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Pessimist
11-07-20, 00:47
NY, NYC, New Yorker. Whatever. I have no idea where you got that idea but I could not care any less. The rest of your diatribe is barely coherent. My dad is a boomer and you repeatedly calling me a boomer does not hurt my feelings. An insult works when it hits close to home; you calling me a boomer is like me saying you are a fat Cambodian woman. Perhaps you get all worked up if someone calls you that but it does not work that way in case of normal people (not you).

I don't need to reference medscape entries about physician salaries; I have first hand info from a bunch of people quite close to me. I already said "unless one is a specialist comps are terrible; money is getting worse and work hours getting longer". As usual, your excessive anger clouds your reading. If you are a specialist, you can say so but I know you would be lying even more. Simply put, you are just a researcher and it would be good if you are proud of what you are. One family member is a EP and his hours are absolutely terrible (and even the EP is only at $450 and he is 10 years past his last fellowship). That is one example. You citing wiki to claim paperwork is a trope is a sick joke. Not one family member has said it is not true or not getting worse, and I see that first hand and quite often. Some come back home and still have to work. Some come home very late in the evenings. If there is a real doctor on this form, that person would know what I am talking about (not you).

Your macho BS about picking up women, dad bod and other nonsense shows what I said about your upbringing. I don't pick up women at the bar, I pay sugar babes. If you were picking up good looking chicks for free, you would not be running 6 times a year for a week each to German FKKs, would you? And you don't have a wife and no reason you can't do so. (and that is the other thing; not a single physician in my extended family gets that much time off; they have to plan months in advance to get any time off, finding someone to cover them when they are vacationing and most take at most a couple of weeks off in a year with great difficulty. That alone is a huge giveaway that you are absolutely bullcrapping. Not to mention when they do go on vacation, time is of a lot more value than cash and none of them scrimp).

Coming to the way you speak -- that is not the talk of a professional, that is the kind of junk one hears from uneducated blue collar workers whose identity comes from the stuff you are bragging about. I am envious of my senior partner because his net worth is north of $30 M and I could not care any less if he has a dad bod or dead bod. I am 15 years his junior. In much better shape, and he is not at all envious of me, but he knows I look up to him. The juniors in my office who have a better physique and more stamina do not bother me in the least. But your post confirms once more your urge to lash out in any which you can (a very Trumpian trait), constant references to physical attributes as a show of vanity but merely confirming your lack of class; my friends and I still trash talk in jest but it has been decades since anyone bragged about the kinds of stuff you harp, like picking up chicks, bod, yadda yadda. I am actually starting to wonder if you are even a researcher or in fact you are the lowly paid scribe you put a link to. And for a guy barely 5 years younger than me, you have no family, no GF apparently, not much financial security, have to fly to DE to get some action despite your physical attraction being your strongest suit in your own words, and you must be a huge disappointment to your Chinese parents.

Oh, no need for any impressive stalking skills. It is called search. You can use it to stalk me if you care.

McAdonis
11-07-20, 01:51
"Historically, China has not been seen as an enemy to the Muslim world".

Frankly, that is not the relevant issue.

First, if you keep litigating the wrongs of the past, then forget about the future and moving forward. Colonization ended at least 60 years ago for most colonies. Dig up the past, you will remain in the past.Whether the Middle East is wrong or misguided in "digging up the past", I make no judgement there. I am sticking to the original question: why Muslims do not seem to be outraged by Uyghur detention camps. The Middle East's distrust of the West is not just based on events that occurred 60 years ago. Even in 2020, there is a huge NATO troop presence in the region. They see the West as sowing internal strife. They feel that Western media has misrepresented and unfairly demonized them, and if Western media is capable of that, then that might be why they don't necessarily buy into the Western media narrative that China is persecuting Muslims indiscriminately or without cause. As I said before, China has 10 million Uyghur Muslims and 10 million Hui Muslims, but the Hui Muslims are rarely found amongst the detained. Many Muslim countries also struggle with their own Muslim terrorist threats: Sunni Muslim majority countries detain Shia Muslims and Turkey detains Kurdish Muslims.


France has not declared war on Islam either, to your point. But the Islamic practitioners living in France are offended if the French society does not live by their sensibilities, including respecting their Allah in cartoons.Just because millions of Muslims condemn Macron's criticism of Islam does not necessarily mean these same people support the beheaders. Freedom of expression exists in the West but there are left right boundaries. Holocaust denial is a criminal act 16 countries in Europe. Likewise, walking down the street with a Nazi flag will get you arrested. Austria has a law against "disparaging religious doctrines".

ShooBree
11-07-20, 02:18
Whether the Middle East is wrong or misguided in "digging up the past", I make no judgement there. I am sticking to the original question: why Muslims do not seem to be outraged by Uyghur detention camps. The Middle East's distrust of the West is not just based on events that occurred 60 years ago. Even in 2020, there is a huge NATO troop presence in the region. They see the West as sowing internal strife. They feel that Western media has misrepresented and unfairly demonized them, and if Western media is capable of that, then that might be why they don't necessarily buy into the Western media narrative that China is persecuting Muslims indiscriminately or without cause. As I said before, China has 10 million Uyghur Muslims and 10 million Hui Muslims, but the Hui Muslims are rarely found amongst the detained. Many Muslim countries also struggle with their own Muslim terrorist threats: Sunni Muslim majority countries detain Shia Muslims and Turkey detains Kurdish Muslims.

Just because millions of Muslims condemn Macron's criticism of Islam does not necessarily mean these same people support the beheaders. Freedom of expression exists in the West but there are left right boundaries. Holocaust denial is a criminal act 16 countries in Europe. Likewise, walking down the street with a Nazi flag will get you arrested. Austria has a law against "disparaging religious doctrines".Well, Muslims are guilty of sins in the past as well. Their occupation and attacks against Iberia and the Balkans are not to forget. Funny thing though, us Europeans moved past that.

Media is full of left-wingers and Islam huggers. They have if anything portrayed Islam and Muslims way too kind.

ShooBree
11-07-20, 02:35
Avatar, LOL. What a boomer. Welcome to the internet BTW.I don't get it, in what way is being a "boomer" something bad? Do you refer to your parents or grandparents as "boomers"? That lack of common decency says a lot about you.

You're obviously just a troll that never visited any FKK.

ShooBree
11-07-20, 02:44
Update:

MAGA hats are currently trending on Ebay at 25 to 50 cents. Get them while they're hot.

Clorox Bleach prices are holding steady, no change.Too bad for you that you can't but intelligence nor good health. I'll be out fucking around, pun intended, while you're stuck in your nursing home. Sux to be you.

Pahllus Maximus
11-07-20, 05:55
Just I thought claims and denials including small penis size, IQ, income, race etc, now we have ageism.

Is there anything missed? What about hair? Or shoes? Or vehicle? Polyester versus cotton shirts? Breaking the blunt or sharp end of a boiled egg?

Let's get back to the topic of banging beautiful women during the short time we have in life.

Peace!

Mursenary
11-07-20, 14:11
I don't get it, in what way is being a "boomer" something bad? Do you refer to your parents or grandparents as "boomers"? That lack of common decency says a lot about you.

You're obviously just a troll that never visited any FKK.You're so right! Not once!

Mursenary
11-07-20, 16:16
Just I thought claims and denials including small penis size, IQ, income, race etc, now we have ageism.
The conversation isnt through with them, however, not least because the rise of OK boomer has provoked concurrent backlash from baby boomers, many of whom have misread the meme, and feel it is motivated mainly by ageism. But that misreading also feeds the meme because baby boomers failing to understand the point of OK boomer is, well, the point of OK boomer.

Arguing with someone:

-pointless
-lots of anger
-they wont listen

ok boomer

-so useful
-lots of anger (from their end)
-literally the best invention of all timeOK Boomer.

Sirioja
11-07-20, 18:13
Now we are finding out he keeps changing his avatars. Someone mentioned TakeDown and I searched this site, and in less than a couple of minutes was able to find out he was accused (by Mr. Ho, The Cane and other members I recognize here) that he was using other avatars even at that time in addition to TakeDown; not to mention the same signature belligerence, a degree of aggression bordering on unhinged. Positively Trumpian. Even the opening salvo in any exchange with a member starts with a few mocking lines, a reference to personal attributes such as youth and some vague attractiveness (yeah, he is a runway model, that's right. Perhaps the guy wearing spongebob costume at the local park on a hot afternoon) coupled with more mocking (a guy barely 5 years younger than me calling me a boomer, as if he is a 28 yr NZ female parliamentarian). I am fairly certain he is no physician..Doctor in swinging state, south of US, I remember asking me for advice for a girl at LR on beginning of 2018 , when I don't need to ask to choose, telling me I improved my English practicing here, but I saw so many guys changing in this business, becoming jealous, bullshitting. I prefer now guys don't come to me, I don't need them. I prefer women.

Pessimist
11-07-20, 19:24
Just I thought claims and denials including small penis size, IQ, income, race etc, now we have ageism.

Is there anything missed? What about hair? Or shoes? Or vehicle? Polyester versus cotton shirts? Breaking the blunt or sharp end of a boiled egg?

Let's get back to the topic of banging beautiful women during the short time we have in life.

Peace!I disagree with Pistons that you and Mursnary are the avatars of the same person although you appear to be a good friend of his and a frequent supporter on this site. That said, I think your equivalence is wrong. There is only one man here who is hyper aggressive, makes personal insults within one or two comments, and descends into a brawl with many. Not only that, his personal insults are rarely targeted at the matter of discussion and he has a tendency to lash out in multiple directions. Most often they involve invoking some sort of superior intellect (laughable given that he is ashamed of his real avocation and claims to be a physician when he is a researcher), superior physical attributes (attractiveness, ability to pick up chicks blah coupled with calling others boomers and dad bods), superior connection with prostitutes (ability to obtain personal phone numbers), and so on. When I did a quick search, his prior avatar of TakeDown had a very similar pattern, including creating multiple side avatars in which he was coordinating attacks on other members, per the comments of members then. In one, he created a highly offensive name for the handle itself implying a homosexual physical link between two senior members here (Mr Cane and Mr Ho). Who goes to such lengths to insult anonymous members on this site in a deeply personal way?* BTW, my undergrad was in electrical engineering and I spent a few years doing semiconductor chip design prior to business school but this man with a supposedly a health sciences background has the temerity to say "welcome to the internet" to me. That is how his mind works. Make up any insult because it feels good to lash out.

Pessimist
11-07-20, 20:11
Congrats to the Biden / Harris and Dem supporters on this site.

I hope Trump would not make an ass of himself in the next 2+ months but if I was betting, my guess is that he most certainly will. It is because he makes an ass of himself that he was able to appeal to and bring out such a large turn out. If he was the graceful type (as Romney / McCain were), he would have lost by a bigger margin.

Turgid
11-07-20, 21:37
I disagree with Pistons that you and Mursnary are the avatars of the same person although you appear to be a good friend of his and a frequent supporter on this site. That said, I think your equivalence is wrong. There is only one man here who is hyper aggressive, makes personal insults within one or two comments, and descends into a brawl with many. Not only that, his personal insults are rarely targeted at the matter of discussion and he has a tendency to lash out in multiple directions. Most often they involve invoking some sort of superior intellect (laughable given that he is ashamed of his real avocation and claims to be a physician when he is a researcher), superior physical attributes (attractiveness, ability to pick up chicks blah coupled with calling others boomers and dad bods), superior connection with prostitutes (ability to obtain personal phone numbers), and so on. When I did a quick search, his prior avatar of TakeDown had a very similar pattern, including creating multiple side avatars in which he was coordinating attacks on other members, per the comments of members then. In one, he created a highly offensive name for the handle itself implying a homosexual physical link between two senior members here (Mr Cane and Mr Ho). Who goes to such lengths to insult anonymous members on this site in a deeply personal way?* BTW, my undergrad was in electrical engineering and I spent a few years doing semiconductor chip design prior to business school but this man with a supposedly a health sciences background has the temerity to say "welcome to the internet" to me. That is how his mind works. Make up any insult because it feels good to lash out.I remember Takedown well, he was a piece of work. On the other hand I never got into Mursenary's posts, I found them boring.

Sirioja
11-07-20, 21:40
Congrats to the Biden / Harris and Dem supporters on this site.

I hope Trump would not make an ass of himself in the next 2+ months but if I was betting, my guess is that he most certainly will. It is because he makes an ass of himself that he was able to appeal to and bring out such a large turn out. If he was the graceful type (as Romney / McCain were), he would have lost by a bigger margin.From Western Europe, better and more safe without crazy, Brazilian and Erdogan being enough, and I wish a better life with healthcare to Afros. Crazy will have time to improve for golf.

ExpatLover
11-07-20, 22:06
Congrats to the Biden / Harris and Dem supporters on this site.

I hope Trump would not make an ass of himself in the next 2+ months but if I was betting, my guess is that he most certainly will. It is because he makes an ass of himself that he was able to appeal to and bring out such a large turn out. If he was the graceful type (as Romney / McCain were), he would have lost by a bigger margin.Better he prepares himself for all the court trial that will come. Trump is a disaster for the image of the US, rude, liar, cheating, aggressive, selfish, egoistic. By by and I don't wish him all the best.

ShooBree
11-07-20, 22:14
You're so right! Not once!I know, I'm glad that you finally came clean.

Ararat
11-08-20, 00:00
You are same guy with the handle name Takedown! Stop using multiple account with different handle names as Pistons were pointing out in other thread and thank you for letting us know how often you logged in to forum as if we want to know such information how often you logged in, wow LOL!

Using several accounts is bad form. I agree with you on that.

Since I don't follow the gossip in the site I have a question. Whatever happened to the basket case that posted under several names before?

Mursenary
11-08-20, 03:23
When I did a quick search, his prior avatar of TakeDown had a very similar pattern, including creating multiple side avatars in which he was coordinating attacks on other members, per the comments of members then. In one, he created a highly offensive name for the handle itself implying a homosexual physical link between two senior members here (Mr Cane and Mr Ho).Let's see that post.


BTW, my undergrad was in electrical engineering and I spent a few years doing semiconductor chip design prior to business school but this man with a supposedly a health sciences background has the temerity to say "welcome to the internet" to me. That is how his mind works. Make up any insult because it feels good to lash out.Ah, an engineer. Figured as much.

Mursenary
11-08-20, 03:25
I remember Takedown well, he was a piece of work. On the other hand I never got into Mursenary's posts, I found them boring.We're complicated beings who go through phases. Give it some time. I won't letcha down!

ExpatLover
11-08-20, 09:35
Hi Ho,

Best you can do it just to ignore him, he doesn't deserve your time, put your energy in positive things, as you told us you are very lucky in Japan you can date students.

Pistons
11-08-20, 10:17
Mursenary is also Phallus Maximus. This is getting silly.

Sirioja
11-08-20, 13:16
From Western Europe, better and more safe without crazy, Brazilian and Erdogan being enough, and I wish a better life with healthcare to Afros. Crazy will have time to improve for golf.Really incredible and scaring to see people with war weapons, kind of kalashnikoff, playing Rambo, threatening in streets, just in front of White House. Really crazy dangerous country which really need new peace to come without crazy as leader. They already have sanitary war with so many deaths, economic crisis with high unemployment with how many numerous millions people who can t have healthcare, who don t have insurance, who can t pay for, mostly Afros, like Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, Jesse Owens, US icons, when Michael Jackson wanted to become white.

Mursenary
11-08-20, 15:26
Oh, no need for any impressive stalking skills. It is called search. You can use it to stalk me if you care.I don't.


Unless they are specialists; the internists and pediatricians and family medicine guys and others are toiling at sub-$200 K.
I don't need to reference medscape entries about physician salaries; I have first hand info from a bunch of people quite close to me.

I already said "unless one is a specialist comps are terrible; money is getting worse and work hours getting longer". As usual, your excessive anger clouds your reading.

Side note: Opinion on your stalking skills took a bit of a hit as I have no idea why you are referencing the lowest paying primary care providers

my assumption is that it was intentionally misleading.So you prefer anecdotal evidence over data. Got it, but that's clearly not a good habit as your quoted numbers are in themselves wrong when compared against actual, documented, national numbers. You might want to reexamine your own reading skills as I think your "unless" caveat was addressed by the above comment.

But I will reiterate that I choose my words wisely regarding my profession so you might want to look more closely instead of making so many assumptions.


That is one example. You citing wiki to claim paperwork is a trope is a sick joke. Not one family member has said it is not true or not getting worse, and I see that first hand and quite often. Some come back home and still have to work. Some come home very late in the evenings.I don't think you fully understand the term "trope," as it does not imply that there is no truth. It does; however, have a connotation of themes that are overplayed, overly simplistic, or incomplete in reference to the entire truth. I don't know many critical care or emergency physicians struggling with documentation or taking work home especially in facilities that utilize scribes, hence the reference. But I guess that doesn't fit your limited narrative.


If you were picking up good looking chicks for free, you would not be running 6 times a year for a week each to German FKKs, would you?Your stalking skills are either even better than I thought or you have a bug whispering in your ear. I wonder. I have visions of a couple of dorks collaborating.

Anyway, if you can't see the appeal of fucking multiple girls every day for 2 weeks versus having to work for it with the chance of failure then I don't know what to tell you. But continue with the false dichotomies.


not a single physician in my extended family gets that much time off; they have to plan months in advance to get any time off, finding someone to cover them when they are vacationing and most take at most a couple of weeks off in a year with great difficulty. That alone is a huge giveaway that you are absolutely bullcrapping. Not to mention when they do go on vacation, time is of a lot more value than cash and none of them scrimp.Your reliance on tropes betray you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locum


Coming to the way you speak -- that is not the talk of a professional, that is the kind of junk one hears from uneducated blue collar workers whose identity comes from the stuff you are bragging about.

I am envious of my senior partner because his net worth is north of $30 M and I could not care any less if he has a dad bod or dead bod. I am 15 years his junior. In much better shape, and he is not at all envious of me, but he knows I look up to him. The juniors in my office who have a better physique and more stamina do not bother me in the least. But your post confirms once more your urge to lash out in any which you can (a very Trumpian trait), constant references to physical attributes as a show of vanity but merely confirming your lack of class;Dang man, why you got to go so hard on the blue collar dudes? You seem to tie a lot of self-worth to salary and money. You know what wealthy people don't do? Speak so much about wealth. It's just not classy, not to mention a gross way to look at life.


my friends and I still trash talk in jest but it has been decades since anyone bragged about the kinds of stuff you harp, like picking up chicks, bod, yadda yadda.

And for a guy barely 5 years younger than me, you have no family, no GF apparently, not much financial security, have to fly to DE to get some action despite your physical attraction being your strongest suit in your own words.Speaking of brag, I guess bragging about money is okay? Gross.

I have financial security issues? Have to fly to get action? Hmmm.

Please quote where you think I brag especially where physical attraction being my strongest suit. I many stronger suits!

Seriously, let's see a quote that you deem qualifies as bragging. Maybe if I know your threshold for bragging, I can try to not offend your insecurities in the future.


you must be a huge disappointment to your Chinese parents.pThey'd be pretty surprise to learn that they are Chinese. Oh that's right, you're a racist, hick that think all Asians are the same.

Tuber19
11-08-20, 20:20
Merkel: Nurses and doctors vaccinate first against coronavirus.

https://rejerusalem.com/287436/merkel-nurses-and-doctors-vaccinate-first-against-coronavirus/

((The federal government hopes that the first vaccines will be approved very soon. "So of course there will not be enough vaccines available", said the Chancellor and stressed: "No one will be forced to be vaccinated, it is a voluntary decision".

Preparations for a vaccination campaign are underway. Federal states have planned their own vaccination centers. It remains to be seen how much vaccine will be available and how long that vaccine will be immunized. The main task is to make the population as a whole immune to the virus. If 60 to 70 percent of the population are immune by vaccination or a disease from which they have suffered the virus is "more or less defeated," Merkel said. " *Then we can also lift all the restrictions* " she said.)).

Lets hope this is done ASAP.

HammerTime96
11-08-20, 21:04
Of course, anyone with 2 braincells could have figured out that a vaccination against a permanently mutating Corona virus is not going to work, but the lies and scaremongering of geriatric people afraid of a flu and their own shadow seem to have the loudest voice here on ISG.

For all the fools still hoping for a "vaccine:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/who-looking-at-how-a-covid-mutation-among-minks-may-impact-a-vaccine.html

"The detection of the mutated virus among minks has raised questions about the effectiveness of a future Covid-19 vaccine."

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2259178-is-a-dangerous-new-coronavirus-strain-circulating-in-farmed-mink/

"The Danish prime minister described the mutated virus as "a serious risk to public health and to the development of a vaccine."

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54842643

"Every time the virus spreads between animals it changes, and if it changes too much from the one that is circulating within humans at the moment, that might mean that any vaccine or treatment that will be produced soon might not work as well as it should do," she explained."

Sirioja
11-08-20, 21:42
Second wave just starting, will kill many, and already telling about third wave. I will play Zlatan Ibrahimovic, no vaccine for me. Chinese and Russian vaccines should not be allowed in France. Wish for US, Biden will have power very soon, rather than crazy golfer, before too many new deaths there.

ExpatLover
11-08-20, 22:00
Merkel: Nurses and doctors vaccinate first against coronavirus.

https://rejerusalem.com/287436/merkel-nurses-and-doctors-vaccinate-first-against-coronavirus/

((The federal government hopes that the first vaccines will be approved very soon. "So of course there will not be enough vaccines available", said the Chancellor and stressed: "No one will be forced to be vaccinated, it is a voluntary decision".

Preparations for a vaccination campaign are underway. Federal states have planned their own vaccination centers. It remains to be seen how much vaccine will be available and how long that vaccine will be immunized. The main task is to make the population as a whole immune to the virus. If 60 to 70 percent of the population are immune by vaccination or a disease from which they have suffered the virus is "more or less defeated," Merkel said. " *Then we can also lift all the restrictions* " she said.)).

Lets hope this is done ASAP.Nobody knows if the vaccine is efficient, it seems that the covid 19 is able to mute very fast so the vaccine like for the normal flue is far less efficient.

Mursenary
11-09-20, 00:15
Nobody knows if the vaccine is efficient, it seems that the covid 19 is able to mute very fast so the vaccine like for the normal flue is far less efficient.Yes most viruses mutate very fast in comparison to multicellular organisms. But that fact may or may not be relevant. Most viruses and unicellular organisms mutate all the time. Even human somatic cells have a degree of consistent "mutation. " They can happen by exogenous causes (radiation) but so much more often during the replication processes. The reason that it is often not of any relevance is that most mutations have zero consequence. For mutations to be an issue in vaccine recognition, first the mutation must be expressed. And even if expressed, it has to be at an antigen site in which antibodies bind. Then the change of binding site must be significant enough so that antibodies no longer recognize it. That itself is not a black or white scenario. Usually it's that the binding just has various degrees of lowering affinity. It takes many things to go right for a microbial mutation to be so drastic as to make a vaccine completely ineffective. And in reality it's not that there's a purposeful mutation, but rather just a case of genetic selection in which a specific genetic variation allows that particular "strain" to spread unchecked. Furthermore, the genetic variation must be both specific enough to be located at the site of antigen recognition but not alter the pathogenicity of the virus. That is why vaccines are developed to recognize antigens that are associated with pathogenicity. Very few exceptions exists due to their nature such retroviruses like HIV that become latent and "hides" while also exhausting immune cell resources. Or influenza because it mutates extremely fast. In comparison to the 24 HR and 6 HR life cycles of HIV and Influenza, coronaviruses sit for days. Days in comparison to hours.

Point in short is that the scary idea of mutating viruses is just that, scarier than it sounds. Possible to render a vaccine useless, but more often than not, they are insignificant.

Palcon
11-09-20, 01:22
Nobody knows if the vaccine is efficient, it seems that the covid 19 is able to mute very fast so the vaccine like for the normal flue is far less efficient.It's meant to boost population confidence. Nurse, doctors, old folks, and possibly students first would be my best guess. It will be amazing if the nurses / doctors who are busting their asses to save folks fall ill themselves.

Paulie97
11-09-20, 01:56
Of course, anyone with 2 braincells could have figured out that a vaccination against a permanently mutating Corona virus is not going to work, but the lies and scaremongering of geriatric people afraid of a flu and their own shadow seem to have the loudest voice here on ISG.

For all the fools still hoping for a "vaccine:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/who-looking-at-how-a-covid-mutation-among-minks-may-impact-a-vaccine.html

"The detection of the mutated virus among minks has raised questions about the effectiveness of a future Covid-19 vaccine."

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2259178-is-a-dangerous-new-coronavirus-strain-circulating-in-farmed-mink/

"The Danish prime minister described the mutated virus as "a serious risk to public health and to the development of a vaccine."

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54842643

"Every time the virus spreads between animals it changes, and if it changes too much from the one that is circulating within humans at the moment, that might mean that any vaccine or treatment that will be produced soon might not work as well as it should do," she explained."The jury is still very much out on this one, though Hammer Hammer is jumping to conclusions, saying what the scientists aren't saying, grasping for any kind of face saving on a monger board. Below is a quote from the CNBC article you linked, and we should take this to heart. Hammer BTW, how did you like the election results? Take heart though as there will still be plenty of conspiracy theories for you to chase down, more than enough to keep you busy. And that clown / loser Trump will still be around to help you along.

"We have to look at that viral evolution, we have to create the biosecurity around farms like that so that there is not that contact back with human populations. And we have to address all of those issues. But, right now, the evidence that we have does not suggest that this variant is in any way different in the way it behaves," he added.

Ryan said the WHO would have to evaluate whether the mutation of the virus among the mink population is different in terms of its clinical severity or whether there is any implication for diagnostics or vaccines. "But we are a long, long way away from making any determination of that kind," he said.

Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, the World Health Organization's chief scientist, said it would be unwise to jump to any conclusions following reports of the mutated virus found among mink farms in Denmark.

"I think that we need to wait and see what the implications are, but I don't think we should come to any conclusions about whether this particular mutation is going to impact vaccine efficacy or not," Swaminathan said.

"We don't have any evidence at the moment that it would. But we will update you as we get more information."

HammerTime96
11-09-20, 10:07
Look at the data: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc.

Sweden's "death per millions" has flat-lined since July, but in the rest of Europe with their stupid lockdowns and face diaper 'strategy,' not so much.

HammerTime96
11-09-20, 10:34
The jury is still very much out on this one, though Hammer Hammer is jumping to conclusions....You obviously didn't see the question mark in the title of my post.

Ask yourself this: "why hasn't anybody made a good vaccine yet for the normal cold and the seasonal flu during the last 20-30-40 years?

So why would anybody now be able to quickly make a vaccine in 1 year time, against a constantly mutating virus?

As the saying goes, "hope dies last." Keep on hoping for the impossible, and keep on ignoring the natural solution that has worked for thousands of years that is right in front of your nose: herd immunity!

Look at the Swedish numbers: flat-lining since July, while the rest of Europe keeps on slowly rising. The irony: the countries where the rising is steepest, are the countries with the most strict and most absurd rules (Spain, France, UK), and the only country where the curve has flat-lined is Sweden which has the least amount of madness and the least amount of crazy rules about masks and social distancing:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

Gino02
11-09-20, 17:09
Told you. Coronavirus will be cured in November if Trump loses.

Mursenary
11-09-20, 18:10
You obviously didn't see the question mark in the title of my post.

Ask yourself this: "why hasn't anybody made a good vaccine yet for the normal cold and the seasonal flu during the last 20-30-40 years?

So why would anybody now be able to quickly make a vaccine in 1 year time, against a constantly mutating virus?.For other people who have to answer this question, you can file this retort away:

-No vaccine for common cold because the "common cold" is not caused by one specific virus. Hundreds of different viruses may cause the symptoms described as the "common cold."

-Influenza vaccines obviously exist and have decent efficacy. Annual requirements are due to the fact that it replicates extremely fast compared to most other viruses. The shorter the life cycle, the more mutations, increasing the possibility of the mutation providing resistance to vaccines. For comparison, coronavirus replication is, at minimum, twice as long, with mutation rates possibly up to a whole degree of magnitude longer because it has an even longer latent period.

Pessimist
11-09-20, 18:26
Told you. Coronavirus will be cured in November if Trump loses.It has been cured? Really?

A bit sad to see this sort of whiny desperation from Trump supporters.

The vaccine is not any more ready today than it was yesterday but the news have been released today. In any case, Trump ignored Fauci and others and put all his eggs in one basket when they kept saying it would not be ready by Nov 3. But this is a piece of good news and hopefully we can get some control on this and be able to return to pre covid movement levels in a few months. I am sure you welcome the opportunity to travel and visit your favorite fuck clubs in Europe and so do I.

Let's face it. Trump has been a major fuck up. I mean, he can't even do the legal contests properly. Putting Rudy in charge is not the best strategy. In 2000, Bush had hundreds of lawyers ready and waiting, paid and money raised, to focus on one state. Trump is making a lot of empty noise and playing golf and throwing shit in every direction (kinda like a fuckterd "doctor" on this site).

The guy is fucking incompetent. The only thing he has been any good is somehow convincing 70 mil voters he is their one and only savior regardless of how much he screws up. He had good instincts on China trade and some elements of popularism in US economics given the widening income / wealth disparities but he is too much of a scatterbrain to actually execute on anything. I am not thrilled Biden is coming in, but AOC / Bernie will not dominate given the senate situation and it is actually an OK thing to have a lot of logjam in DC. When pols have too much power, they fuck it up regardless of the party affiliation. It is good to have a deadlocked bunch of guys on both sides.

Rocky V
11-09-20, 18:28
You obviously didn't see the question mark in the title of my post.

Ask yourself this: "why hasn't anybody made a good vaccine yet for the normal cold and the seasonal flu during the last 20-30-40 years?They make flu vaccine every year and it is effective. Cold is not severe enough to warrant the development of a vaccine.

Ararat
11-09-20, 18:35
Something for the conspiracy theorists that news that the vaccine is almost ready is published on the first weekday after consensus was that Biden won.

Gino02
11-09-20, 18:47
Something for the conspiracy theorists that news that the vaccine is almost ready is published on the first weekday after consensus was that Biden won.Yup. When there's smoke.

Paulie97
11-09-20, 19:15
Part of the rhetorical question was irrelevant as Covid-19 isn't "the flu," thus it deserved to be ignored. And of course there are flu vaccines.

Unlike Covid-19 the common cold is caused by hundreds of different viruses, not just one. It's been a lower priority for vaccine development as it's a relatively mild illness, though one is still possible for the future as science progresses. To use this information plus the flu and the mink story, which has been shown to prove nothing as yet, to leap to the conclusion that vaccine development is a waste of time, that reputable scientists the world over all have it wrong or are perpetuating a hoax, show you as possessing two brain cells maximum. Such wasn't worth a response though I was bored this afternoon.

You also contradict yourself lifting up Sweden, for if an effective vaccine is impossible then so is herd immunity. Not to mention that Sweden is a demonstrated failure, having needlessly sacrificed the lives of 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway, chasing her immunity.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

Regarding Covid mutations, here's more info that echos the article you posted, the one you thought supported your conclusions but as demonstrated, did not. Listen to the scientists people, not kooky posts in social media and conspiracy theory peddlers in monger forums.

"One variable shaping efficacy is how quickly the virus mutates. A faster rate of mutation would increase the likelihood that the vaccine would not generate an effective immune response to the virus. SARS-CoV-2, the virus behind Covid-19, is a single-stranded RNA virus. Such viruses are notorious for high mutation rates, but those mutations don't necessarily occur in a way that would weaken protection from a vaccine.

"Measles is also a single-stranded RNA virus. It mutates a little but it doesn't mutate away from the vaccine," said Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "I think that you're not going to need to do what you do with influenza where you have to get a yearly vaccine. Influenza is a moving target. That's not going to be this virus. "

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/3/21258841/coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19-testing-usa-china-moderna

Also on the vaccine front, good news! That plus Trump's lose and I'm loving the looks of my stock portfolio.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2020/11/09/dow-pfizer-vaccine-biden-election-results-stock-market-record/6219095002/


You obviously didn't see the question mark in the title of my post.

Ask yourself this: "why hasn't anybody made a good vaccine yet for the normal cold and the seasonal flu during the last 20-30-40 years?

So why would anybody now be able to quickly make a vaccine in 1 year time, against a constantly mutating virus?

As the saying goes, "hope dies last." Keep on hoping for the impossible, and keep on ignoring the natural solution that has worked for thousands of years that is right in front of your nose: herd immunity!

Gino02
11-09-20, 20:05
Something for the conspiracy theorists that news that the vaccine is almost ready is published on the first weekday after consensus was that Biden won.Agreed. Check this video out: https://youtu.be/ZG2m8kb-P0Q.

Smoke Light
11-09-20, 20:59
Something for the conspiracy theorists that news that the vaccine is almost ready is published on the first weekday after consensus was that Biden won.What goes around comes around. Trump deserves to be lied to, just as he did his entire "presidency". If Pfizer and BioNTech deliberately withheld the good news until after the election, I applaud them. Hope we are on the path getting rid of both T and covid. FKK 2021, we are ready!

Tuber19
11-09-20, 22:05
Told you. Coronavirus will be cured in November if Trump loses.Gino, you are a Genius.

Now, when we will travel without restrictions? Go to FKK without restrictions? Live our lives without wearing stupid masks?

ExpatLover
11-09-20, 23:00
They make flu vaccine every year and it is effective. Cold is not severe enough to warrant the development of a vaccine.Sorry but flue vaccine is not effective every year, they use the virus from NZ and Australia 6 months before (winter there) to create the vaccine for Europe and US some years the mutation of the virus is such that the vaccine is not efficient.

ShooBree
11-10-20, 00:48
What goes around comes around. Trump deserves to be lied to, just as he did his entire "presidency". If Pfizer and BioNTech deliberately withheld the good news until after the election, I applaud them. Hope we are on the path getting rid of both T and covid. FKK 2021, we are ready!CNN&MSNBC have lied for years, that you didn't mind. You only show your contempt for democracy.

Paulie97
11-10-20, 03:29
Sweden isn't "flatling," as daily case numbers are spiking as deaths are moving upwards in the wake, while the cold weather months are only beginning. Scroll down and check the graphs.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Also Sweden is best compared to their Nordic Neighbors as the demographics and overall societal constructs are most similar. When compared to these Sweden fairs poorly with drastically higher per capita death rates.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

And many countries that have strongly emphasized masks, social distancing, and other widely recommended health measures have seen great successes. Look up South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand for starters. Other countries like several in the Americas, plus some in Europe have had these policies but with widespread non-compliance from people like Hammer, or compliance only for periods followed by let ups. The results thus are predictable and the cause and effect clear. Arrogant buffoons that refuse to comply, along with those who promote bad policy have been responsible for a lot of deaths.

Pick your country, scroll down, and check the graphs. I'm speaking to the audience here, not Hammer who will lie and slam his eyes shut to the end, flopping around like a fish on the shore. One would have better luck convincing Trump that he lost the election.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.


Look at the Swedish numbers: flat-lining since July, while the rest of Europe keeps on slowly rising. The irony: the countries where the rising is steepest, are the countries with the most strict and most absurd rules (Spain, France, UK), and the only country where the curve has flat-lined is Sweden which has the least amount of madness and the least amount of crazy rules about masks and social distancing:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

Pistons
11-10-20, 09:20
Just wait for Covid-2023.

https://youtu.be/gXlOSEafzhY

ShooBree
11-10-20, 12:59
Sweden isn't "flatling," as daily case numbers are spiking as deaths are moving upwards in the wake, while the cold weather months are only beginning. Scroll down and check the graphs.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Also Sweden is best compared to their Nordic Neighbors as the demographics and overall societal constructs are most similar. When compared to these Sweden fairs poorly with drastically higher per capita death rates.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

And many countries that have strongly emphasized masks, social distancing, and other widely recommended health measures have seen great successes. Look up South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand for starters. Other countries like several in the Americas, plus some in Europe have had these policies but with widespread non-compliance from people like Hammer, or compliance only for periods followed by let ups. The results thus are predictable and the cause and effect clear. Arrogant buffoons that refuse to comply, along with those who promote bad policy have been responsible for a lot of deaths.

Pick your country, scroll down, and check the graphs. I'm speaking to the audience here, not Hammer who will lie and slam his eyes shut to the end, flopping around like a fish on the shore. One would have better luck convincing Trump that he lost the election.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.

Gino02
11-10-20, 14:36
Gino, you are a Genius.

Now, when we will travel without restrictions? Go to FKK without restrictions? Live our lives without wearing stupid masks?No man, I'm no genius, just a simple realist observer fly on the wall. To predict answers to your questions, I think we still have two more problems to deal with first:

1) US Supreme Court still might fuck it up. RealClearPolitics already yesterday put Philadelphia back to undecided, and too many irregularities are coming up into light all over the map. Not good.

2) Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall, except for delaying the eventual inevitable. Taxes and Death.

But the MSM (and the DNC) approved celebrations by the sheeples without need for social distancing last weekend all over the USA gave me some guidance, so hopefully the FKK life will be back to normal by February 2021.

ExpatLover
11-10-20, 18:02
Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.I fully agree with you lockdowns are not necessary as long you have a homogenous population, sharing the same interest and targets, respecting the laws, taking care of the others, what I can tell you this is not the case in France, Italy, Belgium, England, the others I don t know because I don t have enough friends able to give me real field feedback.

Mursenary
11-10-20, 18:03
Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.A little nuance would be helpful in these discussions. Perhaps being purposeful in the usage of terms like lock down, quarantine, etc.

I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.

The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.


Overall, travel from the Stockholm region had decreased by 8090%, and the number of citizens of Stockholm travelling to popular holiday destinations like Gotland and the ski resorts in re had fallen with more than 90%. Travel between other regions in Sweden had fallen as well. Ferry-line operator Destination Gotland, who previously had called on their customers to rethink their planned trips for Easter, reported that 85% of all bookings had been rescheduledThe same goes for Portugal. They also implemented containment measures initially but have softened them according to epidemic severity. Luckily they were spared the initial wave like Italy and Spain but quickly implemented containment and mitigation efforts such as mitigating movement between municipalities, closure of businesses, school closures, etc. Even with their geographic isolation, recent surges have forced them to reinstate restrictions such as curfews and crowd size limitations.

These Sweden model versus the world discussions are too often reduced to lockdown versus zero restriction arguments with no one actually considering the reality of the situation on the ground but rather hypothetical and philosophical "my team versus your team" arguments.

Sirioja
11-10-20, 21:46
Portugal is now under strong crisis, not better than others. NL preferred to confine now, when Stockholm had so many deaths. What happened in US? If they really found efficient vaccine, when health ministery gave 2 billions USD, how could Pfizer fuck Trump like this, only telling after Biden election. Lets see if this try will be confirmed by Europe.

Pistons
11-10-20, 22:15
What if.

- nanorobots are included in the vaccine.

- the nanorobots need 5 G in order to hook up to the web.

- NSA or others will be able to spy through the nanorobots.

- the vaccine works perfectly, but most of the world will never get to see it.

- covid-2021 will be worse, but the vaccine will work against that one too.

Welcome to the world of crazy theories.

What if?

McAdonis
11-11-20, 01:40
I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.

The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.The fact that the rest of Europe treated Sweden like a pariah worked in Sweden's favor. Was there much inbound / outbound travel in Sweden this summer? Many infection in the UK can be traced to a strain of CV19 that emerged in Spain, that holiday travellers brought back to their home countries: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/29/coronavirus-strain-discovered-europe-accounts-80-per-cent-uk/.

Finland seems to be the only country on the continent to have avoided a second wave. They seem to have the same "socially isolated culture" of Sweden. Almost a quarter of Finns believed the lockdown actually improved their lives.


Not only have Finns followed the rules, but European Parliament research last week found that 23 percent of respondents in the country said that lockdown had actually improved their lives, making Finland the most positive country in Europe towards the coronavirus restrictions.

One reason is likely to be the relative ease of switching to distance working in the highly digitised society.

"The economy is structured so that it's not necessary for a large proportion of the Finnish workforce to be in the workplace," Nelli Hankonen, associate professor of social psychology at Helsinki University, told AFP.
But the national character of the Finns, often characterised as reserved and outdoors-loving, may also have played a part.

"In Finnish culture we are not that highly sociable," Hankonen said.

"We like to be on our own and be a bit isolated."

Nonetheless, the solitude of lockdown has exacerbated mental health issues which already affect one in five people in Finland, the highest rate in the OECD.

"Social support might not be easily available, it's the other side of the coin of how we were able to adapt to the lockdown," Hankonen said.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-finland-europe-quiet-success-covid-.html.

Ararat
11-11-20, 12:42
I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.

The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.
Mid-March to early June 'everyone' stayed home in Sweden and very little happened outside of the home. Then school holidays happened and gradually things opened up. Now it's as if 90% don't care about the virus anymore.

Let's see if the 2nd wave will change minds.

There are no concerts, sports is as restricted as elsewhere etc. Except that barely anyone is wearing masks (and it's also recommended against) or that lockdown just won't happen I don't see a major difference with other countries.

Turgid
11-11-20, 13:49
.......... Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall................Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question ¨How did China get the pandemic under control?

Sirioja
11-11-20, 14:01
Mid-March to early June 'everyone' stayed home in Sweden and very little happened outside of the home. Then school holidays happened and gradually things opened up. Now it's as if 90% don't care about the virus anymore.

Let's see if the 2nd wave will change minds.

There are no concerts, sports is as restricted as elsewhere etc. Except that barely anyone is wearing masks (and it's also recommended against) or that lockdown just won't happen I don't see a major difference with other countries.Sweden also almost closed universities.

Rako3
11-11-20, 15:10
What goes around comes around. Trump deserves to be lied to, just as he did his entire "presidency". If Pfizer and BioNTech deliberately withheld the good news until after the election, I applaud them. Hope we are on the path getting rid of both T and covid. FKK 2021, we are ready!I think withholding news like that until after the election is fine. They operated independently of Trump's efforts, why have their success used by him as a boasting point? Everything good that happens is Trump's doing, everything bad that happens is blamed on somebody else. That's how his mind works. Staying out of the election buzz was good for everyone.

Pessimist
11-11-20, 15:52
Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?The standard explanation / excuse from the right wing is that nothing from China can be trusted. So, in their narrative, who knows how many got infected, how many died in China, if they really have it in control?!

I see this strident vehemence on US boards quite often. Such as WSJ etc. Commenters get offended if anyone says China got it under control. To them, it is an insinuation that China commie regime is more effective than Trump's regime (and that is a big no-no for the right wing, as they believe he is the greatest at everything).

When US went over 100,000 cases (China topped at 80 K), they said "oh, China's 80,000 can't be trusted". Then we went over a million cases and 2 mil, 5 mil, now 10 mil. Our death toll went past their 5,000 then we topped 10,000 then 50,000, 100,000 and now approaching a quarter mil. Apparently in the right winger view, as our numbers grow China's numbers also stretch ahead of ours just so that we are NEVER the worst. Very elastic model indeed. (however, as soon as Biden takes over. Which he will, regardless of the latest reveries of these people. Then their story line changes and they will be the most concerned party about covid explosions in US. Like a 2020 tea party which suddenly wakes up about fiscal prudence when Dems come to power. And BTW, I fell for these tea baggers and gave them a donation in 2012. Should have wasted that money on a Asian hunter in Sharks or Oase).

Only trouble is that any number of people have visited China (strict 2 week quarantine before being let out) and their streets are buzzing. Malls, tourist sites, restaurants are all full. Our own companies like Nike, Apple, SBUX are doing brisk business over there (AAPL had a bad quarter in September but June was good). My own personal contacts keep sending photos showing long lines everywhere. No one has found any mass graves of thousands of covid dead.

But facts are wasted on these dudes. No doubt I will be called a Sheeple by Wolverine Gino. I am in awe of his prowess, oh my.

I detest the evil commie regime in China more than anyone else does, but we will NOT MAGA by keeping our eyes closed and our minds shut to facts and thoughts.

Gino02
11-11-20, 15:59
Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.

Palcon
11-11-20, 16:47
Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?They lock the wolves w / symptoms in their homes until they die or get better.

Paulie97
11-11-20, 18:05
No man, I'm no genius, just a simple realist observer fly on the wall. You fancy yourself a realist but are a sheeple that follows fake news, chases down conspiracy theories, and promotes fool's errands.


1) US Supreme Court still might fuck it up. RealClearPolitics already yesterday put Philadelphia back to undecided, and too many irregularities are coming up into light all over the map. Not good. LOL I see you are listening to the loser Rudy Giuliani, the guy who had the "bombshell" press conference beside the adult bookstore in front of "Four Seasons" landscaping service. You've swallowed and now are spreading fake news. RealClearPolitics never recanted anything as they never called PA to begin with.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/525259-rcp-co-founder-debunks-giuliani-claim-site-pulled-pa-call-this-is-false

That said, every major news network and the AP have Biden as the projected winner. He leads in PA by over 48 K votes, plus in GA (14 K), AZ (12 K), and NV (17 K). There's no evidence of any widespread voter fraud or irregularities that would change the outcome of the election. You are just chasing down more conspiracy theories with your fellow sheeple. The election is over.


2) Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall, except for delaying the eventual inevitable. Taxes and Death. Ignoring the fact that you've already been comprehensively refuted on this point many times doesn't help. Nor will repeating this fallacy over and over ever make it true.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam

There's a number of countries that have seen less than 100 Covid deaths while implementing such policies, such as New Zealand (25), Thailand (60) and Taiwan (7). There's also been a number of countries like South Korea that got off to a rough start but managed to smash the curve with sound policies. This has bought time for the discovery of effective treatments and vaccines. Many lives have been saved, though you haven't been able to purchase hookers in your preferred venues. Waa Waa. Cry me a river.


But the MSM (and the DNC) approved celebrations by the sheeples without need for social distancing last weekend all over the USA gave me some guidance, so hopefully the FKK life will be back to normal by February 2021.Do you have poor eyesight and just failed to see that 99% of them were wearing masks? Or are you just a sheeple that swallows the dishonest analysis from fake news sources? Smart money is on the latter. These celebrators offer a good example for the moronic, diseased, outgoing Trump administration with their indoor, maskless socials. But hey I know those celebrations are unnerving for you, but that's democracy. The people have spoken.

Pessimist
11-11-20, 18:32
I think withholding news like that until after the election is fine. They operated independently of Trump's efforts, why have their success used by him as a boasting point? Everything good that happens is Trump's doing, everything bad that happens is blamed on somebody else. That's how his mind works. Staying out of the election buzz was good for everyone.Actually, election was finished by Tuesday night and the vaccine data was in the media by the *following Monday morning* (November 9). I have not seen any evidence that Pfizer withheld the data publication for a full 6 days. If the data had been released on Nov 5 or 6 or 8th, it would have made exactly zero difference to the election result as votes were already cast (unless some Trump voters were planning to take back their votes and re-vote again depending on vaccine data).

PFE management has a fiduciary duty to their shareholders. Any leak of info showing that PFE withheld the data for 6 days to influence the election outcome would tank the stock price because it could be deemed a criminal deed. I do not know the full legal liability of PFE mgmt with regards to the timing of such disclosure and when they need to make it. But with the current AG Barr, there is no question that investors would be worried about punitive measures. Why would PFE executives risk their own life and freedom, their compensation of several dozens of millions which is tied to the stock price, and massive class action lawsuits in the event of stock tanking, all in the hope of making some small dent on an election in which facts were anyway called fake, and QAnon was treated with reverence?

Be that as it may, none of this matters. Wolverine Genius Gino has already pronounced we are sheeples because we did not do a bobblehead dance upon hearing the vaccine news and claim "there I told you so, the virus is CURED as soon as the election is over.

BTW, I saw 142,000 news cases detected yesterday. I was under the impression the virus was CURED on Monday? But 142,000 new cases, a record total on Tuesday. Hmm. Must be fake news.

ExpatLover
11-11-20, 18:33
The standard explanation / excuse from the right wing is that nothing from China can be trusted. So, in their narrative, who knows how many got infected, how many died in China, if they really have it in control?!

I see this strident vehemence on US boards quite often. Such as WSJ etc. Commenters get offended if anyone says China got it under control. To them, it is an insinuation that China commie regime is more effective than Trump's regime (and that is a big no-no for the right wing, as they believe he is the greatest at everything).

When US went over 100,000 cases (China topped at 80 K), they said "oh, China's 80,000 can't be trusted". Then we went over a million cases and 2 mil, 5 mil, now 10 mil. Our death toll went past their 5,000 then we topped 10,000 then 50,000, 100,000 and now approaching a quarter mil. Apparently in the right winger view, as our numbers grow China's numbers also stretch ahead of ours just so that we are NEVER the worst. Very elastic model indeed. (however, as soon as Biden takes over. Which he will, regardless of the latest reveries of these people. Then their story line changes and they will be the most concerned party about covid explosions in US. Like a 2020 tea party which suddenly wakes up about fiscal prudence when Dems come to power. And BTW, I fell for these tea baggers and gave them a donation in 2012. Should have wasted that money on a Asian hunter in Sharks or Oase)..All what US firms have achieved in the last decades is to transfer their production (know how, technology to China), I know very well China, have a Chinese driving license, a car. All those critics about China are just jalousie, most of the Chinese people are very happy, living is improving, food is available every where. They are a homogenous country probably number 1 today, if China for a reason or another decides to stops Apple business in China Apple is more or less dead and the dow jones will be strongly hit.

Pessimist
11-11-20, 19:16
Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.I had a month long debate w / MCA that the evil China regime did probably play a very direct and insidious role in the proliferation of this virus but of course we need evidence. The incompetent Trump just kept making claims and could not move forward an inch in obtaining such evidence. He was also a total dud in protecting his own citizens. His defense that "China killed them, I am helpless, woe be me" is pathetic. As the commander in Chief his #1 duty is protect American citizens from harm regardless of where the attack comes from and how. So, when the enemy deploys a biological weapon which is what he is claiming, he is absolutely helpless? To top it off, he showboated around that he is a war time prez. What a turd?! He likes to receive salute on TV from tanks and generals on Champs Elysee but not able to take tough decisions.

Competent regimes in other places, namely KR and JP, protected their citizens. Trump is all talk and by that I mean hot foul gas. I don't have any faith that the senile Biden will be super great either but no one has ever been this rock bottom incompetent as Trump and it is so sad that his base is totally blind to see it. This base is like another Covid virus that has taken over and destroyed a once proud GOP.

ShooBree
11-11-20, 19:40
The fact that the rest of Europe treated Sweden like a pariah worked in Sweden's favor. Was there much inbound / outbound travel in Sweden this summer? Many infection in the UK can be traced to a strain of CV19 that emerged in Spain, that holiday travellers brought back to their home countries: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/29/coronavirus-strain-discovered-europe-accounts-80-per-cent-uk/.

Finland seems to be the only country on the continent to have avoided a second wave. They seem to have the same "socially isolated culture" of Sweden. Almost a quarter of Finns believed the lockdown actually improved their lives.But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.

Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.

Pessimist
11-11-20, 21:37
Do you have poor eyesight and just failed to see that 99% of them were wearing masks? Or are you just a sheeple that swallows the dishonest analysis from fake news sources? Smart money is on the latter. These celebrators offer a good example for the moronic, diseased, outgoing Trump administration with their indoor, maskless socials. But hey I know those celebrations are unnerving for you, but that's democracy. The people have spoken.You have to cut Wolverine Gino some slack. As I recall, he never posted any comments bemoaning lack of masks among "the thousands of audience at the massive Trump rallies while Sleepy could not attract even a dozen people to his teleprompter readings, which surely signaled an impending Trump win" as their side kept telling us prior to the election. Now he is shocked to observe that people are in the streets after a Biden win and not following proper social distancing rules. As I said, like the tea party which discovers its fiscal prudence chops only when Dems are in power and gives a loud cheer when Trump spent trillions on increasing deficits, his base discovers the horrors of not distancing when it comes to the other side.

At least Pizza Cain is dead. He will not give +1 to Gino's comment. If his estate had any guts, they should press homicide charges against the POTUS.

P.S.: I have to say the spontaneous celebration by thousands of young people dancing all over our cities was the most joyous sight in a while. Badly needed after this annus horribilis.

Gino02
11-12-20, 00:26
Trust me, this is fact: Pfizer was not even at 80% effectiveness of their Covid-19 vaccine before Nov 3rd.

Gino02
11-12-20, 01:34
Read the full article before commenting please.

Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial. It was predetermined trading plan adopted on August 19.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/pfizer-ceo-sold-stock-day-covid-19-vaccine-results-unveiled-2020-11-1029790705

Mursenary
11-12-20, 03:27
But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.

Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.The point is that most Swedes have not been as carefree in their actions insomuch as to warrant the anti-mitigation argument. Perhaps Swedes traveled abroad a bit, but to what degree when internally, the documented travel habits dropped 80-90%?

These rants about how "lock downs do no good, look at Sweden" are misleading, simplistic, and / or disingenuous. The best point one can make may that "mandatory government lockdowns" are unnecessary. But like ExPat stated, the expectation that citizens will voluntarily act according to recommendations are in societies that are homogenous and single minded.

Mursenary
11-12-20, 03:44
Trust me, this is fact: Pfizer was not even at 80% effectiveness of their Covid-19 vaccine before Nov 3rd.Trust? Source would be better. Would also be interested to know what you think the phrase X % effective means.

Pessimist
11-12-20, 04:40
Read the full article before commenting please.

Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial. It was predetermined trading plan adopted on August 19.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/pfizer-ceo-sold-stock-day-covid-19-vaccine-results-unveiled-2020-11-1029790705Tbh, this link and the other comment below that PFE's effectiveness was less than 80% prior to Nov 3 are sounding quite uneducated.

What does it mean "trust me"? Are you claiming you have insider knowledge of the daily efficacy of the vaccine as a time series? Sharing that knowledge on an open forum is a breach of MnPI and is a crime.

I don't know what you were trying to prove by including this link about his sale. It sounds sensationalist to the layman but a CEO is perfectly in his right to sell and buy his stock if it is cleared by his compliance department. The article clearly says it was a 10 b5-1 sale, perfectly legal. If he had bought PfE stock a week before the release of the data at a low stock price, that would be illegal. But here, he sold the stock after the market moving news have been released and the stock spiked nearly 10%.

Seriously, as a Trump supporter, you should be a fan of capitalism and making money from the market if having the brains to do it. Why would you begrudge the PFe CEO that he made money on the data? You personally could have sold the same stock if you already held it, or could have shorted it if you felt like it was tops at $40 (as he seemed to feel) or bought some puts or done a hundred other things.

None of this address the original claim you made that somehow the virus has been cured in some sort of conspiratorial manner in an effort to sink Trump's election, with PFE being a part of it. It seems your best evidence is a stock sale, which is a fairly routine thing. I am happy for the CEO because he led the company, made the deal w / biontech, developed the vaccine, hopefully will save millions of lives, and making a tidy profit for himself and a lot more for his shareholders. That's what life and capitalism is all about but for some reason you seem to resent it.

ShooBree
11-12-20, 06:36
You have to cut Wolverine Gino some slack. As I recall, he never posted any comments bemoaning lack of masks among "the thousands of audience at the massive Trump rallies while Sleepy could not attract even a dozen people to his teleprompter readings, which surely signaled an impending Trump win" as their side kept telling us prior to the election. Now he is shocked to observe that people are in the streets after a Biden win and not following proper social distancing rules. As I said, like the tea party which discovers its fiscal prudence chops only when Dems are in power and gives a loud cheer when Trump spent trillions on increasing deficits, his base discovers the horrors of not distancing when it comes to the other side.

At least Pizza Cain is dead. He will not give +1 to Gino's comment. If his estate had any guts, they should press homicide charges against the POTUS.

P.S.: I have to say the spontaneous celebration by thousands of young people dancing all over our cities was the most joyous sight in a while. Badly needed after this annus horribilis.Thank you for revealing your hypocrisy and demagoguery (yet again) so clearly that there's no way anyone can take you seriously. You don't mind big crowds as long as they're Democrats. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but it's sad to see how democrats like you are determined to divide the country.

"Homicide charges", LOL! I guess we can rule out that you ever went to law school.

McAdonis
11-12-20, 12:46
But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.Many countries "allowed" passengers to arrive from Sweden, but expected them to self-quarantine. UK and NL removed Sweden from the quarantine list September 10 and August 19 respectively. Air travel is down 80 percent in every country in the world. Across the world in 2020, people have been driving to their holiday destinations, so most people I would guess have been staying within 500 KM of their homes. Dutch were driving to France and Italian. Italian and French were driving to Spain. But Scandinavia being geographically remote is excluded from most of these chains of contact, unless they opted for air travel. Here are the statistics for inbound / outbound travel at Stockholm Arlanda for October 2020:


Due to the coronavirus outbreak and the limited operations of airports and airlines, only about 460,000 people arrived at and departed from Stockholm Arlanda Airport in October 2020. This was a considerable decline compared to the same period of the previous year, when the airport recorded roughly 2.2 million passengers.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/797099/monthly-number-of-passengers-at-stockholm-arlanda-airport-in-sweden/The above link has a graphic. It is behind a paywall but we can clearly see the total passengers for July, August, September were even lower than October. Also, many Swedish families have a summer tradition of going to their summer cottages / cabins, which means there is a mass exodus of people leaving Swedish cities, which would reduce social contact. Twenty percent of Swedish own their own summer home and 50 percent have access to one via friends and family: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200813-the-swedish-staycation-obsession.


Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.Swedish and Finnish are unique, but I suspect they are closer to each other culturally than they are with the rest of Europe. I imagine the dark winters, remoteness, and that need for survival forged cultures that are independent and used to being isolated for most parts of the year. If I had been forced to live there before modern luxuries such as electricity and modern heating, I am sure I would have been in saunas and drinking spirits too.


While isolation is especially widespread among older people in Britain and Germany with the majority of those older than 75 living alone other countries in Europe are facing slightly different problems.

In Sweden, for instance, loneliness is far from limited to older generations. According to the European Unions statistics agency, Eurostat, single adults without children make up about half of all households in Sweden. (Across the E.U., singles usually make up about a third of all households, which is already more than in most other places in the world, perhaps excluding Japan.)

Sweden has more than any other country embraced the idea of independent and autonomous individuals and has created institutions that guarantee that we are not dependent on one another, Erik Gandini, the director of the documentary movie The Swedish Theory of Love, told Radio Sweden in 2016. In his movie, Gandini blames Swedens long-heralded individual autonomy for the fact that up to 25 percent of all Swedes say that they frequently feel lonely.Bottom line: Just because you allow people to do things, does not mean they will necessarily do it. Yes, Swedish did not have a "lockdown". But I am fairly certain that their restaurant and public transportation industry remains on life support like everywhere else. If I had a teenage son, I could say to him, "You don't have a curfew. Stay out late. Go get drunk with your friends. Go get laid!" But if he is the nerdy and studious type, he will probably just come home early and study or play video games.

Gino02
11-12-20, 15:45
Looks like some special kids need to be pointed out few chronological events:

1) The US Election date is known as November 3rd for more than a year.

2) In March, Covid-19 hits USA, giving Democrats new lifeline to fight against Trump, at the time widely accepted as one of the most successful POTUS ever.

3) On August 19th, Pfizer CEO chooses to set sell date for 60% of his stocks on November 9th.

4) On Nov 9th only few hours ahead of when the CEO's stock sell is supposed to be executed, Pfizer announces 90% efficacy of their Covid-19 vaccine.

Bravo! Great plan!

Pessimist
11-12-20, 16:04
Thank you for revealing your hypocrisy and demagoguery (yet again) so clearly that there's no way anyone can take you seriously. You don't mind big crowds as long as they're Democrats. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but it's sad to see how democrats like you are determined to divide the country.

"Homicide charges", LOL! I guess we can rule out that you ever went to law school.Ah the Shoe Swede makes his presence felt. Hope you had a good week and enjoyed watching the election results.

Is there a reason I need to explain my vote to a 3rd world dude that wants to sneak into our country a la a million Mexicans and other guys all around the world? If you don't mind, I will limit my dialog to the people who have actual votes and ignore the wannabe Trumpers for now. If ever you have a real vote here, you can have a real say. However, it may be a long time (as in, never) before that can happen thanks to the anti fence jumping walls and police put in place by Trump himself. So, my guess is, you will just have to be content worshiping him from afar.

Pessimist
11-12-20, 17:07
Looks like some special kids need to be pointed out few chronological events:

1) The US Election date is known as November 3rd for more than a year.

2) In March, Covid-19 hits USA, giving Democrats new lifeline to fight against Trump, at the time widely accepted as one of the most successful POTUS ever.

3) On August 19th, Pfizer CEO chooses to set sell date for 60% of his stocks on November 9th.

4) On Nov 9th only few hours ahead of when the CEO's stock sell is supposed to be executed, Pfizer announces 90% efficacy of their Covid-19 vaccine.

Bravo! Great plan!Gino,

Again and again, you demonstrate you really don't understand these things.

He filed the 10 b5-1 on August 19. Only QAnon Trumpers that see deep state in every thing including my coffee cup think there is a connection. By law, 10 b5-1 has to be filed for executives who have a knowledge of MNPI to make their trades and has to be filed prior to the actual trade. He did nothing illegal because the info that moved the market was fully public. That is unlike the criminals (Sen) Burr and Loeffler and hope GA voters remember Loeffler's criminality in the runoff. If the SEC has any issues with Bourla's trade, they can certainly take it up. After all, this is still an admin and agency structure in which every department works not in accordance with law but in alignment of Trump's political wishes and he is screaming from the rooftop that deep state delayed the vaccine data (which you are dutifully relaying to us).

Did you never make any stocks trades in life? Have you ever heard that CXOs at publicly listed firms do indeed trade their own company stock (because they receive so much of their comp in the form of stock and option grants) and have you ever wondered how they can do it because they are in possession of info which is not available to the public about their companies? The answer is 10 b5-1. For some reason, the right wing trolls are going berserk about this very standard procedure.

PFE has been a dreary stock. Going back the last 20 years, it has been above $40 for less than 18 months of the 240 months. When the stock popped briefly to $40+ on Nov 9th morning, the CEO who has a considerable amount of his net worth tied up in that stock took advantage of that brief window. You have to give him credit for his quick reflex.

As a "capitalist Trumper" you would well advised to cheer capital and gains on capital. However, as I said in another comment, the demographic shifts in the last decade have been such that a whole bunch of ex Union blue collar non college Whites have migrated from Dem to GOP especially in the industrial mid west, and a lot of the college educated, high pay white collar Caucasian voters migrated away due to Trump. It seems you are in the former camp.

Paulie97
11-12-20, 22:57
Ah the Shoe Swede makes his presence felt. Hope you had a good week and enjoyed watching the election results.

Is there a reason I need to explain my vote to a 3rd world dude that wants to sneak into our country a la a million Mexicans and other guys all around the world? If you don't mind, I will limit my dialog to the people who have actual votes and ignore the wannabe Trumpers for now. If ever you have a real vote here, you can have a real say. However, it may be a long time (as in, never) before that can happen thanks to the anti fence jumping walls and police put in place by Trump himself. So, my guess is, you will just have to be content worshiping him from afar.It's funny, this Swede in here across many threads with his head all up between our defeated president's butt cheeks. It's a source of sure amusement.

Turgid
11-12-20, 23:34
Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.Lots of questions need to be asked and answered but I was dealing with the issue raised by you. Do lockdowns and masking really help?

Gino02
11-12-20, 23:40
Lots of questions need to be asked and answered but I was dealing with the issue raised by you. Do lockdowns and masking really help?Short answer: Nope.

Long answer: Can't believe China as usual. And the evidence is all over the map about lockdowns and masking, really nothing to conclude IMHO.

Gino02
11-13-20, 00:35
Gino,

Again and again, you demonstrate you really don't understand these things.

He filed the 10 b5-1 on August 19. Only QAnon Trumpers that see deep state in every thing including my coffee cup think there is a connection. By law, 10 b5-1 has to be filed for executives who have a knowledge of MNPI to make their trades and has to be filed prior to the actual trade. He did nothing illegal because the info that moved the market was fully public. That is unlike the criminals (Sen) Burr and Loeffler and hope GA voters remember Loeffler's criminality in the runoff. If the SEC has any issues with Bourla's trade, they can certainly take it up. After all, this is still an admin and agency structure in which every department works not in accordance with law but in alignment of Trump's political wishes and he is screaming from the rooftop that deep state delayed the vaccine data (which you are dutifully relaying to us).

Did you never make any stocks trades in life? Have you ever heard that CXOs at publicly listed firms do indeed trade their own company stock (because they receive so much of their comp in the form of stock and option grants) and have you ever wondered how they can do it because they are in possession of info which is not available to the public about their companies? The answer is 10 b5-1. For some reason, the right wing trolls are going berserk about this very standard procedure..Great! Looks like you really know a lot about me. LOL not.

Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.

Now, about conspiracy theories, go talk to Bob Mueller.

Gino02
11-13-20, 00:50
Got to love how some people here assumes some others don't know something without even having a conversation about it. Basement keyboard warrior syndrome much? Or is that what's called a Condescending Douchebag? Even worse is that apparently these people's choice will run the world next 4 years? Mankind is doomed.

Mursenary
11-13-20, 02:51
Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.Do you even know what 80 or 90% efficacy even means?

ShooBree
11-13-20, 03:00
It's funny, this Swede in here across many threads with his head all up between our defeated president's butt cheeks. It's a source of sure amusement.I'm happy that you're amused while hiding in your basement, LMFAO!

Pessimist
11-13-20, 03:45
Great! Looks like you really know a lot about me. LOL not.

Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.

Now, about conspiracy theories, go talk to Bob Mueller.Making any sort of trade when Bourla was in possession of market moving info would be illegal.

It is a little sad and embarrassing that I have to even explain this. Perhaps you have never traded a stock in your life. That may explain this utter lack of awareness and absolute misconception.

"Illegal insider trading refers generally to buying or selling a security, in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence, on the basis of material, nonpublic information about the security."

https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-basics/glossary/insider-trading

"Insider trading violations may also include "tipping" such information" -- The reason I said in a prior comment that "did you know the time series data about efficacy of the vaccine changed over time?" is due to this line. If ever you are in possession of any market moving info and you carelessly pass it on to other people, you are in serious violation of SEC rule and can go to prison even if you personally did not benefit from such action yourself. My friendly advice: never ever do it.

And what is the crack re: Mueller supposed to be? Mueller certainly did not investigate any insider issues. If it is some sort of pent up anger you are feeling inside related to the impeachment I can't help you there. Trump is one of the very few presidents who lost popular vote both elections he contested, got impeached, and is a one termer. He is facing a ton of legal suits from Manhattan the, tax authorities, and numerous sexual assault lawsuits after he leaves the office. No wonder he is seriously considering pardoning himself.

Oh yeah, you can call me a condescending douchebag to my face. No need to be coy about it in a separate comment.

Polyamorist
11-13-20, 04:35
I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.


I think you're talking about case fatality rates.

The important number is infection fatality rates.

As researchers like us have learned more about the spread of the virus, we have discovered that the total number of infected people is far greater than the number of confirmed cases. For example in New York, it was more than 10 times the previously announced infection rate.

When deaths from COVID-19 are divided by the total number of cases not just reported cases you get a statistic called the infection fatality rate (IFR). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently has a best guess of 0. 26%% for the IFR.
On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:

fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.

Paulie97
11-13-20, 06:11
I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:

fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.None of your links work. Flu mortality estimates are well below 0.1 percent worldwide (not 0.26), and at about. 06 in the US this past season. The flu also doesn't cause bodies to spill into the streets into refrigerated trucks if available or cause ICU units to frequently be stretched to the limits as is the case in the US and elsewhere at the moment. It also doesn't kill 250 K Americans in a season as Covid has thus far or cause long hauler syndromes in survivors. It though amazes me the morons that complain about "media hype" while they sell an array of bogus, agenda driven arguments equating Covid with the flu, arguing that "herd immunity" is achieved at 20% infected, masks don't work, Democrats steal elections but leave guys like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell in office, and the list goes on.

P.S. If you got those links and analysis off a monger website buyer beware as adherents to the Trump cult are legion. With that I'm done, at least until the end of the year as I have extra work during this time. Enjoy.

Paulie97
11-13-20, 06:26
Got to love how some people here assumes some others don't know something without even having a conversation about it. Basement keyboard warrior syndrome much? Or is that what's called a Condescending Douchebag? Even worse is that apparently these people's choice will run the world next 4 years? Mankind is doomed.You call people "sheeple" then complain when there's return fire? See photo attachment for sheeple. Snap out of it man. You've been had by a con. Thankfully he is removed from power very soon. Best wishes, seriously.

Oh yea and here's the link that was meant to be included in my last post, forgot.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html

Gino02
11-13-20, 07:44
I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:

fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.

Turgid
11-13-20, 14:03
Short answer: Nope.

Long answer: Can't believe China as usual. And the evidence is all over the map about lockdowns and masking, really nothing to conclude IMHO.So China the world's most populous country must have tens of millions of infections and over a million deaths from covid 19 at this time instead of eighty thousand infections and four thousand deaths.

Mursenary
11-13-20, 14:41
I mean, let's just give you the assumption that mortality is similar to the flu (it's not but let's just give you that.).

You still have to account for the much higher infectious rate (ease of spread).

Factors for higher infection include, but are not limited to, tighter binding of the virus to the host receptor (binding to sugar molecules in flu versus tighter protein-protein binding in Sars-Cov2) and a much longer latent period for which carriers can infect the general population (up to 14 times longer.).

This leads to more cases. It's just a mathematical truth even without considering the pathogenesis of disease. Simply put, even if mortality is the same (again, it's not,) if 1% of 1000 people die of the flu, that is 10 deaths, but with 10000 being infected at 1% mortality, you have 100 deaths due to Covid19.

Again, we're not even factoring the fact that the population has developed some baseline immunity to the familiar flu versus to very few people having ever been exposed Sars-Cov like viruses. The likelihood of clinical manifestations developing upon exposure decreases the rate of undiagnosed cases with coronavirus infection. This in turn, decreases the difference between case mortality and infectious mortality rates.

I think I've previously hammered the fact that while everyone is using mortality to judge the severity of the pandemic, hospitalizations, even without death, is not being considered by random people who just want to validate their ill-conceived positions regarding this topic.

Furthermore can we put an end to the stupid idea that covid19 is a respiratory disease like the flu? It's an endothelial disease that starts with the lungs but exerts many more deleterious sequelae via an inflammatory reaction effecting cells that line the vessels of the body I. E. Cardiovascular, endocrine, and hepatic disease.

I can't believe we're still debating these points.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-epidemiology-virology-and-prevention#H1299415271.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12291-020-00919-0


I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:

fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.

Pistons
11-13-20, 15:57
Twenty percent of Swedish own their own summer home and 50 percent have access to one via friends and family: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200813-the-swedish-staycation-obsession.This percentage is actually higher among Norwegians and Finns than among swedes. About 50% higher.

Maybe why we both beat the swedes in distancing. Who knows?

Rocky V
11-13-20, 16:05
Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.I don't understand why you need to bring politics Democrats vs Republicans into the discussion of a viral pandemic. It may be a sign of mental confusion of some sort. You keep considering mortality rates as the only aspect of this virus that is worth considering. You fail to consider that we still don't know the long-term effects of this virus on pregnant women, fetuses, children etc. Persistent Covid symptoms lasting for many months have been recorded in the medical literature and it has already impacted many people around the world. Also, the ICU beds in hospitals are not being filled with dolls, but with real suffering people. Some of which may well have been like this guy, who thought it was all a hoax: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas.

Gino02
11-13-20, 18:12
I don't understand why you need to bring politics Democrats vs Republicans into the discussion of a viral pandemic. It may be a sign of mental confusion of some sort. You keep considering mortality rates as the only aspect of this virus that is worth considering. You fail to consider that we still don't know the long-term effects of this virus on pregnant women, fetuses, children etc. Persistent Covid symptoms lasting for many months have been recorded in the medical literature and it has already impacted many people around the world. Also, the ICU beds in hospitals are not being filled with dolls, but with real suffering people. Some of which may well have been like this guy, who thought it was all a hoax: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas.Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.

Pessimist
11-13-20, 18:32
Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.Wow.

What a post!

Earlier you called me a condescending douchebag keyboard warrior and said "you know nothing about me". Fair enough.

Now, the descriptives you have in your comment are: (a) sheeples (b) will not accept real scientific proofs 9 c) drank kool-aid (d) instructed by Dem demagogues (e) lost most brain cells (f) no independent thinking (g) born with these defects (h) libtard (I) kool-aid repeated (j) lack of independent thinking repeated coupled with a self patting about having an abundance of independent thinking.

If only you had printed another paragraph, you would have circled all the English alphabets.

When I disdained your comment in which you made some nonsensical observation about insider trading and thereafter showed that you were absolutely clueless about the subject, my condescension as it were, was limited only to you personally and limited to the subject you initiated your comment on.

Here however, you decided to throw shit at perhaps half the country or more (whoever fits your definition of libtards), and then did not limit your comment to one subject (such as Covid) but everything in life.

I am guess you were born w / o a sense of irony (in addition to having no clue about insider trading) based strictly on what you demonstrated in your comments so far.

Rocky V
11-13-20, 20:27
Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.No need to 'believe', you just have to look at facts. You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts. This pandemic is hard to defeat because there are too many people, who consider a youtube video as trustworthy as medical doctor.

Palcon
11-13-20, 22:57
Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?

Gino02
11-13-20, 23:28
Gov. Newsom in hot water over reported birthday party discouraged by CA's COVID-19 protocol.

(https://www.radio.com/kcbsradio/news/local/gov-newsom-at-birthday-party-against-cas-covid-19-protocol).

This guy is allowed to run a state in USA that's half the population of Germany!

Gino02
11-13-20, 23:31
Tesla CEO Elon Musk reported on Twitter that he may have tested positive for the coronavirus after taking four tests half of which came back positive.

"Something extremely bogus is going on." Musk wrote Thursday evening.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Elon-Musk-gets-conflicting-coronavirus-tests-15725398.php

JohnReter335
11-14-20, 00:20
You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?Its a fake news of course all are rumors.

Pessimist
11-14-20, 04:09
You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States

To be fair, voters for both parties are dominated by those w / odegrees.

The simple fact is that less than 40% of the country (adults) have degrees.

It is true that in the recent past degrees voters among Whites have migrated away from GOP. I said this in other posts.

Also the link above shows top and bottom 10 ranked on educational achievements. The top 0 are all solidly blue and 8 of bottom 10 are deep red. Only NM and NV in bottom 10 are purple or blue.

Generally it has been true that the richer states have trended blue of late while the poorer are red. Urban dominated states have higher per capita incomes and tend to be blue, while rural states have lower income levels and are red. Also, South is poor and red and northeast and west coast are richer and blue. But some changes are happening, like GA being in the south, turning blue and also richer due to growing Atlanta while industrial Midwest which used to be solidly middle class got hollowed out due to China taking a lot of our manufacturing, income levels went down and some of them turned from blue to purple or even red. Ohio is one example.

Pessimist
11-14-20, 04:23
It is a risk for the alt right dudes to hitch their wagon to Musk. He tends to be a loose cannon. It was only in the recent past that Musk and Tesla were derided by right wingers, as they hated EVs and tend to support fossil fuel industry. Forever, right wing told us Tesla would collapse if subsidies were removed, which indeed would have been the case until 2018. Or even early 2019. Now things changed, Telsa's balance sheet improved (mostly because their stock went up 10 times). Anyway, yeah, Musk suddenly became a darling or the right due to his Covid stance although I don't think he gives a flying fuck about right or left. His only concern was to keep the Fremont plant open and keep the production line switched on, otherwise he can't deliver the units he promised investors and his stock would have crashed. So, he did something in self interest and voila he is a rallying hero for the right. But of course to claim he is emblematic of all independent thinkers or smart people is nonsense, especially when it comes from alt right that spat on him till 2 years ago. What about Gates, Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Sergei Brinn, W Buffett? They all swear by the mask and don't think Covid is a nothingburger. They are brainwashed turds? I guess they made $425 billion between just the five of them by outsourcing their brain, eh?

What about Mitch McConnell? You know after Jan 20, he is the de facto leader of GOP. Moscow Mitch may give lip service to every violent tweet by Trump against Dr Fauci but when it comes to his own health Mitch is religiously mask wearing. He shunned White House for 2 months because he knew WH is a Covid pit. Not only that, he proudly declared he has been shunning WH. Bold declaration indeed by a GOPer in the land of trumpards.

Is Mitch clueless? Is he a libtard? He is a sheeple I guess? Brainwashed by the liberal kool aid drinkers?

Mursenary
11-14-20, 04:53
When did Gino become a Russian bot?

ExpatLover
11-14-20, 08:17
Tesla CEO Elon Musk reported on Twitter that he may have tested positive for the coronavirus after taking four tests half of which came back positive.

"Something extremely bogus is going on." Musk wrote Thursday evening.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Elon-Musk-gets-conflicting-coronavirus-tests-15725398.phpIn many cities and countries the hospitals are full with sick people (mostly covid) some are dying like never, the pandemic is not under control, except China, Korea, Japan. Musk is just a businessman trying to making as much money as possible, obviously the tests are not reliable, everyone knows that, obviously the vaccine will not be efficient just because we have already today the 4th variant, but still people don't respect social distancing, still people telling the covid is not dangerous. Today it is very easy to get informed but at least you need to be open to the reality but so many people are not.

Sirioja
11-14-20, 08:33
So China the world's most populous country must have tens of millions of infections and over a million deaths from covid 19 at this time instead of eighty thousand infections and four thousand deaths.Do you trust chinese figures? When US are reaching 250.000 deaths, UK more than 50.000 , France more than 40.000.

Mursenary
11-14-20, 14:10
Tesla CEO Elon Musk reported on Twitter that he may have tested positive for the coronavirus after taking four tests half of which came back positive.

"Something extremely bogus is going on." Musk wrote Thursday evening.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Elon-Musk-gets-conflicting-coronavirus-tests-15725398.php.He's mixing up the different types of tests. There are the quick 5 minute tests that are only 75-80% reliable used for fast screening in emergent settings. The standard of care that is actually used are the PCR tests that requires processing in a lab. Those are the ones used to confirm positive tests and also the ones most countries use for travel purposes. The article specifically mentions the rapid antigen tests not the standard of care PCR mRNA tests.

Nothing fishy or unexpected here. Details matter.

Turgid
11-14-20, 14:29
Do you trust chinese figures? When US are reaching 250.000 deaths, UK more than 50.000 , France more than 40.000.China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQ

Sirioja
11-14-20, 15:42
China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQNobody know the truth about China, land of freedom and for human rights, a whole huge lie. US also can't know with more than 10 millions illegals and maybe about 50 millions without healthcare insurance, when Trump was telling no risk, Americans are stronger, maybe why Pfizer fucked him, waiting Biden to be elected, because thinking they would not make big business under crazy golfer.

Gino02
11-14-20, 15:54
When did Gino become a Russian bot?Well, tried to be Chinese bot, but they first wanted me to support that selfish clueless piece of crap Biden, and that broke the deal. Sorry mate.

Gino02
11-14-20, 16:31
Libtards follow whatever their demagogues ask them to. They don't change their points of views based on facts, trends and real science.

Independent Thinkers on the other hand, uses their own brain, education and knowledge to adjust their points of views irrespective of who said what. Yesterday they may have supported one person's view, today may not like the same person's view on another item, tomorrow might be different. It all depends on the facts, actions and statistical trends, not on any demagogue.

We don't expect libtards to understand or accept the above.

ExpatLover
11-14-20, 16:54
Do you trust chinese figures? When US are reaching 250.000 deaths, UK more than 50.000 , France more than 40.000.Maybe you should trust the Swiss figures, the figures are skyrocketing just because people like you are not respecting the social distancing. I think you are a clever man but it is not because it is allowed that we have to do it, probably they will close all FKK in Austria and Switzerland. Again and again, it is not the good time to monger, keep social distancing and protect yourself and the others.

Oregon97
11-14-20, 17:24
China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQCovid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.

ExpatLover
11-14-20, 18:14
Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.And which logic should we apply to you? You are not serious, today in Europe we have variant number 4 coming from the nordic countries, nobody knows if the Pfister vaccine will be efficient against him. The CEO of Pfister sold 5 MUSD shares the same day they announced the vaccine) China, Korea, Japan, Israel. Are very homogenous countries (including the ethny of their populations) and they are doing very well to fight the pandemic just because they are together. On this forum we still have guys going to prostitutes or FKK like there is no covid and we can easily see the results: full lockdown in Austria, Germany, may be Switzerland.

Pessimist
11-14-20, 18:15
Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.I doubt that is the case. If all the Chinese people already had achieved immunity vs Covid19 China would not have imposed such draconian lockdown in Jan and Feb. It would not have spread as fast as it did in Wuhan and Killed as many. Every time a small new cluster is found, they are doing city wide testing for millions of people. My own friends who have visited China in the last few months have been forced to do quarantine very strictly in hotels for 2 weeks before being allowed to go into general population.

Gino02
11-14-20, 18:59
Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.Dude, you trying to be logical with this bunch? Good luck with that LOL.

McAdonis
11-14-20, 19:57
Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.Let us compare countries that are in the Americas then.

Uruguay's 7-day average for new cases is 73. It's two neighbours: 31 K Brazil, Argentina 9 K. Adjusted for population Uruguay has 8 times less new case than Brazil.

Uruguay C19 deaths per million is 18. Brazil and Argentina are both 700+, so 40 times better than its two neighbors.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=URY~BRA~ARG&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_cases&pickerSort=desc

Mursenary
11-14-20, 19:57
China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQI'm also skeptical with the Chinese numbers, but the trump card here is that a lockdown in communist China is actually a real house arrest lockdown, as opposed to the quasi-"lockdown"-in-name-only that we're seeing here in free societies.

Sirioja
11-14-20, 19:57
In many cities and countries the hospitals are full with sick people (mostly covid) some are dying like never, the pandemic is not under control, except China, Korea, Japan. Musk is just a businessman trying to making as much money as possible, obviously the tests are not reliable, everyone knows that, obviously the vaccine will not be efficient just because we have already today the 4th variant, but still people don't respect social distancing, still people telling the covid is not dangerous. Today it is very easy to get informed but at least you need to be open to the reality but so many people are not.Fully right for too many deaths, but in my country, only 4000 for less than 65 yo. In US, mostly Afros and poor people, unfortunately unfair.

Pessimist
11-14-20, 23:13
Dude, you trying to be logical with this bunch? Good luck with that LOL.Oregon is saying Chinese were not impacted by Covid and had achieved herd immunity. So you agree with him?

But you were arguing that China was so polluted with the virus so much so that anyone w / an Asian look had to be stopped from stepping inside the club.

It appears you are confused in your anger and no longer know what you are agreeing with or disputing anymore. Some fresh air might do you good.

BTW, I am still waiting to hear if you think Moscow Mitch is a libtard because he is wearing a mask and staying away from WH due to Corona fears and you said anyone excessively concerned about Corona is a libtard and does not have own brain.

Mursenary
11-15-20, 02:49
Dude, you trying to be logical with this bunch? Good luck with that LOL.Says the troll who ignores every piece of actual clinical data posted on here. Can't selectively play in the mud but pretend to be "logical". Fooling no one.

Pahllus Maximus
11-15-20, 03:00
Gino02: not just Libtards, but all tards shackled to doctrine. Religion and politics are great examples of brand over substance, facts or logic. Being shown to be wrong is when we evolve and learn. We need more learn it alls and less "know" it alls.

It is also presently rational that we like hot young women with tight pussies and the joy of consummation of this very primal act. It too could change, but for now the evidence is that shooting a load in a girls mouth before my morning coffee puts a happy frame on the rest of the day. What is the views of of other readers as to the truth or falsity of these statements?

Graphic photos and salacious detail gets more points!

Sirioja
11-15-20, 03:10
I'm also skeptical with the Chinese numbers, but the trump card here is that a lockdown in communist China is actually a real house arrest lockdown, as opposed to the quasi-"lockdown"-in-name-only that we're seeing here in free societies.100.000 new cases per day now in US, no protection planned, a bit criminal from Trump, when even North Dakota with farms is now down under covid, and also some women complaints about sexual harassment, money affairs, may going hard time for Trump after 20 January, maybe becoming a real loser, not only fired by election.

Sirioja
11-15-20, 03:16
Let us compare countries that are in the Americas then.

Uruguay's 7-day average for new cases is 73. It's two neighbours: 31 K Brazil, Argentina 9 K. Adjusted for population Uruguay has 8 times less new case than Brazil.

Uruguay C19 deaths per million is 18. Brazil and Argentina are both 700+, so 40 times better than its two neighbors.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=URY~BRA~ARG&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_cases&pickerSort=descSouth America should be better now when Summer there, despite crazy Bolzanaro. Covid slept a bit on this Summer in Western Europe, but woke up on September.

PedroMorales
11-15-20, 03:50
China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQNo, they shouldn't. The USA is the anomaly. Just look at its STI and HIV figures compared to, say, Japan and Korea, or even Western Europe. They even have the bubonic plague among California's street folk; the Indians in Arizona have always had it lingering. The USA is a great place if you are flush with cash. Not so good otherwise.

Another thing you and others ignore is the age demographic. Why is / was it so prevalent in Iran with its relatively youthful population? Italy and Spain are explained by asset stripping and starving its hospitals of cash. British figures can be explained by NHS nurses doing tik tok videos on machinery instead of working.

This fairy story that a Wall St vaccine will save the world belongs in beauty contests.

ShooBree
11-15-20, 13:45
Oregon is saying Chinese were not impacted by Covid and had achieved herd immunity. So you agree with him?

But you were arguing that China was so polluted with the virus so much so that anyone w / an Asian look had to be stopped from stepping inside the club.

It appears you are confused in your anger and no longer know what you are agreeing with or disputing anymore. Some fresh air might do you good.

BTW, I am still waiting to hear if you think Moscow Mitch is a libtard because he is wearing a mask and staying away from WH due to Corona fears and you said anyone excessively concerned about Corona is a libtard and does not have own brain.It's funny that you're talking about anger considering you got some serious anger management problems yourself. How big is your tinfoil hat? Conspiracy theories lives rent free in your head.

Mursenary
11-15-20, 15:19
100.000 new cases per day now in US, no protection planned, a bit criminal from Trump, when even North Dakota with farms is now down under covid, and also some women complaints about sexual harassment, money affairs, may going hard time for Trump after 20 January, maybe becoming a real loser, not only fired by election.LOL, he sees the word trump and thinks Donald Trump. English.

Gino02
11-15-20, 16:33
Oregon is saying Chinese were not impacted by Covid and had achieved herd immunity. So you agree with him?

But you were arguing that China was so polluted with the virus so much so that anyone w / an Asian look had to be stopped from stepping inside the club.

It appears you are confused in your anger and no longer know what you are agreeing with or disputing anymore. Some fresh air might do you good.

BTW, I am still waiting to hear if you think Moscow Mitch is a libtard because he is wearing a mask and staying away from WH due to Corona fears and you said anyone excessively concerned about Corona is a libtard and does not have own brain.People can carry and spread the virus (any pathogen for that matter) but still not be sick from it. Maybe still nobody told you so?

Yes, Mitch acted like a scared libtard on this case IMHO. Happy? Remember, that doesn't make him a full libtard like the never Trumper full libtards. Anyone who's unable to adjust his views and opinions based on facts, stats and trends on a case by case basis is a complete brain-dead moron, which is one of the major traits of libtards.

Gino02
11-15-20, 16:39
Watch this, and let's wait for the next call for Unity from the "President-elect."

https://twitter.com/GerryCallahan/status/1327766569519353857?s=19

Mursenary
11-15-20, 19:29
Watch this, and let's wait for the next call for Unity from the "President-elect."

https://twitter.com/GerryCallahan/status/1327766569519353857?s=19Yeah that guy was such an innocent victim. Eyeroll. 2 animals and you just side with the animal that serves your agenda.

https://t.co/fCNBL7nRGI

Pessimist
11-15-20, 19:41
People can carry and spread the virus (any pathogen for that matter) but still not be sick from it. Maybe still nobody told you so?

Yes, Mitch acted like a scared libtard on this case IMHO. Happy? Remember, that doesn't make him a full libtard like the never Trumper full libtards. Anyone who's unable to adjust his views and opinions based on facts, stats and trends on a case by case basis is a complete brain-dead moron, which is one of the major traits of libtards."People can carry and spread the virus (any pathogen for that matter) but still not be sick from it. Maybe still nobody told you so?" - You have any proof that I said the opposite of this anywhere? Of course not. You are just mouthing off.

On the subject of Covid, I never made any super strong arguments in either direction. The one thing I have said consistently is that Trump was fucking incompetent in managing the outbreak in US and intentionally so. US having 18% of world deaths w / 4% of world's population is one solid fact (of course Trumpers claim he is not responsible for national health; state governors, mayors, municipal authorities are; he is happy though to take credit for any good outcome from anywhere, even a vaccine from a German private sector BionTech. Fancy that!

I did have a massive argument w / McA a few months ago that China probably played a strong role in spreading the virus, perhaps intentionally because they have the motive. I also said I have tons of sympathy for the economic calamity caused by shutdowns which is just as bad as the health calamity. For that reason, I never took any strong stance on Swedish approach one way or other -- there are no easy solutions here.

But you are the one who is making contradictory statements, which supports the conclusion that you are confused in your state of anger and don't even know which side you are on. You agree with Oregon that China has a strong chance of acquiring herd immunity due to past Coronas but you also said Chinese and pretty much all Asians need to be blocked from entering FKKs because they will infect the entire club.

As for your definition of libtard who fucking cares? You just project all the negative attributes you can think of into a fictional character that you name libtard. That is fine, except you call whoever you dislike a libtard regardless of real facts. By your own definition, any person lacking critical thinking is a libtard. But you make a prejudgement about a specific person / entire population based on your emotional overreaction, call that person a libtard and then go in search of reasons to justify that characterization. To me, that approach looks "libtardish".

Pahllus Maximus
11-15-20, 21:46
The winter wave of USA cases is here. Makes you ponder the thought that it is a CIA / Area 51/ Roswell / conspiracy / etc plot by pension and health funds to get rid of the elderly and sick and improve their cash flow and long dated liabilities = cash out on bonuses NOW.

Gino02
11-16-20, 04:02
"People can carry and spread the virus (any pathogen for that matter) but still not be sick from it. Maybe still nobody told you so?" - You have any proof that I said the opposite of this anywhere? Of course not. You are just mouthing off.Expected you, with so much to write to justify your points, to be smarter than this to connect the dots. Oh well, my bad.


As for your definition of libtard who fucking cares? That's what I thought too, was just supporting you by responding to your question in your last post about it. Again, my bad for not being able to guess that you forget too fast. Or maybe when you have to lie to so many people (starting with your wife and kids to everyone around you to get to Sugar Babes or FKKs or even to just make time to write on the mongering boards, or to justify your political views) all day long, it's not quite easy to remember everything. Maybe stop lying, and it will be easier for you to remember simple truth and facts, but hey I know you are not the kind who will take such an advice, so here I stop.

Pessimist
11-16-20, 18:19
Or maybe when you have to lie to so many people (starting with your wife and kids to everyone around you to get to Sugar Babes or FKKs or even to just make time to write on the mongering boards, or to justify your political views) all day long, it's not quite easy to remember everything. Maybe stop lying, and it will be easier for you to remember simple truth and facts, but hey I know you are not the kind who will take such an advice, so here I stop.Ouch, these moralists, sprouting faster than weeds in my backyard in spring I tell you. From you or the fuckterd race warrior or others, all of them pushing their personal code of fucking morals on to me and preaching about lies and marital fidelity. Very touching. We are on a site dedicated to mongering activities, for fuck's sake. When I need help easing my conscience, I will go to my preacher (been a while, sadly).

"or to justify your political views) all day long," - I definitely applaud the restraint you show in not pushing your political views all day long. Kudos. LOL.

Mursenary
11-17-20, 00:23
Ouch, these moralists, sprouting faster than weeds in my backyard in spring I tell you. From you or the fuckterd race warrior or others, all of them pushing their personal code of fucking morals on to me and preaching about lies and marital fidelity. Very touching. We are on a site dedicated to mongering activities, for fuck's sake. When I need help easing my conscience, I will go to my preacher (been a while, sadly).

"or to justify your political views) all day long," - I definitely applaud the restraint you show in not pushing your political views all day long. Kudos. LOL.Calling you out for promoting mass deportation (the record proves as such no matter how much you deny it) and your tendency to lump all asians into one monolith and blame the atrocities of some random nation to a person of unrelated nationality is just pointing out your ignorance, hardly being a race warrior. Your proclaimed exposure to cultural diversity makes your ignorance even more shameful.

Mongering and marital infidelity are two separate activities. At least we're not lying to our life partners. What a fraud.

Gino02
11-17-20, 01:26
Ouch, these moralists, sprouting faster than weeds in my backyard in spring I tell you. From you or the fuckterd race warrior or others, all of them pushing their personal code of fucking morals on to me and preaching about lies and marital fidelity. Very touching. We are on a site dedicated to mongering activities, for fuck's sake. When I need help easing my conscience, I will go to my preacher (been a while, sadly).

"or to justify your political views) all day long," - I definitely applaud the restraint you show in not pushing your political views all day long. Kudos. LOL.No point teaching or pointing morals to cheaters, I just wanted to point out that maybe you are forgetting things having to lie all day long so much. But then again it's my bad, stubborn people don't take suggestions for improvements.

On the topic of political views, it's no use justifying them to brainwashed libtards, I just let people know what's my view, and share some relevant facts. I'm not writing pages of political craps to prove my points unlike some folks here LOL.

Pessimist
11-17-20, 04:34
No point teaching or pointing morals to cheaters, I just wanted to point out that maybe you are forgetting things having to lie all day long so much. But then again it's my bad, stubborn people don't take suggestions for improvements.

On the topic of political views, it's no use justifying them to brainwashed libtards, I just let people know what's my view, and share some relevant facts. I'm not writing pages of political craps to prove my points unlike some folks here LOL.I thought the prior comment was your last dig? "but hey I know you are not the kind who will take such an advice, so here I stop." And BTW, I see you always reply back but think you are "not writing pages of political craps to prove my points". Perhaps you can't express yourself beyond using a few words such as libtards and that might explain why "you are not writing pages". Like your hero who jumbles the same 20 bigly beautiful words in a tremendously random beautiful amazing way. You should learn how he makes those weird hand movements, then you will be golden.

As I said, I have the fuckterd race warrior attacking me that I am some kinda racist (nevermind that he is patron saint of discriminating door clubs), Shoe Swede calling me a liberal Dem, and Mr Gino of pithy brevity calling me libtard. Alright then. They all seem to love each other though. Opposite ends do meet at the extremes, per some theory.

Good night!

Mursenary
11-17-20, 15:27
As I said, I have the fuckterd race warrior attacking me that I am some kinda racist (nevermind that he is patron saint of discriminating door clubs), Shoe Swede calling me a liberal Dem, and Mr Gino of pithy brevity calling me libtard. Alright then. They all seem to love each other though. Opposite ends do meet at the extremes, per some theory.

Good night!Bahaha, saying something all day doesn't make it true.

After all of the phony pleasantries I'm glad I could do my part in exposing what fraud this guy is. Emotional, illogical, overly sensitive. A man child who grasp at straws.

Gino02
11-17-20, 15:53
I thought the prior comment was your last dig? "but hey I know you are not the kind who will take such an advice, so here I stop." And BTW, I see you always reply back but think you are "not writing pages of political craps to prove my points". Perhaps you can't express yourself beyond using a few words such as libtards and that might explain why "you are not writing pages". Like your hero who jumbles the same 20 bigly beautiful words in a tremendously random beautiful amazing way. You should learn how he makes those weird hand movements, then you will be golden.

As I said, I have the fuckterd race warrior attacking me that I am some kinda racist (nevermind that he is patron saint of discriminating door clubs), Shoe Swede calling me a liberal Dem, and Mr Gino of pithy brevity calling me libtard. Alright then. They all seem to love each other though. Opposite ends do meet at the extremes, per some theory.

Good night!Going off-topic whenever realizes lost the argument. Typical libtard.

BigBuddy69
11-17-20, 18:21
That's funny but I just read il 'LE monde' (French newspaper) that Swede was totally changing its strategy and enforcing some kind of light lock down. Maybe the former strategy was not working so well.

Mursenary
11-17-20, 20:37
Going off-topic whenever realizes lost the argument. Typical libtard.This one though, even more nonsensical with his pejoratives from 2008.

Gino02
11-17-20, 22:38
That's funny but I just read il 'LE monde' (French newspaper) that Swede was totally changing its strategy and enforcing some kind of light lock down. Maybe the former strategy was not working so well.Yeah I saw that too. Right now (data as of 15 minutes ago), here are the 7 day moving averages of Covid-19 Deaths per million population: Austria = 6.89, France = 9.45, Germany = 2.11 and Sweden = 0.90.

Let's see which strategy is / was more effective in the long run.

Pessimist
11-17-20, 23:34
Pleasantries are reserved for normal people. Fuckterd race warriors will be called out as such. High school must have been painful hehe. The only thing you exposed is that you are ashamed of your own profession and pose around as a doctor when you are really a lowly paid researcher that brings shame to his parents. Glad you found common cause with Gino. As I said, crazies from left and right converge at the extremes as in a horse shoe (a large percent of Sanders' voters did vote for Trump, per exit polls).

Pessimist
11-17-20, 23:57
Going off-topic whenever realizes lost the argument. Typical libtard.Sure, speaking of winning arguments, you showed you haven't foggiest fucking clue about insider or equities but brought it up all the same. Typical uneducated Trumpard.

Sirioja
11-18-20, 00:14
NL also changed from no confine to confine. Sweden now close universities.

Paulie97
11-18-20, 02:03
That's funny but I just read il 'LE monde' (French newspaper) that Swede was totally changing its strategy and enforcing some kind of light lock down. Maybe the former strategy was not working so well.This surprises me because Shoo Swede said Sweden had already reached herd immunity. Then again new cases have been shooting through the roof there over the last month. And Shoo Swede also believes Trump will be back for a second term, that after they manage to purge those Liberal Democrat space aliens out of the voting machines. LOL.

Mursenary
11-18-20, 03:41
Pleasantries are reserved for normal people. Fuckterd race warriors will be called out as such. High school must have been painful hehe. The only thing you exposed is that you are ashamed of your own profession and pose around as a doctor when you are really a lowly paid researcher that brings shame to his parents. Glad you found common cause with Gino. As I said, crazies from left and right converge at the extremes as in a horse shoe (a large percent of Sanders' voters did vote for Trump, per exit polls).Keeping lying to yourself dork. South Asian, Jewish, or just a dorky white guy? I narrowed it down to those 3. Bahahaha.

Fucktard? Fuckturd? Fuckterd seems to be an odd choice in spelling. Fucking dork.

Gino02
11-18-20, 05:50
Sure, speaking of winning arguments, you showed you haven't foggiest fucking clue about insider or equities but brought it up all the same. Typical uneducated Trumpard.Dude, if you really want, I will teach you options trading to shut your fucking condescending douchebag mouth. Go tell another lie to your wife and kids why you are not with them right now, you typical libtard liar in denial LOL.

Mr Ho
11-18-20, 12:13
Even I don't go so often than in Germany or Switzerland, but I know Catalunya and Romanians there are not on Germany or Switzerland or Austria level and most often more expensive than in Germany. Spain worth for me for Slavians meaning Belarus, Russians, Ukrainians. I don't care about brothels, but I want elegant beauties. They are rare in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, and also in Spain, but sometimes I find one. I need only 1.You said you go every weekend to Germany, Austria or Switzerland with your Manual Audi from Paris, you already forgot what you said before continuously?

Mr Ho
11-18-20, 12:25
So the virus was in Italy already in last September?

As for now, it is from wuhan China by French built laboratory, so it is still originally the fault of China and France!

Turgid
11-18-20, 13:27
Pleasantries are reserved for normal people. Fuckterd race warriors will be called out as such. High school must have been painful hehe. The only thing you exposed is that you are ashamed of your own profession and pose around as a doctor when you are really a lowly paid researcher that brings shame to his parents. Glad you found common cause with Gino. As I said, crazies from left and right converge at the extremes as in a horse shoe (a large percent of Sanders' voters did vote for Trump, per exit polls).I had backed Sanders, he was for decriminalizing sex work.

Pessimist
11-18-20, 14:39
NL also changed from no confine to confine. Sweden now close universities.What are the vaccine plans in Europe and in each country? PFE / Biontech and MRNA have the most advanced vaccines but they can only make 45 mil doses (sufficient for 22-23 million people) by January. This is going to be a international political brawl? There was a press release from the companies that EU will be supplied out of the factories based in EU. I don't know if the above mentioned 45 mil doses by Jan includes both US and EU or just US. And in any case, that amount covers just a sliver of the population. Is it upto the companies to decide how many doses to supply to various countries or is there any protocol to this? I suppose by the end of 2021 or somewhere in 2022 there would be enough production to supply all, but the trick is what happens between now and then. There could be a lot of unpleasantness if say, cases spike in UK suddenly and politicians over there demand that their order be fulfilled but Biontech prioritizes supply to Germany for example.

Obviously Astra and other companies also have their own vaccines in development but I can see there would be some heated rhetoric on who gets the vaccine first in the coming months. Not to mention, there are 7 billion+ people in the world but for now the priority will go to those in US / EU unfortunately. There could be a big discussion of race / income / other ethics if it happens that cases are brought down sufficiently in the West and yet they keep administering vaccine to cover 70/80% of the population while say cases and deaths spike up uncontrollably in some poor, third world country. In such a scenario, there would be the inevitable discussion of "are those lives less important"?

I also don't know how much of a problem is the lack of cold chain in all these countries. I think the 45 mil doses from PFE+MRNA is an ideal situation number? If 45 mil doses are produced does not mean that many are administered because of the rigorous need for cold chain. That is tough enough in developed countries but could be a nightmare in third world. A whole bunch of doses may spoil while sitting in a leaked cold facility or sitting on a tarmac on a hot day.

Pessimist
11-18-20, 14:43
I had backed Sanders, he was for decriminalizing sex work.Was it just a line in a manifesto or was he actively pushing for it? Did he put out any detailed plan on the issue? He is certainly a maverick in some ways. However, if he had become the nominee (and even more difficult) won the presidency he would have had a tough time implementing the sex work legitimization plan across the country. Wouldn't that be a local issue? M88 would know.

ShooBree
11-18-20, 15:57
Pleasantries are reserved for normal people. Fuckterd race warriors will be called out as such. High school must have been painful hehe. The only thing you exposed is that you are ashamed of your own profession and pose around as a doctor when you are really a lowly paid researcher that brings shame to his parents. Glad you found common cause with Gino. As I said, crazies from left and right converge at the extremes as in a horse shoe (a large percent of Sanders' voters did vote for Trump, per exit polls).Yeah right, it's everyone else that's crazy, not you. I love your arguments, "fucktard", how original! Did you learn that while playing Minecraft online in your mother's basement? Did you even finish high school? That would be an achievement considering the "intelligence" that you display on this forum. It's a wonder that you haven't been banned already.

ShooBree
11-18-20, 16:02
That's funny but I just read il 'LE monde' (French newspaper) that Swede was totally changing its strategy and enforcing some kind of light lock down. Maybe the former strategy was not working so well.Well, that's incorrect. There are no lockdown, nor any light lockdown. Even if they wanted to, which they don't, they can't legally do so. You have stop reading and believe everything that fake news writes.

The "former" strategy was working excellent, in fact almost every other country have copied that strategy.

ShooBree
11-18-20, 16:06
Sure, speaking of winning arguments, you showed you haven't foggiest fucking clue about insider or equities but brought it up all the same. Typical uneducated Trumpard.Show your posts to your wife and ask her if she believes that it's a completely normal, sane person that wrote those. The answer may shock you.

Gino02
11-18-20, 16:08
The Russia Collusion accusation was proven to be a hoax. Now let's see if the Election Software rigging accusation is proven real or hoax. Time to sit back, relax and enjoy another show while we eagerly wait for the smart people to come to senses to reopen the FKKs so that we can again shoot our loads into the beautiful Romanian mouths.

ShooBree
11-18-20, 16:47
This surprises me because Shoo Swede said Sweden had already reached herd immunity. Then again new cases have been shooting through the roof there over the last month. And Shoo Swede also believes Trump will be back for a second term, that after they manage to purge those Liberal Democrat space aliens out of the voting machines. LOL.Still cracking jokes in your basement. I remember that you wrote that you don't care if people lose their jobs / businesses, homes and end up on the street. You truly are a role model for all of us. Tell us more about how you want to fuck people's lives up because you're a scared old man.

You praised NY so much, but NJ&NY are still the worst affected states in the world. I'm happy that Sweden are doing so much better than your failed libtard politicians. But let me guess, you put on CNN and saw how Fredo Cuomo called his brother Michael Cuomo a hero. So you picked your nose and thought, if it's on CNN it have to be true. Besides, why would Fredo Cuomo lie about his brother?

Gino02
11-18-20, 17:35
Coronavirus immunity may last years, possibly even decades, study suggests.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/11/17/coronavirus-immunity-may-last-years-possibly-even-decades-study-suggests/?sh=249615f34185

Mursenary
11-18-20, 17:40
The Russia Collusion accusation was proven to be a hoax. Now let's see if the Election Software rigging accusation is proven real or hoax. Time to sit back, relax and enjoy another show while we eagerly wait for the smart people to come to senses to reopen the FKKs so that we can again shoot our loads into the beautiful Romanian mouths.Proven to be a hoax and unable to be proven are very different things. Not that I care but framing matters.

Rocky V
11-18-20, 18:06
What are the vaccine plans in Europe and in each country? PFE / Biontech and MRNA have the most advanced vaccines but they can only make 45 mil doses (sufficient for 22-23 million people) by January. This is going to be a international political brawl? There was a press release from the companies that EU will be supplied out of the factories based in EU. I don't know if the above mentioned 45 mil doses by Jan includes both US and EU or just US. And in any case, that amount covers just a sliver of the population. Is it upto the companies to decide how many doses to supply to various countries or is there any protocol to this? I suppose by the end of 2021 or somewhere in 2022 there would be enough production to supply all, but the trick is what happens between now and then. There could be a lot of unpleasantness if say, cases spike in UK suddenly and politicians over there demand that their order be fulfilled but Biontech prioritizes supply to Germany for example.

Obviously Astra and other companies also have their own vaccines in development but I can see there would be some heated rhetoric on who gets the vaccine first in the coming months. Not to mention, there are 7 billion+ people in the world but for now the priority will go to those in US / EU unfortunately. There could be a big discussion of race / income / other ethics if it happens that cases are brought down sufficiently in the West and yet they keep administering vaccine to cover 70/80% of the population while say cases and deaths spike up uncontrollably in some poor, third world country. In such a scenario, there would be the inevitable discussion of "are those lives less important"?

I also don't know how much of a problem is the lack of cold chain in all these countries. I think the 45 mil doses from PFE+MRNA is an ideal situation number? If 45 mil doses are produced does not mean that many are administered because of the rigorous need for cold chain. That is tough enough in developed countries but could be a nightmare in third world. A whole bunch of doses may spoil while sitting in a leaked cold facility or sitting on a tarmac on a hot day.From what I can see the Biontech / Pfizer vaccine will be manufactured in Belgium and be distributed in EU first and then UK. For the Moderna vaccine, the CEO has already said they will distribute to US first and then to EU. AstraZeneca vaccine is expected to have similar efficacy as the Moderna vaccine (95%) and it will be manufactured in UK and Italy. I believe the first people to get the vaccine will be healthcare workers, then elderly people and then the rest of the population. Government are buying more vaccine doses than they need, so it's unlikely there will be shortages. The storage temperature issue is only theoretical as there are special distribution processes already in place. The Ebola vaccine was distributed in some regions in Africa very efficiently, even if it had to be stored at -20 C. If everything goes well, we will be back hand-in-hand with our girls in FKK by next Spring.

Rocky V
11-18-20, 18:08
So the virus was in Italy already in last September?

As for now, it is from wuhan China by French built laboratory, so it is still originally the fault of China and France!The first cases were observed in China in July and August 2019. Too slow to react!

ShooBree
11-18-20, 19:24
You said you go every weekend to Germany, Austria or Switzerland with your Manual Audi from Paris, you already forgot what you said before continuously?I'm not surprised, trolls usually expose themselves as liars sooner or later.

MaxSquatter
11-18-20, 19:50
You read my mind. Especially the ending part. Who among you thinks vaccines will be required for travel, entering FKK's? And who's going to get them if required?


The Russia Collusion accusation was proven to be a hoax. Now let's see if the Election Software rigging accusation is proven real or hoax. Time to sit back, relax and enjoy another show while we eagerly wait for the smart people to come to senses to reopen the FKKs so that we can again shoot our loads into the beautiful Romanian mouths.

ExpatLover
11-18-20, 20:01
You read my mind. Especially the ending part. Who among you thinks vaccines will be required for travel, entering FKK's? And who's going to get them if required?I have no idea what is sure as soon as possible I will get the vaccine, for so many years I got so many vaccines one more or less will change nothing for me and if it can make my life easier why not.

BigBuddy69
11-18-20, 20:21
Well, that's incorrect. There are no lockdown, nor any light lockdown. Even if they wanted to, which they don't, they can't legally do so. You have stop reading and believe everything that fake news writes.

The "former" strategy was working excellent, in fact almost every other country have copied that strategy.LE Monde is one of the most serious newspapers of the whole planet.

Sirioja
11-18-20, 21:33
You said you go every weekend to Germany, Austria or Switzerland with your Manual Audi from Paris, you already forgot what you said before continuously?Your problem is you don't understand English, like you don't know much about Romanian girls.

Canary
11-18-20, 22:01
You read my mind. Especially the ending part. Who among you thinks vaccines will be required for travel, entering FKK's? And who's going to get them if required?I will certainly have no issue having the vaccine but it may take a few months until my age group is allowed to take it.

Initially for several months or possibly longer proof of having had the vaccine will be required to allow you to fly and avoid the pre COVID checks.

With regards to FKK land I would be totally amazed if the German authorities don't use as a prerequisite to reopening the need for men & women to provide evidence that a vaccine has been taken.

Sirioja
11-18-20, 22:02
What are the vaccine plans in Europe and in each country? PFE / Biontech and MRNA have the most advanced vaccines but they can only make 45 mil doses (sufficient for 22-23 million people) by January. This is going to be a international political brawl? There was a press release from the companies that EU will be supplied out of the factories based in EU. I don't know if the above mentioned 45 mil doses by Jan includes both US and EU or just US. And in any case, that amount covers just a sliver of the population. Is it upto the companies to decide how many doses to supply to various countries or is there any protocol to this? I suppose by the end of 2021 or somewhere in 2022 there would be enough production to supply all, but the trick is what happens between now and then. There could be a lot of unpleasantness if say, cases spike in UK suddenly and politicians over there demand that their order be fulfilled but Biontech prioritizes supply to Germany for example.

Obviously Astra and other companies also have their own vaccines in development but I can see there would be some heated rhetoric on who gets the vaccine first in the coming months. Not to mention, there are 7 billion+ people in the world but for now the priority will go to those in US / EU unfortunately. There could be a big discussion of race / income / other ethics if it happens that cases are brought down sufficiently in the West and yet they keep administering vaccine to cover 70/80% of the population while say cases and deaths spike up uncontrollably in some poor, third world country. In such a scenario, there would be the inevitable discussion of "are those lives less important"?

I also don't know how much of a problem is the lack of cold chain in all these countries. I think the 45 mil doses from PFE+MRNA is an ideal situation number? If 45 mil doses are produced does not mean that many are administered because of the rigorous need for cold chain. That is tough enough in developed countries but could be a nightmare in third world. A whole bunch of doses may spoil while sitting in a leaked cold facility or sitting on a tarmac on a hot day.Moderna have French boss, but I won't even take Sanofi vaccine. I have my own test, my sports. Wish to go to free ride for Christmas at 3000 meters high, to test my heart and lungs from big shocks under violence of real sport. Would be my best present and I need it.

Smoke Light
11-18-20, 22:27
You read my mind. Especially the ending part. Who among you thinks vaccines will be required for travel, entering FKK's? And who's going to get them if required?If required for travel, vaccination process has to be somehow certifiable. I've been reading few months ago there could be international travel agreements between the countries. My wild guess is you'll have to register with a consulate web site and enter your passport info together with immunization history.

What scares me is roughly half of US population could ignore the vaccine. If virus still raging in the US while Europe gets it under control, we US mongers experience another setback of inadmissibility to European countries. Complete speculation but keeps me awake at night.

Each media report on vaccines goes along with visuals of 5 inch needles penetrating someone's shoulder. WTF! I don't see how this is helping in the right direction, most likely contributing to a needle anxiety in a large segment of population. My 2 cents.

Sirioja
11-18-20, 23:54
Aren't Swedish universities almost closed? When Stockholm competed with NYC for deaths rate, worst in Europe.

Sirioja
11-19-20, 00:19
The first cases were observed in China in July and August 2019. Too slow to react!Arrived in Western Europe in October 2019 after military sport competition in China. In Europe, doctors didn't know what it was, and Chinese lied for months.

ShooBree
11-19-20, 02:46
LE Monde is one of the most serious newspapers of the whole planet.But obviously not the most accurate.

Sirioja
11-19-20, 07:12
When you seem so scared about this virus, and you are right if you are at health risk, like diabetes or obese or cancer or weak health, but you should also know there are risks about vaccines, furthermore when they were made rushing, becoming now a big business to come. I won't take these vaccines, even Chinese and Russian should not be allowed in France, being maybe more risky than virus, for me.

BigBuddy69
11-19-20, 07:44
But obviously not the most accurate.So many inaccurate newspapers according to you.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

https://www.ft.com/content/67fc5152-d500-4b9e-ad5c-79e1bf2b68e2

What should I read? Your Facebook page?

Downandup
11-19-20, 10:12
Arrived in Western Europe in October 2019 after military sport competition in China. In Europe, doctors didn't know what it was, and Chinese lied for months.Also found in Northern Italy last Autumn, a retest of bloodwork taken at that time showed the virus was already circulating. https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-italian-study-shows-idINKBN27V0KH.

Sirioja
11-19-20, 10:20
Also found in Northern Italy last Autumn, a retest of bloodwork taken at that time showed the virus was already circulating. https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-italian-study-shows-idINKBN27V0KH.Italy is in Western Europe for me, even also Southern. At this time, nobody knew about this virus, our doctors thinking about grippe, but Chinese knew but didn't give information about this killer virus which probably killed much more than they claim in China, land of truth and reliability.

Gino02
11-19-20, 16:10
I don't usually read MSM anymore, but even NYT couldn't stay silent on how hypocrite the libtards are becoming (obviously right media is even more vocal about these):

For California Governor the Coronavirus Message Is Do as I Say, Not as I Dine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/newsom-california-covid-french-laundry.html

And some morons here were giving credits to these libtards, and even voted for them. Oh well, you can't fix a stubborn stupid.

ShooBree
11-19-20, 17:37
So many inaccurate newspapers according to you.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

https://www.ft.com/content/67fc5152-d500-4b9e-ad5c-79e1bf2b68e2

What should I read? Your Facebook page?Are you for real? Why would you send a Swede links to American newspapers? What could they possibly write about the situation in Sweden that I don't already know? Americans are known for being arrogant and out of touch with the world outside of the US, but this really took the prize. As sending links to US media wasn't bad enough, one of the links contains nothing but an opinion piece.

Read Swedish newspapers or talk to people that live in Sweden and speak Swedish. I got first hand information, what you read is third hand information. And it isn't news, as much as it's their subjective opinions.

You either suffer from laziness and confirmation bias or are so brainwashed that you rather read third hand information from some foreigner than hear the truth from actual Swedes.

When I want information about another country I don't focus on what Swedish newspapers has to say, I read the local news and, if possible, speak to the locals.

Pahllus Maximus
11-19-20, 18:15
The gross death rate in the USA is 867.8 per 100,000, about 7,650 per day. It states the current toll attributed to COVID is 231,197 as at last week, and this means about 9% of deaths. If causation is believed. Influenza recorded deaths has roughly quadrupled in 2020, so let's assume it is broadly accurate.

What is not stated in the popular media is that 81% of deaths are people over 65. Most are white. Black folks constitute about 13% of the USA Population but suffered 23% of all COVID deaths.

Besides some equality issues implicit in this, COVID is all about boomers and old folks overwhelming the hospitals.

Lastly, good health, exercise, and regular fasting and food can drastically improve peoples lives. A lot of deaths are lifestyle disease. 36% is heart and diabetes and cancer another 28%. Diet is strongly correlated with these, and fat is not the problem. Insulin and obesity are the culprits, and that is mostly caused by starch and sugars. Last night I went to a supermarket. If you subtract the outer meat, dairy and fruit / vegetable sections, the other core aisles is 85% is pure crap. There should be a International Mongers Association (IMA) symbol showing a flaccid penis caused by eating this shit and / or too much of it.

Vascular problems impact the ability to have and keep a hard on for WG's to skillfully relieve that we so greatly cherish. So use this time to lift, run, slim down and get ready to ravish some youthful beauty 2021.

Pessimist
11-19-20, 18:53
I don't usually read MSM anymore, but even NYT couldn't stay silent on how hypocrite the libtards are becoming (obviously right media is even more vocal about these):

For California Governor the Coronavirus Message Is Do as I Say, Not as I Dine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/newsom-california-covid-french-laundry.html

And some morons here were giving credits to these libtards, and even voted for them. Oh well, you can't fix a stubborn stupid.Trump infected a couple of dozen at his ACB party including himself, stripper Mel, his son, fat Christie, and a bunch more. What kinda tard is he? Losertard? Thieftard for his numerous attempts to stall the certification and steal the election. As usual he is fucking incompetent at even stealing the election.

That said, CA Dems are in a special league of their own socialist bubble, so I agree with you there.

Mursenary
11-19-20, 19:01
People who are so hard left or hard right as to attach their identity to a political ideology must be living quite a sorry existence void of actual individuality.

Imagine being so attached to one ideology that you end up just dehumanizing entire groups of people and becoming the mirror image of all the things you dislike about them.

BigBuddy69
11-19-20, 20:54
When I want information about another country I don't focus on what Swedish newspapers has to say, I read the local news and, if possible, speak to the locals.What you say makes totally sense. Back in the days, when I wanted true information's about what was happening in USSR, I used to read "La Pravda". And my grandfather was a subscriber to "Volkischer Beobachter". This way he had first hand intel about Germany!

Is lobotomy mandatory in Sweden or just for ISG trolls?

Kuni042
11-19-20, 22:05
Nice pitch. Thanks for the additional pep talk.


The gross death rate in the USA is 867.8 per 100,000, about 7,650 per day. It states the current toll attributed to COVID is 231,197 as at last week, and this means about 9% of deaths. If causation is believed. Influenza recorded deaths has roughly quadrupled in 2020, so let's assume it is broadly accurate.

What is not stated in the popular media is that 81% of deaths are people over 65. Most are white. Black folks constitute about 13% of the USA Population but suffered 23% of all COVID deaths.

Besides some equality issues implicit in this, COVID is all about boomers and folks overwhelming the hospitals.

Lastly, good health, exercise, and regular fasting and food can drastically improve peoples lives. A lot of deaths are lifestyle disease. 36% is heart and diabetes and cancer another 28%. Diet is strongly correlated with these, and fat is not the problem. Insulin and obesity are the culprits, and that is mostly caused by starch and sugars. Last night I went to a supermarket. If you subtract the outer meat, dairy and fruit / vegetable sections, the other core aisles is 85% is pure crap. There should be a International Mongers Association (IMA) symbol showing a flaccid caused by eating this shit and / or too much of it.

Vascular problems impact the ability to have and keep a hard on for WG's to skillfully relieve that we so greatly cherish. So use this time to lift, run, slim down and get ready to ravish some youthful beauty 2021.

Kuni042
11-19-20, 22:09
This post is an indication how blank the nerves are. I don't think though it is justified to insult other community members. I really take issue.


Are you for real? Why would you send a Swede links to American newspapers? What could they possibly write about the situation in Sweden that I don't already know? Americans are known for being arrogant and out of touch with the world outside of the US, but this really took the prize. As sending links to US media wasn't bad enough, one of the links contains nothing but an opinion piece.

Read Swedish newspapers or talk to people that live in Sweden and speak Swedish. I got first hand information, what you read is third hand information. And it isn't news, as much as it's their subjective opinions.

You either suffer from laziness and confirmation bias or are so brainwashed that you rather read third hand information from some foreigner than hear the truth from actual Swedes.

When I want information about another country I don't focus on what Swedish newspapers has to say, I read the local news and, if possible, speak to the locals.

Mr Ho
11-20-20, 01:13
The first cases were observed in China in July and August 2019. Too slow to react!CCP hide it, even tried to arrest first doctor who reported the virus!

Gino02
11-20-20, 01:48
Trump infected a couple of dozen at his ACB party including himself, stripper Mel, his son, fat Christie, and a bunch more. What kinda tard is he? Losertard? Thieftard for his numerous attempts to stall the certification and steal the election. As usual he is fucking incompetent at even stealing the election.

That said, CA Dems are in a special league of their own socialist bubble, so I agree with you there.Trump might have done some favor by infecting those you mentioned, now that they have the anti-body / T-cells (read this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/11/17/coronavirus-immunity-may-last-years-possibly-even-decades-study-suggests/). And time will tell who is trying to steal the election from whom, let's just sit back, relax and enjoy the drama LOL.

Thanks for agreeing on the CA Dems; the best & brightest of them is leading the whole pack of Dems in the US House, another one is wannabe VPOTUS that's expert in lying and selling her pussy to get whatever she want (exactly like our Romanian FKK tutes) and another bright one was instrumental in bringing the great movie of How to Fail in Fake Impeaching Trump, remember? And then you have full crazies like AOC. So now you get it why I think the whole Dem party is not only scam, the people who vote for them are stupid libtards who don't even understand what's good for them?

BTW, thank you for a relatively civil conversation. Appreciate it.

Pahllus Maximus
11-20-20, 03:08
So much bitchiness, cattiness and name calling going on. These arguments have no ending. We give womens' knitting groups a bad name.

First principles: great health, food and freedom, strong erections and desire for beautiful young women and all ways and means to achieve that end. Left, right, black, white, yellow, purple, rich or poor, the real joy is the skin and warmth of a beautiful and lush woman and passionate, joyful sex as a celebration of life itself. That is a big deal on the short span we live and core purpose of this board.

COVID has disrupted this, but it looks like sex prison is coming to an end. I think my first will be a teen anal in mish, then a FFM, and I think I want to take a girl on skis on the mountain and think of her post coital pussy on the ride down. Maybe a spa, then a good night BJ (naturally one in the morning). What are some of the other plans here? Mursenary has excellent taste. See'Mon., lets hear some inspiration and red blooded male lust of post COVID 2021 !

Mursenary
11-20-20, 04:33
Is lobotomy mandatory in Sweden or just for ISG trolls?I find myself thinking, what kind of a Non-American living in Sweden would take it upon himself to become familiarized with so much of the gossip news in the US. His knowledge of impertinent tidbits like an American news anchor having a tussle over an Italian-American pejorative, in combination with his passion towards the American political dichotomy makes me wonder the veracity of his claimed citizenship and locale.

It's clear to most here that the contents of his posts are ill-conceived and only superficially and selectively "researched" having the aim to push a monospective (sic) worldview. His postings are very inconsistent with my experiences with western people who have an intercontinental life experience.

What Swede would bother to invest so much thought on American political drama. His posts have American conservative Jingoism written all over them.

Mursenary
11-20-20, 04:42
So much bitchiness, cattiness and name calling going on. These arguments have no ending. We give womens' knitting groups a bad name.This thread was renamed by the mods as "Rants and WTF are you talking about. " It seems that they have been more liberal with the posts that they let through here while maintaining higher standards in the other threads as you may have seen with the moderating of Ho's recent manic posting episode in the Lounge thread.

Perhaps you'll have a better experience over at one of those other threads. This thread here, it's the hood.

Mr Ho
11-20-20, 05:15
CCP hide it, even tried to arrest first doctor who reported the virus!France built the virus plant in Wuhan, China, and CCP hide the truth when pandemic happened, so literally it is the fault of France and CCP!

ShooBree
11-20-20, 14:49
I find myself thinking, what kind of a Non-American living in Sweden would take it upon himself to become familiarized with so much of the gossip news in the US. His knowledge of impertinent tidbits like an American news anchor having a tussle over an Italian-American pejorative, in combination with his passion towards the American political dichotomy makes me wonder the veracity of his claimed citizenship and locale.

It's clear to most here that the contents of his posts are ill-conceived and only superficially and selectively "researched" having the aim to push a monospective (sic) worldview. His postings are very inconsistent with my experiences with western people who have an intercontinental life experience.

What Swede would bother to invest so much thought on American political drama. His posts have American conservative Jingoism written all over them.It's interesting that you read and analyze my posts so carefully, yet you missed the part where I wrote that I've lived in the US for several years. Maybe, just maybe, that could partly explain my interest and knowledge of US politics. I find it much more fascinating that people that don't speak Swedish and never even been to Sweden suddenly consider themselves to be experts on Sweden because they read some opinion piece from some liberal propagandist that of course never set a foot in Sweden.

Your little buddy claimed that Sweden had a "light lockdown", which of course are factually incorrect. I know that because I've my boots on the ground. Any normal, reasonable person would backdown and realize that his sources are wrong, instead your little buddy decided to compare Swedish media to Pravda and Nazi media.

I've got two questions for you:

1. How comes that a self proclaimed physician has all this time to spend on ISG during a pandemic?

2. Have you ever mongered? Do you have any proof that you've even been to Germany?

Gino02
11-20-20, 15:30
Sorry this is a bit late, still funny eh?

BigBuddy69
11-20-20, 15:55
Your little buddy claimed that Sweden had a "light lockdown", which of course are factually incorrect. I know that because I've my boots on the ground. Any normal, reasonable person would backdown and realize that his sources are wrong, instead your little buddy decided to compare Swedish media to Pravda and Nazi media.I'm just following your logic troll. You're the one who said that local newspapers know better, I just showed you some counter examples.

https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news/2020/november/stricter-general-recommendations-in-jamtland-county

Is this source more adequate for you? Seems like they're strongly discouraging people from gathering together and pushing for everyone to work at home. Sounds like the herd immunity strategy that you were bragging about is not working so well. "stricter recommendations", isn't it some kind of light lockdown?

And the two following ones, are they deep fakes from some Joe Biden's cock sucking leftwing commie liberal media?

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/11/coronavirus-sweden-to-ban-sale-of-alcohol-after-10pm-to-curb-virus-spread

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-lofven/swedish-pm-warns-pandemic-respite-over-as-deaths-start-rising-idUKKBN27J1SZ

Smoke Light
11-20-20, 16:28
And then you have full crazies like AOC.Hmmm. AOC is for full legalization and decriminalization of commercial sex. If I was in her district, I would vote for her.

If she was a WG, I might bang her in all three holes. She looks nerdy wearing glasses. I am curious what others think about her.

Mursenary
11-20-20, 17:28
It's interesting that you read and analyze my posts so carefully, yet you missed the part where I wrote that I've lived in the US for several years. Maybe, just maybe, that could partly explain my interest and knowledge of US politics. I find it much more fascinating that people that don't speak Swedish and never even been to Sweden suddenly consider themselves to be experts on Sweden because they read some opinion piece from some liberal propagandist that of course never set a foot in Sweden.

Your little buddy claimed that Sweden had a "light lockdown", which of course are factually incorrect. I know that because I've my boots on the ground. Any normal, reasonable person would backdown and realize that his sources are wrong, instead your little buddy decided to compare Swedish media to Pravda and Nazi media.

I've got two questions for you:

1. How comes that a self proclaimed physician has all this time to spend on ISG during a pandemic?

2. Have you ever mongered? Do you have any proof that you've even been to Germany?1. Nightshift doldrums and the wonderful ICU nurses, respiratory therapists, and patient care techs that deserve so much more credit for the work they do while I write orders from my computer. The periodic crashing patient and 3 am patient admission requiring intubation do keeps things interesting.

I will add that it's quite interesting that people are quick to cast doubt on another's occupation due to perceived prestige. Definitely some insecurities going on here. I've even made it a point as to not even utter direct phrases like, "I am a physician" or silly little boasts like, "My profession is noble", yada yada yada, as to not tap into these insecurities. A decent human wouldn't really care. One of the cooler dudes I've met in an FKK was an ice machine repairman visiting from Boston. Dude was so much more interesting than the fly-through businessmen who place their self worth on their salary. It's a gross way to look at life and other humans to be honest.

2. Yes.

Enclosed are some nice PG-non-WG pictures of the outdoor areas of some clubs as to maybe stir up some fond memories. Sharks and Oase gardens are pretty in the winter snow. Views from an August day from Welcum's garden is breathtaking.

Bonus: I've only spoken a handful of times about the Swedish covid approach and don't entirely reject their methods. I do have skepticism about the way you portray current life in Sweden as even the Swedish publications suggest that the populace has accepted many of the mitigation efforts. Easily verifiable data and policies such as 90% decrease in domestic travel, reduction in public transport use, limits on crowd size, secondary school and universities practicing study-from-home are all observations that suggests that most Swedes take this covid threat a bit more serious than the likes of Shoe and HammerTime. All of this is to actually give credit to Swedes and their ability to be responsible without extreme lock down measures mandated by the government. But it does seem that the picture that you paint of current Swedish society during covid is incongruent with the data.

BTW, so did any of the other European guys even have a clue as to what Shoe was speaking about when he referenced Fredo Cuomo? Do you guys even know who Chris Cuomo is? I don't think he regularly appears on CNN International, just a nightly entertainment-news host on CNN domestic.

I hear Stockholm, Wisconsin is nice. Gothengurg, Nebraska has produced a few American football players. Maybe Torsby, Alabama is more up Shoe's political preference.

Ararat
11-20-20, 19:16
BTW, so did any of the other European guys even have a clue as to what Shoe was speaking about when he referenced Fredo Cuomo? Do you guys even know who Chris Cuomo is? I don't think he regularly appears on CNN International, just a nightly entertainment-news host on CNN domestic.
I probably spend more time in the US every year than even the most hardcore US mongers would spend in Germany.

I know there's a Cuomo that's a famous politican from New York. I'd have to check Google to confirm if he's the governor but I think so. Other Cuome I wouldn't know about. I would say it's highly unusal if Europeans know anyone who isn't on the major talkshows that are on TV over here. Or of course is known from Hollywood.

It's similar to that I'd be suspicious of unknowns on the internet claiming to be Europeans but could discuss NFL or baseball like a native. Even guys who are interested in sports would be hard pressed to come up with the names of more than 10 teams. Any known player would because they're famous for something else. Like Tom Brady but I'm not sure even him would be a household name. For the sake of this answer I tried to come up with quarterback names but I could only think of a handful. Other players, not so much. This is no slight, it's just that it's not anything we bother with. I've been to a couple of games with American hosts but it's alien to me (and almost any European).

That said, I do think Shobre is from Sweden because that ghetto name isn't in the dictionaries. Maybe he's from an Arab area in the US but I think he's from one of the Stockholm ghettos such as Rinkeby or Alby. Everytime I visit Berlin there are groups of young MENA men onboard who are headed for Artemis. I have seen use him a ghetto insult in Swedish too.

ExpatLover
11-20-20, 19:25
Yes of course we are too stupid to know the Cuomo brothers. We can also watch CNN (strong democrats supporters) or Fox (Trump supporters) available for free. I really appreciate the American people, worked with them several years and it was a great pleasure, the things are straight forward, clear like working with German people. You should not trying to segregate US and Europe never forget that 90% if not more of the Americans are coming from Europe, just check where your grand parents are from.

ShooBree
11-20-20, 19:27
I'm just following your logic troll. You're the one who said that local newspapers know better, I just showed you some counter examples.

https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news/2020/november/stricter-general-recommendations-in-jamtland-county

Is this source more adequate for you? Seems like they're strongly discouraging people from gathering together and pushing for everyone to work at home. Sounds like the herd immunity strategy that you were bragging about is not working so well. "stricter recommendations", isn't it some kind of light lockdown?

And the two following ones, are they deep fakes from some Joe Biden's cock sucking leftwing commie liberal media?

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/11/coronavirus-sweden-to-ban-sale-of-alcohol-after-10pm-to-curb-virus-spread

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-lofven/swedish-pm-warns-pandemic-respite-over-as-deaths-start-rising-idUKKBN27J1SZIt's absolutely not a "light lockdown", unless the definition of a lockdown changed drastically the last couple of days.

Have you heard the expression making a mountain out of a molehill? People have been working from home since mid March and the recommendations that you're talking about was put in place for most parts of the country in March. But cool that you just noticed it.

It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened. There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March. So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect. Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now. More importantly, no lockdown! Still open for business!

Samplerr
11-20-20, 19:39
BTW, so did any of the other European guys even have a clue as to what Shoe was speaking about when he referenced Fredo Cuomo?It was likely in reference to The Godfather Part II. Presumably Andrew and Chris instead of Michael and Fredo.

Martin39
11-20-20, 19:45
Interesting to read in a FKK Germany forum so much about USA Politics (and football, people writing about the GOAT, and for the record I am neither a Pats nor Bucs fan).

I want a new party in the US. Can we have a socially liberal party with conservative economics? Then we can start out own FKK's and don't have to spend money outside the US anymore. Switzerland is probably the closest to it. FKK's, business friendly and low taxes.

Mongerer88
11-20-20, 20:03
Hmmm. AOC is for full legalization and decriminalization of commercial sex. If I was in her district, I would vote for her.

If she was a WG, I might bang her in all three holes. She looks nerdy wearing glasses. I am curious what others think about her.AOC does get it right on sex work. I disagree with her on everything else, but she does totally get it on sex work, even drilling down into the evils of Fosta / Sesta.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/15/aoc-kicks-off-reelection-campaign-in-queens-touts-ambitious-goals/

Kamala Harris is the one to be concerned about, given her past record.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kamala-harris-sex-workers-joe-biden-vice-president-1043941/

https://reason.com/2019/04/23/harris-clarifies-that-she-does-not-support-prostitution-decriminalization-would-use-executive-power-to-toughen-gun-laws-reason-roundup/

The mainstream media is simply incapable of having a reasonable discussion regarding sex work.

Kamala supports the Nordic Model, not decriminalization, although you wouldn't know it from her years as California Attorney General, where she went after women doing street prostitution and low-cost classified advertising, and was an immediate architect of Fosta / Sesta upon entering the USA Senate.

Kamala has no substance and merely blows with the wind. Consequently, it is possible that the left wing women supporting full decriminalization will have some sway with her, particularly if the prevailing attitudes of the country go that direction. When she was California Attorney General, the trafficking myth folks (beware of that Super Bowl) were out in force. So it is simply a matter of who has her ear on the subject, since her apparent lack of brainpower makes it difficult for her to make a decision based on competing data.

Her boss, Mr. Biden, simply does not comment or answer questions on the subject. It would seem that in 40 or so years as a lawmaker, it has not come up, nor has he ever given any thought about it.

It is unclear if the Nordic Model would, or would not, be an improvement in the United States. It was simply irrelevant in Canada, although it simply replaced an already bizarre system and largely where outcall was legal as long as none of the elements were observable, but incall was illegal under all circumstances. Participants of an outcall transaction were entitled to Privacy under a court decision somewhat similar to the USA 's Roe v. Wade, but the decision did not extend to incall. When a later court declared that decision too stupid to persist, they forced legislators to act and Canada got the Nordic Model, and a rational decision by the police departments in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver to sweep it under the rug with a Prioritization Policy.

I don't trust USA Legislators to do any better, so I like the Biden approach of Don't Want to Talk About It, Never Even Thought About It, rather than anything Kamala would propose.

Pessimist
11-20-20, 20:44
Interesting to read in a FKK Germany forum so much about USA Politics (and football, people writing about the GOAT, and for the record I am neither a Pats nor Bucs fan).

I want a new party in the US. Can we have a socially liberal party with conservative economics? Then we can start out own FKK's and don't have to spend money outside the US anymore. Switzerland is probably the closest to it. FKK's, business friendly and low taxes.If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity is the first I. E. Fiscal hawk social liberal.

Bloomberg got trashed despite spending hundreds of millions of own money. Almost all the politicians with similar bent are phasing out. Kasich, Romney, Meg Whitman, Clintons, etc.

FT had a really good oped a few months ago. Their take was that if Trump had not been a traditional fiscal conservative guy when it came to policies / actions but had gone full bore on economic populism (renamed Obamacare as Trumpcare and expanded it; do a large infra project with roadworks etc, spend money on other nation building stuff), he would have been elected easy. He came within a whisker of winning anyway despite Covid mismanagement and being the traditional GOP guy on fiscal issues. Or if Bernie had not been so socially liberal on immigration and race, he could have won (he still won a bunch of people who voted for him in primaries and for Trump in general).

Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.

Pessimist
11-20-20, 22:03
First of all, the days of glamorous doctor are largely passé. Let us ignore the pomposity of oh I am so cool, I mix with the common folk and deign to speak to the repairman crap. In all likelihood, the unionized plumber, electrician etc is charging 125 to 150 an hour while some of the familycare guys are collecting such feeble amounts after the payment companies squeeze them so badly. For some specific personal reasons, a large % of the social gatherings / parties I attend with my spouse happen to be predominantly w / physician friends and families (second most, after those w / my own company folks / friends). The most common topics of discussion are (a) money and where / what they are investing (b) bitching about work: hours, patients, insurance, how physicians are slowly losing ground to the riff raff (c) some random clinical cases / diagnosis (naturally, I tune out of this discussion and drift away to another small group that is now starting to talk more general stuff by this time) (d) the quarter-marathon they have run, the golf club they have joined or some other expensive toy they bought of late (half of them are now pushing 50). I have seen more blatant bragging about wealth and the trappings of wealth at these gatherings than when I used to work in NYC / Boston areas a while ago where some guys were truly super wealthy but they really kept that side of themselves completely private.

Very few of these physician friends have any holier than thou, I am doing noble work crappy attitude to them. As always, his fullness is full of it. I have seen / heard humongous amounts of bitching about NPs and PAs and how administrators are slowly undercutting them using these ("why don't they go to medical school" type bitching is heard commonly). Most of them are tired and none seem to be the type that sit down with a mobile in hand typing up random dissertations with numbers, stats, trials, pharma molecules blah blah 24/7. I hear tons of clinical / diagnosis discussions at these gatherings, hardly any about theoretical research topics. None would agree to type up a hundred Covid messages and / or Sweden v US v some other nation pros / cons, if offered money.

So, that is my personal experience. And no, none of them think they are such hot shit that others in society are insecure around them. They know they are not. So, when some dude who is not X says he is X and claims everyone is jealous because he is X, well it all seems a bit too much.

Mongerer88
11-20-20, 23:46
If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity. ... Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.I agree. Social conservativism gives people something to have when it comes to identity politics.

In rural America, this often centers around church, which rails against abortion.

They believe, with some accuracy, that the government just prints money and hands it out to everyone but them.

So fiscal dove, social conservative appeals to a lot of Americans, especially in rural America where guns are popular.

Mursenary
11-21-20, 00:34
That said, I do think Shobre is from Sweden because that ghetto name isn't in the dictionaries. Maybe he's from an Arab area in the US but I think he's from one of the Stockholm ghettos such as Rinkeby or Alby. Everytime I visit Berlin there are groups of young MENA men onboard who are headed for Artemis. I have seen use him a ghetto insult in Swedish too.I think you may be correct. Like here in the USA, people of lower socioeconomic means are the ones that are much more care-free regarding their actions on this pandemic. Some must work because of the nature of their jobs, but at non-essential late night social venues, the people out and about are generally more of the riff raff. Even amongst the young 20 something year olds, the more well-to-do ones are not out at these venues as much as the rougher crowds.


Yes of course we are too stupid to know the Cuomo brothers. We can also watch CNN (strong democrats supporters) or Fox (Trump supporters) available for free. I really appreciate the American people, worked with them several years and it was a great pleasure, the things are straight forward, clear like working with German people. You should not trying to segregate US and Europe never forget that 90% if not more of the Americans are coming from Europe, just check where your grand parents are from.You misunderstand. It was not an insult to Europeans. It was a remark that most Europeans do not follow the tabloid drama of barely relevant American news anchors.

90% is absolutely too high. Europeans descendants probably make up roughly 60-65% of America with some grey areas due to the mixed genetic make up of South and Central American immigrants. African lineage about 13%. South and Central Americans about another 15%. Asians about 5%. 5% from other backgrounds.


It's absolutely not a "light lockdown", unless the definition of a lockdown changed drastically the last couple of days.

It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened. There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March. So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect. Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now. More importantly, no lockdown! Still open for business!Point is that there are some mandated restrictions and in practice, the population are acting responsibly and the virus factors into the average Swede's decisions on level of physical distancing. Voluntarily but similar effect nonetheless.

Yes, "Lock down" should be better defined.


First of all, the days of glamorous doctor are largely pass. Let us ignore the pomposity of oh I am so cool, I mix with the common folk and deign to speak to the repairman crap. In all likelihood, the unionized plumber, electrician etc is charging 125 to 150 an hour while some of the familycare guys are collecting such feeble amounts after the payment companies squeeze them so badly. For some specific personal reasons, a large % of the social gatherings / parties I attend with my spouse happen to be predominantly w / physician friends and fa.You're like a squealing greased pig, sprinting around from point to point while rolling in the mud. The term "perceived prestige" is referring directly to thought processes such as yours. In an attempt to make personal jabs, you are the primary perpetuator of this phenomenon. In an attempt to discredit me, someone who, of all things boastful, has never boasted about occupational prestige, you reveal your own personal sentiments of both perceived prestige and apparently personal disdain regarding the profession. There seems to be a fabricated recollection of events in your mind regarding my own personal boasting of occupation as I surely doubt that you can produce anything of the sort in the record.

Your impression of the occupation seems to also be very limited. As most physicians in the US have a molecular biology undergraduate background, most are easily capable of speaking eloquently regarding matters of hard science, some moreso than others. The occupation is also quite diverse in settings and personalities as there will be a broad spectrum of personalities and science focus from primary clinicians, to radiologist, orthopedic surgeons, emergency physicians, and the basement dwelling pathologists. And goes without saying, people within those specialties are also diverse individuals.

Your arrogance in insulting more blue collar workers and even respectable researchers reinforce such simple views towards other people. Now insulting mid level practitioners too, your worldview is disgusting. You seem to be a man of limited social interaction with little exposure to diverse socio-economic demographics. There seems to be a tendency to put people in boxes that is just not consistent with reality. But I'll directly ask, South Asian or just another dorky white dude?

Lastly Boomer, I'm quick with the phone. Being a Millennial and all.

Pessimist
11-21-20, 01:14
AOC does get it right on sex work. I disagree with her on everything else, but she does totally get it on sex work, even drilling down into the evils of Fosta / Sesta.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/15/aoc-kicks-off-reelection-campaign-in-queens-touts-ambitious-goals/

Kamala Harris is the one to be concerned about, given her past record.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kamala-harris-sex-workers-joe-biden-vice-president-1043941/

https://reason.com/2019/04/23/harris-clarifies-that-she-does-not-support-prostitution-decriminalization-would-use-executive-power-to-toughen-gun-laws-reason-roundup/

The mainstream media is simply incapable of having a reasonable discussion regarding sex work.

Kamala supports the Nordic Model, not decriminalization, although you wouldn't know it from her years as California Attorney General, where she went after women doing street prostitution and low-cost classified advertising, and was an immediate architect of Fosta / Sesta upon entering the USA Senate.

Kamala has no substance and merely blows with the wind. Consequently, it is possible that the left wing women supporting full decriminalization will have some sway with her, particularly if the prevailing attitudes of the country go that direction. When she was California Attorney General, the trafficking myth folks (beware of that Super Bowl) were out in force. So it is simply a matter of who has her ear on the subject, since her apparent lack of brainpower makes it difficult for her to make a decision based on competing data..The squad is irrelevant. If Dems had any sense, they would ignore them. Pols who come ultra safe districts / states are always useless. The tend to be the most extreme and just fuck it up for everyone else.

As far as views on legalizing prostitution go, what is the upside to any politician? Especially a pol gunning for nationwide or even statewide election? It will hardly pull in any new votes and will only turn off some / many. Even if they have a constructive view, they would keep quiet. Should. I would, if I were running for office.

It is one of those issues which is best swept under the rug. Don't know if it is the third rail, but there is extremely minimal upside. Not today. If this changes in 40 years from now remains to be seen and by that time I could be dead or might not care anyway.

We had some discussion about strip clubs a few months ago and the consensus was that they have gone down the hill, became more seedy, have worse service, more hands off. The same attitude permeates all of the paid sex scene in the public domain. Ironically, even as every single politician and churchman all the way to POTUS and pants down Falwell have been literally caught with their dicks in some girl's mouth, the political climate has not changed very much in favor of such legalization. I am no expert, far from it, but that is my layman's read. The best one can hope for is that they will let the sugarbabe type stuff alone, as it is really not that different from consensual sex between adults except there may be some quiet exchange of gifts in addition to body fluids.

Pahllus Maximus
11-21-20, 01:44
Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.

Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza!

Gino02
11-21-20, 04:14
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/australia/south-australia-pizza-bar-lockdown-intl/index.html

Is this an example of a garbage input (I mean the lies) produces garbage output (meaning stupid orders) if the software (meaning the brain of that decision maker) is missing data validation filter (meaning sanity), or missing logic (meaning brain cells LOL)?

ShooBree
11-21-20, 07:39
Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.

Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza!Wait, wait a minute. AOC is hot? I always thought AOC was the crazy horse face with bug eyes? I wouldn't spend 50€ on her.

Regarding her being "smart", wasn't she a bartender?

BigBuddy69
11-21-20, 09:14
It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened.Possible but really discouraged: https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/regional-guidelines-and-restrictions/stockholm-county.

What did your PM say? He said that:


"This is the new norm for the entire society," Lofven told a news conference. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel."Source: https://news.trust.org/item/20201116135516-ilta9/.

Is Reuters a fake news media?


There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March.Not so packed without big tables and no alcohol after 10 pm.


Restaurants will stay open, with a maximum of eight diners for each table, as will schools....Last week the government announced that bars and restaurants would not be allowed to serve alcohol after 10pm from 20 November until the end of February.Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/sweden-limits-public-gatherings-to-eight-people-amid-covid-surge.


So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect.How do you call this?


Decision on stricter general recommendations in Kronoberg and Södermanland County
Local visiting bans possible for retirement homes
The Government: Ban on serving alcohol after 10 pm
The government proposes further restrictions on public assembly. Starting on 24 November, for a four-week period, only eight people may attend general gatherings and public activities.Source: https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news.

Just new guidelines?


Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now.Not so much it seems.

Thank you BolsoTrump, it was a pleasure talking to you.

Ararat
11-21-20, 10:03
Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.

Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza!Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.

Martin39
11-21-20, 11:23
If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity is the first I. E. Fiscal hawk social liberal.

Bloomberg got trashed despite spending hundreds of millions of own money. Almost all the politicians with similar bent are phasing out. Kasich, Romney, Meg Whitman, Clintons, etc.

FT had a really good oped a few months ago. Their take was that if Trump had not been a traditional fiscal conservative guy when it came to policies / actions but had gone full bore on economic populism (renamed Obamacare as Trumpcare and expanded it; do a large infra project with roadworks etc, spend money on other nation building stuff), he would have been elected easy. He came within a whisker of winning anyway despite Covid mismanagement and being the traditional GOP guy on fiscal issues. Or if Bernie had not been so socially liberal on immigration and race, he could have won (he still won a bunch of people who voted for him in primaries and for Trump in general).

Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.I fully agree with you and I am aware my view is a minority and politicians (you named a couple on both sides) are getting extinct. Lower middle class did get slammed by globalization and even middle class jobs are not as safe as they used to be. Don't want to imagine what this trend will bring us going forward. The extremists on both side of the isle taking over their parties and the middle ground disappearing. Compromise seems to be a swear word nowadays.

I used to live in the bible belt and still (mail) vote there and have plenty of friends there (including Trump supporters). My house in the suburbs had plenty of churches within 1 mile. I did have guns at the house (usually locked in the safe though) and liked to shoot at a range or a friends farm.

Since this is a monger forum I still remember the old days in the 90's before it was cleaned up with plenty of monger options relative openly available in the city (brothel's, street walkers, .). Now even strip clubs have a no touching policy. In the older days you went to church on Sunday's and started sinning Monday morning, rinse and repeat. Clinton is a good example.

Sirioja
11-21-20, 11:39
Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.I agree, if I was US, I would vote Kamala Harris, for a more fair society. No worth to be number 1 when so many poor who can t have healthcare, or illegals. Trump is a big loser for this, and his economy is also down. US can t work without blacks, Latinos, Mexicans. Covid gave real image of US.

Mongerer88
11-21-20, 13:04
Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.Young or old, male or female, there are inescapable ironies that make the whole thing a waste of time.

If AOC truly believes in Decriminalization, that is the only unregulated, free market activity she believes in. She sees a sex worker selling sex to a customer in a private space, and she seems to see a transaction between a willing seller and a willing buyer that does not need to be regulated by the government. God bless her for once. Every other business transaction the lady has ever been presented with, including an Amazon corporate headquarters, all she sees is corporate evil that needs so much government regulation that any businessperson dealing with her throws their hands up and just says fuck it, we will build it elsewhere. And for what it is worth, I am skeptical that true Decriminalization could ever occur. Everything is regulated in the United States, even a kid trying to operate a lemonade stand needs a permit. The regulation and licensing, and its application to a business as controversial as sex work, would be the ultimate government shakedown for everyone involved. It just won't work. Even Germany basically just gives up on trying to enforce its regulations on sex work, in no small part because independent escorts are impossible to regulate, and imposing greater restrictions on its showcased legal brothels and FKKs would make the government look ridiculous. That is exactly the case in Australia, and the government does look ridiculous. If you look at the local Australian reviews websites, independent escorts are far more popular than the government-licensed brothels where CBJ is theoretically required. The USA Has by definition unregulated commercial sex work since it is illegal. No one who enjoys independent escorts and Sugar Babies would want politicians deciding how sex should occur, nor would sex workers want the government to dictate where and how they work. Virtually all American sex workers who get involved in politics want true, full Decriminalization, but they are amazingly naive that doing so would make sex work the only unregulated business in the whole damn country.

But the greatest irony of all is that the many USA Politicians who claim to believe in true free markets would look at that room where a sex worker is selling sex to a customer and immediately believe the sex worker must be a victim of exploitation and coercion. They look for the nonexistent pimp. It is truly bizarre.

Gino02
11-21-20, 13:37
Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.Yeah, true USA needs younger leaders, unfortunately though neither pay-by-pussy nor the crazy is a real leader. Germany also needs some younger blood in leadership. France got Macca, but he's surrounded and led by people too old, even in his bedroom. Unless there's a upper limit to a career in politics (something like 58 or 60), the policies are going to stay based on fear of death.

But young doesn't always mean good innovative thinker, some kid named Greta or the crazy sensationalist girl with three letter acronym already proved that to us numerous times. So there is that risk.

Mursenary
11-21-20, 14:41
I agree. Social conservativism gives people something to have when it comes to identity politics.

In rural America, this often centers around church, which rails against abortion.

They believe, with some accuracy, that the government just prints money and hands it out to everyone but them.

So fiscal dove, social conservative appeals to a lot of Americans, especially in rural America where guns are popular.These are the popular and clich portrayals of rural, red America, but it's much deeper than that. These political stances regarding religion and guns are only surface level talking points. They are not the root cause of the mentality. You can arbitrarily change those political positions and issues and the effect would still be the same. At the heart of their choice to position themselves on their side of the aisle are 2 things.

1. Pack mentality leading to tribalism.

2. Genuine disdain for the leftist agenda.

The first is a natural phenomenon that's definitely mirrored on the left / liberal side. The latter is the Democratic party's own fault. They try too hard to tell people how to think and behave. They superficially get behind feel-good but poorly planned agendas. If the fuzzy, feel-good, kumbaya wing of the Democratic party would stop villainizing the tens of millions of good people who just want to live their lives without being told that they are oppressors of less fortunate people, there wouldn't be this fierce backlash leading people to support obviously incompetent leaders such as Trump.

They hate the phony, controlling wing of the Democratic party more.

As for the people who actually genuinely believe that the Trumpian message is a winning and productive platform, well as we condescendingly and facetiously say in the South, "Bless their hearts."

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/bless-your-heart

Pessimist
11-21-20, 18:26
I fully agree with you and I am aware my view is a minority and politicians (you named a couple on both sides) are getting extinct. Lower middle class did get slammed by globalization and even middle class jobs are not as safe as they used to be. Don't want to imagine what this trend will bring us going forward. The extremists on both side of the isle taking over their parties and the middle ground disappearing. Compromise seems to be a swear word nowadays.

I used to live in the bible belt and still (mail) vote there and have plenty of friends there (including Trump supporters). My house in the suburbs had plenty of churches within 1 mile. I did have guns at the house (usually locked in the safe though) and liked to shoot at a range or a friends farm.

Since this is a monger forum I still remember the old days in the 90's before it was cleaned up with plenty of monger options relative openly available in the city (brothel's, street walkers, .). Now even strip clubs have a no touching policy. In the older days you went to church on Sunday's and started sinning Monday morning, rinse and repeat. Clinton is a good example.Yeah, I live in a semi-red state as well but like all urban / suburbs, things are changing. My parents still live in the area I grew up in and that remains deeply red as you said and it feels a bit sad to see many people left behind. That said, Trump still received nearly half of college White vote; a slight majority in my office are right leaning from what I know. People have entrenched opinions. I am one of the few people that I know of who changed his vote in the last few years.

I owned a Glock compact and Winchester for a while; bought a 2nd one (19) during the pandemic but haven't had a chance to try it yet. I actually put an order for it in late Feb but finally got my hands on it in May.

ExpatLover
11-21-20, 19:20
Usually, this time of the year is spent planning for my last trip of the year to FKK in early December or in November, but this year instead I wait for Canelo fight and mike Tyson fight, whatta difference LOL!

At least, by coincidence, I went to globe in early this year in Jan. And Feb! Who would have thought virus would close all FKK for most of the year! We discussed about authority, this and that, but never thought virus via CCP going to affect FKK operations LOL! Whatta counter punch to mongering world LOL!You are right it was completely unpredictable. Also the fault of all he medias, I remember in may and June most of them were saying that may be a second wave will take place in winter most probably February. The second wave was already there end of October in Europe, now they all speak about the vaccine but the real specialist of the infection diseases have some doubts just because we have now variant 4 and for sure the vaccine will not work for variant 1 and 4.

ShooBree
11-21-20, 19:24
Possible but really discouraged: https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/regional-guidelines-and-restrictions/stockholm-county.

What did your PM say? He said that:

Source: https://news.trust.org/item/20201116135516-ilta9/.

Is Reuters a fake news media?

Not so packed without big tables and no alcohol after 10 pm.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/sweden-limits-public-gatherings-to-eight-people-amid-covid-surge.

How do you call this?

Source: https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news.

Just new guidelines?

Not so much it seems.

Thank you BolsoTrump, it was a pleasure talking to you.So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that I was right and you were wrong?

In regards to the recommendations, it's nothing new. It's basically the same old recommendations as in March.

You wrote that they changed their strategy, incorrect. You wrote Sweden had a light lockdown, incorrect.

ShooBree
11-21-20, 20:29
I think you may be correct. Like here in the USA, people of lower socioeconomic means are the ones that are much more care-free regarding their actions on this pandemic. Some must work because of the nature of their jobs, but at non-essential late night social venues, the people out and about are generally more of the riff raff. Even amongst the young 20 something year olds, the more well-to-do ones are not out at these venues as much as the rougher crowds.

Point is that there are some mandated restrictions and in practice, the population are acting responsibly and the virus factors into the average Swede's decisions on level of physical distancing. Voluntarily but similar effect nonetheless.

Yes, "Lock down" should be better defined.Actually, Shoo Bre is a book. But cool, I'm now an Arabic Trump-supporter from the hoods of Stockholm who used to live in Mountain View.

Unlike little buddy, you actually got a clue what's happening in Sweden. I much prefer the Swedish approach over the draconian measures some other countries resorted to. Since I don't cook I really don't want the restaurants to be closed down. That would be the death of me.

Mursenary
11-21-20, 20:51
Regarding her being "smart", wasn't she a bartender?Confirmation of simplistic thought process. Just another insignificant person who's unable to think outside of a bubble limited to their pre-packaged, of-the-rack ideas of reality.

I remember after undergrad, my first job was a research associate only making $40 K per year in Santa Barbara, California. That's basically $20/ hour in one of the more expensive places to live in America. But I kept a part time job as a bartender and pulled in 50 up to nearly $100/ HR (cash) in tips working at lounges and busy nightclubs. It's called a side hustle and a point of pride for people who who actually have bigger goals and are willing to work for it.

Sirioja
11-21-20, 21:33
When chloroquine for forbidden to try to cure virus in France, but vitamin the may be more safe than rush vaccine with other effects to discover?

Mursenary
11-21-20, 21:58
So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that I was right and you were wrong?

In regards to the recommendations, it's nothing new. It's basically the same old recommendations as in March.

You wrote that they changed their strategy, incorrect. You wrote Sweden had a light lockdown, incorrect.There ya go. That's Shoo's mentality summed up (along with a couple others). Their ultimate goal is not to reach understanding or to have fruitful discussion. Typed up clear as day here, their driving motivation is to simply "win" an argument. Along the way, the point of the conversation gets lost.

Palcon
11-21-20, 23:28
But I kept a part time job as a bartender and pulled in 50 up to nearly $100/ HR (cash) in tips working at lounges and busy nightclubs. It's called a side hustle and a point of pride for people who who actually have bigger goals and are willing to work for it.I applaud you man. It's too bad a lot of americans are living it up on their welfare checks and filling their carts w / shit and premium meats w / their SNAP benefits and complaining it isn't enough. Too much pride to go scrub some toilets or go work at Mickey DS.

ShooBree
11-21-20, 23:43
Confirmation of simplistic thought process. Just another insignificant person who's unable to think outside of a bubble limited to their pre-packaged, of-the-rack ideas of reality.

I remember after undergrad, my first job was a research associate only making $40 K per year in Santa Barbara, California. That's basically $20/ hour in one of the more expensive places to live in America. But I kept a part time job as a bartender and pulled in 50 up to nearly $100/ HR (cash) in tips working at lounges and busy nightclubs. It's called a side hustle and a point of pride for people who who actually have bigger goals and are willing to work for it.No one studies for 5 years at the university to become a bartender. Stop being so full of yourself and wake up to smell the coffee. It's a complete failure. One of my closest friends from high school became a bartender. He's doing great, but he sure as hell didn't waste 5 years and a lot of money for some university education he had no use for in his professional life.

Now she's an embarrassment for the whole country and it really goes to show that incompetence might very well be a necessity if you run for Congress in New York.

ShooBree
11-21-20, 23:57
There ya go. That's Shoo's mentality summed up (along with a couple others). Their ultimate goal is not to reach understanding or to have fruitful discussion. Typed up clear as day here, their driving motivation is to simply "win" an argument. Along the way, the point of the conversation gets lost.I love it, now when you realize that I was right you decide to attack my "mentality". Don't you get tired of being so dishonest all the time? Or is it that you just don't understand any better? It's amazing how you had nothing to say when I was attacked solely for pointing out the truth. You really should take a look in the mirror and spend more time on self-reflection than attacking those with a different view of things. Shame, shame on you.

And you don't need to worry, I got it. You're one of those obnoxious and arrogant hypocrites that so often are liberals / libtards.

ShooBree
11-22-20, 00:10
There ya go. That's Shoo's mentality summed up (along with a couple others). Their ultimate goal is not to reach understanding or to have fruitful discussion. Typed up clear as day here, their driving motivation is to simply "win" an argument. Along the way, the point of the conversation gets lost.Facts are facts, deal with it. You could teach me how to be an arrogant, disingenuous, obnoxious hypocrite. But I'm not sure I want to learn that.

Paulie97
11-22-20, 00:16
There ya go. That's Shoo's mentality summed up (along with a couple others). Their ultimate goal is not to reach understanding or to have fruitful discussion. Typed up clear as day here, their driving motivation is to simply "win" an argument. Along the way, the point of the conversation gets lost.Cut Shoo Swede some slack. He's wrong so often, got to afford him a celebration when he finally gets something right. Wink "Light lockdown" was not a good choice of words, but not a big deal. Is still better then his straw men / false choice fallacies, accusing anyone that went against his lassiez-faire, dive in and get infected approach of advocating "lockdowns," so the hypocrisy is noted.

Sweden essentially has the same thing going as my home state of Florida USA, with "guidelines" or even "mandates," as in my county. These though, as in my county, are mandates in name only as there is no enforcement. Without such of course there will be plenty of non-compliance, no matter the location, especially with plenty of guys like Shoo Swede around telling others how they should behave. Your point though was that Sweden isn't doing absolutely nothing, which is well taken.

Here's a quote from the Swedish prime minister earlier this month:

"The trends are quickly going in the wrong direction," Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven wrote on Facebook earlier this week. "More are infected. More are dying. This is a serious situation. ".

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-sweden-keeps-its-laid-back-covid-19-strategy/a-55531888

That's odd indeed for a country that Shoo Swede said had already reached the 20% (huh? Threshold for "herd immunity."

And a number of Swedish scientists and physicians are not happy with the current approach.

"In an open letter published in the daily Aftonbladet newspaper on Friday, 27 Swedish scientists and doctors warned the country could soon approach the sort of numbers in intensive care seen in the spring and called on party leaders to override the Health Agency and introduce tougher restrictions."

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-tegnell/second-wave-same-strategy-swedish-covid-19-czar-defiant-despite-surge-idINL1N2HZ1YJ

P.S. Shoo Swede, are you sitll holding out hope for Trump? His latest actions have been described as "the last shakings of a mad King. " lolol.

Mursenary
11-22-20, 00:59
No one studies for 5 years at the university to become a bartender. Stop being so full of yourself and wake up to smell the coffee. It's a complete failure. One of my closest friends from high school became a bartender. He's doing great, but he sure as hell didn't waste 5 years and a lot of money for some university education he had no use for in his professional life.
Hence the term "side-hustle. " You do it to fund bigger goals.

The financial realities of ordinary people escapes you.

Mursenary
11-22-20, 01:09
I love it, now when you realize that I was right you decide to attack my "mentality". Don't you get tired of being so dishonest all the time? Or is it that you just don't understand any better? It's amazing how you had nothing to say when I was attacked solely for pointing out the truth. You really should take a look in the mirror and spend more time on self-reflection than attacking those with a different view of things. Shame, shame on you.

And you don't need to worry, I got it. You're one of those obnoxious and arrogant hypocrites that so often are liberals / libtards.Once again, the big picture escapes you.

No one was trying to parse through terms like "light lockdown. " However, many were saying that Swedish society have largely enacted many mitigation efforts. Making the daily functions of society not much different than other parts of the world that have been deemed as "lock-down" countries. From the sound of it, the level of social distancing measures in Sweden is very much like much of the United States. Something like a "light lockdown. " Only difference being that efforts were nominally classified as recommendations rather than official policy.

But congrats on answering the questions that no one was asking and winning a one man competition.

Mursenary
11-22-20, 01:26
And you don't need to worry, I got it. You're one of those obnoxious and arrogant hypocrites that so often are liberals / libtards.
The latter is the Democratic party's own fault. They try too hard to tell people how to think and behave. They superficially get behind feel-good but poorly planned agendas. If the fuzzy, feel-good, kumbaya wing of the Democratic party would stop villainizing the tens of millions of good people who just want to live their lives without being told that they are oppressors of less fortunate people, there wouldn't be this fierce backlash leading people to support obviously incompetent leaders such as Trump.Yeah, the record shows I'm a real blind libtard. Eyeroll smirk.

Also, "Bless your heart. ".

Mr Ho
11-22-20, 01:36
You are right it was completely unpredictable. Also the fault of all he medias, I remember in may and June most of them were saying that may be a second wave will take place in winter most probably February. The second wave was already there end of October in Europe, now they all speak about the vaccine but the real specialist of the infection diseases have some doubts just because we have now variant 4 and for sure the vaccine will not work for variant 1 and 4.Well how many of European behaved during summer holiday season, this was predictable, I think it is to do with culture of freedom over caring about others and be disciplined, so you get what you get is the result!

It is almost contained here in my city, but infection rates did begin to rise and lets see if it can be remained this way, but it tend to be worst in nation where people are disciplined and responsible, on the same note, in our beloved Germany, people are protesting still on the street about mask without mask LOL!

Good news is that corona virus can only transform 12 to 14 times maximum, and it already transformed close to this number, so apparently it could become just another virus soon or later even before vaccine arrive! But we can forget about air travel before next summer minimum I think? The thing is I can go if I take PCR test to any nations in Europe without quarantine or restriction, but pcr test before 96 hours of departure, but why go now when things are all closed or restricted in Europe and most importantly, I do not want to get this corona virus!

It was most unpredictable thing for monger to stop mongering LOL It was not feminist, it was virus LOL! The guess what after virus, it maybe feminist changing law LOL! But it is good that there was no pandemic in German FKK LOL! That could have start the debate of dangerous FKK in German politic again!

Paulie97
11-22-20, 02:46
I applaud you man. It's too bad a lot of americans are living it up on their welfare checks and filling their carts w / shit and premium meats w / their SNAP benefits and complaining it isn't enough. Too much pride to go scrub some toilets or go work at Mickey DS.By the same token it's too bad there's losers in monger forums pretentiously looking down their nose at others. Lolol Whatever country you are in there's surely people taking advantage of the system there. Or if in the US, same thing, though most on such benefits are in poverty and are not living it up.

P.S. There's too little discussion of this kind of welfare. No matter it's certainly anti-thetical to free markets.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxanalysts/2014/03/14/where-is-the-outrage-over-corporate-welfare/?sh=d5d4df027ddd

https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/corporate-welfare/

https://www.charleskochinstitute.org/blog/corporate-welfare-undermines-real-free-enterprise/

Mr Ho
11-22-20, 03:32
If this is indicative of a change in the FKK business model to from all-you-can-eat to a la carte vis-a-vis time, it could be unpleasant and keep me at home.FKK ocean in Duss is a la carte ONE time before corona pandemic already, but food comparison within FKK industry was not bad at oceans and good thing was that all waters are served as mineral water in proper glass bottle which was big plus for me as I tend to drink only water in FKK!

I am not in FKK to eat, but I spend almost full day at FKK depending on club, so good enough food is plus! I never understood the hype of food at sharks, it was terrible Chinese food! I tend to prefer more hard to go wrong type of food at FKK like pasta, it is hard to cook good pasta, but it is hard to cook too wrong pasta!

Pahllus Maximus
11-22-20, 07:00
I think most of the WG's would crack up reading the cattiness and bitchiness here. PMS, small man syndrome or something causing all this fluffing up of feathers.

Let's get back to health and banging hot women.

Paulie97
11-22-20, 07:33
Confirmation of simplistic thought process. Just another insignificant person who's unable to think outside of a bubble limited to their pre-packaged, of-the-rack ideas of reality.He's a wannabe starry eyed, MAGA hat wearing American, so going after prominent leftists, especially a young cutie that he'd have no shot at getting next to, is part of the role. Only problem is that it's all completely out of reach because he's a Shoo Swede, and always will be. Though he's free to pretend online. LOL.

BigBuddy69
11-22-20, 08:48
So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that I was right and you were wrong?You don't know how to read? "not more than 8 people at a table", "possible ban of visits in the elders houses", that's what you cool "packed restaurants" and moving freely?


In regards to the recommendations, it's nothing new. It's basically the same old recommendations as in March.Not it's now, it's written everywhere on the website of your nice little country: "stricter general recommendations", "further restrictions", but it seems that you have severe understanding problems as soon as it doesn't fit your narrow visions of the world.

Ararat
11-22-20, 11:56
Actually, Shoo Bre is a book. But cool, I'm now an Arabic Trump-supporter from the hoods of Stockholm who used to live in Mountain View.

Unlike little buddy, you actually got a clue what's happening in Sweden. I much prefer the Swedish approach over the draconian measures some other countries resorted to. Since I don't cook I really don't want the restaurants to be closed down. That would be the death of me.One thing is clear and you're no Swede even though you now pretend you've worked for Google.

Maybe you lived too long at the end of the red or blue lines to learn proper manners because you're too quick to use insults such as "horunge" or "libtard".

You're Assyrian or Muhammed. No doubt about that.

Unlike you I support the closing of restaurants. Why would I care if some Assyrian has to move back to Norsborg or Ronna when he's bankrupted? Swedes with your opinions support that since they know only immigrants own restaurants.

I'm Swedish so I can cook. Of course.

Ararat
11-22-20, 12:01
I think most of the WG's would crack up reading the cattiness and bitchiness here. PMS, small man syndrome or something causing all this fluffing up of feathers.

Let's get back to health and banging hot women.Yeah,

But this pandemic irritates people and gets the worst out of everyone. It's not getting better since it's clearly become political too.

Ask Mutti to open the clubs so we can come. That would help a lot.

McAdonis
11-22-20, 13:53
So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. Gyms, museums, pools have been closed in Stockholm and Malmo since yesterday. They were closed in Gothenburg, the second biggest city, since the end of October: https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7604590.

Sweden was able to get away with a no-lockdown, no-masks approach and not overburden hospitals. What worked for Sweden would not have worked for most other countries. Sweden has universal healthcare, pay their people to stay home when sick, population is not obese, and the people are socially distanced by nature (unlike the Spanish or Italians). Sweden also has a low population density and is NOT a geographic hub for international travellers. Even though Sweden was lockdown free, the virus never spread sufficiently through its population from March to October. If it had, then infection rates would not be as high as they are now, because we know the chances of re-infection are extremely low.

Mursenary
11-22-20, 13:53
I think most of the WG's would crack up reading the cattiness and bitchiness here. PMS, small man syndrome or something causing all this fluffing up of feathers.

Let's get back to health and banging hot women.Other threads. Go over there instead. Read the title of the damn thread.

ShooBree
11-22-20, 14:38
One thing is clear and you're no Swede even though you now pretend you've worked for Google.

Maybe you lived too long at the end of the red or blue lines to learn proper manners because you're too quick to use insults such as "horunge" or "libtard".

You're Assyrian or Muhammed. No doubt about that.

Unlike you I support the closing of restaurants. Why would I care if some Assyrian has to move back to Norsborg or Ronna when he's bankrupted? Swedes with your opinions support that since they know only immigrants own restaurants.

I'm Swedish so I can cook. Of course.So much anger and racism but still so little knowledge.

A deranged racist talks to me about manners, you're the definition of white-trash. I wonder what Mursenary thinks about your blatant racism. I know your type, you write a lot of shit on the internet but when there are immigrants around you don't even dare to look at them. Loser.

Who cares if you can cook, do you want a cookie for that? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Everyone can cook, but I sure as hell don't have any desire or reason to do so.

Did I write that I worked for Google? There are a lot of tech companies in Silicon Valley. Use your brain for once. Stop being so envious and insecure of yourself. Sure I don't get the Connaiseur as I used to a few years back, but I still do good enough not having to live in any ghetto.

You've made yourself real clear, you're a sociopathic racist that takes pleasure in seeing decent, hardworking immigrants get their life's work destroyed. Go back to Flashback.

ShooBree
11-22-20, 19:27
You don't know how to read? "not more than 8 people at a table", "possible ban of visits in the elders houses", that's what you cool "packed restaurants" and moving freely?

Not it's now, it's written everywhere on the website of your nice little country: "stricter general recommendations", "further restrictions", but it seems that you have severe understanding problems as soon as it doesn't fit your narrow visions of the world.News flash: Most tables at restaurants are for less than eight persons.

News flash: Most people in restaurants are party's of four or less.

News flash: Most people and restaurants are therefore not affected by the "max 8 persons per table" rule.

News Flash: The national visitor ban to nursing homes was put in place the first of April.

News Flash: "stricter general recommendations", "further restrictions", is compared to earlier in the summer / fall. Not compared to March / April. So no, they still haven't change any strategy.

I feel sorry for you but you're a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

I guess you took the short bus to school.

ShooBree
11-22-20, 19:28
Gyms, museums, pools have been closed in Stockholm and Malmo since yesterday. They were closed in Gothenburg, the second biggest city, since the end of October: https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7604590.

Sweden was able to get away with a no-lockdown, no-masks approach and not overburden hospitals. What worked for Sweden would not have worked for most other countries. Sweden has universal healthcare, pay their people to stay home when sick, population is not obese, and the people are socially distanced by nature (unlike the Spanish or Italians). Sweden also has a low population density and is NOT a geographic hub for international travellers. Even though Sweden was lockdown free, the virus never spread sufficiently through its population from March to October. If it had, then infection rates would not be as high as they are now, because we know the chances of re-infection are extremely low.The private gyms are still allowed to be opened and constitute the majority of gyms.

ShooBree
11-22-20, 19:34
He's a wannabe starry eyed, MAGA hat wearing American, so going after prominent leftists, especially a young cutie that he'd have no shot at getting next to, is part of the role. Only problem is that it's all completely out of reach because he's a Shoo Swede, and always will be. Though he's free to pretend online. LOL.We get it, you're a leftist. I understand that AOC may look good to a pathetic old fart like you. She's under my league. She's hated even among a large part of those that voted for Biden. She was one of the best campaigners for Trump. She even accused Nancy Pelosi of being a racist. It only goes to show how crazy the Democrats are. So what do you say, is she crazy or are Nancy Pelosi a racist?

ShooBree
11-22-20, 19:36
Once again, the big picture escapes you.

No one was trying to parse through terms like "light lockdown. " However, many were saying that Swedish society have largely enacted many mitigation efforts. Making the daily functions of society not much different than other parts of the world that have been deemed as "lock-down" countries. From the sound of it, the level of social distancing measures in Sweden is very much like much of the United States. Something like a "light lockdown. " Only difference being that efforts were nominally classified as recommendations rather than official policy.

But congrats on answering the questions that no one was asking and winning a one man competition.You're so full of yourself that you completely missed the point. The point was that Sweden didn't change their strategy nor did they implement any lockdown. You say people changed their habits even in Sweden, for real? I had no idea.

ShooBree
11-22-20, 19:37
Hence the term "side-hustle. " You do it to fund bigger goals.

The financial realities of ordinary people escapes you.A side hustle after graduating the university? Most people I know did that during their studies, not after.

ShooBree
11-22-20, 19:42
Cut Shoo Swede some slack. He's wrong so often, got to afford him a celebration when he finally gets something right. Wink "Light lockdown" was not a good choice of words, but not a big deal. Is still better then his straw men / false choice fallacies, accusing anyone that went against his lassiez-faire, dive in and get infected approach of advocating "lockdowns," so the hypocrisy is noted.

Sweden essentially has the same thing going as my home state of Florida USA, with "guidelines" or even "mandates," as in my county. These though, as in my county, are mandates in name only as there is no enforcement. Without such of course there will be plenty of non-compliance, no matter the location, especially with plenty of guys like Shoo Swede around telling others how they should behave. Your point though was that Sweden isn't doing absolutely nothing, which is well taken..You are without doubt completely crazy, I've never told anyone what he should or shouldn't do. It's rather the opposite. I've been a strong supporter of letting people take decisions for themselves. You on the other hand revealed yourself to be a true fascist. You want to lock people up in their homes and forcing businesses into bankruptcy only because you're scared of the virus.

Aren't you the old fart who praised the political leadership of NY, the Corona Capital of the World. How awkward. Given the large number of retirees in Florida many assumed they would be the worst hit state. But no, NY really dropped the ball.

Pessimist
11-22-20, 19:49
I think you may be correct. Like here in the USA, people of lower socioeconomic means are the ones that are much more care-free regarding their actions on this pandemic. Some must work because of the nature of their jobs, but at non-essential late night social venues, the people out and about are generally more of the riff raff. Even amongst the young 20 something year olds, the more well-to-do ones are not out at these venues as much as the rougher crowds.

You misunderstand. It was not an insult to Europeans. It was a remark that most Europeans do not follow the tabloid drama of barely relevant American news anchors.

90% is absolutely too high. Europeans descendants probably make up roughly 60-65% of America with some grey areas due to the mixed genetic make up of South and Central American immigrants. African lineage about 13%. South and Central Americans about another 15%. Asians about 5%. 5% from other backgrounds.

Point is that there are some mandated restrictions and in practice, the population are acting responsibly and the virus factors into the average Swede's decisions on level of physical distancing. Voluntarily but similar effect nonetheless.OH BTW, "I like GT to change their door policy" is lame. When you patronize a known discriminating club, you are a discriminator yourself. And as I said, the equating of all Trump voters to Nazis was disgusting. ADL and FOxman would think that is equal to the worst denial of holocaust.

Mursenary
11-22-20, 22:06
So much anger and racism but still so little knowledge.

A deranged racist talks to me about manners, you're the definition of white-trash. I wonder what Mursenary thinks about your blatant racism. I know your type, you write a lot of shit on the internet but when there are immigrants around you don't even dare to look at them. Loser.

Who cares if you can cook, do you want a cookie for that? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Everyone can cook, but I sure as hell don't have any desire or reason to do so.

Did I write that I worked for Google? There are a lot of tech companies in Silicon Valley. Use your brain for once. Stop being so envious and insecure of yourself. Sure I don't get the Connaiseur as I used to a few years back, but I still do good enough not having to live in any ghetto.

You've made yourself real clear, you're a sociopathic racist that takes pleasure in seeing decent, hardworking immigrants get their life's work destroyed. Go back to Flashback.This guy is so American sounding it's funny. By whatever technicality you consider yourself a Swede, you do not seem to to be a representation of a Swedish person in culture.

No, I didn't attach racism to his comments. Stereotyping, sure, even using an ethnic pejorative, maybe. Socially aware people can parse the difference between making stereotypes and actual racist calls to action, like when someone calls for mass deportation of an ethnic group. That dude was weirdly unstable also.

It seems that you're also getting all mixed up in your American roots too. Mountain View, CA or Mountain View, CO? Silicon Valley? Hard to keep up.

This guy now writes about hardworking immigrants but also attributes low intelligence to people who have worked as bartenders. He can't even grasp the idea of a side-hustle.

I do disagree with Arafat that Shoo comes from the ghetto. I grew up in the hood, and my people don't come off as spoon-fed brats like this one does.

Love seeing these guys come unraveled.

Mursenary
11-22-20, 22:13
Good news is that corona virus can only transform 12 to 14 times maximum, and it already transformed close to this number, so apparently it could become just another virus soon or later even before vaccine arrive!No idea what is the scientific basis behind this statement. Mutation ability is near infinite. Become just another virus? Not sure what that means either.

Mursenary
11-22-20, 22:29
OH BTW, "I like GT to change their door policy" is lame.
When you patronize a known discriminating club, you are a discriminator yourself.You are free to hold that thought.


And as I said, the equating of all Trump voters to Nazis was disgusting. ADL and FOxman would think that is equal to the worst denial of holocaust.Prove where I equated all Trump voters to Nazis. I think I've asked before and nothing was produced.

Best case you'll find is complicit Germans and complicit Trump supporters.

Go ahead, prove it. You can't.