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ShooBree
04-25-20, 16:56
Today I am happy that I have both a UK and Swedish passport. I have stayed in Sweden for the last 2 months so I have avoided the UK lockdown. UK is in a bit of mess battling this but Swedens strategy is terrible in my opinion. It is saved because of the low density of population. Hope Sharks make it so I can go in December, Screw the rest of the clubs.You say that the Swedish strategy is terrible at the same time as you actively have chosen to stay there over the UK. It makes no sense at all. But to be honest, Sweden had the opportunity to stay in lockdown for a month, two or even up to four considering our low national debt. The government was too cheap to do that.

Too bad though that the lockdowns aren't working out especially well in Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, UK, USA, Switzerland and Ireland.

Pistons
04-25-20, 17:52
I agree. And I think more and more countries will adopt the Swedish model.

I fear who just want to vaccinate us with some hybrid virus that will make us half sick and ruin our immune systems for the rest of our lives. So funk that!

Better just take the blunt and come out on the other side stronger. If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.

We probably won't get enough antigens from just one period with the virus. But after 3 or 4 we will see immunity get quite good! So many people will just have to die in the next years.

BigBuddy69
04-25-20, 20:21
Yes, catching and recovering = immune.

Definitely.

WHO and China spread fake news that there is no immunity.

But there is a Hidden Agenda.

China WANTS the U.S. and Europe to lock-down, so China can gain economic advantages..Of course, that's why they have been in lockdown too, they wanted to give economic advantages. That's so logic.

Following your logic, maybe you Swedish people are the one with an agenda with your 'no lockdown' strategy.

DasBooty
04-25-20, 20:41
Today I am happy that I have both a UK and Swedish passport. I have stayed in Sweden for the last 2 months so I have avoided the UK lockdown. UK is in a bit of mess battling this but Swedens strategy is terrible in my opinion. It is saved because of the low density of population. Hope Sharks make it so I can go in December, Screw the rest of the clubs.The Swedish strategy based on minimal restrictions is terrible but yet you stay to enjoy it.

Sirioja
04-25-20, 21:35
Do you know that each Asian nations are different?

Like Kyoto is by far more beautiful than Paris, more safe, more clean as well with better food, but it is different, I like Paris, but I am saying it is over hyped with not good quality, it is more marketing based city, that is Paris.

Where as Japan, Tokyo and Kyoto etc. We don't do marketing much, foreign people did marketing for me and hey it was mostly french fashion industry people who loved Japan and did marketing for us by word of mouth based on quality.

I recommend to be more culturally aware and travel bit more and learn that Asia is not country LOL. There are Japan, China, Thailand, Indonesia etc etc. And they are all completely different.

I am very well traveled, well educated, well cultured guy and I know all European nations are different, and I have been to most European nations both west and east, so learn that Asia is continent and not one country LOL.

France and Japan are actually two biggest partner for most highest culture, it is too sad that in France, only top people in fashion industry and politicians and such knows about this and working class citizens are still limited on knowledge about high quality of Japanese culture even with food you don't know LOL.Don't you know I'm a cheap french guy sleeping in his car to pay FKK entry to eat good foods, but under crisis I'm at work and pay tax for my country when many don't work. What I'm sure is I don't know much of Japan, but you don't know France nor Paris. I learned at school Japan and China are not friends. When I don't like a country or culture, I don't go. Despite crisis, I will run to Italy I love for my holidays, to eat daily pasta, like all along the year, but in Italy, I eat for breakfast, lunch and diner. I think I m only European and wish Western Europe will learn from this crisis and become again more independent for our safety.

Pistons
04-25-20, 21:39
Because you think catching and recovering make immune? Not so sure for weakest. I think we have to live with this virus risk now, kind of Russian roulette.Or Chinese roulette.

Mr Ho
04-25-20, 23:19
Because you think catching and recovering make immune? Not so sure for weakest. I think we have to live with this virus risk now, kind of Russian roulette.It is just that certain part of Europe and USA did not have good medical system enough and also let the situation destroy their medical system, so they could not treat patients with heavy symptoms in hospitals without enough medicines and medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lung to the extent doctors had to decide who they give these machines too.

If it is in stage of mild symptom within 6 weeks of infections, Avigan can fix you unless you don't have diabetes or cancer or some heavy diseases.

Death rates could have been controlled where as infection rate with this disease is very hard to control as it is easily infected.

In big part, it is typical western ignorance thinking they know it all from the past, even with mask they did not listen till recently.

Mr Ho
04-25-20, 23:28
I agree. And I think more and more countries will adopt the Swedish model.

I fear who just want to vaccinate us with some hybrid virus that will make us half sick and ruin our immune systems for the rest of our lives. So funk that!

Better just take the blunt and come out on the other side stronger. If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.

We probably won't get enough antigens from just one period with the virus. But after 3 or 4 we will see immunity get quite good! So many people will just have to die in the next years.You were criticizing Swedish model before and now news says it begin to show effect and you turn your opinion? LOL.

Swedish model is radical model, which I always said they are smart and they know what they are doing, but it is with too much risk and human life cost too, the best is balanced model. Don't lock it down totally, don't test everybody to keep medical care system active and working for rainy day to come to control death rate.

The most important thing is to save people from dying and without hospitals working properly and no life supporting equipment, medicines like Avigan, artificial lung etc. It will be hard to save people from dying.

Anyways, summer is around corner, so let hope weather may fix the situation temporary. Some claim it can, some say it won't, but time will tell.

Mr Ho
04-25-20, 23:48
How can you say that if Japan has one of the lowest if not the lowest Muslim percentage of total population among major countries in the world. Plus, it is not difficult to find reports on Japan trying to avoid Muslim immigrants as much as possible over the past years. On the other hand, why don't you ask the admin to open a sub-forum here which is called: Japan is great.We avoid immigrant in general as it is not good for nation, but we take in some that are chosen arguably. We do not want to experience what happened to Europe, we prefer to do it more control to choose right people.

However, we have many Iranian immigrants by the way and Turkish.

No I don't need to ask, Japan is one of the best reputed nation in the world and this is just based on plain fact. But it is for more intelligent people.

Polyamorist
04-25-20, 23:59
If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.That's what Thanos said. And look what happened to him. Except his figure was 50%. Imagine the economic fallout from that. Yeah we have it lucky.


Of course, that's why they have been in lockdown too, they wanted to give economic advantages. That's so logic
When news of the Wu-flu came out in February, these two possibilities immediately popped into my head:

1. It was started by the US to create chaos in China.

2. It was started by China because they knew they could survive it, but it would target the biggest weakness of their biggest rival: the health system.

It's sort of like when the US started feminism within their own borders because they figured they could survive it but once it spread to other countries those cultures would be hopelessly eroded. The UK is a good example.

Sirioja
04-26-20, 00:00
Or Chinese roulette.Yes, my mistake. But I often dream about mysterious Russia.

Sirioja
04-26-20, 00:06
Yes, catching and recovering = immune.

Definitely.

WHO and China spread fake news that there is no immunity.

But there is a Hidden Agenda.

China WANTS the U.S. and Europe to lock-down, so China can gain economic advantages.

New BIG immunity test undertaken in Stockholm will be presented in news tomorrow.

I will then link.

Provisonal estimates show "considerably higher immunity" than Chinese tests (2-3 % immune = fake).French doctors are not so sure about recovering giving immunity, when virus not only attack lungs, but also sometimes blood. I don't think world know much about this unknown virus which can mutate, but would be happy if you were right, because world will already have many deaths and big economic crisis.

Smoothy
04-26-20, 07:03
If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.
It now looks like the actual death rate is more like 0.4%, not 5%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcFcdrqL7GQ

BigBuddy69
04-26-20, 10:41
I agree. And I think more and more countries will adopt the Swedish model.

I fear who just want to vaccinate us with some hybrid virus that will make us half sick and ruin our immune systems for the rest of our lives. So funk that!

Better just take the blunt and come out on the other side stronger. If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.

We probably won't get enough antigens from just one period with the virus. But after 3 or 4 we will see immunity get quite good! So many people will just have to die in the next years.OK. So you're ready to die or to see your family dying?

Or to have your lungs fucked up for the rest of your life?

Mr Ho
04-26-20, 13:34
Or Chinese roulette.Well that Chinese roulette definitely caught up with Spain, Italy and France, most highest death rate nations. It is war level death for these 3 nations.

Pistons
04-26-20, 14:52
OK. So you're ready to die or to see your family dying?

Or to have your lungs fucked up for the rest of your life?Already had it myself.

Pistons
04-26-20, 14:58
It now looks like the actual death rate is more like 0.4%, not 5%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcFcdrqL7GQBut there are different mutations with different severity. And if you get it 3 or 4 times, perhaps some will even die on round 2 or 3 or 4 as well. And finally, it seems to attack people with certain genes harder than others, and many countries don't have the same medical system, nor the same level of wealth. So globally it can still be 5%. Not a single study so far takes even half of these factors into account. And most countries don't even count more than a fraction of the deaths also. They blame other factors.

Pistons
04-26-20, 15:00
That's what Thanos said. And look what happened to him. Except his figure was 50%. Imagine the economic fallout from that. Yeah we have it lucky.So I am like 10% of Thanos in strength?

Sirioja
04-26-20, 15:17
French doctors are not so sure about recovering giving immunity, when virus not only attack lungs, but also sometimes blood. I don't think world know much about this unknown virus which can mutate, but would be happy if you were right, because world will already have many deaths and big economic crisis.OMS also say really not sure for immunity from recovering. Wait and see after confined finished. 11 May in France with about only 5% who were infected, Germany with now 5500 deaths are preparing second wave. US with 55 000 deaths, go to beaches.

Sirioja
04-26-20, 16:27
It is just that certain part of Europe and USA did not have good medical system enough and also let the situation destroy their medical system, so they could not treat patients with heavy symptoms in hospitals without enough medicines and medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lung to the extent doctors had to decide who they give these machines too.

If it is in stage of mild symptom within 6 weeks of infections, Avigan can fix you unless you don't have diabetes or cancer or some heavy diseases.

Death rates could have been controlled where as infection rate with this disease is very hard to control as it is easily infected.

In big part, it is typical western ignorance thinking they know it all from the past, even with mask they did not listen till recently.If you are not obese, nor diabetic, nor cancer, nor big disease, then you don't have so big risk about virus, so your avigan from Fuiji is useless for me, if you are not weak health, better you recover on your own. When I'm not very sick, I don't take medicine. No proof in France chloroquine really cure virus. I'm sure France and US are not lower medical level than Japan or Germany, but virus is more mirror of society than about medical level. For example: in France, many people kiss people with who they work when they arrive, millions of people can't afford healthcare in US, when Asians are used to masks since before virus. Behavior made the difference versus this virus, much more than medical level. In France, no one died because no free bed, but I thank Germany, Switzerland, Luxemburg and Austria to help us for their 181 beds when a bit improving cases were moved to these countries, to always have free beds for worst cases. Other example: I don't think India or Africa have high medical level and for sure lower than US, France, Spain and Italy, but, and I'm really happy for them when they are so poor and really don't need this crisis, virus seem to prefer to spread when around 10 degrees, not where very cold or very warm, so I'm happy they don't have too many deaths at the moment. I think whole world have to learn from this virus, and yes, France have to be more independent for our health safety, our biggest mistake, when we have best medical level, but so many couldn't be saved, even treated in hospitals with best equipment. Our medical staff was under pressure, now better, but never exploded.

Kartoffel
04-26-20, 16:29
Or to have your lungs fucked up for the rest of your life?That's correct, I am experiencing this particular problem, I hope it gets better with the right treatment.

It is important not to undervalue the consequences of the virus.

Sirioja
04-26-20, 20:37
OMS also say really not sure for immunity from recovering. Wait and see after confined finished. 11 May in France with about only 5% who were infected, Germany with now 5500 deaths are preparing second wave. US with 55 000 deaths, go to beaches.Chinese start to tell what really happened, when they are scared about their politics who hide them the truth, new figure they tell: at least 25.000 deaths only for Wuhan. Far from politics figures below 4000.

Mr Ho
04-26-20, 23:13
If you are not obese, nor diabetic, nor cancer, nor big disease, then you don't have so big risk about virus, so your avigan from Fuiji is useless for me, if you are not weak health, better you recover on your own. When I'm not very sick, I don't take medicine. No proof in France chloroquine really cure virus. I'm sure France and US are not lower medical level than Japan or Germany, but virus is more mirror of society than about medical level. For example: in France, many people kiss people with who they work when they arrive, millions of people can't afford healthcare in US, when Asians are used to masks since before virus. Behavior made the difference versus this virus, much more than medical level. In France, no one died because no free bed, but I thank Germany, Switzerland, Luxemburg and Austria to help us for their 181 beds when a bit improving cases were moved to these countries, to always have free beds for worst cases. Other example: I don't think India or Africa have high medical level and for sure lower than US, France, Spain and Italy, but, and I'm really happy for them when they are so poor and really don't need this crisis, virus seem to prefer to spread when around 10 degrees, not where very cold or very warm, so I'm happy they don't have too many deaths at the moment. I think whole world have to learn from this virus, and yes, France have to be more independent for our health safety, our biggest mistake, when we have best medical level, but so many couldn't be saved, even treated in hospitals with best equipment. Our medical staff was under pressure, now better, but never exploded.It is about Hygiene level. Asia is not clean beside Singapore and Japn and little bit south Korea.

Other thing is that not so much in singapoer and south Korea, but in case of Japan, when you enter home, we take our shoes off at the door, this helped a bit and also our Japanese bath culture, we take bath every single day, so it may help a bit too.

Avigan works within six weeks of infections. Germany is using it now and so as some other nations, and to be honest I imagine France too, I cannot be bother to check. I don't care about corona too much, it is not so big here yet, but it can get worst as we still has 20 % free bed in hospital, but if it get lower and heavy symptom get higher, we can destroy medical care system too, but Avigan is working, so usually it does not go to heavy symptom then death. However, it is not vaccines for this, it is for birdflu originally.

As for your comments about cancers, diabetes, fat people etc. It is minority not all people have that, in France it is over 20000 people dead. This is war level number of people and I don't think it is just because they were all cancer, diabetes or fat etc. It is destruction of medical system. France has same level of medical system as Japan, USA or Germany or similar nations, so 20000 death is because hospital was over loaded with patients, some who did not need to come to hospital. It is rather governments fault as they should have restricted who comes to hospitals and who get tested based on symptom to control the visitors of hospitals.

But hey, we got summer coming, so let see if weather fix it temporary or not.

Polyamorist
04-27-20, 02:45
Well that Chinese roulette definitely caught up with Spain, Italy and France, most highest death rate nations. It is war level death for these 3 nations.But not for everybody. I am really liking the death graphs for Sweden, Switzerland and Swaziland right now. If they can get this under control, they will set an example to the whole world.

Mr Ho
04-27-20, 05:25
But not for everybody. I am really liking the death graphs for Sweden, Switzerland and Swaziland right now. If they can get this under control, they will set an example to the whole world.It is bit too late for that, those nations who focused on death rate as I have been saying from beginning with preferably balanced lock down and not no lock down or total lock down (which did not work due to crazy death rates in those nations who did), did better at saving lives.

Plus it is to do with medical quality, Avigan works for mild symptom, within first 6 weeks since infection, but Japan cannot produce mega amount in just few weeks, but first 5 million pill are to be dispatch to 20 nations in may and it is free, so people in those 20 nations has access to it and it should be cheap as Japan is giving it for free. Our FKK land Germany is using Avigan as well, so may hope some tutes we knows life if they are infected. This is originally made for bird flu and side effect avoidance is for pregnant women. It can be used for old people etc.

There also is another medicine made by USA which is working, but it is strong one which is originally for Ebola, so I don't know the effect on body. But that is also working on mild symptom.

However, in case like these, beside medicine, usually nations do what they believe is best and they won't listen till things are too late. Even with mask, they did not listen saying it did not work based on usual western narrow minded stereo type that are still 50 years ago, mask is not so much to prevent you from getting infected, but it is more for giving virus to other people, it stop that to great extent.

Additionally, not all nations can produce medical equipment, so those nations who cannot produce their own medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lungs etc. Had to deal with limited equipment to extent where doctors had to choose who get those equipment or those who should be left to die.

European nations which had high death rates are not industrial top nations, so they cannot produce these equipment as well. Only few can like Germany and UK, even though Dyson was kicked out by UK government after producing them due to violation of contract LOL. But Dyson will sell it abroad apparently.

Like I said from beginning, focus on controlling death rate as controlling infections are too hard beside locking people to some extent.

Turgid
04-27-20, 12:44
............I fear who just want to vaccinate us with some hybrid virus that will make us half sick and ruin our immune systems for the rest of our lives. So funk that!.............The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.

Canary
04-27-20, 12:57
The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.Please ignore this, fake news and lies.

She is alive and well.

Such rubbish written on this and other sites about Covid-19.

Smoothy
04-27-20, 13:07
But not for everybody. I am really liking the death graphs for Sweden, Switzerland and Swaziland right now. If they can get this under control, they will set an example to the whole world.https://www.westernjournal.com/sweden-official-coronavirus-strategy-keeping-country-open-seems-working/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Downandup
04-27-20, 13:11
The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.This post is so wrong! You have been reading fake news, post a link if you have reason to justify this.

https://fullfact.org/online/elisa-granato-fake/ Shows the newsfeed from BBC.

The Cane
04-27-20, 13:26
This post is so wrong! You have been reading fake news, post a link if you have reason to justify this.

https://fullfact.org/online/elisa-granato-fake/ Shows the newsfeed from BBC.You beat me to it! The Ruskies are going to have another field day this fall. Sigh!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/uk-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-subject-doing-fine-online-death-rumours-elisa-granato

Arnold15
04-27-20, 16:10
20 % of hospital personnel in Stockholm immune.

And this was among people who had "protected" outfit.

Delta Indigo
04-27-20, 16:26
20 % of hospital personnel in Stockholm immune.

And this was among people who had "protected" outfit.Quite interesting, so was there enough PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) in the Swedish medical system? I know in the UK there was a shortage. But they think 20% of all of New York city has had it as well, so the number is not that different even given the different lockdown regimes. I know we are only refering to hospital personnel in Stockholm and not the general population.

But this number can either be much higher than that of the general population, because of exposure or lower since they are taking greater precautions.

However of course New York is a raging epicenter of this pandemic and it is also much more densely populated than Stockholm is.

By immune you are referring to who has tested positive for antibodies, right? I have not read much about this, but a lot of reports seem to indicate that the tests for antibodies are not that reliable, so I hope the actual number is higher so that we do reach herd immunity levels.

Dreams
04-27-20, 16:34
It is no more sparse than Texas.

Sweden has achieved similar results to other European countries -- but without any lockdown at all. Its strategy is herd immunity. If this works, then in a couple of weeks time Sweden will enjoy results considerable better than everyone else. Then the other countries will quietly abandon the concept of lockdown and let the economy run free again.

Inshallah!

By the way this is a great resource to see which countries are in lockdown and which are not:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52103747Respectfully disagree; Sweden has higher death rate in Europe compared to population. Maybe it was a price worth paying, that's another debate.

Dreams
04-27-20, 16:37
The open strategy works very good here in Sweden.

Estimations show that at least 1/3 of population in Stockholm is immune now. Authorities expect that 50 percent will be immune within one month.

There will probably be a second BIG wave of Corona in autumn. Then lock-down countries are unprotected.

Sweden will be protected by heard immunity.Again wrong: Just check what is the percentage of the total population, even in Sweden, has been infected? Below 20 %, when you need 70% for decent "herd immunity" And whether being previously infected does protect is currently not proven. Good luck to my Swedish friends.

Dreams
04-27-20, 16:39
Yes, catching and recovering = immune.

Definitely.

WHO and China spread fake news that there is no immunity.

But there is a Hidden Agenda.

China WANTS the U.S. and Europe to lock-down, so China can gain economic advantages.

New BIG immunity test undertaken in Stockholm will be presented in news tomorrow.

I will then link.

Provisonal estimates show "considerably higher immunity" than Chinese tests (2-3 % immune = fake).Please give us links to your sources. About guaranteed immunity? You are surely working in a top virology lab, I guess.

Dreams
04-27-20, 16:48
It is about Hygiene level. Asia is not clean beside Singapore and Japn and little bit south Korea.

. It is minority not all people have that, in France it is over 20000 people dead. This is war level number of people and I don't think it is just because they were all cancer, diabetes or fat etc. It is destruction of medical system. France has same level of medical system as Japan, USA or Germany or similar nations, so 20000 death is because hospital was over loaded with patients, some who did not need to come to hospital. It is rather governments fault as they should have restricted who comes to hospitals and who get tested based on symptom to control the visitors of hospitals.

But hey, we got summer coming, so let see if weather fix it temporary or not.Absurd comments. Obvioulsy you don't know what "war" levels means. 20000 deaths is I just 5000 more than same period in 2018. So, yes, there was an increase, byt "war level" please.

And is it just fake new that some hospitals in Tokyo are overwhelmed. From a good friend living there since 40 years.

As I said before, I greatly admire Japan, loves (most) Japanese, but you are not one of them, you are just a representative of the small minority who believe they are greater than any other race / human being. GAmbatte Nihon!

Dreams
04-27-20, 16:50
It is bit too late for that, those nations who focused on death rate as I have been saying from beginning with preferably balanced lock down and not no lock down or total lock down (which did not work due to crazy death rates in those nations who did), did better at saving lives.

Plus it is to do with medical quality, Avigan works for mild symptom, within first 6 weeks since infection, but Japan cannot produce mega amount in just few weeks, but first 5 million pill are to be dispatch to 20 nations in may and it is free, so people in those 20 nations has access to it and it should be cheap as Japan is giving it for free. Our FKK land Germany is using Avigan as well, so may hope some tutes we knows life if they are infected. This is originally made for bird flu and side effect avoidance is for pregnant women. It can be used for old people etc.

There also is another medicine made by USA which is working, but it is strong one which is originally for Ebola, so I don't know the effect on body. But that is also working on mild symptom.

However, in case like these, beside medicine, usually nations do what they believe is best and they won't listen till things are too late. Even with mask, they did not listen saying it did not work based on usual western narrow minded stereo type that are still 50 years ago, mask is not so much to prevent you from getting infected, but it is more for giving virus to other people, it stop that to great extent.

Additionally, not all nations can produce medical equipment, so those nations who cannot produce their own medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lungs etc. Had to deal with limited equipment to extent where doctors had to choose who get those equipment or those who should be left to die..Please give us a link to the clinical tral proving that Avigan works. For the record 99.5% of all people inflected recover without any treatment. So does your miracle drug increase to, what, 99.9%.

Dreams
04-27-20, 16:51
Please ignore this, fake news and lies.

She is alive and well.

Such rubbish written on this and other sites about Covid-19.Sadly true. Would be laughable if not so sad.

Dreams
04-27-20, 16:52
20 % of hospital personnel in Stockholm immune.

And this was among people who had "protected" outfit.20% in people exposed 1000 times more to the virus that you and me.

Turgid
04-27-20, 18:27
You beat me to it! The Ruskies are going to have another field day this fall. Sigh!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/uk-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-subject-doing-fine-online-death-rumours-elisa-granatoI've been searching through my fb page to determine which media outlet I got that news item from without success. They must have removed it. A pity as I would like to unfollow whichever it was.

Borrop74
04-27-20, 20:14
20% in people exposed 1000 times more to the virus that you and me.Well done, Dreams!

I really praise your effort to review and correct this and several other arbitrary and incorrect statements written on this subject by fellow forum members.

I agree with all yours, which are based on facts and valid sources.

Sirioja
04-27-20, 20:46
It is bit too late for that, those nations who focused on death rate as I have been saying from beginning with preferably balanced lock down and not no lock down or total lock down (which did not work due to crazy death rates in those nations who did), did better at saving lives.

Plus it is to do with medical quality, Avigan works for mild symptom, within first 6 weeks since infection, but Japan cannot produce mega amount in just few weeks, but first 5 million pill are to be dispatch to 20 nations in may and it is free, so people in those 20 nations has access to it and it should be cheap as Japan is giving it for free. Our FKK land Germany is using Avigan as well, so may hope some tutes we knows life if they are infected. This is originally made for bird flu and side effect avoidance is for pregnant women. It can be used for old people etc.

There also is another medicine made by USA which is working, but it is strong one which is originally for Ebola, so I don't know the effect on body. But that is also working on mild symptom.

However, in case like these, beside medicine, usually nations do what they believe is best and they won't listen till things are too late. Even with mask, they did not listen saying it did not work based on usual western narrow minded stereo type that are still 50 years ago, mask is not so much to prevent you from getting infected, but it is more for giving virus to other people, it stop that to great extent..Unfortunately, UK may be above 40.000 deaths, France now above 30.000, with only 6% infected = 0,8 % death rate, with 80% older than 70. US don't really know about millions without insurance and illegals, but poverty kill. I confirm figures are not so much about medical power and potential, but much more about how we live, really mirror for society. Asians already experienced and are used to masks, but we will discover more reliable figures in China. Not so sure recovering make immunity for some, but we will judge in future.

Delta Indigo
04-27-20, 21:34
20% in people exposed 1000 times more to the virus that you and me.That is what I think as well, in that case the optimistic projections of herd immunity by having this relaxed lockdown policy did not come to fruition. If you actually look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and then sort by deaths per 1 M population, the death rate in Sweden is actually not low relatively speaking, it is higher in some European countries but in most of these cases the countries were far more densely populated or affected on a larger scale much earlier on when the severity of the pandemic was not sufficiently recognized.

I actually hope that most estimates of the number of people with antibodies are undercounts since the testing for antibodies does not seem sufficiently reliable, I do hope it is an undercount not an over estimate.

However this death toll has not resulted in higher levels of immunity based upon just this figure alone, maybe there is more to this than the figure above.

Sirioja
04-27-20, 21:51
It is about Hygiene level. Asia is not clean beside Singapore and Japn and little bit south Korea.

Other thing is that not so much in singapoer and south Korea, but in case of Japan, when you enter home, we take our shoes off at the door, this helped a bit and also our Japanese bath culture, we take bath every single day, so it may help a bit too.

Avigan works within six weeks of infections. Germany is using it now and so as some other nations, and to be honest I imagine France too, I cannot be bother to check. I don't care about corona too much, it is not so big here yet, but it can get worst as we still has 20 % free bed in hospital, but if it get lower and heavy symptom get higher, we can destroy medical care system too, but Avigan is working, so usually it does not go to heavy symptom then death. However, it is not vaccines for this, it is for birdflu originally.

As for your comments about cancers, diabetes, fat people etc. It is minority not all people have that, in France it is over 20000 people dead. This is war level number of people and I don't think it is just because they were all cancer, diabetes or fat etc. It is destruction of medical system. France has same level of medical system as Japan, USA or Germany or similar nations, so 20000 death is because hospital was over loaded with patients, some who did not need to come to hospital. It is rather governments fault as they should have restricted who comes to hospitals and who get tested based on symptom to control the visitors of hospitals.

But hey, we got summer coming, so let see if weather fix it temporary or not.Arithmetic: only about 6% infected in France = 4 millions, can become a problem after confined on 11 May, about 30.000 deaths unfortunately = 0,8 % death rate. 80 % older than 70 and 67% of others had disease making weak to virus, so around 2000 deaths with no reason known before virus. Some make violent reaction under virus. Unfortunately, like in US or UK, we are discovering more and more obese and diabetic in France, under MacDo and Cola, weak versus virus. France never missed free beds, moving improving cases to make free for worst cases. 181 were moved out of France. No proof chloroquine is efficient versus virus, I don't hear about avigan in France, but most of deaths were not so healthy before virus. I think being healthy is best medicine versus virus, even more efficient than mask. Masks are more not to infect others. Many were infected and didn't even know about.

Sirioja
04-27-20, 21:57
Absurd comments. Obvioulsy you don't know what "war" levels means. 20000 deaths is I just 5000 more than same period in 2018. So, yes, there was an increase, byt "war level" please.

And is it just fake new that some hospitals in Tokyo are overwhelmed. From a good friend living there since 40 years.

As I said before, I greatly admire Japan, loves (most) Japanese, but you are not one of them, you are just a representative of the small minority who believe they are greater than any other race / human being. GAmbatte Nihon!I think smoking kill about 70/000 per year in France. I was surprised nicotine could protect versus virus which not develop so fast for smokers.

ShooBree
04-27-20, 23:09
Again wrong: Just check what is the percentage of the total population, even in Sweden, has been infected? Below 20 %, when you need 70% for decent "herd immunity" And whether being previously infected does protect is currently not proven. Good luck to my Swedish friends.It can't be easy living life in fear. I feel sorry for the rest of you that are imprisoned in your own homes thanks to a failed lockdown by politicians that are afraid to lose the next election.

ShooBree
04-27-20, 23:53
That is what I think as well, in that case the optimistic projections of herd immunity by having this relaxed lockdown policy did not come to fruition. If you actually look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and then sort by deaths per 1 M population, the death rate in Sweden is actually not low relatively speaking, it is higher in some European countries but in most of these cases the countries were far more densely populated or affected on a larger scale much earlier on when the severity of the pandemic was not sufficiently recognized.

I actually hope that most estimates of the number of people with antibodies are undercounts since the testing for antibodies does not seem sufficiently reliable, I do hope it is an undercount not an over estimate.

However this death toll has not resulted in higher levels of immunity based upon just this figure alone, maybe there is more to this than the figure above.Almost all of Western Europe is worse off than Sweden comparing deaths per million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Netherlands. Ireland and Switzerland are barely better off but paid a big price and it honestly wasn't worth it.

Sweden have counted more deaths outside of hospitals than many other countries. The numbers you are comparing aren't accurate. Which means that you're drawing false conclusions.

In Sweden more people are worried about the economy and we are not willing to sacrifice our economy and quality of life to do a lockdown that haven't produced any good results in other countries.

The countries that have had a lockdown have to open back up, and that's a real challenge!

I honestly don't understand the obsession comparing different countries, especially considering that it's not over yet and there are more factors to take into consideration than the number of deaths. The economy for example.

To wait for a vaccine is rather naive. Throughout human history the weak ones have died, nowadays people want to play God and can't accept the death of people over 70 and other weak humans.

Damn it, did the World go this mad during the HK flu?

ShooBree
04-28-20, 00:00
Respectfully disagree; Sweden has higher death rate in Europe compared to population. Maybe it was a price worth paying, that's another debate.Sweden has a lower death rate than many other countries countries in Europe: Belgium, San Marino, Andorra, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands and the UK. Switzerland and Ireland are barely better off.

McAdonis
04-28-20, 00:44
If you actually look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and then sort by deaths per 1 M population, the death rate in Sweden is actually not low relatively speaking, it is higher in some European countries but in most of these cases the countries were far more densely populated or affected on a larger scale much earlier on when the severity of the pandemic was not sufficiently recognized.In addition to your suggestion to sort by deaths per million, I also sorted by infections per million. Despite the relaxed policy, Sweden's infections per million is lower than most of the larger countries in Western Europe. It could be that Swedish people are just more disciplined when it comes to isolating themselves, despite businesses being open. California is on lockdown, but just this past weekend there were huge crowds at Newport Beach. But as you said, Sweden is densely populated, relatively remote, and was affected later.

Delta Indigo
04-28-20, 01:16
Almost all of Western Europe is worse off than Sweden comparing deaths per million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Netherlands. Ireland and Switzerland are barely better off but paid a big price and it honestly wasn't worth it.

Sweden have counted more deaths outside of hospitals than many other countries. The numbers you are comparing aren't accurate. Which means that you're drawing false conclusions.

In Sweden more people are worried about the economy and we are not willing to sacrifice our economy and quality of life to do a lockdown that haven't produced any good results in other countries.

The countries that have had a lockdown have to open back up, and that's a real challenge!

I honestly don't understand the obsession comparing different countries, especially considering that it's not over yet and there are more factors to take into consideration than the number of deaths. The economy for example.

To wait for a vaccine is rather naive. Throughout human history the weak ones have died, nowadays people want to play God and can't accept the death of people over 70 and other weak humans.

Damn it, did the World go this mad during the HK flu?I posted the link, just check the figures yourself, sort by deaths per million. Look at Germany, Austria, Switzerland is lower but lets take a country with a similar known infection count and a strict lockdown regime, Czechia, it has a dramatically lower death rate.

All you have to do is sort by that column on the graph, most of Western Europe has a lower mortality rate per population which is what you would expect with a more relaxed lockdown regime.

If herd immunity is actually happening more quickly because of this, there would be a plausible argument for this. But this hasn't been established yet.

Mr Ho
04-28-20, 01:36
Unfortunately, UK may be above 40.000 deaths, France now above 30.000, with only 6% infected = 0,8 % death rate, with 80% older than 70. US don't really know about millions without insurance and illegals, but poverty kill. I confirm figures are not so much about medical power and potential, but much more about how we live, really mirror for society. Asians already experienced and are used to masks, but we will discover more reliable figures in China. Not so sure recovering make immunity for some, but we will judge in future.As I mentioned former communist states like China, Russia or current communist state like north Korea cannot be trusted, in political arena in slung term, these nations are known as red team and they often openly lie even in foreign affairs field.

Mr Ho
04-28-20, 01:41
Arithmetic: only about 6% infected in France = 4 millions, can become a problem after confined on 11 May, about 30.000 deaths unfortunately = 0,8 % death rate. 80 % older than 70 and 67% of others had disease making weak to virus, so around 2000 deaths with no reason known before virus. Some make violent reaction under virus. Unfortunately, like in US or UK, we are discovering more and more obese and diabetic in France, under MacDo and Cola, weak versus virus. France never missed free beds, moving improving cases to make free for worst cases. 181 were moved out of France. No proof chloroquine is efficient versus virus, I don't hear about avigan in France, but most of deaths were not so healthy before virus. I think being healthy is best medicine versus virus, even more efficient than mask. Masks are more not to infect others. Many were infected and didn't even know about.Well French food are pretty creamy and rich in butter and yeah maybe on top of that arrival of American food has helped to make people diabetics, but just death numbers are crazy, it is war level death rate.

There also is speculation, like in Japan, when we are born, it is mandatory to take BCG vaccines by force, so there is speculation that it has something to do with not making condition worst if you are infected with corona virus.

Bottom line is nobody knows, and we have avigan and one more medicine till vaccines arrives in about 1.5 years they say, and both medicines at least avigan is in mass production right now and also hopefully weather in summer may calm corona down a bit, so fingers cross and stay home.

Whatta strange era we get to experience.

Mr Ho
04-28-20, 03:41
Absurd comments. Obvioulsy you don't know what "war" levels means. 20000 deaths is I just 5000 more than same period in 2018. So, yes, there was an increase, byt "war level" please.

And is it just fake new that some hospitals in Tokyo are overwhelmed. From a good friend living there since 40 years.

As I said before, I greatly admire Japan, loves (most) Japanese, but you are not one of them, you are just a representative of the small minority who believe they are greater than any other race / human being. GAmbatte Nihon!Learn to read carefully LOL. Hospitals in Japan are not over loaded, we still have about 20 % bed kept free for second wave of pandemic, we are very prepared race. I was referring to hospitals in some western nations being over whelmed and their health care system no longer functioning due to not enough equipment. Hospitals in Japan are fine because we controlled people allowed to be admitted to hospitals to protect medical care system and also first step of aid for mild symptom here is immune system and lock down in house or hotel, then if lung begin to show the slight danger then we use avigan, which seems to work within 6 weeks.

As for Avigan, you research yourself, I cannot be bother to educate you, but for instance Germany is using it as their choice of medicine, it is just that we are producing it for world now, it takes sometime, and first dispatch is in May as I mentioned for free, and it is to selected 20 nations Germany included. You are very white centric, Japan has one of leading medical knowledge, know how, track record, companies and related in world, so if you or your loved ones get infected, I recommend Avigan if you are not pregnant, it is on the way, but it is not cure, it is to prevent you from getting worst and it is working here. But do what you want, Japan is taking international responsibility as we have since day one of this pandemic which we had before west because China is right next to Japan.

Mr Ho
04-28-20, 03:46
I posted the link, just check the figures yourself, sort by deaths per million. Look at Germany, Austria, Switzerland is lower but lets take a country with a similar known infection count and a strict lockdown regime, Czechia, it has a dramatically lower death rate.

All you have to do is sort by that column on the graph, most of Western Europe has a lower mortality rate per population which is what you would expect with a more relaxed lockdown regime.

If herd immunity is actually happening more quickly because of this, there would be a plausible argument for this. But this hasn't been established yet.Mortality rate per population is actually more important than just death rate, but death rates in Europe are war level numbers as if they did not care enough if these people die or did not take it seriously or not organized enough, which resulted in such war level death rates.

Sirioja
04-28-20, 08:16
Absurd comments. Obvioulsy you don't know what "war" levels means. 20000 deaths is I just 5000 more than same period in 2018. So, yes, there was an increase, byt "war level" please.

And is it just fake new that some hospitals in Tokyo are overwhelmed. From a good friend living there since 40 years.

As I said before, I greatly admire Japan, loves (most) Japanese, but you are not one of them, you are just a representative of the small minority who believe they are greater than any other race / human being. GAmbatte Nihon!If You write about France, Macron used word war when confined was decided. A German politics answered it was not war because nobody kill others. But killer virus. When we know Chinese figures are not reliable, but Chinese start to tell what they saw, and they were not informed about what really happened, new figures now about 25000 deaths only for Wuhan. But in any country, figures at the moment are only deaths known from healthcare, not all those who died at home, will need time to know for them. For example in France, a 92 yo woman with weak health caught virus, her doctor decided not to send her to hospital, because he knew she couldn't not resist, he thought it was better to let her die at home in her bed. Many who arrived in hospitals were too weak to be saved, lungs were killed. In US, so many with no insurance, so many lost job and insurance, so many illegals, who won't go to healthcare, so I trust much more US than Asia, but how could they really know how many deaths? Future will tell for Asian, not only Chinese, figures, when world will reopen, I don't know when, but for sure before Olympics to come. When small NL and Sweden decided not to kill their economy, I don't know for them, but I'm afraid many will die or fall in poverty from economic crisis where we are falling from no tourism, even not in Amsterdam for coffee shops or Stockholm, no transport, Air France need billions from France, KLN need from NL, Lufthansa need from Germany, I think US help US airlines for about 50 billions USD, no car sold, even no Volvo, construction nearly stopped. Unemployment growing, poverty growing, this will also kill in future, maybe more than virus.

Pistons
04-28-20, 10:46
Well, I just thought this was interesting:

http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/vimeo-bans-documentary-exposing-big-pharmas-influence-within-the-world-health-organization/

I do not think covid 19 is harmless. But I know the vaccine will be worse.

Mr Ho
04-28-20, 13:10
Almost all of Western Europe is worse off than Sweden comparing deaths per million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Netherlands. Ireland and Switzerland are barely better off but paid a big price and it honestly wasn't worth it.

Sweden have counted more deaths outside of hospitals than many other countries. The numbers you are comparing aren't accurate. Which means that you're drawing false conclusions.

In Sweden more people are worried about the economy and we are not willing to sacrifice our economy and quality of life to do a lockdown that haven't produced any good results in other countries.

The countries that have had a lockdown have to open back up, and that's a real challenge!

I honestly don't understand the obsession comparing different countries, especially considering that it's not over yet and there are more factors to take into consideration than the number of deaths. The economy for example.

To wait for a vaccine is rather naive. Throughout human history the weak ones have died, nowadays people want to play God and can't accept the death of people over 70 and other weak humans.

Damn it, did the World go this mad during the HK flu?France, Italy and Spain are the worst three for medical system when it comes to crisis management. Death rates in these nations are just unbelievable to call themselves civilized nation, it is war level death rates in those nations.

Sad, but crazy how they managed to mess up so good.

Arnold15
04-28-20, 13:31
20% in people exposed 1000 times more to the virus that you and me.No.

I am much more exposed than personnel (this means All persoennel at hospital), since I travel with Metro, go in shops, and walk among people etc, without any protection at all.

Downandup
04-28-20, 13:51
It's important to know that each country is counting Coronavirus deaths using their own different methodology and at varying pace.

Look at Belgium which has the highest death rate around the world - 631 per million. But they are also being very aggressive in counting anyone who could possibly have died from Coronavirus and count everyone who died everywhere.

Compare that to the UK where it's 317 deaths per million but that only counts those who have died in hospital. It does not count those who have died of coronavirus in rest homes or in the community. Also the Office of National Statistics latest report is up to April 17 as it takes time for death certificates to be recorded. It reports that deaths are double the five year average. So not all deaths that could be related to coronavirus are being counted. The real death toll in the UK could be 45,000 and still be climbing.

Then there are counties where pneumonia deaths are unusually high but there's been few deaths from coronavirus.

I'm using this link for the reporting: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/.

Delta Indigo
04-28-20, 14:26
It's important to know that each country is counting Coronavirus deaths using their own different methodology and at varying pace.

Look at Belgium which has the highest death rate around the world - 631 per million. But they are also being very aggressive in counting anyone who could possibly have died from Coronavirus and count everyone who died everywhere.

Compare that to the UK where it's 317 deaths per million but that only counts those who have died in hospital. It does not count those who have died of coronavirus in rest homes or in the community. Also the Office of National Statistics latest report is up to April 17 as it takes time for death certificates to be recorded. It reports that deaths are double the five year average. So not all deaths that could be related to coronavirus are being counted. The real death toll in the UK could be 45,000 and still be climbing.

Then there are counties where pneumonia deaths are unusually high but there's been few deaths from coronavirus.

I'm using this link for the reporting: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/.This is true, statistics are tricky, and it is hard to equate them 100 percent. In your example, Belgian is an outlier in how it counts its mortality rate, I had read about this and this explains why Belgium's rate is much higher than the Netherlands. However most of the measures are broadly similar and when you see compare outliers you can notice interesting things.

This pandemic has taught us a lot, for example, the German health care system is far more effective than that of France, Italy, Spain and the UK. I am now comparing large countries, the mortality rate figures do not use the exact same methodology, but the numbers are so far apart it is very hard to deny that the Germans have handled this very well.

I like comparing like for like and not completely different countries for the reasons you quoted. In this way it is interesting to note why Belgium's figures were so high and you are right, it is not indicative of policy or its health care system. I was also interesting to compare Switzerland and Austria, Austria has handled this quite a bit better than Switzerland, which has a private health care system, you can draw your own conclusions but I have long thought that the public system in German and Austria is a lot better than the private on in Switzerland. However the private system in Switzerland seems to be a hell of a lot better than the public one in the UK.

About the different lock down regimes, Switzerland has a relatively lax one and Czechia has a very strict one and the statistics will show glaring differences. When you compare countries you do have to be careful and I have had a keen interest in Statistics for over 30 years and I try to be careful.

I am surprised by the slow progression of the disease in Japan given the population density it has, but even though I do not find our infamous Japanese's mongers explanation convincing, it does sound like a nationalist diatribe, however I think he has a point that social distancing is a cultural norm anyhow in Japan and that is what is keeping the numbers down. For sure their statistics might not be comparable, but the discrepancies are too large.

But if you do not compare countries, then how could you ever infer the difference in outcomes from different policies?

Turgid
04-28-20, 15:05
.....................Damn it, did the World go this mad during the HK flu?The Hong Kong flu killed over one million people world wide. It struck in two waves with the second wave being worse than the first. It first struck in 1968 and finally completely subsided in 1972. I remember it well I was a teenager back then. I remember there being a lot of talk about it but it was no big deal. Within two weeks of its emergence in July in Hong Kong, some 500,000 cases of illness had been reported. The summer Olympics was held in Mexico in October,1968. Woodstock (crowd of over 400,000), which I wanted to attend was in 1969 but my parents wanted me to come with the family on Caribbean cruise which we did in the summer of that year.

I think the difference between back then and now is firstly, there are many more people in the world today and international travel is greater now so that disease spread is easier and more rapid. Furthermore the world is much more politicized now and leaders retaining their position in government is highly dependent on containing the virus within their respective countries. Sweden's approach is worth study and reminiscent of 1968-70; what is interesting is that its death rate via covid 19 is less than most other European countries with severe lockdowns.

Downandup
04-28-20, 15:31
Singapore University of Technology and Design has a set of predictions on when coronavirus might end worldwide and for many counties.

https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg/when-will-covid-19-end

Dreams
04-28-20, 15:47
I think smoking kill about 70/000 per year in France. I was surprised nicotine could protect versus virus which not develop so fast for smokers.Nicotine may protect smokers against the risk to catch it. One does not know yet really how good and efficient is this protection, and how much you need to have smoked.

But what is 100% sure is that once a smoker gets it, his risks of having severe pneumonia and death are much higher. Based on hose facts, everyone can choose and decide what to do or not to do.

Dreams
04-28-20, 15:54
It can't be easy living life in fear. I feel sorry for the rest of you that are imprisoned in your own homes thanks to a failed lockdown by politicians that are afraid to lose the next election.Not sure how this relates to my post.

But if you had been in Bergamo end of March you may have changed your mind.

Anyway, I have worked in Sweden many years, and know well the Swedish mentality, very friendly, I liked my time there, but terribly arrogant, they always know better. I was there when Olof Palme was assassinated. They always thought that this kind of things could never happen in their wonderful free society. And could only happen in the uncivilized parts of the world I. E south of Malmoe. Same about them teaching us, those guys living near the Mediterranean, how we should treat better our North Africans immigrants. Now look at the mess they are in with their own, Malmoe is a no-go area.

Dreams
04-28-20, 15:58
Learn to read carefully LOL. Hospitals in Japan are not over loaded, we still have about 20 % bed kept free for second wave of pandemic, we are very prepared race. I was referring to hospitals in some western nations being over whelmed and their health care system no longer functioning due to not enough equipment. Hospitals in Japan are fine because we controlled people allowed to be admitted to hospitals to protect medical care system and also first step of aid for mild symptom here is immune system and lock down in house or hotel, then if lung begin to show the slight danger then we use avigan, which seems to work within 6 weeks.

As for Avigan, you research yourself, I cannot be bother to educate you, but for instance Germany is using it as their choice of medicine, it is just that we are producing it for world now, it takes sometime, and first dispatch is in May as I mentioned for free, and it is to selected 20 nations Germany included. You are very white centric, Japan has one of leading medical knowledge, know how, track record, companies and related in world, so if you or your loved ones get infected, I recommend Avigan if you are not pregnant, it is on the way, but it is not cure, it is to prevent you from getting worst and it is working here. But do what you want, Japan is taking international responsibility as we have since day one of this pandemic which we had before west because China is right next to Japan.Its not by repeating endlessly the same lies that it make them true.

Still waiting for the scientific links proving efficacy of Avigan, in which patients (young, old, mild, severe).

Dreams
04-28-20, 16:00
Mortality rate per population is actually more important than just death rate, but death rates in Europe are war level numbers as if they did not care enough if these people die or did not take it seriously or not organized enough, which resulted in such war level death rates.Please define "war levels".

Vietnam war? 50000.

Holocaust? 6.000.000.

First WW: 10 Millions.

Japanese invasion of China? (200000 Chinese casualties just in Shanghai).

Dreams
04-28-20, 16:48
But I know the vaccine will be worse.Blessed those who know.

It will be your human right to refuse the vaccine. But it will other's right to stop you travelling if you are not vaccinated. I, for sure would refuse to deal with people like you, and I believe I will be part of a huge majority. And last, of course, as an ICU doctor, I would refuse to treat you, should you come to my unit with respiratory distress.

Dreams
04-28-20, 16:51
No.

I am much more exposed than personnel (this means All persoennel at hospital), since I travel with Metro, go in shops, and walk among people etc, without any protection at all.Did you ever heard about something called "viral charge"? The risk of contamination is proportional to the amount of virus excreted. People who go to hospital are sick, by definition and excrete far more viruses that the 5-10 % who maybe infected in the subway.

Dreams
04-28-20, 16:54
Singapore University of Technology and Design has a set of predictions on when coronavirus might end worldwide and for many counties.

https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg/when-will-covid-19-endInteresting. I mostly agree with it, the only caveat is that all those models are based on the "current " situation staying the same all along. If something change, then it's wrong. For instance, at the beginning of the VIH epidemic, projections were for 8 billions people to die by 2000. But of course, with prevention and treatment being implemented / found, that did not really happen.

Smoothy
04-28-20, 17:12
Nicotine may protect smokers against the risk to catch it.I seriously doubt that to be true.

I had someone tell me the other day that a 20 year old girl died from coronavirus, so the coronavirus is dangerous for young people as well. I asked "did she have any health problems prior to that"? They replied no, no health problems, she was completely healthy.

Later I found out the girl had bad asthma all her life.

My guess is this smoker "study" is also not giving all the details.

Pessimist
04-28-20, 18:30
This is true, statistics are tricky, and it is hard to equate them 100 percent. In your example, Belgian is an outlier in how it counts its mortality rate, I had read about this and this explains why Belgium's rate is much higher than the Netherlands. However most of the measures are broadly similar and when you see compare outliers you can notice interesting things.

This pandemic has taught us a lot, for example, the German health care system is far more effective than that of France, Italy, Spain and the UK. I am now comparing large countries, the mortality rate figures do not use the exact same methodology, but the numbers are so far apart it is very hard to deny that the Germans have handled this very well.

I like comparing like for like and not completely different countries for the reasons you quoted. In this way it is interesting to note why Belgium's figures were so high and you are right, it is not indicative of policy or its health care system. I was also interesting to compare Switzerland and Austria, Austria has handled this quite a bit better than Switzerland, which has a private health care system, you can draw your own conclusions but I have long thought that the public system in German and Austria is a lot better than the private on in Switzerland. However the private system in Switzerland seems to be a hell of a lot better than the public one in the UK.Yeah, the temptation to read to too much from Corona death tolls on nationalistic lines is misleading, sometimes jingoistic and just plain nonsensical. Asian nations have been used to fighting respiratory viruses for a while and took this seriously, locked down very early and prevented deaths. Taiwan, being Chinese Formosa, has had 430 cases in total -- right on China's door step. Just 6 people died, as compared to 385 in Japan -- Japan does have 5 times as many people, but still adjusted per population, Taiwan has fared much better.

Vietnam, another country in the vicinity, has had less than 300 cases and zero deaths. Vietnam has 95 million people, only 31 M less than Japan population. Our friend has a habit of dismissing countries he does not like as showing unreliable data, not believable etc, but I think it is clear that Vietnam and Taiwan have controlled it better. Some reasons are obvious. Their populations are more docile and do not question or flout government rules, lockdowns actually work as intended, infected people were forcibly detained in government facilities in Vietnam when they had the virus, their healthcare facilities were on high alert from the beginning of the outbreak and so on. Yes, the US got caught with its pants down this time but if a vaccine or cure comes, it will be American or German / English or some other Western European. I expect France to also cope well with any future virus breaks, and Italy and Spain to do much better than this one. But if corona deaths are the sole indicators of a country's healthcare system, does anyone think Vietnam has a better one than Italy? Next time you become sick, where would you rather be? Italy or Vietnam?

As for the overall tone about Japan, I pointed out once before that GDP per capita in Japan is $39.2 K, only $5 K more than Italy's and $8,000 less than German per capita GDP and $23 K less than US per capita $62.5 K (World bank -- easily seen o Google search). Our friend countered with China having large GDP only due to large population and missed the point that these are *per capita*; Yes, Japan is an important ally, and is an important country in Asia with some Western democratic values and a good counter to have against rising China. But from American pov, it is China and its strength which is a huge concern to our president, our businesses and our population these days.

Rocky V
04-28-20, 19:02
Singapore University of Technology and Design has a set of predictions on when coronavirus might end worldwide and for many counties.

https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg/when-will-covid-19-endAccording to these projections the end of the epidemic in Germany is expected around 6th June, so on the 7th June we may be able to be hand-in-hand with our favourite girl again on our way to the room! LOL.

Rock.

Clodius1
04-28-20, 22:00
Nicotine may protect smokers against the risk to catch it. One does not know yet really how good and efficient is this protection, and how much you need to have smoked.

But what is 100% sure is that once a smoker gets it, his risks of having severe pneumonia and death are much higher. Based on hose facts, everyone can choose and decide what to do or not to do.I think in USA, Trump has clamped down on the sale of nicotine patches. Maybe just with OTC sales, not sure.

Sirioja
04-28-20, 22:01
Nicotine may protect smokers against the risk to catch it. One does not know yet really how good and efficient is this protection, and how much you need to have smoked.

But what is 100% sure is that once a smoker gets it, his risks of having severe pneumonia and death are much higher. Based on hose facts, everyone can choose and decide what to do or not to do.I was really surprised when heard French doctors, because for me, smoking kill, but not many smokers died from virus, I think only around 15% of deaths, when they should have bad lungs. Maybe also old don't smoke much. I think also more men than women die.

Clodius1
04-28-20, 22:03
The Hong Kong flu killed over one million people world wide. It struck in two waves with the second wave being worse than the first. It first struck in 1968 and finally completely subsided in 1972. I remember it well I was a teenager back then. I remember there being a lot of talk about it but it was no big deal. Within two weeks of its emergence in July in Hong Kong, some 500,000 cases of illness had been reported. The summer Olympics was held in Mexico in October,1968. Woodstock (crowd of over 400,000), which I wanted to attend was in 1969 but my parents wanted me to come with the family on Caribbean cruise which we did in the summer of that year.

I think the difference between back then and now is firstly, there are many more people in the world today and international travel is greater now so that disease spread is easier and more rapid. Furthermore the world is much more politicized now and leaders retaining their position in government is highly dependent on containing the virus within their respective countries. Sweden's approach is worth study and reminiscent of 1968-70; what is interesting is that its death rate via covid 19 is less than most other European countries with severe lockdowns.I survived the second wave as a child. Almost wiped out my family. Affected people of all ages, children and adults. Nasty stuff.

Sirioja
04-28-20, 22:46
Well French food are pretty creamy and rich in butter and yeah maybe on top of that arrival of American food has helped to make people diabetics, but just death numbers are crazy, it is war level death rate.

There also is speculation, like in Japan, when we are born, it is mandatory to take BCG vaccines by force, so there is speculation that it has something to do with not making condition worst if you are infected with corona virus.

Bottom line is nobody knows, and we have avigan and one more medicine till vaccines arrives in about 1.5 years they say, and both medicines at least avigan is in mass production right now and also hopefully weather in summer may calm corona down a bit, so fingers cross and stay home.

Whatta strange era we get to experience.Real French foods didn't change, but more and more MacDo for child, not best for their health, even gift with foods.

Paulie97
04-28-20, 23:14
Sweden's approach is worth study and reminiscent of 1968-70; what is interesting is that its death rate via covid 19 is less than most other European countries with severe lockdowns.Sweden's death rate is much higher than their Nordic neighbors, which given the population profiles makes for the best comparisons.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

I'm not sure why there is such an abundance of Covid-19 misinformation in monger forums. But I'm ready to move on and let the ignorance flourish. Is too much work correcting it all.

Cheers gentleman and stay safe.

Sebastiane
04-28-20, 23:46
Based on the Singaporean data mined study and models (as of 27/4) -- which is updated daily -- the 97%, 99% and 100% end dates of the Covid19 pandemic are:

Germany: 4 May 20; 16 May 20; 6 Aug 20.

Austria: 19-April 20; 29-April 20; 13 Jun 20.

Switzerland: 28 April 20; 9 May 20; 7 July 20.

So if we are optimistic and clubs will be allowed to open once 99% of the Covid19 is over then by mid May all FKKs could be open. If we are pessimistic then mid June FKKs in Austria will open first, then in July in Switzerland and in August Germany.

Link: https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg/when-will-covid-19-end.

Mr Ho
04-29-20, 00:07
Real French foods didn't change, but more and more MacDo for child, not best for their health, even gift with foods.Well French chefs contributed greatly in area of fusion food, but in very good way, there are some contemporary touch to it in positive sense of word and the best one is french and Japanese cuisine combine, I have seen french or Japanese chefs combining both cuisine together like use of miso paste in french food etc.

As for fast food movement like Mac do, burger king, taco bel etc. That is everywhere unfortunately. I like eating good Kobe beef burger or wagyu burger in Japan or even in Europe I find in some places mostly in good hotels or I also like eating good hamburger in Germany actually, but authentic ones, not in Macdo or Burger king.

Mr Ho
04-29-20, 00:10
Its not by repeating endlessly the same lies that it make them true.

Still waiting for the scientific links proving efficacy of Avigan, in which patients (young, old, mild, severe).Google yourself LOL there are plenty. 20 nations are going to use it for treatment including Germany, so I think German government approval is more relevant than your "professional" amateur opinion LOL!

Use google, I am tire of educating you. Google is good tool, do you know it? LOL!

Mr Ho
04-29-20, 00:11
Please define "war levels".

Vietnam war? 50000.

Holocaust? 6.000.000.

First WW: 10 Millions.

Japanese invasion of China? (200000 Chinese casualties just in Shanghai).Numerically, it is at war level, it is war! LOL.

Mr Ho
04-29-20, 00:22
I survived the second wave as a child. Almost wiped out my family. Affected people of all ages, children and adults. Nasty stuff.When I woke up like 20 min ago and read this comment of yours, I thought you are the child who survive covid 19 virus and the child is writing on sex forum LOL But then I noticed it is different virus back in the day LOL!

Mr Ho
04-29-20, 00:24
I was really surprised when heard French doctors, because for me, smoking kill, but not many smokers died from virus, I think only around 15% of deaths, when they should have bad lungs. Maybe also old don't smoke much. I think also more men than women die.There are some report that smoking may prevent dementia too.

Personally I stay away from smoking beside smoking joint in Europe now and then, but even that I stopped, I had my part of fun. If they legalize THC food in Europe, then I will go and eat that for my enjoyment. I would love to go to THC restaurants some fine day. There are some, but not in the nations and area that I frequent.

Mr Ho
04-29-20, 00:28
Not sure how this relates to my post.

But if you had been in Bergamo end of March you may have changed your mind.

Anyway, I have worked in Sweden many years, and know well the Swedish mentality, very friendly, I liked my time there, but terribly arrogant, they always know better. I was there when Olof Palme was assassinated. They always thought that this kind of things could never happen in their wonderful free society. And could only happen in the uncivilized parts of the world I. E south of Malmoe. Same about them teaching us, those guys living near the Mediterranean, how we should treat better our North Africans immigrants. Now look at the mess they are in with their own, Malmoe is a no-go area.I do not find Swedish people arrogant at all, I am sure you may find few that are, but I find Swedish people to be friendly and very fair people, often too fair or try to be so. Maybe your attitude toward them made them defensive that you find them arrogant.

But hey, Sweden is doing good, it is not war level there, it is not war in Sweden!

Where as certain part of Europe is basically at war level death rates with covid 19 and death rate keep on increasing, it is modern day Third world war!

Mr Ho
04-29-20, 00:58
Please define "war levels".

Vietnam war? 50000.

Holocaust? 6.000.000.

First WW: 10 Millions.

Japanese invasion of China? (200000 Chinese casualties just in Shanghai).58300 death in USA, it is more than Vietnam war and it is 58200 death in Vietnam war by the way, respect the victims and get your figures more or less correct and be correct with these thing, not wrong.

You are very wrong as usual. See, very wrong.

Same with mask, just do not listen till it is too late, but I am glad that people are wearing mask in west too finally. It helps.

I am not here to educate you, I am tired of teaching you thing, just get things right, it is not hard to research.

And it is war level death rates, it is not even simple math, it is to with reading numbers, so read numbers correctly and above is one example, just do research yourself and be correct with these thing, it is easy, do not be wrong.

It is war level death rate!

Turgid
04-29-20, 03:06
According to these projections the end of the epidemic in Germany is expected around 6th June, so on the 7th June we may be able to be hand-in-hand with our favourite girl again on our way to the room! LOL.

Rock.According to my original plan I was to leave Germany this month and return in July. Cannot say with certainty whether that will happen. Germany may open up their businesses including clubs by that time but not so sure about FKKs. Even if they open up FKKs will Germany allow non EU nationals into the country? If they allow non EU persons in with an initial two week quarantine I will be willing to accept that as now FKK girls are by far my favorite and others don't do it for me as much.

Sirioja
04-29-20, 04:45
Well French chefs contributed greatly in area of fusion food, but in very good way, there are some contemporary touch to it in positive sense of word and the best one is french and Japanese cuisine combine, I have seen french or Japanese chefs combining both cuisine together like use of miso paste in french food etc.

As for fast food movement like Mac do, burger king, taco bel etc. That is everywhere unfortunately. I like eating good Kobe beef burger or wagyu burger in Japan or even in Europe I find in some places mostly in good hotels or I also like eating good hamburger in Germany actually, but authentic ones, not in Macdo or Burger king.Like most often, you don't seem to understand meaning and for sure you don't know France. At least, I don't claim to know Japan. Before, French ate a lot of French bread, and French meat, and low obesity in France. But since MacDo, Cola, ketchup, more and more obesity which is a disease, making weak versus virus, and unfortunately for more and more children. These facts showed from virus, with many obese in hospitals. Many french are now competing with US.

BigBuddy69
04-29-20, 05:44
Google is good tool, do you know it? LOL!It can even teach you the basic grammar of English.

Sirioja
04-29-20, 05:47
Based on the Singaporean data mined study and models (as of 27/4) -- which is updated daily -- the 97%, 99% and 100% end dates of the Covid19 pandemic are:

Germany: 4 May 20; 16 May 20; 6 Aug 20.

Austria: 19-April 20; 29-April 20; 13 Jun 20.

Switzerland: 28 April 20; 9 May 20; 7 July 20.

So if we are optimistic and clubs will be allowed to open once 99% of the Covid19 is over then by mid May all FKKs could be open. If we are pessimistic then mid June FKKs in Austria will open first, then in July in Switzerland and in August Germany.

Link: https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg/when-will-covid-19-end.Western Europe, at least Germany and France are waiting for second wave when reopening. Only 6% were infected in France because of confined, but 1 new infected can infect 3 others. Risk is under control as long R0 <1 . Now free beds, but not sure will be enough if strong second wave, even always been free beds in whole France. When I don t think can use mask, gloves and 1,5 meter away to fuck girls, big spreading risk in brothels and bringing at home to relatives.

ShooBree
04-29-20, 10:10
Sweden's death rate is much higher than their Nordic neighbors, which given the population profiles makes for the best comparisons.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

I'm not sure why there is such an abundance of Covid-19 misinformation in monger forums. But I'm ready to move on and let the ignorance flourish. Is too much work correcting it all.

Cheers gentleman and stay safe.And it's much lower than in other countries with lockdowns.

Why is it so hard to accept that lockdowns are not especially effective?

I don't understand why people are so set on ineffective methods which brings more harm than good. The goal have to be to live life as normal as possible with people being able to make a living.

ShooBree
04-29-20, 11:23
Not sure how this relates to my post.

But if you had been in Bergamo end of March you may have changed your mind.

Anyway, I have worked in Sweden many years, and know well the Swedish mentality, very friendly, I liked my time there, but terribly arrogant, they always know better. I was there when Olof Palme was assassinated. They always thought that this kind of things could never happen in their wonderful free society. And could only happen in the uncivilized parts of the world I. E south of Malmoe. Same about them teaching us, those guys living near the Mediterranean, how we should treat better our North Africans immigrants. Now look at the mess they are in with their own, Malmoe is a no-go area.No offense, but you came to Sweden because you were tired of making peanuts in your native shithole country and now you what to talk about arrogance? If you want to see real arrogance just look yourself in the mirror.

You have to understand that to us North Europeans there's no difference between you and the North Africans. You are both a burden to us. When will the economist down there learn about setting a balanced budget? You are on the verge of becoming a protectorate of the European Union.

I've always been against the migration to Sweden just as I'm against transferring money to the greedy parasites of Southern Europe. I'm sick of you always begging us for money.

Dreams
04-29-20, 11:46
I seriously doubt that to be true.

I had someone tell me the other day that a 20 year old girl died from coronavirus, so the coronavirus is dangerous for young people as well. I asked "did she have any health problems prior to that"? They replied no, no health problems, she was completely healthy.

Later I found out the girl had bad asthma all her life.

My guess is this smoker "study" is also not giving all the details.What you described is sadly true as well, but has nothing to do with nicotine. In any case, all serious scientists do NOT recommend smoking to prevent COVID infection. Since even if it MAY prevent it in a small number of people, it will still kill far many more.

Dreams
04-29-20, 11:48
According to these projections the end of the epidemic in Germany is expected around 6th June, so on the 7th June we may be able to be hand-in-hand with our favourite girl again on our way to the room! LOL.

Rock.Well, that is what I call ptimist! Wish you were right. But hypocritical politicians will surely put brothels at the bottom of their list.

Dreams
04-29-20, 11:49
I think in USA, Trump has clamped down on the sale of nicotine patches. Maybe just with OTC sales, not sure.Same in France. Only on prescription for those on a course to stop smoking.

Dreams
04-29-20, 11:52
I was really surprised when heard French doctors, because for me, smoking kill, but not many smokers died from virus, I think only around 15% of deaths, when they should have bad lungs. Maybe also old don't smoke much. I think also more men than women die.There is a scientific plausible explanation, I. E the virus and nicotine fight for a spot to land on the lungs. Hence less risks to catch it. But again, it's not foolproof, and, more importantly, once a smoker get sin ICU, his risks of death are higher than non smokers. You are right, smoking kills!

Mr Ho
04-29-20, 12:05
I survived the second wave as a child. Almost wiped out my family. Affected people of all ages, children and adults. Nasty stuff.War level death rate staff! War!

Dreams
04-29-20, 12:05
Sweden's death rate is much higher than their Nordic neighbors, which given the population profiles makes for the best comparisons.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

I'm not sure why there is such an abundance of Covid-19 misinformation in monger forums. But I'm ready to move on and let the ignorance flourish. Is too much work correcting it all.

Cheers gentleman and stay safe.I agree, and also thought of leaving. But I have, unfortunately, more free time than usual, and I find it interesting to see what fake news make it here, and how some people react to them. A snapshot of society, or at least of a subgroup of men who love women and sex.

Dreams
04-29-20, 12:07
Based on the Singaporean data mined study and models (as of 27/4) -- which is updated daily -- the 97%, 99% and 100% end dates of the Covid19 pandemic are:

Germany: 4 May 20; 16 May 20; 6 Aug 20.

Austria: 19-April 20; 29-April 20; 13 Jun 20.

Switzerland: 28 April 20; 9 May 20; 7 July 20.

So if we are optimistic and clubs will be allowed to open once 99% of the Covid19 is over then by mid May all FKKs could be open. If we are pessimistic then mid June FKKs in Austria will open first, then in July in Switzerland and in August Germany.

Link: https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg/when-will-covid-19-end.What is "End date"? I don't think it means no virus whatsoever anywhere.

No chance of anything like an FKK opening before September, IMYO.

Dreams
04-29-20, 12:08
Google yourself LOL there are plenty. 20 nations are going to use it for treatment including Germany, so I think German government approval is more relevant than your "professional" amateur opinion LOL!

Use google, I am tire of educating you. Google is good tool, do you know it? LOL!Google is the best source of fake news. I get mine form scientific papers, to each his own.

Dreams
04-29-20, 12:13
Numerically, it is at war level, it is war! LOL.Very clear indeed? No need to trivialize this. In such case everything is at war level: Traffic accidents, deaths due to smoking etc.

Anyway, dear Mr Ho, I am done with you, and I have shut you out! Be safe anyway!

Mursenary
04-29-20, 20:55
Blessed those who know.

It will be your human right to refuse the vaccine. But it will other's right to stop you travelling if you are not vaccinated. I, for sure would refuse to deal with people like you, and I believe I will be part of a huge majority. And last, of course, as an ICU doctor, I would refuse to treat you, should you come to my unit with respiratory distress.If you're a licensed physician on duty and you refused to treat that patient, you't probably lose your license.

Sirioja
04-29-20, 21:40
58300 death in USA, it is more than Vietnam war and it is 58200 death in Vietnam war by the way, respect the victims and get your figures more or less correct and be correct with these thing, not wrong.

You are very wrong as usual. See, very wrong.

Same with mask, just do not listen till it is too late, but I am glad that people are wearing mask in west too finally. It helps.

I am not here to educate you, I am tired of teaching you thing, just get things right, it is not hard to research.

And it is war level death rates, it is not even simple math, it is to with reading numbers, so read numbers correctly and above is one example, just do research yourself and be correct with these thing, it is easy, do not be wrong.

It is war level death rate!With more than 10 millions illegals, so many without insurance, so many unemployed, I m pretty sure the most powerful country with high medical level, one of the best in the world, except in poor zones when low level hospitals because no money around, should probably reach 100 000 for real figures, when Belgium have the highest deaths rate at the moment. When doctors have to learn a lot about this virus, when countries should learn from virus, I thought I knew green motorbike, but after Chinese killer virus, now Japanese Kawasaki syndrome which is big danger for our children, in UK, Italy and France.

Mr Ho
04-30-20, 00:00
This guy Dreams take this sex forum too seriously LOL. It is sex forum LOL.

Dream on Dreams LOL.

Mr Ho
04-30-20, 00:47
It can even teach you the basic grammar of English.Right, but hey, do you even speak other languages? What is your job? Blue collar level office worker? LOL.

Mr Ho
04-30-20, 01:04
Blessed those who know.

It will be your human right to refuse the vaccine. But it will other's right to stop you travelling if you are not vaccinated. I, for sure would refuse to deal with people like you, and I believe I will be part of a huge majority. And last, of course, as an ICU doctor, I would refuse to treat you, should you come to my unit with respiratory distress.ICU doctor? LOL LOL! Scary how ICU doctor refuse to treat you ! LOL LOL.

Is that even legal? LOL LOL!

Mr Ho
04-30-20, 03:27
With more than 10 millions illegals, so many without insurance, so many unemployed, I m pretty sure the most powerful country with high medical level, one of the best in the world, except in poor zones when low level hospitals because no money around, should probably reach 100 000 for real figures, when Belgium have the highest deaths rate at the moment. When doctors have to learn a lot about this virus, when countries should learn from virus, I thought I knew green motorbike, but after Chinese killer virus, now Japanese Kawasaki syndrome which is big danger for our children, in UK, Italy and France.Japanese Kawasaki syndrome? That is in 80's LOL. What era are you on about and you are just showing your own ignorant and low education taking Asia as a country, it is continent.

Japan by far is more clean than France with better technology, stronger economy, with more manner and hygiene level, this is plain fact, wake up, it is 21st century LOL!

As for America, death rates became more than Vietnam war and it is war level and they have every right to be pissed off at Chinese government, and as for Europe, medical system was not top level in France, Italy and Spain as they like to claim to be, I mean look at this death rates, it is crazy.

BigBuddy69
04-30-20, 05:59
Right, but hey, do you even speak other languages? What is your job? Blue collar level office worker? LOL.A job where I don't write LOL in every sentence like a 13 year old and that I got not because of the big wallet of mommy and daddy.

Sirioja
04-30-20, 08:45
There is a scientific plausible explanation, I. E the virus and nicotine fight for a spot to land on the lungs. Hence less risks to catch it. But again, it's not foolproof, and, more importantly, once a smoker get sin ICU, his risks of death are higher than non smokers. You are right, smoking kills!So smokers don't develop virus? When some others make bad infection reactions when they were not known previously sick, fortunately only few. But smokers have bad lungs and many will die, more than 70000 in France per year, more numerous than from virus. Yesterday finished to kill my mood with now dangerous syndrome from Japan for our children. Really difficult time when I can't care much about brothels and prostitutes.

Delta Indigo
04-30-20, 09:11
War level death rate staff! War!Statistics are a subject matter I have been interested in for over 30 years and I can see from reading this forum how a lot of people are grossly distorting them or misinterpreting them to suit their own preconceptions or arguments. That is in fact what most people do, whether deliberately or by not understanding the nuances involved.

Look, I think a lot of the time people are not being serious but like to engage people in discussions, but in case you are I will address this issue.

Lets look at Vietnam, the 58 000 figure you quote are just US war dead (including not military related deaths) and not the entire toll of the war. The wars actual toll including Vietnamese military and civilian deaths, I am skipping Laos and Cambodia was in excess of 2 million.

Some wars do have low overall casualties, but these are limited conflicts and not fully fledged horrific wars, like the worst we have experienced. I really do not if this was a poor attempt at humor, but the current pandemic is far short of the staggering death tolls of the worst conflicts we have had.

Dreams
04-30-20, 11:04
If you're a licensed physician on duty and you refused to treat that patient, you't probably lose your license.Yes of course, I know and This will obviously never happen. But this was to illustrate that human rights are not black and white: The freedom of one is not superior of the freedom of many more.

Some governments have prohibited children not vaccinated against measles to attend schools (In the UK, measles, who was 100% eradicated is now making a wild comeback.)

Even an antivaccine celebrity, Novak Djokovic, has acknowledged that if he refuses the vaccine against C-19 (if and when we get one, of course) he will not be allowed to travel, let alone compete.

Sirioja
04-30-20, 19:35
Yes of course, I know and This will obviously never happen. But this was to illustrate that human rights are not black and white: The freedom of one is not superior of the freedom of many more.

Some governments have prohibited children not vaccinated against measles to attend schools (In the UK, measles, who was 100% eradicated is now making a wild comeback.)

Even an antivaccine celebrity, Novak Djokovic, has acknowledged that if he refuses the vaccine against C-19 (if and when we get one, of course) he will not be allowed to travel, let alone compete.You have clever writings, but I don't agree with you about same human rights for everyone, unfortunately, in real life, poor don't have same human rights than rich, and I don't think China, north Korea, Russia and even Us have same human rights than in France.

Sirioja
04-30-20, 19:43
Japanese Kawasaki syndrome? That is in 80's LOL. What era are you on about and you are just showing your own ignorant and low education taking Asia as a country, it is continent.

Japan by far is more clean than France with better technology, stronger economy, with more manner and hygiene level, this is plain fact, wake up, it is 21st century LOL!

As for America, death rates became more than Vietnam war and it is war level and they have every right to be pissed off at Chinese government, and as for Europe, medical system was not top level in France, Italy and Spain as they like to claim to be, I mean look at this death rates, it is crazy.Real facts everyone can check are in UK, Italy and France, some of our children are now in danger, at the moment, from Japanese Kawasaki syndrome, this after Chinese virus which kill our old or sick people.

Mr Ho
05-01-20, 01:10
Yes of course, I know and This will obviously never happen. But this was to illustrate that human rights are not black and white: The freedom of one is not superior of the freedom of many more.

Some governments have prohibited children not vaccinated against measles to attend schools (In the UK, measles, who was 100% eradicated is now making a wild comeback.)

Even an antivaccine celebrity, Novak Djokovic, has acknowledged that if he refuses the vaccine against C-19 (if and when we get one, of course) he will not be allowed to travel, let alone compete.Your joke make me laugh LOL! You got good sense of humor doctor LOL!

Mr Ho
05-01-20, 01:12
A job where I don't write LOL in every sentence like a 13 year old and that I got not because of the big wallet of mommy and daddy.I am more richer than you, this is all it matter and hey be more cultural and learn another language if you can. Thanks for your jealousy, it is nicer being safe and educated LOL!

And hey, lose some weight big belly LOL!

Sirioja
05-01-20, 09:12
I am more richer than you, this is all it matter and hey be more cultural and learn another language if you can. Thanks for your jealousy, it is nicer being safe and educated LOL!

And hey, lose some weight big belly LOL!Born poor speak like this, same like Romanian WGs: only money matter. When I started to work, I wanted to become the best and to make a lot of money, I worked more than 70 hours per week, my girlfriends told me I was always at work or with my RS500 Cosworth and they were jealous. Getting older, I lost all my relatives I loved, 10 years ago I died with my girlfriend, she made me promise to find a new woman, to make her become as happy as I made her, when she had a difficult as woman, previous married life, she just wanted I would be happy after her, but I was not able. Now I know I m the best performer in my job, I m not working safe close to heater behind a computer, I'm the best because I take risks and they pay me for this, to have balls to keep on working under virus and I go before my teams even they are mostly foreigners when risk, if I wanted, I could make nearly double money, but I don't care, they will give me bonus for risk, but You don t need money when you are dead, when you dream about FKK, this is kind of failure for me, even I have usually the prettiest in any club and I enjoy playing with some, but I was not able for my promise. What I like is feeling a little bit of my previous life, or when I don't see what is below in La Grave above lake Chancel, narrow sharp icy combes, or skiing between rocks in Verbier or between crevaces on Zermatt Klein Matterhorn or la Grave Girose glacier, or when raining a lot, when You arrive behind a big truck putting big water everywhere, then accelerating to pass it, feeling like in car wash, not seeing anything, sometimes hearing shock noise from big speed difference, all this adrenaline which make You feel a bit alive, is so much more interesting than money for me. I m not a poor Romanian WG, I was lucky not to be born poor, but I think my mother who was the best, would cry a lot if she saw my way of life, but at least I always take care of where she is and not only her. 1 November is a long difficult day for me, since so many years. When I climb, I m only motivated to improve my time, but when I climb to higher than 2500 meters high, I feel closer to the sky, I love so much when I climb Gran San Bernardino from Aosta, of course I like to see Scott ski, my ski, factory, but when higher, very beautiful, long but not too climby and I love clouds in the sky looking like angels, I feel like at home. On last years, I skipped because I didn't have enough time and not the most difficult, more difficult on Swiss side, but I want to climb on this Summer to see angels. This is my biggest wealth for deep inside of me. Money is nothing compare to this.

Sirioja
05-01-20, 10:44
Japanese Kawasaki syndrome? That is in 80's LOL. What era are you on about and you are just showing your own ignorant and low education taking Asia as a country, it is continent.

Japan by far is more clean than France with better technology, stronger economy, with more manner and hygiene level, this is plain fact, wake up, it is 21st century LOL!

As for America, death rates became more than Vietnam war and it is war level and they have every right to be pissed off at Chinese government, and as for Europe, medical system was not top level in France, Italy and Spain as they like to claim to be, I mean look at this death rates, it is crazy.Yes, unfortunately Japanese Kawasaki syndrome is right now in Western Europe, and danger for our children, like Cvirus for our old and sick. Yes, when I was at school, I learned Japan is a small island, close to big China and we had a song from 70's in France about only 600 millions Chinese and now more than double. We all learned about Nagasaki and Hiroshima which was a dirty shameful war, what can become a real war, same like napalm on Vietnam. From what I know about French medical level, even too many deaths, but we have explanations for reasons, for example, like in US, our poorest district where people don't respect confined because they need to work and many social problems, is worst rate, like in US, poverty kill, but if I need again, I will not go elsewhere. I drove from Palace to french border, putting infection everywhere in my blood, to be operated in France, I left hospital on next day to go to work, had to sign a paper to hospital of course, but I could, same for hernie and being put something in my belly, I was with Daria at LR on next day, of course when security came at 4 am to ask to leave, I was stuck in couch with blood going out of scar and couldn't stand up, but my best FKK nurse helped me when I made her even more white skin and turned crazy on that night. Before going to room, I told her I preferred to show her my bloody belly and then she could decide, she became more white than her milky natural skin color, she took key and read 21, so we walked upstairs, not easy for scar, but she mistook reading, when we entered in room 21, a guy was fucking a girl, Daria laughed so much, it was room 12, so 2 stairs to go down to downstairs level, but in room she stopped laughing seeing blood, it was my period, but great time for 2 hours. At the end she asked: You return home now, I answered: I won't be able, I can't move, I can't breathe. So she said: stay with me, rest until closing, she stayed with me. That was her kindness, sweetness, tenderness, she needs love. LR superstar thought she was far above all other girls, even Luana, Amira, Linda, but she knew not above Daria when she saw me looking at her.

BigBuddy69
05-01-20, 11:08
I am more richer than you, this is all it matter and hey be more cultural and learn another language if you can. Thanks for your jealousy, it is nicer being safe and educated LOL!

And hey, lose some weight big belly LOL!1 - that's 'richer' or 'more rich', not 'more richer' (I learnt it when I was 13 yo in a public school).

2 - 'all that matters'.

3 - Rich doesn't mean educated, it just means that mommy and daddy bought your diplomas. To get a glimpse of your education level, one just has to read your numerous posts on this board.

Has anyone with a normal-functioning brain some real intel on the possible reopenings of clubs in Germany?

Chongmal
05-01-20, 16:17
I am more richer than you, this is all it matter and hey be more cultural and learn another language if you can. Thanks for your jealousy, it is nicer being safe and educated LOL!

And hey, lose some weight big belly LOL!Big Buddy, welcome to the AC, Anglophone Club. Actually, I just because I failed the exam. I don't qualify.

Mr Ho, Vietnam was technically a Police Action, not a war. The official number you quote is the one reflecting the active US military members lost in Vietnam. Even if the foreign fighters and civilians are not counted, the number is higher when US government civilians and other US civilians are counted. Even then, the numbers are small compared to the numbers of Korean, Chinese, Filipinos, Americans, Japanese. That were lost in what I consider a single Pacific conflict that lasted from the early 1900's through the mid 1940's. People often forget that there were intercontinental Asian conflicts happening long before Pearl Harbor and continued long after delivery of the Little Boy and the Fat Man. It's obvious that some level of Nationalistic pride still exists. I prefer to let that superiority be determined in a friendly sporting competition such as upcoming Summer Olympics. I hope the Japanese medical pioneers are truly able to find an effective vaccination or treatment COVID-19 by then.

As I said earlier, with exception of the capacity of the ISS, human kind are bound to Earth. Travel advances, international businesses, holiday, etc. Create an environment where a country could be virus free, but suffer a recurrence delivered from a friendly or unfriendly entity outside it's borders.

Downandup
05-01-20, 19:53
News about the lockdown: https://www.wz.de/nrw/corona-drei-stufen-plan-zur-oeffnung-von-gastronomie-und-hotels-in-nrw_aid-50302691?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1588159981.

The plan is for a slow loosening of the lockdown in the next few weeks with hotels allowed to fully open around May 25.

Any plans to drive from England to hit the FKK's is still very premature but this is progress.

Polyamorist
05-01-20, 20:30
Another theory, as put forth by the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/.Remember this? It was about how there just happened to be a big Coronavirus Lab in the Chinese city where the Coronavirus originated. Purely coincidental I'm sure.

Two weeks later, something else is finally revealed to the public. The Coronovirus Lab in China was funded by... nice guy Dr Fauci!

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

The Coronavirus research was considered too dangerous to be conducted in the US. Even the possibility of a leak in China was thought too risky and the Obama administration cut off funding. Then the funding was restored by the Trump administration. Amazing how the news media managed to black all this out for so long.

If we were in a novel, this would be the big plot twist in chapter twenty-three.

The Cane
05-01-20, 20:55
Remember this? It was about how there just happened to be a big Coronavirus Lab in the Chinese city where the Coronavirus originated. Purely coincidental I'm sure.

Two weeks later, something else is finally revealed to the public. The Coronovirus Lab in China was funded by... nice guy Dr Fauci!

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

The Coronavirus research was considered too dangerous to be conducted in the US. Even the possibility of a leak in China was thought too risky and the Obama administration cut off funding. Then the funding was restored by the Trump administration. Amazing how the news media managed to black all this out for so long.

If we were in a novel, this would be the big plot twist in chapter twenty-three.All I know is it's time to eat! It's dinner time everybody! Yum, yum! Hahahahaha! Call me many things, but don't call me late for dinner LOL!

CuriousExplore
05-01-20, 22:38
... Getting older, I lost all my relatives I loved, 10 years ago I died with my girlfriend, she made me promise to find a new woman, to make her become as happy as I made her, when she had a difficult as woman, previous married life, she just wanted I would be happy after her, but I was not able. ... when you dream about FKK, this is kind of failure for me, even I have usually the prettiest in any club and I enjoy playing with some, but I was not able for my promise. What I like is feeling a little bit of my previous life, or when I don't see what is below in La Grave above lake Chance... I m not a poor Romanian WG, I was lucky not to be born poor, but I think my mother who was the best, would cry a lot if she saw my way of life, but at least I always take care of where she is and not only her. 1 November is a long difficult day for me, since so many years....Siri, thank you for sharing these personal stories. I am sorry to hear about these sad experiences, and I hope you find the happiness of your previous life; not just a shadow of it in FKK. Wish you the best.

Sirioja
05-01-20, 23:19
Siri, thank you for sharing these personal stories. I am sorry to hear about these sad experiences, and I hope you find the happiness of your previous life; not just a shadow of it in FKK. Wish you the best.No risk in FKK land. Just have to pay to play, each one own game. Good point is I don t miss so much since 14 March, I have more important things to think about at the moment. I miss much more my real sports. I found and chose one, because different look so easier to manage, to live again what I didn't have enough time for, when blond full GFE Claudia killed my mind with her intense blue eyes, too complicated with her, even lovely real passionate.

Mr Ho
05-02-20, 00:12
1 - that's 'richer' or 'more rich', not 'more richer' (I learnt it when I was 13 yo in a public school).

2 - 'all that matters'.

3 - Rich doesn't mean educated, it just means that mommy and daddy bought your diplomas. To get a glimpse of your education level, one just has to read your numerous posts on this board.

Has anyone with a normal-functioning brain some real intel on the possible reopenings of clubs in Germany?Someone who does not even speak second language is lecturing me LOL. Wow, thanks big belly LOL!

Mr Ho
05-02-20, 00:19
Born poor speak like this, same like Romanian WGs: only money matter. When I started to work, I wanted to become the best and to make a lot of money, I worked more than 70 hours per week, my girlfriends told me I was always at work or with my RS500 Cosworth and they were jealous. Getting older, I lost all my relatives I loved, 10 years ago I died with my girlfriend, she made me promise to find a new woman, to make her become as happy as I made her, when she had a difficult as woman, previous married life, she just wanted I would be happy after her, but I was not able. Now I know I m the best performer in my job, I m not working safe close to heater behind a computer, I'm the best because I take risks and they pay me for this, to have balls to keep on working under virus and I go before my teams even they are mostly foreigners when risk, if I wanted, I could make nearly double money, but I don't care, they will give me bonus for risk, but You don t need money when you are dead, when you dream about FKK, this is kind of failure for me, even I have usually the prettiest in any club and I enjoy playing with some, but I was not able for my promise. What I like is feeling a little bit of my previous life, or when I don't see what is below in La Grave above lake Chancel, narrow sharp icy combes, or skiing between rocks in Verbier or between crevaces on Zermatt Klein Matterhorn or la Grave Girose glacier, or when raining a lot, when You arrive behind a big truck putting big water everywhere, then accelerating to pass it, feeling like in car wash, not seeing anything, sometimes hearing shock noise from big speed difference, all this adrenaline which make You feel a bit alive, is so much more interesting than money for me. I m not a poor Romanian WG, I was lucky not to be born poor, but I think my mother who was the best, would cry a lot if she saw my way of life, but at least I always take care of where she is and not only her. 1 November is a long difficult day for me, since so many years. When I climb, I m only motivated to improve my time, but when I climb to higher than 2500 meters high, I feel closer to the sky, I love so much when I climb Gran San Bernardino from Aosta, of course I like to see Scott ski, my ski, factory, but when higher, very beautiful, long but not too climby and I love clouds in the sky looking like angels, I feel like at home. On last years, I skipped because I didn't have enough time and not the most difficult, more difficult on Swiss side, but I want to climb on this Summer to see angels. This is my biggest wealth for deep inside of me. Money is nothing compare to this.Well I did not born poor, and if you ask me, I respect people who is self made much more by the way because simply, it is much harder that way.

And hey, you got too much media and society norm based image and illusions on life in general. I know many rich people and I tell you the face, most of them are biggest ego centered scam bag in the world, who does not even admit that they are. Personally, I admit most of my fault if any, and I talk trash if I have to, I always have, I always will, I just stopped fighting myself as I was never arrested and I rather not have problem with police for rest of my life.

But like with FKK prostitutes, you should check yourself because you have too much hallucination, you ex girlfriend broke your heart as you said and you seek the treatment basically in FKK which is brothel, I think it is not healthy way to go, it is mental problem, FKK is brothel and it is where you go to have sex, not treatment, well if you want FKK as clinic FKK, then suit your self LOL! But it is not healthy for your head and mind. And so much more mental work for prostitutes, poor prostitutes who has to deal with this treatments of yours LOL!

FKK is brothel and it is not hospital, it is not proper place to go to seek for your misery of failed ex girlfriend of yours as you said.

Sirioja
05-02-20, 07:17
Well I did not born poor, and if you ask me, I respect people who is self made much more by the way because simply, it is much harder that way.

And hey, you got too much media and society norm based image and illusions on life in general. I know many rich people and I tell you the face, most of them are biggest ego centered scam bag in the world, who does not even admit that they are. Personally, I admit most of my fault if any, and I talk trash if I have to, I always have, I always will, I just stopped fighting myself as I was never arrested and I rather not have problem with police for rest of my life.

But like with FKK prostitutes, you should check yourself because you have too much hallucination, you ex girlfriend broke your heart as you said and you seek the treatment basically in FKK which is brothel, I think it is not healthy way to go, it is mental problem, FKK is brothel and it is where you go to have sex, not treatment, well if you want FKK as clinic FKK, then suit your self LOL! But it is not healthy for your head and mind. And so much more mental work for prostitutes, poor prostitutes who has to deal with this treatments of yours LOL!

FKK is brothel and it is not hospital, it is not proper place to go to seek for your misery of failed ex girlfriend of yours as you said.OK, my English may not be the best, even I train hard, writing here, but I don't know what is your second language because most often you don't get the meaning and again on this time. I'm sure for 110% she wanted I would be happy with another, after her. I think she and my mother would be so disappointed to see my new way of life, not about job or ski or climbing, they knew, I don't think so much about a prostitute beauty because they knew I love beauty, but about brothels and I remember my LR girl telling me: this is not a place for you. So I told: OK, so I won't come back, so she said: why? You don't want to see me again? I will miss you. Land of cleverness. At least, like ski or mountains, FKK relax my mind, but when I never had a 6 weeks break since I started with escorts on end of 2010, I'm surprised, I didn't think would be no real missing, I miss much more my real sports and my freedom even getting allowance to move for my job, but not really freedom, I can't go where I want, but if confined saved more than 60000 French, then it s OK for me and at the moment I'm even happy to pay tax because my most important worry at the moment is what will be french economy. I don t worry about french medical level even too many deaths, I won't criticize Macron about virus, because except a German specialist for virus, nobody know much about this virus, and now we have another Asian disease for our children, but I worry a lot Macron didn't learn arithmetic at school. With exploding unemployment, who will pay our bill? When France is number 1 in the World for tourism, a small country above US, China, because of French culture, no tourism, we don't even know if we will go on holidays, and at best, only Western Europeans may come. EU borders should remain closed for a while when US and Asians are big tourism in France. So, brothels are not so important.

BigBuddy69
05-02-20, 08:12
Someone who does not even speak second language is lecturing me LOL. Wow, thanks big belly LOL!I'm french so English is my second language, maybe you didn't get it, too much weed and Viagra in your blood I think.

No you despise poor people because you are a narrow minded rich spoilt brat. Some kind of Japanese Donald Trump. And actually we say 'I wasn't born poor'. You should try to open books (dictionaries for instance) from time to time. Funny how the serial posters here all suffer from heavy psychological disorders.

Dreams
05-02-20, 11:44
You have clever writings, but I don't agree with you about same human rights for everyone, unfortunately, in real life, poor don't have same human rights than rich, and I don't think China, north Korea, Russia and even Us have same human rights than in France.I fully agree. I was not comparing countries, just talking about people in the same country / political system. However, you are right: poor people have always been at the bottom since the dawn of times. And that so in all political systems, communist (poor were having terrible times in the Soviet Union, and still have in Venezuela and Cuba, for instance), but also in our capitalist system, even if I agree that I would rather be living in western Europe or Japan than the Us if I was in the " poor" category.

Dreams
05-02-20, 11:48
Born poor speak like this, same like Romanian WGs: only money matter. When I started to work, I wanted to become the best and to make a lot of money, I worked more than 70 hours per week, my girlfriends told me I was always at work or with my RS500 Cosworth and they were jealous. Getting older, I lost all my relatives I loved, 10 years ago I died with my girlfriend, she made me promise to find a new woman, to make her become as happy as I made her, when she had a difficult as woman, previous married life, she just wanted I would be happy after her, but I was not able. Now I know I m the best performer in my job, I m not working safe close to heater behind a computer, I'm the best because I take risks and they pay me for this, to have balls to keep on working under virus and I go before my teams even they are mostly foreigners when risk, if I wanted, I could make nearly double money, but I don't care, they will give me bonus for risk, but You don t need money when you are dead, when you dream about FKK, this is kind of failure for me, even I have usually the prettiest in any club and I enjoy playing with some, but I was not able for my promise. What I like is feeling a little bit of my previous life, or when I don't see what is below in La Grave above lake Chancel, narrow sharp icy combes, or skiing between rocks in Verbier or between crevaces on Zermatt Klein Matterhorn or la Grave Girose glacier, or when raining a lot, when You arrive behind a big truck putting big water everywhere, then accelerating to pass it, feeling like in car wash, not seeing anything, sometimes hearing shock noise from big speed difference, all this adrenaline which make You feel a bit alive, is so much more interesting than money for me. I m not a poor Romanian WG, I was lucky not to be born poor, but I think my mother who was the best, would cry a lot if she saw my way of life, but at least I always take care of where she is and not only her. 1 November is a long difficult day for me, since so many years.Very moving post. Looks like you wrote it while in an emotional state. Make me feel like I'll like to meet you once.

Chongmal
05-02-20, 12:49
Someone who does not even speak second language is lecturing me LOL. Wow, thanks big belly LOL!Perhaps someone who speaks a second language to a level beyond the knowledge of people who speak it as their mother tongue. Your nationalistic pride is respectable but your presentation can be a bit offensive. Just saying. LOL LOL this is a sex forum. I appreciate some good banter but within reason. Perhaps a bit of self respect could be displayed. LOL LOL.

Pessimist
05-02-20, 20:30
Perhaps someone who speaks a second language to a level beyond the knowledge of people who speak it as their mother tongue. Your nationalistic pride is respectable but your presentation can be a bit offensive. Just saying. LOL LOL this is a sex forum. I appreciate some good banter but within reason. Perhaps a bit of self respect could be displayed. LOL LOL.Isn't Bigbuddy French? Or did I make a wrong guess?

I speak just one language. Not much more can be expected from me, LOL.

Mr Ho
05-03-20, 00:38
OK, my English may not be the best, even I train hard, writing here, but I don't know what is your second language because most often you don't get the meaning and again on this time. I'm sure for 110% she wanted I would be happy with another, after her. I think she and my mother would be so disappointed to see my new way of life, not about job or ski or climbing, they knew, I don't think so much about a prostitute beauty because they knew I love beauty, but about brothels and I remember my LR girl telling me: this is not a place for you. So I told: OK, so I won't come back, so she said: why? You don't want to see me again? I will miss you. Land of cleverness. At least, like ski or mountains, FKK relax my mind, but when I never had a 6 weeks break since I started with escorts on end of 2010, I'm surprised, I didn't think would be no real missing, I miss much more my real sports and my freedom even getting allowance to move for my job, but not really freedom, I can't go where I want, but if confined saved more than 60000 French, then it s OK for me and at the moment I'm even happy to pay tax because my most important worry at the moment is what will be french economy. I don t worry about french medical level even too many deaths, I won't criticize Macron about virus, because except a German specialist for virus, nobody know much about this virus, and now we have another Asian disease for our children, but I worry a lot Macron didn't learn arithmetic at school. With exploding unemployment, who will pay our bill? When France is number 1 in the World for tourism, a small country above US, China, because of French culture, no tourism, we don't even know if we will go on holidays, and at best, only Western Europeans may come. EU borders should remain closed for a while when US and Asians are big tourism in France. So, brothels are not so important.I never mentioned about your English ability and hey, I just woke up and writing this, this is sex forum as I said, I don't and I am sure you don't check your writing as well, I think some people should relax here LOL.

Mr Ho
05-03-20, 00:45
I'm french so English is my second language, maybe you didn't get it, too much weed and Viagra in your blood I think.

No you despise poor people because you are a narrow minded rich spoilt brat. Some kind of Japanese Donald Trump. And actually we say 'I wasn't born poor'. You should try to open books (dictionaries for instance) from time to time. Funny how the serial posters here all suffer from heavy psychological disorders.It is not disorder, it is internet forum, so we can be open and at the same time be anonymous. You are the one who mentioned about it, not me. As for spoil brat, well I must agree with that to some extent and I do realize how lucky I am, and as for Donald trump thing, well. I kind of put it on. I do like Japan though, it is not because I am Japanese, but it is respectable nation and it is only non white G7 or even already was G5 nation.

As for weed, I quit by the way, it is not that I wanted to, but it is illegal here, so I never done it here and as for FKK, I realized it is better without. And hey, it ain't Viagra, it is Cialis I am taking in FKK, so I still can do more than 5 rooms LOL! If not I end with 3 rooms now LOL.

It is not disorder to reply properly, I write these posts quick and I don't even check the context, spelling or grammar, but I do reply to people who write and be open with some anonymity about me and also girls who still works in FKK because I know I must protect them to some extent like I know some of their private information or things they do for me in room that they may not want to do to others, so I keep it quiet till they quit FKK industry.

Mr Ho
05-03-20, 00:48
Perhaps someone who speaks a second language to a level beyond the knowledge of people who speak it as their mother tongue. Your nationalistic pride is respectable but your presentation can be a bit offensive. Just saying. LOL LOL this is a sex forum. I appreciate some good banter but within reason. Perhaps a bit of self respect could be displayed. LOL LOL.We were just arguing as usual, so any punch would be thrown LOL. I am not sure if national pride is good thing as you see how it has divided the world even though I do see Donald trump as like homeopathy into politic, like you know throw poison into congress to destroy poison to change things. Whether it is good change or not, I don't know LOL, but he is still there.

I appreciate your manner within your mild complaint LOL. I kind of put it on, so I may lower it time to time.

Polyamorist
05-03-20, 01:44
Very moving post. Looks like you wrote it while in an emotional state. Make me feel like I'll like to meet you once.I have to admit Sir Ioja does the whole manchild thing better than anyone I know. I can see how a lot of girls would be attracted to that heart-on-sleeve approach. On the other hand, it does seem kinda wasted on the Romanians, as 90% of them haven't a molecule of romance in their barbie bodies and will just be thinking about how to screw every penny out of every sentiment you can offer them.

By the way Dreams, still waiting for you in the Lounge to compare soaplands to FKKs. For example, would you say on average that Japanese girls have sweeter personalities than Romanian girls?

Also, how are employment opportunities for a gaijin? I was pondering the possibility of going over to Japan and trying to get a job as a Sauna Boy, but I'm afraid they might ask me to take off my turban. And if you're a Sauna Boy can you get fired for sexual harrassment? Not that I was planning on doing that myself of course. Asking for a friend.

BigBuddy69
05-03-20, 08:14
I can see how a lot of girls would be attracted to that heart-on-sleeve approach. On the other hand, it does seem kinda wasted on the Romanians, as 90% of them haven't a molecule of romance in their barbie bodies and will just be thinking about how to screw every penny out of every sentiment you can offer them.I'm sure lots of sex workers are repulsed by men acting like love-sick puppies who may become creepy stalkers. They prefer customers who behave like grown-ups and are aware that they are paying for a sexual relationship, nothing else, nothing more. It has nothing to do with Romanians, they are not looking for romance. Neither are the Germans or every other nationalities.

Sirioja
05-03-20, 09:16
I have to admit Sir Ioja does the whole manchild thing better than anyone I know. I can see how a lot of girls would be attracted to that heart-on-sleeve approach. On the other hand, it does seem kinda wasted on the Romanians, as 90% of them haven't a molecule of romance in their barbie bodies and will just be thinking about how to screw every penny out of every sentiment you can offer them.

By the way Dreams, still waiting for you in the Lounge to compare soaplands to FKKs. For example, would you say on average that Japanese girls have sweeter personalities than Romanian girls?

Also, how are employment opportunities for a gaijin? I was pondering the possibility of going over to Japan and trying to get a job as a Sauna Boy, but I'm afraid they might ask me to take off my turban. And if you're a Sauna Boy can you get fired for sexual harrassment? Not that I was planning on doing that myself of course. Asking for a friend.We may not experience same, we only experience from what we are. Romanians are my best for woman reactions and behavior, what I look for. I don't need hardcore sex or to have my ass licked, but I really enjoy to feel woman reactions. Some Germans can be woman for sex, not many, most being almost like robot, but except my German escort, about their behavior, I feel too much they are at work, not much illusion, so, not much interesting for me. Among my Russian escorts, some are real beauties, some are fire in bed, but they are on tour to make money and return home, even can sometimes have Russian nights for 200/250 with restaurant and gift like perfume or Disney toy for child, then little mum become so generous for sex. But Romanians who have only dick pimp level for sex for experience, first they say: You are too big for my small pussy, even when married for 1 year, but they must only play cards in bed. So you say: trust me, I will take care of You. Then, even busy, they return, saying: I know how You treated me. Then they start to look what you do, which girl you go with, how you behave with other girls, asking: she is your girlfriend? I remember full busy superstar Kate at Globe who was jealous about Larissa on 2016 , even I always went with Kate first because I went for her, even I was so happy to find again Isabella after 2 years, also telling me on Summer 2018: You found a new girlfriend? About Sofia. Busy, but always looking at what I was doing, even she was my number 1 at Globe and a long time in business, but only you behave like this, as she said. Some ask: You do the same with other girls? Some take risk and say: I don t want you go with other girls, when they risk answer like: we are not married, I pay so I can go with everybody, but, for few of us, if You go with another girl, then she will prefer to lose your money, even you may be her biggest money, this is interesting when they are ready to lose what they pay entry for, and even when they are not so busy. I know I made a mistake on Vatertag 2015 at World, when she disappointed me for second time, but when she saw me going with another girl, when I saw her eyes, and baby face was sweet but so low level. Funny at LR, when I said to Daria I couldn't go with her, but I kissed her with tenderness, I received dark eyes even when she was with another guy, but I saw her so proud when Daria left, sometimes to go to cry, coming back after drinking with Karina who came to me shouting: What You do to my friend? From your behavior, from how You treat them, from how You are able to value them and nothing about money, they may delay bigger money, but only money, for You. Even really busy, but they look at what You are doing, they are so happy when gossiping guys give them information about You, but they know gossiping guys are just from jealousy. Romanian beauties, because beauties always play on higher level than GND, are best players for love games, because they like to be treated as princess, and since I was a little boy, I always preferred princess than average looks. This is why I drive so many kilometers to FKK land, to create beautiful princesses for me, had to work hard with some who were really low level for sex, to make them improve and become good for me, to dream, to forget a bit, but this is only a game. When a prostitute ask You for love, then this is time to run away, because many problems which kill pleasure. Anyway, impossible for me with a girl who fuck with everybody, so not so risky game for me to play love, even I sometimes go really into, but I have my warnings. Anyway behavior is more important for me than trash sex, and Romanian beauties are my best for this. Some are close to French women and same jealousy. Also same sensuality, when real lack of sensuality for Germans who are mostly in technique.

Dreams
05-03-20, 10:49
Perhaps someone who speaks a second language to a level beyond the knowledge of people who speak it as their mother tongue. Your nationalistic pride is respectable but your presentation can be a bit offensive. Just saying. LOL LOL this is a sex forum. I appreciate some good banter but within reason. Perhaps a bit of self respect could be displayed. LOL LOL.Well said. English is my second language, and I sincerely think, without excessive lack of humility, that I speak, or write it, better than many.

I don't agree that excessive nationalistic pride is acceptable. You start from apparently "inoffensive" banter, and it leads to. What we all either lived, or for those younger, learnt in history books.

Dreams
05-03-20, 10:55
By the way Dreams, still waiting for you in the Lounge to compare soaplands to FKKs. For example, would you say on average that Japanese girls have sweeter personalities than Romanian girls?

Also, how are employment opportunities for a gaijin? I was pondering the possibility of going over to Japan and trying to get a job as a Sauna Boy, but I'm afraid they might ask me to take off my turban. And if you're a Sauna Boy can you get fired for sexual harrassment? Not that I was planning on doing that myself of course. Asking for a friend.I had answered, but because I did something wrong some 5 years ago, all my posts have to be checked before being posted, and I think I, again, broke one rule: mentioning a competing site. So I assume my post was not posted. Will try to answer your questions again, being careful not to breach any rule! So watch the space there.

Sirioja
05-03-20, 12:37
I never mentioned about your English ability and hey, I just woke up and writing this, this is sex forum as I said, I don't and I am sure you don't check your writing as well, I think some people should relax here LOL.I was meaning you don't seem most often to understand meaning of my words, for example my last girlfriend didn't break my heart, but she and her love are still stuck deep inside of me, 10 years later, which is problem to make a new life, even our start was complicated, mostly because of her husband who treated her like shit but was jealous she became happy, always smiling with me, even very complicated for me with no sex at our beginning, because she didn't like sex with him and so big frustration for me when you desire a beautiful woman. She told me: I thought you would leave me, you would not wait for me. She never saw my very wet eyes when too big frustration, but patience, love and manners to try slowly, softly and sweetly succeeded. I was proud when after she asked me for, with her words: you come to bed, I wait for you, with her so beautiful smile. In brothels, when I succeed to find a attractive girl, rare for me, I usually go only with her, easier to avoid jealousy and closer to reality for my mind, but when I usually get the prettiest FKK girls, beauties are usually attracted by my manners with women, but real pride and success for me, much more than making money, would have been to meet her when we were both young and to have my whole life only with her, this would have been real success for me, when I was only happy she did thank me for happiness she discovered on her second life, I was a mother, you made me woman, as she said. Much more Interesting than brothels, even I enjoy when beauties trust me and follow my games.

Turgid
05-03-20, 15:59
........... it does seem kinda wasted on the Romanians, as 90% of them haven't a molecule of romance in their barbie bodies and will just be thinking about how to screw every penny out of every sentiment you can offer them...............You can safely substitute prostitutes for Romanians in this post. Many women who become hookers have been used, lied to, cheated on, swindled and abused by men. Many, therefore, do not have a favorable view of men and seek to extract as much money out of them as possible. Also many men have been cheated on, lied to, used and swindled by women. These men also don't have a favorable view of women. I can tell from some posts especially in the Asian and Latin American forums that there are hurting men from the terrible things they say about women and their attitude towards them in the p4p scenario.

I am fortunate never to have allowed myself to have been negatively affected by women. In the p4p environment I treat all women with courtesy and respect even if their intention is to use me, chew me and spit me out. I have evolved to not be too concerned about those women who provide poor service, it always works out to be about 10%, I accept that and go with the flow. I have met numerous delightful women in this business a lot of them Eastern Europeans. Many are sweet although not so good looking. How can I forget Romanian Aime who on my first visit this year in January made a heart thingy with her fingers when she saw me on my entrance in Sharks. I will continue to show them love.

Sirioja
05-03-20, 22:27
In this dark time, when with one of the best medical level, we have more than 30.000 deaths in France with deaths at home, but a good news for me is, despite poverty and very average medical level, Africa manage quite well at the moment about virus. I m very happy for them. Few explanations: not many diabetics, not many hypertension, quite young population because of many other diseases. I think we should forbid US foods for our children who are becoming fat and diabetic or with hypertension. African foods seem better for health. This show once again figures about virus are much more mirror about how we live than about medical level, when Africa seem to perform better than US and Western Europe. Not sure Brazil now under crisis, but with their president, will succeed like Africa.

Mr Ho
05-03-20, 22:56
I was meaning you don't seem most often to understand meaning of my words, for example my last girlfriend didn't break my heart, but she and her love are still stuck deep inside of me, 10 years later, which is problem to make a new life, even our start was complicated, mostly because of her husband who treated her like shit but was jealous she became happy, always smiling with me, even very complicated for me with no sex at our beginning, because she didn't like sex with him and so big frustration for me when you desire a beautiful woman. She told me: I thought you would leave me, you would not wait for me. She never saw my very wet eyes when too big frustration, but patience, love and manners to try slowly, softly and sweetly succeeded. I was proud when after she asked me for, with her words: you come to bed, I wait for you, with her so beautiful smile. In brothels, when I succeed to find a attractive girl, rare for me, I usually go only with her, easier to avoid jealousy and closer to reality for my mind, but when I usually get the prettiest FKK girls, beauties are usually attracted by my manners with women, but real pride and success for me, much more than making money, would have been to meet her when we were both young and to have my whole life only with her, this would have been real success for me, when I was only happy she did thank me for happiness she discovered on her second life, I was a mother, you made me woman, as she said. Much more Interesting than brothels, even I enjoy when beauties trust me and follow my games.Well each their own for FKK, but FKK is place to buy sex, not place to seek treatment for lost love, but it is each their own. I use FKK just for sexual desire and things I cannot or should not do with normal girls. Plus I hate this whole process of getting girls to the extent I prefer fucking beautiful prostitute than beautiful normal girl. I need hard dirty sex.

ShooBree
05-03-20, 23:25
I'm sure lots of sex workers are repulsed by men acting like love-sick puppies who may become creepy stalkers. They prefer customers who behave like grown-ups and are aware that they are paying for a sexual relationship, nothing else, nothing more. It has nothing to do with Romanians, they are not looking for romance. Neither are the Germans or every other nationalities.Yeah, but many sex workers like to use that "lovesickness" to increase their profits. How often has not a prostitute told a customer that he is good looking or in other ways complimented him to make him feel like they have a real connection and the sex will be great? I do believe that prostitutes knows that they can make more money selling a fantasy than just sex. Indirectly the prostitutes are encouraging that lovesickness.

In one club a sex worker went around introducing a client as her "boyfriend" to her friends. Another told her prey that she would have dated him if they met at a regular nightclub.

Although that behavior is more common among Latinas, they are much better saleswomen / actresses than Romanians.

If a prostitute told her customers what she really thought of them, LMFAO! She would be out of business and no man would be able to get an erection with her.

Mr Ho
05-04-20, 03:48
I'm sure lots of sex workers are repulsed by men acting like love-sick puppies who may become creepy stalkers. They prefer customers who behave like grown-ups and are aware that they are paying for a sexual relationship, nothing else, nothing more. It has nothing to do with Romanians, they are not looking for romance. Neither are the Germans or every other nationalities.Wow Bigbuddy69, we agree on this one LOL!

Girls usually hate guys who like have mental related session like true love feeling kind of session etc. They much prefer pure sexual session clients who pay for some fetish act like me with rimjob.

However, girls continue to go with these lovesick puppy clients because usually, these guys are the most returning and most paying clients in long run, but inside girls hate such clients the most because it is most complicated and also as you mentioned, they become like stalkers wanting to know her real name, where she lives etc. There has been some murder incidents with such clients and FKK girl.

Mr Ho
05-04-20, 03:49
In this dark time, when with one of the best medical level, we have more than 30.000 deaths in France with deaths at home, but a good news for me is, despite poverty and very average medical level, Africa manage quite well at the moment about virus. I m very happy for them. Few explanations: not many diabetics, not many hypertension, quite young population because of many other diseases. I think we should forbid US foods for our children who are becoming fat and diabetic or with hypertension. African foods seem better for health. This show once again figures about virus are much more mirror about how we live than about medical level, when Africa seem to perform better than US and Western Europe. Not sure Brazil now under crisis, but with their president, will succeed like Africa.How the hell with best medical level or medical system can have 30000 deaths, it is not, look at the fact.

The Cane
05-04-20, 18:03
If a prostitute told her customers what she really thought of them, LMFAO! She would be out of business and no man would be able to get an erection with her.One time a Romanian tute at Oase really pissed me off from something she said. She stated in a rather condescending way that I wasn't "normal" (and ultimately not good enough for her outside of the club I gathered) because I patronized a place like Oase. Now, although that pissed me off, I didn't react. Not going to let a tute ruin my vibe. But I did think, "So what does your working here say about you then"? But no, I didn't react. I just went with her to the room and got my nuts sucked. Then I fucked her in the ass! And she was good too. Tit for tat!

BigBuddy69
05-04-20, 18:34
How the hell with best medical level or medical system can have 30000 deaths, it is not, look at the fact.Because the virus spread really fast in France. Wearing a mask was not encouraged until recently. Mostly because there were no stocks actually. Lots of people thought it was just a big flu and didn't change their habits until the lockdown.

Sirioja
05-04-20, 19:39
Well each their own for FKK, but FKK is place to buy sex, not place to seek treatment for lost love, but it is each their own. I use FKK just for sexual desire and things I cannot or should not do with normal girls. Plus I hate this whole process of getting girls to the extent I prefer fucking beautiful prostitute than beautiful normal girl. I need hard dirty sex.I hate dirty things, I was used to princess types, meaning elegant with good manners, in real life, I learned sex with princesses, not with porn or prostitutes, I know only this way for sex and I don't need to change, best sex for me is the closest to my past real life.

Pessimist
05-04-20, 20:13
Yeah, but many sex workers like to use that "lovesickness" to increase their profits. How often has not a prostitute told a customer that he is good looking or in other ways complimented him to make him feel like they have a real connection and the sex will be great? I do believe that prostitutes knows that they can make more money selling a fantasy than just sex. Indirectly the prostitutes are encouraging that lovesickness.

In one club a sex worker went around introducing a client as her "boyfriend" to her friends. Another told her prey that she would have dated him if they met at a regular nightclub.

Although that behavior is more common among Latinas, they are much better saleswomen / actresses than Romanians.

If a prostitute told her customers what she really thought of them, LMFAO! She would be out of business and no man would be able to get an erection with her.I know you did not mention Sirioja but he does not come across as a love puppy. He says he makes a continual assessment of the girls based on their behavior. He prefers girls who look and behave in a certain way and it works for him. He also said many times that girls who appeal to him may not appeal to other men. I have found my likes and girl picks usually do not match his, and that does not bother me. He likes his girls, I like mine.

I don't understand this constant snippy back and forth "my tatstes, my way, my selections yadda yadda are better than yours". It is pretty pathetic to be cheest thumping about how great, rich, educated, smart, good looking, your are and how big is your dick. In an anonymous internet forum. Around here, anyone can play any role he wants to.

BTW, my comment is not directed at you ShooBree. I enjoy your posts.

Turgid
05-04-20, 20:19
One time a Romanian tute at Oase really pissed me off from something she said. She stated in a rather condescending way that I wasn't "normal" (and ultimately not good enough for her outside of the club I gathered) because I patronized a place like Oase. Now, although that pissed me off, I didn't react. Not going to let a tute ruin my vibe. But I did think, "So what does your working here say about you then"? But no, I didn't react. I just went with her to the room and got my nuts sucked. Then I fucked her in the ass! And she was good too. Tit for tat!There are actually some girls who think differently. When I was working regularly in the south Caribbean I used to regularly patronize a cute Indian working girl. We were having small talk after sex one day and I mentioned to her the possibility of her getting into a serious relationship with a regular client. Her response was that that is ok but he will always use where he met her against her in future arguments. Interesting perspective.

The Cane
05-04-20, 20:50
There are actually some girls who think differently. When I was working regularly in the south Caribbean I used to regularly patronize a cute Indian working girl. We were having small talk after sex one day and I mentioned to her the possibility of her getting into a serious relationship with a regular client. Her response was that that is ok but he will always use where he met her against her in future arguments. Interesting perspective.Many, many prostitutes have told me something similar, but leading to a solidly different conclusion. That they did not want any long term ties to a client because he would always see her as a prostitute, and that if they got into an argument, the guy would use it against her. One told me that she was even concerned that she might be called a puta in front of the kids. So, they would rather look for something serious with somebody who knew nothing of their past.

BigBuddy69
05-04-20, 21:23
Wow Bigbuddy69, we agree on this one LOL!

Girls usually hate guys who like have mental related session like true love feeling kind of session etc. They much prefer pure sexual session clients who pay for some fetish act like me with rimjob.Sorry to disappoint you but I don't think they like to taste your shit either.


However, girls continue to go with these lovesick puppy clients because usually, these guys are the most returning and most paying clients in long run, but inside girls hate such clients the most because it is most complicated and also as you mentioned, they become like stalkers wanting to know her real name, where she lives etc.l.They keep going with them until they're fed up or really uncomfortable with all this servile fascination shit (or they meet other dudes who guarantee them the same income without all this mess). Then the guy goes crying all over about this imaginary break-up and how she destroyed her own image.

Mr Ho
05-04-20, 23:42
Because the virus spread really fast in France. Wearing a mask was not encouraged until recently. Mostly because there were no stocks actually. Lots of people thought it was just a big flu and didn't change their habits until the lockdown.I think Medical level of France and Italy are same or at least in same range with any G7 nations or some other nation like Switzerland etc, but I think destruction of hospital system lead to many death. How that happened is not the fault of hospitals, but I would say more the fault of government not putting restriction on admission to hospitals among other reasons that are not fault of hospitals entirely.

As for people walking around. For instance, Japan cannot do full lock down like in Europe or USA because we do not have law to force people, so government just asked citizens to stay home, which many people did because we are quite disciplined, but obviously there are some who did not stay home and kept on living normal life style including commuting train. However, death rates were kept down. The reason for this is that there are some speculation about BCG vaccines, when you born in Japan and few other nations in the world, babies are oblige to take BCG vaccines, and there is speculation around saying this BCG vaccines may have prevent people from getting infected easily or symptom shifting from mild to heavy.

It is crazy era we get to experience, who would have thought we will experience something like this except in some Hollywood panic movie.

Avigan and one more corona medicine from USA works on mild symptoms, and they are about to be approved fully and dispatched, so let hope it will help to decrease death a little bit.

Mr Ho
05-05-20, 02:32
Sorry to disappoint you but I don't think they like to taste your shit either.

They keep going with them until they're fed up or really uncomfortable with all this servile fascination shit (or they meet other dudes who guarantee them the same income without all this mess). Then the guy goes crying all over about this imaginary break-up and how she destroyed her own image.Who does like to lick anal for money, I know that, they are not Toto toilet.

However, it is demand and supply, I have my demand and they supply based on consensus. I know that.

But these guys who are in infatuation with FKK girls tend to think only they get the service from FKK girls and think they are special based on the lies FKK girls tell them and it can be dangerous situation both for FKK girls and such guys.

I go to FKK purely for lust and sex. But there are guys who go to FKK to fulfill things that are missing in their lives, like love relationship they lost or loneliness or need of life partner, girls capitalize on that, but sometimes these things goes out of control and lead to some tragic event like murder of FKK girls. I hear two events like that happened in past 10 years and I am sure there are more.

It is mild mental sickness that can lead to serious outcome.

I even know some case where client do not like other client because he go with the FKK girl he likes. , when I heard that I thought, these guys should see what kind of rimjob sessions I do in room in acrobatic position LOL!

Mr Ho
05-05-20, 09:33
I hate dirty things, I was used to princess types, meaning elegant with good manners, in real life, I learned sex with princesses, not with porn or prostitutes, I know only this way for sex and I don't need to change, best sex for me is the closest to my past real life.Me too, but I cannot do somethings I do in FKK to normal girls because they could talk, but in FKK, it is no string attached, so I fulfill my dirty lust with most beautiful girls, including some of your princesses as it is FKK and free to fuck any girls inside how we want based on consensus.

So you fuck her princess princess style and I fuck her dirty like pierre woodman style, so it is like porn, you are princess type actor and I am woodman style actor LOL! We both are porn actors in FKK with diffrent style who pays LOL!

Mr Ho
05-05-20, 10:03
Many, many prostitutes have told me something similar, but leading to a solidly different conclusion. That they did not want any long term ties to a client because he would always see her as a prostitute, and that if they got into an argument, the guy would use it against her. One told me that she was even concerned that she might be called a puta in front of the kids. So, they would rather look for something serious with somebody who knew nothing of their past.But senpai cane. They are prostitute and puta LOL!

Honesty is very important in relationship LOL!

Puta prostitutesky LOL!

Turgid
05-05-20, 13:40
Many, many prostitutes have told me something similar, but leading to a solidly different conclusion. That they did not want any long term ties to a client because he would always see her as a prostitute, and that if they got into an argument, the guy would use it against her. One told me that she was even concerned that she might be called a puta in front of the kids. So, they would rather look for something serious with somebody who knew nothing of their past.Using that logic a guy should not want to marry a girl he met in an FKK cause she might call him a monger in front of the kids.

The Cane
05-05-20, 14:19
Using that logic a guy should not want to marry a girl he met in an FKK cause she might call him a monger in front of the kids.And I don't think "bad" or "faulty" logic either. It's simply the other side of the coin. We're all so conditioned to look at it from jut the point of the women. But what about the men? I think the same sort of concern is there for men, but expressed differently. A prostitute may not want "something more" with a client because she feels she would never be able to bury her past. And a client may not want "something more" with a prostitute because "that's not the kind of girl you bring home to your family", and if you do, that says as much about you as a man as it does about the girl. You'll never be able to live it down among your family and friends. That you knowingly consorted with prostitutes, and married one. She can't escape that past, and neither can the man, who might want to move on as well. Two sides of the same coin. I'm not saying that this is always going to be an issue or the actual outcome of such marriages, but we know it's nothing far-fetched at all. We all understand the societal judgments and pressure around prostitution. But what if the man didn't know she had been a prostitute, or if she didn't know he had been a monger, and they found out in detail only after the marriage? Now to me, this is a far more interesting situation. You thought you married the sweetest, most innocent girl in the world, but then come to find out she was taking multiple cum shots to the lips 5 to 6 days a week LOL! Now what you going to do LOLOLOL!

BigBuddy69
05-05-20, 14:58
Using that logic a guy should not want to marry a girl he met in an FKK cause she might call him a monger in front of the kids.Normally grown-ups should realize that they're not going in a FKK to find a wife.

Sirioja
05-05-20, 20:15
Me too, but I cannot do somethings I do in FKK to normal girls because they could talk, but in FKK, it is no string attached, so I fulfill my dirty lust with most beautiful girls, including some of your princesses as it is FKK and free to fuck any girls inside how we want based on consensus.

So you fuck her princess princess style and I fuck her dirty like pierre woodman style, so it is like porn, you are princess type actor and I am woodman style actor LOL! We both are porn actors in FKK with diffrent style who pays LOL!I'm I think more than double size for length and thickness than ridiculous wini wini old dog, french porn actor, fat Woodman, so I don't need with girls, when brothels girls ask me to be careful with them and they know how I behave with them. I don't need to free my frustration with prostitutes, because I don't have sexual frustration from my real life girlfriends, I just pay for only mind pleasure, I don't ask for love, I don't beg anything, I just enjoy love sex, not just emptying balls, my best pleasure is what they can do for behavior for me, coming to me, always choosing me first like I experienced at GT, World, Sharks, Oase, 3 girls at LR, Globe, delaying bigger money. I don't know when German brothels will reopen, maybe Austria on beginning of July, but I m 100% sure when I will go, if I succeed to find a attractive beauty with good manners, the most difficult for me, then like in any club, after time to adapt to each other, I will become like each time her first choice and even locals will have to wait, like Germans at LR or Sharks. Real facts, some here witnessed.

Sirioja
05-05-20, 21:07
How the hell with best medical level or medical system can have 30000 deaths, it is not, look at the fact.From your island, you don't understand about how virus is working. In Europe, UK have highest deaths. In the world, most powerful country, US, have highest deaths, when poor African countries who have so high medical level compare to US, UK, France, Italy and Spain, may have lower deaths than Germany. Try to find how really work this virus and also about Japanese Kawasaki syndrome for Western Europe children. Ask doctors why these surprising fortunate figures in poor Africa, much less under US foods, with much less fat, diabetics, hypertension and not so old population because of other diseases. Unfortunately, in France, like in US and UK, we have more and more fat, obese, diabetics, heart in prison in fat, and they are not Sumos. I wonder how Sumos would resist to virus infection.

Mr Ho
05-06-20, 00:36
From your island, you don't understand about how virus is working. In Europe, UK have highest deaths. In the world, most powerful country, US, have highest deaths, when poor African countries who have so high medical level compare to US, UK, France, Italy and Spain, may have lower deaths than Germany. Try to find how really work this virus and also about Japanese Kawasaki syndrome for Western Europe children. Ask doctors why these surprising fortunate figures in poor Africa, much less under US foods, with much less fat, diabetics, hypertension and not so old population because of other diseases. Unfortunately, in France, like in US and UK, we have more and more fat, obese, diabetics, heart in prison in fat, and they are not Sumos. I wonder how Sumos would resist to virus infection.As for European death rates, it is lack of organization and not so much the fault of hospitals beside they failed to keep the bed open, but you don't have treatment for this like Avigan, which even in Japan we do not use on everybody because we cannot because numbers are still limited and are in production now. It is getting fully approved this month and first batch will be dispatched to world and to also to all Japanese hospitals. Till now, ministry of health decide who get avigan or not and had to sign clinical trial contract before, but avigan was working good on mild symptom patients with in 6 weeks of infections.

It is not because of just fat obese people they are dying, it is lack of government failed to save medical system and also your life style that is not hygiene enough and also your behavior of do not listen to the fact, masks are good example.

And hey, France had this virus since December by the way. We has it from January, but France did not even realize this virus till like March. So do the math. It is actually Europe who had it before Japan. And I was in Europe in Jan and Feb so I was lucky LOL.

Plus hey, Kawasaki syndrome is disease found by Dr Kawasaki, so it is not like we give to France, you guys got it yourself. Thank Dr Kawasaki for finding disease for you because it is curable.

However, as for corona virus, let see if vaccines will be invented soon. Avigan and other medicine for ebora by USA is just a counter strategy and it is not vaccines for it, but it works.

I disagree that Africa has better medical care than USA. I think USA is better in medical and technology field than most European nations and more than France this is face. Also Japan too, only nation that can compete with Japan in Europe is Germany. And USA is bigger than Japan. USA is number one nation no matter what others may think, this is the fact. Death per population is most important figure, USA is big country.

Mr Ho
05-06-20, 00:39
I'm I think more than double size for length and thickness than ridiculous wini wini old dog, french porn actor, fat Woodman, so I don't need with girls, when brothels girls ask me to be careful with them and they know how I behave with them. I don't need to free my frustration with prostitutes, because I don't have sexual frustration from my real life girlfriends, I just pay for only mind pleasure, I don't ask for love, I don't beg anything, I just enjoy love sex, not just emptying balls, my best pleasure is what they can do for behavior for me, coming to me, always choosing me first like I experienced at GT, World, Sharks, Oase, 3 girls at LR, Globe, delaying bigger money. I don't know when German brothels will reopen, maybe Austria on beginning of July, but I m 100% sure when I will go, if I succeed to find a attractive beauty with good manners, the most difficult for me, then like in any club, after time to adapt to each other, I will become like each time her first choice and even locals will have to wait, like Germans at LR or Sharks. Real facts, some here witnessed.I don't think woodman has frustration with real time girl friend LOL, it is just his fetish and style to fuck like that. I am sure he has romantic sex now and then too without calling girls chien and spank them LOL!

Chongmal
05-06-20, 03:16
Just like in P6 activities, in medical communities money motivates. I write this without evidence or first hand knowledge, so I will be careful with wording and punctuation. Is it true that in the US a hospital gets paid over 56 times more if a patients cause of death is ruled to be from COVID-19 rather than the flu? If the numbers are $17000 compared to $300 could this possibly motivate hospitals to find more COVID-19 deaths?

I'm not saying see-19 isn't out there and killing people. I also believe lifestyle and discipline lead to the propagation of see-19 in the US. Some segments of our nation don't take it seriously or maybe they do but their actions seem to indicate otherwise. Our social system is not set up to continuously pay 70% of the nation near full wages when not working. I expect the architects of the system never imagined such a scenario. Yes, unfortunately, it seems the many of the essential jobs are filled by the poorer populace who can't afford to miss work.

Sirioja
05-06-20, 08:51
I'm I think more than double size for length and thickness than ridiculous wini wini old dog, french porn actor, fat Woodman, so I don't need with girls, when brothels girls ask me to be careful with them and they know how I behave with them. I don't need to free my frustration with prostitutes, because I don't have sexual frustration from my real life girlfriends, I just pay for only mind pleasure, I don't ask for love, I don't beg anything, I just enjoy love sex, not just emptying balls, my best pleasure is what they can do for behavior for me, coming to me, always choosing me first like I experienced at GT, World, Sharks, Oase, 3 girls at LR, Globe, delaying bigger money. I don't know when German brothels will reopen, maybe Austria on beginning of July, but I m 100% sure when I will go, if I succeed to find a attractive beauty with good manners, the most difficult for me, then like in any club, after time to adapt to each other, I will become like each time her first choice and even locals will have to wait, like Germans at LR or Sharks. Real facts, some here witnessed.I would add, when everybody except girls who experienced me know I'm a bad french guy, I remember my LR Eve telling me: You are my french man, so I told her: but you had others and even before me, so she answered: You are my only french man, then she wanted to put my hair in Romanian fashion style, meaning up on the head, I did hate this, I don't know why all girls want to touch my hair, when some say: don't touch my hair, but if french Woodman can be a model for way for sex for some, fortunately only porn comedy, because he is just a shame for french men, for me, for his image and sexual violent behavior. I'm not a specialist in porn, but I m surprised nobody thought to make a movie showing to men how to make love to a woman, then men should learn how to take care of a woman, then wife won t refuse boring sex as they say, having headache, my 2 last girlfriends were married before me and refused to have sex with their husband, as they said: they were only mother, I remember ex husbands faces when seeing ex wife full smiling with me, feeling woman, taking care of their look to be the prettiest for me as they said, last asking me to go with her to buy shoes, dresses, lingerie, not to pay but to choose, when sometimes I would have preferred to watch sports, but at least girls who sold laughed when seeing us choosing lingerie, for sure they shouldn't see many couples like us. Then, in this time and even without virus, married men could have wife asking for pleasure. I learned in my life women don t ask often for sex except when they want a baby, but they ask often for pleasure when they tasted and they can even become exhausting, so, no need to go to brothels, when girls tell me: many are married and look at me like a martian when I tell them: If I have a girlfriend, I will stay with her, I will build for her, then I don't need you anymore. Most of guys should think about deserving their wife, they didn't buy her with a ring and wedding. I always thought more value without, when we are free to leave when we want.

Chongmal
05-06-20, 10:39
Now what you going to do LOLOLOL!Never accept her "no" answer when I ask to cum in her mouth.

Sirioja
05-06-20, 19:18
As for European death rates, it is lack of organization and not so much the fault of hospitals beside they failed to keep the bed open, but you don't have treatment for this like Avigan, which even in Japan we do not use on everybody because we cannot because numbers are still limited and are in production now. It is getting fully approved this month and first batch will be dispatched to world and to also to all Japanese hospitals. Till now, ministry of health decide who get avigan or not and had to sign clinical trial contract before, but avigan was working good on mild symptom patients with in 6 weeks of infections.

It is not because of just fat obese people they are dying, it is lack of government failed to save medical system and also your life style that is not hygiene enough and also your behavior of do not listen to the fact, masks are good example.

And hey, France had this virus since December by the way. We has it from January, but France did not even realize this virus till like March. So do the math. It is actually Europe who had it before Japan. And I was in Europe in Jan and Feb so I was lucky LOL.

Plus hey, Kawasaki syndrome is disease found by Dr Kawasaki, so it is not like we give to France, you guys got it yourself. Thank Dr Kawasaki for finding disease for you because it is curable.

However, as for corona virus, let see if vaccines will be invented soon. Avigan and other medicine for ebora by USA is just a counter strategy and it is not vaccines for it, but it works.

I disagree that Africa has better medical care than USA. I think USA is better in medical and technology field than most European nations and more than France this is face. Also Japan too, only nation that can compete with Japan in Europe is Germany. And USA is bigger than Japan. USA is number one nation no matter what others may think, this is the fact. Death per population is most important figure, USA is big country.You really don't understand words meanings and ironic. US figures, not mine, are at least 135.000 deaths on Summer and they don't even know about many poor and illegals. Does it mean they are lower medical level than Africa, of course not. There must be a reason when both don't respect confined, just impossible in Africa. Also 30 millions more unemployed in US, more than 10 millions more in France.

Seem spreading started on October, after military sport competition in Wuhan, but at this time, nobody knew what it was.

The Cane
05-06-20, 21:39
Never accept her "no" answer when I ask to cum in her mouth.Hahaha! Either it's CIM or I want a divorce LOL!

Wild Man
05-07-20, 01:10
This interesting and genuinely informative and valuable guide on this issue comes from a country which was traditionally to sexual freedom what North Korea is to human rights (My own nation. Ireland).

https://www.sexualhealthcentre.com/news/2020/4/9/the-sexual-health-centre-launches-safety-guide-for-sex-workers-during-covid-19

TBH given such restrictions, I think I will wait until things calm down!

Mr Ho
05-07-20, 03:03
I would add, when everybody except girls who experienced me know I'm a bad french guy, I remember my LR Eve telling me: You are my french man, so I told her: but you had others and even before me, so she answered: You are my only french man, then she wanted to put my hair in Romanian fashion style, meaning up on the head, I did hate this, I don't know why all girls want to touch my hair, when some say: don't touch my hair, but if french Woodman can be a model for way for sex for some, fortunately only porn comedy, because he is just a shame for french men, for me, for his image and sexual violent behavior. I'm not a specialist in porn, but I m surprised nobody thought to make a movie showing to men how to make love to a woman, then men should learn how to take care of a woman, then wife won t refuse boring sex as they say, having headache, my 2 last girlfriends were married before me and refused to have sex with their husband, as they said: they were only mother, I remember ex husbands faces when seeing ex wife full smiling with me, feeling woman, taking care of their look to be the prettiest for me as they said, last asking me to go with her to buy shoes, dresses, lingerie, not to pay but to choose, when sometimes I would have preferred to watch sports, but at least girls who sold laughed when seeing us choosing lingerie, for sure they shouldn't see many couples like us. Then, in this time and even without virus, married men could have wife asking for pleasure. I learned in my life women don t ask often for sex except when they want a baby, but they ask often for pleasure when they tasted and they can even become exhausting, so, no need to go to brothels, when girls tell me: many are married and look at me like a martian when I tell them: If I have a girlfriend, I will stay with her, I will build for her, then I don't need you anymore. Most of guys should think about deserving their wife, they didn't buy her with a ring and wedding. I always thought more value without, when we are free to leave when we want.You are one of very few who actually believe what prostitutes says to you in brothel LOL!

ExpatLover
05-07-20, 06:02
As for European death rates, it is lack of organization and not so much the fault of hospitals beside they failed to keep the bed open, but you don't have treatment for this like Avigan, which even in Japan we do not use on everybody because we cannot because numbers are still limited and are in production now. It is getting fully approved this month and first batch will be dispatched to world and to also to all Japanese hospitals. Till now, ministry of health decide who get avigan or not and had to sign clinical trial contract before, but avigan was working good on mild symptom patients with in 6 weeks of infections.

It is not because of just fat obese people they are dying, it is lack of government failed to save medical system and also your life style that is not hygiene enough and also your behavior of do not listen to the fact, masks are good example.

And hey, France had this virus since December by the way. We has it from January, but France did not even realize this virus till like March. So do the math. It is actually Europe who had it before Japan. And I was in Europe in Jan and Feb so I was lucky LOL.It is very complex to understand why some countries or even regions are hit so badly. Wearing masks, keeping social distancing seems to be the key drivers for success. What happen in France, Italy, Spain is just showing how weak those countries are becoming in protecting their citizens. East part of Germany is far less impacted (except Berlin) than Bayern, NRW. But when you look at a big city like Bremen the number of cases is very low, why. Overall the cities are much more impacted than the country side, also very true in the US. Why Greece which is in a bad economical situation for decades, whit a very old population, a weak health care system is so successful to fight covid 19, difficult for the moment to answer. For me, this disease is just having terrible consequences for most of us and we will have to pay for all the QE.

Turgid
05-07-20, 13:51
Just like in P6 activities, in medical communities money motivates. I write this without evidence or first hand knowledge, so I will be careful with wording and punctuation. Is it true that in the US a hospital gets paid over 56 times more if a patients cause of death is ruled to be from COVID-19 rather than the flu? If the numbers are $17000 compared to $300 could this possibly motivate hospitals to find more COVID-19 deaths?..............This can be easily verified by comparing deaths from other illnesses to those during a similar period last year.

Pessimist
05-07-20, 16:26
Just like in P6 activities, in medical communities money motivates. I write this without evidence or first hand knowledge, so I will be careful with wording and punctuation. Is it true that in the US a hospital gets paid over 56 times more if a patients cause of death is ruled to be from COVID-19 rather than the flu? If the numbers are $17000 compared to $300 could this possibly motivate hospitals to find more COVID-19 deaths?.A patient is diagnosed as having Covid or not based on testing, and that happens much earlier than death itself. It is not as if a patient is coming into a hospital, he tested negative for Corona, the patient dies, and then the hospital changes the cause of death from flu or whatever to Corona. That would be illegal and it is not happening, and it is just another fake story / rumor.

Hospitals get paid based on services rendered, and codes that get attached to it. If a patient is put on a ventilator, there is a DRG code for such a service and gets billed accordingly. Whether a patient has Covid or something else and has to be given a ventilator, then it is true that a ventilator was provided and accordingly hospital will charge for such a service rendered.

Sirioja
05-07-20, 21:46
You are one of very few who actually believe what prostitutes says to you in brothel LOL!No, I don't believe much words in FKK land of lies, but I only believe what I see and experience, much more reliable for me. But you have to understand we experience from what we are and our behavior. I don't think Romanian beauties, others don't interest me.

Mr Ho
05-08-20, 01:13
No, I don't believe much words in FKK land of lies, but I only believe what I see and experience, much more reliable for me. But you have to understand we experience from what we are and our behavior. I don't think Romanian beauties, others don't interest me.Well romanians are everywhere and easy to find and very easy to get good service out of them for cheaper cost than germans, but they lie the most even their nationalities, so watch out because you tend to be so much into the stories they tell you LOL! Don't be naive in FKK, it is not right place to talk, it is place to fuck LOL!

Mr Ho
05-08-20, 01:42
It is very complex to understand why some countries or even regions are hit so badly. Wearing masks, keeping social distancing seems to be the key drivers for success. What happen in France, Italy, Spain is just showing how weak those countries are becoming in protecting their citizens. East part of Germany is far less impacted (except Berlin) than Bayern, NRW. But when you look at a big city like Bremen the number of cases is very low, why. Overall the cities are much more impacted than the country side, also very true in the US. Why Greece which is in a bad economical situation for decades, whit a very old population, a weak health care system is so successful to fight covid 19, difficult for the moment to answer. For me, this disease is just having terrible consequences for most of us and we will have to pay for all the QE.Right, France, Italy and Spain are weak countries and they have been for long time now. But they don't even notice this due to false pride and not knowing the world. So it maybe this corona virus thing was good lesson for them given by superior power China.

France, Spain and Italy used to be strong nations, but they are even on the edge of getting kicked out of G7 nations by economical figures, but they are more trust worthy than China, so they are given chance to stay in G7 and even though China is much stronger than France, Italy and Spain, China is out of G7 due to their credibility, unfortunately China cannot be trusted yet.

Mr Ho
05-08-20, 02:43
This interesting and genuinely informative and valuable guide on this issue comes from a country which was traditionally to sexual freedom what North Korea is to human rights (My own nation. Ireland).

https://www.sexualhealthcentre.com/news/2020/4/9/the-sexual-health-centre-launches-safety-guide-for-sex-workers-during-covid-19

TBH given such restrictions, I think I will wait until things calm down!There is no safe sex during covid 19, if you are monger and going to monger, then just go hard, fuck Romanian prostitutes like a pride Pierre woodman LOL!

Polyamorist
05-08-20, 03:26
Just like in P6 activities, in medical communities money motivates. I write this without evidence or first hand knowledge, so I will be careful with wording and punctuation. Is it true that in the US a hospital gets paid over 56 times more if a patients cause of death is ruled to be from COVID-19 rather than the flu? If the numbers are $17000 compared to $300 could this possibly motivate hospitals to find more COVID-19 deaths?Sounds like death is a booming business. Can't think why we don't have more of it. Highly underrated, death. One of the few growth sectors in the economy in these otherwise dark days.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

"if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for if they're Medicare typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

The US Healthcare System is a Black Comedy that pretty much writes itself without any help from me. I would trust the data coming out of there about as much as the carvings of the Bushmen of Wagga Wagga Land.

Pessimist
05-08-20, 04:14
Sounds like death is a booming business. Can't think why we don't have more of it. Highly underrated, death. One of the few growth sectors in the economy in these otherwise dark days.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

"if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for if they're Medicare typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

The US Healthcare System is a Black Comedy that pretty much writes itself without any help from me. I would trust the data coming out of there about as much as the carvings of the Bushmen of Wagga Wagga Land.Not saying that US healthcare system or our reimbursement and pricing models are perfect. But the article sources a broadcast network and a specific person with a political angle and an ax to grind. Our payment and reimbursement is a complicated system and not something that can be summed up in a few simple sentences on a sex forum. Europeans are mostly on a state paid system and don't have to deal with these things, and if you feel that works for you, it's great. I have to say though, I have observed that you personally seem to have some sort of anti US bias due to whatever reason, perhaps some past slight you suffered? And you do take a few potshots at the US and our systems and ways whenever the opportunity presents (or sometimes you go out of the way to create that opportunity). Considering that you hide you identity very guardedly (although BFsie one time said you live in DE) I don't see how this increases any credibility if you want to take these anonymous cheap shots at a country that does not seem to be your native land. Most of us are deferential to other countries and their peoples as that seems to be right thing to do on an international forum as ISG. However, feel free to continue your ways. Shalom.

Dreams
05-08-20, 13:01
Seem spreading started on October, after military sport competition in Wuhan, but at this time, nobody knew what it was.Quite right. There was a first wave which started in November in Western Europe and went unnoticed till end of January. There is already one retrospective confirmed case form a patient who died end of December. . If there are enough blood samples kept from patients hospitalized end of 2019 from "bizarre" pneumonia, we will find many more cases.

The conclusion is that we are now at the end of a "second wave". Should we fear a third wave after end of lock down? I don't believe so.

Turgid
05-08-20, 19:46
Yahoo news:

"A new study from Chinese scientists found coronavirus particles in the semen of 16% of the male patients studied.

The virus was present in semen from both patients who had active infections and those who had recovered.

The researchers aren't sure yet whether the virus can be spread through sexual contact. ".

Polyamorist
05-08-20, 19:52
All I know is it's time to eat! It's dinner time everybody! Yum, yum! Hahahahaha! Call me many things, but don't call me late for dinner LOL!
I'm afraid Batman has become too much of a cliche. I am more drawn to the sad but touching stories of Dr. Michael Morbius, Ph.D, and Professor "Bat-woman" Zhengli.

Sirioja
05-08-20, 21:40
Quite right. There was a first wave which started in November in Western Europe and went unnoticed till end of January. There is already one retrospective confirmed case form a patient who died end of December. . If there are enough blood samples kept from patients hospitalized end of 2019 from "bizarre" pneumonia, we will find many more cases.

The conclusion is that we are now at the end of a "second wave". Should we fear a third wave after end of lock down? I don't believe so.But only few were infected, about 6% in France, and recovering is not full immunity, when more and more obese, diabetics, with lungs or heart problems, who are at risk. Just after end of confined, German R0 increased, but they controlled below 1. With sun, people want now to go to the beach which will become full crowded, when not many swim.

Turgid
05-08-20, 22:23
Quite right. There was a first wave which started in November in Western Europe and went unnoticed till end of January. There is already one retrospective confirmed case form a patient who died end of December. . If there are enough blood samples kept from patients hospitalized end of 2019 from "bizarre" pneumonia, we will find many more cases.

The conclusion is that we are now at the end of a "second wave". Should we fear a third wave after end of lock down? I don't believe so.This is one of the most interesting things I've read about the coronavirus.

I entered Brazil in late October last year. I developed a cough which got worse from 1st November. For two weeks I had the worst bout of coughing I've ever had in my life which I treated with doctor prescribed medication. The coughing always got worst when I lay down at nights and was so bad that I could not sleep many nights. It lasted two weeks after which I had some respiratory problems. I have a friend who had the exact same experience back home around the same time. Makes me wonder.

Mr Ho
05-08-20, 23:47
No, I don't believe much words in FKK land of lies, but I only believe what I see and experience, much more reliable for me. But you have to understand we experience from what we are and our behavior. I don't think Romanian beauties, others don't interest me.You do believe in what Romanian prostitutes tells and shows you though LOL. It is all fake, it is called prostitution LOL!

Mr Ho
05-09-20, 02:11
Quite right. There was a first wave which started in November in Western Europe and went unnoticed till end of January. There is already one retrospective confirmed case form a patient who died end of December. . If there are enough blood samples kept from patients hospitalized end of 2019 from "bizarre" pneumonia, we will find many more cases.

The conclusion is that we are now at the end of a "second wave". Should we fear a third wave after end of lock down? I don't believe so.It began in France according and they could not even noticed it LOL!

Mr Ho
05-09-20, 03:54
But only few were infected, about 6% in France, and recovering is not full immunity, when more and more obese, diabetics, with lungs or heart problems, who are at risk. Just after end of confined, German R0 increased, but they controlled below 1. With sun, people want now to go to the beach which will become full crowded, when not many swim.France just messed up as you can see with crazy death rates and France had corona since last December and failed to even noticed they had corona virus. Death rates has little to do with fat people etc. Not all French people are fat LOL.

France did it to themselves.

Chongmal
05-09-20, 05:27
I don't see how this increases any credibility if you want to take these anonymous cheap shots at a country that does not seem to be your native land. I will step in since my question lead to the response you responded to. As an American, currently living in the US after nearly 2 decades living in Europe, the US healthcare system confuses me. I recently saw a doctor for a partially torn muscle in my bicep. Five minutes, they didn't even take my blood pressure. I received the bill, $256, to be told to cut back 50% on my lifting for two weeks. My health insurance doesn't cover anything yet because I haven't spent $7 k on medical this year. Oh, and I will spend $6 k out of my pocket for insurance. In the area of the US where I live the average income is less than $25 k annually. For that average group to have to potentially pay over 50% of their income on medical expenses in a year is criminal. Let's imagine they say, I'm skipping insurance because I can use that $6 k. Well, the insurance companies have negotiated rates that are less than those who don't have insurance are charged. So if you can't afford insurance the medical providers take more of your money than if you could afford the insurance.

By contrast, in Europe, my standard medical visit, which my torn bicep would fall into this category, had a charge of 28.50. In my case, I had to pay and submit the claim and 90% was returned to me by the insurance. There was no difference in price charged to someone with insurance or someone without. Part of the socialized medicine from those countries was lower medical rates. Another part is limits on awards in lawsuits. Europeans can graduate from medical school nearly debt free because university is almost free. Students have to pay for food, a place to stay and books. Many medical students serve in the social medicine sector in return for a 100% payment of their education. Brilliant people from poor families still have a chance for higher education. I feel the government regulated prices, limited lawsuit awards and affordable education result in much more effective medical systems for the entire populace of nation that participate like this.

Saturn11
05-09-20, 06:09
What might make a difference is an hour test. You could be tested before or after you fly and if you are clean, you get to enter the country. Of course, you will pay for the test. I would gladly do that to gain entry.A quick test could be a way for FKK to open, everyone gets tested before they go in. I feel it would have to be quicker than an hour though.

Sirioja
05-09-20, 06:29
It began in France according and they could not even noticed it LOL!Like for sex, you are so impressive knowing better than doctors, when so many foreigners come to be cured and I and French who work, not many at the moment, pay for.

Sirioja
05-09-20, 07:51
You do believe in what Romanian prostitutes tells and shows you though LOL. It is all fake, it is called prostitution LOL!In brothels, I only believe in what I see or experience, when my best FKK girl, Romanian looking like a woman of course, was queen of lies and gossiping, the best and she improved so much, to follow me for my way in bed, but her lies and new image made her not anymore desirable for me as I told her, not anymore chic enough for my taste when I chose her for her manners when she started and she really impressed me on some times until mid March 2017 or when I returned to her on September when she needed less than 3 hours to reorganize as before. On Thursday, after sex, Russian from Moscow, not Romanian, Olga behave exactly like Romanians, she could tell me: condom is full, bye, see You, but not at all, I know she discovered with her round big eyes and she also showed me about her private, gave me Russian private to meet without management, after only 1 hour with a guy she doesn't know, when Paris is not so safe for escorts, unfortunately many were attacked, robbed and never returned and I had to drive to Milano for Tatar wow Zoya, I remember on ice on top of Gran San Bernardino when they closed on that mid October night, but maybe because she saw her little female dog so in love with me, maybe on next time she will propose me to try the dog, or maybe like many FKK, mostly Romanian, beauties, she just felt safe, from my manners and respect for women. She is different profile of escort, not on tour, but living in Paris for modeling and photos shooting and instagram, closer to normal woman and she didn't seem to have busy sex, so fresh and tight, a pretty Russian doll, but with exactly same behavior with me than Romanians. It must be my face to inspire trust, when I had many Russian girls for nights in not safe Paris and even a magic night in Peter for 400 USD. Also same behavior on my few visits in Catalunya with Ukrainian or Belarus Katya showing me her private, when Russians seen were not pretty enough, not on Olga look level.

Kuni042
05-09-20, 10:46
This is for all those sceptics that think you cannot do sex in those masks.

I have no financial interest in any of those companies. But thought this could be of interest. I purchased one of those. I colleague from Singapore has one and reports they can even do running with them. Very cool.

https://www.airplus-family.com/products/family/

https://koolmask.com

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/next-gen-filtration-mask-with-botanicals#.

DasBooty
05-09-20, 13:18
This is for all those sceptics that think you cannot do sex in those masks.

I have no financial interest in any of those companies. But thought this could be of interest. I purchased one of those. I colleague from Singapore has one and reports they can even do running with them. Very cool.

https://www.airplus-family.com/products/family/

https://koolmask.com

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/next-gen-filtration-mask-with-botanicals#.I would use one of those when I'm doing a girl from behind and her ass stinks. Especially the mask in the last link which had eucalyptus scent!

Kuni042
05-09-20, 13:22
After research, I just bought a couple of those atmoblues.

https://atmoblue.com/index.html

It maybe too good to be true, but this is better than FFP3 - and easier to wear. The product will cost about 4 normal 30 m sessions at GT, Sharks, or so. Since I skipped a few dozen, I had the extra money.


This is for all those sceptics that think you cannot do sex in those masks.

I have no financial interest in any of those companies. But thought this could be of interest. I purchased one of those. I colleague from Singapore has one and reports they can even do running with them. Very cool.

https://www.airplus-family.com/products/family/

https://koolmask.com

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/next-gen-filtration-mask-with-botanicals#.

BigBuddy69
05-09-20, 13:30
After research, I just bought a couple of those atmoblues.

https://atmoblue.com/index.html

It maybe too good to be true, but this is better than FFP3 - and easier to wear. The product will cost about 4 normal 30 m sessions at GT, Sharks, or so. Since I skipped a few dozen, I had the extra money.So you will look like the bastard son of Darth Vader and a dung fly.

Sirioja
05-09-20, 13:37
After research, I just bought a couple of those atmoblues.

https://atmoblue.com/index.html

It maybe too good to be true, but this is better than FFP3 - and easier to wear. The product will cost about 4 normal 30 m sessions at GT, Sharks, or so. Since I skipped a few dozen, I had the extra money.Are you serious? Can you enjoy sex like this? Or is it to swim at the bottom of sea. No mask nor gloves, condom because I asked her, with my Russian model escort, or I stay in my bed.

Turgid
05-09-20, 14:44
A quick test could be a way for FKK to open, everyone gets tested before they go in. I feel it would have to be quicker than an hour though.A test at the airport upon entrance into a country would make more sense as well. Presenting a test result at immigration makes no sense as the visitor could have gotten infected after the test.

Sirioja
05-09-20, 14:47
A test at the airport upon entrance into a country would make more sense as well. Presenting a test result at immigration makes no sense as the visitor could have gotten infected after the test.What is reliability for tests? Not high for those in nose.

Jimmy Boy 99
05-09-20, 16:48
After research, I just bought a couple of those atmoblues.

https://atmoblue.com/index.html

It maybe too good to be true, but this is better than FFP3 - and easier to wear. The product will cost about 4 normal 30 m sessions at GT, Sharks, or so. Since I skipped a few dozen, I had the extra money.The website says the HEPA filters in the mask are only good for 150 hours of use. If you can't replace the filters (and there is no mention of replacement filters on the website), what do you do with the mask other than throw it (and your $199) away?

Polyamorist
05-09-20, 17:19
France just messed up as you can see with crazy death rates and France had corona since last December and failed to even noticed they had corona virus. Death rates has little to do with fat people etc. Not all French people are fat LOL.

France did it to themselves.The Wuhan Coronavirus Lab was set up with the help of the French government. There were staff going back and forth between China and France. So it wouldn't surprise me if the first outbreak outside China was in France.

Yeah, everybody blames China for this, but let's not forget the role that France and the US had in funding this dangerous research. It was kind of like the way Apple outsourced its iPhone production to Foxconn in China, a place where safety and labor laws are lax. All the workers in China just follow authority blindly, no matter how bad things get.

ExpatLover
05-09-20, 17:31
The Wuhan Coronavirus Lab was set up by the French government. There were staff going back and forth between China and France. So it wouldn't surprise me if the first outbreak outside China was in France.

France like a lot of French guys are willing to give lessons to everybody even the entire world, what is France today? What is the last war they won, taking out 1st and 2nd world war which they just participate modestly to the victory which would never been possible without the allies. France is a extremely spited society, in high risk of bankruptcy like Italy. Who is listening to France, USA, Germany, China? France was powerful 200 years back at least today it is just a middle size country with a lot of challenges to deal with.

Pessimist
05-09-20, 19:58
I will step in since my question lead to the response you responded to. As an American, currently living in the US after nearly 2 decades living in Europe, the US healthcare system confuses me. I recently saw a doctor for a partially torn muscle in my bicep. Five minutes, they didn't even take my blood pressure. I received the bill, $256, to be told to cut back 50% on my lifting for two weeks. My health insurance doesn't cover anything yet because I haven't spent $7 k on medical this year. Oh, and I will spend $6 k out of my pocket for insurance. In the area of the US where I live the average income is less than $25 k annually. For that average group to have to potentially pay over 50% of their income on medical expenses in a year is criminal. Let's imagine they say, I'm skipping insurance because I can use that $6 k. Well, the insurance companies have negotiated rates that are less than those who don't have insurance are charged. So if you can't afford insurance the medical providers take more of your money than if you could afford the insurance.

By contrast, in Europe, my standard medical visit, which my torn bicep would fall into this category, had a charge of 28.50. In my case, I had to pay and submit the claim and 90% was returned to me by the insurance. Thanks for sharing your experience. I did respond to your prior comment related to DRG codes. I am not going to criticize or defend the US healthcare system which is indeed complex because we have a combination of payers (private insurance, CMS, Medicaid, exchanges involved, state regulations, health savings plans) and many other complications. If you want to effect change, you need to work inside the system. Anyone can criticize of course, but real change is hard to bring unless people work together and constructively. Entire elections hinge on discussions and changes in US healthcare systems, it is not as if we don't discuss these things internally.

But your situation is different from Polyamoritst's situation. His primary motive often appears to be take cheap shots at the US. See his most recent comment above for example where he makes a nonsensical, made up accusation that US and France funded the research behind Corona virus, and tied it to some incoherent rant about iPhone. When you also notice that he intentionally camouflages his own nationality in these pages and leads with the fake usage of Arab expressions (BFsie already said however that Polyamorist actually is a resident of DE, whether he is a citizen or not), such intentionally false accusations do nothing to promote a constructive and friendly exchange of info on an international site like ISG. Why would any person intentionally uses fake Arab persona, and incite a conflict between US, France, China in a place like this? What good comes out of it?

Sirioja
05-09-20, 20:27
I would like to say for some guys here, France have nothing to do with my writings which are only my subjective opinions and most french on this forum or in clubs don't even agree with me, but in France, we have freedom culture, we can be communist and not persecuted, we don't hide figures when Olympics to come will give figures, to be sure about safety. In medias, France is told to have around 25000 deaths, but I wrote honestly we have unfortunately more than 30000, we know this in France, I fully agree for much too many, but at least we have explanations given and not much more than 2000 without known cause and under 70 yo, when Germany is not far from 6000 deaths. Belgium under confined is worst deaths rate, when Portugal and Greece with very average medical level, have better figures than in Germany. Many African countries have also better figures than Germany. At least in France, people and even foreigners have access to healthcare, even when not working, when poor in US don't go to hospital because they know they can't afford. Are these not real facts? When I m proud to be French, even I don't agree with economic politic, when I pay so high tax since so long, Yes, one of the biggest problem in France is highest rate of tax in the world which don't help our economy compare to China or Africa when we have much higher quality standard than most of countries in the world. If I need to be cured, I put infection in my blood when I was in Frankfurt, really difficult to drive back, I was not able to reach Paris but I fought to reach French border and I left french hospital on next day after peritonitis operation with belly cleaned with medical gaz to clean infection all over, I will never go to any other country. All french should thank our medical staff to take care of us, not only for virus. France have culture and many talents, reason why this small country is the number 1 in the world for tourism, and big loss for income on this year, same in Spain, Italy, Florida. One example for high level talents, when we have many famous artists, cookers, but when Porsche and Audi are highest level cars for me, only Ferrari and Lamborghini can compete but won't resist for same intense and long speed runs, but who build, only with hands, Bugatti which have no competitor, Ferrari or my beloved Porsche 911 turbo are far behind rockets faster than 420 km / h. I remember a NL telling me too many guys believe what I write, he is right, I don't aim to be a example, I m not, nor to have so many followers reading and repeating all what I write, I m not like my new Russian escort lovely beauty Olga, I m just proud to be different, and even paying, as a bad guy, but I would never dare to ask a girl to lick my ass, for my respect for women even prostitutes, and GT busy superstar Kate, or prettiest at Globe Megan know how I behave when they experienced both for more than 50 hours ith me. A bad guy but french Woodman is just a shameful image for men for me, I m much more impressed by Rocco Siffredi size and as I already wrote, only guys who would impress me would be those who have a woman who would say: my man makes me happy as a woman to be with him. This is what I call success to be a real man, not brothels.

Pessimist
05-09-20, 21:20
I will step in since my question lead to the response you responded to. As an American, currently living in the US after nearly 2 decades living in Europe, the US healthcare system confuses me. I recently saw a doctor for a partially torn muscle in my bicep. Five minutes, they didn't even take my blood pressure. I received the bill, $256, to be told to cut back 50% on my lifting for two weeks. My health insurance doesn't cover anything yet because I haven't spent $7 k on medical this year. Oh, and I will spend $6 k out of my pocket for insurance. In the area of the US where I live the average income is less than $25 k annually. For that average group to have to potentially pay over 50% of their income on medical expenses in a year is criminal. Let's imagine they say, I'm skipping insurance because I can use that $6 k. Well, the insurance companies have negotiated rates that are less than those who don't have insurance are charged. So if you can't afford insurance the medical providers take more of your money than if you could afford the insurance.BTW, anecdotal stories like this can vary over a large range. I have an employer paid insurance. Our co pays are a few bucks, our deductibles are pretty much nothing because my employer absorbs them, and I or my family members have been in hospital stays, even a few procedures which cost north of $100 grand and we paid nothing out of pocket. We walked right into the hospital when the need arose and no referral needed because we are on PPO choice plus plans, and we don't need to go through a primary care gate keeper. I know I Am lucky to have a good plan but so do millions of other Americans. For every tough experience, there are hundreds of good experiences as well.

As for medical school tuition, yes it costs money here but the payoff is amazing. I have several friends in the physician / surgical profession and some of them are making high six figure dollar amounts annually, wand quite a few have net worth north of $5 million (the ones who have been doing for 20-30 years and where both spouses are doctors are likely even worth $10 M). I doubt that sort of wealth can be created in Europe. Their taxes are high, take home pay is lower, per capita annual net income is significantly lower, and far fewer people have millions of net worth. Is it good or bad? Depends on who you ask. I think those discussions are beyond the scope of this site. What I don't like or care for is people hiding their own nationality (which is fine actually because this is an anonymous board), giving intentionally fake hints to suggest they are from somewhere else, and then taking cheap shots at other nations.

Pistons
05-09-20, 22:04
The Wuhan Coronavirus Lab was set up with the help of the French government. There were staff going back and forth between China and France. So it wouldn't surprise me if the first outbreak outside China was in France.

Yeah, everybody blames China for this, but let's not forget the role that France and the US had in funding this dangerous research. It was kind of like the way Apple outsourced its iPhone production to Foxconn in China, a place where safety and labor laws are lax. All the workers in China just follow authority blindly, no matter how bad things get.In my point of view it is naive to think this whole thing was not planned from the get go.

The corona virus pandemic has a whole series of intentions behind it, and I bet think tanks have been all over this idea for decades!

Lets see: Globalization measurements. New currency. Scapegoat for an already well underway financial crisis (see repo loan payouts since September, or even may last year). Depopulation agenda (every resource management in UN's agenda boils down to population numbers, and earth overshoot day in August tells me quite a bit on how much they, or even we ourselves, want it reduced by). New sets of martial laws to simplify governance.

Given how the world is already run by a future AI that traveled back in time, we really don't have anything to say. Because it already knows what we have said. That is why Big Brother is everywhere around us. It is the Super AI needing to monitor us. Then again, that AI is probably just a software within the Matrix software we are living in also. To simulate our response to it by an even more super AI. And most 'humans' are probably just non playable characters too. Besides, science even seems to prove this (the double slit experiment and the mathematically more logical holographic universe theory). So it doesn't matter at all what you think or do. And the base reality might just have a totally different set of laws in its own Hilbert space as well, so the base Super AI (or true God) might just be fooling around for fun too.

Even Christianity and Hinduism hints about this. For one, Christianity claims the world is only 5600 years old or so (I think). This can only be argued for if the simulation was started from that point in time. Not that time really exists in a simulation. As it was all probably simulated simultaneously. Christianity (Book of Enoch) also mentions the fallen angels who went down to earth to have sex. So basically, we chose to enter the simulation only to fuck around. LOL! And Hinduism have this whole idea about several lifetimes. So you need to beat the game so to speak. As in trying not to fuck. What the fuck?

Alternatively, if you look at religion from a totally different point of view. Some dude, or AI might have came up with the idea with one purpose only: population control! Just look at the Aztecs and how they sacrificed humans to Quetzalcoatl. Or how the Egyptians and even later King Saul of Israel made their armies chop off the cock of their enemies after battle (and yes, that was how circumcision originated) as a fertility token to be sacrificed to the god. It was all about population control even then. So when we today have this unwritten, so called fantastically civilized rule of; no more wars, a global virus might just do the same trick.

Besides, the more people we are on this planet, or inside this Matrix simulation, the less real players to observe, the less computing power needs to be spent, the more NPC AI's. So the Super AI won't get any interesting data any longer if all it does is monitor its own little NPC 'human-AI' software programs. Or as I like to call them: sheep!

Well, take it for what its worth, but you are naive, or just a sheep, if you think I am all wack! LOL!

Pistons
05-09-20, 22:20
And if you think the computers won't handle this: We can already make computers way more than 1000 times faster than today thanks to Darpa's 3 dsoc program. But it will probably be released in stages according to the financially applicable Moore's Law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FynNze5GkeI

Adding all the multipliers he talks about in that video together you probably reach 100 000+ times faster compute. So self replicating nanofactories and maybe even foglets are easily within reach with the technology we have today. Especially when also adding in optics like this, bumping up the speeds even more:

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/photonic-breakthrough-new-light-emitting-silicon-eliminates-heat-in-pcb-design/

Pistons
05-09-20, 22:29
And guess what else is DARPA funded. Virus and bacteria research on pandemics such as ebola, corona and malaria. Not that it means anything. LOL.

Turgid
05-09-20, 22:34
If you had a choice of sex with mask in FKK or to wank at home without mask which would you choose?

Akibono
05-09-20, 23:06
A test at the airport upon entrance into a country would make more sense as well. Presenting a test result at immigration makes no sense as the visitor could have gotten infected after the test.Not practical. Imagine two plane loads of visitors. That is 500 people that need to be tested. At least 2 hrs. For a line to adminster the test and another hour at least to get the results and to clear people. In the mean time, you have 500 people in a holding pen infecting each other if 1 person tests positive. Then no one gets out. Meanwhile, more planes are arriving. What do you do about the people who test positive? The only solution is testing before boarding. At least then you know your fellow passengers will probably be clean.

Mr Ho
05-10-20, 00:09
In brothels, I only believe in what I see or experience, when my best FKK girl, Romanian looking like a woman of course, was queen of lies and gossiping, the best and she improved so much, to follow me for my way in bed, but her lies and new image made her not anymore desirable for me as I told her, not anymore chic enough for my taste when I chose her for her manners when she started and she really impressed me on some times until mid March 2017 or when I returned to her on September when she needed less than 3 hours to reorganize as before. On Thursday, after sex, Russian from Moscow, not Romanian, Olga behave exactly like Romanians, she could tell me: condom is full, bye, see You, but not at all, I know she discovered with her round big eyes and she also showed me about her private, gave me Russian private to meet without management, after only 1 hour with a guy she doesn't know, when Paris is not so safe for escorts, unfortunately many were attacked, robbed and never returned and I had to drive to Milano for Tatar wow Zoya, I remember on ice on top of Gran San Bernardino when they closed on that mid October night, but maybe because she saw her little female dog so in love with me, maybe on next time she will propose me to try the dog, or maybe like many FKK, mostly Romanian, beauties, she just felt safe, from my manners and respect for women. She is different profile of escort, not on tour, but living in Paris for modeling and photos shooting and instagram, closer to normal woman and she didn't seem to have busy sex, so fresh and tight, a pretty Russian doll, but with exactly same behavior with me than Romanians. It must be my face to inspire trust, when I had many Russian girls for nights in not safe Paris and even a magic night in Peter for 400 USD. Also same behavior on my few visits in Catalunya with Ukrainian or Belarus Katya showing me her private, when Russians seen were not pretty enough, not on Olga look level.Exactly, so you do believe in prostitutes in FKK, I don't, I appreciate their service, kindness and crazy dirty deep I don't believe she just did that kind of sex that I pay for, but once I am out of door, it is pay and good bye time, it just stay good memories, and I don't take them seriously. But you do even knowing all the names, past names, exact dates etc.

I think there are different type of monger, I am normal monger who seek sex in brothel, I want to fuck like crazy in brothel, you know real good sex. Siri, you seek for more than sex, you don't even get same level of sex as I do in FKK, you want relation with prostitutes, this is not my thing, but there are some mongers who want to have relation with prostitutes like you do and believe in prostitutes. I don't believe in prostitutes, I just fuck them good LOL! Unlike you LOL!

I am professional prostitute fucker, you are professional prostitutes worshiper LOL!

Mr Ho
05-10-20, 00:14
The Wuhan Coronavirus Lab was set up with the help of the French government. There were staff going back and forth between China and France. So it wouldn't surprise me if the first outbreak outside China was in France.

Yeah, everybody blames China for this, but let's not forget the role that France and the US had in funding this dangerous research. It was kind of like the way Apple outsourced its iPhone production to Foxconn in China, a place where safety and labor laws are lax. All the workers in China just follow authority blindly, no matter how bad things get.Yes and it came back on France, and France did not even notice they had it in December. France do not have good enough technology, France is good with food and fashion, rest is same level as China, except China is much richer than France now by far.

As for USA, if you look at death per population, it is not too bad. And yes, they also were involved in lab, but to warn the danger of the lad as it was not well managed and look what happened.

It turns out Europe had corona first after China and spread around world. Look at death rates of France, Spain and Italy. It is war level death rate, and increasing.

Mr Ho
05-10-20, 00:16
Like for sex, you are so impressive knowing better than doctors, when so many foreigners come to be cured and I and French who work, not many at the moment, pay for.Yeah so many middle east former colony of France LOL that are still back in 19th century technology, so they got no choice. France is not good in technology or medical. Look at death rate of France, just look. It is not because of just fat people and old as you claim, France is no longer strong nation. Only Germany is strong in Europe.

Apollyon
05-10-20, 00:35
If you had a choice of sex with mask in FKK or to wank at home without mask which would you choose?Plenty of FKK girls available without mask here. Didn't think North Americans wanked! You sure you are not from Notting Hill London? Thanks for your most excellent post. Great fun. Many including myself having a great laugh. Keep up all the great work. You really should post some more.

Pessimist
05-10-20, 01:02
What is reliability for tests? Not high for those in nose.WSj has an article on antigen based test, from a company called Quidel. I think it uses nose swabs. Apparently the accuracy is 85%. I don't know if it gives too many false positives or false negatives. If we are going to ramp up to 4 million tests per day in the US, which currently is less than 300 K daily, we need a new type of test. PCR is too slow but accurate. Perhaps we use Antigen test as a first round test and if it is positive then we confirm with PCR.

ExpatLover
05-10-20, 02:42
If you had a choice of sex with mask in FKK or to wank at home without mask which would you choose?

Answer:

I am single so your proposed choice is not possible for me. But I can t imagine myself visiting a prostitute or a FKK before long time. This virus seems to be quite aggressive and how can I imagine having relatively safe sex knowing that this virus is able to enter my body even through my eyes, I also can t imagine not licking a woman this also may be at very high risk. On top of that, I am extremely selective and only looking for real natural beauties, young, fresh without tattoos, Botox, sili, hair extensions. And unfortunately those king of woman was very difficult to find in the FKK in the recent years. Probably with the reduced travel possibilities in Europe the LU will be poor.

Positively since I drastically reduced my FKK escapes and escort dates (from 2017) my finances are getting so munch better.

Polyamorist
05-10-20, 03:09
If you had a choice of ̶s̶e̶x̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶m̶a̶s̶k̶ mask with sex in FKK or to wank at home without mask which would you choose?Salaam Turgid. I assume they will provide Gorilla masks and Freddy Krueger masks as these turn on the girls the most. For a lesbian theme, put on a Paris Hilton mask. As for wanking at home, nobody can see me so I would settle for a plain surgical mask. Three of them actually. One for my face, one for my dick, and one for the pickle.

Some FKKs may have striptease shows where the girl gradually peels off her face mask, showing some cheeky rouge, then her lips and maybe even a hint of tongue at the end.

Mr Ho
05-10-20, 03:44
If you had a choice of sex with mask in FKK or to wank at home without mask which would you choose?Just like with BBBJ law, I do what I want in room with FKK girls and all girls will agree as they agreed so far, therefore, nothing will change once FKK reopen, which is up to governments to decide when it will be open, how will not affect me once the door is closed to fuck FKK girls, it all happens behind door and I am free as pierre woodman the pride of all french men to do what I want with girl, calls her chien! Chien! And spank that ass doggy style LOL!

Chien! Chien!

Mr Ho
05-10-20, 04:04
WSj has an article on antigen based test, from a company called Quidel. I think it uses nose swabs. Apparently the accuracy is 85%. I don't know if it gives too many false positives or false negatives. If we are going to ramp up to 4 million tests per day in the US, which currently is less than 300 K daily, we need a new type of test. PCR is too slow but accurate. Perhaps we use Antigen test as a first round test and if it is positive then we confirm with PCR.France should have used more accurate test last December, when they began having Corona virus and did not even realized they had it LOL! Which lead to crazy war level death rates in France.

Sirioja
05-10-20, 04:40
Thanks for sharing your experience. I did respond to your prior comment related to DRG codes. I am not going to criticize or defend the US healthcare system which is indeed complex because we have a combination of payers (private insurance, CMS, Medicaid, exchanges involved, state regulations, health savings plans) and many other complications. If you want to effect change, you need to work inside the system. Anyone can criticize of course, but real change is hard to bring unless people work together and constructively. Entire elections hinge on discussions and changes in US healthcare systems, it is not as if we don't discuss these things internally.

But your situation is different from Polyamoritst's situation. His primary motive often appears to be take cheap shots at the US. See his most recent comment above for example where he makes a nonsensical, made up accusation that US and France funded the research behind Corona virus, and tied it to some incoherent rant about iPhone. When you also notice that he intentionally camouflages his own nationality in these pages and leads with the fake usage of Arab expressions (BFsie already said however that Polyamorist actually is a resident of DE, whether he is a citizen or not), such intentionally false accusations do nothing to promote a constructive and friendly exchange of info on an international site like ISG. Why would any person intentionally uses fake Arab persona, and incite a conflict between US, France, China in a place like this? What good comes out of it?But when people lose job, like so many millions now, or don't have full time job, they don't have healthcare insurance and can t afford to pay for healthcare, reason why Afro Americans and illegals die much more than others, they don t go to hospital, they keep on working to have money to eat. At least, in US like in Western Europe, we get figures and explanations about what happen, with US figures planned to be around 150000 deaths at the end of Summer, I dont know if they control about so many new poor people now without insurance and more than 10 millions illegals, how could they control for illegals? I thought to remember Obama tried to change about healthcare right.

Chongmal
05-10-20, 05:01
Exactly, so you do believe in prostitutes in FKK,

I am professional prostitute fucker, you are professional prostitutes worshiper LOL!Are you asking if he believes in prostitutes or if he believes the prostitutes. It changes the context drastically.

To be a professional prostitute fucker means you get paid to fuck them. Who is paying? I want to submit my application. I am a frequent fucker of professional prostitutes.

Sirioja
05-10-20, 05:04
WSj has an article on antigen based test, from a company called Quidel. I think it uses nose swabs. Apparently the accuracy is 85%. I don't know if it gives too many false positives or false negatives. If we are going to ramp up to 4 million tests per day in the US, which currently is less than 300 K daily, we need a new type of test. PCR is too slow but accurate. Perhaps we use Antigen test as a first round test and if it is positive then we confirm with PCR.UK received millions Chinese tests which were not reliable. People died in France from virus when tests made in hospitals were negative. I'm not doctor but I think to remember nose test works only when you are under infection, not much with people with no symptom who are the most numerous and can give real infection to others. I think only reliable test is on blood, but you can be infected on the day after. Like they decide in Sweden and I don't know if this is best way, but we have now to live with this killer virus even seem to slow down in Western Europe, but still strong in US poor places and growing in Brazil. Some health profiles are now at risk, they should be very careful. Same for who have beloved relatives they can give to.

Sirioja
05-10-20, 05:47
Exactly, so you do believe in prostitutes in FKK, I don't, I appreciate their service, kindness and crazy dirty deep I don't believe she just did that kind of sex that I pay for, but once I am out of door, it is pay and good bye time, it just stay good memories, and I don't take them seriously. But you do even knowing all the names, past names, exact dates etc.

I think there are different type of monger, I am normal monger who seek sex in brothel, I want to fuck like crazy in brothel, you know real good sex. Siri, you seek for more than sex, you don't even get same level of sex as I do in FKK, you want relation with prostitutes, this is not my thing, but there are some mongers who want to have relation with prostitutes like you do and believe in prostitutes. I don't believe in prostitutes, I just fuck them good LOL! Unlike you LOL!

I am professional prostitute fucker, you are professional prostitutes worshiper LOL!But didn't you read and understand Olga is not FKK Romanian, but Russian living in Paris since beginning of the year to try career, not classical escort on tour profile, why she is interesting, more normal woman, but exactly same behavior than FKK Romanians, and same with so many other Russian escorts I got out of agencies, for nights after work, telling about their life, really not needing to ask for, same in any place, same with Rachel GT, Sandra Sharks and wow Elena. De in Germany. When women trust, they need to speak, indeed after or before sex, to feel safe, but you need to have level for this, a bit higher and also for performance for real, not porn comedy, than Woodman style. Sex is not only to empty balls for me, I won't pay only for this, I prefer pleasure in mind, even much more difficult to get.

Smoothy
05-10-20, 06:24
Some FKKs may have striptease shows where the girl gradually peels off her face mask, showing some cheeky rouge, then her lips and maybe even a hint of tongue at the end.Damn, that's hot.

Smoothy
05-10-20, 07:32
As for USA, if you look at death per population, it is not too bad..That's if you trust those numbers worldwide to be accurate. Which they are not. Why try to come to any comparisons / conclusions when everyone knows those numbers are not accurate? Some countries under represent the number of deaths / cases and other countries over represent the number of deaths / cases. Most countries are not reporting all of their deaths. Even the numbers in the USA are not accurate because they push the corona virus death numbers up on purpose. The way the system is setup with the US Government funding, if a person dies of coronavirus, they get 13,000 usd free from the Government. If they are on the vent from coronavirus, they get 30,000 usd. If they die from anything else or go on the vent due to anything else, they get zero. So they are basically claiming that anyone who even possibly may have corona died of corona, which is far from the truth.

The death numbers they are posting in the US are higher than reality. Just the opposite has happened in China (obviously).

RealZoom
05-10-20, 07:56
WSj has an article on antigen based test, from a company called Quidel. I think it uses nose swabs. Apparently the accuracy is 85%. I don't know if it gives too many false positives or false negatives. If we are going to ramp up to 4 million tests per day in the US, which currently is less than 300 K daily, we need a new type of test. PCR is too slow but accurate. Perhaps we use Antigen test as a first round test and if it is positive then we confirm with PCR.No offence intended, but 85% is ways to little accuracy to be used for serious testing and monitoring infections. Every false positive will feel safe, ignore rules as he is "safe", catch the virus and happily spread it until he gets serious ill and will be retested, or even worse, just have mild symptoms and become a super-spreader.

Tests with such an accuracy might be used for personal entertainment only, but have zero epidemiological value.

Just my 2 cents.

Kuni042
05-10-20, 10:39
I purchased two packs of 10 filters for about 20 bucks each. You can get this all purchased at https://www.indiegogo.com.

The major bottleneck is. Shipment isn't before August!


The website says the HEPA filters in the mask are only good for 150 hours of use. If you can't replace the filters (and there is no mention of replacement filters on the website), what do you do with the mask other than throw it (and your $199) away?

Sirioja
05-10-20, 11:55
I purchased two packs of 10 filters for about 20 bucks each. You can get this all purchased at https://www.indiegogo.com.

The major bottleneck is. Shipment isn't before August!What for? To go to German stores which opened? Or to go for sex looking like fireman. I don t put mask to go to stores in France, this is not compulsory in France where many stores never closed, I go every week to buy foods, to buy gas because I work more than usual under virus because much more complicated conditions for my teams and I m responsible about their working safety. I often meet police at the moment for controls. Of course, no mask when I went to Olga. Ru, we didn't even talk about, when I saw her I just felt desire, I extended time just for her look and all was full GFE fluent with many real DFK, but as I often say, I'm not a example to follow, if You are not really sure to be strong health enough or if You have relatives You can infect, then better to be very careful, meaning staying away from paid sex. My advice. Restaurants and bars should also open in Germany, but brothels would be high risk for German R0 with many guys who don t look so healthy. No hurry for me, I will wait for borders opening, I think 15 May for Germany, but only 15 June for France, but I won t go to put on mask, not my libido, needing to see pretty faces.

McAdonis
05-10-20, 12:28
Just like in P6 activities, in medical communities money motivates. I write this without evidence or first hand knowledge, so I will be careful with wording and punctuation. Is it true that in the US a hospital gets paid over 56 times more if a patients cause of death is ruled to be from COVID-19 rather than the flu? If the numbers are $17000 compared to $300 could this possibly motivate hospitals to find more COVID-19 deaths?
This can be easily verified by comparing deaths from other illnesses to those during a similar period last year.Most places are experiencing higher than normal death rates when comparing against historical averages:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html.

So that might give a slightly more accurate picture. Similar to the stories of Wuhan where many mobile phone numbers suddenly fell into disuse, or more urns than normal were delivered to funeral homes.

Turgid
05-10-20, 16:04
Not practical. Imagine two plane loads of visitors. That is 500 people that need to be tested. At least 2 hrs. For a line to adminster the test and another hour at least to get the results and to clear people. In the mean time, you have 500 people in a holding pen infecting each other if 1 person tests positive. Then no one gets out. Meanwhile, more planes are arriving. What do you do about the people who test positive? The only solution is testing before boarding. At least then you know your fellow passengers will probably be clean.Wouldn't the same logistical problems exist testing at airport before boarding?

The Cane
05-10-20, 16:16
Wouldn't the same logistical problems exist testing at airport before boarding?Yes you would. Testing at an airport would be a terrible idea! The airport is no place for testing, diagnosis, vaccinations, and so on. All that sort of thing should happen at hospitals and clinics set up specifically for that purpose. You don't get your tests, shots, visas, identification, and all that stuff at the airport. Better to have all those matters squared away before you show up at the airport so that when you get there, you're cleared and ready to travel. The only thing that might be good to do would be quick temperature scans to identify who is traveling with a fever. You can do that without creating a massive jam of passengers.

Sirioja
05-10-20, 19:09
That's if you trust those numbers worldwide to be accurate. Which they are not. Why try to come to any comparisons / conclusions when everyone knows those numbers are not accurate? Some countries under represent the number of deaths / cases and other countries over represent the number of deaths / cases. Most countries are not reporting all of their deaths. Even the numbers in the USA are not accurate because they push the corona virus death numbers up on purpose. The way the system is setup with the US Government funding, if a person dies of coronavirus, they get 13,000 usd free from the Government. If they are on the vent from coronavirus, they get 30,000 usd. If they die from anything else or go on the vent due to anything else, they get zero. So they are basically claiming that anyone who even possibly may have corona died of corona, which is far from the truth.

The death numbers they are posting in the US are higher than reality. Just the opposite has happened in China (obviously).US tell only 78000 deaths at the moment, with more than 1500 per day, but what about so many people without insurance and illegals, for who nobody know. On this crisis, I'm not, but if I was American, I think I would trust more Obama than Trump.

Akibono
05-10-20, 19:45
Wouldn't the same logistical problems exist testing at airport before boarding?No. You can test hours earlier and those who do not pass do not get to board. You could probably test a day earlier if you accept some risk. Plus, safer on plane if everyone is virus free.

Pessimist
05-10-20, 20:22
No offence intended, but 85% is ways to little accuracy to be used for serious testing and monitoring infections. Every false positive will feel safe, ignore rules as he is "safe", catch the virus and happily spread it until he gets serious ill and will be retested, or even worse, just have mild symptoms and become a super-spreader.

Tests with such an accuracy might be used for personal entertainment only, but have zero epidemiological value.

Just my 2 cents.None taken! In fact, I quite agree with you. But we need to scale up testing. We are doing 250,000 tests a day. All the experts are saying 5 to 10 million tests are necessary to fully reopen the economy in the US. Our current PCR test is quite accurate but too slow and it does not look like we can do 5 million PCR tests per day in the next few months. What can we do? The antigen based test is an answer. Even if the accuracy is a bit low, it enables mass scale testing.

I would much rather tests give too many false positives. If someone has been falsely diagnosed as positive, a subsequent accurate test will show he is not. Too many false negative tests is a problem because the infected people think they are clear, mingle with the rest of us and spread the virus.

Bfsie
05-10-20, 20:34
BigBuddy69,

You asked me about massage a few days ago. Just let you know that all types of Massage parlors in NRW are allowed to be reopened from tomorrow (May 11), but I think you know it is illegal to offer any kind of sex service in massage parlors in Germany.

According to one poster on Rheinforum who studied new measures (see the link below), escort service will also be allowed in NRW from tomorrow although it is not clearly stated in the measures.

https://www.land.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/2020-05-08_fassung_coronaschvo_ab_11.05.2020_lesefassung_final_0.pdf

Mr Ho
05-10-20, 23:55
But didn't you read and understand Olga is not FKK Romanian, but Russian living in Paris since beginning of the year to try career, not classical escort on tour profile, why she is interesting, more normal woman, but exactly same behavior than FKK Romanians, and same with so many other Russian escorts I got out of agencies, for nights after work, telling about their life, really not needing to ask for, same in any place, same with Rachel GT, Sandra Sharks and wow Elena. De in Germany. When women trust, they need to speak, indeed after or before sex, to feel safe, but you need to have level for this, a bit higher and also for performance for real, not porn comedy, than Woodman style. Sex is not only to empty balls for me, I won't pay only for this, I prefer pleasure in mind, even much more difficult to get.They are prostitutes Siri, you can call prostitutes to seek for some relation like you do, but generally, prostitutes are there to have sexual relation based on money, not to seek personal relation try to find out about their private information, they do not like that, it is creepy LOL.

They may tell you differently because they have to handle you as a client and very difficult and creepy one LOL. Put yourself on their shoes LOL.

I call prostitutes or go to FKK to fuck. To have personal relations I got my private life with friends to do that. I don't need prostitutes in my private lives and prostitutes don't need their clients in their private lives, they need us in their professional lives.

Mr Ho
05-11-20, 00:18
That's if you trust those numbers worldwide to be accurate. Which they are not. Why try to come to any comparisons / conclusions when everyone knows those numbers are not accurate? Some countries under represent the number of deaths / cases and other countries over represent the number of deaths / cases. Most countries are not reporting all of their deaths. Even the numbers in the USA are not accurate because they push the corona virus death numbers up on purpose. The way the system is setup with the US Government funding, if a person dies of coronavirus, they get 13,000 usd free from the Government. If they are on the vent from coronavirus, they get 30,000 usd. If they die from anything else or go on the vent due to anything else, they get zero. So they are basically claiming that anyone who even possibly may have corona died of corona, which is far from the truth.

The death numbers they are posting in the US are higher than reality. Just the opposite has happened in China (obviously).As for so called red team like China and Russia no, and as for emerging nations or less developed nations corona is not there yet in some of these nations and they don't have infrastructure to test them anyways.

I would say G7 nations figures for death rates are more or less accurate. As for infection rates, some nations are not doing test on everyone who ask for it to avoid cluster infection at hospitals and also to protect medical infrastructures to decrease death rates and it is saving lives that is important and not testing people who ask for it, so it is right measure.

Situation seems to be getting bit calmer for first wave, let see if there is second wave like Spanish flu, which killed more people with second wave.

Pessimist
05-11-20, 00:56
That's if you trust those numbers worldwide to be accurate. Which they are not. Why try to come to any comparisons / conclusions when everyone knows those numbers are not accurate? Some countries under represent the number of deaths / cases and other countries over represent the number of deaths / cases. Most countries are not reporting all of their deaths. Even the numbers in the USA are not accurate because they push the corona virus death numbers up on purpose. The way the system is setup with the US Government funding, if a person dies of coronavirus, they get 13,000 usd free from the Government. If they are on the vent from coronavirus, they get 30,000 usd. If they die from anything else or go on the vent due to anything else, they get zero. So they are basically claiming that anyone who even possibly may have corona died of corona, which is far from the truth.

The death numbers they are posting in the US are higher than reality. Just the opposite has happened in China (obviously).This is total BS. Analysis from every single nation shows that far more people died in March and April of this year than did in prior years and only a fraction of those were classified as dying from Corona. This is happening even as deaths due to traffic accidents, gun violence, work place accidents have massively declined. All analysts and experts are saying many deaths which are due to Corona are not being classified as such because those people were never tested.

As for this excess payment for a Corona death than normal death in US hospitals -- this is a lie being propagated by people who don't have faintest fucking clue about US hospitals, DRG codes, reimbursement methods, US insurance system, interplay of CMS and private employer insurance and so many other things. Enough said.

Polyamorist
05-11-20, 02:03
Given how the world is already run by a future AI that traveled back in time, we really don't have anything to say. Because it already knows what we have said. That is why Big Brother is everywhere around us. It is the Super AI needing to monitor us. Then again, that AI is probably just a software within the Matrix software we are living in also. To simulate our response to it by an even more super AI. And most 'humans' are probably just non playable characters too. Besides, science even seems to prove this (the double slit experiment and the mathematically more logical holographic universe theory). So it doesn't matter at all what you think or do. And the base reality might just have a totally different set of laws in its own Hilbert space as well, so the base Super AI (or true God) might just be fooling around for fun too.Salaam Pistons and may your herd of goats never stray from the road to Mecca. I think you discovered much of the above from the speculative text Hyperion by Dan Simmons. If not, give it a read!



But your situation is different from Polyamoritst's situation. His primary motive often appears to be take cheap shots at the US. See his most recent comment above for example where he makes a nonsensical, made up accusation that US and France funded the research behind Corona virus, and tied it to some incoherent rant about iPhone. When you also notice that he intentionally camouflages his own nationality in these pages and leads with the fake usage of Arab expressions (BFsie already said however that Polyamorist actually is a resident of DE, whether he is a citizen or not), such intentionally false accusations do nothing to promote a constructive and friendly exchange of info on an international site like ISG.I'm flattered by your attention and curiosity, Pessimist. I just wanted to assure you that I am a very open person and all you had to do was send me a PM and (as with anyone who asks) I would return my name, address, email, scan of my Caliphate Driving License, SSN, credit card number, DNA pdf and (new) Wuhan Travel Permit QR-code. My sole regret is that the rules of the forum prohibit me from putting this information in a public post, leaving people such as yourself with the impression that I have something to hide. The only thing I would ask you to share in return is the location of your jail / work unit so I may come and read to you and perhaps convert you to the True Faith.

As for the idea of residence in Germany, your research may have been a bit lacking. It seems unlikely if you look at my posting times with a magnifying glass. If you catch me dropping into Deutsch from time to time that is just a Zufall due my excessive Whatsapping with Dusseldorf Hobbyhuren. But why shouldn't I live over there if I wanted to? My dream would be to manage my own little kebab shop in Neukolln and head to the raves at night. I would be a shoo-in to the party scene anywhere in Germany with my dusky skin, thick accent and sexy limp acquired during the Six-Day War.

Pessimist
05-11-20, 02:48
Salaam Pistons and may your herd of goats never stray from the road to Mecca. I think you discovered much of the above from the speculative text Hyperion by Dan Simmons. If not, give it a read!

I'm flattered by your attention and curiosity, Pessimist. I just wanted to assure you that I am a very open person and all you had to do was send me a PM and (as with anyone who asks) I would return my name, address, email, scan of my Caliphate Driving License, SSN, credit card number, DNA pdf and (new) Wuhan Travel Permit QR-code. My sole regret is that the rules of the forum prohibit me from putting this information in a public post, leaving people such as yourself with the impression that I have something to hide. The only thing I would ask you to share in return is the location of your jail / work unit so I may come and read to you and perhaps convert you to the True Faith.

As for the idea of residence in Germany, your research may have been a bit lacking. It seems unlikely if you look at my posting times with a magnifying glass. But why shouldn't I live over there if I wanted to? My dream would be to manage my own little kebab shop in Neukolln and head to the raves at night. I would be a shoo-in to the party scene anywhere in Germany with my dusky skin, thick accent and sexy limp acquired during the Six-Day War.Sorry, Poly! Your slander that I am in prison is out of line and reflective of your own lack of class; the sarcasm in the rest of your comment is wasted. No one cares where you are from; You do give several false hints constantly with those fake Arab invocations which were funny once or twice but after a while are tiresome to most people. Be that as it may, your continual cheap shots at US are indicative that perhaps in the past this country was not nice to you, or perhaps simply you are jealous of Americans who are far more wealthy than where you may be from. I do not care what drives you or motivates you in this needless and pointless animosity to US, I simply observe that your comments are full of cheap shots and falsehoods about US, and it is obvious to any American that you pretty much have no clue about America. It would be far better if you focused on your mongering life and contributed info in that direction which is the point of ISG, and not denigrating some other country of which you are jealous.

Mr Ho
05-11-20, 03:01
That's if you trust those numbers worldwide to be accurate. Which they are not. Why try to come to any comparisons / conclusions when everyone knows those numbers are not accurate? Some countries under represent the number of deaths / cases and other countries over represent the number of deaths / cases. Most countries are not reporting all of their deaths. Even the numbers in the USA are not accurate because they push the corona virus death numbers up on purpose. The way the system is setup with the US Government funding, if a person dies of coronavirus, they get 13,000 usd free from the Government. If they are on the vent from coronavirus, they get 30,000 usd. If they die from anything else or go on the vent due to anything else, they get zero. So they are basically claiming that anyone who even possibly may have corona died of corona, which is far from the truth.

The death numbers they are posting in the US are higher than reality. Just the opposite has happened in China (obviously).It does not surprise me if Chinese government did this on half purpose to mess up US election, so Trump, which is Chinese enemy number one won't be elected.

I hope American voters are smart enough to figure out, republican is the last wall to stop crazy things from not happening, but going worst, so they will vote wisely.

TeaInTheSun
05-11-20, 06:22
It does not surprise me if Chinese government did this on half purpose to mess up US election, so Trump, which is Chinese enemy number one won't be elected.

I hope American voters are smart enough to figure out, republican is the last wall to stop crazy things from not happening, but going worst, so they will vote wisely.With Obama this crisis would not have been a disaster in US. Biden is not the best and I am worried about how weak can be him in facing with Republicans. Trump could win if he announces the vaccine before November.

Tedesco
05-11-20, 07:58
CIM won't be allowed then ... will be cure to this virus soon. Otherwise I don't see the clubs opening before that.It was, it is and it will be unnecessary to discuss any kind of features which male guests expect or are suprised to get in touch with when being in a club. Why? Nobody got a look beyond the closed door but assumptions and rumours make the round what happens and the conditions for realisation. Meanwhile it's ridiculous that traditional STD and HIV aren't anymore in the focus of board members (maybe most of the guys always have a broad-spectrum antibiotic in their pockets or stories about welllknown clubs are only fairy tales) but castles' building in the air thinking that there is a vaccine close to approval by FDA is the key for unlimited pleasure in the future??

McAdonis
05-11-20, 08:05
NRW is the hotspot for Corona since the very first beginning as e.g. carnival events worked like a splitter in several regions. But the prime minister of NRW since weeks is one of the opinion leaders arguing for more freedom especially in social life.Maybe specific small towns in NRW. Dusseldorf is the second most populous city in NRW, but seems like maybe 5-6 cities have more total cases: https://www.wz.de/nrw/fallzahlen-so-viele-coronavirus-infizierte-gibt-es-in-nrw_aid-49482175.

Total cases, Bavaria has 44 K, NRW 35 K, Baden-Wurttemberg 33 K. Per 100 K, Bavaria has 339, Baden-Wrttem*berg 300, NRW 196: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Fallzahlen.html.

Berlin is the biggest city and has the second-highest population density behind Munich, yet they only have 167 cases per 100 K. Hessen only has 144 per 100 K and it has the by far the most busiest airport. I find that surprising.

Sirioja
05-11-20, 08:10
It was, it is and it will be unnecessary to discuss any kind of features which male guests expect or are suprised to get in touch with when being in a club. Why? Nobody got a look beyond the closed door but assumptions and rumours make the round what happens and the conditions for realisation. Meanwhile it's ridiculous that traditional STD and HIV aren't anymore in the focus of board members (maybe most of the guys always have a broad-spectrum antibiotic in their pockets or stories about welllknown clubs are only fairy tales) but castles' building in the air thinking that there is a vaccine close to approval by FDA is the key for unlimited pleasure in the future??I often don't understand what I read about AO and HIV. I'm not afraid by much, I'm used to take big risks nearly weekly, I don't worry much about virus for me, I'm pretty sure virus was already in clubs on mid March when I was there, but I m afraid of HIV, because even you succeed to survive for a while, You will be weak for your life. I don't want to die like this.

Bfsie
05-11-20, 09:50
(BFsie already said however that Polyamorist actually is a resident of DE, whether he is a citizen or not), Just to be clear, he used to live in Germany and I think he still lived here at the time I mentioned about his residence. I don't know where he lives now and when he left Germany if he doesn't live here anymore.

Chongmal
05-11-20, 10:05
Just reading the news of frustration and protest at the speed of which Germany loosens the lockdown controls. Seems that the people want more freedoms and are willing to break havoc in their cities and risk long term detention to express their discontent with the current situation.

At the same time, the Robert Koch Institute has reported an uptick in COVID-19 cases since the lockdown restrictions began to loosen up and or since people began ignoring them.

Now in the US we are seeing a new crisis. It seems toilet paper is again available in stores and stores are now posting they will not accept returns of personal stockpiles of toilet paper. The new crisis is a meat shortage. Suddenly there is not enough refrigeration capacity to safely store the meat being processed. Farmers are having to slaughter and dispose of animals. I guess they expire on the hoof if not butchered by a certain age. In the village where I live, which has at least one bovine per human, the beef shortage has caused the price of beef hash to increase by nearly 100%, there was recently no pork, price of chicken is up 30%, eggs recently went from $4 per dozen to over $9 per dozen. Fortunately I can buy fuel for $1.74 per American gallon so I can drive to the mountains to go fishing, as long as there are no more than 3 people in a 15 ft boat and no more than 10 boats on the lake.

Turgid
05-11-20, 13:54
No. You can test hours earlier and those who do not pass do not get to board. You could probably test a day earlier if you accept some risk. Plus, safer on plane if everyone is virus free.Test a day earlier and person has whole day to be infected after being tested before flight. The choice is delay at airport before flight or delay at airport after flight. I prefer the latter.

Pistons
05-11-20, 14:26
Salaam Pistons and may your herd of goats never stray from the road to Mecca. I think you discovered much of the above from the speculative text Hyperion by Dan Simmons. If not, give it a read!Just too many youtube videos on technology and philosophy. From seminars and documentaries, to the average joes slapped together own ideas. And a few theories and links myself too. But I'll check out that book.

Pessimist
05-11-20, 14:47
Just to be clear, he used to live in Germany and I think he still lived here at the time I mentioned about his residence. I don't know where he lives now and when he left Germany if he doesn't live here anymore.Thank you Bfsie. Sorry, I did and't mean to drag you into this squabble, my apologies to you. I really have no interest to know who lives where and why -- I am not disclosing my city and state either, although my country of residence has been obvious. My only point is that when someone intentionally camouflages their residence and origin using obviously fake expressions as a ruse, they should not be posting continual derogatory comments on other countries in a forum dedicated to international sex mongers. Let us respect all nations and nationalities and let us not throw stones at each other. Thank you.