Monterrey

[Porker]

USB is definitely more experienced than I am regarding paying salidas. I have paid a salida to the bar exactly ONCE (at Parthenon. For those that KNOW how cheap I am, you can only just IMAGINE how hot I thought that girl was and how much I wanted her!), and while it was a thoroughly enjoyable experience, it was waaaay too expensive for ME, costing 500 to the bar and 900 to the girl for about 2 hours, plus as I never usually need a hotel room, 200 for a room. I HAVE, however, in my early years in MTY, done many 'sneakout' hotel sessions with massage and strip club chicas, which are much more economical. I got a pretty decent GFE every time, but AGAIN, even at 500-800 for the girl and 200 for the room, I just can't afford that expense since I spend 10K USD a year on Asia trips and I'm a poor guy. But that's just me. If others see value in paying that kind of money, good for them.

[Porker]

Carlos, I stand by my assessment about the difference in attitudes between SE Asia and Mexico, as I'm sure anyone who has been to both locations would, though I certainly don't doubt that financial desperation is indeed the reason why Asian girls are soooo much better at providing paid sex. But the real bottom line is still that the vast majority of Mexican providers are short-sighted and lazy and don't give a rat's ass whether their customers are satisfied or not. That's because they know some other loser with too much money burning a hole in his pocket (within a few days of pay day, anyway!) is right around the corner and more than happy to waaaaay overpay for the same shitty, totally impersonal service that she just gave the last guy. If Asian girls gave such crappy service they'd be drummed out of the profession before they lasted a week.

Oh, and btw, I get laid more from bar girls in two weeks in Asia than you get laid from bar girls in 6 months. Please consider that the next time you do your financial comparison.

[Porker]

USB, you mention that you're having trouble finding GFE in Mexico. Without backing down from my opinion that YOU'RE THINKING TOO MUCH, I'm asking you to think about it (haha!) and try to figure out WHY that's the case? You seem to be of the opinion lately that Monterrey has declined as a p4p venue for you. Why is that? Is it because you have too much experience in other (generally superior) mongering destinations? Is it because the level of service in MTY has declined across the board? Have you been spoiled by stellar performances by past chicas that other girls just can't match? Have your methods for picking barfines changed/deteriorated so that your selections are more random than they used to be?

In that regard, have you been negatively influenced by your cheap charlie friend PORKER into being a LAZY, CHEAP monger? Haha, I hope I haven't ruined your playground by telling you that the emperor there may not be NAKED, but he's at best wearing a THONG AND PASTIES!

[MonterreyDude]

My friend, am going to be totally honest with you.
You are absolutly wrong.
This is not true: "short-sighted and lazy and don't give a rat's ass whether their customers are satisfied or not"
The girls know their business and their customers.
If they see a gringo, and if they see that 2-3 girls give it a try with him and he doesn't pay attention to them, well, they move on to better venues.
Porker, for sometime long ago, you were absolutely famous in Monterrey for being a bad customer. The girls at the Obsession would ask me "what the hell is he looking for", the girls at the Matehuala would ask me for my "poquitero" friend....

And this: "Oh, and btw, I get laid more from bar girls in two weeks in Asia than you get laid from bar girls in 6 months. Please consider that the next time you do your financial comparison"

Boy are you wrong here.... you really lost track of me.
And I got witnesses in Wasted and USB...

And my post... I said I was glad you were having fun in SEA, cause what you were looking for, was over there and not here in all senses and, financial ways.
I guess I was telling you, you were right....



Regio, I stand by my assessment about the difference in attitudes between SE Asia and Mexico, as I'm sure anyone who has been to both locations would, though I certainly don't doubt that financial desperation is indeed the reason why Asian girls are soooo much better at providing paid sex. But the real bottom line is still that the vast majority of Mexican providers are short-sighted and lazy and don't give a rat's ass whether their customers are satisfied or not. That's because they know some other loser with too much money burning a hole in his pocket (within a few days of pay day, anyway!) is right around the corner and more than happy to waaaaay overpay for the same shitty, totally impersonal service that she just gave the last guy. If Asian girls gave such crappy service they'd be drummed out of the profession before they lasted a week.

Oh, and btw, I get laid more from bar girls in two weeks in Asia than you get laid from bar girls in 6 months. Please consider that the next time you do your financial comparison.

[El Cabron 007]

Not that I'm complaining.... no no y no

I'm planning a June 14th trip. If any of you dares, come on down. Although I do not know how much I can handle anymore. I have aged 3.5 months since my last visit. Besides, this needs to be a relaxing get-away trip for me. I need a break from it all. Been working way too hard. Of course, all subject to change with or without notice.

I want to be cheap and lazy for a change. I think it has a more calming effect. Well .... again, all subject to change.

Mr. "L" is in too. We'll just have to coordinate.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

WastedG,

Ok, the 14th...how many days? Through which days? I will try to coordinate my trip with yours, but I must leave on a Saturday, the 16th, but I plan to be there a week.

As for the rest of you...I believe I am winning the argument. Actually, I love to debate, argue, stir the shit as it were...or can't you tell.

Don't misunderstand my former comments...I still love MTY, but when I return to post my rebuttals, we can persist with this debate some more. I also "VOW" to follow the direction of my handlers to attempt to play my game more successfully, but if it involves pissing off my one sure thing in MTY, you can forget it. I have already been down that road with Angry Girl. So, El Infinito, at least with respect to my modifying my strategy, is off limits. Any other club, fine, no problem. You are going to have to prove it to me.

I have to go watch the two hour season finale of "24," but I will return this eve to debate all of you degenerates later tonight...

Plus,

...and my good friend Carlos is going to KILL ME...but Porker is not boasting about the amount of action he gets in ASIA in comparison. To that I am a witness...and, I can also personally attest to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log. That is the primary difference between Asia and MTY. The effort required of the monger, especially in comparison to the relative cost, can not be justified, period...no contest.

GFE is available in Monterrey, GFE of equal quality. But, you as a monger have to not only work hard to find it, but you have to work damn hard to pay for it.


Not that I'm complaining.... no no y no

I'm planning a June 14th trip. If any of you dares, come on down. Although I do not know how much I can handle anymore. I have aged 3.5 months since my last visit. Besides, this needs to be a relaxing get-away trip for me. I need a break from it all. Been working way too hard. Of course, all subject to change with or without notice.

I want to be cheap and lazy for a change. I think it has a more calming effect. Well .... again, all subject to change.

Mr. "L" is in too. We'll just have to coordinate.

Wasted

[Porker]

I was NEVER a customer at the lunchtime buffet places other than going for the FOOD (and company of amigos, which, as USB mentions, is a very alluring draw). I have bought a grand total of TWO drinks there in 5+ years (at Prestige about a year ago. I was DRUNK! SUE ME!!!), and if the drink sluts that work there wrote me off a long time ago, well, GOOD! Let them play their act for some other dude that thinks paying 15 bucks for drinks to get 15 minutes of sparkling CONVERSATION with a (almost universally 25+ Y.O. already had at least 1 kid) hooker is a good value so he pay them for pretty much doing NOTHING. I mean seriously, what the hell is in it for ME to spend money on a girl there? If I spend 15 bucks on a drink I may get to grope her a little bit. Sorry, but I passed the cheap thrills stage of mongering after pissing away a couple hundred bucks in US strip clubs well over a decade ago. Buy a 15 USD 5-10 minute lapdance out in the open? Sorry, can do that at the Matehuala with a better looking girl. Pay 40 bucks for a true 5-10 minute 'privado'? See the Matehuala comment. Pay 100-200 USD for 15-45 minutes of sex onsite? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY? Pay 50-500 USD in drinks to get the girl to meet me outside the club so I can pay her 100-200 USD to fuck her for a couple hours? Does ANYBODY think this math is a good value at any point in the chain? My numbers are undisputable.

As for the Matehuala and "I place", I got tired of seeing the same girls in the same place over the years and got a lot more picky about spending my money on them. It almost had to be a 'perfect storm' of being both drunk and horny before I could justify spending 40 USD for 15 minutes of a covered BJ and sex in a dark closet with a folding chair as the only furnishing. You will never believe me how much of a letdown such an experience is after getting all-night fuckfests in a room with a king-sized bed with a shower with a girl 5 years younger and twice as attractive can be. Oh, and not to mention that BBBJ for as long as you can STAND IT is the norm. While I realize that for some people, that fucking a dark booth in MTY is as good as things get in life, I try not to rub their noses in it.

And re: the amount of times you get laid in any given month, if it's more than twice a week, you must do a lot of stuff at very odd hours of the day or night that I have never seen. You're certainly not banging your 'girlfriends' at Obsession and Prestige (that you puke 100 USD WEEKLY in drinks on) on a regular basis. Again, my friend, that's called money for NOTHING!

Carlos, I really think you're trying to convince YOURSELF more than you really believe any of this stuff, and I'm sorry for kicking your legs out from under you. I really do feel sad you can't manage to head to SE Asia and see how the other half lives.

I will say it one more time, Monterrey is a helluva destination if you like fucking in dark closets and/or want to spend 300-500 USD a day. Anything else, well, I'll just say I prefer saving my meager cash for SE Asia.

[Porker]

Oh, and please SPARE ME the drivel about "Mexican chicas have high standards because they make a good income" drivel. They make a good income because their dumbass clients pay them ridiculous amounts of money for DOING FUCKING NOTHING!

Carlos, do you remember the (rather forgettable) movie "War Games"? At the end, the computer spits out the OH so apropos line: "The only winning move is NOT TO PLAY!"

[MonterreyDude]

"to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log."

You only went once... and you are still buying "GFE" it and you are not accepting that.
Very Important: You are still falling for the girls terms, not yours.

Pay attention to this and write it down:
Now I realize that is your problem.
You meet a girl, anywhere, SEA, Mexico, SA.
You have fun with her.
You leave, you come back and suddenly things don't feel right, like something is not checking out from the first time.
You know what it is? You are coming back, thinking that you have established your own rules, without realizing that you haven't done this and you are colliding against the girl's rules... that is why something doesn't quite check.
I saw you last time at the Prestige, you were bewildered at what was going on cause you thought everything was under your control.
No... Angel girl is steering the ship, not you.
And really write this down... you are gonna come back feeling everythings ok, and you are going to get that feeling again but this time that something is even worse now.
I should have seen this a long time ago....
That's your problem.



Nope, you don't get it... now that you are coming back, I need to hit you hard on the head.


WastedG,

Ok, the 14th...how many days? Through which days? I will try to coordinate my trip with yours, but I must leave on a Saturday, the 16th, but I plan to be there a week.

As for the rest of you...I believe I am winning the argument. Actually, I love to debate, argue, stir the shit as it were...or can't you tell.

Don't misunderstand my former comments...I still love MTY, but when I return to post my rebuttals, we can persist with this debate some more. I also "VOW" to follow the direction of my handlers to attempt to play my game more successfully, but if it involves pissing off my one sure thing in MTY, you can forget it. I have already been down that road with Angry Girl. So, El Infinito, at least with respect to my modifying my strategy, is off limits. Any other club, fine, no problem. You are going to have to prove it to me.

I have to go watch the two hour season finale of "24," but I will return this eve to debate all of you degenerates later tonight...

Plus,

...and my good friend Carlos is going to KILL ME...but Porker is not boasting about the amount of action he gets in ASIA in comparison. To that I am a witness...and, I can also personally attest to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log. That is the primary difference between Asia and MTY. The effort required of the monger, especially in comparison to the relative cost, can not be justified, period...no contest.

GFE is available in Monterrey, GFE of equal quality. But, you as a monger have to not only work hard to find it, but you have to work damn hard to pay for it.

[MonterreyDude]

Come on Porker: "And re: the amount of times you get laid in any given month, if it's more than twice a week, you must do a lot of stuff at very odd hours of the day or night that I have never seen. You're certainly not banging your 'girlfriends' at Obsession and Prestige (that you puke 100 USD WEEKLY in drinks on) on a regular basis. Again, my friend, that's called money for NOTHING!"

Am married, please at least give me a break.
Ok... let's see.
Boasting time...
Girlfriend one in each: Infinito, Casino, Harem, Obsession and Prestige.
Alternates: 3 at the Infinito, 1 at Givenchy, 2 at the Casino, 2 at Harem, 2 at Bahamas, 1 Prestige.
And those are my regulars... got my army of ugly girls and spares.
And I don't pay 100 dlls.
Odd hours: how about noon, 12:00 PM for my Obsession darling. How about after the Infinito afternoon shift at 11:00 PM, how about getting my Harem and Casino girlfriends before the night shift and how about seeing my Harem girl at 5 pm every each other day.

You really lost track of me... you met me when I was new to the strip clubs and you stopped coming when I fully established my Sacred Flock.

No my friend, you really don't know me anymore cause I simply haven't had a single bad moment with any of my girls of my choosing.








I was NEVER a customer at the lunchtime buffet places other than going for the FOOD (and company of amigos, which, as USB mentions, is a very alluring draw). I have bought a grand total of TWO drinks there in 5+ years (at Prestige about a year ago. I was DRUNK! SUE ME!!!), and if the drink sluts that work there wrote me off a long time ago, well, GOOD! Let them play their act for some other dude that thinks paying 15 bucks for drinks to get 15 minutes of sparkling CONVERSATION with a (almost universally 25+ Y.O. already had at least 1 kid) hooker is a good value so he pay them for pretty much doing NOTHING. I mean seriously, what the hell is in it for ME to spend money on a girl there? If I spend 15 bucks on a drink I may get to grope her a little bit. Sorry, but I passed the cheap thrills stage of mongering after pissing away a couple hundred bucks in US strip clubs well over a decade ago. Buy a 15 USD 5-10 minute lapdance out in the open? Sorry, can do that at the Matehuala with a better looking girl. Pay 40 bucks for a true 5-10 minute 'privado'? See the Matehuala comment. Pay 100-200 USD for 15-45 minutes of sex onsite? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY? Pay 50-500 USD in drinks to get the girl to meet me outside the club so I can pay her 100-200 USD to fuck her for a couple hours? Does ANYBODY think this math is a good value at any point in the chain? My numbers are undisputable.

As for the Matehuala and "I place", I got tired of seeing the same girls in the same place over the years and got a lot more picky about spending my money on them. It almost had to be a 'perfect storm' of being both drunk and horny before I could justify spending 40 USD for 15 minutes of a covered BJ and sex in a dark closet with a folding chair as the only furnishing. You will never believe me how much of a letdown such an experience is after getting all-night fuckfests in a room with a king-sized bed with a shower with a girl 5 years younger and twice as attractive can be. Oh, and not to mention that BBBJ for as long as you can STAND IT is the norm. While I realize that for some people, that fucking a dark booth in MTY is as good as things get in life, I try not to rub their noses in it.

And re: the amount of times you get laid in any given month, if it's more than twice a week, you must do a lot of stuff at very odd hours of the day or night that I have never seen. You're certainly not banging your 'girlfriends' at Obsession and Prestige (that you puke 100 USD WEEKLY in drinks on) on a regular basis. Again, my friend, that's called money for NOTHING!

Carlos, I really think you're trying to convince YOURSELF more than you really believe any of this stuff, and I'm sorry for kicking your legs out from under you. I really do feel sad you can't manage to head to SE Asia and see how the other half lives.

I will say it one more time, Monterrey is a helluva destination if you like fucking in dark closets and/or want to spend 300-500 USD a day. Anything else, well, I'll just say I prefer saving my meager cash for SE Asia.

[Member #3453]

I have to agree. Porker asked me in my former post why I was developing this recent attitude about MTY, which I still dearly love, primarily for the comradre of my amigos, and for a very select few number of girls. I will try to explain what I think is happening to me.

First, I found a girl that delivers SE Asia quality GFE sessions in Angel Girl, and she has literally spoiled me rotten. She has put them all to such utter shame, that I am not even content with the prospect of a potential substitute, primarily because I know, through extensive past experience, that a potential substitute for equivalent GFE does not exist without my having to puke huge amounts of pesos to somehow finagle them into providing what I could otherwise find in five minutes on the ground in the PI, Pattaya, Bangkok, Colombia, Costa Rica, Batam, Jakarta, etc...

Never mind Angel Girl's motivations. The why that's been articulated here certainly doesn't make any sense if you look at the amount of money I pay her. Only the reality that I am getting what I like for very little money matters. And, frankly, for the amount of money I am paying, the "why" escapes me entirely where she is concerned. Frankly, it took my experience with Angel Girl over the last 8 months to really illustrate to me that I had been getting shit service otherwise. There were a few exceptions, Angry Girl, my girl at El Cielo who has since moved on and is no longer available to me, maybe my "V" girl at Harem. But, overall, the rest of them were not up to any kind of GFE standard compared to the amount of money spent.

Secondly, my attitudes are changing because I am being more conservative in my expenditures. I just started to analyze what I had been spending over the last several years to patronize these girls, and it began to occur to me that I was not very satisfied with ROI. Spending money on girls that do not generally deliver GFE quality, girls that promise the moon if you buy them drinks, but fail to show up on promised salidas, is NO LONGER AN OPTION I am willing to accept from them. And, to paraphrase Porker:

"paying 15 bucks for drinks to get 15 minutes of sparkling CONVERSATION with a (almost universally 25+ Y.O. already had at least 1 kid) hooker for pretty much doing NOTHING," does not impress me either.

Plus, to further rub sand in the wound with respect to some of the girls specifically at Prestige, I am routinely, unappreciatively mocked behind my back by those same gems for showing them simple acts of kindness when I do visit their club, apparently because I do not puke pesos on them for doing nothing, or is it that they are so arrogant that they think they are our only option in the World. They had better think again. The only attraction for me at this juncture with respect to El Prestige is the lunch buffet, and fraternizing with my amigos, the waiters, the managers, period. The girls are totally and completely meaningless in the equation. That is just how inconsequential they really are in the totality of my circumstances.





I was NEVER a customer at the lunchtime buffet places other than going for the FOOD (and company of amigos, which, as USB mentions, is a very alluring draw). I have bought a grand total of TWO drinks there in 5+ years (at Prestige about a year ago. I was DRUNK! SUE ME!!!), and if the drink sluts that work there wrote me off a long time ago, well, GOOD! Let them play their act for some other dude that thinks paying 15 bucks for drinks to get 15 minutes of sparkling CONVERSATION with a (almost universally 25+ Y.O. already had at least 1 kid) hooker is a good value so he pay them for pretty much doing NOTHING. I mean seriously, what the hell is in it for ME to spend money on a girl there? If I spend 15 bucks on a drink I may get to grope her a little bit. Sorry, but I passed the cheap thrills stage of mongering after pissing away a couple hundred bucks in US strip clubs well over a decade ago. Buy a 15 USD 5-10 minute lapdance out in the open? Sorry, can do that at the Matehuala with a better looking girl. Pay 40 bucks for a true 5-10 minute 'privado'? See the Matehuala comment. Pay 100-200 USD for 15-45 minutes of sex onsite? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY? Pay 50-500 USD in drinks to get the girl to meet me outside the club so I can pay her 100-200 USD to fuck her for a couple hours? Does ANYBODY think this math is a good value at any point in the chain? My numbers are undisputable.

As for the Matehuala and "I place", I got tired of seeing the same girls in the same place over the years and got a lot more picky about spending my money on them. It almost had to be a 'perfect storm' of being both drunk and horny before I could justify spending 40 USD for 15 minutes of a covered BJ and sex in a dark closet with a folding chair as the only furnishing. You will never believe me how much of a letdown such an experience is after getting all-night fuckfests in a room with a king-sized bed with a shower with a girl 5 years younger and twice as attractive can be. Oh, and not to mention that BBBJ for as long as you can STAND IT is the norm. While I realize that for some people, that fucking a dark booth in MTY is as good as things get in life, I try not to rub their noses in it.

And re: the amount of times you get laid in any given month, if it's more than twice a week, you must do a lot of stuff at very odd hours of the day or night that I have never seen. You're certainly not banging your 'girlfriends' at Obsession and Prestige (that you puke 100 USD WEEKLY in drinks on) on a regular basis. Again, my friend, that's called money for NOTHING!

Carlos, I really think you're trying to convince YOURSELF more than you really believe any of this stuff, and I'm sorry for kicking your legs out from under you. I really do feel sad you can't manage to head to SE Asia and see how the other half lives.

I will say it one more time, Monterrey is a helluva destination if you like fucking in dark closets and/or want to spend 300-500 USD a day. Anything else, well, I'll just say I prefer saving my meager cash for SE Asia.

[El Cabron 007]

I always knew it and have tried to convince others. USB's true love is ..... drum roll ..... the ISG board itself.

He loves to write. He has a story to tell and it all comes together because he has an audience that will read, comment and is sometimes (almost always) even argumentative. This is what gets USB off. It is the ISG and not really the GFE experience.

If USB runs out of argumentative audience, such as Carlos, Mill and Porker, he will fall out of love with his Angel Girl .... and I will take over :-)

The plan is for the 14th through the 18th. When you leave on the 16th, Carlos and I will cover for you. Don't worry about the girl. When Carlos goes home, I will cover for the both of you. Rest assured the girls are in good hands, amongst other things.

Wasted



As for the rest of you...I believe I am winning the argument. Actually, I love to debate, argue, stir the shit as it were...or can't you tell.

[Member #3453]

You are right, I am buying GFE...The point is, the girls of MTY are not delivering it. I accept that I am buying it, but I also know what GFE is supposed to look like after having visited Asia several times, not just once, as well as Colombia and Costa Rica several times.

Spending weeks on the ground in Asia, and getting night after night of consistently delivered GFE sessions without hardly any effort on my part is sufficient testimonial to understand what is characteristic of those venues.

Or, are you saying that the girls in those venues found "me" particularly alluring in comparison to all the hords of other mongers that play there? I doubt that. I must therefore assume that the experience as a whole dwarfs the GFE potential in MTY in comparison. It is merely a logical conclusion for any that visit some of these other venues. Monterrey is significantly more work, significantly more money, and significantly more disappointment mixed in with the good. GFE can be had in MTY, but it is in no way as easily available as in these other venues.

With respect to Angel Girl, it is bound to end sometime. When that time comes, I will be disappointed, and I will have to seriously weigh the wisdom of returning to MTY to puke huge amounts of money to find an alternate. I hope she keeps up her quality because, if not, her lack of attention will simply prove my point all over again, and the daunting task of finding a potential substitute might possibly drive me to other venues before I will permit myself to waste money looking for GFE in MTY.


"to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log."

You only went once... and you are still buying "GFE" it and you are not accepting that.
Very Important: You are still falling for the girls terms, not yours.

Pay attention to this and write it down:
Now I realize that is your problem.
You meet a girl, anywhere, SEA, Mexico, SA.
You have fun with her.
You leave, you come back and suddenly things don't feel right, like something is not checking out from the first time.
You know what it is? You are coming back, thinking that you have established your own rules, without realizing that you haven't done this and you are colliding against the girl's rules... that is why something doesn't quite check.
I saw you last time at the Prestige, you were bewildered at what was going on cause you thought everything was under your control.
No... Angel girl is steering the ship, not you.
And really write this down... you are gonna come back feeling everythings ok, and you are going to get that feeling again but this time that something is even worse now.
I should have seen this a long time ago....
That's your problem.



Nope, you don't get it... now that you are coming back, I need to hit you hard on the head.

[MonterreyDude]

USB (the one am gonna slap silly when he comes back) says: "...and my good friend Carlos is going to KILL ME...but Porker is not boasting about the amount of action he gets in ASIA in comparison. To that I am a witness...and, I can also personally attest to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log. That is the primary difference between Asia and MTY. The effort required of the monger, especially in comparison to the relative cost, can not be justified, period...no contest."

Nope, I don't fall of the log.
Let me ask you USB, one question?
What are we talking about? "GFE" en masse?
Am very sorry to tell you, but I do not trust when "ALL" the girls give you "GFE" by wholesale.
You kow what that is? The same thing you don't like of Monterrey girls.
It's an act.
Different dresses and faces, but an act.
They want money.
They don't care for the person, they care for the customer.
Nothing else.




WastedG,

Ok, the 14th...how many days? Through which days? I will try to coordinate my trip with yours, but I must leave on a Saturday, the 16th, but I plan to be there a week.

As for the rest of you...I believe I am winning the argument. Actually, I love to debate, argue, stir the shit as it were...or can't you tell.

Don't misunderstand my former comments...I still love MTY, but when I return to post my rebuttals, we can persist with this debate some more. I also "VOW" to follow the direction of my handlers to attempt to play my game more successfully, but if it involves pissing off my one sure thing in MTY, you can forget it. I have already been down that road with Angry Girl. So, El Infinito, at least with respect to my modifying my strategy, is off limits. Any other club, fine, no problem. You are going to have to prove it to me.

I have to go watch the two hour season finale of "24," but I will return this eve to debate all of you degenerates later tonight...

Plus,

...and my good friend Carlos is going to KILL ME...but Porker is not boasting about the amount of action he gets in ASIA in comparison. To that I am a witness...and, I can also personally attest to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log. That is the primary difference between Asia and MTY. The effort required of the monger, especially in comparison to the relative cost, can not be justified, period...no contest.

GFE is available in Monterrey, GFE of equal quality. But, you as a monger have to not only work hard to find it, but you have to work damn hard to pay for it.

[MonterreyDude]

Talk about instant posting....

USB says: "You are right, I am buying GFE...The point is, the girls of MTY are not delivering it."

You don't get it delivered cause you go to Monterrey feeling defeated from the start.

"I accept that I am buying it, but I also know what GFE is supposed to look like after having visited Asia several times, not just once, as well as Colombia and Costa Rica several times."

Are you going to describe the tricks of the trade to me?
I really need a sledge hammer to get some sense in to you next time you are here!!!!






You are right, I am buying GFE...The point is, the girls of MTY are not delivering it. I accept that I am buying it, but I also know what GFE is supposed to look like after having visited Asia several times, not just once, as well as Colombia and Costa Rica several times.

Spending weeks on the ground in Asia, and getting night after night of consistently delivered GFE sessions without hardly any effort on my part is sufficient testimonial to understand what is characteristic of those venues.

Or, are you saying that the girls in those venues found "me" particularly alluring in comparison to all the hords of other mongers that play there? I doubt that. I must therefore assume that the experience as a whole dwarfs the GFE potential in MTY in comparison. It is merely a logical conclusion for any that visit some of these other venues. Monterrey is significantly more work, significantly more money, and significantly more disappointment mixed in with the good. GFE can be had in MTY, but it is in no way as easily available as in these other venues.

With respect to Angel Girl, it is bound to end sometime. When that time comes, I will be disappointed, and I will have to seriously weigh the wisdom of returning to MTY to puke huge amounts of money to find an alternate. I hope she keeps up her quality because, if not, her lack of attention will simply prove my point all over again, and the daunting task of finding a potential substitute might possibly drive me to other venues before I will permit myself to waste money looking for GFE in MTY.

[El Cabron 007]

I wonder what my club girls do when I am not in MTY. I am sure they do not strip, do privados, go on salidas or even have sex with customers. Yes, they set around waiting for me to come back.

SOB, one is getting married to her girlfriend on June 15th. I'm invited but I don't know where the wedding is. Another has gone to a clean life and has gotten a real job but still wants to go out with me, one that is not a stripper is asking me for a loan and will give me whatever I want, another has lost her feelings for me and finally my 1st girl is returning from Playa Del Carmen telling me she still loves me and all that BS. Of course this is after she just divorced her 2nd husband.

Where am I going to find a stripper in MTY? I know. I'll ask Nibu.

My but hurts. Good night kids.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

We really need to get together.
Shall we make it on June then????
That would be USB, Wasted, Mr L, Mill J, RTW, yours truely..... who else???

[Member #3453]

I will bring my sledge hammer, Carlos...

WastedG, you are mistaken...I am planning to come back to MTY to puke pesos on the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor girls of MTY once again between the dates of June 16-23. It is "I" that will take care of the girls of your flock following "your" departure, ;-))). You may arrive before me, but I will have the last word, uhhhh, the last "WAY" with them :-)))).

My strategy?

To permit you to romance them first, and then to swoop in low after you have left to show them what they've been missing :-))))).

But, seriously, yes, I know they've been sitting around waiting for their true love to return. They ask me so often where the WastedGMAN is when I am there, and when he will be returning. Yes, I suspect they will clear their calendars for a shot at you.

Frankly guys, I think it will be something like the "RAT PACK" returning to Vegas. I truly believe that by the time we all return to terrorize the clubs, the girls, in general, will have missed our pesos. Some of us have not been back to MTY for quite some time. Speaking for myself, it will have been two months, and Wasted has been gone even a longer period of time. I expect even the crappy girls of MTY to sit up and take notice upon our return. Perhaps my expectations of the girls of MTY are dilusional, but hope and fantasy spring eternal.


We really need to get together.
Shall we make it on June then????
That would be USB, Wasted, Mr L, Mill J, RTW, yours truely..... who else???

[Member #3453]

You don't get it delivered cause you go to Monterrey feeling defeated from the start.

I will attempt to revisit MTY with a fresh perspective. I will earnestly consider what all of you have told me, Carlos, MJ, Porker, WastedG...I promise that I will attempt to make a clean sweep of all of my accused bad behaviors.

But, that having been said, I will promise to do so with the exception of one girl...If she is available, she gets my money, the combined total of which would not pay for one conventional bar fine, my time, and my loyalty.

[El Cabron 007]

Now hold on just a minute there cowboy. I did not tell you notin' - Don't get me involved in this. I am keeping out of it because, my good friend, I actually understand you ..... sshhhh ... don't tell anyone.

Have fun - enjoy yourself and be safe.

Wasted





I will attempt to revisit MTY with a fresh perspective. I will earnestly consider what all of you have told me, Carlos, MJ, Porker, WastedG...I promise that I will attempt to make a clean sweep of all of my accused bad behaviors.

But, that having been said, I will promise to do so with the exception of one girl...If she is available, she gets my money, the combined total of which would not pay for one conventional bar fine, my time, and my loyalty.

[Member #3453]

I believe you probably do understand me...You see, I am just a big teddy bear, and my girls are all preciosa to me, each and everyone of them, and I can't help but just love them to death. If I seem like I am controlled by them, it is just that I appreciate them sooooooo much, really, soooo much...smack, smack, smack, smack, smooch, smooch, smmoch...

You see, the board just takes my comments all too seriously...I am a lover (and part-time shit disturber), not a fighter!

Hope to see you in about three weeks. And, you are right, I don't remember your advising me with respect to changing my habits.

Frankly, You are a very smart dude. I think your motivations are kind of selfish...

You know why?

Because if I change my habits, no girl is safe. If I stick to my Angel Girl, everyone is better off in the long run...verdad?

USB


Now hold on just a minute there cowboy. I did not tell you notin' - Don't get me involved in this. I am keeping out of it because, my good friend, I actually understand you ..... sshhhh ... don't tell anyone.

Have fun - enjoy yourself and be safe.

Wasted

[Watcher50]

Here’S my contribution to the knowledge base here. Thanks to all the past posts, for getting me this far. I walked from the CP to the Vilagern area. Yeah it’s a long walk, but after 6 hours on a plane plus 2 hour lay over, the walk was good for me. It was a hot humid day, so I was lad to get to El Cielo and sit down. Got my 2 beers and watched to the show. El Cielo was quite dark, or maybe my eyes didn’t adjust from the day light, but I couldn’t see very much. Hard to tell the bellas from the feas. I left there and did some other exploring. I came across a place that hasn’t been mentioned Veibys, Villagomez con Arteaga. They have two center stages, one in use while I was there. When I went in there was this little morena spinner dancing. After her dance I bought her a drink and we talked, in my broken Spanish and her limited English Her name sounded like Lady, but was probably Lette. A private dance in one of the dark cubicles and she offer FS for 200p which I gladly accepted. Very tight and vary nice body. I hit Parthenon, Tango. Infinito, and didn’t like the vibe in any of them.

I went to Signore and had a "massage" from Cynthia. She was the best of the lot there. I was disappointed in the service. I know it’s a pay for play experience, but she would roll her eyes and wouldn’t participate. For the price 450p it was a better bargain the Tijuana, but the TJ chicas are into it a bit more.

I went back to CP for a rest and went to La Spugna near the hotel. There are more girls here than guys. This place seems almost as nice as Prestige, and probably just a little less expensive. The proximity to the CP, Sheraton and the American clients shows. All the chicas spoke passable English, some seemed almost fluent. I was approached almost immediately by one chica that had a nice enough body, but the teeth were not so nice. I sent her away and got left alone for awhile, then xxxxx approached, and asked that I buy her a drink. She said she was 33 but looked younger. Sge know what she was doing. While sitting on my lap she would tickle my balls, and blow in my ear. I chose for a 2 song private for 400p which was in a dark cubicle, free range touching and a bald kitty to stroke, I like that. Later she talked me into a more private area for 700p which had a larger couch and more light. She said she could get me off with a BJ, and if not a fuck. Well she was very good at the BJ, but I never finish that way. Besides, I wanted to feel that pussy. At La Spurga I only saw one enhances chica, all the others were natural, none were big titted and no gordas. My only issue is running a tab, you never k now what things cost until the bill arrives. They take credit cards, but add 10%, so watch your tab and ask the price. Tonight I’ll try Matehuala’s and see if I can find those block on Madero where the mid range places are. Can anyone give me a cross street? El Harem in the 1400 block/? I didn’t see any numbers on the buildings last night.

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[Watcher50]

At La Spurga the chica was Estrella.

Here's a question. All the places have a menu on the wall prividos 100 x3 or x4 which I understand. But what is TKT? They all have this, I guess it is an abveration but for what?

[Member #3453]

El Harem is on Madero, about one block to the East of Diego de Montemayor on the South Side of Madero.

There are several other clubs in the same general area right along Madero as well. You might want to check them out. They are clubs that I usually either frequent once or twice each trip. They have varying levels of quality, especially during the first part of the week. They are middle level clubs, and they're more comfortable to sit in than El Infinito. You will find most of these to have the best line-ups during the later part of the week, Wednesday through Saturday Nights.

1. Pasarelas is a few blocks to the West of Harem on Madero on the South Side of Madero.

2. TKCHE, five blocks East of Harem, on the North Side of Madero.

3. Excalibur, is about three blocks West of Harem on the North Side of Madero.

4. Azul Tequilla, one block West of Harem on the North Side of Madero.

These four clubs are within easy walking distance of each other. Azul Tequilla is especially iffy. I have been there when there were good girls, and I have been there when there was virtually nothing. I don't really know how they are running now as I haven't frequented it lately, but it does not seem as busy lately as what I have witnessed months ago at times. You might want to peak inside, but be on your guard. The waiters are sometimes especially mercenary in that particular club.

And, as long as you're visiting Matehuala, you might want to try another club that we all frequent when we visit MTY. The Club "Casino" is probably about 5-8 minutes West of Harem by taxi. It's located on Avenida Colon I believe, between Capt. Aguilar and Degollado, 2 blocks West of Matehuala. That is the general area where Colon and Madero are starting to merge together, and I can never quite remember whether it is actually off of Colon or off of Madero. I actually think that there are two respective entrances, one off of Colon and one off of Madero, so you probably won't miss it.

Have a good time...:-)


Here’S my contribution to the knowledge base here. Thanks to all the past posts, for getting me this far. I walked from the CP to the Vilagern area. Yeah it’s a long walk, but after 6 hours on a plane plus 2 hour lay over, the walk was good for me. It was a hot humid day, so I was lad to get to El Cielo and sit down. Got my 2 beers and watched to the show. El Cielo was quite dark, or maybe my eyes didn’t adjust from the day light, but I couldn’t see very much. Hard to tell the bellas from the feas. I left there and did some other exploring. I came across a place that hasn’t been mentioned Veibys, Villagomez con Arteaga. They have two center stages, one in use while I was there. When I went in there was this little morena spinner dancing. After her dance I bought her a drink and we talked, in my broken Spanish and her limited English Her name sounded like Lady, but was probably Lette. A private dance in one of the dark cubicles and she offer FS for 200p which I gladly accepted. Very tight and vary nice body. I hit Parthenon, Tango. Infinito, and didn’t like the vibe in any of them.

I went to Signore and had a "massage" from Cynthia. She was the best of the lot there. I was disappointed in the service. I know it’s a pay for play experience, but she would roll her eyes and wouldn’t participate. For the price 450p it was a better bargain the Tijuana, but the TJ chicas are into it a bit more.

I went back to CP for a rest and went to La Spugna near the hotel. There are more girls here than guys. This place seems almost as nice as Prestige, and probably just a little less expensive. The proximity to the CP, Sheraton and the American clients shows. All the chicas spoke passable English, some seemed almost fluent. I was approached almost immediately by one chica that had a nice enough body, but the teeth were not so nice. I sent her away and got left alone for awhile, then xxxxx approached, and asked that I buy her a drink. She said she was 33 but looked younger. Sge know what she was doing. While sitting on my lap she would tickle my balls, and blow in my ear. I chose for a 2 song private for 400p which was in a dark cubicle, free range touching and a bald kitty to stroke, I like that. Later she talked me into a more private area for 700p which had a larger couch and more light. She said she could get me off with a BJ, and if not a fuck. Well she was very good at the BJ, but I never finish that way. Besides, I wanted to feel that pussy. At La Spurga I only saw one enhances chica, all the others were natural, none were big titted and no gordas. My only issue is running a tab, you never k now what things cost until the bill arrives. They take credit cards, but add 10%, so watch your tab and ask the price. Tonight I’ll try Matehuala’s and see if I can find those block on Madero where the mid range places are. Can anyone give me a cross street? El Harem in the 1400 block/? I didn’t see any numbers on the buildings last night.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[El Cabron 007]

So tell me USB, do you know your way around the clubs or what? Hot damm man, you even know south from east? I only know where west is because of the pre-sunset walks to Infinito. But that's all. I don't know which way east is :-) I wonder if our local friend, Carlos, knows.

And the sun rises from the other side in the morning so I cannot see it until it’s sky-high.

Yes, Casino has 2 entrances on both roads.

When, if, I'm there, tempt me to go clubbing to some of those ones you mentioned. Will I be disappointed?

Wasted.



El Harem is on Madero, about one block to the East of Diego de Montemayor on the South Side of Madero.

There are several other clubs in the same general area right along Madero as well. You might want to check them out. They are clubs that I usually either frequent once or twice each trip. They have varying levels of quality, especially during the first part of the week. They are middle level clubs, and they're more comfortable to sit in than El Infinito. You will find most of these to have the best line-ups during the later part of the week, Wednesday through Saturday Nights.

These four clubs are within easy walking distance of each other. Azul Tequilla is especially iffy. I have been there when there were good girls, and I have been there when there was virtually nothing. I don't really know how they are running now as I haven't frequented it lately, but it does not seem as busy lately as what I have witnessed months ago at times. You might want to peak inside, but be on your guard. The waiters are sometimes especially mercenary in that particular club.

And, as long as you're visiting Matehuala, you might want to try another club that we all frequent when we visit MTY. The Club "Casino" is probably about 5-8 minutes West of Harem by taxi. It's located on Avenida Colon I believe, between Capt. Aguilar and Degollado, 2 blocks West of Matehuala. That is the general area where Colon and Madero are starting to merge together, and I can never quite remember whether it is actually off of Colon or off of Madero. I actually think that there are two respective entrances, one off of Colon and one off of Madero, so you probably won't miss it.

Have a good time...:-)

[Member #3453]

But, like all males, I am totally disoriented in your typical shopping mall :-) Thank God, in that sense, I am apparently normal.

I Hope you can make it WastedG. We can just kick back and have a cold one, an ice cold Coke Light that is. :-)

Frankly, when I contemplate the upcoming trip, I am not really that excited about seeing the girls. I am pleased, and look forward to spending time with my amigos, and I enjoy the girls, but sometimes dealing with them is a double edged sword. For some reason my desire to interact with the girls just isn't what it once was, and that desire is not even up to the same level as it was a couple of months ago. I think it has to do with the hassles of coordinating my desired level of GFE activity in MTY.

I think perhaps I am burning out. I want to see my Angel Girl very much on the one hand, but on the other I realize that it is all mostly a meaningless kind of thing, perhaps legitimate in the moment, but lacking any real meaningful significance with respect to my ultimate happiness upon my return to the real world. I don't know why I would even expect any meaningful significance out of such encounters...I don't...I really don't intellectually expect it. But, I think perhaps I am just growing tired of the games, tired of having to do all the work, tired of the travel, tired of spending a lot of money for what is generally just mediocre sessions, etc...

I once knew a very experienced monger, one whose screen name would probably be instantly recognized were I to divulge it. Anyway, he has since almost dropped completely off the face of the earth. You don't hear much of him these days on the boards. He eventually got married to a legitimate nice girl, in a foreign venue of course. But, I found it interesting that his reasons for getting married were that he was just tired of the games, the lies, the bar girl routine, etc...He had just finally had enough. I don't think I am at that juncture yet, not to the point of saying that I have had enough. But, I am finding myself considerably melancholy over the game itself.

I have contemplated a cooling off period with respect to returning to MTY, but I am like a drug addict, simultaneously craving and cursing whatever it is that motivates me to continue this routine. I suppose I realize that if I were to cut back, I would also be cutting back on my routine, and "routine" is what serves me well as an excuse to return.

You know, if you return regularly, each month, same period of time being gone from home, all of it being related to your regular work regimen, everybody at home expecting you to be in MTY on a monthly basis, then by cutting back on that regimen, you also cut back on the very thing that justifies your being gone, the very thing that makes your absence seem normal to everybody else.

The more you cut back on making regular scheduled trips to MTY, the more unique your absence becomes when you decide to travel frequently to MTY after taking a short vacation from it. So, if I expect to return as often as I previously enjoyed returning, it is important for me to continue my travel routine to MTY, or at least to continue traveling once a month to somewhere, so that everything seems relatively normal, and so I do not sabotage my own opportunities to return often.

If I cut back to once every two months, once a quarter, once every six months, etc...then if I choose to return on a monthly basis again, it calls that increase in travel activity into question. Whereas, if everything stays relatively static, there are no questions, and everyone is accepting of my travel circumstances.

I've considered traveling to other venues as a reprieve from the routine of the MTY bar girls, but the game itself seems to have lost it's overall appeal. I don't know what is happening, whether it's just my becoming burned out, or if I am simply developing an aversion to the work associated with the travel and coordination effort involved in a mongering holiday, or perhaps I am just developing a mature attitude with respect to my own contentedness. Whatever it is, I am feeling in a funk part of the time, and I'm charged up for a revist other times.

The point is, if you are able to travel freely, through work, or whatever, you can not cut back on that regimen without it affecting your overall freedom to monger should your batteries recharge. Just food for thought for those of us in similiar situations at home.





So tell me USB, do you know your way around the clubs or what? Hot damm man, you even know south from east? I only know where west is because of the pre-sunset walks to Infinito. But that's all. I don't know which way east is :-) I wonder if our local friend, Carlos, knows.

And the sun rises from the other side in the morning so I cannot see it until it’s sky-high.

Yes, Casino has 2 entrances on both roads.

When, if, I'm there, tempt me to go clubbing to some of those ones you mentioned. Will I be disappointed?

Wasted.

[MonterreyDude]

Watcher... you should go to Infinito instead of El Cielo.
And WOW!! walked all the way to El Cielo???

Let's see, Big Question: Why didn't you like Infinito??? El Cielo, Givenchy, Matehuala and Infinito are the same family, same setup.
Besides, the Infinito has the best girls.


Spugna: the reason there are more girls than cutomers is that Spugna is a small place, but it is a big rippoff. Part of the family of the Poisson MC, might seem it is not expensive, but at an end, as you say, if you don't look out, the tab will be quite high.

Matehuala... that place was once a hell of a place to be at. Now it is spirialing down to nothing.

Veybis... One thing Watcher: Villagomez is not a nice street to be at after sundown.

Again, I asure you that you'll forget the rest of the clubs once you see the Infinito at it's full swing.

Harem. Harem is as far away from the Infinito on Madero avenue to the East as the CP is from the Infinito... FAR!
Harem is at Avenida Madero at the corner of Carvajal y de la Cueva.
Prices at Harem, if you go there, are cheaper than the Spugna.
You'll pass along the way the Pasarelas, Excalibur and Azul Tequila (brother club to the Spugna).





Here’S my contribution to the knowledge base here. Thanks to all the past posts, for getting me this far. I walked from the CP to the Vilagern area. Yeah it’s a long walk, but after 6 hours on a plane plus 2 hour lay over, the walk was good for me. It was a hot humid day, so I was lad to get to El Cielo and sit down. Got my 2 beers and watched to the show. El Cielo was quite dark, or maybe my eyes didn’t adjust from the day light, but I couldn’t see very much. Hard to tell the bellas from the feas. I left there and did some other exploring. I came across a place that hasn’t been mentioned Veibys, Villagomez con Arteaga. They have two center stages, one in use while I was there. When I went in there was this little morena spinner dancing. After her dance I bought her a drink and we talked, in my broken Spanish and her limited English Her name sounded like Lady, but was probably Lette. A private dance in one of the dark cubicles and she offer FS for 200p which I gladly accepted. Very tight and vary nice body. I hit Parthenon, Tango. Infinito, and didn’t like the vibe in any of them.

I went to Signore and had a "massage" from Cynthia. She was the best of the lot there. I was disappointed in the service. I know it’s a pay for play experience, but she would roll her eyes and wouldn’t participate. For the price 450p it was a better bargain the Tijuana, but the TJ chicas are into it a bit more.

I went back to CP for a rest and went to La Spugna near the hotel. There are more girls here than guys. This place seems almost as nice as Prestige, and probably just a little less expensive. The proximity to the CP, Sheraton and the American clients shows. All the chicas spoke passable English, some seemed almost fluent. I was approached almost immediately by one chica that had a nice enough body, but the teeth were not so nice. I sent her away and got left alone for awhile, then xxxxx approached, and asked that I buy her a drink. She said she was 33 but looked younger. Sge know what she was doing. While sitting on my lap she would tickle my balls, and blow in my ear. I chose for a 2 song private for 400p which was in a dark cubicle, free range touching and a bald kitty to stroke, I like that. Later she talked me into a more private area for 700p which had a larger couch and more light. She said she could get me off with a BJ, and if not a fuck. Well she was very good at the BJ, but I never finish that way. Besides, I wanted to feel that pussy. At La Spurga I only saw one enhances chica, all the others were natural, none were big titted and no gordas. My only issue is running a tab, you never k now what things cost until the bill arrives. They take credit cards, but add 10%, so watch your tab and ask the price. Tonight I’ll try Matehuala’s and see if I can find those block on Madero where the mid range places are. Can anyone give me a cross street? El Harem in the 1400 block/? I didn’t see any numbers on the buildings last night.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[El Cabron 007]

Was it BB King who sang this one? and then I think it was Steve Winwood who said: "I gave you seven children and now you wanna give 'em back".

How Blue Can You Get? yeah, that's it. You should check those out.

Been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
I been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get

My love is like a fire but your love is like a cigarette
My love is like a fire but baby, yours is like a cigarette
I watched you step down on it, baby, and crush it
Tell me, how how how blue can you get

You're evil when I'm with you and you're jealous when we're apart
Yes, you're evil when I'm with you baby, lord have mercy, you're jealous when we're apart
How blue can you get ? right here in my heart

I gave you a brand new Ford but you said, "I want a Cadillac"
I bought you a ten-dollar dinner, you said, "Thanks for the snack"
I let you live in my penthouse, you said it was just a shack
I gave you seven children and now you wanna give 'em back

I been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get

Thank you Winwood

Wasted.



Frankly, when I contemplate the upcoming trip, I am not really that excited about seeing the girls. For some reason my desire to interact with the girls just isn't what it once was, and that desire is not even up to the same level as it was a couple of months ago. I think it has to do with the hassles of coordinating my desired level of GFE activity in MTY.
.

[Member #3453]

Perhaps that's it...BB King did indeed sing "The Thrill is Gone." Perhaps I merely have the blues.

He also sang, "There's a big old cockroach looking up at me," or perhaps that was Albert King...anyway, I digress. And, I don't mean to imply comparisons between the bar girls of MTY and the cockroaches of Albert King fame :-)

Thankfully, at least I have contributed some meaningful recommendations within the last two posts to assist our most recent visitor to MTY, and hopefully I will be forgiven for lapsing into meaningless, worthless drivel such as this.

I will recover my optomism soon...Please stand by. :-)


Was it BB King who sang this one? and then I think it was Steve Winwood who said: "I gave you seven children and now you wanna give 'em back".

How Blue Can You Get? yeah, that's it. You should check those out.

Been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
I been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get

My love is like a fire but your love is like a cigarette
My love is like a fire but baby, yours is like a cigarette
I watched you step down on it, baby, and crush it
Tell me, how how how blue can you get

You're evil when I'm with you and you're jealous when we're apart
Yes, you're evil when I'm with you baby, lord have mercy, you're jealous when we're apart
How blue can you get ? right here in my heart

I gave you a brand new Ford but you said, "I want a Cadillac"
I bought you a ten-dollar dinner, you said, "Thanks for the snack"
I let you live in my penthouse, you said it was just a shack
I gave you seven children and now you wanna give 'em back

I been downhearted, baby, ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get

Thank you Winwood

Wasted.

[Watcher50]

Why didn’t I like Infinito. Shortly after I got there, they got all the girls on stage, which I thought would be an opportunity to see all talent. What happened was they got on the stage and stood there. And stood. There was a gordo in front of me, so that’s all I could see from my ring side seat. This went on and on. I think I saw one chica go for a privado, but that’s it. I was disappointed none of the girls were that good, and there was just too many people; I just couldn’t get into the vibe. As for walking on Vilagomez. I got there before dark, and went into Vieby’s after sundown, before dark. When I came out, I did walk that block, but felt safe.

This time I took a cab. I found one with a meter, cause I asked if he had a meter before I got in. I told him I wanted to go to Madero and Vilagren. What he said, so I said again. Then said Infinito. Oh that he understands. He says 40p. I say mucho, so then he starts the meter. We are almost there and the meter say 25 and change, and he says 30p. We pull up and I give him the 30. Score one for the gringo. $1 that is. I walk over to Matehuala. The place is packed and the sun has not gone down. There were some fairly good looking girls on the stage. I had hoped they would take off more than they do during the third song, but that’s the custom I guess. The groping was different than anything I had seen before. But the girls seemed to keep going to the same guys, They would come over to me, a quick touch and they were gone. So, I decided to forego the stage side and see what else was there. What I could see, was girls checking their cell phones and seemed totally disinterested. Not even looking up when I passed. I didn’t see any movement toward to rooms, so I guess that is the action.

I stuck my head into Playboy3 and I woke up the girls that were there. 3 girls and nothing I wanted at that point. So I went into Givenchy’s which I don’t think I hit the night before. Got a seat at the stage, and looked at the talent. CP is right, this is the same as Infinito and Matehuala, same set up. Same customs. I didn’t see any thing that I could approach for a dance. So, having had fun at Vieby’s I went back there. But just a little late. The spinner I saw the night before was headed to the back corner with a customer, so I sat at the stage, and there is no other talent there other than Lette. I went back to Partenon. Here I learned a lesson. I sat at the stage, and the girl I bought a drink for last night was on the stage. The waiter comes over and I get a beer. I could have sworn I gave him a 100p bill, but not sure. He did some quick move with his hand and shows me a 20 and asks about a tip. The beer is 15p so 5 is a tip for 15. The girl gets off the stage and wants me to buy her another drink. The dama copas at Partenon are 100p. Way more than anywhere else. I wonder how long they will be there with rip off (suspect) waiters and girl drinks way more than any where else. I decline as this cute blonde gets on the stage. She does her thing on the stage. The bottoms never come off here, another reason it won’t last. I invite her to a table in the back and buy her a drink, and enjoy touching and looking. She speaks little English, so the best we can do is my limited Spanish. She asks about smoking and I say no fumar. I don’t smoke and I tell her no smoke. We talk about a privado, which agrees, and then she gets the waiter to bring her a cigarette! That’s it, forget it, and I walk.

Now I am ready for closer female companionship and the bars are not happening for me tonight. This guy outside D’ Libra tells me about the deal and the girls there. I go in and there are 2 big girls half asleep on the couch. I figured that the service would be as energetic, and walked. Back to Playboy 3. The girls didn’t look so bad this time. They are playing cards, and I get a 100p price, and choose Paola, cause her top was over flowing and had nice legs. We go to the room and for another 100p sin ropa, multiple positions. She was a real pro and sucking, did a good job getting mr happy hard, and then it was on. Legs over my shoulder and then perro.

So I never got to the Madero area, maybe next time, I only had so much time, and energy. I am glad to see that my posts have been a catalyst to get the discussion going again. Thanks for all the information I gleaned here, I only hope that these posts repay a little. I have never seen what a TKT is that was on the menu at every club. Anyone what to add that to the knowledge.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Member #3453]

Hi Watcher,

I only drink Coke Lite in the clubs, so I am not a beer officionado, but I assume the abbreviation refers to TeKate (TKT), the Mexican Beer.

I am, frankly, surprised at your opinion of El Infinito, which is by far my most favorite club in MTY, with Givenchy being a very close second due to its new motif, and a seemingly improved influx of comparatively attractive girls, which was not formerly the case a year ago.

Sometimes, when visiting clubs like El Infinito, it will appear that there are not many girls available, but generally on a weekend night, there are 40-50 girls or more between the two shifts. If you only saw a small number on stage when you were there, they are the left overs, girls left standing that are not popular. Most of the girls are upstairs in the privados giving private, 4-minute, dances. Generally, to get a shot at the HOT girls on a weekend night, you have to literally swoop in on them as they come down the stairs or they will be snatched away by some other guy who is simultaneously waiting for them to show up again. That is my theory about what you may have experienced. Because, literally, there are a TON of good looking girls working at El Infinito, especially on weekends, and it just doesn't sound normal for you to have experienced anything but an off-night otherwise.

You said that the girls were all called up on stage when you arrived, and that would have meant that you were there during "presentation," which theoretically would have given you a full display of the talent available in the club. However, it is possible that the best talent was already occupied in the privados when presentation began, which would have left you with the gordas, the ugly girls, the girls that have no personality, etc...Depending on the the night of the week, and the time of night, sometimes the best girls are occupied almost continuously in the privados, especially on weekends. Sometimes as they come down from the privados to enter the stage during presentation, the best girls are snatched up at the bottom of the stairs, long before they ever make it back to the stage.

There is simply no other explanation because there are simply more good looking girls available at El Infinito than almost any other bar in town, and possibly even in comparison to the medium and high end bars. But, I must admit that there are times when I have visited El Infinito and nothing really strikes my fancy. But, not usually on a weekend night. Weekend nights are usually very good...lots of attractive girls...very busy, but very good. If there is anything about the weekend nights that I dislike, it is the huge numbers of guys in the clubs because they are my competition.

One thing I do notice about selection, and this is purely subjective on my part, is that I prefer the selection available at El Infinito from the afternoon shift of girls, which would be from 4pm-11pm at night. For me, the night shift of girls has never really been quite as good as the afternoon shift. Meaning, I prefer not only the look of the afternoon shift of girls, but also the superior attitudes. The night shift girls have harsher attitudes, and while there are definitely some HOT girls on the night shift, I always found that there were more attractive girls on the afternoon shift.

I think that subject would be an interesting subject for discussion here. Assuming others on here that are regulars in Monterrey agree with my assessment, I wonder why there seems to be more attractive girls on the afternoon shift than the night shift.

If you were there after 11pm, or if you arrived for the presentation that starts around 10pm, then you might have been there at a time when most of the afternoon shift girls are pulling out all the stops to be in the privados so they can rack-up a sufficient number of privados to make their salary for the night. If they don't turn at least 30 privados in a shift, they lose their salary for the night. So, I've found that many of the girls really try to be off the floor and in the privados before their shift ends because it's their last ditch effot at making salary.

And, not only that, but I have also noticed the girls turn on the charm in the privados at that hour, right before shift change, just to keep you as long as they possibly can so they can rack up those privados one after another, so they don't have to go back downstairs to snag another potential client. Which, for some girls, depending on their reputations and their beauty, or lack thereof, is time consuming at a time when they need to be racking up repetitive privados to make salary. So, maybe the girls were trying their best to stay in the privados, which might explain an apparent deficit of talent on the stage downstairs when you were there.

Weekend nights are kind of a double edged sword, better selection, but more competition from other guys, noisy, rowdy, etc...Plus, the girls can make more money by working the bars than they can on salida. So, they are less motivated to agree to go on salida during weekend nights. That is one reason that I started to only travel to MTY between Sunday and Thursday nights...but, then, lately I think I might be missing out on seleciton that is otherwise available on weekend nights, so I might start to arrive and stay Saturday to Saturday, just to get a full measure as to what other girls might be available on weekends that I've been otherwise missing during the week.

My strategy has always been to visit a lot of clubs over the course of a typical night, and it does take a lot of energy. I bet I probably spend about 70-100 pesos a night in taxi fare running all over town to the clubs, not to mention the amount of worn shoe leather walking between the close clubs, sometimes visiting them numerous times for the very reasons I sighted above.

I can honestly say that for most guys visiting MTY for the first time, it is usually about all they can do just sit in the clubs and take it all in, maybe have a privado or two. In order to really "prosper" in the MTY venue one has to work at it, visit often, and spend a lot of money on individual girls to build a relationship for action outside the bars.

However, if one is determined, one has the money, usually about 1350-2000 pesos for 1.5 hours, one can easily bar fine a girl from almost any of the clubs, take her back to their hotel, and have fun for a couple of hours in the privacy of their hotel room, assuming they are staying in a girl friendly hotel.

Again, I am surprised that you did not find better quality at the clubs, especially El Infinito. I suspect that you would have preferred the clubs I recommended on Madero, just based on the preferences you seemed to indicate from the content of your posts. But, you would have most certainly been equally put off by the slightly higher prices in those bars compared to the Lower End ones like El Infinito. And, in my case, the reason I like to troll the lower end bars is that the medium level bars will cost you a minimum of 1700 pesos to bar fine a girl. So, I stick to the lower end bars to find some acceptable bargains.

As for the waiters, and their streaks of "larceny," that is a given in Mexico. I have a routine I go through with them, and most of them know me relatively well after my having been seen in the clubs for so many years. So, it's not generally a problem for me at this juncture because they don't usually try anything on me.

Anyway, I always make a big production out of watching them count the change back to me, and if they are honest, I usually give them a little tip just to keep them that way, to motivate them toward virtuosity where I am concerned :-) They do love a Gringo, especially if you can not converse with them well in Spanish, and if you're a new face, they'll try to scam you everytime.

Every time we go to the buffets in the afternoon at Prestige or Obsession, there is almost always a "problem" with the tab, even when Carlos is present, and he is extremely well know. We are always very diligent at checking their tally of the charges because we ALWAYS experience a problem. So, maybe it's a mistake on occassion, or maybe it's deliberately attempting to scam us, but it happens to everyone, and diligence is the best strategy when it comes to getting change in Mexico, Monterrey included. And, as you indicated, the taxi drivers are no better.



Why didn’t I like Infinito. Shortly after I got there, they got all the girls on stage, which I thought would be an opportunity to see all talent. What happened was they got on the stage and stood there. And stood. There was a gordo in front of me, so that’s all I could see from my ring side seat. This went on and on. I think I saw one chica go for a privado, but that’s it. I was disappointed none of the girls were that good, and there was just too many people; I just couldn’t get into the vibe. As for walking on Vilagomez. I got there before dark, and went into Vieby’s after sundown, before dark. When I came out, I did walk that block, but felt safe.

This time I took a cab. I found one with a meter, cause I asked if he had a meter before I got in. I told him I wanted to go to Madero and Vilagren. What he said, so I said again. Then said Infinito. Oh that he understands. He says 40p. I say mucho, so then he starts the meter. We are almost there and the meter say 25 and change, and he says 30p. We pull up and I give him the 30. Score one for the gringo. $1 that is. I walk over to Matehuala. The place is packed and the sun has not gone down. There were some fairly good looking girls on the stage. I had hoped they would take off more than they do during the third song, but that’s the custom I guess. The groping was different than anything I had seen before. But the girls seemed to keep going to the same guys, They would come over to me, a quick touch and they were gone. So, I decided to forego the stage side and see what else was there. What I could see, was girls checking their cell phones and seemed totally disinterested. Not even looking up when I passed. I didn’t see any movement toward to rooms, so I guess that is the action.

I stuck my head into Playboy3 and I woke up the girls that were there. 3 girls and nothing I wanted at that point. So I went into Givenchy’s which I don’t think I hit the night before. Got a seat at the stage, and looked at the talent. CP is right, this is the same as Infinito and Matehuala, same set up. Same customs. I didn’t see any thing that I could approach for a dance. So, having had fun at Vieby’s I went back there. But just a little late. The spinner I saw the night before was headed to the back corner with a customer, so I sat at the stage, and there is no other talent there other than Lette. I went back to Partenon. Here I learned a lesson. I sat at the stage, and the girl I bought a drink for last night was on the stage. The waiter comes over and I get a beer. I could have sworn I gave him a 100p bill, but not sure. He did some quick move with his hand and shows me a 20 and asks about a tip. The beer is 15p so 5 is a tip for 15. The girl gets off the stage and wants me to buy her another drink. The dama copas at Partenon are 100p. Way more than anywhere else. I wonder how long they will be there with rip off (suspect) waiters and girl drinks way more than any where else. I decline as this cute blonde gets on the stage. She does her thing on the stage. The bottoms never come off here, another reason it won’t last. I invite her to a table in the back and buy her a drink, and enjoy touching and looking. She speaks little English, so the best we can do is my limited Spanish. She asks about smoking and I say no fumar. I don’t smoke and I tell her no smoke. We talk about a privado, which agrees, and then she gets the waiter to bring her a cigarette! That’s it, forget it, and I walk.

Now I am ready for closer female companionship and the bars are not happening for me tonight. This guy outside D’ Libra tells me about the deal and the girls there. I go in and there are 2 big girls half asleep on the couch. I figured that the service would be as energetic, and walked. Back to Playboy 3. The girls didn’t look so bad this time. They are playing cards, and I get a 100p price, and choose Paola, cause her top was over flowing and had nice legs. We go to the room and for another 100p sin ropa, multiple positions. She was a real pro and sucking, did a good job getting mr happy hard, and then it was on. Legs over my shoulder and then perro.

So I never got to the Madero area, maybe next time, I only had so much time, and energy. I am glad to see that my posts have been a catalyst to get the discussion going again. Thanks for all the information I gleaned here, I only hope that these posts repay a little. I have never seen what a TKT is that was on the menu at every club. Anyone what to add that to the knowledge.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[MonterreyDude]

Probably Watcher preffers the regular strip clubs, the kind where the girls sit with you and have a drink.
That's why he mainly enjoyed his stay at the Partenon... a pretty bad example of a Monterrey strip club.
Also by reading his post I think he is starting his mongering in one of the most agresive customer/club/girl area, which is the Villagran zone (specially the Tangalay).

Watcher, you should really distance yourself from that point and go to the Pasarelas, Excalibur, Azul Tequila, Harem zone.
Take in account this: the Azul Tequila and the Excalibur are a little more expensive than the Pasarelas and the Harem with prices equal to the Pasarelas, but with a better quality of girls, but you'll notice on the spot that the girls are a little more customer oriented.
I do agree with USB that the best to be checked out would be the Pasarelas and I suggest the Harem.
About the massage places you went to at the Villagran zone, you went to probably the worst of the lot, Playboy 3 that I didn't mention on an earlier post preciesly because it is horrible.

And yesterday Friday was a really bad day to check the clubs, mainly cause after 7 pm there was a constant downpour.
The Prestige was SLOW for a Friday, Infinito and Givenchy was low on girls. My Harem fab was not going to work and all due to a couple of factors:
Friday was the first game of the Mexican Soccer league finals and here in Monterrey Alejandro Fernandez, a big crowd-gatherer was doing his act at the Expo de Guadalupe.

When there is an important soccer games, the girls skip work cause they know the club will only be full of fans and not customers and the Expo always knocks of customers and girls,,, always.








Hi Watcher,

I only drink Coke Lite in the clubs, so I am not a beer officionado, but I assume the abbreviation refers to TeKate (TKT), the Mexican Beer.

I am, frankly, surprised at your opinion of El Infinito, which is by far my most favorite club in MTY, with Givenchy being a very close second due to its new motif, and a seemingly improved influx of comparatively attractive girls, which was not formerly the case a year ago.

Sometimes, when visiting clubs like El Infinito, it will appear that there are not many girls available, but generally on a weekend night, there are 40-50 girls or more between the two shifts. If you only saw a small number on stage when you were there, they are the left overs, girls left standing that are not popular. Most of the girls are upstairs in the privados giving private, 4-minute, dances. Generally, to get a shot at the HOT girls on a weekend night, you have to literally swoop in on them as they come down the stairs or they will be snatched away by some other guy who is simultaneously waiting for them to show up again. That is my theory about what you may have experienced. Because, literally, there are a TON of good looking girls working at El Infinito, especially on weekends, and it just doesn't sound normal for you to have experienced anything but an off-night otherwise.

You said that the girls were all called up on stage when you arrived, and that would have meant that you were there during "presentation," which theoretically would have given you a full display of the talent available in the club. However, it is possible that the best talent was already occupied in the privados when presentation began, which would have left you with the gordas, the ugly girls, the girls that have no personality, etc...Depending on the the night of the week, and the time of night, sometimes the best girls are occupied almost continuously in the privados, especially on weekends. Sometimes as they come down from the privados to enter the stage during presentation, the best girls are snatched up at the bottom of the stairs, long before they ever make it back to the stage.

There is simply no other explanation because there are simply more good looking girls available at El Infinito than almost any other bar in town, and possibly even in comparison to the medium and high end bars. But, I must admit that there are times when I have visited El Infinito and nothing really strikes my fancy. But, not usually on a weekend night. Weekend nights are usually very good...lots of attractive girls...very busy, but very good. If there is anything about the weekend nights that I dislike, it is the huge numbers of guys in the clubs because they are my competition.

One thing I do notice about selection, and this is purely subjective on my part, is that I prefer the selection available at El Infinito from the afternoon shift of girls, which would be from 4pm-11pm at night. For me, the night shift of girls has never really been quite as good as the afternoon shift. Meaning, I prefer not only the look of the afternoon shift of girls, but also the superior attitudes. The night shift girls have harsher attitudes, and while there are definitely some HOT girls on the night shift, I always found that there were more attractive girls on the afternoon shift.

I think that subject would be an interesting subject for discussion here. Assuming others on here that are regulars in Monterrey agree with my assessment, I wonder why there seems to be more attractive girls on the afternoon shift than the night shift.

If you were there after 11pm, or if you arrived for the presentation that starts around 10pm, then you might have been there at a time when most of the afternoon shift girls are pulling out all the stops to be in the privados so they can rack-up a sufficient number of privados to make their salary for the night. If they don't turn at least 30 privados in a shift, they lose their salary for the night. So, I've found that many of the girls really try to be off the floor and in the privados before their shift ends because it's their last ditch effot at making salary.

And, not only that, but I have also noticed the girls turn on the charm in the privados at that hour, right before shift change, just to keep you as long as they possibly can so they can rack up those privados one after another, so they don't have to go back downstairs to snag another potential client. Which, for some girls, depending on their reputations and their beauty, or lack thereof, is time consuming at a time when they need to be racking up repetitive privados to make salary. So, maybe the girls were trying their best to stay in the privados, which might explain an apparent deficit of talent on the stage downstairs when you were there.

Weekend nights are kind of a double edged sword, better selection, but more competition from other guys, noisy, rowdy, etc...Plus, the girls can make more money by working the bars than they can on salida. So, they are less motivated to agree to go on salida during weekend nights. That is one reason that I started to only travel to MTY between Sunday and Thursday nights...but, then, lately I think I might be missing out on seleciton that is otherwise available on weekend nights, so I might start to arrive and stay Saturday to Saturday, just to get a full measure as to what other girls might be available on weekends that I've been otherwise missing during the week.

My strategy has always been to visit a lot of clubs over the course of a typical night, and it does take a lot of energy. I bet I probably spend about 70-100 pesos a night in taxi fare running all over town to the clubs, not to mention the amount of worn shoe leather walking between the close clubs, sometimes visiting them numerous times for the vary reasons I sighted above.

I can honestly say that for most guys visiting MTY for the first time, it is usually about all they can do just sit in the clubs and take it all in, maybe have a privado or two. In order to really "prosper" in the MTY venue one has to work at it, visit often, and spend a lot of money on individual girls to build a relationship for action outside the bars.

However, if one is determined, one has the money, usually about 1350-2000 pesos for 1.5 hours, one can easily bar fine a girl from almost any of the clubs, take her back to their hotel, and have fun for a couple of hours in the privacy of their hotel room, assuming they are staying in a girl friendly hotel.

Again, I am surprised that you did not find better quality at the clubs, especially El Infinito. I suspect that you would have preferred the clubs I recommended on Madero, just based on the preferences you seemed to indicate from the content of your posts. But, you would have most certainly been equally put off by the slightly higher prices in those bars compared to the Lower End ones like El Infinito. And, in my case, the reason I like to troll the lower end bars is that the medium level bars will cost you a minimum of 1700 pesos to bar fine a girl. So, I stick to the lower end bars to find some acceptable bargains.

As for the waiters, and their streaks of "larceny," that is a given in Mexico. I have a routine I go through with them, and most of them know me relatively well after my having been seen in the clubs for so many years. So, it's not generally a problem for me at this juncture because they don't usually try anything on me.

Anyway, I always make a big production out of watching them count the change back to me, and if they are honest, I usually give them a little tip just to keep them that way, to motivate them toward virtuosity where I am concerned :-) They do love a Gringo, especially if you can not converse with them well in Spanish, and if you're a new face, they'll try to scam you everytime.

Every time we go to the buffets in the afternoon at Prestige or Obsession, there is almost always a "problem" with the tab, even when Carlos is present, and he is extremely well know. We are always very diligent at checking their tally of the charges because we ALWAYS experience a problem. So, maybe it's a mistake on occassion, or maybe it's deliberately attempting to scam us, but it happens to everyone, and diligence is the best strategy when it comes to getting change in Mexico, Monterrey included. And, as you indicated, the taxi drivers are no better.

[Member #3453]

I was almost going to mention that there was probably something else going on that would have effected the quality in the clubs, and I speculated that there may have been a soccer game or something "sociologically" effecting the overall clubbing experience.

I am glad you responded with that explanation Carlos. It is another example of the importance of having Carlos on the ground in MTY to bring some of the nuances that can effect the clubbing experience into proper perspective, and so we can sometimes understand what might be motivating otherwise negative reports about experiences that to us seem hard to grasp. No matter how surprising those negative experiences may seem to be to those of us that frequent MTY on a regular basis, there is usually some underlying reason why the visitor did not have as good a time as we regulars know is potentially possible.

It's interesting that while the Vilagran clubs are the least expensive, they are also perhaps more hostile to the new visitor. It is kind of a "catch 22" situation. Do you go to the clubs on Vilagran, the ones that are the cheapest on-site, the ones that offer the best potential for extra curricular action outside the clubs, or to the cushier clubs on Madero, The Harem, The Pasarelas, Casino, etc...where the cost is higher all around, but the likelihood of a more welcoming environment, especially to a new visitor, is more likely.

I think that it all does come down to individual tastes inherent in the new visitor, and the expectations of the new visitor based on former experiences in the States or wherever. I myself would probably prefer the "environment" of the Madero clubs, along with the potential satisfaction offered by the low end bars on Vilagran. Unfortunately, there is no combination that perfectly fits my expectations, so sometimes I am excessively bitchy about the scene in MTY, a fault of mine, and one that does not usually prove to be the norm for most visitors. I am spoiled.

I think that we as regular visitors might sometimes overlook the overall effect of the environment in the low end bars because we have learned to adapt and turn those detriments to our advantage. But, a new visitor may not really have the tools to make such a thing occur to their advantage and overall comfort level.




Probably Watcher preffers the regular strip clubs, the kind where the girls sit with you and have a drink.
That's why he mainly enjoyed his stay at the Partenon... a pretty bad example of a Monterrey strip club.
Also by reading his post I think he is starting his mongering in one of the most agresive customer/club/girl area, which is the Villagran zone (specially the Tangalay).

Watcher, you should really distance yourself from that point and go to the Pasarelas, Excalibur, Azul Tequila, Harem zone.
Take in account this: the Azul Tequila and the Excalibur are a little more expensive than the Pasarelas and the Harem with prices equal to the Pasarelas, but with a better quality of girls, but you'll notice on the spot that the girls are a little more customer oriented.
I do agree with USB that the best to be checked out would be the Pasarelas and I suggest the Harem.
About the massage places you went to at the Villagran zone, you went to probably the worst of the lot, Playboy 3 that I didn't mention on an earlier post preciesly because it is horrible.

And yesterday Friday was a really bad day to check the clubs, mainly cause after 7 pm there was a constant downpour.
The Prestige was SLOW for a Friday, Infinito and Givenchy was low on girls. My Harem fab was not going to work and all due to a couple of factors:
Friday was the first game of the Mexican Soccer league finals and here in Monterrey Alejandro Fernandez, a big crowd-gatherer was doing his act at the Expo de Guadalupe.

When there is an important soccer games, the girls skip work cause they know the club will only be full of fans and not customers and the Expo always knocks of customers and girls,,, always.

[Watcher50]

I was in Monterrey on Tuesday and Wednesday, it wasn't raining then and the only soccor I saw on TV was from England, so I don't think the national team was playing. I don't often get to Monterrey, and this was my first time exploring the Vilagren area. The clubs just didn't seem that accessable to me. Very different than any where else I have been. I don't have a lot of time for mongering. Yeah I probably would have been happier going to the Madero clubs. But it was a great experience, maybe once in a life time, and I won't forget. It is always fun exploring new women. If I am ever there again, the Madero area! My travels are for business with evening fun when I can, my next trip is to Reynosa in a couple of weeks. Boys town, rip off Lipstick and door girls. Or?

[Member #3453]

Watcher,

Your recent reports have made me realize something about my own circumstances with respect to visiting MTY...It has resulted in somewhat of a new revelation to me, and in my being more open to modifying my current strategies.

With respect to your post...

Yeah, Tuesday Nights are sometimes a little slow in the clubs. Wednesday is usually a slightly noticeable improvement with respect to selection, and generally by Thursday, selection is starting to improve to the extent that it's really quite noticeable up through Saturday night, Friday and Saturday night being the best for selection of course.

Lately, I've been relatively critical of the selection available in MTY myself. I was beginning to think that perhaps it was just me, a guy becoming "spoiled" to a venue due to everything being too routine and overly familiar, the same girls, the same waiters, the same clubs, etc...As a newbie to MTY five years ago, I remember being totally in "AWE" of the HOT girls of MTY, and of the format in all of the clubs.

But, lately, I've been less impressed by the selection in Monterrey. I thought it was just me, that I was being overly critical of the current range of selection due to my own boredom with a venue that has almost grown too familiar. But, perhaps the selection is not now quite what it once was Five years ago, especially for the occassional visitor who has to really work at it as was indicated in your post.

From my perspective, it seems I have to work pretty hard to find a satisfaction level that seemed more easily attainable in the past. But, I thought that most of my current negative attitudes were the result of Monterrey "losing it's thrill," (ie: "The Thrill Is Gone" thread). At least for me, lately, it seems like it is requiring quite a lot more effort to be satisfied compared to five years ago.

I just thought my expectations were becoming unrealistic, and that due to my having experienced some of the best of times over the years past, and by my continuing to anticipate the same level of "awe" was just serving to sabotage the potential for pleasant experiences in the future. So, I have decided to start with a fresh perspective on this upcoming trip in a couple of weeks, and to seriously modify my approach as was suggested by Carlos, Mill, Porker, etc...

I also think that when I visit MTY, I am there on a mission that is really quite different than the average occassional visitor or newbie visitor. When I come to MTY, I am there for salida action, whereas the average visitor is looking more to be entertained in the clubs. I recall that when I started coming to MTY originally, I was also totally captivated by the in-club action. I don't think I actually sprang for a Salida until making at least 5-6 trips. Most of my comfort level was found in the medium level clubs like the ones on Madero. I did not really start to embrace the low end bars until I had a change in strategy several years ago, mostly due to price points.

On my initial trips to MTY, I recall coming into MTY and spending wildly on Jarras. The pitchers of refreshment for the chicas that run between 250-350 pesos, depending on the club. I remember sitting in the private areas of the medium level clubs and trying to talk to the girls. At that time, I knew almost no Spanish, and it was entertaining for me to sit with them in the clubs, having them show me their brand of attention in the semi private areas of the club, maybe having a privado dance or two from them. If I were able to find an entertaining Chica, it was not unusual for me to buy them 2-3 Jarras (Pitchers), and then to move on to the next club and do the very same thing, sometimes up until 2am in the morning.

I finally realized that were I to plow that money into actually paying for salidas, I could get a lot more "satisfaction" for the money spent, and build upon relationships with the girls to a point where sometimes what I was spending on Jarras on one girl would almost exceed what I was eventually able to pay familiar girlfriends, some of the salidas eventually only costing me 350-500 pesos at times, and that would be for their company over the course of 2-6 hours, and sometimes, if things went well, todo la noche. Then, it became evident that the cost of salidas was significantly less from the lower end bars, and I started to frequent them more often. Eventually, El Infinito became my favorite, mostly due to selection as it relates to the price of salidas.

So, my approach to Monterrey really changed after I had made several trips to town. As a result of this evolution of my strategy, I have come to a point where my expectations are really quite unrealistic with respect to what is attainable. Currently, my strategy is to avoid even the cost of paying salidas, saving 350 pesos, and to negotiate the girls end of the bargain down even further, sometimes attaining costs of 500 pesos.

So, if I really analyse the evolution of my strategy, I have myself made my own potential for satisfaction much more difficult because I have to actually turn these hookers into real girlfriends to achieve GFE's with girls for near to nothing in cost, and for a minimum of 2-6 hours, preferrably seeking todo la noche in the optimum sense. So, upon my own internal analysis, I realize that I have complicated the game so significantly that I am bound to be less satisfied because success levels are not as easily achieved as if I were to merely pay the salidas or sit in the clubs and grope the girls.

I have become extremely demanding with respect to my expectations of the girls, and I can see where I need to back off and to return to the days when I was a little less anticipatory of low cost perfection from them. This is true especially now, if in fact, as your post suggests, the girls are not quite up to par in the "here and now" compared to past years. My recent past strategy and expectations have me anticipating virtual freebies, or real low cost, Long Time commitments from the girls, something that is simply not a part of the scene in MTY. I have been painting MTY with a SE Asian, South and Central American level of anticipation, and that simply isn't fair or accurate with respect to the MTY venue.

If I intend to visit MTY, I must have realistic expectations of the girls and of the venue. So, I have decided to change my strategy. I still have a few girls that I can rely on, but I must look for other potential candidates for future salidas, to work on them, to convert them to girlfriend hookers, but to also simultaneously, in the process, be willing to play the game as it's cast in MTY.

Fotunately, as Carlos regularly assures me, these negative selection issues are things are all cyclical in Monterrey. Hopefully, the next generation will bring something fresh to the scene. I certainly hope so. But with each new generation of hope, of course, comes my own handicap, the spector of age, which will surely play an increasingly detrimental roll in my own ability to charm the hookers for freebies and reduced cost salidas.


I was in Monterrey on Tuesday and Wednesday, it wasn't raining then and the only soccor I saw on TV was from England, so I don't think the national team was playing. I don't often get to Monterrey, and this was my first time exploring the Vilagren area. The clubs just didn't seem that accessable to me. Very different than any where else I have been. I don't have a lot of time for mongering. Yeah I probably would have been happier going to the Madero clubs. But it was a great experience, maybe once in a life time, and I won't forget. It is always fun exploring new women. If I am ever there again, the Madero area! My travels are for business with evening fun when I can, my next trip is to Reynosa in a couple of weeks. Boys town, rip off Lipstick and door girls. Or?

[MonterreyDude]

Watcher, we thought you were posting directly from Monterrey.
I even told other mongers from other forums her for Memorial weekend to be in the watch for you, so they could help you out.
And yes, I see you came on not so good days. Tuesday is slow and on Wednesday the clubs are just gearing up for the weekend.
Reading you are going to RBT in the future and seeing that you already know how's the action there, I think you'll feel at home there.
I know the "disposition" of the girls is different and the setup itself is like another world compared to Monterrey.
(Another world in the sense that prices paid at the border towns are killing the business, but that is another story)
So I'll check your posts at the Reynosa section, see how it went for you in your next trip to the border and will be waiting for you when you visit Monterrey next time.
We'll try to help you out now that we know what we are looking for.


PS: Pay no attention to USB. He's in love, so he's biased.



I was in Monterrey on Tuesday and Wednesday, it wasn't raining then and the only soccor I saw on TV was from England, so I don't think the national team was playing. I don't often get to Monterrey, and this was my first time exploring the Vilagren area. The clubs just didn't seem that accessable to me. Very different than any where else I have been. I don't have a lot of time for mongering. Yeah I probably would have been happier going to the Madero clubs. But it was a great experience, maybe once in a life time, and I won't forget. It is always fun exploring new women. If I am ever there again, the Madero area! My travels are for business with evening fun when I can, my next trip is to Reynosa in a couple of weeks. Boys town, rip off Lipstick and door girls. Or?

[Member #3453]

PS: Pay no attention to USB. He's in love, so he's biased.


Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! Carlos!!!!

I don't know...my comments do not sound like the comments of a monger in love. No, I think they are more akin to a monger who is exhausted trying to maintain GFE from a venue where such results require significant effort....But, hey, I am coming down this time with a totally open mind, with a completely different set of expectations. Plus, by the time I get there on June 16th, I will have been away for two months. So, absence makes the heart grow fonder, with respect to the experience in Mty that is.

[El Cabron 007]

Different expectations my a$$. The minute you see the "G" girl, you will fall head over heals all over again and we will not see you for 3 days.

Or am I wrong?

Wasted.


Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!n Carlos!!!!

I don't know...my comments do not sound like the comments of a monger in love. No, I think they are more akin to a monger who is exhausted trying to maintain GFE from a venue where such results require significant effort....But, hey, I am coming down this time with a totally open mind, with a completely different set of expectations. Plus, by the time I get there on June 16th, I will have been away for two months. So, absence makes the heart grow fonder, with respect to the experience in Mty that is.

[Member #3453]

If I could rely on the "G" girl to be with me, I would say you are right. I would say that if she were available, I know in my heart there is simply no better alternative available to me in Monterrrey at this juncture. So, playing the conservative angle, I will go with the sure thing.

But, I have learned that I can not rely on the "G" girl to spend that kind of time with me. So, I think you're wrong. I don't think it will happen...not three days. I think that if she could be there, she would. But, the "G" girl apparently has a multitude of "issues" that are interferring with my (our) romance, so I expect that unless I adopt a different attitude, I am probably only setting myself up for disappointment waiting on her over the course of the week I will be there.

I won't change things with respect to refraining from trolling for new talent in El Infinito because I have been down that same road with Angry Girl, and I don't want a replay of that scenario. I don't want to sabotage a good thing such as what I have in "G" girl. If you can assure me that by pursuing all the other girls in front of "G" girl, I will come out a winner, then fine. But, that DID NOT occur with Angry Girl, so I am gun shy about using that tactic. The tactic makes sense, but I am real reluctant about using that tactic on "G" girl after having lost one already using the same kind of strategy.

But, other clubs, no problem, as was the case last time in Givenchy when I bar fined a new candidate. My prior arrangements with "G" girl have always been based on her telling me she would be available to me whenever I wanted her, but in the event she can not make it, she thinks I will find other entertainment if she is not available. I went into the whole thing with the "G" girl with only the best of intentions, wishing to patronize her only, if in fact she were able to devote the amount of time that I "need." But, I can see now that she is not able to do that, and frankly, it is just too damned expensive to wait on her. So, she has a choice to make, and regretably, so do I.


Different expectations my a$$. The minute you see the "G" girl, you will fall head over heals all over again and we will not see you for 3 days.

Or am I wrong?

Wasted.

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: "I know in my heart there is simply no better alternative available to me in Monterrrey at this juncture."
Cause you are not looking. When you are not with "G", you are wasting time with your 2 old flames and that is getting back to your supposedly "confortable zone".


USB says: "I won't change things with respect to refraining from trolling for new talent in El Infinito because I have been down that same road with Angry Girl, and I don't want a replay of that scenario."

Trolling??? Is this the way you see yourself??? I really need to beat some sense into you.

USB say: "But, other clubs, no problem, as was the case last time in Givenchy when I bar fined a new candidate."

I don't think so... "no problem" indeed, you did it cause I was twisting your arm. Until I see you doing this on a regular basis, your point of view is not valid.

Conclusion; am I or not, a really mean SOB of a teacher????







If I could rely on the "G" girl to be with me, I would say you are right. I would say that if she were available, I know in my heart there is simply no better alternative available to me in Monterrrey at this juncture. So, playing the conservative angle, I will go with the sure thing.

But, I have learned that I can not rely on the "G" girl to spend that kind of time with me. So, I think you're wrong. I don't think it will happen...not three days. I think that if she could be there, she would. But, the "G" girl apparently has a multitude of "issues" that are interferring with my (our) romance, so I expect that unless I adopt a different attitude, I am probably only setting myself up for disappointment waiting on her over the course of the week I will be there.

I won't change things with respect to refraining from trolling for new talent in El Infinito because I have been down that same road with Angry Girl, and I don't want a replay of that scenario. I don't want to sabotage a good thing such as what I have in "G" girl. If you can assure me that by pursuing all the other girls in front of "G" girl, I will come out a winner, then fine. But, that DID NOT occur with Angry Girl, so I am gun shy about using that tactic. The tactic makes sense, but I am real reluctant about using that tactic on "G" girl after having lost one already using the same kind of strategy.

But, other clubs, no problem, as was the case last time in Givenchy when I bar fined a new candidate. My prior arrangements with "G" girl have always been based on her telling me she would be available to me whenever I wanted her, but in the event she can not make it, she thinks I will find other entertainment if she is not available. I went into the whole thing with the "G" girl with only the best of intentions, wishing to patronize her only, if in fact she were able to devote the amount of time that I "need." But, I can see now that she is not able to do that, and frankly, it is just too damned expensive to wait on her. So, she has a choice to make, and regretably, so do I.

[Member #3453]

Ok...here...look... Por FAVOR :-) I did not know I was not meeting my quota!!!! What is my quota anyway???? Lets go over the sales figures...

I am looking for other options, but not when you are present. Remember, when I was in Pasarelas, I did not call over Cindy #1, she came to me, to trap me as you say, to lure me back in to her crazy, mixed up life, and I agree with you. I bought her two drinks, nothing more. And, I started out with a new girl before Cindy came over. I was not really wanting to remain with "New Girl" at Pasarelas because she did not interest me.

And, you do not know the three other girls in Pasarelas that are regularly visiting me at my table when you and I are not together. Remember, we are only able to prowl the clubs together a couple of nights a week. I have three girls in Pasarelas in addition to Cindy #1. One of them, Xiomara of the Pasarelas is a HOT fox, but a gold digging, drink monger, not terribly sincere IMHO, and the other two are not terribly attractive to me, but seemingly sincere. But, what the hell, I am open to your preferred strategy of finding ugly, fat girls for unbridled fun ;-) You see, I am open to it.

I will agree with you about Cindy #2 at Extasis. She is a waste of time with respect to salidas. But, even this last time I was in town, I just popped in to give her a bag of cookies, say hi...etc...She had been begging me to bring her some cookies for she and her daughter, so I just popped in to drop them off.

I think I bought her two drinks, and was probably there less than an hour before moving on to the next club. So, I was just in there to say hello, nothing more...no different than when you yourself make hit and runs at the Prestige with your present girl, or as you formerly did with the "B" girl, a girl that you knew was going to do NOTHING with you.

Remember, you liked your "B" girl because of her excellent personality, and because she was a friend. And, I understood why you spent money on her. She was a good girl, fun to talk to, pretty, etc...You see, I am much more understanding of your ways, ways that are exactly the same as mine, than you are of my ways.

Remember, you told me how much you were going to miss her when she left and went to another shift. You missed her for the same reasons I miss my girlfriends...Cindy #2 will do nothing with me, Cindy #1 will go with me whenever I want, no problem. And my "G" girl, there is none finer in the world. I have a girl at El Cielo that will go with me for 350 pesos, meet me after work, no bar fine, and stay with me for four hours. She exhibits "sincerity" in her GFE too.

Let see, who else???

With respect to Cindy #2, I am not really as impressed with her anymore. She is a friend, and she can be fun, but as BB KING says, "The thrill is gone." I will still probably visit her, but only because I would rather talk to her than most of the other girls that I find in some of the clubs. If I visit her it is with no expectation that I will be seeing her outside the clubs, just as you had the same kind of relationship with your former girl at the Prestige, the "B" girl.

With your "B" girl at the Prestige, you had no intention of seeing her outside the club because she was...well, you know. Anyway, you still visited her, paid for drinks, certainly you've paid for many more drinks than I have spent lately on Cindy #1 or Cindy #2 combined. I have limited both of them to the point that they probably both view "me" as a waste of time now because I am so cheap with them :-) You see, with Cindy #1, I am working your little strategy.

You watch, eventually she will be begging me to go on salida because it will simultaneously firm up her drink business when I visit her club. I am playing your strategy with her to the "T." I believe in using that strategy if I sense a level of insincerity from the girl. I do not sense that same insincerity from my "G" girl, so I am playing her entirely differently. That same insincerity may develop, but until it does, I will play my "G" girl differently than I play Cindy #1.

But, as for salidas, I can not even entertain the idea of salidas from the medium level bars such as Harem or Casino because it's just simply too expensive. So, I am somewhat trapped with only having access to the low end bars for salida action, which only includes El Infinito and Givenchy, and with Matehuala and El Cielo currently being the dregs these days my options in the low end bars are somewhat limited.

Admittedly, I am reluctant to sabotage my situation at El Infinito, so I am cautious at that club, and I will continue to be cautious because I've got a good thing going with my "G" girl. But, otherwise, when I find something in another bar, such as Givenchy, or more rarely lately in El Cielo and Matehuala, I am totally open to bar fining newbies.

I am open to working the girls of the night shift at El-Infinito. Even though word travels fast, and I risk some blow back as a result, I am open to "selectively" working those night shift girls, even though the night shift girls do not appeal to me like the afternoon shift girls do.

If my "G" girl is not available, she will simply have to realize that her being unavailable is not my problem. That is where I am going to change my strategy this trip. I am sending that message this trip, that I prefer her, that I will patronize her in lieu of others, not because I am "in love" with her, but because I prefer to be with her compared to other girls. But, I will also send the message that I will not wait for her. Because, I hate the boredom of waiting for her more than I "love" her.

That was the source of my discontent with Monterrey last time, and I WILL NOT not do that again...I will not bore myself to death by waiting for her. It is not her fault, and I truly believe she wants to be there, but I can't help it. This trip, I will be having that discussion with her so she knows that I will not wait. That is the issue that really caused me to be visibly aggravated last time, and somehow I have to send that message to her, that I prefer her, that I "love" her, but that I am not going to wait for her.

Remember my new girl in Tangalay. Is that not a valiant effort on my part, in full view for all skeptics to see? If I can find that girl again this trip, I "might" take her out of Tangalay on this trip. I am totally open to it. The only reason I did not take her on salida last time is because I arrived at the end of her shift. I just arrived too late. She called me on my cell phone at 8pm asking me to come get her, but I was...well...I was already busy with my "G" girl having dinner and screwing her brains out. However, this trip, I will make good with my new girl at Tangalay, I promise.

But, as far as available options in Prestige or Obsession either one, I doubt there are any. The cost alone for salida action out of those two bars would be ridiculous, and not only that, the girls are totally "hardcore" IMHO, promising the moon but never really delivering with misleadingly promised salida action. Unless of course you want me to work on your girl at the Obsession...lets see??? Yeah, she might be a good option :-) (just kidding).

The only girl that I was ever able to take out of those high end clubs was Lily, and even then, it took me months to finally arrange it. I could see Lily all over again by rekindling our acquaintance over at the TKChe, and she would visit me on salida with no problem. Fact is, it would not even require a salida. She would meet me on her off time for about 800 pesos or less, just as she did when she worked at Obsession.

And, of course, I could easily take Marcella, but I knew her long before she ever worked at Obsession. I met her three years ago at the Harem. We are old friends...Besides, she doesn't even work at Obsession any more. So, right now, there simply isn't a "nice" girl, certainly none at Prestige, and none that I know of at Obsession...with the exception of your lamb, who I will not soil out of respect for you, Carlos.

Oh, and I almost forgot. What about my two girls at Harem??? I could easily take "V" or "N," no problem. Even "N" is vowing to meet me now. Plus she will do it all on-site, no problem. And, "V," she will stay with me todo la noche for the cost of a salida.

But, here is the bottom line...of all these options, there is one girl that is far superior to all the rest. If I can spend my time with her, I will. But, I know it will not happen, so this trip, I am open to working the full range of my options.

Oh, and I just forgot, what about the new girl I bar fined last time from Givenchy? Huhmmmmmmmmmmmm??? I could go on and on and on and on...but, bottom line, none of them comes close to my Angel Girl...none. I know a good thing when I have found it.


USB says: "I know in my heart there is simply no better alternative available to me in Monterrrey at this juncture."
Cause you are not looking. When you are not with "G", you are wasting time with your 2 old flames and that is getting back to your supposedly "confortable zone".


USB says: "I won't change things with respect to refraining from trolling for new talent in El Infinito because I have been down that same road with Angry Girl, and I don't want a replay of that scenario."

Trolling??? Is this the way you see yourself??? I really need to beat some sense into you.

USB say: "But, other clubs, no problem, as was the case last time in Givenchy when I bar fined a new candidate."

I don't think so... "no problem" indeed, you did it cause I was twisting your arm. Until I see you doing this on a regular basis, your point of view is not valid.

Conclusion; am I or not, a really mean SOB of a teacher????

[Member #3453]

"strategy of finding ugly, fat girls for unbridled fun..."

Ok, so I was perhaps exaggerating your personal preferences...but, you yourself have told me to look for ugly, fat girls, and that all my problems would be solved. My reply to your suggestion has always been that I can find ugly, fat girls here in the USA. No...I want thin, beautiful girls, preferrably flaca, morenas with good hair, nice butts, cute figures, under 26-27 years of age, get it??? Verdad? :-)

[Maxout]

Thanks to information posted in this forum, I gave Infinitro a try. A nice experience... what you see is what you get. A lot of girls, but only a few attrative ones. Makes you feel like you are on a treasure hunt. Discovered a very pretty girl (I can't remember her name) and gave her a try. Got the full deal for 480 pesos (3 dances @ 50 pesos each, 300 pesos for services rendered and 30 pesos for a raincoat). All in all a nice experience.

Met up with Carlos and moved on to Harlem. Some nice looking girls, but a lot more games to be played. Got privados from two girls and decided to go for the 550 peso 15 minute secluded backroom with a very attratrive young lady. We had an agreed upon deal prior to going back in the room, but her memory quickly failed her as she forgot our deal and started upselling. It was a real turn-off. I did not buy into the upselling, but left rather pissed.

Infinito won the challenge today.

Thanks Carlos for the guidance.

MaxOut

[MonterreyDude]

Damn!
What's the girl's name...?
Gonna pull her ears till they sting....

Inifnito girl was Daphne.

Anyway... glad you had fun down here....

Give us a post when you come back to town... cause I can't PM you sir!!!




Thanks to information posted in this forum, I gave Infinitro a try. A nice experience... what you see is what you get. A lot of girls, but only a few attrative ones. Makes you feel like you are on a treasure hunt. Discovered a very pretty girl (I can't remember her name) and gave her a try. Got the full deal for 480 pesos (3 dances @ 50 pesos each, 300 pesos for services rendered and 30 pesos for a raincoat). All in all a nice experience.

Met up with Carlos and moved on to Harlem. Some nice looking girls, but a lot more games to be played. Got privados from two girls and decided to go for the 550 peso 15 minute secluded backroom with a very attratrive young lady. We had an agreed upon deal prior to going back in the room, but her memory quickly failed her as she forgot our deal and started upselling. It was a real turn-off. I did not buy into the upselling, but left rather pissed.

Infinito won the challenge today.

Thanks Carlos for the guidance.

MaxOut

[MonterreyDude]

Oh... am gonna have so much fun next time you're in.... I'll surround you with tons of fat and ugly girls... so many HORNY fat and ugly girls that you can beat a stick at them!




"strategy of finding ugly, fat girls for unbridled fun..."

Ok, so I was perhaps exaggerating your personal preferences...but, you yourself have told me to look for ugly, fat girls, and that all my problems would be solved. My reply to your suggestion has always been that I can find ugly, fat girls here in the USA. No...I want thin, beautiful girls, preferrably flaca, morenas with good hair, nice butts, cute figures, under 26-27 years of age, get it??? Verdad? :-)

[Member #3453]

Oh... am gonna have so much fun next time you're in.... I'll surround you with tons of fat and ugly girls... so many HORNY fat and ugly girls that you can beat a stick at them!

Ok, but, you know...I can tolerate mildlly ugly...It's fat that pisses me off. Listen, I will consider ugly, ok? :-) And, "horny" is always good...Horny??? Horny is good.

FAT = :-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
Terribly UGLY = :-(((((((((((((((
Moderately UGLY = :-\
Flaca = :-)))))
Morena = :-))))
Horny = >:-)))))))))
HOT = :-)))))))))))))

Do I know Daphne at the Infinito? You know me, I forget their names so easily. You will have to point her out to me when I am there. But, you know, I can't touch her because my "novia" is there.

Hey, that reminds me, did you touch base with my "G" girl to let her know of my return? Frankly, I have a hunch that she has not been working much lately, just a sixth sense.

It's a shame that our friend was treated with such disrespect at the Harem. I hate the upsell. It is a total emotional/intellectual castration. What was the girl's name at the Harem. Not my "V" or "N" girl I hope. They are usually quite good.

You know, it occurs to me that most of my bitching about Monterrey is relatively unfounded compared to some of the recent reports that the last couple of guys have posted here about their experiences.

Frankly, my experiences are really quite good in Monterrey, and I think I have literally become quite spoiled at the relatively excellent treatment I typically receive from the girls. I know it's because many of the girls know me well now, and because they actually deliver the goods with some measure of sincere friendship as a result. And, of course, I also realize their underlying motives as well. But, I recognize that I am very fortunate to have my flock of relatively dependable options.

A couple of months away from the Oasis will have a profoundly thankful effect on one's overall "motivation." ;-)

[MonterreyDude]

Daphne is a night shift girl... all yours.


Ok, but, you know...I can tolerate mildlly ugly...It's fat that pisses me off. Listen, I will consider ugly, ok? :-) And, "horny" is always good...Horny??? Horny is good.

FAT = :-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
Terribly UGLY = :-(((((((((((((((
Moderately UGLY = :-\
Flaca = :-)))))
Morena = :-))))
Horny = >:-)))))))))
HOT = :-)))))))))))))

Do I know Daphne at the Infinito? You know me, I forget their names so easily. You will have to point her out to me when I am there. But, you know, I can't touch her because my "novia" is there.

Hey, that reminds me, did you touch base with my "G" girl to let her know of my return? Frankly, I have a hunch that she has not been working much lately, just a sixth sense.

It's a shame that our friend was treated with such disrespect at the Harem. I hate the upsell. It is a total emotional/intellectual castration. What was the girl's name at the Harem. Not my "V" or "N" girl I hope. They are usually quite good.

You know, it occurs to me that most of my bitching about Monterrey is relatively unfounded compared to some of the recent reports that the last couple of guys have posted here about their experiences.

Frankly, my experiences are really quite good in Monterrey, and I think I have literally become quite spoiled at the relatively excellent treatment I typically receive from the girls. I know it's because many of the girls know me well now, and because they actually deliver the goods with some measure of sincere friendship as a result. And, of course, I also realize their underlying motives as well. But, I recognize that I am very fortunate to have my flock of relatively dependable options.

A couple of months away from the Oasis will have a profoundly thankful effect on one's overall "motivation." ;-)

[Porker]

No posts here in more than a week? I guess this the calm before the storm (INVASION?)!

[Round the World]

well porker, the invasion has already begun. i wish you had joined us as i was looking forward to meeting you.

i rolled into town on thursday afternoon and met carlos at obsession for lunch. not much going on there except for the inexpensive buffet. my favorita at obsession had already unfortunately retired from the biz.

afterward, carlos and i hit infinito for an early look at the dayshift. not too many new girls since the last time i was here in march. i did see a young nubile friend, p from my previous trips (an ex-friend of x) and decided to do an early evening salida with her. all went well and i satisfied my goal of having a turn with her, since all the previous trips i had never had an opportunity of "knowing" her.

afterward i sent the girl back to infy and carlos and i went to pick up mr. l and wastedgman. we hit harem which had a few nice girls, but too many male patrons dividing their attention. so we wound up, as so often happens, back at infy. here the night shift was already on. slim, hot body angry girl was there as usual.

i also noticed a girl i had never seen before, sammy. very pretty face, maybe 5-10lb more than i usually like them. but i took her up anyway. workmanlike effort. nothing extraordinary. back downstairs we sat and continued to talk. for kicks i tried to negotiate for her to come to my hotel the next day before her work shift for a few hours. but in the end she wanted more (1500p) than i was willing to pay (1000p).

while at infy, wasted and mr. l received warm welcomes from many girls and waiters as usual. in fact, the waiters kicked out some poor dudes to make room at wasted's usual table. wasted took a few lucky gals upstairs, but i forget whom.

eventually w and l wanted to call it a night and i walked back with them to the pda. but after dropping them off i decided to take a peek at matehuala before going home to the sheraton. inside matehuala there wasn't much to brag about, but there was one girl dancing on stage to a large ecstatic crowd of guys. i squeezed up to the bar to see what the action was all about and was amazed at some of the best bar dancing i'd seen there. this girl really knew how to work the stage and worked up the guys. part of the routine involved taking a lit cigarette from a customer and inserting in her nether orifice. i couldn't see puffs of smoke coming out, but perhaps there were. anyhow her name was claudia and i took her downstairs right afterward. her downstairs performance was as amazing as her upstairs one. it was great considering it was now 4am and this was my third session and i was very tired.


day two of the invasion started with lunch at prestige. hot young redhead, ambar was there. i wasted several copas on her to find out that contrary to popular belief, she wasn't willing to go on a salida. apparently there was the dreaded boyfriend issue.

throughout the days we would checkout givenchy and or el cielo, but there was never any reason to stay beyond a minute or two.

so back to infinito it was. the goal being to recruit girls for an after-day-shift excursion to that infamous night club taboo. i had been hoping to pickup the same girl p, but unfortunately some damn gringo was monopolizing here and ended up taking her on salida... pinche gringos! luckily wasted worked his magic and lined up 3 girls to join us after work. in the meantime, an mty newbie joined us as we were leaving infy. unfrotunately i think we didn't give him enough time at infy before we dragged him to taboo which is admittedly not for all tastes.

nevertheless a great time was had at taboo. the great thing about taking out working girls to a fun environment is that they just become fun-loving girls. no more professionalism, no more bargaining, etc. just a good time and no expectations. had fun dancing and grabbing the asses of the resident taboo stripper and our dates. sadly, i had a early morning plane to catch so i had to cut the night short.

i'll leave the rest of the reporting to the remaining invasion crew, uno, wasted, mr. l, porker, carlos etc. hope you fill in the details of all the fun i am missing.

let's plan to do this again soon.

[Porker]

RTW, glad you had a good time. Will be going to MTY tomorrow to meet up with USB (and Carlos???) for lunch. Where will we be dining? The "O" place or the "P" place?

[MonterreyDude]

let me clear one thing up: taboo is not a strip club per se.
taboo is a "free for all" type disco, otherwise known as a gay club.



well porker, the invasion has already begun. i wish you had joined us as i was looking forward to meeting you.

i rolled into town on thursday afternoon and met carlos at obsession for lunch. not much going on there except for the inexpensive buffet. my favorita at obsession had already unfortunately retired from the biz.

afterward, carlos and i hit infinito for an early look at the dayshift. not too many new girls since the last time i was here in march. i did see a young nubile friend, p from my previous trips (an ex-friend of x) and decided to do an early evening salida with her. all went well and i satisfied my goal of having a turn with her, since all the previous trips i had never had an opportunity of "knowing" her.

afterward i sent the girl back to infy and carlos and i went to pick up mr. l and wastedgman. we hit harem which had a few nice girls, but too many male patrons dividing their attention. so we wound up, as so often happens, back at infy. here the night shift was already on. slim, hot body angry girl was there as usual.

i also noticed a girl i had never seen before, sammy. very pretty face, maybe 5-10lb more than i usually like them. but i took her up anyway. workmanlike effort. nothing extraordinary. back downstairs we sat and continued to talk. for kicks i tried to negotiate for her to come to my hotel the next day before her work shift for a few hours. but in the end she wanted more (1500p) than i was willing to pay (1000p).

while at infy, wasted and mr. l received warm welcomes from many girls and waiters as usual. in fact, the waiters kicked out some poor dudes to make room at wasted's usual table. wasted took a few lucky gals upstairs, but i forget whom.

eventually w and l wanted to call it a night and i walked back with them to the pda. but after dropping them off i decided to take a peek at matehuala before going home to the sheraton. inside matehuala there wasn't much to brag about, but there was one girl dancing on stage to a large ecstatic crowd of guys. i squeezed up to the bar to see what the action was all about and was amazed at some of the best bar dancing i'd seen there. this girl really knew how to work the stage and worked up the guys. part of the routine involved taking a lit cigarette from a customer and inserting in her nether orifice. i couldn't see puffs of smoke coming out, but perhaps there were. anyhow her name was claudia and i took her downstairs right afterward. her downstairs performance was as amazing as her upstairs one. it was great considering it was now 4am and this was my third session and i was very tired.


day two of the invasion started with lunch at prestige. hot young redhead, ambar was there. i wasted several copas on her to find out that contrary to popular belief, she wasn't willing to go on a salida. apparently there was the dreaded boyfriend issue.

throughout the days we would checkout givenchy and or el cielo, but there was never any reason to stay beyond a minute or two.

so back to infinito it was. the goal being to recruit girls for an after-day-shift excursion to that infamous night club taboo. i had been hoping to pickup the same girl p, but unfortunately some damn gringo was monopolizing here and ended up taking her on salida... pinche gringos! luckily wasted worked his magic and lined up 3 girls to join us after work. in the meantime, an mty newbie joined us as we were leaving infy. unfrotunately i think we didn't give him enough time at infy before we dragged him to taboo which is admittedly not for all tastes.

nevertheless a great time was had at taboo. the great thing about taking out working girls to a fun environment is that they just become fun-loving girls. no more professionalism, no more bargaining, etc. just a good time and no expectations. had fun dancing and grabbing the asses of the resident taboo stripper and our dates. sadly, i had a early morning plane to catch so i had to cut the night short.

i'll leave the rest of the reporting to the remaining invasion crew, uno, wasted, mr. l, porker, carlos etc. hope you fill in the details of all the fun i am missing.

let's plan to do this again soon.

[Round the World]

Day 2 &3 of the invasion have passed and not a single report?

Et tu, UnospongeBob?

Don't leave those of us playing along at home in Sex Prison high and dry...

[Member #3453]

Hola RTW,

I've been in town since Saturday night, and not bar fined one single girl. I am going celebate...huhhhh??? :-0

Glad you had a good time in MTY RTW. Maybe I will catch you on the next trip.

Porker, I think we will probably go to Obsession because the newbie to MTY, Mr. "R," has not been there yet, and his flight leaves today around 4pm. So, time permitting, and if we aren't too early in getting to Obession, it will be his last opportunity to take it in. My concern is that if we get over there as early as 12:30-1pm, it may literally be too early, as in "no girls." So, we'll have to see how it goes.

Porker, if you get in to MTY around 1:30-2pm, I should be at Obsession. Of course, the plans are all tenetative because I haven't discussed it with Carlos, and there may be some pressing issues at Prestige that force us over there. But, whatever, we can do both clubs if necessary. I will be meeting you at Obsession unless you hear otherwise. You have my Mexico cell number.

I had a relatively slow first night in town. I was quite tired from all the travel and from a mixup with respect to my luggage, which delayed me getting in and getting situated at my hotel for at least a couple of hours.

I arrived at Infinito around 9pm, and found the guys, made a face to face acquaintance with the newbie to MTY, Mr. R, and also met a new resident Gringo to Monterrey, Mr. Q. I did some privados with my "G" girl, then made the rounds at Tangalay, Pasarelas, El Cielo, and Harem. With the exception of my "G" girl, there really weren't any girls that particularly motivated me to bar fine anyone because the day's travels had pretty much worn me out.

I've started to take some interest in visiting Tangalay lately because it's not a bar that I frequent, and lately, there seems to be a number of girls in there that occassionally meet my quality standards. So, after having some fun with my "G" girl at Infinito, I decided to go over to Tangalay to see what was cookin' over there.

A girl caught my eye at Tangalay, and I took her in the privados. She did not do much of anything but dance. She was reluctant to get too physical in almost every way. I remember thinking that maybe if I throw money at the situation, she will loosen up. I think I spent 200 pesos on her in an effort to see if she would loosen up, but nada. I discovered that she does not do salidas, so I just decided to cut my losses and turn her loose.

I decided to move on to El Cielo, and when I first walked in, I saw a new girl on stage, a petite little thing. I had not been in the club more than 15 seconds when I walked up the stage during presentation, waived off the waiter that was hovering over me, asking if I wanted something to drink, and wisked her upstairs to the privado booth.

I stayed in the privados with her for a while, maybe spending around 250 pesos. She seemed like she was getting pretty hot and bothered in the privado booth, but again, when I quized her further, I determined that she does not do salidas. So, I just decided again that I was throwing good money after bad by keeping her in there. So, I opted out after about 5 dances.

I left El Cielo and went directly to Pasarelas. There were a lot of guys in Pasarelas, and almost all the girls were occupied, and there were a lot of girls there too. So, I just sat patiently, not really seeing anything that I just had to have, nothing that I particularly wanted to wait for. I sat there for a while and decided that I would visit Harem next.

I arrived at Harem around 1:30am, I remember thinking that for a Saturday night, it was pretty slow in there, not a lot of girls, plenty of room to sit against the wall on the plush couch area. That is something that is not characteristic of Harem on a Saturday night. There also seemed to be either fewer girls in attendance, or they were all upstairs, which I theorized probably explained why the couches were vacant. I assumed their clientes were with them upstairs. But, actually, I sat there for quite a long while, and nobody came back downstairs. And, even the tables seems full of empty drinks, etc...So, it seemed pretty slow at Harem for a Saturday night. Frankly, I was shocked.

By 1:30am, I was starting to feel the tiring effects of the day's travels. Plus, I was not really finding anything that would have motivated me to pay for a salida. Plus, with my being tired, I also recognized that even if I did opt for a salida, the overall experience would have been difficult for me to enjoy given my tired condition. So, I just decided to return to the hotel for a good night's rest. I think I went back to the hotel and immediately to sleep Saturday night around 2:30am.

But, here are my conclusions about Saturday nights in Monterrey. And, these are not carved in stone, but they illustrate why I do not particulary like the prospects in MTY on Friday or Saturday night. There are always exceptions, and that's why you have to make the effort. But, my expectations for weekend nights turning out great are always a little lower than during the week or on Sunday.

There are many more girls in the clubs, many good looking girls, many girls you would love to have on salida....But, many, many of them do nothing more than dance. Many of them are relatively modest in what they will permit you to do with them in the privados because they are merely opportunistic girls seizing on the opportunity to make a quick buck with little or no eye to future marketing considerations.

Plus, there are also so many more guys to compete with for their attentions on weekend nights that they have no urgency to turn on the charm to keep you interested. Once they finish with one guy, they are on to the next with little or no effort being required on their part. Many of them will not even let you touch them the way you could expect to fondle one of the regulars in the privados.

The girls that work the clubs during the week are full timers, pros...they know that they have to give more in order to stay in business. But, on Friday and Saturday nights, the amateurish part-timers come out to make money, and they are only there to tease you long enough to get you to part with your money in the privados. They will dance for you, but if you start to get into some serious fondling action with them, they are much more reluctant than the committed full-timers.

That is why Friday and Saturday nights are so deceiving. On the surface, it seems there is a greater selection, new girls, younger girls, better girls....But, in reality, unless you have yourself already established with a regular girlfriend that is willing to service you on salida on Friday or Saturday night, foregoing opportunity at making more money in the privados than on salida, you stand a good chance of coming away from the clubs with blue balls.

Having recognized this issue, I usually resolve myself to Friday and Saturday nights being relatively celebate nights, and only good for in-club entertainment. I usually reserve my salidas for weekdays for these reasons, and I generally dumb down my expectations for weekend nights.

This weekend was no exception...and once again, my theories proved valid.

Next report...What I did Sunday night. Spent too much money, but had a lot of fun, but no salidas....details to follow later.






Day 2 &3 of the invasion have passed and not a single report?

Et tu, UnospongeBob?

Don't leave those of us playing along at home in Sex Prison high and dry...

[Round the World]

No bar fines yet? Does that mean you've been dry the whole time or you've been spending the whole time with your Angel Girl?

Also that's gotta be your shortest post in a long time... very suspicious

[Member #3453]

No, no time spent with my Angel Girl yet. Other than numerous privados with her on Saturday night...she was busy Sunday, her day off, busy today too....Maybe available later in the week.

You see, my angel girl lives too damned far from MTY...like two hours or more. So, when she is off, it's very hard to coordinate with her to meet me because she has to have a babysitter, etc...

At first, her excuses bothered me a little, then I started to apply the same constraints to my own legitimate life back home, day in and day out, and how difficult that kind of commute really is. I concluded that if she could be here, she would. But, life has so many other responsibilities and difficulties that are beyond our control. Bar girls are no different. Probably worse actually.

Imagine it, having to comute two hours each way to work, and to have to also commute the same boring drive to see me on her day off, and sometimes on work days too before going into work. I have reasoned that if I were in her shoes, I would absolutely need that time off for taking care of other "stuff."

So, as Carlos and MJ have both advised me recently, I have decided to back off from being so damned demanding of her, and instead I choose to play the field of other options, preferring to spend as much time with my Angel Girl as possible, but also realizing that the realities of life, especially the screwed up life of an Infinito bar girl, weigh-in to the overall dynamic with little or no mercy.

But, no problem, as I have adopted a different approach on this trip, choosing to scope out new talent. So, if and when my Angel Girl is available, I prefer her company. I have no doubt she will make the effort to be with me, but that she is drained physically trying to do it with ease. So, otherwise, I am playing the field just as I vowed I would do a couple of months ago when I responded to both Carlos' and MJ's recommendations.

The last post was very short by USB standards because I have to get going over to Obsession, to the buffet. I had a great, fun time on Saturday night. Time with my old flame, the notorious, Cindy #1. I spent way too much money on drinks for Cindy #1, but she was a lot of fun. The most fun I have had in the clubs in a long time. Maybe that is what I need to do more of, to loosen up with my spending, to have fun in the clubs, and to make sure I am having a lot of fun regardless of salida action.

I can sense Carlos cringing as he is reading this part of my post, cringing at the thought that I am seeing Cindy #1 AGAIN!!!!, hahahah. :-))))) But, my expectations are less these days, and I think that if she is the catalyst in my having fun in the clubs, then perhaps that's the best medicine for my otherwise critical attitude that seems to occupy my thoughts about MTY lately. My emotions for Cindy #1 are totally in check at this stage of our "relationship." But, I am having fun again, which is where I want to be with that relationship, and with my time in MTY.

But, hang in there RTW, I have much more to report from my exploits on Saturday night. And, I need more time to embellish the report with all kinds of meaningless drivel, and exaggerated emotion. :-)


No bar fines yet? Does that mean you've been dry the whole time or you've been spending the whole time with your Angel Girl?

Also that's gotta be your shortest post in a long time... very suspicious

[El Cabron 007]

Now there you have it. Being with the girls after hours is an entirely different experience than being with them in the club or on a salida. I agree with you RTW. Lotta fun. What puzzles me is how they can continue to dance all night after they just got off work dancing all day.

Yes Carlos, Taboo is a fun for all. Notice the 'all' in there. I still want to drag you into one of these clubs one day. You look for gays and I will look at the lesbians :-)

USB, I say you hit el infi and continue to work on "V" girl. She's worth the trouble so long as you keep it strictly business. You know what I mean. But if you can stretch it beyond that, power to you. Remember, she's a pro with braces. But did you notice how other girls would not set with you saying you are "G" girl's man? You need to break that spell and establish a working relationship with the others like we discussed Sunday. (Sorry could not wake up early enough. We were knocked out).

You did not see me when 10 girls sat with me once at el infi. They gave me the biggest headache of my life and I ended up kicking, with my foot, my "X" girl out because she caused trouble. The other girls were cheerful because they know I favored her. I still do. But now that she's gone (married), I am back to my previous girls realizing why I liked them in the 1st place and trying out new ones. It even happened that my china girl was working at el infi that same night and joined the troops. Anyone ever hear a china girl mown in Spanish? I was setting at the 1st table as you enter the club. Do you think anyone noticed?

I miss my ‘X’. She marked the spot. I especially liked the fact that she called me at the hotel on Friday 2 hours before her wedding to say hello. … I know I will get her back…. I think I love her … NOT. I will always remember her when I hear Borat ... NOT. She laughed so hard at the theater watching that movie and would not stop saying “NOT” for 2 months straight. …. NOT. Right RTW?

Oh yeah, “El Infi” is what the girls call Infinito club. I, and some Taxi drivers, call it InfiERnito (little hell)

Once last note: Girls do, as a matter of fact, expect to be treated as friends and not as strippers when we take them out to those places such as Taboo or ArcoIris, or any other place outside the club. Even "X" girl, as naughty as she is, expected us to behave. And we do ... all while she is kissing a girl she just met only to bring her back with us to my hotel room to make out with. Go figure.

Wasted.







So back to Infinito it was. The goal being to recruit girls for an after-day-shift excursion to that infamous night club Taboo. I had been hoping to pickup the same girl P, but unfortunately some damn gringo was monopolizing here and ended up taking her on salida... Pinche gringos! Luckily Wasted worked his magic and lined up 3 girls to join us after work. In the meantime, an MTY newbie joined us as we were leaving Infy. Unfrotunately I think we didn't give him enough time at Infy before we dragged him to Taboo which is admittedly not for all tastes.

Nevertheless a great time was had at Taboo. The great thing about taking out working girls to a fun environment is that they just become fun-loving girls. No more professionalism, no more bargaining, etc. Just a good time and no expectations. Had fun dancing and grabbing the asses of the resident Taboo stripper and our dates. Sadly, I had a early morning plane to catch so I had to cut the night short.

[Member #3453]

Yeah, I find that very curious that all the girls seem to know that "Angel Girl" is "my" girl. But, the really interesting part of that is that I NEVER, EVER bar fined her from El Infinito, except one time, over two years ago, before anyone ever knew she even existed.

Until recently, we always have met discretely, with no public display evident to the rest of the girls with respect to my being interested in her, I have not bar fined her, never paying for a salida, and none of the girls ever witnessed my interest in her, other than to talk to her occassionally on the floor, or to take her into the privados, where I usually do nothing more than talk to her and patronize her for her financial benefit, usually to the tune of less than 5-6 dances per night if that many. Initially, before I started to see her exclusively, I bet we did not have but about three privados before she started to turn on the charm and indicate a desire to see me outside the club.

It's simple..."Angel Girl" has told all the girls that I am hers. "Angel Girl" has informed all the girls that I am legitimately hers, a novio, per se, which I accepted all along, and something that I decided was in my best interest when comparing relative GFE performance to other candidates at El Infinito.

But, I had never, prior to it being known in the club as public knowledge among all the girls, placed any dibs on her as being my exclusive girl. This came directly from Angel Girl, and was decreed amongst the other bar girls so she could see me exclusively, austensibly because I "mean so much to her"...maybe NOT, maybe, who knows...I like to think so, but I am not so naive to also believe uncategorically that it's true. I simply like her brand of GFE, a brand of GFE that's otherwise lacking from 90% of the girls in those clubs of Monterrey.

She keeps pushing the exclusivity angle, and I have foolishly bought into it because of her apparent, possibly manipulative, and potentially insincere, attempts to monopolize me as a client, novio, whatever...frankly, I don't get it. Perhaps it's because I patronize her in the privados...I guess that could have some intrinsic monetary value...5-6 dances every month or two...and seeing me outside the club for 500 pesos, when I pay for it...NOT!!!!!

But, when I start to think about why she would do it, and I consider the money side of the equation, it does not make sense. How does a girl profit from establishing an exclusive situation when there is little or NO money involved in our relationship outside the club.

But, guys, frankly, because "Angel Girl" is making less and less of an effort lately, I believe she takes my loyalty for granted, just as Carlos and MJ warned me would happen, an eventuality that I also expected to happen. My affections for her have always been 100% legitimate, and I show her in so many ways.

But, she has been full of excuses lately, and seemingly less attentive. Perhaps we have been married too long, and "necesito devorsiarme." For example, she has the time to attend Taboo with mis amigos, until 4am after work, but she doesn't have the time to go with me after work, or to allocate time for a guy that has more or less given her exclusive rights to his business in the club. She is blowing it. The tide is going to turn very shortly, and girls like "V" and many others will have their opportunity very soon if things continue to go this direction.

You see, up to now, I was perfectly willing to bestow exclusivity with a girl that reciprocates her attentions to the extent that Angel Girl committed herself in the past. As I have always claimed, I am giving her my undivided attention because she gives me what I like, great GFE. But, I have always said that I expected this circumstance to develop in time, and that if she were not very intellegent, and also quite disciplined, she would eventually forfeit her exclusivity rights.

We are at that juncture, especially after having made the effort she made to attend Taboo until 4am, dance all night long, and simultaneously give me excuses that she has to rest at home on her days off, and otherwise blow me off, even after I make the effort to come back to Monterrey to get some GFE from her exclusively, all the while, as she is giving me excuses, asking me to please "understand why she can't be here or there."

Listen, I may be cautious in El Infinito, mainly because I have already been through this sceario with "ANGRY GIRL," and I don't want a reoccurence with "Angel Girl." If I can salvage the Angel Girl scenario, then that IS my goal, not because I am in love with her, but because I am in love with her GFE. There is a big difference.

To illustrate my point, I have spent the last two nights in Pasarelas cultivating some new relationships, one of which I bar fined last night. This girl is actually much hotter than my Angel Girl, and her GFE ain't too bad. But, the cost is through the roof. I will go into more detail later on when I generate the emotionally heart wrenching details, and after I embellish the report with so much meaningless drivel.

I now have no less than 6 girls in Pasarelas, all of them superior to my Angel Girl with respect to looks, but perhaps not with respect to GFE potential, girls I have been cultivating now for several months. But, I do so, limiting my activities to clubs other than Infinito, so as to find new girls in clubs other than Infinito in order to maintain my relationship with my Angel Girl in Infinito.

However, if Angel Girl is choosing to dump the exclusivity arrangement, and she isn't interested in delivering GFE, instead taking my attentions and my loyalty to her, my sincere emotional loyalty, for granted, then I have a plethera of other girls lined up, girls that until last night, I held in reserve with respect to salida action.

Literally, I am scheduled to see two girls today and tonight. One from El Cielo, and one new one from Pasarelas. I also have a girl on the night shift at El Infinito, but I have been reluctant to feed the rumor mill there so I've been relatively careful, seeing her in the privados, and once bar fining her when she was on loan to Givenchy last month.

So, Angel Girl has some decisions to make. If she doesn't start to make an effort at being available, at least the same amount of effort that she willingly made with mis amigos on her visit to Taboo just last week, I will have to make decisions that will break both our hearts...at least it will break my own heart, literally due to forfeiting what has probably been the best GFE girl, the one closest to "acting" like a real girl friend, that I have ever met.



Now there you have it. Being with the girls after hours is an entirely different experience than being with them in the club or on a salida. I agree with you RTW. Lotta fun. What puzzles me is how they can continue to dance all night after they just got off work dancing all day.

Yes Carlos, Taboo is a fun for all. Notice the 'all' in there. I still want to drag you into one of these clubs one day. You look for gays and I will look at the lesbians :-)

USB, I say you hit el infi and continue to work on "V" girl. She's worth the trouble so long as you keep it strictly business. You know what I mean. But if you can stretch it beyond that, power to you. Remember, she's a pro with braces. But did you notice how other girls would not set with you saying you are "G" girl's man? You need to break that spell and establish a working relationship with the others like we discussed Sunday. (Sorry could not wake up early enough. We were knocked out).

You did not see me when 10 girls sat with me once at el infi. They gave me the biggest headache of my life and I ended up kicking, with my foot, my "X" girl out because she caused trouble. The other girls were cheerful because they know I favored her. I still do. But now that she's gone (married), I am back to my previous girls realizing why I liked them in the 1st place and trying out new ones. It even happened that my china girl was working at el infi that same night and joined the troops. Anyone ever hear a china girl mown in Spanish? I was setting at the 1st table as you enter the club. Do you think anyone noticed?

I miss my ‘X’. She marked the spot. I especially liked the fact that she called me at the hotel on Friday 2 hours before her wedding to say hello. … I know I will get her back…. I think I love her … NOT. I will always remember her when I hear Borat ... NOT. She laughed so hard at the theater watching that movie and would not stop saying “NOT” for 2 months straight. …. NOT. Right RTW?

Oh yeah, “El Infi” is what the girls call Infinito club. I, and some Taxi drivers, call it InfiERnito (little hell)

Once last note: Girls do, as a matter of fact, expect to be treated as friends and not as strippers when we take them out to those places such as Taboo or ArcoIris, or any other place outside the club. Even "X" girl, as naughty as she is, expected us to behave. And we do ... all while she is kissing a girl she just met only to bring her back with us to my hotel room to make out with. Go figure.

Wasted.

[El Cabron 007]

USB, hold on a minute. Look both ways before you cross.

Don't blow it away and don't rush. If I were you, here's what I would do at el infi: Hang out there when and however long I want. Talk and do the G girl while keeping my options. Will talk to the girls while G is with me or not to show that I, too, have options and am acting on them. Not to prove a point or anything. By that, I would have established my new playgrounds and will move on. Nothing more, nothing less. If G is available at the moment, I'll take her. If not, take the next girl. Take V girl. She'll make her jealous. But that's not the point.

What I'm saying, my friend, is not to blow G away punishing her for whatever she's doing. Just expand your playground and enjoy what you can get from her, or any other girl. Let them fight for you and not the other way around.

OK. Back to your other comments. How do girls know you're G's property? Come on USB. What else do girls do but talk about their experiences? They even tell the waiters. Yes, not only do the girls know. The entire club knows. And don't be surprised if the customers knew too.

And what do you think it would look like when you go to el infi and only privado your G girl? You do not call that exclusivity? Other girls will report what they see in the privados. Yes, they will come down and up the stage to tell all about it. Carlos and 'what's her name' are in privados. Wasted and X are doing it, USB and G are ... hmmm .. talking? Yes, it only takes less than a minute to spread the news. Faster than AP, or Reuters, can deliver.

No, it is not that simple. G did not tell anyone that you are hers. YOU told everyone that you are hers. Your actions re-affirm. I once wanted to pull a girl from the line-up when my other girls stopped me saying "no, she's Carlos' girl". G pushes the exclusive angle on you, and only on you, not on the girls. You push it on the girls when you exclusively privado her when she's there. And for how long? 8 dances at a time.

What I’m trying to say, USB, is that you have given her control over you while it should be you in control. You are, again, confirming this when you say "Angel Girl has some decisions to make". It is you who needs to decide and your decision 'must' be to play the field as you claim. I know you are a player. But you must play and not be played. No?

Don't rush. Don't blow away a beautiful thing. Treasure what you have and .. some other nice stuff like that ...

I am now in the middle of the same with "P" girl. She now shows extreme jealousy when I talk to, or even talk about, other girls. She sent me a romantic SMS while we were in the same room. The poor thing wanted to show it to me after I did not acknowledge it only to see that another girl, Lady J, has sent me another SMS saying she will spend Sunday with me. I keep her under control and keep her expectations in check. Lat thing I need is another Dreadvany, right Carlos?

Does this all make any sense to anyone? It's all about control. Carlos lost his voice and blew his head off repeating those words to us. Damm, now I'm making Carlos sound like our teacher .. :-) ... I guess we can give him that much. Afterall, he is the ring leader, is he not?

Just rmember those words when you are talking to any girl no matter how lovely (English) she is: El Arte del Engaño

El arte del engaño resulto ser tu mejor don,
y no digas que no, lo conoces a la perfección,
conocí que es el perdon en nombre de un tal amor,
pero la traicion fue la flecha que atraveso mi corazón.

HAy dolor, ay rencor y sentimientos encontrados,
Hay deseos de morir por no tenerte a mi lado,
pero ya no importa nada, el pasado quedo atras
y asi como llegaste ahora mismo te me vas.

Jamas te di la espalda y eso no puedes negarlo,
jamas te traicione y nunca quice hacerte daño,
pasaran los años seguiras en mi memoria,
pues tu has sido la unica en llevarme hasta la gloria.

Todo se derrumbo dentro de mi, dentro de mi,
(he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo)
de humo fue tu amor y de papel, y de papel
(he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo)
mira mis sueños como se queman,
mira mis lagrimas como no sesan por ti.

Y ya te habias tardado en inyectarme tu veneno,
he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo,
pero solo quiero y pido, seguir estando vivo,
para verte darte cuenta del error que has cometido.

Cuanto tuve entre mis mano, te lo di sin interes,
pero nunca fue suficiente por mas que lo intente,
demostre que era primero el sentimiento, no el dinero,
y si algo nos llebamos ha de ser lo mas sincero,

Se que no fui bueno demostrando sentimientos,
pero siempre he sido rudo, frio, duro como el hielo,
me hundiste en el infierno y la verdad no me arrepiento,
por que se bien que te ame hasta el ultimo momento.

Todo se derrumbo dentro de mi, dentro de mi,
(he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo)
de humo fue tu amor y de papel, y de papel
(he caido de tu cielo y no he chocado con el suelo)
mira mis sueños como se queman,
mira mis lagrimas como no sesan por ti.
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Damm, I am so romantic.


Wasted


Yeah, I find that very curious that all the girls seem to know that "Angel Girl" is "my" girl. But, the really interesting part of that is that I NEVER, EVER bar fined her from El Infinito, except one time, over two years ago, before anyone ever knew she even existed.

Until recently, we always have met discretely, with no public display evident to the rest of the girls with respect to my being interested in her, I have not bar fined her, never paying for a salida, and none of the girls ever witnessed my interest in her, other than to talk to her occassionally on the floor, or to take her into the privados, where I usually do nothing more than talk to her and patronize her for her financial benefit, usually to the tune of less than 5-6 dances per night if that many. Initially, before I started to see her exclusively, I bet we did not have but about three privados before she started to turn on the charm and indicate a desire to see me outside the club.

It's simple..."Angel Girl" has told all the girls that I am hers. "Angel Girl" has informed all the girls that I am legitimately hers, a novio, per se, which I accepted all along, and something that I decided was in my best interest when comparing relative GFE performance to other candidates at El Infinito.

But, I had never, prior to it being known in the club as public knowledge among all the girls, placed any dibs on her as being my exclusive girl. This came directly from Angel Girl, and was decreed amongst the other bar girls so she could see me exclusively, austensibly because I "mean so much to her"...maybe NOT, maybe, who knows...I like to think so, but I am not so naive to also believe uncategorically that it's true. I simply like her brand of GFE, a brand of GFE that's otherwise lacking from 90% of the girls in those clubs of Monterrey.

She keeps pushing the exclusivity angle, and I have foolishly bought into it because of her apparent, possibly manipulative, and potentially insincere, attempts to monopolize me as a client, novio, whatever...frankly, I don't get it. Perhaps it's because I patronize her in the privados...I guess that could have some intrinsic monetary value...5-6 dances every month or two...and seeing me outside the club for 500 pesos, when I pay for it...NOT!!!!!

But, when I start to think about why she would do it, and I consider the money side of the equation, it does not make sense. How does a girl profit from establishing an exclusive situation when there is little or NO money involved in our relationship outside the club.

But, guys, frankly, because "Angel Girl" is making less and less of an effort lately, I believe she takes my loyalty for granted, just as Carlos and MJ warned me would happen, an eventuality that I also expected to happen. My affections for her have always been 100% legitimate, and I show her in so many ways.

But, she has been full of excuses lately, and seemingly less attentive. Perhaps we have been married too long, and "necesito devorsiarme." For example, she has the time to attend Taboo with mis amigos, until 4am after work, but she doesn't have the time to go with me after work, or to allocate time for a guy that has more or less given her exclusive rights to his business in the club. She is blowing it. The tide is going to turn very shortly, and girls like "V" and many others will have their opportunity very soon if things continue to go this direction.

You see, up to now, I was perfectly willing to bestow exclusivity with a girl that reciprocates her attentions to the extent that Angel Girl committed herself in the past. As I have always claimed, I am giving her my undivided attention because she gives me what I like, great GFE. But, I have always said that I expected this circumstance to develop in time, and that if she were not very intellegent, and also quite disciplined, she would eventually forfeit her exclusivity rights.

We are at that juncture, especially after having made the effort she made to attend Taboo until 4am, dance all night long, and simultaneously give me excuses that she has to rest at home on her days off, and otherwise blow me off, even after I make the effort to come back to Monterrey to get some GFE from her exclusively, all the while, as she is giving me excuses, asking me to please "understand why she can't be here or there."

Listen, I may be cautious in El Infinito, mainly because I have already been through this sceario with "ANGRY GIRL," and I don't want a reoccurence with "Angel Girl." If I can salvage the Angel Girl scenario, then that IS my goal, not because I am in love with her, but because I am in love with her GFE. There is a big difference.

To illustrate my point, I have spent the last two nights in Pasarelas cultivating some new relationships, one of which I bar fined last night. This girl is actually much hotter than my Angel Girl, and her GFE ain't too bad. But, the cost is through the roof. I will go into more detail later on when I generate the emotionally heart wrenching details, and after I embellish the report with so much meaningless drivel.

I now have no less than 6 girls in Pasarelas, all of them superior to my Angel Girl with respect to looks, but perhaps not with respect to GFE potential, girls I have been cultivating now for several months. But, I do so, limiting my activities to clubs other than Infinito, so as to find new girls in clubs other than Infinito in order to maintain my relationship with my Angel Girl in Infinito.

However, if Angel Girl is choosing to dump the exclusivity arrangement, and she isn't interested in delivering GFE, instead taking my attentions and my loyalty to her, my sincere emotional loyalty, for granted, then I have a plethera of other girls lined up, girls that until last night, I held in reserve with respect to salida action.

Literally, I am scheduled to see two girls today and tonight. One from El Cielo, and one new one from Pasarelas. I also have a girl on the night shift at El Infinito, but I have been reluctant to feed the rumor mill there so I've been relatively careful, seeing her in the privados, and once bar fining her when she was on loan to Givenchy last month.

So, Angel Girl has some decisions to make. If she doesn't start to make an effort at being available, at least the same amount of effort that she willingly made with mis amigos on her visit to Taboo just last week, I will have to make decisions that will break both our hearts...at least it will break my own heart, literally due to forfeiting what has probably been the best GFE girl, the one closest to "acting" like a real girl friend, that I have ever met.

[Round the World]

Aha, Wasted, so P has her hooks out on you? I kinda got that feeling on Friday night. She seemed dedicated to you and only you. She was a bit reserved around the rest of us even though she was clearly and extremely drunk. Well it must tiring to be so charming and magnetic, eh? ;)

You'll just have to bang a whole slew of new girls with her at the bedside in your room at the PDA to cure her. Although, I think I half convinced Mr. L that we should move the party to the Sheraton next time. Between us I think we have enough points to get a sufficient number of suites for a party royale. No more crappy ac or stuck toilets! Let's bring the joy girls of Infi to the club level of the Sheraton!


RtW

[Member #3453]

All of your points are well taken, and strategies that I fully agree with. IMHO, these strategy discussions are much more beneficial to the mongering hords than play by play reports about how many times we may have cum, or cum splashed reports about how hot this or that particular girl is.

The point though is that for quite a while the exclusivity angle was working to my advantage, totally to my satisfaction level. Point is, the exclusivity was based on a long past history of getting GFE from one girl in particular that far surpassed anything else I had every experienced.

It is no different than WastedG's "X" girl having that certain something about her that makes him want to select her. He may have played the field, and played the strategy differently than mine, but my strategy worked for me well enough for many months that I was pretty happy with it.

I did not want other girls because they simply did not compare when it came down to satisfaction level. It's no different than choosing your favorite barber, or your favorite car wash, or your favorite clothing brand, or your favorite anything. We all patronize the services that satisfy us the most, and we are generally not comparatively satisfied if we deviate to some other alternative that simply isn't up to our expectations.

It just so happens that WastedG has a couple of girls he likes, primarily it seems, "X' and "P", maybe "S" as a second string. So, exclusivity, while not outwardly being stated in so many words, exclusivity is still very much in play, and understandably so because of performance. But, in a wider sense, it is in play because WastedG and his minions limit themselve quite a bit to only one club, El Infinito.

There are good reasons to make El Infinito a primary hunting ground, but there are many more options that WastedG and his minions have totally overlooked in MTY. I understand why. The other places, most of them are more expensive. But, how does that differ with respect to my making exclusivity decisions based also on ultimate cost and satisfaction level?

But, when WastedG says he will sorely miss his "X" girl because of her recent marriage, I believe he loves her brand of performance, and I am not under any illusions that he has fallen in love with a hooker in the strictest sense. Do I think he loves her "game"? YES

But, for some reason, when I articulate that I am pleased with my selections, it is immediately construed that I have fallen hopelessly and madly in love with a hooker, that I have some kind of expectation for a future with her, that I am planning to settle down with her, etc...

Nothing could be further from the truth. I am happily married, and totally committed to my family and my wife. My extra marital acitivies are just that, and would never replace my circumstances at home...I would simply never consider such a thing, nor do I desire it. Do I care about the girls? Sure, I care about them as people, as friends, as providers that to a varying degree, give of themselves more fully, some more than others.

Angel Girl gives to me without restriction, even to this day when we finally do hook up, and she holds the favored position with me, but I have always told her that there will never be any legitimization of our relationship. So, from the very beginning, she understood the level of my real commitments. The way I articulated my commitments to her was to say that I prefer to be with her. But, if her availability fades, then she will certainly not be surprised if I look elsewhere.

If that be her preference, then the search has already started. Actually, it never stopped. It had stopped within the confines of El Infinito out of a preference for her, and because of my preference to patronize her, but my search never stopped in the other clubs (ie: 6 girls in Pasarelas, 2 in Harem, 2 in Givenchy, not to mention all the girls on the night shift in El Infinito, and even a few on the afternoon shift that I take into the privados when my Angel Girl is not working.

I am routinely accused of being in love with my Angel Girl, and with other girls that I report on with respect to my fondness for them...Many are missing the point. I am in love with the GFE. That is my motivation. When the GFE is lacking, I barely miss a beat at getting right back into the swing of bar fining whomever I choose, just as I did last night with a new girl from the Infinito night shift. The GFE from this new girl was not really to my liking, not to the comparitively superior standard provided by my Angel Girl in the past, nor does my Angel Girl lack anything even now with respect to her delivery of GFE for me.

It is now a matter of her availability, not a matter of her failure to deliver. I still do believe that when my Angel Girl is with me, the chemistry exists that provides me superior GFE, even now. I believe that the chemistry between us is not a lie...

But, lie or not, it doesn't really matter because while we are together, the effects of her GFE are satisfying to me. It seems that regardless of her broken promises, she is still "in the moment," sufficiently motivated, and with apparently sufficient sincerity with respect to her attraction to me, to seemingly crave the BFE as much as I enjoy the GFE, something that acts as a real catalyst to GFE. The bottom line is the quality of experience.

For many months, I have recipricated by seeking her out exclusively for GFE. Now that availability is becoming and issue, and opportunity is becoming an aggravation, I am falling right back into mongering lock step. I am right along with you guys, right in there...

It has been effortless for me to bar fine girls waiting in the wings within EL Infinito this week. I haven't missed a beat really. During the night shift, I have literally no less than probably four girls that are standing in line. I bar fined two new girls so far this week, one last night, and one from Pasarelas the night before.

I turned down another of them last night in Infinito that I would have actually preferred to take on salida, but unfortunately I had already arranged the bar fine with the other one. The one I took last night agreed to go for the cost of the bar fine, the 350 pesos to the bar, plus her own end, 800 pesos for 3 hours, 1-1/2 hours more than the bar authorizes her to stay out.!!! And, she kept her word and stayed the entire time.

Now, was her GFE up to the standard of my Angel Girl??? NOT EVEN CLOSE! But, I keep looking for girls that I at least enjoy. I enjoyed last night's salida girl, but I won't bar fine here again because I am literally spoiled. I will contine to look for the better GFE experience.

I have another girl that I am cultivating within El Infinito that delivered a mediocre experience with respect to GFE last month, our first bar fine, the girl from Givenchy, the one with the hairs in her food when we went to El Al Restaurant. Well, her performance, in all fairness, her GFE, was actually slightly better than mediocre. And, last night, her reaction to seeing me again was to beg me to wait for her while she had to go upstairs to do a privado so we could leave together on salida.

She did not realize that I was waiting for the other girl that I had already bar fined to come down after changing her clothes to leave with me. So, when she comes down from the privados, she will realize that she needs to work to keep me. If she delivers GFE to a higher standard this time, which I wholely anticipate, simply because it seems that we are growing closer following my original salida with her a month ago, then I might have found an acceptable alternative to Angel Girl. I don't think she is really capable of the depth of GFE that Angel Girl intrinsically has in her, but I am willing to give all an opportunity to outshine a sure thing in Angel Girl.

I just don't believe these other girls will accomplish with me the satisfaction level that Angel Girl has been able to achieve to date. I just don't see it in them. But, maybe this second one, the one I will possibly bar fine tonight if my Angel Girl continues to make herself unavailable, has the potential.

The real point in all this is that I am totally uneffected by Angel Girl's behaviors toward me with respect to having other options. It's just that I am not typically satisfied by patronizing the other options. I am remorseful, melancholy, and sad that the GFE is becoming more illusive from Angel Girl because I really love it. But, all along, I always realized that my situation at home made any real commitments, emotionally or otherwise, impossible, and foolish.

No...my commitments were in place as a commitment to her, that if she made herself available, and provided my brand of GFE, I would exclusively patronize her. The quality of GFE was never an issue up to now. That circumstance, the opportunity, is not presenting itself like it once did, so at this juncture, I agree with all you guys that I have nothing to lose by breaking the agreement between Angel Girl and me. But, were she making herself available, I would crave no other.

I agree that by my breaking our agreement, gracefully however, I may salvage some time with Angel Girl for the future, just so I can still experience a GFE that is delivered with more sincerity than what I've been able to find here in Monterrey othewise.

When I said that it is up to Angel Girl, that is exactly what I meant. If she starts to make herself available again, I will seek her out exclusively, not because I am in love with her per se, but because I am in love with her GFE, and with her mannerisms, and the way we interact. I will seek her out as long as the "thrill" lasts. In that sense, I love her because she provides something that none of these other girls has demonstrated to me, something that is very rare in MTY.

I do have some girls waiting in the wings that seem like they might come around with a little more work from me. But, so far, after five years of bar fining girls almost every day of the week I am here, a week at a time every month for five years, day in and day out, I can uncategorical report that there has been none better than Angel Girl, perhaps none better even based on my worldwide searches for GFE in foreign countries where the economic poverty is such that the girls really do fall in love with their benefactors.

And, there is one factor that everyone keeps pushing to the back burner...like it doesn't factor into the mix, and that's COST. With Angel Girl, my costs are really minimal. So with exclusivity came dirt cheap superior GFE. I mean, generally, she cost me about 500 pesos for no less than four hours at a time, and other times, as much as 1000 pesos for todo la noche, and other times, gratis. Literally, within Pasarelas, that cost is at least 5 times, and for a maximum of two hours. Within El Infi, that cost is probably three times for only 2 hours. My decisions to extend a measure of exclusivity to Angel Girl were influenced not only because I got superior sessions, but that I got them for a LOT LESS and for MUCH LONGER A TIME. It has really been a NO BRAINER!!!

[Member #3453]

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]You should write a book dude. I will be the 1st one to buy it. Call it "The Gringo Effect" or how about "I'm in love with a stripper"?

Well-said MJ, as always.

Wasted.[/QUOTE

I think somebody already wrote that book, perhaps by a slightly different title, and based mostly upon the Thai Girl scene if I'm not mistaken.

[Member #3453]

MJ said,

"To be honest, without knowing you first-hand, I think there is an element of genuine affection for the girl when you find one that you like. I think you do indeed fall for these girls and that's what makes the GFE for you- legit feelings for a chica that makes you think that she has legit feelings for you."

You just defined the ultimate GFE. Confirmed legitimized feelings have nothing to do with it because I take no action after the fact, no money, no leaving my family for a working girl, no private investigators following her around, no sponsorship with money while I am gone, no nothing...But, you are right, I am looking for the GFE. We defined GFE on the board before, but in a nutshell you have it pegged. To use another word combo, it's their "intrinsic charm" that makes them desireable to me.

"But I think you're being a bit disingenuous when you say that you only care about the service she provides you when that GFE that you crave is totally dependant on the affection and "feelings" that you have for that chica that seems to be corresponding with those feelings for you. "

I don't recall if I actually mentioned the "servicing" part of the equation with respect to GFE. I have little problem with any of them providing the "servicing" aspect. Most of them are quite capable of the mechanics, and I am generally satsified with that. I do have a problem finding those that know how to provide GFE. I am seeking chicas that are capable of the "charm" that is necessary to establish GFE. It doesn't matter to me if their feelings are legitimate or not as long as their ability to charm me is sufficient to be satisfying overall.

Most simply lack the ability to charm with any degree of believability. I am, I suppose, looking for escort quality girls, companion quality girls. They are much more available in foreign venues than in Mexico, because I have experienced their charm first hand in Asia, and Central America. It's simply that the girls of Mexico conduct themselves with little attention paid to providing GFE encounters.

The supply and demand curve here in Mexico is so disproportionate, that the girls don't feel the need to turn on the charm, instead seeing us as the recipients of their benevolent saving graces. They simply aren't motivated to provide the level of charm that rises to the level of GFE for their own financial gain. They don't need to work for our patronage because the demand far exceeds supply.

"However, the only thing that you are guilty of is that you perhaps ascribe characteristics to these chicas that they simply don't have. "Loyalty, Affectionate, Sincere feelings, Respectful" are characteristics that working chicas don't have. It's all about the game for them and when they can't see a way to win that game anymore, they just stop playing. Despite any sort of "Pretty Woman" idealism that we may have, nice women don't become hookers and the nice women that may occasionally become working girls, don't stay nice for long."

I guess it's all in how you view "respectable women." Frankly, the feminazi attitude of most "respectable women" in the US doesn't impress me when comparing them to these bar girls. As for comparing hooker quality, I would rather spend my time with a Mexican bar girl than a US call girl, and GFE is almost non-existent in the US.

All US women are out to "charm" their way to a better life. I've seen this disagreement discussed before on the boards, and there is always the camp that condemns all the working girls as coniving, low lives, and the other camp that basically says that all women are basically the same. In my opinion, "women are women." Obviously, some worse than others, just as there are bad men and good men, but each should be judged on the merits of their behavior individually. I don't say bar girls should be blindly trusted, but I don't trust them any less than I trust anybody else with respect to their self serving motivations.

All women manipulate us as men to get what they want. Just because they are hookers doesn't distinguish them from most women I know, many of which are out for themselves, and just as self serving as most bar girls I know. The only thing that distinguishes "respectable women" from hookers is that hookers are paid to leave.

Respectable women go about it in ways that have been established within our society as "respectable." Their respectable methods were established by their own gender in order to permit them to take advantage over us as men, to take advantage in ways that are acceptable to the sensibilities of women...and the feelings and needs of men be damned. This is especially true in American culture, less true in Latin culture, and almost non-existent in the Asia culture. These legitimized methods seem to legitimize their behavior making the same kinds of bar girl style coniving methodology seem more socially acceptable when practiced by respectable women. But, if you really analyze how all women use their charm to get what they want, using ways that are just as disingenous as a bar girl, there sometimes seems to be little difference in the final analysis.

"It's possible that you may find the pearl amongst the swine, but the search will drive you mad and take any joy away from mongering. Instead, have a laugh with the girls- as many as possible."

Not true...I got GFE in spades for 6 months by maintaining the illusion. The GFE would not have happened otherwise. I have received six months of regular, consistent GFE from Angel Girl. It breaks down this way...probably 40% good-mediocre experiences, 40% poor, and 20% GFE. But, you're right that it does drive me crazy looking for GFE in Mexico when it's so comparatively unavailable, but it is the only satisfaction I seek. I am not interested in routinely acceptable sessions.

"Don't be loyal to them, because they won't be loyal to you. And don't ascribe to them the same noble feelings that you may have in your heart. Then you will be free. You'll still get the GFE...and a lot more of it. You just won't have the hassle of dealing with the negative side of their personalities."

Now that the illusion may be dimming with Angel Girl, I agree with your strategy, but I do not expect to receive GFE from most of the girls I know here, and I have literally bar fined them by the hundreds over five years. Honestly, I am no longer interested in wasting my time and money on them, and my interest in mongering in Mexico deteriorates incrementally each time I experience a routine session. I have to admit that I'm growing intolerant over wasting my time and money, especially when all I can anticipate experiencing is another session of mediocre GFE-less performance. But, I try to keep a postitive attitude, hoping that I will occassionally hit on the 20% that's still out there, and they are out there. It's what keeps me going.

Mill[/QUOTE]

[Member #3453]

i don't mean to argue with your conclusions, which i believe are quite valid for you. but, my former post was to illustrate what the average gringo visitor to mexico can anticipate realistically based on my own experiences, and to report what i find even as a relatively frequent visitor to mexico, one that knows at least where to look for the vegetable patch.

and, frankly, i don't even believe that their percentages, those of average occassional visitors, will yield a success rate as high as mine, 20%, because i do have the opportunity to at least revist the venue relatively often in comparison.

i can see where it's possible for you to have better statistics than what i quoted, but for the most part, were i to apply such statistical probabilities to the average reader here, and to suggest that they might have such a rate of success, will only set them up for higher expectations and certain disappointment.

you have a huge advantage living in mexico, where you have the time, the patience, and the significantly reduced cost associated with cultivating and maintaining those gfe encounters.

this is the source of my frustration. when i find good gfe girls, i am aggravated when, after all the effort made, i lose my ability to influence them by being away from the venue. my absence contributes to their overall demise. it takes so much work to find and cultivate the best plants, that i am totally and completely frustrated when i return only to find that the skunks have dug them up, and rep001tered them to the wind.

my point in comparing mexico to other venues is that you do not need to live in those other venues in order to have the gfe encounters because the girls themselves have different attitudes right out of the box. there is no having to mold them into your preferred gfe over time. total abject poverty shapes them for us before we ever get there. those laws of short demand and a huge abundant supply make the harvest so much easier. it's amazing the effect total abject poverty has on the way in which the girls relate to their prospective benefactors from the get-go in these foreign venues, the pi, thailand, indonesia, colombia, and even costa rica and the dr.

i have no doubt that your success rates are valid mj, it's just that most of the gringos coming to mexico, probably the majority of our readers, will have a very hard road when it comes to finding our brand of gfe without considerable time being invested, myself included. we simply do not have the time on the ground, or the money to make it happen with such painstaking precision.

with respect to tossing girls aside, you're absolutely right. i first bar fined my angel girl back in 2005, and after the first time, she really didn't impress me. frankly, i thought at the time that she was relatively good in comparison, but i just sensed a hardness in her demeanor that suggested she was perhaps a little too ripe. it required a two year lapse of time for the stars to reallign, and for me to actually discover her hidden talents.

you're absolutely right, some of the girls don't exhibit evidence on the surface that they might be decent gfe candidates. and, that is where you have your advantage over most of us by living there 24/7. we simply don't have the time to divide the wheat from the chaffe with any kind of reliable methodology. and, as you so accurately pointed out too, the attitudes of the girls change as their profession spoils them by the day.

so, it's so important that you harvest them when they are ripe, not before, not when they are still green and and sour, but at just the appropriate time, before they turn to mush and/or go to seed. with your being on the ground 24/7, you can also cultivate them, keeping an eye on them constantly, perhaps even shaping them into your desired ultimate result.

the window of opportunity is very narrow, and being on the ground 24/7 provides you the opportunity to plant the seed, water, cultivate, prune, keep the vultures away, and harvest them just at the appropriate times.

the rest of us are like raccoons invading the corn patch, taking whatever is revealed as we peal away the husks, worms and all. :-)))))))))))


not true at all, my friend. i have gfe coming out my ears. my statistics are now as follows: 80% gfe and 20% regular service, but it took me time to cultivate these gfe's. you are being a bit unrealistic if you expect to come to town and get these chicas to open up to you completely just because you're a swell guy. mexicanas don't work that way.

a mexicana is like a crop; you have to plant the seeds and cultivate the land over a period of time before you can reap the harvest. you can't just plop in a seed and immediately pull out an ear of corn- even if you're the greatest farmer ever. but when you cultivate the land properly, there's no finer tasting harvest...

i just came back a few days ago from a trip to ixtapa with a club chica. we spent 4 days together on the beach and humped all day long. great, perfect gfe. but this chica started out as a cold fish that was purely a trophy fuck because she was so hot. in the beginning she was a clock-watcher, one-pop-and-out-the-door hustler. she warmed up over time and now she is the best. 4 days of humping in the sun=0 pesos. my only expenses were just the usual vacation expenses that i would've spent anyway (i.e. food, hotel, entertainment, travel).

now, if you were me, you would've tossed her aside for lacking the charm necessary for gfe and you would've lost out on a great provider. drawing on your comparison to "real" non-pro women. how many women are completely into you from the first moment they meet you? unless you're brad pitt, not many. you need to woo women over time and get them to lower their defenses- working girls are no different.

i don't mean this to sound confrontational, because it's definitely not meant in that spirit. on the contrary, you seem to be a good guy, who for the time and money invested, should be reaping much better service. it's not the chicas that won't loosen up, it's your approach. you need to be more of a bastard like carlos or wasted (kidding...sort of ;) )

[Porker]

random thoughts about monterrey bargirls:

usb's definition of gfe: girl shows up either on time (without barfine/salida fee) and/or stays the whole agreed upon time for a discount. i'm not calling you cheap or anything (compared to me, you're a whale!) but just saying, in my experience, one gets what one pays/bargains for.

what's wrong with the mty bar scene: some of the more pontificating posters here spend money in the bars like it's water through a sieve: buying multiple drinks without even coming close to touching a girl, saying she's a "friend" or spending 500 usd a day and wondering why girls are clamoring to get next to him in the bar. it's dumb for me to try to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) on anybody else's parade -- if you are having fun and it's not causing you a financial strain, well, go for it. but from a guy that's used to asian girls telling him they love him when they're making 10-15 bucks a day/night, seems to me that the mty "playas" are total fucking suckers. something that rings very hollow when they start giving other brethren advice about how they should play their hand.

usb, your "angel girl" obviously has better things to do on her day off than be with you for pocket change. my advise to you months back was to try and test her "love", and i think we all see how the test went. now the ball's in your court, as i told you the other day: either play by her rules and barfine her/up the ante, or (as others have wisely advised) -- move on!

mj, many of your posts rang true, while others ring quite hollow. you seem very jaded about your dealings with mexican bar girls. i know carlos and his perspective and know his perspective of working girls. your persepctive, though, sounds a little bitter, like you were jilted on several occasions.

i will hopefully find enough pesos between the sofa cushions to go to lunch this friday and say "bye" to usb. would be happy to pop any other mty monger's balloons while i'm there!

kidding... i really do wish you all would have the time of your lives there.

[Member #3453]

Last night, after attempting to find my Angel Girl at El Infinito, and also running a simultaneous errand for the WastedGman, I went to Pasarelas, a bar that seems to hold significant promise these days. But, before I get into that...

I had gone to El Infinito because I just wanted to touch base with my Angel Girl, test the waters, see which way the wind is blowing...and also I had to deliver love letters (a CD actually) to WastedG's "P" girl, well actually a very thoughtful and sincere CD of a song that will stir her emotions, and according to WastedG, the emotions of any Mexican girl whether she works in a bar or not. Good information to know for those of us that are engaged in seducing Mexican girls, be they pros or good girls. The song is entitled "Sadness" by Enigma, and it can stir the emotions deep in the soul of your prospective date. So take heed.

Each of these days, since Saturday, when I last saw my Angel Girl at work, I had always expected to see her at work on subsequent nights. She is off Sunday and Monday, so I didn't anticipate seeing her then because she lives so far outside of Monterrey. So, I decided that on Tuesday and Wednesday I would try to run into her at El Infinito to determine my options. She has always acted perfectly normal to me, and so I expected to find out if she was going to actually make herself available to me, or if she was just keeping me on a leash.

I have kind of become a little worked up because she does not seem to be quite as available as I would like, as you all know. But, turns out , because of the rain, she was not at work Tuesday or Wednesday night. She did not make the long bus ride in. She lives about two hours away from Monterrey, and she told me several months ago that when it rains, the roads are quite treacherous from flooding. She told me that she does not travel when it's raining. I initially thought that strange, but she does live kind of close to the mountain range here. I mean, I live in the midwestern prairies of the US, where we do have some flooding of the plains, but usually it's only an issue when we have many days of continuous rain, we don't worry everytime it rains.

But, sometimes here in Monterrey, when it rains, it really RAINS. The roads in the city fill with water, and you can end up like a drowned rat because when you step into the streets, you will literally step into about 6" of running water. And, not to mention the spray from all the vehicle as they whisk past and cover you with a sheet of water. I have heard of the dangers of living in or near the mountains, so I accept her concerns as being quite normal, and having validity.

I can see how people living in mountainous areas might need to be extra cautious. So, just as she had told me several months ago, she was not at work as it poured down rain outside El Infinito on Tuesday and Wednesday. I even noticed that some of the girls that work the night shift, girls that I know live in closer areas, maybe 45 minutes to an hour from El Infinito, were arriving late for their shift. As I was leaving El Infinito, I noticed Angry Girl arriving by cab at 11:30pm. That's pretty late to be arriving for the night shift, and I'm sure it was due to rain delay issues.

So, the weather here is having a real effect on mongering efforts. But, the important thing is...Angel Girl has not even been able to come to work since Saturday, so it isn't really like she has ignored me. I will be giving her the benefit of the doubt.

However, that does not mean I am giving her literal strict exclusivity, only so far within El Infierno and not within the totality of the bars in Monterrey. While in El Infinito the last few nights, I have cultivated new relationships, I now have no less than four new girls working the night shift that have all agreed to go on salida. One has already been on salida with me. Several last night were almost begging to go on salida. But, I had a different game plan for last night, and I wanted to go over to Pasarelas to scope out the options I've been working on now for over 4 months. So, I brushed off the prospects at El Infinito.

There are girls in El Infinito that are HOT, HOT, HOT, and I really can't wait to try them out should my Angel Girl decide that she is going to be unavailable. But, by the same token, I am extremely fond of my Angel Girl. I really appreciate her in almost everyway, and I prefer to be with her. So, if she makes herself available, I will stick with her. But, my activities in other bars will remain active. I am also quite sure that my Angel Girl is not so naive as to believe that I am inactive during her absence. But, I don't like rubbing that sort of thing in her face for strategy's sake.

My concern is that I not create a circumstance for her whereby she will feel as though she has lost face in her bar. So, if I take girls into the privados at El Infinito, I do so to interview them. I am known for almost completely restricting my activities in the privados to interviewing them, and maybe a little bit of horseplay and groping. But, generally, I am a very tame customer.

You know guys, I hear the recommendation all the time that I establish the rules, that I play the field, and that I openly patronize numbers of different girls to keep them all on their toes. But, my situation with "Angry Girl" (draw the distinction ANGRY versus Angel), makes me extremely cautious. With Angry Girl, I had always played the field. When I continued to see other girls in the bar after she cut me off, it made her anger toward me even more intense.

Here is what I believe distinguishes my circumstances from the "game" others seem to have with these girls, methods that I believe work well for them, Carlos, WastedG, etc...My game is perhaps a little different than theirs. Mill Just touched on it a little in his analysis with respect to my own "fantasy" GFE requirements, that the girl have at least a seemingly legitimate romantic link to me, versus just a porno-movie relationship. So, my "game" is such that in the process, I romance these girls with a certain degree of actual sincerity, which does yield for me, at least from some of them, the 20%, the GFE I enjoy.

I am under no illusions that this "romance" extends very far beyond the moment in time that we are on salida, other than I know that my presence is with them when we are not together, that I do occupy their thoughts as a friend, and maybe even so far as to be considered by them, a lover.

PLEASE, don't misconstrue those kind of statements as naivete, or green assed stupidity, or dilusions of grandure. I am grounded in the reality of what these girls do for a living, and I am totally aware of the fickleness of their commitments, and their sincerity, with my strict interpretation of their thought processes notwithstanding, I am not going to make any dumb moves with respect to my legitimate life.

It's just that becasue of my approach to them, and more importantly, their demonstrations of certain behaviors, I believe, based on their respective behaviors, all of which, the 20%, have varying degrees that suggest a romantic interest, or at least a sincere emotional connection being present...

That, just as Millust interpreted, is the basis of my GFE criteria. It is also another reason why I believe my stats are in the 20% range. Now, if I am totally dilusional, then fine...but, the bottom line is, the 20% is capable of making me feel it, and it's the reason they have attained such a position of influence with me. Remember, 80% of them don't impress me. Much more than 20% try to impress me, but only 20% pull it off.

So, my point is that I am able to strictly interpret the disingenuous behaviors of at least 80% of the ones that are trying. Well, make that 60% of the 100% that are trying. There is 40% of the 80% that are so crappy that they don't even make the effort, thereby faithfully maintaining the traditional lousy reputation that most accomplished mongers have for Mexican bar girls. If some of you take issue with those statistics, then I would be interested in hearing your interpretation of the breakdown.

I am under no actual illusions that the romance is lastingly real, but in the moment, with the 20%, I believe the romance is as real as it can get within the context of pay for play. I gage the "realism" of the romantic link through a series of criteria, and I make judgements of each candidate based on their reactions to me.

As I said before, most girls do not have the same range of reaction that bring the overall encounter to the level of my own strictly defined GFE. But, some do, whether they be legitimately romanced and having feelings in the moment, or whether they are merely good actresses, the reasons don't really matter if in fact they are living up to my GFE expectations. And, like I said before, the successes only involve about 20% out of 100% of the overall samples in the lab.

So, because I feel that my own satisfaction level is tied to this "romantic" link, I have to be relatively cautious at busting the fantasy bubble. This, IMHO, is exactly what happened with "AngRy Girl." Within these bars, IMHO, there is significant face saving involved, and I believe that my methods make the face savings aspect more of a consideration than some of you may be experiencing in your own circumstances.

That doesn't mean that your methods for you are not the better strategy for your satisfaction criteria for yourselves, but my "game" is played differently, and as Mill Just said, my GFE criteria make my playing of the game, just so I can acheive my desireable level of GFE to satisfy my own desires, perhaps a little different than the average monger.

I know most of you will say that I am turning mongering into rocket science, but please bare with me. The people that know me in business, also know me as very analytical and contemplative. So, I over analysis and over formulate strategy not only with respect to business, but to just as much an excess when mongering.

So, I am, because of my personality and my intrinsic makeup, forced to play the situation differently than the rest of you, because I realize the my preferred outcome is perhaps different than most of you. I will be cultivating new relationships within El Infinito, but I will do so with a level of discretion that will limit the "in your face" kinds of behaviors that originally got me into trouble with Angry Girl.

In addition, I am working diligently in other clubs, where I have numerous options. El Infinito is not the only game in town, and to be truly diverse, one should be working all the decent clubs as options for future salidas, which is my strategy.

I have been seeing the hottest girl in Pasarelas now for about 4 months...and she is a new girl for me, and never been on salida with me in the past, and, it's NOT Cindy #1. The result of my work came to conclusion last night, and the resulting GFE with this girl will illustrate much of what MJ had to say with respect to working the girls and cultivating the crop.

But, the more interesting thing about it is that I never thought this girl was really that interested in me. WOW, was I wrong. It just goes to show how unless you cultivate the crop fully, it can die on the vine...right, MJ? I will get into more detail in my upcoming report, much of which will deal with strategy, and much of which will also confirm what most of you have said with respect to playing them off against one another.

I will write a report on last night's salida with her...the result of that work over the last several months has resulted in an extraordinary GFE session with this girl last night, a girl that met almost all the criteria....certainly she met several of the most important ones. But, even her performance fell just slightly short of Angel Girl. But, conversely, "New Girl's" performance leaves doubt in my mind about the sincerity of her "romantic" interest. So, I have more work to do on her, or perhaps, just as I mis-interpreted her reactions to me before, I iam also mis-intepreting a connection that actually does exist. Only time will tell, and as Porker alluded to, I have learned well from the master at pinching my pennies. I will incrementally begin testing the limits of my "New Girl's" romantic interest through a Walmart style discount program, not immediately of course, but perhaps over time.

[MonterreyDude]

I see we are back to square one:

""New Girl's" performance leaves doubt in my mind about the sincerity of her "romantic" interest."

None of the girls ARE sincere.
They will never ever tell you what really crosses their mind on the first privado dance or salida. They will only be truthfull after a certain period of time and even then one has to distance himself from what ever they tell you.
Most important thing is that they should worry about YOUR sincerity, not the other way around.
You impose yourself on the girls, you don't let them stablish their rules at all, cause if you do, you can consider yourself on the losing side.




I will write a report on last night's salida with her...the result of that work over the last several months has resulted in an extraordinary GFE session with this girl last night, a girl that met almost all the criteria....certainly she met several of the most important ones. But, even her performance fell just slightly short of Angel Girl. But, conversely, "New Girl's" performance leaves doubt in my mind about the sincerity of her "romantic" interest. So, I have more work to do on her, or perhaps, just as I mis-interpreted her reactions to me before, I iam also mis-intepreting a connection that actually does exist. Only time will tell, and as Porker alluded to, I have learned well from the master at pinching my pennies. I will incrementally begin testing the limits of my "New Girl's" romantic interest through a Walmart style discount program, not immediately of course, but perhaps over time.

[Porker]

USB, if your GFE % is going down so much, maybe you've learned lessons about pinching pennies too well. If you're looking for convincing GFE, I'd wager that your results are going to be a LOT better if you buy LOTS of drinks and spend LOTS of time with a girl before you take her out. Spending time interviewing in the privados is a good way to test a girl's general attitude and playfulness, but if you want any illusion of romance, buying LOTS of drinks would almost surely work better. If you put the time and money into this at 4-5 bars a night, you will likely have to beat the girls off with a stick. Of course this takes money and energy... Cheap and lazy is not gonna produce results!

[Member #3453]

No...that is not how it worked. But, many of you "Bastards" have given me ideas that seem to have worked quite well. So for that, Muchisimas (sp)Gracias. I consider myself a full fledged "bastard" of the MillJust description.......uhmmmm, no pun intended MJ.

First, for my new GFE girl, I have ONLY bought her three drinks in my entire life, one about (4) months ago, one about (3) months ago....and then....

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But, what I did do, was give her home-made, absolutely delicious (if I do say so for myself) galletas on previous trips, and I also supplied her with a sugar high, chocolates, Skittles, jelly beans (the good shit), etc...Frankly, I have visited Pasarelas several times where she was already occupied and couldn't sit with me, but she still stopped by for a galleta or two.

Now look, I realize the cookies and the dulces are not going to clinch it. I know it was the (8) drinks that I bought Cindy #1 on Sunday night that made the light bulb go off. And which, by the way, I enjoyed immensely. It cost me about 880 pesos, but I spent probably two hours there, and I had a blast with Cindy #1, and the other girls that have a tendency to flock around her. She is a catalyst for a good time, crazy good time.

I had a blast with Cindy #1. But, more importantly, I demonstrated that I am a player to my new GFE girl. Furthermore, she also witnessed Cindy #1 moving in on me. I can't tell you the looks I got from this girl as she sat across the way from me, just about 15 feet away, chained to some Mexican dude that kept buying her drinks and boring the shit out of her. I mentioned it to her last night, that she looked a little bored over there with that dude all night, and she just put her head on my shoulder and started "ZZZZZZZZZ...."

More to come later....But, I am still looking for my Angel Girl....Nothing has changed. I still long for the comforts of my Angel Girl GFE. If she doesn't become available I HAVE OTHER OPTIONS...but, I would like to see her.


USB, if your GFE % is going down so much, maybe you've learned lessons about pinching pennies too well. If you're looking for convincing GFE, I'd wager that your results are going to be a LOT better if you buy LOTS of drinks and spend LOTS of time with a girl before you take her out. Spending time interviewing in the privados is a good way to test a girl's general attitude and playfulness, but if you want any illusion of romance, buying LOTS of drinks would almost surely work better. If you put the time and money into this at 4-5 bars a night, you will likely have to beat the girls off with a stick. Of course this takes money and energy... Cheap and lazy is not gonna produce results!

[Member #3453]

I found this new girl over at Pasarelas, and she is really great. She is really HOT, and really quite the GFE girl. She will spend whatever time with me that I want, so she told me, and I believe she would do it for a fraction of what it usualy costs if I pay the salida, 750 pesos, plus her fee, which would normally be around 1000 pesos.

We hit it off so well the first night, that I bar fined her away from Pasarelas last night again around 2am. She stayed with me until 6am, and it cost me 600 pesos, plus the two jarras I bought for her, and the 750 pesos bar fine. I think things are progressing quite nicely with her, and she is GFE #2 next to my Angel Girl, who walks away easily with the number one position every time, and seems to show no signs of fading.

As Porker suggested, I had actually determined prior to this trip that I had learned his lessons far too well with respect to limiting expenditures on girls in MTY. The key is absolutely directly linked to them perceiving us as capable of spending respectable sums of money on them. Certainly, it is almost a prequisite to at least establishing your appeal within the bars. Either that, or spending less money, but consistently more often, just as the locals are capable of doing, MillJust and Carlos. They don't spend as much in one sitting, but they are able to string out their expenditures so the girls view them as regular pay checks.

But, in all honesty, with New GFE girl, I had only bought her three drinks prior to bar fining her and establishing her as a GFE girl. To a certain extent, that strategy worked well as a catalyst in at least establishing her sincerity with respect to wanting to be with me, which as MJ alluded to before, is always the basis from which I try to establish an assessment of potential GFE quality and potential sincerity level.

One thing that seems to work well all across the world is for the girl to choose you. I have tried to refrain from spending too much money on them initially so as to solicit some degree of preferential selection on their parts. It is always better if they choose you versus the other way around. That, of course, does not necessarily apply if you have the time on the ground like MJ or Carlos, and can use time and incremental familiarity to achieve an interest level based on your charming them over time. But, for most of us visiting Monterrey, it's going to be virtually impossible to take that kind of time to cultivate the crop.

So, you may have to be prepared to throw some money around, even more than I do, in order to make the impression right away, and to solicit a clammering for you from the moment you sit down in the club. I believe that occassional, or one-time, visitors will need to probably spend about 25% more than I do, which is probably around $100 night, which does NOT include the main event, just on establishing your position as a player, and probably as much as 50%-65% more than what Carlos and MillJust probably have to spend for similiarly satisfying results over the course of spending each week in the clubs and spending less incrementally.

But getting back to my Angel Girl. I was able to see her earlier the same day Thursday. She was at work at Infinito around 7:30pm, I paid a double bar fine, 750 pesos, and took her out of the bar for the rest of the night. There was no money discussed, but I told her I would make it up to her in any money she lost by leaving work. That would amount to about 50 pesos, if that much, because it was very slow in the clubs last night because it was raining again.

Get this, when I was in Pasarelas last night, there were no less than 32 girls on the board in attendence. I had given the DJ a Lynard Skynard CD, and asked him to scan the songs into the que. I gave him 40 pesos to mix MY MUSIC into the normal mix. When I was in there, the DJ showed me how many girls had checked in to work. There was 32 on the board.

There must have been about 5-7 girls to every patron in the bar. Many of the girls were doubling up on clients. I dismissed one immediately, a girl that I had bar fined eariler in the week, a girl that I liked, but decided that she was not in the rotation as strongly as some of the others.

I had three stroking me at my table at one time, and eventually dismissed two of them, Cindy #1 and 1st attempt new girl from Monday night. I dismissed them so the cost didn't go absolutely through the roof, choosing to patronize my new GFE girl with two jarras at the tune of 250 pesos each instead of spreading around the wealth. I am finding that you're more effective demonstrating you have the money, spending it on your best choice of girl so all can see our potential, and occassionally patronizing the alternates when your best girl is not around.

Anyway, back to my Angel Girl again, she stayed with me from 8pm to 11pm, and I actually just decided to give her 1000 pesos, probably 50 pesos more than she would have earned staying at work, even though the money was not discussed, nor is it required. Like I said, I always take care of her. I did it just to help her out, and also, in the event her attentions are not "sincere," I routinely choose to do it as part of my own due diligence just to clinch the deal in lieu of commonality of likely insincerity in these kinds of circumstances. So, when she sees me, even though she does NOT charge me anything, I usually take care of her, especially if she's leaving work to be with me, in circumstances where she would possibly lose money doing so. I could test her sincerity as Porker suggested, but why? I prefer to perpetuate the "sincerity" or the "myth." Paying her clinches it either way.

It may appear from my former comments in days past, and as has been suggested by Porker recently, that I am being cheap with my Angel Girl. I have to admit that I was being cheap in the clubs, but not with my Angel Girl. That is simply not the case. There have, of course, been occassions when she costs me nothing. But, I am not naive, and I do not tempt fate were pay for play is concerned. Fact is, I have paid a lot more for girls that do not hold a candle to the "believability" and superior perforance level of my Angel Girl. So, any money I do spend on her is a bargain by any measure of cost versus benefit analysis. I take good care of my Angel Girl, but it is strictly at my discretion. No discussion of money takes place unless she is reluctant to leave work because she will lose money by possibly being with me while simulataneously losing money from being absent from her job.

I have to say, Angel Girl is by far the closest thing to a real swooning girlfriend that I have ever found. Turns out that she was not available to me because she had to go to San Luis Potosi, her home town, where she has to go routinely, sometimes at a moment's notice, to take care of things for her sick mother. This "sick mother" thing is not a "line" but has been independently confirmed through mis spias....

So, she took a bus ride down there, 12 hours down on Monday, and came immediately back (12 hours on the bus) after taking care of things in San Luis, Potosi, as quickly as possible, so she could at least see me for a few days before I left. I am convinced of her sincerity in making that effort.

Here...lets open a can of worms with this following paragraph...

Some will call me a fool. Oh well, if I am a fool emotionally, that is all I have to lose, because I do NOT risk my legitimate life as a point of personal policy by seeing these girls, and/or extending to them levels of trust that would jeapardize my legitimate life back in the States, not even with respect to my Angel Girl, who I believe IS emotionally sincere. Honestly, if you do not jeapardize the important things in your legitimate life while engaging in these activities, I fail to really see the downside of giving them the benefit of the doubt with respect to maintaining the illusion of sincerity, if in fact the sincerity is 100% of the time always an illusion, which I am NOT convinced is always the case just because they are working girls.

If you don't make "trust" committments to them, and you maintain the illusion, if it is an illusion for GFE sake, which I am not always convinced it is always, unequivically, without exception, always a con game, then what has one got to lose in playing along with the emotional presentation that is so intregal a part of the GFE quality of performance.

Anyway, Angel Girl told me she was sorry, and that she was afraid I would be angry with her, that I would think she did not care, or that I would believe she was disingenuous with respect to her feelings for me. But, she said she just couldn't help it. Her responsibilities took her out of Monterrey unexpectedly, and she told me she wished she could be here for me all week...She said, with all "sincerity" in her deameanor, that she couldn't help it. I solcicited none of her comments by asking her where she was, etc...She brought it all up, like it had weighed on her mind, something that she felt needed clarification.

So, she is still on top of the heap as far as I'm concerned. Even as good as my new GFE girl is over a Pasarelas, my Angel Girl is still better GFE. It is surprising because I am simultaneously impressed with my new GFE girl, and for a girl to surpass her, frankly, takes a hell of a lot of "sincerity" in the moment. Angel Girl surpassed any girl I have ever known with respect to her reactions to me, even with respect to legitimate relationships I have had in my life.

I'm pretty happy with the way everything is turning out. Today, I am supposed to see Angel Girl, bar fine her from work around 8pm, pay the double salida, take her out of Infinito earlier than usual so we can go to dinner. She is planning to spend all night with me, and she will probably leave in the morning around 7am. That's the plan anyway. It doesn't seem like the plan is anything I or she can rely on, so I have my backup plan. No problem, I am committed to having fun and making ME happy.

I've been spending a lot of money this week buying drinks, paying salidas, sometimes even paying for double salidas, in order to bar fine them away for longer periods of time, etc...and I am doing it to establish myself as a player, primarily in Pasarelas. I plan to scale back my expenditures once I have several more of them hooked, which I seem to be doing with incredible rapidness over at Pasarelas.

For all you guys that are trying to judge your budgets for Monterrey, and contemplating what it costs for you to have a week's worth of satisfying fun here, consider this...I suspect that in the final analysis, I will have spent probably about 14000 pesos this week, just on entertainment, 6 nights. That does not factor in hotels costs and airfare, which I fully anticipate will be approximately $850US. That's a total of approximately $2,250 to come to MTY for fun. Now, compared to the US, which will cost you at least $200US per hour, and for SIGNIFICANTLY less quality, and extremely rare GFE, MTY is a comparative bargain.

You just have to have the cash flow in reserve to make it all happen, and it's especially a little scary to contemplate that if you choose to do this as routinely as I do, even if you reduce your expenditures to a more reasonable 10000 pesos for pay for play, actual entertainment, plus salidas over five days, then it's still a huge price to pay for routinely visiting this venue like I do. I have resolved myself to over charging my customers to pay for it all :-) hahaha...NOT!

Now, consider also that I have spent a lot of time in this venue over five years. I realize that this trip, I am throwing money around like a drunken sailor just because I am needing to re-vitalize my harem. That costs more money than what I might routinely have to spend if I had myself already well established in Pasarelas, or any of the other fertile bars for that matter, Harem, Casino, Bahamas, TVO, Extasis, etc... Infinito is a given. I am already established there, and it does not require these kinds of expenditures to impress the girls. But, venturing outside the Infinito, Matehuala, El Cielo group, you will spend probably at least 25% more than you would have to in those lower end bars.

Fact is, with the cookie schtick and because we were in there with my Cindy #1 raising hell together, with Mr. R (the newbie to MTY), me, and Quincy, the new Gringo local, I had no less than 7-8 girls who came to me at Pasarelas last night in very familiar ways, trying to worm their individual selves into some kind of relationship with me. Interestingly enough, Cindy #1 is starting to proposition me for salidas now, something she did not feel was necessary before.

It is a direct result of my establishing myself this week as a player within Pasarelas. It would not have been necessary had I only wanted to start something up with my New GFE girl because I have worked on her over the course of 4-5 months, with small numbers of drinks, I think around three drinks over 4-5 months.

But, now, after having thrown around some money in Pasarelas, maybe as much as $500 over the course of this week alone, I have a huge plethera of options in there should my New GFE girl not be available. Funny thing is, because she knows she has so much competiton now from her co-workers, all easily available to me in her absence, she has taken it upon herself to type in my phone number in her cell, and reciprically enter her cell number in my phone, so that if she is not at work, I can effortlessley call her directly. She would prefer to make my selection of her so easy as to make it easier than my even having to walk into Pasarelas, especially if she isn't working that night. She suggested that we meet outside so it does not cost me as much in the future. I am convinced I can get her to come to me for 500 pesos for four hours...maybe even more hours for nothing. But, as Porker has suggested, I'm not sure the merits of cheap will pay off sufficiently to justify the savings by stiffing them.

I have to admit...As Porker likes to sometimes say, "life is beddy beddy guuud to me." :-)))))))))))))

[Member #3453]

I thought your description of your preferred kind of chica was enlightening because it revealed that we are perhaps looking for chicas that are of a completely different variety.

MJ says:

"I still like loud Hip-Hop music, club-hopping all night and racing the car down empty streets at 5am while getting a BJ from a club girl. I like the loud lifestyle that many of these chicas are addicted to. Maybe 15 years from now, I won't. I will lose one of the aspects that I share in common with the chicas.

You're correct in your assumptions, I think you could be 15 years younger than me, and based on your descriptions of what you like in those chicas you seek, I can categorically say that we are miles apart in our preferences.

Don't misunderstand, I don't mean to sound like I am criticizing anyone's particular preferences, but those attributes that you describe are totally different than what I look for, and prefer. For my part, the chicas I look for do not subscribe the things that you describe as your typical kind of chica.

MJ Says:

"Then, I'll only have the money to keep them with me; Thus, severly limiting the quality of GFE I would be able to get from these 20-something chicas."

Money is certainly a component of genuine GFE, but the chicas I select, with the ones that attain GFE status, money is not the ONLY motivator for satisfactory performance, at least not from my GFE girls. I spend the same amount of money for GFE sessions as I do for mediocre and bad sessions. I am not saying that if the money were not there I would easily bed them all anyway. I am not that naive. But, there is a percentage of them that were the money to run lean or be unpredictable, they would still be accessible. But, there again, we are talking about a huge difference in the varying types of working girls, and there is a huge difference among them. I just can't categorize all of them as being the same attitudinally, psychologically, etc...

I also think that you may look for younger chicas, whereas I am usually more content with chicas that are at least 24-27 years old. Don't misunderstand, I love to grope the 18-20 year olds in the privados and play games with them, but there is not a one of them that has ever achieved a GFE position, least not one in Mexico...plenty are available in that age range in other countries, Asia, Indonesia, Colombia, etc....

There is a huge difference in maturity level compared to the 18-20 year old Mexican hottie, and there is also a huge psychological adjustment that most of the 24-27 year old girls have already made in their minds with respect to their choice of profession. Frankly, I believe that the girl's attitudes swing "hard" for a while, especially if the girl is HOT, and a little bit independent due to her being a young pro, versus a pro that has taken a few licks and had the time to adjust psychologically to the effects of their profession, and possibly even feeling that they are getting older, and have less of an edge as they once did. I also think that whether girls are mothers has a huge effect on whether they have been softened up by motherhood. They may not be as tight, but generally, they seem a lot more affectionate once they have had a baby and left their immaturity behind.

Maybe that is where we have somewhat of a departure with respect to how we judge these chicas, and their relative sincerity levels, which you doubt 100%, where I actually believe some of them can be relatively sincere, obviously not a full 20%, which is my GFE percentage, but maybe half of the 20%, with varying degrees of sincerity as the benchmark. That doesn't mean I advocate trusting them as you would trust a "good girl," or assuming they are good prospects for a legitimate lifestyle, but it does mean that, with some, I trust their sincerity of affectionate emotion with respect to GFE.

But, again, I think it has more to do with the types of girls we might be attracted to. One thing that you are so right about though...Most of the girls change, especially between the ages of 18-23 years old. And that, for me, is the thing that makes your statement that they never be trusted one of profound validity. That is, they should never be trusted with anything linked to your legitimate life. In addition, they should not be anticipated, or trusted to maintain any kind of consistent behavior toward us unless they have matured in age. Of course, there are always exceptions. I am writing in generalities here. Even if I select the sweetest of the sweet, if they are under 23 years old, childless, etc... I can almost regularly expect them to change considerably in the way they relate to me, most over a very short period of time, sometimes experiencing swings from sweet to hard, and back to semi-sweet, to bitter, to sweet again. But, usually, by the time they're sweet again, they're at least 24 years old, usually older.

Sometimes, as WastedG has referred to with respect to the demeanor of his "X" girl, even the toughest of the lot of twenty year olds has a soft spot for those of us that treat them well and right, like they are valuable human beings, something they are not routinely used to, certain not so within the confines of their professions, and probably not even within their everyday legitimate lives. So, IMHO, our own treatment of our girls, especially over time, demonstrating to them how much they do mean to us as human beings, perhaps even cautiously claiming them as friends, and treating them accordingly, with sincerity ourselves, defines whether they are sincere in their emotional affections for us or not, individually.


Another thing that may influence whether one gets GFE or not is the age and disposition of the monger. A younger guy just has a lot more in common with the chicas and that allows a certain area of compatibilty to develop outside of the regular business relationship.

I'm no teenager by any means, but I would assume that I'm younger than a lot of guys who post here. I still like loud Hip-Hop music, club-hopping all night and racing the car down empty streets at 5am while getting a BJ from a club girl. I like the loud lifestyle that many of these chicas are addicted to. Maybe 15 years from now, I won't. I will lose one of the aspects that I share in common with the chicas. Then, I'll only have the money to keep them with me; Thus, severly limiting the quality of GFE I would be able to get from these 20-something chicas. By the time I get old, I'll just have money, a few good stories to tell them....and, of course, I big, giant weenie :) .

Sorry for the lack of focus in this post. I was just noticing my first gray hairs this afternoon and I realized that I'll be too old for these girls in the not-too-distant future.

And I do agree that my living in Mexico is a big advantage for me. But, with all the visits to Monterrey, you could also be classified as a local. And I would hazard to guess that in an average year, you spend more time in the clubs of Monterrey than I do in the clubs in Morelia.

But If I overstepped my bounds, sorry. If you're happy with your current situation, then nothing needs to be changed. Just keep on having fun...

Mill

[Member #3453]

MJ,

I've been contemplating your last post, and the details of your comments. I find them valid in many ways, but I also have other, well, not disagreements necessarily, but I feel the need to expand on what you had to say.

But, right now, I have been asked via PM to update the saga of my "Angel Girl," and I have some of that written already so I will post it now, and I will come back to commenting on your post sometime this week when my boredom in the waste land motivates me to comment further. I am back home now, so I will contemplate your comments a little further and get back to you.

So here goes...Please treat me gently...MJ is right in this instance. My feelings for this girl are really intense now.

Ok, here is the update. You all know of my recent frustrations with my Angel Girl and her inavailability to me. I had been construing her inavailability as just being that of insincerity and opportunism, the kind that's typical of most bar girls, and that she was possibly losing interest in me, just playing me along.

Intellectually I have them all pegged, but emotionally, some of them are quite special. This one in particular is outstanding, and my affections for her transcend my desire for GFE. MJ is right, I am in love with a bar girl. But, I am also protective of my "legitimate" life. Intellectually, I am disciplined enough to separate the two, and to know how to maintain the sanctity of my legitimate life while having a HOT mistress on the side. It doesn't mean that I love my Angel Girl any less, but I have responsibilities at home that require my discipline. Life is full of diametrically opposing responsibilities. You just have to be able to juggle them responsibly.

So, that having been said, hopefully my comments here will not seem too naive and foolish. I know how they must sound, but please give me the benefit of the doubt.

After finally being able to see Angel Girl a couple of times this week, I am convinced of her sincerity, and, provided her displays of sincerity, with their unbelievable intensity, continue, then that's all the matters. It is GFE as close to real as anything you will ever experience. It is actually beyond GFE. That is why I don't crave other girls if she is available to me. I would opt to take her each and every day, and not think even once of her competitors were she with me.

I am reluctant to post her excuses to me because I know where this is going to go. I know you guys and your cynical points of view.

She was not in the bar the first part of this week because...

Angel Girl has a sick madre living in San Luis Potosi. She has to work in the biz, partially because of her madres health problems, to buy expensive drugs for her condition, which is some kind of blood disease I believe.

Many of you will understandably say that she is simply giving me the "sick madre" story, like so many girls certainly do to make excuses. But, I think her excuses to me are honest. I have seen her checking the internet on my laptop, investigating the details of her mother's condition.

One time several months ago, she even asked Carlos if I could get her mother's meds from the US because she was having problems getting the meds in Mexico. I think her mother has many other complications that comprimise her health on a regular basis, most of which are linked to the blood disease.

Anyway, her mother is part of the reason she works in the bar. The other is her son, and her desire to make a good life for him. She is saving to buy a house, and start a business, something separate from the clubs, and I believe she is getting closer to doing it, supposedly only 2-3 months away from buying a house closer in to El Centro MTY.

She had told me that her dream is to quite the bar. She is not one of these girls that MillJust refers to, a girl that is addicted to the "life." I have found that there are two kinds of girls in that biz, the ones that MillJust refers to, and the ones that have to work in that biz to get anywhere in their lives. It is their ONLY option being females in Mexico, IF they want to have anything. Whom among us would be satisfied earning $2 an hour and literally eaking out (sp) an existence as single mothers in Mexico. Not me...I know my strength of character would be far worse than a typical bar girl were I in their similar circumstances, poor, no education, etc...

Look, if I was a hottie, I would certainly use every asset I have to make things happen for me, and most of these girls are NO WORSE than I personally would be. That is where MJ and I part ways with respect to how we interpret these girls and the their motivations. Certainly, there are some addicted to the life. But, there are far more of them that are chained to the life due to their circumstances. Circumstances are what keeps them working the bars, and not a craving for such an existence.

Angel Girl presently lives in Villa Garcia, 1-1/2 to 2 hours from MTY, close to the foot of the mountain ranges, and she must commute that far everytime she comes to work, or to see me. So, it has become very frustrating for me because her inavailability always makes me doubt her sincerity.

This same inavailability occurred this last trip...for example, this last time when she was so unavailable, I became angry and hurt. Well, more disappointed than angry, but definitely hurt. I knew something was up because she did not show up to work for three days either, so I figured there was some kind of BS that she was also probably having to deal with. The source of my frustrations are her damned circumstances, and not necessarily are they related to her purposely avoiding me.

In that respect, MJ's comments about types of girls is valid. I may think her GFE is outstanding, but he is right that when he says that sometimes when they are mothers, or have significant other family responsibilities, the logistics of coordinating time with them is off the charts, especially if you want to see them for extended periods of time outside the bar.

So, when we finally did get together, she told me she had an emergency in San Luis Potosi, and that she had to take the bus immediately to San Luis, 12 hours down there, take care of some issues with her mother, and get right back on the bus, 12 hours back to MTY, telling me that she felt that she had to get back asap to see me too.

So, when she got back in town, I finally found her at El Infi that night. I had not called her cell phone because I was kind of aggravated and decided that she was possibly not worth the aggravation.

I was just kidding myself. You can't just dump an addiction such as my Angel Girl. One of the first things she asked me when we saw each other was if I had seen another girl...ain't that cute. She knew her absence would make me angry, and that I might just decide to dump her for another girl.

Of course, being the chivalrous gentleman I am, I lied. But, frankly, had I known her circumstances, I would have been totally faithful to her, waiting for her to come back. But, because of the sage advice of so many hard core mongers, and because I myself subscribe to that advice with respect to accepted mongering strategy, I felt compelled to cultivate more options.

But, the truth be known, Angel Girl exceeds GFE...if that's even possible, and had I known she was actually worried that I would find another girl, I would have just waited for her to return. Oh well, no importa...because, frankly, even the best GFE girl doesn't even come close to Angel Girl. She is well worth the wait.

That night, I paid a double bar fine to take her out of her club from about 8pm to when her shift ended. She stayed with me that amount of time, and returned home to her son that night around 11:30pm. Remember, after having worked all night, she had to get back on that bus, back to her home, 1-1/2 to 2 hours away from MTY, this after having made two long bus rides already. Frankly, the poor girl was exhausted, and she stayed with me anyway, making the level of effort that could not be anything but sincere.

I gave her 1000 pesos, and it was simply to make up for the revenue she lost by going with me instead of staying at work. I calculated that she probalby would have made around 280 pesos if she had stayed at work, and if she was also able to complete the number of privados that make up her quota of 30 dances in 8 hours. Plus, I considered that if she had stayed at work she may also have earned salary as well if she had made quota, so I figured that because she had been gone so long from work tending to her mother, and because she was losing money by going with me, I would make sure she was well taken care of.

We have had some serious conversations, and this time she, just out of the blue, asked me if I wanted her to quit the biz, and I believe she would consider it for my sake, but I just told her that she can never make the kind of money she will need to get ahead in life as a single mother by taking a regular job. It is her only shot at the brass ring. I told her I hated seeing her in that job, but life is full of stuff you don't want to do to get ahead. If by doing that job she is able to make good money and get ahead, I can not in good conscience compel her to quit for my sake.

When she left that night, we were planning for me to bar fine her the next night around 8pm, so we could still go over to Bennigan's for dinner, and she was planning to stay todo la noche until around 11am the next day. But, things did not work out...her dedication to responsibility as a daughter made my final day with her in Monterrey bitter sweet. More to come later...

[Porker]

USB, glad you reaped the rewards of not being a CHEAP ass, like ME! Did I read things correctly, though, are jarras only p250 at Pasarelas? It has been a long time since I bought 1, but even several years back, at Extasis and Good Music (LOL! re: that name!), they were already p350.

Re:"Angel" girl, would ANY of your thoughts about her (and her BULLSHIT !!!) change if you KNEW that she had a leech local boyfriend? Funny how that little curveball changes perspectives...

MJ and Carlos: You guys can congratulate each other all you want about how ell you understand the local working girls, but IMO, each of you have flawed M.O.'s: You both think hookers are beneath you, and give them 0 respect. While I will freely admit that most are exactly as you peg them, there certainly are plenty that don't deserve your scorn.

[El Cabron 007]

I'm gonna run for cover while I say this .... out of all of you guys, I think the one who understands the girls the best is .... drum roll ..... simple little ... me.

haha .... but seriously, putting way too much thoughts into any of this will give you, me, them, the neighbors .... nothing but a headache. The best attitude I found so far has been to hang out, have fun, enjoy yourself and if at the end of the night you get to pop one or 2 or even 4 (wink) then you move on and do what comes naturally the next day.

Why complicate the hell out of it all? Enjoy yourself and let the chips fall where they may.

Then again, that's just my opinion.

Wasted





Re:"Angel" girl, would ANY of your thoughts about her (and her BULLSHIT !!!) change if you KNEW that she had a leech local boyfriend? Funny how that little curveball changes perspectives...

MJ and Carlos: You guys can congratulate each other all you want about how ell you understand the local working girls, but IMO, each of you have flawed M.O.'s: You both think hookers are beneath you, and give them 0 respect. While I will freely admit that most are exactly as you peg them, there certainly are plenty that don't deserve your scorn.

[Member #3453]

Hey Porker,

Yes, the jarras at Pasarelas are 250 pesos. They do have a lot of ice in the pitcher, but the pitchers are about the same size as the ones over at TVO. I gaged the number of drinks that girls seems to get out of a jarra and it's about (3) drinks. So, at the 110 pesos that's regularly charged for a copa, if you do the math, and you're willing to buy at least two drinks, the jarras are a bargain. I bought my new GFE girl two jarras one night, and she got about three drinks out of each jarra, and that's with her filling the glass to the brim each time.

Reference your comments about Angel Girl. I take a lot of heat from mis amigos with respect to my opinions of the girls, and especially of my distinction with respect to Angel Girl and her seemingly legitimate affection for me.

It is refreshing to see that Porker, probably universally recognized as the one of the most skeptical of all mongers, is perhaps enlightened sufficiently to realize that the girls are still human beings, and that they have the capacity to love, if not with an enduring commitment, perhaps at least in the moment.

That is what I get from Angel Girl. For that, I am extremely appreciative. All I know is, I sense her sincerity when I am there with her in the room. Isn't that what I should be looking for.

Things said between two people under those circumstances may not really stand the light of day. But, the girl is not stupid. She realizes that I offer her nothing in the long term. It would not surprise me to learn that she has a real boyfriend or husband. But, if she does, she is not thinking about him when she is making love to me in the hotel.

The bottom line of the entire discussion is that Angel Girl makes love to me, and she is sincere in the moment, as sincere as any girl I have ever been with, over a thousand in all. She has done so now for over 8 months with complete and total consistency, not once waivering in her sincere delivery of love-making.

So, to me, that's worth something. I know what making love feels like, and what straight sex feels like, what good GFE feels like, and what bad sessions feel like. There is a distinction between each of these, and I can uncategorically state that Angel Girl makes love to me, when all the rest are only going through the motions. So, I fail to see why my praising her treatment of me, and my developing a love for such a girl would be so surprising. She is like the needle in the haystack in Mexico. She is like a breath of fresh air in an otherwise stale room, meaning that in Mexico, she is totally and completely unique, far superior to any and all. To make love to her, or others exactly like her, is my goal for coming to Monterrey, and my goal mongering in general.

I pay the same amount of money for good to mediocre sessions in Monterrey as I do for my Angel Girl. Angel girl delivers totally believable love-making, and not just sex, and she does so at less than the same cost to acquire good to mediocre sessions.

I will say it again...It's a NO BRAINER. I love her for that, and for that there is no substitute right now that I know of in Monterrey. However, my new GFE girl has the same possible potential as Angel Girl. But, in all fairness to Angel Girl, new GFE girl has only known me "intimately" for two sessions. I expect things to progress similarily with new GFE girl, and you will all be telling me I am nuts when I have two of them I "love" seeing.

And, more importantly, I must also point out that if Angel Girl fades, I have a backup established that has the potential to be just as good. There is even another girl in the same relative category working at Pasarelas that I sense has a lot of potential, but I have only bar fined her once. So, count two at Pasarelas, and my Angel Girl, three acceptable options. And, I continue to look for more. But, they MUST live up to my criteria!!!

They must be able to perform to my standards, not just with acceptable sessions, but they must be able to make love to me with 100% believability. Unrealistic? So be it...that is what it will have to be in order for me to continue mongering in Mexico.

These three girls are all really good GFE girls, where I can expect a far superior, "Asia Style" committment in the moment.

I guess I just can't expect those who have not been to some of these other worldwide venues, and experienced the level of intensity that is possible, to understand the distinction. Because, they have only experienced Mexico.

But, I will say it again...Mexico does not compare...but, unless you experience otherwise directly yourself, you would not know what you've been missing, and good to mediocre sessions will seem acceptable to you. But, if you have never tasted a "love-making" hooker, as I have, you don't really know what you're missing do you?

If you other guys have girls making love to you, and you can feel their emotion in your core, then you know what I mean. But, frankly, I can count on one hand the number of girls in five years that have approached that distinction in Mexico, Angel Girl, Angry Girl, Cindy #1, and Abigail from El Cielo, and that's it, four out of literally hundreds.

If I was falling in love with all of them, why are there only four out of hundreds over five years in Monterrey that achieve such a distinction. That alone should demonstrate that my assessments are not those of an amateur, but legitimate assessments of sessions that contain more of the "real thing" than anyone is prepared to seemingly accept.

When I find the FANTASTIC FOUR, all found incrementally over time, is it any wonder that I am falling in love with them when I finally do stumble across them. It is like a dying man in the desert finding an oasis.


USB, glad you reaped the rewards of not being a CHEAP ass, like ME! Did I read things correctly, though, are jarras only p250 at Pasarelas? It has been a long time since I bought 1, but even several years back, at Extasis and Good Music (LOL! re: that name!), they were already p350.

Re:"Angel" girl, would ANY of your thoughts about her (and her BULLSHIT !!!) change if you KNEW that she had a leech local boyfriend? Funny how that little curveball changes perspectives...

MJ and Carlos: You guys can congratulate each other all you want about how ell you understand the local working girls, but IMO, each of you have flawed M.O.'s: You both think hookers are beneath you, and give them 0 respect. While I will freely admit that most are exactly as you peg them, there certainly are plenty that don't deserve your scorn.

[Member #3453]

Guys,

You are right...She is simply a hooker, and I am giving her too much credit. But, here is my position. It is not that she withholds anything from me when I am with her. I am perfectly satisfied when I am with her...more than satisfied.

It is more that she is giving me excuses, and wasting my time when I am there by not making herself available, etc...She is doing her job when she is with me, working hard to convince me of her sincere "devotion," but she doesn't care about spending the time with me...So, you are right.

You have all told me to send her messages when I am there to bring her into line. She doesn't care about the messages I have already sent her with respect to jerking me around. So, I am going to send her the ultimate message...

I won't be back!!! That should make it real clear. WastedG can tell her when he comes back in July, and Angry Girl too, not that either of them will care. She should feel relieved that she is rid of me. She can clear her docket for all the rest.

And that IS the issue. She makes me feel that she does care, but doesn't. There is GFE, and then there is beyond GFE. She has stepped over the line. My feelings for her are genuine, but she is just bullshitting me, apparently for no reason other than to toy with my heart. She toys with me because she isn't choosing to show up, always giving me excuses, so there is no reason for her to continue the act...for what?

Were I traveling to another venue, and patronizing a girl with as much sincerity as those two, Angry and Angel Girls respectively over time, it would be a major issue if I decided not to come back. I suspect it will not matter one centilla to either of them if they never see me again.

That is really a shame when I feel so close to them, but more importantly, it is really shitty service if considering it strictly within the context of mongering on a worldwide scale. Girls in any other venue would be totally upset at the prospect of such a kind and repeat benefactor deciding to drop them and never return. I doubt it will cause either of those two one moment's despair. That is a commentary on the Mexico experience.

If she simply performed as she does without all the sincerity in her way, just as my new GFE girl from Pasarelas has, then I would not be in a funk over her. I would simply return and realize that she is there for money like all the rest. But, she has brought the relationship further by being the way she is with me, and it is all simply an act apparently designed to torture me, or to somehow inflate her own ego. Because, literally, if she is never able to see me, why perpetuate the BS act, verdad?

Oh well, I guess she is enjoying the prospect of having me on a leash, feeling wanted, whatever. I will simply not return, and the leash will be of NO consequence for sure then.

Pasarelas girl is just as good as Angel Girl, but she does not pull on my heart strings like Angel Girl. Angel Girl makes commitments to be here or there for me, tells me so many things that make me fall in "love" with her, and then she disappoints me by not showing up. If she filled me full of bullshit affection, and showed up as promised, then it wouldn't be a problem. That is what I am there for. But to get filled full of bullshit affection, and to have her not show up is cruel of her...if in fact, hers are all BS excuses, right?

I would return month after month and patronize her without any expectations. I have no intention of legitimizing anything with her. But, she works so hard to convince me of her sincerity, and then doesn't show up, or doesn't care that I am coming to see her...I don't understand her motivations for toying with me.

But, she has disappointed me too many times, and you guys have convinced me that she completely full of shit, and that I am giving her too much credibility, that I am taking the word of a hooker, and that she is totally disingenuous in everything she says. So, I am through.

If in fact, all the excuses are just that, and all of her displays of affection to me are bullshit, then fine...I would rather not be coming down there and dealing with the heartache she gives me. I don't like dealing with it there when she stands me up, and I don't like dealing with it after I get back, missing a girl that doesn't give a shit whether I return or not, my having to take two frickin' weeks getting over her GFE everytime I return home. You guys have me convinced me she is not worth returning to.

But, in the same breath, neither are the others worth it. If I seek GFE, and I find a girl as good as Angel Girl, and all it causes me is a lot of heartache and aggravation, then why am I doing it to myself. I don't seek anything other than GFE, so I am in a Catch 22 situation, damned if I monger, and damned if I don't. I just don't care about simply patronizing girls for mechanical sex, and GFE is a lot of fun. But, Angel Girl has taken it well beyond GFE, and so have I, stupidly.

The difference between Mexico and other venues is that I don't have to put up with the disappointments on the ground. At least when I am there in the other venues, I am king...I am not played a fool or unappreciated. The girls clammer to be with you, and would die to have a guy pay attention to them, if not for emotional affections, then certainly for financial reasons. I get GFE in spades without all the hassles. In other venues, you are made to feel that at least they "NEED" to be with you, and there are no stupid, disingenuous excuses.

You see...I can be just as arbitrarily tough as the next guy. My solution is to simply take Mexico out of the rotation due to the fucked up frustration factor, and not because I am necessarily in "love" with a bar girl. I can just as easily travel to other venues where the frustration factor, the "showing up" issues, are NOT issues.

My complaint with respect to commentary I read here is that the real "issue," which has to do with consistent "quality" of experience, is completely overlooked. Even when I find the very best GFE available, something always fucks it up. For some reason, excuses are made for the Mexico venue, to somehow make up for all the BS run around that seems to always accompany a mongering venture in Mexico as compared to everywhere else of world class quality. Excuses, excuses, excuses....

[Member #3453]

MJ,

I agree with everything you're saying here. With respect to the "good test" you refer to, that is where my intellect seems to over-ride the bulge in my pants, thank God. I would never trust her...no, not even her, not with any amount of money beyond the normal fee. I guess in that sense, I am still relatively sane.

I know better than to intellectually support all the behaviors that my prior posts seem to indicate with respect to foolish thoughts, actions, and feelings, things that I know make my pleadings seem like those of a total and complete newbie. Believe me, I know how ridiculous I sound.

I have thought long and hard on symantics of the words I use when I describe what this girl means to me. It is not "love" per se. More accurately, I am in LOVE with her act...if it is an act...which, in the moment, I do not think it is. But, none-the-less, such assessments are always debatable depending on your range of experience, and the harshness of one's attitude toward most hookers. But, really, opinions about what is really going on don't matter, because, as you all have pointed out, there is no lasting meaning to be gleened from my liasons with her anyway, and she has made her choices in life.

I have come to realize that I am addicted to her GFE just as if it were a crack cocaine. It is the totality of her responses to me, and her own seemingly sincere sponteneity, based primarily on a form of lust that can only be described as animalistically affectionate, a lust she exhibits in the moment that is not typically found in most pay for play arrangements...and I've seen it all. That is what makes my time with her seem so wonderful. My time with her exceeds my best expectations for any venue I have ever visited, and certainly my time with her goes beyond anything I routinely experience with the girls of Monterrey. It transcends the act and encompasses a seemingly legitimate emotional connection.

When people use the word "love," that encompasses a huge range of definition. Under most normal circumstances, people might think of a love relationship as two people being able to make a life together, two like-minded people that are compatible in their sociology, compatible in their belief systems, etc...you know, people whose commonality make them eligible life partners for each other.

Some people that have that kind of bond get together, and some don't. But, that is the definition of "love" that I believe gets confused when I use it within the context of the feelings I have for my best GFE girls, Angel Girl included.

Well, in contemplating that kind of love, such as what you would routinely find between boyfriend and girlfriend, or husband and wife, I realize just how absurd that seems between me and Angel Girl, or me and any of the rest of them. It is totally, absolutely, ABSURD to the inth degree. Intellectually, I realize there is simply NO compatibility for anything other than what seems to be passionate sex, maybe a lot of passionate affection, maybe a basic kind of companionship, and a very basic level of communication...and that's all.

So, in further analyzing my feelings, and qualifying my former comments, I realize that I am infatuated with a fantasy girl, a dream, an angel and a devil all rolled into one. She is my quintessential fantasy girl all wrapped into one, the ultimate male fantasy incarnate. This girl gives to me from her heart and soul, and fulfills that part of my psyche that craves the full totality of the kind of experience I assume we all enjoy when screwing HOT young girls. She is a master at GFE to the absolute inth degree.

But upon further contemplation, I fully realize that the source of my melancholy over this girl is the intellectual realization about what I don't have in my everyday life. When we visit these venues, and we find the depth of sexual and emotional fulfillment in the moment so easily at our fingertips, it is like the euphoria of serious drug use. I am not a druggy, so I wouldn't directly know, but I find the analogy appropriate in this instance. I am a user and abuser of GFE to the inth degree for a week at a time each month, and the withdrawal from the drug is as painful as it is euphoric upon taking it. That is the source of my sadness. It is remorse for what I can not experience every day of my life.

I also realize, just as a side note, one thing that I find interesting to contempate. After having sampled so many girls over the course of time, if one were to attempt to find such a "delivery" of GFE in a normal girlfriend, one may have to look far and wide, sampling many, many, many girls, and perhaps never actually finding the intensity that is so easily bought by me in Monterrey, and for a pittance in comparison to actually marrying one of them under legitimate circumstances. So, I should consider my find in Angel Girl to be very fortunate indeed, verdad? I can only imagine the futility of looking for a girl to deliver the same under legitimate circumstances.

Those of you that live right in the opium fields are otherwise at ease within the turmoil of our mutual existence, nestled in the comfort of knowing that your relief is just down the corner, just a few miles away, no hotel bills, no travel costs to speak of...Carlos, MillJust, Porker. But, some of us that must wait between visits due to finances, lack of available time, family responsibilities, etc...having to go cold turkey, after feeling the intensity of such a buzz, are a pitiful sight to see...to say the least.

But, in conclusion, I realize that my "love" for this girl has more to do with my own internal emotional voids than has to do with the fulfillment she provides me in the moment. I miss being with her immensely, more than I would miss any other girl in Monterrey, or even any other girl in the world at this juncture...well, maybe there was that one in the PI, and then there was that one in Pattaya, and then there was that one in Cartgena...you get my drift.

As all of you have urged me, I realize the merits of just thinking less about it, making sure that I orchestrate opportunities for me to visit as often as is humanly and financially possible :-), and enjoy the ride.



Man, if I had a peso for every working girl who was going to quit the biz, I'd be able to buy my own chica bar. I haven't met a working girl yet who wasn't quitting the biz within a few months. If these chicas don't get addicted to the lifestyle, they certainly get addicted to the money. When they eventually retire they find that they are back in the real world with no real work skills, little or no education and a social stigma that haunts them; they usually unretire the first time they get their 450 peso salary for their 80 hour work week.

A good test, if you were so inclined, is to take your girl under your wing and give her some money each week so that she could live a decent life without working at the bars. In other words, allow her to retire. In the long run you'd save money because the chica would essentially be "all yours" and you could have her whenever you come to town- No more salidas or chica drinks or taxis to the clubs- you'd have everything at your whim. 600 bucks a month would put her smack dab in the middle class and be plenty to raise a child. (And those 600 dollars would save you money from the usual 1400 dollars that you would spend in a week, club-hopping and bar fining chicas that don't fit your needs.) However, If you would come to town without advance warning, I would hazard a guess that you would still catch her working at the clubs- but I could be wrong.

Anyway, good luck with your Angel Girl. I guess her real motivations are immaterial as long as you're getting the service you like from her. Keep us abreast of the situation even though I know how your story will eventually play out. Whatever the case, have fun while it lasts.

Keep in mind, though, that it's often dangerously faulty logic to take the , "Yes, but my girl is different.." approach to mongering.

Mill

[El Cabron 007]

By Goerge, I think he's got it.

I will hold back from my next comment and will wait until after I see you and you prove it. But for now, weclome back to earth.

Wasted

USB, while you're at it, read my post from ages ago:

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=558306#post558306


As all of you have urged me, I realize the merits of just thinking less about it, making sure that I orchestrate opportunities for me to visit as often as is humanly and financially possible :-), and enjoy the ride.

[Member #3453]

Actually, you will NOT witness me changing my strategy within El Infinito. I have my reasons...I am totally and completely convinced that my tactic there is sound. You have NOT changed my mind in that regard.

But, with respect to all my other options...I am totally open to those opportunitites. When did I say I was not going to have fun if Angel Girl failed me? When? Not once...I only said that I would not change my tactic in El Infinito. And, of course, I threw my little tantrum about not returning to Monterrey in lieu of a better venue, which is probably the smartest thing I could do actually. But, I am all for having fun, continuing to monger on in Monterrey.

I would like to have a shot at Angry Girl again. If that opportunity were to present itself, I "might" consider it. You see, my Angel Girl would be directly threatened by such an eventuality, and I can see where that might just be a useful ploy. Frankly, I think that I can tame Angry Girl again. She was once sweet, and the timing of her evolution should be about right on schedule. I expect the pendulum to start swinging from hardcore back to sweetness pretty soon. I will have to keep my eye on her. Lets see, she has been married for a while now. That means she will be wanting to "come to Daddy" for some real lovin,' verdad?

As for the other girls in El Infinito, short of taking out the girls that are already taken, girls that I do not believe would patronize me for fear of being aced out by their Masters, WastedG, Mr. L, and Carlos, I do not know of any that interest me in El Infinito. Remember, I just spent almost an entire week looking for alternatives...my Angel Girl nowhere in site the entire time.

I even bar fined one of them out from under your noses last week, but I will keep that little end run a secret. Frankly, I was not impressed. She is not one of your regular flock, but you would all know her if I divulged her name. So, you see, I have already practiced what you guys preach, and I was not impressed.

There was even another one that I bar fined, one that works in El Infinito, but she was on loan to Givenchy at the time. I like her ok, but she will need some work. I almost took her out of El Infinito this trip, but decided that she was not trying hard enough to warrant my attention. I made her wait this last trip, even after she started to seem worried that I was not going to take her out. Frankly, I think she is just a little too cold and hardened for my taste, and I will not tolerate that.

As for Angel Girl, well...she will always be my favorite. She holds a substantial place in my heart, sincerely. If she is disingenuous, fine...I am NOT. No change there. She has my undivided attention when available. But availability is the key. It is not up to me with respect to her availability as you guy suggest. It is up to her. Simply, if she is unavailable, I will move to plan B, and a completely different bar, in hopes that she will eventually grow to miss me again. She will not know where I went. I will be as though I am in Colombia. I might as well be if I am spending time away from El Infinito and terrorizing Pasarelas.

Every additional 24 hours gives me a significant edge. I expect to be totally back to normal soon...well, not "normal," but you know what I mean...




By Goerge, I think he's got it.

I will hold back from my next comment and will wait until after I see you and you prove it. But for now, weclome back to earth.

Wasted

USB, while you're at it, read my post from ages ago:

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=558306#post558306

[El Cabron 007]

I think we lost him again.




Actually, you will NOT witness me changing my strategy within El Infinito. I have my reasons...I am totally and completely convinced that my tactic there is sound. You have NOT changed my mind in that regard.

But, with respect to all my other options...I am totally open to those opportunitites. When did I say I was not going to have fun if Angel Girl failed me? When? Not once...I only said that I would not change my tactic in El Infinito. And, of course, I threw my little tantrum about not returning to Monterrey in lieu of a better venue, which is probably the smartest thing I could do actually. But, I am all for having fun, continuing to monger on in Monterrey.

I would like to have a shot at Angry Girl again. If that opportunity were to present itself, I "might" consider it. You see, my Angel Girl would be directly threatened by such an eventuality, and I can see where that might just be a useful ploy. Frankly, I think that I can tame Angry Girl again. She was once sweet, and the timing of her evolution should be about right on schedule. I expect the pendulum to start swinging from hardcore back to sweetness pretty soon. I will have to keep my eye on her. Lets see, she has been married for a while now. That means she will be wanting to "come to Daddy" for some real lovin,' verdad?

As for the other girls in El Infinito, short of taking out the girls that are already taken, girls that I do not believe would patronize me for fear of being aced out by their Masters, WastedG, Larry, and Carlos, I do not know of any that interest me in El Infinito. Remember, I just spent almost an entire week looking for alternatives...my Angel Girl nowhere in site the entire time.

I even bar fined one of them out from under your noses last week, but I will keep that little end run a secret. Frankly, I was not impressed. She is not one of your regular flock, but you would all know her if I divulged her name. So, you see, I have already practiced what you guys preach, and I was not impressed.

There was even another one that I bar fined, one that works in El Infinito, but she was on loan to Givenchy at the time. I like her ok, but she will need some work. I almost took her out of El Infinito this trip, but decided that she was not trying hard enough to warrant my attention. I made her wait this last trip, even after she started to seem worried that I was not going to take her out. Frankly, I think she is just a little too cold and hardened for my taste, and I will not tolerate that.

As for Angel Girl, well...she will always be my favorite. She holds a substantial place in my heart, sincerely. If she is disingenuous, fine...I am NOT. No change there. She has my undivided attention when available. But availability is the key. It is not up to me with respect to her availability as you guy suggest. It is up to her. Simply, if she is unavailable, I will move to plan B, and completely different bar, in hopes that she will eventually grow to miss me again. She will not know where I went. I will be as though I am in Colombia. I might as well be if I am spending time away from El Infinito and terrorizing Pasarelas.

Every additional 24 hours gives me a significant edge. I expect to be totally back to normal soon...well, not "normal," but you know what I mean...

[Member #3453]

I've concluded that the strategy promoted by some with respect to how I should conduct myself in El Infinito with respect to Angel Girl and playing her off against other girls will simply not serve "MY" best interests. So, my decision is final.


I think we lost him again.

[Member #3453]

Actually, no MJ...you DO NOT win a prize :-) Nice try...but no Ciiiiigar. We do not have sufficient money in the ISG budget to be giving prizes away.

But, as your consulation prize, I will reveal that, to a certain extent, you are right in the sense that I like the treatment some of them give that suggests they are legitimately glad to be there, and not just there entirely for the money.

Some are better than others at conveying that attitude, some I believe with sincerity. And with some, I believe they actually wanted to be there in addition to the money. That's what I am looking for. I don't have the time on the ground for a real girlfriend in Mexico.

But, frankly, if I lived there like you do, that would be my preference, with a little extra-curricular fun on the side sprinkled into the mix. So, what is your excuse...you don't like a girlfriend...what? I am curious actually because, frankly, I have always fantasized that if I lived in Mexico it would be sooooo easy to find a HOT young girlfriend, given that I am a gringo, and have lots of dinero, at least comparatively. Maybe you prefer the variety, and a girlfriend will only slow you down. If so, I guess that's understandable. But, for me, it seems that having a girlfriend if living in Mexico, even at my age, would be so easy. That is what really impresses me. Were I to attempt such a thing in the US, I would be totally shot down. But, it does not seem so in Mexico.

But, honestly, if I lived there, I would be looking for, and finding, a girl that meets all the same kinds of description as my Angel Girl...well, maybe with a prettier face, but generally a girl of the exact same GFE behaviors as she. But, truth be known, her face make me feel really good inside when I gaze upon it. I guess it goes with the package, and that's absolutely the best I have ever experienced. I think I have imprinted on her.

MillJust says...

"I just can't for the life of me see how an experience so tense and full of jealousies and uncertainties on your part can be rewarding. What with all the drama, it's like having a real girlfriend. I like to live the dream and not just go from one frustrating reality to another with so many potential ups and downs...but c'est la vie. To each his own and more power to ya."

I don't set out to be tortured as a result of my mongering. I am really NOT jealous, nor do I have any uncertainties about her activities, nor do I really experience much drama as a result while I am not there. I don't have those unrealistic expectations for her behavior. I fully realize what she is. And, while my writings might suggest I am a tortured soul, I am also quite dramatic, sometimes for literary effect, and sometimes literally. But, if I am overly dramatic literally, suggesting I am tormented, I usually snap out of it relatively soon.

I am only tormented by behaviors that jerk me around. There is only drama when she promises to do something, or to be somewhere, and she does not show up, or she cancels out on me after I have cleared the docket for her. She is really very good about calling me if she can't come, etc...So, she has learned well that I am not happy when I can't see her when I am planning activities that include her.

I have analyzed other factors that torture me, and it is when I am back home and realizing that I do not have access to that HOT body of hers, along with all the sincerity of affection, and all that comes with it, all on a regular basis.

So, in that respect, mongering tortures me. But, I am not tortured by girls that are merely good GFE. I certainly think about them, and enjoy them in the moment, but I don't come back in a funk over them. This one is special compared to most, and there has only been a few out of hundreds that occupy that distinction in my psyche.

I agree that the girls of SEA do not really appeal to me as much as the Latinas appeal to me. That is why I continue to return to Mexico. But, the girls are so much more easily available, that the amount of work that one has to do to achieve the same end result that you routinely get in Mexico is reduced considerably to almost nothing in SEA.

MillJust says...

"You just have to know how to play the game." referring to mongering in Mexico.

My point about SEA is that you do not have to even know how to play the game. There is no game to play. It is that simple. And that is the appeal to it. But, you are right, "26" hours on a plane, and the time required to make it all happen, at least two weeks, if not more, IS sometimes a high price to pay. But, there is really NO frustration factor associated with SEA.

MillJust says...

"frying pan-faced, broomstick bodied Asian girl"

There may be some that meet that description, but there are many more that will rock your world, and with the same attributes as any Latina. Honestly, per capita with respect to available pros, you will find more hotties in Asia than you will find working in Mexico, many more.

However, I subscribe to your preferences for Mexican girls over Asian Girls, generally speaking. My complaint with respect to Asia will sound racist, but I always found that after a week or so, the girls take on kind of a cookie-cutter appearance. They all start to look alike to me, especially in Thailand, to a slightly lesser degree in the PI, although still a hint of that, and almost to a non-existent degree in Indonesia. That cookie-cutter look is not something I notice when mongering in Mexico.

But, what I do notice much more in Mexico among the selection is "FAT." You will not find "FAT" in Thailand. You will find some "FAT" in the PI. If you like little brown skinned spinners, you will be in HOG HEAVEN in Thailand.

I think that the girls of Mexico, with some work, can be more desireable than Asian girls so I prefer them just as you do, primarily because language more easily facilitates GFE. But, I also like flaca morenas the best. So, within the Asian theater, and especially in Thailand, you can find more of that look with significantly less work. I will agree that in Asia, specifically Thailand, the only thing really lacking with respect to curves is that the Mexican girls have wider hips. Don't mis-understand, the Thai girls have asses to die for, but so do the HOT mexicanas, until they get too FAT. Thai girls never get FAT.

With respect to Indonesia, I found the girls to be very similar to Mexican girls, same hip displacement, variable range of looks, etc...But, there is the language issue to have to deal with.

Ok, you convinced me. I will try to continue to "play the game" in Mexico.

Guys...don't read too much into my commentary here or in my PMs to you. I am not nearly as tormented as my writings seem to suggest. I have a very comfortable life back in the USA, and I am thankful that I can monger around substantially compared to most. For that, I am eternally greatful. I am in a slight funk for the first several days after coming back from Monterrey, missing my best GFE girl, but with each passing day, my sensibilities normalize, and I begin to look to the future with anticipation. Life is good.





With all due respect, Uno, I think I have you pegged and let me know if I'm 100%.

Most of us see GFE as passionate sex with a chica who really seems passionate about the sex and foreplay, etc...(among other attributes). Uno sees GFE as all of the above characteristics, but that the chica in the GFE actually BE his girlfriend. Am I right? Do I win a prize?

Whatever the case, have fun. Sometimes an illusion is just as sweet as the reality. I just can't for the life of me see how an experience so tense and full of jealousies and uncertainties on your part can be rewarding. What with all the drama, it's like having a real girlfriend. I like to live the dream and not just go from one frustrating reality to another with so many potential ups and downs...but c'est la vie. To each his own and more power to ya.

On a side note, I have a monger friend who stops down in Morelia several times a year and we always share war stories and grab a handful of chicas (long time lurker on this board who I will soon force at gunpoint to become a contributing member). He is constantly going on and on about Southeast Asia, much like some of you guys do.

Personally, SEA holds 0 interest for me. I don't care how easy the girls are or how accomodating they are, I refuse to travel 24hrs by plane, on the other side of the world to hook up with a frying pan-faced, broomstick bodied Asian girl. Give me a succulent latina over a matchstick-looking Asian any day of the week.

Everything you want, by way of chicas can be had in Mexico. You just have to know how to play the game. Mexico really has the most realistic GFE- complete with all the power plays, head trips and drama of having a real girlfriend....But 7 years and counting and I'm still loving it!

If this is a dream, please don't let me ever pinch myself...

Mill

[MonterreyDude]

USB: I agree with Mill... he got it right on the nose.

Mill: You should have come to Mty. You would have been a witness. But anyway, you got it right, no matter what the man says.
By the way, I agree with you assesment of SEA girls.
Can I be a little harsh here? Mill will agree with me that Mexican girls have "clase" (as the word is used here in Mexico and that Mill will understand). That places them above anything you can find in SEA.




Actually, no MJ...you DO NOT win a prize :-) Nice try...but no Ciiiiigar. We do not have sufficient money in the ISG budget to be giving prizes away.

But, as your consulation prize, I will reveal that, to a certain extent, you are right in the sense that I like the treatment some of them give that suggests they are legitimately glad to be there, and not just there entirely for the money.

Some are better than others at conveying that attitude, some I believe with sincerity. And with some, I believe they actually wanted to be there in addition to the money. That's what I am looking for. I don't have the time on the ground for a real girlfriend in Mexico.

But, frankly, if I lived there like you do, that would be my preference, with a little extra-curricular fun on the side sprinkled into the mix. So, what is your excuse...you don't like a girlfriend...what? I am curious actually because, frankly, I have always fantasized that if I lived in Mexico it would be sooooo easy to find a HOT young girlfriend, given that I am a gringo, and have lots of dinero, at least comparatively. Maybe you prefer the variety, and a girlfriend will only slow you down. If so, I guess that's understandable. But, for me, it seems that having a girlfriend if living in Mexico, even at my age, would be so easy. That is what really impresses me. Were I to attempt such a thing in the US, I would be totally shot down. But, it does not seem so in Mexico.

But, honestly, if I lived there, I would be looking for, and finding, a girl that meets all the same kinds of description as my Angel Girl...well, maybe with a prettier face, but generally a girl of the exact same GFE behaviors as she. But, truth be known, her face make me feel really good inside when I gaze upon it. I guess it goes with the package, and that's absolutely the best I have ever experienced. I think I have imprinted on her.

MillJust says...

"I just can't for the life of me see how an experience so tense and full of jealousies and uncertainties on your part can be rewarding. What with all the drama, it's like having a real girlfriend. I like to live the dream and not just go from one frustrating reality to another with so many potential ups and downs...but c'est la vie. To each his own and more power to ya."

I don't set out to be tortured as a result of my mongering. I am really NOT jealous, nor do I have any uncertainties about her activities, nor do I really experience much drama as a result while I am not there. I don't have those unrealistic expectations for her behavior. I fully realize what she is. And, while my writings might suggest I am a tortured soul, I am also quite dramatic, sometimes for literary effect, and sometimes literally. But, if I am overly dramatic literally, suggesting I am tormented, I usually snap out of it relatively soon.

I am only tormented by behaviors that jerk me around. There is only drama when she promises to do something, or to be somewhere, and she does not show up, or she cancels out on me after I have cleared the docket for her. She is really very good about calling me if she can't come, etc...So, she has learned well that I am not happy when I can't see her when I am planning activities that include her.

I have analyzed other factors that torture me, and it is when I am back home and realizing that I do not have access to that HOT body of hers, along with all the sincerity of affection, and all that comes with it, all on a regular basis.

So, in that respect, mongering tortures me. But, I am not tortured by girls that are merely good GFE. I certainly think about them, and enjoy them in the moment, but I don't come back in a funk over them. This one is special compared to most, and there has only been a few out of hundreds that occupy that distinction in my psyche.

I agree that the girls of SEA do not really appeal to me as much as the Latinas appeal to me. That is why I continue to return to Mexico. But, the girls are so much more easily available, that the amount of work that one has to do to achieve the same end result that you routinely get in Mexico is reduced considerably to almost nothing in SEA.

MillJust says...

"You just have to know how to play the game." referring to mongering in Mexico.

My point about SEA is that you do not have to even know how to play the game. There is no game to play. It is that simple. And that is the appeal to it. But, you are right, "26" hours on a plane, and the time required to make it all happen, at least two weeks, if not more, IS sometimes a high price to pay. But, there is really NO frustration factor associated with SEA.

MillJust says...

"frying pan-faced, broomstick bodied Asian girl"

There may be some that meet that description, but there are many more that will rock your world, and with the same attributes as any Latina. Honestly, per capita with respect to available pros, you will find more hotties in Asia than you will find working in Mexico, many more.

However, I subscribe to your preferences for Mexican girls over Asian Girls, generally speaking. My complaint with respect to Asia will sound racist, but I always found that after a week or so, the girls take on kind of a cookie-cutter appearance. They all start to look alike to me, especially in Thailand, to a slightly lesser degree in the PI, although still a hint of that, and almost to a non-existent degree in Indonesia. That cookie-cutter look is not something I notice when mongering in Mexico.

But, what I do notice much more in Mexico among the selection is "FAT." You will not find "FAT" in Thailand. You will find some "FAT" in the PI. If you like little brown skinned spinners, you will be in HOG HEAVEN in Thailand.

I think that the girls of Mexico, with some work, can be more desireable than Asian girls so I prefer them just as you do, primarily because language more easily facilitates GFE. But, I also like flaca morenas the best. So, within the Asian theater, and especially in Thailand, you can find more of that look with significantly less work. I will agree that in Asia, specifically Thailand, the only thing really lacking with respect to curves is that the Mexican girls have wider hips. Don't mis-understand, the Thai girls have asses to die for, but so do the HOT mexicanas, until they get too FAT. Thai girls never get FAT.

With respect to Indonesia, I found the girls to be very similar to Mexican girls, same hip displacement, variable range of looks, etc...But, there is the language issue to have to deal with.

Ok, you convinced me. I will try to continue to "play the game" in Mexico.

Guys...don't read too much into my commentary here or in my PMs to you. I am not nearly as tormented as my writings seem to suggest. I have a very comfortable life back in the USA, and I am thankful that I can monger around substantially compared to most. For that, I am eternally greatful. I am in a slight funk for the first several days after coming back from Monterrey, missing my best GFE girl, but with each passing day, my sensibilities normalize, and I begin to look to the future with anticipation. Life is good.

[Member #3453]

So, doesn't "clase" mean the same thing as "class" in English? If not, Carlos and/or Mill, please make the distinction. Actually, MillJust might have a better grasp of how that word might correlate to an English equivalent, him being from the US and having all that US born and bread context to draw upon.

I use that word to describe my "J" girl at Prestige (not to be confused with WastedG's Lady J). When I told my "J" girl she had "clase" I meant it to mean she has "class," and according to my WEBSTER's AMERICAN/SPANISH Dictionario, it has equivalent meaning to the Spanish word "clase." She seemed impressed with my telling her that. At least, she did not act as though I hold just told her she stinks.

But, I have visited Mexico long enough to realize that true definitions of translated words, even words with similar root construction based on the original latin, have significant influence upon them from Mexican sociological influences that make the true meaning in Spanish different than what we would interpret it to be in the US.

"Class," for me, means that a girl has a refined look and manner about her that makes her appear to be of a higher social position. Meaning her choice of clothes, her hair style, her make-up, her demeanor, the way she stands, etc...all make her appear to have a refinement that is usually indicative of the wealthier, higher classes.

With respect to my wanting a "girlfriend," I can agree with your assessment if you want to define it as in the "SEA" sense, where a girl will latch onto you and stick around, be available for your every whim, and be appreciative of the opportunity to spend time with you with little more no regard for overall cost. Then, yes, I agree that a "girlfriend" is what I am looking for...I call it sincere GFE.

My problem is...I realize I am trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear in most cases, looking for sincere GFE among a bunch of hookers in Mexico. I think I may have found it to an extent with Angel Girl, and maybe even to an possibly lesser extent with both Pasarelas girls, although it is too soon to tell with the Pasarelas girls.

I guess you are both telling me that I CAN NOT get that in Mexico. Of course, I already knew that. I can not find in Mexico, what I know first hand I can easily find in Asia, like falling off a log.

I am suprised you guys would admit such things about Mexico. Uhmmm...???




USB: I agree with Mill... he got it right on the nose.

Mill: You should have come to Mty. You would have been a witness. But anyway, you got it right, no matter what the man says.
By the way, I agree with you assesment of SEA girls.
Can I be a little harsh here? Mill will agree with me that Mexican girls have "clase" (as the word is used here in Mexico and that Mill will understand). That places them above anything you can find in SEA.

[Member #3453]

Very interesting...so, you think I should make Angel Girl believe that I have all these other girls because, in reality, she wants a Cabron, and that if I do this I will get even better GFE from her.

Notice I said, "better GFE" and not "better service." Of course, that is what WastedG and Carlos seem to believe as well. She could not provide better GFE or service than she does, but lets assume that a change in my strategy might improve her availability. I might be willing to consider a change in strategy if I were able to make her availability improve. Remember, her service and GFE is "perfection" in the inth degree already.

First, Angel Girl thinks that I must have other girlfriends. She regularly brings it up, almost like she thinks my desire to see only her must all be a lie. So, from my perspective, she has the idea that I AM active without her anyway, that I must be a Cabron, even when I assure her that she is my exclusive girl in Monterrey, and that the only reason I return to Monterrey is to see her, and her only. To a certain extent, I am telling her the truth, notwithstanding my enjoyment at seeing mis amigos, Carlos, Porker, Grady, WastedG, and Mr. L, and all the other relatively infrequent amigos too numerous to mention, etc...Honestly, I'm telling her the truth when I pledge my alegiance because, were it not for logistics alone, there are far better venues that are MUCH CHEAPER. I prefer to be with Angel Girl far more than any of the others. And, provided she has to be at work a couple nights a week, I am free to have fun with other girls that are second string. But, basically, I am motivated to return to Monterrey to see her. I have tried so many others out, that I would simply prefer to be with her...well, maybe working in Pasarelas girl #1 too, and maybe other Pasarelas girl #2 as well on an off night. But, mainly, I am coming back to Monterrey to see my Angel Girl.

She regularly expresses her skepticism that I do not have a girl back in the States, and I think she believes I am probably seeing other girls when she is not available. Fact is, she once told me that she believes all men are Cabrones. I doubt she believes I am not active in her absence. So, isn't that having the same general effect if in fact being a Cabron is turning her on? She has regularlly told me she wants to find a man that is faithful to her. I guess she doesn't really know what she wants then.

Of course, seeing only Angel Girl is not what I do. I follow the advice of mis amigos by cultivating all of my options, advise that I also subscribe to 100%. But, where I question their strategy is to flaunt my other optional activities in front of her face. But then, my goal is different that that of Carlos and WastedG. I am attempting to maximize GFE with Angel Girl, regardless of her own extra-curricular activities, which she denies to me with a straight face and total sincerity. Do I believe her? Who knows??? Who Cares??? It does add to the quality of overall GFE with her for me to think so. But, realistically, do I believe she is faithful to me...In a word, NO!

But, I know one thing...when she is not around, I am still having all kinds of fun otherwise too. So, I am a Cabron in reality, right? I am a Cabron to the inth degree because I am seeing other girls, married, and lying to her about all of it. So, theoretically, she should be really turned on by the prospect of such a Cabron such as I.

Of course, conversely, I openly followed the Cabron strategy with Angry girl too, publicly demonstrating to her that I AM seeing other girls, and look where it has gotten me with her...completely cut-off.

I don't dismiss your comments MJ. I find them enlightening, and consistent with what Carlos and WastedG are saying. But, at the same time, I am skeptical that one strategy is always applicable across the board 100% if I am trying to attain my brand of GFE, which is admittedly unique.

Frankly, I think that playing the Cabron IS the adviseable strategy within the confines of pay for play only, where pay for play is the single disireable outcome. But, surely, if I am attempting to obtain sincere GFE from this girl, and if I might be satisfied seeing her exclusively when I visit Monterrey, pro or not, that strategy is not probably always going to be the optimum one.

Because, if all women wanted Cabrones, all the legitimate girls out there would be looking for men who screw around on them. And that, IMHO, is not a behavior I have ever witnessed, not from any member of the female sex, regardless of culture and/or nationality.


I think the service you want is readily available in Mexico. I get it all the time and never suffer from a lack of sex, dinner companions or dates.

To use terms that Carlos will surely understand and if you don't, let me know. Mexican women, especially of the socio-economic level of most working girls, don't want a mandilon (pussy-whipped, for lack of a better term); they want a guy who is a bit of a cabron. A guy will fit into the macho stereotype that many women find attractive here. Even wealthier, more refined women have a general distaste for guys that aren't "real" men.

In my case, the little gifts and thoughtful gestures got me used more than loved. It wasn't until I became more of a cabron that I started hauling in the GFE chicas. Sure, before, as Miller the Mandilon I got decent sessions, but Miller the Cabron got GFE-a-plenty.

Part of being the cabron is to make sure that every chica you're with knows that she is probably not the only one. Mexican working girls do get lazy, but only if you let them or only if they see no real reason to give you good service.

And with regard to Carlos' use of the term "clase," I believe in the Mexican context its more like personal dignity and not acting in a way that disgraces your personal dignity. A chica with no "clase" will be all over a guy, basically like a lap dog. A chica with "clase" will make you earn her affection over a period of time.

And referring to legit girlfriends in Mexico- yes, I've had quite a few. Usually, when I find a "legit" girlfriend I take a break from mongering. But non-pro Mexicanas can be very mercenary too. I was recently dating a very hot non-pro chica (5ft2, 36 c chest and very little body fat), but she was pushing things way too fast, trying to get married and have kids. Just from my own personal experiences, I've found many legit chicas way too eager to latch onto a gringo and get out of their personal situations. YMMV. Working girls, on the other hand, are very blatant with what they want- and that makes them a lot easier to deal with. But I definitely hope to settle down with a Mexicana some day...just let me get the craziness and lust out of my system first. ;)

Mill

[El Cabron 007]

I was about to say how many of us lust over girls we see on TV that are screwing other men? But I'll make it even simpler... Aren't YOU lusting over a girl who services men every working minute of her life?

You are holding the wrong end of the stick Bob.

Wasted


Very interesting...so, you think I should ....

Because, if all women wanted Cabrones, all the legitimate girls out there would be looking for men who screw around on them. And that, IMHO, is not a behavior I have ever witnessed, not from any member of the female sex, regardless of culture and/or nationality.

[Member #3453]

But, what is the difference between my lusting after Angel Girl, having something cool with my stripper friend, and your lusting after your girls. No difference.

Angel Girl calls the two of us "amigos romanticos." I assume that definition has a meaning that means we are "involved" but not really novio/novia, but something more than my just being her cliente and she being my hooker.

That is a distinction she draws because she knows we have no expectation for anything legit. She knows there is no future, but she knows that what we experience together is more than just p4p. That is fine with me, and that's what I seek, intimacy with my friend. Things are perfect when I am with her. Period. I know what she does every day for a living. So what??? It doesn't change a thing. I love her as a special person, and by all indications, she feels the same way. Money changes hands, but not always, and she gives me a hell of a lot more than what is expected for the going rate. So, I hope to see her for as long as I can. If she loses interest, there are always other options. But, for now, I prefer to see her exclusively if she is available.

It really isn't that complicated. I have no expectations for any legitimacy with her, and neither does she. But, between us, in the moment, there is more than I have ever experienced before in Monterrey, or anywhere else in the World.

I don't mean for it to seem so complicated, or to create such controvery, or to make it appear that I am naive. It's just that I like being with her over all the others...and I have been with a LOT of others. It isn't like I am new to the game, ot that I have only been with a few girls. I know the range of quality to expect in Monterrey, and she far surpasses it, at least with me.


I was about to say how many of us lust over girls we see on TV that are screwing other men? But I'll make it even simpler... Aren't YOU lusting over a girl who services men every working minute of her life?

You are holding the wrong end of the stick Bob.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

Let us see...
USB says: Very interesting...so, you think I should make Angel Girl believe that I have all these other girls because, in reality, she wants a Cabron, and that if I do this I will get even better GFE from her.

I say: She won't believe you. She has already measured you as a customer and a friend. She won't believe a change in heart. She won't even notice the difference.
This has to do with new girls, not old girls that already know you.


USB says: Notice I said, "better GFE" and not "better service." Of course, that is what WastedG and Carlos seem to believe as well. She could not provide better GFE or service than she does, but lets assume that a change in my strategy might improve her availability. I might be willing to consider a change in strategy if I were able to make her availability improve. Remember, her service and GFE is "perfection" in the inth degree already.

I say: Too late for that.

USB says: First, Angel Girl thinks that I must have other girlfriends. She regularly brings it up, almost like she thinks my desire to see only her must all be a lie. So, from my perspective, she has the idea that I AM active without her anyway, that I must be a Cabron, even when I assure her that she is my exclusive girl in Monterrey, and that the only reason I return to Monterrey is to see her, and her only. To a certain extent, I am telling her the truth, notwithstanding my enjoyment at seeing mis amigos, Carlos, Porker, Grady, WastedG, and Mr. L, and all the other relatively infrequent amigos too numerous to mention, etc...Honestly, I'm telling her the truth when I pledge my alegiance because, were it not for logistics alone, there are far better venues that are MUCH CHEAPER. I prefer to be with Angel Girl far more than any of the others. And, provided she has to be at work a couple nights a week, I am free to have fun with other girls that are second string. But, basically, I am motivated to return to Monterrey to see her. I have tried so many others out, that I would simply prefer to be with her...well, maybe working in Pasarelas girl #1 too, and maybe other Pasarelas girl #2 as well on an off night. But, mainly, I am coming back to Monterrey to see my Angel Girl.

I say: this is a mess of contraditions. What you do or not do here is not of her consquences. You are to tell her that you come here only for her, but without asking for her permission (cause that is what you are doing) go for others.
What I do (telling the girls what I do at other clubs in the sense that Iam impossing my rules on them) takes a little agresiveness I think you are not capable right now of doing (but you have already started... remember? the cookies, no cookies for the girls).

USB says: She regularly expresses her skepticism that I do not have a girl back in the States, and I think she believes I am probably seeing other girls when she is not available. Fact is, she once told me that she believes all men are Cabrones. I doubt she believes I am not active in her absence. So, isn't that having the same general effect if in fact being a Cabron is turning her on? She has regularlly told me she wants to find a man that is faithful to her. I guess she doesn't really know what she wants then.

I say: again, what you do or not do, specially at home, is none of her business and I believe that Wasted and me never let the girls wade deep in our personal stuff. I always cut them short beyond asking me if am married with children.


USB says: Of course, seeing only Angel Girl is not what I do. I follow the advice of mis amigos by cultivating all of my options, advise that I also subscribe to 100%. But, where I question their strategy is to flaunt my other optional activities in front of her face. But then, my goal is different that that of Carlos and WastedG. I am attempting to maximize GFE with Angel Girl, regardless of her own extra-curricular activities, which she denies to me with a straight face and total sincerity. Do I believe her? Who knows??? Who Cares??? It does add to the quality of overall GFE with her for me to think so. But, realistically, do I believe she is faithful to me...In a word, NO!

I say: I think you are making a mistake. You are trying to make her skip from "A" to "C" without going thru "B". I know you are making a mistake. You are trying to have her on your side paying regular rate. To a working club girl that represents that she might be losing money she could earn at the club. Whatever you think right now she is still a working club girl and you are not taking that as you should.


USB Says: But, I know one thing...when she is not around, I am still having all kinds of fun otherwise too. So, I am a Cabron in reality, right? I am a Cabron to the inth degree because I am seeing other girls, married, and lying to her about all of it. So, theoretically, she should be really turned on by the prospect of such a Cabron such as I.
Of course, conversely, I openly followed the Cabron strategy with Angry girl too, publicly demonstrating to her that I AM seeing other girls, and look where it has gotten me with her...completely cut-off.

I say: That is, cause they don't care. You cut them off without stablishing yourself as the proverbial Cabron we are talking about.
And even if you turn into a Cabron, Angry Girl will not pay attention to you...
May I ask, why the hell are you wasting so much time STILL thinking on her???

[Member #3453]

Carlos Says...I say: She won't believe you. She has already measured you as a customer and a friend. She won't believe a change in heart. She won't even notice the difference. This has to do with new girls, not old girls that already know you."

I think you are right...she already loves me, knows me, and she knows I am not a "BASTARD" of the MillJust description...sorry, don't mean to imply the pun again Mill.

Carlos Says..."I say: Too late for that."

So, what would you have me do...drop her for some starfish at Casino??? Uhmmmm??? :-) I am already cultivating other girls with my Cabron like behavior, verdad???

Besides, for one thing, I suspect the girls at Prestige were put on notice by a little Carlitos whispering in their ears, telling them that I am NOT Fuckin' happy with them and their attitudes. I probably have you to thank for that...so, Thank You.

But, perhaps my absence for two months made somewhat of an impression on them as well. One of the first things out of my girl "J's" mouth when she came over to me was, "why have you been away so long?"

I just told her that none of them were worth a shit, and that I didn't feel like coming back, and that there would be NO MORE FUCKIN" COOKIES. I was a real FUCKIN" CABRON BASTARD of the MIllJust description :-) Fortunately, for my health, she does not speak English. hahahaha :-) But, literally, staying away that length of time seemed to really make more of an impression at Prestige than anywhere else. I found that very interesting, and it is one reason I bought six drinks for my "J" girl over the course of two days. At least she noticed I was missing, and made a big deal over it.

But, really, in all seriousness, staying away from Monterrey seemed to have more of a positive effect for me than going there regularly. Maybe I should be a real Cabron and say "FUCKEM.". Maybe it would be better to take a long vacation from Monterrey...travel to other venues, maybe with Mr. G to Medellin, go back to Cartegena and San Jose a few times. I even received a special fare today from EVA and can fly to Bangkok for about $1100 in July. I mean, SHIT, it costs me $500 to fly to Monterrey, and at least three times the nightly cost for hotel accomodations compared to Pattaya. So...watch it!!!

Carlos Says..."I say: this is a mess of contraditions. What you do or not do here is not of her consquences. You are to tell her that you come here only for her, but without asking for her permission (cause that is what you are doing) go for others. What I do (telling the girls what I do at other clubs in the sense that I am impossing my rules on them) takes a little aggresiveness I think you are not capable right now of doing (but you have already started... remember? the cookies, no cookies for the girls)."

Again, I am capable of being the "BASTARD" or a "CABRON" or even Tony Saprano if that's what will make me successful. But, frankly, I do not believe that such a tactic will yield what "I" want from them. I want sincere GFE, all you guys want is depraved and indifferent, meaningless, mechanical, sex. Shit, I can find good sex in Monterrey with NO PROBLEM...But, I want MORE!!!

Carlos says..."I say: again, what you do or not do, specially at home, is none of her business and I believe that Wasted and me never let the girls wade deep in our personal stuff. I always cut them short beyond asking me if am married with children."

I was merely pointing out in my former post how much, in actuality, of a "CABRON" I really am by pointing out how I am married, having girls here and there, etc...I am proud to say that I am most assuredly, at least, a Cabron in Sheep's Clothing...But, of course, none of my girls knows my personal circumstances, nor will they ever unless somebody blabs.

USB says: Of course, seeing only Angel Girl is not what I do. I follow the advice of mis amigos by cultivating all of my options, advise that I also subscribe to 100%. But, where I question their strategy is to flaunt my other optional activities in front of her face. But then, my goal is different that that of Carlos and WastedG. I am attempting to maximize GFE with Angel Girl, regardless of her own extra-curricular activities, which she denies to me with a straight face and total sincerity. Do I believe her? Who knows??? Who Cares??? It does add to the quality of overall GFE with her for me to think so. But, realistically, do I believe she is faithful to me...In a word, NO!

Carlos Says "I say: I think you are making a mistake. You are trying to make her skip from "A" to "C" without going thru "B". I know you are making a mistake. You are trying to have her on your side paying regular rate. To a working club girl that represents that she might be losing money she could earn at the club. Whatever you think right now she is still a working club girl and you are not taking that as you should."

This needs more clarification. I don't understand the point of this paragraph...rewrite it, and submit it to me for a grade in the morning or you do not pass this course.

USB Says: But, I know one thing...when she is not around, I am still having all kinds of fun otherwise too. So, I am a Cabron in reality, right? I am a Cabron to the inth degree because I am seeing other girls, married, and lying to her about all of it. So, theoretically, she should be really turned on by the prospect of such a Cabron such as I.
Of course, conversely, I openly followed the Cabron strategy with Angry girl too, publicly demonstrating to her that I AM seeing other girls, and look where it has gotten me with her...completely cut-off.

Carlos Says "I say: That is, cause they don't care. You cut them off without stablishing yourself as the proverbial Cabron we are talking about.
And even if you turn into a Cabron, Angry Girl will not pay attention to you...
May I ask, why the hell are you wasting so much time STILL thinking on her???"

I am thinking about Angry Girl because WastedG says she is still asking about me when all she does is try to make me believe she hates me. I find that intellectually interesting, and kind of HOT!!!! :-) Verdad!!!

[MonterreyDude]

In the working girl business, what's done is done.
If you've been through one girl and either she cut you lose or you cut her lose, there is no coming back again.
The bonds that tie you are first monetary and then sentimental.
That is an axiom that tend to ignore my friend.
You are dealing with girls that want money over anything else and that is a rule you also disregard.
You want to win over girls with a Cabron attitude without considering said rule and axiom.
Both Wasted and me operate thinking in a parallel way that we like such and such girl, but at the same time considering the economics of the situation.
The Cabron attitude is only face value, theatricals to control the girls on the superficial level.
Deep down they will not do a single thing with us or anyone else, unless money passes hands.
I have had instances of club girls that want to have sex with me as a diversion or just for the sake of a quickie, or just cause they like me, but even if they want it, they will not do it for free not even if they are my die hard friends.
And I think you have learned this the hard way and still you refuse to accept it as the norm.
This is also is disrupting your way of thinking when you come to Monterrey.






Carlos Says...I say: She won't believe you. She has already measured you as a customer and a friend. She won't believe a change in heart. She won't even notice the difference. This has to do with new girls, not old girls that already know you."

I think you are right...she already loves me, knows me, and she knows I am not a "BASTARD" of the MillJust description...sorry, don't mean to imply the pun again Mill.

Carlos Says..."I say: Too late for that."

So, what would you have me do...drop her for some starfish at Casino??? Uhmmmm??? :-) I am already cultivating other girls with my Cabron like behavior, verdad???

Besides, for one thing, I suspect the girls at Prestige were put on notice by a little Carlitos whispering in their ears, telling them that I am NOT Fuckin' happy with them and their attitudes. I probably have you to thank for that...so, Thank You.

But, perhaps my absence for two months made somewhat of an impression on them as well. One of the first things out of my girl "J's" mouth when she came over to me was, "why have you been away so long?"

I just told her that none of them were worth a shit, and that I didn't feel like coming back, and that there would be NO MORE FUCKIN" COOKIES. I was a real FUCKIN" CABRON BASTARD of the MIllJust description :-) Fortunately, for my health, she does not speak English. hahahaha :-) But, literally, staying away that length of time seemed to really make more of an impression at Prestige than anywhere else. I found that very interesting, and it is one reason I bought six drinks for my "J" girl over the course of two days. At least she noticed I was missing, and made a big deal over it.

But, really, in all seriousness, staying away from Monterrey seemed to have more of a positive effect for me than going there regularly. Maybe I should be a real Cabron and say "FUCKEM.". Maybe it would be better to take a long vacation from Monterrey...travel to other venues, maybe with Mr. G to Medellin, go back to Cartegena and San Jose a few times. I even received a special fare today from EVA and can fly to Bangkok for about $1100 in July. I mean, SHIT, it costs me $500 to fly to Monterrey, and at least three times the nightly cost for hotel accomodations compared to Pattaya. So...watch it!!!

Carlos Says..."I say: this is a mess of contraditions. What you do or not do here is not of her consquences. You are to tell her that you come here only for her, but without asking for her permission (cause that is what you are doing) go for others. What I do (telling the girls what I do at other clubs in the sense that I am impossing my rules on them) takes a little aggresiveness I think you are not capable right now of doing (but you have already started... remember? the cookies, no cookies for the girls)."

Again, I am capable of being the "BASTARD" or a "CABRON" or even Tony Saprano if that's what will make me successful. But, frankly, I do not believe that such a tactic will yield what "I" want from them. I want sincere GFE, all you guys want is depraved and indifferent, meaningless, mechanical, sex. Shit, I can find good sex in Monterrey with NO PROBLEM...But, I want MORE!!!

Carlos says..."I say: again, what you do or not do, specially at home, is none of her business and I believe that Wasted and me never let the girls wade deep in our personal stuff. I always cut them short beyond asking me if am married with children."

I was merely pointing out in my former post how much, in actuality, of a "CABRON" I really am by pointing out how I am married, having girls here and there, etc...I am proud to say that I am most assuredly, at least, a Cabron in Sheep's Clothing...But, of course, none of my girls knows my personal circumstances, nor will they ever unless somebody blabs.

USB says: Of course, seeing only Angel Girl is not what I do. I follow the advice of mis amigos by cultivating all of my options, advise that I also subscribe to 100%. But, where I question their strategy is to flaunt my other optional activities in front of her face. But then, my goal is different that that of Carlos and WastedG. I am attempting to maximize GFE with Angel Girl, regardless of her own extra-curricular activities, which she denies to me with a straight face and total sincerity. Do I believe her? Who knows??? Who Cares??? It does add to the quality of overall GFE with her for me to think so. But, realistically, do I believe she is faithful to me...In a word, NO!

Carlos Says "I say: I think you are making a mistake. You are trying to make her skip from "A" to "C" without going thru "B". I know you are making a mistake. You are trying to have her on your side paying regular rate. To a working club girl that represents that she might be losing money she could earn at the club. Whatever you think right now she is still a working club girl and you are not taking that as you should."

This needs more clarification. I don't understand the point of this paragraph...rewrite it, and submit it to me for a grade in the morning or you do not pass this course.

USB Says: But, I know one thing...when she is not around, I am still having all kinds of fun otherwise too. So, I am a Cabron in reality, right? I am a Cabron to the inth degree because I am seeing other girls, married, and lying to her about all of it. So, theoretically, she should be really turned on by the prospect of such a Cabron such as I.
Of course, conversely, I openly followed the Cabron strategy with Angry girl too, publicly demonstrating to her that I AM seeing other girls, and look where it has gotten me with her...completely cut-off.

Carlos Says "I say: That is, cause they don't care. You cut them off without stablishing yourself as the proverbial Cabron we are talking about.
And even if you turn into a Cabron, Angry Girl will not pay attention to you...
May I ask, why the hell are you wasting so much time STILL thinking on her???"

I am thinking about Angry Girl because WastedG says she is still asking about me when all she does is try to make me believe she hates me. I find that intellectually interesting, and kind of HOT!!!! :-) Verdad!!!

[El Cabron 007]

told you the weather is bad.

hey, carlos, i've had all kinds of services from them girls in privados for free. what're you talking about?

well, thing is, i don't usually, or didn't in the past, do anything in privados besides physically romance the girl or just kickback with a smoke while they make at attempt to please me. with 3 or 4 girls, they went the extra mile and forced themselves on me man. they raped me i tell you. of course, i do not usually enjoy action in privados and always prefer the privacy and comfort of my bed. i usually stop them half way and come back down. you will notice this when i wash my hands before i set with you guys. there have been a few occasions where i came back down very very happy.

but yes, by all means, i would not even think of getting a freebie from any of the girls. not when i take them out anyways. even when we go clubbing and they come back to the hotel with us, i still pay them before they leave and it is understood and agreed upon. well. except with "x". she always tries to milk me be both ways. money and honey. damm, she's worth it when i, once in a while, give in and over pay her. even your "the" girl tried to get double the pay but nope. did not pay more than the usual. she said she will never salida with me again. that was 4 salidas ago.

besides, i know fully well that the main drive behind being with me in the first place is money. that will be the day when a hooker leaves her work in the middle of her shift to come service me for free.
wasted



both wasted and me operate thinking in a parallel way that we like such and such girl, but at the same time considering the economics of the situation.

deep down they will not do a single thing with us or anyone else, unless money passes hands.

i have had instances of club girls that want to have sex with me as a diversion or just for the sake of a quickie, or just cause they like me, but even if they want it, they will not do it for free not even if they are my die hard friends.
and i think you have learned this the hard way and still you refuse to accept it as the norm.

[Member #3453]

I am NOT shaking hands with you again WastedG... :-))))))))) Just kidding...I am glad to hear you washed your hands after.



I usually stop them half way and come back down. You will notice this when I wash my hands before I set with you guys. There have been a few occasions where I came back down very very happy.

I have gotten freebies in the privados. But, really, I sort of compare it to a two for one sale...a marketing gimmick on the part of the girl. Some girls have devoured me in the privados, but it's to send a message that if I patronize them I can expect more of the same.

[El Cabron 007]

I should be the least of your worries. What you should be concerned about is those girls who touch you, you know where, come back down, get up on stage and then snag another unsuspecting dude only to touch him with the same hands and lips that just finished off the previous mofu.

Do you know why the girls will not kiss you? They will let you kiss them but not on the lips. Do you know why? Need I go any further? They do not kiss you because they do not want to put what they sucked on you.

That's what you should be worried about. Not me.


I am NOT shaking hands with you again WastedG... :-))))))))) Just kidding...I am glad to hear you washed your hands after.

[Member #3453]

Actually, I think you give them way too much credit. I think they do not kiss for two reasons and neither has to do with their being concerned about our welfare.

1. They do not want to ruin their lipstick

2. They do not want to get sick, picking up all kinds of communicable diseases of the upper respiratory category.

I notice that most of the time when the girls finish in the privados, many times they will go immediately to their dressing room to clean up. I notice it mostly at Givenchy, Matehuala, and El Cielo. I notice that practice being followed the least at El Infinito.

On another more controversial note, my sweetheart texted me today with her everylasting devotion, telling me that she missed me, that she loved me, and that she was enjoying the chocolates her Cabron Bastard had given her. I called her on her cell and talked to her for a while this afternoon, telling her that she was not worth a shit, and that I am fucking everything that walks back here in the States...That should make for pleasant memories when I return.

Don't take my sarcasm too seriously...just having fun :-)

On another note...I notice when I call on my cell that I have to insert the "1" after the "52." But, I also notice that to text message, the "1" does not seem to be required. The texts work fine without the "1." Since most of the time I am texting the girls, I have their names in my address book without the "1," but when I try to call them with that same number, which works perfectly when texting, it does not work to call them with a voice message, and I have to go in and change the sequence to make the call go through. Anybody experiencing this same problem.


I should be the least of your worries. What you should be concerned about is those girls who touch you, you know where, come back down, get up on stage and then snag another unsuspecting dude only to touch him with the same hands and lips that just finished off the previous mofu.

Do you know why the girls will not kiss you? They will let you kiss them but not on the lips. Do you know why? Need I go any further? They do not kiss you because they do not want to put what they sucked on you.

That's what you should be worried about. No?

[Member #3453]

I have had instances of club girls that want to have sex with me as a diversion or just for the sake of a quickie, or just cause they like me, but even if they want it, they will not do it for free not even if they are my die hard friends. And I think you have learned this the hard way and still you refuse to accept it as the norm. This is also is disrupting your way of thinking when you come to Monterrey.

Why do you accuse me of such things??? :-)

I always pay my way. Even with my Angel Girl, I always pay, even when I know I could get away with not paying her at this juncture, and, yes, still see her again later.

Obviously, I realize that if I were to try to be cheap and not pay her, I would be tempting fate, because I also realize that she would evenutally believe I was using her.

I don't want to send such a message because I value her. So, we have agreed that I will "help" her (notice I said "HELP" her and not "PAY" her for services rendered), and with whatever amounts of money I can give her. These symantics are hers, words that make her feel more comfortable with our little arrangement, so she feels that we are not client and provider, but amigos romanticos, which I believe we are.

Most of the time, it's actually a pretty good amount of money, even by "going rate" per session standards, not because I am trying to pay her more than going rate in order to buy her loyalty, but because I really want to help her.

It's true that she is a hooker, but she is "MY" hooker. And, when, and if, she makes me feel that she is not "MY" hooker, then I will willingly change my strategy. As you said, I fully expect that when that time comes, we will both part ways as friends, probably not really seeing much of each other except to cross paths in the bar.

Now, when I negotiate session costs with other girls, I do drive a hard bargain sometimes, usually paying under 1000 pesos. But, I am a Cabron...and a Cabron never pays going rate, verdad? Fact is, I have a whole stable of girls that will go with me for between 500-800 pesos, and that's usually for twice the normally allotted time, usually 3-4 hours anyway.

So, are you saying the I should be overpaying them, while simultaneously trying to convince them that I am a Cabron Bastard??? Uhhhhmmmmm?

[Member #3453]

Yeah...I know...but I've been with enough of them to think that this has a hint of being a little different. I don't think her boyfriend is chopping on the dulces and galletas...but, hey, who knows...and, in the final analysis, who cares. The bottom line for me is how she responds to me in the moment. I mean, she is a hooker...why would I care if she has a boyfriend or husband, or both. All I care about ultimately is the quality of her delivery, which is totally sincere in every respect.

I am under no illusions other than to sense there is just something a little different between us than normal. I've been there, done that, in Monterrey, and many other venues...and under all normal circumstances, I would have to agree with everything being said here...I hear ya' all...really I do.

But, that does not change my perception of the situation. Something is different, and I am enjoying the ride. Certainly, she realizes financial gain, but I don't believe that's her motivation entirely...I said "ENTIRELY," but I realize that money makes the world go around. I don't donate my services to my clients, but it doesn't mean that I don't prefer, and actually enjoy working with some of them, and that I consider some of them my friends, some of them my very close friends.

Of course, the primary motivator is money in all P4P circumstances. But, in this instance, sometimes the amount I am able to pay her simply doesn't compute with being sufficient for her to want to see me for the lengths of time that she stays with me, which she certainly does...all night for 1000 pesos on many occassions, 6 hours for 500 pesos...many, many times. If money is her only motivator, I theorize that she would act like all the rest of them...allocating just the amount of time for everybody to get off, and then out the door. She does not do that. When she has the time available she lingers well past what anyone would normally gage as being anything other than her own desire to be there.

You can assume it's a boyfriend or husband, or girlfriend, sick mother, no babysitter, other clients, or whatever when she gives excuses that she can't make it...But, that really doesn't reconcile. It doesn't make sense that she is disingenuous at times when she can't, or doesn't want, to show up. That's why I believe her. If she is only there for the money, and I am paying her a good amount of money, anywhere from 500-1000 pesos per session, for whatever time she can spend, sometimes she volunteering to spend all night, and sometimes 4-6 hours...whatever time she can do, then it would seem to me that a girl earning that kind of regular money would be much more opportunistic to earn it while the earning is good, to earn it in the shortest span of time possible, 1-2 hours, and to do so in the narrow window of opportunity, while I am there in town, versus throwing away her opportunity to earn it by not being able, or not wanting, to show up due to disingenuous claims.

I mean, I am there almost each month, and I generally do have the money to pay her. Certainly, I would prefer to "help" her more than any of the other girls I know there. And it makes sense that she would simultaneously realize that by showing up I could keep her quite comfortable. I am a regular pay check for somebody. It seems she would realize what she is missing by not showing up, because wouldn't she realize I am spending "HER" money on other girls. She would at least realize that I have money in my pocket that she isn't getting if I don't see her. I am a pretty regular sugar daddy situation. I just can't see why, if she is only in it for the money, she would be putting me off for reasons other than legitimate obstacles in her life that can not be helped. She knows that I would spend all of my time with her, and that she would get all of my money as a result. That's why I trust her claims that there is something more between us, because the money isn't motivating her entirely like I know it does all the rest.

I've seen girls that are out to take my money. If they want to take my money, they show up, promise to stay long periods of time, and are out the door in an hour and a half. This girl promises to come, seemingly wants to come, but sometimes can't. But, when she does finally come, she is HOT, HOT, HOT, and stays for long periods of time, shows absolutely NO signs of wanting to leave, etc...I have been around a long time, seen a whole frickin' huge slew of girls. I know how they "act" when they are only in it for the money. Most are, but some have been just a cut above, and she is one of just a few of them that are seemingly "sincere" in their desire to be there. I can always tell because the ones that want to be there are very slow in getting dressed, waiting to the last possible moment to even hint at any desire that they are leaving. They are reluctant to want to leave. It is just simply evident in their body language and their attitude. She is one of the few that have that reluctance to leave. That reluctance to leave is a sign of GFE.

Certainly, because I spend the money to come to Monterrey to begin with, I want to experience the GFE she gives me, GFE that is over and above all others. I do not want to miss out on it...It's that good. So, I always back-up my mushy assumptions that she is sincere about me, with a healthy dose of intellectual skeptism by "helping" her financially, just to clinch the deal for the long term. So, intellectually, I am right with you guys...totally. But, emotionally, I speculate otherwise. I could be right, I could be wrong. But in the final analysis, it doesn't really mean anything, whether she is or isn't sincere...what matters is that I believe she IS sincere in the moment, at the time of delivery, and I do.

Fortuanately, I have the experience and intellectual ability to separate the two, emotion versus fianances, and to enjoy the ride without effectively jeapardizing my own circumstances in life by doing something emotionally or financially stupid where she is concerned. I am simply having a great time with a superior quality girl, one that I believe has a sincere attraction and an honest affection for me.



Would it surprise you, though, that her actual boyfriend probably ate most of those chocolates while talking about the strange, older gringo that comes down from time to time and has a little "crush" on her?



Now, let me get this straight...your actually PAYING the girl to sleep with you? That sounds like mongering! It seems that if you have to pay, its not GFE after all, but more like really, really good mongering sessions...Your Angel Girl actually seems to be a pretty good sales women- making her pitch aimed directly at the weaknesses and desires of the client. It would be interesting to hear from other brother mongers out there who have been with your "Angel Girl" just to see if her approach is much different.

As Carlos said, money is what drives your whole deal; it's what's at the heart of your relationship. Take the money factor out and everything fades away. If you don't pay her, she won't be thinking that you're using her; she'll be out the door in search of someone who will. Like you said, though, "why tempt fate when your happy the way things are?" So, then if money is a driving factor in your relationship (something that is rightfully an issue with you), then how is it much different from any mongering relationship where a guy pays money for the attention and affection of a lovely young lady? Bastard or Nice guy means squat. All she wants is the Sor Juanas, but if she can get some nice gifts from a nice older guy in the process...Sorry, Oh yeah..."My girl is different..."

I'm just trying the sarcasm thing myself. It feels kinda good...:)

Mill

[Member #3453]

I primarily bring the cookies for YOUUUUUUU Carlos, and mis amigos visiting Monterrey...verdad? :-) You know that right??? It is a huge frickin' pain in the arse to make those cookies and to transport them. The demand from "questionable" other consumers is through the roof.

Do you know that I have to manufacture approximately 60 cookies each trip, and bring them to Monterrey because they are consumed like crazy at this juncture by the disingenuous hords.

You would not realize this about the cookies, but they are very easily spoiled, and they do not last but a few days after I've made them when they are contained in just a cookie jar or plastic bag, not even in a tupperware style container will they maintain their relative freshness.

Have you ever noticed the superior quality of my containers, the rubber ring seal around the periphery of the container??? These are NOT tupperware containers. They are high tech, expensive containers designed to maintain the quality of the product for the long term, so we can feast on them the entire week, and they will still be as tasty as the day I baked them.

I am intending, and have started, to attempt to ration them to only my best girls, or to girls that I would like to break the ice with, just as you have suggested. But it is difficult. Even if I try to hide them, I am instantly recognized when I enter these clubs...The FAMOUS AMOS of Monterrey. I have soooo many girlfriends that know me as a result of these cookies that you would be astounded.

I have girls that are approaching me that I do not even recall having met in the past, girls asking me for a cookie, usually taking TWO (%#@$@(&$), girls that I DON't KNOW, DON'T REMEMBER, etc...It is a good schtick. It is something that permits me to gage each girl's potential, and to meet girls that I would not normally have the time to meet in such quantity. Most of them dump their respective benefactors buying them drinks to come over and say hello, and to steal a cookie(s).

But, I have to transport them as I do, in their respective containers, if we ourselves are going to enjoy them. I know it looks dumb, but if you want them, that's it...you will just have to tolerate it. And, unfortunately, I am not able to harshly refuse them to girls that approach me for them. I just can't be that much of a Cabron Bastard...Sorry.

But, within Pasarelas, I have adopted a slightly softened Carbronish attitude, one where they still get cookies, but they know I could also just as easily patronize any one of them. Actually, Mr. R from California had a girl on his lap that has kind of an Angel Girl Body. She is my friend...a cookie monster...and I think I will add her to my flock. I think she could be really HOT. She's not the prettiest face in the place, but she is actually probably prettier than my Angel Girl...Here face is not really too bad. But, her body...Aye Chihuagua!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hard as a frickin' ROCK. I don't even remember her name, but she knows me, in spades...She approached me for cookies last time when I was in there on my last night, Friday night. She allows a LOT of fun just sitting with her buying her drinks. She has my attention...and I hers. That makes at least (7) girls in Pasarelas. What a Cabron Bastard I truly am, verdad?

As for the girls at places like Prestige that are unappreciative...they are on notice. I WILL NOT treat them with any compassion. You are totally right about them...they simply DO NOT deserve my kindness, nor will they enjoy it in the future unless they change their ways. With those girls, you are absolutely correct, I am having to become a Cabron Bastard, and will gladly do so.

But, for us to enjoy them in the clubs, I have to bring them with me. I mean, we don't routinely see each other in locations other than the clubs most of the time. So, if you want cookies, I have to bring them where we are going to be meeting. That means bringing enough during each visit that the hords of girls will not devour them all before you get your share. So, I have to bring enough at each visit to our respective clubs to supply mis amigos sufficiently, as well as the hords of girls, waiters, managers, etc...

Look...look how much positive attention we got over at Obsession from the former Captain, primarily because we are so nice to them, the waiters, the Captain, the managers, etc...part of our schtick is that we take care of those dudes with a supply of cookies...And, look how well we are treated there...free appetizers from the managment, sometimes free drinks on occassion, etc...

Sure, some of the girls are not worth my kindness to them. Most of those kinds of girls, just as you an MJ indicated, have no "clase." I don't expect them to exhibit any character to begin with. But, perhaps over time, if I treat those that are abusive to my brand of kindness, just like a Cabron Bastard, and I do so over the distribution of the cookies they crave, I might be able to turn the tables and make friends out of girls that currently only want to treat us with such disrespect and evil disregard. How can some of those girls be so mean? It really is a reflection of the blackness in their souls, to treat people poorly who go out of their way to do something nice for them, doing something for them where I have no expectation for anything from them in return other than their friendship.

Their outward beauty is made ugly by the blackness of their personalities and the rotteness in their souls...I am ashamed of them for their behavior. I guess they simply do not know how to react to kind treatment. I suppose they are suspicious of it. Just as you an Mill have indicated, they are so spoiled in their respective psyche's that they do not trust anyone, not even a harmless offer of a cookie as an act of friendship. I know...you think they are resentful that they believe I am trying to get them for the cost of a cookie in lieu of buying them drinks...But, if that be the case, then they can simply not ask me for cookies...it's that simple. But, nooooooooo, they want their share of the sugar high, verdad? They are all disingenuous with that argument that I am somehow trying to get something out of them without paying. Nothing could be further from the truth, and if they are honest with themselves, they would see it.

Just as you and Mill have indicated, they do not know how to react to anything other than my being a Cabron to them. What a shame...They do not understand how to interact with someone who is merely wanting to appreciate them as a nice guy. Tragic...Really Tragic.



Mill, one of the things I've told USB to stop doing is bringing cookies for the girls... main thing is to stop him from going around the clubs with a Tuperware.
They do not deserve them.
(Of course the cookies should be for me... Mill, USB's cookies are GRRReat!)
I have told him to change his image and be more the proverbial Cabron customer, the one that gets away with a lot with the girls.
That will need a lot of tweeking and adjusting.
And I still need to bang his head a little, make him see through the girls.. he still lacks the nack for it.
USB is still a sucker for a pretty face.... but there is hope!

[Precocious One]

Had a great time on Sunday night with you and Russ. And yes, I share the same positive sentiments regarding Club Pasarales. Very, very comfortable. I have been there three additional times and you and I possibly enjoy one particular common interest there.

As you are already probably well aware of because you are an astute and cognizant individual, the possibilty of you transforming into a "cabron" may indeed produce negative results. At this time, it is quite probable that you are well-received at the clubs because of your amiable and amicable demeanor. A nice, sensitive and distinguished older gentleman so to say. If you were to transform into an angry, mean and insensitive older gentleman, well, maybe that will not be conducive to mongering. In fact, I would assume most of these girls have already experienced this sort of person and it has not had such an efficacious effect on their lives of which they are well aware of.

Stay with what works for you. From my limited vantage point, your personality seemed to be working quite well for someone your age. The Brad Pitt's of the world may be able to get aware with the "cabron" personality but as you know, most of us cannot lay claim to that category. Trying to change who you are at this stage in our lives, going from a positive to a negative, is very questionable.

Mr. Q

[Member #3453]

"What we have here is a failure to communicate...."

Movie: Cool Hand Luke
Year: 1967 (Before most of you were probably born :-))))
Actor: Struther Martin

I love that line..."Whhhhat we hauuuve heauua is a faaaaluaa to comunicte."

Precocious One,

I will simply ask the question, and everyone else can form his own conclusions. Was I, or was I not, very well received by those chicas in Pasarelas? And if your answer be "YES," then I rest my case as to the effectiveness of my strategies and tactics. My amigos do not frequent Pasarelas. I have many options there, and all of them won over by being a "nice" guy versus a Cabron. I am still a Cabron inside, but I am devilishly nice to them, but in a sly way. You see, there are all kinds of Cabron, IMHO, and not just one-way to skin the proverbial cat. I like to think I use some degree of intellect to win those over that are worth a damn, and frankly, I could not care less about the rest of them.

It occurs to me that there is a friendly rivalry of advice givers on here, all competing to out do the other with respect to criticisms of USB's approach to finding his brand of GFE, ones that certainly mean well, mis amigos every one, but amigos that also seemingly enjoy believing that USB is a total failure with respect to the chicas of Monterrey within a P4P context, and more importantly, within the context of finding and obtaining GFE kinds of encounters that satisfy me.

Some enjoy the advice giving and prefer to see USB mired in a funk of ineffectual pussy-whipped confoundation, seemingly for the benefit of the advise giver's own inflated "Don Juanian" egos.

These accusations are not directed at anyone in particular, but it seems that no matter what USB does, Cabron or Nice Guy, consumate baker of cookies or not, nothing will ever finally win their individual respective approvals of USB's unique, tried and true tactics. They prefer instead to maintain their own dilusional superiority, even in the face of USB's over 1000 satisfied customers on five continents, verdad?

So, it is starting to occur to me that if I am damned if I do, and damned if I don't with respect to following the advice of all the advice givers, then I might as well discount most of their prolific recommendations because nothing I do will be correct, even if following their advice to the letter.

My advisors enjoy the course of criticism too much to ever admit that USB might understand what he has been doing all along, and that their advice is merely their own biased "opinion," having little or applicability to USB's specific preferences for USB's unique brand of GFE.

[Precocious One]

MJ-

Well, I guess I won't ever qualify as a "cabron" in Mexico because I lack the macho characteristic ever so needed to qualify (although I do bench press 325). In the US, a man's man is simply one who is very sure of who he is and never falters on his conviction, regardless of economic status. That does not quantify as being macho but mature. And yes, I wholeheartedly agree that if you or I were to enter a club with cookies it would probably not fare very well for us. But for USB, it appears to work well with his persona. It is probably not only his personality that encapsulates the chicas, but obviously his pocketbook as well. Chicas, whether they be P4P or not, look for the money. If you do not have or are incapable of obtaining it, no amount of machoness will give you success with the educated woman, Mexican or not. Maybe in rural India circa 1919 one would have success, but not now. As for the testosterone, many of us possess it but choose not to display it. I guess that comes with age.

Back to the chicas. Monterrey is by far vastly superior in the beauty of its women compared to that of the Baja side. I lived there for almost a year, and it amazes me the disparity between the two. Almost the difference between a SoCal woman and its Midwestern counterpart. By the way, I believe you had previously mentioned on a post the possibility of paying a monthly stipend to a chica and the amount associated was around $600. I believe I have met a potential non-pro candidate and I am about to commence negotiations. Would that number be applicable to Monterrey or just your part of Mexico?

Mr. Q

[Member #3453]

I CAN understand your frustration with me...My emotions and commentary vacilate with respect to my attitudes toward the Mexico experience. But, I don't mean any disrespect to those that have offered the advice, nor am I unappreciative of it, nor do I want them to stop giving the advise and making commentary here on the board. God knows the board is otherwise dead, and without the commentary we may have to do something "intellectual" like read a book or something.

I probably mis-spoke with respect to my comments regarding "ego." I believe that a more accurate assessment is more akin to "blind alegiance" to the Mexico experience rather than anything actually being motivated out of ego. My apologies for that misunderstanding. I will cover this issue in more detail later on in my...uhhh...thesis?

Compared to my amigos, I am every bit as successful as they, and some have had significantly more time on the ground to cultivate those relationships, so in that regard, I feel pretty good about my success rate in Monterrey comparatively.

First, I must offer my sincere appreciation to Carlos, without whose guidance over the years, I would never have been able to achieve the level of satisfaction I do have on the ground in Monterrey. I am truly greatful. He is a great friend.

But, that all having been sincerely said...

I am not the only monger in Monterrey that goes away from Monterrey frustrated. Mostly, the newbies visiting Monterrey leave frustrated because it is a complicated, expensive, and relatively difficult venue for mongering. Without the direct assistance from Carlos, WastedG, myself, and others, a newbie's chances of coming to Monterrey and enjoying one's self to the fullest extent are minimal. Not that we're indispensable, we're not, nor am I trying to pander to our own egos...but to a true newbie to the area, especially a first timer, non-spanish speaking, gringos, the logistics are complicated, as is the venue itself, including the proper strategies to use.

Not everybody leaves Monterrey with a clammering to return. Most, frankly, enjoy the venue, but realize that they must spend a lot of time on the ground to get good performance for a relatively high price...and they are right! If the newbies return, it is usually a result of the comradre we foster with them on the ground...'cause, there are better places to spend your money and your time for the ultimate experience that we all seek.

But, more importantly, even for a veteran of Monterrey, GFE experiences are still NOT widely available. So, even for a veteran that has the venue totally figured out. I have concluded that NO strategy can turn a sows ear into a silk purse. I travel to Monterrey because of logistics and because I like to visit with my amigos. I also have a favorita that I like seeing. Beyond those factors, I know first hand that I would be more satisfied in other venues.

So, if I seem to have an overly committed alegiance to my Angel Girl, it is simply that I prefer spending time with her because her GFE is a sure thing, less work, less expensive...Worldclass. At least, that is her performance with me. I strongly suspect your mileage may vary with respect to her performance, just as they all do based on chemistry, and one man's "junk" is another man's "treasure."

That having been said, the source of my frustration is that while I am just as successful as they in the Monterrey venue, I am simultaneously aware, because of my travels, that what I am experiencing when I'm there is not Worldclass mongering, but expensive and complicated mongering, better than the USA certainly, thankfully, but that ain't saying a whole lot in the Worldclass arena.

My other point is, and this is the point of my former frustration...When I modify my behavior in an effort to respect the advice of my handlers, mostly in an effort to assist them in proving that the Mexico venue really does have something superior to offer in comparion, and also to hope against all odds that maybe I am doing something wrong and there is "more" to be gleened from the Mexico experience in comparison to other Worldclass venues...

No matter what I seemingly do to modify my behaviors to the letter of their advise given, and in a manner that is totally and completely open to trying their recommendations, it is always judged as not quite enough, not quite right, not quite effective, not quite what is required to achieve this far superior service that is supposed to be such an intregal part of Mexico mongering.

That is the source of my seemingly, but unintended, confrontational former post. Even when I employ their methods in exactly the same manner as I personaly witness them implementing their own strategies, strategies that are sometimes directly contradictory to what they say is their preferred methodology, I am told that I am employing the wrong strategies, and that I just don't get "it."

But, these are stretegies they themselves utilize all the time, publicly displayed for all to see, apparently ones they themselves practice on a regular basis and believe will work fine for them. But, somehow, according to them, my implementation of those same methods is judged to be ineffectual, poorly executed, just not quite right, etc...

It is not "Mexico" per se, but USB that has the problem..they say. But, in reality, USB is as successful as they are. The difference is, USB is not satisfied because USB knows what more is available in the Worldclass arena, whereas mis amigos are blissfully ignorant that anything is even wrong with the Mexico venue in comparison.

I have concluded that their blind alegiance to the Mexico venue has them clammering for excuses why USB's methodology fails to yield larger numbers of GFE sessions for him, failing to meet his unrealistic expectations for Mexico, but USB's GFE sessions are just a prolific as theirs. It is more convenient for them, and psychologically comforting to espouse that USB is just not able to implement the necessary strategies that make Mexico, for them, the Worldclass mongering venue they dilusionally believe it is, and I "wish" it was.

Therefore, I have started to conclude that my amigos enjoy believing that no matter what methodology I adopt, it will never have their approval, not because it does or does not work, or because the Mexico venue is what it is, but more because they prefer to believe that USB is just not able to grasp the implementation of their superior methodology, and is mired in his own "unsuccessful" failed strategies...thereby supporting their dilusional alegiance to the Mexico venue as a good mongering destination.

But, the reality is, USB's funk is a direct result of comparing Mexico mongering to mongering on a Worldclass scale. They simply do not have the experience in other venues, and are so loyal to the Mexico experience that they prefer to point fingers at what they perceive as USB's failed strategies rather than admit that the venue itself is contributing to my overall frustrations.

Mill, with respect to GFE from only one girl at a time, that is simply not the case. Currently, I know of at least 4-5 girls that I can get good GFE from in Monterrey. But, that doesn't discount the superior performance of one in particular over the others, and my preference to be with her because of her "performance." I just prefer to spend time and money on one that matters to me instead of on others that don't.

Also, with respect to the numbers of good providers in foreign venues, it is an extremely low percentage of good GFE providers compared to the huge number of available chicas in Monterrey, so I sometimes complain about that. It just makes the search for satisfaction that much more work, and it makes Monterrey significantly more expensive than other venues where the availability of superior performance and providers is prolific in comparison.


No, I don't think there's any rush to portray you as a sad sack or have a competition to give the best advice- at least there isn't on my part.

Basically, to be fair:

YOU come on the ISG griping about how bad Mexico, and Monterrey in particular, is for getting GFE.
- I say that you are wrong and that there's a lot of the service that you crave to be had in Mexico. Then you come back with a million reasons why you don't want to change.

YOU gripe about how your Angel Girl is leaving you hanging.
- We tell you why, or at least give theories as to why, and you suddenly make an about face and say that she is the best and you have no complaints about her.

YOU say that your current tactics aren't yielding results and are open to others.
-We offer some suggestions, just to have them all shot down because suddenly your tactics and strategies are the best and yield the best results for you, all the while taking a sarcastic tone

And now, You come on the ISG and directly complain about the advice given from well-meaning brothers in the "hobby"

So......are you happy with the status quo? Do you want to yield better results? What is it? If everything's just peachy and in your heart you feel that you know best, great, but don't keep giving contradicting statements as to your feelings about Mexican mongering. Nobody has ever put you into a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation because everybody's given you basically the same advice. It's you who directly and indirectly ask for help and then blow off everything that doesn't strike your fancy. So, great, you know best and just leave it at that. What do we get from trying to help you? Nothing. We, who love Mexican chicas, just want you to get more of what's out there and not just get stuck with one chica at a time.

I understand the withdrawal period after coming back from Mexico. I used to go through it as well before I moved here, but things need to be more cut and dry with you because we all want to help a monger in distress, but when you suddenly stop being in distress and then claim that your strategies are the best and refuse to change them it just sorta pulls the rug out from under a fella.

I post in response to you because I see a bit of myself in you- a nice guy with good intentions, craving GFE and not getting as much of it as can be had. My intentions are not to inflate my own ego- I get enough of what I want to never even think about posting here. My intention in responding to your posts is to say that what you want is right at your fingertips and by employing a better strategy, you can get all the GFE you want. What I say is not the result of my rolling out of bad and saying to myself, "I know what I'll post now..." My conclusions come from 7+ years of actually being in country, seeing what works and doesn't work. Carlos is in the same boat...I can't believe that you haven't taken what Carlos says to heart more because, of us all, he is the one in the best position to KNOW what works here if you don't want to believe others. If I come off as egotistical, I don't care. I just read your posts and respond to them when you seem to be struggling for better service...and then I pull my hair out when you do a 180 and say that nothing's the matter.

In an anonymous forum, this is definitely the wrong place to try and stroke your own ego. If your strategies are the best how come you can only get GFE from one girl at a time when many of us get it quite frequently? Your argument is always that what you want is unique to you- it most definitely is not. In our cases, what we want is very similiar, but if your not getting it in abundance after spending so much time and money in Monterrey, then there has to be something wrong...and not with the chicas.

With all due respect, you don't really want to have a two or three or four way conversation...you just want people to confirm that what you do is the best...And when they don't, "well, I'll just agree with everything and keep doing the same because, in reality, I know best." You know what the definition of insanity is, right? -doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? If you wouldn't so often write about your displeasure with the Mexican venue, people wouldn't be so quick to try and help...notice I said the word HELP? Not preach or belittle, but HELP. Especially when you talk about your displeasue in the Mexican venue in the presence of men who are very, very happy with it.

Now, if you were to invest some of the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and vinegar that you displayed just now to mongering in Mexico, you'd be beating the chicas off with a stick instead of just beating off in your office in Middle-America.

I now bow out gracefully...You know best and are the master...can you pass me your cookie recipe?

Have Fun,

Mill

[Member #3453]

My friend...we have always been candid so please don't be concerned that your contadicting me is going to offend me, or make me angry or upset. I think we have disagreed almost from the very beginning as to strategy and positioning. We are the two dueling critics...

It's like with MJ, I don't mean to convey any criticisms in my commentary, and I welcome all points of view. I'm not necessarily asking for help, because I really don't feel like I need it. I really think I have some pretty good results overall. I am merely reporting my opinions after a trip, and sometimes they are critical. I am a "critic," just as I know some others of you literally are.

I might not agree sometimes with assessments that are articulated her, but I am open to considering them for the sake of discussion, and to possibly modify my behavior if in fact I decide that the recommendations fit my style, and have a chance of making my trips more enjoyable.

First...Have you forgotten???

I have been frustrated with Monterrey in some capacity or another all the way back to Cindy #1...over four years ago. Certainly, you must remember the funks I used to get into over her, funks that were admitedly my own fault probably, but funks none the less.

And, lets not forget all the disappointments...girls failing to show up, girls always running late, all of their foolishness after I spent quite a bit of money on them, especially the Obsession and Prestige girls...remember???

Of course you remember...

But, in all fairness to myself, I have successes with some of the hottest girls in Monterrey, all the time, both then and now. But, I am still frustrated in comparion to how easily attainable satisfaction is elsewhere. So, being the critic that I am, I "RAIN" on Monterrey, probably a little unfairly compared to my overall successes there, mostly because I am a spoiled brat with respect to other venues. But, even now, I am fortunately able to find and keep some very HOT girls.

Prior to my going to other venues, I was relatively satisified with Monterrey because it was all really new to me, and I had no worldwide experienced to draw comparisons. But, additional worldwide experience has a tendency to open one's eyes to what is otherwise available, and being the perfectionist I am, that frame of reference only serves to disappointment me when I sometimes experience the characteristics that are such an intregal part of mongering in Mexico.

My past successes were usually when I would find a particular girl in a club, bar fine her, stick to her relatively exclusively within that club, and not patronize too many others at one time from the same club. I had girls in many different clubs, but I would always remain relatively loyal to my favorites. It paid off for me then, and it still pays off for me now. If the girls started to get lazy or mis-treat my loyalty to them, then, in that instance, I employ the Cabronish strategies you and MJ recommended. But, honestly, most of the girls were always pretty good to me. It's just that there aren't that many of them in Monterrey to go around. Hey, you reminded me, whatever became of Gina at Pasarelas anyway. I still have her phone number...uhmmm?

All the young whipper snappers that I compete with in the clubs see me as just the "old gentleman," when in reality I am their worst frickin' nightmare. Just give me a crack at the girl on salida, and depending on chemistry, I will prove that there is something HOT, veril, and studly that is still very much alive on the inside of the "old guy"...and fortunately for me, the girls confirm that through whatever high percentage of successes I do seemingly have with the hotter girls of MTY, that with a healthy dose of "dinero" to ease their consciences about actually enjoying the company of the old "distinguished" gentleman. :-) How is that for inflating one's own incrementally deflated ego? But, make NO MISTAKE, my methods ARE different than the young studs are used to employing, and they are what make me successful with girls that might not otherwise give me a second thought.

So, I believe that to apply the techniques of a Milljust, or a Mr. L, or any of you younger dudes, in my case, would not be successful. I have to use the methods that I know work well for me. I think the proof is in the pudding gentleman. And, if the cookies, dulces, and regalos get my foot in the door, which they very definitely do, along with whatever charm I am able to somehow muster to make everything come together, then that is what I am going to have to do to make my schtick work for me.

With respect to Pasarelas, I am working a number of girls there, still attempting to determine which of them will earn my loyalty. When I am done in Pasarelas, my next target club will possibly be Casino or maybe Bahamas, mainly because they still have reasonably priced bar fines. But, as fate will probably have it, my Angel Girl will probably become excessively available just when I decide that I prefer to cultivate other options :-) Isn't that how it always works???

Actually, I have one very poor option over at El Cielo. But, that place, as well as Matehuala, has been so poor laterly that the selection really sucks. I would sincerely prefer to pull from the Infi group of clubs due to the cheaper bar fines, but selection has been a huge issue there lately, with the exception of El Infinito itself, and you know my sentiments there with respect to Angel Girl who occupies a special place for me over and above the category of "provider."

Call me foolish if you want to, but I prefer to maintain the relationship with Angel Girl just as it is, mainly because I get huge dividends as a result. So, I will merely work the other clubs in the interum while Angel Girl's life is given an opportunity to normalize.

Actually, there aren't any girls in El Infinito right now that interest me anyway, with the exception of perhaps some on the night shift. So, for me, my extending my "loyalty" to Angel Girl isn't really costing me anything from my own perspective. I have many better options in other clubs.

I realize I am a consumate "perfectionist" with respect to how I anticipate things are supposed to be going for me in Monterrey. It is no different now with respect to certain girls that push my buttons. So, in some respects, you are right...it is me, especially in cases where girls like my Angel Girl hold a special place in my heart. But, in other respects it is the venue itself. I have always been demanding of Monterrey, just less vocal about articulating it.

But, you are only partially correct with respect to the time spent, in that it is related to the root cause of my frustration, and not really the direct cause.
IMHO, it is not the time spent, but the MONEY. I used to spend quite freely in the old days. I used the shotgun effect. I was like the politicians in Congress...I threw huge sums of money at the situation. I remember buying numerous Jarras for the girls in the clubs, etc...

So, I've concluded that it is actually the money and not necessarily the time, although certainly the two have a definite effect on one another. This last trip, I spent much more freely, and actually, I came away much more satisfied than I have been in a long time, primarily thanks to my "X" girl.

Of course, Angel Girl had her contributions, but she was just not able to spend the time I would have liked to have spent with her, and it made me unsatsified with that aspect of my visit. It is NOT her fault. She has legit shit that keeps her unavailable, so I am just remaining patient...that's all I choose to do short of cultivating my other options, which I am actively engaged in at this juncture, following your recommendations to do so after the last two visits, a strategy that I wholeheartedly agree with.

You see, we agree for the most part don't we???



My friend, am going to contradict you in many aspects...
For starters you are not the same guy that I met a couple of years back.
You used to take out fabulous girls like Gina at the Pasarelas, Vanessa at the Matehuala, girls I didn't even consider cause I saw them above my capacity.
And then some I don't remember just right now that were just stunners.
Then, as both Mill Just and I have mentioned, at some point you did a total "about face" and instead of spreading out, you started spending too much time concentrating on girls that would take you no where.
I remember I used to joke that you had more novias than I did.
Remember?
Some where along the path you lost yourself.

USB says: "I am not the only monger in Monterrey that goes away from Monterrey frustrated. Mostly, the newbies visiting Monterrey leave frustrated because it is a complicated, expensive, and relatively difficult venue for mongering. "

I say: You leave Monterrey frustrated because of yourself. You are coming to Monterrey, and you have told me, with extra baggage, that you are spending too much and you are placing this way on top of your list during the trip.
(I have told you many times that you are staying way too long in Monterrey compared to your first trips.)
This is going to be a hard one, please excuse me my friend: I don't see frustrated newbies leaving Monterrey... I only see you leave frustrated.
Like I said, you are not the guy I met years ago who worked like a fine oiled machine getting the girls all to himself.
And I still insist, I blame your long stays in Monterrey for everything that is happening.

[El Cabron 007]

My wife has a communication problem. She drives me nuts:

1-She seems to forget what the discussion was about in the first place.
2-She only listens to the first sentence I say. Anything I say after that falls on deaf ears.
3-When we argue, she brings up old minor details only to further complicate the discussion.
4-As serious as a discussion can be, she is suddenly fascinated with the earrings of the girl who got us discussing.
5-I respectfully hold back from making rightful comment only the find out that my thoughtfulness was viewed as being selfish.
6- If she does not like where the conversation is going, she has no problem whatsoever changing the subject even though she started the argument and got me all fired up.
7-And finally, she contradicts herself instantly if she finds it suitable.

Only my love for her keeps me around.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

My wife has a communication problem. She drives me nuts

So, we are back to is Struther Martin's...

"What we haaaaav hiaaaaaaa is a feeeeeelr to communicate," the famous movie line from Cool Hand Luke.

Wasted, Do you know the line??? If not, you must rent the movie.

It is classic, extremely entertaining, and ohhhhh so appropriate to your post.

It occurs to me that I have a failure to communicate with so many of the girls, just talking to them with basic Spanish, body language, etc...sometimes making really deep conversation almost impossible really. But, it always amazes me just how close I can sometimes get to the girls just communicating in the universal language....Thank God!

[El Cabron 007]

OK Bob. OK.....

Here. This is what you are talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShBoF1FPSE

Then, this is what you go through? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAZoX6JH9yg

However, I will say, I given up ....

Wasted


So, we are back to is Struther Martin's...

"What we haaaaav hiaaaaaaa is a feeeeeelr to communicate," the famous movie line from Cool Hand Luke.

Wasted, Do you know the line??? If not, you must rent the movie.

It is classic, extremely entertaining, and ohhhhh so appropriate to your post.

It occurs to me that I have a failure to communicate with so many of the girls, just talking to them with basic Spanish, body language, etc...sometimes making really deep conversation almost impossible really. But, it always amazes me just how close I can sometimes get to the girls just communicating in the universal language....Thank God!

[Round the World]

Let's cut to the chase, USB.

Are you coming back to MTY in Mid-July with us or not?

If not, that of course, leaves more playing field open for the rest of us... ;)

[Member #3453]

WastedG,


"Here. This is what you are talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShBoF1FPSE"

Loved IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Then, this is what you go through? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAZoX6JH9yg"

Laughed hysterically at IT!!!!!

"However, I will say, I given up ...."

You should give up..."what are you sinking???"

[Member #3453]

Why soooooo frickin' soon dudes? I thought WastedG was giving up on the place...last trip and all that. Why returning so soon, July 12th already?

As for me, I was just there. I am a tired, old, kindly, gentleman...I need my rest, and relaxation to recouperate, and I need to build up my strength, my three squares of oat meal per day...a little attention for mama too.

I haven't had a chance to bake a fresh, piping hot, delicious tray of cookies for the upcoming visit yet either. Plus...

I am just now starting to recouperate from missing my Angel Girl...trying to forget her GFE...I AIN'T easy!!!

Besides, I've still got to to rob a few more banks in order to pay the ridiculously expensive cost of pay for play in Monterrey.

(Just kidding Home Land Security, FBI, CIA, IRS, NSA, ATF, DOD, NORAD, AARP, and/or FDIC, and whomever else is monitoring these posts) :-)))))

I have decided NOT to return to Monterrey unless my Angel Girl begs me to come back. I am done with guessing as to whether she is going to be able to make herself available to me when I do return, and whether there is any sincerity in her actions and words. So, I have decided that if she is sincere, she will ask for me, and if not, it makes no difference. Her neglect will prove the point, verdad?

If I do decide to come back, my plan would be to return the 21st of July, or maybe even as late as the weekend of the 28th. But, without her sincerity in the mix, I have decided that, although I will miss mis amigos, I am just going to stay home...well...maybe...we'll see. But, as for Mid-July, no can do...Sorry.

The longer I stay home, the stronger and more resistant I become to missing my Angel Girl. I become incrementally more desensitized to realizing what I don't have here at home. And...frankly, to visit this soon again just sets me up for more disappointment and heartache...missing my Angel Girl and her GFE. I am proabably better off if I am blissfully ignorant about what I don't have, and thankful with respect to what I do have. So, once again, you find me in an intellectually contemplative funk, trying to determine my best course of action...




Let's cut to the chase, USB.

Are you coming back to MTY in Mid-July with us or not?

If not, that of course, leaves more playing field open for the rest of us... ;)

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: "I have decided NOT to return to Monterrey unless my Angel Girl begs me to come back. I am done with guessing as to whether she is going to be able to make herself available to me when I do return, and whether there is any sincerity in her actions and words. So, I have decided that if she is sincere, she will ask for me, and if not, it makes no difference. Her neglect will prove the point, verdad?"

I say: Another harsh answer...
I hope you are kidding and/or joking.
You are judging whether you come back or not on the "yes or no" of a hooker.
Means she is controlling your decisions... you have no say in the game.





Why soooooo frickin' soon dudes? I thought WastedG was giving up on the place...last trip and all that. Why returning so soon, July 12th already?

As for me, I was just there. I am a tired, old, kindly, gentleman...I need my rest, and relaxation to recouperate, and I need to build up my strength, my three squares of oat meal per day...a little attention for mama too.

I haven't had a chance to bake a fresh, piping hot, delicious tray of cookies for the upcoming visit yet either. Plus...

I am just now starting to recouperate from missing my Angel Girl...trying to forget her GFE...I AIN'T easy!!!

Besides, I've still got to to rob a few more banks in order to pay the ridiculously expensive cost of pay for play in Monterrey.

(Just kidding Home Land Security, FBI, CIA, IRS, NSA, ATF, DOD, NORAD, AARP, and/or FDIC, and whomever else is monitoring these posts) :-)))))

I have decided NOT to return to Monterrey unless my Angel Girl begs me to come back. I am done with guessing as to whether she is going to be able to make herself available to me when I do return, and whether there is any sincerity in her actions and words. So, I have decided that if she is sincere, she will ask for me, and if not, it makes no difference. Her neglect will prove the point, verdad?

If I do decide to come back, my plan would be to return the 21st of July, or maybe even as late as the weekend of the 28th. But, without her sincerity in the mix, I have decided that, although I will miss mis amigos, I am just going to stay home...well...maybe...we'll see. But, as for Mid-July, no can do...Sorry.

The longer I stay home, the stronger and more resistant I become to missing my Angel Girl. I become incrementally more desensitized to realizing what I don't have here at home. And...frankly, to visit this soon again just sets me up for more disappointment and heartache...missing my Angel Girl and her GFE. I am proabably better off if I am blissfully ignorant about what I don't have, and thankful with respect to what I do have. So, once again, you find me in an intellectually contemplative funk, trying to determine my best course of action...

[Member #3453]

I say: Another harsh answer...
I hope you are kidding and/or joking.
You are judging whether you come back or not on the "yes or no" of a hooker.
Means she is controlling your decisions... you have no say in the game.

Hey, Pilgrim...are you a callin' my "girlfriend" a hooker??? :-)

No...I am not being harsh in my judgements, not harsh...just realistic. I am joking when I say I won't be back...sort of...kind of...maybe, maybe not...probably not. You know how I like to bait you Carlos. I am right now in my adjustment stage...give me another, ohhhhh, two weeks, and I will be back to normal, missing my "opportunities" in Monterrey again, and less sensitive to the effects of Angel Girl.

But, honestely, from a purely intellectual perspective, the emotional roller coaster I go through with respect to "missing" what I can not have here in the States, what you are able to experience regularly because you live at ground zero, is "HUGE."

I'll tell you what...we could be like foreign exchange students...You can live here in the States in my barn, and I will live in your tool shed, ok?...Think about it and let me know.

Seriously, if you really think about the prospect of leaving what you can have at will by living in Monterrey, you might understand the roller coaster effect I go through. I mean, for a week at a time, I am truely happy, then when I come back here to the States I find nothing but worry, responsibility, and no little hard bodied nymphos tending to my needs. It is brutal!!!

I remember a profound comment Porker once made in the PI. I believe he said that as he was lying in bed with his two, three, four, or five girls, it occurred to him in an epiphany, a realization that, at that very moment, he was truly happy in life. No truer words were ever spoken...Like "the words of the prophets written on the subway walls...and tenament halls," verdad? (Simon and Garfunkel, 1966, The Sound of Silence)

Porker's realization is painful for me, and ignorance is bliss. The longer I stay apart from my Angel Girl, the better I feel...the more "ignorant" I become....Watch IT!!!! No insulting comments please!!!

It isn't because I am necessarily "in love" with her per se, not in the sense that so many project onto my comments, although she is very "special" to me as a person, it is more because I am taunted with what I can not experiece regularly. MJ hit on it a little bit before in one of his former responses when he admitted his own melancholy at having to return to the US at a time when he did not live in Morelia. The "cold turkey" factor is huge.

And, for some reason, my Angel Girl has made it worse for me than it has ever been....Well, maybe Cindy #1 had a similar effect. But, not any longer. I just think of Cindy #1 now with a little bit of fond sentimentality, but I don't miss seeing her anymore.

I do miss the GFE from Angel Girl, and it only illustrates to me just how austere the prospects are here in the States...Damned depressing ain't it?

I still wish the guys would postpone their July 12th trip back to Monterrey...If they were going to come back so we could be a "Gang" again, I would consider coming back on the weekend of July 21st or the 28th, but I can't get away sooner.

Carlos, start thinking about whether you NEED anything up this way. And...

When you go to Infinito, tell Angry Girl that I sent her a "Feliz Cumpleanos" text message on June 30th. That is her birthday. TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her. She will still give me the finger, but I want her to know that the feelings from this end are still ones of fond sentimentality, and that I have only the best wishes for her.

I mean nothing by it...so, don't assume I am making any effort with her other than to be nice to her. I am not. Angel Girl is my preference, and I am merely trying to be nice to Angry Girl...that's it. Problem is, I don't know if the cell numbers I have for Angry Girl are even any good anymore, probably not. But, I would like to know if she received the messages, and you, with your wiley ways, might be able to get it out of her.

[Precocious One]

"You are judging whether you come back or not on the "yes or no" of a hooker."

On the face of it, that sounds kind of funny.

[MonterreyDude]

Still you don't get it: "When you go to Infinito, tell Angry Girl that I sent her a "Feliz Cumpleanos" text message on June 30th. That is her birthday. TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her."

This is something I don't get... well, all the guys here don't get:
Why do you waste so much time with "past history" hookers?????

Let me point out that Iam not calling the club girls, "girls" anymore.
Am calling them "ho's" or "hookers", see if USB get it staight he is not dealing with civilian girls, he is dealing and buying time with prostitutes.

Angry Girl and USB had a fight sometime ago over "X,Y, Z" stuff and had a hard break.
During the interim Angry G seems to have either gotten married or is now living with someone on the "serious" side.
Angry girl stares angrily at USB any time they meet at the Infinito cause her ego was seriously damaged by USB and that will stay as is for a long while.

Do you think a hookers heart will mend with a few nice words?
Nope, never will. They are not used to sweet kindness, they are used to rough kindness.
Angry G will only start paying attention if you totally, TOTALLY ignore the fact that she exists.
It's a thing that you don't do cause every time USB sets foot at the Infinito, he asks both waiters and hookers for her and I've told you many times that these people working under the same roof DO communicate.
You have never understoond this, but the hookers tell each other EVERYTHING they do or not do with a customer.
And what they are not told, they INVENT and spin tales, WHALE of a TALE they do, sometimes for good, but usually for evil.

Just look at this: "TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her."
What is this supposed to mean? What do you mean "all others forget about her"?
You see, again, you think you have full control over what a hooker thinks and does and you are very wrong....

Anyway, I didn't know about Angry G's birthday and I wouldn't anyhow, cause she wasn't there yesterday Saturday working, perhaps havin fun with the same people that "forget about her".

Again my friend: you are operating the other way around as you should with hookers. You are waiting for their acceptance when it should always be YOUR acceptance they should be worried about.









Hey, Pilgrim...are you a callin' my "girlfriend" a hooker??? :-)

No...I am not being harsh in my judgements, not harsh...just realistic. I am joking when I say I won't be back...sort of...kind of...maybe, maybe not...probably not. You know how I like to bait you Carlos. I am right now in my adjustment stage...give me another, ohhhhh, two weeks, and I will be back to normal, missing my "opportunities" in Monterrey again, and less sensitive to the effects of Angel Girl.

But, honestely, from a purely intellectual perspective, the emotional roller coaster I go through with respect to "missing" what I can not have here in the States, what you are able to experience regularly because you live at ground zero, is "HUGE."

I'll tell you what...we could be like foreign exchange students...You can live here in the States in my barn, and I will live in your tool shed, ok?...Think about it and let me know.

Seriously, if you really think about the prospect of leaving what you can have at will by living in Monterrey, you might understand the roller coaster effect I go through. I mean, for a week at a time, I am truely happy, then when I come back here to the States I find nothing but worry, responsibility, and no little hard bodied nymphos tending to my needs. It is brutal!!!

I remember a profound comment Porker once made in the PI. I believe he said that as he was lying in bed with his two, three, four, or five girls, it occurred to him in an epiphany, a realization that, at that very moment, he was truly happy in life. No truer words were ever spoken...Like "the words of the prophets written on the subway walls...and tenament halls," verdad? (Simon and Garfunkel, 1966, The Sound of Silence)

Porker's realization is painful for me, and ignorance is bliss. The longer I stay apart from my Angel Girl, the better I feel...the more "ignorant" I become....Watch IT!!!! No insulting comments please!!!

It isn't because I am necessarily "in love" with her per se, not in the sense that so many project onto my comments, although she is very "special" to me as a person, it is more because I am taunted with what I can not experiece regularly. MJ hit on it a little bit before in one of his former responses when he admitted his own melancholy at having to return to the US at a time when he did not live in Morelia. The "cold turkey" factor is huge.

And, for some reason, my Angel Girl has made it worse for me than it has ever been....Well, maybe Cindy #1 had a similar effect. But, not any longer. I just think of Cindy #1 now with a little bit of fond sentimentality, but I don't miss seeing her anymore.

I do miss the GFE from Angel Girl, and it only illustrates to me just how austere the prospects are here in the States...Damned depressing ain't it?

I still wish the guys would postpone their July 12th trip back to Monterrey...If they were going to come back so we could be a "Gang" again, I would consider coming back on the weekend of July 21st or the 28th, but I can't get away sooner.

Carlos, start thinking about whether you NEED anything up this way. And...

When you go to Infinito, tell Angry Girl that I sent her a "Feliz Cumpleanos" text message on June 30th. That is her birthday. TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her. She will still give me the finger, but I want her to know that the feelings from this end are still ones of fond sentimentality, and that I have only the best wishes for her.

I mean nothing by it...so, don't assume I am making any effort with her other than to be nice to her. I am not. Angel Girl is my preference, and I am merely trying to be nice to Angry Girl...that's it. Problem is, I don't know if the cell numbers I have for Angry Girl are even any good anymore, probably not. But, I would like to know if she received the messages, and you, with your wiley ways, might be able to get it out of her.

[MonterreyDude]

By the way, this thing I said in a former post: "hookers tell each other EVERYTHING they do or not do with a customer. And what they are not told, they INVENT and spin tales, WHALE of a TALE they do, sometimes for good, but usually for evil."
It is true, specially the "evil" part.

Just happened to me with one of my beloved Lambs of my Sacred Flock that works at the Harem.
She couldn't go to work for a few days, almost 2 weeks, cause no one could take care of her 2 girls, so she stayed home.
When she went back to work, one of the girls on the spot aproached her and told her: "your boyfriend sat with me... I don't know how you can stand him... he is such a nuisance... he's hitting "Z" ... he's hitting on her and the worst part "Z" gave him her phone... am sure they now see each other".

My girlfriend just stares at her and answers: "Not true, I called Carlos both weeks and he was where he always is when not with me, at the Infinito, the only place I give him permission to be at, the only place I allow him to screw girls".
End of chat between them.
I think I saw her the next day at the Harem... I sit with her and in a split of a second she is pinching me hard and asking "are you seeing 'Z'?... are you seeing her outside the club???"
I said "No and if I did I would have told you, like the time I saw "I" and "D" elsewhere..."
End of subject with her....

The hookers apreciate honesty. They like it when it is generated as a mutual agreement between parts (it is a business deal after all).
But they totally hate it when bad news, evil words at it, comes to them as news thru a third party.

[Member #3453]

Carlos says..."It's a thing that you don't do cause every time USB sets foot at the Infinito, he asks both waiters and hookers for her and I've told you many times that these people working under the same roof DO communicate."

Listen...I don't know WHERE you're getting your information, but I DO NOT ask for, attempt to talk to, acknowledge, or anything otherwise or in between with respect to Angry Girl. I haven't for at least 6 months, probably longer. But, I am not afraid to acknowledge her either.

They, meaning all the little elves within El Infinito are again spinning tales about me. I never ask anyone about her. NEVER. Remember, it is she that begs cookies from the "Famous Amos" of Monterrey. I ignore her in spades.

Or, had you forgotten her little display of reverse animus toward me, the time that she coaxed me into giving you a cookie because she refused to ask me for one directly. And, then, as she walked past me with it, she brought it along side her leg so I wouldn't see that she was devouring it. She was starving for one, and just couldn't resist it...too proud to mend fences with me. hahahaha :-)

NO, according to WastedG, it is she that asks about me. I DO NOT Recipricate with any public acknowledgements that I have thought even one second about her. So...there...haha!!

But, I did send her a text message, just because I am a nice guy, and because I still love her. I don't care if I offended her or not...I love that Hooker. My offending here sensibitilities were merely my one venture into the realm of conducting myself as a "Cabron,"...and look were it got me, right? My offending her was not intentional, and YOU know that...And, frankly, I am almost certain she knows it too. She is perpetrating her act out of vengence and cruelty...tisk, tisk, tisk, shame, shame, shame...

Carlos, you are duty bound to determine "if" she received my texted well wishes on her birthday...that's it. If you want me to return, you will do my bidding, sir. :-) End of story.

Screw it...I get NO COOPERATION, so I am going to Colombia...you just made up my mind for me. :-)

I know...tell her I baked some cookies for her birthday and I will be bringing them to her this next trip. She is such a sweet heart...She does NOT have me fooled. I know her better than she would like to admit.



Still you don't get it: "When you go to Infinito, tell Angry Girl that I sent her a "Feliz Cumpleanos" text message on June 30th. That is her birthday. TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her."

This is something I don't get... well, all the guys here don't get:
Why do you waste so much time with "past history" hookers?????

Let me point out that Iam not calling the club girls, "girls" anymore.
Am calling them "ho's" or "hookers", see if USB get it staight he is not dealing with civilian girls, he is dealing and buying time with prostitutes.

Angry Girl and USB had a fight sometime ago over "X,Y, Z" stuff and had a hard break.
During the interim Angry G seems to have either gotten married or is now living with someone on the "serious" side.
Angry girl stares angrily at USB any time they meet at the Infinito cause her ego was seriously damaged by USB and that will stay as is for a long while.

Do you think a hookers heart will mend with a few nice words?
Nope, never will. They are not used to sweet kindness, they are used to rough kindness.
Angry G will only start paying attention if you totally, TOTALLY ignore the fact that she exists.
It's a thing that you don't do cause every time USB sets foot at the Infinito, he asks both waiters and hookers for her and I've told you many times that these people working under the same roof DO communicate.
You have never understoond this, but the hookers tell each other EVERYTHING they do or not do with a customer.
And what they are not told, they INVENT and spin tales, WHALE of a TALE they do, sometimes for good, but usually for evil.

Just look at this: "TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her."
What is this supposed to mean? What do you mean "all others forget about her"?
You see, again, you think you have full control over what a hooker thinks and does and you are very wrong....

Anyway, I didn't know about Angry G's birthday and I wouldn't anyhow, cause she wasn't there yesterday Saturday working, perhaps havin fun with the same people that "forget about her".

Again my friend: you are operating the other way around as you should with hookers. You are waiting for their acceptance when it should always be YOUR acceptance they should be worried about.

[Member #3453]

[QUOTE=The hookers apreciate honesty. They like it when it is generated as a mutual agreement between parts (it is a business deal after all).
But they totally hate it when bad news, evil words at it, comes to them as news thru a third party.[/QUOTE]

So, how is my deal, agreement, whatever, with my Angel Girl, any different than your mutual agreement with your Harem Girl, uhhhhmmmmm??? It sounds like your girl has the same kinds of expectations my Angel Girl has of me, except ours is not entirely business.

Again, the "Master" contradicts himself in our public forum. Explain that one my friend...haha!! I think I got ya'...check and mate.

[Member #3453]

"You are judging whether you come back or not on the "yes or no" of a hooker."

On the face of it, that sounds kind of funny.


Always remember...many times, the things I post here are intended to be satire. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always try to be humorous.

Much has a hint of satire, except how I feel about "MY" hooker, Angel Girl. She knows it, you guys all know it, everybody in El Infinito knows it, my Angel Girl is a girlfriend first, and a hooker second. :-)

Contrary to what all the Cabrons believe, she does not like feeling like a hooker. I am always sure that when she is with me, she does NOT feel like one. In order for me to do that convincingly, I must see her differently than the conventional wisdom portrays her. The world is not made up of black and white, but it is always varying shades of gray. That is my justification for the way I see her, and also for the way that I justify my brand of exclusivity with her, which most fail to understand.

[MonterreyDude]

You see my friend?
That's what the girls say: That you come looking for Angel girl and ask for Angry girl.
What? You don't think the girls notice? They are not blind to that fact that you once you were a client of one, and now of the other.
Yes, and am quite sure this was all Angry G's doing at that time, spreading around stupid things and acting stupid too.
You know when you got famous for that? During Elias the waiter era... remember I got upset about that?

It seems you also don't recall who you went for asking for Angry G, I know cause she told me too and I guess she hasn't forgotten that.
None other than your Angel G.

You see?
It's the same thing that you are building at the Pasarelas with your former Cindy #1 girl and your new "X" girl.
Exactly the same thing.
Same patterns...

Remember USB, we are third parties, we can see the fine detail you miss.

One question: You think going to Colombia will change the pattern?






Carlos says..."It's a thing that you don't do cause every time USB sets foot at the Infinito, he asks both waiters and hookers for her and I've told you many times that these people working under the same roof DO communicate."

Listen...I don't know WHERE you're getting your information, but I DO NOT ask for, attempt to talk to, acknowledge, or anything otherwise or in between with respect to Angry Girl. I haven't for at least 6 months, probably longer. But, I am not afraid to acknowledge her either.

They, meaning all the little elves within El Infinito are again spinning tales about me. I never ask anyone about her. NEVER. Remember, it is she that begs cookies from the "Famous Amos" of Monterrey. I ignore her in spades.

Or, had you forgotten her little display of reverse animus toward me, the time that she coaxed me into giving you a cookie because she refused to ask me for one directly. And, then, as she walked past me with it, she brought it along side her leg so I wouldn't see that she was devouring it. She was starving for one, and just couldn't resist it...too proud to mend fences with me. hahahaha :-)

NO, according to WastedG, it is she that asks about me. I DO NOT Recipricate with any public acknowledgements that I have thought even one second about her. So...there...haha!!

But, I did send her a text message, just because I am a nice guy, and because I still love her. I don't care if I offended her or not...I love that Hooker. My offending here sensibitilities were merely my one venture into the realm of conducting myself as a "Cabron,"...and look were it got me, right? My offending her was not intentional, and YOU know that...And, frankly, I am almost certain she knows it too. She is perpetrating her act out of vengence and cruelty...tisk, tisk, tisk, shame, shame, shame...

Carlos, you are duty bound to determine "if" she received my texted well wishes on her birthday...that's it. If you want me to return, you will do my bidding, sir. :-) End of story.

Screw it...I get NO COOPERATION, so I am going to Colombia...you just made up my mind for me. :-)

I know...tell her I baked some cookies for her birthday and I will be bringing them to her this next trip. She is such a sweet heart...She does NOT have me fooled. I know her better than she would like to admit.

[MonterreyDude]

Of course not!
No contradiction here.
She knows I screw everything that moves East of the Casino.
She has seen every trophy picture I carry of every girl I've done and she has become one too.
My Harem girl wants me for my money, nothing more.
This is the important part: I don't care what she thinks, I am the one that owns the relationship, not her.
One slip by her and she is out the window... and she knows that quite well.





So, how is my deal, agreement, whatever, with my Angel Girl, any different than your mutual agreement with your Harem Girl, uhhhhmmmmm??? It sounds like your girl has the same kinds of expectations my Angel Girl has of me, except ours is not entirely business.

Again, the "Master" contradicts himself in our public forum. Explain that one my friend...haha!! I think I got ya'...check and mate.

[Member #3453]

Well, the girls are full of bologna...I NEVER ask them about Angry girl, not for at least 6 months. I do look for Angel Girl, of course, and they all know that I prefer her now. But, originally, I did not say a word to anyone about looking for Angel Girl. I was NEVER seen with her prior to Angel Girl spreading the word that she was my "hooker." It was she that spread that word, not me.

Angel Girl brings up the subject of Angry Girl on occassion, but it is always entirely her idea to bring it up, telling me that Angry Girl is asking about me, and telling me that Angry Girl has started to talk to Angel Girl on occassion, when in the past, they were virtually unknown to one another.

My liasons with Angel Girl were completely clandestined meetings, with NO ONE knowing about our meetings outside the club. I never bar fined her, not once, except for the one time in 2005, the first time. I never took her in the privados prior to it being common knowledge that we were together. I never did anything with her but talk with her on the floor of the club, and then it was for only for very brief moments.

I have seen soooooo many girls in Monterrey in five years. I can tell you first hand that none of them comes close to my experiences with Angel Girl. If she is off the list, then I do not want to do the HARD WORK that is required to find others of equal quality...It really IS that much work, and that much more expensive than a place like Colombia. It is up to Angel Girl...she holds the key to my feeling whether my time and money is worth my return to Monterrey in lieu of another venues.

That, my friend, is the ultimate control over the situation...I am not over-reacting, or being overly dramatic. But, other venues do not yield this kind of BS drama from the girls. In other venues, they are much more appreciative of their benefactors, and they clammer to land a long term GFE/BFE arrangement, which is what I seek. When I say long term, I am referring to LT, that being todo la noche, and perhaps even as long as several days at a time.

For me, it's a no-brainer. I can get the same experience in Colombia that Angel Girl delivers, but she is not really trying hard enough to convince me to return, so I will just make the trip to Colombia and be done with all the drama. So, to answer your question, yes it will change things. I WILL miss you immensely Carlos!!! :-( But, basd on your opinions of the way things are progressing for me, an extended absence from Monterrey is probably my best strategy under these circumstances then.


You see my friend?
That's what the girls say: That you come looking for Angel girl and ask for Angry girl.
What? You don't think the girls notice? They are not blind to that fact that you once you were a client of one, and now of the other.
Yes, and am quite sure this was all Angry G's doing at that time, spreading around stupid things and acting stupid too.
You know when you got famous for that? During Elias the waiter era... remember I got upset about that?

It seems you also don't recall who you went for asking for Angry G, I know cause she told me too and I guess she hasn't forgotten that.
None other than your Angel G.

You see?
It's the same thing that you are building at the Pasarelas with your former Cindy #1 girl and your new "X" girl.
Exactly the same thing.
Same patterns...

Remember USB, we are third parties, we can see the fine detail you miss.

One question: You think going to Colombia will change the pattern?

[MexicanYank]

Hey guys-looks like you all know the Monterrey scene pretty well! Impressive.

We are some "gringos" down here for business just for Monday night before heading to Mexico City.

Would love some recommendations on clubs. Prefer something middle of the road. Not super expensive but not dives either. Definitely looking for girls that enjoy salidas. Attitude and enthusiasm much more important than being super hot.

I know it is Monday, but any recommendations would be great.

Any suggestions for Mexico City too?

Thanks!

[Member #3453]

Check my report in the "reports of distinction" part of the Northern Mexico section posted by Prokofiev, and it should point you in the right direction. Almost everything I would say here is in that report.

Prok also has some good recommendations for massage parlors.

Oh, what the hell, here is the direct link...

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=576621&postcount=1489

Then!!!! PLEASE...Give "US" a trip report on how things went, with all the sorted details, but don't soil our pristine doves in the process >:-)

We make many recommendations, both publicly here in the Monterrey section, and via the Private Message System, but sometimes we hear little about how things came out. That would be super to actually hear some reports back about the experiences you had, good or bad...

Have a great time! Sorry, but I have always heard that Mexico City is the pits...Perhaps Carlos can refer you somewhere...I know that Nibu Rafael claims Mexico City to be a good venue, but I think his experience is primarily within the massage parlors. I believe you will find fun in the clubs to be very expensive, and the experiences to be relatively cold, hard, and professional in comparison to Monterrey.

To my brotheren...see dudes, I am not hording girls. Besides, I think my Angel Girl is out of town, tending to her sick water buffalo in San Luis Potosi.


Hey guys-looks like you all know the Monterrey scene pretty well! Impressive.

We are some "gringos" down here for business just for Monday night before heading to Mexico City.

Would love some recommendations on clubs. Prefer something middle of the road. Not super expensive but not dives either. Definitely looking for girls that enjoy salidas. Attitude and enthusiasm much more important than being super hot.

I know it is Monday, but any recommendations would be great.

Any suggestions for Mexico City too?

Thanks!

[MexicanYank]

Well. We took the recommendations of Carlos and Spongebob. And tried out Casino. Unfortunately, it was absolutely dead there tonight. The Argentina/Columbia futbol game was on. And no dancing. No one came over to us. Even when the game was over, 1 girl danced and then 4 songs with no one else. So we left.

Since Prestige was right down the street, we decided to go there. Knowing it was going to be expensive. But I must say, a definite good time was had by all! Virtually every woman in there was very attractive, with several that were HOT HOT HOT. More importantly, we met a couple that were very fun and intelligent. Yes, believe it or not I do like to talk to the women as well.

Met a sexy, sultry gal from Mexico DF that was perfection named Cindy. Smooth skin, beautiful face, nice 36c's (REAL! ) that were very firm. Dark hair went to mid-back, sexy body. All in all I was done the moment I saw her.

Took one girl up for a 15 min dance for 650 pesos (OUCH! ) to try and get the "lay of the land" before I took Cindy up there. And it was a good private lap dance. But not worth $65. Cindy on the other hand was SMOKIN' Kept it pretty clean during the 15 minute dance, but then we got a private room for an hour for 2500 pesos. Plus 200 tip. Well worth it. Definitely felt like a gfe. Even afterwards, she came back down with me, snuggled, kissed etc while I was waiting to get the check paid. I HIGHLY recommend her. And would put her up against some of the best in the US. Other's might be hotter because of their legs or lips or whatever turns you on. But she also brought a very fun, lively personality.

Y'all know the downside. The prices. I could swallow that. But the credit card surcharge is just ridiculous.

Thanks again!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[MonterreyDude]

MexicanYank
Sorry I read your post too late (1:30 am), but I have been busy with some family stuff and a birthday party....
Hope you had fun anyway....
Please post your story so we can lean heavy on it...
Just kidding!!!




Hey guys-looks like you all know the Monterrey scene pretty well! Impressive.

We are some "gringos" down here for business just for Monday night before heading to Mexico City.

Would love some recommendations on clubs. Prefer something middle of the road. Not super expensive but not dives either. Definitely looking for girls that enjoy salidas. Attitude and enthusiasm much more important than being super hot.

I know it is Monday, but any recommendations would be great.

Any suggestions for Mexico City too?

Thanks!

[Member #3453]

Mexicanyank,

If we seem to "lean heavily," it is because we know all the other options, and are logistically savy with respect to all the clubs in Monterrey. To us, a walk on the wild side is to spend time and money in the higher end clubs on the night shift.

Thanks for the report...The important thing is that you had FUN! and it sounds like you did.

With respect to Monday nights, they can sometimes be very slow in Monterrey. I have noticed that even Sunday nights are sometimes superior to the first couple days of the work week. But, the downside to Sunday nights is that so many of the clubs are closed on Sunday, and you're club options are somewhat limited. And, as you mentioned, the "games" can sometimes cause havok in Monterrey...very disappointing when that happens.

We frequent Prestige all the time for the lunch buffet in the late afternoon. It is very good, only 60 pesos, but we avoid spending money in the privados, simply because the cost is extremely high, and we have other options that are much less expensive in other clubs. However, we do have our girlfriends on the afternoon shift at Prestige, and some of us are guilty of buying them a moderate number of drinks, primarily because we enjoy their company, but usually with NO expectation for any activity inside or outside the club.

That's the downside to the higher end clubs, they are staffed with girls that are consumate professionals at getting your money, without your being too aware in the moment that their brand of larceny is going on, especially if you are a newbie to Monterrey. Plus, coming from that environment in the US, we Gringos see much of what we get in return for our money as a relative bargain. So, to the girls, we are generally considered a good payday because we will spend our money more freely in anticipation of what we do NOT get in the States.

In this particular circumstance, with Casino being slow, and with your not being familiar with Monterrey like we are, I can certainly understand your decision to at least start the party at Prestige, having at least some kind of fun before the night slips away, deciding not to speculate that you might find other clubs just as slow as Casino. There is nothing quite so frustrating as to be chasing your tail as time slips away...So, while I would never recommend that you attend the high end clubs and spend any real money, especially at night, I can understand your decision to want to get the "show on the road."

One thing about it...Prestige, and all of the higher end clubs, including even some of the medium level clubs, are physically very comfortable. And, for a group of Gringos down for the night, I can understand the attraction in comparison to a place like El Infinito for example, where the facilities would most probably be interpreted by most Gringos as a "dive." We veterans of Monterrey know differently because we utilize that environment to our relative advantage, but for many Gringo newbies to Monterrey, the experience in the lower end clubs seems to get mixed reviews.

The higher end clubs take less experience for a Gringo to enjoy themselves, but at a much higher cost. Glad you had fun!!! Let us know if you're coming back and maybe we'll also be on the ground at the same time and/or be available to show you the full range of your other options.

Carlos, I assume he is referring to "Cindy," verdad? If so, Mexicanyank, she is HOT, HOT, HOT...not a girl that we are particularly close to, but she is HOT none-the-less. She likes younger guys, and will usually only turn on the charm when the "opportunities" present themselves to her standards. We old geezers, on the other hand, are virtually ignored by her. But, probably that has something also to do with our being skin-flints, usually in the club just for the buffet in the afternoon, and tight with our dinero, relatively tight that is :-)

Oh, one more thing...I am curious, did Cindy quote you a price to bar fine her to your hotel?...and if so, what amount did she quote you and for what span of time? If they are charging 2500 pesos in-house, plus the tip, for one hour, the cost to take Cindy on Salida to your hotel must be out-frickin'-rageous.

Not to rub it in, but the vets of Monterrey routinely find girls for half the cost, and spend anywhere from about two to four hours in our hotels rooms with them. Of course, with our favorites and regulars, the sky is the limit with respect to discounted fares and extra time in our hotel rooms as well. But, most of us have spent wildly with respect to travel cost, excluding Carlos of course, in order to achieve this end, having visited frequently and staying many days, some of us doing so over the course of many years. So, perhaps in the final analysis, your's was a comparatively cheap venture with arguably the hottest girl in Prestige.



Well. We took the recommendations of Carlos and Spongebob. And tried out Casino. Unfortunately, it was absolutely dead there tonight. The Argentina/Columbia futbol game was on. And no dancing. No one came over to us. Even when the game was over, 1 girl danced and then 4 songs with no one else. So we left.

Since Prestige was right down the street, we decided to go there. Knowing it was going to be expensive. But I must say, a definite good time was had by all! Virtually every woman in there was very attractive, with several that were HOT HOT HOT. More importantly, we met a couple that were very fun and intelligent. Yes, believe it or not I do like to talk to the women as well.

Met a sexy, sultry gal from Mexico DF that was perfection named Cindy. Smooth skin, beautiful face, nice 36c's (REAL! ) that were very firm. Dark hair went to mid-back, sexy body. All in all I was done the moment I saw her.

Took one girl up for a 15 min dance for 650 pesos (OUCH! ) to try and get the "lay of the land" before I took Cindy up there. And it was a good private lap dance. But not worth $65. Cindy on the other hand was SMOKIN' Kept it pretty clean during the 15 minute dance, but then we got a private room for an hour for 2500 pesos. Plus 200 tip. Well worth it. Definitely felt like a gfe. Even afterwards, she came back down with me, snuggled, kissed etc while I was waiting to get the check paid. I HIGHLY recommend her. And would put her up against some of the best in the US. Other's might be hotter because of their legs or lips or whatever turns you on. But she also brought a very fun, lively personality.

Y'all know the downside. The prices. I could swallow that. But the credit card surcharge is just ridiculous.

Thanks again!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[MonterreyDude]

there are several reasons why i personally don't opt going to high end clubs like prestige:
1. prices. ridiculously high.
2. the stupid idea that high end clubs want to pass along that a customer is in heaven surrounded by virginal girls... which is of course bs.
3. girls tend to believe this and act acordingly (they see themselves as non-hookers and iam not kidding).
4. worse, the house also believes this and does not allow us to kiss the girls, plus no necking, groping... having fun.

yes, you can have fun but it costs tons of money.

ps for unspongebob: of course the cindy mentioned here by mexicanyank is not afternoon shift cindy... that cindy is long dead, out of the loop, caught in the act by her family, finito.

getting night shift girls to see you on the side requires expertise and yes, money. some quote high. had briefly a friend that quoted me 3500 pesos.
i laugh so much and ridiculed her right there while she sat with me, till she herself accepted 1000 pesos.
but doing that takes a large ammount of knowing how the girls move or don't move and of course, speaking spanish.

as for your casino experience...
casino is owned by the same guy that owns the prestige.
(brother club obsession and harem are owned by the guy's brother, same setup, different rules and prices though)
i've heard rumors through the local grapevine that the casino has changed the way it operates.
the place had been going thru an extensive renovation to set it up as a medium expensive club, up to par to poisson mc (near the hotel district), change the set up, improve girl quality, allowing the owner to charge upper level prices.
plus there have been some succesful new small clubs opening in the near periphery of monterrey (nefertiti is one of them) operating exactly like a midium upper class club.
it might have been a monday, but the regular girls are are supposed to show as if it were a regular job, which means that there has been an exodus.
your report confirms this is happening.

thank you mexicanyank for mentioning it... i'll go and check it out.




well. we took the recommendations of carlos and spongebob. and tried out casino. unfortunately, it was absolutely dead there tonight. the argentina/columbia futbol game was on. and no dancing. no one came over to us. even when the game was over, 1 girl danced and then 4 songs with no one else. so we left.

since prestige was right down the street, we decided to go there. knowing it was going to be expensive. but i must say, a definite good time was had by all! virtually every woman in there was very attractive, with several that were hot hot hot. more importantly, we met a couple that were very fun and intelligent. yes, believe it or not i do like to talk to the women as well.

met a sexy, sultry gal from mexico df that was perfection named cindy. smooth skin, beautiful face, nice 36c's (real! ) that were very firm. dark hair went to mid-back, sexy body. all in all i was done the moment i saw her.

took one girl up for a 15 min dance for 650 pesos (ouch! ) to try and get the "lay of the land" before i took cindy up there. and it was a good private lap dance. but not worth $65. cindy on the other hand was smokin' kept it pretty clean during the 15 minute dance, but then we got a private room for an hour for 2500 pesos. plus 200 tip. well worth it. definitely felt like a gfe. even afterwards, she came back down with me, snuggled, kissed etc while i was waiting to get the check paid. i highly recommend her. and would put her up against some of the best in the us. other's might be hotter because of their legs or lips or whatever turns you on. but she also brought a very fun, lively personality.

y'all know the downside. the prices. i could swallow that. but the credit card surcharge is just ridiculous.

thanks again!

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[El Cabron 007]

You two need to lighten up a little. Had it been MY first visit, and ONLY night, in Monterrey, I would have done the exact same thing and will leave with a big smile and fond memories. Remember, ONE NIGHT. Good Hunt, money well spent and fun was had. <-- Notice the period here?

Wasted


There are several reasons why I personally don't opt going to high end clubs like Prestige:
1. Prices. Ridiculously high.
2. The stupid idea that High End clubs want to pass along that a customer is in heaven surrounded by virginal girls... which is of course BS.
3. Girls tend to believe this and act acordingly (they see themselves as non-hookers and Iam not kidding).
4. Worse, the House also believes this and does not allow us to kiss the girls, plus no necking, groping... having fun.

Yes, you can have fun but it costs TONS of money.

Thank you MexicanYank for mentioning it... I'll go and check it out.

[Member #3453]

Carlos says:

"Plus there have been some succesful new small clubs opening in the near periphery of Monterrey (Nefertiti is one of them) operating exactly like a midium upper class club."

Are you trying to lure me back??? uhmmmm???

A new club ehhhhh? You sly devil you....Well, you have peaked my interest. You know just how to push all the USB buttons.

Give us a review of it when you get a chance to check it out thoroughly. How far is it from El Centro? I am most interested to see how it is.

But, as you mentioned, if it means that there has been an exodus from Casino, then are we to expect the same lineup at "HEFFerTITI" as we sometimes get at the Casino? (Get my joke, HEFFerTiti, as in "Cow"...Heffer, hahahahah!!! :-))))..sorry).

WastedG,

Don't misunderstand, I fully agree with you. They had a good time, and I don't necessarily mean to rain on their parade just because they decided to go to one of the high end bars. But, at the same time, we would not, as vets, be wasting our money there. Remember, we comment on here to make everyone aware of ALL the possibilties, and not as a criticism of their decisions to do one thing or another....except with regard to comments and criticisms made with respect to where USB's love/lust interests are concerned, verdad? :-)))))))))))))))) But, my comments are strictly meant as constructive and not criticism concerning one's choice of "entertainment."


You two need to lighten up a little. Had it been MY first visit, and ONLY night, in Monterrey, I would have done the exact same thing and will leave with a big smile and fond memories. Remember, ONE NIGHT. Good Hunt, money well spent and fun was had. <-- Notice the period here?

Wasted

[Member #3453]

PS for Unspongebob: Of course the Cindy mentioned here by MexicanYank is not afternoon shift Cindy... that Cindy is long dead, out of the loop, caught in the act by her family, finito.

Wow...that is interesting gossip. Now you have my interest peaked even further. I will have to come back to get all the sorted details...You sly dog you...luring me back...dangling the carrot.

Carlos is also right about some of the girls believing they are NOT hookers.

Hell, if they believe it, why can't I...?

But, seriously, many girls working in the bars are totally intrinsically convinced that they are "Professional Entertainers" and not "Hookers." I will never forget the comment made by one of the former girls at the Prestige, Keenya, when we were all discussing the plight of prostitutes, and she made some kind of comment like, "I sure am glad I am not one of those."

I believe they especially see their positions in the high end clubs as glamourous, and when they compare their jobs to that of a street walker, what they interpret as the definition of a hooker, they draw a distinction in their own minds that there is something more "legitimate" about their jobs.

It is just like when many of them tell us that they do what they do because it is their job, and they earn comparatively huge wages as a result, but that we do what we do because we are having fun. They draw a distinction that because it is their job, they are exempt from being branded as they are, and even psychologicially, it serves to insulate them in their own minds from the realities of what they do. If it's their job, it's "legitimized." I find this distinction alive and well in Mexico, but do not sense that the girls doing the same thing in the US are under any dilusions about what they do for a living. But, in Mexico, they are totally convinced that their choice to prostitute themselves is legitimate, provided they are earning money to survive and prosper, especially if it be for the welfare of their families and children.

My own personal opionion is that they do things that are not too far off of sticking your gloved finger into somebodies asshole as part of a physical exam. But, we separate those kinds of behaviors in our minds, giving the medical field considerably more "respect," as it should be. But, just because society brands our girls with such contempt, I do not disrespect what my girlfriends do for me. I am not so high and mighty as to assume any judgements on them, other than to judge them with respect to my own safety and security.

Frankly, if a girl offers her services with GFE sincerity, at least with as much sincerity as a compassionate medical worker, I see very little difference. Both are offering relief, and both are doing it for MONEY. I believe with respect to the services offered, there is very little difference between the benevolent medical worker and the GFE hooker. If a GFE hooker is sincere in her obligations and responsibilities to her clients, she sees her responsibilities with just as much dedication as the accomplished medical professional, especially so if she knows you well, perhaps even transcending a professional sense of responsibility. Think about it...

[El Cabron 007]

Fuck that shit. What the heck is wrong with you Bob? Have you lost your mind? Are you mad? :-) - Seriously, are you mad? :)

You want to compare an "Angel of Mercy" to a hooker? And you think if we "think about it" we too will be convinced and "see very little difference"?

Besides, Carlos is not trying to lure you back. Where did he say that?

Hey Bob. So you coming or not? We have wild plans for next weekend. Don’t try to justify your visit. Just come on down, the water is fine. There’s no need to explain. No one will question your decision not to return. Like me, every trip is my last trip and so is this one. My only fear is that my last deed on earth would be screwing a hooker. Or should I say a nurse?

Wasted



Frankly, if a girl offers her services with GFE sincerity, at least with as much sincerity as a compassionate medical worker, I see very little difference. Both are offering relief, and both are doing it for MONEY. I believe with respect to the services offered, there is very little difference between the benevolent medical worker and the GFE hooker. If a GFE hooker is sincere in her obligations and responsibilities to her clients, she sees her responsibilities with just as much dedication as the accomplished medical professional, especially so if she knows you well, perhaps even transcending a professional sense of responsibility. Think about it...

[Member #3453]

Yes, but I only draw the comparison with respect to "MY" certified GFE girls. The rest of them do not compare to the proverbial "angels of mercy."

Listen, my angels of mercy are every bit true angels of mercy as any nurse I have ever met, and I have dealth with a ton of them in my former life.

As for Carlos luring me back...I am pulling his chain.

NOOOOO, I am not coming back. But, thank you for asking. And, WTF is the hurry...going back so soon, June the frickin' 12th!!! Give it a rest, verdad? Let your system recouperate. Talk about needing angels of mercy..."Mercy, Mercy, Me...!!!"

and...with respect to my implied madness...

You are already considering that my madness is indeed "enlightened thought," about "our angels of mercy," and before you are done, you will adopt my way of thinking...REMEMBER...remember that when that time comes, WastedG, when you begin to view them as I have described them, remember that it was I that first told you so. Of course, I do not compare them intellectually with the true angels of mercy, or their moral fortitude...oh no, but I do compare them with respect to what they do to offer me relief, which I am in constant dire need of in order to SURVIVE :-)

And, which would you rather have for your epitaph..."screwing a hooker. Or should I say a nurse?"

PS- WastedG says: "We have wild plans for next weekend."

How wild??? :-) You are only trying to trick into believing there will be "nurses" there in Monterrey that are worth a shit.


Fuck that shit. What the heck is wrong with you Bob? Have you lost your mind? Are you mad? :-) - Seriously, are you mad? :)

You want to compare an "Angel of Mercy" to a hooker? And you think if we "think about it" we too will be convinced and "see very little difference"?

Besides, Carlos is not trying to lure you back. Where did he say that?

Hey Bob. So you coming or not? We have wild plans for next weekend. Don’t try to justify your visit. Just come on down, the water is fine. There’s no need to explain. No one will question your decision not to return. Like me, every trip is my last trip and so is this one. My only fear is that my last deed on earth would be screwing a hooker. Or should I say a nurse?

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

While Unspongebob and Wasted trade love letters, the Fearless Leader of Monterrey club hopping (that being, me) has done some checking on the Casino-Harem change of rules.

Unfortunately the bad news is here to stay.
Casino has indeed started to ante up prices and change policies, dance policies and girl policies to make the joint classier.

Harem has also stepped up the presure on the girls so the House can get more money.

Acording to this the girls now have a quota of drinks and table dances to get their salary.
They now have to make 12 dances and 6 drinks if they want their daily bread.

All this is due to the fact that:
1. the girls abused a lot, getting into the business and just staying in the dressing room till 1 am.
2. The girls just not doing their job which is getting money into the House's wallet.
3. In all, the House is right up to the point that the girls were just staying in the dressing rooms, chatting, SMSing or just sleeping.
4. The part that will be damaging is that the girls will just be intrested in drinks and privados and to hell with the customers.....

I still need to check the prices part....

[Member #3453]

I for one have complained regularly about girls not making much or any effort in some of the clubs. This change seems to verify my complaint that many, many of the girls are useless, and not deserving of our patronage. Many are lazy, "staying in the dressing rooms, chatting, SMSing or just sleeping."

The club managers are right!!! I notice them sleeping or absent from the floor all the time in some of the clubs, and it's not because they are busy in the privados or upstairs entertaining clientele. I realize that the clubs are not advocating for us, the customer, and their goal is to separate us from more of our money, but perhaps the shake-up will motivate the girls to be more entertaining.

But, honestly, Harem was not one of the clubs where I had this complaint about the girls. I have never really been a fan of Casino, so a change there might be welcome. It could go either way, the girls being more attentive to earn more drinks from us, or possibly it could go the other way with them drinking too fast, which will cost us more money, and possibly yield less overall "entertainment" value, ultimately, I believe, resulting in a decline in the numbers of patrons that frequent their establishment. I'm not particularly eager to see the girls develop more mercenary attitudes either, but I would like them to be much more charming, available, and attentive than many seem to be at this juncture.

Frankly, I am not necessarily opposed to buying an extra drink over the course of the evening if the girls earn it. Unfortunately, in the past, too many girls in the lineups just expected us to support them while many of them chose to be relatively lifeless and uninteresting.

Personally, I think the managers do not realize that by restricting the girls activities, the groping, the smooching, the lap dancing, etc...that they stiffle their business. That is one reason I like Pasarelas.

Watch the best girls at Pasarelas, where there does not seem to be those kinds of restrictions placed on the girls, and you'll see a very successful, well attended club, where the girls seem to sell a lot of drinks. The key is keeping the customer entertained, and in the process, selling numbers of drinks because the customer is enjoying the experience.

I see that model working well at Pasarelas, and unless the girls at Casino and Harem are permitted to use their "charms" to sell more drinks, instead of operating those clubs in the "high end" model, I anticipate a decline in business for both Harem and Casino. A more restrictive environment where the girl's activities such as the groping, the lap dances at your table, and the smooching, etc...is restricted, does not, IMHO, make for a very good business model.

But, perhaps this little change will also motivate some of the girls to take extra care of their regular customers in other ways, as in making themselves available for salida, when in the past they were vestal virgins in that department. Afterall, they might have to rely on those of us that are regulars and semi-regulars in order to survive the crackdown, and in order to ultimately make salary...

But, honestly, if the girls are more interested in selling drinks and getting me into the privados, they are going to have to turn on a significant level of charm, and make themselves relatively easily available for salidas, otherwise, what's the point in spending more money on them. I hope they get the picture. If they get the picture, it could be better, perhaps at a slightly higher price per visit, but at least the entertainment value would be enhanced.

Only time will tell, but usually there is a silver lining to every change. Who knows, maybe it will drive some of our girls to other venues where we will prosper as a result of the change.

Thanks for the update...very interesting change.


While Unspongebob and Wasted trade love letters, the Fearless Leader of Monterrey club hopping (that being, me) has done some checking on the Casino-Harem change of rules.

Unfortunately the bad news is here to stay.
Casino has indeed started to ante up prices and change policies, dance policies and girl policies to make the joint classier.

Harem has also stepped up the presure on the girls so the House can get more money.

Acording to this the girls now have a quota of drinks and table dances to get their salary.
They now have to make 12 dances and 6 drinks if they want their daily bread.

All this is due to the fact that:
1. the girls abused a lot, getting into the business and just staying in the dressing room till 1 am.
2. The girls just not doing their job which is getting money into the House's wallet.
3. In all, the House is right up to the point that the girls were just staying in the dressing rooms, chatting, SMSing or just sleeping.
4. The part that will be damaging is that the girls will just be intrested in drinks and privados and to hell with the customers.....

I still need to check the prices part....

[MexicanYank]

Hello again. I was surprised that my post would invoke such social discourse!

To answer a few questions, part of the reasons we went to Casino and Prestige was because when we had scoped out the other end of Madero, there were several trucks of Policia Federales in their fatigues and flak jackets. So we said "No THANKS". And that was while it was still light.

As for Prestige. I have been a "hobbyist" off and on for 5 years. And understand and agree with the comments about high-end clubs. That is whether it is in Monterrey or any other city. The higher the price, the less you are usually able to do because the club doesn't want trouble (why risk a good thing). So I try to stay away from them. But as Wasted said. It was well into the evening with a 7AM flight to Mexico City. And I wanted some fun. I am usually a pretty good pick on who will be fun and whole will not. The first one that sat with me I knew would play by the rules. But because she actually tried to sit and talk, and put effort into her actions, I bought her a drink and 15 minutes. She worked hard for it. Even if it was rather tame.

Cindy was the one I had spotted. And had kept giving me eyes. And when she sat with us. I definitely figured she would be a fun one. USB asked about a 2 hour stint. Really pricey. Almost 6k, and the girl gets like 2500 of it. So I had talked with her about meeting for dinner on the next trip, and she was agreeable for a discounted rate that would be for the WHOLE night. But she wanted more than the 2500. I can't blame her for that. She is able to earn it at the club. So the fact that other girls will do it for less, it is not her real competition. She will make the money no matter what.

Hell. I have paid more than $600 USD in the states for a few hours (albeit, it was practically like having a sex slave). So don't think 300USD for the whole night with a hot GFE is unreasonable. To USB's point, if I had time to scope out and experiment with girls at mid-level clubs, I would do so with energy! But trips to Monterrey will be periodic at best and short.

Like every service provider (plumber, electrician, "nurse", etc), they all provide a service. Those that milk the job and don't provide good service end up earning much less than those that do. At least at my favorite clubs because of things like this forum. The word spreads.

It's been fun. Will let you know when I am back in the area.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[MexicanYank]

We are there on Wed night.

[El Cabron 007]

But beware of pre-paying the girls. Some will charm the socks off of you and will make you feel like a king. While you arrange for a meeting and once you agree on a price, pay attention to how the girl will work you. But mostly, be careful pre-paying for her service.

I was with a girl at Prestige that I enjoyed so much, I stayed back while the guys left to el infi. I wanted her. I also like to think that I am a known client at Prestige that girls know better than to try and scam me. She started telling me about her sick mother and hungry child. Then she asked for a down payment promising she will come and stay all night.

I walked out.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

Iam very sorry MexicanYank, Mexico City is way off my turff.
Only thing I can tell you that if you think Monterrey has expensive 5 star clubs, wait till you step in one of them at Mexico City
I can tell you, beware of everyone in the sense that every single person will ask for a tip, starting from the doorman, to the hostess that will sit you down, to the waiter, to the guy that will recieve payment for the private dances...
Carry with you 20 peso bills and give them out. 20 per head.
Believe me they are expecting at least 50 pesos but act dumb and tell them "later".
The unfortunate part here is that the expensive clubs are the safest in Mexico City...
Contrary to Monterrey, where you can literarly walk up and down Madero Ave, where the clubs are, and at night and nothing will happen to you.
Even if you see police in flack jackets.. believe it or not, that is the regular uniform.
I've been doing the nightclub rounds for 26 years safely and without incident.
Monterrey is still one of the safests city in Mexico.



We are there on Wed night.

[MonterreyDude]

No!!!!!!!!!!!
This: "I realize that the clubs are not advocating for us, the customer, and their goal is to separate us from more of our money, but perhaps the shake-up will motivate the girls to be more entertaining."
Is so wrong!
Now it will be up to par with clubs like TVO, Azul Tequilas, Poisson.... The girls will not be more entertaining... they will only be doing math in their heads, as in "how many privados and drinks do I need to get my salary".

This will be exactly as the Infinito, where the girls are constantly checking how many privados they have, checking their tickets, without paying attention to us.




I for one have complained regularly about girls not making much or any effort in some of the clubs. This change seems to verify my complaint that many, many of the girls are useless, and not deserving of our patronage. Many are lazy, "staying in the dressing rooms, chatting, SMSing or just sleeping."

The club managers are right!!! I notice them sleeping or absent from the floor all the time in some of the clubs, and it's not because they are busy in the privados or upstairs entertaining clientele. I realize that the clubs are not advocating for us, the customer, and their goal is to separate us from more of our money, but perhaps the shake-up will motivate the girls to be more entertaining.

But, honestly, Harem was not one of the clubs where I had this complaint about the girls. I have never really been a fan of Casino, so a change there might be welcome. It could go either way, the girls being more attentive to earn more drinks from us, or possibly it could go the other way with them drinking too fast, which will cost us more money, and possibly yield less overall "entertainment" value, ultimately, I believe, resulting in a decline in the numbers of patrons that frequent their establishment. I'm not particularly eager to see the girls develop more mercenary attitudes either, but I would like them to be much more charming, available, and attentive than many seem to be at this juncture.

Frankly, I am not necessarily opposed to buying an extra drink over the course of the evening if the girls earn it. Unfortunately, in the past, too many girls in the lineups just expected us to support them while many of them chose to be relatively lifeless and uninteresting.

Personally, I think the managers do not realize that by restricting the girls activities, the groping, the smooching, the lap dancing, etc...that they stiffle their business. That is one reason I like Pasarelas.

Watch the best girls at Pasarelas, where there does not seem to be those kinds of restrictions placed on the girls, and you'll see a very successful, well attended club, where the girls seem to sell a lot of drinks. The key is keeping the customer entertained, and in the process, selling numbers of drinks because the customer is enjoying the experience.

I see that model working well at Pasarelas, and unless the girls at Casino and Harem are permitted to use their "charms" to sell more drinks, instead of operating those clubs in the "high end" model, I anticipate a decline in business for both Harem and Casino. A more restrictive environment where the girl's activities such as the groping, the lap dances at your table, and the smooching, etc...is restricted, does not, IMHO, make for a very good business model.

But, perhaps this little change will also motivate some of the girls to take extra care of their regular customers in other ways, as in making themselves available for salida, when in the past they were vestal virgins in that department. Afterall, they might have to rely on those of us that are regulars and semi-regulars in order to survive the crackdown, and in order to ultimately make salary...

But, honestly, if the girls are more interested in selling drinks and getting me into the privados, they are going to have to turn on a significant level of charm, and make themselves relatively easily available for salidas, otherwise, what's the point in spending more money on them. I hope they get the picture. If they get the picture, it could be better, perhaps at a slightly higher price per visit, but at least the entertainment value would be enhanced.

Only time will tell, but usually there is a silver lining to every change. Who knows, maybe it will drive some of our girls to other venues where we will prosper as a result of the change.

Thanks for the update...very interesting change.

[Member #3453]

Now it will be up to par with clubs like TVO, Azul Tequilas, Poisson.... The girls will not be more entertaining... they will only be doing math in their heads, as in "how many privados and drinks do I need to get my salary".

You might be absolutely right. I hope NOT!!! But, if the clubs start to go down the same road as Azul Tequilla, TVO, and Poisson, I will have to really start considering my other options. Because, honestly, and you know I'm right on this, if those are the quality of clubs we are destined to patronize in Monterrey in the future, then we really do have some real disappointments down the road.

I was basically kidding about NOT returning before, but literally, if the Azul Tequillas of the world are all I have to look forward to in the future, my absolutely most HATED of all the clubs in Monterrey, then I really am dependent on just a handful of decent remaining clubs.

With respect to the attitude at Infinito, at least it has the potential for bar fining girls without too much difficulty, and at a reasonable price. If the medium level clubs start to suck, and then they also have higher bar fines, and the girls are less available to bar fine because they're worried about selling enough drinks and privados to make salary, thereby making them less available to leave the clubs on salida, then we are in trouble.

I don't know...I was scoping out San Jose, Cali, Medellin, and Cartegena last night the AA website. I am still drawn to Monterrey for obvious reasons, my Angel Girl, my "X" girl, and "New Potential HOT girl" at Pasarelas, and of course notwithstanding the comradre of mis amigos, but if the changes result in the clubs all being like Poisson, TVO, and Azul, I will have to consider all my other options just to make my financial expenditures on future trips worthwhile. Once again, my Angel Girl IS key, as is my flock that I am establishing in Pasarelas. And, or course, a broadening of my options in clubs like Infinito will become much more important, and a truly wise strategic change for me, especially if Angel Girl's availability is so adversely affected as it has been lately.

[Member #3453]

Don't worry, your escapades did not evoke any more social discourse than what is the norm in this section. We always have these discussions, philosophical and sociological discussions. Sorry, I am the instigator, and the worst offender.

On another note, I must comment that with regard to your understandable fear of the policia in flak jackets...for future reference, generally speaking, FEAR NOT.

They are constantly running around Monterrey in that kind of dress, and it's primarily meant as a display for the masses. Sometimes, of course, they are conducting inspections of the bars, checking for ID's from the girls, looking for weapons and drug dealers, etc...but, those instances, many of which I have been present for numerous times over the years, are very tame, and relatively quickly concluded in the bars. The policia in Monterrey conduct themselves with totaly professionalism, and I have personally never witnessed any procedures that would be threatening, not even to a Gringo...no shakedowns, no planting of evidence on the Gringo, no extorting money, etc...

I remember one time seeing the policia block off Avenida Constitution, the main freeway in Monterrey. Police Officers were stationed along the freeway with machine guns brandished, flak jackets, etc...They were there for about thirty minutes, then gone. Who knows what they were up to, probably nothing more than striking a little element of fear into the public, making it appear that they were in the process of doing something that justified their existence...Just a PR stunt designed to send a message of some kind? Who knows...but, the reality was, there was simply nothing to it.


Hello again. I was surprised that my post would invoke such social discourse!

To answer a few questions, part of the reasons we went to Casino and Prestige was because when we had scoped out the other end of Madero, there were several trucks of Policia Federales in their fatigues and flak jackets. So we said "No THANKS". And that was while it was still light.

As for Prestige. I have been a "hobbyist" off and on for 5 years. And understand and agree with the comments about high-end clubs. That is whether it is in Monterrey or any other city. The higher the price, the less you are usually able to do because the club doesn't want trouble (why risk a good thing). So I try to stay away from them. But as Wasted said. It was well into the evening with a 7AM flight to Mexico City. And I wanted some fun. I am usually a pretty good pick on who will be fun and whole will not. The first one that sat with me I knew would play by the rules. But because she actually tried to sit and talk, and put effort into her actions, I bought her a drink and 15 minutes. She worked hard for it. Even if it was rather tame.

Cindy was the one I had spotted. And had kept giving me eyes. And when she sat with us. I definitely figured she would be a fun one. USB asked about a 2 hour stint. Really pricey. Almost 6k, and the girl gets like 2500 of it. So I had talked with her about meeting for dinner on the next trip, and she was agreeable for a discounted rate that would be for the WHOLE night. But she wanted more than the 2500. I can't blame her for that. She is able to earn it at the club. So the fact that other girls will do it for less, it is not her real competition. She will make the money no matter what.

Hell. I have paid more than $600 USD in the states for a few hours (albeit, it was practically like having a sex slave). So don't think 300USD for the whole night with a hot GFE is unreasonable. To USB's point, if I had time to scope out and experiment with girls at mid-level clubs, I would do so with energy! But trips to Monterrey will be periodic at best and short.

Like every service provider (plumber, electrician, "nurse", etc), they all provide a service. Those that milk the job and don't provide good service end up earning much less than those that do. At least at my favorite clubs because of things like this forum. The word spreads.

It's been fun. Will let you know when I am back in the area.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

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[Fryer45]

Dang, sorry to hear that Monterrey soap orea might be ending. I enjoyed the friendly banter between you all.

Fryer45

[MonterreyDude]

Fryer, fear not.... we are still posting and answering any information pertaining Monterrey.



Dang, sorry to hear that Monterrey soap orea might be ending. I enjoyed the friendly banter between you all.

Fryer45

[Precocious One]

Since the chica I normally see was not at Pasaralas last night, I headed over to Tangalay and met a 28 year-old total hottie. About 5'2",100 pounds with two kids I could not fathom coming out of that tight unit she calls a body. Anyway, nine privados and a couple drinks later, coupled with some DFK, she gives me her phone number and claims two hour salida for 500 pesos!?? 500 pesos?!!

The women of Monterrey continue to astound me. Beauties everywhere. The mall, restaurants, grocery store, bus stops, etc. I gotta get me some of that "machismo" MJ keeps referring to since I don't think the cookie thing is going to work for me. Does anyone know where they sell "machismo"? Can you buy it in bulk? Does it ever go on sale? I've never seen it offered in the US. Maybe it's just a Mexico thing?

[El Cabron 007]

Here you go Mr. Q. A pound of "machismo" for free. You can buy me a drink next time we get together. I wonder who your Tangalay chica is. I wonder if she is one I know.

The Dictionary of Mexican Cultural Code Words reports "... machismo meant the repudiation of all "feminine" virtues such as unselfishness, kindness, frankness and truthfulness. It meant being willing to lie without compunction, to be suspicious, envious, jealous, malicious, vindictive, brutal and finally, to be willing to fight and kill without hesitation to protect one's manly image. Machismo meant that a man could not let anything detract from his image of himself as a man's man, regardless of the suffering it brought on himself and the women around him. ... The proof of every man's manliness was his ability to completely dominate his wife and children, to have sexual relations with any woman he wanted, to never let anyone question, deprecate or attempt to thwart his manhood, and never to reveal his true feelings to anyone lest they somehow take advantage of him." Now this becomes a multidimensional concept covering multiple personality traits and behaviors. As such, it becomes difficult to classify someone as 'macho' or not without administering a full battery of reliable and valid personality tests. Absent an objective operational definition, the term becomes an irresponsible way of associating negative character traits with an entire continent of Latin American men.

I think you already have plenty of "Machismo" and you can teach us a thing or two. I've seen you operate at el infi.

Read more on "Machismo" @ http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata77.htm

Wasted


Since the chica I normally see was not at Pasaralas last night, I headed over to Tangalay and met a 28 year-old total hottie. About 5'2",100 pounds with two kids I could not fathom coming out of that tight unit she calls a body. Anyway, nine privados and a couple drinks later, coupled with some DFK, she gives me her phone number and claims two hour salida for 500 pesos!?? 500 pesos?!!

The women of Monterrey continue to astound me. Beauties everywhere. The mall, restaurants, grocery store, bus stops, etc. I gotta get me some of that "machismo" MJ keeps referring to since I don't think the cookie thing is going to work for me. Does anyone know where they sell "machismo"? Can you buy it in bulk? Does it ever go on sale? I've never seen it offered in the US. Maybe it's just a Mexico thing?

[Precocious One]

Wasted,

Her name is Sharon. At least that's what the napkin says along with her non-cellular phone number. She apparantly does not work on the weekends. And although I was mighty drunk at the time, I remember that she did quote me quinientos for two hours.

Simply unreal.

[Willa1]

Will be back in Monterrey after over a 15 month absence on the 23rd & 24th. Unfortunately, I will be in town on Monday & Tuesday night. Not the best. But hoping for some stellar advice. Last time Carlos left me in very capable hands at Harem, so planning to start there. But thinking about giving El Infinito a try. Any recommendations for a 'slow' night?

Thanks!

[MonterreyDude]

Hey!
Welcome back!
I might be around to help you out.... I "MIGHT". Not sure yet, being a Monday.
Anyway, your lovelies are still working at the Harem, plus tons of others....

Infinito at night might be a little tough for you. Night shift is populated by toughened pros that are hard to lick.
But anyway... we'll manage!
What am I saying! you always end up with the right girl!




Will be back in Monterrey after over a 15 month absence on the 23rd & 24th. Unfortunately, I will be in town on Monday & Tuesday night. Not the best. But hoping for some stellar advice. Last time Carlos left me in very capable hands at Harem, so planning to start there. But thinking about giving El Infinito a try. Any recommendations for a 'slow' night?

Thanks!

[El Cabron 007]

Precocious , I tried to send you a private msg but your are not set up to receive PM's.

Was the seen at el infi so bad that you had to go to Tangalay? Drinks there are 120 pesos which I find to be very expensive considering it is not a high end club. The girls explained to me once that they like to work there because they prefere not to have sex but rather set with the customers and drink. Is that not the case?

What attracted to you go there? If you find it good enough to hang out, I may have to give it a sincere effort. I visited only once and was not too pleased with the prices or the setup.

Wasted



Wasted,

Her name is Sharon. At least that's what the napkin says along with her non-cellular phone number. She apparantly does not work on the weekends. And although I was mighty drunk at the time, I remember that she did quote me quinientos for two hours.

Simply unreal.

[Member #3453]

WastedG,

The Tangalay offers privados for 100 pesos, two songs. The girls are not generally that good in Tangalay, many skaggs, but sometimes you find a gem once in a while. The problem I find there is that the girls don't seem to consistently work all the time. Everytime I find one I like, by the time I return, usually only a month later, they are nowhere to be found. But, then there are some that are there all the time, and sometimes the regulars in there, usually skaggs, are also relatively aggressive, and Uuuuuuuuugly...Like a Mud Fence. But, I have found a few nice flaca morenas in there once in a while, but usually on weekend nights, Friday and Saturday nights only.

Just as a point of trivia, your "D" girl was working there for a while, and maybe she still does. I have actually seen her working in there a number of times, and she has even vouched for me to a girl that I was going to take on the salida. The girl was initially a little bit unsure of whether to go, and I just talked to her a while, gave her a drink, a cookie or two, exchanged cell numbers, etc...and your "D" girl even gave my new girl a full fledged testimonial that I was a good bet.

When they went on stage, I saw her talking to your "D" girl, obviously discussing me as they gazed occassionally in my direction. When they were done with the presentation, my new girl sought me out and agreed to go with me, and after having talked to your "D" girl she eagerly agreed this time whereas she was initially more tentative.

As Carlos has indicated, and I agree, the cookie thing, until the girls get to know me, has a tendency to throw them completely off at first. The girls just aren't used to nice, kindly, older, but distinguished, intellegent, humorous, HOT, guapo, and debonaire...what else...lets see...ok, gentleman, offering them their "cookies" on the first date. Well, we all offer them our "cookies" on the first date, but I mean Real Gallatas, not what's in your pants.

You see, the girls assume, until they taste the full impart of the chocolate, they assume that I am offering them some kind of shit cookie, just something ordinary. But, if they take ONE bite, they are mine. And, if I make subsequent visits to their bars, they tackle me like I am Famous Amos incarnate.

But, understandably, I think the cookie thing threw her off intially...She was probably wondering if I was a nut case or for real. Your "D" girl put her mind at ease that I was indeed, a NUT CASE....I mean, harmless. We had set up our salida for the following night, and I was supposed to show up at 8pm to take her on salida. But...

My Angel Girl had come over that following night about 6:30pm however, and we were at dinner at Chilis together. We still had quite a bit of time left together before she had to go home...and we hadn't really spent much time alone yet. So, I realized that one bird in the hand is worth two bushes...something like that. Anyway, out of the blue, while in Chilis sitting immediately next to my Angel Girl, I get a call from "New Tangalay Girl" asking where I am, and if I was going to make it. Of course, I was tied up at the time, and just told her I would have to see her later. Of course, my Angel Girl was there, and I told her it was another girl calling me...

See, I am a bad-assed Cabron Bastard in the third utmost degree, as much so as all of you Cabron Bastards, verdad? But, honestly, I would like to know what you Cabrones think of such a display on my part...

Good Strategy, Bad Strategy, Cabron Bastard or Not...Let me know because many of you send the same kinds of messages to your girls, but when I do it, I get ridiculed for not be enough of a Cabron. Should I have dropped her ass right there in Chilis, told Angel Girl to find her way home on the bus herself, either that or have her walk to the Village of Garcia so I could break away right then and meet New Tangalay Girl, a totally uknown potential when I had a known piece of ass to the inth degree already in my clutches.

I don't know, you guys send me such contradictory advice sometimes...Just curious what you think of that little display, and the effect it may have had on my Angel Girl, including the effect that I assume most of you would believe would otherwise be of tremendous use to me in sending the message to my Angel Girl that I am a BIG CABRON BASTARD. But, somehow, I think not...I don't think that being a Cabron works in all circumstances, and especially not so with respect to GFE endeavors.

I did finally show up at Tangalay that night after Angel Girl when back home on the bus. But, by then, it was almost 11pm, and new Tangalay Girl was ending her shift. She was considering whether she would be able to go with me that late, and it turned out that her ride (boyfriend, brother, who-knows) was waiting for her and she couldn't go with me right then. Oh well...maybe next time.

[Precocious One]

Wasted-

Yes. I tried to subscribe here but the website would not accept my cc info (Jackson?) and I've been too lazy to follow up with any due diligence.

USB is correct. 100 pesos for the drinks but the privados on the weekdays are three songs for 100 pesos. I've been there four or five times and it is indeed hit or miss. From my observations, I would venture to say a total of three possible candidates for salidas. As for the privados, I received a HJ from one of the girls but Sharon would not expose herself to that idea. All in all, I am still most comfortable at Pasaralas where the prices are almost identical.

I am anxiously awaiting for your pound of machismo. I am getting so desperate, I almost baked up a batch of brownies the other day!

[El Cabron 007]

Bob,

I remember reading on the WSG board about a guy who went into an AMP and gave the girls cookies. I can not remember where but I just remembered reading it. Was that you?

I will no longer comment or discuss strategies with you. You are banned from my responses because you don't listen. You are grounded. :)

Upon my first visit to MTY, I sent "D" this message" I hope you love me as much as I do because I love you so much, it hurts."

But, no way on earth will I post that on a board for all to see because I know this is so un Machismo. The only reason I am willing to bring it up now is to demonstrate how I was then vs. how I am now.

If I send an SMS now, and I do, it would be to ask the girl(s) to be ready for me when I arrive. They usually question why a day or 2 after my arrival and not immediate. I answer, "I've got other friends to see." Poor Lady J.

"Should I have dropped her ass"? . Well, I kicked "X" once out of my room when she arrived with a piece of bread she was eating for lunch. I told her to leave because Lady J was about to arrive. She left her bread and walked out angry. Should you have dropped her? That is not the question. The question should be ... What did YOU want to do?

I sent "X" upstairs to tell "S" not to bother getting dressed for salida because I am taking "X" out instead. "S" still hangs out with me. Never missed a heartbeat.

I told Karen and Shasha, as they knocked on my door, to take a hike. This after I actually asked them to come in while "S" was hiding naked and begged me not to let them in.

The biggest ever was when I found Nahomi in Obsession while I was setting with lady J. I had her join us and Lady J turned red with anger. When I left them to go to the bathroom, Lady J told Nahomi to take a hike because "He is not your friend. He is my client." All the while Lady J was telling me how much she loved me. I told Lady J to shut up and respect my friend. She behaved but continued to jump at the opportunity to scare Nahomi away.

Should you have dropped her? What did YOU want to do and what did you do?

Do I get GFE? Pretty much with every single one of them.

One last note. You know how much I love to be with “P”. When she showed up once with her sister and another girlfriend, we did not care for their company. We put them in a taxi and sent them home while we went to el infi and picked up 2 lovelies (English) for a hot wild night back at PDA. Do you think "P" heard about it? Does she still love me? Of course she does but she know that she needs to try harder if she wants to continue hang out with us.

Wasted.



WastedG,

Good Strategy, Bad Strategy, Cabron Bastard or Not...Let me know because many of you send the same kinds of messages to your girls, but when I do it, I get ridiculed for not be enough of a Cabron. Should I have dropped her ass right there in Chilis, told Angel Girl to find her way home on the bus herself, either that or have her walk to the Village of Garcia so I could break away right then and meet New Tangalay Girl, a totally uknown potential when I had a known piece of ass to the inth degree already in my clutches.

I don't know, you guys send me such contradictory advice sometimes...Just curious what you think of that little display, and the effect it may have had on my Angel Girl, including the effect that I assume most of you would believe would otherwise be of tremendous use to me in sending the message to my Angel Girl that I am a BIG CABRON BASTARD. But, somehow, I think not...I don't think that being a Cabron works in all circumstances, and especially not so with respect to GFE endeavors.

[Member #3453]

please...i do not frequent amps. no, the dude was not me. i am not bashful with respect to my schtick, so if it were true, wouldn't i reveal same without embarassment? of course i would. but, alas, simply put, it was not i.

with respect to your strategy. i understand that it works for you, and works well.

i think precocious one may have illustrated it best in saying things about his own persona, and what he believes may or may not work for him. i draw the same conclusions for myself as he did for himself, and these same conclusions apply to you as well wastedg.

we are each unique individuals with different personalities, strengths, weaknesses, attitudes, likes, dislikes, preferences, sentimentalities, amounts of disposable income, etc...

i do not believe that my acting the cabron will yield, for me, the gfe i seek. it isn't because i can not be a macho individual. quite to the contrary. i can display those characteristics when life's circumstances require it, and have done so in previous professional circumstances where serious circumstances depended on a very assertive and demanding persona. i can be a bastard if need be.

but, i don't enjoy being a bastard, and i prefer to be a nice guy, especially when i am on va-frickin'-cation in monterrey. i have to be a bastard far too much of the time that i am back at home. so, i need to give it a rest when i am on vacation in monterrey. i want to be raped by a hooker that wants me for the nice guy that i most assuredly am.

but, with respect to finding gfe, and the strategy that works best, my personality and attitudes about what i like in certain girls is very finite. i believe that my monterrey personality attracts the kinds of girls i like. if i were to change, then what kinds of girls would i attract? i already know the kinds of girls that such a cabronish attitude attracts, and they do not ring my chimes. it's not a criticsm of the guys that like to attract whatever types they prefer, but my experience taught me along time ago that by having a certain approach, i attract what i like.

i have always had the best luck with hookers that choose me. because, in that dynamic, the girls are almost universally more passionate, affectionate, charming, etc...so, why change? i don't see any up-side to it for me.

wastedg asks:
"should you have dropped her? what did you want to do and what did you do?"

i did exactly what i wanted to do. my angel girl, i believe, is far and away a better choice than new tangalay girl would have been. i could always be wrong, but with 1,000,000,000,000 sold, i have enough expereince to know the better bet.

and, with respect to your comment..."do i get gfe? pretty much with every single one of them."

"one man's junk is another man's treasure." meaning that we each have a little bit different idea of what gfe is and how it is ultimately defined with respect to our own satisfaction level. that doesn't mean that one man's gfe is wrong or invalid compared to another mans, but that gfe is very subjective.

i have no doubt that you are totally satisfied with your girls, just as i am with mine. but, each monger's mmv (mileage may vary) with each individual girl. what i believe is gfe to the max, you might feel is a total dudd. that's just another reason that i believe "girl recommendations" on these boards is virtually useless, at least for me.



bob,

i remember reading on the wsg board about a guy who went into an amp and gave the girls cookies. i can not remember where but i just remembered reading it. was that you?

i will no longer comment or discuss strategies with you. you are banned from my responses because you don't listen. you are grounded. :)

upon my first visit to mty, i sent "d" this message" i hope you love me as much as i do because i love you so much, it hurts."

but, no way on earth will i post that on a board for all to see because i know this is so un machismo. the only reason i am willing to bring it up now is to demonstrate how i was then vs. how i am now.

if i send an sms now, and i do, it would be to ask the girl(s) to be ready for me when i arrive. they usually question why a day or 2 after my arrival and not immediate. i answer, "i've got other friends to see." poor lady j.

"should i have dropped her ass"? . well, i kicked "x" once out of my room when she arrived with a piece of bread she was eating for lunch. i told her to leave because lady j was about to arrive. she left her bread and walked out angry. should you have dropped her? that is not the question. the question should be ... what did you want to do?

i sent "x" upstairs to tell "s" not to bother getting dressed for salida because i am taking "x" out instead. "s" still hangs out with me. never missed a heartbeat.

i told karen and shasha, as they knocked on my door, to take a hike. this after i actually asked them to come in while "s" was hiding naked and begged me not to let them in.

the biggest ever was when i found nahomi in obsession while i was setting with lady j. i had her join us and lady j turned red with anger. when i left them to go to the bathroom, lady j told nahomi to take a hike because "he is not your friend. he is my client." all the while lady j was telling me how much she loved me. i told lady j to shut up and respect my friend. she behaved but continued to jump at the opportunity to scare nahomi away.

should you have dropped her? what did you want to do and what did you do?

do i get gfe? pretty much with every single one of them.

one last note. you know how much i love to be with “p”. when she showed up once with her sister and another girlfriend, we did not care for their company. we put them in a taxi and sent them home while we went to el infi and picked up 2 lovelies (english) for a hot wild night back at pda. do you think "p" heard about it? does she still love me? of course she does but she know that she needs to try harder if she wants to continue hang out with us.

wasted.

[Member #3453]

PO,

Thanks for correcting the number of songs in exchange for the 100 pesos in the Privados in Tangalay. I usually frequent Monterrey on the weekdays and generally avoid Monterrey on the weekends, which doesn't really work too well when Tangalay's lineup is better on the weekend, right?

Just use the strategy that best works for you. The machismo stuff is hightly overated for us Gringos. Frankly, unless you are a Mexican National, like the Cabron, Sr. Carlos, or somebody like MJ who has an extended exposure to all things Mexican, it may not play to the locals with the same kind of result they enjoy anyway. But, who knows, since you are living among the locals, perhaps you can aspire to be a Cabron Bastard, but it may take time to earn your wings per se.

[Precocious One]

"Don't go changing, to try and please me"

USB, I will never be a "Cabron Bastard" nor do I aspire to be. It is simply not in mi sangre. Never has been and never will be. I am looking for a woman, one woman, who want a straight-up, honest guy and not some silly facade. If that is what a particular woman is looking for, so-called drama and a non-aburrida vida, well, I do not qualify nor will I ever. Shit, I am 40 years old. We're not in fu_ _ ing high school anymore. If one does not know who they are by now, well they have far greater problems in life than determining personality traits while mongering. And yes, I see absolutley no benefit by you changing your shtick. From my perspective, you are doing well enough with the chicas. Needless to say, leave well enough alone as the risk to benefit ratio is slim if not negative.

Like you, I don't go out to the SC's on the weekends. Es demasiado ruidoso. I find Sunday, Tuesday and Wednesday to be the best nights for value. I, along with some of the chicas at Pasaralas, look foward to you coming back into town.

[Admin]

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

[Precocious One]

Beer always seems to taste a little bit better after having sex with a non-pro. Actually, the air seems cleaner too. Flowers seem brighter. Food is more more flavorful.

[El Cabron 007]

Bob,

I think you do not know yet. You have your own thread dude. No one removed your old posts or mine. Look for it.

Anyways, I just called 2 of my girls and setup a hotel meeting with them. I may have jumped the gun. I am now stuck. I will have to figure out how to tell each one to disappear while I go look for the others or before another one shows up at my door. Then if one shows up before the first leaves, I'm gonna have to ask Mr "L" to claim what I have as his. Do you think the girls would play along? What have I done?

How do you tell a girl to please leave because I have another one arriving soon? Last time I did this to "X", she got angry, left her lunch and took a hike. I felt real bad and was very nice to her the next day to make up for my rudeness. What a dilemma. What a welcome dilemma.

I know USB is itching to comment .. and I know exactly what he wants to say :) .. I guess I will read about all it on his new thread.

Wasted


A wise, amicable, concilliatory, and financially intelligent settlement...uhmmmm, very interesting indeed. Perhaps I have misjudged Jackson afterall. I will have to investigate the cost of becoming a lifetime member at this juncture. :-) Is there such as thing as becoming a lifetime member, and cuanto cuesta? It is not posted on the home page is it? Most of these sites have a lifetime member provision. Wouldn't being a lifetime member insulate me from all kinds of shit?

Of course, with the Administration removing all the former offending posts, from both sides, this negates my threat to go "dark" for 30 days. But, don't fret, those of you that are quaking from the possibilities, that you may have to read my drivel infinatum, I promise to be just the same old USB as always, but with perhaps a discerning eye toward being a better, more politically correct, new and improved Spongebob.

Thank you Jackson...

[MonterreyDude]

Ask you questions sir... that's why we are here.
Am not kidding.
Am local, Wasted will be here for the weekend (his umphteen trip) and USB will vist Monterrey at the end of the month
Business as usual.

Tell us where you will be staying (so you can know if you hotel is girl friendly) and what are your preferences.... MPs, SC (although SC are my forté I can help you out with MPs).




Hi. Now that Bob has his own thread, will there be some actual trip reports about finding hot Regias in this thread? I will be going to Monterrey next week and look forward to postig a nice, long report. And yes, all the long posts were actually discourageing me from making a post here.

Ding Dong the witch is dead?

[MonterreyDude]

I have solid info on the changes happening at the Casino and the Harem strip clubs.

Yes, the owners did change the rules, made the girls accept a quota so they could get their daily salary.
Casino is changing into a medium high priced club that will include jacuzzi's for the customers that want to spend over 4000 pesos for an hour with a girl and yes, they are trying to fend off the competition of the Nefertiti (a club I haven't been to yet).
Nefertiti is on the Southern part of the city, close to Colorado's MC (part of the ultra expensive Amnesia family) an area where supposedly there was no business for SC (family areas), but no, there is business for small, not so expensive clubs.
The Nefertiti is running circles around the Colorado and with a vengance.
So to atract business to the West Madero Ave area, the owner of the Prestige is building his little Prestige type club, not as expensive as the Presitge, more on the level of the Poisson MC.
Dunno if the trick will work....

The Harem... well, the Harem girls stampeded en mass when a quota was layed over their heads... but the place just went down... totally.
The difference between the Casino and the Harem is size.
Casino is bigger then the Harem.
The Harem has now where to go but up and there is no "up" to go to.
So the Harem will be the same Harem.
The girls started trickling back when the House decided to losen the noose of the quota (formerly 6 drinks and 12 privados)... I don't know what is the new quota, but it is not as strick as the old one.

I still need to check Casino more....




While Unspongebob and Wasted trade love letters, the Fearless Leader of Monterrey club hopping (that being, me) has done some checking on the Casino-Harem change of rules.

Unfortunately the bad news is here to stay.
Casino has indeed started to ante up prices and change policies, dance policies and girl policies to make the joint classier.

Harem has also stepped up the presure on the girls so the House can get more money.

Acording to this the girls now have a quota of drinks and table dances to get their salary.
They now have to make 12 dances and 6 drinks if they want their daily bread.

All this is due to the fact that:
1. the girls abused a lot, getting into the business and just staying in the dressing room till 1 am.
2. The girls just not doing their job which is getting money into the House's wallet.
3. In all, the House is right up to the point that the girls were just staying in the dressing rooms, chatting, SMSing or just sleeping.
4. The part that will be damaging is that the girls will just be intrested in drinks and privados and to hell with the customers.....

I still need to check the prices part....

[MonterreyDude]

You have more than one girl?
Can I help????

Infinito MC is the best club in town... you'll notice the change in girls when you get in....



Bob,

I think you do not know yet. You have your own thread dude. No one removed your old posts or mine. Look for it.

Anyways, I just called 2 of my girls and setup a hotel meeting with them. I may have jumped the gun. I am now stuck. I will have to figure out how to tell each one to disappear while I go look for the others or before another one shows up at my door. Then if one shows up before the first leaves, I'm gonna have to ask Mr "L" to claim what I have as his. Do you think the girls would play along? What have I done?

How do you tell a girl to please leave because I have another one arriving soon? Last time I did this to "X", she got angry, left her lunch and took a hike. I felt real bad and was very nice to her the next day to make up for my rudeness. What a dilemma. What a welcome dilemma.

I know USB is itching to comment .. and I know exactly what he wants to say :) .. I guess I will read about all it on his new thread.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

Ding Dong the witch is dead?


Don't start celebrating too early...and, whom is abusing whom?

[Precocious One]

Hey Carlos

Yes. As you know I was there on Monday and I did notice the change of girls at Infinito. I actually had a privado with a fresh Guadalajaran girl (the blonde)in the new section they had just opened on the other side of the club. Much cleaner but also much brighter.

Regarding the quotas, please illuminate the unkowledgeable here regarding its actual definition. If the girls fail to meet the quota of 6 drinks and 12 privados, exactly what happens to them? And is this number for a weekend shift? Those numbers seem a bit presumptuous and actually downright unachievable for some, if not most girls.

Heading back out tonight to the Tangalay in search of a certain "Sharon". Wasted, if you are in town and you happen to run into her, save some for me.

[Elmastermind]

I will be visiting Monterrey at the end of the month, and I plan to write a long trip report.

Frankly, I love USBs reports. I wonder why?

I look foward to many more to come. I would advise him to post his philosophical drivel in the "USB Discussion" section however, and the trip reports here, lest his detractors have a frickin' coronary thombosis, verdad?

[MonterreyDude]

We are talking 2 clubs here.
The quota for the Harem is 6 drinks and 12 privados.
The quota for the Infinito is 30 privados and 4 drinks.
If they don't make the quota, the girls are only paid commisions. If they make the quota they get paid 450 pesos plus the commisions.
At the Infinito they get 10 pesos per drink and 25 per privado. If they make the quota they can total around 1200 pesos, plus the extras they get for F/S.

Now am asking the question: what new section at the Infinito?



Hey Carlos

Yes. As you know I was there on Monday and I did notice the change of girls at Infinito. I actually had a privado with a fresh Guadalajaran girl (the blonde)in the new section they had just opened on the other side of the club. Much cleaner but also much brighter.

Regarding the quotas, please illuminate the unkowledgeable here regarding its actual definition. If the girls fail to meet the quota of 6 drinks and 12 privados, exactly what happens to them? And is this number for a weekend shift? Those numbers seem a bit presumptuous and actually downright unachievable for some, if not most girls.

Heading back out tonight to the Tangalay in search of a certain "Sharon". Wasted, if you are in town and you happen to run into her, save some for me.

[Precocious One]

Maybe it is not a new section but it is one that I was never aware of. It is in the back room close to the big sceen tv. Up a flight of stairs to a very well-lit room.

Back to the quotas. Twelve privados? Hopefully, that is for a weekend shift. The girl I favor at Pasaralas claimed she makes around 1500/month, but then again, she is one of the more desirable ones. How much do you think a quality girl makes at the Harem per month?

[Precocious One]

Regarding the Pasaralas girl who claimed to make 1500/month, that number is irrelevant because I failed to ask her exactly how many shifts and how many hours were needed to obtain that number as I, as well as my hands, were somewhat preoccupied. However, I do believe she works three shifts a week.

[El Cabron 007]

PO, stop pressuring me man. You know I have a weakness for the soft kind. ;-)

If I step foot into Tangalay, it will be the end of me. I have a monster who will not leave me a lone and another who starts to shake and heart beats faster when she sees me. Not to mention one waiter who think I am made of money.

However, I do appreciate that you are welling to share. Something I have been trying some certain person, whose name begin with Carlos Perez, to learn. He still hides his girls from me. That selfish son of a fish.

I may take the risk and pay Tangalay a visit. But be warned, I eat fast.





Heading back out tonight to the Tangalay in search of a certain "Sxxxxn". Wasted, if you are in town and you happen to run into her, save some for me.

[MonterreyDude]

Mastermind.
Difference between SEA, TJ, Mexico city and Monterrey is a whole new world.
You'll find sometimes that girls might be to pro-ish, but you'll notice first hand the difference in girl quality.
All clubs, be it expensive to moderate priced ones offer incall services.
But they work in the sense that some offer a nice space, some a tiny booth.
No TJ Adelitas here. Start form that.
Many girls will attack you with their point of view that "everything is for us, not you the customer".
In other words, they will be honest enough to say that they are in for the money.
But with your experience, you will be able to blend into the scenery...

Any more questions sir???





Carlos,

I will be staying at the Best Western on Juarez. I've heard about the PDA, but for business reasons I have to stay at the Best Western. I don't think its too important because I prefer not to have salidas and take care of my business on-site. I suppose that if Iwant to order take out, there are plenty of motels de paso in the area?

as for my preferences, I prefer to go where the action is plentiful and the prices aren;t crazy so I really have no preferences- just, I stay away from street girls.

I have about 25 years experience mongering in SEA and Mexico, in Tijuana, Mexico City and a couple of other places. What differences can I expect when I get to Monterrey?

Looking forward to defrocking some of the beautiful regias next week.

[Member #3453]

if you are referring to another bw, some other one located on juarez, well then, hopefully this will help some other mongers visiting the city. this information, until now, has been part of my private stash, known only to my close amigos.

if you are referring to the bw, juarez and madero, the rate i had been paying there was 490 pesos, which i had negotiated with the owner. her name is pamela, she speaks fluent english. she will give you a better rate on the hotel room than their published rate, and she can be helpful if you have any complaints during your stay because of the language issues. i had been paying 490 pesos, including tax.

but, it has recently gone up considerably. they just became a best western franchise, and the cost of doing so has escalated. bw has demanded they install an elevator there and the cost of same must be astronomical. so, hence the rate hike. they have not installed an elevator yet, by the way. you will have to lug all of your baggage up to your room. depending on the length of my stays, that can sometimes give me a pretty good work out, especially if they put you on the fourth floor :-)

i realize that you are probably on expense account, and the room rate may not matter particularly to your own pocket book, but this may help you at times when you are on your own, or choose to return without any reliance on company expense account. hopefully, it will also benefit others who may choose to visit monterrey, so i am being thorough in my descriptions of what one can expect if one stays at this hotel.

i think the last time i was there, literally last month, the rate had skyrocketed to 570 pesos with tax. but, if you talk to pamela first, tell her i sent you, she will probably extend a decent rate to you. just tell them their regular gringo, the guy with the cookies, sent you, and that should do the trick. the woman working at the front desk on days, geniveve, as well as all the male personnel working the reception desk on the nights shifts, know me well...better than i would prefer. the women don't know anything, at least as far as i can tell...but, people do talk.

here are some tips about that hotel that will make your stay more enjoyable. first, realize that they do not have air conditioning controlled from the rooms. they can turn the air on from the front desk. but, if you don't stay on them, your room will become quite hot during the day. there is no thermostatic control in those rooms, and once they turn off your air, they forget about you possibly being uncomfortable in the rooms. it will be very hot in monterrey this time of year, and your comfort level will be of prime importance to you, especially if you bring a girl back to your hotel.

they have a norte americano style free buffet in the mornings, toast, fruta, coffee...but, lately, this hotel's business has escalated considerably. for that reason, getting your opportunity at the toaster has become quite difficult. leave yourself plenty of time in the mornings before going off to work, or you might not get breakfast. also, they only have one waitress, and she works her arse off when they're busy. so, getting waited on can sometimes be a challenge.

i believe their best rooms are on the second floor, ask them for room 116 or 117, those two rooms, while small, are good accomodations otherwise, 116 being the bigger of the two with the larger queen sized bed.

that particular hotel is girl friendly for salidas. but, they do have a well established "legitimate" clientele, one that requires us to be discrete lest we ruin our "salida" opportunities. the bw that is situated on the next block, east on maderio, is not girl friendly. that bw had some kind of **** scandel that made them put a stop to it. but, prior to that, even they were girl friendly, although perhaps slightly more difficult to utilize because of a prevailing reluctant attitude from the male clerks that i always had to seemingly endure.

my point here is that there are not too many hotels in monterrey that are girl friendly. if you are staying at the bw at the corner of madero and juarez, you are lucky, because it is one of the very few that aren't flea bags, and/or short timer hotels that are girl friendly. if your employer requires you to stay at a bw, and this is not the one you refer to in your question to carlos, i suggest you prevail upon them to change to this one if possible. at least, it is girl friendly for salidas, and the others probably are not.

and, my friend, if you are an experienced visitor to sea, and the other mongering capitals of world, i believe you will find monterrey to be a relatively frustrating experience. not necessarily a bad experience, but one where a wing man might prove invaluable.

i am regularly accused of being too lengthy in my comments in this section, and i am sincerely attempting to remedy that. but, i don't know how to give you this imformation otherwise. i apologize if these comments are too lengthy.

if you want me to tell you why you will experience a "funk" in monterrey compared to other parts of the world, then come over to my section, and i will explain in detail so your stay in monterrey will be more enjoyable for you. the opportunities for considerable fun are there, but don't think for 2 seconds that your same expectations will be equally met in monterrey without significant tutelage, at least from carlos on the ground, or from one of the regular visitors. i have more commentary about the hotel if you're interested...

i am cutting myself off here, but there is sooo much more... :-))))))))))

as they say in thailand, up to you...


carlos,

i will be staying at the best western on juarez. i've heard about the pda, but for business reasons i have to stay at the best western. i don't think its too important because i prefer not to have salidas and take care of my business on-site. i suppose that if iwant to order take out, there are plenty of motels de paso in the area?

as for my preferences, i prefer to go where the action is plentiful and the prices aren;t crazy so i really have no preferences- just, i stay away from street girls.

i have about 25 years experience mongering in sea and mexico, in tijuana, mexico city and a couple of other places. what differences can i expect when i get to monterrey?

looking forward to defrocking some of the beautiful regias next week.

[MonterreyDude]

no usb, he is refering to the best western centro on juarez.
your's is on madero.
bw centro is a much better hotel, higher in quality and standards... and a higher rate and non-girlfriendly as are the rest of the monterrey hotels.

now that you mention the the bw on madero, am sure one of the bw norms to follow will be added security... sorry to tell you but that will mean a better care of who does or does not belong in a room.


and mastermind, please disregard this usb comment: "i believe you will find monterrey to be a relatively frustrating experience."
my friend usb is really picky, to darn high standards... there are tons of girls for you to pick mastermind.
the only thing you have to have in mind is that monterrey is big (3.9 million) and the clubs and mps thrive on local customers, not tourists as in sea.
here the average customer is 30 years old and you have to compete with customers that are 20 somethings with money in their pockets, money they are willing to spend.
that places monterrey a notch into the expensive and that places the clubs as a better option for the girls... they don't have to leave the premises to get money into their purses.
average price for a girl is 90 dlls plus whatever bar fine the house charges for 1-2 hours.
anyway, i am 48 and that hasn't stopped me from having right now at the moment, 4 regular girlfriend (down from 6, with 2 that have gone awol).

being someone that knows the tj scene will help you catch up fast here in monterrey.
the style might be different, but the game is the same.







if you are referring to another bw, some other one located on juarez, well then, hopefully this will help some other mongers visiting the city. this information, until now, has been part of my private stash, known only to my close amigos.

if you are referring to the bw, juarez and madero, the rate i had been paying there was 490 pesos, which i had negotiated with the owner. her name is pamela, she speaks fluent english. she will give you a better rate on the hotel room than their published rate, and she can be helpful if you have any complaints during your stay because of the language issues. i had been paying 490 pesos, including tax.

but, it has recently gone up considerably. they just became a best western franchise, and the cost of doing so has escalated. bw has demanded they install an elevator there and the cost of same must be astronomical. so, hence the rate hike. they have not installed an elevator yet, by the way. you will have to lug all of your baggage up to your room. depending on the length of my stays, that can sometimes give me a pretty good work out, especially if they put you on the fourth floor :-)

i realize that you are probably on expense account, and the room rate may not matter particularly to your own pocket book, but this may help you at times when you are on your own, or choose to return without any reliance on company expense account. hopefully, it will also benefit others who may choose to visit monterrey, so i am being thorough in my descriptions of what one can expect if one stays at this hotel.

i think the last time i was there, literally last month, the rate had skyrocketed to 570 pesos with tax. but, if you talk to pamela first, tell her i sent you, she will probably extend a decent rate to you. just tell them their regular gringo, the guy with the cookies, sent you, and that should do the trick. the woman working at the front desk on days, geniveve, as well as all the male personnel working the reception desk on the nights shifts, know me well...better than i would prefer. the women don't know anything, at least as far as i can tell...but, people do talk.

here are some tips about that hotel that will make your stay more enjoyable. first, realize that they do not have air conditioning controlled from the rooms. they can turn the air on from the front desk. but, if you don't stay on them, your room will become quite hot during the day. there is no thermostatic control in those rooms, and once they turn off your air, they forget about you possibly being uncomfortable in the rooms. it will be very hot in monterrey this time of year, and your comfort level will be of prime importance to you, especially if you bring a girl back to your hotel.

they have a norte americano style free buffet in the mornings, toast, fruta, coffee...but, lately, this hotel's business has escalated considerably. for that reason, getting your opportunity at the toaster has become quite difficult. leave yourself plenty of time in the mornings before going off to work, or you might not get breakfast. also, they only have one waitress, and she works her arse off when they're busy. so, getting waited on can sometimes be a challenge.

i believe their best rooms are on the second floor, ask them for room 116 or 117, those two rooms, while small, are good accomodations otherwise, 116 being the bigger of the two with the larger queen sized bed.

that particular hotel is girl friendly for salidas. but, they do have a well established "legitimate" clientele, one that requires us to be discrete lest we ruin our "salida" opportunities. the bw that is situated on the next block, east on maderio, is not girl friendly. that bw had some kind of **** scandel that made them put a stop to it. but, prior to that, even they were girl friendly, although perhaps slightly more difficult to utilize because of a prevailing reluctant attitude from the male clerks that i always had to seemingly endure.

my point here is that there are not too many hotels in monterrey that are girl friendly. if you are staying at the bw at the corner of madero and juarez, you are lucky, because it is one of the very few that aren't flea bags, and/or short timer hotels that are girl friendly. if your employer requires you to stay at a bw, and this is not the one you refer to in your question to carlos, i suggest you prevail upon them to change to this one if possible. at least, it is girl friendly for salidas, and the others probably are not.

and, my friend, if you are an experienced visitor to sea, and the other mongering capitals of world, i believe you will find monterrey to be a relatively frustrating experience. not necessarily a bad experience, but one where a wing man might prove invaluable.

i am regularly accused of being too lengthy in my comments in this section, and i am sincerely attempting to remedy that. but, i don't know how to give you this imformation otherwise. i apologize if these comments are too lengthy.

if you want me to tell you why you will experience a "funk" in monterrey compared to other parts of the world, then come over to my section, and i will explain in detail so your stay in monterrey will be more enjoyable for you. the opportunities for considerable fun are there, but don't think for 2 seconds that your same expectations will be equally met in monterrey without significant tutelage, at least from carlos on the ground, or from one of the regular visitors. i have more commentary about the hotel if you're interested...

i am cutting myself off here, but there is sooo much more... :-))))))))))

as they say in thailand, up to you...

[Member #3453]

Ok, I stand corrected. I hope it does not go the way of the other hotels because it has one amenity that spoils me totally, something that is totally lacking at PDA. BW is quiet with respect to street noise, as in no windows whatsoever in the rooms. Perhaps that's a fire hazzard, but almost nothing burns in Monterrey anyway. I have never, in five years, seen a fire truck going code 3 in Monterrey.

Regarding added security, there is an old blind guy that sits there at the door at night....hopefully he is their security upgrade :-) I have him in my pocket too :-)

With regard to my negatively perceived comment regarding the frustration level in MTY, perhaps you are correct, perhaps I have high standards...I accept that. But, you know me...do I not return frequently, a glutton for blissful punishment no doubt...a never ending search for perfection? :-)

No, my comments are not meant to be perceived as "critical," but to suggest that one that is used to a SEA type of experience should prepare for a different kind of venue than they might otherwise be used to...Not bad, certainly, but structured totally differently. On the other hand, if comparing it to TJ, he will undoubtly think he has died and gone to heaven, but his wallet will have less of a cushion.


No USB, he IS refering to the Best Western Centro ON Juarez.
Your's is ON Madero.
BW Centro is a much better hotel, higher in quality and standards... and a higher rate and non-girlfriendly as are the rest of the Monterrey hotels.

Now that you mention the the BW on Madero, am sure one of the BW norms to follow will be added security... sorry to tell you but that will mean a better care of who does or does not belong in a room.


And Mastermind, please disregard this USB comment: "I believe you will find Monterrey to be a relatively frustrating experience."
My friend USB is really picky, to darn high standards... there are tons of girls for you to pick Mastermind.
The only thing you have to have in mind is that Monterrey is big (3.9 million) and the clubs and MPs thrive on local customers, not tourists as in SEA.
Here the average customer is 30 years old and you have to compete with customers that are 20 somethings with money in their pockets, money they are willing to spend.
That places Monterrey a notch into the expensive and that places the clubs as a better option for the girls... they don't have to leave the premises to get money into their purses.
Average price for a girl is 90 dlls plus whatever bar fine the House charges for 1-2 hours.
Anyway, I am 48 and that hasn't stopped me from having right now at the moment, 4 regular girlfriend (down from 6, with 2 that have gone AWOL).

Being someone that knows the TJ scene will help you catch up fast here in Monterrey.
The style might be different, but the game is the same.

[Precocious One]

Yes. Tangalay definately had some quality there last night and not just because of one angel called "Sharon". There was about three other girls there that would fulfill even the high stardards of the WastedG. When I have an itch, this is a great place to get it scratched. Although the Jarras are 35, lady coronitas are only 6.50. Again, weekdays are three for 10 on the privados.

Carlos,

There is a bar similar to Anthony's in Ensenada across the street from Pasaralas. Although most are fugly, there was one that was outright gorgeous. Do these girls get tested regularly? Do they need to present their health cards to the bar before entering? It seemed more of a freelance operation than anything else. It will be interesting to see the line-up on the weekends as I believe some of these girls here are simply part-time hoes trying to make ends meet.

[MonterreyDude]

Preco... you got it better than me.

Now you tell me something: It is dance hall, well at least last time I saw it (I never set foot there).. is it a SC now????




Yes. Tangalay definately had some quality there last night and not just because of one angel called "Sharon". There was about three other girls there that would fulfill even the high stardards of the WastedG. When I have an itch, this is a great place to get it scratched. Although the Jarras are 35, lady coronitas are only 6.50. Again, weekdays are three for 10 on the privados.

Carlos,

There is a bar similar to Anthony's in Ensenada across the street from Pasaralas. Although most are fugly, there was one that was outright gorgeous. Do these girls get tested regularly? Do they need to present their health cards to the bar before entering? It seemed more of a freelance operation than anything else. It will be interesting to see the line-up on the weekends as I believe some of these girls here are simply part-time hoes trying to make ends meet.

[Precocious One]

Carlos,

Yes, a dance hall, that's the one. It appears to be a semi-legit place as not all the women there were hoe's. In fact, some appeared well-to-do and they were simply there with their signifigant other dancing and drinking. The one's that sat lined up with their back's to the bar, well, one could pretty much figure them out. There were about 20-25 of them last night. What intrigued me was this one gorgeous girl, a calf among the cows, who was sitting with this incredibly fat ******. He was so fat, I had to make sure that there were not two of him. Anyway, I tried to talk with her when fatman went to the bathroom, however, she would't give me the time of day. Actually, it was nightime around 12:30am. I made my best Arnold Schwarznegger impression and told her that I'd be back as I am a resident of Monterrey and she said that she lived close by and this wasa the bar that she frequents. Anyway, do you think that these girls have to present a health card before entering?

[Member #3453]

I believe some of these girls here are simply part-time hoes trying to make ends meet.

There is a "legitimate" looking busy dance club that is located one block East of Azul Tequilla. Is that what you refer to PO? I notice it is mostly busy on Weekends, but there may be a day of the week that it is also relatively busy, maybe like Wednesday night it seems. Many times I have noticed a lot of people standing around outside the club, but I never went in to check it out.

[Strike 69]

Greetings everybody,

I will be in MTY in a couple of weeks probably, and I haven't gone to the clubs (despite I had already posted a couple of questions on MTY board before regarding scorts services).

So I will like to ask to Carlos (the expert of the board obviously) :

If I arrive to MTY and I need desesperatly to have full service with a pretty girl in a club which one are my options? Can I go alone to the clubs? Is easy to catch a cab outside the club? How much budget should I take with me? How should I dress? Can I go with Jeans to some clubs? Or should I go formal?

I adore voluptuous (with huge melons and big asses) kinda porn star looking, no matter their appearance but this time I would like to try a natural blonde (white skinnned, blond hair you know) with really big tits (tetas como melones)... and a brunette with big beautiful ass and muscled legss (piernuda, caderona y nalgona in spanish) in which club can I find a girl like that?

Regarding my specs I have no problems with Spanish as I speak it very fluently (I will explain to you later)

Thank you very much in advance.

[Andreo]

This is my second trip to Monterrey and the first I have a little bit of time for myself!

I am staying at the airport hotels and would like to head downtown this afternoon / evening.

I see some mentions of Poisson and Pasarelas. These seem to be the kind of places I am interested in. Dances and some extras.

Can you give me some help with prices and what I should be careful of?

I would just like a good evening and hopefully "get my rocks off".

Thanks all!

[Zoom 21]

Greetings everybody,

I will be in MTY in a couple of weeks probably, and I haven't gone to the clubs (despite I had already posted a couple of questions on MTY board before regarding scorts services).

So I will like to ask to Carlos (the expert of the board obviously) :

If I arrive to MTY and I need desesperatly to have full service with a pretty girl in a club which one are my options? Can I go alone to the clubs? Is easy to catch a cab outside the club? How much budget should I take with me? How should I dress? Can I go with Jeans to some clubs? Or should I go formal?

I adore voluptuous (with huge melons and big asses) kinda porn star looking, no matter their appearance but this time I would like to try a natural blonde (white skinnned, blond hair you know) with really big tits (tetas como melones)... and a brunette with big beautiful ass and muscled legss (piernuda, caderona y nalgona in spanish) in which club can I find a girl like that?

Regarding my specs I have no problems with Spanish as I speak it very fluently (I will explain to you later)

Thank you very much in advance.I don't know if is permissible to give you a website but you can try zonadivas.com they have some good looking girls and the price is $$.5

[MonterreyDude]

Strike, Andreo,
Sorry for the delay, but I was at Playa del Carmen on vacations for mostly a week.

Strike, of course you can go alone to the clubs.
At the expensive clubs like Obsession, Amnesia, Prestige, you can have full service, but you can start thinking like way into 300 dlls for that.
Maybe even more....

Poisson on Zaragoza St. is moderately expensive.
Full service starts here at 1200 pesos.
Next to that come the Madero Ave clubs, like Harem, Pasarelas, Excalibur an Azul.
Last 2 I do not recomend.
Full service on Harem and Pasarelas start at 550 pesos for 15 minutes for a quckie, 1200 pesos for a good 30 minutes in a private room.

Taxis are abailable.
But be forwarned that the taxi taking you from the hotel to the club will try to take you to one where he gets a kickback.

And dress as you like...

Ask your questions sir....










Greetings everybody,

I will be in MTY in a couple of weeks probably, and I haven't gone to the clubs (despite I had already posted a couple of questions on MTY board before regarding scorts services).

So I will like to ask to Carlos (the expert of the board obviously) :

If I arrive to MTY and I need desesperatly to have full service with a pretty girl in a club which one are my options? Can I go alone to the clubs? Is easy to catch a cab outside the club? How much budget should I take with me? How should I dress? Can I go with Jeans to some clubs? Or should I go formal?

I adore voluptuous (with huge melons and big asses) kinda porn star looking, no matter their appearance but this time I would like to try a natural blonde (white skinnned, blond hair you know) with really big tits (tetas como melones)... and a brunette with big beautiful ass and muscled legss (piernuda, caderona y nalgona in spanish) in which club can I find a girl like that?

Regarding my specs I have no problems with Spanish as I speak it very fluently (I will explain to you later)

Thank you very much in advance.

[MonterreyDude]

Sorry am late.
Hope you managed something yesterday.
Still need some help????





This is my second trip to Monterrey and the first I have a little bit of time for myself!

I am staying at the airport hotels and would like to head downtown this afternoon / evening.

I see some mentions of Poisson and Pasarelas. These seem to be the kind of places I am interested in. Dances and some extras.

Can you give me some help with prices and what I should be careful of?

I would just like a good evening and hopefully "get my rocks off".

Thanks all!

[MonterreyDude]

Bdasmx, Zonadivas has only one girl for the Monterrey area.
No rates and no direct way to contact the girl....



I don't know if is permissible to give you a website but you can try zonadivas.com they have some good looking girls and the price is $$.5

[Zoom 21]

Bdasmx, Zonadivas has only one girl for the Monterrey area.
No rates and no direct way to contact the girl....The girls come and go in a weekly base, if there is no girls avaliable try to go to a place in Tapia, the girls are really beautiful and if you said that this is your first time there the cost is @ $.7. This is for a full hour and between 3:00 and 6:00 pm they got the better girls, check directions in misses.com.mx

[MonterreyDude]

Misses goes way into the 2000 peso zone, not 700 as you quote.
Average price there is 1500 pesos.



The girls come and go in a weekly base, if there is no girls avaliable try to go to a place in Tapia, the girls are really beautiful and if you said that this is your first time there the cost is @ $.7. This is for a full hour and between 3:00 and 6:00 pm they got the better girls, check directions in misses.com.mx

[Zoom 21]

Misses goes way into the 2000 peso zone, not 700 as you quote.

Average price there is 1500 pesos.Check the abbreviations, this are @ 170 usd.

[MonterreyDude]

Yes, your post stands corrected.
More or less 1800 pesos is the regular price at Misses, though the hot girls stand at 2000 pesos and over.

Though I agree that Misses has great looking girls, mongers coming from the US prefer MPs like Signore at:

www.signore.com.mx

But that goes price wise (average at Signore is 300 pesos) and no denying that Signore has kept a stisfactory level of quality for years now.
And it's a fact Americans coming down here are not looking to pay 2000 pesos, they would stick to the US escort services for that kind of prices.




Check the abbreviations, this are @ 170 usd.

[Member #3453]

Huhhhh??? 2000 pesos would get me at least 3-4 sessions with several hot strippers in MTY. However, if she were really, really, HOT, then I might consider paying 800-1000 pesos each, AND NO MORE.

Of course, at 800-1000 pesos, that would mean also having her on my own turf, and for twice the amount of time. If we permit recommendations to proliferate here with respect to overpaying, it will only mean a price increase for all of us. That, I will not tolerate. Everybody has to make a living, but I just can't sit idoly by and let this go...no matter how hard I try.

But, Misses is a nice facility if you need a discrete location, don't want a hotel environment, and are prepared to pay a comparatively high price for a good looking chica. Up to you...

I feel I've done my civic duty for the week. :-)


Yes, your post stands corrected.
More or less 1800 pesos is the regular price at Misses, though the hot girls stand at 2000 pesos and over.

Though I agree that Misses has great looking girls, mongers coming from the US prefer MPs like Signore at:

www.signore.com.mx

But that goes price wise (average at Signore is 300 pesos) and no denying that Signore has kept a stisfactory level of quality for years now.
And it's a fact Americans coming down here are not looking to pay 2000 pesos, they would stick to the US escort services for that kind of prices.

[Precocious One]

2000 pesos?

Oy vey. Do I get to bring my dog?

USB, are you still coming into town this week? If so, let's meet up at Pasaralas.

[Member #3453]

MJ,

Man, you've got that travel cost thing right...that's for sure :-) I don't have a leg to stand on if you factor that one into the mix.

And, you're right about getting from point A (2000 pesos) to point B (1000 pesos) in the clubs. I have to admit that.

And preferences are indeed subjective...so, I have to agree there too.

It's just that I am highly suspect of recommendations when I hear suggestions that a newbie visitor attend clubs like Poisson in lieu of all the other options in Monterrey that are considerably less expensive and offer just as good if not better quality of experience.

It just reminds me too much of the taxi drivers line to the unsuspecting Gringos that blow into town, newbies to the slaughter, suggestions made with one purpose in mind...commissions and personal profitability at the expense of the visiting monger.

You would understand what I mean if you could see the price structure with respect to Poisson. So, my former comments were probably a little harsh, but made with purest of intentions, and with the newbie visitor's best interests at heart.

Remember, I too once spent 5000 pesos at Poission...Knowing what I know now, I could never in good conscience recommend such things without first issuing a very detailed disclosure to the poor unsuspecting newbie visitor.

And with respect to Misses, I am a little less passionate there, simply because as you mentioned, preferences are subjective, and I have personally toured their facility. It was nice...

But, all in all, my heart bleeds for guys that are seemingly being lead to the slaughter by recommendations that are seemingly motivated with an eye possibly toward personal profitability rather than a sense of obligation to benevolent guidance of the poor mongering hords.

If I am wrong, I sincerly, and humbly, apologize for the making such innuendo without any direct evidence. I don't mean any malice by it, but have only the purest of motives, seeking only to guide visitors to Monterrey to the best of my ability, and help them avoid being potentially ripped-off in comparison to other choices they could just as easily be making.



This brings up an interesting debate that I've been having with my mongering buddies: Strip Club with "benefits" vs straight-up casa de citas.

Whether it be in Monterrey or Morelia, while you may be getting FS with the chica for 1000 pesos, you also have to factor in drinks, privadas, your consumption, transportation costs, etc. However, in the casas de citas, you basically just pay for your time with the chica and other consumption, while encouraged, is not a must.

IMHO, its just about the same when it comes to the price you pay. It's just about personal preferences. Do you like the loud music and social atmosphere of the strip clubs or do you just want to get in and get out in a more relaxed atmosphere? I like 'em both...because when it comes to horny Mexicanas, It's all good....

Mill

[MonterreyDude]

I don't like MPs at all.
I know them all, but I don't use them. I don't like the girls, I don't like the style, I don't like the dynimics of the business.
I like a girl that will sit with me and chat, have a drink and let me judge what I can further do with her.
Only with club girls can you take a relation to a next level, even if it is a paying level.
With an MP girl you'll always have the same cold, distant treatment, no matter if the service is worth 200 pesos or 2000 pesos.

In MJ's case, he knows the MP business better than me and granting his experince with the MP girls I can say that he's one of the few that truely knows how to squeeze his money's worth out of them.




MJ,

Man, you've got that travel cost thing right...that's for sure :-) I don't have a leg to stand on if you factor that one into the mix.

And, you're right about getting from point A (2000 pesos) to point B (1000 pesos) in the clubs. I have to admit that.

And preferences are indeed subjective...so, I have to agree there too.

It's just that I am highly suspect of recommendations when I hear suggestions that a newbie visitor attend clubs like Poisson in lieu of all the other options in Monterrey that are considerably less expensive and offer just as good if not better quality of experience.

It just reminds me too much of the taxi drivers line to the unsuspecting Gringos that blow into town, newbies to the slaughter, suggestions made with one purpose in mind...commissions and personal profitability at the expense of the visiting monger.

You would understand what I mean if you could see the price structure with respect to Poisson. So, my former comments were probably a little harsh, but made with purest of intentions, and with the newbie visitor's best interests at heart.

Remember, I too once spent 5000 pesos at Poission...Knowing what I know now, I could never in good conscience recommend such things without first issuing a very detailed disclosure to the poor unsuspecting newbie visitor.

And with respect to Misses, I am a little less passionate there, simply because as you mentioned, preferences are subjective, and I have personally toured their facility. It was nice...

But, all in all, my heart bleeds for guys that are seemingly being lead to the slaughter by recommendations that are seemingly motivated with an eye possibly toward personal profitability rather than a sense of obligation to benevolent guidance of the poor mongering hords.

If I am wrong, I sincerly, and humbly, apologize for the making such innuendo without any direct evidence. I don't mean any malice by it, but have only the purest of motives, seeking only to guide visitors to Monterrey to the best of my ability, and help them avoid being potentially ripped-off in comparison to other choices they could just as easily be making.

[Member #3453]

Agreed, the MPs have never really appealed to me for the same reasons. And, it isn't because I haven't tried giving them every opportunity. I have tried all of the high end places in Monterrey, all with the exception of Misses, where I merely toured their facility. But, even when I toured their facility, there was in fact, only one girl available at that time. She was pretty decent looking, but nothing special in comparison to what is routinely available in the clubs.

I toured the Misses facility with a friend. The friend was interested in partaking in their services and began inquiring as to the cost, etc...We both got the distinct impression that he was going to end up paying through the nose for extras that would normally be part of the package were he to go to even one of the medium or lower end massage parlors, and especially so were he to pay for a salida from the clubs, which would have cost him only 1350 pesos for 1.5 hours. He was going to go with the girl at Misses, but he abruptly decided against it because of the way things were presented to him in comparison to what he already knew was otherwise available in other venues in Monterrey.

And, of course, if he wanted to merely find a girl for salida from the clubs, and dispense with the interview process that we normally go through in the clubs, it not being really an important element to his style, it is very simple to take a girl out of the clubs on salida without spending anything on drinks or anything else.

Truth is, if one is only interested in taking a girl out of the clubs without the interviewing process that MJ refers to, which is akin to making a selection in a massage parlor setting, mostly based soley on appearance, then there is very little difference in the risk factor of taking a girl from the clubs with NO investment versus partaking in massage parlor selection. There are so many girls in the clubs that will go with a guy just for the prospect of making the money on salida. They jump at the chance, and it would not require you to spend a dime on them in the privados or buying drinks. I don't like that method of selection, but it is quite easily doable.

If I were a monger in that category, in leiu of spending the money on a high end massage parlor, I would maybe buy the girl a 50 pesos drink, sit with her for 20 minutes, chat her up a little, and off we go. It is very easily done with no investment per se, or with a minimal investment of only 50 to 100 pesos, maybe a drink, and possibly a privado for insurance. Even I have, on occassion, taken a new girl into the privados in the clubs, 50 pesos, stayed no more than two dances, just to "pop the question," and away we go...maybe five to eight minutes in the privados or over a drink.

Here's how is goes...

USB: "Hace salidas, mi angel???" (Do you go out?)
Girl: "Si" (yes)
USB: "Cuanto Cuesta" (How Much?)
Girl: "1000 pesos para mi, y 350 (700) pesos para el bar."
($100US for me, and $35 for the bar)
USB: "Cuanto Horas?" (How much time?)
Girl: "1.5 Horas" (1-1/2 hours)
USB: "NO TANGO DINERO MI AMOR!!!-Que Tal 600 pesos??? :-))))."
(I don't have money my love...How about $60US?)
Girl: "800 pesos para mi, pero necisita pagar 350 pesos a el bar???"
($80US for me, but you have to pay the bar $35US)
USB: "Estoy muy pobre Gringo, mi amor-700 pesos esta bien???"
(I am a very poor Gringo my love...is $70US ok?)
Girl: long hesitation....then "ok...(eyes rolling...etc...)"
USB: "Se Dice Cuatro Horas mi corazon???" :D
(Did you say 4 hours my heart???)
Girl: "Dos Horas USB <:-/"
(2 hours...with a slight,but playful smirk)
USB: "No Entiendo mucho 'spanol mi amor- Se Dice Cinco Horas???" :D :D
(I don't understand much Spanish my love-Did you say 5 hours???)
Girl: "No puedo, mi cabron :-(((("
(I can't my SOB)
USB: "OK, 2.5 Horas...Si, mi angel???"
(Ok, 2.5 hours...ok, my angel?)
Girl: "si..."
(Yes)
USB "esta bien...vamos??"
(that's fine, lets go)

It's that easy...it takes only four minutes, and we are out of there.

But, of course, they usualy only stay for 1.5-2 hours after sometimes promising the moon. It all just depends on the bar they work at, and whether management requires them back ON TIME. But, many of the girls will stay much, much longer with the MJ investment plan discussed earlier. And, with the investment plan, the cost is usually reduced on repeats, unless you are a bar girl enrolled in the "USB Benevolency Fund," a foundation established to "help" my most beloved providers out of friendship and adoration, in which case I usually give them at least 1000 pesos, cookies, skittles, chocolate, beer, vino, hand-made beautiful bracelets, ice cream sandwiches, dinner at Chilis, Movies, Shopping, and various other sundry enticements...anything else I can think of ;-).

And, even at that, making a minimal interviewing investment, you would come away from the deal having spent less, or maybe about equal if you take them out of the medium priced bars, probably for a superior experience, if not superior because of cost savings alone, then certainly with respect to the amount of time allotted on salida versus within the massage parlor setting.

I don't like connecting with girls without first having a "relationship" established, and making at least a cursory examination of their personality traits. But, I can totally understand guys that are making selections from the medium to lower end MPs because they can have a session for 200-400 pesos and leave relatively satsified. It's when the massage experience begins to cost the same as a club girl that I sense potentially diminished returns.

I know many guys like the services of the MPs, but I can only see it if the cost factor is the motivator, or if in the off chance that you find an absolute hotty that is a diamond in the rough, an extremely rare occurence in the medium and lower end MPs. If the cost of visiting a high end massage parlor setting is akin to the cost of making a selection from the clubs, as is the case in the Casa setting or from the high end massage parlors, then I see very little advantage to the high end MPs over club girls.

I have especially "wished" I could get into the medium to lower end massage parlors myself...mainly because, if I were sufficiently satisfied, I could significantly reduce my costs. I mean, MJ is right...I spend money on the interview process, which escalates the cost in the long run.

But, then again, I spend $800-900US just to get to Monterrey, $550 to American Airlines, and probably $300-$400 on the hotel, so I see the overall quality of the experience as a sizeable "investment." But, still, even in the long run, my overall costs in comparison to "my world" here in the US are still cheap, and with a quality of experience that surpasses anything I might find available here in my part of the US, service that is typcially priced at $300 or more for a one hour session with a girl of equal quality.



I don't like MPs at all.
I know them all, but I don't use them. I don't like the girls, I don't like the style, I don't like the dynimics of the business.
I like a girl that will sit with me and chat, have a drink and let me judge what I can further do with her.
Only with club girls can you take a relation to a next level, even if it is a paying level.
With an MP girl you'll always have the same cold, distant treatment, no matter if the service is worth 200 pesos or 2000 pesos.

In MJ's case, he knows the MP business better than me and granting his experince with the MP girls I can say that he's one of the few that truely knows how to squeeze his money's worth out of them.

[Member #3453]

I have said many times that Monterrey is NOT a mongering destination. Nobody on this board has ever represented Monterrey to be a stellar mongering destination. It is simply a legitimate city with relatively good mongering opportunities. But, it can be as good as anywhere else. It depends on your experience level, your pocket book, and your willingness to do the work.

Representations about Monterrey from the regular visitors that post here all the time, and their expressed enjoyment of the Monterrey venue, have much more to do with the comradre between we regular mongers on the ground, and playing that off against the backdrop of a strip club oriented environment, than with Monterrey being a particularly stellar mongering destination per se.

AS A NEWBIE TO MONTERRY, YOUR ENJOYMENT of MONTERREY MAY, and PROBABLY WILL, DIRECTLY CORRELATE WITH FOSTERING AND MAINTAINING MONGERING RELATIONSHIPS WITH GUYS THAT REGULARLY VISIT MONTERREY. It is the comradre between those of us that regularly post here that makes you believe we are touting Monterrey as a Worldclass venue when we are simply reporting our enjoyment of the venue within our frame of reference.

Those of us that return regularly to Monterrey continue to do so because we enjoy the comradre, and through our helping each other, have attained the ability to thoroughly enjoy the venue, but not because it is an exceptional mongering venue on the surface. Mongers that choose instead to be loners, unless they possess significant prior experience in Monterrey, will experience just exactly what you reported. Don't misunderstand, I do NOT say that to criticize guys that like to go it alone. I say it to simply illustrate why those of us that seemingly love the Monterrey venue, love it so much. We aren't reporting that the venue is that great in Worldclass terms, but we are reporting that our enjoyment of the venue is Worldclass.

Much of our enjoyment is a result of our networking publicly in the clubs, a result of our own developed level of notoriety as a group of regulars, one that serves us well to establish a wide selection of willing girls. Our group escapades serves us well in establishing an aire of acceptability and trust among the selection of girls that exists in the clubs. That is key in the procurement of HOT assed girls. It serves to cut our own level of effort significantly if the girls recognize us as harmless, and safe, regulars that they can capitalize on. It also serves to encourage them to deliver exceptional sessions because they know we will return relatively regularly to consider them for future business.

THE KEY TO THIS WHOLE THING IS NETWORKING ON THE GROUND. It is necessary in Monterrey for exceptional experiences, and it is absolutely necessary compared to what is otherwise required in the more notorious venues of the World. That, or you must LIVE in Monterrey. No amount of advice here in the forum will adequately prepare you to experience the full measure of what Monterrey can be.

I don't know what your strip club experience is, but Monterrey has some of the very best strip clubs in the World, bar none. However, be prepared to pay the freight. You really didn't frequent the high-end strip clubs according to your report, and that is where their quality of selection is most impressive, as is their escalated cost. However, El Infinito, on a good night, has quality every bit as good as the best strip club you have ever attended. I don't recommend the high end strip clubs because of cost and the scamming that goes on to a much greater degree than you experienced in El Infinito. But, bar none, the high end strip clubs of Monterrey are world class. With respect to El Infinito...you simply missed out on the true quality of their selection...that is a shame. But, if you believed your were scammed at El Infinito, you have not experienced a truly Worldclass strip club. That's why we like to refer guys to El Infinito. Because they are fleeced signficantly less.

And, frankly, my recommendations about how to avoid some of what you described as a fleecing, is described in detail within the Monterrey section, many numerous times. If you had asked, I would have reiterated it to you with pleasure.

I have also said many times that if you are new to the Monterrey venue, and you have experience in other Worldwide venues, you will very likely be relatively unimpressed or possibly disappointed. I believe those were my exact words to you.

It's not because Monterrey lacks anything compared to other Worldwide venues, but it is because the experience requires significantly more work than most mongers are used to. It is my number one complaint about Monterrey, but I also realize that I have had some of the best experiences of my life in Monterrey, and that is comparing it to the more notorious venues of the World, such as the PI, Pattaya, Bangkok, Jakarta, Batam, Singapore, Colmbia, etc...It is more a matter of lacking the experience on the ground that interfers with your ability to enjoy yourself to the fullest with the same ease as one finds in Asia for example. You simply have to generally pay more, and work much harder, to achieve the same kinds of results.

The fact that you admitted to having allowed yourself to be nickeled and dimed in the privados is surprising if you also have experience in venues such as Mexico City. I would expect that scenario to be prevelent in all Mexican venues, certainly in Monterrey where the population is over 4 million people, certainly in the border towns, TJ, and Mexico City. Monterrey is no different than other Mexican venues if you limit yourself to in-club activities and are unable to cultivate relationships with your favorite girls so you can take them out of that club environment for unbridled fun.

Except for your assessment of the quality of selection available in the massage parlors, your experience is almost verbatum what I would expect a newbie visitor would experience from a week in Monterrey without significant experience thinking outside the proverbial mongerer's box, and investing significantly more time, energy, and money.

I will reiterate for those that are contemplating a trip to Monterrey. My own personal experience visiting Monterrey each and every month for five years proves to me, unequivically, without any doubt whatsoever, that the selection of girls in the massage parlors is absolutely, positively, nowhere near what you will find in the strip clubs. If you found some decent girls in the massage parlors, ones that you could honestly stack up against the strip club girls, it was indeed a once in a "blue moon" situation. Consider yourself totally blessed to find them. You should have been playing the lottery those nights.

Where you made your mistake, and what cost you with respect to your own lack of enjoyment, IMHO, has more to do with you limiting yourself to only partaking in activities within the clubs. If in-club activities are your only opportunity for enjoyment, I can fully understand your being disappointed compared to venues where you are more familiar, or compared to notorious venues like Thailand and the PI where I could monger deaf, dumb, and blindfolded.

You were obviously impressed with the massage parlors, and because of your assessments of the MPs, perhaps I need to give that an umteenth look. But, I also know from five years of experience on the ground in Monterrey that timing is everything, especially with respect to the selection found in the massage parlors. Consider yourself lucky with respect to finding a good selection at the massage parlors. Because, just as you found some good chicas in the massage parlors during your week in town, if you visit those same massage parlors next week, you would very likely find only ugly gordas and be totally disappointed.

I know WastedG and Mr. L visited Monterrey the week before you arrived, and they reported via email to me that the strip clubs, and El Infinito specifically, seemed possibly a little off with respect to selection. Many of the regular lookers that are usually in attendance in El Infinito, they reported, were nowhere to be found. So, perhaps you just hit a bad week...I have found that same result myself on a number of occassions.

The difference between us is that I have other options, and I know of other places to look. But, the bottom line is, if the selection is poor in one club, you have to be willing to canvas them all to find out where the action really is that night. Many guys, especially our ages, simply do not have the energy for that kind of search, myself included. But, make NO mistake, the selection is usually there unless there are sports games on TV or some other issues effecting attendence in the clubs.

We have regularly reported that the best nights of the week in Monterrey with respect to selection are Wednesday through Saturday. In all fairness to your assessment, you were only in town two of the best nights of the week for selection. Those of us that have extensive time on the ground in Monterrey have our other options already scoped-out and lined-up for our visits. Most of us do not partake in activities in the clubs too much, with the exception of Carlos, mainly because he is a local, and his personal circumstances limit other salida oriented activities, and not necessarily because he prefers to avoid salidas.




Ok, just got back from my 6 day trip to Monterrey. Overall, I was happy with my experiences there but I was disapointed with a few things.

[MonterreyDude]

Am going to place my neck in a noose with this post:
I don't know who moderates this thread but stating the following, considering Masterminds report as material for "Reports of Distinction thread." is a total misrepresentation of what can be found or not found in Monterrey.

Just as USB says, Monterrey is not a mongering city, it is a city with an incredible amount of clubs that are populated by locals and you need to know the way around them to get the best of them.

Mastermind went to the battlefield without a rifle.... we did tell him that Monterrey is not TJ nor SEA.






Ok, just got back from my 6 day trip to Monterrey. Overall, I was happy with my experiences there but I was disapointed with a few things.

First night: I got into Monterrey late because of flight details. I was so tired after hotel check-in, but I decided to try and salvage at least one pop for my first night. I went per recommendations on the board to El Infinito. I was a tad disaponited with the selection of chicas. Many were nice, a few were hot and many were fat and/or ugly. The bad things was that the hot ones and the decent ones had swarms of men around them and it was nearly impossible to get their attention. Many fugly ones gave me the eye, but none were even worth considering. So I spent my first night in Monterrey at a dive club trying to get some decent girl to give me some attention. One of the bartender guys brought me over a decent girl but she was distracted and only willing to sit with me for a few minutes before guzzling her drink and leaving like the wind after I hesitated in buying her another. I went back to the hotel to sleep my horniness away. Summary of my first night: Frustrating and about 300 pesos spent to be frustrated.

Second day: After doing some work stuff I went on the prowl in the early afternoon. I decided to try my luck at the massage parlors. I went to Signore on Villagomez. Inside I saw 4 girls total, 2 worth doing. I picked a short brunette names Alexa. Service was very good overall. 300 pesos for FS and 100 pesos more for BBBJCIM. Well, it was more like BBBJC on the side of mouth as she pulled away at the last minute. Still very good.

In the night I went back to Infinito to give it another try. Maybe I was just jetlagged from the night before and feeling frustrated. I had a slightly better experience, but still wasn't overly impressed with the quality of chicas. I had FS with a lovely flaquita in the privadas. 400 pesos plus 50 pesos per song . I was upset that my girl spent the first song talking to me and half of the second dancing out of hands reach. When we started the FS we were already well into the second song. Total cost of the FS in the very uncomfortable privada area: 400+ 5 songs= 650 pesos. Add in two drinks for my chica and my beer and I spent almost 900 pesos (plus the tips I was asked for from almost everybody). Still I got laid and left happy.

Afterwards, I left for the other clubs in the area. I went to Matehuela and El Cielo. I ws intrigued by Cielo as something that might be good, but I didn't have any chicas in either place. I just had a beer and went back to my hotel. Truth is I didn't find anything to my liking.

Third day: I decided to search out more massage parlors after having the good experience at Signore. I went to Faraonas (sp?) . Very impressed with one of the girls there. She was almost dangerously young but I was assured she was of age. Her name was Ana and a very cute morena with some strecth marks on her belly, but all in all very attractive. Got FS for 200. I tried to get other acts from her but she was only into basic service. Good, though.

At night I did a grand tour of the other strip clubs in Monterrey. I went to Pasarelas, Poisson, Harem and another nearby Harem that I can;t recall. I spent a short while in each and they were nice and the chicas were better than at Infinito and Cielo, but the prices were obscene and I just felt I was getting hustled. I left for the night at about 3am without getting any service from a chica.

Fourth Day: Had to work all day and didn't have time to explore.

Fifth Day. I went around back to the massage parlors Faraonas and Signore and got a FS from each over the course of 4 hours. Set me back a total of 500 pesos when the other night I had spent about 1000 pesos just going from club to club and not getting laid once.

Sixth and last full Day: With the savings from not getting fleeced again at the strip clubs, I decided to splurge and go to Misses. I was floored with just how cute all the girls were. And then I was floored by the cost. Doing the math in my head, 250 for the massage and 2000 for the girl, I would be out 2,250 for FS. I said what the heck and took my savings from not going to the strip clubs and chose a hot guera named Alejandra. Her service was great and just having that hard, young body next to me made me almost go crazy.

After a nice meal, I went back to Signore to see what was available. It was late so the selections wasn't great, but I chose a short and chubby girl with a cute face. 300 pesos for the half hour and 100 extra for a tittie fuck to orgasm.

Very late, near closing time I went back to Infinito to try for one last pop before going back to the states. I found a flaquita with a gorgeous body, but a Mr. Ed Face. After one chica drink we agreed to go back to the privadas for a BJ. She insisted on condom but we came to an arrangement. I offered her an extra 200 pesos to let me shoot near her without a condom. I have to admit I cheated a little and overshot my mark, squirting her on the cheek and earlobe. Ooops hehe. Not bad for an old man. All in all it cost me 550 with songs included.

My last day was by far my best.

Summary:

Monterrey is a pretty decent city for mongering but hardly the paradise the so many reports here would suggest. The strip clubs were just ok, about what you would expect from any strip club in a mexican city.

I think the strip club scene in Monterrey is very deceptive because on the surface the prices seem a lot cheaper, but man oh man do they try to nickel and dime you to death! At the end of the night you spend more money this way than if you went to clip joint in Mexico City. The whole sex in the privados thing is a real scam in that the meter is running all the while your girl tries to drag out the FS or BJ. At the end of the screw you end up paying more than you would pay at most other strip clubs in Mexico for comparable service. However if money is no object and you want to listen to music and watch girls,by all means go to the strip clubs. As for me, I can take them or leave them.

The real thing for Monterrey to brag about is the massage parlor scene. Good prices and good service are very available at the MPs, but you will have to wade through some ugly porkies before finding your princess. I had gone to quite a few other MPs that weren't even good enough to make me recall their names, but Signore and Faraonas provided pretty chicas who gave good service at a very good price. I know massage girls come and go, but I can't see the quality falling that badly to the point of not being worth a visit. Misses was very expensive but the girls were HOT.

I think that its a bit of a disservice to the readers here to steer everybody away from the MPs and into the strip clubs because what really makes the city a worthwhile mongering destinations is the availability of good sex at a low price at the Mps. The strip clubs are decent, but not great- I have seen better clubs at more reasonable prices in other Mexican venues. Maybe Im bitter about being nickel and dimed to death by the girls or maybe I'm still reeling from the 3000 peso for the girl and 1000 pesos for the house salida I was "offered" at Poisson. Whatever the case, to not go to the MPs in Monterrey would be a mistake when you come to visit.

I know, personally what may make me come back to Monterrey will be the massage girls and not "just another Mexican strip club."

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Prokofiev]

From MasterMind . . .

" The real thing for Monterrey to brag about is the massage parlor scene. Good prices and good service are very available at the MPs, but you will have to wade through some ugly porkies before finding your princess. I had gone to quite a few other MPs that weren't even good enough to make me recall their names, but Signore and Faraonas provided pretty chicas who gave good service at a very good price.

. . . I think that its a bit of a disservice to the readers here to steer everybody away from the MPs and into the strip clubs because what really makes the city a worthwhile mongering destinations is the availability of good sex at a low price at the MPs."

MasterMind is spot on with his comments. Again, this is his opinion and it is very well stated. Different strokes for different folks.

But why do you (Carlos,USB) feel the need to put down someone else's well written opinion? . . . "Ya' know...things are becoming abundantly clear...What better way to pave the way for profitability oriented commentary within the forum than by attempting to discredit, and hopefully remove, guys that have over 500 posts each"

Have you lost your mind?? No one is trying to "remove" you - except for Jackson. The "we know what is correct" BS is what turns off other posters with valuble info. Please stop attacking/ disrespecting other members with differing tastes and opinions. This guy wrote a great post. Documents what he did - both good and bad. There is nothing "fishy" there at all.

Dude, back away from the keyboard and give it a rest . . .

[MonterreyDude]

Prokofiev: For me, an MP anywhere in Mexico is an MP.
No difference between one and another, no matter the city, no matter the town.
The girls are indistinct from one place to another.
No personality, no special way to distinguish one from another girl.

Let me tell you, I might not do MPs, I might not like them, but that doesn't mean Iam not up to date with them.
I don't know if you are aware that Iam own a local Monterrey Yahoo Group and my members opt for many things, one of them being MPs.
So once in a while, supposedly being the guy that knows everything, I have to taste the waters so I know what Iam talking about.
I walk the Inifinto MC area and I know every single MP in the area. I have detailed maps done by me with all the MPs in the mid dowtown Monterrey area.

You sir, let me quote one of your posts from March: "I doubt you can find a real massage after 10pm or 24/7 anywhere in the world much less Monterrey. You can always go to a place like Signore and tell them what you want and that you'll tip well. Tell the girls 500 pesos for 45 minutes -up front and someone will take you up on it. They wont do a great job, nor will they like it. Real massage is hard work plus the girls have no training. Laying on your back and getting drilled, not so hard. But it is an option."

Let me see, just by reading the post I can read between the lines, even if I hate MPs, that Prokofiev is a guy that knows his way around MPs.

Mastermind said on his first post that he knew his way around SEA an TJ... he comes to Montrrey and he can't find anything and leaves unsatisfied.

Come on Prokofiev... Me, I know YOU are good.

Mastermind... with all due respect, if he found out the SC scene was bad, he should have posted a 911 call and me, even if I dont like MPs, I would have been glad to help him out... how about you Prokofiev, with your local experience???

I guess even you could have posted some advice during his 6 day tenure, not just right now tonight.

Like for example on March you posted the Signore and Passion webpages. You could have reposted them.
If he gave us a signal that things weren't like he liked them, I could have posted Marcellas at www.pompis.com or maybe even the high class www.misses.com.mx.
I could have pointed out the Intenzzo, Duality, Playboys, Millenium, Sensaciones and several new ones that have opend after you last stop over here.
The MPs on the outer downtown area, like Versace, Status, Horoscope, Deborah's, Safari, Novospa... tons of them.

Many options, but no calls for aid.... I mean, hands are tied when they could have been helping out.
And with pleasure.....








From MasterMind . . .

" The real thing for Monterrey to brag about is the massage parlor scene. Good prices and good service are very available at the MPs, but you will have to wade through some ugly porkies before finding your princess. I had gone to quite a few other MPs that weren't even good enough to make me recall their names, but Signore and Faraonas provided pretty chicas who gave good service at a very good price.

. . . I think that its a bit of a disservice to the readers here to steer everybody away from the MPs and into the strip clubs because what really makes the city a worthwhile mongering destinations is the availability of good sex at a low price at the MPs."

MasterMind is spot on with his comments. Again, this is his opinion and it is very well stated. Different strokes for different folks.

But why do you (Carlos,USB) feel the need to put down someone else's well written opinion? . . . "Ya' know...things are becoming abundantly clear...What better way to pave the way for profitability oriented commentary within the forum than by attempting to discredit, and hopefully remove, guys that have over 500 posts each"

Have you lost your mind?? No one is trying to "remove" you - except for Jackson. The "we know what is correct" BS is what turns off other posters with valuble info. Please stop attacking/ disrespecting other members with differing tastes and opinions. This guy wrote a great post. Documents what he did - both good and bad. There is nothing "fishy" there at all.

Dude, back away from the keyboard and give it a rest . . .

[Prokofiev]

" . . . he comes to Monterrey and he can't find anything and leaves unsatisfied"

Thats NOT what he posted. He had some good experiences and some bad. He DID go to Misses . . . and Faraonas and Signore. No need to continue to re-post all that info. It's already in the ROD area. And I can't remember ANYONE who has gone to Signore and reported they had a bad time. Great bang for the buck.

But you guys simply can't accept anyone else's opinion. And you then put-down anyone who reports otherwise. I have been to all the places MasterMind posted about and I have more or less the exact same opinion. Infinito and the other mid-priced clubs are very loud, dark and not very comfortable in the privados. You end up spending way more than necessary. Some girls are cute - others not so. The best looking girls I have seen in Monterrey were at Misses. And I have had a couple of great ladies at Signore for 200-300MP.

But I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. And I realize that tastes vary. Just quit insulting other posters and their experiences. This forum is NOT just about you . . .

[Member #3453]

suggesting that the "club girls crowd," has been somehow misleading other visitors with our comments is what sparked the flame to begin with.

our reports and comments are simply our own experiences and opinions, and not intended to advocate our preference for the strip clubs over the massage parlors, door girls, streetwalkers, etc...

monterrey has some good massage parlors, and there are many to choose from. but, to actually post the suggestion, or a mistaken conclusion, that the "quality of selection," on the whole, is superior to the clubs is misleading and untrue.

mastermind's exact words were no less inflamatory...and i quote, "i think that its a bit of a disservice to the readers here to steer everybody away from the mps and into the strip clubs."

making the accusation that "we" are somehow perpetrating a disservice is not what i consider amiable commentary, even though i initially ignored his crass comment with my first response. perhaps his was just an innocent poor choice of words so i overlooked it.

but, somehow, his familiarity with our past recommendations, an apparent newbie with (4) posts, one that articulates his disatisfaction with a certain element of "familiar frustration" over the content of our recommendations, leads me to believe his accusations were based more on some kind of history, and "fruedianly" revealing as to his possibly being of otherwise clandestined origins within the community.

my initial comments with respect to the validity of his conclusions are certainly no more inflamatory than his own words, suggesting that the commentary of the guys that prefer the strip clubs over the massage parlors is somehow perpetrating a disservice.

we can tolerate other opinions, but we do not have to agree with them provided we articulate our opionions according to the rules of the board, which we have done.

i certainly did not refer to mastermind as "the wicked witch," or refer to him as "gay," as has been done to me, or cast any direct personal aspersions by name calling, not even within my more harshly worded comments, which i have removed just so others do not misconstrue the intent of my comments.

i do believe his comments are either made from preconceived notions, innocently mistaken, or purposefully contrived for a larger purpose.

actually, i thoroughly enjoyed reading his post until i got to the end, and i actually agreed with some of what he had to say. but, i just got the distinct feeling after reading his post that it was not consistent with what i know to be the case in mty with respect to selection. that made it seem fishy.

unfortunately, the events that have transpired here the last few months have me believing that there is an alterior motive to the reports and commentary of some, especially those with newbie posting history.

when i read reports that contain discrepencies, mistakes, and sometimes direct attempts to lead mongers astray, those conclusions are based on my own extensive experience in the monterrey venue.

what should i do? just sit idoly by and permit those conclusions to prevail without politely commenting on my position? the readers of the forum are intellegent enough to consider the totality of the comments within the forum and to draw their own conclusions.

there is seemingly an apparently strong desire for some to promote the massage scene on the board. i realize some like the massage scene. fine, no problem...then report on it. i don't frequent the massage scene because i have found those experiences to be just the opposite to what some represent the massage venue to be. my opinion...no big deal. but, don't expect us to report on a scene that we do not like. it is up to you guys to report your experiences on that scene. we will not disagree if your conclusions have a hint of validity.

so, say whatever you want about your experiences in the massage parlors, but don't misrepresent them to be more than they typically are. but, if you begin to criticize the conclusions i might have with respect to comparing what is available otherwise, then we are going to agree to disagree...no big deal.

but, to misrepresent what one is typically likely to find in the massage parlors with respect to quality of selection compared to the thousands of club girls in mty is simply incorrect, and totally misleading. that is where i will stipulate my comments in polite rebuttal.

with respect to misses...sure, selection there may be comparable to the best of the selection in the clubs, but the cost is actually quite a bit higher than the club girls. to post that the quality of selection of misses is superior to the probably thousands of girls to select from in the clubs is totally incredible, and logically, it hints at an alternatve purpose, one other than to provide solid advice out of a benevolent concern for other mongers.

i know..."it's a simple solution," we can create a massage parlor section on the board, similar to the usb section, the nibu section, etc...and that will "solve everything." we can confine one another to our respective camps so we can all get along. the massage parlor crowd can post their perspective there, and the club girls crowd can post in their own section. then, we can leave the mty board to do what it almost always does otherwise, sit idoly by with no commentary.

really, in the big scheme of things...our comments here don't really matter too much to any of us do they? the commentary serves to guide us in our larger purpose, which is to fully experience monterrey, no matter what our personal preferences might be, massage or club girls.

the opposing commentary gives the reader a fuller, better informed base from which to draw conclusions about the mty venue prior to making a trip. if freedom of speech made with corduality is intimidating, then perhaps we should be living in china, where there is real intimidation at expressing one's opinions.

i think perhaps we all take ourselves just a little too seriously. peace...

[El Cabron 007]

Let's end this. Some of us like strip clubs and others like massage parlors. Some of us may like to spend $500 a day and others can only do $50. Nothing wrong with that.

And ..... if someone likes a particular place, so be it. I am sure if I go to a resturant and order fish , because that's what I like to 'eat', I don't expect anyone to tell me that I made the wrong choice and I should've ordered the steak, right? I can only tell how good something tastes. If someone disagrees, order something else.

Open mind is the key.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

Yes, Porkofiev, you are right, he did mention Misses.

Why did I missed that part? I don't know... maybe Mastermind's post lacked the sincerity of a guy honestly looking for fun.
And I insist, didn't sound like a guy with 25 years of experience at TJ and SEA...

Prokofiev, you don't need a 200 IQ to do well at MPs.
Here in Monterrey, you only need the afternoon paper El Sol and nothing else. You don't even need a map.
Or do you need a method and a rule book?





" . . . he comes to Monterrey and he can't find anything and leaves unsatisfied"

Thats NOT what he posted. He had some good experiences and some bad. He DID go to Misses . . . and Faraonas and Signore. No need to continue to re-post all that info. It's already in the ROD area. And I can't remember ANYONE who has gone to Signore and reported they had a bad time. Great bang for the buck.

But you guys simply can't accept anyone else's opinion. And you then put-down anyone who reports otherwise. I have been to all the places MasterMind posted about and I have more or less the exact same opinion. Infinito and the other mid-priced clubs are very loud, dark and not very comfortable in the privados. You end up spending way more than necessary. Some girls are cute - others not so. The best looking girls I have seen in Monterrey were at Misses. And I have had a couple of great ladies at Signore for 200-300MP.

But I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. And I realize that tastes vary. Just quit insulting other posters and their experiences. This forum is NOT just about you . . .

[MonterreyDude]

Let me end this once and for all on my behalf.

I will openly post here that on my account I will never ever contradict a poster on his local routine if his preference are the MP's and I will help him if needed.

The other way around: I will be expecting respect for us that enjoy and love the Monterrey strip club scene cause you MP users openly hate it and indirectly in your posts you denote it.

It is not my fault that being SC regulars make us like a fraternity and an MP user makes you more like an independent entity.

No more to be said... you guys can post between yourselves and I mean it, if a guy comes to the Monterrey thread and asks for help on the MP scene, it's up to you Monterrey MP mongers to help him out, not to mantain absolute silence.

Am not sticking my fork in your business for you guys anymore unless asked for.

[Member #3453]

Mastemind Says:

"So are you saying that more expensive means better service?"

Ok, now...you asked "me" several questions, made several comments directed squarely at me for commentary, right? Ok, I will answer herein. Please don't report me to Jackson and claim that my comments were unsolicited.

To answer your question...

No, absolutely NOT. What I said was that the strip clubs offer a better quality of selection with respect to appearance, personality, and GFE potential.

The "quality" of selection, meaning personality and appearance, are unequivically better from the strip clubs than from the massage parlors, on a percentages per capita basis. Because the girls personally earn more in the strip clubs, a lot more, earnings that directly correlate with their overall abilities to sell, unless of course, they graduate to the Misses category. The strip club girls, just like the Misses girls, earn more for a reason, they have more of what it takes to earn the higher amounts of money.

They MUST have the looks, the skill, and the appearance to last. If they don't have all three they are history. Most of the girls working the lower and middle level massage parlors do not have the ability on all three fronts to keep a position on the club circuit. They do not typically still have the bodies because most of them are just slightly over their prime, nor do they like talking to customers, hence less charming personalities. They simply don't possess the skills and attributes required to last in the club environment.

With respect to comparing other countries to Monterrey, I have often said there is no comparison. To compare other countries to Monterrey is apples and oranges, except to say that the better strip clubs, the high end clubs, are world class in Monterrey. You did not visit those...they are, agreeable too damned expensive.

With respect to our frequenting the lower end clubs, it is for economics sake, which we have stated numerous times. We have great success there. I don't push you into trying them if you like MPs, or say you are crazy for partaking in the MPs...not at all. I just merely stated that your accusation that we only promote our preferred clubs is unfair and incorrect. I don't doubt your visit fell on a bad night in the clubs...It happens to all of us. But, that doesn't negate five years of my visiting Monterrey on a monthly basis and being familiar with the selection that is typically in the clubs versus what is routinely available in the massage parlors.

We only report on the venue we enjoy. I have no reason to post experiences in MPs because I have chosen, through prior experience with them, to avoid them. All I have to report is my experience in the clubs, because that is what I enjoy attending. If that seems like we are promoting certain clubs, well...it would mean we are promoting the least expensive clubs in town...not a likely profitability motivator were we on the pad.

I think it's a shame that you were disappointed by El Infinito. It doesn't change my perspective about El Infinito, that it is probably the best bang for the buck in strip clubs. But, I have to admit, I might just give the MPs another try because of the content of your recent post. Rest assured, if I find you were correct in your assessments, I am man enough to report back that I've been totally mistaken after all these years and countless endeavors to give the MPs the opportunity to satisfy my base urges.

I routinely get strip club girls to my hotel room for 500 pesos for two hours. MJ was correct when he said that it requires an initial investment to achieve that. That is pretty close to the cost you're experiencing in the MPs, right? So, we are spending about the same with respect to the actual act itself, except I am getting sometimes twice to ten times the amount of time. But, the pre-investment that MillJust referred to accounts for my added time. I have done the math, and I think the expenditures have been worth it. I know that in comparison to my cost here in the States for the same quality of experience it is definitely cheaper in Monterrey, all things considered, travel included.

But, I can also unequivically state that if it is GFE you desire, which is obviously not your preference, then the strip club girls offer the best potential for success in that area. I fully understand and respect your logic that you're sick of being manipulated by the strip club girls...but, I am intrigued and entertained by them. Oh, sure occassionally they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off too. Just take a look at some of my recent posts last month...my crying about them not being worth a shit. But, generally, I am more satisfied with the strip club experience than I would ever hope to be in the MPs, I think.

The MP experience has no prospect for producing a GFE experience. You can call me gullible and sappy if you wish, due to my preference for GFE, and as a result of my posting overly dramatic and lengthy reports. But, I don't call you cold because you prefer mechanical release in an MP environment.

That is the difference between us. I comment on the content of your reports, without making personal insults against you as a person through name calling. My comments are directly related to your conclusions about the Monterrey venue and no more. Fact is, were you to lose your hatred of me, we could probably meet and enjoy an MP or strip club or two. Isn't that what this is all about?

With respect to cost, there really is no way in which to compare the lower and medium level MPs with the strip clubs. The MPs are unequivically the least expensive bang for the buck....well, no, the least expensive is probably the street girls on Reforma. We have even had some reports here with respect to those girls. To each his own...really, I do not mean that as a slam. But, I would not travel to Monterrey for that kind of experience...just my personal preference.

With regard to the long lost MP trip reports you refer to, we mostly have the long lost, but probably ever present, Porker, to thank for those. He is presently on vacation in the PI, and he wouldn't trade 10 minutes in the PI for five days in a Monterrey MP. Porker still attends the MPs in Monterrey, and almost exclusively so. But, if you ask him in person, and I have, he does so mainly because of economics, which is fine. I have no quarrel with that decision, and you have rightly stipulated having that same perspective.

With respect to my being accused of having "political" commentary. I think you mis-spoke and meant to say the I am always making Philosophical commentary with respect to mongering. I am guilty of that, certainly...and lengthy, lengthy comments...I apologize. But, we are talking apples and oranges with respect to our preferences. There is simply no skill level required to select an MP girl and to achieve release with her. There is considerable strategy associated with getting the best sessions from strip club girls. The text required to explain and discuss strategy with respect to strip clubs requires far more prolific text than to simply report the MP experience.

Perhaps my original suggestion to establish an MP section might actually prove quite useful for all concerned. I think it would very possibly solve some of the issues here. Maybe we could ask to establish a strip club section and a MP section. For my part, all are welcome, MP and strip club officionados alike. I am not threatened by disagreement. I am only hurt and disappointed at personal attacks...yet, not discouraged from posting my opinions infinitum.

I will also make the same committment that Carlos articulated, in case Jackson decides not to establish an MP section. But, you guys that have knowledge of MPs are going to have to make the commitment to contribute commentary. I have watched and waited on here, sometimes weeks on end for others to post, just to give all the opportunity to post something, if in fact my participation created an atmosphere of intimidation, which I seriously doubt. But, for some reason, NOTHING.

I have been the single poster that receives the greatest numbers of personal insults on the ISG board. It does not deter me. Don't be bashful because we voice an opinion. You will live if we comment that we disagree or that we have differing preferences and why. Just don't get personal. That IS Jackson's function to moderate the board so that our rhetoric doesn't escalate to personal insults.

Mastermind, if I was hasty in my assessment of your motives and intentions, I apologize.

I will hold back to the best of my ability while you guys discuss MPs. Add your comments about which are better and why, how much you paid, your strategy, if there is one with respect to MPs, and even your philosophy as to why the MPs are your preferred venue. Who knows, I may even ask some questions. I will be waiting for your recommendations, Prok, Mastermind, any others...because I will be in MTY next week, and I promise to check them out and report back. Won't that be fun :D

We all, myself included, need to lighten up. I thought we were trying to have fun.

[Member #3453]

MJ,

Agreed...I hereby bury the hatchet, extend the peace pipe...whatever. But, I still say, even though I would prefer that we not be all fighting so much, that it has been much more interesting here since you first posted your opinion the other day concerning the debate over the Casas versus the Strip Clubs, that after many days of boring inactivity.

You see...you started it...you sly devil you :D

Please, everyone post more...reports, comments, whatever...No one should feel intimidated. What is there to be afraid of...nothing...nothing. We will all survive our respective meaningless opinions, mine included.

I would post something relevant more often, something with more substantive information, but until I visit Monterrey again, I am without any material to post. I guess I could describe the hot girl I saw at Arby's...ok, I won't.

My point is, there simply isn't anything to post, and it's not because people are intimidated or bashful. Nobody on here is bashful, quite the contrary. I suspect it is more because they are simply NOT mongering in MTY...or, if they are mongering in MTY, they are too lazy to contribute a report and/or comments.

I will remain quiet now to allow for unfettered, previously withheld commentary to magically appear, unless directly taunted into further commentary, in which case I will not probably be able to contain myself, but I'll try.

[Precocious One]

The dance hall place I previously mentioned is called Bar International. It is directly across the street from Pasaralas. Beers are 1.50 regardless of the night with no price differences for the chicas. Spotless bathrooms, loud, lighted music and TV's for the sports. Yes, there are working girls that do frequent the place and last night about three pro or non-pro chicas were attractive with one being absolutely stunning. Twenty years old with two kids but fit very, very well in her short skirt and revealing top.

I can't quite figure this place out yet. I have actually been rebuffed by two different girls there that sit in the "hoe's seating section". I am not certain, but I believe that some of these girls are actually there looking for a boyfriend of which I do not fit the criteria. Either that, or it is quite possible that some of these chicas are the "playing hard to get hoes". If so, that will be a first for me.

Carlos, maybe you can check it out one night and fill us all in on the details. Either way, a great place to kill a couple hours without the hard sell.

[El Cabron 007]

Been there a couple of times with the girls. It did not come across as a SC or anything like that. It looked like a regular local pop for couples. Looked more like a family place.


The dance hall place I previously mentioned is called Bar International. It is directly across the street from Pasaralas. Beers are 1.50 regardless of the night with no price differences for the chicas. Spotless bathrooms, loud, lighted music and TV's for the sports. Yes, there are working girls that do frequent the place and last night about three pro or non-pro chicas were attractive with one being absolutely stunning. Twenty years old with two kids but fit very, very well in her short skirt and revealing top.

I can't quite figure this place out yet. I have actually been rebuffed by two different girls there that sit in the "hoe's seating section". I am not certain, but I believe that some of these girls are actually there looking for a boyfriend of which I do not fit the criteria. Either that, or it is quite possible that some of these chicas are the "playing hard to get hoes". If so, that will be a first for me.

Carlos, maybe you can check it out one night and fill us all in on the details. Either way, a great place to kill a couple hours without the hard sell.

[MonterreyDude]

Sorry to say this... no I won't, cause they know am an outsider to their circle.
One of the reasons they won't pay attention to you is that they know you are a stranger to town, and in my case, just by looking at me they can detect that Iam someone from the well off part of the city looking for hit and runs.



The dance hall place I previously mentioned is called Bar International. It is directly across the street from Pasaralas. Beers are 1.50 regardless of the night with no price differences for the chicas. Spotless bathrooms, loud, lighted music and TV's for the sports. Yes, there are working girls that do frequent the place and last night about three pro or non-pro chicas were attractive with one being absolutely stunning. Twenty years old with two kids but fit very, very well in her short skirt and revealing top.

I can't quite figure this place out yet. I have actually been rebuffed by two different girls there that sit in the "hoe's seating section". I am not certain, but I believe that some of these girls are actually there looking for a boyfriend of which I do not fit the criteria. Either that, or it is quite possible that some of these chicas are the "playing hard to get hoes". If so, that will be a first for me.

Carlos, maybe you can check it out one night and fill us all in on the details. Either way, a great place to kill a couple hours without the hard sell.

[MonterreyDude]

You haven't been to the Internacional, you've been to La Nacional...



Been there a couple of times with the girls. It did not come across as a SC or anything like that. It looked like a regular local pop for couples. Looked more like a family place.

[El Cabron 007]

I must've been dreaming then when I heard my "P" girl say "International" and the sign on the door said "International" and it was on the same exact spot as described directly across the street from Pasaralas on the same address and entered the same place and left the same place and it still said "International" .... twice.


You haven't been to the Internacional, you've been to La Nacional...

[Member #3453]

I must've been dreaming then when I heard my "P" girl say "International" and the sign on the door said "International" and it was on the same exact spot as described directly across the street from Pasaralas on the same address and entered the same place and left the same place and it still said "International" .... twice.


But, if your "P" girl was going there, that would seem to confirm PO suspicions that what he was seeing there were, uhhh, professionals...was it for the same kind of R & R type of reason...kind of like when the working girls go to taboo to blow off steam? That may be what PO is experiencing. The girls in there are working girls, but off duty.

Like Carlos says, you can take the girl out of the club, but you can't take the club out of the girl. Perhaps that's why the place is kind of hard to scope out with respect to our kind of potential. Some of the girls are what they appear to be, but not working.

[Member #3453]

I am going to be visiting the MPs next week. One problem...El Sol, the source for all the exact locations of the MPs, is only pubished a certain day of the week. I think it may be mid-week, and I don't really want to be delayed in visiting the MPs until mid-week. I would like to work them in with my normal routine visiting the clubs.

I want to check out the 6-7 best ones, but not necessarily the most expensive ones. I would expect to find superior quality of selection in the high end ones like Missess. I am interested wih respect to the moderately priced MPs for quality of selection. God knows...the lower end clubs DO have "some" pretty ugly girls...so, if I can find an MP that has superior selection to what is available in the selection of ugly girls in the clubs, superior selection for the price, then I am totally willing to give them another try.

Oh, what the hell...go ahead and advise me the top 4 high end MPs as well, and their locations. Mastermind's report has me intrigued with respect to Misses. I will check out the best of the high end MPs too while I'm at it.

Which are recommended, and can someone supply their exact locations? I don't want to be in MTY and have to wait for El Sol to hit the newstand to begin visiting them. And, secondly, what is the best times of day, evening, or night to visit them? What times will I find the best quality of selection in abundance?

My intentions are legit. I promise to assess them once again with a totally open mind. But, there are literally 50 massage parlors in MTY, and some are quite honestly, based on my prior research, a waste of time with respect to selection. I need some guidance in narrowing my focus so as to be more efficient, and to give them an honest opportunity to redeam their respective reputations with regard to my currently negative perceptions of them as having potential with respect to selection. I am totally open to being convinced.

And, what is possibly even more intriguing to me with respect to my GFE preferences is the possibility of MP "fining" them. I know in the past, that the girls are permitted to leave the MP if you pay their salida. If I find a diamond, or diamonds, in the rough, this strategy could have significant potential. Especially if I get to eventually know a few of them like I know the club girls. Arrangements can usually be made on the side at a reduced rate. Anyway, I want to test the full range of potential within the MPs, and that will be my focus, at least for the first part of the week next week. But, it will all hinge on quality of selection. Personality and charm??? Well, that will be up to them. I promise a full report upon my return if I am given the guidance here first with respect to logistics.

[El Cabron 007]

That would be correct. Off duty pro's. Another day in the life of a working girl.

And Wasted is there to live it with them. Lucky me?

This reminds me of an out of this world little coffee shop/bar in Bario Antigo(?) called La Tumba. It is a great place to kick back and listen to a local band of 2 or 3 playing to the pleasure, and requests, of the audience. I want to go back. Great memories with my first Monterrey love.

See some local girls write poems and give them to the leader of the band to read it or the girl would read it herself. I want to go back. Last I was there I took some coaster and postcards for keepsake.

Wasted


But, if your "P" girl was going there, that would seem to confirm PO suspicions that what he was seeing there were, uhhh, professionals...was it for the same kind of R & R type of reason...kind of like when the working girls go to taboo to blow off steam? That may be what PO is experiencing. The girls in there are working girls, but off duty.

Like Carlos says, you can take the girl out of the club, but you can't take the club out of the girl. Perhaps that's why the place is kind of hard to scope out with respect to our kind of potential. Some of the girls are what they appear to be, but not working.

[MonterreyDude]

I guess Wasted's right, must have been la Internacional.
La Internacional IS a dance hall, not a hook up place, SC nor a *****house.
It is only a plain bar where people go to dance.
Not like Sabino Gordo where the girls are there to hook.
Nothing more.

And it is one place, Wasted, that you are a total fish out of the water.... there are places where we do not belong.
Very difficult to explain, but it is lower class for Monterrey.

And Wasted, don't say that it was OK for you. It might have been OK for you cause you were there with P, but take P out and go alone and you'll be "fish out of the water".




But, if your "P" girl was going there, that would seem to confirm PO suspicions that what he was seeing there were, uhhh, professionals...was it for the same kind of R & R type of reason...kind of like when the working girls go to taboo to blow off steam? That may be what PO is experiencing. The girls in there are working girls, but off duty.

Like Carlos says, you can take the girl out of the club, but you can't take the club out of the girl. Perhaps that's why the place is kind of hard to scope out with respect to our kind of potential. Some of the girls are what they appear to be, but not working.

[El Cabron 007]

That is the thrill of the experience Carlos.

As we, Mr. "L", myself and 3 girls from el infi, walked in, we definitely got the "Who the hell are these assholes" look from everyone. Well, maybe I was the pimp and Mr. “L” was “who the hell is this stud” but who cares.

But, just like in many other places, we went about our business and enjoyed our 20-minute visit. And by the way, we only went there because "P" loves that place. I just could not resist her ‘please, please, can we go to El Inter for a little bit?” Just like many of our girls. They usually go there in groups. Almost all my regular girls.

I do realize and appreciate your concern and understand how I do not belong. But if I only went to places I did belonged, I would miss out on the few true authentic Monterrey experiences that I will cherish and write about in my "Wasted in Monterrey" book.

And ABSOLUTLY- you will never see me there alone. No way ...

Wasted


I guess Wasted's right, must have been la Internacional.
La Internacional IS a dance hall, not a hook up place, SC nor a *****house.
It is only a plain bar where people go to dance.
Nothing more.

And it is one place, Wasted, that you are a total fish out of the water.... there are places where we do not belong.
Very difficult to explain, but it is lower class for Monterrey.

[Precocious One]

Carlos,

Are you insinuating that I may run into physical trouble there? I've been there five or six times and never got that feeling. However, I do make a point of always taking my beer to the bathroom and I never leave it unoccupied. I actually kind of like this place.

And yes, one of the girls straight out told me one hundred. The majority do not show up until 10:30 to 11:00. I left at about 2:30 and the place had about twenty single girls there. In fact, there is a short time hotel conveniently right next door to Bar International. But then again, Pasaralas and I believe Secrets are right across the street. I still believe the majority of the girls there are P4P.

[Member #3453]

Thank you for reminding me that Prok had written that, and I most definitely will check it. And, of course, there is also the report that Mastermind just posted...I'll refer to that too. And then, there is El Sol, which is hit and miss due to the shear numbers of MPs advertising there...you never really know which of those adds holds a lot of promise.

But, with respect to my asking the intial logistical question, I figured I would demonstrate my open mindedness at asking for information from whomever might wish to contribute, just in order to demonstrate that I am NOT opposed to hearing about the MPs, nor do I want to be accused of promoting the club circuit only...I have taken the criticism to heart. I am in fact open to reading all points of view.

The only issue I took up with Mastermind was the selection comparison, and that is where my skepticism lies. That is going to be the basis of my research. But, I am not opposed to assessing the MP experience as a whole either. But, I am going to focus on the quality of selection issue.

I may be under the mistaken impression that the MP experience is not going to be satisfying to me based on my past experiences. But, that doesn't mean that I fault anyone for enjoying the MPs.

I am sincerely providing an opportunity, for those that may have possibly felt constrained by my former postings about the strip clubs, to insert something on the MPs within the MTY thead. I know guys think I am just baiting them, but I am simply trying to be concilliatory, welcoming a full range of commentary.

I may not have in the past been able to offer recommendations on things that have been beyond my range of routine experience in MTY (MPs), and I apologize, but I can't report on a venue I don't frequent. I do not fault those who wish to use the MPs and like to post their experiences about them.

Porker is one of my best friends from this board, and he used to post a shit load of stuff on the MPs. I have literally traveled the mongering world with Porker. He frequents the MPs in MTY, but not by choice necessarily. Certainly, his habits do not resemble an MP kind of existence when he's in the PI or Indonesia...but, he speaks favorably about the MPs in Monterrey because it's the only food on the buffet due to his circumstances. But, either way, circumstances or not, it's back to the steak thing...like Wasted said.

Where I suspect I will verify my disagreement with Mastermind is over the quality of selection issue, comparing MP selection to strip club selection. But, if I find that is not the case, I will be the first one to say I was WRONG, and apologize to him publicly here in the forum. But, it remains to be determined. However, I am not afraid to tell Mastermind I was dead wrong. What have I go to lose?

I know I am perceived as being disengenuous with respect to my research on the MPs, but Mastermind's post made me stop to think how I had not really visited an MP in a long time. Fact is, I have been contemplating a revist and assessment of them for quite some time, just for a change of pace. But, because you guys do not know me personally, you are assuming I am insincere. I truly am intending to make a non-biased evalutation, and the amigos on here that know me personally, know that I am totally for real.

Look, if I reported back with bias, it doesn't serve me or anyone else. I must admit, that because I enjoy the GFEs more, I am skeptical that I will personally find the MPs to be satisfactory at this point in my life. But, I am open to trying them out again, hoping actually that I do find some alternatives, if not for enjoyment sake then certainly for savings sake.

If I find that I don't like them, or that they turn me off, I will still report it as such, and why. But, on the other hand, if I find that I am satisfied with one or more of those experiences, then I PROMISE to report it truthfully. I am intrinsically skeptical, but open minded, willing to change my mind. The proof is in the pudding.

My amigos all know me well, all telling me that I am going to dislike them,....because they know me. But, all this is subjective. If you like MPs that's fine, and I welcome all of your comments on them.

But, now, especially after having completed my own research, research which I intend to carry our during the course of several subsequent visits, just so I can be certain of the validity of my conclusions, I will have a first hand perspective on the validity of most reports that come in here with respect to the MPs.

Up to now, I can't really refute or confirm my conclusions about selection or anything else because it's all based on past assessments.

So, I apologize to Mastermind for jumping to conclusions about his assessments over the quality of selection...I was premature.

I will make that right next week, and continue the assessment for several subsequent trips, just to be fair in making any future commentary, good or bad.

I do believe the effort to canvas the lower and medium level MPs will be significantly more tiring than sitting in a lower level strip club like El Infinito, where 40-60 girls are sometimes working. One would have to canvas many MPs to find that kind of overall selection. But, I am eating my Wheaties...:-) Popping my Viagra in advance....:-)


Why not just check the Reports of Distinction thread right here on the ISG? Proko's information on the MP's seems solid.

Somehow, though, I sense a very negative report coming up from you....Kinda like Fox News reporting on the Democratic National Convention....:)

[Member #3453]

If there is any snow balls chance in hell...I will find a way. I am that committed. :-)

Guys, don't the MPs offer a salida fee as well...just wondering what that might be. Anybody know the particulars?

Hey...got a great idea...

Galletas ala MP. No need to play the Cabron, etc...

What do ya' think? :D


MJ, how do you come up with this? :) and so true... don't get me started.

I, on the other hand, expect Bob to come back with GFE @ a MTY MP. How much do you ant to bet? ....

Just kidding ... we love you USB.

[Pecker Will]

Are there any local MPs nearby (especially Asian)? If so, close to me? I prefer going out rather than any in call. I'll appreciate any input. Thx

PW

[Member #3453]

Go to the closest Oxxo store and pickup the El Sol Newspaper. It is in stock at Oxxo now, Saturday afternoon, 2pm. The MPs will be listed in abundance there. I just picked mine up in El Centro so I can begin my research.

I don't really know where your hotel is located with respect to El Centro, the area of Madero near Villa Gran, but there are a shit load of MPs in that area for sure. Just hop in a cab, hand him El Sol opened to the MP page, and tell him "el mejor circa de agui,vamos" or "take a cab to the area of Villa Gran and Madero, where there are a wide variety available, many you can walk to. But, I vouch for none. I have no direct recent experience...

Mexican ancestory has a very strong Asian component. I have often thought that many Mexican girls have a decidedly Asian appearance. But, I have yet to see a full blooded Asian in any of the MPs here, but it's been a while since I checked. As for any specializing in Asians, I am not aware of any. Perhaps someone else can contribute their recommendations.

I feel like the MP Blind leading the Blind...

Perhaps you made a wrong turn in Dallas...you would quite possibly be much more satisfied hopping on a plane to LOS or the PI :D (just kidding).


Are there any local MPs nearby (especially Asian)? If so, close to me? I prefer going out rather than any in call. I'll appreciate any input. Thx

PW

[Member #3453]

I accept your conclusions about the MPs...I think they have merit with respect to cost, certainly. And, possibly even with respect to at least finding some selection.

Just as you pointed out that I may have had a misunderstanding about ample selection, you have perhaps also misunderstood that I have never promoted the clubs over anything, not other than to articulate my particular preferred kind of experience. The clubs are simply "my" source of chicas for salida, my preferred activity.

I must say, this afternoon, when I visited Faronas (#1), I was impressed with price, 160 pesos for a half hour is what I heard...I hope my Spanish was sufficient to have understood the dude correctly. Sound about right? Now, I went too early to find a decent selection, only two girls there at 3pm, but I was interested in checking it out.

The girls will start to trickle into the MPs at 4pm according to one of two girls in Faronas at 3pm. The window of opportunity will generally be between say 4pm, and 10pm, when most of them will close. So, that having been said, the operating hours of most MPs really separates the two venues with respect to timeliness, making the clubs almost your only option, at least for any kind of selection, after about 10pm on weeknights. I guess the MPs may be open later on weekends. I'll try to nail that down, or if anyone knows for sure they can post it here.

If I were advising someone to visit the MPs I would suggest between about 6pm and 9pm as the times with the best selection on weekdays.

Of the two in Faronas, one was doable, the other was just ok, but actually the one that was just ok was the nicer of two with respect to personality...Realizing that I visited too early at Faronas, I just took a walk over to Infinito, Givenchi, and Tangalay, and there were probably at least 25 girls working the bars between those three clubs, all within 50 feet of one another, with the largest number in Givechy believe it or not.

But, of the probably 10 girls in Infinito, I would have to say there were probably about 6-7 that were in the "very doable" category, and probably half of those were actually pretty damned HOT, all be it, obviously at a substantially increased price if choosing to take them on salida, and probably even at a slightly higher price were you to enjoy them in the privados compared to the MPs.

Now, maybe if I had visited a few more MPs, I would have found a few more doable girls. So, my research is far from over. And, I realize that this is an unscientific kind of assessment, also influenced by my own lack of discipline in giving the MPs a totally undistracted opportunity.

This afternoon, even with the clubs, I did something I rarely do. I rarely partake in any kind of services within the clubs. I almost always bar fine the girls for fun back at my hotel. I may do a privado or two, or even a few more, but the main purpose is interviewing for personality and potential. I rarely do anything with them other than talk, and a little light fondling.

Actually, I am kind of ashamed to admit it, but when I went to Tangalay this afternoon, after having the best of intentions to return to the MPs for further research between 6-7pm, a girl recognized me from my being in various clubs over the past four years, Pasarelas, Casino, and now, Tangalay. She came to my table, and her charm had me in the privados where I had full service from her for about 560pesos (covered of course), which included the several songs playing...

I think the actual cost for full service was 300 pesos. But, those of you that know me personally, must admit that in order for me to have done anything with her in the privados, I would have had to have been impressed by her charm, her potential for GFE outside the club, which I was. She was not the hottest girl in the bar, and she would have possibly been in the same category as a typical MP girl, but the key to my satisfaction is her personality and GFE potential.

I know...shit....I wanted to concentrate my efforts in the MPs, and I just succombed to her damned charms...She was really trying hard to get me to take full service from her in the privados, and now she is really, really, pushing for me to bar fine her tonight after 11pm, when she claims she will go with me for at least a few hours, maybe more, for 800 pesos...

She's is really pushing the bar fine thing, but suggesting instead, that for tonight we could meet after her shift, suggesting that for cost saving's sake, so I can avoid the bar fine. I don't know...of course, after all her pushing, I promised to come back to get her at 10pm, but I might just blow her off for later tonight. She was very insistant that she wants to go with me back to the hotel, and not at my urging...I like that kind of eagerness very much, even though I fully realize that her eagerness in motivated by greed, it still has a tendency to play into my preferred "attitudinal" preferences.

I just have too many options in the clubs, and it serves to distract me from my purpose. And, I might possibly have options, even for salida in the MPs, if I can just get focused, damn-it! I only have so many pops in me...I have to pace myself if I am going to enjoy my assessment of the MPs, that is, other than just visiting them just to do a census.

Mastermind,

I am wondering what times of the day you typically visited the clubs when you were in town, as well as the times that you found your best range of selection at the MPs.

Don't worry everyone...I know I was undisciplined and side tracked this afternoon, but, this aint over...I am committed to reporting as much as I can from both the clubs and the MPs, and I will make a non-biased report.

But, of course, we will all have our friendly disagreements on the experience we all respectively enjoy, and that's fine...But, at least when I am finished, I hope that by my reporting on the MPs, at least I will also demonstrate that I am part of the team here, and not the enemy. I hold absolutely no disrespect for guys that like to visit the MPs.

I leave now to visit Signore...I want to scope it out, and I'll report back here tomorrow. It's about 8:00pm.


You have misunderstood me I think. Of course the strip clubs with dozens of girls are going to have the more ample selection than the MPs with less then ten girls. The thing I was saying was that it wasn't worth the price paid at the strip clubs for FS when I could get the same service (with even raunchier and more adventerous, but still attractive girls) at 1/3 the price and with 1/10 the time involved. While some of strip club girls were beautiful, the prices and the nickel and diming of the clients made for service that was way to expensive when compared to what I saw available at the MPs, where you just popped in and if you saw a chicas that you likes, you'd go back to the room and have at it. The strip clubs in Monterrey just didn't impress me and things if you let them would get way out of hand with the amount spent at the end of the night. I'm not cheap, but I refuse to be taken in for a sucker. Based on my experiences in Monterrey I was continuously more satisfied with my MP experiences than with my experiences at the strip clubs. Now, don't take me wrong the strip clubs were ok sometimes, but they are what they are everywhere- places where tourists come to empty their wallets for the chance to have sex with a stripper. In that respect Monterrey is no different than anywhere else in Mexico. However, the vast number of MPs is what makes Monterrey different and comparatiely cheap.

[Member #3453]

I visited Signore about 8pm Saturday night. There were about (8) girls available at that hour. Most of the girls appeared to be slightly older than what I generally find in the clubs. I would say that the older girls I saw were actually the hotter choices, maybe 30 years old, or slightly older, 32-33. The younger girls were almost all a little bigger built, not really to my liking. The older girls were well preserved however, and almost all of them would be considered very “doable” certainly, and the younger girls too, except with respect to the gorda issue.

The woman at Signore quoted me 150 pesos for ½ hour, and she told me that I should always show up no later than 9pm. So, that would also indicate that they close around 10pm, and that she meant for me to show up at least by 9pm. So, and I concluded, therefore, that most visitors opt for at least an hour of service, which would be 300 pesos for full service, F/S, all con condom of course. With respect to the hours of operation of the MPs, 10pm is a very early time to call it a night, another reason the Strip Clubs are virtually the only game in town after 10pm. This is a huge consideration, IMHO, and should not be overlooked. If you don't wrap it up, having all your fun prior to 10pm, and you don't want to go the strip clubs, then you are done for the rest of the night.

I had a very busy night last night...

I was up until 4am, after bar fining one of my favoritas from Pasarelas. I will report that experience in the USB section because it will be lengthy, and it will also contain a lot of personal observations about Signore and MPs in general, to include my perceptions about why I believe I prefer the salida experience over the MP experience generally speaking.

I do not wish to clog the regular board with that kind of detail. All are invited to read and comment in the USB section, selectable by pressing the Northern Mexico button at the Mexico forums selection area.

My intention is to actually partake in service in whichever of the MPs I find most intriguing after having canvassed a number of them. Stay tuned...

[Member #3453]

Ok,...

The rain started here last night around 6:30pm, just as I was starting to canvas the MPs. Just as I pulled up to Playboy I, the rains started. Playboy I literally had only one girl in attendance, and she we a skag. I immediately walked to Playboy II, which is just down the street from El Infinito, just about maybe 2 minutes on foot from Playboy I. There were three girls working in Playboy II. Only one of them was even remotely doable with the other two being rather large. Even the doable one would not have enticed me to select her were she dancing in one of the clubs. She would be considered a last resort, a "lesser of three evils" kind of selection.

If this is any representation of what can typically be found in Playboy, I will pass in the future. If anyone knows otherwise, that maybe other days of the week are superior, then I will be glad to check it out again.

Because the rain was starting to come down pretty heavy, I decided to abandon running around between the MPs. It's just too miserable to do that. I decided that because of the rain, I would just pop into the strip clubs to wait out the storm. I will report on that experience within the USB section so as not to post too lengthy a description here.

And, a question...frankly, which is more aggravating...reading long commentary here, or having to switch to an altogether different forum for a detailed description? I suspect those that do not appreciate the long winded commentary are reading it in the USB section anyway, or am I wrong.

I am trying to limit myself to shorter comentary here as requested. I am not mad about it, but it just seems kind of stupid to me to have to switch to another forum to read what is being posted about MTY, long winded or not. I am just trying to get along, but it all seems so counterproductive when there is literally nothing else being posted here otherwise....but peace on earth, and good will toward men...etc... :D

[Member #3453]

I just posted a review of the new privado room at Givenchy in the USB section, complete with lengthy commentary.

[MonterreyDude]

There are no MPs in the San Nicolas county.
For that you need to move to the Monterrey downtown area.

PD: am back from shopping in the McAllen Tx, area.



Are there any local MPs nearby (especially Asian)? If so, close to me? I prefer going out rather than any in call. I'll appreciate any input. Thx

PW

[Member #3453]

I visited two more MPs last night. I simply could not find anything I would touch with a ten foot pole, so I moved on. I know these are obscure establishments, and probably not worthy of assessment, but that´s really part of the problem. There are so many MPs in Monterrey, that you have to waste a huge amount of time canvassing them all to find doable prospects.

At this junture, about the only one I would waste time checking of all that I´ve seen so far, which is only a handfull of the plethera of small insignificant ones, is Signore. That one seems worth the effort.

The first one I visited last night was called El Libre. It has a rather expensive looking sign out front...looked pretty inviting. I walked in around 9:30pm. There were three girls, two of them were cows, the other was thinner, but still a skag. I just decided to move on to see if I could find another one with more selection. I believe they quoted 170 pesos for a half hour.

I visited one called Virgo, Madero No. 846. When I walked in there was one girl. I asked when the widest selection would be available, keeping in mind that it was already about 10:00pm (they are open 24 hours) and they said "this is it." The girl was NOT DOABLE, and they quoted 200 pesos for a half hour. They never did answer my questions as to when the largest selection was to be available.

Guys, this MP thing aint lookin' too promising, I gotta tell ya. The only one with any promise so far has been Signore, at least with respect to what I would term low to medium quality MPs in the price range that may make selection from the clubs less economical.

I would like to check out Misses and Romanos, and I fully intend to do so, but I may run out of time depending on my other activities. With the agenda so far, I just don´t want to continue to waste too much time canvassing what has proven so far to be a relatively disappointing venue, at least for me with respect to overall quality of selection compared to the clubs.

I realize that Misses and Romanos, and the higher end places like Versace, and such, will be akin to the same cost as bar fining from the clubs, so I have to weigh whether wasting my time to canvas them will be worth the investment of time. I mean, my cost in the clubs, if I play my cards right, has me paying close to, if not exactly the same as the medium level MPs. Read my reports in the USB section for greater cost analysis. These are summarized conclusions, and I will elaborate with some qualification to my conclusions in the USB section.

I have been very busy, almost experiencing battle fatigue with respect to my bar fines and the extent of my privado experiences. I used yesterday to abstain from any directly sexual activity whatsoever, just to conserve some energy for tonight. But, just for entertainment, I spent a ton on Jarras at Pasarelas, and a modest amount on my G Girl at Infinito in the privados. Details will be in the USB section. But, frankly, the ton spent on Jarras has nothing really to do with sexual gratification. It was simply entertainment for me, socializing and such. It of course, will pay dividends when I actually do bar fine those same girls, but I did not spend the money last night with any strategic investment strategy in mind...simply, I spent the money to entertain myself for hours on end...no sex.

I will report on last night's escapades, which consisted of visiting El Infinito to visit with my "G" girl, buying her two drinks, and about (6) privados, then stopping briefly into El Cielo to canvass a relatively poor "MP" quality of selection, and sitting in Pasarelas the rest of the night. The details can be found in the USB section eventually. For now, the internet is down in my hotel, and I had to come up to the computer store across from PDA to post this update. I'll get to the details in the USB section, time permitting. No rest for the weary and committed. Oh, in the MP canvas last night, I also have another hotel to offer up as an option, one that is relatively cheaper than PDA, and has wireless internet, and closer to ground zero. Details in the USB section later on.

[El Cabron 007]

I gotta tell you, for someone who is so anti MP's, you sure went out of your way on a mission you already did not expect to make significant changes and really put sincere effort. Thank you Bob. I am sure the readers appreciate everything you've don these past few days.

Great work.

Wasted




I have been very busy, almost experiencing battle fatigue with respect to my bar fines and the extent of my privado experiences. I used yesterday to abstain from any directly sexual activity whatsoever, just to conserve some energy for tonight. But, just for entertainment, I spent a ton on Jarras at Pasarelas, and a modest amount on my G Girl at Infinito in the privados. Details will be in the USB section. But, frankly, the ton spent on Jarras has nothing really to do with sexual gratification. It was simply entertainment for me, socializing and such. It of course, will pay dividends when I actually do bar fine those same girls, but I did not spend the money last night with any strategic investment strategy in mind...simply, I spent the money to entertain myself for hours on end...no sex.

[Member #3453]

I met with Carlos today, first at Prestige for the buffet, and even a quick run through the Obsession. Carlos has graciously agreed to take me on a tour of all the outlying MPs that form the periphery around the city. Apparently, he says most of them charge 200 pesos, and they are typically not easily accessible because I believe he said they are out a ways from El Centro. So, if we find some decent pickin's it could serve the board well for some other options. Report to follow...


I gotta tell you, for someone who is so anti MP's, you sure went out of your way on a mission you already did not expect to make significant changes and really put sincere effort. Thank you Bob. I am sure the readers appreciate everything you've don these past few days.

Great work.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

Thank you for the thank you. It occurs to me however, that the only reason I have sufficient material to populate these pages with information or escapades, is because I am spending huge sums of money in order to generate material to post. When I am back in the "wasteland," it will be business as usual, with my only having philosophical commentary to contribute. But, it is also precisely why I believe these pages are not typically populated with much of anything. It has nothing to do with intimidation or bullying, but more a matter of nobody mongering in Monterrey or choosing to report their experiences.

The last year or more, I have concentrated on spending less, and enjoying more. Many believe my exclusivity with Angry Girl initially, and then my "G" girl over the last 10 months, caused me to be too conservative, and frankly, one has significantly less to write if you are patronizing one girl with an almost legitimized romantic "relationship." MJ has articulated that I now seem happier, but I also have the increases in cost to consider in the overall assessment of my happiness. I fully expect to spend probably 30% or more than what I formerly did by being very conservative, thereby also having less material to write about with respect to diversity of experience.

The cost of patronizing both Angry Girl, and my "G" girl, was always very reasonable in comparison to what I've been doing all week. I have just resolved myself that if I am going to come down here, and spend what it takes to have fun. If the drama of romantically patronizing a girl like my "G" girls serves to frustrate me sometimes, then I am throwing money at the problem, and finding other options to fill the time. The key is filling the time with exciting alternatives to what "G" girl provides.

The MP guys are right with respect to total cost as it compares to the club action that I've been enjoying this week. But, conversely, if they also patronized the MPs with the same consumption of time, their expenditures would also be quite huge.

If the medium level MPs cost you an average of 400-500 pesos with tip, and you are in the MP for an hour at most, then if you multiply that by the number of hours I spend on salida or in the clubs cutting up with the girls, the cost is going to be just as prohibitive, and even more so were you to patronize MPs like Misses or Romanos at 1600 to 800 pesos respectively. It is still infinitely cheaper to kill time in the clubs than to patronize one of the higher end massage parlors for only an hour. I can kill time in the clubs, watching the girls dance, and spend no more than 210 pesos on a Coka Lite if I choose to. Or, I can spend a little more, at the right intervals, buy a girl drink, partake in a privado, and come away from the clubs a couple of hours later just as satisfied as if I had taken mechanical release at one of the MPs.

For my pesos, I have more fun in a club environment, and in the privacy of my hotel room if opting for a salida, versus with the MP environment. Certainly, with the amortization of time factored into the mix as it translates to per hour cost, I am doing much better than if I were to patronize the MPs for the same amounts of time.

There is certainly a place for the MP in this venue because not everyone has the logistical prowess, the desire, or the money to spend beyond one hour, and I realize that.

I am merely articulating my preferred range of activities, ones that if you compare the cost, which is probably around a $30-$40 an hour average in the clubs to around $40-$60 an hour in the MPs, and to be fair, maybe it's even a wash with respect to hourly cost in comparing the clubs and the MPs, then, for me, I fail to see the advantage of my patronizing the MPs, unless I have no desire to sit and interact with females other than to strictly have sex with them per se, something I am not interested in doing. If that is your goal, to strictly have sex, and to avoid interacting with girls on a personal level, then the MPs serve a very useful purpose...release.

I make these comparison not out of a desire for understanding or across the board agreement, but to articulate the difference between expectation of experience, expectation that is different for each and every individual monger based on their own circumstances. I do it mostly for those that may not have visited MTY, just so they know prior to coming, what to expect depending on which of the two camps they might identify with most. There is no right or wrong answer, MPs better, Clubs better...it is strictly personal preference.


I gotta tell you, for someone who is so anti MP's, you sure went out of your way on a mission you already did not expect to make significant changes and really put sincere effort. Thank you Bob. I am sure the readers appreciate everything you've don these past few days.

Great work.

Wasted

[Precocious One]

I am sure everyone is well aware of this, however, never bring drugs or anything illegal into these clubs. At around 2:30 this morning, no less than 25 heavily-armed federales came into the Tangelay and searched almost half the patrons in the club. Mag-lites, video cameras, 9mm's along with bullet-prooof vests. The girl I was with, Stephanie, had to leave our table and go into the girls room to open her locker and display its contents. The whole fiasco went on for about 15-20 minutes with no arrests.

I'll tell you this, if Wall Street had these guys monitoring the CDO markets, we would not be in the mess that we are currrently in. Did anyone watch that Cramer video yesterday with Erin Burnett? It's about five minutes long and well worth the time.

[Member #3453]

Now...one of my favorite strip clubs it Pasarelas...But,

Beware, especially if you're a Gringo. The last couple of times I've patronized Pasarelas, I have dropped my guard with respect to the amount on the tab, and the crooked waiters that are there took advantage of me. This also occurred to us, myself and Precocious One, back in the July.

This last time, I had paid for my drink up front, then I ordered two drinks in succession that were individual drinks for Cindy #1, and I paid for those upfront as well.

Then, I believe the problem started because when I ordered Cindy #1 a Jarra, and I permitted them to start a tab at that juncture rather than paying for everything up front. I had them bring a Jarra for Cindy #1, then when Cindy #1 was through, I subsequently ordered a single drink for my "X" girl, which went on the tab as well. There were two different waiters coming to the table during this period, which confused the issue even further.

Now, I suppose that one can always make an error as to whether you paid, especially if you run a tab part of the time, and pay for individual drinks other times, all during the same sitting, and especially if they are double teaming you with two waiters. I was not entirely sure that I got scammed this time, but I highly suspect it based on the evidence. When you're having fun, you just drop your guard sometimes, and we shouldn't.

The reason I believe I was scammed, is that I had only 100 pesos in my pocket when I arrived at Pasarelas, and the rest of the money I had was in two 500 pesos notes, which I had in my false pocket. In trying to determine whether I had paid for some of my drinks and run a tab on others, I was almost sure I recalled having paid for some directly. But, you know how it is, one night's escapades bleeds over into other nights, and you sometimes forget if you are remembering a previous sitting.

I came to the conclusion that I had indeed paid for two drinks because the change, in peso notes, that I had in my pocket, suggested that I broke one of the 500 peso bills that was in my false pocket. When the tab finally came, I only had one 500 peso bill left in my false pocket, and the remaining change that would have been from two individual 110 peso drinks, along with my original 100 peso bill, was in my shirt pocket. Formerly, the only bill I had in my shirt pocket was a 100 pesos note that was there when I arrived.

I concluded that I had used a 500 peso bill to pay for some individual drinks because I only had one 500 peso bill remaining by the time they brought the tab, along with the exact amount of change that would have been given to me had I used one of the 500 peso bills to pay for the two drinks. The tab of course, had all the drinks on there that I had ordered that night, with no accounting that I had already paid for some directly.

I hung around there a long time to straighten out the discrepency, one they never really acknowledged...NO SURPRISE!!! I finally just paid the bill in order to get out of there, and I could see I was getting nowhere in trying to make them see that I had been scammed. I am always very tactful and diplomatic about it, but perhaps, had I been with Carlos, they would have been more accomodating. I just don't want to create problems for myself as a Gringo in a foreign land, so I buckled under and paid. So, it cost me about 220 pesos for that little error in my own judgement.

I informed my regular waiter that in the future, I would not pay nor accept a tab, and that ALL future drink purchased were to be paid for upfront. I don't believe my normal waiter was scamming me at all. I believe it was the other waiter that came and brought the individual drinks. In the future, I may even choose to select my own waiter, the one that I trust(?). I suspect you get taken better care of if you take care of them. Carlos, opinions???

I know this is all ultimately my fault because you should expect to be scammed in a Mexican strip club. So, I should have insisted on paying upfront each and every time. In the future, I will make it a point to do so, certainly in Pasarelas, and wisely in every other bar I frequent. Unless, of course, I decide to run a tab for the entire sitting, and then I also realize that I need to be damn sure that what is tallied on the tab is accurate and not inflated.

Even at clubs where we are well known, such as Obsession and Prestige, when we visit for the lunch buffet and occassionally buy some drinks for the girls, where we almost exclusively run a tab, Carlos frequently finds discrepencies in the amounts tallied, probably six out of ten times. We believe that it is sometimes innocent errors, but certainly, it could also be opportunistic unscrupulous waiters. We should be expecting it.

If you really want to be safe...never run a tab, period. Always pay for everything upfront.

[Doubt98]

I am sure everyone is well aware of this, however, never bring drugs or anything illegal into these clubs. At around 2:30 this morning, no less than 25 heavily-armed federales came into the Tangelay and searched almost half the patrons in the club. Mag-lites, video cameras, 9mm's along with bullet-prooof vests. The girl I was with, Stephanie, had to leave our table and go into the girls room to open her locker and display its contents. The whole fiasco went on for about 15-20 minutes with no arrests.

I'll tell you this, if Wall Street had these guys monitoring the CDO markets, we would not be in the mess that we are currrently in. Did anyone watch that Cramer video yesterday with Erin Burnett? It's about five minutes long and well worth the time.

I watched Cramer have a melt down, thought he was going to cry. It was really funny because I watched it Monday after the market moved up almost 300 points. Sometimes I wonder about him.

[El Cabron 007]

I watched Cramer have a melt down, thought he was going to cry. It was really funny because I watched it Monday after the market moved up almost 300 points. Sometimes I wonder about him.

Who do you really wonder about? A guy who analyzes the hell of this fake economy and is screaming telling us to watch out? He was the guy screaming his lungs off about the one big bubble that lasted a few years. How many investors lost their shirts to the Internet bubble? Didn't 90% of those stocks lose 95% of their value? And how many profited from the poor suckers who bought into those stocks?

No, my good friend. Don't wonder about Cramer. Wonder about those telling that everything is all right.

When the consumer confidence index comes out, it says consumer confidence is high. I am a consumer …. And I am not confident.

Wasted.

[Precocious One]

Who do you really wonder about? A guy who analyzes the hell of this fake economy and is screaming telling us to watch out? He was the guy screaming his lungs off about the one big bubble that lasted a few years. How many investors lost their shirts to the Internet bubble? Didn't 90% of those stocks lose 95% of their value? And how many profited from the poor suckers who bought into those stocks?

No, my good friend. Don't wonder about Cramer. Wonder about those telling that everything is all right.

When the consumer confidence index comes out, it says consumer confidence is high. I am a consumer …. And I am not confident.

Wasted.Well said.

[El Cabron 007]

Well said.

Hey Q. I knew this was going to get your attention. I remember our conversation at el infi with T and S girl both had their legs on mine and .. ok .. back to the subject.

However, you gotta give credit where credit is due. I mean, for someone to be able to fool all those people for so long, they've gotta be damn smart. No?

Some are smart crooks, look at Clinton. I admire that dude. Power to him if at the age of 52 he is running the most powerful country in the world and is getting a blowjob (was is BBBJ?) from a 20 y/o kid.... woohooo.

On the other hand, the current leadership we have .... let's just say I am glad I am not from Texas.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

To lie and to be a crook comes by nature.... you don't have to be smart for that.
Developing that talent beyond the confines of your surroundings... THAT'S when you have to be smart

And Clinton might be coming back as First Man....



Hey Q. I knew this was going to get your attention. I remember our conversation at el infi with T and S girl both had their legs on mine and .. ok .. back to the subject.

However, you gotta give credit where credit is due. I mean, for someone to be able to fool all those people for so long, they've gotta be damn smart. No?

Some are smart crooks, look at Clinton. I admire that dude. Power to him if at the age of 52 he is running the most powerful country in the world and is getting a blowjob (was is BBBJ?) from a 20 y/o kid.... woohooo.

On the other hand, the current leadership we have .... let's just say I am glad I am not from Texas.

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

To lie and to be a crook comes by nature.... you don't have to be smart for that.
Developing that talent beyond the confines of your surroundings... THAT'S when you have to be smart

And Clinton might be coming back as First Man....

What do you mean "And Clinton might be coming back as First Man"? He was always the first man. We all know Hillary always ran the show.

Hillary calls Bill one day from the doctor's office and starts yapping.. “See what you did? You had to have your way with me and you refused to wear a condom. Now I’m pregnant.”

Bill goes: “Who is this?”

[Precocious One]

Hey Q. I knew this was going to get your attention. I remember our conversation at el infi with T and S girl both had their legs on mine and .. ok .. back to the subject.

However, you gotta give credit where credit is due. I mean, for someone to be able to fool all those people for so long, they've gotta be damn smart. No?

Some are smart crooks, look at Clinton. I admire that dude. Power to him if at the age of 52 he is running the most powerful country in the world and is getting a blowjob (was is BBBJ?) from a 20 y/o kid.... woohooo.

On the other hand, the current leadership we have .... let's just say I am glad I am not from Texas.

WastedAs we all know, in a fiat-based system credit, revolving debt and confidence is all it has to offer. Absent one of those factors and the system implodes as we are currently seeing. However this is going to end and whatever is going to happen is currently happening. I am not quaified to give investment advice but T-bills look very good right now and in the near future, people are going to be more concerned with the return of capital as opposed to the return on capital as witnessed by the collapse of the two Bear Stearns hedge funds.

Carlos-

A mighty big difference between La Nacional and Bar International. And what's up with Los Reilos? Gringo beer prices in a Mexican bar in a less than desirable part of town? Two thumbs down.

Speaking of Bar International I have finally got the lowdown. This is a bar where you pay the ladies $1.00 to dance with you. And yes. It is a place for some hookers to unwind as I hung out with a girl that works at that MP/ sports bar last night. I used to go there to relax before embarking on the club scene but this particular girl, although nice, continued to hound me for a massage. Needless to say, I stopped going. Anyway, I still like to patronize Bar International and in no way ever feel threatened. Also, there is a 20-year-old total babe that hangs out there that I am going to score on come hell or high water.

That is unless Wasted beats me to it.

[El Cabron 007]

Q. my friend. I must tell you, again, you are a good man for openly sharing your findings.

I went to a bar once with, i can't recall which one of my girls, and saw Brenda. A so damm hot 18 y/o waiters. I instantly felt up her thigh. Whatever possessed me to do that? I am usually very shy. Yes I am .. Honest. And even if I wasn't shy, how could I have been so forward. But the girl loved it although she pulled away gently. But whenever she came back, she stood close enough and allowed me 'some' ... oh man .. I need a cold shower. I’ll right back.....

Anyways, I asked her to come with me, us, me and the girl or girls, I think I was with both S and P for a group ride. She was so crunchy. 18 and pretty and oh so ... ho do you say .. lusty? is that a word? I could not help myself. She was hotter than X even.

OK Q. We'll go say hello to her together. I'll confirm my next weekend trip and we'll plan something.

Wasted




Speaking of Bar International I have finally got the lowdown. This is a bar where you pay the ladies $1.00 to dance with you. And yes. It is a place for some hookers to unwind as I hung out with a girl that works at that MP/ sports bar last night. I used to go there to relax before embarking on the club scene but this particular girl, although nice, continued to hound me for a massage. Needless to say, I stopped going. Anyway, I still like to patronize Bar International and in no way ever feel threatened. Also, there is a 20-year-old total babe that hangs out there that I am going to score on come hell or high water.

That is unless Wasted beats me to it.

[Zoom 21]

I call lucesazules the rate was $.2 for 1 1/2 hr and I went to their apartment, the girls were old and overweight,(bait & switch) nothing compare with the girls in the web site.

[Precocious One]

Q. my friend. I must tell you, again, you are a good man for openly sharing your findings.

I went to a bar once with, i can't recall which one of my girls, and saw Brenda. A so damm hot 18 y/o waiters. I instantly felt up her thigh. Whatever possessed me to do that? I am usually very shy. Yes I am .. Honest. And even if I wasn't shy, how could I have been so forward. But the girl loved it although she pulled away gently. But whenever she came back, she stood close enough and allowed me 'some' ... oh man .. I need a cold shower. I’ll right back.....

Anyways, I asked her to come with me, us, me and the girl or girls, I think I was with both S and P for a group ride. She was so crunchy. 18 and pretty and oh so ... ho do you say .. lusty? is that a word? I could not help myself. She was hotter than X even.

OK Q. We'll go say hello to her together. I'll confirm my next weekend trip and we'll plan something.

WastedYes. That would be fun. However, since you are only coming in for the weekend and I know your time will be tight, by all means hit it if I can't make it. This 20-year-old starts work at about 10:30 to 11:00 PM. Now, there are a few 7-8's that hang out there on Saturday night. Those are not her. This girl has the face of a ten. It is irrefutable. You will know this girl the minute you see her. Innocent and absolutely beautiful. Stunning. She has one of the most prettiest faces I have ever seen in my two months here. If you do run into her, let me know if you or your girls think she is a puta or ex-puta. Better yet, maybe you crew will be able to take her out of the club. It just seems that she would unequivocally be one of the most sought after girls if she worked at Harem or Pasarelas. As Bar International does not require health cards, maybe this is her only alternative.

[MonterreyDude]

No bait and switch here... that is the MP norm when they advertise on the internet...
They never update the webpage, they just let it be.
Alway expect that... another norm.




I call lucesazules the rate was $.2 for 1 1/2 hr and I went to their apartment, the girls were old and overweight,(bait & switch) nothing compare with the girls in the web site.

[Ken Tucky]

After being in Guadalajara for a couple of days I arrived in MTY yesterday evening. After getting settled I hit the streets about 8:30. I headed toward the infamous Infinito. I stopped at a couple MPs and new strip joints along the way, but did not find anything much. HOWEVER, there is a new club next to Infinito that looked promising: a lot of girls, two big stages and not many guys. At Infinito much was the same as when I was here in January. The place was crowded and the girls were "average. " They had moved the privado area from upstairs, but I moved on. I went to Tangalay and was surprised when I walked in the one of the girls recognized me from when I was there in January. I did not like it that she recognized me. I only bought her a couple of drinks in January and we did some dfk, but no privados, et. Al. You see, I'm not here to make any girlfriends. I like it that there are a thousand chicas within a 5 block area of my hotel. I asked her how she could recognize me when she is with a ton of guys everyday! Ni modo. I hung around for the presentation and did not see anything that caught my attention, so I moved on. I went back to the aforementioned new club next to Infinito. During their presentation I found two, three, four or was it five? Girls who I considered worthy of more attention in the privados. Three of the five were keepers, but the night was young, so I headed towards El Ceilo.

When I walked in to El Ceilo a girl named "Daisy" befriended me immediately. I bought her a drink and we exchanged familiarities. Then she took me to the privados during the presentation and I'm not sure what happened next, but I was a very very happy man. I think I was out 200pesos. We went back to the floor and she asked me about a salida, but I told her "no girls" in my hotel. Again, I'm not here to make any long-term commitments.

I then checked out the "door girls. " I have to admit that I have a weakness for them. I chatted them up a little, but did not see anything that knocked my socks off.

I refueled at a taco stand with some tacos al pastor. It was about 12:30. Then I went to a dance club where there were a lot of girls/women standing around. You could invite them to dance for 10pesos a song. What did I have to lose! That was fun for awhile, but I was getting tired and I could see that I was not going to strike gold, so I headed to towards the hotel.

I could not give the night up without stopping at a skank club near my hotel. There were two girls sitting outside the club who I chatted with a little bit before I went into the club. The club had several girls who were mostly asleep! I hung for a minute, then went back outside and chatted with the girls who were sitting there. They were waiting on the club boss for an interview. Anyways, one thing led to another and they told me they wanted to go home with the gringo for the night! I told them not in my hotel, so we found another hotel. 400 pesos and 2 girls? Deal Baby! OMG. TLN had never been so good!

No matter what happens the rest of the weekend, I'll never forget last night. I'll keep you guys posted.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Ken Tucky]

Well Day 2 in paradise started with a ¨massage. ¨ Not sure the name of the place but I had been there in January and had some success so I checked it out again. It was just as I had remembered. There were about 10 girls at 2pm. Most were acceptable. 3 were really nice. $200 pesos for everything. The room was nice. It had a large bed with huge mirrors everywhere, air conditioning (important this time of year! Most MPs do not have ac), a nice fan, bathroom, and shower. The lady was very sweet and kind. She lay with me afterwards for about 20 minutes just talking. Incredible! So my day was off to a good start!

I then got to meet Carlos Perez. Guys, I cannot tell you how much help this board has been to me. Carlos has been my hero. It was really nice to finally meet one of the ¨characters¨in this ¨drama. ¨ He was nothing as I had imagined. Not the playboy with a gold chain and rings! Ha! He is very mild mannered. He was very generous with me. He spent about an hour with me and I am richer still because of it.

I then went to a restaurant that Carlos told me about, El Gacho. I wanted to see the ¨normal¨ side of town. I had a huge steak and glass of vino (I never drink wine, just beer) then I headed toward the recommended Pasarelas.

The cab got a little lost and I ended up in front of Harem. I checked it out, but it was not going to happen there. It was too small, too many guys and the girls were NOT interested in the gringo. I hung for about 20 minutes then went to Pasarelas! There are two other clubs that are next to Pasarelas with guys/gals out front trying to draw you in, but when that "almost" happened the door from Pasarelas opened and a guy directed me in. Now, Pasarelas is a club where the guys working there "handle" you. I usually do not like this. I knew the lowdown on this club and was ready; however, after only being there for about 2 minutes, two girls came to me and consumed me! They were incredible! Of course, Danny, my "handler, " pushed me to buy them drinks. $110pesos each=$22US for two. And he wanted to know if I wanted to open a tab! Ahaa! "No, I'll just pay as I go. " After that, I do not remember much. These girls were all over me! Must be my weekend for two girls! Anyways, I dismissed one after the first drink, about 20 minutes later. Then I stayed with "Angel" for the next couple of hours. She is a flaca morena who had perfect parts.

Now this is the crazy part. I was "sampling" the "merchandise" and they tasted sweet! Then I noticed something white coming out. Oh my god! She has a five month old baby. I could not tell by her perfect body! Guys, this may be too kinky for you, but it turned me on like crazy! I spent about 2 hours with her. She gave me her phone number. Wow! Never would that happen in the states!

It was late. I was tired, but I was still "high" from the experience and I wanted to roll the dice one more time. The "door girls"! I had one that had been bugging me every time I passed by, so I decided to give her a whirl. 150pesos for everything. What did I have to lose? Well, I lost my $15 bucks. The "room" was made of plywood dividers! There was no ac. And she wanted another 100pesos to remove her clothes. I left! So, day 2 was not as good as day one, but it was 1000 times better than ANYWHERE stateside. The cost for both days was about $300US. Worth every penny!

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[Ken Tucky]

Just an update while my room is being cleaned. The MP I went to yesterday is named Shampoo. I returned there this afternoon and got another girl. In the middle of “everything” she tried to up charge me. Nothing like being in “the moment” and somebody asking for “mas dinero.” I stopped, put my clothes on and left! Not before having a word with the madam at the front desk.

It is a nice place. You just have to have a little luck in choosing the right girl. They have several small rooms. So be sure and ask for the large room. I only paid $200 pesos and find that is the going rate most everywhere for everything. You can tip accordingly. Yesterday I tipped nothing and she never asked. Today I tipped nothing, and she asked. Like there’s not another chica who would be glad to have my money? They are literally everywhere here in MTY!

Like I’ve said, I’m not here to build any long term relationships. When I get ready to “settle down,” I’ll go to the church and find a nice lady. Not a hooker. Besides I’m still young. I figure I won’t get married again until I’m 55-60. I was married for 20 years. I’ve been divorced since 2000. My kids are grown. My life is good. Very good!
I then went to a MP that Carlos recommended to me yesterday. Actually it was one of the three. When I checked them out yesterday, this one seemed to have mostly flaca morenas. The other ones had pretty hefty girls. This one is named Sensations. It is located one street over in front of Infinito. The gorgeous little girl took care of my every need. The room was small. There was no ac, but there was a fan, mirrors, shower, and towel. OMG, is there NO end to this? She was 80 pounds of pure joy! Incredible.

Some other observations:

*It seems most of the girls who I spend time with want to hook up with me later. I’m not sure what this is about. I’m sure it is mostly about money. But, I just will not let them interfere with my fun. One girl wanted to come to my hotel when she got off at 6am! I told her that I would be asleep! I’m just NOT a morning guy. I will not adjust my schedule to them. I will not wait on them. Seems American women think they have the ONLY “puta” in town and want to hold out. They want to make you “work” for it! I definitely will NOT tolerate that attitude here.

*Danny, my “handler” at Pasareles last night wanted me to tip him! I was offended that he stood over me all night and when a drunk came and sat almost right on top of me and the Angel I was with, he would not make him move! Instead, we moved. When I was leaving he pestered me for a tip! He followed me outside and called me some kind of an American in front of several guys! I’m pretty sure it was NOT a compliment. I told him when he grew some tetas, I might tip him! I will NOT tolerate that kind of attitude here either.

*All of this goes to the Americanization of Mexico. These attitudes do NOT need to be encouraged here. What makes Mexico attractive to me is that they do not think or act like Americans. I like the way hookers will sit at a taco stand with regular folks and eat their tacos. This seems to be an accepted part of this culture. I know there is guilt here. I know the Catholic Church peddles a lot of guilt. But it seems to be accepted that we are ALL going to do things that are unacceptable to the Church and we are all going to be forgiven for that. So people do not walk around feeling guilty all the time. This seems to be contrary to the way things are in America. Americans are made to feel guilty on so many levels it is ridiculous: from their credit score, to their weight, to everything Dr. Phil thinks is right or wrong! I do not want that to change here in Mexico.

Ok guys. I’m off to eat some more delicious tacos al pastor and maybe find another chica to play with. I just wanted to share some of my perspectives here. Thanks for reading.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[MonterreyDude]

Please take note:
On day one Ken mentions he didn't like the Infinito.

Inifnito is a fast moving club, faster than little brother Givenchy, which Ken liked better, due principally that the privado quota for the girls at Givenchy is 12 privados, contrary to Infinito where they need 30 privados to get the salary.

When we met on Saturday I took Ken to the place to be: the portal of lust that takes you to the privado area which is now on the opposite side of the club, (Inifinito is using for a while the privados of the old Givenchy).

It is an akward place to stand, but you can see all the hot girls coming and going.
He had a chance to go ga-ga on Dennisse (although Ken like natural boobs), Priscilla, Katya, Bridgit, Amber, Athena (more fake boobs)... but anyway, he had a change of mind.

Some places, like the Infinito, you need a little "pointing the way" to help you out.

About the Pasarelas, he is right. Some clubs really over exagerate the service.
Come to think about it, you should see how they treat Japanese, Chinese and Korean customers.

But anyway, Ken had fun... be it MP's or SC.




Just an update while my room is being cleaned. The MP I went to yesterday is named Shampoo. I returned there this afternoon and got another girl. In the middle of “everything” she tried to up charge me. Nothing like being in “the moment” and somebody asking for “mas dinero.” I stopped, put my clothes on and left! Not before having a word with the madam at the front desk.

It is a nice place. You just have to have a little luck in choosing the right girl. They have several small rooms. So be sure and ask for the large room. I only paid $200 pesos and find that is the going rate most everywhere for everything. You can tip accordingly. Yesterday I tipped nothing and she never asked. Today I tipped nothing, and she asked. Like there’s not another chica who would be glad to have my money? They are literally everywhere here in MTY!

Like I’ve said, I’m not here to build any long term relationships. When I get ready to “settle down,” I’ll go to the church and find a nice lady. Not a hooker. Besides I’m still young. I figure I won’t get married again until I’m 55-60. I was married for 20 years. I’ve been divorced since 2000. My kids are grown. My life is good. Very good!
I then went to a MP that Carlos recommended to me yesterday. Actually it was one of the three. When I checked them out yesterday, this one seemed to have mostly flaca morenas. The other ones had pretty hefty girls. This one is named Sensations. It is located one street over in front of Infinito. The gorgeous little girl took care of my every need. The room was small. There was no ac, but there was a fan, mirrors, shower, and towel. OMG, is there NO end to this? She was 80 pounds of pure joy! Incredible.

Some other observations:

*It seems most of the girls who I spend time with want to hook up with me later. I’m not sure what this is about. I’m sure it is mostly about money. But, I just will not let them interfere with my fun. One girl wanted to come to my hotel when she got off at 6am! I told her that I would be asleep! I’m just NOT a morning guy. I will not adjust my schedule to them. I will not wait on them. Seems American women think they have the ONLY “puta” in town and want to hold out. They want to make you “work” for it! I definitely will NOT tolerate that attitude here.

*Danny, my “handler” at Pasareles last night wanted me to tip him! I was offended that he stood over me all night and when a drunk came and sat almost right on top of me and the Angel I was with, he would not make him move! Instead, we moved. When I was leaving he pestered me for a tip! He followed me outside and called me some kind of an American in front of several guys! I’m pretty sure it was NOT a compliment. I told him when he grew some tetas, I might tip him! I will NOT tolerate that kind of attitude here either.

*All of this goes to the Americanization of Mexico. These attitudes do NOT need to be encouraged here. What makes Mexico attractive to me is that they do not think or act like Americans. I like the way hookers will sit at a taco stand with regular folks and eat their tacos. This seems to be an accepted part of this culture. I know there is guilt here. I know the Catholic Church peddles a lot of guilt. But it seems to be accepted that we are ALL going to do things that are unacceptable to the Church and we are all going to be forgiven for that. So people do not walk around feeling guilty all the time. This seems to be contrary to the way things are in America. Americans are made to feel guilty on so many levels it is ridiculous: from their credit score, to their weight, to everything Dr. Phil thinks is right or wrong! I do not want that to change here in Mexico.

Ok guys. I’m off to eat some more delicious tacos al pastor and maybe find another chica to play with. I just wanted to share some of my perspectives here. Thanks for reading.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[El Cabron 007]

Pasarelas should have a sign on the door that reads:

We cheat tourists and drunks

If any of you live in, or go to, San Francisco, there is an Irish bar, if I recall correctly, called Pat O'Shea's on Geary Street that has that exact words above the entrance. I wonder if it still has it.

(Location conformed – see photos)

We too were overcharged a couple of times. Prestige, our frequent stop, was one. As a matter of fact, last time I was there, Carlos' girlfriend sat with me and alerted me when I got the bill that I was being overcharged for her drinks. The waiter did not bring the printed bill but rather a hand-written summary of the charges. It showed 8 drinks with a 1200 total. That was wrong since drinks are 120 each. When I questioned our long-time faithful waiter, he came back with a different explanation and gave me the "How could you even suspect me?" look. Who was I to argue with that? I paid.

One time they double charged us and explained that it was too late to redo the bill. Even Carlos could not argue and we paid.

Best of all, I used my Visa a couple of times at Prestige and Obsession. I had never ever had any fraud charges on any of my credit cards. However, soon after I used my Visa card there, I had a US $1,400 charge from Spain for some mail order catalog item. The date of transaction was during the time I was in Monterrey.

So yeah, be on the look out. Do what Infinito does; the waiter writes down every drink he serves to the tab on the table in front of me. Some show it to me after every time they add a drink.

If you can, NEVER use your credit card. You should know there is a 10% to 15% surcharge if you pay with a credit card at those clubs.

This is, in no way, putting down Mexico or Monterrey. I love this city and I love the people. But, as always, there are a few rotten apples everywhere we go.

Thank you all for your visit, please come again.

Wasted



About the Pasarelas, he is right. Some clubs really over exagerate the service.
Come to think about it, you should see how they treat Japanese, Chinese and Korean customers.

[Precocious One]

Marc Faber, renowned investor and predictor of the 1987 stock market crash, stated today that the contracting credit boom that started in October 2003 and affected the asset prices of everything including the increased costs of mistresses, is now coming to an end.

He currently makes his home Thailand.

[Ken Tucky]

Just installing my final report on my recent trip to MTY. I am back in Gringo World now and miss Mexico dearly. Hopefully I will make it my home in the next 6 months. I truly love everything about this grand country.

My Sunday ended with a whimper. It started raining on Sunday night, which needless to say, put a damper on everything. I did manage another MP encounter with the prettiest lady I had been with all weekend. She was incredibly pretty and a girlfriend like experience. It was at an MP a block behind Infinito. It has a yellow facade. I'm not sure of the name. It did cost me....600pesos! Ouch! She wanted to go to dinner with me when she got off at 8. She told me to meet her there. Of course, I did not oblige. I had other fish to fry.

I was at El Cielo at 9. I don't know, but it seemed to me that several of the girls at El Cielo preferred other girls, if you know what I mean. I just do not like to see that at a "Men's Club." That is very prevalent in the states. In fact, it is not rare to see women in Men's Clubs working the girls! I just leave at that point. So, I left and headed toward Infinito where I had a date at 10:30. Carlos is right, one needs to have a tour guide at Infinito to show him the ropes. Ahhh, I miss Mexico!

It was now after midnight and I had to make one more stop. It was a dark little dive. Tiny little place. They had a "special:" three songs 100pesos in privados. OMG! I didn't think I had anything left! That was all guys! 100pesos is all I paid for my last pop in Mexico! Incredible!

I just couldn't go back to the hotel. I ended up at the dance hall where you pay the girl a dollar a song to dance with you. I picked out the prettiest girl there and spent my last hour dancing in her arms. I wish I had a song to sing here, but I think you get the message. There is no place in the world like Monterrey, Mexico!

No one could believe a place like this exists. I hope the Americanization of Mexico doesn't bring this world to an end. It really seems like this is the way the world should be. Everyone doing their thing. No one getting hurt. I mean, some people gamble; others drink or smoke. I hope that we will become a more open world instead of fear mongers who believe they know what's right for everyone. Viva Mexico!

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[Ken Tucky]

Back for 24 hours and I'm completely bored so I'll post something about MTY that I encountered that has little to do with the girls. It is about the taxis! You have to watch these guys like a hawk! On my way to the resturaunt Saturday night the cab cost me $130pesos. My trip back only cost 70! One cab driver exchange my 50peso not for a 20! Most would not use their meter unless you made them! Just filing this under the category of "We cheat tourists and drunks!"

[El Cabron 007]

Monterrey withdrawals, ha? I usually plan my next trip within 2 days of getting home.

On my 1st day in Monterrey (I love spelling out the city name instead of MTY), Carlos' words to me about taxis were "You can get anywhere for 20 pesos".

Well, except for that one time when I was really wasted, I took out a 20 and handed it to the driver when we reached the hotel, S girl tells me that I gave him 200, not 20. Shoot. I checked and sure enough I still had the 20 in my pocket. I guess there was one happy taxi driver in the city that night. No. He did not stop to tell me I over paid him. Why should he? I am a tourist, right?

Most of the rides in the immediate area never go over 20 pesos. On the other hand, night rides, like after midnight, run without meter and they seem to all ask for 40 pesos.

Now there are other things you can get from those taxi drivers. I have phone numbers for a couple of them that I call when I need something in the late hours like if a girl get sudden craving for a hamburger or, in the old days, when my dreadful x-girlfriend needed her stomach pumped because of her stupid nasty habit that she claimed she kicked .. yeah right.

Enjoy, have fun and be safe.

Wasted




Back for 24 hours and I'm completely bored so I'll post something about MTY that I encountered that has little to do with the girls. It is about the taxis! You have to watch these guys like a hawk! On my way to the resturaunt Saturday night the cab cost me $130pesos. My trip back only cost 70! One cab driver exchange my 50peso not for a 20! Most would not use their meter unless you made them! Just filing this under the category of "We cheat tourists and drunks!"

[Ken Tucky]

Hmmm. Can't believe no one has anything to say for almost a week! I still cannot wipe the smile off my face after my adventures in Monterrey last week. Thanks everybody for the "attaboys!"

I have one more observation that I would like to make. A couple of the girls I was with last week were willing to do anal. Especially the "prettiest girl" at the MP. I have "assumed" the girls are pretty conservative, but maybe that's because I was too much of a gentleman? Is that a general practice? Or did I just find a couple of "liberals?"

[El Cabron 007]

You lucky son of a fish. Well, did you take'em up on it?


Hmmm. Can't believe no one has anything to say for almost a week! I still cannot wipe the smile off my face after my adventures in Monterrey last week. Thanks everybody for the "attaboys!"

I have one more observation that I would like to make. A couple of the girls I was with last week were willing to do anal. Especially the "prettiest girl" at the MP. I have "assumed" the girls are pretty conservative, but maybe that's because I was too much of a gentleman? Is that a general practice? Or did I just find a couple of "liberals?"

[Ken Tucky]

I may be a gentleman, but I am definately NOT conservative! So? This is NOT the standard procedure?


You lucky son of a fish. Well, did you take'em up on it?

[MonterreyDude]

Come on Ken... please. Conservative no... ignorant and unexperienced, yes.
You are dealing with amateurs, not pros.

I usually don't post my own sex cavalcades, but back in the 80's, almost all the girls working at *****houses (*****houses ruled in Monterrey till the mid 90's) would do anal and... eat your heart out, no condom.

It's the girls, they don't care to expand their sex knowldage nor they care fully about customer satisfaction....




Hmmm. Can't believe no one has anything to say for almost a week! I still cannot wipe the smile off my face after my adventures in Monterrey last week. Thanks everybody for the "attaboys!"

I have one more observation that I would like to make. A couple of the girls I was with last week were willing to do anal. Especially the "prettiest girl" at the MP. I have "assumed" the girls are pretty conservative, but maybe that's because I was too much of a gentleman? Is that a general practice? Or did I just find a couple of "liberals?"