't understand the meaning of what you write.

I'll keep calling BS when I see it.

Pistons
04-01-21, 17:22
Thank you! I take your comment as a great complement. I suppose it is far better than being called a White Supremacist.Lesser penis people will always hate.

Pistons
04-01-21, 17:25
And not all big disks are western. So no, I'm not a white supremacist. I also fuck Asian women. And probably I am dad to a few mixes around the world.

Mursenary
04-01-21, 17:28
What worries me is that the comm expert is saying things that are totally opposite to logic because:

1 - he's paid for that.

2 - he doesn't understand what he's talking about but that doesn't seem to bother him.The communications expert claim is even more laughable if you have met him. It's reasonable to expect someone with an understanding of human communication to also have an understanding of the human condition. That person should probably have better than average insight into the way he is perceived. Or perhaps be able to succinctly and accurately convey his thoughts and opinions in order to convince a crowd. Perhaps this expert would be able to navigate the social dynamics of a conversation with multiple people. Instead, what I have seen in person was just another high school dork who lacks the ability to read a crowd. Like when, a few people are having a conversation about a topic and he just swoops in with some irrelevant topic that no one was talking about or was remotely interested. It's a demonstration of how a theoretical education can be wasted in a person who has no real world expertise due to lack of practical application. The sad part is that rather than addressing the social deficits, he doubles down with arrogance, adding to his personal set of off-putting character flaws.

Mursenary
04-01-21, 18:00
Thank you! I take your comment as a great complement. I suppose it is far better than being called a White Supremacist.I've noticed that the white supremacist types don't show much racism toward Asian types until the Asian type becomes a threat, unlike the overt racism more often displayed towards black and brown people. They love the quiet, polite, industrious image of Asians but get all uncomfortable when the Asian becomes a competitive threat. Been fighting it my whole life.

ShooBree
04-01-21, 18:01
Come on Shoo, one post where you talk about your experience in the club. Tell us a club you have been to. What did you like about it? What didn't you like about it? Was the lady working the door or the bar tender the hot one? It happens, the unobtainable is often times the most desirable. It's hard to imagine being in a club with over 30 women that you can have make your fantasies come true and you really want the one you can't have. What woman from any club would you recommend? Do you have contact information with any? How did you get to the clubs? How did you find ISG anyway and why are all your posts, from Columbia, General Forum, Germany. All seem to be on a rants or political views and are always insulting someone. Did you get kicked off Facebook and Twitter Shoo?Naaawww, you want me to spoon feed you information. I don't think so, it's not exactly hard to find what you're asking for. Consider it a test of your intelligence, so far you and Mursenary have failed the test miserably.

I've probably been mongering in more countries than you've even visited and all of my posts are clearly not "from Columbia, General Forum, Germany". You should try to get your facts straight, the simple fact that you wrote "Columbia" instead of Colombia didn't exactly strengthen your credibility.

It's truly fascinating that you keep picking on me while you've no problem when you and Mursenary are posting a ton of irrelevant and insulting posts. Some people would call you a hypocrite, and most people do not like hypocrites.

I didn't come here to discuss politics but I will continue until people like you learn to behave.

Anyways, you should apologize for your shameful behavior.

ShooBree
04-01-21, 18:04
Thank you! I take your comment as a great complement. I suppose it is far better than being called a White Supremacist.Who's a "White Supremacist"?

Mursenary
04-01-21, 19:23
For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me and not same dietetics also, he should stop to smoke or drink, and I'm sure he doesn't like climbing like me.

I never saw any carbon climbing without a guy sweating on and Sagan doesn't like this, he does only for green suit and money, when I enjoy my passion. He is a puncher, not a climber, too heavy, not fit enough.

Let's see, on one side, Peter Sagan, 31 years, professional cyclist for 10+ years, 3 times World Champion, 7 times winner green Jersey, 12 Tour de France stages, 1 Giro stage, 4 Vuelta stages, winner at Flanders and Roubaix, 1 time European champion, countless half classics.

On the other side, random guy on the internet, 50+, claiming he is fitter than Sagan.

Why I'm stronger than professional racers, they need doping, I only need my passion, they are paid, I do just for my pleasure, really moving my flesh inside me.

Yes you did write that and here we go again just today.

Well now you claim that you are stronger than professional racers in general, not Sagan specifically.

But You don t seem to understand the real meaning of words, read again: passion versus a job.
Nice try but I am not buying it. You said once that you are more fit and the second time that you are stronger than professional cyclists. So maybe it's you who don't understand the meaning of what you write.


I'll keep calling BS when I see it.Let the paper trail reveal the truth.

Regarding your last line, you have your work cut out for you on this forum. Many opportunities from multiple bullshit artists. At least he keeps his exaggerations mostly only about himself. Some unfound claims about mutations and tracking covid spread, but overall the bullshit is relatively contained to topics of self-grandeur.

Mursenary
04-01-21, 19:28
Naaawww, you want me to spoon feed you information. I don't think so, it's not exactly hard to find what you're asking for. Consider it a test of your intelligence, so far you and Mursenary have failed the test miserably.

I've probably been mongering in more countries than you've even visited and all of my posts are clearly not "from Columbia, General Forum, Germany". You should try to get your facts straight, the simple fact that you wrote "Columbia" instead of Colombia didn't exactly strengthen your credibility.

It's truly fascinating that you keep picking on me while you've no problem when you and Mursenary are posting a ton of irrelevant and insulting posts. Some people would call you a hypocrite, and most people do not like hypocrites.

I didn't come here to discuss politics but I will continue until people like you learn to behave.

Anyways, you should apologize for your shameful behavior."No I have never posted a review on this forum" would have been shorter, saving your time and ours. Kisses.

Pistons
04-01-21, 19:29
The communications expert claim is even more laughable if you have met him. It's reasonable to expect someone with an understanding of human communication to also have an understanding of the human condition. That person should probably have better than average insight into the way he is perceived. Or perhaps be able to succinctly and accurately convey his thoughts and opinions in order to convince a crowd. Perhaps this expert would be able to navigate the social dynamics of a conversation with multiple people. Instead, what I have seen in person was just another high school dork who lacks the ability to read a crowd. Like when, a few people are having a conversation about a topic and he just swoops in with some irrelevant topic that no one was talking about or was remotely interested. It's a demonstration of how a theoretical education can be wasted in a person who has no real world expertise due to lack of practical application. The sad part is that rather than addressing the social deficits, he doubles down with arrogance, adding to his personal set of off-putting character flaws.I just get annoyed by cringy obnoxious unintelligent conversations at kindergarten level.

Pistons
04-01-21, 19:29
Especially by pot smokers who look 20 years older than the claim to be.

Pistons
04-01-21, 19:42
I will take youthful looks any day instead being a 57 year old looking 37 year old wannabe doctor. A great was to show knowledge by action.

Pistons
04-01-21, 19:51
I suppose the idea is that the psychosis given from smoking pot should make one less cringy. Well, it fails hard! The other urban myth is that smoking pot increases the sexual pleasure. Well, hats of to experimenting, but one first needs to grow one.

McGrath
04-01-21, 19:52
I think we need to be careful about saying from China, from UK. Maybe or may be not, during the last pandemy named Spain flue 100 hundred years ago some Spanish were killed because they were made responsible. Probably the mink are playing a strong rule, I think we have to let the scientists make their job and try to protect our self as much as possible.Just stop embarrassing yourself.

Pistons
04-01-21, 20:06
This is how vaccine companies work:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18806-revealed-pfizers-payments-to-censured-doctors/

Call it communication tactics and strategies. It makes them a lot of money. But it is unfortunately extremely immoral.

BigBuddy69
04-01-21, 21:09
Lesser penis people will always hate.You really have a kink for men's dicks don't you?

Pistons
04-01-21, 22:29
. They love the quiet, polite, industrious image of Asians Weired then how I've just been advocating for Asians to be less polite and industrious here on the forum for the past week or two.

Unless all I am doing is help.

Sirioja
04-01-21, 22:44
Nice try but I am not buying it. You said once that you are more fit and the second time that you are stronger than professional cyclists. So maybe it's you who don't understand the meaning of what you write.

I'll keep calling BS when I see it.90% professional bicycle racers and Sagan need doping and find Zoncolan is very difficult and didn't want Giro of Italia had Zoncolan, but needed to compete with tour de France, when this is just a pleasure for me. I would drive whole night, 1300 kms from Paris to Ovaro, as I always told to one here, I would not go to Wellcum if I didn't go for Zoncolan, just to climb 10,5 kms with 2 kms steeper than 19% for average, for a beautiful day with stars in mind. When I go from Stelvio, driving 5 hours through Dolomiti, just for 10,5 kms of pleasure, feeling body and head burning inside, Italians tell me I m just crazy, Davide Formolo leader for Bora Hansgrohe for mountains, never climbed before Giro 2019, when he finished 5th on Giro, when I climb every Summer since 2015 . But, with alloy beloved technique bicycle, I m so less heavy than Sagan on a 20 000 € carbon light bicycle which will never climb without somebody turning legs, and need fast enough to put heart working fast enough, to prevent lactic acid. Only for pleasure for me, rather than sleeping on the beach, when I don't think many professionals have pleasure in Zoncolan, or Mortirolo, or Loze now. Don't you want we try Gran San Bernardino on August? Maybe your carbon light will follow me on its own. More beautiful from Aosta, but more difficult on Swiss side after tunnel to go through.

Sirioja
04-01-21, 22:59
I think we need to be careful about saying from China, from UK. Maybe or may be not, during the last pandemy named Spain flue 100 hundred years ago some Spanish were killed because they were made responsible. Probably the mink are playing a strong rule, I think we have to let the scientists make their job and try to protect our self as much as possible.Didn't it start and hidden for months under lies in China? When now everybody in Western EU and even Poland know about damages and deaths from UK variant, when I think Western EU will be quite locked and even inside until at least mid May.

Chongmal
04-01-21, 23:22
Who's a "White Supremacist"?I didn't say that anyone is a White Supremacist. I said that being classified as a person with an "Extreme anti-Western attitude" is better than being classified as a White Supremacist. If you feel defensive about that then it's possibly related to some subconscious guilt. Of course, your assumptions about race and occasionally using racial stereotypes may show your true feelings.

ShooBree
04-01-21, 23:40
"No I have never posted a review on this forum" would have been shorter, saving your time and ours. Kisses.Lmfao, dude you at this moment got 809 out of 809 posts of irrelevant BS. You're a troll. As I wrote earlier I've mongered in more countries than you trolls have even visited.

Mursenary
04-01-21, 23:45
You really have a kink for men's dicks don't you?Can you guess the reason he posted that? Hilarious because we both actually know Chongmai. But are you surprised after observing the OP's thought process? I used to pity him for being so ugly. That pity has turned into disgust as I've seen how ugly he is on the inside too.

Chongmal
04-01-21, 23:49
Weired then how I've just been advocating for Asians to be less polite and industrious here on the forum for the past week or two.

Unless all I am doing is help.Nice, anonymously advocating for another race on a sex forum. Why do you feel that it is necessary to advocate for Asians and what makes you think a sex forum is the best place to do so. Why not stand up publicly and and advocate for change in your own culture to be more accepting of other races, cultures and religions. You could even create a political agenda, speak about the injustices perpetrated against Asians, Africans, Turks, Muslims, etc.

Sorry, I still haven't made it easy for you. Silly Rabit, Trix are for kids.

Chongmal
04-02-21, 00:49
Naaawww, you want me to spoon feed you information. I don't think so, it's not exactly hard to find what you're asking for. Consider it a test of your intelligence, so far you and Mursenary have failed the test miserably.

I've probably been mongering in more countries than you've even visited and all of my posts are clearly not "from Columbia, General Forum, Germany". You should try to get your facts straight, the simple fact that you wrote "Columbia" instead of Colombia didn't exactly strengthen your credibility.

It's truly fascinating that you keep picking on me while you've no problem when you and Mursenary are posting a ton of irrelevant and insulting posts. Some people would call you a hypocrite, and most people do not like hypocrites.

I didn't come here to discuss politics but I will continue until people like you learn to behave.

Anyways, you should apologize for your shameful behavior.Nice, you're going to teach me something. Let's think, that is what that little blonde told me at the Reeperbahn, only she did teach me some things. Of course, that was most likely back before you were born, for sure before you became a full grown idiot that makes your mother proud. I'm sorry if I keep giving you the nagel in your face, but it seems you like it.

Mursenary
04-02-21, 04:43
Lmfao, dude you at this moment got 809 out of 809 posts of irrelevant BS. You're a troll. As I wrote earlier I've mongered in more countries than you trolls have even visited.After mongering in so many places, can you confirm that Brazilian men have the smoothest buttholes? Or do you prefer being a "bottom"?

ShooBree
04-02-21, 04:56
Nice, you're going to teach me something. Let's think, that is what that little blonde told me at the Reeperbahn, only she did teach me some things. Of course, that was most likely back before you were born, for sure before you became a full grown idiot that makes your mother proud. I'm sorry if I keep giving you the nagel in your face, but it seems you like it.Naaww, is the little baby upset. You're obviously a demented old weirdo ready for his last rest.

This is why I have stopped posting trip reports on this site, there are simply too many mentally unstable trolls on here.

Sirioja
04-02-21, 05:25
I've noticed that the white supremacist types don't show much racism toward Asian types until the Asian type becomes a threat, unlike the overt racism more often displayed towards black and brown people. They love the quiet, polite, industrious image of Asians but get all uncomfortable when the Asian becomes a competitive threat. Been fighting it my whole life.Seem new racism now in US about Asians. Funny stories from WGs about Asians who are most often easy for vagina business, many seeming preferring extra CIM rather than fucking. At Oase, some Asians experts make 100/150 in less than 15 mn with no fucking but CIM and 1 baby kiss. My only rooms without fucking were when I gave up because too disappointed by the girl, like on my fifth with German Lucifer at Palace, on April 2017, when we met twice before, repeating on each time for foreplay initiation, she asked me to stay for the 30 mn but I didn't want to lose my time with her and she touch me, I preferred to diner fast and made a really fast run in curves at night to Velbert where Kate was not so happy I didn't go with her, when she was too busy for my desire.

Pistons
04-02-21, 12:12
Lmfao, dude you at this moment got 809 out of 809 posts of irrelevant BS. You're a troll. As I wrote earlier I've mongered in more countries than you trolls have even visited.Oh believe me, he has even more posts than I have. Just add up his other handles. Takedown, Phallus Maximus, and a couple of others.

Pistons
04-02-21, 12:22
Nice, anonymously advocating for another race on a sex forum. Why do you feel that it is necessary to advocate for Asians and what makes you think a sex forum is the best place to do so. Why not stand up publicly and and advocate for change in your own culture to be more accepting of other races, cultures and religions. You could even create a political agenda, speak about the injustices perpetrated against Asians, Africans, Turks, Muslims, etc.

Sorry, I still haven't made it easy for you. Silly Rabit, Trix are for kids.I understand that you have a hard time understanding context. Which was how factory mentality leads to brainwashing. As is also seen in the west, but in the last 30 or so years we have tried to change this attitude, as well as the schooling system away from the out of date industrial mentality schooling system.

Mursenary: well, taste of looks are in the eyes of the beholder. But I am not the one who walks over to someone in an FKK and pushes him away after first standing 4 meters away, being cringy, not knowing the name of a girl I get asked about, right after the guy I push is just done in the room and randomly ask who I am waiting for. And that guy I push clearly first states he is with no ammo left at all. And as he is a communication expert, and notice the cringy silence and nothing happening, walks over to ask a simple question.

Pistons
04-02-21, 12:24
Being less brainwashed is important in order to understand how the pro-vaxxer mafia is trying to screw us all over. So quite relevant to all of humanity. And so we are all in the same boat here.

Pistons
04-02-21, 12:39
The inside of a person is where the pot ends up. Alternatively does not end up. Weather or not pot is beautiful is up for debate, but it may also be related to the medical effects of pot itself.

Pistons
04-02-21, 13:49
Actually I think I remember you Chongmal. Was it you who told me you agreed on the fact Oceans had the best looking girls among the nrw clubs? If so, at least you are honest sometimes. But tribal posts on the forum is not something I'm a big fan of.

HammerTime96
04-02-21, 16:00
Let the paper trail reveal the truth.

Regarding your last line, you have your work cut out for you on this forum. Many opportunities from multiple bullshit artists. At least he keeps his exaggerations mostly only about himself. Some unfound claims about mutations and tracking covid spread, but overall the bullshit is relatively contained to topics of self-grandeur.Talking about a paper trail, perhaps you want to update your optimistic prediction of FKK clubs opening in summer 2021? LOL!

The city of Hamburg just imposed a 9 pm-5 am curfew, as lockdowns in Europe are becoming more and more STRICT, instead of more relaxed:

https://www.thelocal.de/20210331/hamburg-to-introduce-curfew-amid-rising-covid-19-cases/

With an increasing number of tests on one hand, and a fixed Incident Value of 50-100 per 100 k inhabitants on the other hand, more lockdowns are guaranteed.

For anyone planning to travel to Europe in the summer I have the following advice: don't listen to some obscure ER nurse from SE United States, who doesn't speak a word of German and doesn't know the situation on the ground. The only thing he knows is promoting 'his' Frankenstein Vaccine, because he's nothing more than a (paid?) Big Pharma Troll.

Pistons
04-02-21, 18:01
Well, I always play chess in the room. But the only three times in 500+ that I haven't had orgasm inside the chess pieces were when I wanted to go with another girl right after. In Macau once I mistakenly picked the wrong girl. I think due to being way too tired. My main girl who I did go with an hour later got so pissed at me though. But I didn't dare telling her that I had had the other girl mistaken for being her. Of course my favourite was a 9, and the other girl a 5 or a 6. So a big mistake. Another girl tried to break my piece in two when playing chess, because my tower was dominating the game too much. So then also I just let her win. And the third time I was running short and I wanted to play two games in a row before leaving the final day.

But in 99% of the games I play I do finish. The idea that there is any such thing as competition at an FKK club is beyond me. I cannot even begin, or want to begin considering the psychological traits related to such ideas.

ShooBree
04-02-21, 18:02
Oh believe me, he has even more posts than I have. Just add up his other handles. Takedown, Phallus Maximus, and a couple of others.You're so right, wasn't he the guy who admitted that he had another account as well? Is he still posting from that account or what happened with that account?

Pistons
04-02-21, 18:07
Well most racism towards Asians seems to be from white women. I once talked to a politician who wanted to take in more Africans but less Asians. I argued for the opposite, telling her Asian women was better looking. She got so furious. I asked her if she preferred BBC. She almost ran away. Top semi famous politician.

Mursenary
04-02-21, 18:43
What was that prediction again? Want to cite that?


Talking about a paper trail, perhaps you want to update your optimistic prediction of FKK clubs opening in summer 2021? LOL!

The city of Hamburg just imposed a 9 pm-5 am curfew, as lockdowns in Europe are becoming more and more STRICT, instead of more relaxed:

https://www.thelocal.de/20210331/hamburg-to-introduce-curfew-amid-rising-covid-19-cases/

With an increasing number of tests on one hand, and a fixed Incident Value of 50-100 per 100 k inhabitants on the other hand, more lockdowns are guaranteed.

For anyone planning to travel to Europe in the summer I have the following advice: don't listen to some obscure ER nurse from SE United States, who doesn't speak a word of German and doesn't know the situation on the ground. The only thing he knows is promoting 'his' Frankenstein Vaccine, because he's nothing more than a (paid?) Big Pharma Troll.

Mursenary
04-02-21, 18:44
Naaww, is the little baby upset. You're obviously a demented old weirdo ready for his last rest.

This is why I have stopped posting trip reports on this site, there are simply too many mentally unstable trolls on here.Where was the first?

Mursenary
04-02-21, 18:45
You're so right, wasn't he the guy who admitted that he had another account as well? Is he still posting from that account or what happened with that account?Taked0 wn and Escape Artist were my other handles.

Mursenary
04-02-21, 18:48
For anyone planning to travel to Europe in the summer I have the following advice: don't listen to some obscure ER nurse from SE United States, who doesn't speak a word of German and doesn't know the situation on the ground. The only thing he knows is promoting 'his' Frankenstein Vaccine, because he's nothing more than a (paid?) Big Pharma Troll.BrustWarzen is the German word for nipples. It translate to Breast Warts.

Sirioja
04-02-21, 19:07
Actually I think I remember you Chongmal. Was it you who told me you agreed on the fact Oceans had the best looking girls among the nrw clubs? If so, at least you are honest sometimes. But tribal posts on the forum is not something I'm a big fan of.Are you sure? When his home was LR and he didn't seem to run after beauties. Each one own tastes of course, but no couch to chat with girls at Oceans where most girls just turn around for business. I can only thank him for his information even not accurate on beginning of September 2018, if he didn't, from her behavior in lounge and she threw me in face her towel when she understood we were speaking about her, I would never have gone with her, but then couldn't resist to answer her and what a good surprise after few seconds sitting together, when I asked her if I could and when seeing her nails care and skin care, I knew she could only be a woman for me. Even I touched the limit after 2 months and she was not able to resist to pressure at LR, but one of the most interesting met and even more out of room than in bed, what I call a real woman type. What I just don't understand is his logic, claiming I followed a cocaine dolphin at YY on January 2018, but advising to a bad guy like me, a girl in his home club on September 2018, I would never advice any girl to such a bad guy, when he also saw me weekly for months with my previous regular coming to me to start her day. When saying all girls are good, but maybe he really did hate this one when he didn't dare to tell about vulgar Jane, or we may not have same logic.

Sirioja
04-02-21, 19:26
After mongering in so many places, can you confirm that Brazilian men have the smoothest buttholes? Or do you prefer being a "bottom"?Brazilian men? I won't try to check. When some guys seem more interested by other guys, but I prefer to focus on few beauties I succeed to find. When I see a beautiful girl, I think this is a beautiful day.

Chongmal
04-02-21, 20:33
Actually I think I remember you Chongmal. Was it you who told me you agreed on the fact Oceans had the best looking girls among the nrw clubs? If so, at least you are honest sometimes. But tribal posts on the forum is not something I'm a big fan of.For sure it was not me that raved about Oceans. It feels a bit unjust to say it now because the clubs have been closed so long, but Oceans was the biggest rip off sauna club in Germany. I used it purely as a dinner and nap spot on my way out of town. Amazingly, the lady still tried to charge me for arriving by taxi when I showed her my car keys and asked if someone wanted to escort me to the parking lot and verify it was really there. I still hold it against the club for charging my friend and I the same entry price, we ate and drank the same things and then they levied a large fee for him when we checked out. Yes, Oceans was a piece of crap club. They recruited ladies by offering a club sponsored increase in rates. Then they failed to deliver on the upscale experience they advertised.

ShooBree
04-02-21, 20:59
Where was the first?You would already have known that if you hadn't failed the intelligence test.

Don't you ever get tired of picking fights with strangers on the internet?

Chongmal
04-02-21, 21:01
LOL, I leave that gay shit to you chinks.There we go. Your true feelings on the surface. May I ask why? What is it that an Asian man has done to wrong you?

Chongmal
04-02-21, 21:30
Naaww, is the little baby upset. You're obviously a demented old weirdo ready for his last rest.

This is why I have stopped posting trip reports on this site, there are simply too many mentally unstable trolls on here.Honestly, I could give a shit if you post a trip report or not. The issue is you attack everyone. You insult everyone. Be a well adjusted contributor and you might be surprised. Of course, that will never happen.

I really miss the days of Breandman and BasketCase, Arizona.

Chongmal
04-02-21, 23:06
Are you sure? When his home was LR and he didn't seem to run after beauties. Each one own tastes of course, but no couch to chat with girls at Oceans where most girls just turn around for business. I can only thank him for his information even not accurate on beginning of September 2018, if he didn't, from her behavior in lounge and she threw me in face her towel when she understood we were speaking about her, I would never have gone with her, but then couldn't resist to answer her and what a good surprise after few seconds sitting together, when I asked her if I could and when seeing her nails care and skin care, I knew she could only be a woman for me. Even I touched the limit after 2 months and she was not able to resist to pressure at LR, but one of the most interesting met and even more out of room than in bed, what I call a real woman type. What I just don't understand is his logic, claiming I followed a cocaine dolphin at YY on January 2018, but advising to a bad guy like me, a girl in his home club on September 2018, I would never advice any girl to such a bad guy, when he also saw me weekly for months with my previous regular coming to me to start her day. When saying all girls are good, but maybe he really did hate this one when he didn't dare to tell about vulgar Jane, or we may not have same logic.Thank you for actually knowing me. Perhaps you would like to explain to Pistons and Shoo the irony of me being classified as a person with "extreme anti-Western attitude"? I never had an issue recommending or discussing ladies with another man. I personally was happy to see you happy with a lady at LR.

Concerning the Lady at YinYang: Were you not curled up with Kitty while she wiped for me to shower? Did you not end up standing on the landing as we went into the room? Were you not waiting in the doorway when we left the room and walked back to the showers? Did you not wait in the doorway of the lounge for her to come back in? Did she not walk by you and grab another guy by the arm, go smoke and head off to the room with him? Did this cycle not repeat a second time before you changed and left for another club? I don't make this up. One last question for you. Wasn't it after this day that you started calling her Cocaine?

Mursenary
04-03-21, 00:38
You would already have known that if you hadn't failed the intelligence test.

Don't you ever get tired of picking fights with strangers on the internet?I'm just flirting with you honey buns. I'm tired of keeping our love a secret from the word.

Mursenary
04-03-21, 00:46
There we go. Your true feelings on the surface. May I ask why? What is it that an Asian man has done to wrong you?Sorry, it's my fault. He's a little angry with me because I'm selfish and always make him be the bottom. That ass is just so smooth!

BigBuddy69
04-03-21, 08:03
Sorry, it's my fault. He's a little angry with me because I'm selfish and always make him be the bottom. That ass is just so smooth!You're his alpha and you're better hung. He always had a very submissive side.

ShooBree
04-03-21, 09:52
Honestly, I could give a shit if you post a trip report or not. The issue is you attack everyone. You insult everyone. Be a well adjusted contributor and you might be surprised. Of course, that will never happen.

I really miss the days of Breandman and BasketCase, Arizona.This is hilarious, have you seen your own posts? I've already exposed you for being a hypocritical troll and yet you continue with your double standards and unacceptable personal attacks against contributing members. I have done nothing wrong, you and your other troll accounts should apologize immediately.

You're obviously an old demented geezer with a pathetic life who can't accept that people with different opinions have a right to write on this forum as well.

ShooBree
04-03-21, 09:58
Sorry, it's my fault. He's a little angry with me because I'm selfish and always make him be the bottom. That ass is just so smooth!It's extremely funny that him calls me gay, like you're not even a man. It's not my fault that you got a tiny penis and women consider you feminine.

Pistons
04-03-21, 12:19
, but no couch to chat with girls at Oceans.Inside at the main lounge yes. Although the bar works fine for talking, and also sometimes I eat together with girls there. But outside during the summertime, the couches there are almost no business and all social. Same with the two smoke areas, though I don't go there. Unless a girl sits there and asks me to come over.

Pistons
04-03-21, 12:30
Then they failed to deliver on the upscale experience they advertised.I once woke up in the cinema at Oceans by Maggie. We were both so horny that I fucked her for half an hour with tons of kissing and everything. Easily a top 5 fuck I've ever had. Hard to replicate, and not something to put a price on. But damn I won't complain on service there! Too bad she went to Artemis and I didn't go with her too many times. I think I gave her a crush on mini-piston right there. Could see it in her eyes every time I met her afterwards. If after this life we get to relive the best experiences we had in life, that one is at or near the top of list for sure.

Pistons
04-03-21, 12:35
Chongmal: I believe your exact words when we met at Acapulco Velbert was: "if I had been able to become a regular at Oceans and time to know all the girls there, I would have made it my favourite club". Then you went on to argue that as long as it was not a regular club, the management seemed to try and rip you off. Somehow that never happens to me due to my good looks I think. But either way, I am quite sure it was you.

Turgid
04-03-21, 14:30
Naaww, is the little baby upset. You're obviously a demented old weirdo ready for his last rest.

This is why I have stopped posting trip reports on this site, there are simply too many mentally unstable trolls on here.I thought it was because of covid 19 and closure of all FKKs.

Mursenary
04-03-21, 18:02
Seem new racism now in US about Asians. Funny stories from WGs about Asians who are most often easy for vagina business, many seeming preferring extra CIM rather than fucking. At Oase, some Asians experts make 100/150 in less than 15 mn with no fucking but CIM and 1 baby kiss. My only rooms without fucking were when I gave up because too disappointed by the girl, like on my fifth with German Lucifer at Palace, on April 2017, when we met twice before, repeating on each time for foreplay initiation, she asked me to stay for the 30 mn but I didn't want to lose my time with her and she touch me, I preferred to diner fast and made a really fast run in curves at night to Velbert where Kate was not so happy I didn't go with her, when she was too busy for my desire.New? Hilarious. Always been around. In children, it's often seen from the poor and uneducated.

As adults, I've mostly witnessed it from white males. Particularly when their self-confidence is threatened.

Mursenary
04-03-21, 18:35
It's extremely funny that him calls me gay, like you're not even a man. It's not my fault that you got a tiny penis and women consider you feminine.Stop hiding our love sweet cheeks. I'm sorry I forgot the lube last night. P.S. I love it when you do that thing I like. Kisses.

PaulInZurich
04-03-21, 19:42
In countries respecting human rights, you are innocent as long no proof ou are guilty, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland, so my car might overspeed on its own, or You could drive it, like some carbon light bicycle may be able to climb alone. So, according to human rights, Switzerland put in jail a innocent and I'm fully sure I'm not the only one. When limit is 120 for snails in expensive powerful cars, my cars were never flashed over 120 and only on autobahns, where some parts are limited to 100, or even 80 , maybe could be flashed on my alloy bicycle. But Switzerland seem to prefer drugs business, how many deaths and going to hospital from drugs in Switzerland? When I was never involved in any crash in Switzerland, nor Germany on full speed and going to grip limit, when I used to drive more kilometers in Germany than average for Germans. Swiss administration also robbering French material in my car, making messe, and liars, trying everything to make You pay, even they have no proof. Speed and maximum attack make adrenaline, not to fall asleep which is important cause for accidents on autobahns.Well, sweetheart, the law in Switzerland is that the owner of the car is responsible. The owner has to provide the contact details of the person driving in case the owner is claiming he wasn't driving. This has been litigated up to federal court. See, it's kind of not believable that the owner of a car does not know who is driving.

https://www.bger.ch/ext/eurospider/live/fr/php/aza/http/index.php?highlight_docid=aza://22-11-2017-6B_432-2017&lang=fr&type=show_document&zoom=YES&

At the same time it was just as according to the law that your "coyote" was confiscated. https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home/information-individuals/bans--restrictions-and-authorisations/radar-warning-devices.html#text=Radar%20 warning%20 devices%20 (radar%20 wave,%2 Dalert%20 systems%2 C%20 etc.)&text=These%20 signals%20 allow%20 drivers%20 who, place%20 them%20 on%20 the%20 market.

In Switzerland it is prohibited to use devices of this nature as well as to place them on the market. Devices of this nature will be confiscated and will be handed over to the responsible cantonal authorities. As a rule, the device will be destroyed and a fine will be imposed. If the device was not declared or incorrectly declared for customs clearance, this will lead to an additional fine.

So see, it was all according to the law.

Now, it is very possible that the police didn't know that in France you are second best driver only to Alain Prost so the rules don't apply to you.

Chongmal
04-03-21, 19:49
This is hilarious, have you seen your own posts? I've already exposed you for being a hypocritical troll and yet you continue with your double standards and unacceptable personal attacks against contributing members. I have done nothing wrong, you and your other troll accounts should apologize immediately.

You're obviously an old demented geezer with a pathetic life who can't accept that people with different opinions have a right to write on this forum as well.You calling me a Troll is like Antifa calling anyone else a Facial. This is the new age education. Shout, scream, insult, cancel. Well, I won't be canceled. I won't stoop to trying to classify you. I will let you continue to display your mannerisms and intellect and let the masses see for themselves.

PaulInZurich
04-03-21, 19:51
how many deaths and going to hospital from drugs in Switzerland?Since you asked, 165 deaths in 2018 with main cause of death drug consumption https://www.obsan.admin.ch/en/indicators/MonAM/drug-related-deaths.

In 2019 187 deaths in car crashes.

Sirioja
04-03-21, 21:22
Inside at the main lounge yes. Although the bar works fine for talking, and also sometimes I eat together with girls there. But outside during the summertime, the couches there are almost no business and all social. Same with the two smoke areas, though I don't go there. Unless a girl sits there and asks me to come over.I know there are many couches at Oceans, but girls there don't stay in couch with you for hours. On opening on end of 2014, Oceans claimed would become club number 1 in Germany and what really became? When I would drive to the moon for a beauty, but I will never accept to be fucked by desk, when on few times when I arrived at GT or LR, being welcome by my regular, so I forgot to wait my money back, chatting with her, and girls on desk came after me to give my money back. Never saw any other so not honest desk than at Oceans, just a shame.

Sirioja
04-03-21, 21:26
Since you asked, 165 deaths in 2018 with main cause of death drug consumption https://www.obsan.admin.ch/en/indicators/MonAM/drug-related-deaths.

In 2019 187 deaths in car crashes.When they really drive like snails, how many on autobahns from falling asleep? When can't be because overspeed.

Sirioja
04-03-21, 21:35
Well, sweetheart, the law in Switzerland is that the owner of the car is responsible. The owner has to provide the contact details of the person driving in case the owner is claiming he wasn't driving. This has been litigated up to federal court. See, it's kind of not believable that the owner of a car does not know who is driving.

https://www.bger.ch/ext/eurospider/live/fr/php/aza/http/index.php?highlight_docid=aza://22-11-2017-6B_432-2017&lang=fr&type=show_document&zoom=YES&

At the same time it was just as according to the law that your "coyote" was confiscated. https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home/information-individuals/bans--restrictions-and-authorisations/radar-warning-devices.html#text=Radar%20 warning%20 devices%20 (radar%20 wave,%2 Dalert%20 systems%2 C%20 etc.)&text=These%20 signals%20 allow%20 drivers%20 who, place%20 them%20 on%20 the%20 market.

In Switzerland it is prohibited to use devices of this nature as well as to place them on the market. Devices of this nature will be confiscated and will be handed over to the responsible cantonal authorities. As a rule, the device will be destroyed and a fine will be imposed. If the device was not declared or incorrectly declared for customs clearance, this will lead to an additional fine..Very simple for me: when I spent so much time in Switzerland for so many years and I loved beautiful Wallis, I won't go now for more than transit, sometimes to brothels, or Verbier, not even to Zermatt I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy, I don't like such country who doesn't respect human rights and where law is not same for all. And I won't advice to anybody.

ShooBree
04-03-21, 23:01
Stop hiding our love sweet cheeks. I'm sorry I forgot the lube last night. P.S. I love it when you do that thing I like. Kisses.You're just a pathetic troll, you have to be able to do better than that.

ShooBree
04-03-21, 23:03
You calling me a Troll is like Antifa calling anyone else a Facial. This is the new age education. Shout, scream, insult, cancel. Well, I won't be canceled. I won't stoop to trying to classify you. I will let you continue to display your mannerisms and intellect and let the masses see for themselves.You have already made it clear to everyone that you're just a hypocritical troll unable of handling people having another opinion than you. You're an embarrassment of this forum.

PaulInZurich
04-04-21, 00:11
Very simple for me: when I spent so much time in Switzerland for so many years and I loved beautiful Wallis, I won't go now for more than transit, sometimes to brothels, or Verbier, not even to Zermatt I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy, I don't like such country who doesn't respect human rights and where law is not same for all. And I won't advice to anybody.Princess,

I just showed how the law was applied to you. So please show how "law is not same for all", but of course you can only repeat the same ridiculous claims. And if you really believe that human rights were not respected, well there is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. But of course any lawyer would have laughed at your ridiculous claims.

I sincerely hope you stay out, no need for insane people with delusions of grandeur driving around. Don't forget to take your pills.

PaulInZurich
04-04-21, 00:33
When they really drive like snails, how many on autobahns from falling asleep? When can't be because overspeed.In France speed limit on highway is 130 when dry and 110 when raining. Do people in France all fall asleep at the wheel when it's raining then?

Other countries with speed limit 120 or lower: Australia, Belgium, Canada, Estonia, Finland, Ireland, Japan, Latvia, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, UK.

Ah, I forget you are a better driver than all the drivers in these countries.

In any case, how often and by how much did you speed after you were caught in Switzerland? See, speed limits and enforcing them works.

Chongmal
04-04-21, 03:42
You have already made it clear to everyone that you're just a hypocritical troll unable of handling people having another opinion than you. You're an embarrassment of this forum.Just to be sure:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process.

As I recall, I said nothing to you. I stated simply that it was amazing how many virology experts were members of this forum. You led with inflaming, argumentative name calling comments. Pistons responded saying that I displayed "extreme anti-Western attitude". Then the word Chink flew out of somebody's mouth. Several Asian stereo types were tossed around.

Go ahead, keep sticking your foot in you mouth. All the readers here can see by the definition who the offending party really is.

Mursenary
04-04-21, 04:16
You're just a pathetic troll, you have to be able to do better than that.What's that? You want me to fuck you harder next time? You got it!

Pistons
04-04-21, 09:12
India has a new virus mutant now with both the L452 R (totally new) and E484 Q (also seen in a USA version). Both on the spike protein making vaccines less effective.

While the brutish 'Kent's mutation of covid in Europe now also has gained the E484 K mutation previously seen in SA and Brazil. Which makes it better at evading vaccines.

And the Brazil Manuaus version is just continuing to mutate wildly.

By the time we get everyone vaxxed, all these new mutations will make the first round of vaccines 50% useless. Maybe people won't die as much, but it will continue spreading and mutating. And people will need additional shots in the arm (or head), further increasing the risk of vaccine damage by autoimmune diseases.

Sirioja
04-04-21, 12:51
Chongmal: I believe your exact words when we met at Acapulco Velbert was: "if I had been able to become a regular at Oceans and time to know all the girls there, I would have made it my favourite club". Then you went on to argue that as long as it was not a regular club, the management seemed to try and rip you off. Somehow that never happens to me due to my good looks I think. But either way, I am quite sure it was you.Aren't you mistaking? When he was best supporter for LR and he did really hate when You write something bad about LR or girls there, except maybe Jane when he didn't dare after his bad experience at GT, like if he was interested for business there, when I liked when my followers needed to tell me they didn't like my girls, just made me happy they wasted money following me, I m not Kardashian, I don t need followers doing same like me. He claims about me at YY when I never noticed him anywhere else before meeting at LR, after his story at YY and when under cocaine since she worked at GT and some NL there knew how to play AO with her for cocaine, reason why she left GT where she was busy. When she sent me messages when she returned at home for Christmas 2017, she was only my third choice after part timer wow Elena and so sweet GFE Fabienne ex GT, much more my types at YY. I don't remember when we met on 2018 at LR, but I remember he told he saw me weekly for months with my past regular when I never noticed him, even he was at LR weekly, but I m not interested by guys, but he showed to a bad guy running after girls, the new beauty as he told, on beginning of September 2018. If I was him, I would have enjoyed the new beauty before bad guy arrived, when I really pushed from Paris to be on time for dinner before 10 pm, when she started at 8 pm. I can t understand guys who need to defend clubs they like or girls working there, who have problems when you report your subjective bad experience. When I enjoyed, I write positive, when I m disappointed, I will also write and I don t care if staff are happy or not. This is just my freedom, I don't care about clubs, I'm not to support their business. Of course I also don't care about guys or followers, only girls interest me when I always thought clubs were to meet girls, not to be more interested by other guys. But I can only agree with him, even we have different tastes for looks and girls behavior, about really bad behavior for desk at Oceans, reason why I didn't return often and also pretty sure why was not crowded on my few visits.

HammerTime96
04-04-21, 13:41
What was that prediction again? Want to cite that?Why don't you stop trolling and put your money where your mouth is?

Let's see about your track record:


Yes, we are likely going to have a long winter with late March / April looking to show the first signs of normalcy. I wouldn't make any international travel plans before May, June to be safe.March / April to "show first signs of normalcy?" Hahahaha! You amateur!

The sad reality is that, despite your lies, vax-promotion and gaslighting, Germany is still locked down.


I agree with your estimates regarding reopening dates. Hoping for May, betting on August.FYI in case you don't know how to read a calendar: May starts in less than 30 days. LOL!

https://www.sat1.de/tv/fruehstuecksfernsehen/video/biontech-chef-haelt-harten-lockdown-im-sommer-fuer-moeglich-clip


Der BioNTech-Gründer Ugur Sahin hält einen Lockdown im Sommer für nötig, sollten die Infektionszahlen nicht sinken.Translation: 'BioNTech founder Ugur Sahin deems lockdown in summer for necessary, in case infection numbers don't decrease.' Those 'infection' numbers will of course not sink with mandatory testing and an Incident Value which is relative to the fixed 100 k inhabitants, instead of the variable number of tests.

Now you and your 'buddies' can continue to pollute this thread with lots of off-topic bullshit in order to cover your fuckups and total lack of understanding. LOL!

P.S. AstraZeneca is so "successful" against mutations that South Arica has stopped vaccinating: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/south-africa-suspends-use-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop.

So Mursenary, a really 'difficult' question for such an 'expert' like yourself: how long will it take for the South African "mutation" to reach Europe and render the AstraZeneca vaccine completely useless?

Here are the flights between Cape Town / Jo-burg and Frankfurt;.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh576

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh573

You hear that clock ticking? Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock.

Sirioja
04-04-21, 18:06
India has a new virus mutant now with both the L452 R (totally new) and E484 Q (also seen in a USA version). Both on the spike protein making vaccines less effective.

While the brutish 'Kent's mutation of covid in Europe now also has gained the E484 K mutation previously seen in SA and Brazil. Which makes it better at evading vaccines.

And the Brazil Manuaus version is just continuing to mutate wildly.

By the time we get everyone vaxxed, all these new mutations will make the first round of vaccines 50% useless. Maybe people won't die as much, but it will continue spreading and mutating. And people will need additional shots in the arm (or head), further increasing the risk of vaccine damage by autoimmune diseases.Continental Europe situation on 2021 is due to UK mutant, spreading more, killing more and younger people, so we can masturbate for a while about German FKK, when borders are more and more closed, even inside EU. UK really made us after Brexit bad killer gift. Wish heat will make it less strong, when don't seem to work in Brazil.

Canary
04-04-21, 19:10
UK really made us after Brexit bad killer gift.What utter baloney!

Mursenary
04-04-21, 19:11
Why don't you stop trolling and put your money where your mouth is?

Let's see about your track record:

March / April to "show first signs of normalcy?" Hahahaha! You amateur!

The sad reality is that, despite your lies, vax-promotion and gaslighting, Germany is still locked down.

FYI in case you don't know how to read a calendar: May starts in less than 30 days. LOL!

https://www.sat1.de/tv/fruehstuecksfernsehen/video/biontech-chef-haelt-harten-lockdown-im-sommer-fuer-moeglich-clip

Translation: 'BioNTech founder Ugur Sahin deems lockdown in summer for necessary, in case infection numbers don't decrease.' Those 'infection' numbers will of course not sink with mandatory testing and an Incident Value which is relative to the fixed 100 k inhabitants, instead of the variable number of tests.

Now you and your 'buddies' can continue to pollute this thread with lots of off-topic bullshit in order to cover your fuckups and total lack of understanding. LOL!

P.S. AstraZeneca is so "successful" against mutations that South Arica has stopped vaccinating: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/south-africa-suspends-use-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop.

So Mursenary, a really 'difficult' question for such an 'expert' like yourself: how long will it take for the South African "mutation" to reach Europe and render the AstraZeneca vaccine completely useless?

Here are the flights between Cape Town / Jo-burg and Frankfurt;.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh576

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh573

You hear that clock ticking? Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock.Funny how you take optimism and hope to mean predict. Pretty sure my quote says specifically "hope for May bet on August". Or did the words "wouldn't make international travel plans before May / June" not register when in a desperate blind rage to merely win an argument?

Have we not seen the first signs of normalcy? Did UK and Portugal not begin the first stages of lifting restrictions? The US is basically wide open in at least half of the states. Did you interpret "first signs of normalcy" to mean "completely restored to normal everywhere"?

I have not made any concrete predictions as I do not profess to know how everything will unfold. How long will South Africa variant take to spread and what will be the effect? That's beyond my expertise to predict. But more importantly, do you see cases or deaths going up in South Africa to warrant you bringing that up? Did I miss something?

That's great that you understand that numbers don't decrease when the numerator goes up with denominator staying the same. Hooray for basic grade school math. But have I ever endorsed that incidence threshold be fixed? I don't remember doing so. In fact, I agree that threshold should be reevaluated if we are testing more. You know it is possible give praise to Germany's efforts while also giving specific criticism at the same time right? They surely are doing something right considering that they still maintain one of the better controlled COVID situations despite their compromising geographic location adjacent to 9 or so other nations.

Unlike your consistent positions supporting a predictable anti-everything platform, I am no cheerleader of any one institution.

Vaccines are not perfect but if there are other options, let's hear it. The notion of locking up the old until we reach natural herd immunity would clearly not work as seen in Brazil and Mexico. One year with open societies and counting and nowhere near natural herd immunity in either nation. Meanwhile variants are building and we keep the old locked up. Same argument you have with vaccines.

So, what's your next proposition?

They're mutating in Mexico and Brazil as we wait for your next suggestion. TikTokTikTokTikTok.

ExpatLover
04-04-21, 19:22
India has a new virus mutant now with both the L452 R (totally new) and E484 Q (also seen in a USA version). Both on the spike protein making vaccines less effective.

While the brutish 'Kent's mutation of covid in Europe now also has gained the E484 K mutation previously seen in SA and Brazil. Which makes it better at evading vaccines.

And the Brazil Manuaus version is just continuing to mutate wildly.

By the time we get everyone vaxxed, all these new mutations will make the first round of vaccines 50% useless. Maybe people won't die as much, but it will continue spreading and mutating. And people will need additional shots in the arm (or head), further increasing the risk of vaccine damage by autoimmune diseases.This is not a discovery, many times I wrote on this forum that the vaccines are a tool like washing the hands, masks. But not the ultimate one, why should they be more efficient that the one against the normal flue? Nobody knows what is the future of this pandemy may be can disappear in 1 or 2 months, may be there for several years and killing 5, 10% or more of the global population.

HammerTime96
04-04-21, 19:57
LOL, you're just a mentally unstable chink with a yellow micropenis. You're pathetic.You mean: another ChiCom spreading Covid1984 fake news and part of the CCP psy-ops campaign to destabilize the West and destroy our FKK Freedom?!

Gino02
04-04-21, 20:01
Was watching France24 live news after a long time, even this libtard news agency started to sing that lockdowns aren't really working good overall for France and Europe. When will the people of Europe overthrow these libtard governments? Only reasons USA is doing better now with vaccines because of Trump's push for vaccines in less than a year (when all democrats were saying that's impossible), and his America first policies. True he lost the election, arguably by frauds by the Dems, but if he didn't do the fundamental America first things, USA would have been in same deep shit like Europe (Biden is just reaping the seeds planted by Trump). Let's see when Europe wakes up. For example, now that California Governor is facing Recall, everything is opening up there LOL.

HammerTime96
04-04-21, 20:09
India has a new virus mutant now with both the L452 R (totally new) and E484 Q (also seen in a USA version). Both on the spike protein making vaccines less effective.

While the brutish 'Kent's mutation of covid in Europe now also has gained the E484 K mutation previously seen in SA and Brazil. Which makes it better at evading vaccines.

And the Brazil Manuaus version is just continuing to mutate wildly.

By the time we get everyone vaxxed, all these new mutations will make the first round of vaccines 50% useless. Maybe people won't die as much, but it will continue spreading and mutating. And people will need additional shots in the arm (or head), further increasing the risk of vaccine damage by autoimmune diseases.Exactly! We're on a road to nowhere, and the lockdowns, face masks and social distancing (all 'invented' by the CCP by the way) have probably prevented herd immunity.

This is what leading vaccine experts like Geert vanden Bossche (developed many vaccines and worked for big pharmaceutical companies and GAVI, Global Vaccine Alliance) have already predicted, but our CCP Nursenary probably 'knows' better. / sarc.

Here is a real vaccine expert, Geert vanden Bossche, not some anonymous PLA Unit 61398 troll artist pretending to be a doctor;.

https://youtu.be/qu8PlB4yQ4k

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BNmUyioaAETO/

Mursenary
04-04-21, 20:29
LOL, you're just a mentally unstable chink with a yellow micropenis. You're pathetic.You know I get that micro hard-on when you talk dirty to me. Can't wait to see you in our normal spot, glory hole in stall number 3 at the Petrol station? I'm getting a little stiffy just thinking about your slobbery mouth.

Mursenary
04-04-21, 22:27
Nice, you're going to teach me something. Let's think, that is what that little blonde told me at the Reeperbahn, only she did teach me some things. Of course, that was most likely back before you were born, for sure before you became a full grown idiot that makes your mother proud. I'm sorry if I keep giving you the nagel in your face, but it seems you like it.Dude,

Apparently this one hit him so hard that he had to respond to it twice over, and 2 days later to boot. Good job Ching Chong Mai! Not going to lie, I'm a little jealous.

Mursenary
04-05-21, 01:36
Apparently pent up sexual frustration leads to ISG guys turning it into QAnon corner. It all makes sense!

Mursenary
04-05-21, 01:45
Exactly! We're on a road to nowhere, and the lockdowns, face masks and social distancing (all 'invented' by the CCP by the way) have probably prevented herd immunity.

This is what leading vaccine experts like Geert vanden Bossche (developed many vaccines and worked for big pharmaceutical companies and GAVI, Global Vaccine Alliance) have already predicted, but our CCP Nursenary probably 'knows' better. / sarc.

Here is a real vaccine expert, Geert vanden Bossche, not some anonymous PLA Unit 61398 troll artist pretending to be a doctor;.

https://youtu.be/qu8PlB4yQ4k

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BNmUyioaAETO/Dr Geert vanden Bossche phD, DVM. As in, Doctor of Veterinary medicine. Cool.

Pistons
04-05-21, 02:13
This is not a discovery, many times I wrote on this forum that the vaccines are a tool like washing the hands, masks. But not the ultimate one, why should they be more efficient that the one against the normal flue? Nobody knows what is the future of this pandemy may be can disappear in 1 or 2 months, may be there for several years and killing 5, 10% or more of the global population.About 9 or 10 months ago I made a prediction here on ISG that 30 million people would die by the end of 2021. As I recall, there were a handful of people here basically calling me insane, and one guy called me Thanos. Some of these people (I might look it up later) are among the wannabe doctors here on the forum. I call them useless garbage.

So what is your and other wannabe doctors predictions now? Closer to my 30 million estimate?

I also said I believed barely 30%, or maybe as low at 20% would even be registered due to many unaccounted deaths in poor countries. For my prediction to hold, only a doubling or a tripling of death numbers from today's level is required.

Yes you can name me the outmost expert on pandemics already! Thank you!

As I have clearly stated here before, this petri created virus will continue to mutate as long as it is needed. And the main reason is the revolution of the financial system and modernization of the world. Basically the automation potential is being swept up, and capitalism are in desperate need of reform. The real world leaders don't care about 30 or even 100 million lives. Future technologies (which we already have the means to implement) are so advanced that old capitalistic rules would not work at all. And they are holding us back. So this is essential to the survival of humanity.

However I don't agree on using a pandemic in order to get us there.

Pahllus Maximus
04-05-21, 03:32
Here we go again, UFO / CIA / conspiracy or aliens from space. I would rather take my chances and have a life rather than the lockdowns. Like it or not, those at risk are over 80% likely to be 65+ old. Baby boomers final departing gift along with a fucked planet, economy and neo-liberal / con bullshit etc etc. We also need a smaller population. Between funerals and estate fights of greedy descendants, this is good GDP. Seriously, COVID has permanently change supply chains and carrying values of commercial buildings and the workplace and infrastructure built on the assumption of commuting. Great for many. We need to inoculate the girls so they can be angels of sexual mercy.

As to this other nonsense by Shoobree, plenty of Asians with large tools, and the statistics do no reveal any major size difference, and vaginas are only about 4"-5" anyway with some stretch that I personally like to participate in and suspect many agree with this activity. German, Thai, Black, I love them all. Variety is good. Hot sex is good. Grinning from ear to ear is good.

Can we get back to the subject of ravishing beautiful young women?