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Mursenary
08-28-20, 18:35
Well,

1. Jokes in writing is hardly delivered.

2. Unintelligent people always bring up this excuse.

3. When a joke has been good for over 20 years, it is still good even when copied word by word.My postal mail gets delivered. It's usually something in writing. I understand that English is a difficult language to master when it's learned as a second language so a pass may be given. I think a joke that originated in Germany has a slim chance of being considered good.

The most intelligent people I know don't work replaceable desk jobs for a 5 figure salary. They're either helping people, doing something creative, or at the very least bringing home a respectable paycheck. LOL.

Mursenary
08-28-20, 18:36
Insert South Park episode here. I will be nice and not mention the Funnybot. https://youtu.be/ASfaSCmZiLQ.My thoughts exactly.

Pessimist
08-28-20, 18:47
I don't understand the Swedish fan boys here. As Mursenary said, there have been ten times more deaths in Sweden than in Norway or Finland, the neighbor countries which enforced a lockdown during the peak of the epidemy. Even your government says that they should have handled things differently. Do they brainwash you in Sweden?In the US political and cultural wars in which Covid finds itself now, Sweden has been weirdly coopted by the Trump base. Just as they had coopted Brexit or the election of Marine LE Pen or even Victor Orban as one of their own, Sweden has become a cause celebre to Trump base due to their stance on opening and other issues. I am not going to sit here and judge whether Sweden did the right thing or not but I doubt that becoming a champion in fraternity and solidarity to the trump base is what the good Swedes had in mind. Hitherto if any one had celebrated Sweden in US it was mostly the liberals that did, pointing to Swedish and Scandi welfare societies as role models. Paul Krugman for example. I am sure Swedes are saying to Americans "leave us alone" LOL.

Mursenary
08-28-20, 18:57
Haha, "cultural and geographical peers". You have no idea what you are talking about. Massive difference between those countries in terms of definition of CV19 deaths, population density, demographics, health status, immigration numbers, which all have a huge impact on the statistics. It is all a big totalitarian power grab from the politicians.While perhaps those factors may explain some of the death rate differences between with Finland and Norway; not so sure Denmark has a significantly worse health status, more immigration, or lower population density which would have to be true to back your claims. As such, Denmark's deaths per million is around 100 to nearly 600 per million in Sweden.

Yes, a totalitarian power grab collaborated by every single world democracy in the world along with 90% of medical and public health professionals too.

Mursenary
08-28-20, 19:12
And than add those countries changes in GNP to the analysis. And then start examining excess mortality. True a lot of people died from covid in Sweden, but those people would have died from other causes in a few months time.

We are not talking about saving lives with all these actions, we're talking about postponing death a few months or years for people. That are already dying. For what? So we can look back proudly and say "yes, we burnt the economy to the ground, but look at all the people we saved from dying of covid. Sure they are dead now, but we gave them an extra year to live".Excess deaths in Sweden is double that of Finland and Denmark during these past 6 months.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

At the same time, let's be honest, Sweden may not have had an official government mandated lockdown but they did implement social distancing measures including mass efforts to work from home, 50 person gathering limitations were implemented, high schools students learned from home.

What's admirable is the people's self-imposed social distancing measures as seen in the reduction of leisure travel. Most nations in the world could not have expected their citizenry to do the same. No way you get Latin countries and the USA to be so disciplined without legislation.

". Swedes appear to be following such guidelines without the need for legislation. Trips from Stockholm to Gotland -- a popular vacation destination -- dropped by 96% over the Easter weekend, according to data from the country's largest mobile operator, Telia Company. And online service Citymapper's statistics indicate an almost 75% drop in mobility in the capital."

Sirioja
08-28-20, 20:02
EL: yes there is full employment for native christian or European candidates. For immigrants there is often a language and cultural gap with make the things more difficult. I can tell you if you are cook, salesman, nurse, auto mechanic, electrician, carpenter, truck driver. You find easily a job in few days. Like every where if you don t speak the local language, you don t adapt to the local habits it is a hard to integrate in any country. It will be very difficult for you to find Asian unemployed people in Germany.Are you so sure in deep East part, in Chemnitz, Zwickau, Magdebourg and around. And in deep Rhur?

Pistons
08-28-20, 21:24
While perhaps those factors may explain some of the death rate differences between with Finland and Norway; not so sure Denmark has a significantly worse health status, more immigration, or lower population density which would have to be true to back your claims. As such, Denmark's deaths per million is around 100 to nearly 600 per million in Sweden.

Yes, a totalitarian power grab collaborated by every single world democracy in the world along with 90% of medical and public health professionals too.When it comes to immigration among the 4 countries, Sweden has by far the most. Next up is Norway. Then Denmark. Then Finland. This is per capita based.

Covid cases in immigrant environments who does not read the news, and have their own society within the larger society (tribalists) have been shown to be far higher than among the native population. Especially in the larger Swedish cities such as Stockholm, Götenborg, Malmö, Oslo in Norway and Copenhagen in Denmark.

The health system in all 4 countries are about the same. And economic conditions is not a factor considering it is practically free.

But some legislation have differed. Mainly Sweden on one side and the 3 others on the other side. Even in Norway / Denmark / Finland, 99% has never use a face mask. But social distancing and a high degree of tracing the infected has kept the numbers low. This investigative work is the main reason the numbers are so low. And apps have been used in order to trace movements. But also these apps have not been used by tribalist immigrants. Especially from Somalia, but also from some Middle Eastern countries, and a few other Asian and African countries.

Mursenary
08-29-20, 04:41
When it comes to immigration among the 4 countries, Sweden has by far the most. Next up is Norway. Then Denmark. Then Finland. This is per capita based.

Covid cases in immigrant environments who does not read the news, and have their own society within the larger society (tribalists) have been shown to be far higher than among the native population. Especially in the larger Swedish cities such as Stockholm, Gtenborg, Malm, Oslo in Norway and Copenhagen in Denmark.
16.7% immigrants in Sweden versus 14.2% in Norway. I would hardly call that "by far the most. " Definitely not enough to explain the 11 fold difference in death rate and 4 x difference in infection rate.

Sweden.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/immigration-statistics

Total:10 mil, Immigrant: 1. 6 m, 16.8%.

Norway.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NOR/norway/immigration-statistics

Total: 5 mil, Immigrant: 744 K, 14.2%.

Point to the OP, all else being the same, only difference between Sweden and other Scandinavian countries would be the official lock down measures. And it's not as if they didn't restrict movement. Secondary schools were shut, work from home was encouraged, domestic travel restrictions were enforced, large gatherings were banned. Sweden is not the shining light of non-lockdown intervention that you make it out to be.

ExpatLover
08-29-20, 06:32
Are you so sure in deep East part, in Chemnitz, Zwickau, Magdebourg and around. And in deep Rhur?

EL, of course, you as a french guy, you know the situation, what is the employment rate in Neuilly, versus 93,94, I let you make a parallel with the immigration % in the different places, do you know the employment rate in Hungary, today in France it is impossible to get figures like % of jailed people with migration background, % of unemployment in the population with migration background. It is like asking a doctor to help you but you don t let him do any blood analysis. For me first we have to get the datas after that obviously not telling the people to leave but to work together an action plan with each individual to build him a future and not let them sell drugs and probably ending in jail or even worse be killed what is happening in France every day.

ExpatLover
08-29-20, 06:46
When it comes to immigration among the 4 countries, Sweden has by far the most. Next up is Norway. Then Denmark. Then Finland. This is per capita based.

Covid cases in immigrant environments who does not read the news, and have their own society within the larger society (tribalists) have been shown to be far higher than among the native population. Especially in the larger Swedish cities such as Stockholm, Gtenborg, Malm, Oslo in Norway and Copenhagen in Denmark.

The health system in all 4 countries are about the same. And economic conditions is not a factor considering it is practically free.

But some legislation have differed. Mainly Sweden on one side and the 3 others on the other side. Even in Norway / Denmark / Finland, 99% has never use a face mask. But social distancing and a high degree of tracing the infected has kept the numbers low. This investigative work is the main reason the numbers are so low. And apps have been used in order to trace movements. But also these apps have not been used by tribalist immigrants. Especially from Somalia, but also from some Middle Eastern countries, and a few other Asian and African countries.

EL: and what about Hungary which is consider as a poor country compare to the 4 you mentioned, 10 M, 6000 cases, 600 deaths, not so bad. The problem is not the app but also the mentality, and this is very hard to change. I don t know which Asian people you are thinking about, probably from Japan and south Korea))) In Hungary, there is a big Chinese and Thai community, also the biggest synagogue in the world is in Budapest, a big area around is occupied by Jewish people, all this in a very peaceful manner without any tension, never any terror attack, the Jewish don t want to leave like what happen in France, just the Hungarian Gouvernement is doing is job by protecting the citizen.

Sirioja
08-29-20, 09:13
When it comes to immigration among the 4 countries, Sweden has by far the most. Next up is Norway. Then Denmark. Then Finland. This is per capita based.

Covid cases in immigrant environments who does not read the news, and have their own society within the larger society (tribalists) have been shown to be far higher than among the native population. Especially in the larger Swedish cities such as Stockholm, Gtenborg, Malm, Oslo in Norway and Copenhagen in Denmark.

The health system in all 4 countries are about the same. And economic conditions is not a factor considering it is practically free.

But some legislation have differed. Mainly Sweden on one side and the 3 others on the other side. Even in Norway / Denmark / Finland, 99% has never use a face mask. But social distancing and a high degree of tracing the infected has kept the numbers low. This investigative work is the main reason the numbers are so low. And apps have been used in order to trace movements. But also these apps have not been used by tribalist immigrants. Especially from Somalia, but also from some Middle Eastern countries, and a few other Asian and African countries.But, deciding not to protect them, many old people died in Stockholm. Maybe Swedish don't like their grandmothers and grandfathers except Santa Claus, when Spanish and Italians love them and often live close to them. Nevertheless, Sweden have very high death rate for a country with very low population density, higher rate than in France where we all think we had much too many deaths from virus, even 90% were older than 65. And now, in our 2 biggest cities: Paris and Marseille, mask is compulsory in all public places, because we think we already had enough deaths. W

BigBuddy69
08-29-20, 10:19
According to the international labor office, if you have been working one hour during the week, you're not unemployed.

And this definition is widely used, every time there are international comparisons.

McAdonis
08-29-20, 13:25
Yes, a totalitarian power grab collaborated by every single world democracy in the world along with 90% of medical and public health professionals too.Even pre-dating pandemic, trust in the government is not particularly high. Conspiracy theorists must reason that the global elite are able to bribe the leading authorities in the scientific and medical community (like a Anthony Fauci). That in conjunction with using mainstream media allows them to brainwash the population. They probably also believe that the majority of the scientific and medical community is not in on this ruse, they are just merely sheep that are blindly following the Faucis of the world.

Here is an infographic I found interesting. It traces the levels of distrust with government by country. Among nations surveyed, France and USA show up at the bottom with 33 percent. Given the amount of protests, France's appearance at the bottom of the list is not terribly surprising. What is a bit surprising is that the level of trust increased in France between 2017 and 2018 by 9 percent, whereas in the USA, it decreased by 14 percent over the same time period. Do low levels of distrust in institutions allow conspiracy theories to flourish more easily? https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/01/22/the-countries-that-trust-their-government-most-and-least-infographic/.

Amongst millennials, widespread levels of distrust, in media, big business, federal government.


It has spawned widespread distrust, both in organisations and individuals. A Pew study in 2014 found that only 19 per cent of millennials believed that others could be trusted, compared with 40 per cent of boomers and 31 per cent of the generation Xers born between 1965 and 1980. Millennial faith in institutions is also low. This generation is incredibly sceptical of governments and big corporations, says Keith Niedermeier, professor at the Wharton business school.

Malcolm Harris, author of Kids These Days, a book about why it sucks to have been born between 1980 and 2000, says distrust is only natural among a generation that has to struggle for security. If competition is the main feature of your world, you would be a fool to find people trustworthy, he says. The preference for local, organic and craft products is also logical, in his view: You want to be part of a circle of production and consumption that is not centred on enriching the 1 percent.

https://www.ft.com/content/194cd1c8-6583-11e8-a39d-4df188287fff.Above article also touches on how millennials consume media vastly different to previous generations. Beauty and fashion influencers are able to reach, connect, and resonate with wider, more fragmented audiences. The leaders of conspiracy movements I would categorize as just a different type of influencer.

Turgid
08-29-20, 14:09
Well it has finally happened to me. A hooker came to my place yesterday and insisted that she keep the mask on during sex. When she arrived she took it off for me to see her face. Trouble is she is facially the best looking hooker I have met here since I arrived from Germany in March. Her body, though, is not all that. I asked her what about BJ to which she responded that she will take if off for that but put it on during sex. Definitely no DFK which is the norm here. Refusing her would have meant no sex until today since meeting hookers is by an appointment system which is rather lengthy. So bang her I did. The sex itself was very good and I banged her feverishly in all positions to compensate for the wearing of the mask. I have not banged so hard in a long time. Trouble was, I could not come.

Sirioja
08-29-20, 14:36
Well it has finally happened to me. A hooker came to my place yesterday and insisted that she keep the mask on during sex. When she arrived she took it off for me to see her face. Trouble is she is facially the best looking hooker I have met here since I arrived from Germany in March. Her body, though, is not all that. I asked her what about BJ to which she responded that she will take if off for that but put it on during sex. Definitely no DFK which is the norm here. Refusing her would have meant no sex until today since meeting hookers is by an appointment system which is rather lengthy. So bang her I did. The sex itself was very good and I banged her feverishly in all positions to compensate for the wearing of the mask. I have not banged so hard in a long time. Trouble was, I could not come.Incredible to have mask sex. How much did you pay for such level of sex?

ExpatLover
08-29-20, 14:41
EL: sorry but what is the interest to have sex and pay for it if you can't come?

Pute Nut
08-29-20, 15:10
We are not talking about saving lives with all these actions, we're talking about postponing death a few months or years for people. That are already dying. For what? So we can look back proudly and say "yes, we burnt the economy to the ground, but look at all the people we saved from dying of covid. Sure they are dead now, but we gave them an extra year to live".There's no major difference in economic outcome between the Nordics. In fact Sweden suffers more remaining restrictions because of its sloppy initial handling. Case in point, gatherings of 500 are now allowed in Finland because of the stellar suppression strategy. The Swedes do not dare to raise it above 50 yet. Sweden just killed off 10 x more people while experimenting with "herd immunity".

Pessimist
08-29-20, 15:38
Well it has finally happened to me. A hooker came to my place yesterday and insisted that she keep the mask on during sex. When she arrived she took it off for me to see her face. Trouble is she is facially the best looking hooker I have met here since I arrived from Germany in March. Her body, though, is not all that. I asked her what about BJ to which she responded that she will take if off for that but put it on during sex. Definitely no DFK which is the norm here. Refusing her would have meant no sex until today since meeting hookers is by an appointment system which is rather lengthy. So bang her I did. The sex itself was very good and I banged her feverishly in all positions to compensate for the wearing of the mask. I have not banged so hard in a long time. Trouble was, I could not come.Alright then! You are all set for masked re-openings at the FKK haha.

Seriously that was pretty funny. I guess she can be called one healthy hooker. Did she wear mask during reverse cowgirl or doggie? If so, how does that make sense given she takes it off during BJ? I am assuming she did not force a mask on you.

Were you too excited at having a chance to fuck a tute after a long time and that impacted? Or too much masturbation, LOL? When I visit FKKs, I do stay away from sex for a week or more in the US (not masturbation, which is not my thing generally) and I either end up with a very quick finish in my first room or I cannot finish at all. Both have happened.

Good report and congrats for breaking the drought!

Oregon97
08-29-20, 15:54
While perhaps those factors may explain some of the death rate differences between with Finland and Norway; not so sure Denmark has a significantly worse health status, more immigration, or lower population density which would have to be true to back your claims. As such, Denmark's deaths per million is around 100 to nearly 600 per million in Sweden.

Yes, a totalitarian power grab collaborated by every single world democracy in the world along with 90% of medical and public health professionals too.More properly phrased "a totalitarian power grab by most previous democracies-turned-fascist states despite no scientific evidence that lock-down reduces the spread of the virus. " As WHO stated in its pandemic recommendation in November 2019, "under no circumstances should any country impose contact tracing, quarantine, entry and exit screening, or border closure. " Presumably WHO has carefully considered all aspects of a pandemic. Most countries went dead against the WHO advise which shows that it is all a power grab with no basis in science. But of course I understand the majority of people have been brain washed and scared to the extent they are unable to think logically.

Pessimist
08-29-20, 16:04
More properly phrased "a totalitarian power grab by most previous democracies-turned-fascist states despite no scientific evidence that lock-down reduces the spread of the virus. " As WHO stated in its pandemic recommendation in November 2019, "under no circumstances should any country impose contact tracing, quarantine, entry and exit screening, or border closure. " Presumably WHO has carefully considered all aspects of a pandemic. Most countries went dead against the WHO advise which shows that it is all a power grab with no basis in science. But of course I understand the majority of people have been brain washed and scared to the extent they are unable to think logically.If you start with the premise that most people are brainwashed and you are one of the few enlightened ones, then not much can shift can change your view, can it? If new facts are presented, you will dismiss them as alternate facts or fake news invented by those brainwashed people you disdain. The only facts you will accept are those that confirm to your already pre formed world view.

One wonders though -- if most people are brainwashed and have no independent thought or capable brain, wouldn't it be reasonable to think bright, objective brainiacs like you would be on top of the world and super successful and translate that superior ability into stupendous success and wealth?

Sirioja
08-29-20, 17:28
In the US political and cultural wars in which Covid finds itself now, Sweden has been weirdly coopted by the Trump base. Just as they had coopted Brexit or the election of Marine LE Pen or even Victor Orban as one of their own, Sweden has become a cause celebre to Trump base due to their stance on opening and other issues. I am not going to sit here and judge whether Sweden did the right thing or not but I doubt that becoming a champion in fraternity and solidarity to the trump base is what the good Swedes had in mind. Hitherto if any one had celebrated Sweden in US it was mostly the liberals that did, pointing to Swedish and Scandi welfare societies as role models. Paul Krugman for example. I am sure Swedes are saying to Americans "leave us alone" LOL.LE Pen is not elected in France. I won t vote for her but I think she is less dangerous than Trump.

Mursenary
08-29-20, 21:14
Even pre-dating pandemic, trust in the government is not particularly high. Conspiracy theorists must reason that the global elite are able to bribe the leading authorities in the scientific and medical community (like a Anthony Fauci). That in conjunction with using mainstream media allows them to brainwash the population. They probably also believe that the majority of the scientific and medical community is not in on this ruse, they are just merely sheep that are blindly following the Faucis of the world.

Here is an infographic I found interesting. It traces the levels of distrust with government by country. Among nations surveyed, France and USA show up at the bottom with 33 percent. Given the amount of protests, France's appearance at the bottom of the list is not terribly surprising. What is a bit surprising is that the level of trust increased in France between 2017 and 2018 by 9 percent, whereas in the USA, it decreased by 14 percent over the same time period. Do low levels of distrust in institutions allow conspiracy theories to flourish more easily? https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/01/22/the-countries-that-trust-their-government-most-and-least-infographic/.

Amongst millennials, widespread levels of distrust, in media, big business, federal government.

Above article also touches on how millennials consume media vastly different to previous generations. Beauty and fashion influencers are able to reach, connect, and resonate with wider, more fragmented audiences. The leaders of conspiracy movements I would categorize as just a different type of influencer.Hence exactly why I mentioned that the internet media age is a breeding ground for conspiracy theorists to flourish. Information goes unvetted and weirdos are able to find each other and reinforce weirdo beliefs. Combine the plethora of bias and misinformation with people's natural mental laziness to do the leg work of vetting information, then bam, you get a ton of people that submit to the confirmation bias that you alluded to previously.

Mursenary
08-29-20, 21:17
EL: sorry but what is the interest to have sex and pay for it if you can't come?I've probably had a couple dozen rooms where I didn't finish. Enjoyed 90% of them.

Mursenary
08-29-20, 21:33
More properly phrased "a totalitarian power grab by most previous democracies-turned-fascist states despite no scientific evidence that lock-down reduces the spread of the virus. " As WHO stated in its pandemic recommendation in November 2019, "under no circumstances should any country impose contact tracing, quarantine, entry and exit screening, or border closure. " Presumably WHO has carefully considered all aspects of a pandemic. Most countries went dead against the WHO advise which shows that it is all a power grab with no basis in science. But of course I understand the majority of people have been brain washed and scared to the extent they are unable to think logically.Another example of more bullshit inspired by selfish lack of perception reinforced by conspiracy theorists.

For those who prefer evidence-based conclusion making, here's a list of peer reviewed studies that support the efficacy of lockdowns. For the rest, shut the hell up and let the nerds do the work.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268966/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20) 30201-7/ fulltext.

https://voxeu.org/article/effectiveness-lockdowns-learning-swedish-experience

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/20-256701.pdf?ua=1

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200715190744.htm

Are there more efficient methods than lockdowns? Probably. To say that they are not effective is asinine and illogical.

Sirioja
08-30-20, 00:41
Is your only pleasure in sex, just to empty balls? Fortunately for me, I have much more enjoyable pleasures for sex and when I really enjoy, I try to control as long as I feel girl has stamina. On the other hand, when not interesting sex for me, like on my only room with Luana LR, when I felt getting me inside of her was difficult for her little girl vagina, then I did let go. Fortunately she was my first of the week end and even she was friendly in room, but no interest to repeat for me. Sometimes with some average for sex girls, I prefer not to finish or I dream about my past girlfriend. I remember my best FKK girl when I didn't finish at our end on September October 2017, telling me: You don't like me anymore? Nothing about pleasure when she was my best pleasure until our last day when had 2 really enjoyable rooms, but just matter of bad image. Can also be because of job stress or exhaustion because not sleeping or driving too much, but can have real pleasure without emptying balls. Pleasure in mind is so much more enjoyable.

Master Monger
08-30-20, 02:57
Another example of more bullshit inspired by selfish lack of perception reinforced by conspiracy theorists.

For those who prefer evidence-based conclusion making, here's a list of peer reviewed studies that support the efficacy of lockdowns. For the rest, shut the hell up and let the nerds do the work.

Are there more efficient methods than lockdowns? Probably. To say that they are not effective is asinine and illogical.9 million Suicides!

2 million Small Businesses closed down!

Over $32 Trillion lost by the middle to lower classes!

No theories here "Genius" these are facts! You can take your efficacy of lockdowns down to not efficient at all mister smart guy.

The craziest thing is these lockdowns are to protect those who are susceptible to COVID-19 and those are people over 65 years old or have poor health or weak immune systems!

Wouldn't your more efficient way be to lockdown those people and let the rest of the world get back to living? Doesn't that make sense? Wouldn't that be the better solution? So why aren't they doing that? I wonder why? Could it be they have different goals and agendas that make only locking down the few hundred million people in danger from COVID-19 not.

Possible? Answer me that?

Most people are so lazy or so stupid they don't even understand the situation. You will fall into this category if you can't tell me why we shouldn't only lockdown the few hundred million non-working, old, sick, drains on society that are actually at risk from COVID-19!

What is your brilliant answer you sheep puppet?

I am so sick of being reminded how stupid the world is everyday I see people sharing their opinions rather than looking at the facts and comparing the data!

Wake up or lie down and die so the rest of us don't have to deal with your ignorance!

Pistons
08-30-20, 03:05
Mursenary: As far as I understood him, that was exactly what Oregon was trying to say as well.

One thing about internet discussion that repeats themselves is that most people think they know everything. And there is a competition in trying to win. Whatever winning is.

Like the unstoppable force hitting an immovable object.

When that is said, most people are sheep, and brainwashed into following orders. 'Brainwashing' however is a negative phrase however. Some might call the same thing for 'enlightened'. It is the same thing, just from opposite viewpoints. One negatively framed word, and one positively framed word.

What this seems to relate to is the cognitive distancing of passive movement when being told or taught by a superior:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-nazi-s-defense-of-just-following-orders-plays-out-in-the-mind/

In the same sense, a public newspaper, a TV station and a radio program works the same way. Ref The Frankfurt School of Critical Theory and perhaps especially Theodor Adorno.

https://www.thoughtco.com/frankfurt-school-3026079

Up untill the milennium there was however the idea that the Frankfurt School had been somewhat wrong, and that people were more swayed by informed 'friends', or people they knew. Which was a set of ideas formed at the Chicago School of thought (I can't remember the years this was proposed). But with internet, web 2. 0, google and all this red feed / blue feed. As well as the notion that most people seem to think they themselves knows best, the old Frankfurt School is making a a very very strong comeback. And some even claim it is irrefutably correct. Otherwise, people like Mursenary with absolutely 0 background in this field of study would listen to me. But he doesn't. Thus solidifying my point. And I also don't listen to a word of the vaccine jargon he jitters on about. Since I am anti-vax. I know better. Also solidifying this communication theory.

Pistons
08-30-20, 03:20
Of course Mursenary can say he listens to McAdonis, because McA lifts more weights than Mursenary. That would be according to the Chicago school of thought.

But then comes the question weather or not this actually changes anything. Because McA also has 0 background in this field of study. He just lifts more weights. And he just becomes an intermediary who in turn was 'enlightened' somewhere himself too! So one can argue that the two different schools of thought doesn't interfere that much in the end after all. The Chicago school also claim that there is a mutual discussion involved between the two. But then there must be a final middle ground in terms of outcome. And I very rarely see that. .

Kinda related to this as well. Maybe you saw the Neuralink presentation last night. And have been following the topic regarding consciousness. If I have understood this correctly, then the idea is that some of the guys at Neuralink actually think they can possibly may decipher what consciousness is. And apparently Elon Musk and many of them don't believe in it. The same goes for Ray Kurzweil with his predictions. They all believe that we may some day just upload our thoughts to a robot and live on there. I don't know myself. I believe the idea is a bit too risky. But if they are in fact right, then that actually also proves pnce and for all both determinism, and the absolute idea that the Frankfurt school with their brainwashing techniques are / were correct.

Nooky Ninja
08-30-20, 10:44
Arts entrance price on their website (FAQ) will be 90 (EUR. Seem some sort of registration needed each time to go with girl -name, phone etc. No way to know if this controlled (probably not). But not point.

Think boys. Covid numbers up all over Europe. Berlin daily cases now 400% (4 X) higher than end May. Romania and Croatia very bad and home to many girls. Men will come from all over. Typical weekend many from north Italy, Sweden, UK. Rooms upstairs poor ventilation. Showers, big bar area also poor air ventilation, smokey. We know this aerosol airborne particles, crowding, loud talking is clear way to spread virus (even with mask). A few beers. Also girls who are there will be somewhat financially desperate, and men more than normal risk takers. Even if "healthy", many asymptomatic. So population will be skewed. Swiss clubs all open and Swiss numbers now high. Of course not only reason but can be role. This will not be like just riding you Bahn or going to office. It will simply be impossible to minimize exposure. Almost wonder if authorities not setting things up to close for good, having been unsuccessful in big raid. They would love excuse.

Final word on this. Of course all Covid hoaxers and invincible young people will know better facts.

Ninja have many great years there, many friends from A, and situation is very sad and frustrating. No doubt for a while things may be ok. Maybe. It will also be difficult to know as info reported will be delayed, if even reported. But until vaccine works and is widely available, in humble opinion, it is crazy risky to do this now. Could not be better way to spread things, all over Europe. Everyone must decide for self, obviously. But you cannot say you do not know.

Sirioja
08-30-20, 10:53
After Berlin events yesterday, let s see if Artemis will be allowed and how for sex, mask or not? After rush to empty balls, Swiss clubs and Globe are most often quite empty.

McGrath
08-30-20, 11:56
Agree completely with that NInja. I won't go and I really want to. I have asthma so that is a big factor in my decision.

DasBooty
08-30-20, 12:45
Arts entrance price on their website (FAQ) will be 90 (EUR. Seem some sort of registration needed each time to go with girl -name, phone etc. No way to know if this controlled (probably not). But not point.

Think boys. Covid numbers up all over Europe. Berlin daily cases now 400% (4 X) higher than end May. Romania and Croatia very bad and home to many girls. Men will come from all over. Typical weekend many from north Italy, Sweden, UK. Rooms upstairs poor ventilation. Showers, big bar area also poor air ventilation, smokey. We know this aerosol airborne particles, crowding, loud talking is clear way to spread virus (even with mask). A few beers. Also girls who are there will be somewhat financially desperate, and men more than normal risk takers. Even if "healthy", many asymptomatic. So population will be skewed. Swiss clubs all open and Swiss numbers now high. Of course not only reason but can be role. This will not be like just riding you Bahn or going to office. It will simply be impossible to minimize exposure. Almost wonder if authorities not setting things up to close for good, having been unsuccessful in big raid. They would love excuse.

Final word on this. Of course all Covid hoaxers and invincible young people will know better facts.

Ninja have many great years there, many friends from A, and situation is very sad and frustrating. No doubt for a while things may be ok. Maybe. It will also be difficult to know as info reported will be delayed, if even reported. But until vaccine works and is widely available, in humble opinion, it is crazy risky to do this now. Could not be better way to spread things, all over Europe. Everyone must decide for self, obviously. But you cannot say you do not know.Anyone going to a brothel during a pandemic is well aware of the risks involved.

Pistons
08-30-20, 13:31
It depends on how you define employment. In many countries (I'm not sure about Germany though!) if you work 1 h / week, you are considered in employment.Where I live it is 1 HR a month. All that is needed to be not included in the unemployment statistics. And the number to these part time employed are massive.

Even in USA, they just renewed how the official statistics works yet again in order to make the unemployment numbers seem lower. What they now did in USA will soon spread to Europe too I am certain of.

What they did in USA now was moving to a 'seasonally adjusted' figure. Meaning if you have a job only for 3 months a year, you are considered employed. So where I live that could mean like 3 hours a year. Go figure!

These statistics are as close to full blown lies as it can possibly get. Only idiots look at unemployment rates nowadays! Or people with brain tumors. In which case I feel sorry for them!

Pistons
08-30-20, 13:35
Also people not included in the official figures are: students, people on maturnity / paternity leave, people on sickness benefits, people who has not had a job for more than 24 months, or people on vacation. This is both where I live, and also in USA.

I used to have a link to a page that showed the real unemployment rate of USA as it was counted back in the 1990's. And last year or two years ago it was at about 27% IIRC. In USA.

Pistons
08-30-20, 13:52
Unfortunately the site has been censored and brought down it seems, but it still appears as a link if you google the following: shadowstats.com alternate unemployment statistics.

Sirioja
08-30-20, 14:57
Anyone going to a brothel during a pandemic is well aware of the risks involved.Not so sure, when You still see very old and really fat. Nevertheless, better to be aware about risky playfield, why I m surprised Germany allow Artemis to open.

Turgid
08-30-20, 16:36
Alright then! You are all set for masked re-openings at the FKK haha.

Seriously that was pretty funny. I guess she can be called one healthy hooker. Did she wear mask during reverse cowgirl or doggie? If so, how does that make sense given she takes it off during BJ? I am assuming she did not force a mask on you.

Were you too excited at having a chance to fuck a tute after a long time and that impacted? Or too much masturbation, LOL? When I visit FKKs, I do stay away from sex for a week or more in the US (not masturbation, which is not my thing generally) and I either end up with a very quick finish in my first room or I cannot finish at all. Both have happened.

Good report and congrats for breaking the drought!Fortunately she did not ask me to put a mask on; that would have certainly meant a cancellation on my part. Therefore, I got to suck on her boobs and do cunnilingus and kiss her all over her body. The wearing of her mask was probably to give her psychological security especially during missionary. Afterwards I spoke to the guy who runs the agency and he said that its up to the girl. I did bang one from the same agency subsequently and she did not wear the mask during sex but she said no kissing of the face. Bummer. However, I did climax this time.

I have been banging hookers here since April and this was the first to wear a mask during the deed.

I am not yet set for masked re-openings of FKKs until I come with a babe wearing a mask.

The cost was $400 for the hour.

BTW the girls arrive with their own thermometer and hand sanitizer, LOL. They check my temperature at the elbow upon entry and we both take a shower. It has just occurred to me that I could use the thermometer to check their temperature. I should probably do that next time.

Sirioja
08-30-20, 18:29
Agree completely with that NInja. I won't go and I really want to. I have asthma so that is a big factor in my decision.You are right, take care of your health.

Pessimist
08-30-20, 18:38
Fortunately she did not ask me to put a mask on; that would have certainly meant a cancellation on my part. Therefore, I got to suck on her boobs and do cunnilingus and kiss her all over her body. The wearing of her mask was probably to give her psychological security especially during missionary. Afterwards I spoke to the guy who runs the agency and he said that its up to the girl. I did bang one from the same agency subsequently and she did not wear the mask during sex but she said no kissing of the face. Bummer. However, I did climax this time.

I have been banging hookers here since April and this was the first to wear a mask during the deed.

I am not yet set for masked re-openings of FKKs until I come with a babe wearing a mask.

The cost was $400 for the hour.

BTW the girls arrive with their own thermometer and hand sanitizer, LOL. They check my temperature at the elbow upon entry and we both take a shower. It has just occurred to me that I could use the thermometer to check their temperature. I should probably do that next time.Thanks for the incremental color. I guess I misunderstood and called it a drought but you have been active since April. Nice! $400 is slightly pricey, what is the quality of the girls? 8's and 9's at FKKs? My usual for sugar babes is between $200 - $300, and they are comparable to FKK girls at 8, the $200 may be 6 or 7. Occasionally I have gotten lucky to experience some 9's on the sugar babe circuit but it is pure luck.

You would not reject a girl if a girl has high temp, would you? Is the money collected upfront on credit card?

Paulie97
08-30-20, 19:42
Still in here screaming and crying with the exclamation marks because you aren't getting your way? The vast majority of the world doesn't want to do it your way, or the way that suits you best so you can get back to buying pussy. The sooner you accept what you cannot change the sooner your blood pressure will return back to normal levels. 9% of the deaths in the USA are of people under the ages of 54. Most of the rest were not in nursing homes. Most of the rest had quality of life. And no one is recommending lockdowns outside of temporary quarantines in some especially hard hit areas. For most people all that is suggested is social distancing, and when such is difficult or impossible, masks. As to the crying about suicides, to use your logic, anyone who kills themselves over this pandemic had serious mental health problems to begin with and would have killed themselves soon anyway. Lololol Plus I've yet to see any credible stats that show any significant uptick in suicide rates in my country. They did increase 35% from 1999 to 2018 but that's of course pre-pandemic.

But hey just keep screaming and spreading your misinformation in a monger forum and you'll likely live through this. Don't keep it all bottled up inside. Wink.


9 million Suicides!

2 million Small Businesses closed down!

Over $32 Trillion lost by the middle to lower classes!

No theories here "Genius" these are facts! You can take your efficacy of lockdowns down to not efficient at all mister smart guy.

The craziest thing is these lockdowns are to protect those who are susceptible to COVID-19 and those are people over 65 years old or have poor health or weak immune systems!

Wouldn't your more efficient way be to lockdown those people and let the rest of the world get back to living? Doesn't that make sense? Wouldn't that be the better solution? So why aren't they doing that? I wonder why? Could it be they have different goals and agendas that make only locking down the few hundred million people in danger from COVID-19 not.

Pessimist
08-30-20, 21:30
The flaw with attacking lockdowns imposed in March and April is that such an attack is mainly based on hindsight. At least in the US, our federal government was very lax until March and wasted precious weeks in Jan and Feb. Part of that may be federal bureaucracy being ineffective and inefficient and partly because our President had personal political motives. Nevertheless, fact remains that those weeks were wasted. We were truly caught with our pants down so to speak. We saw what happened in NYC. Cuomo may have made some mistakes but there is no question that our systems were overwhelmed. If we had not done a national lockdown to the extent we did, it is obvious that many more would have died and perhaps would have spread in an uncontrolled manner. In the last 6 months we have improved our knowledge significantly. Now there are no lockdowns. Schools are open, colleges are open, shops are open, people are working. If economy is below full output level, it is because there are structural reasons and many people are still quite concerned about Covid. It is easy for some people to say "stop being afraid, go and live a normal life". That is your personal view and the people stating home and spending below normal have their own views. The economy is a result of all of us coming together.

Mursenary
08-30-20, 23:59
Mursenary: As far as I understood him, that was exactly what Oregon was trying to say as well.

Up untill the milennium there was however the idea that the Frankfurt School had been somewhat wrong, and that people were more swayed by informed 'friends', or people they knew. Which was a set of ideas formed at the Chicago School of thought (I can't remember the years this was proposed). But with internet, web 2. 0, google and all this red feed / blue feed. As well as the notion that most people seem to think they themselves knows best, the old Frankfurt School is making a a very very strong comeback. And some even claim it is irrefutably correct. Otherwise, people like Mursenary with absolutely 0 background in this field of study would listen to me. But he doesn't. Thus solidifying my point. And I also don't listen to a word of the vaccine jargon he jitters on about. Since I am anti-vax. I know better. Also solidifying this communication theory.You understood Oregon wrong.

Lots of loose connection babble ensuing. That's generally how conspiracy theorists get from "point A to point 4," logical voodoo where the dots that don't actually connect. Pretty much opposite of the scientific theory that we all learned in grade school. Par for the course here.

Mursenary
08-31-20, 00:08
9 million Suicides!

2 million Small Businesses closed down!

Over $32 Trillion lost by the middle to lower classes!

No theories here "Genius" these are facts! You can take your efficacy of lockdowns down to not efficient at all mister smart guy.Source?


The craziest thing is these lockdowns are to protect those who are susceptible to COVID-19 and those are people over 65 years old or have poor health or weak immune systems!

Wouldn't your more efficient way be to lockdown those people and let the rest of the world get back to living? Doesn't that make sense? Wouldn't that be the better solution? So why aren't they doing that? I wonder why? Could it be they have different goals and agendas that make only locking down the few hundred million people in danger from COVID-19 not.

Possible? Answer me that?

Most people are so lazy or so stupid they don't even understand the situation. You will fall into this category if you can't tell me why we shouldn't only lockdown the few hundred million non-working, old, sick, drains on society that are actually at risk from COVID-19!

What is your brilliant answer you sheep puppet?

I am so sick of being reminded how stupid the world is everyday I see people sharing their opinions rather than looking at the facts and comparing the data!

Wake up or lie down and die so the rest of us don't have to deal with your ignorance!Pulmonary fibrosis.

Too much MAGA energy in this post. Sad.

Mursenary
08-31-20, 00:29
Of course Mursenary can say he listens to McAdonis, because McA lifts more weights than Mursenary. That would be according to the Chicago school of thought.

But then comes the question weather or not this actually changes anything. Because McA also has 0 background in this field of study. He just lifts more weights. And he just becomes an intermediary who in turn was 'enlightened' somewhere himself too! So one can argue that the two different schools of thought doesn't interfere that much in the end after all. The Chicago school also claim that there is a mutual discussion involved between the two. But then there must be a final middle ground in terms of outcome. And I very rarely see that. .

Kinda related to this as well. Maybe you saw the Neuralink presentation last night. And have been following the topic regarding consciousness. If I have understood this correctly, then the idea is that some of the guys at Neuralink actually think they can possibly may decipher what consciousness is. And apparently Elon Musk and many of them don't believe in it. The same goes for Ray Kurzweil with his predictions. They all believe that we may some day just upload our thoughts to a robot and live on there. I don't know myself. I believe the idea is a bit too risky. But if they are in fact right, then that actually also proves pnce and for all both determinism, and the absolute idea that the Frankfurt school with their brainwashing techniques are / were correct.I run into a lot of people who consider themselves parts of various counter cultures. Some are creative or artistically gifted. Some are kind-hearted free spirits. But many others are just non-productive, pseudo-intellectuals who get their rocks off striving for the appearance of independent minded thoughtfulness. Funny thing is those people usually live lives filled with mediocrity. If they were so smart, why is it that those personality types often show no financial, social, physical, or professional success. You would think that gaming the system would be so easy for them. Hell, in a previous professional life, I met so many idiots pulling 7 figure years. The difference is that those idiots had balls and made moves while the pseudo-intellectuals criticize and judge but actually accomplish very little.

Living a five figure salary life, not contributing to society, with no social connections, no mentorship of the next generation, no internal sense of achievement, it's a terribly depressing existence.

Master Monger
08-31-20, 12:48
9% of the deaths in the USA are of people under the ages of 54. Most of the rest were not in nursing homes. Most of the rest had quality of life.99.9% are either over the age of 65 and or have a preexisting medical condition. That 9% of the people under 54 would fall into the sick people category.


And no one is recommending lockdowns outside of temporary quarantines in some especially hard hit areas. For most people all that is suggested is social distancing, and when such is difficult or impossible, masks.Which part of 77 countries that are completely closed off from International Travel are you not aware of? Or the 87 countries that are making it very difficult to enter the country. If they said we could travel anywhere in the world and do anything we want but had to wear a mask, that would be fine.


As to the crying about suicides, to use your logic, anyone who kills themselves over this pandemic had serious mental health problems to begin with and would have killed themselves soon anyway. Lololol Plus I've yet to see any credible stats that show any significant uptick in suicide rates in my country. They did increase 35% from 1999 to 2018 but that's of course pre-pandemic.You are a sick bastard, who only understands and cares about his own little tiny world. Most of the people who committed suicide were parents who could not feed or support their children. They couldn't ask for help because everyone is so terrified of other people right now. Many of them were people disgusted that the world could even imagine to agree to social distancing especially for numbers of such minuscule proportions. Some realized how evil the world is and that people were too ignorant or too selfish to make the world a better place and just decided to checked out.

Those who have committed suicide are more brave than You or people like you who just accept politicians and rich people are evil and there is nothing we can do about it. "That is just the way it is", says the ignorant slaves. Committing suicide is better than being a slave.


Source?

Pulmonary fibrosis.Mursenary,

You think healthy people are getting pulmonary fibrosis from COVID-19? Is that what your idiotic two word answer is trying to imply. Show me your source for that malarkey you incompetent sheep.

My source is the CIA world factbook data collection team. Those numbers are conservative and the real numbers will probably be much higher than 9 million suicides, 2 million small businesses closed down, and $32 Trillion in lost money from the middle to lower classes.

Let me remind you about some history:

Why just 5 months ago did the University of Alaska uncover that the government was completely lying about 9-11 and especially about building 7 of the World Trade Center towers and nobody is doing anything about it?

Where are the Terrorists?

Where are the weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the hundreds of millions of people with HIV / AIDS?

Where is Herpes?

Where are The cities nuked by Russia and The USA?

Where is the fuel that was never in 95% of the Russian nuclear weapons?

Why are there videos showing nuclear war causing the whole world to be blown up when in reality, if all of the Nuclear weapons In the world went off right now it would only make about 6% of the planet uninhabitable?

Why when Saddam Hussein asked the US Government if he could attack Kuwait to take back the land Kuwait stole while he was at war with Iran, did the US government tell him it wasn't any of their concern if he attacked Kuwait?

Where is the communist threat coming out of Vietnam?

Where is the communist threat coming out of North Korea?

Where is your brain after being manipulated so many times?

You believed all of those lies in the past!

When will you stop listening like sheep and start investigating like humans?

Turgid
08-31-20, 13:45
Thanks for the incremental color. I guess I misunderstood and called it a drought but you have been active since April. Nice! $400 is slightly pricey, what is the quality of the girls? 8's and 9's at FKKs? My usual for sugar babes is between $200 - $300, and they are comparable to FKK girls at 8, the $200 may be 6 or 7. Occasionally I have gotten lucky to experience some 9's on the sugar babe circuit but it is pure luck.

You would not reject a girl if a girl has high temp, would you? Is the money collected upfront on credit card?The quality of the girls vary. Generally below FKK quality. The prices vary from $300 to $500 with $400 being most common and $500 very rare and depends on what the agency considers as quality. There is usually very little difference if any at all between what the agency says is $300 and what they charge at $400. I have had some $300 babes much nicer to my taste than some $400 ones. I have repeated a lot with a $500 babe who actually helps run the agency, she has the best pair of natural boobs you will ever see, is very clean and we have excellent chemistry. I have paid $600 once for a babe who I suspect was a girlfriend of the guy who runs the agency. This was about 9 years ago and she would compare with the best that FKKs have to offer.

You are very fortunate with sugar babes especially at $200; sounds incredible. I have written off SA and non-pros. For now.

At this time I would cancel a girl who has a high temperature or cough.

Pistons
08-31-20, 17:36
Mursenary:

If all you manage to write in response are believed to be insults, I wonder if you are speaking out of your own background. Because these thing linger with me. And you have no idea what I earn, nor contribute, nor how social I am. I also lift more weights than you in some exercises, and I have played sports are a fairly high level. Although an ankle injury kinda stopped me. Otherwise I'd have made a 10 figure salary off of football by now.

Oregon97
08-31-20, 18:03
Another example of more bullshit inspired by selfish lack of perception reinforced by conspiracy theorists.

For those who prefer evidence-based conclusion making, here's a list of peer reviewed studies that support the efficacy of lockdowns. For the rest, shut the hell up and let the nerds do the work.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268966/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20) 30201-7/ fulltext.

https://voxeu.org/article/effectiveness-lockdowns-learning-swedish-experience

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/20-256701.pdf?ua=1

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200715190744.htm

Are there more efficient methods than lockdowns? Probably. To say that they are not effective is asinine and illogical.Many thanks for the source material. Always interesting to read. Obviously it is not easy to conclude whether or not a lock-down is beneficial for this situation but given the severity of repercussions from a lock-down one would have expected some scientific rationale before such draconian methods were implemented. I just wanted to point out that perhaps the most qualified body in this respect, WHO, was completely against lock-downs in its recommendation from November 2019. As for the articles, the first one is written by one mathematician and one engineer, the second one from Lancet has been withdrawn (apparently due to serious issues with the methodology), the third one written by two economists, the one from WHO relates to China only (and we all know the background to the unfortunate lock-downs was based on WHO pressured to praise China's lock-down), and the final one was not clear to me who had written (BMJ). So most articles are modelling like the one from Imperial College in the UK which predicted millions of deaths in the UK even with a lock-down. We must be aware that most governments now need to justify the pain inflicted on its population by encouraging pro-lock-down articles. Overall, there is a lot of psychology in this but I am utterly unconvinced that lock-downs are the right method for this type of virus.

Pessimist
08-31-20, 21:55
The quality of the girls vary. Generally below FKK quality. The prices vary from $300 to $500 with $400 being most common and $500 very rare and depends on what the agency considers as quality. There is usually very little difference if any at all between what the agency says is $300 and what they charge at $400. I have had some $300 babes much nicer to my taste than some $400 ones. I have repeated a lot with a $500 babe who actually helps run the agency, she has the best pair of natural boobs you will ever see, is very clean and we have excellent chemistry. I have paid $600 once for a babe who I suspect was a girlfriend of the guy who runs the agency. This was about 9 years ago and she would compare with the best that FKKs have to offer.

You are very fortunate with sugar babes especially at $200; sounds incredible. I have written off SA and non-pros. For now.

At this time I would cancel a girl who has a high temperature or cough.Sugarbabes are a ton of work. Sometimes it feels like a full time wooing game and I wonder if I can actually get some free ones if I had done that much wooing and spent that much effort at a bar or other meeting place. On average, the chances of success with a sugar babe are like 10%, I. E if I hit up 10 girls with a Hello, may be get to fuck one at a decent price. Perhaps even less, say 5%? But if I was willing to go up to $400 to $600, especially $600, I am sure the chances of getting the girl into bed are much higher, perhaps north of 50%. However, for 600 I am sure even the very top sugar babes will stay over for a couple of hours at least.

Paulie97
09-01-20, 00:18
and the final one was not clear to me who had written (BMJ).It's very clear who wrote it, even for the semi-educated. It would be citation #1 in the journal references at the bottom of the article with a link to the PDF. Numerous well credientialed researchers were involved.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2743

The other linked sources you tried to minimize were also plenty useful. That said, nothing is going to satisfy a conspiracy theory peddler. For them there's always something wrong with the analysis, the numbers are faked, the whole world is ganging up on Trump and the list goes on. Ultimately though your whining with do you no good. The world had taken a certain route with this, it's for the most part been the right one and you'll have to wait this out with the rest of us.

Mursenary
09-01-20, 01:27
Mursenary:

If all you manage to write in response are believed to be insults, I wonder if you are speaking out of your own background. Because these thing linger with me. And you have no idea what I earn, nor contribute, nor how social I am. I also lift more weights than you in some exercises, and I have played sports are a fairly high level. Although an ankle injury kinda stopped me. Otherwise I'd have made a 10 figure salary off of football by now.I think you're misusing the term linger. 5 figure salary. Poorly social due to being socially awkward. Obvious lack of athleticism making the final claims completely hilarious.


Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.LOL, no discipline whatsoever.

Mursenary
09-01-20, 01:32
Why just 5 months ago did the University of Alaska uncover that the government was completely lying about 9-11 and especially about building 7 of the World Trade Center towers and nobody is doing anything about it?

Where are the Terrorists?

Where are the weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the hundreds of millions of people with HIV / AIDS?

Where is Herpes?

Where are The cities nuked by Russia and The USA?

Where is the fuel that was never in 95% of the Russian nuclear weapons?

Why are there videos showing nuclear war causing the whole world to be blown up when in reality, if all of the Nuclear weapons In the world went off right now it would only make about 6% of the planet uninhabitable?

Why when Saddam Hussein asked the US Government if he could attack Kuwait to take back the land Kuwait stole while he was at war with Iran, did the US government tell him it wasn't any of their concern if he attacked Kuwait?There's some socio-psycho pathology going on here.

Master Monger
09-01-20, 05:07
There's some socio-psycho pathology going on here.Can't debate the truth so instead you try to discredit the individual. If you don't work for the government you really should. You would fit right in with those low intelligence, morally deficient Ass clowns. You name the time and place and we can both get a psych eval and see which one of us is more psychotic or delusional.

If you don't want to meet then keep your ignorant comments about Other people who are far more intelligent than you, to yourself. You incompetent loser.

Pistons
09-01-20, 05:30
I think you're misusing the term linger.There was supposed to be a 'don't' in there. Hmm, did someone edit it? Hmm. Might have typed too fast.

Mursenary
09-01-20, 05:56
I have played sports are a fairly high level. Although an ankle injury kinda stopped me. Otherwise I'd have made a 10 figure salary off of football by now.Sorry for the redundancy everyone, but I just can't stop laughing. Dude just said that he's so athletically gifted that if it wasn't for that silly injury, that he would earn a 10 figure income. That's 1 billion. For reference, Cristiano Ronaldo is the only footballer to have earned $1 billion, over his his entire career! Other $1 billion athletes: Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher. What a cohort!

I've read delusions of grandeur on this board but this one takes the cake.

Here's to hoping that perhaps he was thinking of a 10 figure salary in Colombian Pesos, LOL.

Pistons
09-01-20, 06:00
Mursenary: there is a difference between socially awkward, and not caring. Each time you claimed that, I was clearly not caring, and severely bored. You care so much sometimes to get accepted, that it seems desperate. These are kinda opposites I guess.

Paulie97
09-01-20, 06:54
There's some socio-psycho pathology going on here.He's presented quite the conspiracy theory collage. He's left out a few though, notably the moon landing hoax, Area 51, and there's been no mention of the Yeti, the Loch Ness Monster, or Bigfoot. Perhaps he's saving those for later, but make no mistake about it, Covid is a conspiracy theorist's dream.

Pistons
09-01-20, 11:42
People who cannot perform neighter at a gym, nor in bed, and have a small dick and low testosterone production might want to stay off the drugs, and rather get on testosterone replacement pills. At least that is what I hear. Maybe then they might also feel as winners and feel that they may add creedence to other randomly unrelated topics of discussion.

I laughed at Master Mongers post. But maybe drugs makes one also lose the sense of humor. Unfortunately I am not sure how TRT affects ones sense of humor.

HammerTime96
09-01-20, 11:47
When will you stop listening like sheep and start investigating like humans?Amen!

Most here seem to have no problem with rimming or DFK with a hooker, (who just had a CIM or rimmed another customer) yet now everybody is getting brainwashed by the government like scared sheep.

As people dream about a short term "solution" with a "vaccine" (interesting to see how that would work against a constantly mutating virus), they don't realize that this "solution" will mean the death of FKKs in Germany.

Except for a handful of dumb and desperate foreign sex tourists, most Germans will probably not register all their personal details at a P6 establishment. Right now, in every restaurant or cafe in Germany, you have to leave address and contact details.

Who wants to risk having to explain why you were contacted by the German health authorities to your friends, employer or wife, when a (false?) "positive case" gets discovered at an FKK club, and why they have to go into self quarantine? The way I know Germans and their active vigilance about privacy issues, I doubt that many Germans or even Europeans from neighbouring countries (like Belgians and Dutch visiting GT in Brueggen for example) will take that risk. It's these Germans and Europeans from neighbouring countries with their regular visits that keep FKKs financially afloat, and when they stay away, then it's game over for most big FKKs. Places like Sharks or Oase will end up like LR.

Sweden has almost reached herd immunity as "positive cases" there are dropping and dropping, but the politicians and media don't want to talk about that because there is no money or political power in herd immunity. Just like with cancer or AIDS, there is only money in a lifelong treatment (a CV19 "vaccine" that needs to be renewed every 3-6 months because of virus mutation) and political power in tracking the entire population that everybody gets vaccinated every 3-6 months again and again and again and again.

Read George Orwell's 1984 and you can see that very totalitarian society is founded on a state of a "permanent crisis. " Covid 19 provides the prefect excuse, but the dumb sheeple here are brainwashed by "war is peace" propaganda media.

HammerTime96
09-01-20, 12:15
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-coronavirus-immunity-riddle

Some key points;.

"Coronaviruses are RNA viruses, and a widely accepted hypothesis suggests that RNA molecules pre-date life itself. In this view, an RNA world came first."

"The main way we fight viruses is through T-cell responses, which kill virally infected cells. Interestingly, some studies have shown that up to 60 per cent of people apparently never exposed to Covid-19 still had T-cells that reacted to the virus — suggesting that you might not need to have had this virus to have protection from it."

"There is still so much we do not even begin to understand, but one thing has been clear for months: this virus is similar to other viruses we have lived with for generations. And there is very little evidence to support the benefits of the lockdown measures.

The case for returning to normal life is simple: the social, economic and public health costs of not doing so are far greater. With the Covid hospital cases in Britain now running at 96 per cent below their peak, we can reasonably ask whether the overall situation might not be as bleak as we first feared and whether now is the time to get the country moving again."

"Written by.

Dr John Lee.

Dr John Lee is a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist."

Turgid
09-01-20, 14:47
99.9% are either over the age of 65 and or have a preexisting medical condition. That 9% of the people under 54 would fall into the sick people category.

Which part of 77 countries that are completely closed off from International Travel are you not aware of? Or the 87 countries that are making it very difficult to enter the country. If they said we could travel anywhere in the world and do anything we want but had to wear a mask, that would be fine.

You are a sick bastard, who only understands and cares about his own little tiny world. Most of the people who committed suicide were parents who could not feed or support their children. They couldn't ask for help because everyone is so terrified of other people right now. Many of them were people disgusted that the world could even imagine to agree to social distancing especially for numbers of such minuscule proportions. Some realized how evil the world is and that people were too ignorant or too selfish to make the world a better place and just decided to checked out.

Those who have committed suicide are more brave than You or people like you who just accept politicians and rich people are evil and there is nothing we can do about it. "That is just the way it is", says the ignorant slaves. Committing suicide is better than being a slave.

Mursenary,

You think healthy people are getting pulmonary fibrosis from COVID-19? Is that what your idiotic two word answer is trying to imply. Show me your source for that malarkey you incompetent sheep.

My source is the CIA world factbook data collection team. Those numbers are conservative and the real numbers will probably be much higher than 9 million suicides, 2 million small businesses closed down, and $32 Trillion in lost money from the middle to lower classes.

Let me remind you about some history:

Why just 5 months ago did the University of Alaska uncover that the government was completely lying about 9-11 and especially about building 7 of the World Trade Center towers and nobody is doing anything about it?

Where are the Terrorists?

Where are the weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the hundreds of millions of people with HIV / AIDS?

Where is Herpes?

Where are The cities nuked by Russia and The USA?

Where is the fuel that was never in 95% of the Russian nuclear weapons?

Why are there videos showing nuclear war causing the whole world to be blown up when in reality, if all of the Nuclear weapons In the world went off right now it would only make about 6% of the planet uninhabitable?

Why when Saddam Hussein asked the US Government if he could attack Kuwait to take back the land Kuwait stole while he was at war with Iran, did the US government tell him it wasn't any of their concern if he attacked Kuwait?

Where is the communist threat coming out of Vietnam?

Where is the communist threat coming out of North Korea?

Where is your brain after being manipulated so many times?

You believed all of those lies in the past!

When will you stop listening like sheep and start investigating like humans?Where is herpes??

Rocky V
09-01-20, 15:42
99.9% are either over the age of 65 and or have a preexisting medical condition. That 9% of the people under 54 would fall into the sick people category.

Which part of 77 countries that are completely closed off from International Travel are you not aware of? Or the 87 countries that are making it very difficult to enter the country. If they said we could travel anywhere in the world and do anything we want but had to wear a mask, that would be fine.

You are a sick bastard, who only understands and cares about his own little tiny world. Most of the people who committed suicide were parents who could not feed or support their children. They couldn't ask for help because everyone is so terrified of other people right now. Many of them were people disgusted that the world could even imagine to agree to social distancing especially for numbers of such minuscule proportions. Some realized how evil the world is and that people were too ignorant or too selfish to make the world a better place and just decided to checked out.You seem to know a lot of the world's most kept secrets, really fascinating but you may get in trouble for revealing them in an open forum like this one. However, that makes me think that if you have found all this out, maybe, just maybe, they were not so secret after all.

You know what you should also question, the safety on aeroplanes and cars. Think about it. There are these 'so-called' experts who tell you when your car or a plane are safe to use, yeah right! Who is behind the safety industry of cars and planes? Maybe big corporations like Volkswagen, AirBus or Boeing? So, you think they really care about your safety? Nooo, the more planes / cars they make crash, the more they sell! So, if I was you, I would stop using cars and planes, that'll show it to the big evil corporations and to the mechanics and aerospace engineers.

Do not get me started on food safety. Do you know we have to rely on so-called experts to test the safety of the food for us? And we have to trust these people? Who is behind the food safety industry? Other big corporations I bet, which want to make us all sick just to make a favour to their pals in the pharma industry. They won't fool me, I'm now buying my own cows and chickens for the daily dose of milk, meat and eggs and I have already bought a fishing rod so that I can have fish. I will then dig a well in my garden for water and save all the animal fat from the cows to make soap. Yes, soap, do you really think that all the ingredients in the average shower gel are safe? No way, there are big corporations behind shower gels and they want to give you skin disease so that you go to Big Pharma to buy medicine. From now on, I will only use soap from animal fat, just how they used to do in the 1800's.

Ahhh the 1800's, good times, when the average life expectancy was just above 40 year old And you didn't even have to care about saving for the pension.

I've also stopped trusting electricians and gas engineers for checking the safety of the electric and gas systems. In fact, just because they've studied as electricians or gas engineers, that doesn't mean I cannot fix everything myself. So, the other day I started fiddling with the gas system and electric myself by following instructions I found on google. Everything was working perfectly for two entire days when an explosion reduced my house to a pile of rubble, but I think it exploded for what various electricians and gas engineers did over the years. Now I live in the woods, just how our Lord intended and I think that'll show it to the experts once and for all!

Mursenary
09-01-20, 20:15
Can't debate the truth so instead you try to discredit the individual. If you don't work for the government you really should. You would fit right in with those low intelligence, morally deficient Ass clowns. You name the time and place and we can both get a psych eval and see which one of us is more psychotic or delusional.

If you don't want to meet then keep your ignorant comments about Other people who are far more intelligent than you, to yourself. You incompetent loser.I know some good people here. How's 10 September?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Georgia+Psychiatry+and+Sleep / at 33.8799845,-84.5151147,15 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x650 fe59 e078689 da!8 m2!3 d33.8799845!4 d-84.5151147.

Mursenary
09-01-20, 20:27
Mursenary: there is a difference between socially awkward, and not caring. Each time you claimed that, I was clearly not caring, and severely bored. You care so much sometimes to get accepted, that it seems desperate. These are kinda opposites I guess.
People who cannot perform neighter at a gym, nor in bed, and have a small dick and low testosterone production might want to stay off the drugs, and rather get on testosterone replacement pills. At least that is what I hear. Maybe then they might also feel as winners and feel that they may add creedence to other randomly unrelated topics of discussion.

I laughed at Master Mongers post. But maybe drugs makes one also lose the sense of humor. Unfortunately I am not sure how TRT affects ones sense of humor.I guess not all of us can be 10 figure salary earning alpha male athletes. LOL.

People who stigmatize weed as "doing drugs," OK Boomer.

Paulie97
09-01-20, 21:28
Can't debate the truth so instead you try to discredit the individual. If you don't work for the government you really should. You would fit right in with those low intelligence, morally deficient Ass clowns. You name the time and place and we can both get a psych eval and see which one of us is more psychotic or delusional.

If you don't want to meet then keep your ignorant comments about Other people who are far more intelligent than you, to yourself. You incompetent loser.First you rattle out a bunch of hysterical statements peppered with exclamation marks. Then you switch to question marks, with loaded questions that assume "facts" not in evidence. You are the one with the positive claims so the burden of proof is on you. And I'm sorry, but shouting in a monger forum doesn't now, nor will it ever constitute proof. Mercenary doesn't have to prove jackshit, you do, and what you need is credible source citations, which will not include kooky websites and social media.

P.S. BTW this "911 Truth" horse manure was put to bed years ago, plus you have about ten other conspiracies going on along with it. Get to work!

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

Mursenary
09-01-20, 21:41
Some key points;.

"Coronaviruses are RNA viruses, and a widely accepted hypothesis suggests that RNA molecules pre-date life itself. In this view, an RNA world came first."


"Written by.

Dr John Lee.

Dr John Lee is a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist."In the medical field, we make fun of pathologists and radiologists. They're usually the ones who did pretty well in their studies but are usually too socially awkward or lack enough awareness to interact with society at large, or sometimes they are just assholes. Whatever the reason for their social ineptitude, we send them to the basement to work in dark rooms so they can only interact with computers and dead bodies. Point is, you can be expert in your field but still miss the big picture.

Paulie97
09-01-20, 21:53
99.9% are either over the age of 65 and or have a preexisting medical condition. That 9% of the people under 54 would fall into the sick people category.Assertations in a monger forum do not constitute proof, so feel free to prove the above statements with credible data sources. There have been plenty of reports of individuals who died without "pre-existing conditions. " Even still so what? A 30, 40, 50 year old diabetic can live a long, happy and productive life. The same can be said for obesity, and they aren't typically labeled as "sick. " So you are picking and choosing your words to suit your agenda. A lot of lives are getting cut way short, and when a horse's ass gets on the internet claiming that "all those dying were about to die anyway" they are lying.

Over 65 huh? Someone recently created a post with a long list of all the Nobel Prizes winners who were over 65. There's a lot of living to be done beyond that age, just ask Donald Trump. But since you are up with casting people aside, would you like to volunteer first?

McAdonis
09-01-20, 23:32
Do not get me started on food safety. Do you know we have to rely on so-called experts to test the safety of the food for us? And we have to trust these people? Who is behind the food safety industry? Other big corporations I bet, which want to make us all sick just to make a favour to their pals in the pharma industry. They won't fool me, I'm now buying my own cows and chickens for the daily dose of milk, meat and eggs and I have already bought a fishing rod so that I can have fish. I will then dig a well in my garden for water and save all the animal fat from the cows to make soap. Yes, soap, do you really think that all the ingredients in the average shower gel are safe? No way, there are big corporations behind shower gels and they want to give you skin disease so that you go to Big Pharma to buy medicine. From now on, I will only use soap from animal fat, just how they used to do in the 1800's.

Ahhh the 1800's, good times, when the average life expectancy was just above 40 year old And you didn't even have to care about saving for the pension.

I've also stopped trusting electricians and gas engineers for checking the safety of the electric and gas systems. In fact, just because they've studied as electricians or gas engineers, that doesn't mean I cannot fix everything myself. So, the other day I started fiddling with the gas system and electric myself by following instructions I found on google. Everything was working perfectly for two entire days when an explosion reduced my house to a pile of rubble, but I think it exploded for what various electricians and gas engineers did over the years. Now I live in the woods, just how our Lord intended and I think that'll show it to the experts once and for all!Don't have anything quite as amusing to add. But since you bring up food safety, I would say that many dietitians and fitness gurus on YouTube, talk about how back in the 1960's, the American food industry bribed scientists to write biased reports that demonized fats. This ultimately made sugar-laden and processed foods a staple of the American diet. Half a century later, we are seeing the poor health outcomes that were brought upon by these addictive foods. Meanwhile people in Italy never really read these studies. They continued consuming generous portions of olive oil, and are much healthier and thinner. I suppose this plants a seed in conspiracy theorists and then a false equivalence develops (I. E the frame in which evil, powerful corporations will always bribe and influence scientists and government authorities).


By the mid-1960s, however, researchers had begun wondering whether sugar might be related to heart disease. The Sugar Research Foundation paid three Harvard scientists todays equivalent of $50,000 to review the existing research on sugar, fat, and heart disease. Their analysis, published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), minimized the link between sugar and heart health and promoted fat as the culprit instead.

It was clearly a biased evaluation, says Kearns, who spent a year analyzing the communications between the industry and the researchers, as well as the studies included in the review. The literature review helped shape not only public opinion on what causes heart problems but also the scientific communitys view of how to evaluate dietary risk factors for heart disease, she says.

These tactics contributed to the low-fat craze, which began in the early 1970s and paralleled a rise in obesity, according to Kearns and Schmidt. Many health experts encouraged Americans to reduce their fat intake, which led people to eat foods low in fat but loaded with sugar (think SnackWells cookies). The trend is an example of how industry has deeply penetrated science in order to distort the facts about whats good for our health, says Schmidt, a co-author of the JAMA paper.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2018/12/412916/sugars-sick-secrets-how-industry-forces-have-manipulated-science-downplay-harm

Paulie97
09-02-20, 01:46
Hi, just a bit of follow up with a quoted post from a Pattaya expat in another section of this forum, and the numbers testify to the veracity. Scroll down and check the graphs. It should be the final word in these online Covid disputes, irrespective of the Tucker Carlsens and Rush Limbaughs who enrich themselves passing out disinformation, or the conspiracy kooks around the internet.

"Spoken just like someone that wants to go somewhere they can't. Now tell us how the lockdowns and border closure in Thailand proved useless and delayed the inevitable. There have been no deaths here in over 90 days after everyone did what they were supposed to. When Thai people are returning home they get bussed from the airport to certain quarantine hotels where they must stay for 14 days and be tested 3 times (not just show a phony photoshopped test at the airport. Yes I have buddies doing that in Dominican Republic). Maybe some countries are just not doing their distancing and quarantine shit right. I am happy to be in one where they did. " Mr Enternational.

https://www.worldometers.info/COVID-19/country/thailand/

Pistons
09-02-20, 03:10
I guess not all of us can be 10 figure salary earning alpha male athletes. LOL.

People who stigmatize weed as "doing drugs," OK Boomer.Actually the year I was born had the lowest birth rate in my country in the last 100 years. So calling me a boomer would be an oxymoron.

Suuuuuuurr weed is the only thing. Well try some trt. Might help.

Pistons
09-02-20, 03:31
McAdonis: I kinda agree with most of what you have written in the last couple of pages. Aside from mainly one thing. There are hardly and ways to categorize people in groups when it comes to which theories they believe in. The internet of today is not structured in the same way faith based religions are. And so each individual most likely have their own set of theories they subscribe to.

Alround covid there are probably tens of different theories. The same can be said about food additives. But usually they all lead back to selfishness. That is a basic human instinct. And when people see the need to deceive in order to get an improved outcome out of selfishness, that usually leads to machiavellian behavior.

What I believe: well, I believe the covid was fixed in the wuhan lab in order to cover up a global financial crisis. And all the big countries in the world were in on it. To save their own asses out of mutual benefit because capitalism is a structure that is falling in on itself.

When it comes to global warming, this is the biggest worldwide PR drama in the last decade. It is hard to say exactly what lies beyond, but there is something iffy about it. Because we do know for sure now that cloud seeding is being done on a massive scale globally, and the one undisputed thing all scientists agree on, is that clouds affect the temperatures globally.

Tectonic plates are also an interesting subject. Because it actually do seem as if the world is growing in size. And while it grows, the geographic poles move. What is causing this, I am not sure of, but it seems to happen in stages of accelerated growth, and then followed by a period with no growth. On and off. Even Einstein has admitted to believing in this theory. Yet, our school books are giving us this lie regarding tectonic plates, and drift.

And there two things: global warming and earth growth may be related. But this is just speculation on my behalf. But there certainly is something someone does not want everyone to know.

Look up Mario Buildreps YouTube channel. And here is the wikipedia page on the theory:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_Earth

Somehow the coverup of this thing feels very odd.

Mursenary
09-02-20, 05:12
Actually the year I was born had the lowest birth rate in my country in the last 100 years. So calling me a boomer would be an oxymoron.

Suuuuuuurr weed is the only thing. Well try some trt. Might help.Wow. Nostalgia to high school when "slow" kids told lame ass jokes but we all chuckled to be nice.

BTW, was that the same year Cristiano Ronaldo was born? What are the chances that not one but 2 billionaire football talents were born in the same year. LOL. Here's a tip, chill out on the lies. Be a better and more honest human.

Mursenary
09-02-20, 06:04
Don't have anything quite as amusing to add. But since you bring up food safety, I would say that many dietitians and fitness gurus on YouTube, talk about how back in the 1960's, the American food industry bribed scientists to write biased reports that demonized fats. This ultimately made sugar-laden and processed foods a staple of the American diet. Half a century later, we are seeing the poor health outcomes that were brought upon by these addictive foods. Meanwhile people in Italy never really read these studies. They continued consuming generous portions of olive oil, and are much healthier and thinner. I suppose this plants a seed in conspiracy theorists and then a false equivalence develops (I. E the frame in which evil, powerful corporations will always bribe and influence scientists and government authorities).Look what you did. You gave the resident conspiracy theorist a nibble of his own addiction! See the bullshit that ensued?

BTW, that sugar bribery conspiracy was also bullshit that also took hold because as they say, lies spread faster than facts. You quoted then Kearns research but her work would later be deemed an unfair condemnation of the Harvard researchers from the 60's. Here's a nice editorial pointing out her bias condemnation of dead men who were just doing there jobs:

https://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2016/09/19/Sugar-review-Rewriting-history-to-expose-a-non-existent-conspiracy

Basically, the actual events were that the Sugar Research Foundation did fund the research into the effect of fats on cardiac health The Harvard scientists were compensated but the research was sound. Revisionists want to rewrite the story as if these researchers were bribed when they were, in fact, just producing sound research. Saturated fats and cholesterol do in fact contribute greatly to obesity and heart disease. Furthermore, ensuing dietary guidelines did recommend a low fat diet but they also recommended a low sugar diet also. Remember the food wheel of the 70's and 80's? Sugar was just a sliver, just like fats. Same for the food pyramid of the 90's, sweets and fats at the top of the pyramid.

What actually happened was the fight between Anti-Fat Ancel Keys and Anti-Sugar John Yudkin in which Keys' point of view prevailed. The truth was that both were right but Keys produced a sound 7 nation study while Yudkin did not produce much in the name of big data. In fact he was wrong in his view that saturated fats (red meat and butter) were harmless. We now know that unsaturated fats are the "good" fats (such as olive and avocados) and there is a difference between "goof" cholesterol and "bad" cholesterol.

Point is, this wasn't a conspiracy like Kearns painted it out to be. It was a case of economic interests funding sound data and a lack of convincing data from the opposition. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was just capitalism.

Pessimist
09-02-20, 13:30
Pistons,

I never heard that earth is expanding in size. Where did you get that from? And it is most certainly not related to the accelerated expansion of the universe, which is *a theory*. Fact is that none of us will ever know if the universe is expanding at an accelerated pace, and if that acceleration jumped up a notch 4 to 6 billion years ago. What these are, they are theories based on some observations and matching them with the math. But those theories ONLY pertain space between galaxies. Even a given galaxy is not getting stretched apart, and most certainly planets are not stretching nor is my living room growing in size every year. Would be nice if it happened, but it is not.

As for Covid origins, I had a lengthy argument with MacAdonis a while ago. I stand by my belief that commie China is evil, not to be trusted, and I am happy with my stance that it was it unlikely that the virus was man made. Mr Mac likes to see goodness in all all things, perhaps he is a fan of James Herriot. I never read him personally.

Pistons
09-02-20, 15:58
Mursenary: You don't really get it do you? Everything is capitalism. Capitalism, or money is the tool used for selfish reasons.

What you define as a conspiracy, or investigative work is just different ways of fram.

Every opponent in a discussion can frame the opponents views as a conspiracy.

I could point to 2 or 3 things in your last post alone here as say these are nothing but conspiracy theories. But again, that is just a way of framing your points in a way to discredit its merits.

Each side in a discussion always claim the other side has faulty research. And as with wars, with either weapons or pens, history is written by the victors.

Pistons
09-02-20, 16:07
I would never lay blame on this corona outbreak on certain individuals for being pro capitalism. Hell, I believe in determinism, and that even these guys are nothing but sheep themselves.

The problem that created the string of event that lead people to panic over the collapse of world capitalism, well: automation is an oxymoron for capitalism itself. Yet absolutely vital in order to compete. So one thing cannot survive without the other.

We just need 2 things to fix it:

1. A one world government to avoid conflict.

2. A new set of blockchain currencies massively taxing wealth instead of labor.

Until now, implementing this system has been impossible, so there is noone to blame. But it is dead important to switch ASAP.

Pistons
09-02-20, 17:02
Pistons,

I never heard that earth is expanding in size. Where did you get that from? And it is most certainly not related to the accelerated expansion of the universe, which is *a theory*. Fact is that none of us will ever know if the universe is expanding at an accelerated pace, and if that acceleration jumped up a notch 4 to 6 billion years ago. What these are, they are theories based on some observations and matching them with the math. But those theories ONLY pertain space between galaxies. Even a given galaxy is not getting stretched apart, and most certainly planets are not stretching nor is my living room growing in size every year. Would be nice if it happened, but it is not.I thought I had already explained to you why you haven't even heard of the expanding / growing earth theory.

Ok, I will try to explain a bit more:

'Burn all the books!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning

What we have witnessed with the censoring of the expanding earth theory for the past 6 years is nothing but modern day censorship, and the advocates ro the theory are framed as heretics. Or even conspiracy theorists who say the theory on continental drift is wrong. As I already wrote, school books don't even mention this.

A google search on Albert Einstein only shows he believed in the expanding universe theory, but you have to look really deep to find any hints of the fact that he read a book regarding the expanding by a certain author I forgot the name of now, and he responded that he did agree with him. The earth is expanding. I will try to find the source again, but it is a bit hard.

Pistons
09-02-20, 17:04
Pessimist: here is one documentary on it from 1982.

https://youtu.be/Othb0xsvZb4

Mursenary
09-02-20, 20:33
Mursenary: You don't really get it do you? Everything is capitalism. Capitalism, or money is the tool used for selfish reasons.

What you define as a conspiracy, or investigative work is just different ways of fram.

Every opponent in a discussion can frame the opponents views as a conspiracy.

I could point to 2 or 3 things in your last post alone here as say these are nothing but conspiracy theories. But again, that is just a way of framing your points in a way to discredit its merits.

Each side in a discussion always claim the other side has faulty research. And as with wars, with either weapons or pens, history is written by the victors.Okay?

Is it a conspiracy? No, no secret plan. Just one side producing sound research and the opposition unable or not investing the effort to do the same.

Still a $1 billion footballer? Liar. LOL.

McAdonis
09-02-20, 21:01
BTW, that sugar bribery conspiracy was also bullshit that also took hold because as they say, lies spread faster than facts. You quoted then Kearns research but her work would later be deemed an unfair condemnation of the Harvard researchers from the 60's. Here's a nice editorial pointing out her bias condemnation of dead men who were just doing there jobs:

https://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2016/09/19/Sugar-review-Rewriting-history-to-expose-a-non-existent-conspiracy

Point is, this wasn't a conspiracy like Kearns painted it out to be. It was a case of economic interests funding sound data and a lack of convincing data from the opposition. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was just capitalism.As I wrote, this is the narrative pushed by "dietitians and fitness gurus". I honestly cannot say I believed it or disregarded it as outright bullshit. If I am not knowledgeable on a subject, I prefer to defer to others who I trust. But whether it is true or not, it is the most parroted narrative. You have a generation of people with ADHD, who surely will take it as gospel. Influencers who often have zero academic or scientific background dominate the dialogue. Not intellectuals. If you don't have a reality TV show host personality, nobody seems to listen. In the 18-29 age group, 36 percent of Americans get their news from social media. My guess is they actually only read the headline and briefly stare at the image or caption, and then scroll to the next thing in their newsfeed, allowing them to read 30 "articles" in about 15 seconds. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/social-media-outpaces-print-newspapers-in-the-u-s-as-a-news-source/.

For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/.

Mursenary
09-02-20, 22:51
As I wrote, this is the narrative pushed by "dietitians and fitness gurus". I honestly cannot say I believed it or disregarded it as outright bullshit. If I am not knowledgeable on a subject, I prefer to defer to others who I trust. But whether it is true or not, it is the most parroted narrative. You have a generation of people with ADHD, who surely will take it as gospel. Influencers who often have zero academic or scientific background dominate the dialogue. Not intellectuals. If you don't have a reality TV show host personality, nobody seems to listen. In the 18-29 age group, 36 percent of Americans get their news from social media. My guess is they actually only read the headline and briefly stare at the image or caption, and then scroll to the next thing in their newsfeed, allowing them to read 30 "articles" in about 15 seconds. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/social-media-outpaces-print-newspapers-in-the-u-s-as-a-news-source/.

For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/.Right, same point. Sexy lies spread faster than boring truths. Your example illustrated how easy it was to sell people on a planned, clandestine conspiracy when the truth was just boring economics and presentation of research data.

I dare say that conspiracy theorists share that same characteristic with religious fanatics. Science and facts is boring so they defer to mythology and more interesting what ifs. Both share the same disconnect, lack of reason. Both are dangerous when they propagate their theories and mythologies as truths.

Pessimist
09-02-20, 23:14
I thought I had already explained to you why you haven't even heard of the expanding / growing earth theory.

Ok, I will try to explain a bit more:

'Burn all the books!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning

What we have witnessed with the censoring of the expanding earth theory for the past 6 years is nothing but modern day censorship, and the advocates ro the theory are framed as heretics. Or even conspiracy theorists who say the theory on continental drift is wrong. As I already wrote, school books don't even mention this.

A google search on Albert Einstein only shows he believed in the expanding universe theory, but you have to look really deep to find any hints of the fact that he read a book regarding the expanding by a certain author I forgot the name of now, and he responded that he did agree with him. The earth is expanding. I will try to find the source again, but it is a bit hard.Sorry, there is no "growing earth theory" for the simple fact that it is not growing. At least no credible theory. But if you must believe such a theory, so be it.

As for Einstein. It is not a question of what he believed. He was a scientist and the very best physicist of all time and it was not about what he believed (as if it is a matter of faith) but what he knew and what was proved. At first, Einstein's model of the universe was a static universe because at the time he proposed his general relativity in 1915, that was the understanding of cosmologists. In mid 1920's, Hubble established that there were galaxies; up to then, we knew only Milky way and did not even know about other galaxies. Einstein then abandoned his cosmological constant which he had introduced in his general theory model to make it work for a static universe (that in itself is amazing. The greatest scientist of all time tweaked his equation and randomly inserted a constant in his equation, as school kids do, just to make it work for the world that was known then). He called it his greatest blunder. Many years later, Alan Guth (among others) came up with the inflationary theory of the universe and this fits the current known observations about red shift. All of these talk about universe at massive scales. I. e. Space between galaxies which is much larger than the size of any galaxy itself. There is NO science which claims a given star system or worse yet a single planet is stretching as a result of some inflationary theory.

And sorry, there is tons of scientific research on this, and one does not have to watch any YouTube videos to know about these things. More important is to actually understand what is already existing in today's scientific realm.

All this said, I will leave you to your views. Your views are yours, mine are mine. Cheers.

Pistons
09-02-20, 23:40
Still a $1 billion footballer? Liar. LOL.Actually, 100 billion. Who counts in $ anyway? Lets go pound!

Pistons
09-02-20, 23:45
USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.

This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.

And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.

P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.

Pistons
09-02-20, 23:52
For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/.Yeah, I hate that stuff, and it is spreading.

I have yet to read some studies on it though, but long clickbait headlines do have purpose (aside from just generating revenue per click). They make people click, and that in turn makes them more susceptible to actually reading the article. Unfortunately, those pictures there have no hidden article behind them, and there is nothing more to click on.

Pistons
09-03-20, 00:23
And sorry, there is tons of scientific research on this, and one does not have to watch any YouTube videos to know about these things. More important is to actually understand what is already existing in today's scientific realm.I will not waste time responding to all of your post. At least since most of it is well answered in the 1982 documentary regarding the expanding earth theory that I linked you. YouTube is a great site where people can share information. You may not like YouTube, but it can have many purposes. For both good and bad. In this documentary, a professor at the University of Tasmania, who wrote a book on the expanding earth theory is interviewed. And he explains it all. Quite simple. He also was a lecturer at Yale.

Now to the idea of beliefs. The argument the critics usually come with against this growing earth theory; which is in fact nearly 150 years old, is that we do not know where all the new matter comes from. But I would argue that this might either be related to some quantum physical black / white hole phenomenon. Or some higgs boson concentration where gravity is higher. Or a combination of both.

But I hope for the sake of your own credibility that we can agree on one thing: physics are jammed full of theories. Proof only goes so far.

This however has not been proven either way, but I am leaning towards saying the expanding earth theory has the highest chance of being right. 80-20.

Pistons
09-03-20, 01:03
Pessimist:

1. How do you explain the Mars surface with the tectinic drift theory without any expansion of the planet?

As we do see a rift opening, but there are no signs of any plates moving underneath another plate.

Or are Earth a one of a kind? Just like the old idea where we believed the earth was the center of the solar system?

2. How do you explain the size of the dinosaurs unless earths gravity was far weaker in the past? Or perhaps even that the 100 million year old bones themselves also have expanded since they died?

Some of whom would have dangerous neck injuries just from turning 90 degrees.

3. If the continents that formed Pangaea have moved apart since then (as in the Atlantic ocean, Indian ocean etc), how can the pacific ocean still be almost half a hemisphere?

Remember the Pangaea continent alone was just over half a hemisphere by itself too. We see that in earth samples showing where the poles and equator was.

4. All the seafloor is very newly formed on the earth. American geological satellites have confirmed this. And hardly any ocean floor is more than 50 million years old. Except for parts of the Mediterranean. And there are no subduction zones as mountains grow where the expansion is on land instead of on the seafloor. In fact, all the most recent seafloor are on mountain ridges underneath the oceans. But the land crust is making it harder for the lava to break through, so we get a bulge or a spike upwards instead.

5. Why would only the universe expand at an accelerated pace, and not everything within it? Are you saying there are no universal laws of physics? Or does you physics only work where you allow it to?

6. The amount of books written on religion and how the earth was the center of the universe was in the thousands before Gallileo Gallilei got hanged for questioning the beliefs of thousands of scholars.

Pessimist
09-03-20, 01:17
USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.

This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.

And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.

P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.I like soccer too and I do pretend like I know what I am talking about when I sit and watch these games in FKK lounges LOL. However, I can never understand why Messi is supposed to be the best of all time when he can't win shit playing for his country. And I secretly admit I do enjoy seeing the penalty shootouts after 90 minutes of tied score. BTW, why can't the English ever win anything and please no tall tales of some long gone glory days eons ago.

But yes, real football is played in USA while they do play authentic soccer in Europe and a more aesthetic game down in Brazil (used to).

Peace.

Mursenary
09-03-20, 01:30
USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.

This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.

And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.

P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.Got caught in a lie, now deflects with jokes and insults. Would fit in great in the our American White House.

$1 billion athlete. Still laughing that he thought that would go unnoticed. What a blow to credibility for future claims. LOL.

Clodius1
09-03-20, 03:22
Flights resuming from IAD to Frankfurt und Wien. What's up with a travel ban to EU?

https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/09/lufthansa-austrian-airlines-resume-dulles-service/

The Cane
09-03-20, 06:15
Flights resuming from IAD to Frankfurt und Wien. What's up with a travel ban to EU?

https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/09/lufthansa-austrian-airlines-resume-dulles-service/Just checked my news feed and it's true. United plans to start flying to Frankfurt again. This is indeed good news and a step in the right direction for US mongers. But we still need for the clubs to open again, and for quarantine restrictions to be lifted as well. Until those two things happen too, I won't be journeying to Germany on vacation.

PlayToDef
09-03-20, 07:28
Flights resuming from IAD to Frankfurt und Wien. What's up with a travel ban to EU?

https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/09/lufthansa-austrian-airlines-resume-dulles-service/https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/world.php

Turgid
09-03-20, 14:30
Flights resuming from IAD to Frankfurt und Wien. What's up with a travel ban to EU?

https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/09/lufthansa-austrian-airlines-resume-dulles-service/I won't be travelling to Germany until:

(1) FKKs are open and fully operational; and

(2) There is no quarantine period for US arrivals.

Pistons
09-03-20, 18:12
I like soccer too and I do pretend like I know what I am talking about when I sit and watch these games in FKK lounges LOL. However, I can never understand why Messi is supposed to be the best of all time when he can't win shit playing for his country. And I secretly admit I do enjoy seeing the penalty shootouts after 90 minutes of tied score. BTW, why can't the English ever win anything and please no tall tales of some long gone glory days eons ago.

But yes, real football is played in USA while they do play authentic soccer in Europe and a more aesthetic game down in Brazil (used to).

Peace.1. Messi is the best of all time in my view mainly because of 3 things: First, his constant overview of the game and where every player is. Second, his frequency in how he moves with the ball (not to be confused with speed). Thirdly, his touch of the ball. A combination of these factors makes him better than Ronaldo and others. It is just bad luck that his teammates, and coaches have not been the best always. But that is how it is, especially with national teams.

2. Because the English mentality of tacklings work less and less at higher levels. And thus English football players get brainwashed early into a type of play that is not too efficient at the very top. I assume it would be better for British youngsters to have other focus in their heads while playing. But, it is objectively looking better now for them than in a very long time.

Pistons
09-03-20, 18:13
Got caught in a lie, now deflects with jokes and insults. Would fit in great in the our American White House.

$1 billion athlete. Still laughing that he thought that would go unnoticed. What a blow to credibility for future claims. LOL.1 trillion Ł.

Pessimist
09-03-20, 19:03
Pessimist:

1. How do you explain the Mars surface with the tectinic drift theory without any expansion of the planet?

As we do see a rift opening, but there are no signs of any plates moving underneath another plate.

Or are Earth a one of a kind? Just like the old idea where we believed the earth was the center of the solar system?

2. How do you explain the size of the dinosaurs unless earths gravity was far weaker in the past? Or perhaps even that the 100 million year old bones themselves also have expanded since they died?

Some of whom would have dangerous neck injuries just from turning 90 degrees.

3. If the continents that formed Pangaea have moved apart since then (as in the Atlantic ocean, Indian ocean etc), how can the pacific ocean still be almost half a hemisphere?

Remember the Pangaea continent alone was just over half a hemisphere by itself too. We see that in earth samples showing where the poles and equator was.Sorry, I don't even know what to make of your questions or you thinking in your mind that somehow asking these questions proves your planet stretching theory.

On #5, the answer is gravity. And the part about accelerated inflation applies to empty space, and as I said "it is just A theory". That theory says the empty space between galaxies is getting stretched. It is a very difficult concept to understand. But you are just throwing whatever questions come to your mind, instead of understanding what the inflation theory even is implying.

Have a nice day. Cheers.

Pessimist
09-03-20, 20:11
this growing earth theory; which is in fact nearly 150 years old, is that we do not know where all the new matter comes from. But I would argue that this might either be related to some quantum physical black / white hole phenomenon. Or some higgs boson concentration where gravity is higher. Or a combination of both.Sorry to say, but these sentences are simply incoherent and sounding like totally uneducated babble. I think you said your field is anthropology or some other science. For sure it is not Physics and the above sentences will not be written by anyone who even has taken high school level physics. Again, I am sorry to be harsh because normally I enjoy reading your posts. Cheers.

Clodius1
09-03-20, 20:25
I won't be travelling to Germany until:

(1) FKKs are open and fully operational; and

(2) There is no quarantine period for US arrivals.Agreed. What is the point of bouncing to Frankfurt if you're going to get slammed with a 10 day or 14 day self-quarantine? And then most of the clubs are closed anyway?

Maybe someone can chime in with die schweiz situation? Is there a self-quarantine in Zurich? Teuer oder nicht, Globe is starting to sound better and better LOL.

Samplerr
09-03-20, 22:03
Agreed. What is the point of bouncing to Frankfurt if you're going to get slammed with a 10 day or 14 day self-quarantine? And then most of the clubs are closed anyway?

Maybe someone can chime in with die schweiz situation? Is there a self-quarantine in Zurich? Teuer oder nicht, Globe is starting to sound better and better LOL.There is a list: https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/krankheiten/ausbrueche-epidemien-pandemien/aktuelle-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/empfehlungen-fuer-reisende/quarantaene-einreisende.html.

Stuggi
09-03-20, 22:14
I hope right now while 1000+ Americans die per day, we Germans don't want anybody from those super spreader countries in our country.

Our numbers are good and I hope it stays this way until the vaccination begins!

Mursenary
09-04-20, 02:46
Sorry to say, but these sentences are simply incoherent and sounding like totally uneducated babble. I think you said your field is anthropology or some other science. For sure it is not Physics and the above sentences will not be written by anyone who even has taken high school level physics. Again, I am sorry to be harsh because normally I enjoy reading your posts. Cheers.
Sorry, I don't even know what to make of your questions or you thinking in your mind that somehow asking these questions proves your planet stretching theory.

On #5, the answer is gravity. And the part about accelerated inflation applies to empty space, and as I said "it is just A theory". That theory says the empty space between galaxies is getting stretched. It is a very difficult concept to understand. But you are just throwing whatever questions come to your mind, instead of understanding what the inflation theory even is implying.

Have a nice day. Cheers.His tactics are always the same. Bafflegab and Gish Gallop are 2 common disingenuous strategies used by unscrupulous debaters.

The first, baffle gab, is defined as "pretentious, incomprehensible, or overly technical language. " It's used to come off as knowledgeable but the user of these terms may only have a superficial familiarity or rudimentary understanding of the terms and principals.

The latter is similar in that it also involves large volumes of bullshit covered in a thin coat of fact.

Gish Gallop: "Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent can't address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more 'talking points' that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, it's not totally false but the Galloper is distorting / misusing / misstating the actual situation."

Mursenary
09-04-20, 03:41
USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.

This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.

And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.

P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.Did I read this correctly? A Norwegian talking shit about football? A country's whose national team currently comes in at an impressive 44th in the FIFA world rankings with terrible USA at 22. A country that made it passed the World Cup group stage all of once compared to the 4 from the USA? Apparently Norwegians don't know shit about football either.

https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/

Sirioja
09-04-20, 06:19
1. Messi is the best of all time in my view mainly because of 3 things: First, his constant overview of the game and where every player is. Second, his frequency in how he moves with the ball (not to be confused with speed). Thirdly, his touch of the ball. A combination of these factors makes him better than Ronaldo and others. It is just bad luck that his teammates, and coaches have not been the best always. But that is how it is, especially with national teams.

2. Because the English mentality of tacklings work less and less at higher levels. And thus English football players get brainwashed early into a type of play that is not too efficient at the very top. I assume it would be better for British youngsters to have other focus in their heads while playing. But, it is objectively looking better now for them than in a very long time.In his own country, whatever all drugs, but best for Argentinians is Maradona. In Barcelona which helped him to grow up when he had problems and they paid all medecines, since Pujol and Xavi, other players have to play for him or they have problems like Etoo had, only Iniesta was a bit free for playing. Messi is kind of political footballer like was Beckhenbauer who didn t want Gunter Netzer who was a top player, and for a faithful guy like me, Messi just has a really bad behavior about Barcelona which made him. Out of Barcelona, he is nothing, he is not Pelé nor Garrincha, when CR7 I don t like so much, but won with MU, Real, Juve and Portugal. Only money and golden balloons now for him, when as written at the bottom of Mortirolo: follow your passion, I climb for this, like I ran after the ball with my dog when I was a child, just for pleasure and passion. He changed like WGs.

Pistons
09-04-20, 07:27
Sorry to say, but these sentences are simply incoherent and sounding like totally uneducated babble. I think you said your field is anthropology or some other science. For sure it is not Physics and the above sentences will not be written by anyone who even has taken high school level physics. Again, I am sorry to be harsh because normally I enjoy reading your posts. Cheers.I am way above you.

And if you want to quote me again, start at the beginning of a sentence.

Any high school child knows that if you want to quote someone, you do not start mid way into a sentence. But I will report for doing this.

Pistons
09-04-20, 07:32
Sorry, I don't even know what to make of your questions or you thinking in your mind that somehow asking these questions proves your planet stretching theory.

On #5, the answer is gravity. And the part about accelerated inflation applies to empty space, and as I said "it is just A theory". That theory says the empty space between galaxies is getting stretched. It is a very difficult concept to understand. But you are just throwing whatever questions come to your mind, instead of understanding what the inflation theory even is implying.

Have a nice day. Cheers.You start off this discussion by claiming the expanding earth theory does not exist. Because you haven't even heard about it.

Then you move on to stating that all I have is a theory, thus making it false.

And you continue by not even understanding my questions (great show of intelligence BTW).

And you end by saying that you narrow ideas on physics are just theories as well.

Congratulations. You get an F.

Pessimist
09-04-20, 18:24
Did I read this correctly? A Norwegian talking shit about football? A country's whose national team currently comes in at an impressive 44th in the FIFA world rankings with terrible USA at 22. A country that made it passed the World Cup group stage all of once compared to the 4 from the USA? Apparently Norwegians don't know shit about football either.

https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/Ah, Norwegian! Did not know. I wonder why he is bragging about football then (or dissing USA). Why not Chess? Magnus is just about god, in today's chess scene.

But like in many other fields, in chess too, all the world's best do want to migrate to US. Our best are Nakamura (JP), Caruana (Italy). So (Philippines), Dominguez Perez (Cuba).

Perhaps Magnus will also migrate to US? I bet that will send Norway into apoplexy.

Pessimist
09-04-20, 22:15
You start off this discussion by claiming the expanding earth theory does not exist. Because you haven't even heard about it.

Then you move on to stating that all I have is a theory, thus making it false.

And you continue by not even understanding my questions (great show of intelligence BTW).

And you end by saying that you narrow ideas on physics are just theories as well.

Congratulations. You get an F.Not a problem. I understood your questions but considered them irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I don't pretend to know anything about anthropology or health sciences or any of the other topics on which you write frequently, but if your understanding of those subjects is as deep as what you display here in your understanding of Physics, I have to wonder. In any case, I want to congratulate you for being a professional footballer, a past (current?) super millionaire based on what you said, a genuine expert in multifarious subjects ranging from anthropology, geology, cosmology, Physics, crypto currency, bio-pharma, medicine, economics, history, paleontology, and many others. Highly admirable.

Paulie97
09-04-20, 23:52
Not a problem. I understood your questions but considered them irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I don't pretend to know anything about anthropology or health sciences or any of the other topics on which you write frequently, but if your understanding of those subjects is as deep as what you display here in your understanding of Physics, I have to wonder. In any case, I want to congratulate you for being a professional footballer, a past (current?) super millionaire based on what you said, a genuine expert in multifarious subjects ranging from anthropology, geology, cosmology, Physics, crypto currency, bio-pharma, medicine, economics, history, paleontology, and many others. Highly admirable.That monger forums are one of best places in the world to meet very important people. The same can easily be found perched on bar stools around any monger venue. Just by them a drink and they'll tell you all about it.

Pistons
09-05-20, 00:28
In any case, I want to congratulate you for being a professional footballer, a past (current?) super millionaire based on what you said, a genuine expert in multifarious subjects ranging from anthropology, geology, cosmology, Physics, crypto currency, bio-pharma, medicine, economics, history, paleontology, and many others. Highly admirable.That is just the top of the mountain!

Pistons
09-05-20, 00:45
Ah, Norwegian! Did not know. I wonder why he is bragging about football then (or dissing USA). Why not Chess? Magnus is just about god, in today's chess scene.

But like in many other fields, in chess too, all the world's best do want to migrate to US. Our best are Nakamura (JP), Caruana (Italy). So (Philippines), Dominguez Perez (Cuba).

Perhaps Magnus will also migrate to US? I bet that will send Norway into apoplexy.High IQ is rarely born in the USA you mean?

You have to pay them to come over, as with Italian Caruana? Because everyone who knows the story there, should know that that was exactly what you did!

Comparing a small country of 5 million to one of 330 m is also rather idiotic in terms of football. And your best current footballer got Croatian parents, and was eligible to play for Croatia. So hardly had anything do with American talent work! (In a way kind of like France, who in turn robs Africa of talent).

Looking at the wikipedia page of USAs national teams biggest defeat, it was interestingly an 11-0 loss to Norway. Again, a country with less than 2% of the population of the USA. Not that Norway is the best in football. Although for women we've won both the Olympics and the world cup, and had a ballon the'or winner 2 years ago. We have issue especially with the weather, causing grass to be a big problem for most of the year. This is anything but good for talent work. Just now, the first artificial turn generation is coming up, and player by player our top 11 is far better than the top 11 on the US national team. Just comparing player values on transfermarkt should be an indication. Rankings can lie. But we also have a sleepy coach who is a xxxx in terms of team composition, and lacks pep talk abilities. So what do you know?

BigBuddy69
09-05-20, 05:03
The same can easily be found perched on bar stools around any monger venue. Just by them a drink and they'll tell you all about it.Or hiding behind a pillar when they're so small they can't climb easily on the stool.

Mursenary
09-05-20, 05:38
High IQ is rarely born in the USA you mean?

You have to pay them to come over, as with italian Caruana? Because everyone who knows the story there, should know that that was exactly what you did!

Comparing a small country of 5 million to one of 330 m is also rather idiotic in terms of football. And your best current footballer got Croatian parents, and was eligible to play for Croatia. So hardly had anything do with american talent work! (In a way kind of like France, who in turn robs Africa of talent).

Looking at the wikipedia page of USAs national teams biggest defeat, it was interestingly an 11-0 loss to Norway. Again, a country with less than 2% of the population of the USA. Not that Norway is the best in football.Aw, talked shit, can't back it up. "But our women are pretty good. " LOL.

Sit down. Norwegians are just the hick cousins of the much more civilized Swedes.

If Norway was an American state, they would be West Virginia. Inbred mountain folk.

Pistons
09-05-20, 07:38
In his own country, whatever all drugs, but best for Argentinians is Maradona. In Barcelona which helped him to grow up when he had problems and they paid all medecines, since Pujol and Xavi, other players have to play for him or they have problems like Etoo had, only Iniesta was a bit free for playing. Messi is kind of political footballer like was Beckhenbauer who didn t want Gunter Netzer who was a top player, and for a faithful guy like me, Messi just has a really bad behavior about Barcelona which made him. Out of Barcelona, he is nothing, he is not Pel nor Garrincha, when CR7 I don t like so much, but won with MU, Real, Juve and Portugal. Only money and golden balloons now for him, when as written at the bottom of Mortirolo: follow your passion, I climb for this, like I ran after the ball with my dog when I was a child, just for pleasure and passion. He changed like WGs.Everyone is reliant on good teamplayers. Football is a team sport!

To say see Ronaldo did not have good teammates in all those clubs would be a lie. He didn't even play the euro finals Portugal won!

I bet you Messi would be much better in Man City than he currently is in Barcelona.

But as I alluded to, Messi has a very draining frequency when he has the ball, so he cannot run as much. That is why he might be even more reliant on good team mates than say Ronaldo is. Who is more fit.

Pessimist
09-05-20, 17:43
That monger forums are one of best places in the world to meet very important people. The same can easily be found perched on bar stools around any monger venue. Just by them a drink and they'll tell you all about it.Very true. Imagine you got lucky enough to be sitting next to Mario Gomez on a plane journey. Now, imagine this Mario also happened to have the brains of Einstein, the funny lines of David Letterman and the brilliance of Bono. Sometimes we do get lucky like that on this site.

In case there is a Seinfeld fan here, they might like this little snippet in this context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JetECtaq4OU

George: So what have you been doing with yourself?

Jerry: I'm I'm a comedian.

George: Ah ha, well, I really wouldn't know about that. I don't watch much TV. I like to read. So what do you do, a lot of that "did you ever notice?" this kind of stuff.

Jerry: Yeah, yeah.

George: It strikes me a lot of guys are doing that kind of humor now.

Jerry: Yeah, yeah, Well, you really got bald there, didn't you?

George: Yeah, yeah.

JERRY: You really used to have a think full head of hair.

George: Yeah, yeah. Well, I guess I started losing it when I was about twenty-eight right around the time I made my first million. You know what they say. The first million is the hardest one.

Jerry: yeah, yeah.

Lois: What do you do?

George: I'm an architect.

Lois: Have you designed any buildings in New York?

George: Have you seen the new addition to the Guggenheim?

Lois: You did that?

George: Yep. And it didn't take very long either.

Jerry: Well you've really built yourself up into something.

George: Well, well, I had a dream, Jerry.

Jerry: Well, one cannot help[ but wonder what brings you into a crummy little coffee shop like this.

George: Well, I like to stay in touch with the people.

Jerry: Ah, you know you have a hole in your sneaker there. What is that canvas?

George: You know my driver's waiting, I really should get running. Good to see you guys again.

Sirioja
09-05-20, 20:48
Everyone is reliant on good teamplayers. Football is a team sport!

To say see Ronaldo did not have good teammates in all those clubs would be a lie. He didn't even play the euro finals Portugal won!

I bet you Messi would be much better in Man City than he currently is in Barcelona.

But as I alluded to, Messi has a very draining frequency when he has the ball, so he cannot run as much. That is why he might be even more reliant on good team mates than say Ronaldo is. Who is more fit.Of course Messi is very skillful, but look who were Garrincha, Pelé, Brazilian Ronaldo, Johann Cruyiff, but too selfish, unfaithful, behaving like a WG, he is not a respectful man for me, very disappointing, even Bartomeu is not good president, but Barcelona was right to show him there is a contract to respect. Many very good players couldn't succeed at Barcelona because of him, he is not a good team mate, he plays only for himself since Iniesta, why he never succeeded with Argentina where many great players but he doesn't want to play with them.

Pistons
09-05-20, 23:48
Aw, talked shit, can't back it up. "But our women are pretty good. " LOL.

Sit down..https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/sports/olympics/final-medal-count-norway.html

Fact is that we win so much that most of the time we just loose in order to keep up television interest in other nations.

Pistons
09-05-20, 23:52
If you had taken the world cup results of all the disciplines into account 2-3 weeks before that Olympics, we'd have 50% more medals. So yes, sharing was a large part of it.

HammerTime96
09-06-20, 11:48
Some more interesting facts about the "Second Wave" and all the scaremongering;.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629

Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship.

Pessimist
09-06-20, 19:02
Some more interesting facts about the "Second Wave" and all the scaremongering;.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629

Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship.We don't know the price of the vaccine yet; there may be multiple vaccines.

The following is a snippet from WSJ.

Many other Media articles also said pricing is yet to be decided.

As a person with private personal insurance that my employer pays for, I have never paid a dime for any flu vaccine. Not even a co pay.

At my kids' schools, the school arranges for all the kids to be given a flu vaccine on a given day of school in the fall. Parents can opt out if they are against vaccines.

I am still trying to figure out the reason behind your claim "Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship".

Why Millennials? Are they the only generation taking the corona vaccine? How do you know? What if Gen Xers or Boomers or GenZers take the vaccine?

How are they upsold? If most millennial people are on private insurance, they too likely will not pay for it out of pocket. It will be covered by the insurance.

Why are they naive? Is anyone who does not confirm to your random claim on any subject to be called "Naive"?

Who is the "corona dictatorship"? Care to identify some people by their names who make up this dictatorship? Would that be trump who is directing CDC to tell all the states to be ready for a vaccine by November? Is that the entire CDC organization? Is that Fauci? Is that Pfizer, Astra, Moderna, and other commercial vaccine makers? Who exactly are part of this corona dictatorship?

Johnson & Johnson said it agreed to provide 100 million doses of its Covid-19 vaccine for use in the USA, in exchange for more than $1 billion from the federal government, implying a per-dose price of about $10. J&J previously received $456 million in USA Funding to develop its vaccine.

Meanwhile, Moderna Inc. Said it signed small-volume supply contracts with governments at prices ranging from $32 to $37 a dose, which would mean a two-dose regimen could cost as much as $74.

Moderna didn't disclose the countries, but Canadian officials said they signed a Moderna supply agreement.

The contracts suggest drugmakers are making different calculations on pricing, as they race to develop a successful coronavirus vaccine. J&J and AstraZeneca have pledged not to earn a profit during the pandemic, while Moderna and Pfizer Inc. Say they will.

Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE said Tuesday they signed a contract to supply doses of a Covid-19 vaccine to Canada, but didn't disclose financial terms.

Under a deal announced last month, the USA Agreed to pay Pfizer and BioNTech $1. 95 billion for 100 million doses, which suggests a price of $19.50 a dose and $39 for two doses. AstraZeneca, meanwhile, agreed to provide 300 million doses to the USA For $1. 2 billion, implying a cost of $4 a dose. An AstraZeneca spokesman said the funding also covers development and clinical testing.

Rocky V
09-06-20, 20:32
Some more interesting facts about the "Second Wave" and all the scaremongering;.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629

Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship.Those are misleading titles as there is no such thing as a dead virus. Virus are not living biological entities as they can only multiply when they come into contact with a host cell. It is technically possible to detect fragments of viral particles via a test and come up as positive, but that is probably a very rare event as fragments of virus, bacteria and other external agents are rapidly degraded by the immune system. In biology is never black or white but it is always a mix of various events. Having said that, I understand how you could have been misled by those titles, particularly if you don't have a scientific background.

Paulie97
09-06-20, 22:27
Who is the "corona dictatorship"? Care to identify some people by their names who make up this dictatorship? Would that be trump who is directing CDC to tell all the states to be ready for a vaccine by November? Is that the entire CDC organization? Is that Fauci? Is that Pfizer, Astra, Moderna, and other commercial vaccine makers? Who exactly are part of this corona dictatorship?Great questions. I'll ask another. What is it about monger forums that draws global conspiracy theorists like flies to honey?

Pistons
09-07-20, 00:15
Virus are not living biological entities as they can only multiply when they come into contact with a host cell.But humans can not live in outer space too. Are humans then a virus on planet earth? And therefore, not a living entity?

Your logic regarding the definition of life is thus flawed, as earth with its gravitational force, air and water can be compared to a cell.

Pessimist
09-07-20, 00:29
Great questions. I'll ask another. What is it about monger forums that draws global conspiracy theorists like flies to honey?Well, if he had said vaccines are a waste of time, or they will not work, or I am against all vaccines or even his prior claim about Corona being a global coordinated scam that is one thing.

But it is a different matter when the price is not known yet, doesn't look like the vaccine will be very pricey, will be more or less free for most people, it is not clear how he says it is an upsell and why only millennial are to blame and what marks them as especially naive.

Now, Asian dudes paying 300 euros for 10 minutes of sex at Oase to well known Asian hunters can be called an upsell and them called naive, although not all of them are millennial and some may not be Asian at all.

HammerTime96
09-07-20, 05:17
Those are misleading titles as there is no such thing as a dead virus. Virus are not living biological entities as they can only multiply when they come into contact with a host cell. It is technically possible to detect fragments of viral particles via a test and come up as positive, but that is probably a very rare event as fragments of virus, bacteria and other external agents are rapidly degraded by the immune system. In biology is never black or white but it is always a mix of various events. Having said that, I understand how you could have been misled by those titles, particularly if you don't have a scientific background.It's easy to be a pseudo-expert on an anonymous hooker forum, just like we already have a "real" James Bond here talking about mountain climbing! LOL! So now the BBC and the NYT are also spreading "fake news" because it doesn't ft your Big Pharma pro-vaccine narrative?


We don't know the price of the vaccine yet; there may be multiple vaccines.

I am still trying to figure out the reason behind your claim "Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship".

Why Millennials? Are they the only generation taking the corona vaccine? How do you know? What if Gen Xers or Boomers or GenZers take the vaccine?The Coronavirus is the same virus that causes the common cold.

Have you ever wondered why most people get a cold every year? That's because there is no lasting immunity.

Have you ever wondered why you need a new flu shot every year? Why don't you just get one single flu shot as a kid and you'll never have the flu again? That's because viruses mutate, and Covid19 also mutates quite rapidly.

Some viruses mutate very slowly (meazels, polio, small pocks etc) and for those a vaccine can help, but not for something like the normal flu or Covid19.

And that's what Covid19 is: a strong cold, that can unfortunately be fatal for older and weaker people, just like the normal influenza kills tens of thousands of people every year in the US alone: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html.

In a rear pandemic (like the Spanish Flu in 1918), almost everybody who gets infected gets killed: from young infants, healthy teenagers, healthy adults, to old people. With this Covid19 Scamdemic, oddly enough only old and fragile people die, just like the seasonal flu.

For many many thousands of years, humans have been dealing with viruses and influenza, and this is a big scam for the big pharmaceutical companies to sell more vaccines. Millennial Snowflakes are easy targets, because they are easily scared by the government and media.

Rocky V
09-07-20, 06:10
It's easy to be a pseudo-expert on an anonymous hooker forum, just like we already have a "real" James Bond here talking about mountain climbing! LOL! So now the BBC and the NYT are also spreading "fake news" because it doesn't ft your Big Pharma pro-vaccine narrative?If you don't appreciate the difference between misleading and fake, then I'm very sorry for you, mate!

Rocky V
09-07-20, 06:18
But humans can not live in outer space too. Are humans then a virus on planet earth? And therefore, not a living entity?

Your logic regarding the definition of life is thus flawed, as earth with its gravitational force, air and water can be compared to a cell.I'm not sure why you look at it this way. I was talking of life on Planet Earth (I can't believe I have to explain this!) and the definition of virus. It's not my definition, but the basics of the first biology class.

Rocky V
09-07-20, 13:03
It's easy to be a pseudo-expert on an anonymous hooker forum, just like we already have a "real" James Bond here talking about mountain climbing! LOL! So now the BBC and the NYT are also spreading "fake news" because it doesn't ft your Big Pharma pro-vaccine narrative?

The Coronavirus is the same virus that causes the common cold.

Have you ever wondered why most people get a cold every year? That's because there is no lasting immunity.

Have you ever wondered why you need a new flu shot every year? Why don't you just get one single flu shot as a kid and you'll never have the flu again? That's because viruses mutate, and Covid19 also mutates quite rapidly.

Some viruses mutate very slowly (meazels, polio, small pocks etc) and for those a vaccine can help, but not for something like the normal flu or Covid19.

And that's what Covid19 is: a strong cold, that can unfortunately be fatal for older and weaker people, just like the normal influenza kills tens of thousands of people every year in the US alone: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html..That's really amazing. The people that are behind the Covid-19 scam must be so clever! They managed to fool the entire bio-medical community, public health experts and governments. They probably even fiddled with the medical records of patients, so that Covid-19 would appear a serious public health threat and they did all this right under our noses. Obviously they haven't manage to fool you as you have seen through the scam like a champ! I've seen somewhere that even cancer is a scam, so if you or anybody in your family ever get cancer, just told them to drink plenty of fluids and it will pass.

Thank you, sir, for opening our eyes!

Mursenary
09-07-20, 13:23
Great questions. I'll ask another. What is it about monger forums that draws global conspiracy theorists like flies to honey?I think nearly all hardcore mongers have to have some off putting social tendencies, at least one or two. Mine is the tendency to be argumentative amongst maybe a few other things. The worst cases however, are the mongers who started a bit early in life, say in your 20's or early 30's. Something about having so many beautiful women available to you at your fingertips stunts personal growth and the development of attractive social skills and overall demeanor. Unearned self confidence and the inability to place things in the big picture inevitably leads to a skewed view of reality. Without the catalyst to give yourself a reality check, the hardcore monger life might lead to a state of arrested development, much like being an adolescent throughout adulthood. Just personal observation, no scientific basis to this belief.

Pistons
09-08-20, 04:04
I'm not sure why you look at it this way. I was talking of life on Planet Earth (I can't believe I have to explain this!) and the definition of virus. It's not my definition, but the basics of the first biology class.Well, then your biology book is at odds with the modern zeitgeit regarding the definition of a virus. At least it should make clear that there is no consensus regarding weather or not a virus is a living entity or not. And I subscribe to the latter.

Tuber19
09-09-20, 07:40
So far:

7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.

901,928 = Covid 19 death.

By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.

Yet suddenly we need to wear mask, can't travel, live in fear and not go to FKK.

This is ridiculous.

I know some are afraid, like many people afrraid of travel by plane, but those people are free to stay home, I think everyone should live normal live, unless someone is in the high risk group should have some Precautions not everyone.

I miss airplanes.

And I miss FKK.

Paulie97
09-09-20, 09:11
So far:

7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.

901,928 = Covid 19 death.

By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.

Yet suddenly we need to wear mask, can't travel, live in fear and not go to FKK.

This is ridiculous.

I know some are afraid, like many people afrraid of travel by plane, but those people are free to stay home, I think everyone should live normal live, unless someone is in the high risk group should have some Precautions not everyone.

I miss airplanes.

And I miss FKK.901,928 deaths is a lot of people, and this number is growing and will continue to grow and thus effect percentages. Plus there are long term health consequences for many survivors. The one that is ridiculous is you, exhibiting the height of selfishness when all that is asked is social distancing and masks when that is difficult or impossible. And thankfully the overwhelmingly majority of contagious disease specialists and citizens disagree with your philosophy. If you want to bang a hooker you should have no problem doing so. Maybe not in your preferred venue, oh well, tough luck pal. The world doesn't revolve around you.

HammerTime96
09-09-20, 09:46
So far:

7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.

901,928 = Covid 19 death.

By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.

Yet suddenly we need to wear mask, can't travel, live in fear and not go to FKK.

This is ridiculous.

I know some are afraid, like many people afrraid of travel by plane, but those people are free to stay home, I think everyone should live normal live, unless someone is in the high risk group should have some Precautions not everyone.

I miss airplanes.

And I miss FKK.Yes, and on top of that we were told (back in March) that we needed to "flatten the curve" in order to prevent ICUs from being overloaded. The main idea in March was to prevent the health care system from collapsing as happened in China and Northern Italy.

Right now there are lots of "cases" but hardly anyone needs to visit a hospital or an intensive care unit, yet the madness with masks, travel restrictions and FKK shutdowns continues or even gets worse, with Covidiots now demanding people wear masks in the outside air or during internet Zoom meetings when at home. LOL: https://www.foxnews.com/health/face-masks-coronavirus-zoom-calls.

Like brainwashed sheep, everybody has already forgotten the original intention of masks and the shutdowns, yet everybody believes the lies in the media and from politicians, and how they silently have changed the narrative to "because all these "cases," we need a vaccine."

Samplerr
09-09-20, 09:53
So far:

7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.

901,928 = Covid 19 death.

By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.
Your overlooking the fact that most people haven't had the virus.

Rocky V
09-09-20, 11:17
Well, then your biology book is at odds with the modern zeitgeit regarding the definition of a virus. At least it should make clear that there is no consensus regarding weather or not a virus is a living entity or not. And I subscribe to the latter.I find great comfort in knowing that what I've studied for the last 25 years is at odds with zeitgeit.

Turgid
09-09-20, 13:43
So far:

7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.

901,928 = Covid 19 death.

By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.

Yet suddenly we need to wear mask, can't travel, live in fear and not go to FKK.

This is ridiculous.

I know some are afraid, like many people afrraid of travel by plane, but those people are free to stay home, I think everyone should live normal live, unless someone is in the high risk group should have some Precautions not everyone.

I miss airplanes.

And I miss FKK.Its all perspective.

An old person with comorbidities will be very pleased with lockdown, curfew, quarantine, wearing of masks and club and border closures.

Now me, I say no lockdown, no curfew, no quarantine, no wearing of masks and open all borders and let us all have fun in the FKKs.

Mursenary
09-09-20, 14:48
Its all perspective.

An old person with comorbidities will be very pleased with lockdown, curfew, quarantine, wearing of masks and club and border closures.

Now me, I say no lockdown, no curfew, no quarantine, no wearing of masks and open all borders and let us all have fun in the FKKs.The average age of FKK goers seem to be well into their 50's, a relatively high risk group even without diagnosed comorbidities. A key word there is "diagnosed. " I guarantee that well over 50 percent of FKK goers over 50 have some sort of undiagnosed compromised health function, whether it be hypertension, arteriosclerosis, hyperlipidemia, impaired renal function, etc.

The promotion of no restrictions with FKK attendance is lunacy, not to mention short-sighted when considering community spread. Unless you are a hermit and never see another human in your personal life, even if you personally do not fall ill, it's absurdly irresponsible and selfish to promote the aforementioned behaviors (no masks, free reign to spread).

Polyamorist
09-10-20, 00:07
Its all perspective.

An old person with comorbidities will be very pleased with lockdown, curfew, quarantine, wearing of masks and club and border closures.

Now me, I say no lockdown, no curfew, no quarantine, no wearing of masks and open all borders and let us all have fun in the FKKs.Salaam Turgid. I made the point a few months ago that most of the people making decisions (politicians) are old people.

Imagine if children were the ones making decisions in our society. Then all the old people would just be shipped off to remote islands. For their own safety.

Pistons
09-10-20, 03:27
I find great comfort in knowing that what I've studied for the last 25 years is at odds with zeitgeit.https://www.sciencealert.com/viruses-are-alive-and-they-re-older-than-modern-cells-new-study-suggests

Turgid
09-10-20, 14:56
Salaam Turgid. I made the point a few months ago that most of the people making decisions (politicians) are old people.

Imagine if children were the ones making decisions in our society. Then all the old people would just be shipped off to remote islands. For their own safety.Being in my sixties myself I certainly disagree with people being shipped off to a remote island. Nevertheless lets say that the practice of world authorities at the beginning of the world wide spread of covid 19 was to let things go on as normal with no border closures, no quarantine and no lock downs then I would have started my three month FKK tour in July as planned. I believe in the benefits of pleasure just as much as I believe in the benefits of work.

Pistons
09-11-20, 12:49
I hope all you pro vaccine experts with 'years of experience in medicine' and who knows it all better than us anti-vax 'conspiracy theorists' will immediately go and grab one of these Oxford university AstraZenexa covid-19 vaccines!

I hear of great results only available for the most knowledgeable pro-vaxxers out there!

Transverse myelitis you said? Fake news right? Well, it is just a minor non important thing that goes over within a few days right?

Sirioja
09-11-20, 20:05
I hope all you pro vaccine experts with 'years of experience in medicine' and who knows it all better than us anti-vax 'conspiracy theorists' will immediately go and grab one of these Oxford university AstraZenexa covid-19 vaccines!

I hear of great results only available for the most knowledgeable pro-vaxxers out there!

Transverse myelitis you said? Fake news right? Well, it is just a minor non important thing that goes over within a few days right?I will let vaccine, even Sanofi one, for others, I think I take less risks in brothels.

Pistons
09-11-20, 22:37
I will let vaccine, even Sanofi one, for others, I think I take less risks in brothels.With transverse myelitis you can loose nerve contact with your cock.

HammerTime96
09-12-20, 08:00
I hope all you pro vaccine experts with 'years of experience in medicine' and who knows it all better than us anti-vax 'conspiracy theorists' will immediately go and grab one of these Oxford university AstraZenexa covid-19 vaccines!

I hear of great results only available for the most knowledgeable pro-vaxxers out there!

Transverse myelitis you said? Fake news right? Well, it is just a minor non important thing that goes over within a few days right?Indeed, but these people seem to be the same naive and easily brainwashed bunch that believe that 'you get better service from a hooker if you just agree to the upsell and pay extra. ' LOL.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02594-w


Previously, a participant developed symptoms of transverse myelitis, an inflammation of the spinal cord which is often sparked by viral infections....Just a minor inflammation of the spinal cord? Sounds like a great deal, especially compared to the effects of Covid 19 on the majority of people: either completely asymptomatic or just a minor common cold.

Hard facts and numbers of deaths per million and Sweden's herd immunity that the pro-vaxxers conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit their narrative: https://youtu.be/9EAbR4WKJpM.

I much prefer to live in a free society with anonymous visits to FKK clubs and the risk of a common cold or a small flu, instead of in a totalitarian regime which forces you to take a barely tested vaccine and tracks people to FKK clubs with Corona apps.

Citizen Kane
09-12-20, 09:33
Very good video explaining that the initial Covid spike in deaths could well have been caused by a weak flu season the previous year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&list=WL&index=3&t=0s

Rocky V
09-12-20, 11:38
With transverse myelitis you can loose nerve contact with your cock.There are people that lose contact with their brains even without a vaccine. How do you explain that?

Rocky V
09-12-20, 12:19
Very good video explaining that the initial Covid spike in deaths could well have been caused by a weak flu season the previous year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&list=WL&index=3&t=0sCovid and flu viruses are very different and immunity to one of them would not give you immunity to the other one. That is why you cannot use a flu vaccine for Covid. You can find all types of correlations with flu, but correlation does not mean causation. This is the first rule in clinical epidemiology.

HammerTime96
09-12-20, 17:21
Very good video explaining that the initial Covid spike in deaths could well have been caused by a weak flu season the previous year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&list=WL&index=3&t=0sHere's a link to the FT and an excellent and very objective article about the "Swedish Experiment:

https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371?segmentId=114a04fe-353d-37db-f705-204c9a0a157b

Some interesting quotes by Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist;.


His dislike of national lockdowns is obvious. “It’s really using a hammer to kill a fly,” he insists


Is there a danger that he becomes too detached, too much at the level of general statistics rather than the tragedy of 5,800 deaths and rising? “That’s, of course, a danger but I think, then, it’s good to have the kind of experience that I have. I’ve worked in hospitals. I’ve seen the flu epidemics and people coming in and overflooding the hospitals. I worked with Ebola in Africa. I do realise what diseases can do to a society and a system.”
Adopting face masks is “more of a statement than actually a measure”. He adds: “Face masks are an easy solution, and I’m deeply distrustful of easy solutions to complex problems.”About a vaccine:


Our conversation ends with Tegnell again swimming against the tide, and warning that a vaccine — if and when it comes — will not be the “silver bullet”. He adds: “Once again, I’m not very fond of easy solutions to complex problems and to believe that once the vaccine is here, we can go back and live as we always have done. I think that’s a dangerous message to send because it’s not going to be that easy.”

Citizen Kane
09-12-20, 19:57
Covid and flu viruses are very different and immunity to one of them would not give you immunity to the other one. That is why you cannot use a flu vaccine for Covid. You can find all types of correlations with flu, but correlation does not mean causation. This is the first rule in clinical epidemiology.A weak flu season means lots of people who would have normally died in a regular flu season didn't. When COVID hit there were more deaths than normal as there more susceptible people in the population than normal. It also explains why the current increasing rates of infection don't seem to have a correlated increase in death rate as many of the more susceptible people have, unfortunately, already died.

Pistons
09-12-20, 22:30
There are people that lose contact with their brains even without a vaccine. How do you explain that?Brainwashing: Usually linked with the aforementioned multiyear educated medical pro-vaxxers.

By the way, my discipline is brainwashing, so I know all about it.

Also known as media and communication. And a major part in that is lobbying all kinds of half truths and grey lies into curriculum.

Rocky V
09-13-20, 10:40
Brainwashing: Usually linked with the aforementioned multiyear educated medical pro-vaxxers.

By the way, my discipline is brainwashing, so I know all about it.

Also known as media and communication. And a major part in that is lobbying all kinds of half truths and grey lies into curriculum.Then you should also look into what's happening into the safety industry for passenger airplanes, food, cars and building, which is full of 'experts' who claim they know more about safety than us simply because they have studied the subject for a lifetime. I mean, what's their hidden agenda? We should all go back to the glorious times when we walked everywhere (or have a slave carrying us around), hunt and gather our own food from the wild, and build our own houses.

After all, who needs all these experts in our lives when we can find everything online. For instance, I just found that cancer can be cured with herbs and drinking plenty of fluids with a simple search on Youtube. Who needs an oncologist anymore, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9qqQ-Ks7M&t=221s .

Rocky V
09-13-20, 10:47
A weak flu season means lots of people who would have normally died in a regular flu season didn't. When COVID hit there were more deaths than normal as there more susceptible people in the population than normal. It also explains why the current increasing rates of infection don't seem to have a correlated increase in death rate as many of the more susceptible people have, unfortunately, already died.There are many ways in which you can read that data. However, you need to consider that many elderly people do get vaccinated every year for the flu virus and therefore they will be protected. This is true for the UK, where flu vaccine is largely free for the elderly. For those elderly people, who couldn't vaccinate due to other medical conditions would have been extremely vulnerable to infections like Covid, which does not only affect the lungs but also other important organs in the most serious cases.

Pistons
09-13-20, 20:42
Then you should also look into what's happening into the safety industry for passenger airplanes, food, cars and building, which is full of 'experts' who claim they know more about safety than us simply because they have studied the subject for a lifetime. I mean, what's their hidden agenda? We should all go back to the glorious times when we walked everywhere (or have a slave carrying us around), hunt and gather our own food from the wild, and build our own houses.

After all, who needs all these experts in our lives when we can find everything online. For instance, I just found that cancer can be cured with herbs and drinking plenty of fluids with a simple search on Youtube. Who needs an oncologist anymore, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9qqQ-Ks7M&t=221s .1. At your own risk recreation methods are not the same as state run expenses paid for by everyone's tax bills.

2. Good for you finding more brainwashing news then. Just like parts of your curriculum. Not able to figure out the difference of facts and fiction.

3. AstraZeneca is looking for more human test subjects.

Pistons
09-13-20, 20:50
There are many ways in which you can read that data. However, you need to consider that many elderly people do get vaccinated every year for the flu virus and therefore they will be protected. This is true for the UK, where flu vaccine is largely free for the elderly. For those elderly people, who couldn't vaccinate due to other medical conditions would have been extremely vulnerable to infections like Covid, which does not only affect the lungs but also other important organs in the most serious cases.Study just came in: Dying is apparently a very pleasant experience.

No reason to keep the elderly jailed up inside this simulation any longer than necessary in an old body. So they probably have time to run through another life also. Our spaceship still has about a hundred years left before our arrival, so there is plenty of time. Aside from the fact that the majority of people in here are just NPCs of course.

But you don't know that either do you?

Pistons
09-13-20, 21:31
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/880461/Life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-sam-parnia-afterlife

So when the grim reaper comes and tell you your time is up, there is no reason to fight it if your shell is old and you can't even get it up.

The last thing you should do is to take some vaccine that makes you loose contact with your cock. Maybe the next simulation you are born into is a sex haven with naked girls all over, and where there is no stigma surrounding it. Where having Eve blow your snake does not cause a rupture and all of that.

Pistons
09-13-20, 21:36
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/880461/Life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-sam-parnia-afterlife

So when the grim reaper comes and tell you your time is up, there is no reason to fight it if your shell is old and you can't even get it up.

The last thing you should do is to take some vaccine that makes you loose contact with your cock. Maybe the next simulation you are born into is a sex haven with naked girls all over, and where there is no stigma surrounding it. Where having Eve blow your snake, eating your apple seeds and causing the rupture is not a bad thing etc etc.

Chongmal
09-14-20, 00:53
I just read that France is spiraling out of control with COVID. I'm surprised at this after reading here so often about their superior discipline. Hearing reports from French forum sites that French men have arrived back in Germany in mass means an increased risk to other visitors.

On a side note I did hear a tale about an Audi leading a convoy of 18 year old BMW taxis coming out of Romania. Soon the clubs will be filled with ladies returning from long rests.

Rocky V
09-14-20, 08:56
1. At your own risk recreation methods are not the same as state run expenses paid for by everyone's tax bills.

2. Good for you finding more brainwashing news then. Just like parts of your curriculum. Not able to figure out the difference of facts and fiction.

3. AstraZeneca is looking for more human test subjects.1. What does that even mean?

2. Same as above.

3. It's called a clinical trial, similar to 1000's other clinical trials that were needed to make the medicines that you also probably took at some point in your life.

Rocky V
09-14-20, 08:58
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/880461/Life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-sam-parnia-afterlife

So when the grim reaper comes and tell you your time is up, there is no reason to fight it if your shell is old and you can't even get it up.

The last thing you should do is to take some vaccine that makes you loose contact with your cock. Maybe the next simulation you are born into is a sex haven with naked girls all over, and where there is no stigma surrounding it. Where having Eve blow your snake, eating your apple seeds and causing the rupture is not a bad thing etc etc.Do you even understand English? The article is based on patients' experiences. Whether true or not, it is based on what patients reported.

HammerTime96
09-14-20, 10:53
After all, who needs all these experts in our lives when we can find everything online. For instance, I just found that cancer can be cured with herbs and drinking plenty of fluids with a simple search on Youtube. Who needs an oncologist anymore, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9qqQ-Ks7M&t=221s .Actually, it's a well know medical fact that cancer can be effectively combated by fasting.

Anyway, Anglos want to always rely on chemicals, and the results are obvious: no countries have more obesity and health problems than the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand.

All the direct result of their shitty diet of chemicals (artificial flavours), salt, sugars, carbohydrates and genetically modified plants and meat with hormones.

Then these "experts" need to come to Europe to fuck a beautiful and skinny Romanian girl, who has been nurtured on natural food, because their own woman look like whales and their own oppressive culture does not allow prostitution.

And then they want to export their own oppressive "success story" to the rest of the world with a vaccine and Corona tracking apps, instead of strengthening the natural immune system.

Do us all a favour: take the vaccine, continue to eat and rely on chemicals and stay where you are!

ExpatLover
09-14-20, 15:10
EL: France is a un discipled country, like Spain, Italy. Probably coming from their Latin origin, also the big diversity of the population make it very difficult to implement strict rules, never forget that you have 150 suburbs in France where the police can t enter, these places are controlled by the drug dealers like in Chicago. Very few chances to escape a second quarantine.

Pistons
09-14-20, 19:09
3. It's called a clinical trial, similar to 1000's other clinical trials that were needed to make the medicines that you also probably took at some point in your life.I am satisfied with my wording on 1 and 2.

3. Are you trying to say medicines are human made? Clearly the curriculums have an even higher degree of fake facts than I initially thought!

Pistons
09-14-20, 19:14
Do you even understand English? The article is based on patients' experiences. Whether true or not, it is based on what patients reported.So you have a thing or two left to learn when it comes to what we at universities describe as 'Method'.

Pistons
09-14-20, 19:24
The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.

While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.

Pistons
09-14-20, 19:56
I guess the medically trained needs some additional hints.

1. Was related the safety of cars, planes and buildings.

2. Was related to the internet. Although it clearly seems seems like information is not a topic discussed much among doctors and nurses. As well as a large portion of the population. So dividing real news from fake news can be hard. Especially when most factcheckers lie as much as everyone else.

Rocky V
09-14-20, 20:42
Actually, it's a well know medical fact that cancer can be effectively combated by fasting.

Anyway, Anglos want to always rely on chemicals, and the results are obvious: no countries have more obesity and health problems than the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand.

All the direct result of their shitty diet of chemicals (artificial flavours), salt, sugars, carbohydrates and genetically modified plants and meat with hormones.

Then these "experts" need to come to Europe to fuck a beautiful and skinny Romanian girl, who has been nurtured on natural food, because their own woman look like whales and their own oppressive culture does not allow prostitution.

And then they want to export their own oppressive "success story" to the rest of the world with a vaccine and Corona tracking apps, instead of strengthening the natural immune system.

Do us all a favour: take the vaccine, continue to eat and rely on chemicals and stay where you are!My friend, we both know that it's not a "medical fact" that cancer can be cured by fasting. We also both know that if you or anyone in your family would be diagnosed with cancer, you would not start fasting to cure it. There is a medical approach that aims at starving cancer cells via interrupting or lowering the blood flow to them, but this does not equal to fasting!

I do agree with you that in the West we rely on too many chemicals and pesticides to ensure the huge amount of food in our supermarket and I agree with you that all these chemicals can have an effect on the immune system. However, not all chemicals are bad. In the same way as not all that is natural is good.

JohnReter335
09-14-20, 20:56
The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.

While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.Yeah facial mask is just a stupid myth It can not protect us from COVID-19 because Its micron particles can traveled through the mask.

Rocky V
09-14-20, 21:27
I am satisfied with my wording on 1 and 2.

3. Are you trying to say medicines are human made? Clearly the curriculums have an even higher degree of fake facts than I initially thought!Of course not, everybody knows that all the medicines are sent by God and, when you have a bacterial infection, praying God will do just as well as an antibiotic.

Rocky V
09-14-20, 21:30
The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.

While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.Face masks are generally effective (not 100%% though!) in protecting others from you, because they lower the aerosol flow. That is why it is important that most people wear face coverings.

Rocky V
09-14-20, 21:33
I guess the medically trained needs some additional hints.

1. Was related the safety of cars, planes and buildings.

2. Was related to the internet. Although it clearly seems seems like information is not a topic discussed much among doctors and nurses. As well as a large portion of the population. So dividing real news from fake news can be hard. Especially when most factcheckers lie as much as everyone else.I still don't get all the hatred against medical professionals and not towards, for example, other safety experts. I should start a conspiracy theory about flight safety, so also aerospace engineers would get some hatred from gullible people.

Pistons
09-15-20, 00:33
Not just in food production.

For example polyfluorinated chemicals affect the hormone system quite negatively, and cripples and kill your sperms. But it is not used in food production. But all over your furniture in your home, in frying pans etc etc. It also makes your dick smaller. Agenda 2021.

Pistons
09-15-20, 00:40
This campy commercial is still the best American commercial ever made due to its honesty:

https://youtu.be/_inURoJOhZA

Yes, most people only see it as a joke. Rubnitz however did not.

Pistons
09-15-20, 01:04
This one checks alot of boxes we've discussed here also:

https://youtu.be/PWfWo7hJHVE

- Brainwashing.

- Freedom.

- Vaccines.

- Sex is immoral.

- Except if you make it into a movie.

Mursenary
09-15-20, 03:39
I still don't get all the hatred against medical professionals and not towards, for example, other safety experts. I should start a conspiracy theory about flight safety, so also aerospace engineers would get some hatred from gullible people.Gullible is giving too much credit. It's unearned pride and unwarranted self confidence combined with a need to feel special due to decades of social rejection. You can't fix that or speak to it with reason and logic.

Mursenary
09-15-20, 11:50
Actually, it's a well know medical fact that cancer can be effectively combated by fasting.

Anyway, Anglos want to always rely on chemicals, and the results are obvious: no countries have more obesity and health problems than the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand.Well that's factually not true. But I guess you're the kind of person who only thinks white countries count in statistics. Seems right.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-obese-countries

Pistons
09-15-20, 13:02
Of course not, everybody knows that all the medicines are sent by God and, when you have a bacterial infection, praying God will do just as well as an antibiotic.Maybe God is just a teenage kid who made a simulation based on big data in his basement as a school project.

The bible actually says that God gave us all the herbs for us to use. Whatever that means. Although my friend claims he is referring to drug abuse. LOL. There are also indications that Jesus was high on mushrooms a few times.

Pistons
09-15-20, 13:05
Of course not, everybody knows that all the medicines are sent by God and, when you have a bacterial infection, praying God will do just as well as an antibiotic.In case you were joking, which you probably were, feel free to list some active ingredients in medicine that were human made and not derived from nature.

Mursenary
09-15-20, 15:02
Yeah facial mask is just a stupid myth It can not protect us from COVID-19 because Its micron particles can traveled through the mask.


The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.

While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.These posts of overly basic and uninformed logic reinforce the fact that non-science people shouldn't be left to spread science misinformation. Are masks supposed to stop every viral particle? No. They are supposed to prevent the spread, in this case preventing an inoculating dose. Inhaling several thousand micron particles will not necessary lead to an "infection. " There's a big difference between the effects of smoke inhalation that irritate the lining of the lungs and inhaling enough viral particles to produce an inoculating dose that leads to "infection."

Furthermore, in most situations, SARS-CoV2 travel attached to respiratory droplets, not as individual viral particles. These droplets are at minimum 5 microns, well contained by regular surgical masks and most fabric masks depending on thread count and electrostatic properties.

Turgid
09-15-20, 16:11
The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.

While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.How did China eliminate covid 19? Today India gets in one day more than the total number of covid 19 infections that China got since the beginning of the pandemic.

Downandup
09-15-20, 17:39
Here are the North Rhine Westaphalia regulations to be applied in Brothels, Sauna Clubs etc:



XIV. Sexual services and the operation of prostitution facilities and vehicles

The provision of sexual services and the operation of a prostitution business or prostitutionplaces or vehicles is only permitted if, in addition to compliance with the general hygiene rules, the followingbasic rules of conduct and hygiene are observed:

1. Only individual contacts may be offered. Other people are allowed during the provision the sexual service is not in the room.
2. Customers and prostitutes with symptoms of a respiratory infection are not sexually exclude len service. They have access to the prostitution facilities and vehiclesdeny; Exceptions are prostitutes with a medical certificate that the absence of a Covid-19 infection confirmed, permissible.
3. The wearing of mouth and nose covers is permitted in prostitution facilities and vehicles in accordance with Section 2, Paragraph 3CoronaSchVO mandatory except for seats in common areas. In the contact between customers Nurses and customers as well as prostitutes are not dependent on wearing mouth and nose covers Place of sexual service is mandatory and consistently required from the point of contact; Section 2, Paragraph 3CoronaSchVO applies accordingly.
4. Except during the provision of the sexual service, prostitution facilities and vehicles are also The minimum distance of 1.5 m must be observed.
5. The prostitutes or the operators of a prostitution business have the contact to collect data (time of contact, name, address, telephone number) of customers and to be kept confidential for 4 weeks in accordance with Section 2a Paragraph 1 CoronaSchVO.
6. Customers and prostitutes must have themselves before and after the sexual serviceWash or disinfect hands. For this purpose, washing facilities are available in prostitution facilities and vehicles.facilities or disinfectants and disposable towels or outside of these locationsto bring at least disinfectant for the prostitute.
7. After each contact, the rooms in which the sexual service was provided are for 15 minutes to ventilate.
8. Bed linen provided by the prostitutes or the operators of prostitutionIt has to be changed after every customer. Every customer has to Customers a cleaning / disinfection of possible contact surfaces as well as all materials used / sextoys are made. Clothing worn during the service should be changed after each contact and /or cleaned.
9. Serving and serving as well as the consumption of food, beverages and stimulating substancesby customers are in the rooms in which the sexual service is provided inadmissible. In other rooms of the prostitution facilities, the same applies to catering establishmentsregulations applicable to this system.
10. The operators of prostitution facilities must inform their employees or those in their Institutions employ prostitutes via the hygiene and protective measures required by this facility inform men. In prostitution centers and vehicles, customers can be informed by and notices about the general hygiene rules and the special rules according to this annex to inform.
11. Customers who are not prepared to adhere to the above rules must be turned awayand they are to be denied access within the framework of house rules. This is a google translation of https://www.land.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/2020-09-15_anlage_zur_coronaschvo_ab_16.09.2020_lesefassung.pdf.

Mursenary
09-15-20, 19:25
In case you were joking, which you probably were, feel free to list some active ingredients in medicine that were human made and not derived from nature.Seriously? Geez, ever heard of paracetamol?

Sirioja
09-15-20, 21:57
How did China eliminate covid 19? Today India gets in one day more than the total number of covid 19 infections that China got since the beginning of the pandemic.Eliminate? When China is still confining cities.

Pistons
09-16-20, 00:51
Seriously? Geez, ever heard of paracetamol?Doesn't paracetamol (acetaminophen) work actively just like acetanilide? Which again is made out of acetipyretic. Which is basically tree bark. Used as a natural remedy since at least the middle ages in Europe for the exact same reason as paracetamol?

Pistons
09-16-20, 00:54
How did China eliminate covid 19? Today India gets in one day more than the total number of covid 19 infections that China got since the beginning of the pandemic.Never trust the Chinese. The layer of lies are so big that you will not comprehend. They have millions of cases in China. Just a massive cover up to fool their own people into keeping them in power. And to lie to other nations in order to try and keep a better than them image. Just like a certain European country in 1939 and another Asian island country at the same time.

Pistons
09-16-20, 01:02
Are masks supposed to stop every viral particle? No. They are supposed to prevent the spread, in this case preventing an inoculating dose. Inhaling several thousand micron particles will not necessary lead to an "infection. " There's a big difference between the effects of smoke inhalation that irritate the lining of the lungs and inhaling enough viral particles to produce an inoculating dose that leads to "infection."

Furthermore, in most situations, SARS-CoV2 travel attached to respiratory droplets, not as individual viral particles. These droplets are at minimum 5 microns, well contained by regular surgical masks and most fabric masks depending on thread count and electrostatic properties.This argument is very weak. You are basically saying that it is fine to inhale some covid-19, but not fine to inhale some smoke particles. Right.

Mursenary
09-16-20, 07:33
This argument is very weak. You are basically saying that it is fine to inhale some covid-19, but not fine to inhale some smoke particles. Right.It's weak to you because you don't understand and don't want to understand the details. Or perhaps it's because a "media communications" guy just doesn't have the breadth of scientific education past the basic high school level.

Large quantities of hot hydrocarbon burns and irritates right away. Small exposure to SARS-CoV2 below the inoculating dose will not cause an infection. Physics versus biology.

As stated, under everyday circumstances, SARS-CoV2 travels through the air attached to respiratory droplets. It doesn't matter that the individual virus can penetrate a regular surgical mask or cloth covering, it doesn't normally just float around in the air without being bound to much larger particles. Attach yourself to a 2 meter balloon and you won't be able to fir through your front door.

Perhaps if instead of belittling healthcare workers who actually do some good in the world and actually listen, maybe you would actually learn half of what they know and be a fraction as useful to the world and stop coming off as a perpetual adolescent know-it-all. Side benefit, actually learning something with breadth means less bullshitting.

Mursenary
09-16-20, 08:49
Doesn't paracetamol (acetaminophen) work actively just like acetanilide? Which again is made out of acetipyretic. Which is basically tree bark. Used as a natural remedy since at least the middle ages in Europe for the exact same reason as paracetamol?What we have here is a case of someone providing one true statement (acetaminophen works like acetanilide) followed by a false statement (acetanilide being made from acetipyretic (sic) which is made from tree bark), thus rendering the statement as a whole false.

Hell I don't even know what "acetipyretic" is; is it even a word? Perhaps you were looking for the term "antipyretic", a fever reducing agent or the fact that quinines and salicylic acid (aspirin derivative) are extracted from tree bark.

"The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth".

Turgid
09-16-20, 14:48
Never trust the Chinese. The layer of lies are so big that you will not comprehend. They have millions of cases in China. Just a massive cover up to fool their own people into keeping them in power. And to lie to other nations in order to try and keep a better than them image. Just like a certain European country in 1939 and another Asian island country at the same time.So India is more trustworthy than China?

Pistons
09-16-20, 14:56
So India is more trustworthy than China?In this case, yes.

Pessimist
09-16-20, 19:54
India is testing way too low; I think their tests per million people are 7 or 8 times less than that in US. It is a poor country and their testing quality may be inadequate. But I agree with Pistons that I think commie China is more likely to blatantly lie and cover up. From what little I have seen of India, it seems like a chaotic and almost dysfunctional democracy. That said, I don't think China has millions of cases as India is reporting. My pet theory, which I argued ad nauseum w / MacAdonis is that China had enough motive to unleash this virus onto the world in a sinister way and until the West had a chance to investigate to the roots thoroughly (which China will not allow), I will not believe that everything is as we see with regards to the origins of this virus.

McAdonis
09-17-20, 01:09
For 7-day moving average, EU is at 28 K while USA is 35 K.

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-europe-deaths-per-capita-spain-uk-italy-belgium-us-1532010

McAdonis
09-17-20, 01:35
Being Norwegian, I can only confirm that we've always preferred social distancing, even pre-Corona. LOL! But the main reason why we have a low infection and mortality rate is because Norwegians trust the government and apply the social guidelines given without protesting. Most of the infected are also younger, hence the low mortality rate.I do see that Sweden has the lowest number of average people per household in Europe. Finland and Denmark are not close behind. No numbers released for Norway. That could be due to cultural factors (fewer children, fewer marriages, fewer senior citizens living with their children, less hugging and kissing). Or the fact that housing is relatively more affordable in Scandinavian countries. https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do.


Denmark, Norway and Finland is running the same strategy it seems. The reason why you see an increase in Norway and Denmark is linked to partying students when returning after the vacation. I guess Finnish students are more abiding by the rules.Why is Sweden trending down? Back in August, there was a paper published about a study conducted in April or May. At the time, they found that only a small percentage of people in Stockholm had the antibodies despite the fact that their country remained open. Roughly the same as other cities that implemented lockdown, such London. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-antibody-levels-same-in-stockholm-and-london-study-shows-2020-8?r=DE&IR=T.

HammerTime96
09-17-20, 04:42
Covid-19 is such a 'deadly' virus that we need massive testing to see if anyone has got it! LOL!

That about illustrates the pathetic way in which the sheeple have been brainwashed by politicians and the 'lamestream' media, and typical for dictatorships where there's always invisible "enemies of the state" ("saboteurs, wreckers and counterrevolutionaries") hiding everywhere.

Kuni042
09-17-20, 08:12
We don't know. Many speculated here yes. Other said nope. We don't know for sure.

Here some hard data on the confirmed infection rates of the past 7 days per 100 K inhabitants: of Sept. 17th.

Nordrhein-Westfalen 13. (here prostitution is allow since Sep 11).

Hessen 11. (here prostituion remains forbidden).

Here the source: https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/.

(do confirm those numbers you have to click on "Neuinfektionen" - and "pro 100,000 Einw".).

ExpatLover
09-17-20, 11:34
Covid is a aggressive virus if not why so many medical staff are being infected, are we dying from it, probably not, can we have to fight hard several days or weeks to recover if we get infected this possibility exist. Close body to body contacts, with mixing body fluids is increasing the risk to get sick knowing that even this virus is able to enter through the eyes, how long the virus can survive in the hair of a girl or on the door handle nobody really knows but the risk exist.

Again I will wait for better times and my finances are getting better month after month.

Turgid
09-17-20, 14:09
We don't know. Many speculated here yes. Other said nope. We don't know for sure.

Here some hard data on the confirmed infection rates of the past 7 days per 100 K inhabitants: of Sept. 17th.

Nordrhein-Westfalen 13. (here prostitution is allow since Sep 11).

Hessen 11. (here prostituion remains forbidden).

Here the source: https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/.

(do confirm those numbers you have to click on "Neuinfektionen" - and "pro 100,000 Einw".).From the map Deutschland seems to be doing pretty good.

Mursenary
09-17-20, 22:58
Covid is a aggressive virus if not why so many medical staff are being infected, are we dying from it, probably not, can we have to fight hard several days or weeks to recover if we get infected this possibility exist. Close body to body contacts, with mixing body fluids is increasing the risk to get sick knowing that even this virus is able to enter through the eyes, how long the virus can survive in the hair of a girl or on the door handle nobody really knows but the risk exist.

Again I will wait for better times and my finances are getting better month after month.+1.

Hardcore mongers are probably mostly, at minimum, 6 figure earners. That population generally has had job security during this covid mess and have therefore maintained their income. If you're in this demographic and haven't substantially increased your net worth during this shut down, well, you blew it.

HammerTime96
09-18-20, 05:05
Covid is a aggressive virus if not why so many medical staff are being infected...Yes, Covid is so 'aggressive' and 'deadly' that you need to do a test to see if you got it! LOL!

Pistons
09-18-20, 06:58
Why is Sweden trending down? Back in August, there was a paper published about a study conducted in April or May. At the time, they found that only a small percentage of people in Stockholm had the antibodies despite the fact that their country remained open. Roughly the same as other cities that implemented lockdown, such London. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-antibody-levels-same-in-stockholm-and-london-study-shows-2020-8?r=DE&IR=T.The numbers are too small, and one minor outbreak at one party can too easily shift the numbers.

Kuni042
09-19-20, 00:45
NRW 14 vs Hessen 12. Numbers from yesterday.


We don't know. Many speculated here yes. Other said nope. We don't know for sure.

Here some hard data on the confirmed infection rates of the past 7 days per 100 K inhabitants: of Sept. 17th.

Nordrhein-Westfalen 13. (here prostitution is allow since Sep 11).

Hessen 11. (here prostituion remains forbidden).

Here the source: https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/.

(do confirm those numbers you have to click on "Neuinfektionen" - and "pro 100,000 Einw".).

Kuni042
09-19-20, 00:53
You have a very solid point. Also the sex is not much fun in many parts. Esp in the RLD some wg do insist on harsh measurements. Eg. they demand contact data, both have to wear masks. infection of the hands, before and after. Rightfully so.


Covid is a aggressive virus if not why so many medical staff are being infected, are we dying from it, probably not, can we have to fight hard several days or weeks to recover if we get infected this possibility exist. Close body to body contacts, with mixing body fluids is increasing the risk to get sick knowing that even this virus is able to enter through the eyes, how long the virus can survive in the hair of a girl or on the door handle nobody really knows but the risk exist.

Again I will wait for better times and my finances are getting better month after month.

Sirioja
09-19-20, 02:01
We don't know. Many speculated here yes. Other said nope. We don't know for sure.

Here some hard data on the confirmed infection rates of the past 7 days per 100 K inhabitants: of Sept. 17th.

Nordrhein-Westfalen 13. (here prostitution is allow since Sep 11).

Hessen 11. (here prostituion remains forbidden).

Here the source: https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/.

(do confirm those numbers you have to click on "Neuinfektionen" - and "pro 100,000 Einw".).Clubs are closed, but escorting in Hessen, when whole prostitution was forbidden in NRW.

Gino02
09-19-20, 15:09
You have a very solid point. Also the sex is not much fun in many parts. Esp in the RLD some wg do insist on harsh measurements. Eg. they demand contact data, both have to wear masks. infection of the hands, before and after. Rightfully so.Try Austria. They don't have any of those BS.

Sirioja
09-19-20, 15:48
Yes, Covid is so 'aggressive' and 'deadly' that you need to do a test to see if you got it! LOL!So many, maybe not far from 90% infected, don t even feel anything, but they can give to others, and kill weak health ones, like old. In France, I would say we are around 40000 deaths, when smoking kill 70000 and pollution around 50000, and 90% of covid deaths are older than 65. But for sure, brothels are risky playfield if you are not healthy. Less deaths now in the world, because now most of infected are around 20, but not far from 1 million deaths in the world.

McAdonis
09-20-20, 19:04
For both France and Spain, new case infections are at their all-time highest levels. For countries, that are dependent on tourism, this could be considered "shooting themselves in the foot". France's peak in the spring was 7578. During strictest lockdown period it was 100-500 new cases per day. On September 19th, the all time highest peak was reached 13498. For those who said Anglo countries can't be bothered, reference Australia. On September 19th, they had 20 new infections, so basically their daily average during peak of lockdown. RE: Young people partying, I always though Aussies were much harder partier, and they even kiss each other on cheek when drunk.

Sirioja
09-21-20, 14:16
For both France and Spain, new case infections are at their all-time highest levels. For countries, that are dependent on tourism, this could be considered "shooting themselves in the foot". France's peak in the spring was 7578. During strictest lockdown period it was 100-500 new cases per day. On September 19th, the all time highest peak was reached 13498. For those who said Anglo countries can't be bothered, reference Australia. On September 19th, they had 20 new infections, so basically their daily average during peak of lockdown. RE: Young people partying, I always though Aussies were much harder partier, and they even kiss each other on cheek when drunk.In France, we have many cases because now more than 1 million tests per week, people are becoming crazy, my only test is full effort with heart in red zone on my bicycle, when doctors ask professional athletes not to make sport and effort when they get covid. But real figures are between 10 and 20 deaths per day now in France, fortunately much less than on Spring, not more than from any infection, and more deaths since beginning for only city of NY than in whole France with not far from 70 millions people. Most of our new cases now are young people who don't respect safety rules because they know they don't have much risk. They are just not clever enough to think about their relatives risks.

HammerTime96
09-21-20, 18:20
An open letter by Belgian doctors to all Belgian authorities and all Belgian media, calling for an end to the madness:

https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/

This letter debunks many of the hysterical measures, like face masks, social distancing, lockdowns and it questions the feasibility of a "vaccine."

Contrary to popular believe, the authors are not "fake news conspiracy nutcases" but back up their claims with scientific evidence.

It also shatters the usability of the PCR test as a reliably method of testing:


The creator expressly warned that this test was intended for research and not for diagnostics.
By the way, talking about testing, here is the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, in his own words: https://www.bitchute.com/video/vsKaBsWhC3CQ/.


”It is just a proces that is used to make a whole lot of something out of something. It doesn’t tell you that you are sick and it doesn’t tell you that the thing ended up with really was gonna hurt you or anything like that”From the Belgian article above:


A highly contagious virus with millions of deaths without any treatment?
Mortality turned out to be many times lower than expected and close to that of a normal seasonal flu (0.2%)

Paulie97
09-21-20, 21:44
An open letter by Belgian doctors to all Belgian authorities and all Belgian media, calling for an end to the madness:

https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/

This letter debunks many of the hysterical measures, like face masks, social distancing, lockdowns and it questions the feasibility of a "vaccine."

Contrary to popular believe, the authors are not "fake news conspiracy nutcases" but back up their claims with scientific evidence.Give it rest Hammer Time. The mere fact that your article referenced these "America's Frontline Doctors" quacks, none of which are contagious disease specialists and some are outright buffoons, proves that you bring a lame source. They are laughing stocks in my country. The most hilarious one of this crew is a woman pediatrician who works out of low rent strip mall in Texas. She claims to have a cure for Covid, ie. The Trump drug, hydroxychloroquine + some vitamin supplement. She is also a preacher on the side and talks on her website about the perils of having sex with demons.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/03/americas-frontline-doctors-dangerous-viral-video-column/5550377002/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

What an absolute joke. Virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet supports masks and social distancing, plus it's just common sense based on how the disease is spread. That's how you promote economies, with the precautions that a lot of people are going to take anyway out of self-preservation. You'll get to poke hookers on your terms soon enough. As for now no one feels sorry for you, nor should they. LOL.

HammerTime96
09-22-20, 05:16
Give it rest Hammer Time.Then what are you doing on a hooker / sex forum?

If you get your 'news' from the mainstream media then you better get married and stop living because according to them prostitution is "dirty" and the women in the business are "victims."

Pistons
09-22-20, 06:56
What an absolute joke. Virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet supports masks and social distancing, plus it's just common sense based on how the disease is spread. That's how you promote economies, with the precautions that a lot of people are going to take anyway out of self-preservation. You'll get to poke hookers on your terms soon enough. As for now no one feels sorry for you, nor should they. LOL.Actually, doctors and health officials in the country where I live and scandinavia as a whole went out piblicly in the newspapers several times for months proclaiming how masks were useless.

But then something changed about a month and a half ago after USA started adopting them. And from what my own secret sources are telling me, this was forced upon us from the global deep state.

What the report says regarding vaccines is also spot on and what I've heard from several doctors off duty. But on duty, they are not allowed to say this. Or in case they have been brainwashed and cannot think for themselves and lack knowledge.

Vaccine.

Survey studies on influenza vaccinations show that in 10 years we have only succeeded three times in developing a vaccine with an efficiency rate of more than 50%. Vaccinating our elderly appears to be inefficient. Over 75 years of age, the efficacy is almost non-existent. 38.

Due to the continuous natural mutation of viruses, as we also see every year in the case of the influenza virus, a vaccine is at most a temporary solution, which requires new vaccines each time afterwards. An untested vaccine, which is implemented by emergency procedure and for which the manufacturers have already obtained legal immunity from possible harm, raises serious questions. 39 40 We do not wish to use our patients as Guinea pigs.

On a global scale, 700 000 cases of damage or death are expected as a result of the vaccine. 41.

If 95% of people experience Covid-19 virtually symptom-free, the risk of exposure to an untested vaccine is irresponsible.

Pistons
09-22-20, 10:12
I always though Aussies were much harder partier, and they even kiss each other on cheek when drunk.I believe that is being done in a lot of countries.

ExpatLover
09-22-20, 12:11
EL: you can do what you want, I will not visit any prostitute for the time being, second I am very careful and strictly follow the rules. I have no sex addiction and I'm able to control my libido so I don't need to find excuses, I believe that covid 19 is a aggressive virus, I am healthy therefore I think even I get infected I have high chances to survive but I don't want to catch it, and all this make my finances getting better and better:

Pessimist
09-22-20, 18:20
Give it rest Hammer Time. The mere fact that your article referenced these "America's Frontline Doctors" quacks, none of which are contagious disease specialists and some are outright buffoons, proves that you bring a lame source. They are laughing stocks in my country. The most hilarious one of this crew is a woman pediatrician who works out of low rent strip mall in Texas. She claims to have a cure for Covid, ie. The Trump drug, hydroxychloroquine + some vitamin supplement. She is also a preacher on the side and talks on her website about the perils of having sex with demons.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/03/americas-frontline-doctors-dangerous-viral-video-column/5550377002/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

What an absolute joke. Virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet supports masks and social distancing, plus it's just common sense based on how the disease is spread. That's how you promote economies, with the precautions that a lot of people are going to take anyway out of self-preservation. You'll get to poke hookers on your terms soon enough. As for now no one feels sorry for you, nor should they. LOL.This Hammer dude has no credibility. It is not even clear what his agenda is. To a large extent, he keeps repeating the same talking points I see on QAnon, Brietbart and other such far right sites. But Brietbart is a political place. Over there, even if commenters know in their hearts that Covid is dangerous or that masks are beneficial they have to repeat their lies / talking points because they need to support their chosen nominee. But it defies logic and common sense why someone would choose to repeat that nonsense ad nauseum on this site. This is not a political site. We are all bound by a common interest of paid sex, and specifically around here in paid sex in Germany. What is the point of repeating these Trumpian political rants on these German FKK threads? Most of the commenters here do not vote in US. Most have no tangible interest in US politics. Except in the US, mask has not been a political issue anywhere else, neither have Lysol / HcQ / UV radiation etc. Most of the rest of the world dealt with the virus as best as they could with some better than others as expected, but basic stuff such as "Covid could be harmful", "it is better to take some common sense precautions" have not been disputed. Asians have forever been wearing their masks, heck they seem to wear them even in perfectly benign times; anytime I visit HK / Seoul / Taipei I see tons of people walking around in masks. And guess what, all of those places escaped with minimal to no death toll. If some local Hammer dude began spouting this nonsense on Korean or Taiwanese chat boards about Covid being harmless, that masks are useless blah blah, he would be run out of town.

At this time, the best thing to do is ignore this man. Oh, his other favorite tactic is a Trumpian bombast -- anyone who disputes him is a fool, is clueless etc. Actually, he thinks anyone who does not loudly cheer his crazy cuckoo whackadoodle nonsense is foolish. Very typical of such people.

DukesFord
09-23-20, 15:07
Hey,

Is it possible to create a thread of the all the clubs and fill in if they are Open / Closed, Date to Open and rules. Then if we could keep it in it's own thread at the top of the German FKKs, that would be very efficient (we called threads/posts that remained at the top a sticky post/thread)? We had this in a fraternity form in college 12 years ago and it was amazing. It's better / more efficient then a reply in each individual threads.

Example:

Golden Time: Closed: Plan to Open: Beginning of October: Rules and / A.

LivingRoom: Open: Regular Hours (or whatever)? : Mask to be worn.

Etc.

Turgid
09-25-20, 15:28
To date there have been 989,055 deaths from covid 19. I recently read this: "Up to 650,000 deaths annually are associated with respiratory diseases from seasonal influenza, according to new estimates by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (US-CDC), the World Health Organization and global health partners. ". I don't know what to make of it.

Palcon
09-25-20, 16:03
To date there have been 989,055 deaths from covid 19. I recently read this: "Up to 650,000 deaths annually are associated with respiratory diseases from seasonal influenza, according to new estimates by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (US-CDC), the World Health Organization and global health partners. ". I don't know what to make of it.Theres a flu vaccine if there wasn't the deaths would be higher. As for Covid theres a lot of social distancing and quarantine measures in place, the number is probably also lower due to lack of testing. Look at the US and Brazil https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries Brazil is doing about 80% less testing than the US yet has the same number of cases / tests per 1 Million. Trump 2. 0 is in charge there the number should be a lot higher especially in poorer countries.

Pistons
09-25-20, 18:02
Let me say this one final time in here:

If you take the vaccine that will eventually come out, you are brainwashed beyond belief, and there is no hope for you. Total complete institutional brainwash.

Palcon
09-25-20, 19:43
Let me say this one final time in here:

If you take the vaccine that will eventually come out, you are brainwashed beyond belief, and there is no hope for you. Total complete institutional brainwash.Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.

Mursenary
09-25-20, 22:46
Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.I see people using the term "Guinea pig" as if the vaccines currently in development are not going through multiple phases of safety and efficacy trials with hundreds of thousands of volunteers prior to approval. The truth is that these vaccines, at least the ones to be approved by American authorities, are undergoing the same testing standards as other medications and immunizations. The difference is the speed in which the authorizing organizations are green lighting the trials to proceed and the fact that production has started prior to approval so that logistics of manufacturing does not delay distribution. Healthy skepticism is great but the flip side is being able to marvel at the fact that when bureaucracy and finances are eliminated, that the scientific community can develop a vaccine so quickly.

I second your criticism regarding the other poster though. With his line of thinking, polio, smallpox, mumps, and measles would still be ripping through society. Imagine all of the medical missionaries to third world countries that would have fallen ill without immunizations for yellow fever, typhoid fever, hepatitis, etc.

In 2016, the entire EU had 5000 cases of measles. Correlating with the anti-vax agenda and the reducing rates of immunizations, Europe climbed to over 100,000 cases in 2019!

Pistons
09-25-20, 22:59
Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.50 $? Hah! Good luck in that! Try euro.

Aside from your glaringly brainwashed US centric views on the world, I have avoided all vaccines as long as I have had the option to do so. Meaning from when I was old enough to see through the lies. Even when I was 11 I tried to skip measles vaccine at school. Only to be drugged down and injected the vaccine 2 weeks later with me strapped to the chair. Very draconic measures indeed. And just shows what a total control the devil has on this world.

Pistons
09-25-20, 23:02
Yes, even at age 11 I was smart enough to know how completely stupid a vaccine was. I had just had one of these other diseases for two weeks and was immune for life. Then a brainwashed nurse came at me with a vial full of poison telling me that if the vial broke, the entire room had to be decontaminated. What sort of brainiac wants that stuff in their veins?

Mursenary
09-26-20, 04:59
In 2016, the entire EU had 5000 cases of measles. Correlating with the anti-vax agenda and the reducing rates of immunizations, Europe climbed to over 100,000 cases in 2019!Hilarious that after submitting the post above, but before he could see it, this gets posted:


50 $? Hah! Good luck in that! Try euro.

Aside from your glaringly brainwashed US centric views on the world, I have avoided all vaccines as long as I have had the option to do so. Meaning from when I was old enough to see through the lies. Even when I was 11 I tried to skip measles vaccine at school. Only to be drugged down and injected the vaccine 2 weeks later with me strapped to the chair. Very draconic measures indeed. And just shows what a total control the devil has on this world.And that people, is why non-science people should never be allowed anywhere near rooms where adults are making policy decisions regarding health and science. This arrogant nutcase's line of thinking is the reason why measles, a nearly eradicated disease in the western world, has made a raging comeback. 20 fold increase in 4 years thanks to antivaxxers who make decisions based on hearsay, half truths, selfishness, and perceived self interest. Thank god his parents had enough sense to strap the devil child down.


In European region, there were about 5,000 cases of measles in 2016,24,000 in 2017 and 84,000 in 2018. According to recent WHO data, there have already been 90,000 measles cases in the first six months of this year. And the US is experiencing its biggest measles outbreak for 27 years.

All this raises the question: why do so many people believe unproven theories over the informed advice of medical doctors and public health authorities?

The internet plays a role. The aforementioned survey by the Royal Society for Public Health showed that half of the parents of children under five in the UK are often or sometimes exposed to negative messages about vaccines on social media and online forums.

Interestingly, a study published last year revealed that the same Russian trolls and bots that interfered in the US presidential elections on behalf of Donald Trump spread disinformation about vaccines. This suggests that the Russian state is using the topic of vaccine safety to spread discord in the West.https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-childhood-vaccination-coverage-statistics-for-england-in-2018-19/

Pistons
09-26-20, 06:57
Hilarious that after submitting the post above, but before he could see it, this gets posted:

And that people, is why non-science people should never be allowed anywhere near rooms where adults are making policy decisions regarding health and science. This arrogant nutcase's line of thinking is the reason why measles, a nearly eradicated disease in the western world, has made a raging comeback. 20 fold increase in 4 years thanks to antivaxxers who make decisions based on hearsay, half truths, selfishness, and perceived self interest. Thank god his parents had enough sense to strap the devil child down.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-childhood-vaccination-coverage-statistics-for-england-in-2018-19/And that my friend is fake news!

Member #4733
09-26-20, 08:27
I have avoided all vaccines as long as I have had the option to do so. Meaning from when I was old enough to see through the lies. Even when I was 11 I tried to skip measles vaccine at school. Only to be drugged down and injected the vaccine 2 weeks later with me strapped to the chair Very draconic measures indeed. And just shows what a total control the devil has on this world.I have wondered at several of your contributions in the past. It seemed so different from my own experience. Now I got a clue why that is so. Thanks so much for this info.

The Cane
09-26-20, 13:17
Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.I will wait at least one year before I even think about taking a COVID-19 vaccine once one becomes generally available. I don't think that will happen in the United States until next spring (late) or summer. If that means I won't be able to travel internationally, then so be it. The year 2020 has been a wash, but that's OK for me since I didn't plan to travel overseas for a change anyway in 2020. I'm prepared to take 2021 off too. No matter. I'll just keep building up a war chest of "funding". Then when the time comes, I'll be back on it! But, I need to take a "wait and see" approach on these vaccines they're rushing to market. When I'm convinced one is safe, then I will take it. Let somebody else be the "lab mice".

Turgid
09-26-20, 15:53
I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.

PumDiPum
09-26-20, 16:12
Whether? End of May, Berlin had 10 ish new confirmed cases per day. Now near 200 almost every day this week. This is classic tragedy of commons problem; individual gain hurts larger group overall. As one of only FKKs open, men coming from all over. More and more research shows airborne transmission key, and particles can remain airborn between 30-120 min. Uncertain but key part of new research as very important. Air flow in rooms, showers, even main room by bar not sufficient exchange. Asymptomatic guests, girls, etc. Sorry but this is receipe for spread and disaster. You see everywhere in Spain, France, Switzerland, US (Texas, Florida, California) what happens when people just stop serious thinking. Only matter of time before this bites us hard. Please use big head brain, not little loveworm brain. Not easy being adult sometimes.Ninja,

Just to help you to find your way back in your turtle tank.

Nowadays they are testing way much more than in may. Only about 1% of all tests are positive, like in may. So no increase here. Positive also doesn't mean sick. The number of people in hospitals is today way much lower than it was in may. Berlin has over 3 million citizens, 200, even 10.000 daily positive PCR tests would be nothing in relation to the number of people. The PCR test isn't 100% accurate, I told about. You find with it also old, dead, inactive virus rests. We have 4 different Coronavirus, the PCR test can't differ. It is also not possible to meet anyone of these official positive tested persons, because their are isolated, "healthcare" authorities are watching over that nobody leaves quarantine. Healthy people with a positive PCR test are locked up! They still forcing people (even children) to get tested and for what? The thing with the brain and the thinking is not that difficult. But brain needs fresh air, better to take off masks.

Who is making big money right now?

"Individual gain hurts larger group overall."

What? Seriously, What? You consuming too much quality media. The majority is suffering from many many "little" restrictions on basic rights because a minority is scared (has to be scared after following traditional media) of getting maybe sick.

Everybody should ask himself, if you're "positive" without symptoms, how many high infectious virus you're spreading around compared to someone who is "positive" with heavy symptoms like high temperature and coughing the soul out all day long.

Protect the high risk group as good as possible (if they want) and take away all the restrictions on basic rights of the people. Now!

Otherwise you see what happens in Spain, Canada, France, Austria, Swiss all over the world. Demonstrations every weekend against the criminal organisations, called governments.

Mursenary
09-26-20, 16:47
I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.Sarcasm noted. Vitriol comes from the fact that they spread beliefs that are unfounded by sound science. I'm uneasy about the idea of mandatory vaccinations, mandatory anything for that matter, but understand that it is for the common good. I can understand if someone makes the "personal freedom" argument, but ones based on bullshit science is irritating, harmful, and perpetuate more ignorance and misinformation in the world.

It's not as if it is victimless behavior. While most vaccinated people remain protected, vaccines have minimum age requirements because a child's immune system is not properly developed until a certain age or they might require a series of vaccinations before immunization is achieved, leaving them susceptible until the final shot. Immunocompromised adults such as cancer patients and some senior citizens who cannot take vaccines are also at risk from these unvaccinated "Ebola monkeys" and their unvaccinated offspring.

Lastly, these people's actions keep the disease from being eradicated, forcing the rest of us to keep getting immunized. We no longer take the smallpox vaccine because it has been eradicated by vaccination. The polio vaccine is on it's way out the door and only exist in a handful of countries. Measles was on it's way out too, potentially eliminating one more infectious disease, until these 21st century antivaxxers derailed the course of good public health.

Samplerr
09-26-20, 17:50
I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. Unless you live on a desert island, how can you not have a dog in this fight?

Mursenary
09-26-20, 19:27
And that my friend is fake news!Tell it to the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-may-2019-measles-euro/en/#text=As%20 of%2028%20 March%202019,and%2013%20 deaths%20 in%202016.

But then again, it seems that you always have privileged information not accessible to the rest of us peasants. Super mega eye roll emoji.

Nooky Ninja
09-26-20, 19:29
Ninja, Just to help you to find your way back in your turtle tank.Demonstrations every weekend against the criminal organisations, called governments.PdP. Don't need help, thanks. Appreciate ExPat comments. Shoobree - did not realize that going to Artemis is really living life, but good to know. Ninja try one time more only to offer reasons why this not political freedom issue.

German testing been good for many many months so argument that uptick in numbers "due to testing" not true. Numbers up everywhere in EU. Yes for moment mostly young people, and treatment getting better so death rates holding. In certain cities already ITC / ICU beds under stress. Young people also meet older people, and in any case there are lags after spikes. Look at USA, Spain, French, Swiss, UK data last 3 weeks. And we just now begin cold weather. Plus people now going to FKK on both sides know risks are much higher than normal. It means both mongers and girls are by nature higher risk takers, which makes situation even riskier. Berlin Senate meets next Tues to debate whether tightening needed. Bars, restaurants, and no doubt bordellos will be discussed.

Just wanted to inject realism into "whoopy, back to fucking" reports. Pandemic is different; not just you make your choice for yourself and then you alone reap consequences. Choice is individual; consequence is social. And of course when shit hits fan, everyone expects "criminal" governments to step up and pick up pieces and inject massive bailouts to protect jobs and health system and fund vaccine development.

Ninja really miss the good old days. Many great times at A. Many friends there. Just now is not the time. Maybe with proven vaccine, next summer. If if if.

Ninja have doctor friends (even some who enjoy P4P) - all say this is very reckless. So Ninja suggest before you all queue up, ask your personal doctor if it is a good idea to go Artemis, explain how it will work. Since you are convinced you can manage the risks, you will not be afraid to ask this simple question to your own doctor, in private. Last words on subject.

Pessimist
09-26-20, 21:13
So while a ton of ink has been spilled discussing and fighting over the Swedish model, the worst performer appears to be UK. Per OECD forecast in today's FT, UK is looking at real GDP of -10% while Euro area is going to beat nearly -8%, USA -4%. On Covid deaths, UK is at 41.9 K total deaths, some 6 K higher than next in EU (Italy); even on per population basis, UK and USA are in the worst 10 in the world (620 to 630 deaths per million population), Spain is at 660, and only Belgium is at a higher level in EU and among developed countries (860). Sweden is at 580.

And with UK facing the prospect of Brexit with no deal by year end, things don't look too bright on the other side of the pond for our British cousins. At least you have a short flight to FKKs, so that is something I guess.

Pistons
09-26-20, 21:58
Tell it to the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-may-2019-measles-euro/en/#text=As%20 of%2028%20 March%202019,and%2013%20 deaths%20 in%202016.

But then again, it seems that you always have privileged information not accessible to the rest of us peasants. Super mega eye roll emoji.World Hoax Organization.

It should be a stated fact now with the covid crisis that this organization is filled with corruption.

Chongmal
09-26-20, 22:02
Sarcasm noted. Vitriol comes from the fact that they spread beliefs that are unfounded by sound science. I'm uneasy about the idea of mandatory vaccinations, mandatory anything for that matter, but understand that it is for the common good. I can understand if someone makes the "personal freedom" argument.I just read that the UK is to become the first country to admittedly purposefully infect volunteers to test the effectiveness of vaccines. I would volunteer if they promised travel free restriction and Sauna Club fun time afterwards, given I survived the tests.

Pistons
09-26-20, 22:08
I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.Indeed. While anti-vaxxers just want provaxxers instantly dead due to the idea that the world is better off without people not thinking for themselves.

The thing is that all studies show humans think alike in similar discussions regarding life and survivability. So I don't buy it. I think provaxxers just want anti-vaxxers to get vaccine damaged for life.

Look, life finds a way. Either all the people without natural immunization to a virus get extinct. Or all the people who does not get vaccine damage due to a vaccine die out.

I choose nature.

Rocky V
09-26-20, 23:50
Tell it to the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-may-2019-measles-euro/en/#text=As%20 of%2028%20 March%202019,and%2013%20 deaths%20 in%202016.

But then again, it seems that you always have privileged information not accessible to the rest of us peasants. Super mega eye roll emoji.Waste of time, mate! These people do not recognise scientific literature as a credible source of information. They prefer to listen to random blogs or youtube, such as David Icke's. He does not believe in the existence of covid-19, but he believes some of the world leaders (including the Queen) are actually lizards!

Pistons
09-27-20, 00:41
I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.In reality, it is very much self interest that drives all these brainwashed medical personnel to be so much into pro vaccinations.

Because what many vaccines does is to mess with our immune system. Activating it half way constantly due to these crippled viruses or bacterias the vaccines have. Crippled in a way that our immune system can never kill them off completely, while still trying. But is thus left with less juice when all other diseases later arrives. Thus bringing in more money to the medical industry and their corrupt business where they steal from nature and try and patent living organisms. Just by adding some minute unnecessary details.

It is the most draconic industry worldwide, and thus is to cover up their tracks more than any other industries worldwide. As is easily seen statistically in who the largest spenders on lobbying is.

Pistons
09-27-20, 00:43
https://www.investopedia.com/investing/which-industry-spends-most-lobbying-antm-so/#text=Over%20 the%20 past%2022%20 years, electronics%20 manufacturing%2 C%20 and%20 business%20 associations.

Well worth a read!

Mursenary
09-27-20, 01:56
Waste of time, mate! These people do not recognise scientific literature as a credible source of information. They prefer to listen to random blogs or youtube, such as David Icke's. He does not believe in the existence of covid-19, but he believes some of the world leaders (including the Queen) are actually lizards!Yeah, you're right. Look at the posts. Dude never really cites anyone with credibility much less anything peer reviewed. What's even more sad is the constant obsession with American culture and politics. Like what's the connection between European measles rates to American healthcare profiteers? Someone has insignificant nation syndrome. On par though, dude messaged me to keep quiet about masks usefulness in clubs in fear of club owners enforcing mask requirements. Selfishness and disregard for the health of others, much like his stance on vaccination, complete disregard for other humans with a stance based on pure selfish intent. I suspect his views on vaccination just stems from a bed-wetting fear of needles. Pussy. Hah!

Rocky V
09-27-20, 12:32
In reality, it is very much self interest that drives all these brainwashed medical personnel to be so much into pro vaccinations.

Because what many vaccines does is to mess with our immune system. Activating it half way constantly due to these crippled viruses or bacterias the vaccines have. Crippled in a way that our immune system can never kill them off completely, while still trying. But is thus left with less juice when all other diseases later arrives. Thus bringing in more money to the medical industry and their corrupt business where they steal from nature and try and patent living organisms. Just by adding some minute unnecessary details.

It is the most draconic industry worldwide, and thus is to cover up their tracks more than any other industries worldwide. As is easily seen statistically in who the largest spenders on lobbying is.Wow, I'm in awe with your inspiring explanation of how vaccines work. I should have asked you instead of all those years spent studying science on all those 'brainwashing' medical books. You should definitely unleash this truth to the world because many governments and medics are still in the dark. My dear, the reason why many vaccines ARE made with inactivated viruses (this is actually a very old way of making vaccines and the inactivation process may not be always perfect, but for covid-19 they are not following this old procedure!) is that the immune system can produce antibodies against the virus without the need for the individual to develop the disease. What you describe as 'mess with your immune system" is called Immunological memory, which is the process by which we build protection in case we come into contact again with those viruses as we grow up.

Mr Ho
09-27-20, 13:05
As I have stated previously: to each their own. I fully respect the guys who say they will stay away whilst the virus is running wild in society. I have a slightly different viewpoint. I want to live my life to the full. I'm not prepared to put it on hold if I do not need to. And I consider I do not need to. So my big head rather than small head made this decision. There are other options if it was just small head. Escort one to one = easy. I didn't want that. I like to be amongst 60+ naked or near naked women. I'm glad FKKs are open.

C19 numbers are not going up (just or at all) because of FKKs. They go up when there is any form of social interaction. Teenagers have parties - 100's of people. Numbers increase. Are they more entitled to life their lives than me? If I choose to stay indoors to keep safe and my children in their early 20's come home and give me the virus is that fair? Shall we all just remain locked up for 5 years hoping it will go away? it will be there waiting for us!

The queues outside Artemis are there for a reason: there are a lot of people with the same mindset as me. Guys who want to live my life to the full whilst they have it - not knowing in these uncertain times how long that will be. In the unfortunate event I get the virus (for a second time. I had it in March 2020) in the next six months and die, I will forever be happy that I didn't waste my final days indoors frightened to go out and scared of my own shadow. Since the pandemic began I have been to 8 different countries. I have enjoyed every trip. More business than pleasure but happy to be travelling. There are many more illnesses killing far more people than this virus. We have become obsessed with it...You only live once! So you bravely did the right thing! If there is nobel prize monger award! You deserve it and it seems that you got what you paid for payforit because you paid for it both money and taking risk LOL!

Monger on monger!

However, I stick to masturbation hole and gel till pandemic is over LOL! I am glad I went to globe earlier this year to keep me calm for awhile because it is going to be long till I be in FKK land!

Turgid
09-27-20, 15:55
Unless you live on a desert island, how can you not have a dog in this fight?Because unlike most posters here I'm just not sure. The last time I took a vaccine was in the mid nineties when they came to my workplace. I can't recall what it was for. I experienced a difference physically but I really cannot say 100% that it was because of the vaccine. I won't go into the difference here. It was not a good difference. I do not trust people in power which is why I am somewhat skeptical in the first place.

Russia is testing an anti-covid 19 vaccine; will they deliberately introduce something pernicious into their population? I doubt that. Will China do that? Again highly doubtful. These countries want to dominate the world. Will the UK or Europe do that? Unlikely. Will India or Cuba harm their people? Not likely. What about the US? Now a country shipping vaccines to another country; say the US to Latin America or Africa. That's another story.

PumDiPum
09-27-20, 22:12
Thanks for your response. Being skeptical is okay, me too. A more or less packed Club is one of the highest "risks" someone could take at the moment. But nobody has to.

Show me also one human who didn't violated the "Corona rules" within the last 7 month at least once. Social distancing is not humans nature, ask a doctor.

Don't let the "system homies" dictate the life of "party terrorists"!


...German testing been good for many many months so argument that uptick in numbers "due to testing" not true. ..Last words on subject.Here I hold ground. The source "Wikipedia" (they're taking numbers from RKI).

For example, Week number 20 (7th to 14th of may 2020) (whole Germany).

Number of tests: 432.666.

Number of positive results: 7. 233.

Positive rate: 1. 7%.

Week number 38 (14th to 20th of September 2020).

Number of tests: 1. 085.518.

Number of positive results: 12.917.

Positive rate: 1. 2%.

There you go. More tests, more positive results, but a lower positive rate and also way less deadly sick people in hospitals.

A nation wide catastrophe? Restrictions to protect the health, to protect hospitals from collapsing, to protect the tracing scouts from getting overworked? No, no and again, no.

The reasons and explanations of government why they put restrictions on basic rights are weak, one sided, not to accept.

Other countries have stricter rules and higher numbers. Bad boys say: "The stricter the rules, the higher the numbers".

I promise Ninji, I try to continue protecting your life. But I am human, sometimes it goes into the pants.


..The form filling is a bit of a joke.No, it is not. Arrogant government who believes they can trace a virus and made this form filling a strict rule is a joke. But don't laugh out loud inside, infection protection is the religion everyone has to follow to stay in the "larger group".

No love for war talk.

McAdonis
09-28-20, 00:40
According to French forums, at the Living Room raid on September 17th, the authorities also controlled the male guests. The authorities photographed the identity documents of the male guests, ostensibly, to verify that their contact details matched the registration paperwork they filled out when paying entry at front desk. I assume that any Dutch, Belgian, and French guests from risk areas are probably going to have some explaining to do, if they are caught in a control.

ExpatLover
09-28-20, 04:38
I don't know for the other countries but for sure in France there will be no use of those data's. The police, the authorities are so weak, this country is just going down so fast in the last decades, so many uncontrolled areas, dealers.

BigBuddy69
09-28-20, 06:03
The thing is, your actual address doesn't have to be written on your ID card in France. Same for the driving license.

Sirioja
09-28-20, 10:16
According to French forums, at the Living Room raid on September 17th, the authorities also controlled the male guests. The authorities photographed the identity documents of the male guests, ostensibly, to verify that their contact details matched the registration paperwork they filled out when paying entry at front desk. I assume that any Dutch, Belgian, and French guests from risk areas are probably going to have some explaining to do, if they are caught in a control.Also reported on NL forum, with administration taking photos of ID. Thursday and Friday are riskiest days for controls, when LR is not welcome in Kaarst.

Chongmal
09-28-20, 11:36
According to French forums, at the Living Room raid on September 17th, the authorities also controlled the male guests. The authorities photographed the identity documents of the male guests, ostensibly, to verify that their contact details matched the registration paperwork they filled out when paying entry at front desk. I assume that any Dutch, Belgian, and French guests from risk areas are probably going to have some explaining to do, if they are caught in a control.So I understand, there was a control at LR again since it opened? Are any other clubs experiencing this or is it the Kaarst Phenomenon again, where LR is unusually frequently controlled?

Sirioja
09-28-20, 19:53
I don't know for the other countries but for sure in France there will be no use of those data's. The police, the authorities are so weak, this country is just going down so fast in the last decades, so many uncontrolled areas, dealers.Where do you live in France? So many Germans, UK, NL, Belgium, come to live in France, for a better quality of life than at home. Of course, if you go like a tourist in Marseille north suburb, or grande borne Grigny, but weren't women raped in Koln few years ago?

ExpatLover
09-28-20, 21:27
It is always the same story, when the reality is not the one we want the reality doesn't exist, I can name you in each big city in France places where for sure you will not go at night: Nimes, Grenoble, Strasbourg, Perpignan, Muhlouse. The only data's that you can trust in France are the number of homicide because they are coming from the Etat Civil, all the other data are manipulated by the politicians in order to explain to the French people that the criminality is under control.

2109: highest number of homicides ever. And all the specialists are saying that 2020 will be a lot worse.

Palcon
09-29-20, 01:16
I have wondered at several of your contributions in the past. It seemed so different from my own experience. Now I got a clue why that is so. Thanks so much for this info.LOL same here explains alot.