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McAdonis
07-16-20, 23:11
We look to ourselves to survive and do not depend on the government. Our best president of last 50 years Reagan said government is part of the problem, not of solution. We own guns to protect ourselves; I do myself even if I live in a very nice gated complex.Among Americans over 73, Reagan is most popular. Reagan edges Obama for age group 38-53. (https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/history/info-2018/pew-recent-president-survey.html) I didn't realize how unpopular JFK was. In my views, the current debates on police violence can be traced to Reagan's time in office. I think guns would be a good idea no matter where you live in the USA.

Just some thoughts on some of your other comments, that I didn't get around to responding too. RE: My caginess, I would say I try not to be too dogmatic or profess that something is undeniably true. RE: Nationalism: Younger Americans seem less likely to buy into ideas of American exceptionalism.


"Millennials also were much less inclined to embrace the idea that America is the greatest country in the world. Only half of millennials felt that way, compared to much higher percentages of the other three generations. In a related response, only one-quarter of millenials saw the need for the U.S. to be the dominant world leader. These findings track with the 2014 American National Election Study, which found that while 78 percent of silent, 70 percent of boomer and 60 percent of Gen X respondents consider their American identity as extremely important, only 45 percent of millennials do."

https://theconversation.com/millennials-are-so-over-us-domination-of-world-affairs-99167

"Younger people in the United States often have more positive views of foreign countries and institutions than their elders, according to Pew Research Center surveys. But do these attitudes persist as generations age? Results of a new analysis indicate that even as they grow older, younger generations tend to be more internationally oriented, more favorably disposed to groups, leaders and countries beyond their border, and less likely to see the U.S. as exceptional."

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2018/02/02/millennials-are-on-the-frontlines-of-political-and-cultural-change-in-america/RE: Is predicting unrest / civil war in USA anti-USA? CIA Factbook considers a GINI over 40 to be a precursor for unrest and instability. That said, a richer country having a GINI of 45 should be more stable than a Third World country with the same GINI. The USA has had a GINI ratio above that threshold since the early 1990's. I have to imagine that at various points throughout the last quarter century, that FBI analysts while presenting reports to their superiors, might have echoed sentiments similar to mine.

Lastly, I could envision the pendulum swing from superpower nations towards smaller, powerful city-states. Didn't California half-heartedly suggest this? I am not predicting or hoping that US, EU, and China break up, but given the ease at which social media and mainstream media are able to create division, maybe the world evolves towards alliances of city-states. I am sure my investment portfolio would not appreciate that instability.


"Today cities power over two-thirds of global GDP: they are marvels of innovation and engines for prosperity. Cities are open, plural and cosmopolitan while nation states are closed, nativist and parochial. ".

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/as-nation-states-falter-cities-are-stepping-up/.

McAdonis
07-16-20, 23:21
This is due to the migrants. Most of the migrants come from countries where men and women bathe in separate beaches and even in the women only beaches the women bathe in clothes covered from head to toe so if a peeping tom is getting his rocks off at a women's beach he can only see the eyes and nose.Seems like you are talking about Muslims. I am sure their numbers will continue to grow in the coming decades, but at least back in 2014, there weren't enough Muslims to impose their worldviews on nudity culture.


"How much do people living in Germany know about the countrys Muslim population? This issue of the Research Units To The Point analyses one facet of what people know about Muslims based on an analysis of the 2014 SVR Integration Barometer: how many Muslims live in Germany? The analysis shows that around 70 per cent of respondents overestimate, in some cases significantly, the number of Muslims living in Germany. Nearly one-third of those surveyed estimated the number to be higher than 10 million although the actual figure is only around 4 million. Key factors in the accuracy of the estimate were the respondent's gender and level of education: women's estimates were much higher than men's regardless of the group of origin. People with upper secondary education (Abitur) were closer in their estimates to the actual figure than people with lower secondary education (Hauptschule)."

https://www.svr-migration.de/en/publications/how-many-muslims-live-in-germany/

Pessimist
07-17-20, 04:42
Among Americans over 73, Reagan is most popular. Reagan edges Obama for age group 38-53. (https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/history/info-2018/pew-recent-president-survey.html) I didn't realize how unpopular JFK was. In my views, the current debates on police violence can be traced to Reagan's time in office. I think guns would be a good idea no matter where you live in the USA.

Just some thoughts on some of your other comments, that I didn't get around to responding too. RE: My caginess, I would say I try not to be too dogmatic or profess that something is undeniably true. RE: Nationalism: Younger Americans seem less likely to buy into ideas of American exceptionalism.

RE: Is predicting unrest / civil war in USA anti-USA? CIA Factbook considers a GINI over 40 to be a precursor for unrest and instability. That said, a richer country having a GINI of 45 should be more stable than a Third World country with the same GINI. The USA has had a GINI ratio above that threshold since the early 1990's. I have to imagine that at various points throughout the last quarter century, that FBI analysts while presenting reports to their superiors, might have echoed sentiments similar to mine..I thought you said the chance of unrest in US is 1% to 3%? Or is that the chance of a French style revolution? What is the chance of the same events in various European countries?

What does it mean to say there is a 1% chance? If we try this a hundred times, it is likely to happen once?

It seems to me even you think it is a very small chance. I don't think even you believe your numbers have any sort of precision to them. So, 1%, 3%, 5%, 0. 5%, 0. 1% are all in the same ball park.

I personally think it will not happen. Revolution is not some Monte Carlo analysis happening in real life. It either happens or does not happen. I don't think it will happen, in the next 5 years or even 10 years.

I am willing to wager that Euro will break up as a currency before there is a Revolution in US. That has no probabilities attached to the statement. If revolution happens in the US before Euro breaks up, you win I lose, LOL and vice versa.

As for city states, I haven't heard it. Yeah, CA is special and a bit weird. But city states? I would put even less money on it. Where is the evidence? Italy used to be a city states type system, now a normal country. I mean, you can speculate about these things but tbh, they are sounding to me like wild guesses.

Analysis to me is looking at a bunch of possibilities none of which look to be certain, perhaps most of them appear to be 20% to 30% probabilities, and picking the one or two which will become 70% to 80% type events. If we throw up a bunch of possibilities which have 1% to 5% chances, then I don't know what that gets us. OK, if one of those 1% events actually becomes 80% suddenly, you become a hero. That's what venture capitalists do, investing in a lot of things none of which look like sure fire winners and most are busts but if they hit a home run every once in a while it makes up for 25 other failures.

Pessimist
07-17-20, 04:47
I would pay 200/300 USD for her if photos are reliable. Yes, in Spain can have a girl for evening restaurant and the night for 300 + gift like perfume. Can also sometimes in Paris with Russian escort.I had a couple of Ukrainian and other CIS sugar babes who were in US for school, other short time stays. You are right, they were among the best. I wish we had more Russian girls coming to US for studies, LOL.

That girl in the photo, she will not be available for 200. May be a dinner date but not sex. Such a girl will demand at least 400 if she is going to have sex with you. However, it is not 400 per hour because she will spend a couple of hours w / you, if not more. Again, US is more expensive than Europe in these things.

Blue Swede
07-17-20, 05:16
One babe I saw on seeking today.Youtuber Alyssa Kulani?

Have you met her irl?

EFrog
07-17-20, 14:48
One more thing Sirioja. Generally, my experience is that most girls are not photoshopped that much. Unlike w / escorts, you don't approach sugar babes only for sex. You meet, have a drink / lunch or dinner / movie date etc and then may be sex at some point. If the girl looks very different from photos, you can walk away. For that reason, most girls do not cheat. Some have photos from a year ago and say "of the 4 photos, the 3rd photo is a year old" in their profile description.

This girl I included is pretty hot. Not all of them are that cute. This one is just 19 or 20. I would think if she agrees to have sex, it will be at least $400 for a couple of hours. That would be my guess. I will be very surprised if she agrees to $300.

Keep in mind paid sex is technically illegal and more expensive in most of America. So, prices will be a bit higher than Europe, to be expected.Funny your opinion that paid sex in not prostitution. And how would you call it?

Also you tell about 19 or 20 y. old and prostitution. An age in many States you are not allowed to buy beer.

Very very hypocritical view.

I feel very comfortable with FKK and so in the future we will just call them nursing home. Why not ?
LOL.

Pessimist
07-17-20, 16:44
Funny your opinion that paid sex in not prostitution. And how would you call it?

Also you tell about 19 or 20 y. old and prostitution. An age in many States you are not allowed to buy beer.

Very very hypocritical view.

I feel very comfortable with FKK and so in the future we will just call them nursing home. Why not ?
LOL.Who cares what we call them? If it makes you feel better, call every relationship in which one gives sex to the other, and the other party pays more of the money a form of prostitution. That includes all marriages and not always female prostitutes either. I have a good friend who was a managing director at Merrill; he lost his job 5 years ago and is taking care of their 3 kids while his wife who is an oncologist is working full time and bringing in the moolah. I assume they have sex. So, we should call him a male prostitute. I will make a note of it for my next conversation with him, LOL.

I was answering Sirioja. He said I will take a sugar babe for 200 to 300. My point is that you can't simply wave a cash wand in the face of a sugar babe and ask her to suck your dick then and there. Well, you can ask but most likely you will get reported to the site admin and have your subscription revoked. So, there is a practical difference. To me, that is more relevant than semantics. But feel free to call them what you want.

I am kinda lost on your point about 19 year old, sex and beer. Topic for another day.

Sirioja
07-18-20, 16:49
I had a couple of Ukrainian and other CIS sugar babes who were in US for school, other short time stays. You are right, they were among the best. I wish we had more Russian girls coming to US for studies, LOL.

That girl in the photo, she will not be available for 200. May be a dinner date but not sex. Such a girl will demand at least 400 if she is going to have sex with you. However, it is not 400 per hour because she will spend a couple of hours w / you, if not more. Again, US is more expensive than Europe in these things.Had a angel face, far prettier face than Linda, and quite elegant, much more charm than Linda, German for 200 at Globe in expensive Zurich, and we told to repeat. Really not bad for me in Switzerland or Austria, since reopening.

Usually, I know how to manage to get offered.

McAdonis
07-18-20, 18:45
On the business side of things, I have seen Asians approach things differently than what I see in Western European Americans, aka Whites. Whites go to the bank, try to get a loan, work on their own to save money to start up. I have observed Asians making near total sacrifice to get momentum.

The reason I point these things out, even though they pass both state and international borders, is that it demonstrates how different cultures address inequalities, some thrive on fighting to overcome it while others let the inequalities for their future.Not equivalent to compare sixth-generation White Americans to first-generation poor non-White immigrants. The native-born White-American, no matter how poor, is still not as economically desperate as his first-generation ancestor from Ireland was: https://www.moma.org/learn/moma_learning/jacob-august-riis-lodgers-in-bayard-street-tenement-five-cents-a-spot-1889.

Immigrants do not readily accept failure. And they generally have a different temperament to the ones that stayed behind in their home country. In other words, they are not representative of everyone else back in their home country.

Many immigrants to Western countries already have high levels of educational attainment and may even have been members of the social elite in their home country. This might give them a certain level of confidence in their own abilities, and perhaps make them more resilient to setbacks that they might encounter. Illegals, refugees, or family-sponsored immigrants would generally have lower levels of education. But what is common amongst them is that they probably have family back home that is much poorer than even the poorest White-American, White-Western-European or Black-American. These immigrants have people back home that depend on them. Look if I am a middle class Syrian father and I can only afford to pay human smugglers to get one of my three sons to Western Europe, I am not going to the pick the lazy son with the "defeatist" mindset. And if I am the "chosen" son, then I have a sense of duty and responsibility to not let my family down.

ExpatLover
07-19-20, 00:24
Reply from EL: what an optimistic point of view, sadly the reality is a bit different, so many migrants and their families believe that in Germany, France. Everyone is making 10000 euro a month, the reality is that even the hard working people earn around 2500, those people are well educated, trained, integrated. Most of the uneducated, non integrated migrants who are dealing with a lot of personal traumas, cultural, religion differences they will mostly earn around 1000 if they get a job after a long and hard acquisition process of the language, skills. Just enough to live if not survive in France, Germany. But for sure not enough to send money back to the families in the home countries. On top of that for those young guys it will be very hard to get in relation with a woman, so difficult to satisfy the sexual needs. At the end of the end most of them have no other choice that to do illegal things, will finish in jail for example 80% of the people in jail in France have migration background, that is the hard reality.

HammerTime96
07-19-20, 10:44
Reply from EL: what an optimistic point of view, sadly the reality is a bit different, so many migrants and their families believe that in Germany, France. Everyone is making 10000 euro a month, the reality is that even the hard working people earn around 2500, those people are well educated, trained, integrated. Most of the uneducated, non integrated migrants who are dealing with a lot of personal traumas, cultural, religion differences they will mostly earn around 1000 if they get a job after a long and hard acquisition process of the language, skills. Just enough to live if not survive in France, Germany. But for sure not enough to send money back to the families in the home countries. On top of that for those young guys it will be very hard to get in relation with a woman, so difficult to satisfy the sexual needs. At the end of the end most of them have no other choice that to do illegal things, will finish in jail for example 80% of the people in jail in France have migration background, that is the hard reality.During one of my business trips, I was in Africa and I heard similar stories about how people there think that in Europe roads are paved with gold and that everybody here earns 5-6 thousand Euros per month and drives a big Mercedes. I think those are stories that people smugglers spread, so they can charge 10000 Dollars for a 'ticket' to Europe. "Don't worry, you can pay it back within 3-4 months," they tell their victims, making these poor and uneducated people believe that thereafter the new migrant into Europe can make huge profits and send money home. SO then they borrow 10000 Dollars from friends and family with the story that they will pay this back in 3-4 months, and make a dangerous long journey to Europe.

When you try to explain things that for unskilled labour wages are 1500-2000 Euros maximum, and that not much is left at the end of the month after paying minimum 500-700 Euros in rent, paying 1,5 Euro for 1 liter of fuel, paying 30% income tax, paying 20% VAT on clothes or electronics, paying for health-car insurance, paying for car parking, paying high prices in supermarkets, then you see African people with a strange and empty look on their face. They think you're lying to stop them from coming to Europe.

They simply don't understand things like taxes because in Africa everybody scams the system, or they just don't want to understand.

Turgid
07-19-20, 15:41
The fact is that migrants, whether in the US, Britain or Europe, do the lowest paying most menial jobs that nationals of those countries refuse to do. Some are even worse off than if they stayed in their own countries. Then why do they not return home? Pride. I once witnessed at an airport in Colombia a young woman who was travelling to the US which was obviously her first trip. Her whole family and many relatives and friends came out to see her off. There was lots of crying, laughter and emotional outbursts seeing her off to immigration. The expectation is that she will send money back to them in Colombia. No way is she returning back home other than as a successful person on a temporary visit.

Pistons
07-19-20, 20:53
Msg to Admin: please do not delete some posts in a discussion, while letting racist posts still stand.

Use Report Post because Racist reports are not allowed.

The Cane
07-19-20, 21:47
Msg to Admin: please do not delete some posts in a discussion, while letting racist posts still stand.

Use Report Post because Racist reports are not allowed.That's the stated policy. But it isn't always evenly enforced, if enforced at all.

ExpatLover
07-20-20, 04:08
Reply EL: I don t know about which racist post you are speaking about, but for me describing the reality has nothing to do with racism, for example 13% of the US people are black, this is a fact, today there are more black in jail than white, this is also a fact, may be you consider that being racist.

PlayToDef
07-20-20, 06:45
for unskilled labour wages are 1500-2000 Euros maximumLOL! What?

BaltiX
07-23-20, 02:09
Do you have proof that only a small percentage of population pays for sex? Given the amount of sex workers and establishments in a country like Germany I think it's more common than you think, but not too many people will admit paying for sex. BTW, not all German states have banned prostitution due to Coronavirus.


Believe it or not, but opening FKK clubs so that a bunch of sex tourists can come monger and spread the virus. Is probably the LAST thing on the minds of German politicians. As for the local Germans: they are used to "following orders" and "blindly following politicians" so they won't wake up until it's too late.

On German boards, criticizing politicians is "verboten," and the way they are now deleting posts and banning people who dare criticizing the European (not just German) politicians for totally mishandeling the situation (and disrespecting the German constitution with totalitarian measures, is totally identical to the way they were deleting accounts and posts back in January-February when you mentioned Wuhan and the situation there, and voiced concerns that this will eventually also come to Europe and effect the FKK clubs. Back in January-February, I would like a post of someone who was concerned about the Wuhan virus, and a few hours later I would check to see what other people thought, but the post would be gone with a message that it was "off topic. " Hahaha! And when people would open a new thread, they would close the thread, saying something like "it has nothing to do with P6." And look at them now: everything closed for months and no end in sight.

Germans typically stick their heads into the sand when political trouble approaches (See their history of WW1, WW2, and the DDR), and they are doing the same now. They won't wake up until it's too late and their freedoms are gone, and FKK clubs and P6 are permanently forbidden because of "health reasons."

Bullshit

HammerTime96
07-23-20, 05:43
Do you have proof that only a small percentage of population pays for sex? Given the amount of sex workers and establishments in a country like Germany I think it's more common than you think, but not too many people will admit paying for sex. BTW, not all German states have banned prostitution due to Coronavirus.So please tell us which German states are open? I'm sure a lot of horny Germans want to know!


BullshitI like how you back up your opinion with "convincing" and "intelligent" argumentation.

Sirioja
07-26-20, 21:43
So please tell us which German states are open? I'm sure a lot of horny Germans want to know!

I like how you back up your opinion with "convincing" and "intelligent" argumentation.I m not German, but I think escorting work in Hessen, if not in NRW?

ExpatLover
07-27-20, 08:59
I m not German, but I think escorting work in Hessen, if not in.Reply EL: Escort business is booming in most of European countries but still at high risk for me may be even higher than FKK, there is no control, no cleaning, nothing.

Pessimist
07-28-20, 18:34
So, related to the comments a few days ago about clubs opening in Spain and how DE is being too cautious and that could shut the FKKs permanently, it seems BoJo is now requiring UK citizens returning back from Spain tourism to be quarantined. This goes back to the point that Corona is anything but truly behind us yet. The problem is that every time the new infections have slightly stabilized or down, people rush out to mingle, socialize and do other things. But that is leading to newer waves, and each new peak is bigger than the last. Europe has been admirable while we in the US have been atrocious. I hope they can keep it in control in EU, and I stand by my prediction that the chance of opening any large Hessen style clubs in DE is less than 5%prior to September and less than 25% prior to December.

Vector313
07-28-20, 23:36
The fact is that migrants, whether in the US, Britain or Europe, do the lowest paying most menial jobs that nationals of those countries refuse to do. Some are even worse off than if they stayed in their own countries. Then why do they not return home? Pride. I once witnessed at an airport in Colombia a young woman who was travelling to the US which was obviously her first trip. Her whole family and many relatives and friends came out to see her off. There was lots of crying, laughter and emotional outbursts seeing her off to immigration. The expectation is that she will send money back to them in Colombia. No way is she returning back home other than as a successful person on a temporary visit.Got to disagree with you there. Most do not return home because in those countries (and especially middle eastern countries) the governments and sometimes the employers will bankrupt those workers to the point that they cannot return. Whether its jailing them for various infractions or simply not paying them enough for plane tickets or passport renewal, many literally cannot afford to go home. Now with COVID quarantine restrictions forcing many to do a 14 day self-paid hotel quarantine, many can't afford to go home even after getting a plane ticket because they can't afford the hotel on the other side.

Woof Woof
07-29-20, 04:41
Reply EL: Escort business is booming in most of European countries but still at high risk for me may be even higher than FKK, there is no control, no cleaning, nothing.I have to disagree here. FKKs are the highest risk types of setting for virus transmission. Think people density in a closed environment. With escorts the risk is comparatively lower with two people.

Woof Woof
07-29-20, 04:53
So, related to the comments a few days ago about clubs opening in Spain and how DE is being too cautious and that could shut the FKKs permanently, it seems BoJo is now requiring UK citizens returning back from Spain tourism to be quarantined. This goes back to the point that Corona is anything but truly behind us yet. The problem is that every time the new infections have slightly stabilized or down, people rush out to mingle, socialize and do other things. But that is leading to newer waves, and each new peak is bigger than the last. Europe has been admirable while we in the US have been atrocious. I hope they can keep it in control in EU, and I stand by my prediction that the chance of opening any large Hessen style clubs in DE is less than 5%prior to September and less than 25% prior to December.With the onset of the flu season and the cold weather preventing the big FKKs from using the outside areas, I would put the odds of FKKs staying closed for the rest of 2020 at 95%.

Sirioja
07-29-20, 08:38
I have to disagree here. FKKs are the highest risk types of setting for virus transmission. Think people density in a closed environment. With escorts the risk is comparatively lower with two people.I fully agree brothels are the highest risk for virus spreading, girls being fucked by 10 guys per day, with many married guys returning to family, many old or fat. Of course, not without risk with escorts also fucked by many guys, when risk is everywhere, except with my friends marmots, when climbing my mountains for my great Summer.

Sebastiane
07-29-20, 17:44
Why is it that Swiss and Austrian FKKs have opened but not German ones when all three are Germanic lands (all the major clubs in Switzerland are in the German part of Switzerland) and the current rate of Covid19 is not much higher in Germany?

McAdonis
07-29-20, 21:25
So, related to the comments a few days ago about clubs opening in Spain and how DE is being too cautious and that could shut the FKKs permanently, it seems BoJo is now requiring UK citizens returning back from Spain tourism to be quarantined.Germany has now joined UK, in advising its citizens to avoid Spain.

According to this video at 1:15, "Polls show Germans continue to support the cautious approach of Angela Merkel's government": https://youtu.be/HizMJp0ShCs?t=75.

I take that to mean that, for time being, we won't be seeing mass protests in Stuttgart and Berlin like we did back in May, when many thought the anti-CV-19 measures were too stringent. I did, however, see some reports about young people organizing illegal, underground nightclubs. Other recent developments in and around Europe: Madrid requires masks in all indoor and outdoor public spaces. Nightclubs in Catalonia closed again. Late night curfew introduced in Antwerp. Travelers from Luxembourg not allowed to enter Germany without quarantine period.

Sirioja
07-29-20, 21:38
Why is it that Swiss and Austrian FKKs have opened but not German ones when all three are Germanic lands (all the major clubs in Switzerland are in the German part of Switzerland) and the current rate of Covid19 is not much higher in Germany?Swiss administration is ready for anything for money, like WGs. Austria is small country with not so many big clubs. Germany is big brothel in Europe and they had to confine again many people.

Chinese are claiming they are nearly for vaccine, but I prefer to visit all opened brothels, rather than taking any Chinese vaccine.

Tuber19
07-30-20, 02:30
(( German Research Minister Anja Karliczek says it's unlikely a coronavirus vaccine will be made available to the wider public before the middle of 2021.
Speaking at a press conference in Berlin, the minister said the government was providing funding grants to three German biotech companies CureVac, BioNTech and IDT Biologika to help speed up the development of their vaccine candidates. But she warned, "We should not expect a miracle. ".
"We must continue to assume that vaccines for the broader population will only be available from the middle of next year at the earliest" she added.))
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-tops-150000/a-54359931


Thats Depressing news, does that mean FKK club will not open until mid 2021 ! I was really hoping for December this year or January 2021 ! A vaccine wqs my hope, but it looks long time to wait.

ExpatLover
07-30-20, 06:15
Swiss administration is ready for anything for money, like WGs. Austria is small country with not so many big clubs. Germany is big brothel in Europe and they had to confine again many people.

Chinese are claiming they are nearly for vaccine, but I prefer to visit all opened brothels, rather than taking any Chinese vaccine.

Reply EL: I prefer take the Chinese vaccine for sure, if you don t like China, better you through away your phone, laptop, and even your car, even in a Porsche so many part are coming from China, I am working in China for more than 20 years in the supply chain business. Many people don t like China just because China is demonstrating how a organised government, an homogeneous society is able to provide a great living standard and safe life to the majority of their citizens. For example, is it possible for a young woman with sexy clothes to walk through Detroit, Chicago. In the night, for sure not but very possible in Shanghai, Beijing. US is a democracy but where is the freedom when you are not even able to move like you want, this is also true, in France, Germany, UK, . France wants to give lessons to all the rest of the world but never forget that they abolished the death penalty only in 1981, and in so many places you are not free to go.

Pistons
07-30-20, 11:33
https://www.destatis.de/EN/Home/_node.html

Everything helps when the economy tanks 10.1% even after large stimulus.

And to those claiming p6 in Germany is minuscule. Never forget that money pouring into a country, can always be 5- or 10-doubled in terms of monetary circulation.

Rocky V
07-30-20, 12:18
(( German Research Minister Anja Karliczek says it's unlikely a coronavirus vaccine will be made available to the wider public before the middle of 2021.
Speaking at a press conference in Berlin, the minister said the government was providing funding grants to three German biotech companies CureVac, BioNTech and IDT Biologika to help speed up the development of their vaccine candidates. But she warned, "We should not expect a miracle. ".
"We must continue to assume that vaccines for the broader population will only be available from the middle of next year at the earliest" she added.))
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-tops-150000/a-54359931


Thats Depressing news, does that mean FKK club will not open until mid 2021 ! I was really hoping for December this year or January 2021 ! A vaccine wqs my hope, but it looks long time to wait.A good option at the moment is to enroll yourself in one of the vaccine trials in your country, if you are eligible. I'm planning to take one for the team and enroll myself for the Oxford / IRBM / AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, but there are many in US and in other EU countries too. Vaccines have usually very minor side effects as they are inert pieces of proteins or DNA.

Rock.

Mursenary
07-30-20, 12:49
(( German Research Minister Anja Karliczek says it's unlikely a coronavirus vaccine will be made available to the wider public before the middle of 2021.
Speaking at a press conference in Berlin, the minister said the government was providing funding grants to three German biotech companies CureVac, BioNTech and IDT Biologika to help speed up the development of their vaccine candidates. But she warned, "We should not expect a miracle. ".
"We must continue to assume that vaccines for the broader population will only be available from the middle of next year at the earliest" she added.))
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-tops-150000/a-54359931


Thats Depressing news, does that mean FKK club will not open until mid 2021 ! I was really hoping for December this year or January 2021 ! A vaccine wqs my hope, but it looks long time to wait.If the translation is correct, then she's just saying to not expect one rather than that there will not be one. Sounds like she is just being measured, keeping expectations low.

At least 5 vaccines are beginning the final phase of testing, American Moderna-NIH, British AstraZeneca-Oxford, Multinational BionTech-Pfizer-Fosun, and 2 Chinese companies. Australia is also in the final phase of testing if an older vaccine, the BCG vaccine, can provide partial protection.

The first 2 phases requires showing safety and efficacy in small populations. The final phase's success hinges on efficacy in larger populations while watching for developing side effects. If one of these these trials passes phase 3 and gains approval, vaccine roll out can come before the winter. Best projections opens the possibility of emergency roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine as early as October.

Pistons
07-30-20, 20:03
Best projections opens the possibility of emergency roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine as early as October.Will you take it? Knowing that some vaccines may not show side effects for years?

Adindas
07-30-20, 21:17
If the translation is correct, then she's just saying to not expect one rather than that there will not be one. Sounds like she is just being measured, keeping expectations low.

At least 5 vaccines are beginning the final phase of testing, American Moderna-NIH, British AstraZeneca-Oxford, Multinational BionTech-Pfizer-Fosun, and 2 Chinese companies. Australia is also in the final phase of testing if an older vaccine, the BCG vaccine, can provide partial protection.

The first 2 phases requires showing safety and efficacy in small populations. The final phase's success hinges on efficacy in larger populations while watching for developing side effects. If one of these these trials passes phase 3 and gains approval, vaccine roll out can come before the winter. Best projections opens the possibility of emergency roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine as early as October.

It is claimed that China vaccine is stolen from the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/china-hackers-sought-to-steal-coronavirus-vaccine-research-says-us

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/us/politics/china-hacking-coronavirus-vaccine.html

It might be true because in the past China never really invented anything new, all of that is the stolen technology from other countries. How many noble price winners come from people who work in China?? They might be chinese but the are not developing their research in China.

The problem if you are not the original developer, you might miss something big features, devil in detail in development of the vaccine. Also, the problem with China is that they are a tyrant and all of the information is controlled by CCP. For that reason, you should never believe any news come from China. Who want to try vaccine from China before you see the actual effect !!!

Even the result of stage 3 trail has not been known, Jenner Institute in collaboration with Astra Zeneca has begun making potential vaccine.

"We are starting to manufacture this vaccine right now. And we have to have it ready to be used by the time we have the results," he said. AstraZeneca says it will be able supply two billion doses of the vaccine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52917118

So let's hope as soon as the positive stage 3 result is confirmed, the approval process form authority will be fast tracked and might be available before winter this year.

As soon as I got "COVID-19" jab I will be ready to jab the girls.

TeaInTheSun
07-31-20, 04:13
It is claimed that China vaccine is stolen from the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/china-hackers-sought-to-steal-coronavirus-vaccine-research-says-us

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/us/politics/china-hacking-coronavirus-vaccine.html

It might be true because in the past China never really invented anything new, all of that is the stolen technology from other countries. How many noble price winners come from people who work in China?? They might be chinese but the are not developing their research in China.

The problem if you are not the original developer, you might miss something big features, devil in detail in development of the vaccine. Also, the problem with China is that they are a tyrant and all of the information is controlled by CCP. For that reason, you should never believe any news come from China. Who want to try vaccine from China before you see the actual effect !!!

Even the result of stage 3 trail has not been known, Jenner Institute in collaboration with Astra Zeneca has begun making potential vaccine.

"We are starting to manufacture this vaccine right now. And we have to have it ready to be used by the time we have the results," he said. AstraZeneca says it will be able supply two billion doses of the vaccine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52917118

So let's hope as soon as the positive stage 3 result is confirmed, the approval process form authority will be fast tracked and might be available before winter this year.

As soon as I got "COVID-19" jab I will be ready to jab the girls.I always believed that September / October would be the key months to know the final results on vaccines, especially from Oxford, which was the first project.

The problem is for trump who wants to postpone the elections, because he knows that before November 3 there will be no mass vaccination for americans. He is already saying that a fraud is being prepared. Of course, since he is 10 points below the mediocre Biden in the polls, he is desperate. If I win, that's fine but if the other wins, it is fraud. The worst American president, even worse than Bush son.

Sirioja
07-31-20, 07:04
Will you take it? Knowing that some vaccines may not show side effects for years?I think less risky for me to go to brothels, I have about 15 visits since reopening, going with many new girls unknown for me before, rather than taking Chinese vaccine, when we know about their tests reliability and their taste for truth, or even other made rushing and racing to be reelected. How and for how long are tested new vaccines? Even some tests in Brazil and I think South Africa.

Chongmal
07-31-20, 21:59
Will you take it? Knowing that some vaccines may not show side effects for years?COVID affects everyone differently, from no symptoms to fatal. I believe given a chance to take a vaccine I would rush to the front of the line, maybe two or three back. I'm not sure if anyone here has been ill enough to relate, but imagine an illness that attacks your whole body. You hurt everywhere and you barely have energy to stand up and walk. I had severe pneumonia a few years back. I remember being out of energy walking to the toilet. Well, the COVID is worse. To avoid that misery I would for sure take the vaccination. That is my opinion, but it's a solid though for me.

Pistons
07-31-20, 22:38
I think less risky for me to go to brothels, I have about 15 visits since reopening, going with many new girls unknown for me before, rather than taking Chinese vaccine, when we know about their tests reliability and their taste for truth, or even other made rushing and racing to be reelected. How and for how long are tested new vaccines? Even some tests in Brazil and I think South Africa.Do you think the truth is any better in the west?

It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.

Rocky V
08-01-20, 12:17
Do you think the truth is any better in the west?

It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.Vaccines actually cause very few side effects, which are mostly short-lived, because they are 'passive' pharmaceuticals. They are administered to serve as 'baits' in order to trigger a natural immune response and make use resistant to a particular virus or bacterial pathogen. I agree with your comments about prices and profits, but the success of pharma companies and the high prices for vaccines were actually self-inflicted by the Western World. If you cut funds for academic research you create a business niche for private companies to exploit. This is why we will never have another Dr Jonas Salk (who discovered the polio vaccine and made if free to everyone) until governments decide to start funding medical research instead of the military.

Adindas
08-01-20, 15:35
Do you think the truth is any better in the west?

It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.The COVID-19 vaccine development is unprecedented. In general circumstances, it will need about 4-5 years to be fully tested. Is it what the people want to and how many would have died by then?? Business and economic collapse. How many businesses will go into administration by then ?? How many people will lose their job by then

From our point of view as punters, How many FKKs, GB party, Partytreffs, Brothels, would have closed by then ? How many WGs would have lost their job by then ? We do not like that do we ??

Any unprecedented event needs to be matched with unprecedented response. So, it is reasonable to expect that the vaccine developers will need to be exempted from prosecution. Otherwise the people who have sacrificed their life, the people who work day and night to combat this pandemic will be wasted. Thinks about the researchers, volunteers, nurses, down. elderly who are more at risk and of course citizen of the world. And of course us punters and WGs. We have suffered a lot from this lock down. Instead the greedy lawyers will take advantage of the crisis.

Also keep in mind it is the government of the country who order the vaccine even before it has been fully tested and approved. No government have been forced to do that. It is the individual government choice. The choice is clear do you want a normal response where you could prosecute the company behind the vaccine? Then Wait 4-5 years. Otherwise you have to exempt the company behind from the prosecution.

Also no one has been forced to get the COVID-19 jab, each individual maintains personal right to refuse to get jabbed, to wait whenever they feel safer to do so. It is your choice.

McAdonis
08-01-20, 20:39
Some protests against cv-19 restrictions in Germany and counter protests: https://youtu.be/3F2i0wDCfug.

Polyamorist
08-01-20, 22:44
Salaam zusammen,

I just watched this Coronavirus Update from the Trump White House. I have to admit I was surprised and even a little impressed by the sober and self-critical tone.

https://www.facebook.com/thejuicemedia/videos/324549878724905/

Pistons
08-02-20, 13:04
Vaccines actually cause very few side effects, which are mostly short-lived, because they are 'passive' pharmaceuticals. They are administered to serve as 'baits' in order to trigger a natural immune response and make use resistant to a particular virus or bacterial pathogen. I agree with your comments about prices and profits, but the success of pharma companies and the high prices for vaccines were actually self-inflicted by the Western World. If you cut funds for academic research you create a business niche for private companies to exploit. This is why we will never have another Dr Jonas Salk (who discovered the polio vaccine and made if free to everyone) until governments decide to start funding medical research instead of the military.That is what they want you to believe. And what they pay the lobbyists to have them work at making you believe. From rewriting curriculum's, talking to the media, and having meetings with politicians.

As the other guy here mentions. Yes, there are pros and cons. And it is a risk we all have to take ourselves. But the truth behind vaccines and how they really is something far less than a percent of the populace really know. Even most doctors are clueless. Because even their curriculum usually has it wrong.

Many vaccines focus on part of the cells that attach to human cells. And when they do, the vaccine cells also attach to human cells. And that always leads to complications. And always long term. There are some antibodies being made to fight 'vaccine cells', but then you immune system gets under pressure long term also. Leaving you more susceptible to other diseases instead.

Pistons
08-02-20, 13:12
Some vaccines can also confuse the immune system because the injected cells are unnatural. So you get all these autoimmune diseases and hyper-responses from the immune system instead. Like a computer virus giving you error messages constantly. Something is wrong, so it sends out the soldiers. And too many, but they don't always find what they were sent out to fight.

And then there the hormonal implications of vaccines as well. Messing with hormonal balance in your body.

In other words, the human body is way way way more complicated for scientists of today to mess around with and inject cells that the body cannot ever completely cure. Because that is what a vaccine is.

It is like an injected Windows virus. Inserted only to give you these constant annoying error messages. But it doesn't do much more than that. But you have to click on the error box sometimes, or fight those blue screens.

Pistons
08-02-20, 13:15
I guess what I am trying to say is:

Most people still use windows, but the pros try to avoid it, and stuck with Linux for years.

Rocky V
08-02-20, 20:40
That is what they want you to believe. And what they pay the lobbyists to have them work at making you believe. From rewriting curriculum's, talking to the media, and having meetings with politicians.I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!


As the other guy here mentions. Yes, there are pros and cons. And it is a risk we all have to take ourselves. But the truth behind vaccines and how they really is something far less than a percent of the populace really know. Even most doctors are clueless. Because even their curriculum usually has it wrong.As with any pharmaceuticals there are health risks and side effects. What is important is the balance between risks and benefits. You wouldn't think twice about crossing a bridge, that has 1 in 40,000 chances of collapsing, so why wouldn't you feel the same about vaccines. In the past (60-70 years ago) vaccines preparations used to contain mercury, which can be extremely toxic. Now the vaccine preparations contain very safe compounds.


Many vaccines focus on part of the cells that attach to human cells. And when they do, the vaccine cells also attach to human cells. And that always leads to complications. And always long term. There are some antibodies being made to fight 'vaccine cells', but then your immune system gets under pressure long term also. Leaving you more susceptible to other diseases instead.OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.

VonderJohn
08-02-20, 23:25
To all those wondering, I don't think there will be any return to normalcy in the mongering scene before there's a vaccine, at least in Germany.

This will require a year and a half or so. It is a long time and we all hate it. But safety first, no?

I don't think any of you would want to get infected by COVID through an asymptomatic sex worker, bar tender or customer.

Samplerr
08-03-20, 00:23
I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!Fair enough!

Mursenary
08-03-20, 05:18
I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!

As with any pharmaceuticals there are health risks and side effects. What is important is the balance between risks and benefits. You wouldn't think twice about crossing a bridge, that has 1 in 40,000 chances of collapsing, so why wouldn't you feel the same about vaccines. In the past (60-70 years ago) vaccines preparations used to contain mercury, which can be extremely toxic. Now the vaccine preparations contain very safe compounds.

OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.I'm glad someone pointed out the absurd assertions made in those posts. Google University has a way of producing internet doctors who gain some rudimentary familiarity about a subject matter but absolutely no understanding, so they well, get the beans stuck above the frank.

That being said, I'll go ahead and call bullshit on the phd on molecular medicine as even a 1st year medical student would know that live attenuated and whole cell vaccines are made from microbes whose pathogenicity has been removed. Mumps, measles, pertussis, varicella, etc.

Rick Rock
08-03-20, 10:29
To all those wondering, I don't think there will be any return to normalcy in the mongering scene before there's a vaccine, at least in Germany.

This will require a year and a half or so. It is a long time and we all hate it. But safety first, no?

I don't think any of you would want to get infected by COVID through an asymptomatic sex worker, bar tender or customer.While I am not looking forward to it, I wouldn't mind getting infected since the CDC's latest report says the morbidity rate is about 0. 002.

Of course I am not elderly, chronically ill, or overweight.

After all, I fuck prostitutes in countries like Thailand where a huge percentage of them has HIV.

But you're right about the "return to normalcy. " People simply haven't woken up, but the reality is that it's going to be a very long time before anything like an FKK reopens. Years in fact. Probably many years, and then there will be permanent changes that are too far gone to reverse.

I wouldn't hold my breathe for an effective vaccine.

If they ever make one that is actually effective (unlike the flu shot) it would be next to impossible to create and distribute 8 billion doses across 200 countries in a reasonable amount of time. It's just not going to happen.

Especially when 25 percent of people say they won't take the vaccine anyway.

HammerTime96
08-03-20, 16:59
I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!Let me guess? You work for a big pharma corporation or Bill Gates?

There have been plenty of cases where big pharma corporations lied or manipulated 'studies' in order to get their medications and vaccines approved by regulators and push it to the unsuspecting public. There is a HUGE conflict of interest.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethical

So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.

What really scares me is that some people are so desperate (addicted?) to visit a German FKK club that they are willing to give up their entire privacy (tracking apps) and even cry for a rushed and barely tested and controversial RNA vaccine so that they can fuck some pussy.

On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/.

Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death

What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.

I really don't see how letting the government and big corporations run your lives can, in the long run, be positive for the P6 industry, an industry that traditionally has been full of independent minded people. Most prostitutes are independent business women in charge of their own body, and most customers are earning their own money and want to decide themselves on how to spend it.

Mursenary
08-04-20, 00:00
So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.
On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died.Sure we survived, just til an average of 40. Damn you science and your preventative methods causing our life expectancy to nearly double in 150 years. Damn you medicine and your life saving vaccines! LOL.


Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.
What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.Do you realize that in 1918, we didn't have things like ventilators, defibrillators, high flow oxygen, respiratory therapists, doctors who are specialists, anesthesia for surgery, 5th generation antibiotics, cardiac monitoring, vasoactive drugs, antiviral medication, etc. What a silly comparison.

Rocky V
08-04-20, 15:54
Let me guess? You work for a big pharma corporation or Bill Gates?You can perfectly study and have a career in bio-medicine without the support of pharma or Bill Gates, who I have never had the pleasure to meet.


There have been plenty of cases where big pharma corporations lied or manipulated 'studies' in order to get their medications and vaccines approved by regulators and push it to the unsuspecting public. There is a HUGE conflict of interest.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethicalPharma is not a perfect system and corruption is endemic in human society. However, things are not always black or white but they can also be grey. The development of pharmaceuticals and new medical technologies (CRISPR, etc.) would have never been possible without the funding of pharma. This is because governments around the world are now more interested in spending their resources in the military rather than in scientific research.


So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.We should never consider anything completely 'safe' but, as I explained is always a judgement of risk and benefits. There will always be side effects. Even when you take paracetamol you get side effects in the liver, which you may not sense at all. Even herbal teas can be toxic if the herbs are harvested in the wrong time of the year, where they produce toxins against seasonal parasites.


What really scares me is that some people are so desperate (addicted?) to visit a German FKK club that they are willing to give up their entire privacy (tracking apps) and even cry for a rushed and barely tested and controversial RNA vaccine so that they can fuck some pussy.These are two different issues, but we get track anyway by Google every time we drive or walk somewhere with google apps and nobody knows where that information is finally stored. Side effects of vaccines are usually mild, and we even breathe and swallow viral RNA every day we go outside, but this does not stop us from doing it.


On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/.

Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-deathVery good questions and I'd love to talk to you about past pandemics. The pandemic in the 1300 is estimated to have killed 35% of European population and came in different waves. Some people survived because they managed to build immunity and those genetic traits were passed on down to the subsequent generations and some others survived the following waves maybe because of the virus weakened and it only caused mild symptoms. This is what has happened with the Spanish flu. We still get infected with the Spanish flu, but most don't die from it anymore because the virus has weakened and it only causes flu-like symptoms.


What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.What alternative media do you follow and how do you know it is genuine? Is it because they tell you things you really want to hear? Everyone has a role in this world. I don't see the same animosity towards the aerospace industry, road safety, food safety, building safety etc. Those are also industries that have been running our lives to increase our life standards. Look up what the average life expectancy was at the beginning of 1900, or how many house fires occurred every day, or how many people got poisoned by food they were buying at the stores.


I really don't see how letting the government and big corporations run your lives can, in the long run, be positive for the P6 industry, an industry that traditionally has been full of independent minded people. Most prostitutes are independent business women in charge of their own body, and most customers are earning their own money and want to decide themselves on how to spend it.See above.

Steve Ohh
08-04-20, 17:28
Sex work will be possible next month.

https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2020-08/sexarbeit-berlin-senat-corona-krise-hygieneauflagen-prostitution


While I am not looking forward to it, I wouldn't mind getting infected since the CDC's latest report says the morbidity rate is about 0. 002.

Of course I am not elderly, chronically ill, or overweight.

After all, I fuck prostitutes in countries like Thailand where a huge percentage of them has HIV.

But you're right about the "return to normalcy. " People simply haven't woken up, but the reality is that it's going to be a very long time before anything like an FKK reopens. Years in fact. Probably many years, and then there will be permanent changes that are too far gone to reverse.

I wouldn't hold my breathe for an effective vaccine.

If they ever make one that is actually effective (unlike the flu shot) it would be next to impossible to create and distribute 8 billion doses across 200 countries in a reasonable amount of time. It's just not going to happen.

Especially when 25 percent of people say they won't take the vaccine anyway.

Pistons
08-04-20, 23:20
OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.OK, I admit I jumped to a few assumptions regarding how a vaccine against a virus works. But a specialist I trust and have talked to claimed that there are side effects in every case where the vaccine virus actually enters inside and manages to instruct the immune system (as you are working it).

And to me this is the only logical conclusion to make also. Just look at crispr cas-9 research, and how the cas-9 instructions in a large amount of cases rewrites more than it should. And as far as I know, virus vaccines are even less failproof than cas-9. Far less.

Rocky V
08-05-20, 12:11
OK, I admit I jumped to a few assumptions regarding how a vaccine against a virus works. But a specialist I trust and have talked to claimed that there are side effects in every case where the vaccine virus actually enters inside and manages to instruct the immune system (as you are working it).

And to me this is the only logical conclusion to make also. Just look at crispr cas-9 research, and how the cas-9 instructions in a large amount of cases rewrites more than it should. And as far as I know, virus vaccines are even less failproof than cas-9. Far less.Nothing is failproof in medicine and some serious side effects may always happen, but the chances of these occurring are extremely low. Without a risk / benefit assessment, nothing would be done. If Columbus has considered everything that could've gone wrong in sailing across the ocean, he would have never left.

CRISPR is a brand new technology and it is expected not to be perfect. It has the potential to cure many cancers and genetic diseases like hemophilia and other rare diseases, but it is far from being perfect. All the first versions of anything are far from perfect, just compare iPhone1 with iPhone10.

HammerTime96
08-05-20, 13:20
Sure we survived, just til an average of 40. Damn you science and your preventative methods causing our life expectancy to nearly double in 150 years. Damn you medicine and your life saving vaccines! LOL.

Do you realize that in 1918, we didn't have things like ventilators, defibrillators, high flow oxygen, respiratory therapists, doctors who are specialists, anesthesia for surgery, 5th generation antibiotics, cardiac monitoring, vasoactive drugs, antiviral medication, etc. What a silly comparison.Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

Sirioja
08-05-20, 19:43
Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!I m just amazed, even I take my own risks but I give true ID because I want to be informed if I m at risk, but I can t put my brain in my ass about around 40 thousands deaths in my country where we don t play lies, more than 150 thousands in US, Sweden without confined but with 560 deaths per million people when France have 450 for this rate, which is already much too much. More than 500 thousands deaths all over the world and not finished with virus still spreading, even in Western Europe when we have close to 40 degrees, when Barcelona is confined again, so, for my brain, Germany is right to try to protect their citizens when brothels are the riskiest places where only 1 girl can infect many guys who will infect relatives back at home, when virus still in Germany.

ExpatLover
08-06-20, 07:42
EL: French government doesn't lie, are you so sure about it? Tchernobyl disaster just stopped on the borders, one of my very closed friend work in Ministere de la Sante, I can tell you that many deaths at home or in the EPHAD were not reported as linked with COVID. The social and economical situation in France is terrible, the government has to manage the spirit of the citizen by not telling the truth, the bad is just coming for a lot of European countries which were not able to stay competitive by strongly restructuring the public finances in the last decades. Is the french government telling the people that the taxes will increase, that France is close to bankrupt like Italy, Spain.

Pistons
08-06-20, 11:35
Nothing is failproof in medicine and some serious side effects may always happen, but the chances of these occurring are extremely low. Without a risk / benefit assessment, nothing would be done. If Columbus has considered everything that could've gone wrong in sailing across the ocean, he would have never left.

CRISPR is a brand new technology and it is expected not to be perfect. It has the potential to cure many cancers and genetic diseases like hemophilia and other rare diseases, but it is far from being perfect. All the first versions of anything are far from perfect, just compare iPhone1 with iPhone10.I suppose you are right. Columbus did in fact find the vaccine to an overpopulated Europe when he took the chance of crossing the Atlantic to settle in the New World. And I suppose it is a good thing how they infected and killed off 90% of the native populace with typhus, cholera, small pox, influenza, malaria, bubonic plague, scarlet fever, leishmania, filaria, septisemic plague, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, tetanus, anthrax, botulism, toxoplasmosis, legionella, syphilis, tape worms, fungal diseases and African sleeping sickness etc etc etc.

When it comes to crispr I am actually more optimistic. But that has nothing to do with medical practices. It has 100% everything to do with computer science and how gene mapping and individual treatments can be managed on a one to one basis instead of mass production methods, and total chaos with absolutely no control. The cut and paste mechanism can also be improved by using more developed proteins than cas9.

Mursenary
08-06-20, 19:07
Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!I hope no one actually takes the comments in this post seriously. Just don't, for the sake of public health.

Mursenary
08-06-20, 19:11
Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!What really pisses me off is that people in the healthcare industry have been busting our asses for 6 months having to clean up the mess of people who think like this.

HammerTime96
08-07-20, 06:26
Is the french government telling the people that the taxes will increase, that France is close to bankrupt like Italy, Spain.Interesting point! Is it a coincidence that CV19 wreaked havoc in Southern Europe, with bad-irresponsible governments, huge corruption, huge debts, and an incompetent health authorities?

I saw on the news that in France, wearing a face mask outside (in the fresh air!) is now mandatory, just like Spain! Masks outside! Hahahaha! It shows again what kind of irrational-emotional nutcases are in charge in those countries.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Masks-mandatory-outdoors-in-more-places-in-France-from-today-including-Mayenne-Lille-Nord-Nice

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53346750


What really pisses me off is that people in the healthcare industry have been busting our asses for 6 months having to clean up the mess of people who think like this.Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.

As always, there is no money or power in a quick and effective cure, but the real money and power is made in prolonging the problem as long as possible! This is what the politicians do (again, look at bankrupt countries in Souther Europe) and this is also what the medical establishment does.

So if I understand you correctly, you want an end to P6? This is what will happen when you introduce a "vaccine" for a constantly mutating Corona virus, because a constantly mutating virus will require a constantly changing "vaccine" (just imagine the billions for the pharmaceutical industry!) and this will require a constant totalitarian Big Brother surveillance state with CV19 tracking apps on every phone.

Just because a handful of poor souls here don't have a life by spending their entire life on this forum, this doesn't mean that most other people want to have their FKK club visits tracked by the government!

Posting on a P6 site that you want a CV19 tracking app and a "vaccine," is like the turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

HammerTime96
08-07-20, 11:20
By the way, the German forum I sometimes read has closed down any discussion about the future of FKK clubs. Talking about Normalcy Bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

Sure, stick your head in the sand and just ban all discussions and blindly follow what your government tells you, that will make all problems go away, because that has worked so well in the past during the Militarism under the Kaiser, during National Socialism under the Fuehrer, and under the Politburo fascists in the DDR! / sarc.

Sirioja
08-07-20, 12:41
Mask is to put on in France in crowded and public places and shops. Nobody ask me to put on mask when I climbed Iseran 2770 high yesterday or will Cormet Roseland today, but we don t want to have 2000 deaths like US yesterday, figure given by US university, 5 months after starting there.

Rocky V
08-07-20, 12:57
I suppose you are right. Columbus did in fact find the vaccine to an overpopulated Europe when he took the chance of crossing the Atlantic to settle in the New World. And I suppose it is a good thing how they infected and killed off 90% of the native populace with typhus, cholera, small pox, influenza, malaria, bubonic plague, scarlet fever, leishmania, filaria, septisemic plague, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, tetanus, anthrax, botulism, toxoplasmosis, legionella, syphilis, tape worms, fungal diseases and African sleeping sickness etc etc etc.I hope you are being sarcastic as opposed to not understanding this metaphor.


When it comes to crispr I am actually more optimistic. But that has nothing to do with medical practices. It has 100% everything to do with computer science and how gene mapping and individual treatments can be managed on a one to one basis instead of mass production methods, and total chaos with absolutely no control. The cut and paste mechanism can also be improved by using more developed proteins than cas9.Yes, it is promising but we are at the very beginning in understanding the real potential. Using this technology in humans is still not recommended and the Chinese researcher that tried to do it has been rightly put into a prison cell by the Chinese Government.

Rocky V
08-07-20, 13:07
Interesting point! Is it a coincidence that CV19 wreaked havoc in Southern Europe, with bad-irresponsible governments, huge corruption, huge debts, and an incompetent health authorities?Sounds like you are talking about the UK, in that case, yes I agree!

I saw on the news that in France, wearing a face mask outside (in the fresh air!) is now mandatory, just like Spain! Masks outside! Hahahaha! It shows again what kind of irrational-emotional nutcases are in charge in those countries.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Masks-mandatory-outdoors-in-more-places-in-France-from-today-including-Mayenne-Lille-Nord-Nice

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53346750


Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.

As always, there is no money or power in a quick and effective cure, but the real money and power is made in prolonging the problem as long as possible! This is what the politicians do (again, look at bankrupt countries in Souther Europe) and this is also what the medical establishment does.

So if I understand you correctly, you want an end to P6? This is what will happen when you introduce a "vaccine" for a constantly mutating Corona virus, because a constantly mutating virus will require a constantly changing "vaccine" (just imagine the billions for the pharmaceutical industry!) and this will require a constant totalitarian Big Brother surveillance state with CV19 tracking apps on every phone..I feel sorry for you, mate, for being so angry at the world that you are prepared to give credit to the first facebook post that pops up in your page instead of listening to the experts, who have improved our lives massively over the last century. I don't even try to start replying to the massive disinformation you have cited in your post, because I feel your mind has been made up and There is nothing I can show you that can make an impact. You have been conned in believing that BS by people who think Trump has more medical knowledge than the Chief of the National Institute of Health: "Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen"!

Mursenary
08-07-20, 17:54
Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.
So disrespectful. It amazes me how people who know so little about a subject matter speak like they know so much.

What you're proposing would suggest that the world is out to get a certain political affiliation by not using HCQ and "wrongly" intubating patients. Guess what? American politics do not dictate medical standards of care throughout the entire world! No one during a pandemic gives a shit about your president and his ignorant base wishing into thin air that a medicine works. Dozens of published post intervention studies have repeated shown that HCQ didn't do jack diddly squat but you crazies keep breathing it back to life, wasting everyone's energy.

The arrogance in the Trump base who thinks the world revolves around their reality. HCQ is not used not because of political reasons or else it would have been a part of standards of care elsewhere in the world. People in Singapore, New Zealand, Taiwan, Switzerland, etc don't give a damn about American political micro-drama. Get over yourselves.

In conclusion, it don't work, we've tried.

BigBuddy69
08-07-20, 19:37
Maybe you should look more closely. That's only in certain cities, especially in very crowded streets or places.

BigBuddy69
08-07-20, 19:50
Maybe you should look more closely. That's only in some cities, especially in very crowded streets or places.

Pistons
08-07-20, 22:32
I hope you are being sarcastic as opposed to not understanding this metaphor.Some metaphors just have obvious holes in them that can easily be framed in reverse. This is one such.

Pointing it out is always funny.

HammerTime96
08-08-20, 15:35
So disrespectful. It amazes me how people who know so little about a subject matter speak like they know so much.

What you're proposing would suggest that the world is out to get a certain political affiliation by not using HCQ and "wrongly" intubating patients. Guess what? American politics do not dictate medical standards of care throughout the entire world! No one during a pandemic gives a shit about your president and his ignorant base wishing into thin air that a medicine works. Dozens of published post intervention studies have repeated shown that HCQ didn't do jack diddly squat but you crazies keep breathing it back to life, wasting everyone's energy.

The arrogance in the Trump base who thinks the world revolves around their reality. HCQ is not used not because of political reasons or else it would have been a part of standards of care elsewhere in the world. People in Singapore, New Zealand, Taiwan, Switzerland, etc don't give a damn about American political micro-drama. Get over yourselves.

In conclusion, it don't work, we've tried.Here's an interesting video of a nurse who describes the chaos in a New York City hospital, how they were financially pressured to intubate as many patients (poor blacks and latinos) as possible and how other treatment methods (HCQ) are sabotaged and torpedoed by hospital management: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ.

But you'll probably call this "fake news" when something doesn't suit your agenda or narrative.

Back to what this site apparently is all about: P6! So what's your agenda or outlook regarding P6? Please also answer that question, instead of the usual emotional (and political) attacks, claiming "expertise" without any proof. It's easy to pretend you're an "expert" on an anonymous hooker forum, LOL!

Again, how do you imagine the future of P6 in general and in particular for FKK clubs in Germany, when people are tracked by compulsory government apps and are tracked if they have the latest version of the required "vaccine" because corona viruses will keep on mutating?

As I said before, perhaps a handful of desperate idiotic tourists will not mind to surrender their complete privacy, but the large majority of locals (which keeps FKK clubs operating) WILL mind and probably won't visit anymore. I doubt that a handful of foreign tourist mongers can keep a club the size of Sharks financially afloat, let alone financially sustain the hundreds of women who work in those clubs.

I'l ask you directly: do you want the end of freedom and the end of the FKK clubs?

Mursenary
08-08-20, 20:08
Here's an interesting video of a nurse who describes the chaos in a New York City hospital, how they were financially pressured to intubate as many patients (poor blacks and latinos) as possible and how other treatment methods (HCQ) are sabotaged and torpedoed by hospital management: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ.

But you'll probably call this "fake news" when something doesn't suit your agenda or narrative.
Do you also believe in flat earth, anti vax, and fake moon landings?

Kippen
08-08-20, 22:29
I agree with Sirioja here.

How the hell can they be so optimistic when the virus is spreading wide again and Romania which is the 90 % provider is in 2nd or 3rd place every day in new cases in Europe?

I understand the girls who don't care much about the virus as long as they can make money but the visitors?I'm a visitor and I don't care at all. All I want is the FKKs to open again. Now I need to fly to other countries and buy escorts to my hotel. On the other hand it's nice because I can chill in the ocean and on the beach the whole days (Spain). My 3rd trip this summer to Spain is already planned in late August but I hope in September I can go to Artemis or even better the clubs in Hessen.

It's funny how many countries in the EU says 2nd wave is here (or atleast trying to slow the spread with more lockdowns). At the same time here in Sweden almost everything is normal, 1 of 1000 use facemask, bars & restaurants has been open the whole time etc. But the spread is "high" here according to other countries. Yes it's high compared to other countries but the fact is that many people have no symptoms at all. Right now there is 34 people with covid-19 in the intensive care, 34! The authorities even estimate that fewer people will die this year than in previous years if it continues like this.

I fully understand that it may be worse for older people (60+?) but open the clubs for all under the age of 60? But then Sylvana Sharks / GT can not work LOL.

Well, I really hope Artemis will open in September.

Chongmal
08-09-20, 01:46
It's easy to pretend you're an "expert" on an anonymous hooker forum, LOL!

Again, how do you imagine the future of P6 in general and in particular for FKK clubs in
Germany.

I'l ask you directly: do you want the end of freedom and the end of the FKK clubs?I know he doesn't need my help but I will speak to a couple of your points. First, I met Mursenary in person about the same time my father fell ill. He told me that my father would die from respiratory complications brought on by his illness. Almost two years later my father died exactly how I was advised it would happen. I tend to believe he has a bit of education in the medical field. For sure more than the average COVID experts on this thread.

Concerning P6 in Germany and FKKs, it will survive. The current sharp ideas will dull with time. 6 Sens is full of ladies who live in Germany and travel across the border and men who live in Germany and travel. Escort business is currently on a high. All the paranoia about being tracked doesn't matter when a nice lady is waiting to suck your dick. People will find ways. What information did you have to give to join this site. Given legal authorization I could trach the source IP address you are posting from, From that I could identify your service provider, crack an ARP table and see your device name. From that I could track other sites you visit, etc, etc. This site doesn't make you anonymous and the countries could easily employ facial recognition on the traffic cams near the clubs to track you if they wanted. So, P6 and FKK in Germany will survive above or below the legal line.

Me personally, I showed my ID at two or three clubs annually to get my free birthday entry, and the bar staff even played happy birthday for me at midnight 01 on my birthday. I don't know about Mursenary but I enjoyed the hell out of that night.

Pistons
08-09-20, 05:21
Again, how do you imagine the future of P6 in general and in particular for FKK clubs in Germany, when people are tracked by compulsory government apps and are tracked if they have the latest version of the required "vaccine" because corona viruses will keep on mutating?Fuck those apps! Until we have them, I doubt they will pass privacy laws. However, it strikes me as quite scary how so many people are willingly installing them themselves. Then again, I have seen a few mongers, and even FKK girls forgetting to turn off Facebook tracking. So there is that too.

Alessandro527
08-09-20, 07:04
I'm a visitor and I don't care at all. All I want is the FKKs to open again. Now I need to fly to other countries and buy escorts to my hotel. On the other hand it's nice because I can chill in the ocean and on the beach the whole days (Spain). My 3rd trip this summer to Spain is already planned in late August but I hope in September I can go to Artemis or even better the clubs in Hessen.

It's funny how many countries in the EU says 2nd wave is here (or atleast trying to slow the spread with more lockdowns). At the same time here in Sweden almost everything is normal, 1 of 1000 use facemask, bars & restaurants has been open the whole time etc. But the spread is "high" here according to other countries. Yes it's high compared to other countries but the fact is that many people have no symptoms at all. Right now there is 34 people with covid-19 in the intensive care, 34! The authorities even estimate that fewer people will die this year than in previous years if it continues like this.

I fully understand that it may be worse for older people (60+?) but open the clubs for all under the age of 60? But then Sylvana Sharks / GT can not work LOL.

Well, I really hope Artemis will open in September.Sweden followed a completely different model against virus than all European countries so there cannot be comparison. Here in Italy things are still risky like all other countries. Remember we will be talking about girls who took cum in their mouth from 10 different men and different nationalities (likely) before you kiss and fuck them.

Rocky V
08-09-20, 13:00
Here's an interesting video of a nurse who describes the chaos in a New York City hospital, how they were financially pressured to intubate as many patients (poor blacks and latinos) as possible and how other treatment methods (HCQ) are sabotaged and torpedoed by hospital management: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ. Ahhh you have a video on YouTube as evidence. That's great! That is the highest level of scientific evidence because they do not just let anyone post a video there. Only those that know the 'Truth' can!

Hey, if you or any member of your family has been diagnosed with cancer, please show them this video from YouTube on how to cure cancer with herbal extracts and homeopathy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9qqQ-Ks7M . It's is I=on YouTube, so it must be true and we can tell Big Pharma to fuck off!

Rocky V
08-09-20, 13:04
Some metaphors just have obvious holes in them that can easily be framed in reverse. This is one such.

Pointing it out is always funny.OK, good answer, I must admit!

Pistons
08-09-20, 15:34
Do you also believe in flat earth, anti vax, and fake moon landings?Not really following your discussion here, but did you know that flat earth was an idea made by a pr company in order to ridicule and make fun of critics of msm? In the same way another pr firm also invented the idea of what we now call conspiracy theories.

Most people have absolutely no idea how they are being programmed by the society all around them.

Sirioja
08-09-20, 20:03
Sweden followed a completely different model against virus than all European countries so there cannot be comparison. Here in Italy things are still risky like all other countries. Remember we will be talking about girls who took cum in their mouth from 10 different men and different nationalities (likely) before you kiss and fuck them.But very high deaths rate, 540/ million in Sweden with Stockholm as one of the worst capital in the World for deaths rate. I look forward to arrive in Dolomiti on this week, no risk in Stelvio or Mortirolo or Zoncolan, virus is not able to climb.

Mursenary
08-09-20, 20:51
I know he doesn't need my help but I will speak to a couple of your points. First, I met Mursenary in person about the same time my father fell ill. He told me that my father would die from respiratory complications brought on by his illness. Almost two years later my father died exactly how I was advised it would happen. I tend to believe he has a bit of education in the medical field. For sure more than the average COVID experts on this thread.

Concerning P6 in Germany and FKKs, it will survive. The current sharp ideas will dull with time. 6 Sens is full of ladies who live in Germany and travel across the border and men who live in Germany and travel. Escort business is currently on a high. All the paranoia about being tracked doesn't matter when a nice lady is waiting to suck your dick. People will find ways. What information did you have to give to join this site. Given legal authorization I could trach the source IP address you are posting from, From that I could identify your service provider, crack an ARP table and see your device name. From that I could track other sites you visit, etc, etc. This site doesn't make you anonymous and the countries could easily employ facial recognition on the traffic cams near the clubs to track you if they wanted. So, P6 and FKK in Germany will survive above or below the legal line.

Me personally, I showed my ID at two or three clubs annually to get my free birthday entry, and the bar staff even played happy birthday for me at midnight 01 on my birthday. I don't know about Mursenary but I enjoyed the hell out of that night.Thanks for the shout out.

I never really understood why people are worried about being "tracked. " I mean, is anyone here all that important as to worry about a third party looking into your business? The way I see it, the only people needing to worry are public figures and criminals.

I'm just a normal dude and the only effect that being tracked or monitored has on me is annoying targeted advertisements on my phone. No institution cares about my mongering habits or my movements. I'm not making frequent 6 figure transactions as to be scrutinized by tax or criminal investigation authorities. Not sure why all of the average paranoid conspiracy theorist would think that their information is all that important either.

Pessimist
08-10-20, 04:54
Thanks for the shout out.

I never really understood why people are worried about being "tracked. " I mean, is anyone here all that important as to worry about a third party looking into your business? The way I see it, the only people needing to worry are public figures and criminals.

I'm just a normal dude and the only effect that being tracked or monitored has on me is annoying targeted advertisements on my phone. No institution cares about my mongering habits or my movements. I'm not making frequent 6 figure transactions as to be scrutinized by tax or criminal investigation authorities. Not sure why all of the average paranoid conspiracy theorist would think that their information is all that important either.More of a privacy breach issue. If that is of concern to you. For example, if you are a married guy or have other personal and family issues then you may want to keep your mongering life private and hidden. Or from an employer / business pov.

But yes, I don't mind showing my ID at the front desk of a fuck club. I don't have any reason to think that info will somehow leak to other people from who I want to keep my mongering activities hidden. In general, this part of my life is known to no one else.

ExpatLover
08-10-20, 05:07
EL: I not married or in relation, so I am happy to give all my data, so many guys visiting prostitutes are married or have a GF and are just not able to be clear in their life, when you are happy in your relation there is no reason to visit prostitutes. I am far more afraid to get sick, this is my concern, I consider visiting a FKK or escort. Is at high risk and I don t want to get this sick even I am confident that probably I will survive just because I am fit, no smoking, drinking few, practicing sport. But I don t want to deal with fever. Ant on top of that I am bored to visit prostitutes knowing that it is easy to fuck, you just have to pay, now I am more in dating normal girls and trying to get what I am looking for, it is far more exciting for me and also the sex if any so much better than with those over washed and fucked girls in the P6 scene.

The Cane
08-10-20, 15:09
EL: I not married or in relation, so I am happy to give all my data, so many guys visiting prostitutes are married or have a GF and are just not able to be clear in their life, when you are happy in your relation there is no reason to visit prostitutes. I am far more afraid to get sick, this is my concern, I consider visiting a FKK or escort. Is at high risk and I don t want to get this sick even I am confident that probably I will survive just because I am fit, no smoking, drinking few, practicing sport. But I don t want to deal with fever. Ant on top of that I am bored to visit prostitutes knowing that it is easy to fuck, you just have to pay, now I am more in dating normal girls and trying to get what I am looking for, it is far more exciting for me and also the sex if any so much better than with those over washed and fucked girls in the P6 scene.Great! Now that you've had your fun and sated your appetite, anybody who remains is fucking nothing but washed up, fucked out girls in the P6 scene. Reminds me of guys who spend years mongering only to "find Jesus", and end up telling everybody else they should stop now and not have any fun with the tutes. After they themselves did just that for years.

Sirioja
08-11-20, 05:32
Great! Now that you've had your fun and sated your appetite, anybody who remains is fucking nothing but washed up, fucked out girls in the P6 scene. Reminds me of guys who spend years mongering only to "find Jesus", and end up telling everybody else they should stop now and not have any fun with the tutes. After they themselves did just that for years.Don't believe nor follow all what is written. Better to see guys to understand about writings.

Turgid
08-12-20, 14:50
EL: I not married or in relation, so I am happy to give all my data, so many guys visiting prostitutes are married or have a GF and are just not able to be clear in their life, when you are happy in your relation there is no reason to visit prostitutes. I am far more afraid to get sick, this is my concern, I consider visiting a FKK or escort. Is at high risk and I don t want to get this sick even I am confident that probably I will survive just because I am fit, no smoking, drinking few, practicing sport. But I don t want to deal with fever. Ant on top of that I am bored to visit prostitutes knowing that it is easy to fuck, you just have to pay, now I am more in dating normal girls and trying to get what I am looking for, it is far more exciting for me and also the sex if any so much better than with those over washed and fucked girls in the P6 scene.If you get a non washed up normal girl with no attitude that is hotter than FKK girls I say go for it, settle down. I have not been so lucky yet.

ExpatLover
08-12-20, 20:03
EL: I don't care about hot girls all this is bullshit, prostitute play their rule nothing more, all those guys proud to make the girl come, all is fake if not just go to those girls and tell them today you have no money for sure she will not go in the room even for a great orgasms.

Pistons
08-13-20, 23:17
EL: I don't care about hot girls all this is bullshit, prostitute play their rule nothing more, all those guys proud to make the girl come, all is fake if not just go to those girls and tell them today you have no money for sure she will not go in the room even for a great orgasms.It is possible. But mainly on the first day after she has been on vacation. And pretty much only then.

Sirioja
08-14-20, 09:02
It is possible. But mainly on the first day after she has been on vacation. And pretty much only then.Not only, and I'm not the only one to be able to experience, with real facts for proof, but of course they do this job for our money, not to get orgasms, but some get and even return to get again, daily or weekly, just matter of behavior and skill and what we look for in sexuality, but we are all different as say girls. What we are make what we get.

Turgid
08-14-20, 13:35
EL: I don't care about hot girls all this is bullshit, prostitute play their rule nothing more, all those guys proud to make the girl come, all is fake if not just go to those girls and tell them today you have no money for sure she will not go in the room even for a great orgasms.Tell any non pro girl that you have no money and see what happens.

The Cane
08-14-20, 13:59
Tell any non pro girl that you have no money and see what happens.Oh, there are still some non-pro women who will take you. They will say stuff like, "I will take care of you". I had a non-pro actually tell me that one time. Well, I'm not the kind of man who wants or needs to be "taken care of" by anybody. I do for myself. Laundry, vacuum, and everything haha! Now, all that said, still what an American non-pro is more likely to tell you is, "If you want to be with me? Then you got to have a job, a car, and an apartment or a house"! LOLOLOL! And it takes some money to have those things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cbWVXmLlfg

The Cane
08-14-20, 14:20
Between pros and non-pros? Listen to this, especially starting at the 1:54 mark LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2-mrsXgMM

Clodius1
08-14-20, 20:49
EL: I not married or in relation, so I am happy to give all my data, so many guys visiting prostitutes are married or have a GF and are just not able to be clear in their life, when you are happy in your relation there is no reason to visit prostitutes. I am far more afraid to get sick, this is my concern, I consider visiting a FKK or escort. Is at high risk and I don t want to get this sick even I am confident that probably I will survive just because I am fit, no smoking, drinking few, practicing sport. But I don t want to deal with fever. Ant on top of that I am bored to visit prostitutes knowing that it is easy to fuck, you just have to pay, now I am more in dating normal girls and trying to get what I am looking for, it is far more exciting for me and also the sex if any so much better than with those over washed and fucked girls in the P6 scene.Sounds to me like you're ISO the elusive civi unicorn. Hope you're not stuck in the American hellhole partner, cause that's a lost cause these days. So many bros going MGTOW and opting to play with the 304's instead. Of course, wishing you the best of luck wherever you are.

Pistons
08-14-20, 22:02
Between pros and non-pros? Listen to this, especially starting at the 1:54 mark LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2-mrsXgMMThat was hilarious.

Pistons
08-14-20, 22:11
Just listen to Jordan Peterson too, and read between the lines of what he is saying regarding what makes women happy. And you will understand that it is being paid for sex.

Now most societies of today are trying to program women into not wanting to take money in exchange for money. But our human nature passed onto us from thousands of years ago speaks otherwise. And our basic human instincts are telling women to sell sex for money.

Pistons
08-14-20, 22:14
It all relates back to the discussion regarding polygamy. Which we inherently are. While trying to stay monogamous. But the real reason for monogamy seems to have originally been the upbringing of a child.

So in other words, when there are no children involved, polygamy should be our natural ways. Unless we want to fight with nature. Something which cannot be mentally a smart thing to do. No matter what some greater overarching societal structure tries to tell you.

Pistons
08-14-20, 22:20
I suppose the only thing might be that human nature does not tell anyone to have sex 10 times a day.

ExpatLover
08-15-20, 14:00
EL: thanks for your best wishes, I am in Europe just next to Golden Time Vienna, I was married for 25 years, but never went to other girls, after 10 years of crazy mongering (probably trying to win back the lost time) and now since 2017 in a very relax approach about P6 or woman in general. So happy to being able to more or less quit my sex addiction and being able to build a far better personal life than driving from one FKK to another or from one prostitutes to another.

Mursenary
08-15-20, 15:51
polygamy should be our natural ways. Unless we want to fight with nature. Something which cannot be mentally a smart thing to do. No matter what some greater overarching societal structure tries to tell you.Shelter, medicine, laws against murder, evolution in general. Fighting with nature seems to have worked out pretty well so far.

BigBuddy69
08-16-20, 04:43
Sounds like the same words as Sirioja. Hmmmm?The English is clearly better!

Pistons
08-16-20, 10:16
Shelter, medicine, laws against murder, evolution in general. Fighting with nature seems to have worked out pretty well so far.But that was not what I ment.

I meant fighting with our own nature. Our own biology.

Mursenary
08-16-20, 15:26
But that was not what I ment.

I meant fighting with our own nature. Our own biology.Re: Medicine. Fighting the biology of aging and dying.

Re: Exploration. Fighting natural complacency for the safety of home to explore a bigger world and discover new fruitful lands.

Re: Monogamy and family. Fighting the urge to fuck fuck fuck so you can concentrate on protecting a family unit to ensure the survival of progeny and thus your genetics, I. E. The purpose of life.

Sea horses make a hundreds of progeny in hopes that a few survive. Deer and giraffe are born ready to walk with the mother. The biology of humans is a small litter in which the youngling requires a decade of nurture to ensure survival. That is the biology of monogamy and thus the evolution of the family unit.

Fighting the biology and nature of your reptilian brain and listening to the biology that is your cerebral cortex has worked out pretty well for human kind.

Alessandro527
08-16-20, 15:52
EL: thanks for your best wishes, I am in Europe just next to Golden Time Vienna, I was married for 25 years, but never went to other girls, after 10 years of crazy mongering (probably trying to win back the lost time) and now since 2017 in a very relax approach about P6 or woman in general. So happy to being able to more or less quit my sex addiction and being able to build a far better personal life than driving from one FKK to another or from one prostitutes to another.Your story is very interesting and thanks for sharing it. So I guess after 25 years with same woman you went crazy when you finally had your 'freedom' and wanted to fuck as many as possible to get back the lost time. I can't see how you had sex addiction though when you were all the time with the same woman!

Turgid
08-16-20, 16:29
What is this sex addiction that people talk about? I eat three times a day, do I have a food addiction? I drink water many times a day, do I have a water drinking addiction? Why is doing what nature intended for us an addiction. My brother was a gambler who lost his bank accounts, house and car because of it; nature never intended for humans to play poker with acquaintances and go to casinos, so gambling regularly is an addiction. Alcohol and drugs are manufactured by man and regular use is addictive. My experience is that only impotent men, frigid women, people who stick themselves in unhappy marriages and people who intend to mask their perversions or deviance are opposed to people having a good time sexually.

ExpatLover
08-16-20, 18:02
EL: I think that you are a clever guy, for me a addiction is when the things are getting out of control, so many times I met guys in FKK and they told me that they had 7 or 8 or more session in one day, I ask them were you able to come each time, do you remember the girl. And the answer was no, for me it is the beginning of an addiction. There is no reason to pay a prostitute if you are not able to come, better you stay home, the same for viagra if you need to fuck a prostitute better to stay home. Take it easy guys.

McAdonis
08-16-20, 19:12
What is this sex addiction that people talk about? I eat three times a day, do I have a food addiction? I drink water many times a day, do I have a water drinking addiction? Why is doing what nature intended for us an addiction. My brother was a gambler who lost his bank accounts, house and car because of it; nature never intended for humans to play poker with acquaintances and go to casinos, so gambling regularly is an addiction. Alcohol and drugs are manufactured by man and regular use is addictive. My experience is that only impotent men, frigid women, people who stick themselves in unhappy marriages and people who intend to mask their perversions or deviance are opposed to people having a good time sexually.Food addiction: It depends on portion size and what you are eating. There are people out there who eat for "comfort" or to relieve stress, even when they are not hungry, to the point that it adversely impacts their physical health. Every human loves delicious foods but some humans receive a "drug" like response when they eat these foods:


"The idea that a person can be addicted to food has recently gained increasing support. That comes from brain imaging and other studies of the effects of compulsive overeating on pleasure centers in the brain.

Experiments in animals and humans show that, for some people, the same reward and pleasure centers of the brain that are triggered by addictive drugs like cocaine and heroin are also activated by food, especially highly palatable foods."

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/eating-disorders/binge-eating-disorder/mental-health-food-addiction#1.I believe you have written that you are 60+ and still able to fuck, so my guess is that you are not morbidly obese and as such do not suffer from food addiction. The Hawaiian singer, Israel Kamakawiwoole, weighed 757 pounds (343 kg; 54st 1 lb) died at age 38. The doctors and his family begged him to diet. He made a few half-hearted attempts but always gained the weight back. Several of his family members died from obesity. We can conclude that he knew he was harming himself and that he would die prematurely, but he was unable to change his behavior. Food outweighed everything else (career, fame, wealth, his ability to have sex, his mission to share his culture with the world, watching his daughter grow old).

McAdonis
08-16-20, 19:23
Sea horses make a hundreds of progeny in hopes that a few survive. Deer and giraffe are born ready to walk with the mother. The biology of humans is a small litter in which the youngling requires a decade of nurture to ensure survival. That is the biology of monogamy and thus the evolution of the family unit.I get your point, that somebody has to be around to care for the human child until they are able to sustain themselves. But that could be anybody within the tribe, it does not necessitate that his birth mother and birth father need to stay together and monogamous, does it? In fact, our ancestors lived in more violent times, so a probable outcome is that a child could lose his father in battle and his mother could be raped and killed by an invading tribe. I wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.

Mursenary
08-16-20, 21:38
I get your point, that somebody has to be around to care for the human child until they are able to sustain themselves. But that could be anybody within the tribe, it does not necessitate that his birth mother and birth father need to stay together and monogamous, does it? In fact, our ancestors lived in more violent times, so a probable outcome is that a child could lose his father in battle and his mother could be raped and killed by an invading tribe. I wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.Well when we are talking about principles of evolution, whether genetic, population, or societal, it's a matter of probability. Yes there are cases of tribal child rearing, but the family unit has emerged as the most advantageous and thus dominant practice. Against the OP's original point, monogamy has emerged in defiance of our biology to fuck everything visually appealing in sight because the family unit is more advantageous to ensure the survival and proper social development of a comparatively (compared to other organisms) helpless and pathetic human youngling.

Chongmal
08-17-20, 01:17
wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.The Mormans are one example of this. As I understand it started with the custom of a man taking on the wife and children of his fallen brother and progressed from there. The wagon trains and western settlements were seen as no place for a single woman.

Pessimist
08-17-20, 04:29
https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/features/is-sex-addiction-real

Webmd is not clear Re: whether sex addiction is even a true addiction, as a substance addiction would be, for example. But they say it is not about excessive consumption of sex, but concerns risky behaviors related to sex. For example, most of us probably agree that rape perpetrators would be considered sexual deviants, or perhaps they are just deviants and not about sex at all. Webmd includes excessive porn consumption, excessive use of tutes, of cheating etc as examples of behavior indicative of sex addiction. Is it judgmental? Is it even real science or just a bunch of feminists writing such stuff (I said feminists because on this site, feminist is the worst insult one can throw at another person).

Perhaps! I mean, on this site, all of us use a fair amount of prostitution so I guess that makes all of us sex addicts in their view. I don't use extramarital affairs in the common use of that phrase, and I don't have a problem of excessive porn watching, or masturbating to porn, so my one sex addiction is using paid sex workers.

But then again, isn't addiction a tough thing to kick, without therapy and perhaps even medicines? I have abstained from paid sex since Covid outbreak, and even gave up sugar babes. Those are in easy reach and a few Sugarbabes kept asking to meet, as they needed the money. So, I have shown that if needed I can kick this habit for some amount of time. In fact, at this point I have no idea when is my next paid sex with either an escort, sugar babe, or FKK girl, and while I do miss them, it is not as if I am dying a slow death due to the absence of paid sex and in general, my life has been happy and healthy. So, Bottomline, if someone passes judgement on me that I am sex addicted, I will not get defensive but also I don't think that is quite accurate. But everyone is entitled to their own view.

Pistons
08-17-20, 11:12
Re: Medicine. Fighting the biology of aging and dying.

Re: Exploration. Fighting natural complacency for the safety of home to explore a bigger world and discover new fruitful lands.

Re: Monogamy and family. Fighting the urge to fuck fuck fuck so you can concentrate on protecting a family unit to ensure the survival of progeny and thus your genetics, I. E. The purpose of life.

Sea horses make a hundreds of progeny in hopes that a few survive. Deer and giraffe are born ready to walk with the mother. The biology of humans is a small litter in which the youngling requires a decade of nurture to ensure survival. That is the biology of monogamy and thus the evolution of the family unit.

Fighting the biology and nature of your reptilian brain and listening to the biology that is your cerebral cortex has worked out pretty well for human kind.1. Some humans have always been exploratory. Not all. Not the introvert conservative industrious types. But the liberal inventive extrovert types always have been.

2. We are hardwired to live together in monogamy for a certain amount of time: pregnancy and a time after that. But after about 18 months, the oxytocin receptors in our brains that keep us together with our partners start to wane off and loose their efficiency. This is biology, and it optimized for the perfect amount of gen spreading. Thus having the greatest effect on long term evolution.

3. Medicine. Well, by far most of all medicine is just natural remedy extracts. Take out of nature, and given a new name. I don't see anything unnatural about herbs, plants and fungi.

Turgid
08-17-20, 15:10
When I was in my 20's and had a girlfriend I was able some days to have sex 8 times a day and ejaculate each time. Now I am in my 60's I average 1 per day with a prostitute. Is it that because I have sex with a prostitute now I am a sex addict but was not when I was in my 20's? Perhaps there are indeed sex addicts but I think it is erroneous to equate mongering with sex addiction.

BigBuddy69
08-17-20, 15:26
When mongering becomes your only hobby and you start to fantasize about things that never happened yes it's an addiction.

Sirioja
08-17-20, 16:23
What is this sex addiction that people talk about? I eat three times a day, do I have a food addiction? I drink water many times a day, do I have a water drinking addiction? Why is doing what nature intended for us an addiction. My brother was a gambler who lost his bank accounts, house and car because of it; nature never intended for humans to play poker with acquaintances and go to casinos, so gambling regularly is an addiction. Alcohol and drugs are manufactured by man and regular use is addictive. My experience is that only impotent men, frigid women, people who stick themselves in unhappy marriages and people who intend to mask their perversions or deviance are opposed to people having a good time sexually.Just ask your doctor what is addiction which is a disease, suffering from not controlling what we do and falling in problems, like casino players who think they will win, but take bank credit, play their car, flat and lose all and their wife and children. Nothing about going everyday to get pleasure as long we can afford with own money and have pleasure and not suffering from. Many here use words without knowing meaning, because they can t afford, so they are frustrated, when I know some guys are in clubs every day, sometimes making 3 Swiss clubs on day, booking girls at Globe for many hours for more than 1500 CHF, or at GT Bruggen, booking girls for the day for more than 1000 €. I will never do this because I pay only time for sex, not to drink, nor smoke, nor gossip, nor listen to music, nor watch film, and I m really not a fast rabbit cheap guy when I sometimes take care of the girl for more than 1 hour before she takes care of me, or fucking. I m not jealous about others who visit more often or have more money than me, because I know what I look for and I only focus on my game, hard job to find nice elegant beauties for me. But at least I know the real meaning of addiction, not meaning from frustration built in clubs. Of course, I can only advice everyone to find a real girlfriend and to take care of her, much more interesting than brothels and being a follower. Better to live own way.

Pessimist
08-17-20, 16:35
I get your point, that somebody has to be around to care for the human child until they are able to sustain themselves. But that could be anybody within the tribe, it does not necessitate that his birth mother and birth father need to stay together and monogamous, does it? In fact, our ancestors lived in more violent times, so a probable outcome is that a child could lose his father in battle and his mother could be raped and killed by an invading tribe. I wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.If the sex ratio remains 50/50, polygamy just implies that while some guys have more wives and more women to fuck, some others have none.

I take it that in violent times the number of men may decline, and gender ratio skews in favor or women in which case, there would be more demand for the sperm. But on an ongoing basis, I have seen no evidence that men / women ratio was permanently and massively deviated from roughly 50/50.

In today's western societies, women outlive men and ratio may not be 50/50 exactly, but in several 3rd world countries, the ratio is skewed in favor of men because men eat better while the women are malnourished. Also, in some countries, girls are aborted when they find the sex of the fetus.

As for the rest of the tribe taking care of the babies. I guess there are not many guys here with families and kids. The inclination to care for your own blood is natural. I would not care for step children with the same care and affection as I would for my own. It does not make me a bad person. It is just programmed into your genes.

This is the same issue I have with all the postings here in which mongers dream of a society in which they can fuck around as they please and no one-to-one relationship exists. That sounds great on the paper and in your mind, but men would want to monopolize and each man wants more women to himself. Every king had a harem of thousands of women and they were guarded by eunuchs. And that is not conducive for the growth of any society.

Mursenary
08-17-20, 18:35
1. Some humans have always been exploratory. Not all. Not the introvert conservative industrious types. But the liberal inventive extrovert types always have been.

2. We are hardwired to live together in monogamy for a certain amount of time: pregnancy and a time after that. But after about 18 months, the oxytocin receptors in our brains that keep us together with our partners start to wane off and loose their efficiency. This is biology, and it optimized for the perfect amount of gen spreading. Thus having the greatest effect on long term evolution.

3. Medicine. Well, by far most of all medicine is just natural remedy extracts. Take out of nature, and given a new name. I don't see anything unnatural about herbs, plants and fungi.1. Fair. But still, leaving the comforts of home to fight the dangers of nature worked out pretty well. As such, is contradictory to your original point.

2. Wrong when analyzing with any depth. There are not receptors that are dulled out when with a specific partner. We don't have receptors for specific people. Perhaps if you had said less oxytocin is released over time due to less excitatory stimulation from the same partner, sure. But again, despite that, we fight the urge of natural biology and stay monogamous to maintain a family unit and thus stability. That again is fighting biology and nature which has worked out pretty good for stability of child rearing and thus survival.

3. Also wrong on so many levels. Most medicines are synthesized via the processes of organic chemistry. Some exceptions like antibiotics are cultured but that process also involves synthetic mediums with synthetic nutrients. Plus medicine also covers things like invasive surgery, mechanical ventilation, cardiovascular bypass, and dialysis and filtration. All unnatural attempts to fight nature and biology.

I see no credence to your point that fighting biology and nature, in this case polygamy, which is perhaps natural, to be a "not a smart" thing to do. In fact, almost always, fighting nature has led to progress and stability with perhaps some temporary instability such as wars. That's a pretty basic concept of human behavioral evolution.

McAdonis
08-17-20, 23:20
As for the rest of the tribe taking care of the babies. I guess there are not many guys here with families and kids. The inclination to care for your own blood is natural. I would not care for step children with the same care and affection as I would for my own. It does not make me a bad person. It is just programmed into your genes.Yes, I agree that most men would not be as affectionate towards someone else's children as they would be towards their own. However, Mursenary originally used the world "survival", so I took that literally and formulated my response accordingly. Provided she is fed and clothed, the red-headed stepdaughter will probably survive into adulthood, (she just might grow up to become a WG). I was told once that in ancient times, in Polynesia, LBGT stayed behind to care for the tribe's children. Essentially caring for the "next generation" while warriors were away fighting became their "patriotic" duty.

My original point to Mursenary, is that even if the birth father and birth mother were monogamous, what would be the chances that both parents would be alive to see the child's tenth birthday? What are the chances that the mother would survive childbirth or be able to give birth to a second baby? What would be the chances that the child would make it to their tenth birthday? So if I were a tribal chief, I might tell my strongest warrior to drop seed in ten different women, and hope that one of those ten sperm deposits will yield a healthy warrior in 16 years time. Because for all I know, my strongest warrior could be killed in his very next battle. If a child becomes an orphan at age two, the tribe might abandon the orphan regardless of how committed the birth father or birth mother were. If a child were orphaned at age 6-7, then that child only needs to be the tribe's burden for 1-2 years before they are able to contribute back to the tribe. So in that sense, it makes sense for the tribe to pitch in and raise him / her together.

Romania in the 1970's and 1980's serves as an example where the ruling class incentivized families to have babies, and pushed for the babies to be raised by the "tribe" aka state run orphanage. Obviously, many of these children were neglected, but they survived.


"Romanias large number of orphans were the result of a devastating combination of factors. The first was state-directed social engineering aimed at generating human capital. When Ceausescu took power in 1965, Romania had a declining birth rate and one of the highest rates of abortions and divorce in eastern Europe. In the name of procreation, the new leader instituted a number of radical policies: banning abortion, restricting divorce, instituting a childlessness tax and providing financial incentives for working mothers. He lowered the marriage age to 15 and awarded mothers medals based on the number of children they had. Perhaps the most extreme measure was the menstrual police: an army of gynaecologists who would enter schools and workplaces, investigating non-pregnant women and miscarriages.

The increased birth rate was coupled with the sentiment that the state could do a better job than the parent when it came to raising children. The government employed health professionals tasked with encouraging parents to relinquish their children. Serving the communist rationale of separating productive and non-productive members of society, the move derailed the family as a cohesive unit. The belief in the primacy of state-run institutions was paired with a dire economic climate which left many parents with little means to look after their children."

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/inside-the-iron-curtain%E2%80%99s-orphanages/5543388.

McAdonis
08-18-20, 03:40
When I was in my 20's and had a girlfriend I was able some days to have sex 8 times a day and ejaculate each time. Now I am in my 60's I average 1 per day with a prostitute. Is it that because I have sex with a prostitute now I am a sex addict but was not when I was in my 20's? Perhaps there are indeed sex addicts but I think it is erroneous to equate mongering with sex addiction.Turgid, it seems like you are focusing on the physical act of sex and numeric quantities. Pessimist posted an article, the very first sentence which states that sexual addiction is "not even all about sex". As Pessimist summarized, sexual addiction is about "risky behaviors". The article seems to suggest that spending half your income on prostitutes is a risky behavior. I suppose the implication is that one would risk their financial well being spending at those levels. The article characterizes watching porn at the office a risky behavior. That is, the sexual addict knows realizes that they would be fired on the spot if caught, but continues to engage in this behavior anyway. You did mention that you continue to monger amid the pandemic. If mongering is illegal in your country or you are 60+ and living in an CV-19 epicenter, those might be considered risky behaviors.


Perhaps! I mean, on this site, all of us use a fair amount of prostitution so I guess that makes all of us sex addicts in their view. I don't use extramarital affairs in the common use of that phrase, and I don't have a problem of excessive porn watching, or masturbating to porn, so my one sex addiction is using paid sex workers.

But then again, isn't addiction a tough thing to kick, without therapy and perhaps even medicines? I have abstained from paid sex since Covid outbreak, and even gave up sugar babes. Those are in easy reach and a few Sugarbabes kept asking to meet, as they needed the money. So, I have shown that if needed I can kick this habit for some amount of time. In fact, at this point I have no idea when is my next paid sex with either an escort, sugar babe, or FKK girl, and while I do miss them, it is not as if I am dying a slow death due to the absence of paid sex and in general, my life has been happy and healthy.You do mention being married. If your net worth is considerably higher than your wife's and you have no prenuptial than perhaps continued mongering might be considered a risky behavior. That said, whether it is evading law enforcement or mongering behind your wife's back, there are ways to mitigate the risks down to almost zero.


Webmd includes excessive porn consumption, excessive use of tutes, of cheating etc as examples of behavior indicative of sex addiction. Is it judgmental? Is it even real science or just a bunch of feminists writing such stuff (I said feminists because on this site, feminist is the worst insult one can throw at another person)."Feminist" would be the worst insult by a significant margin. A distant second on that list might be "sheep" or "brainwashed by society" or some variation thereof. Slight tangent, but I did not realize how rampant conspiracy theorists are in France, only 18 percent of French dismiss conspiracy theorists as "crackpots". USA is at 32 percent. Germany at 53 percent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/#5 e95 e1 c45 e94.

Mursenary
08-18-20, 05:03
It is not so much the size. But statistically speaking, shorter girls tend to be more feminine. While taller girls seems to have more testosterone in them and are more masculine. And I'm not gay.It's like I have to constantly correct every one of this guy's false scientific claims, which seem to be copious, Trump level even. Testosterone does not increase height, Growth Hormone and other growth factors are the major players in longitudinal bone growth. In fact, high levels of testosterone actually stunts lengthening of bones because testosterone down regulated sex hormone stimulating gonadotropins and also aromatizes to estrogen which prematurely seals the epiphyseal growth plates, stopping longitudinal growth. That is one reason why women are shorter, higher estrogen stunts bone lengthening earlier. Assuming a normally functioning sex hormone feedback axis, a woman with high testosterone would thus also have higher estrogen, thus stunting their height.

To curb becoming so tall, the Dutch have even previously used testosterone injection therapy to STUNT height!

For a more thorough discussion of hormones and height interplay, see link below:

https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/19/5/540/2530797

Alessandro527
08-18-20, 12:36
J. Of course, I can only advice everyone to find a real girlfriend and to take care of her, much more interesting than brothels and being a follower. Better to live own way.The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.

Sirioja
08-18-20, 14:32
The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.When a woman loves you, when you are able to give her pleasure, if you are not able, then you are boring sex for her, then she will do everything for you and even for sex. I refused many times what they wanted to do for me, when they thought I would like, but I preferred to have a princess image, than being sucked, swallowed or anal. With my last girlfriend, only same position for 5 years, but the best to see her eyes, smile and kissing. Most of guys are not able, but best pleasure is in mind, not little death, better to try to stay as long as girl can have stamina, just on the edge. We can experience about same with some girls and what I prefer is how they improve with me, like Anna Wellcum on repeating, after really average discovery, on this week end. My best FKK girl worked since 3 weeks at LR which was told to be high level for sex club, but she was so low level for sex on our discovery, but she improved so much with me, always choosing me first, everybody and staff knew at LR, staff even telling me about her 1 year after I stopped with her, when I came for another weekly regular, but she always improved for me and the only one I never felt I touched the limit, she was always able to adapt and do more, even in brothels. 80 hours together in 6 months she worked before I stopped and she was so angry, pleasure make repeating, when I didn't think to repeat at the end of discovery and same with Anna on Thursday evening, but real enjoyment to experience her improvement when we went to room at 00.30 am, she was very busy whole Saturday and I didn't think to repeat, but very welcoming, she was tired but no rush in room, take all your time, Wellcum close at 1 am, we finished at 1.30 am and club was closed with all lights on. We get from what we are, in real life and in brothels.

Turgid
08-18-20, 15:25
The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.Every girlfriend I have had would have liked me to do dirty things to her. I, however, don't like doing to girlfriends what I do to hot hookers because after the act I don't see the hookers again but I spend lots of non-sex time with the girlfriend and will be somewhat spooked by the thought that she is thinking of all the nasty things that I would have done to her. Nevertheless, I demand BBBJ from all girlfriends that I've had.

Turgid
08-18-20, 15:34
Turgid, it seems like you are focusing on the physical act of sex and numeric quantities. Pessimist posted an article, the very first sentence which states that sexual addiction is "not even all about sex". As Pessimist summarized, sexual addiction is about "risky behaviors". The article seems to suggest that spending half your income on prostitutes is a risky behavior. I suppose the implication is that one would risk their financial well being spending at those levels. The article characterizes watching porn at the office a risky behavior. That is, the sexual addict knows realizes that they would be fired on the spot if caught, but continues to engage in this behavior anyway................ https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/#5 e95 e1 c45 e94.Alcohol is bad for your health, is drinking alcohol a risky behavior? If so then that's a lot of addicts. If the person watching porn at the office does so in an environment in which he would never be caught, is it risky behavior? Is he an addict? What is the percentage of income one must spend on prostitutes before one is considered an addict? 25%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%? What if one is a billionaire? It is obvious that there is no hard and fast rule as to what constitutes a sex addict and it is very difficult to accurately place that label on anyone.

Mursenary
08-18-20, 16:26
Yes, I agree that most men would not be as affectionate towards someone else's children as they would be towards their own. However, Mursenary originally used the world "survival", so I took that literally and formulated my response accordingly. Provided she is fed and clothed, the red-headed stepdaughter will probably survive into adulthood, (she just might grow up to become a WG). I was told once that in ancient times, in Polynesia, LBGT stayed behind to care for the tribe's children. Essentially caring for the "next generation" while warriors were away fighting became their "patriotic" duty.

My original point to Mursenary, is that even if the birth father and birth mother were monogamous, what would be the chances that both parents would be alive to see the child's tenth birthday? What are the chances that the mother would survive childbirth or be able to give birth to a second baby? What would be the chances that the child would make it to their tenth birthday? So if I were a tribal chief, I might tell my strongest warrior to drop seed in ten different women, and hope that one of those ten sperm deposits will yield a healthy warrior in 16 years time. Because for all I know, my strongest warrior could be killed in his very next battle. If a child becomes an orphan at age two, the tribe might abandon the orphan regardless of how committed the birth father or birth mother were. If a child were orphaned at age 6-7, then that child only needs to be the tribe's burden for 1-2 years before they are able to contribute back to the tribe. So in that sense, it makes sense for the tribe to pitch in and raise him / her together..In evolutionary terms, survival of progeny extends beyond one generation (F1). Second (F2) and third (F3) generation of progeny not raised in a stable environment may see less and less probability of extending that genetic passage. If the 2nd generation survives but is a broken human, the chance of passing on their genes is greatly diminished compared to one raised in a stable family unit.

ExpatLover
08-18-20, 17:45
EL: I think that you are wrong, of course alcohol and nicotine are just a legal drug with a lot of people addict to it and killing millions of people every year. Easy to know if you are addict to FKK or prostitutes just don't go for at least 1 year. If you can t you are addict.

Pessimist
08-18-20, 18:05
Turgid, it seems like you are focusing on the physical act of sex and numeric quantities. Pessimist posted an article, the very first sentence which states that sexual addiction is "not even all about sex". As Pessimist summarized, sexual addiction is about "risky behaviors". The article seems to suggest that spending half your income on prostitutes is a risky behavior. I suppose the implication is that one would risk their financial well being spending at those levels. The article characterizes watching porn at the office a risky behavior. That is, the sexual addict knows realizes that they would be fired on the spot if caught, but continues to engage in this behavior anyway. You did mention that you continue to monger amid the pandemic. If mongering is illegal in your country or you are 60+ and living in an CV-19 epicenter, those might be considered risky behaviors.

You do mention being married. If your net worth is considerably higher than your wife's and you have no prenuptial than perhaps continued mongering might be considered a risky behavior. That said, whether it is evading law enforcement or mongering behind your wife's back, there are ways to mitigate the risks down to almost zero.

"Feminist" would be the worst insult by a significant margin. A distant second on that list might be "sheep" or "brainwashed by society" or some variation thereof. Slight tangent, but I did not realize how rampant conspiracy theorists are in France, only 18 percent of French dismiss conspiracy theorists as "crackpots". USA is at 32 percent. Germany at 53 percent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/#5 e95 e1 c45 e94.There are a lot of judgements in that WebMD article, which I assumed would be disputed by members on this board. I think WebMD is a reputable source on health matters. But as the article says, they are not even sure if they would classify sex addiction as an addiction and they admit it will not be included in DSM-5. They also say it is not about sex, as they say food addiction is not about food etc. So, what is it? Is it an excessive consumption of it? Is it multiple partners? I mean, if a young fella is married and fucks his wife 2 or 3 times a day and another person abstains for 9 months a year and has sex with FKK girls which he visits for say, 90 days a year, they might have sex approx equal number of times, but very likely that the latter is branded a sex addict by society. Likewise, if a star athlete in his 20's has a debonair life and plays the field, he would be envied and called a society playboy but a late mid aged man with 3 kids and a wife and middle class income fucking a tute once a week would be called a deviant.

In the article, they note sex addiction is characterized by other characteristics such as stress, anxiety, depression, shame. So, if I am a frequent monger but do not have any of those attendant feelings, I am not an addict, but if a guy with some underlying issues suddenly discovers mongering, starts seeing WGs a few times a month, and his feelings of anxiety and depression / shame get worse over time, would he be branded / diagnosed as a sex addict?

It seems to me that they don't yet have any formal way to define sex addiction and have to point to behaviors that they think are the result of underlying addiction issue. Such as porn watching, mongering, etc.

I suspect the reason they claim mongering is an addicted behavior not necessarily because it drains half your networth. I mean, if Robert Kraft hired 10 prostitutes a day, 24/7/365, even at Evita rates, he would not dent his networth by 1%. Someone with smaller balance sheet would be bankrupt if he hired even one tute at such rates. Is the diagnosis of sexual addiction dependent on one's balance sheet?

So, I feel this is still one of those emerging fields. I kinda converge on the opening paragraphs. My view is that people with underlying psychological disorders, be it anxiety / depression / something else, may have those manifest in the form of "sex addiction", or the behaviors enunciated in the article. However, the true disorder already exists and perhaps the risky behaviors become more extreme over time due to the progression of underlying psychological disorders.

Not to disclose too much about myself, but my wife makes almost as much as I do. In my case, the risk is not just to the balance sheet, but to the shame / embarrassment / family break-up / leaking of this news to extended family beyond just wife / kids, potential divorce being emotionally and otherwise painful, and impact on work life. I think the reason the Webmd authors categorize the "risky behaviors" as addiction is because the damage is manifold and not just limited to a financial amount.

The Cane
08-18-20, 18:10
EL: I think that you are wrong, of course alcohol and nicotine are just a legal drug with a lot of people addict to it and killing millions of people every year. Easy to know if you are addict to FKK or prostitutes just don't go for at least 1 year. If you can t you are addict.Well I easily pass this test. I'm not an addict! Yay! LOLOLOL!

The Cane
08-18-20, 20:07
It's like I have to constantly correct every one of this guy's false scientific claims, which seem to be copious.So I see you've been around long enough then LOL! After a while, maybe you will learn to just ignore.

McAdonis
08-18-20, 22:28
What is the percentage of income one must spend on prostitutes before one is considered an addict? 25%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%? What if one is a billionaire? It is obvious that there is no hard and fast rule as to what constitutes a sex addict and it is very difficult to accurately place that label on anyone.I never said that there is a hard, fast rule. The article mentioned 50 percent, but I do not believe even the author meant that to be a hard or fast rule. The author seemed to center their discussion on risky behavior. Pessimist discusses this, stating that is not just the financial risk, but also the social risks. I have expressed similar opinions in the past when stating that many local, married men prefer discrete mongering option, so not FKK clubs but private apartments.


I think the reason the Webmd authors categorize the "risky behaviors" as addiction is because the damage is manifold and not just limited to a financial amount.Everybody's life circumstances are different. If you have been told you only have six months to live having a bareback gangbang and sharing needles with a few homeless WGs probably isn't that risky of a behavior. For most people, it would be. Visiting a FKK once a week, for most normal guys is not risky behavior. But for some men, visiting a FKK even once, would be considered risky behavior. For example, since BLM has been in the news, let's use Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as an example. If either were caught leaving an FKK club, they would stand to lose a lot more than their wealth. Their careers and legacies would be ruined by the judgemental "feminists and impotent males". Both being religious men, they are held to a higher standard. They would lose all their followers. Family and friends would turn their back on them. For other high profile celebrities, like musician Justin Bieber, getting caught leaving a brothel was not risk to his career.

Mursenary
08-19-20, 01:39
So I see you've been around long enough then LOL! After a while, maybe you will learn to just ignore.You're right. It's a personal character flaw, LOL.

Pessimist
08-19-20, 02:11
I never said that there is a hard, fast rule. The article mentioned 50 percent, but I do not believe even the author meant that to be a hard or fast rule. The author seemed to center their discussion on risky behavior. Pessimist discusses this, stating that is not just the financial risk, but also the social risks. I have expressed similar opinions in the past when stating that many local, married men prefer discrete mongering option, so not FKK clubs but private apartments.

Everybody's life circumstances are different. If you have been told you only have six months to live having a bareback gangbang and sharing needles with a few homeless WGs probably isn't that risky of a behavior. For most people, it would be. Visiting a FKK once a week, for most normal guys is not risky behavior. But for some men, visiting a FKK even once, would be considered risky behavior. For example, since BLM has been in the news, let's use Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as an example. If either were caught leaving an FKK club, they would stand to lose a lot more than their wealth. Their careers and legacies would be ruined by the judgemental "feminists and impotent males". Both being religious men, they are held to a higher standard. They would lose all their followers. Family and friends would turn their back on them. For other high profile celebrities, like musician Justin Bieber, getting caught leaving a brothel was not risk to his career.W. R. T. Your second paragraph, I thought we were discussing risky behavior as a manifestation of underlying sex addiction, in the eyes of webmd or perhaps addiction psychiatrists (if they subscribe to the views of Webmd). I am not not saying those are my views nor did I say x or why is a risky behavior. What type of risk one is willing to take is completely up to that person. Far be it from me to even characterize some other guy's actions and behavior as risky.

But yes, risk is also specific to that individual as you say. Using hookers was not a risk to Kraft in terms of financial risk but was a massive hit reputationally. For a retired male porn actor, if he is not getting any action of late in his private life and visits hookers or fkks, there is zero reputation risk to getting caught, the risk is purely financial (or health, if he is unlucky).

Gino, who is not writing here anymore for a few months, called me a hypocrite a while ago because I am married and using hookers and he claimed he has visited FKKs with his work boss and co workers and challenged me to do the same. I don't know what type of work he does. In my case, visiting any of these clubs with anyone from my work place is a total no no. This part of my life is absolutely sealed. I would have as much chance of visiting these clubs with a boss or co worker as I would have of visiting with my spouse. But then again, I do see guys visiting FKKs with their wives (I think they are wives; didn't ask them) occasionally. So, yeah, everyone is different.

BTW, you are right about married guys and privacy in your first paragraph, at least for me. I bit $ch and complain that America is a sex prison but if magically there was a big Artemis in my home city, would I visit it? Very unlikely. So yes, I can see some married guys preferring private apartments to FKKs out of necessity, even if they wished they could be inside the FKKs.

Sirioja
08-19-20, 05:36
I never said that there is a hard, fast rule. The article mentioned 50 percent, but I do not believe even the author meant that to be a hard or fast rule. The author seemed to center their discussion on risky behavior. Pessimist discusses this, stating that is not just the financial risk, but also the social risks. I have expressed similar opinions in the past when stating that many local, married men prefer discrete mongering option, so not FKK clubs but private apartments.

Everybody's life circumstances are different. If you have been told you only have six months to live having a bareback gangbang and sharing needles with a few homeless WGs probably isn't that risky of a behavior. For most people, it would be. Visiting a FKK once a week, for most normal guys is not risky behavior. But for some men, visiting a FKK even once, would be considered risky behavior. For example, since BLM has been in the news, let's use Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as an example. If either were caught leaving an FKK club, they would stand to lose a lot more than their wealth. Their careers and legacies would be ruined by the judgemental "feminists and impotent males". Both being religious men, they are held to a higher standard. They would lose all their followers. Family and friends would turn their back on them. For other high profile celebrities, like musician Justin Bieber, getting caught leaving a brothel was not risk to his career.Justin Bieber, a musician? I didn't hear. Herbie Hancock, Stevie Wonder, Stanley Clarke, Steve Lukather, David Paich, play music. Addiction is when you can't control even when you are falling in problems, not when you can afford to get pleasure everyday, when you don't have other passions like some real sports, working to prepare your cars, to do before because more enjoyable for you, then this is only jealousy and frustration for some who can't afford, when they would like to go as often but can't. Just what I read here and some French are the worst jealous, but when they are in club, we can see girls with them. Really no need for jealousy, I don't need to be jealous for these girls.

SinglePro
08-19-20, 05:59
I never really understood why people are worried about being "tracked. " I mean, is anyone here all that important as to worry about a third party looking into your business? The way I see it, the only people needing to worry are public figures and criminals.

I'm just a normal dude and the only effect that being tracked or monitored has on me is annoying targeted advertisements on my phone. No institution cares about my mongering habits or my movements. I'm not making frequent 6 figure transactions as to be scrutinized by tax or criminal investigation authorities. Not sure why all of the average paranoid conspiracy theorist would think that their information is all that important either.I felt compelled to add my two cents here to hopefully help you understand. Pessimist has given you a valid reason, but, to many people, that is not even the main point. I think you are missing the root of the argument here. Why would you give up or give away something that is so private to you for free EVEN IF it's something benign, insignificant, unimportant, or no concern to you? Why would you want to be used? You aren't offended that people use you? Arguments like "I'm not important to be worried about being tracked", "only criminals worry about that", "it is not like I'm hiding something", or "no one cares about what I do" are NOT the point. I heard this kind of imbecile reasoning so many times. Good grief! Why would one be dumb enough, stupid enough, and idiotic enough to give away his personal bio data for nothing. Why?

That is the central point of the private data debate that so many people don't seem to understand. Keep in mind that whatever personal info you gave may not be useful now. Who is to say it may not become useful few years down the road. Who knows! This is not about worrying about being tracked. It's more about why would one be so gullible to give away his private data without being compensated for it. Privacy has a price. It's not f**king free.

To give you a relatable example, I've visited many clubs as many of you have done. If I was asked to present my passport at the front desk, my instinctive response would be "why?" even though I probably wouldn't mind if given a valid reason. After all, I was not hiding anything or committing a crime. Right? That's what you would argue. Correct? THAT IS NOT THE F**KING POINT! In my head, I probably think something like "it's none of your business". If they insist on seeing my identification without a legitimate reason, I would show my passport (without handling it over) to tell them that if there were a police raid, I would have a passport ready. That's pretty much how far I would go. Fortunately, that never happened. No club has ever asked my passport as a condition to enter the clubs. HOWEVER, HERE IS THE POINT. As many of you may know, many clubs have a policy of free entry on your birthday. Do you know that? I will hold my passport and show them my birthday so that I can get a free entry. You see where I'm going here? I gave away my private information in exchange for free entries to the clubs. That would save me 65 Euro per club or 120+ Euro for 2 clubs / day. Hell, I even took advantage of that by visiting 3 clubs on that day. You get it now? I did not give away my personal data for nothing. I use it to my own benefit.

When people go through your passport, they see where you come from. They know your ethnicity. They figure out your age. They find out where you've been. You see. They can build a profile of you. You may not care because you said you're just a normal dude and don't worry about being used for advertisement. You are missing the f**king point here. That's the kind of stupid mentality I used to have. Some people may end up using your personal profile to benefit themselves. They are making money off your private information without compensating you. Don't you get it? Why are you so stupid to let them do that? Imagine you filed a patent for an invention. Would you be happy if people use it in their products without paying you a royalty or something? I would be pissed and sue the hell out of those thieves. Think of it that way if that helps. Your personal bio data is owned exclusively by you as if you patented it. Understood now?

You may still not agree or say that it is not a big deal, but it is a big deal to someone else. We value our personal data differently. You get it? At least you can now understand this giving-away-your-personal-data discussion from a different perspective. When you engage in a such debate with your colleagues or friends as I've done occasionally, you can now understand it from a different angle. The bottom line is that there is no free lunch dude. Your personal profile information has a price. Don't give that away easily. No way!

Mursenary
08-19-20, 07:23
I felt compelled to add my two cents here to hopefully help you understand. Pessimist has given you a valid reason, but, to many people, that is not even the main point. I think you are missing the root of the argument here. Why would you give up or give away something that is so private to you for free EVEN IF it's something benign, insignificant, unimportant, or no concern to you? Why would you want to be used? You aren't offended that people use you? Arguments like "I'm not important to be worried about being tracked", "only criminals worry about that", "it is not like I'm hiding something", or "no one cares about what I do" are NOT the point. I heard this kind of imbecile reasoning so many times. Good grief! Why would one be dumb enough, stupid enough, and idiotic enough to give away his personal bio data for nothing. Why?
LOL, thanks for the kind words. Basically, I think your gripe is one of idealism with very few tangible manifestations stemming from a point of unwarranted self importance, selfish individualism even. That idealism may make some feel important but what often happens is that they sacrifice freedom of action or impose self restricting limitations for that idealistic sense of privacy.

As far as others profiting, if someone benefits from my info and I didn't lose anything of substance or endanger my sensitive identity information to criminals, why do I care? Heck, do you have a mobile phone with any apps? Example WhatsApp? Yeah, people have already been profiting off of your info for years.

Just because someone else wins does't mean you lose. Things are not always zero sum.

Basically, I'm saying "get over yourselves."

Alessandro527
08-19-20, 08:09
Every girlfriend I have had would have liked me to do dirty things to her. I, however, don't like doing to girlfriends what I do to hot hookers because after the act I don't see the hookers again but I spend lots of non-sex time with the girlfriend and will be somewhat spooked by the thought that she is thinking of all the nasty things that I would have done to her. Nevertheless, I demand BBBJ from all girlfriends that I've had.You don't find many girlfriends to piss in their mouth or insert toys in their ass or give you rim job whenever you want.

I have had many normal girlfriends and 90 % of them would never accept things like that.

But we have a dirty mind right? So someone has to do the job for us!

HammerTime96
08-19-20, 16:21
But very high deaths rate, 540/ million in Sweden with Stockholm as one of the worst capital in the World for deaths rate. I look forward to arrive in Dolomiti on this week, no risk in Stelvio or Mortirolo or Zoncolan, virus is not able to climb.540 deaths per million? Do you have any reference? What you say is complete nonsense, as the top spot belongs to Belgium, despite (it's massive lockdown and police state mask laws! Below are statistic and Sweden (no lockdown, no masks) is placed number 6. Ironically, Sweden is actually below (= better) Italy and Spain, where they has massive lockdowns and super strict mask wearing laws.

Some hard statistics, instead of just unverifiable fantasy numbers:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Here is a bunch of charts, comparing Sweden (no lockdown, no masks, no police state) to Belgium (heavy lockdown and strict mask protocols);.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=SWE~BEL

Adindas
08-19-20, 19:53
You don't find many girlfriends to piss in their mouth or insert toys in their ass or give you rim job whenever you want.

I have had many normal girlfriends and 90 % of them would never accept things like that.

But we have a dirty mind right? So someone has to do the job for us!Blatant honest answer. Do that to your girfirend and you will get slap in the face.

Sirioja
08-19-20, 21:52
You don't find many girlfriends to piss in their mouth or insert toys in their ass or give you rim job whenever you want.

I have had many normal girlfriends and 90 % of them would never accept things like that.

But we have a dirty mind right? So someone has to do the job for us!I really don t need this, this is not sex. Even paying, even I know some guys like to receive GS or have ass licked and pay for this, but I would not even dare to ask for above. I find more interesting for sex.

Sirioja
08-19-20, 21:58
540 deaths per million? Do you have any reference? What you say is complete nonsense, as the top spot belongs to Belgium, despite (it's massive lockdown and police state mask laws! Below are statistic and Sweden (no lockdown, no masks) is placed number 6. Ironically, Sweden is actually below (= better) Italy and Spain, where they has massive lockdowns and super strict mask wearing laws.

Some hard statistics, instead of just unverifiable fantasy numbers:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Here is a bunch of charts, comparing Sweden (no lockdown, no masks, no police state) to Belgium (heavy lockdown and strict mask protocols);.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=SWE~BELMy reference is just official figures = Swedish rate is 540 deaths per million people and Stockholm being one of the worst capital for deaths rate.

Turgid
08-19-20, 22:23
You don't find many girlfriends to piss in their mouth or insert toys in their ass or give you rim job whenever you want.

I have had many normal girlfriends and 90 % of them would never accept things like that.

But we have a dirty mind right? So someone has to do the job for us!You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas. I do not enjoy rim jobs, I first got that in China and it never grew on me. The only toy I bring for girls to play with is my penis.

JohnReter335
08-19-20, 22:37
You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas. I do not enjoy rim jobs, I first got that in China and it never grew on me. The only toy I bring for girls to play with is my penis.Yes and penis is the best ever natural loving toy.

ExpatLover
08-20-20, 02:35
EL: prostitutes are not normal girls, most of them will do everything for money, that is why I don t kiss a prostitute even she is proposing it to me for free, I don t do or receive riming, obviously playing with shit is also part of the game. If some of you could see what some prostitute have done with her mouth and tongue they will never kiss her. As already reported several times. For me it is coming to a end of my prostitution journey, I need to find extremely natural beauties to enjoy my time with her.

Sirioja
08-20-20, 06:30
You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas. I do not enjoy rim jobs, I first got that in China and it never grew on me. The only toy I bring for girls to play with is my penis.When you have good dick and know how to use, able to control, except tongue and fingers to prepare the girl and know when her vagina is ready wet, I like when girls understand what will happen and wide open their legs to help for access, when they understand when you start, usually they close their eyes, no fake porn noise, they give you full access, some follow you rubbing clit on your tongue, or putting your head on right spot, enjoyable to see them participating to get orgasmus and to see their eyes just after, most saying thank you, then You don t need other tools, but only your knowledge and skill. And then, they say: now your turn for pleasure, they will to give you back. Giving to receive.

Wiild
08-20-20, 10:57
How can you "demand" something from a girlfriend? No offense but I think your sex-buying has really affected the way you look at girlfriendds and relationships? In healthy relationships you don't exchange money and services, you can't DEMAND sexual acts! Also: to suck dick in the world outside FKKs and escorts is always without condom, No? Why would you put a condom on the dick when your girlfriend is sucking you? Once again I think this type of expression shows too much focus and time spent in FKK: which in turn probably shows some addictive behaviour that could be messing with our real relationships.


I demand BBBJ from all girlfriends that I've had.

Sirioja
08-20-20, 12:55
How can you "demand" something from a girlfriend? No offense but I think your sex-buying has really affected the way you look at girlfriendds and relationships? In healthy relationships you don't exchange money and services, you can't DEMAND sexual acts! Also: to suck dick in the world outside FKKs and escorts is always without condom, No? Why would you put a condom on the dick when your girlfriend is sucking you? Once again I think this type of expression shows too much focus and time spent in FKK: which in turn probably shows some addictive behaviour that could be messing with our real relationships.Fully agree, seem like many here never had woman they loved, then you don't ask her to suck you, but you treat her to receive a gift from what she wants to give you from her love for you and how you make her feel, but you don't beg. I don't even beg with prostitutes, I don't ask anything, I just play my game, adapt to girls and I enjoy what they decide to give me, maybe why they usually choose me first, even sporty sex feeling something inside their belly.

Pistons
08-20-20, 13:00
EL: prostitutes are not normal girls, most of them will do everything for money, that is why I don t kiss a prostitute even she is proposing it to me for free, I don t do or receive riming, obviously playing with shit is also part of the game. If some of you could see what some prostitute have done with her mouth and tongue they will never kiss her. As already reported several times. For me it is coming to a end of my prostitution journey, I need to find extremely natural beauties to enjoy my time with her.FKK girls also shower and clean themselves 10 times more than the average 'natural' girl in this world.

Don't fool yourself over mind tricks of what you believe is generalizations of groups in our society! It only makes you seem unintelligent.

Pistons
08-20-20, 13:03
It's like I have to constantly correct every one of this guy's false scientific claims, which seem to be copious, Trump level even. Testosterone does not increase height, Growth Hormone and other growth factors are the major players in longitudinal bone growth. In fact, high levels of testosterone actually stunts lengthening of bones because testosterone down regulated sex hormone stimulating gonadotropins and also aromatizes to estrogen which prematurely seals the epiphyseal growth plates, stopping longitudinal growth. That is one reason why women are shorter, higher estrogen stunts bone lengthening earlier. Assuming a normally functioning sex hormone feedback axis, a woman with high testosterone would thus also have higher estrogen, thus stunting their height.

To curb becoming so tall, the Dutch have even previously used testosterone injection therapy to STUNT height!

For a more thorough discussion of hormones and height interplay, see link below:

https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/19/5/540/2530797Dude, 'seem to have is NOT a scientific statement. This your entire post falls flat on its face. Learn to read before responding!

Pistons
08-20-20, 13:09
So I see you've been around long enough then LOL! After a while, maybe you will learn to just ignore.Ignoring is not posting that you are ignoring. Posting that you are ignoring is in fact the polar opposite. Meaning you have read my scientific claims in the past. However, reading comprehension is a given, if people try to challenge my statements. Something in which this last poster who must have multiple handles for his claim to hold up does not seem to have.

I do wonder if you also lack reading comprehension given your agreeable nature to this other entity.

Pistons
08-20-20, 13:22
Mursenary, or should I call you Takedown?

When someone is incapable of finding logical flaws in an opponents ideas, a standard practice is to twist his words. Thus making it seem like he has logical flaws in his reasoning. Again, 'seem like' is the key words here. Very unscientific. It boils down to rethorics, and uninteresting bias.

Much like what you find in American politics. But your link to Trump makes me think you have wasted way too much time on following such brainless activities such as the American elections.

Pistons
08-20-20, 13:27
I will end this spree of post by giving you one scientific claim. Then you can rather try and find faults in that, instead of spinning around something which only you (and maybe Cane) believed was a scientific claim.

The most important strategy to have in a discussion is telling the truth.

This was a scientific statement. It did not incorporate 'seem to', or any other verbal phrases like that.

Wanking
08-20-20, 16:57
https://youtu.be/9MVkB50DWKw

Better off stay home and just have a wank 😂.

The Cane
08-20-20, 17:19
https://youtu.be/9MVkB50DWKw

Better off stay home and just have a wank.Well nobody knows what happens after the curtain closes LOL!

Nooky Ninja
08-20-20, 17:22
My reference is just official figures = Swedish rate is 540 deaths per million people and Stockholm being one of the worst capital for deaths rate.Actual Swedish data shows much more complicated picture, and Stockholm not worst affected.

See https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa summarized here https://www.thelocal.se/20200817/maps-where-is-the-coronavirus-spreading-fastest-in-sweden. Of course nothing to do with Arts thread.

Think it is very risky/crazy to reopen Artemis. People come from all over Europe and world (especially Italy, Sweden, UK on weekends), showers together, sitting near for hours in big smokey room, this and small rooms upstairs poor ventillation and of course girls doing 10 guys per day. No matter what precautions taken (and these will of course slip over time), and even staying outside til November (!) think about all the ways things could spread. Loved the place for long time but until vaccine proven and available, no way.

MaxSquatter
08-20-20, 18:16
They may have saliva tests or something at front. Either way life must go on. Do what works for you- young fit women are least vulnerable. Let them work; this is their livelihood.


Actual Swedish data shows much more complicated picture, and Stockholm not worst affected.

See https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa summarized here https://www.thelocal.se/20200817/maps-where-is-the-coronavirus-spreading-fastest-in-sweden. Of course nothing to do with Arts thread.

Think it is very risky/crazy to reopen Artemis. People come from all over Europe and world (especially Italy, Sweden, UK on weekends), showers together, sitting near for hours in big smokey room, this and small rooms upstairs poor ventillation and of course girls doing 10 guys per day. No matter what precautions taken (and these will of course slip over time), and even staying outside til November (!) think about all the ways things could spread. Loved the place for long time but until vaccine proven and available, no way.

ExpatLover
08-20-20, 18:59
EL: I am just afraid to look as intelligent as you.

Alessandro527
08-20-20, 19:37
You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas..Yes of course, but not all of them. Isn't that what they work for?

You get sick of piss but you don't mind the girl you DFK had gallons of cum before you?

No I don't do nasty things like shit in vagina but I know many girls that are happy to do that to Arabs when they invite them for a 10 k fee weekend to Dubai.

Alessandro527
08-20-20, 19:39
When you have good dick and know how to use, able to control, except tongue and fingers to prepare the girl and know when her vagina is ready wet, I like when girls understand what will happen and wide open their legs to help for access, when they understand when you start, usually they close their eyes, no fake porn noise, they give you full access, some follow you rubbing clit on your tongue, or putting your head on right spot, enjoyable to see them participating to get orgasmus and to see their eyes just after, most saying thank you, then You don t need other tools, but only your knowledge and skill. And then, they say: now your turn for pleasure, they will to give you back. Giving to receive.Sounds like a romantic love story but you know of course they are just fake to make you feel special right?

They are just prostitutes and they do all this acting to anyone.

Alessandro527
08-20-20, 19:50
FKK girls also shower and clean themselves 10 times more than the average 'natural' girl in this world.Yes they do shower and clean themselves 10 times more than average normal girls but this is for 2 reasons.

1. They fuck and take cum in mouth from 15 different guys every night while 'normal'girls don't.

2. The more they wash they more they get the satisfaction they get all the 'dirt'out of them.

ExpatLover
08-20-20, 19:53
They may have saliva tests or something at front. Either way life must go on. Do what works for you- young fit women are least vulnerable. Let them work; this is their livelihood.

EL: being a prostitute is not a work, what about the spreading of the covid through the prostitutes, mongers affecting other people and may be you too who also can face a lot of side effects. Nobody knows before how sick he can get but even young and healthy people can get quite sick and needs weeks to fully recover.

Alessandro527
08-20-20, 19:59
https://youtu.be/9MVkB50DWKw

Better off stay home and just have a wank.So will hand shake be considered as an 'extra'now? Hahaha.

Nooky Ninja
08-20-20, 20:03
They may have saliva tests or something at front. Either way life must go on. Do what works for you- young fit women are least vulnerable. Let them work; this is their livelihood.Many / most of fit women come from Romania which has almost no virus. Well, except explosion in last 6 weeks. But of course, Ninja forgot, it could never spread just between the men (like e. G. Sports teams experience). And all have 30-40% asymptomatic rates. Ninja live in Berlin- daily new infection rate now almost 4 times what it was in May. But why believe science when we have feelings? You also right that there will probably be something at front. It is called cash register.

Alessandro527
08-20-20, 20:05
Many / most of fit women come from Romania which has almost no virus. .No virus? It is second or third every day in new cases in Europe with about 1500 new cases every day.

Mursenary
08-20-20, 21:38
I will end this spree of post by giving you one scientific claim. Then you can rather try and find faults in that, instead of spinning around something which only you (and maybe Cane) believed was a scientific claim.

The most important strategy to have in a discussion is telling the truth.

This was a scientific statement. It did not incorporate 'seem to', or any other verbal phrases like that.Something seems to be pretty disingenuous about this string of posts. There seems to be many logical disconnects when making the various conclusions. Emotions like pride seem to often interfere with logical thinking. That often seems to be when truthfulness goes to the wayside, perhaps without the person actually ever even consciously knowing it.

Oregon97
08-20-20, 21:48
My reference is just official figures = Swedish rate is 540 deaths per million people and Stockholm being one of the worst capital for deaths rate.Just confirmed this week that 85% of reported Corona deaths in Sweden was due to other illnesses than the virus.

MaxSquatter
08-20-20, 22:02
The science still does not tell us which course of action to take. We don't know how far we are with the course of this virus. When does it end? Can nations pay for missed employment and GDP from lost work? For how long? What about psychological health / depression from lock down? Being out of work? Having no meaning. You're welcome to your concern and to disagree with opening but science can't dictate what our priorities should be in life.


Many / most of fit women come from Romania which has almost no virus. Well, except explosion in last 6 weeks. But of course, Ninja forgot, it could never spread just between the men (like e. G. Sports teams experience). And all have 30-40% asymptomatic rates. Ninja live in Berlin- daily new infection rate now almost 4 times what it was in May. But why believe science when we have feelings? You also right that there will probably be something at front. It is called cash register.

HammerTime96
08-20-20, 22:18
Just confirmed this week that 85% of reported Corona deaths in Sweden was due to other illnesses than the virus.In Florida they even counted a guy who died in a motorbike crash as "covid19 death:" https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report.

So much lying by the political prostitutes and the "presstitutes" in the media, and so many loser Snowflakes ready to suck up the lies and cry for a "vaccine. "

Pistons
08-21-20, 00:08
Something seems to be pretty disingenuous about this string of posts. There seems to be many logical disconnects when making the various conclusions. Emotions like pride seem to often interfere with logical thinking. That often seems to be when truthfulness goes to the wayside, perhaps without the person actually ever even consciously knowing it.Maybe you are right. Seems to.

Turgid
08-21-20, 00:10
How can you "demand" something from a girlfriend? No offense but I think your sex-buying has really affected the way you look at girlfriendds and relationships? In healthy relationships you don't exchange money and services, you can't DEMAND sexual acts! Also: to suck dick in the world outside FKKs and escorts is always without condom, No? Why would you put a condom on the dick when your girlfriend is sucking you? Once again I think this type of expression shows too much focus and time spent in FKK: which in turn probably shows some addictive behaviour that could be messing with our real relationships.Remember these girls are more expensive than FKK girls. All my prospective girlfriends go through a trial period. If they don't put out to my liking they're out the door.

Pistons
08-21-20, 00:16
No matter what it is, I can admit I don't like my words being twisted.

Pistons
08-21-20, 00:21
In Florida they even counted a guy who died in a motorbike crash as "covid19 death:" https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report.

So much lying by the political prostitutes and the "presstitutes" in the media, and so many loser Snowflakes ready to suck up the lies and cry for a "vaccine. "So what do you think regarding my theory about the corona epidemic being a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall?

Of course, a well done cover up also needs to be ended well. A vaccine can be one such. Lab grown tweaks to a virus also included.

Pessimist
08-21-20, 01:01
You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas. I do not enjoy rim jobs, I first got that in China and it never grew on me. The only toy I bring for girls to play with is my penis.Rimming is something most girls provide in FKKs with some extra incentive, and a few give it for free. I had that service delivered to me a few times. Don't think I ever paid for it. To be honest, other than the novelty value, it does nothing for me. First, it feels wet. My asshole is not an erotic zone, at least not for me. If a girl licks my ear, it turns me on occasionally; but my dick never became harder just because a girl licked my ass.

Re: the points you raised, one pretty much has to assume the girl had provided the nastiest services to some guy in her prior room. Perhaps that is why MrHo claims he takes the first room of the day from any girl. He claims he likes rimjobs performed on him. I guess he likes a rim job but does not like the feeling that she may have done it to some other guy in the prior room and then kisses him. Fair enough. When it comes to sex, selfishness is a fine attribute and hypocrisy is not a sin.

I typically block out such imagery from my mind and kiss the girl as long as she looks clean and has a good breath, which many girls in FKKs do. I would more worried if I walk into the room with a girl and there is a suspicious stain on the bed, or worse yet the room has urine stench. Then we would of course walk out and wait for another room.

Pistons
08-21-20, 01:02
EL: I am just afraid to look as intelligent as you.Well, if you are scared of transmittance of bacteria and viruses, this is hardly the right forum for you. But we only live once.

Pistons
08-21-20, 01:06
When people are having a hard time getting it up, a standard approach is to justify not indulging in it by some other reasoning. For example trying to abolish it for everyone else. And thus making excuses.

Tuber19
08-21-20, 03:18
I don't understand why someone here say FKK girls are very dirty and full of shit and cum in there mouth etc.

This is exactly the opposite of what I saw there, maybe we have different opinion but I think if I hold there opinion of dirty FKK girls I would never go there and I will not be interested in this form or post here.

Mursenary
08-21-20, 04:17
No matter what it is, I can admit I don't like my words being twisted.The easy fix is to use a better combination of words. Grasp of subject matter beyond superficial familiarity of catch words also helps.

ExpatLover
08-21-20, 04:21
EL: Turgid saying these girls are more expensive seems not to be a argument, in fact it is different case by case but globally if you both are working you share some costs (housing.) for me at least it will be far cheaper. Usually with a GF, or spouse you are building a future, you create memories. What are you creating with a prostitute: riming, sucking.

BigBuddy69
08-21-20, 07:54
Yes of course, but not all of them. Isn't that what they work for?

You get sick of piss but you don't mind the girl you DFK had gallons of cum before you?They don't work as human toilets.

There is a slight difference between piss and cum.

Pistons
08-21-20, 10:19
I don't understand why someone here say FKK girls are very dirty and full of shit and cum in there mouth etc.

This is exactly the opposite of what I saw there, maybe we have different opinion but I think if I hold there opinion of dirty FKK girls I would never go there and I will not be interested in this form or post here.I totally agree.

But perhaps the sheep mentality regarding social distancing and viruses in the media during the past 5 months have swayed a few posters here on the forum. Touché, but with those ideas they won't be missed.

Older people might also be more at risk from corona. I stay healthy and are not very old myself. So not worried at all.

Having corona confused with something dirty just makes them seem unintelligent though.

Gino02
08-21-20, 11:34
https://www.businessinsider.com/long-term-coronavirus-immunity-t-cells-2020-8

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection and it's not just about antibodies.

Rocky V
08-21-20, 13:34
Just confirmed this week that 85% of reported Corona deaths in Sweden was due to other illnesses than the virus.Mortality rate is not the only parameter to consider, when you evaluate a pandemic. You no longer die from HIV anymore today, but you would still not say HIV is not a serious virus. COVID-19 has a 1% mortality rate, but 7% of infected people will require intensive care for prolonged period of time, 20% will suffer from very severe symptoms for more than 2 months and 30% of recovered people will be left with permanent damages to the lungs.

Sirioja
08-21-20, 16:14
Yes they do shower and clean themselves 10 times more than average normal girls but this is for 2 reasons.

1. They fuck and take cum in mouth from 15 different guys every night while 'normal'girls don't.

2. The more they wash they more they get the satisfaction they get all the 'dirt'out of them.You think most girls take shower between rooms? In reality, only a few, very few. At GT Bruggen which is the best club for good business for girls in Germany, no shower for girls, only shower for us, so, how can they take shower? When some girls have 10 rooms per day. They shower before arriving and when they finish, 2 public shower close to sauna. Between rooms, they use bidet to wash pussy, they are not dirty girls but they don t have better for them in the most VIP club in Germany, the most crowded and the best business for girls. Sometimes 60/70 girls and no private shower for them.

BigBuddy69
08-21-20, 16:59
Well, if you are scared of transmittance of bacteria and viruses, this is hardly the right forum for you. But we only live once.Yeah but trolling is so funny when you have nothing else to do with your life.

Pistons
08-21-20, 19:33
The easy fix is to use a better combination of words. Grasp of subject matter beyond superficial familiarity of catch words also helps.So my initial joke really did go straight past you? Should it really be needed to point jokes out on a forum where I suspect most people are aged 25+?

At least one person got my joke (see Oase thread).

In my eyes, humor is the best indicator of intelligence.

Take this for what its worth also:

https://www.psychologistworld.com/cognitive/black-humor-linked-to-high-intelligence-study

Pistons
08-21-20, 19:44
Or make that 2. As Sirioja also clearly got the joke in addition to Bigbuddy.

Now of course you might say "oh, but that type of humor is not even the slightest funny" "oh, but that type of humor is rude", or some lame comment I've heard ad nauseum a million times. All coming from people I've never in my life ever heard a joke from.

But that goes in one ear and out the other. And I can just refer you to the dark humor article.

Tuber19
08-21-20, 20:17
So what do you think regarding my theory about the corona epidemic being a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall?

Of course, a well done cover up also needs to be ended well. A vaccine can be one such. Lab grown tweaks to a virus also included.That is a smart claim, I always though that lockdown wasnt effective and does more harm than good.

Do you have a solid prove for your claim?

Tuber19
08-21-20, 20:45
https://www.businessinsider.com/long-term-coronavirus-immunity-t-cells-2020-8

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection and it's not just about antibodies.I hope, but if the Vaccine few months away, I think governors prefer to wait for it rather than admit they were over reacting from the beginning.

Alessandro527
08-21-20, 20:54
They don't work as human toilets.

There is a slight difference between piss and cum.What is the difference, more protein?

I don't say that they are human toilets but most of them do anything for money. Regarding pissing most of them are active but akot are passive if you pay them well. The extra cost is normally as much as anal.

BigBuddy69
08-21-20, 21:29
That's total bullshit, you should stop reading conspiracy pages on Facebook.

Or maybe the coronavirus is one wunderwaffe from the nazis on the dark side of the moon?

ShooBree
08-21-20, 22:33
Mortality rate is not the only parameter to consider, when you evaluate a pandemic. You no longer die from HIV anymore today, but you would still not say HIV is not a serious virus. COVID-19 has a 1% mortality rate, but 7% of infected people will require intensive care for prolonged period of time, 20% will suffer from very severe symptoms for more than 2 months and 30% of recovered people will be left with permanent damages to the lungs.Argumentative. Nothing that you wrote are hard facts. We don't know the actual mortality rate and I highly doubt the last part of what you wrote. There are no real evidence of that being true, I'd claim that the IFR is closer to 0.4% and the number of cases with permanent damages that will have any notable effects are closer to 1% than 30%.

Sirioja
08-21-20, 22:38
Mortality rate is not the only parameter to consider, when you evaluate a pandemic. You no longer die from HIV anymore today, but you would still not say HIV is not a serious virus. COVID-19 has a 1% mortality rate, but 7% of infected people will require intensive care for prolonged period of time, 20% will suffer from very severe symptoms for more than 2 months and 30% of recovered people will be left with permanent damages to the lungs.You never recover from HIV, you will stay weak health, just surviving. About covid reality, just have to count how many more deaths than usual, or just imagination?

HammerTime96
08-21-20, 22:39
So what do you think regarding my theory about the corona epidemic being a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall?

Of course, a well done cover up also needs to be ended well. A vaccine can be one such. Lab grown tweaks to a virus also included.Oh I would't be surprised that they are using Covid19 to cover up an imploding house of cards on the financial markets, but most people have never even heard of the RePo Market which nearly crashed in September last year and how rates shot up to 10%, so they think we are "tinfoil hat Cov-idiots."

By the way, I am not suggesting that Covid19 has been deliberately created, but I do think that the politicians, central bankers and their accomplices in the mainstream media ("news" brought to you by big corporations or state owned "news" stations) are using and exaggerating this whole new flu in order to reset the financial system. As the saying goes: "never let a crisis go to waste. " The GFC (Great Financial Crisis) of 2008 was a major wake up call, and now, while people are brainwashed and scared stiff by the media and running around like headless chickens crying about a "vaccine" and "social distancing," the bankers and politicians can do whatever they want. Snowflakes are crying "save me!" and "give me a vaccine!" and the big banks are crying "give me a bail out!

Most people are completely clueless how much freshly "printed" money has been pumped into an exponential debt-based financial system, and how, eventually, this will always come to a bad end.

There is actually a funny parallel to sex / women and financial crisis, it's called the "Hemline Index. ".

According to the theory, the better the economic times (like the "Roaring Twenties" the shorter the skirts of women and the more loose and playful they are. The worse the financial state, the more conservative women get, hence the longer the skirts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemline_index.

A global depression (forget about the stock exchanges, they are almost purely driven by algos and "printed" money) will not be good for FKK clubs.

Turgid
08-22-20, 00:19
What is the difference, more protein?......................Piss is human waste to be discarded and to be stayed far away from. When you were very very young you were swimming in cum heading towards the egg with billions of competitors.

Pistons
08-22-20, 00:34
That is a smart claim, I always though that lockdown wasnt effective and does more harm than good.

Do you have a solid prove for your claim?Well, mainly drawing it from wallstreeonparade.com and the writings there. Mix that up with the timing of certain events like covid-19. MSM secrecy regarding the repo loan payouts. Global decent of average central bank interest rates, the 2 year rule regarding a drop in central bank interest rates after a rate hike. Gain of function laboratories. US. China geo-politics. The idea that governments usually are in compliance behind the backdrop of MSMs general paradigm, just to keep control of ones own people in order for them to work as slaves. Thus having less worth, or close to no worth at all. Etc etc. And agenda 21 on top of all of that. Even the timing related to the pause between the two S-curves in IT technology related to transistor density now that we are heading into the 3rd dimension coexist nicely with the world and our civilization having a few years time to pause for such a thing as a corona epidemic.

It kinda all falls into place.

Pistons
08-22-20, 00:36
That's total bullshit, you should stop reading conspiracy pages on Facebook.

Or maybe the coronavirus is one wunderwaffe from the nazis on the dark side of the moon?Not Facebook, but read here:

https://wallstreetonparade.com/9426-2/

Mursenary
08-22-20, 01:47
So my initial joke really did go straight past you? Should it really be needed to point jokes out on a forum where I suspect most people are aged 25+?

At least one person got my joke (see Oase thread).

In my eyes, humor is the best indicator of intelligence.

Take this for what its worth also:

https://www.psychologistworld.com/cognitive/black-humor-linked-to-high-intelligence-studyPer this discussion, I'm not sure if you have a correct understanding of the term dark humor as it has not been accurately reflected. Perhaps work on the delivery?

Other measures of intelligence, ability to discuss a subject matter at breadth and knowing intricacies of the subject matter beyond a 3 minute google read before making bold assertions. Also, life achievements, social status, ability to form functional personal relationships I. E. Having friends or perhaps just one.

Mursenary
08-22-20, 02:12
That is a smart claim, I always though that lockdown wasnt effective and does more harm than good.

Do you have a solid prove for your claim?Of course not.

As far as more harm than good, I too was a skeptic at first, but after actually seeing the manifestations of the "mild" disease first hand, I shifted my views. As such, a person's views of the pandemic is understandably formed by their personal experience, which is more often limited by their immediate social surroundings. As a man in his thirties, most of my peer group scoff at the policies regarding the pandemic because they have no personal encounters with the effects of the disease. For them, perhaps it did do more harm than good. As far as society at large, we will never know how bad the death toll would have been without some sort of stay-at-home orders. What we did see is the beginnings of the possible death tolls before lock down measures were implemented. The situations in Milan and NYC provided a glimpse of how bad it could have been. One doctor being in charge of the care of over 50 patients and ICU nurses being in charge of 6-12 patients were patient ratios that could only inevitably end in needless death, which in those cities, it did.

Consider yourselves fortunate to be able to hold the views that you do. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Alessandro527
08-22-20, 05:41
Piss is human waste to be discarded and to be stayed far away from. When you were very very young you were swimming in cum heading towards the egg with billions of competitors.When I do piss in mouth I drink a lot of water before so when it comes out it is crystal clear and has no smell just like water. Girls never complain unless It hits the eye by mistake.

The best is to combine both piss after cum in mouth. To clarify for those who got upset about the FKK girls, I have never done it in such club but with independent escorts. FKK girls don't do such nasty things unless you invite them to your place and throw a lot of money on their face.

BigBuddy69
08-22-20, 06:14
What is the difference, more protein?

I don't say that they are human toilets but most of them do anything for money. If you despise prostitutes, why do you use their services? Because you think that your money gives you the right to do what you want, or because you are a loner who never had a chance with women and people in general?

That's funny, all these guys on this board constantly thrashing working girls and prostitution, and yet spending all of their free time and tons of money with them.

You don't like, don't go and don't write on this forum, that's simple.

Sirioja
08-22-20, 11:17
Just confirmed this week that 85% of reported Corona deaths in Sweden was due to other illnesses than the virus.Yes, old Swedish die because they are old, but faster with virus.

HammerTime96
08-22-20, 14:23
More Covid19 lies to create unwarranted panic: "Hospital admissions for Covid-19 were over-reported at the peak of the pandemic, with patients who were taken in for other illnesses being included in outbreak statistics, it has emerged."

"The key, to me, is the admissions data," he said. "You could have 1,000 people with the infection, but if you have no admissions then you're actually building up a population more able to withstand the virus."

In other words: people are building up resistance to Covid19 in a natural way, but the politicians and media don't want you to know that. They want people scared and crying for a "vaccine" and "a Big Brother surveillance state."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/20/coronavirus-hospital-admissions-inflated-height-pandemic-investigation/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1597958357.

Want to ever visit FKKs again? Then stop believing the propaganda about a "vaccine," and "social distancing" and "Covid tracking apps," and instead have some trust in our normal and natural human immune system. Our immune system has protected us for many 1000 years against viruses and it will also protect us against the mild flu called Covid19!

HammerTime96
08-22-20, 14:26
If rimming is okay for some people, then you really shouldn't be scared of a little virus called Covid19! Hahaha!

Shit smells like shit for a reason: so you don't eat or lick it! Mother Nature designed it that way.

Alessandro527
08-22-20, 14:28
Piss is human waste to be discarded and to be stayed far away from. When you were very very young you were swimming in cum heading towards the egg with billions of competitors.For those wondering you can also check German sites like ladies which girls offer NS passive which means receiving natur sekt.

Of course she doesn't mean champagne haha.

Most of them are active though.

Sirioja
08-22-20, 19:04
More Covid19 lies to create unwarranted panic: "Hospital admissions for Covid-19 were over-reported at the peak of the pandemic, with patients who were taken in for other illnesses being included in outbreak statistics, it has emerged."

"The key, to me, is the admissions data," he said. "You could have 1,000 people with the infection, but if you have no admissions then you're actually building up a population more able to withstand the virus."

In other words: people are building up resistance to Covid19 in a natural way, but the politicians and media don't want you to know that. They want people scared and crying for a "vaccine" and "a Big Brother surveillance state."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/20/coronavirus-hospital-admissions-inflated-height-pandemic-investigation/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1597958357.

Want to ever visit FKKs again? Then stop believing the propaganda about a "vaccine," and "social distancing" and "Covid tracking apps," and instead have some trust in our normal and natural human immune system. Our immune system has protected us for many 1000 years against viruses and it will also protect us against the mild flu called Covid19!Yes, You are right covid, confined and more than 5 hundred thousands deaths are just imagination, just like HIV which is not dangerous, but Germany don t open brothels, but You can go to private Venezia in Saarland, You choose a girl, You go to room with mask, You have sex with mask and You leave the place. New safety for paid sex in Germany. I won't pay for this.

Pistons
08-22-20, 19:24
If rimming is okay for some people, then you really shouldn't be scared of a little virus called Covid19! Hahaha!

Shit smells like shit for a reason: so you don't eat or lick it! Mother Nature designed it that way.How about cat piss?

People with toxoplasma gondii actually might get turned on by it. What if there are similar parasites making you fall in love with German girls shit? Mother nature could just as well created that.

Alessandro527
08-22-20, 19:25
If you despise prostitutes, why do you use their services? Because you think that your money gives you the right to do what you want, or because you are a loner who never had a chance with women and people in general?

That's funny, all these guys on this board constantly thrashing working girls and prostitution, and yet spending all of their free time and tons of money with them.

You don't like, don't go and don't write on this forum, that's simple.I don't despise them, I find very interesting to do what I like with them as long as they agree. I ask what I like they agree and we do it, that's simple.

You want to guess if I am rich or if I am a loner? Ha ha I am none of both, I am very normal who just likes some spicy sex with girls who agree.

I don't know why you got offended, you are their pimp or something? It is just prostitutes who offer services to various men in exchange of money and many of them do anything for that. They sell and I buy so where is the problem? If you don't like my posts just don't read, it's simple.

Pistons
08-22-20, 21:34
Per this discussion, I'm not sure if you have a correct understanding of the term dark humor as it has not been accurately reflected. Perhaps work on the delivery?

Other measures of intelligence, ability to discuss a subject matter at breadth and knowing intricacies of the subject matter beyond a 3 minute google read before making bold assertions. Also, life achievements, social status, ability to form functional personal relationships I. E. Having friends or perhaps just one.You really do seem hurt.

McAdonis
08-23-20, 01:13
As far as more harm than good, I too was a skeptic at first, but after actually seeing the manifestations of the "mild" disease first hand, I shifted my views. As such, a person's views of the pandemic is understandably formed by their personal experience, which is more often limited by their immediate social surroundings.There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?

Mursenary
08-23-20, 06:36
You really do seem hurt.I'll take that as a no to having functional personal relationships.

Turgid
08-23-20, 16:14
......... but You can go to private Venezia in Saarland, You choose a girl, You go to room with mask, You have sex with mask and You leave the place. New safety for paid sex in Germany. I won't pay for this.When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY.

The Cane
08-23-20, 16:26
When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY.Getting naked is under the gun these days so to speak. I won't be returning to the scene unless and until all returns to "normal". That means no social distancing, no masks, and BBBJs. Not going to accept less than that, and prepared to wait it out for as long as it takes. So help me monger gods.

Rocky V
08-23-20, 17:05
When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY.LOL, we are heading down that path!

Mursenary
08-23-20, 18:14
There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?From your descriptions, they all fall under the realm of conspiracy theorists. Healthy skepticism isn't a bad thing, but most of these guys here seem pretty sure of themselves while being convinced of surface level theories.

Intellectually lazy rather than intelligent:

"In terms of cognitive processes, people with stronger conspiracy beliefs are more likely to overestimate the likelihood of co-occurring events, to attribute intentionality where it is unlikely to exist, and to have lower levels of analytic thinking. ".

Makes a person feel special:

"People who believe in conspiracy theories can feel "special," in a positive sense, because they may feel that they are more informed than others about important social and political events. ".

"individual narcissism, or a grandiose idea of the self, is positively related to belief in conspiracy theories. ".

"paranoid thought mediates the relationship between individual narcissism and conspiracy beliefs. ".

"narcissism is positively correlated with need for uniqueness (Emmons, 1984) and here we showed that need for uniqueness is related to conspiracy belief. "

Is often socially isolated with feelings of inadequacy:

"People who feel powerless may also endorse conspiracy theories as they also help the individual avoid blame for their predicament. In this sense, conspiracy theories give a sense of meaning, security and control".

"Due to these individuals feeling alienated from their peers, they may also turn to conspiracist groups for a sense of belonging and community, or to marginalized subcultures. " -side note, participants in this hobby and thus this forum probably also fall under the marginalized subculture group making it more likely that you'll run into the psychological subgroup being discussed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6396711/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886916303221

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-30136-003

I may add that there is a positive correlation between psychological damage and the frequency in which someone is observed to consistently default to conspiracy theories rather than the person who has the one-off entertainment of a conspiracy theory here and there.

Pistons
08-23-20, 19:17
I'll take that as a no to having functional personal relationships.Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.

Pessimist
08-23-20, 19:56
There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.

In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.

Paulie97
08-23-20, 21:00
When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.

In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.Very well stated.

Mursenary
08-23-20, 23:13
Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.Yes, not reading things to completion and thus understanding was already known. No need to reiterate said point.

Mursenary
08-24-20, 06:17
When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a pejorative duck.


In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.In a way, the advent of internet communication hinders a strong democracy. I don't think that western society, on average, has become less informed over the years, how could it? Information is more readily available. The problem is your latter condition, intellectual maturity. Digital communication has created many platforms in which people who share similar agendas can congregate and disseminate information, misinformation, or bias information, thus creating an environment that fosters pack / herd mentality. It's so much easier these days to form factions or coalitions because false information or flawed thought processes can spread so much quicker without being properly vetted. Unfortunately, people seem to quickly grasp to ideas that either quickly align with their prior thought process or in recent discussion here, sexy sounding conspiracy theories that may make one feel special or uniquely enlightened. It's all due to laziness of thought and unwillingness to individually vet the data and form one's own thought process. It has been my experience which is reinforced time and time again, that when intellectually challenged, people will always follow the path that requires the least amount of brainpower and personal reckoning.

Mursenary
08-24-20, 06:27
And selfish. Self sacrifice is not a popular western practice. A little individual inconvenience for a greater common good seems to be asking too much for most western societies, particularly those of the British-American persuasion.

Sirioja
08-24-20, 12:31
When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY.I agree for condom and not only about but of course not to catch HIV because I m sure then I won t be anymore able to climb my mountains, a bit worst than falling in anemia, when exhausting body, and also I don t want a girl come to me and say: I have a little problem here about You. But sex without kissing is no interest for me, so I can t with mask, and also since confined, I increased my level of expectation, I don t want sex, I want much more, I want to dream, so I need beauty and even much more. After yesterday, even she is a elegant beauty, was always lovely with me, and a real pleasure to make her really cum with not the faintest doubt because you can t touch her then, but the prettiest girl at Globe, German but too much at work for me, even really good manners and more interesting than average to talk, despite really enjoyable in bed, but out of sex, she didn't make me dream for first time, and that s not enough for what I look for, have to find a new beauty able to make me dream, and of course with no mask, I enjoy too much oral. Very good point with this German, she uses very thin condom so could really feel inside her and when I finish she keeps me inside of her, I decide when I want to go out, but best pleasure is in my mind. Even a lovely, good mannered, sweet, sophisticated for look and body care beauty, but German at work. Even not same level for look and for sex, but I found Anna. Ro Wellcum more interesting as woman for how she improved for me, despite 2 German orgasmus yesterday.

Turgid
08-24-20, 22:47
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a pejorative duck.

In a way, the advent of internet communication hinders a strong democracy. I don't think that western society, on average, has become less informed over the years, how could it? Information is more readily available. The problem is your latter condition, intellectual maturity. Digital communication has created many platforms in which people who share similar agendas can congregate and disseminate information, misinformation, or bias information, thus creating an environment that fosters pack / herd mentality. It's so much easier these days to form factions or coalitions because false information or flawed thought processes can spread so much quicker without being properly vetted. Unfortunately, people seem to quickly grasp to ideas that either quickly align with their prior thought process or in recent discussion here, sexy sounding conspiracy theories that may make one feel special or uniquely enlightened. It's all due to laziness of thought and unwillingness to individually vet the data and form one's own thought process. It has been my experience which is reinforced time and time again, that when intellectually challenged, people will always follow the path that requires the least amount of brainpower and personal reckoning.In the end all views are subjective. One person's tried and tested theory may be another's conspiracy theory. In the long run what is required is honesty. People who are false and know that they are false are the greatest threat to the world.

Paulie97
08-24-20, 23:11
In the end all views are subjective. One person's tried and tested theory may be another's conspiracy theory. In the long run what is required is honesty. People who are false and know that they are false are the greatest threat to the world.More oppression and carnage in this world has resulted from people who sincerely believed falsehoods than anything else. Looks like you were napping in history class. Also hyper relativism, though a popuar fad at present is horseshit. Objective truth exists, and is commonly found in mathematics, the natural sciences, and in historical facts that can be readily established. There's also other examples.

Those who believe the current Covid conspiracy theories are typically sincere. And they never listen the other side because they are inoculated, are told that those who offer such contrary information are the bad guys.

McAdonis
08-24-20, 23:29
"People who feel powerless may also endorse conspiracy theories as they also help the individual avoid blame for their predicament. In this sense, conspiracy theories give a sense of meaning, security and control".

"Due to these individuals feeling alienated from their peers, they may also turn to conspiracist groups for a sense of belonging and community, or to marginalized subcultures. " -side note, participants in this hobby and thus this forum probably also fall under the marginalized subculture group making it more likely that you'll run into the psychological subgroup being discussed.We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.


And selfish. Self sacrifice is not a popular western practice. A little individual inconvenience for a greater common good seems to be asking too much for most western societies, particularly those of the British-American persuasion.Wouldn't you have to convince the population to agree on a "greater common good" in the first place? British and Americans made sacrifices during WWII. No social media back then.


In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).

People who feel left behind may be more susceptible to radicalisation. Part of this is the fact that wages across the Western world for working class people have been stagnant for decades. Millennials graduated into the financial crisis in 2008 and now they are facing a second economic crisis.


How Many Americans Believe In Conspiracy Theories?

And while 40% of younger Americans believe the true rulers of the world are the superrich, only 24% of older Americans support this view.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/#311300195e94.

Pistons
08-25-20, 00:27
1. The term conspiracy theories was coined by an international pr agency in order to reduce the impact of theories considered harmful for well integrated PR agencies. Who gets paid for their work of course.

2. There is no deep state. Just people doing everything they can in their own field of work to earn as much money as possible.

3. Mursenary is right about one thing. The polarization on the internet. This is called red feed. Blue feed. That term would save you 8 sentences. Phrases and terms like this is very useful and even the usage of terms and phrases in all fields of study is also a rhetorical way of implying an order of knowledge. And psychologically most people buy into this. Thus another very important thing in the pr industry is to always coin new phrases and terms.

4. Everything you read is subjective ideas from some random point of view. Especially news reports due to the choices they make in picking the news, and rewriting it before publishing it.

5. Red feed. Blue feed is as much a result of monetization and internet algorithms as much as smaller islands of individuals finding like-minded on a large WWW.

6. The internet is an evolution humanity would have go through inevitably anyway. And the ironing out of democracy in our new information age is not a sign of deterioration, but of a new paradigm where information is free. Lack of humanity's education level is however the one big obstacle. Because right now, most, if not all people in this world is not smart enough to evaluate everything we read or hear in this new way of life.

7. Selfishness and lack of abundance due to capitalism is the base problem causing people to lie in order to get an upper hand. Machiavellian ideas are just a result of such. (How the prince can fool his people). Besides Niccolo Machiavelli is a pronounced author and one of the most important names within political statehood, and that field of study. So if anyone believes there are no such policies in this world, then good lord they don't know much!

Pessimist
08-25-20, 02:41
We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.


Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).

People who feel left behind may be more susceptible to radicalisation. Part of this is the fact that wages across the Western world for working class people have been stagnant for decades. Millennials graduated into the financial crisis in 2008 and now they are facing a second economic crisis."But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage".

There is NO righteous path or a wrong path. It is a personal choice. How is a personal choice about sex life supposed to indicate anything Re: enlightenment of that person? That is one kooky theory. Not that you advocated it. I am married and it works for me in some ways; I am cheating and it is my personal choice. I don't claim to be enlightened or depraved or whatever, and my choice is none of any other people's business either. Just like what other mongers or even non-mongers do in their life is not my concern.

Mongers are definitely not marginalized. That is just a victimhood complex, I guess these days everyone wants to imagine himself as a victim. First of all if someone is able to monger consistently, it indicates that man has sufficient economic means. Hardly a sign of a marginalized person in society. Secondly, yeah, you can't have everything you want in life. A country definitely has a right to compose and enforce its own laws, including laws on prostitution. If you are a citizen and those laws suck for you, as they do for me in my homeland of US, tough luck. Could be much worse. I could be a Chinese dood and not have many personal freedoms, A Uighur and not able to walk across the street w / o being tracked by the Commie Chinese govt or a woman born in a Moslem nation like Afghanistan / Saudi Arabia / Pakistan Etc. Now, THOSE are marginalized. Not a man with a good job in the western societies plush with Enough cash to fuck 6 girls per night in Oase.

As for internet and radicalization, etc. Internet and social media may be amplifying and accelerating some trends but if one is so easily inclined to readily subscribe to crazy conspiracy theories, I would not be rationalizing their craziness by blaming it on technology. This goes back to the victimhood complex, or others wanting to see victims when there are only crazies. For instance, this QAnon stuff. Apparently a whole bunch of people believe a guy called Q will come up as a messiah and clean up this world. This bunch also believes some really weird stuff per media reports, including that Bill Gates is a vampire And drinks children's blood or that Bill Gates wants to put a chip in everybody and control them and so on. Occasionally, I see one of these guys even post in WSJ comments, and it is a publication where the average subscriber has an annual income of $160,000. Hardly someone that you would call marginalized or left behind. My point: if someone is crazy enough to jettison common sense and a rational brain and subscribe to obviously outlandish and bizarre ideas, it is because that person is crazy and not because of technology or this and that.

P.S. Thank you very much, Mr. Paulie97.

Mursenary
08-25-20, 05:41
We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.

Wouldn't you have to convince the population to agree on a "greater common good" in the first place? British and Americans made sacrifices during WWII. No social media back then.

Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).
Well you are right in that mongering is not marginalized as it was never in the boundary of play to begin with. Being a marginalized subculture requires a nominal degree of mainstream acceptance. In our present culture, mongering is outright excluded from the get-go. For most, mongering is not a subculture, but for people who post on these forums frequently, it is on the fringe of a subculture in their (our) own realities.

In the past, British-American (western) causes were cemented into mainstream culture perhaps due to lack of a plurality of dissenting positions.

Turgid
08-25-20, 14:58
More oppression and carnage in this world has resulted from people who sincerely believed falsehoods than anything else. Looks like you were napping in history class. Also hyper relativism, though a popuar fad at present is horseshit. Objective truth exists, and is commonly found in mathematics, the natural sciences, and in historical facts that can be readily established. There's also other examples.

Those who believe the current Covid conspiracy theories are typically sincere. And they never listen the other side because they are inoculated, are told that those who offer such contrary information are the bad guys.If you do at all you must not just read the history books, you must think. People who caused the greatest destruction in the world did it out of greed and / or lust for power. Their utterances were concocted to achieve their ends, they did not actually believe what they were saying. Do not digress, we are not talking about mathematics and science, we are talking about history, or perhaps you learnt world history in mathematics class. So called objective truth regarding human behavior is subjective opinion.

Pistons
08-25-20, 18:19
https://youtu.be/PZP16RxSvWE

1:46.

Mursenary
08-25-20, 21:14
If you do at all you must not just read the history books, you must think. People who caused the greatest destruction in the world did it out of greed and / or lust for power. Their utterances were concocted to achieve their ends, they did not actually believe what they were saying. Do not digress, we are not talking about mathematics and science, we are talking about history, or perhaps you learnt world history in mathematics class. So called objective truth regarding human behavior is subjective opinion.I believe that you are speaking about the leaders while the previous poster had the followers in mind. The oligarchies and autocratic figures throughout history probably knew better but the fools that follow them probably actually believed the bogus conspiracy theories. What's happening in America at the moment is a prime example, 1930's Germany another. It's just more reinforcement that the masses are bored and intellectually lazy which makes them proned to be sold these crockpot theories.

Mursenary
08-25-20, 22:08
As for internet and radicalization, etc. Internet and social media may be amplifying and accelerating some trends but if one is so easily inclined to readily subscribe to crazy conspiracy theories, I would not be rationalizing their craziness by blaming it on technology. This goes back to the victimhood complex, or others wanting to see victims when there are only crazies. For instance, this QAnon stuff. Apparently a whole bunch of people believe a guy called Q will come up as a messiah and clean up this world. This bunch also believes some really weird stuff per media reports, including that Bill Gates is a vampire And drinks children's blood or that Bill Gates wants to put a chip in everybody and control them and so on. Occasionally, I see one of these guys even post in WSJ comments, and it is a publication where the average subscriber has an annual income of $160,000. Hardly someone that you would call marginalized or left behind. My point: if someone is crazy enough to jettison common sense and a rational brain and subscribe to obviously outlandish and bizarre ideas, it is because that person is crazy and not because of technology or this and that.I think you are underestimating the power of herd mentality. Like I keep saying, most people are intellectually lazy and even when things do not make logical sense, they will fall in line. Most people think prostitution is wrong, calling the girl a victim, we know this is more often not the case. Nazis scapegoated all Jews, we know that the average Jew had no part in the economics state of 1920's Germany. Most Trumpers, prostitution opponents, 1930's Germans are / were not crazy. Yet, herd mentality allows bullshit beliefs to propagate. Digital technology just makes it that much easier.

Pessimist
08-26-20, 03:24
I think you are underestimating the power of herd mentality. Like I keep saying, most people are intellectually lazy and even when things do not make logical sense, they will fall in line. Most people think prostitution is wrong, calling the girl a victim, we know this is more often not the case. Nazis scapegoated all Jews, we know that the average Jew had no part in the economics state of 1920's Germany. Most Trumpers, prostitution opponents, 1930's Germans are / were not crazy. Yet, herd mentality allows bullshit beliefs to propagate. Digital technology just makes it that much easier.Before social media there was talk radio. I am not minimizing the power of internet in exerting influence on people, but we are talking about conspiracy theories which by definition are extreme views and in my view the people inclined to subscribe to conspiracy theories on a constant basis are already somewhat kooky and congregate with like minded people on social forums. BTW, I don't think you meant it that way, but there is not sufficient equivalence between Nazis and their enablers in 1930's, Trumpers or trump voters, and people against prostitution. Nazis were just monsters, we all know. Trump voters were almost 50% of US and even if you don't agree with them, can't say that 50% of this country is super extreme. Well you can say it, but they would say the same about you / me, and then it descends into an endless squabble. Roughly half the people I know in my personal and professional life are GOPers or Dems, and if I set their political views aside, all of them are not any different from normal. Finally, people can have a lot of reasons to be against prostitution. Yes, I partake in paid sex and I reject their views, but they are entitled to their views. Also, some girls could very well be victims. I occasionally read vague references to lover boys, pimps and other stuff on this site itself. Who knows the complete truth. I know I don't. My view on this is a bit like I enjoy my steak but don't want the cow slaughtered in front of me.

McAdonis
08-26-20, 04:08
I think you are underestimating the power of herd mentality. Like I keep saying, most people are intellectually lazy and even when things do not make logical sense, they will fall in line. Most people think prostitution is wrong, calling the girl a victim, we know this is more often not the case. Nazis scapegoated all Jews, we know that the average Jew had no part in the economics state of 1920's Germany. Most Trumpers, prostitution opponents, 1930's Germans are / were not crazy. Yet, herd mentality allows bullshit beliefs to propagate. Digital technology just makes it that much easier.I would say confirmation bias weighs more heavily than intellectual laziness. If someone is emotionally invested, they seek out only evidence that corroborates their beliefs, and discard the rest. Therefore two people can look at the same evidence, and arrive at different conclusions (we even see this even in the clubs). Here is a story about 68 yo physics professor who met a Czech bikini model (or more accurately some scammer posing as a Bikini model) who got duped into being a drug mule. Even while he sat in prison, he still clung to hope that this would "all be sorted out" and that he and his bikini model girlfriend, who he never met, could finally be together. As you touched on in one of your previous posts, his delusion was partly based on the need to "feel special". This caused him to have a tenuous grip on reality:


"A total of three psychological evaluations were presented at the trial, and two agreed that he had the traits of a narcissistic personality an overblown and unrealistic image of himself. One concluded that it did not constitute a pathology, while the other suggested that there were pathological aspects to his narcissism that led to gaps in his understanding of reality."

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/magazine/the-professor-the-bikini-model-and-the-suitcase-full-of-trouble.htmlAn American psychologist administered IQ tests to the twenty or so defendants at the Nuremberg trial. The average score was about two standard deviations higher than average. I suppose someone could be be intellectually gifted and lazy with regard to educating themselves on specific issues, but I tend to believe that there were other reasons. Also, I think there are situations where it is permissible to be intellectually lazy. For example, Hitler, who most would consider a narcissist, overestimated his own abilities as a military strategist. If he had deferred to the experts and the advice of his field marshalls, perhaps Germany would have won the war.

Mursenary
08-26-20, 18:41
Before social media there was talk radio. I am not minimizing the power of internet in exerting influence on people, but we are talking about conspiracy theories which by definition are extreme views and in my view the people inclined to subscribe to conspiracy theories on a constant basis are already somewhat kooky and congregate with like minded people on social forums. BTW, I don't think you meant it that way, but there is not sufficient equivalence between Nazis and their enablers in 1930's, Trumpers or trump voters, and people against prostitution. Nazis were just monsters, we all know. Trump voters were almost 50% of US and even if you don't agree with them, can't say that 50% of this country is super extreme. Well you can say it, but they would say the same about you / me, and then it descends into an endless squabble. Roughly half the people I know in my personal and professional life are GOPers or Dems, and if I set their political views aside, all of them are not any different from normal. Finally, people can have a lot of reasons to be against prostitution. Yes, I partake in paid sex and I reject their views, but they are entitled to their views. Also, some girls could very well be victims. I occasionally read vague references to lover boys, pimps and other stuff on this site itself. Who knows the complete truth. I know I don't. My view on this is a bit like I enjoy my steak but don't want the cow slaughtered in front of me.I think internet platforms are a league up from talk radio as it lets the user more easily actively participate. That makes it even easier for people to subscribe to off the wall ideas. Grandmas and bored housewives can scroll a facebook feed, see some propaganda video, see real people commenting, and believe that there is a real significant community that gives credence to whatever message. It's a positive feedback loop.

Not all Trumpers are conspiracy theorists, but hell yes I am comparing Trumpers to Nazi enablers.

Mursenary
08-26-20, 18:55
I would say confirmation bias weighs more heavily than intellectual laziness. If someone is emotionally invested, they seek out only evidence that corroborates their beliefs, and discard the rest. Therefore two people can look at the same evidence, and arrive at different conclusions (we even see this even in the clubs). Here is a story about 68 yo physics professor who met a Czech bikini model (or more accurately some scammer posing as a Bikini model) who got duped into being a drug mule. Even while he sat in prison, he still clung to hope that this would "all be sorted out" and that he and his bikini model girlfriend, who he never met, could finally be together. As you touched on in one of your previous posts, his delusion was partly based on the need to "feel special". This caused him to have a tenuous grip on reality:

An American psychologist administered IQ tests to the twenty or so defendants at the Nuremberg trial. The average score was about two standard deviations higher than average. I suppose someone could be be intellectually gifted and lazy with regard to educating themselves on specific issues, but I tend to believe that there were other reasons. Also, I think there are situations where it is permissible to be intellectually lazy. For example, Hitler, who most would consider a narcissist, overestimated his own abilities as a military strategist. If he had deferred to the experts and the advice of his field marshalls, perhaps Germany would have won the war.Yeah, I think I used the term personal reckoning, or lack thereof, which is along the same line as confirmation bias.

Not sure we should use your Hitler example as example for being intellectually lazy. His actions were clouded in pride and narcissism rather than an example of using intelligence. The intelligent thing to do would have been to defer people with more expertise, not sure that would be a case of green lighting intellectual laziness. But yes, you don't have to be "on" all the time. I certainly am not.

Pistons
08-27-20, 00:13
I am almost starting to believe that the spike in corona virus cases in Germany is a hoax too these days.

Take for instance the outbreak at the slaughter house in Bielefeld. Well, as it apparently goes, Bielefeld does not even exist.

Look at it this way:

1. Do you know anyone from Bielefeld?

2. Have you ever been to Bielefeld?

3. Do you know anyone who has ever been to Bielefeld?

Sirioja
08-27-20, 08:06
I am almost starting to believe that the spike in corona virus cases in Germany is a hoax too these days.

Take for instance the outbreak at the slaughter house in Bielefeld. Well, as it apparently goes, Bielefeld does not even exist.

Look at it this way:

1. Do you know anyone from Bielefeld?

2. Have you ever been to Bielefeld?

3. Do you know anyone who has ever been to Bielefeld?Armania Bielefeld played Bundesliga 1 few years ago.

HammerTime96
08-27-20, 11:50
I am almost starting to believe that the spike in corona virus cases in Germany is a hoax too these days.

Take for instance the outbreak at the slaughter house in Bielefeld. Well, as it apparently goes, Bielefeld does not even exist.

Look at it this way:

1. Do you know anyone from Bielefeld?

2. Have you ever been to Bielefeld?

3. Do you know anyone who has ever been to Bielefeld?Hehe, yes, the classic German joke about "on the highway there is only an exit sign for Bielefeld, but the city itself doesn't exist."

Through friends, family and colleagues, I know a couple of people who have recently been tested positive but all have zero! Symptoms, yet they set a crazy chain of events in motion that requires more friends, family and colleagues to also be tested. Everybody else tested negative, so that leaves a lot of questions with regards to all those "thousands of positive cases" that you hear and read about daily in the European media.

But nobody is allowed to question the authorities, and even fundamental democratic rights (the right to protest and assembly) are suspended in this 'democratic' European Union, as Berlin bans any protests of people who question the government response: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-bans-large-weekend-protests-against-coronavirus-restrictions-citing-health-grounds/a-54709887.

Meanwhile, the European propaganda mainstream media and politicians are crying about "dictator Lukashenko" in Belarus, while their own governments are effectively doing the same at home.

Is anybody here still naive enough to think that FKK clubs are opening this year? Even if Artemis opens on the 1st of September, you better enjoy it quickly, because I don't think it will not take long before it will be forced to close again "because of positive cases."

When you confront these Covid Fanatics with the statistics from Sweden without lockdown or masks, all you hear is silence because it doesn't fit their totalitarian lockdown and "we need a vaccine" narrative. Nobody can or wants to explain why Sweden scores better than Spain, UK, Italy or Belgium:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

Europe has a long history of fascist and communist dictatorships (Germany, Spain, Italy, communist Eastern Europe) and is the kind of Covid Dictatorship that will develop: a Spanish police officer without a mask is hitting girls for not properly wearing their masks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fILTX9jM114.

Don't be naive to say: "it can not happen again."

Turgid
08-27-20, 14:24
I believe that you are speaking about the leaders while the previous poster had the followers in mind. The oligarchies and autocratic figures throughout history probably knew better but the fools that follow them probably actually believed the bogus conspiracy theories. What's happening in America at the moment is a prime example, 1930's Germany another. It's just more reinforcement that the masses are bored and intellectually lazy which makes them proned to be sold these crockpot theories.The leaders are deceitful but the masses who follow them have their biases. Those who are unbiased will not go along. A biased person knows he is wrong and becomes proactive upon being encouraged. Fascists and the like play on people's prejudice.

Downandup
08-27-20, 19:29
Armania Bielefeld played Bundesliga 1 few years ago.It's a German joke from the start of the internet, look up the Bielefeld conspiracy for the story. Even Angela Merkel got into it by saying that she thought that she had been there.

Pistons
08-27-20, 21:33
It's a German joke from the start of the internet, look up the Bielefeld conspiracy for the story. Even Angela Merkel got into it by saying that she thought that she had been there.Hehe, well as the story goes, map makers do add all these fake names and locations in order to avoid getting copied. So its a great joke. But shouldn't have to explain jokes. That's boring. Rather just tag along. On the same note, flat earth is also mainly a joke. And so are plenty of other conspiracy theories. Realizing which ones are jokes, and which ones are not jokes might be hard for some people. But whatever?

Mursenary
08-27-20, 23:21
Is anybody here still naive enough to think that FKK clubs are opening this year? Even if Artemis opens on the 1st of September, you better enjoy it quickly, because I don't think it will not take long before it will be forced to close again "because of positive cases."

When you confront these Covid Fanatics with the statistics from Sweden without lockdown or masks, all you hear is silence because it doesn't fit their totalitarian lockdown and "we need a vaccine" narrative. Nobody can or wants to explain why Sweden scores better than Spain, UK, Italy or Belgium:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/.Post is kinda already defeated before he even brought up the question as FKKs are already open in Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, and the lone club in Czech.

Try comparing Sweden's numbers to their cultural and geographic peers. 500 deaths per million versus 50 in Denmark, Finland, and Norway.

Like I said, western culture breeds selfishness especially when people refuse to see passed 6 feet in front of them.

Mursenary
08-27-20, 23:54
Hehe, well as the story goes, map makers do add all these fake names and locations in order to avoid getting copied. So its a great joke. But shouldn't have to explain jokes. That's boring. Rather just tag along. On the same note, flat earth is also mainly a joke. And so are plenty of other conspiracy theories. Realizing which ones are jokes, and which ones are not jokes might be hard for some people. But whatever?Poor delivery is often the downfall of many would-be good jokes.

BigBuddy69
08-28-20, 07:20
I don't understand the Swedish fan boys here. As Mursenary said, there have been ten times more deaths in Sweden than in Norway or Finland, the neighbor countries which enforced a lockdown during the peak of the epidemy. Even your government says that they should have handled things differently. Do they brainwash you in Sweden?

ExpatLover
08-28-20, 07:37
EL: yes there is full employment for native christian or European candidates. For immigrants there is often a language and cultural gap with make the things more difficult. I can tell you if you are cook, salesman, nurse, auto mechanic, electrician, carpenter, truck driver. You find easily a job in few days. Like every where if you don t speak the local language, you don t adapt to the local habits it is a hard to integrate in any country. It will be very difficult for you to find Asian unemployed people in Germany.

Pistons
08-28-20, 10:40
Poor delivery is often the downfall of many would-be good jokes.Well,

1. Jokes in writing is hardly delivered.

2. Unintelligent people always bring up this excuse.

3. When a joke has been good for over 20 years, it is still good even when copied word by word.

Rocky V
08-28-20, 11:31
So you say there is full employment for Germans.
It depends on how you define employment. In many countries (I'm not sure about Germany though!) if you work 1 h / week, you are considered in employment.

Callypb
08-28-20, 12:27
Post is kinda already defeated before he even brought up the question as FKKs are already open in Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, and the lone club in Czech.

Try comparing Sweden's numbers to their cultural and geographic peers. 500 deaths per million versus 50 in Denmark, Finland, and Norway.

Like I said, western culture breeds selfishness especially when people refuse to see passed 6 feet in front of them.And than add those countries changes in GNP to the analysis. And then start examining excess mortality. True a lot of people died from covid in Sweden, but those people would have died from other causes in a few months time.

We are not talking about saving lives with all these actions, we're talking about postponing death a few months or years for people. That are already dying. For what? So we can look back proudly and say "yes, we burnt the economy to the ground, but look at all the people we saved from dying of covid. Sure they are dead now, but we gave them an extra year to live".

Chongmal
08-28-20, 12:42
Hehe, well as the story goes, map makers do add all these fake names and locations in order to avoid getting copied. So its a great joke. But shouldn't have to explain jokes. That's boring. Rather just tag along. On the same note, flat earth is also mainly a joke. And so are plenty of other conspiracy theories. Realizing which ones are jokes, and which ones are not jokes might be hard for some people. But whatever?Insert South Park episode here. I will be nice and not mention the Funnybot. https://youtu.be/ASfaSCmZiLQ.

Oregon97
08-28-20, 17:49
Post is kinda already defeated before he even brought up the question as FKKs are already open in Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, and the lone club in Czech.

Try comparing Sweden's numbers to their cultural and geographic peers. 500 deaths per million versus 50 in Denmark, Finland, and Norway.

Like I said, western culture breeds selfishness especially when people refuse to see passed 6 feet in front of them.Haha, "cultural and geographical peers". You have no idea what you are talking about. Massive difference between those countries in terms of definition of CV19 deaths, population density, demographics, health status, immigration numbers, which all have a huge impact on the statistics. It is all a big totalitarian power grab from the politicians.