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Andalus Expat
08-27-22, 13:48
This, and you say that you haven't even been to an FKK? Look, I care about my safety and comfort too. A lot! I would not be a tourist in any country and / or patronize any kind of business where I didn't have those two things. Seems to me that you've been to Germany looking in all the wrong places, and that's the problem. Cost can't be the issue since you pay more to get less on the CDS the way I see it. Try going to the top FKKs before writing off a whole nation when you haven't even experienced all that the place has to offer. Try it. You might like it! PFI and I sure as hell do LOL! And we're still alive and well, not having gotten mugged, etc. Come on man. Live a little! I'm not even talking about the wild side. You already did that. That would be the RLD LOL! One reason I don't go there (among many) is precisely because I do want to be safe! And yet, you go there to a place that is dirty and unsafe and say you don't feel safe (but of course), then turn around and write off all of Germany when it was you yourself who put yourself in an unsafe / dirty situation when there were other better choices you could have made (FKKs and escorts to name a couple). Come on man! That's just not making any sense and your reasoning is lacking here.I'd certainly welcome reading one of The Cane's reports would back up his opinions. I've been back 300 posts without striking gold. You certainly are an expert on a lot of countries & cities, The Cane.
Do you want to link to any of your reports?
Busy busy. Lots of noisy young guys from non EU countries, spending money on big fat asses. Easy money as they just cum in 3 seconds (according to the girls) and back to the bar. Not type of atmosphere I enjoy.
But was told by the manager (purple hair woman) that many new girls are arriving in Sept. As according to her Sept. And Oct. Are much better months for mongering as large groups of guys head to the coast to play golf during the day and another type of golf at night.
Make sure that you don't miss it.
Living Room was in Kaarst, Dusseldorf suburb, not Koln. Best club in Germany on 2016/2017 for girls level for GFE. I called it my little Globe. Had 80 hours with a exceptional Romanian beauty on 7 months. My best ever FKK girl including Globe Zurich.I'm afraid it could have had 10/10's in there but I could not stand that horrible small Smokey lounge. Why they didn't make smokers use that tent outside I will never know. The food was ok, (tiny seating area) and of course the beer was free (fridge in that tented area) but the lounge was terrible. I doubt Globe would appreciate the comparison. At least the roof area at Globe was a decent escape.
Busy busy. Lots of noisy young guys from non EU countries, spending money on big fat asses. Easy money as they just cum in 3 seconds (according to the girls) and back to the bar. Not type of atmosphere I enjoy.
But was told by the manager (purple hair woman) that many new girls are arriving in Sept. As according to her Sept. And Oct. Are much better months for mongering as large groups of guys head to the coast to play golf during the day and another type of golf at night.
Make sure that you don't miss it.Sandra (purple hair) is just a receptionist. Managers are either Juan (white haired Spanish guy) or Cornel. Much younger Romanian. Very nice guy.
Sandra is not wrong. July and August are not good months in Spain. Too hot, too many tourists etc. September will be better and I know already the club believe it will have no "hotel" rooms for punters given the high numbers of girls already. The fear about the clubs closing having gone will also attract and the climate improves.
Can't believe PFI still hasn't been there!Neither can PFI! But your post hit the nail on the head. Knowing it is so expensive I tend to hit the other options when (rarely) in Madrid. However, I have a plan and expect to be there once before end of October!
I'm afraid it could have had 10/10's in there but I could not stand that horrible small Smokey lounge. Why they didn't make smokers use that tent outside I will never know. The food was ok, (tiny seating area) and of course the beer was free (fridge in that tented area) but the lounge was terrible. I doubt Globe would appreciate the comparison. At least the roof area at Globe was a decent escape.At Globe, staff asked if we had wow experience on 2018 , but not anymore when fell down porn level, for 150/30 , when got full GFE with real french kiss at LR for 50/30 . I don t smoke, but visited weekly for years.
I'd certainly welcome reading one of The Cane's reports would back up his opinions. I've been back 300 posts without striking gold. You certainly are an expert on a lot of countries & cities, The Cane.
Do you want to link to any of your reports?He reported on who he selected at Pigmalion in the report before yours! But additionally I have seen his reports for many years, he knew the same Melissa I did in Scandalos many years ago, and has provided me with some excellent information in PMs. About 6 weeks ago you questioned my integrity / report "if it happened" despite me providing names / times / clubs. I spent some time demolishing the insinuation. I was messaged (kindly) by many in personal messages and whatsapps telling me I need not have responded as senior members "know who is the real deal". Now you are again raising question marks about the veracity of another very senior and experienced members of the forum. I've asked you in the past to verify information and not had it. You've mentioned visiting E92 (albeit for about 30 minutes early in the evening) but have never named a single girl. Perhaps before casting aspersions on other senior members you should look nearer to home.
Sandra (purple hair) is just a receptionist. Managers are either Juan (white haired Spanish guy) or Cornel. Much younger Romanian. Very nice guy.
Sandra is not wrong. July and August are not good months in Spain. Too hot, too many tourists etc. September will be better and I know already the club believe it will have no "hotel" rooms for punters given the high numbers of girls already. The fear about the clubs closing having gone will also attract and the climate improves.Yh exactly. The girl behind the desk.
Anyone has visited the estepona side of the coast who could provide some info?
Now you are again raising question marks about the veracity of another very senior and experienced members of the forum. I've asked you in the past to verify information and not had it. You've mentioned visiting E92 (albeit for about 30 minutes early in the evening) but have never named a single girl. Perhaps before casting aspersions on other senior members you should look nearer to home.I have been reporting in this and other forums for years and years on destinations all over the globe (most heavily on Brazil, Germany, and Spain), and no need to prove anything to anyone. But I ask again. What is "our friend" who cared not to read about the club scene doing in this thread anyway? Maybe he got lonely hanging out in the other one that we left to him to espouse on the independents? I've literally mongered on every continent on the planet except for Oceania and Antarctica (do they have tutes there), and have written many, many, many reports on my travels. More than I can even recall. If said friend would like to read some of them, I suggest that he use the search function as I'm not linking to squat in order to prove something to him. Not engaging in his petty distractions. Some of the best reports I ever produced were lost when another popular site went down. On this site, he can try looking in Reports of Distinction as some (but clearly not all or even the majority) of my reports can be found there. I don't recall seeing too much from him in any RODs. Ahem!
Back on CDS for 4 days only. Supposedly business not pleasure but decided had to visit E92 to see what its like on the ground presently.
Arrived 10 pm. Early but plenty of girls. But very very few guys at all at that time.
Many of the old favourites in the house. Maria, Angie, Camilla, Beatrice, Veronica, Monika, the previous Stephany (friend of Julia), Alicia, Kerry etc.
Played some roulette (in part because the club area was literally empty!
Couldn't resist the stunning Stephany. Looked really hot. But as this was a one-off visit had to take my E92 fav Veronica as well and we had a very fun 2 hours. I've reported previously that if you know the girls / are a regular, you can push the prices below 200/ hour if you take longer time. Not now. Even thought the club was dead, with no other punter options for the girls, they stood firm on 200/ hour however long. I think they have had a group discussion and decided they will not break rank.
I've been lucky enough to be paying a lot less than this in Far East destinations and I'm afraid it does spoil you. For similar money (1200 AED / about 320 euros so a little more) in Dubai you can find an absolutely drop dead stunning 10/10 Russian / Uzbek / Ukrainian / Iranian / Syrian girl for 2-3 hours who would blow away all competition in Scandalos on any night of the week. Similarly, in Thailand (the World Capital of mongering many say), the prices are off the scale cheap. Ditto in Vietnam and Cambodia ($50/50 euros hour! For sure the stunners are not the same in these Far Eastern countries but with research (Discord app is amazing for Pattaya / BKK) you get to see who is in the line up without even going to the Gentleman's Clubs / Agogos / Girly Bars. For sure this has always been the case (that other destinations are cheaper), but for some reason in the past 2-3 years, post covid, Europe has become really expensive for p4 p. Even London is now cheaper than Spain and Germany. Whilst it (London) is dire IMHO because mongers are restricted to either escort websites, adult work, or walk ups in Soho where the quality on offer is truly abysmal. Manchester still offers several brothels that the LE are happy with if no drugs are present, but you are choosing from a line up of 5-6 girls only. Still, £100 per hour is good value and at the seedy Piccadilly Club (recently moved) you can have an hour for £70 but the girls all expect customers to be wham bam and in and out in far less than that hour and if you try to book 2 hours they will sigh! £140 is bad business for them (of a night) when they can usually "do" 6 guys in that time. This is again why Dubai is so good. You are not in bed with someone who already had 6 guys that night! The stunner you selected is "fresh" that night!
So sadly, Spain (and Germany) have fallen down my pecking order as options. I'm sure over time the lure of Europe will return.
Back to E92:! The girls said last month every night was really busy but mainly with young Moroccans. Same as Scandalos last year.
The EE girls were complaining that this meant bad business for them. Most of them are slim with nice sexy asses. The Moroccan boys like the big booties! Hence they tend to go for the SA girls and on last nights showing there are not enough of them in E92 now.
Had a quick look in the bar when I came down from the room at about 2 am and the club was significantly busier. Lots of punters and quite a few new faces of girls. Looks to me like E92 is following the Scandalos path of really being a nightclub. In previous years you could go into the club at 10 pm and the options were superb and the vibe good. Now that is still the case but doesn't happen until gone 1 am. For anyone over 50 (like me!) that's a non-starter. Don't want my days trashed by getting to bed at 5 am. Wow that sounds sooooo old!
The managers were laughing about the new legislation and couldn't resist the "we told you so" comments which in fairness were correct. They were nontheless pleased their contingency plan (dancing club!) didn't need to be deployed.
Back on CDS for 4 days only. Supposedly business not pleasure but decided had to visit E92 to see what its like on the ground presently.
Arrived 10 pm. Early but plenty of girls. But very very few guys at all at that time.
Many of the old favourites in the house. Maria, Angie, Camilla, Beatrice, Veronica, Monika, the previous Stephany (friend of Julia), Alicia, Kerry etc.
Played some roulette (in part because the club area was literally empty!
Couldn't resist the stunning Stephany. Looked really hot. But as this was a one-off visit had to take my E92 fav Veronica as well and we had a very fun 2 hours. I've reported previously that if you know the girls / are a regular, you can push the prices below 200/ hour if you take longer time. Not now. Even thought the club was dead, with no other punter options for the girls, they stood firm on 200/ hour however long. I think they have had a group discussion and decided they will not break rank.
I've been lucky enough to be paying a lot less than this in Far East destinations and I'm afraid it does spoil you. For similar money (1200 AED / about 320 euros so a little more) in Dubai you can find an absolutely drop dead stunning 10/10 Russian / Uzbek / Ukrainian / Iranian / Syrian girl for 2-3 hours who would blow away all competition in Scandalos on any night of the week. Similarly, in Thailand (the World Capital of mongering many say), the prices are off the scale cheap. Ditto in Vietnam and Cambodia ($50/50 euros hour! For sure the stunners are not the same in these Far Eastern countries but with research (Discord app is amazing for Pattaya / BKK) you get to see who is in the line up without even going to the Gentleman's Clubs / Agogos / Girly Bars. For sure this has always been the case (that other destinations are cheaper), but for some reason in the past 2-3 years, post covid, Europe has become really expensive for p4 p. Even London is now cheaper than Spain and Germany. Whilst it (London) is dire IMHO because mongers are restricted to either escort websites, adult work, or walk ups in Soho where the quality on offer is truly abysmal. Manchester still offers several brothels that the LE are happy with if no drugs are present, but you are choosing from a line up of 5-6 girls only. Still, 100 per hour is good value and at the seedy Piccadilly Club (recently moved) you can have an hour for 70 but the girls all expect customers to be wham bam and in and out in far less than that hour and if you try to book 2 hours they will sigh! 140 is bad business for them (of a night) when they can usually "do" 6 guys in that time. This is again why Dubai is so good. You are not in bed with someone who already had 6 guys that night! The stunner you selected is "fresh" that night!
So sadly, Spain (and Germany) have fallen down my pecking order as options. I'm sure over time the lure of Europe will return.
Back to E92:! The girls said last month every night was really busy but mainly with young Moroccans. Same as Scandalos last year.
The EE girls were complaining that this meant bad business for them. Most of them are slim with nice sexy asses. The Moroccan boys like the big booties! Hence they tend to go for the SA girls and on last nights showing there are not enough of them in E92 now.
Had a quick look in the bar when I came down from the room at about 2 am and the club was significantly busier. Lots of punters and quite a few new faces of girls. Looks to me like E92 is following the Scandalos path of really being a nightclub. In previous years you could go into the club at 10 pm and the options were superb and the vibe good. Now that is still the case but doesn't happen until gone 1 am. For anyone over 50 (like me!) that's a non-starter. Don't want my days trashed by getting to bed at 5 am. Wow that sounds sooooo old!
The managers were laughing about the new legislation and couldn't resist the "we told you so" comments which in fairness were correct. They were nontheless pleased their contingency plan (dancing club!) didn't need to be deployed.Thanks for the report.
Did you see nicoletta? If not then you should ask someone to see if she's there or when she'll be back. How was the quality in general?
I've been lucky enough to be paying a lot less than this in Far East destinations and I'm afraid it does spoil you. For similar money (1200 AED / about 320 euros so a little more) in Dubai you can find an absolutely drop dead stunning 10/10 Russian / Uzbek / Ukrainian / Iranian / Syrian girl for 2-3 hours who would blow away all competition in Scandalos on any night of the week.I believe you about the optics in Dubai. I have seen it with my own eyes. But what about performance? This is what set Germany and Spain (Brazil too) far above Dubai as a mongering destination. More than satisfactory optics with far superior performance (BBBJ, CIM, anal sex, and other kinks). Are you saying that performance in Dubai is now better than the aforementioned countries (I know you can't comment on Brazil)? And is it because things got so much better in Dubai (would be hard for me to believe LOL), or are you saying that it's because standards in Spain and Germany have sunk so low (that would be believable). Also, would appreciate it if you could address my inquiry to you in the FKK Oase thread. Thanks, and carry on (the world lost "grandma" and a most remarkable woman)!
Thanks for the report.
Did you see nicoletta? If not then you should ask someone to see if she's there or when she'll be back. How was the quality in general?Nope I didn't see her but I didn't ask. Veronica told me (on whatsapp) she will point her out next time she is in the club and I am there. They are good friends. So I suspect she wasn't there last night.
Quality was reasonable but nothing particularly new.
I've PMd you back re Stephany. She is looking very good indeed.
I believe you about the optics in Dubai. I have seen it with my own eyes. But what about performance? This is what set Germany and Spain (Brazil too) far above Dubai as a mongering destination. More than satisfactory optics with far superior performance (BBBJ, CIM, anal sex, and other kinks). Are you saying that performance in Dubai is now better than the aforementioned countries (I know you can't comment on Brazil)? And is it because things got so much better in Dubai (would be hard for me to believe LOL), or are you saying that it's because standards in Spain and Germany have sunk so low (that would be believable). Also, would appreciate it if you could address my inquiry to you in the FKK Oase thread. Thanks, and carry on (the world lost "grandma" and a most remarkable woman)!Have replied in the Oase thread re Daniela. You'll know when you read it if she is the same girl. Sounds like.
I've had mixed experiences in Dubai on service. For a bunch of reasons which are not difficult to guess at, I don't post about my experiences on that thread. Most of the guys I have noticed comment on how venues are / etc without a lot of comment on actual names / girls. LE in Dubai has historically been off the scale and getting it wrong can sow horrible results! For sure, there are quite a few "functional" stunning Russians (mainly Red Square / Moscow / Capitol). I've not tried Blu Club but believe it is up market and intend to put that right. I had a fabulous night with two Eritreans out of York club in the same-named hotel. It gets slammed as the seedy joint of Dubai but I've never had a bad night in there and strangely whilst I understand some of the guys' reluctance about it (I've seen fist fights around the pool table etc), I've found the girls in there friendly and the service good. Also oddly, you might expect the stunners would prefer to head to the more prestigious Hotel bars / clubs but I have seen (and enjoyed) several 9's and 10's in York. The problem I have found in some of the more upmarket venues in Dubai is that there are a lot of seriously wealthy guys in competition. They are draped in designer gear head to toe, jewellery very much on show and they have no issue booking tables with several spirt bottles to flash their cash. Even in the threads when guys are seeking recommendations you regularly see the phrase "money is no object". The shake down from this is that the best looking girls sometimes reject other would be suitors knowing that they can catch a bigger fish who might pay over the odds for LT. These guys are not out for ST with one girl. They are happy to take 3 girls LT and "party" even if the girls are all asking 3000/ AED for all night (about 800 euros which coincidentally is the E92 price for all night outside the club. Or was before covid so might have increased. I don't know as I have never taken a girl all night from E92).
I have had one very bad experience in Dubai. Met a very attractive Syrian girl in Broadway. Won't be back as it is a struggle if you don't speak Arabic (and I don't). Got very suspicious when she asked for the cash up front (I obliged) and then started with the scam of "need to make a private phone call". I was convinced she was going to do a runner and asked her to hand the money back if she was going to go outside the room. She was furious. Ok maybe she was upset because I doubted her integrity, but strange how she needed to make the call immediately after getting the cash. If she had not wanted to come with me she should just have refused. But that's not a Dubai related issue. Overall your question is about quality of service and I've found it no better nor worse than anywhere else. There is a lot of competition so the girls want to maximise repeat potential though they all know that Dubai is very much a transit location where one-offs are common. Despite the fabulous optics I don't much like the place to be honest. The lack of any real history / culture does eventually bite (as well as the horrendous humidity! I much prefer the Far East but then it is a long way away from Europe!
On the flip side. I don't believe the quality of service in Spain and / or Germany has declined. Value for money has 100% definitely declined because of very substantial price hikes after the pandemic. I get that the girls had 2 really hard years with little income but so did a lot of people. But it is surprising how little fuss is made of very significant price increased (percentage wise). In 2018 in Scandalos you could go to the room for 160 euros for one hour with 10 euros for the sheets etc. In 2022 there is the odd girl who will go for 200 but most want 250 for that hour and the mamasan wants 30 for sheets / towel / condom. So 280 total. That's nearly a 100% increase in prices in 4 years. E92 has crept up from 150/ hour to 200 so not as bad but then for a long long time I could get two girls to agree 250 each for a guaranteed 2 hours. So 500. This week the same cost me 800. Not double but not far off. In Germany (e. G. Sharks / Oase / Palace / Mainhatten) it's 100/30 minutes though a lot will do 150/ hour. But it used to be 50/30 minutes. Again, doubling the price. In my profession if I made 100% price increases (even over 4 years) I would lost most if not all of my business. Yet many punters say "it's not bad. We've been lucky to have these prices for years". Guys. Get real. That is NOT the way to accept increases. It is quite worrying because if they can get away with a 100% increase in 4 years, why not do another 100% in 4 years from now. Oh for sure we'the all now say "I'm not paying 400/ hour" but it's already not far off that in Miladys and guys are still going there and paying it. Have service levels also gone up 100%? Erm. Not at all. I doubt they have diminished but I think now if you want to come across as in any way cheap / trying to negotiate, you would be likely to get poor service. If you are willing to payforit (pun intended) they'll still perform but as indicated in my previous post. It's quite tough paying 800 for two hours with two girls (however great) when for the same price I could have had (wait for it) about 28 thai girls in my room for one hour! Now there's a thought! I suppose its just not worth making the comparison at the end of the day. Different prices in different parts of the world will always exist. It's just very disappointing that Europe has become pretty expensive in comparison. I know that there will be guys who read this and think "but you can get independents for 100/ hour or less". This is the Club Reports only thread for a reason. Its for guys who like to chose a girl in a club not risk bait and switch when arriving at a door to see that the online stunning 10/10 is in real life a fatty 3/10! I have always accepted paying a premium for the ability to choose a girl from a line up. But the prices are definitely becoming prohibitive.
Cane. I'll turn your question back to you. Notwithstanding this is the CDS. How do prices compare in your beloved Brazil and secondly, I saw your post about them operating in similar fashion to FKKs. Do the girls walk around naked / half naked to attract customers?
I had a fabulous night with two Eritreans out of York club in the same-named hotel. It gets slammed as the seedy joint of Dubai but I've never had a bad night in there and strangely whilst I understand some of the guys' reluctance about it (I've seen fist fights around the pool table etc), I've found the girls in there friendly and the service good. Also oddly, you might expect the stunners would prefer to head to the more prestigious Hotel bars / clubs but I have seen (and enjoyed) several 9's and 10's in York. The problem I have found in some of the more upmarket venues in Dubai is that there are a lot of seriously wealthy guys in competition. Cane. I'll turn your question back to you. Notwithstanding this is the CDS. How do prices compare in your beloved Brazil and secondly, I saw your post about them operating in similar fashion to FKKs. Do the girls walk around naked / half naked to attract customers?Well, I don't want to go on and on about the UAE and Brazil here in this thread. I will just note that I liked hanging out at York too. When I went, it was heavy Ethiopians and Chinese girls with a smattering of Russian Federation and CIS tutes. That said, I pulled a hot Turkish girl out of there. My hotel wasn't far away, and we went back and fucked. She had a little potty mouth too (I liked). Upmarket venues at the time with drop dead gorgeous Ruskie girls (and others) were Premiere and Cavalli. I fucked a blonde hottie from Sevastopol, Crimea I pulled out of Premiere back at my hotel room. Regarding the termas of Brazil, first note that they are only found in Rio. The women are not naked, but strut around in skimpy outfits leaving little to the imagination. Other than that, they function like an FKK in that you change into a robe and secure your things in a locker, and you shower. There are sauna facilities, etc. But some important differences: they are much, much smaller typically, food is not always served but you often can order in, serious "couch time" is still pretty standard, and the Brasiliera still fucks the best! Other than that, just from reading the reports I know Brazil is suffering from the same things that the industry is suffering from all over the world. Lineups have not returned to their former strength pre-pandemic, and there has been price inflation along with a weak Brazilian Real. I hope things are better worldwide a year from now!
MagicSheep74
09-14-22, 08:13
I'll be in the place myself in a few weeks, but I keep in touch with a couple of girls that work there. She is actually one of the best looking ones in my opinion ' an easy 8/10. Anyway business has been so bad that her and 6 others have left and are now just roaming the streets of Puerto Banus and hanging out in La Habana from 11 pm onwards. They are getting more regular customers and making better money using this method. A couple of them did try Scandalo, but they felt the clientele were bordering on dangerous individuals, so opted out after a week. She says she is moving to Zurich for the winter to work at Afro.
Heading into a recession and Milady Palace raises prices to 400 an hour! Was never going to work.
I'll be in the place myself in a few weeks, but I keep in touch with a couple of girls that work there. She is actually one of the best looking ones in my opinion ' an easy 8/10. Anyway business has been so bad that her and 6 others have left and are now just roaming the streets of Puerto Banus and hanging out in La Habana from 11 pm onwards. They are getting more regular customers and making better money using this method. A couple of them did try Scandalo, but they felt the clientele were bordering on dangerous individuals, so opted out after a week. She says she is moving to Zurich for the winter to work at Afro.Which girl is this?
Apologies Qaz. Inadvertently deleted your post! Nope. No sign of Sophia on the one night I was in there but then I had an early morning meeting the next day and could not stay so late. And she tends to come down after 1 pm. I quickly surveyed the bar after my session but didn't look closely enough to see if she was in there.
MagicSheep74
09-15-22, 05:22
Which girl is this?Name. Diana.
From. Argentina.
Appearance - 170 sm, 54 kg. Face7/10 - Body 9/10 Brown Skin.
Speaks English, although in a high pitched voice.
Very friendly and good service. Not giant ass or tits.
She said she might go back the golfers arrive, whenever that is!
Between 8th October and 20th October, I'll got to Milady, Scandalo, 92, Casa Masa, and Mansion Babylon. I will no longer go to Glass Palace, mostly disappointed and I think Mansion Babylon is on its last legs.
According to boots on the ground. Casa Masa currently has a good selection on very attractive Latina.
The only girl I really actually went with in 92 was Ina, so if she has gone I am keeping my expectations low and not keen at arriving at 1 am to obtain.
I am a 10 pm to 12 pm guy. I have a dog to walk at 9 am in the mountains behind my house, so getting in at 5 am just to grab a girl is not on my agenda.
MS.
I was bored and close to estark so decided to head there and have a drink. Got there at 10 pm (Thursday), holy shit it was busy, I didn't expect it at all as PFI reported a few days ago that it was empty at 10 pm. Around 50 girls and 30 or so guys, many many latinas with big fat asses and didn't see a single Moroccan guy, about 60% local guys and the rest europeans, saw quite a few big fat ones going up (I don't know why but guys wanted them more) , talked to a slim, long blonde hair called alicia, she was nice but said she doesn't do BBBJ nor DFK. There werent many slim options tbh, talked to a few others and they said yes to BBBJ and DFK but I didn't like their attitude so didn't go up. The girls do not approach and just sit there and you have to approach them and I find that quite annoying, I like the fact that there is no sharky attitude but this has gone too far, you think how they are going to act up there when down here they look so bored responding to you.
Ina was also like this but thankfully we knew that she was good up in the room thanks to reports here, but you don't know that about others so I decided not to risk it.
Talked to one of the bartenders and he said there are 120 girls currently at the club working, that's incredible.
Again visited estark tonight, very busy even tho it was not late at all, round 23:00 , counted about 60 girls and about 50 punters (don't like it when its like this because it gets difficult to get the good looking ones) just like 2 days ago many latinas but there are many EE s too, quality in general 5,6 . Saw a beautiful slim brazilian called leticia, Alicia of the previous night and her group (there are some nice ones in her group and others do provide DFK and BBBJ but said that depends on clients).
Saw Stephany again and went up with her, great service and very nice girl. I rank her now as my second favorite (takes place of Ina) but my number one remains Nicoletta (not just number one in estark but the best one out of all the girls incl clubs, indep and pick ups in discos. Think she's back next week.
Has anyone meet sophia spanish / arabic best women in milady palace?
MagicSheep74
12-13-22, 23:10
Milady Palace - 4th Dec.
Choose the only very attractive girl in the place. Emily 6 ft Romanian with a fantastic body. 200/30 mins.
Room. She aims to please, some kissing, mutual unprotected oral and she took a damn good pounding, before I released a piping hot stream of jizz onto her breasts.
Casa Masa - 9th Dec.
Old casa has been replaced by a huge mansion. Close-by and buzzed into. Parked my car inside.
15 girls were presented to me, the previous CM only had about 6 to 8.
10 - I would not go with for free.
3 - I would only do after 6 or more beers.
2 were 8/10 and both tall slim Latin chicks.
I choose Alicia, quite a tall slim Brazilian girl. Nice personality, no evidence of surgery, and no horrendous tats. 200/60 mins.
Kisses, BBBJ, and regular sex.
Tinder. If you have the app. Search for a Colombian girl called Vanessa. Look pretty nice in her photo's but if you match she lets she knows she an Escort.
150 incall in Puerto Banus, quick video call before I arrived. She is quite attractive facially, but her body is a 10/10.
Was kinda supervised and was prepared to walk, but she was pretty hot and provided excellent service.
This weekend, if I get my fat lazy ass out the house and into my car. I will go to Estark 92 ' Star of the sea', and if I see nothing appealing there I will drive on to Scandalo.
Enjoy MS.
MagicSheep74
12-18-22, 19:51
Arrived at 92' Star of the Sea around 10 pm. 2 girls in the casino area, 8 girls in the nightclub part. Stayed until 11 pm, nothing remotely attractive appeared, finished my beer and left.
The girls said at this time of year, it's so quiet the girls just do outcall to regulars. I won't bother bother heading to Scandalo after what I seen here.
Plenty cum guzzling, spunk sponges to keep me entertained for my last week in Marbella.
Merry Christmas and Happy Mongering. MS.
Like an absolute clown I lost 2. 5 k in marbella casino, was pissed off so went Milady Palace to make myself feel better.
Its expensive compared to 92 my usual but I didn't give a f**k.
The rooms proper nice, there was about 2 girls I'd bang, went with one can't even remember her name sofia I think. 8/10, good service DATY french kisses owo.
200 for half hour but fuck it, she asked me to get a drink and I got one.
Went back in and girls were hounding me asking to get drinks, I don't like it, 30 euro lady drinks adds up, lucky for them I didn't care because I was down but still.
Probably go back there soon, I live in puerto banus and 92 is a taxi away.
Trying to decide which cities in Spain to visit where I will live for a month or 2. Is Barcelona or any other city a great place to go pick up free lancers at a club and take them back to your hotel / apartment for a fun night? I've read about E92 and Scandalous in Malaga but it sounds like you can only take those girls to a room at the same club and not home where you have more time to do your thing.
Trying to decide which cities in Spain to visit where I will live for a month or 2. Is Barcelona or any other city a great place to go pick up free lancers at a club and take them back to your hotel / apartment for a fun night? I've read about E92 and Scandalous in Malaga but it sounds like you can only take those girls to a room at the same club and not home where you have more time to do your thing.Not exactly, I've taken girls back to my place from Scandalo and E92, but expect to splash the cash as an incentive.
MagicSheep74
01-28-23, 14:55
Like an absolute clown I lost 2. 5 k in marbella casino, was pissed off so went Milady Palace to make myself feel better.
Hey Man, I feel lucky not to be a gambler. I am already juggling several addictions as it is! LOL.
If like me, you live close to Milady, it can be handy for a quick 200 Euro sessions with a pretty hot girl.
I did try and contact SkyModels again from Eurogirls. Complete Nonsense. They have multiple girls touring in Marbella, but never anyone available. Like I said. Eurogirls / More trouble than its worse.
Heading to 92 tonight for the first time in 3 months. Will report back.
MagicSheep74
01-28-23, 15:02
Trying to decide which cities in Spain to visit where I will live for a month or 2. Is Barcelona or any other city a great place to go pick up free lancers at a club and take them back to your hotel / apartment for a fun night? I've read about E92 and Scandalous in Malaga but it sounds like you can only take those girls to a room at the same club and not home where you have more time to do your thing.For Fun. Costa Del Sol. You can take girls out of the club, but it would cost a lot. Most people just do the deed onsite in the adequate room. All outcall prices are made with the girl in the club, and the price will be dependant on how quiet the club is, and how charming you pretend to be. I've done 400 a night, but been asked 1000.
Clubs. E92, Scandalo, Milady Palace ' Expensive.
Barcelona is better high quality independents and doing the tourist thing. Freelancers in a club is not really a thing in this city.
Independents - www.girlsbarcelona.com - incall / outcall.
If you rich. Ww. cristinassecrets.com.
Do both?
For Fun. Costa Del Sol. You can take girls out of the club, but it would cost a lot. Most people just do the deed onsite in the adequate room. All outcall prices are made with the girl in the club, and the price will be dependant on how quiet the club is, and how charming you pretend to be. I've done 400 a night, but been asked 1000.
Clubs. E92, Scandalo, Milady Palace ' Expensive.
Barcelona is better high quality independents and doing the tourist thing. Freelancers in a club is not really a thing in this city.
Independents - www.girlsbarcelona.com - incall / outcall.
If you rich. Ww. cristinassecrets.com.
Do both?Ok thanks for the info. I do have several questions though.
You say southern region is more fun but Barcelona is better as a tourists? So which one is it just need more clarification. Also, the website you shared for the independents in Barcelona looks good. I don't see the prices for the women on there. Do you reach out via WhatsApp and negotiate a price? Do they meet you at your place if you request that? What are the price range for the girls on that website?
MagicSheep74
01-29-23, 17:19
Ok thanks for the info. I do have several questions though.
You say southern region is more fun but Barcelona is better as a tourists? So which one is it just need more clarification. Also, the website you shared for the independents in Barcelona looks good. I don't see the prices for the women on there. Do you reach out via WhatsApp and negotiate a price? Do they meet you at your place if you request that? What are the price range for the girls on that website?I have lived in both Barcelona and the Costa Del Sol. I much prefer the vibe in the South, but Barcelona has tons to see and do.
Girlsbarcelona - $ 100 $$ 200 $$$300 $$400 an hour I guess. Contact them by WhatsApp, and yes they come to you. Incall / Outcall, don't try and negotiate or they will block you.
I have just went to Estark 92 last night, and judging my what I have just seen, my advice is to go to Barcelona. The standard in the club was awful.
Choose a girls from the above site.
Independent - girlsbarcelona.com.
Agency www.okescorts.com - otucall.
www.lasuitebcn.com/es - walk in and choose.
TeddyBears
02-06-23, 09:49
Hello gentlemen! I went to E92 yesterday at midnight I can't say that the club was crowded because there was hardly any customers, however there was about 40 girls working yesterday. It wasn't the best selection of girls I have seen at the club, but there was absolutely a few girls that I wanted to have sex with and I am picky.
TeddyBears
02-09-23, 11:51
Visited Scandalo last night after midnight, after recent reports of the place I was hesitant to go there tbh but roundtrip to Scandalo from Fuengirola with an Uber taxi was about €50 so I decided to go and see with my own eyes. As always the bouncer Ibrahim was there and we shared a few laughs before I went in the club, my expectations was low but I must say I was pleasantly surprised of the fact that there must have been around 30 guests and maybe around 40 girls, all of them of latin or South American heritage, you will not find Eastern European girls here anymore.
Not all of them are gorgeous but there must have been at least six or seven of them that I wanted to session with. Overall the lineup at Scandalo is a bit better than at E92 but the price is also a bit higher at €250 for an hour with the ridiculous sheet fee of €30 paid by the girl, compared with €200 + €10 for sheet at E92.
I don't know if there are any room for negotiation of the prices but I guess it's not impossible with some girls?! I had a great time at Scandalo last night, unfortunately this was my last night in Spain but I will definitely be back at both clubs again.
Thanks teddy for the reports.
The weather is getting better and whole scene is improving.
By the way where is payforit?
Thanks teddy for the reports.
The weather is getting better and whole scene is improving.
By the way where is payforit?I miss his reports and inputs!
Andalus Expat
02-22-23, 11:29
Another club for those capable of finding anywhere other than Carvajal. Club Blue (Google Maps has "Blues Palace") is on the A7057 Carretera de Coin a couple of kliks south of Cartama Estacion. So if you're on the A7 highway, under 15 minutes of fast road from the Malaga turnoff & a few minutes nearer than Club Cuore on the A357. Not hard to miss at night. So much lighting on the place, it looks like a starship dock. There's secure parking within the area of the club, so pull up at the gate & if you've not been seen on the CCTV, ring the bell & they'll open up. Fairly small bar area but thankfully the club provides the music so you're not being stung for coins to feed a jukebox á la Estark. Since I was driving I stuck with a coke at 10€. Girl drinks were 20€. First thing I saw when I entered was Tania, a Russian chica I reported on here a few years back. So at least I had someone to chat with without being harassed & she introduced me to the manager, Jonny. And surprise, surprise a Colombia Paisa wafted over who's been subject of another report. So it was turning into a bit of a reunion. I think I saw about 10 chicas in all. Reasonable bunch for a Tuesday evening in February. This is the deadest part of the year. The club has 20 bedrooms, so it'd be very different in the season & any club's going to have a constant turnover of girls, anyway. Pricing? Tania said 150/ h, 80 the half. When I'd phoned last week I was told 120/ h, 70/ half & a free drink as an introductory offer. Wasn't interested in pushing it. I don't go to clubs just for sex so this was just an investigatory visit. And a worthwhile one. I was shown their fair sized pool with surrounding terrace & sunbeds. Barbecues will be provided in the summer & I got the impression the kitchen would rustle up some sustenance if one was there for a lengthy visit. So a proper club, rather than a meat rack. I can foresee some enjoyable afternoons & evenings being spent there when the weather warms. Oh & one of the rooms boasts a jacuzzi, can be rented for sybaritic endeavours.
Any news? Seems very busy wherever you go.
CoastGuy62
05-02-23, 20:36
Any news? Seems very busy wherever you go.I visited Estark last week, quite busy after midnight and they have made some changes. The casino opens as usual at 5 but the disco is closed and open at 9 and the hallway is closed for visitors. You have to go outside to get to the disco thru the hotel entrance. The disco have some new furniture and it's a bit strange.
Lots of latinas and Brazilian Camilla, blond babe with an amazing gym body is recommended.
I visited Estark last week, quite busy after midnight and they have made some changes. The casino opens as usual at 5 but the disco is closed and open at 9 and the hallway is closed for visitors. You have to go outside to get to the disco thru the hotel entrance. The disco have some new furniture and it's a bit strange.
Lots of latinas and Brazilian Camilla, blond babe with an amazing gym body is recommended.Thanks for the info.
How is the quality overall? Are there any girls in casino area after 9 pm or all of them just head to disco?
Ok thanks for the info. I do have several questions though.
You say southern region is more fun but Barcelona is better as a tourists? So which one is it just need more clarification. Also, the website you shared for the independents in Barcelona looks good. I don't see the prices for the women on there. Do you reach out via WhatsApp and negotiate a price? Do they meet you at your place if you request that? What are the price range for the girls on that website?Sophia still in milady?
Like an absolute clown I lost 2. 5 k in marbella casino, was pissed off so went Milady Palace to make myself feel better.
Its expensive compared to 92 my usual but I didn't give a f**k.
The rooms proper nice, there was about 2 girls I'd bang, went with one can't even remember her name sofia I think. 8/10, good service DATY french kisses owo.
200 for half hour but fuck it, she asked me to get a drink and I got one.
Went back in and girls were hounding me asking to get drinks, I don't like it, 30 euro lady drinks adds up, lucky for them I didn't care because I was down but still.
Probably go back there soon, I live in puerto banus and 92 is a taxi away.Where are sophia from?
Club cherie torremolinos: very close to benalmadena / torremolinos border, quality very hit and miss but there are some good ones, not bad to drop in and have a drink to see what's available if you are in that area.
Club selecta torremolinos: again right on the torremolinos benalmadena border, the interior is quite nice and posh, used to one of the best but nearly had to shut a few years ago. Its back (maybe new owner) quality is good. Well worth a visit.
MagicSheep74
05-09-23, 13:18
I am going to Milady Palace on Friday and Saturday this week, ' I'll report back and ask about Sophia.
Of recent I only recall one very attractive girl present and her name is Emily, but things might be picking being May.
Regards MS.
CoastGuy62
05-10-23, 22:24
Thanks for the info.
How is the quality overall? Are there any girls in casino area after 9 pm or all of them just head to disco?It depends about what you like, it is not so many tall and blond girls as it was before covid and that is what I prefer.
I guess that the casino is opened as usual.
I am going to Milady Palace on Friday and Saturday this week, ' I'll report back and ask about Sophia.
Of recent I only recall one very attractive girl present and her name is Emily, but things might be picking being May.
Regards MS.Do you see sophia?
I am going to Milady Palace on Friday and Saturday this week, ' I'll report back and ask about Sophia.
Of recent I only recall one very attractive girl present and her name is Emily, but things might be picking being May.
Regards MS.Did you see sophia?
Andalus Expat
05-15-23, 12:05
Club cherie torremolinos: very close to benalmadena / torremolinos border, quality very hit and miss but there are some good ones, not bad to drop in and have a drink to see what's available if you are in that area.
Club selecta torremolinos: again right on the torremolinos benalmadena border, the interior is quite nice and posh, used to one of the best but nearly had to shut a few years ago. Its back (maybe new owner) quality is good. Well worth a visit.To be accurate, they're both a fair way from the Torremolinos / Benalmadena border. On the N340, that's half a kilometer the Torremolinos side of the turn-off for Benalmadena Marina. Club Selecta's a minute's walk from El Pinillo RENFE station. If you were driving from Benalmad, take the second exit signed N340 from the roundabout immediately after the Torremolinos gateway & it's a couple of roundabouts up near the Repsol gasolina. You'll see their roof sign on your left as you approach the roundabout. If you'd taken the first exit at the first roundabout you'd be in Avda Carlota Alessandri & Club Cherie's after the next roundabout on your right. Club Cherie's OK but very tourist / victim orientated. Expect to be hustled. Selecta's got far more style & is more laid back. They're both at least a couple kilometres from Benalmad's International Square tourist trap (Plaza Solymar) so don't expect to walk to either unless you need the exercise.
Anyone been to the Gallo de Oro (given up trying to write french on this forum. Fuck knows how they manage on the french boards. Golden Chicken in EN) at Torrequebrada recently. Did it re-open?
MagicSheep74
05-15-23, 15:18
Did you see sophia?Unfortunately there is no girl going by the name of Sophie, although there was a few more attractive ladies than usual. I went with my usual Emily, then popped up to Casa Masa for a very slim and attractive Colombian girl called Angie.
I am going back to Milady on Friday to take a Russian girl that I've not seen for a while, can't remember her name but she is very attractive. 170 cm, 56 kg, Slim, Piercing blue eyes and has a doll face.
Will update.
MS.
Thanks for these tips. Yes, this was not functioning last year.
Do they operate similar like E92/ Scand I. E market place venue where you choose, pay for the room, towel & of course time.
Club cherie torremolinos: very close to benalmadena / torremolinos border, quality very hit and miss but there are some good ones, not bad to drop in and have a drink to see what's available if you are in that area.
Club selecta torremolinos: again right on the torremolinos benalmadena border, the interior is quite nice and posh, used to one of the best but nearly had to shut a few years ago. Its back (maybe new owner) quality is good. Well worth a visit.
Thanks for these tips. Yes, this was not functioning last year.
Do they operate similar like E92/ Scand I. E market place venue where you choose, pay for the room, towel & of course time.If anyone wants to check them out, just google them and they come up, because as andaluz expat said they are a little bit further from benalmadena. Yes, they work kind of like scandalo, but not like estark, because in estark they do not work for anyone, they are actually hotels guests. In these clubs they are not in control of the time so that's annoying but they are worth a try.
Gallo de oro is still shut. The owner of gallo de orois actually the owner of villa magna, so when gallo shut due to covid, the ones working there went to villa magna. Heard that they wanted to sell gallo but seems like no ones bought it, so they may have to reopen soon.
Villa magna and also heard casa masa in marbella are now letting clients rent a room there and actually stay in one of the rooms with foods and drinks included, you can use the swimming pool, fitness room and etc, so that's good news for FKK lovers, the thing is that they also make sure that you don't come across other clients.
Unfortunately there is no girl going by the name of Sophie, although there was a few more attractive ladies than usual. I went with my usual Emily, then popped up to Casa Masa for a very slim and attractive Colombian girl called Angie.
I am going back to Milady on Friday to take a Russian girl that I've not seen for a while, can't remember her name but she is very attractive. 170 cm, 56 kg, Slim, Piercing blue eyes and has a doll face.
Will update.
MS.Hi MS,
How many were there? The prices gone up?
MagicSheep74
05-17-23, 19:50
Hi MS,
How many were there? The prices gone up?Milady Palace. I seen around 20 girl. I took my regular girl quite quickly, but I did see 2 or 3 really good looking girls. Going there Thursday evening around 10 pm. If you are there and see a 6 ft guy wearing a ' I love banging hookers ' T-Shirt on. Come across and introduce yourself. Prices 200/30 , 350/60.
Casa Masa.
Presented with 10 girls are Latin. One slim, pretty Colombian caught my eye, I don't recall the rest. At a guess 2 or 3 quite attractive.
Paid 200 and 8 for beer. Lovely girl, sweet personally and delightful body.
Estark 92 -.
10.30 pm around 30 to 40 in the club. Girls ranging from 1/10 to 8/10.
I chose the gym body Brazilian for a 30 minute session upstairs. Nice fun personality, good body and service.
As I was about to leave, I saw a super cute slim Colombian. Think her name was Angie, wears fishnets. Seemed pretty new the business, so a little subdued.
Milady Palace. I seen around 20 girl. I took my regular girl quite quickly, but I did see 2 or 3 really good looking girls. Going there Thursday evening around 10 pm. If you are there and see a 6 ft guy wearing a ' I love banging hookers ' T-Shirt on. Come across and introduce yourself. Prices 200/30 , 350/60.
Casa Masa.
Presented with 10 girls are Latin. One slim, pretty Colombian caught my eye, I don't recall the rest. At a guess 2 or 3 quite attractive.
Paid 200 and 8 for beer. Lovely girl, sweet personally and delightful body.
Estark 92 -.
10.30 pm around 30 to 40 in the club. Girls ranging from 1/10 to 8/10.
I chose the gym body Brazilian for a 30 minute session upstairs. Nice fun personality, good body and service.
As I was about to leave, I saw a super cute slim Colombian. Think her name was Angie, wears fishnets. Seemed pretty new the business, so a little subdued.Great, thanks.
How does the brazilian look like? Is FKK and bbj possible?
Milady Palace. I seen around 20 girl. I took my regular girl quite quickly, but I did see 2 or 3 really good looking girls. Going there Thursday evening around 10 pm. If you are there and see a 6 ft guy wearing a ' I love banging hookers ' T-Shirt on. Come across and introduce yourself. Prices 200/30 , 350/60.
Casa Masa.
Presented with 10 girls are Latin. One slim, pretty Colombian caught my eye, I don't recall the rest. At a guess 2 or 3 quite attractive.
Paid 200 and 8 for beer. Lovely girl, sweet personally and delightful body.
Estark 92 -..If I had the funds I would go to this Milady Palace, sounds like a nice place. Casa Masa was nice the few times I went there.
Has anyone tried from habana and navy bar in banus recently? I was in habana a few days ago and there were very good looking ones, but didn't talk to any of them because felt that they were not going to have good attitudes.
Seriously price is now 200 euro for 30 min? Last summer in July 2022 it was 120-150 for 30 min and not including DFK or BBBJ even.
Milady Palace. I seen around 20 girl. I took my regular girl quite quickly, but I did see 2 or 3 really good looking girls. Going there Thursday evening around 10 pm. If you are there and see a 6 ft guy wearing a ' I love banging hookers ' T-Shirt on. Come across and introduce yourself. Prices 200/30 , 350/60.
Casa Masa.
Presented with 10 girls are Latin. One slim, pretty Colombian caught my eye, I don't recall the rest. At a guess 2 or 3 quite attractive.
Paid 200 and 8 for beer. Lovely girl, sweet personally and delightful body..
MagicSheep74
06-19-23, 14:41
Seriously price is now 200 euro for 30 min? Last summer in July 2022 it was 120-150 for 30 min and not including DFK or BBBJ even.Yes mate, that's the current price. Its very expensive and the price doesn't really often correlate with the general quality of girls. In the bar I always insist that BBBJ, before heading to the room. Apparently its up for sale, but everything is Marbella is up sale!! Including ladies mouths and front bottoms to varying degree's.
Its overpriced, but horribly convenient for me. I was taking to many risks driving to the cheaper clubs pissed out my mind!!
If its sold hopefully they replace it with another cheaper ' Piano Bar ' I just love the Piano, LOL.
Went there on Tuesday night at round 22:15 , there were about 40 girls and 25 to 30 guys in the disco area (didn't go to the casino part as you have to go out and enter through the other entrance, don't know why theyve blocked the maze like way to casino from disco), as it was Tuesday I didn't expect it to be busy but it was, there were about 7,8 that caught my eyes, there was one russian, very nice but she didn't offer anything so decided to have a drink and wait, during the 30 min that I was having my drink I saw her go up twice and come back down, then she said to me why should I offer more when I already have lots of clients (fair enough I guess). I chatted with a few of them, most didn't do DFK, BBBJ. Thats the problem with summer and busy months, most tourists do not care about services and just go there to get drunk and have a little fun, however if you don't rush things finally youll find someone to your likings. I was told that estark is completely full and there are def many SA too.
Went there on Tuesday night at round 22:15 , there were about 40 girls and 25 to 30 guys in the disco area (didn't go to the casino part as you have to go out and enter through the other entrance, don't know why theyve blocked the maze like way to casino from disco), as it was Tuesday I didn't expect it to be busy but it was, there were about 7,8 that caught my eyes, there was one russian, very nice but she didn't offer anything so decided to have a drink and wait, during the 30 min that I was having my drink I saw her go up twice and come back down, then she said to me why should I offer more when I already have lots of clients (fair enough I guess). I chatted with a few of them, most didn't do DFK, BBBJ. Thats the problem with summer and busy months, most tourists do not care about services and just go there to get drunk and have a little fun, however if you don't rush things finally youll find someone to your likings. I was told that estark is completely full and there are def many SA too.For more money! Well, this certainly doesn't change my decision to stay away from mongering in Spain. Thanks for the update!
I cannot accept a girl without getting DFK and BBBJ.
How much are the WG asking at Estark for 30'?
Went there on Tuesday night at round 22:15 , there were about 40 girls and 25 to 30 guys in the disco area (didn't go to the casino part as you have to go out and enter through the other entrance, don't know why theyve blocked the maze like way to casino from disco), as it was Tuesday I didn't expect it to be busy but it was, there were about 7,8 that caught my eyes, there was one russian, very nice but she didn't offer anything so decided to have a drink and wait, during the 30 min that I was having my drink I saw her go up twice and come back down, then she said to me why should I offer more when I already have lots of clients (fair enough I guess). I chatted with a few of them, most didn't do DFK, BBBJ. Thats the problem with summer and busy months, most tourists do not care about services and just go there to get drunk and have a little fun, however if you don't rush things finally youll find someone to your likings. I was told that estark is completely full and there are def many SA too.
For more money! Well, this certainly doesn't change my decision to stay away from mongering in Spain. Thanks for the update!The problem is that they can do it because many guys are willing to pay those rates.
I cannot accept a girl without getting DFK and BBBJ.
How much are the WG asking at Estark for 30'?Some of them do DFK, BBBJ if they like you but you have to ask downstairs and make sure that they agree. They charge 100 for 30 min but there is also 10 e for sheets.
Some of them do DFK, BBBJ if they like you but you have to ask downstairs and make sure that they agree. They charge 100 for 30 min but there is also 10 e for sheets.You posts remind me of a story I have told many, many times including very recently: 2828295.
Tonight I went to club selecta in torremolinos, I know mondays are the worst days but it is summer so it should not matter much.
I entered at round 22:00 quite early, you can enter the parking area but then you have to ring the bell and wait for someone to open the door. The workers are polite and the interior is very nice (much nicer than estark or etc) there are many sofas and nice furniture and the minute you enter it you notice that it is a brothel as everythings red and the designed to be erotic. There were about 8,9 girls working, I was quite disappointed with the quality, the best one was possibly a 5 , if you like curvy ones and maybe a little on heavy side then it is good, I don't know. I was the only guy there so all of them made a move and tried to get my attention. I got a drink (beer and soft drinks 6 e, combination 10 , girls drink 20 , so quite cheap actually).
The rooms are very nice, big and some have jacuzzies, quite posh. The rate I was told 150 e for 30 min and 200 for an hour, for me def it was not worth it as the quality was quite low, maybe because it was Monday or 10 pm is too early. I didn't feel very relaxed as some of them were quite pushy even tho they knew that I was not interested.
Maybe during the weekends it is better who knows. The villa and club itself is very nice tho.
Andalus Expat
06-27-23, 11:53
Tonight I went to club selecta in torremolinos, I know mondays are the worst days but it is summer so it should not matter much.
I entered at round 22:00 quite early, you can enter the parking area but then you have to ring the bell and wait for someone to open the door. The workers are polite and the interior is very nice (much nicer than estark or etc) there are many sofas and nice furniture and the minute you enter it you notice that it is a brothel as everythings red and the designed to be erotic. There were about 8,9 girls working, I was quite disappointed with the quality, the best one was possibly a 5 , if you like curvy ones and maybe a little on heavy side then it is good, I don't know. I was the only guy there so all of them made a move and tried to get my attention. I got a drink (beer and soft drinks 6 e, combination 10 , girls drink 20 , so quite cheap actually).
The rooms are very nice, big and some have jacuzzies, quite posh. The rate I was told 150 e for 30 min and 200 for an hour, for me def it was not worth it as the quality was quite low, maybe because it was Monday or 10 pm is too early. I didn't feel very relaxed as some of them were quite pushy even tho they knew that I was not interested.
Maybe during the weekends it is better who knows. The villa and club itself is very nice tho.As I said when I reported on it, Selecta runs as a villa not the way Estark runs. The girls are on a 50/50 split & non resident. It was much the same when I went in there. Monday night & few punters. Your assessment of the quality of the girls in only valid for you. The Spanish who will be the regular customers have an entirely different metric. They're not much interested in scrawny blondes & E. Europeans feature way down on their preference scale. Same's true on this board. Some of us value services & attitude & bodies higher than facial looks. (Pretty girl can be mostly selling pretty girl. Ten a euro on the CDS) I was told the numbers will double later in the week. No reason to disbelieve it. Monday night punters are different from Friday night punters. And the girls choose to work other nights may be different. Can't say I found them pushy. But I spend a lot of time around putas & am largely indifferent to them. (I'd just dropped one off in Torremolinos, prior to my visit) So maybe I give off different signals. Actually, I'd recommend that for anywhere. Act purposeful & don't gawp around the room. Avoid eye contact. One has plenty of time. It's all about establishing control of the situation. Because that's what they'll be trying to do. I was told 100 for the half. (Insert smiley emoji here).
As I said when I reported on it, Selecta runs as a villa not the way Estark runs. The girls are on a 50/50 split & non resident. It was much the same when I went in there. Monday night & few punters. Your assessment of the quality of the girls in only valid for you. The Spanish who will be the regular customers have an entirely different metric. They're not much interested in scrawny blondes & E. Europeans feature way down on their preference scale. Same's true on this board. Some of us value services & attitude & bodies higher than facial looks. (Pretty girl can be mostly selling pretty girl. Ten a euro on the CDS) I was told the numbers will double later in the week. No reason to disbelieve it. Monday night punters are different from Friday night punters. And the girls choose to work other nights may be different. Can't say I found them pushy. But I spend a lot of time around putas & am largely indifferent to them. (I'd just dropped one off in Torremolinos, prior to my visit) So maybe I give off different signals. Actually, I'd recommend that for anywhere. Act purposeful & don't gawp around the room. Avoid eye contact. One has plenty of time. It's all about establishing control of the situation. Because that's what they'll be trying to do. I was told 100 for the half. (Insert smiley emoji here).Of course that assessment of quality is only valid for me, as I said if you like curvy ones etc, then you may find them attractive, as most locals do. The thing is that what is considered beautiful or model type body nowadays is of course very slim, so that's why all the models have EE type bodies, but this is todays standard, and not everyone likes slim ones.
Andalus Expat
06-30-23, 19:38
The thing is that what is considered beautiful or model type body nowadays is of course very slim, so that's why all the models have EE type bodies, but this is todays standard,.That's the fashion industry, not punters. Revealed preferences show that the fat girl does indeed get fucked. And revealed preferences on the main CDS board put Celina with overwhelming number of favourable reports. The only box she ticks is EE. But she does offer remarkably good services. Famous for them. This report just in from Alicante. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=347746&d=1688135632 Apparently a "goddess" worth dreaming about. That figure wouldn't get anywhere near a catwalk. And definitely not EE. Unless it's East Eritrea. Punters like all sorts of girls. Why all sorts of girls can make a living. Mostly they want women they can feel comfortable with & do the business required. After all, no-one else sees them, do they?
Let's be honest. Most punters are punting because they're not going to get what they want for free. Going after something that not only requires the money but probably wouldn't want to seen dead in the same room as the punter otherwise, is not everybody's fantasy.
Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.
Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.What was the name of this brazilian? A bit of description please (hair color, natural or fake tits, dark or white).
Tx buddy.
What was the name of this brazilian? A bit of description please (hair color, natural or fake tits, dark or white).
Tx buddy.I think it was perla. Long black hair, about 160 cm, slim, think fake tits normal size 70,75 . Speaks good english.
I think it was perla. Long black hair, about 160 cm, slim, think fake tits normal size 70,75 . Speaks good english.Appreciated, will get around next week!
Appreciated, will get around next week!Went there, couldn't find Perla. But as a copy past of the description, I got matched with Victoria: nice experience.
Other than her, was very disappointing.
Visited estark on Friday night round 23 , it was quite busy about 20-30 guys and 40 girls. Many were latinas, even the new EE were mostly with big (operated) parts, so it seems that most of clients now prefer them.
GuyBrusg1957
08-03-23, 09:35
Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.Do most also reject DFK and BBBJ at the other clubs?
Andalus Expat
08-03-23, 10:55
Do most also reject DFK and BBBJ at the other clubs?Often seen this question asked. Maybe you should try looking at it from the girl's point of view.
Few women like doing either with a complete stranger. So let's look at incentives why they might. First, for a girl in a club there's not much difference between a half hour session & an hour. Past that they get more interested. Any punter lured upstairs is the result of propositioning several over a period of maybe hours of standing around on heels & trying to look interesting. And repeated rejection. After the event it's shower & repair the slap & back in the bar for the next attempt. For her, that odd 30 minutes more or less are trivial. She's not there, in her head, for any of it. She's doing a job, best finished. That's all. But the money is double.
So how does she read you as a punter? Club clients are hardly the best. The best clients (for girls) go to the independents on prearranged appointments. Usually freshly showered, teeth cleaned & sober. Many club clients are long overdue for a shower, recently been dining with teeth full of food* & often well full of drink. You go to a club at the end of your evening, not the beginning, don't you? If she's read you as a half hour & most club clients are & at this point she doesn't know which way or the other, asking her for two things she doesn't like doing will likely get a negative. But it may depend on how desperate she is to earn some money. These days, most of them are.
So if you must have the services (Although why anyone wants to share saliva with someone may have had a stranger's cock in her mouth shortly before baffles me. She's a puta, not a girlfriend) try making it plain you'll be up for an hour. Or just ask her if she'll accept extra payment for those services. It's like taking the car to the garage for an oil change. If you want the interior hoovered out while it's there you pay for the service. The hoovering comes with the de-lux. They don't do it out of love. And for her, it's exactly the same. This may change if you're a regular client of the girl. She'll want to keep you. But that's in the future or you wouldn't be asking the question, would you? But it is one of the reasons different punter's reports on the same girl might vary. The others are above.
And always remember these are club girls. Her expectation of having a repeat session with you approximate zero. What you may get in the room after the money's in her bag may differ from what you were promised in the bar.
*Why so few of the girls provide a disposable toothbrush, a tube of paste & insist that you use it has always baffled me. You can buy them in boxes for a few cents per. But putas are always reluctant to spend their own money on anything. Someone else is always expected to pay.
Often seen this question asked. Maybe you should try looking at it from the girl's point of view.
Few women like doing either with a complete stranger. So let's look at incentives why they might. First, for a girl in a club there's not much difference between a half hour session & an hour. Past that they get more interested. Any punter lured upstairs is the result of propositioning several over a period of maybe hours of standing around on heels & trying to look interesting. And repeated rejection. After the event it's shower & repair the slap & back in the bar for the next attempt. For her, that odd 30 minutes more or less are trivial. She's not there, in her head, for any of it. She's doing a job, best finished. That's all. But the money is double.
So how does she read you as a punter? Club clients are hardly the best. The best clients (for girls) go to the independents on prearranged appointments. Usually freshly showered, teeth cleaned & sober. Many club clients are long overdue for a shower, recently been dining with teeth full of food* & often well full of drink. You go to a club at the end of your evening, not the beginning, don't you? If she's read you as a half hour & most club clients are & at this point she doesn't know which way or the other, asking her for two things she doesn't like doing will likely get a negative. But it may depend on how desperate she is to earn some money. These days, most of them are.
So if you must have the services (Although why anyone wants to share saliva with someone may have had a stranger's cock in her mouth shortly before baffles me. She's a puta, not a girlfriend) try making it plain you'll be up for an hour. Or just ask her if she'll accept extra payment for those services. It's like taking the car to the garage for an oil change. If you want the interior hoovered out while it's there you pay for the service. The hoovering comes with the de-lux. They don't do it out of love. And for her, it's exactly the same. This may change if you're a regular client of the girl. She'll want to keep you. But that's in the future or you wouldn't be asking the question, would you? But it is one of the reasons different punter's reports on the same girl might vary. The others are above.
And always remember these are club girls. Her expectation of having a repeat session with you approximate zero. What you may get in the room after the money's in her bag may differ from what you were promised in the bar.
*Why so few of the girls provide a disposable toothbrush, a tube of paste & insist that you use it has always baffled me. You can buy them in boxes for a few cents per. But putas are always reluctant to spend their own money on anything. Someone else is always expected to pay.I agree, very true.
However the thing with BBBJ and DFK is that if you really want to look at it from hygienic point of view, the same can be said about DATY, licking and etc, so you should never visit them.
Actually the brazilin girl at estark did ask you to use the toothbrush and mouthwash, (first time I saw it).
Visited estark a few days ago, it is not very busy and as you say many of them are complaining, it gets busy at round 1 am till 2,30 and that's it they say. Lots of latinas with big fat asses and boobs, it seems the clients prefer them nowadays.
Saw a girl called alexandra romanian, gives great service, very nice girl.
Spotted a few good EEs but wanted extra 50 E for BBBJ, so even tho many are desperate there are some who earn quite good money.
Andalus Expat
08-14-23, 22:31
I agree, very true.
However the thing with BBBJ and DFK is that if you really want to look at it from hygienic point of view, the same can be said about DATY, licking and etc, so you should never visit them.As I've said before, it's a puta, not a girlfriend. There's only one person it the room having sex. The other's working. No doubt she doesn't appreciate the hygiene aspect. All sorts of things can be passed on by people's dentition along with the remains of chicken tikka & rice. But while you're occupied downstairs, she gets a break to compile the shopping list for Mercadona.
Sorry to disillusion you but it's reality. Particularly with club girls. You're another forgettable face at the end of a long line of forgettable faces.
As for visiting them, I probably don't in the way you do. I'm paying to receive professional sexual services not to provide them. I find girls trying to do a GFE on me extremely unerotic first time out, Enough to make me lose interest altogether, since it's so obviously an act. Not to say it doesn't happen. But that would be a few visits down the line when there's some sort of friendship may have built up. Even then, I'm often not exactly sure about that. They are working girls. It is a job.
Spotted a few good EEs but wanted extra 50 E for BBBJ, so even tho many are desperate there are some who earn quite good money.I'd want to see their bank balances before I passed an opinion. From what I hear from the girls I know, there's still a dearth of paying clients. There's been one round here all afternoon occupying one of the sunbeds. Not a tickle on her phone until 8:00 & she's gone home on the promise of what she expects to be half an hour. Pre-Covid she was making 2-3000 a week in August. Overnights at a grand a pop. Maybe the clubs are benefiting from the problems the advertising laws have caused? But it's always what they're pulling in over the week / month / season. Their daily living expenses eat money.
GuyBrusg1957
08-18-23, 03:37
Often seen this question asked. Maybe you should try looking at it from the girl's point of view. I have looked at from the Girl's point of view. She may or may not want to do those kinds of things. I can't speak for others at the club but I kept myself groomed, well dressed and clean. Sex is without kissing to me is awful. Kissing is is just kissing unless you yourself put meaning behind it.
If DFK isn't common at places like Estark, that is okay and I will simply go elsewhere.
Andalus Expat
08-18-23, 12:08
I have looked at from the Girl's point of view. She may or may not want to do those kinds of things. I can't speak for others at the club but I kept myself groomed, well dressed and clean. Sex is without kissing to me is awful. Kissing is is just kissing unless you yourself put meaning behind it.
If DFK isn't common at places like Estark, that is okay and I will simply go elsewhere.It is, as I said, a service. If you want it, ask and make it plain if needed, you'll pay for it. I think a lot of guys over buy into the illusion these clubs are regular discos just happen to have a lot of unattached totty standing around in them. Hence the extensive chin-wagging that goes in their direction. You don't need to chat them up. If you want companionship, keep buying them drinks from the bar & they'll provide the service. (They earn on the drinks) Otherwise you just piss them off for wasting their time. They're working professionals. They'll be anything you want, do anything you want (within their personal limits) providing you pay for the services. If the one you're talking to isn't up for what you require, try a different one. Don't worry about hurting her feelings. She hasn't got any. If you understand it this way, you'll avoid a lot of disappointments & wasted money.
Maybe it's the word "club" that gets people off on the wrong foot. They are not clubs in either meaning of the word. No membership is required & few provide any sort of entertainment*. They are bar / hotels host prossies.
* Some of the better ones provide dancefloors & DJ music for dancing, pole dancers, strippers, live shows or live music performances. But that's definitely not Estark.
I have looked at from the Girl's point of view. She may or may not want to do those kinds of things. I can't speak for others at the club but I kept myself groomed, well dressed and clean. Sex is without kissing to me is awful. Kissing is is just kissing unless you yourself put meaning behind it.
If DFK isn't common at places like Estark, that is okay and I will simply go elsewhere.It is common at estark but of course depends on the girl and also whether she likes you or not. But as AE says, always tell them straight in the face without wasting their time and if she rejects, just go to someone else. In estark from experience, I can tell you that EE are most likely to do it and are more honest than SA.
As I've said before, it's a puta, not a girlfriend. There's only one person it the room having sex. The other's working. No doubt she doesn't appreciate the hygiene aspect. All sorts of things can be passed on by people's dentition along with the remains of chicken tikka & rice. But while you're occupied downstairs, she gets a break to compile the shopping list for Mercadona.
Sorry to disillusion you but it's reality. Particularly with club girls. You're another forgettable face at the end of a long line of forgettable faces.
As for visiting them, I probably don't in the way you do. I'm paying to receive professional sexual services not to provide them. I find girls trying to do a GFE on me extremely unerotic first time out, Enough to make me lose interest altogether, since it's so obviously an act. Not to say it doesn't happen. But that would be a few visits down the line when there's some sort of friendship may have built up. Even then, I'm often not exactly sure about that. They are working girls. It is a job.
I'd want to see their bank balances before I passed an opinion. From what I hear from the girls I know, there's still a dearth of paying clients. There's been one round here all afternoon occupying one of the sunbeds. Not a tickle on her phone until 8:00 & she's gone home on the promise of what she expects to be half an hour. Pre-Covid she was making 2-3000 a week in August. Overnights at a grand a pop. Maybe the clubs are benefiting from the problems the advertising laws have caused? But it's always what they're pulling in over the week / month / season. Their daily living expenses eat money.I actually want them to forget my face but in fact it may surprise you that some of them recognize you even tho they have seen you only once 6 months ago, I am shocked at this.
I def understand what you say about getting services and etc. But BBBJ is a service I think you want, and that is not without risks, so when I said visiting them, I wanted to say that you know visiting them has its own risks.
Andalus Expat
08-19-23, 14:36
I actually want them to forget my face but in fact it may surprise you that some of them recognize you even tho they have seen you only once 6 months ago, I am shocked at this..Well it is part of their job. With a previous client they're halfway to a repeat performance. And it's an excuse to keep the other girls off. But how genuine it is? I've had girls claim I've had the pleasure with them before, when I'm a 100% certain I haven't. Not the sort of xica I'd be remotely interested in. Very few girls work the clubs are. And it's a known ploy. Many guys don't remember much of what's above the neckline. Thanks to the slap, girls tend to have generic faces. It's what they're aiming for. Not hard to convince him. Just play his own conversation back at him.
Try an experiment. Go up to a girl you know you haven't, but tell her that you have. I'm willing to bet evens she'll go along with it.
Well it is part of their job. With a previous client they're halfway to a repeat performance. And it's an excuse to keep the other girls off. But how genuine it is? I've had girls claim I've had the pleasure with them before, when I'm a 100% certain I haven't. Not the sort of xica I'd be remotely interested in. Very few girls work the clubs are. And it's a known ploy. Many guys don't remember much of what's above the neckline. Thanks to the slap, girls tend to have generic faces. It's what they're aiming for. Not hard to convince him. Just play his own conversation back at him.
Try an experiment. Go up to a girl you know you haven't, but tell her that you have. I'm willing to bet evens she'll go along with it.Yes, I know. But actually some of them have had sessions with me six months ago and they still know me and remember my name and how the session went.
Anyone has any update on glass palace and clubs west of marbella? The one close to admiral casino?
I was in Spain again recently and was like f**k it I'm going to go see what's happening in e92.
That place used to be one of my favourite places on earth, last couple times I've been I have left feeling a bit dirty inside, I don't know if its just me growing older and internally telling myself I shouldn't be doing this or its just the energy of the club, but tbh its probably the quality of the girl who then again gives good service and is one of the best but she's still only a 6/10 LOL.
It used to be so good, the quality of girls, the venue, now they've split the casino from the club, I can't go chill there without leaving the club and even in the casino there is like 2-3 girls and they're all horrific. The day Ina left is the day Estark died imo, even Alicia is nowhere to be found.
The security especially the guy on the casino have such a bad energy, before they would say hey now I feel everyones hostile, I know they had a shooting etc but still the set up is weird now.
Went upstairs with one I've previously done, tbh I hung around for like 2 hours scoping girls and I thought they were all shit, one had a pretty face body wasn't all that though. I think all the high quality girls have gone Dubai or something LOL.
Going to try and hit Scandalo during this next couple weeks, but Estark 92, RIP. Its just turned into a dirty working girl house in my opinon (it was a working girl house anyway) but nah. Such a shame.
I was in Spain again recently and was like f**k it I'm going to go see what's happening in e92.
That place used to be one of my favourite places on earth, last couple times I've been I have left feeling a bit dirty inside, I don't know if its just me growing older and internally telling myself I shouldn't be doing this or its just the energy of the club, but tbh its probably the quality of the girl who then again gives good service and is one of the best but she's still only a 6/10 LOL.
It used to be so good, the quality of girls, the venue, now they've split the casino from the club, I can't go chill there without leaving the club and even in the casino there is like 2-3 girls and they're all horrific. The day Ina left is the day Estark died imo, even Alicia is nowhere to be found.
The security especially the guy on the casino have such a bad energy, before they would say hey now I feel everyones hostile, I know they had a shooting etc but still the set up is weird now.
Went upstairs with one I've previously done, tbh I hung around for like 2 hours scoping girls and I thought they were all shit, one had a pretty face body wasn't all that though. I think all the high quality girls have gone Dubai or something LOL.
Going to try and hit Scandalo during this next couple weeks, but Estark 92, RIP. Its just turned into a dirty working girl house in my opinon (it was a working girl house anyway) but nah. Such a shame.Scandalo in August is much better quality. E92 is not good during the August since many girls go on holidays or back to their countries or head to marbella to earn more money and only the ones in desperate need of money, and many SA with big stuff work there as many domestic tourists prefer them. In September things usually get better at estark.
Check out mildays palace too, the quality is good and the bar area is great, even tho I feel like you can pick up better quality girls at the posh restaurants and discos in marbella.
GuyBrusg1957
09-12-23, 15:28
It is, as I said, a service. If you want it, ask and make it plain if needed, you'll pay for it. I think a lot of guys over buy into the illusion these clubs are regular discos just happen to have a lot of unattached totty standing around in them. Hence the extensive chin-wagging that goes in their direction. You don't need to chat them up. If you want companionship, keep buying them drinks from the bar & they'll provide the service. (They earn on the drinks) Otherwise you just piss them off for wasting their time. They're working professionals. They'll be anything you want, do anything you want (within their personal limits) providing you pay for the services. If the one you're talking to isn't up for what you require, try a different one. Don't worry about hurting her feelings. She hasn't got any. If you understand it this way, you'll avoid a lot of disappointments & wasted money.
Maybe it's the word "club" that gets people off on the wrong foot. They are not clubs in either meaning of the word. No membership is required & few provide any sort of entertainment*. They are bar / hotels host prossies.
* Some of the better ones provide dancefloors & DJ music for dancing, pole dancers, strippers, live shows or live music performances. But that's definitely not Estark.It is a service but there's no reason for me to go there if that isn't often available. I am not sure what you mean by the "illusion of a regular disco" or "unattached totty" but it sounds like this place probably doesn't have what I want and I should look elsewhere.
Having recently come back home to Malaga I dropped by estark92 twice this week. Once in the middle of the week, once on the weekend.
In the middle of the week I went with one colombian, and didn't see anyone else I might have liked. Guessing there was about 30 women there at that time (before midnight) and around 10 punters.
This weekend, around 03 am, I'm guessing there were about 30-40 women, and 20-30 punters. Saw only one I liked (from Costa Rica), one of very few below 30, but when asking about service, she said only covered BJ, so I declined. Almost everyone else in the club was ranging from directly unattractive too "I'd fuck her for free since I'm already here, but pay, no."
Not a frequent visitor to estark92, and never saw anyone there I'd rate as beautiful, but slim pickings indeed now.
Having recently come back home to Malaga I dropped by estark92 twice this week. Once in the middle of the week, once on the weekend.
In the middle of the week I went with one colombian, and didn't see anyone else I might have liked. Guessing there was about 30 women there at that time (before midnight) and around 10 punters.
This weekend, around 03 am, I'm guessing there were about 30-40 women, and 20-30 punters. Saw only one I liked (from Costa Rica), one of very few below 30, but when asking about service, she said only covered BJ, so I declined. Almost everyone else in the club was ranging from directly unattractive too "I'd fuck her for free since I'm already here, but pay, no."
Not a frequent visitor to estark92, and never saw anyone there I'd rate as beautiful, but slim pickings indeed now.Yes true.
I was there over the weekend and the quality was a bit than August (August was really bad as expected because many girls go on holidays and etc, however if you like big fat asses then quality may be great for you), there are very few choices (EE and slim type) there were about 30 punters and 50 girls, the rooms are all sold out but the problem is that it seems most of new clients prefer SA and big asses, talked to a few girls and they were not very happy with the business but it is not like there is no money at all, there are customers but they want more.
Spoker to a romanian who had come to estark from scandalo (she said scandalo is busy but a bit difficult to work there as they have no control over the time, room etc, so she liked it better at estark) the service was great, can't remember her name but a tall blonde girl.
Can please anyone say how things are in fontana, glass palace and clubs in estepona, sotogrande etc area?? Payforit?
Can please anyone say how things are in fontana, glass palace and clubs in estepona, sotogrande etc area?? Payforit?Glass palace is closed and became now a cheap hotel.
I don't know at all what's nice in estepona, except the BelAir club, but none of the members were able to tell me if it is a nice place or not.
I usually go to the Thai Biarritz massage, where, if the boss is not there, you could get an extra HJ.
So if some members read this post, what about the Belair Club or any idea about the other thai massage in estepona and san pedro?
That would be nice to receive some tips.
Thanks in advance.
Yes true.
I was there over the weekend and the quality was a bit than August (August was really bad as expected because many girls go on holidays and etc, however if you like big fat asses then quality may be great for you), there are very few choices (EE and slim type) there were about 30 punters and 50 girls, the rooms are all sold out but the problem is that it seems most of new clients prefer SA and big asses, talked to a few girls and they were not very happy with the business but it is not like there is no money at all, there are customers but they want more.
Spoker to a romanian who had come to estark from scandalo (she said scandalo is busy but a bit difficult to work there as they have no control over the time, room etc, so she liked it better at estark) the service was great, can't remember her name but a tall blonde girl.I'm also only interested in the slim / fit type, and not too old (less than 30 usually, because I rarely see anyone I think is attractive above 30). I dropped by estark again last night on my way home from the cinema, but left after looking around for 10 minutes. Around 20-25 women, and 5-10 punters I guess. Some business is obviously being done though, as two punters went up with women during that time (one woman returned after a minute or two though, so guess there was some disagreement on the way up. ;-)).
Not sure if things will improve considerably now that summer is over, or if this is how estark is most of the time, with the same old faces every time?
Andalus Expat
10-02-23, 22:00
I'm also only interested in the slim / fit type, and not too old (less than 30 usually, because I rarely see anyone I think is attractive above 30). I dropped by estark again last night on my way home from the cinema, but left after looking around for 10 minutes. Around 20-25 women, and 5-10 punters I guess. Some business is obviously being done though, as two punters went up with women during that time (one woman returned after a minute or two though, so guess there was some disagreement on the way up. ;-)).
Not sure if things will improve considerably now that summer is over, or if this is how estark is most of the time, with the same old faces every time?I'd say you're going to the wrong place for what you want. Estark always was a meat rack. Especially in the season because the clients are dross. You won't find many decent girls there because they don't want to work it. The season's hustler time.
I think you'd do far better trying some of the villas & houses as long as you get your price point right. Don't go for the cheapest. If you budget for the 200+/ hour you're rushed at Estark you should luck into some cherries. Remember, at Estark costs (your bar drink plus chica plus the sheet rip-off) you're moving into the realm of the top end girls. Maybe try the place at Elviria. But it will take a little work on your part. Visit a few. Don't expect to luck in with the first. If you're not impressed by the line-up, go somewhere else.
A small word of caution. It's customary at these places, the client's first drink is free. It's advisable to ask to see the girls first. If you don't choose one they may ask for the drink money. If you do choose one, tell them which one " and I'll have a (whatever)" Unless you don't mind mind paying for the drink, of course. But if you're checking several places - - -.
MagicSheep74
10-03-23, 08:37
I'm also only interested in the slim / fit type, and not too old (less than 30 usually, because I rarely see anyone I think is attractive above 30). I dropped by estark again last night on my way home from the cinema, but left after looking around for 10 minutes. Around 20-25 women, and 5-10 punters I guess. Some business is obviously being done though, as two punters went up with women during that time (one woman returned after a minute or two though, so guess there was some disagreement on the way up. ;-)).
Not sure if things will improve considerably now that summer is over, or if this is how estark is most of the time, with the same old faces every time?Hello Gents,
It sounds like Estark is seriously on the slide, so I would recommend. Casa Masa Villa in Marbella.
If you google it, you'll get there old address but the correct WhatsApp number. They are still located in Marbella in an approximately 3 to 4 million Euro Villa.
At any given time when you go they will present you with about 10 to 15 Latin Girls. Of that 10 to 15, there is always around 2 that are a lot more attractive than anything you'd normally find in the clubs.
Current recommendation.
Alicia. Venezuela - 9/10. Very slim, with a very pretty face.
Angi. Colombia - 8/10 - Quite slim, attractive face and lovely body.
BBBJ is mandatory in my experience, its not even up for discussion.
Its Marbella, so not cheap - 200 HR and the rooms are pretty luxurious.
Drinks are optional, but like A Expat says, I think the first one is free.
I have been away for the summer, and back the end of October living in Marbella. Happy to report back on both this Villa and Milady Palace. Can't really be arsed driving through to Scandalo and Estark these days, as the reports have not been favourable enough for me to do so.
Haven't been to Casa Masa for a while, but I keep in touch with these 2 girls above, and they claim they are both there.
For the high costs of Milady Palace, I can only recommend Emily from Romania. Very pricey, but her gorgeous long legs and pert butt are worth the price alone. At least once a month, I will allow myself a 200 euros spend to enter the place and bash the arse off her.
MS.
I'm also only interested in the slim / fit type, and not too old (less than 30 usually, because I rarely see anyone I think is attractive above 30). I dropped by estark again last night on my way home from the cinema, but left after looking around for 10 minutes. Around 20-25 women, and 5-10 punters I guess. Some business is obviously being done though, as two punters went up with women during that time (one woman returned after a minute or two though, so guess there was some disagreement on the way up. ;-)).
Not sure if things will improve considerably now that summer is over, or if this is how estark is most of the time, with the same old faces every time?Usually things get better in Oct., Nov. As A expat says summer season clients are mostly horrible and looking for big fat ass, so the quality drops.
Hello Gents,
It sounds like Estark is seriously on the slide, so I would recommend. Casa Masa Villa in Marbella.
If you google it, you'll get there old address but the correct WhatsApp number. They are still located in Marbella in an approximately 3 to 4 million Euro Villa.
At any given time when you go they will present you with about 10 to 15 Latin Girls. Of that 10 to 15, there is always around 2 that are a lot more attractive than anything you'd normally find in the clubs.
Current recommendation.
Alicia. Venezuela - 9/10. Very slim, with a very pretty face.
Angi. Colombia - 8/10 - Quite slim, attractive face and lovely body.
BBBJ is mandatory in my experience, its not even up for discussion.
Its Marbella, so not cheap - 200 HR and the rooms are pretty luxurious.
Drinks are optional, but like A Expat says, I think the first one is free.
I have been away for the summer, and back the end of October living in Marbella. Happy to report back on both this Villa and Milady Palace. Can't really be arsed driving through to Scandalo and Estark these days, as the reports have not been favourable enough for me to do so.
Haven't been to Casa Masa for a while, but I keep in touch with these 2 girls above, and they claim they are both there.
For the high costs of Milady Palace, I can only recommend Emily from Romania. Very pricey, but her gorgeous long legs and pert butt are worth the price alone. At least once a month, I will allow myself a 200 euros spend to enter the place and bash the arse off her.
MS.Thanks for the recommendations.
There are also some very nice girls on euroescort page marbella, with faces uncovered and videos, some also have reviews, so I think its worth trying some of those too.
Hello Gents,
It sounds like Estark is seriously on the slide, so I would recommend. Casa Masa Villa in Marbella.
If you google it, you'll get there old address but the correct WhatsApp number. They are still located in Marbella in an approximately 3 to 4 million Euro Villa.
At any given time when you go they will present you with about 10 to 15 Latin Girls. Of that 10 to 15, there is always around 2 that are a lot more attractive than anything you'd normally find in the clubs.
Current recommendation.
Alicia. Venezuela - 9/10. Very slim, with a very pretty face.
Angi. Colombia - 8/10 - Quite slim, attractive face and lovely body.
BBBJ is mandatory in my experience, its not even up for discussion.
Its Marbella, so not cheap - 200 HR and the rooms are pretty luxurious.
Drinks are optional, but like A Expat says, I think the first one is free.
Thanks for the recommendations. Unfortunately while passing by estark92 is easy for me, I'm honestly too lazy to spend two hours going back and forth to Marbella just for p4p, though it would be nice not having to always ask if they do bj without condom first. How annoying that punters in estark92 accept that.
Good luck for you staying close. .
Hey guys!
Planning my first trip to Estark 92 next week. I am staying in town, and I was going to take the train out there, which seems to go right to the doorstep. Problem is, the last train back is at midnight, which I am reading is the time when its getting started.
Anyone every take a cab back into town? Are there cabs hanging out in front like at the FKK's? How much will a cab cost? Does uber work out there?
Thanks in advance!
Andalus Expat
10-17-23, 12:16
Hey guys!
Planning my first trip to Estark 92 next week. I am staying in town, and I was going to take the train out there, which seems to go right to the doorstep. Problem is, the last train back is at midnight, which I am reading is the time when its getting started.
Anyone every take a cab back into town? Are there cabs hanging out in front like at the FKK's? How much will a cab cost? Does uber work out there?
Thanks in advance!You omit to say which town. If it's Fuengirola, a cab to the centre's probably around 15€ these days. The Benalmadena frontier's about half a klick up the road from Estark, so anything from 5€ to 25 as far as the Torremolinos border. There's a cab-rank directly opposite is usually well attended. Sure, Uber's are available although you may have to wait for one to arrive. And they could be dearer or cheaper. Uber prices can steep in the early hours. Taxis are a fixed rate.
Considering the eyewatering prices in Estark, would have thought cab costs were the least of your worries!
You omit to say which town. If it's Fuengirola, a cab to the centre's probably around 15 these days. The Benalmadena frontier's about half a klick up the road from Estark, so anything from 5 to 25 as far as the Torremolinos border. There's a cab-rank directly opposite is usually well attended. Sure, Uber's are available although you may have to wait for one to arrive. And they could be dearer or cheaper. Uber prices can steep in the early hours. Taxis are a fixed rate.
Considering the eyewatering prices in Estark, would have thought cab costs were the least of your worries!Actually I am coming from Malaga proper. Maria Zambrano station. Cab driver told me that after 10 pm, a ride back would be 50 euro. I think I am going to take the C1.
Andalus Expat
10-18-23, 01:22
Actually I am coming from Malaga proper. Maria Zambrano station. Cab driver told me that after 10 pm, a ride back would be 50 euro. I think I am going to take the C1.50 sounds a bit light to me. I think Pepe said it was over 60 from the airport to Fueng & Carvajal / MariaZ's a fair bit further than that. Don't know if they're still doing it but at one time it was possible to rent a room at Estark. Was 75. They should have rooms vacant. The most girls reported there at the moment was about 50 & they have accommodation for at least twice that. Of course you're going to find yourself trapped in a hotel full of hungry of WG's. Not something I'd particularly relish. Wedge a chair under the door-handle, if I were you. Gun under your pillow for a last ditch defence. Try ringing them.
Actually I am coming from Malaga proper. Maria Zambrano station. Cab driver told me that after 10 pm, a ride back would be 50 euro. I think I am going to take the C1.I'm no Estark-expert, but I was there at around 22:30 on a weekday some weeks back and saw much of the same faces that I see at 00:00. Or maybe because I so rarely see anyone there I'd rate as pretty they all just look the same to me. ;-)
If you need to conserve your money, I'd get there around 22:00 and see. Worst case you will wait (probably in vain) for somebody pretty to show up, and then have to take a taxi back. Best case you'll be taking the train back.
Are Sophia back in milady palace? Big boobs Arabic women squirt.
She are also much in puente Romano.
Went to estark on Thursday, it was quite busy, about 40,50 girls, 20,30 guys. The quality was not great but not bad, a few 8's but they looked quite stern and stuck up, and none of these wanted to do DFK, BBBJ. But all in all it was not a bad experience.
Went to estark on Thursday, it was quite busy, about 40,50 girls, 20,30 guys. The quality was not great but not bad, a few 8's but they looked quite stern and stuck up, and none of these wanted to do DFK, BBBJ. But all in all it was not a bad experience.Sounds pretty typical of estark unfortunately. I stopped by myself some weeks ago, but left after a few minutes.
Only one attractive was a girl that I, against my better judgement, went with once even after she told me she did not do BBBJ, as I could not see anyone else. As expected, the session was nothing to recommend and nothing I want to pay to repeat. Can't remember if she said she was from Puerto Rico or DR. Petite, black hair, nice smile, looks like she's having fun with her fellow workers, and one of very few who looks younger than 30 and not worn out.
Andalus Expat
02-21-24, 00:34
Went to estark on Thursday, it was quite busy, about 40,50 girls, 20,30 guys. The quality was not great but not bad, a few 8's but they looked quite stern and stuck up, and none of these wanted to do DFK, BBBJ. But all in all it was not a bad experience.Said this several times before. BBBJ included in the price is pretty well default for working girls in Spain. I can't even remember the last time it wasn't on the menu. 2 or 3 years ago? So that has to be over at least 50 different women. And at the prices you're paying in Estark it'd be obligatory. They wouldn't get any clients else. You're simply going to the wrong place for the services you want. Why waste your money?
E92.
Arrived around 00.00. 30 girls 10 guys. I didn't really see anything I liked but went with a curvy Dominican. 100€ 30 min BBBJ but had to buy something at the bar (orange juice 10€) and fee for sheets 10€ so 120€ in total.
BJ not so good since she stopped every 5 seconds to spit into the wet wipes she used to clean my dick. This after she washed my dick in the bidet, so weird.
Scandalo.
Arrived 23.30 10-15 girls and about the same amount guys. Was very disappointed with the lineup and lack of girls. Money never sleeps but apparently chicas do, just because its good Friday. First session was with a young Dominican with braces, 28 but looked younger. Asked me if I wanted to buy her a drink and I said no and she was cool with that. She used to work in Madrid (Vive) but said it was too hectic there and liked it better here. 150€ for 30 min with BBBJ. Very good session with no rush / stress.
Sat around hoping that new girls would appear and saw a few new faces. One Brazilian that resembled Miley Cyrus / Robin Wright with her short blond / black hair. Asked me if I wanted to go upstairs and I told her give me 5-10 min. She went and sat by the bar and started talking to some old man. Was looking for other girls meanwhile and the Brazilian seemed to have forgotten about me so I called a brunette over, colombian. Super friendly and fumy. Told her that I had to go to the bathroom before going to the room with her and she asked if I was going to do coke, LOL. In the bathroom a young man offered me kamagra gel for free, wtf? I told him naah I'm good. I've heard of ED pills but not gels.
Paid 130€ for 30 min and BBBJ. Had a hard time to finish with the condom on so I fucked her big tits and eventually came on them. A few minutes after I finished "reception" called the room, time was up. Afterward she asked for a tip and I gave her 20€ so 150€ in total, well worth it.
Summary:
New Scandalo is a good club, but not spectacular. Well worth a visit if you are in the neighbourhood. But there is no reason to travel half the world to this club with high expectations. The lineup has some decent talent, but you can find this many places around the world. My biggest criticism is about prices (too expensive without having the optics to defend it) and questionable service standards (good performance is NOT guaranteed despite promises and high prices). Also be prepared for the girls' hardsell of drinks (30 E) and "propinas". Party, waste your money, or be left alone/leave.
The details:
Address: Diderot, 2, 29004 Malaga.
Website: https://newscandalo.com/
Opening hours: From 5 pm till 5 or 6 am in the morning (check website for details). This is a traditional Spanish bar / night club. A simple google search show that the club is awfully quiet except for between 10 pm and 2 am on the weekends.
Directions (use Google Maps):
- 15- 20 E taxi from central Malaga (my choice).
- Around 20 mnts by car from central Malaga. Parking seemed easy (but did not try).
- Around 30- 45 mnts by public transport (including 10- 20 mnts walking). Several options in the evening. Never checked nighttime options. Club is located in a desolated industrial area. Maybe not everybody's cup of tea, but I never felt unsafe.
I had read about several black streetwalkers outside the club, but did not observe a single one.
Pricing:
Session fee: I was quoted 130- 150 E /30 and 200- 250 E /60. Most girls will pay the room fee from this amount.
Room fee: 30 E (usually paid by the girls).
Entrance fee: 15 E (gets you one "free" drink).
Selection:
Hard to be precise. Minimum 30- 40 girls in the bar area at peak hours (on a weekend night). Perhaps add 10- 20 who were busy in the rooms, brushing up or arriving late? My best guesstimate is around 35- 50 girls. F / M ratios felt acceptable and never too crowded (from 3/1 to 1/1). 95% latinas (Colombia, Venezuela, DR, Brazil, Peru, Argentina if we are to believe the hearsay). 5% EE girls perhaps.
Quality of line-up:
Good. Not spectacular. First impression very easily put a smile on my face, but after letting the experience sink in you realize there is only a handful of options the you are really interested in. With the latinas dominating the floor let's hope you can handle curves. Plenty of sillies "here and there", but all natural girls also available if you look carefully. Very few really skinny girls. Age group 25- 40 dominating (very normal).
Ambience:
- You are greeted by friendly staff (2- 3 security guys) and are asked to pay the entrance fee (15 E) that gives you one free drink.
- You are then showed the way to the main bar. Lots of girls smiling your way (that latina smile). Music not too loud. Barstools by the bar and in the back end. No couches to relax. You are quickly approached by the girls, so be prepared for hardsell of chica drinks (30 E).
- Girls basically wearing short dresses and tops showing huge cleavages (the latina way).
- Rooms upstairs. Decent, comfy and clean, but not luxurious by any means. Separate bathroom with shower. Payment is made in advance to the madam upstairs in exchange for sheets / towels.
- There is also a "sidebar" downstairs next to the main bar that is more quiet and relaxed (couches) if you need to chill between sessions, but it quickly becomes boring.
- At times you can see a girl do a pole dance. But that is rare. Most girls do NOT pole dance.
- The girls are mostly charming and easygoing, but will quickly disappear if you do not bite (chica drink or room commitment).
The story:
For many years I have had plans for a Costa del Sol visit wanting to explore this part of Spain. This time I had hoped for 4- 5 nights out, but it sadly turned to be this night only at New Scandalo.
It was a Friday night mid April around 11 pm. I was greeted by friendly staff and led the way to the bar. Ordered a drink. Bartenders / waiters are superfriendly (except for that one cheap bartender who never returned the change. Pfff ... ).
Brushed off a couple of girls, but then SHE stood there with a smile from her head to her feet with sweet fishnets and showing off an all natural cleavage. That smile was so contageous having my little one's full attention. I ordered a chica drink.
We then proceeded to the room:
Name: Paula? (do not recall exactly).
Nationality: DR.
Language: Spanish (fluid in google translator).
Age: Early 20's?.
Height: Medium.
Skin: Light brown (mulatta).
Hair colour: Curly black hair in a ponytail.
Face: Pretty face. Not too much makeup.
Chest: be-cups all natural.
Body: Slim with nice proportions. Nice booty.
Personality: Fun girl. Charming. A bit insistant.
Services: Session started with her asking for a 2nd chica drink. Not a good sign. I refused. She asked for a propina. I said maybe later if the session was good. She did some dancing / stripping. Then showering together. Some touching. Weak kissing (despite promises of DFK). Not into DATY. BBBJ ok-ish. I started regretting my pick for the evening. We fucked in various positions and I had my release.
Damage: 230 E for 60 mnts with Paula (including room fee 30 E) + chica drink 30E + entrance 15 E + 2x drinks for me. Total damage: 315E.
Needless to say I will not repeat and cannot recommend to others (sorry I do not recall her name, but hope the description is helpful).
I went back to the bar but found the hardsell of drinks and propinas offputting and left shortly thereafter. I decided the lineup was far from being spectacular. Made a mental note of Georgina from Colombia for another night (hot girl / nice personality), but it never materialized.
Will I be back? Probably if I go to CDS again. But I will surely also look for better options. New Scandalo on this particular night did not have the optics nor perfomance that could defend the high prices.
Summary:
New Scandalo is a good club, but not spectacular. Well worth a visit if you are in the neighbourhood. But there is no reason to travel half the world to this club with high expectations. The lineup has some decent talent, but you can find this many places around the world. My biggest criticism is about prices (too expensive without having the optics to defend it) and questionable service standards (good performance is NOT guaranteed despite promises and high prices). Also be prepared for the girls' hardsell of drinks (30 E) and "propinas". Party, waste your money, or be left alone/leave.
Good report. I think I have a similar preference regarding women, and the pickings are slim unfortunately. Estark92 in Fuengirola is similar, but cheaper (no entrance fee, but expected to buy yourself a drink at the bar, woman 100 E / half hour, + 10 for bed sheets payed to the reception before going up), and no pestering for drinks.
Good report.Thanks. Also a special thanks to you and others who keep this thread alive. Very helpful in front of my trip.
Yeah, Estark92 was definitively on top of my list, together with trying out some of the appartments / houses that are very much underreported on ISG. New Scandalo seems overrated, at least from a first time visitor pov.
I think I am slightly more positive about the lineup than you. Surely no skinny thai girls at New Scandalo if that is your thing. I was expecting latinas, hoping for latinas, and got latinas. A nice change from the EE girls in Germany that I am used to. And they come in all shapes and sizes. Most gents should be able to find someone. Although I am not interested in those with too artificial looks (oversized ass and sillies).
My biggest complaint about New Scandalo is the lack of correlation between the high prices and quality of lineup and services. You often hear among some gents that "high prices guarantees good quality". Nothing could be further from the truth. New Scandalo is the living proof that is just a myth. You feel so robbed. The low point was perhaps the bartender who never bothered to return the change. That was just so hilarious and disrespectful (btw I am the sort of guy who always leave a tip in a bar).
Also, the hardsell of chica drinks and "propinas" was an annoyance. It is not that I have not been to Spanish night clubs before, but the hardsell at New Scandao was far above anything I have ever experienced in Barcelona / Catalonia. I will not be surprised if the tourist spend 100- 200 euros on drinks/propinas before even had a chance to get a girl to a room. Not my thing at all.
I mean, half the fun at the bar is to meet and "socialize" with the girls. But many did not bother to introduce themselves before popping the question of a drink. Even with a drink, the interaction was poor. Oh, how I miss the colombiana bar girls in the Caribbean. Even without a drink they would overwhelm you with smiles and hugs and touches feeling you up bumping their naked thighs to your groins until you were screaming for her. New Scandalo was nothing like that.
Andalus Expat
04-30-24, 09:12
but expected to buy yourself a drink at the bar,You were actually asked were you? I briefly dropped in there last week looking for a Carioca I'd been told was working there. Got the same request from some munter roosting in the smoking area when I checked it out & the barman seemed to be hovering. Yes I know the place lives partially off of its bar take but it must be getting hard up. It's just not something any decent bar should do. Maybe if you'd set up home there for the evening but not in the first five minutes. If they're not giving you the opportunity to size the place up it can't be worth going. When I was there about 20 girls, maybe half a dozen guys. Alas no brasiliera. Not worth asking after her because I'm unlikely to get a straight answer. No girl's going to give up a potential victim to help another. Never mind. If she's on the coast no doubt see her at the Feria International starts tomorrow. Pretty well all the S. Americans will be there at one time or another. Might require me to attend every night of the week though. I can stand that. I did last year. Ended the final night at 5 AM bieing dragged home by a drunken paraguaya. So well recommended. More totty than you will see in your entire life. Pea de Brasil my favourite but Colombia, Paraguay & Dominica worth a look. And Jamaica if you like reggae but normally a noticeable shortage of Jamaicans.
You were actually asked were you? Yeah, after I plumped myself down at the bar. I said "no thank you", but bartender insisted. Since then I just plump myself down somewhere else than at the bar to avoid that, except on the occasion I actually want something to drink during the 5-10 minutes I usually hang around before leaving or going up with someone. The latter being rather rare unfortunately.
DeepThoughts7
07-05-24, 16:51
Hi,
I wanted to politely ask what the smoking policy is in the clubs, and more specifically, for New Scandalo? I am very allergic to cigarette smoke. If they have a separate, closed, smoking area that is fine.
DeepThoughts7
07-16-24, 16:48
Hi,
I wanted to politely ask what the smoking policy is in the clubs, and more specifically, for New Scandalo? I am very allergic to cigarette smoke. If they have a separate, closed, smoking area that is fine.Hi, I wanted to politely follow up on this question. Can anyone kindly please let me know if you are allowed to smoke in New Scandalo. I messaged them, but got no response. Thanks.
Hi,
I wanted to politely ask what the smoking policy is in the clubs, and more specifically, for New Scandalo? I am very allergic to cigarette smoke. If they have a separate, closed, smoking area that is fine.Just stay by the main bar and you'll be ok. Smoking is allowed in the outdoor area.
HI, how is the quality at estark and milady palace nowadays?
MagicSheep74
08-17-24, 18:54
HI, how is the quality at estark and milady palace nowadays?Milady is pretty good in general, but expensive. Estark is nothing above a 6/10 and insistence on a CBJ. Don't go back, explore new places.
Andalus Expat
08-18-24, 11:49
Milady is pretty good in general, but expensive. Estark is nothing above a 6/10 and insistence on a CBJ. Don't go back, explore new places.I can't understand how they're getting away with that one, Mr Sheep. BBBJ is pretty well the default in Spain. One doesn't fuck women who don't. It was pretty well the default in Estark a few yeas back. And at 200/ hour now, plus the bloody sheets! I can only presume it's a change in the customers. No one with any experience now goes there.
I wonder if this particular club or just the tourist clubs on the CDS? Extend to other Spanish resorts? The club girls are all on the same circuit & will be working non-tourist venues part of the time. They need to in the off season.
The only other thing I can think of is club customers were always at the bottom end of the desirability table. Why most girls won't work clubs. Often unhygienic, drunk, bad mannered, ass-holes. Is that getting worse?
MagicSheep74
08-18-24, 18:13
I can't understand how they're getting away with that one, Mr Sheep. BBBJ is pretty well the default in Spain. One doesn't fuck women who don't. It was pretty well the default in Estark a few yeas back. And at 200/ hour now, plus the bloody sheets! I can only presume it's a change in the customers. No one with any experience now goes there.
I wonder if this particular club or just the tourist clubs on the CDS? Extend to other Spanish resorts? The club girls are all on the same circuit & will be working non-tourist venues part of the time. They need to in the off season.
The only other thing I can think of is club customers were always at the bottom end of the desirability table. Why most girls won't work clubs. Often unhygienic, drunk, bad mannered, ass-holes. Is that getting worse?Yes AE, I don't want to make a massive generalization but the class of clientele in Estark is pretty poor. A combination of undesirables and lads on the piss. Add Covid into the equation a few years ago, then there seems to be real difficulty getting a BBBJ. Which for me is a deal breaker. I think I've been in twice in the last 9 months, and I left within 15 minutes and just headed back home stopping into Milady. Even Casa Masa chics have started with the CBJ, otherwise its 50 euro's extra, so stopped frequenting there too.
Probably much like yourself, I have enough regulars that supply good service that I am not overly concerned.
Barcelona and Madrid still rule Europe in my option for casa's and independents. BBBJ galore with a wide variety of nationalities.
MS.
Andalus Expat
08-18-24, 21:39
Yes AE, I don't want to make a massive generalization but the class of clientele in Estark is pretty poor. A combination of undesirables and lads on the piss. Add Covid into the equation a few years ago, then there seems to be real difficulty getting a BBBJ. Which for me is a deal breaker. I think I've been in twice in the last 9 months, and I left within 15 minutes and just headed back home stopping into Milady. Even Casa Masa chics have started with the CBJ, otherwise its 50 euro's extra, so stopped frequenting there too.
Probably much like yourself, I have enough regulars that supply good service that I am not overly concerned.
Barcelona and Madrid still rule Europe in my option for casa's and independents. BBBJ galore with a wide variety of nationalities.MS.It's definitely changed since Covid. There's not as much money going around for a start. And that's not just here. That's all over Europe. The girls I know are making nothing like the money they were in '19. I went for a drink with one last night. August '19 she was clearing 4 k+ a week. That's not just her wishful thinking. Some of her clients were coming from the website I used to run, so I was getting feedback from them. One weekend she had two back to back all nighters at 1200 a go. Other than that she was only offering hours or more. From 10 until midnight last night she got three enquires. All WOTs. When I spoke with her today she'd had a couple of live ones in the early hours. One hour, one half at 6 AM. That's hardly paying the room rent.
So the girls are trying to chisel the money out of what clients they can get. Why 50+ for BBBJ's etc. And 200/ h Estark. Amusingly, one of the scrubbers work those dives off Fuengirola Paseo told me the same money. It was difficult not to laugh. To pork her rather podgy & aged body behind a curtain at the end of the bar? But there will always be mugs. They go off to Holland, France, Germany with high hopes. Return with less money than they left with. Couple of the Brasilians were in Brighton. One of them was back in a fortnight. The bar we were drinking in is owned by an ex-Estark girl. Not long opened. She's obviously seen the light. Make more money pouring cocktails than drinking them. Excellent & reliable place to meet putas. And no, I'm not sharing the location.
But I've also heard the clients are changing. The bread & butter, middle aged well behaved guy slips away from the wife for his bit of nookey, are getting fewer & fewer & longer between visits. And a lot more trying it on'ers. The assholes trying to negotiate a half hour back to 10 minutes for 15 euros.
Like I expect you are Mr Sheep, I'm doing all right. The girls I see do CIM not demand more for BBBJ. But that's down to cultivating them.
Barcelona and Madrid still rule Europe in my option for casa's and independents. BBBJ galore with a wide variety of nationalities.Curiously, not if you read the ISG- Barca board. But I suspect that's because the guys there have got themselves into a loop. They get their punting information from ISG. Same's happened here, hasn't it? Reading this board you'd think only Estark & Scandalos exist. I know dozens of clubs within easy reach of the CDS coast.
Milady is pretty good in general, but expensive. Estark is nothing above a 6/10 and insistence on a CBJ. Don't go back, explore new places.Any current tips for nearby places, you or others? I've read you go to Marbella I think, but I'm too lazy to drive there for just p4p-pussy.
Last time I was at Estark, my sentiments were exactly like yours. Now just back after banging pretty slim 20 year olds for two months in Asia, I'm pretty sure I'll suffer erectile dysfunction with 99% of the women at Estark, plus it's boring to always have to confirm BJ is without condom, especially when it's usually not. I can only ever remember going with one girl there who I'd recommend, and she's long gone.
Tried a few independents too, but like some others here said, too much bait and switch and can't be bothered at the moment, unless somebody will recommend anyone in particular.
Any current tips for nearby places, you or others? I've read you go to Marbella I think, but I'm too lazy to drive there for just p4p-pussy.
Last time I was at Estark, my sentiments were exactly like yours. Now just back after banging pretty slim 20 year olds for two months in Asia, I'm pretty sure I'll suffer erectile dysfunction with 99% of the women at Estark, plus it's boring to always have to confirm BJ is without condom, especially when it's usually not. I can only ever remember going with one girl there who I'd recommend, and she's long gone.
Tried a few independents too, but like some others here said, too much bait and switch and can't be bothered at the moment, unless somebody will recommend anyone in particular.Estark last week was not bad at all, a lot more SA (not my choice) but some great looking ones, the problem is DFK and BBBJ (these are deal breakers for me), as you say many insist on CBJ but there are many who do not (what I saw is that EEs are much more willing to offer it compared to SA, even tho many brazilians in estark do offer BBBJ).
Someone recently told me that there were good options in estepona, sotogrande clubs (I ve never gone there but I know PFI used to post a lot on those clubs, maybe he can say something about the quality there nowadays.
Estark last week was not bad at all, a lot more SA (not my choice) but some great looking ones, the problem is DFK and BBBJ (these are deal breakers for me), as you say many insist on CBJ but there are many who do not (what I saw is that EEs are much more willing to offer it compared to SA, even tho many brazilians in estark do offer BBBJ).
Someone recently told me that there were good options in estepona, sotogrande clubs (I ve never gone there but I know PFI used to post a lot on those clubs, maybe he can say something about the quality there nowadays.When I was going to Spain, I would say that pound for pound and inch for inch, Estark was my favorite joint. Small and not a huge selection, but I could always find 1 or 2 to meet my standards, and that was always enough. And the price was always right. BBBJ, CIM, and anal sex with cuties and even some hotties per my tastes. It was all on the menu for me at Estark at a good price relative to other places around Madrid. No plans to return to Spain at this time, but if I ever do, as long as it's open Estark would be a must-do for me!
MagicSheep74
09-13-24, 10:45
Any current tips for nearby places, you or others? I've read you go to Marbella I think, but I'm too lazy to drive there for just p4p-pussy.
Last time I was at Estark, my sentiments were exactly like yours. Now just back after banging pretty slim 20 year olds for two months in Asia, I'm pretty sure I'll suffer erectile dysfunction with 99% of the women at Estark, plus it's boring to always have to confirm BJ is without condom, especially when it's usually not. I can only ever remember going with one girl there who I'd recommend, and she's long gone.
Tried a few independents too, but like some others here said, too much bait and switch and can't be bothered at the moment, unless somebody will recommend anyone in particular.Sorry for the late response. Yes I live down in Marbella from October to May, then I disappear before the idiots arrive and the weather gets a little hot. I used to go to Scandalo and Estark at least once week, but either I've changed or the quality of the girls has dropped significantly. Visited both places earlier this year, and left within 15 minutes empty handed. Quality of Optics and restriction of services has dropped for sure. Used to occasionally go to Glass Palace. Estepona, but its turned into a total drug den with most of the girls out their minds on gear.
Like yourself Euroescortgirls looks like it has some great options, but I think the majority are bait and switch.
Now when I am down the Costa del Sol, I have a couple of independent regulars, go into Milady Palace for the 30 minute option once a week, and sometimes pop into Casa Masa to see if they have a hot Latin option. Getting lazy after 13 years in the CDS, and MP and Casa Masa are a 10 minute Uber from my house. If I am feeling bored, just jump on the AVE ' train to arrive in Madrid within 3 hrs.
Still a great place to live for half the year, but its seen better days in regards to women. Either that or I am no longer that interested, as I now have the testosterone level of a 12 year old girl, LOL.
Sorry for the late response. Yes I live down in Marbella from October to May, then I disappear before the idiots arrive and the weather gets a little hot. I used to go to Scandalo and Estark at least once week, but either I've changed or the quality of the girls has dropped significantly. Visited both places earlier this year, and left within 15 minutes empty handed. Quality of Optics and restriction of services has dropped for sure. Used to occasionally go to Glass Palace. Estepona, but its turned into a total drug den with most of the girls out their minds on gear.
Like yourself Euroescortgirls looks like it has some great options, but I think the majority are bait and switch.
Now when I am down the Costa del Sol, I have a couple of independent regulars, go into Milady Palace for the 30 minute option once a week, and sometimes pop into Casa Masa to see if they have a hot Latin option. Getting lazy after 13 years in the CDS, and MP and Casa Masa are a 10 minute Uber from my house. If I am feeling bored, just jump on the AVE ' train to arrive in Madrid within 3 hrs.
Still a great place to live for half the year, but its seen better days in regards to women. Either that or I am no longer that interested, as I now have the testosterone level of a 12 year old girl, LOL.Euroescortgirl is actually great, there is no bait and switch, maybe some photoshoped photos but nothing like turning up and finding someone 50 kilos heavier than the one advertised. The thing is always try to use the filter and choose the ones with videos and verified, these ones will actually accept videocalling if you ask them.
But as AE said a few years ago, many of them also advertise on other sites and quote a cheaper rate so be careful not to fall into trap of telling them you saw them on euroescort. I saw three of those advertising on euroescort in NAO during the summer. So it seems that many of them go there.
To be accurate, they're both a fair way from the Torremolinos / Benalmadena border. On the N340, that's half a kilometer the Torremolinos side of the turn-off for Benalmadena Marina. Club Selecta's a minute's walk from El Pinillo RENFE station. If you were driving from Benalmad, take the second exit signed N340 from the roundabout immediately after the Torremolinos gateway & it's a couple of roundabouts up near the Repsol gasolina. You'll see their roof sign on your left as you approach the roundabout. If you'd taken the first exit at the first roundabout you'd be in Avda Carlota Alessandri & Club Cherie's after the next roundabout on your right. Club Cherie's OK but very tourist / victim orientated. Expect to be hustled. Selecta's got far more style & is more laid back. They're both at least a couple kilometres from Benalmad's International Square tourist trap (Plaza Solymar) so don't expect to walk to either unless you need the exercise.
Anyone been to the Gallo de Oro (given up trying to write french on this forum. Fuck knows how they manage on the french boards. Golden Chicken in EN) at Torrequebrada recently. Did it re-open?It was demolished, they are building a lidl there.
When I was going to Spain, I would say that pound for pound and inch for inch, Estark was my favorite joint. Small and not a huge selection, but I could always find 1 or 2 to meet my standards, and that was always enough. And the price was always right. BBBJ, CIM, and anal sex with cuties and even some hotties per my tastes. It was all on the menu for me at Estark at a good price relative to other places around Madrid. No plans to return to Spain at this time, but if I ever do, as long as it's open Estark would be a must-do for me!+1 my friend. Hope you are well. Saw the recent post from MS who considers options in both Estark and Scandalos have declined and have to say I agree wholeheartedly re Scandalos. Other than the 2 Romanian sisters and the stunning Valeria from Brazil the options have become very poor there with a lot of huge SA excess weight options (not for me).
I now live 4 months CDS, 3 months in Thailand, 2. 5 months in Dubai and 2. 5 months in UK. I Visit E92 regularly and at least for me, the options have not declined. They've just changed but what has changed more, for the worse, is the inconsistency of the nights/options per night. See below.
More recently there are far more SA girls (as Qaz rightly reported).
I've never had any issue getting BBBJ there either though I’m not a fan of your other favourites Cane!
Back to the inconsistency - what I mean is that E92 has become far more hit and miss than it used to be though as a club. At one time some years back I'the have 5 or 6 favourites to decide from on every visit. Now, it can occasionally be a "tough" night where the options are slim and its a case of eeking out the best of a bad bunch in a “downbeat” atmosphere/vibe in the club. So in that respect, Magic Sheep is not wrong. On the wrong night and E92 it can be very disappointing. That’s a definite change for the worse. And it's impossible to predict when that will be. I've been Fridays and Saturdays, when you’d expect it to be at its optimum, and its been really quiet and then surprisingly on Sundays and Mondays and its been rammed. No real logic to it.
There have been some reports of rowdy drunken clientele at E92. Not saying it never happens but in my many years of going to E92 I've never seen really bad behaivour. In contrast, I once assisted doorman Ibrahim (Lennox Lewis lookalike and great guy) in a scrap against 3 Russian guys who were drunk in Scandalos. We got them out. As a result Manager Roberto, and Mamasan Gemma now always ensure a complimentary drink on the house for me when I go - but it’s not enough of a temptation given the poor options.
The walk through from casino to Club at E92 reopened some months ago. For me, it's still the best option on the CDS. Scandalos options are now poor, and Mildays is just far too expensive at 350/ hour now. Noted that MS does a 30 min option. I’ve just never been a short time punter. I normally take my time to choose and then do 2 hours. So Miladys doesn’t work for me. I'm afraid I'm also not a Casa Masa fan. I don't like the parada where you have to choose almost immediately. I prefer to be able to walk around and talk to the girls. Hence my preference for E92 and previously for Scandalos. Shame because the options at CM are often good - but its all too hurried for me. Same with most villa options (I’ve tried a few).
Qaz asked about clubs down the end of the coast towards Gib. Here goes:
1. I don't go to what was formerly Oasis then Glass Palace in Estepona. Not because of drugs as MS reports (not seen that), but because the options are atrociously poor for 250/ hour. I've had the odd great experience there over the years but it's just not worth the trip (I'm in La Zagaleta).
2. Before there on N340 is old time tiny club Bel Air (5-6 girls none under 35) and
3. Templo is a high viz club before Glass Palace but is small and usually one 1-3 girls so not really an option.
4. Not been to the old Aladin Club (opposite Hotel Elba beyond Estepona) for years. Was good at one time but again options faded.
5. I've always been a fan of Cleofas, in Campamento near Gib. Tiny club, sure the girls are all far past their best, in 30's or 40's but its just got a great vibe, good fun around the pool table and I've never had a bad time there. Expectations of high levels of girls would mean disappointment there though.
6. The old Fontana has closed. It has moved into what was formerly E95 - Estark Algeciras (more accurately LOS Barrios) but is now still Fontana. Glitzy club with refurb. Options are reasonable, prices are nearing 250/ Scandalos levels. A word of warning re the very unfriendly bouncers though. Almost feels like they are itching for trouble. Some of the former options in Scandalos / E92 have emigrated here.
Overall I would agree that options on CDS are not great compared to previous times. This is the Club Reports thread (which I started a few years ago) so not relevant to compare with non-club options (which I don't partake of other than massage places) due to the inevitable bait and switch. I much prefer to be able to physically see in front of me, exactly what I'm buying before making a choice.
Options in some other locations have also declined though. Thailand is obviously exceptional due to prices being so low. Typing this currently from Ao Nang. But some of the best looking girls (outside of agogos) have moved onto Thai Friendly app. Very annoying again due to high probability of bait and switch so again I won't use it. They charge no less than when they were in the clubs but get guys to foolishly ping them pictures so they can decide if they are up for it! Some of the options in agogos in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, and Phuket blow away any options I've ever seen on the CDS with the exception of my all time fav Melissa in Scandalos. Sadly now retired, married with 2 kids and doing well in her hotel business in Romania.
Dubai is probably the best place on the planet for me for diversity. ST and LT rather than by the hour in Europe and I have met several girls in clubs in Dubai who used to work in Spain (mainly Madrid). So it has it’s “pull”. Pricing in Dubai probably still works out cheaper. A top notch 9 or 10/10 girl will be 2000 AED / 487 euros (circa 2-3 hours) (other than Club Blu where there are Swedish girls who you just dream of beyond 10/10 for 5000 AED - 1200 euros. But LT. All night). There are some very pretty girls who would still be good options anywhere at Ratsky / New York / Jules Bar / Coochini / Red Square for as low as 600 AED (146 euros. For 2 hours!) but the "norm" is "ten reds" = 1000 AED. 243 euros for 2 hours with an attractive Uzbek / Iranian / Viet / Filli / Russian / stani girls. So in comparison, Dubai has much better options, for better prices than CDS. The diverstity is off the scale. I've enjoyed Americans, Israelis, Finnish, Japanese and even Argentinian girls in Dubai. They come for the lifestyle, no tax, wealthy Arab clients who often treat them amazingly for a few days. One of the Swedish girls in Club Blu told me that she models by daytime on yachts in Dubai for a bikini brand, and does 2 nights per week in Club Blu. She is probably earning min 5000 euros per week. Tax free. Not a bad "living".
The World has become smaller. Girls will travel to "better" locations and to places where customers are wealthy and willing to spend. That's Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Singapore, maybe Monaco. In contrast, the CDS has lost its glitz over the years. Puerto Banus was once for the jet set, ferraris, lambos etc. Now it is hen and stag central. Boozy, loud, tacky. It's not where people want to be anymore. The Fuengirola / Benalmadina / Torremolinos "brits in the sun" territory is cramped, a million miles from "classy" and not somewhere most people would want to live or visit. I've even given up staying there when I head to E92. I would rather pay for a driver than for a poor hotel (which have become expensive).
Malaga is a nice city. It's old town is special. They've invested a lot into that harbour and I really like to visit. But as a mongering destination it has terribly declined. Sala Divas was never a good option for me, all too bright, too rectangular. So that doing a walk around is SO visible. Red Square in Dubai is similar in shape but is darker and has far more people / space so its not as noticeable. Which leaves only Scandalos. Which has suffered due to the massive price hikes a few years ago, which attracts "the wrong" crowd (only saying what the girls report), and if you are not a shisha fan its just become unpleasant. Shame as Malaga is so good.
So I think CDS clubs / options are not what they once were. I still find E92 very good on occasions. But as stated, it's very hit and miss.
Cane. Still not got to the Brazilian Scandalos and would dearly love to tick it off the bucket list. Hope to see you returning to CDS and reporting on your exploits.
+1 my friend. Hope you are well. Saw the recent post from MS who considers options in both Estark and Scandalos have declined and have to say I agree wholeheartedly re Scandalos. Other than the 2 Romanian sisters and the stunning Valeria from Brazil the options have become very poor there with a lot of huge SA excess weight options (not for me).
I now live 4 months CDS, 3 months in Thailand, 2. 5 months in Dubai and 2. 5 months in UK. I Visit E92 regularly and at least for me, the options have not declined. They've just changed but what has changed more, for the worse, is the inconsistency of the nights/options per night. See below. More recently there are far more SA girls (as Qaz rightly reported).
Overall I would agree that options on CDS are not great compared to previous times. This is the Club Reports thread (which I started a few years ago) so not relevant to compare with non-club options (which I don't partake of other than massage places) due to the inevitable bait and switch. I much prefer to be able to physically see in front of me, exactly what I'm buying before making a choice.
Options in some other locations have also declined though. Thailand is obviously exceptional due to prices being so low. Typing this currently from Ao Nang. But some of the best looking girls (outside of agogos) have moved onto Thai Friendly app. Very annoying again due to high probability of bait and switch so again I won't use it. They charge no less than when they were in the clubs but get guys to foolishly ping them pictures so they can decide if they are up for it! Some of the options in agogos in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, and Phuket blow away any options I've ever seen on the CDS with the exception of my all time fav Melissa in Scandalos. Sadly now retired, married with 2 kids and doing well in her hotel business in Romania.
Dubai is probably the best place on the planet for me for diversity. ST and LT rather than by the hour in Europe and I have met several girls in clubs in Dubai who used to work in Spain (mainly Madrid). So it has its pull. Pricing in Dubai probably still works out cheaper. A top notch 9 or 10/10 girl will be 2000 AED / 487 euros (circa 2-3 hours) (other than Club Blu where there are Swedish girls who you just dream of beyond 10/10 for 5000 AED - 1200 euros. But LT. All night). There are some very pretty girls who would still be good options anywhere at Ratsky / New York / Jules Bar / Coochini / Red Square for as low as 600 AED (146 euros. For 2 hours!) but the "norm" is "ten reds" = 1000 AED. 243 euros for 2 hours with an attractive Uzbek / Iranian / Viet / Filli / Russian / stani girls. So in comparison, Dubai has much better options, for better prices than CDS. The diverstity is off the scale. I've enjoyed Americans, Israelis, Finnish, Japanese and even Argentinian girls in Dubai. They come for the lifestyle, no tax, wealthy Arab clients who often treat them amazingly for a few days. One of the Swedish girls in Club Blu told me that she models by daytime on yachts in Dubai for a bikini brand, and does 2 nights per week in Club Blu. She is probably earning min 5000 euros per week. Tax free. Not a bad "living".
Cane. Still not got to the Brazilian Scandalos and would dearly love to tick it off the bucket list. Hope to see you returning to CDS and reporting on your exploits.It's so great to see you back and posting my friend! What a great rundown on what's going on around the globe within the "hobby" too. Your reports have been greatly missed! And it's good to see you out there and enjoying this world! Unfortunately, I have no plans to return to the CDS, and your post has not helped to change my mind on that. I had no plans to return to Dubai either, but if you're telling us there are a lot of Swedish girls working there now, then I may have to rethink that! My God how I love me some "blondinkas"! I'm glad to see that gorgeous Melissa is doing well in her post-hobby life. We both knew she was the hottest thing working at Scandalo Malaga at the time, and were both fortunate to have been pleasured by her. And you know what I say about Scandallo Sao Paulo. It's the baddest puta palace on the planet! You got to go man. Got to!
PFI, please clear your mailbox. Thanks!
+1 my friend. Hope you are well. Saw the recent post from MS who considers options in both Estark and Scandalos have declined and have to say I agree wholeheartedly re Scandalos. Other than the 2 Romanian sisters and the stunning Valeria from Brazil the options have become very poor there with a lot of huge SA excess weight options (not for me).
I now live 4 months CDS, 3 months in Thailand, 2. 5 months in Dubai and 2. 5 months in UK. I Visit E92 regularly and at least for me, the options have not declined. They've just changed but what has changed more, for the worse, is the inconsistency of the nights/options per night. See below.
More recently there are far more SA girls (as Qaz rightly reported).
I've never had any issue getting BBBJ there either though Im not a fan of your other favourites Cane!
Back to the inconsistency - what I mean is that E92 has become far more hit and miss than it used to be though as a club. At one time some years back I'the have 5 or 6 favourites to decide from on every visit. Now, it can occasionally be a "tough" night where the options are slim and its a case of eeking out the best of a bad bunch in a downbeat atmosphere/vibe in the club. So in that respect, Magic Sheep is not wrong. On the wrong night and E92 it can be very disappointing. Thats a definite change for the worse. And it's impossible to predict when that will be. I've been Fridays and Saturdays, when youd expect it to be at its optimum, and its been really quiet and then surprisingly on Sundays and Mondays and its been rammed. No real logic to it.
There have been some reports of rowdy drunken clientele at E92. Not saying it never happens but in my many years of going to E92 I've never seen really bad behaivour. In contrast, I once assisted doorman Ibrahim (Lennox Lewis lookalike and great guy) in a scrap against 3 Russian guys who were drunk in Scandalos. We got them out. As a result Manager Roberto, and Mamasan Gemma now always ensure a complimentary drink on the house for me when I go - but its not enough of a temptation given the poor options.
The walk through from casino to Club at E92 reopened some months ago. For me, it's still the best option on the CDS. Scandalos options are now poor, and Mildays is just far too expensive at 350/ hour now. Noted that MS does a 30 min option. Ive just never been a short time punter. I normally take my time to choose and then do 2 hours. So Miladys doesnt work for me. I'm afraid I'm also not a Casa Masa fan. I don't like the parada where you have to choose almost immediately. I prefer to be able to walk around and talk to the girls. Hence my preference for E92 and previously for Scandalos. Shame because the options at CM are often good - but its all too hurried for me. Same with most villa options (Ive tried a few).
Qaz asked about clubs down the end of the coast towards Gib. Here goes:
1. I don't go to what was formerly Oasis then Glass Palace in Estepona. Not because of drugs as MS reports (not seen that), but because the options are atrociously poor for 250/ hour. I've had the odd great experience there over the years but it's just not worth the trip (I'm in La Zagaleta).
2. Before there on N340 is old time tiny club Bel Air (5-6 girls none under 35) and
3. Templo is a high viz club before Glass Palace but is small and usually one 1-3 girls so not really an option.
4. Not been to the old Aladin Club (opposite Hotel Elba beyond Estepona) for years. Was good at one time but again options faded.
5. I've always been a fan of Cleofas, in Campamento near Gib. Tiny club, sure the girls are all far past their best, in 30's or 40's but its just got a great vibe, good fun around the pool table and I've never had a bad time there. Expectations of high levels of girls would mean disappointment there though.
6. The old Fontana has closed. It has moved into what was formerly E95 - Estark Algeciras (more accurately LOS Barrios) but is now still Fontana. Glitzy club with refurb. Options are reasonable, prices are nearing 250/ Scandalos levels. A word of warning re the very unfriendly bouncers though. Almost feels like they are itching for trouble. Some of the former options in Scandalos / E92 have emigrated here.
Overall I would agree that options on CDS are not great compared to previous times. This is the Club Reports thread (which I started a few years ago) so not relevant to compare with non-club options (which I don't partake of other than massage places) due to the inevitable bait and switch. I much prefer to be able to physically see in front of me, exactly what I'm buying before making a choice.
Options in some other locations have also declined though. Thailand is obviously exceptional due to prices being so low. Typing this currently from Ao Nang. But some of the best looking girls (outside of agogos) have moved onto Thai Friendly app. Very annoying again due to high probability of bait and switch so again I won't use it. They charge no less than when they were in the clubs but get guys to foolishly ping them pictures so they can decide if they are up for it! Some of the options in agogos in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, and Phuket blow away any options I've ever seen on the CDS with the exception of my all time fav Melissa in Scandalos. Sadly now retired, married with 2 kids and doing well in her hotel business in Romania.
Dubai is probably the best place on the planet for me for diversity. ST and LT rather than by the hour in Europe and I have met several girls in clubs in Dubai who used to work in Spain (mainly Madrid). So it has its pull. Pricing in Dubai probably still works out cheaper. A top notch 9 or 10/10 girl will be 2000 AED / 487 euros (circa 2-3 hours) (other than Club Blu where there are Swedish girls who you just dream of beyond 10/10 for 5000 AED - 1200 euros. But LT. All night). There are some very pretty girls who would still be good options anywhere at Ratsky / New York / Jules Bar / Coochini / Red Square for as low as 600 AED (146 euros. For 2 hours!) but the "norm" is "ten reds" = 1000 AED. 243 euros for 2 hours with an attractive Uzbek / Iranian / Viet / Filli / Russian / stani girls. So in comparison, Dubai has much better options, for better prices than CDS. The diverstity is off the scale. I've enjoyed Americans, Israelis, Finnish, Japanese and even Argentinian girls in Dubai. They come for the lifestyle, no tax, wealthy Arab clients who often treat them amazingly for a few days. One of the Swedish girls in Club Blu told me that she models by daytime on yachts in Dubai for a bikini brand, and does 2 nights per week in Club Blu. She is probably earning min 5000 euros per week. Tax free. Not a bad "living".
The World has become smaller. Girls will travel to "better" locations and to places where customers are wealthy and willing to spend. That's Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Singapore, maybe Monaco. In contrast, the CDS has lost its glitz over the years. Puerto Banus was once for the jet set, ferraris, lambos etc. Now it is hen and stag central. Boozy, loud, tacky. It's not where people want to be anymore. The Fuengirola / Benalmadina / Torremolinos "brits in the sun" territory is cramped, a million miles from "classy" and not somewhere most people would want to live or visit. I've even given up staying there when I head to E92. I would rather pay for a driver than for a poor hotel (which have become expensive).
Malaga is a nice city. It's old town is special. They've invested a lot into that harbour and I really like to visit. But as a mongering destination it has terribly declined. Sala Divas was never a good option for me, all too bright, too rectangular. So that doing a walk around is SO visible. Red Square in Dubai is similar in shape but is darker and has far more people / space so its not as noticeable. Which leaves only Scandalos. Which has suffered due to the massive price hikes a few years ago, which attracts "the wrong" crowd (only saying what the girls report), and if you are not a shisha fan its just become unpleasant. Shame as Malaga is so good.
So I think CDS clubs / options are not what they once were. I still find E92 very good on occasions. But as stated, it's very hit and miss.
Cane. Still not got to the Brazilian Scandalos and would dearly love to tick it off the bucket list. Hope to see you returning to CDS and reporting on your exploits.Great report and lots of useful info.
What you say about estark is just right, in fact I am starting to think that it is better to go on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, there are usually more girls on Fridays and Saturdays but quality is worse (actually it is more SA with big fat asses that some locals and etc prefer), there are some 8's ATM in estark but it is not easy to get to them as they come down quite late. In regards to BBBJ and DFK, I think it is a bit harder to get it (seems like the girls have had a deal between themselves not to offer everything) these two for me are deal breakers so if one of them refuses I go and ask another one (my experience is that EE are more willing to offer it than SA, however a few weeks ago there was a great brazilian girl in estark who offered it, she was great, told me she had moved from chelsea in london and wanted to go to miladys, not sure if she is still at estark).
Casa masa quality is very good, but of course it is not like clubs, you have to choose and get down to business quickly, however if you want to chill and enjoy your time you can spend a fortune and rent one of their rooms for 1 day.
Great info on the options west of marbella, I think fontana is worth a visit one night.
Thailand is great as it is very cheap and quite fun, but the problem I have with thailand, especially pattaya (walking street, soi 6) is hygiene, in the last few years you see lots of men from poor asian countries where hygiene is nonexistent in thailand looking to get laid, that puts me off because you are actually sharing the same pool of girls with them. Maybe there are some nice places in thailand that I don't know about as I have been there only twice.
Dubai is the top destination ATM (as you say, but maybe madrid is still the best) but you don't want to get into trouble there, so for me the risk is just too much as you never know what could go wrong in those countries, but I tell you one thing, I actually know about 5,6 girls who live in marbella for 6 months from April to Oct., and the rest in dubai, I got to know them in Nao pool club, they are very top obviously, but their asking price is higher in marbella than what it is in duabi, so if someone really wants top end girls, they must head to Nao, olivia and puente romano, you will def find them.
Hi gents,
So during the last few weeks I hit up estark twice and scandalo once, so my findings as follows.
Estark: went there on a tuesdays night, there were about 40 working and 7, 8 guys at round 23:30 , quality was not great but there were about 7 I would rate 7,8 , so not too bad, price is still 100/30 min and 10 for sheet.
Scanalo: went there on a Thursday, about 30,40 girls, about 20 guys quality was better, maybe much better that estark not because there were 20 7 or 8's but because there were about 5 or 6 I would rate 7,8 and 2 or 3 I would rate 9 . But these were busy all the time around some strange geezers.
Estark: this time it was Saturday night at 22:00 , again about 40 girls, maybe quality a bit worse than Tuesday night (I know weird, maybe I was too early or its just that dead nights are better) about 15 guys, this time there were 5 I would rate 6 or 7 , didn't see any 8's or 9's.
Hi gents,
So during the last few weeks I hit up estark twice and scandalo once, so my findings as follows.
Estark: went there on a tuesdays night, there were about 40 working and 7, 8 guys at round 23:30 , quality was not great but there were about 7 I would rate 7,8 , so not too bad, price is still 100/30 min and 10 for sheet.
Scanalo: went there on a Thursday, about 30,40 girls, about 20 guys quality was better, maybe much better that estark not because there were 20 7 or 8's but because there were about 5 or 6 I would rate 7,8 and 2 or 3 I would rate 9 . But these were busy all the time around some strange geezers.
Estark: this time it was Saturday night at 22:00 , again about 40 girls, maybe quality a bit worse than Tuesday night (I know weird, maybe I was too early or its just that dead nights are better) about 15 guys, this time there were 5 I would rate 6 or 7 , didn't see any 8's or 9's.Interesting. I was in E92 for two nights a few weeks ago and a number of the old favourites were still in there including Stephanie / Olympia / Veronica / Bianca / Camilla. But like you, revisited a few nights later on a Saturday and dreadful until nearly midnight when a lot of girls came down. Don't know why they leave it so late. Might give Scandalos another outing on your report.
Interesting. I was in E92 for two nights a few weeks ago and a number of the old favourites were still in there including Stephanie / Olympia / Veronica / Bianca / Camilla. But like you, revisited a few nights later on a Saturday and dreadful until nearly midnight when a lot of girls came down. Don't know why they leave it so late. Might give Scandalos another outing on your report.Yes, exactly PFI, my guess is that on Saturdays most of the good looking ones head downstairs pretty late (too late for me as I don't like to go there at midnight, usually go at round 22.00 and prefer to be their first customer) the reason I think is that most people are out dinning and drinking till late during weekends and head there late at night so it makes sense for them, but during week days they tend to come down early as people want to be home early.
I still haven't seen / found olympia and camilla, really want to try specially Olympia as you recommended.
Try scandalo and let us know please. The night I went it was pretty decent but again DFK and BBBJ a bit of problem.
I like this one for quality and closeness to Marbella / Banus, despite it being expensive. Visited 3 times in the space of last two years. Usually a really good selection, mostly Latinas, sometimes Romanians. Each time I go there is at least 3-4 girls that I like.
I usually go around 11 pm and it is still kinda slow at that time, however many girls are already there waiting. As for the pricing. It's 350/ HR. There is an option for 30 minutes but I never tried it. Drinks for the ladies are 50.
Like I said, quality in terms of looks is very good. However, I advise to always negotiate BBBJ before going to the room. Not all the girls would do it, but those who would won't charge you extra for some reason.
I like this one for quality and closeness to Marbella / Banus, despite it being expensive. Visited 3 times in the space of last two years. Usually a really good selection, mostly Latinas, sometimes Romanians. Each time I go there is at least 3-4 girls that I like.
I usually go around 11 pm and it is still kinda slow at that time, however many girls are already there waiting. As for the pricing. It's 350/ HR. There is an option for 30 minutes but I never tried it. Drinks for the ladies are 50.
Like I said, quality in terms of looks is very good. However, I advise to always negotiate BBBJ before going to the room. Not all the girls would do it, but those who would won't charge you extra for some reason.Yes, Miladys is obviously the nicest club on the coast and quality is usually very good, but high prices, and the service is not always great. The 30 min option is not really available as it is not worth it because they ask for something like 250 , and not all girls are willing to offer it.
Andalus Expat
11-18-24, 16:14
Milady's isn't a club. It's a villa. The girls work for the house on % & are not independents like Estark or Scandalos. So whether or not they do pump & dumps is the house's decision not theirs.
Milady's isn't a club. It's a villa. The girls work for the house on % & are not independents like Estark or Scandalos. So whether or not they do pump & dumps is the house's decision not theirs.Yes, but even tho it works as a villa in that sense, but its got big signs out there, gate always open with lights etc so it kinda feels like a club.
Yes, but even tho it works as a villa in that sense, but its got big signs out there, gate always open with lights etc so it kinda feels like a club.In addition to which, in common with all the other clubs on the coast, punter enters, is not required to select a girl almost immediately from a parade (as is the case is several villas), can mingle, buy several drinks, listen to music, chill with friends even without speaking to the girls if the guy pleases, before making a selection of choice having seen what is on offer face to face and with a significantly larger number than is ever on offer at any villa. I've been in Miladys on nights when there have been 70 girls. Those days are long gone (as sadly is the use of the baby grand piano on the right).
In the minds of nearly all punters who have ever been there: it's a club. It looks like one, operates like one (to the punter) and for many years was considered to be "the best club". It's own Instagram page describes it a "Miladys Palace Dance and night CLUB". Its own TikTok describes it as a club. Tripadvisor lists it in Marbella night clubs.
For me at least, if it looks like a club, acts like a club, those who frequent it think it is a club, and to cap it off it even calls itself a club, then guess what? Its a club!
MagicSheep74
11-20-24, 09:14
In addition to which, in common with all the other clubs on the coast, punter enters, is not required to select a girl almost immediately from a parade (as is the case is several villas), can mingle, buy several drinks, listen to music, chill with friends even without speaking to the girls if the guy pleases, before making a selection of choice having seen what is on offer face to face and with a significantly larger number than is ever on offer at any villa. I've been in Miladys on nights when there have been 70 girls. Those days are long gone (as sadly is the use of the baby grand piano on the right).
In the minds of nearly all punters who have ever been there: it's a club. It looks like one, operates like one (to the punter) and for many years was considered to be "the best club". It's own Instagram page describes it a "Miladys Palace Dance and night CLUB". Its own TikTok describes it as a club. Tripadvisor lists it in Marbella night clubs.
For me at least, if it looks like a club, acts like a club, those who frequent it think it is a club, and to cap it off it even calls itself a club, then guess what? Its a club!I honestly thought it was a pharmacy, that will explain why I keep on getting thrown out for asking for paracetamol!
Milady Palace. Prices 350/60, girl keeps 250.
200/30 girl keeps 150.
Drinks 50, girls keeps 30.
All girls that are allowed to work there have present their full STD results every 4 weeks to management.
Found a new villa that has opened in Nueva Andalucia. Calle Alcala 15 D, Villa 12 E. They claim to have 15 girls present at any one time, and is 150 Euros' per hour.
Casa Masa has moved location again. They are now located at. See. Benaojan 109. They currently have 20 girls working.
I will try all 3 in the next 2 weeks, and report back. Might even drag myself along to Scandalo for a peek. Although not hopeful, as I am not a fan of giant Latina's with the ass of a hippopotamus.
Stay safe, MS.
Andalus Expat
11-20-24, 13:33
Yes, but even tho it works as a villa in that sense, but its got big signs out there, gate always open with lights etc so it kinda feels like a club.It's an important distinction to understand if you're going there. Who you are dealing with The girls in clubs like Scandalos or Estark are independents paying to work there. The club is a service provided to the girls. Any girl can work there provided it has capacity. They just contact the club & book. You're dealing with the girl, not the club. In the case of Milady's, the girls actually work for the house. Milady's is highly selective on who they employ. The girls have to go for an audition & they have a considerable rejection rate. I know girls who've been both accepted & rejected. So, like any villa, you're dealing with Milady's not the girl. It's Milady's providing the service & who you're paying. You'd notice the difference with outcalls. Don't know about Scandalos, never go there, but there's girls at Estark advertise outcalls on the sites. They get one, they go off & cover it. It's their client. Nothing to do with the club. What they do when they're there, whether they work or not is their decision. With Milady's you arrange an outcall with the house. A girl leaving the house during a shift to service a client without the house's participation would be sacked. In fact, if Milady's found out a girl & had been servicing one of Milady's clients during her off shift time, she'd likely be sacked as well.
And something you probably don't understand about your pump & dump half hours. For you, the difference is the time spent with the girl in the room. It looks entirely different for the girl (or for a villa). The whole of any shift is work. After any trick, the girl has to shower & repair hair & makeup etc, get back to the floor to line up & groom the next victim. Even on a busy night, that can be half an hour. On a sparse night longer. And it's going to be the same whether it's a half hour trick, or an hour, or longer. Tricks get progressively more profitable the longer they last. So now maybe you'll understand why the girls don't much like the half hour gilipollas & are reluctant on the services like BBJ's, DFK's etc. They're preventing them from finding the better clients & more money. Why places like Milady's do deterrent pricing or just don't offer half hours at busy periods?
MagicSheep74
11-25-24, 23:54
Milady Palace. It has closed down, and nobody knows if it will open again.
Found a new villa that has opened in Nueva Andalucia. Calle Alcala 15 the, Villa 12 E. - Tried it once, never again. Total tourist trap, girls unattractive. Avoid at all costs.
Casa Masa has moved location again. They are now located at. See. Benaojan 109. Tried the new casa masa, nice looking place, but again did not see one attractive girl.
Look like I will have to venture to 92 or Scandalo once again. Not exited about that prospect, but this dicks not going to suck itself.
Milady Palace. It has closed down, and nobody knows if it will open again.
Found a new villa that has opened in Nueva Andalucia. Calle Alcala 15 the, Villa 12 E. - Tried it once, never again. Total tourist trap, girls unattractive. Avoid at all costs.
Casa Masa has moved location again. They are now located at. See. Benaojan 109. Tried the new casa masa, nice looking place, but again did not see one attractive girl.
Look like I will have to venture to 92 or Scandalo once again. Not exited about that prospect, but this dicks not going to suck itself.Sad to hear of the end of Miladys but not totally shocked. Truth is that the CDS has deteroriated both for mongering and more generally in the last few years. Gone are the glory days of Marbella (long ago) and even Puerto Banus of 15 years ago with the fabulous Navy Bar as it then was. The "Brits in the Sun" fish and chip brigade of Torremolinos and Fuengirola are now matched in Banus numbers by dubious characters, gangsters or just every stag and hen party in town. Its seedy, rowdy, dirty and feels tired. The old days of the charm of the live piano bars then capping the night off with a trip to Miladys or even the old Oasis Club in Estepona (now Glass Palace) or even Cleopatras in Nueva Andalucia have gone. Scandalos has been infested with fat ass latinas so the only viable option on the coast (for those of us who hate the major risk of bait and switch of escorts who know they just wouldn't get selected in clubs in person so resort to online) is E92 and now the new Fontana (old E95). As previously reported, whilst there are still some reasonable options neither have the Ina's, Mellissas, or Julias of back in the day. All solid 9/10's save for the incredible 10/10 Melissa.
It's just not where its at now. Be it the changeable weather (floods in Malaga?), horrendous traffic on the A7, or just simply much better options elsewhere, the CDS has been on the skids for quite some time. Of course construction continues to boom at pace but once upon a time it was golfers paradise (and for the ladies a decent supply of victims) now its wealthy families from Russia, Scandanavia and new wealth (Koreans) and their families. And this is why the girls in all of the clubs complain about the lack of clients, lack of money, etc. The Spanish economic mentality is to put prices up to cover shortfalls rather than reduce to attract more custom. It has killed it off.
We've seen very singificant hikes in prices of drinks and time in the room in recent years. Pre covid E92 price was 150/e in the room for one hour and 20 /e ladydrinks. I would regularly do a deal with 2 girls - (maybe 8/10's) 250 each for 2 hours and up to 4 drinks in the 2 hours as well as the one in the bar first. I was never once refused. 600 total for a real party for 2 hours. Not cheap but a great night out. Now, that same 2 hours and 5 drinks would be total 1000 euros. X2 girls x2 hours at 200 e now (800) plus x5 40 e drinks. Crazy prices. Now I struggle to find x8/10's in E92 or Scandalos. Sure there are still some viable options but I'm not mad keen on taking 2 girls any longer for these silly prices.
For very similar money in Dubai I can go to Club Blu and take out a nailed on 10/10 Swedish model who is absolutely stunning for the entire night! Or head to Jules, Ratskys or York and take x2 solid 9/10s for maybe total 800 euros for 3 hours.
For context here, the same 1000 euros above in E92 now for a “party” in Spain, I could go to Soi 6 in Pattaya Thailand and wait for this….that money equates to me taking EIGHTEEN young girls to a room. All 9/10 bodies, slim, fit, great service. I'm getting too old for 2 girls let alone that sort of party! Sure I know Thailand is cheap (though even that’s increased in prices but only to about 30-40 euros for a couple of hours per lady).
But it is a good example of how European mongering has sadly become economically dire.
When you make the comparisons, especially with Dubai, CDS is just a very poor option. I am in Dubai now for between 2-3 months a year near Dubai Marina. The weather is guarnteed, the restaurants amazing and shopping / activities / entertainment are forever increasing and with prices for every budget. There are at least 10 decent places for mongers to choose from (more likely hundreds if the "spas" are included) with diversity of nationalities and frequently nights where you see 9/10's and the odd 10/10 and overall at substantially lower prices than the "curvy" girls in Scandalos where if you ain't careful you may get ripped for another 30 e for blankets for the room! There is just no comparison. You can stay in 5 star luxury for about the same price as some fleapit in the middle of Fuengirola (to go to E92) or Malaga Nostrum for Scandalos.
I’m truly sad to see this demise but its how life goes. Old favourites fade and are replaced by new shiny exciting options elsewhere. I've no doubt that Dubai will have its period, decline, and the best girls will move on again to wherever has become "the vibe" (silly phrase). But one thing for sure. Those glory days on the CDS have long gone.
What a shame. Great memories but with only a few exceptions, that's all the CDS has to offer now.
Sad to hear of the end of Miladys but not totally shocked. Truth is that the CDS has deteroriated both for mongering and more generally in the last few years. Gone are the glory days of Marbella (long ago) and even Puerto Banus of 15 years ago with the fabulous Navy Bar as it then was. The "Brits in the Sun" fish and chip brigade of Torremolinos and Fuengirola are now matched in Banus numbers by dubious characters, gangsters or just every stag and hen party in town. Its seedy, rowdy, dirty and feels tired. The old days of the charm of the live piano bars then capping the night off with a trip to Miladys or even the old Oasis Club in Estepona (now Glass Palace) or even Cleopatras in Nueva Andalucia have gone. Scandalos has been infested with fat ass latinas so the only viable option on the coast (for those of us who hate the major risk of bait and switch of escorts who know they just wouldn't get selected in clubs in person so resort to online) is E92 and now the new Fontana (old E95). As previously reported, whilst there are still some reasonable options neither have the Ina's, Mellissas, or Julias of back in the day. All solid 9/10's save for the incredible 10/10 Melissa.
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What a shame. Great memories but with only a few exceptions, that's all the CDS has to offer now.Maybe check out seeking next time you're here? It's not my cup of tea I've decided, without even trying, but I did have a look around before deleting my account. While not a lot of girls here, there were some who at least based on the photos looked pretty good.
Looking forward to MS's report from Estark. Even though I live here permanently, and only a 10 m drive from estark92, I've not even bothered to drop by for almost a year now I think, and that's because the 3-4 last times I went there I did not see anyone attractive. Old, fat, ugly, or all three combined. Always having to verify in advance that BJ is without condom is boring too.
Both Madrid and Barcelona seem to have several decent alternatives based on reports posted in those forums, so perhaps go there instead if practical.
I'm following the spanish forum too, lumismalaga.com. Occasionally someone good is mentioned there, but it's pretty dry there too if what you like is young and fit.
Maybe check out seeking next time you're here? It's not my cup of tea I've decided, without even trying, but I did have a look around before deleting my account. While not a lot of girls here, there were some who at least based on the photos looked pretty good.
I'm following the spanish forum too, lumismalaga.com. Occasionally someone good is mentioned there, but it's pretty dry there too if what you like is young and fit.I would never again in my life oragnise a session with any girl I have not met personally. I'm afraid the bait and switch industry is rife and thriving. I don't mind going into one of the tantra massage places and selecting there. If no good options I leave. But taking the trouble to rake through photoshopped pics on websites only to prepare for the meet / get excited about the prospect only to find that the girl who greets you is 10 years older than described, fatter than described, nowhere near as pretty as her filtered face, is just absolutely not for me. Not when worldwide there are just so many other good amazing face to face options. Last time I was in Madrid I did Vive (again) Factory Air (surprised it is still open) and Pigmallion. Whilst I liked the food in Pigmallion the line up was dire for some incredible prices. Vive is always good but had a couple of disappointments there too.
I'll be back to CDS early next year and will again venture to Fontana, Cleofas and Scandalos before hitting E92. I can rrattle off 7 or 8 girls I always have a good time with at E92 and who I don't have to do the laborious (as you correctly say) BBBJ interview as I have been with this small crop so many times they are fine with it. But the new talent in E92 is few and far between and it has become hit and miss. Fridays and Saturdays can be quiet and Mondays and Wednesdays busy!
I'm increasingly using CDS as "time off" the hobby and making sure I fill my boots instead when in Thailand, Dubai, Cambodia, Fili and even the UK as well as my regular pilgrimages to FKK land (though that too has become very expensive albeit there is always a large pool of fit, pretty, young, slim optifuks so worth it for the eye candy, being surrounded by 100 naked ladies etc.
I remember this happening to KL (Kuala Lumpur) - it lost its two best clubs in quick succession and rapidly fell off the sex travel destination list. I think Spain is heading in that direction.
Sad to hear of the end of Miladys but not totally shocked. Truth is that the CDS has deteroriated both for mongering and more generally in the last few years. Gone are the glory days of Marbella (long ago) and even Puerto Banus of 15 years ago with the fabulous Navy Bar as it then was. The "Brits in the Sun" fish and chip brigade of Torremolinos and Fuengirola are now matched in Banus numbers by dubious characters, gangsters or just every stag and hen party in town. Its seedy, rowdy, dirty and feels tired. The old days of the charm of the live piano bars then capping the night off with a trip to Miladys or even the old Oasis Club in Estepona (now Glass Palace) or even Cleopatras in Nueva Andalucia have gone. Scandalos has been infested with fat ass latinas so the only viable option on the coast (for those of us who hate the major risk of bait and switch of escorts who know they just wouldn't get selected in clubs in person so resort to online) is E92 and now the new Fontana (old E95). As previously reported, whilst there are still some reasonable options neither have the Ina's, Mellissas, or Julias of back in the day. All solid 9/10's save for the incredible 10/10 Melissa.
It's just not where its at now. Be it the changeable weather (floods in Malaga?), horrendous traffic on the A7, or just simply much better options elsewhere, the CDS has been on the skids for quite some time. Of course construction continues to boom at pace but once upon a time it was golfers paradise (and for the ladies a decent supply of victims) now its wealthy families from Russia, Scandanavia and new wealth (Koreans) and their families. And this is why the girls in all of the clubs complain about the lack of clients, lack of money, etc. The Spanish economic mentality is to put prices up to cover shortfalls rather than reduce to attract more custom. It has killed it off.
We've seen very singificant hikes in prices of drinks and time in the room in recent years. Pre covid E92 price was 150/e in the room for one hour and 20 /e ladydrinks. I would regularly do a deal with 2 girls - (maybe 8/10's) 250 each for 2 hours and up to 4 drinks in the 2 hours as well as the one in the bar first. I was never once refused. 600 total for a real party for 2 hours. Not cheap but a great night out. Now, that same 2 hours and 5 drinks would be total 1000 euros. X2 girls x2 hours at 200 e now (800) plus x5 40 e drinks. Crazy prices. Now I struggle to find x8/10's in E92 or Scandalos. Sure there are still some viable options but I'm not mad keen on taking 2 girls any longer for these silly prices.
For very similar money in Dubai I can go to Club Blu and take out a nailed on 10/10 Swedish model who is absolutely stunning for the entire night! Or head to Jules, Ratskys or York and take x2 solid 9/10s for maybe total 800 euros for 3 hours.
For context here, the same 1000 euros above in E92 now for a party in Spain, I could go to Soi 6 in Pattaya Thailand and wait for this.that money equates to me taking EIGHTEEN young girls to a room. All 9/10 bodies, slim, fit, great service. I'm getting too old for 2 girls let alone that sort of party! Sure I know Thailand is cheap (though even thats increased in prices but only to about 30-40 euros for a couple of hours per lady).
But it is a good example of how European mongering has sadly become economically dire.
When you make the comparisons, especially with Dubai, CDS is just a very poor option. I am in Dubai now for between 2-3 months a year near Dubai Marina. The weather is guarnteed, the restaurants amazing and shopping / activities / entertainment are forever increasing and with prices for every budget. There are at least 10 decent places for mongers to choose from (more likely hundreds if the "spas" are included) with diversity of nationalities and frequently nights where you see 9/10's and the odd 10/10 and overall at substantially lower prices than the "curvy" girls in Scandalos where if you ain't careful you may get ripped for another 30 e for blankets for the room! There is just no comparison. You can stay in 5 star luxury for about the same price as some fleapit in the middle of Fuengirola (to go to E92) or Malaga Nostrum for Scandalos.
Im truly sad to see this demise but its how life goes. Old favourites fade and are replaced by new shiny exciting options elsewhere. I've no doubt that Dubai will have its period, decline, and the best girls will move on again to wherever has become "the vibe" (silly phrase). But one thing for sure. Those glory days on the CDS have long gone.
What a shame. Great memories but with only a few exceptions, that's all the CDS has to offer now.I cut the cord on the CDS several years ago. Even well before you PFI. You could just see it coming. The lack of value there for your money with the girls and clubs wanting to charge more and more without delivering more or better. I gave up on the CDS many years ago and have read nothing encouraging me to to go back. Well, happy holidays!
Went there a few nights ago, on Friday night, there were about 30,40 girls at 12.00 am, the quality was very good, about 15 ID rate above 6. 5 , there were from the SA, and also quite a few EE, very good ones, well worth a visit, not sure if it stays like that.
Hyperactive
01-02-25, 22:59
Again, many thanks for all the suggestions & tips, especially to Qazwsx5 (I owe you a drink, feel free to get in touch in case you are around). As promised, here are my two pennies' worth on the scene in Marbella and the surrounding area:
Clubs:
Estark: 30-40 girls around on the we, quite the range from 0-8, two cuties (booked one of them), but also semi- or retirement age and 2 totally plastered ladies.
Casa Masa: amazing place, will visit again. Had a wonderful hour with a Venezuelan going by the name of Casey, for me the top spot here, the gorgeous one where all booked, but you just have to keep your eyes open, spot the right one in between her gigs and then inform the reception guy.
Miladys: Seems closed, however, when I drove to Momento New Years, they seemed to be open. Would love to try that place.
Bars:
La Sala: hit and miss, nothing to write home about, but I am sure you can get lucky there with a bit of patience.
La Habana: good bar, most of the women in there are pros, definitely a good spot, bit of patience needed here as well.
Mosh: First and foremost, try the sushi there – that stuff would be flying off the shelves / counters even in Japan. Couldn't spot any WGs a few very, very good looking ones on the dance floor, but I think they were hired dancers (posed for a photographer, moved when advised by staff, not engaging with men etc.).
La Suite: closed for the winter.
Momento: closed for most of the winter, open on special days like NYEs. Not my cup of tea, too dark, too loud etc. (You might be in for a massive surprise when the light finally dawns.).
Olivia: closed, there is a building site now.
The bar scene is hence rather limited; should there be fallback bars for WG, I'd appreciate recommendations! Cheers.
Degenerate24
01-05-25, 08:22
Again, many thanks for all the suggestions & tips, especially to Qazwsx5 (I owe you a drink, feel free to get in touch in case you are around). As promised, here are my two pennies' worth on the scene in Marbella and the surrounding area:
Clubs:
Estark: 30-40 girls around on the we, quite the range from 0-8, two cuties (booked one of them), but also semi- or retirement age and 2 totally plastered ladies.
Casa Masa: amazing place, will visit again. Had a wonderful hour with a Venezuelan going by the name of Casey, for me the top spot here, the gorgeous one where all booked, but you just have to keep your eyes open, spot the right one in between her gigs and then inform the reception guy.
Miladys: Seems closed, however, when I drove to Momento New Years, they seemed to be open. Would love to try that place..What were the damages?
Hyperactive
01-05-25, 17:50
What were the damages?At Casa Masa, close to 300 for 1 HR including drinks for her and me.
At Estark, 100 for 30 minutes plus 10 for sheets. A beer is 8 there.
Again, many thanks for all the suggestions & tips, especially to Qazwsx5 (I owe you a drink, feel free to get in touch in case you are around). As promised, here are my two pennies' worth on the scene in Marbella and the surrounding area:
Clubs:
Estark: 30-40 girls around on the we, quite the range from 0-8, two cuties (booked one of them), but also semi- or retirement age and 2 totally plastered ladies.
Casa Masa: amazing place, will visit again. Had a wonderful hour with a Venezuelan going by the name of Casey, for me the top spot here, the gorgeous one where all booked, but you just have to keep your eyes open, spot the right one in between her gigs and then inform the reception guy.
Miladys: Seems closed, however, when I drove to Momento New Years, they seemed to be open. Would love to try that place.
Bars:
La Sala: hit and miss, nothing to write home about, but I am sure you can get lucky there with a bit of patience.
La Habana: good bar, most of the women in there are pros, definitely a good spot, bit of patience needed here as well.
Mosh: First and foremost, try the sushi there that stuff would be flying off the shelves / counters even in Japan. Couldn't spot any WGs a few very, very good looking ones on the dance floor, but I think they were hired dancers (posed for a photographer, moved when advised by staff, not engaging with men etc.).
La Suite: closed for the winter.
Momento: closed for most of the winter, open on special days like NYEs. Not my cup of tea, too dark, too loud etc. (You might be in for a massive surprise when the light finally dawns.).
Olivia: closed, there is a building site now.
The bar scene is hence rather limited; should there be fallback bars for WG, I'd appreciate recommendations! Cheers.Glad you've enjoyed your stay so far.
Mosh is very good, however during December, Christmas season is quiet as you have witnessed as most girls spend time with families, momento is also owned by the same company as mosh, so most of the girls you find in mosh, are in momento too.
Olivia is open, there is some construction going on on the road etc but it is open on fridays, Saturday in the winter, same as the restaurant part called Lov.
La sala used to be very good but nowadays its mostly British tourists or expats, few WGs.
Occo just in front of la sala is also good, so check it out.
Scandalo has also been quite good this year, it is close to Malaga, well worth a visit if you are close by.
Hyperactive
01-10-25, 19:40
Many thanks Qazwsx5, I owe you. Also, you just planned my weekend with your post, so Occo and Olivia it will be. Re. Olivia, my satnav sent me onto a dark construction site so I guess I have to double check that first.
Re. Scandalo, I have never been to Malaga so the plan is to spend an afternoon there and on the way back check out Scandalo.
Again, many thanks your advice and tips made it much easier for me to find my way here.
Glad you've enjoyed your stay so far.
Mosh is very good, however during December, Christmas season is quiet as you have witnessed as most girls spend time with families, momento is also owned by the same company as mosh, so most of the girls you find in mosh, are in momento too.
Olivia is open, there is some construction going on on the road etc but it is open on Fridays, Saturday in the winter, same as the restaurant part called Lov.
La sala used to be very good but nowadays its mostly British tourists or expats, few WGs.
Occo just in front of la sala is also good, so check it out.
Scandalo has also been quite good this year, it is close to Malaga, well worth a visit if you are close by.
Many thanks Qazwsx5, I owe you. Also, you just planned my weekend with your post, so Occo and Olivia it will be. Re. Olivia, my satnav sent me onto a dark construction site so I guess I have to double check that first.
Re. Scandalo, I have never been to Malaga so the plan is to spend an afternoon there and on the way back check out Scandalo.
Again, many thanks your advice and tips made it much easier for me to find my way here.Scandalo gets going quite late, don't get there before midnight as you will be disappointed.
Make sure you type olivia valere disco, it shud come up, or just google it. The restaurant part with show starts at 8 till 1 , 2 am and disco from 12 or 1 am.
Did you go to estark again?
Hyperactive
01-15-25, 20:13
Thanks! I will move a dinner in between city visit and the deeper explorations.
Regarding Olivia, I am totally at a loss. Went there last weekend and only found an abandoned building (with inscription Olivia and Lov) on a construction site, which is just off Les Roches. I must be doing something wrong.
Scandalo gets going quite late, don't get there before midnight as you will be disappointed.
Make sure you type olivia valere disco, it shud come up, or just google it. The restaurant part with show starts at 8 till 1 , 2 am and disco from 12 or 1 am.
Did you go to estark again?
Visited Estark last week Tuesday at round 8 pm, didn't really expect much as it was Tuesday and possibly way too early, but to my surprise there were about 20 working, sat down to have a beer till 21 , by this time saw around 30 girls, quality was good, there were 4,5 rated 7 or 8 , didn't really expect this but not bad, didn't see any sort of sharky type, none of them really approached, and were waiting to be approached, BBBJ and DFK was possible with quite a few but some also rejected, what surprised me was the fact that there were lots of girls from Brazil, talked to 7 or 8 , and 5 of them were Brazilian and 2 from Venezuela and 1 Romanian. All in all it was a good night.
Visited Estark last week Tuesday at round 8 pm, didn't really expect much as it was Tuesday and possibly way too early, but to my surprise there were about 20 working, sat down to have a beer till 21 , by this time saw around 30 girls, quality was good, there were 4,5 rated 7 or 8 , didn't really expect this but not bad, didn't see any sort of sharky type, none of them really approached, and were waiting to be approached, BBBJ and DFK was possible with quite a few but some also rejected, what surprised me was the fact that there were lots of girls from Brazil, talked to 7 or 8 , and 5 of them were Brazilian and 2 from Venezuela and 1 Romanian. All in all it was a good night.I've seen Brazilian garotas get overseas and forget who they are and what they represent!
Andalus Expat
02-12-25, 15:27
I've seen Brazilian garotas get overseas and forget who they are and what they represent!Which brasileiras are you talking about, Mr Cane. It's a country the size of Europe with cultures as divergent as Norway & Italy. Personally I favour baianas around the house. They're obsessive cleaners & inspired cooks. Candomble orixas & capoeira too if you're not careful. Solange from Mato Grosso visits & the only thing they have in common is the Portuguese.
Steve 9696
02-13-25, 14:19
Which brasileiras are you talking about, Mr Cane. It's a country the size of Europe with cultures as divergent as Norway & Italy. Personally I favour baianas around the house. They're obsessive cleaners & inspired cooks. Candomble orixas & capoeira too if you're not careful. Solange from Mato Grosso visits & the only thing they have in common is the Portuguese.Quite right. But I think what he's referring to is that Brasileiras that escape the gravity of Brasil tend to be more hardened than the local girls. Brasileiras have a well earned reputation for being "like a girlfriend" in the room. Naturally passionate and DFK standard etc. Brasileiras abroad tend to be a bit more hardened, which is not surprising. My ISG friend talks about strippers as being stage 1,2, or 3. And the Brasileiras overseas tend to be stage 3.
That said, all rules have exceptions. I met an extraordinary Brasileira on Diva London and she was def just like a home girl. So much so I took her off the books Seeking Arrangement style to dinner etc. But I think on balance the traveling Brasileira will be more hardened than the home girl. That said a hardened brasileira can out GFE most girls on the planet. They are simply the best.
Quite right. But I think what he's referring to is that Brasileiras that escape the gravity of Brasil tend to be more hardened than the local girls. Brasileiras have a well earned reputation for being "like a girlfriend" in the room. Naturally passionate and DFK standard etc. Brasileiras abroad tend to be a bit more hardened, which is not surprising. My ISG friend talks about strippers as being stage 1,2, or 3. And the Brasileiras overseas tend to be stage 3.
That said, all rules have exceptions. I met an extraordinary Brasileira on Diva London and she was def just like a home girl. So much so I took her off the books Seeking Arrangement style to dinner etc. But I think on balance the traveling Brasileira will be more hardened than the home girl. That said a hardened brasileira can out GFE most girls on the planet. They are simply the best.That's exactly what I mean. I have had several Brazilian girls I have met outside of Brazil refuse to do anal sex. Imagine that! That said, as I have noted many times before, the best BBBJ CIM I have ever had in my life was from a Brazilian girl working at Globe in Zurich. Had my legs literally levitating off of the bed hahaha!
That's exactly what I mean. I have had several Brazilian girls I have met outside of Brazil refuse to do anal sex. Imagine that! That said, as I have noted many times before, the best BBBJ CIM I have ever had in my life was from a Brazilian girl working at Globe in Zurich. Had my legs literally levitating off of the bed hahaha!Apart from one brazilian who was from London escort scene working in miladys, the rest have been real bad, no DFK or BBBJ. Promised everything and the nothing in the room.
Andalus Expat
02-15-25, 00:56
Quite right. But I think what he's referring to is that Brasileiras that escape the gravity of Brasil tend to be more hardened than the local girls. Brasileiras have a well earned reputation for being "like a girlfriend" in the room. Naturally passionate and DFK standard etc. Brasileiras abroad tend to be a bit more hardened, which is not surprising. My ISG friend talks about strippers as being stage 1,2, or 3. And the Brasileiras overseas tend to be stage 3.If you knew what sort of lives these girls live, you wouldn't be surprised they get hardened. Do any of you people from your safe suburban backgrounds know what it's like coming to a strange country where you don't know anyone, don't speak the language & going on the game? I'm a member of several Whatsapp groups where girls find accommodation & plazas & talk with each other. Every day there's tales of being robbed, duped, ripped off, assaulted. And that's by other people in the industry. The clients are worse. It'd harden anybody. You're meeting the survivors.
Yeah. I like brasileiras. There's one become a big part of my life over the past 7 years. I like the culture. It's much much more sophisticated than the hispanics who are mostly barrio & pueblo girls Peasant mentalities. Whatever they tell you, few of them have any education. If they had they wouldn't be here doing what they're doing. Brasilians you can have proper conversations with. Argentinians can be better. But Argentina like Brasil has benefitted from very diverse immigration over the years, so a big mix in of European cultures.
+1 my friend. Hope you are well. Saw the recent post from MS who considers options in both Estark and Scandalos have declined and have to say I agree wholeheartedly re Scandalos. Other than the 2 Romanian sisters and the stunning Valeria from Brazil the options have become very poor there with a lot of huge SA excess weight options (not for me).
I now live 4 months CDS, 3 months in Thailand, 2. 5 months in Dubai and 2. 5 months in UK. I Visit E92 regularly and at least for me, the options have not declined. They've just changed but what has changed more, for the worse, is the inconsistency of the nights/options per night. See below.
More recently there are far more SA girls (as Qaz rightly reported).
I've never had any issue getting BBBJ there either though Im not a fan of your other favourites Cane!
Back to the inconsistency - what I mean is that E92 has become far more hit and miss than it used to be though as a club. At one time some years back I'the have 5 or 6 favourites to decide from on every visit. Now, it can occasionally be a "tough" night where the options are slim and its a case of eeking out the best of a bad bunch in a downbeat atmosphere/vibe in the club. So in that respect, Magic Sheep is not wrong. On the wrong night and E92 it can be very disappointing. Thats a definite change for the worse. And it's impossible to predict when that will be. I've been Fridays and Saturdays, when youd expect it to be at its optimum, and its been really quiet and then surprisingly on Sundays and Mondays and its been rammed. No real logic to it.
There have been some reports of rowdy drunken clientele at E92. Not saying it never happens but in my many years of going to E92 I've never seen really bad behaivour. In contrast, I once assisted doorman Ibrahim (Lennox Lewis lookalike and great guy) in a scrap against 3 Russian guys who were drunk in Scandalos. We got them out. As a result Manager Roberto, and Mamasan Gemma now always ensure a complimentary drink on the house for me when I go - but its not enough of a temptation given the poor options..Great reporting. Thank you very much.
If you knew what sort of lives these girls live, you wouldn't be surprised they get hardened. Do any of you people from your safe suburban backgrounds know what it's like coming to a strange country where you don't know anyone, don't speak the language & going on the game? I'm a member of several Whatsapp groups where girls find accommodation & plazas & talk with each other. Every day there's tales of being robbed, duped, ripped off, assaulted. And that's by other people in the industry. The clients are worse. It'd harden anybody. You're meeting the survivors.
Yeah. I like brasileiras. There's one become a big part of my life over the past 7 years. I like the culture. It's much much more sophisticated than the hispanics who are mostly barrio & pueblo girls Peasant mentalities. Whatever they tell you, few of them have any education. If they had they wouldn't be here doing what they're doing. Brasilians you can have proper conversations with. Argentinians can be better. But Argentina like Brasil has benefitted from very diverse immigration over the years, so a big mix in of European cultures.I absolutely couldn't agree more.
That is one of the most reflective posts I've seen on this thread.
Andalus Expat
02-16-25, 17:56
On the Spanish punter forum yesterday about Estark: "Antes de ayer había una redada de policía nacional tanto en el stark como en el hotel. 4 furgonetas why 2 coches había. Algo pasó. " So Friday.
Police National, 4 vans, 2 cars sounds like an immigration check or similar. And not a routine one. Or maybe drugs. I don't suppose they were delivering Valentine gifts. Police Locale handle small crime etc.
Further than that I couldn't tell you. I may drive past there tonite, as I'm going to Torremuelle. I'll see if it looks like it's open.
Hey guys, I plan to spend 2 to 3 weeks in Spain to study & improve my Spanish.
Which city among Sevilla, Malaga, Valencia, Barcelona or Madrid is best to date & hookup with or semi-pros, especially Latinas?
I'm 39 years old.
Cost of living and value mongering options are also a factor.
Thanks.
Andalus Expat
02-24-25, 16:59
https://www.101tv.es/club-scandalo-demolido-nuevo-hotel-congresos-cuatro-estrellas-malaga/
I can't say I am surprised. I have been saying since before Covid there isn't much money to be made in this business. The good days were in the 00's & it's been declining since 2010. And you really can't remedy the falling turnover by continually increasing prices. You just reduce turnover further. Vicious cycle. Whoever owns the land asset has decided there's more money to be made out of a conventional hotel than a puti club.
I suspect the same is true of Estark. It's 100+ room complex usually half empty. And the takings from the bar must be trivial. The bar I regularly frequent has 20-30 euros a minute passing over the bar from 21:00 to 03:00 most nights of the week most of the year. Estark doesn't do a fraction of that. Again, it would make more money as a conventional hotel.
Is Sala Divas even still open? Google seems to think it is but Google. Last time I was in there I've been in busier cemeteries.
Problem with all of these places is the people who run them haven't had a new idea this century. They just expect the money to r9oll in without working for it. There are places have adapted & changed. Pitched at a wider customer base. Put on proper entertainment & attracted couples etc. There's a market for erotic entertainment.
Andalus Expat
02-24-25, 20:12
From the Spanish language forum posted 22 Feb 25".
"Anoche estuve ahí why la discoteca estaba cerrada sólo estaba el salóand de juego me dijeron que abría a las dos alfo debe haber pasado".
He was there the previous night & only the slot arcade bar was open.
And I should have mentioned this in my previous post:
The last couple of weeks I've had a Brasilian girl staying with me. Friend. She flew back to Canada today. She used work at Estark some years back. Made a lot of money out of it. We were discussing the place & she tried an experiment, see what would happen. She phoned the club & asked about a plaza. She didn't tell them she's previously worked there & she had photos ready to send, not of her, if she was asked. She knew the manager quite well. She was very surprised they didn't even ask her age. Just said there was a plaza available, come. When she worked there the club was selective who they admitted. Now they'll take anyone.
And still on the subject of Estark. I showed her a Whatsapp text conversation in Spanish I had with a girl advertising, a while back. Having got the services offered & the prices out the way I'd asked her where in Fuengirola she was. She said, Carvajal. Star of the Sea. She would meet me there. I replied I had no intention of going to Estark. (Wild horses wouldn't!) I was expecting her to come back with the offer of an outcall. I'd already made it plain I might want more than an hour of her company so could obviously afford that. It would be a very strange girl didn't want to convert to a salida with at least 50 euros / hour extra plus what she can make on the taxi money. I'd suspected & my friend agreed, it didn't look like a conversation with a puta. Not written in their style. Lacked the emogees they all sprinkle through their Whatsapps. More like written by a man. Estark management trying to draw punters to the club in a quiet period? It was certainly odd that the advert disappeared from the next day & going back in time on the site, the previous instance was more than a week earlier. Since, I've seen the number being used with fotos of a different xica.
I think the information above might be useful if you're visiting the club. Might influence your bargaining tactics with the girls. Girls will always tell you they are busy & much in demand. Doesn't mean they are.
https://www.101tv.es/club-scandalo-demolido-nuevo-hotel-congresos-cuatro-estrellas-malaga/
I can't say I am surprised. I have been saying since before Covid there isn't much money to be made in this business. The good days were in the 00's & it's been declining since 2010. And you really can't remedy the falling turnover by continually increasing prices. You just reduce turnover further. Vicious cycle. Whoever owns the land asset has decided there's more money to be made out of a conventional hotel than a puti club.
I suspect the same is true of Estark. It's 100+ room complex usually half empty. And the takings from the bar must be trivial. The bar I regularly frequent has 20-30 euros a minute passing over the bar from 21:00 to 03:00 most nights of the week most of the year. Estark doesn't do a fraction of that. Again, it would make more money as a conventional hotel.
Is Sala Divas even still open? Google seems to think it is but Google. Last time I was in there I've been in busier cemeteries.
Problem with all of these places is the people who run them haven't had a new idea this century. They just expect the money to r9oll in without working for it. There are places have adapted & changed. Pitched at a wider customer base. Put on proper entertainment & attracted couples etc. There's a market for erotic entertainment.Here's me, the eternal optimist, hoping the best of the women working at Scandalos will move to Estark, hopefully quickly pushing out the most unattractive at estark due to even less work for them due to the increased competition, and we'll be left with one big club where the average woman is looking a notch or two better than what we have today.
Here's me, the eternal optimist, hoping the best of the women working at Scandalos will move to Estark, hopefully quickly pushing out the most unattractive at estark due to even less work for them due to the increased competition, and we'll be left with one big club where the average woman is looking a notch or two better than what we have today.So one less reason for me to return to the CDS. Not that there were any left in the first place. Gave up on it a long time ago.
Andalus Expat
02-24-25, 23:28
Here's me, the eternal optimist, hoping the best of the women working at Scandalos will move to Estark, hopefully quickly pushing out the most unattractive at estark due to even less work for them due to the increased competition, and we'll be left with one big club where the average woman is looking a notch or two better than what we have today.I suspect you're looking at it from the wrong direction. It's not the girls need to move, it's the clients. You'll only get girls if there's clients for them & Estark's running at half capacity now. So it'll depend on how many previous Scandalos clients want to pay 50 euros more cab fare to Carvajal, for a start. Locura's far nearer. Maybe Divas will get a new lease of life.
Andalus Expat
02-25-25, 11:53
Here's me, the eternal optimist, hoping the best of the women working at Scandalos will move to Estark, hopefully quickly pushing out the most unattractive at estark due to even less work for them due to the increased competition, and we'll be left with one big club where the average woman is looking a notch or two better than what we have today.I'd suggest you're looking at this the wrong way round. It's not the girls have to move, it's the clients. Girls go where the clients are. Scandalos' catchment area is Malaga. So will Malaguenos stand 50 euros more taxi fare to Carvajal? Locura's far nearer. Or maybe Divas will get a new lease of life. It certainly won't be influenced by the desires of guiri tourists. There aren't enough of you & your not good clients. One only has to look at reports on these boards. The complaints of sharky girls wanting to be bought drinks & all the half hour tricks. You're "maricons".
Shame about Scandalo. I've had many happy memories in there, although I have to admit it was never my favourite venue. I always felt if you didn't spot one you liked, you'd make yourself dizzy walking round and round in circles! I must admit I've not visited since 2017, thought about it often and then dismissed due to the pricing. Maybe similar to many others? And perhaps that's why it finds itself in this situation? I must admit I'm surprised it's lasted as long as it has with the ridiculous pricing. As other regulars on here predicted a few years ago, it wasn't going to last long operating like that. Maybe E 92 will benefit? Hard to tell, one of my regulars at Club Cherie tells me business of late has been awful. Even my favourite Brazilian (I've mentioned on here) has ended up in the UK lately draining my bank account, and she works world-wide.
As AE mentioned the other week, the Police National raiding E92, I wonder what that was all about? I used to see a girl very regular at Scandalo and she said police raids there were not uncommon. I'd completely forgotten about Sala Divas, I've never been, and rarely read any favourable reports.
I always felt the location was not the best for Scandalo, and perhaps that's another reason for its demise? You have to consider E92 is better placed for the Golfing crowd and tourists.
No shock re Scandalos. Many punters, me included abandoned it when prices went crazy. However, spoke to Manager Roberto yesterday who explained the new complex to be built, too good an offer to refuse and Scandalos will reopen in a new venue before summer. I wasn't convinced but let's see.
All the hype about the police "raid" at E92. LOL! There is a standard quarterly visit. As Jummy reported - they were common visits at Scandalos and no different at E92. Spoke to long time regular of mine who was there on the night. No fuss, no drama, no clients asked to leave, checking the place over to ensure no visible drug issues in the bar area, several officers stayed and had a drink with Juan (one of the two managers) whilst the club's normal business continued. Business as usual. Some of the girls from Scandalos have arrived and are occupying rooms. Some fears that they will seek to drive prices up to Scandalos levels. They blame the conference centre in Malaga for Scandalos demise and not the club prices. My regular teased me with "when are you coming next there are several I know you'll like". Not sure I want to leave the beautiful climate here in Thailand for some of the awful weather / floods I've seen on the news in CDS.
So the whole "police vans" etc was entirely normal and was nothing out of the blue.
The girls do report that business is not good though. As previously reported, I just think CDS has "had its day" both for mongering and more generally. It's old and tired and has not kept pace with some amazing places around the globe. Was in Boracay for 10 days recently. First trip to the Philippines. And will not be my last. Fantastic white sand and turquoise waters totally unspoilt, everying is cheaply priced (including p4 p) and its added to my list of fav destinations. By now I would normally be planning a CDS in March or early April but I'm more likely to head half way to Dubai and stay 2-3 weeks before returning to CDS maybe in late April or even May.
Whilst I really enjoyed my last trips to Fontana (in old E95 - much improved) and Cleofas, E92 will always be on the list given the many amazing nights I've had there.
I won't be staying long if it inherits Scandalos prices though. I virtually abandoned FKKs when their prices went silly post covid, (though I will confess to being attracted back to a summer afternoon or two at Oase and Sharks this summer. Perhaps instead of CDS?) and I most definitely wouldn't only return to CDS now for mongering. Its fallen way down the list of great options both for mongering and more generally. Great shame. The hey days of Marbella, then Banus were fabulous.
Andalus Expat
03-06-25, 18:57
No shock re Scandalos. Many punters, me included abandoned it when prices went crazy. However, spoke to Manager Roberto yesterday who explained the new complex to be built, too good an offer to refuse and Scandalos will reopen in a new venue before summer. I wasn't convinced but let's see.The prices in Scandalos will be a reflection of what the girls want to work there. And the girls will think in terms of what they earn a shift or a week. Not just what the client pays an hour. A club with a lot of attractive girls standing around available for punters may look good to the punter. But not to the girls doing the standing around. As I said in a previous post, whether Scandalos girls head for Estark is irrelevant. It's whether Scandalos clients head for Estark.
As for the CDS itself, I think the people here lost the plot. We came through to the period after Covid with prices over 30% up across the board. Far over the general rate of inflation. And no particular justification for it. OK, some inputs like energy & food prices were higher. But most fixed costs were unchanged. Labour certainly was. It was simply an attempt to counter a drop in custom by charging more. Expecting other people to pay for their problems. It's what the girls have been doing. Higher prices to compensate for less clients. The result of that is inevitably even less clients.
But I'd say there's also been something else going on. For the past couple of decades the CDS has being trying to upmarket itself. Commercially, that's a very hard thing to do. Marbella's long had a rep for being rather tacky 'see' List. Footballers & reality TV stars rather than international financiers & Hollywood Oscar winners. It's never going to be the French Riviera. It lacks the cachet of Cannes & St Trop, Antibes & Juan LE Pins. It's never going to attract real money & is no longer somewhere for an affordable holiday. Like PayForIt says, they might as well go somewhere else. And they do.
It's never going to attract real money & is no longer somewhere for an affordable holiday. Like PayForIt says, they might as well go somewhere else. And they do.Wow! Didn't see that coming! I think after many years we finally agreed on something!
What's sad is why. It's truly lamentable what's happened in Spain / CDS. But I suppose its like bars. A new one opens in town (anywhere in the World) and has a great vibe and is the "place to be seen". Something like La Sala in Banus. But soon enough it loses its glitz and attraction and a new "go to" place crops up. If that can happen in Banus it can happen in Malaga / Fuengirola / Madrid / London and even a whole area / country.
Somehow even the weather has turned! I had a video to my phone 2 days ago from a friend on CDS showing me flooded streets. Not long ago that was Torremolinos and before that Malaga. What is going on?
I truly hope CDS makes a "comeback". I like to visit, like the language and (dependent on location) the food. But for a single guy like me enjoying his twighlight last 20 years (if I'm lucky), the mongering needs to be not only available, but really good. I have several favourites at E92 - 2 of them headed out to Switzerland and Germany. "Not enough clients". Sure. Not 9/10 stunners but very pretty girls with great service mentality, not clock watchers and had a lot of laughs with them. Gone. I know girls move on but there are still probably 10 working at E92 who have been there over a decade. And there is the occasional big spender on CDS. In my last trip to Fontana all of a sudden the music got very loud and there were those stick fireworks in bottle tops. Why? They have a VIP Suite. Wait for it - 1000 euros for up to 3 hours with 2 girls of your choice, a large bottle of champagne and all other drinks for the punter (not the girls) free. Actually not that bad a deal if you consider the girls won't budge below 200 per hour. So that's 600 for 3 hours with just one girl. Two would be 1200 and then the bottle 300 euros. So 1000 for what should be 1500. Not that many could or would pay 1500 for 3 hours with two chicas, but a guy willing to pay out 1000 might. Here's the real surprise. The punter. Was. Spanish!
I returned two nights later to ask to see the VIP suite. Had zero intention of using it but wanted to see it. Very 50 shades of grey red room like but nice jacuzzi but nothing special. Didn't get the fuss. Obviously didn't book into it. But it shows that there is the occasional wealthy (or crazy) punter. I suspect all too rare.
It's a long time since someone posted in these threads that they had a great time (other than Jummy's Brazilian who sounds excellent).
What a crying shame.
Nostallgia will make me always return for a bit. But the lenght of the stays is slowly decreasing. It's just lost its appeal. I'm really quite disappointed about it despite there being some terrific other locations / options.
Andalus Expat
03-08-25, 16:11
Wow! Didn't see that coming! I think after many years we finally agreed on something!
What's sad is why. It's truly lamentable what's happened in Spain / CDS. But I suppose its like bars. A new one opens in town (anywhere in the World) and has a great vibe and is the "place to be seen". Something like La Sala in Banus. But soon enough it loses its glitz and attraction and a new "go to" place crops up. If that can happen in Banus it can happen in Malaga / Fuengirola / Madrid / London and even a whole area / country.
Somehow even the weather has turned! I had a video to my phone 2 days ago from a friend on CDS showing me flooded streets. Not long ago that was Torremolinos and before that Malaga. What is going on?
I truly hope CDS makes a "comeback". I like to visit, like the language and (dependent on location) the food. But for a single guy like me enjoying his twighlight last 20 years (if I'm lucky), the mongering needs to be not only available, but really good. I have several favourites at E92 - 2 of them headed out to Switzerland and Germany. "Not enough clients". Sure. Not 9/10 stunners but very pretty girls with great service mentality, not clock watchers and had a lot of laughs with them. Gone. I know girls move on but there are still probably 10 working at E92 who have been there over a decade. And there is the occasional big spender on CDS. In my last trip to Fontana all of a sudden the music got very loud and there were those stick fireworks in bottle tops. Why? They have a VIP Suite. Wait for it - 1000 euros for up to 3 hours with 2 girls of your choice, a large bottle of champagne and all other drinks for the punter (not the girls) free. Actually not that bad a deal if you consider the girls won't budge below 200 per hour. So that's 600 for 3 hours with just one girl. Two would be 1200 and then the bottle 300 euros. So 1000 for what should be 1500. Not that many could or would pay 1500 for 3 hours with two chicas, but a guy willing to pay out 1000 might. Here's the real surprise. The punter. Was. Spanish!On the weather thing, there's nothing really happening. I can remember driving down to Granada province from Valencia through a constant torrential downpour. Winter of '09 I think. I certainly picked the wrong day to travel! The river at Orgiva, usually a trickle you can walk through, swept an entire caravan site away. And if you've ever been through a gota fria. All this is normal. Climate here is cyclical & we've just been through a regularly occurring dry period. It also probably been amplified by the amount of development's gone on. The developments put in drainage, so the water runs off quicker & causes problems downstream. It was the same with the drought. We were under water use restrictions last summer with reduced pressures. Really fucked over my terrace auto-irrigation system. I'll be replacing a lot of plants this spring. The reservoirs didn't have enough capacity to meet demand. And that problems not going away. They're basically capturing all of the rainfall falls this side of the mountains. None of the rivers have any water in them in the summer. It all comes out the taps.
As for the punting scene, you're obviously a low information punter. 200 Euros an hour! The places you're going to are for people like you who don't know any better. I don't know anyone here goes to them. Yeah of course there's girls who'll charge 200 an hour if you'll pay it. (But nobody with any sense pays 3 hours at 200/ hour!) I was out with one last night. Brazilian. Friend of the one currently staying with me. (Returned from Canada) She'd had precisely one client all day for half an hour. Her phone was constantly getting messages & if one of them had resulted in a cita she'd have gone off & covered it. But nothing. She came back with us & left at 05:00. If I'd have wanted her services she'd have been well pleased with 100 for an hour & wouldn't have been clock watching either. The villa my amiga runs has 8 girls as good as anything you'll find in E92.120/ h & you get your first drink free. (remember the girls are on 50/50) This is the sort of place people who actually know the CDS go. Or they see the indies. There's a real shortage of paying clients here. Have been ever since the start of Covid & it wasn't good before. The girls are more than willing to accept deals, if you go about it the right way. They need to eat. As for champagne at 300 a bottle. You'd have to be mad! It's bad enough the shops charging nearly 50 for Moet if you know the price in a French E-LeClerc. But that's the Spanish. Killing the goose lays the golden eggs, for a meal.
As for the punting scene, you're obviously a low information punter. 200 Euros an hour! The places you're going to are for people like you who don't know any better. I don't know anyone here goes to themLOL. Why not respond likewise - politely - instead of insulting somebody who visits now and then?
Is there anyone under 25 in your amiga's vila? Or at least under 30?
LOL. Why not respond likewise - politely - instead of insulting somebody who visits now and then?
Is there anyone under 25 in your amiga's vila? Or at least under 30?So much for a truce (rolling eyes)!
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As for the punting scene, you're obviously a low information punter. 200 Euros an hour! The places you're going to are for people like you who don't know any better. I don't know anyone here goes to them. Yeah of course there's girls who'll charge 200 an hour if you'll pay it. (But nobody with any sense pays 3 hours at 200/ hour!)Oh dear. I see our "peace" is of the Putin variety! Its not that I'm a "low information" punter. It's that we are comparing apples with pears. You know from many past exchanges that I simply will not use indies / escort sites because the bait and switch is horrendous. There are MANY places on CDS now where over 200/ hour is perfectly normal. The villas alongside the old Miladys Palace are 250. Milayds before closing reached 350. Scandalos was 300 or 350/ hour. Fontana is 200/ hour. E92 is 200/ hour and has been for a long time. Glass Palace Estepona 250/ hour. Most of the best tantric massage places now are 160/ hour.
I've made very very clear repeatedly that I want to choose a lady based upon optics when she is actually in front of me. Not from some website when she looks stunning but turns up, is 45 years old and fat. I've tried them and sadly never again. Yep there are some decent villas. A lot of them now not far off 200/ hour.
Far from being "low information" I probably know more about the Club scene along the CDS than most! But its not your scene. That's why I created the Club Reports only forum. The trick is in the name CLUB reports. Not on your friends villa, or indies. CLUBS. And my friend, I can tell you (with good information not low information) that the CLUBS that exist on the CDS now rarely have prices below 200. Cleofas (Campamento) is 150. Great fun but older ladies and not slim / optiks. Finding a very attractive lady IN A CLUB on CDS wanting less than 200 is not easy now!
So its not a question of not "knowing any better". I know my scene. Clubs. You don't know that scene. Or if you did, you wouldn't be writing that 200/ hour is odd. It is very normal in most clubs and cheap in some of them! When you say "nobody pays 200 per hour for 3 hours" I gave you an actual example of a Spanish punter who just paid 1000!
So the "nobody" isn't right. I have no idea if he considers he has sense or not. You clearly think he doesn't. But its all relative. Maybe he is SO wealthy that 1000 for that VIP suite was nothing to him. I know plenty of guys who think 200/ hour isn't anything odd. Most of the FKK clubs in FRA now the girls want 200/ hour. You'll find the odd older or uglier one at 150. Prices have changed in clubs. This level of pricing is now standard. So for those who like, as I do, selecting from girls in a club, face to face, this level has become "normal".
If I asked you what was the amount you last paid for an hour in a club I doubt you would be able to answer unless it was years ago. Because you don't pay for girls in clubs. So you wouldn't know. Now does that make you (rather than me) the "low information" punter. Baring in mind we are in the CLUB REPORTS ONLY forum?
Is the truce over or are we friends again? LOL
As Werqweq commented. No need for rudeness. Not least as I was being polite.
Please clear out some PMs from your inbox. I've been trying to message you but can't due to your box being full.
Andalus Expat
03-11-25, 01:29
Oh dear. I see our "peace" is of the Putin variety! Its not that I'm a "low information" punter. It's that we are comparing apples with pears. You know from many past exchanges that I simply will not use indies / escort sites because the bait and switch is horrendous. There are MANY places on CDS now where over 200/ hour is perfectly normal. The villas alongside the old Miladys Palace are 250. Milayds before closing reached 350. Scandalos was 300 or 350/ hour. Fontana is 200/ hour. E92 is 200/ hour and has been for a long time. Glass Palace Estepona 250/ hour. Most of the best tantric massage places now are 160/ hour.
I've made very very clear repeatedly that I want to choose a lady based upon optics when she is actually in front of me. Not from some website when she looks stunning but turns up, is 45 years old and fat. I've tried them and sadly never again. Yep there are some decent villas. A lot of them now not far off 200/ hour.
Far from being "low information" I probably know more about the Club scene along the CDS than most! But its not your scene. That's why I created the Club Reports only forum. The trick is in the name CLUB reports. Not on your friends villa, or indies. CLUBS. And my friend, I can tell you (with good information not low information) that the CLUBS that exist on the CDS now rarely have prices below 200. Cleofas (Campamento) is 150. Great fun but older ladies and not slim / optiks. Finding a very attractive lady IN A CLUB on CDS wanting less than 200 is not easy now!
So its not a question of not "knowing any better". I know my scene. Clubs. You don't know that scene. Or if you did, you wouldn't be writing that 200/ hour is odd. It is very normal in most clubs and cheap in some of them! When you say "nobody pays 200 per hour for 3 hours" I gave you an actual example of a Spanish punter who just paid 1000!
So the "nobody" isn't right. I have no idea if he considers he has sense or not. You clearly think he doesn't. But its all relative. Maybe he is SO wealthy that 1000 for that VIP suite was nothing to him. I know plenty of guys who think 200/ hour isn't anything odd. Most of the FKK clubs in FRA now the girls want 200/ hour. You'll find the odd older or uglier one at 150. Prices have changed in clubs. This level of pricing is now standard. So for those who like, as I do, selecting from girls in a club, face to face, this level has become "normal".
If I asked you what was the amount you last paid for an hour in a club I doubt you would be able to answer unless it was years ago. Because you don't pay for girls in clubs. So you wouldn't know. Now does that make you (rather than me) the "low information" punter. Baring in mind we are in the CLUB REPORTS ONLY forum?
Is the truce over or are we friends again? LOL
As Werqweq commented. No need for rudeness. Not least as I was being polite.You said "the mongering needs to be not only available, but really good" It is. The scene you say you're the expert on is couple of hundred girls out of thousands work on the CDS. And what expertise is needed? Isn't that the point of clubs? No expertise is needed. As for "bait & switch", the experienced punter largely avoids it. Checking photos against TInEye is a first precaution for false photos. And "If it looks too good to be true it probably is. " is another. But part of actual punting expertise is to be able to tell the genuine adverts from the false. That comes from experience. And the girls aren't very clever with their advertising. There are thousands of guys doing this & having a good time. And they're not paying 200 an hour. Don't forget it's you who are setting the prices in clubs not the girls. They charge that because you are willing to pay it. If you didn't, they couldn't. Simple as that.
The rest of us are having a whale of a time. A sample can be found on the local Spanish language forum, often a couple dozen encounters a day. Lack of paying customers is keeping prices down & making girls amenable to deals once they know you.
Mr Werqweq, There aren't many girls under 25 in the game. If they told you they were, they most likely lied. Few women get into this because they want to. They do it because they ran out of options & women under 25 are mostly still exploring the options. Being a club girl is one of the worst ones. Few girls will do it for long if at all. Doing a shift perched up on heels, their backs aching & a smile plastered on repeatedly being knocked back by uninterested men isn't pleasant. And club clients are some of the worst in the business. The women have to be as tough as nails or desperate.
Please clear out some PMs from your inbox. I've been trying to message you but can't due to your box being full.Sorted. Sorry!
No one here is interested. I suggest you desist.Seems to me that plenty of people are interested in what I have to say since I have posts in Reports of Distinction for countries all over the world, including Spain. The same cannot be said for you (or Andalus Expat). Until your overall contributions match mine, which is never, I suggest that you cease and desist.
Visited estark Saturday night, it was okish quality, 6,7 good looking out of 30 , it was quite early tho, about 21:00 , mostly brazilian for some unknown reasons. Bianca, payforit favorite was there also but didn't see the rest.
The club door is shut and you must go through the caisno door, not sure why the club is shut ATM, maybe because of what AE said a few days ago.
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Andalus Expat
03-13-25, 18:38
Seems to me that plenty of people are interested in what I have to say since I have posts in Reports of Distinction for countries all over the world, including Spain. The same cannot be said for you (or Andalus Expat). Until your overall contributions match mine, which is never, I suggest that you cease and desist.I'm fascinated Mr Cane. Do you think you could enlighten us where these "reports of distinction" are? The only one I can find for you for Spain was one you authored yourself way back in 2018 where you linked to your own posts. Are we therefore to presume that you author only "reports of distinction", leaving the mundane for lesser beings?
I'm fascinated Mr Cane. Do you think you could enlighten us where these "reports of distinction" are? The only one I can find for you for Spain was one you authored yourself way back in 2018 where you linked to your own posts. Are we therefore to presume that you author only "reports of distinction", leaving the mundane for lesser beings?If you're too lazy and or don't know how to use the site that's your problem. And since you apparently don't like to read my reports anyway what do you care? We aren't finding any RODs from you. That's for darn sure! There's no mistaking that. If you don't like what I write about, then put me on ignore and don't read it. Simple as that.
Andalus Expat
03-14-25, 17:23
If you're too lazy and or don't know how to use the site that's your problem. And since you apparently don't like to read my reports anyway what do you care? We aren't finding any RODs from you. That's for darn sure! There's no mistaking that. If you don't like what I write about, then put me on ignore and don't read it. Simple as that.No. I'm genuinely interested. If you have so many reports of distinction I might learn something. Reports of distinction are for specific countries. That's a lot of countries to look through. Over 100? I've been back through your posts (there are a lot) & the only reports I can find. Reports of encounters with putas rather than general comments related to other's posts. Are some for Madrid in 2018. You visited a couple of clubs. So what am I missing?
You are entirely correct. I have never been awarded a report of distinction. I have however submitted a fair number of reports on encounters with girls. And received PM's of thanks for them. I generally will only report on one girl the once. Since that will contain the info on her should anyone want to meet her. I suppose there's about 50 of them back to 2018. I generally don't report on second encounters or girls turn out as not worth the bother or are leaving the area soon. No point. I do occasionally report on girls best avoided. That said, despite meeting numerous new girls over the past few months, I've given up on doing reports. The last actual report on the CDS main board is Jummy from before Christmas. If I'm not benefitting from other people's reports, why should I bother? I always thought point of posting here was other people should benefit from the posts. I don't find PayForIt constantly rubbishing everything here apart from a couple of puti clubs particularly beneficial. Tens of thousands of punters here can't all be wrong, can they? If he can't hack it here, it's his problem.
No. I'm genuinely interested. If you have so many reports of distinction I might learn something. Reports of distinction are for specific countries. That's a lot of countries to look through. Over 100? I've been back through your posts (there are a lot) & the only reports I can find. Reports of encounters with putas rather than general comments related to other's posts. Are some for Madrid in 2018. You visited a couple of clubs. So what am I missing?
You are entirely correct. I have never been awarded a report of distinction. I have however submitted a fair number of reports on encounters with girls. And received PM's of thanks for them. I generally will only report on one girl the once. Since that will contain the info on her should anyone want to meet her. I suppose there's about 50 of them back to 2018. I generally don't report on second encounters or girls turn out as not worth the bother or are leaving the area soon. No point. I do occasionally report on girls best avoided. That said, despite meeting numerous new girls over the past few months, I've given up on doing reports. The last actual report on the CDS main board is Jummy from before Christmas. If I'm not benefitting from other people's reports, why should I bother? I always thought point of posting here was other people should benefit from the posts. I don't find PayForIt constantly rubbishing everything here apart from a couple of puti clubs particularly beneficial. Tens of thousands of punters here can't all be wrong, can they? If he can't hack it here, it's his problem.You're right. I've been around on this and other sites for at least a couple of decades. That's a lot of posts. I've been to over 50 countries on 5 continents and mongered in many of those places. And I've written a lot of reports. But you know what? Let's keep the subject where this started. The current tensions here are not about me. They aren't about PFI either. No, it's as Werqweq wrote. It's the impolite and insulting way in which you address people in this thread. Like is commonly said, it's possible to disagree without being disagreeable! You know, that would really help a lot! But the thing I have to keep wondering about is why do you keep posting in this thread anyway? I can only conclude that it's just agitate. You moaned and complained about everybody talking about the clubs all the time and why didn't people talk about the other options in Spain. If that was so missing why didn't you seize that mantle yourself instead of just complaining about it? Well, PFI created this thread for those of us who like the club scene, and what did you do? You started frequenting and posting in here on a subject you said you didn't want to hear about! Why? I can only conclude it's just to try to get people wound up. In any event, I'm done dealing with you and Jummy too. You want to read some of my most recent stuff? Then check out the Brazil threads. I'm here now and having a blast! And at least one member has put some of my "spot reports" into the RODs. You can agree. You can disagree. But I don't care. Somebody else thinks so, and it is what it is. Hasta luego!
I've given up on doing reports. The last actual report on the CDS main board is Jummy from before Christmas. If I'm not benefitting from other people's reports, why should I bother? I always thought point of posting here was other people should benefit from the posts. I don't find PayForIt constantly rubbishing everything here apart from a couple of puti clubs particularly beneficial. Tens of thousands of punters here can't all be wrong, can they? If he can't hack it here, it's his problem.A few points. Firstly, you do not, and I believe have NEVER posted a report in THIS thread - the CLUB REPORTS ONLY thread, about an encounter you've had with a girl in a CLUB (the trick is in the name of the thread!)
For year's you've been writing reports rubbishing anything and anyone to do with the clubs, from the girls, the club owner and the "low information" punters who use them. Entirely fine for you to not like clubs, or, to use your term "cannot hack them". But in which case, don't post in this thread at all as you have nothing to report because you don't use clubs for your enjoyment.
I very very rarely report now in the main CDS thread as it’s become a thread for reports which are NOT about clubs. I think over the years you have frequently reported in that main thread in a way which will have been highly beneficial to those who frequent it. You clearly know a lot about agencies in Spain, how they operate, private villas etc. So your reports are valuable in that thread. But you have no experience to report on about attending all of the clubs on the CDS and actually taking girls to rooms. That was demonstrated days ago when you commented that anyone taking a girl to a room for 200 euros was crazy. This after you had alleged I was a low information punter. But that comment was ironic - it demonstrated your total ignorance of the current price regimes in CDS Clubs, where 200/hour is not crazy. Its very very common. Other than Cleofas, 200 is about standard in nearly every other club on the coast. From Fontana in LOS Barrios, through Glass Palace Estepona, to E92 and until its demise Scandalos (300+). So you are not qualified to comment on the club scene as you don't use it. I'm not qualified to report on the escorts scene as I won't use it due to the horrendous bait and switch. You believe that's the result of a lack of knowledge and you might be right about that but I don't really care because my experience of it is such that I will never do it again.
So all in all. Better to stick to what we know best.
The Cane does have considerable experience of using clubs. Both historically in Spain (not just on CDS but Madrid etc) and in many other destinations globally including FKKs to Scandalos and other in Brazil (where he is currently located! He knows how clubs work and what the current situation is. He decided to abandon Clubs on the CDS for good reasons. You appear to have taken umbrage at me making negative comments not only about Clubs but the CDS. Sorry you don't like them but they are my thoughts. Mongers regularly share such opinions. For example it's frequently the case in the FKK forums that people ask whether it's better to visit Artemis in Berlin or any of the 5 main FKKs in Frankfurt. Responses often say that whilst there is the monopoly in Berlin (only one FKK) it's a much better City to visit for non-mongering reasons than Frankfurt with its multiple FKK options. I'm sure people in Frankfurt don't start getting upset by this!
I've commented that I'm genuinely sad to see the demise of the CDS both for mongering and as a destination generally. I am lucky to have a very nice home on the CDS so I really want it to return to former glories. I actually replied to you that I hope it makes a comeback. But I am unwilling to write false accounts suggesting it's much better than it is. You regularly criticise Spanish economic policies and attitudes. Is that you "not hacking it". So I would be delighted to be reporting on a real revival on the CDS of both Club scene and more generally about the location. It would truly benefit me. Until 2 years ago I spent more time on the CDS than anywhere else in the World. I've changed that because it doesn't warrant it now and has sadly fallen behind many other destinations on a number of fronts.
I don't comment on your posts in the main thread. Without being unkind, I rarely even read them or anyone else's posts in that thread as I'm not interested in the main thread as it doesn't cater for my preference which, as you know, is Clubs. I don't therefore venture to be an expert in things I don't know much about. But you seem to be very interested in making comments in the Club Reports Only thread despite being someone who self-admittedly dislikes clubs, thinks they are overpriced, that the girls are terrible in standard (despite many posts to the contrary) etc. There are people who post helpful reports in this thread like Qaz5.
Only last week you were rightly criticised by another member of the thread here (Werqweq) for the manner of your response to me. I posted a jocular comment about us finally agreeing on something last week (peace) and reaching a truce. Your response? More bile and nonsense about me being a "low information" punter when the truth is that I probably have known as much information about clubs on the CDS in the last 10 years than anyone who has ever posted in this threat. Such knowledge being recognised in the Reports of Distinction thread which you again admit you've never made it to! My knowledge of the club scene in CDS cannot be considered "low information" with any sense of credibility. But it's definitely on the wane. Because I'm not visiting enough to maintain it due to the demise of the CDS which you actually agreed about a week ago. Only to now asset that I cannot "hack" it. You couldn’t make this up!
If any of this mattered at all (to any of us) it would have value. Truth is that we all have better things to do with our time and lives.
I think it's a shame if you decide not to report in the main thread and share your knowledge of villas and escorts which appears to be far from "low information". But it's up to you. I do wonder though why you visit the threads at all if you've made a decision not to report. Do you just enjoy the silly spats? I think I might have more respect for you if you admitted that that was the real reason you come into these threads!
Your post I'm responding now to, in summary, amounts to you getting nothing out of the threads, nobody reports anymore so you won't report yourself. Wonderful. Why visit the threads at all?
I took a decision about 18 months ago to abandon the Spanish threads due to the silly childish school playground type sniping. I continued to attend Clubs on the CDS and occasionally when looking at ISG on other threads where I was visiting or located got PMs by mongers who know I know the CDS club scene asking questions I answered. But I stopped posting due to the childish back-biting. It was very nice of many guys to contact me to say they missed my reports. They seemingly didn't find them low information.
I decided recently to rejoin the fray again.
What a terrible mistake!
I thought we might be getting somewhere.
We're not.
A similar level of immaturity and childish commentary still sadly exists in this thread - be that from the odd wholly unwarranted attack of the type Werqweq criticised, or the (mainly amusing) snipes Jummy 1 comes out with (I particularly enjoyed Fullofit! - excellent) which usually get taken down by Admin due to breaches of rules!
They are funny whilst they manage to stay up though!
Why don't we strike a Trump / Putin deal here? As you and Jummy have absolutely nothing to report on positively about clubs (and have little experience of them other than "went in for 10 minutes and it was awful" and NEVER report on taking a girl to a room, what she was like etc), then why not just stay out of this thread entirely and don't comment on things you know nothing about. Simultaneously, I will follow suit and avoid the main thread entirely (as I have nothing to offer in that thread other than an occasional trip to a massage place).
I'm hoping for a sensible response (and perhaps a short-lived reposte from Jumbled 1!).
If we cannot "agree to disagree" then I bid you and Jummy farewell and will just block you both so I simply cannot see what you write in future which tends (at least in this thread) to be a mix of hopelessly useless information or insults. Let's both stick to what we know. Please don’t write a response about your knowledge of the CDS club scene in the 1970s and 80s. You might have “hacked it” back then, but for your own reasons you don’t visit clubs now to partake in our sport, haven’t done so for years (or at least never reported on doing so) and so let the threads be for up to date information (low or high!) from people who know what the situation actually is. You posted a sensationalist comment about a police “raid” at E92 recently which “cannot be good”. It demonstrated a total lack of knowledge about how the police interact with Clubs in Spain. Even Jummy knew it was normal to have the occasional visit! So I’m hoping we aren’t treated to nonsense about your Clubs expertise as it is likely to be very much historical rather than current.
You are a clearly intelligent man, well travelled, and knowledgeable about non-club related mongering on the CDS. You stick to that, and leave those of us interested in Clubs only to report in this thread - the Club Reports Only thread.
I'm fascinated Mr Cane. Do you think you could enlighten us where these "reports of distinction" are? The only one I can find for you for Spain was one you authored yourself way back in 2018 where you linked to your own posts. Are we therefore to presume that you author only "reports of distinction", leaving the mundane for lesser beings?Well, I had to have a good laugh at that one. Argumentative nonsense aside, I'd nominate the post above to a "funnies of distinction", if there was such a category here.
I took a decision about 18 months ago to abandon the Spanish threads due to the silly childish school playground type sniping.I'm sure that most of us here greatly enjoy your contributions, though it's unfortunately much easier to just think "that was interesting", than to reply with a compliment, especially if you don't have anything more useful to say than "that was interesting".
In the perhaps 10-12 times I've gone to estark92 the last 3-4 years I've only once had what I'd rate as a good experience (some newish girl around 25 years old from some south american country I no longer remember what was). Except for that I had one ok experience, had two bad ones, and the rest of the times I didn't even see anybody I'd like to bang. Too old, too fat, or not pretty. Also having to always confirm BJ without condom first is a turn-off. Even my one good experience was nothing more than what would have been an average experience in other countries, so hard to motivate myself for even the 10 minute drive.
Since I'm not interested in partying or drinking with p4 p-girls either, the casas or the freelancers would be much more suitable for me, but after some half-decent experiences there initially, I've given up on those too after too many photoshopped photos, or just plain bait and switch. The spanish forum (lumismalaga) has considerable more activity (anything is considerably more than the zero here is of course "considerably more" but there too good experiences are far in between, and would probably be even worse for me as I find the common Spanish preference for what to me is just fat, large-assed women disgusting, and the few times I've went to a "casa", that is all I saw. Mostly far too old for me to be interested in paying too.
Since I live here I keep an eye on this thread, hoping somebody will report some good experiences which will make me want to take the 10 minute drive to estark again, so do hope you post again next time you're visiting.
Disco part in estark is open again, Friday night at 1,00 quite busy, quality quite good.
I'll say this sincerely. In all honesty, and hopefully not drawing attention from the Mods - (about drama).
Full of it, you appear to be extremely insecure, it appears you always, always, have to have the final say on everything especially CDS related. Whether 'Your forum' or elsewhere. It's like you have a compulsive need to exert your authority.
You regularly get in to Tit-for-Tat arguments with AE (has it not occurred to you he's pulling you in)? Again you absolutely must have the last word.
It is amusing. More so that you vouch for another implicitly, and feel utterly compelled to back him up. We know who, it's like a weird 'tag-team' dynamic.
Another part of your insecurity, and his too.
Why?
You are now in your sixties? You've already had your pants pulled down on here. Exposed for embellishment. Your property on the CDS. Another figment of your imagination. Which you claimed you were selling to another ISG member years ago (when I initially rumbled you). I pointed this out when you were always posting about staying in Hotels. That's when my initial doubts about your authenticity set in.
You stopped posting in both CDS threads for a long time after you were exposed. It had nothing to do with your view of your perceived childish behaviour. I posture you were embarrassed following the "E92 Swedish Billionaire" nonsense.
Back in 2013 when I first started reading this forum. I used to really respect you, everything you wrote. I followed. You started your own thread Clubs Only I followed that also. Eagerly. You were THE CDS bloke. And then it seemed, you got drunk on your own self sense of importance.
One night a few years ago, I was watching your club forum, you must have been on-line the same time as me. You posted something that could only be described as absolute fantasy. It was along the lines of (You) winning a load of money gambling then doing all (girls) at E92 and Scandalo IN ONE NIGHT. Or something along those lines. I was aghast. You immediately deleted the post. I saw it, others won't have. It was a drawing a line in the sand moment for me.
I really hope the mods don't take this down, as it is a truly honest account of my viewing the CDS threads going back over 10 years. And it should be considered by other readers.
Full of it, you appear to be extremely insecure, it appears you always, always, have to have the final say on everything especially CDS related. Whether 'Your forum' or elsewhere. It's like you have a compulsive need to exert your authority.
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You were THE CDS bloke. And then it seemed, you got drunk on your own self sense of importance.
Based on PFI's posts, he seems neither particularly insecure, nor suffering from illusions of grandeur. He also does not seem to have any great need of putting down other people as "less knowing", "ignorant", or other less flattering things at every chance. To the contrary, his reports were interesting reads.
On the other hand I'm having difficulties seeing the point of your post, apart from arguing and to state once again that you do not believe some very rich swedish guy (billionaire, millionaire, whatever, who cares exactly how rich he is) now and then visited estark. Qazwsx5's one-line post was considerably more interesting to read.
Based on PFI's posts, he seems neither particularly insecure, nor suffering from illusions of grandeur. He also does not seem to have any great need of putting down other people as "less knowing", "ignorant", or other less flattering things at every chance. To the contrary, his reports were interesting reads. On the other hand I'm having difficulties seeing the point of your post, apart from arguing and to state once again that you do not believe some very rich swedish guy (billionaire, millionaire, whatever, who cares exactly how rich he is) now and then visited estark. Qazwsx5's one-line post was considerably more interesting to read.I don't care if PFI has a home on the Costa del Sol or not. What I care about is his knowledge and experience with the club scene in Spain (or anywhere else for that matter), which is quite extensive. Looks and feels like more than just a “two-man tag team" to me.
I'll say this sincerely. In all honesty, and hopefully not drawing attention from the Mods - (about drama).
Full of it, you appear to be extremely insecure, it appears you always, always, have to have the final say on everything especially CDS related. Whether 'Your forum' or elsewhere. It's like you have a compulsive need to exert your authority.
You regularly get in to Tit-for-Tat arguments with AE (has it not occurred to you he's pulling you in)? Again you absolutely must have the last word.
It is amusing. More so that you vouch for another implicitly, and feel utterly compelled to back him up. We know who, it's like a weird 'tag-team' dynamic.
Another part of your insecurity, and his too.
Why?
You are now in your sixties? You've already had your pants pulled down on here. Exposed for embellishment. Your property on the CDS. Another figment of your imagination. Which you claimed you were selling to another ISG member years ago (when I initially rumbled you). I pointed this out when you were always posting about staying in Hotels. That's when my initial doubts about your authenticity set in.
You stopped posting in both CDS threads for a long time after you were exposed. It had nothing to do with your view of your perceived childish behaviour. I posture you were embarrassed following the "E92 Swedish Billionaire" nonsense.
Back in 2013 when I first started reading this forum. I used to really respect you, everything you wrote. I followed. You started your own thread Clubs Only I followed that also. Eagerly. You were THE CDS bloke. And then it seemed, you got drunk on your own self sense of importance.
One night a few years ago, I was watching your club forum, you must have been on-line the same time as me. You posted something that could only be described as absolute fantasy. It was along the lines of (You) winning a load of money gambling then doing all (girls) at E92 and Scandalo IN ONE NIGHT. Or something along those lines. I was aghast. You immediately deleted the post. I saw it, others won't have. It was a drawing a line in the sand moment for me.
I really hope the mods don't take this down, as it is a truly honest account of my viewing the CDS threads going back over 10 years. And it should be considered by other readers.Let's start with a positive Jummy. I also don't believe the mods should remove your post. I believe you when you say it's your honest account. Thanks for the kind words about posts years ago.
Now to what you say is "the truth". I can assure you I am not insecure. I've worked very hard in my life, still do, and done well. My job requires me to undertake public speaking internationally. I'm neither shy nor insecure. As for me "wanting to have the last word", well, you are of course entitled to your opinion. But, for me it's not about having the "last" word or "exerting authority". In fact I can prove the latter. This is NOT my forum. ISG allows members to create new forums. I created this forum because I got sick and tired of the debate in the main forum between me and AE about Clubs v Escorts / Villas / Independents. I didn't see a need for the competition, and to be truthful, I didn't really think it necessary for CDS to have two forums. But it's not uncommon. For example, in the Dubai threads there are different forums for Hotels, Massage places and even an online escort agency. So that's why I created the Club Reports Only forum. When you create one, you are the admin for it. That gives you control over the posts. Had I wanted to "exert authority" I would just have deleted every post by AE and you. I didn't. On the contrary, when I stopped posting (due to the childish debates) I notified Jackson (admin) that I no longer wanted to continue the forum and therefore asked if either he wanted to retain it (and take over as admin) or just delete it all. I didn't care one way or the other. I was never asked or told to "give up" that control. I did it freely. That doesn't chime with me "wanting the last word" or "exerting authority". Nobody in these forums has any authority.
My property! I'm afraid you've horribly jumped to conclusions, have put 2 and 2 together and got 7. When I've posted information about me staying in hotels you have presumed that I don't own a property in Spain at all. I'm afraid that assumption is entirely false. In fact I own two properties on the CDS. One in La Zagaleta, and an apartment close to Las Dunas outside Estepona which I rent out, though when I bought it off plan in 2003 it was were I first stayed. Neither of those properties is at all close to either Estark 92, nor Scandalos. Back then, my club of choice was called Oasis. In Estepona. It was close enough (just) even for me to walk to. It's now called Glass Palace. It changed for the worst. I liked my trips down the coast to Malaga. I drive in CDS but I steadfastly will not drink and drive. Not because I'm so righteous but because years ago I lost a friend who was killed in a drink drive accident and it upset me badly. I vowed never to have even a glass of wine if I was driving and I've stuck to it. So if I want to visit Scandalos or E92, or even Cleofas or Fontana I have only two choices: long taxi journeys of some considerable length, and cost, or instead staying in either a local hotel or the club. I choose the latter. E92 has rooms it rents. They are (and have been for a long time) 75 for a standard room and 160 for a suite (that's rooms 201,301, 401 with large round beds). I used to use those but the click clack of girls high heels after going to bed was a nuisance and kept me awake so I abandoned that. So if I head to E92 I stay in one of the hotels in Fuengirola. If I go to Scandalos I stay at Malaga Nostrum because it is next door. For years if I went to Fontana I stayed at Guadacorte Park in LOS Barrios but its now closed so I've found a great new hotel El Tujjar which is actually where the "old" Fontana was (its now revamped in the old E95). I drive to the hotels, check in, park my car up, don't have to worry about drink driving or paying taxi fees home which would likely be the same or more as the hotel costs. So far from having "rumbled" me, I'm afraid my comments about hotels has caused you to jump to a false conclusion that I don’t own property on the CDS. My properties on the CDS are therefore not a figment of imagination at all. The urbanization fees, and wealth tax, (or whatever its called for property are such that sometimes I wish they were a figment of imagination. Rate: generally taxed at 19% (EU/EEA residents) or 24% (non-EU/EEA residents). Filing: Filed annually through Modelo 210 form. Additionally, foreign property owners often need to pay:
• IBI (Impuesto sobre Bienes Inmuebles), a local property tax, paid to the local municipality.
• Wealth Tax (Impuesto sobre el Patrimonio), if the property’s value exceeds certain thresholds (as mine in Zagaleta does).
However, Modelo 210 (IRNR - Impuesto sobre la Renta de No Residentes) is specifically the tax associated with foreign (non-resident) ownership of property in Spain.
I’ve been paying it for years and obviously have an NIE (without which it is not possible to acquire/own a property in Spain).
I don't recall ever deleting a post about winning in the E92 Casino and doing both clubs. I cannot really be bothered to trawl back through nearly 2000 posts to check! It's entirely up to you as to what you believe and don't. I like to have a flutter. I know the girls in E92 think it's madness as I've often lost far more than it would have cost to take several girls to the room. Occasionally, I win. When I do, I like to enjoy it and party a bit. On some of those occasions I've taken several girls to the room. Not because I'm Casanova in the sack. On the contrary, I tend to think that even threesomes are too much for any guy in terms of performance. Certainly one of my age, but I still do it just for a bit of a "party" with 2/3 or even more naked ladies in the room. The optics are great! As for moving between two clubs, there have been several occasions when I've gone from E92 to Scandalos or vice versa over the years (or once or twice from Scandalos to La Sala Divas). The cab fares are annoying as well as the 25-30 min journey (for Scandalos to E92). It's more often than not been because the "offering" in one of the clubs hasn't been great, but by then (a) I would have checked into a hotel so "moving" wasn't feasible and (b) my car would have been parked up and I would have drunk alcohol so driving isn't an option. So I have resorted to taking cabs to see if better options are in the other clubs. I can resolutely say I have NEVER posted in CDS forum, either this one or the main, or in any other of the forums around the World I've posted in, that I took ALL the girls in the club to a room. That isn’t just fantasy it is ridiculous. You say I posted "something along those lines". Nope, wouldn't have done that as I have never "done" all the girls in any club other than occasionally if Cleofas has been really quiet with say only 3 girls and I’ve taken them all for a giggle after playing some pool there. I wouldn’t have ever taken “all” the girls in E92 or Scandalos ever - let alone the eye watering cost. I couldn't have done that when I was 20 let alone in my 60's. I repeat, I've won money, and had a few parties with several girls. I could name most of them! Nothing more than using winnings (for once) and feeling in great mood and going a bit crazy. So if that caused you to "draw the line" as you say it did, so be it. But again you've jumped to the wrong conclusion. Have I posted I've had a great win? Yes (If I had posted every time I have lost there wouldn't be enough bandwidth!) Have I posted that I've partied with several girls? Yes. In one night / session? Yes. At two clubs? Yes. Not something I have done a lot. But great fun when I've done it. A figment of imagination? Nope. Just a true account of the odd occasional party after a decent win.
The Swede is a fact. In one of my recent posts I gave a means of checking him out! Go to E92 and ask either of the two managers, Cornel or Juan. Or the bar staff being mainly David, Nacho or the bouncers (tall black guy John or Javi in particular). They all know of him. I most definitely didn't stop posting because of any "embarrassment" about this. Why would I be embarrassed? I was actually in the Club one night and met Teddybears (do you remember him? If you've been reading since 2013 as you say you have you will). He may remember the wealthy Swede as he was there the night I met him. I stopped posting because of the childish debates (whether you wish to believe that or not).
When you refer to "weird" tag teams the hypocrisy is obvious. You will back AE in literally everything he posts despite it contributing little to this particular forum.
You will have noticed in my last post I was very complimentary of his posts in the main forum. Because of his clear knowledge of villas / escort sites / independents. I like to be balanced. I'm sorry to say I haven't found you or AE to be balanced, though your post I'm responding to was. Whilst it is clear you have (a) jumped to false conclusions and (b) assumed matters not to be true when they are 100% factual, your comments about following my previous posts and having respect were not something you needed to write at all. And if you weren't balanced, you'the have omitted them. I'm sorry to say the other assumptions are just plain wrong.
It all matters not. This is supposed to be an information sharing platform, nothing more and nothing less. It was for that reason that I suggested that AE sticks to what he knows, writing about his knowledge and experiences outside of clubs in the main forum, whilst those of us interested in what's happening in the clubs along the CDS report on their experiences in them. Take Werqweq's last post on them. He doesn't consider E92 to his tastes. Nothing wrong with that at all. I suspect one thing we can all agree on is that E92 is not what it once was. Qaz5 posted about his experience only last Friday, remarked upon the disco being open again and that the quality was good. Maybe it suits his needs more that it does Werqweq or maybe he just got lucky on a good night. I've found (and reported) that it strangely has these ups and downs of great nights and then really poor nights even on weekends. But these are the sorts of reports that should fill this thread. Actual reporting on actual experiences of being in the clubs, first hand comments on quality, girls, etc. Be they positive or negative.
The forum shouldn't be a platform for grown men to engage in silly (as you rightly say) tit-for-tat.
I abandoned the CDS forums for that precise reason though I did continue to post in many other forums (Dubai / Thailand / Bangkok / Pattaya / Dominican Republic / Singapore / Kuala Lumpur / Australia / FKKs). I had a number of people PM me and ask me to return to reporting on the CDS club scene. I don't report in the main thread as I have insufficient experience of escorts to do so. I hate the bait and switch. I'm not a fan of villas where you attend and have to choose immediately from a parade. So I stay away from that thread to leave it to others (like AE) who know far more, other than a very infrequent post about Massage places - for the record -mainly in Malaga and yes, I drive there and normally don't stay in hotels then as I don't drink when going for a massage.
I hope you will read this in the same spirit I read your post.
This isn’t me "having the last word". Feel free to voice your opinion, that you still think I'm "embellishing" or things are a figment of my imagination. It's your right.
But I'm afraid your assumptions are just misplaced.
My last post was a call for common sense. Let's all stick to reporting on our actual proper experiences instead of (a) espousing nonsense about places we don't visit for long enough, or don't use enough to comment upon or (b) continuing the tedious tit-for-tat which I'm sure others must be truly bored reading.
With all due respect Pay For It. Okay, It's TWO properties now? Dear god, perhaps you need to think about that. Further doubling down? One does wonder.
I've got a mate, and every year he holidays on Elevenarife.
When you are in a hole?
And quite why you now feel the need to explain your vocation. Is beyond me. Perhaps you feel it further emboldens your credibility? Most odd.
But, as you say. Let's get back actually reporting.
With all due respect Pay For It. Okay, It's TWO properties now? Dear god, perhaps you need to think about that. Further doubling down? One does wonder.
I've got a mate, and every year he holidays on Elevenarife.
When you are in a hole?
And quite why you now feel the need to explain your vocation. Is beyond me. Perhaps you feel it further emboldens your credibility? Most odd.
But, as you say. Let's get back actually reporting.I provided the information so you could appreciate that (a) I am not at all anything like you thought, not insecure and no illusions of grandeur and (b) so you could realise that you'the arrived at the wrong conclusions.
Happily, none of it matters at all because, for once, we agree. Let's just concentrate on reporting which is what this forum is meant to be all about.
LukasFlirt
03-28-25, 10:14
I was at new scandalo last night, more than respectable entrance fee at 10 €, but then 150 € for half an hour is pretty damn expensive. Were they trying me On? Girls were very beautiful.
I was at new scandalo last night, more than respectable entrance fee at 10 , but then 150 for half an hour is pretty damn expensive. Were they trying me On? Girls were very beautiful.Thanks for taking the time to report from a recent visit. Refreshing.
Was room fee included in the price?
This were my findings around a year ago:
Pricing:
Session fee: I was quoted 130- 150 E /30 and 200- 250 E /60. Most girls will pay the room fee from this amount.
Room fee: 30 E (usually paid by the girls).
Entrance fee: 15 E (gets you one "free" drink).
Selection:
Hard to be precise. Minimum 30- 40 girls in the bar area at peak hours (on a weekend night). Perhaps add 10- 20 who were busy in the rooms, brushing up or arriving late? My best guesstimate is around 35- 50 girls. F / M ratios felt acceptable and never too crowded (from 3/1 to 1/1). 95% latinas (Colombia, Venezuela, DR, Brazil, Peru, Argentina if we are to believe the hearsay). 5% EE girls perhaps.
Quality of line-up:
Good. Not spectacular. First impression very easily put a smile on my face, but after letting the experience sink in you realize there is only a handful of options the you are really interested in. With the latinas dominating the floor let's hope you can handle curves. Plenty of sillies "here and there", but all natural girls also available if you look carefully. Very few really skinny girls. Age group 25- 40 dominating (very normal).
As you can see I found the lineup pretty average with too much silicone (both t&a). Too artificial for me. Were there more natural girls this time? Or are you into artificial t&a?
Also, the lack of EE girls were obvious (95% latinas). Has this changed?
It would be helpful if you could describe "very beautiful" in more details.
LukasFlirt
03-28-25, 16:30
Yes, refreshing indeed!
I'm not sure if the room fee was included, there was no mention of this so I'm assuming so. Even if the fee was excluded, my gut feeling is that this is very expensive for 30 minutes. 100 € at a stretch is fine, or €150 for an hour. Maybe the girls can price themselves high, but I was there an hour and there was very little turnaround and about 10 guests compared to around 30 girls. The atmosphere was very stale, girls more pestering than I'm used to, wanting me to buy them drinks.
No problem with the girls, I could have gone with at least half a dozen, and I'm picky, but not that that rate.
From what I can judge, all the girls were either African or south American.
For me, beautiful is slim in that you show that you look after yourself physically. No massive duck lips. Small improvements aren't off putting.
Question is, are there similar choices in one of the brothels in town? ID happily receive tips.
Thanks for taking the time to report from a recent visit. Refreshing.
Was room fee included in the price?
This were my findings around a year ago:
As you can see I found the lineup pretty average with too much silicone (both t&a). Too artificial for me. Were there more natural girls this time? Or are you into artificial t&a?
Also, the lack of EE girls were obvious (95% latinas). Has this changed?
It would be helpful if you could describe "very beautiful" in more details.
100 at a stretch is fine, or 150 for an hour.
Question is, are there similar choices in one of the brothels in town? ID happily receive tips.You are in the wrong place for that kind of money. Scandalo has always been pricey. And so are the other bars / night clubs on the Costa del Sol (afaik / limited experience).
If you are looking for brothels / appartments in Costa del Sol, then you are in the wrong thread (this thread is only for night clubs / bars). Try raising the question in the Costa del Sol general thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?787-Costa-del-Sol-(Southern-Coast)-Malaga
Also try searching the escortadviser.com review site, loquosex.com and destacamos.com (thanks andie).
On a sidenote: AFAIK, gents searching for night clubs/bars in Spain with girls asking for less than 100E/30 or 150E/60 must go to Catalonia (Haima clubs + Club Calipso).
LukasFlirt
03-28-25, 21:20
Agree about being in the wrong place and fortunately I'm not here for the purpose of mongering. I'll save that for Germany when mongering in Europe.
Thanks for the suggestions.
You are in the wrong place for that kind of money. Scandalo has always been pricey. And so are the other bars / night clubs on the Costa del Sol (afaik / limited experience).
If you are looking for brothels / appartments in Costa del Sol, then you are in the wrong thread (this thread is only for night clubs / bars). Try raising the question in the Costa del Sol general thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?787-Costa-del-Sol-(Southern-Coast)-Malaga
Also try searching the escortadviser.com review site, loquosex.com and destacamos.com (thanks andie).
On a sidenote: AFAIK, gents searching for night clubs/bars in Spain with girls asking for less than 100E/30 or 150E/60 must go to Catalonia (Haima clubs + Club Calipso).
Agree about being in the wrong place and fortunately I'm not here for the purpose of mongering. I'll save that for Germany when mongering in Europe.
Thanks for the suggestions.Thanks for the information. Sounds like Scandalos still over pricing which has been the case now for some time but when it is getting to 300/ hour it is just silly however good the line up. I'm shortly off to Germany too and love FKKs though the price differentials are marked. From 70/30 being available in NRW to 200/250 per hour in FKK Sharks. See my questions recently in the FKK Lounge and Chat thread.
The 30 room fee at Scandalos is included in the price. Did you try to negotiate at all? I have always found at Scandalos if you guarantee most of the girls an hour or even 90 minutes or 2 hours the prices can drop quickly. The problem is that when the starting marker is 150/30 they are unlikely to be tempted by say 400 for 2 hours. Important for anyone attending Scandalos to make sure at the kiosk at the top of the stairs (when you pay) to have a discussion with the mamasan to identify "ok so the time is now xxxxx so my 30/60 or whatever minutes runs out at YYYY time" and get her to agree. I have even said "so you won't call the room before that YYYY time?" Reason for this is that Scandalos is notorious for being called out the room early. Horrible scam. At least at E92, thought the LU might be inferior, the girls take you to their own rooms so they very rarely if ever short change on time.
Enjoy Germany.
Thinking about trying an erotic massage for the first time in Spain.
Love the buildup but want it to end with full service. Anyone that can recommend a good place?
I live in central Estepona. The closer the better.
Went to glass palace a couple of years ago and I felt it was to much hustle. His is it nowadays?
It seems the disco part is again closed, and you have to go in through the casino part, can anyone confirm this, and I think you must show ID to get into club when entering through there? The entrance door to the disco part from outside seems locked.
Andalus Expat
04-12-25, 00:57
It seems the disco part is again closed, and you have to go in through the casino part, can anyone confirm this, and I think you must show ID to get into club when entering through there? The entrance door to the disco part from outside seems locked.I've currently got an ex-Estark girl living with me. (Workname probably Alina from before Covid. Maybe someone here has!) Has been since the autumn. (Maybe a permanency. Who knows?) I might take her down there, she can talk with girls, find out what's going on. Are they charging entrance now? OK, we'll be buying drinks so it's not a money question. I (just object to it on principal. The place doesn't provide entertainment so they're selling you nothing.
One thing I do know is PayForIt's claim the recent police action was normal is bollox. Normal is a couple of coppers dropping in for a chat. 2 cars & 4 vans, double crewed is 12 uniforms minimum. That's about the maximum response Policia National can generate on a night-shift without drawing on another area. Can't say I'm personally bothered about Estark one way or the other. But if PN's got the bit between its teeth about something, might affect other interests. Something I'd like to know.
It would also be my reply to his claiming I know nothing about clubs. It's just that I know them from the other direction. From the horse's mouths, you might say.
Andalus Expat
04-17-25, 23:47
We did as promised & went for a look around. About 25 xicas on the plot & approx 15 guys. Two pairs of which were being ignored. Looked like Maroccis & they're known as being a WoT. There only to ogle. Also what looked like a pissed up golfing foursome. More interested in arsing around than the talent. My companion was surprised how dead it was. Nothing like when she was working there.
Buttonholing a xica wasn't easy. Maybe a punter turning up with his own one threw them. We sat there for quarter of an hour unharassed. So she went to powder her nose & had a try. Some Colombiana tried her luck. Bought her a drink for hospitality's sake. The smallest bottle of cava I've ever seen in my life, barely enough to fill a flute. Tasted more like sweetened apple juice to me. 50€! They really take the piss as well as serve it, don't they? And a total waste of time. Hardly got a word out of her. Seemed very nervous. Maybe she thought the management wouldn't like her talking with us. Struck gold with the second one. Brasileira. Put two Brasileira's together you can't stop them talking.
So the skinny. No it was not routine. Full documentation check & drugs. Several girls didn't make the grade & got carted off. Our new friend said there might be a connection with an event day or two before. Couple of guys got themselves ejected for drunkeness & harassing the talent. Rather acrimoniously. She reckoned they may have had influence locally, hence Plod. Can't help wondering what's transpiring. Proprietors are supposed to ensure the girls have correct documentation to work in clubs. Fines can run to 10 k a head.
Some other info I didn't know. E92 is now totally separate from the other one down the coast. The brothers sold it. Buyer supposedly Romanian. Originally there were 4 clubs. The 2 on the CDS, Madid & Bilbao. (Who now owns the other three, unknown) The girls were rotated around the clubs. My xica worked in them at the time. The Romanian girls going out & giving their earnings to the Romanian men come to collect them was a regular feature.
We did as promised & went for a look around. About 25 xicas on the plot & approx 15 guys. Two pairs of which were being ignored. Looked like Maroccis & they're known as being a WoT. There only to ogle. Also what looked like a pissed up golfing foursome. More interested in arsing around than the talent. My companion was surprised how dead it was. Nothing like when she was working there.
Buttonholing a xica wasn't easy. Maybe a punter turning up with his own one threw them. We sat there for quarter of an hour unharassed. So she went to powder her nose & had a try. Some Colombiana tried her luck. Bought her a drink for hospitality's sake. The smallest bottle of cava I've ever seen in my life, barely enough to fill a flute. Tasted more like sweetened apple juice to me. 50! They really take the piss as well as serve it, don't they? And a total waste of time. Hardly got a word out of her. Seemed very nervous. Maybe she thought the management wouldn't like her talking with us. Struck gold with the second one. Brasileira. Put two Brasileira's together you can't stop them talking.
So the skinny. No it was not routine. Full documentation check & drugs. Several girls didn't make the grade & got carted off. Our new friend said there might be a connection with an event day or two before. Couple of guys got themselves ejected for drunkeness & harassing the talent. Rather acrimoniously. She reckoned they may have had influence locally, hence Plod. Can't help wondering what's transpiring. Proprietors are supposed to ensure the girls have correct documentation to work in clubs. Fines can run to 10 k a head.
Some other info I didn't know. E92 is now totally separate from the other one down the coast. The brothers sold it. Buyer supposedly Romanian. Originally there were 4 clubs. The 2 on the CDS, Madid & Bilbao. (Who now owns the other three, unknown) The girls were rotated around the clubs. My xica worked in them at the time. The Romanian girls going out & giving their earnings to the Romanian men come to collect them was a regular feature.Thanks for info.
Was the disco part open? Did you go in throught the casino or disco? Was there any sort of ID check for casino part?
Andalus Expat
04-19-25, 14:04
Thanks for info.
Was the disco part open? Did you go in throught the casino or disco? Was there any sort of ID check for casino part?Couldn't tell you about the slot arcade (casino? We went in through the hotel entrance. No chiselling for an entrance fee or ID request. Maybe they gave that up if it was happening. And they'd have to restrict to one entrance to do that or need two people manning doors. Cost more than they'd make. I note I made no mention of the quality of the talent. Nothing to write home about. Possibly a couple appealed to my tastes. My friend remarked on how old they were. Her day they were more much younger girls.
Couldn't tell you about the slot arcade (casino? We went in through the hotel entrance. No chiselling for an entrance fee or ID request. Maybe they gave that up if it was happening. And they'd have to restrict to one entrance to do that or need two people manning doors. Cost more than they'd make. I note I made no mention of the quality of the talent. Nothing to write home about. Possibly a couple appealed to my tastes. My friend remarked on how old they were. Her day they were more much younger girls.How many were working that night?
Andalus Expat
04-21-25, 22:33
How many were working that night?It was in my report. Around 25 present. Working? In the time we were in the bar (an hour?) we saw one girl go up with a client. But you need to understand we didn't go there to see how many girls there were. We were interested in the number & type of the men. Meeting the brasileira was just a fortunate by-product, if you see what I mean (grin emoji).
First visit to E92 since January last night. Interesting start to the evening as the new policy in place involves closing the club / disco section until around 11 pm. I asked Juan (Manager) the reason. He explained that previously the casino section of the club was barely used by customers and the change in policy is an attempt to alter that and generate income from customers playing the machines and roulette rather than just stand or sit around the main bar area doing nothing. I was sceptical until I came to play roulette myself and found only one seat available whereas previously they all would be free. So maybe early doors keeping the punters in the games area might indeed increase revenues. What was perhaps most interesting about this change was that when it was made clear that the club area was now open, there was no rush from the casino area and many of the punters and girls remained in the casino area for some time.
I was surprised by just how many new girls have arrived – mostly from South America. Back in the day, E92 was 90% Romanian. Now, I would imagine the EEs are in the minority. There were many new Columbian, Brazilian and Paraguayan girls. That said, many will be away still for Orthodox Easter. There were some attractive additions to the roster. Despite this I ended up doing a threesome with one of my long-time favourites Bianca and her friend Adina. Both slim brunettes. Great fun.
The police raid. Spoke to Juan (Manager), Nacho (senior bar staff) and several girls about it. Apparently, one of the girls who the club evicted (I couldn't find out why) made a formal complaint about drugs freely being used in the club not only in the private rooms but in the public areas. So the actions of a disgruntled girl told she could no longer work at the club. Juan explained that it is correct that police visits are very normal, and occur on a frequent basis. It transpired that no drugs were located / found and (contrary to previous reports) there were no arrests or people (including girls) discarded. I was somewhat surprised they found no drugs at all and it tells me they didn't try very hard to find any. I don't partake- not my thing, but if I had 100 euros for every time I've been offered charlie in clubs I would be very rich! And without wishing to be judgemental, it is a fact that SA girls tend to enjoy farlopa perhaps more than their European associates. I just cannot believe on a night when there was an unannounced "landing" / caida, that police found nothing at all. That leads me to one of two possible conclusions: (a) I wasn't being told the truth and in fact branca was found or (b) I was told the truth in which case they didn't look too hard! Not sure much can be gleaned from any of the above but one thing was certain which is that not one of the staff, management team or girls were the slightest bit bothered at all by any of it – which they consider to be no more than something that goes hand in hand with the industry. One of the newly arrived Columbian girls who had been working in Club Vive in Madrid explained to me that Vive regularly has police visits. In many respects, it's a good thing – better to ensure any substance use is minimised, and any rowdy customers are dealt with. That said the newly installed Assistant Manager at an imposing 6 ft 6" didn't look like someone most guys would want to fall out with!
The club is doing fine, there were plenty of customers for a Thursday evening and I didn't hear many of the common moans about a lack of punters. So there is optimism for the summer months. All the more so given the closure of Miladys and the impending closure of Scandalos which I understand is now only open on certain nights each week.
Andalus Expat
04-26-25, 22:06
First visit to E92 since January last night. Interesting start to the evening as the new policy in place involves closing the club / disco section until around 11 pm. I asked Juan (Manager) the reason. He explained that previously the casino section of the club was barely used by customers and the change in policy is an attempt to alter that and generate income from customers playing the machines and roulette rather than just stand or sit around the main bar area doing nothing. I was sceptical until I came to play roulette myself and found only one seat available whereas previously they all would be free. So maybe early doors keeping the punters in the games area might indeed increase revenues. What was perhaps most interesting about this change was that when it was made clear that the club area was now open, there was no rush from the casino area and many of the punters and girls remained in the casino area for some time.
I was surprised by just how many new girls have arrived mostly from South America. Back in the day, E92 was 90% Romanian. Now, I would imagine the EEs are in the minority. There were many new Columbian, Brazilian and Paraguayan girls. That said, many will be away still for Orthodox Easter. There were some attractive additions to the roster. Despite this I ended up doing a threesome with one of my long-time favourites Bianca and her friend Adina. Both slim brunettes. Great fun.
The police raid. Spoke to Juan (Manager), Nacho (senior bar staff) and several girls about it. Apparently, one of the girls who the club evicted (I couldn't find out why) made a formal complaint about drugs freely being used in the club not only in the private rooms but in the public areas. So the actions of a disgruntled girl told she could no longer work at the club. Juan explained that it is correct that police visits are very normal, and occur on a frequent basis. It transpired that no drugs were located / found and (contrary to previous reports) there were no arrests or people (including girls) discarded. I was somewhat surprised they found no drugs at all and it tells me they didn't try very hard to find any. I don't partake- not my thing, but if I had 100 euros for every time I've been offered charlie in clubs I would be very rich! And without wishing to be judgemental, it is a fact that SA girls tend to enjoy farlopa perhaps more than their European associates. I just cannot believe on a night when there was an unannounced "landing" / caida, that police found nothing at all. That leads me to one of two possible conclusions: (a) I wasn't being told the truth and in fact branca was found or (b) I was told the truth in which case they didn't look too hard! Not sure much can be gleaned from any of the above but one thing was certain which is that not one of the staff, management team or girls were the slightest bit bothered at all by any of it which they consider to be no more than something that goes hand in hand with the industry. One of the newly arrived Columbian girls who had been working in Club Vive in Madrid explained to me that Vive regularly has police visits. In many respects, it's a good thing better to ensure any substance use is minimised, and any rowdy customers are dealt with. That said the newly installed Assistant Manager at an imposing 6 ft 6" didn't look like someone most guys would want to fall out with!
The club is doing fine, there were plenty of customers for a Thursday evening and I didn't hear many of the common moans about a lack of punters. So there is optimism for the summer months. All the more so given the closure of Miladys and the impending closure of Scandalos which I understand is now only open on certain nights each week.We seem to have different version of events, PayForIt. However I'm recalling a conversation between two working girls. And if anyone wants to hear it direct from my one, they're welcome (as always) to drop by. You're a client & clients get told what's good for clients to believe. And I very much doubt it's in the interest of either management or the girls for clients to believe they risk getting caught up in police raids at puti clubs.
As for my description of the club as we found it at 1 AM on a midweek evening, that's mostly the opinion of my amiga. She's worked that club, can recognise a likely remunerative prospect at a glance. Knows whether it's a club she can make money at. (When I met her, her going rate was 200/ h plus & a long list of regular clients here & several other Spanish cities. But, apparently, money isn't everything.) And girls need to be earning the whole week through not just at weekends. Describing the E92 slot arcade as a "casino", please! I'm a habitue of Mayfair's Crockford's. (Mainly for food & social) Even Torrequebrada's is stretching the definition. Or is your benchmark in the Tottemham Court Road?
We seem to have different version of events, PayForIt. However I'm recalling a conversation between two working girls. And if anyone wants to hear it direct from my one, they're welcome (as always) to drop by. You're a client & clients get told what's good for clients to believe. And I very much doubt it's in the interest of either management or the girls for clients to believe they risk getting caught up in police raids at puti clubs.
As for my description of the club as we found it at 1 AM on a midweek evening, that's mostly the opinion of my amiga. She's worked that club, can recognise a likely remunerative prospect at a glance. Knows whether it's a club she can make money at. (When I met her, her going rate was 200/ h plus & a long list of regular clients here & several other Spanish cities. But, apparently, money isn't everything.) And girls need to be earning the whole week through not just at weekends. Describing the E92 slot arcade as a "casino", please! I'm a habitue of Mayfair's Crockford's. (Mainly for food & social) Even Torrequebrada's is stretching the definition. Or is your benchmark in the Tottemham Court Road?I think I know enough people in the club to get honest feedback. They know me well enough to know that whatever they said would not deter my return. I actually think the raids are a good thing for the reasons I explained.
I only referred to it as a casino because that's what the club calls it! I've enjoyed many casinos around the World and for sure this is not a true "casino". But then not many now are casinos in the modern you would have enjoyed at Crockfords. In Australia (Sydney and Melbourne) and Singapore, old fashioned casinos are dead and have been replaced by huge "casinos" which are entertainment complexes with live music / bands / and rows and rows of machines with very attractive male and female "callers" out front. And that is how roulette is now played with the punters located in those crescent shaped rows of machines. Awful. Germany still has "casinos". A good example being the one at Bad Homburg (my go to before venturing to FKK Oase) where entry is only permitted with black jacket, and every table is double croupiered. Quite how they remember with every player playing the same coloured chips I'll never know but they seem to.
Back to E92. For me, it's doing just fine, the options are decent if not exceptional and it was very busy for a Thursday night. I'm really not interested in whether it is a club a girl knows she can make money at or not. I'm there to enjoy it and spend money not to worry about whether the girls are making enough. But then whether a girl can make enough in large measure depends on what she looks like and how she behaves.
Hyperactive
04-27-25, 22:29
Gentlemen, again many thanks for all the suggestions re the areas of Marbella and Malaga made my start here at the CDS a lot easier! I am now considering moving a bit down the coast, past Estepona to avoid the crowds that descend upon the Marbella area during high season. Are there any good mongering opportunities beyond Estepona, incl. Clubs, villas, pick-up spots etc? Many thanks in advance.
Last night. Terrific night in Scanadalos. Enjoyed the company of long term regular here Anna. Ro. despite her two broken fingers in a brace!
Spoke to management. They have a. 5 year lease and do not intend to close anytime soon.
Tonight- Cleofas Campamento. Great fran with Daniella, Serena and Moroccan Sara.
Great fun on the pool table and in the room. Not your 8's or 9's out of 10 but great fun with great girls.
Gentlemen, again many thanks for all the suggestions re the areas of Marbella and Malaga made my start here at the CDS a lot easier! I am now considering moving a bit down the coast, past Estepona to avoid the crowds that descend upon the Marbella area during high season. Are there any good mongering opportunities beyond Estepona, incl. Clubs, villas, pick-up spots etc? Many thanks in advance.Cleofas is just north of Gibraltar in Campamento. The selection wasn't great the time I went, but I had a great time. I believe it's cheaper than other cathouses on the CDS. PayforIt reported that Fontana, which had a pretty good selection, has relocated to someplace around Algeciras but that may be farther west than you want to go.
Andalus Expat
05-02-25, 13:33
Spoke to management. They have a. 5 year lease and do not intend to close anytime soon..https://www.surinenglish.com/malaga/malaga-city/from-brothel-conference-hotel-this-how-scandalo-20250224183219-nt.html
https://www.elespanol.com/malaga/20250222/puticlub-hotel-estrellas-va-reformar-scandalo-malaga/926157393_0.html
https://www.malagahoy.es/malaga/club-scandalo-convertira-hotel-congresos-malaga_0_2003388506.html
Like I said before. Managements will tell you what you want to hear. And you're just another guiri tourist.
The whole business starts with the two basic lies.
She lies she enjoys you fucking her.
You lie to yourself that you believe her.
The gullible are always welcome.
The news stories are barely two months old. No retractions. No denials. And someone's spent a lot of money commissioning artists impressions of the new development. Which implies architects' designs, which don't come cheap.
https://www.surinenglish.com/malaga/malaga-city/from-brothel-conference-hotel-this-how-scandalo-20250224183219-nt.html
https://www.elespanol.com/malaga/20250222/puticlub-hotel-estrellas-va-reformar-scandalo-malaga/926157393_0.html
https://www.malagahoy.es/malaga/club-scandalo-convertira-hotel-congresos-malaga_0_2003388506.html
Like I said before. Managements will tell you what you want to hear. And you're just another guiri tourist.
The whole business starts with the two basic lies.
She lies she enjoys you fucking her.
You lie to yourself that you believe her.
The gullible are always welcome..Who would be attracted to a 4-star hotel in that area? There just isn't enough other businesses, restaurants, shops, and so on around to draw people to that area. Not unless it's all a part of a much larger development plan. Otherwise seems like misguided folly to me. I stayed at the existing hotel next door (assuming it's still there) with New Scandalo being the draw LOL!
Andalus Expat
05-03-25, 20:15
Who would be attracted to a 4-star hotel in that area? There just isn't enough other businesses, restaurants, shops, and so on around to draw people to that area. Not unless it's all a part of a much larger development plan. Otherwise seems like misguided folly to me. I stayed at the existing hotel next door (assuming it's still there) with New Scandalo being the draw LOL!Yes, indeed. There is a much larger development plan. It's been going on for some years. Malaga's trying to shift away from being so reliant on tourism & diversify its economy. There's several other private & public projects either underway, completed or proposed. Hence the recently opened Metro system makes getting around the city so much easier. So, presumably, the owners of the site have decided to participate in it. And as far as Malaguenos are concerned, the closure of Scandalo is about as significant as that of a poodle parlour. Very few frequent it or have even heard of it. And Gallo de Oro & Sala Divas are just down the road.
I'm surprised E92 continues to survive. It really is a very inefficient use of the capital asset. Mostly it operates at a fraction of capacity. It could produce greater net revenue offering regular accommodation.
Visited Scandalos last night (Wednesday). Spoke to several longstanding bar staff, two managers, one mamasan, two door staff known to me and a host of girls asking every one of them when the club was closing. Didn't even get one of them saying "don't know". Nobody has resigned. Nobody seemed to planning to resign apart from one female bar staff member whose Mother has become very ill and requires care. So nothing to do with the club closing. Asked Roberto (Manager) how come the architect plans have been posted on the internet etc. He confirmed that a planning application has been made which if successful will mean the Club's current lease (not due to expire until 2029) may not (rather than will not as reported) be renewed. If the owners of the Nostrum get permission and want the club as it is to close, it would mean buying off the remainder of the lease which would literally cost €millions. As such, he and all the staff expect the club to be open until at least 2029, though there could be a negotiation to allow it to remain as the owners DO intend to retain a "nightclub" as part of a new hotel complex if they get permission and find the staggering cost of investment.
Several I spoke to expressed similar reservations mirroring those set out by The Cane below that a 4 star hotel located on that industrial site would be a ghost town doomed to fail. The notion of "conference centre" is also quite bizarre as it is a deeply unattractive part of town, parking is atrocious (perhaps could be part of the new plans but would take a huge area) and as The Cane rightly stated, there is zero development in the immediate vicinity such that the delegates would have nothing at all to go outside to at least on foot. All in all it just all seems a bit pie in the sky. As Sur in English correctly reported the planning process has only just begun and could well face rejection or a host of problems including the huge cost of investment in what appears to be an entirely misconceived project.
However, it really all matters not. The current owners of Scandalos intend to relocate the Club very nearby even if it does have to move from its current site. The is zero appetite for total closure not least due to the significant profits the club makes.
Enough of the boring stuff! The club was moderately busy with good options though some of the girls are seriously trying to push the price point. The lowest offer I had was from my longtime fav there Lorena (blonde Ro short, very pretty, good body) who offered 250/ hour but accepted my counter offer of 400/2 hours without hesitation. Most wanted 300/hour and one ugly and overweight girl wearing a thong which exposed two buttocks both of which were larger than people’s heads, told me she would do a “discount” for €350/hour!!! I hadn’t even asked the price and told her I was “waiting for a girl I know and see to come down from the room” which was total bull but a way of letting her down lightly!
So it turned out to be the same price as E92 (200e/hour) which currently has significantly more girls working than Scandalos on this showing.
Was very tempted by the stunning Valeria (blonde and spinner but her ass was too large for me!) who wore a floating negligee, bikini knickers (CK) and nothing else. Very tempting but for the Brazilian butt which is not my thing. Anna (glasses is there still but there was no sign of the Romanian sisters). Several girls have arrived from clubs in Madrid for the summer.
When paying at the kiosk at the top of the stairs I made the point of showing my watch, pointing to the fact it was showing 12.05 am and actually took a screenshot there and then and enjoyed a joke with the mamasan / receptionist who I showed the image to to support my plea that nobody should call to end the session before 2. 05 am. You guessed it - 1. 45 am the phone rings. She recognises my voice when I tell her that my screenshot shows I still have 20 minutes left. "S una bromita ma, quillo. " she responded (just my little joke dude!) Hmmmm. The phone rang again at 2. 04 and I couldn't be bothered to moan because I was dressed by then and on the way out.
Zero upsell by Lorena for a drink and great service as ever.
So all the hype about it being the end is no more than that. Yes there is a planning application under way. If granted the owners face either paying off the club and it will relocate, or retaining it. There appears to be quite a bit of life in the club yet. All that said, for me, it's not a patch on E92. Sure the girls are of better visual quality, but the very stark rooms are miserable. Nothing but the bed in most other than room 124 - ask for it as it contains a long red chaise longue which makes for some interesting positions! Add to this the early calling by the receptionist, lady drinks at an eye watering 50 e. (combatted by "I keep my money for upstairs rather than waste it down here" which was universally accepted).
There are only two things Scandalos has over its Fuengirola rival. Firstly, better visual optics at first glance (though the abundance of fat asses is not great if you don't like them) and secondly, its nice to have a hotel right next door rather than cabbing it back from E92 to some dump of a hotel in central Fuengirola. There really isn't one 5 star in the entire area. Higueron is reasonable but no taxi wants that short journey up the hill and it's a bloody steep walk from the club after a few drinks. Not suggesting Malaga Nostrum is more than 3 star (its not) but at least its on the door step and if you want, you can pay to take the girl out of the club to next door so the room isn't so stark and the phone doesn't ring! Before now, I've taken a girl to Nostrum to enjoy a couple of “normal” drinks at totally normal prices in the hotel bar/casino before heading to the room. None of that is possible at E92 - but then when you've paid the 10 e for the sheets you go to the girls own room in E92 which is usually far more homely and she controls the time rather than an over zealous receptionist.
Scandalos will be around for quite some time yet - either on the current site, or, in the unlikely event of it having to move, very close by.
Andalus Expat
05-10-25, 17:23
[Deleted by Admin] I've been regularly making half kilometre taxi rides for years with never a complaint. Sometimes several times a week. The fare's a very welcomed 6 euros, currently. It's easier & faster than negotiating the distance with women on tacones. And I don't think I've ever seen the rank opposite E92 without a cab in the early hours. They seem to roost there. The ride I do is probably less attractive for taxistas because the town one way takes longer to get back on the rank. (Traffic lights) Higueron's an unimpeded up down. They may even be lucky, jump the queue & get an E92 going to Centro as a bonus.
I've been regularly making half kilometre taxi rides for years with never a complaint. Sometimes several times a week. The fare's a very welcomed 6 euros, currently. It's easier & faster than negotiating the distance with women on tacones. And I don't think I've ever seen the rank opposite E92 without a cab in the early hours. They seem to roost there. The ride I do is probably less attractive for taxistas because the town one way takes longer to get back on the rank. (Traffic lights) Higueron's an unimpeded up down. They may even be lucky, jump the queue & get an E92 going to Centro as a bonus.I retract the previous allegation about you not providing any useful experience or content for this forum. A forum about Clubs which you have made very very clear you do not like or attend. Quite why then you continue to "contribute" to these pages is a myth but for once you've provided an incredibly useful post. A truly fascinating insight into the cost of a taxi for half a kilometre. We all now know that (a) it costs 6 euros and (b) there are taxis outside E92. Now they are pearls of wisdom we all would never have known.
Speaking personally, I have never taken a taxi for half a kilometre in my entire life nor would I. A taxi from E92 to central Fuengirola is nearly 6 kilometres. Yes there are always taxis outside E92 and its not the cost I was referring to but the convenience of being able to walk to a hotel room (Scandalos to Nostrum), even if you've forgotten something or just want to freshen up, or (b) take a girl there. They are happy to walk.
I have stayed in Higueron many times. Have you? I doubt you have because you'the have no need given you don't attend clubs. I'm not sure how you consider yourself able to comment upon it without staying there. For what it's worth, (albeit this forum is degenerating into info about hotels and taxi journeys of half a kilometre) its a decent hotel with a fabulous gym (main feature), a lot of active paddle courts and the breakfast in the basement is exceptional. But it is the steep incline that's the killer. Distance from E92 to Higueron is actually 1. 2 kilometers (0. 75 miles) so more than double your estimated half a kilometre. Elevation Gain is 101 meters (so 328 feet higher than street level outside E92) with a gradient of 8. 3% average incline. By way of example, an average male of say 60 years age has a normal resting heart rate: 6070 bpm. Brisk walking on flat ground equates to 90110 bpm. Brisk uphill walking (moderate exertion): 100130 bpm. High exertion (e. G. Steep pace or poor fitness): Possibly up to 140150 bpm, especially if not accustomed to hills. What that means is that walking a 8. 3% incline some 328 feet above starting point. That’s heavy after a long night in the club, drinking and physical exertion in the room.
For those reasons I take a cab outside E92 into a poor standard hotel in central Fuengirola (which is grim).
I’m not sure how you consider yourself qualified to comment on Higueron as you will never have stayed there not liking clubs. It’s got a great gym and the basement breakfast is superb not to mention the splendid Aston Martin DB5 in reception but the walk is a killer.
Anyway, I reported on Scandalos being (a) open (b) not closing and (c) likely to move if the plans are approved because the foreboding of a closure with glee is (again) wrong.
Member of this forum who like clubs can rest assured it will remain an option.
If anyone has any actual reports of activity in clubs those reports would be very welcome instead of diatribes about closures (false) and half kilometre taxi journeys (yawns).
Anyway - I’m off for a walk!!!!!!
Andalus Expat
05-12-25, 16:20
I retract the previous allegation about you not providing any useful experience or content for this forum. A forum about Clubs which you have made very very clear you do not like or attend. Quite why then you continue to "contribute" to these pages is a myth but for once you've provided an incredibly useful post. A truly fascinating insight into the cost of a taxi for half a kilometre. We all now know that (a) it costs 6 euros and (b) there are taxis outside E92. Now they are pearls of wisdom we all would never have known.
Speaking personally, I have never taken a taxi for half a kilometre in my entire life nor would I. A taxi from E92 to central Fuengirola is nearly 6 kilometres. Yes there are always taxis outside E92 and its not the cost I was referring to but the convenience of being able to walk to a hotel room (Scandalos to Nostrum), even if you've forgotten something or just want to freshen up, or (b) take a girl there. They are happy to walk.
I have stayed in Higueron many times. Have you? I doubt you have because you'the have no need given you don't attend clubs. I'm not sure how you consider yourself able to comment upon it without staying there. For what it's worth, (albeit this forum is degenerating into info about hotels and taxi journeys of half a kilometre) its a decent hotel with a fabulous gym (main feature), a lot of active paddle courts and the breakfast in the basement is exceptional.The part of my post the moderator unaccountably deleted changed the entire meaning of what I said. Of course I know the distance from the N340 to the Higueron Hotel. I've lived here for the best part of 15 years. What I was contesting was the ridiculous assertation the taxistas would refuse the ride since I regularly take much shorter ones. And yes, I wouldn't normally do them alone. But since I'm often accompanied by the fair sex, either singly or in numbers it's more practical. It avoids having to negotiate the crowds outside the bars on the Paseo & the streets leading to my apartment by the Plaza de la Constitution are not particularly favourable to high heels. I imagine I live a very different life here than you do. I know a lot of people here. Often I invite them back to my place to continue the evening, sometimes until well after dawn. Pleasant on my terrace on summer nights. The jacuzzi's popular when it's hot. Maybe that's why I don't frequent puti clubs? I don't need to pay women for their company.
I'm inclined to agree with you about the proposed development of the Scandalos site. It's hardly a salubrious area fpr a hotel & business centre with the hoards of street girly infest the poligino. And good luck with clearing them out. They've been trying for years. It's too isolated. That area's mostly industrial parks apart from the small residential island bordered by see / Dolores Ibarruri. So little in the way of shops or restaurants. There is actually a disused station on the Fuengirola-Malaga RENFE line. Platforms are there. Maybe there's some long term plans to change things. But I can't see the Scandalos development failing on planning objections. Who's going to object to it? But I don't think it's a good time time to be doing it. The entirety of the Western economies are beset with serious economic problems & anyone thinks they're going away anytime soon is living in cloud cookoo land. Every indicator is saying they'll get worse.
The question begs answering is the continued existence of the CDS Club section. Actual reports posted by people been in-country are few & irregular. Apparently knowing very little else, you may not appreciate how little interest there is in them these days. Even amongst tourists. You really should look at the local Spanish language forum. And the Spanish are always going to be their main year round paying patrons. They're hardly ever mentioned compared with the tindependents, apartments etc & when they are it's hardly with enthusiasm. Most recent discussions are on how far they've declined in the past couple of decades. I doubt if Scandalos would have any problem relocation. Units in industtrial areas are the norm for Spanish puti clubs & they shouldn't have any problems finding one vacant. It's whether they could attract the clientele to make it worthwhile. Maybe somewhere a lot smaller.
Apparently knowing very little else, you may not appreciate how little interest there is in them these days. Even amongst tourists. You really should look at the local Spanish language forum. And the Spanish are always going to be their main year round paying patrons. They're hardly ever mentioned compared with the tindependents, apartments etc & when they are it's hardly with enthusiasm. Most recent discussions are on how far they've declined in the past couple of decades. I doubt if Scandalos would have any problem relocation. Units in industtrial areas are the norm for Spanish puti clubs & they shouldn't have any problems finding one vacant. It's whether they could attract the clientele to make it worthwhile. Maybe somewhere a lot smaller.The members in those forums become exalted once a somewhat half-reliable hooker, usually in the 30-35 year range, or even older, is discovered. And even those hookers often have reports from other members driving their car for an hour to the appointment, only for the hooker to not bothering answer them once they're in the area and ringing her.
Once or twice I did visit one recommended beauty in the younger age group (25 was maybe her real age), but she was so unattractive that she would have been one of the many I would not have looked twice at in e92. The photos she had sent me were photoshopped, and only my "what the hell, already I'm here, so lets do it then" attitude prevented me from walking back out. Then she started to shout something about lack of respect when I shot my load over her stomach instead of inside the condom. And this was one of the recommended ones.
I don't think there's any point in PFI wasting his time on the spanish language forums unless he wants to practise his espanol.
On Friday night went to club cherie in torremolinos, its quite small, even tho from outside it looks bigger, it has a rectangular shaped bar, beers cost 6 euros, there are a few rooms to the left and right of the bar, there were about 7 working, it was round 10 oclock and 1 or 2 WGs arrived, so maybe too early, there was only one other client who went to the room, the quality from 1 to max 5 , mostly big fat, and over 35's, not really worth it. Didn't even ask for the price.
Estark Saturday nigh round 11 oclock, the disco part was shut, it opens round 23,30 , so you have to go through the casino area, be warned that the guard will ask for your ID and will scan it. Has nothing to do with the place, its due to the regulations related to the gambling and slot machine places, you won't have to show ID if enter by the disco area, that means getting there at round 12 oclock. About 30 to 40 working, 15 guys, quality was mostly brazilians and SA, some big asses, also some EE, mostly the ones who have been there for quite some time, quality wasnt bad, you will find someone you like.
Latest trip last night. Casino rammed with girls and punters at 10.30 pm! There were a lot of new girls I've never seen before. Mix of quality but pick of the bunch Andrea - 19 yr old Columbian gymnast. What a body. Tight in every place, long blonde hair, student, very intelligent girl, great company. For once, I didn't both to speak to any other girl and had a great 2 hours with her. Club was still busy when I returned to the bar area / main part of club. Slightly less punters. Again noticed several new latinas several of whom would be very good choices looks wise. Good to see E92 bouncing again (and midweek).
In Banus. Massage lounge is not FS but the blonde Gaby (Romanian) is stunning and very skilled.
Latest trip last night. Casino rammed with girls and punters at 10.30 pm! There were a lot of new girls I've never seen before. Mix of quality but pick of the bunch Andrea - 19 yr old Columbian gymnast. What a body. Tight in every place, long blonde hair, student, very intelligent girl, great company. For once, I didn't both to speak to any other girl and had a great 2 hours with her. Club was still busy when I returned to the bar area / main part of club. Slightly less punters. Again noticed several new latinas several of whom would be very good choices looks wise. Good to see E92 bouncing again (and midweek).
In Banus. Massage lounge is not FS but the blonde Gaby (Romanian) is stunning and very skilled.Thanks for the report.
Did they also ask for your ID? How many were working? Anyone 8 or 9? Did you see any of the regular ones, stephany?
Thanks for the report.
Did they also ask for your ID? How many were working? Anyone 8 or 9? Did you see any of the regular ones, stephany?Didn't take my ID. I would estimate maybe 30 girls working. Andrea was a solid 8. Couple of others at same level.
Didn't take my ID. I would estimate maybe 30 girls working. Andrea was a solid 8. Couple of others at same level.Hi.
Did you visit again since last time you posted? Quality has improved?
Hi.
Did you visit again since last time you posted? Quality has improved?Nope. Not been back to Spain since. I avoid Spain in July and August. Too hot, too busy, crazy traffic and too many people.
Yes yes, people — it's been a while since I posted a report in here. Been floating around Dubai and such.
I've been to CDS a few times this summer.
E92 – Much better than previous visits. A few good stocks in there. Had a session with an allegedly 18-year-old Colombian, plus a couple of familiar faces. One thing I have to mention: there's a woman who really looks like a trans. One of the girls told me she actually is. No idea how management isn't removing her — literally tricking people into going with a bloke. I almost fell for it, but had a bad gut feeling.
Scandalo – Some lovely stock. Spent time with a cute-faced Flavia and another sexy Brazilian. Mainly SE girls. Drinks are €50 each — felt like I was constantly being hounded to buy when sitting at the bar (maybe that's just what happens if you sit there). Rooms are very dated, but it is what it is.
Havana, Puerto Banus – Great vibe when it's busy. Some good talent, took some numbers and got an incall at a later date. Mostly €300 minimum for an hour. Recommend if you don't want to travel up to the CDS for E92 or Scandalo.
The quality is very good, all the rooms are full, but most of them come down after 11 pm when the disco part opens, don't go before 22,00 as there is nothing interesting. The club is full at round 1 am, but then its harder to get the best looking ones, a few of them reject 30 minutes as they say its wasting their time and not profitable. Lots of SA but also quite a few EEs. I also noticed one which looked a bit strange as nomony says.
This time I rolled into the club around midnight, and yeah. The vibe was alright, not bad, but definitely not the craziest night ever. The casino part? Completely dead like tumbleweed level empty. Everyone was crammed into the club section where the music was shitty as always. The crowd was mixed, mostly tourists, and when it came to the girls, it was almost all new faces. Barely saw anyone I recognized, just a couple of old ones here and there. Most of the girls seemed to be South American, glammed up with big ass and tits. Few EE which is a shame as got to say, the service from SA was kinda sketchy. They'the promise you stuff, then totally bail or not deliver what they said. Not everyone, but enough to notice — made the whole thing feel a bit shady at times.
Drinks were still 10 euros like always (seriously, for beer? But whatever, that's club prices, right? The music was decent, the energy picked up after 1, and even though it wasn't the wildest night ever, it had its moments. Flashy crowd, decent tunes, overpriced drinks — the usual. All in all, not mad about it.
This time I rolled into the club around midnight, and yeah. The vibe was alright, not bad, but definitely not the craziest night ever. The casino part? Completely dead like tumbleweed level empty. Everyone was crammed into the club section where the music was shitty as always. The crowd was mixed, mostly tourists, and when it came to the girls, it was almost all new faces. Barely saw anyone I recognized, just a couple of old ones here and there. Most of the girls seemed to be South American, glammed up with big ass and tits. Few EE which is a shame as got to say, the service from SA was kinda sketchy. They'the promise you stuff, then totally bail or not deliver what they said. Not everyone, but enough to notice made the whole thing feel a bit shady at times.
Drinks were still 10 euros like always (seriously, for beer? But whatever, that's club prices, right? The music was decent, the energy picked up after 1, and even though it wasn't the wildest night ever, it had its moments. Flashy crowd, decent tunes, overpriced drinks the usual. All in all, not mad about it.Thanks for the report. Having recently returned home from some glorious months in Asia, I'm sorry to hear things here are about the same as before.
Not sure how long it will take me before I'll get in the mood of going to e92 again, knowing I will have the hassle of having to confirm with the few decent young non-fatties I might see, if any, that they will suck dick without condom, before going anywhere with them.
Both Madrid and Barcelona sounds so much better in the reports posted here.
Estark – Tuesday, around 10 PM.
When I arrived, the club area was closed, but it seems they're opening it earlier now — maybe around 10:15 or 10:30, depending on how busy it is. The casino section was almost full, with about 30 girls and 15–20 guys.
The overall quality was noticeably better this time. There were around 7 or 8 girls I'the consider going upstairs with. Compared to before, there were fewer issues with DFK and BBBJ — only one girl declined, while the rest were fine wth it. Prices are still the same. It feels like things have improved since summer. I saw some familiar faces, but also quite a few new ones.
New Scandalo – Friday night, around 11 PM.
The place was packed — roughly 50 girls and lots of guys, maybe even more than the girls. I didn't really enjoy it, though. It was hard to find a quiet or relaxing spot, and the overall quality wasn't great. That said, there were about five girls who looked really good — even better than the best at Estark — but on average, I'the say the quality was about the same.
Was at Estark last night. Club was very busy with both punters and a lot of girls. Very good.
News. Scandalos is no longer re-opening (after it closes to accommodate the conference centre) in Malaga. It is moving to Granada. No date yet confirmed.
Was at Estark last night. Club was very busy with both punters and a lot of girls. Very good.
News. Scandalos is no longer re-opening (after it closes to accommodate the conference centre) in Malaga. It is moving to Granada. No date yet confirmed.I was in estark on Monday, at round 10 pm, the quality was quite good actually being Monday, there were about 20 girls and 8 , 9 guys. It seems that the quality has improved since the summer. Did you visit any clubs in the estepona area this time? Please report back on your trip to granada.
I was in estark on Monday, at round 10 pm, the quality was quite good actually being Monday, there were about 20 girls and 8 , 9 guys. It seems that the quality has improved since the summer. Did you visit any clubs in the estepona area this time? Please report back on your trip to granada.Yes agreed there are some new additions who are very pretty. Luminata tall brunette with spinner body is pretty and there is a very sexy blonde Ukrainian girl as well as Maria. Tall sexy Italian.
I haven't been to other clubs at the further west end of the coast but am likely to visit Scandalos for a nostalgic last time before heading back out of CDS early next week.
I don't intend to visit Granada. Just reporting that Scandalos are moving there.
Ok, so visited Scandalos tonight and spoke with someone in authority. Two things to correct (1) the club will remain where it is for approximately 2 more years (so much for the nostalgic final visit! (2) The move to Granada is being mooted but only as another branch of the club. It is thriving so well in Malaga that it WILL reopen when it moves in Malaga but they are considering opening another branch of the Club in Granada.
Had to leave fairly early given change of flights (with one stop) to tomorrow but by 11 pm the club was surprisingly busy.
At least for me, the options / optics in Scandalos are not as good presently as E92. Several girls have moved to the Club from E95 (formerly Fontana in LOS Barrios) but alas not the prettiest ones! Christina from E92 now Alina at Scandalos. Too heavy. Some very interesting options though. Spoke to Ruth blonde Argentinian. When I said I didn't believe her she showed me a photo of her passport on her phone. Sure enough. Argentinian! One girl from Egypt, one from Cyprus (Melina) very sexy brunette, two girls from Morocco and one Spanish (local). The remainder from SA including one tiny girl from Columbia with no big ass and tiny a cups. Not for me. Too many middle aged girls with huge asses and / or figures. The pricing structure has gone awry. I was quoted (for one hour) as low as 150 (less than E92) and as high as 300! Due to early start tomorrow just did one hour with Melina. Reasonable if not exceptional. Quoted 250/ hour but agreed to discount to 200 which included her paying 30 for the room. Contrast this with the standard 200/ hour in E92 where the guy pays Sandra on reception 10 for the sheets etc. So not only are the options prettier in E92, the girls are making more money. That said, there's always the odd big punter. Saw x4 bottles of champagne with the fireworks being taken to a table occupied by 2 guys and 4 girls. One of the girls who I know invited me over and one of the guys was happy to grab me a flute and offer me several glasses of champagne. I declined after one due to need to get to the room and sleep before tomorrow.
So Scandalos in Malaga is due to be there for at least another 2 years. Was told tonight that the proposed hotel / conference centre has hit issues.
Anyone know what happened to anna e92 / scandalao I remember she was last at.
Lost her number is she still working.
Also alicia from 92 is ghost now.
Assuming they both quit.
Anyone know what happened to anna e92 / scandalao I remember she was last at.
Lost her number is she still working.
Also alicia from 92 is ghost now.
Assuming they both quit.If you are referring to the Anna (Ro with glasses) she was still working up to end of last summer. She flits between e92 and Scandalos. Last saw her in E92 but hasn't been there since last August. I haven't been to Scandalos in a while but I expect she returned there.
Alicia (blonde Ro curly hair. Lovely girl) has worked in Geneva for the past 3 years. Went with her friend Nicole (blonde short hair glasses also Rom).
If you are referring to the Anna (Ro with glasses) she was still working up to end of last summer. She flits between e92 and Scandalos. Last saw her in E92 but hasn't been there since last August. I haven't been to Scandalos in a while but I expect she returned there.
Alicia (blonde Ro curly hair. Lovely girl) has worked in Geneva for the past 3 years. Went with her friend Nicole (blonde short hair glasses also Rom).Estark was quite busy 2 weeks ago I last visited, quality was good, some new faces. Don't know Anna, but saw some Ro blonde wth glasses like 2 months ago. Cud be her?
Lots of new faces, many EE, worth a visit.
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