Monterrey

[Member #3453]

Monterrey is so Americanized and copies so much the US style of life that only being here for a peroid of time makes you realize that, and USB is a witness to said thing.

Very true. But, unfortunately they copy what is wrong, not what is right or correct. Taken to it's logical conclusion, and depending on the inference of your comment, which I believe was made quite innocently by you, and with no malice intended toward the USA, the US is once again to blame for what is wrong in Mexico? :-))))))))

See how an innocently made comment, meant to convey harmony, can be twisted, seeming to make one point, while conveying an entirely different meaning depending on the perspective of the reader.

[Member #3453]

Your choke-out report come on 11-11-2010, this before Unospongebobs report on 1-14-2011. How do you previously read his report when his is made after you report?Simple. USB posted about an incident where he actually did have to choke out an hombre that attempted to rob him in Rio. Part of his post was to warn about taxis, and to recommend sitting in the back seat. His report can be found on another forum, and is common knowledge to experienced mongers that truly do read the other forums, and actually do monger, which you apparently DO NOT.

You have been challenged to post one mongering report, and you have posted nothing, other than to accuse many of us of having false screen names. If you want credibility, post something specific about the clubs, the girls, etc.

Gaining credibility is simple. You demand credibility, but you haven't earned it. I have nothing against you, but your accusations are only sabotaging your chances for credibility. Why focus so much on discrediting others, and not upon proving your own credibility with a few reports that can be verified?

As far as more than one hombre making a trip to San Luis Potosi, it does not seem strange to me that more than one hombre travels to San Luis, and reports it. San Luis is a large city. If you are Mexicano, I would assume you know that.

[Member #3453]

Not trying to get in the middle of your little dispute, but I don't think you know mexicanos who ever refer to women thieves as ladrones as opposed to ladronas, no? That should be a huge tip-off right there that he might be a Gringo that make the report, no? Just my two cents.

http://www.Internationalsexguide.info/forum/newreply.php? Do=newreply&p=1127204I'll post the next texts I receive from my girlfriends who are 100% Mexicana, then you can tell us how they are all great spellers, and do not make spelling errors.

Tell you what, I'll do you one even better, I'm going to ask my girlfriends tonight to spell the word Ladronas. That should be a hoot! They can't spell Gato, Gata, nada. Ever heard of a typo?

I also echo what Larbo said. Plus, I do support USB. I agree with USB. If he starts telling me we are all going to die if we monger in Mexico, I'll get on his shit too. I spend a lot of time in Mexico, and USB doesn't hype the realities there.

[Member #3453]

I am a US citizen that visits Monterrey for business, and adds the pleasure of mongering in the evenings. I most certainly am not an invention of any other person on this site!

My opinions, when I choose to express them, are mine and mine alone. If I wish to be drawn into a discussion, it is my choice.

I do not like to be accused of being someone else. Sad. Neither do I. And, I am not Larbo, Parca, or Smith & Wesson, or Angel, or anybody else. I AM USB!

If I was going to create a screen name, I would create it knowing the correct spelling, ie: Smith & Wesson or S&W. But, I do not mean that as a slam against you SmithandWesson, no offense intended. I am too much a stickler for proper weapons...After all, I need to choke out the taxi drivers :-))))), and I would be anal about that distinction with respect to the S&W name. Who knows, maybe "SmithandWesson" is a Mexicano that does not really know the distinction. Could be...or, it could just be an innocent, and perfectly understandable, variation of a name that should draw absolutely no suspicion other than from someone with my sensitivities.

As for the Mangnuss Colorados, or whatever that screen name spelling should be, the man sounded legit to me.

Just because these people with other screen names are agreeing with me, they are automatically accused of being my creations.

The creation and use of false screen names has been going on here for quite some time by some of the disingenuous hackers that are trying to fuck up the forum. But, when they "think" the tables are being turned on them, they come unglued, paranoid that their idea is being potentially used against them, even when it is NOT.

The reality is, mongers can see who does and does not report truthfully about the clubs...That's all I ever claimed to know...I know mongering in the clubs of Monterrey. Somebody else can play tour guide, or civil defense, or town crier, or whatever their goal is in posting.

[Member #3453]

Simple. USB posted about an incident where he actually did have to choke out an hombre that attempted to rob him in Rio. Part of his post was to warn about taxis, and to recommend sitting in the back seat. His report can be found on another forum, and is common knowledge to experienced mongers that truly do read the other forums, and actually do monger, which you apparently DO NOT.

You have been challenged to post one mongering report, and you have posted nothing, other than to accuse many of us of having false screen names. If you want credibility, post something specific about the clubs, the girls, etc.

Gaining credibility is simple. You demand credibility, but you haven't earned it. I have nothing against you, but your accusations are only sabotaging your chances for credibility. Why focus so much on discrediting others, and not upon proving your own credibility with a few reports that can be verified?

As far as more than one hombre making a trip to San Luis Potosi, it does not seem strange to me that more than one hombre travels to San Luis, and reports it. San Luis is a large city. If you are Mexicano, I would assume you know that. Touchet La Parca. Glad you're reading the forums, and taking the advice to heart.

[Member #3453]

"You are not a Mexican" I am as Mexican as you are. Carlos Santana Salvador de Diaz. Born Leon Guanajuato.

"You are a racist. We Mexicans are classists". Classists = racist I see nothing that I wrote that was racist.

"If you were a Mexican, which you are not, EVERY SINGLE LIVING MEXICAN says that guns come from the US".

Lot of misinformed people, guns come from everywhere, right. With all of your reading, surely YOU know the truth.

"If you are not a Monger in Monterrey, but yes, a Mexican. WHY are you reading the ISG?

Why, tell us, please pretty please tells us, why it turns out that you are here in this precise moment of the existence of this forum?" No, not a monger. Actually ISG came up during an investigation into the murder of a Mexican citizen last year in Argentina.

"If you are a Mexican you would be reading the Mexican forums, groups, blogs. Why stick to a forum that is limited in all aspects?" I am not in the habit of reading any forums. As I said this one came up during an investigation. I have no need for forums dealing with prostitution.

" (Please, convince me of the opposite, I want to read from you, if you are a Mexican, that drug trade that ends in the US has Mexico in a state of war)." I agree 100, but how would that prove I am Mexican. Most (99. 9%) of my American associates also agree.

"There are some that want the US to invade Mexico, and that includes Republicans and the common citizen." At this point in time, might not be such a bad idea.

"Cause we have met in other forums and you hate me like hell. Right?" No Sir, we have never met. I am not a member of any other forum.

"So easy to detect your meaning reading between your lines." There is nothing between the lines, just what I wrote.

USB.

"Didn't think he was Mexican either. Mexicanos generally like pointing the finger at the US too much. Even Mexican Americans are too deeply rooted in Mexican culture, pride, and patriotism to sometimes see themselves as Americans first. Dead giveaway that he is not Mexicano, and probably not Mexican / American either."

Key word "generally". I have found over the years that people from Monterrey generally dance to a different drummer. The farther from Monterrey you travel the more ideology changes. I once accepted a case in Monterrey and was there for 13 months. That was enough for me. I no longer accept assignments to Monterrey. Because I don't point fingers, I am not Mexican? Who is the Psychologist here?

Perhaps I was a little too quick to offer my apology but I stick by it. But my original thoughts are imbedded in my mind.

Thanks for the invaluable information you have provided to this forum.

So everyone stand up and shout Hoo-ray. This is my last post to the Monterrey forum.

I am surprised you are not being accused of being my creation, in order to throw off the dogs. That would be such an original idea, create a personality to discredit others and wreak havoc in the forum so as to distract the detractors.

I appreciate your sticking to your apology. I really have no idea if you are, or are not Mexicano...

I can tell that you are highly educated, and your writing ability is far beyond most Mexican Nationals. I can tell that you are a very patriotic American, and that you are offended by undue, and/or unfair criticism aimed at the USA, which I highly respect, something that is not typical of most Mexican/Americans, much less Mexican Nationals, you must admit... hence my skepticism about your origins.

Do not grow too angry with Monterreydude. He is a truly a good guy, and I personally vouch for him without reservation, regardless of his politics. You should meet him sometime if you come back to Monterrey. Peace.

[MonterreyDude]

Your two cents have been accepted. Hadn't noticed the female / male gender thing.

Yes it is. Thank you.


Not trying to get in the middle of your little dispute, but I don't think you know mexicanos who ever refer to women thieves as ladrones as opposed to ladronas, no? That should be a huge tip-off right there that he might be a Gringo that make the report, no? Just my two cents.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1127204

[El Cazador]

Your two cents have been accepted. Hadn't noticed the female / male gender thing.

Yes it is. Thank you.Monterreydude and me both know that is impossible to believe that a mexican that speak the spanish mixup genders. Woman theives always refer to as ladronas and men thieves always refer to as ladrones. Same as rateras and rateros. Monterreydude and me both in agreement that Mangas Coloradas cannot be a mexican and is a gringo. If somebody ever mixup the genders you know that is not posible for them to be mexican that speak true spanish.

The forum know understand the mixup of genders is not posible to be a typo or spelling error as La Parca try to make the suggest. Again it is good for him to try as there is many doubts who is who on this Monterrey forum.

[El Cazador]

I used trustee and the choke out terms based on what USB previously wrote. I agree with USB about the dangers in Mexico, that's all. Peace.Now why not say what USB previously wrote on another forum about what happen with him in Rio.

Because when you say what USB previously wrote and don't make the clarify that the USB choke out report is from Rio.

And another forum 99 percentage of people here going to believe that is from this forum, no?

Now is this Rio de Janeiro or Rio Grande we talk about? Maybe we need to start to clarify things as you confuse names, dates, other forums we don't want to mixup the location aalso now.

[Bbond]

So: The Mexican drug supply ends, tomorrow, does the US consumption of drugs lessen. Indisputable fact: NO.

So: All arms from the US are stopped, tomorrow, do the cartels stop getting weapons. Indisputable fact: NO.

Stop fixing the blame, fix the problem.

The problem is that criminal enterprises are rampant in Mexico, if they can't sell drugs they resort to terror, extortions, kidnappings, whatever they can make money at.

Criminal enterprises in Mexico are what the US experienced (and still does, but not on the level seen now in Mexico), in depth, with the mafias, costra nostra and others, years ago.
But, it is a LOT easier in Mexico where it is extremely easy to buy government officials, police, etc.

[MonterreyDude]

Bbond, American politicians are owned by organized crime (still alive and well in the US) AND corporate mafias.

Come on, that is a world known fact.

It's like we say in Mexico: you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars.

Or do you think that ALL politicians in the US are pretty clean marines?

All the police forces are clean and not in the take (specially NYPD)?


So: The Mexican drug supply ends, tomorrow, does the US consumption of drugs lessen. Indisputable fact: NO.

So: All arms from the US are stopped, tomorrow, do the cartels stop getting weapons. Indisputable fact: NO.

Stop fixing the blame, fix the problem.

The problem is that criminal enterprises are rampant in Mexico, if they can't sell drugs they resort to terror, extortions, kidnappings, whatever they can make money at.

Criminal enterprises in Mexico are what the US experienced (and still does, but not on the level seen now in Mexico) , in depth, with the mafias, costra nostra and others, years ago.

But, it is a LOT easier in Mexico where it is extremely easy to buy government officials, police, etc.

[Member #3453]

Now why not say what USB previously wrote on another forum about what happen with him in Rio.

Because when you say what USB previously wrote and don't make the clarify that the USB choke out report is from Rio.

And another forum 99 percentage of people here going to believe that is from this forum, no?

Now is this Rio de Janeiro or Rio Grande we talk about? Maybe we need to start to clarify things as you confuse names, dates, other forums we don't want to mixup the location aalso now.If the misspelling of Ladronas was so obvious to a legitimate, intelligent, well educated, observant "Mexicano, " why does one very intelligent, well educated, observant Mexicano say to the other that the gender distinction went totally "UN-NOTICED? " (ie: "Hadn't noticed the female/male gender thing. ")

You want to know how my GFs spell Monterrey? "MONTERIE". And they live there!

Most Mexicanos spell things just the way they sound, not the way they are grammatically supposed to be spelled. If you truly are Mexicano, you know this is true.

Your command of English has you misunderstanding many things. The report posted about the taxi occurred in Monterrey. I just borrowed the terminology from USB because of his similar incident in Rio. The same kind of incident occurred in both places, Monterrey and Rio. When it happened, I decided it was wise to convey the same kind of advice on ISG that USB used in Rio. USB didn't give the advice to choke anyone out, he actually DID choke him out, and his report on Rio came to mind when I wrote my post!

The "Choke Out" term conveys perfect meaning. What more would you have someone do that has no other weapons but his hands, arms, teeth, and legs? The Choke Out term was perfect when USB used it, and it is exactly what I would advocate doing were I in his same circumstance in Rio, or Monterrey.

I believe that your command of English may have you misinterpreting the true meaning of the term "Choke Out" anyway. A Choke Out is a way of rendering someone eventually unconscious, not necessarily killing them, but taking them under your control when you have no other weapons at your disposal. I have nothing against Taxi Drivers in general. But, when a criminal, who just happens to be driving a taxi, is intent on robbing, kidnapping, or killing you, I assume that even a Mexicano would strive to protect one's self, no?

Assuming escape was not an option, and you were increasingly under the control of the criminal as he drove away from El Centro, toward the outskirts of Monterrey, and if you could not exit the locked doors of the taxi, which was USB's circumstance, would you wait and fight the individual on his terms? In Monterrey, would you wait until you are poised along the rim of the mass grave on the outskirts of "Monterie, " where he may have also acquired weapons and be in a position to easily use them against you, or strive to take control of the situation from behind the driver before he is able to gain the advantage. I'll take my chances in El Centro, and once I had warned him several times to take me where I asked him to take me, I would not give him the opportunity to gain the upper hand.

As for which "Rio" this incident occurred in, anyone who actually mongers knows the answer. It is a natural assumption. Do you really think that a mongering "animal" like USB would waste his time in Rio Grande? You must be joking.

[Member #3453]

Bbond, American politicians are owned by organized crime (still alive and well in the US) AND corporate mafias.

Come on, that is a world known fact.

It's like we say in Mexico: you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars.

Or do you think that ALL politicians in the US are pretty clean marines?

All the police forces are clean and not in the take (specially NYPD)?

Ha Ha Ha, as bad as the police corruption can sometimes be in New York and Chicago, they pale significantly in comparison to any department in Mexico, not matter which one you want to compare. The problem is, there are NO reliable statistics to compare Mexican departments with US departments. At least in the US, the statistics for comparison exist. In Mexico, they cover EVERYTHING UP, and I MEAN EVERYTHING!!! Huhmmmm, that's convenient...

Actually, New York's reputation has come up quite a bit in the last ten years. Chicago still has it's reputation in tact for graft and corruption though.

" you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars."

Common' !!! It costs more to live in the USA!!!!

Simple comparison, considering equal quality and comparable lovely appearance.

H**ker = $1300 pesos in Mexico (sometimes for hours on end)

H**ker = $6000 pesos in the USA (at least $500 bucks for (1) , ONE, Count-em, ONE HOUR-NO MORE).

Mexicanos are getting 1 million pesos, and Gringos are being short changed based on the cost comparison of living large in the two countries...

I REST MY CASE...

[Bbond]

Bbond, American politicians are owned by organized crime (still alive and well in the US) AND corporate mafias.

Come on, that is a world known fact.

It's like we say in Mexico: you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars.

Or do you think that ALL politicians in the US are pretty clean marines?

All the police forces are clean and not in the take (specially NYPD)? Read again the last line of the post:


But, it is a LOT easier in Mexico where it is extremely easy to buy government officials, police, etc.I believe that the whole damn political world is corrupt, it's just a lot easier in some places.

I lived in the USA for 50+ years, never lost a dime to a crooked cop, sure as hell can't say that about here in just 2 years, or in Juarez in just a few visits. I have never been shaken down or extorted by anyone other than Mexican police and transitos.

[MonterreyDude]

Don't rest your case.

NYPD has never changed it's ways.

I think you do not see the signs. We do, cause we are use to it.

And they are wide open in the US, you turn a blind eye to them and don't see them.

It's all over the US.

Crooked politicians.

I don't have time to look around, but how about the former New York the.

The New York Police chief under Guliani.

The former governor of Illinos selling Obama's seat.

Examples all over the 50 states and in many instances, nothing happens to these guys.

All Congressmen and Senators one way or another are bieng paid by corporate America. That is a form of instutionalized corruption.

Legal corruption. Legal kickbacks.

I know from reading the newspapers of some congressmen and senators that get as a prize private jobs in the private sector after favoring certain sectors of the industry with laws that favor them.

(By the way, Congress is cooking a way to get rid of the FDA and the EPA or at least remove the fangs. That will leave you so defenseless against corporate America)

You do not see the signs.

There are there but now it turns out you are living under a false sense of patriotism.

Nothing is wrong in America. The system works in America.

No it doesn't and it will get worse and worse.

Middle class in the US is dissapearing. Poverty is rampant and increasing.

Big corporations are outsourcing, and will not stop.

US is in terrible debt to China.

You are living in denial.

Contrary to that, we know we are in a terrible terrible state, which we hope, will change.

But we know exactly when we are lied, and when we are bieng told pious lies.

And truth is so welcomed that we embraze it.

Meanwhile you believe ever single lie that comes from the White House, Congress and the Senate.

Big example: Irak has weapons of mass destruction.

The US invaded two countries under this pretense and now that the truth is known (for a long time now) , you still believe in your country.

Two usless wars and still ongoing wars that shed no light when they will end.

You see? You are living in a State of Deception.

And you say that Mexico is corrupt?

Two wars, thousands of Americans dead, thousands of disabled Americans that have been totally forgotten, maltreated, left to their own fortunes.

A part of the world compleatly distabilized in favor of anarchism and radicalism.

Just for the sake of non exsitant WMD. A lie your goverment fed you and you believed and still to this day, in reality, the general populus of the US just doesn't care as long as they can get their next generation iPad.

And. The US is not corrupt?



PS: You are right, it is cheaper to live in Mexico. Compleatly true.
And the food is safer than the e-colli infested meat and produce that the growers in the US want to blame Mexico for, instead of accepting the blame for the unsanitary conditions of their own corrupt laden ways of the industralization of food in America.




Ha Ha Ha, as bad as the police corruption can sometimes be in New York and Chicago, they pale significantly in comparison to any department in Mexico, not matter which one you want to compare. The problem is, there are NO reliable statistics to compare Mexican departments with US departments. At least in the US, the statistics for comparison exist. In Mexico, they cover EVERYTHING UP, and I MEAN EVERYTHING! Huhmmmm, that's convenient.

Actually, New York's reputation has come up quite a bit in the last ten years. Chicago still has it's reputation in tact for graft and corruption though.

" you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars."

Common'! It costs more to live in the USA!

Simple comparison, considering equal quality and comparable lovely appearance.

H*ker = $1300 pesos in Mexico (sometimes for hours on end)

H*ker = $6000 pesos in the USA (at least $500 bucks for (1) , ONE, Count-them, ONE HOUR-NO MORE).

Mexicanos are getting 1 million pesos, and Gringos are being short changed based on the cost comparison of living large in the two countries.

I REST MY CASE.

[Member #3453]

don't rest your case.

if i produced an itemized list against mexico, the list would be ten times as long. trust me, you do not really want me to post it here. you know how i can be. but, mexico definitely has it's "attractions," so i do not want my meaning to be misconstrued. i love mexico, and would not spend the time here that i do were i adverse to it's culture and society.

i did not say things were perfect in the usa, or that the usa is utopia by any means. but, living standard for the average, and even the lower income citizens in the usa, is still considerably better than anywhere else in the world, and that goes for mexico in spades.

remember, i have actually traveled the world extensively, and i know what i am talking about having been in many countries, and having seen the true reality with respect to the lifestyle they afford their citizens, even those that the world considers cosmopolitan and progressive societies.

i never said that things have not deteriorated with respect to the usa of today versus the usa of yesterday. in my own personal opinion, things are deteriorating compared to the usa of yesteryear. but, compared to the politics of yesteryear, the usa has become incrementally more leftist in it's perspectives. the political shift in america is to blame for it's decline.

if one only accepts all the anti-us rhetoric, much of which is leftist by design, and one's perspectives are strictly from "their" perspective, and according to their agenda, one will never be truly enlightened, only used by them.

i do not trust the news networks. they are strictly in business to "sell" hype and sensationalize all aspects of the news for profit. the news networks are generally infested with only leftist, anti-american thinking journalists. this is a known fact. why would i indulge their rhetoric? after all, i am a patriot, not an america hater!

if one doesn't balance out what they read and hear from the media, one risks becoming one of their lemmings. but, for those that have an apologist, anti-american viewpoint, including leftist american citizens, mostly because of their position in life, their job, their society, their family, their origins, etc...they can only be publicly comfortable with a leftist, anti-american, apologist viewpoint, or be rejected from within their chosen professions, social groups, families, etc...the alternative is to be criticized and eventually expelled from their social network and work groups, and to jeopardize their financial position within life's assigned social structure, an assigned social structure orchestrated by most as a result of the choices they made in life concerning their vocation and social alliances at a very early age.

peer pressure is huge with respect to the leftist viewpoint, and the ability for one to exist within their "group" is cultural and social suicide when they begin to think intelligently. so, in order not to make waves, they jump on the leftist, anti-american bandwagon, caring more about getting through life in their chosen profession, and with their social groups, rather than actually analyzing the rhetoric that comes from the anti-american, leftist, ameri-apologistizing media complex.

[El Cazador]

Monterreydude and me have the agreement that Magnas Coronadas is a gringo and not a mexicano.

http::/www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?442-Monterrey&p=1117076&viewfull=1#post1117076

My question is what gringo make one report to make the adulation of unspongebob and make the ridicule of me? It very much confuse me. But what does not confuse me is I believe that the person that make the report, who is a gringo and try to make believe is a mexicano, need to maybe see a doctor and maybe need to start to take some medication.

[Bbond]

And. The US is not corrupt?You are so right, the US is fucked up.

Now if you could convince all the rest of the world that, INCLUDING MEXICANS, South and Central Americans, Asians, Africanos, et al, that risk their life to get there. Just maybe you would be doing them some justice?

[Member #3453]

Uhhhh-Ohhhhh!

Guess who wants to outlaw Nevada's brothels?

Time to rethink your political affiliations.

Freedom concerning personal choices with respect to finding and fucking beautiful hot babes legally within the borders of the USA was the only policy position that I ever truly agreed with "them" on.

What a shame...The honeymoon is OVER! :-)))

Not that Nevada ever offered a selection of girls that even remotely came close to what we find routinely in Mexico.

Fortunately, I am in the land of true leftist rhetoric and political positioning, and I have nothing to fear from Harry Reid's most recent foolish dribble...

Harry Reid is the staunches defender of leftist, Democratic, Socialistic thinking, the LEADER of the Left Wing political party in the US.

What say you now???

How, pray tell, can you defend the rhetoric of the LEFT in this circumstance...I am dying to read your rebuttal. :-)

And, remember, I am NOT a Republican...I am a Libertarian. So, pointing fingers at the religious right, etc...has NO effect upon me, and they DO NOT match my own politics.

[Bbond]

Read another report that reiterated that 2000 guns from the US cross into daily Mexcio.

You believe that? I don't.

No one has every justified that number. Damn that would only be 730, 000 a year.

[Member #3453]

Read another report that reiterated that 2000 guns from the US cross into daily Mexcio.

You believe that? I don't.

No one has every justified that number. Damn that would only be 730, 000 a year. Anti-gun Lobby rhetoric. They think they can lie about the guns being smuggled into Mexico so they can restrict guns in the US more. It's so obvious it's laughable.

[Larbo]

Read another report that reiterated that 2000 guns from the US cross into daily Mexcio.

You believe that? I don't.

No one has every justified that number. Damn that would only be 730, 000 a year. Everyone knows that all the guns being smuggled into Mexico is part of an evil plan by the USA anti-gun lobby to keep evil guns out of the hands of honest citizens. They plan to dry up the supply by shipping all the guns to Mexico. Their plan is becomming increasingly difficult to implement though, because there is a shortage of trucks to haul them, as they are all in Mexico getting guns unloaded.

On a lighter note, I will be in Monterrey for 11 days and glorious nights starting this Monday. I will probably be in Infinito's Monday evening around 8:00pm, which is about as quickly as I can get there after check-in at the hotel. I like Infinito's on Sunday or Monday, as most of my regulars do not work then, and I can find some strange.

I will probably stop in several times again after I have satisfied my regulars. They do not really mind me taking someone else after I have "dated' them, as they all know that I rarely "date" the same girl twice in the same trip. Usually anyway. Sometimes I get an earfull. That is when I ask them if they really want to marry me! That usually settles them down a bit.

Anyway, I'm not a bit worried about the "situation" down there. I see no practical difference between Monterrey and Lagos, Port Harcourt, Dhaka, Rio, or any of the other places work takes me. The standard, common sense precautions I mentioned in an earlier post are all that is required.

[MonterreyDude]

excuse me.

who is lying?

the 1000 guns confirep001e in 30 days, the gun that killed the ice agent that was traced back to texas?

and again, wake up from the honeymoon with your country. you are being lied at.

from both side, politicians and civilian organizations like the nra.

and you are so blind you don't get it.

so, is it a lie that 1000 guns were confirep001ed in 30 days?


anti-gun lobby rhetoric. they think they can lie about the guns being smuggled into mexico so they can restrict guns in the us more. it's so obvious it's laughable.

[Doubt98]

Isn't the Country itself ultimately responsible for what crosses into it? And yes I mean drugs into the US and guns into Mexico.

[Member #3453]

Who is lying?

For the third consecutive year, violent crime has declined in the United States, and violent crime in the US is significantly below that of Mexico, all at a time during which firearms sales have escalated in the US.

So, if the availability of illegal "firearms" in the US is the culprit, we should be seeing a statistical increase in violent crime in the US too, right?

I mean, logically, if the illegal availability of firearms is so widespread a condition in the US, why would the criminals limit the distribution of their illegally obtained firearms to Mexico, and not capitalize on the sale of illegal firearms in the US, where distribution of same would be 1000 times easier, and just as profitable?

See, blaming the availability of "firearms" in the US for the "REAL" problems in Mexico just isn't logical, nor is it statistically supportable.

Legally available firearms have contributed very positively to solving the crime problems in the US. Why should the US change direction with respect to solving it's crime problems successfully just because Mexico can not deal effectively with it's own crime problems?

The US has no obligation to sabotage it's proven statistical successes with respect to legal ownership of firearms by it's citizens, certainly not so with respect to it's own declining crime rate, and the direct correlation that legal ownership of firearms has had on the declining crime rate in the US only to benefit the finger pointing rhetoric coming out of Mexico.

[Bbond]

so, is it a lie that 1000 guns were confirep001ed in 30 days?30 days at 2000 per day = 60, 000.

you believe that?

anyway that leaves 59,000 unaccounted for. you believe that too?

i have this real neat bridge, i'll let it go cheap.

[Beavis]

This thread has certainly been entertaining. Yes it is for sure that there has been plenty of violence in Mexico but the CNN (or whatever your flavor or prick media) has sure had fun with it. I still go to Mexico regularly, people often ask,"Aren't you scared?" No I am not, I have been places that can scare you, Mexico isn't one of them. If one is looking to be killed I don't need a passport to show you where. If Obongo gets re-elected I look forward to living on Mexico.

[Member #3453]

This thread has certainly been entertaining

Yeah, our recent comments seem to reflect either a lack of interest in our girlfriends, or an increased passionate interest in politics.

I never thought I'd see the day that discussing politics would prove to be more interesting to us than discussing our GFs.

What does that say for our girlfriends?

[Member #3453]

Everyone knows that all the guns being smuggled into Mexico is part of an evil plan by the USA anti-gun lobby to keep evil guns out of the hands of honest citizens. They plan to dry up the supply by shipping all the guns to Mexico.

Very enlightened indeed, and not a bad theory!


:-))))

[Carlos Perez]

A taxista job is a job that is good and people do not take for granted. These people work many hours a week and can make $800-$1000 pesos after expenses in a 12 hour period. Never in the news or with friends here do you read or hear of taxistas try to rob the clients and there is a reazon for this. A reazon people that live here or spend much time here know of.

A taxista job is like the beéisbol game. Three strikes and you out. If a taxista recieve the complaint from the client he is give first the warning. The second complaint and the taxista lost the license for three months and have a $2500 pesos fine. Three complaints from the clients and the taxista lose the license for permanent and the company is made to pay the government $20000 pesos penalty to get the car back. Generally after one complaint the taxista have the hard time to find the company that give him the opportunity to drive the taxi because he is believe to be a puñeta and a antagonista. Every warning that a taxista recieve from the client is put into the permanent computer system for all to see. You can make the complaint at many locations in the city and any taxista will tell you where. I believe that some taxista may try to drive you around to make the rate higher but you can simply get out and find one more and not have to make the violence and be a antagonista.

Now if you behave like a gringo pendejo and attempt a Bruce Lee kungfu choke out move you will end up in jail or maybe something worse. Taxistas have the together friendship and if a taxista see another taxista in a Bruce Lee kungfu choke, he going to stop and help the other taxista. You have a good chance to recieve much pain and that maybe end in the hospital.

I suppose the moral of the story is that if you take the avice of a puñeta you may end up to be a pendejo.Thanks for the summary on taxis. Other than spending four years in the US attending college, I am a life-long Monterrey resident and never knew these info. Although I never use taxis, it's good to know that we have retribution if a taxi were to violate one of our traffic laws.

By the way, anyone with half a brain knows that the unspongebob guy is Mangas Coloradas. You made your point, move on.

[Larbo]

I flew into Monterrey last night about 6:00pm. Was going to go to Infinito's, but changed my mind. One of my new favoritas works at El Infi, I wanted a serious hard core session, and she is just the girl for it. I didn't want todo la noche, as I was still a little jet lagged from a recent trip to Bangladesh.

I just sat down at my regular table, had a few seconds to look around, take two sips of Tacate, and she appeared in my lap. A quick negotiation for a three hour session, and she was back upstairs to change.

While she was changing, I took a look around at what else was available. There were several ¨new to me¨girls there. Two of them were slim with naturals, and very doable for me. Something to look forward to? Little Infi had a total of ten to choose from while I was there. My new regular and the two new slim ones were the only ones that interested me, but if you like a slightly heavier girl, there were three that you might like to look at. The other four were somewhere between a four and a six on my scale, and not doable at all for me.

The manager wants 600 pesos for salida fee. I told him last time I was in that 600 was totally unacceptable, and that Infinito's only charges 350. His excuse was that he had only a few girls, and if he charged less and they all went on salida, he would have no dancers. A valid response, but I countered that all I needed to do was get the girls cell number, and he would get no salida at all the next time. Needless to say, we settled on a compromise that was acceptable to me. You can do the same.

All in all, the girls were a step up in the right direction, as the last two times I was there the selection, except for my favorita, was dismal at best.

Had a GREAT session when we got to my hotel. Could only finish twice in the three hour session, as she literally had me howling the times I did.

I am on my way to Infinito's as soon as I submit this report. It is only 4:30pm, so I expect to get there about 5:15or so. I like to go early the first few days of my trips to check for any strange before my favoritas show up around 7:00. Then I use my cell the next few days to satisfy the regulars that haven't pounced yet.

If you happen to be at Infinito's early one day, and see a brown haired, blue eyed gringo with a short trimmed full beard, stop over to my table and say Hello. I am usually there for only an hour or so. Just enough time for two beers and make my selection.

Oh, by the way, if I make any spelling errors, or missuse any Spanglish terms, it only proves that I really am a gringo.

[MonterreyDude]

Larbo. This part: "I needed to do was get the girls cell number"....

... that is an invitation for the manager to kick the girl out under the suspicion that if she's not working, she's with you.

Never ever mention to the waiters / manager or any other girl, that you have your favorita's cell phone number.

They might suspect you have it, but there is no need to confirm it.


I flew into Monterrey last night about 6:00pm. Was going to go to Infinito's, but changed my mind. One of my new favoritas works at El Infi, I wanted a serious hard core session, and she is just the girl for it. I didn't want todo la noche, as I was still a little jet lagged from a recent trip to Bangladesh.

I just sat down at my regular table, had a few seconds to look around, take two sips of Tacate, and she appeared in my lap. A quick negotiation for a three hour session, and she was back upstairs to change.

While she was changing, I took a look around at what else was available. There were several ¨new to me¨girls there. Two of them were slim with naturals, and very doable for me. Something to look forward to? Little Infi had a total of ten to choose from while I was there. My new regular and the two new slim ones were the only ones that interested me, but if you like a slightly heavier girl, there were three that you might like to look at. The other four were somewhere between a four and a six on my scale, and not doable at all for me.

The manager wants 600 pesos for salida fee. I told him last time I was in that 600 was totally unacceptable, and that Infinito's only charges 350. His excuse was that he had only a few girls, and if he charged less and they all went on salida, he would have no dancers. A valid response, but I countered that all I needed to do was get the girls cell number, and he would get no salida at all the next time. Needless to say, we settled on a compromise that was acceptable to me. You can do the same.

All in all, the girls were a step up in the right direction, as the last two times I was there the selection, except for my favorita, was dismal at best.

Had a GREAT session when we got to my hotel. Could only finish twice in the three hour session, as she literally had me howling the times I did.

I am on my way to Infinito's as soon as I submit this report. It is only 4:30pm, so I expect to get there about 5:15or so. I like to go early the first few days of my trips to check for any strange before my favoritas show up around 7:00. Then I use my cell the next few days to satisfy the regulars that haven't pounced yet.

If you happen to be at Infinito's early one day, and see a brown haired, blue eyed gringo with a short trimmed full beard, stop over to my table and say Hello. I am usually there for only an hour or so. Just enough time for two beers and make my selection.

Oh, by the way, if I make any spelling errors, or missuse any Spanglish terms, it only proves that I really am a gringo.

[Member #3453]

if I make any spelling errors, or missuse any Spanglish terms, it only proves that I really am a gringo.

The fact that they were trying to screw you with the 600 pesos bar fine, and from one of the lower end bars at that, is inclined to prove to me your racial status with respect to your being a Gringo. That's very consistent with the way things really are in Monterrey...

But, of course, you negotiated their little attempt at larceny to an acceptable level, and that demonstrates that you know what you're getting yourself into. And, often, especially with visitors that have time constraints, negotiating the bar fine to what you know is a slightly escalated amount is better than wasting time by running all over town, and trying to find other options just to save a few pesos. Sometimes, you just have to weigh things and do a time/cost benefit analysis, and roll with it. I've had to do that many times.

I've had the same thing tried with me, but usually at the medium level bars, ie: Pasarelas and Azul Tequilla, where they will try to get an extra 100 or 150 pesos from me on occasion, especially if you are a Gringo, and especially if the waiter doesn't know you. Using the original El Infinito as a bench mark in negotiating with the lower end bars works every time. If they have any business acumen at all, or they count on making any extra for the night, they don't want you leaving their bar for the grand daddy of them all, where they know you'll have almost limitless possibilities, and rock solid bar fines.

When I find myself having to negotiate with them, I often act as though the girl is no longer my fancy, often telling the waiters and managers that I wish they had more selection, acting frustrated with their being too few girls, maybe even putting them off when they ask me if I want to see the girl that they know is my favorita, etc. I will often stroll in, look around, act frustrated with the selection, stroll out, sit for a while at another bar to kill some time, then return to start the negotiation, all the while knowing that my interest lies with my favorita, but planting the seeds of doubt in the minds of the waiters and manager that I might not return. It's like buying a car, and toying with the salesman, leaving countless times until you finally wear them down.

You would be surprised how they come around to my way of thinking with respect to their quoted bar fines, nervous at the prospect that I might move quickly on to greener pastures. But, time is everything. In your circumstance, visitors to Monterrey often don't sometimes have the time to invest like those that live in Monterrey do have. I remember when I used to visit for a few days at a time, I had significant pressure on me to make things happen within a defined time frame.

By the way, which girl friendly hotel do you like to stay at when you visit Monterrey? Do have any problems getting the girls in there? I need some current recommendations because I've kind of lost touch with respect to acceptable hotel recommendations. I haven't needed to use one in so long, and my own range of past options is on a really short list.

[Larbo]

I have stayed at the same hotel for the last five or six years. Virtually everyone there knows me and accepts that I will be bringing a girl to my room most nights. They also have no problem with any co-workers I may have with me bringing girls in. The key here is not to flaunt it in any way. Just be your normal friendly accepting self and don't cause any disturbance for the rest of the guests. Visit the attached restaurant with the girl, assuming of course, that she is acceptably dressed, and spend a little money on a meal. It becomes a win win situation, and the staff gets to rate your catch in a little friendly conversation after she is gone.

I really am hesitant to reveal the name of my hotel, as I do not want a good thing screwed up by some jerk that can't act respectably, but have decided that this particular hotel would not be suitable for that kind of person anyway.

This is a small, locally owned hotel a 50 peso cab ride from zona centro. The name is ¨Best Western Royal Courts¨. It is located in San Nicolas, on Universidad, right across the street from the Holiday Inn. It is in a very safe location with a lot of bright lights and traffic. Farmacias, banks, restaurants, and Sorianas are all within a few blocks. It is a courtyard type of hotel with outside entrances to all the rooms. Very convenient from that perspective. The cab pulls right up to your room door and drops you off. There is security, but unless you are being disruptive, there is absolutely no problem. The 50 peso cab ride is merely the price you pay for all the advantages.

[Member #3453]

I have stayed at the same hotel for the last five or six years. Virtually everyone there knows me and accepts that I will be bringing a girl to my room most nights. They also have no problem with any co-workers I may have with me bringing girls in. The key here is not to flaunt it in any way. Just be your normal friendly accepting self and don't cause any disturbance for the rest of the guests. Visit the attached restaurant with the girl, assuming of course, that she is acceptably dressed, and spend a little money on a meal. It becomes a win win situation, and the staff gets to rate your catch in a little friendly conversation after she is gone.

I really am hesitant to reveal the name of my hotel, as I do not want a good thing screwed up by some jerk that can't act respectably, but have decided that this particular hotel would not be suitable for that kind of person anyway.

This is a small, locally owned hotel a 50 peso cab ride from zona centro. The name is ¨Best Western Royal Courts¨. It is located in San Nicolas, on Universidad, right across the street from the Holiday Inn. It is in a very safe location with a lot of bright lights and traffic. Farmacias, banks, restaurants, and Sorianas are all within a few blocks. It is a courtyard type of hotel with outside entrances to all the rooms. Very convenient from that perspective. The cab pulls right up to your room door and drops you off. There is security, but unless you are being disruptive, there is absolutely no problem. The 50 peso cab ride is merely the price you pay for all the advantages.

The BW hotels are within the exact category where you'll have the least amount of problems, ie: locally owned, low key, etc. And, they're reasonably comfortable, reasonably priced, etc. I do like the idea of having the taxi pull up to the door. That helps keep things really low key too, and it avoids the otherwise typical "walk of shame" through the lobby. Sounds like a good choice!

[Larbo]

Got to Infinito`s about 5:15, right on schedule, expecting to be able to scope out some strange and make an escape before my regulars arrived. No way Jose did that happen. I sat down at my regular table just as the meat rack call started pounding out, and up onto the stage marches two of my regulars and one girl I had taken as a strange last trip. All three looking down at me and expecting something.

I gave the two regulars a palm out wait a minute signal, and called the former strange to my table. She was a very good basic session last time, and I wanted to see if she would take any special action. We agreed on terms and conditions, and when she was upstairs changing, I made satisfactory dates with my two regulars. So, I will not be in Infinito's for the next two days.

The session with the second timer was very dissappointing. Not that she was any different than the first time, but that she had agreed to something she couldn`t or wouldn`t do when I got her to the hotel. That seems to happen sometimes, and is something I cannot predict. I merely make the best of the situation, remaining friendly, and getting the most out of the session that I can. Then I make it very clear that, while she is very hot or I wouldn`t have chosen her, she is unable to satisfy my needs, and I will not be seeing her again. No hard feelings.

I am really looking forward to tonight, as this girl is a small blond spinner with large for her size naturals. Not that I am a guy that requires large breasts, but they are a nice change from the petite ones I usually pick. I have a todo la noche planned that will end with an early morning, it`s all about me, waker upper. Best of all, this girl is a proven performer. I expect to be howling again.

[Member #3453]

Anti-gun Lobby rhetoric. They think they can lie about the guns being smuggled into Mexico so they can restrict guns in the US more. It's so obvious it's laughable.

In light of the most recent revelation that the ATF is responsible for permitting the smuggling of guns into Mexico, it supports my position that the Left (ie: The Obama Administration and Anti-Gunners) have been in collusion all along, employing illegal, disingenuous tactics to justify further the restriction of firearms in the USA by actually supplying weapons to Mexico, guns that they represented publicly as weapons obtained illicitly in violation of US gun laws, along with Mexico's complicit propagandizing that guns are filtering into Mexico as a result of lenient US guns laws.

The ATF allowed Semi-Automatic Rifles (ie: AK47s-Not Automatics) to be walked across the border, in order to falsify statistics, which they intended to be used to further their goal of mandatory gun registration in Border States, and so that might ultimately realize their long term agenda to further restrict the ownership of firearms by all Americans, a flagrant conspiracy to further restrict US Constitutional Protections.

The reality is, the ATF, the Left, the US Justice Department, The Obama Administration, Eric Holder, and the Anti-Gun Lobby are all in collusion, while the Gun Dealers conscientiously and regularly questioned their continued cooperation with ATF in this stupid-assed sting operation, that after their having reported these straw party attempts to purchase to ATF, just as they were supposed to do all along.

This myth that lenient American gun laws are responsible for the violence on the Mexican border has been created by the Anti Gun Lobby, the Obama Administration, the Country of Mexico, and the Left Wing.

Sorry to have to say it, but I told you so...

The NRA has NO CULPABILITY, the legal US gun owner citizens/sportsman have NO CULPABILITY, and the guns dealers have NO CULPABILITY. Had these idiots been following US law, the most recent smuggling of this "1000 weapons," which were supposedly illegally smuggled into Mexico contrary to US law, and supposedly without ATFs approval, would never have occurred.

The reality is. 700 of these guns that ATF knew were illegally purchased by straw party buyers, the sales of which ATF knowingly approved with full knowledge of the consequences, have been recovered in Mexico at crime scenes. It is only a matter of time before the other 300 are used to commit heinous crimes.

The entire time ATF knew that these weapons were being purchased by drug cartel members, which they knew had been employed to make straw purchases, just as I originally said was the case with respect to who was behind making illegal straw party purchases. Had the system been allowed to work, none of these guns would have been approved for sale because the dealers were reporting them to ATF, and even voicing their skepticism with respect to their own cooperation with ATF. The sales would have been totally killed at the sales counter had current US law been followed.

It just goes to illustrate the disingenuous tactics used by the Left, and the Anti-Gun Lobby, to screw with our constitutional rights. They are not above using Mexico's own hype about our exercising our US constitutional rights with respect to legal firearms ownership, and Mexico's blame-game finger pointing rhetoric, to further their agenda, which is exactly what I said was the case all along.

The ATF justifies this activity by saying that they were running a sting operation...That's BS, their objectives had more to do with their own leftist agenda, making an effort to wildly inflate the stats so they could sway public opinion so as to manufacture justification for more restrictive gun laws in the US.

Someone explain to me how permitting sales that they knew were illegal in advance, sales of guns that they knew would end up in Mexico, and be used to commit murder, they intended to sting the "Big Fish." The guns all ended up in Mexico, and ATF had no jurisdiction over the "BIG FISH," (ie: the drug cartels in Mexico).

The guns that the ATF, and the LEFT, permitted to filter into Mexico have been used in countless murders, and linked directly to the actual death of two US Federal Agents, hundreds of Mexican Law Enforcement Officers, and thousands of Innocent Mexican Citizens that had absolutely NO MEANS by which to fight back due to their own restricted freedoms.

So, the NRA, and the average law abiding gun owner and sportsman that values his constitutional rights, or the victim who values his right to self protection is disingenuous????????

[Larbo]

I called my Chica at 2:00pm as agreed, to confirm our date. She arrived early! Almost unheard of for most of these girls. I couldn`t believe it when the taxi pulled up to the room at 3:50pm. Usually a 4:00pm date really means 4:30 or 5:00.

Things went exactly as planned with this little proven performer. I have known her for about 2-1/2 years, and the trust is there now for her to have developed into the ideal little no holds barred, no limits sex kitten we all need once in a while. She knows exactly what I need, how to provide it, and we trust each other enough not to get each other in trouble.

This is the girl I spoke of in my first post that worked at Infinito`s, moved to El Infi, and then went back to Infinito`s. The result is that she still has a lot of friends in El Infi, including the tall leggy brunette I took out on day one of this trip. We went to El Infi for a few drinks and friendly banter with the girls about 9:00pm and stayed till 11:30 or so. I ended up sitting between the two girls while they discussed in detail all of my attributes and deficiencies. A good time was had by both girls at my expense. The plus for me is that they are both very o-k with me dating both of them. They trust each other to not intrude into the others particular territory regarding the different type of date they each provide me.

There were 10 girls working at El Infi when I was there. They way outnumbered the customers until about 10:00pm, when the numbers improved a bit. I don`t know how this club can keep going long at this rate, as the girls are making no money, and will eventually leave for greener pastures.

Tonight is a date with a girl I have known for 5 years. She does not provide any of the specials I sometimes require of the other girls, but she is the perfect GFE. Our relationship is very warm and friendly. Very comfortable. I expect to have a totally relaxed evening with some very cosy, cuddly sex.

[ErickMorsa]

Hello, guys, I am new in this forum, living in Mty, I will share my experience yesterday night, Usually I am little picky for choosing a girl, and specially places, my type that I really like is like Amnesia etc, but as everybody knows here, prices there are really crazy, so yesterday I tried a new place for me, name is CHOCOLATE, in Av. Madero, Monterrey center, near from Harem, another trip club, well, the place is more or less, fine, like 14 girls in the bar, some of them fat and ugly, as normal in strip clubs, but there was 2 girls, pretty nice, and great body, I take a skinny one, name MEGAN, good attitude, good talk, open girl, we were drinking whiskey, $40 pesos, glass and I asked for her a bottle of Boons, $300 pesos, (It was no boons, I was beer with water and ice) but the Idea is to talk to the girl and feel how she will be, in the club offered a private session for $700 mx, in a small room, for complete service, I asked Megan, what she does there, is full, she said, as the girl was fine and in good attitude, I asked for the private is 20 mins, we went there Room, is little bit not accurate, but better than the Infinitos style privates=) , Girl was no so good for sex, that type of girls, don't look at you, no movement, etc, like a pillow, she make Oral, and normal sex with condom, but there was not so good because of her attitude, I was expecting something different but well, so the security guy was knocking the door as time has passed, I finished, and that's, it.

My bone still hard etc. Resume, Place, fine for the prices. Girls, you can find 2 or 3 more or less fine. Attitude of MEGAN for talking, Good, for Sex, No good. Final, account, $300 Jar of drink for girl, $700 +$200 of tip, for Girl, $160 my whiskies.

I will go again just for having fun with friends. But not for girls.

[Juanelo]

Hi my friends,

Here I leave my presentacion, my name is Juanelo I have already written in various blogs and I have return to share my experiences in extreme sports which is the escorts, in another chance o maybe at night I will leave my first summary so I can also share with all of you those storys.

I don't understand this very well, I am barely learning how to leave my summary.

[MonterreyDude]

Ok, how about this for a sting operation.

Indictment: Columbus N. M, Federal Firearms Trafficking Case.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/27153650/detail.html

The town mayor, the police chief and 9 more.

Need more proof that US authorities on all levels are corrupt as hell AND starting to show?


In light of the most recent revelation that the ATF is responsible for permitting the smuggling of guns into Mexico, it supports my position that the Left (ie: The Obama Administration and Anti-Gunners) have been in collusion all along, employing illegal, disingenuous tactics to justify further the restriction of firearms in the USA by actually supplying weapons to Mexico, guns that they represented publicly as weapons obtained illicitly in violation of US gun laws, along with Mexico's complicit propagandizing that guns are filtering into Mexico as a result of lenient US guns laws.

The ATF allowed Semi-Automatic Rifles (ie: AK47s-Not Automatics) to be walked across the border, in order to falsify statistics, which they intended to be used to further their goal of mandatory gun registration in Border States, and so that might ultimately realize their long term agenda to further restrict the ownership of firearms by all Americans, a flagrant conspiracy to further restrict US Constitutional Protections.

The reality is, the ATF, the Left, the US Justice Department, The Obama Administration, Eric Holder, and the Anti-Gun Lobby are all in collusion, while the Gun Dealers conscientiously and regularly questioned their continued cooperation with ATF in this stupid-assed sting operation, that after their having reported these straw party attempts to purchase to ATF, just as they were supposed to do all along.

This myth that lenient American gun laws are responsible for the violence on the Mexican border has been created by the Anti Gun Lobby, the Obama Administration, the Country of Mexico, and the Left Wing.

Sorry to have to say it, but I told you so.

The NRA has NO CULPABILITY, the legal US gun owner citizens / sportsman have NO CULPABILITY, and the guns dealers have NO CULPABILITY. Had these idiots been following US law, the most recent smuggling of this "1000 weapons," which were supposedly illegally smuggled into Mexico contrary to US law, and supposedly without ATFs approval, would never have occurred.

The reality is. 700 of these guns that ATF knew were illegally purchased by straw party buyers, the sales of which ATF knowingly approved with full knowledge of the consequences, have been recovered in Mexico at crime scenes. It is only a matter of time before the other 300 are used to commit heinous crimes.

The entire time ATF knew that these weapons were being purchased by drug cartel members, which they knew had been employed to make straw purchases, just as I originally said was the case with respect to who was behind making illegal straw party purchases. Had the system been allowed to work, none of these guns would have been approved for sale because the dealers were reporting them to ATF, and even voicing their skepticism with respect to their own cooperation with ATF. The sales would have been totally killed at the sales counter had current US law been followed.

It just goes to illustrate the disingenuous tactics used by the Left, and the Anti-Gun Lobby, to screw with our constitutional rights. They are not above using Mexico's own hype about our exercising our US constitutional rights with respect to legal firearms ownership, and Mexico's blame-game finger pointing rhetoric, to further their agenda, which is exactly what I said was the case all along.

The ATF justifies this activity by saying that they were running a sting operation. That's BS, their objectives had more to do with their own leftist agenda, making an effort to wildly inflate the stats so they could sway public opinion so as to manufacture justification for more restrictive gun laws in the US.

Someone explain to me how permitting sales that they knew were illegal in advance, sales of guns that they knew would end up in Mexico, and be used to commit murder, they intended to sting the "Big Fish." The guns all ended up in Mexico, and ATF had no jurisdiction over the "BIG FISH," (ie: the drug cartels in Mexico).

The guns that the ATF, and the LEFT, permitted to filter into Mexico have been used in countless murders, and linked directly to the actual death of two US Federal Agents, hundreds of Mexican Law Enforcement Officers, and thousands of Innocent Mexican Citizens that had absolutely NO MEANS by which to fight back due to their own restricted freedoms.

So, the NRA, and the average law abiding gun owner and sportsman that values his constitutional rights, or the victim who values his right to self protection is disingenuous?

[Member #3453]

Ok, how about this for a sting operation.

Indictment: Columbus N. M, Federal Firearms Trafficking Case.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/27153650/detail.html

The town mayor, the police chief and 9 more.

Need more proof that US authorities on all levels are corrupt as hell AND starting to show?

Proof from more than one instance would be nice. But, with respect to your comment about "US Authorities" being corrupt, at least as it relates the ATF's most recent involvement, you mean the LEFT WING ATF operating at the behest of the Leftist US DOJ. It would not surprise me to learn that the leftist ATF/DOJ permitted the crimes in NM to persist for an entire year so as to build up the statistics. After all, they did it most recently with respect to 1000 guns...what's a mere 200, right?

Nobody doubts there are criminals operating in the US, not even a doubt that some of them are politicians, police officials, federal law enforcement, etc...And, with respect to that particular example, it is just as I said...the conspirators were employed by the drug cartels in Mexico.

It isn't like there are criminal syndicates operating in the US that are directly engaged in capitalizing on that kind of activity. All the instances I've seen are involving low level criminals, with strong ethnic Mexican connections, working with the cartels to break US law. There is always going to be smuggling of illicit contraband. It is, after all, incumbent on governments to make an effort to apprehend that kind of criminal activity. I do not see any published incidents that reflect any effort being made on the Mexico side of the border with respect to stopping the supposed flow of weapons into Mexico from the USA. At least you were able to locate a published article demonstrating that the US is making an effort, and being successful.

As I always said, the incidents of smuggling illicit guns to Mexico results from straw party purchases, perpetrated by shills for the Mexican cartels. But, at least it's pretty evident from this latest sting that the ATF will be notified by the legitimate gun dealers if the straw party purchases persist. If the perpetrators continue their activities, they are very likely to be investigated, and eventually prosecuted...

The huge difference is, and you must admit this is true if you are truly being honest with yourself...If our gun runners are found guilty, they are infinitely more likely to be spending time in a US Federal Prison, whereas their counterparts in Mexico will not, but will be likely prospering indefinitely, or until they're killed by their own as they miscalculate their own criminal affiliations.

[Member #3453]

I called my Chica at 2:00pm as agreed, to confirm our date. She arrived early! Almost unheard of for most of these girls. I couldn't believe it when the taxi pulled up to the room at 3:50pm. Usually a 4:00pm date really means 4:30 or 5:00.

Things went exactly as planned with this little proven performer. I have known her for about 2-1/2 years, and the trust is there now for her to have developed into the ideal little no holds barred, no limits sex kitten we all need once in a while. She knows exactly what I need, how to provide it, and we trust each other enough not to get each other in trouble.

This is the girl I spoke of in my first post that worked at Infinito's, moved to El Infi, and then went back to Infinito's. The result is that she still has a lot of friends in El Infi, including the tall leggy brunette I took out on day one of this trip. We went to El Infi for a few drinks and friendly banter with the girls about 9:00pm and stayed till 11:30 or so. I ended up sitting between the two girls while they discussed in detail all of my attributes and deficiencies. A good time was had by both girls at my expense. The plus for me is that they are both very o-k with me dating both of them. They trust each other to not intrude into the others particular territory regarding the different type of date they each provide me.

There were 10 girls working at El Infi when I was there. They way outnumbered the customers until about 10:00pm, when the numbers improved a bit. I don't know how this club can keep going long at this rate, as the girls are making no money, and will eventually leave for greener pastures.

Tonight is a date with a girl I have known for 5 years. She does not provide any of the specials I sometimes require of the other girls, but she is the perfect GFE. Our relationship is very warm and friendly. Very comfortable. I expect to have a totally relaxed evening with some very cosy, cuddly sex.I've been hearing some talk that they are starting to get really busy with their renovation, but that might just be on weekends. It sometimes looks dead from the outside, but there is supposed to be another parking spot where everybody goes, kind of like Parthenon where you have the parking lot around back, and a rear entrance. Maybe after 10pm the number of patrons and girls picks up during the week. I know a girlfriend of a girlfriend that's working there, and she's been telling my friend that things are really busy at El Infi, and that it's giving El Infinito some competition. Keep reporting on how it's doing. If it's improved, I'll put it on the short list again.

[Larbo]

I've been hearing some talk that they are starting to get really busy with their renovation, but that might just be on weekends. It sometimes looks dead from the outside, but there is supposed to be another parking spot where everybody goes, kind of like Parthenon where you have the parking lot around back, and a rear entrance. Maybe after 10pm the number of patrons and girls picks up during the week. I know a girlfriend of a girlfriend that's working there, and she's been telling my friend that things are really busy at El Infi, and that it's giving El Infinito some competition. Keep reporting on how it's doing. If it's improved, I'll put it on the short list again.I haven't noticed anyevidence of renovations on the inside in the main area. Of course, I have nothing to compare to as I have only been in there a few times, and then only since last month. I do know that the upstairs rooms are very nice for this type of establishment. Like a low end hotel room without a bed. Private, an actual room with furniture that includes an L shaped couch that could easily be pushed together into a useable bed. This may be where renovations, if any, have been made.

Also, I have never been there on a weekend, so cannot report on the level of action then. I will be staying in Monterrey over the weekend, so will try to pop in and check it out. I have a hankering for a repeat with the leggy brunette anyway.

[Bbond]

Columbus, NM, with a population of maybe 2000. So it is not hardly inconceivable that corrupt individuals can, very easily, make it to top positions there. No-one has ever said corruption is not universal. But to try and compare corruption of US officials with that of Mexican officials is totally, completely, laughable.

[Larbo]

Columbus, NM, with a population of maybe 2000. So it is not hardly inconceivable that corrupt individuals can, very easily, make it to top positions there. No-one has ever said corruption is not universal. But to try and compare corruption of US officials with that of Mexican officials is totally, completely, laughable.I agree. Isolated individual exceptions can always be found to rebutt any general statement. That does not make the general statement any less true.

The only people that think so are those desperately trying to support a losing argument.

If any general statement is not supported by a preponderance of facts, there will always be a huge amount of verifiable and widely known information available to make that statement instantly invalidated by any thinking individual.

There have always been isolated instances of wrongdoing by a few gun dealers in the USA These are always pounced upon be the left wing media to justify increased gun restrictions. They are always successfully prosecuted by our generally uncorrupted, but not perfect, criminal justice system.

A simple computer search of the criminal trial results in any large legal district, (available on line throught the USA) , will show ample evidence that the vast majority of gun dealers are not only complying with the law, but are being proactive in reporting suspicious purchase requests. That is the only way most of these successful prosecutions of attempted illegal gun purchases are found. These are virtually never reported by our mostly left wing media outlets, yet are widely known by the general public.

Anti-gun nuts in the USA cannot make preposterous general anti-gun statements without the general public instantly realizing it as a false claim.

[Larbo]

Perfect GFE evening. Seven hours of relaxed, cozy, attention from a beautiful MILF that knows exactly what I want from GFE.

I have known this girl for 5+ years, and there is no better example of why it is good to take the time to develop a relationship with a girl if she has potential, and you have the opportunity. Of course, having the opportunity is always the key. I realize that I am very lucky in that respect. I have had the time to develop relationships with several girls, each of which satisfy me in different ways.

This brings up a topic which I have been curious about for several years.

Why do so many of us settle into liking only one type of relationship or girl? For instance, some of us like only porn stars, some like only submissive, and some like only GFE. There are a lot more types, but let's focus on these for now.

I think it is possible for the most one dimensional monger to branch out a little and thoroughly enjoy it. Here is how I did it.

I used to like only GFE. Now I like all three, but with a twist. Last nights GFE has a little wild streak that comes out with only a bit of encouragement, and only when I want it. When I want it, it is wonderfully satisfying to have both.

That got me to looking around for a porn star with a GFE twist. I found it in the little blonde spinner from day three. I'll keep her cell number as long as as she keeps giving me that twist and she knows it. That is why she does not feel threatened when I go with another girl for a different experience. She actively encouraged me to get it on with her friend in El Infi, the leggy brunette, because she is not in direct competition.

I have the cell number for a former MISSES girl that gives me submissive GFE when I need or want that particular flavor.

I find it immensly satisfying to sample a broad spectrum of the sexual universe simply because I have had the time to search out and discover that I really do like almost all types of sex, if it comes with the twist that does it for me.

I know that there are a lot of experienced members on this board, whether you post a lot or not. Do any of you splash around like I do?

[MonterreyDude]

Nope, I don't think so.

We are talking drugs, tons and tons of money.

And this is repeating itself all over the southern border of the US.

Bbond, official in the Rio Grande Valley have been arrested recently for corruption.

And believe me, thanks to this "insignificant" level of corruption, corruption that is allowing cartel activities on American soil, violence is begining to jump the fence.

All up and down the RGV there have been complaints of people being threatened along the drug routes in the US side, now more than ever.

And it's going to become more obvious, more visible, less under the radar.


Columbus, NM, with a population of maybe 2000. So it is not hardly inconceivable that corrupt individuals can, very easily, make it to top positions there. No-one has ever said corruption is not universal. But to try and compare corruption of US officials with that of Mexican officials is totally, completely, laughable.

[Larbo]

Hello, guys, I am new in this forum, living in Mty, I will share my experience yesterday night, Usually I am little picky for choosing a girl, and specially places, my type that I really like is like Amnesia etc, but as everybody knows here, prices there are really crazy, so yesterday I tried a new place for me, name is CHOCOLATE, in Av. Madero, Monterrey center, near from Harem, another trip club, well, the place is more or less, fine, like 14 girls in the bar, some of them fat and ugly, as normal in strip clubs, but there was 2 girls, pretty nice, and great body, I take a skinny one, name MEGAN, good attitude, good talk, open girl, we were drinking whiskey, $40 pesos, glass and I asked for her a bottle of Boons, $300 pesos, (It was no boons, I was beer with water and ice) but the Idea is to talk to the girl and feel how she will be, in the club offered a private session for $700 mx, in a small room, for complete service, I asked Megan, what she does there, is full, she said, as the girl was fine and in good attitude, I asked for the private is 20 mins, we went there Room, is little bit not accurate, but better than the Infinitos style privates=) , Girl was no so good for sex, that type of girls, don't look at you, no movement, etc, like a pillow, she make Oral, and normal sex with condom, but there was not so good because of her attitude, I was expecting something different but well, so the security guy was knocking the door as time has passed, I finished, and that's, it.

My bone still hard etc. Resume, Place, fine for the prices. Girls, you can find 2 or 3 more or less fine. Attitude of MEGAN for talking, Good, for Sex, No good. Final, account, $300 Jar of drink for girl, $700 +$200 of tip, for Girl, $160 my whiskies.

I will go again just for having fun with friends. But not for girls.Thanks for the information. I have been past that place in a taxi. I can't remember exactly where it is, but now I don't have to worry about finding it.

Negative comments about particular girls, clubs, or situations are just as valuable as positive ones. We just need to keep the comments factual, like you just did.

[Bbond]

"insignificant"I don't believe anyone has every used that term before, I know that the corruption that exists in the US is significant. But still lacks the level and intensity seen in Mexico. Where is not that there is some corruption, but widespread corruption. Wide spread even down to the street level, where even the local police are deeply involved. Not just some, but most, local police work for or with a cartel.

[Larbo]

la parca asked me a question about the action at el infi on the weekend. i didn't know as i had never been there on a weekend. decided i needed to know also, and it was a perfect excuse to have another go at the leggy brunette.

walked in about 8:45, and the floor workers immediately recognized me, brought me a tecate rojo, and went off to get the leggy brunette away from the table where she had been chatting up a guy with no success for some time.

bought the girl a drink and surveyed the situation. the same ten girls were working. there were 25 or 30 men rep001tered around. some just drinking beer and there for the show, but 3 or 4 players chatting up prospective action, and maybe 2 or 3 more seriously looking around.

i stayed long enough for two beers because i owed la parca an answer. by 9:30, there were 45 to 50 guys on the floor and things were getting a little noisy. not nearly as much action as infinito's, but pretty decent for a small club like this. that works out to a ratio of about one girl for 4 to 5 guys. there were a lot of guys there just for the show, so the actual action ratio was much less.

i can best explain it like this. put four walls around the action at the second stage at infinito's on a saturday night, and you could be in el infi. eight to ten girls to choose from, and not a lot of competition.

i negotiated a three hour session with the leggy brunette, with the same results as day one of this trip. she was hot to go with me as i was now a known quantity. this girl has the potential to develop into a keeper. she is drop dead beautiful, (your mileage may vary) , and she has a twist that i haven't had before. sort of a slutty girlfriend, if you know what i mean. the desire may wane with time, but for now, it is new and exciting.

[Larbo]

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

I needed a bit of rest after the past few days and a fairly hard day of work. Only felt like one shot, but wanted the best available strange I could find, so I grabbed a cab and headed for MISSES on Tapia.

Three or four years ago, MISSES was where you went to get the best quality in Monterrey, (in my opinion, of course). You paid top dollar, but got a full hour with a 9. 5 or better. In fact, it is where I found my present submissive GFE.

Imagine my surprise when I walked in and found no English speaking manager, only three girls, and the quality was no better that that found at Marcella. The rooms are slightly dingier than I remember also, and I saw no full time cleaning lady like they used to have. The price had dropped to 1600 pesos from its formerly 1750. 2600 peso range.

I was already there, and didn't really want to start all over with a cab to Marcella's, so I acted all discouraged and hesitant, then asked to speak privately with the only spinner of the three girls. After acting all confused and suspicious, the woman manager finally ushered us into a vacant room, where I proceeded to negotiate for extras. She was very reluctant until I pointed out that there were virtually no customers in the place, and this was an opportunity to get a good start on what was probably going to be a slow evening. Besides, I said I would leave before the full hour was up if she was good enough to get me off sooner.

I ended up getting my extra for no additional cost. We went back to the woman manager, I paid my 1600 pesos, had a surprisingly good time, and left 45 minutes later. I do have to admit that even though there were only three girls to choose from, I would have picked the spinner out of a room full of 20 girls, as she was the young thin type I usually go for.

Bottom line here is, don't waste your time going to MISSES if you are just going out for a one shot deal in a massage parlor. Go straight to Marcellas. I say this without having been to Marcella's in about four months, so I hope everything is still the same there. If anyone knows different, please speak up.

[Member #3453]

la parca asked me a question about the action at el infi on the weekend. i didn't know as i had never been there on a weekend. decided i needed to know also, and it was a perfect excuse to have another go at the leggy brunette.

walked in about 8:45, and the floor workers immediately recognized me, brought me a tecate rojo, and went off to get the leggy brunette away from the table where she had been chatting up a guy with no success for some time.

bought the girl a drink and surveyed the situation. the same ten girls were working. there were 25 or 30 men rep001tered around. some just drinking beer and there for the show, but 3 or 4 players chatting up prospective action, and maybe 2 or 3 more seriously looking around.

i stayed long enough for two beers because i owed la parca an answer. by 9:30, there were 45 to 50 guys on the floor and things were getting a little noisy. not nearly as much action as infinito's, but pretty decent for a small club like this. that works out to a ratio of about one girl for 4 to 5 guys. there were a lot of guys there just for the show, so the actual action ratio was much less.

i can best explain it like this. put four walls around the action at the second stage at infinito's on a saturday night, and you could be in el infi. eight to ten girls to choose from, and not a lot of competition.

i negotiated a three hour session with the leggy brunette, with the same results as day one of this trip. she was hot to go with me as i was now a known quantity. this girl has the potential to develop into a keeper. she is drop dead beautiful, (your mileage may vary) , and she has a twist that i haven't had before. sort of a slutty girlfriend, if you know what i mean. the desire may wane with time, but for now, it is new and exciting. thanks very much for the update. what did the bar and the girl charge you for three hours on salida? if it has that kind of activity, i may put it back on the short list. they must have completed the renovations my gf talked about. what is different about the place now? i heard they really made the privados luxurious.

[Larbo]

Thanks very much for the update. What did the bar and the girl charge you for three hours on salida? If it has that kind of activity, I may put it back on the short list. They must have completed the renovations my GF talked about. What is different about the place now? I heard they really made the privados luxurious.I negotiated a three hour salida session with the leggy brunette for 1500 pesos, which includes the extras I want. It was the same price as a four hour session earlier in the week. I had to work for this price, and she was hesitant about it on Friday, because she could easily have made as much staying at El Infi. She agreed when I reminded her that I take her todo la noche on the slow days when she would make almost nothing.

Her and one other girl are the local hotties, and account for a large percentage of the action at El Infi. They make a lot of trips upstairs at 200 pesos per hour for use of the privados. That is why the manager wants to charge 600 pesos salida fee for an extended salida. I negotiated a much lower fee during my first trip there, which was on a slow day, and have managed to hold it so far. He will not go as low as the 350 pesos that Infinito's charges.

The privados are really nice for a small club. The one I saw was like a small hotel room with no bed. It had furniture and an "L" shaped couch that could be pushed into a very satisfactory bed. I have never used the privados but would not be at all hesitant if my negotiated salida fees become unacceptable, or the leggy brunette decides on increased pricing for salida on the weekends.

[Larbo]

saw a report on the monterrey strip club site that givenchy's had a few very small petite dancers. i mean really small. since that is right up one of my alleys, i decided to check it out. besides, i had never been in there before.

got there at four thirty. i know that is early, but i figured to stay an hour or so and see what showed up. i like sundays in the clubs, as the really hungry ones are there, and usually ready to rumble.

there were 35 guys there and 5 girls. business picked up to about 40 guys and 9 girls by 7:00pm. none of the girls were small. one girl that showed up at 6:30 was the second timer that disappointed me from day one on this trip. she came right over to my table and expected me to take her out. i repeated my explanation of why i couldn't. she did get a lot of privado action right away, though. after all, she is really hot looking.

as a matter of fact, there was quite a bit of privado action for about half of the girls, but no salida that i saw. i did find out from one of the floor people that the bar fine for salida is 400 pesos. that is at least comparable to el infinito's.

since nothing there was tripping any triggers, i moved across the street to tangalay, another club i had never been in.

walked in at 7:00 sharp. about 25 guys rep001tered about, and 10 very hungry girls. nothing there over an 8 on my scale. four girls in a row came over to my table and tried me for drinks and more. one was very agressive, and i could hardly get her off my lap. antway, i kept repeating my story that i was there for 2 beers while i checked out all the girls. then i would make my selection for salida. word got around after the fourth girl was turned away, and i was more or less left alone.

there was almost no action at the privados, and virtually no salida that i saw.

i made my selection during the second meat rack call. i signaled a girl to come over to my table after the call was over. she was a 7 that was very active, almost hyperactive, and i hoped that it would translate into good action at my hotel. she was eager to salida, but flatly said no when i outlined my expectations. she countered with suggestions of her own, which i considered, but always came back to my original requirements. this was all watched with some amusement by the waiter who had attached himself to me earlier.

after about ten minutes of serious but friendly banter, she finally said "si", with a bit of exasperation attached to a smile. that got a thumbs up from the waiter, who took my 300 peso salida fee and a 50 peso tip for being so attentive to my needs.

the 300 peso salida fee really surprised me. that's lower than el infinito's.

the girl was a 7. 5 body, a 7. 0 face, and a 10. 5 for action in the hotel. i was worried that she would not perform as promised, so i refused to pay the manager as requested before we left the club. i also refused to pay the girl upon arrival at the hotel. she got paid the agreed amount after all action was completed. the hit, including my extra requirements, was 1500 for the girl. 300 salida, and 100 total for the taxi for two full hours in my room. not an insignificant sum, but i am very happy as i am typing this, so it must have been worth it. i do know that i will not repeat with this girl, however, not because i am disappointed in any way, but that i know there are countless other prospects out there that are worth persuing.

i have monday and tuesday yet before my planned repeats with two of my favoritas.

[Juanelo]

My experience with Any was pure lust, there were even bites and everything you can image.

This time I arrived on time, but I'm no talking about the apartment this time was at el cascada, I told marcos about the room, I was in then Any arrived wearing black jeans and' a white blouse, her brunette hair wasn't as it used to be on the pics, but it doesn't matter anyway.

I wasn't there to be waiting so I went straight to her lips giving her a few kisses and I felt that she wanted more. Making out with clothes was only foreplay for what was coming next.

I'the heard that all you have to do is get her in your flow and the real Any would come out, so I took off her clothes and went down on her as I was licking her pussy I noticed that she was bittin' her lips. You can tell that she really enjoys sex like a porn star.

I got her really horny, so after I finished it was my turn to get a blow job. The hoe loved to suck my balls and she is a real a deep throat, she sticks it all the way in and she goes faster and faster looking at her pretty eyes and touching her hair. I was moving her the way I like it. It was something I won't forget.

She licked my balls over and over. She really likes that. She kept blowing me which by the way I had to stop or else I would've cum all over her. We got the best of each other in different positions but the best one was in missionary because to be honest I got tired and I wanted to be in a position where I could rest so I let her have it in missionary. Any was bitting her lips and I don't know how my shoulder got close to her mouth. She put her teeth as if to bite me but it was only to tease me because she was really horny.

All that got me really horny. I'm sure you all can imagine. I was in missionary 'cause I wanted to rest but I started pushing it in deeper and deeper enjoying every second of it. I felt when I was about to cum so I told her to suck my dick. I told her this because I had paid for an oral finish, I was really horny and Any wanted her milk.

She gave a hand job as she was blowing me maybe she wanted her calcium!

I felt when I was going to cum and I asked her if she was ready to get my load mmmm. I cumed all in her pretty mouth! She was really enjoying it. Any is one of the wildest girls I've been with.

Service oral finish. The only thing missing was anal and since I entered the frequent customers list I'll get a discount on my next visit. Anal oral! Oh, the possibilities I recommend her 100.

[El Cazador]

saw a report on the monterrey strip club site that givenchy's had a few very small petite dancers. i mean really small. since that is right up one of my alleys, i decided to check it out. besides, i had never been in there before.

got there at four thirty. i know that is early, but i figured to stay an hour or so and see what showed up. i like sundays in the clubs, as the really hungry ones are there, and usually ready to rumble.

there were 35 guys there and 5 girls. business picked up to about 40 guys and 9 girls by 7:00pm. none of the girls were small. one girl that showed up at 6:30 was the second timer that disappointed me from day one on this trip. she came right over to my table and expected me to take her out. i repeated my explanation of why i couldn't. she did get a lot of privado action right away, though. after all, she is really hot looking.

as a matter of fact, there was quite a bit of privado action for about half of the girls, but no salida that i saw. i did find out from one of the floor people that the bar fine for salida is 400 pesos. that is at least comparable to el infinito's.

since nothing there was tripping any triggers, i moved across the street to tangalay, another club i had never been in.

walked in at 7:00 sharp. about 25 guys rep001tered about, and 10 very hungry girls. nothing there over an 8 on my scale. four girls in a row came over to my table and tried me for drinks and more. one was very agressive, and i could hardly get her off my lap. antway, i kept repeating my story that i was there for 2 beers while i checked out all the girls. then i would make my selection for salida. word got around after the fourth girl was turned away, and i was more or less left alone.

there was almost no action at the privados, and virtually no salida that i saw.

i made my selection during the second meat rack call. i signaled a girl to come over to my table after the call was over. she was a 7 that was very active, almost hyperactive, and i hoped that it would translate into good action at my hotel. she was eager to salida, but flatly said no when i outlined my expectations. she countered with suggestions of her own, which i considered, but always came back to my original requirements. this was all watched with some amusement by the waiter who had attached himself to me earlier.

after about ten minutes of serious but friendly banter, she finally said "si", with a bit of exasperation attached to a smile. that got a thumbs up from the waiter, who took my 300 peso salida fee and a 50 peso tip for being so attentive to my needs.

the 300 peso salida fee really surprised me. that's lower than el infinito's.

the girl was a 7. 5 body, a 7. 0 face, and a 10. 5 for action in the hotel. i was worried that she would not perform as promised, so i refused to pay the manager as requested before we left the club. i also refused to pay the girl upon arrival at the hotel. she got paid the agreed amount after all action was completed. the hit, including my extra requirements, was 1500 for the girl. 300 salida, and 100 total for the taxi for two full hours in my room. not an insignificant sum, but i am very happy as i am typing this, so it must have been worth it. i do know that i will not repeat with this girl, however, not because i am disappointed in any way, but that i know there are countless other prospects out there that are worth persuing.

i have monday and tuesday yet before my planned repeats with two of my favoritas. i inform the forum that there is other option in monterrey then el centro for make the relaciones. in mitras that is more safe than el centro, you can go to the mens clubs elefante, new excelente, and mariavelo. this clubs are with one block of each other and on calle abraham lincoln west of gonzalitos. also, is 50 pesos taxi to the other regular clubs in colinas i talk before. many casinos is also very close to mitras.

@larbo.

i am very confuse. you first report here, the report before you make the ridicule for me and make the strong adulation for unspongebob, you say that you come here to monterrey for eight years and visit 12-18 times per year and go to the club infinito and visit for 4-6 nights in a row each visit. i count that it equals no less than 384 visits and up to 864 visits to infinito. i can't understand how you only now visit givenchy and tangalay for first time this trip when this clubs are direct cross the street and direct next door to infinito. maybe you confuse, no?

[MonterreyDude]

i must point out that i saw the petite ladies (real short girls) working on thursday night, friday and 3 of them this las saturday out of the total 5 i've seen.

maybe that's why you haven't bumped into them. am not sure about today nor tomorrow tuesday.


saw a report on the monterrey strip club site that givenchy's had a few very small petite dancers. i mean really small. since that is right up one of my alleys, i decided to check it out. besides, i had never been in there before.

got there at four thirty. i know that is early, but i figured to stay an hour or so and see what showed up. i like sundays in the clubs, as the really hungry ones are there, and usually ready to rumble.

there were 35 guys there and 5 girls. business picked up to about 40 guys and 9 girls by 7:00pm. none of the girls were small. one girl that showed up at 6:30 was the second timer that disappointed me from day one on this trip. she came right over to my table and expected me to take her out. i repeated my explanation of why i couldn't. she did get a lot of privado action right away, though. after all, she is really hot looking.

as a matter of fact, there was quite a bit of privado action for about half of the girls, but no salida that i saw. i did find out from one of the floor people that the bar fine for salida is 400 pesos. that is at least comparable to el infinito's.

since nothing there was tripping any triggers, i moved across the street to tangalay, another club i had never been in.

walked in at 7:00 sharp. about 25 guys rep001tered about, and 10 very hungry girls. nothing there over an 8 on my scale. four girls in a row came over to my table and tried me for drinks and more. one was very agressive, and i could hardly get her off my lap. antway, i kept repeating my story that i was there for 2 beers while i checked out all the girls. then i would make my selection for salida. word got around after the fourth girl was turned away, and i was more or less left alone.

there was almost no action at the privados, and virtually no salida that i saw.

i made my selection during the second meat rack call. i signaled a girl to come over to my table after the call was over. she was a 7 that was very active, almost hyperactive, and i hoped that it would translate into good action at my hotel. she was eager to salida, but flatly said no when i outlined my expectations. she countered with suggestions of her own, which i considered, but always came back to my original requirements. this was all watched with some amusement by the waiter who had attached himself to me earlier.

after about ten minutes of serious but friendly banter, she finally said "si", with a bit of exasperation attached to a smile. that got a thumbs up from the waiter, who took my 300 peso salida fee and a 50 peso tip for being so attentive to my needs.

the 300 peso salida fee really surprised me. that's lower than el infinito's.

the girl was a 7. 5 body, a 7. 0 face, and a 10. 5 for action in the hotel. i was worried that she would not perform as promised, so i refused to pay the manager as requested before we left the club. i also refused to pay the girl upon arrival at the hotel. she got paid the agreed amount after all action was completed. the hit, including my extra requirements, was 1500 for the girl. 300 salida, and 100 total for the taxi for two full hours in my room. not an insignificant sum, but i am very happy as i am typing this, so it must have been worth it. i do know that i will not repeat with this girl, however, not because i am disappointed in any way, but that i know there are countless other prospects out there that are worth persuing.

i have monday and tuesday yet before my planned repeats with two of my favoritas.

[Larbo]

I inform the forum that there is other option in Monterrey then El Centro for make the relaciones. In Mitras that is more safe than El Centro, you can go to the mens clubs Elefante, New Excelente, and Mariavelo. This clubs are with one block of each other and on calle Abraham Lincoln west of Gonzalitos. Also, is 50 pesos taxi to the other regular clubs in Colinas I talk before. Many casinos is also very close to Mitras.

@Larbo.

I am very confuse. You first report here, the report before you make the ridicule for me and make the strong adulation for Unspongebob, you say that you come here to Monterrey for eight years and visit 12-18 times per year and go to the club Infinito and visit for 4-6 nights in a row each visit. I count that it equals no less than 384 visits and up to 864 visits to Infinito. I can't understand how you only now visit Givenchy and Tangalay for first time this trip when this clubs are direct cross the street and direct next door to Infinito. Maybe you confuse, no? I guess this just shows that someone can take a few seperate statements, add them together, and and get the wrong answer.

The first few years I was coming down here, I was like all the fresh gringos. Had no idea where to go, and thought it was great to even find a girl so easily. The first 1-1/2 years was spent basically with one regular that was found for my by a client.

Then, I found MISSES, and spent my money there for the next year or so.

Five years ago I discovered this site, and started lurking regularly. Most of the information I have about Monterrey comes from this site. I am very familiar with most of the senior members positions on all of the subjects that have been written about on this site. Like everyone else in this world, I hold opinions based upon my life experience. If I disagree with you or anyone else on any given subject, that is my opinion, and is just as valid to me as yours or anyone else's is to them.

Anyway, the word on this site about five years ago was that Marcella was the place to go for a selection that was as good as any, so I went. The word was that most of the other places were having difficulty, so I didn't bother with them. I was into massajes then, and not interested in clubs.

The same thing happened when I became interested in the clubs. I read everyone's opinion, and selected Infinito's as the club that would most interest me. So I went. I had also been taken to Premier by supplier contacts on several occasions, and found it to be exactly as described by several senior members. Not really my cup of tea, so I continued with Infinito's.

No reason to explore further.

I also had collected four or five cell numbers by now, so did not go out every night. Just called the girl to my hotel. If you read my recent posts carefully, you will see that I still do that very often.

I have only recently begun to explore. It started with a coincidence. The fact that El Infi was mentioned / reviewed on this site, and one of my favoritas had started dancing ther caused me to go for the first time.

The first time I had any reason to go to Givenchy was when I read about the tiny girls, so I went. When I didn't find them, I went across the street for the first time to Tangaly because I knew at least two of my favoritas were there and I didn't want them at that time.

I hope this rather lengthy explanation clears up you misconceptions about my activity in Monterrey. I am interested in the girls, and use the clubs and massajes as a source of supply, not as an end in thenselves.

Now maybe you can see why your numbers are all messed up. You made a calculation based upon an invalid assumption.

[Larbo]

I must point out that I saw the petite ladies (real short girls) working on Thursday night, Friday and 3 of them this las Saturday out of the total 5 I've seen.

Maybe that's why you haven't bumped into them. Am not sure about today nor tomorrow Tuesday. It could be I hit the clubs too early, also. That point was driven home last night when I got to Tangalay at 8:30 and stayed till 9:30. A lot more action than I saw there the last time.

I have one more night to try for some strange before I spend the last two nights with my favoritas. I will try about 8:00 to 9:00pm. Any later than that and my sense of urgency increases to the point that I take the next available girl that satisfies my requirements, just like last night.

[Larbo]

Got a late start on my mongering yesterday. The supplier I was visiting was just successfully finishing up one of several contracts we have with him, and the owner invited me to a cook-out / barbeque at his party place Northeast of San Nicolas, out past the Monterrey race track.

The whiskey and beer flowed freely along with some very fine carne and home made sauces. I successfully resisted the tequila and whiskey, for the most part, limiting myself to just a few plus three beers. I was anticipating going to Tangalay again for a go at a medium build blonde I saw the night before that was wearing glasses. I had chosen another girl, but I had been thinking of the glasses on and off all day. I wanted to steam them up some.

Got to Tangalay about 8:30 and looked around. There were a lot more girls available than I had seen the previous evening. No blonde with glasses though. I thought about going back to Givenchy to see if any of the tiny girls had shown up, but by then I was seriously scopeing out a thin brunette that seemed pretty popular with two or three tables of guys, but wasn`t getting much action from them. When she went up on stage to dance, I caught her eye and gave her the signal to join me after the dance.

A quick negotiating session, and we were out of there for two hours in my hotel. Again, I paid only the salida at the club, explaining that I would pay the girl at the hotel after successfull completion of all terms and conditions. This was o-k with them again. Is paying up front something that is standard at Tangalay? Or are they just trying some gringo rip where if I do, they leave early or something? I may still be a newbie at Tangalay, but I have been in enough places all over the world that I never pay complete up front.

A comment here. I was very pleased with the selection in Tangalay last night. There were a lot of girls there with a range of body styled to suit almost everyone. I saw two or three solid 9`s and a lot of 7. 5.8. 5. Of course there were a few 5`s also, but some folks 5`s are other folks 9`s.

[Member #3453]

It could be I hit the clubs too early

I am sometimes guilty of wanting to get started too early. I think you're out there just a little too early. Try going around shift change at the bars, which would be between about 10pm and 11pm. You'll see the combined collection of girls when they congregate on the stages, and you'll have more selection. Based on your experience already, you probably know all of this, but it's worth reiterating anyway.

I often think that taking my own advice would yield better results in my own endeavors. But, the last couple of years, I just haven't had the energy or desire to be up all night like I used to. Hence, I sometimes go a little too early. But, you have to weigh your own energy level against the increased potential as it relates to one's own depravity. And, there is also the increased danger level on the streets to consider compared to ten years ago. Earlier is a little safer.

You have sunk into your own comfort level, just like me. It is far easier to call your regulars on the phone, have them show up earlier, enjoy an evening with at least some degree of energy, relaxing with a known and previously tested quality, which yields fewer negative experiences...realizing the entire time that you probably have to get up early to report for work activities the next morning as well..It can be a daunting challenge if you burn the candle at both ends. Were you me, at this point in your week, it being night #9 tonight, I would be starting to wear down from the night after night grind. I have learned to stop and smell the roses, which you seem better at doing than I. I notice that you're pretty measured in your nightly activities, usually picking only one or two bars, and thoroughly checking them out.

My past lunacy, and to certain extent even at times my current MO, is to flit between large numbers of bars, rapidly assessing them without really spending probably enough time to separate the swine from the pearls. Time gets away from me, and I often stay out later than my preference these days, maybe I miss some of the potential that's hidden in the privados when I visit some of these places and assess them so quickly, etc...

But, no apologies or regrets...at this stage, I have become relatively impatient, lack the focus of prior days, and have countless options a phone call away. But, that kind of attitude...Oh, hell, lets call it "Laziness" to be more exact...has a tendency to cause one to possibly miss out as the next generations of girls coming up to fill openings in the line-up, which occurs about every 7-9 months.

[Larbo]

I am sometimes guilty of wanting to get started too early. I think you're out there just a little too early. Try going around shift change at the bars, which would be between about 10pm and 11pm. You'll see the combined collection of girls when they congregate on the stages, and you'll have more selection. Based on your experience already, you probably know all of this, but it's worth reiterating anyway.

I often think that taking my own advice would yield better results in my own endeavors. But, the last couple of years, I just haven't had the energy or desire to be up all night like I used to. Hence, I sometimes go a little too early. But, you have to weigh your own energy level against the increased potential as it relates to one's own depravity. And, there is also the increased danger level on the streets to consider compared to ten years ago. Earlier is a little safer.

You have sunk into your own comfort level, just like me. It is far easier to call your regulars on the phone, have them show up earlier, enjoy an evening with at least some degree of energy, relaxing with a known and previously tested quality, which yields fewer negative experiences. Realizing the entire time that you probably have to get up early to report for work activities the next morning as well. It can be a daunting challenge if you burn the candle at both ends. Were you me, at this point in your week, it being night #9 tonight, I would be starting to wear down from the night after night grind. I have learned to stop and smell the roses, which you seem better at doing than I. I notice that you're pretty measured in your nightly activities, usually picking only one or two bars, and thoroughly checking them out.

My past lunacy, and to certain extent even at times my current MO, is to flit between large numbers of bars, rapidly assessing them without really spending probably enough time to separate the swine from the pearls. Time gets away from me, and I often stay out later than my preference these days, maybe I miss some of the potential that's hidden in the privados when I visit some of these places and assess them so quickly, etc.

But, no apologies or regrets. At this stage, I have become relatively impatient, lack the focus of prior days, and have countless options a phone call away. But, that kind of attitude. Oh, hell, lets call it "Laziness" to be more exact. Has a tendency to cause one to possibly miss out as the next generations of girls coming up to fill openings in the line-up, which occurs about every 7-9 months. I had to laugh while reading this, as you read me perfectly. Especially the third paragraph. You hit the nail squarely on the head.

I have completed my survey of the clubs / massajes as of last night, and am looking forward to the greatly anticipated todo la noche with my little blonde spinner, the one I found that mixes some GFE with porn star.

All night to procede at my own pace. 4:00pm till morning, with a relaxed dinner break, a short nap once or twice, and a feeling of totally relaxed exaustion at 6:30am when it is time to greet the new day.

[Larbo]

Relaxed in my hotel for a while after work today to try to gat a later start on the evening, as I wanted to try to be at Givenchy when the reported very small girls were there. I got really antsy and couldn't wait any longer than 7:30pm, so got cleaned up, jumped in a taxi, and headed downtown.

Got to Givenchy's about 8:30 and immediately saw three small spinners; one tiny blonde, and two slightly less tiny brunettes. I observed the situation for thirty minutes or so to see if any more came down from the privados, but no more appeared.

The (floor manager / bouncer?) from Texas that speaks good English stopped at my table to see if I needed anything, so I asked him if he expected any more petite girls this evening. He said he didn't think so, as they usually all come at about the same time.

At the first meat rack call, I watched as they grouped together as if they were amigas. They got bored quickly, and started practicing moves on the pole. I should really have said "trying to perform" moves, as they were obviously complete novices. The tiny blonde girl didn't have enough thighs to clamp the bar at all. She had a very nice gap between her thighs up at the "Y" that really turned me on, so she was the first to get interviewed.

She was very willing to salida, but refused some of the extras that all of my regulars provide, and that I consider necessary for a successfull experience. The other two were much the same, very hesitant about the extras, but refusing in the end. I am positive that with a little more experience, all three of these girls will lose that hesitancy in favor of increased income. I look forward to searching them out, maybe the trip after next.

A slightly larger, but still small blonde caught my eye and smiled at me as she was dancing. I had also noticed her watching as I interviewed the tiny girls at my table. I paid close attention as she stripped on the stage. Her breasts were slightly larger than I like, about a "D" cup, but obviously all natural. Body was a solid 9. The face was slightly exotic looking with a definate heart shape to it. That was also a solid 9 in my book, but may not be what you like.

I beat two other guys to the stage after the dance and took her upstairs for the interview. Checked out the goods that couldn't really be seen up on the stage, and all was pleasing to the eye. Handed her the flashlight and paper so she could check out the terms and conditions while I tasted a few things. All was satisfactory with both of us, so paid my salida and we left for the hotel.

I should probably explain the flashlight thing at this point.

I speak very little Spanish, and I want to be very clear when I negotiate with the girls. I go to Google Translate on the computer, write up all of the phrases for everything I could possibly want from a girl, and print them out in a column. Then, when I get to the negotiation phase with a girl, I take a pen and underline all of the particular things I want, and connect the lines to a blank space with the word"pesos?" at the end. If she agrees to all of the underlined actions, she is invited to write in a number in front of the word "pesos?". Sometimes I get a number that is smaller than I would have offered, and I immediately accept. Other times we negotiate.

I carry a very small flashlight for this purpose, as it is too dark to see sometimes. The flashlight also makes for some very interesting games in a dark privado. Giggling, laughter, and some downright silliness can result from some flashlight games. It has resulted in overcoming some reluctance during a provido negotiation in the past also.

Only one hour in the hotel was negotiated this time as I have to get seriously prepared for a todo la noche with the little blonde spinner favorita tonight.

[Larbo]

Mother Nature raised her ugly head. What a bummer!

The little blonde spinner I had on call for todo la noche was unable to report for duty. She was involved with a messy monthly visit from Aunt Flo, if you know what I mean. What to do? It was too late to call and reserve time with someone else, as my favoritas should all be at work already. I decided to go to El Infi and take out the leggy brunette for the third time this trip. I didn`t call her first because she should have already been at work.

I got to little Infi around 7:00pm and looked around for the leggy brunette. Not anywhere in sight, so decided to wait for her to return from the privados. Bad assumption. Two waiters that knew just what I was looking for came over and informed me that she had called, and wouldn`t be coming in to work. I had the manager call her and ask if she would come in for me, and went back to my table to wait for an answer.

After quite some time, and several phone calls that I observed, I saw him call the leggy brunett`s amiga up to the bar for a discussion. My leggy brunette and this amiga of hers account for about half of all the privado action in this club. This amiga is only. 5 or so behind the leggy brunette in face and body, and is definitely on my short list for a try-out. Anyway, I saw them glancing my way often during this discussion, and knew something was up. Probably she wasn`t coming in.

A few minutes later, the waiter with the best English came over and said my favorita had family at her casa, and couldn`t come in tonight. A good excuse, but who really knows if it was true? Wow, two bummers in a row, in the same night! He had just started to point at the the amiga, whan I interrupted and motioned her over to my table. I had already figured out the situation while they were still talking. She pulled a chair up beside me and snuggled in to start a pitch, but I just pulled out my slip of paper and started negotiations.

She started to laugh immediately at what I was doing. Obviously, no one does this other than me. Anyway, the laughter was a very good sign for more than one reason. It usually overcomes some mild reluctance at some of the terms and conditions, and also points out a possible relaxed and carefree session at the hotel.

No problem at all with the negotiations, and the three hour session at the hotel went well beyond the negotiated terms. In addition, she was delightfully playfull and willing. Play time alternated with serious porn. Will definitely repeat, as I got her cell number plus other data.

My problem now is this. This leggy brunette is amiga`s with leggy brunette number one, but not amiga`s with the little blonde spinner, who is also amiga with leggy brunette number one. Oh well, potential problems have future solutions.

This was far different from what I had planned for this evening, but the results were just as exhausting.

I really hope day eleven goes as planned, as I am really getting drained, and just need a really pure GFE session to finish up this trip.

[Member #3453]

Mother Nature raised her ugly head. What a bummer!

The little blonde spinner I had on call for todo la noche was unable to report for duty. She was involved with a messy monthly visit from Aunt Flo, if you know what I mean. What to do? It was too late to call and reserve time with someone else, as my favoritas should all be at work already. I decided to go to El Infi and take out the leggy brunette for the third time this trip. I didn`t call her first because she should have already been at work.

I got to little Infi around 7:00pm and looked around for the leggy brunette. Not anywhere in sight, so decided to wait for her to return from the privados. Bad assumption. Two waiters that knew just what I was looking for came over and informed me that she had called, and wouldn`t be coming in to work. I had the manager call her and ask if she would come in for me, and went back to my table to wait for an answer.

After quite some time, and several phone calls that I observed, I saw him call the leggy brunett`s amiga up to the bar for a discussion. My leggy brunette and this amiga of hers account for about half of all the privado action in this club. This amiga is only. 5 or so behind the leggy brunette in face and body, and is definitely on my short list for a try-out. Anyway, I saw them glancing my way often during this discussion, and knew something was up. Probably she wasn`t coming in.

A few minutes later, the waiter with the best English came over and said my favorita had family at her casa, and couldn`t come in tonight. A good excuse, but who really knows if it was true? Wow, two bummers in a row, in the same night! He had just started to point at the the amiga, whan I interrupted and motioned her over to my table. I had already figured out the situation while they were still talking. She pulled a chair up beside me and snuggled in to start a pitch, but I just pulled out my slip of paper and started negotiations.

She started to laugh immediately at what I was doing. Obviously, no one does this other than me. Anyway, the laughter was a very good sign for more than one reason. It usually overcomes some mild reluctance at some of the terms and conditions, and also points out a possible relaxed and carefree session at the hotel.

No problem at all with the negotiations, and the three hour session at the hotel went well beyond the negotiated terms. In addition, she was delightfully playfull and willing. Play time alternated with serious porn. Will definitely repeat, as I got her cell number plus other data.

My problem now is this. This leggy brunette is amiga`s with leggy brunette number one, but not amiga`s with the little blonde spinner, who is also amiga with leggy brunette number one. Oh well, potential problems have future solutions.

This was far different from what I had planned for this evening, but the results were just as exhausting.

I really hope day eleven goes as planned, as I am really getting drained, and just need a really pure GFE session to finish up this trip. Very "creative" scenario indeed. But, it's true, just when you think the chips are down, Monterrey has a way of filling your every need, and sometimes beyond your wildest expectations.

[Larbo]

Finally, something goes almost as planned. Got my relaxed GFE session with my favorita, a little later than planned, but got it just the same.

The supplier I was visiting had some problems that were going to keep me on site late, so I called her and told her to just go to work and I would pick her up at El Infinito's when I could get there.

Got to Infinito's about 8:30, and as soon as she saw me, she finished up her drink at the table she was at and came over and sat down. No negotiations required, as our dates are a well known quantity. We were out of there after a relaxed couple of beers.

A very nice relaxing end to a trip that was far more exploratory in nature that I am used to, but very exciting and rewarding on any number of levels. I have always searched out strange when the mood struck, but never at this level of intensity.

This trip really kicked me out of my rut, and while I will still enjoy all the delights of my present favoritas, I have several new and exciting prospects as well. I also have a challenge in sorting out the relationship problems between the little blonde spinner and the two leggy brunettes. I definitely want all three!

I have requirements to be back in Monterrey in two or three weeks, so I have time to catch my breath and make a few plans.

All in all, a GREAT eleven days.

[Bbond]

All in all, a GREAT eleven days.

Glad you had a good time.

Makes one wonder why more guys don't come down.

Good times can be found here, if a guy really wants to find them.

Don't worry about sorting, a little competition works in our favor, trust me on that.

[Member #3453]

Finally, something goes almost as planned. Got my relaxed GFE session with my favorita, a little later than planned, but got it just the same.

The supplier I was visiting had some problems that were going to keep me on site late, so I called her and told her to just go to work and I would pick her up at El Infinito's when I could get there.

Got to Infinito's about 8:30, and as soon as she saw me, she finished up her drink at the table she was at and came over and sat down. No negotiations required, as our dates are a well known quantity. We were out of there after a relaxed couple of beers.

A very nice relaxing end to a trip that was far more exploratory in nature that I am used to, but very exciting and rewarding on any number of levels. I have always searched out strange when the mood struck, but never at this level of intensity.

This trip really kicked me out of my rut, and while I will still enjoy all the delights of my present favoritas, I have several new and exciting prospects as well. I also have a challenge in sorting out the relationship problems between the little blonde spinner and the two leggy brunettes. I definitely want all three!

I have requirements to be back in Monterrey in two or three weeks, so I have time to catch my breath and make a few plans.

All in all, a GREAT eleven days. Oh crap. We just missed you! At least two of the Pigmy girls were back working Friday night at Givenchy. I happen to be with a visitor to Monterrey late Friday afternoon and early evening, a member of the forum that has visited Monterrey before. He likes making the rounds with someone local. He was interested in seeing the Pigmy Girls so I took him over there. I asked for you, but you had either not arrived yet, or we just missed you. But, we were there quite early, about 6pm. I assume you may have visited after we left. We went over to El Infinito for a while after that. I also met your salida from Givenchy from one of your prior nights. She was, in my opinion, one of the better choices there Friday afternoon. And, surprisingly, Givenchy had a pretty decent line up there relatively early late Friday afternoon. Glad you enjoyed Monterrey...

[MonterreyDude]

That is right Larbo.

Seems we missed you by a couple of minutes.

By the way, found out me and you, we are sharing one of your spinners.

Not my full GF, too money inclined for my tastes (her face is a dead give away) , but a nice girl.


Finally, something goes almost as planned. Got my relaxed GFE session with my favorita, a little later than planned, but got it just the same.

The supplier I was visiting had some problems that were going to keep me on site late, so I called her and told her to just go to work and I would pick her up at El Infinito's when I could get there.

Got to Infinito's about 8:30, and as soon as she saw me, she finished up her drink at the table she was at and came over and sat down. No negotiations required, as our dates are a well known quantity. We were out of there after a relaxed couple of beers.

A very nice relaxing end to a trip that was far more exploratory in nature that I am used to, but very exciting and rewarding on any number of levels. I have always searched out strange when the mood struck, but never at this level of intensity.

This trip really kicked me out of my rut, and while I will still enjoy all the delights of my present favoritas, I have several new and exciting prospects as well. I also have a challenge in sorting out the relationship problems between the little blonde spinner and the two leggy brunettes. I definitely want all three!

I have requirements to be back in Monterrey in two or three weeks, so I have time to catch my breath and make a few plans.

All in all, a GREAT eleven days.

[Larbo]

That is right Larbo.

Seems we missed you by a couple of minutes.

By the way, found out me and you, we are sharing one of your spinners.

Not my full GF, too money inclined for my tastes (her face is a dead give away) , but a nice girl. You have good taste. She is a bit money inclined, but this is, after all, the way she makes her living. I take advantage of that sometimes during negotiations.

[MonterreyDude]

Not "you". WE have good tastes.

She is good.

That's why I like her, but yes, there are others, not just her.


You have good taste. She is a bit money inclined, but this is, after all, the way she makes her living. I take advantage of that sometimes during negotiations.

[Larbo]

I will be in Monterrey for 7 days, Tuesday to Tuesday. No plans for clubs made yet. If anyone will be somewhere specific during this time, I will try to meet up, as long as it isn't late. I do my club business relatively early, like somewhere between 5:00 and 8:00pm. At this point in my Monterrey mongering career, I am only interested in Infinito's, Givenchy, Tangalay, and El Infi. Only on the weekend for El Infi.

I will probably spend at least four nights with favorita "call-in's" to my hotel. I have a small back log after last trip, and a couple of them I just have to experience every time I come down. That leaves three nights to get out to zona centro.

I intend to play as hard as I work!

[Larbo]

not "you". we have good tastes.

she is good.

that's why i like her, but yes, there are others, not just her.i did the spinner again last night.

now that you and i talked about it, she did seem a bit more money oriented than i remember. it took some of the edge off the experience. i took advantage of it though. whenever she did something to hurry the process, i used it to break the rush to conclusion, and actually extended the process, and therefore, my enjoyment of it. i also got a small kick out of the feeling of competition i was feeling at her expense. the competition of her trying to speed things up, and me slowing things down.

it ended up being a very nice time, with her finally giving up and doing things my way, very complient.

don`t know if i will do her again. my stable is getting too full to handle. too many choices among the regulars, and not enough time for chasing strange. if i have to drop a regular, it will probably be her.

[Larbo]

Went to infinito's tonight to look for a little strange. Went early so none of my regulars would be there. Even as early as 6:00pm they had two stages running, and I couldn't find a proper table right away. Finally grabbed a table that opened up between stage one and two, and settled in with a Tecate.

Checked out the display at the first meat rack call. About 15 girls to choose from. There may have been more in the privado's already. Saw one I had done before, with disappointing results, so avoided her and took three others in a row upstairs to check out the goods. All three had too much silicone for me, so as soon as the meat rack call was over, I called the one I had done before to my table.

My reason for disappointment on a previous session with this girl was that she didn't deliver as promised when we got to the hotel. I have certain requirements that I negotiate for, and do not usually repeat if they are not met. This girl is so darn hot, however, that I decided to repeat, but with some insurance.

I did my usual negotiations with the flashlight and the list of options. I made sure I got it all in writing. Three hours or two completions of my favorite specialty, whichever comes first. Then, off to the hotel.

Sure enough, she attempted to renege on the specialty. I showed her the paper we had negotiated on, and she finally agreed.

After the first completion, she was ready to go. I said no. She argued enough to make me mad and lose my erection. When I would attempt to remind her of the agreement, she would pretend to not understand, even when I showed her the negotiating paper.

I took my phone and used Google translate to tell her that if she didn't complete the agreement, I would go back to Infinito's with her and talk to the manager, who knows me.

Instant transformation! All requirements of the negotiations were met with no more arguments!

She left on a good note, as we pre-negotiated our next session, and I expect no further difficulties.

She is so darned hot and young looking that the whole episode was worth it, especially now that we are on different footing. She knows now that I am not a typical gringo that caves at the first little whine or whimper.

[Larbo]

Went to El Infi on Madero last night, Sunday, about 5:30pm. It was closed and the door was locked. Nobody there. Don't know if it was a Sunday thing, if I was too early, or what.

I'll try to check it out in the next day or two unless someone knows something and posts earlier.

[MexCanuck]

1st time writing on this board. I have been coming to Monterrey for about 12 years now and only a few months ago found this board. I usually spend about 10 days a month in Monterrey.

Always been going to the clubs but especially infinito, bahammas and casinos on madero.

I find the information that monterreydude and unspongebob place here interesting and informative even after all these years coming here. Surprised that I have not noticed you around if you are both American unless I have but did not know it was you. I thought that I was the only english speaking person that went to these clubs on a regular basis. Things have changed considerably over the last 2 to 3 years with having to be more careful but generally things are still the same and I take taxis everywhere. Years ago, I drove everywhere but the cops got more and more greedy when they stoped me and since there is no mistaking me for a mexican they think I have lots of money. Just became a hazzle.

I just spent the whole month of February in monterrey and then was back from March 20th until the 30th. I need to recuperate because I always spend too much time at the clubs and don't get back to the hotel until early morning to work the next day.

[PlataSexy]

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[Marius 67]

I live in Rio Grande city Texas, and right now there is no way for me to travel to Monterrey, all bus routes from reynosa all the way to laredo; busses have stop running once again, this Thursday morning I was in Migual Aleman to get my passport renewed, thought it would be a good time to be in Moneterrey this easter weekend, when I was cought in a cross-fire, one of the scariest moments of my life, I ran to a pharmacy close by to take cover, it lasted a little over two hours, then made a run to the international bridge which is only a couple of hundred yards away, when I got to customs in the US, they detained my for about an hour and questioned me over what was going on in mexico, and making sure I was not envolved in the gun fight. After talking to the border agents, they said any and all routes going to Monterrey from nothern towns is high risk. Mexico must have some kind of civil war. I'am still kind of in shock from the experience from this morning. Think twice about going to Mexico now.

[Member #3453]

thought it would be a good time to be in Moneterrey this easter weekendReally, seriously, Marius, if you have any experience in Monterrey whatsoever, you must know that visiting around Easter is like the deadest time of year, maybe second only to Christmas, if that. Probably no less than 75% of the bar girls have kids, and 95% have families. That same sense of duty that motivates 90% of the girls to demean themselves in the bars for their kid's benefit, will be no less a motivation to be with their kids, and/or their families, at Easter. Many will be traveling back home to other parts of Mexico to be with family, and many will be spending time right in Monterrey doing Easter related "kid stuff."

Believe me, the bar girls will be totally and completely occupied during the Easter weekend, and their availability will be virtually non-existent.

You know, I find your stories amusing for several reasons Marius. Overall, for this reason...I regularly travel by bus between the US and Mexico, and have absolutely no problems whatsoever.

Why is it that as frequently as I make those trips between the US and Mexico, I have NEVER had any problems whatsoever, nor have I ever even seen anything even remotely approaching the "suspense" that seems to be regular part of your life traveling between the US and Mexico, you experiencing what is akin to "Civil War" each and every time you attempt to make the trip?

I also find it amusing and suspiciously coincidental, that every time activity on the forum is running at a slow pace, with very little new commentary being posted, like the last few weeks, we see what could only be described as unverifiable, and wildly sensationalized experiences from you concerning Monterrey, ones that no other mongers ever seem to also "endure" in their own exploits. Why is that? I would suspect that at least we would also hear the same kinds of stories being related by other mongers coming to Monterrey on a regular basis. Yet, we hear from them that in their experiences Monterrey is safe, they're having fun, their travels have been uneventful, with no suspenseful, life threatening experiences, and that they have been virtually unaffected by the "Civil War" you say exists.

Could it be you are just planting seeds, bored that the forum is slow, and hoping to act as a catalyst for commentary...?????

Bored? Craving entertainment are we? :-))) Well, you are planting the seeds for literary discourse in what has become a virtual wasteland of bogus reports and disingenuous contributors? Enjoy...

[Marius 67]

Really, seriously, Marius, if you have any experience in Monterrey whatsoever, you must know that visiting around Easter is like the deadest time of year, maybe second only to Christmas, if that. Probably no less than 75% of the bar girls have kids, and 95% have families. That same sense of duty that motivates 90% of the girls to demean themselves in the bars for their kid's benefit, will be no less a motivation to be with their kids, and / or their families, at Easter. Many will be traveling back home to other parts of Mexico to be with family, and many will be spending time right in Monterrey doing Easter related "kid stuff."

Believe me, the bar girls will be totally and completely occupied during the Easter weekend, and their availability will be virtually non-existent.

You know, I find your stories amusing for several reasons Marius. Overall, for this reason. I regularly travel by bus between the US and Mexico, and have absolutely no problems whatsoever.

Why is it that as frequently as I make those trips between the US and Mexico, I have NEVER had any problems whatsoever, nor have I ever even seen anything even remotely approaching the "suspense" that seems to be regular part of your life traveling between the US and Mexico, you experiencing what is akin to "Civil War" each and every time you attempt to make the trip?

I also find it amusing and suspiciously coincidental, that every time activity on the forum is running at a slow pace, with very little new commentary being posted, like the last few weeks, we see what could only be described as unverifiable, and wildly sensationalized experiences from you concerning Monterrey, ones that no other mongers ever seem to also "endure" in their own exploits. Why is that? I would suspect that at least we would also hear the same kinds of stories being related by other mongers coming to Monterrey on a regular basis. Yet, we hear from them that in their experiences Monterrey is safe, they're having fun, their travels have been uneventful, with no suspenseful, life threatening experiences, and that they have been virtually unaffected by the "Civil War" you say exists.

Could it be you are just planting seeds, bored that the forum is slow, and hoping to act as a catalyst for commentary?

Bored? Craving entertainment are we?.) Well, you are planting the seeds for literary discourse in what has become a virtual wasteland of bogus reports and disingenuous contributors? Enjoy. Sir, the incident I talk about was in the Mcallen monitor newspaper website, whats messed up about it, was that the Town mayor of Megual Aleman said no such incident had occured, I was there, seen it, but mostly heard the mexican army and the thugs shooting at each other. I was too afraid to take a peak when hiding in the pharmacy I agree with your statement; the last few months it seemed that everything was back to normal in Mexico; then all of a sudden Sh*t hits the fan. Also tell me why the busses have stop running? I know why, because zetas were boarding busses and just randomly killing people, also they are finding more graves with hundreds of people in them. And it's reported that only a fraction of those mass graves have been found, and most of the victims were kiddnapped from busses. I really would like for mexico to be safer.

[Member #3453]

Sir, the incident I talk about was in the Mcallen monitor newspaper website, whats messed up about it, was that the Town mayor of Megual Aleman said no such incident had occured, I was there, seen it, but mostly heard the mexican army and the thugs shooting at each other. I was too afraid to take a peak when hiding in the pharmacy I agree with your statement; the last few months it seemed that everything was back to normal in Mexico; then all of a sudden Sh*t hits the fan. Also tell me why the busses have stop running? I know why, because zetas were boarding busses and just randomly killing people, also they are finding more graves with hundreds of people in them. And it's reported that only a fraction of those mass graves have been found, and most of the victims were kiddnapped from busses. I really would like for mexico to be safer.The part of your post that implies that people are being yanked off of buses and murdered, then buried in mass graves, is totally and completed unsubstantiated.

The occupants of mass graves are Cartel members, or Cartel Sympathizers, that have been targeted by rival gangs, murdered, and disposed of in mass graves.

The mass graves have nothing whatsoever to do with people being kidnapped off of buses in large numbers, murdered, and buried in mass graves.

[Marius 67]

The part of your post that implies that people are being yanked off of buses and murdered, then buried in mass graves, is totally and completed unsubstantiated.

The occupants of mass graves are Cartel members, or Cartel Sympathizers, that have been targeted by rival gangs, murdered, and disposed of in mass graves.

The mass graves have nothing whatsoever to do with people being kidnapped off of buses in large numbers, murdered, and buried in mass graves. Please see this news cast, it's from the Mcallen News station; it's in english! Listen to what the news caster says the bodies come from. Adminstarters please do not censor the link, as it shows the real dangers in Mexico at this moment and it comes from a legitament local news station.

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=609221

[Larbo]

Please see this news cast, it's from the Mcallen News station; it's in english! Listen to what the news caster says the bodies come from. Adminstarters please do not censor the link, as it shows the real dangers in Mexico at this moment and it comes from a legitament local news station.

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=609221If non-gang US citizens were being yanked off a bus going North to South from the border, all of the US newspapers would be full of accounts of the action. Newspapers live for this sort of thing. My company would be forbidding me to travel to Mexico, and that certainly hasn't happened.

I stand by my previous post.

If you are not a member of one of the gangs, if you are not a member of the police or Federal troops actively fighting the gangs, if you are not carrying a suitcase full of money to buy drugs, and if you are not trying to take over the turf of one of the gangs, then you are as safe as you have ever been in Monterrey.

You still have to take the same precautions you should have always been taking. They are the same precautions you take in any city when you are in an area where there are opportunistic individuals ready to take adventage of unwary prey. Previous reports state these precautions in detail. If you are not doing these precautionary actions at all times, you are in danger, but not in any more danger than you have always been.

[Member #3453]

Please see this news cast, it's from the Mcallen News station; it's in english! Listen to what the news caster says the bodies come from. Adminstarters please do not censor the link, as it shows the real dangers in Mexico at this moment and it comes from a legitament local news station.

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=609221The news media is merely a pawn of both governments. I trust the government about as much as I trust the news media. In all respects, everything they say has an underlying hidden agenda. That is pure, unadulterated BS that the mass graves consist of kidnapped bus riders. Pure BS!

[Cdiazgto]

[QUOTE. That is pure, unadulterated BS that the mass graves consist of kidnapped bus riders. Pure BS! [/QUOTE]Why the denial?

It is true that the majority of those found in mass graves are as you stated, cartel related. But there are 100's of confirmed cases to the contrary. The bodies of people abducted from busses have been positively identified in mass graves.

That is no BS.

[Member #3453]

[/QUOTE]The bodies of people abducted from busses have been positively identified in mass graves. That is no BS. [/QUOTE]

It is being implied that "innocent" travelers by bus, in large numbers, are being randomly pulled off of buses by the Cartels, and murdered, and that these travelers have no connection to the Cartels. That is the BS part. Cartel members are being pulled off of buses, and later found murdered, and in mass graves.

Those that are being pulled off of buses are mostly victims of independent freelancers intent on robbery, and they are not ending up, murdered, in mass graves.

The implied warnings that suggest you have a higher likelihood of being murdered by the Cartels because you choose to take a bus from the border to Monterrey is BS.

The recommended travel times by bus between the border and Monterrey are 6am-3pm. That significantly reduces the likelihood of your being targeted for what is essentially criminal activity, ie; robbery.

If you are a careful monger, and not a Cartel member, your likelihood of being victimized by the Cartels is still exceedingly low, even when traveling by bus.

[Marius 67]

this next news piece is from the los angeles times.

oh, unsponged just stated the times is also lying; also states some were american killed on the busses!


by tracy wilkinson, los angeles times.

reporting from matamoros, mexico— suitcases started piling up, unclaimed, at the depot where buses crossing northern tamaulipas state ended their route. that should have been an early clue.

then the bodies started piling up, pulled by forensic workers from two dozen hidden graves in the scruffy brush-covered ravines around the town of san fernando. 80 miles south of this city that borders brownsville, texas.

at least 177 corpses have been recovered in the last few weeks, most of them, officials now say, passengers snatched from interstate buses, tortured and slaughtered. women were raped before being killed, and some victims were burned alive, according to accounts from survivors who eventually overcame their fears and came forward.

the slayings have horrified a mexican public already awash in violence and led commentators to call them "our auschwitz" and a "mexican genocide."

worse yet is the realization that the killing in tamaulipas state has been going on for months — including the brutal slayings of bus passengers — and no one, not the bus companies, nor the police, nor the officials in charge, acted to stop it.

elida martinez, a gray-haired woman in her 60s, was one of dozens of mothers, fathers and siblings of the missing who were waiting in the morgue here the other day to offer blood samples for dna testing.

two of her daughters disappeared in february, one kidnapped from the hotel in san fernando where she worked and the other seized from her home in the middle of the night a short time later. between them they left behind four children.

"you pray to god you won't find them here," she said. yet the gut-wrenching uncertainty tears her apart."you don't sleep. you can't work. you live in anguish."

it now appears, however, that the killings continued, and not just of immigrants but mexican citizens and, perhaps, a handful of americans. on wednesday, authorities said they had rescued a group of 68 mexicans and central americans who had been seized by gangsters from buses or from bus stations in the same area.

the motives behind the bus kidnappings remain unclear. gangs may seize the passengers hoping to extort money from them, to forcibly recruit them or because they are searching for rivals.

the killings have galvanized an unusual if belated consensus, even among conservative commentators and politicians, that parts of mexico have indeed been lost to criminal gangs such as the zetas and the gulf cartel that control (and are battling each other to dominate) the northeast. what does it mean, they ask, when the federal government cannot keep the nation's highways safe from brazen predators?

[Member #3453]

This next News Piece is from the Los Angeles Times.

Oh, unsponged just stated the Times is also lying; also states some were American killed on the busses!

The Times is a Socialist RAG that is close to bankruptcy! They're the worst offenders of dubious, self serving, hidden agendas! I stand by my assessment of the main stream media...

But, none the less, I did not say that some incidents did not happen. I merely stated that these occurrences are not common. And of this sampling of occurrences, I said that the circumstances of the abductions and murder did not occur primarily at the hands of the Cartels, unless said victims were Cartel members themselves.

There are plane crashes too, but few of us refuse to fly because they happen to occur occasionally. When an entire plane goes down with several hundred passengers, something that occurs far more frequently than the single incident of a bus abduction and murder, everyone accepts the loss with respect to getting on airplanes themselves. Everyone knows that statistically it is not likely to happen to them. But, an analogy can be drawn...several hundred on a plane, and one hundred on ONE (1) bus.

In making my comments, I am drawing the same kind of analogy. Travelers accept a certain element of risk when flying. When traveling by bus in Mexico, the risk of being killed at the hands of banditos intent on robbery, murder, and eventual interment in a mass grave is significantly less than a potential plane crash.

Did you know there are more deaths per billions of people on buses, just from accidents, than from plane crashes? These are bus accidents, and not the statistically infinitesimally small number of bus robberies and murders where whole buses ended up in mass graves.

Your risk of death by bus with respect to accidents is .4 in one billion people, by air it is .05 in one billion people. The odds of being a victim of robbery, murder, and ending up in a mass grave between Mexico and the US border, provided you travel with precautions in mind, are so inconsequential that they can not even be statistically measured. You have a greater likelihood of being killed in a bus accident than being murdered by banditos, and interred in a mass grave.

The media likes to promote the idea that all the mayhem against innocents is at the hands of the Cartels, and they pander to a buying public, sensationalizing the news for their own profit, and fulfillment of their own dubious agendas.

I say most of these incidents are crimes of opportunity committed by freelancers that are running free as government officials deal with the Cartels, having no time or resources to deal with random crime that is not Cartel related.

There are incidents of "crime" occurring all the time in Mexico, and there are freelancers committing crimes in Mexico that have no specific affiliation with the Cartels and/or their specific agenda. Many are crimes of opportunity, committed during late hours, some of which are committed against the buses. But, they are crimes committed by freelancers, and they are not primarily committed by the Cartels upon innocent victims with no ties to Cartel activity, nor are they anything relating to any kind of Civil unrest, or anarchy theory. It's just random crime...

I ride the buses all the time. Provided you follow the proper travel agenda with respect to time of day, just as you should with respect to exposing yourself to the risk of random crimes anywhere in the world, it is relatively safe.

I do not tempt fate, and choose to ride them at night. I do ride them so my arrival is during daylight hours. I simply follow the precautions I would normally follow to avoid random criminal acts.

The Mexican Army is patrolling the highway between Laredo and Monterrey during daytime hours, and the incidents of "Crime, and/or "Cartel Activity," are diminished significantly as a result.

I don't know the circumstances near Brownsville or McAllen, but maybe you should just take a short bus ride up to Laredo if you're worried about the routes you normally take between the border and Monterrey Marius...

Don't blow it so far out of proportion when you see a news story about an isolated incident. An isolated incident does not make a trend. Statistically, the risks are just not there with respect to bus travel between the border and Monterrey...

[MonterreyDude]

Mmmm the LA Times Socialist?

A privatly owned newspaper geared, diminished, employee minimized as to please the stock holders. Socialist?

A total example of capitalism disguised as a socilist propaganda pamphlet?

Total contradiction to the term.

Anyway. Where is the link?

That IS the main topic.


The Times is a Socialist RAG that is close to bankruptcy! They're the worst offenders of dubious, self serving, hidden agendas! I stand by my assessment of the main stream media.

But, none the less, I did not say that some incidents did not happen. I merely stated that these occurrences are not common. And of this sampling of occurrences, I said that the circumstances of the abductions and murder did not occur primarily at the hands of the Cartels, unless said victims were Cartel members themselves.

There are plane crashes too, but few of us refuse to fly because they happen to occur occasionally. When an entire plane goes down with several hundred passengers, something that occurs far more frequently than the single incident of a bus abduction and murder, everyone accepts the loss with respect to getting on airplanes themselves. Everyone knows that statistically it is not likely to happen to them. But, an analogy can be drawn. Several hundred on a plane, and one hundred on ONE (1) bus.

In making my comments, I am drawing the same kind of analogy. Travelers accept a certain element of risk when flying. When traveling by bus in Mexico, the risk of being killed at the hands of banditos intent on robbery, murder, and eventual interment in a mass grave is significantly less than a potential plane crash.

Did you know there are more deaths per billions of people on buses, just from accidents, than from plane crashes? These are bus accidents, and not the statistically infinitesimally small number of bus robberies and murders where whole buses ended up in mass graves.

Your risk of death by bus with respect to accidents is. 4 in one billion people, by air it is. 05 in one billion people. The odds of being a victim of robbery, murder, and ending up in a mass grave between Mexico and the US border, provided you travel with precautions in mind, are so inconsequential that they can not even be statistically measured. You have a greater likelihood of being killed in a bus accident than being murdered by banditos, and interred in a mass grave.

The media likes to promote the idea that all the mayhem against innocents is at the hands of the Cartels, and they pander to a buying public, sensationalizing the news for their own profit, and fulfillment of their own dubious agendas.

I say most of these incidents are crimes of opportunity committed by freelancers that are running free as government officials deal with the Cartels, having no time or resources to deal with random crime that is not Cartel related.

There are incidents of "crime" occurring all the time in Mexico, and there are freelancers committing crimes in Mexico that have no specific affiliation with the Cartels and / or their specific agenda. Many are crimes of opportunity, committed during late hours, some of which are committed against the buses. But, they are crimes committed by freelancers, and they are not primarily committed by the Cartels upon innocent victims with no ties to Cartel activity, nor are they anything relating to any kind of Civil unrest, or anarchy theory. It's just random crime.

I ride the buses all the time. Provided you follow the proper travel agenda with respect to time of day, just as you should with respect to exposing yourself to the risk of random crimes anywhere in the world, it is relatively safe.

I do not tempt fate, and choose to ride them at night. I do ride them so my arrival is during daylight hours. I simply follow the precautions I would normally follow to avoid random criminal acts.

The Mexican Army is patrolling the highway between Laredo and Monterrey during daytime hours, and the incidents of "Crime, and / or "Cartel Activity," are diminished significantly as a result.

I don't know the circumstances near Brownsville or McAllen, but maybe you should just take a short bus ride up to Laredo if you're worried about the routes you normally take between the border and Monterrey Marius.

Don't blow it so far out of proportion when you see a news story about an isolated incident. An isolated incident does not make a trend. Statistically, the risks are just not there with respect to bus travel between the border and Monterrey.

[Member #3453]

Mmmm the LA Times Socialist?

A privatly owned newspaper geared, diminished, employee minimized as to please the stock holders. Socialist?

A total example of capitalism disguised as a socilist propaganda pamphlet?

Total contradiction to the term.

Anyway. Where is the link?

That IS the main topic.

As in their having a "Socialist" agenda...

And, they are not good capitalists. Their rag is going bankrupt as they adopt and promote their socialist agenda through a totally reprehensible and dramatic slanting of the news to their own leftist, socialistic political views, thereby incrementally losing all credibility with the "buying" public at large.

That is NOT unbiased journalism...

THAT is Propaganda.

And, yes, where IS the link???? :-)))))

[Dad Fun 555]

It is being implied that "innocent" travelers by bus, in large numbers, are being randomly pulled off of buses by the Cartels, and murdered, and that these travelers have no connection to the Cartels. That is the BS part. Cartel members are being pulled off of buses, and later found murdered, and in mass graves.I'm not sure what data you have access to that says all the victims pulled off the buses are cartel members. From what's being reported in the mainstream most the identities of the remains have not even been determined yet (much less cartel affiliation). Tho I guess anybody killed in Mexico is presumed cartel member until proven otherwise.

Interestingly, the reports from Marius here were the first I heard about highway violence in this area of Mexico (when everybody here called BS) and it wasn't until much later that it was reported in the border violence blogs and even later BBC, NYT, etc. (makes it harder to make a convincing case it is just made up by the media if the didn't jump on it immediately).

I personally have been advised that highway travel between Laredo & Monterrey is no longer secure although flying into Monterrey is ok. Situation reminds me of Colombia back before they secured the highways and the only option for intercity travel was to fly.

[MonterreyDude]

Nobody but mongering is twisting your arm to come to Monterrey. It's up to you.

But though I agree that highway violence is high it is limited to central Tamaulipas state. The northern part has now been pacified by the army's fire power.

And then again, all highway robberies occured during the night time.

Time and time again it has been mentioned that traveling should be done during the day time when all highways in the state of Nuevo Leon are checked by federal forces and the stretch of highway between Monterrey and Nuevo Laredo belonging to the state of Tamaulipas is also closly watched.

Please do not say that the highway between Monterrey and Nuevo Laredo is no longer secure.

You have no idea of what you are saying. You have no idea of the ammount of traffic that travels not only between Monterrey and Nuevo Laredo, but between Reynosa and Monterrey.

Both are main connections between Nuevo Leon and the US and traffic is extremely heavy.

And this involves both commercial and private traveling to Texas. Which I must point out, Monterrey is the main lifeforce of the both Texas border cities of Laredo, McAllen and almost the whole of the Rio Grande Valley, incluiding South Padre Island, mostly owned by rich people of Monterrey.


I'm not sure what data you have access to that says all the victims pulled off the buses are cartel members. From what's being reported in the mainstream most the identities of the remains have not even been determined yet (much less cartel affiliation). Tho I guess anybody killed in Mexico is presumed cartel member until proven otherwise.

Interestingly, the reports from Marius here were the first I heard about highway violence in this area of Mexico (when everybody here called BS) and it wasn't until much later that it was reported in the border violence blogs and even later BBC, NYT, etc. (makes it harder to make a convincing case it is just made up by the media if the didn't jump on it immediately).

I personally have been advised that highway travel between Laredo & Monterrey is no longer secure although flying into Monterrey is ok. Situation reminds me of Colombia back before they secured the highways and the only option for intercity travel was to fly.

[MonterreyDude]

I just bumped into a Viagra ad in the newspaper. Farmacias de Guadalajara is selling chewable Viagra.

That one is new to me. But the ad is legit, it is Pfizer's V.

163 pesos for a 50 mg smurff.

This way guys, you can place your Vitamin V inside a TicTac pack. For color matching mint swirl will do.

Cure bad breath and ED at the same time.

[Member #3453]

I wish they would work on the after effects rather than making it chewable. I can just chew on a little trident, or eat a few tic-tacs and take care of the breath, and no after effects, other than sparkling fresh heavy breathing. :-)))

I get just too much sinus congestion and acid stomach when taking Viagra. I notice that the MaxiFort tablets, the little yellow ones, which are only 50mg each, do not give me the degree of sinus congestion, even when I take two of them to make 100mg. But, both Viagra and MaxiFort do give me acid stomach pretty consistently unless I treat the condition before hand.

My routine for taking ED meds?

Take the med, take an anti-acido, take a few aspirin, or Advil, for the headache that will eventually follow, which is probably just a result of the sinus congestion. I will sometimes take a sinus pill to eliminate the sinus congestion. Of course, I don't usually mix the sinus meds and the aspirin/Advil. I always choose one or the other because the after effects can tend to make me a little bit miserable a few hours later, not catastrophic, but just a little too much to endure and still be feel really good for the rest of the night.

I'll have to try the chewable. Who knows, maybe they'll work better for side-effects. They do sound a little costly however. But, it would be totally worth it to reduce the side-effects. Chewable seems like it would reduce the stomach acid considerably, so that would be part of the problem solved.


I just bumped into a Viagra ad in the newspaper. Farmacias de Guadalajara is selling chewable Viagra.

That one is new to me. But the ad is legit, it is Pfizer's V.

163 pesos for a 50 mg smurff.

This way guys, you can place your Vitamin V inside a TicTac pack. For color matching mint swirl will do.

Cure bad breath and ED at the same time.

[Member #3453]

I just want a GFE experience with a girl I can pay to fly around the country with and explore Mexico. Thoughts?

Those guys I've known that have gone the route you describe, looking for legitimate GFE, and porn style sex from non-pros, have used sites like Amigos. Com, and other dating sites. But, they've had relatively dismal rates of success because most of the girls are looking for marriage, and not just to have some hot sex, and GFE/BFE fun, which the "pros" and "semi-pros" are much more open to providing with significantly less of a commitment to all the baggage that goes with a legitimate relationship.

I believe that quasi legitimate relationships with dancers I've known has turned out to be probably closer to what most of us really want and need as males, in spite of our own idea of what we think we want and need.

Why? Because that scenario give us considerably more freedom to explore other options, discretely, while also engaging in a legitimate commitment to a romantic emotional connection, something that ALL females need and want, and something I've found can be established with a little work with some of these dancers I've known.

That's why I look among the dancers for a "professionally skilled" girl to deliver the goods versus among the legitimate good girl types. I've concluded that looking among the "good girls" is sometimes like finding a needle in a haystack in comparison. You can sometimes turn a dancer into something of a legitimate relationship, provided you're "tolerent" of the suspicions and the potential indiscretions that are inherent in their type of vocation. If you can tolerate their vocation, relationships with them can be quite satisfying overall.

Good Luck!

[Dad Fun 555]

I just want a GFE experience with a girl I can pay to fly around the country with and explore Mexico. Thoughts?It is pretty straightforward to hook this up with a pro in Mexico. They all like to travel, and one you get along with would be delighted to have you take her to somewhere especially if it means she can take photos and brag to her friends (also especially if you are paying for first class hotels, flights, restaurants etc.). Monterrey probably would not be the best place to find one though. I swear many of the ladies I've met there have never been outside Monterrey in their whole lives. Better luck finding one along the border (who already have a precedent of "disappearing" for a few weeks at a time). Not sure about doing this with a non-pro, but my guess is it would take a lot more time.

[MonterreyDude]

Some mongers have used this website:

http://www.friendfinder.com (dunno if they use the adult version www.adultfriendfinder.com) to find company and frienship in Monterrey.

No fraud. Real ladies.

One thing to have in mind is that many Mexican ladies have in mind marriage even if it's through a virtual encounter.


I posted a while back seeking info on monterrey or a good place in mexico. I speak spanish daily with my business and latin friends. I fly over mexico on the way to other latin countries about 5 times a year. Can someone please tell me where in mexico I can go and play tennis with a pro and not get ripped off. In Colombia its about $8 for a lesson. Also I want to find a mexican novia that is not a puta. What city would you point me to. Just for the record I have never had any problems getting a girl friend in the USA and especially in a latin country. I just want a GFE experience with a girl I can pay to fly around the country with and explore Mexico. Thoughts?

Thanks

[Super Gato]

I just bumped into a Viagra ad in the newspaper. Farmacias de Guadalajara is selling chewable Viagra.

That one is new to me. But the ad is legit, it is Pfizer's V.

163 pesos for a 50 mg smurff.

This way guys, you can place your Vitamin V inside a TicTac pack. For color matching mint swirl will do.

Cure bad breath and ED at the same time. I read about this in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago. It is called Viagra Jet and is mostly marketing to help the brand keep its prices higher after Pfizer's patent in the US expires next year. It isn't a boner pill / mint combo though. The company said that the chewable form is easier for some to digest than the tablet form as well as it enters your bloodstream a little faster. The bathroom attendant at Adelita Bar in Tijuana had them for $20 / pill last week in a fancy box (these bathroom pharmacists tend to sell regular viagra for $13 / tab). I haven't had to shop in a real pharmacy to know the prices from a place that doesn't operate out of a bathroom. Since I don't suffer ill effects from Maxifort, I'll keep to that.

[Percy1234]

I will be shortly traveling to Monterrey on work and will be staying in the San Pedro Garza Garcia area. This is my first trip to Mexico with more to trips planned in the near future.

I have been active in the usasexguide. Com forum.

I am interested in starting with getting massage services in my hotel room. Massage ending with a smile.

Any suggestions on how to find these service providers?

Sam

[Percy1234]

I will be shortly traveling to Monterrey on work and will be staying in the San Pedro Garza Garcia area. This is my first trip to Mexico with more to trips planned in the near future.

I have been active in the usasexguide. Com forum.

I am interested in starting with getting massage services in my hotel room. Massage ending with a smile.

Any suggestions on how to find these service providers?

SamI tried calling some of the numbers. But couldn't get anybody to speak English. Any suggestions?

[MonterreyDude]

Colonia del Valle district which is part of San Pedro county is a no-no for masage out calls. They will be stopped by security unless they are medium to upper level escorts that know their way around.

And even then it depends on the hotel you are staying.

Try: www.lucesazules.net I think they have a manager that speaks English and ask to get a service from Melody.


I tried calling some of the numbers. But couldn't get anybody to speak English. Any suggestions?

[Member #3453]

I did try the chewable Viagra, and it works pretty well. I didn't have near the side effects from it, almost no acid stomach or sinus issues, especially when I half-ed it.

The cost was 302.47 pesos for two pills. $12. 85 (US) per pill, approximately. They also come packaged one tablet as well. But, the cost for one tablet is, of course, slightly more expensive than 100Mg tablets. The cost of taking the 50Mg tablet versus the 100Mg tablet is also slightly higher than just half-ing the 100Mg. tablet.

You chew it up and swallow it, versus chewing it like gum. It is relatively the size of two regular Viagra. So, it's pretty big, and no way to hide it amongst the tic-tacs.

I broke a 100Mg dosage pill in half for my first test, taking approximately 50Mg.

Unfortunately, it will definitely not double as a breath mint.

It has the consistency of Sweet Tarts, but tastes pretty bad, quite bitter. It will also cause you to have bitter Farmacia breath, so you will need mints or something.

Later, I sampled the full 100Mg dosage of the chewable Viagra. There were slightly stronger after-effects from the whole 100Mg pill. That having been said, the after effects were probably about half of what I normally experience from a full 100Mg dosage of regular Viagra.

With the half dosage (50Mg) of the chewable Viagra, I almost couldn't tell I had even taken it with respect to after effects. It seems like it's effectiveness would be sufficient for me in 50mgs. I noticed that it was effective for me well beyond the 5 hour limit.

The Farmacia Guadalajara does not seem to be stocking large quantities of chewable Viagra at this time. They only had two boxes of two tablets each in the 100Mg dosage in stock. But, I suspect they'll bring more in if demand rises, and they'll bring in more automatically as they deplete their inventory or you order it in.

Conversely, the yellow tablets, Maxi-Fort, seem almost just as effective, they offer about the same level of after-effects as chewable Viagra, but less than standard Viagra bar far, even when taking a full 100 Mg dosage of two Maxi-Fort Tablets at a time to equal the full dosage of the chewable Viagra.

But, the Maxi-Fort pills do not seem to be quite as strong as regular or chewable Viagra with respect to effectiveness. The Maxi-Fort tablets are almost as strong, but I noticed that they do not have quite the same telltale rush sensation as they are taking effect.

I usually buy my Maxi-Fort at Farmacia De Genericas. Maxi-Fort pills are quite a bit cheaper than the chewable Viagra. With volume discounts, buying (3) bottles of (10) pills each, you can get the Maxi-Fort tablets for $360 pesos per bottle of (10) tablets. Normal price is around 400 pesos for one bottle of (10) Maxi-Fort tablets.

Maxi-Fort tablets are only available in 50Mg. pills each. So, if you compare that to the chewable Viagra at 100Mg each, the cost of Maxi-Fort per 100Mg is only $72 pesos per 100Mg dosage ($6. 11 US per 100Mg.). The cost of Maxi-Fort per 100Mg is virtually half the cost of the chewable Viagra, with roughly the same, or just ever-so- slightly stronger side effects than chewable Viagra.

The differences are quite subtle with respect to after-effects between the two. But, I think the side effects of the chewable Viagra are slightly less than the Maxi-Fort. The side effects seem to increase with respect to stomach acid with the whole pills having to be digested in a lump in your stomach, versus chewing up a pill into a small powder, and your system absorbing it more easily.

[Bbond]

I know, personally, a guy that used the site https://mysecuretabs.com/, he says the pills arrive in about 10 days, and worked quite well.

Here is a clip from the confirmation e-mail on what he bought, and what he paid:

Your parcel will be dispatched to you within 24 hours and corresponding confirmation will be emailed.

You have ordered the following product(s):
Generic Viagra Super Active (Sildenafil) 100mg x 10 pcs. = $42.16
Generic Viagra (Sildenafil) 100mg x 10 pcs. = $0.00
Total = $42.16

These product(s) will be dispatched in 24 hours via Airmail (USPS) to following address:

[Member #3453]

I know, personally, a guy that used the site.

https://mysecuretabs.com/

, he says the pills arrive in about 10 days, and worked quite well.

Here is a clip from the confirmation e-mail on what he bought, and what he paid:

Your parcel will be dispatched to you within 24 hours and corresponding confirmation will be emailed.

You have ordered the following product (s) :

Generic Viagra Super Active (Sildenafil) 100mg x 10 pcs. = $42. 16.

Generic Viagra (Sildenafil) 100mg x 10 pcs. = $0. 00.

Total = $42. 16.

These product (s) will be dispatched in 24 hours via Airmail (USPS) to following address:They have pretty good prices.

I always thought ED meds, with the exception of Maxi-Fort, were really expensive in Mexico compared to the price that ED meds could be purchased for in the US.

But, in the US, depending on your individual State laws governing prescriptions, and Federal and State Laws regulating interstate shipment of prescription drugs, I always thought that most would have to factor in the cost of a doctor's visit in order to actually receive a prescription authorizing you to purchase and receive the drugs via the US Mail, etc.

At least for now, there is no prescription to obtain the ED meds in Mexico over the counter. Of course, we all saw the law change recently here in Mexico with the new law requiring prescriptions for antibiotics. What a disappointment that's been.

I always thought a majority of States require you to be examined, in person, by a licensed physician before they will permit a prescription to be given, which always made internet ordering of prescription drugs a relatively limited option for many. If you have to factor-in the cost of a doctor's visit, then the cost per tablet is higher than the cost of the tablet alone.

The website at "mysecuretabs. Com" says no prescription required. Have things changed in the US, making it much easier to obtain the ED meds via the internet without a prescription or doctor's visit?

[Super Gato]

At least for now, there is no prescription to obtain the ED meds in Mexico over the counter. Of course, we all saw the law change recently here in Mexico with the new law requiring prescriptions for antibiotics. What a disappointment that's been.Requiring a prescription for antibiotics was a good idea. People take antibiotics when they have a cold or flu virus and it makes the antibiotics ineffective at actually fighting bacterial infections. There are now antibiotic resistant strains of bugs (there are cases of antibiotic strains of gonorrhea now!) because people were eating antibiotics like chicklets.

If anything ED medication may move to the over the counter model (it is being tested in the UK). Pfizer's patent expires next year in the US and it will have generic competition. Rather than have their price sink to $3 / tab with script, I'm thinking they might go the path of drugs like Claritin and convince the FDA to let them go OTC and keep some sort of premium price. From what I understand of the UK experiment you have to talk to a pharmacist to make sure you're healthy enough but no doctor's visit.


The website at "mysecuretabs. Com" says no prescription required. Have things changed in the US, making it much easier to obtain the ED meds via the internet without a prescription or doctor's visit?Some online pharmacies scoot through the FDA requirement by having you answer an online questionnaire and allegedly a real live doctor will review before the prescription is mailed out. Then again, My Secure Tabs is an Indian company and probably just fulfills the orders. Depending on how the customs agent feels when your package arrives in the US port of entry, it still could be seized as it is against US law to get prescription meds from outside the country (except from a handful of Canadian pharmacies).


Maxi-Fort tablets are only available in 50Mg. pills each.Actually I used to think that as well, but the last time I was at the pharmacy in Tijuana, they brought me a box of 100mg Maxi-Fort. I think it was a 4-tablet box / bottle and I wanted a 10-tablet box of 50mg.

[Member #3453]

requiring a prescription for antibiotics was a good idea. people take antibiotics when they have a cold or flu virus and it makes the antibiotics ineffective at actually fighting bacterial infections. there are now antibiotic resistant strains of bugs (there are cases of antibiotic strains of gonorrhea now!) because people were eating antibiotics like chicklets.

in my opinion, it is simply another example of government sticking it's big fat nose in an area that i am more than adequately educated to regulate on my own. the government requiring us to go to doctors for antibiotics is nothing more than payoff to a doctor's lobby whether it be in the usa or mexico.

consider this...when you have a very bad, painful cold, and/or a severe sore throat, something that is very obviously more serious than a common cold, 99% of doctors do not run the blood test necessary to know whether antibiotics are the appropriate treatment when you visit them for a remedy, or whether they are indiscriminately prescribing antibiotics for a virus, something that can not be treated by antibiotics.

unless blood tests are performed, they are strictly guessing and throwing antibiotics at the condition. at the same time they are holding their hand out for your $200 doctor's visit, plus the inflated cost of the drugs to treat the condition. the present cost of visiting a clinic in mexico is considerably less than in the us, around 300 pesos.

but, just watch as the cost to visit doctors incrementally begins to creep up in mexico as the government creates a monopoly on the common sinus infection. just take a look at the cost of health care in the us. it's a perfect laboratory example of where things are headed as government establishes and supports what is essentially a monopoly that did not formerly exist in mexico.

the common man, the one who is accused of not having the common sense to regulate their own administering of meds for sinus infections, will simply not go to the doctor rather than take time away from work, incur those kinds of inflated costs they have to endure when making doctor's visits, thereby putting off treating the condition, permitting their conditions to worsen even further as they put off spending ridiculous amounts of money to treat a condition that could be easily resolved with a $60.00us package of zithromax...which cost only about 120 pesos these days in monterrey in the generic. watch as the cost in mexico for antibiotics escalates as this new law continues year after year. mexican doctors like to go on vacation too...

most doctor's assessment of your condition is as much a shot in the dark as our own decision to take antibiotics. it's simply an excuse for doctors to profit from our condition. since we are the ones that actually feel the full force of our symptoms, and without a blood test, we are infinitely more "qualified" to know whether we should resort to antibiotics to treat the condition, especially because the doctors have no more of an idea as to whether the antibiotics they are prescribing are treating a virus or a bacterial infection. a virus can not be treated with antibiotics. yet, doctors prescribe antibiotics without blood tests 99% of the time, and they do so eagerly awaiting the next vacation junket from the drug companies.

no, i prefer to look after my own interests rather than giving up my liberty to the welfare state knowing just how perverted their concern for public welfare truly is.

by the way, i noticed that the website also sells generic antibiotics. so, thanks to the altruistic efforts of government to protect us all from ourselves with the imposition of these stupid antibiotics regulations, as they simultaneously ignore the integrity of the drug supply, the common man will be ordering them from india instead of buying them directly over the counter, not really knowing the quality or consistency of the drugs.

what has been accomplished? what seems like a good idea, regulation of antibiotics to reduce the supposed resistance to antibiotic ineffectiveness due to excessive use, the bogus excuse used as justification for the implementation of these laws, is merely another restriction upon the liberties of the common man, designed to enrich the elite within two industries, ie: the medical profession and the drug companies.

frankly, i truly do hope the off-shore sources of supply are good quality and consistency. but, i would rather see government ensuring the safety of the drug supply, rather that wasting time on making life more difficult for the common man to live.

i would support the idea of government regulating the supply of drugs more strictly, so we are sure to receive quality antibiotics and ed meds over the counter, versus them passing stupid laws whose only purpose is to get into our pockets, pandering to their political cronies, and holding the little guy hostage to two [CodeWord130] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130) industries.


actually i used to think that as well, but the last time i was at the pharmacy in tijuana, they brought me a box of 100mg maxi-fort. i think it was a 4-tablet box / bottle and i wanted a 10-tablet box of 50mg.

that is very interesting. i would like o purchase them in 100mg, but i have never seen them available in monterrey.

[Bbond]

They have pretty good prices.

The website at "mysecuretabs. Com" says no prescription required. Have things changed in the US, making it much easier to obtain the ED meds via the internet without a prescription or doctor's visit? I saw the tabs he got, they came sandwiched between 2 pieces of cardboard, bubble wrap padded, sent to his PO box, no Rx.

[Duke Of Pussy]

I order viagra overseas without a rxn. The best I have had at really great prices, $1-2 / tablet. And no the US still requires rxn but it is too much work for customs to check many and viagra etc aren't scheduled. Mine come with all the info on the package even.

@unspongebob: Too many people don't use antibiotics correctly. They especially don't take them long enough enabling residual bacteria to survive and develop resistance over time. This is very bad as many types of bacteria are now resistant to multiple drugs. Heavy expensive and long drug regimans are then required and they also will lose effectiveness. So it is a good thing to have restrictions to provide time for new drugs to be developed which is not happening fast enough. If not we will go back to pre WWII days in terms of bacteria including stds killing us.

[Member #3453]

I respectfully disagree.


@unspongebob: Too many people don't use antibiotics correctly. They especially don't take them long enough enabling residual bacteria to survive and develop resistance over time

Those of you who advocate these kinds of regulations, are yourselves exhibiting the exact behavior, and engaging in the same illegal activity, that I forecast will occur, and for the very same reasons that I illustrate here...

You want everyone else "RESTRICTED," but you want your own personal liberty preserved, as is the case with your own illegal procurement of regulated drugs through foreign suppliers, delivered to you, but hopefully not to others according to your logic. Do you really believe that others are not going to obtain their illegal antibiotics, ED meds, etc...just as you are, or that a black market will not flourish as a result of the government regulations?

I could call those having such opinions about regulating antibiotics for everyone else "hypocritical," with respect to their own ideology. But, I don't mean to offend, just to illustrate that your thinking is wrong headed. My goal and objective isn't to offend, but to hopefully change some minds about demanding personal freedom, while also demanding a better way from government and bureaucrats, who will always take the easy way out at our expense, at the expense of our own personal liberty, making us servants to them in the end.

But, it is scary that people support limiting everyone's personal liberty, provided it doesn't affect their own. On the one hand, those having this ideology advocate the restriction of antibiotics for the "public good," and for everyone else but themselves. But, they engage in the very freedom for themselves by illegally procuring their antibiotics from foreign sources, smuggling them into the US through their own complicit behavior in violation of the customs regulations.

At least my ideology is consistent...I advocate personal liberty over government regulation.

disclaimer:
I don't have some axe to grind about doctors. But, the reality is what it is...

These laws will not change the way in which people take their meds, nor will it cause these dumb asses to take the complete dosage of the product so the drug can completely kill the infection. The doctor isn't going to be standing over these patients to make sure of anything.

Fact is, most doctors don't spend thirty seconds with most of their patients before they're on to the next. Most of the interaction these days is with an assistant, or an aid. So, I doubt seriously that most patients will even receive much instruction in the proper use of the antibiotics, if any, other than to read the label on the bottle.

The best you can hope for are instructions being received from the pharmacist. But, frankly, most people will procure their antibiotics at the cheapest source of supply, where instructions are not usually even given to the patient as the people they will be dealing with are cashiers, and not trained pharmacists. It is actually more likely that many people may obtain their antibiotics via the internet, legally, with a prescription, just to save money on the cost of the meds. So, those that do so will not receive any instruction in their use other than in written form.

It will also create a black market that will also escalate the cost of the antibiotics as people seek black market antibiotics in order to avoid the added cost of seeing a doctor, just as we are doing with ED meds.

My problem is with bureaucrats and the government wanting to increasingly run every aspect of our lives, and doing so to feather their own nests as they pander to their special interest constituencies. And, unfortunately, all with an alarmingly increasing blessing from a growing naive segment of the public that supports following along with them like lemmings to the slaughter, thereby restricting their own personal liberties in return for bullshit assurances that they are somehow going to be better off under the wing of a soul-less government, and disingenuous, dishonest, opportunistic bureaucrats. That's what's really scary! People buying into that BS...

I submit that we are intelligent enough to make our own decisions about antibiotics, including when, how, and whether to take them, provided we have the proper education. Let the damn government educate the public rather than further restricting liberty, increasing the deficit by the creation of new agencies to regulate us, thereby driving the price up ten fold for antibiotics and medical treatment in the process, and increasing the cost of government, a totally unproductive entity.

Additional laws prohibiting the access of antibiotics is not going to reduce the numbers of infections requiring antibiotics. If antibiotics and treatment for upper respiratory infection, through these regulations, are so expensive that people delay going to the doctor, then infections are only going to escalate as people spread disease as a result of the delaying due to people trying to postpone or avoid their own increased cost for doctors visits, all of which will be a result of an artificially induced delay in treating their conditions caused by a prohibition and inaccessibility created by the damn government, bureaucrats, and their self serving lobby groups whose only purpose will be increasing profits for doctors, and yielding higher margins on drugs.

Anyone that does not see this is only turning a blind eye to the realities, buying into their propaganda, and willingly giving up their own liberty on the empty promises that they'll somehow be safer, and/or protected, from what has been a "manufactured emergency" by the welfare state and it's constituencies.

[Dad Fun 555]

Illegal to import prescription medication to The States?

Really? Must suck for Astra Zeneca, Bayer, Noavaritis, Hoffman-La Roche, etc. If they are not allowed to sell their products to the biggest drug market out there (Really?) not to mention all the folks visiting from overseas who are coming for just a few weeks and bringing supply of their own medication, so they don't have to go through the hassle of acquiring them while in the states.

I really doubt that's true. US FDA doesn't seem to have problem with it, their website only mentions importing non US FDA approved products.

[Member #3453]

Illegal to import prescription medication to The States?

It is illegal for individuals to bring medications requiring a prescription into the United States without a prescription from a Doctor.

Now, if you bring it in as a medication you're currently taking, and the bottle has the appropriate labeling to indicate you obtained it using a valid prescription, you're relatively safe. The label on the bottle is generally accepted by Customs Officials as adequate evidence of your having obtained a prescription.

Just try bringing in a fresh new box of Viagra, or few boxes of Zithromax that you picked up at the local foreign pharmacy for a fraction of the cost in comparison to what it costs in the US, something you purchased in Mexico, or India, or Thailand, or wherever, something that is in a box, and not dispensed in a bottle with a prescription label with a prescription number on it, into the United States.

If you come through US Customs, and they find you're bringing prescribed medications into the US without a prescription, they will charge you with smuggling. It has nothing to do with the FDA. It's a US Customs violation.

Furthermore, it is just as illegal to order and accept medicines requiring a prescription, without having a doctor's prescription (ie: ordering it from a foreign country, and having it delivered via USPS, etc...). Nothing will happen to the seller based in a foreign country where US authorities have no jurisdiction. But, they can and have charged the recipient with conspiracy to receive prescribed medications without a doctors prescription.

[Duke Of Pussy]

illegal to import prescription medication to the states?

really? must suck for astra zeneca, bayer, noavaritis, hoffman-la roche, etc. if they are not allowed to sell their products to the biggest drug market out there (really?) not to mention all the folks visiting from overseas who are coming for just a few weeks and bringing supply of their own medication, so they don't have to go through the hassle of acquiring them while in the states.

i really doubt that's true. us fda doesn't seem to have problem with it, their website only mentions importing non us fda approved products. foreign companies can and do import their products to sell here and make billions doing so. and those companies already have us based facilities. also companies importing their products have different rules than consumers. foreign companies can't sell generics here that are currently under patent however. companies selling in the us charge much more than elsewhere and they have supported effort to limit consumers abilities to import from abroad.

it is not illegal to import rxn drugs as a consumer or tourist if you have a valid rxn. if not you risk your drugs being taken and then you can chose to contest later. try crossing the border, buying even non-scheduled rxn drugs in mexico, and crossing back without a rxn (especially a us one). they will most likely confirep001e. however, customs has so much mail to let pass through that they seldom care to do much unless they are narcotics or steroids etc. when you are ordering overseas without rxn.

[Member #3453]

they will most likely confirep001e. however, customs has so much mail to let pass through that they seldom care to do much unless they are narcotics or steroids etc. when you are ordering overseas without rxn.

i agree, it is more likely that were you caught with a very small quantity, they would probably just confirep001e it, and send you on your way. and, the postal inspectors and customs agents have much bigger fish to fry, so you are probably quite safe ordering it from overseas. plus, if you plead ignorance if they confront you later, they would probably not pursue it. and, if they find the package in transit, and identify the contents as contraband, it will likely just disappear, and you'll never receive it.

if you read some of the testimonials on the meds websites, customers comment occasionally that when the packages have failed to be delivered, they've notified their vendor and their vendors are quick to send out a replacement that ultimately makes it through the system with no problem, and they undoubtedly receive the replacement shipment unmolested by the authorities.

i'm sure the postal inspectors and customs agents are aware of the packaging when they see it, and they undoubtedly have enough free "prescription-less" ed meds, antibiotics, and other contraband to last them the rest of the natural born lives :-)))))))))

but, it would not surprise me if being caught upon customs re-entry that it might make you eligible for some kind of harassment list that is electronically linked to your passport so that every time you re-enter the us you are scrutinized.

i have never been caught with anything directly, so i don't know to what extent being caught with something has it's repercussions or legal implications.

but, were they to find some contraband after directly asking you if you have any prescription medications, and if you happen to take steps to obscure the medications by removing them from their packaging, and hiding them to reduce the likelihood of their finding them, they might do something more with respect to criminal charges, don't know.

for example, i know of someone who recommends removing the viagra from their packages, and dumping them into a flat sealed envelope, which has the appearance of a flat envelope in their briefcase. you almost can't tell there is anything actually in the envelope unless you remove it completely from the briefcase portfolio and handle it.

most customs agents will merely look into the briefcase, see a bunch of paperwork and envelopes, and ignore them. they will sometimes ask what you have in your briefcase, and if you tell them it's just paperwork for work, they'll ignore most of what you have in your briefcase with just a cursory look in to make sure you don't have a machine gun or something :-)))

i know someone else that puts their maxi-fort tablets in a compartment of their vitamin container, with all their other legal over the counter meds (ie: advil, aspirina, anti-acidos, regular vitamins, etc.), and plans to represent them as regular vitamins if caught. the yellow color does resemble some kind of generic vitamin, and the color is not nearly as telltale as a viagra tablet, which is so widely advertised that everyone knows what it looks like. maxi fort is an obscure product to most people in the us. maybe most customs agents are aware of it, don't know. but, it does look a lot like a vitamin, and could be passed off as such pretty easily.

remember a few years ago when they caught rush limbaugh coming back into the us from the dominican republic with some viagra. they actually were threatening to charge him with a crime. i think he was able to ultimately prove he had a prescription from a doctor. it is more likely that his doctor covered his butt, and said that he had his prescription for it. he probably bought the viagra in the dominican republic.

so, it does depend on who you are. if you are a nobody, they will likely just confirep001e it, and toss it, or abscond with it themselves. but, if you are a right wing radio show host, a staunch conservative instead of a flaming liberal, they will fuck with you all day long.

see my liberal, left wing, democratic party sympathizing friends...and you know who you are :-)))))), staunch conservative right wing republicans can't be all bad if they're screwing little brown bunny spinners in the dominican republic, right? they have more in common with you than you might think. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Dad Fun 555]

Just try bringing in a fresh new box of Viagra, or few boxes of Zithromax that you picked up at the local foreign pharmacy for a fraction of the cost in comparison to what it costs in the US, something you purchased in Mexico, or India, or Thailand, or wherever, something that is in a box, and not dispensed in a bottle with a prescription label with a prescription number on it, into the United States.

If you come through US Customs, and they find you're bringing prescribed medications into the US without a prescription, they will charge you with smuggling. It has nothing to do with the FDA. It's a US Customs violation.When I was living in the states I was bringing fresh boxes (personal quantities. Not more than a few months supply) of not only Viagra (both brand and generic) but also Schedule III Controlled Substances without any type of prescription and properly declared them to US border guards. Both at airports (written declaration) and land crossings (oral declaration) at least several dozen times and never was asked for any type of prescription, never had any issue whatsoever, coming from not just Mexico but Asia, South America, Middle East, & Europe. Doubt most border guards in any country know how to read a prescription anyways. Maybe once or twice they asked me something smart ass like,"If you were visiting your girlfriend in Mexico, why are you bringing Viagra to US?" and simply an answer of "For when I go back" was more than enough. Perhaps the rules have changed and nowadays it is different and they are much more strict and clamping down?

If you have information about folks being charged with smuggling & locked up in prison for bringing personal quantities of Viagra into the states or any other country without prescription I would be terribly interested in hearing them. As far as I know this is 300% legal and accepted practice internationally. Not just to the states but to pretty much anywhere (maybe not to Iran or Saudi Arabia). Don't know about the mail order.

[MonterreyDude]

There is one thing in Mexico no one has taken in account: You can buy Viagra, Cialis and generics without a prescription. BUT if you by any reason, are held and they are found in your person, you can be in trouble cause ED meds are available like over the counter stuff but they still require the doctors script.

This happens a lot in places like Tijuana where the police hassels the mongers.

The local police can can extort you for a couple of hundred pesos and threaten to take you the PGR or the federal police.


When I was living in the states I was bringing fresh boxes (personal quantities. Not more than a few months supply) of not only Viagra (both brand and generic) but also Schedule III Controlled Substances without any type of prescription and properly declared them to US border guards. Both at airports (written declaration) and land crossings (oral declaration) at least several dozen times and never was asked for any type of prescription, never had any issue whatsoever, coming from not just Mexico but Asia, South America, Middle East, & Europe. Doubt most border guards in any country know how to read a prescription anyways. Maybe once or twice they asked me something smart ass like,"If you were visiting your girlfriend in Mexico, why are you bringing Viagra to US?" and simply an answer of "For when I go back" was more than enough. Perhaps the rules have changed and nowadays it is different and they are much more strict and clamping down?

If you have information about folks being charged with smuggling & locked up in prison for bringing personal quantities of Viagra into the states or any other country without prescription I would be terribly interested in hearing them. As far as I know this is 300% legal and accepted practice internationally. Not just to the states but to pretty much anywhere (maybe not to Iran or Saudi Arabia). Don't know about the mail order.

[Member #3453]

It is all spelled out on the US Customs Website. It is a violation to bring anything that is a prescribed medication into the US without a doctor's prescription. Right on their website. And, they do enforce it.

[Busterfly]

There is one thing in Mexico no one has taken in account: You can buy Viagra, Cialis and generics without a prescription. BUT if you by any reason, are held and they are found in your person, you can be in trouble cause ED meds are available like over the counter stuff but they still require the doctors script.

This happens a lot in places like Tijuana where the police hassels the mongers.

The local police can can extort you for a couple of hundred pesos and threaten to take you the PGR or the federal police.Is this the old Amigomio?

[Bbond]

It is all spelled out on the US Customs Website. It is a violation to bring anything that is a prescribed medication into the US without a doctor's prescription. Right on their website. And, they do enforce it.Hmmmm. The following is a cut&paste from their site...http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/kbyg_regulations.ctt/kbyg_regulations.pdf

If a USA resident wants to bring in a controlled substance (other than narcotics, such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or LSD) but does not have a prescription for the substance issued by a USA-licensed practitioner (e. G, physician, dentist, etc.) who is registered with, and authorized by, the Drug Enforcement Administration to prescribe the medication, the individual may not import more than 50 dosage units of the medication into the United States.

[Member #3453]

The act of simple possession of a controlled substance without a valid prescription violates 21 USC, Section 844 (up to 1 year in prison and $1,000 fine).

"It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally to possess a controlled substance unless such substance was obtained directly, or pursuant to a valid prescription or order, from a practitioner, while acting in the course of his professional practice..." http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm

According to the Consulate General, at least with respect to Mexico, you are required to have obtained the drugs from a licensed physician in Mexico, and hold a valid prescription from that physician upon re-entry.

So, not only are you required to have a prescription from your US physician, but also from the Mexican physician who prescribed the drugs when you re-enter the US. If you do not have both, you are committing a crime, and subject to those penalties, as well as penalties associated with violating 21 USC, Section 844.

These same laws are also what makes obtaining prescriptions from overseas pharmacies illegal. You will probably never get caught because they have bigger fish to fry. But, if you patronize the overseas pharmacies without a valid US prescription, you are in violation of not only 21 USC, but also in violation of laws that can be enforced by FDA concerning procurement of medications from pharmacies whose drugs are manufactured in foreign manufacturing facilities without FDA approval.

Most of the drugs that "mongers" obtain in these foreign countries come from manufacturing plants that are not FDA approved, and we couldn't produce a prescription for the meds if our lives depended on it.

US Customs is charged with enforcing these regulations upon our re-entry into the United States. If you violate these regulations, you can be charged with a Felony if they really want to push it.

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[Bbond]

Ok, but I don't find any "monger specific" substances on this page:

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/orangebook/c_cs_alpha.pdf

Which dea claims to be a complete list.

[Member #3453]

Ok, but I don't find any "monger specific" substances on this page:

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/orangebook/c_cs_alpha.pdf

Which dea claims to be a complete list.

That's because drugs like Viagra aren't really "controlled substances" by legal definition, not like an addictive drug is identified by classification number. But, it is considered a "restricted substance" just the same, one that requires a prescription, and whose illegal importation is a violation of FDA regulations, and therefore, a violation of US Customs regulations.

It is especially a violation of FDA regulations in the generic form, which is what most mongers obtain in Thailand, Mexico, etc...because the foreign manufacturing plants where these generics are manufactured are not approved by FDA.

[Larbo]

Took a Sunday stroll down Reforma from Juarez to Nervo. Only about 10% of the stalls were open. Absolutely no street action except at the hotels at Juarez. Saw a total of 11 girls in front of the two hotels that showed action. Only one was doable for me, but I passed because it was 104 degrees, the hotel was not air conditioned, and I'm too old to enjoy sex while sweating like an eskimo in Brazil.

I would use this area on a Sunday only for a quick flushing of the tubes in an emergency.

[Bbond]

That's because drugs like Viagra aren't really "controlled substances" by legal definition, not like an addictive drug is identified by classification number. But, it is considered a "restricted substance" just the same, one that requires a prescription, and whose illegal importation is a violation of FDA regulations, and therefore, a violation of US Customs regulations.

It is especially a violation of FDA regulations in the generic form, which is what most mongers obtain in Thailand, Mexico, etc. Because the foreign manufacturing plants where these generics are manufactured are not approved by FDA. I wish someone that has actually passed customs, declaring some medications, would chime in here with their experiences. Personally, I avoid carrying anything that would or could be a problem, just ain't worth the possible hassle.
Although it's never happened to me, (and I have been crossing into Mexico since 1968), I have seen people asked to empty their pockets when entering the US on foot. Once I was asked to remove one shoe, I walk with a limp due to a couple of accidents involving my left leg, and they wanted to see what I had in the shoe, I removed it and showed them the material inside used as a lift, and was on my way in a couple minutes.

[Member #3453]

I wish someone that has actually passed customs, declaring some medications, would chime in here with their experiences. Personally, I avoid carrying anything That would or could be a problem, just ain't worth the possible hassle.

Although it's never happened to me, (and I have been crossing into Mexico since 1968) , I have seen people asked to empty their pockets when entering the US on foot. Once I was asked to remove one shoe, I walk with a limp due to a couple of accidents involving my left leg, and they wanted to see what I had in the shoe, I removed it and showed them the material inside used as a lift, and was on my way in a couple minutes.

I agree with you 100%. I have always heard the horror stories, but never actually been caught doing it to know whether the penalties are substantial, minor, non-existent, or whether the Customs Service has discretion in prosecuting these matters, etc.

According to the statutes I sighted before, it is definitely a violation of the law with respect to the FDA...But, I don't know if they enforce it as a matter of practice at the border with individuals or not.

According to their website, the Customs Service reserves the right to use their own "discretion" with respect to our coming through with prescription medications that do not have a prescription. It says that right on their website.

The law books are a mile high. If they wanted to push it, I have no doubt whatsoever that they could do so, and make some kind of charge stick.

Would they do it? Probably not. But, like you, I don't like risking it. And, who wants to be hassled at the border, detained, etc. While they screw with you, etc...scaring the crap out of you, etc...

I do know Customs official tried to charge Rush Limbaugh with bringing "Viagra" specifically into the US without a prescription, and I've read about incidents with some sports figures being caught as well.

In the case of Rush Limbaugh, he got his doctor to testify in a sworn affidavit that he had a prescription. Otherwise, they would have burned him for sure. And, in order to burn somebody, you have to have the statutes to back it up. Had the doctor not come to his rescue, he would have been toast.

The specific statutes and case law is somewhere, but who has the time to look it all up?

[Dad Fun 555]

I wish someone that has actually passed customs, declaring some medications, would chime in here with their experiences.As I wrote below, dozens of times I have brought & declared prescription medication (without having a prescription) across USA border, and the agents always said it was perfectly fine. The first couple of times I did this I brought a prescription with me, but it was not needed.

[Dad Fun 555]

That's because drugs like Viagra aren't really "controlled substances" by legal definition, not like an addictive drug is identified by classification number. But, it is considered a "restricted substance" just the same, one that requires a prescription, and whose illegal importation is a violation of FDA regulations, and therefore, a violation of US Customs regulations.

It is especially a violation of FDA regulations in the generic form, which is what most mongers obtain in Thailand, Mexico, etc. Because the foreign manufacturing plants where these generics are manufactured are not approved by FDA. But the law you quote only talks about "controlled substances" (not relevant for Viagra) , and says nothing about "restricted substances". Please refer to a law which says "restricted substances" are banned from importation into US. In what bbond quotes, it specifically says you can import controlled substances into US without a prescription.

I was personally bringing specifically Maxifort into US on practically every trip to Mexico over a period of a couple of years, and I always declared it and US customs agents always said it was OK. It is good stuff and I've taken it all around the world, and yet to find a reliable equivalent anywhere (I prefer it to the generic stuff in Asia, so I even bring Maxifort to Thailand!). I've done this at the airports also and have specifically written "generic Viagra" on the declaration card and again they always said it's OK. Not once or twice, but dozens of times. Do you think the millions of foreign visitors who enter US annually from overseas have even heard of the FDA, let alone know how to check that the medication they used is approved? Give me a break.

From what I understood the Rush Limbaugh case was more about having a bottle of medication not in his name than smuggling Viagra. When in doubt, DECLARE! I doubt it is likely they will try to charge you with smuggling anything that you declared. Now if they search and they find something you should have declared, you could have a lot of explaining to do.

[Member #3453]

As I wrote below, dozens of times I have brought & declared prescription medication (without having a prescription) across USA border, and the agents always said it was perfectly fine. The first couple of times I did this I brought a prescription with me, but it was not needed.What form did you use to declare it, and what border crossing did you use to re-enter the US?

[Dad Fun 555]

What form did you use to declare it, and what border crossing did you use to re-enter the US?The same airport declaration you get on every flight for air entry to US, and as I said just oral declaration on land US-MX crossing. Basically every such entry was like,"What was your purpose in Mexico?" "Visiting my girlfriend"."What are you bringing back?"."Two bottles of Generic Viagra". (hmm, adds up? Better let this guy through)."Have a nice day".

Some guys can't tolerate the risk however small of getting yelled at by a border guard. Others can't tolerate risk of getting kidnapped off a bus headed to Monterrey and being skinned alive and dumped into a vat of acid by narcoterrorists. Just do what makes you comfortable that's what I think. If bringing medication across an international border makes you nervous just get your Viagra from your pharmacy at home. Not a biggie.

[Bbond]

From http://seniorhealth.about.com/cs/prescriptiondrugs/a/mexico_rx.htm

In general, you may bring no more than 50 dosage units without producing a prescription from an FDA-approved USA physician. (A prescription from a Mexican doctor is no longer adequate.) If you have the proper prescription, you may bring more than 50 dosage units. Often, however, USA Customs agents will prohibit more than a 60- to 90-day supply.

It is against the law not to properly declare imported medications with USA Customs.

The FDA has guidance policies in place that do allow some discretion in enforcement of this regulation. The circumstances under which the regulations may be relaxed include:

3."The product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk."

[Larbo]

The same airport declaration you get on every flight for air entry to US, and as I said just oral declaration on land US-MX crossing. Basically every such entry was like,"What was your purpose in Mexico?" "Visiting my girlfriend"."What are you bringing back?"."Two bottles of Generic Viagra". (hmm, adds up? Better let this guy through)."Have a nice day".

Some guys can't tolerate the risk however small of getting yelled at by a border guard. Others can't tolerate risk of getting kidnapped off a bus headed to Monterrey and being skinned alive and dumped into a vat of acid by narcoterrorists. Just do what makes you comfortable that's what I think. If bringing medication across an international border makes you nervous just get your Viagra from your pharmacy at home. Not a biggie.You think just like me!"Oops! Forgot about it. Brought it down to use it. Didn't need it. Brought it back. Sorry about that". Just say it with a smile.

[Member #3453]

From.

http://seniorhealth.about.com/cs/prescriptiondrugs/a/mexico_rx.htm

In general, you may bring no more than 50 dosage units without producing a prescription from an FDA-approved USA physician. (A prescription from a Mexican doctor is no longer adequate.) If you have the proper prescription, you may bring more than 50 dosage units. Often, however, USA Customs agents will prohibit more than a 60- to 90-day supply.

It is against the law not to properly declare imported medications with USA Customs.

The FDA has guidance policies in place that do allow some discretion in enforcement of this regulation. The circumstances under which the regulations may be relaxed include:

3."The product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk."

The first part of the article that Bbond sighted starts out with the following..."You are generally allowed to bring FDA-approved prescription medications back into the United States for your own personal use, with the following stipulations:" The key word here is "FDA approved."

I think the issue is that Customs policies are apparently in a constant state of flux, and that the decision to allow prescription drugs to come into the US that are not FDA approved is at the discretion of the Customs Agents.

I have heard of several incidents over a span of the last 30 years of guys being harassed by Customs at the border for prescriptions they've attempted to bring back into the US from foreign countries, Mexico, Thailand, the PI, Indonesia, the DR, etc...and I have heard media reports of this as well. But, I also realize that policies and guidelines do change.

The disclaimer issued at the bottom of the article that Bbond referred to is probably the wisest course of action with respect to your deciding to test the system.

"Disclaimer: Be aware that laws, and the guidelines under which USA Customs Agents operate, change frequently and without notice, and the advice given in this article may not be entirely applicable when you attempt to bring prescription drugs across the border. If you have questions about current laws, contact USA Customs and Border Protection."

Those that are not adverse to testing the system can leave it up to the discretion of the Customs Agent they get. If you have the time to be hassled, it might be worth the experiment to establish for one's own self the confidence level that DadFun555 has with respect to the legal "safety" of his own routine.

When deciding whether to test the system, in the immortal words of Clint Eastwood (Dirty Harry), it comes down to this...

Do Ya Feel Lucky, Punk? :-)))

[Dad Fun 555]

There are some many complexities with "FDA Approved". Legitimate medications manufactured abroad may have the same name, but not have the same formulation since they are from a different factory. Just because it is "Viagra" it might be manufactured in a different factory so not technically FDA approved. When they ship internationally, there is also sorts of licensing and rebranding which takes place. Also medications have different names in different countries so you could have something which is in fact manufactured in US under FDA approval but it has a different name. Then of course you also have generics. My interpretation is that the spirit of "FDA approved" requirement refers to the active ingredient, the point of it is so you don't import banned medications. Not generics of well accepted medications. I am not a lawyer of course so please consult with one before importing questionable medications on your own.

I agree customs agents have a lot of discretion, but remember they are law enforcers, not law makers. They do not make up the law, and they cannot charge with you a crime which doesn't exist. I personally believe the biggest risk you have is they yell at you and maybe take away with your purchase unless you are trying to import egregious quantities of steroids and controlled substances.

I do find a a certain irony in guys who think nothing of hitting the streets late at night in seedy neighborhoods in narcoterrorist controlled cities who think violence in Mexico is imagined by the media, but consider importing personal quantities of non-controlled prescription medications into the US to be too risky.

[Member #3453]

When I am hitting the streets of Monterrey, I have never experienced the "narco terrorist" effect you speak of, and that's why I have absolutely no concerns about visiting the bars on Villagran, and along Madero, which must be the supposedly seedy neighborhoods referred to. Frankly, to me, they are relatively tame neighborhoods compared to my own home city in the USA. Fear simply doesn't enter into my thinking there. In ten years, I have NEVER experienced any activity there directly that justifies "fear" of the area. It's among the oldest of areas in the city, and not akin to a place like Colonial Del Valle, kind of seedy, certainly...but, it's old and run down, "seedy" appearance doesn't translate in my having fear of the area with respect to my own actual experiences.

The violence and influence of the drug cartels is rampant in Mexico. But, the media capitalizes on their reporting of drug cartel activity, and they hype it for profit, especially the US media. Not only that, but most of the violence in Monterrey these days, with respect to the "dangers" is from "free lancers" committing crimes of opportunity, and the acts of those perpetrators are not sanctioned by the drug cartels, nor do those crimes relate to drug cartel activity. The media and the police like to "blame" the cartels for those acts, but when those acts are investigated they're are determined to be independent criminal acts, unrelated to Cartel business.

The law with respect to FDA regulations, and their relationship to US Customs Service responsibilities, is not in question. Foreign manufacturing facilities are required to be inspected by FDA in order to be FDA approved, which they are NOT. There is no ambiguity with respect to those laws. The laws are written straightforwardly, and I have no doubt the statutes exist by which you can be charged for bringing-in generic medications that are not backed up with a prescription.

The ambiguity is in whether the Customs service enforces those laws as a matter of practice...

I have only heard of ONE testimonial in my entire experience with mongering for the last 30 years that mongers can freely pass through US Customs with prescription medications without a prescription. I am not calling into question the validity of those experiences. I am merely saying that it is contrary to what I have heard for the last thirty years.

But, I agree with Bbond. While I appreciate the reporting of one monger's experiences with respect to their declaring prescriptions and not having any repercussions, I would like to hear of a number of similar experiences, not because I doubt this single experience, but so I can detect a reliable trend that the practice by US Customs is the rule rather than the exception. But, other testimonials are seemingly illusive, which may suggest that the practice may not be a reliable operational guideline at all ports of entry that we all can count on.

Consider this, why does US Customs advocate your reporting of those medications upon re-entry if they are not scrutinizing your possession of prescription generic drugs in that category? They do not question your possession of prescriptions filled in this country. You do not have to declare prescriptions filled in the US, only prescription drugs filled in foreign countries. So, they are scrutinizing your possession of those generic prescription drugs whether they are enforcing the law with penalties or not.

As for being afraid of being "yelled at" by Customs Agents. In all of my travels worldwide for the last 30 years, I have never witnessed that kind of behavior by US Customs Agents. It isn't about being "frightened," by Customs Agents supposedly "yelling" at us.

It's about avoiding the hassles, ie: the delays, especially when connecting flights are scheduled so closely. In addition, it is simply foolish to court legal action being perpetrated against you when it can very easily be avoided with a little clarification of their guidelines at US Customs, along with a decent number of substantiating experiences from more than one person.

Having this discussion, and soliciting more than one example of mongers freely importing prescription drugs without a prescription through US Customs, is intelligent thing to solicit. It is not a frivolous or foolish endeavor, nor is it prompted out of "fear" of being "yelled at" by US Customs Agents. So far, we have only one testimonial that this is norm rather than the lucky exception, or that the practice by US Customs isn't regional rather than universal at all points of entry.

[Member #3453]

11 girls in front of the two hotels that showed action. Only one was doable for me

Yeah, those are the dogs standing in front of the big Green Hotel. If you walk down Pino Suarez toward the Cajero, you'll notice several girls that at least have the looks to be doable...just beyond the shoe shine stand.


but I passed because it was 104 degrees, the hotel was not air conditioned, and I'm too old to enjoy sex while sweating like an eskimo in Brazil.

And that is why I am reluctant to patronize even the best looking of them in the summer, even in the event of a dire emergency!.) Like you, I prefer the salida experience, the comfort, the control of the environment, time, payment terms, etc..., and have only actually patronized the door girls twice in ten years.

The reality is, just a few weeks ago, I saw that they completely demolished the flea markets, which used to run between Pino Suarez and Juarez, which is the area that I referred you to. There used to be a small hotel with door girls, usually one or two doable out of 5 or 6, and as you would walk in the flea market, which they apparently very recently demolished, you could gawk longingly at the better looking of them, and it added just a little added ZING to the flea market experience. :-)))

[Larbo]

[ The reality is, just a few weeks ago, I saw that they completely demolished the flea markets, which used to run between Pino Suarez and Juarez, which is the area that I referred you to. /QUOTE]I have never seen Reforma the way you described it like a flea market and all. It is just like a street now, and the stalls I referred to are in the little walking alleys that run off both sides of the street. Some have like roll-up garage doors? Only folks strolling around that Sunday seemed to be a few families shopping for bargains. I seemed to be the only monger trolling, so the girls at the hotels were pretty agressive for Monterrey, at least in my very limited street trolling experience.

[Member #3453]

[ The reality is, just a few weeks ago, I saw that they completely demolished the flea markets, which used to run between Pino Suarez and Juarez, which is the area that I referred you to. /QUOTE]I have never seen Reforma the way you described it like a flea market and all. It is just like a street now, and the stalls I referred to are in the little walking alleys that run off both sides of the street. Some have like roll-up garage doors? Only folks strolling around that Sunday seemed to be a few families shopping for bargains. I seemed to be the only monger trolling, so the girls at the hotels were pretty agressive for Monterrey, at least in my very limited street trolling experience.

Yeah, I was SHOCKED! Envision about three or four alleyways running between Reforma from Pino Suarez to Juarez, some of the street names had been totally forgotten because they were devoured by the flea market, covered with metal corrugated roofing panels that spanned between the width of Reforma, and several other street names all but obliterated, literally enveloped by the flea market, roofs that leaked like a sieve whenever it rained, hot as blazes in the summer, cold as ice in the winter, smelly, garbage lying in the alleyways at times, etc...

There were hundreds of individual stalls there where the vendors sold Pirated DVD, Clothing, Shoes, Watches, Electronics, Pirated Electronic Games, etc...and, the girls standing outside the formerly totally obscured hotels...even open air style "restaurants," some of which were quite busy and bustling around lunch time with many patrons. There were regular raids in the flea market to curb the pirating of DVDs, CDs, etc...

There were hundreds of small cubicles with roll up doors, similar to what you're seeing installed on the other small stores that front Madero around Juarez.

The City originally moved the flea market district a number of years ago to Reforma in order to push it into obscurity, so as to improve the City's image, hoping the flea market would be so obscure that it would eventually die. Instead of dying, it flourished wildly, while also becoming kind of a "Cesspool Like" shopping haven for the lower classes.

Apparently the City grew impatient with the sales of Pirated Merchandise, as well as becoming disgusted with the blight that was characteristic of the flea market. And, probably even more accurately, they became embarrassed and a little aggravated that their intention to kill it only caused it to flourish and grow. I think they became disgusted with seeing their intentions to kill it backfire.

They took a few tractors, and just completely wiped it out over the course of about 24-48 hours. I guess they thought the only way to get rid of it was to wipe it off the face of the earth, which they did.

Now, those hotels you're seeing that were all but totally obscured by being enveloped by the flea market, have been exposed to the light of day. The girls are standing outside those hotels, or have moved to other hotels in relative close proximity to Reforma, and they are much more visible to street traffic.

The Reforma Flea Market used to be a decent distraction during the day when things were relatively boring, especially on weekends when the clubs with the lunch buffets were closed. It will be a loss to visiting mongers with time on their hands during the day. There are other similar flea markets around, but none that are nearly as large, and none that are so notoriously nasty and simultaneously interesting.

[Dad Fun 555]

When I am hitting the streets of Monterrey, I have never experienced the "narco terrorist" effect you speak of, and that's why I have absolutely no concerns about visiting the bars on Villagran, and along Madero, which must be the supposedly seedy neighborhoods referred to.My girlfriend has been a sobbing wreck the last couple of days because her friend was murdered in a famous night club in Barrio Antiguo over the weekend. Grisly type of murder which only happens in Mexico where they took away the body and nobody knows where it is. Now everybody is attending candlelight vigils in memory. Thought I read a statistic recently that said something like 1 in 7 Mexicans knows somebody killed in the conflict. Yes I know in your 30 years of going to Monterrey you never met anybody affected by the conflict. Do you know more than 7 people there? Maybe you should buy a lottery ticket. Or maybe it is all just an conspiracy by international media.


I have only heard of ONE testimonial in my entire experience with mongering for the last 30 years that mongers can freely pass through US Customs with prescription medications without a prescription. I am not calling into question the validity of those experiences. I am merely saying that it is contrary to what I have heard for the last thirty years.So you have examples of people being prosecuted for smuggling personal quantities of Viagra into US without a prescription? Please provide reference, I am really interested. Please cite just one case.


But, I agree with Bbond. While I appreciate the reporting of one monger's experiences with respect to their declaring prescriptions and not having any repercussions, I would like to hear of a number of similar experiences, not because I doubt this single experience, but so I can detect a reliable trend that the practice by US Customs is the rule rather than the exception. But, other testimonials are seemingly illusive, which may suggest that the practice may not be a reliable operational guideline at all ports of entry that we all can count on.There are plenty of blogs and other forums about this subject if you are interested. To me the law is clear and unambiguous that is legal to import personal quantities of Viagra into US (or anywhere) without a prescription. I am comfortable and confident doing it, it is not a big deal to me at all. Clearly you are not convinced, so best that you avoid it. Since you are the type who wants everything guaranteed and spelled out in every detail, clearly it is in your interest to just acquire Viagra through conventional means and not taking risk. Nothing wrong with that, but please don't project your overly cautious advice onto bigger risk takers.

[MonterreyDude]

Grey Area Alert.

Please explain this. Why is he in trouble?

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/1356467

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0.2933, 201065, 00. Html.

You see. The problem is you are subscribing to an urban legend: "The US policy is to allow a "personal supply"of drugs without much question. That usually means a 30 day supply. It is rarely checked."

THAT is the thing. And it is not true.

I just want to see you get caught in this grey area. Plus and not excluding ALL you memory media will be searched.

You did know that your pics, laptop, cameras. Can be checked without a warrant?

I guess not.

By the way. If you Google or Yahoo "do I need a prescription to carry viagra" I get your answers in your post. But you missed this one:

Traveling with medicine? Carry a prescription.

http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-tr-healthy16jul16

As I always say... let's see the link?
Benefit of the doubt.




My girlfriend has been a sobbing wreck the last couple of days because her friend was murdered in a famous night club in Barrio Antiguo over the weekend. Grisly type of murder which only happens in Mexico where they took away the body and nobody knows where it is. Now everybody is attending candlelight vigils in memory. Thought I read a statistic recently that said something like 1 in 7 Mexicans knows somebody killed in the conflict. Yes I know in your 30 years of going to Monterrey you never met anybody affected by the conflict. Do you know more than 7 people there? Maybe you should buy a lottery ticket. Or maybe it is all just an conspiracy by international media.

So you have examples of people being prosecuted for smuggling personal quantities of Viagra into US without a prescription? Please provide reference, I am really interested. Please cite just one case.

There are plenty of blogs and other forums about this subject if you are interested. To me the law is clear and unambiguous that is legal to import personal quantities of Viagra into US (or anywhere) without a prescription. I am comfortable and confident doing it, it is not a big deal to me at all. Clearly you are not convinced, so best that you avoid it. Since you are the type who wants everything guaranteed and spelled out in every detail, clearly it is in your interest to just acquire Viagra through conventional means and not taking risk. Nothing wrong with that, but please don't project your overly cautious advice onto bigger risk takers.

[Member #3453]

Since you are the type who wants everything guaranteed and spelled out in every detail, clearly it is in your interest to just acquire Viagra through conventional means and not taking risk. Nothing wrong with that, but please don't project your overly cautious advice onto bigger risk takers.

I've sighted the specific statutes governing the importation of prescription drugs that are not FDA approved, and the responsibility of US Customs to enforce those laws. I do not advocate that you take any precautions. Please, be my guest, do as you please.

I mean no disrespect, nor am I accusing you of being a liar. You'll hopefully forgive me if I choose to gather more testimonials of what is legal before I run out, buy a bunch of restricted drugs, and attempt coming across the border with them on the testimonial of just one person. It probably wouldn't result in any issues at all...I don't doubt the face value of the validity of your claims. But, you also won't find me running out on the recommendations of one person, and testing a system that is fraught with as much ambiguity as this issue has been over the years.

As for sighting instances of anyone being prosecuted, I can double damn guarantee you I can find examples of individuals charged with possession of "restricted" drugs without a prescription. Problem is, I could, but I won't waste the time doing it.

Mine is merely a personal opinion about whether bringing them in is something that could delay you, and possibly cause you to be legally hassled by the "right" Customs Agent. I merely said that over the past 30 years I have read within other forums, and talked to numbers of other mongers that have expressed their own apprehensions at bringing prescription drugs, and yes, legally restricted ones, into the US from foreign sources without a prescription, some of which did have repercussions. I can not relate them specifically now because I simply did not document them for presentation.

Over thirty years, I am sure policies with the Customs Service have changed over time. Perhaps at one time they were paying significantly more attention to things like antibiotics being brought back into the country, etc...Going that far back, Viagra was not marketed thirty years ago, and it's only relatively recently been available generically.

But, it isn't really about which "restricted drug" it might be, it's about whether you are legally permitted to possess or procure a prescription drug without a prescription. There are State laws also regulating this. But, for the purposes of this forum, granted, we're talking Federal Customs Regulations.

I do know a little something about application of the law, and how statutes exist that are so buried and so obscure that it would take a paralegal three weeks to find them. Believe me, one thing that I am absolutely sure of is that they can be found, and used to prosecute. Of that, I am 100% certain, and would bet my life on it. Everyone should keep something in mind about Government Officials, were they trying to make some other charge stick, it would potentially be just another thing they could use to heap on the pile to bury you even further.

Is it likely to occur to you or me within the context of our reentering the US, innocently? Probably not. But, testing out something that in my mind has always been, up to now, ambiguous, has me making a decision to error on the side of caution rather than being potentially delayed or hassled at the border when I am trying to make connecting flights, etc...

Something else to keep in mind...what was considered an agent's "discretion" today is sometimes "strict enforcement" tomorrow, and usually with little or no notice. The statutes do exist, and I sited them for you. If, in fact, they are "tolerant" today, they could implement a "no tolerance" guideline tomorrow based on those statues alone with respect to FDA regulations.

Also, Monterreydude, the links you posted were no longer active.

[Member #3453]

My girlfriend has been a sobbing wreck the last couple of days because her friend was murdered in a famous night club in Barrio Antiguo over the weekend. Grisly type of murder which only happens in Mexico where they took away the body and nobody knows where it is.My sincerest condolences to your girlfriend. Really, it is very tragic, and I mean that sincerely...

But, again, the circumstances you describe have very little to so with the seedy side of town where we like to frequent the strip clubs. The circumstances of the crime suggest that the victim was not just a random, innocent patron of a night club.

Logically, random murders in a night club, where the body(s) are carted off by the perpetrators suggests that the individuals involved were "TARGETED." They aren't targeted for no reason. But, someone specifically murdered in a night club whose body is carted off suggests something more than a random act of violence for the sake of robbery, etc...Certainly, in the US, there are constant reminders that collateral damage happens to innocent bystanders...there are nightly news stories in the US of crimes that are just as heinous.

Most of the perpetrators of these heinous crimes in Mexico lately, aren't pros, and many of them aren't particularly intelligent with respect to being caught for their crimes. A pro doesn't bring the DNA from the scene of the crime with him.

My contention with respect to the violence has been that mongers are not in the same kind of danger as persons that have ties to cartels, or are themselves engaging in criminal acts, other than to potentially be collateral damage from the carelessness of these want to be gangster types acting out their own perceived stereotype behavior, or the army and police as they sometimes carelessly display a disregard for public safety in fighting the gangsters.

I am not in denial that the violence exists, just that the average monger who is not engaging in cartel affiliations, or criminal activities, (ie: an innocent, relatively obscure mongering visitor to the area) , is not at any particular added risk by visiting the clubs on the "seedy" side of Monterrey.

An incident in Bario Antiqua doesn't relate to what goes on at Villagran and Carlos Salazar. I have heard of numerous issues at the nightclubs of Bario Antigua. I would not recommend going there late at night. Frankly, that's where the high rolling gangster types are, spreading their money around, playing the big shot.

Most of their type that are frequenting the upscale establishments in Bario Antiqua aren't particularly interested in rubbing elbows with low class factory worker who doesn't have two pesos to rub together, not enough money to take girls up for a privado, but have to sit around the outskirts of the stage to cop a feel!

There certainly are gang members in the clubs around Villagran and Carlos Salizar, but those areas, while seemingly seedy, and seemingly ripe for being a hot bed of potentially dangerous activity, aren't, statistically. Bario Antigua, IS, statistically...

With respect to the media, they sensationalize everything for profit! Everywhere, the US, Mexico, EVERYWHERE!

My point is that through the sensationalizing heinous crimes, they encourage, and often perpetuate, the very worst offenders in a society of miscreants that crave media attention, and notoriety, the wanna be's who think that's what professional criminals do, and want to exhibit the stereotype by conducting what they perceive is the behavior that will gain them entry into the club. These miscreants have more money than they've ever had in their entire short lives, they live for today, and they would gladly trade 2 years of living large for what might otherwise be the remaining 60 years of their lives.

With respect to my criticism of media's role, most of the violence is NOT cartel business, but freelancers behaving like they think they have to behave to be the wanna be's they crave being. Their behavior is the result of the HYPE perpetrated by sensationalized media coverage as these gangster wanna be's conduct themselves in sync with what they perceive is the behavior of high rolling criminal types, a stereotype perpetrated by media in an effort to package their coverage, and sell more product, a vicious, and self promoting, self perpetuating of the stereotype they created for profit.

[Bbond]

Grey Area Alert.

Traveling with medicine? Carry a prescription.

http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-tr-healthy16jul16

As I always say. Let's see the link?

Benefit of the doubt. Well, in that particular link, find this statement:

"So long as it is not a controlled substance and is meant for personal use, there really is no issue with that," says the USA Customs and Border Protection's Cirillo.

But, I think yes, grey area, some CBP agents just do their job and don't look to hassle anyone unnecessarily, others will go out of their way to be a pain in the butt, just because they can.

[Dad Fun 555]

Even the supervisory officer of US Customs says that it "it is really not a problem" to import non-controlled medication into US without a prescription for personal use. Really, what more permission do you need? The blanket "you need a prescription for every medication" you see in travel guides is more of generic, better safe than sorry, advice targeted at newbie travelers who do not understand the legal subtleties of importing medication, and the various classifications. Once you familiarize yourself with what documentation is needed for classification of medication you are importing you can find out if it is needed for the particular medication of interest. Sometimes you see cases of people getting busted for steroids or narcotics on the border, but given the ease even in Mexico of obtaining Viagra there must be orders of more magnitude if Viagra imports compared to controlled medications. Yet there has never been a legal case against an individual for importing personal quantities of Viagra into US.

Your chance of dying as an innocent bystander in a narco shootout in Mexico (happens to dozens, if not hundreds, of individuals. Many of them foreign visitors. Every year) is a lot higher than getting prosecuted by US for importing personal quantities of Viagra. That has never happened. Yes maybe there is a chance some clueless law enforcement agents and prosecutor would bring it to trial. That has never happened before, so I guess the chance of it happening based in historical frequency of past events is lower than the airplane you arrived in getting bombed out by terrorists, or getting hit by lightning. The worse case practical scenario probably is an agent on his first 15 minutes of the job thinks he is making a big smuggling bust. But talking to a supervisor should get you on your way quickly. Of course, if crossing a border brings butterflies to your stomach, then by all means just purchase Viagra locally. That's what I would probably advise for most folks. It doesn't save you anything if it just brings you stress.

[MonterreyDude]

"But, I think yes, grey area, some CBP agents just do their job and don't look to hassle anyone unnecessarily, others will go out of their way to be a pain in the butt, just because they can."

Well said. Exactly the point.

They will do it because they can. Same as in Mexico.

And this is becoming more common in the US as the years pass and more radical laws are passed in your country.


Well, in that particular link, find this statement:

"So long as it is not a controlled substance and is meant for personal use, there really is no issue with that," says the USA Customs and Border Protection's Cirillo.

But, I think yes, grey area, some CBP agents just do their job and don't look to hassle anyone unnecessarily, others will go out of their way to be a pain in the butt, just because they can.

[Duke Of Pussy]

Even the supervisory officer of US Customs says that it "it is really not a problem" to import non-controlled medication into US without a prescription for personal use. Really, what more permission do you need? The blanket "you need a prescription for every medication" you see in travel guides is more of generic, better safe than sorry, advice targeted at newbie travelers who do not understand the legal subtleties of importing medication, and the various classifications. Once you familiarize yourself with what documentation is needed for classification of medication you are importing you can find out if it is needed for the particular medication of interest. Sometimes you see cases of people getting busted for steroids or narcotics on the border, but given the ease even in Mexico of obtaining Viagra there must be orders of more magnitude if Viagra imports compared to controlled medications. Yet there has never been a legal case against an individual for importing personal quantities of Viagra into US.

Your chance of dying as an innocent bystander in a narco shootout in Mexico (happens to dozens, if not hundreds, of individuals. Many of them foreign visitors. Every year) is a lot higher than getting prosecuted by US for importing personal quantities of Viagra. That has never happened. Yes maybe there is a chance some clueless law enforcement agents and prosecutor would bring it to trial. That has never happened before, so I guess the chance of it happening based in historical frequency of past events is lower than the airplane you arrived in getting bombed out by terrorists, or getting hit by lightning. The worse case practical scenario probably is an agent on his first 15 minutes of the job thinks he is making a big smuggling bust. But talking to a supervisor should get you on your way quickly. Of course, if crossing a border brings butterflies to your stomach, then by all means just purchase Viagra locally. That's what I would probably advise for most folks. It doesn't save you anything if it just brings you stress. Many foreign visitors are not the ones getting gunned down. According to the US State Dept over 5 million US citizens visit mexico each year. Last year a little over a 100 were killed, and about 70 Americans remain missing from the last several years. It is thus impossible that many tourists are getting gunned down in narco violence.

Words like "generally" and "usually" as pertaining to US customs practices do not provide 100% proof against you getting in trouble for not declaring rxn drugs. I agree few if any people get into serious trouble for bringing in viagra or other harmless drugs undeclared without a rxn. However, this will not protect you against them taking your time and your merchandise. What are you going to do if they say no and take it? Nothing if you are smart. A supervisor won't do much in front of you and the agent if you are having problems unless the agent is way out of line. They will maintain a united front. Crossing back from Tijuana to San Diego, I asked about Viagra and the agent assured me you need a rxn or they will take it. This is only one agent speaking but still. Just don't complain on here is you get into trouble if they want to make an example out you which they can at any point. A younger solo man carrying viagra illegally is a better poster child for prosecution than an elderly couple returning from abroad. Also, I have had nonscheduled Clomid seized by customs via mail order. They took it and sent the empty packages with a note saying I can contest the seizure and provided a case number. No way was I going to contest. In contrast, my friend had his testosterone ethanate injections seized but not his accompanying clomid. Again they provided a letter and a case number but as expected didn't follow up on it. These were the only times out of many orders however.

There is no fool proof way in Mexico or the US to have Viagra without prescription, but I agree the risks are very low. I personally like the mail order route to save all the money as the pills this way are only about $2 a piece. And I get by on quarter or half tabs of viagra so a $40 order lasts me forever.

[Member #3453]

words like "generally" and "usually" as pertaining to us customs practices do not provide 100% proof against you getting in trouble for not declaring rxn drugs.there you go. these are the kinds of stories i have been hearing from mongers for the last thirty years with regard to the border as it relates to bringing meds in from foreign countries without a prescription. most of them haven't ended up in jail, or had anything terribly serious happen to them that i recall hearing about. but, none the less, the "potential" does exist. after all, if they can legally confirep001e it, they can legally "push you around," figuratively speaking.

and, for me, it isn't only just a matter of our risking being prosecuted necessarily. it's more than just that. from many worldly destinations, it can sometimes literally take an entire day to travel between the us and almost anywhere, even cities within the us to mexico.

air travel is sooooo fucked up these days that the hassles with respect to air travel are huge these days. the days of just jumping on an airplane, no security, etc...are gone. so, the "hassle factor," at least for me, is mostly the issue, and the potential for actually having legal problems is way down on the list of concerns.

as you said, we probably would not have anything happen other than to have our stuff confirep001ed. but...if they can and do confirep001e it, which i have heard over the years is more often the practice, they can do more to you if they decide to. if they consider it contraband, and especially if you are trying to hide it, then they might decide to make an example out of you, and let the other guy pass without so much as a harsh word. if they consider it contraband, and you try to hide it rather than declaring it, there are statutes they can hang their hats on if they want to. if you just say, "oh, sorry, forget it was in there...hardy har har" how many bs stories do you think they've heard that they're going to believe your line of bs?

and, hey, they get all "tweaked" even if you have your cell phone on while you're waiting in the frickin line...what might they do if you push them over the edge trying to bring what they might construe as contraband into the us. and, if you do declare it, and they confirep001e it, it's like throwing money down the toilet.

you know another issue occurs to me as well, and that is the potential for problems with respect to entry from the us to another country without a valid prescription. try getting away with some of the things people do on a regular basis and think nothing of it, stuff that we might otherwise consider minor virtually meaningless infractions. try it in a place like singapore for example. they will frickin' execute you in short order for drug violations, cane you for graffiti on the walls, spitting gum on the sidewalk, or missing the trash container with your gum wrapper.

it doesn't take much to provoke a lower level government worker, many of which are continually dealing with the unfair internal politics of large bureaucratic agencies on an hourly basis, to enjoy and even relish having some pitiless control over what they consider to be their adversaries is very tempting, and almost therapeutic for some.

the culture with law enforcement is always "them" or "us." that's a huge disadvantage for those of us that are "us" and not "them."

[Bbond]

two incidents i have experienced with cbp, not medicine related:

once driving back from juarez with a friend. we both had a quart of liquor to declare, and one small bottle we had forgotten about in the glove box.

well on that day they decided to open the glove box, and there it was, holy shit, smugglers. set to secondeary, car searched completely. we were taken inside for a background investigation,

maybe and hour later they came back and said instead of the penality they were going to allow us to pay the duty on the small bottle. i asked what the duty was, $1. 17,

i aked what the penality would have been, confirep001ion. nice work cbp, stopped a couple smugglers, made $1. 17 for your efforts.

another time was coming back from mazatlan with wife and kids. driving a pick-up truck with a camper shell. had an ice chest setting in the very back of the truck box, for easy access to cold drinks and food.

female cbp officer ask what we were bringing back, i said nothing to declare. she walked back and opened the ice chest, there was 3 small mangoes we had forgotten to remove, not hidden, right there easily seen when.

holy shit, she freaked out, literally screaming talking 100 mph. undeclared fruit, that is illegal, that is a serious violation, that is a fine, set us to secondary.

pulled in to secondary, guy there asks what's up, told her the lady set us because we forgot we had some fruit. he asked "that's it", i said yes sir, he opens ice chest, takes mangoes and throws them in trash can. his next words?

"you guys get out of here, have a good trip."

[Dad Fun 555]

You know another issue occurs to me as well, and that is the potential for problems with respect to entry from the US to another country without a valid prescription. Try getting away with some of the things people do on a regular basis and think nothing of it, stuff that we might otherwise consider minor virtually meaningless infractions. Try it in a place like Singapore for example. They will frickin' execute you in short order for drug violations, cane you for graffiti on the walls, spitting gum on the sidewalk, or missing the trash container with your gum wrapper.As I wrote earlier in the thread, I have brought Mexican generic Viagra (Maxifort) not into just US but about 10 different countries, and never had a problem. As I said, I prefer it to generics available in Asia and elsewhere. Of course in the cases where I have been thoroughly searched, they weren't looking for medications. The list of controlled substances is fairly standardized internationally. Maybe there is some country where Viagra is banned but generally the laws medications are relatively lax internationally.

Any country would have to be pretty gutsy politically to prosecute a foreigner for attempting to import personal quantities of Viagra without a prescription. It would be a horrible diplomatic move and it wouldn't stand up to international scrutiny. If it came to that it would probably be a case where you were of an enemy nationality, they didn't like you, and they couldn't find anything else to throw at you.

Ironically the only case of I've heard of folks getting into trouble for having Viagra without a prescription is on local police shakedowns in the various red light diatribe in northern Mexico.

[Dad Fun 555]

many foreign visitors are not the ones getting gunned down. according to the us state dept over 5 million us citizens visit mexico each year. last year a little over a 100 were killed, and about 70 americans remain missing from the last several years. it is thus impossible that many tourists are getting gunned down in narco violence.even if it is just 1 over the past millenimum, it is still higher than the total number of individuals prosecuted for importing personal quantities of viagra into us without a prescription (zero).


words like "generally" and "usually" as pertaining to us customs practices do not provide 100% proof against you getting in trouble for not declaring rxn drugs. i agree few if any people get into serious trouble for bringing in viagra or other harmless drugs undeclared without a rxn. however, this will not protect you against them taking your time and your merchandise. what are you going to do if they say no and take it? nothing if you are smart. a supervisor won't do much in front of you and the agent if you are having problems unless the agent is way out of line. they will maintain a united front. crossing back from tijuana to san diego, i asked about viagra and the agent assured me you need a rxn or they will take it. this is only one agent speaking but still. just don't complain on here is you get into trouble if they want to make an example out you which they can at any point.i wouldn't call having something seized "getting in trouble". customs can seize whatever they want for further review before it's cleared but that doesn't mean there was any suspiscion of wrongdoing. it is just one of the facts of life about crossing an international border. they can also xray your stomach and conduct a full cavity search. if you don't like it then don't cross the border. whether or not it's worth fighting for your $20 bottle of maxifort back may depend on the value of your time.

note that i never said anything about "undeclared". in the dozens of time i have imported viagra / maxifort into us, i always fully declared it. of course if you fail to declare something they have every right to confirep001e it. whether it is a banana, or a case of codeine. it is the folks who don't declare that get into trouble.

it is disappointing to hear that there are some folks who will let customs seize their property without ever contesting it. it just makes it easier for them to keep doing it in the future if people don't put up a fight.


a younger solo man carrying viagra illegally is a better poster child for prosecution than an elderly couple returning from abroad. also, i have had nonscheduled clomid seized by customs via mail order. they took it and sent the empty packages with a note saying i can contest the seizure and provided a case number. no way was i going to contest. in contrast, my friend had his testosterone ethanate injections seized but not his accompanying clomid. again they provided a letter and a case number but as expected didn't follow up on it. these were the only times out of many orders however.was it properly declared? as i said above, if you don't properly declare something then of course it has a chance to be seized because you are not following the rules. also i understand the rules differ for mail order vs personally carrying across the border. i thought that mail order was not generally accepted due to the commercial nature (they don't want foreign pharmacies to be deal directly with residents). my experience is in carrying into us personally and in dozens of times it has never been seized.

[Dad Fun 555]

Holy shit, she freaked out, literally screaming talking 100 mph. UNDECLARED FRUIT, THAT IS ILLEGAL, THAT IS A SERIOUS VIOLATION, THAT IS A FINE, set us to secondary.

Pulled in to secondary, guy there asks what's up, told her the lady set us because we forgot we had some fruit. He asked "that's it", I said yes sir, he opens ice chest, takes mangoes and throws them in trash can. His next words?

"You guys get out of here, have a good trip."I personally know folks (non-US citizens) who were threatened with deportation (denial of entry into the country) for having a single undeclared orange, or ham sandwich in their carry on. I have never heard of anybody denied entry for bringing declared non-controlled medication without a prescription (probably virtually every non-citizen / resident visitor has this when they enter) , maybe it has happened but I have never heard of it.

[El Cazador]

My girlfriend has been a sobbing wreck the last couple of days because her friend was murdered in a famous night club in Barrio Antiguo over the weekend. Grisly type of murder which only happens in Mexico where they took away the body and nobody knows where it is. Now everybody is attending candlelight vigils in memory. Thought I read a statistic recently that said something like 1 in 7 Mexicans knows somebody killed in the conflict. Yes I know in your 30 years of going to Monterrey you never met anybody affected by the conflict. Do you know more than 7 people there? Maybe you should buy a lottery ticket. Or maybe it is all just an conspiracy by international media.

So you have examples of people being prosecuted for smuggling personal quantities of Viagra into US without a prescription? Please provide reference, I am really interested. Please cite just one case.

There are plenty of blogs and other forums about this subject if you are interested. To me the law is clear and unambiguous that is legal to import personal quantities of Viagra into US (or anywhere) without a prescription. I am comfortable and confident doing it, it is not a big deal to me at all. Clearly you are not convinced, so best that you avoid it. Since you are the type who wants everything guaranteed and spelled out in every detail, clearly it is in your interest to just acquire Viagra through conventional means and not taking risk. Nothing wrong with that, but please don't project your overly cautious advice onto bigger risk takers. The barrio antiguo no longer make the business because the cartels come in and make all the owners pay the protection money. The reason why is empty on the weekends. Everybody that live here in Monterrey know somebody that is to be kidnap, extorted, beaten, or lose the money to the cartels. When you read about the people shot in front of the store like what happen two weeks ago in the cafe iguana it is because they deny to pay the protection money. A casa de cita owner is killed two months before in front of his business probable for this reason. I know a casa de cita owner that was badly beaten last year because he don't pay the money. He lose half his ear and eye and in the hosiptal for three weeks with also a broken arm and leg.

This subject of this war is no longer drugs. This is about power. This is a civil war.

I would take the avise of some foolish americans that don't actually live here with a grain of salt even if the person claim to come here for thirty years.

[Member #3453]

First, the means by which a group can perpetrate civil war is entirely dependent on their ability to procure weapons.

Some blame the supposed "leniency" of US guns laws for the weapons being discovered in the hands of the cartel members, and independent criminals.

It has now been revealed that $177,000,000 worth of military grade weapons were "SOLD" to the "MEXICAN GOVERNMENT," authorized by the US State Department at the request of the Mexican government, not the types of weapons manufactured or even made available for civilian consumption. Of that $177,000,000, the Mexican government can not account for the disposition of those weapons once they were received.

The $177,000,000 were military grade weapons, ie: machine guns, grenades, etc..., which consists of the majority of the kinds of weapons that are being found in the possession of cartel members, and in the possession of independent criminals with no cartel affiliation, (ie:freelancers).

These are not the types of weapons consumed by the US civilian market, and regulated by the Gun Control Act of 1968, the regulations that govern civilian sales of firearms in the USA.

Millions upon millions of additional dollars have been sold to the Mexican government via South American governments (ie: Guatemala, etc...), a number of European Governments, and the Chinese government, hundreds of millions of dollars in total, consisting mostly of surplus armaments, all of which were sold at the request of the "MEXICAN GOVERNMENT" for their own arsenals.

WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE DISPOSITION AND SECURITY OF THOSE WEAPONS ONCE THE WEAPONS ARE SOLD AT THE REQUEST OF THE "MEXICAN GOVERNMENT," AND DELIVERED INTO THE HANDS OF MEXICAN GOVERNMENT OFFICALS?

This is about rampant wide scale organized, and many individual disorganized, criminal enterprises, perpetrated by a statistically small number of professional criminals, and a disproportionately high number of average Mexican Citizens, Soldiers, Mexican Government Officials, and corrupt Mexican Military Officials, etc...all engaged in criminal activity for profit, and in some cases at the lower level, for their very survival.

The arms flowing into the hands of criminals in Mexico are NOT coming solely from a civilian US market through a corrupt firearms registration system as has been accused. The numbers of those weapons finding their way into Mexico is infinitesimally small, and of NO CONSEQUENCE WHAT SO EVER.

The political rhetoric aimed at blaming US leniency for the availability of weapons in Mexico is ludicrous at best. The US civilian firearms market has not substantially contributing to the illicit arms problem in Mexico. The instance of 1000-2000 weapons that the ATF permitted to be sold to straw party purchasers by US gun dealers along the border, with the permission of the inept Obama Justice Department, are totally and completely inconsequential statistically.

Now we know that those weapons are coming into Mexico at the request of the Mexican Government, and sold on the black market to the cartels and independent criminals by a huge disproportionately high number of dishonest, traitorous Mexican Government Officials, and low level government workers having control of the arms inventory itself.

We have always known that Mexicans themselves are fueling the destabilization Mexico, while Mexicans point the finger at the US, blaming the US with their anti gun political rhetoric. But, Mexicans aren't doing it for some political "civil war" kind of motivation. They are doing it for economic reasons, and not to acquire "power," or for organized political reasons. Undoubtedly, there are those desiring to destabilize the government to acquire their own brand of power. But, they could not prevail without the complicit cooperation of a disproportionately high number of average citizens joining the mahem for economic reasons.

That is criminal enterprise for profit, and TREASON...But, it is NOT a civil war...Criminal Enterprise is out of control within Mexico, and with a disproportionately high government and civilian participation for "profit."

Mexico is on the road to potential civil war...but, they are not there yet. If civil war develops, it will be because the a greater proportion of average Mexican citizens feel they are so deprived of economic opportunity that they receive greater support from the criminal enterprises than they do from the opportunity provided by government policies.

If an ever increasing number of average Mexicans continue to feel a greater sense of security through their participation in crimes, and support of organized crime, then government will become a failed state.

If government fails to make opportunity available, and it fails to discipline the traitors within their own ranks through trial and eventual execution of the guilty, then civil war will likely develop over time.

[Member #3453]

Again, for the millionth time, my contention has always been that Mexicanos, living in Monterrey, and forming social bonds and affiliations, not only with individuals, but also with many different private institutions, schools, government agencies, social organizations, banking affiliations, etc...are much more prominently on the radar than visiting Gringos, or Gringos living in Monterrey.

Due to this fact, the Mexicanos living in Monterrey have a much greater likelihood of being the victims of the violence and mayhem.

That has always been my contention. I have never disputed that for Mexican Nationals, that the potential for violence is significantly greater with respect to cartel violence and criminal victimization. Anyone that represents my position otherwise is being disingenuous with my representations. All these years of issuing recommendations, I have always qualified my statements that those recommendations are made to the benefit of visitors, and Gringo residents that are smart.

My recommendations with respect to visiting Monterrey, have always been directed toward Gringos, either Gringos visiting Monterrey, or Gringos living a low key existence in Monterrey, and not directed toward Mexican Nationals living in Monterrey, who should know the score, but seemingly often fail to actually prove it by revealing any details to back up their own recommendations with respect to the purpose of the ISG.

My comments concerning the abduction of individuals, and some of the targeting that goes on with respect to criminal activities, most recently this incident in Bario Antiqua for example, just confirms my theory that Mexicanos are their own worst enemies, sometime innocently and through no fault of their own, at least with respect to exposure to the dangers through their inclusion into the fabric of Mexican society. That is what escalates their danger level significantly, their membership in Mexican society.

We Gringos, Gringo residents of Monterrey, or Visitors, have little or no inclusion into Mexican society compared to the Mexican National, and we enjoy a significant insulation from that single fact. We also suffer the exclusion that comes with that reality. But, our goals and objectives don't adversely affect our mongering, just our legitimate social lives. But, not to the extent that we really care too much. Our priorities are what they are.

After all, we are not a part of Mexican society, and we do not appreciate what we are apparently missing. What we don't know, and haven't had the pleasure of experiencing with respect to the positive aspects of inclusion in Mexican society doesn't adversely affect us...Ignorance is bliss.

Mexican Nationals have a much greater degree of exposure to the violence that exists. In my own case for example, I do have a very small group of friends and acquaintances. I am simply not on the radar in Monterrey like I would otherwise be on the radar were I a life long resident of Monterrey, nor am I on the radar in Mexico to the extent that I am on the radar in the US, where I grew up, and where I still have significant ties to Gringo society.

In Mexico, I do not fraternize with a large circle of friends, I have no institutional affiliations, I have little or no contact with government, other than application for Visas, I have no bank account, deal in cash, etc...That's why I say that visitors, and/or Gringo residents, if they are wise, are significantly less likely to be targeted by the cartels if they remain low key.

Mexican Nationals, especially those that have lived in Monterrey for long periods of time, and have all the social and institutional connections to Mexican society, they are the ones at a considerably higher risk of being victimized. I freely admit that, and I was one of the first ones to point it out, even as my detractors like to misrepresent my position by calling me naive.

I am criticized that I must be naively denying the potential danger, and the large numbers of victims of the violence. Because, according to them, I don't live in Monterrey, and don't know large groups of people here...

They say that I must be a casual visitor to the area with little or no appreciation for what is really going on.
But, it isn't a matter of my knowing large statistical numbers of people that have been victimized. I choose not to know large groups of people, or immerse myself in Mexican society, and for a very good reason, out of self preservation.

Just because I make recommendations for visitors that they're subject to very slight danger levels by visiting the clubs, doesn't mean that I don't understand the dangers inherent in Mexican society as a whole for Mexicanos.

The reality is that there is a much lower likelihood that a very low key Gringo, living in Monterrey, or a visitor to Monterrey, with little or no quantifiable social connections to what is undeniably a corrupt society, will fall victim to that same corruption that plagues the Mexicano that is socially and institutionally immersed in the fabric of that corrupt and dangerous society.

You stick out like a sore thumb, and I am a phantom in the night, and so are visitors to Monterrey, if they're smart. That is the distinction!

So, in your zeal to discredit my interpretation of what is and is not safe, apparently out of hatred and jealousy, you eagerly attempt to distort my published assessment of things as it relates to how things really are within the context I've described.

Things are relatively safe for a vast majority of visitors to Monterrey, especially infrequent Gringo visitors with little or no affiliations to expose them to the dangers, as compared to the average Mexican citizen who has all the connections to what can only be described as a corrupt and criminally oriented society.

My detractors, in their zeal to contradict me, fail to think logically, actually agreeing with me more often than not. But, they miss the point of my recommendations to others, and what I predicate those recommendations on, that those recommendations are not directed toward Mexican Nationals living in Monterrey.

I know my own strategy, and my relative low key existence compared to the average Mexican, that it significantly insulates me and other visitors as well from what plagues the fabric of Mexico society. The immersion of Mexican citizens into a corrupt society is what plagues them, while simultaneously insulating "us," to a certain extent, at least to an extent whose risk is justified with respect to dividends.

Someone once accused me of knowing all of (7) people in Monterrey. Well, I know many more than that, but I am aloof, distant, close to the vest, cautious, and private with all others. My own strategy with respect to protecting myself is to limit contacts socially, to limit contact with government, to limit institutional contact and affiliations, to limit financial reporting (ie: banking), and to limit as much exposure to Mexican society as possible.

This is not something the average Mexican has the luxury of doing, nor do they want to engage in that kind of discipline to remain safe, even if they could. It is very hard to disappear in your own ethnic society, nor would most people want to do it.

I realize that. But, I also realize that the average visitor, and for most wise Gringos living in Mexico, it is the best strategy. And, it is also what protects the average visitor from the dangers that expose the average Mexicano, and this must be what makes my detractors so incredulous at hearing my recommendations.

My recommendations on ISG concerning whether to monger here, Mr. Mexicano, are not directed at you. They are for the average visitor, and the wise Gringo living in Monterrey. I am sorry you're a victim of your own society, the corruption, the criminal acts, the thievery, etc...Truly, I am very sorry.

But, I also know that by my having the ability to insulate myself from your world, I am protected more thoroughly. That is my recommendations to visitors as well. Stay low key, and you will be fine...

[Dad Fun 555]

SpongeBob,

The idea that you are a "phantom in the night" is a laughing riot, because as a gringo in the clubs I am automatically asked if I know the "the man who brings cookies" upon meeting anybody in the clubs. The amount of personal information available which you have either posted directly on the forums, or easily available for the cost of a couple of ladies drinks is unprecedented. You are one of the most famous and prolific patrons of Monterrey's commercial illicit sex district, an area of town so notorious that 99% of local guys are too scared to even take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) there.

Fortunately you have a reputation of being a nice guy and being harmless, but should you ever become a target, the odds aren't in your favor. The bad guys are equipped to battle military and disposing a defenseless gringo without a trace would be an easy job. Mongering is inherently a social activity. It doesn't take much imagination to think of many scenarios where a monger could become a target, and could easily be the result of a misunderstanding where you did nothing wrong. What if a lady you're close to gets knocked up? Think they're going to wait around for the paternity tests and the court case, or maybe they just want revenge for deflowering their darling princess? Mexican justice.

I haven't seen much published about the subject, but it has always been my operating assumption that the various criminal syndicates are heavily involved in prostitution in Monterrey. That a large number of patrons are low level gang members. It is true pretty much everywhere so is probably a safe assumption about Monterrey also. A big portion of the women are drug users so you are two degrees from all sorts of drug dealers. With all that is known about the drug situation in Mexico, it just seems like playing with fire to willingly insert yourself right into that world.

[Member #3453]

SpongeBob,

The idea that you are a "phantom in the night" is a laughing riot, because as a gringo in the clubs I am automatically asked if I know the "the man who brings cookies" upon meeting anybody in the clubs. The amount of personal information available which you have either posted directly on the forums, or easily available for the cost of a couple of ladies drinks is unprecedented. You are one of the most famous and prolific patrons of Monterrey's commercial illicit sex district, an area of town so notorious that 99% of local guys are too scared to even take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) there.

Fortunately you have a reputation of being a nice guy and being harmless, but should you ever become a target, the odds aren't in your favor. The bad guys are equipped to battle military and disposing a defenseless gringo without a trace would be an easy job. Mongering is inherently a social activity. It doesn't take much imagination to think of many scenarios where a monger could become a target, and could easily be the result of a misunderstanding where you did nothing wrong. What if a lady you're close to gets knocked up? Think they're going to wait around for the paternity tests and the court case, or maybe they just want revenge for deflowering their darling princess? Mexican justice.

I haven't seen much published about the subject, but it has always been my operating assumption that the various criminal syndicates are heavily involved in prostitution in Monterrey. That a large number of patrons are low level gang members. It is true pretty much everywhere so is probably a safe assumption about Monterrey also. A big portion of the women are drug users so you are two degrees from all sorts of drug dealers. With all that is known about the drug situation in Mexico, it just seems like playing with fire to willingly insert yourself right into that world.

You make a lot of assumptions, yet you really know nothing of me. You only know what I want you to know, and they only know what I want them to know. Remember that....You are speculating about me, based on details I've projected with respect to a persona that I created almost ten years ago, and perpetrated upon the clubs.

At that time, the risks associated with being recognized were not nearly as great as they are today. Suffice it to say that my reputation lingers in places that I no longer frequent, and with some girls and waiters that I rarely ever see.

Simply put, I don't do things that risk some kind of retaliatory reaction from individuals in the clubs. And, while it may seem that I am active in the clubs, my patronage of them has diminished considerably over the years compared to ten years ago. My activities in the clubs are not nearly as predictable these days, and my reputation live on in my absence. With respect to some kind of conspiracy that someone might want to perpetrate upon me, what most of them have is a memory of me, and very little opportunity to actually plan much of anything. My activities are not predictable.

I freely admit that I am a little more vulnerable than the average one time visitor due to my having some visibility in a very finite number of clubs. My reputation and "familiarity" lingers with some that rarely, if ever, actually still see me.

But, that is exactly my point when making recommendations to people visiting Monterrey for the first time, or even when advising the occasional visitor. The average visitor has no little or no recognition in the clubs, and risks even less than we do.

After all, they now associate you with me, whether you like it or not. Better not go, or you may be targeted as a friend of the Gringo.

Anyone can be targeted for criminal activity. And, with respect to Mexico, I do assume some risks as a result of my presence in Mexico, and due to the recognition factor in some of the bars, not because it is dangerous for the average visitor, but because my notoriety in the bars contradicts my preference to maintain a low key presence. And, even then, I am still infinitely safer than those that are immersed in Mexican society on a
day-to-day basis.

Remember, my own notoriety in the bars is a result of my patronage of those bars over a period of ten years, long before the dangers had risen to their current level in Mexico. My persona and reputation in the bars has been well established for many years. Reversing that trend for me is much more difficult than others heeding my advise to lay low.

[El Cazador]

My sincerest condolences to your girlfriend. Really, it is very tragic, and I mean that sincerely.

But, again, the circumstances you describe have very little to so with the seedy side of town where we like to frequent the strip clubs. The circumstances of the crime suggest that the victim was not just a random, innocent patron of a night club.

Logically, random murders in a night club, where the body (s) are carted off by the perpetrators suggests that the individuals involved were "TARGETED." They aren't targeted for no reason. But, someone specifically murdered in a night club whose body is carted off suggests something more than a random act of violence for the sake of robbery, etc. Certainly, in the US, there are constant reminders that collateral damage happens to innocent bystanders. There are nightly news stories in the US of crimes that are just as heinous.

Most of the perpetrators of these heinous crimes in Mexico lately, aren't pros, and many of them aren't particularly intelligent with respect to being caught for their crimes. A pro doesn't bring the DNA from the scene of the crime with him.

My contention with respect to the violence has been that mongers are not in the same kind of danger as persons that have ties to cartels, or are themselves engaging in criminal acts, other than to potentially be collateral damage from the carelessness of these want to be gangster types acting out their own perceived stereotype behavior, or the army and police as they sometimes carelessly display a disregard for public safety in fighting the gangsters.

I am not in denial that the violence exists, just that the average monger who is not engaging in cartel affiliations, or criminal activities, (ie: an innocent, relatively obscure mongering visitor to the area) , is not at any particular added risk by visiting the clubs on the "seedy" side of Monterrey.

An incident in Bario Antiqua doesn't relate to what goes on at Villagran and Carlos Salazar. I have heard of numerous issues at the nightclubs of Bario Antigua. I would not recommend going there late at night. Frankly, that's where the high rolling gangster types are, spreading their money around, playing the big shot.

Most of their type that are frequenting the upscale establishments in Bario Antiqua aren't particularly interested in rubbing elbows with low class factory worker who doesn't have two pesos to rub together, not enough money to take girls up for a privado, but have to sit around the outskirts of the stage to cop a feel!

There certainly are gang members in the clubs around Villagran and Carlos Salizar, but those areas, while seemingly seedy, and seemingly ripe for being a hot bed of potentially dangerous activity, aren't, statistically. Bario Antigua, IS, statistically.

With respect to the media, they sensationalize everything for profit! Everywhere, the US, Mexico, EVERYWHERE!

My point is that through the sensationalizing heinous crimes, they encourage, and often perpetuate, the very worst offenders in a society of miscreants that crave media attention, and notoriety, the want to be's who think that's what professional criminals do, and want to exhibit the stereotype by conducting what they perceive is the behavior that will gain them entry into the club. These miscreants have more money than they've ever had in their entire short lives, they live for today, and they would gladly trade 2 years of living large for what might otherwise be the remaining 60 years of their lives.

With respect to my criticism of media's role, most of the violence is NOT cartel business, but freelancers behaving like they think they have to behave to be the want to be's they crave being. Their behavior is the result of the HYPE perpetrated by sensationalized media coverage as these gangster want to be's conduct themselves in sync with what they perceive is the behavior of high rolling criminal types, a stereotype perpetrated by media in an effort to package their coverage, and sell more product, a vicious, and self promoting, self perpetuating of the stereotype they created for profit. Why do you come to this foro and make the belief that you know everything in Monterrey and Mexico when you only visit a couple weeks a year? The violence that happen in mexico is most all cartel. Like I report before, this is now a war of power and control and not only about the drugs. Your report above continue to make you appear to be the fool. Anyone read it that live here know you a fool.

And you mention pro. There is no need for pro or no-pro because nothing is to be done against the cartels. They are enforcing there own law and order and victimizing the people here. You insult us with your know everything atitude.

You are not to be qualify to make the opinion of what is happen here in mexico or monterrey right now. I feel bad for your monterrey friend here on the foro because he live here and knows you say very foolish things.

Nobody want to have a fool as the friend.

[Member #3453]

With all that is known about the drug situation in Mexico, it just seems like playing with fire to willingly insert yourself right into that world.

And, let me just point out an inconsistency. And, I mean this with all sincerity, and I mean no malice or disrespect for pointing it out. Just a philosophical discussion, right?

It occurs to me that you do not even subscribe to your own advice if you attend the clubs yourself, enough to know the reputation of Unspongebob among them, and yet you still choose to patronize them, apparently enough that you have been questioned numerous times about our knowing each other.

You call attention to yourself just by being a Gringo, and draw even further attention to yourself, whether you think you are or not, by acknowledging you know of me. You are as recognizable in the clubs as I am therefore.

Why then, do you believe that you're not susceptible to the same dangers that you say I endure, and you say all mongers endure when they enter the clubs?

The difference between us is this...If I truly believed the clubs were as dangerous as you say you believe they are, I would not patronize them at all. Yet, you're right there in the barrel of snakes yourself.

You do not believe your own rhetoric or you would not be in the clubs. And, if you really do believe all your rhetoric, do you think you're untouchable? Do you think that just because I am recognized by a few hungry waiters and few MILFS that remember me from five years ago that I am somehow more vulnerable than you are, or that I am more vulnerable than all the hombres that frequent these bars on a much more regular basis than I do?

If you frequent the bars enough times to be asked if you know me, and you don't apparently have the trepidation that you say we all should have because we're supposedly just two steps away from offending hordes of drug dealers and their girlfriends, why are you there???

You are the one advocating that we all stay home due to the insurmountable dangers, not me. See how inconsistent your comments are with respect to your own behavior? Your own behavior betrays your true opinion...

[Dad Fun 555]

SpongeBob,

I don't think your "unpredictable" lifestyle in Monterrey really buys you as much as you think it is. If you become a target, it doesn't matter where you are: in a crowded restaurant, in a military convoy, in an underground bunker, wherever you are the bad guys would be able to track you down. Guys have tracked you down from info you posted on the forums, so I don't think the professionals who hunt down elusive rivals, would have much challenge. You claim to reside in Monterrey now, so does that mean you sleep under the same roof every night? (I haven't figured out if you actually do live in Monterrey now, or if you just say so on the forums in order to try to boost your credibility and maybe to elude people who might try to find you).

Your real only defense is in not becoming a target. Keep being nice to folks you meet in Monterrey, because I really don't think you realize how defenseless you would be if you ever became a target. I think the risk of a misunderstanding when regularly associating with the type of people who work in clubs where drug use flourishes, with ties to criminal syndicates, and with the illicit sexual intimacy the risk is non-negligible. The clubs themselves have not been venues for violence but I think there are a lot of dangerous people there, and mixing with them could be hazardous.

You say it's all in the past and that now you only go to different clubs, and talk to different people. Maybe so, but the sex underworld in Monterrey is not that big, so if you are still active it'd be tough to hide. Or maybe you don't go to clubs at all any more, which to me is an admission that you think the risk has become too high. I do believe the risk for visitors coming down for a few days is very low, but it is when you establish relationships and become a regular that you are more likely to encounter the types of problems which happen in Monterrey. It is perfectly possible to monger in stealth mode, but the manner in which you have operated is anything but stealthy.

[Member #3453]

The violence that happen in mexico is most all cartelYou simplify the problem by giving credit to the cartels for what is primarily a crime problem due to wide spread corruption within the government, and among the people themselves, at all levels.


And you mention pro. There is no need for pro or no-pro because nothing is to be done against the cartels. They are enforcing there own law and order and victimizing the people here. You insult us with your know everything atitudeThe entire system in Mexico is so corrupt that an unacceptable majority in the lower/middle classes, and an alarming portion of the upper/governing class, perpetuates the problem. And the beast feeds on it's own, that's all.


You are not to be qualify to make the opinion of what is happen here in mexico or monterrey right now. I feel bad for your monterrey friend here on the foro because he live here and knows you say very foolish things.I spend huge amounts of time here...and, I choose my friends based on their credibility, exhibited over time, and their sincerity toward me, and others.

In Mexico, one has to be "SIGNIFICANTLY" discriminating when choosing friends. Not too many are even eligible. My friends have passed the test with flying colors.

In Mexico, there are simply too many people whose sole objective is to sabotage others if it gains them even as little as 5 pesos.

There are simply too many whose self serving motivations cancel out any sense of loyalty with respect to true friendship.

With friends like that who needs enemies...


Nobody want to have a fool as the friend.Listen, don't worry so much about me. I choose my friends, and I am perfectly content. I don't really care in the least bit what some people, especially those who I am intimately familiar with regarding their dubious motivations, and whose sole objective is to screw others without any provocation, might think.

The primary motivation of some seems to be aimed at discrediting my perceptions of Mexico. But, while the reader may not be familiar with the affiliations and activities of some of my detractors, the offenders know that I am savvy to the scope of their activities and motivations.

Some Mexicanos are a part of the problem in Mexico, capitalizing on the mayhem, and not particularly caring that their country is being destroyed in the process. Unfortunately, an disproportionate percentage of Mexican society is engaged in profiteering. They don't care that their own activities are contributing to the demise of Mexico as we know it. They're perfectly content selling out their country by participating in, and/or promoting the mayhem in an effort to profit modestly from their own contribution, and/or through their complicit "do nothing" acceptance of how things are.

[El Cazador]

You simplify the problem by giving credit to the cartels for what is primarily a crime problem due to wide spread corruption within the government, and among the people themselves, at all levels.

The entire system in Mexico is so corrupt that an unacceptable majority in the lower / middle classes, and an alarming portion of the upper / governing class, perpetuates the problem. And the beast feeds on it's own, that's all.

I spend huge amounts of time here. And, I choose my friends based on their credibility, exhibited over time, and their sincerity toward me, and others.

In Mexico, one has to be "SIGNIFICANTLY" discriminating when choosing friends. Not too many are even eligible. My friends have passed the test with flying colors.

In Mexico, there are simply too many people whose sole objective is to sabotage others if it gains them even as little as 5 pesos.

There are simply too many whose self serving motivations cancel out any sense of loyalty with respect to true friendship.

With friends like that who needs enemies.

Listen, don't worry so much about me. I choose my friends, and I am perfectly content. I don't really care in the least bit what some people, especially those who I am intimately familiar with regarding their dubious motivations, and whose sole objective is to screw others without any provocation, might think.

The primary motivation of some seems to be aimed at discrediting my perceptions of Mexico. But, while the reader may not be familiar with the affiliations and activities of some of my detractors, the offenders know that I am savvy to the scope of their activities and motivations.

Some Mexicanos are a part of the problem in Mexico, capitalizing on the mayhem, and not particularly caring that their country is being destroyed in the process. Unfortunately, an disproportionate percentage of Mexican society is engaged in profiteering. They don't care that their own activities are contributing to the demise of Mexico as we know it. They're perfectly content selling out their country by participating in, and / or promoting the mayhem in an effort to profit modestly from their own contribution, and / or through their complicit "do nothing" acceptance of how things are.The only friends I see you have on this foro is the multinicks you mulitple personalities create last year when you make the argument with me and others. Many of these multinciks come to you defense and everyone here on this foro know these multinicks are you.

You insult monterrey and mexicans born and live here with you know everything atitude. I never go to united stated foro and try to behave that I know everything because I do not.

You appear to be the fool to everyone that live here in monterrey and mexico. I feel bad for you monterrey friend here on this foro as anyone that live here know that you are a fool. You insult and embarass when you speak.

[MonterreyDude]

Let me point out one thing.

Mexican Federal Police, army, marines do not carry AK-47's.

This is pure BS from the NRA:

"Millions upon millions of additional dollars have been sold to the Mexican government via South American governments (ie: Guatemala, etc.) , a number of European Governments, and the Chinese government, hundreds of millions of dollars in total, consisting mostly of surplus armaments, all of which were sold at the request of the "MEXICAN GOVERNMENT" for their own arsenals."

This is not the Iran-Contra dealings.

Mexico buys from the US directly. They do not need to triangulate their deals.

Again: A sure sign that if Mexico would be buying from Asia would be the armament and every single piece of weapons and ordenance in the hands of Mexico comes from the US.

Again: Why the hell would Mexico buy weapons from China if we have the US to the North!

"The arms flowing into the hands of criminals in Mexico are NOT coming solely from a civilian US market through a corrupt firearms registration system as has been accused. The numbers of those weapons finding their way into Mexico is infinitesimally small, and of NO CONSEQUENCE WHAT SO EVER."

Lets see the "infinitesimally small" numbers:

This represents 700 guns:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/26/grand-jury-indicts-alleged-gun-smuggle-ring/

This is "over" 300 guns.

http://www.kpho.com/news/26908225/detail.html

And this is the US allowing the sales of guns to Mexico via Fast and Furious BS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml

The "ifinitesimally small" numbres go way above 2000 weapons in less than 6 months. And these are the ones we know of.

No of course not.

Weapons in Mexico do not come from the US.


First, the means by which a group can perpetrate civil war is entirely dependent on their ability to procure weapons.

Some blame the supposed "leniency" of US guns laws for the weapons being discovered in the hands of the cartel members, and independent criminals.

It has now been revealed that $177, 000, 000 worth of military grade weapons were "SOLD" to the "MEXICAN GOVERNMENT," authorized by the US State Department at the request of the Mexican government, not the types of weapons manufactured or even made available for civilian consumption. Of that $177, 000, 000, the Mexican government can not account for the disposition of those weapons once they were received.

The $177, 000, 000 were military grade weapons, ie: machine guns, grenades, etc, which consists of the majority of the kinds of weapons that are being found in the possession of cartel members, and in the possession of independent criminals with no cartel affiliation, (ie:freelancers).

These are not the types of weapons consumed by the US civilian market, and regulated by the Gun Control Act of 1968, the regulations that govern civilian sales of firearms in the USA.

Millions upon millions of additional dollars have been sold to the Mexican government via South American governments (ie: Guatemala, etc.) , a number of European Governments, and the Chinese government, hundreds of millions of dollars in total, consisting mostly of surplus armaments, all of which were sold at the request of the "MEXICAN GOVERNMENT" for their own arsenals.

WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE DISPOSITION AND SECURITY OF THOSE WEAPONS ONCE THE WEAPONS ARE SOLD AT THE REQUEST OF THE "MEXICAN GOVERNMENT," AND DELIVERED INTO THE HANDS OF MEXICAN GOVERNMENT OFFICALS?

This is about rampant wide scale organized, and many individual disorganized, criminal enterprises, perpetrated by a statistically small number of professional criminals, and a disproportionately high number of average Mexican Citizens, Soldiers, Mexican Government Officials, and corrupt Mexican Military Officials, etc. All engaged in criminal activity for profit, and in some cases at the lower level, for their very survival.

The arms flowing into the hands of criminals in Mexico are NOT coming solely from a civilian US market through a corrupt firearms registration system as has been accused. The numbers of those weapons finding their way into Mexico is infinitesimally small, and of NO CONSEQUENCE WHAT SO EVER.

The political rhetoric aimed at blaming US leniency for the availability of weapons in Mexico is ludicrous at best. The US civilian firearms market has not substantially contributing to the illicit arms problem in Mexico. The instance of 1000-2000 weapons that the ATF permitted to be sold to straw party purchasers by US gun dealers along the border, with the permission of the inept Obama Justice Department, are totally and completely inconsequential statistically.

Now we know that those weapons are coming into Mexico at the request of the Mexican Government, and sold on the black market to the cartels and independent criminals by a huge disproportionately high number of dishonest, traitorous Mexican Government Officials, and low level government workers having control of the arms inventory itself.

We have always known that Mexicans themselves are fueling the destabilization Mexico, while Mexicans point the finger at the US, blaming the US with their anti gun political rhetoric. But, Mexicans aren't doing it for some political "civil war" kind of motivation. They are doing it for economic reasons, and not to acquire "power," or for organized political reasons. Undoubtedly, there are those desiring to destabilize the government to acquire their own brand of power. But, they could not prevail without the complicit cooperation of a disproportionately high number of average citizens joining the mahem for economic reasons.

That is criminal enterprise for profit, and TREASON. But, it is NOT a civil war. Criminal Enterprise is out of control within Mexico, and with a disproportionately high government and civilian participation for "profit."

Mexico is on the road to potential civil war. But, they are not there yet. If civil war develops, it will be because the a greater proportion of average Mexican citizens feel they are so deprived of economic opportunity that they receive greater support from the criminal enterprises than they do from the opportunity provided by government policies.

If an ever increasing number of average Mexicans continue to feel a greater sense of security through their participation in crimes, and support of organized crime, then government will become a failed state.

If government fails to make opportunity available, and it fails to discipline the traitors within their own ranks through trial and eventual execution of the guilty, then civil war will likely develop over time.

[Member #3453]

I never go to united stated foro and try to behave that I know everything because I do not.What do you think this forum is other than a United States Forum? This is NOT a Mexican forum. I have every right, and am eminently qualified to comment on my experiences in Monterrey, and to give my perception of things as it relates to my experience in Monterrey. I don't comment to you about foot ball, or the price of tortillas. I am commenting on things I know about. You, on the other hand, comment on things you have absolutely NO knowledge of, trying to pass yourself off as some kind of expert on mongering in Monterrey. The truth hurts, and I feel sorry for you as well.

[Dad Fun 555]

What do you think this forum is other than a United States Forum?Huh? As far as I know the site itself is based out of Argentina. I don't think any of the posters in the Monterrey forum specifically are from US. With the site's busiest destinations being Asia and Europe, I doubt more than a token number of participants from the overall site are from US. It is an international site, not a US site.

[Member #3453]

Mexican Federal Police, army, marines do not carry AK-47's.No, they carry fully automatic AR15s, made in America.


This is pure BS from the NRA:The dollars sent to the Mexican Government with respect to military grade weapons is public record. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the NRA. That report was issued by Hillary Clinton's State Department. $177, 000, 000 sold to the government of Mexico, at their request, delivered to Mexican Government Officials that could not account for the whereabouts of that inventory.


Mexico buys from the US directly. They do not need to triangulate their deals.

Again: A sure sign that if Mexico would be buying from Asia would be the armament and every single piece of weapons and ordenance in the hands of Mexico comes from the US. Again: Why the hell would Mexico buy weapons from China if we have the US to the North! I say again,"The arms flowing into the hands of criminals in Mexico are NOT coming solely from a civilian US market through a corrupt firearms registration system as has been accused. The numbers of those weapons finding their way into Mexico is infinitesimally small, and of NO CONSEQUENCE WHAT SO EVER."

And for your information, AK47s are NOT mass produced in the US. They are manufactured in what were formerly Russian States, Eastern European Countries like Romania, Bulagaria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc...and CHINA!!!

They are illegal to even import from China into the US, by order of Bill Clinton, and they can not be imported from Eastern Block Countries without their having to make significant modifications to their design so as to conform with the Gun Control Act of 1968.

The cartels, and other criminal syndicates, are getting AK47s from other sources, most likely through countries like Guatemala, Russia, Eastern Block Countries...Those countries are where the mass production of AK47s occurs in the world, and especially with respect to fully automatic AKs, which are illegal in the US. Simply put, they are smuggled in. They do not originate in Mexico from the US in great numbers through a corrupt US Gun Registration System, nor is the AK47s issued to US Military personnel.


Lets see the "infinitesimally small" numbers:

This represents 700 guns:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/26/grand-jury-indicts-alleged-gun-smuggle-ring/

This is "over" 300 guns.

http://www.kpho.com/news/26908225/detail.html

And this is the US allowing the sales of guns to Mexico via Fast and Furious BS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml

The "ifinitesimally small" numbres go way above 2000 weapons in less than 6 months. And these are the ones we know of.

The numbers ARE infinitesimally small...Look, the list price of an AK47 once modified to be legally imported into the US as a semi-automatic weapon is $459. 00 each, ok? That's list price. An AK47 is a cheap piece of crap, a good assault weapon, but cheap! So your 2000 guns, if they are AKs, amounts to $918,000. 00, most of which, if they were AKs, were permitted to enter Mexico as part of the stupid-assed Obama Administration's Justice Department Sting Operation spear headed by Eric Holder.

That really is an infinitesimal number of weapons in the big scheme of things, correct???

That is less than 6% of the total that was legally sent to the Government of Mexico at their request, $177,000,000 of legally sold weapons sold to Mexico by the State Department. If you research the expenditures for arms purchased by the Mexican Government, that $177,000,000 is probably infinitesimal in and of itself. But, you are talking about 6% of just the expenditure for arms by the Mexican Government made legally through the US.

The majority of illegal weapons entering Mexico do not come through ill-legitimate sources in the US... So,

I stand by what I said...of the amount in addition to the $1777,000,000 sold legally to the Mexican Government by the US State Department, there are Millions upon millions of additional dollars sold to the Mexican government via other countries, sold to the Mexican Government for the Mexican Government's Arsenals, weapons not manufactured in the US, weapons not issue to US Military personnel, and weapons not permitted to be imported into the US for sale to the civilian general public.

Some of what is recovered in Mexico in possession of the cartels is probably part of the $177, 000, 000 worth of arms sold legally to the Mexican Government by the US State Department. But, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with some kind of leniency loophole in US Gun Registration Requirements for average US citizens. It has more to do with corruption at every level of Mexican Government.

Some like to blame the Civilian Market in the US for all of Mexico's illegal guns, but where in the HELL is the $177,000,000 worth of LEGAL arms sold to the country of Mexico that are unaccounted for?

[Member #3453]

Huh? As far as I know the site itself is based out of Argentina. I don't think any of the posters in the Monterrey forum specifically are from US. With the site's busiest destinations being Asia and Europe, I doubt more than a token number of participants from the overall site are from US. It is an international site, not a US site.

It is not a site populated with Spanish Speaking Mexicans, in other words. They have their own sites, and while some do read the ISG, it is a relatively new phenomenon. It is a site, or at least the Monterrey forum, is a forum populated by English Speaking Gringos from the US, not Mexico, and it always has been. Of course, that could change. I also believe that most contributors on all the other forums within the ISG are Gringos, Farangs, or Expats, whatever you want to call them, the majority having deep roots in the USA. To me, that makes the ISG an English Speaking "US" forum regardless of where the owners are forced to hide their servers in order to insulate themselves from prosecution.

[Member #3453]

SpongeBob,

I don't think your "unpredictable" lifestyle in Monterrey really buys you as much as you think it is. If you become a target, it doesn't matter where you are: in a crowded restaurant, in a military convoy, in an underground bunker, wherever you are the bad guys would be able to track you down. Guys have tracked you down from info you posted on the forums, so I don't think the professionals who hunt down elusive rivals, would have much challenge. You claim to reside in Monterrey now, so does that mean you sleep under the same roof every night? (I haven't figured out if you actually do live in Monterrey now, or if you just say so on the forums in order to try to boost your credibility and maybe to elude people who might try to find you).

Your real only defense is in not becoming a target. Keep being nice to folks you meet in Monterrey, because I really don't think you realize how defenseless you would be if you ever became a target. I think the risk of a misunderstanding when regularly associating with the type of people who work in clubs where drug use flourishes, with ties to criminal syndicates, and with the illicit sexual intimacy the risk is non-negligible. The clubs themselves have not been venues for violence but I think there are a lot of dangerous people there, and mixing with them could be hazardous.

You say it's all in the past and that now you only go to different clubs, and talk to different people. Maybe so, but the sex underworld in Monterrey is not that big, so if you are still active it'd be tough to hide. Or maybe you don't go to clubs at all any more, which to me is an admission that you think the risk has become too high. I do believe the risk for visitors coming down for a few days is very low, but it is when you establish relationships and become a regular that you are more likely to encounter the types of problems which happen in Monterrey. It is perfectly possible to monger in stealth mode, but the manner in which you have operated is anything but stealthy. You're grasping at straws. Big deal. You walked into a bar, probably El Infinito, and a couple of waiters ask if you know "the guy" than comes in with cookies. Oh, that's a hell of a lot of information to go by. And, they really know nothing else. The idea that by showing up in a strip club and showing a little kindness to a hand full of waiters, having no predictable routine by which any one of them can ever anticipate my next visit, I am going to somehow draw the attention of criminals that will indiscriminately, and with absolutely no motivation to benefit them, abduct and murder me, or anybody else, without their having some reasonable motivation that will benefit them criminally, is totally ludicrous.

Don't you think I watch my back, check for shadows, understand the underbelly of society better than to be so easily tracked by a bunch of shithead amateurs? I have more experience in my fingernail reading the streets than most other people have in their entire bodies. Do I drop my guard on occasion, sure. But, I don't do it often, and I'm perfectly comfortably with my abilities to protect myself, and watch my back.

I have no ties to their world other than my occasional and unpredictable visits to their strip club. I have no one within the clubs that knows the first thing about me. All they know is that I am a nice guy...Big Deal. They're going to abduct and murder me because I am a nice guy? How does that benefit them? There isn't a lot of money in murdering penniless nice guys. And, believe me, they all see me as penniless, and as a total waste of time with respect to my being a patron. If you really knew anything about me based on your conversations with them, you should know that. That's just the way I want it, and that's the persona I have projected for ten years.

I have a whole host of strategies I use to protect myself in Monterrey. But, I am too distrustful of some people on this forum to disclose the ways I protect myself, or to reveal too much about my own activities, and/or my personal living circumstances. And, as you are laughing over my being a phantom, I am more than the phantom than you are willing to give me credit. You know I exist, yet you really know NOTHING!!! To you, and everyone else, I am "Something apparently seen, heard, or sensed, but having no physical reality." I am Unspongebob, and identifiable only by a clandestine screen name with no other means by which anyone knows my true identity, just as I've planned it.

Too many have demonstrated their own dubious motivations toward me and others for me to be so foolish as to disclose within this forum, or on the ground in Monterrey, my personal circumstances.

I have NO more visibility than you do, or any of the rest of their regular patrons have, no more than when you walk into one of the clubs yourself and they recognize "YOU." They do not know me as Unspongebob, just the nice Gringo. Your logic defies logic, and your being totally speculative about me and my particulars.

With respect to it being soooo dangerous...Yeah, we might get another hurricane in Monterrey sometime, and yeah the river might fill up, and yeah I might drown in a taxi as Constitution gets washed away by an uncontrollable deluge of water from the mountains.

I guess the solution is to report nothing on ISG, cancel any trips to the clubs, don't live in Monterrey along with the 5 million other human beings that are living and breathing here this very minute, and not being murdered by the cartels, right?

Is that what you're after? Am I supposed to all of a sudden conclude that I am just pushing the envelope too far by showing a little kindness to a few lowly waiters, and a couple of MILFs in the clubs?

Let's see, would they show me any more mercy were I an SOB, and showed visible contempt for them?

Should I move back to the US, abandon the clubs, and the mongering lifestyle in Monterrey, so others can assume the roll of expert commentator, and spread all their BS commentary for their own disingenuous motivations, ones you have absolutely no clue about because you really don't know the origins of some of my detractors on ISG.

I know their game, their behaviors, their motivations, and their disingenuous treatment of others first hand. You side with them. I don't think you're a part of their group. But, you side with them none the less in the content of your comments concerning Monterrey.

You have no idea whom you are supporting with your comments. So, you see, I am much more knowledgeable about the realities on the ground in Monterrey than you give me credit, and certainly more so than you would ever guess in your wildest dreams.

Quite obviously some of them have absolutely no knowledge of the bar scene in Monterrey, not even after several of the legitimate regulars on here have asked them to comment with specifics?

Forget about it...the entire premise that I am somehow more vulnerable than anybody else is ridiculous, and by your showing up yourself in the clubs, your arguments only reveal your own hypocrisy, and possibly a disingenuous bias toward me personally. Your comments about me, and your speculation about my activities and circumstances in Monterrey offer absolutely nothing to the forum, and offer no reasonable advice to the average visitor that wants to monger in Monterrey.

Too dangerous for me, and everybody else, but you're going to be ok because...because of what?

Are you carrying weapons, knifes, AKs, what? Are you the head of a drug cartel, or are you a major bad spooky dude that is insulated from the mayhem through your own criminal affiliations?...Do you have some kind of guardian angel on your shoulder that will protect you from all this same mayhem you say awaits all the rest of "us," and especially me, just because I am nice to a few low level waiters that have worked the strip clubs for ten years! Are you nicer than I am to them that you believe they'll somehow leave you alone then?

Why do you feel compelled to accuse me of naivete in visiting the bars when I've been doing it for ten years, and have all the credibility you say I have with respect to being the most prolific monger on the planet with respect to Monterrey?

It would seen to me I would be in a much better position to survive the experience than just about anyone else then, you included.

[Dad Fun 555]

I also believe that most contributors on all the other forums within the ISG are Gringos, Farangs, or Expats, whatever you want to call them, the majority having deep roots in the USA. To me, that makes the ISG an English Speaking "US" forum regardless of where the owners are forced to hide their servers in order to insulate themselves from prosecution.I don't think this is true. If you go to Thailand nowadays, probably only about 1 in 20 guys on the ground is from US (and almost all of those are living / working somewhere in Asia or Middle East). The majority of the guys coming are from Europe, Australia, and Japan, but guys come from all over: Russia, Korea, India, Middle East, even Africa.

If you think about it, it makes sense. Folks in US only get average of 2 weeks of vacation per year (compared with 6 weeks for European countries) , and with the US dollar in the toilet and the distance from US to prime mongering sites, Americans are not really on monger radar. It's pretty rare for someone in US to go to Thailand for a week or two vacation. Europeans have the ability to travel to there far more easily. Aside from Costa Rica, and Mexico border towns, my impression is that the most of the parts of the site are dominated by posters from Europe and from all over.

I don't think is single poster in Monterrey forum lives in US. If someone is coming to Monterrey from UK or from Singapore or wherever, they probably would check here. English language does not imply that it is US at all.

[Dad Fun 555]

You're grasping at straws. Big deal. You walked into a bar, probably El Infinito, and a couple of waiters ask if you know "the guy" than comes in with cookies. Oh, that's a hell of a lot of information to go by.The amount of information available about you from other mongers and from women you go with is voluminous, akin to a schoolgirl who updates her Facebook every 5 minutes with everything she thinks. You are either oblivious or in denial about this. In a gentleman's disgagreement I'm not going to reveal the specifics of such information, and I don't need you to "validate" it's veracity. I know what I know. Look you're a grown man with decades of experience in Monterrey and I don't question you have your own strategies to deal with the dangers of Monterrey, but the suggestion that you achieve this by keeping low profile is outright laughable. Unlike other mongers I don't really portend to have any street smarts at all, and I know I am entirely defenseless physically. I'm always amused by guys who think they're bullet proof by keeping an eye on their surroundings, but a motorcycle assassin or a roving gang of drug sniffing youths dispatched by someone watching you from the ninth floor of the building on the corner can nab you before can you can blink. I can't say that I have any elaborate strategy for avoiding danger beyond simply not going to places where danger is present. You have a very long history of attracting detractors, not just here and there, pretty much everyone who has posted on the forum for years. I can't pinpoint exactly why that is but after a certain point you have to start to wonder if it's something you're doing. I just hope that part of your personality does not rub off in your monger adventures, where it can turn into something a lot more serious that a little online feud.

[ErickMorsa]

The amount of information available about you from other mongers and from women you go with is voluminous, akin to a schoolgirl who updates her Facebook every 5 minutes with everything she thinks. You are either oblivious or in denial about this. In a gentleman's disgagreement I'm not going to reveal the specifics of such information, and I don't need you to "validate" it's veracity. I know what I know. Look you're a grown man with decades of experience in Monterrey and I don't question you have your own strategies to deal with the dangers of Monterrey, but the suggestion that you achieve this by keeping low profile is outright laughable. Unlike other mongers I don't really portend to have any street smarts at all, and I know I am entirely defenseless physically. I'm always amused by guys who think they're bullet proof by keeping an eye on their surroundings, but a motorcycle assassin or a roving gang of drug sniffing youths dispatched by someone watching you from the ninth floor of the building on the corner can nab you before can you can blink. I can't say that I have any elaborate strategy for avoiding danger beyond simply not going to places where danger is present. You have a very long history of attracting detractors, not just here and there, pretty much everyone who has posted on the forum for years. I can't pinpoint exactly why that is but after a certain point you have to start to wonder if it's something you're doing. I just hope that part of your personality does not rub off in your monger adventures, where it can turn into something a lot more serious that a little online feud.Safer sex and ocacional encounter in Monterrey, are better with escorts aecies, if you are not greddy, you will manage very easy, prices goignto your hotel some girls speaks english, diferent agency with 100% real fotos,

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www.lucesazules.com

www.bomboncitasregias.com

www.modelsmonterrey.com

www.edecanesmx.com

This ones are the better as escorts agencyes.

There is Mrs Linda, you call her she bring to you like 8 or 10 girls, you shoose, Prices from$3500 for 3 hours.

Ofocourse going to center, strip bars is danger. 50% to finish fine 50% to have problems, only one Amnesia, ir colorados streepbars are fine, but als little bit expensive.

For me better escorts, Greetings!

[Member #3453]

The amount of information available about you from other mongers and from women you go with is voluminous, akin to a schoolgirl who updates her Facebook every 5 minutes with everything she thinks. You are either oblivious or in denial about this. In a gentleman's disgagreement I'm not going to reveal the specifics of such information, and I don't need you to "validate" it's veracity. I know what I know. Look you're a grown man with decades of experience in Monterrey and I don't question you have your own strategies to deal with the dangers of Monterrey, but the suggestion that you achieve this by keeping low profile is outright laughable. Unlike other mongers I don't really portend to have any street smarts at all, and I know I am entirely defenseless physically. I'm always amused by guys who think they're bullet proof by keeping an eye on their surroundings, but a motorcycle assassin or a roving gang of drug sniffing youths dispatched by someone watching you from the ninth floor of the building on the corner can nab you before can you can blink. I can't say that I have any elaborate strategy for avoiding danger beyond simply not going to places where danger is present. You have a very long history of attracting detractors, not just here and there, pretty much everyone who has posted on the forum for years. I can't pinpoint exactly why that is but after a certain point you have to start to wonder if it's something you're doing. I just hope that part of your personality does not rub off in your monger adventures, where it can turn into something a lot more serious that a little online feud.

I know one thing, my stalkers are engaged in making significantly more effort at ferreting me out compared to any prospective criminals that might be attempting to perpetrate some kind of crime upon me.

I don't understand the need to engage in such childish behavior when there are many more interesting goals and objectives to be achieved.

I stay focused on the objectives at hand, and really don't get this thing about stalking other mongers, and trying to out them, track them down, etc...Some of you guys have really warped objectives.

[Member #3453]

I don't think this is true.No argument from me as to the demographics on the ground in Thailand. I never disputed that.

I say that ISG-Monterrey Section is primarily comprised of Gringos, many of which live in Texas, frequent Nuevo Laredo, and occasionally visit Monterrey, and also comprised of primarily Gringos that fly in occasionally from other States, mostly for work, and usually for just a few days at a time at most. Most never get the opportunity to return. There is an occasional visit to the ISG-Monterrey Section from mongers living in California and Arizona who like to comment on the differences between the two venues.

There are just a few Mexicanos reading the Monterrey section. Listen, Mexicanos don't need the ISG-Monterrey Section. They have prolific, Spanish Speaking blogs to receive mongering information from their own countrymen. They don't turn to ISG-Monterrey Section for pointers. They don't need them.

So, what's left is a certain percentage of those that are engaged in spreading BS, and self promotion. I know their goals and objectives, and I know why they're doing it. They do it for their own profiteering motivations.

Now, those are my opinions. I am sorry if that offends people, makes them angry, etc. But, that's too bad. The truth hurts. The situation is what it is, and I'm simply stating the facts, which they don't like reading, and which causes it to appear that my detractors are somehow disinterested parties with no hidden agenda to promote.

[Exec Talent]

Wow! This is the mother of all pissing contests. Usually when these arise it is because guys can no longer get it up and are looking for something else to occupy their attentions. Case in point is an old fart on the Rio forum who was the master of Google with nothing better to do than pick apart the posts of others. When I started doing it to him, he finally got the hint and quit posting his nonsense.

As someone who recently traveled to Monterrey, it would have been great to have some current information on the stated purpose of this forum (finding women for sex) rather than all these off topic diatribes.

[Member #3453]

Wow! This is the mother of all pissing contests. Usually when these arise it is because guys can no longer get it up and are looking for something else to occupy their attentions. Case in point is an old fart on the Rio forum who was the master of Google with nothing better to do than pick apart the posts of others. When I started doing it to him, he finally got the hint and quit posting his nonsense.

As someone who recently traveled to Monterrey, it would have been great to have some current information on the stated purpose of this forum (finding women for sex) rather than all these off topic diatribes.

What are you talking about? I can name about 16 other sites where the pissing contests are much more egregious.

Ask your questions, and you'll get honest answers. But, you'll also have to read some bogus shit too about it being too dangerous to go the bars in Monterrey.

The reality is, the minute one of us that actually knows about the mongering scene here posts anything of substance, or contradicts the BS hype about the dangers being too great to monger in Mexico, we are slammed by the BSers on here that know nothing more than to recommend that you not visit Monterrey because the bars are just too dangerous, and you will be murdered if you come down.

They offer no information when asked numerous times about their mongering experiences, obviously because they have no experience in the bars, or anywhere else related to mongering. All they want to do is STOP you from mongering. Some of the few disingenuous Mexicanos that post in this section have a deep seeded prejudice against Americans coming to Mexico, and that's quite obvious.

Here's the difference, their objective is to completely persuade you not to come to Mexico, or on the other hand, that you choose to patronize only one type of venue, their's...their's being their own business interests.

My objective in posting is the opposite, knowing that you will be statistically safe, and recommending you patronize your venue of choice, realizing that every monger has different preferences, answering questions of mongers based on my ten years of experience in Monterrey. I don't comment about football, or the price of tortillas, but about things I have direct experience with, not about every aspect of Mexican society.

The pissing contest, as you call it, originates because the experienced in Monterrey, with respect to MONGERING, post opinions contrary to those bogus and hyped warnings about the dangers here being just too great to patronize the mongering scene, or we intervene when there are obvious advertisements promoting someone's business interests with obviously bias recommendations.

Even with the mayhem that exists within Mexican society, I know of NO VISITOR that has ever directly had anything serious ever happen to them in the bars of Monterrey with respect to being the target of cartels, gangs, not even by pissed off drunk low level street thugs, etc...

Nobody can substantiate their bogus claims with examples of foreign "visitors" to Monterrey strip clubs being robbed, beat up, and/or murdered and dumped on the outskirts of the city, not so much as even one incident.

So, what would you, as a Senior Members of this forum, do? We know better first hand, and have numerous reports with which to demonstrate our knowledge and experience here in Monterrey. Shall we let them just go on with their bogus claims about how dangerous it is for "YOU" to visit, all the while knowing that their self serving agendas motivate their comments?

Comon' you want to get your information from them? If we shut up, that's who will be reporting here. Look, why don't you ask them to report their experiences. I've tried!!!

Why don't you see how far you get? I'm running out of breath and patience. You have over 1200 posts, just as I do, obviously an experienced monger from RIO, not a place that is considered the safest of environments. It doesn't take us long to recognize bogus reporting when we see it. You be the judge.

[El Cazador]

The amount of information available about you from other mongers and from women you go with is voluminous, akin to a schoolgirl who updates her Facebook every 5 minutes with everything she thinks. You are either oblivious or in denial about this. In a gentleman's disgagreement I'm not going to reveal the specifics of such information, and I don't need you to "validate" it's veracity. I know what I know. Look you're a grown man with decades of experience in Monterrey and I don't question you have your own strategies to deal with the dangers of Monterrey, but the suggestion that you achieve this by keeping low profile is outright laughable. Unlike other mongers I don't really portend to have any street smarts at all, and I know I am entirely defenseless physically. I'm always amused by guys who think they're bullet proof by keeping an eye on their surroundings, but a motorcycle assassin or a roving gang of drug sniffing youths dispatched by someone watching you from the ninth floor of the building on the corner can nab you before can you can blink. I can't say that I have any elaborate strategy for avoiding danger beyond simply not going to places where danger is present. You have a very long history of attracting detractors, not just here and there, pretty much everyone who has posted on the forum for years. I can't pinpoint exactly why that is but after a certain point you have to start to wonder if it's something you're doing. I just hope that part of your personality does not rub off in your monger adventures, where it can turn into something a lot more serious that a little online feud.I try to make the reports here last year and the sponge cookie man do nothing but try and fight with me and others here. After the sponge guy attack me with all his various personality and multinicks I go to the infinito and ask about him. No more does he carry the cookies and nobody know him there when we first ask the girls. I say he think he is a ladies man here and maybe he look like richard gere or sean connery. One of the girls finally know who we talk about and laugh because he is fat old with a bald spot and wear a fanny pouch like a little girl. They say he only come one every three or four months and for a few days each time. At this point I feel bad for this spongebob guy because I understand he suffer from some mental problem.

I feel bad for his monterrey friend here on the foro as he knows that he say very foolish words and is maybe a fool.

[Larbo]

I try to make the reports here last year and the sponge cookie man do nothing but try and fight with me and others here. After the sponge guy attack me with all his various personality and multinicks I go to the infinito and ask about him. No more does he carry the cookies and nobody know him there when we first ask the girls. I say he think he is a ladies man here and maybe he look like richard gere or sean connery. One of the girls finally know who we talk about and laugh because he is fat old with a bald spot and wear a fanny pouch like a little girl. They say he only come one every three or four months and for a few days each time. At this point I feel bad for this spongebob guy because I understand he suffer from some mental problem.

I feel bad for his monterrey friend here on the foro as he knows that he say very foolish words and is maybe a fool.We are all getting tired of your B. S. You are flat wrong here. I know for a fact you are way off base. People like you that have posted no verifiable mongering reports, and continually do nothing but fear mongering and name calling get no respect from anyone. Just read your report above. You did nothing that even remotely resembles a mongering report. You did nothing but attempt to smear a long time contributer of good reliable information.

You got the wrong guy, or some imaginary guy. No girl in Infinito's would ever remember a guy that "only come once every three or four months and for a few days each time".

Please crawl back under the rock you crawled out of. No one here will miss you.

[Larbo]

I am in Monterrey at least once a month, for at least three days at a time, but usually for a week at a time. I feel no different from a safety perspective now than I did six or eight years ago. I have no experience regarding driving or bussing across the border, as I always fly in. I do have a lot of experience in Zona Centro, mostly early in the evening, as I tend to get my selection done early and retire with her to my hotel.

I will be in Monterrey again next Wed. And Thursday, and flying back Friday. This is my second trip this month. On these shorter trips I usually rely on call-ins of a favorita or two. But, if Mother Nature or some other circumstance should intervene, I will go on down to Infinito's and report on my perception of personal safety both there and the Zona Centro in general. No promises, my favoritas come first, but I will try to do my part to lay this safety crap to rest.

[Member #3453]

YOU? POST MONGERING REPORTS?

HAH! That's priceless!

Oh, noooooo, now I'm going to have to really watch that the conspirators don't single me out from such an accurate description of me. I especially like the fanny pack part...nice touch!

"Male" Stalkers???...whose only reason to visit a strip club is to track me down? Priorities, priorities, priorities...

Hummmm, very suspicious indeed...Lets see, Never visit strip clubs (check)...NEVER visit massage parlors (Check), Never Visit Escorts, and can't report on anything to do with Mongering WHATSOEVER (Check)..Uhmmm???

Naw, could it be "G I D?" (Google it...)

Well, the fanny pack thing isn't accurate at all..It's a "European Man Bag,"...along with my ruby slippers and my "Manzier," or "Bro", depending on whom is having a sale. Bet you don't even get that one, but all the Gringos will.

Well, just tell the waiters that the problem with the cookies is my source. Several years ago, my source was quite generous. But, now my source is hording them these days. I just can't seem to get them like I used to. I had to switch to black liqourice and chocolates. Too bad for the girls and the waiters. The cookies were sooooo popular while they lasted :-))))

[El Cazador]

I don't know, but I'm sure you'll make something up. You always do. You certainly don't know shit about Monterrey or El Infinito.

And with the regard to the Captain1201 screen name, and your use of it to masquerade as Chesterboy, lets clarify that, if for no other reason than to at least let Chesterboy know that you're also fucking with him, and who knows whom else within this forum.

See, guys, I told you the forum was full of bullshitters and trolls. And, Chesterboy, I owe you an apology, assuming you are not also our Mastermind in disguise, but I don't think so. I believe you are a legit poster Chesterboy.

Chesterboy, our Mastermind decided to do an internet search based on the name of my alias. He found that my alias has a screen name on another unrelated website, Captain1201. He used it to masquerade as you, but he made a very amateurish mistake, commenting as you with statements that did not correlate with your prior statements. Some did not really catch on, and neither did I at first. They / we believed you had made in error in your comments, but our Mastermind was just wanting to mess with our forum.

You see, he has this psychotic ego, and when he goes off his meds he can not tolerate that some of us have comments we enjoy posting here, and he can not tolerate a difference of opinion, even if it's made with decorum and politeness. He can not tolerate that we do know our shit. He knows his shit in his section, and he thinks he know his shit on his other websites.

But, NO, he must be in control. Part of that stems from the narcisism that is inherent with some people that are in his same profession, and part of it has to do with his being " very active" in a few other quasi legitimate, but relatively insignificant websites.

What our Mastermind does not know is you are closer to being accurate with your hunches concerning the drug cartels than you may have thought, only different. Well, not really totally accurate, but close. You see, my alias is well known in my community. He is some kind of Federal Agent or something, and he travels to Mexico regularly. I don't know the particulars, but I can only assume he travels on official business. He undoubtedly has ties to the drug cartels, but not the type you suspected, but ties none the less. So, you were lunging into a measure of the truth with respect to my alias anyway.

Hey, Mr. Mastermind Stalker, this game is really FUN, FUN, FUN. Maybe I should visit you at your websites, using my alias, maybe make a few more of them up myself like you have, maybe publish the links here so all our members can enjoy your commentary over there, and maybe we can all offer a contrary opinion to your drivel over there. Wouldn't that be fun!.)

You know, Mr. Mastermind Stalker, I was going to just ignore you, but it is kind of fun to fuck with you now. I may still grow bored with your amateurish assumptions, and your unethical behavior. It does kind of [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off that you are such a slug that you would try to out me in the forum, even if it doesn't really effect me. But, it could REALLY, REALLY effect you. I'm sure my alias has some close personal ties to some really nice Mexican Drug Agents himself. Maybe I'll drop a dime, and let Randy know just exactly who is posting his wife's name in the forum..) Wouldn't that be interesting? You need to see a professional doctor.

[El Cazador]

No worry El Cabron 007. She's a he. He can visit El Infinito and not worry about it. Besides, all that he posts about Monterrey, and about "me," is bogus bullshit. So, no matter what he makes up to post, there are never any real details, which even further reveals he is not knowledgeable about Monterrey, or about me. He certainly doesn't know anything about El Infinito or he would have known that simple fact you so eloquently pointed out El Cabron. WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWED.

Here is what has been going on everyone. The poster that likes masquerading as a female believes he knows "ME." He believes he can fuck me in the forum by posting with screen names that he believes relate to my true identity.

At first, I was concerned that he was posting the name I've always used as an alias in Monterrey, and frankly, all over the world. After all, I've been meeting people in Monterrey, and in other venues, using my alias for years. I remember when I first used the screen name. I just picked the name from the past. Then, I just stuck with it. It was easy to remember.

I never actually dreamed that my alias would ever be revealed in the forum. Frankly, I always used my alias because I feared the girls, and what they might try. I always expected it of the girls. I am, frankly, shocked that a fellow monger would stoop so low. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

But, the reality is, what's in a name, verdad? That's the purpose of an alias. When you've been at this as long as I have, you learn to take precautions. But, that isn't how my stalker got the name of the alias. He got the name of the alias directly from me via internet correspondence, and he has spread it around to a very few number of our other detractors, most of which do not respect the opinions of others, and just can't behave with any proper cyber etiquette.

He wouldn't know me if I walked up behind him and tapped him on the shoulder, or worse. The poster that likes masquerading as a women in the forum, using names that relate to my alias, etc. Lets just say he is inextricably linked now to what is going on in the life of my alias by his own hand. Lets just say suspicion upon the actual perpetrators has been diverted, and the more our Mastermind involves himself with the evidence, the deeper he implicates himself in life's consequences outside this forum.

But, he has caused me to change my alias. I have now adopted a new alias, mostly because I don't want to be inextricably linked to a real person whose real life might cost me my own freedom through association.

I've stayed silent long enough. He thinks he's some kind of "Mastermind." But, were I him, I would think twice about linking myself to a real person I know nothing about. Notice, I said "person, ' and not "name." What's in a name?

I know my nemesis' name, I know his personal details, I know who he freelances with, I know his legitimate cyberlife, I know his profession. I don't desire to "spar" with him in the "ring," or react to his taunting. That's why I have ignored him up to now.

Enough said, back to the purpose of the forum, and lets stop the nonsense, trying to fuck each other just because our egos can't tolerate the opinions of others, or their contribution within this forum.I'm serious the fact you need profesional help. One of the girls in infinito say to us that sometime the girls see you talking when nobody else around you. That maybe you talk with one of you various personality when you alone at the table.

[El Cazador]

I am in Monterrey at least once a month, for at least three days at a time, but usually for a week at a time. I feel no different from a safety perspective now than I did six or eight years ago. I have no experience regarding driving or bussing across the border, as I always fly in. I do have a lot of experience in Zona Centro, mostly early in the evening, as I tend to get my selection done early and retire with her to my hotel.

I will be in Monterrey again next Wed. And Thursday, and flying back Friday. This is my second trip this month. On these shorter trips I usually rely on call-ins of a favorita or two. But, if Mother Nature or some other circumstance should intervene, I will go on down to Infinito's and report on my perception of personal safety both there and the Zona Centro in general. No promises, my favoritas come first, but I will try to do my part to lay this safety crap to rest. Monterrreydude.

Please tell the foro you opinion on monterrey right now as it compare six years ago. Please tell the foro if I am not right when I explain that the many people and business owner have been made the extortion by the gangs. Please tell the foro if I am wrong with my opinion about the barrio antiguo and why many of the clubs close down because the do not pay the protection money. Please tell the foro if I am wrong when I say do not go to el centro as a gringo alone and get drunk at any time now day or night. Please tell the foro if I am wrong when I say that everyone live here know sombody that sufrir the violence because of the gangs.

Please tell the foro if I am wrong for what I report.

Please tell the foro if I am BS.

Tell me that my reports are BS and I will go away never to make the post here again. Then only the spongeguy with all his various personality and multinicks will be here.

[Member #3453]

I'm serious the fact you need profesional help. One of the girls in infinito say to us that sometime the girls see you talking when nobody else around you. That maybe you talk with one of you various personality when you alone at the table.Yeah, I do. Need to be seen by a professional that is...

Know of a good accountant in Monterrey? me recommenda?

Funny, the girls say I "sit" in El Infinito, uhhhh? Not that I really believe you have even been there. But, for the sake of argument...I guess you mustered some courage to go down in the lion's den. I thought you said it was just toooooooo dangerous for any sane person to go there? Uhmmm, more BS...

I no longer spend considerable amounts of time in El Infinito anyway...actually, almost no time. I walk through, and out. I simply have no interest in spending much time in these kinds of joints these days. I am there for one purpose, and one purpose only. I am looking for girls I can see on the side, away from their jobs, and really couldn't care less about sitting with them, talking to them at their tables, groping at them from the stage, etc...

I am not even satisfied groping them in the privados. I am a hardened monger, and have graduated to the hard stuff, the top end...the sitting in a cum infested cubicle doesn't particularly appeal to me much any more...

But, of course, I understand the attraction for most that like partaking in the privados. It's just that I am a hard core monger these days, and am only satisfied with my own control of all scenarios. That's why you won't often find me lingering in the bars. I don't have to linger. I have endless time to spend working the girls individually on a very gradual basis, outside the clubs now. Oh, sure, I find them initially in the clubs. But, I don't waste my time on them there, throwing money at them there.

Furthermore, I do not stalk my fellow mongers, nor am I obsessed with their activities, nor do I strive to disclose their personal details to the world in order to get off like some people I know.

[Member #3453]

I am in Monterrey at least once a month, for at least three days at a time, but usually for a week at a time. I feel no different from a safety perspective now than I did six or eight years ago. I have no experience regarding driving or bussing across the border, as I always fly in. I do have a lot of experience in Zona Centro, mostly early in the evening, as I tend to get my selection done early and retire with her to my hotel.

I will be in Monterrey again next Wed. And Thursday, and flying back Friday. This is my second trip this month. On these shorter trips I usually rely on call-ins of a favorita or two. But, if Mother Nature or some other circumstance should intervene, I will go on down to Infinito's and report on my perception of personal safety both there and the Zona Centro in general. No promises, my favoritas come first, but I will try to do my part to lay this safety crap to rest.

Larbo is totally and completely correct. But, Larbo, he's just going to think we are one in the same guy. We know differently, but he has an agenda to discredit anybody that comments with any actual knowledge about the mongering scene in Monterrey.

I keep telling everyone he has a different kind of agenda. Seriously, don't say too much, report in generalities, or make up some stuff like names, and places, etc...to protect the "innocent."

He has but one agenda with respect to mongers, and we are all in his sights. Just a word to the wise...

[MexCanuck]

I don't know what the fuss is about. I think that unspongebob's reports are accurate for the most part.

I come to Mty for 7-10 days every month for the past 12 years or so. I first started mongering by getting the cabs to take me where they thought the most action was at. While he took me to Casa Blanca which is an interesting place especially 6. 12 years ago. Now it's pretty quiet. Now I spent at least 2 or 3 times a visit at El infinito or Tangalay. I may be a bit more cautious than before but I have not slowed down. I go a lot of the different SC's, a few MP's and a few dance clubs. Unlike Larbo, I do not spend much time in Centro but more along Madero and Colon area and the area around infinito but have seen little difference from years ago. I have never had any problems and I go out every nite unless I need some catch up sleep.

Does any know the link for the map with the location of most of the MP's and SC's. There was one which is a little outdated but still pretty good for a lot of the better clubs. I have some friends going to Mty and I think that the easiest for them to find their way around.

[Member #3453]

Monterrreydude.

Please tell the foro you opinion on monterrey right now as it compare six years ago. Please tell the foro if I am not right when I explain that the many people and business owner have been made the extortion by the gangs. Please tell the foro if I am wrong with my opinion about the barrio antiguo and why many of the clubs close down because the do not pay the protection money. Please tell the foro if I am wrong when I say do not go to el centro as a gringo alone and get drunk at any time now day or night. Please tell the foro if I am wrong when I say that everyone live here know sombody that sufrir the violence because of the gangs.

Please tell the foro if I am wrong for what I report.

Please tell the foro if I am BS.

Tell me that my reports are BS and I will go away never to make the post here again. Then only the spongeguy with all his various personality and multinicks will be here. Nobody has disputed that Mexico has problems. When we first started this discussion, well over a year and a half ago, things had not escalated to the point of there being the dangers there are now to the average Mexicano living in Mexican culture and society.

It isn't a matter of what might be dangerous for the average Mexicano. You think that I wrote things about your culture to insult you? I wrote them to illustrate that for the average Mexicano living in Monterrey the dangers are much more acute than for the average visitor.

The average visitor that spends a few days doesn't feel, and will NEVER feel the effects of your dangerous culture upon you and your amigos.

This cuts to the heart of my comments to DadFun555 about who consults the ISG Monterrey section for advice. It was not historically Mexicanos that consulted ISG over the last ten years, it was Gringos, and visitors from other parts of the world. It was not primarily Mexicanos. It is still not primarily Mexicanos by a huge margin.

The average visitor that chooses to visit El Infinito, or one of the other bars, should not be warned that it will be "LIKELY" that they will be victimized by the present condition in Mexican society. It simply isn't true. As a visitor of only a few days to Monterrey, which most of them are, does NOT have a statistical likelihood that they will be victimized by the condition of your culture and society.

You're used to commenting to an audience of primarily Mexican Nationals on Mexican blogs concerning Mexican issues, dangers, etc. The members that consult with ISG-Monterrey are by an overwhelming majority Gringos from the US, or other Visitors to Monterrey from other foreign countries.

Addressing them as you do, under the same assumption as you address your countrymen on a Mexican blog or website, the content and validity of your commentary is totally lost. But, more importantly, your commentary is NOT accurate for the majority of readers, not because it isn't true for Mexicanos living in Monterrey, but because it isn't true for foreign visitors to Monterrey.

A readership pool comprised of potential "Visitors" to Monterrey, and not of Mexican Nationals living through the dangers in Monterrey, are two entirely different audiences with two entirely different concerns, and two entirely different sets of vulnerabilities.

If you want to offer a service to the mongering community, offer suggestions on how to be a little more careful while they're here, acknowledging that they are in Monterrey under an entirely different scenario than the average Mexicano that lives here. Give them some usable advice to help them have a nice time, rather than fear mongering advice.

Most of the guys coming to Monterrey are here to work, they're here only for a few days, then they're off back to where they came from. The dangers for them are just not quantifiable like they are for your amigos on the other Mexican blogs and local Mexican, Spanish speaking, websites you undoubtedly comment upon.

You're warning an audience whose potential for being victimized is almost non-existent. People can warn others to watch out, be a little more careful, etc. And that's wise advice. But, to completely recommend that nobody visit Mexico, and to base their likelihood for being victimized upon the same likelihood that Native Regios might possibly experience, is a misguided objective at the least, and a complete and total misrepresentation and dis-service to the mongering community on the ISG-Monterrey Section at the most.

[Dad Fun 555]

I say that ISG-Monterrey Section is primarily comprised of Gringos, many of which live in Texas, frequent Nuevo Laredo, and occasionally visit Monterrey, and also comprised of primarily Gringos that fly in occasionally from other States, mostly for work, and usually for just a few days at a time at most. Most never get the opportunity to return. There is an occasional visit to the ISG-Monterrey Section from mongers living in California and Arizona who like to comment on the differences between the two venues.I still don't believe this is true. If you look at the posting histories of others who post in Monterrey, there is nothing to indicate they are from US. If you have evidence otherwise, I would be interested. I would like to see numbers supporting your assertion. Many of them have posting history from places far away and they are in Monterrey on business, I see no evidence this is a US centric site (when I say "site", I mean the whole thing. Not just the Monterrey topic). I doubt anybody who lives in Texas and goes to Nuevo Laredo goes to Monterrey. Maybe back in 2009 or so but not anymore due to the violence. I stand by assertion this is international site and not US centric.

[Dad Fun 555]

Well, the fanny pack thing isn't accurate at all..It's a "European Man Bag,"...along with my ruby slippers and my "Manzier," or "Bro", depending on whom is having a sale. Bet you don't even get that one, but all the Gringos will.Right. Everybody outside of the states is just a giant bunch of uncultured ignoramuses who have never heard of Seinfeld. On the reports, I guess your damned if you do, damned if you don't. SpongeBob says Monterrey is too dangerous to post detailed reports. If you post reports you are a naive fool who doesn't know what dangers await you from narcoterrorists lurking in the shadows. If you don't post reports you are an alter ego of one of SpongeBob's numerous nemeses over the past decade and you don't actually monger in Monterrey.

I heard "G" girl from "I" club just arrived back into town after lengthy absence. Try as she may I wouldn't recommend letting her barebacking you. Insist on wrapping it. Trust me, you don't want to catch SpongeBob disease.

[MonterreyDude]

I will totally agree with el Cazador to the fact that the Monterrey of today is nowhere close to the Monterrey of not just 6 years, make it 3.

In many of his points el Cazador is dead on, specially Barrio Antiguo that simply just died from one day to another and it's lost with no possibility of damage control or nothing.

Yes, it has become a very violent city, but to mongers coming to Monterrey for a couple of days. They might not even notice. Not even if they go to the Madero-Villagran area, where Pax Romana, peace by the force, has been imposed.

That is a hard fact. When you are not involved in the day by day matters of the city, you just won't notice.

But anyway, Monterrey is still far away from the likes of Tijuana or Nuevo Laredo where mongers are hasseled 24/7 by police or dangers really lurk in every shadow of the streets.
I've read the threads and I've talked to mongers and are those cities really dangerous to mongers...


Monterrreydude.

Please tell the foro you opinion on monterrey right now as it compare six years ago. Please tell the foro if I am not right when I explain that the many people and business owner have been made the extortion by the gangs. Please tell the foro if I am wrong with my opinion about the barrio antiguo and why many of the clubs close down because the do not pay the protection money. Please tell the foro if I am wrong when I say do not go to el centro as a gringo alone and get drunk at any time now day or night. Please tell the foro if I am wrong when I say that everyone live here know sombody that sufrir the violence because of the gangs.

Please tell the foro if I am wrong for what I report.

Please tell the foro if I am BS.

Tell me that my reports are BS and I will go away never to make the post here again. Then only the spongeguy with all his various personality and multinicks will be here.

[Member #3453]

I still don't believe this is true

ISG-Monterrey was the subject of our discussion, not the entire world. Believe whatever you want to...makes no difference to me what you believe.

I can tell you that of the guys that actually do come to Monterrey, I have personally met and assisted large numbers of them on the ground here. So, of the guys that actually do make it Monterrey, and contact me for assistance, an overwhelming number of them have been Gringos.

Like I said, what Mexicano needs ISG-Monterrey?

[Member #3453]

SpongeBob says Monterrey is too dangerous to post detailed reports

Oh, very good, you got the Seinfeld reference...Mexicanos do not generally appreciate the decidedly American cultural humor of Seinfeld. I've found that most Mexicanos are unfamliar with Seinfeld, and that's because the humor of Seinfeld is lost on them. It has not been terribly popular with the working classes. They don't really get where we Gringos are coming from sometimes, and the humor isn't Mexican humor.

That's why I said that he would not get it, not because he couldn't understand it, but more because it was quite likely that he would not relate to the inside jokes unless he actively engaged in watching the show, which most working class Mexicanos do NOT. Maybe it's something lost in the translation. Because, most people in Monterrey do not speak English, and the show, when it is aired in Monterrey, is sometimes, and sometime not, translated into Spanish. Something is really lost in translation with respect to jokes.

And, you're putting words in my mouth...To reiterate,

I did not say that Monterrey is too dangerous to post reports. I said there are too many assholes on ISG for members to report too many details.

I recommended that members remain relatively aloof about their activities, lest they be stalked, and attempts made to out them. Your comments, goals, and objectives, where I'm concerned, prove my point in spades...

And, while you might believe you're an island yourself, and that somehow your own comments won't reveal details about your own circumstances, the more you comment, unless you are very careful, the closer you come to your own activities being revealed by some future assholes that have some unprovoked axe to grind against you some day.

Unfortunately, assumptions made by you concerning my own activities are based on very ancient history, obtained from informants that are recollecting the distant past, their representing my past exploits at El Infinito as my current range of activities. And, to a certain extent, your comments already have revealed certain suspicions I have about your actual identity that might just surprise you.

After 10 years, you can rest assured I have spies everywhere in the bars of Monterrey, even El Infinito. So, you see, while you're warning me about the "dangers" of my supposed visibility, you're are equally visible, and equally obvious to my own spies that anticipate you in advance. How easy it is to feed them full of unadulterated BS when someone comes looking for the "Cookie Man."

They, meaning your informants, long to delight their taste buds, and they can't forget me, no matter how hard they try. Their loyalty is to me. Well, someday soon, I guess I should bring them some delectable treats in compensation. Unfortunately, my source for what they crave no longer exists. They will be very disappointed indeed. It's Licorice and chocolates for now. But, I do have another delectable treat that is exclusively my own, something that I have never disclosed here, and will never disclose...and you know why.

Unfortunately for you, and your obvious agenda, I will never disclose my present day activities, and haven't done so in quite a long, long time on ISG, on account of what I call the ASSHOLE factor. So, keep on guessing...

But, when ISG members wonder why we have such a pissing contest here in the ISG-Monterrey, and why there is very little actually posted about our exploits, they will understand what limits our being candid with details. Some on here can not have a friendly disagreement of philosophies without making it personal.

[El Cazador]

I will totally agree with el Cazador to the fact that the Monterrey of today is nowhere close to the Monterrey of not just 6 years, make it 3.

In many of his points el Cazador is dead on, specially Barrio Antiguo that simply just died from one day to another and it's lost with no possibility of damage control or nothing.

Yes, it has become a very violent city, but to mongers coming to Monterrey for a couple of days. They might not even notice. Not even if they go to the Madero-Villagran area, where Pax Romana, peace by the force, has been imposed.

That is a hard fact. When you are not involved in the day by day matters of the city, you just won't notice.

But anyway, Monterrey is still far away from the likes of Tijuana or Nuevo Laredo where mongers are hasseled 24/7 by police or dangers really lurk in every shadow of the streets.

I've read the threads and I've talked to mongers and are those cities really dangerous to mongers. Is funny when the unspongebob make the fight with me and others last year with his multiknicks challenging the dangers in monterrey when you and I who live here know better. Sometimes I read this foolish gringo think he know more about monterrey that even you. It annoy me and maybe you as this foolish gringo does not know anyone here in monterey to make such foolish words. He sure does not know a bar owner that have the good club in barrio antiguo that has to leave monterrey last year for texas after he not pay the cartel and they beat one of his employees and treaten his family and kidnapp the son. Or a owner of a liqour store who must sell the business in santa catarina when he is beaten by the cartel. Or my friends friend who is beaten in the daytime after he not pay the cartel and he spend three week in the hospital and lose half the eye, ear and have the broken bones and almost lose the life. No, this foolish gringo only open his mouth and know everything when he should listen than talk. He rather argue with everyone that don't agree with him and attack with all his multiknicks.

I don't say this last year but the girls at the infinito all laugh for long time when I say the spongebob cookie man maybe look like richard gere or sean connery as he brag on this foro how all the girls love him.

The say he appear more like the homer simpson.

[El Cazador]

Oh, very good, you got the Seinfeld reference. Mexicanos do not generally appreciate the decidedly American cultural humor of Seinfeld. I've found that most Mexicanos are unfamliar with Seinfeld, and that's because the humor of Seinfeld is lost on them. It has not been terribly popular with the working classes. They don't really get where we Gringos are coming from sometimes, and the humor isn't Mexican humor.

That's why I said that he would not get it, not because he couldn't understand it, but more because it was quite likely that he would not relate to the inside jokes unless he actively engaged in watching the show, which most working class Mexicanos do NOT. Maybe it's something lost in the translation. Because, most people in Monterrey do not speak English, and the show, when it is aired in Monterrey, is sometimes, and sometime not, translated into Spanish. Something is really lost in translation with respect to jokes.

And, you're putting words in my mouth. To reiterate,

I did not say that Monterrey is too dangerous to post reports. I said there are too many assholes on ISG for members to report too many details.

I recommended that members remain relatively aloof about their activities, lest they be stalked, and attempts made to out them. Your comments, goals, and objectives, where I'm concerned, prove my point in spades.

And, while you might believe you're an island yourself, and that somehow your own comments won't reveal details about your own circumstances, the more you comment, unless you are very careful, the closer you come to your own activities being revealed by some future assholes that have some unprovoked axe to grind against you some day.

Unfortunately, assumptions made by you concerning my own activities are based on very ancient history, obtained from informants that are recollecting the distant past, their representing my past exploits at El Infinito as my current range of activities. And, to a certain extent, your comments already have revealed certain suspicions I have about your actual identity that might just surprise you.

After 10 years, you can rest assured I have spies everywhere in the bars of Monterrey, even El Infinito. So, you see, while you're warning me about the "dangers" of my supposed visibility, you're are equally visible, and equally obvious to my own spies that anticipate you in advance. How easy it is to feed them full of unadulterated BS when someone comes looking for the "Cookie Man."

They, meaning your informants, long to delight their taste buds, and they can't forget me, no matter how hard they try. Their loyalty is to me. Well, someday soon, I guess I should bring them some delectable treats in compensation. Unfortunately, my source for what they crave no longer exists. They will be very disappointed indeed. It's Licorice and chocolates for now. But, I do have another delectable treat that is exclusively my own, something that I have never disclosed here, and will never disclose. And you know why.

Unfortunately for you, and your obvious agenda, I will never disclose my present day activities, and haven't done so in quite a long, long time on ISG, on account of what I call the ASSHOLE factor. So, keep on guessing.

But, when ISG members wonder why we have such a pissing contest here in the ISG-Monterrey, and why there is very little actually posted about our exploits, they will understand what limits our being candid with details. Some on here can not have a friendly disagreement of philosophies without making it personal.You say that you are to be stalked and that you have spies.

And that you have suspicions of sombodys actual identity?

And that you have informants with your spies?

And you give your spies and informants chocolates and licorice for compensation?

All this drama and stalking and creating multinicks in your life for this monterrey sex foro? Are you for real?

You need help with the voices in your head. You have serious problems that need more than medicine.

[MexCanuck]

Does anyone have the link to the map of the MP's, SC's and some of the hotels that I think that Amigomio once posted. I remember it as a google map but I haven't used it for a while and seem to have lost the link. Can anyone help.

[Bbond]

Jesus fooking Christo. This pissing contest has gone way beyond the purpose of this forum. Tell us where the girls are, tell us where to find the best bang for the buck. Keep the posts on topic or STFU. We read enough in the news media to form our own opinions about the safety, or lack there of. Girls man, girls, that's why we go, so let's stick to that, OK? I feel for those that go and spend the amounts they would spend in the US, but it is what it is, and let it be that. Some guys venture with an almost unlimited budget, it is what it is. Personally I can't see paying more than 400 pesos for good pussy, and believe me, there are many, many, girls you can get for that. If a guy wants to spend more it's his option, fine go for it. But tell the truth, tell us where it's at. There will always be the high rollers that ruin it for everyone else, nothing you can do about that, it is what it is. I see truckers that come to Nuevo Laredo with hundreds or even thousands to spend in a weekend, girls flock to them. [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off? Yes, but what can I do? It is what it is and that's what it is.

[Member #3453]

Tell us where the girls are, tell us where to find the best bang for the buck. Keep the posts on topic or STFU.Am in town now. But, you'd have to be nuts to comment about what you're up to. It is clear that some have no interest in finding girls. They just want to fuck with other people. That's out of bounce. I guess they're accomplishing what he says they're up to. I'll just continue to lurk. Hope I haven't said too much already.

[Larbo]

Am in town now. But, you'd have to be nuts to comment about what you're up to. It is clear that some have no interest in finding girls. They just want to fuck with other people. That's out of bounce. I guess they're accomplishing what he says they're up to. I'll just continue to lurk. Hope I haven't said too much already.My sentiments exactly. A lot of us have been in far more dangerous places than Monterrey, and know how to take precautions. A little warning is appreciated, but don't start telling me about some Barrio Antigua, 'cause all I care about is the girls.

What seems to be dangerous in Monterrey is saying too much about yourself or your activities on this site.

[Member #3453]

My sentiments exactly. A lot of us have been in far more dangerous places than Monterrey, and know how to take precautions. A little warning is appreciated, but don't start telling me about some Barrio Antigua, 'cause all I care about is the girls.

What seems to be dangerous in Monterrey is saying too much about yourself or your activities on this site.Any monger that fucks up another monger in a public forum should be hunted down and castrated. I have seen some guys get their asses kicked just for showing photos of monger A's girls that were posted on a sex site and shown around the bars by Monger B.

The fucking jerk mongers show photos all around the bar asking if anyone knows this girl or that girl. They don't give a shit about the fallout to Monger A. Is it any wonder that we have fewer and fewer photos being posted in the forums?

Anybody with half a brain knows how many stupid mother fuckers are out there with no regard for anybody but themselves. Assholes doing that shit effects us all. That shit and/or anything remotely like it should be a capital offense.

[Bbond]

Unless a girl gives specific permission to post her photo it should not be posted. The reasons are what has been said, someone will show it to her or someone she knows.

I recently had a guy, that is somewhat jealous of some of the girls I have, tell some of the girls that I have not been with, that I post girls photos on the internet. Total BS, one girl finally told me that was why she would never go with me, she did not want photos the internet. Of course I do not do that. I confronted the guy and told him to show me, even one pic, of any girl, that I have ever posted. Can't be done, I don't do that.

[Le Bogosse]

Nobody has disputed that Mexico has problems. When we first started this discussion, well over a year and a half ago, things had not escalated to the point of there being the dangers there are now to the average Mexicano living in Mexican culture and society.

It isn't a matter of what might be dangerous for the average Mexicano. You think that I wrote things about your culture to insult you? I wrote them to illustrate that for the average Mexicano living in Monterrey the dangers are much more acute than for the average visitor.

The average visitor that spends a few days doesn't feel, and will NEVER feel the effects of your dangerous culture upon you and your amigos.

This cuts to the heart of my comments to DadFun555 about who consults the ISG Monterrey section for advice. It was not historically Mexicanos that consulted ISG over the last ten years, it was Gringos, and visitors from other parts of the world. It was not primarily Mexicanos. It is still not primarily Mexicanos by a huge margin.

The average visitor that chooses to visit El Infinito, or one of the other bars, should not be warned that it will be "LIKELY" that they will be victimized by the present condition in Mexican society. It simply isn't true. As a visitor of only a few days to Monterrey, which most of them are, does NOT have a statistical likelihood that they will be victimized by the condition of your culture and society.

You're used to commenting to an audience of primarily Mexican Nationals on Mexican blogs concerning Mexican issues, dangers, etc. The members that consult with ISG-Monterrey are by an overwhelming majority Gringos from the US, or other Visitors to Monterrey from other foreign countries.

Addressing them as you do, under the same assumption as you address your countrymen on a Mexican blog or website, the content and validity of your commentary is totally lost. But, more importantly, your commentary is NOT accurate for the majority of readers, not because it isn't true for Mexicanos living in Monterrey, but because it isn't true for foreign visitors to Monterrey.

A readership pool comprised of potential "Visitors" to Monterrey, and not of Mexican Nationals living through the dangers in Monterrey, are two entirely different audiences with two entirely different concerns, and two entirely different sets of vulnerabilities.

If you want to offer a service to the mongering community, offer suggestions on how to be a little more careful while they're here, acknowledging that they are in Monterrey under an entirely different scenario than the average Mexicano that lives here. Give them some usable advice to help them have a nice time, rather than fear mongering advice.

Most of the guys coming to Monterrey are here to work, they're here only for a few days, then they're off back to where they came from. The dangers for them are just not quantifiable like they are for your amigos on the other Mexican blogs and local Mexican, Spanish speaking, websites you undoubtedly comment upon.

You're warning an audience whose potential for being victimized is almost non-existent. People can warn others to watch out, be a little more careful, etc. And that's wise advice. But, to completely recommend that nobody visit Mexico, and to base their likelihood for being victimized upon the same likelihood that Native Regios might possibly experience, is a misguided objective at the least, and a complete and total misrepresentation and dis-service to the mongering community on the ISG-Monterrey Section at the most.So, how much money should I bring to have a nice girl? I am glad I am to visiting the bar NOT during a QUINCENA. El Infinito seems to be the right choice. Would you recommend a girl or two?

Thanks!

[Member #3453]

Unless a girl gives specific permission to post her photo it should not be posted. The reasons are what has been said, someone will show it to her or someone she knows.

I recently had a guy, that is somewhat jealous of some of the girls I have, tell some of the girls that I have not been with, that I post girls photos on the internet. Total BS, one girl finally told me that was why she would never go with me, she did not want photos the internet. Of course I do not do that. I confronted the guy and told him to show me, even one pic, of any girl, that I have ever posted. Can't be done, I don't do that.Most of what I see is just stupid mongers having no common sense, and innocently screwing up other mongers with their totally innocent disregard for consequences. What is going on here in this section lately is some kind of deliberate retribution thing at the expense of the victim of it, along with all the rest of us, and that shouldn't be going on either. Get even-ism motivates this supposed stalking crap, and it effects our not having any reports. It has caused everyone on here to fear posting anything at all, much less photos.

[Member #3453]

My sentiments exactly. A lot of us have been in far more dangerous places than Monterrey, and know how to take precautions. A little warning is appreciated, but don't start telling me about some Barrio Antigua, 'cause all I care about is the girls.

What seems to be dangerous in Monterrey is saying too much about yourself or your activities on this site.I agree, what relevance does Bario Antigua, or this store owner's problems and that store owner's problems have to anything. Mongers are sex tourists, not businessmen in the community. Doesn't make sense.

[Diehard88]

Greetings,

I may visit Monterrey next week.

I see that a political discussion took over this section.

Can anyone provide me some references?

I'll be staying during the weekend.

Thanks

[Carlos Perez]

I have been coming to Monterrey for eight years as I work for an American company. Even though I don't speak much Spanish, my job is to make my clients feel comfortable with Mexico, however strange that may seem.

On the advice of an ISG member here, I took the time to stop by Infinito, the I-place and look for a g-girl. Now I don't want to catch unspongebob disease so I made sure to bring plenty of condoms with me. Now since this whole forum seems to resolve around unspongebob, I asked one of the girls if she has seen him; a fat, old guy with a bald spot that looks like Homer Simpson. I want to see what all the fuss is about here on this forum. Unfortunately, she doesn't know who Homer Simpson is and, therefore, does not know who I am talking about. But then I remeber the cookies and she now knows who I am talking about. She confims the description of the famous unspongebob (fat, old with a bald spot) but that he no longer brings in cookies but chocolates. The cheap kind. The type one buys at the dollar store or Waldos. She says that most of the girls just throw them away or kindly rejects him when he insists upon giving them away. She also confirms that he only comes in once every three months or so and she last saw him around March.

So with no luck meeting the unspongebob I ask about a g-girl. No luck there either but she quickly counters with herself, whom she refers to in the third person as p-girl. Since I am kinda in a rush, I salida this girl for 1000 pesos for two hours. $350 pesos to the house and p-girl performs like a champ. BBJ, k-9, MISH, RIM and CIM. Two pops and two hours later, p-girl has now become my new favorita at the I-place.

Upon our re-arrival at the I-place, I notice that there are more waiters there than before. Now I wonder to myself if these are informants or spies as many are eating chocolates and licorice. I kiss goodbye p-girl and quickly make my exit and think to myself that maybe its no longer a good idea to come here anymore as I am married. Spies, stalkers, informants. I really don't need this drama in my life as I'm just looking for sex.

More to follow.

[Larbo]

Does anyone have the link to the map of the MP's, SC's and some of the hotels that I think that Amigomio once posted. I remember it as a google map but I haven't used it for a while and seem to have lost the link. Can anyone help.Reports of distinction, Monterreydude #1094.

Please be advised that El Infi has moved. See an earlier post of mine in the strip clubs section.

[MonterreyDude]

Be glad to help you out.

Weekends to to be a little slow. Also depends if you are in for SCs, MPs or in calls.

What will your preferences be?


Greetings,

I may visit Monterrey next week.

I see that a political discussion took over this section.

Can anyone provide me some references?

I'll be staying during the weekend.

Thanks

[Bbond]

I have been coming to Monterrey for eight years as I work for an American company.Kind of contradicts your 1st post, don't it? Why, in the name of sanity, do you play these STUPID games?

[MexCanuck]

Reports of distinction, Monterreydude #1094.

Please be advised that El Infi has moved. See an earlier post of mine in the strip clubs section.

Thanks Larbo but I could not open the link. I do not have much computer savvy so I may be dpoing something wrong but I could not get it to open. I used to go to El Infi a few times when it was on Madero but noticed it was closed the last time I came. Thanks the input.

My friends are coming to Mty for the week of June 20th so any input would be appricated. I can tell them the area of Infinito but it's mostly the MP's I'm not familiar with as far as directions go.

[MexCanuck]

I found the map that Monterreydude did some time back and for the new comers to Mty, here's the link http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...8836&z=14&om=0

Generally it still pretty good except a few places have closed, a few have moved and a few have just changed names.

Have fun.

[MonterreyDude]

Much shorter this way.

http://bit.ly/lN7MwT

Can you help out by pointing out some of the places that closed, moved or change their names?
It is a titanic job and not enought time to do it.




I found the map that Monterreydude did some time back and for the new comers to Mty, here's the link.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...8836&z=14&om=0

Generally it still pretty good except a few places have closed, a few have moved and a few have just changed names.

Have fun.

[Larbo]

Much shorter this way.

http://bit.ly/lN7MwT

Can you help out by pointing out some of the places that closed, moved or change their names?

It is a titanic job and not enought time to do it.Took a stroll down reforma Sunday, and discovered the new location of El Infi. It is on the west side of Nervo, between Reforma and Madero.

It is a much larger place with one large central stage, high ceilings, and seating all around the stage. Very similar layout to Tangalay. I did not check out the privados. It is the same management with most of the same girls, plus about ten more of varying sizes and shapes. A lot more customers, especially for a Sunday.

[MonterreyDude]

Done that way days ago, the first time you mentioned the new address.

Anything else that you can add or change on the map?
Like I mentioned... to hard to keep up with all changes.



Took a stroll down reforma Sunday, and discovered the new location of El Infi. It is on the west side of Nervo, between Reforma and Madero.

It is a much larger place with one large central stage, high ceilings, and seating all around the stage. Very similar layout to Tangalay. I did not check out the privados. It is the same management with most of the same girls, plus about ten more of varying sizes and shapes. A lot more customers, especially for a Sunday.

[Diehard88]

Be glad to help you out.

Weekends to to be a little slow. Also depends if you are in for SCs, MPs or in calls.

What will your preferences be? I'm looking for an incall and BBBJ.

I'm interested in Melody of Luces Azules.

Do they do incalls? Their website isn't clear.

I don't know the area, but I speak Spanish, so that's not a problem.

I'll be arriving there the other Saturday (June 25).

Thanks!

[ErickMorsa]

I'm looking for an incall and BBBJ.

I'm interested in Melody of Luces Azules.

Do they do incalls? Their website isn't clear.

I don't know the area, but I speak Spanish, so that's not a problem.

I'll be arriving there the other Saturday (June 25).

Thanks! Try also this girl. http://www.regioscorts.com/escorts_mty_elena.php She speaks english and is really harcore.

[Diehard88]

Try also this girl.

http://www.regioscorts.com/escorts_mty_elena.php

She speaks english and is really harcore. Gracias amigo.

Where should I stay in Monterrey?

Any area or hotel I should avoid?

And hotels that allow "visitors"?

[Diehard88]

Another question: should I really visit this El Infinito place?

What's the deal there?

Any reviews?

Couldn't find one here.

Thanks

[MonterreyDude]

Melody will go to your hotel.

But it depends a lot where you are staying.


I'm looking for an incall and BBBJ.

I'm interested in Melody of Luces Azules.

Do they do incalls? Their website isn't clear.

I don't know the area, but I speak Spanish, so that's not a problem.

I'll be arriving there the other Saturday (June 25).

Thanks!

[Diehard88]

Melody will go to your hotel.

But it depends a lot where you are staying.Thanks.

Any hotels you recommend in the downtown area that will accept "visitors"?

[ErickMorsa]

Thanks.

Any hotels you recommend in the downtown area that will accept "visitors"? Hotels, Normally, in hotels no porblem for the firls to enter, also depends in your budget, but for example, Fiesta Inn, no porblem, the one is very dificult is, holiday inn, Fundidora, and SAFI ther are two SAFIS in Monterrey Down town and in San pedro, both is a headacke for girls to enter.

Infinito, Also, depend in you, place is cheap, sometimes you can find 2 or 3 girls really good, but, don't expect, top models, or average, the place is fine because is cheap, Entrance is less than one dollar, don't remember now prices for beer, but also cheap, dances with girls 50$ pesos you can have sex there for $200 pesos plus dances or more depending on the girl, if you are used to good things for sure you will feel scared specially if you are going alone, the places is more or less secure if you don't mess with anybody. But, for sure I will recomend better places, ofcourse more expesive, like POISON, located in Av. Zaragoza. Greetings!

[MonterreyDude]

Sheraton Ambassador. Right in the middle of the hotel district.

Of the few if not only in the downtown area that will make no fuzz in letting a guest take a visitor up stairs to your room.


Thanks.

Any hotels you recommend in the downtown area that will accept "visitors"?

[Diehard88]

Sheraton Ambassador. Right in the middle of the hotel district.

Of the few if not only in the downtown area that will make no fuzz in letting a guest take a visitor up stairs to your room. Thanks again.

I sent an email to Luces Azules and they confirmed what you said.

They also recommended Hotel Fiesta Americana Monterrey Centro, which looks like a very nice hotel. No problems with visitors there.

[MonterreyDude]

Iam not quite sure what the going rates are, but the Sheraton is a far better hotel than the Fiesta Americana.

And the Fiesta. You have to walk a pedestrain area to get to the hotel, like 20. 30 yards, but you still have to walk, while the Sheraton is right at the corner of 2 streets.


Thanks again.

I sent an email to Luces Azules and they confirmed what you said.

They also recommended Hotel Fiesta Americana Monterrey Centro, which looks like a very nice hotel. No problems with visitors there.

[Diehard88]

Took a stroll down reforma Sunday, and discovered the new location of El Infi. It is on the west side of Nervo, between Reforma and Madero.

It is a much larger place with one large central stage, high ceilings, and seating all around the stage. Very similar layout to Tangalay. I did not check out the privados. It is the same management with most of the same girls, plus about ten more of varying sizes and shapes. A lot more customers, especially for a Sunday. Something's wrong with the above location description of El Infinito.

According to the Monterrey's link, http://bit.ly/lN7MwT, it should be located on 703 Julian Villagran (between Carlos Salazar and General Jeronimo Trevino).

There's a club called Mandalay that's next to it, according to street view.

http://goo.gl/maps/J1Us

Someone please confirm, as I'm planning to visit that place on Saturday or Sunday.

Are there buses from downtown? I see it's near a subway station called Cuauhtémoc.

Thanks!

[Diehard88]

I think I found the place:

http://goo.gl/maps/4y4X

Nervo street, between Madero and Reforma.

Please confirm.

Thanks


Something's wrong with the above location description of El Infinito.

According to the Monterrey's link,

http://bit.ly/lN7MwT

, it should be located on 703 Julian Villagran (between Carlos Salazar and General Jeronimo Trevino).

There's a club called Mandalay that's next to it, according to street view.

http://goo.gl/maps/J1Us

Someone please confirm, as I'm planning to visit that place on Saturday or Sunday.

Are there buses from downtown? I see it's near a subway station called Cuauhtémoc.

Thanks!

[Larbo]

Something's wrong with the above location description of El Infinito.

According to the Monterrey's link,

http://bit.ly/lN7MwT

, it should be located on 703 Julian Villagran (between Carlos Salazar and General Jeronimo Trevino).

There's a club called Mandalay that's next to it, according to street view.

http://goo.gl/maps/J1Us

Someone please confirm, as I'm planning to visit that place on Saturday or Sunday.

Are there buses from downtown? I see it's near a subway station called Cuauhtémoc.

Thanks! Two different places, my friend.

[Diehard88]

Two different places, my friend.Ok, got it now.

Please confirm if this is the current location of Infinito: http://goo.gl/maps/J1Us

Juliáand Villagráand. 703.

Thanks!

[El Cazador]

I avise do not go alone drinking near infinito in the late hours or in the early morning. Two weeks ago they murder the three people in the encanto bar one block away. They kill in the bar and then in the street and make the injury to varios others. I don't report to this foro because I don't want to be attack here by the fat old guy with the bald spot and all his varios personalties.

Monterreydude will agree that one is to be the fool to go out drinking alone right now late in el centro if you are a gringo.

[Larbo]

I will be in Monterrey Monday through Friday next week. Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday are reserved for all-nighters with my favoritas, but. That leaves Thursday and Friday for someone from lucesazules or Infinito's. I sure would like to hear about the Melody / Gretel combo Diehard88 is contemplating! I am really hot for Melody, but I have to admit I have been eying Gretel too. That would have to be an awesome combo! Too bad I would only be able to get in one shot for the two of them. I play way too much up front to be able to squeeze two shots in 1-1/2 hours. Goin' for two shots in three hours would bust the budget for the rest of the week. What a goal though.

Melody is in my plans for next week, I just don't know when yet, or if Gretel will be joining her. Or maybe Gretel one on one?

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

[MonterreyDude]

Am sorry am late answering this, but El Cazador is dead right on this one.

Please do not monger over 1 am and by that I mean "be at your room" at 1 am. Let's say 2 am really really tops.


I avise do not go alone drinking near infinito in the late hours or in the early morning. Two weeks ago they murder the three people in the encanto bar one block away. They kill in the bar and then in the street and make the injury to varios others. I don't report to this foro because I don't want to be attack here by the fat old guy with the bald spot and all his varios personalties.

Monterreydude will agree that one is to be the fool to go out drinking alone right now late in el centro if you are a gringo.

[Chicharito900]

I'm new to this forum. I found it a couple days ago. I'm from Mexico and have passed by Monterrey many times but have never really stopped to explore. I don't have too much experience with SCs other than my time in Zihuatanejo, Guerrero last Decemeber. I went to a low scale bar and took 2 mex girls (a 5 and a 6) to my hotel. I paid $1000 pesos for both of them but like I stated they didn't look that good. The next day I hit up a famous SC called Jaguares and paid 1300 pesos for FS (she was about an 8). I hope to visit Monterrey this Christmas so I hope to get to know you guys so you can give me some good advice on where to go. I'm fluent in Spanish and currently live in TX.

Cual es el mejor SC de Monterrey? Monterreydude: I have been reading your posts and you seem to know everything. Maybe you can let me know which clubs are good.


Am sorry am late answering this, but El Cazador is dead right on this one.

Please do not monger over 1 am and by that I mean "be at your room" at 1 am. Let's say 2 am really really tops.

[MexCanuck]

I avise do not go alone drinking near infinito in the late hours or in the early morning. Two weeks ago they murder the three people in the encanto bar one block away. They kill in the bar and then in the street and make the injury to varios others. I don't report to this foro because I don't want to be attack here by the fat old guy with the bald spot and all his varios personalties.

Monterreydude will agree that one is to be the fool to go out drinking alone right now late in el centro if you are a gringo.Were the persons killed gringos? I understood that it were some Mexicans that were looking for drugs and the kids got out of hand and other persons got involved trying to stop it. I was in Monterrey last week and was at those bars until 4am. I know most of the door men in that area and grab a cab as soon as I get out of the bar. The doorman picks the cab as there is usually a bunch in front of Sabino Gordo. I don'why know Spanish very well at all but that's the way it was explained to me.

[Bbond]

Minutos antes de las 22:00 horas de hoy viernes, un grupo fuertemente armado ingresó al Bar Sabino Gordo, ubicado en plena zona Centro de la ciudad de Monterrey, Nuevo Leóand. Los pistoleros viajaban en varias camionetas de lujo relataron algunos testigos.
Al interior del negocio que se encuentra entre las calles Carlos Salazar why Villagráand, se encontraban decenas de clientes disfrutando del ambiente, cuando los sicarios llegaron why comenzaron a disparar contra las personas, fueron varios minutos de balacera.
Los sicarios levantaron a ocho personas que se encontraban en el negocio, why se retiraron del lugar después de realizar la masacre, sin embargo aprovecharon la ocasióand why tomaron algunas fotografías del escenario de muerte.
En el lugar fueron ejecutadas 27 personas, why hasta el momento se desconocen sus nombres, siendo sus cadáveres resguardados por las autoridades. Entre las víctimas se encuentran meseras, cantineros, otros empleados del bar, clientes why hasta un hombre que vendía hot dogs afuera.

Now tell us how safe Monterrey is... 27 killed in Sabino Gordo??????? WTF.......

[ErickMorsa]

Guat. Places are Not Safe, better to ask service in an escort agency direct to your hotel, like www.regioscorts.com Or bomboncitasregias. Com

[MonterreyDude]

Bbond, no need to go ballistic.

I posted this happening at midnight on the Stripclub thread.

They downgraded the dead to 19, which is still not a relief.


Minutos antes de las 22:00 horas de hoy viernes, un grupo fuertemente armado ingresó al Bar Sabino Gordo, ubicado en plena zona Centro de la ciudad de Monterrey, Nuevo Leóand. Los pistoleros viajaban en varias camionetas de lujo relataron algunos testigos.

Al interior del negocio que se encuentra entre las calles Carlos Salazar why Villagráand, se encontraban decenas de clientes disfrutando del ambiente, cuando los sicarios llegaron why comenzaron a disparar contra las personas, fueron varios minutos de balacera.

Los sicarios levantaron a ocho personas que se encontraban en el negocio, why se retiraron del lugar después de realizar la masacre, sin embargo aprovecharon la ocasióand why tomaron algunas fotografías del escenario de muerte.

En el lugar fueron ejecutadas 27 personas, why hasta el momento se desconocen sus nombres, siendo sus cadáveres resguardados por las autoridades. Entre las víctimas se encuentran meseras, cantineros, otros empleados del bar, clientes why hasta un hombre que vendía hot dogs afuera.

Now tell us how safe Monterrey is. 27 killed in Sabino Gordo? WTF.

[Marius 67]

WOW! 27 dead people! I knew it was only a matter of time before they hit that area. You guys want to know how close infinito or Spongebobs favorite place is; it's right across the street. About 20 yards away, or closer. I really loved going to infinto, but these news sealed the deal for me, no more infinito or that anything around that area. Go to Monterrey at your own risk! Monterreydude / spongebob always down played the dangers. But it a hard fact now!

[Member #3453]

I guess the next step for Mexico is armed cops with fully automatic weapons on every street corner. All up and down Villagran starting at Madero. Of course, what's to keep them from shaking us down, like in Tijuana? Short of that, the people in Mexico are relatively helpless to help themselves, just like most governments that promises their citizens protection as they're being slaughtered.

Too bad, up to now, the strip club scene had been relatively insulated. Just that one incident at Givenchy quite a number of years ago, which we all know was a targeting of drug cartel members, not patrons.

Time to get creative. How to beat the odds, cost competitively, rather than cowering in the corner and beating off in your hotel room, or paying some pimp ridiculous sums of money in exchange for hollow promises of safety? What keeps you from being a victim of the pimp and his agenda?

No, find your own action, do it on your own terms, and keep everybody else off balance, and guessing. That is still the safest alternative, even in light of these most recent events.

[MonterreyDude]

Sabino Gordo is not a SC, it's a dance club.

Same thing had been happening at el Internacional, El Inter, another dance hall. They had been sprayed with bullets in several ocassions.

A whole universe of a diference.

Both places orbit a different sphere. Dance hall, civilians, no ho's.

Shows, bands.

This is something that went terribly wrong within their business.


I guess the next step for Mexico is armed cops with fully automatic weapons on every street corner. All up and down Villagran starting at Madero. Of course, what's to keep them from shaking us down, like in Tijuana? Short of that, the people in Mexico are relatively helpless to help themselves, just like most governments that promises their citizens protection as they're being slaughtered.

Too bad, up to now, the strip club scene had been relatively insulated. Just that one incident at Givenchy quite a number of years ago, which we all know was a targeting of drug cartel members, not patrons.

Time to get creative. How to beat the odds, cost competitively, rather than cowering in the corner and beating off in your hotel room, or paying some pimp ridiculous sums of money in exchange for hollow promises of safety? What keeps you from being a victim of the pimp and his agenda?

No, find your own action, do it on your own terms, and keep everybody else off balance, and guessing. That is still the safest alternative, even in light of these most recent events.

[PirateJohn]

Sabino Gordo is not a SC, it's a dance club.Oh Jesus. I'm looking at this on Google Maps and the club that got shot up is about half a block from where the former Significant Other and I walked to look for food and catch a cab when we were at Monterrey's equivalent of the San Antonio River Walk!

Scary!

Still. In broad daylight. I'd have no trouble with being a gringo and walking around Monterrey.

So you guys think that it's a wise idea to get out of the clubs before 2AM, though?

[Chicharito900]

I'm going to be traveling to Monterrey soon and am looking for a thick chaparrita. My preference is ass so who would you guys recommend? I'm a native Spanish speaker so feel free to write me back in Spanish or English.

[Member #3453]

Sabino Gordo is not a SC, it's a dance club.

Same thing had been happening at el Internacional, El Inter, another dance hall. They had been sprayed with bullets in several ocassions.

A whole universe of a diference.

Both places orbit a different sphere. Dance hall, civilians, no ho's.

Shows, bands.

This is something that went terribly wrong within their business.Yeah, sure, I know the place, not a strip club, a dance club. Only been there about twice over the last several years. I never could get into that scene, and I've always preferred the strip clubs instead of working the semi-pros. But, what I was driving at is that things seem to be hitting just a little too close to home at the Sorbino Gordo, so close to El Infinto and the rest.

Lets hope the SCs are paid up! It could just as easily go bad for them if they screw up their businesses. The way the bars are run doesn't inspire confidence that they're always on top of things. My advice, don't demonstrate your faith that they're on top of things by lingering too long in any of the clubs. Get in, make your selection, and get the hell out! And, even though the danger levels have risen, I still like doing my own hunting. That isn't likely to change. I don't particularly want to put my fate in the hands of other providers offering me a safe, secure, porn star experience.

[Bbond]

Bbond, no need to go ballistic.

I posted this happening at midnight on the Stripclub thread.

They downgraded the dead to 19, which is still not a relief.Ballistic? That is one of the few places I really enjoyed in MTY. Just goes to show, when it goes down, it goes down, no matter where, no matter when.

Last I read it's up to 21, but more may die.

[MonterreyDude]

I went to the clubs tonight.

Realy weird stuff.

Businesses were up and running. Regular Saturday girls were there. Full manifest on some.

A little slow on customers, but I had the notion I would find NO ONE at the clubs!

Am really really surprised at this.

The only business that closed was El Internacional part of Sabino Gordo inc.

No surprise there.

[Member #3453]

I went to the clubs tonight.

Realy weird stuff.

Businesses were up and running. Regular Saturday girls were there. Full manifest on some.

A little slow on customers, but I had the notion I would find NO ONE at the clubs!

Am really really surprised at this.

The only business that closed was El Internacional part of Sabino Gordo inc.

No surprise there.We always thought the clubs were living kind of a charmed life. Why, in the face of hearing all the warnings we've been hearing from some members about how dangerous things are in Monterrey, which they can be, have we been able to also hear from other members who regularly frequent the strip clubs, that they have never experienced even one incident of their safety being threatened in the strip clubs, or especially even on the streets walking around between the strips clubs down on Villagran?

If the club bosses have sufficient juice to either control the mayhem, and/or to order their zombies "hands off" the strip clubs, while also simultaneously convincing the "inventory" (ie: the girls) that they'll be safe, it is very revealing.

The girls must have an abiding faith in the positioning of the strip clubs in the pecking order, so much so that the girls feel perfectly safe about reporting to work the next day after such an incident occurred. That suggests that the clubs are at the top of the food chain.

If something "huge" happens in the strip clubs, THEN I'll modify my behavior. Until then, it may be wise to be a little more cautious, but I'm not really intending to change my habits. Except, I have in the relative recent past, been concluding my business in the clubs before about 12:30am, if possible.

[Bbond]

Has been a couple years ago, but the last visit I paid to Sabino Gordo was with a friend. I liked the setup, a dance club, with loose women, plenty loose women. The girls got 10 pesos per dance or if you wanted to sit with, drink with, and dance with one, you paid her 100 pesos per hour, no ficha drinks, her drink prices were the same as yours. Guy I was with took one young looker back to the hotel for 800 pesos, he said she really earned the 800, he got her phone number for return visits. Mine kept agreeing to go with me, but backed out at about 1 am, said she had to go home, collected the 200 pesos for the 2 hours she was at the table, and supposedly left, but she lied, I saw her later at another table.

[Strike 69]

Guat. Places are Not Safe, better to ask service in an escort agency direct to your hotel, like.

www.regioscorts.com

Or bomboncitasregias. ComI can see Escorts agencies gaining strength and customers over Strip Clubs due insecurity, someone told me in the past the Obsession (or the Metropolis cannot remember) offered Outcalls Escort services with some of their "exotic dancers" but I never confirmed that.

[Papushko]

I'm a mexican from Juarez, visiting Monterrey for 5 days (July 11-15). Can you guys give me some pointers as to what bars-strip clubs are good to go and get a chica to come with me to my hotel room? Like I said, I'm mexican and fluent in spanish, and no stranger to the dangers of living in a violent city, I just don't want to waste my time hopping from strip joint to strip joint, and asking cab drivers for advice. The last time I was in MTY (way too long ago) I went to Amnesia and had a blast (and a huge credit card debt) , but my interest now is to go, get a beer, identify the girl of choice and ask her to go to the hotel with me without spending money on lap dances. Is Amnesia way too expensive to get girls like that? How much would a girl charge me to go out to the hotel with me?

I saw some websites that ErickMorsa posted, they do have a lot of great girls and are a very viable option, but I like to see the girl before committing to a service, especially if it's going to cost me 2, 500 pesos. (for me it's kind of a turn off if the girl is kinda ugly, even if she has a killer body). From what I read in this forum "el cazador","monterrey dude" and "erick morsa" are like me, mexican mongers, so I was hoping to get some pointers from you or any other member that has tried girls from these websites or from strip clubs. If you tried some girls from Amnesia or from these websites (lucesazules, bomboncitasregias, regoscorts, modelsmonterrey, etc) , please recommend me those that give great service and are easy on the eyes!

I tried to read more on this forum, but all the bullshit "Unspongebob" posts got me so tired I decided to ask you guys for advice instead of wasting my time reading totally unrelated crap from paranoid lunatics.

Hope you guys can help me!

Thanks!

Papushko

[MonterreyDude]

May I ask. What SC insecurity?

And NO the 5 star Grand tourism clubs do not offer out calls.

The only ones that offer them are Reno and Poisson, but we are talking 300 dlls up.


I can see Escorts agencies gaining strength and customers over Strip Clubs due insecurity, someone told me in the past the Obsession (or the Metropolis cannot remember) offered Outcalls Escort services with some of their "exotic dancers" but I never confirmed that.

[MonterreyDude]

It depends on tastes.

Perhaps Casino MC will do.

Or other Madero ave clubs like Pasarelas or Harem. Even Bahamas.

I can not vouch for Infinito right now, but it is also a good choice.

Cd Juarez??? Mty es pan comido for someone from Cd Juarez...




I'm a mexican from Juarez, visiting Monterrey for 5 days (July 11-15). Can you guys give me some pointers as to what bars-strip clubs are good to go and get a chica to come with me to my hotel room? Like I said, I'm mexican and fluent in spanish, and no stranger to the dangers of living in a violent city, I just don't want to waste my time hopping from strip joint to strip joint, and asking cab drivers for advice. The last time I was in MTY (way too long ago) I went to Amnesia and had a blast (and a huge credit card debt) , but my interest now is to go, get a beer, identify the girl of choice and ask her to go to the hotel with me without spending money on lap dances. Is Amnesia way too expensive to get girls like that? How much would a girl charge me to go out to the hotel with me?

I saw some websites that ErickMorsa posted, they do have a lot of great girls and are a very viable option, but I like to see the girl before committing to a service, especially if it's going to cost me 2, 500 pesos. (for me it's kind of a turn off if the girl is kinda ugly, even if she has a killer body). From what I read in this forum "el cazador","monterrey dude" and "erick morsa" are like me, mexican mongers, so I was hoping to get some pointers from you or any other member that has tried girls from these websites or from strip clubs. If you tried some girls from Amnesia or from these websites (lucesazules, bomboncitasregias, regoscorts, modelsmonterrey, etc) , please recommend me those that give great service and are easy on the eyes!

I tried to read more on this forum, but all the bullshit "Unspongebob" posts got me so tired I decided to ask you guys for advice instead of wasting my time reading totally unrelated crap from paranoid lunatics.

Hope you guys can help me!

Thanks!

Papushko

[El Cazador]

I'm a mexican from Juarez, visiting Monterrey for 5 days (July 11-15). Can you guys give me some pointers as to what bars-strip clubs are good to go and get a chica to come with me to my hotel room? Like I said, I'm mexican and fluent in spanish, and no stranger to the dangers of living in a violent city, I just don't want to waste my time hopping from strip joint to strip joint, and asking cab drivers for advice. The last time I was in MTY (way too long ago) I went to Amnesia and had a blast (and a huge credit card debt) , but my interest now is to go, get a beer, identify the girl of choice and ask her to go to the hotel with me without spending money on lap dances. Is Amnesia way too expensive to get girls like that? How much would a girl charge me to go out to the hotel with me?

I saw some websites that ErickMorsa posted, they do have a lot of great girls and are a very viable option, but I like to see the girl before committing to a service, especially if it's going to cost me 2, 500 pesos. (for me it's kind of a turn off if the girl is kinda ugly, even if she has a killer body). From what I read in this forum "el cazador","monterrey dude" and "erick morsa" are like me, mexican mongers, so I was hoping to get some pointers from you or any other member that has tried girls from these websites or from strip clubs. If you tried some girls from Amnesia or from these websites (lucesazules, bomboncitasregias, regoscorts, modelsmonterrey, etc) , please recommend me those that give great service and are easy on the eyes!

I tried to read more on this forum, but all the bullshit "Unspongebob" posts got me so tired I decided to ask you guys for advice instead of wasting my time reading totally unrelated crap from paranoid lunatics.

Hope you guys can help me!

Thanks!

PapushkoWww.aliciadollshouse.com

Many people have the good luck with this service. She also offer the apartment incall service. If you like the casa de cita I recommend

www.plindas.net

I do not recommend to you the clubs right now as it is not safe. I report to this foro three weeks before that they kill at the encanto bar one block from infinito. Some people now think that the massacre at sabino gordo is made for the revenge. Now they may make the revenge again in another bar. The noticias also report they have the eight kidnap from the sabino gordo.

I only come to this foro to help the gringos that come to monterrey and to warn of the dangers that is downplay by the unspongebob. I hope that nobody here have the bad luck to be in sabino gordo or to have made to witness the tragic event. I know many people here attack me but am smart enough to understand that these are just the alias of unspongebob, the fat old guy with the bald spot.

If you come to monterey and look to make the realciones with the girls please do not get drunk alone, never leave your beer unattended and do not walk the streets late at night by yourself.

And finally, do not take the advice of a fat old man with a bald spot or any of his "paranoid lunatic" aliases.

[Marius 67]

Unspongebob, I'am calling you out for putting peoples life at risk; what you did was wrong and irresponsible, you posted things that could have dire consequences.

I can tell you right now that the press is reporting that more cartel hits are possible in the clubs around that area AKA Infinito. Mongers it is foolish to go to Monterrey

Right now! Risk your life. Mods please do not censor, it is important that are fellow mongers stay safe and stay out of Monterrey.

[DanceLov]

Hello guys,

This is my first time in Monterrey. I was shocked to hear about the tragic incident in a strip club on Friday. I wanted to ask the old timers here, is it safe to go out to strip clubs now. If yes can you please suggest me any in the downtown area which are safe.

I don't speak spanish. Any suggestions on english speaking friendly clubs. I have read in other posts that non Spanish speakers have been rigged at various occasions.