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Pahllus Maximus
04-05-21, 03:39
I wear my amulet of Gypsy tears that protects against COVID, AIDS and democrats. That and Fox News for information plus white skin and attitude is all you need. Just look at eastern europe progress in the last 100 years.

PaulInZurich
04-05-21, 05:56
Exactly! We're on a road to nowhere, and the lockdowns, face masks and social distancing (all 'invented' by the CCP by the way) have probably prevented herd immunity.

This is what leading vaccine experts like Geert vanden Bossche (developed many vaccines and worked for big pharmaceutical companies and GAVI, Global Vaccine Alliance) have already predicted, but our CCP Nursenary probably 'knows' better. / sarc.

Here is a real vaccine expert, Geert vanden Bossche, not some anonymous PLA Unit 61398 troll artist pretending to be a doctor;.

https://youtu.be/qu8PlB4yQ4k

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BNmUyioaAETO/From https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ , pdf linked at Comments on common questions and criticism II 26.03. 2021, the last paragraph https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_be051e26f3ff4c25aecdd2c91416f5d4.pdf.

"Again, as much as I was in favor of letting the original pandemic (wild type!) run its natural course (in the absence of vaccines inducing sterilizing immunity!) while protecting the vulnerable.

And focusing on early treatment, I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants. There can be no doubt that such vaccines ought to operate according to a completely different principle."

Wait what? He says we need _GASP_ a vaccine? This coming from, one second, let me quote you, "a real vaccine expert".

Now what?

PaulInZurich
04-05-21, 06:50
This is what leading vaccine experts like Geert vanden Bossche (developed many vaccines and worked for big pharmaceutical companies and GAVI, Global Vaccine Alliance) have already predicted, but our CCP Nursenary probably 'knows' better. / sarc.

Here is a real vaccine expert, Geert vanden Bossche, not some anonymous PLA Unit 61398 troll artist pretending to be a doctor;.On his website Geert Vanden Bossche says "Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants" first thing, right on top of his website.

Two important points to mention about this sentence.

First point, "leaky vaccines". Leaky vaccines are vaccines that don't significantly affect transmission. Sadly for you, there are more and more studies showing that the current vaccines significantly reduce transmission. Initially these studies were not a priority, but now they are showing up.

Second point, leaky vaccines breed highly infectious variants, because they put evolutionary pressure on the virus. Even this is debatable, but let me just point that all of UK variant, South African variant and Manaus variant showed up before mass vaccinations in those areas, because, duh, the more the virus circulates, the more likely for a new variant to show up.

Now, we could go into the rebuttals of the rest of his argumentation, but I'll just add his conclusion in his doc from 26.03 "I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants. There can be no doubt that such vaccines ought to operate according to a completely different principle."

See pumpkin, he is not against vaccines in principle, he just doesn't think that the current vaccines are good, there should be a better vaccine and a vaccine is the only way.

Now I wonder, since he worked for the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, wasn't this all part of a diabolical plan from Bill Gates from the beginning. Send a, wait, let me find your quotes, "leading vaccine expert", "real vaccine expert", put out some youtube videos that people don't bother to completely watch and anyway people won't bother to actually, what is that weird activity that people don't do, ah right, people won't bother to READ what this guy is saying. Then at the end reveal that the one sentence headline that people send to each other from conspiracy theories. Org, isn't at all what the guy is saying.

In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, DOH.

Gino02
04-05-21, 06:52
Can we get back to the subject of ravishing beautiful young women?Agreed. But unless the clubs open, we aren't going to have anything new on the subject of ravishing beautiful young women, it will only be regurgitated old useless non-info.

Step 1 - (a) Open the clubs and (b) let the ravishing beautiful young women enjoy their work, Step 2 - Let the mongers enjoy the ravishing beautiful women, Step 3 - Write report here and the other forums, Step 4 - Go back to Step 1 (b).

Problem is, to get to Step 1, many of you scared mongers need start looking at how you can help (to get rid of) the Governments who are not letting the Step 1 to happen (this can be called Step 0). Otherwise, some of you older mongers can kiss "the chances of going back to FKK" goodbye for your lifetime. Well, you already knew, every action has a reaction, but many of you forgot and voted for the Governments and Leaders who are not letting the Step 1 to happen; so, remember that in your next opportunity to exercise your right to vote, that your votes can (and will in many cases) have direct practical consequences to your life and lifestyle, it's not just something high-level philosophical theoretical "fix the problems of the whole world" type lets-paint-the-sky-blue type shit. Learn how Californians made a previously super popular Governor to shit in his pants and forced him to open most of the businesses (including clubs) and schools, that's call voters taking control back; every state and country can do that too.

ShooBree
04-05-21, 07:46
You know I get that micro hard-on when you talk dirty to me. Can't wait to see you in our normal spot, glory hole in stall number 3 at the Petrol station? I'm getting a little stiffy just thinking about your slobbery mouth.Thank you for showing how childish and mentally ill you are.

HammerTime96
04-05-21, 09:48
Dr Geert vanden Bossche phD, DVM. As in, Doctor of Veterinary medicine. Cool.Ah yes, as always the gaslighting and personal attacks in order to destroy someone's credibility.

By the way, you know who else is a veterinarian? Lothar H Wieler, the head of the German Robert Koch Institute, RKI and the person responsible for Germany's handling of the Covid19 "crisis. ".

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_H._Wieler


Lothar Heinz Wieler (* 8. Februar 1961 in Königswinter) ist ein deutscher Tierarzt und Fachtierarzt für Mikrobiologie. Seit März 2015 ist er Präsident des Robert Koch-Instituts.As always, our CCP troll has no clue what he's talking about, and in the process he destroys his own argument! Your superiors will not be pleased, lah! LOL!

Rocky V
04-05-21, 11:45
Was watching France24 live news after a long time, even this libtard news agency started to sing that lockdowns aren't really working good overall for France and Europe. When will the people of Europe overthrow these libtard governments? Only reasons USA is doing better now with vaccines because of Trump's push for vaccines in less than a year (when all democrats were saying that's impossible), and his America first policies. True he lost the election, arguably by frauds by the Dems, but if he didn't do the fundamental America first things, USA would have been in same deep shit like Europe (Biden is just reaping the seeds planted by Trump). Let's see when Europe wakes up. For example, now that California Governor is facing Recall, everything is opening up there LOL.You probably do not understand or you pretend not to understand. Lockdowns work if people observe the rules. How else would you stop a communicable disease, genius? Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca never accepted any funds from Trump administration for the development of vaccines. Trump was the one, who said Covid is 'like a flu and would disappear like a miracle with the warm weather by Easter (2020)' and that he proposed to use the flu vaccine for covid because 'he gets these things'! Trump even got vaccinated before leaving the Withe House, but he did not advertise it because he needs the support of retarded people like you, who don't believe in science. Biden set up the whole vaccination programme in US and there are on track to deliver 2 million vaccines. If you don't see these facts, you are so messed up I really feel sorry for you.

Sirioja
04-05-21, 12:11
This is not a discovery, many times I wrote on this forum that the vaccines are a tool like washing the hands, masks. But not the ultimate one, why should they be more efficient that the one against the normal flue? Nobody knows what is the future of this pandemy may be can disappear in 1 or 2 months, may be there for several years and killing 5, 10% or more of the global population.When UK have record for deaths in Europe = 126 000 , but seem 21 millions vaccine they got from EU, with now having around 50/60% vaccine, help for less deaths now there and I m happy for them. Unfortunately, they brought us their mutant now killing continental Europe on 2021, when lack of vaccine for our citizens, when we sent them our vaccine production. EU have to protect much more and wish heat will help, waiting to produce more vaccine and keeping for us, like do UK, US and India.

Mursenary
04-05-21, 16:36
Thank you for showing how childish and mentally ill you are.I did stop taking my meds, all except one. Took my Viagra just for you sugar cheeks.

ShooBree
04-05-21, 17:15
I'm sorry that your racial slurs fail to impact me. I refuse to become upset and react by calling you names. You can end your horrible display by not reacting. You can prolong it by continuing to sling racial slurs. Doesn't matter to me, I will just sit here and smile every time you make a fool of yourself, another nagel in your face, which you seem to like.

Why don't I condemn Mursenary for attacking you, because that is his business not mine. When you said something generally insulting to many members of this forum on one of his posts, he told me not to react, so I didn't. I wrote a general post on someone else's entry on this forum, and you attacked me. So, now you are stuck with the issue you started standing in front of you, refusing to be bullied again. I'm like no Asian you have seen before. I also, like many of my Asian friends, won't let you walk over top of me or them.

Let's leave it to Admins. You say I'm a Troll, I showed you the definition of Troll. Admins, please go back to my posts from the beginning, around November 2017. I'm not sure of the dates but it was about the time Emma displayed true prostitute behavior and Sirioja started bashing LR at least weekly. At the same time LR struggled with the beginning of the controls and suffered some restrictions and or shutdowns. I joined the forum to correct inaccurate statements that LR was closed forever and to balance the negative reviews Sirioja gave about LR. For two years I posted regular reports on LR providing a near 100% lineup of who was working at LR and who was missing from the weekly rotation..Stop acting innocent, you're the instigator of bad behavior and unacceptable personal attacks against me and other members. You're the troll. You're the one guilty of being a hypocrite.

PaulInZurich
04-05-21, 18:09
This is not a discovery, many times I wrote on this forum that the vaccines are a tool like washing the hands, masks. But not the ultimate one, why should they be more efficient that the one against the normal flue? Nobody knows what is the future of this pandemy may be can disappear in 1 or 2 months, may be there for several years and killing 5, 10% or more of the global population.Because COVID-19 is not the flu and the vaccines used are different, they have different effectiveness.

Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines effectiveness 94%, flu vaccines 40 - 60%, polio 99%, measles 97%.

I agree that it is not the only tool to be used. I agree that we don't know the future of the pandemic.

Sirioja
04-05-21, 18:55
You probably do not understand or you pretend not to understand. Lockdowns work if people observe the rules. How else would you stop a communicable disease, genius? Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca never accepted any funds from Trump administration for the development of vaccines. Trump was the one, who said Covid is 'like a flu and would disappear like a miracle with the warm weather by Easter (2020)' and that he proposed to use the flu vaccine for covid because 'he gets these things'! Trump even got vaccinated before leaving the Withe House, but he did not advertise it because he needs the support of retarded people like you, who don't believe in science. Biden set up the whole vaccination programme in US and there are on track to deliver 2 million vaccines. If you don't see these facts, you are so messed up I really feel sorry for you.Even Macron told he made mistakes, but I m with him when he tried to let our schools opened, even spreading vector, but very important for our children, for education but also mental, and we really don't need a crazy Trump, nor crazy Bolzonaro, nor even crazy hair Johnson, in EU. We just have to learn to protect better and now keep our vaccine production to protect our citizens who need. Not only deaths from covid, but other damages like mental.

PaulInZurich
04-05-21, 18:57
About 9 or 10 months ago I made a prediction here on ISG that 30 million people would die by the end of 2021. As I recall, there were a handful of people here basically calling me insane, and one guy called me Thanos. Some of these people (I might look it up later) are among the wannabe doctors here on the forum. I call them useless garbage.Do you mean 30 million Covid deaths by end of 2021? I think the current count is at 2.87 million with 9 months to go.

Gino02
04-05-21, 19:32
You probably do not understand or you pretend not to understand. Lockdowns work if people observe the rules. How else would you stop a communicable disease, genius? Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca never accepted any funds from Trump administration for the development of vaccines. Trump was the one, who said Covid is 'like a flu and would disappear like a miracle with the warm weather by Easter (2020)' and that he proposed to use the flu vaccine for covid because 'he gets these things'! Trump even got vaccinated before leaving the Withe House, but he did not advertise it because he needs the support of retarded people like you, who don't believe in science. Biden set up the whole vaccination programme in US and there are on track to deliver 2 million vaccines. If you don't see these facts, you are so messed up I really feel sorry for you.People aren't sheep's, many will never follow the lockdown "rules", that's the human side of it. That's why I said lockdowns don't work. Same as even if you want people to follow border laws, illegals continue to cross the borders into Europe or USA unless you have walls. Laws alone without walls don't work. Same reason they have walls in the Frankfurt airport besides the polizei to check your visa and passport before you get in Germany. You get it now?

Pahllus Maximus
04-05-21, 21:39
Perhaps Shoobree and Mursenary need their own forum where they can flame. Let's get back to ravishing young beauties and a happy life like before COVID.

Pahllus Maximus
04-05-21, 21:42
Virii and proteins are stupidly complex and ever changing. Let's hope this is not a perpetual marketing and monetization scam.

I would not put it past big pharma to create a perpetual vaccine wheel or stupid / corrupt politicians. In fact I assume that to be the case and the population lacks critical skills to assess data. That is why the politicians are so bad. They reflect the ignorant and manipulated rabble. The examples of mass delusion are numerous, like wars, religion (s), mass hysteria etc etc.

What matters is the world opening like a return to 2018 rather than a perpetually isolated no fun zone and economic destruction. I got my shots to travel and ravish beautiful young women. Seriously though, if this COVID isolation becomes a way a life, what will it mean for supply chains and stranded "people" assets like airports, hotels, restaurants, airplanes, schools, stadiums and commercial buildings? And the banks and pension funds that invested in them on a set of assumptions that seems to be presently absent and may become permanently absent? Will the folks on this board be the last witnesses of an idyllic time of Roman style orgies in a club with a 100+ gorgeous beauties we can have at will? I feel so bad for the next generation of young men that will miss out. Same for restaurants and indeed much of life itself. Is life ever going to be fun again, in a way we can recognize?

Vets are smarter than most human doctors, they have to know a lot more anatomy and biochemistry for starters, so just because someone is a vert is no automatic disqualification. I'd listen to a virii specialist more than anyone, all I know is that proteins are fantastically complicated and changing, so much so it is amazing anything works at all. What is certain is more virii, perhaps deadly, perhaps not, we have lived with them since we crawled out of the ocean*.

What will happen if this keeps up? The reaction has been a economic and social disaster for the relative death rate. The cure may be worse than the disease. Maybe the real issue is people not accepting death as inevitable and pretending there is certainty with modern medicine when that is bullshit. Quality of life matters too, if not more. Who wants to be a medial trophy and source of doctor fees with tubes up the butt? All the statistics on infection and death do not measure misery and poverty the "cure" causes and mass economic and social destruction as a comparative.

The clubs are the least of our problems. We need airlines, restaurants and indeed the framework of life itself. Has it ended as civil liberties are to 9/11?

*Fox news viewers know the world started about 5000 years ago by go and evolution is made up. Your views are acknowledged along with the flat earth.

HammerTime96
04-05-21, 21:56
I did stop taking my meds, all except one. Took my Viagra just for you sugar cheeks.Hey Nursenary, our 'favourite rambling CCP Troll: how's the weather in China?

#) Care to comment about relevant things, like why the AZ "vaccine" doesn't work against the South African Strain?

#) Care to comment on that the German RKI is also run by a veterinarian? (since according to you, veterinarians are inferior when I post a story by Belgian vaccine expert Geert vanden Bossche).

#) Care to comment about YOUR prediction that "with late March / April looking to show the first signs of normalcy?" (By the way, we're talking about German FKK clubs in, wait for it, Germany, and not about "the UK and Portugal".

#) Care to comment about Merkel floating trial balloons for "a MEGA lockdown?" https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland/merkel-will-mega-lockdown-notfalls-durch-ein-neues-gesetz.

Fact is, you've been consistently WRONG about everything; lockdowns, vaccine efficacies, reopening FKK clubs, EVERYTHING, and with your insults to other forum users you display your true primitive character and a total lack of IQ.

Pistons
04-05-21, 22:03
, and vaginas are only about 4"-5" anyway with some stretch that I personally like to participate in Given how obvious it is that you are just another one of Mursenary's alternative handles, I'd guess no.

When that is said, most pussies are 20 cm deep. Meaning 7. 8 inches. When helped by a blood flow tight masseuse guru in Macau, another masseuse at the same sauna came over and measured mine at 7 inches (18 cm) exactly (from the belly side of course). It is hard to manage that myself when holding a measuring device without expert help since large parts of dick is always hidden inside, but I suspect when inside a hot girl it has reached that point other times too. And I never get the feeling I reach a limit. I go balls deep on every girl. Only maybe 10-20% say it's too big, and only girls younger than 23 years old. And I only go for below average height girls. Even with the most petite girls 1. 50 m tall, the massive majority have at least 7 inch deep pussies.

Whoever told you they are just 4-5 inches got to be trying to just help your self esteem. For some reason.

Even little Chinese girl 1.55 m tall from Changsha wanted to marry my cock. Biggest she had ever had she claimed. That's what I love about China. Feels like I get into Virginia territory even when they are 25 years old.

Pistons
04-05-21, 22:06
Do you mean 30 million Covid deaths by end of 2021? I think the current count is at 2.87 million with 9 months to go.But I said only 20-30% will be counted. Ergo at 3 m counted deaths, I predict 10-15 m has really died.

Mursenary
04-06-21, 01:24
Hey Nursenary, our 'favourite rambling CCP Troll: how's the weather in China?

#) Care to comment about relevant things, like why the AZ "vaccine" doesn't work against the South African Strain?

#) Care to comment on that the German RKI is also run by a veterinarian? (since according to you, veterinarians are inferior when I post a story by Belgian vaccine expert Geert vanden Bossche).

#) Care to comment about YOUR prediction that "with late March / April looking to show the first signs of normalcy?" (By the way, we're talking about German FKK clubs in, wait for it, Germany, and not about "the UK and Portugal".

#) Care to comment about Merkel floating trial balloons for "a MEGA lockdown?" https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland/merkel-will-mega-lockdown-notfalls-durch-ein-neues-gesetz.

Fact is, you've been consistently WRONG about everything; lockdowns, vaccine efficacies, reopening FKK clubs, EVERYTHING, and with your insults to other forum users you display your true primitive character and a total lack of IQ.China's a big country so I'm guessing it varies a lot. It's low 20_Cs in southern USA.

1# If you read past the headlines you'll see that AZ produced zero hospitalized patients. Effective.

2# Yes, vets are well educated health professionals and their work in many ways is much harder than human physicians.

3# We have different parameters regarding the topic.

4# Don't know. No opinion.

Mursenary
04-06-21, 01:53
People aren't sheep's, many will never follow the lockdown "rules", that's the human side of it. That's why I said lockdowns don't work. Same as even if you want people to follow border laws, illegals continue to cross the borders into Europe or USA unless you have walls. Laws alone without walls don't work. Same reason they have walls in the Frankfurt airport besides the polizei to check your visa and passport before you get in Germany. You get it now?This is true. Extended lockdowns will eventually fail because people eventually need to be people. Humans are social beings and are a bit dependent on each other. But that's the dilemma, without intervention, casualties would be a magnitude higher.

What's the solution? Completely open and reach herd immunity naturally? You would have April 2020 NYC death rates all over the world. If you use Brazil and Mexico as poster boards for "zero restrictions to herd immunity," you see that they're still nowhere near close to achieving that, even after a year.

I believe that vaccinations is the straightest line to solving the pandemic problem, obviously others do not.

Mursenary
04-06-21, 01:55
Perhaps Shoobree and Mursenary need their own forum where they can flame. Let's get back to ravishing young beauties and a happy life like before COVID.Fuck you nerd.

PaulInZurich
04-06-21, 05:42
But I said only 20-30% will be counted. Ergo at 3 m counted deaths, I predict 10-15 m has really died.Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.

I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.

Chongmal
04-06-21, 05:43
Stop acting innocent, you're the instigator of bad behavior and unacceptable personal attacks against me and other members. You're the troll. You're the one guilty of being a hypocrite.Please, show me where I attacked you, called you names, Trolled or Gaslighted you. I may as well throw what if and cancel in here just to cover down. Me too, I can't believe I used all that hypersensitive internet slang in one post. If I do decide to unleash on you it will be obvious.

PaulInZurich
04-06-21, 06:12
I believe that vaccinations is the straightest line to solving the pandemic problem, obviously others do not.HT's favorite virologist Geert Vanden Bossche believes that too. His quote from 26.03: "I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants."

There might be a need for booster shots at some point, but the faster the current vaccines get in people's arms the less of a chance of a variant with real immunological escape. UK variant is under control in the UK where they had enough doses. While US should have solid vaccination rates by July, EU will take months longer, I wonder how many. And then there's the rest of the world.

Sirioja
04-06-21, 07:26
But I said only 20-30% will be counted. Ergo at 3 m counted deaths, I predict 10-15 m has really died.With Brazil, we will go much over 3 millions deaths on this year and when we have in France, people who had 2 doses vaccine and positive again after to covid, or famous football player Marco Verratti. It twice positive in less than 3 months, so not finished to spread from mutants, and will be deaths from consequences: mental, new poverty, economy problems, for next years. Fortunately, most people forget very fast.

Sirioja
04-06-21, 09:36
Perhaps Shoobree and Mursenary need their own forum where they can flame. Let's get back to ravishing young beauties and a happy life like before COVID.I'm always surprised, when no decision to save the world taken here, but when all guys claim to be clever businessman to girls, but most of them here and same on French language forum, are not clever enough to be able to accept other opinions, even we can disagree, but other opinions can be interesting, or not, but this is just call tolerance, open mind, cleverness, which seem quite rare for real in this business. When some bullshiting specialists more interested by guys than able with girls, when some fakers, but not so big problem to change my life or way to think, accepting other opinions. For some, even I won t invite him for holidays, even I don t understand he needs to tell about my girls when I don t name them to protect them from some of my followers or some girls asking me not to name them nor to write sexual or private details, even I'm really happy when some of my followers need to tell me my girls are not good for them, but they are not me, but Chongmal is not not what I call a faker troll, we just disagree, but at least I don't need to tell about his girls or to make his girls reading his writings, we have just very different behavior, maybe US versus France, when I also don't need to support clubs or girls business, when I don't care, but just look for woman types and needing to eat. As EMA told me on our last day, Friday 6 October 2017, when we started together as weekly usual, but when chatting later in the afternoon: today you can be happy, I have no business, so I'm fully free for you, same like on polizei controls I attended at LR, with guys leaving like rabbits, great days and also on our last one for me, even I refused on next week, but I wish her a great woman life and to be free for her money. At least, great conclusion for our sexual way together, when she was so low level on discovery, even at high level at this time LR since 3 weeks, but became so enjoyable improving so much, I think I could have gone weekly and only with her for as long she worked, but I need interesting attractive image.

As say girls, we are all different, and with different cultures, different educations and experiences with women, quite normal to have different opinions about girls and else.

Mursenary
04-06-21, 10:42
On his website Geert Vanden Bossche says "Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants" first thing, right on top of his website.

Two important points to mention about this sentence.

First point, "leaky vaccines". Leaky vaccines are vaccines that don't significantly affect transmission. Sadly for you, there are more and more studies showing that the current vaccines significantly reduce transmission. Initially these studies were not a priority, but now they are showing up.

Second point, leaky vaccines breed highly infectious variants, because they put evolutionary pressure on the virus. Even this is debatable, but let me just point that all of UK variant, South African variant and Manaus variant showed up before mass vaccinations in those areas, because, duh, the more the virus circulates, the more likely for a new variant to show up.

Now, we could go into the rebuttals of the rest of his argumentation, but I'll just add his conclusion in his doc from 26.03 "I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants. There can be no doubt that such vaccines ought to operate according to a completely different principle..Admittingly, I don't often watch the long video links posted here, such as the ones posted by the OP.

But this rebuke to the OP's claim was conveniently ignored. Such is the norm.

Rocky V
04-06-21, 12:22
People aren't sheep's, many will never follow the lockdown "rules", that's the human side of it. That's why I said lockdowns don't work. Same as even if you want people to follow border laws, illegals continue to cross the borders into Europe or USA unless you have walls. Laws alone without walls don't work. Same reason they have walls in the Frankfurt airport besides the polizei to check your visa and passport before you get in Germany. You get it now?If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves!

Pistons
04-06-21, 13:46
Fuck you nerd.LOL! Way to try and distance yourself from your alternate handle.

Turgid
04-06-21, 15:26
...Otherwise, some of you older mongers can kiss "the chances of going back to FKK" goodbye for your lifetime....Well, at least I'm grateful I have the memories such as Marie De. and Romanians Simona and Sarah, Oase, circa 2011.

Mursenary
04-06-21, 16:58
Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.

I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.Doubtful. On the other hand, while the accuracy of covid deaths should be questioned, we can track excess mortality in most countries to much greater accuracy.

Even in the countries with the largest excess deaths such as Mexico, Brazil, and Russia, max excess deaths sits around 50% with only a week here and there where excess deaths reached 100-200% but only for that week or month, not the entire year.

The claim that 3-5 x more deaths occurred is not backed up by the rise in total deaths.

Here's a resource that links to several of the world's excess death statistics, updated as they come.

https://github.com/akarlinsky/world_mortality

Mursenary
04-06-21, 17:22
If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves!He may be using the point to push his personal position but he is right when he questions the efficacy of lock downs because people will ultimately not abide by the rules. You can tell people to eat healthy and exercise but most will not follow through. When the people are noncompliant with recommendations, what do you do? Keep with an ideal plan of care that works in theory but not effective in real life? Or prescribe the the antihypertensive and insulin to address their hypertension and diabetes?

What he doesn't distinguish and some others have alluded, they can be effective for a short while to buy time. But a year is a bit too much and is not practical, hence the promotion of mask wearing and vaccinations as the most practical strategies to solve the pandemic. But as we can see, there are parties who offer no effective strategies and only criticism at every strategy short of take Vitamin_D and lock up all the old people.

Mursenary
04-06-21, 17:41
When UK have record for deaths in Europe = 126 000 , but seem 21 millions vaccine they got from EU, with now having around 50/60% vaccine, help for less deaths now there and I m happy for them. Unfortunately, they brought us their mutant now killing continental Europe on 2021, when lack of vaccine for our citizens, when we sent them our vaccine production. EU have to protect much more and wish heat will help, waiting to produce more vaccine and keeping for us, like do UK, US and India.You say "sent" them vaccines. That doesn't paint the most accurate representation which would be that they deliberately purchased more vaccines. That implies that their government chose a more effective plan of action.

Mursenary
04-06-21, 19:36
Vets are smarter than human vets: virii scientists smarter than both..Obviously an attempt at a dig but ranking and basing "smarts" on professional training is overly simplistic at best. You don't have to have elite intelligence to perform any of the the duties of your listed professions, just some above average baseline ability with dedicated hard work. There are plenty of robot-minded medical professionals that just did the grunt work to get to where they are. Alternatively, I know a lot of genius level engineers working routine maintenance jobs who either just chased money or became complacent with job security and family life.

That being said, vets must learn a larger breadth of anatomy and physiology, but in practice do not have to keep up with nearly as much of the ever changing advancements in medical science, not to mention navigating as many social / ethical obstacles and institutional / legal red tape when practicing their craft.

Sirioja
04-06-21, 19:58
If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves!Nobody and even medical know much about covid and still now. Around 6 months ago, nobody knew what mutants will be, now killing EU. Some with 2 doses vaccine are positive again, some catch covid twice in less than 3 months. Wish weak to be protected not to die, and others will have to live with virus, mutants, and mask I hate. Have to wait virus will be bored of humans and prefer to return to beautiful pangolins.

Sirioja
04-06-21, 20:10
Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.

I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.And what do you think about Chinese figures? Other country where we can disappear with no human rights.

Gino02
04-06-21, 23:37
If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves!OK, let me dumb it down for you.

The whole concept of "If everyone had followed the rules" is meaningless. Anyone with half a brain knows everyone won't follow these "rules". I'm not saying all laws and rules are meaningless, but any law or rule that totally depends on "everyone" to follow it to the T for it's success, is totally meaningless and extraneous, and sometimes (like these lockdowns) are actually detrimental.

And that my friend, is the reason for this ginormous Covid failure of Europe lead by libtard power hungry Nazi-type leaders like Markel and Macron (side note, we might as well call them M&M).

Pistons
04-07-21, 00:38
Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.

I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.Some countries? Even the most developed part of Italy undercounted by 40%. (67% unaccounted deaths). In Africa the excess deaths are staggering. But you don't look at Africa it seems. Same with India.

Pistons
04-07-21, 00:44
To give you an idea about Africa:

Pre pandemic, Sub Sahara Africa had a lower average death rate than the entire world (due to increases in lifespan, and a large buffer there compared to the rest of the world). Now the total death rate there is double that of the global average. Africa isn't even counting 5% of total deaths. And India isn't much better considering the even higher population density there. Maybe India is counting 10%. Maximum!

And if you are too lazy to Google yourself than I pity your uselessness!

Mursenary
04-07-21, 00:44
Nobody and even medical know much about covid and still now. Around 6 months ago, nobody knew what mutants will be, now killing EU. Some with 2 doses vaccine are positive again, some catch covid twice in less than 3 months. Wish weak to be protected not to die, and others will have to live with virus, mutants, and mask I hate. Have to wait virus will be bored of humans and prefer to return to beautiful pangolins.By not knowing much, I have no idea what you mean. We pretty much know exactly how it affects the body and if given a person's medical history with baseline laboratory bloodwork, imaging, and various other baseline diagnostics, we can predict how the case will play out in each individual. Transmission has already been determined that it typically transmits by mainly by respiratory droplets despite the media's use of the term "airborne. " Simple masks have been advocated since last summer. Do we have all of the therapies to combat disease progression once it takes hold? That's another matter.

Don't confuse public misinformation with the what we do and do not know.

McAdonis
04-07-21, 00:47
Nobody and even medical know much about covid and still now. Around 6 months ago, nobody knew what mutants will be, now killing EU.The potential for a more dangerous mutation always existed and there were warnings very early in the pandemic.

From March 2020:


Like all viruses, SARS-CoV-2 evolves over time through random mutations, only some of which are caught and corrected by the viruss error correction machinery. Over the length of its 30,000-base-pair genome, SARS-CoV-2 accumulates an average of about one to two mutations per month, Rambaut says.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpretFrom May 2020:


A mutation can affect a virus in a number of ways, but only certain kinds of mutations might make the virus more dangerous to people. Perhaps the change shields the virus from the immune system, or makes it resistant to treatments. Mutations could also alter how easily the virus spreads among people or cause shifts in disease severity.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-mutations-strains-variants.

PaulInZurich
04-07-21, 06:50
OK, let me dumb it down for you.

The whole concept of "If everyone had followed the rules" is meaningless. Anyone with half a brain knows everyone won't follow these "rules". I'm not saying all laws and rules are meaningless, but any law or rule that totally depends on "everyone" to follow it to the T for it's success, is totally meaningless and extraneous, and sometimes (like these lockdowns) are actually detrimental.

And that my friend, is the reason for this ginormous Covid failure of Europe lead by libtard power hungry Nazi-type leaders like Markel and Macron (side note, we might as well call them M&M).Lockdowns are a terrible blunt tool. But they reduce the risk of transmission the stricter they are and the stricter they are enforced. See China, Australia, New Zealand. One is a totalitarian state, the other two are democracies.

The fact that you put lib and Nazi in the same sentence shows how brain washed you have become. Is Fox already too MSM for you?

You bring up Merkel or Macron as failures, but do you realize that the orange bloated buffoon is the laughing stock of the entire planet?

PaulInZurich
04-07-21, 07:18
And what do you think about Chinese figures? Other country where we can disappear with no human rights.Chinese figures are whatever Chinese government wants them to be, take them with a truckload of salt. But I don't think that it means that instead of globally under 3 millions deaths right now, we have 15 million deaths today. We probably don't have correct excess mortality numbers from China either, but for China to have a large number of deaths in the last few months, they would have had large number of infections. Then they would have areas with strict lockdowns, because they are not shy about that and we didn't hear of anything like that.

PaulInZurich
04-07-21, 07:40
Other country where we can disappear with no human rights.Cute how you bring up again human rights. You were proven wrong again and again, yet you keep coming back with this BS. Please go to China and start insulting the police. Then report back on the differences how you were treated.

It was your own choice that you went to jail instead of paying a few hundred francs. I wonder how many people think that was an intelligent choice. If you believe you were right, you should do it again.

The fine was according to the law and like I showed you earlier, the owner of the car is responsible. The radar warning device was confiscated according to the law.

Actually I believe the situation is not that difference in France, "land of freedom". If you contest that you were driving the car caught speeding, you have to provide the details of the driver: https://www.antai.gouv.fr/searchFaq#11793.

Radar warning devices are illegal and will be confiscated: https://www.sixt.co.uk/magazine/travel/speed-camera-detector-laws/.

"all precise speed camera detection technology is illegal – whether you are using the device in your car or not. So do not have a device in your car whilst you are driving irrespective of it is turned on. This includes GPS and sat nav systems displaying fixed speed camera locations. Penalties can be harsh: a fine of up to €1,500, confiscation of the device and potentially of the vehicle."

PaulInZurich
04-07-21, 08:31
Obviously an attempt at a dig but ranking and basing "smarts" on professional training is overly simplistic at best. You don't have to have elite intelligence to perform any of the the duties of your listed professions, just some above average baseline ability with dedicated hard work. There are plenty of robot-minded medical professionals that just did the grunt work to get to where they are. Alternatively, I know a lot of genius level engineers working routine maintenance jobs who either just chased money or became complacent with job security and family life.

That being said, vets must learn a larger breadth of anatomy and physiology, but in practice do not have to keep up with nearly as much of the ever changing advancements in medical science, not to mention navigating as many social / ethical obstacles and institutional / legal red tape when practicing their craft.I know it's and=1, but I don't know any vet who is intellectually brilliant, they seem to be all nice. I have respect for doctors, because they have to go through a long and tough school. Ok, some specializations are easy life once they have their practice.

The most intellectually brilliant people I know are some math or physics PhDs from some top schools. They sold their souls and work for investment banks or hedge funds. They say they are bored to death at work, but they relax when they drive home in the Aston Martin.

Rocky V
04-07-21, 11:19
OK, let me dumb it down for you.

The whole concept of "If everyone had followed the rules" is meaningless. Anyone with half a brain knows everyone won't follow these "rules". I'm not saying all laws and rules are meaningless, but any law or rule that totally depends on "everyone" to follow it to the T for it's success, is totally meaningless and extraneous, and sometimes (like these lockdowns) are actually detrimental.

And that my friend, is the reason for this ginormous Covid failure of Europe lead by libtard power hungry Nazi-type leaders like Markel and Macron (side note, we might as well call them M&M).It would have been enough that more people would have followed the rules and things would look very different now. Do you think New Zealanders, Australians, South Koreans or Japanese are aliens? They followed the rules there and they succeeded. In New Zealand they have restarted going to concerts! So, don't tell me that it is not possible. If Trump and Bolsonaro hadn't said that this was just a flu and it was going to disappear with the warm weather, now you would have a lot fewer deaths in those countries.

Also you seem to like the lib word, but Macron and Merkel are actually more conservative politically than liberal. The problem now is that every time someone says the word conservative, you immediately think of mentally-retarded / corrupt politicians like Trump, Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson.

Sirioja
04-07-21, 12:25
You say "sent" them vaccines. That doesn't paint the most accurate representation which would be that they deliberately purchased more vaccines. That implies that their government chose a more effective plan of action.EU is third vaccine producer, before UK. EU sent 21 millions, UK kept all their production, not sending back any. I don't think it was the deal. I wish EU will now keep for our citizens who need.

Saarland is starting to reopen a bit, but nothing about brothels, when peak should be on April when sometimes still cold with snow.

PaulInZurich
04-07-21, 16:21
Some countries? Even the most developed part of Italy undercounted by 40%. (67% unaccounted deaths). In Africa the excess deaths are staggering. But you don't look at Africa it seems. Same with India.If you know a good source that aggregates the data then share it.

Pahllus Maximus
04-07-21, 18:14
Mursenary has a point: we know the demographic at risk and progression. We know that governments tell whoppers, use propaganda and silence dissent by secrecy laws, defamation and so on according to whatever agenda and priorities they have. The CPI figures that exclude housing costs and "jobs" statistics are utter BS. Want some fun? Just go to you tube and looks at say Stalin comes to Berlin movie (hilarious), British Pathe and in the USA Corenet Instructional. Same mass brainwashing. Cultural Revolution is also funny and slapstick, but the consequences tragic. Same with the anti semitic BS. Fox News. And many/most lefty media and virtue signalling. The masses are pretty gullible and the politicians know it and exploit it.

Regardless of morality, COVID is two things, overwhelming hospital beds / staff and the nasty choice of rationing, the old 65+ or the 20 year old and that in turn is traded off against the economy and who controls it. Right now, financial services is about 40% GDP of major western economies and is dominated by baby boomers who own the loot and pay lobbyists heavily to keep the status quo. The politicians make noises but nothing to seriously change the carve up are reining in finance to a tiny single digit GDP. The same baby boomers control the COVID narrative out of rational self interest, albeit selfish. This is a a really big driver. I make no comment in the fairness, just the actual power dynamic.

To get really sick you basically need to be 65+ and / or obese (usual leakages and exceptions). Policy makers are copying each other with a dick size statistics war / propaganda. What they apparently don't realize is that this has permanently revolutionized the workplace and urban centres with remote work with huge impact on asset prices. My real worry is we are entering into a vaccine subscription model like a new smartphone every year / car or operating system that will dictate participation in border crossings etc. The economic dislocation is bad enough.

Let's hope our clubs will survive. Oase is probably gathering dust and deserted. Before it was full of life and girls being pounded by men in their prime enjoying the sexual summit and deep primal urge. Lots of chilled guys, grinning like kids. I cannot wait until Thailand opens or Deutschland. The soft touch of beautiful young women smiling and.

Gino02
04-07-21, 19:43
It would have been enough that more people would have followed the rules and things would look very different now. Do you think New Zealanders, Australians, South Koreans or Japanese are aliens? They followed the rules there and they succeeded. In New Zealand they have restarted going to concerts! So, don't tell me that it is not possible. If Trump and Bolsonaro hadn't said that this was just a flu and it was going to disappear with the warm weather, now you would have a lot fewer deaths in those countries.

Also you seem to like the lib word, but Macron and Merkel are actually more conservative politically than liberal. The problem now is that every time someone says the word conservative, you immediately think of mentally-retarded / corrupt politicians like Trump, Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson.Doesn't matter "if enough people followed the rules", they didn't, right? So net net it's the failure of that strategy. "What if" isn't practical in these cases. Same like "if someone like Trump was leading Europe with full control, FKKs would be open all along", but that's not the case, right? Just give it up man, simply admit that "lockdowns are a failed strategy", ok? Kapish?

Mursenary
04-07-21, 20:10
EU is third vaccine producer, before UK. EU sent 21 millions, UK kept all their production, not sending back any. I don't think it was the deal. I wish EU will now keep for our citizens who need.Deal? There was a deal between UK and EU? Is that true?

Canary
04-07-21, 20:28
EU is third vaccine producer, before UK. EU sent 21 millions, UK kept all their production, not sending back any. I don't think it was the deal. I wish EU will now keep for our citizens who need.

Saarland is starting to reopen a bit, but nothing about brothels, when peak should be on April when sometimes still cold with snow.The nasty old UK got their act together & signed vaccine contracts early then paid a high rate for them. The EU in their typical bureaucratic way dithered, argued for a cheaper price and now are paying the consequences for a delayed supply. It's pathetic of you & others to blame the UK for the inadequacies of the EU machine.

As much as I greatly dislike Johnson's government and the Brexit fall out they did at least get something right in procuring the vaccine contracts quickly & efficiency as opposed to the EU.

So stop blaming the UK and start looking at Ursula von der Leyen and her cronies.

I want Europe to sort itself out so that I can enjoy the delights of FKK Clubs again!

And don't forget Countries don't make the vaccine & sell it but private companies do. It's up to the Countries to secure decent contracts with those Companies which makes it irrelevant whether the vaccine is made in the UK or EU.

Sirioja
04-07-21, 20:36
Cute how you bring up again human rights. You were proven wrong again and again, yet you keep coming back with this BS. Please go to China and start insulting the police. Then report back on the differences how you were treated.

It was your own choice that you went to jail instead of paying a few hundred francs. I wonder how many people think that was an intelligent choice. If you believe you were right, you should do it again.

The fine was according to the law and like I showed you earlier, the owner of the car is responsible. The radar warning device was confiscated according to the law.A bad guy like me never provided details about other driver, I m not a Donald, and I was never put in jail in France, nor Germany. When I tell my story to German girls working in Switzerland, they look at me with round eyes, finding Swiss administration ridiculous, I would say shameful, when I was too polite to accept to follow polizei on Rheinfelden border control. But when they refused to let me give only 1 call, maybe they didn't want I could call a lawyer who would have asked them to give their proves about me, when they had 0 , but they prefer to put pressure on you to make you pay, but I m not a good client for this, I trained hard to resist to pressure, even when they threatened me to put me in small room with no window when I insulted them and kicked in the door, when I disappeared like if I was in China, when Albanian drugs dealers told me I should stop, but I didn't, they did let me have 1 call, not enough, so I kept on and they put me in small room with only little light for around 24 hours, but when I refused foods or to answer them, they didn't have balls to let me there, bringing me back with Albanians and what a welcome from them, they loved my foods I didn't want to eat and looked at me when they didn't want to be sent off Switzerland. After, their robbery and messe in my car, when don't speak to me in my language, I will refuse to follow them on next time, lawyer for me, or they will have to take risk. And of course I wish to see a prince climbing on his white carbon light bicycle climbing alone, in Gran San Bernardino on August, I will be there and I m sure I will be able to climb, on my French alloy bicycle which climbed all the steepest since few years.

Pistons
04-07-21, 21:13
Mursenary has a point:Please stop talking about yourself in 3rd person. This is getting rather stupid!

Pistons
04-07-21, 21:28
It would have been enough that more people would have followed the rules and things would look very different now. Do you think New Zealanders, Australians, South Koreans or Japanese are aliens? They followed the rules there and they succeeded. In New Zealand they have restarted going to concerts! So, don't tell me that it is not possible. If Trump and Bolsonaro hadn't said that this was just a flu and it was going to disappear with the warm weather, now you would have a lot fewer deaths in those countries.

Also you seem to like the lib word, but Macron and Merkel are actually more conservative politically than liberal. The problem now is that every time someone says the word conservative, you immediately think of mentally-retarded / corrupt politicians like Trump, Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson.Well the word conservative basically means 'scared of changes'.

However the tea party movement are hardly scared of change. So the wording of the US political parties are outdated. 'Conservative' is better used to describe the establishment. But who cares right? 95% are brainwashed anyway and unable to think for themselves.

And to Phallus Maximus (Nursenary): Africa and India won't be fully vaccinated before by the end of next year. So the virus has a long time to mutate away from current vaccines. Only imbeciles believe that the slow vaccination pace is not planned.

Swizz guy: just improve your googling skills. Geez!

ShooBree
04-07-21, 22:02
Please, show me where I attacked you, called you names, Trolled or Gaslighted you. I may as well throw what if and cancel in here just to cover down. Me too, I can't believe I used all that hypersensitive internet slang in one post. If I do decide to unleash on you it will be obvious.I've already exposed your personal attacks against me and others and it's obvious to everyone that you're a hypocritical troll.

Mursenary
04-08-21, 00:46
Doesn't matter "if enough people followed the rules", they didn't, right? So net net it's the failure of that strategy. "What if" isn't practical in these cases. Same like "if someone like Trump was leading Europe with full control, FKKs would be open all along", but that's not the case, right? Just give it up man, simply admit that "lockdowns are a failed strategy", ok? Kapish?As I partially agreed with you before, I'll also say „lockdowns are a failed strategy" is also not completely true. Again, Examples of New Zealand, Australia, SE Asia, etc show that they work when enforced or if the specific population complies. And for many nations, lock downs worked for several months until holiday season. They obviously work, just with the stipulation that their effectiveness correlates to the degree to which they can be enforced.

DrPoon
04-08-21, 01:02
I have to agree with Sirioja here. Here the Swiss government attempted to find a person without a hearing to determine the validity of the fine. Moreover, the owner of the car is not responsible if the owner of the car was not properly served with a violation and moreover it violates due process to punish a person who was not the person who committed the infraction. The underlying statute should be challenged as violating the Swiss constitution and hopefully it can be struck down and Switzerland forced to hold hearings and provide appeals prior to fining anyone. The confiscation of the radar detector also bring up a double jeopardy defense since confiscation amounts to a de facto fine at least the value of the radar detector and therefore to add an additional punishment basically is unlawful since the driver is punished twice for the same offense. Hopefully the Swiss constitution has a double jeopardy prohibition in it. Also they need to provide interpreters at all court hearings for people who don't speak the language of that canton.

Moreover if they are imprisoning a person they need to provide an appointed attorney free of charge.


Cute how you bring up again human rights. You were proven wrong again and again, yet you keep coming back with this BS. Please go to China and start insulting the police. Then report back on the differences how you were treated.

It was your own choice that you went to jail instead of paying a few hundred francs. I wonder how many people think that was an intelligent choice. If you believe you were right, you should do it again.

The fine was according to the law and like I showed you earlier, the owner of the car is responsible. The radar warning device was confiscated according to the law.

Actually I believe the situation is not that difference in France, "land of freedom". If you contest that you were driving the car caught speeding, you have to provide the details of the driver: https://www.antai.gouv.fr/searchFaq#11793..

Jmioffe
04-08-21, 01:03
I haven't had any human contact in a year, so I'm itching to break out.

Oase and Sharks are some of my favorites places, but they're not open yet, so they're out of the question.

Montreal would be my second choice but the border from the USA Is not yet open.

Friends tell me that Tijuana is open but dead.

So where would you go?

Rio? Cases are high in Brazil and Bolsonaro seems like a nut job.

Switzerland? I like the Globe FKK set-up but it's pretty pricey.

Ukraine? Colombia? United Kingdom?

PaulInZurich
04-08-21, 03:47
Swizz guy: just improve your googling skills. Geez!OK, so you have no sources, you just pulled something out of your back pocket.

BTW, I am not Swiss, if that is what you meant by "Swizz".

PaulInZurich
04-08-21, 03:51
I have to agree with Sirioja here. Here the Swiss government attempted to find a person without a hearing to determine the validity of the fine. Moreover, the owner of the car is not responsible if the owner of the car was not properly served with a violation and moreover it violates due process to punish a person who was not the person who committed the infraction. The underlying statute should be challenged as violating the Swiss constitution and hopefully it can be struck down and Switzerland forced to hold hearings and provide appeals prior to fining anyone. The confiscation of the radar detector also bring up a double jeopardy defense since confiscation amounts to a de facto fine at least the value of the radar detector and therefore to add an additional punishment basically is unlawful since the driver is punished twice for the same offense. Hopefully the Swiss constitution has a double jeopardy prohibition in it. Also they need to provide interpreters at all court hearings for people who don't speak the language of that canton.

Moreover if they are imprisoning a person they need to provide an appointed attorney free of charge.You are a bit late to the party. I provided earlier links to a case that was litigated right up to federal court in Switzerland and the underlying law.

Possession of radar detector is a separate offence from speeding, so no double jeopardy.

I don't believe that they didn't speak to him in French. Every Swiss learns at minimum 2 foreign languages starting with primary school. I don't believe in general what he is saying because so many of his posts on other topics that can be verified were all false. Like being stronger and fitter than professional athletes with a 5 million EUR salary.

I definitely believe there are issues with Swiss police, but this BS here is not one of them.

BTW, any Swiss can initiate a change of the federal constitution. Get 100 000 signatures to support the initiative and there will be a vote on it. Swiss constitution changes all the time.

PaulInZurich
04-08-21, 04:05
When I tell my story to German girls working in Switzerland, they look at me with round eyes..Why didn't you sue them after all that? There is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. Why did you keep going to Switzerland after that, after you "disappeared like if I was in China" ?

It's a story you tell to prostitutes to try to impress them. It's a fairy tale like The Emperor's New Clothes. Here is another thing you got wrong, they don't look at you with round eyes. Instead they roll their eyes, thinking how pathetic, here comes another one of those special people.

Why didn't you sue them after all that? There is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. Why did you keep going to Switzerland after that after you "disappeared like if I was in China" ?

PaulInZurich
04-08-21, 04:08
... in Gran San Bernardino on August, I will be there and I m sure I will be able to climb, on my French alloy bicycle which climbed all the steepest since few years.You forgot to add, faster than Peter Sagan.

PaulInZurich
04-08-21, 08:01
... I trained hard to resist to pressure, even when they threatened me to put me in small room with no window when I insulted them and kicked in the door... LOL, please do tell about your hard training. Was it RTI training with Commando Jaubert? De Montfort? CPA 10 ? DGSE?

Sirioja
04-08-21, 09:48
I haven't had any human contact in a year, so I'm itching to break out.

Oase and Sharks are some of my favorites places, but they're not open yet, so they're out of the question.

Montreal would be my second choice but the border from the USA Is not yet open.

Friends tell me that Tijuana is open but dead.

So where would you go?

Rio? Cases are high in Brazil and Bolsonaro seems like a nut job.

Switzerland? I like the Globe FKK set-up but it's pretty pricey.

Ukraine? Colombia? United Kingdom?If You can enter Switzerland, Cleo and Zeus are for 120 € 129 CHF for entry with drinks and wellness and 30 mn with a girl. Costa del Sol is also open for 80/30 or 150/60.

Rocky V
04-08-21, 10:02
The nasty old UK got their act together & signed vaccine contracts early then paid a high rate for them. The EU in their typical bureaucratic way dithered, argued for a cheaper price and now are paying the consequences for a delayed supply. It's pathetic of you & others to blame the UK for the inadequacies of the EU machine.

As much as I greatly dislike Johnson's government and the Brexit fall out they did at least get something right in procuring the vaccine contracts quickly & efficiency as opposed to the EU.

So stop blaming the UK and start looking at Ursula von der Leyen and her cronies.

I want Europe to sort itself out so that I can enjoy the delights of FKK Clubs again!

And don't forget Countries don't make the vaccine & sell it but private companies do. It's up to the Countries to secure decent contracts with those Companies which makes it irrelevant whether the vaccine is made in the UK or EU.US has a complete ban on vaccine exports, so countries do have power on the production of vaccines in their territory. The Moderna vaccine that is about to be delivered to UK comes from production plants in France, Switzerland and Spain. EU has exported around 80 million doses, US none, UK none. It has little to do to with the price paid and early contracts. Companies committed to make 'every effort' to honour the contracts although they knew all along they could never get anywhere close to the volumes they agreed to provide. In fact, now they are asking for permission to open new production plants and help from other pharma companies.

Canary
04-08-21, 10:11
I haven't had any human contact in a year, so I'm itching to break out.

Oase and Sharks are some of my favorites places, but they're not open yet, so they're out of the question.

Montreal would be my second choice but the border from the USA Is not yet open.

Friends tell me that Tijuana is open but dead.

So where would you go?

Rio? Cases are high in Brazil and Bolsonaro seems like a nut job.

Switzerland? I like the Globe FKK set-up but it's pretty pricey.

Ukraine? Colombia? United Kingdom?Count the UK out for now. Although infections / deaths are extremely low now coming into the country wouldn't be worth it.

Travel from "red" countries to the UK (USA is currently a red country) would involve a ten day quarantine plus paying over £1,700 for a government designated hotel to quarantine in.

However May 17th things will change. But to what extent we don't know other than there will be a few "green" countries which won't involve quarantine when arriving in the UK.

Sirioja
04-08-21, 10:21
I have to agree with Sirioja here. Here the Swiss government attempted to find a person without a hearing to determine the validity of the fine. Moreover, the owner of the car is not responsible if the owner of the car was not properly served with a violation and moreover it violates due process to punish a person who was not the person who committed the infraction. The underlying statute should be challenged as violating the Swiss constitution and hopefully it can be struck down and Switzerland forced to hold hearings and provide appeals prior to fining anyone. The confiscation of the radar detector also bring up a double jeopardy defense since confiscation amounts to a de facto fine at least the value of the radar detector and therefore to add an additional punishment basically is unlawful since the driver is punished twice for the same offense. Hopefully the Swiss constitution has a double jeopardy prohibition in it. Also they need to provide interpreters at all court hearings for people who don't speak the language of that canton.

Moreover if they are imprisoning a person they need to provide an appointed attorney free of charge.They just don't respect international laws, nor human rights, they don't let you call anybody, so you just disappear, nobody know what happened to you, your relatives or at work can think You are dead when You can t answer to messages, even they have no proof about your person, but their technique being to put pressure on You to make You pay and to try to find more to make you pay more, when of course they would have a problem with a lawyer, when they have no proof, to put in jail. But when You treat me like a criminal, then we can play, I'm used to pressure. Shameful robbers when only about few kilometers overspeed, only on autobahns and under 120, when I need to brake to drive so slowly, as told UK topgear show: driving in Switzerland lead to jail. My tip about Germany since 2020 , overspeed in towns or works zones can now be a bigger problem when more than 20 km / h overspeed, when overspeed on autobahns are not so big problem and don t lead to jail, even when 100 km / h overspeed. I just laugh when I know guys in Ferrari, Lamborghini, Mac Laren, they must block sequential gears box on first, in Switzerland, good game being to put on M1 to close to maximum engine limit, then to put S1 and kickdown, then running beyond quattro grip, even on full dry, even with super soft tires, others seeming stopped. Of course, 0 alcohol or drug for me, only adrenaline.

Pistons
04-08-21, 14:42
7 elderly fully vaccinated patients plus 5 fully vaccinated health personell at a home for the elderly in Norway now had positive covid tests on the Brazilian and SA covid mutations. 50/50 split It seems between the 2 mutations. The ridiculous part of the story is that everyone seems to blame it on the vaccines 'only' giving 90% or 95% immunity! Well, there are only 64 spots on the entire center plus workers!

As was to be expected.

So your vaccine is quite useless.

I was just looking at the mutation rates on John Hopkins website yesterday and it took only 11 months for a strain of covid to reach 34 mutations in the spike protein alone! That was a record mutating speed however. The average is only about 15 mutations on the spike in 12 months. But it is picking up pace in places like India and Africa now as well. Which will counteract the vaccination pace.

Also, as soon you get vaccinated people, the only thing that will happen is that virus strains not affected by the vaccine will take over fully. It will seem like it protects to some degree, but we are really just talking about different curves for different mutation strains.

Mursenary
04-08-21, 15:00
My real worry is we are entering into a vaccine subscription model like a new smartphone every year / car or operating system that will dictate participation in border crossings etc. The economic dislocation is bad enough.Of all of the things: social upheaval, financial unpredictability, mental health, sickness, death, permanent changes to social dynamics, etc, and the thing that most worries you is getting a jab every year?

Mursenary
04-08-21, 15:13
OK, so you have no sources, you just pulled something out of your back pocket.

BTW, I am not Swiss, if that is what you meant by "Swizz".Here's the kicker, Africa and India officially has a combined death count of 280 K. Even if you hypothetically are ridiculously generous and give him that those numbers are off my and entire magnitude of 10 x, resulting in 2.8 million hypothetical covid deaths (they're not) but let's just pretend. Let's say that got up to 5 million by the end of the year. That still barely makes a dent into reaching 30 million deaths by the end of 2021. There would literally have to be 10's of millions of unaccounted deaths in the western world for that to be remotely possible.

BigBuddy69
04-08-21, 15:15
You forgot to add, faster than Peter Sagan.And with a mountain bike cassette.

Rocky V
04-08-21, 15:53
7 elderly fully vaccinated patients plus 5 fully vaccinated health personell at a home for the elderly in Norway now had positive covid tests on the Brazilian and SA covid mutations. 50/50 split It seems between the 2 mutations. The ridiculous part of the story is that everyone seems to blame it on the vaccines 'only' giving 90% or 95% immunity! Well, there are only 64 spots on the entire center plus workers!

As was to be expected.

So your vaccine is quite useless.The vaccine is not a condom, vaccinated people can still come into contact with the virus but they don't develop the disease. So, they may as well test positive, but they will not develop the disease. When they say a vaccine is 90% effective, it does not mean that in the 10% of cases it doesn't even work. In that 10% of cases, people may experience some symptoms, if they come into contact with the virus, but not the serious disease that would require hospitalization.

PaulInZurich
04-08-21, 16:05
Human rights reports from two different organizations which you wouldn't expect that they coordinate.

Human rights reports from Amnesty International.

Switzerland: https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/switzerland/report-switzerland/.

France: https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/france/report-france/.

China: https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/china/report-china/.

Human rights report from US State Department.

Switzerland: https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/switzerland/.

France: https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/france/.

China: https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/china/.

Have a read and see if you can spot the differences.

While there are certainly some issues, anybody who is claiming that _any_ country in Western Europe is at the level of China is a troll or brain washed.

Missing in the reports about Switzerland is the section where they speak about random drivers being thrown in jail for no cause and "robbered".

BTW, the concept of jail time because of debt towards the state exists in France too. Look up "contrainte judiciare". https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006578220/2021-04-08 Granted, the French are less trigger happy, it seems to kick in at 2000 EUR and up.

Next time you try not paying your fines, try to get sent to the Frauenfeld prison on the way to Westside. Here is the case of a satisfied customer: https://www.frauenfelder-nachrichten.ch/frauenfeld-region/detail/article/rauchen-sogar-in-den-zellen-erlaubt-eine-woche-im-luxusknast-00138581/.

PaulInZurich
04-08-21, 16:07
And with a mountain bike cassette.Lucky that Shimano makes a 10-51 MTB casette https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/xtr-m9100/CS-M9100-12.html.

Pistons
04-08-21, 16:51
Of all of the things: social upheaval, financial unpredictability, mental health, sickness, death, permanent changes to social dynamics, etc, and the thing that most worries you is getting a jab every year?You really are a spawn of Satan are you?

3 words: Vaccine side effects!

Pistons
04-08-21, 16:55
Here's the kicker, Africa and India officially has a combined death count of 280 K. Even if you hypothetically are ridiculously generous and give him that those numbers are off my and entire magnitude of 10 x, resulting in 2.8 million hypothetical covid deaths (they're not) but let's just pretend. Let's say that got up to 5 million by the end of the year. That still barely makes a dent into reaching 30 million deaths by the end of 2021. There would literally have to be 10's of millions of unaccounted deaths in the western world for that to be remotely possible.1. I said sub-Saharan Africa. Not Africa.

2. South-Africa seems to count about a third. But other nations maybe just 1-3%. In Tanzania the president there still claims the entire covid thing is a hoax.

3. You forgot about India.

4. You make the assumption that deaths will suddenly fall in all the rest of the world.

5. Now we are at 2.9 million counted deaths. It goes up quite fast.

Pistons
04-08-21, 17:07
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

Enjoy the numbers. Ofcourse India and sub-saharan Africa except South Africa is not even counted here.

But take a look at Russia or Egypt for example.

It adds up quite fast!

Pistons
04-08-21, 17:24
At another home for the elderly in norway, even more people have gotten the covid virus, and one person just died.

They were all fully vaccinated.

Pistons
04-08-21, 17:25
South African version only. 10 people contaminated. Both workers and elderly.

Sirioja
04-08-21, 21:42
You are a bit late to the party. I provided earlier links to a case that was litigated right up to federal court in Switzerland and the underlying law.

Possession of radar detector is a separate offence from speeding, so no double jeopardy.

I don't believe that they didn't speak to him in French. Every Swiss learns at minimum 2 foreign languages starting with primary school. I don't believe in general what he is saying because so many of his posts on other topics that can be verified were all false. Like being stronger and fitter than professional athletes with a 5 million EUR salary.

I definitely believe there are issues with Swiss police, but this BS here is not one of them.

BTW, any Swiss can initiate a change of the federal constitution. Get 100 000 signatures to support the initiative and there will be a vote on it. Swiss constitution changes all the time.Are you telling here, Swiss administration write to French people in French? Which is international law, or ZH or Argau or Basel polizei speak French? When they are not even able to speak English. Where do you really live? Just go to Zurich police prison in city and speak to them in French to experience if they understand. With such practices, if you knew what kind of guy I am, I will never pay my Swiss fines, I prefer to fight with them, but now it will be more complicated for them with me. If you knew a bit about technique, you would know coyote is not detector, but GPS like waze, and professional racers climb Zoncolan or Mortirolo and pretty sure for Loze on 32 behind, not on 11 nor even 24, and they don't like to climb them, when I love for my holidays, every year. Will wait for you and fat bald French on your carbon climbing before you. I wish at least you were able to understand this is nothing about Swiss people, when had many Swiss friends since I was a child and a real sunshine girlfriend who lived in Neuchatel and spoke French.

Sirioja
04-08-21, 22:24
Why didn't you sue them after all that? There is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. Why did you keep going to Switzerland after that, after you "disappeared like if I was in China" ?

It's a story you tell to prostitutes to try to impress them. It's a fairy tale like The Emperor's New Clothes. Here is another thing you got wrong, they don't look at you with round eyes. Instead they roll their eyes, thinking how pathetic, here comes another one of those special people.

Why didn't you sue them after all that? There is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. Why did you keep going to Switzerland after that after you "disappeared like if I was in China" ?But, do Switzerland belong to EU or respect EU laws? When I just try to impress girls with my manners in bed, I didn't say my performances, but some WGs also experienced Swiss administration, some being scared. When I spent about 2 months per year, now I go only sometimes for brothels and one day for Verbier. I didn't even buy autobahn vignette on this year, saving 40 CHF.

Sirioja
04-08-21, 22:32
The nasty old UK got their act together & signed vaccine contracts early then paid a high rate for them. The EU in their typical bureaucratic way dithered, argued for a cheaper price and now are paying the consequences for a delayed supply. It's pathetic of you & others to blame the UK for the inadequacies of the EU machine.

As much as I greatly dislike Johnson's government and the Brexit fall out they did at least get something right in procuring the vaccine contracts quickly & efficiency as opposed to the EU.

So stop blaming the UK and start looking at Ursula von der Leyen and her cronies.

I want Europe to sort itself out so that I can enjoy the delights of FKK Clubs again!

And don't forget Countries don't make the vaccine & sell it but private companies do. It's up to the Countries to secure decent contracts with those Companies which makes it irrelevant whether the vaccine is made in the UK or EU.Nothing about UK people we welcome in France, but about politics when Johnson fucked EU, not sending back, when UK received a lot. But I m happy now less deaths in UK when European record with 126 000 . But this won't help for FKK reopening, when Bavarian who could be after Angela, think to buy sputnik, even not allowed by EU, when he closed border with cousin Tirol under UK mutant. Not sure he will rush to reopen brothels, even Saarland is starting to reopen a bit, but not brothels.

Mursenary
04-08-21, 22:40
The vaccine is not a condom, vaccinated people can still come into contact with the virus but they don't develop the disease. So, they may as well test positive, but they will not develop the disease. When they say a vaccine is 90% effective, it does not mean that in the 10% of cases it doesn't even work. In that 10% of cases, people may experience some symptoms, if they come into contact with the virus, but not the serious disease that would require hospitalization.How dare you bring up details and nuance as if they matter to him. The OP is only after one thing, to quench his thirst for validation after decades of being deprived of it by a world that keeps reminding him that he's a sorry human being incapable of normal human interaction.

BigBuddy69
04-08-21, 22:44
Lucky that Shimano makes a 10-51 MTB casette https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/xtr-m9100/CS-M9100-12.html.You can go the full mtb way and buy a crankset with a 20 teeth chainring. 20 x51, you can climb to trees.

BigBuddy69
04-08-21, 22:56
You really are a spawn of Satan are you?

3 words: Vaccine side effects!Which don't occur so frequently.

On the other hand, I just read that one third of the people who suffered from covid will have some psychological sequels.

Mursenary
04-09-21, 00:33
Are you telling here, Swiss administration write to French people in French? Which is international law, or ZH or Argau or Basel polizei speak French? When they are not even able to speak English. Where do you really live?

Will wait for you and fat bald French on your carbon climbing before you. I wish at least you were able to understand this is nothing about Swiss people, when had many Swiss friends since I was a child and a real sunshine girlfriend who lived in Neuchatel and spoke French.I received a traffic offense letter from Switzerland in 2016. It was sent to my address in America routed through the Swedish embassy in my city and written to me in English.

Mursenary
04-09-21, 00:39
Which don't occur so frequently.

On the other hand, I just read that one third of the people who suffered from covid will have some psychological sequels.But all of the sterile uterus's! Or is it Uteri? Oh hell, I'll just call them broken ovaries due to the nasty nasty vaccines. I find the post vomit quite funny. Like, is he replying to everyone individually or is it a stream of forgetfulness in reply to the same person? Is it rage posting? Are the French still Catholic?

PaulInZurich
04-09-21, 04:05
But, do Switzerland belong to EU or respect EU laws? I am sure that as always you wrote this reply after you first informed yourself.

I am a simple person, I don't know all of this by heart, so first I informed myself before responding.

The European Court for Human Rights is the international court of the Council of Europe which interprets the European Convention of Human Rights. Here are the 47 member countries of the Council of Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Council_of_Europe. It applies to all parties signatories of the European Convention of Human Rights. Applications can be lodged by individuals, working languages are English and French.

While not in the human rights context, yes Switzerland has adopted some EU law. As part of bilateral treaties certain aspects of EU law are adopted in Switzerland primarily to participate in the EU single market.

PaulInZurich
04-09-21, 04:24
I wish at least you were able to understand this is nothing about Swiss people, when had many Swiss friends since I was a child..Oh, this has nothing to do with somebody writing _facts_ about Switzerland, Swiss people or Swiss police. I mentioned it before, I am not Swiss. Could discuss plenty of negative issues with an informed person.

This is about writing fairy tales with no backing in reality. When story 1 is BS, then story 2 turns out is BS, I tend not to believe story 3 from the same person.

PaulInZurich
04-09-21, 05:34
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

Enjoy the numbers. Ofcourse India and sub-saharan Africa except South Africa is not even counted here.

But take a look at Russia or Egypt for example.

It adds up quite fast!Interesting.

68 countries reported for different time periods, which makes it a bit more difficult.

For these countries reported Covid deaths 1.69 m, excess mortality 2.77 m. Based on this data arguably overall 60% more covid deaths than reported.

Unfortunately no data on countries with very large populations (China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh) which could have the biggest impact on total number of deaths by the end of the year (they have about 46% of world population).

BigBuddy69
04-09-21, 06:00
In Tanzania the president there still claims the entire covid thing is a hoax.
Just like the anti vaxxers last year at the beginning of the pandemic.

I don't get your point. Now you're telling that there is a tremendous amount of deaths due to covid but you're against the vaccine.

What's your proposal? You want to send some vit D to Africa? To my knowledge they have some sun over there.

Downandup
04-09-21, 07:35
Nothing about UK people we welcome in France, but about politics when Johnson fucked EU, not sending back, when UK received a lot. But I m happy now less deaths in UK when European record with 126 000 . But this won't help for FKK reopening, when Bavarian who could be after Angela, think to buy sputnik, even not allowed by EU, when he closed border with cousin Tirol under UK mutant. Not sure he will rush to reopen brothels, even Saarland is starting to reopen a bit, but not brothels.You need to get the facts straight. These are not UK or EU vaccines but vaccines made by pharmaceutical companies. The UK was out there first to sign contracts for the vaccines and also funded research and new manufacturing facilities in the UK and EU while the EU sat on it's ass taking 3 - 6 months longer to make their first order. There's even factories in the EU funded by British money to make these vaccines, one in the Netherlands was set up by AZ with British money when Rutte refused to help. Now that these vaccines are being produced they are being delivered to customers on a first come first served basis. The EU is trying to jump the queue to get get vaccines that they will be forced to stockpile as they have dented confidence amongst the population.

BigBuddy69
04-09-21, 08:10
LOL, please do tell about your hard training. Was it RTI training with Commando Jaubert? De Montfort? CPA 10 ? DGSE?Better than that. Prostitute stalking. Hours spent wandering aimlessly like a zombie in a sex club and looking at everyone in a very creepy way.

Pistons
04-09-21, 09:23
Which don't occur so frequently.

On the other hand, I just read that one third of the people who suffered from covid will have some psychological sequels.10% get blood clotting in one form or another.

Plus plus several other types of side effects.

ExpatLover
04-09-21, 12:00
You need to get the facts straight. These are not UK or EU vaccines but vaccines made by pharmaceutical companies. The UK was out there first to sign contracts for the vaccines and also funded research and new manufacturing facilities in the UK and EU while the EU sat on it's ass taking 3 - 6 months longer to make their first order. There's even factories in the EU funded by British money to make these vaccines, one in the Netherlands was set up by AZ with British money when Rutte refused to help. Now that these vaccines are being produced they are being delivered to customers on a first come first served basis. The EU is trying to jump the queue to get get vaccines that they will be forced to stockpile as they have dented confidence amongst the population.If in 5 years there is new medical scandal about the covid vaccine we will all be happy that UK took the priority. I just want to say again that never vaccine were developed in such a short time and under such a political pressure and it was impossible to test all the potential interactions with other medicine. For example I will never take the AZ. Yesterday the highest European court stated that being vaccined is a democratic obligation, what a shame but what about the illegal migrants entering Europe and fulling the jails in the next 10 years.

Sirioja
04-09-21, 12:53
I received a traffic offense letter from Switzerland in 2016. It was sent to my address in America routed through the Swedish embassy in my city and written to me in English.When I used to go through small Switzerland which is between Germany and France, between Basel and Geneva or la Forclaz Wallis, weekly, I received not 1 but many letters, always written in German for German part, so no value according to justice, when my country don't speak in German. Swiss polizei are also not able to speak French in German part and nor in English, but they are very able to lie, abusing, not respecting human rights, reason why they don't let you call, when they would have problems in front of a lawyer, but they try to get as much money they can. WGs in brothels are more honest than Swiss administration. When You are arrested in US, they didn't even in Florida when I was caught for quite important overspeed, more than 90 miles on motorway, when I was never caught in Switzerland but only flashed as a snail under 120, don't they let you call somebody or give you a lawyer? And checking you understood situation, when they don't in Switzerland, at least in ZH, Argau and Basel, they just want you pay, ready for anything for money, and even more than prostitutes.

BigBuddy69
04-09-21, 16:08
10% get blood clotting in one form or another.

Plus plus several other types of side effects.Problem is, once again you're fabricating the figures. Or maybe it's coming from your secret network of enlightened solarium sellers.

Or maybe you are once again playing on words.

Because according to hematology. Org.


Blood clotting, or coagulation, is an important process that prevents excessive bleeding when a blood vessel is injuredIn this case, I hope that 100 % of the vaccinated get blood clotting!

PaulInZurich
04-09-21, 16:22
This human rights BS is getting boring, maybe write again about when you counted used condoms in the trash of prostitutes.

PaulInZurich
04-09-21, 16:39
Swiss polizei are also not able to speak French in German part and nor in English Facts versus fiction.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/curriculum-vote_which-languages-will-zurich-s-young-schoolchildren-learn/43136942

PaulInZurich
04-09-21, 16:41
Problem is, once again you're fabricating the figures And when he finds numbers, they don't support his arguments.

ExpatLover
04-09-21, 16:51
When I used to go through small Switzerland which is between Germany and France, between Basel and Geneva or la Forclaz Wallis, weekly, I received not 1 but many letters, always written in German for German part, so no value according to justice, when my country don't speak in German. Swiss polizei are also not able to speak French in German part and nor in English, but they are very able to lie, abusing, not respecting human rights, reason why they don't let you call, when they would have problems in front of a lawyer, but they try to get as much money they can. WGs in brothels are more honest than Swiss administration. When You are arrested in US, they didn't even in Florida when I was caught for quite important overspeed, more than 90 miles on motorway, when I was never caught in Switzerland but only flashed as a snail under 120, don't they let you call somebody or give you a lawyer? And checking you understood situation, when they don't in Switzerland, at least in ZH, Argau and Basel, they just want you pay, ready for anything for money, and even more than prostitutes.I drove millions of kilometers in many countries including Switzerland (I lived there 5 years) USA, and China. Never had any problems with police, never got any fine I just respect the speed limits, advice you to do the same for sure you will have no problem. But may be you consider yourself as a better driver and that you don t need to respect the laws therefore you have to pay for it. How can a policeman respect a guy in the 50+ who still hasn't understand that the road is not a racing place and that everyone has to respect the speed limit. May be you should speak with your psychiatric why you always want to be better than the others, better fucker, better driver, better sportsman. Are you not tired by all this?

Mursenary
04-09-21, 17:35
When I used to go through small Switzerland which is between Germany and France, between Basel and Geneva or la Forclaz Wallis, weekly, I received not 1 but many letters, always written in German for German part, so no value according to justice, when my country don't speak in German. Swiss polizei are also not able to speak French in German part and nor in English, but they are very able to lie, abusing, not respecting human rights, reason why they don't let you call, when they would have problems in front of a lawyer, but they try to get as much money they can. WGs in brothels are more honest than Swiss administration. When You are arrested in US, they didn't even in Florida when I was caught for quite important overspeed, more than 90 miles on motorway, when I was never caught in Switzerland but only flashed as a snail under 120, don't they let you call somebody or give you a lawyer? And checking you understood situation, when they don't in Switzerland, at least in ZH, Argau and Basel, they just want you pay, ready for anything for money, and even more than prostitutes.Ah, so the Swiss previously sent you many letters. I assume for speeding.

Question is, did you pay them prior to being arrested?

Mursenary
04-09-21, 18:28
Interesting.

68 countries reported for different time periods, which makes it a bit more difficult.

For these countries reported Covid deaths 1.69 m, excess mortality 2.77 m. Based on this data arguably overall 60% more covid deaths than reported.

Unfortunately no data on countries with very large populations (China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh) which could have the biggest impact on total number of deaths by the end of the year (they have about 46% of world population).https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604v1.full.pdf

Also supported by the data that The World Mortality Dataset uses to calculate COVID19's all-cause excess mortality.

That's about the world average, 1.6 x excess deaths of all causes. Claiming an average of 3 x-5 x COVID specific deaths for the entire world is obviously ludicrous when the the worst numbers we have are that high in only the most clandestine and third world nations. If official counts by the end of 2021 end up at 5 million, 10 million actual COVID deaths may be somewhat believable. 30 million from 5 million is absurd and is only believable to the person with a egotistical interest in being right about something, anything. Celebrating some predictive victory with incomplete data is right on par with prior conspiracy theorist tendencies. Proof and expertise do not matter to those guys. They apparently know everything and everything mainstream if bullshit.

Anyway, here's some very crude and very preliminary data for some countries missing in the infographic:

Jakarta, Indonesia estimates about 61% excess deaths:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.14.20248159v1.full.pdf

Mumbai, India only reports about a 20% excess.

Kerala, India reports negative excess deaths compared to previous years, although the accuracy is questionable.

https://www.indiaspend.com/covid-19/mortality-data-kerala-mumbai-too-soon-to-say-india-covid19-less-deadly-second-wave-737270

One study in Bangladesh estimates about 50% of COVID deaths are unreported.

https://www.ajtmh.org/view/journals/tpmd/104/2/article-p546.xml

Are the French still mostly Catholic?

Mursenary
04-09-21, 18:43
Problem is, once again you're fabricating the figures. Or maybe it's coming from your secret network of enlightened solarium sellers.

Or maybe you are once again playing on words.

Because according to hematology. Org.

In this case, I hope that 100 % of the vaccinated get blood clotting!Right-O. Blood clotting always happens in response to stressors on the body. Every time you get sick, your body will produce more relatively benign blood clots because microvascular lesions occur due to normal immune response. Obviously, any vaccinations would cause an uptick in these blood clots much like any infection would. That's the point of getting vaccinations, a practice run for the immune system.

The question of importance is, are there significant enough serious blood clots that show a morbidity higher than baseline where the risk-rewards of vaccination negates their usefulness?

For the recent AZ controversies, if there will be any contraindications, they seem to only be linked to women who take birth control because birth control already causes an increase in risk of deep vein thrombosis (significant blood clots). Their combined effects may cause public officials to advise women taking birth control to hold off on AZ vaccination.

Also, are the French still mostly Catholic?

Sirioja
04-09-21, 21:49
You need to get the facts straight. These are not UK or EU vaccines but vaccines made by pharmaceutical companies. The UK was out there first to sign contracts for the vaccines and also funded research and new manufacturing facilities in the UK and EU while the EU sat on it's ass taking 3 - 6 months longer to make their first order. There's even factories in the EU funded by British money to make these vaccines, one in the Netherlands was set up by AZ with British money when Rutte refused to help. Now that these vaccines are being produced they are being delivered to customers on a first come first served basis. The EU is trying to jump the queue to get get vaccines that they will be forced to stockpile as they have dented confidence amongst the population.EU sent 21 millions vaccine to UK, when UK, US, sent 0. I just wish EU will protect better their citizens, keeping produced vaccine for them. AZ with half French boss, is getting more and more restricted in EU, second dose being with other vaccine. 70% French don't want AZ, when 60% Russians don't want sputnik. Wish heat to come will help EU. Then Austria, Switzerland and Spain should reopen for brothels.

Sirioja
04-09-21, 22:06
Ah, so the Swiss previously sent you many letters. I assume for speeding.

Question is, did you pay them prior to being arrested?All written in German I don't speak, nor understand, when they must write me or speak to me in French, according to international laws, to make sure I understood, so no value, same like ones from Germany but they don't put in jail there, so I don't pay and will never pay for Switzerland, even if I was caught when I was never, I prefer they try again to put me in jail, I refuse to pay robbers and I m super trained to pressure, even very fit, but I can stay for so many deaths without eating, they will send me again a doctor, like they did, when they could let me in room with no window. When you treat me like a criminal, then I play and learned tips from Albanians. One tip from a Swiss is after few years, fines are erased, so just have to resist to pressure, not to pay robbers.

Sirioja
04-09-21, 22:50
I drove millions of kilometers in many countries including Switzerland (I lived there 5 years) USA, and China. Never had any problems with police, never got any fine I just respect the speed limits, advice you to do the same for sure you will have no problem. But may be you consider yourself as a better driver and that you don t need to respect the laws therefore you have to pay for it. How can a policeman respect a guy in the 50+ who still hasn't understand that the road is not a racing place and that everyone has to respect the speed limit. May be you should speak with your psychiatric why you always want to be better than the others, better fucker, better driver, better sportsman. Are you not tired by all this?Millions of kilometers? When I drive close to 100 000 kms per year since a bit more than 15 years, I don't know many driving so much, and I didn't drive 2 millions yet since I started, but you seem to be a better driver than me, when driving in Switzerland is a stressful nightmare for me, when I really try to do my best not to feel asleep among snails, when about 20 radars between Basel and Geneva, on less than 300 kms, when any car you give me, I adapt to control and then I'm used to go full speed to grip limit, my car culture. Unfortunately, Switzerland in between Germany and my beloved French Alps. When too many works zones in Germany, but real pleasure to drive in Italy where they have car culture. On my first US visit, in Miami, I rent a car to visit keys and to go to Orlando, but even they didn't put me in jail, but never rent again, impossible for me to drive there, turned around San Francisco on bicycle, police closed crossroads to let me climb California, walked and back Vegas strip, walked through Salt Lake, a lot in Utah, Arizona, Colorado. Driving to limit relax me, I'm so quiet then, even recovering, I remember leaving Paris traffic being exhausted, speeding to Germany, staying in club until 4/5 am and working in car after, not needing to sleep, I recovered speeding, returning to club at 10/11 am, just easy. Never crashed anybody on so many kilometers faster than 200, when this is nothing for sensations compare to going downhill on narrow tires bicycle at 70 km / h, or skiing at 100 . Just matter of being used to speed and to know how to kick in brakes.

Pistons
04-09-21, 22:56
Just go ahead and take the vaccines! Enjoy! Just take the risk. After all, we all choose what to believe in.

My numbers checks out quite well by the way. And I have plenty of sources. I even posted some that got censored. Unfortunately one was behind a pay wall.

You also forgot the study I linked where the MMR vaccine was linked to the same increase in blood clotting. And a kindergarten level of googling would find you thousands of sources regarding the link between corona vaccines and side effects. Especially blood clotting. Which even the European agency now officially agrees now. They just keep lying about the numbers for political reasons.

Good luck!

Pistons
04-10-21, 02:12
This guy is mirroring what I have been saying ever since the pandemic started: (on Sky Australia).

https://youtu.be/-gZGQM0dtsQ

Maybe the sheep's here on ISG will understand better when it is aired on national TV.

Palcon
04-10-21, 02:20
Problem is, once again you're fabricating the figures. Or maybe it's coming from your secret network of enlightened solarium sellers.

Or maybe you are once again playing on words.

Because according to hematology. Org.

In this case, I hope that 100 % of the vaccinated get blood clotting!You should leave the expert alone. These highly qualified RO medical professionals back him all the way. Some of them may or may not exist or may have bribed their way through medical school but they're incorruptible health care professionals.

https://www.incorectpolitic.com/pompiliu-diplan-in-dialog-cu-dr-adrian-cacovean-despre-vaccin-e-o-manipulare-genetica-experimentala/

https://www.incorectpolitic.com/un-grup-de-medici-din-romania-cer-incetarea-terorizarii-populatiei-si-revenirea-la-normalitate-incetati-starea-de-teroare/

The vaccines are a genetic experiment and the state is just terrorizing its people. Just ignore the fact that the website screams conspiracy theories and most of the list consists of ophthalmologist, plastic surgeon, pharmacist and more than half are dentists.

Mursenary
04-10-21, 03:11
All written in German I don't speak, nor understand, when they must write me or speak to me in French, according to international laws, to make sure I understood, so no value, same like ones from Germany but they don't put in jail there, so I don't pay and will never pay for Switzerland, even if I was caught when I was never, I prefer they try again to put me in jail, I refuse to pay robbers and I m super trained to pressure, even very fit, but I can stay for so many deaths without eating, they will send me again a doctor, like they did, when they could let me in room with no window. When you treat me like a criminal, then I play and learned tips from Albanians. One tip from a Swiss is after few years, fines are erased, so just have to resist to pressure, not to pay robbers.So the situation is that at some point, you were flashed speeding in Switzerland and were notified of the tickets in letters written in German.

You knew that citations must be written in your language. Yet, you also knew that the Swiss administration had your information and were looking to receive payment.

Yet, as a grown adult man, decided to drive back into Switzerland in the same car with the same license plate. At which point, you were found by the Swiss police and subsequently arrested.

To which you are now extremely angry. Does that sound normal to you?

ExpatLover
04-10-21, 04:49
Millions of kilometers? When I drive close to 100 000 kms per year since a bit more than 15 years, I don't know many driving so much, and I didn't drive 2 millions yet since I started, but you seem to be a better driver than me, when driving in Switzerland is a stressful nightmare for me, when I really try to do my best not to feel asleep among snails, when about 20 radars between Basel and Geneva, on less than 300 kms, when any car you give me, I adapt to control and then I'm used to go full speed to grip limit, my car culture. Unfortunately, Switzerland in between Germany and my beloved French Alps. When too many works zones in Germany, but real pleasure to drive in Italy where they have car culture. On my first US visit, in Miami, I rent a car to visit keys and to go to Orlando, but even they didn't put me in jail, but never rent again, impossible for me to drive there, turned around San Francisco on bicycle, police closed crossroads to let me climb California, walked and back Vegas strip, walked through Salt Lake, a lot in Utah, Arizona, Colorado. Driving to limit relax me, I'm so quiet then, even recovering, I remember leaving Paris traffic being exhausted, speeding to Germany, staying in club until 4/5 am and working in car after, not needing to sleep, I recovered speeding, returning to club at 10/11 am, just easy. Never crashed anybody on so many kilometers faster than 200, when this is nothing for sensations compare to going downhill on narrow tires bicycle at 70 km / h, or skiing at 100 . Just matter of being used to speed and to know how to kick in brakes.I know very well and a lot of the tunnels in Switzerland with 80 speed limit, I don t believe there is a link between falling asleep and speed or you need adrenaline to stay awake which means may be that you have cross your own physical limits.

ExpatLover
04-10-21, 04:58
Just go ahead and take the vaccines! Enjoy! Just take the risk. After all, we all choose what to believe in.

My numbers checks out quite well by the way. And I have plenty of sources. I even posted some that got censored. Unfortunately one was behind a pay wall.

You also forgot the study I linked where the MMR vaccine was linked to the same increase in blood clotting. And a kindergarten level of googling would find you thousands of sources regarding the link between corona vaccines and side effects. Especially blood clotting. Which even the European agency now officially agrees now. They just keep lying about the numbers for political reasons.

Good luck!May be you are aware that today the European commission starts to negotiate up to 1. 8 billions upgrade shots (for 2022 and 2023) of covid vaccine which should be able to protect against the new variants, so they are aware about the poor efficiency of the today vaccines on the long run. You told us to get vaccine but that means we will have to vaccine again in 2022 but I don t believe that it is serious to vaccinate the whole population every year. I wrote several times the covid vaccines are as efficient as the normal flue vaccines probably around 50% with a need to vaccine every year.

PaulInZurich
04-10-21, 06:57
...and I m super trained to pressure, even very fit, but I can stay for so many deaths without eating, they will send me again a doctor, like they did, when they could let me in room with no window. When you treat me like a criminal, then I play and learned tips from Albanians...So ridiculous, but keep it going. Please do tell about your "super training to pressure". I am not sure what "stay for so many deaths without eating" means, it must have been heroic to not eat the yoghurt you were offered.

PaulInZurich
04-10-21, 07:32
Driving to limit relax me, I'm so quiet then, even recovering, I remember leaving Paris traffic being exhausted, speeding to Germany, staying in club until 4/5 am and working in car after, not needing to sleep, I recovered speeding, returning to club at 10/11 am, just easy. Never crashed anybody on so many kilometers faster than 200, when this is nothing for sensations compare to going downhill on narrow tires bicycle at 70 km / h, or skiing at 100 . Just matter of being used to speed and to know how to kick in brakes.If true this is clearly irresponsible behaviour. There is a reason _professional_ drivers have limits on minimal hours of rest before they are allowed to drive, one of those EU regulations. These guys are professional drivers, they get paid to drive.

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/road/social_provisions/driving_time_en

How come that driving to limit relaxes you when for example Formula 1 drivers are exhausted when they finish a race? Are you better than them?

Pistons
04-10-21, 09:27
1. Kerala's Healthcare system is 1st world. Bringing up Kerala is remarkably stupid by someone who even mentions cherry picking numbers.

2. 60% excess deaths rates across the world is is only believable if one is a sheep who only reads headlines and never deep dives into the numbers. Firstly, the number is based mainly off of advanced nations. Secondly, it doesn't take into account the rapid fall of deaths related to other causes.

3. We are still far away from the end of 2021.

Pistons
04-10-21, 09:32
Yeah let's play a game of finding a source. Then we claim the source material is equal to what someone else claims. And because the source seems to have a dubious history, this other poster must then also have a dubious history.

Palcon cannot fly. A rock cannot fly. Ergo Palcon is a rock. A rock has no brain. Ergo Palcon has no brain.

PaulInZurich
04-10-21, 10:20
You should leave the expert alone. These highly qualified RO medical professionals back him all the way. Some of them may or may not exist or may have bribed their way through medical school but they're incorruptible health care professionals.

https://www.incorectpolitic.com/pompiliu-diplan-in-dialog-cu-dr-adrian-cacovean-despre-vaccin-e-o-manipulare-genetica-experimentala/

https://www.incorectpolitic.com/un-grup-de-medici-din-romania-cer-incetarea-terorizarii-populatiei-si-revenirea-la-normalitate-incetati-starea-de-teroare/.Clearly a reliable source of information.

Sirioja
04-10-21, 10:48
Facts versus fiction.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/curriculum-vote_which-languages-will-zurich-s-young-schoolchildren-learn/43136942Just go to Zurich police prison desk, this is in city, or to Meylin prison in suburb, or in any Swiss administration desk in Turgau, ZH, AG, Basel, and test yourself on the field, leaving your heater, speaking to them in French, to see if they answer and give you information in French. Of course they would in Neuchatel, Lausanne, Montreux, Martigny and Geneva. Switzerland is my garden I know a bit and many Swiss from Wallis, SZ and ZH. They must write me in French, but they never did, so I don t understand and they don t respect international laws, why they don't let you call, because a lawyer would easily fuck their abuse. Same techniques like in China or Russia, you disappear, you can be dead for your relatives or job. At least, if one day I want to disappear, I know where to go, no need to go to try to compete with Putin.

PaulInZurich
04-10-21, 16:18
Just go ahead and take the vaccines! Enjoy! Just take the risk. After all, we all choose what to believe in.

My numbers checks out quite well by the way. And I have plenty of sources. I even posted some that got censored. Unfortunately one was behind a pay wall.

You also forgot the study I linked where the MMR vaccine was linked to the same increase in blood clotting. And a kindergarten level of googling would find you thousands of sources regarding the link between corona vaccines and side effects. Especially blood clotting. Which even the European agency now officially agrees now. They just keep lying about the numbers for political reasons.

Good luck!Maybe some perspective is needed.

About 740 million doses vaccinated worldwide. When does the transformation to zombies start? When we hit 1 billion?

Women have a higher risk of thrombosis from taking the pill than from covid vaccines.

PaulInZurich
04-10-21, 17:42
2. 60% excess deaths rates across the world is is only believable if one is a sheep who only reads headlines and never deep dives into the numbers. It was your own source. Have you actually read it?

Pistons
04-10-21, 17:54
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article

As I have noted here before, Over 8%, and probably as many as 10% are getting different types of thrombosis from the AZ vaccine. Most likely also from all the other covid vaccines but at a lower level.

We are not talking normal thrombosis as the wannabe doctors here on ISG have spewed out. But they are as usual clueless. This is exactly like I stated here before when the nurse tried to object and be clueless (like always). It is the T-cells attaching to the blood platelets.

It is essentially a vaccine against your own blood platelets.

1. Causing thrombosis (blood clots).

2. Reducing the number of blood plates. And then also your immune system.

3. The vaccine itself itself is useless against covid by the time people have received it. Because by then, covid has mutated away from the programmed T-cells in the vaccine.

PaulInZurich
04-10-21, 18:08
Just go to Zurich police prison desk, this is in city, or to Meylin prison in suburb, or in any Swiss administration desk in Turgau, ZH, AG, Basel, and test yourself on the field, leaving your heater, speaking to them in French, to see if they answer and give you information in French. Of course they would in Neuchatel, Lausanne, Montreux, Martigny and Geneva. Switzerland is my garden I know a bit and many Swiss from Wallis, SZ and ZH. They must write me in French, but they never did, so I don t understand and they don t respect international laws, why they don't let you call, because a lawyer would easily fuck their abuse. Same techniques like in China or Russia, you disappear, you can be dead for your relatives or job. At least, if one day I want to disappear, I know where to go, no need to go to try to compete with Putin.Yet you still went to Switzerland many times after that until they closed the clubs in 2020. That would be the logical thing to do if what you say would be true.

PaulInZurich
04-10-21, 18:19
Just go to Zurich police prison desk, this is in city, or to Meylin prison in suburb, or in any Swiss administration desk in Turgau, ZH, AG, Basel, and test yourself on the field, leaving your heater, speaking to them in French, to see if they answer and give you information in French. Of course they would in Neuchatel, Lausanne, Montreux, Martigny and Geneva. Switzerland is my garden I know a bit and many Swiss from Wallis, SZ and ZH. They must write me in French, but they never did, so I don t understand and they don t respect international laws, why they don't let you call, because a lawyer would easily fuck their abuse. Same techniques like in China or Russia, you disappear, you can be dead for your relatives or job. At least, if one day I want to disappear, I know where to go, no need to go to try to compete with Putin.I know plenty of Brits, Americans, Australians living in Switzerland, who don't speak anything else than English and yet never had any language problems when they had to deal with the police for speeding tickets or any other authorities, like foreigner registration, car registration, getting married, getting building permits etc.

Palcon
04-10-21, 18:35
Yeah let's play a game of finding a source. Then we claim the source material is equal to what someone else claims. And because the source seems to have a dubious history, this other poster must then also have a dubious history.

Palcon cannot fly. A rock cannot fly. Ergo Palcon is a rock. A rock has no brain. Ergo Palcon has no brain.Ignorance is an amazing thing. That internet thing seems to make everyone an expert. How about you go live life and talk to some people with real experience. Keep on going baby troll.

Pistons
04-10-21, 18:35
Here you can see how long the anti-blood plate T-cells (white blood cells) stays in your system after vaccination:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/figure/10.1080/21645515.2020.1735861?scroll=top&needAccess=true

Unfortunately the figures and data ends at 22 and 23 years (male and female). So we don't know we loose all the antibodies after about 25 years, or if some persists longer. Still it beats getting covid an becoming very sick for a month and perhaps having side effects for 2-3 months before you get healthy again and have natural resistance. 25 years is a hell of a lot of time!

Additional jabs also shows that 67% of the test subjects showed additional increases in anti-blood-plate T-cells.

I expect the data for the covid vaccines to perhaps be even worse than they are for MMR. And in the case of MMR the real data is also mainly being hidden due to political reasons and because only maybe one in a million is ever being tested pre and post vaccination.

Pistons
04-10-21, 18:36
It was your own source. Have you actually read it?My response was toward the comment of the nurse. He seemed to allude to some other source had read.

Pistons
04-10-21, 18:37
It was your own source. Have you actually read it?And my source clearly shows a far higher death ratio from covid if you analyze the numbers. As I already mentioned.

BigBuddy69
04-10-21, 20:19
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article

As I have noted here before, Over 8%, and probably as many as 10% are getting different types of thrombosis from the AZ vaccine. Most likely also from all the other covid vaccines but at a lower level.As usual, the article you're quoting doesn't support your claim at all.

Rocky V
04-10-21, 20:20
Here you can see how long the anti-blood plate T-cells (white blood cells) stays in your system after vaccination:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/figure/10.1080/21645515.2020.1735861?scroll=top&needAccess=true

Unfortunately the figures and data ends at 22 and 23 years (male and female). So we don't know we loose all the antibodies after about 25 years, or if some persists longer. Still it beats getting covid an becoming very sick for a month and perhaps having side effects for 2-3 months before you get healthy again and have natural resistance. 25 years is a hell of a lot of time!

Additional jabs also shows that 67% of the test subjects showed additional increases in anti-blood-plate T-cells.

I expect the data for the covid vaccines to perhaps be even worse than they are for MMR. And in the case of MMR the real data is also mainly being hidden due to political reasons and because only maybe one in a million is ever being tested pre and post vaccination.WOW, so you are now complaining that vaccination may confer protection from viruses for too many years? Are you really saying that? You are trying to flip an objective benefit of the vaccines into a flaw? What kind of stuff are you on, mate?

BigBuddy69
04-10-21, 22:12
I know plenty of Brits, Americans, Australians living in Switzerland, who don't speak anything else than English and yet never had any language problems when they had to deal with the police for speeding tickets or any other authorities, like foreigner registration, car registration, getting married, getting building permits etc.Yes but they speak common English, not some kind of Dwarven dialect.

Pistons
04-11-21, 03:36
WOW, so you are now complaining that vaccination may confer protection from viruses for too many years? Are you really saying that? You are trying to flip an objective benefit of the vaccines into a flaw? What kind of stuff are you on, mate?There was supposed to be a 'not' in there.

'Done not beat'.

Sorry for the typo. As I am not allowed to edit my posts, this happens.

Pistons
04-11-21, 03:38
As usual, the article you're quoting doesn't support your claim at all.It was additional info. I sent you the article regarding the 8% in a pm. Will see if I can make screenshots later. Lame paywall.

Mursenary
04-11-21, 03:44
Yet you still went to Switzerland many times after that until they closed the clubs in 2020. That would be the logical thing to do if what you say would be true.Imagine if you know that you have a criminal offense charged against you in a particular country. They have your license plate number, the color, make, and model of your car, and they have your identity. Regardless of the language of the correspondences, you know the basic reality that you have an unresolved legal matter pending in a foreign country, presumably, likely a warrant for your detainment because you made no attempts to respond to their communications with you.

Somehow, knowing this, you think that it makes sense to subsequently drive into that country in the same exact car, while likely speeding on their highways, bringing further attention to yourself.

How does any responsible, sane, adult human standing in the face of this scenario, make that set of decisions.

Mursenary
04-11-21, 04:41
Guys guys, just like the Shoo before him, I think he actually gets off on this internet bukkake. Roasting his absurd notions gets him wet. Every time you quote him, he licks his dick sucking lips, slurping up the Jizz you just sprayed on his face.


As usual, the article you're quoting doesn't support your claim at all.In college I was an undergraduate assistant for one year. I remember grading various underclassmen assignments that required citing sources. It was often very obvious which students didn't read the actual source but merely cited the work after reading either just the title, or only the abstract at best. His post triggers that same vibe.


WOW, so you are now complaining that vaccination may confer protection from viruses for too many years? Are you really saying that? You are trying to flip an objective benefit of the vaccines into a flaw? What kind of stuff are you on, mate?Rocky, aren't you a life sciences guy? Or a hard science of some sort? At least I remember you speaking knowledgeably about those topics.

Do you also notice the absurd amount of erroneous statements in these posts? Has it also become apparent to you that he does not know the basic concepts of immunology? I'm not so certain that he knows what a T-Cell actually does. It's also clear that he does not know what a blood clot is or how it is formed. So he thinks that when T-cells bind to platelets, promotion of a clot begins?

Am I right? Is he saying what I think he's saying? Perhaps his T-cell platelets theory causes the exact opposite effect of what he is suggesting. As in, T cells bind platelet, inadequate platelet function leads to bleeds. This is the exact opposite of blood clots.

PaulInZurich
04-11-21, 05:58
And my source clearly shows a far higher death ratio from covid if you analyze the numbers. As I already mentioned.So currently there are 2.9 million reported covid deaths, your data source says excess mortality is 60 % higher, and you say that the real number of deaths right now is 10 - 15 million. Interesting.

PaulInZurich
04-11-21, 06:18
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article

As I have noted here before, Over 8%, and probably as many as 10% are getting different types of thrombosis from the AZ vaccine. Most likely also from all the other covid vaccines but at a lower level.
Please show me how you read and understood that article. Where exactly in that article it says that 8% or higher of people who get AZ vaccine get thrombosis.

PaulInZurich
04-11-21, 06:21
WOW, so you are now complaining that vaccination may confer protection from viruses for too many years? Are you really saying that? You are trying to flip an objective benefit of the vaccines into a flaw? What kind of stuff are you on, mate?MMR vaccines give long term protection, yada yada yada, covid vaccines are bad. Wait, what?

PaulInZurich
04-11-21, 06:56
Yes but they speak common English, not some kind of Dwarven dialect.Plus they behave like rational human beings.

Sirioja
04-11-21, 12:09
Yet you still went to Switzerland many times after that until they closed the clubs in 2020. That would be the logical thing to do if what you say would be true.I already wrote: before, a lot of time and money spent in wonderful Wallis with 30 higher than 4000 meters peaks around Saas Fe if You know, enjoying to eat chamois, but now, even I will return to Verbier for my extreme spots, not more spent than skipass from 11 am, enough time, running all my spots for 6 hours, then returning to France very close, or going to brothels. Not more worthing than for pit stop on brothels now, on transit, this is Switzerland now for me. Administration treated me like a criminal, they created a criminal who don t pay robbers who don t respect international laws.

HammerTime96
04-11-21, 12:35
"South African variant can 'break through' Pfizer vaccine: Study".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/11/s-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-study-says

What a 'coincidence' that those South African, UK and Brazilian strains are so potent?

This is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche said: vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is suicidal and causing more aggressive mutations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8PlB4yQ4k

South Africa, the UK and Brazil is where most pharmaceutical companies did their vaccine "testing;.

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trials/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/world/africa/south-africa-vaccine-virus.html

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/covid-19-vaccine-challenges-running-trial-middle-pandemic

Oh yes, more problems for the AstraZeneca "vaccine:

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-astrazeneca-vaccine-trial-on-children-halted/a-57115365

"Netherlands temporarily halts AstraZeneca COVID vaccinations".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/3/dutch-temporarily-halt-astrazeneca-vaccinations

Probably all "conspiracy theories," right Nursenary-BigBuddy69-PaulInZurich? / sarc.

Sirioja
04-11-21, 12:37
I know plenty of Brits, Americans, Australians living in Switzerland, who don't speak anything else than English and yet never had any language problems when they had to deal with the police for speeding tickets or any other authorities, like foreigner registration, car registration, getting married, getting building permits etc.You don't seem to know much, when those working in polizei or administration don't seem to be the highest level educated and bad level for English for most polizei, same like in Germany, but higher level for lies in Switzerland. Always better to get own experience, so just speak to them in French or English, rather than writing without knowing the field. In France, you won't also find highest level educated in police or army. Swiss administration don't even know basic law to write in my language and to make sure I understood, when all lawyers will explain you this is basic for justice, except in China, north Korea, Russia and Switzerland.

Sirioja
04-11-21, 14:22
If true this is clearly irresponsible behaviour. There is a reason _professional_ drivers have limits on minimal hours of rest before they are allowed to drive, one of those EU regulations. These guys are professional drivers, they get paid to drive.

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/road/social_provisions/driving_time_en

How come that driving to limit relaxes you when for example Formula 1 drivers are exhausted when they finish a race? Are you better than them?I don't drive a 30/40 tons truck when their big risk is to fall asleep. Have you ever driven with slick race tires? Just try, to feel vibrations and how you are stuck to the track, when, before they put radar in downhill, I could make slide xdrive and soft tires which have better grip, using 4 lines of autobahn even on dry, in right curve between Koln and Frankfurt, passing faster than 200, when was free. If You give me french made Chiron, I will adapt to speed, 50 kms at 250 , then 100 at 300, then 100 at 350, we can get used to speed, then faster than 400 , possible when 4 straight lines for many kilometers on some parts in Germany, faster than any race car, formula 1, IndyCar for Indianapolis, proto for LE Mans, but when I think can reach more than 440 km / h and You just have to pay to get and You can legally speed to 440 in some German parts, but nothing compare to race cars for G your body, head, brain receive and also not same heat in car, which exhaust pilots, not speed they are used to since they started in karting when kids. Speed is not so difficult, as long You are able to brake. No crash for me in Switzerland nor Germany where I got a fox at night over 200 , only in France and only me, when I tested maximum attack, but H3 E21 improved and called rodeo girl RS500 but with more than 120 power improved, were not the easiest on wet. But I miss them, compare to quattro new generation, really not sporty, working, not working, on rear wheels, just electronic correcting, not helping to feel grip limit. My way to drive, kicking in brakes at 120 in snails country, when I enjoy and relax in Italy and more and more rare parts in Germany. Maybe adrenaline relaxing me, when I'm so stressed with snails.

ShooBree
04-11-21, 17:33
Guys guys, just like the Shoo before him, I think he actually gets off on this internet bukkake. Roasting his absurd notions gets him wet. Every time you quote him, he licks his dick sucking lips, slurping up the Jizz you just sprayed on his face.Wow, look at that mentally insane little weirdo.

It's kinda sad to see how he has no life.

PaulInZurich
04-11-21, 18:00
What a 'coincidence' that those South African, UK and Brazilian strains are so potent?

This is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche said: vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is suicidal and causing more aggressive mutations:Umm, all these variants showed up before vaccinations.

Rocky V
04-11-21, 18:18
Rocky, aren't you a life sciences guy? Or a hard science of some sort? At least I remember you speaking knowledgeably about those topics.

Do you also notice the absurd amount of erroneous statements in these posts? Has it also become apparent to you that he does not know the basic concepts of immunology? I'm not so certain that he knows what a T-Cell actually does. It's also clear that he does not know what a blood clot is or how it is formed. So he thinks that when T-cells bind to platelets, promotion of a clot begins?

Am I right? Is he saying what I think he's saying? Perhaps his T-cell platelets theory causes the exact opposite effect of what he is suggesting. As in, T cells bind platelet, inadequate platelet function leads to bleeds. This is the exact opposite of blood clots.Yes, I have a bio-medical background and, although I was hoping he was joking, I felt the urge to reply in case he wasn't and he was in fact complaining that vaccines give protection against viruses for too many years. It's like complaining against sun block companies that their products protect people too well against the damaging effects of UV radiation.

PaulInZurich
04-11-21, 18:21
I don't drive a 30/40 tons truck when their big risk is to fall asleep. Have you ever driven with slick race tires? Just try, to feel vibrations and how you are stuck to the track, when, before they put radar in downhill, I could make slide xdrive and soft tires which have better grip, using 4 lines of autobahn even on dry, in right curve between Koln and Frankfurt, passing faster than 200, when was free. If You give me french made Chiron, I will adapt to speed, 50 kms at 250 , then 100 at 300, then 100 at 350, we can get used to speed, then faster than 400 , possible when 4 straight lines for many kilometers on some parts in Germany, faster than any race car, formula 1, IndyCar for Indianapolis, proto for LE Mans, but when I think can reach more than 440 km / h and You just have to pay to get and You can legally speed to 440 in some German parts, but nothing compare to race cars for G your body, head, brain receive and also not same heat in car, which exhaust pilots, not speed they are used to since they started in karting when kids. Speed is not so difficult, as long You are able to brake. No crash for me in Switzerland nor Germany where I got a fox at night over 200 , only in France and only me, when I tested maximum attack, but H3 E21 improved and called rodeo girl RS500 but with more than 120 power improved, were not the easiest on wet. But I miss them, compare to quattro new generation, really not sporty, working, not working, on rear wheels, just electronic correcting, not helping to feel grip limit. My way to drive, kicking in brakes at 120 in snails country, when I enjoy and relax in Italy and more and more rare parts in Germany. Maybe adrenaline relaxing me, when I'm so stressed with snails.Again, if true, clearly irresponsible behaviour.

Ararat
04-11-21, 18:58
Wow, look at that mentally insane little weirdo.

It's kinda sad to see how he has no life.It's usually seen as a clear sign of being a narcissist when you're talking about yourself like that.

Pistons
04-11-21, 19:22
MMR vaccines give long term protection, yada yada yada, covid vaccines are bad. Wait, what?Both are bad. There was a typo. Not sure why.

PaulInZurich
04-11-21, 19:28
You don't seem to know much, when those working in polizei or administration don't seem to be the highest level educated and bad level for English for most polizei, same like in Germany, but higher level for lies in Switzerland. Always better to get own experience, so just speak to them in French or English, rather than writing without knowing the field. In France, you won't also find highest level educated in police or army. Swiss administration don't even know basic law to write in my language and to make sure I understood, when all lawyers will explain you this is basic for justice, except in China, north Korea, Russia and Switzerland.Clearly I know more than enough about this. I live in Switzerland for more than 20 years. I am not a tourist speeding on the highway.

Sirioja
04-11-21, 19:41
Again, if true, clearly irresponsible behaviour.Don't you know about free speed on some parts in Germany, unfortunately more and more rare. Sometimes I m faster for more than 100 km / h than polizei cars in these parts, not even putting left foot on brake, right one full pushing, and no problem, just legal, their law. Even improving my cars for balance and increasing engine power but not enough, and I won't sell my house, but if I could buy a French hands made Chiron, I could drive faster than any race car legally in Germany, but of course better to be used to speed and able to kick in brakes. I m sure you know race or high speed technique is to brake kicking in pedal with left foot and now much easier with sequential gears box. No crash, driving nearly 100 000 kms per year, full speeding as soon I can. Most dangerous countries to drive, for me, are Switzerland where too stressful and NL where they brake in front of you when you arrive much faster in their back. Faster on Nurburgring are Luxemburg, but Germans are usually correct, moving to right line, when you are faster.

Beijing4987
04-11-21, 20:01
Umm, all these variants showed up before vaccinations.That veterinarian has a magical killer cell he's working on. No studies or results. He's hoping the virus mutations will get out of control, justifying his sky is falling theory. Please vet (no pun) these people before posting their videos. Yes, he worked for Bill Gates and WHO, but his published works are old and not pertinent.

Sirioja
04-11-21, 20:08
Clearly I know more than enough about this. I live in Switzerland for more than 20 years. I am not a tourist speeding on the highway.Always flashed only on autobahns and below 120 , so what speeding? When I really make big effort in Switzerland, when I m quite often more than 200 on some parts in France. Usually 40 CHF fines, but they charge 250 for justice not respecting international laws. Try to speak to polizei or administration in French or English, to test.

Sirioja
04-11-21, 20:21
France now extending for ages to vaccine, because we have AZ nobody want, and not sure French will run for Johnson which will arrive on this week. EU will be more complicated to vaccine and reopen, when AZ is also not a star in Germany, Spain and probably others. We may compete with Russians who don't want sputnik.

PaulInZurich
04-11-21, 20:45
Always flashed only on autobahns and below 120 , so what speeding? When I really make big effort in Switzerland, when I m quite often more than 200 on some parts in France. Usually 40 CHF fines, but they charge 250 for justice not respecting international laws. Try to speak to polizei or administration in French or English, to test.I am sure that even you know that if there is a sign that max speed limit is 80, then you have to respect that sign, regardless if you are on autobahn. 120 is max allowed speed unless there are no other restrictions. How did you pass your driver license test? I know that in Romania you can just buy one, did you buy your driver license there?

Like I said before, I don't need to test, in 20 years here I did speak many time to normal police and many other administration in English.

Sirioja
04-11-21, 21:17
Imagine if you know that you have a criminal offense charged against you in a particular country. They have your license plate number, the color, make, and model of your car, and they have your identity. Regardless of the language of the correspondences, you know the basic reality that you have an unresolved legal matter pending in a foreign country, presumably, likely a warrant for your detainment because you made no attempts to respond to their communications with you.

Somehow, knowing this, you think that it makes sense to subsequently drive into that country in the same exact car, while likely speeding on their highways, bringing further attention to yourself.

How does any responsible, sane, adult human standing in the face of this scenario, make that set of decisions.Even new car now and I really miss previous with no quattro, but I drove for nearly 500 000 kms, as often as possible on full speed and increased power engine still moaning like a baby, but they can easily find me, when they registered me as a criminal, with photos of all my beauty except my dick and asshole because I refused, taking also my fingerprints. I don't plan, but when I will return to transit through Switzerland, maybe for a pit stop in brothel, but only where foods, if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gelé , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.

PaulInZurich
04-12-21, 04:35
Even new car now and I really miss previous with no quattro, but I drove for nearly 500 000 kms, as often as possible on full speed and increased power engine still moaning like a baby, but they can easily find me, when they registered me as a criminal, with photos of all my beauty except my dick and asshole because I refused, taking also my fingerprints. I don't plan, but when I will return to transit through Switzerland, maybe for a pit stop in brothel, but only where foods, if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gel , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.Every once in a while step out in the real world. There are treatments possible.

Pistons
04-12-21, 06:28
That veterinarian has a magical killer cell he's working on. No studies or results. He's hoping the virus mutations will get out of control, justifying his sky is falling theory. Please vet (no pun) these people before posting their videos. Yes, he worked for Bill Gates and WHO, but his published works are old and not pertinent.Well, it checks out with the two different elderly homes in Norway where now over two dousing elderly and health workers who were all fully vaxxed by Pfizer now is sick from the SA and Brazil mutations. And at least one has died of them so far.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 08:48
Wow, look at that mentally insane little weirdo.

It's kinda sad to see how he has no life.I have not life. But that's okay because you're my whole world sugar cheeks. Muah!

Pistons
04-12-21, 09:17
South Africa, the UK and Brazil is where most pharmaceutical companies did their vaccine "testing;.

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trials/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/world/africa/south-africa-vaccine-virus.html

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/covid-19-vaccine-challenges-running-trial-middle-pandemic

Oh yes, more problems for the AstraZeneca "vaccine:

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-astrazeneca-vaccine-trial-on-children-halted/a-57115365

"Netherlands temporarily halts AstraZeneca COVID vaccinations".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/3/dutch-temporarily-halt-astrazeneca-vaccinations

Probably all "conspiracy theories," right Nursenary-BigBuddy69-PaulInZurich? / sarc.Actually, it is a conspiracy. But at this point we are well beyond the theory stage.

However our brainwashed wannabe doctors are a lost cause. Just left them get their vaccine shots of death. Maybe the new strain of humans taking their place will be more free thinking.

Humans are like viruses. The best strains survive.

Pistons
04-12-21, 09:22
Actually I've taken part in the conspiracy myself. So it never was a theory really from my point of view.

We need a modernized financial system, and increased automation. Basically. And the timing is spot on.

But we cannot save everyone. At least we try to save some hot girls who might read this.

Sirioja
04-12-21, 10:54
I am sure that even you know that if there is a sign that max speed limit is 80, then you have to respect that sign, regardless if you are on autobahn. 120 is max allowed speed unless there are no other restrictions. How did you pass your driver license test? I know that in Romania you can just buy one, did you buy your driver license there?

Like I said before, I don't need to test, in 20 years here I did speak many time to normal police and many other administration in English.After Sion tragedy when I was in Wallis, I know for 100 under tunnels and try to respect, but driving 100 or 80, needing to have foot on brakes on autobahns, is too difficult for me, I m much easier on free parts in Germany, much more relaxing and less stressful. Only very small over speeding with no crash nor alcohol, but treating you like a criminal, not the good way with a guy like me, I'm able to resist to their pressure, with big motivation when not respecting international laws and my rights, when no proof about me to be the driver.

Sirioja
04-12-21, 11:03
I am sure that even you know that if there is a sign that max speed limit is 80, then you have to respect that sign, regardless if you are on autobahn. 120 is max allowed speed unless there are no other restrictions. How did you pass your driver license test? I know that in Romania you can just buy one, did you buy your driver license there?

Like I said before, I don't need to test, in 20 years here I did speak many time to normal police and many other administration in English.After Sion tragedy when I was in Wallis, I know for 100 under tunnels and try to respect, but driving 100 or 80, needing to have foot on brakes on autobahns, is too difficult for me, I m much easier on free parts in Germany, much more relaxing and less stressful. Only very small over speeding with no crash nor alcohol, but treating you like a criminal trying to rob your money, not the good way with a guy like me, I'm able to resist to their pressure, with big mental and motivation when not respecting international laws and my rights, when no proof about me to be the driver.

Sirioja
04-12-21, 11:18
Even new car now and I really miss previous with no quattro, but I drove for nearly 500 000 kms, as often as possible on full speed and increased power engine still moaning like a baby, but they can easily find me, when they registered me as a criminal, with photos of all my beauty except my dick and asshole because I refused, taking also my fingerprints. I don't plan, but when I will return to transit through Switzerland, maybe for a pit stop in brothel, but only where foods, if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gel , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.Of course only my experience and way of thinking about justice. When I think I won't have many followers on my climbings, when I don t need in brothels, reason why I don t name anymore my interesting girls, to protect them versus jealous bullshits I experienced too often, some also asking me not to name them, and when I m not to support their business, but I also don't need followers for my way of life and can just advice those who need or want to protect themselves. Just ask your doctor about this. I trust French doctors, even they know few about virus, like in other countries. But too many deaths already.

BigBuddy69
04-12-21, 16:11
Those deaths?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/norway-deaths-coronavirus-vaccine

https://scroll.in/article/984481/the-deaths-of-pfizer-vaccine-recipients-in-norway-show-it-is-actually-stimulating-an-immune-response

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1

Beijing4987
04-12-21, 17:08
Any fans of the Great Barrington "Declaration" ? The esteemed experts recommend that nursing home staff have "acquired immunity through natural infection" that could be "assisted, but not dependent" on a vaccine.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 17:18
None of this addresses the bonehead and arrogant choice to knowingly enter a country for which there is a warrant for their arrest, in the very same car in which they committed the crimes.


Even new car now and I really miss previous with no quattro, but I drove for nearly 500 000 kms, as often as possible on full speed and increased power engine still moaning like a baby, but they can easily find me, when they registered me as a criminal, with photos of all my beauty except my dick and asshole because I refused, taking also my fingerprints. I don't plan, but when I will return to transit through Switzerland, maybe for a pit stop in brothel, but only where foods, if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gel , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 19:27
Always flashed only on autobahns and below 120 , so what speeding? When I really make big effort in Switzerland, when I m quite often more than 200 on some parts in France. Usually 40 CHF fines, but they charge 250 for justice not respecting international laws. Try to speak to polizei or administration in French or English, to test.Switzerland was ranked 18th in the World for English proficiency in non-English speaking nations.

France came in at 28th.

Pistons
04-12-21, 19:43
Those deaths?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/norway-deaths-coronavirus-vaccine

https://scroll.in/article/984481/the-deaths-of-pfizer-vaccine-recipients-in-norway-show-it-is-actually-stimulating-an-immune-response

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1Thank you!

"It also depends on surveillance. Norway may have an especially rapid surveillance and reporting system in place, efficiently tracking everyone who has been vaccinated and quickly reporting any adverse outcomes.

We would expect surveillance reporting from other countries with an active vaccination program soon, increasing data critical to building a more accurate picture of vaccine safety across different populations."

8%+ Vaccine induced thrombocytopenia.

Pistons
04-12-21, 19:46
AZ vaccine.

Although other vaccines seems to show less thrombocytopenia cases, I suspect time is an important factor in all of this. Lesser number of T-cells doesn't mean that the binding towards blood plates isn't there. It just takes longer in order to notice the blood clots. And they may appear in thinner veins as tiny clots in the first few years.

Pistons
04-12-21, 20:20
HammerTime: you want to know why Manuaus got the worst strain of covid?

It is because Bolsonaro and the Brazilians are fucking with the Amazon rainforest, and Manuaus is at the heart of the problem. Basically the Brazilians brought this onto themselves.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 20:21
Those deaths?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/norway-deaths-coronavirus-vaccine

https://scroll.in/article/984481/the-deaths-of-pfizer-vaccine-recipients-in-norway-show-it-is-actually-stimulating-an-immune-response

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1You don't even need reports to refute nearly every vaccine side effect claim regarding the elderly. They are all basically using the fact that "old people die" as the foundation of their claims. What I mean is that they ignore background mortality rates in the population.

Average nursing home death rates in the USA are about 30% per year. Similar rates are seen in Western Europe. None of the vaccine death reports has surpassed that background rate even if extrapolating the 1 month rates up to an entire year.

COVID death rates in the elderly population has however declined sharply in 2021.

Pistons
04-12-21, 20:24
South Africa is getting it because the leadership there is trying to implement reverse apartheid and has done it for a long time now.

Sirioja
04-12-21, 20:31
France now extending for ages to vaccine, because we have AZ nobody want, and not sure French will run for Johnson which will arrive on this week. EU will be more complicated to vaccine and reopen, when AZ is also not a star in Germany, Spain and probably others. We may compete with Russians who don't want sputnik.When UK mutant killed EU since beginning of the year, now our doctors start telling about even more killer Brazilian and they are not sure first 3 vaccines are efficient, when Brazil have 4000 daily deaths, when some come from, returning to France where they are from.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 20:36
Don't you know about free speed on some parts in Germany, unfortunately more and more rare. Sometimes I m faster for more than 100 km / h than polizei cars in these parts, not even putting left foot on brake, right one full pushing, and no problem, just legal, their law. Even improving my cars for balance and increasing engineHe said irresponsible, not illegal. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Even in free speed sections of German autobahns, if you crash while going over 130 mph, even in limitless zones, you are still liable and can be charged with recklessness. The unrestricted speed areas just means that you cannot be charged with speeding. All other infractions still apply. Even in unrestricted stretches of the autobahn, if you crash while going 200 km / HR while going around a bend, you are liable for any damages to public property.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 20:47
Yes, I have a bio-medical background and, although I was hoping he was joking, I felt the urge to reply in case he wasn't and he was in fact complaining that vaccines give protection against viruses for too many years. It's like complaining against sun block companies that their products protect people too well against the damaging effects of UV radiation.Oh, that's normal for him, arguing while making contradictory points because he forgot the details of his previous bullshit assertion. Your observation just reflects the fact that he does not actually have core values and convictions. His belief system is based on a hodgepodge of article titles and fringe Youtube theorists.

Ever watched the show, Ancient Aliens?

BigBuddy69
04-12-21, 21:32
Well we had a famous Swedish specialist on this board who claimed in June or July that herd immunity was in place in some parts of Sweden and that in August 2020, they beat the virus.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Weekly_death_statistics&stable#Wide_disparities_between_countries.

On this nice table you can see how the 2nd wave was mild in Sweden, especially in December.

Herd immunity at its finest.

He also praised the action of the famous president Bolsonaro.

You can see here how efficient his policy is: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/.

Or search on Google: "ourworldindata Brazil excess mortality".

ShooBree
04-12-21, 22:17
It's usually seen as a clear sign of being a narcissist when you're talking about yourself like that.You're obviously just another mentally ill troll. You've yet to post anything concerning mongering. Pathetic.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 22:20
"South African variant can 'break through' Pfizer vaccine: Study".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/11/s-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-study-says

What a 'coincidence' that those South African, UK and Brazilian strains are so potent?

This is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche said: vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is suicidal and causing more aggressive mutations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8PlB4yQ4k

South Africa, the UK and Brazil is where most pharmaceutical companies did their vaccine "testing;.

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trials/.Yes, that's called selective pressure. Aka, survival of the fittest, pretty much the most rudimentary basis of evolution. Yes, vaccination leads to certain strains being "selected" for proliferation. In this case, it is called artificial selection as opposed to natural selection. These are all expected findings from what we know about virology, immunology, infectious disease management, and evolution as a whole. That is why responsible nations have advocated measured use of even simple antibiotics by medical professionals, to reduce microbial resistance.

However, none of that negates the fact that, in the middle of a pandemic, when transmissions skyrocketed, these vaccines have reduced case fatality rates. The most notable effects are seen in the death rates of at-risk seniors in vaccinated nations. Despite the dramatic rise in cases in various regions, deaths have not risen proportionately in most higher vaccinated places.

I know that you actually even already know this as observed in your posts that criticize the practice of making policy based on the positive cases per set capita. It shows that you know that the important metric is not cases but rather health outcomes. Applying what you already know should render these criticisms of vaccines on variant transmissibility less pertinent.

The selective pressures vaccines put on transmissibility has no direct effects on pathogenicity. In fact, viruses gravitate towards decrease pathogenicity because their long-term survival depends on host survival.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 23:28
if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gel , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.Quite questionable logic even if the point is to fight an ideological battle based on principles. As you say, you will not pay them money. However, you are still paying them what they ask, with their determined value of your time's worth, 1 day for 100 CHF.

That's a poor exchange rate for a man in your position (I think). I don't know about you, but my time is worth much much more than 100 CHF per day. Six days in jail is worth several thousand CHF for me when a few hundred CHF was all I needed to lose. Unless your time is worth less than 4.17 CHF per hour, you lose and they still get what they want. All because of the irresponsible action of not addressing a problem because they did not write to you in French. All you had to do was call and I'm sure they would have sent you a correspondence written in French. You say they are not respecting international law, well neither did you when you were speeding through their country.

Pahllus Maximus
04-12-21, 23:32
Mursenary clearly loves Shoobree, his sugar cheeks, and being told "me love you long time". A rare match, though surprising. However, they should book a room, as this site is for the sport of bedding beautiful young women. Then again, it may be part of an immunity experiment.

I've got a fresh supply of gypsy tears in an amulet to guards against COVID, AIDS and democrats. Sadly, ignorant governments who do not have the best advice from Pistons, Fox News and other scholastic sources have thus far been unpersuaded by my miracle cure at border control. I put this down to conspiracy / UFO / Alien / CIA / Cover Up and general intrigue.

If anyone wants some genuine Carpathian Mountains and village of ShitHole-sky, just PM me.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 23:41
Mursenary clearly loves Shoobree, his sugar cheeks, and being told "me love you long time". A rare match, though surprising. However, they should book a room, as this site is for the sport of bedding beautiful young women. Then again, it may be part of an immunity experiment.

I've got a fresh supply of gypsy tears in an amulet to guards against COVID, AIDS and democrats. Sadly, ignorant.Newsflash. This is the Rants and WTF thread. Lounge, general info, and others may be more to your liking. Dork.

Mursenary
04-12-21, 23:53
Coagulation (Clotting): a response to (micro) vascular trauma.

Clot formation: platelets attach to lesion, forming a platelet plug, a primitive less stable "clot". Other blood clotting factors begin a cascade of activation and attachment that builds a more stable clot.

T-cell role in blood clotting: Binds to molecules on clots, including platelet plugs which signals less specific white blood cells such as macrophages to degrade / dispose of the clot.

What happens when the immune system is over stimulated: T cells cause the degradation of too many platelets, exhausting the building blocks of platelet / clot formation.

End result: Inefficient blood clotting leading to an increase in hemorrhagic events. By definition, overactive T-cell activity leads to the exact opposite of blood coagulation.

PaulInZurich
04-13-21, 03:27
Quite questionable logic even if the point is to fight an ideological battle based on principles. As you say, you will not pay them money. However, you are still paying them what they ask, with their determined value of your time's worth, 1 day for 100 CHF.

That's a poor exchange rate for a man in your position (I think). I don't know about you, but my time is worth much much more than 100 CHF per day. Six days in jail is worth several thousand CHF for me when a few hundred CHF was all I needed to lose. Unless your time is worth less than 4.17 CHF per hour, you lose and they still get what they want. All because of the irresponsible action of not addressing a problem because they did not write to you in French. All you had to do was call and I'm sure they would have sent you a correspondence written in French. You say they are not respecting international law, well neither did you when you were speeding through their country.Well, questionable logic is the name of the game here. Maybe he likes the cavity searches or being the GF of Albanian drug mules.

BigBuddy69
04-13-21, 04:00
It is because Bolsonaro and the Brazilians are fucking with the Amazon rainforest, and Manuaus is at the heart of the problem. Basically the Brazilians brought this onto themselves.First time I agree with you. The guy is a disaster.

BigBuddy69
04-13-21, 05:42
Thank youYou're welcome!


In Nomas statement, Sigurd Hortemo, the agencys chief physician, said that we cannot rule out that common adverse reactions, such as fever and nausea, may contribute to a more serious course and fatal outcome in some frail patients with severe underlying diseases.
Those who died were described as having severe underlying health conditions and were all aged 75 or over. (The number of deaths has since risen to 33, out of about 55,000 people who have received the first dose of the vaccine in the country.)
In Norway, an estimated 45 people die in nursing homes or similar institutions every day.
I think it's really a matter of being aware that death is common in a nursing home.

Pistons
04-13-21, 05:47
Coagulation (Clotting): a response to (micro) vascular trauma.

Clot formation: platelets attach to lesion, forming a platelet plug, a primitive less stable "clot". Other blood clotting factors begin a cascade of activation and attachment that builds a more stable clot.

T-cell role in blood clotting: Binds to molecules on clots, including platelet plugs which signals less specific white blood cells such as macrophages to degrade / dispose of the clot.

What happens when the immune system is over stimulated: T cells cause the degradation of too many platelets, exhausting the building blocks of platelet / clot formation.

End result: Inefficient blood clotting leading to an increase in hemorrhagic events. By definition, overactive T-cell activity leads to the exact opposite of blood coagulation.Actually it leads to both. Clotting, and just past the clot, it causes bleeding / hemorrhage. You should know this if you call yourself a doctor.

You should also know that clots can be lethal. So your line regarding degradation does not always work if something, like a vaccine has messed up your DNA (changed a clotting factor) or you are born with mutation (s) on any of your clotting factors. Or a combination of both.

Pahllus Maximus
04-13-21, 07:38
There is an old joke: the Italians for trains, English for food and Swiss for tolerance, generosity and humor. Colonel Klink clearly had his ledgers out of order.

Mursenary is correct: you did paint a target on yourself and value some principle over mere $. The humor free Klink cannot even conceive of why you refuse to accept their version of reality or infallible bureaucracy. There is no grey in Switzerland. They love gold. Idi Amin, Russian Mafia and others on the lam are all welcome with money. The Swiss are nearly as bad as the city of London. Your protest will not deter them, and will probably do the opposite.

Swiss food is punishment enough.

BigBuddy69
04-13-21, 07:51
Quite questionable logic even if the point is to fight an ideological battle based on principles. As you say, you will not pay them money. However, you are still paying them what they ask, with their determined value of your time's worth, 1 day for 100 CHF.When you are a prostitute addict and a money slave to them, every CHF counts and is directed towards the prostitutes. You sleep in your car (well the company car with the gas paid by the company), you have no other hobbies or just some excuses to convince yourself you have no addiction problem, like pretending you're a challenger for the rainbow Jersey when you ride a 95 % Taiwanese made piece of crap 4 months in the year, 90 km max every ride.

Sirioja
04-13-21, 08:32
Quite questionable logic even if the point is to fight an ideological battle based on principles. As you say, you will not pay them money. However, you are still paying them what they ask, with their determined value of your time's worth, 1 day for 100 CHF.

That's a poor exchange rate for a man in your position (I think). I don't know about you, but my time is worth much much more than 100 CHF per day. Six days in jail is worth several thousand CHF for me when a few hundred CHF was all I needed to lose. Unless your time is worth less than 4.17 CHF per hour, you lose and they still get what they want. All because of the irresponsible action of not addressing a problem because they did not write to you in French. All you had to do was call and I'm sure they would have sent you a correspondence written in French. You say they are not respecting international law, well neither did you when you were speeding through their country.Do you ask justice to charge you? I don't. In Europe, justice have to prove and respect laws. If not, then no legal charge, and they abuse in Switzerland and know it, not letting You give a call, putting pressure on You. When they treat me like a criminal like they did, they will only get a criminal trained to resist to their pressure, but as I wrote, only my personal subjective way of thinking. When I m not a pimp robbering a girl money, I don t pay robbers. Even some opened brothels and Verbier, I didn't go on this year, because when late at job because of virus, I couldn t take risk to be put in jail when have to be daily on the field about safety, but will see in future. New car don t change anything when You are registered like a criminal, but I could still work in Switzerland they told me. Criminal but not terrorist yet. Only for flashes less than 120 km / h on autobahns, never under tunnels, when I kill my brakes in Switzerland. I now will spend much less money than before in Switzerland, just for pit stops in brothels, even I wish for my Verbier free ride on April 2022 , after great 5 runs for more than 3 hours, lift staff looking at me, on 2019, but getting older, but I know I can perform even better, like on my friend bicycle, running for my records, my motivation, my way of thinking.

Sirioja
04-13-21, 08:38
There is an old joke: the Italians for trains, English for food and Swiss for tolerance, generosity and humor. Colonel Klink clearly had his ledgers out of order.

Mursenary is correct: you did paint a target on yourself and value some principle over mere $. The humor free Klink cannot even conceive of why you refuse to accept their version of reality or infallible bureaucracy. There is no grey in Switzerland. They love gold. Idi Amin, Russian Mafia and others on the lam are all welcome with money. The Swiss are nearly as bad as the city of London. Your protest will not deter them, and will probably do the opposite.

Swiss food is punishment enough.I used to eat good, wild chamois, in Wallis, but before January 2019. Now I save my euros.

ShooBree
04-13-21, 09:22
As we all know the lockdowns failed miserably pretty much all over Europe, just look at Germany, France, Spain, Belgium, Italy and so on. A huge failure with damning effects on the economy and the general health.

ShooBree
04-13-21, 09:28
Mursenary clearly loves Shoobree, his sugar cheeks, and being told "me love you long time". A rare match, though surprising. However, they should book a room, as this site is for the sport of bedding beautiful young women. Then again, it may be part of an immunity experiment.

I've got a fresh supply of gypsy tears in an amulet to guards against COVID, AIDS and democrats. Sadly, ignorant governments who do not have the best advice from Pistons, Fox News and other scholastic sources have thus far been unpersuaded by my miracle cure at border control. I put this down to conspiracy / UFO / Alien / CIA / Cover Up and general intrigue.

If anyone wants some genuine Carpathian Mountains and village of ShitHole-sky, just PM me.Well, the gay troll has a crush on me. It's not mutual.

Unlike the gay troll I'm actually straight and didn't create multiple accounts to troll straight mongers.

Pistons
04-13-21, 11:08
Why do I always have to put up with wannabe doctors who only knows 20 year old 101 literature at first grade?

I always like to stick to updated science:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/prac-recommendation/signal-assessment-report-embolic-thrombotic-events-smq-covid-19-vaccine-chadox1-s-recombinant-covid_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwidisaHu_rvAhW6hf0HHSvlB8YQFjABegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw3oQqWnmwfUyEWzMJW90DY4

Updates. It is a pro in terms of communication.

Pistons
04-13-21, 11:19
P.S. only read the text, and not the conclusion in that EMA PDF file I linked in my last post. As they are clearly trying to hide over the facts as seen here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1884189/

As always, wannabe doctors at all levels lie. So one needs to make use of common sense.

Mursenary
04-13-21, 15:58
First time I agree with you. The guy is a disaster.Are you fucking serious? He's now making baseless claims that link covid variants to the Amazon rain forest. Meanwhile still spewing erroneous medical / science claims. Don't feed the zoo animals.

Mursenary
04-13-21, 16:08
Well, the gay troll has a crush on me. It's not mutual.

Unlike the gay troll I'm actually straight and didn't create multiple accounts to troll straight mongers.Oh you don't have to like it. You can just lay there. I'll make sure to wipe your butthole when it's done. A gentleman always brings a towel. See ya tonight!

Mursenary
04-13-21, 16:15
Do you ask justice to charge you? I don't. In Europe, justice have to prove and respect laws. If not, then no legal charge, and they abuse in Switzerland and know it, not letting You give a call, putting pressure on You. When they treat me like a criminal like they did, they will only get a criminal trained to resist to their pressure, but as I wrote, only my personal subjective way of thinking. When I m not a pimp robbering a girl money, I don t pay robbers.But you did pay them. They asked for 6 days in jail in lieu of 600 CHF and you gave it to them it. Perhaps if you were really fighting for your ideals, you would have not have let them arrest you.

Mursenary
04-13-21, 16:49
T-cells binding to platelets do not cause blood clots.

Pistons
04-13-21, 17:31
The selective pressures vaccines put on transmissibility has no direct effects on pathogenicity. In fact, viruses gravitate towards decrease pathogenicity because their long-term survival depends on host survival.Too bad then that the gain-of-function scientists gravitate towards the opposite.

Pistons
04-13-21, 17:40
Are you fucking serious? He's now making baseless claims that link covid variants to the Amazon rain forest. Meanwhile still spewing erroneous medical / science claims. Don't feed the zoo animals.USA is putting the J&J vaccine on hold today due to exactly what I have been talking about here for weeks or months now:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/13/986709618/u-s-recommends-pausing-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-over-blood-clot-concerns?t=1618332576369

But uneducated wannabes refuse to listen to reason. Much like Bolsonaro. So indeed, when you do get vaccine induced thrombocytopenia yourself, it was your doing.

Sirioja
04-13-21, 20:33
He said irresponsible, not illegal. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Even in free speed sections of German autobahns, if you crash while going over 130 mph, even in limitless zones, you are still liable and can be charged with recklessness. The unrestricted speed areas just means that you cannot be charged with speeding. All other infractions still apply. Even in unrestricted stretches of the autobahn, if you crash while going 200 km / HR while going around a bend, you are liable for any damages to public property.Why is it irresponsible to push as fast your car is able when this is legal, when you have no crash since so many hundreds thousands kilometers, mostly at night, but also under rain, on snow, figures talk, same like in FKK. I prepared to improve my first car BMW E21 Hartge 3 when I was only 21 with race engine air filter and injectors, I improved and drove daily for 15 years a RS500 Cosworth with race injectors, turbo and wastegate, making a race car with much harder balance from Bilstein. Today, guy who bought me, called me for a information about engine preparation, I told him she is made to put right foot full in, he told me she is more sporty than his Mustang Shelby 600 power, just normal: a race car will always be more sporty than a powerful car, and Americans are really not the sportiest, not for maximum speed, but in curves and for grip, so I told him: As soon I can, I will come, when he is close to Germany, to show him what is a race car grip and balance, we will try his Shelby pushing 280, when past beloved rodeo girl go to 250 , and maybe he will let me try the one I missed, but my rodeo girl was more exclusive, but fantastic karting Escort RS Cosworth, even bad luck just original 220 power, but a real karting for balance and grip. When he makes a impressive collection, but he drinks my passion. Should be fun and great adrenaline. I was so frustrated for 10 years with company cars, VW or BMW, but couldn't improve them, just boring cars, so happy when I could have again my own car, to improve, to make so much more interesting to drive, even very complicated about electronic with last one and Audi had to change engine under guaranty, wish will have better potential to perform, working on to improve, to feel more sensations, even nothing compare to ski or going downhill on narrow tires great bicycle able to climb the steepest when I wait for 2 here, when never saw any carbon climbing alone.

BigBuddy69
04-13-21, 20:41
Are you fucking serious? He's now making baseless claims that link covid variants to the Amazon rain forest. Meanwhile still spewing erroneous medical / science claims. Don't feed the zoo animals.No, I agree with him about Bolsonaro destroying the rain forest.

Mursenary
04-13-21, 20:47
Do you ask justice to charge you? I don't. In Europe, justice have to prove and respect laws. If not, then no legal charge, and they abuse in Switzerland and know it, not letting You give a call, putting pressure on You. When they treat me like a criminal like they did, they will only get a criminal trained to resist to their pressure,To clarify, are you just stating your criticism of the process? (Not writing to you in French and depriving you of a phone call).

Or are you saying that you were innocent altogether, not ever speeding on Swiss highways and have never been "flashed" by a traffic control device?

The latter would not excuse the first offense by the Swiss authorities but would help your audience here formulate a better understanding of your gripe.

Pistons
04-13-21, 21:22
T-cells binding to platelets do not cause blood clots.Depends on where they bind.

Mursenary
04-13-21, 21:27
Interesting article regarding Manaus, Brazil and herd immunity:

Article states that a seroprevalence study of SARS-Cov2 antibodies in blood donors from Manaus estimated a 76% infection rate by October 2020. That's well over the herd immunity threshold and, if not, should at least have mitigated the recent surge. Perhaps of further concern, the recent surge was not correlated with the Brazilian P1 variant. The recent surge was mostly due to that same old China-Virus, Kung-Flu strain, suggesting reinfection with the same strain after achieving "natural immunity. "

This suggests that either:

1. Estimates of prior infections using blood donor antibody prevalence was wrong.

2. Natural antibody production wanes after several months.

3. There is another strain that has not been identified which is not affected by the body's natural immune response.

In the beginning of this whole pandemic, I also tilted toward the possibility of shooting for herd immunity so the effects on the economy and personal life could be avoided. This data coming out of Brazil now casts more doubt on the herd immunity position. As such, especially if this trend is observed elsewhere, say Mexico or Colombia, it would suggest a more imperative case that vaccines, made to be more specific in recognizing parts of the virus that are less prone to frequent mutation, are the most direct way to eliminate / reduce the COVID threat.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00183-5/fulltext

*Addendum: Article also mentioned that analysis of blood donations in Peru resulted in an estimated 70% infection rate prior to the Christmas surge. That's 2 regions where the estimated 67% herd immunity threshold failed to produce acceptable results.

BigBuddy69
04-13-21, 21:27
Why do I always have to put up with wannabe doctors who only knows 20 year old 101 literature at first grade?

I always like to stick to updated science:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/prac-recommendation/signal-assessment-report-embolic-thrombotic-events-smq-covid-19-vaccine-chadox1-s-recombinant-covid_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwidisaHu_rvAhW6hf0HHSvlB8YQFjABegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw3oQqWnmwfUyEWzMJW90DY4

Updates. It is a pro in terms of communication.45 fatal cases for 20 M doses. That makes around 1/500,000.

Covid mortality rate in France: 100,000 deaths for 5 M confirmed cases. That makes around 1/50. Guess which one is the biggest ratio?

Hypothesis (big one) : only one case out of 4 is confirmed because the others one are asymptomatic, are not tested, whatever.

That makes 1/200.

New hypothesis: every French got the virus. 100,000/70 M, that makes 1/700. Still way bigger than 1/500,000.

Gino02
04-13-21, 21:28
But you did pay them. They asked for 6 days in jail in lieu of 600 CHF and you gave it to them it. Perhaps if you were really fighting for your ideals, you would have not have let them arrest you.Or, he could have filed a lawsuit against those cops.

Pistons
04-13-21, 21:29
You basically now show to the world that you know nothing about the blood plate factors.

Sirioja
04-13-21, 21:30
Our poor Metz district which was under UK mutant since months and now 30% new cases are south African, when Brazilian now entered in EU with 20% cases in Portugal, but also in Spain, Italy, NL, Belgium and France, so high killer should spread, when already problems about Johnson when not arrived yet, and AZ not many want. 2021 may be complicated for EU, when 4000 daily deaths in Brazil and young and who already had original but repeated with Brazilian.

Pistons
04-13-21, 21:34
There are plenty of literature regarding Heparin induced thrombocytopenia and it's link to blood plate factor 4. All wannabe sheep doctors should have been programmed to know this. As they are only tools.

Now the vaccines doesn't have heparin. But when you see the same results, chances are that similar bindings have occurred on one or more plate factors due to the vaccine.

Mursenary
04-13-21, 22:22
You're welcome!

In Norway, an estimated 45 people die in nursing homes or similar institutions every day.
I think it's really a matter of being aware that death is common in a nursing home.This point is consistent with the criticisms regarding vaccine side effects. The somewhat valid ones, not the silly sterility and DNA editing claims.

These death rates in vaccinated people do not supersede the background death rates of the target population (control group).

As for CSVT (cerebral blood clots), we've seen that the pauses in AZ and now JJ vaccines occurred when the incidence was well below the background incidence.

Background of CSVT is 4 per million; meanwhile, the AZ saw less than 0. 5 per million while the JnJ reports less than 1 per million. (Other clots seen with AZ occur at 2 per millions).

For further perspective, the newest generation of birth control pills that have been used for over a decade now sees an incidence of 27 cases per million within 2 weeks of use.

Even before weighing the risk / reward of these vaccines against COVID, we can do simple arithmetic and conclude that 0. 5 and 1 are less than 4 and 27. Duh.

Sources:

Birth control and Background CSVT incidence:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4313700/?fbclid=IwAR0LZeizelGXbj22FBzQgmS5QN6hlbLwow9YxaN-l4AtdT4_HBiCMQlQZxo

JnJ CSVT incidence:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/13/986709618/u-s-recommends-pausing-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-over-blood-clot-concerns

AZ CSVT incidence:

https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-whats-the-deal-with-thrombosis/a-56901525

Gino02
04-14-21, 00:26
France suspends all Brazil flights over Covid-19 variant fears.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210413-france-suspends-all-brazil-flights-over-covid-19-variant-fears

Is this a racist action?

Mursenary
04-14-21, 00:29
This study was a topic of my hospital's bi-weekly critical care meeting. A study produced by clinicians in Oslo examining the 5 cases of CSVT treated at their hospital coined the term, Vaccine-induced thrombocytopenia. It mimics a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT) where people have autoimmune reactions once given the anticoagulation medication, heparin. The cases were unfortunate and understandably caused concerns which remain in Scandinavian countries. It was odd to us that with so few people vaccinated with AZ in Norway (130 K), why was there a higher prevalence of CSVT compared to any other nation? Is there a genetic element? An interaction with other medications?

One major criticism was how they arrived at their conclusion. As mentioned, they base their conclusions on what we know about HIT. As such, they tested for the same antibodies produced by an autoimmune reaction to heparin. What was odd, and why others in the medical community have criticized their methodology, was that while they correctly stated that the patients had no prior exposure to heparin, their report revealed that they measured the antibody levels only AFTER administering low molecular weight heparin.

Two things:

1. In the very litigious practice of medicine in the United States and UK, heparin would be cautiously used in those patients due to the possibility of exacerbating the pathophysiology of the condition.

2. They measured the antibodies usually formed in HIT after administering a low-molecular weight heparin to the patients.

This is why studies are peer reviewed. It is not just results that drive progress, background and methodology matters just as much.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104882

Mursenary
04-14-21, 00:35
Or, he could have filed a lawsuit against those cops.Yep. If his rights were actually violated and he had a case, that would have been the best course of action. But he knew that he was guilty. And with his prideful accounts of speeding, we all know the same. Hell I speed too. But when I'm caught, I admit fault and accept my punishment with some dignity.

Mursenary
04-14-21, 00:44
Why is it irresponsible to push as fast your car is able when this is legal, when you have no crash since so many hundreds thousands kilometers, mostly at night, but also under rain, on snow, figures talk, same like in FKK.No matter how good a driver you are, when on a public road, you cannot ensure that others on the road are also paying attention. Same for random animals, pot holes, etc. Defensive driving 101.

Pahllus Maximus
04-14-21, 01:20
Mursenary points to birth control ratios to COVID. I could go further and attribute car accidents, or anything. When you look at obese Americans with existing cardiovascular issues and lining up at the supermarket pharmacy to cure the diseases they self-inflicted lining up with a shopping cart of shit food in the same supermarket not that long before. The whole thing is pandering to population potential hysteria the elites think of as mostly irrational idiots, and sadly, they are right. They cannot explain anything in life has risks in case the anti-vaxxers jump onboard. You would be amazed how many people believe in UFOs, made up gods and various delusions. Most lack critical thinking too. Much of the stuff about vaccines is straight up mental. There is a market for the crazy, mysticism and etc. Eyeballs = advertising $. Keep 'em coming back is the plan of casinos, facebook and so on that spend a lot of money on behavioral science for this very effect.

Luckily I have my gypsy tears as a fool proof prophylactic, including STDs and <insert -ism. Works better than garlic.

Clodius1
04-14-21, 01:38
USA is putting the J&J vaccine on hold today due to exactly what I have been talking about here for weeks or months now:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/13/986709618/u-s-recommends-pausing-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-over-blood-clot-concerns?t=1618332576369

But uneducated wannabes refuse to listen to reason. Much like Bolsonaro. So indeed, when you do get vaccine induced thrombocytopenia yourself, it was your doing.J&J is a disaster, but USA will be okay, defense in depth. We have enough oversupply of Pfizer and Moderna to screw up everyone's DNA here, no problem. Yes, I'm still glad that I got the J&J, older tech is better than new.

Mursenary
04-14-21, 02:02
Hematology 201 - sophomore year.

T cell binding to platelets do not cause platelets to form blood clots, no matter where they bind. By definition, platelets aggregates are not even actual blood clots. Instead, they promote the formation of thrombin clots, actual blood clots.

Thrombotic thrombocytopenia on the other hand, is a condition in which platelet levels become depleted but immune complexes formed in part by platelet granules and various molecules are bound by antibodies that recruit thrombin, leading to thrombosis, especially in arteries. What we see in CSVT are venous blood clots.

T cells do not tell tell platelets what to do, rather platelets can activate T cells to perform various tasks of the immune system.

I searched Up-to-Date, the premiere source of established medical knowledge in the United States, and no where does the literature have any mention of T-cell induced thrombosis in relation to platelets. In every direct instance, T cells play a role in the degradation of blood clots, not their formation.

Autoimmune thrombotic thrombocytopenia however can result in platelets initiating a sequence of events that leads to blood clots but they are facilitated by antibodies which are produced by B_cells. The function of T cells in this instance, is at best, to facilitate some secondary cell-cell communication. I'm too far from undergrad to remember those details. But for that to occur, both B_cells and T cells must develop an autoimmune disorder. Odd thing is that these blood clots are not implicated in the mRNA vaccines. Another conspiracy myth.

As such, if someone was to say that aberrant autoimmune B_cell activation leads to immune complex formation with platelet granules leading to thrombosis, they would be correct. Insisting on T-cells binding to sites on platelets causing clot formation, well that shows a lack of understanding likely due to a lack of fundamental, life-science foundation. Throw in some unbelievably mis-found arrogance too.

Pistons
04-14-21, 02:47
HammerTime: Did you read this?

80% of the people in Sicily are turning down the vaccine from AZ!

https://www.businessinsider.com/sicily-80-percent-turn-down-astrazeneca-vaccine-hesitancy-2021-4

1000 - 0.

To us anti-vaxxers and the Sicilian mafia against the wannabe know-nothing corrupt death spawns on this forum!

Pistons
04-14-21, 02:59
Works better than garlic.Actually, garlic extract is quite good for your blood. Allcin has some good properties. Add it with onion to your diet and you are good!

Take it from the real doctor here on the forum! No need for scam-ridden mafia products at the pharmacy.

Pistons
04-14-21, 03:02
As for CSVT (cerebral blood clots), we've seen that the pauses in AZ and now JJ vaccines occurred when the incidence was well below the background incidence.LOL!

In 2.7% of the test subjects who received the AZ vaccine, the amount of T-cells in their blood broke the chart. They couldn't even measure the amount!

Mursenary
04-14-21, 03:23
You would be amazed how many people believe in UFOs, made up gods and various delusions. Most lack critical thinking too. Much of the stuff about vaccines is straight up mental. There is a market for the crazy, mysticism and etc.I don't have as much disdain for the American people as you, but fair.

But since we are all entitled to one belief or two without proof, UFO's are definitely possible.

Well, at least aliens are. Human sized spaceships may not be needed for interstellar travel.

Mursenary
04-14-21, 03:36
J&J is a disaster, but USA will be okay, defense in depth. We have enough oversupply of Pfizer and Moderna to screw up everyone's DNA here, no problem. Yes, I'm still glad that I got the J&J, older tech is better than new.I understand your apprehension. Fair enough. Old tech vaccines will be very useful in ending this foolishness.

But once you shed the pop culture influences, the mRNA vaccines are superior in every way except for the logistics of delivery (cold storage, 2-dose schedule).

They are deliberate and specific (encodes for specific viral proteins, no more, no less). They are delivered in innate lipid particles as opposed to immunogenic vectors required with traditional vaccines. That means they infuse to cells and deliver the "package" without the need for viral / bacterial vectors that illicit non-specific immunogenic responses. They are easily altered for future adjustments as antigenicity shifts in the virus.

The comparisons of the two technologies is like comparing MP3's versus tape cassettes. Microsoft Word versus Typewriters.

Pistons
04-14-21, 04:18
J&J is a disasterThat's what I said! And they always have been!

Though the amateurs in here have advocated otherwise.

Or wait? Are they actually changing their minds too now?

Pahllus Maximus
04-14-21, 06:41
Levity aside.

I'm only a year 1 university biochemistry dropout and am pretty ignorant, but I know the difference between subunits, attenuated, adenovirus, and deactivated and proteins and ligands and most of the cellular components. Cells in humans are vastly different in what they do. I'm smart enough to know much smarter people than me are on this little problem. It's not in some dark room with cigars by some elite or CIA / UFO / government cover up / Bill Gates blah blah conspiracy. That's not to say they are not exploiting it economically, but that's another topic.

Our DNA is morphing and changing all the time, slowly, radiation, virii and the proteins are all replicating, dying or mutating, cancer being the penalty for multi-cellular. We have about 60-100 trillion cells. Some will change for any number of reasons. This is how evolution works. It's a big squishy mess and not particularly well designed in some ways, and brilliant in other ways. In fact, based on left-hand sugars found in meteors, there is a fairly high chance earth got seeded by bombardment a long time ago. Ladies milking cows (not cocks) did not get smallpox, and were unwittingly getting a natural vaccine. So crapping on about vaccine fucking up our DNA is pretty way out there. It would take enormous effort to get collusion of thousands of labs in different countries testing and cross checking. There is probably nearly a people with PhDs working on this. That's why conspiracies are mostly bogus. Incompetence is far more likely. Chances are you have HPV from the many girls we have had. It too changes protein expression that DNA / RNA folds. There is noting bad about virii per se. There are so many they are probably essential.

What has changed is a giant megaphone and social media that enables everyone to be an expert. If we went back to the 1950's with polio, and gave everyone a smart phone, we would be as fucked up as we are today. The lack of trust in politicians and institutions fans the flames, and selling BS is profitable. Keeps the population fighting over bullshit rather a cool look at income to asset price growth curve, falling income and the sucking squid of Wall Street. Vaccines, trans-gender soy beans, gun rights and other BS is the distraction trick.

All too hard. I need a BJ. And for Thailand and FKKs to open. There are clever guys on this forum,but some are dropkicks. The DNA altering conspiracy is absurd.

PaulInZurich
04-14-21, 06:51
To clarify, are you just stating your criticism of the process? (Not writing to you in French and depriving you of a phone call).

Or are you saying that you were innocent altogether, not ever speeding on Swiss highways and have never been "flashed" by a traffic control device?

The latter would not excuse the first offense by the Swiss authorities but would help your audience here formulate a better understanding of your gripe.How much can he be believed anything he is claiming? Initially he claimed he was never speeding, then he changed it to never caught they can't prove it was him, latest is well he was on a highway so who cares about speed limit signs, plus it is so stressful for him to drive under 120, then it turns out he got multiple fines. If he got the letters only in German, and that is a big if, anybody could read there that it was from police in Switzerland, it would have the speed in km / h, date and location of infraction and an amount to be paid. Would it be really that difficult to understand what it is about? It wasn't written in Cyrillic or Hanzi or Kanji characters. You got caught speeding, tough luck buttercup, actions have consequences, be a man, pay up, be more careful next time.

I am sure it is possible to antagonize police officers, just be a dick to them. It's high up on the list of stupid things you can do when in a foreign country. If you really try to annoy them, they can find a way to make things interesting. Comparing such a situation with human rights violations in China or Russia is just ridiculous and an insult to people who really are affected by them.

Never mind the other delusions, 50+ guy who does less than 1000 km per year cycling (this is what pros do in 5 race days), but claiming he is fitter than a still active multiple world champion, the monger who gives most prostitutes their first ever orgasm in life, etc, etc.

How credible is anything coming from the same person?

Sirioja
04-14-21, 07:51
To clarify, are you just stating your criticism of the process? (Not writing to you in French and depriving you of a phone call).

Or are you saying that you were innocent altogether, not ever speeding on Swiss highways and have never been "flashed" by a traffic control device?

The latter would not excuse the first offense by the Swiss authorities but would help your audience here formulate a better understanding of your gripe.Only flashes on cars, but driver was never arrested overspeeding in Switzerland, only controls on borders or elsewhere, when I was arrested in Germany and I paid, so if You are able to understand, just 0 proof about the driver in Switzerland. Then, letters written in German when law is to write me in French, to make sure I understand the charge. Then abusive justice charge and treating me like a criminal to put pressure on me, when 0 proof despite they put messe in my car, so I m innocent according to law, but then behaving like a criminal, as they treated me. My very easy way for thinking and like with girls, my principles are more important than grocery and arithmetic. But as I previously wrote, as I doubt to have my 2 followers climbing with me on this Summer, maybe only their carbon light bicycles climbing alone and less heavy, when I m sure my french brand and me will be able to climb more than Sagan will climb on this year, with about 30 highest ranked, more than Giro, tour de France and Vuelta all together for highest ranked climbings, for great Summer I want to make, just my subjective way of thinking and like in brothels I don t care about jealous obsessed followers, Kate told me about when she was bullshit by some, who don t know the meaning of addiction. Maybe You should explain this disease to your friends who would run to brothels if they could.

Mursenary
04-14-21, 13:15
France suspends all Brazil flights over Covid-19 variant fears.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210413-france-suspends-all-brazil-flights-over-covid-19-variant-fears

Is this a racist action?2020 wants its joke back.

ShooBree
04-14-21, 14:12
2020 wants its joke back.He crushed you as usual.

ExpatLover
04-14-21, 14:33
Only flashes on cars, but driver was never arrested overspeeding in Switzerland, only controls on borders or elsewhere, when I was arrested in Germany and I paid, so if You are able to understand, just 0 proof about the driver in Switzerland. Then, letters written in German when law is to write me in French, to make sure I understand the charge. Then abusive justice charge and treating me like a criminal to put pressure on me, when 0 proof despite they put messe in my car, so I m innocent according to law, but then behaving like a criminal, as they treated me. My very easy way for thinking and like with girls, my principles are more important than grocery and arithmetic. But as I previously wrote, as I doubt to have my 2 followers climbing with me on this Summer, maybe only their carbon light bicycles climbing alone and less heavy, when I m sure my french brand and me will be able to climb more than Sagan will climb on this year, with about 30 highest ranked, more than Giro, tour de France and Vuelta all together for highest ranked climbings, for great Summer I want to make, just my subjective way of thinking and like in brothels I don t care about jealous obsessed followers, Kate told me about when she was bullshit by some, who don t know the meaning of addiction. Maybe You should explain this disease to your friends who would run to brothels if they could.You just have no moral and no honor. You are overspeeding so many times and you don't have the honesty to admit it, you just try to escape your responsibility, you are saying you are a accomplished sportsmen are those the rules you are defending, like cheating, lying, no respecting the laws.

Rocky V
04-14-21, 14:47
J&J is a disaster, but USA will be okay, defense in depth. We have enough oversupply of Pfizer and Moderna to screw up everyone's DNA here, no problem. Yes, I'm still glad that I got the J&J, older tech is better than new.Sure, I agree, who needs progress in health care? I would advocate going back to the times where dentistry was performed as a moonlighting job by skilled butchers. That was the real dentistry experience, not the sissy one we have today, full of anesthetics and low pain procedures.

Rocky V
04-14-21, 15:25
That's what I said! And they always have been!

Though the amateurs in here have advocated otherwise.

Or wait? Are they actually changing their minds too now?6 cases of thrombosis in 6.8 millions doses given (I. E. Ultra rare adverse events):

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/joint-cdc-and-fda-statement-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine

If you think this is a disaster, I would advise you not to take any medicine for the rest of your life.

BigBuddy69
04-14-21, 15:38
That's what I said! And they always have been!

Though the amateurs in here have advocated otherwise.

Or wait? Are they actually changing their minds too now?Well you've been saying that mARN vaccines will alter our genetics and turn us into blood thirsty monsters because this new witchcraft has never been tested on humans. So you were implying that it was better to rely on a more proven technology.

Now you say that 'classic' vaccines will give potentially lethal blood clots to 8% of us (I'm still waiting for your source by the way).

What's left? Solarium?

Mursenary
04-14-21, 17:16
He crushed you as usual.Oh really sugar cheeks? How so?

Mursenary
04-14-21, 17:29
Only flashes on cars, but driver was never arrested overspeeding in Switzerland, only controls on borders or elsewhere, when I was arrested in Germany and I paid, so if You are able to understand, just 0 proof about the driver in Switzerland. Then, letters written in German when law is to write me in French, to make sure I understand the charge. Then abusive justice charge and treating me like a criminal to put pressure on me, when 0 proof despite they put messe in my car, so I m innocent according to law, but then behaving like a criminal, as they treated me. My very easy way for thinking and like with girls, my principles are more important than grocery and arithmetic. .So they had your license plate number and have a picture of it but not you driving?

If so, who was driving you car? Did you let someone borrow it? Or did someone steal it without you knowing?

I've seen the back of you car. It was completely full of boxes of papers. It was already quite messy. Like, mentally unhealthy messy.

Curious, how many private escorts have you seen since the brothels closed?

Mursenary
04-14-21, 17:34
How credible is anything coming from the same person?Not consistently reliable. But wondering if he is even aware himself. The best liars are the ones who believe their own lies. Their created reality is quite real to them.

Gino02
04-14-21, 18:47
He crushed you as usual.LOL imagine if the whole world listened to Trump back in Jan-Feb 2020 when he suggested the same action (stopping flights from China). Remember what the expert libtards like Pelosi, Schumer and the loonies on CNN were blaming Trump for? Even Macron and Merkel were crying Trump is racist haha. Some people are really slow, and people who vote for them are even slower and complete stupid!

Pistons
04-14-21, 19:27
Thrombotic thrombocytopenia on the other hand, is a condition in which platelet levels become depleted but immune complexes formed in part by platelet granules and various molecules are bound by antibodies that recruit thrombin, leading to thrombosis, especially in arteries. What we see in CSVT are venous blood clots.Congratulation. You just googled forward basically the exact same thing I've been saying here for awhile now.

Pistons
04-14-21, 19:38
Insisting on T-cells binding to sites on platelets causing clot formation, well that shows a lack of understanding likely due to a lack of fundamental, life-science foundation. Throw in some unbelievably mis-found arrogance too.When you have extreme amounts of T-cells, and depletion of platelets, something is wrong. Then either the breaking up of platelets are not functioning on some level, or something is off in regards to producing the T-cells.

Noone knows exactly what is happening yet. It is only a theory. But we see the results clear as day. And they are not good.

MRNA does have a slight increase in thrombosis also. But instead of 2.8% as with AZ, we are talking 0. 14% so far in terms of cases. So the difference is massive. But as long as we don't know exactly how this is happening yet, as was written in the links I posted, we don't know if this is something becomes a bigger problem over time. Or even after more and more shots are being taken to the same individual. In a study regarding MMR vaccines, the T-cell levels increased in 67% of the cases. And this in turn results in fewer platelets.

Pistons
04-14-21, 19:55
Our DNA is morphing and changing all the time, slowly, radiation, virii and the proteins are all replicating, dying or mutating, cancer being the penalty for multi-cellular. We have about 60-100 trillion cells. Some will change for any number of reasons. This is how evolution works. It's a big squishy mess and not particularly well designed in some ways, and brilliant in other ways. In fact, based on left-hand sugars found in meteors, there is a fairly high chance earth got seeded by bombardment a long time ago. Ladies milking cows (not cocks) did not get smallpox, and were unwittingly getting a natural vaccine. So crapping on about vaccine fucking up our DNA is pretty way out there. It would take enormous effort to get collusion of thousands of labs in different countries testing and cross checking. There is probably nearly a people with PhDs working on this. That's why conspiracies are mostly bogus. Incompetence is far more likely. Chances are you have HPV from the many girls we have had. It too changes protein expression that DNA / RNA folds. 1. I agree with the first part regarding mutations etc.

2. I have already posted links twice to where the head of the investigation in the Wuhan lab himself discussed the large effort into cataloging and studying how to change the covid virus in order for it to transmit easier between human beings. And how that effort was being spearheaded at the Wuhan lab was reported on in a nature magazine article awhile back. This is no such thing as a conspiracy here when he plainly says it as clear as day in the interview he had with that Columbia uni virology professor.

3. In regards to changing the DNA, you are probably right. It probably depends on the length of the rna strand. But I never used this argument either for that reason. I just mentioned it was risky on the same merits as crispr cas-9 is risky. Then again cas-9 is not complicated enough, and that is probably the problem.

I do wonder if parts of this new rna technology will be useful in order to change DNA the same way crispr has tried it. With good help from AI of course.

4. I thought we had already agreed on the fact that we already had a dousing or more hpv viruses long before even entering an FKK. So worrying about catching maybe one more strain you randomly had missed previously should probably not be your biggest concern.

Pistons
04-14-21, 19:59
Good for Mursenary that he learnt about be-cells in the heparin induced thrombocytopenia literature I advised him to Google.

At least I can help in programming him into a slightly smarter individual.

Mursenary
04-14-21, 20:02
I'm smart enough to know much smarter people than me are on this little problem. It's not in some dark room with cigars by some elite or CIA / UFO / government cover up / Bill Gates blah blah conspiracy. That's not to say they are not exploiting it economically, but that's another topic.

It would take enormous effort to get collusion of thousands of labs in different countries testing and cross checking. That's why conspiracies are mostly bogus. Incompetence is far more likely.

What has changed is a giant megaphone and social media that enables everyone to be an expert.

The DNA altering conspiracy is absurd.Kinda sums it up. Backroom believers are probably just scared. Of society's winners and losers, for some reason they usually tilt toward the loser camp. Spurned by traditional society, they have failed to successfully "play the game".

Their lives are incomplete and they are unable to come to terms with their mediocrity and failures yet unwilling to do the hard work to improve their positions. Instead, they point their fingers toward a clandestine group malevolently steering society. Same basis for people who constantly blame society's problems on racism, sexism, or immigrants. But I digress.

My theory is that their failures make them so broken that they are uncomfortable with the fact that society's direction is the result of the push and pull of a plurality of groups with varying agendas. I think the idea of backroom elites being in charge actually gives many of them comfort and peace of mind. Others, well they're just starving to be seen as enlightened. Either way, conspiracy theorists seem to lack authentically and genuinely earned self confidence. Besides being broken failures, other common traits in conspiracy theorists: superficial arrogance plus lack of fundamentals.

Side note: Theories that the foundation of life came from extrastellar comets and meteors have more scientific basis than most of these conspiracy theories. Complex organic molecules such as amino acids and lipids have already been found in meteorites. The question of whether these macromolecules were formed prior to the meteorite landing on earth. But that's the difference between conspiracy theorists and actual scientific minded people: these theories stay theories until consistently proven and results replicated instead of asserting them as facts without sufficient proof..

As for viruses, it's a popular theory that they are the first stepping stones to life on earth if not considered lifeforms themselves. "Nothing wrong with viruses," is a whole other belief. They're competing to exist just like any other "life form". That means that while the vast majority are harmless, the rest are more often parasitic than beneficial. Same with bacteria, most are harmless, even gut and epidermal bacteria are essential for good health. But I'm not sure one would say that there is "nothing wrong" with them, a little misleading. Just being philosophical I guess.

Pistons
04-14-21, 20:24
I can tell because it doesn't seem like our nurse here knows that be-cells are a type of white blood cells.

Sirioja
04-14-21, 20:31
No matter how good a driver you are, when on a public road, you cannot ensure that others on the road are also paying attention. Same for random animals, pot holes, etc. Defensive driving 101.There is no good driver. According to insurances, there are drivers who don't crash, maximum bonus for me when I m over ranked for kilometers I drive, and those who crash who pay more expensive and have problems with insurance. I prefer to take my time with girls, to control on the edge to make pleasure longer and higher, but when I started ski before 3 yo, I love speed and adrenaline since I was a child. I really have to make big efforts in Switzerland, braking all along, when stress is important crashes cause, when I relax in Germany when free speed, or in Italy where they have car culture. I rent a car on my first US visit, but never on others, except in Bonneville, impossible for me to drive so slow, faster to walk.

Mursenary
04-14-21, 20:45
Mursenary points to birth control ratios to COVID. For clarity, I compared Cerebral Sinus venous blood clot incidence in people taking widely used oral contraceptives to CSVT in people who received the vaccine.

Contraceptive group:

27 per million within 2 weeks of starting medication.

JnJ group:

0. 85 per million within 2 weeks of vaccination.

General population:

4 per million annually.

The point was to put perspective on the JnJ headlines.

Mursenary
04-15-21, 00:02
Conspiracy theorists can't read, make too many assumptions.

Obviously B_Cells are white blood cells. Things we learned in 9th grade.

Mursenary
04-15-21, 00:04
There is no good driver. According to insurances, there are drivers who don't crash, maximum bonus for me when I m over ranked for kilometers I drive, and those who crash who pay more expensive and have problems with insurance. LEnsure and Insure are two different words.