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03-12-07, 01:11

WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,

I would think twice before bringing a Mexican bar girl to within 1000 miles of my home turf, especially your "X" girl. It sounds good on the surface, but consider the potential complications she "could" create for you, assuming of course that she has a passport, which most do not (Thank God!!!).

Angry Girl told me one time before she started acting-up that she was working for a company during the day, in addition to her "regular" night work as a stripper/bar girl. If she can be believed, she works for a company that was planning to bring her into the US in the future to provide contracted labor.

I believe she was possibly going to work on some kind of green card type of employment. She didn't really know when, or the particular details, and perhaps it was all pie in the sky, or bar girl lies, but according to her, it was some kind of inventory control job that relates to her day job now. Her story sounds very believable to me...

If a girl had told me this several years ago, I would have said she was crazy. But, with the immigration issues we have in this country now, and the lack of accountability shown by our politicians toward their obligation to enforce immigration laws. Neglecting their responsibility to legitimate legal immigrants, and because our politicians view a flood of illegal immigrants as a windfall to their voting districts, which is a totally self serving attitude that is contrary to their oaths of office, the likelihood of the girls actually coming eventually into the US legally to work is quite possible. Furthermore, the likeihood of the girls coming into the USA legally to work, and remaining illegally, could be as common a circumstance as the other 12 million illegal immigrants already in the US now.

I for one, do not particularly like the idea of any bar girl seeking me out here in the US, even if she loves me to death. I am quite pleased that the majority of them were at least formerly trapped in Mexico, where they can not do me any direct damage.

But, being of a naturally suspicous mind, all be it simulateously foolish with respect to my LOVE of Mexican bar girls, I have often wondered if some of the bar girls I am closest to might not contemplate "extortion" through some third party illegal immigrants that they may know here in the US. They could leverage me for cash and regalos here within the US via blackmail without too much effort, right?

The porousness of our borders makes us much more vulnerable than I would have originally imagined several years ago, and most of the girls have NO ethical convictions that would keep their designs on my bank account in check.

Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc...

She knows even my middle initial...not because I believe she wants to harm me. I just think she likes being close to me, because we austensibly have something going between us. In my heart of hearts, I give her the benefit of the doubt, possibly at my own peril if I'm wrong. I think she is just wanting to remember who I am, to be close to me like a novio, the Gringo she is loving/screwing/etc...but it could just as easily be a smart operator setting me up.

I should be taking my own advice...Carlos always warned me about letting them know too much, and getting to close to them. He always told me never to trust them. Of course, I trust them too much. Do as he says not as I do, right?

I intellectually agree with his advice, but when the girls start to get close, they also start to wonder who they are screwing, especially if it has some meaning for them. I believe in "G's" case, it is simply a sentimentally innocent female desire to be closer to me, as one of her "chosen" boyfriends. I think she desires our relationship to be something other than she endures on a nightly basis in the privados at El Infinito, and that through knowing something about me, she feels our liasons are legitimized. But, it could just as easily be a total scam.

What options are you talking about?

Oh yes, my "X" girl wants to come to town. I was discussing the situation with RTW. His mind was working overtime when he suggested I bring her here as a, what was it, an Au Pair? Hot dang RTW. What a great idea. I'll have Carlos start the paperwork. Carlos?

RWT was great to hang out with. It's been a while since I've seen a gringo's surprise to beautiful situations down in MTY. I commented 'What the hell am I doing here?' as we entered Taboo. Once RTW realized where we were, he too agreed. 'What they hell are we doing in a gay-lesbian disco in Mexico with 18 y/o and 19 y/o pretty strippers and a boyfriend?' The whole club was watching us and some hit on RTW. woohooo.

But I must also give credit to my young 18 y/o "X" girl. She too had a great idea. She wanted me to pay to get her 'transported' to me. Even better.

Then I sat for a minute and let my mind wonder. Imagining the situation: "X" in my house! hot dammm, very tempting..... She'll probably do the whole neighborhood as well... I'm sure my neighbors would love me :-)

Then I can take her with me on my trips. She'll wait for me in my hotel room while I go to work. By the time I get back, I'll find thank you letters for all the hotel guests... hey, maybe I'll take her to strip clubs and make some money while I'm at it.

OK. Seriously now. Carlos, What would it take to get "X" over here? She's welling and I'm able……. NAAAAAAT.

Later you horny chickens.

Wasted

Round the World

03-12-07, 01:25

USB, I've got a ticket booked for Medellin, Colombia for May 7-10. It'll be my second trip and I be more than happy to show you the ropes, mi amigo.

Wasted, I was kidding about the Au Pair route. But it is actually a legit route. In my neighborhood, an au pair just arrived from Mexico. There are five or six licensed agencies in the US that source girls from Mexico, Thailand, Brazil etc. (hmm that is a conspicuous combination of countries isn't it?)

If you ever want to contemplate the possibilities check it out... NAAAT! It cracks me up when X says that, which she does... a lot.

As for my most recent trip, last week, I had a mixed time. The previous trip was too great (meeting the three amigos, hanging with Wasted's girls at Taboo, and meeting my Obsession girl) I should have known this would be a let down.

It wasn't a total loss however. Carlos kindly let my Obsession girl know I was coming back to town for a night and tentatively arranged another unofficial salida. I arrived ahead of schedule so Carlos picked me up and we headed to Obsession. There Carlos sat with his A girl and I with my girl. I tried to get her to stay out late, but she said she couldn't. We chatted some more, and after a while her face lit up and she said, ok she can stay out late. My plan was to take her out for dinner and maybe dancing in Barrio Antiguo per Wasted's suggestion before retreating to my hotel suite for a blissful night. We agreed on a time a place to meet and Carlos and I bid the girls adieu.

Carlos dropped me at Infinito to while away the hours until my rendezvous. I wanted to see the girls I had fun with last week. Many were there, J, X, I, P, S, etc. I didn't really want to mess around with the girls since I already had a date planned. Bu tI did want to chat. So I said hi to X, who surprisingly was nicer to me this week than she was last week. She of course said she missed Wasted (who wouldn't?) and we sat and had a couple beers. I really wanted to see her friend P, whom I think is super hot. But P had the guys lining up and I only got to chat with her briefly. Too bad, I had to run to meet my date.

We met and headed off to Barrio Antiguo and found one of the few restaurants there. Lots of clubs, but few restaurants. This was on the corner from the park separating the Barrio from the Sheraton part of town. It was decent food and had a live band. I was having fun learning about my girl, her family life, her pre-club life etc. This girl is very pretty, fantastic body, and an honest person. She's new to the club business and retains a good girl attitude. After dinner we walked back to the Sheraton and had some nice chocolate fresas that the staff had delivered to my room.

Then I called her over to the desk where my computer sat, and asked her to choose the music. As she leaned over, we kissed, then embraced, then kissed some more and then the clothes started flying. Eventually I cleared the desk and feasted on her nude form atop the desk. After maybe 30 minutes, I picked her up and carried her to the bedroom and laid her down. At this point she saw the clock and looked a little panicked and said that she had to get home to her dad in 10 minutes (12:30am). I was stunned. I had assumed we had plenty of time. I trusted her enough not to bullshit me, but this was over the top. She looked really sorry, but dressed quickly. At the door, she said next time would be gratis. I think I still had a frown on my face and kissed her goodbye.

I sat around for a while feeling the blues. Then reflexively headed out for Matehuala, Givenchy and Infinito to waste the rest of the night away. I was in a dark mood and thought of the Billy Strayhorn song, Lush Life.

Romance is mush
Stifling those who strive
I'll live a lush life
In some small dive

And there I'll be
while I rot with the rest
Of those whose lives are lonely too...

We'll see where things lead next time with girl.

RtW

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 01:25

First of all, those "X" have a American visa?
If she doesn't it's a lost cause... she'll never ever get it.
You should feel in your own skin the way the American Consulate people treat us guys that need the visa.... horrible and degrading.

What options are you talking about?

Oh yes, my "X" girl wants to come to town. I was discussing the situation with RTW. His mind was working overtime when he suggested I bring her here as a, what was it, an Au Pair? Hot dang RTW. What a great idea. I'll have Carlos start the paperwork. Carlos?

RWT was great to hang out with. It's been a while since I've seen a gringo's surprise to beautiful situations down in MTY. I commented 'What the hell am I doing here?' as we entered Taboo. Once RTW realized where we were, he too agreed. 'What they hell are we doing in a gay-lesbian disco in Mexico with 18 y/o and 19 y/o pretty strippers and a boyfriend?' The whole club was watching us and some hit on RTW. woohooo.

But I must also give credit to my young 18 y/o "X" girl. She too had a great idea. She wanted me to pay to get her 'transported' to me. Even better.

Then I sat for a minute and let my mind wonder. Imagining the situation: "X" in my house! hot dammm, very tempting..... She'll probably do the whole neighborhood as well... I'm sure my neighbors would love me :-)

Then I can take her with me on my trips. She'll wait for me in my hotel room while I go to work. By the time I get back, I'll find thank you letters for all the hotel guests... hey, maybe I'll take her to strip clubs and make some money while I'm at it.

OK. Seriously now. Carlos, What would it take to get "X" over here? She's welling and I'm able……. NAAAAAAT.

Later you horny chickens.

Wasted

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 01:29

The I live "Down on the Farm" sounds a lot like the Chris Farley character line "live down by the river in a trailer van..."

WastedG, you undoubtedly have better options, notwithstanding bringing your "X" girl to the US. I imagine that in your part of the country there is significantly better options with respect to P4P, all be they more expensive options than MTY, but certainly much better than what I have available to me here in the heartland (wasteland).

Remember, I live "Down on the Farm." The only options we have here are a sheep or two, a few horses, some cows, etc...and those are descriptions of the quality of girls we have here, not the animals, hahahaha!!! :-)

I just finished booking my airline tickets for 3/25-3/29. I will stay five nights in Monterrey this next time. I also pre-booked tickets for April as well in order to avoid the exhorbidant fares associated with waiting to book the tickets.

By booking well in advance, like about 9-10 weeks ahead, it seems I can save up to almost $100 off the cost of airfare on bookings that I would normally try to book at least three to four weeks in advance.

I am contemplating a vacation from Monterrey in May or June. I might possibly book a frequent flyer mileage credit for a trip to Asia, Colombia, or Costa Rica instead.

It's all up to "G" to keep me coming back for more. Frankly, I hope she will not disappoint me. No need to go looking elsewhere if your relatively content in your own backyard. As they say in Thailand, "Up to Her."

WastedG, you must be getting the itch once again after being home a few days...Being home is bliss, but it doesn't take long to miss Monterrey. With me, it actually works quite the opposite. When I first return home, it is the worst. I am actually starting to normalize now after being home for a week. My melancholy and longing for Monterrey, and its delights, is starting to subside finally. It usually only takes a week or so before my absence from Monterrey is tolerable.

I decided I better book my tickets before I completely forget about what I am missing. My mind has even started to wander, to contemplate the pooying that could be had in other venues. Perhaps "G" is losing her hold on me. But, that having been said, she makes me pretty happy when I'm there.

When are you planning your return?

[/QUOTE=Wastedgman]What options are you talking about? Wasted[/QUOTE]

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 01:42

Visa Redux...
For the girls to get an American Visa to go just as visitors and I mean tourists, to the USA is quite impossible.
You do not have an idea how hard it is to get that thing here.
You must prove that you are working steadily at a job, that your income is good enough so that you'll not use the visa just to get inside the USA and that there is family and stuff that will make you come back to Mexico.
Second step is getting past Homeland Security in the border towns.
Back in 2004 I went via land to San Antonio, Texas.
God, you don't have an idea the way I was humiliated and treated at the border.
1. I was asked to produce an accountant letter proving my income
2. I was asked to produce my bank statements
3. I was told "how could you come down here and think that you could enter the USA without those papers".
4. I deduced the inspector he was testing me. You know "break me up" So I just soldiered up and kept say "yes sir... yes sir... how much I earn, I earn in a day what you get in a month".
5. Just horrible. I told my wife I would never go via land to any part of the USA (beyond the 20 mile limit that forces me to get a permit).

WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,

I would think twice before bringing a Mexican bar girl to within 1000 miles of my home turf, especially your "X" girl. It sounds good on the surface, but consider the potential complications she "could" create for you, assuming of course that she has a passport, which most do not (Thank God!!!).

Angry Girl told me one time before she started acting-up that she was working for a company during the day, in addition to her "regular" night work as a stripper/bar girl. If she can be believed, she works for a company that was planning to bring her into the US in the future to provide contracted labor.

I believe she was possibly going to work on some kind of green card type of employment. She didn't really know when, or the particular details, and perhaps it was all pie in the sky, or bar girl lies, but according to her, it was some kind of inventory control job that relates to her day job now. Her story sounds very believable to me...

If a girl had told me this several years ago, I would have said she was crazy. But, with the immigration issues we have in this country now, and the lack of accountability shown by our politicians toward their obligation to enforce immigration laws. Neglecting their responsibility to legitimate legal immigrants, and because our politicians view a flood of illegal immigrants as a windfall to their voting districts, which is a totally self serving attitude that is contrary to their oaths of office, the likelihood of the girls actually coming eventually into the US legally to work is quite possible. Furthermore, the likeihood of the girls coming into the USA legally to work, and remaining illegally, could be as common a circumstance as the other 12 million illegal immigrants already in the US now.

I for one, do not particularly like the idea of any bar girl seeking me out here in the US, even if she loves me to death. I am quite pleased that the majority of them were at least formerly trapped in Mexico, where they can not do me any direct damage.

But, being of a naturally suspicous mind, all be it simulateously foolish with respect to my LOVE of Mexican bar girls, I have often wondered if some of the bar girls I am closest to might not contemplate "extortion" through some third party illegal immigrants that they may know here in the US. They could leverage me for cash and regalos here within the US via blackmail without too much effort, right?

The porousness of our borders makes us much more vulnerable than I would have originally imagined several years ago, and most of the girls have NO ethical convictions that would keep their designs on my bank account in check.

Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc...

She knows even my middle initial...not because I believe she wants to harm me. I just think she likes being close to me, because we austensibly have something going between us. In my heart of hearts, I give her the benefit of the doubt, possibly at my own peril if I'm wrong. I think she is just wanting to remember who I am, to be close to me like a novio, the Gringo she is loving/screwing/etc...but it could just as easily be a smart operator setting me up.

I should be taking my own advice...Carlos always warned me about letting them know too much, and getting to close to them. He always told me never to trust them. Of course, I trust them too much. Do as he says not as I do, right?

I intellectually agree with his advice, but when the girls start to get close, they also start to wonder who they are screwing, especially if it has some meaning for them. I believe in "G's" case, it is simply a sentimentally innocent female desire to be closer to me, as one of her "chosen" boyfriends. I think she desires our relationship to be something other than she endures on a nightly basis in the privados at El Infinito, and that through knowing something about me, she feels our liasons are legitimized. But, it could just as easily be a total scam.

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 01:50

What the hell is this????
Iam really dissapointed to read this:
"Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc..."
My friend, I know you trust G but you know quite well that in this day and age every bit of information can not be left to random possibilites just like that.
You have an idea of how many times the bar girls lose their phones???
You have an idea how they exchange information between themselves?
Just yesterday I got to the Infinito... one of the girls I say hello too, told me the following: "wow, "B" told me you are hot, f***g hot... and look at you, who would ever think that you had so many girlfriends, blah blah etc etc..."
I went on the spot and told my "B" girl why in hell did she tell all that to that run-of-the-mill girl... she just answered "just idle chat on the lineup".
IDLE CHAT!!!
My friend USB, I thought we already had I nice chat about that... you pretty well know how information flies within the walls of the Infi....

WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,

I would think twice before bringing a Mexican bar girl to within 1000 miles of my home turf, especially your "X" girl. It sounds good on the surface, but consider the potential complications she "could" create for you, assuming of course that she has a passport, which most do not (Thank God!!!).

Angry Girl told me one time before she started acting-up that she was working for a company during the day, in addition to her "regular" night work as a stripper/bar girl. If she can be believed, she works for a company that was planning to bring her into the US in the future to provide contracted labor.

I believe she was possibly going to work on some kind of green card type of employment. She didn't really know when, or the particular details, and perhaps it was all pie in the sky, or bar girl lies, but according to her, it was some kind of inventory control job that relates to her day job now. Her story sounds very believable to me...

If a girl had told me this several years ago, I would have said she was crazy. But, with the immigration issues we have in this country now, and the lack of accountability shown by our politicians toward their obligation to enforce immigration laws. Neglecting their responsibility to legitimate legal immigrants, and because our politicians view a flood of illegal immigrants as a windfall to their voting districts, which is a totally self serving attitude that is contrary to their oaths of office, the likelihood of the girls actually coming eventually into the US legally to work is quite possible. Furthermore, the likeihood of the girls coming into the USA legally to work, and remaining illegally, could be as common a circumstance as the other 12 million illegal immigrants already in the US now.

I for one, do not particularly like the idea of any bar girl seeking me out here in the US, even if she loves me to death. I am quite pleased that the majority of them were at least formerly trapped in Mexico, where they can not do me any direct damage.

But, being of a naturally suspicous mind, all be it simulateously foolish with respect to my LOVE of Mexican bar girls, I have often wondered if some of the bar girls I am closest to might not contemplate "extortion" through some third party illegal immigrants that they may know here in the US. They could leverage me for cash and regalos here within the US via blackmail without too much effort, right?

The porousness of our borders makes us much more vulnerable than I would have originally imagined several years ago, and most of the girls have NO ethical convictions that would keep their designs on my bank account in check.

Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc...

She knows even my middle initial...not because I believe she wants to harm me. I just think she likes being close to me, because we austensibly have something going between us. In my heart of hearts, I give her the benefit of the doubt, possibly at my own peril if I'm wrong. I think she is just wanting to remember who I am, to be close to me like a novio, the Gringo she is loving/screwing/etc...but it could just as easily be a smart operator setting me up.

I should be taking my own advice...Carlos always warned me about letting them know too much, and getting to close to them. He always told me never to trust them. Of course, I trust them too much. Do as he says not as I do, right?

I intellectually agree with his advice, but when the girls start to get close, they also start to wonder who they are screwing, especially if it has some meaning for them. I believe in "G's" case, it is simply a sentimentally innocent female desire to be closer to me, as one of her "chosen" boyfriends. I think she desires our relationship to be something other than she endures on a nightly basis in the privados at El Infinito, and that through knowing something about me, she feels our liasons are legitimized. But, it could just as easily be a total scam.

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 03:09

Mmmm,
"At the door, she said next time would be gratis."
I never take a gratis cause if they know that you are screwing girls from other clubs... well, that's adieu to you.
Gratis to them is you getting under their control, not the other way around.
Look at my now exgirlfriend D from the night shift at the I place.
Even if I paid her she was always angry cuase she knew I had more than one girl. Imagine if I didn't pay... I would be dead or at least nutered.

USB, I've got a ticket booked for Medellin, Colombia for May 7-10. It'll be my second trip and I be more than happy to show you the ropes, mi amigo.

Wasted, I was kidding about the Au Pair route. But it is actually a legit route. In my neighborhood, an au pair just arrived from Mexico. There are five or six licensed agencies in the US that source girls from Mexico, Thailand, Brazil etc. (hmm that is a conspicuous combination of countries isn't it?)

If you ever want to contemplate the possibilities check it out... NAAAT! It cracks me up when X says that, which she does... a lot.

As for my most recent trip, last week, I had a mixed time. The previous trip was too great (meeting the three amigos, hanging with Wasted's girls at Taboo, and meeting my Obsession girl) I should have known this would be a let down.

It wasn't a total loss however. Carlos kindly let my Obsession girl know I was coming back to town for a night and tentatively arranged another unofficial salida. I arrived ahead of schedule so Carlos picked me up and we headed to Obsession. There Carlos sat with his A girl and I with my girl. I tried to get her to stay out late, but she said she couldn't. We chatted some more, and after a while her face lit up and she said, ok she can stay out late. My plan was to take her out for dinner and maybe dancing in Barrio Antiguo per Wasted's suggestion before retreating to my hotel suite for a blissful night. We agreed on a time a place to meet and Carlos and I bid the girls adieu.

Carlos dropped me at Infinito to while away the hours until my rendezvous. I wanted to see the girls I had fun with last week. Many were there, J, X, I, P, S, etc. I didn't really want to mess around with the girls since I already had a date planned. Bu tI did want to chat. So I said hi to X, who surprisingly was nicer to me this week than she was last week. She of course said she missed Wasted (who wouldn't?) and we sat and had a couple beers. I really wanted to see her friend P, whom I think is super hot. But P had the guys lining up and I only got to chat with her briefly. Too bad, I had to run to meet my date.

We met and headed off to Barrio Antiguo and found one of the few restaurants there. Lots of clubs, but few restaurants. This was on the corner from the park separating the Barrio from the Sheraton part of town. It was decent food and had a live band. I was having fun learning about my girl, her family life, her pre-club life etc. This girl is very pretty, fantastic body, and an honest person. She's new to the club business and retains a good girl attitude. After dinner we walked back to the Sheraton and had some nice chocolate fresas that the staff had delivered to my room.

Then I called her over to the desk where my computer sat, and asked her to choose the music. As she leaned over, we kissed, then embraced, then kissed some more and then the clothes started flying. Eventually I cleared the desk and feasted on her nude form atop the desk. After maybe 30 minutes, I picked her up and carried her to the bedroom and laid her down. At this point she saw the clock and looked a little panicked and said that she had to get home to her dad in 10 minutes (12:30am). I was stunned. I had assumed we had plenty of time. I trusted her enough not to bullshit me, but this was over the top. She looked really sorry, but dressed quickly. At the door, she said next time would be gratis. I think I still had a frown on my face and kissed her goodbye.

I sat around for a while feeling the blues. Then reflexively headed out for Matehuala, Givenchy and Infinito to waste the rest of the night away. I was in a dark mood and thought of the Billy Strayhorn song, Lush Life.

Romance is mush
Stifling those who strive
I'll live a lush life
In some small dive

And there I'll be
while I rot with the rest
Of those whose lives are lonely too...

We'll see where things lead next time with girl.

RtW

Member #3453

03-12-07, 03:27

RTW,

I would love to visit Medellin with you. But, one question...this is what keeps me close to home more than I would like. I have Cingular cell phone service what works in Mexico, quite well actually. I can return calls, make calls to the USA, etc...Do you know what the situation is in Medellin with regard to Cingular cell phone service? If my phone works well there, then I would seriously consider going with you. I will probably use some frequent flyer miles on Continental, which means I would fly into Houston from my home town, and then on to Medellin. I think Continental has regular service to Medellin, and that, logistically, it's the best schedule for visiting Colombia. I have been to Cartegena before, but I flew through San Jose, Costa Rica, then on to CTG through Panama. That works pretty well, but last time I went to Colombia, I was stopping off in San Jose for a day before I continued on to CTG because it broke-up the amount of time in the air. Plus, back a couple of years ago when I was visiting Costa Rica and CTG, I also had a HOT stripper girl in San Jose that I liked to visit. Anyway, if we go to Medellin, the direct flights from Houston make the detour to San Jose unnecessary. I don't know about Cali. I think there may be more direct flights available to Cali these days too through Continental. I hear that Cali has a pretty good outcall and "terma" scene, similar to Rio, but slightly different. So, Cali might be interesting as well.

I know this is the Mexico forum, but give me your impressions of Medellin to peak my interest further.

USB, I've got a ticket booked for Medellin, Colombia for May 7-10. It'll be my second trip and I be more than happy to show you the ropes, mi amigo.

Wasted, I was kidding about the Au Pair route. But it is actually a legit route. In my neighborhood, an au pair just arrived from Mexico. There are five or six licensed agencies in the US that source girls from Mexico, Thailand, Brazil etc. (hmm that is a conspicuous combination of countries isn't it?)

If you ever want to contemplate the possibilities check it out... NAAAT! It cracks me up when X says that, which she does... a lot.

As for my most recent trip, last week, I had a mixed time. The previous trip was too great (meeting the three amigos, hanging with Wasted's girls at Taboo, and meeting my Obsession girl) I should have known this would be a let down.

It wasn't a total loss however. Carlos kindly let my Obsession girl know I was coming back to town for a night and tentatively arranged another unofficial salida. I arrived ahead of schedule so Carlos picked me up and we headed to Obsession. There Carlos sat with his A girl and I with my girl. I tried to get her to stay out late, but she said she couldn't. We chatted some more, and after a while her face lit up and she said, ok she can stay out late. My plan was to take her out for dinner and maybe dancing in Barrio Antiguo per Wasted's suggestion before retreating to my hotel suite for a blissful night. We agreed on a time a place to meet and Carlos and I bid the girls adieu.

Carlos dropped me at Infinito to while away the hours until my rendezvous. I wanted to see the girls I had fun with last week. Many were there, J, X, I, P, S, etc. I didn't really want to mess around with the girls since I already had a date planned. Bu tI did want to chat. So I said hi to X, who surprisingly was nicer to me this week than she was last week. She of course said she missed Wasted (who wouldn't?) and we sat and had a couple beers. I really wanted to see her friend P, whom I think is super hot. But P had the guys lining up and I only got to chat with her briefly. Too bad, I had to run to meet my date.

We met and headed off to Barrio Antiguo and found one of the few restaurants there. Lots of clubs, but few restaurants. This was on the corner from the park separating the Barrio from the Sheraton part of town. It was decent food and had a live band. I was having fun learning about my girl, her family life, her pre-club life etc. This girl is very pretty, fantastic body, and an honest person. She's new to the club business and retains a good girl attitude. After dinner we walked back to the Sheraton and had some nice chocolate fresas that the staff had delivered to my room.

Then I called her over to the desk where my computer sat, and asked her to choose the music. As she leaned over, we kissed, then embraced, then kissed some more and then the clothes started flying. Eventually I cleared the desk and feasted on her nude form atop the desk. After maybe 30 minutes, I picked her up and carried her to the bedroom and laid her down. At this point she saw the clock and looked a little panicked and said that she had to get home to her dad in 10 minutes (12:30am). I was stunned. I had assumed we had plenty of time. I trusted her enough not to bullshit me, but this was over the top. She looked really sorry, but dressed quickly. At the door, she said next time would be gratis. I think I still had a frown on my face and kissed her goodbye.

I sat around for a while feeling the blues. Then reflexively headed out for Matehuala, Givenchy and Infinito to waste the rest of the night away. I was in a dark mood and thought of the Billy Strayhorn song, Lush Life.

Romance is mush
Stifling those who strive
I'll live a lush life
In some small dive

And there I'll be
while I rot with the rest
Of those whose lives are lonely too...

We'll see where things lead next time with girl.

RtW

Member #3453

03-12-07, 03:57

I know it's foolish for them to know too much, but when they snap your picture because they want to gaze upon your handsome face and chiseled muscular (clothed) physique (hardy har har), and you're standing across the room, unaware of their intentions, there isn't much you can do. I couldn't very well back hand her across the face and snatch the phone out of her hand, verdad! :-)

And, when your luggage has your name plasted all over it, and she just looks at it out of curiosity, what can you do? Plus, she is sure that I know her full name, taking great pains that I remember her full name, hinting that we have some kind of lasting bond...and, foolishly, I guess we do...at least for now.

Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." She has hidden things from me, things that I have discoverd were...well, not lies, but deceptions. They were deceptions designed to keep me from being jealous of her, and to maintain my lofty opinion of her. Deceptions that she eventually had to explain fully. I believe her, but with tempered judgemnt. I never totally accept the explanations of a bar girl as being 100% truthful.

I think she really does value our "relationship," at least at this juncture. But, the lesson I've learned from Angry Girl is just how quickly things can turn ugly...then what??? right?

I hope my "relationship" with "G" will last a while, but I have this feeling she will possibly become disenchanted with putting legitimate effort into a deadend relationship, even if we both have deep affection for each other.

In an effort to keep from hurting her, and because she is my close friend, I have already set her straight as to the potential for any future anything with me.

I already sense that she is weighing the wisdom of time invested with no potential legitimate payback. She has already told me that she believes that she herself is crazy, but that she can't help it. It's kind of nice being the object of such legitimate affection, but I do not expect this to last much longer.

On the other hand, were I in a position to legitimize what we have, I would be extremely reluctant to do so, for no other reason than her work history at El Infinito, and her willingness to get what she needs in life by selling her body. But, were she a legitimate "good girl," with no bar girl background, she would be one hell of a great girlfriend. I have never received quite the level of affection from any other bar girl, not Worldwide. So, when it ends, I will feel the loss.

Que Lastima...but, on the other hand, if it ends, I am free once again, right? I have everything to gain, and nothing to lose, unless of course she is setting me up, which I doubt. I just hope when it's all over and done with, we will be good friends, and that things will not go as they did with Angry Girl.

But, honestly, I don't want it to end...I like it too much!

What the hell is this????
Iam really dissapointed to read this:
"Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc..."
My friend, I know you trust G but you know quite well that in this day and age every bit of information can not be left to random possibilites just like that.
You have an idea of how many times the bar girls lose their phones???
You have an idea how they exchange information between themselves?
Just yesterday I got to the Infinito... one of the girls I say hello too, told me the following: "wow, "B" told me you are hot, f***g hot... and look at you, who would ever think that you had so many girlfriends, blah blah etc etc..."
I went on the spot and told my "B" girl why in hell did she tell all that to that run-of-the-mill girl... she just answered "just idle chat on the lineup".
IDLE CHAT!!!
My friend USB, I thought we already had I nice chat about that... you pretty well know how information flies within the walls of the Infi....

El Cabron 007

03-12-07, 04:07

But we're absolutely sane. That's what David bowie said. One of my favorite songs.

No USB. I am crazy, yes. But in no way am I stupid. No, X will never enter my house. No way in hell. No, no y no.

To my surprise, someone is sending me a link on how to get an Au Pair. LOL. I laughed so hard. That is funny.

OK. Now back to your trip. Do I have the itch? Nope. Funny how things are shaping for me. When I think of MTY now, I think of my girls. I haven't started to miss them yet. Oddly, when I think of MTY, I have a line up. I no longer have a girl in the Obsession. I never had any in Prestige (Carlos, you are correct. No regulars for me there) and I had enough of my "S". I fulfilled my fantasy with "P" and it will be a while until I start missing "X". So there. I may start to get the itch soon. But for now, I am not looking at any dates. Although Mr. "L" is tempting me with his 'When' inquiries.

The solution would probably be getting me new girls. Remember our 'Familiarity and Addiction' discussion. It is way too much work to start a new relationship with those girls. I stick to the ones I know but now it is getting too old. I am dazed & confused.

USB, did you really think I would bring "X" to my hometown, yet alone to my house? You must be crazy to believe such and idea. Carlos never replied to my questions knowing fully well that the entire idea is just simply..... absurd.

And, I think you are worse than me. You are more frequently going down than I am. For a while, I thought I was the most frequent visitor to MTY but you've proved me wrong. I think the only one gaining here is Carlos. He is good company and I know he enjoys being with us because he is a good friend. I think you should slow down USB.

Wasted

WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,

Member #3453

03-12-07, 04:32

No, WastedG, I figured that you were merely joking about your "X" girl. But, the potential that these girls could start to infiltrate into the States has very real potential as the job market and immigration policy continues to change between the US and Mexico. The politics of immigration in both countries is in a State of flux.

With regard to your title "We are absolute beginners...," I do not agree. Personally, I think we are growing tired of the environment because we are absolute veterans, old soldiers that are growing tired.

Regardling things growing a bit too familiar, and the same old girls becoming "old" for us. I was experiencing the same kind of thing before "G" came along. Until she came along a couple of months ago, I had started to grow a little bored with the girls in Monterrey. I used to look forward to returning because I had one or two particular girls in mind that I really wanted to see again. But, now, if it were not for "G," I would have none. Of course, I always looked forward to visiting with Carlos and my visting amigos in Monterrey. But, let's face it, we are there for the girls.

If the girl are having trouble holding our attention, they are all in for some austere times I fear. Remember, we are taking them on salida, contributing to their bank accounts with easy money, money they enjoy earning because they like being with us. If we leave the market for several months at a time, then they are back to giving their emotionless, cold, clinical table dances and full service in the privados. Remember, their regular clients, even the ones that take them on salida, do not treat them like we do. If we grow tired of them, they are the losers. We can go to any venue, and have any woman we want.

I have visited Monterrey almost every month now for the past five years, usually a week at a time. Of course, I always enjoy Carlos' company, and I thoroughly enjoy meeting new friends, and old ones, from the board.

But, the girls, at least until very recently, were starting to get kind of routine and stale for me. I had even told Carlos that I was going to cut back my visits to maybe once every two or three months, mostly a result of budgetary constraints, but also because I was growing a little tired of the environment.

There has been very little change in Monterrey lately. There aren't many new girls in the clubs. You will find a few now and then, but not too many. I also find the attitude of the girls in the clubs to have gradually changed slightly over the past five years. Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.

Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him.

That's one reason I am entertaining the idea of going to another venue for a change. It's much more difficult for me to arrange the travel to Asia because of time constraints, and even travel to Central America has it's complications. But, I think a change of pace might be interesting, provided I can logistically arrange it on the home front with some degree of believability as an excuse to travel.

No...I am returning to Monterrey to see "G." She is a good GFE, and she delivers what I like. I figured it will not last forever, so I am returning to capitalize on it while it lasts. Once it's over, or once she tires of me, or visa versa, then I will probably cut back my travel to Monterrey. But for now, I have March and April booked. The month of May might find me in Colombia with RTW, provided I can swing it on the home front.

But we're absolutely sane. That's what David bowie said. One of my favorite songs.

No USB. I am crazy, yes. But in no way am I stupid. No, X will never enter my house. No way in hell. No, no y no.

To my surprise, someone is sending me a link on how to get an Au Pair. LOL. I laughed so hard. That is funny.

OK. Now back to your trip. Do I have the itch? Nope. Funny how things are shaping for me. When I think of MTY now, I think of my girls. I haven't started to miss them yet. Oddly, when I think of MTY, I have a line up. I no longer have a girl in the Obsession. I never had any in Prestige (Carlos, you are correct. No regulars for me there) and I had enough of my "S". I fulfilled my fantasy with "P" and it will be a while until I start missing "X". So there. I may start to get the itch soon. But for now, I am not looking at any dates. Although Mr. "L" is tempting me with his 'When' inquiries.

The solution would probably be getting me new girls. Remember our 'Familiarity and Addiction' discussion. It is way too much work to start a new relationship with those girls. I stick to the ones I know but now it is getting too old. I am dazed & confused.

USB, did you really think I would bring "X" to my hometown, yet alone to my house? You must be crazy to believe such and idea. Carlos never replied to my questions knowing fully well that the entire idea is just simply..... absurd.

And, I think you are worse than me. You are more frequently going down than I am. For a while, I thought I was the most frequent visitor to MTY but you've proved me wrong. I think the only one gaining here is Carlos. He is good company and I know he enjoys being with us because he is a good friend. I think you should slow down USB.

Wasted

Member #3453

03-12-07, 04:59

Well, I do live by a creek...but, no trailer, but there are a number of trailer dwellers living in the County :-) does that count?

The I live "Down on the Farm" sounds a lot like the Chris Farley character line "live down by the river in a trailer van..."

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Member #3453

03-12-07, 05:07

Also, one other point...no other visitors to Monterrey have quite the familiarity with these girls that we have. We know them by name, actual given name, we know them by personality, we know what they like and don't like, sexually, emotionally, we get asked to hang-out with them, to their casas, we get to go with them to blow off steam...and on and on.

Carlos will tell you, most of the random visitors to Monterrey that are Gringos blow into town, in and out, screwing the girls in the clubs and not on salida. We are truly a breed apart, IMHO. Between us three, there are probably no better experts on the subject of MTY than we three. If I am an expert on the subject of MTY and salidas, it is strictly a result of frequent experience. The point is, we have saturated the venue to the inth degree. It is undoubtedly one reason we are growing bored with it.

But, in order to boast of such familiarity, one must visit MTY regularly. Nobody comes close to Carlos because he lives there, but we two, you and I WastedG, are next in line due to the frequency at which we practice our craft in MTY. But, it takes that frequency to have the kind of intimate knowledge that we have about the girls individually. That is also why we are probably the Gringos with absolute best session stats around. But also...with familiarity comes "routine boredom."

For that reason, the idea that I am frequenting MTY too often crossed my mind several months ago. I think that the remedy probably is to slow down a little as you suggested. But first, I have to wear out the "G" spot.

No, WastedG, I figured that you were merely joking about your "X" girl. But, the potential that these girls could start to infiltrate into the States has very real potential as the job market and immigration policy continues to change between the US and Mexico. The politics of immigration in both countries is in a State of flux.

With regard to your title "We are absolute beginners...," I do not agree. Personally, I think we are growing tired of the environment because we are absolute veterans, old soldiers that are growing tired.

Regardling things growing a bit too familiar, and the same old girls becoming "old" for us. I was experiencing the same kind of thing before "G" came along. Until she came along a couple of months ago, I had started to grow a little bored with the girls in Monterrey. I used to look forward to returning because I had one or two particular girls in mind that I really wanted to see again. But, now, if it were not for "G," I would have none. Of course, I always looked forward to visiting with Carlos and my visting amigos in Monterrey. But, let's face it, we are there for the girls.

If the girl are having trouble holding our attention, they are all in for some austere times I fear. Remember, we are taking them on salida, contributing to their bank accounts with easy money, money they enjoy earning because they like being with us. If we leave the market for several months at a time, then they are back to giving their emotionless, cold, clinical table dances and full service in the privados. Remember, their regular clients, even the ones that take them on salida, do not treat them like we do. If we grow tired of them, they are the losers. We can go to any venue, and have any woman we want.

I have visited Monterrey almost every month now for the past five years, usually a week at a time. Of course, I always enjoy Carlos' company, and I thoroughly enjoy meeting new friends, and old ones, from the board.

But, the girls, at least until very recently, were starting to get kind of routine and stale for me. I had even told Carlos that I was going to cut back my visits to maybe once every two or three months, mostly a result of budgetary constraints, but also because I was growing a little tired of the environment.

There has been very little change in Monterrey lately. There aren't many new girls in the clubs. You will find a few now and then, but not too many. I also find the attitude of the girls in the clubs to have gradually changed slightly over the past five years. Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.

Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him.

That's one reason I am entertaining the idea of going to another venue for a change. It's much more difficult for me to arrange the travel to Asia because of time constraints, and even travel to Central America has it's complications. But, I think a change of pace might be interesting, provided I can logistically arrange it on the home front with some degree of believability as an excuse to travel.

No...I am returning to Monterrey to see "G." She is a good GFE, and she delivers what I like. I figured it will not last forever, so I am returning to capitalize on it while it lasts. Once it's over, or once she tires of me, or visa versa, then I will probably cut back my travel to Monterrey. But for now, I have March and April booked. The month of May might find me in Colombia with RTW, provided I can swing it on the home front.

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 05:10

USB says: "Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." "

Mmmm... trust.
You don't have an idea what is for a working girl calling you home. It happened to me once some 23-25 years ago.
Not just one, several.
I was a bachelor yet, but I had something worse at home, a mother that nearly cut off my balls when she learned what the girls were and what realationship I had with them.
How were they able to reach me? Remember this is a time there were no cell phones so I foolishly gave my number to a couple of them.
This is going to sound not so good, but the word "trust" is not part of the vocabulary I use with the club girls.

I know it's foolish for them to know too much, but when they snap your picture because they want to gaze upon your handsome face and chiseled muscular (clothed) physique (hardy har har), and you're standing across the room, unaware of their intentions, there isn't much you can do. I couldn't very well back hand her across the face and snatch the phone out of her hand, verdad! :-)

And, when your luggage has your name plasted all over it, and she just looks at it out of curiosity, what can you do? Plus, she is sure that I know her full name, taking great pains that I remember her full name, hinting that we have some kind of lasting bond...and, foolishly, I guess we do...at least for now.

Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." She has hidden things from me, things that I have discoverd were...well, not lies, but deceptions. They were deceptions designed to keep me from being jealous of her, and to maintain my lofty opinion of her. Deceptions that she eventually had to explain fully. I believe her, but with tempered judgemnt. I never totally accept the explanations of a bar girl as being 100% truthful.

I think she really does value our "relationship," at least at this juncture. But, the lesson I've learned from Angry Girl is just how quickly things can turn ugly...then what??? right?

I hope my "relationship" with "G" will last a while, but I have this feeling she will possibly become disenchanted with putting legitimate effort into a deadend relationship, even if we both have deep affection for each other.

In an effort to keep from hurting her, and because she is my close friend, I have already set her straight as to the potential for any future anything with me.

I already sense that she is weighing the wisdom of time invested with no potential legitimate payback. She has already told me that she believes that she herself is crazy, but that she can't help it. It's kind of nice being the object of such legitimate affection, but I do not expect this to last much longer.

On the other hand, were I in a position to legitimize what we have, I would be extremely reluctant to do so, for no other reason than her work history at El Infinito, and her willingness to get what she needs in life by selling her body. But, were she a legitimate "good girl," with no bar girl background, she would be one hell of a great girlfriend. I have never received quite the level of affection from any other bar girl, not Worldwide. So, when it ends, I will feel the loss.

Que Lastima...but, on the other hand, if it ends, I am free once again, right? I have everything to gain, and nothing to lose, unless of course she is setting me up, which I doubt. I just hope when it's all over and done with, we will be good friends, and that things will not go as they did with Angry Girl.

But, honestly, I don't want it to end...I like it too much!

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 05:13

Well said Wasted... the company of great gentlemen like USB, W, LK, RTW and others is invalueable....

But we're absolutely sane. That's what David bowie said. One of my favorite songs.

No USB. I am crazy, yes. But in no way am I stupid. No, X will never enter my house. No way in hell. No, no y no.

To my surprise, someone is sending me a link on how to get an Au Pair. LOL. I laughed so hard. That is funny.

OK. Now back to your trip. Do I have the itch? Nope. Funny how things are shaping for me. When I think of MTY now, I think of my girls. I haven't started to miss them yet. Oddly, when I think of MTY, I have a line up. I no longer have a girl in the Obsession. I never had any in Prestige (Carlos, you are correct. No regulars for me there) and I had enough of my "S". I fulfilled my fantasy with "P" and it will be a while until I start missing "X". So there. I may start to get the itch soon. But for now, I am not looking at any dates. Although Mr. "L" is tempting me with his 'When' inquiries.

The solution would probably be getting me new girls. Remember our 'Familiarity and Addiction' discussion. It is way too much work to start a new relationship with those girls. I stick to the ones I know but now it is getting too old. I am dazed & confused.

USB, did you really think I would bring "X" to my hometown, yet alone to my house? You must be crazy to believe such and idea. Carlos never replied to my questions knowing fully well that the entire idea is just simply..... absurd.

And, I think you are worse than me. You are more frequently going down than I am. For a while, I thought I was the most frequent visitor to MTY but you've proved me wrong. I think the only one gaining here is Carlos. He is good company and I know he enjoys being with us because he is a good friend. I think you should slow down USB.

Wasted

Member #3453

03-12-07, 05:23

Good Advice again...but, I do not trust any of them with my true circumstances. It is one of the reasons I keep that informaton close to the vest. As for phone numbers, she only has my "GO" phone number. But, of course, with familiarity, they can, if they are of a devious mind, find out all they want about us. You are in the most danger however because you live in MTY...but, you knew that.

USB says: "Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." "

Mmmm... trust.
You don't have an idea what is for a working girl calling you home. It happened to me once some 23-25 years ago.
Not just one, several.
I was a bachelor yet, but I had something worse at home, a mother that nearly cut off my balls when she learned what the girls were and what realationship I had with them.
How were they able to reach me? Remember this is a time there were no cell phones so I foolishly gave my number to a couple of them.
This is going to sound not so good, but the word "trust" is not part of the vocabulary I use with the club girls.

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 05:33

No no no..
"Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.
Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him. "

This is completly wrong.... this is not true. Seldom does a club girl has a lifespan of more than 2 years, with some exceptions. 5 years and more yes, but those are girls that never had our attention in the first place.
The thing is that we close ourselves so much on one certain type of girl, that when we find it and make it ours, we tend not to look for more.
And USB is more of a witness to this in my case and Wasted and USB are also witness to my pledge that I would not stick to just one girl as I used to do.
You guys have seen me deal dynamicly with more than one now at the clubs, opposed to what I used to do 2 years ago, when I only had a total of one or 2 girls in all the clubs, girls that got my exclusive undivided attention.
Now I tell them openly "I go everywhere and you'll won't be my only girlfriend... take it or leave it".
USB tends to stick to one and doing that, others go past you right in front of your eyes. When you try to get to them it is already too late to try to reach them.
In this case familiarty is your enemy.
One case in mind is Linda from the Harem... I always craved for Linda, but she was so popular that she never ever was free and only high rollers got her.
Now that she is past her time and no longer the novelty, and pay attention boys, I don't want her any more or I can't be with her any more cause we have seen each other so many times and she know that I go for other girls (even if we don't speak, the girls always case you) that there could be no sparks between each other.
This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves.
You guys get it????

No, WastedG, I figured that you were merely joking about your "X" girl. But, the potential that these girls could start to infiltrate into the States has very real potential as the job market and immigration policy continues to change between the US and Mexico. The politics of immigration in both countries is in a State of flux.

With regard to your title "We are absolute beginners...," I do not agree. Personally, I think we are growing tired of the environment because we are absolute veterans, old soldiers that are growing tired.

Regardling things growing a bit too familiar, and the same old girls becoming "old" for us. I was experiencing the same kind of thing before "G" came along. Until she came along a couple of months ago, I had started to grow a little bored with the girls in Monterrey. I used to look forward to returning because I had one or two particular girls in mind that I really wanted to see again. But, now, if it were not for "G," I would have none. Of course, I always looked forward to visiting with Carlos and my visting amigos in Monterrey. But, let's face it, we are there for the girls.

If the girl are having trouble holding our attention, they are all in for some austere times I fear. Remember, we are taking them on salida, contributing to their bank accounts with easy money, money they enjoy earning because they like being with us. If we leave the market for several months at a time, then they are back to giving their emotionless, cold, clinical table dances and full service in the privados. Remember, their regular clients, even the ones that take them on salida, do not treat them like we do. If we grow tired of them, they are the losers. We can go to any venue, and have any woman we want.

I have visited Monterrey almost every month now for the past five years, usually a week at a time. Of course, I always enjoy Carlos' company, and I thoroughly enjoy meeting new friends, and old ones, from the board.

But, the girls, at least until very recently, were starting to get kind of routine and stale for me. I had even told Carlos that I was going to cut back my visits to maybe once every two or three months, mostly a result of budgetary constraints, but also because I was growing a little tired of the environment.

There has been very little change in Monterrey lately. There aren't many new girls in the clubs. You will find a few now and then, but not too many. I also find the attitude of the girls in the clubs to have gradually changed slightly over the past five years. Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.

Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him.

That's one reason I am entertaining the idea of going to another venue for a change. It's much more difficult for me to arrange the travel to Asia because of time constraints, and even travel to Central America has it's complications. But, I think a change of pace might be interesting, provided I can logistically arrange it on the home front with some degree of believability as an excuse to travel.

No...I am returning to Monterrey to see "G." She is a good GFE, and she delivers what I like. I figured it will not last forever, so I am returning to capitalize on it while it lasts. Once it's over, or once she tires of me, or visa versa, then I will probably cut back my travel to Monterrey. But for now, I have March and April booked. The month of May might find me in Colombia with RTW, provided I can swing it on the home front.

Round the World

03-12-07, 07:52

Good point, Carlos. If you go by the O place Monday, say hi to her for me. Also find out the name of that hot new 18 yr old! :)

Although I'll be in Mexico this week, I doubt that I can swing by MTY. It's probably time to take a break from the scene, at least for a little while anyway.

Mmmm,
"At the door, she said next time would be gratis."
I never take a gratis cause if they know that you are screwing girls from other clubs... well, that's adieu to you.
Gratis to them is you getting under their control, not the other way around.
Look at my now exgirlfriend D from the night shift at the I place.
Even if I paid her she was always angry cuase she knew I had more than one girl. Imagine if I didn't pay... I would be dead or at least nutered.

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 09:42

What hot 18 year old????

Good point, Carlos. If you go by the O place Monday, say hi to her for me. Also find out the name of that hot new 18 yr old! :)

Although I'll be in Mexico this week, I doubt that I can swing by MTY. It's probably time to take a break from the scene, at least for a little while anyway.

El Cabron 007

03-12-07, 12:39

I repeat and I insist .. We are absolute beginners. But we're absolutely sane.

We maybe veterans compared to others, true. But when it comes to knowing it all, I think we have much to learn.

Carlos says: "This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves." .. I never really used the phrase 'getting on my nerves'. But now that I think about it. I guess it's true. I know for a fact now that I need me a new line up. It can be from the same place, and why not, but a totally new line. I started going that route a few visits ago, but it did not work out. I was not disappointed, but I was satisfied so I stayed with what I had. Now is the time to get a new flock, if I may use Carlos' word. I have my eyes on 2 girls at the "I" place that I already know and sampled but never fully perused. Although "X" girl is still hot and I have not had my fill with her yet. But I did have my fill with "P" and "S".

And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. Although Carlos has got it down to an art. I may not share his taste of women, but he knows how to handle the girls and how to play their games. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through. Each one of us has different approach and we all have limited time to bake our cake and eat it. With such limitations, add to it the language barrier, we are still children in a candy store. We do not know what's bad for us. It all looks great on the outside. But we still chose to bite whatever comes our way only to find out that what looked sweet turned out to be sour. Then again, we all have different goals. The 'fun of the experience' is one of my goals but I only hope that biting the wrong apple will not end me up in hell.

Wasted

No no no..
"Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.

This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves.
You guys get it????

Member #3453

03-12-07, 13:19

Well, most of those girls working in the Prestige, and yes, even in the Infinito, Matehuela, etc...have been there quite a long time. And, of course, the girls move between clubs as well.

Maybe you are correct with respect to it being less than five years between a transition of girls. And, yes, perhaps it just seems like five years because some of them have been at it a very long time.

I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs, but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in. Of course, perhaps you are right, perhaps I need to broaden my horizons. I am open to that, but only where I feel reasonably certain that I will be able to acheive the desired effect without spending gobs of money on girls trying to find out if they are "my" type.

I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide.

With respect to openly dealing with more than one girl. Remember, it is the single damaging element in my "fight" with Angry Girl, who is no longer available to me as a consequence. The initial altercation between us would not have exacerbated into its present form had I not started taking hords of other girls upstairs and bar fining them right under her nose. So, it can backfire. In her case, it doesn't matter to me, but it can cause you to lose the one you are particular "satisfied" with, depending on the girl.

Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing. My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money.

I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price. So, for me, I think I have been spoiled, always seeking out an anomaly within a venue that has few of my "preferred" types of girls and experiences for the money.

No no no..
"Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.
Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him. "

This is completly wrong.... this is not true. Seldom does a club girl has a lifespan of more than 2 years, with some exceptions. 5 years and more yes, but those are girls that never had our attention in the first place.
The thing is that we close ourselves so much on one certain type of girl, that when we find it and make it ours, we tend not to look for more.
And USB is more of a witness to this in my case and Wasted and USB are also witness to my pledge that I would not stick to just one girl as I used to do.
You guys have seen me deal dynamicly with more than one now at the clubs, opposed to what I used to do 2 years ago, when I only had a total of one or 2 girls in all the clubs, girls that got my exclusive undivided attention.
Now I tell them openly "I go everywhere and you'll won't be my only girlfriend... take it or leave it".
USB tends to stick to one and doing that, others go past you right in front of your eyes. When you try to get to them it is already too late to try to reach them.
In this case familiarty is your enemy.
One case in mind is Linda from the Harem... I always craved for Linda, but she was so popular that she never ever was free and only high rollers got her.
Now that she is past her time and no longer the novelty, and pay attention boys, I don't want her any more or I can't be with her any more cause we have seen each other so many times and she know that I go for other girls (even if we don't speak, the girls always case you) that there could be no sparks between each other.
This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves.
You guys get it????

Member #3453

03-12-07, 13:55

I accept your premise that you believe yourself to be an absolute beginner, but in my eyes, you do not conduct yourself like anything but an expert, nor does the quality of your sessions reveal that conclusion.

I still contend that we are veterans, experts, whatever, and vastly ahead of the game compared to the hords of Gringos that come to Monterrey. In my case, I have Carlos to thank, and of course, observations of the various tactics, successes, and failures of my amigos, not to mention my own successes and failures.

WastedG, we visit Monterrey, the both of us, so frequently, that we are almost a fixture in the clubs. So, because of our frequency, I consider us to be almost as "enlightened" as some of the locals. Plus, many of the locals do not participate in salidas. We are probably some of the most experienced in that area. Salidas are not common in Monterrey.

WastedG says, "And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through."

I don't mean that we have nothing to learn. Certainly, we all have something to learn, if for no other reason that to understand the female mind, which for most males is incomprehensible. But, with respect to the Monterrey venue, the games, etc...I think we understand, in expert terms, what is generally going on. Whether we choose to act on that knowledge in a certain way is merely a matter of differing styles.

With respect to the dilemmas you mention...

Most of the dilemmas I go through are because of my expectations for the Monterrey venue, expectations that I have projected onto a venue that does not compare to what I have experienced elsewhere. It is the fault of the venue, and not a fault of ours that we are experiencing these issues.

Ask anyone that regularly visits worldwide venues. Ask them to compare TJ or Monterrey, or anything to be experienced in Mexico compared to other worldwide venues, and they will tell you in harsh terms of comparison just how poor Mexico is.

In my case, I have been able to find a similiar quality of experience to the preferred worldwide venues, but only after a signficant amount of searching, and loads of money. Yes, we have a lot to learn in order to make things happen in Monterrey the way we want them to happen. But, there is an old saying..."you can not make a silk purse out of sows ear." Monterrey is still Mexico, and attitudes, relative affluence compared to other third world venues, format, etc...are all contributing against us.

If we experience "issues" in Monterrey, it is on account of the venue itself, and not neccessarily something we ourselves are contributing to. This, all this harsh criticism, coming from a guy that loves MTY.

I repeat and I insist .. We are absolute beginners. But we're absolutely sane.

We maybe veterans compared to others, true. But when it comes to knowing it all, I think we have much to learn.

Carlos says: "This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves." .. I never really used the phrase 'getting on my nerves'. But now that I think about it. I guess it's true. I know for a fact now that I need me a new line up. It can be from the same place, and why not, but a totally new line. I started going that route a few visits ago, but it did not work out. I was not disappointed, but I was satisfied so I stayed with what I had. Now is the time to get a new flock, if I may use Carlos' word. I have my eyes on 2 girls at the "I" place that I already know and sampled but never fully perused. Although "X" girl is still hot and I have not had my fill with her yet. But I did have my fill with "P" and "S".

And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. Although Carlos has got it down to an art. I may not share his taste of women, but he knows how to handle the girls and how to play their games. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through. Each one of us has different approach and we all have limited time to bake our cake and eat it. With such limitations, add to it the language barrier, we are still children in a candy store. We do not know what's bad for us. It all looks great on the outside. But we still chose to bite whatever comes our way only to find out that what looked sweet turned out to be sour. Then again, we all have different goals. The 'fun of the experience' is one of my goals but I only hope that biting the wrong apple will not end me up in hell.

Wasted

Round the World

03-12-07, 16:01

she was at the O place dancing onstage while I waited for my girl. pretty face and pigtails I think.

What hot 18 year old????

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 17:54

I still draw a blank...
Could it be Josselyn?
If it is, just stick to "A"... Josselyn is cousin to the one and only Esmeralda, the greatest Diva the Obsss has seen and she has taught Josselyn quite well in the ways of exploiting the customer in exchange of nothing....

she was at the O place dancing onstage while I waited for my girl. pretty face and pigtails I think.

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 21:45

USB says:
"Ask anyone that regularly visits worldwide venues. Ask them to compare TJ or Monterrey, or anything to be experienced in Mexico compared to other worldwide venues, and they will tell you in harsh terms of comparison just how poor Mexico is. "

So what? (My catch phrase, again)
Being local I can only say one thing: Thank God we are not like other venues, cause that would mean that Mexico would be all screwed up, down the drain, the pits...
And you have to be totally realistic... you just can't compare SEA with Mexico as you can't compare Mexico with Colombia or with Brazil.
The same way you can't compare Phillipines with Thailand or Thailand with Indonesia....
It's impossible, period.

I accept your premise that you believe yourself to be an absolute beginner, but in my eyes, you do not conduct yourself like anything but an expert, nor does the quality of your sessions reveal that conclusion.

I still contend that we are veterans, experts, whatever, and vastly ahead of the game compared to the hords of Gringos that come to Monterrey. In my case, I have Carlos to thank, and of course, observations of the various tactics, successes, and failures of my amigos, not to mention my own successes and failures.

WastedG, we visit Monterrey, the both of us, so frequently, that we are almost a fixture in the clubs. So, because of our frequency, I consider us to be almost as "enlightened" as some of the locals. Plus, many of the locals do not participate in salidas. We are probably some of the most experienced in that area. Salidas are not common in Monterrey.

WastedG says, "And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through."

I don't mean that we have nothing to learn. Certainly, we all have something to learn, if for no other reason that to understand the female mind, which for most males is incomprehensible. But, with respect to the Monterrey venue, the games, etc...I think we understand, in expert terms, what is generally going on. Whether we choose to act on that knowledge in a certain way is merely a matter of differing styles.

With respect to the dilemmas you mention...

Most of the dilemmas I go through are because of my expectations for the Monterrey venue, expectations that I have projected onto a venue that does not compare to what I have experienced elsewhere. It is the fault of the venue, and not a fault of ours that we are experiencing these issues.

Ask anyone that regularly visits worldwide venues. Ask them to compare TJ or Monterrey, or anything to be experienced in Mexico compared to other worldwide venues, and they will tell you in harsh terms of comparison just how poor Mexico is.

In my case, I have been able to find a similiar quality of experience to the preferred worldwide venues, but only after a signficant amount of searching, and loads of money. Yes, we have a lot to learn in order to make things happen in Monterrey the way we want them to happen. But, there is an old saying..."you can not make a silk purse out of sows ear." Monterrey is still Mexico, and attitudes, relative affluence compared to other third world venues, format, etc...are all contributing against us.

If we experience "issues" in Monterrey, it is on account of the venue itself, and not neccessarily something we ourselves are contributing to. This, all this harsh criticism, coming from a guy that loves MTY.

MonterreyDude

03-12-07, 22:15

Am gonna love this (cause USB is gonna kill me):

USB says:"I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs"
No you don't.

USB sasy: ""but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in."
Carlos: Cause you are not looking, you are thinking only on the one you have on hand. You are looking at the bird in the hand not the 2 dozen options in the bush.

USB: "I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide."
Carlos: Am gonna bet, that if you were to go to those "other venues" on a regular basis as you do to Monterrey, you'll be feelling the same as you are of Monterrey.

USB: "Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing."
Carlos: Not me.... am not missing anything.

USB says: "My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money."
Carlos: Once again: Of course they are more attentive... they NEED the money and locals are as screwed up as the economy, so they can only get it from one source.

USB says: I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price."
Carlos: So, why are Wasted, RTH, me, and others, getting that here in Monterrey???
OK, not me, I have a deadly advantage over all of you.

This is the best part, the one you are going to hate me for: The girls already know you quite well and they already know you are not a good customer. I just realized that reading this post.
"Not good" in the sense that they have you well measured as one that will only go for one and nothing else, and they know pretty well that you'll go for a salida and not spread money around.
Why do they know this? Cause they gossip till they drop and know what you are looking for.
(See, I told you should not talk to girls more than necesary)
Of course Wasted and me keep the girls on their toes, not knowing who we are going to pick and who in totally cold blood, are gonna ignore. So we are not predictable....
I had a talk with Tanya at the I place. She asked me once why is it that Mr, L doesnt take her out anymore... told her it was her fault, that she stood up Mr. L once.
She just started ranting that she was busy, that her sister was sick, that a flood had taken her money away, excuses excuses.... but one thing is for certain, that after that talk, she started to sit with Wasted trying to get the attention back....
T girl thought she had control over Mr. L... the moment she realizes it is not true, she has to beg to get back in the circle.
But it's too late, right Wasted???
Look at me at the Harem: I pay a salida. All the girls are shocked (me too). I forgot to mention the they even called my girl why we were doing the wild thing ("what are you doing!!!!").
At the Casino I sit with 2 ugly girls. Next thing, several girls ask me why the f**k am I doing that... so am back in their radar screens as a missle that might target them.
Back to USB: the girls at "other venues" are desperate for money. Here, money yes, but not desperate, so they have time enough to give us a check up.... are we worth it or not. Should they "waste" precious time with us, see if we are worth it or not... and such and such.
Notice they use that word and a lot "wasting time" on us. I don't let them do it, it's the other way around.... they are making us waste time so they better be good with us.

Well, most of those girls working in the Prestige, and yes, even in the Infinito, Matehuela, etc...have been there quite a long time. And, of course, the girls move between clubs as well.

Maybe you are correct with respect to it being less than five years between a transition of girls. And, yes, perhaps it just seems like five years because some of them have been at it a very long time.

I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs, but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in. Of course, perhaps you are right, perhaps I need to broaden my horizons. I am open to that, but only where I feel reasonably certain that I will be able to acheive the desired effect without spending gobs of money on girls trying to find out if they are "my" type.

I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide.

With respect to openly dealing with more than one girl. Remember, it is the single damaging element in my "fight" with Angry Girl, who is no longer available to me as a consequence. The initial altercation between us would not have exacerbated into its present form had I not started taking hords of other girls upstairs and bar fining them right under her nose. So, it can backfire. In her case, it doesn't matter to me, but it can cause you to lose the one you are particular "satisfied" with, depending on the girl.

Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing. My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money.

I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price. So, for me, I think I have been spoiled, always seeking out an anomaly within a venue that has few of my "preferred" types of girls and experiences for the money.

El Cabron 007

03-12-07, 23:23

Well said my good friend, Carlos. I agree 95%. the other 5% is for your sick choice of 'UGLY' girls. You sure know how to find them. And to tell the truth, I think you enjoy it. You love ugly girls with big buns.

I think it's time you take it easy on USB. I mean, the poor fella, all he wants is to have a good time while visiting MTY. We turned it into a drama :) A fun one that is, but heck, the dude is probably in tears now ..... NAAAAT. USB is cool. We all love him.

Yes, I agree with Carlos’ story about Tanya. She tried so hard. Initially, she stood us up and that was all it took. We dragged X and J girls from the dance club and took'em back with us. I kept telling her that if she does not want to hang out with us, that's cool, just don't, here it comes, waste our time. We have better things to do than to just wait around for you. Then the next move was to take P and S girls out together right from under their noses for 6 or 7 hours of one of the best nights we ever had. We even paid them double and they were well worth it. Tanya was boiling with anger. But hey, she asked for it and she got it.

What's ironic in all this is that Tanya and P are good friends. But the way I see it, Tanya is taking advantage of P. I even warned P about that. I hope she listens, and I think she did. She stopped following and now she's leading.

OK. Back to the time wasted point. Yes, agree again. It is me who does not want to waste time, not the girls. S told me, through Carlos, that she can not set with me because she wants to make money in the privados. So fine, she now sets by the DJ window waiting. If she goes up, she makes sure that I see her. But I am far from getting jealous. I watch her, smile and give her the thumps up. If she walks by me, she smacks me hard because I did not acknowledge her. However, she still begs me to takes her up for a song or 2 and then tries to talk me into taking her salida. She is heartless. Cold. Unloving. Not mechanical, but emotionless. Although she gets real wet with me…. ummmm… oh well. Mind you I lent her enough money to pay for a Salida already. So in reality, I have a pre-paid Salida with her but I still do not take her.

My Lady "J" at the Obsession. The first time she sat with me, I did not even know what she looked like. I had my back turned to her and she gave me a soft nice tender ahhhh back rub. The poor thing asked Carlos 'When is he gonna get rid of me?' I said as long as she keeps up what she's doing, she can stay. The next time we were at the obsession, I looked at her face for the first time. I could not believe how beautiful she was. She has been the most obedient and accommodating girl I have met in MTY. Although she still hold back her colo from me. Someday. I am half way there.

Anyways, time for a cool change. Line'em up Carlos.

Wasted

I just got an SMS from someone saying 'Hola, como esta espero que bien solo me gustaria saber por que no fue a verme solo para saludarme tan malos recuerdos tiene de me que ya no quieran'

What? Carlos, English please. I think It's D.

Am gonna love this (cause USB is gonna kill me):

USB says:"I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs"
No you don't.

USB sasy: ""but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in."
Carlos: Cause you are not looking, you are thinking only on the one you have on hand. You are looking at the bird in the hand not the 2 dozen options in the bush.

USB: "I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide."
Carlos: Am gonna bet, that if you were to go to those "other venues" on a regular basis as you do to Monterrey, you'll be feelling the same as you are of Monterrey.

USB: "Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing."
Carlos: Not me.... am not missing anything.

USB says: "My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money."
Carlos: Once again: Of course they are more attentive... they NEED the money and locals are as screwed up as the economy, so they can only get it from one source.

USB says: I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price."
Carlos: So, why are Wasted, RTH, me, and others, getting that here in Monterrey???
OK, not me, I have a deadly advantage over all of you.

This is the best part, the one you are going to hate me for: The girls already know you quite well and they already know you are not a good customer. I just realized that reading this post.
"Not good" in the sense that they have you well measured as one that will only go for one and nothing else, and they know pretty well that you'll go for a salida and not spread money around.
Why do they know this? Cause they gossip till they drop and know what you are looking for.
(See, I told you should not talk to girls more than necesary)
Of course Wasted and me keep the girls on their toes, not knowing who we are going to pick and who in totally cold blood, are gonna ignore. So we are not predictable....
I had a talk with Tanya at the I place. She asked me once why is it that Mr, L doesnt take her out anymore... told her it was her fault, that she stood up Mr. L once.
She just started ranting that she was busy, that her sister was sick, that a flood had taken her money away, excuses excuses.... but one thing is for certain, that after that talk, she started to sit with Wasted trying to get the attention back....
T girl thought she had control over Mr. L... the moment she realizes it is not true, she has to beg to get back in the circle.
But it's too late, right Wasted???
Look at me at the Harem: I pay a salida. All the girls are shocked (me too). I forgot to mention the they even called my girl why we were doing the wild thing ("what are you doing!!!!").
At the Casino I sit with 2 ugly girls. Next thing, several girls ask me why the f**k am I doing that... so am back in their radar screens as a missle that might target them.
Back to USB: the girls at "other venues" are desperate for money. Here, money yes, but not desperate, so they have time enough to give us a check up.... are we worth it or not. Should they "waste" precious time with us, see if we are worth it or not... and such and such.
Notice they use that word and a lot "wasting time" on us. I don't let them do it, it's the other way around.... they are making us waste time so they better be good with us.

Member #3453

03-12-07, 23:35

******Abridged Version with NEW COMMENTS******** 3/13/2007

I patronize the girls same as you guys do, same amount of salida money, same amount of girl fees, generally, unless they agree to less money. If they take less money, then I take advantage of them.

But, the truth is, if I only take one or two girls out, it's because I do not anticipate that the certain girls will perform to my expectations, or I have determined from prior experience that they are not worth the money.

Remember, I conduct my interviews in the privados. I am not looking for sex, but a good GFE, like I find in the PI, Thailand, Colombia, etc., etc, etc...The girls think they know what I want because they are used to delivering their brand of "excitement" to an otherwise clueless constituency. Most of the locals in Monterrey are clueless with respect to what is available worldwide, so they accept "shitty" service. It's kind of the same thing in the US. You don't know how bad you have it until you "go to the mountain top." The reality is, the majority of them, Monterrey and US providers, could not hold a candle to girls I have known in other venues....that's just the simple truth.

Remember, I had bar fined "G" almost two years ago. She liked me then, but did not know me well. It is only after she got to know me better, decided she was interested, and pursued me, that I became interested in her. She has the same GFE attitude of the girls in other venues. The problem is, I expect that the philosophy of the average MTY bar girl will begin to corrupt her thinking eventually, and she will sour, just as Angry Girl soured over time. I sincerely hope that's not the case, but I anticipate it.

You see, it is the attitude of the girls that dictates whether "they" will be a part of my harem or not. If they don't have the attitude, they will not interest me. It is up to them. I am actually more demanding than most other patrons in Monterrey.

If the girls think that I am not "good business" then they will sit in their respective clubs and do privados until they are blue in the face to earn their 25 pesos per song. Conversely, they could go on salida with me, provide a reasonable length of time in which to romance them, give a heartfelt performance, or a real display of interest, makes no difference to me, and they will prosper at the tune of 1000 pesos for two hours, literally 50 times what they would make if they remained in the club doing privados and selling drinks for that same amount of time. Plus, they would receive the royal treatment from me in the process.

You see, it is the attitude of many of the girls that stinks. Keep in mind, I love Monterrey. I have found a number of girls I like. But, some of them are either jealous, stupid, lazy, or all three. There is little cream that rises to the top of the bottle. There is significant "crap" to have to endure in order to find a few good providers in Mexico, as was recently illustrated by the frustrations experienced by RTW and his Obsession girl. And, how many times have we all been through the "crap" associated with patronizing new girls, the no-shows, the scam artists, the short-timers, etc., etc, etc...I could go on for days about the "crap" I have had to endure from Mexican bar girls.

I have the money...now if they only had the brains to do their jobs. Most of your comments, Carlos, about comparing MTY to other venues are correct, but they are "reasons" why the other venues surpass Monterrey with respect to GFE and attitudes. I agree with your assessment as to why, but that doesn't change the dynamic of how things are. The reasons for why things are have no bearing on what "IS" when comparing the venues.

I am first to admit that I project onto Monterrey an unfair expectation when comparing it to other venues...you are right, that is my problem. But, I can't change my sphere of experience, and Monterrey is a much more difficult venue to work in comparison. But, none-the-less I am able to work it and acheive the satisfaction I am looking for, all be it at a greater expense, and with a more modest number of girls, mostly due to their own ineptitude.

With respect to a comparison of Colombia, Costa Rica, Thailand and the PI, the reasons stated above are the reasons the girls in those venues deliver a markedly better experience than what is typical of Mexico.

Don't misunderstand my comments. I love Monterrey too. I am able to get GFE in Monterrey, and with significantly less travel commitments, and the accompanying expense that might be required traveling to Asia or Central America. But, the quality of experience in those "notorious" other venues is noticeably, markedly better statistically than what is available in Mexico, Monterrey included.

The girls in those venues, IMHO, are not as attractive as the girls in Monterrey. But, even as less attractive providers, they consistently deliver a better experience, as any world traveler will testify, mostly due to the shear force of their superior service level, personalities, attentiveness, desire, etc., etc, etc...If the girls of Monterrey would simply work harder on selling me, they would achieve their ultimate goal, which is to make money. But, until I see them making some kind of respectable effort, fewer of them are going to find me patronizing them.

Am gonna love this (cause USB is gonna kill me):

USB says:"I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs"
No you don't.

USB sasy: ""but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in."
Carlos: Cause you are not looking, you are thinking only on the one you have on hand. You are looking at the bird in the hand not the 2 dozen options in the bush.

USB: "I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide."
Carlos: Am gonna bet, that if you were to go to those "other venues" on a regular basis as you do to Monterrey, you'll be feelling the same as you are of Monterrey.

USB: "Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing."
Carlos: Not me.... am not missing anything.

USB says: "My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money."
Carlos: Once again: Of course they are more attentive... they NEED the money and locals are as screwed up as the economy, so they can only get it from one source.

USB says: I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price."
Carlos: So, why are Wasted, RTH, me, and others, getting that here in Monterrey???
OK, not me, I have a deadly advantage over all of you.

This is the best part, the one you are going to hate me for: The girls already know you quite well and they already know you are not a good customer. I just realized that reading this post.
"Not good" in the sense that they have you well measured as one that will only go for one and nothing else, and they know pretty well that you'll go for a salida and not spread money around.
Why do they know this? Cause they gossip till they drop and know what you are looking for.
(See, I told you should not talk to girls more than necesary)
Of course Wasted and me keep the girls on their toes, not knowing who we are going to pick and who in totally cold blood, are gonna ignore. So we are not predictable....
I had a talk with Tanya at the I place. She asked me once why is it that Mr, L doesnt take her out anymore... told her it was her fault, that she stood up Mr. L once.
She just started ranting that she was busy, that her sister was sick, that a flood had taken her money away, excuses excuses.... but one thing is for certain, that after that talk, she started to sit with Wasted trying to get the attention back....
T girl thought she had control over Mr. L... the moment she realizes it is not true, she has to beg to get back in the circle.
But it's too late, right Wasted???
Look at me at the Harem: I pay a salida. All the girls are shocked (me too). I forgot to mention the they even called my girl why we were doing the wild thing ("what are you doing!!!!").
At the Casino I sit with 2 ugly girls. Next thing, several girls ask me why the f**k am I doing that... so am back in their radar screens as a missle that might target them.
Back to USB: the girls at "other venues" are desperate for money. Here, money yes, but not desperate, so they have time enough to give us a check up.... are we worth it or not. Should they "waste" precious time with us, see if we are worth it or not... and such and such.
Notice they use that word and a lot "wasting time" on us. I don't let them do it, it's the other way around.... they are making us waste time so they better be good with us.

Member #3453

03-13-07, 01:57

NEW COMMENTS ADDED 3/13/2007*******************************

This reply is directed at all concerned and not necessarily directed as a reply to WastedG's commentary below...

I think we are all arguing the same thing, but in different ways. We all have our "preferences." Our preferences are not "right" or "wrong," they just "ARE what they ARE."

I patronize girls that "D*E*L*I*V*E*R" the goods. I do not give them the time of day if they do not work me. I am not chasing them, they are chasing me. So, you see, we all agree. Just because I settle on a smaller flock does not mean I am any less demanding than the rest of you. It just means I am finding a lesser number of girls that are acceptable to me. The girls in the "I" place believe they have me figured out. They haven't a clue, because most of them do not interest me.

Take "G" for example, if she starts to get lazy, she will not enjoy a mutually beneficial arrangement, not financially, and not emotionally. I can give her both, and do. If I do not pay her one day, I make up for it in other ways the next. She does not ask me for money, nor does she expect it. I always pay anyway, one way or another, in one form or another, just to keep everything on track.

"G" would see me anyway, money or not, because we get along well as friends. But, even more so, we get along really well sexually and emotionally. So, I know what is motivating her forward, and it isn't the money. But, I am also no fool. I realize that the money will ultimately be the bottom line, if not now, then eventually.

Unfortunately, when she transitions to money being her primary motivational factor, her attitude will reflect that transition in her, and she will also likely loose her appeal with me.

So, if she is smart, she will analyse what she is doing now, and continue it. If she does that, she will continue to get contributions that far exceed anything she would earn in the form of salidas, both monetarily, and otherwise...just like a real novio/novia. That is what we both seem to want. I want the GFE, and she seems to want the BFE (Boy Friend Experience). I can do that!!!

I am really surprised the girls think they have me sized up at the Infinito. They all realize that for five years I have been bar fining girls from the Infinito. They all realize that, at least for the first four years, I would bar fine a girl almost every night, usually a different girl every night. If I find a particular girl I like best, I will usually patronize her more than the others because she is better than the others, not out of some sense of faithfulness.

In addition, because I utilize salidas to interview prospects, they should also realize that I spread money around in the privados. I usually spend no less than probably 500-800 pesos a night in the privados, usually between only three bars, the first and foremost being El Infinito, then El Cielo, then Matehuela. But El Infinito is my primary bar.

If I spend the money in the privados, it is up to them to spark my interest, verdad? That is what "G" did, and that is why she maintains her lofty position with me. That is also what Angry Girl did before she adopted the lazy, independent Mexican bar girl attitude.

They all realize I have the money to "spread around." What I don't understand, and what illustrates their ineptitude, is their lack of conscientousness. Most of the girls in the Infinito act like they are God's gift to us all, and that we must pursue them like we are in high school. You see, I have the same opinion as you guys have, in that I believe they have an obligation to pursue me as a customer, not the other way around. If they choose to go the lazy stereotypical route, then I am not interested in them, pure and simple.

It simply illustrates that most of them are typically lazy bar girls, girls that are simply bolstering the already defamatory stereotypical reputation of the typical Mexican bar girl.

We all comment regularly, including Carlos, just how lazy the girls all sometimes appear to be, especially when visiting clubs like Prestige and Obsession. How many times do we see them sitting off in a dark corner doing nothing for hours on end. Literally, if they were more "attentive," I would probably at least buy them a drink occassionally. But, I will not patronize girls that do not make an effort with me.

As you all have indicated "WE" are the customers, right? See, I think we all agree.

Well said my good friend, Carlos. I agree 95%. the other 5% is for your sick choice of 'UGLY' girls. You sure know how to find them. And to tell the truth, I think you enjoy it. You love ugly girls with big buns.

I think it's time you take it easy on USB. I mean, the poor fella, all he wants is to have a good time while visiting MTY. We turned it into a drama :) A fun one that is, but heck, the dude is probably in tears now ..... NAAAAT. USB is cool. We all love him.

Yes, I agree with Carlos’ story about Tanya. She tried so hard. Initially, she stood us up and that was all it took. We dragged X and J girls from the dance club and took'em back with us. I kept telling her that if she does not want to hang out with us, that's cool, just don't, here it comes, waste our time. We have better things to do than to just wait around for you. Then the next move was to take P and S girls out together right from under their noses for 6 or 7 hours of one of the best nights we ever had. We even paid them double and they were well worth it. Tanya was boiling with anger. But hey, she asked for it and she got it.

What's ironic in all this is that Tanya and P are good friends. But the way I see it, Tanya is taking advantage of P. I even warned P about that. I hope she listens, and I think she did. She stopped following and now she's leading.

OK. Back to the time wasted point. Yes, agree again. It is me who does not want to waste time, not the girls. S told me, through Carlos, that she can not set with me because she wants to make money in the privados. So fine, she now sets by the DJ window waiting. If she goes up, she makes sure that I see her. But I am far from getting jealous. I watch her, smile and give her the thumps up. If she walks by me, she smacks me hard because I did not acknowledge her. However, she still begs me to takes her up for a song or 2 and then tries to talk me into taking her salida. She is heartless. Cold. Unloving. Not mechanical, but emotionless. Although she gets real wet with me…. ummmm… oh well. Mind you I lent her enough money to pay for a Salida already. So in reality, I have a pre-paid Salida with her but I still do not take her.

My Lady "J" at the Obsession. The first time she sat with me, I did not even know what she looked like. I had my back turned to her and she gave me a soft nice tender ahhhh back rub. The poor think asked Carlos 'When is he gonna get rid of me?' I said as long as she keeps up what she's doing, she can stay. The next time we were at the obsession, I looked at her face for the first time. I could not believe how beautiful she was. She has been the most obedient and accommodating girl I have met in MTY. Although she still hold back her colo from me. Someday. I am half way there.

Anyways, time for a cool change. Line'em up Carlos.

Wasted

I just got an SMS from someone saying 'Hola, como esta espero que bien solo me gustaria saber por que no fue a verme solo para saludarme tan malos recuerdos tiene de me que ya no quieran'

What? Carlos, English please. I think It's D.

MonterreyDude

03-13-07, 17:32

Wasted says: "You love ugly girls with big buns."
I DO NOT, SIR!!!
MMMMmmm on second thought, I think I do....

Well said my good friend, Carlos. I agree 95%. the other 5% is for your sick choice of 'UGLY' girls. You sure know how to find them. And to tell the truth, I think you enjoy it. You love ugly girls with big buns.

I think it's time you take it easy on USB. I mean, the poor fella, all he wants is to have a good time while visiting MTY. We turned it into a drama :) A fun one that is, but heck, the dude is probably in tears now ..... NAAAAT. USB is cool. We all love him.

Yes, I agree with Carlos’ story about Tanya. She tried so hard. Initially, she stood us up and that was all it took. We dragged X and J girls from the dance club and took'em back with us. I kept telling her that if she does not want to hang out with us, that's cool, just don't, here it comes, waste our time. We have better things to do than to just wait around for you. Then the next move was to take P and S girls out together right from under their noses for 6 or 7 hours of one of the best nights we ever had. We even paid them double and they were well worth it. Tanya was boiling with anger. But hey, she asked for it and she got it.

What's ironic in all this is that Tanya and P are good friends. But the way I see it, Tanya is taking advantage of P. I even warned P about that. I hope she listens, and I think she did. She stopped following and now she's leading.

OK. Back to the time wasted point. Yes, agree again. It is me who does not want to waste time, not the girls. S told me, through Carlos, that she can not set with me because she wants to make money in the privados. So fine, she now sets by the DJ window waiting. If she goes up, she makes sure that I see her. But I am far from getting jealous. I watch her, smile and give her the thumps up. If she walks by me, she smacks me hard because I did not acknowledge her. However, she still begs me to takes her up for a song or 2 and then tries to talk me into taking her salida. She is heartless. Cold. Unloving. Not mechanical, but emotionless. Although she gets real wet with me…. ummmm… oh well. Mind you I lent her enough money to pay for a Salida already. So in reality, I have a pre-paid Salida with her but I still do not take her.

My Lady "J" at the Obsession. The first time she sat with me, I did not even know what she looked like. I had my back turned to her and she gave me a soft nice tender ahhhh back rub. The poor thing asked Carlos 'When is he gonna get rid of me?' I said as long as she keeps up what she's doing, she can stay. The next time we were at the obsession, I looked at her face for the first time. I could not believe how beautiful she was. She has been the most obedient and accommodating girl I have met in MTY. Although she still hold back her colo from me. Someday. I am half way there.

Anyways, time for a cool change. Line'em up Carlos.

Wasted

I just got an SMS from someone saying 'Hola, como esta espero que bien solo me gustaria saber por que no fue a verme solo para saludarme tan malos recuerdos tiene de me que ya no quieran'

What? Carlos, English please. I think It's D.

MonterreyDude

03-13-07, 17:58

USB says: "Most of the locals in Monterrey are clueless with respect to what is available worldwide, so they accept "shitty" service."
Carlos says: I do but I still love my local girls. Wouldn't exchange them for 10 Thai girls
On a second thought, 5 Thai and 5 Phillipina girls?.... maybe yes....
One thing must be made clear about this. My gang at my Yahoo group has seen the pictures of SEA... they don't care a bit about the girls.
I have made comments about this, that SEA girls are comparable to low class native Mexicans, girls that we wouldn't touch at all.

You have to understand another aspect you have to work against: club girls in Mexico consider themselves way above the girls form other venues too, even if they don't know the conditions over there. Girls here have a bigger chance of getting ahead than those in SEA. Even if they don't get the money to "get ahead" they can just go and work in a regular paying job that pays better than the salaries a working girl can get in Central America or SA.
This is arrogance and you have to find a way around that.

You have to work agains a bigger factor and we have talked about it sometimes, but now with an added element.
Clubs here are frequented by people with money. Worse not only money but clients much younger than us.
Locals in the range of 20 somethings and 30 somethings with money and willing to spend that money as opposed to foreigners being the guys with money in places like Thailand et al.
That is hard to deal with but not impossible to beat.
And talking about money, Monterrey is cheap compared clubwise to other cities, like Guadalajara an Mexico City. Even the small cities are more expensive than us.
Unbelievable but true and worse part is that they have paying customers over there too.
I don't mention here the border cities... girl material over there is awful. I've seen the pictures...
Again, we as clients have to deal with the arrogance of the girls, that we are there for them, not the other way around. I have learned to deal around that bit succesfully.
How, you ask?
1. I let them know am not dumb.
2. I tell them first hand I know every single club, cheaper than the one Iam at, so at the first sign of dissapointment I'll go elsewhere.
3. I discipline the girls to my ways, not the other way around.
4. I don't fall for them, they fall for me.
5. Gotta think some more... be back later on.

******Abridged Version with NEW COMMENTS******** 3/13/2007

I patronize the girls same as you guys do, same amount of salida money, same amount of girl fees, generally, unless they agree to less money. If they take less money, then I take advantage of them.

But, the truth is, if I only take one or two girls out, it's because I do not anticipate that the certain girls will perform to my expectations, or I have determined from prior experience that they are not worth the money.

Remember, I conduct my interviews in the privados. I am not looking for sex, but a good GFE, like I find in the PI, Thailand, Colombia, etc., etc, etc...The girls think they know what I want because they are used to delivering their brand of "excitement" to an otherwise clueless constituency. Most of the locals in Monterrey are clueless with respect to what is available worldwide, so they accept "shitty" service. It's kind of the same thing in the US. You don't know how bad you have it until you "go to the mountain top." The reality is, the majority of them, Monterrey and US providers, could not hold a candle to girls I have known in other venues....that's just the simple truth.

Remember, I had bar fined "G" almost two years ago. She liked me then, but did not know me well. It is only after she got to know me better, decided she was interested, and pursued me, that I became interested in her. She has the same GFE attitude of the girls in other venues. The problem is, I expect that the philosophy of the average MTY bar girl will begin to corrupt her thinking eventually, and she will sour, just as Angry Girl soured over time. I sincerely hope that's not the case, but I anticipate it.

You see, it is the attitude of the girls that dictates whether "they" will be a part of my harem or not. If they don't have the attitude, they will not interest me. It is up to them. I am actually more demanding than most other patrons in Monterrey.

If the girls think that I am not "good business" then they will sit in their respective clubs and do privados until they are blue in the face to earn their 25 pesos per song. Conversely, they could go on salida with me, provide a reasonable length of time in which to romance them, give a heartfelt performance, or a real display of interest, makes no difference to me, and they will prosper at the tune of 1000 pesos for two hours, literally 50 times what they would make if they remained in the club doing privados and selling drinks for that same amount of time. Plus, they would receive the royal treatment from me in the process.

You see, it is the attitude of many of the girls that stinks. Keep in mind, I love Monterrey. I have found a number of girls I like. But, some of them are either jealous, stupid, lazy, or all three. There is little cream that rises to the top of the bottle. There is significant "crap" to have to endure in order to find a few good providers in Mexico, as was recently illustrated by the frustrations experienced by RTW and his Obsession girl. And, how many times have we all been through the "crap" associated with patronizing new girls, the no-shows, the scam artists, the short-timers, etc., etc, etc...I could go on for days about the "crap" I have had to endure from Mexican bar girls.

I have the money...now if they only had the brains to do their jobs. Most of your comments, Carlos, about comparing MTY to other venues are correct, but they are "reasons" why the other venues surpass Monterrey with respect to GFE and attitudes. I agree with your assessment as to why, but that doesn't change the dynamic of how things are. The reasons for why things are have no bearing on what "IS" when comparing the venues.

I am first to admit that I project onto Monterrey an unfair expectation when comparing it to other venues...you are right, that is my problem. But, I can't change my sphere of experience, and Monterrey is a much more difficult venue to work in comparison. But, none-the-less I am able to work it and acheive the satisfaction I am looking for, all be it at a greater expense, and with a more modest number of girls, mostly due to their own ineptitude.

With respect to a comparison of Colombia, Costa Rica, Thailand and the PI, the reasons stated above are the reasons the girls in those venues deliver a markedly better experience than what is typical of Mexico.

Don't misunderstand my comments. I love Monterrey too. I am able to get GFE in Monterrey, and with significantly less travel commitments, and the accompanying expense that might be required traveling to Asia or Central America. But, the quality of experience in those "notorious" other venues is noticeably, markedly better statistically than what is available in Mexico, Monterrey included.

The girls in those venues, IMHO, are not as attractive as the girls in Monterrey. But, even as less attractive providers, they consistently deliver a better experience, as any world traveler will testify, mostly due to the shear force of their superior service level, personalities, attentiveness, desire, etc., etc, etc...If the girls of Monterrey would simply work harder on selling me, they would achieve their ultimate goal, which is to make money. But, until I see them making some kind of respectable effort, fewer of them are going to find me patronizing them.

Member #3453

03-13-07, 22:15

I agree with everything you said in your post. You are, as always, right on the money. We actually agree with one another usually anyway, on almost everything, but we express it differently, and with different "preferences" in mind.

The most important point that I must reiterate is that I love Monterrey, it's girls, it's format, my amigos, etc...But, if I were able to transplant the girls of Monterrey to the PI, that would be nirvana. The Mexican look would be heaven in a place like the PI where the economics would motivate a preferrable attitude from the Mexican looking girls. Of course, then I would have difficulties traveling that far. So, for that reason, I am satisfied with my prospects in Monterrey, and I make it work to the best of my ability.

Therefore, I have to agree with your local amigos with respect to the appearance of the Asian girls versus the Mexican girls. The Mexican girls in the clubs of MTY, IMHO, are much more attractive than most of the Asian girls I've found, at least as a statistical comparison of attractiveness per capita in the respective bars in the venues we're discussing.

There ARE exceptions however. For example, in Manila, the Edsa Bars are just overflowing with breathtakingly beautiful girls, I mean real HOTTIES. They will cost you about 600 pesos for todo la noche, and their attitudes are totally compliant, and they are happy to stay with you for as long as you want them, sometimes at cut rates, just for the privilege of having you patronize them as a client. They are totally HOT, totally compliant, no clock watching, NO no-shows, etc...

But, to understand the full meaning of my former comments in previous posts, you have to also observe the kind of girls I seek. The best way for me to illustrate this is to use examples. The following example applies to the kind of girls I seek when I conduct interviews in MTY.

For example, as you know, I have recently latched onto a girl in MTY that is not considered attractive to most Mexican men...that being my "G". She is also aware of this, that being her "plain" quality as judged by most Mexican males. I believe that by she being aware of her "plain" appearance, it probably plays a key role in her having an absolutely outstanding attitude.

I've developed an attraction for her as a result of her personality and her affection level. If I were to consider her strictly on looks, she would still be a contender, because of her perfect arse, and her really hard body, but other than that, she has just an "acceptable" looking ethnically Mexican face.

But, "perfect arse" and hard body aint bad, verdad? When I finally got to know her better, she charmed the socks off me...the socks, the shirt, the pants...hahahaha!!! The ethnic "ordinary" Mexican facial appearance became of no significance to me whatsoever.

The important point is that, I am most attracted to girls that have hard bodies, reasonably pretty faces, flacas, preferrably morenas, etc...To my taste, as a Gringo, "G" is not ugly, but she by comparison could be described at times as relatively plain. She definitely has a strong ethnic Mexican look. But, there are other times that I look at her and feel that she is a very pretty girl, in all respects.

I, as a Gringo, am not repulsed by that ethnic look, as some locals might be due to socio-economic race related biases. Sometimes when I look at her, I realize there are prettier girls available, even according to my Gringo preferences. But, for me, her face is perfectly acceptable and she is certainly "doable," even if I were to evaluate her from afar, not really knowing her in advance. And, as I said, her face, while ethinically Mexican, has an almost transformed quality to it. There are times that I contemplate her face as being quite beautiful.

Frankly, my desire for her looks now has increased as I have gotten to know her better. It is like her personality, and the force of her genuine affection for me, have made her face even more attractive to me. Of course, her arse and body never needed any help :-)

But, the difference between this Gringo, and his stated preferences, is the foundation for what might be difficult for others to understand, especially for local Mexicanos with preconceived ethnic biases toward certain kinds of beauty, or their perceived lack thereof.

The difference between "beauty" and "ordinary" can be summed up in one word, "attitude." That is the gyst of a GFE kind of perspective, and it's what makes the third world venues have such notoriety when many of the girls are simply ordinary in overall appearance.

You see, I would rather have a girl with an ordinary appearance, a hard, body, and a great attitude, than a girl with a great physical appearance, pretty face, hard body, and a medicro "mirror watching" attitude. I have had both, and at this juncture, I will generally avoid the later.

Conversely, I can be very happy with a girl of ordinary appearance for quite a long time, and have little desire to stray, if in fact by straying it messes up the GFE dynamic long term.

That is what distinguishes me, perhaps, from some of my collegues that regularly travel to Monterrey, and from my amigos, some of the locals living in Monterrey. :-) I am a sucker for the GFE...

USB says: "Most of the locals in Monterrey are clueless with respect to what is available worldwide, so they accept "shitty" service."
Carlos says: I do but I still love my local girls. Wouldn't exchange them for 10 Thai girls
On a second thought, 5 Thai and 5 Phillipina girls?.... maybe yes....
One thing must be made clear about this. My gang at my Yahoo group has seen the pictures of SEA... they don't care a bit about the girls.
I have made comments about this, that SEA girls are comparable to low class native Mexicans, girls that we wouldn't touch at all.

You have to understand another aspect you have to work against: club girls in Mexico consider themselves way above the girls form other venues too, even if they don't know the conditions over there. Girls here have a bigger chance of getting ahead than those in SEA. Even if they don't get the money to "get ahead" they can just go and work in a regular paying job that pays better than the salaries a working girl can get in Central America or SA.
This is arrogance and you have to find a way around that.

You have to work agains a bigger factor and we have talked about it sometimes, but now with an added element.
Clubs here are frequented by people with money. Worse not only money but clients much younger than us.
Locals in the range of 20 somethings and 30 somethings with money and willing to spend that money as opposed to foreigners being the guys with money in places like Thailand et al.
That is hard to deal with but not impossible to beat.
And talking about money, Monterrey is cheap compared clubwise to other cities, like Guadalajara an Mexico City. Even the small cities are more expensive than us.
Unbelievable but true and worse part is that they have paying customers over there too.
I don't mention here the border cities... girl material over there is awful. I've seen the pictures...
Again, we as clients have to deal with the arrogance of the girls, that we are there for them, not the other way around. I have learned to deal around that bit succesfully.
How, you ask?
1. I let them know am not dumb.
2. I tell them first hand I know every single club, cheaper than the one Iam at, so at the first sign of dissapointment I'll go elsewhere.
3. I discipline the girls to my ways, not the other way around.
4. I don't fall for them, they fall for me.
5. Gotta think some more... be back later on.

El Cabron 007

03-13-07, 23:57

USB, I don't understand why you had to bring up G's looks. Did you forget that Carlos, for a long time, considered her one of his girls? Don't you see me reaching out to grab her when she walks by? I just don't see the need for such a topic. I like G a whole lot and I think she is extremely sweet.

Take my D girl for example. All the girls at the Infinito yelled at me when they saw her with me and commented "Fia". They were surprised that I would associate with a girl like her. But like you said, looks are not so important in the affairs of the heart. She stunned me with her smile and that was all she needed. I was with her for almost a year in a true love relationship. A relationship that gave me and Carlos major headaches

So, my good friend. I think you are being unfair to G by thinking that you have to defend her looks. Don't. She does not need to apologize for her looks. She is pretty and very nice.

Doable? You've got to be kidding. She's HOT. If you repeat this topic again, I will take her away from both of you :-)

Wasted

I've developed an attraction for her as a result of her personality and her affection level. If I were to consider her strictly on looks, she would still be a contender, because of her perfect arse, and her really hard body, but other than that, she has just an "acceptable" looking ethnically Mexican face.

But, "perfect arse" and hard body aint bad, verdad? When I finally got to know her better, she charmed the socks off me...the socks, the shirt, the pants...hahahaha!!! The ethnic "ordinary" Mexican facial appearance became of no significance to me whatsoever.

The important point is that, I am most attracted to girls that have hard bodies, reasonably pretty faces, flacas, preferrably morenas, etc...To my taste, as a Gringo, "G" is not ugly, but she by comparison could be described at times as relatively plain. She definitely has a strong ethnic Mexican look. But, there are other times that I look at her and feel that she is a very pretty girl, in all respects.

I, as a Gringo, am not repulsed by that ethnic look, as some locals might be due to socio-economic race related biases. Sometimes when I look at her, I realize there are prettier girls available, even according to my Gringo preferences. But, for me, her face is perfectly acceptable and she is certainly "doable," even if I were to evaluate her from afar, not really knowing her in advance. And, as I said, her face, while ethinically Mexican, has an almost transformed quality to it. There are times that I contemplate her face as being quite beautiful.

Frankly, my desire for her looks now has increased as I have gotten to know her better. It is like her personality, and the force of her genuine affection for me, have made her face even more attractive to me. Of course, her arse and body never needed any help :-)

But, the difference between this Gringo, and his stated preferences, is the foundation for what might be difficult for others to understand, especially for local Mexicanos with preconceived ethnic biases toward certain kinds of beauty, or their perceived lack thereof.

The difference between "beauty" and "ordinary" can be summed up in one word, "attitude." That is the gyst of a GFE kind of perspective, and it's what makes the third world venues have such notoriety when many of the girls are simply ordinary in overall appearance.

You see, I would rather have a girl with an ordinary appearance, a hard, body, and a great attitude, than a girl with a great physical appearance, pretty face, hard body, and a medicro "mirror watching" attitude. I have had both, and at this juncture, I will generally avoid the later.

Conversely, I can be very happy with a girl of ordinary appearance for quite a long time, and have little desire to stray, if in fact by straying it messes up the GFE dynamic long term.

That is what distinguishes me, perhaps, from some of my collegues that regularly travel to Monterrey, and from my amigos, some of the locals living in Monterrey. :-) I am a sucker for the GFE...

Member #3453

03-14-07, 01:26

WastedG,

Don't misunderstand my comments as a defense of "G" from my perspective. For my part, I always thought she was a pretty girl. No, I am responding to what Carlos has described to me as the way the Mexican male views my angel.

Carlos has always told me that to the eyes of a Mexican male, "G's" facial features are not attractive. I do not agree from my point of view, but I respect the premise, a premise put forth by Carlos himself, that some girls are viewed differently by their own kind than we as Gringos might imagine.

Even "G" has confirmed this with me, telling me she is not popular with the men, that she is not considered pretty, that she does not like her hair, that she wants to have fake, bigger boobs, that she does not like her arse....can you believe it??? She does not like her arse!!!!!! I have told her not to change a thing, that I love her breasts, that I love her hair, that I love her body, that I love her face, lips, everything...and I do. I told her to never change. Most of all, I told her not to get fake boobs...

NO, PLEASE DO NOT GET FAKE TITS!!!!!!!!!!!

I think she is literally heaven on earth when I see her, and I have told her so many times.

But, to futher illustrate what I am talking about...

Take the girls in Asia for example. Most of the brown skinned girls in Asia are looked down upon, and significantly so, by the males in their society. The girls sometimes go to great lengths, using "white face" makeup, to lighten their skin color significantly in an effort to be more attractive to the eligible males in their society. Conversely, when we Farang (Gringos) go to Thailand, or the PI, or Indonesia, etc...we adore the brown skinned girls, just as I also adore the brown skinned morenas of Mexico, South America, and Colombia...

The racial biases are alive and well in most of the world. And, while these subjects are politically incorrect to acknowledge and discuss here in the USA, they are not denied with any degree of embarassment by the populace in those countries where the racial bias exists. It is politically incorrect here, but not so politically or socially incorrect to acknowledge these truths within those respective societies. It is, in fact, common knowledge among the locals, and rather accepted by the masses.

It is especially common to hear the girls of Mexico, the morenas, openly wishing to have a Gringo baby. Be very careful...they are NOT kidding. It is that big a deal within the lower ethnic classes. I can not tell you the numbers of girls that have expressed an interest in having my baby. They were not kidding when they said it.

Regarding my angel...

In "G's" case, she is my angel, truly...I would never criticize her appearance other than to illustrate the differences that exist with respect to "preferences," most of which is rooted in ethnic racial biases. I would never have formerly imagined her to be "undesireable" among her own kind because she is so sweet, pretty, and loveable. But, none-the-less, it IS the case.

It is also quite possibly one of the reasons she is attracted to me, and one of the reasons she likes being seen with me in public, holding my hand, clutching my arm, sitting in the movies and necking with me, all under circumstances where some girls, especially due to the age discrepency, may not want to be seen with me in public. I am aware of all the sociology that goes along with this kind of dynamic.

It doesn't matter "why" to me, I am just greatful the dynamic exists. I love the attention she gives me. I am usually careful to spare her any embarrassment when we are out by making sure that we conduct ourselves as descretely as possible. But, if we depart from that routine, it is she that usually starts it, and I suspect her public displays are a kind of trophy exhibition on her part....Look what I found!!!

We, as Gringos, are not only pursued in Monterrey because of our money. There is another motivator at work. I am totally and completely aware of the power behind that sociology, and greatful for the advantage it gives me over some of the locals.

Some of the locals, such as Carlos, have the advantage too because they are of the upper class of European decent. They are in demand as well, and the girls would die to have their babies, and worm their way into the lives of the upper class of European decent.

You are right about one thing for sure..."G" is sooooooo sweet. I can not tell you of any other girl, bar girl or not, that has impressed me like she has. But, frankly, she impresses me because she has taken a seemingly sincere interest in me, and her attentions seem, at least on the surface, and for the present, that they are sincere.

I will return to MTY in a couple of weeks to see if she is still as captivated as she has seemingly been. At the risk of sounding negative, as I have mentioned before, I fully anticipate her losing interest in me, the Gringo novelty. Something always seems to screw up a good thing whenever Mexican bar girls are involved. But for now, I love being with her.

USB, I don't understand why you had to bring up G's looks. Did you forget that Carlos, for a long time, considered her one of his girls? Don't you see me reaching out to grab her when she walks by? I just don't see the need for such topic. I like G a whole lot and I think she is extremely sweet.

Take my D girl for example. All the girls at the Infinito yelled at me when they saw her with me and commented "Fia". They were surprised that I would associate with a girl like her. But like you said, looks are not so important in the affairs of the heart. She stunned me with her smile and that was all she needed. I was with her for almost a year in a true love relationship. A relationship that gave me and Carlos major headaches

So, my good friend. I think you are being unfair to G by thinking that you have to defend her looks. Don't. She does not need to apologize for her looks. She is pretty and very nice.

Doable? You've got to be kidding. She's HOT. If you repeat this topic again, I will take her away from both of you :-)

Wasted

El Cabron 007

03-14-07, 03:58

USb, you're funny. 'Look what I found' is MY line. When I leave the table and return with a girl, I always say 'Look what I found.'

Now to be frank, I can not believe you and G make out in public. There's no "look what I found" in this. It should be you who says that, not her. But still, I can't imagine you and her making out .... and in public? I mean, come on man, have some decency :-)

I am fully aware of the girls' desire to get bigger boobs. Even S wants to get fake boobs. Can you believe that? She has the most beautiful full natural boobs in the club and she says she wants bigger boobs. That idiot. She has a perfect body and she want fake boobs.

Even X. She wants bigger boobs. She is firm and size-wise perfect. If she gets bigger boobs, she'll probably fall flat on her face when she walks. The kids is so small.

Now when it comes to G's buns, she has the greatest arse in MTY. So soft, firm and cold to the touch. It is shocking that she does not like her arse. But I think it's her way of making you say what a nice arse she's got. You obviously don't complement her arse enough. get it? Sheesh, you have much to learn my friend.

Hey, let them take the white ones and leave us the morenas. Notice all the girls I hang out with are morenas? I have no attraction whatsoever to the white girls. I like them Pittsburg-style. Charred on the outside, red/pink on the inside.

Wasted

It is also quite possibly one of the reasons she is attracted to me, and one of the reasons she likes being seen with me in public, holding my hand, clutching my arm, sitting in the movies and necking with me, all under circumstances where some girls, especially due to the age discrepency, may not want to be seen with me in public. I am aware of all the sociology that goes along with this kind of dynamic.

It doesn't matter "why" to me, I am just greatful the dynamic exists. I love the attention she gives me. I am usually careful to spare her any embarrassment when we are out by making sure that we conduct ourselves as descretely as possible. But, if we depart from that routine, it is she that usually starts it, and I suspect her public displays are a kind of trophy exhibition on her part....Look what I found!!!

You are right about one thing for sure..."G" is sooooooo sweet. I can not tell you of any other girl, bar girl or not, that has impressed me like she has. But, frankly, she impresses me because she has taken a seemingly sincere interest in me, and her attentions seem, at least on the surface, and for the present, that they are sincere.

MonterreyDude

03-14-07, 06:38

USB says: "Some of the locals, such as Carlos, have the advantage too because they are of the upper class of European decent. They are in demand as well, and the girls would die to have their babies, and worm their way into the lives of the upper class of European decent."
Carlos says: Iam???? Please point out the girls that want to have babies!!!!

WastedG,

Don't misunderstand my comments as a defense of "G" from my perspective. For my part, I always thought she was a pretty girl. No, I am responding to what Carlos has described to me as the way the Mexican male views my angel.

Carlos has always told me that to the eyes of a Mexican male, "G's" facial features are not attractive. I do not agree from my point of view, but I respect the premise, a premise put forth by Carlos himself, that some girls are viewed differently by their own kind than we as Gringos might imagine.

Even "G" has confirmed this with me, telling me she is not popular with the men, that she is not considered pretty, that she does not like her hair, that she wants to have fake, bigger boobs, that she does not like her arse....can you believe it??? She does not like her arse!!!!!! I have told her not to change a thing, that I love her breasts, that I love her hair, that I love her body, that I love her face, lips, everything...and I do. I told her to never change. Most of all, I told her not to get fake boobs...

NO, PLEASE DO NOT GET FAKE TITS!!!!!!!!!!!

I think she is literally heaven on earth when I see her, and I have told her so many times.

But, to futher illustrate what I am talking about...

Take the girls in Asia for example. Most of the brown skinned girls in Asia are looked down upon, and significantly so, by the males in their society. The girls sometimes go to great lengths, using "white face" makeup, to lighten their skin color significantly in an effort to be more attractive to the eligible males in their society. Conversely, when we Farang (Gringos) go to Thailand, or the PI, or Indonesia, etc...we adore the brown skinned girls, just as I also adore the brown skinned morenas of Mexico, South America, and Colombia...

The racial biases are alive and well in most of the world. And, while these subjects are politically incorrect to acknowledge and discuss here in the USA, they are not denied with any degree of embarassment by the populace in those countries where the racial bias exists. It is politically incorrect here, but not so politically or socially incorrect to acknowledge these truths within those respective societies. It is, in fact, common knowledge among the locals, and rather accepted by the masses.

It is especially common to hear the girls of Mexico, the morenas, openly wishing to have a Gringo baby. Be very careful...they are NOT kidding. It is that big a deal within the lower ethnic classes. I can not tell you the numbers of girls that have expressed an interest in having my baby. They were not kidding when they said it.

Regarding my angel...

In "G's" case, she is my angel, truly...I would never criticize her appearance other than to illustrate the differences that exist with respect to "preferences," most of which is rooted in ethnic racial biases. I would never have formerly imagined her to be "undesireable" among her own kind because she is so sweet, pretty, and loveable. But, none-the-less, it IS the case.

It is also quite possibly one of the reasons she is attracted to me, and one of the reasons she likes being seen with me in public, holding my hand, clutching my arm, sitting in the movies and necking with me, all under circumstances where some girls, especially due to the age discrepency, may not want to be seen with me in public. I am aware of all the sociology that goes along with this kind of dynamic.

It doesn't matter "why" to me, I am just greatful the dynamic exists. I love the attention she gives me. I am usually careful to spare her any embarrassment when we are out by making sure that we conduct ourselves as descretely as possible. But, if we depart from that routine, it is she that usually starts it, and I suspect her public displays are a kind of trophy exhibition on her part....Look what I found!!!

We, as Gringos, are not only pursued in Monterrey because of our money. There is another motivator at work. I am totally and completely aware of the power behind that sociology, and greatful for the advantage it gives me over some of the locals.

Some of the locals, such as Carlos, have the advantage too because they are of the upper class of European decent. They are in demand as well, and the girls would die to have their babies, and worm their way into the lives of the upper class of European decent.

You are right about one thing for sure..."G" is sooooooo sweet. I can not tell you of any other girl, bar girl or not, that has impressed me like she has. But, frankly, she impresses me because she has taken a seemingly sincere interest in me, and her attentions seem, at least on the surface, and for the present, that they are sincere.

I will return to MTY in a couple of weeks to see if she is still as captivated as she has seemingly been. At the risk of sounding negative, as I have mentioned before, I fully anticipate her losing interest in me, the Gringo novelty. Something always seems to screw up a good thing whenever Mexican bar girls are involved. But for now, I love being with her.

MonterreyDude

03-14-07, 06:46

This a subject that has more or less been mentioned here, but it is quite relevant.
I know guys reading this might think that Iam pointing a finger to them, but many mongers coming to Monterrey have this weird and wrong idea that Monterrey is like SEA, full of pristine pussy ready to be BB, which is stupid for starters.
Some girls will get attached to repeat visitors, very seriously attached, like so that they will start letting themsleves be BBed by the monger.
Why? not because they love the feeling of an unprotected penis inside of them... they do it cause they want to get pregnant.
I haven't mentioned this, but 2 girls in the last 6 months have come up and been frank about their desire.
In my 25 years of going to the clubs... many more.
Ponder this next time a girl will let you do it BB with you........

Member #3453

03-14-07, 13:36

I am wondering whether I am reaching the wrong conclusions about the sociological attitudes of these girls in Mexico, that perhaps I am misinterpreting their behaviors by projecting my Gringo sociological experiences onto their displays of behavior. I would appreciate knowing from some of the locals (Carlos, and others on the board, etc...) if I am off base. The subject matter is interesting to me. Your opinions are welcome.

I know the "look what I found" line sounds kinda' conceited on my part. Perhaps it's just my imagination, but it really does seem that some of them are proud to be seen with me when we are in public, and that they do certain things that appear to me that they are making a public display of possession. If I am misconstruing this, then I suppose I am just dilusional. But, I really don't think so. Perhaps it's just that Mexican girls are taught to be more amorosa than American girls. Whatever it is, I really love it.

Generally, "G" is a very proper acting and conservative in public, aware of the taboos, all the proper etiquette, etc...She conducts herself with really great manners and is very cordual and polite with all people she comes in contact with.

But, she will sometimes just lose it completely, especially in a dark movie theatre for example. Many times she will look around to see if there other people watching us before she leans over to kiss me. She is aware that it's not proper, especially in Mexico, to show that kind of affection in public.

For a bar girl, I think she has been taught her manners quite well, and conducts herself with a lot of class and decorum when in public. But, sometimes, it's as though she wants to feel "in love," and that the public displays are a contented state of mind for her, like it comforts her inside to be in love, and to be feeling like she is in love. But, more over, it seems that she is proud to be seen with me, that I am somehow a testimonial trouphy, something to be proud of and displayed.

Frankly, my guess is that for a lower class bar girl, one of ethnic Mexican decent, perhaps with some Mexican Indian ancestory as well, a public display of having found and landed a Gringo, romantically, is somehow a boost to her social position. Don't misunderstand, I believe her affectionate displays are honest ones, but I also think there is something more going on.

I could be totally and complete off base, but I am trying to figure out the dynamic that's in play here. It seems that perhaps the public displays are her way of defining the fact that she has a Gringo chasing after her, that it is a feather in her cap sociologically.

Perhaps she sees it as busting through the glass ceiling with respect to her own class limitations, and it nourishes her own ego. I doubt if she consciously concludes any of this on a cognizable level. I think that most of her displays are emotional, more like psychological knee jerk reactions to her own emotional attractions, bolstered by the internal subconscious belief that she has indeed broken through to the next level in the sociological pecking order.

This kind of thing has happened to me with more than one girl. It has happened with Cindy #1, Abigail, Violeta, and several more under circumstances where we were out in public.

I remember with Abigail from El Cielo, a really HOT nympho that I've since lost track of after she left El Cielo. Whenever we would go to a restaurant, I would start to sit down across the table from her, instead of next to her. I actually did that more out of a force of habit, like I was at home or something, hahaha. Plus, if I did it consciously, I always just assumed that girls did not want to be embarrassed by public displays of affection, like sitting next to one another, indicating a romantic kind of liason. I just always thought they would prefer that we appear to just be having dinner, and that we are not an older guy and a 20 year old girl together on a date.

But, Abigail would aways tell me to come over to sit next to her, telling me in a way that made her seem kind of irritated that I was not playing the part of her date. She always took my hand when we were walking together, she would always clutch my arm when we are together, etc...I always assumed these girls would be embarrassed by their being seen with an older man...but, that was just the opposite.

WATCH IT!!! I AM NOT OLD...just older, but younger at heart, hahahaha!!!

I always assumed that they would prefer that we look like we are just friends or co-workers or something when were were seen in public. But, there is some other kind of dynamic going on sometimes. Of course, I also always assumed that they did not want to appear to be hookers. I am always aware of their feelings and how it may appear to others.

Carlos has always warned me about how it looks to the general public, and when I try to be very discrete, the girls pull out all the stops, acting almost irritated that I am not playing my part as their boyfriend. Perhaps by initiating these kinds of public displays, it makes them appear to be legitimately dating an older man, which is not an uncommon phenomenon in Mexico. Perhaps by initiating the public displays, it helps to stop assumptions in public that they are hookers...I don't know...I don't really get it.

With respect to "G's" comments about her own body, I think they sometimes see themselves through a different prism than we do. I sincerely believe that she was telling me her inner feelings about herself when she covered that ground. As for her "arse," it is perfect. But, I truly think that she does not like it. I don't think she was fishing for compliments. She really isn't like that with me, and besides, I am constantly slobbering over her, telling her she is perfect for me in every way. She honestly believes herself not to be popular in the clubs with most of the men. I have told her many times that she is a diva, and that her beauty is only surpassed by her sweet personality and big heart.

On the other hand, I can also recall that Angry Girl did not want to be seen with me anywhere in public. She was always afraid that she would be seen by someone she knows. One-time, as we were standing together outside the hotel, she quickly ducked out of site because she said that her cousin had seen us together standing outside the hotel. She acted like we were total and complete strangers until her cousin passed by.

Then, we ducked into the hotel together. I asked her later if her cousin had seen us together, and she replied that she had, but that her cousin did not ask her any questions. There were times that I wanted to take her to Chilis or Applebee's, or one of the better Gringo restaurants, but she would only go to the "hole in the wall" places, where I know she thought she would not be seen with me by anyone she knows.

USb, you're funny. 'Look what I found' is MY line. When I leave the table and return with a girl, I always say 'Look what I found.'

Now to be frank, I can not believe you and G make out in public. There's no "look what I found" in this. It should be you who says that, not her. But still, I can't imagine you and her making out .... and in public? I mean, come on man, have some decency :-)

I am fully aware of the girls' desire to get bigger boobs. Even S wants to get fake boobs. Can you believe that? She has the most beautiful full natural boobs in the club and she says she wants bigger boobs. That idiot. She has a perfect body and she want fake boobs.

Even X. She wants bigger boobs. She is firm and size-wise perfect. If she gets bigger boobs, she'll probably fall flat on her face when she walks. The kids is so small.

Now when it comes to G's buns, she has the greatest arse in MTY. So soft, firm and cold to the touch. It is shocking that she does not like her arse. But I think it's her way of making you say what a nice arse she's got. You obviously don't complement her arse enough. get it? Sheesh, you have much to learn my friend.

Hey, let them take the white ones and leave us the morenas. Notice all the girls I hang out with are morenas? I have no attraction whatsoever to the white girls. I like them Pittsburg-style. Charred on the outside, red/pink on the inside.

Wasted

Member #3453

03-14-07, 14:18

When I was seeing Cindy #1, she was in a stage of life that made her long for a baby. She had not had a baby up to that point, and I believe that she had all but given up on finding love within a normal male/female relationship. I believe that she had an emptiness inside that made her conclude that by having a baby she could fill that void.

She had already had a number of failed relationships, and I think she just concluded that she would always have bad luck with men. A baby was her way of "manufacturing" unconditional love. There are many, many, strippers in Monterrey that identify with her same conclusions, and it seems that when they reach a certain age, maybe 23-26, they begin to believe they will never find true love with a man. Once they reach that conclusion, they all seem to naturally start looking for a sperm doner. That is one reason you will find so many single mothers in Monterrey.

For many of them, it's just a failed legitimate relationship gone bad, but for just as many of them, it's a calculated strategy to establish, in their sons and daughters, companionship and unconditional love for the rest of their lives in lieu of their realization that a conventional heterosexual relationship has no future potential for success in their individual cases.

Cindy #1 was the HOTTEST girl in Monterrey. I was visiting almost all the clubs at that time, and I honestly think she had the most unbelievably sensuous body, probably the best body of any girl in Monterry, and she was also one of the tighest girls I have ever know in my life.

At that time, I was foolishly barebacking her. I know it was stupid, but she was the hottest girl I had ever seen in my life. Death or disease, at the time, foolishly seemed a small price to pay in the heat of the moment :-)

I remember that she would roll back on her butt and push in all the way deep. I was so far into her that it was almost coming out of her mouth, hahaha, not literally of course, but it seemed like it. I recall that she milked me for every drop. I believe she wanted my baby.

Later, after she started to see another guy, she described him to me. She said he was of European decent, white skin, etc...That guy eventually fathered their son. They are no longer together...no surprise, but she tells me that he visits his son regularly, and that he is always attempting to get back in her pants. I don't blame him, although she has gained a lot of weight and is no longer really desireable physically in comparison to most other options in Monterrey.

She still has the ability, a personality that can be quite charming, but having a baby can really take it's toll. Her body is still relatively decent, but nothing like it was back then. I can honestly still say that, back in the day, she is the hottest girl I have ever had.

Oh, one more thing...she never believed that I had a visectomy, even when I would tell her that there was no possibility that we were going to have a baby together. I guess she thought I was just lying to her in order to screw her bareback. But, fortunately for me, I have been sterile now for at least 20 years, hardy har har har...Thank God, or there might have actually been a little USB running around MTY.

This a subject that has more or less been mentioned here, but it is quite relevant.
I know guys reading this might think that Iam pointing a finger to them, but many mongers coming to Monterrey have this weird and wrong idea that Monterrey is like SEA, full of pristine pussy ready to be BB, which is stupid for starters.
Some girls will get attached to repeat visitors, very seriously attached, like so that they will start letting themsleves be BBed by the monger.
Why? not because they love the feeling of an unprotected penis inside of them... they do it cause they want to get pregnant.
I haven't mentioned this, but 2 girls in the last 6 months have come up and been frank about their desire.
In my 25 years of going to the clubs... many more.
Ponder this next time a girl will let you do it BB with you........

Member #3453

03-14-07, 21:17

Sure, nothing has changed there in five years, and nobody else posts much of anything with respect to their experiences when they visit Monterrey. Those of us that are there regularly have said it ALL, and then some, probably a thousand times over already. But we stand ready to be of service to "Inquiring Minds."

Which are the girlfriendly hotels?, Where are the girls?, How much do they cost?, and on and on...(duh?)

Sooooooo, just let us know what you are wondering about, and you will get answers in spades.

If you're looking for cum soaked descriptions of our exploits however, we leave all that to the porn sites.

Most of what we are writing about has more esoteric value to the truly enlightened, and there is certainly more blather on here than some other sections of the board, but if you read closely you can gleen a significant insite into the Monterrey scene, one that is usually only obvious to those of us that visit regularly, or live there. Plus, you will be immediately answered by the best, most accomodating, friendliest team of respondents available on the board.

Besides, aren't the comments from us regulars, with lifetimes and years of experience in that scene, worth something, all be they sometimes admitedly cryptic in nature?

There is significantly more relevence to understanding that scene than you might initially appreciate, and our comments here are of value to anyone that has a desire to actually understand it, and is willing to read between the lines.

The cold reality is, were you to visit this section on the board without the range of comments you are reading, or were we to stop posting our blather here, there would literally be almost nothing on these pages, nothing at all, nothing of value, nothing esoteric, NOTHING!!! Verdad??? There is literally that little participation from ISG board members that visit Monterrey.

Nothing is stopping anyone from posting. I for one, have tired fingers, but a prolific mind :-) We regulars endeavor to keep this section active, if not with new reports, then commentary that relates to our exploits, whether you as a newcomer understand them or not. The alternative is relatively blank pages. I hope that helps you to understand why you are reading our drivel, and not a wealth of new, dynamic, titilating information.

Ummm, guys? Are there still women in Monterrey?

MonterreyDude

03-14-07, 21:39

Ghostbuster.... of course there are women.
Many and plenty for all tastes and clubs for wallet sizes.
Planning to come down here????

Ummm, guys? Are there still women in Monterrey?

Member #3453

03-14-07, 21:53

Now, Carlos...

You know there are NO woman in Monterrey. We are onto your little game. Quite trying to lure them down there.

Ghostbuster.... of course there are women.
Many and plenty for all tastes and clubs for wallet sizes.
Planning to come down here????

El Cabron 007

03-14-07, 23:13

Carlos, you pervert. I was reviewing old MTY posts and look what I found. You pervert, you always LOVED big asses.

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=533919&postcount=971

Wasted

On 11-25-06

Strike, all clubs here offer FS.
Of course the 5 star clubs will cost you around 3000 pesos for that down to the moderate priced ones, which will be in the range of 550-1200 pesos.
If you go to the recomended Obsession, Poisson and Metropolis (aka Premiere) you will become poor in less than 30 minutes. Poisson around 1 hour, but never the less, you'll end with an empty wallet.
Matehuala was a great club. It is not living it's former glories, BUT the brother club Infinito is a great place to visit with incredible looking girls, many that will go on a "salida" with you for 120 dlls, including bar fine.
Strike says: "I like girls with big tits and big asses".
Guys (WastedG and Unspongebob that know me well)... is this my kind of future friend???
Don't worry, you'll find plenty of this here.
Budget: 140 dlls will buy you a lot here. Just consider a little more for extras... make it 200 dlls. I spend less than 50 dlls with the club girls (no FS in this example) and get a lot.
Ask your questions Strike.
Me and the guys will gladly answer them.

MonterreyDude

03-14-07, 23:16

Caught with my hands in the ass... the girls big ass, that is.

Carlos, you pervert. I was reviewing old MTY posts and look what I found. You pervert, you always LOVED big asses.

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=533919&postcount=971

Wasted

On 11-25-06

MonterreyDude

03-15-07, 08:47

Ghostbuster, in my post (#1406) I did offer help.
As you say, please be specific in you questions...
No one coming to Monterrey has left town dissapointed.
NO ONE.
So, if you have an inquery, this is the time.
Post your questions.

Yeah but who wants to wade into all this blather to find an occasional pearl of wisdom? Not to be a rude boy but I don't care about what you like or dislike about history or sociology or even the types of women you like. Having sparse but direct posts about specifics would makeit easier for 99% of us to find what we're lookn for. I just want to fuck hookers. These comments and long ass posts don't contriibute anything to the general well being of this section. Remember the ISG is 4 information about fucking *****s and if what you say doesn't contribute to that end then it doesnt belong here. These stupid novels being written here are just a waste of bandiwth and I'm surprised Jackson hasn't just deleted them for being the waste of space that they are. I'm sure there are other sections on ISG where you can talk about philosophy and why you love some hooker. Or better yet just go on MSN messanger and you can talkabout "p" and The "X" at the "I" to your heart's content.

Prokofiev

03-15-07, 09:51

Carlos,

I thank you for your maps and info. But Ghostbuster, Nibs and many others are bothered by the same thing that I am.

Why are you guys talking in code? "The M girl at the "I" place said that the Y girl at the "M" place was at the "H" place . . . blah, blah, blah" . That is of NO use to ANYONE but your group of 3. This is what private messages are for. Same thing with " I will be there next week and . . . blah, blah". If you have a little club and want to hook up, just PM each other or send E-mails. None of this is of any help or interest to the rest of us.

Also, if you want others to post their info, you need to be respectful of what others post. If someone posts about a MP, you immediately reply that it is a waste of time, despite not having visited the place yourself. We ALL have our favorites and our own ideas as to what is good. But I would have more respect if you guys posted . . . "Went to Signore last night per your recommendation. Hooked up with Theresa for 250 pesos. Was not impressed because . . . and didn't like the room because . . ." etc. Our tastes may vary, but if you Dog my info without having visited or met the girl, you are just negating what I posted. Not cool . . .

What would be useful? How about . . . " Went to Harem last night and met my favorita, Maria. She is a tall, 22yo morena with a a big top. Very sweet girl. Nice CBJ and FS. Asks for 350 pesos but will accept 250p in the privado. Will do a salida for 900p. Treat her right." Why consider them as your personal property? Do you think that these girls are not fucking someone else 5-10 times a night? Isn't the whole idea of the ISG to help others find these girls? So many of these posts are about "your girl" or "my girl". That is the opposite of what this forum is all about. It should be about sharing info, names, locations, prices etc. A certain amount of "I am in love . . ." is to be expected and can lend a bit of humanity to these descriptions. But page after page of this stuff gets old very quickly, and speaking in code only makes things worse. And in the end, 50yo-something guys talking about cheating on their wives with teenaged Mexican hookers and being in love is best left for Jerry Springer (. . . or Carmen Salinas in Mexico!)

I don't want to be rude. I DO appreciate the info. It's just that there is SO little info lately. I'm sure you are all great guys. I have made 4 visits to Monterrey and have enjoyed myself immensely. But I have posted here very little because I am not in your club and do not share your experiences and preferences. Monterey IS a great destination. IMO the BEST in all of Mexico. But different strokes for different folks and we need to be far more inclusive if we want this forum to be of real value.

Peace out . . . -P

Round the World

03-15-07, 09:58

Hey Ghostbuster,
Some words of advice, until you post some information of value yourself, you should refrain from criticizing others if you want to eventually become a valued member of the community (MTY or ISG in general).

Don't paint yourself as one of those newbies who rudely ask for information without contributing anything in return.

Lastly, RTFF if you need info, if you don't like reading someone's report keep scrolling and don't assume that the info provided here by Senior members is for your sole benefit.

Prokofiev, I respect your contributions and I agree the MTY thread is certainly different than others. Each thread seems to have it's own tone. The FKK threads are very detailed and graphic, the Colombia threads are overly argumentative, and MTY is certainly more metaphysical and cryptic.

But there are reasons for this, for example, the girls can get in trouble with their clubs for doing extracurricular activities. One girl was fined 1000p for seeing me on the side when someone ratted on her. Thus the guys here are not only protecting themselves but, to some degree, the girls.

And you can't really say this thread and its members are not providing valuable info to earnest compatriots. When people are polite and need info, as you yourself have seen, the members here (usually Carlos) will provide a wealth of information and hospitality usually in private or in person. It pisses me off to see people abuse Carlos' hospitality with rude behavior.

RtW

Member #3453

03-15-07, 13:05

I agree that much of what we post is esoteric and cryptic, and that we should all try to limit that. I agree that things are probably getting out of hand with respect to our own personal exploits, our blather, our cryptic, esoteric messages to one another. I agree that for lack of a chat section, our posts are making it difficult to quickly find pertinent information. I am the worst offender.

But, those exploits are not meant to be public boastings, as suggested by some that are less than congenial in their opinions. But, they are usually meant as responses to comments made by vets that know our personal circumstances, and have made prior comments about those circumstances in their postings.

In those instances, I believe that we are, myself included, utilizing the board as a private message vehicle. But, I must also point out that not all the posted blather is worthless meaningless drivel, not if the reader is sharp. Frankly, there are too many lazy lurkers, too many bitching wanna be's, and too few legitimate contributors here. Some of what is posted within the blather is meaningful and useful strategically. But, it takes an especially discerning reader to process it as such.

The girls that work in the clubs are, for the most part, entertainers. That is how they see themselves. I know it's hard to believe, but most of them do see themselves as pros. Most of them do not do that many salidas, and most of their services are performed on-site.

In that respect, I supposed you could categorize them as pros. But, they are not in the same category as what many mongers envision as pros. That is, they do not necessarily prostitute themselves with just anybody that comes to town. They will do so in the clubs, but they are compelled to do that in order to hold onto their jobs. And, even then, many girls will not do anything in the privados other than lap dances. Many girls will not do salidas either.

Many girls that claim not to do salidas, and do not do them as a general policy, will eventually agree to leave the clubs to provide you their services, but only after they know you pretty well. If you learn the ropes in Monterrey, you can achieve worldclass mongering from some of these girls, GFE kinds of performance that rivals what you can get in Thailand, the PI, Colombia, etc...

But, it requires a different approach to achieve the same level of performance as these notorious venues. Some of the girls are just not typical pros. I stipulate this because some of the girls we see are not in the same category as the typical TJ, or border town pro. It requires an understanding of the Monterrey scene to fully appreciate the potential. The things we comment on here can enable the reader to navigate the scene, and achieve the best level of experience...if they will only read and listen.

We vets of MTY that are so prolific with our drivel, are much closer to these "pros" than can sometimes be imagined, and our cryptic messages are meant to protect us individually from fallout that might result from the indiscriminate stupidty of many a monger. Most of the occassional visitors to MTY are one hit wonders who blow into town, do their damage, sometimes never to return, or returning very infrequently. Their approach is amateurrish at best, IMHO.

It's been suggested that we provide recommendations on which specific girls to see, etc...I will not do that. I have been burned more times than I care to remember by providing direct information on boards about certain girls. To answer the question why we are so cryptic in our descriptions of the girls, there is always some goof-ball that will divulge specifically where they got the information, and it usually traces directly back to us individually. Plus, the girls we vets see are not in the massage parlors, and their jobs can be easily jeapardized in the clubs by our divulging their extra curricular activities.

Those of us that frequent MTY have our own network of girls established, usually girls that provide their services to us with a meaningful expectation of superior repeat performances, usually at a significantly reduced cost, or free of charge, not to mention significantly increased time spans compared to what is customarily offered, and with a level of GFE sincerity that surpasses anything you will likely experience from any typical pro, certainly superior than anything you could imagine from a typical Mexican bar girl in TJ and the border towns. These are also all the same reasons I NEVER post photos.

I don't say all of this to brag or boast as was previously suggested, but to illustrate to the reader the potential that awaits you also. If only the worst offenders will only listen and stop bitching. If only the impatient would learn from the comments of the veterans that work that venue regurlarly, they would potentially profit from the knowledge. What is primarily commented on here are trip reports, all be they sometimes presented in cryptic form, or with some degree of discretion. But, the gyst of their meaning, and the information contained in many of the comments can be interpreted to understand the Monterrey scene more completely.

Bottom line...we are not pimps for the lazy lurkers that want the information delivered to them on a silver plater, most of which we gladly do anyway when asked directly.

One limitation on ISG is that we do not have a chat board where we can post the kind of drivel that clogs the reports section. Jackson has instituted a survey for suggestions, and I am immediately going to submit that suggestion, a chat board, through the survey that's solicited on the home page, along with a suggestion that the number of characters permitted by the PM feature be increased.

But, even with a chat board, I recall seeing on other boards that have a chat board feature, the same bitching goes on from some board members who are "wound a little too tight," and who are apparently "literarily challenged" as well. Some are never satisfied, even if they have both a chat board for drivel, and a reports section for pertinent detailed information. Different strokes for different folks, or maybe it's just plain contensciousness from some shit disturbers. I sometimes think it's the later.

The other suggestion made her is that the PM function should be used to make all of our cryptic commentary to one another. But, the PM section is severly limited in the amount of characters one can enter. I sometimes find this to be very frustrating when I am responding to private message questions that come to me from newbies.

As you are all aware, I have a difficult time being brief with my comments, and you might just imagine my difficulties with being concise and brief with respect to replies made to members that have inquired of me to comment about Monterrey through the private message system.

Generally, my response to members like "Ghostbuster" would be that he is free to skip over my drivel if it offends him so much. But, in this instance, because he is correct that our drivel makes finding information more difficult specifically due to the limitations on ISG, I have to agree with the substance of his position.

I can understand his frustration, but I fail to understand his psychological need to act in such a crass manner in articulating it. I am not so unreasonable that I would discount a well presented and intellegent position, such as what was articulated by MJ. Obviously, if our members conduct themselves with some decorum, rather than being of a confrontational spirit, the board is going to be much better off. Obviously, Ghostbuster is a veteran of the board, one that we probably all know.

I will attempt to limit my blather in an effort to be a "good citizen" of the board. But, if we all agree to do that, I suspect the board will be very, very, quiet indeed. I for one, will probably lose interst in checking it. It will be up to the rest of you to populate these pages with all this meaningful information that is apparently lacking then.

With all due respect as someone who has been guilty of waxing poetic a few times too often--This Monterrey area has become a total mess and has succeeded in driving people away from posting real reports. This thing reads like Charlie Brown's teacher speaks "wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhhh." Not that USB's insights or Wasted's sexcapades aren't interesting, but this board is for specifics that would direct us towards good chicas at a good price, something that I at least try to do in the Morelia section (hence being a senior member with extensive experience and less than 200 posts.) I will only post things that are of interest to the general reader thinking of coming to Morelia. I usually refrain from giving specifics like phone numbers to people I don't know, but all else is fair game. There is no purpose for me to post when I don't have any info to share (or no info that I wish to share.)

What has bothered me for a while is the whole "My girl" attitude that Proko mentioned. If you don't wish to direct us towards a specific chica, then what the hell is the purpose in mentioning her, whether in code or not? To prove that you get laid in a bar full of prostitutes? I don't get it. This is what the PM feature is for- to share info not intended for the general public to see, to arrange meetings with other members and to share tidbits of your personal interactions with the chicas.

I haven't learned anything from reading this Monterrey area of the ISG that would make me have an easier time in Monterrey. Nothing. USB was the only person to help me out in a PM when I just didn't feel like dealing with all the verbage from reading these long, meaningless posts that fester here. I am a veteran in Mexico and I lost interest in visiting Monterrey. I can just imagine a newbie coming in and leaving disgusted after reading 20 pages of nothing useful.

And with all due respect, RTW, we shouldn't have to scroll through pages of filler just to find something even resembling a trip report. Many of us download this info provided or print it out to take with us on a mongering trip. I will not bother going through 1,500 posts just to find the one that actually contains useful information. I shouldn't have to. And, as a responsible member, I wouldn't want others to have to either. Also, I don't buy the "protecting the women" thing. Most of what has been mentioned using the silly codes, takes place in the bar and on a salida and wouldn't hurt them. And even if it would, I think most of us here are trustworthy enough to get a very general chica name and description without trying to stalk them. Other specifics like phone numbers can be given to trusted members through the PM system. Why all the codes? The whole purpose of this board is to exchange INFORMATION that would benefit fellow members and using the codes cuts off all but 3 or 4 people here and adds nothing to the Monterrey section of the ISG. These are not your girlfriends, they are sex workers being written about in a message bord dedicated to sharing information about sex workers.

Awhile back, I was upset when Jackson initiated the no cross-talk rule. I must admit, though, that I was wrong and this Monterrey area is a testament to what can happen when pen pals get control of what used to be a public forum. I will visit Monterrey and I will post the info I get, but I will be starting practically from zero because, other than the fact that someobody went to a gay bar with a chica and that Carlos likes ugly girls with big asses, I learned almost nothing here.

MonterreyDude

03-15-07, 17:49

Prokofiev
Ghostbuster has only 2 post. Period. And even with those 2 posts I know he's a lurker by the way he writes. He came into the Thread wielding the sword as if he knew every aspect of the place.
Wasted, RTH and Me have fully made clear via posts that we only go to a certain number of places, not MPs (which I fully dislike), so. I guess it is impossible to write reviews of places I don't go to.
Pro, when ever you ask, I answer honestly and fully, to you and to anyone that wants to come to Monterrey (I can't say mine cause you guys are going to say I own it).
Or am I wrong?
And this discusion is not new to me, I already had it in my Yahoo Group, the most important factor is and many know it well, the girls treat me differently cause am a local and a good regular customer.
I can not say that such and such girl does this and that to me, cause they will not do it to visiting parties.
One of the major points that really emphasize this is the fact that girls will do salidas with me, not with strangers.
Like I said, I aim to help visitors coming down here.

Carlos,

I thank you for your maps and info. But Ghostbuster, Nibs and many others are bothered by the same thing that I am.

Why are you guys talking in code? "The M girl at the "I" place said that the Y girl at the "M" place was at the "H" place . . . blah, blah, blah" . That is of NO use to ANYONE but your group of 3. This is what private messages are for. Same thing with " I will be there next week and . . . blah, blah". If you have a little club and want to hook up, just PM each other or send E-mails. None of this is of any help or interest to the rest of us.

Also, if you want others to post their info, you need to be respectful of what others post. If someone posts about a MP, you immediately reply that it is a waste of time, despite not having visited the place yourself. We ALL have our favorites and our own ideas as to what is good. But I would have more respect if you guys posted . . . "Went to Signore last night per your recommendation. Hooked up with Theresa for 250 pesos. Was not impressed because . . . and didn't like the room because . . ." etc. Our tastes may vary, but if you Dog my info without having visited or met the girl, you are just negating what I posted. Not cool . . .

What would be useful? How about . . . " Went to Harem last night and met my favorita, Maria. She is a tall, 22yo morena with a a big top. Very sweet girl. Nice CBJ and FS. Asks for 350 pesos but will accept 250p in the privado. Will do a salida for 900p. Treat her right." Why consider them as your personal property? Do you think that these girls are not fucking someone else 5-10 times a night? Isn't the whole idea of the ISG to help others find these girls? So many of these posts are about "your girl" or "my girl". That is the opposite of what this forum is all about. It should be about sharing info, names, locations, prices etc. A certain amount of "I am in love . . ." is to be expected and can lend a bit of humanity to these descriptions. But page after page of this stuff gets old very quickly, and speaking in code only makes things worse. And in the end, 50yo-something guys talking about cheating on their wives with teenaged Mexican hookers and being in love is best left for Jerry Springer (. . . or Carmen Salinas in Mexico!)

I don't want to be rude. I DO appreciate the info. It's just that there is SO little info lately. I'm sure you are all great guys. I have made 4 visits to Monterrey and have enjoyed myself immensely. But I have posted here very little because I am not in your club and do not share your experiences and preferences. Monterey IS a great destination. IMO the BEST in all of Mexico. But different strokes for different folks and we need to be far more inclusive if we want this forum to be of real value.

Peace out . . . -P

MonterreyDude

03-15-07, 18:36

You both know am a local boy.
Lived in Monterrey for 48 years, 25 of those dedicated to the night life.
Both of you in a sense posted that no information is being placed here in this Thread.
Information is indeed placed here on a "need to know" basis.
This information has helped many, including both of you to have a good time here in Monterrey.... or am I wrong?
Back to me being a local.
You both know that the clubs are here to make money. To squeeze the wallets of those that do not know how the clubs work, raise the prices to exploit the inocent and how the girls manage their clients to rip them off.
Clubs do not rip off me nor my friends, nor my out of town friends and visitors cause I make sure of that.
What do I do as a local? I stir them away of clubs that are tourist traps, girls that are troublesome, girls that have sticky fingers. Waiters that are thieves.
Help them if they are in trouble in these matters.
In person if the visitor whishes too.
Let me ask you something to you guys that just come down here for quickies and then go back to the confort of your homes.
Do you think the clubs agree to me assiting "dumb gringos" in not spending their money, throwing it away stupidly and aimlessly?
Of course not, the house is geared to get your money without mercy.
Just 2 Fridays ago we watched as 2 Amercians were conned by 2 Five star club girls out of 1000 dlls each.
You know what the comments were on Monday? "oh those stupid gringos that fell for every jarra the girls asked" Oh yes, the guys complained about the tab, the service, that they were bieng conned... uselessly.
I wanted to go over to them and tell them that they were bieng robbed. You know what would have happend to me? I would have been kicked out and banned from the club.
You know what the managers, the one's I am friend too, tell me? "Why the f**k do you help them, let them throw their money, they have plenty"... meaning you guys coming down here, thinking that you are rich.
You know how many insults I have to dodge from the girls that I do not allow to come even near to my friends from this Board and other boards mainly coming from the US?
No you don't, cause you go back home, back to your lives.
Not me, I live here.
My life is bumping into the girls at the malls, some times while being with my wife or maybe at a restaurant or movie theater.
Or better yet, finding out a brand promoting girl at the HEB food center one minute away from home, where you do your weekly shopping is a retired club girl.
And you know why nothing happens in those brief moments of panic you never get to live, cause you are not from here?
Cause the girls respect me. Thankfully.
Now, coming back to the point in mind:
Is this Thread useful?
Are our comments helpufull?
Do I or do not help the visitors coming down here to Monterrey?
Do the visitors coming down here leave Monterrey dissatisfied after getting advise from this Thread?
If the answer is yes, good.
If the answer is no... I'll guess I'll just retire .... NOT!
We have a nice helpful family over here... hopefully it'll stay this way.

Round the World

03-15-07, 19:53

proko and mill
i am sorry, i didnt realize you were the forum police. perhaps next you can go straighten out the colombia threads and make them highly informative for all the zero post noobs too.... just kidding.

but seriously i understand wanting to make the forum a better place. i really wish there was stricter editorial control also. but the spirit and intent is far better on this thread than many others. and bottom line the regulars will help those in need far more here than anywhere else. they just dont make it obvious for many good reasons.

i think we can make this thread a better place by first ending this argument and let people post what they are willing to post.

MonterreyDude

03-15-07, 20:13

Am sorry we are not posting what you want, but by the way, if you know we don't do MPs you should be more persistant.
You've been here a couple of times, not many compared to the other guys, but enough to leave a mark.
(By the way, reporting on an MP is a total waste of time and virtual space... by the time someone else wonders into the one mentioned, all the girls posted by the poster are gone.)
And don't start again that the Thread is full of BS.... you think it's BS cause you don't do clubs.
This thread benefits from the posts of those that participate, not from the ones that think that they are participating reading and getting all the benefits with nothing in return.
One thing: I have nothing against them... please feel free to read, please feel free to learn and ask if in doubt.
Pro: USB comes down here once a month, Wasted every 3 weeks, you... you need to come more and meet the gang.
I guess that would entitle us to a little more chat than usual, why? because we are fast friends.
By the way Pro, please check the Nibu Raphael thread at the South America-Peru Section... read the posts.

" Is this Thread useful?
Are our comments helpufull?
Do I or do not help the visitors coming down here to Monterrey?"

Yes, I already thanked you for your maps and info. But that doesn't mean you should turn a public forum like ISG into a little penpal club. You guys seem to be missing the point. How can you possibly think that posts about "angry girl at "the I place" etc, etc could be of ANY use to more than 2 or 3 personal friends? That is what the PM function is for. And if you can't fit it in a PM, then just exchange group E-mails with the 3-4 guys. Is writing Infinito more difficult than " the I place"? It appears you guys are bragging about stuff that the rest of us should not know about. THAT is what is not helpful and has others upset.

" Bottom line...we are not pimps for lazy lurkers that want the information delivered to them on a silver plater"

Posts like this are insulting. I wouldn't characterize Mill Just (formerly Miller2K) as a lazy lurker. And if delivering info makes you a pimp . . . so be it! That is the PURPOSE of this forum! It is NOT a chatroom. I think that may be the basic cause of the problem. Mill has made over a 1000 posts over the years on this the the previous forum and has helped me and many others with his info about Mexico. Plus he's a good guy. Like myself and others, he is frustrated by your style of communication. Too much like a private little club. Too much "We are Vets", "my girls", "his girl" stuff. If these girls are REALLY just your private girlfriends and wont go out with anyone else, then there is no need to talk about them here. But I also think you guys give yourselves a bit too much credit. I may be wrong, but somehow I doubt these ladies are in love with you. They are pros and work for money. They can never do a salida with us because you don't post any names or info. Rather self-fulfilling prediction.

" Lastly, RTFF if you need info, if you don't like reading someone's report keep scrolling"

That would work if there wasn't SO much extra stuff. Just to get thu Mar and Feb 2007 you need 16 pages of reading with 15-20 post per page! Guys PLEASE quit using the QUOTE function to copy USBs posts in total. Everything ends up being printed 2 or 3 times - and these posts are enormous. Just copy and paste an important line or better yet just start out USB. . . and write your reply. It would keep this much more readable

" . . .and don't assume that the info provided here by Senior members is for your sole benefit"

Well, I don't. But neither should it be for the benefit of 1 or 2 members. That is for the PM function. Posts here should be for the benefit of ALL. Agreed?

Finally, just as Nibu Rafael has his own little section maybe USB could have a thread just for him? That would cut out 70% of the words and make finding info so much easier. Those who want to chat with him can post there and the rest put hard info on the forum.

-P

El Cabron 007

03-15-07, 22:51

Wow Porko, although Carlos and USB are my very very good friends, I can not, for the life of me, argue with what you said. <-- Period

One piece of advice, if you must address USB's long posts, you should expect a longer reply from him. I learned that the hard way. But USB is a great writer and many readers look forward to his reports. At the risk of being rude, I'd say, if you do not like his reports, add him to your ignore list. This will cut your search by 60% or 80%. You yourself obviously do read his reports.

Another point, and I am surprised Carlos did not bring it up yet, is that some visitors, get this, print out a report and take it to the club. They will look for the girl in the report and read it to her asking for the same service. Do you think I will ever declare a girl's name knowing what 'others' might do? Especially since I am, I think, the most frequent visitor to MTY and I have my circle of girls? No way my friend. The last thing I want to hear is, ok here it comes, my 'X' girl shaking her finger at me because some dude has a full report of what I did with her. No thanks. If you only knew 'X" you'd understand. She would cut my balls off. I'm sure the group who knows me, and her, will agree.

Anyways, It's refreshing to see other post here. Be it an argument or comments. This is a public board and we are all entitled to our own opinions.

I have yet to try a MP in MTY. I don't even know what they look like on the inside. If others like them, there must be something good about them.

And finally, I will confirm Carlos' comments about 'our' girls. You MUST hang out with us to understand. It is unlike any other mongering adventures you have ever seen. It is, with the full meaning of the word, SPECIAL. For some odd reason, the word ‘Harem’ comes to mind. I mean, come on, during the line up at Prestige last time I was there, all but 3 girls shouted out my name when they realized I was there. The 3 others were new.

Oh, one final-final word. I tried to grab one girl once at the Infinito during the lineup. My girls, on stage, yelled '"No, no, She is Carlos' girl". Does that give you an idea? Of course I knew that but the son of a fish, Carlos, grabbed one of my girls, followed me upstairs and switched girls with me. Grrrrrrr.

Wasted

Carlos,

I thank you for your maps and info. But Ghostbuster, Nibs and many others are bothered by the same thing that I am.

Why are you guys talking in code? "The M girl at the "I" place said that the Y girl at the "M" place was at the "H" place . . . blah, blah, blah" . That is of NO use to ANYONE but your group of 3. This is what private messages are for. Same thing with " I will be there next week and . . . blah, blah". If you have a little club and want to hook up, just PM each other or send E-mails. None of this is of any help or interest to the rest of us.

Also, if you want others to post their info, you need to be respectful of what others post. If someone posts about a MP, you immediately reply that it is a waste of time, despite not having visited the place yourself. We ALL have our favorites and our own ideas as to what is good. But I would have more respect if you guys posted . . . "Went to Signore last night per your recommendation. Hooked up with Theresa for 250 pesos. Was not impressed because . . . and didn't like the room because . . ." etc. Our tastes may vary, but if you Dog my info without having visited or met the girl, you are just negating what I posted. Not cool . . .

What would be useful? How about . . . " Went to Harem last night and met my favorita, Maria. She is a tall, 22yo morena with a a big top. Very sweet girl. Nice CBJ and FS. Asks for 350 pesos but will accept 250p in the privado. Will do a salida for 900p. Treat her right." Why consider them as your personal property? Do you think that these girls are not fucking someone else 5-10 times a night? Isn't the whole idea of the ISG to help others find these girls? So many of these posts are about "your girl" or "my girl". That is the opposite of what this forum is all about. It should be about sharing info, names, locations, prices etc. A certain amount of "I am in love . . ." is to be expected and can lend a bit of humanity to these descriptions. But page after page of this stuff gets old very quickly, and speaking in code only makes things worse. And in the end, 50yo-something guys talking about cheating on their wives with teenaged Mexican hookers and being in love is best left for Jerry Springer (. . . or Carmen Salinas in Mexico!)

I don't want to be rude. I DO appreciate the info. It's just that there is SO little info lately. I'm sure you are all great guys. I have made 4 visits to Monterrey and have enjoyed myself immensely. But I have posted here very little because I am not in your club and do not share your experiences and preferences. Monterey IS a great destination. IMO the BEST in all of Mexico. But different strokes for different folks and we need to be far more inclusive if we want this forum to be of real value.

Peace out . . . -P

MonterreyDude

03-15-07, 23:06

Me too... I give up too.
Peace and love guys...
By the way... am still waiting for GB's SPECIFIC questions to what he is looking for in Monterrey.
He started the war and then he packs up and leaves... very funny.

I give up .....

El Cabron 007

03-15-07, 23:10

Not so fast Carlos. I did not know you get kickbacks. I want a refund. Or you can make it up to me next time by letting me have, what's her face, the one at the O place? She's cute.

Wasted

Me too... I give up too.
Peace and love guys...
By the way... am still waiting for GB's SPECIFIC questions to what he is looking for in Monterrey.
He started the war and then he packs up and leaves... very funny.

Member #3453

03-15-07, 23:13

mj,

this statement is really totally uncalled for, and...well, i am speechless, if that's possible :-)

"i also suspect that maybe you have a little more interest in getting the gringos to the clubs than just wanting to "protect" us stupid gringos. maybe your interest is a lot more selfish than you would like them to believe. can anyone say "kickback?"

Member #3453

03-16-07, 02:03

MJ said.

"And with respect to not being a pimp and not being willing to hand out information: Then why are you a member of ISG? I'm sure when you were new here, you reaped the benefits of some helpful posts and some specific information. And now that you got what you wanted, you refuse that same courtesy to the next generation? That's just being selfish. "

Being a member of ISG has nothing to do with pimping girls. I am surprised that you, an austensibly experienced monger, would even feel the need to gleen specific information about any girl in particular. No experienced monger requires that kind of information. Furthermore, anyone that knows Monterrey also knows, especially with respect to Massage Parlor recommendations, that the landscape changes constantly with respect to specific girls. On the other hand, there are specific girls that have worked this venue for years, most of which I would not recommend. The best girls are usually newbies, girls that have no track record to recommend. That's why an over-reliance on pimped girls is usually a dead end. They are never as they are represented to be, not because the reporter was lying, but because chemistry varies.

The only information I have ever needed for any mongering venue worldwide, has been logistical in nature. NEVER have I ever felt the need to pimp-up a girl just because some other monger thought she was hot. Frankly, anyone with any reasonable degree of experience would know that every girl's performance varies, usually in direct proportion to every mongers preferences, likes, dislikes, budget, etc.

As for my willingness to provide information, I have never denied a request for information that was specific to logistics. Fact is, I have provided so much specific logistical information that nothing is usually left to the imagination. You must know this merely based upon my extensive responses and the length of my reports to realize as much.

MJ said,

"Then Proko posts a legit report and gets lambasted, basically called an idiot in an indirect way for providing the info because it doesn't gel with what you guys feel is really important"

I welcome Prok's reports. I welcome anyone's reports. But, sometimes the guys doing the reporting, seem to be reporting amateurish conclusions. This is especially obvious to we that know Monterrey well. But, even when we recognize that situation exists, I have never witnessed one instance where any poster was lambasted over what they reported. They may have been told of other options, they may have been corrected in some misconstrued conclusions, etc. But, it has always been done with proper decorum, and in a cordual and helpful manner. Our replies have always been with the member's best interest at heart, along with a desire to guide them to a more rewarding experience.

MJ said,

"The fact that there aren't any specifics EVER mentioned makes me start to think that maybe there are a lot of exaggerations going on. "

I am sorry you feel that we're lying to the forum with our reports. Obviously, if you come to Monterrey again, perhaps there are others participating in this section, others from which you will have a more secure feeling that the information you are being given is legitimate. From my perspective, there is really only a very select few from which I would feel secure in receiving any advice with respect to Monterrey, and you have conversed with all of them today. That's not a slam against any that wish to post their experiences, but I know one thing, I know Monterrey, and I also know the veracity of the individuals that know Monterrey well. I know where I will be going to get any additional information I may need about Monterrey.

MJ said,

"Like I said to USB, all the off topic, inane banter has created an atmosphere not conducive to on topic talk. "

When there is new relevant information, it's posted here for all to see, with the exception of specific information about the girls themselves. My personal policy when visiting Monterrey is to look for logistical changes to report to the board. Frankly, changes in the overall Monterrey scene are far and few between, just as they must also be on your home turf.

If you want to find information in a compartmentalized format, where you can easily determine all of what you want to know, without spending a lot of time researching it, from an area that has as large a scene as Monterrey, I doubt there is another section on this board with information that is as easy to find. Most of the sections on here with scenes as large as Monterrey are just as fragmented, with just as much banter occurring between members, with usually significantly more contention between arguing members, etc. At least with respect to the Monterrey section, all that most members need do is to ask if they are having trouble finding information about Monterrey. We could not be any more FRICKIN' accomodating!

Mic Jagger

03-16-07, 13:43

Everyone take a chill pill. Each party seems to have some valid points. People come to these forums to be informed and I believe for some light entertainmet. (some of these post are funny and entertaining). There is no reason to flame one another if don't like someones writing style or comments.

Note, that there are very few contributers to the Monterrey forum and if it wasn't for a handful of these guys there would be very little posting here. Our Nuevo Laredo group went through some disagreements and now the forum has died down significantly. Bummer indeed.

This is form Jackson himself:

Using Ignore Lists (02-08-06)
I just finished responding to more than 100 reported posts, a task that in itself will give anyone a headache, but this particular batch struck me has having an unusually high number of complaints that essentially amounted to one member not liking another member's writing style or report content, which leads me to offer this general suggestion:

If you don't like another Forum Member's reports, then simply add them to your "Ignore List" and you'll never see their reports again.
You can access your personal "Ignore List" under your User CP. Just login, select "User CP" from the top menu bar, then select "Buddy / Ignore Lists" from the left side column.

To my long winded brothers, could you tone it down a bit, to my more critical brothers, exercise your "ignore list" if you wish that's why Jackson has it.

Just my 2cents. Peace. Mic Jagger.

Note to Carlos: We recognize your contributions and thank you for it, but don't be so sensitive. You the man in Monterrey.

Member #3453

03-16-07, 13:44

MJ,

GFE sex has nothing to do with naivete. I am getting what I like. It is that simple. As for my experience mongering, I have already covered that ground. Have you mongered outside of Mexico, and do you have any other frame of reference on which to base your conclusions about what is truly available in the world? If so, lets hear it.

As for my own vulnerability, your premise that I am somehow a bumbling, naive, buffoon that could be easily setup is very sadly mistaken. You don't know me other than to read my posts, which contain a signficant amount of unquantifiable, esoteric rhetoric about GFE mongering, no more, no less. Just because I comment in posts with introspective observations, doesn't mean I am some damned fool with no common sense. Fact is, my experience makes me less likely to be the victim. I have seen it all.

As for my being "Sappy," you have no idea the numbers of guys that have commented on their enjoyment of the "Sappy" content of my posts, and the numbers of them that have also revealed to me that they seek something more, emotionally, than to screw a chica on a massage table. There is something more you know, much more...really!

As for my being in "love" with a particular chica, my ramblings are trip reports whether you like the way they are presented or not. Implying there is "Love" between me an any pro, regardless of whether I imply it or you imply it, has little to do with my reporting what I found, and the sphere of my experience, including why I prefer that type of experience to banging some third rate pro on a massage table.

The bottom line there is that if I am in fact reporting my perceptions of my specific circumstances in Monterrey, those comments ARE mongering reports, whether you appreciate the content of their messages, or whether they give you a coronary reading them. You are presently engaged in criticizing the content of reports that I regularly submit to this section. You are out of line, and your preference for one type of report versus another is at odds with many a monger that have told me just quite the opposite. I respect you right to dislike my commentary, but I do not respect your open criticizm of it as not be on topic.

There are just as many mongers out there who's only goal is to see how many chicas they can screw in a day. The girls are simply a piece of meat to them. I understand that perspective, but that kind of mongering doesn't appeal to me. There are other kinds of mongering you know. Based on your comments, I sincerely doubt that you have experienced both kinds of mongering, or perhaps you subscribe to the later version only, which is fine.

I don't criticize that preference generally, but it's become quite obvious that we are from two different camps. You like your massage girls, and I like my GFE quality club girls. You are apparently getting what you like, and I can assure you I am getting what I like in spades.

Admitedly, my posts are introspective, philosophical, and contemplative, but they have also provided significant volumes of information and pertinent mongering advice as well, at least for those that are open minded enough to gleen insight from them.

I make no apologies for the content of my posts. If you don't want to read them, and you don't like the sappy way I present my "stories," then just put me on your ignore list. If my contemplative, sappy approach offends your sensibilities, or convicts you somehow philosophically, mentally, emotionally, or internally, then put me on the ignore list.

At this juncture, I think you need to ask yourself one thing...And, I ask this same question of any that choose to present themselves they way a few of you have over the last 24 hours...

Why are you burning your bridges with the ones in Monterrey that would have formerly helped you gladly with anything? Is it worth it to read a few cum drenched, made-up, bull-shit recommendations about specific girls in the massage parlos scene, a scene that changes weekly in Monterrey?

Besides, in my so called "limited" experience, recommendations such as those are generally not consistently accurate between one monger and another. It is always a "your mileage may vary" proposition. So, what good are those kinds of reports anyway? What advantage have gained as a result of issuing your opinions in such a crass manner?

You know what, I have to tell you one thing. As for the other sections of the board, unless I am going to certain venues and need logistical information, I do not even read them for entertainment. Fact is, I do not consult the pages of ISG for necessary information. I have other sources of information where most of the posters are more experienced in the venue. I have never visited your section of the board, nor would I barge onto your turf and start criticizing your presentation of your posted material.

Realize one thing my friend...we are going to maintain our presence here in the manner we choose to do so. We are the only reliable resource in Monterrey, and I don't appreciate your sarcastic comments when I know that we have all been more than accomodating to every monger that has ever inquired about the logistics of successfully enjoying the Monterrey scene.

Most of what we have said over that last 24 hours within this forum has directly related to mongering, all be it an argument between differing philosophies about what kind of information we desire, and how we choose to present it. But it has been totally and completely on point, as is many of our posts, notwithstanding the banter that is also sprinkled within the more austensibly "relevant" material.

If you think our section of the board is a shambles, then retreat back to your little corner of the world, and impose your own brand of moderation on your own board. If you have something to contribute here, then you're free to do so, just as we encourage everyone to do so. But, stop telling us how to contribute to a forum where we are the most knowledgeable, are most reliable in our recommendations, and are the most sought after with respect to inquiries about a venue you know virtually nothing about.

Uno, I don't need anybody's personal advice on how to monger, but others without our experience might.

And while indirectly doubting my ability, you should look at yourself. A really experienced monger wouldn't be all sappy and fall in love with a prostitute like you do. Man, you are an extortion and/or kidnapping ready to happen. Real, experienced mongers like to trade info on girls if not for personal use, at least to know and get a general feel of the area.

Now get back to that bar hooker who really loves you...;)

Prokofiev

03-16-07, 17:17

Wow . . . USB,
I was going to let all this die a not-so-quiet death since no amount of words or reasoning is likely to change things. But some of these last posts are SO dead-on in pointing out what people are complaining about - lack of useful info, respect for the opinions of others and . . . ego.

ISG Forum as a source of information . . .
" Fact is, I do not consult the pages of ISG for necessary information. I have other sources of information where most of the posters are more experienced"
" I am surprised that you, an austensibly experienced monger, would even feel the need to gleen specific information about any girl in particular. No experienced monger requires that kind of information"
Carlos- "Information is indeed placed here on a "need to know" basis"

You guys still don't get it. This is NOT a chat room. It is for sharing useful information. That’s what its purpose is and is EXACTLY why I use it. If you don't consult the forum for “necessary info", why are you posting here?

Respect for the ideas and posts of others . . .
" I welcome anyone's reports. But, sometimes the guys doing the reporting, seem to be reporting amateurish conclusions. This is especially obvious to WE that know Monterrey well"
Carlos -" (By the way, reporting on an MP is a total waste of time and virtual space...)"
" Is it worth it to read a few cum drenched, made-up, bull-shit recommendations about specific girls in the massage parlos scene, a scene that changes weekly in Monterrey? Besides, in my so called "limited" experience, recommendations such as those are generally not consistently accurate between one monger and another. So, what good is it anyway?"

OK. You welcome anyone’s reports, and then call it a waste of time, made-up bullshit and amateurish. What recommendation is EVER consistently accurate among mongers? Taste vary.Look, you are welcome to your personal preferences. But why dog someone else’s info, especially if you have no experience yourself? I don’t mind being challenged about something or presenting an argument to the contrary. But blatant disrespectful for the ideas of others – or writing over the top of them and negating what they took the time to post is NOT cool. If there is a factual error, please correct it. But this is a major reason there are so few posts by others.

Ego and talking down to others . . .
"Let me ask you something to you guys that just come down here for quickies and then go back to the confort of your homes.
Do you think the clubs agree to me assiting "dumb gringos"
USB - "Our replies have always been with the member's best interest at heart, along with a desire to guide them to a more rewarding experience. This is especially obvious to we that know Monterrey well"
"We are going to maintain our presence here in the manner we choose to do so. We are the only reliable resource in Monterrey"
"But, I must also point out that not all the posted blather is worthless meaningless drivel, not if the reader is sharp."
"My posts are introspective, philosophical, and contemplative. They have also provided significant volumes of information"

Guys, PLEASE get over yourselves. This is NOT all about YOU. You are the only reliable resource? You will “guide me to a more rewarding experience”? Why do you feel the need to talk down to other experienced members? We are grown men with a tremendous amount of knowledge. Knowledge and information is Power. And that is the beauty of the internet and the ISG forum – current, up to date info. Because things change rapidly and girls move on is EXACTLY why I post what I do and want the experiences of a wide range of other travelers. The shelf-life for some of this info is only 2-3 weeks, maybe several months. Fine.
I know you consider yourself Shakespeare, but PLEASE try to edit your posts. Think before you write. Focus your ideas. Think about a wider target audience. Don’t write in code. And don’t talk down to other experienced contributors. I want to make this a better resource. A more useable forum for all.
Cheers, -P

Member #3453

03-16-07, 21:24

I do not, unless directly disrespected myself, or through sarcasm, ridicule anyone's reports or commentary...Never have I done that, and I defy you to produce an example of it occurring. If I have any personal opinions with respect to the quality of information posted by "SOME" otherwise well meaning members, I have always kept those opinions to myself, perhaps only occassionally offering additional helpful commentary, but always in a cordule and polite manner...EXCEPT WHEN DIRECTLY CHALLENGED WITH DISRESPECT AND SARCASM! :-)

Prok said...

"OK. You welcome anyone’s reports, and then call it a waste of time, made-up bullshit and amateurish. What recommendation is EVER consistently accurate among mongers? Taste vary.Look, you are welcome to your personal preferences. But why dog someone else’s info, especially if you have no experience yourself? I don’t mind being challenged about something or presenting an argument to the contrary. But blatant disrespectful for the ideas of others – or writing over the top of them and negating what they took the time to post is NOT cool. If there is a factual error, please correct it. But this is a major reason there are so few posts by others."

I do defend my right to post what I choose to post, just as I would stand up for your right to post what you choose to post, regardless of my personal opinions about it's validity or content. I am NOT implying that I am critical of your content or the validity of your posts. To this point, I have no quarrel with the content of your posts, I just think you guys are off base in your attempts to sensor us when you have nothing better to offer as any kind of meaningful replacement. Plus, if my posts offend you, then you have a very simple fix at your finger tips, as do all members.

In your case, Prok, if we (I) offend you, then you should eliminate us (me) by adding us (me) to your Ignore list. Again, I exhibit no blatant disrespect for anyone's opionions unless they are first aimed directly at me with disrespect and sarcasm.

Prok said...
" If you don't consult the forum for “necessary info", why are you posting here?"

I rarely consult the forum for information, Carlos never does, and WastedG rarely does...I do solicit opionions from other members relative to certain circumstances that might be occurring to me from time to time. I always enjoy those responses, and find them entertaining, even when most of the time they scold me for a perceived naivete with respect to my interactions with the girls. So what??? I accept those opionions if they are delivered void of sarcasm, and with sincerity.

In addition, I contribute to the forum with a sometimes admitedly overly prolific explanation of experiences that I've encountered in Monterrey. Whether those "reports" are appreciated by some or not, they're still trip reports. It's just that you are not satisfied with the content covered by those reports. I report on an aspect of mongering that is not typical of most postings...I realize that, but it doesn't make my postings any less valid than what is conventionally posted.

Just because I am standing up to your criticisms does not mean that I disrespect your right to post. I don't appreciate the criticism when it's delivered in a sarcastic and hateful manner, but I accept your right to post it. Frankly, I think I'm significantly more accepting of your right to post opinions I disagree with, than you are at accepting my right to post my opinions and commentary, all of which you obviously disagree with.

As a result of your comments, I have decided to adopt your suggestion, and try a little experiment, at least for a couple of weeks. You guys will be comforted in knowing that the numbers of postings will most assuredly go down, if not because of the bad taste left by your rhetoric, perhaps as a result of our wanting to test your theory that nothing is better than something.

Maybe you guys can come up with something to post her in the next few weeks when there is literally nothing posted here whatsoever. I hope that's not the case, but I suspect the Monterrey board is headed in the same direction as was described by Mic J with respect to the NL board. Only time will tell...but, I am willing to give your theory a try.

Wow . . . USB,
I was going to let all this die a not-so-quiet death since no amount of words or reasoning is likely to change things. But some of these last posts are SO dead-on in pointing out what people are complaining about - lack of useful info, respect for the opinions of others and . . . ego.

ISG Forum as a source of information . . .
" Fact is, I do not consult the pages of ISG for necessary information. I have other sources of information where most of the posters are more experienced"
" I am surprised that you, an austensibly experienced monger, would even feel the need to gleen specific information about any girl in particular. No experienced monger requires that kind of information"
Carlos- "Information is indeed placed here on a "need to know" basis"

You guys still don't get it. This is NOT a chat room. It is for sharing useful information. That’s what its purpose is and is EXACTLY why I use it. If you don't consult the forum for “necessary info", why are you posting here?

Respect for the ideas and posts of others . . .
" I welcome anyone's reports. But, sometimes the guys doing the reporting, seem to be reporting amateurish conclusions. This is especially obvious to WE that know Monterrey well"
Carlos -" (By the way, reporting on an MP is a total waste of time and virtual space...)"
" Is it worth it to read a few cum drenched, made-up, bull-shit recommendations about specific girls in the massage parlos scene, a scene that changes weekly in Monterrey? Besides, in my so called "limited" experience, recommendations such as those are generally not consistently accurate between one monger and another. So, what good is it anyway?"

OK. You welcome anyone’s reports, and then call it a waste of time, made-up bullshit and amateurish. What recommendation is EVER consistently accurate among mongers? Taste vary.Look, you are welcome to your personal preferences. But why dog someone else’s info, especially if you have no experience yourself? I don’t mind being challenged about something or presenting an argument to the contrary. But blatant disrespectful for the ideas of others – or writing over the top of them and negating what they took the time to post is NOT cool. If there is a factual error, please correct it. But this is a major reason there are so few posts by others.

Ego and talking down to others . . .
"Let me ask you something to you guys that just come down here for quickies and then go back to the confort of your homes.
Do you think the clubs agree to me assiting "dumb gringos"
USB - "Our replies have always been with the member's best interest at heart, along with a desire to guide them to a more rewarding experience. This is especially obvious to we that know Monterrey well"
"We are going to maintain our presence here in the manner we choose to do so. We are the only reliable resource in Monterrey"
"But, I must also point out that not all the posted blather is worthless meaningless drivel, not if the reader is sharp."
"My posts are introspective, philosophical, and contemplative. They have also provided significant volumes of information"

Guys, PLEASE get over yourselves. This is NOT all about YOU. You are the only reliable resource? You will “guide me to a more rewarding experience”? Why do you feel the need to talk down to other experienced members? We are grown men with a tremendous amount of knowledge. Knowledge and information is Power. And that is the beauty of the internet and the ISG forum – current, up to date info. Because things change rapidly and girls move on is EXACTLY why I post what I do and want the experiences of a wide range of other travelers. The shelf-life for some of this info is only 2-3 weeks, maybe several months. Fine.
I know you consider yourself Shakespeare, but PLEASE try to edit your posts. Think before you write. Focus your ideas. Think about a wider target audience. Don’t write in code. And don’t talk down to other experienced contributors. I want to make this a better resource. A more useable forum for all.
Cheers, -P

El Cabron 007

03-17-07, 00:04

No, USb .... Come back, come back ....

ah the hell with it. Why do we even bother? You can post whatever you want and they can do the same. As a matter of fact, I have been looking forward to reading the ISG board in the last couple of days because it has finally gotten exciting. It's cool that we can carry on a mature (somewhat) conversation or an argument once in a while. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. I am sure your world travel and encountering all these different cultures has taught you that different is not wrong, it's just .... different.

Or am I wrong?

Wasted.

As a result of your comments, I have decided to adopt your suggestion, and try a little experiment, at least for a couple of weeks. You guys will be comforted in knowing that the numbers of postings will most assuredly go down, if not because of the bad taste left by your rhetoric, perhaps as a result of our wanting to test your theory that nothing is better than something.

Maybe you guys can come up with something to post her in the next few weeks when there is literally nothing posted here whatsoever. I hope that's not the case, but I suspect the Monterrey board is headed in the same direction as was described by Mic J with respect to the NL board. Only time will tell...but, I am willing to give your theory a try.

MonterreyDude

03-17-07, 01:19

Mil says: Also for your information, I didn't get angered until you and carlos started talking down to us like we are newbie idiots when we say something for the betterment of the board.

Talking about betterment...
Well, I don't see you posting anything new on your all your trips to Monterrey... nothing at all. I just checked your posts and yes, you are very active in the Morelia section.
But I just don't see any trip reports from our good city of Monterrey.
Have you been here? Am I wrong or what?
If am wrong and you haven´t been here and you just don't plan in coming to Monterrey, why do you care if we post or don't post?
What is your intrest in Monterrey? business... good. Talk to me and I'll point you in the right direction: good honest lawyers, areas for businesses, who are the strongest ones et al.

About being a Newbie... yes Mil you are a newbie compared to me.
And Iam proud and love to boast that I have more experience than anyone around me at the clubs. The girls, (they are surprised to hear me talk about 3somes when they weren't even born) the managers, the owners are surprised to hear my stories of old.
I think you didn't read my post that I have been doing clubs since 1981 and up to the 2007, nonstop. That sums up 25 years going on 26.
Not even pausing for a happily marriage that has lasted 15 years last month.
You... 7 years... please. You wern't even here in back in the 80's when the *****houses ruled, when everything was done bareback even with prostitutes. You wern't a witness in the early 90's to the demiss of the *****houses when they were displaced by the strip clubs of today.
You weren't here when American girls came in the mid 90's to work at the Amnesia club cause there was more mony here than in the USA.
You weren't here when I was part of a town hall meeting and I spoke defending the rights of the girls to their jobs and the clubs.
Yes indeed, you can only dream all of what I have seen...

I know I know.. yes Mil, you are going to counter this with: "I just don't care... it is not in my intrest". Nothing is in you intrest... As a matter of fact, nothing posted in the Monterrey Thread is in your intrest, cause nothing ever posted by anyone triggered a Trip Report from you and that's the bottom line.

I'll strike a bargin with you Mil: Post a Monterrey trip report a good one, not yesterday news nor a simple visit to the MPs and I'll personaly convice everyone to move the conversations to PMs.
BUT USB postings stay, cause maybe you hate them, but there are MANY that like his reports... yes many, and they out weight you totally.

Deal?

No reports are better than the drivel and pap written here sometimes.

And, Uno, for your information I think we pretty much enjoy the same type of mongering with plenty of GFE and what not. As a local in Morelia, I get that service quite often, but I don't feel the need to drone on and on about it. It's just not fair for 99% of the readers out there who can't get that service because they don't live here or don't visit enough to establish relationships. So, then what's the point of commenting on something that you know is atypical and out of the reach of almost everybody? The only reason would be to stroke your own ego. I don't particularly enjoy the massage girls, either, but they are a real economical option for people that don't spend your kind of obsessive time in Mexico.

Also for your information, I didn't get angered until you and carlos started talking down to us like we are newbie idiots when we say something for the betterment of the board. You are the worst type of monger- one who lords his knowledge over others and looks down on the rest. And to be honest, you have to admit that your long drwon-out posts are more about you than trying to educate anybody. Have a nice life.

MonterreyDude

03-17-07, 08:02

To all you guys that know the Infinito MC, today Friday was kind of wild at the floor, more than at the privados as it is use too.
New girls are coming in, a couple that are really new to the scene, like Sol (in future references she'll be S2) that refuses to be groped at the stage and is really really serious girl at the privados.
Although she sticks to the 300 FS price, she seem not to be content at charging this.
Why do I mention her? Cause she is pretty, nice face and body. I hope she adapts well to the Infinito scene.
And yes there are others... dunno the names yet.
J girl (Janice, to those that just joined us, and not part of my Sacred Flock), was angry that I on the spot found out the names and how they conduct themselves in private... told her that I just adore anything with a big ass (as posted way below).
Tomorrow I'll get the names of the 3 or 4 new girls in town.
Meanwhile, at 8:30 PM they had NINE girls dancing at the 2 stages. 5 and 4. At the stage where they had the 5, there are only 4 poles, so 2 girls were fighting to gain control of one.
Total girls at the club at that time: 35 between the afternoon and night shift girls...
Great to see the Infinito up to grade after being so slow in the month of February....

Member #3453

03-17-07, 12:57

So, Carlos...were there any new fat assed girls down there last night, and how is my "G" girl doing?

To all you guys that know the Infinito MC, today Friday was kind of wild at the floor, more than at the privados as it is use too.
New girls are coming in, a couple that are really new to the scene, like Sol (in future references she'll be S2) that refuses to be groped at the stage and is really really serious girl at the privados.
Although she sticks to the 300 FS price, she seem not to be content at charging this.
Why do I mention her? Cause she is pretty, nice face and body. I hope she adapts well to the Infinito scene.
And yes there are others... dunno the names yet.
J girl (Janice, to those that just joined us, and not part of my Sacred Flock), was angry that I on the spot found out the names and how they conduct themselves in private... told her that I just adore anything with a big ass (as posted way below).
Tomorrow I'll get the names of the 3 or 4 new girls in town.
Meanwhile, at 8:30 PM they had NINE girls dancing at the 2 stages. 5 and 4. At the stage where they had the 5, there are only 4 poles, so 2 girls were fighting to gain control of one.
Total girls at the club at that time: 35 between the afternoon and night shift girls...
Great to see the Infinito up to grade after being so slow in the month of February....

Member #3453

03-17-07, 13:26

WastedG,

Are you through with your "P" girl? If I wasn't locked into "G, " she would be my next candidate. But, I "LOVE" "G" so much. She gives me everything I want, at least for a while. I am not really seriously considering a change, but the "P" girl intrigues me. Perhaps she is not interested in me, a pre-requisite to a decent GFE. If there is no spark from her perspective, I have no interest in her. Actually, I have no interest in her if you are still "attached" to her in any way. I am only interested in the event things fissel with "G" and you want to dispense with your "P" girl gracefully, so she will not be angry. But, I only mention it as a future prospectus.

I just ask the question because I thought you mentioned being somewhat bored with her. I am interested in her. I have seen a look in "P's" eyes, the look that Carlos described to me, the look of a caged hungry animal just waiting to strike. "P" has a demeanor that suggests we might get along quite well. I like her seemingly timid personality. Perhaps she is not really a timid kind of girl, but I like them timid and proper. Uh, with the caged hungry animal look in their eyes;.) I like girls who are ravenous in private, and relatively timid and proper in public. "G" is the perfect example.

Anyway, I am also thinking that I need to keep "G" on her toes at this juncture. I sense that she might start to get just a little lazy, not out of lack of interest, but more out of the same old familiarity disease that all females seemingly catch. I don't know, maybe it's me, but I sense that we are becoming like the married couple, that she is relaxing her amorosa behavior toward me because she feels totally "secure. " I love her amorosa behavior. I love her GFE abilities, I love her pursuits of me. I don't want her to be too "relaxed" that she doesn't feel the need to work to achieve my patronage anymore. Things between us have evolved beyond that plateau, and I fear she will slowly start down the path of complacency.

Carlos, please communicate to "G" for me, not letting her know that I am telling you this. She needs to make sure she keeps the fire burning or I will lose interest. Tell her you know me well, and that if she still wants me, and as long as she keeps it up, she will have me hooked for as long as she wants me.

Tell her that I am easily bored when the fire starts to fissle out. That happens in marriage and lengthy boyfriend/girlfriend relationships. The girls develop a relaxed (lazy) familiarity. They do a little less of this, a little less of that, not as much urgency in their pursuits.

Tell her that is when I start to stray. She will hopefully get the hint. Basically, this is what makes P4P so much more satisfying in many respects. The girls have direct motivations to keep the fire burning, if not motivated by their own affections, then the money starts to take over. Not so different than marriage, but certainly easier to get out of and move on, verdad?

Don't misunderstand, "G" is still dutifully there for me whenever I want her, and usually free of charge, except that I always pay her anyway, usually at the last minute, or even unexpectedly the day after, or in the privados with a large number of dances.

She has no expectation of being paid, she is totally giving when we are together. She acts just like my girlfriend. But, I have sensed that she gravitating toward being too much like my girlfriend, just a slight hint of it, nothing really serious. I usually make a donation so the "fissel" doesn't go out of what motivates her, in addition to any "legitimate" attraction she may have. But, she may need the hint to understand her role better. Also she should be told that if she keeps me happy, that I will remain faithful to her. That is not really true with respect to my visiting other clubs, but it's true with respect to visiting the "I" place. I mean "EL-INFINITO" (for all that do not have a program). :.)

For the life of me, I can't understand how these kinds of comments have nothing to do with mongering. Perhaps they are too specific, too cryptic, I don't know. I mean, I have not really referred to "Sports" here, no "Politics" here, no "Religion" here, no "Recipes" here. I have directly referred to getting into the pants of no less than two girls, the club's name, the strategy I am using. You're right guys, I don't get it.

Sportv

03-17-07, 14:59

Finally coming out and writing for the board. For any other newbies to Monterrey or Mexico, the info on the board is very accurate. Trust Carlos, I have met him and he is a good friend and nobody knows the local territory better than Carlos. I have met Wasted thru Carlos, and what a great time hanging out with these 2 pros. Wasted, not sure if you remember but you were with your other friend from work and Carlos & I came to your room at the PDA before going out. You guys will get a kick out of this, the last time I was in town (on short notice, no time to hook up with Carlos), the Infinito girls recognized me as your friends, and they kept coming up to me saying "Hey gringo, where is ___ & ___?" One dark haired girl must have asked for Wasted 5 times before she got the hint that I was not with him that night.

Sponge Bob, your posts are legendary! Never watched soap operas on TV but yours are truly great posts, on the long turbulent ordeals with Angry Girl and others. I think I have had a dance with her, Carlos told me her name once but I do not remember. Your tips have helped me out tremendously. On one of these trips I hope we can meet.

With the help of these guys, my last trip had a salida from Infinito, which turned into an overnighter without any extra costs.

Nothing new to report, just saying thanks to the other guys. I am coming back to town this week, and I have to say I am a little concerned about the increase in police shakedowns, but it appears nothing major to worry about?

Member #3453

03-17-07, 18:02

Oh, crap...SportV, I will miss you by perhaps one week. I arrive on 3/25 at night, and I will be in town the entire week, 3/25-3/30. Just wanted to thank you for the vote of confidence, and your testimonial...Appreciate it very much, and especially in light of the recent discussions.

I hope to hang-out with you sometime when our schedules coordinate.

Your post brings to mind the gyst of what I believe the forum is all about... We have a family we're establishing in MTY,a family of occassional vistors that know us, regular visitors, guys who may only be able to come to Monterrey on a very infrequent basis, and complete newbies to the scene. I have many friends that I regulary see in Monterrey as a result of this board, as well as other boards.

I'm afraid that my philosophy differs wildly with what's been articulated here by my detractors. I see things differently with respect to our "purpose."

The way I see it, the purpose is to provide information, sure...but to also establish a brotherhood of visitors, guys who, in the absence of malicious comments, are friends, and can help one another out. That is why I post here, and that is why I enjoy the forum.

Hope we can meet soon...thanks again.

Finally coming out and writing for the board. For any other newbies to Monterrey or Mexico, the info on the board is very accurate. Trust Carlos, I have met him and he is a good friend and nobody knows the local territory better than Carlos. I have met Wasted thru Carlos, and what a great time hanging out with these 2 pros. Wasted, not sure if you remember but you were with your other friend from work and Carlos & I came to your room at the PDA before going out. You guys will get a kick out of this, the last time I was in town (on short notice, no time to hook up with Carlos), the Infinito girls recognized me as your friends, and they kept coming up to me saying "Hey gringo, where is ___ & ___?" One dark haired girl must have asked for Wasted 5 times before she got the hint that I was not with him that night.

Sponge Bob, your posts are legendary! Never watched soap operas on TV but yours are truly great posts, on the long turbulent ordeals with Angry Girl and others. I think I have had a dance with her, Carlos told me her name once but I do not remember. Your tips have helped me out tremendously. On one of these trips I hope we can meet.

With the help of these guys, my last trip had a salida from Infinito, which turned into an overnighter without any extra costs.

Nothing new to report, just saying thanks to the other guys. I am coming back to town this week, and I have to say I am a little concerned about the increase in police shakedowns, but it appears nothing major to worry about?

MonterreyDude

03-17-07, 18:54

G girl was there working yesterday.
I will contact her for you today in the afternoon....

By the way USB, you gotta be kidding me. You like skinny asses....

So, Carlos...were there any new fat assed girls down there last night, and how is my "G" girl doing?

MonterreyDude

03-17-07, 18:59

Sport says: "Hey gringo, where is ___ & ___?" One dark haired girl must have asked for Wasted 5 times before she got the hint that I was not with him that night.

Please do not even mention this.... people will start posting that it is impossible to treat hookers with respect and get in exchange a solid friendship based on pure unadulterated dirty sex... and have exclusivity with them.
Some do not get it....

Sport, welcome back.

Finally coming out and writing for the board. For any other newbies to Monterrey or Mexico, the info on the board is very accurate. Trust Carlos, I have met him and he is a good friend and nobody knows the local territory better than Carlos. I have met Wasted thru Carlos, and what a great time hanging out with these 2 pros. Wasted, not sure if you remember but you were with your other friend from work and Carlos & I came to your room at the PDA before going out. You guys will get a kick out of this, the last time I was in town (on short notice, no time to hook up with Carlos), the Infinito girls recognized me as your friends, and they kept coming up to me saying "Hey gringo, where is ___ & ___?" One dark haired girl must have asked for Wasted 5 times before she got the hint that I was not with him that night.

Sponge Bob, your posts are legendary! Never watched soap operas on TV but yours are truly great posts, on the long turbulent ordeals with Angry Girl and others. I think I have had a dance with her, Carlos told me her name once but I do not remember. Your tips have helped me out tremendously. On one of these trips I hope we can meet.

With the help of these guys, my last trip had a salida from Infinito, which turned into an overnighter without any extra costs.

Nothing new to report, just saying thanks to the other guys. I am coming back to town this week, and I have to say I am a little concerned about the increase in police shakedowns, but it appears nothing major to worry about?

MonterreyDude

03-17-07, 19:02

Yes, there have been some police shakedowns, but remember that if you have nothing to hide or hiding something that is not legal, you have nothing to worry about.
Wasted and I think USB have been at the clubs during some of the police checks and there is nothing to it... they just frisk you and that's it.
Just carry your regular ID just in case.

Finally coming out and writing for the board. For any other newbies to Monterrey or Mexico, the info on the board is very accurate. Trust Carlos, I have met him and he is a good friend and nobody knows the local territory better than Carlos. I have met Wasted thru Carlos, and what a great time hanging out with these 2 pros. Wasted, not sure if you remember but you were with your other friend from work and Carlos & I came to your room at the PDA before going out. You guys will get a kick out of this, the last time I was in town (on short notice, no time to hook up with Carlos), the Infinito girls recognized me as your friends, and they kept coming up to me saying "Hey gringo, where is ___ & ___?" One dark haired girl must have asked for Wasted 5 times before she got the hint that I was not with him that night.

Sponge Bob, your posts are legendary! Never watched soap operas on TV but yours are truly great posts, on the long turbulent ordeals with Angry Girl and others. I think I have had a dance with her, Carlos told me her name once but I do not remember. Your tips have helped me out tremendously. On one of these trips I hope we can meet.

With the help of these guys, my last trip had a salida from Infinito, which turned into an overnighter without any extra costs.

Nothing new to report, just saying thanks to the other guys. I am coming back to town this week, and I have to say I am a little concerned about the increase in police shakedowns, but it appears nothing major to worry about?

El Cabron 007

03-18-07, 00:16

What the heck? I am out for one night and the board is on fire? ... Nice .. I like.

Carlos, them new girls, MINE. You know I love newbies. They are so cute when they are shy ... it's like having a rare filet. You know I am the man for breaking them in. Anything worth considering? And the 'I saw her first' claim, buy the way, is no longer valid.

USb, you need an Intervention like you need a hole in your head. Whatever possessed you to ask me about "P"? I have 3 comments for you:
1- NO.
2- Just because you asked such a question, I will consider it an open season. I already attacked my neighbor’s sacred flock. Now yours is fair game.
3- But seriously, I will never claim ownership of any of the girls. I say 'my' because I choose them and not the other way around. Such a claim will never be valid for a stripper. Just Mill commented about how it is like visiting our friend Carlos in MTY but he will not give you grief if you hang out with your friends when you go back to the US.

You kids are making me conscious of my reports being too long and uninformative .... sh$t. Oh what the heck ...

Anyways, if you must ask me, then my answer would be big 'NO". I will not 'LET' you have any of my girls, especially "P". BUT. I cannot stop you and I will not, AT ALL, be offended. Feast on it and eat all you can eat. But beware; she WILL own your heart. (I just used this phrase somewhere else). And you can never break her in because she does not open. You want to talk about the "caged hungry animal look in their eyes" ... oh man. You have no idea. If you could only see her in bed ... hot damn ... OK . No more. Oh she is so sweet.

Yes, she is very special to me. I no longer have sexual desires for her. I only care about her and love to see her smile. She once said to me "Tengo Sueño, Wasted" when she was in my room. I tucked her in and slept in the other bed. This was about a year ago. It still rings in my ear every time I think about her. So back off buddy.

Carlos, yes, she has a skinny ass. Not good for you. I had her in my bed once and Mr. "L" had "S". Then he goes "Your girl has a fine ass". So I pick her up, put her in his bed and take "S" back to my bed. That was when we had them for 6 or 7 hours once. I was seeing doubles and the building across the street was dancing by itself. Then we had 30 minute to sleep and head to the airport. I fell asleep in the airport only to wake up to the dude shaking my shoulder "Are you on the Atlanta flight?" I wished I missed the flight that day. I did not want to leave.

Sportv, Hey man. Yes I remember you. I loved the look on your face when we met. .... no comments ... But hey, how have you been? It's good to hear from you. The dark haired girl? What the heck? They all have dark hair. But I think I know who you're talking about.... pause ..... NOOT. If you see her again, tell her I love her :-) Hope to see you again.

Yes, I witnessed a shakedown once. I posted about it. A ton load of them stormed in. But what really caught my attention was seeing the girls get up on stage for the 10:30 pm lineup and, after 2 minutes, they all started rushing down the stage and up to their lockers just a few seconds before the police, or federales?, entered. They were very impressive and will scare the heck out of you. Even if you do not have anything to hide. Then all the lights were turned on. Did someone once mention that el infinito was a broom factory? I was watching the event as if it was a movie. Such an experience is priceless as far as I'm concerned.

Oh yeah, I did a little experiment the other day. I put Carlos and USB on my ignore list. (No, you're not still on it). Funny. Try it out.

Wasted.

El Cabron 007

03-18-07, 02:31

In the US and out of the blue, I meet a 20 something y/o Spanish girl, from Spain, who started hitting on me and before I knew it, she was on her way to my hotel last night. The advice was to rest up because it is going to be a hell of a night. Yeah right, I’ve been to MTY, baby. I know everything.

Looks? HOT. Personality? Puts all MTY trouble girls to shame. This girl was a tiger on the loose. My kind a of woman. My reward is in taming them and making them submit to my demands.

We hit the downtown clubs. 1st we go to one whole-in-the-wall club but hot damm little mamma. I felt like I belonged. It was like a special circle of underground pool of, who knows what, well, I knew, but they were welcoming. Felt right at home. My newly found girlfriend danced and moved for me while I kicked back and sipped on my drink trying to absorb every tiny detail of the experience. The sound, the bar, the DJ on the side, the plasma screen with a naked lady dancing. Was it live? The other girls and the dudes there. Dudes I would not want to get on their wrong side. Nevertheless, they all were cool. Really cool. Happy to be on their good side.

Next thing I knew, but did not know how, I was in the bathroom with my girl, the wholesaler dude and his girl (former stripper, HOT). He started to do his girl in the ass and I took a seat to watch. Yes, they had a nice chair inside the toilet. Yukkkkk. What the hell did I set on? My girl wanted to suck me but I ... well... wanted to but chose … NAAT.

To make the long story short, we were out until 10 am and I saw and did things I thought only existed in the movies. I was on the inside. Those things exist in real life too.

Why am I posting this? The entire time I was thinking MTY. And my mind was thinking "hey, you made ‘good’ friends tonight with the right associations. Got their numbers and maybe next time you want to have wild crazy fun, why not come back here instead of MTY? They accepted me, cheaper, less flying time and man, does it beat MTY or what?" I was, how do you say, backstage?

So we’ll see. I have been keeping my urge and itch for MTY in check. However, if the itch creeps up on me again, and if I stop thinking with my head on my shoulders and start thinking with the other head, maybe I’ll fly back here …… y por que no?

Wasted

MonterreyDude

03-18-07, 08:03

That is what in Spanish we call, "garbanzo de a libra"... one in a million.
I think what you did, will not happen to you again in the USA if you try looking for it.

In the US and out of the blue, I meet a 20 something y/o Spanish girl, from Spain, who started hitting on me and before I knew it, she was on her way to my hotel last night. The advice was to rest up because it is going to be a hell of a night. Yeah right, I’ve been to MTY, baby. I know everything.

Looks? HOT. Personality? Puts all MTY trouble girls to shame. This girl was a tiger on the loose. My kind a of woman. My reward is in taming them and making them submit to my demands.

We hit the downtown clubs. 1st we go to one whole-in-the-wall club but hot damm little mamma. I felt like I belonged. It was like a special circle of underground pool of, who knows what, well, I knew, but they were welcoming. Felt right at home. My newly found girlfriend danced and moved for me while I kicked back and sipped on my drink trying to absorb every tiny detail of the experience. The sound, the bar, the DJ on the side, the plasma screen with a naked lady dancing. Was it live? The other girls and the dudes there. Dudes I would not want to get on their wrong side. Nevertheless, they all were cool. Really cool. Happy to be on their good side.

Next thing I knew, but did not know how, I was in the bathroom with my girl, the wholesaler dude and his girl (former stripper, HOT). He started to do his girl in the ass and I took a seat to watch. Yes, they had a nice chair inside the toilet. Yukkkkk. What the hell did I set on? My girl wanted to suck me but I ... well... wanted to but chose … NAAT.

To make the long story short, we were out until 10 am and I saw and did things I thought only existed in the movies. I was on the inside. Those things exist in real life too.

Why am I posting this? The entire time I was thinking MTY. And my mind was thinking "hey, you made ‘good’ friends tonight with the right associations. Got their numbers and maybe next time you want to have wild crazy fun, why not come back here instead of MTY? They accepted me, cheaper, less flying time and man, does it beat MTY or what?" I was, how do you say, backstage?

So we’ll see. I have been keeping my urge and itch for MTY in check. However, if the itch creeps up on me again, and if I stop thinking with my head on my shoulders and start thinking with the other head, maybe I’ll fly back here …… y por que no?

Wasted

Member #3453

03-18-07, 11:35

WastedG,

I have no particular huge strong desire for "P," necessarily. I just find her cute, and I like her demeanor. She has the look I like, but more importantly, I saw in her a sweetness that is sometimes lacking in some girls. She would have been a candidate had you not already scarfed her up. But, I totally respect your feelings for her. Remember, I am MR. SENSITIVE, except with respect to the crass and rude, MillJustitos, Angry Girl...not too many really.

I will simply acknowledge your "P" girl, as one to be admired from afar, a cookie here, a cookie there, some jellybeans occassionally, maybe a chocolate or two :-) You can do the same for me with my girls, and I for Carlos' girls as well. It really works well this way.

Actually, this "my girl, your girl" strategy has a logistical advantage in that we all can't have them at once anyway, right? I mean, many times we are all together at the same time. Unless of course you want a DP kind of thing. Whatever turns you on, verdad?

Well, I guess if we wanted to have an orgy or something. That might be kind of cool, but I would be embarrassed having you guys see my bare fat ass. I am not embarrassed when the girls see my bare fat ass, so I can't really understand why I have this internalized aversion to you guys seeing my bare fat ass, but I do. And, then of coure, there is the specter of you seeing my "monstercock," but, we will save that discussion for another time :-)

WastedG,

Regarding your "X" girl. I had a bunch of jellybeans, the Starburst Brand (Important). They are quite delicious by the way. Anyway, I had placed them in some little Easter Eggs to pass out to all the girls throughout the week. I had some shiny, multicolored eggs, the kind that open, and even some that actually had a "Spongebob" cartoon character on the side. I thought those were quite appropriate, and nifty :-) Anyway, I painstakingly filled each of them, probably about 20 Easter Eggs, with the Starburst Jelly Beans.

Anyway, I had several on me when I was in Infinito. So, I just gave one Easter Egg to your "X" girl, and she absolutely loved them. Do you know that she came back to me, several times that first night, and I gave her refills. Then, several other nights she approached me begging for more. She really couldn't get enough of them. She hounded me, chased me down all over Infinito a couple of times. It was fun.

One time, she called me over to her table where she was sitting with a client. She asked me for a cookie from the bin. I pulled out one, gave it to her, gave one to her client. Her client produced a 20 peso bill and offered it to me. He thought I was on of the regular floor vendors, a commond stuffed animal vendor, and flower vendor, and peanut vendor. I just waived him off and laughed. Your "X" girl waived her finger in front of him back and forth. It was hilarious!

Of course, I supplied her the sugar high she so desperately needed each time she asked for it. I fear that I am just another, in probably a long line of "pushers," pushers of another variety, that she regularly deals with, all be my brand of "narcotic" relatively tame, verdad?

I fear that I will have to not only start bringing so many cookies to Monterrey, but now I have to bring jelly beans, chocolates...they expect it. I have already been to Walmart and done my buying from my trip in a few days. But, I have found that particularly right now, because Easter is coming up, they have a lot of conveniently packaged candies in the store. Much of the candy in packaged in small, convenient to carry, and convenient to distribute, evelopes. So, I have changed over from the Easter Egg Idea to the small envelope idea. It's just a lot more convenient to carry than to be juggling a pocket full of Easter Eggs. You should've seen the door man's reaction when he frisked me as I entered Infinito. He felt the eggs in my pockets, looked me in the eye, grinned, and waived me through. Of course, I take good care of all of them regularly with a cookie or two, so I get away with murder. I also take great care of the Managers of the clubs, who seek me out for a cookie or more, usually every night I am there.

I am always kind of surprised when I bring some kind of confection, cookies, etc... to Monterrey. These girls act like they can not find good sweets anywhere in Monterrey, and that I am somehow a "magician," bringing them rare glimpses of an alternate universe, an exostic land, another culture or something, exotic, delectable things that they have never experience before. It must be how it was when the white man brought beads, liquor, MIRRORS, and other stuff from the new world. It makes you a frickin' superstar. Believe me, it serves to get one noticed. It's the damnest thing, and loads of fun.

What the heck? I am out for one night and the board is on fire? ... Nice .. I like.

Carlos, them new girls, MINE. You know I love newbies. They are so cute when they are shy ... it's like having a rare filet. You know I am the man for breaking them in. Anything worth considering? And the 'I saw her first' claim, buy the way, is no longer valid.

USb, you need an Intervention like you need a hole in your head. Whatever possessed you to ask me about "P"? I have 3 comments for you:
1- NO.
2- Just because you asked such a question, I will consider it an open season. I already attacked my neighbor’s sacred flock. Now yours is fair game.
3- But seriously, I will never claim ownership of any of the girls. I say 'my' because I choose them and not the other way around. Such a claim will never be valid for a stripper. Just Mill commented about how it is like visiting our friend Carlos in MTY but he will not give you grief if you hang out with your friends when you go back to the US.

You kids are making me conscious of my reports being too long and uninformative .... sh$t. Oh what the heck ...

Anyways, if you must ask me, then my answer would be big 'NO". I will not 'LET' you have any of my girls, especially "P". BUT. I cannot stop you and I will not, AT ALL, be offended. Feast on it and eat all you can eat. But beware; she WILL own your heart. (I just used this phrase somewhere else). And you can never break her in because she does not open. You want to talk about the "caged hungry animal look in their eyes" ... oh man. You have no idea. If you could only see her in bed ... hot damn ... OK . No more. Oh she is so sweet.

Yes, she is very special to me. I no longer have sexual desires for her. I only care about her and love to see her smile. She once said to me "Tengo Sueño, Wasted" when she was in my room. I tucked her in and slept in the other bed. This was about a year ago. It still rings in my ear every time I think about her. So back off buddy.

Carlos, yes, she has a skinny ass. Not good for you. I had her in my bed once and Mr. "L" had "S". Then he goes "Your girl has a fine ass". So I pick her up, put her in his bed and take "S" back to my bed. That was when we had them for 6 or 7 hours once. I was seeing doubles and the building across the street was dancing by itself. Then we had 30 minute to sleep and head to the airport. I fell asleep in the airport only to wake up to the dude shaking my shoulder "Are you on the Atlanta flight?" I wished I missed the flight that day. I did not want to leave.

Sportv, Hey man. Yes I remember you. I loved the look on your face when we met. .... no comments ... But hey, how have you been? It's good to hear from you. The dark haired girl? What the heck? They all have dark hair. But I think I know who you're talking about.... pause ..... NOOT. If you see her again, tell her I love her :-) Hope to see you again.

Yes, I witnessed a shakedown once. I posted about it. A ton load of them stormed in. But what really caught my attention was seeing the girls get up on stage for the 10:30 pm lineup and, after 2 minutes, they all started rushing down the stage and up to their lockers just a few seconds before the police, or federales?, entered. They were very impressive and will scare the heck out of you. Even if you do not have anything to hide. Then all the lights were turned on. Did someone once mention that el infinito was a broom factory? I was watching the event as if it was a movie. Such an experience is priceless as far as I'm concerned.

Oh yeah, I did a little experiment the other day. I put Carlos and USB on my ignore list. (No, you're not still on it). Funny. Try it out.

Wasted.

Member #3453

03-18-07, 12:20

Carlos,

I wonder if the shakedowns have actually subsided now. When I was in Monterrey the last week of February, I was in the clubs and saw no evidence that they were still being carried out. I was never in a club where a raid took place the entire week.

You know, when the shake downs are going on, even if you're only walking between the clubs, you will usually see a higher manpower "police presence" on the streets. I am especially in tune with that kind of thing.

I didn't really notice any evidence of any kind of manpower increases, no police vans, not many additional patrol units around. I only saw one or two patrol cars that entire week I was there.

Hopefully, they have moved on to greener pastures. But, if not, no big deal. As long as you have nothing to worry about, no contraban on your person, and you possess the proper immigration documents, they are perfectly cordual and professional when they make contact in a raid.

Actually, they did not even ask me for immigration documents when they questioned me. My strategy is always to act as though I am a dumb gringo, "Uhhh, Nooo ABBBALOW ESPANIALO." So, when I respond to them, my strategy is to provide as little evidence that I can communicate with tham as possible. So, even when they know I am a gringo from the US, and they could have asked for immigration papers, they didn't care about it.

Plus, frankly, I was impressed. I had some money in my pockets, etc...and I would have expected to possibly be extorted. But, their procedures are strictly by the book, even in comparison to US law. I think perhaps the Federal Police have some pretty rigorous proedures, and based on my observations of their tactics, perhaps even some pretty stauch supevisory procedures with respect to shake downs being acceptable within their ranks when conducting a raid in a public place such as the clubs.

Yes, there have been some police shakedowns, but remember that if you have nothing to hide or hiding something that is not legal, you have nothing to worry about.
Wasted and I think USB have been at the clubs during some of the police checks and there is nothing to it... they just frisk you and that's it.
Just carry your regular ID just in case.

El Cabron 007

03-18-07, 17:03

One in a million. That's right and that's just it. You cannot find this if you spent a lifetime looking for it unless you are in the right circle of friends. And I just stumbled into this. It found me and it has been there all along. I just never found my way in.

You know that I look for more than just the dance clubs in MTY. The highlight of my trips is the after-hours that you are always warning me about and for the right reasons, yes. The danger, the excitement and the fun of the expereince that I will not find at the Infinito or Prestige, I find when those girls come out to play. The freaks come out at night? I would have never entered the 'Taboo' or 'ArcoIris' if it were not for the company of Karen, Devany, Tanya, Sasha, Ganeth, ... to name a few. I don't belong in these places unless I was in the company of those girls. 1st time I went to ArcoIris, I was with 12 of them. One poor dude entered our circle by error and froze in shock and awe. A dozen knock-out girls dressed to kill. And all were with me. Ages from 18 to 24. All with me. Do you think I had as much fun as I would at Infinito? In this case, Infinito was the appetizer. You remember calling me at noon only to find out that I have net slept since last night and still with the girls in my room. You remember me having breakfast at the hotel restaurant the next day with 5 or 6 of the girls who stayed over. You remember the need to delay other girls’ arrival in need of time to get rid of the overnighters.

My last trip to Prestige, Monica asked who I was with at Taboo a few weeks back. She saw me and Mr. “L” with 5 girls. I slapped her for not coming over to say hello. She said she was afraid that my ‘girlfriends’ might get angry if she talked to me. She was terrified. When 2 of them got on stage and danced for me, one guy wanted to touch them, I told him to back off, they are my daughters. he goes, 'Que ninas' .. lol

But I found it here in the US this weekend. These people are locals and are here to stay. I hit the jackpot. I don't need to look for it anymore. I am in.

More to come ....

Wasted

That is what in Spanish we call, "garbanzo de a libra"... one in a million.
I think what you did, will not happen to you again in the USA if you try looking for it.

MonterreyDude

03-18-07, 20:51

Shakedowns are still going on but in less quantity.
They had a bad night one Friday and that made them look ridicilous: they only got a couple of guys (one American) with almost no drugs ntheir possesion and like 2 club girls.
And that was the sum of 4 of the 5 star big clubs.
No weapons, no hugh stash of drugs, no criminals, no nothing.
That was the last time they visited them in force.

Carlos,

I wonder if the shakedowns have actually subsided now. When I was in Monterrey the last week of February, I was in the clubs and saw no evidence that they were still being carried out. I was never in a club where a raid took place the entire week.

You know, when the shake downs are going on, even if you're only walking between the clubs, you will usually see a higher manpower "police presence" on the streets. I am especially in tune with that kind of thing.

I didn't really notice any evidence of any kind of manpower increases, no police vans, not many additional patrol units around. I only saw one or two patrol cars that entire week I was there.

Hopefully, they have moved on to greener pastures. But, if not, no big deal. As long as you have nothing to worry about, no contraban on your person, and you possess the proper immigration documents, they are perfectly cordual and professional when they make contact in a raid.

Actually, they did not even ask me for immigration documents when they questioned me. My strategy is always to act as though I am a dumb gringo, "Uhhh, Nooo ABBBALOW ESPANIALO." So, when I respond to them, my strategy is to provide as little evidence that I can communicate with tham as possible. So, even when they know I am a gringo from the US, and they could have asked for immigration papers, they didn't care about it.

Plus, frankly, I was impressed. I had some money in my pockets, etc...and I would have expected to possibly be extorted. But, their procedures are strictly by the book, even in comparison to US law. I think perhaps the Federal Police have some pretty rigorous proedures, and based on my observations of their tactics, perhaps even some pretty stauch supevisory procedures with respect to shake downs being acceptable within their ranks when conducting a raid in a public place such as the clubs.

Here is your "ON-POINT" post for the week MillJustitos...Oh, yeah, I am on your Ignore List....To bad, you missed it.

MonterreyDude

03-18-07, 20:59

No you haven't hit the jackpot... you found fools gold.
Be very careful with that... you were invited.
Make sure to have that clear in your mind.
And I still insist that you are flirting with danger going to the Taboo and Arcoiris.
You just can't go and confront regular locals.. yes REGULAR locals not club goers.
Locals that are customers to these places tend to feel as if they are superior to the rest of the population.
You won't get it till you confront someone that'll tell you that you been an outsider are not entitled to have with you 4,5 girls.
Remember that we are machos and extremely possesive. Plus extremely closed circles of people you might have already noticed... agressivley closed to others, but tend to absorb what they want.

One in a million. That's right and that's just it. You cannot find this if you spent a lifetime looking for it unless you are in the right circle of friends. And I just stumbled into this. It found me and it has been there all along. I just never found my way in.

You know that I look for more than just the dance clubs in MTY. The highlight of my trips is the after-hours that you are always warning me about and for the right reasons, yes. The danger, the excitement and the fun of the expereince that I will not find at the Infinito or Prestige, I find when those girls come out to play. The freaks come out at night? I would have never entered the 'Taboo' or 'ArcoIris' if it were not for the company of Karen, Devany, Tanya, Sasha, Ganeth, ... to name a few. I don't belong in these places unless I was in the company of those girls. 1st time I went to ArcoIris, I was with 12 of them. One poor dude entered our circle by error and froze in shock and awe. A dozen knock-out girls dressed to kill. And all were with me. Ages from 18 to 24. All with me. Do you think I had as much fun as I would at Infinito? In this case, Infinito was the appetizer. You remember calling me at noon only to find out that I have net slept since last night and still with the girls in my room. You remember me having breakfast at the hotel restaurant the next day with 5 or 6 of the girls who stayed over. You remember the need to delay other girls’ arrival in need of time to get rid of the overnighters.

My last trip to Prestige, Monica asked who I was with at Taboo a few weeks back. She saw me and Mr. “L” with 5 girls. I slapped her for not coming over to say hello. She said she was afraid that my ‘girlfriends’ might get angry if she talked to me. She was terrified. When 2 of them got on stage and danced for me, one guy wanted to touch them, I told him to back off, they are my daughters. he goes, 'Que ninas' .. lol

But I found it here in the US this weekend. These people are locals and are here to stay. I hit the jackpot. I don't need to look for it anymore. I am in.

More to come ....

Wasted

Member #3453

03-18-07, 22:20

WastedG,

Your find sounds titilating, and it's certainly, at least on the surface, possibly a viable alternative distraction for you compared to MTY. But...

Carlos makes a good observation. "Invitations" can be made with "malice a forethought," with other intentions in mind. Only you can make the determination, and only after possibly scoping it out over an extended time, and by being simulaneously cautious in the process of determining that all is safe.

I remember one time, many years ago, being invited back to a chicas apartment, actually two chicas. I recall thinking at the time that I was going to hit the double jackpot. I hit the jackpot in one sense. The one that I preferred, the one that stayed with me, provided the session I was looking for. The other one took my keys, opened my car, and cleaned out the loose change in the center console of my car.

Of course, it could have been much worse, only a little petty larceny involved here. But, there can be much more at stake. I was much, much, younger then, and foolish. But, it illustrates what can happen.

I don't really know what their game might be, assuming there is even a game to consider, but just be careful my friend. Who knows, maybe they are perfectly innocent, and you found a great alternate venue for titilating entertainment.

You know, in making that observation, it just occurred to me why MTY is sooooo important. In three words, IT is SAFE.

Mongering in the US, is generally unsafe unless the activity is part of a massage parlor establishment or something similiar, and then there is the threat of a sting, and subsequent arrests. The risk of arrest always looms large in the back of my mind. I never partake in anything in the US, never. And, who knows, perhaps there is no game being run, but it could just as easily be a matter of law enforcement setting everybody up.

MTY, on the other hand, is safe. You are relatively safe from interventions by unwelcome opportunists that might try to extort money from you through blackmail as a result of your activities, and you are also safe from legal hassles that might otherwise arise out of P4P in the US.

I like the buffer created between the US and Mexico. I fear the buffer is slowly eroding, but for now, that buffer is my security blanket.

No, Monterrey is truly one of the seemingly safest large cities I have ever been in, certainly much safer than any US city of equal size. I could never walk around in a downtown district such as Monterrey, unchallenged, within any US city, like we do, sometimes up to 3-4am in the morining. And, the fear of arrest is almost nonexistent, even with Federalis raiding the clubs on occassion.

No you haven't hit the jackpot... you found fools gold.
Be very careful with that... you were invited.
Make sure to have that clear in your mind.
And I still insist that you are flirting with danger going to the Taboo and Arcoiris.
You just can't go and confront regular locals.. yes REGULAR locals not club goers.
Locals that are customers to these places tend to feel as if they are superior to the rest of the population.
You won't get it till you confront someone that'll tell you that you been an outsider are not entitled to have with you 4,5 girls.
Remember that we are machos and extremely possesive. Plus extremely closed circles of people you might have already noticed... agressivley closed to others, but tend to absorb what they want.

El Cabron 007

03-18-07, 23:17

On the US side, yes, I was invited and I was very careful paying attention to everything while enjoying all at the same time. At no point did I leave my self open to any possibilities whatsoever. Although I was in the company of pros, I made sure, just in case, I could always bail. Trust me, I know.

On the MTY side, I always made friends with the locals as well. You know how social I am. On the other hand, I still make it clear that those girls are with me and they are not to be messed around with. I am as possessive as any other man, if not more. There was one time that one of the girls was talking to a male dancer, a big muscle man. I stepped in and he apologized and started to walk away. Keep in mind that the girl, X, is the one who start the conversation. But then I pulled him back and gave him permission to talk. Then laughed it off saying I was just joking.

Maybe not being a blond-haired blue-eyed white man helps a little. Many assume I am a local as well. In all the times I've been to those places, I have not seen anything threatening. I felt extremely comfortable and totally enjoyed myself.

Still, I always keep my eyes open … Until I get Wasted.

Wasted

No you haven't hit the jackpot... you found fools gold.
Be very careful with that... you were invited.

And I still insist that you are flirting with danger going to the Taboo and Arcoiris.

El Cabron 007

03-18-07, 23:36

Can you have my "P" girl? NO.

Uhhh, does that mean your done with your "P" girl. :-)

MonterreyDude

03-19-07, 06:32

But you are still American.
That's the bad part...
You have to see the point that X has you on the edge of BIG trouble.
Never take that likely... WOW! "just a joke"... yeah right, imagine telling you that after getting mauled.

"I stepped in and he apologized and started to walk away."

He walked away... others WILL NOT WALK AWAY and you seem not to understand that. They wil consider on the spot "if the girl is talking to mem that means she wanst nothing with the old dude"... that's the problem, the age difference will make younger guys toughen up and confront you.
No Wasted... you are flirting with BIG trouble and you are trying to win against the odds and that is impossible.

On the US side, yes, I was invited and I was very careful paying attention to everything while enjoying all at the same time. At no point did I leave my self open to any possibilities whatsoever. Although I was in the company of pros, I made sure, just in case, I could always bail. Trust me, I know.

On the MTY side, I always made friends with the locals as well. You know how social I am. On the other hand, I still make it clear that those girls are with me and they are not to be messed around with. I am as possessive as any other man, if not more. There was one time that one of the girls was talking to a male dancer, a big muscle man. I stepped in and he apologized and started to walk away. Keep in mind that the girl, X, is the one who start the conversation. But then I pulled him back and gave him permission to talk. Then laughed it off saying I was just joking.

Maybe not being a blond-haired blue-eyed white man helps a little. Many assume I am a local as well. In all the times I've been to those places, I have not seen anything threatening. I felt extremely comfortable and totally enjoyed myself.

Still, I always keep my eyes open … Until I get Wasted.

Wasted

Member #3453

03-19-07, 12:42

Good, that means you're coming back to Monterrey, and your recent "One in a Million" find is merely a temporary distraction.

Can you have my "P" girl? NO.

El Cabron 007

03-19-07, 18:59

hey checa wey no son de monterrey , son de santa ,
los que te espantan y te truenan la garganta a ustedes les pintan
dedos y con nosotros saltan, aqui estamos una vez mas de la calle pa
la calle fabricando rap el tirano dha con su clica digan loque digan
maricones casa babilonia rifa liricas insumisas como siempre este
demente se atiza diariamente y que, tienes **** pues vente nomas a
las consecuensias debes de atenerte y si no hay **** pues la fiesta
sigo pequeño padrino con ojos de chino rebotando sobre el beat
con estilo, sige asiendo ruido.

hey checa wey mira bien que somos de santa.
hey papi ven comeme eso a mi me encanta, ando buscando por hay un papi que me
haga sudar tan criminal un poco letal y es en babilonia donde todo esta vamos papi paga ya sino conpletas pues ya no hay fiesta haber quien sigue hagan sus apuestas que (m)(e)(r)(y) (d)(ee) esta lista mas que puesta como la jackson mery tambien te las muestra.

mira guacha el de la mirada gacha se me champa tras las chachas
y me las chingo con tachas es el que te apapacha y pellizca
las nachas muchacha traigo buena racha poncho churros con bachas
y con mi mala facha si tela tiro la cachas que si se cae al suelo la
pisan se hace cuacha te invito a agarra mi vuelo empezamos en la cama y acabamos
en el suelo me esmero por ser bueno trinitrotolueno con forro de condon
no me pidas mas que no traje el corazon lo deje en la casa babilon como no.

cartel de santa

wasted

MonterreyDude

03-19-07, 21:26

and the question is.... what is the song that will leave everyone with question mark on their face, saying "what the hell is that".

hey checa wey no son de monterrey , son de santa ,
los que te espantan y te truenan la garganta a ustedes les pintan
dedos y con nosotros saltan, aqui estamos una vez mas de la calle pa
la calle fabricando rap el tirano dha con su clica digan loque digan
maricones casa babilonia rifa liricas insumisas como siempre este
demente se atiza diariamente y que, tienes **** pues vente nomas a
las consecuensias debes de atenerte y si no hay **** pues la fiesta
sigo pequeño padrino con ojos de chino rebotando sobre el beat
con estilo, sige asiendo ruido.

hey checa wey mira bien que somos de santa.
hey papi ven comeme eso a mi me encanta, ando buscando por hay un papi que me
haga sudar tan criminal un poco letal y es en babilonia donde todo esta vamos papi paga ya sino conpletas pues ya no hay fiesta haber quien sigue hagan sus apuestas que (m)(e)(r)(y) (d)(ee) esta lista mas que puesta como la jackson mery tambien te las muestra.

mira guacha el de la mirada gacha se me champa tras las chachas
y me las chingo con tachas es el que te apapacha y pellizca
las nachas muchacha traigo buena racha poncho churros con bachas
y con mi mala facha si tela tiro la cachas que si se cae al suelo la
pisan se hace cuacha te invito a agarra mi vuelo empezamos en la cama y acabamos
en el suelo me esmero por ser bueno trinitrotolueno con forro de condon
no me pidas mas que no traje el corazon lo deje en la casa babilon como no.

cartel de santa

wasted

Member #3453

03-19-07, 21:48

My return is scheduled for 3/25-3/30. With the holiday coming up the first week of April, what is the likelihood of my return being a good time to cut deals with the girls on salidas? And, how do my arrival dates coincide with payday for the clientelle in the clubs.

Are a number of the girls usually hussling especially hard during the week before the holiday week, just to make up for what they might austensibly be losing in revenue as a result of the slow holiday period?

I would assume if they were good businesswomen, they would be anticipating a lull in business over the holiday period. Or, do most of them have such short attention spans and poor planning skills that they are not thinking that far in advance?

An analysis of this would be very helpful in mongering effectively.

Prokofiev

03-19-07, 21:50

USB and other friends,

OK - Maybe I was wrong. I like a good story as well as the next guy. It's just that you like to write about the high-end clubs and I like the sleazy bars and massage parlors. You have your style and I have mine . . . a bit darker and bleaker, more like a hard-boiled, Raymond Chandler detective novel. So if you can't beat em - join em . . . Enjoy. Cheers -P

A strong wind whipped down Calle Madero, colder that a witches tit. My fat ass was sore from the 12 hour, 3rd class bus ride from the US border, but what did I care? I was back home. The “King” had arrived! The man who put the “rey” in Monterrey . . .

The blinking neon sign of the massage parlor down the block beckoned me onward. As I reached the door, I hesitated a moment before making my glorious entrance. An older woman appeared and gave me a cold, unwelcoming stare as I looked around the dirty front room. She was caked, thick with make-up, which did nothing to hide the years of hellish living that were written upon her ancient face.
“Chicas!” she bellowed and soon 3, D-class, overweight, teen-aged girls slinked into the room, looking bored and jaded. Not a single smile to be found. Their hearts of stone were as cold and hard as the cheap implants that poked out beneath their soiled blouses. I stared deep into their defiant eyes. “Fuck me if you dare!” they seemed to say. “Are you MAN enough to pay $7 and have us under the hanging, bare light bulb of the filthy back room?”

I smiled. I had a secret. Something that could melt the icy heart of even the toughest of all working girls. I looked directly into their hollow eyes and said:

I HAVE COOKIES!

The trio of giggling chicas hugged me tightly, and the Madam bought out 5 tall glasses of cold milk. Crumbs littered the floor as the orgy of eating my delectable, home-made treats lingered on well into the long, dark Monterrey night. I could now have my way with them. Any or all of them. They were mine . . . completely mine! But my plan was deeper, darker and far more sinister than just having jaded, filthy sex with these women. No . . . I had something else in store for them. Something not even they could imagine!

A full moon lit up the slick, rain drenched street, as I herded my little harem of angels into the back seat of the waiting cab. I sat in front with the taxista, who asked me, “Senor, a donde vamos?” I looked back at my helpless girls, seeing their disoriented faces, deep in the reverie of their sugar-buzz . . . .

In total triumph I cried, - “VAMOS AL CINE!!!!!!”

To be continued . . .

Member #3453

03-19-07, 22:13

HAHAHA!!! Cool!!! You're IN!!!

:-)

That woman with the caked makeup kind of reminds me of Angry Girl. Let me know when you're coming to Monterrey and I'll introduce you to her :-)

And, you gotta get another gimmick. The cookie thing is already taken man.

USB and other friends,

OK - Maybe I was wrong. I like a good story as well as the next guy. It's just that you like to write about the high-end clubs and I like the sleazy bars and massage parlors. You have your style and I have mine . . . a bit darker and bleaker, more like a hard-boiled, Raymond Chandler detective novel. So if you can't beat em - join em . . . Enjoy. Cheers -P

A strong wind whipped down Calle Madero, colder that a witches tit. My fat ass was sore from the 12 hour, 3rd class bus ride from the US border, but what did I care? I was back home. The “King” had arrived! The man who put the “rey” in Monterrey . . .
The blinking neon sign of the massage parlor down the block beckoned me onward. As I reached the door, I hesitated a moment before making my glorious entrance. An older woman appeared and gave me a cold, unwelcoming stare as I looked around the dirty front room. She was caked, thick with make-up, which did nothing to hide the years of hellish living that were written upon her ancient face.
“Chicas!” she bellowed and soon 3, D-class, overweight, teen-aged girls slinked into the room, looking bored and jaded. Not a single smile to be found. Their hearts of stone were as cold and hard as the cheap implants that poked out beneath their soiled blouses. I stared deep into their defiant eyes. “Fuck me if you dare!” they seemed to say. “Are you MAN enough to pay $7 and have us under the hanging, bare light bulb of the filthy back room?”
I smiled. I had a secret. Something that could melt the icy heart of even the toughest of all working girls. I looked directly into their hollow eyes and said:
I HAVE COOKIES!
The trio of giggling chicas hugged me tightly, and the Madam bought out 5 tall glasses of cold milk. Crumbs littered the floor as the orgy of eating my delectable, home-made treats lingering on well into the long, dark Monterrey night. I could now have my way with them. Any or all of them. They were mine . . . completely mine! But my plan was deeper, darker and far more sinister than just having jaded, filthy sex with these women. No . . . I had something else in store for them. Something not even they could imagine!
A full moon lit up the slick, rain drenched street, as I herded my little harem of angels into the back seat of the waiting cab. I sat in front with the taxista, who asked me, “Senor, a donde vamos?” I looked back at my helpless girls, seeing their disoriented faces, deep in the reverie of their sugar-buzz . . . .
In total triumph I cried, - “VAMOS AL CINE!!!!!!”
To be continued . . .

MonterreyDude

03-19-07, 22:48

You are coming on the week where the girls will be thirsty for money, cause they will need it for Easter vacations... since pay day will be on Friday, that day will be close to fantastic at the clubs...

My return is scheduled for 3/25-3/30. With the holiday coming up the first week of April, what is the likelihood of my return being a good time to cut deals with the girls on salidas? And, how do my arrival dates coincide with payday for the clientelle in the clubs.

Are a number of the girls usually hussling especially hard during the week before the holiday week, just to make up for what they might austensibly be losing in revenue as a result of the slow holiday period?

I would assume if they were good businesswomen, they would be anticipating a lull in business over the holiday period. Or, do most of them have such short attention spans and poor planning skills that they are not thinking that far in advance?

An analysis of this would be very helpful in mongering effectively.

MonterreyDude

03-19-07, 22:51

Now you know the cookie part... how it really works.
By the way, your post is great.... but why the cliffhanger???
Come on, roll out the second part!!!

USB and other friends,

OK - Maybe I was wrong. I like a good story as well as the next guy. It's just that you like to write about the high-end clubs and I like the sleazy bars and massage parlors. You have your style and I have mine . . . a bit darker and bleaker, more like a hard-boiled, Raymond Chandler detective novel. So if you can't beat em - join em . . . Enjoy. Cheers -P

A strong wind whipped down Calle Madero, colder that a witches tit. My fat ass was sore from the 12 hour, 3rd class bus ride from the US border, but what did I care? I was back home. The “King” had arrived! The man who put the “rey” in Monterrey . . .
The blinking neon sign of the massage parlor down the block beckoned me onward. As I reached the door, I hesitated a moment before making my glorious entrance. An older woman appeared and gave me a cold, unwelcoming stare as I looked around the dirty front room. She was caked, thick with make-up, which did nothing to hide the years of hellish living that were written upon her ancient face.
“Chicas!” she bellowed and soon 3, D-class, overweight, teen-aged girls slinked into the room, looking bored and jaded. Not a single smile to be found. Their hearts of stone were as cold and hard as the cheap implants that poked out beneath their soiled blouses. I stared deep into their defiant eyes. “Fuck me if you dare!” they seemed to say. “Are you MAN enough to pay $7 and have us under the hanging, bare light bulb of the filthy back room?”
I smiled. I had a secret. Something that could melt the icy heart of even the toughest of all working girls. I looked directly into their hollow eyes and said:
I HAVE COOKIES!
The trio of giggling chicas hugged me tightly, and the Madam bought out 5 tall glasses of cold milk. Crumbs littered the floor as the orgy of eating my delectable, home-made treats lingering on well into the long, dark Monterrey night. I could now have my way with them. Any or all of them. They were mine . . . completely mine! But my plan was deeper, darker and far more sinister than just having jaded, filthy sex with these women. No . . . I had something else in store for them. Something not even they could imagine!
A full moon lit up the slick, rain drenched street, as I herded my little harem of angels into the back seat of the waiting cab. I sat in front with the taxista, who asked me, “Senor, a donde vamos?” I looked back at my helpless girls, seeing their disoriented faces, deep in the reverie of their sugar-buzz . . . .
In total triumph I cried, - “VAMOS AL CINE!!!!!!”
To be continued . . .

MonterreyDude

03-19-07, 22:59

By the way Pro, check out some small and new MPs near the streets that marks the Infinito, and to the West.
One is at Carlos Salazar st. and the other one at Treviño St. both bordered by the Alavarez and Villagran Sts.

USB and other friends,

OK - Maybe I was wrong. I like a good story as well as the next guy. It's just that you like to write about the high-end clubs and I like the sleazy bars and massage parlors. You have your style and I have mine . . . a bit darker and bleaker, more like a hard-boiled, Raymond Chandler detective novel. So if you can't beat em - join em . . . Enjoy. Cheers -P

A strong wind whipped down Calle Madero, colder that a witches tit. My fat ass was sore from the 12 hour, 3rd class bus ride from the US border, but what did I care? I was back home. The “King” had arrived! The man who put the “rey” in Monterrey . . .
The blinking neon sign of the massage parlor down the block beckoned me onward. As I reached the door, I hesitated a moment before making my glorious entrance. An older woman appeared and gave me a cold, unwelcoming stare as I looked around the dirty front room. She was caked, thick with make-up, which did nothing to hide the years of hellish living that were written upon her ancient face.
“Chicas!” she bellowed and soon 3, D-class, overweight, teen-aged girls slinked into the room, looking bored and jaded. Not a single smile to be found. Their hearts of stone were as cold and hard as the cheap implants that poked out beneath their soiled blouses. I stared deep into their defiant eyes. “Fuck me if you dare!” they seemed to say. “Are you MAN enough to pay $7 and have us under the hanging, bare light bulb of the filthy back room?”
I smiled. I had a secret. Something that could melt the icy heart of even the toughest of all working girls. I looked directly into their hollow eyes and said:
I HAVE COOKIES!
The trio of giggling chicas hugged me tightly, and the Madam bought out 5 tall glasses of cold milk. Crumbs littered the floor as the orgy of eating my delectable, home-made treats lingering on well into the long, dark Monterrey night. I could now have my way with them. Any or all of them. They were mine . . . completely mine! But my plan was deeper, darker and far more sinister than just having jaded, filthy sex with these women. No . . . I had something else in store for them. Something not even they could imagine!
A full moon lit up the slick, rain drenched street, as I herded my little harem of angels into the back seat of the waiting cab. I sat in front with the taxista, who asked me, “Senor, a donde vamos?” I looked back at my helpless girls, seeing their disoriented faces, deep in the reverie of their sugar-buzz . . . .
In total triumph I cried, - “VAMOS AL CINE!!!!!!”
To be continued . . .

El Cabron 007

03-20-07, 00:16

Says what? Only fools rush in.

I'm shaking my head. I'm pulling my hair. I'm losing my mind.

I am Wasted.

I don't think this was meant as a report. Was it Proko?

If it is what I think it is, you two, Carlos and USb, are in for a major ass whipping.

HAHAHA!!! Cool!!! You're IN!!!

:-)

That woman with the caked makeup kind of reminds me of Angry Girl. Let me know when you're coming to Monterrey and I'll introduce you to her :-)

And, you gotta get another gimmick. The cookie thing is already taken man.

Member #3453

03-20-07, 04:01

Prok's post got me started wondering. I wonder about the contrast in possibilities. I am not really knowledgeable about the Massage scene, and I really don't know what amount of money one can typically expect to spend for a good massage session.

I have some limited experience in the massage scene, most of which is a couple of years old. I speculate that the cost maybe anywhere from about 300-500 pesos for a pretty good looker. And, I assume that would include maybe about 30 minutes to forty five minutes of service. But, I am only guessing. I humbly submit that I really know very little about the actual potential in that segment of the Monterrey scene.

But, what is interesting to contemplate, if in fact one is interested in sampling the delights of the strips clubs for a change, versus the massage parlor scene, is whether a bargain with the strip club girls might be more easily made at this particular time, when the girls are contemplating a slow down.

I would estimate that you could very possibly find a good after hours salida, at least a two hour trist, probably for about 500 pesos, maybe for even less than that, and maybe even a longer period of time. That is my own expectation on this next trip in one week, notwithstanding my seperate, hopefully lengthy, and hopefully cheap, arrangements I can make to see my "G" girl.

I don't know, I am just guestimating as to what the possibilities might be as the strip club girls contemplate their empty purses. Conversely, I suspect the massage club girls will simply be offering their same range of prices as always.

Does anybody have a take on how the Monterrey massage parlor/strip club girl after hours salida pricing will differ in comparison during this period of time, a week before the holiday.

Will the massage parlor scene pricing hold firm during this same period of time, and the strip club girl, after hours salida pricing dip substantially in comparison? I think it might.

If so, now might be an opportune time for massage parlor officionados (sp) who have contemplated a walk on the wild side to sample the strip club girls. It seems to me the pricing will be pretty attractive in comparison to the massage scene, which I believe will remain relatively stable with respect to pricing during the same period.

You are coming on the week where the girls will be thirsty for money, cause they will need it for Easter vacations... since pay day will be on Friday, that day will be close to fantastic at the clubs...

Member #3453

03-20-07, 04:26

Prok,

One correction on your post. I (we) don't frequent the high end clubs. You will only find me (us), in the low end bars, and sometimes in the medium level bars like Casino, Harem, Pasarelas, Bahamas.

We only spend our money in high end bars, Obsession and Prestige, on the 60 pesos lunch buffet, and only the lunch buffet. We will not even usually buy the girls drinks in the high end bars during the lunch buffet.

With the exception of Obsession and Prestige for the lunch buffet, we are very frugal, and avoid the high end bars like the plague. In the low end bars, you can get salidas, especially after hours when the girls get off work, for as little as 500 pesos for two hours, but it does take some negotiation, and some familiarity with the girls. But it is not uncommon, or difficult, just requires a little persistence at becoming known.

I am going to regret bringing all these guys into the mix...I just frickin' know it. Hold me back Carlos. Prok, hopefully you are old, grey, wrinkled, and smelly. That way you will not be competing with us. Frankly, I don't need the competition.

It's just that you like to write about the high-end clubs

Prokofiev

03-20-07, 04:44

please note. this story will appear cryptic to those who are not veterans of the monterrey scene or have not read the posts here during the past year. it is serious literature, but meant in fun . . . enjoy. cheers, -p

my head hurt as i watched the waiter grab the small plate of cold, half-eaten toast from the adjacent, empty table and place it down in front of me.

“algo mas, senor uno?”

another late monterrey morning. another free pda breakfast . . .

i stared at the obvious bite mark on the top piece as i loaded it up with butter and jam. i couldn’t stop thinking about the night before. how i love the movies! and a double, disney feature . . . in spanish! the images of the previous night burned in my brain and i again felt that familiar, queasy, butterfly feeling in my stomach. was it love? true love? or just the crappy pda breakfast? or that milk i drank last night? it did taste funny . . .

i considered filing an isg trip report about my forbidden, but exciting mp fling of the previous night using the hi-speed internet connection in the lobby. at 5 bps it was one of the fastest in all of mexico, but the long line of patrons convinced me otherwise.

i returned to my room and switched on the bed-side lamp. it burned brightly, thanks to the us-made light bulbs i had dragged down with me on the long bus ride. “they don’t make bulbs like this in mexico”, i gloated. the strong light illuminated the numerous stains on the almost-new, 1-yr old, grey carpeting. my fingers idly played with the cigarette burn-holes of the bed spread as i was lost in deep thoughts that only i could understand. suddenly, out of the corner of my eye i noticed a subtle movement of the door knob . . .

“quien es?” i shouted, reaching for my piece. this is part of the intrigue of mexico. anything is possible. anything could happen. and you had to be prepared.
there was no answer, but the door slowly opened. i trained my weapon upon it.

“mas toallas, senor uno?”

it was only lupe, the goofy-looking pda maid. she handed me a ragged towel and made a semi-obscene jerking motion with her right hand. ok. i had been giving her 500 peso propinas for the past year, which entitled me to an extra towel, clean sheets and the occasional hand job. it’s what we veterans refer to as the “pda special”, a closely guarded secret.

“no, not today lupe”

“pero vat dis da matter, senor uno? estas enamorado? “ , she asked, concern dripping from her voice.

what? was it so obvious? could this uneducated mexicana peer into the depths of my complicated soul just like that? she could see through me as easily as though a piece of 1-ply mexican toilet paper?

she left me alone and i grabbed the el sol newspaper and turned to the back pages. i knew carlitos would have the el infinito tour bus out front before long. tonight was the special “salute to america” night and cover charge was only 600 pesos, provided you have proof of us citizenship and would let them hold your wallet and hotel room key.

the forbidden ads of el sol beckoned to me with their provocative displays of semi-nude women. faraonas i . . . faraonas ii . . . faraonas iii. 200 peso specials. 150 peso specials. an 80 peso special!!!
no!, please make it stop!
euforia, romanos, and . . . dare i dream, the infamous misses, the best that monterrey could offer!

but what i truly craved was . . . signore! to lie upon that huge, but filthy king-size bed and watch myself in the cloudy over-head mirror. french, greek, russian, bbbj, cim, dupla, triplex – all on the menu! and the obscene drawings of snow white getting drilled by all 7 dwarfs! i had to experience it . . .

then i heard a familiar bubbling and gurgling coming from my stomach. i dashed toward the bathroom. maybe this wasn’t love after all . . .

to be continued . . .

MonterreyDude

03-20-07, 09:01

MMMmmmm
Prokovief.. first time I hear the Infinito (my home away from home) called a "first class club"

PS: Please post on the massage parlors I mention on Carlos Salazar and Treviño Sts. Need those reports for guys that come here looking for MPs....

Prok,

One correction on your post. I (we) don't frequent the high end clubs. You will only find me (us), in the low end bars, and sometimes in the medium level bars like Casino, Harem, Pasarelas, Bahamas.

We only spend our money in high end bars, Obsession and Prestige, on the 60 pesos lunch buffet, and only the lunch buffet. We will not even usually buy the girls drinks in the high end bars during the lunch buffet.

With the exception of Obsession and Prestige for the lunch buffet, we are very frugal, and avoid the high end bars like the plague. In the low end bars, you can get salidas, especially after hours when the girls get off work, for as little as 500 pesos for two hours, but it does take some negotiation, and some familiarity with the girls. But it is not uncommon, or difficult, just requires a little persistence at becoming known.

I am going to regret bringing all these guys into the mix...I just frickin' know it. Hold me back Carlos. Prok, hopefully you are old, grey, wrinkled, and smelly. That way you will not be competing with us. Frankly, I don't need the competition.

Member #3453

03-20-07, 12:27

Prok has stated "it's all in fun"...so be it...I accept that. It doesn't destract me in the least from going between the posts, reading all that's here. Those who find his post distasteful can easily scroll through it. It doesn't bother me in the least. I would appreciate the postings significantly more if they were his actual experiences, and perhaps someday he will loosen up and give them up for real.

Ass whipping, no ass whipping, whatever...doesn't matter. If Prok decides to hang out some day with us he's welcome, or if he wants to post stories on here to prove a point, or if he wants to post stories to make fun, or he wants to post stories for whatever reason, it really makes no difference whatsoever.

It is all about having fun! He obviously put some work into writing the stories...I will gladly read them with interest, even if they are perhaps cartoonishly written for other, more sinister, reasons. When I read the forum, I have nothing else to do, so who cares...I suspect that he is possibly having fun on the forum for the first time in his life. Truly, I hope that is the case.

I don't need information from him, and if I did, I would simply ask for the specifics, just as I asked for specifics in the forum relative to the pricing that I can expect to pay in Monterrey next week before the holiday crunch. I know there is only one person on this board that has the insite to deliver on my inquiry, and that is Carlos, except of course, all others are invited to offer their explanations as well, and I will consider your comments with appreciation.

I will gladly consider all advice, but I also know that nobody but Carlos has responded, nor did I expect anyone else to respond, because, literally, there is nobody else that knows. Certainly, there is nobody else that's apparently choosing to contribute to this board with much in the way of reports where the same details have not already been rehashed a thousand times, or any other specific subject.

I would truly enjoy reading Prok's actual comments about his experiences, even with all the same kind of detail he has so eloquently presented, and perhaps he actually has such material locked deep inside his "devious" mind :-). Perhaps this kind of practice in writing eloquently will bring him out of his shell. It wouldn't take much to actually produce it, if in fact he decides that he is "trusting" enough to actually post his true thoughts and opionions about his experiences, whether they be mushy, logistical, emotional, contemplative, whatever...doesn't matter to me.

And, with respect to their length, or there "mushy" content, I would really like to hear the details of his actual experiences, along with his true thoughts and feelings, not a cartoonish copy of my stories, but his own thoughts and feelings about his own experiences. But, I accept them in the spirit in which he has offered them.

But, because Prok has offered the olive branch, all be it possibly tongue in cheek, and most likely with potential insincerity, I will try in every way possible to be as gracious as possible. No more harsh words from me, no criticisms...that is not me. Frankly, I welcome him to Monterrey, and would hang out with him, help him out any way I can, no problem.

If I find some more material next week when I am in Monterrey, he can look forward to a plethera of "enjoyable" reading material from me as well. :-) His posts serve to inspire me even further on, to produce even more prolifically than ever. For now, the way I see this most recent development, we are in a sort of literary competition. I feel the need to produce material with even more zeal, verdad?

I have already decided to target the street girl scene, I will produce reams of material on that study, just for all of our street girl officianados. I will try to report the cost, the names, the streets, the descriptions...I won't touch them with a ten foot pole. I will leave that to someone else. So, do not expect an "emotionally charged" assessment, other than perhaps my own comments of trepedation. But, do not expect a "heartfelt" assessment of their performance...I doubt that actually exists, but those who may know can certainly do a followup.

It is very boring during the day in Monterrey, and I will have nothing else to occupy my time. So, writing lengthy reports fills the time nicely. I will attempt to provide as many details as possible. So, the street girls are it. I will attempt to use Prok's style as a pre-requisite style for my upcoming report. I make this commitment provided I am not somehow distracted with more pressing matters, in which case a lengthy report of those escapades will most certainly follow.

See, Prok, look at the length of this post. See how you have inspired me on? There are no consequences to any of this. It is all meant in fun...who cares? I have much more important things to contemplate when I am not sitting at this keyboard than my on-line, anonymous persona on ISG, and by your recent submissions, you have apparently seen the light as well.

Actually, Prok...I have to say, I just read it again. It is actually pretty damned funny, really!!!!

Says what? Only fools rush in.

I'm shaking my head. I'm pulling my hair. I'm losing my mind.

I am Wasted.

I don't think this was meant as a report. Was it Proko?

If it is what I think it is, you two, Carlos and USb, are in for a major ass whipping.

Prokofiev

03-20-07, 16:30

Apologies to the management of the PDA, El Infinito or anyone else, living or dead, who may see themselves in this story. I have tried to squeeze as many inside jokes as possible into each sentence, all based upon the previous year of posts here. Happy you see the humor, USB. Of course it's loaded with sarcasm, but not meant to be cruel or insulting. It is a running gag and meant to be funny . . .

Cheers, -P

MonterreyDude

03-20-07, 17:06

Insults?
Non taken....
Please stay in touch.

Apologies to the management of the PDA, El Infinito or anyone else, living or dead, who may see themselves in this story. I have tried to squeeze as many inside jokes as possible into each sentence, all based upon the previous year of posts here. Happy you see the humor, USB. Of course it's loaded with sarcasm, but not meant to be cruel or insulting. It is a running gag and meant to be funny . . .

Cheers, -P

Member #3453

03-20-07, 17:19

It was funny...Really! I truly enjoyed it. At Carlos' expense, I actually found the part about the "arranged tour" to be most amusng. Of course, it is totally untrue with respect to Carlos. But, it was really quite amusing.

See, aren't you having fun!

WTF else is there to frickin' do when your stuck at home, in the wasteland of the US, wishing you were "somewhere" else, or in MTY during the daytime hours. There isn't shit to do in MTY during the day. Ask WastedG, he spent like 8-9 days there.

And, me, crap, I spend like a week at a time. Seriously, I look for shit to write about as much as possible, preferably new stuff to post, hopefully interesting, but obviously sometimes droning on to my own detriment. But, MTY can be quite boring month to month, especially during the day.

But, perhaps, daytime hours are more condusive to the massage scene. And, I have considered it, but I am an old fart, and I do not have the constitution of a young stud. So, I must conserve my energy for the club girls.

Well done, thanks for the entertainment...Now, you need to come up with a Spanish Song, or some other schtick. I already have a corner on the cookie thing, and you know, the Starburst jelly beans, and the pocket rockets, and I don't know...I am running out of ideas. To illustrate my total openess, I even invite grumpy old Milljust to the party...everybody lighten up, verdad!

Come on down, hang out with us...all of this will start to make sense...I hope :-)

Apologies to the management of the PDA, El Infinito or anyone else, living or dead, who may see themselves in this story. I have tried to squeeze as many inside jokes as possible into each sentence, all based upon the previous year of posts here. Happy you see the humor, USB. Of course it's loaded with sarcasm, but not meant to be cruel or insulting. It is a running gag and meant to be funny . . .

Cheers, -P

Member #3453

03-20-07, 17:41

What's that old saying...uh, "Imitation is the best form of flattery." :-)

Apologies to the management of the PDA, El Infinito or anyone else, living or dead, who may see themselves in this story. I have tried to squeeze as many inside jokes as possible into each sentence, all based upon the previous year of posts here. Happy you see the humor, USB. Of course it's loaded with sarcasm, but not meant to be cruel or insulting. It is a running gag and meant to be funny . . .

Cheers, -P

MonterreyDude

03-21-07, 09:21

Well USB... do not feel it was at my expense.
There is a guy a at my Monterrey Yahoo group,and this is before he realized it was me, he thought I was a taxi driver moving Wasted and Mr L around...!!!!
Wont be the first time, wont be the last time...
Turns out this guy is a very close neighbor of mine... told him later that he didn't offend me....

It was funny...Really! I truly enjoyed it. At Carlos' expense, I actually found the part about the "arranged tour" to be most amusng. Of course, it is totally untrue with respect to Carlos. But, it was really quite amusing.

See, aren't you having fun!

WTF else is there to frickin' do when your stuck at home, in the wasteland of the US, wishing you were "somewhere" else, or in MTY during the daytime hours. There isn't shit to do in MTY during the day. Ask WastedG, he spent like 8-9 days there.

And, me, crap, I spend like a week at a time. Seriously, I look for shit to write about as much as possible, preferably new stuff to post, hopefully interesting, but obviously sometimes droning on to my own detriment. But, MTY can be quite boring month to month, especially during the day.

But, perhaps, daytime hours are more condusive to the massage scene. And, I have considered it, but I am an old fart, and I do not have the constitution of a young stud. So, I must conserve my energy for the club girls.

Well done, thanks for the entertainment...Now, you need to come up with a Spanish Song, or some other schtick. I already have a corner on the cookie thing, and you know, the Starburst jelly beans, and the pocket rockets, and I don't know...I am running out of ideas. To illustrate my total openess, I even invite grumpy old Milljust to the party...everybody lighten up, verdad!

Come on down, hang out with us...all of this will start to make sense...I hope :-)

MonterreyDude

03-21-07, 09:47

I used to travel a lot to the USA during the 90's.
Went to the Los Angeles, Ca area for business at least once a month (sometimes up to 4 times a month) and 4 times a year to NYC
Always stayed at the BH Four Seasons at Doheny and Burton Way... and always expected nothing in the sense of action at that place, although the bar at the FS was hot, but action that went way over my head (it is still hot, I still go there every each other year).
The only time I got action was once and that's it.
I was seating at the bar nursing a tequila shot with a beer chaser, talking nonsense with a couple of guys and a hot shot gal from Oregon or Washington State (don't remember)... talk goes on and on and we start paying rounds, making fun of the Valley Girls that go to the FS, see if they get picked up by an exec of who-knows what company, etc, etc.
Well the Oregon/Washington gal suddenly leans over one of the guys and says: "wanna a quickie???"... well cornered that way I say yes. The guy he went over winks at me and says "lucky bastard... thought she had the hots for me".
Asides from a brief act of stupidity on the part of the FS security team that blocked our way on my room floor (which she took care of going ballistic telling them that if they thought she was a f****ing hooker and that she was also a guest there), I had my quickie.
After finishing and pay attention boys, she says "I knew you were and oral sex guy" (OK, I confess, tongue gave me out), mounts me, and on top of me cums again for a 2nd time... and she ends her orgasm asking me "OK, do I pay the next round or is it one of the guys at the bar????"
This, guys, is one of the COLDEST things I ever felt.
She was using me as a dildo (not the first time, though, had it with other girls too) and she just didn't care what ever my feelings were... you know, just like a regular cold hearted US SW.
Thought cross my mind: I never looked for it in the USA cause I knew it would be cold and impersonal... now I had my comfirmation.
Never looked for it again....
Though I was corraled by a lady psychiatrist at an elevator in San Francisco in December of 99... caught the flu in Frisco and I only wanted to go to bed.
You should have seen the look on her face.... mine too, she was a nice 40 year old doctor and she had the "look".
It was not to be.....

On the US side, yes, I was invited and I was very careful paying attention to everything while enjoying all at the same time. At no point did I leave my self open to any possibilities whatsoever. Although I was in the company of pros, I made sure, just in case, I could always bail. Trust me, I know.

On the MTY side, I always made friends with the locals as well. You know how social I am. On the other hand, I still make it clear that those girls are with me and they are not to be messed around with. I am as possessive as any other man, if not more. There was one time that one of the girls was talking to a male dancer, a big muscle man. I stepped in and he apologized and started to walk away. Keep in mind that the girl, X, is the one who start the conversation. But then I pulled him back and gave him permission to talk. Then laughed it off saying I was just joking.

Maybe not being a blond-haired blue-eyed white man helps a little. Many assume I am a local as well. In all the times I've been to those places, I have not seen anything threatening. I felt extremely comfortable and totally enjoyed myself.

Still, I always keep my eyes open … Until I get Wasted.

Wasted

Member #3453

03-21-07, 11:29

There exists a profound cultural difference between, specifically, the girls of Mexico, not to mention Asia, South America, and Central America versus the US. I think the cultural differences are profound, and across the board. For example...

US girls identify with what they perceive will isolate them from even the next closest generation. Sociologically, I do not sense a desire by the girls of Mexico, or the other venues, to isolate themselve from the other generations to nearly the same degree.

That is why we have such a superior potential for ultimate satisfaction in Mexico, and the other venues, versus the US. Money is not the determining factor because the girls of the other venues are earning the same as the girls in the US, or much more, in comparison to the norm in their other respective economies. It is entirely a cultural difference that determines superior performance and not money.

I used to travel a lot to the USA during the 90's.
Went to the Los Angeles, Ca area for business at least once a month (sometimes up to 4 times a month) and 4 times a year to NYC
Always stayed at the BH Four Seasons at Doheny and Burton Way... and always expected nothing in the sense of action at that place, although the bar at the FS was hot, but action that went way over my head (it is still hot, I still go there every each other year).
The only time I got action was once and that's it.
I was seating at the bar nursing a tequila shot with a beer chaser, talking nonsense with a couple of guys and a hot shot gal from Oregon or Washington State (don't remember)... talk goes on and on and we start paying rounds, making fun of the Valley Girls that go to the FS, see if they get picked up by an exec of who-knows what company, etc, etc.
Well the Oregon/Washington gal suddenly leans over one of the guys and says: "wanna a quickie???"... well cornered that way I say yes. The guy he went over winks at me and says "lucky bastard... thought she had the hots for me".
Asides from a brief act of stupidity on the part of the FS security team that blocked our way on my room floor (which she took care of going ballistic telling them that if they thought she was a f****ing hooker and that she was also a guest there), I had my quickie.
After finishing and pay attention boys, she says "I knew you were and oral sex guy" (OK, I confess, tongue gave me out), mounts me, and on top of me cums again for a 2nd time... and she ends her orgasm asking me "OK, do I pay the next round or is it one of the guys at the bar????"
This, guys, is one of the COLDEST things I ever felt.
She was using me as a dildo (not the first time, though, had it with other girls too) and she just didn't care what ever my feelings were... you know, just like a regular cold hearted US SW.
Thought cross my mind: I never looked for it in the USA cause I knew it would be cold and impersonal... now I had my comfirmation.
Never looked for it again....
Though I was corraled by a lady psychiatrist at an elevator in San Francisco in December of 99... caught the flu in Frisco and I only wanted to go to bed.
You should have seen the look on her face.... mine too, she was a nice 40 year old doctor and she had the "look".
It was not to be.....

Member #3453

03-21-07, 16:15

Actually, this is not called a taste of your own medicine. This is called "Plagiarism." I knew I should have submitted it to the US Copywrite Department. Maybe I will do that, but then I can't really reach him in Morelia unless I send DOG the bounty hunter down there to bring him back alive :-) SHIT, the safe zone between Mexico and the US rares it's ugly head, but in reverse.

And to think I would have actually read his report had I not quickly first realized that MJ discoverd how to use the cut and past button early on in his esay. Much of what was posted eminates from my own postings, word for word, almost five years ago. I would have at least expected him to have the creativity that Prok displayed.

And, as you pointed out, most of the supposed "valuable information" in some spots, in spots where he used his own imagination as to what MTY is really like, such as the reference to Infinito being a "high end" club, is not accurate, not even with respect to logistics. That's really helpful to the newbies coming to MTY that we are all so concerned about "helping."

Frankly, I am fine with Prok's pokes at fun. I think his postings were made with sincerity, in fun, and in a conciliatory spirit. But, in this instance, it merely fuels the fire. I will have to contemplate my future writings when I finallly get into Monterrey. For now, I haven't any decent material to submit from the Wasteland. Let the games begin!!! But, unfortunately, since I am on MJ's "doube secret probabation" he can not read my challenges. But, somehow...I don't know...I kind of have this feeling that he reads every word.

Peace :-)

For heaven's sake... One USb is enough :-) now two?

Is this what they call a taste of your own medicine?

Mill - the "I" place aint got no couches. They got chairs with wrinkled cushions that'll make your ass sore. And neither do the girls go to the backroom. Their dressing rooms are upstairs.

And to think that I actually read the entire post. What was I thinking?

Welcome back Mill. I always loved your posts. Although your comments were funnier. I would rather see you make sarcastic remarks and call us names than this. Your comments have always been cool.

Hey USb, you know I love you man.

Carlos, here's a challenge for you: Get Mill, Proko and USb to come down together and I will come down for a final trip. I want to hang out with these two guys. I think we'll have the craziest time of our lives. I'll even bring Mr. "L" to seal the deal. You will have your hands full.

Want better incentives? I'll book and pay for Mill & Proko's room (1 room) at the PDA for the weekend. This is in addition to another room for you, Carlos, for 1 night to salida a special someone.

But wait; if you call now, I'll even have a group of the Infinito girls to come out with us to a dance club on Friday and/or Saturday night to make sure we get blasted. Be ready for one hell of a night.

Wasted

Prokofiev

03-21-07, 17:22

this is the end . . . i promise, no mas. carlos as taxi driver? no, i envision something larger in your future. it's meant as fun. enjoy -p

carlitos pulled the huge, red, white and blue, double-decker tour bus up to the club entrance. painted in large letters on each side was: “gringo express”.

“estamos aqui, senores!” he yelled as he opened the door and the large monger group began to disembark. first off were the drunken shriners - each with a free-drink coupon, their fez hats perched precariously at various angles as they wobbled towards the el infinito security checkpoint. i stayed behind. i had a plan. i knew it was dangerous, but that’s how i live. danger is my middle name! i had hoped my buddy, g-man would watch my back. but it was too late. i saw the blank, zombie-like stare in his eyes as he idly peeled off bills from his wad of 500 peso notes with a rubber-band around it. he was a goner.

as the japanese business men in front of me were removing their rolex’s for the bouncers, i saw my chance. i ran for it . . .

“no! he’s getting away!”, cried carlos and the bouncers took off after me. they were fast. but i was faster. i could feel their hot breath on the back of my neck as i tore down the street. cell phones were dialed. security from givenchy, el cielo and tanga-lay joined the chase. guys on bikes. guys with motorcycles. the guys from the taco stands! cars. dogs. i even heard a helicopter overhead. but still i didn’t stop. i thought about going to the massage parlor from last night.

“surely, my girls can help me. they can protect me. i still have my cookies.”, i thought.

but no. what could 4 burley women on a sugar-jag do against so many armed and dangerous men? there was one and only one place in all of monterrey where i would be safe. but could i make it? i had to try.

i turned down villagran. they were gaining on me. finally, after what seemed like an eternity, i arrived at the versailles cinema. i bounded into the lobby and threw my last 100 peso bill at the 2 old men playing cards by the door. i entered the pitch-black, gay movie palace and knew i had made it! the crowd of macho bouncers and security men stopped dead in their tracks outside the theater. for the macho mexican male, the versailles was like kryptonite to superman. they dare not enter! a line of monterrey’s most feared and dangerous trannies blocked the doorway. and these girls can really scratch!

i ran through the dark interior, not even stopping to check-out the film. out though the back door . . . and i was free, finally free from the tyranny of club life! i felt so liberated! so alive!

as i strolled happily through the back streets of the city, i checked my stash. i still had a crisp, us $100 bill and a full bag of my delicious cookies. i had it made. i was on a mission. nothing could stop me now.
the night was cold and dark. i strained to read house addresses in the gloom.

“650 . . . 652 . . . 654. here it is. tapia #654! the address of misses. the holy grail of mps.”

it looked like a fairly normal residence. no sign to indicate anything different. i hesitantly walked through the garage-like entrance and up a flight of stairs. was this the right place? or just someone’s house? then i saw it. a small sign next to the door bell. i read it in abject horror . . .

misses
dos mil pesos
solo en efectivo
no galletas

MonterreyDude

03-21-07, 18:09

proko, your story went like the matrix trilogy.
the first part was incredible,
the second, long awaited, flashy but something didn't sound right.
the third, dissapointing. not on the level of the first 2. forced narrative, disjointed, the writer knows the source by heart but sold his soul to the devil instead of being loyal to originality, and literaly suddenly it just cuts to the chase and left us not gasping for air, but searching for the proverbial answer to the question "what the hell was that all about???"
another example of how the american culture of entertainment is engrained in your dna... always reach for the formula to get to the masses.

ps: there always has to be a critic that spoils everything. but not to worry, box office sales will be through the roof.

this is the end . . . i promise, no mas. carlos as taxi driver? no, i envision something larger in your future. it's meant as fun. enjoy -p

carlitos pulled the huge, red, white and blue, double-decker tour bus up to the club entrance. painted in large letters on each side was: “gringo express”.

“estamos aqui, senores!” he yelled as he opened the door and the large monger group began to disembark. first off were the drunken shriners - each with a free-drink coupon, their fez hats perched precariously at various angles as they wobbled towards the el infinito security checkpoint. i stayed behind. i had a plan. i knew it was dangerous, but that’s how i live. danger is my middle name! i had hoped my buddy, g-man would watch my back. but it was too late. i saw the blank, zombie-like stare in his eyes as he idly peeled off bills from his wad of 500 peso notes with a rubber-band around it. he was a goner.

as the japanese business men in front of me were removing their rolex’s for the bouncers, i saw my chance. i ran for it . . .

“no! he’s getting away!”, cried carlos and the bouncers took off after me. they were fast. but i was faster. i could feel their hot breath on the back of my neck as i tore down the street. cell phones were dialed. security from givenchy, el cielo and tanga-lay joined the chase. guys on bikes. guys with motorcycles. the guys from the taco stands! cars. dogs. i even heard a helicopter overhead. but still i didn’t stop. i thought about going to the massage parlor from last night.

“surely, my girls can help me. they can protect me. i still have my cookies.”, i thought.

but no. what could 4 burley women on a sugar-jag do against so many armed and dangerous men? there was one and only one place in all of monterrey where i would be safe. but could i make it? i had to try.

i turned down villagran. they were gaining on me. finally, after what seemed like an eternity, i arrived at the versailles cinema. i bounded into the lobby and threw my last 100 peso bill at the 2 old men playing cards by the door. i entered the pitch-black, gay movie palace and knew i had made it! the crowd of macho bouncers and security men stopped dead in their tracks outside the theater. for the macho mexican male, the versailles was like kryptonite to superman. they dare not enter! a line of monterrey’s most feared and dangerous trannies blocked the doorway. and these girls can really scratch!

i ran through the dark interior, not even stopping to check-out the film. out though the back door . . . and i was free, finally free from the tyranny of club life! i felt so liberated! so alive!

as i strolled happily through the back streets of the city, i checked my stash. i still had a crisp, us $100 bill and a full bag of my delicious cookies. i had it made. i was on a mission. nothing could stop me now.
the night was cold and dark. i strained to read house addresses in the gloom.

“650 . . . 652 . . . 654. here it is. tapia #654! the address of misses. the holy grail of mps.”

it looked like a fairly normal residence. no sign to indicate anything different. i hesitantly walked through the garage-like entrance and up a flight of stairs. was this the right place? or just someone’s house? then i saw it. a small sign next to the door bell. i read it in abject horror . . .

misses
dos mil pesos
solo en efectivo
no galletas

Prokofiev

03-21-07, 20:01

OK Carlos,

I promised to retire and I will keep my word. I'm clearly running out of material. But you know the part about Cinema Versailles is dead on, right? Or am I wrong?

-P

MonterreyDude

03-21-07, 20:07

Cinema Versalles... well, to be honest, I do now thanks to you.
I never set foot in those places.
I only hear or read the urban legends.

OK Carlos,

I promised to retire and I will keep my word. I'm clearly running out of material. But you know the part about Cinema Versailles is dead on, right? Or am I wrong?

-P

Psychman

03-21-07, 20:23

Gentelmen,

As a many time vet of Costa Rica and other places south, I am not at all a newby to our hobby. On my other board, when newbies ask for general information, I am on board with asking them to read. Yet, I have read ten pages here and am mostly finding back and fourth grips between memmbers. No probem with me, but could anyone PM me or post some basic, organized info for me, or lead me to it? I will soon be in Montery. I speak excellent , and am very accostomed to low to mid end joints, and am a skilled negotiator for what I enjoy.

1) The low down on Mps?

2) Part timer clubs?

3) Local trip clubs and low end places?

4) The general P4P scene,and how it compares to other Latin American cities?

I am most thankful.

Mickeyyy

03-22-07, 06:57

Hi guys, I'm in Monterrey now - I will have here only one more night I'd like to spend on some nice massage.

I'm looking for any massage salon accesible after 10pm (I don't have any time before) and located in walking distance from Crowne Plaza hotel.

As you can see it's realy urgent for me so could you pleease give me some adressess with description how to get there?

I'd be grateful for your help :)

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 08:43

Mickey, sorry to tell you but walking distance from the CP there are no straight massage parlors and specially after 10 pm, you'll find none.

Hi guys, I'm in Monterrey now - I will have here only one more night I'd like to spend on some nice massage.

I'm looking for any massage salon accesible after 10pm (I don't have any time before) and located in walking distance from Crowne Plaza hotel.

As you can see it's realy urgent for me so could you pleease give me some adressess with description how to get there?

I'd be grateful for your help :)

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 08:44

And we are here to help you Psychman.
I've sent you a PM.
But am answering the questions here too:

1) The low down on Mps?
I don't do MPs but I can help you out. The moment you step in Monterrey, buy the afternoon paper El Sol. It has tons of MPs starting from those that will charge you 100 pesos for quickie to the finest that will squeeze your wallet of 2000 pesos. Remember that MPs here are not underground, it's in the open.
2) Part timer clubs?
Part timer clubs as in what? Don't get the question.
3) Local trip clubs and low end places?
I don't get "trip clubs" and low end... how low are we talking here?
4) The general P4P scene,and how it compares to other Latin American cities?
For that comparison you need to PM Unspongebob. He's favorite city is Monterrey, but he's been to Costa Rica and SEA too. He'll be most helpful there.

Gentelmen,

As a many time vet of Costa Rica and other places south, I am not at all a newby to our hobby. On my other board, when newbies ask for general information, I am on board with asking them to read. Yet, I have read ten pages here and am mostly finding back and fourth grips between memmbers. No probem with me, but could anyone PM me or post some basic, organized info for me, or lead me to it? I will soon be in Montery. I speak excellent , and am very accostomed to low to mid end joints, and am a skilled negotiator for what I enjoy.

1) The low down on Mps?

2) Part timer clubs?

3) Local trip clubs and low end places?

4) The general P4P scene,and how it compares to other Latin American cities?

I am most thankful.

Member #3453

03-22-07, 12:10

Psychman,

Monterrey can not compare to Asia, not with respect to price, not with respect to general attitude, and not with respect to availability. But, I prefer Mexican girls to Asian girls, so I enjoy MTY. However, with significant experience on the ground, Monterrey can yield the Asian GFE experience, but it requires a lot of time, significant prior investment, and significant disappointment sprinkled into the mix. That's not a criticism of Monterrey, but they are really two very different venues, and virtually uncomparable, each having it's own brand of charm.

San Jose is cheaper. In comparison, generally speaking, you will receive about 2 hours of hotel action for about twice the typical cost of todo la noche in San Jose. Salidas for strip club girls vary according to the club you're visiting. The lower end clubs will run you about 1350-1500 pesos for 1.5-2 hours back at your hotel.

The medium and high end clubs will run an additional 40%-60%, and up to 300% more, respectively, compared to the low end clubs. If you're looking for todo la noche action in Monterrey, it is almost non-existent, certainly so in comparison to what is regularly available in San Jose. Todo La Noche can be had, but it will typically cost a lot, and the girls of MTY do not generally seem available for that kind of experience. Todo La Noche is not common.

Your selection with respect to strip club girls in MTY, versus a Blue Marlin type setup, will exceed what you generally find at the Blue Marlin, or any of the strip clubs in San Jose. In that respect, I have always thought that Monterrey was superior, even in comparison to the shear numbers of strip clubs in comparison. In comparison to strip clubs in San Jose, ones like Josephines, probably one of the highest quality in San Jose, the lower end El Infinito in Monterrey is superior with respect to selection. If you choose to visit the strip clubs in MTY they are primarily located downtown.

Take a taxi to the area of the strip club Gaunlet, Villagran between Carlos Salizar and Isaac Garza, and South on Villagran. Many of the strip clubs are located about 3-4 blocks South of Madero on Villagran. They are not comfortable clubs. They are uncomfortable clubs, straight back chairs, dingy facilities, dirty cubicles, etc...but the quality of your experience there is very economical for what you get, quality of girls, cheap drinks, cheap table dances in the privados (50 pesos), cheap BJ, and relatively cheap full service, etc...

A full range of services is available on-site, and cost for full service will be approximately 200 pesos for a BJ, 400 pesos for full service. In addition, time is predicated on the playing of 4 minute songs, which will cost you 50 pesos each. So, the longer you take to pop, the more it costs. I estimate the typical cost of a full service session to run around 500-700 pesos in the privados for full service when you factor in a song for every four minutes you are in the privados...depends a lot on you.

Basically, these are the lower end clubs, all located within walking distance of each other, probably none of them more than 5 minutes apart on foot, and some of them across the street from one another or relatively next door to one another. They are clubs that have some good quality girls, some better than others of course.

I would rate them accordingly:
El Infinito (far and away my favorite)
Matehuala
El Cielo
Tangalay
Givenchy
Parthenon

Matehuela is within walking distance of El Infinito, probably 5-8 minutes, at Madero and Juan Alverez, one block West of Villagran if you walk North from El Infinito to Madero.

El Cielo is located at Arteaga two blocks East of Vilagran, so it's within easy walking distance of El Infinito as well, 3-4 minutes.

Medium priced clubs are going to run you probably about 40% more than the lower end clubs for on-site services.

Here are the medium priced clubs, listed according to my preference, ones that are all located within close proximity to one another, and within walking distance of one another:
El Harem, 1400 block of Madero
Pasarelas, 900 block of Madero.
THche, 1800 block of Madero
Excalibur, 1000 Block of Madero

I would also recommend Casino, which is the other direction and not within walking distance of the cluster of medium level clubs mentioned above. Casino's address is Madero Ave or Colon Ave. at Capt. Aguilar. It is in the same category, perhaps just slightly under the quality of El Harem, IMHO. But according to Carlos, Casino is above Harem' category. Per Carlos, "I know it doesn't look like it, but it is. Remember, same owners, prices are higher there so they consider it better (just like Prestige and Obsession)."

Bahamas is also in the category of the medium level clubs, and it is located on Guerrero, North of Madero. Per Carlos, "Bahamas (North of Obsession on Guerrero Ave. is lower than Casino and Harem (all under the same ownership)."

High End Clubs will run you anywhere from probably about 100% to 300% more than the lower end clubs for on-site full service, 300% being the more common circumstance, especially for Gringos.

The high end strip clubs are as follows:
Obsession, on Guerrero North of Colon
Prestige, Prestige, Madero Ave y Veinte de Noviembre (If your getting in on taxi you enter on Madero Ave )
Poisson, Zaragoza and Aramberri
Amnesia, Amnesia, Simon Bolivar (every taxi driver knows the address).
Premier, Premier, 700 Block of Ruiz Cortines

Most of the taxi drivers will know the locations of these high end clubs because they get commissions if they bring you to one of them. So, be expecting to pay through the nose if you choose to visit them, or hop out when you get in relative close proximity and walk to them. They are very comfortable, plush, great line-ups of girls, usually having girls with exceptional personalities that are capable of persuading you to part with as much money as possible. The girls have their proven track records to defend with management, and they are aggressive, in sometimes very subtle ways, at doing so.

The medium level clubs are comfortable too, the girls can sometimes be just as hot, and the prices are significantly less. So, I am rarely, if ever, found in the high end clubs of MTY. I usually split half my time between the medium level clubs and the low end clubs. I reserve salidas primarily for the low end clubs, and drinking and socializing for the medium level clubs.

I don't frequent the high end clubs for anything other than the 60 pesos lunch buffets in the afternoons at Prestige and Obsession. I've found better options in the medium and low end clubs.

But, that having been said, some guys like the comfort of the high end clubs, and their quality is generally quite good, so if you have the money, and you want to blow it, have at it. I doubt anyone goes away from the high end clubs disasspointed, except to realize they have blown a huge wad of dough afterward. But, for visiting Gringos that have no Spanish speaking abilities, guys that want to be pampered, guys that don't care what the cost is because they are there to have a great time regardless of cost, guys that like the comfort of a "USA" style high end plush strip clubs, then the high end clubs of Monterrey will not disappoint you. Just bring your wallet, and several credit cards

There really is no venue in Monterrey that I am aware of that compares to the Blue Marlin for example.

Well, maybe the brothels of MTY, Maxims, Divain, Carmelas? But in that instance, the girls are employees of the establishment, not freelancers, and cost, range of quality, and numbers of girls available do not compare to the Blue Marlin.

Carlos has more information on the brothels than I do, but I don't believe he even frequents them anymore these days. They are just too expensive for what you get, like 1800-2200 pesos for 1 hour?

So, in MTY, you will have a choice of strip club girls, numerous massage parlors of widely varying quality, the brothels, and a few street girls hanging outside of hotels in the area of Pino Suarez and Reforma streets. There are very few, if any, streetwalkers. The MTY police are quite aggressive in that area. You may see some that appear to be standing on corners here and there, but beware...they are usually "chicks with dicks," and those that are legitimate street walkers are a bad bet.

Prokofiev can probably fill you in on the massage parlor scene. His assessments seem well informed and I believe they are also relatively recent. Of course, the main source for logistics with respect to Massage Parlors is, as Carlos indicated, El Sol newspaper. It is only published certain days of the week, so it's sometimes hard to find at a moment's notice.

I hope this information is helpful. Have fun...

Gentelmen,

As a many time vet of Costa Rica and other places south, I am not at all a newby to our hobby. On my other board, when newbies ask for general information, I am on board with asking them to read. Yet, I have read ten pages here and am mostly finding back and fourth grips between memmbers. No probem with me, but could anyone PM me or post some basic, organized info for me, or lead me to it? I will soon be in Montery. I speak excellent , and am very accostomed to low to mid end joints, and am a skilled negotiator for what I enjoy.

1) The low down on Mps?

2) Part timer clubs?

3) Local trip clubs and low end places?

4) The general P4P scene,and how it compares to other Latin American cities?

I am most thankful.

Member #3453

03-22-07, 13:56

Carlos,

Has the quality of the buffet at the Obsession improved as of late? How about the lineups at each? Getting psyched up for my trip on Sunday.

Member #3453

03-22-07, 14:00

Has the line-up at Givenchy normalized since they opened the new facility immediately North of El Infinito? I am just wondering if they're bringing girls over there still from El Infinito to bolster the line-up, or if the relative mediocre line-up is back to normal at Givenchy.

Prokofiev

03-22-07, 17:31

Mick . . .

There are several MPs with 24-hr service. Most close at 10pm.
Don't worry about walking , just take a cab. These 3 have web-sites

Signore is the cheapest. At night expect 200-350 pesos for 30 minutes.
http://www.signore.com.mx/principal.html

Have not been here. Costs more. Only saw the website
http://www.passion.com.mx/

This place is expensive. Really more of a casa than a MP. 2000 pesos minimum. Very nice girls.
http://www.misses.com.mx/

*********************************************************
As of Feb 2007

I have been back in Monterrey for a quick 2 days. Visited several clubs, and went to numerous massage places to check out the goods.

First off, the massage prices continue to fall - at least the promocion prices. Several places were 80p, 100p, 110 and 130. The bad news is that most have added the twist of a propina for removing her top, a second position etc. If you give them 200p =$18US and say the rest is hers, you can be pretty much assured of doing what you want, in as many positions as you like. Still an incredible bargain.

I had 6 sessions in 5 places in 2 days and I thought the much mentioned Signore to still be the best of the lot. King size beds, huge rooms w showers and girls with the right attitude. I had Grecia, 22 a smallish morena twice and enjoyed the experience. Very cute girl with only a few stretch marks on her stomach. Nice attitude, a good time. $18 well spent.

Tried a new? place Sensaciones at Juan Alverez 820 - very close to Matehuala. Can recommend Fernanda, 27 for incredible oral skills. Did a CBJ only for 15 minutes. Very nice face and great attitude. With 3 kids her stomach was a mess, but watching her face while she gives grade-A head . . . priceless.

The rooms at both Duality and Shakira leave alot to be desired, but at least you can lie down. Forgetable experiences at both.

Finally another new? place at Villagomez 825 - across the street from Signore, was nice. I can recommend Judith -33 but looks much younger. Very nice body, great attitude. Would go back if I had more time.

Another tip`at these places. If you find a girl you really enjoyed, ask her for a card with the places address. She will often give you her cell number to get in touch later (free-lance at your hotel after hours). This saves her the house fee and allows you more time in a nicer ambience. Didn´t do it myself, but had the chance with the 2 of them I liked. YMMV.
*********************************************************
As of Jan 2006

Here is an overview of the massage parlors I saw during my 5 nights in Monterrey. Overall, the quality of chicas in the clubs tends to be far superior, but if you look hard enough you can find some MP gems for very little money. Of course the girls change often, so the addresses may be of more value than my experiences with seeing the various chicas.

Everyplace includes a shower/sink, a padded massage table, a clean sheet and 1-2 towels. Standard offering is for 1/2 hr including CBJ and 3 positions. No massage is offered! Some have more as noted below:

Scarlet - Av Colon #1715A Pte / Blue neon across from Holiday Inn
A rather tough looking place. 3 gordas huddled under a blanket. No heat?
100 pesos. I only looked.

Fascination - Zaragoza #1165 Ote near Colon
Quoted 170 pesos 1/2 hr. 2 gordas. I passed.

Shakira - 1508 Reforma Pte near Holiday Inn / neon lights near KanKun
Very basic MP. 150p 1/2 hr. 3 girls. I took Ana - a 36 yo woman - probably older. Not a looker, but very good service. She seemed very real, with a big smile and good attitude. CBJ + 2 positions + finish in mouth-covered. OK.

Milenio 2000 - Villagran #613 Pte near Givenchy.
Basic MP, but with 7 rooms and 10-12 chicas to choose from. When you enter, you see the girls sitting along a mirrored make-up table, sort of like back stage at a theater. 150p 1/2 hr, but up-selling to 250p. The girls were reasonably attractive with many to choose from. Took Andrea 28, who promised a slow, unrushed experience, but did not deliver on her promise. Upselling for taking off top and extra position. Paid 250 total. Still not terrible for what I received. CBJ + 3 positions. Finished CBJ w/ ball-licking. Just OK.

Status I - Padre Mier #836 Pte
Another basic MP. I was expecting more here, but didn't see any really attractive girls. 7 available. 200 pesos for 1/2 hr. It was afternoon and I didn't partake.

Faraonas I - Arteaga #2018 Pte, west of Holiday Inn.
Off the beaten track, near Prestige Club. 180p 1/2 hr. Stopped in twice, but each time all girls (2?) were busy. Never saw a chica. Good sign??

Duality - Arteaga #716 Pte
2 huge girls offered service for just 100p. This is the only estetica I saw that had barber chairs in the front room. Closes at 10pm. I passed.

Playboy3 (Massage,B ano y Mas) - Arteaga #1015 Pte around the corner from Faraonas II.
Several girls available (3?) for 130p 1/2 hr. Took Samatha 24. Not bad looking, but no personality, no smile. Didn't take her top off. I asked for CBJ only and she tried to up-sell to 200p. I refused and told her to get on top. She then agreed to finish via CBJCIM for the 130p. Bad attitude.

My best experiences were at these two.

Faraonas II - Juan Alverez near Arteaga/ only several blocks fr Matehuala.
Very basic MP, but with 2 young, attractive chicas. Another working. Took Fatima 20 as described in a previous post. Excellent service. Cute little girl. 160 pesos. Great time.

Euforia - Escobedo #721 near Carlos Salazar
Another basic MP but the Senora handling the door (Adriana-40?) and the two cute, very young-looking chicas were a ton of fun. Lots of playful joking around by all. Tried to take the Senora, but she wasn't on the menu. Had Dulce (Monseratt) 23 who provided excellent service. The room has a large mirror and this girl loves to watch herself sucking and fucking. Gives good "face" and eye contact. A naughty girl. CBJ + 3 positions. 200 pesos. My best experience.

Here are several others that were "different" and might be of interest:

Spa-cio - Carlos Salazar #924 / upstairs
This is a new place and supposedly a new concept. It is a semi-Sports bar with drinks and TVs along with a spa, with steam room and jacuzzi. New rooms looked nice. A cut above the other places. Only 180p to 280p, depending on the service (steam or jacuzzi or basic room)

Romanos - Tapia #862 corner Arista
This place advertises "fresitas 18-21". I saw 2 young attractive girls there, but they were both going to rooms with customers. Plus there were 2 other guys ahead of me. Price 400p 1/2 hr or 800p for some other (hour?) deal. I did not stay, but it would be worth a look even at the higher price.

Misses - Tapia #654 Pte near Rayon / 2nd floor of a house/ No sign
This place advertises "realmente fresitas y super-modelos. It is upstairs in a 4-plex house with only a tiny sign on the door. Would never know it from street level. They had 4 chicas. A blond model-type (near 30?) that I immediately wanted and 3 very young-looking, slender girls (teenagers?). I saw a room that had a king-size bed and full bath. I was quoted 300p for a massage and I quickly asked for the blond. BUT . . . I quickly realized it was 300p for massage only. Full service was 2000 pesos!! I started to leave, but the guy running the place tried to talk me into staying. Wanted to know how I found the place. He offered me a 1000p price (I think . . .) but I only had about 800 with me. Decided to leave, but I liked the eye candy. Nice merchandise. High price.

Enough for now. This should be a good start for anyone looking for an estetica experience. The upside is that you can lay down and actually talk and see the girls. Also towels and showers for clean-up. And it winds up being significantly cheaper and more comfortable than privado sex at a club. Downside? You need to look hard to find the gems. 70% of the girls are 2nd and 3rd tier. Some are extremely unattractive. Very hit and miss.
Luego - Prokofiev

El Cabron 007

03-22-07, 17:44

Hey Proko,

Do you know of any true massage places? Like a day spa where they offer a pure 30-45 minute massage?

Thanks

Mick . . .

There are several MPs with 24-hr service. Most close at 10pm.
Don't worry about walking , just take a cab. These 3 have web-sites

Signore is the cheapest. At nigtht expext 200-350 pesos for 30 minutes.
http://www.signore.com.mx/principal.html

Have not been here. Costs more. Only saw the website
http://www.passion.com.mx/

This place is expensive. Really more of a casa than a MP. 2000 pesos minimum. Very nice girls.
http://www.misses.com.mx/

Go back and check some of my previous posts by clicking on my username and you will find several longer reports - last month as well as Feb 2006.

Good Luck, -P

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 18:11

Buffet at the Infinito.. nope.
Still run of the mill.
Prestige is still top notch.

Carlos,

Has the quality of the buffet at the Obsession improved as of late? How about the lineups at each? Getting psyched up for my trip on Sunday.

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 18:13

Proko, I don't want to contradict you, but Mick sounds as if he wants a regular massage...

Mick . . .

There are several MPs with 24-hr service. Most close at 10pm.
Don't worry about walking , just take a cab. These 3 have web-sites

Signore is the cheapest. At nigtht expext 200-350 pesos for 30 minutes.
http://www.signore.com.mx/principal.html

Have not been here. Costs more. Only saw the website
http://www.passion.com.mx/

This place is expensive. Really more of a casa than a MP. 2000 pesos minimum. Very nice girls.
http://www.misses.com.mx/

Go back and check some of my previous posts by clicking on my username and you will find several longer reports - last month as well as Feb 2006.

Good Luck, -P

Prokofiev

03-22-07, 18:50

I doubt you can find a real massage after 10pm or 24/7 anywhere in the world much less Monterrey. You can always go to a place like Signore and tell them what you want and that you'll tip well. Tell the girls 500 pesos for 45 minutes -up front and someone will take you up on it. They wont do a great job, nor will they like it. Real massage is hard work plus the girls have no training. Laying on your back and getting drilled, not so hard. But it is an option.

There are 1-2 places (legit) in the Yellow pages, are day-time only. I have not been to one in Monterrey, but in other cities- 100's of times. Mostly at home.

Member #3453

03-22-07, 19:06

Off topic, sort of, but have you ever had a Thai foot massage? Put it on your list of things to do before you die.

I doubt you can find a real massage after 10pm or 24/7 anywhere in the world much less Monterrey. You can always go to a place like Signore and tell them what you want and that you'll tip well. Tell the girls 500 pesos for 45 minutes -up front and someone will take you up on it. They wont do a great job, nor will they like it. Real massage is hard work plus the girls have no training. Laying on your back and getting drilled, not so hard. But it is an option.

There are 1-2 places (legit) in the Yellow pages, are day-time only. I have not been to one in Monterrey, but in other cities- 100's of times. Mostly at home.

El Cabron 007

03-22-07, 20:13

I had a Jewish foot massage once in the college dorms hallway once. Does that count?

Off topic, sort of, but have you ever had a Thai foot massage? Put it on your list of things to do before you die.

El Cabron 007

03-22-07, 20:22

If I ever make it down there again, I'll make it a goal to find a day spa and get the royal treatment.

They have them all over the world as a matter of fact. Costs about $70 for a 40 minute professional massage. Then you can get all the other pampering like facials, manicure, pedicure and what have you. But once in a while when in MTY, I get so tired from all the clubbing and the girls that I could use some relaxing massage.

I'll find them. Where there is a well, there is a way.

I checked out passion's site http://www.passion.com.mx/ seems they offer 1 hours session for 1000 pesos and 1.5 hours for 1300 pesos. Fair prices and compares to the clubs' salidas (1000 for the girl and 350 bar fine). Karina and Melisa look like good candidates. Assuming they are still there.

Wasted

I doubt you can find a real massage after 10pm or 24/7 anywhere in the world much less Monterrey. You can always go to a place like Signore and tell them what you want and that you'll tip well. Tell the girls 500 pesos for 45 minutes -up front and someone will take you up on it. They wont do a great job, nor will they like it. Real massage is hard work plus the girls have no training. Laying on your back and getting drilled, not so hard. But it is an option.

There are 1-2 places (legit) in the Yellow pages, are day-time only. I have not been to one in Monterrey, but in other cities- 100's of times. Mostly at home.

Prokofiev

03-22-07, 21:06

I just noticed that Monterrey had NO reports in the "Distinction" area. Considering the tremendous number of posts here, I transferred 2 as a start - USB's Club report and an extended version of my MP reports. This way any newbie requests can be sent to these reports which will always be easy to find.

Cheers, -P

Psychman

03-22-07, 21:42

Guys,

This is exactly the type of info that I needed, and when I get there, I will share my info. If you ever need CR info, let me know.

Psychman

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 21:47

I don't get it...
You think you are getting a massage and sex out of the Passion girls?
It's just plain boring unpassionate sex with a dumb girl you have only met through a photo.
You are not used to that.
By the way, I believe the owner is one the memebers of my Yahoo group.

If I ever make it down there again, I'll make it a goal to find a day spa and get the royal treatment.

They have them all over the world as a matter of fact. Costs about $70 for a 40 minute professional massage. Then you can get all the other pampering like facials, manicure, pedicure and what have you. But once in a while when in MTY, I get so tired from all the clubbing and the girls that I could use some relaxing massage.

I'll find them. Where there is a well, there is a way.

I checked out passion's site http://www.passion.com.mx/ seems they offer 1 hours session for 1000 pesos and 1.5 hours for 1300 pesos. Fair prices and compares to the clubs' salidas (1000 for the girl and 350 bar fine). Karina and Melisa look like good candidates. Assuming they are still there.

Wasted

Member #3453

03-22-07, 21:47

Thanks for looking out for me Prok...no Shit!!! Thank God for an occassional saving grace... :-)

And, I have to admit, after all the commotion, I have finally started to explore the ISG website again. You all may or may not remember, but the ISG site was incapacitated for a very long time about a year or two ago, and you could literally never access anything. It was like it was "Lost in Cyber- Espacio." Anyway, after it came back, I returned, and at the obvious peril of some, I resumed my activities here. But, I had otherwise ignored exploring some of the site's improvements.

The "Reports of Distinction" solves the problem with respect to the cross talk that aggravates some. Perhaps the reports of distinction section could also be compartmentalized for specifics with each venue, like hotels, massage review, pimping girls, etc...That would leave this open to Chat, and also eliminate our having to repeat the post I just reiterated this morning. That post has been posted more than once here as a reply to many inquiries, just slightly altered to accomodate the specific inquiry here or there, and to answer PM's.

I will take it up with Jackson tonight...

WastedG, it only counts if it was a nude, female, Rabi... :-)

No offense to anyones religious sensitivities intended...

I just noticed that Monterrey had NO reports in the "Distinction" area. Considering the tremendous number of posts here, I transferred 2 as a start - USB's Club report and an extended version of my MP reports. This way any newbie requests can be sent to these reports which will always be easy to find.

Cheers, -P

Member #3453

03-22-07, 21:51

I thought that's what everybody wants...sheeeesh!

just plain boring unpassionate sex with a dumb girl

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 21:54

Not these kind of girls... cold as the US counterparts.

I thought that's what everybody wants...sheeeesh!

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 21:55

Proko, the adresses are wrong, the names are wrong... I just gave them a look.
Sorry USB... you know your way around. Your Spanish is still bordering the pits.

I just noticed that Monterrey had NO reports in the "Distinction" area. Considering the tremendous number of posts here, I transferred 2 as a start - USB's Club report and an extended version of my MP reports. This way any newbie requests can be sent to these reports which will always be easy to find.

Cheers, -P

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 22:05

USB, take note...

Matehuela = Matehuala
Excalibre = Excalibur

Casino's address is Madero Ave or Colon Ave. at Capt. Aguilar and Casino is above Harem' category. I know it doesn't look like it, but it is. Remeber, same owners, prices are higher there so they consider it better (just like Prestige and Obsession).

Bahamas (North of Obsession on Guerrero Ave. is lower than Casino and Harem (all under the same ownership).

More adresess to be corrected:
Prestige, Madero Ave y Veinte de Noviembre (If your getting in on taxi you enter on Madero Ave )
Amnesia, Simon Bolivar (every taxi driver knows the address).
Premier, 700 Block of Ruiz Cortines

Proko, the adresses are wrong, the names are wrong... I just gave them a look.
Sorry USB... you know your way around. Your Spanish is still bordering the pits.

Member #3453

03-22-07, 22:12

Thanks for the Corrections...But with respect to the addresses, you will have to update your map to make the street names readable. I will try to go into the original post to correct the data.

Carlos, As for your "opionions" concerning Harem compared to Casino...Well, I was just being kind. I know how much you like Casino...so. Except, I have to admit, I reconnected with Cindy #2 at Casino, so...whatever...they are comparable, IMHO. (But, from my warped Gringo perspective, Harem is better!). Bahamas...uh, I don't know...I would probably rate it along with Casino...mediocre. :-)

Carlos, can we post your maps in the reports of distinction area? That would solve a lot of problems, if of course, I could read them. If not there, then perhaps in the photos section.

USB, take note...

Matehuela = Matehuala
Excalibre = Excalibur

Casino's address is Madero Ave or Colon Ave. at Capt. Aguilar and Casino is above Harem' category. I know it doesn't look like it, but it is. Remeber, same owners, prices are higher there so they consider it better (just like Prestige and Obsession).

Bahamas (North of Obsession on Guerrero Ave. is lower than Casino and Harem (all under the same ownership).

More adresess to be corrected:
Prestige, Madero Ave y Veinte de Noviembre (If your getting in on taxi you enter on Madero Ave )
Amnesia, Simon Bolivar (every taxi driver knows the address).
Premier, 700 Block of Ruiz Cortines

MonterreyDude

03-22-07, 22:17

It is not my opinon, it's the owners. Am being objective here...
Just like I said, like Obsession and Prestige. Prestige is more expensive, therefore it is the better club.
It is their way of thinking and operating, not mine.
And my home away from home is the Harem, not the Casino... I only go to Casino when my Lambs are not at the clubs.

Thanks for the Corrections...But with respect to the addresses, you will have to update your map to make the street names readable. I will try to go into the original post to correct the data. With respect to the reports of distinction, Prok, do you have to make that change to the update, or do I have to...anybody know?

As for your "opionions" concerning Harem compared to Casino Carlos...Well, I was just being kind. I know how much you like Casino...so. Except, I have to admit, I reconnected with Cindy #2 at Casino, so...whatever...they are comparable, IMHO. (Harem is better!)

Carlos, can we post your maps in the reports of distinction area? That would solve a lot of problems, if of course, I could read them.

Member #3453

03-22-07, 22:22

Ok, certainly...I understand. I thought you preferred the Harem. But, as we have all said, things fluctuate.

And, with respect to the owners, what do they know? They can't even put on a decent buffet lately (well, maybe one place...Prestige).

It is not my opinon, it's the owners. Am being objective here...
Just like I said, like Obsession and Prestige. Prestige is more expensive, therefore it is the better club.
It is their way of thinking and operating, not mine.
And my home away from home is the Harem, not the Casino... I only go to Casino when my Lambs are not at the clubs.

MonterreyDude

03-23-07, 02:30

Am surprised at your question: "the owners, what do they know? They can't even put on a decent buffet lately (well, maybe one place...Prestige)."

One thing has to be made clear: Their business is not the restaurant business.
Their business is our money, to get as much money as possible from our wallets and then more.
They don't care if the girls make the daily salary, they care that the house gets money, lots of it.
You've grown soft and lowered your guard cause we are treated well at these clubs. But there are others and we have been witness of this, where customers are left penniless with a high tab and even then you can see them being escorted to an ATM to get more out of them
Everybody here reading these posts should always be on their guard.
We always talk in high regard of the clubs we go to, we amply recomend them, but if you are not watching, if you are not careful you can be totally ripped off in less than half an hour.

Let me cite a case in point: Wasted and me were ripped off by one of the waitresses at the Prestige. She was serving single drinks but charging double drinks. We noticed this, obvioulsy, when paying. There was no power in the world that would overturn the tab, not even being friends to the manager.
Above everything she is loyal to the house, not to us. Specially at the Prestige where one of the owners is always there checking business.
The most I was able to later on, was get the waitress fired after I talked to the administrator. And get a load of this: the waitres was not fired, she was only punished and moved to the Casino, where I still see her.
The house always wins... not us.
Never forget this.

Ok, certainly...I understand. I thought you preferred the Harem. But, as we have all said, things fluctuate.

And, with respect to the owners, what do they know? They can't even put on a decent buffet lately (well, maybe one place...Prestige).

Member #3453

03-23-07, 13:29

My comments were kind of made tongue in cheek, merely articulating my disappointment with the state of affairs at Obsession. But, if they ARE in the business of extracting money from us, they are in a losing proposition to date.

But, I have to humbly and embarrassingly admit, there was that one time when I visited Poisson for the first time in Monterrey about five years ago, prior to actually meeting Carlos, that I literally spent almost 5000 pesos. But, "fool me once shame on them, fool me twice..." Thank God it had only happened once.

They have a very difficult time actually making any money on us now. As you said, the primary reason we are tolerated at all is because the managers like us. But, thankfully, what makes it fun is that we are more than tolerated, we are actually quite welcome. With respect to Obsession, I do not see too many other patrons being offered, totally unsolicited, appetizers free of charge.

They know we are not going to spend any money in there per se, least wise not much in the big scheme of things, yet they are pretty nice to us anyway, and with seemingly NO expectations otherwise. We are an anomaly compared to the average visitor.

It's important to illustrate for the occassional traveler that they are mercenary otherwise, and especially to newbie Gringos that might not otherwise get it, such as was the case on my maiden visit to Poisson.

Your post IS right on point, and words to the wise...I also must point out that had it not been for Carlos' sage advice over the course of the last five years, given without further expectation from me other than friendship, I would have lost many more pesos in the process of learning the ropes...well, maybe a cookie or two here or there too, but a very small price to pay...Thanks CP.

Am surprised at your question: "the owners, what do they know? They can't even put on a decent buffet lately (well, maybe one place...Prestige)."

One thing has to be made clear: Their business is not the restaurant business.
Their business is our money, to get as much money as possible from our wallets and then more.
They don't care if the girls make the daily salary, they care that the house gets money, lots of it.
You've grown soft and lowered your guard cause we are treated well at these clubs. But there are others and we have been witness of this, where customers are left penniless with a high tab and even then you can see them being escorted to an ATM to get more out of them
Everybody here reading these posts should always be on their guard.
We always talk in high regard of the clubs we go to, we amply recomend them, but if you are not watching, if you are not careful you can be totally ripped off in less than half an hour.

Let me cite a case in point: Wasted and me were ripped off by one of the waitresses at the Prestige. She was serving single drinks but charging double drinks. We noticed this, obvioulsy, when paying. There was no power in the world that would overturn the tab, not even being friends to the manager.
Above everything she is loyal to the house, not to us. Specially at the Prestige where one of the owners is always there checking business.
The most I was able to later on, was get the waitress fired after I talked to the administrator. And get a load of this: the waitres was not fired, she was only punished and moved to the Casino, where I still see her.
The house always wins... not us.
Never forget this.

Member #3453

03-23-07, 14:00

The corrections on the report that Prok posted in the "Distinction" Category have been updated with Carlos' corrections. Thanks for that as well. And, Prok, your posting in the "Distinction" Category with respect to "other" activities is excellent. Thanks.

Carlos, It might be good to post some information in the "reports of distinction" category relative to the locations of las pulgas too. I only remember the one on Reforma, between Pino Suarez and Juarez. Does it have a specific name? Would you agree that it's about 4 blocks long and approximately 3 or 4 isles wide? And, there are several others around the city, but I forget what they are called, and their exact locations.

MonterreyDude

03-23-07, 18:27

If you hadn't learned the ways of Monterrey, I don't think you would have brought any cookies at all.

Remember on you last trip, whe we left the Obsession after lunch, Wasted, RTW, you and me? The Americans that were coming out of the jacuzzi with Yamilith and Lady???
Those guys were ripped off way above the 1,000 dll figure... each.
And that was in the afternoon shift... imagine in the night shift where no mercy is shown to the customer???

And when Wasted and Mr L started to come down here, the top notch, #1 divas of the Prestige impossed a "no one sits with the gringo except us" rule and the house allowed that imposition on the regular girls cause they thought the "dumb" gringo would fall for them.
In a sense and at the begining, Wasted and L did till I pointed out and understood the modus operandi of them, that they would be at several tables at the same time (plain rotation up and down the floor), they would order drinks, carry them away and come back empty handed just to order another drink and so on... all the tricks in the book.
When we openly contested them, a couple of them became angry (Aleli, now gone, never talked to me directly even when sitting with Wasted for hours across from me; Adriana up to a couple of months either; Eli, Fernanda are friends now but were they pissed off when they were squeezed out in favor of others; and Alejandra, did she HATE me... and others too, whose names I do not remember).
This would have made us an enemy of the house, really and truely, cause we customers are there to leave money, lots of money, not make friends with the girls.

PS: Anyone reading this, this thing about "the house never loses" goes way into the fact that the girls are not allowed to see customers in off hours to arrange monetary business with them. Yes I know that the girls are free to do what ever they want outside the club premises, but in real time that is not true (the 5 star clubs and the mayority of the moderate priced and some say even the Infinito is starting to do it) and it is enforced with fines (1000 pesos) or the girl getting kicked off the club.

My comments were kind of made tongue in cheek, merely articulating my disappointment with the state of affairs at Obsession. But, if they ARE in the business of extracting money from us, they are in a losing proposition to date.

But, I have to humbly and embarrassingly admit, there was that one time when I visited Poisson for the first time in Monterrey about five years ago, prior to actually meeting Carlos, that I literally spent almost 5000 pesos. But, "fool me once shame on them, fool me twice..." Thank God it had only happened once.

They have a very difficult time actually making any money on us now. As you said, the primary reason we are tolerated at all is because the managers like us. But, thankfully, what makes it fun is that we are more than tolerated, we are actually quite welcome. With respect to Obsession, I do not see too many other patrons being offered, totally unsolicited, appetizers free of charge.

They know we are not going to spend any money in there per se, least wise not much in the big scheme of things, yet they are pretty nice to us anyway, and with seemingly NO expectations otherwise. We are an anomaly compared to the average visitor.

It's important to illustrate for the occassional traveler that they are mercenary otherwise, and especially to newbie Gringos that might not otherwise get it, such as was the case on my maiden visit to Poisson.

Your post IS right on point, and words to the wise...I also must point out that had it not been for Carlos' sage advice over the course of the last five years, given without further expectation from me other than friendship, I would have lost many more pesos in the process of learning the ropes...well, maybe a cookie or two here or there too, but a very small price to pay...Thanks CP.

Member #3453

03-23-07, 20:08

Well, you illustrate another very good reason for some of the cryptic references that are so commonly found here.

Anyone who regularly engages in the salidas, especially where the girls are meeting us during off hours, should be aware of the potential "complications," and the potential havoc that it can cause on our best laid plans, especially best laid plans that we regularly rely on when we revisit Monterrey frequently. Frankly, even to refer to the girls by initial is a risky thing to do, and it could possibly come back to haunt us, not likely, but possible. That is why I usually refer to the girls using synonyms rather than initials.

I remember that towards the end of our "relationship," Angry Girl was reprimanded by her boss with respect to staying out with me too long. She was compelled by her boss to tell me that if I wanted to stay more than the standard 1.5-2 hours, I would be required to pay the double salida, 700 pesos for 3-4 hours, 1100 pesos for 5-7 hours, etc...

I initially suspected that she was making it up to earn a portion of the salida fee, but it has since come to my attention, correct me if I'm wrong Carlos, that the house gets the entire amount of the salida fee, 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. The girl gets nothing of the salida fee.

Likewise, the salida fee is charged to the girl if she wants time off from the job after she has clocked in. It applies whether she wants time off from the bar to make money on some hotel action, whether she has to go the dentist, doctor, shopping, her kids, whatever the reason, they are charged the salida fee for being absent from work. It's my understanding that it's not like they're earning dinero in the privados where they earn a portion of the dance fee, 25 pesos for a 50 peso song.

So, Angry Girl was apparently being honest with me, and the boss had scolded her for being out past her curfew, something that apparently was becoming too much the norm. There were times that she would hang around for 4-6 hours on a 350 pesos salida. She was definitely starting to get some crap over it.

So far, the bosses have been relatively liberal with me, usually allowing me to stay out with them for 2-3 hours on a 350 pesos fee, but I suspect it's mostly due to a coma inducing sugar high from the sweet chocolate chips and the high glucose levels in the dough from las galletas :-)

But, seriously, most of these managers are pretty damned tough with respect to "the rules," undoubtedly jeapardizing their jobs were they to depart too wildly from what the owners dictate. For example, I have bar fined countless girls from these clubs, and even when the managers know me as well as they do, they always require that I provide identification when taking one of their girls out, even if it's a girl that I bar fine regularly. I assume it's a procedure that's been dictated to them by their owners. They do not typically allow me to take them out without completing all the paperwork. Adherence to the procedures discourages skimming, and it protects their valuable comodity, their lineup.

Anyone reading this, this thing about "the house never loses" goes way into the fact that the girls are not allowed to see customers in off hours to arrange monetary business with them. Yes I know that the girls are free to do what ever they want outside the club premises, but in real time that is not true (the 5 star clubs and the mayority of the moderate priced and some say even the Infinito is starting to do it) and it is enforced with fines (1000 pesos) or the girl getting kicked off the club.

MonterreyDude

03-23-07, 20:23

USB says: the house gets the entire amount of the salida fee, 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. The girl gets nothing of the salida fee.
Carlos says: yes, the house keeps all the salida fee.

USB says: the salida fee is charged to the girl if she wants time off from the job after she has clocked in. It applies whether she wants time off from the bar to make money on some hotel action, whether she has to go the dentist, doctor, shopping, her kids, whatever the reason, they are charged the salida fee for being absent from work.
Carlos: Yes, but only sometimes... if business is good and the club is low on girls, they charge them. If the full manifest is present, they don't care and let them go, but sometimes the next day the girls have to work full quota with no salary.

Well, you illustrate another very good reason for some of the cryptic references that are so commonly found here.

Anyone who regularly engages in the salidas, especially where the girls are meeting us during off hours, should be aware of the potential "complications," and the potential havoc that it can cause on our best laid plans, especially best laid plans that we regularly rely on when we revisit Monterrey frequently. Frankly, even to refer to the girls by initial is a risky thing to do, and it could possibly come back to haunt us, not likely, but possible. That is why I usually refer to the girls using synonyms rather than initials.

I remember that towards the end of our "relationship," Angry Girl was reprimanded by her boss with respect to staying out with me too long. She was compelled by her boss to tell me that if I wanted to stay more than the standard 1.5-2 hours, I would be required to pay the double salida, 700 pesos for 3-4 hours, 1100 pesos for 5-7 hours, etc...

I initially suspected that she was making it up to earn a portion of the salida fee, but it has since come to my attention, correct me if I'm wrong Carlos, that the house gets the entire amount of the salida fee, 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. The girl gets nothing of the salida fee.

Likewise, the salida fee is charged to the girl if she wants time off from the job after she has clocked in. It applies whether she wants time off from the bar to make money on some hotel action, whether she has to go the dentist, doctor, shopping, her kids, whatever the reason, they are charged the salida fee for being absent from work. It's my understanding that it's not like they're earning dinero in the privados where they earn a portion of the dance fee, 25 pesos for a 50 peso song.

So, Angry Girl was apparently being honest with me, and the boss had scolded her for being out past her curfew, something that apparently was becoming too much the norm. There were times that she would hang around for 4-6 hours on a 350 pesos salida. She was definitely starting to get some crap over it.

So far, the bosses have been relatively liberal with me, usually allowing me to stay out with them for 2-3 hours on a 350 pesos fee, but I suspect it's mostly due to a coma inducing sugar high from the sweet chocolate chips and the high glucose levels in the dough from las galletas :-)

But, seriously, most of these managers are pretty damned tough with respect to "the rules," undoubtedly jeapardizing their jobs were they to depart too wildly from what the owners dictate. For example, I have bar fined countless girls from these clubs, and even when the managers know me as well as they do, they always require that I provide identification when taking one of their girls out, even if it's a girl that I bar fine regularly. I assume it's a procedure that's been dictated to them by their owners. They do not typically allow me to take them out without completing all the paperwork.

Member #3453

03-23-07, 20:56

Interestingly enough, one of the girls in El Infinito told me that her quota in the privados is (20) dances, and that she keeps half the fee, 25 pesos for a 4 minute dance.

Perhaps you know the answers to some questions Carlos, questions that have always nagged me. I realize things probably differ between clubs, but just general answers are fine.

Does the quota I was told, (20) dances, sound correct?

Does she always get her cut of the dance fee, even if she does not achieve the assigned quota?

If so, and she averages (4) dances per hour, such as on weekends, then she makes a damned good wage compared to normal Mexican wage standards. I suspect many of those girls average a lot more than four dances per hour on weekends.

In an eight hour shift, if her average remains constant, and it seemingly does especially on weekends, the (20) dance "Quota Girl" is earning a good wage, plus additional money for special favors in the privados, not to mention her salary. Something smells very fishy in Monterrey.

The girls are always crying poor. They are always worried because they are not making quota. But, many of them are in the privados a lot. I fail to see how they would not normally make quota, especially in a bar as populated at El Infinito. Plus, most of the girls remain in the privados for multiple dances with the same dude, with little or no time between new clients. Twenty dances seems like a cake walk.

If she achieves quota, what is the amount of her nightly salary, and does it directly accrue in addition to her earnings in the privados, 25 pesos per song?

All of this is profoundly relevant when calculating why a girl does or does not agree to go on salida, nothwithstanding all the other obvious reasons. A thorough understanding of the system is valuable in planning which days of the week to visit Monterrey, when to ask them to meet you after work, what you should expect to pay them on salida, what motivates the girl so you do not pay too much, but so you will know what to pay in order to pay just enough for future motivational effect, etc...

I also find it very surprising that most of the girls all quote the same girl fee, like they are in the union or something. You would think that the girl fees would be all over the board if the girl fees are left up to the discretion of the individual girls.

I've been able to get girls to go with me for 500 pesos on occassion, but the norm quoted is 1000-1200 pesos. The original quotation out of the box to newbies, or from girls that don't know me, is always 1000-1200 pesos, usually 1000 pesos. It seems like the actual fee you end up paying, once you become known, seems to be around 500-700 pesos, if they like you. But, there are just as many girls that only agree to go if you caugh-up the one thousand pesos.

USB says: the house gets the entire amount of the salida fee, 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. The girl gets nothing of the salida fee.
Carlos says: yes, the house keeps all the salida fee.

USB says: the salida fee is charged to the girl if she wants time off from the job after she has clocked in. It applies whether she wants time off from the bar to make money on some hotel action, whether she has to go the dentist, doctor, shopping, her kids, whatever the reason, they are charged the salida fee for being absent from work.
Carlos: Yes, but only sometimes... if business is good and the club is low on girls, they charge them. If the full manifest is present, they don't care and let them go, but sometimes the next day the girls have to work full quota with no salary.

Member #3453

03-26-07, 14:58

There may be some changes for all those who might have previously used Primera Plus, the bus line, out of Neuvo Laredo bound for Monterrey. When I went down there last night to catch a bus, the Primara Plus bus station was closed. I arrived around 5:30pm Mexico time, and I was surprised it was closed.

Maybe it was just because it was Sunday evening, but I thought I had gone there in the past on Sunday and found it open at that hour. I don't know if that means it's completely closed now in Nuevo Laredo, or that it was just closed on Sunday night. I did notice that they no longer seem to have anyone working the corner after you cross Bridge #1 in Nuevo Laredo. They haven't had anyone there now for a couple of months.

When I noticed the Primara Plus station was closed, I went directly over to the Central De Autobusses in Nuevo Laredo, a couple of blocks away...no big deal. But, Primera Plus was a nice bus line, good prices, and a nice freshly packed lunch and drink would be included with the cost of the fare. The busses were always new, clean, etc...and the bus station was emaculate. In addition, I always liked the fact that their busses were virtually empty, probably the cause of their eventual demise no doubt.

But, if anyone notices that they are still open, perhaps with just reduced hours, or closed on Sunday, whatever, then please advise.

MonterreyDude

03-26-07, 17:47

USB... the privado quota at the Infinito is 30, not 20 privados.

Interestingly enough, one of the girls in El Infinito told me that her quota in the privados is (20) dances, and that she keeps half the fee, 25 pesos for a 4 minute dance.

Perhaps you know the answers to some questions Carlos, questions that have always nagged me. I realize things probably differ between clubs, but just general answers are fine.

Does the quota I was told, (20) dances, sound correct?

Does she always get her cut of the dance fee, even if she does not achieve the assigned quota?

If so, and she averages (4) dances per hour, such as on weekends, then she makes a damned good wage compared to normal Mexican wage standards. I suspect many of those girls average a lot more than four dances per hour on weekends.

In an eight hour shift, if her average remains constant, and it seemingly does especially on weekends, the (20) dance "Quota Girl" is earning a good wage, plus additional money for special favors in the privados, not to mention her salary. Something smells very fishy in Monterrey.

The girls are always crying poor. They are always worried because they are not making quota. But, many of them are in the privados a lot. I fail to see how they would not normally make quota, especially in a bar as populated at El Infinito. Plus, most of the girls remain in the privados for multiple dances with the same dude, with little or no time between new clients. Twenty dances seems like a cake walk.

If she achieves quota, what is the amount of her nightly salary, and does it directly accrue in addition to her earnings in the privados, 25 pesos per song?

All of this is profoundly relevant when calculating why a girl does or does not agree to go on salida, nothwithstanding all the other obvious reasons. A thorough understanding of the system is valuable in planning which days of the week to visit Monterrey, when to ask them to meet you after work, what you should expect to pay them on salida, what motivates the girl so you do not pay too much, but so you will know what to pay in order to pay just enough for future motivational effect, etc...

I also find it very surprising that most of the girls all quote the same girl fee, like they are in the union or something. You would think that the girl fees would be all over the board if the girl fees are left up to the discretion of the individual girls.

I've been able to get girls to go with me for 500 pesos on occassion, but the norm quoted is 1000-1200 pesos. The original quotation out of the box to newbies, or from girls that don't know me, is always 1000-1200 pesos, usually 1000 pesos. It seems like the actual fee you end up paying, once you become known, seems to be around 500-700 pesos, if they like you. But, there are just as many girls that only agree to go if you caugh-up the one thousand pesos.

Round the World

03-28-07, 14:24

Hey Mill
I have to say, I enjoyed your latest post here. No offense mi amigo, Uno, but perhaps the sincerest form of flattery is satire.

I also read your recent Morelia summary which was an excellent overview, but I found it ironic that you included the following:

"After a few bad experiences, I limited myself to just a group of my favorites and am just friends with most of them...friends with benefits, of course I don't usually report on my personal exploits with my "friends" because this is not attainable to most people who just come to town for 2 or 3 days."

Hmmm, sounds like the same reasoning batted back and forth around here...

RtW
PS let's try to lay off personal attacks and accusations, but satire is fine

Member #3453

03-28-07, 14:36

RTW,

Hola, como estas mi amigo...Regreso aqui Abril 21 para cinco dias si tu eres dispondible.

To the masses on ISG:

Hey, all will think me insincere, but I would actually like reading a trip report from MJ about his exploits....for real...no tongue in cheek, etc...I know he has his regulars, and I also know he feels a responsibility to them, just as we do with our regulars. I believe that deep down he understands what we are saying about protecting the " not so innocent" from all the other flat nosed types that are out there.

Anyway, MJ, in all sincerity, maybe we should merge the Morelia and Monterrey sections, and you can start to contribute your brand of report. Just use the synonyms like we do. You sent me some details of your exploits in your PM to me. You didn't have to elaborate there in our PM. You were able to keep everything relatively private with specific details, but that was the most interesting part of your otherwise caustic PM to me.

I would not assume you are being disengenuous, or that you are narccistic(sp) for reporting what happens to you. Isn't that what we want on the boards? Don't we want trip reports that reflect our take on things. I don't know, but I think you could possible reconsider. You have the ability. Go for it!! I am amused!! You obviously have the talent.

This rift can be totally and completely mended if you will only come over to the fold. And, why not...you have experiences, you have knowledge, we enjoy reading your stuff, why not...what are you fighting it for. What more is there to do my friend...

Hey Mill
I have to say, I enjoyed your latest post here. No offense mi amigo, Uno, but perhaps the sincerest form of flattery is satire.

I also read your recent Morelia summary which was an excellent overview, but I found it ironic that you included the following:

"After a few bad experiences, I limited myself to just a group of my favorites and am just friends with most of them...friends with benefits, of course I don't usually report on my personal exploits with my "friends" because this is not attainable to most people who just come to town for 2 or 3 days."

Hmmm, sounds like the same reasoning batted back and forth around here...

RtW
PS let's try to lay off personal attacks and accusations, but satire is fine

Member #3453

03-29-07, 20:45

I must admit, I am feeling huge pangs of guilt at not having posted anything of relative "value" on the board as of late. So, as a public service, I decided to make a safari into the unknown...deep, deep, into the dark recesses of the door girl scene on Reforma.

Now...all of you door girl officianados are probably already aware of the "delights" available on the West side of Pino Suarez, right? And, of course, there is the gauntlet of door girls as you walk immediately into the flea markets to the East of Pino Suarez.

But, how many of you have actually ventured into uncharted waters? Into the depths of Reforma? Hummm?

I was in the flea markets today, and noticed that located almost in the center of the flea markets, there are two hotels located side by side where your wildest "door girl" fantasies can be fulfilled.

The flea markets start around Pino Suarez and extend to the East of Pino Suarez, between Madero and Colon, for several blocks, ending at Juarez Street. They are approximately three to four narrow alley widths wide.

The hotels I refer to are on the North end of this range of alleys, approximately near 419 Pte. Reforma Street. I think that places them relatively close to being just East of Cuauthemoc Street on Reforma. Carlos...correct me with more specifics if I am wrong.

This particular door girl venue, although relatively small, has some potential for the truly "adventurous." I was able to conduct an off camera interview of at least one of the girls, the youngest and most appealing of the two, a term I use with huge amount of benevolent latitude. The youngest one actually was doable...barely, but in a pinch, si. The other one was probably at least 45 years old, and looked like a scrub woman.

Anyway, rates are 200 pesos for 15 minutes. She would simply take you upstairs to one of the rooms where you would undoubtedly be extorted for removals of a top, correct time, etc...all the standard "motice operandi."

Unfortunately, I was running short on time...DAMN IT!!! and I couldn't really sample anything in order to report the quality of the potential session you might encouter. I will leave that work to the experts. The name of the hotel where they were all (I mean both) standing is Hotel Velencia.

Above all, have fun!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

MonterreyDude

03-30-07, 02:49

I prefer the girls standing outside the hotel on Reforma, set between Pino Suarez and Cuahutemoc.
I said "prefer" but I don't touch them...
And yes USB, you got the correct address.......

I must admit, I am feeling huge pangs of guilt at not having posted anything of relative "value" on the board as of late. So, as a public service, I decided to make a safari into the unknown...deep, deep, into the dark recesses of the door girl scene on Reforma.

Now...all of you door girl officianados are probably already aware of the "delights" available on the West side of Pino Suarez, right? And, of course, there is the gauntlet of door girls as you walk immediately into the flea markets to the East of Pino Suarez.

But, how many of you have actually ventured into uncharted waters? Into the depths of Reforma? Hummm?

I was in the flea markets today, and noticed that located almost in the center of the flea markets, there are two hotels located side by side where your wildest "door girl" fantasies can be fulfilled.

The flea markets start around Pino Suarez and extend to the East of Pino Suarez, between Madero and Colon, for several blocks, ending at Juarez Street. They are approximately three to four narrow alley widths wide.

The hotels I refer to are on the North end of this range of alleys, approximately near 419 Pte. Reforma Street. I think that places them relatively close to being just East of Cuauthemoc Street on Reforma. Carlos...correct me with more specifics if I am wrong.

This particular door girl venue, although relatively small, has some potential for the truly "adventurous." I was able to conduct an off camera interview of at least one of the girls, the youngest and most appealing of the two, a term I use with huge amount of benevolent latitude. The youngest one actually was doable...barely, but in a pinch, si. The other one was probably at least 45 years old, and looked like a scrub woman.

Anyway, rates are 200 pesos for 15 minutes. She would simply take you upstairs to one of the rooms where you would undoubtedly be extorted for removals of a top, correct time, etc...all the standard "motice operandi."

Unfortunately, I was running short on time...DAMN IT!!! and I couldn't really sample anything in order to report the quality of the potential session you might encouter. I will leave that work to the experts. The name of the hotel where they were all (I mean both) standing is Hotel Velencia.

Above all, have fun!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Prtyr2

03-30-07, 15:51

I have been reading this forum for a while and gotten some great info, so thanks! I went to eat at El Gaucho last night and it was very good as well as having huge portions! I am staying at a holiday inn in centro on garibaldi.

I have plucked some adresses from USB's report of distinction but did not see the address for infinito? That seems to be a favorite so I figure I will start off there.

Also can I get an overview of prices? How much for just private dances? How much "groping" takes place in said privados? How much are drinks when you buy drinks for the girls? I had been in places in Mexico City where it cost way less money to get a dance than it did to buy the girl the rip off drinks etc.

One of my clients wanted to go to Premiere last night but we just sat around talking at Gaucho after our dinner meeting. I was supposed to fly out today but will stay till sunday instead.

If any ISG members are in town and want to grab a few beers etc, drop me a PM and I'd be glad to buy a few rounds! Once again thanks for all the info. . . ..even if it can be hard to decypher the code at times;-)

MonterreyDude

03-30-07, 16:49

Prtyr
Isn't El Gaucho sensational?
Infinito is on Villagran St in the middle of the Carlos Salazar and Treviño streets in the downtown area.
That will be North of your hotel, more or less 5 minute taxi drive away from you.
I thought USB had added the address... I'll chastise him later.
Have in mind that the Infinito is a working class club so don't expect luxuries at all... expect a Spartan atmosphere, one that you have to see to believe.
Prices: privados go for 50 pesos in an "all you can grope" 4 minute session.
Drinks: 50 pesos. But contrary to regular clubs, at the Infinito, Matehuala and Givenchy, the main thing here are privados and beer, not idle chat with the girls. The girls might sit with you, but their 30 privado quota will not allow them much time for talking.
Main thing at the Infinito are privados where the action takes place.
150 pesos will give you oral sex and 200-300 pesos F/S (all condomed). Add again here 50 pesos per each 4 minutes.
Am glad you didn't go to the Premiere, a 5 star club that would have been a rippoff... if you don't know the workings of that place the tab would have gone way up into the 500-600 dlls per person and that would have been the low range, just to get a woody.

I have been reading this forum for a while and gotten some great info, so thanks! I went to eat at El Gaucho last night and it was very good as well as having huge portions! I am staying at a holiday inn in centro on garibaldi.

I have plucked some adresses from USB's report of distinction but did not see the address for infinito? That seems to be a favorite so I figure I will start off there.

Also can I get an overview of prices? How much for just private dances? How much "groping" takes place in said privados? How much are drinks when you buy drinks for the girls? I had been in places in Mexico City where it cost way less money to get a dance than it did to buy the girl the rip off drinks etc.

One of my clients wanted to go to Premiere last night but we just sat around talking at Gaucho after our dinner meeting. I was supposed to fly out today but will stay till sunday instead.

If any ISG members are in town and want to grab a few beers etc, drop me a PM and I'd be glad to buy a few rounds! Once again thanks for all the info. . . ..even if it can be hard to decypher the code at times;-)

Prtyr2

03-30-07, 19:31

Yes El Gaucho is excellent. I at first ordered the half order of entrana that was supposed to be 12 onces. I then change the order to a full order so my clients could also try entrana in addition there churrasco orders. My half of the entrana order was way more than 12 ounces. It was tough to finish it all!
The entire bill for 5 of us with maybe 20 beers and cocktails was $135! Great deal. I may go back saturday night. If you are in the mood for a steak carlos, PM me and I'd be glad to buy you dinner as a gracias for all the great info you post here!

I will be fine in infinito. I like working class places and avoid the high end gold club type places like the plague. My clients made faces when I mentioned infinito last night. . . .lol. . .well the monterrey guys did, the mexico city guys wanted to try a lower end club instead of premiere. Instead we did neither.

I will take a tour later tonight and see what shakes. I have to take a bus back to texas as I was not able to change my flight. I am sort of an adventurer and had made the trip from MTY to Nuevo Laredo via taxi years ago. So I will be having an adventure in monterrey. I may even hit far west rodeo as I like seeing live music etc.

Prtyr
Isn't El Gaucho sensational?
Infinito is on Villagran St in the middle of the Carlos Salazar and Treviño streets in the downtown area.
That will be North of your hotel, more or less 5 minute taxi drive away from you.
I thought USB had added the address... I'll chastise him later.
Have in mind that the Infinito is a working class club so don't expect luxuries at all... expect a Spartan atmosphere, one that you have to see to believe.
Prices: privados go for 50 pesos in an "all you can grope" 4 minute session.
Drinks: 50 pesos. But contrary to regular clubs, at the Infinito, Matehuala and Givenchy, the main thing here are privados and beer, not idle chat with the girls. The girls might sit with you, but their 30 privado quota will not allow them much time for talking.
Main thing at the Infinito are privados where the action takes place.
150 pesos will give you oral sex and 200-300 pesos F/S (all condomed). Add again here 50 pesos per each 4 minutes.
Am glad you didn't go to the Premiere, a 5 star club that would have been a rippoff... if you don't know the workings of that place the tab would have gone way up into the 500-600 dlls per person and that would have been the low range, just to get a woody.

Regio Guero

03-31-07, 03:26

Carlos, Please let me know where El Gaucho is.

Prtyr2, Don't think Far West has much live music but I could be wrong.

USB, Keep up the great reports.

Admin

03-31-07, 06:15

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

MonterreyDude

03-31-07, 07:21

PM me for El Gaucho's address.
Be glad to send it to you.

Carlos, Please let me know where El Gaucho is.

Prtyr2, Don't think Far West has much live music but I could be wrong.

USB, Keep up the great reports.

Prtyr2

03-31-07, 23:51

Far west has live music. Tonight they have 3-4 tejano groups playing. I may go there for a few beers etc.

I had the pleasure of meeting our distinguished monterrey native member carlos yesterday. We live in a small world as after I sent carlos a pm describing myself so when we meet up he would recognize me. . . . .he called my hotel a bit later and asked if I was at a bank in the morning. Totally freaked me out as I indeed did go to a bank with one of my clients. Turns out carlos was at the same bank and saw me there, not knowing who I was. Then when he read my description, he figured it was me.

Carlos came by my hotel to pick me up, and even called a few times to update me as he was running late. I had no plans for the afternoon so whenever he arrived would be fine. He was actually getting hungry and I had eaten a large breakfast so he wanted to do a lunch buffet at Prestige. Carlos had a nice lunch and I just had a few beers. Beers were 2 for 1 so it was a very good deal.

A few of carlos's amigas joined us to chat from time to time, and one girl wants me to call her today to take her to infinito and far west. Apparently she had tried to go to infinito and they would not let her in. She gave me her number, but I am not sure I am going to call. I am really taking it easy for the weekend as I am exhausted.

Kickbacks? There have been a few posts in this thread about carlos getting kickbacks from the clubs etc. I seriously doubt that! First of all if someone wanted to earn a few bucks getting kickbacks, he would take "unsuspecting gringos" to the more expensive clubs as they are already over charging and can afford to pay taxis and guides that bring clients.

Our entire bill for a few hours at Prestige was less than $100. Even if the club paid 20% which I would really doubt. I don't see carlos as going through all the trouble of picking me up, driving me around, giving me a tour and showing me the ropes. . . .to make 20 bucks. Even if he did. . . who cares. . .as I saved money on taxis and had a great company for my first night out in Monterrey.

Carlos just appears to enjoy the clubs and hanging with the girls etc. He seemed to genuinely enjoy his role as tour guide and welcome wagon etc. He spoke of some good times he has had with other ISG members and it appears he likes to make new friends.

I live in santo domingo and have showed more than a few ISG members and others I have met online, around the city. I certainly don't need kickbacks or payment, and can relate to how carlos enjoys shoing people around. It is very cool to see some people's reactions when they become the "kid in the candy store" etc. I think in many ways carlos epitomizes what ISG is all about. I have shown ISG members around my "turf" and then if I decide to explore a new place and ISG member returns the favor. Good karma all around.

After prestige we went to Infinito. WOW. Not even remotely how I pictured it. It was way more over the top and hardcore. Girls just standing on stage and guys grabbing them for privados. Pretty interesting set up, but not normally my cup of tea. I enjoy just hanging out and flirting, practicing spanish and people watching. If there is some chemistry with one of the girls I may partake but that is a pretty rare occurence.

After reading USB's many posts, I never would have figured infinito would be his favorite place. He seems to really dig the GFE experience or fantasy and I would think that harder to come by at infinito than other places. Girls don't really sit with clients etc, just stand on stage and wait for a trip to privados.

We then walked to Givenchy and it seemed pretty cool. More laid back but less women and less attractive women on average than infinito. After a beer at givenchy carlos had to head out as he had prior plans, but he insisted on driving me to El Harem. I owe carlos a big thanks for being such a gracious host and showing me around.

I stayed for a few beers at Harem than cabbed back to givenchy and infinito area. I even ventured into tangalay. Not many attractive women there, but interesting people watching none the less. I finall jumped in a cab to take me to my hotel but the driver never heard of it. I had to aks 4 drivers before finding one that knew it. Even when I said what street it was on, the other 3 were clueless. I should have remembered to tell them the hotel used to be called Del Rio.

I am heading out to eat now. Not sure if I will go to El gaucho or Hooters. . .lol. . . I am actually in the mood for wings, but the steak at gaucho was so good I am sort of torn. I will then most likely make a stop at the clubs and if I am up for it head to far west. I need to leave relatively early in the am so it will be a fairly mellow night.

Once again I want to thank carlos, USB, wasted and all the other posters for the info and advice. It certainly made my trip to monterrey more enjoyable!

El Cabron 007

04-01-07, 04:34

Fantstic post Prtyr. It took me back to when I first visited MTY. My same reaction to the meat, both girls and steak. It was a once-in-a-lifetime first time experience. Such sweet memories.

Wasted

Far west has live music. Tonight they have 3-4 tejano groups playing. I may go there for a few beers etc.

I had the pleasure of meeting our distinguished monterrey native member carlos yesterday. We live in a small world as after I sent carlos a pm describing myself so when we meet up he would recognize me. . . . .he called my hotel a bit later and asked if I was at a bank in the morning. Totally freaked me out as I indeed did go to a bank with one of my clients. Turns out carlos was at the same bank and saw me there, not knowing who I was. Then when he read my description, he figured it was me.

I am heading out to eat now. Not sure if I will go to El gaucho or Hooters. . .lol. . . I am actually in the mood for wings, but the steak at gaucho was so good I am sort of torn. I will then most likely make a stop at the clubs and if I am up for it head to far west. I need to leave relatively early in the am so it will be a fairly mellow night.

Once again I want to thank carlos, USB, wasted and all the other posters for the info and advice. It certainly made my trip to monterrey more enjoyable!

Member #3453

04-01-07, 13:13

Great Report Prtyr2,

With respect to my preference for El Infinito, there are several reasons that I like the environment at El Infinito over some of the medium level clubs. Actually, it isn't really a matter of preference with me, but more a matter of what particular activity I desire for the evening.

I like that you can interview greater numbers of girls in the privados at the lower end clubs, and cut directly to the chase in determining their level of debauchery right off the bat without spending much money on them in drinks or time.

I still have a lot of conversation with them in the privados, sometimes probably spending even more money than I would spend on drinks if I find them to be of interest to me. But, it seems that I am also able to gauge their performance level rapidly, and more accurately than I would otherwise be able to do just buying them drinks, and for a relatively cheap price in the privados, only 50 pesos at El Infinito.

Frankly, I have always found that the noise levels are so high in most of the clubs with the blasting music, that interviewing them over drinks is usually more difficult than if I take them into the privados, where the noise levels are less and I can actually hear them reply.

The cost to bar fine them from the medium level clubs like Harem can get pretty expensive, 700 pesos for the bar fine, plus the girl fee, which is generally 1000-1200 pesos depending on the girl. Conversely, if you compare El Infinito, Matehuala, and El Cielo, you can get them to bar fine for the salida amount, 350 pesos, plus the girl fee, which is generally between about 700-1000 pesos.

Plus, in addition to the hunt being more efficient within the confines of El Infinito, the quality of El Infinito, generally, is on par with the medium level clubs, sometimes superior, IMHO, with the girls seemingly being just a little younger, and thinner.

Lately, a chain of events with one particular girl has changed my perspective a little. I used to look for as many of them to bar fine as possible, taking them from El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuala, etc...each day or every other day of the week, primarily making my selections from those clubs because the price of salidas is quite a bit less than to bar fine them from clubs like Harem, Pasarelas, Bahamas, TVO, or Casino. But, I am apparently becoming lazy and have settled on one particular girl that I like to be around. So, most of my time lately on salida has been spent with her.

I have decided lately that I enjoy endulging in the long-time bar fine with this steady girl, and then the rest of the time, when my girl is working or busy, I enjoy just spending time in the medium level clubs drinking with the girls, socializing with my amigos, continuing the hunt with an eye to the future, setting some new girls up for potential future salidas, keeping lines of communication open with some of my old girls, etc...

My steady "long-time" novia/bar-girl comes to be with me after work or on her day off, usually for 6-12 hours at a time, usually for an average cost of less than about $15US an hour, a figure that is entirely decided upon by me. If you do the math, you can see the merits in that compared to the average salida, which will run you a minimum of about $65US an hour. So, with all she does for me, the level of her GFE, I am really getting by on the cheap.

I mention the economics because I am always a little worried that I am being a cheap bastard with her, always wondering if I am motivating her sufficiently for her to want to return for future long time encounters. I always think about whether I am giving her the wrong idea, that she might eventually decide that I am taking advantage of her. There is no "price" being quoted to me, so I am not really sure how much is too much, or how little is too little.

I try to show her in other ways. relatively inexpensive gifts, chocolates, flowers, tequilla in the room, dinners here and there, movies, etc...hoping that she will see that taking advantage is not my intention, but under these "bar-girl" circumstances, it makes a "qausi-legitimate" romantic encounter significantly more difficult to gauge.

So far, she has been a trooper, and seems to have "feelings" that translate into cheap encounters for me. Lucky me, but I am always wondering how long it will continue to last. I am always attempting to gauge whether I am doing enough both emotionally and monetarily to propel the quality of our encounters month to month to a new plateau, and/or to at least achieve a consistent perpetual level of GFE.

I DO NOT mention this stuff to brag about my circumstances, but more because it IS a very, very, rare set of circumstances in Monterrey, one that I have rarely encountered. I am not always sure I am handling the situation in the best way possible, and whether my tactics seem sufficient to maintain the GFE for the best long term effect.

Airing the details here can sometimes serve to help me consider my tactics, and to yield advice that is helpful coming from mongers that have perhaps already dealt with similiar circumstances, the "legitimate bar girl romance." The actual GFE bar girl encounter "for real" is not common in Mexico, and I actually have little experience in making this kind of thing work to my best interest over the long term. So, if you as a reader have suggestions or comments, I am open to considering them.

This long time arrangement is not easy to find in Monterrey, but I truly prefer it, at least for now, over bar-fining multiple girls for just two hour sessions at a time over the course of my week in Monterrey, and for reasons other than just economics. If not only for the reduced hourly cost, but also because I am extremely fond of this girl, and I enjoy her company. She is the quent-essential GFE, and her sincerity level is right up there with any bar fine I have ever had Worldwide, not a common occurence in Mexico.

For the new visitor, the prospect of finding "long-term" bar girl relationships is pretty rare. It is commonly found in other more notorious venues, such as Thailand, the PI, Colombia, etc...where a steady girl is bar fined usually for anywhere from 12 hours at a time to all week long, same girl. Obviously, there are just as many guys in those other venues that go the opposite direction, preferring "short-time," 3-4 hour encounters. But, I am from the "long-time," GFE camp.

So, my preference for being a "long-time" monger plays a role in my current motice operandi in Monterrey, and in my desire to use the lower end clubs as fertile hunting grounds for GFE. Afterall, my current GFE came from one of the lower end clubs, and my track record has been most encouraging with respect to "qausi legitimate" GFE from the lower end clubs.

The medium and high end clubs seems to be more full of pros than El Infinito. I know that seems hard to believe, but the girls in the medium and high end clubs are perhaps more endoctrinated to a hard nosed mercenary approach than what I have been able to routinely experience out of the lower end clubs.

The girls in the medium and high end clubs rely on using their charm on their intended victims, whereas the girls in the low end clubs seemingly have less experience with running psychological games because their experience in the low end bars limits them. There is very little charm required when you are just a piece of meat on a stage. The girls in the low end clubs have less experience using their charm, seemingly, and my experience is that you can find a greater degree of sincerity from them as a result. The girls in the low end bars still have the same degree of charm, but they are generally not as good at using charm to entice clients. So, it seems to me that girls from the low end bars are better candidates for potential quasi-legitimate GFE encounters due to their sincerity level.

It must also be pointed out that if you are seeking quasi-legitimate GFE in MTY, that Monterrey is a very "short-timer" oriented venue, and the occassional traveler will find "long-time" arrangements almost impossible to negotiate without a significant amount of frustration, and a lot of experience on the ground in Monterrey to cultivate relationships with the girls. So, my approach and my perspective is not one I would generally recommend to the occassional traveler to Monterrey.

After reading USB's many posts, I never would have figured infinito would be his favorite place. He seems to really dig the GFE experience or fantasy and I would think that harder to come by at infinito than other places. Girls don't really sit with clients etc, just stand on stage and wait for a trip to privados.

We then walked to Givenchy and it seemed pretty cool. More laid back but less women and less attractive women on average than infinito. After a beer at givenchy carlos had to head out as he had prior plans, but he insisted on driving me to El Harem.

MonterreyDude

04-03-07, 03:14

Your are welcome to come back.
see you soon.

Far west has live music. Tonight they have 3-4 tejano groups playing. I may go there for a few beers etc.

I had the pleasure of meeting our distinguished monterrey native member carlos yesterday. We live in a small world as after I sent carlos a pm describing myself so when we meet up he would recognize me. . . . .he called my hotel a bit later and asked if I was at a bank in the morning. Totally freaked me out as I indeed did go to a bank with one of my clients. Turns out carlos was at the same bank and saw me there, not knowing who I was. Then when he read my description, he figured it was me.

Carlos came by my hotel to pick me up, and even called a few times to update me as he was running late. I had no plans for the afternoon so whenever he arrived would be fine. He was actually getting hungry and I had eaten a large breakfast so he wanted to do a lunch buffet at Prestige. Carlos had a nice lunch and I just had a few beers. Beers were 2 for 1 so it was a very good deal.

A few of carlos's amigas joined us to chat from time to time, and one girl wants me to call her today to take her to infinito and far west. Apparently she had tried to go to infinito and they would not let her in. She gave me her number, but I am not sure I am going to call. I am really taking it easy for the weekend as I am exhausted.

Kickbacks? There have been a few posts in this thread about carlos getting kickbacks from the clubs etc. I seriously doubt that! First of all if someone wanted to earn a few bucks getting kickbacks, he would take "unsuspecting gringos" to the more expensive clubs as they are already over charging and can afford to pay taxis and guides that bring clients.

Our entire bill for a few hours at Prestige was less than $100. Even if the club paid 20% which I would really doubt. I don't see carlos as going through all the trouble of picking me up, driving me around, giving me a tour and showing me the ropes. . . .to make 20 bucks. Even if he did. . . who cares. . .as I saved money on taxis and had a great company for my first night out in Monterrey.

Carlos just appears to enjoy the clubs and hanging with the girls etc. He seemed to genuinely enjoy his role as tour guide and welcome wagon etc. He spoke of some good times he has had with other ISG members and it appears he likes to make new friends.

I live in santo domingo and have showed more than a few ISG members and others I have met online, around the city. I certainly don't need kickbacks or payment, and can relate to how carlos enjoys shoing people around. It is very cool to see some people's reactions when they become the "kid in the candy store" etc. I think in many ways carlos epitomizes what ISG is all about. I have shown ISG members around my "turf" and then if I decide to explore a new place and ISG member returns the favor. Good karma all around.

After prestige we went to Infinito. WOW. Not even remotely how I pictured it. It was way more over the top and hardcore. Girls just standing on stage and guys grabbing them for privados. Pretty interesting set up, but not normally my cup of tea. I enjoy just hanging out and flirting, practicing spanish and people watching. If there is some chemistry with one of the girls I may partake but that is a pretty rare occurence.

After reading USB's many posts, I never would have figured infinito would be his favorite place. He seems to really dig the GFE experience or fantasy and I would think that harder to come by at infinito than other places. Girls don't really sit with clients etc, just stand on stage and wait for a trip to privados.

We then walked to Givenchy and it seemed pretty cool. More laid back but less women and less attractive women on average than infinito. After a beer at givenchy carlos had to head out as he had prior plans, but he insisted on driving me to El Harem. I owe carlos a big thanks for being such a gracious host and showing me around.

I stayed for a few beers at Harem than cabbed back to givenchy and infinito area. I even ventured into tangalay. Not many attractive women there, but interesting people watching none the less. I finall jumped in a cab to take me to my hotel but the driver never heard of it. I had to aks 4 drivers before finding one that knew it. Even when I said what street it was on, the other 3 were clueless. I should have remembered to tell them the hotel used to be called Del Rio.

I am heading out to eat now. Not sure if I will go to El gaucho or Hooters. . .lol. . . I am actually in the mood for wings, but the steak at gaucho was so good I am sort of torn. I will then most likely make a stop at the clubs and if I am up for it head to far west. I need to leave relatively early in the am so it will be a fairly mellow night.

Once again I want to thank carlos, USB, wasted and all the other posters for the info and advice. It certainly made my trip to monterrey more enjoyable!

MonterreyDude

04-03-07, 03:33

Iam going to contradict USB here.
His standard of girls is soooooooooooo high, that he only gets one girl once in a blue moon.
I always threaten USB to slap him a little when he gets down here, cause we always quarrel a lot on this thing about girls. But I think this time he's going to do the slapping.
Wasted, Mr L, RTW, they all have more than one girl or at least seem to favor several girls at the clubs, cause in some instances they go first for a good time, plus looks, but favoring a good time with a nice girl above all.
Wasted, USB and me, we are not young and like I have wrote or commented many times, we are going against a very stiff competition than involves 20somethings and 30 somethings with, sometimes, more money than us.
We are dealing with the age factor here, our age factor Vs. the girls age factor.
In other words, I don't think we are in a position that favors us when choosing girls... and the more years that pass, the less there'll be girls to choose from.
For many years now I have managed a standard that allows me to have a nice flock of girls. If within that standard a nice 18 year old like the girl I see at the Prestige pops up... well, come to papa.
If a nice girl like the D girl at the Obsession come over and wants my frienship, she's welcomed.
In between I have many others, not so pretty as the forementioned, but am still having fun.
Again: we are in a point in time where we must stop looking for the bird in the hand... we must go for the birds in the bushes.
And I will contradict USB again.
My friends at my Yahoo groups, bachelors and in their 20's and 30's, are up to their necks in club girls.
One of them is seeing Priscilla at the I place. Joselyn at the O place. And the list goes on and on. Plus, we have to consider all the ones we don't know about.
We all know of the girls fighting to go over with Wasted and Mr L. Many also know of the girls that want to go out with me, but I just give them a big "NO".
We've read of RTW adventures with his girls.
No.
I don't agree at all with USB assesment of the girls.
He's so strict that his missing all the fun.

PS: Guys... this will be my last post cause my friend USB is going to hang me by the balls.......

Great Report Prtyr2,

Plus, in addition to the hunt being more efficient within the confines of El Infinito, the quality of El Infinito, generally, is on par with the medium level clubs, sometimes superior, IMHO, with the girls seemingly being just a little younger, and thinner.

Lately, a chain of events with one particular girl has changed my perspective a little. I used to look for as many of them to bar fine as possible, taking them from El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuala, etc...each day or every other day of the week, primarily making my selections from those clubs because the price of salidas is quite a bit less than to bar fine them from clubs like Harem, Pasarelas, Bahamas, TVO, or Casino. But, I am apparently becoming lazy and have settled on one particular girl that I like to be around. So, most of my time lately on salida has been spent with her.

I have decided lately that I enjoy endulging in the long-time bar fine with this steady girl, and then the rest of the time, when my girl is working or busy, I enjoy just spending time in the medium level clubs drinking with the girls, socializing with my amigos, continuing the hunt with an eye to the future, setting some new girls up for potential future salidas, keeping lines of communication open with some of my old girls, etc...

My steady "long-time" novia/bar-girl comes to be with me after work or on her day off, usually for 6-12 hours at a time, usually for an average cost of less than about $15US an hour, a figure that is entirely decided upon by me. If you do the math, you can see the merits in that compared to the average salida, which will run you a minimum of about $65US an hour. So, with all she does for me, the level of her GFE, I am really getting by on the cheap.

I mention the economics because I am always a little worried that I am being a cheap bastard with her, always wondering if I am motivating her sufficiently for her to want to return for future long time encounters. I always think about whether I am giving her the wrong idea, that she might eventually decide that I am taking advantage of her. There is no "price" being quoted to me, so I am not really sure how much is too much, or how little is too little.

I try to show her in other ways. relatively inexpensive gifts, chocolates, flowers, tequilla in the room, dinners here and there, movies, etc...hoping that she will see that taking advantage is not my intention, but under these "bar-girl" circumstances, it makes a "qausi-legitimate" romantic encounter significantly more difficult to gauge.

So far, she has been a trooper, and seems to have "feelings" that translate into cheap encounters for me. Lucky me, but I am always wondering how long it will continue to last. I am always attempting to gauge whether I am doing enough both emotionally and monetarily to propel the quality of our encounters month to month to a new plateau, and/or to at least achieve a consistent perpetual level of GFE.

I DO NOT mention this stuff to brag about my circumstances, but more because it IS a very, very, rare set of circumstances in Monterrey, one that I have rarely encountered. I am not always sure I am handling the situation in the best way possible, and whether my tactics seem sufficient to maintain the GFE for the best long term effect.

Airing the details here can sometimes serve to help me consider my tactics, and to yield advice that is helpful coming from mongers that have perhaps already dealt with similiar circumstances, the "legitimate bar girl romance." The actual GFE bar girl encounter "for real" is not common in Mexico, and I actually have little experience in making this kind of thing work to my best interest over the long term. So, if you as a reader have suggestions or comments, I am open to considering them.

This long time arrangement is not easy to find in Monterrey, but I truly prefer it, at least for now, over bar-fining multiple girls for just two hour sessions at a time over the course of my week in Monterrey, and for reasons other than just economics. If not only for the reduced hourly cost, but also because I am extremely fond of this girl, and I enjoy her company. She is the quent-essential GFE, and her sincerity level is right up there with any bar fine I have ever had Worldwide, not a common occurence in Mexico.

For the new visitor, the prospect of finding "long-term" bar girl relationships is pretty rare. It is commonly found in other more notorious venues, such as Thailand, the PI, Colombia, etc...where a steady girl is bar fined usually for anywhere from 12 hours at a time to all week long, same girl. Obviously, there are just as many guys in those other venues that go the opposite direction, preferring "short-time," 3-4 hour encounters. But, I am from the "long-time," GFE camp.

So, my preference for being a "long-time" monger plays a role in my current motice operandi in Monterrey, and in my desire to use the lower end clubs as fertile hunting grounds for GFE. Afterall, my current GFE came from one of the lower end clubs, and my track record has been most encouraging with respect to "qausi legitimate" GFE from the lower end clubs.

The medium and high end clubs seems to be more full of pros than El Infinito. I know that seems hard to believe, but the girls in the medium and high end clubs are perhaps more endoctrinated to a hard nosed mercenary approach than what I have been able to routinely experience out of the lower end clubs.

The girls in the medium and high end clubs rely on using their charm on their intended victims, whereas the girls in the low end clubs seemingly have less experience with running psychological games because their experience in the low end bars limits them. There is very little charm required when you are just a piece of meat on a stage. The girls in the low end clubs have less experience using their charm, seemingly, and my experience is that you can find a greater degree of sincerity from them as a result. The girls in the low end bars still have the same degree of charm, but they are generally not as good at using charm to entice clients. So, it seems to me that girls from the low end bars are better candidates for potential quasi-legitimate GFE encounters due to their sincerity level.

It must also be pointed out that if you are seeking quasi-legitimate GFE in MTY, that Monterrey is a very "short-timer" oriented venue, and the occassional traveler will find "long-time" arrangements almost impossible to negotiate without a significant amount of frustration, and a lot of experience on the ground in Monterrey to cultivate relationships with the girls. So, my approach and my perspective is not one I would generally recommend to the occassional traveler to Monterrey.

Member #3453

04-03-07, 05:02

Carlos,

No contradiction...no offense taken. I actually agree with your perspective. But, I am also currently happy with my present circumstances. I am afterall, getting the cheap 12 hours sessions, verdad? True, it's the same girl, but I would not trade my circumstances for the 2 hour salidas with some ice queen, and the inflated cost of same. I DO NOT expect this to last forever with my steady. I am merely enjoying the ride. When the time comes that I am no longer devoting long periods of time to one girl, you will hear my cries of dispare, no doubt. Then, and only then, you can have the satisfaction of telling me "I told you so."

On to another subject...

I call this one: "Give a girl a fish and you feed her for a day. Teach a girl to fish and you feed her for a lifetime."

Many of you know that I make bracelets for the girls in the clubs. You will find my handiwork distributed generously throughout the lower end strip clubs of MTY, especially within El Infinito. Just check their wrists...there you will find my handiwork on many a chica.

Anyway, on one of my last trips, I showed my girl how to make these works of art :-), gave her the instruction sheet, etc...gave her a short lesson. Anyway, on my last trip, she showed me that she had made one of them. Not the quality of the Master, but not bad.

Anyway, my girl took me to a store on this last trip. It was kind of like a Michaels or a Hobby Lobby, be it on a much smaller scale of course. Anyway, they had some multicolored seed beads for sale, and she asked me help her pick some out. I bought her an assortment of colors, all for a mere pittance, maybe like 35 pesos for literally hundreds of beads.

She proceeds to tell me that she is now making these bracelets and selling them to girls in her home town for about 50 pesos each. The total of materials couldn't cost her more than 15-20 pesos. Not bad profitability for a bar girl to make some added income, especially when the Gringo is bank rolling the materials, verdad? She says she can turn one out in about an hour. What the hell, 50 pesos an hour...She makes more in the privados, but shit, in her spare time? Not bad...

So, you see, Mexico is much better off for having had the likes of the Gringo USB fraternize with it's "hostess" population. :-)

Iam going to contradict USB here.
His standard of girls is soooooooooooo high, that he only gets one girl once in a blue moon.
I always threaten USB to slap him a little when he gets down here, cause we always quarrel a lot on this thing about girls. But I think this time he's going to do the slapping.
Wasted, Mr L, RTW, they all have more than one girl or at least seem to favor several girls at the clubs, cause in some instances they go first for a good time, plus looks, but favoring a good time with a nice girl above all.
Wasted, USB and me, we are not young and like I have wrote or commented many times, we are going against a very stiff competition than involves 20somethings and 30 somethings with, sometimes, more money than us.
We are dealing with the age factor here, our age factor Vs. the girls age factor.
In other words, I don't think we are in a position that favors us when choosing girls... and the more years that pass, the less there'll be girls to choose from.
For many years now I have managed a standard that allows me to have a nice flock of girls. If within that standard a nice 18 year old like the girl I see at the Prestige pops up... well, come to papa.
If a nice girl like the D girl at the Obsession come over and wants my frienship, she's welcomed.
In between I have many others, not so pretty as the forementioned, but am still having fun.
Again: we are in a point in time where we must stop looking for the bird in the hand... we must go for the birds in the bushes.
And I will contradict USB again.
My friends at my Yahoo groups, bachelors and in their 20's and 30's, are up to their necks in club girls.
One of them is seeing Priscilla at the I place. Joselyn at the O place. And the list goes on and on. Plus, we have to consider all the ones we don't know about.
We all know of the girls fighting to go over with Wasted and Mr L. Many also know of the girls that want to go out with me, but I just give them a big "NO".
We've read of RTW adventures with his girls.
No.
I don't agree at all with USB assesment of the girls.
He's so strict that his missing all the fun.

PS: Guys... this will be my last post cause my friend USB is going to hang me by the balls.......

Member #3453

04-03-07, 14:05

i really saw no contradiction in your post, and no offense taken.

frankly, you failed to comment on the gyst of my thesis. you merely critiqued my choices. that is not really a contradiction of my conclusions, such as the differences between the passive styles of the girls in the low end bars versus the aggressive, mercenary style of the girls in the medium and high end bars.

this is a very on-point analysis of my opinion about what differentiates the low end bar girl potential from the medium level/high end bar girl potential.

you see, i prefer working the girls in the low end bars because they don't have well honed, demonstrative personalities like the girls in the medium and high end bars. they don't practice extracting money from you for drinks...not even on privados. the low end bar girls just stand there on stage, using very little else to entice patrons other than appearance.

as a consequence, some of the girls in the low end bars have little obvious "charm." but, the ones that actually do have charm, which is most of them, are great bar fines. more of the low end girls possess "charm" than is usually othewise discernable without interviewing them extensively in the privados, or getting to know them over time. and, if they are not particularly outgoing initially, if you get to know them over time, as friends, they develop an attraction and willingness to go on salida. they are every bit as good as any girl from the medium/high end bars, but it requires some effort bringing them out of their shells.

if you take a low end girl into the privados, and you don't talk to her, but you merely grope, fondle, and molest her, you will never really know the extent to which she might actually have some gfe charm and allure for gfe salida potential. many guys cut directly to the chase, and fail to explore this potential. they get in the privados and they are so absorbed in the physical stimulus that they totally overlook the more important verbal interviewing process.

i know you are not guilty of that carlos...but, many guys fail to recognize that potential because they are stuck on strictly the "physical" potential within the privados, and the girls, due to their lack of experience with respect to charm skills, play right into this dynamic, making it seem that they, the low end bar girls, lack personality in comparison to their peers in the medium and high end places.

the girls just grind away and the guys don't give a shit about knowing them for any other potential. so, the girls go along every night of the week, gaining very little experience at using their charm to entice guys into selecting them for salida.

besides, salidas are rare in monterrey. the girls do not typically go on salida much. the clientelle in the low end bars don't want salidas, and more than likely, they generally can't afford them. the "rat pack" is the exception. and, that is why we enjoy a certain level of infamy with the girls in the low end bars.

plus, with the low end girls, there is a definite "status" that is apparently attained by their being selected to go on salida. it elevates them within the social order of the bar. in addition, there is a degree of possessiveness established as well. the girls in the low end bars actually "imprint" on us.

they regard us individually as "theirs," and i believe they place a greater value on our patronage than what is sometimes given us by the medium/high end girls. it is because our patronage, in the form of salidas, involves a psychological boost to their egos, and a subsequent elevated status achieved within the bar. our patronage demonstrates to their peers that they are salida material for the rich gringos, and successful mexicanos, even when they are shared three and four at a time such as in the case of the harem established by wastedg.

carlos, you are always talking about the effects of the class structure within mexico. we are their "fair haired boys." and, i believe, patronizing the low end girls is an ultimately superior experience to bar fining them from the medium/high end places for that reason. i have always generally had better salidas from the girls working in the low end bars than from the medium and high end bars.

we, the "rat pack" of monterrey do otherwise compared to the hords of low end patrons, and that is why we have hords of girls that we regularly bar fine out of the low end bars. our focus is different than the average patron in the low end bars.

with the girls having a lack of "experience" in practicing charm on the hords of low end patrons," there exists an opportunity for really decent gfe salida action, usually at a cheaper cost, if you can turn the tables and charm them, or develop a familiarity that puts them at ease at the prospect of leaving the bar with you. that is the basis of my conclusions.

as for my "only getting a girl once in a blue moon," that is not true. remember, i bar fined a new girl almost nightly over the last couple of years, and when things went really well, when they all decided to actually show up, sometimes i would find myself entertaining as many as two or three a day. it's only been recently that i decided to patronize one girl a couple nights a week. it has been a conscious "decison" on my part to do so, and not a lack of potential opportunity.

plus, since we are engaged in discussing the proper frame of mind, with respect to your comment, "only in a blue moon," i remind you that if i am to have the correct mental state, and the "proper" approach according to carlos, it is the other way around...

"they" are the ones that are not getting me...they are the ones that are only fortunate enough to see "me" once in a blue moon :-) remember, i am the client, and they are the providers. in that respect, i suppose my standards are very high.

iam going to contradict usb here.

MonterreyDude

04-03-07, 17:33

for any forum member reading this, this discussion is for medicinal purposes.
am trying to make usb understand that he is dealing with hookers, girls that can be friendly one day and stab you in the back the next.
"stab you in the back" in the figurative sense, that is.
but please take note, cause it gives you an idea of how the girls act and react to customers....

usb says: "they" are the ones that are not getting me...they are the ones that are only fortunate enough to see "me" once in a blue moon :-) remember, i am the client, and they are the providers. in that respect, i suppose my standards are very high."

i say: yes, yes, but no. yes, the girls are not getting you, but right now you are now a familiar face, but they don't care cause you don't leave a mark in the places you visit. even with the many times you've been here, they don't recall you above being the guy with the cooies. you are not unpredictable and they see you as a "no sell".
yes, you have high standars, but you have failed to communicate this. business moves so fast to these girls that you haven´t made this clear to them.
this is very important: they don't respect you.
if they don't respect you, they do whatever they want with you and not the other way around as it should be.
in other words, the one with the high standards are the girls. their standards include here, foolishly looking for young customers with money, which is a falacy.
we must make sure they understand that and also that they are still "trash", but the kind of "trash" we are willing to like...

i really saw no contradiction in your post, and no offense taken.

frankly, you failed to comment on the gyst of my thesis. you merely critiqued my choices. that is not really a contradiction of my conclusions, such as the differences between the passive styles of the girls in the low end bars versus the aggressive, mercenary style of the girls in the medium and high end bars.

this is a very on-point analysis of my opinion about what differentiates the low end bar girl potential from the medium level/high end bar girl potential.

you see, i prefer working the girls in the low end bars because they don't have well honed, demonstrative personalities like the girls in the medium and high end bars. they don't practice extracting money from you for drinks...not even on privados. the low end bar girls just stand there on stage, using very little else to entice patrons other than appearance.

as a consequence, some of the girls in the low end bars have little obvious "charm." but, the ones that actually do have charm, which is most of them, are great bar fines. more of the low end girls possess "charm" than is usually othewise discernable without interviewing them extensively in the privados, or getting to know them over time. and, if they are not particularly outgoing initially, if you get to know them over time, as friends, they develop an attraction and willingness to go on salida. they are every bit as good as any girl from the medium/high end bars, but it requires some effort bringing them out of their shells.

if you take a low end girl into the privados, and you don't talk to her, but you merely grope, fondle, and molest her, you will never really know the extent to which she might actually have some gfe charm and allure for gfe salida potential. many guys cut directly to the chase, and fail to explore this potential. they get in the privados and they are so absorbed in the physical stimulus that they totally overlook the more important verbal interviewing process.

i know you are not guilty of that carlos...but, many guys fail to recognize that potential because they are stuck on strictly the "physical" potential within the privados, and the girls, due to their lack of experience with respect to charm skills, play right into this dynamic, making it seem that they, the low end bar girls, lack personality in comparison to their peers in the medium and high end places.

the girls just grind away and the guys don't give a shit about knowing them for any other potential. so, the girls go along every night of the week, gaining very little experience at using their charm to entice guys into selecting them for salida.

besides, salidas are rare in monterrey. the girls do not typically go on salida much. the clientelle in the low end bars don't want salidas, and more than likely, they generally can't afford them. the "rat pack" is the exception. and, that is why we enjoy a certain level of infamy with the girls in the low end bars.

plus, with the low end girls, there is a definite "status" that is apparently attained by their being selected to go on salida. it elevates them within the social order of the bar. in addition, there is a degree of possessiveness established as well. the girls in the low end bars actually "imprint" on us.

they regard us individually as "theirs," and i believe they place a greater value on our patronage than what is sometimes given us by the medium/high end girls. it is because our patronage, in the form of salidas, involves a psychological boost to their egos, and a subsequent elevated status achieved within the bar. our patronage demonstrates to their peers that they are salida material for the rich gringos, and successful mexicanos, even when they are shared three and four at a time such as in the case of the harem established by wastedg.

carlos, you are always talking about the effects of the class structure within mexico. we are their "fair haired boys." and, i believe, patronizing the low end girls is an ultimately superior experience to bar fining them from the medium/high end places for that reason. i have always generally had better salidas from the girls working in the low end bars than from the medium and high end bars.

we, the "rat pack" of monterrey do otherwise compared to the hords of low end patrons, and that is why we have hords of girls that we regularly bar fine out of the low end bars. our focus is different than the average patron in the low end bars.

with the girls having a lack of "experience" in practicing charm on the hords of low end patrons," there exists an opportunity for really decent gfe salida action, usually at a cheaper cost, if you can turn the tables and charm them, or develop a familiarity that puts them at ease at the prospect of leaving the bar with you. that is the basis of my conclusions.

as for my "only getting a girl once in a blue moon," that is not true. remember, i bar fined a new girl almost nightly over the last couple of years, and when things went really well, when they all decided to actually show up, sometimes i would find myself entertaining as many as two or three a day. it's only been recently that i decided to patronize one girl a couple nights a week. it has been a conscious "decison" on my part to do so, and not a lack of potential opportunity.

plus, since we are engaged in discussing the proper frame of mind, with respect to your comment, "only in a blue moon," i remind you that if i am to have the correct mental state, and the "proper" approach according to carlos, it is the other way around...

"they" are the ones that are not getting me...they are the ones that are only fortunate enough to see "me" once in a blue moon :-) remember, i am the client, and they are the providers. in that respect, i suppose my standards are very high.

Member #3453

04-03-07, 21:43

Carlos says..."Am trying to make USB understand that he is dealing with hookers, girls that can be friendly one day and stab you in the back the next."

I agree, except to also add that they are "women" first, and hookers second. What interests me, the game that I find the most stimulating, is to transcend the stereotypical label of being their client, and to be something more to them than just a paycheck...That is the true measure of GFE. I don't really know what that "something more" sometimes is, but when I find it, I know it without further contemplation, and so do they.

They are definitely hookers in their jobs, at least as we define them from a male perspective. But, they do not think so. They regard themselves as smart business women, entrepreneurs, and entertainers.

For example, my girl was recently with me in a pharmacy. The girl behind the counter spoke fluent English. My girl was visibly jealous when I told her that the girl was very smart, not only because she knew so much English, and how she spoke it so fluently, without accent, but because of the way she carried herself. The clerk behind the counter was a good girl, with brains, with pride, with proper manners and decorum. Plus, the girl was of white, European decent. A typical Mexican flaca morena believes that she can not compete on that level, so jealousy is the natural response. I understand what I am dealing with, and how I am using it to my advantage. But, because of the sociology of her Mexican upbringing, she feels threatened by the mere presence of a white skinned, educated, natural dish water blonde Mexicana...wonders never cease. I am more attracted to the flaca morena, but she is mired in the sociology of her ancestors.

My girl was quite jealous, but not angry. I recall that as she smiled at me she called me coquetto, just because I was conversing with the Mexican girl in English, and because I was impressed with the girl's apparent intellect. My bar girl replied to me in Spanish, "Yeah, but USB, who is smarter? Who is making more money, the girl working in the bar, or the girl working behind the counter?"

I had to acknowledge that my bar girl was certainly making more money. I did not want to hurt my girl's feelings, but there is more to it, more than she is able to comprehend as a consequence of her social position in life, and the limitations that dictate her place in the pecking order of Mexican society.

As for my personal opinion about which vocation is the smarter, I personally believe it is the girl that educated herself, and earns her living with more dignity that is the wiser. But, smarter and wiser are two different kinds of assessment. The bar girls generally lack wisdom, but most of them are dangerously smart. I still have to explain the difference to my bar girl, the difference between wisdom and intellegence. She has much to learn.

You see, I fully understand what I am dealing with when it comes to these "hookers." But, that doesn't make them any less precious to me as people. All bar girls, whether they are smart, or intellectually inferior, whether they lack wisdom, etc...are a different breed, a breed apart from girls of normal Mexican society. But, I still regard the ones that deliver the goods with sincere affection, and legitimate concern. They think they are doing the best they can regardless of the choices they make in life, even choices that are unknowningly made to their own detriment.

And...Carlos, we have both heard something lately coming from the bar girls that is uncharacteristic of the typical hooker of yester year.

The girls do not see themselves as hookers. They see themselves first as entertainers, even so far as to believe that as long as they screw you with a condom, it is a sufficient barrier to isolate them, not only in a biological sense, but also with respect to the emotional toll that such activity most certainly takes upon them.

I do not agree with their perspective, that the condom somehow legitimizes and protects them from what they do, but I am just articulating what so many of them are thinking of themselves these days.

It is a different world even compared to ten years ago. Many of the girls rationalize what they do, and so many of them do not see themselves as hookers. Remember the girls in the Prestige that said they are "so glad they are not one of them," meaning hookers? The new generation has a perspective we have not heard before.

Carlos further says..."Yes, the girls are not getting you, but right now you are now a familiar face, but they don't care cause you don't leave a mark in the places you visit. Even with the many times you've been here, they don't recall you above being the guy with the cookies. You are not unpredictable and they see you as a "no sell". Yes, you have high standards, but you have failed to communicate this. Business moves so fast to these girls that you haven´t made this clear to them."

They see me as a no sell because I am not buying what they have for sale. I want to be completely predictable. I want them to understand what it is I am buying, but most of them are too dense to figure it out, choosing instead to cast upon me their expectations for a "good time." They prefer to dictate to me. But, I am in total and complete control. I will simply dismiss them if they don't provide what I am looking for, even Cindy #1, Cindy #2, Angry Girl, whomever...

You see, it is not a matter of them respecting me...I am the one with the money. It is a matter of my respecting them as providers, which I do not.
Most of them are too lazy to understand what I am buying, and to DE-LIV-ER IT!

Most of them only choose to deliver what they believe their Mexican clients are satisfied with. I am not a Mexican client...I am a Norte Americano that has patronized hundreds of girls not only in Mexico, but throughout Asia and Central America. Why is it so acceptable in Mexico, as clients, that we always accept the very least from them, and why is it never about them providing a superior level of "GFE" performance? I am sounding more and more like Porker each day...very scary.

I will continue to interview them, and to enjoy them over a drink or two, and to hopefully find the needle in the haystack once in awhile. But, to actually bar fine some of these amateurs is a waste of my time. Obviously, I have to continue an extensive interviewing process to find the needles in the haystack. But, so many of them are such an ultimate disappointment to me that they never get beyond one or two drinks.

I have a different expectation for them than they are used to. The typical Mexicana performance is not generally what I seek, so I do not really care if they want me or not...because I don't want them if they choose to deliver their normal Mexicana brand of service.

Only the girls that provide what I am looking for are the ones that will get my money. It is up to them. If they don't produce, if they do not work for my attention, I am off to another venue, where I can easily obtain what I am so used to receiving for a fraction of the price, and without having to beg for it.

You see, I am very demanding. My present girlfriend understands what I am looking for, delivers it with her own level of personal pleasure and satisfaction as part of the mix, and she and I are both richer for it in all respects. It should be a win/win.

The typical hardened pros of Mexico do not get it. But, currently, my present girl is intelligent enough to understand what it is I want, and to provide it. Perhaps she provides it with a strong measure of sincerity, and perhaps she provides it because she is in-tune with what her job really is. Either way, it doesn't matter because she is running circles around all the others...NO contest.

Am trying to make USB understand that he is dealing with hookers, girls that can be friendly one day and stab you in the back the next.
"Stab you in the back" in the figurative sense, that is.
But please take note, cause it gives you an idea of how the girls act and react to customers....

USB says: "They" are the ones that are not getting me...They are the ones that are only fortunate enough to see "me" once in a Blue Moon :-) Remember, I am the client, and they are the providers. In that respect, I suppose my standards are very high."

I say: Yes, yes, but no. Yes, the girls are not getting you, but right now you are now a familiar face, but they don't care cause you don't leave a mark in the places you visit. Even with the many times you've been here, they don't recall you above being the guy with the cooies. You are not unpredictable and they see you as a "no sell".
Yes, you have high standars, but you have failed to communicate this. Business moves so fast to these girls that you haven´t made this clear to them.
This is very important: They don't respect you.
If they don't respect you, they do whatever they want with you and not the other way around as it should be.
In other words, the one with the high standards are the girls. Their standards include here, foolishly looking for young customers with money, which is a falacy.
We must make sure they understand that and also that they are still "trash", but the kind of "trash" we are willing to like...

El Cabron 007

04-05-07, 01:43

My girl made the honor roll at Infinito High.

Line'em up. I think I'm coming down for a visit soon.

Wasted

Member #3453

04-05-07, 13:26

I knew you could not stay away...Returning 4/21-4/27 for me. But, one question, WastedG, you say your "girl," as in the singular form, as though one of them in particular is the subject of your desires. Don't you have and entire class to consider?

Are you referring to one in particular, or are you going to administer the final examines to the class as a whole.

I am bringing them their "final examines," just for the month that is...I will also bring their Fredericks of Hollywood Caps and Gowns...

CHEATERS!!! They are all teacher's pet, they are all making honor roll and graduating to the "Head" of their class regardless, verdad? :-)

My girl made the honor roll at Infinito High.

Line'em up. I think I'm coming down for a visit soon.

Wasted

Round the World

04-05-07, 17:03

is the gang converging on mty around 4/21?

i may have to book a ticket as well.... hate to see you guys have too much fun without me... also want to stake out my territory :)

Member #3453

04-05-07, 19:23

I arrive probably by about 9pm on 4/21 via bus from Laredo, provided everything goes smooth with the flights into Laredo. I will be in MTY all week, through the night of 4/26. Hope you can make it!

is the gang converging on mty around 4/21?

i may have to book a ticket as well.... hate to see you guys have too much fun without me... also want to stake out my territory :)

MonterreyDude

04-05-07, 21:30

One of the reasons I don't post reports on MPs, which I don't use but I know them well, is because by the moment the info hits the board, they are totally outdated.
I got a PM from a member that I know from another forum asking precisly that. That things changed a lot 2 weeks ago when he was here from his last time 6 months ago.
Told him that since the last time of his visit, girls have changed, prices and attitude has chaged also.
Places that might have been opened can be close by now.
And most likely, some might have hiked their prices, which makes the girls charge you higer for extras.
This is very true of Romanos, which is the little ugly brother of the expensive Misses. Girls at Misses are bussed once in a while from Misses to Romanos and while at Misses they might charge 2000 pesos per hour, at Romanos they will charge 1000 pesos, BUT they will ask for extras that might go way into the 800 peso range.
The "never go at 4-5 pm rule" still exists, cause that is the time the morning shift will be leaving and the afternoon shift coming in, so at that time expect to see at the MP's 2 or 3 girls.
Never go on a Tuesday. That's when the majority of the girls rest.
The best girls work at the medium priced businesses, like Deborahs, Marcella, Horoscope, etc. All these MPs are not in the downtown area, but in the near periphery to distance themselves from the low charging places.
These places charge as a base price 300-400 pesos plus extras that will hike the price into 800-1000 pesos but of course, a 600 pesos gig is not impossible.
There are also the little ones that advertise small, like Francis at Articulo 123 st., near Cigarrera. One day I took an American there... I was surprised to see at a place like this, 10 girls all crowded up in a small room.
But still the ruling MPs, are the following:
Signore www.signore.com.mx
Faraonas 1 and 2
Marcella www.pompis.com.mx

The rest is trail and error. Depends on the luck of the monger....

Member #3453

04-06-07, 04:36

i recently read a post on another site that harshly criticized tj. the post on the other site was written by a guy who formerly frequented tj. this guy took a recent trip to indonesia. according to his post, indonesia is the promised land, and tj really sucks.

i understand his comparisons with respect to price, and even possibly with respect to quality of experience when comparing indonesia to tj. but there are downsides to everything, the amount of travel time required, language barriers, health risks, cost of travel, etc...

i have never been to tj, so i don't have any direct experience to use for comparison. but, i can honestly say that upon hearing the many descriptions of tj, i don't think monterrey is in any way comparible to tj, except that the two are in mexico.

first, mexico is not comparable to some of the more notorious other venues with respect to price, and even with respect to general quality of experience. however, there are some things that are particularly convenient and seductive about monterrey, things that draw me back there, and things that sometimes cause me to wish i were in monterrey when i am elsewhere.

there are a lot of really hot girls in monterrey, much more than you will find in the border towns, and apparently many more than are available in tj. based on the descriptions of the quality of girls working in tj, monterrey sounds like it's far superior.

in addition, compared to most of the asian foreign venues, i have found the diversity of different looks to be much better in monterrey. the asian look is very much a cookie cutter type of thing, even to the point of outfits in the go go's being exactly the same between the girls...it's all about uniformity in asia. if you like diversity, monterrey offers a diversity of ethnic looks that you will not find in asia.

i have to admit that monterrey has a lot of very hot girls. based on the horror stories i've heard about tj, the girls are not nearly as mercenary in monterrey, and the opportunity for salidas with really hot girls in monterrey far surpassed what is ultimately available in tj, or in the border towns.

plus, i also think that the health system in monterrey, the one that requires the girls to be tested on a weekly basis, can not be ignored. the potential for disease in monterrey is significantly reduced compared to other venues. that isn't a license to be careless, but it does influence "my" comfort level. some foreign venues offer no protection whatsoever, and whether or not you contract something from the girls is a lottery that some of us just can not afford to risk.

if you like strip clubs, most of the foreign venues do not permit them. indonesia, for example, is a country where that kind of exhibition is totally prohibited. the pi and thailand primarily consist of go-go's where there is no nudity on stage. you have to leave it all to your imagination until you get them back to your room to verify your hunches.

monterrey mexico has got to be the absolute strip club capital of the world, bar none. other venues have decidedly different formats. so, that one factor, the huge number of strip clubs, if you like that sort of environment, can not be over-emphasized. it is world class, imho.

in addition, the clubs of monterrey play a decent range of music compared to the techno-clatter of the asian go-go's. i complain that the music is played too loudly in the clubs of monterrey, but i am otherwise relatively satisfied with their musical selections.

plus, if you monger in monterrey...

1. you are only three hours south of the us border, in a place where your cell phone works perfectly.

2. where you are able to also conduct business during normal business hours because there isn't a huge time zone difference, such as is the case in asia, 13 hours.

3. your high speed internet connection, where available, works well in monterrey compared to it crawling in some asian venues like indonesia and the pi.

4. the selection of western food in monterrey is widely varied, cheap, and easily obtainable. they even have a wide range of us based chains to choose from, chilis, bennigan's, applebees, etc...

5. the movies in the theatres are often spoken in english with spansh subtitles.

6. the taxis are very cheap in monterrey, and they are safe. to travel between the clubs downtown, it will not cost you over about 10-20 pesos ($1-$2us).

7. the danger of being criminally victimized while walking around downtown in monterrey, walking between the clubs, up to 10 blocks or more, at 3am, is very low. try that in downtown san jose, costa rica, near the blue marlin. i have never, in five years, felt threatened on the streets of monterrey.

8. there is a wide selection of hotels, all of varying quality, price, ammenities, many us chains, many good mexican chains...all depending on your preference to be close to the action versus you own preferred comfort level.

monterrey is not a mongering venue in the strictest sense, such as what you might expect if you were to travel to thailand or the pi for example. it is a very strong adult entertainment venue that has a satisfying, but slightly complicated, comparatively subdued, mongering experience available at relatively cheap prices, with outstanding quality, compared to anything available in the us.

so, to classify monterrey in the same category as asia, or even to classify it along with a place like tj, is probably not an accurate assessment because it can have its frustrations along with it's relatively high level quality advantages.

it is not set up soley for the purpose of mongering. as i said, it's more of an adult entertainment venue where mongering is just below the surface. monterrey mongering can be as easy or as difficult as you choose to make it. it is very easy to get laid, but not as easy as in some other venues to get gfe, and perhaps not as easy to achieve the exact experience you might otherwise easily seek and obtain were you in asia, colombia, costa rica, etc...

MonterreyDude

04-06-07, 05:57

i've been reading those posts too on said "another forum".
the opinion basicly is that in mexico the girls have no sanitary notions.
opposed to sea where the girls take a bath, brush their teeth before and after.
well, one thing is tj, where all the girls are mercenaries and the hard sought gfe is almost nil or hard to be found.
that is the opposite here and at any other city that is distant from the border towns.
girls are different, you get a better treatment form them and so on...
but back to those posts about sea.
the enfasis is "clean" and "sanitary".
"clean" and "sanitary" are an absolute contradiction when bb is the norm at sea.
that is the biggest joke of those posts.
i just don't get it: they complain that mexican girls are "dirty" but bb doesn't count...
good for them... let them go to sea and star digging their grave.

i recently read a post on another site that harshly criticized tj. the post on the other site was written by a guy who formerly frequented tj. this guy took a recent trip to indonesia. according to his post, indonesia is the promised land, and tj really sucks.

i understand his comparisons with respect to price, and even possibly with respect to quality of experience when comparing indonesia to tj. but there are downsides to everything, the amount of travel time required, language barriers, health risks, cost of travel, etc...

i have never been to tj, so i don't have any direct experience to use for comparison. but, i can honestly say that upon hearing the many descriptions of tj, i don't think monterrey is in any way comparible to tj, except that the two are in mexico.

first, mexico is not comparable to some of the more notorious other venues with respect to price, and even with respect to general quality of experience. however, there are some things that are particularly convenient and seductive about monterrey, things that draw me back there, and things that sometimes cause me to wish i were in monterrey when i am elsewhere.

there are a lot of really hot girls in monterrey, much more than you will find in the border towns, and apparently many more than are available in tj. based on the descriptions of the quality of girls working in tj, monterrey sounds like it's far superior.

in addition, compared to most of the asian foreign venues, i have found the diversity of different looks to be much better in monterrey. the asian look is very much a cookie cutter type of thing, even to the point of outfits in the go go's being exactly the same between the girls...it's all about uniformity in asia. if you like diversity, monterrey offers a diversity of ethnic looks that you will not find in asia.

i have to admit that monterrey has a lot of very hot girls. based on the horror stories i've heard about tj, the girls are not nearly as mercenary in monterrey, and the opportunity for salidas with really hot girls in monterrey far surpassed what is ultimately available in tj, or in the border towns.

plus, i also think that the health system in monterrey, the one that requires the girls to be tested on a weekly basis, can not be ignored. the potential for disease in monterrey is significantly reduced compared to other venues. that isn't a license to be careless, but it does influence "my" comfort level. some foreign venues offer no protection whatsoever, and whether or not you contract something from the girls is a lottery that some of us just can not afford to risk.

if you like strip clubs, most of the foreign venues do not permit them. indonesia, for example, is a country where that kind of exhibition is totally prohibited. the pi and thailand primarily consist of go-go's where there is no nudity on stage. you have to leave it all to your imagination until you get them back to your room to verify your hunches.

monterrey mexico has got to be the absolute strip club capital of the world, bar none. other venues have decidedly different formats. so, that one factor, the huge number of strip clubs, if you like that sort of environment, can not be over-emphasized. it is world class, imho.

in addition, the clubs of monterrey play a decent range of music compared to the techno-clatter of the asian go-go's. i complain that the music is played too loudly in the clubs of monterrey, but i am otherwise relatively satisfied with their musical selections.

plus, if you monger in monterrey...

1. you are only three hours south of the us border, in a place where your cell phone works perfectly.

2. where you are able to also conduct business during normal business hours because there isn't a huge time zone difference, such as is the case in asia, 13 hours.

3. your high speed internet connection, where available, works well in monterrey compared to it crawling in some asian venues like indonesia and the pi.

4. the selection of western food in monterrey is widely varied, cheap, and easily obtainable. they even have a wide range of us based chains to choose from, chilis, bennigan's, applebees, etc...

5. the movies in the theatres are often spoken in english with spansh subtitles.

6. the taxis are very cheap in monterrey, and they are safe. to travel between the clubs downtown, it will not cost you over about 10-20 pesos ($1-$2us).

7. the danger of being criminally victimized while walking around downtown in monterrey, walking between the clubs, up to 10 blocks or more, at 3am, is very low. try that in downtown san jose, costa rica, near the blue marlin. i have never, in five years, felt threatened on the streets of monterrey.

8. there is a wide selection of hotels, all of varying quality, price, ammenities, many us chains, many good mexican chains...all depending on your preference to be close to the action versus you own preferred comfort level.

monterrey is not a mongering venue in the strictest sense, such as what you might expect if you were to travel to thailand or the pi for example. it is a very strong mongering entertainment venue that has a satisfying, but slightly complicated mongering experience available.

so, to classify monterrey in the same category as asia, or even to classify it along with a place like tj, is probably not an accurate assessment because it can have its frustrations. it is not set up soley for the purpose of mongering, but it's more of an entertainment venue where mongering is just below the surface. monterrey can be as easy or as difficult as you choose to make it. it is very easy to get laid, but not as easy as in some other venues, and perhaps not as easy to achieve the exact experience you might otherwise easily seek and obtain were you in asia.

Member #3453

04-06-07, 15:18

My experience with the girls I take on salida in Monterrey is that they are almost always very well groomed, and quite clean. Most girls will shower after sex, and sometimes they will shower before sex, but not often.

I have been in circumstances in the PI where I thought the girls themselves did not have the cleanliness level of Monterrey strip club girls. I never had any really bad ones in the PI myself, but have numerous friends that have had the relatively common bad experiences. Nobody seems to have bad experiences with cleanliness in Thailand.

I can tell you directly that the girls in Thailand are totally and completely emaculate, taking showers every five minutes if you let them...really! But, the girls of the PI are seemingly less clean than the girls in Indonesia, Cambodia, and Thailand.

With respect to actual health issues, condom use is almost non-existent in Indonesia and the PI, and it's 50/50 in Cambodia, unless of course you as a client insist. It is 50/50 in Thailand. The girls usually prefer the use of condoms but they will go bareback without much problem, and especially if they are Long Time girlfreinds, meaning more than a day or two.

With respect to Monterrey, most girls insist on condoms. They are educated by their employers to require them for their own safety, and if they catch some kind of disease they are immediately fired after having failed a weekly health check.

Since many of the clubs are owned by the same owner, being fired means they may not be able to find another job in that same string of clubs. There are probably only a couple of owners in the whole of Monterrey. So, their jobs depend on their remaining healthy.

They do not take their jobs lightly, and they are usually very conscientous. But, of course, there are exceptions, and with familiarity comes a significantly reduced amount of vigilance on their part, especially if they like you and their own passions rise beyond their ability to restrain themselves. But, most are quite strict about it otherwise, and keep a solid check on their emotional vulnerabilities that way.

I've been reading those posts too on said "another forum".
The opinion basicly is that in Mexico the girls have no sanitary notions.
Opposed to SEA where the girls take a bath, brush their teeth before and after.
Well, one thing is TJ, where all the girls are mercenaries and the hard sought GFE is almost nil or hard to be found.
That is the opposite here and at any other city that is distant from the border towns.
Girls are different, you get a better treatment form them and so on...
But back to those posts about SEA.
The enfasis is "clean" and "sanitary".
"Clean" and "sanitary" are an absolute contradiction when BB is the norm at SEA.
That is the biggest joke of those posts.
I just don't get it: they complain that Mexican girls are "dirty" but BB doesn't count...
Good for them... let them go to SEA and star digging their grave.

El Cabron 007

04-13-07, 04:17

I believe there is more to it than just finding a GFE. I believe we come to know and care for those girls to the point we sincerely love them and treat with the utmost respect that they never see with any other men, be it local or visitors. I know girls who cling on to us hoping to establish an ongoing relationship and to claim she has a boyfriend. she would be sincerely in love, not in the full sense, but to a point where she singles one man out of the crowd and pay special attention in addition to special treatment.

It is not us. It is the girls who chose to do so. We just go along for the ride and enjoy it thinking we succeeded in finding a one-in-a-million.

they brag about one of us being their boyfriend. Overlooking the age and the distance factor. Giving us special treatment and spending more time with us, sometimes without money, and getting us involved in their life outside of the clubs.

So what do you call that? GFE? No. It is their hunger for a man to call their own. some of us, like USB, me, Carlos and Mr."L" treat them just like we would treat a guest. Full respect and genuine caring. Something they are not used to and will not usually get from young studs who are there for a quickie.

Then the guilt part sets in. Just knowing we are there for the screw while they expect a possible long-term relationship. Thus an additional heart break and crumbled dreams. All adds up to a final ice queen die hard prostitute. No faith in men and no future.

One last note, I see the shower before sex is a must. Add to it that you shower them yourself ... and now use your imagination :-)

Just my 3 cents. My 2 cents are free.

Wasted - days and Wasted nights.

My experience with the girls I take on salida in Monterrey is that they are almost always very well groomed, and quite clean. Most girls will shower after sex, and sometimes they will shower before sex, but not often.
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Member #3453

04-13-07, 21:13

When it transcends GFE, and it morphs into something more than the typical GFE, it is because they have chosen us. It doesn't usually happen for very long. Usually, the girls come back to earth pretty fast when that happens. I think that the enhanced GFE has happened to me maybe three times in Monterrey over five years, and usually it only lasts a couple of months.

I must elaborate on your comment that "it is not us." In a sense it IS "us." Perhaps it's not us directly, but it's the result of the sociological effects of Mexican culture on the typical lower class bar girl. I've found that sexually and romantically, the bar girls are especially captivated by us because we are different. To a certain extent, all women seem to be especially vulnerable to men that are different than their prevailing culture. I think our being from another culture, austensibly wealthy by comparison, and well educated by comparison, etc...has a profound effect on our success. It must be some kind of instinctual female aphrodisiac worldwide. Anyway...

If we treat them well, we stand a very good chance of receiving consistently passionate, heartfelt GFE's. I have had many more than just three normal GFE's in Monterrey over five years, and most of it I attribute to my point of origin, and to the fact that I treat them differently than they are use to.

I treat them like they are my responsibility when they are with me. That is not the way most of the girls are use to being treated. The difference is, we make love to them, we care for them, we think of them when we are not with them, we treat them like regular girlfriends, cherish them, etc...we don't just fuck them...there is a huge difference between using them in a caring and concerned way, and using them as slabs of meat to the slaughter.

But, if we actually fulfill their stereotypical "Gringo in Shining Armor" fantasy, then it seems like it's not uncommon for us to enjoy an elevated treatment from them occassionally, treatment that surpasses even the normal GFE.

As you said, it is love in a sense, not in the typical sense, but almost like we are the actual embodiment of their romantic and sexual stereotypical fantasies, which I believe causes them to give more fully of themselves in order to fully experience their anticipated "fantasy man." We get a fuller measure of their sincere attention, not just sexually, but emotionally as well when we get their "enhanced" brand of GFE treatment.

In the case of my "G" girl, I am enjoying that circumstance now. But, by now, she is resolved to the reality that "legitimacy" can never really be achieved. I have explained that we can part company if the arrangement bothers her, or if she feels that I am being insincere with her. Or, we can enjoy our times together for as long as both of us want it. It has been entirely up to her. So far, she has decided to enjoy our time together rather than not, and I stick with her because she provides the enhanced GFE that is otherwise more illusive than the typical run of the mill GFE.

I can only assume that she is still sufficiently captivated, not only by the stereotypical romantic Gringo angle, but also by the support mechanism, the money, all be it relatively and comparatively modest amounts of money in comparison to the going rate for pay for play in Monterrey. So far, this arrangement has been very satisfying. But, we both know that it will come to an end eventually. It has to...it should...and it will...someday.

I believe there is more to it than just finding a GFE. I believe we come to know and care for those girls to the point we sincerely love them and treat with the utmost respect that they never see with any other men, be it local or visitors. I know girls who cling on to us hoping to establish an ongoing relationship and to claim she has a boyfriend. she would be sincerely in love, not in the full sense, but to a point where she singles one man out of the crowd and pay special attention in addition to special treatment.

It is not us. It is the girls who chose to do so. We just go along for the ride and enjoy it thinking we succeeded in finding a one-in-a-million.

they brag about one of us being their boyfriend. Overlooking the age and the distance factor. Giving us special treatment and spending more time with us, sometimes without money, and getting us involved in their life outside of the clubs.

So what do you call that? GFE? No. It is their hunger for a man to call their own. some of us, like USB, me, Carlos and Mr."L" treat them just like we would treat a guest. Full respect and genuine caring. Something they are not used to and will not usually get from young studs who are there for a quickie.

Then the guilt part sets in. Just knowing we are there for the screw while they expect a possible long-term relationship. Thus an additional heart break and crumbled dreams. All adds up to a final ice queen die hard prostitute. No faith in men and no future.

One last note, I see the shower before sex is a must. Add to it that you shower them yourself ... and now use your imagination :-)

Just my 3 cents. My 2 cents are free.

Wasted - days and Wasted nights.

Member #3453

04-14-07, 17:17

Sometimes, with respect to words like love, affection, caring, need, greed, infatuation, commitment, etc...there is so much lost in the literary definition versus the true intrinsic meaning of the words themselves that sometimes the actual concepts get lost, or misconstrued, or misunderstood. The semantics of our wording sometimes becomes the "devil in the details."

Anyway, the chicas are exactly as you describe, some exhibiting their form of "love" with varying degrees of intensity, passion, affection, etc...But, I agree with you completely that the bottom line is that few of them would hang around without the anticipated monetary enducements.

The fact is, most marriages, and/or conventional long term relationships, are not so different really. I believe there really is a thin line that separates the two. The word "commitment" is an important element in the discussion when differentiating what constitutes a legitimate relationship versus a "a little fun" with some emotional nurturing thrown into the mix.

There is no committment with these chicas, and that's the missing element in a comparison. If the committment were in place, the dynamic changes signficantly because the basic underlying motivation for all women is "Commitment," and to be taken care of. As you mentioned, if a girl can get the committment, then she potentially has the monetary support, the emotional support, and the physical nurturing that completes the circle of "Love."

But, sometimes, if we're lucky, there is the occassional girl that might actually "need" something more than just the money, something within the emotional realm. Those are the GFE's that are extraordinary, and the ones where the act is not so much an act perpetrated by them in the moment for motivational effect upon our potential to be financially generous, but born out of a combination of things, actual emotional need with subconscious, or fully conscious, monetary overtones. Those are the best GFEs of all.

The boxer Mike Tyson once said "Love? How can anyone love me when I have so much?" Now, aside from the fact that he is a lousy person overall, he did speak the truth with that statement- at least as it pertains to bar girls and "working" chicas in general.

We are certainly an oddity for the girls, a curiosity. We look different, act different and have a completely different outlook on how they are seen. The typical Mexican sees them as "trash." We don't. We are actually quite appreciative of them because we know how crappy the P4P scene in the states is.

But love? Doubtful. 99% of the chicas that choose to give us GFE see us as a ticket out, either via romantic relationship or through a series of favors that we can provide for them. Many Mexicans of the lower class seek to be friendly with us gringos because we can be a huge asset for them. We are a lifeline to another world, a world where there is more money, more opportunity, better quality products, etc...

I used to feel pangs of guilt for feeding into the industry that is "exploiting" the girls that I care for. I don't anymore because, through years of practical experience, I have found out that they are trying to use us a lot more than we try to use them. I don't mean to sound negative because I am absolutely in love with most of Mexico. However, you must be realistic in the fact that what Mike Tyson said was right. We have so much in comparison to many working girls. How can someone really love us when we have what they so desperately need; and how can we really love them when we know this? It's like if we were standing in the desert with a cup of cold water and a woman, dying of thirst, approached us. She would be looking at the cup of water and not at us, no matter how charming and respectful we are. We could see how much relief we are giving her and how happy she is while drinking the water, but we can't mistake that for love or even affection. I guess what I'm trying to say is that despite our best efforts, it is only natural for the chicas to see us more in terms of what we can give them and not how we are. And, if we are great people, all the better- just the goal for them is to see what they can get from us.

This is not to say that, over time, one can't make a decent relationship with a working chica. it just means that it would be very difficult and you could never be sure if she was with you for you or for what you can provide. It's the reason so many famous, rich celebrities choose to be with prostitutes when they can go to any club and bed practically any girl they want. It's because these guys know that they are the "prize" and love is put way on the back burner.

Take these working chicas in Mexico and offer them nothing other than your respect and charm, and see how long they'll stay. Take away the money, the gifts, the food and the future possibilty of benefit and 99.9% of these chicas would be gone in sec. That's not love.

So, have fun, and be cool. Respect all, but trust none.

Mill

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MonterreyDude

04-15-07, 07:14

I don't agree with this part of MJ assesment:

"The typical Mexican sees them as "trash." We don't. We are actually quite appreciative of them because we know how crappy the P4P scene in the states is."

What is this?

MJ might mean it, but in his singular self, but it is not absolute. What he says is not the universal rule... on the contrary, it is Americans that see the girls as total trash.... come on, please I am part of many forums and I have read the posts.
I have read expert mongers, frequent travelers, and newbies call the girls "putas" time and time again, in all the full sense of the ofending word.
BUT on the contrary, WOW!!!!, they refere to the girls on SEA, as godesses.
Just because they are cheaper and because they get a better GFE from them.

No no no no... you guys are trying to interpret wrongly a natural order of things here in Mexico and I have told people like Wasted and USB and many others that the girls working as prostitutes are low on the scale of our society.
Contrary to the hypocritical socity in the USA, where prostitution can not exist, but tolerates all other excesses like drug consumption, my society at least see prostitutes as a needed evil, one that will allow them to try to get out of the pit where they are stuck.
We are using them????
We are PAYING them, THEY are using US, God you are so blind that you don't get the fundamentals of prostitution.... if you don't want to feel offended, don't come down here any more or you'll hurt your new-found sensibilities.
You have fallen into the biggest trap of prostitution... you don't see it?

I accept MJ's assesment cause he live in Morelia and he is now a local boy that has been absorbed by the night life. He understand totally now what is going on.

But that part that only Americans are the know-it-all in girls and prostitution in Mexico is really out of line.

Am going to confess that this is the first time Iam discontent with my friends Wasted and USB.

You are thinking on the line of soul searching and redemption, personal and third parties, when the subject here is total and unadulterated sex....

Beautiful observation and damm correct.

I recommended your post to the whatchamacallit thingy, reports of distinction. You translated the scene much better than I did. But the addition of the fact that they are using us more than we are using them is something I did not think about when it came the selected few girls that I see in them clubs.

I recall I was taking out money from an ATM once to pay one of the girls when the stupid ATM showed my balance even though I selected not to "print a receipt". The girl managed to catch it and I watched her freeze for a split second. It was too late to hide it. She did not say a word and I wished she never saw it. Reminded me of when I was having a nice dinner at a nice San Francisco restaurant on Van Ness Ave by the opera house once when a homeless man on the sidewalk stopped and looked at me through the window while I was eating.

I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

Wasted

Member #3453

04-15-07, 14:21

Carlos,

First, you always tell me that I elevate the status of the girls too much in my mind, that I mistakenly regard them as one would regard a "good girl." Many times you have instructed me to regard our MTY girls as the equivalent to our "trailer trash" in the US. Those have been your exact words. So, that is the first instance of your contradiction. They can not be "Trailer Trash" as I define the term, and not also be "Trash" within the Mexican definition as well.

You regularly tell me that if I am seen on the arm of one of these girls, that the Mexicans will know she is trash simply because of her ethnic appearance, and because she is on the arm of a Gringo, and especially if she is on the arm of mature (but young at heart :-)...) Gringo.

If the girls of MTY are the equivalent to our "Trailer Trash," then the character of a typical MTY bar girl, who is austensibly "trailer trash," is as I have always envisioned them being, of the same class as our trailer trash in the US. But, honestly, they are so much better than our trailer trash that I view the girls of MTY as being a notch above our trailer trash, maybe several notches...really, there is NO comparison.

"YOUR" trailer trash typically looks, and acts, a damn site better than "OUR" trailer trash. So, I fail to see where there is any ethnic prejudice in our comparisons. We are saying that the Mexican trailer trash is far superior to the US trailer trash, and it has nothing to do with money.

Upon making this distinction, and as a result of intimately knowing signficant numbers of "trailer trash" here in the US through my professional dealings, I can tell you that I appreciate your trailer trash a lot more than mine.

What is that old saying..."One man's trash is another man's treasure." Your Mexicanas are my treasure in comparison, verdad?

Carlos said,

"Contrary to the hypocritical socity in the USA, where prostitution can not exist, but tolerates all other excesses like drug consumption, my society at least see prostitutes as a needed evil, one that will allow them to try to get out of the pit where they are stuck."

Who is disagreeing with you? I wish we had NO PROSTITUTION LAWS here in the US. It would make things infinitely easier than to fly thousands of miles to MTY. Plus, our government spends a huge amount of law enforcement tax money, and police manpower, collaring prostitutes and their Johns. But, that is infinitely easier to accomplish for them than to actually fight violent criminals and the drug cartels. Frankly, I am surprised Prostitution is not legal here. There is big money in it, the clubs, the entertainment, the buffets....oh, whoa is me...whoa is me.

Carlos said,

"I have read expert mongers, frequent travelers, and newbies call the girls "putas" time and time again, in all the full sense of the ofending word.
BUT on the contrary, WOW!!!!, they refere to the girls on SEA, as godesses.
Just because they are cheaper and because they get a better GFE from them."

It may appear through the ineffectual use of "words," and misunderstood semantics, that the posters are referring to Mexican girls with a lesser degree of respect than they are referring to the girls of SEA. But, believe me, they are all thought of as putas.

It's just that the wording used is different because the actual words within those other languages are different. I can't tell you how many guys describe to me the girls of Asia as the equivalent to our "Hicks" here in the US, meaning that the girls are farm girls, uneducated, unsophisticated, lacking proper manners, etc..some of which is merely the vast cultural difference between East and West.

But, bottom line is, the guys think of all of them as "putas." There is no intended predjudice meant in their choice of words to describe what we all know they are. The curious thing is, there are many girls working those bars in MTY that do not consider themselves "putas," when by every definition, almost all males, from any culture, would classify them as such. That is a very strange and curious sociological aspect of Mexican sociology that I have yet to fully comprehend.

If the guys post more positively about the virtues of the SEA experience compared to the Mexico experience, it is purely based on superior performance criteria, both in performance and with respect to price, and not upon ethnically based prejudicial assessments. There is a significantly better experience to be had in Asia with respect to the average overall GFE per experience. That has nothing to do with an ethnic prejudice. It is merely a judgement based on performance.

Plus, many of those guys posting about Asia, get GFE with little or no discernable effort. It is like falling off a log there. In Mexico, GFE IS definiely available. I can attest to having experienced GFE in Mexico that compares in quality to that which is available in Asia. But, it requires work in Mexico, a LOT of work, and significantly more money in comparison.

Most of those guys posting about the virtues of Asia are doing so because they are getting superior performance without all the hassles and headaches associated with procuring the same level of GFE in Mexico. They are lazy mongers, and most of them do not put the effort into the Mexico experience, not enough effort to sufficiently experience what is possible in Mexico.

The effort required in Mexico to achieve GFE that is equal to the performance that's attainable in Asia, requires one to think of the girls beyond the "puta" description, and to treat them accordingly, an effort that is not necessary in Asia. So, IMHO, while the "puta" description might be an accurate one, and while the actual realization that she is a puta should not be discounted, the treatment of the girls in Mexico will NOT yield GFE until the monger modifies his treatment of a Mexican "puta" to the point of making her feel like a woman, and not a "puta." In my very humble opinion, that IS the secret to procuring GFE in Mexico...a lot of frickin' work.

Carlos says...

"Am going to confess that this is the first time I am discontent with my friends Wasted and USB."

I am always going to be a guy who "cares for" the girls with a measure of sentimentality. It is just my inner makeup. I can't help it. That doesn't mean, however, that I am going to be stupid about them either. I care for them, but like WastedG, only to a point. If they start to ask me for loans, their requests fall on deaf ears.

I am very cheap when the girls start to see me as an ATM machine. They better be delivering the goods my way, if money is going to change hands, or I will drop them, and fast...unless, I am enjoying their company, and then they might get a drink or two out of me, but no more.

My "G" girl knows what she has to do, and how she must act, and she knows just how much that might yield for her in regalos, money, etc...I prefer to believe that she is not acting, but I am totally aware that she probably is. But it doesn't really matter. I am only in Monterrey once a month, and the overall meaning doesn't have any kind of lasting significance with respect to my real life back home. But, my satisfaction, act or not, is the bottom line for her. She knows her compensation is not a lot either way, so if she delivers the goods with sincerity, then I am much happier. She knows I am a reliable ATM, but a relatively empty one :-) and she is ok with that. It makes the whole GFE thing much more enjoyable.

That is what keeps me coming back to her. She is more sincere than any bar girl I have met anywhere in the world, and she proves it to me with what she is willing to accept from me in regalos and money, and with respect to the time she spends with me in exchange for relatively modest amounts of both.

It occurs to me that maybe I should travel to the interior of Mexico, perhaps to Morelia, and patronize the austensibly poorer classes of girls there, versus the ridiculously wealthy bar girls of Monterrey? Hummmmmm, maybe so. Afterall, you have told me that my "G" girl is from the poorer ethnic classes. I might be like a Gringo Dan Juan in a smaller Mexican city somewhere...

The things that I do that appear to be stupid with respect to which girls I patronize in MTY, and how I spend my money on them, etc...are not mongering blunders, nor should they be considered as such. They merely illustrate our differences in expectation, and in our respective mongering styles. Plus, Carlos, you can not argue with my results if I can sincerely express that I am happy with the way things are these days.

Afterall, I am the one who has to be satisfied with my Monterrey experience after having puked huge sums of money to travel to Monterrey to begin with. So, as long as I am happy with the situation there now, I don't see how my changing my tactics will make me happier.

But, I am totally open to hearing your advice when I come to Monterrey next Saturday. You can slap me around, and try to convince me...you have a whole week in which to make me see your point of view :-)

I don't agree with this part of MJ assesment:

"The typical Mexican sees them as "trash." We don't. We are actually quite appreciative of them because we know how crappy the P4P scene in the states is."

What is this?

MJ might mean it, but in his singular self, but it is not absolute. What he says is not the universal rule... on the contrary, it is Americans that see the girls as total trash.... come on, please I am part of many forums and I have read the posts.

No no no no... you guys are trying to interpret wrongly a natural order of things here in Mexico and I have told people like Wasted and USB and many others that the girls working as prostitutes are low on the scale of our society.
Contrary to the hypocritical socity in the USA, where prostitution can not exist, but tolerates all other excesses like drug consumption, my society at least see prostitutes as a needed evil, one that will allow them to try to get out of the pit where they are stuck.
We are using them????
We are PAYING them, THEY are using US, God you are so blind that you don't get the fundamentals of prostitution.... if you don't want to feel offended, don't come down here any more or you'll hurt your new-found sensibilities.
You have fallen into the biggest trap of prostitution... you don't see it?

I accept MJ's assesment cause he live in Morelia and he is now a local boy that has been absorbed by the night life. He understand totally now what is going on.

But that part that only Americans are the know-it-all in girls and prostitution in Mexico is really out of line.

Am going to confess that this is the first time Iam discontent with my friends Wasted and USB.

You are thinking on the line of soul searching and redemption, personal and third parties, when the subject here is total and unadulterated sex....

El Cabron 007

04-15-07, 18:25

I am not one to classify anyone as "trash". Before I can judge anyone, I will have to judge myself first. No Carlos. That was not and will never be part of my observation.

I am not apologizing simply because that was not what I was referring to even if it was part of the post I responded to.

My treatment and my respect for the girls show and confirm the above. I love those girls and sympathies with them. They are down on their luck. The whole world can call them "trash" but I will not.

Wasted.

Member #3453

04-16-07, 03:04

Some are down on their luck, and some are not. Some are merely willing to do things that most other women in Mexico would not consider doing, even when they are in desperate circumstances. I believe that most of the girls we patronize are willing to do whatever they can to get as much as they can out of us.

Carlos' use of the word "trailer trash" was not a commentary on his own opinion of them specifically, but to draw parallels so that I would relate to the potential character that might be inherent in most of the girls. I know that Carlos does have compassion and sympathy for them just as we do, but I also know that his decisions are not influenced by what they say and do.

In that respect, making a judgement about someone's character is neccessary in life. It is not a judgement made to judge them, but a judgement made to determine our reaction to what they might say and do. That is the difference between judging someone morally, and judging someone so that you, yourself, are not taken advantage of.

Carlos' illustration to me five years ago, that I should consider them as "trailer trash," was for my own protection, so I don't elevate them in status, and so I should realize that most are out to get everything they can out of me. He offered that advice to spare me from making too many costly mistakes, financially and emotionally, and not as a derogatory comment on them morally as individuals.

Because the girls seem so much better than the girls we have in the US that are of the same category, I had a tendency to be blinded by them. I didn't sometimes recognize the girls for what many of them are because they come across to me much differently than our girls of the same general category in the US.

I also sympathize and care about what happens to the ones that are special to me. I would not term those girls to be "trash." I appreciate them a lot.

But the real question is, how does their society categorize them...

The word "trash" sounds harsh when applied to the girls I am especially fond of. But, none-the-less, if they are aware that by making the choices they make, they are accepting the ridicule of Mexican society, which apparently does classify them as "trash," then, they are fully aware of the consequence of their decisions, and they themselves endorse the definition that is placed upon them by others within their own society. It's the price they are willing to pay, a revealing glimpse into the content of their character, one that seperates them from the rest of Mexican society.

But, I also think, that for some of these girls, Mexican society has labeled them "trash" merely based on their ethnic heritage, which is primarily a matter of skin color and indian ancestory. So, for many of them, I believe they have concluded that Mexican society deems them to be "trash" to begin with, regardless of the content of their character, and/or their range of activities. So, I believe that many of our girls figure they have nothing to lose.

Mexican society, while having negative opinions of the girls for what they do, permits that industry to flourish. That is an enlightened viewpoint, and one we in the US would be better off acknowledging in the future versus our continued prohibition of that activity.

I am not one to classify anyone as "trash". Before I can judge anyone, I will have to judge myself first. No Carlos. That was not and will never be part of my observation.

I am not apologizing simply because that was not what I was referring to even if it was part of the post I responded to.

My treatment and my respect for the girls show and confirm the above. I love those girls and sympathies with them. They are down on their luck. The whole world can call them "trash" but I will not.

Wasted.

Member #3453

04-16-07, 12:48

I can't tell you the numbers of girls that have wanted to remain in my hotel room because it was so much nicer than their normal living environment, and my hotel room is not plush.

I am always amazed by their comments to me when they come into my hotel room, a room that I would term as very modest, one that is actually so small that you have a hard time walking around the end of the bed.

But, the beds are quite comfortable, and the air conditioning is good. Sometimes it becomes quite evident that they are content just to remain nestled under the covers, where they would just as soon spend the rest of the day if permitted to do so.

Add-in any additional enhancements to the environment that we as aspiring "Don Juans" might add into the mix, good music, tequilla, wine, chocolates, cookies, and on, and on, and, on...and it becomes quite evident that the girls figure that staying put is probably a damn site better than the rest of what they had planned for an otherwise routinely boring and tiresome day. :-)

Another HUGE aphrodisiac is "SHOPPING." I have known so many girls that have seemingly just falling head over heals in "love" if you merely take them shopping. You don't even have to buy anything. It is like they long for a man that will go shopping with them, to tag along, to comment on things with them... to share the experience. I am always amazed how this simple little act of going with them is seemingly so important to them emotionally.

And, with some girls, if you buy them stuff, even cheap trinkety little crap, while you are out together shopping with them, even if it is relatively modest amounts of stuff, even if you consider it as part of their compensation, they are totally and completely IMPRINTED on you forever.

I had another Thai girl, a real sweety, one that I took to a mall one day in Pattaya. She bought a pair of shoes and a shirt. It probably cost me about $30US that day. Typically, in those days, you could get a Thai girl todo la noche for about the same amount of money, 28 bucks to be exact. She was a HOT stripper in one of the bars in Pattaya, Thailand. I still paid her the normal fee for her time, but she came away with a day at the mall, something that absolutely impressed her beyond normal male comprehension. I could tell she absolutely loved going shopping. She told me at the end of the day how much she loved spending the day with me shopping. That was five years ago. She still text messages me to this day, asking me when I am coming back.

And, it does not happen just in Mexico. This has happened to me countless times in other venues Worldwide. I had countless girls that showed up at the hotel in Colombia just to track me down. I believe it was for the money, of course, but they are just as pleased to spend the night in a condo, and in a good bed, with strong air con, in a place that is hotter than hades all year around. So, they figure they are better off in a place that is comparative luxury for them.

It just goes to illustrate what might be motivating them to hang around with us when they would otherwise be gone like a shot were we occupying a place similiar to their own living environment, and/or not paying attention to them beyond the sex act itself.

We are sometimes not aware, especially as Gringos, about how the fulfillment of their most basic needs motivates them in ways that we might easily misinterpret as "love" and "affection" from them.

But, a well feathered nest is what keeps them relatively happy in the legitimate life, so I guess it should not be so surprising that our girls might also be interested in hanging around with us beyond the normal range of time for the same kinds of reasons, especially if they are fond of us to begin with.

LOL. That reminds me of the time I brought a young "lady" back to my apartment. She got a glimpse of my pad in an exclusive area, my satellite dish, all the appliances, etc. And she offered me as much sex for as long as possible. Against my better judgement, I let her stay the night because she was such a hottie and in the morning she didn't want to leave. I practically had to push her out the door. Then she began to cry. She was crying about her lousy life and how I had so much. She wanted to know what it was like to live in comfort and she said that she would stay in my apt. While I was working so that she could clean. She promised to leave when I came back. It was about a 30 minute affair and I eventually had to literally push her from my building. Now, I forgot to mention that she was almost half naked while this confrontation was going on. Needless to say, my neighbors never treated me the same way again.

Member #3453

04-16-07, 23:52

I don't generally refer to anyone as trash. It simply is not really part of my regular vocabulary, unless I am using it to make a point, or to conduct a philosophical discussion, just as racial slurs are also not a part of my vocabulary.

But, I must admit that I have been in circumstances where if I am thinking of someone as "trash," they have usually displayed behavor that makes them quite worthy of that description. It's not a socio-economic or racial thing with me. I firmly believe there IS trash in the world. Just come to my part of the world and I will introduce you to some of them. But, of course, I am not so naive as to believe that my particular part of the world has a disproportionate number of them in comparison to anywhere else.

There is an old saying that says "You can't buy class." Meaning that class is born of one's behavior, and not a product of social position and/or wealth. I don't really think that wealth or social position is neccessarily a criteria for determining the status of individuals we come in contact with (ie: Trash vs. Class).

There are many in the World that would just as soon stick a knife in your back than to look you straight in the eye. Conversely, there are many more that have faced significant hardships in their lives that would give you the shirts off their backs rather than to "routinely" resort to the kinds of behavior that benefit themselves at the expense of others. I imagine this distinction is the same in Mexico as it is in the US, keeping in mind that it is always easier to remain virtuous when one is rich and comfortable than when one is poor and hurting.

IMHO, our girls, depending on their individual personalities of course, fall somewhere between the two categories. Some are worse than others, some much worse...

But, generally, the behavior of the girls is sufficiently covert that I sometimes give them a greater benefit of the doubt than I should, or would, were I dealing with a Gringa. I give them, because of their personalities, in comparison to the typical Gringa, significantly more latitude in making such judgements that would categorize them negatively.

regardless of their socio-economic level, choice of profession, education level, etc is trash. All of us, born of mothers and red of blood are equals. It's just that some of us were dealt better hands in life. But all of us, from the very richest to the very poorest are doing what we can, what's within our power to make this world a little better for us.

Doubt98

04-23-07, 18:37

Violence is a part of any city. The drug trade is fueling a majority of this. I have changed my view of recreational drug use "not harming anyone" after watching Nuevo Laredo lose it's tourist traffic. Alot of hardworking merchants lost thier shops because of "recreational drug use" created a market which people are willing to kill to protect.

But, as far as Virginia Tech. That was a gun free zone. It was illegal for a gun to be on campus. Same with the drug lords in Mexico. Those are not legal guns. But, back to Virginia Tech. It wasn't that he had a gun, it was he had the ONLY gun. One armed teacher or student could have stopped or slowed the killings until the police could take over.

I know it is a silly sound bite but "if guns are illegal only criminals will have guns."

Member #3453

04-23-07, 20:15

The fact that there are more incidents of drug on drug criminal killings wouldn't normally cause me much additional concern. However, with innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire, it suggests the mentality of the shooters is careless and unprofessional.

For that reason, I doubt that an armed citizenry would really have much effect on this kind of violent crime because it strikes without warning. It's not predictable with respect to the location of the crime scene, nor are there mutiple killings taking place where large groups of law abiding citizens are being killed by people with superior firepower. The element of surprise is what is making these victims, criminals themselves, succomb to their killers. I imagine many of the victims are themselves armed as well, and that the killings are being pulled off with an element of surprise.

However, that having been said, I totally support the right of the people to have firearms for personal protection, on their person, provided they are properly trained and can pass a thorough background investigation to determine competence and mental stability. I also believe that people wishing to possess a firearm should be required to submit to background investigations to rule out any criminal or domestic violence behaviors that might be in their past history.

With respect to my time here in Monterrey, I've tried to heighten my awareness of my surroundings. But, it should be noted that an increase in street crime is not really what's going on, so I really have no sense that anything has changed with respect to my walking the streets of downtown Monterrey at 3am. From what I can tell, nothing has changed with respect to my feeling safe from random street crime...

So, I really I don't have a sense as to what one can do to improve their chances of survival with respect to drug killings, short of staying in your hotel room, which is what I am perfectly content in doing with my "G" girl.

The thing to remember in circumstances like this is that with this kind of random violence, you really can't forecast where that violence might actually occur. It's hard to guess where lightening is going to strike, and the statistical chances of actually being struck by lightening, even if you stand outside during a bad storm, is very small.

So, IMHO, there is really very little you can do to prepare for it were you to find yourself in the circumstance where such a danger exists, other than to have a heightened sensitivity to potential danger. I can tell you that some of the killings are taking place in public places, places where you would normally feel totally safe, such as if you were just stopping into a 7-11 for a pack of gum or something.

In that situation, maybe just a deliberate effort at heightening your own awareness of your surroundings, looking into a place before you enter, checking the crowds around you, gauging the demeanor of groups of hombres that are in your midst, etc...that's about all you can do. But, to draw a parallel, it's the same as you might also try to do by staying inside to avoid being struck by lightening during a storm. But, at some point we ALL have to go out, verdad?

The clubs themselves seem to be pretty safe. I have noticed some subtle increased attention at the door to the clubs, patting down patrons for potential weapons. But, they've always done that. And generally, even before the violence started, and following the police raids, there were never any incidents of the police finding firearms, and very few, if any, drugs.

Fact is, I actually feel safer in the clubs than on the streets at this point, simply because you can not predict where the violence is going to take place when you're going about your routine business in the streets. It's kind of like any major US city is now, only I think it actually seems safer. In the US cities, you also have to worry not only about drug war activity, and the crime gangs having shoot outs fighting it out over turf wars, but you also have significants amounts of street crime to contend with, something that seems as though it's almost non-existent in Monterrey.

I decided that I should really start to worry when I see the street crime statistics starting to rise, such as to a level that is so common in places like Rio, or the barrios of Cartegena, or downtown San Jose, Costa Rica, or downtown Angeles City, Philippines. Compared to those places, Monterrey is still very safe for the average guy wanting to visit the clubs, and street crime is not even an issue here in Monterrey.

Plus, to understand why things are so safe for us, the police presence in downtown Monterrey really has a huge effect on street crime. I think they do a great job at creating a relatively safe environment within the footprint that we normally travel in order to visit all the clubs in downtown Monterrey. I think I might actually feel less safe in other areas where the police presence may not be so concentrated. In downtown Monterrey, the cops have a lid on it.

Let me add a couple of things here.
Also included in a previous advisory is the State of Michoacan where Mill Just posts...
I would like to know if that fact has altered the way of life in Morelia, where MJ lives, or has he in any way detered Americans going his way?
If you check his posts in his section, he doesn't even mention what goes on over there, cause in reality, yes there is violence going on, but not where one threads along.
Same thing happens here in Monterrey, a city of 3.9 million so spread out that some of the executions happen more than 30 minutes away form where I live.
And no, NO Americans have been targeted, no civilians either, but unfortunatly in the 5 months of drug wars here, 3 innocent bystanders have been shot and bought the farm.
Which by the way is considerable less than the 32 shot dead at Virginia Tech in a single hour.
What is happening here is what Bugsy Siegel once said: "we only kill our selves" and that is precisly what is going on.
Every single one of the people killed was in one way or another related to drug traffic, drug sale or drug transport.
Let me tell you people that in no way this has stopped me from doing my club night rounds twice a week, or from doing the afternoon clubs either.
Let me also tell you that since the kilings started, not a single day has my wife told me "be careful out there", not a single one nor do we fear for our lives in general.
(Contrary to living in a country where people are allow by law to bear arms)
Ok, am a local partial to Monterrey.
Let us wait for our good friend Unspongebob to place his most recent trip report here... let's see what he has to say.

Necho

04-23-07, 22:45

Select "Add New Message" to post a message.Hi,

I'm a newbie to this forum.

I live in Monterrey.

There's a lot of info in this forum!

MonterreyDude

04-24-07, 00:00

Maybe the Mexican State Department should issue a warning for those traveling to Philadelphia in the USA:
This is just an example of why the State Department can't just issue warnings just like that, when there are places within the USA that are far worse than any city in Mexico.
Of course nothing can be compared to Rio de Janerio, where they've had 1300 murders (!!!) just this year.

Philly struggles with rising murder rate
By KATHY MATHESON, Associated Press Writer
PHILADELPHIA - A bloody, bullet-filled weekend left 11 people dead across the city, where drugs and disrespect have trumped brotherly love and the murder rate is on pace to be the highest in a decade.
Philadelphia has seen more than one killing a day this year, totaling 127 as of Monday afternoon. New York, Chicago and Los Angeles — whose populations are much larger than Philadelphia's 1.5 million residents — have had fewer homicides this year.
Do something!" District Attorney Lynne Abraham admonished Mayor John Street at one news conference.
Abraham and others have criticized Street for a perceived lack of urgency in responding to violence that killed 406 city residents last year — a nine-year high.

The fact that there are more incidents of drug on drug criminal killings wouldn't normally cause me much additional concern. However, with innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire, it suggests the mentality of the shooters is careless and unprofessional.

For that reason, I doubt that an armed citizenry would really have much effect on this kind of violent crime because it strikes without warning. It's not predictable with respect to the location of the crime scene, nor are there mutiple killings taking place where large groups of law abiding citizens are being killed by people with superior firepower. The element of surprise is what is making these victims, criminals themselves, succomb to their killers. I imagine many of the victims are themselves armed as well, and that the killings are being pulled off with an element of surprise.

However, that having been said, I totally support the right of the people to have firearms for personal protection, on their person, provided they are properly trained and can pass a thorough background investigation to determine competence and mental stability. I also believe that people wishing to possess a firearm should be required to submit to background investigations to rule out any criminal or domestic violence behaviors that might be in their past history.

With respect to my time here in Monterrey, I've tried to heighten my awareness of my surroundings. But, it should be noted that an increase in street crime is not really what's going on, so I really have no sense that anything has changed with respect to my walking the streets of downtown Monterrey at 3am. From what I can tell, nothing has changed with respect to my feeling safe from random street crime...

So, I really I don't have a sense as to what one can do to improve their chances of survival with respect to drug killings, short of staying in your hotel room, which is what I am perfectly content in doing with my "G" girl.

The thing to remember in circumstances like this is that with this kind of random violence, you really can't forecast where that violence might actually occur. It's hard to guess where lightening is going to strike, and the statistical chances of actually being struck by lightening, even if you stand outside during a bad storm, is very small.

So, IMHO, there is really very little you can do to prepare for it were you to find yourself in the circumstance where such a danger exists, other than to have a heightened sensitivity to potential danger. I can tell you that some of the killings are taking place in public places, places where you would normally feel totally safe, such as if you were just stopping into a 7-11 for a pack of gum or something.

In that situation, maybe just a deliberate effort at heightening your own awareness of your surroundings, looking into a place before you enter, checking the crowds around you, gauging the demeanor of groups of hombres that are in your midst, etc...that's about all you can do. But, to draw a parallel, it's the same as you might also try to do by staying inside to avoid being struck by lightening during a storm. But, at some point we ALL have to go out, verdad?

The clubs themselves seem to be pretty safe. I have noticed some subtle increased attention at the door to the clubs, patting down patrons for potential weapons. But, they've always done that. And generally, even before the violence started, and following the police raids, there were never any incidents of the police finding firearms, and very few, if any, drugs.

Fact is, I actually feel safer in the clubs than on the streets at this point, simply because you can not predict where the violence is going to take place when you're going about your routine business in the streets. It's kind of like any major US city is now, only I think it actually seems safer. In the US cities, you also have to worry not only about drug war activity, and the crime gangs having shoot outs fighting it out over turf wars, but you also have significants amounts of street crime to contend with, something that seems as though it's almost non-existent in Monterrey.

I decided that I should really start to worry when I see the street crime statistics starting to rise, such as to a level that is so common in places like Rio, or the barrios of Cartegena, or downtown San Jose, Costa Rica, or downtown Angeles City, Philippines. Compared to those places, Monterrey is still very safe for the average guy wanting to visit the clubs, and street crime is not even an issue here in Monterrey.

Plus, to understand why things are so safe for us, the police presence in downtown Monterrey really has a huge effect on street crime. I think they do a great job at creating a relatively safe environment within the footprint that we normally travel in order to visit all the clubs in downtown Monterrey. I think I might actually feel less safe in other areas where the police presence may not be so concentrated. In downtown Monterrey, the cops have a lid on it.

Member #3453

04-24-07, 22:47

Welcome Necho...

As someone living in Monterrey, are you acquainted with the various clubs and massage parlors? If so, I am interested in hearing which are your favorite clubs and massage parlors, and why. I know my own preferences, and the preferences of others that are regulars to Monterrey, but sometimes it's good to hear another perspective.

Hi,

I'm a newbie to this forum.

I live in Monterrey.

There's a lot of info in this forum!

Member #3453

04-25-07, 14:05

I bar fined a new girl last night. This new girl is 20 years old, cute face, and she has a sexy flaca body, shaved, hard bodied, solid, rock hard, abs, everything just like I like it. She later told me that she has only been on the job for a year, and that she was on temporary assignment in Givenchy. She normally works the night shift at El Infinito.

First, one thing to keep in mind about selecting night shift girls in the lower end bars like El Infinito, Givenchy, El Cielo, Matehuala, versus afternoon girls, is that my experience is that the afternoon girls have much sweeter, GFE kinds of personalities, than the girls working the night shifts. I don't know why this is, but because of it, lately, at least over the last couple of years, I've avoided bar fining girls from the night shift. I am changing that strategy because I want to sample what the night shifts have to offer, and I concluded that perhaps I should keep all of my options open.

One thing I noticed in particular, for example, was a profound personality change in "Angry Girl" when she moved from the afternoon shift to the night shift. I noticed a pointed difference in her attitude, a personality change, a coldness, a totally pro attitude, etc...one that was not there formerly when she worked the afternoon shift. I don't know what to attribute this distinction to other than perhaps the late hours make them much crabbier, much more hardened due to their biological clocks being off, perhaps the crowds of men are much more mercenary to them...I don't really know why it would result in such a noticeable difference, but there are different kinds of girls on the night shifts versus the afternoon shift.

Anyway, to continue with respect to my new girl last night...

I tried doing my due diligence first...I tried her out in the privados, and she was really quite good. I know that others might have advised me to try her out the in privados first over the course of several visits on different days, but I have little time when I'm here, and I sometimes have to make quick decisions in order to maximize my time here in exchange for the cost of traveling to Monterrey. If I had more time, I might possibly be able to melt the ice a little. But, time is a luxury I do not have. So, I have to make snap decisions that many times result in my initial disappointment, which is moderately the case in this instance. But, honestly, I am comparing this initial session to ones that far surpass it, and ones that I have cultivated over the years, hopefully endearing myself to certain ones of them that give me a GFE kind of experience. So, I am not passing judgement on this one just yet.

I had sensed a kind of pro attitude from her in the privados, but if her performance in the privados was any indication of her potential, I decided I would overlook the quasi mechanical, but HOT, HOT, HOT treatment she was giving me otherwise. So, I bar fined her to complete my research.

She made all the right kinds of responses in the room, but in the final analysis, I sensed just too much of a hardened professional attitude from her for me to rave about her performance this first time. I would rate her a 7 for that reason, instead of a 9 or 10. She has real good potential if I could just get a better GFE response from her. I have resolved myself to working on her. But, I suspect she may not possess the sweetness that I find so alluring.

First, lets address the perverbial wall...The cold ones have a wall they almost all throw up there to protect themselves from their own vulnerabilities. The thicker the wall, the colder they are. This one was luke warm, sometimes cold, sometimes HOT, but she really displayed very little sweetness, something that I have ultimately discovered about myself and my own preferences, something I really like in a girl.

I liked my time with her in the moment very much because I could feel the doors of the perverbial wall coming off their hinges, but she doesn't really give an intense GFE that transcends the act itself, extending into the downtime spent with me. Frankly, the GFE is what is experienced in the downtime. Even the coldest ones are usually good in the moment because the wall usually begins to fade in the passions of the moment. She has a personality that once the passion is over, she has kind of a cold, hardened demeanor, and sweetness isn't seemingly a part of her personality.

I think I have become very, very picky these days, and I recognize my attitude as being picky. I don't really know what's happening to me, but I sense that I have established a criteria for them that I don't believe most Mexican girls are going to be able to live up to. They are going to have to either adore "ME," have exceptional people skills, be sweet as pie, or I'm going to have to invest significant amounts of time and money in penetrating the natural wall that so many of them have, and exposing a sweetness that may not really even be there to begin with.

As a side note, many of the girls working the low end clubs have very few people skills. That's why they work the low end bars...they don't like talking with customers, and many of them can't turn on the charm. If all they have to do is go into the privados, they can grind on your lap and do nothing else otherwise, maybe deliver the goods in a mechanical sense, but otherwise not much else. But, they don't have the selling ability that medium level bar girls need and generally seem to have in order to extract money in drinks from their clients. All the low end bar girls have to do is stand/dance on stage, and they have their 25 pesos/privado, and if they make quota, they get their salary too. Obviously, they can effect their income within the privados if they are skilled, but that doesn't translate easily to a girl actually being a good escort, which is really what a bar fine is all about, IMHO.

But, conversely, if you choose to bar fine from the medium level clubs, where many of the girls do have a charming personality, you will end up paying 30-40% more. So, that's the real dilemma. You only have a few, good low end bars to choose from, and if you can't find what you're looking for there, it's going to cost you more to actually find a true pro, one that can turn on the charm, and deliver the goods, versus some of the cold, callus types that have very little ability with respect to people skills. But, the sweetness aspect can not be under estimated as the most important part of my own personal criteria.

With some of the low end bar girls, I sense a hardness, a lack of sweetness there, a lacking trait that turns me off to repeating with some of them. Were it not for my admitedly harsh standards, some of them that might otherwise be perfectly acceptable to most, are not acceptable to me, and they suffer in their ultimate assessment as a result, especially on the initial bar fine.

But, just like in the case of this girl last night, even when her performance in the moment was really pretty stimulating for me, I could sense that before and afterwards, the wall that limits the GFE was firmly in place. She performed well in every way, all the right "oooos" and "ahhhhhhs out of her for apparently legitimate, sincerely felt, stimulating effect, etc...But, the sweetness aspect may not be part of her "real" demeanor anyway. Que Lastima...

But, my sensing that the "wall" was firmly in place takes some of the "fun" out of the experience. My sensing the "wall," which transmits a pro, cold attitude, has a tendency for me to downgrade their performance compared to some others I might prefer, ones that have no wall established between us, or ones where my own effort has, perhaps over time, broken down the wall of resistance.

Many of them have that wall firmly in place to protect themselves emotionally, psychologically, etc...and it can be easily sensed...When the wall is in place, they come across as hardened or callus. Some of them are just ice cold, even during the act. This one new girl from last night was putty during the act, which permitted me to give her better marks ultimately, but her lack of sweetness and her pro attitude served to detract from her performance as a result of her slipping back into a "cold" demeanor the moment the act was over.

It's almost like you're dealing with a girl with split personalities, like they have this strong urge to protect themselves from their own vulnerabilities, but if they have potential in spite of the "wall," you can sometimes, during the act, get a glimpse of the "real" girl that lives inside. This girl last night has some potential because she revealed the "real" girl inside, but it's going to take a lot of real work to mold her into anything that even comes close to my "G" girl for example. But, in all fairness, my "G" girl is one that developed an attitude over time, an attitude of trusting familiarity.

I recall when I first met my "G" girl two years ago, I considered her enjoyable, pleasant, but otherwise mediocre then. I considered her second string then, and for quite a long time. That's why it took me another year to actually bar fine her a second time, and the rest is history. As I recall, "G" had a measure of sweetness, but at the time, I distinctly recall believing she was also too much a pro, when in reality, I subsequently learned that she had only been in the job for a few weeks before I bar fined her. So, maybe I just have to work harder on the other candidates to mold them into what I like, and give the whole process a little more time.

As for my current recent assessment of El Infinito and Givenchy, the lineup at Infinito seems about the same. I think Givenchy is the new potential sleeper in the equation. They seem to have a lot more hot girls lately, and I think the owners are making an effort to create a club that is very similar to El Infinito, and even a better lighted environment where you can actually see the girls much more vividly as they dance. I also noticed that they did not make me present ID when I bar fined this girl.

Initially, the girl wanted to take me to one of the 100 peso hotels near the bar, not trusting me sufficiently because she had never gone with me before. But, I talked to her and convinced her I was not an axe murderer, and she decided to take a chance and accompany me back to my hotel. Had I been required to see her in the 100 peso hotel room, it would have significanty effected my game, and chances are, my rating of the overall experience would have probably dropped another couple of points as a result.

After we were done in my room, we went to dinner at El Al Restaurant on Madero, where she ordered enchiladas that resulted in having numerous hairs in the food. She was not particulary happy with my selection of restaurants as a result, but what was I to do at 3am when she tells me she is hungry? Actually, she was not really that bitchy about it at all, so maybe she has potential. I can't blame her for being turned off by hairs in the food, verdad?

Givenchi used to be pretty poor, with an occassional hot selection. But, lately they have a number of hot girls. Last night, Tuesday night, a typically dead night in the bars, had some pretty good options available in Givenchy. When I go into the privados with some of them, ones that I have not met before, or if I directly recognize them, it becomes apparent that they're on loan from El Infinito. But, it looks like the owners are intending to make Givenchy a better, low end club, one more akin to El Infinito with respect to quality of selection.

In the meantime, Matehuala appears to be slipping even further into the abis. The other night, Monday night, when I went there, I was totally disappointed at the number of thick, ugly girls they have working there. I realize that Monday night is one of the worst...but please, they have totally slipped out of my field of view lately. And, of the girls in Matehuala that are otherwise doable, they are also the ones that are either showing their ages, and/or have been around forever and started working at age 18. I have yet to bar fine a girl from Matehuala for at least a year and half. There just is never anything there that interests me.

Interestingly enough, in Matehuala they have curtained off the second stage completely. The bar is smaller now as a result, and there seems to be a smaller lineup as well. I also noticed this same circumstance with the bar across the street from El Infinito, Tangalay. They had opened up a second stage there over the last year of so, but they now have it curtained off as well. I don't know if in both Matehuala and Tangalay they're intending to remodel, or if it's just another example of clubs that are going down the tubes. With respect to Tangalay, I had thought lately that they too were actually coming up in the world slightly, but the other night when I visited for just a short time, I was disappointed at the assortment of thick or ugly girls working there.

Now, perhaps my negativism is because I am not visiting these same clubs on weekend nights, when austensibly the selection is better. But, none the less I was disappointed that there wasn't at least something that I would consider doable. But, then again, as I said, my own predjudices might be causing me to be too picky lately.

MonterreyDude

04-25-07, 18:24

Tangalay's second stage was not properly a "second stage".
It was more like an anex which you formaly entered at the street.
Offerings here were more like a dance hall with girls charging and drinking with the customers.
Customers at the Tangalay were allowed to take the girls to the anex for a quick dance.
the Monterrey county shut it down in one of those instances that no legal aid nor bribes were powerful enough to get it back to work....
And yes, The Matehuala is so bad, that they are closing the #3 stage.
That area will be a restaurant independent to the club.

I bar fined a new girl last night. This new girl is 20 years old, cute face, and she has a sexy flaca body, shaved, hard bodied, solid, rock hard, abs, everything just like I like it. She later told me that she has only been on the job for a year, and that she was on temporary assignment in Givenchy. She normally works the night shift at El Infinito.

First, one thing to keep in mind about selecting night shift girls in the lower end bars like El Infinito, Givenchy, El Cielo, Matehuala, versus afternoon girls, is that my experience is that the afternoon girls have much sweeter, GFE kinds of personalities, than the girls working the night shifts. I don't know why this is, but because of it, lately, at least over the last couple of years, I've avoided bar fining girls from the night shift. I am changing that strategy because I want to sample what the night shifts have to offer, and I concluded that perhaps I should keep all of my options open.

One thing I noticed in particular, for example, was a profound personality change in "Angry Girl" when she moved from the afternoon shift to the night shift. I noticed a pointed difference in her attitude, a personality change, a coldness, a totally pro attitude, etc...one that was not there formerly when she worked the afternoon shift. I don't know what to attribute this distinction to other than perhaps the late hours make them much crabbier, much more hardened due to their biological clocks being off, perhaps the crowds of men are much more mercenary to them...I don't really know why it would result in such a noticeable difference, but there are different kinds of girls on the night shifts versus the afternoon shift.

Anyway, to continue with respect to my new girl last night...

I tried doing my due diligence first...I tried her out in the privados, and she was really quite good. I know that others might have advised me to try her out the in privados first over the course of several visits on different days, but I have little time when I'm here, and I sometimes have to make quick decisions in order to maximize my time here in exchange for the cost of traveling to Monterrey. If I had more time, I might possibly be able to melt the ice a little. But, time is a luxury I do not have. So, I have to make snap decisions that many times result in my initial disappointment, which is moderately the case in this instance. But, honestly, I am comparing this initial session to ones that far surpass it, and ones that I have cultivated over the years, hopefully endearing myself to certain ones of them that give me a GFE kind of experience. So, I am not passing judgement on this one just yet.

I had sensed a kind of pro attitude from her in the privados, but if her performance in the privados was any indication of her potential, I decided I would overlook the quasi mechanical, but HOT, HOT, HOT treatment she was giving me otherwise. So, I bar fined her to complete my research.

She made all the right kinds of responses in the room, but in the final analysis, I sensed just too much of a hardened professional attitude from her for me to rave about her performance this first time. I would rate her a 7 for that reason, instead of a 9 or 10. She has real good potential if I could just get a better GFE response from her. I have resolved myself to working on her. But, I suspect she may not possess the sweetness that I find so alluring.

First, lets address the perverbial wall...The cold ones have a wall they almost all throw up there to protect themselves from their own vulnerabilities. The thicker the wall, the colder they are. This one was luke warm, sometimes cold, sometimes HOT, but she really displayed very little sweetness, something that I have ultimately discovered about myself and my own preferences, something I really like in a girl.

I liked my time with her in the moment very much because I could feel the doors of the perverbial wall coming off their hinges, but she doesn't really give an intense GFE that transcends the act itself, extending into the downtime spent with me. Frankly, the GFE is what is experienced in the downtime. Even the coldest ones are usually good in the moment because the wall usually begins to fade in the passions of the moment. She has a personality that once the passion is over, she has kind of a cold, hardened demeanor, and sweetness isn't seemingly a part of her personality.

I think I have become very, very picky these days, and I recognize my attitude as being picky. I don't really know what's happening to me, but I sense that I have established a criteria for them that I don't believe most Mexican girls are going to be able to live up to. They are going to have to either adore "ME," have exceptional people skills, be sweet as pie, or I'm going to have to invest significant amounts of time and money in penetrating the natural wall that so many of them have, and exposing a sweetness that may not really even be there to begin with.

As a side note, many of the girls working the low end clubs have very few people skills. That's why they work the low end bars...they don't like talking with customers, and many of them can't turn on the charm. If all they have to do is go into the privados, they can grind on your lap and do nothing else otherwise, maybe deliver the goods in a mechanical sense, but otherwise not much else. But, they don't have the selling ability that medium level bar girls need and generally seem to have in order to extract money in drinks from their clients. All the low end bar girls have to do is stand/dance on stage, and they have their 25 pesos/privado, and if they make quota, they get their salary too. Obviously, they can effect their income within the privados if they are skilled, but that doesn't translate easily to a girl actually being a good escort, which is really what a bar fine is all about, IMHO.

But, conversely, if you choose to bar fine from the medium level clubs, where many of the girls do have a charming personality, you will end up paying 30-40% more. So, that's the real dilemma. You only have a few, good low end bars to choose from, and if you can't find what you're looking for there, it's going to cost you more to actually find a true pro, one that can turn on the charm, and deliver the goods, versus some of the cold, callus types that have very little ability with respect to people skills. But, the sweetness aspect can not be under estimated as the most important part of my own personal criteria.

With some of the low end bar girls, I sense a hardness, a lack of sweetness there, a lacking trait that turns me off to repeating with some of them. Were it not for my admitedly harsh standards, some of them that might otherwise be perfectly acceptable to most, are not acceptable to me, and they suffer in their ultimate assessment as a result, especially on the initial bar fine.

But, just like in the case of this girl last night, even when her performance in the moment was really pretty stimulating for me, I could sense that before and afterwards, the wall that limits the GFE was firmly in place. She performed well in every way, all the right "oooos" and "ahhhhhhs out of her for apparently legitimate, sincerely felt, stimulating effect, etc...But, the sweetness aspect may not be part of her "real" demeanor anyway. Que Lastima...

But, my sensing that the "wall" was firmly in place takes some of the "fun" out of the experience. My sensing the "wall," which transmits a pro, cold attitude, has a tendency for me to downgrade their performance compared to some others I might prefer, ones that have no wall established between us, or ones where my own effort has, perhaps over time, broken down the wall of resistance.

Many of them have that wall firmly in place to protect themselves emotionally, psychologically, etc...and it can be easily sensed...When the wall is in place, they come across as hardened or callus. Some of them are just ice cold, even during the act. This one new girl from last night was putty during the act, which permitted me to give her better marks ultimately, but her lack of sweetness and her pro attitude served to detract from her performance as a result of her slipping back into a "cold" demeanor the moment the act was over.

It's almost like you're dealing with a girl with split personalities, like they have this strong urge to protect themselves from their own vulnerabilities, but if they have potential in spite of the "wall," you can sometimes, during the act, get a glimpse of the "real" girl that lives inside. This girl last night has some potential because she revealed the "real" girl inside, but it's going to take a lot of real work to mold her into anything that even comes close to my "G" girl for example. But, in all fairness, my "G" girl is one that developed an attitude over time, an attitude of trusting familiarity.

I recall when I first met my "G" girl two years ago, I considered her enjoyable, pleasant, but otherwise mediocre then. I considered her second string then, and for quite a long time. That's why it took me another year to actually bar fine her a second time, and the rest is history. As I recall, "G" had a measure of sweetness, but at the time, I distinctly recall believing she was also too much a pro, when in reality, I subsequently learned that she had only been in the job for a few weeks before I bar fined her. So, maybe I just have to work harder on the other candidates to mold them into what I like, and give the whole process a little more time.

As for my current recent assessment of El Infinito and Givenchy, the lineup at Infinito seems about the same. I think Givenchy is the new potential sleeper in the equation. They seem to have a lot more hot girls lately, and I think the owners are making an effort to create a club that is very similar to El Infinito, and even a better lighted environment where you can actually see the girls much more vividly as they dance. I also noticed that they did not make me present ID when I bar fined this girl.

Initially, the girl wanted to take me to one of the 100 peso hotels near the bar, not trusting me sufficiently because she had never gone with me before. But, I talked to her and convinced her I was not an axe murderer, and she decided to take a chance and accompany me back to my hotel. Had I been required to see her in the 100 peso hotel room, it would have significanty effected my game, and chances are, my rating of the overall experience would have probably dropped another couple of points as a result.

After we were done in my room, we went to dinner at El Al Restaurant on Madero, where she ordered enchiladas that resulted in having numerous hairs in the food. She was not particulary happy with my selection of restaurants as a result, but what was I to do at 3am when she tells me she is hungry? Actually, she was not really that bitchy about it at all, so maybe she has potential. I can't blame her for being turned off by hairs in the food, verdad?

Givenchi used to be pretty poor, with an occassional hot selection. But, lately they have a number of hot girls. Last night, Tuesday night, a typically dead night in the bars, had some pretty good options available in Givenchy. When I go into the privados with some of them, ones that I have not met before, or if I directly recognize them, it becomes apparent that they're on loan from El Infinito. But, it looks like the owners are intending to make Givenchy a better, low end club, one more akin to El Infinito with respect to quality of selection.

In the meantime, Matehuala appears to be slipping even further into the abis. The other night, Monday night, when I went there, I was totally disappointed at the number of thick, ugly girls they have working there. I realize that Monday night is one of the worst...but please, they have totally slipped out of my field of view lately. And, of the girls in Matehuala that are otherwise doable, they are also the ones that are either showing their ages, and/or have been around forever and started working at age 18. I have yet to bar fine a girl from Matehuala for at least a year and half. There just is never anything there that interests me.

Interestingly enough, in Matehuala they have curtained off the second stage completely. The bar is smaller now as a result, and there seems to be a smaller lineup as well. I also noticed this same circumstance with the bar across the street from El Infinito, Tangalay. They had opened up a second stage there over the last year of so, but they now have it curtained off as well. I don't know if in both Matehuala and Tangalay they're intending to remodel, or if it's just another example of clubs that are going down the tubes. With respect to Tangalay, I had thought lately that they too were actually coming up in the world slightly, but the other night when I visited for just a short time, I was disappointed at the assortment of thick or ugly girls working there.

Now, perhaps my negativism is because I am not visiting these same clubs on weekend nights, when austensibly the selection is better. But, none the less I was disappointed that there wasn't at least something that I would consider doable. But, then again, as I said, my own predjudices might be causing me to be too picky lately.

Bbond

04-25-07, 23:39

Hi,

I'm a newbie to this forum.
I live in Monterrey.
There's a lot of info in this forum!

Best you hook up with Carlos Perez, he lives there too. He da man.

Member #3453

04-26-07, 14:21

mj,

these philosophical debates are always such spirited ones...kind of like the gun control debate or the abortion issue. we have our respective points of view, neither is right or wrong because we all bring our own personal experiences to our commentary. but, hopefully, my comments here will just serve to futher spawn commentary and keep the board lively.

it should be noted that we are discussing, and reaching conclusions about different venues here, monterrey versus what you might have in morelia, or is available in tj, or is available in the border towns. so, because of those differences in venue, we can also anticipate some slight differences with respect to how things actually might work, simply because they are all in different locations, different owners, different markets, different kinds of clientele, etc...

i see what you mean with respect to the general way in which things are organized most of the time. as you mentioined, within the structure of most clubs, especially the high end clubs with respect to the afternoon versus the night shift girls, their ability to con hombres out of money is very much a part of their managers promoting them to the night shift. you are right, some of those girls on the night shift are cold, cold, cold, and i can usually discern a real difference in their demeanor compared to the afternoon shift girls.

from my own perspective, as a consumer of bar girl favors, i am especially sensitized to their strategies. but, of course, the truly good ones are not discernable as insincere...they are actually the best at their jobs. i suppose that if they are cold and mercenary in their approach, at least to me, they are not very good at their jobs because they have failed to really discern what i like and to deliver it.

but, with respect to our local clubs here in monterrey, specifically el infinito and givenchy, which are the two working class bars that formed the basis of my conclusions, i see a different dynamic at work compared to the norm.

i know many of the girls working those respective shifts personally, and at least within these specific clubs, the girls working the night shift do not appear to be better earners than the afternoon shift girls per se. as you mentioned, i would not normally have reached that conclusion because in most instances i think the structure is exactly as you described, night shift are better earners.

but, in the case of our working class bars, and especially with respect to matehuala, givenchy, el infinito, and el cielo, the ones i frequent the most, and the ones that influence my conclusions, i see very little difference in those specific clubs with respect to earnings potential between the night shift and afternoon shift regarding their skill sets.

the thing that seems to almost dictate when these girls work are their circumstances at home, and whether they "choose" to work their respective shifts. there may be some girls that also choose to work those night shifts because they themselves decide that it's more lucrative, or because they have other committments at home to limit them from working until 5am every night, and in the event they are good earners, they are allowed to select the night shift over the afternoon shift. but, with respect to the clubs i mentioned, i see very little difference in the abilities, or in the success rates, of the girls working the night shift versus the afternoon shift.

as i said, i wouldn't contradict your conclusions under normal circumstances because you are correct with respect to how most clubs are set up. but, it seems to me that at least within those four i mentioned it's more a matter of which shifts the girls are willing and able to work than it is a matter of earning potential. some of the very best earners are on the afternoon shift at those clubs i mentioned.

the way the top earners are shifted around in the clubs of monterrey is similarly handled with respect to which of them are top earners, but rather than shifting them from one shift to another, they will sometimes bump them up to a club that is considered a more successful business model. for example, a girl that does well at el cielo may get bumped over to el infinito by the common owners. but, just as what is going on now here with respect to the newly remodeling givenchy, they are bumping relatively successful girls over to givenchy to enhance the lineup there during the promotional phase.

i would also agree that the girls are not going to work in these bars to find legitimate boyfriends. most of them, except for the wart hogs, can pick and choose. but, i also must attest to the fact that many times my gringo status has worked very effectively in my favor.

please do not misunderstand, it is not me, it is my class, racial, and ethnic background that makes me something different than they are used to seeing, thereby making me somewhat of a distraction for some of them, and something that, because of their curosity, permits me to perhaps recieve, from only some of them, a slightly different manner of treatment than is routinely given to routine clients, mexicanos.

besides, i have a little different perspective on it. i don't really care whether they are motivated to find boyfriends or not. the way i look at it, i can be just as effective a con artist as they, and their motiviations for why they are there have little to do with my ultimate goal, which is to get as closely as possible to a gfe experience as i can.

i use every con man's trick in the book to attempt to achieve a measure of sincerity from girls that are intrinsically insincere, and i have been successful at times. but, i also continually recognize that my best girls are the ones where i can not discern a deception. if they have charmed my socks off they are doing their jobs well, and i am happier for it. i am not really here in monterrey to find a real girlfriend because i do not really need that. what i seek is the illusion, one that is not discernable as insincere, even by someone that has dealt with thousands of them in multiple venues. they are few and far between. but, the ones that can pull it off are exceptional, or they are truly sincere.

with respect to their sweetness, the girl that i bar fined the other night, the one that worked the night shift, definitely did not have the personality skills to be a top earner, not did she make the effort to attempt to con me in any way. the top earners, the ones that are constantly in the privados, are the girls that have the sweetest dispositions, and the most charming personalities, along with the depraved mechanical abilities that make them sought after.

the way i see it, even if they are exuding a false charm, which i agree is the norm, none-the-less they have personality skills that make them the top earners. imho, a lack of sweetness and a discernable mercenary style does not make a top earner, and many of the night shift girls do have that "cold" quality. but i am speaking solely with respect to my own preferences, so perhaps generally speaking my own preferences are not what makes a top earner, or as you suggest, the girls i particularly like, are the ones that have a wide range of personality approaches that make them particularly edept at accomodating the hords with what they prefer.

most of the girls, as you mentioned, are very edept at hiding the insincerity of their personalities. but, in my experience the top earners are also the ones that have the people skills that make them sought after. if they are good looking, and they also have the personality skill, then they are constantly busy regardless of the shift they're on.

by the way, and this is a sort of cryptic note to those of us who may have formerly visited el infinito in the past and might know her....but, guess who has not been working at the infinito for many months, has a boyfriend, and is pregnant? none other than one of el infinito's top earners, one who has it all, personality, charm, fun, and looks...roxanna, arguably "the" top earner in el infinito, and an afternoon shift girl.

you touched on something very key in this part of your post, uno. you see, there really is no difference between the night shift girls and the afternoon girls. they are the same. exactly the same and with the exact same intention- to separate you from your money. they just adjust their act depending on their client base at the time.

basically, the afternoon shift is for the chicas who are either too ugly to work in primetime or not yet good enough at scamming horny men. the afternoon shift is a training ground for the girls, a way for them to ply their craft. eventually, when they get good at it, they get sent up to the majors at night, already a hardened pro who can and will say anything to get a guy to hand over money to them.

these girls are good, they are experts at pleasing their customers, giving them what they want and saying what they want to hear. after you've spent some time around the working chicas you learn that your little angel, who is so sweet to you, is a total ***** to certain customers and a scam machine to others. this is the same girl, adjusting her game to fit with the client she is serving. a shy girl becomes a horny tart depending on how her customer at the time wants her. some of these girls appear at times to be completely devoid of their own personality, choosing to role play at all times, at least within the confines of their work.

these girls are all things to all people. they will tell you what they think you want to hear. they have us foreigners pretty much sized up and they often execute their act flawlessly, letting us buy into their illusion so that they can get our cash from us. around them we are suddenly the funniest guys in the world, the greatest lovers, the sweetest gentlemen, etc. they will let us believe that we are wooing them and conquering their frigid hearts, when all they really want is money for their next fix, the baby's [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131), the rent, etc.

that's why you can never, ever take a working girl's word at face value. by nature, they are con-women. because, if they weren't good at lying to men and scamming on them; if their game wasn't near perfect, they wouldn't be able to work in that profession- their bosses wouldn't tolerate it. these girls must be adept at running game on us or else they would not stay working. if a girl has been working in this profession for over a month, you can bet that she is a mercenary looking to take everything she can from you. she's working at the club to make money and not to fall in love with a guy who is there to pay for sex with her.

these girls see dozens of men a day, hundreds and possibly thousands throughout their career...do you honestly think that of all the people in the world, that we are somehow the ones who the chicas really love and have affection for? c'mon.

treat these girls with respect, but when it comes to our "business" transactions, treat them with the same cold, deliberate style with which you deal with a car salesman. they may give us their sex for a reasonably low price, but their love and respect is out of our reach.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

MonterreyDude

04-26-07, 17:51

Ahem... Unspongbob.

You say: "The way the top earners are shifted around in the clubs of Monterrey is similarly handled with respect to which of them are top earners, but rather than shifting them from one shift to another, they will sometimes bump them up to a club that is considered a more successful business model. For example, a girl that does well at El Cielo may get bumped over to El Infinito by the common owners. But, just as what is going on now here with respect to the newly remodeling Givenchy, they are bumping relatively successful girls over to Givenchy to enhance the lineup there during the promotional phase."

I don't know where you got that. The girls are not moved per se. The girls are the ones that ask the managers if they can move from the one place to another.... and they are denied that. I don't know if you've notice, but NO girl from Matehuala moves to Infinito and viceversa. That is an owner policy.
I have seen the Infinito manager move girls from that place to the Givenchy on a "pick them, as they come" basis. Not because they are good or they are not good. More like that on Monday-Wednesday, the Givenchy has no girls at all.

USB says: "I would also agree that the girls are NOT going to work in these bars to find legitimate boyfriends. Most of them, except for the wart hogs, can pick and choose. But, I also must attest to the fact that many times my Gringo status has worked very effectively in my favor."

Of course they don't work at the clubs to find legitiate boyfriends. They already have them, and I have pointed them out to you once in while. Some of the girls are even married with either waiters, or the boyfriend or husband goes to wait for them at salida time.
And the "Gringo factor"... my friend, just last night we were discussing that. How I have noticed that when I started doing the clubs 25 years ago, the average age of a customer was 35 and over... now it is lower than 25, not to mention that you can find at the Infinito afternoon shift tables full of 18-20 year olds... 18-20 year olds with money in their pockets that the girls prefer over us older guys.
It is not Gringo Factor, it is Age/Money Factor.
I must insist on this matter, that at one point the girls like our company because we treat them differently, but the moment we are not there at the club, they go for the Extreme Makeover Factor: money.
I totally agree in what Mill Just more or less said a couple of post down: *****s will always be *****s the moment you turn your back to them, and if you don't look out, working girl instincts will come back on automatic and they will stab you in the back without a second hesitation....

Member #3453

04-26-07, 18:21

Also night shift girls, at almost all clubs, make more money within the premises, than outside. That is why Unspongebob almost always gets a cold shoulder from them.
I have NOT really been working those night shift girls. I am getting tired in my old age, and have only been working the afternoon shift girls for about the last two years.

I've recently started to think that I've been missing some potential in the night shift offering, and I've decided to start working those girls more actively. But, here is my take on it. Literally, I have bar fined so many girls in this town that I can't hardly keep track of them all, so I feel like I have a pretty good sampling record from which to draw my conclusions.

Frankly, even in former years when I was typically working the night shift, I was always able to get them away from the clubs for longer periods of time, and more easily than the afternoon girls. The reason, the night shift girls are scheduled to be at work until 5am, and frankly, they are the ones that historically spent more time with me beyond the allotted 1.5 hour time frame. The afternoon girls were always the ones that held me firmly to the 1.5-2 hours time frame.

The afternoon girls, because I would always bar fine them between 7-8pm, after waking from my afternoon siesta, would always have to be done and out of the door of my hotel by no later than 10:00pm, primarily because they would always ultimately have to be home to their kids, and because they wanted to retrieve their pay for the night. But, I also think there may be another reason as well, to capitalize on the last presentation of the afternoon shift and the transition over to the night shift, which doubles the number of girls to select from, and that is a direct motivator for management insisting they return on time.

With the night girls, I would usually bar fine them between just after 11pm shift change, maybe between 12-1:30am, and on many, many, different occassions too numerous to actually count, they would stay with me right up until closing time, 4-5am depending on the day of the week. Many of the night shift girls would have to be home to their kids as well, but they were planning to stay that long at work anyway and had arrangements in place for their kids, which enabled them to hang around if they were having a good time.

The afternoon shift girls always got a lot more pressure to be back to work on time than I ever experienced from the night shift girls. Usually, by 3-5am, the crowds of hombres are sufficiently small that the managers never really cared whether the girls came back or not. Most of the girls were able to stay as long as they wanted past 3am because they did not get any flack from their managers. Pllus, the night shift girls, usually by about 2am are starting to realize they can make more money by doing a salida than staying the one hour between 1-3am to earn privado money. And, after 3am is a no-brainer for them.

There is no way, not even between 1-3am that most night shift girls will make the 1000 pesos in the privados that they would make going on salida. My precise mathematical calculatons don't lie. They suggest that they can only make a maximum of 300 pesos in the privados over a two hour period, and that's only if they are turning the minimum required number of privados to also make salary.

If I'm generous in my estimates, even adding salary to the equation, there is just no way they would approach what they would make on salida, lets say between 1-3am, especially due to the late hour. In contrast, they also know that by going on salida they can make 1000 pesos, and not have to be grinding in somebodies lap in a dingy, dirty, rat infested, flea bag privado area, doing sex acts with no comfort whatsoever.

Plus, I also can not tell you the numbers of girls that have agreed to a signifacantly lesser salida fee than 1000 pesos, many of them agreeing to go for 500-750 pesos. That suggests that my generous earnings estimates are indeed generous.

With the presentation being right around shift change, and the potential to fill the privados due to a greater selection of girls being present to entice buyers, I always concluded that management was significantly more insistent about having them back for the afternoon/night shift change if possible. I also think the afternoon shift girls thought of it the same way, one last ditch effort to make quota for the night. So, IMHO, the afternoon shift girls have always seemed less flexible with respect to GFE and time. Where the GFE potential breaks down is with respect to shitty attitude per capita on the night shift.

Just like the girl I bar fined the other night. She left me at 3am, and she did not return to work, but she had me drop her off at her apartment where she said she was going to go to sleep. When I asked her about having to be back to work, she blew it off like it was nothing. If she had been an afternoon shift girl, she would have insisted on my returning her directly to Givenchy, and she would have demonstrated a much more rigid time frame. As it were, we actually went to dinner together before I took her to her apartment, and she didn't think twice about having to return to work.

If she had been a good GFE, she would have just as easily, as many of the good GFE night shift girls have done in the past, stayed with me until 4-5am, sometimes a few hours beyond the required 1.5 hours. I just stopped doing that kind of late night schedule because I found I was always exhausted the next day because I had been up all night with a night shift girl.

Based on these logical conclusions reached after significant experience specifically with bar fining girls from both the afternoon and night shifts in the bars we're discussing, I still fail to see why night shift girls, with respect to GFE, are less "sweet" than afternoon shift girls.

My own theory concurs with that one that says it IS because they are dealing with a different element of clientele, "Regular Family Man Joe," versus "Shithead-Night Crawler Borracho Joe."

Member #3453

04-28-07, 03:33

This should stir the embers... :-) Have fun!!!

As most of you know, I am focused on one girl these days because she is, right now, the only one I've found that delivers the goods the way I like them delivered. Don't misunderstand...I CHOOSE to stick with her like glue because she "D*E*L*I*V*E*R*S, period. Any other potential options for me would pale in comparison. Why???

I have probably bar fined no less than 200 chicas from the clubs of Monterrey over the course of five years, not to mention probably three-four times that amount, or more, over the course of my lifetime from worldwide venues. These are actual bar fines, and not just sitting in the clubs drinking with them.

Certainly, I feel I have significant enough experience sampling what is available in Monterrey, and specifically concerning what a "good" session is versus one that is medicre. I know what is available, and I have the experience to have reached an informed conclusion as to what kind of sessions one can typically expect from Mexico versus other worldwide venues, and to do an informed comparison.

But, more importantly, I know what "I LIKE" and I know what "I WANT" in exchange for the money I spend, money not only spent with respect to actual sessions themselves, but also for the extensive cost of travel associated with coming to Monterrey to begin with.

From my perspective, I have "ONE" girl right now that knows what she is doing, and is sincere in "Doing a Good Job," or...perhaps her performance is NOT really a performance at all, but it is "Real," sincere and emotionally delivered. Many will assume I am frickin' nuts for believing that, but I do believe her's is not a performance. This situation with her is not typical, and I sincerely doubt any bar girl can approach her GFE. I know why...because it's not a performance. But, I also know that she should not be used as a measuring stick to judge the performance of other girls. So, I am trying to be fair in my overall assessments by not applying to most bar girls an unrealistic standard.

I don't say there aren't more out there like her, ones that can deliver a performance of similar quality, all be they performances instead of being sincere in origin, because there may be. But, I guess I am simply running out of the necessary energy, money, and patience it requires within the Mexico venue to find them, especially when I know that a far superior level of experience is available, and for significantly less money, in other worldwide venues as a result of my own direct experience in those other worldwide venues.

Most Monterrey bar girls, at least lately, do not know how, nor do they care to learn how, to deliver GFE...I am starting to view most of the girls I find, at least from my own very subjective perspective, as being relatively comparable to what I could get here in the US... :-0 (oh, shit!!!)...SAY IT AINT SO!!!

Many of them, especially the primadonnas of the high end bars, a few in the medium level bars, and even some of the low end bars, believe themselves to be such gifts to our masculinity that they believe we are simply satisfied regardless of their relatively mediocre performance, both in the bars and on salida. Many of them believe that for us to have the opportunity to be within ten feet of them is sufficient justification for us to puke pesos on them.

Some of them know how to con us sufficiently to get us to buy them drinks or to entice us into the privados, but many of those same girls that obviously have the skills necessary to extract money from us in the bars, lack the consciensiousness to deliver with the same kind of effort in private sessions. In addition, even if they wanted to deliver consciensciously in private sessions, their individual lives are so fucked up that their circumstances in their lives outside the bar control them to a point of their being non-starters, at least with respect to my wanting to spend money on them on salida.

That is the issue that frustrates me. They demonstrate that they have the ability within the bars, but they either lack the business intelligence to follow through in delivering the goods as promoted in the privados, and/or they are simply unable to sustain the charade long enough to pull everything off, and/or they are so enslaved to their screwed up lives that they can not even arrange to show up to deliver on opportunities that would yield them ten to twenty times the normal salary they would make working in a store or factory in Mexico.

That really scares me because it was not the case five years ago. Five years ago, the girls were a different breed. Something has happened, and I don't believe that it can only be attributed to my being five years older, or that I have changed my evaluation criteria. The girls these days seems to be a different breed than what was originally in the clubs five years ago...or, perhaps I, as a consumer, have become more demanding of them, and less patient with their bullshit. I don't know what it is, but I am becoming rather disenchanted with the general level of performance of the girls in Monterrery lately.

And, listen, I respecfully am not interested in hearing that I need to broaden my horizons, or that she is going to stab me in the back, or anything else...I mean, I love you guys, but that advice is just excuses made for substandard behaviors that are really starting to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off about many of the girls of Monterrey.

Now listen, I dearly love Monterrey, and I love all my amigos and amigas too...but, I am growing very impatient with circumstances that seem to develop more incidents of "aggravation" for me in attempting to find acceptable quality "hookers" over the course of a week than "satisfaction." There comes a point at which aggravation out-weights the potential satisfaction. That is when I start to reminisce about the possibilities in other venues.

My frustrations came to a head Thursday afternoon concerning my ANGEL girl. She disappointed me as a result of logistical things in her screwed-up life, things that have started effecting our time together, things that she has no control over, things that interfer with her own desires to be with me, things that are not really her fault, etc...But, none-the-less things that frustrate me to no end.

I became angry and disillusioned thinking that if I had to replace her, knowing the amount of work that would be necessary to replace her within the Mexico experience, the prospect of doing all the frickin' work necessary to replace her, and especially with respect to her GFE. I strongly suspected that within the Mexico experience, it would not be worth the effort. I was on the brink...I was "The Donald" and about ready to tell her she is fired!!! But, I have to admit, I have a soft spot in my heart for her.

I am a big boy...I am prepared to cut her off as a provider without any painful issues developing. What I am NOT prepared to do is to invest the huge numbers of pesos, time, effort, travel expense, etc...necessary to replace her within the Mexico venue when I know the potential for finding a qualified replacement is so dismal in Mexico. I am much more demanding and mercenary than my writings sometimes suggest, while also having a desire to be a real teddy bear at the same time.

I agree that we are dealing with totally screwed up lives in our precious bar girls. That is obvious to all of us. But, my most recent revelations about my own disappointments have more to do with "MY" not ever being able to coordinate any kind of relative consistency of experience without seeming to have to bring the "Mountain to Mohamed" each and every time, something one does not have to do in other venues.

The lives of Mexico bar girls are so screwed up that even if you would be willing to pay them a king's frickin' ransom to be somewhere on time, and with some degree of relative predictability, you can forget it. Even if they want to be there with you themselves, free of charge, because they are literally in love with you, as well as with the prospect of what you can do for them, financially and otherwise, wanting to show-up themselves with bells on, they are slaves themselves to their own fucked-up lives, lives that not only dominate their behavior, but directly effect them financially to a detriment, a detriment they are apparently accutely aware of but powerless to influence for their own betterment.

My girl must have sensed my frustration because she responded like "The Dukes of Hazzard." She lives two hours from Monterrey, and she was able to make it to my hotel exactly 2 hours after I talked to her. With that, I was quite pleased.

The bottom line is, on my last day in town, with my ANGEL, I could not have had a better Thursday afternoon than if I had been at an orgy in Angeles City, and or a threesome in Bangkok, and she delivers with all the sincere affection that is NEVER typical of most encounters in Monterrey lately.

So, her level of performance is, IMHO, not a performance, and preferrable to anything else that I have ever been able to find in Monterrey, period. I paid her 1000 pesos, bought her dinner at Chilis, and she stayed with me from 4pm-10pm, 6 hours, returning home on the "TWO HOUR" bus ride in order to watch her son, who she had left with a relatively unreliable babysitter so she could be with me.

So, not only did she stay with me for 6 hours, she had to travel 2 hours each way to be with me, all for 1000 pesos and dinner. That is a frickin bargain, verdad, and more lovin' than you would ever typically experience from a Monterrey bar girl.

Why do I think there is sincerity in her "act?" I know of NO OTHER bar girl in Monterrey that would spend the time this girl routinely spends with me for the amount of money, period. If money is what motivates them, which is what everyone seems to be telling me, then where is the motivation for this kind of service?

I am not bragging about it. I am merely illustrating why I hang with her exclusively. I am so widely criticized for having an exclusive relationship with only one bar girl. I am told that the other girls in the bar make fun of it. But, who gives a shit about what the other girls think. I stay with my ANGEL girl because her performance surpasses anything I believe is currently otherwise available, certainly not from those girls criticizing our arrangement, that's for damned sure. Those girls are examples of the problem inherent in the pool that we have to select from. The peanut gallery at her club could take lessons from my ANGEL girl...seriously.

These are not things I am bragging about...I am routinely accused of bragging about this shit. But, it is NOT that way. I am explaining my viewpoint, and in order to illustrate it so all will understand. I have to relay the details or my conclusions will be totally misconstrued as they regularly seem to be by some on this board. I have to spell it out to gain understanding or all with think I am some naive amateur, falling hopelessly in love with an insincere and conniving bar girl.

It is really that simple. I only mention here to illustrate why I, a dedicated monger, would seek a relatively exclusive arrangement with a bar girl. It's because the quality of experience is preferrable to me than the any other alternatives that I know are available in Monterrey. I enjoy it for the quality of experience, for the paltry amount of money given at my own discretion, without any former expectation on her part as to how much she is being paid, if at all, and for the sincerity in the moment.

But, where my criticism of Monterrey begins is when, assuming I were to look for an alternate experience, I start to contemplate looking elsewhere. I recoil at the thought of the amount of work involved in looking elsewhere because I have been so thoroughly disgusted with the prospects so far, that it seems like just an exercise in futility. I did sample another candidate this week, and reported on my experience in a former post, and...she was fine, but nothing to compare, actually disappointing in comparison to ANGEL girl with respect to GFE. Truth is, the body of NEW girl was probably just as good, prettier face, great sex, much more expensive, passionate in the moment, but lacking in sincere GFE, which is something that is displayed in the downtime.

Concerning my ANGEL girl, as good as she is, there are still frustrations. I think that even in my Angel's case, her fucked-up life dictates such control over her that it not only frustrates her own desire to be with me, but it also routinely serves to sabotage my ability to improve her condition financially, emotionally, whatever...So many conflicts to deal with, work, son, mother, brother, family, studies, logistics from home, etc...

I am continually told by my handlers to broaden my horizons, change my approach, reduce my expectations, dumb down my selection criteria, add to my flock with more options, etc...But, with respect to other options that compare to my ANGEL, the logistical nightmare of bringing it all together on a consistent basis has me almost ready to retire from mongering in Mexico completely, mostly due to the BS that one has to continually endure in orchestrating, and finally getting, chicas that will show up on schedule and deliver what they formerly represented through their charm in the bars, compared to their delivered charms on salida.

And there are seemingly fewer available these days that know what I want, or even give a shit what I want. Most of them don't give a crap about what I want, and only care about what they can take, completely discounting any kind of value to be had from repeat business, good treatment, great money, etc...

I find that so many of them are such "clinical" providers, after having represented themselves as something more allurring than that, lacking a significant measure of actual skill with respect to GFE on salida, that I literally do not want them. This is a profound change compared to years past. In the past, the girls worked at it, but now, I don't see that much at all. Obviously, there are some exceptions, and I love those girls, but they are not in abundance and they require significant effort to locate.

Furthermore, in my particular case, I am so relatively unimpressed with the performance of the girls in general lately, with the exception of my one absolute "ANGEL," that I am almost ready to retire from Mexico mongering for a while, take a sabbatical, concentrate my efforts in other venues, etc...

If I am to return to monger in Mexico, I must be satisfied more than I am aggravated and/or frustrated at orchestrating these little trists. Were it not for my angel, and the enjoyment I get visiting with my Amigos, I would not probably spend the money to return. At this juncture, it all hinges on my ANGEL girl, that she understands the importance of her role in this. But, she is herself a victim of her own screwed up lifestyle, one that is ultimately going to probably sabotage what we do have going, even as her inability to deal with her life's circumstances, seemingly against her own will, sabotages what she is desiring out of the "relationship."

My ANGEL girl knows the depth of my sincere affection for her, and she also knows that I have been frustrated lately with certain aspects of logistically coordinating our meetings due to her stereotypical bar girl lifestyle influences. But, frankly, were she to go South on me, due to the monumental effort required to find anything that even remotely approaches her delivery of GFE, I am probably going to monger elsewhere, in venues where I know a similiar experience to Angel girl is very easily available.

Carlos, I will expect you to have corrected all these issues with the Mexico venue, but if not, then I humbly ask you to impress upon my ANGEL girl, in her native tongue, at your earliest convenience, the importance of her role in my prompt and regular return to Monterrey ;-)

Mill, no "colored" past... please.
Let's keep going at what we know best.
You and I know quite well that it is really dangerous to let a girl get out of ones control.
I've always tell they guys coming down here that without a moment's warning the girls will try to suck you deep into their messed up lives.
We have to be on the look out for that or we will be foder in their hands.
It's best just to move to another girl in a hurry.... if not, that's when the "knife in the back" part comes along!

Explanation of "messed up lives":
1. When they start talking about former boyfriends or husbands.
2. When they start talking of how their family life (mother, father, sisters, brothers) is a mess and they all hate her.
3. When she works and works as a slave at the club and she doesn't even make money for taxi fare and she just keeps going on and on with this subject for all night.

Mill... please. Add your own insight.....

Porker

04-29-07, 16:31

USB, don't mean to criticize, but perhaps you're suffering from unrealistic expectations? What exactly do you expect from a 5-10 minute interaction with a girl before paying a salida for her? If you expect ANYTHING BUT a detached, go-through-the motions session, you're a bit delusional. As you probably know better than me, repeat business can improve things, as can extended time spent with a girl before you take her out. But when you become a lazy monger and combine that with increasing reluctanct to spend money on things like drinks and privados, not sure what you're expecting from your prostitute in the attitude department.

MonterreyDude

04-29-07, 20:01

The Incredible Porker... alive and well.
I've been telling exactly that to the USB, but he just doesn't want to hear.
I'll use a bat next time and hammer it in.... or maybe electro shock will do the job

USB, don't mean to criticize, but perhaps you're suffering from unrealistic expectations? What exactly do you expect from a 5-10 minute interaction with a girl before paying a salida for her? If you expect ANYTHING BUT a detached, go-through-the motions session, you're a bit delusional. As you probably know better than me, repeat business can improve things, as can extended time spent with a girl before you take her out. But when you become a lazy monger and combine that with increasing reluctanct to spend money on things like drinks and privados, not sure what you're expecting from your prostitute in the attitude department.

Member #3453

04-29-07, 23:28

Porker and Carlos,

I don't take offense to advise offered in the proper spirit, and I know you guys offer advise with sincerity.

Porker, glad to see you are paying attention. :-)

I agree with you Porker. Carlos has said the same thing. I need to stop being so lazy. You guys are absolutely right. I just need to be cool. I need to cut the girls some slack...What is happening to me???

I find that I'm just running out of patience. I can see where I've become too demanding, impatient, etc...I think I am simply frustrated by all the effort I make, money spent to place myself in a position to physically be there, time allocated to be there, then only to be disappointed sometimes when things do not go prefectly my way. I am a perfectionist in some respects, and now, apparently, a mongering perfectionista as well.

The problem is, if I analyse it from a purely financial point of view, which is the wrong way to evaluate it entirely, then I am NOT seemingly getting much in return. Perhaps I am having second thoughts about "ROI."

So, I have to decide if the expenditures are worth the return on investment. Here is the deal...

Airfare = $328 RT
Buses = $36 RT
Airport Taxi = $60RT
Hotel = $310
In-Club Entertainment, Salidas, Drinks, Mexico Taxis = $600-$800
Meals = $150
Total = $1,684

Plus Carlos' Commissions = $600-$800US :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (NOT!!!)

So, that's $280 per day, less Carlos' Commissions. Now, in my part of the country, I can find the same kind of entertainment for around $150-$200 an hour or less. Plus, frankly, I suspect it would be less with a regular girl. And, the amount of time spent traveling to Monterrey takes me about 10 hours each way.

That is a hell of a lot of effort made when one has to hang onto hope that he will have a significantly better experience than if he just spent the $200 an hour locally.

Don't worry, provided the money holds out, I will always be back to Monterrey. I'm not as disenchanted as my rantings suggest. You all know me, I am overly dramatic...overly emotional.

But, I agree with you guys that I am going to have to get some new found patience or I might as well stay home. But, I have to admit, were that to be the case in the future, I would dearly miss fraternizing with my amigos in the clubs in addition to not being able to see my "ANGEL" girl and other candidates.

So, to soley make judgements on the overall experience relative to expenditures doesn't fairly evaluate the amount of relaxation that I also get from a week in Monterrey, the comradere (sp) with my amigos/amigas, the relatively frequent GFE. I should be looking at it more as a vacation with benefits, rather than a chore to be accomplished, verdad?

USB, don't mean to criticize, but perhaps you're suffering from unrealistic expectations? What exactly do you expect from a 5-10 minute interaction with a girl before paying a salida for her? If you expect ANYTHING BUT a detached, go-through-the motions session, you're a bit delusional. As you probably know better than me, repeat business can improve things, as can extended time spent with a girl before you take her out. But when you become a lazy monger and combine that with increasing reluctanct to spend money on things like drinks and privados, not sure what you're expecting from your prostitute in the attitude department.

El Cabron 007

05-10-07, 01:28

Hola... you Horney perverts :-)

Did I miss anything? Or did anyone miss me? How is the new mini-Infi working out?

Wasted

Member #3453

05-10-07, 02:33

I missed you mucho!!!

But, the board is dead as a doornail...we are letting it die a slow and agonizing death. No commentary...nothing...no entertainment...nada.

Are you going to go to MTY in June as tentatively planned? If so, give me the dates. I have to start laying the ground work.

Hola... you Horney perverts :-)

Did I miss anything? Or did anyone miss me? How is the new mini-Infi working out?

Wasted

MonterreyDude

05-10-07, 03:17

I have a girl at the Mini-Infinito!!!!

NUTS!!!!! to late!!!
USB got to her!!!!!!!!

Hola... you Horney perverts :-)

Did I miss anything? Or did anyone miss me? How is the new mini-Infi working out?

Wasted

Member #3453

05-10-07, 03:45

Hey,

WTF is the Mini-Infinito??? Are you referring to the new Givenchy?

I did bar fine a new girl from the Givenchy last time...kind of an "Angry Girl" type. I will call her "Imposter Girl." Probably a better body than Angry Girl, but not as disingenuously sweet as Angry Girl used to be to me. So, she will require work on her GFE personality.

I am totally out of it...I don't know what you guys are referring to when you talk of the Mini-Infinito.

And, Carlos, if it is not "Imposter Girl, then please remind me whom she is...I am losing my memory in my old age. I forgot whom I might have beat you to.

Are you referring to my flaca girl at the Tangalay, my new girl?

Help!!! I am drifting out of consciousness...

I have a girl at the Mini-Infinito!!!!

NUTS!!!!! to late!!!
USB got to her!!!!!!!!

Member #3453

05-10-07, 04:17

Member #3453

05-10-07, 13:44

Listen, I can count on "less than" one hand the number of massage places that are worth a shit in Monterrey, especially ones that are only 100-200 pesos. Really, do NOT waste your time. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME..."Time is Money."

The street walker action is a dead end...They are ALL skanks. There is, for all intents and purposes, no street walker action in Monterrey, certainly none I would touch with a ten foot pole.

As for the door girls on Reforma, there are maybe (2) out of all that stand in the alleys (not really that many to choose from anyway) that have even remotely interested me. They are mostly the bottom of the barrel in comparison to what is available, and they too are much more likely to be diseased.

DO NOT WASTE TIME...

Monterrey is a town that must be "Worked." It is not an easy town to monger in. It requires time to get to know the girls, and it requires money. But, money spent, once you learn where to look, and once you have established yourself in the clubs, is usually pretty cost effective.

It is absolutely probably the best city in the entire World for Strip Clubs. If you like sitting in strip clubs, talking to the girls, drinking with them, groping them in the privados, having them grind on your lap as you drink with them, etc...it is literally the best I have ever found in the entire world, comparing it even to places like Costa Rica, Asia, Colombia, etc...But, it is NOT an easy or inexpensive town to actually monger in.

I suspect that in other parts of Mexico, the girls are much more desperate for money than in Monterrey, or in the border towns, hence they are probably cheaper and probably, some of them, more willing to spend longer periods of time with you actually mongering. In other Central American cities, the cost to monger is probably really cheap compared to Monterrey. So, it is like comparing apples and oranges.

Biggest problem is...you have to spend more than just a few days in Monterrey in order to really get the full measure of enjoyment out of it. It requires at least a full week, or even better, a regular regimen of visiting often, 4-5 days at a time, to establish yourself in the strip clubs. The strip clubs are where the girls of "quality" are...But, they are not cheap, certainly not 100 pesos. Be prepared to pay 1300-1700 pesos for 2 hours at your hotel. But, they are clean, healthy, some of them charming, and a small percentage of them GFE, and an even smaller percentage of them are actually looking for sugar daddy boyfriends for regular fun and games. The bar girls that are sincerely looking for that scenario are few and far between, but they DO exist.

The problem is a matter of supply and demand. There are so many more clients in the bars, that the girls don't have to try that hard, so they are lazy. You have to distinguish yourself with the girls...make them notice you over time in order to get anywhere near what I would term a reasonably priced, GFE kind of session. You can cut that 1300-1700 pesos fee down to 500 pesos a session, and increase your time with them to between 4 hours up to todo la noche. But, it takes a tremendous amount of experience to do it, and time, and money over time.

My advise, stop wasting time...hit the high end strip clubs, the medium end strip clubs, the low end strip clubs, and just hang out. SLOW DOWN...Slow down long enough to enjoy the ride, and more importantly, to sense the potential, and learn the ropes. Some are simply too impatient to invest the effort, so they fail to see the forest for the trees.

Funny...It occurs to me that Carlos has been telling me the same thing every time I start bitching about Monterrey. See Carlos, maybe it's starting to sink in.

MonterreyDude

05-11-07, 07:20

I hope no one was visiting Monterrey these past few days cause we are celebrating Mother's Day, and unlike in the USA we celebrate it on the previous and on the 10th, not on a Sunday as they do in the USA.
Perhaps those visiting us may have noticed a lot of movement on the 9th, at Reforma St, Cuahutemoc and Pino Suarez.
We had lots of movement after 8:15 pm cause there was a major soccer game... one of the local teams lost the first of 2 games, so the locals leaving the game at that time and coming from the North (Cuahutemoc to the North leads to the stadium) might have seem angry... logicly angry.
Also the night of the 9th is the start of Mother's Day celebration, so the city just plain turns out to celebrate mom.
Ergo, clubs, MPs, strip clubs, Barrio Antiguo are just plain slow or dead.
Not to mention today, the 10th, when 90% of the regular businesses close after midday just to be with our moms.
More than half of the working girl manifest of the clubs ans businesses stay at home, cause they themselves are mothers, so they just take it easy on the 10th.
Maybe that's why the city is slow...
Pretty bad days to come here.

Member #3453

05-11-07, 14:18

If funds are limited, Monterrey is NOT going to satify. If you're concentrating your efforts on street girls, massage girls, and door girls, then I suspect the quality of selection might be even less attractive than what might be available in other parts of Mexico for less money. I suspect that even in other parts of Mexico, girls that are choosing to work those lower end venues may even be more attractive and charming than what you will find on the street, in the doorways, and in the massage parlors of Monterrey.

There simply isn't a street walker scene in Monterrey, not one of any consequence, certainly nothing to visit Monterrey for...Plus, with respect to massage parlor girls, I just haven't found many that are attractive enough to entice me. There are some that are doable, but not that many. I have literally in the past, run all over downtown to each and everyone of them, a task that will literally take you hours just to stick your head in the door and do a cursory assessment of selection quality at each massage parlor.

Nor have I found but just a few standing on Reforma that I would even remotely consider. Plus, there is the disease factor that always scares me off with the door girls. They are not regulated by the health department in Monterrey, and the potential for "problems" is significantly greater. So, I avoid them. Plus, their motice operandi is more akin to what you find in TJ or at the border...more money to remove a top, always getting you in the room and then extorting more money for everything...you know the drill.

I have a theory about this availability issue in Monterrey versus other parts of Mexico, some observations, some questions...

First, Monterrey, because it's an expensive city, attracts the best looking girls from all over Mexico. The best looking, best personalities always go to the strip clubs first. The "notorious" recent visitor to Monterrey recently mentioned that there must be at least 90 strip clubs in Monterrey. He is probably conservative in that estimate.

Anyway, the girls that come to Monterrey from all over Mexico usually go to whichever category of strip clubs they are appropriate to, high end, medium, or low end, based not just necessarily on their physical appearance, although that does seem to correlate to some degree, but also on their ability to talk to customers, to charm customers for drinks, and according to their skill level at delivering the goods in the privados.

So, most of the lookers are working in the many, many, huge multitude of strip clubs. If they are lookers you will not typically find them in the massage parlors, on the streets, in the hotel doorways, etc...The ones that have lesser personalities will typically work in the lower end bars, such as El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuala, etc...the three of which are actually categorized in my mind as the high end, low end bars...believe me there are a lot more low end bars in Monterrey that make those three bars look like they are Shangrala.

Then, the girls will gravatate toward the medium and high end bars depending on their skill levels selling drinks. I really don't know what distinguishes the medium end bars, Harem, Pasarelas, TVO, Azul Tequila, Casino, Bahamas, etc...from the high end bars, Prestige, Obsession, Amnesia, Poission, etc...in the minds of the girls with respect to earning potential.

I guess the girls figure that the guys in the high end bars are high rollers, austensibly parting with their money more freely than in the medium level bars. But, from their prospective, in making a decision between whether to work in the high end bars or the medium level bars, I don't really know if there is really much of a difference between them from the sole perspective of their own perceived earning potential.

So, all that having been said about the strip clubs...your best lookers will be found first in the strip clubs, with graduated levels of quality all the way down to what you find standing on the street corner on Colon, and in the room girls on Reforma. The massage parlor girls are somewhere in between, but on the decidely medium/lower end of the spectrum.

So, if you frequent the massage parlors, you will typically find the girls to be older, fatter, and uglier than the strip clubs girls...The only exception to this might be on a rare occassion you might find a doable flaca, younger girl, that is willing to work the massage parlors because she had kids or family responsibilites and can not work afternoons or nights. So, she chooses to work days in the massage parlors where she is more easily available to work. Other than that, you will not find thin, attractive, young girls in most of the massage parlors. And, most of the massage parlors keep relatively early hours only. Most are not open past 9-10pm.

There is an exception to some of these conclusions however. If you frequent the expensive massage parlors, ones that will run you a minimum of between 600-800 pesos per session, usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time, then some of these conclusions do not apply. And, of course, there are always exceptions that are attributable to quality of personality or skill level. There are some relatively unattractive types walking around the high end strip clubs for example, not many, but some. Some of them have been there for years. They can not survive were they not able to make money on drinks, and/or deliver the goods with a skill level that far surpasses the average HOT stripper.

Plus, there are even other factors as to why a girl chooses to work here or there, factors that some may not have considered. I know of a particular girl that has a great personality, an absolute pro at soliciting drinks, but she will not work in certain clubs that may actually be more lucrative for her. Want to know why??? You won't believe it, but it's true, not only of her, but according to her, also true of many other bar girls she knows.

She has been a professional stripper for at least 5 years, and she chooses to work in a relatively low key club for less opportunity to make money because the club is not well lighted, and she can dance in the relative obscurity of the darkness on stage without feeling too embarrassed. She has a HOT body, a pretty face, and she's a very, very attactive flaca morena, but she is too embarrassed to dance in clubs that have more lighting.

I saw her once in the Casino Men's Club. She was considering working there. She was there with a few friends and she was deciding whether she might want to change clubs, just checking the place out, talking to management, perhaps deciding to dance on stage for a test run, etc...

We were sitting in the booth talking, and it was her turn to dance. She was growing increasingly nervous as her position in the dance que grew closer and closer in time. Then, abruptly when her time was up, she decided that she did not like the club, and she told me she had decided not to work there. She later told me that she did not like lighting on stage at Casino, too much of it. The Casino Mens Club has a lot of lighting on stage, a lot of patrons in the bar gawking at the girls on stage. The bar she works in now, the Extasis, doesn't have nearly the numbers of patrons in it, not even on a Friday night, and the stage is very, very, dimly lit. She makes considerable less dinero than she could probably make working at Casino, but she chooses to make considerably less money due to her own embarrassment factor.

So, all these factors enter into the selection available in Monterrey. I sometimes wonder if selection of street girls, massage parlor girls, and even street girls, etc...might not even be better in other cities in Mexico because the best looking, best personalities are all working in the strip clubs of Monterrey, and not typically on the streets, in the massage parlors, or the doors of hotels.

I don't mean to imply that selection is typically better in the smaller cities compared to Monterrey as a whole, but I am starting to wonder if quality of selection in the lower end venues such as street girls, massage girls, and door girls might not be better per capita than what one might find in the same venues of Monterrey...simply because the best graduation of quality of selection is already working in the strip clubs and not those other lower end venues. And, of course, with this potential, I am also assuming that relative lower cost in the smaller cities might also make the comparative selection in the smaller cities seem superior in those lower end venues to what is avaiable in those same lower end venues in Monterrey.

Jdfloresd

05-12-07, 00:25

Don't know if you guys have gone to medellin, but being I mexican and having lived in Monterrey for 10 years, I can tell you that with the amount you spent coming to monterrey just to monger, I would definitively instead go to Medellin, check the Medellin Forum, prices are lower and "chicas" are more available and more willing to offer good service, GFE, it really is much more cost-effective than Monterrey. Of course airfare is going to be more expensive, but in the end, experience is much better.

Ahhh, how much I'd like to be in medellin, instead of Monterrey!

Member #3453

05-12-07, 03:21

Hola JDfloresd,

No argument here...

I've never been to Medellin, but I have been to Cartegena. I have to admit that the todo la noche, GFE, experience is much more easily available in Colombia, and for a considerably lesser amount of money, even when factoring in the approximate $200 increase in RT airfare from my particular city in the USA versus the airfare to Monterrey.

To understand why some of us frequent Monterrey, you also have to understand that some of us can more easily justify a business trip to Mexico, to Monterrey specifically, a huge commercial center in Mexico, more easily than we can justify a trip to Colombia. And, in some cases, because we simultaneously conduct business in Monterrey, we can write off the travel expenses. That is not so nearly as easily done when traveling to some other venues for some of us. In addition...

Many of us have home lives that make regular international travel relatively complicated, and for some, impossible. I have pulled off a number of excuses over the years to travel all over the world, but in the final analysis, traveling to Monterrey is significantly easier. I know that it's probably not nearly as much potential enjoyment with respect to mongering, notwithstanding the huge enjoyment we get fraternizing with our regular buddies that live and visit Monterrey often. But, it serves to hold me over until I can find some half assed excuse to travel to a more rewarding destination.

However, with respect to strip clubs specifically, I suspect that the strip club experience in Medellin is not really quite to the standard of Monterrey. As I said, I have never been to Medellin specifically, but I can tell you that the strip club scene in Cartegena is terrible in comparison.

Of course, the mongering scene is far and away better than Monterrey with respect to selection, GFE, todo la noche, cost, etc...But, if you like terrorizing the strip clubs, and you enjoy the strip club environment, you won't find a better venue anywhere in the World for those kinds of activities than in Monterrey, IMHO.

Ahhhhhhh, how much I would like to be in Monterrey, Medellin, Cartegena, Bogota, San Jose, Jakarta, Bangkok, Pattaya, Batam, Phnom Phen, Singapore, or Bali, etc...than to be in the Corn Belt of the USA....Consider yourself damn fortunate!!! :-) The grass is always greener, verdad?

Don't know if you guys have gone to medellin, but being I mexican and having lived in Monterrey for 10 years, I can tell you that with the amount you spent coming to monterrey just to monger, I would definitively instead go to Medellin, check the Medellin Forum, prices are lower and "chicas" are more available and more willing to offer good service, GFE, it really is much more cost-effective than Monterrey. Of course airfare is going to be more expensive, but in the end, experience is much better.

Ahhh, how much I'd like to be in medellin, instead of Monterrey!

MonterreyDude

05-12-07, 08:15

Being local all my life (48 years now) and 25 years of doing night rounds nonstop, once in a while I have considered dream visits to SEA and SA.
Nope... can't agree as you say JdFlores.
No way can you monetarly justify a trip... just airfare kills you (specially SEA) and just to be there for a few days and then a vast amount of days, months between trips ... nope.
What I spend in money here all month long (visits to the Obsession and Prestige lunch buffets, visits to Infinito, Harem, Casino, Bahamas, Rancho Loco) would only give me 5 days at Medellin.
I wouldn't exchange that for the girls I have at the clubs and the fun I have with them... and all that just a car drive away.

And for our American friends... well, they are here for business or because it's easier for them to reach our destination. Not the other way around.
They are like us, they just can't go elsewhere....

Don't know if you guys have gone to medellin, but being I mexican and having lived in Monterrey for 10 years, I can tell you that with the amount you spent coming to monterrey just to monger, I would definitively instead go to Medellin, check the Medellin Forum, prices are lower and "chicas" are more available and more willing to offer good service, GFE, it really is much more cost-effective than Monterrey. Of course airfare is going to be more expensive, but in the end, experience is much better.

Ahhh, how much I'd like to be in medellin, instead of Monterrey!

Member #3453

05-12-07, 20:39

I have to concur with Carlos with respect to the potential that is available to one living in Monterrey. I have found some really great girlfriends in Monterrey over time, even after only being able to visit once a month for a week at a time, which is not even close to the amount of time that Carlos has available to him to work a plan patiently every week, several days a week actually.

I've been able to get to know a number of girls that I would have been able to turn into "real" girlfriends, ones that, if I had actually lived there, I know would have turned out to be real "novias" in the strictest sense of the word.

Those same kinds of GFE sessions are available much more easily in the other venues it seems, but none-the-less, the opportunity to experience GFE is available in Monterrey. And, if I lived there, I am also confident that the cost would be certainly less than what it would cost me to travel to other venues, even with respect to cost per session.

I do know that the same opportunity does NOT exist in the US, so I routinely travel to the destination that I can most easily justify, Monterrey. But, I must admit, at times, I do become frustrated after having experienced what the rest of the World has to offer compared to the lengthy effort required of Monterrey.

Monterrey does require more work than the other venues, and the cost per session is "INITIALLY" much higher. But, the quality of experience, once the ground work has been completely, is second to none comparatively worldwide.

Were I living in Monterrey, I suspect I might feel the same way about it as Carlos with respect to ROI (Return on Investment) as compared to worldwide travel to monger. But, since I must travel regardless, and I must travel where I can justify it, Monterrey offers an experience that I simply can not experience in the US, period. Some fun is better than none, verdad?

Being local all my life (48 years now) and 25 years of doing night rounds nonstop, once in a while I have considered dream visits to SEA and SA.
Nope... can't agree as you say JdFlores.
No way can you monetarly justify a trip... just airfare kills you (specially SEA) and just to be there for a few days and then a vast amount of days, months between trips ... nope.
What I spend in money here all month long (visits to the Obsession and Prestige lunch buffets, visits to Infinito, Harem, Casino, Bahamas, Rancho Loco) would only give me 5 days at Medellin.
I wouldn't exchange that for the girls I have at the clubs and the fun I have with them... and all that just a car drive away.

And for our American friends... well, they are here for business or because it's easier for them to reach our destination. Not the other way around.
They are like us, they just can't go elsewhere....

Watcher50

05-15-07, 14:13

And mainly, many guys read the posts, but don't pass along their experience here in Monterrey, nor ask questions.

Some do, but others just follow what we point out here in the forum.

This is not exclusive of this site, it has happened at the other Forums I post in.I saw you recommended American restaurants in the Centro area. What about good local restaurants? Nice upscale or midrange places with local food, and a bar?

Any changes in the local scene? I will be there next week. Have reservation at Crowne Plaza, but may change.

MonterreyDude

05-16-07, 08:01

The Centro restaurants are all American franchises.... and not exactly in the Centro area.
Upscale restaurant...
The Louisianna restaurant at the Zona Rosa... walking distance from the Radisson Ancira and 2 blocks away from the CP.
I always recomend it... international cuisine.
After that, you have to move to the Colonia del Valle area for all the good ones.

Seafood: Muelle 17 (any of both locations).
Chinese: Mandarin or the Chinese Express (AT COLONIA DEL VALLE... don't accept the clones at San Jeronimo Ave.
Regional: Deli norteño tacos (good, believe me, not a taco stand) El Papalote.
Regional high class: El Granero.
Local and good: El Rey del Cabrito.
Local and best: El Gran Pastor.
Red Meats (tons): San Carlos and Mirador (under renovation, but open)

Give me an idea of what you are looking for.. be glad to help.

And the local scene... well yes!! Unspongebob has taken care of ALL my chicas... am with out ONE!!!!!

No seriously... tell us what you are looking for..... dunno what are your preferences....

Just one thing to point out: CP is NOT girl friendly.

I saw you recommended American restaurants in the Centro area. What about good local restaurants? Nice upscale or midrange places with local food, and a bar?

Any changes in the local scene? I will be there next week. Have reservation at Crowne Plaza, but may change.

Watcher50

05-16-07, 14:10

The Centro restaurants are all American franchises.... and not exactly in the Centro area.

Upscale restaurant.

The Louisianna restaurant at the Zona Rosa... walking distance from the Radisson Ancira and 2 blocks away from the CP.

I always recomend it... international cuisine.

After that, you have to move to the Colonia del Valle area for all the good ones.

Seafood: Muelle 17 (any of both locations).

Chinese: Mandarin or the Chinese Express (AT COLONIA DEL VALLE... don't accept the clones at San Jeronimo Ave.

Regional: Deli norteño tacos (good, believe me, not a taco stand) El Papalote.
Regional high class: El Granero.

Local and good: El Rey del Cabrito.

Local and best: El Gran Pastor.

Red Meats (tons): San Carlos and Mirador (under renovation, but open)

Give me an idea of what you are looking for.. be glad to help.

And the local scene... well yes!! Unspongebob has taken care of ALL my chicas... am with out ONE!!!!!

No seriously... tell us what you are looking for..... dunno what are your preferences....

Just one thing to point out: CP is NOT girl friendly.Thanks CP! Where is the Colonia del Valle area? I have been studing the mapquest map of the Centro, but mapquest does not have "find address" feature in Monterrey. El Gran Pastor and El Rey del Cabrito sound interesting as does San carlos and Mirador.

I know CP is not girl friendly. That's why I have thought about changing. I wonder if I would want to bring a girl to my room. And CP seems to have other interesting things to see and do close by. Seems the Sheraton may be girl friendly, but no closer to Vilagren than CP. What's your take? Is the Vilagren area walkable from the CP?

I hope USB has left some chicas! I thought USB was only an occasional visitor. It would be most interesting to share a beer with either of you.

Member #3453

05-16-07, 14:26

i realize the gentleman was asking for authentic mexican restaurants in town, and probably of the "higher end" category, but...

don't forget el gaucho...excellent argentinian steaks...don't remember exactly where it is, but i think you have to cross the tunnel to get to it, along the main highway, right carlos?

and, if the gentleman likes buffets, he should definitely check out the 60 pesos lunch buffet at el prestige, after 2pm. it seems he may be already familiar with places like el prestige. i sense he already has some familiarity with monterrey through his post.

and, then, if he likes conventional buffets, i am partial to los generales as well. not to mention the sirloin stockade which is far and away better than their counterparts in the us for reasonable casual dining. there may be a better los generales, one better than the others in town, but i don't know which of them to recommend.

with the exception of el gaucho, which has a "higher end" kind of motif, the other recommendations are casual, relatively modestly priced.

and, carlos, you owe me a visit to a good taco stand too. lets see, based on your list, this deli norteño tacos looks appropriate.

why then, wasn't it you that was insisting that i eat at the taco stand outside of el infinito &%$*#$*(not) :-)))), just kidding.

and with respect to girls...i choose to hang with just one, while simulataneously searching for other options. and, with that in mind, i only took one of your girls. and, don't forget, you originally stole her from me. afterall, my "angel girl" was mine first, two and a half years ago. i can't think of a second one...well, maybe "v" at the harem, but i thought you were kind of through with her anyway...i can't think of any others that i may have "charmed" away from you. ohhhh, and what about angry girl, you have charmed her into some kind of potential for you. just don't make her "angry," verdad?

have you been back to see my girl at the new givenchy to assure her that i will be returning someday, uhhhhhhm? seriously, perhaps you have come across her. she is kind of an angry girl stand-in. same kind of high school body, except a little more meat on her bones, and the meat is seemingly in all the right places. she reminds me of angry girl because the first time i met her, she was wearing a baseball cap, and had that little pony tail sticking out from behind, kind of like angry girl with her caps and scrunchies. have to work on her sweetness though.

i haven't dreamed up a name for this one yet. she had this distinctive attitude that probably had more to do with her not particularly liking to be a hooker, that kind of thing. i just sensed that she is kind of mildly pissed off at life. not really a very happy disposition. i have to work on changing that. or completely dump her...i haven't decided which. go find her carlos, and tell me what you think. she works the night shift at givenchy, and when i found her, she had only been working a few weeks.

ya' know...some girls always give you that line...that they have only been working a few weeks...but, with me, they can't lie because i have been there since some of them were just out of [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) :-)

and the local scene... well yes!! unspongebob has taken care of all my chicas... am with out one!!!!!

no seriously... tell us what you are looking for..... dunno what are your preferences....

MonterreyDude

05-16-07, 17:06

Yes USB is right... forgot to mention El Gaucho too.

And no... I don't think Watcher meant restaurants as to include the Prestige's lunch buffet....
I forgot to mention El Regio an El Tio as local restaurants, but their glory days are long gone.
At the htoels they will always recomend El Tio... maybe because they get kickbacks or they have comercial exchanges between businesses, but they do send guests there. Not that it is bad, but as I said, there are better places now elsewhere.

I realize the gentleman was asking for authentic Mexican Restaurants in town, and probably of the "higher end" category, but...

Don't forget El Gaucho...excellent Argentinian Steaks...don't remember exactly where it is, but I think you have to cross the tunnel to get to it, along the main highway, right Carlos?

And, if the gentleman likes buffets, he should definitely check out the 60 pesos lunch buffet at El Prestige, after 2pm. It seems he may be already familiar with places like El Prestige. I sense he already has some familiarity with Monterrey through his post.

Money 69

05-16-07, 17:23

Try Los Legendarios, I eat there all the time, food is excellent.

Watcher50

05-17-07, 00:33

Thank you CP and USB for your input. Yes, I have been to Prestige, and had the buffet. If I remember the buffet was included in what I paid to get in. That was early in my Mexico experiences. Prestige has a way of separating you from your money very quick. I did sit with a very nice lady and got a dance or two from her, but did I pay for that. I know much more now, and won't go back. I found the girls in mid level places give better service. The high end place girls expect big bucks and know they don't have to do much for the money; they won't see the gringo again. I like your suggestion on the Mexican and the meat places. That's what I was looking for. I have Applebees here. I want to experience the locale where I am. I have been studing mapquest of the city, but mapquest does not have the address feature we have in the US or Canada. Where is the zone you refer?

I know the CP is not chica friendly. But I wonder if I would bring a girl to my room anyway. If I want GFE, I get it at home. I want some strange. It looks like there are other things to see around CP. The Sheraton may be more chica friendly, but not as well situated for other activities. What's your take?

Is the Vilagren area walkable from CP? I have walked both ends of the park with the government buildings and the pedistrian shopping area. Walking a mile is no big deal. It seems to be doable on the map, but I haven't been to that area. Is it safe to walk to? I can't wait to see all the chica bars!

It would be quite interesting to share a beer with either of you. Both of you have so much experience, and such different perspectives! Thanks again for your help!

Watcher50

05-17-07, 00:36

The Louisianna restaurant at the Zona Rosa... walking distance from the Radisson Ancira and 2 blocks away from the CP.
I always recomend it... international cuisine.

After that, you have to move to the Colonia del Valle area for all the good ones.

Seafood: Muelle 17 (any of both locations).

Chinese: Mandarin or the Chinese Express (AT COLONIA DEL VALLE... don't accept the clones at San Jeronimo Ave.

Regional: Deli norteño tacos (good, believe me, not a taco stand) El Papalote.
Regional high class: El Granero.

Local and good: El Rey del Cabrito.

Local and best: El Gran Pastor.

Red Meats (tons): San Carlos and Mirador (under renovation, but open)

Give me an idea of what you are looking for.. be glad to help.

And the local scene... well yes!! Unspongebob has taken care of ALL my chicas... am with out ONE!!!!!

No seriously... tell us what you are looking for..... dunno what are your preferences....

Just one thing to point out: CP is NOT girl friendly.Twice now I have tried to reply and it doesn't show up. Anyway, Thanks to both CP and USB for the help. Yes, the local Mexican restaurants, nice, but not too nice are what I am interested in. Argentinan sounds good too. Where is the zone you refer to. Mapquest is no good unless you kow where to look. Thanks again to both of you.

Member #3453

05-17-07, 02:01

Sure...I doubt he is particularly interested in the lunch buffet at Prestige...But, honestly, there are times when I am back here in the US that I sincerely miss the food at the lunch buffet at The Prestige.

It is more often than not, "OUTSTANDING!!!" And, for sixty pesos...plus you get one drink with it. I suppose some would say that the attraction there "should be" the girls. But, honestly, if the girls were NOT there, I would go just for the buffet.

As you know Carlos, I am not particularly thrilled with the girls, and were it not for the buffet, I would probably never return there. That says something about the girls...but, the buffet stands on it's own.

I don't think Watcher meant restaurants as to include the Prestige's lunch buffet....

Watcher50

05-17-07, 02:16

Sure...I doubt he is particularly interested in the lunch buffet at Prestige...But, honestly, there are times when I am back here in the US that I sincerely miss the food at the lunch buffet at The Prestige.

It is more often than not, "OUTSTANDING!!!" And, for sixty pesos...plus you get one drink with it. I suppose some would say that the attraction there "should be" the girls. But, honestly, if the girls were NOT there, I would go just for the buffet.

As you know Carlos, I am not particularly thrilled with the girls, and were it not for the buffet, I would probably never return there. That says something about the girls...but, the buffet stands on it's own.Thanks to CP and USB. I am having trouble getting posts up on this board. If this works this time I'll add more later.

Turista

05-17-07, 05:43

Hello everyone,

I am visiting MTy for the first time, and I wanted to find out more about the Massage Places. I saw that earlier on this thread, you were talking aobut Verssaces and others, but that was a few years ago.

I want to know which MP is better now, and what is the going rate?

I also so online a place called Misses. Do you know anything about that one?

Thank you,

Turista (from Oregon, USA)

MonterreyDude

05-17-07, 07:50

The reason is I think, recently joined members posts are moderated...
Please ask your questions... be gald to help.

Thanks to CP and USB. I am having trouble getting posts up on this board. If this works this time I'll add more later.

Member #3453

05-17-07, 12:17

Hola Watcher50,

With respect to the Prestige, your descriptions of most of the girls is totally accurate. It is one of the reasons that I commented that I am not particularly fond of the girls working the high end clubs. They think their "shit" does not stink, and that they should get paid top dollar for it. I am known to most of these girls, if not personally, then certainly on sight. And, I have gotten to know just how rotten some of them really are, and how disingenuous their motives are, even if you are nice to them.

You know, I realize they are there to make money, and that they are probably not the highest calibre individuals personally, but some of them are downright mean in their daily existence, and many of them are simply too in-love with themselves to ever yield anything that I would ever really desire of them, not even if they were buck naken spread out on mi cama. Some of them are just not "good people."

Frankly, I feel that the attitude from them has perhaps gotten worse over the last five years, but maybe it's because they know I will not spend any money with them, and because I actually know them. Carlos and I are fixtures in the Prestige and Obsession, and while Carlos does patronize some "nice" bad girls in these clubs with a moderate number of drinks, I generally choose just to do a hit & run at the buffets, opting instead to save my money for clubs like Infinito, El Cielo, and even some of the medium level clubs like Pasarelas or Harem. I have always found the girls in the high end clubs to be high on promise, just to sell you drinks or privados. The girls rate very low on delivery, and they are virtually worthless for GFE, or any other action outside the bars. If you patronize them at all with respect to privados, it will generally cost you what I pay for a full blown salida back at my hotel for four to six hours.

With respect to walking in Monterrey, I recommend...

You can take a taxi to Madero and Vilagran from CP, walk South on Vilagran from Madero and be perfectly safe. I have done so up to 4am, all night long between the clubs, never to have encountered a problem, none what-so-ever. There is always a first time, so be careful. But, I have just NEVER sensed any danger walking in the area. I have literally walked from Vilagran up to 10-12 blocks to the East and never, ever encounter even a hint of any danger, and that goes for between the hours of 8pm to 4-5am in the morning.

Walking the area where you have the gauntlet of clubs such as El Infinito, the "new" Givenchy, which is now located immediately North of El Infinito, Tangalay, and Parthenon, the clubs are so closely concentrated that you will just merely walk between them. There are several more clubs along Vilagran, all so close that you will have to walk to them, places like La Cava, to the South of El Infinito on Vilagran, and a few more "lowest of the low" along this gauntlet of clubs as well. I don't frequent many of the lowest of the low, so I don't really recall their names, but they're contained in the gauntlet along with the others I've mentioned...so knock yourself out...have a blast!!!

You can walk from the Vilagran area, where the gauntlet of clubs is located, to another club I recommend, to El Cielo, which is located two blocks North and approximately 1000 feet to the East from El Infinito, on Arteaga. Then, you also have the Matehuala, which is located three blocks North to Madero, and two blocks to the West of El Infinito, on Juan Alverez, visible from Madero and Vilagran if you look toward the Northwest side of Madero from Vilagran.

There is at least one other club that might be pretty decent too that's within walking distance, but I don't recall the name. It is walkable from El Cielo if you get over that way on foot. It is on the block immediately to the East and South of El Cielo, less than one block away from El Cielo. I think that club has some potential. I was in there one time, and thought that it had a few good girls in there, but I haven't really been back there to check it out thoroughly. I have been past there a few times as I make my normal rounds, and it always seems to be pretty busy with patrons, a good sign.

Carlos, do you remember the name of that bar?

I have literally walked from El Infinito to Extasis, which is six blocks to the East of El Infinito on Carlos Salizar, and to my hotel, which is 10-12 blocks to the East of El Infinito, as late as 4-5am, but usually in that instance I stick to Madero, which is very well lit.

I generally try to stick to Madero if walking long distances because some of those side streets get pretty dark at night. But, regardless, I have still walked some of them late at night, and never felt threatened. But, you know, things can change, if not in a heartbeat, then gradually over time.

There has been increased incidents of violence in Monterrey over the past several months, mostly due to the drug cartels, but nothing I can detect with respect to increased street crime in the area you are wanting to walk around.

But, potential for violence on the streets can sometimes change very gradually to the point where areas that were once safe to walk are no longer safe, and the reality creeps up on you. I don't sense that being the case at all in downtown Monterrey, but I believe that if and when it does occur, the transition may be so gradual that one may not really notice that things are getting more dangerous. So, just be aware of your surroundings and use your best street smarts.

I will not probably return to Monterrey until June, and unfortunately, we'll miss our opportunity to meet on this trip. I am tentatively looking at returning perhaps around June 16th to the 23rd. Have a great time!!!

Thank you CP and USB for your input. Yes, I have been to Prestige, and had the buffet. If I remember the buffet was included in what I paid to get in. That was early in my Mexico experiences. Prestige has a way of separating you from your money very quick. I did sit with a very nice lady and got a dance or two from her, but did I pay for that. I know much more now, and won't go back. I found the girls in mid level places give better service. The high end place girls expect big bucks and know they don't have to do much for the money; they won't see the gringo again. I like your suggestion on the Mexican and the meat places. That's what I was looking for. I have Applebees here. I want to experience the locale where I am. I have been studing mapquest of the city, but mapquest does not have the address feature we have in the US or Canada. Where is the zone you refer?

I know the CP is not chica friendly. But I wonder if I would bring a girl to my room anyway. If I want GFE, I get it at home. I want some strange. It looks like there are other things to see around CP. The Sheraton may be more chica friendly, but not as well situated for other activities. What's your take?

Is the Vilagren area walkable from CP? I have walked both ends of the park with the government buildings and the pedistrian shopping area. Walking a mile is no big deal. It seems to be doable on the map, but I haven't been to that area. Is it safe to walk to? I can't wait to see all the chica bars!

It would be quite interesting to share a beer with either of you. Both of you have so much experience, and such different perspectives! Thanks again for your help!

Member #3453

05-17-07, 12:36

Hey Money69,

Do you remember directions to Los Legendarios? I will put it in my PDA and check it out next time I am in Monterrey...or, Carlos, are you familiar with it, and can you advise it's location/address?

I had always heard that the El Al Restaurante, just a small hole in the wall, all-night diner, on Madero, East of Juarez, a couple of blocks on the South side of Madero, was a decent place to eat.

I had recent occassion to take a new girl there, and...

I had actually taken at least one girl there in the past, and at the time, it seemed ok. It is just a greasy spoon kind of place, but one that came recommended.

But, this last time, I took my new girl from the new Givenchy there around 2am. She was unfamiliar with it, and there really weren't too many other places open to take her at that hour of the morning. So, we went there for lack of other options that were close to my hotel. Anyway, she ordered a dish, and began eating it. For several minutes she ate, and eventually she started to pick through the food.

She then told me this food has hairs in it!!!

She moved some of the food around, pulling hairs out of the food with her fork to show me, pretty damned many hairs too. Anyway, I felt kind of bad about bringing her there, but realized that we had very few other options at that late hour. She did not hold me "responsible," but perhaps that contributed to her relatively sour deameanor.

This is the girl that I referred to in my former post as having a kind of sour attitude, which I mostly noticed at the restaurant...Her attitude wasn't necessarily directed toward me, but I suppose her disgust at the quality of the food understandibly yielded a sour disposition.

Toward me, in the room, she displayed some potential. But, I think we will have to make friends first. I will have to become known to her before this one will give up the GFE. So, perhaps if things work out in the future, she will be one of my other "options" in Monterrey.

Try Los Legendarios, I eat there all the time, food is excellent.

Member #3453

05-17-07, 15:05

Carlos is going to kill me, but...I feel the urge to...BASH MEXICO!!!

I have been waiting for some text messages from my "Angel Girl" in Monterrrey, just to determine if she is sincere or full of baloney. She texts me pretty regularly with short two word sentences, usually in mis-spelled Spanish, or wildly mis-spelled English. Lately, she has been irratic in her messages to me, sometimes seemingly texting me at very late hours of the day, at times that seem as though she is distressed about some aspect of her life. It seems like she is somehow getting comfort texting me when she is troubled.

It is kind of frustrating because she pledges her undying devotion to me, verbally, physically, and through her relatively frequent text messages, but not enough to satisfy my needy ass. And, like all Mexicanas, she is short on promises and long on delivery, sometimes...I should not be that hard on her. She is really a sweetheart, and I truly believe that she has strong, legitimate feelings for me, as I sincerely do for her. But, DAMN, I wish Mexicanas were a little more like this...

Case in point. I have not seen my Thai Girl favorita now for probably two years, but I do hear from her occassionally via text message. So, this morning, thinking I would just find out what my Thai girl is up to because I am contemplating a return to the Land of Smiles, I sent her a text message, just asking how she is doing, just a one liner, and I signed my name at the end of the message. I know it seems like I would be bringing sand to the beach by hooking up with my Thai girlfriend when there are so many others to be conquered, but I have a real desire to see her...and you will read why below.

Anyway, this morning...

Literally, within moments of my texting her, she answers my text with a huge deluge of things, questions about what have been up to, comments about her life going fine, things about what she is doing, where she is living, etc...and in pretty decent broken written english at that. And, remember, it is about 7pm in Thailand during the time I sent my message to her.

Four years ago, this girl did not speak any English. That is a huge testiment to her ability to learn from probably the multitudes of Farang she has known in her life as a Pattaya bar girl.

I met her about 4 years ago in a Go Go Club in Pattaya. She was a dancer, and had been on the job for a couple of months, maybe 6-8 weeks maximum. She was about 20 years old, and was a really cute Asian spinner, dancer qualtiy, etc...It is evident from her text this morning that her English has come a long way. Well, when I was in Pattaya, she asked me to buy her an English course book, which I did from the bookstore on Beach Road...who knows, maybe she has studied it and not necessarily learned English from her probably thousands of clients...NOT. :-)

Anyway, I don't want to sound like I am Mexicana bashing again, but this just goes to illustrate the differences between the Thai girl, "Asian," GFE, and what I am experiencing as GFE in Mexico. My "Angel Girl" has come the closest to any of my best GFE encounters worldwide, but even she leaves something to be desired in the followup department.

It isn't that she lacks anything necessarily when she is in the process of delivering the goods in person, but with respect to followup. All Mexicanas are seemingly electronically challenged, technologically ill-equiped, lacking money that even a comparatively poor Thai girl has available to re-charge her cell phone with minutes, or simply neglectful of maintaining relationships that they themselves wish to promote, even if they are only able to do so via text or email when I am not in Monterrey.

Furthermore, compared to the Thai girl...The Thai girl still has the same cell phone number from four years ago. The average Mexicana bar girl seemingly can not hold onto the same cell phone for more than a few months, either having to buy a new one because it has been stolen, or because they've lost it. And, the Mexicanas do not even have the experience or knowledge that they can renew their old number, maintain all their old contacts, even after their phones are lost or stolen. See, they just lack all experience when it has anything at all to do with technologico electronicos.

That's another thing, the Mexicanas don't seem to email shit, they don't have email addresses, they aren't familiar with how to use email...Crap, most of the Mexican bar girls I know are not even remotely familiar with computers period. But, the Asian girls are frickin glued to computers, usually answering emails with impeccable timeliness.

I mean, here is a Thai girl that I have been with a few times, usually several days at a time, over several separate visits, over the course of two-four years ago, but communicating between the two of us numerous times over the years. We have developed kind of a friendship in addition to the mongering elements of our encounters. We did have quite a bond between us, and I believe more of one than what might be typically experienced, but even if that is a totally dilusional perception on my part, she still is far superior to playing her GFE roll than any Mexicana I have ever met, bar none, and with very little anticipation that I will ever be back to see her again.

On many occassions over the past four years she has stayed in touch, never asked for anything, never prevailed on our friendship for money, etc...Of course, when in Thailand, I paid her the going rate. But, she always went out of her way, sometimes even with respect to covering some geography to make sure she saw me when I came to Thailand.

I remember one time arriving at the airport in Bangkok, and not really expecting her to be there. She had been walking the airport for hours, waiting for me to arrive because she wasn't sure what time I would be there. When I finally did arrive, she actually saw me from afar, followed me all the way through the airport, not really sure she recognized me from last time because it had already been about 2 years since I saw her, and I had lost a little weight as well.

I remember standing at the taxi counter downstairs in the BKK airport, and when I turned around, there she was, standing looking at me, wondering if it was me that had finally arrived. She looked exhausted, almost like a deer in the headlights. She told me she had been there at the airport for six hours. She did not know a flight number, a time of arrival, nothing except the date I was supposed to arrive. She had traveled up from Pattaya, probably by bus, which is probably at least a 3-4 hour ordeal coming by bus, and she had dutifully waited for me in the airport, just on the off chance, hoping I would arrive.

I was stupified!!! I just called out her first name, "On"? in total disbelief that she was there.

I was dumbfounded. I didn't expect her to actually be there because I had never confirmed anything with her. When I saw her, I just could not believe my eyes, how she had come all the way up from Pattaya on the off chance that she would find me in the airport on a day that she only believed I might be arriving.

Guys...nothing has ever compared to that kind of persistent GFE kind of endeavor, not anywhere else in the world, and certainly not in Mexico. The Mexicanas could learn a thing or two with respect to GFE, followup, etc...from the Asian girls. This kind of thing happens in the PI as well. As it stands now, my Angel Girl lives two hours from Monterrey, and she has difficulty making it to meet me. Get the comparison? But, in all fairness to her, she does have a young son, and a sick mother, and supposed numerous responsibilities that keep her tied down. So, I guess I should cut her some slack. I will cut her some slack because she is special to me, even if she does sometimes disappoint me a little.

This is not bashing my girl in Monterrey, but I would dearly love it if she had the persistence, discipline, technical education with respect to email, and the organizational skills of my Thai girl. Maybe I can get my "Angel Girl" to take lessons from her. Or, I don't know, maybe I need to take a vacation from Monterrey and revisit Thailand for a reprive from the typical Mexicana routine.

Porker

05-18-07, 06:46

I have observed that a recent "Notorious" visitor to Monterrey, one that has his own section on the board, restricts himself to only visiting the massage parlors, reports that they are shit, and is hung up an looking for streetwalkers around the downtown bus station.

WTF is the problem. He concentrates all of his effort on the lowest of the low in Monterrey. Hell, if you restrict yourself to only spending 100 pesos for BJs or FS, then what can you expect. I can get the same service for about $20US in my home town from the crack *****s in our own US ghettos, but I would never contemplate that kind of experience just because it is cheap.

I know I may be critical of the Monterrey scene, but we all know I am a perfectionista for GFE to the "inth" degree. So, my comments are based upon my own "continous improvement criteria." I am not nearly as down on Monterrey as my more recent commentary might suggest, certainly not to the extent of the notorious poster to whom I refer.

For the life of me, I can not figure out how a guy can visit Monterrey, spend the money to travel, the cost of hotels, etc...then, to avoid the low end clubs we have recommended, and to refer to the patrons in them as "Rancheros." I have never, in five years, scene more than a handful of really unruly individuals in these clubs. I have only witnessed the bouncers remove a handful of individuals who were causing problems...and that is over five years of visiting these same clubs. Where does he get this description that the clubs are full of "Rancheros?"

I respectfully submit that the reporting correspondent's commentary with respect to the quality of experience that can be had in Monterrey is totally and completely off the mark. I don't recognize any of the club names he reports on as being worthy of my visiting them. I have heard the names he reports on, certainly, but they are not clubs I would frequent. Why is he only naming clubs that are not part of the main stream Monterrey experience in his reports?

It is hard to imagine that this same individual has experience traveling all over Mexico, and compares the delights of Monterrey as though they were the bottom of the barrel. I submit that this individual is lost...He could have had an absolute blast in Monterrey. Oh well...to each his own.

I think you're being a little harsh on the guy. He was certainly enthusiastic about trying to get laid, but unfortunately a little undereducated about how to go about it. It's easy to tell somebody they should have read TFF, but sometimes the real info gets buried a bit with a lot of chatting back and forth between members. I think it's great that there's camaraderie here, but if you really wanted to find the nuts and bolts about how to get well laid in MTY, the info is a bit diluted. USB, your "Monterrey 101" type posts fill a useful info gap in that regard, IMO.

As for his uneducated opinion spewing, well I'm sure several of us were chuckling a bit about his posting style. But I just took it as a bit of a blowhard that finds himself a bit self-important on the internet, something very common in forums like these. People that would rather talk than listen. When they have little to no experience about what they're talking about, it certainly does sound a bit odd to those that know better.

But I think his reports were valuable as to what a first time visitor to MTY with limited advance information might see there. No real need to bash him over it.

Porker

05-18-07, 06:55

Regarding food in Monterrey, I will freely admit that I haven't been to the very high end places, but Mexican food is 100x better in the US Southwest than it is in Northern Mexico. Tacos are really THE local cuisine, and the quality of all ingredients (especially the cuts of meat) for Mexican food is better in the USA. I'd put my money on Applebees being the best non-1st class restaurant in Monterrey, myself, with the Olive Garden-esque Italiannis would be my #2 choice.

Unless, of course, you like GOAT, which is about the only unique local food. I don't eat it, up to you if you want to really experience something unique about the local cuisine.

If I wanted a local cuisine that's good, cheap and that is not readily available in the US, I'd eat tamales. There are a couple good tamale places on the same block as the Hotel Yamallel. You can also buy them at the deli at Soriana.

Porker

05-18-07, 07:15

MY opinion about mongering in Monterrey is that it's a GOOD option for those living in the US that don't have an opportunity/excuse to travel too far or take too much time off for mongering vacations. I really do understand the sense of adventure that many tourists from the US experience coming to a large Mexican city well away from the border.

There are some amazingly beautiful girls working in even the "low end" strip clubs in Monterrey, girls that make even the hottest bordertown girls look like over-the-hill skanks. The girls that charge 70 bucks at the busiest hooker bars in Tijuana would hardly stand out in the strip clubs of Monterrey. Monterrey's top tier girls would make 1000 bucks a NIGHT in Tijuana. With new cheap non-stop flights on VivaAerobus, I would be shocked if more MTY girls didn't start trying their luck there.

As USB mentions in some of his posts, there is excellent GFE available from very hot girls from the Monterrey strip clubs, but to someone used to Southeast Asia prices, it's expensive. If you want to experience USB's GFE world (which probably doesn't come close to WastedG's GFE world!), you better plan on spending at least 300 USD a day for hotel, food, ladies' drinks, ladies drinks, ladies' drinks and more LADIES' DRINKS, private dances and then 150 USD minimum for 2 hours with them in your hotel. While my amigo Carlos opines that's some sort of bargain (and those of you from the US may agree), 300 bucks a day is 2 1/2 times what I spend in Asia, and, IMO, the GFE act in Mexico is nowhere near what you get in the Philippines and maybe Indonesia at a much lower price. Even considering airfare, if you have a week or more, Asia's a no-brainer in my book.

IMO USB is overly harsh on the massage places. I have spent 100's of more hours on 'research' in these places than he has, and while the scene is indeed usually disappointing, every once in awhile you will find someone there that is indeed well worth the effort of seeking out. Your sessions there are going to be rather clinical, but what do you really expect for 10-30 bucks where you point at the girl, pay her and then get to the sex part? Repeat visits and tips can pay excellent dividends, even in the dive low-end massage places. The best massage girls I've had in my years of prowling Monterrey were easily as good as all but the best of the strip club girls performance-wise, and several of them wouldn't have been out of place working at even the highest end strip clubs. But they're not always easy to find with 30+ massage places advertising in the Sol every day, and they may not give you their best if you pay for the most basic session and don't offer any incentive for them to perform. You certainly do have to wade through a lot of crap in the massage places to find a worthwhile experience. For someone there on a short visit, it probably doesn't make much sense to pound the pavement looking for a winning lotto ticket. The strip clubs are a much surer thing.

Porker

05-18-07, 07:21

As far as getting from the Zona Rosa to the "fun" areas (near the Central Camionera, or main bus station), I'd personally advise taking the Metro (subway). 5 pesos and a 20 minute ride, and you're dropped off 2 blocks from the Matehuala strip club. Getting home may require you to take a taxi back, as the Metro only runs til about 11 PM or so. I walk a LOT in Monterrey, and it's a good 50+ minute walk from the Zona Rosa to the Matehuala, something most are not going to want to do in the daytime heat and humidity that is hard to escape most of the year in MTY.

Porker

05-18-07, 07:29

USB, re: comparing your Thai text mate with your Mexican "GF", Mexicanas are gonna lose that war every time. The concept of getting a gringo to financially sponsor them just doesn't really dawn on Mexican girls as a possibility. They're pretty damned naive about this, as that's the first thing an Asian hooker learns: "If I rock a guy's WORLD, I can potentially get RICH (according to their standards)". Mexican hookers only see the finish line and want to move on to the next sucker with a little cash in his pocket. Stupidly short-sighted.

As far as your thoughts about Mexicans and technology, I think that they're well behind most of Asia in use of cellphones and the internet, but it's possibly because those things are significantly more expensive in Mexico than they are in Asia due to monopoly pricing for telecom services and the high cost of relatively shitty quality of electronics goods in Mexico. But believe me, internet use is growing like wildfire in Mexico, as is cellphone use. It won't be too long before Mexican bargirls are consumed by their use just like everybody else is.

MonterreyDude

05-18-07, 08:32

As the Bible says, the Last will be the First, so am answering my friend Porkmeister's last post.

Let's... where shall I start....

1. Porker and many see the wrong side of the coin. Mexico is not as screwed up as SEA countries and that is a real fact. Girls here see prostitution as a resort to get money, but there are other places where they can get honest money at low incomes. Contrary to that, SEA girls just don't have an option to survive.
2. Mexican girls do not need an American sponsor cause they get good money from both Mexican and American customers and sorry to tell this, but time and time again I have pointed out that in Mexico, locals have no fear in leaving more money at the clubs as Americans do. The girls get good commisions out of this and the plus is getting extras inside the club. May I counter what Porker says "Mexican hookers only see the finish line and want to move on to the next sucker with a little cash in his pocket. Stupidly short-sighted."... this is SO wrong. You only see the working class clubs in this statement... moderate priced clubs and up are a whole different world.
3. Mexican hookers do know the use of internet, they just don't need to waste time on people that won't come back to see them again.
4. A Monterrey Mexican club girl at the high end clubs get at least 500 pesos per night. And that is a low quote. That gives us $1500 dlls per month... how much time shall I give a SEA girl see that figure in her hand????
5. High quotes: High end club girls earn 5000 per night, moderate priced clubs earn 1000 pesos per night and working class clubs, 500 pesos per night.
6. Why should the girls worry about a GFE situation if they are busy getting money?
7. There are girls that will give you GFEs but both you Porker and USB have weird standars of measuring that. Both of you have in common that GFE should be acompanied by a less than 35 dlls figure.
8. Both of you guys want the girls to impress you. Both of you know that I impress the girls... if I weren't married I would have at least 5 girls oscilating on the range of 18 to 27 years old.
9. Time and time again I have told you both, "this is not SEA" you need double the effort.
10. Contrary to SEA, customers in Mexico are locals averaging 23 years old with money in their pockets (contrary to said SEA).
11. It takes TRIPLE the effort to defeat that... you guys want it to come "just like that".
12. It's 2:25 am. Am just in from the clubs. My Harem darling just told me an hour ago for the first time, "I fucking like you". Am 48 and she is 27. You know how many times I have heard this... 3 times in the last 4 months.
13. No unlucky number 13
14. I will never trade Mexico for SEA on the grounds that it's cheaper over there and GFE is easier to be found.
15. I just don't doubt for a fraction of a second that it might be cheaper, but what ever, hookers and protitution is the same here and over there. .. they are just doing there job: They want money.
16. I just want to see the Timex Test: tell them this "I don't have any money for you now and onwards,.. can I get a freebie???"... I just want to hear the answer... same one I would get here in Monterrey, Mexico.

USB, re: comparing your Thai text mate with your Mexican "GF", Mexicanas are gonna lose that war every time. The concept of getting a gringo to financially sponsor them just doesn't really dawn on Mexican girls as a possibility. They're pretty damned naive about this, as that's the first thing an Asian hooker learns: "If I rock a guy's WORLD, I can potentially get RICH (according to their standards)". Mexican hookers only see the finish line and want to move on to the next sucker with a little cash in his pocket. Stupidly short-sighted.

As far as your thoughts about Mexicans and technology, I think that they're well behind most of Asia in use of cellphones and the internet, but it's possibly because those things are significantly more expensive in Mexico than they are in Asia due to monopoly pricing for telecom services and the high cost of relatively shitty quality of electronics goods in Mexico. But believe me, internet use is growing like wildfire in Mexico, as is cellphone use. It won't be too long before Mexican bargirls are consumed by their use just like everybody else is.

MonterreyDude

05-18-07, 08:47

USB, my friend... "At least my Thai girl still loves me..."
You are losing perspective...
She is stil part of the "business".
She is emailing an option... you. You just don't know if you are the only one or part of the lot.
She sent you an email with info you just don't know if its' true. HELL! you just don't know if it's her!
She is still screwing customers for money.
If she were earning centavos at a civilian job, maybe I would pay attention to her.
Again,... she is still screwing customers for money. She is now 24 years old... if that is OLD here in Mty, I wonder if she is getting to the last stages of her career in Thailand.
Again: right now, she must be screwing customers for money.

Carlos is going to kill me, but...I feel the urge to...BASH MEXICO!!!

I have been waiting for some text messages from my "Angel Girl" in Monterrrey, just to determine if she is sincere or full of baloney. She texts me pretty regularly with short two word sentences, usually in mis-spelled Spanish, or wildly mis-spelled English. Lately, she has been irratic in her messages to me, sometimes seemingly texting me at very late hours of the day, at times that seem as though she is distressed about some aspect of her life. It seems like she is somehow getting comfort texting me when she is troubled.

It is kind of frustrating because she pledges her undying devotion to me, verbally, physically, and through her relatively frequent text messages, but not enough to satisfy my needy ass. And, like all Mexicanas, she is short on promises and long on delivery, sometimes...I should not be that hard on her. She is really a sweetheart, and I truly believe that she has strong, legitimate feelings for me, as I sincerely do for her. But, DAMN, I wish Mexicanas were a little more like this...

Case in point. I have not seen my Thai Girl favorita now for probably two years, but I do hear from her occassionally via text message. So, this morning, thinking I would just find out what my Thai girl is up to because I am contemplating a return to the Land of Smiles, I sent her a text message, just asking how she is doing, just a one liner, and I signed my name at the end of the message. I know it seems like I would be bringing sand to the beach by hooking up with my Thai girlfriend when there are so many others to be conquered, but I have a real desire to see her...and you will read why below.

Anyway, this morning...

Literally, within moments of my texting her, she answers my text with a huge deluge of things, questions about what have been up to, comments about her life going fine, things about what she is doing, where she is living, etc...and in pretty decent broken written english at that. And, remember, it is about 7pm in Thailand during the time I sent my message to her.

Four years ago, this girl did not speak any English. That is a huge testiment to her ability to learn from probably the multitudes of Farang she has known in her life as a Pattaya bar girl.

I met her about 4 years ago in a Go Go Club in Pattaya. She was a dancer, and had been on the job for a couple of months, maybe 6-8 weeks maximum. She was about 20 years old, and was a really cute Asian spinner, dancer qualtiy, etc...It is evident from her text this morning that her English has come a long way. Well, when I was in Pattaya, she asked me to buy her an English course book, which I did from the bookstore on Beach Road...who knows, maybe she has studied it and not necessarily learned English from her probably thousands of clients...NOT. :-)

Anyway, I don't want to sound like I am Mexicana bashing again, but this just goes to illustrate the differences between the Thai girl, "Asian," GFE, and what I am experiencing as GFE in Mexico. My "Angel Girl" has come the closest to any of my best GFE encounters worldwide, but even she leaves something to be desired in the followup department.

It isn't that she lacks anything necessarily when she is in the process of delivering the goods in person, but with respect to followup. All Mexicanas are seemingly electronically challenged, technologically ill-equiped, lacking money that even a comparatively poor Thai girl has available to re-charge her cell phone with minutes, or simply neglectful of maintaining relationships that they themselves wish to promote, even if they are only able to do so via text or email when I am not in Monterrey.

Furthermore, compared to the Thai girl...The Thai girl still has the same cell phone number from four years ago. The average Mexicana bar girl seemingly can not hold onto the same cell phone for more than a few months, either having to buy a new one because it has been stolen, or because they've lost it. And, the Mexicanas do not even have the experience or knowledge that they can renew their old number, maintain all their old contacts, even after their phones are lost or stolen. See, they just lack all experience when it has anything at all to do with technologico electronicos.

That's another thing, the Mexicanas don't seem to email shit, they don't have email addresses, they aren't familiar with how to use email...Crap, most of the Mexican bar girls I know are not even remotely familiar with computers period. But, the Asian girls are frickin glued to computers, usually answering emails with impeccable timeliness.

I mean, here is a Thai girl that I have been with a few times, usually several days at a time, over several separate visits, over the course of two-four years ago, but communicating between the two of us numerous times over the years. We have developed kind of a friendship in addition to the mongering elements of our encounters. We did have quite a bond between us, and I believe more of one than what might be typically experienced, but even if that is a totally dilusional perception on my part, she still is far superior to playing her GFE roll than any Mexicana I have ever met, bar none, and with very little anticipation that I will ever be back to see her again.

On many occassions over the past four years she has stayed in touch, never asked for anything, never prevailed on our friendship for money, etc...Of course, when in Thailand, I paid her the going rate. But, she always went out of her way, sometimes even with respect to covering some geography to make sure she saw me when I came to Thailand.

I remember one time arriving at the airport in Bangkok, and not really expecting her to be there. She had been walking the airport for hours, waiting for me to arrive because she wasn't sure what time I would be there. When I finally did arrive, she actually saw me from afar, followed me all the way through the airport, not really sure she recognized me from last time because it had already been about 2 years since I saw her, and I had lost a little weight as well.

I remember standing at the taxi counter downstairs in the BKK airport, and when I turned around, there she was, standing looking at me, wondering if it was me that had finally arrived. She looked exhausted, almost like a deer in the headlights. She told me she had been there at the airport for six hours. She did not know a flight number, a time of arrival, nothing except the date I was supposed to arrive. She had traveled up from Pattaya, probably by bus, which is probably at least a 3-4 hour ordeal coming by bus, and she had dutifully waited for me in the airport, just on the off chance, hoping I would arrive.

I was stupified!!! I just called out her first name, "On"? in total disbelief that she was there.

I was dumbfounded. I didn't expect her to actually be there because I had never confirmed anything with her. When I saw her, I just could not believe my eyes, how she had come all the way up from Pattaya on the off chance that she would find me in the airport on a day that she only believed I might be arriving.

Guys...nothing has ever compared to that kind of persistent GFE kind of endeavor, not anywhere else in the world, and certainly not in Mexico. The Mexicanas could learn a thing or two with respect to GFE, followup, etc...from the Asian girls. This kind of thing happens in the PI as well. As it stands now, my Angel Girl lives two hours from Monterrey, and she has difficulty making it to meet me. Get the comparison? But, in all fairness to her, she does have a young son, and a sick mother, and supposed numerous responsibilities that keep her tied down. So, I guess I should cut her some slack. I will cut her some slack because she is special to me, even if she does sometimes disappoint me a little.

This is not bashing my girl in Monterrey, but I would dearly love it if she had the persistence, discipline, technical education with respect to email, and the organizational skills of my Thai girl. Maybe I can get my "Angel Girl" to take lessons from her. Or, I don't know, maybe I need to take a vacation from Monterrey and revisit Thailand for a reprive from the typical Mexicana routine.

Member #3453

05-18-07, 12:56

Where did you all come from...There is so much here to respond to that I will need to pace myself. And...I promise to be as "brief" >:-)))). I am so excited anticipating my responses that I am absolutely giddy.

Porker...what has gotten it you...Are you back with a vengence? Thank God!!!

MJ, I wondered where you went. My comments in particular concerning my definition of GFE are going to be ammunition against me for many :-) You will enjoy them immensely...I promise.

Carlos...I knew my rantings about Asia versus Mexico would serve as a catalyst to bring you into the fray, and Porker's further collaboration pushed you over the edge, mooooohahahahah >:-).

The board has been sooooooooooo frickin' dead lately. I will take the time to answer each and every one of your excellent comments in due time...But, I will need to take time to savor a response to my rebuttal or agreement with all your respective positions.

LOOK OUT!

MonterreyDude

05-18-07, 17:07

I think I wrote some time ago that MJ is now local and sees the business as I do.
I agree with both his posts
Except with the "lost cell phone" part... the girls really lose their cell phones when they are drunk or some envious waiter and fellow club girl will rob them... I guess I have seen that repeat itself on some girls more than once.
The phones WILL get lost specially if someone is aware that said phone contains compromising ictures and/or video.
Since the girls have the sufficient money to get a new phone, they don't bother to rescue their old number. They keep the new one specially since both Telcel and Movistar offer free time when they buy the new equipment.

And Mil, am going to be blunt but this is incorrect: "USB is very decisive about what he wants and that works for him precisely because he is very specific in his likes"

I mean blunt and incorrect because this is decidedly USB's perdition.
He's sticking to one girl only and I have time and time again pointed out his mistake.
Am not kidding Mil... he is stuck with only one.
He's been here so many times and he has only been able to work on one.

Mil, can you please tell USB something, anything???
Cause he is not paying attention to me.

Member #3453

05-19-07, 13:03

I have to agree that if a guy were just limiting himself to only one girl, the end result would probably be as many have suggested...a let down.

But, the reality of my situation is different than what has been represented. I am not limiting myself to one girl. I am selecting one girl based on my own preference to be with her, because she is far superior to any I have formerly been with in Monterrey, and far superior to any I anticipate experiencing out of the pool of available bar girls in Monterrey in the future.

This last trip to Monterrey, I bar fined a new girl in addition to my "favorita." And, I have scouted several clubs for new girls, working them accordingly, setting up future endeavors. I have one at Tangalay, two at Harem, four at Pasarelas, two at Givenchy, and probably more that I am forgetting to mention.

Carlos is regularly commenting that I have stolen all the available inventory in Monterrey, especially when there is a new girl. He usually finds that I have already been there. So, I am not guilty as charged. I am guilty of having a preference for my "Angel Girl," but not guilty of totally limiting my other options. I know better.

You see, I simply have a "favorita" in Monterrey, a girl that far and away delivers my brand of GFE better and more sincerely, even if only acted out, than any of literally a couple hundred I have taken on salida in Monterrey over five years.

I could understand if some might believe my "strategy" were born out of naivete, especially if I had only bar fined a few girls here or there, if I were a newbie. But, I have bar fined a couple hundred in Monterrey alone, and have experience in many other venues. I am fortunate to be in a position to use these experiences to gauge a comparison, to use that experience as a bench mark that enables me to comparison shop, providing me a perspective that many may not necessarily have at their own disposal.

Humbly I say...I don't mention this to brag of my experience. I merely point out that I can understand why some might have apprehension or skepticism about my judgement as to what I may have found unique in this one particular girl. But, she is "unique." I have a vast sphere of experience and a worldwide frame of reference to compare her performance to, and her performance is "unique." So, my conclusions about her are based on a wide range of experiences not only in Monterrey but in many other parts of the world.

But, lets keep everything in perspective. We all know that performance varies based on "chemistry." With this same girl, your mileage may vary, just as my mileage may vary with respect to girls that you might recommend. There is more to be said for chemistry than meets the eye, and I firmly believe that girls that come as "recommended" are totally dependent on our own likes and dislikes, chemistry, attitudes, etc...

Angel Girl, and most girls in general, obviously have the capacity to deliver the goods the way we like them. Girls have the capacity to probably deliver in general to anyone. But the quality of the delivery is dependent on the chemistry that exists to begin with. That is what makes, at least for me anyway, Angel Girl "unique."

There have been a few in Monterrey that were similar in GFE, but they were obviously acting out their affections, and I was able to feel that from them in a relatively short period of time. Those girls were still good bar fines, and I enjoyed my time with them, but in a relatively short time our encounters went from GFE to increasingly mechnical in nature. This one does not give me that feeling. She is totally immersed in her role. That is, of course, assuming it is a role, which I am beginning to sincerley doubt at this juncture.

The costs, the ROI, tell the story. I am totally GFE'ed to the inth degree with this girl, including passionate sex, with her being totally sincere in every respect, and it costs me less, hourly, than if I had somebody cut my lawn, and payment is at my discretion, totally.

My brand of GFE is very similiar to what Carlos describes in his definition. I am not really interested in the mechanical delivery of sex from a chica, not even if the eventual outcome is to get my nut off. I don't mean that as a criticism of those that like both scenarios, such as yourself MJ. And, admitedly, if I find a girl that's HOT, and she is not GFE, but HOT, HOT, HOT, I enjoy getting in on with her, even mechanically, just as much as the next guy. But, that is not necessarily what I prefer or seek out. If I had my choice between the two, I would choose the moderately attractive girl for GFE, my "Angel Girl," who has the most gorgeous ass in MTY by the way, in lieu of a totally "HOT Girl" that delivers the goods, but lacking much GFE, even if they were both the exact same cost.

Here are my criteria for excellent GFE. I have reiterated those attributes that Carlos mentioned, embellished them, and added a few more. But, MJ, I must qualify my comments here in pointing out that we do differ with respect to my wanting the girls to hang around LT (long time), versus your preference that they leave within a couple of hours.

I do not like to see the girls leave. I enjoy having a girl with me. I do eventually grow tired, wanting them to leave, just as you describe about yourself, but I like them to hang around much longer than just a couple of hours. I think it could have to do with a difference in our ages. You will have to let me know if you morph into a Spongebob look-a-like by the time you reach your early fifties. That might be interesting to know how age affects the overall criteria for GFE. Personally, I think the age influences are huge, as are the influences with respect to married or unmarried, children, and specifically if one has experienced raising daughters as I have. I believe that my past experiences give me a perspective into the mind of some girls that proves to be very effective at bringing out potential GFE....Just a theory.

With respect to LT versus short time, I really enjoy their companionship, which is what separates me from most mongers I know. My criteria for excellent GFE are things that might be construed as having a real girlfriend...but, in my case, that is not really something I am available for. But, none the less, it is what I enjoy. And, it is also what makes my criteria so hard for the average Mexican bar girl to live up to...I realize that.

Many will possibly say I am looking for a legitimate girlfriend, and not a prostitute. But, I am not able to entertain the idea of a legitimate girlfriend, so I need my girls to morph into something that is not particularly easy for them to possibly understand. I am almost certain that most girls do not understand me, and do not understand what I am actually looking for. My Angel Girl does.

Here is my perfect GFE girl:

1. A girl that smiles and jokes around alot.
2. A girl whose eyes twinkles.
3. A girl with a bubbly attitude (jokes around).
4. A girl that hugs a lot.
5. A girl that kisses a lot, on the lips.
6. A girl that cuddles.
7. A girl that seems "hot" in the privado area.
8. A girl that after all this is good in the sack-which to me means a girl that demonstrates a swooning passion from foreplay, working her way into a frenzied lustful kind of decadent desire to screw me like crazy, but to do it with considerable affection, kissing, hugging, but evenutally, and animalistic kind of desire without restraint :-)
9. A girl that is playful.
10. A girl that initiates sex.
11. A girl that shows a sincere desire to hang around with me doing other things.
12. A girl that shows a sincere desire to do things with me that go beyond just sex, things like movies, dinner, shopping, ice cream...actual dating kinds of activities.
13. A girl that does not mind being seen with a man twice her age in public. Although, one that is mindful of society's prohibitions to such things, and is discrete otherwise, not causing too much embarrassment for on-lookers. This is not something you have to concern yourself with too much in the East. It is primarily a social taboo in Western society it seems.
14. A girl that hangs onto to me when we walk together, caressing me, etc...
15. A girl that kisses me, discretely, on the lips, in public and private, without any prompting from me whatsoever.
16. A girl that gazes into my eyes.
17. A girl that does not always need to be paid.
18. A girl that does not prevail upon my generosity too much when we shop together.
19. A girl that does things other than sex to demonstrate affection.
20. A girl that remembers things I have told her in the past, and knows me.
21. The girl must be very ticklish so I can torture her accordingly. :-) Part of the playful aspect of things.
22. A certain number of girls are overly sensitive with respect to foreplay. The best GFE girls like a lot of foreplay, and enjoy oral sex performed on them, and they are not too sensitive in that area for pocket rockets and oral sex to be performed on them. My experience is that about 40% of girls are perfect, 40% are slightly too sensitive in that area, and 20% don't like it or are indifferent to it being performed on them.
23. A girl should like to listen to music, to savor the romance of the experience.

My circumstances with "Angel Girl" exist primarily because I prefer her delivery of GFE, and I like her reactions to the things I do. She delivers an extremely sincere version, even by the standards I have illustrated above. She has demonstrated her capacity for GFE more than any other girl I have ever met. She has consistently delivered outstanding quality now for almost (8) months. Usually, when I have found a girl that I particularly like, I begin to notice "cracks in her porcelain" well before now. Usually, within only a couple of salidas I start to notice that act coming through.

But, in this instance with "Angel Girl," the act is not discernable. That doesn't mean that I have discounted the idea that it is all and act, or that I am "committed" to anything with her, other than to patronize her more loyaly than the others in Monterrey. I simply patronize her because she delivers exactly what I am looking for with NO discernable insincerity.

Other girls have done the same thing in other countries, primarily in Asia and Colombia, but not in Mexico. That is why I am so hard on the Mexicana with my commentary. They do not generally compete well with the attitudes, acting ability, whatever we wish to call it, compared to girls in some of the other venues.

We can get into a lengthy discussion as to "why" the girls act like they do toward us, what their attitudes are toward the emotion of "love," etc...which is really not important if the goods are being delivered optimumly. Many guys are always telling me "why" my girls are doing this or that, acting a certain way toward me. But, the bottom line is, the girls I like, my favorites, are doing "it" the right way, while many, many others are too lazy, greedy, and/or amateurish to deliver the goods consisitenly. They eventually fail to maintain my interest level, and to ensure my loyal patronage over time. The "WHY" doesn't really matter to me.

Frankly, MJ, when you first commented a couple of months ago to me, you mentioned how sometimes these girls develop serious feelings for us, feelings that can result in legitimate heartache for them. I must admit that I am sincerely concerned that perhaps things are going too far in that respect with my "Angel Girl." I am concerned that it may not be an act on her part, and that she is not being insincere with me. I am more concerned that by patronizing her with my own brand of BFE sincerity, I am being insincere with her. I hope not, but that too has me a little concerned.

But, if her's is an act, she is an outstanding actress. And, if she is an outstanding actress, then I am certainly getting my money's worth with respect to my brand of GFE. So, why would we, the two of us, want anything to change. Whether she is in fact getting a BFE, or whether she is financially enriched as a result of seeing me and that is her only motivation, then I am happy. So, I see little reason to patronize others if I can have what makes me happy in exchange for whatever small sums of money I do pay her.

And, MJ, you mentioned this before too, which is an interesting observation. I do agree that what motivates my "Angel Girl" are things that have more to do with her own sociological influences than actual "love" per se. Like you said before, to be sincerely treated like she is worth something is a pretty heady thing for a young Mexican lower class girl. And, to be treated with the appreciation that is characterstic of my BFE treatment (Boy Friend Experience) is usually something that most Mexican girls do not seem to experience from most of their lower class boyfriends. The sociology has a tremendous influence on how the girls define "Love," and the "BFE." And, the sociology of the lower class Mexican bar girl sometimes serves me well in soliciting GFE from them, probably resulting from sociological influences I will never fully understand as a Gringo.

I am aware of that, even though I may not thoroughly understand the influences that motivate them. I am sincerely, at this juncture, concerned that I am setting her up for a real heartache, something that I did not intend to happen. But, now things have progressed, even for me, beyond just the fantasy of the experience, and my concern is for my friend and lover, that she not be sincerely hurt by seeing me. If on the other hand, it is an act, my concerns are of no consequence, and I can relax with respect to any guilt I might feel over having romanced my girl into some kind of eventually hurtful let down.

My Angel Girl is smart and savy. She has a very strong personality, not strong willed or bitchy, but emotionally courageous. I sense that quality in her personality. I have to assume that even if her feelings are legitimate, she is intellegent enough to understand the limitations of our relationship, something I have explained to her numerous times, just on the off chance that all of this "romance" coming from her is legit. But, none-the-less, if her feelings are legit, I am not entirely sure I want the ride to end, even if her eventual hurt is the final consequence to her for entering into her chosen profession, and exposing her vulnerabilities to me.

Member #3453

05-20-07, 02:48

"Assailants shot dead a police commander in a wealthy Monterrey suburb on Saturday, the latest in a wave of killings of law enforcement officials across Mexico.

Mario Sanchez, 47, was killed by gunmen wielding automatic rifles after he finished a night shift in San Nicolas de los Garza, one of Mexico's most affluent municipalities, Mexican media reported.

Gunmen linked to drug-trafficking gangs have been increasingly targeting police and soldiers as President Felipe Calderon wages a national offensive against drug cartels, who make billions of dollars smuggling cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine and heroin into the United States."

A huge number of bar girls live in San Nicholas. I thought it was considered a relatively "working class" area. Why do they describe it as an affluent suburb of Monterrey?

I hope the violence will come to an end soon. This kind of thing does not happen in the modern day USA. 1930's Chicago, yes...today? No way!

It does give one pause that the violent crime issues that were formerly primarily found in the border towns and Mexico City, are becoming increasingly common in Monterrey, especially violent crimes directed at high ranking police officials. I, for one, will feel much more comfortable traveling to Monterrey when this all blows over.

El Cabron 007

05-20-07, 05:58

I did not read the entire posts but just scanned through them real quick.

Let me tell you what I found out and it shold speak for itself:

I had my sI did not read the entire posts but just scanned through them real quick.

Let me tell you what I found out and it should speak for itself:

I had my share of GFE where I was truly in love. One day, she left her cell phone behind and I scanned through it. Every word of love that was sent to me had been sent to ten other guys. Every call she made to me, with her thinking I do not understand Spanish, had been made while in bed with me to other guys. She played them the same exact way she played me. Did not need any other clarifications. I was one of many while I thought I was the one and only.

GFE is true, but it is offered to countless others and every one of us felt we were the only one. It's their job and they do it well.

Heck, I am given the same from a girl that 'assumingly' belongs to one of my friends. Same words he heard where said to me after she was done with him. Did I make that clear? My friend would tell me what he had and she world turn around and give it again to me telling me I am the one and only.

GFE for a price. Professionally offered to make you feel special.

Fall for it and you're a fool.

I have done other guys' girls. What do you want to call that? Cheating? No. It their job. And it obviously works..... but not on me. Not any more.

Again, she gives you GFE because she is has been given to others. She’s good at it and it shows. … You’re not the only and only. She is working and doing a hell of a job.

Was I clear?

Wasted

hare of GFE where I was truely in love. In summary, she left her cell phone behind and I scanned through it. Every word of love that was sent to me had been sent to ten other guys. Every call she made to me, with her thinking I do not understand Spanish, had been made while she was in bed with me to other guys. She played them the same exact way she played me. Did not need any other calrifications. I was one of many while I thought I was the one and only.

GFE is true, but it is offered to counltess others and everyone of us felt we were the only one. It's thri job and they do it well.

Heck, I am given the same from a girl that 'assumingly' belongs to one of my friends. Same words he told me about where said to me after she was done with him. Did I make that clear? My friend would tell me what he had and she wold turn around and give it again ot me telling me I am the one and only.

GFE for a price. Profissionally offered to amke you feel special.

Fall for it and you're a fool.

I have done other guys' girls. What do you want to call that? Cheating? No. Its their job. And it obvuiously works..... but not on me. Not any more.

Was I clear?

Wasted

Member #3453

05-20-07, 13:00

I agree with your post completely. Nobody is talking about making life changing commitments to these kinds of girls. Some of the girls have the same motice operandi you described with respect to flattering us, not many, but some are good at it. Most, frankly, in my experience, do not try that hard.

Most of the girls in Monterrey are not up to my standard of GFE, and were they to pledge their undying love to me, I would not believe it. Frankly, most of them are not believable even when they tell us in person that they are madly in love with us. That speaks volumes about their acting ability. That is what GFE is all about. Some are much better at it than others at working their clients.

With respect to cell phone communication, I just like receiving texts from them. It's kind of like going out to the mailbox to fetch the mail everyday, or checking to see if there are any interesting emails received each day, or checking the boards to see what might have been posted while we were absent. It's just a diversion while I am back here in "no man's land."

The actual content of their posts is sometimes "intriguing" to say the least, more of a "mystery" due to their usually lacking correct grammer and spelling, kind of an interesting puzzle to decipher, but fun none-the-less. But, when I receive their texts, and their pledges at undying love, I take them all with a grain of salt, and I realize that they do not carry enough legitimacy to motivate me beyond contemplating them just intellectually, nothing more. I have no motivation to take the totality of their comments to heart, nor do I intend to follow-up with any kind of action to legitimize them as real girlfriends.

But, I must also point out that while the statements you found, WastedG, in their cell phones, might on the surface seem disappointing, you must also realize that those are just text messages sent to their clients for "marketing effect." It does not necessarily mean that they do not consider you "Special," regardless of your stumbling upon that relatively disappointing revelation through covert means.

We all know that salidas are not common in Monterrey, and we all know that the girls sell their bodies to men that are willing to pay the price. The girls work in clubs where they are charged with the responsibility of impressing hundreds of men, but they do not typically go on salida often. They do not get to know their clients on that level generally speaking. We are "unique" to them in that sense, and with that distinction, I am convinced that we are sometimes considered by some of them as "Special."

Again, the reasons "why" don't really matter. Everybody is all wrapped up in "why" they do what they do. Whether there is, or is not, legitimacy in their feelings doesn't really matter because none of us are going to make any moves that legitimizes those feelings. So, our intellectual contemplations about their respective states of mind are merely folly that we have to entertain us intellectually, emotionally, just a fantasy and nothing more.

For that reason, I think you have to cut them some slack with respect to their marketing prowess. Frankly, WastedG, I think you do hold a particularly "Special" place in their hearts. The girls are just doing their jobs to cultivate clients when they send broadcast messages, but it does not necessarily mean that they do not have legitimate feelings for you, regardless of what is texted for marketing effect to their clients.

With respect to my former posts, and specifically with respect to "Angel Girl," because she delivers the GFE according to my criteria, which is a relatively demanding set of criteria for any Mexican bar girl to fulfill, she enjoys a level of my patronage that exceeds what most others would receive from me, even to the point of relative exclusivity.

It is not a matter of exclusivity due to romantic commitment, but more a matter of relative exclusivity due to performance, cost, and my own expectation for a superior experience compared to other Mexican bar girls in Monterrey. If she were to fail in her job, I would not care about patronizing her exclusively.

Again...nobody is talking about making life changing commitments. I am talking about making patronage commitments, commitments that result in my being the most satisfied with my time in MTY. If I contemplate the potential that she may or may not be sincere in her feelings, or whether she might be hurt as a result of romantic disappointments that may or may not develop between us, then I am concerning myself intellectually only with such things, but nothing more. And, if I am contemplating such things about her when in reality her's is a total "act," then she must be doing her job really, really well.

The way I look at it, if she does have legitimate feelings for me, her feelings are more the result of the way she is treated by me, and a result of her wanting out of a life that is, by comparison to our's, a living hell. So, I do care for my best girlfriends because they are precious human beings, and friends, questionable ones, sometimes disingenuous ones, but likeable ones none-the-less.

I am also totally aware that she, Angel Girl, is not from my world, and could never be from my world, not in a million years. So, there is nothing to be done on my end. That is why in my former post I said that she was responsible for exposing her own vulnerabilities to "me."

Many of us see ourselves as being vulnerable to these girls, emotionally, financially, etc...but, the reality is that they are exposing their vulnerabilities to us by selling themselves to we that have only one thing in mind, to use them for our purposes, some for GFE, and some for mechanical release.

It is "they" that are vulnerable to "us" because none of us are going to actually contemplate any "life changing" kinds of behaviors with respect to legitimizing them as real girlfriends, something that some of them may actually hope for because we are distinctly different than the majority of their other clients, and many of us actually have the capacity to change their lives significantly for the better. In my opinion, if there is legitimacy to their feelings for us, it originates with that prospect and builds into something sincere from there.

I was just contemplating a return to MTY again...looking over the flight arrangements, considering the costs, the amount of time spent both in travel, and in waiting around in MTY for the GFE opportunity, which is somtimes rather ellusive. Compared to other venues like Asia and Colombia, even comparing MTY to Costa Rica, Monterrey offers significant less opportunity for GFE encounters, especially for the money spent.

Frankly, I am hard pressed lately to get too terribly excited at the prospect of returning to MTY, and that's even when I know that upon my return, I will have a "good" GFE girl there, at least some of the time, one that delivers the goods the way I like them delivered. She is not nearly available to me to the extent that I would prefer, and that is what causes me great pause. I do not like to be bored.

My Angel Girl is NOT available to me enough, even though she provides me with her excellent brand of superior GFE. It just isn't quite enough to make the tedium, the money spent, the boredom in the off hours, etc...seem like it's worth the effort to arrive there. For that reason, I may even decide to fly directly into MTY this time for about $100 more than it costs me to fly into Laredo and take the bus down. Of course, when I start to contemplate the money that will be spent in the end by going to MTY, I start to consider other options entirely.

I am planning to return between the 16th and the 23rd of June, but I have been hesitant, looking at all the other options, that coming from a guy who has a relative sure thing in his Angel Girl. But, only in the sense that she is a reliable option, if not one that is not as easily available as I might find othewise in other venues.

Were I foolishly considering my Angel Girl as an actual "Novia," I would be always considering the idea that by returning I would be striving to legitimize her in some way. But, in reality, I am contemplating a trip to other venues because a return to MTY, even with the potential for a good GFE from an exceptional girl, does not typically stack-up to what I might expect to experience elsewhere.

If I return to MTY it will be because it is an easier venue, cheaper to get to, easier from me to justify as a business destination, also offering me that added potential for entertainment by my being able to fraternize with my amigos, and also because I have no other decent options here in the US.

I notice that Costa Rica has a very similiar airfare cost right now. I would have to fly into Miami first, then on to San Jose. I could literally be there in the same amount of time. I could get to San Jose for maybe about $50 more, round trip. And, I could then continue on to Cartegena, Medellin, Cali....where I can get todo la noche, GFE style, for about $30-$60 a night, all night every night. And, if I want it, I can get short time (ST) for even less, having multiple encounters each day with totally HOT mechanical release.

So, I am really vacillating over whether I should return to Costa Rica/ Colombia, or to MTY. Costa Rica will almost guarantee me an easily arranged, todo la noche, GFE, with a HOT stripper for a lot less money compared to MTY, and it will yield todo la noche in contrast to 1.5-6 hours in MTY. And, in Colombia, the sky is the limit, all for about $30-$60 a night.

But, honestly, I do not particularly feel even like going to Costa Rica/Colombia to monger alone. I miss the comradre, the fraternizing with my amigos, and the relative diversity of selection that MTY offers in comparison to San Jose.

The GFE is the thing that breaks the tie, whether to monger in MTY or travel to other venues. I frankly think I am getting lazier...It's easier to come to MTY, find my Angel Girl, have a couple of GFEs, fraternize with my friends a little, easier than the logistical effort that would be required of me to venture off to less familiar venues. But, I am still reluctant to chance the down time in MTY waiting for my Angel Girl to find the time to come around, so at times I just think I might be better off staying home, saving my money, and flying off to Asia.

I miss my amigos, Carlos and Porker, and my other amigos that might find the opportunity to return while I am there, WastedG, Mr. L, RTW, etc...So, I will probably return to fraternize, and to hopefully experience some GFE in the process, maybe work a few new girls for kicks, cultivate more options in MTY, hand out a few cookies, a couple of jelly beans here or there, etc...I Hope you can make it WastedG.

I did not read the entire posts but just scanned through them real quick.

Let me tell you what I found out and it shold speak for itself:

I had my sI did not read the entire posts but just scanned through them real quick.

Let me tell you what I found out and it should speak for itself:

I had my share of GFE where I was truly in love. One day, she left her cell phone behind and I scanned through it. Every word of love that was sent to me had been sent to ten other guys. Every call she made to me, with her thinking I do not understand Spanish, had been made while in bed with me to other guys. She played them the same exact way she played me. Did not need any other clarifications. I was one of many while I thought I was the one and only.

GFE is true, but it is offered to countless others and every one of us felt we were the only one. It's their job and they do it well.

Heck, I am given the same from a girl that 'assumingly' belongs to one of my friends. Same words he heard where said to me after she was done with him. Did I make that clear? My friend would tell me what he had and she world turn around and give it again to me telling me I am the one and only.

GFE for a price. Professionally offered to make you feel special.

Fall for it and you're a fool.

I have done other guys' girls. What do you want to call that? Cheating? No. It their job. And it obviously works..... but not on me. Not any more.

Again, she gives you GFE because she is has been given to others. She’s good at it and it shows. … You’re not the only and only. She is working and doing a hell of a job.

Was I clear?

Wasted

hare of GFE where I was truely in love. In summary, she left her cell phone behind and I scanned through it. Every word of love that was sent to me had been sent to ten other guys. Every call she made to me, with her thinking I do not understand Spanish, had been made while she was in bed with me to other guys. She played them the same exact way she played me. Did not need any other calrifications. I was one of many while I thought I was the one and only.

GFE is true, but it is offered to counltess others and everyone of us felt we were the only one. It's thri job and they do it well.

Heck, I am given the same from a girl that 'assumingly' belongs to one of my friends. Same words he told me about where said to me after she was done with him. Did I make that clear? My friend would tell me what he had and she wold turn around and give it again ot me telling me I am the one and only.

GFE for a price. Profissionally offered to amke you feel special.

Fall for it and you're a fool.

I have done other guys' girls. What do you want to call that? Cheating? No. Its their job. And it obvuiously works..... but not on me. Not any more.

Was I clear?

Wasted

Porker

05-21-07, 02:00

Carlos (and Mill), you are obviously right about Mexican girls not being as financially desperate as their SE Asian sisters, but there is also a HUGE difference in the attitudes of Mexican mongers as well, who pay out the ASS for overpriced drinks for girls to sit around and laugh at their jokes. The girls are unbelievably spoiled by guys gushing money who don't even expect much sex, if any. Asian girls get paid a LOT less and actually have to EARN their money. Yet their attitudes are 1000% better.

Porker

05-21-07, 02:03

USB, I've said this to you many times before, so forgive the whipping marks on the DEAD HORSE, but, DUDE, YOU'RE THINKING TOO MUCH! You bring your money, you hand it over, you HAVE FUN, and then you go back to reality world. If you're having fun with your current 'modus operandi', that's great, but if not, there are SO MANY girls that would love to hop on your gringo gravy train!

MonterreyDude

05-21-07, 03:28

Porker
Am very sorry to tell you, but SEA is changing and very fast due to the influx of tourism.
It was slowed down a little due to the unfurtunate masiv tsunami that afected the area.
But once again the tourists are flowing back and that is a mjor force of change that will affect countries like Thailand.
As a matter of fact I was reading an article posted at another fourm. the members were scoffing at it, say that they had already tried to curve protitution so it wouldn't be aparent to the tourists and that it would fail.
I don't think so.
Tourism at SEA, at Thailand is going up and up and up.
It doesn't matter if the goverment can't or will not curve the business over there, the GIRLS will have options different than those offered right now.
And any way, the business will be spoiled by the influx whether you like it or not.

Carlos (and Mill), you are obviously right about Mexican girls not being as financially desperate as their SE Asian sisters, but there is also a HUGE difference in the attitudes of Mexican mongers as well, who pay out the ASS for overpriced drinks for girls to sit around and laugh at their jokes. The girls are unbelievably spoiled by guys gushing money who don't even expect much sex, if any. Asian girls get paid a LOT less and actually have to EARN their money. Yet their attitudes are 1000% better.

MonterreyDude

05-21-07, 03:58

Porker, Mill, Wasted... all of us are telling you the same thing, USB.
Be it Monterrey or be it Costa Rica or Colombia... you are getting the same "GFE", the one you are looking for, for one and one reason only: money.

What will happen if the you tell a girl "I don't have any money"... the girl will give you a kick in the ass and adios "GFE"

And this:
"Most of the girls in Monterrey are not up to my standard of GFE"

You are phrasing the statement wrong: "We are not up to the BFE standard of the girls of Monterrey"

If you start looking for girls understanding this, which you totally refuse, everything would be different.
You've seen me set the ground rules with the girls, impossing the ground rules as a matter of fact.
If I weren't married, I'd had 3 girls eating from my hands right now, and not ugly fat girls... you know the ones I mean at the Infinito, Prestige and Harem.

I make them forget their standards and make them start acting by my own...

USB, I've said this to you many times before, so forgive the whipping marks on the DEAD HORSE, but, DUDE, YOU'RE THINKING TOO MUCH! You bring your money, you hand it over, you HAVE FUN, and then you go back to reality world. If you're having fun with your current 'modus operandi', that's great, but if not, there are SO MANY girls that would love to hop on your gringo gravy train!

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05-21-07, 13:00

You are stuck on the "why" I am or am not getting "GFE." It's not the "why" that concerns me. I am paying each and every time, even now, even to my Angel Girl, all be it in much smaller amounts than what's usually required even to obtain a standard MTY bar girl salida experience, and thankfully she actually provides what I am looking for.

But, in cases where I pay the going rate, I don't find myself receiving GFE to my standard, which is a standard that Angel Girl attains regularly with me. If I could find other girls that produce that same quality of experience, even for the going rate, I would gladly expand my flock. It isn't like I haven't been looking or that I am discounting your collective advise to play my game a little differently. I will optomistcally endeavor as recommended by Mill, Carlos, Porker, but...

REMEMBER, I have probably bar fined at least 200 girls from the clubs of Monterrey already. I am not making these judgements without also having considerable experience with probably the largest sampling of girls in MTY compared to anyone here on this board, at least with respect to "salidas," and notwithstanding possibly the experience of WastedG, although he has been at it for a shorter period of time than I in Monterrey. Obviously, Carlos and Porker have the most general experience with the girls of MTY, but not with respect to Salidas...right? Even Porker, who has a considerable "worldwide" experience, has not completed the numbers of sorties I have with respect to actual salidas in Monterrey. So, I don't make these accusations of the girls without knowing a thing or two about it through direct experience.

I do think that Mill's former observation with respect to living in the venue are directly relevant to my situation. You guys all have the ability to make GFE work for you. I have to make it all happen within one week, re-visiting Monterrey once a month, at great personal expense due to travel costs. I have to accomplish what you guys can slowly accomplish over time, and with no travel expense to constrain your efforts. You have infinite patience with respect to making things happen because you don't have the expense looming over your heads with respect to overall costs.

If I were living in Monterrey, I suspect my conclusions about the girls would be different because I would have the time to worm my way in with them. As it is now, even with Angel Girl, my routine absence is a disadvantage. If I were local, I may find myself adopting the same opinions about the girls that Mill has articulated here, probably so. But, that is the one circumstance where I do have an advantage over all of you, if that is an advantage, in that I can escape back across the border, leaving all that baggage behind me in Monterrey.

Porker reminds me that there are plenty of girls that are willing to climb on the "gravy train." But, my point is that the level of GFE that's attainable from most MTY girls, even if you puke pesos on them, is not worth the investment. Porker may not have considerable experience with salidas, and he may limit much of his activity to the massage parlors and the privados, but he still knows this because he has been to other venues, and he knows just how expensive it is in Monterrey by comparison. He also knows that he can blow into the PI, and find a good girl, probably within an hour, and that if he wants it, she will stick to him like glue, providing all the GFE he can stand until he finally is so tired of her he will have to kick her in the ass to move on to something new. That is the GFE I seek. I get just as tired of them as the next guy, wanting something different here and there, but I want to be the one making the decision as to when to kick them loose. As it stands now, most of the girls never really attain any level of GFE in Monterrey, so kicking them loose is putting the cart before the horse.

But, more importantly, it is not only more expensive in MTY, the girls do not provide, as a whole, even for their going rate, anything even remotely comparable in quality of experience to what is avaiable in other venues for their respective going rates. If their "need" is the motivator (the "why" being money), then I will postulate further by stating that even if I were to pay most MTY girls twice the going rate, I doubt seriously that the level of GFE would be any better. It is not entirely a matter of the money spent. It is a matter of attitude, culture, conditioning, and money. That is "why" I am unsatisfied with their performance. I am not concerned with why they provide GFE, I am concerned that they do not provide it, some to a worser or better extent than others depending on the girl of course.

Most of them simply do not really possess the desire to deliver what I am looking for, regardless of the amount of money spent. Conversely, within other venues, I've found my brand of GFE encounter, regardless of the "why," to be more easily available, and for much less of the "why," the money. It's true that the cost of travel is typically more than what it generally costs to travel to MTY, but discounting the travel expense, and soley judging based on the experience the girls provide, there are much better venues for my brand of GFE than MTY.

Unfortunately, I like hangin out with you guys too damned much and I will probably be returning soon to puke pesos once again on a flock of undeserving, typically unappreciative assemblage of hookers that "CHOOSE" not supply GFE due to attitude, not even if their lives are frickin' depending on it. :-)

To reiterate Porker's former comment, I concur completely:

"Carlos (and Mill), you are obviously right about Mexican girls not being as financially desperate as their SE Asian sisters, but there is also a HUGE difference in the attitudes of Mexican mongers as well, who pay out the ASS for overpriced drinks for girls to sit around and laugh at their jokes. The girls are unbelievably spoiled by guys gushing money who don't even expect much sex, if any. Asian girls get paid a LOT less and actually have to EARN their money. Yet their attitudes are 1000% better."

It is all about attitude, cultural conditioning, even when the "why," the money, is comparatively equal in comparative venues. It is not the "why." It is attitude and sociological conditioning (ie: "guys paying out the ass for..." nothing).

Porker, Mill, Wasted... all of us are telling you the same thing, USB.
Be it Monterrey or be it Costa Rica or Colombia... you are getting the same "GFE", the one you are looking for, for one and one reason only: money.

What will happen if the you tell a girl "I don't have any money"... the girl will give you a kick in the ass and adios "GFE"

And this:
"Most of the girls in Monterrey are not up to my standard of GFE"

You are phrasing the statement wrong: "We are not up to the BFE standard of the girls of Monterrey"

If you start looking for girls understanding this, which you totally refuse, everything would be different.
You've seen me set the ground rules with the girls, impossing the ground rules as a matter of fact.
If I weren't married, I'd had 3 girls eating from my hands right now, and not ugly fat girls... you know the ones I mean at the Infinito, Prestige and Harem.

I make them forget their standards and make them start acting by my own...